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Title: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Scots Hoops Fan on March 14, 2005, 09:32:28 AM
Toph, the rips on the NCAC are getting tired, that's all.  I don't remember anyone claiming that the NCAC was a great conference because they have 2 very good teams.  The fact that the NCAC may not be a great conference still does not diminish the fact that Wooster and Wittenberg run outsanding programs.  After all, they are 1st and 2nd (Wooster is now tied with IWU) in all-time wins in DIII and the vast majority of those wins came before the NCAC was in exhistence.  

Bottom line is this.  First, I don't know where you came across anyone that would claim the NCAC is a great conference because of 2 good teams.  That's humorous right there.  Secondly, the NCAC seems to be making strides in becoming more competitive.  Just looking at the All-NCAC teams will tell you that.  There were only 4 seniors that made the All-conference teams.  There were no seniors on the 1st team, 3 seniors on the 2nd team and only 1 senior making honorable mention.  That tells me that there are a lot of good players that will be back next year to make the NCAC even more competitive.  Will it be OAC competitive?  Of course not and there aren't many conferences in the country that could say that.  But, compared to what the NCAC has been like, I'll take any improvement over none at all!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 10:13:33 AM
SHF-
I was merely making a point, I wasn't trying to disprove a claim from a poster from the NCAC.  I used the NCAC as an example that two teams don't make a great conference  (Read andrew tyrese's post, if you can and you'll understand what I was trying to say).  It wasn't an insult on my part.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on March 14, 2005, 10:24:53 AM
Johnny C,

Even though you appear to be headed in the proper direction in life by going to the fine institution that is John Carroll University, you need to be set straight.  

OldKnight and Realist are right - Mike Turner of Albion is one of the good guys. Yes, Albion's gym is on the small side, but the people there are top notch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 05:03:40 PM
If anyone would like an MP3 of the last 20 minutes of the WJCU broadcast for Albion and JCU let me know, I can email it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnycarroll on March 14, 2005, 05:23:23 PM
When did I ever rip on the people of Albion? I only ripped the timekeeper and the officials for letting him get away with adding an unnecessary .7 seconds onto the clock. And, well, I think I'm heading into the direction of going to Syracuse. I just got my acceptance letter on Saturday and am striving to be a broadcaster. Toph, any tips? :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2005, 06:46:44 PM
Toph,

I would like it, please. We can definitely find use for it.

info@d3hoops.com

Also if you have a highlight or two from the early-round games, I believe we would be able to find a place for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 07:23:32 PM
Johhny C-
Learn the names, do plenty of research, you'll do fine.  If you listen to my broadcasts you'll find plenty of faults (I say the word "unbelieveable" about 7 or 8 times in 20 minutes of that clip for example), so don't use me, I'm still refining my work.

Pat-  
email forthcoming.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2005, 07:49:29 PM
Thanks, man.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 14, 2005, 07:53:47 PM
JF-
I was born in Napoleon.  How long have you lived there?

Pat-
I assume that means you got the email, I wasn't sure if it was sent, I ran out of space in my box, so I wasn't sure if it went through.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2005, 07:56:39 PM
Yeah, I got it. I don't know how it got through at 7.8 MB but it arrived!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on March 15, 2005, 09:14:13 AM
Toph,

Aside from the 4 years of college, I've lived in Napoleon my whole life. I am a 1995 alumnus of JCU and was a basketball manager during the early years of the Mike Moran regime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: John Rusnak on March 15, 2005, 11:13:45 AM
Toph, I want it!

Pat, if that version doesn't have the clip you want, Albion said they could get me one as well, so let me know how that comes out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 15, 2005, 12:28:57 PM
JF-
You wouldn't happen to remember the birth of the Condit triplets in 1983 would you?

JR-
I'll send you the smaller version that Pat edited down for me if that's alright with you.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2005, 12:43:13 PM
JR, Toph, I got the call from both sides. We'll have a use for both.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on March 15, 2005, 02:07:31 PM
Toph,

You were one of those?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 15, 2005, 03:38:43 PM
I am one of the three, yes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 16, 2005, 08:15:34 AM
Congrats to the Davis bros, Brandon Mimes, and Zach Ross on making the all region team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on March 17, 2005, 11:04:42 AM
I dont know if many are still reading, but I was wondering if anyone had any information on Brian Ingleright, former Avon Lake star, and JCU player, I believe, in 2002-2003.  Did he transfer and play somewhere else, or just stop playing at the collegiate level?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 18, 2005, 12:49:34 PM
Crazy Carl-
Ingleright transferred out of John Carroll, I don't know where he ended up.  It was pretty clear that he wasn't going to fit in with Moran's system.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Crazy Carl on March 18, 2005, 12:58:39 PM
I see.  I am not really familiar with Moran's system (i assume he is the JCU coach?).  I played against Brian in high school, but then played D3 in Minnesota, so I sort of lost track of the Ohio college hoop scene.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 18, 2005, 01:14:02 PM
Carl-
Moran (yes, the JCU coach) uses a platoon system substituting 5 in and 5 out about every 7 possesions.  If the team is struggling he will ditch the system in favor of matchups late in the first, early in the second.  From my understanding Ingleright did not want to be a part of that system.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 19, 2005, 10:25:40 PM
The JCU pep band played at all of the games in Salem this weekend and was as good as advertised.  It was very cool of them to come down and play, even though the team didn't make it, and they were much appreciated by all here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: goodknight on March 21, 2005, 10:17:21 AM
That's a pep band worthy of a national championship tournament!  Great band, great leader, great tunes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on March 24, 2005, 06:30:32 PM
I would like to congratulate Thad Davis on a great season, and on being the only Ohio player to be named an All American. Representing the OAC well
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCU Drummer on March 24, 2005, 10:15:55 PM
Goodknight: Thanks for the compliment, and I will pass this on to the rest of the band.  Too bad I wasn't able to make it down to Salem.  Here's hoping for next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on April 06, 2005, 05:14:06 PM
Any thoughts about Muskingum's new coaching hire?  I feel that the OAC may see a totally new style coming out of New Concord.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 06, 2005, 06:43:38 PM
Ford was a heck of a player (Mr. Basketball '93, All-MAC as a senior if I'm not mistaken) and has had sucess as a head coach and asst coach, good hire.  As for the "new style" I'm not so sure.  It's not like Muskingum had a terrible year last year, and why fix it if it ain't broke?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on April 06, 2005, 08:54:02 PM
With 2 losses and an OT win vs the Muskies maybe the Streaks should be looking at a totally new style?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 06, 2005, 10:10:39 PM
JDean-
Eh, the Sweet Sixteen ain't that bad is it?

Here's a question I'd like to pose:  Even though the PAC now has enough teams to warrant an automatic bid does their level of competition?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2005, 10:39:03 PM
They wouldn't be the worst conference to get an AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 06, 2005, 11:27:50 PM
I don't doubt that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on April 07, 2005, 02:38:45 PM
Toph:
My point being do you think that Geno Ford will continue to run the princeton style offense.  Coach Burson had recruited players that would fit into his system and if Ford is going to change from the princeton, I am wondering how smooth of a transition a change will be?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 07, 2005, 03:22:05 PM
Ah, that is a good question.  We'll have to wait and see I suppose.  If it's worth anything, Kent State does not run the Princeton offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 11, 2005, 05:49:07 PM
The local paper printed the names of 4 recruits who will be attending Mount this coming year. Hershal Collins from Chippewa HS, Adam Gerber from Massillon Washington HS, Laraedo Gray from Kent Roosevelt HS and Kyle Miller from RB Hayes HS in Delaware County. The article didn't say this but I believe they're all seven footers who chose Mount over Ohio State.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on July 13, 2005, 01:20:59 PM
I'm sure they all had low test scores to boot...right?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 16, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
They all passed the urine test.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 20, 2005, 09:57:56 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, jdean...even if it is month's later.  Laredo Gray hails from my fine alma mater and I can tell you he's no seven footer ;).

I'm merely posting this because I've started working out the basketball schedules this morning and I'm starting to get excited.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on October 22, 2005, 02:53:48 PM
Toph-

I am starting to get excited about JCU basketball!  I am tempted to head down to Cinci for the preseason tourny.  Can you answer to questions:  1.  I have read rumors that Brandon Mimes has transferred??  Any truth?  2.  Did we get any solid recruits this year?  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 22, 2005, 08:58:31 PM
fishermamba-
I can answer one of those questions for certain.  Brandon Mimes did not transfer.  He is enrolled at JCU.  As for the recruits, I have been focussed on football so I haven't had a chance to talk to Coach Moran or see any open gyms yet.  I do know that they have a player (whose name escapes me) who was ineligable for the past two seasons and will be in action this year.  He's supposed to make a big splash.  I've heard rumors of a tall, big freshman, but can't confirm them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on October 22, 2005, 09:39:14 PM
Toph-

Thanks for the confirmation about Mimes!  Definately good news.  Any idea when they will have the Mens Roster link active or the prospectus?  not sure how close you work with the SID.  Thanks and I look forward to your insight this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 23, 2005, 12:37:51 PM
I don't know when he'll get that posted.  Sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on October 24, 2005, 02:55:30 PM
Toph-  I am now offically nervous!  The roster is now posted on the JCU website and Mimes isnt listed!  Not a good sign.......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 24, 2005, 06:13:31 PM
I said he was enrolled, I didn't say he was going to play.  That was intentional.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on October 25, 2005, 09:25:19 PM
That tall, big freshman is a woman that Mount wouldn't take because she never shaves.
Seriously, and I can be every once in awhile, I'm happy to hear Mimes is in school. Maybe a year away from the game will bring him back.
Good luck this season and don't beat Mount 70-0.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 26, 2005, 11:54:13 AM
jdean-
My only hope is that if the basketball team enjoys the type of success the football team is currently having, there will be no doubt of whether or not they make the playoffs!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 27, 2005, 06:12:05 PM
I just thought it was worth noting the that Streaks are ranked 16 in the first d3hoops.com poll.  It will be interesting to see how this season shakes out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 05, 2005, 10:02:03 AM
I just thought it was worth noting that MUC was unranked in the first D3 poll. I'm confident as the season
plays out that Mount will prove the brilliance of those who chose not to vote for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 06, 2005, 10:35:30 AM
Just noticed that JCU has Cleveland State University on its bball schedule??  Any ideas why this was scheduled?  Probably planned when Mimes was going to be playing.  DI vs DIII not usually a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 07, 2005, 12:01:19 PM
fishermamba-
I don't know why it was scheduled.  It will be an exciting time for the program and the fans however, to see if the Streaks can make a game of it, or even win.  Also, I would ask you to not attach so much importance to Brandon Mimes.  John Franks is back, Derrick Smith is supposed to be a player, and there are some good young freshmen from what I'm hearing.  The Streaks have always been team first, and they will compete for the OAC title again this year, without Mimes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 08, 2005, 08:25:06 PM
My only point in mentioning Mimes is he was their best player last year and would continue to be a force.  A agree it has always been team first under Moran but you cant discount the impact of Mimes or any other starter from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 09, 2005, 12:08:09 AM
fish-
I agree that Mimes was (and will be) a force in the OAC and nationally.  I'm not attempting to discount what he brought to the team.  However, to make the argument that this game with CSU was scheduled because of Mimes' presence on the team is a bit of a stretch (I think).  Do you understand what I'm saying?

jdean-
I missed your post from a few days back.  Already down on this year's team?  That certainly didn't take long. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 09, 2005, 08:05:40 PM
Just for clarification, I didnt mean the game was scheduled because Mimes was playing (in fact athletic schedules are are planned years in advance).  My arguement was that it would have been interesting to see him play against D1 players.  I am still excited to see the team play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 10, 2005, 09:39:49 PM
My prediction for the biggest surprise of the upcoming season in the OAC:
The BW at JCU game is scheduled during winter break.  Awful, awful scheduling.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 14, 2005, 07:17:46 PM
Emory and Henry fan here...Just wondering if anyone could give me some background on John Carroll's team this year.  Heard they lost some key guys from last year.  Hope it is a great opener for both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2005, 02:50:47 AM
Quote from: fishermba on November 09, 2005, 08:05:40 PM
Just for clarification, I didnt mean the game was scheduled because Mimes was playing (in fact athletic schedules are are planned years in advance).

That's not typically true of basketball. Football, sure. Basketball, no, and especially not a game with a Division I team. Those are often the last games to come together.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 15, 2005, 12:01:05 PM
ODAC Fan-
Sorry, haven't checked the board in awhile.  Here's what I can tell you about Carroll:
1.  They lost three players from last season, but they were three key players.  Peter Koch (G), Drew Salata (F/C), and Mike Grogan (G).
2.  They will be without (in case you haven't read anything above) Brandon Mimes (F/C) but return Kyle Roggenburk, Derek Smith (who was inelligable for his first two seasons), and Jon Franks returns from the Final Four team with one final year of eligability. 
3.  The guard play looks to be pretty strong once again, Pete Moran, Chris Day, and John Curran are all back from last year.  Kevin Pap, who never saw much varsity time before, looks like he is going to join the team after soccer season.
4.  The small fowards look good as well, Joe Kimener and Demetrius Travis return, Travis had a breakout year last year (teams were leaving him open, he would nail the midrange jumpers, he's also a pretty good defender).
5.  I don't know if you've ever seen JCU before or not but they use the platoon system, subbing five in and five out about every 7 posessions, unless the game gets close and Moran feels better going with matchups.

Is that a good enough quick preview? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 15, 2005, 02:37:51 PM
Thanks for the preview of JCU.  It was very insightful.  I know that they are a top the OAC every year, so this is huge test for a much improved Emory and Henry team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2005, 05:54:39 PM
John Carroll isn't atop the OAC every year, ODACfan1. While they have won outright or shared the last three OAC titles, keep in mind that two different schools from this conference were in the NCAA Final Four the two years before that: Ohio Northern in 2001, and Otterbein in 2002 (the eventual national champion). Plus, John Carroll didn't win the OAC postseason tournament last year; Baldwin-Wallace won it.

Don't get me wrong; John Carroll is a national power and one of the OAC's strongest programs. But they aren't atop the league every year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 15, 2005, 07:04:44 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me...I apologize for the mistake, as I am not too familiar with your conference.  How do you see the conference shaping up this season.  I remember seeing a strong Otterbein team last season, but I believe they lost a lot as well.  Who wins the OAC this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 15, 2005, 08:24:40 PM
It's too early (I think) to make a prediction, although it warrants mentioning that JCU was voted to finish first in both the coaches and media polls.  That being said, however, you really never know. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACfan1 on November 15, 2005, 09:10:15 PM
Did voters pick JMU thinking that the Mimes kid would be there.  How good was he?  Is he leaving a significant hole in that lineup?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 15, 2005, 10:04:26 PM
The polls were released on November 2.  The word that Mimes was out came in September.  Whether or not everyone knew was a different story.  Mimes is a dominant player.  Long, lean, athletic, and able to change the game with one thunderous slam.  However, as my preview for you stated, there are players to take his place.  JCU and its fans can't worry about what might have been if Mimes was playing, to take a quote slightly out of context:  "My team is on the floor."
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 15, 2005, 11:46:45 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 15, 2005, 10:04:26 PM
...to take a quote slightly out of context:  "My team is on the floor."

My team is still on the football field and the longer they play the less bball games I'll have to suffer thru. Other than Karpinski this will be a rebuilding (or should I say building?)year. I'll repeat my earlier plea Toph--don't beat us 70-0.
You can rub it in as much as you want---just let us make one free throw, one bunny. Mercy, mercy!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:29:05 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:29:35 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 18, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
The survivor pool overflowed thanks to the second posting. No one survived.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 19, 2005, 09:00:40 AM
Good news and bad. The good news is MUC only has one home game in 2005. The better news is its Capital--and we all know only the women can play basketball at Cap.
The bad news is Mount lost their first backup big man for 6-8 wks due to injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 19, 2005, 06:43:10 PM
The good news is that JCU won 137-127 over E&H and made it to the line68 times.  The bad news is that they made 37 of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 19, 2005, 10:42:14 PM
It looks like MUC won their opening game against St Lawrence 89-79. Tommorow they play Penn State-Behrend.
That must have been a great game to call, Toph! How many free attempts did E & H have? The refs could have set some kind of record with their whistles.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 20, 2005, 12:15:34 PM
jdean-
WJCU's coverage for basketball has not begun yet, so unfortunately I missed that one.  I was only looking at the box score.  E&H had 44 FT attempts.  Carroll won again on Saturday 73-72 over Mt. St. Joeseph (tough weekend for them, huh?). 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on November 20, 2005, 07:26:40 PM
Toph-

I decided to drive down to Mount St Joseph after the OSU v Mich game to watch the JCU final.  From prior post it seems like you werent able to see the game so I cant get your perspective but here is what I witnessessed:  This years team is definately weaker than the last few years.  They were having trouble with the full court press and if it wasnt for several Curran 3 pointers they would have been in trouble.  Very little if any inside game.  Derek Smith seems to be very 'rigid' in his movements and doesnt look smooth or natural on the floor.  He was put on the free throw line several times and missed a majority of them.  The rosters at the tourney didnt list any Freshman on the roster for JCU so not sure whats up.  From reading the stat sheet on the JCU website it looks like a freshman (Thomas Duncan) had a good game during the high scoring first game but then he never saw action in the second game.  During the game they subbed in player #15 who they identified as Tony DeM. but than when I look at the stat sheet on JCU website it says he only played in the first game??  Not sure if my game day thoughts are along the same page as you but it will be an interesting year.  The game versus Cleveland State could be a sad sad affair.  Anybody else see the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 20, 2005, 11:04:47 PM
Fishermba:
Nothing, nothing would look good after watching OSU chew and spit out the team from up north. Wait til the OAC games begin and I bet they'll be ready.

Mount took it on the chin 73-62 with a freshman guard as leading scorer for Mount. Maybe they will be decent by
the 2nd half of the OAC schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 21, 2005, 11:51:34 AM
Fish-
I was not at the game, you are correct.  However, I think you are being a bit rushed in your judgement of this year's team.  To say that this team is "definitely weaker" than last year's team after just two games is ridiculous!  It's a long season, the new guys need time to get comfortable (and Franks needs time to get comfortable as well).  As for the lack of the inside game, I saw that Carroll was dominated on the glass, and that is a problem that needs to be remedied.  Smith only played 9 minutes, Franks and Roggenburk struggled.  Let's not get hasty in assessing the team, however.  They are 2-0 after their first two games, and a win is a win is a win, right?

And jdean-
Remember, this is a "(re)building" year, and you still have football playoffs to be excited about.  I think I'm going to make the trip to Alliance this Saturday to catch the Mount/Augie game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 22, 2005, 12:18:09 AM
Just testing
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 22, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 21, 2005, 11:51:34 AM
  I think I'm going to make the trip to Alliance this Saturday to catch the Mount/Augie game.

You picked a good one if, and that is a BIG IF, you like to watch 3 yds and a cloud of rubber pellets. I suggest you get a seat on the covered side as it doesn't look like those of us on the open side will be too comfortable.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 27, 2005, 08:32:30 AM
The football guys keep winning and the basketball guys don't. Mount lost to OH Wesl by about a half dozen with Karpinski getting about 1/2 Mount's points. "Rebuilding" Mount B-ball is kind of like rebuilding the Indians or the current version of the Browns--its ongoing and never totally successful.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 27, 2005, 08:45:16 AM
John Carroll came to town and I finally got to see them last night against Washington and Lee. I couldn't have been more disappointed. I had heard they played dirtyand didn't think much of it. Then I saw their game and it is a sad example of hoops - push, shove, reach, grab, bump. It was ugly. Topped off by a classless coach. He lectured the refs for a full 3 minutes at the end of the 1st half; ran up the score and had his players popping 3's with 2 minutes to go and they're up 30. The ref's were so intimidated it was a joke. They must have called 30 fouls on W&L and only 20 on JC. They could've whistled JC every posssesion that W&L had. The Jesuits should be ashamed of that type of team. I'm not saying W&L would have won. This just represetative of a basketball game. It was some sort of scrum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 27, 2005, 12:45:36 PM
baseline-
Every year people complain about Carroll's style of play.  To call Carroll's physical play a "sad example of hoops" is ridiculous.  Most of the OAC plays a similar style to Carroll defensively.  I can guarantee one thing, weren't intimidated by "classless" Mike Moran.  Why, exactly, would they be intimidated?  What could Moran possibly do to them?  You were right, they did call more fouls on W&L (33-22, one being a technical on W&L), but those are the breaks.  I also noticed that every single player on the Carroll roster got playing time.  If W&L can't stop third stringers, how is that any fault of JCU's coaching staff or players?  They also couldn't have popped as many threes near the end of the game as you suggest, because they only attempted nine all game.  The bottom line is this:  It is no surprise that a nationally ranked team defeated a winless team (who turned the ball over 31 times) by 30.  If you think the Jesuits should be ashamed of Carroll's style of basketball, talk to former University President Edward Glynn, S.J., who attended every home game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ur2004 on November 27, 2005, 07:43:10 PM
baselinejam, I wouldn't worry about Carroll's style of play if I were you...they learned a lesson about physical play today - Rochester took them to school, killed them on the boards and flat-out dominated them. 

I noticed two technicals in a row on Carroll too, when they were down 35 or so.  And they got pounded by Rochester's bench players too....  basically all the stuff you were complaining about with W&L, Carroll got to experience it too.  So maybe that'll calm them down.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 27, 2005, 08:07:24 PM
The final was 91-61 for those keeping score at home.  It's surprising to see JCU lose by as many as they did, but I expected them to drop one over the weekend.  Congrats to Rochester, it seems (from the box score, since I wasn't there) that they played an excellent game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 28, 2005, 10:15:07 AM
Forgot to mention the full court press when you're up 30 with 3 to go. Sorry but in my book that's classless. I've coached plenty of CYO & AAU hoops and I knew when to call the dogs off.  Multiple fouls could have been called on JCU on every WandL posession. I've seen enough college hoops over the past 33 years to know a hose job when I see one. If that's the OAC's style then my I feel sorry for you - when do you ever get a chance to see real hoops?

The only thing I respect about JC was their energy level. Whatever he's doing to stoke those kids is impressive.

I saw the UR -JCU game and the outcome was very predictable. UR was more mature and talented and JCU's only hope was to even rev up their frantic style a little more. Obviously it didn't work. They got smoked by a real program and JCU's gimick style was useless.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 28, 2005, 10:57:18 AM
QuoteI saw the UR -JCU game and the outcome was very predictable. UR was more mature and talented and JCU's only hope was to even rev up their frantic style a little more. Obviously it didn't work. They got smoked by a real program and JCU's gimick style was useless.
baseline,

I'm not a huge fan of JCU's style of play either and I can't believe I'm actually defending them.  But I will say, you can't really call it a useless gimick style.  Their record over the past few seasons speaks for itself.  You don't make it to Salem playing a gimick style.  They lost a lot of talent from last season, and its going to take some time to get the new kids to get used to the system JCU runs. 

I'm sorry your team got beat so badly, but I'm not a believer in telling kids not to play.  Toph said that 3rd stringers were in at the end of the game.  These kids don't get much action, so when they do, you expect them to just lay over?  They are putting in just as much time as the starters, so when they finally get a chance to play, I would expect them to play as hard they they can.  Is it JCU's 3rd stringers' fault that your team can't stop them?  Sorry, but I just don't agree with you on JCU being "classless" for letting their bench players play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on November 28, 2005, 11:32:49 AM
I've seen JCU play once, against Wooster, and that was enough for me to form my opinion.  In my eyes, they were as dirty a team as any I'd ever seen.  Obviously, I'm not alone in my feelings.

Their game plan is simple.  To hack, hold, push, shove, and elbow so much that most refereeing crews either can't see it all or finally just look the other way in the interests of keeping the game moving.  If the refs had had any guts, they'd have called 100 fouls against JCU in the game that I saw.

I've seen other OAC teams play (BW, Mount, Ohio Northern, Capital) and none of them (with the exception of a couple of thug bodybuilders on Capital a few years ago) use those dirty tactics.  It's JCU's style, obviously with a coach that condones it, and I say it's pathetic.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 28, 2005, 11:41:27 AM
baseline-
I hate to break it to you, but JCU is a "real program."  How's this for a resume:
Seven playoff appearances since 1996
Elite Eight in 1998 and 1999
Final Four in 2003
OAC regular season championships in 1994, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2005
OAC tournament championships in 2003 and 2004
Six 20 win seasons in 10 years
73-19 in the last three seasons, including 37-4 at home  (from jcu.edu)

What, exactly, does Carroll need to do to become a "real program?"  The only thing they haven't accomplished is winning a national title.

While Washington & Lee has a very rich history, my very quick research seems to turn up very little after around 1980.  Perhaps you can tell me of anything the program has done in the last 25 years.  

As ScotsFan (surprisingly) said, you don't have that kind of success using a "gimmick" style.  

By the way, Carroll rarely calls off the press.  As for multiple fouls that could have been called every time down the floor, I have two responses:  1.  When isn't that the case?  2.  Nothing is more irritating then blaming officials for a loss.  Referees make calls, players make plays.  Since W&L was picked to finish 10th in the leauge, I think it's safe to assume not many people believe that the Generals have the players to make those plays.  I'm sorry you have such a bitter taste in your mouth about JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 28, 2005, 11:43:07 AM
WoosterBooster-
I would've figured that you would've choked on those sour grapes by now.  Your team lost two years back, let it go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 28, 2005, 12:06:08 PM
Toph- I never said W&L would have won. The refs let JCU get away with murder. They never set the tempo. They seemed very good a blowing the whistle on W&L and virtually every call on W&L, was legitimate. They just didn't seem to inclined to do the same regarding JCU and they were most definitely the more aggressive team. In my humble opinion they out fouled W&L and the only persons closer to the court than me were in uniform - I had a great view. In a perfectly called game I think W&L would have lost by 7-10 points. I like refs that dictate early, that they will observe the rules. This got out of hand. The players played the way that the refs let them.

As far as the constant press goes - Nolan Richardson did it right at Arkansas and Bob Hurley at St. Anthony's is more like JCU (ugly and unforgiving). Like I said about 'class". Teach your atheltes a little about sportmanship. Read a little Deano.

I call'em the way I see'em. If I don't see it I can't make the call. JCU's style was thug/punkish. Not a very pleasant style to observe especially when the ref's are myoptic.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on November 28, 2005, 01:47:59 PM
QuoteI would've figured that you would've choked on those sour grapes by now.  Your team lost two years back, let it go.

You can call it what you will, but I'm calling it like I saw it.  And like baselinejam, I had a great seat.

Apparently JCU hasn't changed either their bullying style or on-court demeanour in two years, and Wooster fans are obviously not the only ones that are seeing that.  If the sneaker fits, wear it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 28, 2005, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 27, 2005, 12:45:36 PM
If you think the Jesuits should be ashamed of Carroll's style of basketball, talk to former University President Edward Glynn, S.J., who attended every home game. 

Happily - thanks for the lead.

A better lead would be the current president - I'll get in touch with him.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 28, 2005, 03:17:52 PM
That would be Fr. Bob Niehoff, inducted a few months back.  He's very busy now, so it may take some time to respond.  Out of curiosity, what would you tell him?  That JCU's very successful men's basketball team is lead by a coach who is not often fond of referees, and makes it clear to them (not a secret, by any stretch of the imagination), and that the team's defensive style is too aggressive? 

On a serious note, I find it tough to believe that the #10 team in the ODAC would routinely be within 7-10 points of any top tier team in the nation.  Perhaps you can offer a little more insight into that claim.

jdean-
If and when your football season ends, just keep repeating "Only _____ more months 'til kickoff."  Remember that Mount usually plays JCU pretty tough, so 70-0 is unlikely.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 28, 2005, 07:57:01 PM
I don't know if Toph or any other JCU fans could respond, but apparantly the printed version of the JCU Basketball schedule has John Carroll misspelled on it.  I haven't seen it so I have no idea how they misspelled it.  But, not to worry, Mike Trivisonno let everyone in Northeast Ohio and Southern Canada know about the minor goof this afternoon on his radio show! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 29, 2005, 02:09:53 PM
SF-
Although I missed the show, I heard about the mistake from a few friends.  Unfortunately, I have not seen a hard copy of the b-ball schedule yet, so I can't tell you how it was spelled.  I do know that for whatever reason spelling John Carroll correctly is apparently harder than astrophysics.  In my 3 and 1/2 years at the school I've seen it spelled the following ways:
John Carroll
John Caroll
John Carrol
John Carol
Jon  (all of the various Carroll spellings).


I hope that the error falls on the printer, not on the school (a school should be able to spell it's own name, right?)...I'll see if I can get a copy of the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 29, 2005, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 29, 2005, 02:09:53 PM
I hope that the error falls on the printer, not on the school (a school should be able to spell it's own name, right?)...I'll see if I can get a copy of the schedule.
Yeah, that would be my thoughts as well. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 29, 2005, 10:26:30 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 29, 2005, 02:09:53 PM

I hope that the error falls on the printer, not on the school (a school should be able to spell it's own name, right?)...I'll see if I can get a copy of the schedule.

The Democrats are blaming the error on Karl Rove. The Republicans are blaming the Hollywood liberal elitists. The OAC commissioner is calling for an investigation. Mount Union's football team was heard to say in unison "they can't spell any better than they play."

Not one who usually goes to the defense of JCU (after 70-0 ...
,OK he's had enough of that) I'm amused by the criticism of their style of play. As if there is only one way to play the game? They aren't thugs--I've seen and played thugs and they aren't close. Aggressive yes. If you're used to watching women's basketball or ballet I guess JCU's style would rub you the wrong way.
If you've seen their coach several times you'd appreciate his academy nominated performances with the refs. When they'd come to Alliance I'd sit in the stands and wait for his first disagreement with a call. If you have a sense of humor like mine his tantrums are really fun to watch. Effective? I don't think so but its his style and he hasn't been shot yet---yet.
It really pains me to say that JCU b-ball is successful but that is a fact. Call them as many names as you want. If the stripes don't blow the whistles then all those fouls everyone alleges must have been imaginary.
OK Toph, I'll settle for 70-10. And I'm reducing my Wilmington web address bid to $.20.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 30, 2005, 11:41:52 AM
jdean-
Yet another fantastic post.  I see that your basketball boys in purple aren't sharing the same success as the footballers.  I hope you celebrated that first win.  Hopefully they can get things turned around heading into the conference schedule. 

By the way, being the intelligent businessman that I am, I've also purchased www.mtunionbasketball.com in hopes that it will one day explode (perhaps Ric may be interested? ;))

I couldn't agree more about your comments about JCU (although it doesn't pain me to say that they are successful).  Perhaps a final note about Coach Moran:  When watching a coach with the style of...shall I say, negotiating...with the referees like Moran has, you have to sit back and enjoy the show.  The students at Carroll love it, the radio broadcasts are filled with "Mike Moran clothing updates," and even the band got into the act, having "Be Like Mike Night" where they all dressed in a shirt and tie, mimicking every "change in apparel" that Moran made.  You can't argue with his success as coach.  He's gotten his players to buy into the platoon system, and they're now battling for the OAC crown virtually year in and year out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 30, 2005, 07:37:54 PM
John Carroll's all sports broadcast schedule available: 
http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/news/internet_broadcast.htm

One note, WJCU will broadcast the women's game at Wilmington on the 3rd as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on November 30, 2005, 09:17:22 PM
What great timing. I just came here to talk about all the smut and filth on TV and radio and what do I see but a
promotion for the Howard Stern of college B-ball. And the school allows them to do women's games too????

By the way, Toph, if you'd like to continue your broad-casting career I heard there was an opening for a color guy covering the Havana hockey franchise. All the black beans you can eat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on November 30, 2005, 09:34:38 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 30, 2005, 11:41:52 AM
The students at Carroll love it, the radio broadcasts are filled with "Mike Moran clothing updates," and even the band got into the act, having "Be Like Mike Night" where they all dressed in a shirt and tie, mimicking every "change in apparel" that Moran made.  You can't argue with his success as coach.  He's gotten his players to buy into the platoon system, and they're now battling for the OAC crown virtually year in and year out.

As a former manager at JCU from the early years of the Moran regime, I can attest that Coach Moran has NEVER worn a sportcoat for more than the first minute of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 01, 2005, 08:59:22 AM
Howard Stern of broadcast radio?  I wish WJCU could have that many listeners. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 03, 2005, 08:39:50 PM
The Raiders didn't disappoint on the turf but they did on the hardwood, taking a dive at Ada 89-63. Oh what a long season this will be.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2005, 01:28:20 PM
From what I heard, the football game was excellent.  JCUers were winners on Saturday 82-67.  Roggenburk had 31 points.  Pete Moran continued his solid year, pouring in 17. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 04, 2005, 11:30:06 PM
Not much talk after the first night of games in the OAC. There were a couple of games of interest in the early going though. Any time you can get a road win in the OAC it's like gold. The wins by Muskie and BW on the road were quite impressive. The fish beat the second rated Cap on their home deck in what I hear was typical Muskie fashion-hang around til the end and somehow come up with a win. Looks like Coach Ford might have something going there. Even more impressive might be BW's win over Ott. Not so much that they beat them but by the margin of victory. Of course it is only one game but I heard that the Jackets were up by as much as 30 in part of the game. Any comments on either of these road wins?  And why isn't BW playing this Wed. and ONU is playing Defiance. Everybody else is playing in the league.  Any thoughts on how many losses you think the OAC champ will have this year? Looks like it might be a pretty balanced title race. Could the regular season champ have as many as 5 losses this year, maybe 6?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2005, 11:58:46 PM
bouncer1-
I think it's a pretty fair assessment that the OAC championship this year is going to be pretty tightly contested, no team really stands out.  I agree that a road win is a great thing.  I like Geno Ford, I think he will be a solid coach.  Personally, I think this season is going to be one of the most interesting regular seasons in years in the OAC...except for Mount Union  ;).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 05, 2005, 11:04:08 AM
What's up with Cap so far this year?  Weren't they the preseason #2 in the OAC poll?  I wasn't really surprised by them losing to Witt, but the OWU win over Cap was a bit of a surprise to me and now they lose to Musky.  Looks to me as if they were a bit overrated.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 05, 2005, 06:19:57 PM
I have no response Toph--the truth hurts TOO much. Triv announced on the radio tonight that the paper had a story having the SID explaining the spelling problem. Seemed like a reasonable explanation so it must be a lie!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 05, 2005, 11:56:49 PM
All in good fun jdean, all in good fun.

I have a feeling Capital will get things together in time to give other teams fits.  It's interesting that no team really stands out in the OAC this year as a team that can run away with this thing...in fact, I don't think we can say with any certainty what three teams are going to be at the top of the conference come tournament time...or what order they would be in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 06, 2005, 10:35:42 AM
BW would certainly be at the top of my list right now.  But you are right Toph.  Next week, it could be another team that stands out.  It will definately be an entertaining season to watch how things play out in the OAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 11:46:41 AM
Hey, why is it that everyone on here only talks about JCU and BW...There are 8 more teams in this conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 06, 2005, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 11:46:41 AM
Hey, why is it that everyone on here only talks about JCU and BW...There are 8 more teams in this conference.
And who would you like to talk about south?  My guess would be that it is because no supporters from any of the other 8 schools are choosing to come and join the discussion in here.

Actually, lately,  JCU's about the only team regularly discussed on here.  Jdean talks about MUC, but not really until the football season is done over in Alliance, so I would guess he'd like to stay away for another 2 weeks or so. ;)  Maybe, when and if a few teams start to assert themselves; i.e. Cap, or Ott, or ONU, etc;  then there might be some more discussion in here.  I'm just speaking from an outsiders perspective though, and that is what I've noticed seems to be the trend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2005, 01:51:34 PM
south-
Just guessing from your name, I'd be willing to bet you're a Pioneer or a Quaker...but your email says Musky (we could have an entire conversation about whether Musky or Muskie is the appropriate singular form of Muskies...but I digress).  Right now JCU and BW are emerging as the best teams in the conference.  Talk up your fighting fish!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 02:06:06 PM
I'm def. a muskie.  Guess the email gave it away.  I do believe Da Muskies beat the great JCU a few times last year.  All I'm saying is give em' some credit.  We have a new coach.....We are coming off a big win at Cap.  I think they will turn some heads this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2005, 02:56:55 PM
You're correct, the Muskies beat JCU in two games last year, although they lost the one that counted in OT.  You're also correct that Muskingum got a huge win against Capital, but if they shoot 24% from the field in the first half against most teams, they'll get buried.

One thing that stands out about the fish is that their starting five play a lot.  There are only six guys who average better than 8 minutes a ball game.  How do you think that is going to affect them when they play teams like Etta and JCU who run up and down the floor, using their entire bench?

Also, Kent is my hometown, I know all about your new coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 03:06:05 PM
First off, the defense will be there when they need it.  Different coach, same mentality.  I played for coach Burson and know coach Ford well.  I know they both believe in strong defense.  There is no more princeton O, but I believe that the new offense that we run can off set some of the teams that run up and down the floor.  I;m excited to see how the Ford Era goes his first year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 06, 2005, 03:14:45 PM
Who has the best facility in the OAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2005, 06:16:33 PM
I haven't seen BW's since they renovated, but Capital and JCU immediately come to mind.

How about JCU dropping out from #21 after winning their only game this week?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 06, 2005, 06:31:04 PM
There must have still been a few aftershocks to go around after that 30 point loss @ Rochester. ??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 07, 2005, 11:39:12 AM
What does the slate of games look like for tonite and Sat. ?  I'm a little out of the OAC loop being down in Miami.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 07, 2005, 11:52:36 AM
JCU vs. Berg
Etta vs. Cap
Mount vs. Muskie
Wilmington vs. Ott
Defiance at ONU

OAC.org has all the sports schedules.  We'll see if jdean's boys can take down the fighting fish on the road.

Saturday
Muskie vs. BW-there will be a big test for the fish.
Ott vs. JCU
ONU vs. Etta
Berg vs. Wilmington
Capital vs. Mount in the battle of the purples
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 07, 2005, 01:35:18 PM
Here are my picks for tonite:

JCU over BERG: Too powerful
ETTA over CAP:  Fun and Gun prevails
Muskie over MOUNT: Keep it rollin'
OTT over WILMINGTON: Reynolds wins
ONU over Defiance: Don't know much about Defiance, but Coleman will have the troops ready
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 07, 2005, 03:31:44 PM
I wouldn't mind discussing Otterbein basketball, but one reason I haven't logged on in a while is that I couldn't figure out this new format, and the other reason is that right now, the Cards stink! I will be supportive of the program (I have ever since 1984, and if you knoe their history, the 1987-88 team went 1-26). I do believe they are better than that. They have some talent, although they are very young. I hope they can pull it out against the Quakers tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 08, 2005, 12:09:10 AM
Southofoac
You lost to MUC????you really lost????no misprint?? They took down the fish on the road? Woe is you.

Mount has a lonely home game against Cap this Saturday after a great (hopefully) football game. I'm hoping Cap's basketball team is rebuilding so Mount has a chance of staying within 10 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 09:18:31 AM
jdean-
See?  There is hope for everyone!  ;)

JCU beat Heidelberg 92-90 in OT.  Looks like the Student 'Berg shot the lights out, especially in the first half.  According to the release on jcu.edu the Student 'Berg led for most of the game.  Pete Moran had yet another great game.  He seems to really be stepping up to replace Koch and Grogan.  I'm looking forward to FINNALY getting to see these guys play a game on Saturday, although I have enjoyed watching the ladies play as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on December 08, 2005, 09:54:43 AM
Akron (3-1), with its entire roster seemingly scoring at will, added several entries to the school record book Wednesday night with an overwhelming, 123-52 victory over Division III Denison (Akron Beacon Journal 12/8)

Makes me proud Mount stayed within 30 and was still in the game at halftime last year or the year before when they played Akron.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: southofoac on December 08, 2005, 10:45:29 AM
jdean

The guy that hit the game winner had 5 points all nite.  Could have went either way.  Looks like Ross was shut down from the box score, but that won't happen too often.  He's a resiliant kid and will be ready for BW on SAT.  Go FIsh!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 08, 2005, 07:17:09 PM
I took in the Berg/JCU game last night. Great game! No doubt the Berg should have won the game. Outplayed JCU for 44:59. Just not enough. Berg was hot in the first half and just could not close the game out late. Could not get a bucket being up 84-80 with a minute to play in regulation and up 89-84 in OT.

Good to see things havent changed. All those who complain about JCU players crying and acting like idoits I now know where they get it. Not once, but twice the same  JCU parent walked in front of the Heidelberg bench, yes in front, and said something to the coach. The first time he ran in front and ended up at the scorers table telling them to stop the clock. Because the clock guy forget to stop the clock, a fixable error. The second time this a-hole parent walked in front of the bench late in the second half and told coach Duane Sheldon "you are terrible". Classless!

A good game nonetheless. Berg started 5 sophomores and if it werent for a the 30-year old on JCU Berg wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 09:48:10 PM
I believe that Pete Moran is 25, and in good standing with the NCAA.  Who is classless?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 10:24:01 PM
I'd also like to add, is there ever really "no doubt" that a team that turned the ball over 22 times should win a game?  22...and there's "no doubt?"
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 08, 2005, 10:57:52 PM
Classeless is a 55-65 year old "Dad" walking in front of the bench of a team and saying things to the coach and scoretable. If you were their Toph, you would have known that Heidelberg outplayed JCU, regardless of the 22 TO's. Guarantee you ask anybody on your team, they will say they snuck out of Tiffin with a W.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 08, 2005, 10:59:34 PM
And oh yeah....25 years old my ass. Tried getting into JCU since 1998, maybe 1997.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2005, 11:50:19 PM
First, it is not my team, I am not on the team. 

Second, outplayed or not, you turn the ball over 22 times, you're going to have a hard time winning. 

Third, you just proved my point about Pete's age.  A typical graduating high school senior is 18.  What's 18 plus seven? 

Fourth, if I had been their [sic], I would never say that a team should've won when they lost.  If a team should've won, they would've won. 

Fifth, since it is "classless" for a parent (assuming he was a parent) to make inappropriate remarks to the another team's head coach and scorer's table (by the way, I agree), when does it become "classy" to do the same on an internet forum?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 09, 2005, 11:15:37 AM
southern man-
I just took another look at your picks from Wednesday.  I hope you didn't put any money on a few of those! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on December 09, 2005, 11:32:56 PM
Toph

You have almost as many friends in here as you do in the football forum  ;).  I have never posted on the hoops side but wanted to see if there was any talk about ONU's quick start.  I see that's not the case so I will make my way back over to the football page...  Good luck guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 10, 2005, 11:55:08 AM
Pete Moran will be the second oldest on the court today. Kevin King of Otterbein is 28. I predict JCU wins by 35, but this is why you play the game. Go Cards!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on December 10, 2005, 03:10:11 PM
Toph-

I saw that the JCU Soccer coach resigned his position effective immediately to pursue other career oportunities......That usually means one thing.....he got a gig somewhere else!  Whats the word on the street for his next coaching location?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 10, 2005, 05:29:05 PM
I just saw the score, and JCU beat the Cards 83 to 81. So much for my prediction, but like I said, this is why you play the game. Go figure. Any one (toph) care to share some insights on the game???

Also, I don't know if wobnsports still posts in this forum, but if he's around, why does 101.5 WOBN seem to broadcast only Otterbein women?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 10, 2005, 06:20:24 PM
fish-
I heard about the resignation, but I have no insight to offer.  Check d3soccer.com  ;D.

All-
I thought going in that this game would be more competitive than it seemed.  Otterbein was just as I have come to expect, disciplined (for the most part, it was clear that JCU's pressure bothered them), and very well coached.  Personally, I have a great deal of respect for Dick Reynolds.  Banazak and Co. missed a few key free throws here and there, but they won nearly every statistical category except TO's.  Also, I thought Tommy Young played extremely well, especially in the first half.  Ousley was shut out, and fouled out, as did King.  Otter had no answer for Pete Moran (he had 23), and once the big guys were gone he could penetrate with ease.  Derek Smith looked fairly good as well.  It was a great game, and both teams played hard.  Otterbein did not look like a team that would get blown out by Wilmington to me!

And johnworms, WJCU carried the game today. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 10, 2005, 08:49:06 PM
Good news and better. The better news? The football team won. I know, its old news.
The good news--I saw the Mount men play tonight. They've got a lot of kids (literally) playing and they aren't too bad. The youngsters don't have any bulk or height, but they are quick. Could have a bunch of good guards developing. As to Cap--they are big and there are lots of them. A couple of them play like hockey enforcers, with little finesse and bad hands. Mount was down 1 with 24 secs, worked it into Karpinski with 10 and Cap knocked the ball OOB. Mount couldn't knock down the winner. Losing by one was a tough loss but Mount actually played a good game.
Look out  JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 13, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
jdean-
JCU is looking at RC's Bears right now.  Hopefully they'll have the same success that the football team had against the team from Ada.  Let's not forget the CSU game is coming up as well from the game against the Vikings of CSU coming up as well.  Great tickets still available...by the way.  The Mounties will get their shot, and then you too can complain about the officiating that Carroll always seems to get against whoever they play.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 14, 2005, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: jdean on December 10, 2005, 08:49:06 PM
As to Cap--they are big and there are lots of them. A couple of them play like hockey enforcers, with little finesse and bad hands.

Isn't that a proper description of Cap every year??? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on December 14, 2005, 10:28:36 PM
BW looks they are off to their usual start. Big win on the road in Ada, on a cold, cold Weds. night in the OAC. Tough to do.

Saw them vs Muskie on Sat. They play very uptempo, suprised to see the score of 67-65 tonight. BW goes to the line 23 times to ONU's 8?

BW/CAP line for Saturday is BW -7.5, o/u 157. Double Tori Davis looks like the way to go, but they have great shooters. Just have to hope they are off from the field. Doesn't usually happen in the Banky Center.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 15, 2005, 10:07:35 AM
It'll be interesting to see how ONU rebounds at JCU.  Talk about a tough week for the Bears on the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 15, 2005, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: Toph on December 15, 2005, 10:07:35 AM
It'll be interesting to see how ONU rebounds at JCU. Talk about a tough week for the Bears on the schedule.

Tough week could be an understatement.  ONU gets to travel down to Springfield to take on #3 Wittenberg after their date @ JCU.  I had brought up ONU on the "Top 25" board as a team that was still hard to get a handle on.  They had almost cracked this week's Top 25, but after this week, they could be lucky to still be in the "Others receiving votes" category.  They were undefeated until last night and they had been winning handily.  But, at the same time, they hadn't really played anybody, until last night.  They could easily go from being undefeated, to having 3 losses by this time next week.

BTW, that was a nice win for the Yellow Jackets on the road in Ada.  That Wooster-BW game is shaping up to be quite a dandy in the opener of the Mose Hole Classic on the 29th!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 15, 2005, 11:26:34 AM
SF-
I'm not counting out an ONU win in U-Heights yet.  Unfortunately I won't be able to make it to that one though. 
Remember, winning in Springfield's not so tough.  JCU has proved that over the past two years.   ;)

Seriously though, now is a good time to find out if the Bears are for real.  If they play these three games tough (including that loss to BW), I don't think they have anything to hang their heads about.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 15, 2005, 12:07:07 PM
Toph,

I know ONU could just as easily win @ JCU and @ Witt, I was just speaking hypothetically about ONU having 3 losses basically because they are still relatively unproven.

Quote from: Toph on December 15, 2005, 11:26:34 AM
Remember, winning in Springfield's not so tough. JCU has proved that over the past two years. ;)
You are right about that.  JCU certainly enjoys the friendly confines of the HPER and Wooster has more wins over Witt the past few years in Springfield than they do in Timken?! ???  Go figure I guess.

I also agree that, even if the Bears were to lose all three, if they played JCU and Witt as tough as they did BW last night, I think we could all agree that they are a very good basketball team.  They did have 3 chances to win last night in the final minute as three 3-point attempts were missed by ONU that would have given the Bears the win.  It remains to be seen as to how ONU rebounds from this loss as they prepare for another top 25 opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 15, 2005, 06:19:07 PM
So since the Scots won at home this year, does that mean they pull out the big W and go 2-0 in the regular season series at Witt?  Either way, it doesn't really matter, barring a major, major surprise, the two teams will meet in the NCAC final and both will go to the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 16, 2005, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: Toph on December 15, 2005, 06:19:07 PM
Either way, it doesn't really matter, barring a major, major surprise, the two teams will meet in the NCAC final and both will go to the playoffs.
You are correct about that.  And if it wasn't for JCU the past couple of seasons (and Albion last year) a 4th Wooster-Wittenberg matchup could have been possible.  You guys seem to like crashing the party. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 17, 2005, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 15, 2005, 11:26:34 AM
SF-
I'm not counting out an ONU win in U-Heights yet. Unfortunately I won't be able to make it to that one though.
Remember, winning in Springfield's not so tough. JCU has proved that over the past two years. ;)

Seriously though, now is a good time to find out if the Bears are for real. If they play these three games tough (including that loss to BW), I don't think they have anything to hang their heads about.
Toph,

It looks  like it was a good thing you weren't able to attend today's game, although it  was obviosly one of those instant classics as they like to refer to them on "The Network."  I'd say the Bears did a lot today to prove that they are for real.  Two down and one to go for ONU.  We should definately get a good measuring stick as to how the best of the NCAC stack up against the best of the OAC on Wednesday given the fact that Wooster and Wittenberg met already and ONU is coming off of back to back games against 2 of the favorites in the OAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on December 18, 2005, 12:03:56 AM
What happened in OT that it ended so lopsided? Other then the final it sounded like a pretty good game. Took in the Mighty Berg' vs. The Hott Pink an Black Fish today. 'Berg wouldnt be too bad if they didnt turn it over every other possession. Teams like musky live off that with the offense they run an were up 30 at one point but went about 2 of 30 from the free throw line down the stretch to make the final only 10. Todd wasnt very impressive but i've heard he can light it up pretty good. No more OAC games till Jan 4th, first couple is such a tease i was just getting into it, shaping up like a good race so far cant wait for the finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 18, 2005, 07:41:38 AM
Quote from: Toph on December 13, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
jdean-
The Mounties will get their shot, and then you too can complain about the officiating that Carroll always seems to get against whoever they play.   ;)

I've seen some bad crews, so bad you'd think they have to on the take or blind. But the only place I know of that has a reputation for "home" officiating is St Ignatius H.S. in Cleve. I've heard of basketball coaches saying the calls are so bad there they swear the HS is borrowing clergy from the church, taking their collars off and putting stripe shirts on and telling them to win one for the Gipper!
I have little problem with OAC officiating.  They make some great calls and make a few bad calls and miss a few--they're human. The big thing to me is that they be consistent on both ends, through the entire game. So I have no beef with the stripes at JCU.

In case you basketball fans were studying for finals between the basketball games and haven't heard any recent news, I'd like you to take time out, get on your knees and bow a couple times while chanting: Mount Union football rules the world.

In case I don't post here in the next week, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 18, 2005, 10:19:05 AM
First off, great game in Salem yesterday for the Purple Raiders.  It was the most pumped up I'd ever seen the students for a Stagg Bowl, and I've been to four. 

Secondly, and please don't believe that I am trying to make excuses.  I am not entirely surprised that ONU beat JCU.  First because they look like a good basketball team.  But I am not sure that the team's hearts were totally in the game.  Edward Moran, Coach Mike Moran's father, passed away on the 15th.  I do not, however, want to take anything away from Northern's big win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 21, 2005, 11:13:19 PM
Last week in this forum, I predicted Otterbein to lose by 30 to John Carroll, and they nearly pulled off the upset against the Streaks. This week, I predict that the Cardinals will shock the nation and upset #3 Wittenberg in Springfield. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 22, 2005, 03:21:18 PM
They'll probably lose by 30 now.

By the way, with one upset over a DI opponent already in the books, will Carroll do the same tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2005, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 22, 2005, 03:21:18 PM
They'll probably lose by 30 now.

By the way, with one upset over a DI opponent already in the books, will Carroll do the same tonight?

Toph, sorry to pick on you, but I already called out Pat Coleman on this, so feel honored! ;)

UPS winning was NOT an upset.  We should get over this mindset that ANY d3 win over ANY d1 team is an upset!  UPS was BETTER than bottom-dweller Riverside!  In fact, Riverside is so bad that  ANY d3 team worthy of top 25 consideration should beat them.

By objective standards, IWU should be favored over nearly 50% of d1 teams.

We (collective 'we') have a sense that d1 is AUTOMATICALLY better than d2, and d3 is AUTOMATICALLY worse than d1 or d2.  Folks, it AIN'T true!  On AVERAGE, of course it is true - IWU is not about to beat Duke.  But IWU would beat quite a few d1s (including Illinois State, one mile up the road, if they had the guts to play us), and there are MANY d3s who would be favored over many d2s, and some d3s who would be favored over some d1s.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2005, 11:44:22 AM
Since the average annual D3/D1 record is about 1-43, we should be happy for what we get and play it up when we can.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 23, 2005, 09:49:42 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 22, 2005, 03:21:18 PM
They'll probably lose by 30 now.

By the way, with one upset over a DI opponent already in the books, will Carroll do the same tonight?

I see JCU lost a heartbreaker to Cleve St. I think they've decided to save all their energy for the 1-18-06 showdown!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 24, 2005, 09:49:26 AM
JCU shot the ball terribly, but were only down 11 at half.  The strangest thing was that they were getting open looks, the shots just weren't falling.  Cleveland State was able to outmuscle the much smaller Streaks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 30, 2005, 12:36:15 PM
Congrats to BW beating Wooster!  Unfortunately JCU couldn't pull off the upset as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on December 30, 2005, 08:18:42 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 30, 2005, 12:36:15 PM
Congrats to BW beating Wooster! 

Its amazing that Wooster almost pulled off a huge upset.

Getting back to the real world, Mount is showing great improvement--they lost their first game by 20 but it took OT to lose the 2nd game by ten. The good news for Mount is the schedule lightens up this week---They get BW Weds night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on December 30, 2005, 10:37:18 PM
  //

Nice win by Otterbein tonight. Down 48-35 at the half to Ohio Weslyan, they continued to chip away and finally took the lead with about 90 seconds left. Final score was 84-78, but it was essentially a one-possesion game. Fifth straight "o-club Classic" championship and their overall record now stands at 5-6 after winning three of their last four.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 01, 2006, 12:43:41 PM
Happy New Year to all.  Can't wait to get the OAC schedule started again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 05, 2006, 06:10:01 PM
How about Wilmington taking down ONU at home?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 07, 2006, 05:25:42 PM
Mount beat one of the best teams from Tiffin today. They led by ten a good part of the game. The Berg made a run at them and brought it down to 4 but Mount held on and made some foul shoots. Karpinski dominated the 1H with 19 but the guards did their part in the 2H.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 08, 2006, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 05, 2006, 06:10:01 PM
How about Wilmington taking down ONU at home?
How about Wilmington taking down BW in Berea?  The Quakers have quietly come on as this week's OAC frontrunners.  Just when it looked like BW was going to run away with the OAC, Wilmington pulled a "Not so fast, my friend!"   ;)  I guess we can add the Quakers to the list of quality teams in the GL Region.  I had mentioned this on the MIAA board on how this region is as deep as I can remember.  I don't know how you would rank these teams, but for now here would be my GL Regional rankings:

1. Hope
2. Albion
3. Wittenberg
4. Wooster
5. Wilmington
6. B-W
7. CMU
8. ONU
9. JCU

This is just my opinion on how these teams stack up, but nonetheless, that is a pretty impressive list of teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:41:34 PM
OAC Baseball Message Board is up!

Join us! :)

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4198.0

(I am looking for a volunteer to help with the OAC board.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: devossed on January 10, 2006, 03:33:07 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 08, 2006, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 05, 2006, 06:10:01 PM
How about Wilmington taking down ONU at home?
How about Wilmington taking down BW in Berea?  The Quakers have quietly come on as this week's OAC frontrunners.  Just when it looked like BW was going to run away with the OAC, Wilmington pulled a "Not so fast, my friend!"   ;)  I guess we can add the Quakers to the list of quality teams in the GL Region.  I had mentioned this on the MIAA board on how this region is as deep as I can remember.  I don't know how you would rank these teams, but for now here would be my GL Regional rankings:

1. Hope
2. Albion
3. Wittenberg
4. Wooster
5. Wilmington
6. B-W
7. CMU
8. ONU
9. JCU

This is just my opinion on how these teams stack up, but nonetheless, that is a pretty impressive list of teams. 

I think it's about as accurate as you can be at this point--though as others have said you can take the top 1-4 and draw them out of a hat and be pretty close too...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2006, 03:02:01 PM
I am a little surprised that Wilmington beat BW, but everyone around the OAC always likes to say that its the best conference top to bottom. 

As for the SF regional rankings, I'd say it's pretty accurate, but I think the margin of separtion between the top 4 OAC schools is minimal.  Look at the losses of BW, ONU, Wilmington, and JCU:

BW:
Losses to Albion and Wilmington

ONU:
Losses to BW, Wittenberg, and Wilmington

Wilmington:
Loss to JCU

JCU:
Losses to Rochester, ONU, Cleveland State, and Hope

So far, that looks like a pretty strong strength of schedule (and I haven't even pointed out the wins against top opponents).  Should be a good one at the DeCarlo Varsity Center tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 11, 2006, 11:24:26 PM
Can't stand to see OAC the only site on GL with no post today so I thought I give everyone the news they've been waiting for--Mount beat Marietta by 6. Mount has managed to win the last couple games against two pretty bad teams. Any more out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 12, 2006, 11:53:04 AM
Yet another flavor of the week falls!

Wilmington, who was this week's OAC flavor of the week fell last night to Musky?!  Need I remind anyone that Kenyon beat Musky???  BW looks to be back in the driver's seat after their dismantling of JCU.  Looks like they took out a bit of revenge for that Wilmington loss on the Blue Streaks.

I guess the Muskies' upset of the Quakers helps prove Toph's comment about the OAC being such a tough conference from top to bottom.  I still can't get it out of my head how Musky could lose to a team as bad as Kenyon and turn around and beat a good Wilmington team?!  Go figure, I guess??? :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 12, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
Kenyon has all those D1 transfers!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 12, 2006, 06:04:49 PM
That JCU/BW game was U-G-L-Y.  JCUers couldn't throw the ball in the ocean (7-35 in the 1st half), BW was extremely well prepared and executed very well.  Tori Davis took over in the second half.  Having seen a lot of JCU's games (and also being a little biased) I don't think the Streaks are as bad as their showing last night.  The Jackets played well and dominated.  We'll see if they stay in the driver's seat.  Don't forget, they have a game at Muskingum near the end of the year  ;).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 12, 2006, 06:58:53 PM
jdean-

By the way, looking at the final score, is it safe to say that the Pios have given up on the "Fun and Gun?"  Against JCU they settled into a 3-2 zone and tried to win in the halfcourt.  What's going on down south?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 12, 2006, 10:49:42 PM
Marietta was 29-52=55.8% from the floor and 14-30 in 3 pt FG against Mount.  If I was a coach I'd take that every day of the week. The problem appears to be 5-17 FT and 15 less bounds. Mount has been slowly improving its game, trying to get in a drivers seat like BW has so they can avoid the 0-70 on Jan 18.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 13, 2006, 01:03:28 PM
QuoteMount has been slowly improving its game, trying to get in a drivers seat like BW has so they can avoid the 0-70 on Jan 18.

Maybe the gentleman I see at every JCU basketball game decked out in a purple coat and matching hat can lend your boys a hand and show them what the Jackets did to dismantle the Catholics at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on January 14, 2006, 01:24:46 PM
Hey ScotsFan,
       I see what you are saying about Mucky losing to Kenyon earlier in the year, then coming back to knock off the Quakers. I suppose it is something like a 5-9 Otterbein squad beating the co-NCAC leader Ohio Weslyan a couple of weeks ago. Anything can happen on any given night.

I would say that the NCAC's two best teams, Witt and COW are better than the OAC's two best teams (BW and Wilmington) but top to bottom the OAC is much deeper IMO. I also look for BW to make quite a bit of noise in the NCAA tournament. Perhaps they could be the fourth team in the past 6 years to make it to the Final Four from the OAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on January 14, 2006, 02:56:10 PM
Otterbein holds off Capital 74-72!

The Cards go in to the Cap center today and barely protect a 10 point half-time lead when Ross Banaszak hits a runner with 11 seconds to go.

Way to go Cards!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 14, 2006, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 10, 2006, 03:02:01 PM
I am a little surprised that Wilmington beat BW, but everyone around the OAC always likes to say that its the best conference top to bottom. 

What's all this talk about Wilmington? They are SO bad Mount beat them today, 58-56. Mount has one win outside the conference but has four OAC wins--go figure. Coach has them peaking at just the right time--1-18.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 14, 2006, 06:23:44 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 13, 2006, 01:03:28 PM

Maybe the gentleman I see at every JCU basketball game decked out in a purple coat and matching hat can lend your boys a hand and show them what the Jackets did to dismantle the Catholics at home.

Maybe that guy in purple should help the Streaks--lose to Muskie??? ONU and BW continue to be the class of the OAC with W's.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 15, 2006, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 12, 2006, 06:04:49 PM
Having seen a lot of JCU's games (and also being a little biased) I don't think the Streaks are as bad as their showing last night.  The Jackets played well and dominated. 

How about as bad as the Streaks showing last night at Musky? ::)  Things aren't looking so good up in University Heights right now...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on January 16, 2006, 09:37:37 AM
First post on here.  ScotsFan, what Kenyon-Muskingum game are you talking about?  I believe the score that I read was Muskingum 85, Kenyon 66. 

Quote from: ScotsFan on January 12, 2006, 11:53:04 AM
Yet another flavor of the week falls!

Wilmington, who was this week's OAC flavor of the week fell last night to Musky?!  Need I remind anyone that Kenyon beat Musky???  BW looks to be back in the driver's seat after their dismantling of JCU.  Looks like they took out a bit of revenge for that Wilmington loss on the Blue Streaks.

I guess the Muskies' upset of the Quakers helps prove Toph's comment about the OAC being such a tough conference from top to bottom.  I still can't get it out of my head how Musky could lose to a team as bad as Kenyon and turn around and beat a good Wilmington team?!  Go figure, I guess??? :P

I do believe the OAC is down this year.  Lots of young talent.  I think the league is a year away from having 3 or 4 great teams along with 3 or 4 good teams. 

If you were trying to bash Wilmington and John Carroll,  I do not get your point.  Muskingum has had some very good wins this year.  I am not a Muskingum fan, but have seen them play and think they are a solid team. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 16, 2006, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: c-busballer on January 16, 2006, 09:37:37 AM
First post on here.  ScotsFan, what Kenyon-Muskingum game are you talking about?  I believe the score that I read was Muskingum 85, Kenyon 66. 
Firstly, you are correct, it wasn't Kenyon that beat Musky, it was Denison.  My bad.  Desison isn't much better than Kenyon for what it's worth.

Quote from: c-busballer on January 16, 2006, 09:37:37 AM
I do believe the OAC is down this year. Lots of young talent. I think the league is a year away from having 3 or 4 great teams along with 3 or 4 good teams.

If you were trying to bash Wilmington and John Carroll, I do not get your point. Muskingum has had some very good wins this year. I am not a Muskingum fan, but have seen them play and think they are a solid team.

Secondly, I was not trying to bash anyone.  Try reading my entire post next time.  I actually gave props to the OAC for being such a tough conference top to bottom!  I was also just commenting on how many different teams could be considered contenders.  B-W and JCU were at the top to start the year.  JCU has since fallen.  ONU came on over the holidays and Wilmington has since made a push, but have since given the front-runner position back to B-W.  I really can't see how you construe that as bashing?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on January 16, 2006, 05:13:44 PM
ScotsFan,

Sorry if I took your comments the wrong way.  It just seemed like you wanted to get into the NCAC/OAC arguement by downplaying the seasons of Wilmington and JCU because they lost to Muskingum, who you said lost to Kenyon.  If not no problem.  I get sick of reading and hearing that arguement.  I have seen Muskingum, ONU, JCU, Capital, Otterbein, Denison, and Wittenberg play this year.  I am going to try and see the Wooster/Witt game later this year.  I think by the end of the year, ONU will be a very dangerous team to deal with.  Wittenberg is very good.  I haven't seen Wooster for a couple of years, but I know they have a good team and can't wait to see them.  I am also going to try and see BW some time.  With the MIAA teams, and whoever else makes it in, it will be a challenging region.  Luckily Stevens Point graduated most of their team.  Someone else will have a shot.  When they were playing well, very few teams were going to challenge them. 

Again, sorry if I took your comments the wrong way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 17, 2006, 10:24:04 AM
Hopefully the Streaks can rebound against Mount at home.  My prediction for a final score...72-0, with an alley oop with .1 seconds left on the clock to finish the scoring. 






Of course I'm kidding.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: tyrone on January 17, 2006, 12:10:35 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 17, 2006, 10:24:04 AM
Hopefully the Streaks can rebound against Mount at home.  My prediction for a final score...72-0, with an alley oop with .1 seconds left on the clock to finish the scoring. 
Of course I'm kidding.

Sounds like a Mount football score.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 17, 2006, 03:38:25 PM
QuoteSounds like a Mount football score.

Really?  I had no idea.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 17, 2006, 06:36:45 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 17, 2006, 10:24:04 AM
Hopefully the Streaks can rebound against Mount at home.  My prediction for a final score...72-0, with an alley oop with .1 seconds left on the clock to finish the scoring. 

ONLY
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 17, 2006, 06:39:46 PM
DAMN FINGERS CAN'T HIT THE RIGHT KEYS. Try again.

ONLY if you borrow the Bridgewater--Rowan football timekeeper. Otherwise, the buzzer will have BZZZZZd
and the game would be over 70-0.

The reality is, the way the Streaks have been playing you should be happy if its 70-69.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2006, 07:09:20 PM
c-bus,

No problem.  Unless you're talking CCIW or WIAC, I think you'd be fighting an uphill battle when trying to argue a tougher conference than the OAC, top to bottom that is.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 17, 2006, 07:32:12 PM
QuoteThe reality is, the way the Streaks have been playing you should be happy if its 70-69.

I agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2006, 07:51:54 PM
Quote from: jdean on January 17, 2006, 06:39:46 PM
The reality is, the way the Streaks have been playing you should be happy if its 70-69.
Not to mention the fact that MUC is on a three game tear and they have been playing some pretty good ball lately as well.  Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see MUC come out on top with the upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 19, 2006, 10:25:58 AM
Streaks rebound nicely with a big win.  Is Muskingum the new Wilmington?  What a wild a crazy year it's been so far.  Should be a very entertaining tournament if this keeps up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on January 19, 2006, 11:24:18 PM
Nice win Toph. I read in the paper today that Mount actually sent the womens team to play the men at JCU.  But that's OK--we don't want to take anything away from your guys excellent game. I was disappointed that dispite the margin, it wasn't 70-0. GO MUSKY
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 22, 2006, 01:13:26 PM
Looks like Wilmington may have officially come back down to earth. 

Etta stayed with JCU (actually leading for much of the first half).  Unfortunately for the Pios, they were blown out of the water in the second.

Musky loses to Otterbein....it seems like the only consistent team in the conference this year is BW.  Big one on Wednesday as the Blue Streaks look to take revenge on the brown and gold.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2006, 06:30:55 PM
Just a reminder that D3hoops.com's Mark Simon is in Ohio to broadcast the Baldwin-Wallace/John Carroll game. Pregame show at 7:15 ET on Broadcastmonsters.com.

http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/d3football/d3basketball012506-1.asx
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 26, 2006, 10:29:52 PM
Has anyone else noticed that both the men's and women's teams at Baldwin-Wallace are 16-2 and ranked #8 in their respective polls?  Some coincidence! :o  I didn't notice this until I read on the front page of this site that #8 Baldwin-Wallace beat John Carroll for the 29th consecutive time.  I figured there was no possible way that could be true of the men, and of course, it isn't.  It's the women with this dominance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 27, 2006, 03:45:34 PM
Just a note, the JCU/Muskingum men's game tomorrow has been postponed.  No make up date has been announced.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 27, 2006, 04:57:17 PM
Forgot the link.  More info:  http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 27, 2006, 09:35:14 PM
My condolences to Coach Moran and his family.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 27, 2006, 09:45:42 PM
Sad news for the Moran family, my condolences as well.  I
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 31, 2006, 06:50:41 PM
JCU/Muskingum has been rescheduled to Monday, Feb. 6th at 7 PM.

jdean-
Nothing to say before the JCU/Mount game?  I'm shocked! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 01, 2006, 01:04:29 PM
Haven't been here for awhile--MUC's play has given me no reason to post.
Sorry to hear about the loss in the Moran family. No matter how old you are, no matter how old she is--its always tough to accept.
I may stroll over to the game tonight. If I go, I'll be the one with the bushel basket nearest the stripes. If it will help I'll let some JCU players dip into the basket!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2006, 02:31:00 PM
I hope you don't have any luck with that tonight :D.

I'll be in UHeights for the women's game tonight, hopefully it'll be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 01, 2006, 06:08:11 PM
Mount is so bad they don't even merit JCU radio coverage?

Pay attention to two of the women--Williams can be beast under the hoop and Hogan is a whirling dervish (there's one I haven't used for awhile) on defense, great hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2006, 06:26:46 PM
Equal rep for the men and women, until the postseason, then it's usually just the men.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on February 01, 2006, 09:20:48 PM
ONU 70 Muskies 66
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 01, 2006, 10:40:07 PM
Toph:
This has to be a first. I wrote the game summary worthy of publication in SI--the session timed out and I lost everything. Started over again, this one worthy of Mad magazine--session times out and lost another one.
So excuse the brevity. 16-4 early because of the press, Mount fought back to 18-16 deficit and 30-30 half. JCU pulled away by ten most of the 2nd half. Briefly had it to 17 but Mount brought it back to ten. Coach Jr had a T in the 1H--that got the coach to loosen his tie. Both coaches were on the stripes.
Not a very impressive performance by the Streaks, but they won. Hope your game was better to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2006, 10:56:09 PM
When you log in, hit the check box to "always stay logged in."
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 02, 2006, 10:28:31 AM
It seems like the father and son duo is racking up more technical fouls than usual this year.  JCU has never been very good winning in impressive fashion, but they do win ugly...a lot.  I hope they can go on a little run here leading up to the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 08, 2006, 12:28:12 AM
The first set of regional rankings comes out tomorrow.  We're never quite certain what hocus pocus is applied by the regional committee, but it seems that the only important factors in determining which teams get ranked are the regional winning percentage and the QoWI.  From there, they use head-to-head and records against other ranked teams to break ties. 

Along those lines, here's the 8 Great Lakes teams that have win %s at .800 or above, ranked by their regional records:

Team--Reg. rec.--Reg. %--QoWI--(national ranking in QoWI)
1. Wooster 16-1 .941 10.706 (14)
2. Hope 12-1 .923 10.615 (16)
3. Baldwin-Wallace 17-2 .895 10.526 (18)
4t. Wittenberg 14-2 .875 10.500 (19)
4t. Calvin 7-1 .875 9.625 (48)
6. Carnegie Mellon 13-2 .867 11.000 (9)
7. Lake Erie 13-3 .813 9.438 (61)
8. Albion 8-2 .800 9.900 (36)

If I had to guess, I'd guess that the rankings come out like this:
1. Wooster
2. Hope
3. CMU
4. Baldwin-Wallace
5. Wittenberg
6. Calvin

The top 100 national teams in terms of QoWI have been posted by Pat Coleman in the QoWI Chat room (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.90).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 09, 2006, 12:15:22 AM
...and that in fact is how the rankings have materialized.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 10, 2006, 08:16:53 PM
Updated (thru games of Thursday 2/9) QoWIs for GL teams (source: Pat Coleman, QoWI Board, Multi-Region Topics (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.105)):

1 (7 overall) Carnegie Mellon    11.000    13-2 (regional record)
2 (13) Wittenberg    10.765    15-2
3 (18) Wooster    10.556    17-1
4 (21) Hope    10.500    12-2
5 (23) Baldwin-Wallace    10.400    18-2
6 (29) Calvin    10.111    8-1
7 (45) Albion    9.727    9-2
8 (48) Lake Erie    9.706    14-3
9 (74) Wilmington    9.273    16-6
10 (75) Bethany    9.250    16-4
11 (78) Muskingum    9.158    13-6
12 (92) Ohio Northern    9.000    12-5
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 12, 2006, 11:53:17 PM
Has anyone had the pleasure of watching Baldwin Wallace play a game this year?  I had the chance last week against Mount-and even though the first half was a struggle-what a second half. They move the ball so well they can get a good shot almost every time down the floor. And Tori Davis is a great player!!!  Not news to many.  But there are many pieces of the puzzle on that team. Great passing and unselfishness.  But they are not very big. How do they do it night after night? In the OAC, to have only one loss to this point is quite an accomplishment. Would like to see them against ONU this week-should be a good game. Hopefully no letdown for BW after clinching it on Sat.  What has happened to JCU? I believe both polls picked them to finish first at the beginning of the season. I know P. Moran is out lately but they were already in a tailspin before that.  Any thoughts? Does anyone else get in the NCAA tourney from the OAC if BW wins out? What if BW doesn't win the tourney, do they still get in?  Thoughts about that??  Just food for thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 13, 2006, 12:07:59 AM
I saw the BW-Wooster game earlier in the year and was very impressed with BW.  Davis was patient and smart inside, took what was given to him, and scored around 42.  The other guys, who looked more like football guards than basketball guards, were able to get to the basket and finish and hit from the outside.

The game was a battle of titans, neither team really able to stop each other, with BW of course winning in the second overtime.  I'm not looking forward to seeing Wooster play them again, even though I believe Wooster is a bit stronger now than earlier, because I suspect that BW is also.  I'd be interested in seeing a BW-Wittenberg matchup, to see how Davis fared against Russ and Borchers.  Also, it would knock one of them out of the tournament...  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2006, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: bouncer1 on February 12, 2006, 11:53:17 PM
Has anyone had the pleasure of watching Baldwin Wallace play a game this year?  [...] In the OAC, to have only one loss to this point is quite an accomplishment.

It certainly is, and it's one that has gone somewhat unnoticed.  (It's been noticed by the pollsters, who have B-W ranked very highly.)  The OAC is one of the top D3 conferences, and like the other top circuits (WIAC, CCIW, NJAC, UAA), OAC teams usually suffer from the conference's strength.  John Carroll has won the last two years with four losses each year, and in '02-'03, JCU and Capital split the title with three losses.  The OAC may even be deeper this year, with the emergence of Muskingum and Wilmington, than in those years.  For B-W to win 15 of their first sixteen games in this conference is incredible.  They should be a major threat in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on February 13, 2006, 01:19:01 PM
I just happened to be looking at the scores of some of the in region teams yesterday and came upon the John Carroll boxscore.  I was a little surprised to see them get beat so baddly by Otterbein but I was even more surprised to see that Pete Moran did not play at all.  Does anyone have any info on this?  Is he hurt? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 13, 2006, 04:52:04 PM
BW is now ranked #3 in the country and finally Bankson has a gotten a OAC Regular Season Championship. 15-1 with two games to go in the OAC is great and 21-2 is one of the best teams ever at BW!

I do they think BW can score with anybody in the country. If they do play the likes of Wittenberg or Wooster (saying the make the NCAA's) I am worried about the height of those teams. 6-5 to 6-7 three guards may hurt them. Although Carroll beat some teams in the NCAA's that were taller (i.e. Wooster and Witt) in years past. Would love to see BW host a home NCAA tourney game and make Wooster or Wittenberg travel. But Wooster will be home probably throughout.

Congrats Jackets. Get em goin get em goin.......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 13, 2006, 05:40:06 PM
BW is running away with this.  Right now they are the best team in the conference, head and shoulders above everyone else.  Tori Davis overshadows a brilliant supporting cast who don't get the credit they deserve.

As for JCU, Pete Moran is out with a groin injury (since the Wilmington game), his return for this season is uncertain.  Tony DeMichele (backup PG) is out (since the Capital game) with an ankle sprain.  Derek Smith is out (since the Capital game) with a leg injury.  So, the Streaks are missing their leading assist man and scorer in Moran, their backup point guard who was made the starter by Moran's injury, and one of their leading rebounders and a force down low.  Cap that off with a very difficult year off the basketball cour and it should come as no surprise that the team is struggling.  I hope I don't sound like I'm making excuses for the Streaks, but it's difficult to win under these circumstances.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2006, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: Kramerica on February 13, 2006, 04:52:04 PM
I do they think BW can score with anybody in the country. If they do play the likes of Wittenberg or Wooster (saying the make the NCAA's) I am worried about the height of those teams. 6-5 to 6-7 three guards may hurt them.

Wittenberg is pretty tall (6'9" Dan Russ and  6'8" Dane Borchers in the low post), but Wooster has no height this season.  The Scots start what amounts to three guards (6'0", 6'0", 6'3") and two forwards (6'5", 6'6"), and the rest of the rotation goes 6'1", 6'1", 6'3", 6'5".  The Scots play a perimiter game; B-W can (and did) expose their weaknesses inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 13, 2006, 06:27:09 PM
Great Lakes teams in top 100 QoWI (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.105), and my prediction for this week's regional rankings:

1. (6th nationally) Carnegie Mellon    10.938    13-3
2. (11) Wooster    10.737    18-1
3. (14) Wittenberg    10.667    16-2
4. (19) Baldwin-Wallace    10.333    19-2
5. (21) Hope    10.267    13-2
6. (26) Calvin    10.200    9-1
7. (41) Albion    9.833    10-2
8. (74) Lake Erie    9.278    15-3
9. (77) Bethany    9.250    16-4

Projected rankings:
1. Wooster
2. Wittenberg
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Carnegie Mellon
5. Hope
6. Calvin

Actually, 2-6 looks like a crap shoot to me, and any/all of them could be tied.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: xoacballer on February 14, 2006, 01:07:56 PM
What is everyones standpoint on the National Player of the year award?  Does it have to go to a Senior?  Because I would have to say that Tori Davis should be a serious contender if B-W can advance to at least the Sweet 16.  24 ppg and almost 10 rpg leading a team to the highest ranking in school history.  This kid can flat out ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 14, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
Absolutely no doubt Tori Davis will be OAC MVP and should be considered for POY in D-3. 44 points @ Wooster and 39 points @ Muskingum to clinch the league outright, definitely great numbers on a great team.

I did not go to the Wooster-BW game so I didnt know Wooster is guard oriented. That changes my thoughts on BW beating Wooster again, but they are still #1.

Wittenberg at BW would be great to see in the tournament, but everybody knows Wooster and Wittenberg havent played a road playoff since Nixon was in office. Basically, I want BW to host a first round NCAA Tournament game, thats all. I do hope and think BW will finish off by winning the OAC Conference Tournament. But dont sleep on the Berg if they make the tournament. They do have a chance to come into Berea on Feb. 22 and shock the world (reference 95-75 win in 2005 @BW).

For those of you that follow the OAC, my buddy seems to the think the league is down this year. Would you say that's true or BW is just head and shoulders above the rest? In years past the league champ always has 3-4 losses and could lose on any given night, but not this year. That does raise an interesting point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 14, 2006, 06:47:05 PM
QuoteBasically, I want BW to host a first round NCAA Tournament game, thats all.

I think that's a tough argument to back up.  I think that BW is as deserving (if not more deserving) as Wooster for home games throughout. 

As for the league being down this year, I disagree.  I think the league is better than ever from top to bottom.  BW is just that much better this season.  Look at the number of teams bunched up in the middle.  Musky and Wilma have emerged as serious threats (remember, Wilmington beat BW) in the tournament.  It should be fun.  All it takes is for BW to come out flat one time in the tourney, and they're done...until they get an at large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 17, 2006, 09:11:57 PM
ONU showed how strong the OAC is (at least the top half) with a strong win at BW Wednesday night. They led by double digits most of the way before BW closed the gap in the second half.

If at least two OAC teams don't make the "DIII Dance" - it will be a crime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2006, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: DII/DIIIFan on February 17, 2006, 09:11:57 PM
If at least two OAC teams don't make the "DIII Dance" - it will be a crime.

Perhaps, but be advised that crime is rampant in our society.  If B-W wins the OAC tournament, the chances of another OAC team getting a Pool C bid (would be Wilma or ONU, probably depends on which gets further in the tourney) would be very slender indeed.  They just don't have the on-paper credentials (primarily Quality of Wins Index, where both are just shy of 9.0 and thus not in the top 100 nationally, and regional win percentage, both hovering around .750, good enough only for 10th and 11th in the region) to compete with other teams across the country.  There are at least nine teams in the region with better credentials than Wilma and ONU. 

(I'm just talking about credentials here; whether there are actually nine better teams is an entirely different qustion.  For example, one team with considerably better credentials is Bethany, but in no way do I think Bethany is a better team than either Wilmington or ONU.  But subjective impression isn't important; objective credentials are.)

Fortunately, Baldwin-Wallace is one of those nine.  So if the Jackets fail to win the OAC tourney (which is a distinct possibility), then the OAC definitely gets two teams in: whoever wins the championship, plus B-WC through Pool C. 

So if you want two teams in, root for Anybody But B-WC to win the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2006, 11:26:35 PM
Pat has updated the national QoWI standings (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.132) through games of yesterday.  Tonight, Carnegie Mellon was upset at Emory, but the Tartans retain their control of the UAA Pool A bid by virtue of Rochester and NYU also losing (to Case and Chicago, respectively.)  CMU is now tied with WashU. atop the UAA, and the Tartans swept the Bears so they own the tiebreaker.  NYU, Rochester, and Chicago are all a game back with two games left.  In other words, all bets are off regarding how (and if) CMU is getting to the Big Dance.  In the data that follows, I've updated CMU's QoWI.

So here's the Great Lakes teams in the top 120 of national QoWI, along with their regional record:
Legend:  Team -- Regional Record and win % (ranking w/in region for win %) -- QoWI (national/regional rank)

Wooster -- 19-1 .950 (1) -- 10.700 (11*/1)
CMU -- 13-4 .765 (9) -- 10.556 (13*/2)
Wittenberg -- 16-3 .842 (5) -- 10.368 (17/3)
Calvin -- 10-1 .909 (2) -- 10.182 (21/4)
Baldwin-Wallace -- 19-3 .864 (4) -- 10.136 (23/5)
Hope -- 14-2 .875 (3) -- 9.750 (47/6)
Albion -- 10-3 .769 (8 ) -- 9.462 (59/7)
Bethany -- 17-4 .810 (7) -- 9.333 (73/8)
Lake Erie -- 15-3 .833 (6) -- 9.278 (74/9)
Ohio Northern -- 14-5 .737 (11) -- 8.947 (102/10)
Wilmington  -- 18-6 .750 (10) -- 8.875 (106/11)
Ohio Wesleyan -- 15-6 .714 (12) -- 8.810 (108/12)

*I've approximated where Wooster and CMU would be based on CMU's loss tonight, which was only a 3-QoWI-point game for them).  The other national rankings may be slightly off, due to the other UAA results tonght, but should be close.

I think we can officially strike OWU, Wilma, and ONU from any further Pool C consideration; it's win or go home for these teams next week.  Lake Erie and Bethany are hanging on to a tattered fringe of Pool C at the very best; Bethany still looks fairly solid for a Pool B bid, and LEC can still get in by winning the AMCC tournament.  The top 7 then shape up this way, as I see it:

1. Wooster
2. Calvin (beating Albion on Weds. was a big boost to their QoWI, while Hope's QoWI actually fell in beating lowly Alma)
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Wittenberg (mostly because B-W beat Wooster, who beat Witt twice)
5 (tie). Hope
5 (tie). CMU (a cop-out, but CMU's QoWI is still 0.8 higher than Hope's, offsetting the poor win %)
7. Albion (and Albion's QoWI will go down this weekend, win or lose vs. lowly Olivet)

Pool C prospects: 
NCAC: Woo and Witt are both in regardless of what happens.  So if OWU wins the tournament, NCAC gets three bids.  :o
MIAA:  Calvin is in regardless; Hope is in if they reach the MIAA final.  Albion likely needs to win the MIAA to earn a berth.  All three suffer from playing QoWI-damaging first-round games in the MIAA tournament (against Olivet, Alma, and Adrian, all with win %s below .333 and therefore just 8-point QoWI wins).  Plus Albion has a season-ending game with Olivet that will hurt them even more, QoWI-wise.
OAC: Baldwin-Wallace is in regardless; anyone else has to win the OAC tourney to get in.
AMCC: Lake Erie's last two games are worth 11 and 15 QoWI points if they win, so a trip to the conference tournament final may put them in the running for one of the last pool C bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 18, 2006, 12:12:56 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 13, 2006, 06:07:09 PM

The Scots play a perimiter game; B-W can (and did) expose their weaknesses inside.


Yes, but Wooster, and more specifically, Tim Vandervaart, are playing much better defense inside since their meeting with Tori Davis and the rest of the Yellow Jackets.  Tim has really improved in this area as the season has gone along.  Also, Tom Port has become a presense inside defensively, so I would wager that Tori and the rest of B-W would be seeing a bit of a different look if they were to go up against Wooster again in the post-season. 

Wooster Booster brought up an intiguing question regarding a possible Witt/B-W matchup in the tournament.  Now that would be interesting to see how Davis would match up against Witt's twin towers.  There's still a lot of basketball to be played though, and as deep as the OAC is, there's no telling who will walk away with the automatic from the OAC this year.  That being said, B-W will get at least a Pool C regardless of who wins the automatic.  But, the fact that B-W is hosting doesn't guarantee anything as evidenced by ONU's win there this week!  Should be a fun week of basketball to watch how everything unfolds!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 18, 2006, 05:25:32 PM
Interesting day today as both Wooster and B-W fall in their regular season finales. Should we chalk it up to both teams not playing real hard knowing they are the number one seed in the conference, or is there some reason to be concerned? I recall watching my team (Otterbein) down the stretch (2001-2002), thinking that they had to win EVERY game just to secure home court advantage leading up to the final four. It is such a HUGE advantage in DIII basketball considering there are no neutral courts until you reach Salem!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2006, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: johnworms on February 18, 2006, 05:25:32 PM
Interesting day today as both Wooster and B-W fall in their regular season finales. Should we chalk it up to both teams not playing real hard knowing they are the number one seed in the conference, or is there some reason to be concerned? I recall watching my team (Otterbein) down the stretch (2001-2002), thinking that they had to win EVERY game just to secure home court advantage leading up to the final four. It is such a HUGE advantage in DIII basketball considering there are no neutral courts until you reach Salem!


I think Wooster played hard, but they didn't play good defense, didn't shoot well, and played a very inspired (and pretty good) team playing probably its best game of the year.  Wooster didn't mail it in today, they just got outplayed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fighting_scots on February 18, 2006, 09:02:54 PM
DC--Back from Delaware and you have nailed it on the head.  OWU played a perfect 1st half--Warnock was unstoppable--he even hit a couple of 3's that were called off because of a foul before the shot.  Woo in turn played a horrible 2nd half, scoring 18 pts in the 1st 17 min!  Take nothing away from the Bishops, but there was the proverbial lid on their basket---Woo couldn't buy a bucket--similar to the 9 min stretch in the BW game.  Port's shot at the buzzer was 1/2 way down--

Nice to see we weren't the only #1 seed to take it on the chin today---BW--Woo would make a fine "Great 8" matchup, a tough one for the Scots--

On to the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 18, 2006, 11:27:52 PM
Mount played a game today like some of us wish they had played all year. For their effort MUC gets to visit BW on Weds. My guess is BWs little mini slump will end but I expect some upsets in this tournie.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 19, 2006, 01:04:35 PM
Watch out for Northern in the tourney.  They look to be firing on all cylinders.  Badenhop's range starts as soon as he gets across midcourt, he had 24 yesterday...all on 3's.

As for the Streaks, the difference without a true point guard on the floor is very difficult to overcome.  Chris Day is wokring as hard as he can, but he's not a PG.  Without Moran on the floor JCU is without their leading scorer and leader in assists...and one of their better perimeter defenders.  Not only does he score well, he creates with assists and steals.  The offense is really struggling without him.  We'll see if JCU can get a couple lucky bounces (and maybe get Moran healthy) and make some kind of run in the tournament.

I'm going to think about this for couple days, but any early predictions on round one and beyond?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 20, 2006, 12:59:19 PM
Usually I would go with all the home teams but there are so many decent teams this year I don't think that is as big an advantage as usual. I agree with your ONU comment--they always seem to be on fire this time of year.
I'll be glad to help JCU with their guard situation--you can have any G except Switzer from Mount's current roster and two 50 yd seats to the next Browns SuperBowl appearance and Mount gets a freshman of our choice from JCU's 2006/07 men's roster. Such a Deal!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on February 20, 2006, 05:18:16 PM
Very interesting proposal jdean but will the Browns ever make it to the Superbowl? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 20, 2006, 05:45:13 PM
Come on, jdean, do you really think that anyone would be able to convince a recruit from John Carroll to go to school at Mount?   ;)

Here's what I think will happen right now:

Muskingum over Otterbein unless Tyler Ousley plays like he did against Carroll a few weeks ago, then there's only one player in the league who can stop him.

Northern over Carroll unless Pete Moran is healthy and/or the JCU coaching staff is able to come up with something to offset the 3 point shooters.

Capital over Wilmington unless I'm wrong...this is a coin flip I think.

BW over Mount unless hell freezes over  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 20, 2006, 06:35:56 PM
Toph:

Ok, I want to go on record: hell already froze over for JCU  on 9-17-05 and for Mount on 10-22-05

And there is a caveat to the frosh recruit: IF he meets Mounts excellent academic standards!!!!

Bishopsfan:

The Browns are going to make the Super Bowl before Art Modell is elected to the Hall of Fame (which I'm counting on as NEVER).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on February 20, 2006, 09:32:34 PM
jdean-
Point well taken.  As Browns fan myself it has been tough the last couple of years but I do feel the team is headed in the right direction. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 20, 2006, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bishopsfan on February 20, 2006, 09:32:34 PM
jdean-
... but I do feel the team is headed in the right direction. 

Yikes. They're moving again?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2006, 10:02:00 AM
This is the only football comment I'm willing to make.  To say the Browns are headed in the right direction is to say that they had more than one direction to go in.  It was virtually impossible for things to be any worse than they were.  This team had nowhere to go but up.  I'm not sold on this new administration yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 22, 2006, 05:04:18 PM
OAC Tournament Predictions

#1 BW vs #8 Mount - BW has lost 2 in row.  Mount has won 2 in a row.  BW handled Mount the first 2 times.  I look for the Raiders to use offensive sets they have not used all year and pull out all the stops.  If BW is loose and plays care free they win easily.  I will go with Mount.

#2 ONU vs #7 JCU - ONU is playing well.  JCU has had a tough year injury wise and emotionally.  Only hope is that Pete Moran is healthy.  Teams have shot a high percentage and have not turned the ball over against the Streaks recently.  If ONU is ready and focused, it does not matter.  ONU is too deep and too talented.  Take ONU

#3 Muskingum vs #6 Otterbein - Teams spit during regular season and both teams are 5-4 the second time through the conference.  Top players will determine this game.  Todd, Ross, Pittis for Muskingum.  Banaszak and Ousley for Otterbein.  Reynolds has a great tournament record.  Ford's first time around.  Take Otterbein.

#4 Wilmington vs #5 Capital - Both teams playing well at 6-3 the second time around.  Capital winners of 4 straight and Wilmington winners of 5 straight.  Whoever wins the battle of tempo and instills their style of play will win this one.  Turnovers will decide the game.  If Wilmington forces the tempo and turnovers, they win easily.  Capital needs less than 15 turnovers and Stahl to keep shooting well.  Take Capital.

Not very smart predictions.  I am glad I do not gamble.  I would love to see 4 upsets like 1998.  The only game that I am confident that the top seed will win is the ONU game. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 22, 2006, 07:00:59 PM
I haven't seen BW's last 2 games but I have seen Mounts.
They played their collective heart out to win those 2 last games and that's exactly the reason I'm going with BW.
Mount is running on fumes and about run dry.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 22, 2006, 10:50:53 PM
Four and one-half minutes to go, Mount down by five. Davis commits his fourth and Kaprinksi is at the line for two. He misses both shots, the teams trade threes and then the toilet starts to flush. Turnovers, an uncontested breakaway, foul shots and Mount is down by ten. Good effort Raiders. Find a couple guys to defend the post and sweep the boards and you'll be OK next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 11:06:37 PM
In this week's issue of SI, Milwaukee Buck Michael Redd is featured for his buying his father his own church building.

His father, Rev. James Redd, was a Capital University point guard in the 1970's. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 22, 2006, 11:23:15 PM
Good work Michael Redd. Amen and amen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 23, 2006, 01:09:14 AM
My wife is sure happy I do not bet money.  This is only the 5th time since 1990 that all 4 top seeds have made it to the semi-finals together in the OAC Tournament.  The other years were 1990, 1991, 1994, and 2002.  That is one reason I went with the underdogs.  The other is I did not want the finals to be in Cleveland. 

Congrats to all the seniors for their 4 years of basketball on the teams that lost.  Good luck to the teams this weekend.  I am sure none of them want me to pick them to win.

J-Dean, I saw that Mount battled back, did it ever seem like they could pull it out?

Toph,  how is Pete Moran doing?  I credit JCU for battling the second half of the year.  If they could have cut their turnovers to 20, they may have had a chance.  Kind of hard to run offense when all your point guards are hurt.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 23, 2006, 09:58:13 AM
c-busballer:

I didn't see the game--was listening on and off on MUC's broadcast. The critical point in the game was where I started my earlier commentary. With Davis committing his 4th foul Mount could have challenged him down low in the last 4+ mins. Would the game dynamics have been different with Davis trying to avoid or committing his fifth? Maybe, but the reality is Mount never really had a chance to challenge him because of turnovers. BW was able to cushion their narrowing lead and Mount lost their momentum. BW was up to the challenge on both ends of the floor in the final minutes--they won the game, Mount didn't lose it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2006, 01:05:13 PM
ONU forces 31 turnovers to defeat JCU.  JCU played well in pretty much every other phase of the game.  Northern didn't get a lot of good looking shots, and shot much worse than on Saturday.  JCU, on the other hand, attacked the basket very well and shot a high percentage from the field (over 50%).  JCU didn't make good passes on many occasions and Northern took advantage.  Turnovers lost this game for Carroll.  I'll say BW-Musky in the finals.  Northern didn't look very good yesterday, they need to play much better to beat Muskingum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 23, 2006, 11:37:30 PM
Too bad about the G problems at the end of the season, Toph.  I get sick when I see one of the 2 Mount teams with 20 turnovers--I just can't imagine how half again as many looks.
I'm not convinced the OAC rep is going very far in this tournie--hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 24, 2006, 08:16:29 AM
jdean,

It is all a roll of the dice once you get in the tournament.  Match-ups and style of play.  Where the game is played.  Look at JCU the 3 years that they were in the tournament.  They got a home game in the first round.  Then had to go play very good Wittenberg and Wooster teams on the road.  They won 2 out of 3.  They also had to go to Albion and lost on an unbelievable half court shot.  I do think the OAC has great parity, but is a bit down.  Odd to say that when there are three 20 win teams and Muskingum has 17.  My reasoning is that it is a young league and could possibly be a great season if teams stay healthy and add a player or two.  Only 6 of the top 20 scorers are seniors. 

BW - Returns 3 of 5 starters and 7 of top 10.  Most importantly Davis, Schuler and Sekerak.  They will miss Aufmuth and Gundert.  Gives them some grit and edge.  Nucleus to be outstanding again next year. 

Capital - Returns everyone.  Need to find some creative penatrating guards.  Great young nucleus.  No seniors and only one junior on the roster.  If this nucleus of freshman and sophomores stay together, they will be big and powerfull the next few years.

Heidelberg - Returns everyone but 8th or 9th man - This team has talent - as much as anyone.  If players are patient and learn how to win, they could be in the top 4.

JCU - Lose Ragor and Travis.  Biggest recruiting job is to get Mimes back.  Roggenburk, Franks still have eligibility if they want.  Need to find two wing players and a point guard.  If Roggenburk and Franks do not come back, Need some post players.

Marietta - Who knows.  If Foote has abandoned the fun and gun, it may take a few years to get back.  Back when they were a half court team, it was always a battle.

Mount Union - Lose only one senior, but Karpinski is a good one.  Did not see them play but know of some of their players.  Sounds like the have some young guards who could be good.  Saw Switzer in HS and thought he would be a good one.  Need to get some Post players.  Jdean, what happened to Jason Smith this year?

Muskingum - Everyone back but Pittis and Ross - two very good players.  Todd will make them competitive as long as he is there.  Love to watch him play.

Ohio Northern - 7 of top 8 are back - If everyone comes back, could be an unbelievable year for ONU.

Otterbein - Lose Ousley.  Need to find some post players.  If Owens comes back, he and Banaszak are a great backcourt. 

Wilmington - Lose Stirling, Carpenter, and Rohrbacher.  Biggest recruiting job is to make sure everyone comes back.  What a great story for Carpenter and Rohrbacher.  They went 4-23 and 1-25 their freshman and sophomore years.  They have helped Wilmington set a school record for wins at 20 and still going.  If Wilmington adds a few players, they will be good again.  Very quick and athletic team.  Reminds me of JCU a little. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 24, 2006, 08:28:55 AM
OAC Final Four -

Flip of the coin in both games.  The two matchups split with eachother during the year.  Will BW relax at all thinking they are in the big dance.  In the past there was no room for error.  Only one team was going (with the exception of last year, BW, JCU).

First game - I think ONU wins on the last play.  Badenhop from deep.  Or Todd makes a steal and hits a 25 footer.  Just kidding.  I will go with ONU.  I just think that they are deep and talented.

Second game - I love upsets.  I think Wilmington will wear BW down and win a close one down the stretch.  Wilmington has to make shots though to get into their press.  If not BW will win easily.

I think all four of these teams can get it done.  It should be a great final 4.

I'll take ONU in the title game over Wilmington. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 24, 2006, 10:47:10 AM
Finally some chatter in this room......

A great final four in place.

Game#1- Muskingum v. ONU. I like Muskie in this game for the simple reason of experience. Pittis and Ross are seasoned and Todd isn't your typical sophomore, really like a junior. Both teams are physical and Muskie has a better chance of lighting it up. Reference 21-33 3PT-FG last Saturday vs Berg. I think if you get physical with Badenhop you can take him out of the game and he will not shoot a great %, although he is very dangerous. ONU has some nice bigs, but so does Muskie. A great semi-final matchup for sure. Early line ONU -4.

Game#2- BW v. Wilmington. I witnessed game one in Berea with Wimington knocking off BW. Wilmington threw a 3-quarter court press that flustered BW and forced them into quick shots they did not make. Sterling at the top of that press was impressive. BW needs to stuff the ball down Davis' throat. They went away from him against Mount and that could have been a disaster if Mount took advantage. If Aufmuth has a good game this should be a good one. I like BW simply because of Tori Davis but I wont be suprised if Wilmington wins, if they make the game. Reference a long history of bus troubles dating several years back up and to last Saturday. Early line BW -6

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 24, 2006, 11:16:37 AM
I think one of JCU's chief concerns in the offseason should be addressing the lack of outside shooting this season.

Musky-BW final.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 24, 2006, 11:39:10 AM
c-busballer:

Lost Jason Smith for the year in a pre-season leg injury. I assume he'll return next year. Also, even though he's listed as a Jr, their starting fwd Long was announced as a Sr at the last home game. Even with Smith next year they need some help on the boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 24, 2006, 01:07:01 PM
QuoteI think if you get physical with Badenhop you can take him out of the game and he will not shoot a great %

He didn't shoot well in the JCU game.  I'd get somebody to bully him and see if he can be knocked off his game again.  He's always dangerous, though.  Great shooter, and he can get his shot off quickly.  If the perimeter shots don't fall for Northern, their bigs had better stay out of foul trouble.

Now, the question is which Musky team will show up?  The one that's been on a nice little roll here, or the one that scored, what, 39 points(?) against Mount?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on February 24, 2006, 07:49:05 PM
J Dean

Not that it matter right now but just thought I would add that otterbein does not lose anyone Ousley has a red shirt year from his junior year and last I heard was planning on using it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on February 24, 2006, 08:58:36 PM
ONU 80 Muskies 64
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 24, 2006, 11:13:06 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 24, 2006, 01:07:01 PM

..., or the one that scored, what, 39 points(?) against Mount?

Thanks for pointing out the defensive expertise of the Raiders. You're always so generous in your remarks.

I'll take BW tomorrow. They're playing twice so one of them should win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2006, 06:20:08 AM
whoknows,

I did not realize that Ousley was planning on coming back.  That makes Otterbein very interesting.  If Owens and Ousley come back.  Add one or two post players and on more perimeter player for depth and they could very easily make a run.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2006, 07:34:39 AM
Was anyone at the semi-finals last night?  Any insights to the games?  What happened on the last play with Davis being fouled?
 
Tough way for Wilmington to go down.  Congrats to Wilmington and Muskingum on great years.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jf714 on February 25, 2006, 11:06:28 AM
ONU did a solid job of bottling up Brandon Todd last night. It seemed as if the other guys carried Muskingum tonight.

I thought Wilmington played very well against BW. They did a solid job, for the most part, of keeping the ball out of Tori Davis's hands in the second half. I would say that the late foul call was justified. Davis got hammered.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCHoopsDad on February 25, 2006, 12:57:40 PM
I had a good angle on the foul at the end.  You could make as much of a case that Davis pushed off to get open as you could that he got fouled on the shot.  The push off wasn't called and the foul on the shot shouldn't have been called either.  It isn't the first time Wilmington has had the referees call a shot at the end of the game at BW to decide the outcome.  Same thing happened in the regular season game at BW last year.  The game should have gone to overtime.  Wilmington deserved a better fate.  The loss probably costs them a shot at the NCAA tournament.  You don't want to be put in that position by a referee at the end of the game.  Hopefully the OAC will get two teams in the tournament.  Wilmington needs BW to beat ONU tonight and hope they can squeak in on their two wins over ONU during the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2006, 04:02:55 PM
I had ONU over Wilmington.  I am still going to take ONU.  They are playing to continue their season.  BW is in the big dance.  I also think ONU is playing well.  They need to get Badenhop some open looks.  Post players need to rebound and play defense tonight.  BW needs to limit turnovers.  The Bears do not press like JCU has and Wilmington, but are very agressive and physical in the half court.  I think ONU is deeper and will help them in the back to back games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on February 25, 2006, 10:05:35 PM
Hey BW. Any chance you can win a game easily? These OT's and last second wins are getting old. How many more weeks will this drama continue?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 25, 2006, 11:35:16 PM
Here's how I see the final regional rankings, assuming I have recalculated the QoWI correctly:

1. Wittenberg (20-3, QoWI 10.652)
2. Hope (17-2, 10.211)
3. Baldwin-Wallace (22-4, 10.077)
4. Wooster (21-3, 10.042)
5. Carnegie Mellon (15-4, 10.474)
6. Calvin (13-2, 9.750)
---------------------------
7. Lake Erie (18-4, 9.682)
8. Bethany (20-4, 9.417)
9. Ohio Northern (17-6, 9.130)
10. Albion (12-4, 9.125)


Pool C candidates shown in boldface; Pool B candidate shown in italics.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 11:39:24 AM
Went to BW-WILM and BW-ONU. Two great games played by 3 very good teams. Tori Davis made big plays when they needed it and Shuler from BW hit huge shots in OT after almost losing the game in regulation.

JCU-Dad, are you serious they shouldnt have called that foul on the last play in the BW-Wilmington game? Davis should have filed a police report after the game on that foul. That is a set play BW has had in the program since Lincoln was in office and it actually worked because of a great throw. Davis did not push off, the Wilmington defender made a bad play on it and they had to foul or Davis would have laid it in. In my opinion the officials were giving the game to Wilmington and BW were better than the refs that night.

BW-ONU was another great game. I didnt think it could top the game the night before and it did. I stated before if you get physical with Baden"flop" he will struggle. Reference 3-14 FG. He did hit a huge three though when they needed it. He is a good player but a cheap player as well. Will grab and push off you on offense and then flop all over the place. Good to see the refs didnt buy it most of the night.

There is no way Wilmington will be in the NCAA's. ONU might not even get it in. It happen to Capital a few years ago and may happen again tonight. Too bad.

Will BW host a 1st round game? Anybody, anybody, Bueller.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 26, 2006, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 11:39:24 AM

There is no way Wilmington will be in the NCAA's. ONU might not even get it in. It happen to Capital a few years ago and may happen again tonight. Too bad.

Will BW host a 1st round game? Anybody, anybody, Bueller.


I agree with you about Wilmington, but ONU still has an outside chance.  The field is expanded this year, so the Bears have a better shot than Cap, who got jobbed a couple of years ago.  Without the expanded field, ONU would have no chance, but with the added pool C bids, they will want to be tuned in tonight at 10 to see if they made the cut.

As for B-W hosting, I would say they should host at least one game if not more.  Although, as screwy as the selection committee has been in the past, who knows what they're capbale of???  My hope is that they break up this region a bit and send a couple west and a couple east.  That would be the right thing to do, but the NCAA is only concerned about the least expensive thing to do so we will probably have to look forward to a sectional that will rival the Final 4 in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 26, 2006, 01:21:43 PM
Shame on you, Kramerica.

Your comments about Greg Badenhop, a fine young, DIII basketball player are indicative of someone who not only didn't play the game at a high level, but probably knows little about the game.

Focus on what the outstanding young men of BW and ONU did well ... they are both quality teams coached by quality men in Bankston and Coleman.

Kudos to BW for pulling out the win, and kudos to ONU for splitting two games with BW in Berea over a ten day period.

Kramerica, your true colors only show your ignorance. Shame on you a second time.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 03:15:25 PM
DII/III Fan-

I simply stated my opinion of some of the things I have seen for the two years I have seen Badenhop play. No doubt he is a great player who can shoot. I am entitled to my opinion and there is some fact to that opinion, he does flop sometimes. Also, I said that if you get physical with him he tends to not shoot the ball that great. Another opinion of mine.

There is no rule on this forum that says we have to say only positive things and focus on what teams did well. I am fan and simply said what I saw.  So as a result I don't know the game and did not play at a "high-level"? Mmmmm, ok. So if I played D-3 basketball I would know the game and have played at a high-level. Gotcha ya.

After reading the front page I am confused. So if BW hosts a 1st round game, there will be 4 teams and it will be on a Friday and Saturday? Or will they play Wednesday or Thursday? If so what are some of the teams that could be in Berea this week or weekend?


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2006, 03:24:36 PM
Five teams in the draw will earn a first-round bye.  In those situations, there will be a first round on-campus game on Thursday, and the winner will travel to the campus of the "bye" team for a second-round game Saturday.  There will also be 11 four-team "regionals," comprising the first- and second-round games on Friday and Saturday, all to be played at the site of the highest-seeded team in the regional.

So B-WC could host:
* A first round game Thursday, then travel somewhere on Saturday if they win, or
* First and second-round games Friday and Saturday, or
* No games, playing on the road Thursday and (if they win) Saturday, or
* No games, playing on the road Friday and Saturday.

I think it's fairly likely that B-WC will have a good enough seed to host, but probably not to get a bye.  So I'd anticipate a 4-team regional to be held in Berea on Friday and Saturday.  I'm working on potential brackets now; at a minimum I think you can expect to see Lake Erie College there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 03:31:23 PM
Hell of a job David Collinge....keep it coming. Make sure you get something to eat, this stuff isnt that important.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 26, 2006, 04:07:26 PM
Kramerica,

It's clear you are embarassed by being called out. All posters/readers know that an opinion of skills or playing style is not the same as ridiculing a young man's name. Enough said.

I do stand corrected on referring to the unlikely nature of you playing at a "high level". I should have simply said playing "organized basketball at any level".  :o

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
Fan,

I am embarrassed because I said Badenhop flops sometimes and is a good player? Ah...now I see, I think?

By the way, played 4 years in the OAC and scored over 1,000 points.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on February 26, 2006, 06:37:35 PM
Congratulations, Kramerica. I am duly impressed. You should be proud of what you achieved.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 26, 2006, 07:00:15 PM
Kramerica, You should have given up while you were ahead...Badenhop is only a junior...He's got another full season ahead of him
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 26, 2006, 07:29:23 PM
Kramerica, My apologies, I reread your posting...I first thought you were referring to Badenhop having played four years and scored a thousand...I now realize you were referring to yourself...nice career...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 26, 2006, 08:26:37 PM
Thanks...Now that we are playing nice is ONU going to get in? What is Northern fan thinking or hearing for that matter? You would think two OAC schools should.

On this website it has predicted BW being the #3 seed in the East? I find that weird and more importantly where would they have to go play?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 26, 2006, 08:41:39 PM
No...I don't see ONU getting in...too many teams ahead of them...Sad but true for the ONU faithful...I took a look at the D3 rankings and out of the top 25 only Albion and ONU are projected to be staying home...A bitter pill to swallow considering the year they had...But they should be strong again next year...losing one starter and some freshmen getting valuable experience this year for next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCHoopsDad on February 26, 2006, 11:06:48 PM
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2006, 03:42:07 AM
Quote from: JCHoopsDad on February 26, 2006, 11:06:48 PM
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.

It would violate D3's policy of giving out one national tournament bid per sport to every 6.5 schools that participate in that sport. That policy is an across-the-board rule that applies to all team sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 07:29:58 AM
JC Hoops Dad and Kramerica,

I was not at the game Friday and did not see the play or the call.  Now I agree that calls at the end of the game are difficult to deal with.  I have been involved in enough games to feel both sides.  Look at it from the other side.  If Davis did get mugged and there was no call and Wilmington won, how would that look?  How would the BW players feel?  I am not sure they would have been picked as an at large bid.  It depends on what their SOSI number or quality of wins index would have been.  I am not smart enough or have enough time to figure that out.

I brought this up on the NCAC page.  I am tired of referees being brought into the equation.  Teams and players win games.  I always love when a poster says "i thought the ref's did a good job, but...".  I do not think ref's even need to be congratulated.  There always seems to be an implication when someone mentions refs. 

I am not just talking about this game.  I watched both the OAC and NCAC games on the net Saturday night.  I watched more of the NCAC because I had not seen Wooster play.  One of the Wooster posters made a reference to the ref's,

"For about the first 2/3 of the ballgame, I felt that Wittenberg got away with being overly aggressive.  But then, as if a gun went off, suddenly fouls were being called on Witt, fouls that I've not often seen called at Timken on an opponent.  Holds, pushes, hacks.  Mostly, they seemed to be called by the older ref, who just stepped forward and did the right thing.  It was nice to see, and from that point on I thought it was one of the better officiated DIII games that I've seen."

I watched most of that game.  There were a few calls that raised eyebrows.  I know who the three ref's were and they were on top of their game.  They actually raised their level of officiating, because I thought one was definitely in over his head.  I also tracked the fouls in the second half off of the box score.  The Wooster poster states that for 2/3 of the game that Witt got away with being overly aggressive.  Wooster did not pick up their first foul until 13:48 of the second half.  Witt had 4.  Wooster was shooting the bonus at the 11:28 mark while Wiitenberg did not shoot the bonus until the 1:15 mark. 

Wilmington made a great comeback.  If Davis was fouled, then it should be called no matter what time of the game it is.  I do think that most ref's would let some contact go, but cannot let everything go.  Look at the running box score.  There are always plays that teams can look back on.  A free-throw here or there.   

Congratulations to BW on a great year.  The rest of the conference hope's you have a long run in the tournament.  The sad part of the season is that ONU and/or Wilmington did not get in the tournament.  Just looking at the Great Lakes Region, ONU, Wilmington, and Albion had great years.  Unfortunately their Quality of Wins Index number was too low.  ONU was 85th at 9.130, Albion was 87th at 9.130, and Wilmington was 108th at 8.8519.  IF you look in the multi-regions area under Quality of wins index, Titan Q also shows that there were at least 6 teams with a higher quality of wins index not selected ahead of these three teams.  Unfortunately I think besides the top four teams in the conference the rest of the teams were very average to poor and hurt their numbers before the committee. 

It also hurt that the CCIW and WIAC each got 3 teams into the tournament.  Both these conferences are just a notch above the OAC.  However, I have a hard time putting La Cross in over ONU and some other teams.  ONU finishes second in the conference and second in the tournament.  La Crosse finishes tied for 4th in the regular season and loses in the semi-finals. 



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 27, 2006, 08:13:55 AM
Quote from: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 07:29:58 AM
If Davis did get mugged and there was no call and Wilmington won, how would that look? How would the BW players feel?

I brought this up on the NCAC page. I am tired of referees being brought into the equation. Teams and players win games.

But the refs are part of the equation, and I think that your first statement above points to that.  You're absolutely correct in saying that if a player is mugged and no call is made that that is very wrong.  Well, who bears the responsibility to make those calls?  Not the players.  The referees.  And if they don't make them when they should, they can certainly have an influence on the outcome of the ballgame.

Quote from: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 07:29:58 AM
I also tracked the fouls in the second half off of the box score. The Wooster poster states that for 2/3 of the game that Witt got away with being overly aggressive. Wooster did not pick up their first foul until 13:48 of the second half. Witt had 4. Wooster was shooting the bonus at the 11:28 mark while Wiitenberg did not shoot the bonus until the 1:15 mark.

I don't know exactly when I felt that there was a distinct change in the officiating, but I think you've pretty much found it, maybe a little sooner than the 2/3 point of the ballgame. Wooster did get into the bonus, and even the double bonus, early in the second half (maybe around the 10 minute mark?).

As I said in my post, from that point on I thought that Wittenberg was curtailed from being overly aggressive, that the refs did a nice job, especially the older guy.  I don't have any numbers to back me up, but I'll stand by my statement that earlier on I feel that they got away with a bit much.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 09:38:28 AM
Why does Wittenberg get to host games every year? I feel BW got robbed and should be hosting those first round, 4-team games. BW wins the OAC and the OAC tournament and has to travel. Wittenberg has three tough games a year, all against Wooster, doesnt win their league, and gets to host? Why should Wittenberg get to host? Bush league.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 09:46:54 AM
Also JCHoopsDad,

That foul at the end of the BW-Wilm game was absolutely the right call. The refs had to make that call because Wilmington fouled on purpose to avoid Davis laying the ball in for the game winner. If they didnt foul him he would have scored and that would have been it. The refs had nothing to do with that, Wilmington fouled on purpose. I thought that was obvious?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 09:57:08 AM
CMU vs. BW. This should one of (if not the best game of the first round). I didnt get a chance to see BW play much in the regular season but their credentials speak for themselves. It is going to be a high scoring shootout for sure.

Also as an ONU student I would have loved to see them get into the tournament. The team performed above and beyond my expectations. I think with the core of guys that they are bringing back next year, ONU will not be dissapointed come tournament selection time next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WoosterFAN on February 27, 2006, 10:16:29 AM
I am not sure that WITT hosts every year. I thought the issue might be why does the NCAC/MIAA seem to host every year and OAC does not.

Last year JCU came into Springfield and WON, and JCU beat them the previous year (3 years ago) @ JCU and four and five years ago WITT got bye and won at home.  So for the 2000s WITT has made the tourney 5 times in six seasons and hosted 4 times.  Wooster has similar record of getting to be the host team. 

I am not sure of the reason for it but first glance it looks like OAC may beat up on each other too much.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 12:07:45 PM
When JCU made their runs they had to travel to Wooster twice and Witt twice and Albion.  It is great to host, but they JCU got it done a few times.  Stevens Point did not host the Sectional when they won their first Championship.  Wooster Fan is correct when he said that the OAC beats up on eachother too much.  You still have to play the games.  JCU was 2-0 at Witt, 1-1 vs Wooster with one other win vs Maryville TN, and 0-1  at Albion on a half court shot.  They were 3-0 at home in first round games.  BW has a great chance to make a run to the final four.  Just take one game at a time.  They have to win the first game before looking ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 12:12:43 PM
Did you Know-

Carnegie Mellon beat D-1 Princeton this year.
A few days later they lost to the Beavers from Bluffton.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 27, 2006, 12:18:31 PM
Early predictions for Great Lakes Bracket.

Mississippi College over Maryville, MO.
Trinity, Texas over Maryville, TN
Trinity over Mississippi.

Transylvania over Bethany
Wooster over Randolph-Macon
Wooster over Transylvania

Hope over Wisconsin Lutheran
Calvin over La Cross
Hope over Calvin

Witt over Lake Erie
BW over Carnegie Mellon
Witt over BW

Sectional
Wooster over Trinity
Witt over Hope
Wooster over Witt

Hoppy Final Four to Wooster
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 12:12:43 PM
Did you Know-

Carnegie Mellon beat D-1 Princeton this year.
A few days later they lost to the Beavers from Bluffton.

Yeah they took a page out of the ONU football playbook. Losing to an opponet you should beat after a big win. Unlike the ONU football team though, CMU is in the NCAA playoffs where anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 27, 2006, 03:29:25 PM
QuoteI am not sure of the reason for it but first glance it looks like OAC may beat up on each other too much.

Not every team has the luxury of having one other great team in their conference, followed up by some mediocre teams...bottomed out with some downright terrible teams.

I personally like having a bunch of evenly matched teams.  Is it really all that exciting knowing from day one who is likely going to be playing for the conference championship? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on February 27, 2006, 04:05:26 PM
QuoteWhy does Wittenberg get to host games every year? I feel BW got robbed and should be hosting those first round, 4-team games. BW wins the OAC and the OAC tournament and has to travel. Wittenberg has three tough games a year, all against Wooster, doesnt win their league, and gets to host? Why should Wittenberg get to host? Bush league.

Witt has a higher QOWI and Hope has a higher QOWI and a better regional record.

Those non conference games against Oberlin and Allegheny hurt the cause as much as the late losses to ONU and Capital.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 04:13:13 PM
Is there anywhere to see the regional rankings? I know BW is #3 but I would like to see official rankings. In order for BW to host anything this tournament, they will have to beat Witt, if they beat CMU, and hope Hope loses?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2006, 04:24:21 PM
Quote from: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 04:13:13 PM
Is there anywhere to see the regional rankings? I know BW is #3 but I would like to see official rankings. In order for BW to host anything this tournament, they will have to beat Witt, if they beat CMU, and hope Hope loses?

Nope.  The final regional rankings are not released to the public. 

Obviously BW has to survive the weekend to host, but they'd need more than you suggest.  Not only Hope but also Transylvania would defnintely have to lose.  Probably Wooster too.  And then there's Mississippi College, who just might be the top seed in the sectional--would the NCAA fly three teams to Jackson for a tournament?  They flew three teams to Tacoma a couple of years ago, but that was because the only other potential host (Stevens Point) had a women's tournament going on. 

And that raises the biggest obstacle of all: the B-WC women.  They are the primary reason the YJ men are traveling this weekend, and if the distaff Jackets survive they very well may host their own sectional next weekend too.  So the chances of seeing the BW men playing in Berea are not good before the summer league starts.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on February 27, 2006, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: Kramerica on February 27, 2006, 12:12:43 PM
Did you Know-

Carnegie Mellon beat D-1 Princeton this year.
A few days later they lost to the Beavers from Bluffton.


Did you know?

CMU is in the tournament.
Bluffton is sitting at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2006, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2006, 03:42:07 AM
Quote from: JCHoopsDad on February 26, 2006, 11:06:48 PM
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.

It would violate D3's policy of giving out one national tournament bid per sport to every 6.5 schools that participate in that sport. That policy is an across-the-board rule that applies to all team sports.

Greg, true.  But to add some good news - with all the provisional teams in the d3 pipeline, the tourney should be adding one more team every 2-3 years, and may well reach 64 teams within 10-15 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2006, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2006, 03:42:07 AM
Quote from: JCHoopsDad on February 26, 2006, 11:06:48 PM
Kramerica, to say the refs were giving the game to Wilmington shows your obvious bias.  Also the comment about the police report is way out of line.  All I said was the referee shouldn't decide a game in a situation like that.  I thought the refs called a good game.  I just thought OT would have been a better solution to that situation.  Good luck to BW.  Hopefully, they represent the OAC well.  Too bad such a good conference only gets one team in.  Why not expand the field to a full 64?  It's only 5 more games.

It would violate D3's policy of giving out one national tournament bid per sport to every 6.5 schools that participate in that sport. That policy is an across-the-board rule that applies to all team sports.

Greg, true.  But to add some good news - with all the provisional teams in the d3 pipeline, the tourney should be adding one more team every 2-3 years, and may well reach 64 teams within 10-15 years.

Yup. And then we can read all the griping from the fans of the would-be 65th team. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2006, 01:49:56 AM
And poor d1 - they now have to put up with the griping from the would-be 66th team!

Expansion is great - I can't imagine fans of any teams other than (perhaps) Albion, Elmhurst, or Ohio Northern who have ANY legitimate claim that they could have been final four if only they had been given the chance (and, of course, they had the chance in their conference tourneys)! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 02:01:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2006, 01:49:56 AM
And poor d1 - they now have to put up with the griping from the would-be 66th team!

Expansion is great - I can't imagine fans of any teams other than (perhaps) Albion, Elmhurst, or Ohio Northern who have ANY legitimate claim that they could have been final four if only they had been given the chance (and, of course, they had the chance in their conference tourneys)! 

One might add Trinity (CT) to that list as well, especially given the weakness of that section of the bracket and the fact that they're one of only two teams to have beaten Amherst this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: cmubobcat on February 28, 2006, 04:27:15 PM
Listen up B-W and OAC fans!  Tune in to "Sportsline" tonight at 10 PM on Carnegie Mellon's WRCT Radio for discussion of Friday night's CMU vs. Baldwin-Wallace matchup and a preview of this weekend's regional at Wittenberg.

Listen online at www.wrct.org.  Call 412-621-9728 to join in on the discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 01, 2006, 09:21:27 PM
 I am looking forward to see how far B-W advances in the tournament...considering they lost two of their last five games to Ohio Northern and Capital, barely escaped elimination by Wilmington on a last second full court heave that drew a foul according to the men in stripes and then followed that performance up with an overtime win against Ohio Northern in the OAC finals. I fear they may be entering the tournament on an empty tank...I really would like to see them go deep into the tournament to hopefully exhibit to the "wizards'' of the NCAA selection committee that choosing one rep from the OAC this year was a mistake...Sour Grapes maybe, but it is difficult to see how you leave  a team ranked in the top twenty five at home...ONU of the OAC and Albion I believe are the only two teams in the top 25 that did not get a bid....Maybe next year...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hugenerd on March 02, 2006, 04:45:42 PM
I think BW will have their hands full with CMU as well.  It should be a good game.  CMU is bigger than BW at every position (by alot) so it will be interesting to see if BW can use their quickness to their advantage.  Both teams scored in the mid 80s during the season so the tempo of the game should be familiar to both schools, but it will be interesting to see how the game plays out.  (By outsized I mean CMU had the following starters in the final game of the season: 1-6'2", 2-6'4",3-6'7", 4-6'6", 5-6'4" and they have a 6'8" coming off the bench, when I looked at BW it appeared they didnt have anyone over 6'3" who played a whole lot.  CMU did have trouble with Blufftoon earlier in the season, though, who has similar size to BW.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on March 03, 2006, 07:17:39 AM
hugenerd,

BW has been playing against bigger teams all year.  Davis is not your typical DIII player.  He is a DI athlete who did not have the ballhandling skills to consistently play on the perimeter.  Teams have had to outscore BW to beat them.  Rarely have they been stopped.  However, I do think that they are getting tired, and a CMU win would not surprise me.  They have had a great year with some impressive wins.

Tonights Games

Wooster vs Randolph Macon:

I have seen Macon a few times over the years.  I have seen them this year.  Those teams Reminds were similar Wooster teams before this year.  Great Inside / Outside action between post players and guards with great ball movement.  Solid Defensively.  Very well coached and play extremely hard.  My belief with Wooster is that few teams are going to beat them if Wooster gives them a top performance.  They are going to struggle and lose when they have an off night shooting the ball.  The great aspect once you get into the tournament is that you may play a couple of teams that you have not played this year, for a couple of years, or ever and teams are not familiar with your teams style, pace of the game, or the players.  I think the first 3 teams they face may be shell shocked by their offensive fire power. 

Witt vs Lake Erie:

If Lake Erie can get by all the firsts in their program's history (wins, conference championship, tournament championship, NCAA birth), get by the fact that they are playing at Witt and all of their history, and the fact that they have never seen the quality of big men in Russ and Borchers, they can make a game of it.  Lake Erie will try to make it an ugly game, similar to JCU.  They will adjust their variation pressure defense.  They can force turnovers and teams to take bad shots.  I still take Witt.

BW vs Carnegie Mellon:

CMU has some great wins this year.  Do not know anything about them.  I am an Ohio guy so I will stick with the Yellow-Jackets.

Sectional Final Predictions:

Amherst vs WPI (Amherst)
WOO vs Witt (WOO)
Whitewater vs Augustana (Whitewater)
Lincoln vs William Patterson (Lincoln)

WOO over Amherst
Whitewater over Lincoln
WOO over Whitewater
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on March 03, 2006, 07:21:46 AM
Sorry about my last post.  My post about RMC looks like a 2nd grader.  What I was trying to say is that I have seen RMC in the past, not this year.  Their teams in the past reminded me of a traditional Wooster team before this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on March 03, 2006, 03:13:24 PM
CMU is a very uptempo team that is going to look to wear out B-W. They are as athletic as any team in the country. I look for them to make some noise in this year's tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on March 03, 2006, 06:43:07 PM
BW up 14 or 15 a half....rolling and CMU no answer for Davis. BW TO's could hurt them if they keep it up and they are in some foul trouble guard wise. Next!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Kramerica on March 03, 2006, 06:45:32 PM
Make it up 12.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on March 03, 2006, 08:53:50 PM
Looks like a Wittenberg - BW matchup tomorrow night.

Shades of the good old days in the OAC.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 03, 2006, 10:00:22 PM
Wittenberg by at least ten.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on March 03, 2006, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: onefan on March 03, 2006, 10:00:22 PM
Wittenberg by at least ten.

I'm glad to hear that.  However, didn't BW beat Wooster earlier in the year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 04, 2006, 01:02:18 PM
Yes, BW won in double overtime against Wooster. I did not see that game, but I have seen BW play four times this year and Wittenberg twice...I just don't think BW has the overall talent to stay with Wittenberg...I think the key will be inside the paint...Davis will need to bring his A game tonight or BW is going to have a long evening. As an OAC fan , my heart is with the Yellow Jackets but my money would be on the Berg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on March 04, 2006, 09:33:11 PM
One of the BW teams won and that is my last post on this board for the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: dothedew on March 05, 2006, 12:48:55 PM
on the hope website

The Flying Dutchmen will travel to Wittenberg University in Springfield, Ohio for the NCAA Division III Sectional Tournament next Friday, the NCAA has announced. Hope (28-2) will play the host Tigers (27-3) in the second game of Friday's doubleheader at a time to be announced. The first game will pit Mississippi College (28-1) against Transylvania, Ky. (26-4). Friday's winners will meet on Saturday at a time to be announced.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on March 12, 2006, 08:32:22 AM
Witt could have played bad and beaten tranny
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on March 15, 2006, 07:01:51 PM
What exactly are the "recruiting" rules in Division III?

I've never known exactly and for sure don't know what the differences are from when Witt "deemphasized" and moved out ot the OAC.

Can someone give me an overview on the recruiting rules and the differences in emphasis between the OAC and the NCAC?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on March 19, 2006, 11:49:55 PM
Anyone like to comment on former OAC member OH State's performance today? There is little joy in Cbus unless you're a Davenport fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 23, 2006, 02:13:06 PM
Well, I'm getting to this late, but the Bucks were simply outplayed by a much more athletic, quick team.  I haven't seen a team get beaten so badly by backdoor cuts since...well...BW took JCU to the woodshed at the end of the season.  I like what JT3 is doing at Georgetown, using a speed-based version of the Princeton offense.  It was all about next year for the Buckeyes anyway.  That Oden kid looks ridiculous. 

By the way, I think Mount Union is still waiting for an invite to play the Bucks in football and decide once and for all who rules college football in the state of Ohio. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on March 25, 2006, 02:35:18 PM
OSU????? And see another 70-0 score? Besides, ONU may claim "Best in Ohio" since they beat Mount!

I'd like to see Dayton play MUC, but they have nothing to gain by scheduling Mount. Gosh, was basketball SO bad that we're talking about football already?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on April 02, 2006, 01:30:10 PM
QuoteGosh, was basketball SO bad that we're talking about football already?

Yes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on April 03, 2006, 11:37:40 PM
Not exactly my kind of ball game but I have to give credit to the FL kids--their hands were everywhere on defense. Total dominance on both ends. UCLA had some looks but all they could find was the front of the rim.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake EX on May 14, 2006, 04:00:32 PM
Not the back.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Joe-Man on June 03, 2006, 05:05:03 PM
Drake, if your gonna post, post more than 3 words!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 21, 2006, 01:12:40 PM
Post more than one sentence, both of you!! This board is visited so infrequently it would be nice to have something, even a recipe, to take up some space.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 21, 2006, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: jdean on June 21, 2006, 01:12:40 PM
Post more than one sentence, both of you!! This board is visited so infrequently it would be nice to have something, even a recipe, to take up some space.

From Epicurious.com, Gourmet Magazine Online

CHICKEN WITH WHITE WINE AND MUSHROOMS

4 chicken breast halves with skin and bone
All purpose flour
1/4 cup olive oil
2/3 cup chopped onion
1/3 cup chopped carrot
1/3 cup chopped celery
2 tablespoons chopped Italian parsley
2 large garlic cloves, chopped
1 pound mushrooms, sliced
1 14 1/2- to 15-ounce can diced tomatoes in juice
1 cup dry white wine

Sprinkle chicken with salt and pepper; dust with flour. Heat oil in heavy large skillet over medium-high heat. Add chicken, skin side down, and sauté until brown, about 5 minutes. Turn chicken over and sauté 3 minutes. Transfer chicken to bowl. Add onion, carrot, celery, parsley and garlic to skillet; sauté 2 minutes. Add mushrooms and sauté until starting to brown, about 10 minutes. Add tomatoes with juices and wine. Boil sauce until slightly thickened, about 10 minutes. Return chicken to sauce. Cover skillet, reduce heat to medium and simmer until chicken is cooked through and tender, about 15 minutes. Transfer chicken and sauce to plates and serve.

Makes 4 servings.

:D 8) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on June 21, 2006, 05:14:17 PM
DeVos Dogs

Serves 1-2

Steam two (2) hot dogs
Place each hot dog in bun
Add equal amounts of
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2F05ddevosconstruct145.jpg&hash=d1a934c96f39212bbf00b06760cef80c404fa8f5)
Serve hot.

:D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 21, 2006, 06:15:34 PM
yesssssssss  :D  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 21, 2006, 10:24:06 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on June 21, 2006, 03:41:29 PM
From Epicurious.com, Gourmet Magazine Online

CHICKEN WITH WHITE WINE AND MUSHROOMS

Makes 4 servings.

:D 8) ;)

Ok, be honest DHF. You took this off the back of a Swanson's TV dinner box. You added the wine to give it your own personal touch. Personally, I hate to burn wine away--I'd much prefer a glass of cabernet sauvignon.

Next time maybe you could help with an hors doeuvre or a fancy potato side dish?

There is nothing like a misc. body parts of a pig sandwich
at any game (yes, even soccer)--it never fails to hit the spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 22, 2006, 04:31:02 AM
Quote from: jdean on June 21, 2006, 10:24:06 PMNext time maybe you could help with an hors doeuvre or a fancy potato side dish?

FANCY POTATO SIDE DISH

1. Go to supermarket.
2. Buy bag of potato chips.
3. Take bag home.
4. Open bag.
5. Insert hand.
6. Pull out handful of chips.
7. Eat them.
8. Repeat steps 5-7.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 22, 2006, 07:39:00 AM
A distinguished visitor comes to our board. All I had to do was invite people to post recipes and this page starts to have value again. Thanks guys. Maybe next time instructions on buying ice cream?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on June 22, 2006, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: jdean on June 22, 2006, 07:39:00 AM
Maybe next time instructions on buying ice cream?

1. Arrive at retail outlet with ice cream in stock.
2. Locate freezer with ice cream inside.
3. Choose flavor based on personal preference.
4. Take ice cream to purchase point.
5. Purchase ice cream via cash, check, charge or other applicable method per store allowance.
6. Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 22, 2006, 03:06:47 PM
Quote from: matblake on June 22, 2006, 01:50:28 PM
1. Arrive at retail outlet with ice cream in stock.
2. Locate freezer with ice cream inside.
3. Choose flavor based on [edit] the intrinsic superiority of cookies and cream.
4. Take ice cream to purchase point.
5. Purchase ice cream via cash, check, charge or other applicable method per store allowance.
6. Enjoy!

Repeat steps 1-6 at least 10 times daily.  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on June 22, 2006, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on June 22, 2006, 03:06:47 PM
3. Choose flavor based on [edit] the intrinsic superiority of cookies and cream.

Repeat steps 1-6 at least 10 times daily.  :D :D
Quote

Hmmmmmm, I wonder what a cookies and cream cookie would taste like......  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 22, 2006, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: matblake on June 22, 2006, 03:50:58 PM
Hmmmmmm, I wonder what a cookies and cream cookie would taste like......  ;D

An oreo?  :P ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 22, 2006, 10:52:08 PM
Quick, find a copyright attorney before Pat opens a D3 food board. I'm surprised no one suggested shoplifting in their trips to the grocery store. I guess basketball fans are usually pretty honest until its time to judge the refs who made the call that cost their team a W. And speaking of honesty, are you going to own up to the Swanson box caper DHF?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 23, 2006, 12:47:38 AM
dude... I supplied the website... this is silly to the degree that you would have been if you had tried to pretend you didn't watch the brittany spears interview. :P

You can tease me all you want. I know that you're just a big softie now, so nothing you can do will phase me. :P

Everyone should use that website, incidentally. You can search for recipes based on ingredients, and while I always edit recipes, the neat thing about this page is that the other cooks can leave approval ratings, and their variations for others to try.

The chicken recipe I just copied and pasted though, its exactly as is... I don't eat most meats anymore so it would be sorta difficult for me to test the waters on this one. :D

However it received a very high 3.5 fork out of 4.0 rating and looks incredible. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 23, 2006, 04:23:09 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on June 23, 2006, 12:47:38 AM
dude... I supplied the website... this is silly to the degree that you would have been if you had tried to pretend you didn't watch the brittany spears interview. :P

The chicken recipe I just copied and pasted though, its exactly as is... I don't eat most meats anymore so it would be sorta difficult for me to test the waters on this one. :D

However it received a very high 3.5 fork out of 4.0 rating and looks incredible. :)

So you can't appreciate that a B Spears interview is compelling TV, dudette? 

When you say you don't eat most meats (I don't think hot dogs pass the meat test) anymore, does that mean if it isn't in ice cream you don't eat it? People in the Midwest are normal--we eat food, anykind, and lots of it. You California radicals follow the latest fads/diets--not to lump all San Andreas Fault neighbors into one basket but you're all nuts. :D

I'm beginning to ramble because its 4 am and I can't go back to sleep. I need someone to slug me or... wait a minute. I just remembered D3's sedative--the soccer board.
ZZZZZZZZZ
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 23, 2006, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: jdean on June 23, 2006, 04:23:09 AM
So you can't appreciate that a B Spears interview is compelling TV, dudette? 
Uhm, no, definitely not.   ::) :P :D

Quote from: jdean on June 23, 2006, 04:23:09 AM
When you say you don't eat most meats (I don't think hot dogs pass the meat test) anymore, does that mean if it isn't in ice cream you don't eat it? People in the Midwest are normal--we eat food, anykind, and lots of it. You California radicals follow the latest fads/diets--not to lump all San Andreas Fault neighbors into one basket but you're all nuts. :D
I became a vegetarian while living in the midwest, and going to a christian college. So nanny nanny.  :D :D :D Southern California is totally not the most environmentally friendly part of the world. It was easier to recycle at Wheaton than it is here, among many, many other things.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 24, 2006, 12:16:34 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on June 23, 2006, 09:37:33 PM
I became a vegetarian while living in the midwest, and going to a christian college. So nanny nanny.  :D :D :D Southern California is totally not the most environmentally friendly part of the world. It was easier to recycle at Wheaton than it is here, among many, many other things.  :-\

I think its been proven by Dennis at N Park College that vegetarians are angry people and are responsible for every war that has ever been fought. :D Of course the meat eaters have to fight the wars.

Today was one of those days. We all have one of those days from time to time. Mine are today, Saturday and Sunday. I like to think of it as paying dues. I'm supposed to be having fun these three days but its more like a chore.
Ugh, I need more MEAT.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 26, 2006, 01:06:58 PM
Trivia has reached an all time low. The world record for watermelon seed spitting is 68' 9 1/8" set in 1989 in
Luling, TX. Someone want to pass the word to the Texans that they have seedless watermelons.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on June 26, 2006, 11:49:15 PM
Does anyone need a "hot" stock tip? I have dozens of "caring" people who send me emails every day (and I do mean every day) offering the latest way to make you the next Buffett. I'll be glad to share your email address with them. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 01, 2006, 12:14:11 PM
Very few come to this board to discuss basketball and no one comes here to discuss Mount basketball. Since the local paper published Mount's recruits I'll list the names of the kids you'll be beating for the next few years. Steve James,G,Cuy Falls; Stu Anglum,G/F,soph transfer from Mercyhurst; Travis Larrick,G,Brunswick; Gurpreet Singh,G,Canfield; Matt Ricci,G/F,Stow; Kyle Monceaux,G/F,Shenango,Pa; Jared Hale,C,Carlisle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2006, 01:45:13 PM
Thanks, because I am not paying $4.95 a month to access the Alliance Review Web site!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 01, 2006, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2006, 01:45:13 PM
Thanks, because I am not paying $4.95 a month to access the Alliance Review Web site!

You wouldn't want to pay $.50 to buy an issue either.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on July 06, 2006, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: jdean on June 26, 2006, 01:06:58 PM
Trivia has reached an all time low. The world record for watermelon seed spitting is 68' 9 1/8" set in 1989 in
Luling, TX. Someone want to pass the word to the Texans that they have seedless watermelons.

My suspicion is that Texans hold the records in all categories of spitting, not just those utilizing watermelon seeds.

There are lots of things that we should pass on to Texans, such as our desire that they refrain from entering national politics.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 06, 2006, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on July 06, 2006, 02:58:33 PM
There are lots of things that we should pass on to Texans, such as our desire that they refrain from entering national politics.

Does someone have deep-seated hatred for former Pres. Lyndon B Johnson?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on July 06, 2006, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: jdean on July 06, 2006, 11:21:23 PMDoes someone have deep-seated hatred for former Pres. Lyndon B Johnson?

From 40 years of perspective, LBJ sure comes off as a relatively scrupulous SOB, doesn't he?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 06, 2006, 11:57:39 PM
If they only said such nice things about Lady Bird.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 07, 2006, 05:34:11 PM
John Daly made it through 2 rounds without with-drawing and it looks like he's going to make the cut!!! Glory Glory.
For those of you who are keeping track I believe this fulfills the requirements of Revelation for the End of the World. Bad timing--we are supoosed to have a sunny weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 18, 2006, 01:05:18 PM
I guess the doomsayers were wrong about the end of the world. Wait, maybe it did end and I'm in some third dimension. That would explain why no one ever comes here to post, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 18, 2006, 05:35:45 PM
Interesting conversation linked from the top of D3hoops about former Otterbein player Gibbs. Seems to be question and comments about his height (or lack of) but there is no disputing the man could jump to the rafters. I was always amazed at the end of any game I saw him play to see his numbers. Instead of being a Lebron James, visible all over the floor, Gibbs kind of blended in but produced consistently great numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bishopsfan on July 21, 2006, 09:54:52 AM
I definitely agree that Jeff Gibbs blended in for most of the game but man oh man did he stick out when he would get a monster dunk.  He still has some of the best dunks I have ever personally witnessed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on July 25, 2006, 06:01:05 PM
For anyone interested, The Canton Repository reported Ryan Cockrill from Tuslaw HS will be attending Mount.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on August 01, 2006, 01:04:50 AM
Does that make him the 35th or 36th recruit to go to Mount??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on August 01, 2006, 10:09:08 PM
If only those recruits showed up as spectators at some of the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on August 25, 2006, 10:30:24 AM
Any recruiting news out of any of the OAC schools?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on September 26, 2006, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on August 25, 2006, 10:30:24 AM
Any recruiting news out of any of the OAC schools?

I think most of ONU, Cap and JCU's recruits are due paroles very soon.
I think Cap got the cream of the crop--MVP and slam dunk winner at the
FBI 2003 All-fugitives tourn. I'm told he plays better without handcuffs and leg irons, a lesson soon to be learned by Clarett.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on September 29, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jdean on October 03, 2006, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: fcnews on September 29, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

This is not one of the more active pages. A couple posters might venture here after the season starts so don't expect much of a response to your inquiry. Sorry
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on October 04, 2006, 01:23:58 AM
Quote from: jdean on October 03, 2006, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: fcnews on September 29, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

This is not one of the more active pages. A couple posters might venture here after the season starts so don't expect much of a response to your inquiry. Sorry

You might have better luck asking on the NCAC page, as Wittenberg is near Dayton and recruits fairly heavily there.  And it's a more active page, although primarily with Wooster fans as opposed to Witt.  Good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 05, 2006, 11:14:28 PM
Thanks Guys !!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on November 01, 2006, 08:25:22 PM
Interesting that BW was picked to win the OAC ahead of ONU but ONU is ahead of BW in the first national  preseason poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2006, 12:51:22 AM
Barely.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Wizardman on November 11, 2006, 12:49:31 PM
Quote from: bouttime on November 01, 2006, 08:25:22 PM
Interesting that BW was picked to win the OAC ahead of ONU but ONU is ahead of BW in the first national  preseason poll.

Yeah, I dn't know how ONU got placed ahead there, lol.
Then again I haven't really looked at basketball at all yet, I'll need to educate myself on the goigs-on currently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on November 18, 2006, 07:11:49 AM
 :) Good to see Otterbein win their first road game of the year, 56-55 (OT). I'm not too impressed by the point total, but they gave up only 17 second half points to a Gettysburg team that I know has had some successful seasons in recent years. Ott's 1st seven games are on the road, so hopefully they can improve upon last year's 3-road win total.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 27, 2006, 09:14:01 AM
Hello?           Hello?          Hello?          Hello?

chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 27, 2006, 01:01:06 PM
JCU actually played Cleveland State pretty tough last week.  I'm excited about the Streaks this year.  Don't be surprised if they make a run at the OAC title.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2006, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 27, 2006, 01:01:06 PM
JCU actually played Cleveland State pretty tough last week.  I'm excited about the Streaks this year.  Don't be surprised if they make a run at the OAC title.
I noticed that JCU beat Emory & Henry by a measly 7 points this weekend.  Mt. Union beat the Wasps by 20 earlier this season at Wooster, and I came away thinking that E&H was horrible.  But they play the "system" style, and it produces some flukey results that make the score-comparison game even trickier than usual.

I attended the OAC/NCAC Challenge doubleheaders this weekend, and have posted extensive comments on the NCAC page (albeit more focused on Kenyon and Denison than on Capital and Muskingum.)  In a nutshell, I was very impressed by Muskingum, although I wonder how they'll fare against a good team with size.  Musky starts 4 guards and 6'6" senior Jason Dicken.  Dicken hurt something on his leg in the Denison game, and didn't return; then he started the next day against Kenyon but didn't seem to be part of the game plan.  I don't know if that's normal for Musky or if it's injury-related.  The guards they have, though, make a four-guard set perfectly reasonable.  Brandon Todd is a player.  It seems like everything he shoots finds the net, no matter how crazily off-balance it is.  And if you leave him open at the arc for a nanosecond, you lose three points.  He and Wooster's James Cooper are the best guards I've seen this year...and Cooper's a first team preseason All-American.  Musky also has a freshman guard, Pat Byrne, like Todd from Cambridge H.S., who is fearless in driving to the hoop and also has a sweet outside shot.  They also have an outside scoring threat in sophomore Trevor Scott.  Despite having no size whatsoever (except on the bench, where languish two players who would be taller than 6'8" if they were permitted to stand), they rebound very well--at least against the likes of Denison and Kenyon, who are taller if not more athletic.  With their shooting skills and aggressive, athletic defense, they'll be tough to beat.

Capital also has a standout player, 6'5" junior post Steve Kyser.  He was unstoppable this weekend, grabbing 18 rebounds and dropping 53 points on the NCACers from spots ranging from the backboard to the top of the key.  Unlike Todd, however, he had little help.  Against Kenyon, Kyser was a one-man band in what was a truly ugly game.  Against Denison, he got 21 points' worth of help from sophomore Ryan Wood, many of those on wide-open jumpers that were open because of the focus given to Kyser.  I'm somewhat less optimistic about Capital's chances against their OAC foes, although they should be competitive. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: andrewhope on November 28, 2006, 04:58:45 PM
 GO HOPE                       VCVVDXFG VIXIN BLIS DONOR
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on November 29, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on October 04, 2006, 01:23:58 AM
Quote from: jdean on October 03, 2006, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: fcnews on September 29, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

I can shed a little light on this post.  Those guys are not from Dayton.  They are from Springfield, the HOME OF THE WITTENBERG TIGERS.  Dayton just happens to be the closest bigger city to Springfield.  My dad happens to live in the Kenton Ridge district.

However, since they didn't go to Witt, I must confess that I have never heard of 'em.

I would bet if you are a baseball fan, you have heard of some Kenton Ridge graduates, though.

Dave Burba, Rick White, and Dustin Hermanson, major league pitchers of some repute, all played high school ball at Kenton Ridge.

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By the way, where is Fontbonne Univ anyway?  Is it really F.U.?  It seems that there is (are?) the makings of a cheer in there somewhere.  :D

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hello to my new friends from Hope from last season.

TigerFan_1973

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on November 29, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: TigerFan_1973 on November 29, 2006, 09:09:33 PM

Hello to my new friends from Hope from last season.

TigerFan_1973


Whoops.  I thought I was on the MIAA board.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 29, 2006, 11:53:03 PM
Just wanted to try and create some discussion about the upcoming OAC bb season.  Does anyone have an opinion about the order of finish before things get started this weekend?  I know what the polls have said but how often are they right? There are two undefeated teams going into conference play--ONU and Etta but they are likely to finish on opposite ends of the OAC.  And what's with BW??  3-1 with a couple of close calls already. Do they deserve top billing?  Is JCU and its new batch of recruits for real?  Does tricky Dick down at Ott have something up his sleeve this year? How about Mount and their 35 new recruits? For what it's worth, this is my order of finish---ONU, Musky, Cap, JCU, BW, Berg, Ott, Mount, Etta, and Wilmington.  Any other ideas??  Let's get some chatter going in anticipation of another great OAC bb season.  To me, it looks like the league is better all around with maybe only ONU as a standout team.  Thoughts???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2006, 03:29:22 AM
Quote from: TigerFan_1973 on November 29, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on October 04, 2006, 01:23:58 AM
Quote from: jdean on October 03, 2006, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: fcnews on September 29, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
Just a question about a couple of Ohio H.S. players. Fontbonne Univ. has two kids fro Dayton this year. Adam Hiles and Brady Hosemann from Kenton Ridge HS. Anybody know anything about these players. Thanks in advance.

I can shed a little light on this post.  Those guys are not from Dayton.  They are from Springfield, the HOME OF THE WITTENBERG TIGERS.  Dayton just happens to be the closest bigger city to Springfield.  My dad happens to live in the Kenton Ridge district.

However, since they didn't go to Witt, I must confess that I have never heard of 'em.

I would bet if you are a baseball fan, you have heard of some Kenton Ridge graduates, though.

Dave Burba, Rick White, and Dustin Hermanson, major league pitchers of some repute, all played high school ball at Kenton Ridge.

------- PG-13 Warning-----------------
By the way, where is Fontbonne Univ anyway?  Is it really F.U.?  It seems that there is (are?) the makings of a cheer in there somewhere.  :D

Inquiring minds want to know.
------- END PG-13 Section ----------

Hello to my new friends from Hope from last season.

TigerFan_1973



Fontbonne University is in St. Louis. It's a member of the SLIAC (St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference), which is in D3's Midwest Region.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 30, 2006, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: bouncer1 on November 29, 2006, 11:53:03 PM
For what it's worth, this is my order of finish---ONU, Musky, Cap, JCU, BW, Berg, Ott, Mount, Etta, and Wilmington.  Any other ideas??  Let's get some chatter going in anticipation of another great OAC bb season.  To me, it looks like the league is better all around with maybe only ONU as a standout team.  Thoughts???
bouncer, I'll join in on the chatter.  I'm an NCAC guy, but I follow the OAC closely due to Wooster's former ties with your conference and our recent competive games against JCU and B-W and even ONU a few years back.  Your predicted order of finish is interesting.  I agree with you that ONU seems to be the team to beat, but placing Musky and Cap ahead of B-W and JCU?  Personally, I see JCU being the darkhorse team this year.  Yes, they already have 2 losses, but they are both to DI schools (Loyola, Chi. and CSU).  Brandon Mimes is back for the Blue Streaks and he should present a tremendous lift to this team having him back.  As for B-W, they seem to not be firing on all cylanders just yet.  Will that change as the season progresses remains to be seen.  I don't really know too much about Cap and Musky, but from what David Collinge reported after the NCAC/OAC challenge, he didn't seem too impressed with Cap.  He did say he was  impressed with the fish, however.  Also, take into consideration that they faced 2 teams from the NCAC that will be lucky to finish in the top half of the conference in Kenyon and Denison, so maybe Cap was just playing down to the competition. 

Overall, on paper at least, it looks like the OAC is Northern's to lose.  But the OAC never seems to go according to script and it appears to be as deep and as talented as it always is.  Good luck to all the OAC teams this season and I know I for one am looking forward to the showdown between Wooster and ONU Wooster's holiday tournament on Dec. 29th!  That game could go a long way in determining hosting of tournament games come March!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 30, 2006, 03:02:55 PM
Both JCU and B-WC have posted some scores that make me wonder about them.  JCU beat Emory & Henry 119-112; Mt. Union beat those same Wasps 103-83 at Wooster, and made the Wasps look horrible in the process.  I grant you that E&H may have improved since that season-opening train wreck.  B-WC beat Olivet 74-71 and Oberlin 81-66 (after leading by just 2 at the half.)  Now, maybe the O's are better this year than normal.  Still I'd expect a top 5 national team playing at home to wipe up the gym with the likes of Olivet and Oberlin.  (By the way, I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that the Jackets lost only 82 vote-points in the Week 1 poll; that's the equivalent of being moved down ballot slightly more than 3 places by the average voter, from about 11th-12th to about 14th-15th.  I guess the voters were more forgiving of those close home wins than I am.)

I don't really want to pass judgement on teams I've not seen based on comparative scores of games I've not seen, but as of now I don't think it's far-fetched to put Muskingum and maybe even Capital (as well as ONU, of course) ahead of JCU and B-WC.  Whether they'll finish that way is another question.  I doubt that any OAC coach will take B-WC lightly just because Olivet played them to a near-tie. 

Capital was fairly impressive against Denison, and pretty stinky against Kenyon.  But they also took Wittenberg to double OT and stayed with a pretty good OWU team for most of the game last night.  I think the jury's still out of the Crusaders.  They host Baldwin-Wallace on Saturday, which should be an interesting game, to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 30, 2006, 11:30:15 PM
How about some predictions for opening night in the OAC.  Games are Ott @ JCU,  Berg @ Wilm,  Musky @ Mount, BW @ Cap, and Etta @ ONU.   My predictions are JCU over Ott, Berg over Wilm, Musky over Mount, Cap over BW, and ONU over Etta.  Anyone else want to get in on the predictions.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 01, 2006, 12:17:43 AM
bouncer1 -- based on some observations of OAC teams/players the last couple of years, my top 5 order of finish this season would be:

Ohio Northern - deepest team in the league and Greg Badenhop is superb

Baldwin-Wallace - assumes Tori Davis stays healthy.  He is money in the lane.
Sekerak and Schuler can score if you double team Davis.

JCU - Brandon Mimes is back and he is very tough in the paint.  Pete Moran should be the #2 scorer and the Blue Streaks will be a factor in the race

Capital - Crusaders may pull some upset wins vs. top 3 this season

Otterbein - have gotten off to a decent start this season

Don't know enough to rank the rest of the teams accurately

As ScotsFan noted, Ohio Northern will play at Wooster in the Mose Hole Classic at the end of December.  Should be a great game between the Polar Bears and Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 02, 2006, 08:39:37 PM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on December 01, 2006, 12:17:43 AM
Capital - Crusaders may pull some upset wins vs. top 3 this season

F'rinstance:
Capital 93, Baldwin-Wallace 85
B-WC is now 3-2 (0-1).  Rocky start, to say the least.  Capital moves to 3-2, 1-0.

Elsewhere:
ONU (5-0, 1-0) 80, Marietta (2-1, 0-1) 50
Heidelberg (3-3, 1-0) 90, Wilmington (3-2, 0-1) 78
JCU (4-2, 1-0) 86, Otterbein (3-2, 0-1) 77

Muskingum (4-0) at Mt. Union (2-1) is probably finishing up right about now.


UPDATE:
Mt. Union (3-1, 1-0) 71, Muskingum (4-1, 0-1) 64
Grapes hold Fish to 34% shooting, including a woeful 4-19 from Brandon Todd.  Todd played the entire 40 minutes; I guess they'll sink or swim with his performance.  Muskies actually had 16 more field goal attempts and lost; that's tough to do if you're not Grinnell.  Mt. Union shot just 64% from the line (21/33) and won; that's tough to do no matter who you are.  Box score. (http://www.muc.edu/layout/set/print/athletics/men_s_teams/basketball/2006_07_box_scores/muskingum_vs_mount_union_12_02_06_at_timken_gymnasium)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2006, 11:50:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 27, 2006, 01:42:17 PM
I attended the OAC/NCAC Challenge doubleheaders this weekend, [...] In a nutshell, I was very impressed by Muskingum, [...]  Brandon Todd is a player.  It seems like everything he shoots finds the net, no matter how crazily off-balance it is. 

:-[ Wow, scratch all of that above.   :-[

Just back from the JCU/Musky game, won by JCU 81-74.  I wonder if Jor-El explained to his infant son that, although he might be Superman on Earth, back home he's just one of the guys.  Brandon Todd needs to hear that lecture.  Everything he tried worked like magic against Denison and Kenyon, but Deni-Keny ain't the OAC.  I noticed from the box score that he stank up the joint at Mt. Union
Quote from: David Collinge on December 02, 2006, 08:39:37 PM
Grapes hold Fish to 34% shooting, including a woeful 4-19 from Brandon Todd.
and tonight was no different.  Todd sank just 6 of 19 attempts, most of them of the drive, spin, cut, jump, double-pump, underhand toss variety.  He's now shooting just .365 on the season (and he was 20 of 37 against Deni-Keny), but nevertheless he's heaved up 38 attempts in his first two OAC games.  In his defense, Muskingum doesn't seem to have a lot of shooters, aside from Trevor Scott, and Scott had a very tough time getting open looks tonight (although he managed to shoot 6/13 for 20 points.)  Still, Todd took about 1/3 of his team's field goal attempts, and on at least several of them it was obvious to all from the inbounds pass that he was going to drive and (for lack of a better word) shoot come hell or high water.  Muskingum had just 5 assists on 23 field goals tonight (Todd is the PG), and that's the main reason they lost. 

JCU was cruising throughout the first half, holding a 17-point halftime lead.  Brandon Mimes (25 pts., 16 rebs., 2 blocks, 2 steals) was doing pretty much whatever he wanted.  The second half was downright ugly.  In the second half, there were just 23 successful field goal attempts, and 36 fouls.  Musky committed its 10th foul, putting JCU in the double-bonus, with 13:41 remaining in the game.  JCU returned the favor about 2 1/2 minutes later.  Watching 49 free throw attempts in 20 minutes is bad enough, but only 36 of them were good, and that was even worse.  JCU's Derek Smith even airballed one of 'em.  But the biggest culprit here was Brandon Mimes.  As JCU had little difficulty getting the ball inside to Mimes, he wore out a path to the line.  But he was just 7 for 16 from the stripe, including a 2 for 7 performance in the first 6 1/2 minutes of the second half when JCU should have been putting the game away.  The poor free-throw shooting brought both the Muskies and the crowd (1758) back to life, and with accurate free-throw shooting (19/22 in the 2nd), they managed to get the lead all the way down to 2 with 4:52 left.  Then Brandon Todd took over.  In the next 2:49, he went 0-3 and committed a foul.  When his teammates could wrest the ball from his possession, they were 1-2, with Scott canning a trey to keep the Muskies in the game.  But JCU finally figured out that tricky foul-shooting thing, going 10 for 10 in the last 2:03 to pull away to the 7-point win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2006, 11:58:20 PM
So, here's the scores.

JCU (5-2, 2-0) 81, Muskingum (4-2, 0-2) 74
Capital (4-2, 2-0) 83, Wilmington (3-3, 0-2) 76
Ohio Northern (6-0, 2-0) 75, Heidelberg (3-4, 1-1) 70
Otterbein (4-2, 1-1) 61, Marietta (2-2, 0-2) 55
Mt. Union (4-1, 1-0) 81, Hiram (0-4) 54
Baldwin-Wallace (3-2, 0-1) was idle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 07, 2006, 12:00:09 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 06, 2006, 11:58:20 PM
Mt. Union (4-1, 1-0) 81, Hiram (0-4) 54
Baldwin-Wallace (3-2, 0-1) was idle.

Apparently Hiram was also.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 07, 2006, 05:15:00 PM
JCU looks like they're playing pretty good ball.  They're undefeated against Division 3.  Hopefully sometime soon I'll have some time to actually catch a game instead of reading recaps and looking at boxscores.  Thanks for the info everybody.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: x3x4bsb on December 09, 2006, 11:27:13 PM
Looks as though all of the hype about ONU "owning" the OAC was just that.  I can handle a blip in the schedule hadn't they lost to B-W in Ada today by 16 in a game they were never really in.  Guess Cap and JCU are the two clubs to step to the forfront of the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 10, 2006, 02:04:32 PM
JCU (6-2, 3-0) 80, Capital (4-3, 2-1) 72
Heidelberg (4-4, 2-1) 68, Mt. Union (4-2, 1-1) 61
Baldwin-Wallace (4-2, 1-1) 94, Ohio Northern (6-1, 2-1) 77
Wilmington (4-3, 1-2) 75, Marietta (2-3, 0-3) 64
Otterbein (5-2, 2-1) 95, Muskingum (4-3, 0-3) 84

Sole possession of 1st place for JCU.  Congratulations to Dick Reynolds on recording his 600th win at Otterbein!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 13, 2006, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2006, 05:15:00 PM
JCU looks like they're playing pretty good ball.  They're undefeated against Division 3.  Hopefully sometime soon I'll have some time to actually catch a game instead of reading recaps and looking at boxscores.  Thanks for the info everybody.

JCU interests me.  I don't honestly know very much about them, and I suspect that that feeling is shared by most of the voters in the d3hoops.com poll, at this point, or else I couldn't quite explain how they only received 5 total vote points in this week's poll.  JCU remains unbeaten against d3 opponets, while B-W, with 2 d3 losses to unranked opponets, garnered 53 votes.  What B-W does have, though, is a signature win that showed how good they can/should be, by beating ONU on ONU's court this weekend.   I'm guessing that if JCU could land a similar win against ONU or B-W we'll see them quickly rise in the polls.  I suspect that d3hoops voters feel that we just don't know how good JCU is yet, and it looks like they have maybe only one more challenging non-conference matchup in Christopher Newport.  The two losses to non-d3 teams doesn't help the d3 voters size them up.

Based on the early results, JCU could play the same role in the OAC this year that Ohio Wesleyan could play in the NCAC- spoiler.  The Blue Streaks will do well to avoid following the Bishop's lead too closely- the Streaks will not want losses like OWU's @ Allegheny one on their record
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 13, 2006, 12:20:56 AM
Now that  Brandon Mimes is back playing for JCU it wouldn't surprise me at all to see JCU at the top of the OAC heap at years end.  He is one seriously good ball player.  The kind of player that changes a teams fortunes........see JCU '05 vs JCU '06.

Unfortunately the style JCU chooses to play often lends itself to very ugly displays of basketball, if you can get past the frequent trips to the FT line and the extrememly physical play you'll notice a pretty good system that Coach Moran has going.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 13, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
Thanks for the mini-scouting report, sac!  I'm going to try to catch JCU when they come down to Columbus to play Capital or Otterbein.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on December 13, 2006, 05:26:41 PM
I wonder if they even use a ball when JCU and Capital get together.  I see it more as a steel cage (they used to actually play basketball inside courts that were enclosed by wired fences, hence the name "cagers") match, lots of blood and guts, with whichever team has the last man standing declared the winner. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 13, 2006, 06:53:25 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on December 13, 2006, 05:26:41 PM
I wonder if they even use a ball when JCU and Capital get together.  I see it more as a steel cage (they used to actually play basketball inside courts that were enclosed by wired fences, hence the name "cagers") match, lots of blood and guts, with whichever team has the last man standing declared the winner. :)
Actually, I think what we saw from their football game this past fall will more closely resemble what you'll see from these 2 basketball teams when they hook up. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 16, 2006, 06:23:23 PM
Looks like the OAC is going to be its typical fight to the finish with John Carroll getting knocked off today by Wilmington...Cap is looking decent at the moment but I don't see a dominant team in the Conference this year. ONU got a Win today at Mount Union, and while their defense remains their hallmark, their shooting percentage has been disappointing. ONU has a stiff test coming up Tuesday against Witt....a win there could give them a much needed boost in confidence.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on December 19, 2006, 10:59:34 AM
Just curious to hear from any ONU fans about thoughts on the game tonight against Wittenberg...  I assume all the students are on break so there probably won't be that packed of a house tonight.  It's too bad because this should be an interesting game.  Is there any way to listen to it on-line??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 19, 2006, 11:23:01 AM
division3hoops,

Here is a link to the Witt Webcast (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/sportsnetwork/).

I couldn't find a link for an ONU webcast.

Hope this helps you out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 19, 2006, 11:44:57 AM
Is the Marietta vs Bridgewater game on radio or the internet?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on December 19, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
Thanks ScotsFan.  I will definitely check that out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 19, 2006, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on December 19, 2006, 11:44:57 AM
Is the Marietta vs Bridgewater game on radio or the internet?
Sorry, I couldn't find a link.  It looks like Marietta uses Stretch which is the same as Wittenberg, but it doesn't look like they broadcast all of their games over the internet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 19, 2006, 01:51:26 PM
Thanks for looking though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 19, 2006, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on December 13, 2006, 05:26:41 PM
I wonder if they even use a ball when JCU and Capital get together.  I see it more as a steel cage (they used to actually play basketball inside courts that were enclosed by wired fences, hence the name "cagers") match, lots of blood and guts, with whichever team has the last man standing declared the winner. :)

Sorry to get in late, but I couldn't agree more.  It seems like there is some genuine dislike between the two programs.  I know that JCU has complained about Capital's tactic of taking an unreal amount of time to get the ball in (they will let the ball sit on the baseline after a play until a referee gives it to them after a lot of baskets) on several occasions.  Technicals abound in these contests.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on December 19, 2006, 11:20:12 PM
ONU wins a huge game tonight over Wittenberg 68-51. This is a huge win for ONU because they havent played very welll against BW and Mt. Union. Hopefully ONU can use this win as momentum as they look ahead to #1 Wooster on Dec. 29th.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 19, 2006, 11:32:13 PM
AMEN
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 22, 2006, 06:05:14 PM
Attention:  Those planning to attend the Mose Hole Classic next weekend in Wooster, OH, featuring Wooster, Calvin, UW-La Crosse, and Ohio Northern:

Two brief announcements:

1. In lieu of admission to the "Mose" Hole/Kiwanis Classic, fans can bring in two new or gently-used clothing items for one ticket, four clothing items for two tickets, etc. The clothing items will benefit Goodwill Industries of Wayne and Holmes counties.  (This is from the Wooster web site. (http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/default.php)  I presume that one ticket is for one session, i.e. Friday or Saturday but not both, but I'm not sure.  Bring four gently-used items just to be sure; Goodwill can certainly use them!  :))

2.  Some of us are planning to gather at the Olde Jaol Tavern Brewing Co. downtown on Saturday afternoon, prior to the consolation game.  I hope I can persuade Pat Coleman, publisher of D3Hoops.com and D3Football.com, to join us there.  So if you want to say hello to Pat and some of your fellow posters (and lurkers), please plan to join us.  I figure I'll be there around 3pm for a late lunch.  The Olde Jaol is at 155 W. North St., at the corner of Walnut, and can be reached at 330-262-3333.  Here's a link to a Yahoo! map (http://maps.yahoo.com/index.php#mvt=m&gid1=29217420&q1=155+W.+North+St.%2C+Wooster%2C+OH+44691&trf=0&lon=-81.941228&lat=40.799387&mag=4), or you can PM me for driving directions.  Hope to see you there!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2006, 07:05:57 PM
Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouttime on December 29, 2006, 09:34:55 PM
Ohio Northern beats Wooster on the road in the 1st round of the Mose Hole Classic 91-84. The game was very fast paced and as Pat and Jared said, "game of the year material." Pat and Jared also did an excellent job with the broadcast and I look foward to listening to the final between Northern and UW-LaCrosse.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 29, 2006, 11:42:36 PM
Congrats to ONU for their win over Wooster tonight!  The game was definately a playoff type of atmosphere and intensity (at one point late in the 2nd half the officials actually made both teams huddle together and warn them to simmer down) and it totally lived up to the expectations.  ONU has a very talented and deep basketball team.  They won the game tonight on the boards and they outhustled the Scots to most of the loose balls.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see the path to Salem going through either Ada or Wooster with the quality of basketball that was on display tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 02, 2007, 10:27:55 PM
Big game tomorrow in the OAC with JCU and BW going at it.  This is the second year in a row that the home game for JCU has been scheduled during Christmas break for the students.  This makes zero sense.  When the students are around, the atmosphere for the JCU/BW games (at Carroll anyway) is electric.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 03, 2007, 09:54:20 PM
Final from New Concord - ONU 69  Muskingum 57
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 04, 2007, 10:28:30 AM
Final from Cleveland Heights:

B-W - 80
JCU - 73

Congrats to Tori Davis who, with his 18 points scored last night, moved up 2 spots on B-W's all time scoring list to 3rd with 1,873 points.  He currently trails his older brother Thad by just 48 points to take over 2nd on the list.  And he only trails B-W's all-time scoring leader, Dean Martin ('69-'73) by 189 points to become the schools all-time leading scorer!

Seeing that Tori is currently averaging just over 20 ppg, with 12 regular season games left, plus OAC tournament and possibly NCAA tournament games, I see no reason, if Tori stays healthy, that this record shouldn't fall!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 04, 2007, 10:28:30 AM
Congrats to Tori Davis who, with his 18 points scored last night, moved up 2 spots on B-W's all time scoring list to 3rd with 1,873 points.  He currently trails his older brother Thad by just 48 points to take over 2nd on the list.  And he only trails B-W's all-time scoring leader, Dean Martin ('69-'73) by 189 points to become the schools all-time leading scorer!

Yes, but can Tori Davis shoot while holding a martini glass?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 04, 2007, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 04, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
Yes, but can Tori Davis shoot while holding a martini glass?  :D
I figured as much from you David! ;)  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2007, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 04, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 04, 2007, 10:28:30 AM
Congrats to Tori Davis who, with his 18 points scored last night, moved up 2 spots on B-W's all time scoring list to 3rd with 1,873 points.  He currently trails his older brother Thad by just 48 points to take over 2nd on the list.  And he only trails B-W's all-time scoring leader, Dean Martin ('69-'73) by 189 points to become the schools all-time leading scorer!

Yes, but can Tori Davis shoot while holding a martini glass?  :D

Dino drank highballs, not martinis.

(Probably because it's easier to dribble a basketball without spilling anything if you're drinking out of a highball glass.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 05, 2007, 11:12:32 AM
Tough game for Carroll.  BW's 2-3 really shut down the paint.  Carroll didn't play a very good game but managed to keep it close so I'm optomistic for the next match up.  Also, I'll say it again...when is this game going to stop being scheduled on Christmas break?  Just because BW never fills up more than half of their cavernous gym doesn't mean you need to take away the home court advantage that a packed DeCarlo Center gives the Streaks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2007, 03:42:14 PM
Capital is outplaying ONU in the first half at Ada, and the PBs are in foul trouble to boot, but they're far from out of it.  Crusaders lead 35-24 at the half.  Badenhop had 0 points in the first half. 

UPDATE:  ONU scores the first 5 points of the second half to cut the lead to 35-29.
UPDATE:  47-34 Cap., 12:21 left.  Gehle with 18 for ONU, it seems he's keeping the PB's in the game.
UPDATE:  Capital leads 53-44, 9:00 left, and the ONU announcers are displeased with the officiating.  The WONB webcast include a live video feed of the studio, where the student working the board seems somewhat less than interested in the game.  It's a little voyeuristic; I hope he doesn't do anything embarrassing. :)
UPDATE:  Gehle sinks a 3 to close the gap to 58-53, under 6:00 left.  Gehle has 24 points.  Now Cannan scores on the back door, and ONU is within 3 for the first time since I tuned in.  Timeout, Capital, 4:54 left.
UPDATE:  The ONU announcers have lost patience with the officials.  ONU is plagued with turnoveritis, and Capital has reopened their lead, now up to 10 points with 2:50 left.
UPDATE:  ONU is fouling now, and the crowd is leaving.  Capital is going to pull off the upset.
UPDATE:  Capital wins, 68-57.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2007, 05:51:43 PM
B-W wins at Muskingum 74-61.  B-W and Capital are now tied for the conference lead at 5-1; ONU one game back at 4-2, to be joined by the Heidelberg/Otterbein winner and JCU if they can beat Marietta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 06, 2007, 07:04:20 PM
And the topsy turvy world that is the OAC continues... :o

Who would've guessed that B-W would now be tied with Cap for the lead in this conference after today?  And B-W has already won @ONU and @JCU so it appears that they might be a tad in the driver's seat???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 06, 2007, 07:21:34 PM
After a couple down years, it would appear the OAC is re-establishing itself as the best league in the Great Lakes Region.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 06, 2007, 10:21:15 PM
All the OAC 1/6 Final Scores:

Capital 68  Ohio Northern 57 (corrected the typo, Cap had 68)
Baldwin-Wallace 74  Muskie 61
John Carroll 87  Marietta 71
Heidelberg 95  Otterbein 77
Wilmington 80  Mount Union 60

Cap and BW are both 5-1
ONU, JCU and Heidelberg are all 4-2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 06, 2007, 11:32:41 PM
I never would've guessed that Heide woud be tied with ONU and JCU for 2nd in the conference at this point in the season?! :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 06, 2007, 11:48:23 PM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on January 06, 2007, 10:21:15 PM
All the OAC 1/6 Final Scores:

Capital 58  Ohio Northern 57

Cap and BW are both 5-1
ONU, JCU and Heidelberg are all 4-2

wooscotsfan, that's Capital 68, Ohio Northern 57, I think.  ONU's second double-digit loss at home this year.  Maybe they should stick to road games, with wins at Witt and at Woo already!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 06, 2007, 11:52:44 PM
No, the Witt win was in Ada.

Heidelberg's 3-2 consists of wins over Musky, MUC, and Ott, the latter two on the road, and losses to ONU and Capital, both at home.  I'd be surprised if they hang near the top much longer, as they have JCU, B-WC, and ONU among their next five opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 07, 2007, 10:53:30 AM
Congrats to Baldwin-Wallace Coach Steve Bankson who picked up his 400th careeer win last night!  :)  He has coached 27 seasons at B-W.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 07, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
sac-what two NCAC teams are in the top 10 again?
what OAC team made the final four last year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2007, 10:46:33 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on January 07, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
sac-what two NCAC teams are in the top 10 again?
what OAC team made the final four last year?

Two great teams does not a solid conference make.  Until some folks start CONSISTENTLY challenging Woo and Witt, the NCAC will be the Big Ten of the 70s - the Big Two and the Little Eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 08, 2007, 12:22:19 AM
I had alittle to much time on my hands today so i was looking at the NCAC's record vs. the OAC this season. I wasn't at all surprised to see that the OAC dominated winning 12 of the 16 games played this year between the 2 leauges. I didnt look back any further then this year but i'm willing to bet its been about the same for atleast the last 4 or 5 years. Witt and Wooster are very good teams and would probably finish in the top 5 of the OAC but top to bottom there is no comparison between the 2 leauges. This years Muskingum team is a perfect example. 0-6 in leauge play so far and tied for last but they have 3 wins against NCAC schools this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 03:29:05 AM
Quote from: Basketball23 on January 08, 2007, 12:22:19 AMWitt and Wooster are very good teams and would probably finish in the top 5 of the OAC

"Probably"? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 08, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2007, 03:29:05 AM
Quote from: Basketball23 on January 08, 2007, 12:22:19 AMWitt and Wooster are very good teams and would probably finish in the top 5 of the OAC

"Probably"? ???

I think they would both finish in the top five!  What wouldn't happen, however, was guarantee a spot for the the two of them in the league championship game year in and year out.  I've said for the past few years that the NCAC might as well eliminate the conference tournament and save Witt and Wooster the risk of injury in meaningless games.  I wish there was a place where I could put some money on who would make the NCAC championship game before the season...I'd be a rich man.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 08, 2007, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: Toph on January 08, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
I think they would both finish in the top five!  What wouldn't happen, however, was guarantee a spot for the the two of them in the league championship game year in and year out.  I've said for the past few years that the NCAC might as well eliminate the conference tournament and save Witt and Wooster the risk of injury in meaningless games.  I wish there was a place where I could put some money on who would make the NCAC championship game before the season...I'd be a rich man.

You might get rich betting on Wooster, which has been in the last 10 title games (probably not, since the odds would be so small), but betting on Witt is a more risky proposition.  Witt has faced Wooster in the last three title games, but was in only ("only") 3 of the prior 7, the same number as Allegheny over that span. 

Basketball23, rest assured that you won't find any serious argument against the proposition that the OAC is a deeper and stronger league top-to-bottom, and has been that way pretty much every year since the Five Colleges of Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Colleges_of_Ohio) left to form the NCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 08, 2007, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: sac on January 06, 2007, 07:21:34 PM
After a couple down years, it would appear the OAC is re-establishing itself as the best league in the Great Lakes Region.
When were the down years?  Even if you consider the last couple of years down years, it would still be tough to argue another conference in the GL Region as being tougher top to bottom than the OAC. 

Quote from: pennstghs on January 07, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
sac-what two NCAC teams are in the top 10 again?
what OAC team made the final four last year?
This isn't really a valid argument either.  Bball23 puts it in perspective with the overall record of the OAC vs. the NCAC and that includes ONU going 2-0 vs. Witt and Woo and the Ploar Bears aren't even in 1st place in the OAC anymore. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 08, 2007, 01:07:22 PM
Statistically speaking the MIAA was the top rated conference in the Great Lakes for the last 3 years.  OAC #2  NCAC #3.  Non-conf wins and L's included.

The OAC has been a little off its game the last couple years, that seems to be changing this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 09, 2007, 05:41:33 PM
i guess we'll ahve to wait for the NCAA tournament to settle this little argument
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 09, 2007, 06:53:10 PM
Not so much an argument as an observation......and opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on January 09, 2007, 05:41:33 PM
i guess we'll ahve to wait for the NCAA tournament to settle this little argument

I don't think that will settle it.  Yes, two teams from the NCAC are going to get in (barring injury or Van de Veldian collapse), and those two teams probably will have some success, but that doesn't make the NCAC a better conference than the OAC.  The only thing that would truly "settle" it, I suppose was to match each team up and have them play...but I think even the biggest fan of the NCAC knows that that would most likely end in a very lopsided OAC victory...after all Wittenberg and Wooster can only win so many games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 10, 2007, 02:40:22 PM
+K for the Jean Van De Velde reference. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 10, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on January 09, 2007, 05:41:33 PM
i guess we'll ahve to wait for the NCAA tournament to settle this little argument

I don't think that will settle it.  Yes, two teams from the NCAC are going to get in (barring injury or Van de Veldian collapse), and those two teams probably will have some success, but that doesn't make the NCAC a better conference than the OAC.  The only thing that would truly "settle" it, I suppose was to match each team up and have them play...but I think even the biggest fan of the NCAC knows that that would most likely end in a very lopsided OAC victory...after all Wittenberg and Wooster can only win so many games.

...and Ohio Northern beat them both this year.

Any way you slice it, the OAC is the better league.  They're deeper and more competitive than the NCAC by all accounts.  The top of the NCAC is often as good or better than the top of the OAC, but ONU has at least put that into question this year.  Furthermore, the OAC has been every bit as successful as the NCAC in the NCAA tournament in recent years.  Witt finished 2nd last year, and Wooster 3rd in 2003, but Otterbein won the 2002 title, and JCU finished 3rd in 2005...beating both Wooster and Wittenberg along the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2007, 03:51:27 PM
Quotebeating both Wooster and Wittenberg along the way

*cough* AT Wittenberg (2 years in a row) and AT Wooster I might add *cough*.  Sorry, something in my throat.  Carry on.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 04:08:43 PM
Sorry if this NCAC fan didn't praise the OAC loudly enough to suit you, Toph.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 10, 2007, 04:24:54 PM
We could talk about JCU's bad season last year or the fact that Wittenberg won the national championship only to lose it in the final seconds if that suits you better.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 10, 2007, 10:10:47 PM
Final from Wilmington - Polar Bears 63   Quakers 62
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 10, 2007, 10:14:51 PM
All the 1/10 OAC Final Scores:

Ohio Northern 63  Wilmington 62
Mount Union 84  Capital 74 (Cap is upset at home)
Otterbein 83  Baldwin-Wallace 74 (B-W is upset at home)
Heidelberg 84  John Carroll 80
Marietta 63  Musky 51

Now have a 4 way tie for first place with ONU, Cap, B-W and the Berg all at 5-2 in OAC play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 10, 2007, 10:47:15 PM
Whew, glad we do a pick-em for the NCAC...this league would drive me up a wall!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 11:13:17 PM
Oh, come on, scotsbrod, EVERYONE knew that Heidelberg was the team to beat in the OAC this season!  ;) :D :o :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2007, 12:11:51 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 11:13:17 PM
Oh, come on, scotsbrod, EVERYONE knew that Heidelberg was the team to beat in the OAC this season!  ;) :D :o :)

I must have missed that memo.   ::)

:)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 11, 2007, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on January 10, 2007, 10:14:51 PM
Mount Union 84  Capital 74 (Cap is upset at home)
For those of you out there who like to say that Team A beat Team B and Team B beat Team C so Team A must be better than Team C, this score just goes to show, comparing scores doesn't work much.  Wooster beat MUC by 25 in the opening weekend of the season.  Capital beats ONU last weekend by 11 in Ada.  MUC then goes to Cap and slaps a 10 point loss on the Crusaders.  Meanwhile, ONU beat Wooster at Timken over the Holidays?!  Go figure??? ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 11, 2007, 12:04:37 PM
Playing the who beat who game to try and determine which team is the best is an exercise in futility. Some nights a team brings their "A" game and some nights they don't. It is as simple as that. Great teams just bring their "A" game with greater consistency than merely "good" teams. The real mystery in life is that in almost any sporting event, be it individual sporting events such as golf or tennis or team events such as football or basketball even the participants never know until the "game is on" which level of their game they have with them that particular time out...How  often have you participated in an event and could do no wrong and defeated an opponent that might have taken you down the last ten times you met....but not this time....does that make you a superior player?  Of course not, but you were for that space in time. I guess that's why we have play-offs...Everwhere except division 1 football of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 11, 2007, 01:51:23 PM
One Fan has it right.  In the OAC there is more parity than in the NCAC.  If you don't bring your A game and the other guy does, you're going to lose.  In the NCAC Witt and Wooster can bring their B games and in some cases even their C games and still get a W. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on January 13, 2007, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: onefan on January 11, 2007, 12:04:37 PM
Playing the who beat who game to try and determine which team is the best is an exercise in futility.

One year, the sports editor of the Springfield Sun used comparative scores to "prove" that Wittenberg was 156 points better than Ohio State in football.

I could have gone for 125, but, to be realistic, 156 was just too many.  :D

TigerFan_1973
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2007, 05:47:49 PM
JCU upends #4 Ohio Northern in University Hts., 63-61.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 13, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
1/13 OAC Final Scores:

John Carroll 63  Ohio Northern 61
Wilmington 95  Baldwin-Wallace 88 OT (home loss for Jackets)
Heidelberg 74  Marietta 70
Muskingum 66  Capital 54 (first OAC win for Muskie)
Otterbein 77  Mount Union 61

Guess who is in sole first place?   HEIDELBERG at 6-2

ONU, JCU, B-W, CAP, OTT are now all 5-3
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on January 13, 2007, 10:22:51 PM
Anyone who says that this is not the most exciting basketball league in the country is just crazy... what other team can go and beat the number one and number 6 team in the country in the same week and then come back and lose two in a row in thier own league play to unranked teams... but  the worst thing about this league is that we beat up on eachother so much that even in our best years like this one the OAC will only get one team in. (yes i know in the 04-05 season BW and JC got in)That can also be a blessing because come tournament time we are so used to haveing to show up every single day that OAC teams always seem to do well in the tournament. They should start an OAC Reality show, cause there is more then enough drama to keep even the smallest sports fan interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 13, 2007, 10:31:26 PM
I think the CCIW will end up being as equally crazy..........the OAC has a giant head start though. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 13, 2007, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on January 13, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
Guess who is in sole first place?   HEIDELBERG at 6-2

ONU, JCU, B-W, CAP, OTT are now all 5-3


Quote from: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 11:13:17 PM
Oh, come on, scotsbrod wooscotsfan, EVERYONE knew that Heidelberg was the team to beat in the OAC this season!  ;) :D :o :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 14, 2007, 05:40:31 PM
If this keeps up we are going to have one of the most entertaining OAC tournaments in recent memory.  Who the hell knows what could happen!!?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2007, 03:22:29 AM
Quote from: sac on January 13, 2007, 10:31:26 PM
I think the CCIW will end up being as equally crazy..........the OAC has a giant head start though. ;)

True, although Elmhurst is still poised to lap the field in the CCIW if the Bluejays can stay hot. But one thing you have to keep in mind in terms of league topsi-turviness is that it is an honored tradition in the OAC. This is, after all, the league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament. The CCIW doesn't have a tradition for parity and unpredictability that's anything like that -- nor does any other league in all of D3, I suspect. It's part of what makes the OAC so much fun to follow, even from a distance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 15, 2007, 08:15:26 AM
Quotethe league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 15, 2007, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: Toph on January 15, 2007, 08:15:26 AM
Quotethe league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.

Starting in 2005.....prior to that everyone made the OAC tournament.

Greg is also refering to the 1998 OAC tournament.....

First Round
#7 Capital 76 #10 Hiram 59
#8 Marietta 80 #9 Heidelberg 67

Quarterfinal

#8 Marietta 61 #1 John Carroll 59
#7 Capital 69 #2 Ohio Northern 66
#5 Otterbein 76 #4  Muskingum 54
#6 Baldwin-Wallace 72  #3 Mt. Union 69

Semi Final
#6 Baldwin Wallace 96 #7 Capital 83
#5 Otterbein 86 #8 Marietta 68

Final
#6 Baldwin-Wallace 83 #5 Otterbein 80

Truely a tournament for the ages.  1996 was pretty wild to with #7, 9 , 4  and 3 in the semi's.  #4 BW beat #7 Marietta that year.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2007, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 15, 2007, 08:15:26 AM
Quotethe league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, you gotta know your history, son. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 15, 2007, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2007, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 15, 2007, 08:15:26 AM
Quotethe league where one year seeds six thru ten swept seeds one thru five in the opening round of the conference tournament.

Your point is well taken, but a quick correction is in order.  Only the top 8 teams make the conference tournament in the OAC.

Ohhhhhhhhhh, you gotta know your history, son. :)

Especially when 'correcting' a HoFer!  I learned that the hard way my first couple of years. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 15, 2007, 12:57:33 PM
My mistake everybody.  The first time I read it I missed the fact that he was talking about a specific year.  I thought he was speaking in general terms. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 15, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
For whatever it's worth, I didn't realize that the OAC had excised those 7/10 and 8/9 games.   :(:)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 15, 2007, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 15, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
For whatever it's worth, I didn't realize that the OAC had excised those 7/10 and 8/9 games.   :(:)

Me neither, which is why I looked up the OAC tournament history, I distinctly remember discussions about the 7,8,9, 10 matchups.  I wasn't trying to show anybody up.  Plus I remember the tournament GS was refering to so I just had to look that one up to.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 15, 2007, 02:17:23 PM
I was a student at Carroll when they made the change from everybody to only the top 8.  I can see benefits of both systems.  If everybody gets in it's a true "second season" where everyone has a chance to make it to the big dance (without looking...I wonder how many 9 or 10 seeds ever ran the table).  With the 8 team system it makes the regular season that much more important.  If you don't take care of business in the regular season you don't get any shot at the tournament.

One thing is for sure, the OAC tournament has often provided me (and many other basketball fans) with some very entertaining (and very surprising) games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on January 15, 2007, 06:39:56 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the poll when it comes out.

This is an interesting situation.  Last week ONU was 4 and Wooster was 5.  Since ONU lost, it will be interesting to see how ONU and Wooster rank, given that Wooster lost to ONU.

By the way, I posted the same comment in the NCAC thread.  Is it possible to automatically do that.  I thought it was OK to do it, since my comment was related to teams in both conferences.

TigerFan_73


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 17, 2007, 10:05:49 PM
All the 1/17 OAC Final Scores:

Heidelberg 75  Baldwin-Wallace 72
Ohio Northern 79  Otterbein 70
John Carroll 83  Mount Union 72
Capital 67  Marietta 41
Wilmington 65  Muskingum 55

So.....Heidelberg is now 7-2 in first place

Ohio Northern, John Carroll and Capital are all 6-3

Baldwin-Wallace, Wilmington and Otterbein are all 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2007, 11:35:38 PM
Holy jumpin' cats.... :o

I've got to find a way to go see this Heidelberg team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 18, 2007, 12:15:16 AM
David -- don't get too excited....yet. :)

The Berg still has 4 very tough road games left on their schedule -- ONU, B-W, JCU and CAP!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 18, 2007, 09:34:12 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on January 18, 2007, 12:15:16 AM
David -- don't get too excited....yet. :)

The Berg still has 4 very tough road games left on their schedule -- ONU, B-W, JCU and CAP!
Everyone keeps saying this about Heide and yet all they do is keep proving everyone wrong!  After all, this is a team that was picked 8th in the preseason OAC poll ahead of just MUC and Marietta!  I keep waiting for the clock to strike midnight too, but the Student Princes just keep finding a way to make time stop! :)

With a look at the upcoming road games for the Berg however, time may be running out for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 18, 2007, 10:20:27 AM
Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  I don't care if it was at home, beating BW is HUGE for the Berg (ask JCU about beating BW at home)!  If things keep going like this there is no chance that I miss that Princes at Streaks matchup on the 7th!  It is worth noting that Carroll was down by 16 at the half against Mount...quite the comeback.  When does Heidelberg start getting looks in the top 25? :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 18, 2007, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: Toph on January 18, 2007, 10:20:27 AMWhen does Heidelberg start getting looks in the top 25? :o

This week, I think, if they beat Wilma.  They won't crack the top 25, but they'll get some support, say 30 votes or so.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 18, 2007, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 18, 2007, 10:20:27 AM
  When does Heidelberg start getting looks in the top 25? :o
Maybe they don't want the recognition.  They seem to be doing just fine flying under the radar. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 20, 2007, 05:35:26 PM
More parity and upsets in the OAC today - 1/20 Final Scores:

Marietta 72  Ohio Northern 68 (Huge Upset, Pioneers 1st OAC win)
Wilmington 89  Heidelberg 71 (First Place team loses at home)
Baldwin-Wallace 81  Capital 78
Muskingum 65  Mount Union 61
John Carroll 70  Otterbein 68

Heidelberg and John Carroll are both 7-3
ONU, B-W, CAP and Wilmington are all 6-4
Otterbein is now 5-5
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 21, 2007, 09:52:39 PM
i dont think i'll ever figure out this league
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 21, 2007, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on January 21, 2007, 09:52:39 PM
i dont think i'll ever figure out this league

If you've got a coin handy, you can just flip that.  Might clear things up a bit.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 22, 2007, 08:32:28 AM
Quote from: pennstghs on January 21, 2007, 09:52:39 PM
i dont think i'll ever figure out this league

I don't think it's that tough to figure out.  If you don't play your best basketball every night, you're probably going to get beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 23, 2007, 10:53:44 AM
Only one team from the OAC (a second place team at that) is still in the top 25 and nobody else is even receiving votes??  What in the wide world of sports is going on here? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 12:45:54 PM
When your league figures itself out then we'll figure it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 24, 2007, 10:49:55 PM
All the OAC 1/24 Final Scores:

John Carroll 65  Muskingum 63
Ohio Northern 83  Heidelberg 80
Baldwin-Wallace 84  Mount Union 66
Capital 73  Wilmington 65
Otterbein 78  Marietta 69

So, the current standings look like this:

John Carroll in first place at 8-3
ONU, Heide, B-W, CAP are all at 7-4
Wilm and OTT are at 6-5
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 24, 2007, 11:00:56 PM
Wow!  Almost a sense of normalcy in the OAC tonight! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2007, 11:03:17 PM
Completing the standings,
MUC and Musky are 3-8
Marietta is 1-10 (but the one was ONU)

It's not good to be an 'M' in the OAC!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 08:50:30 AM
I actually had a chance to go to the Carroll/Musky game last night.  A few notes--

-Carroll jumped out to a 10-0 lead and led by 9 at the half. 

-Musky was able to control the tempo and bring themselves back into it.  The second half was practically a wrestling match.  Both teams were in the bonus before the 10 minute mark.

-As bad as Muskingum played offensively (I'm really not sure what they try to accomplish on the offensive end, they were getting absolutely horrible looks at the basket) they played very tough, physical defense.  I was impressed at the way their team refused to go down.

-I was surprised that John Carroll didn't take better advantage of having a player like Mimes in the post.  Once the score tightened up (and Carroll even trailed for a few possesions late in the game) they started feeding him more on the block, but up to that point he was not the focus of the offense.  When you have a player like Mimes and your opponent has no one even in the same galaxy in terms of ability, you have to use that to your advantage.

-Only in the OAC can you see a player leave a game with a very large cut above his eye from an elbow with no foul call.  Moran got as hot as I've seen him in quite awhile after that.  I can only imagine what the folks from Wooster would've said about the refs had it been one of their players.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 25, 2007, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: Toph on January 25, 2007, 08:50:30 AM
-Only in the OAC can you see a player leave a game with a very large cut above his eye from an elbow with no foul call.  Moran got as hot as I've seen him in quite awhile after that.  I can only imagine what the folks from Wooster would've said about the refs had it been one of their players.  :P
First of all, in regards to the elbow incident, is it any surprise that this type of an act occur in an OAC game?  I mean, I would think it would be a fairly regular occurance as brutlal as some of the teams are in that league.  I would also think you would be used to these types of occurances by now toph. 

Second of all, in regards to your little jab towards Wooster folks, a similar situation did occur in the Wittenberg game earlier this season when Tim Vandervaart was playing post defense on Borchers (I believe that's who it was or it could have been Hemenway).  Vandervaart went down with a bloddy nose and the ref proceeded to call a pf on Vandervaart to boot.  At least your guy didn't get the pf called on him as well for taking an elbow to the face.

ps, thanks for your comedic contributions to the board toph.  You might have a future in it???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 02:00:54 PM
Quoteps, thanks for your comedic contributions to the board toph.  You might have a future in it???

No future in comedy that I know of. 


I wasn't complaining about the no call.  I was merely commenting on the style of play.  The second half was as physical a game as I've seen in awhile, which really helped the fighting fish because Carroll couldn't get out and run against them.



As for the elbow to the nose incident...

I'm surprised no one claimed that the referee was seen leaving Dane Borchers' dorm room with a huge wad of cash.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 25, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
actually toph this did stir up a big controversy among other things calling wittenberg dirty and disgracing the university after the game and the discussion about this foul and dirty play. Imagine what it would have been like if wooste rhad actually lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 04:38:33 PM
penn-
I'm making a joke about a three year old beef that some Wooster fans have with JCU.  The last thing I want is to have some sort of Woo-Witt border war come over to the OAC board, even if it would bring a little life.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 25, 2007, 04:44:13 PM
If it's Wooster fans who have the beef, why is it that you're the only one who ever brings it up? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 25, 2007, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 25, 2007, 04:44:13 PM
If it's Wooster fans who have the beef, why is it that you're the only one who ever brings it up? ???

To make jokes and hopefully get a few laughs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 25, 2007, 05:35:24 PM
Quote from: Toph on January 25, 2007, 04:38:33 PM
I'm making a joke about a three year old beef that some Wooster fans have with JCU. 

To quote that famously bad Wendy's ad campaign, "Where's the beef???"   I don't seem to remember this subject brought up by anyone other than yourself.  I'm glad to know that you're keeping tabs on the whole situation since there seems to be 'some' Wooster fans that supposedly still have a 3 year old 'beef' with JCU. ::)

Quote from: Toph on January 25, 2007, 04:49:07 PM
To make jokes and hopefully get a few laughs.
And you said you weren't looking for a future in the comedic arts... 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 26, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
QuoteTo make jokes and hopefully get a few laughs.

And you said you weren't looking for a future in the comedic arts...

Clearly I don't have one!   ;D

While we're on the subject of referees I forgot to mention that a major play in Wednesday's game against Muskingum was with JCU leading by one and something like 3 seconds left Brandon Mimes took a charge to give the ball back to JCU, Moran got fouled on the inbound and missed the second free throw on purpose since Musky was out of timeouts (a very smart play, I might add, with 1.6 seconds left there was no way Muskingum was going to get a shot...I think Pete might make a good coach one day). 

Obviously, the fish fans went nuts, screaming that it should've been a block and hurling the usual "what year did you graduate from JCU" type insults at the officials.  If only they had been paying attention to head coach Geno "Mr. Basketball '93" Ford (who I liked as a player and assistant, but won't judge as a head coach yet) who turned to one of his assistants and said "It was a charge."

Still, a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 26, 2007, 09:26:46 AM
Quote from: Toph on January 26, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
If only they had been paying attention to head coach Geno "Mr. Basketball '93" Ford (who I liked as a player and assistant, but won't judge as a head coach yet) who turned to one of his assistants and said "It was a charge."
Great point.  I have been watching Coach Moore's reactions to questionable calls and it's quite telling.  It's funny to watch the player's reactions after a call goes against them and their immediate denial.  Then they look to the bench for support and it's not there and the protest stops.  Coach Moore will let it be known when he thinks the refs make a bad call, but if he feels they made the right call, even if his player doesn't agree, he backs the officials and usually the player follows suit.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 27, 2007, 08:13:10 PM
All the OAC 1/27 Final Scores:

Capital 89  John Carroll 82 (First place team loses again)
Ohio Northern 83  Baldwin-Wallace 74
Heidelberg 75  Mount Union 62
Otterbein 80  Muskingum 79
Wilmington 67  Marietta 64

So, another 4 way tie for 1st Place... :)

CAP, Heide, JCU and ONU are all 8-4
B-W, OTT and Wilm are all 7-5
Mount and Musky are both 3-9
Marietta is 1-11
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 27, 2007, 08:23:58 PM
I really can't believe we don't have more posters from this conference. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 27, 2007, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: sac on January 27, 2007, 08:23:58 PM
I really can't believe we don't have more posters from this conference. :-\

I will second that sentiment since about half the posts on this board are from NCAC or MIAA fans!  :o 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 27, 2007, 10:11:46 PM
I am aware of quite a few fans that read the posts but have not bothered or are just not interested in posting their viewpoints online....To each his own....but I am also mystified as to why there are not more posts from OAC fans. Along that same line of thinking, I recently had a discussion with a Capital fan concerning what we consider to be less than stellar fan support in the OAC in general. I attended the ONU/Heidelberg game Wednesday night in Ada and would estimate there were less than 700 people there for a game against what was then a co-.'. conference leader. ONU has over 3500 students and I believe of the seven hundred less than 150 were students...Pretty sad considering ONU has been hanging in or near the top ten all season.  What is the fan support like in the other DIII conferences? Anyone know?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 27, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/attendance/2006_basketball_attend.pdf

its a pdf file so you'll need adobe.

The OAC is listed 5th in conference attendance.  Otterbein leads the way for the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 28, 2007, 10:16:37 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 28, 2007, 04:40:24 PM
I hate to put this out there but I'm wary of Otterbein's attendance numbers.  I have been to games at Otterbein that couldn't have had more than 600-700 people in attendance and the official attendance on the boxscore would be near capacity.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 28, 2007, 08:01:26 PM
Interesting observation....I am somewhat surprised that the Cardinals lead the OAC in attendance. I have been to numerous games at Otterbein over the years and I certainly haven't noticed increased attendance there over other venues. I guess somebody has to be first attendance wise but I wouldn't have guessed them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2007, 08:47:53 PM
However, my very limited experience tells me that Muskingum at #2 in the conference is believable.  I've been to three or four games there this season, and the crowds have generally been good.  The JCU game was about 3/4 full, which I wasn't expecting, and they were vocal.  Not bad for a lower-division team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 28, 2007, 10:54:20 PM
I assume the attendance figures are the reponsibility of the host school and as such are really not that reliable if someone was inclined to inflate them for some reason???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 29, 2007, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: onefan on January 28, 2007, 10:54:20 PM
I assume the attendance figures are the reponsibility of the host school and as such are really not that reliable if someone was inclined to inflate them for some reason???

Attendance figures are the responsibility of the host school and are sometimes simply estimates.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on January 29, 2007, 10:38:07 PM
Yes they are for the most part estimates at every school. But one thing you have to look at is the size of the gym. A small crowd at Ott would be a big crowd at muskie just because muskie probably only seats about 1800 where Ott seats about 3000. That is like compairing the seating capacity of woosters gym too that of hiram. A large crowd there at Hiram would be a pathetic crowd at Wooster. Its all the prospective of the gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on January 29, 2007, 10:40:50 PM
You also have to look at the location of a school too. Westerville a Columbus suburb has a lot larger fan base then say ONU and Ada.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 30, 2007, 08:29:43 AM
I think you might want to reread what I wrote.  I've been to Otterbein several times.  Most of the time there weren't more than 600-700 people at the gym, but the listed attendance would be nearly 2000.  It has nothing to do with perspective based on gym size or the fact that Westerville is a Columbus suburb.  The numbers just don't add up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 30, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: whoknows on January 29, 2007, 10:40:50 PM
You also have to look at the location of a school too. Westerville a Columbus suburb has a lot larger fan base then say ONU and Ada.
You could also make an argument against the locals up in Ada to the fact that there really isn't a whole lot else to do up there.  Whereas, there is plenty to keep you occupied other than attending Ott baskeball games in the Columbus area.

As for why Ott feels the need to inflate their attendance figures, it's really anybody's guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 30, 2007, 10:31:06 PM
I think the argument about Otterbein having a larger fan base and therefore larger crowds is only valid to a certain point. If you look at attendance figures over the years, rather valid or not you will find ONU  figures fall in line at about fourth in the conference year in and year out,while being located in the smallest population area in the conference. I think at least one other factor needs to be considered,that being the quality of the  product being put on the floor. A winning program draws crowds,pure and simple. You can see it at almost any level of any sport. It is just human nature to follow a winner. Over the course of a successful season the crowds grow. You see people at games that you never see during an average year. As to Otterbein's attendance figures....I don't care what size their gymnasium is, I don't believe their numbers....I too have attended numerous games there over the years and there is just no way they draw that many more people than the rest of the conference. In fact, I think they could increase their attendance if they would rid themselves of the obnoxious PA guy. His attempts to be "the show" are extremely irritating to me, but I suppose the home crowd loves it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 30, 2007, 10:42:45 PM
Muskingum is not very near any population centers (somewhat near Zanesville, but...) and they have no tradition of success in hoops, and yet they draw well.  Maybe the "there's nothing else to do there" argument applies to the metropolis of Cambridge/New Concord.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2007, 10:54:33 PM
I might chime into this attendance debate after I go see ONU-Otterbein tomorrow night.  I'll give the best breakdown I can of where ONU (and Otterbein, for that matter) stand at this point in the season.

I'm just another NCAC fan trying to keep intelligent chatter happening here in the mostly desolate OAC room....and I will third sac's sentiments from earlier, this is a conference deserving of a more lively debate by posters from all the various schools of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on January 31, 2007, 08:28:48 AM
For those of you who have cable companies that carry it and don't have a game to go to...tonight's Mount Union at JCU game will be broadcast live on SportsTime Ohio.  7:30 tip.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 31, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
Can't say as though I agree that the Muskies draw well. Their numbers are up over the last three years, but prior to that they averaged less than 500 fans per home game from 2001 through 2004...My recollection is that they didn't show outstanding numbers prior to 2000 either.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 31, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
Well, I'd never been there before this season (at least, not in 25 years or so), and I'm only going on what I've seen this year and what they reported last year.  I can't imagine why they draw as well as they do, although their games tend to be close (like most OAC games), and they do have three Cambridge High grads on the roster; maybe they have big families.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 31, 2007, 04:45:54 PM
Local kids on the roster certainly don't hurt  the gate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: baldbear on January 31, 2007, 09:25:07 PM
Final from Westerville:  Polar Bears 66  Otters 63  OT
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 31, 2007, 10:03:19 PM
All the OAC 1/31 Final Scores:

John Carroll 85  Mount Union 66
Capital 65  Marietta 52
Ohio Northern 66  Otterbein 63 OT
Muskingum 71  Wilmington 67 OT
Baldwin-Wallace 93  Heidelberg 80

So, we have a 3 way tie for first place:

JCU, ONU and CAP are all 9-4
B-W and Heide are both 8-5
OTT and Wilm are both 7-6
Musky is 4-9
MTU is 3-10
Marietta at 1-12
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 31, 2007, 10:05:54 PM
Milestone from the B-W vs. Heidelberg game tonight:

Baldwin-Wallace's senior Tori Davis became the Yellow Jackets all time leading scorer.  Congrats to Tori who now stands at 2,066 career points! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 01, 2007, 12:12:31 AM
Attended the ONU/Otterbein game tonight. Northern pulls it out in OT...neither team played well offensively the first half. ONU shot 37%and the Cardinals a dismal 28%. Northern looked out of sync and Otterbein appeared to be uninterested....I have the total in attendance somewhere around the 525 to 600figure. It will be interesting to see what they post. Anything over 650 would be a stretch. Can any of the three teams left with four losses keep from losing one more before the end of the season? WHEW!!! What a season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 01, 2007, 02:01:32 AM
Ohio Northern University 66, Otterbein College 63 (OT)

ONU emerges with a victory...somehow.  Here are my comments from seeing this one tonight at the Rike Center:

I got to see 45 minutes of basketball tonight, but I don't feel like this game really began until the 15:00 minute mark of the second half.  Why?  Both teams struggled mightly on the offensive end in the first half- Otterbein was particuarly poor, shooting only 5-21, 23% for the entire half!  ONU didn't really outshine them much, making 11-30, 36%.  Defensive play was tight and also somewhat scrappy- a lot of little reach-ins and slaps at the basketball by the gaurds led to some poke away steals, for example.  Both sides kept enough pressure on the opposing guards that neither offense seemed to be flowing well.  Passing lanes were well covered and the guards were having trouble finding anyone who was truly open.  Often, guard penetration ended up in desperation "shots"- that is, the type of shot a guard flings up after he realizes that he is flying into the lane out of control and needs to do something with the basketball.

Otterbein's attempted offensive plan for most of the game appeared to be to feed Tyler Ousley in the post and/or allow Ross Banaszak to drive the lane and dish or fling up aforementioned desperation shot.  In the first half, at least, this led to, well, nothing really.  Ousley was 2-8 in the post for the half in part because he never seemed to be willing to pass back out when he received a doubleteam, and Banaszak tried too hard to force shots off his drives as well.

ONU, for their part, was more mobile on offense, with guards running more patterns (including a built-in backdoor cut), but again the tight defensive pressure out front kept their guards from seeing the floor well and making good passes.  ONU was also hampered by foul trouble on Kurtis Brown, starting PG, because of early and often foul trouble (see scrappy guard play, above.  Brown played only 8 total minutes in this game).

Otterbein cut the lead to 5 (25-20) with their only made 3 of the 1st half with under a minute to play, but ONU's Greg Badenhop drilled a 3 with about 2 seconds left to extend the lead back to 8 for halftime(20-28), matching the largest lead by either team in the game.

Finally, though, the game opened up a bit and gained a bit of flow in the second half.  Otterbein made the right adjustments:  instead of Ousley forcing the shot, he passed back out and the Cardinals found the open man and drilled 3 straight 3 pointers to turn an 8 point defict into a 1 point lead.  It stayed neck-and-neck until late, when Otterbein pushed to a 5 point lead with only 4:38 left and then a 4 point lead with 2:21.  They played a much better half than ONU and the contest was rightfully theirs, but they couldn't close the deal.  Otterbein missed shots, allowed an offensive rebound for ONU, and, after Badenhop tied it with 20 ticks left, didn't manage to even get a last-second shot taken because the ball was stripped out as Ousley tried to dribble across the lane.

Both teams traded baskets in the OT until Ousley missed the first half of a one-and-one with under a minute left and ONU rebounded, setting up Badenhop's last second heroics...almost.  Badenhop nearly got caught for a non-penetrating guard 5-second call at the half-court line and was forced to call timeout with 4.2 seconds left.  With the ball near half court, and the players set up near the 3-point line, Badenhop curled around a screen, got the pass, dribbled past one more screen, elevated, and drilled the winner.

Greg Badenhop led all scorers with 24, and was unstoppable in OT, with 9 of ONU's 11 points.
Otterbein's Banaszak was a force in the second half, driving the lane with success several times and 2-2 from beyond the arc for 15 2nd half points.

For more info:
box score (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/games/2007/game20.htm)
ONU story (http://www.onusports.com/MHoops/Games/ott2.html)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2007, 02:21:24 AM
Great recap.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2007, 08:33:31 AM
For the record, Otterbein has the listed attendance at 2019.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2007, 09:56:23 AM
As for the JCU/Mount game which I didn't attend because I thought it would be on TV and didn't see because it was preempted for Kent State basketball in Kent (where I live)...looking at the box score (not that this would've made a difference), it is rarely a good thing when a team shoots the nearly the same percentage from the floor (45%) and the free throw line (46%) as the Raiders did last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 01, 2007, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: Toph on February 01, 2007, 08:33:31 AM
For the record, Otterbein has the listed attendance at 2019.

I noticed that in the box score.  That definitely doesn't accurately describe the number of people in the gym last night.  I would have put the number closer to 700-800, perhaps as much as 1,000.

Also, while I'm thinking of the fans (however many there were  ::) ), it was a pretty quiet and calm crowd last night.  The crowd as a whole was only "in the game" for some parts of the second half.  Also, the area that I think represented Otterbein's student section was hardly heard from until the overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 01, 2007, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: Toph on February 01, 2007, 08:33:31 AM
For the record, Otterbein has the listed attendance at 2019.
Maybe they take the actual attendance and multiply it by 2 or 3??? :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 01, 2007, 11:31:45 AM
My guess is that Otterbein has either a very poor mathematics department or a very successful accounting department.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 01, 2007, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 01, 2007, 11:31:45 AM
My guess is that Otterbein has either a very poor mathematics department or a very successful accounting department.  ;)

Kind of like Enron's accounting department?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 01, 2007, 11:52:52 AM
I was at the game and took a head count three different times and never got over 600. I don't see the point. That's not even a good guess let alone an attempt to accurately reflect the size of the crowd. I think it does a disservice to those schools that make an effort to at least come close to a realistic figure. Maybe someone should let them know that they will not be kicked out of the OAC or NCAA DIII because of poor attendance figures. As to the student section being quiet, Security removed one of their more belligerant student fans momentarily in the second half and upon his return the entire section was quieter and the young man in question was silent the balance of the game...prior to his chat with Security he was tossing personal insults at Michael Hunter and Jake Cannan. I think the ref summoned security to get it stopped.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 01, 2007, 10:25:54 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 01, 2007, 11:52:52 AM
I was at the game and took a head count three different times and never got over 600. I don't see the point. That's not even a good guess let alone an attempt to accurately reflect the size of the crowd. I think it does a disservice to those schools that make an effort to at least come close to a realistic figure. Maybe someone should let them know that they will not be kicked out of the OAC or NCAA DIII because of poor attendance figures.

I agree.  I didn't do a head count, but I do think they should get a more accurate count or just not list an attendance figure.  I'm really quite surprised that they couldn't get a better number- I was sold a physical ticket that was ripped up at the entry door to the gym...ticket rolls are usually individually numbered so that if you wrote down the starting ticket number in the booth and then subtracted that from the ending number at the end of the night, you could get a pretty good count on how many you sold.  Oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 02, 2007, 09:54:29 AM
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 02, 2007, 11:23:56 AM
OAC fans may want to watch the Wittenberg Wooster game very closely as this game could be the difference in having just the conference tourney champ or adding another team as an at large because i think it Wittenberg wins that locks up our NCAA chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 02, 2007, 12:30:56 PM
The Otterbein attendance kind of reminds me of Adrian

Rochester--225
Manchester--100
Oberlin--100
Kzoo-150
Calvin--600
Hope 750
Tri-State--250
Albion--200

I actually think the Hope game is an underestimate, don't know what happened with Rochester.

No truth that they have gaurds at the door stopping people from entering if attendance is a nice round number.

My guess is most D3 attendance numbers are guesses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan_1973 on February 02, 2007, 02:45:12 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on February 02, 2007, 11:23:56 AM
OAC fans may want to watch the Wittenberg Wooster game very closely as this game could be the difference in having just the conference tourney champ or adding another team as an at large because i think it Wittenberg wins that locks up our NCAA chances.

Excellent point, pennstghs!

TF_1973
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 02, 2007, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 02, 2007, 09:54:29 AM
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.

I meant to add earlier that I never had a bad experience at Otterbein as a member of the media and that the SID and his staff were always extremely hospitable and helpful.  I hope that the attendance issue doesn't reflect poorly on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 02, 2007, 10:46:29 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 02, 2007, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 02, 2007, 09:54:29 AM
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.

I meant to add earlier that I never had a bad experience at Otterbein as a member of the media and that the SID and his staff were always extremely hospitable and helpful.  I hope that the attendance issue doesn't reflect poorly on them.

I think the number of people who actually, deeply care about reported vs. actual attendance at a D3 game can be counted on the fingers of one hand...

...which adds up to 23 if you are at Otterbein.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 02, 2007, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 02, 2007, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 02, 2007, 09:54:29 AM
I contacted the SID at Otterbein in an attempt to get an idea as to how the attendance figures are calculated. He was gracious enough to respond quite quickly....His response..."Its an estimate from the pressbox based upon a capacity crowd of 3,200. It's usually done right at the end of the game as an afterthought. They look out and decide whether the gym is 1/2 full,2/3 full etc." I guess it really doesn't matter, except it grinds my gears to see it in print as a statistic, when in fact their numbers are probably somewhere in the middle of the pack with all the rest of the OAC.

I meant to add earlier that I never had a bad experience at Otterbein as a member of the media and that the SID and his staff were always extremely hospitable and helpful.  I hope that the attendance issue doesn't reflect poorly on them.

Thanks for getting this explanation.  I would have guessed that the capacity of Otterbein's gym was more around 2000-2500.  I really don't think this "reflects poorly" on their overall program.  Sure, it's not ideal and it'd be nice to have a better figure, but it really only bothers the anal-retentive part of me that wants to know every last detail of a game, and not the part of me that has an appreciation for the overall school/athletic program, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 03, 2007, 11:51:20 PM
All the 2/3 OAC Final Scores:

John Carroll 79  Ohio Northern 67
Capital 64  Muskingum 62
Heidelberg 87  Marietta 70
Wilmington 75  Baldwin-Wallace 68
Otterbein 78  Mount Union 68

So, we have a two way for first place:

JCU and CAP both at 10-4
ONU and Heide both at 9-5
Wilm, OTT and B-W all at 8-6
Musky at 4-10
Mount at 3-11
Marietta at 1-13
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 04, 2007, 01:13:41 PM
Four games left, this is going to be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 04, 2007, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 04, 2007, 01:13:41 PM
Four games left, this is going to be fun.
You aren't kidding Toph.  Not only is there going to be a lot of jockeying for who gets home court in the 1st round of the OAC Tourney, MUC and Musky have quite a battle going on just to make the tournament.  So there's drama at both ends of the spectrum.

And then there's the tournament and ohhhhh what fun that should bring us!!!  :o  If I were a betting man (which I am not), there's no way I would want to lay money down on anyone in this conference as to who will come away with the OAC Tournament crown and NCAA automatic bid?!?! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 04, 2007, 09:44:15 PM
David, I agree, there probably aren't that many that care about the attendance figures...That being the case, why report them? In my experience you keep track of things like this for reference purposes. Years from now someone looking at Otterbein's figures are going to think Otterbein had one helluva fan base when in fact they draw pretty much the same crowds as the rest of the OAC. I would guess that perhaps the other OAC schools that make a good faith effort to estimate the size of their crowds do care about Otterbein's inflated numbers. That would take the fingers of both hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 07, 2007, 04:24:32 PM
Unfortunately for Carroll tonight Capital has a virtual lock of a win over Mount.  A win over Heidelberg (who has fallen off since their hot start) is a more difficult task.  Should be a fun one to watch, though...two of the highest scoring teams in the OAC.  I'll be there for it.  I'm hoping to catch 3 of the Streaks' last four games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 07, 2007, 10:10:03 PM
All the OAC 2/7 Final Scores:

Capital 56  Mount Union 44
John Carroll 91  Heidelberg 86
Ohio Northern 75  Wilmington 53
Baldwin-Wallace 84  Otterbein 76
Muskingum 64  Marietta 58

So, the updated standings are:

CAP and JCU are tied for 1st place, both at 11-4
ONU alone in 3rd place at 10-5
Heide and B-W both at 9-6
Wilm and OTT both at 8-7
Musky at 5-10
Mount at 3-12
Marietta at 1-14
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 08, 2007, 12:12:43 AM
Thanks for keeping us up to date on this league, wooscotsfan.

I'm hoping to attend the ONU-Capital "OAC Marquee Matchup" game this weekend in Bexley.  Crucial game for both teams, with huge league and overall postseason implications.  Neither team can afford to lose this game.  ONU cannot pick up more in-region losses, and Capital already has too many.

I don't know much about Capital and their following.  Does Capital draw well?  Will a game like this sell out/be in danger of selling out?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 08, 2007, 08:34:52 AM
A few thoughts...

About the JCU game last night:  JCU played pretty well for most of the game, defensively they could get burned come tourney time, but this isn't anything new.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?  The only thing that really concerned me was that Heidelberg kept climbing back into the game...I don't know whether to attribute it to a lack of focus on JCU's part or just great effort by the Student Prince-Bergs.  One thing is for sure, Heidelberg's ability to shoot the deep ball (and sometimes it was very deep) will make them dangerous in the tournament.  Of course, when they go cold (and they do) they struggle offensively.

The ONU-Capital game is setting up to be HUGE this weekend.  One thing that Capital has going for them against almost every opponent is their ability to slow down the game to their pace...both by being patient on the offensive end and the "delay tactics" they use inbounding the ball.  Until OAC referees start calling them for delay of game, which I have never seen happen (surprisingly), they can almost completely dominate the pace of a game.  For obvious reasons, I'm rooting for Da Bears in this one, but Carroll still needs to take care of business.

QuoteI don't know much about Capital and their following.  Does Capital draw well?  Will a game like this sell out/be in danger of selling out?

I've been to a couple of games down in Bexley, and while there was always a pretty good crowd, there was also plenty of seating.  I don't think (don't hold me to it, though) this is in danger of selling out...if you're planning to make the trip.

If you've never been to Capital before they have a beautiful campus and the Capital Center is one of the best facilities in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 08, 2007, 03:43:44 PM
I was at the JCU-Berg game last night as well. It was a pretty good game but it seemed like it took the Berg the 1st 5-7mins of each half to wake up. In the 1st half they waited to they got down 14 until they finally started putting something together. In the 2nd half JCU's lead got to as big as 19 (55-36) before they got as close as 76-74 when it seemed as if they ran out of gas. 1 or 2  questionable calls go the Berg's way however and it could have gotten real interesting. I was impressed with some of the long range shots they were hitting thats really what got them back in the game. Definetly not the same Heidelberg we have been used to in years past.

Quote from: Toph on February 07, 2007, 04:24:32 PM
Unfortunately for Carroll tonight Capital has a virtual lock of a win over Mount.  A win over Heidelberg (who has fallen off since their hot start) is a more difficult task.

A reason for that as i was informed last night could be because Heidelberg has been without its starting 5 man for the whole 2nd half of the OAC schedule. He came down with mono and is out indefinetly. He was their 2nd leading scorer and leading rebounder when he went out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2007, 05:28:46 PM
I will be shocked if the Capital game is anywhere near a sellout. A good crowd will no doubt be there, but it seems these teams toil practically anonymously through each season. Bad news for the Bears....Badenhop went down last night with an ankle sprain late in the Wilmington game. Doesn't look good for him seeing any action Saturday. Tough time for it to happen...he means alot at both ends of the court for the Bears. His absence could be the difference between a W and a loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 08, 2007, 05:54:09 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 08, 2007, 05:28:46 PM
I will be shocked if the Capital game is anywhere near a sellout. A good crowd will no doubt be there, but it seems these teams toil practically anonymously through each season.

Otterbein is on the road Saturday (at Heidelberg), so as there's tens of thousands of Cardinal fans with nothing better to do, maybe they'll show up and fill the place.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2007, 06:37:14 PM
I wish I had the time to travel to that game and witness the huge Otterbein crowd that will undoubtedly be present...By the way ,their numbers also appear on the NCAA site where they are consistently in the top ten in D3 annual  national attendance figures. Damn...I had almost gotten over my annoyance of this and you had to go and bring it up again! David, you were absolutely right about no one caring about that stat. I e-mailed the OAC Commissioner's Office over a week ago regiistering my dismay over Otterbwin's obviously fictitous attendance numbers and never even got the courtesy of a reply...If the Commissioner's Office doesn't give a damn, I guess I shouldn't either.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 08, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
Hey... just wondering if anyone knew how tie-breakers work for the OAC finals... or if it's posted somewhere.

Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 08, 2007, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: jcu_fan on February 08, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
Hey... just wondering if anyone knew how tie-breakers work for the OAC finals... or if it's posted somewhere.

Just curious.

I'm not sure that it's posted anywhere, but I did a little searching at the OAC conference site and found last year's tournament preview.  Review it (it's a .pdf file) here (http://www.oac.org/documents/menquarters.pdf).

From the third paragraph, it sounds like the OAC checks head-to-head records first, then they go by a "best win" tiebreaker.  From the PDF "Otterbein and John Carroll tied for sixth in the OAC regular season with 9-9 records, but Otterbein earned the sixth seed by defeating third seed Muskingum once during the regular-season."

Edit:  I think this contrasts with the NCAC, which I believe goes with a "worst loss" tiebreak.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2007, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: jcu_fan on February 08, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
Hey... just wondering if anyone knew how tie-breakers work for the OAC finals... or if it's posted somewhere.

Just curious.

In the OAC, tiebreakers are decided in favor of the school with the better home attendance average. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 09, 2007, 08:35:48 AM
It is head to head records first, then they go to best win.  For example, if both Capital and JCU win out this year, the edge will go to Capital because they had two wins over Heidelberg (I think...I just glanced over the schedule quickly).  This has the potential to be a mess.  At the start of the season I was hoping either JCU, BW, or Mount :D would win because that would mean I could catch most of the games.  I can't make the trip down to Capital.


Oh, and +k DC.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 10, 2007, 04:59:40 PM
Final from the Capital Center:

Ohio Northern 70, Capital 74

HUGE win for Capital, keeping them at the top of the OAC.  Capital moves to 15-7, (12-4), and ONU falls to 17-6, (10-6) in the OAC.  With the loss, ONU is eliminated from contention for the regular season OAC title, as the best they could hope for is a tie with JCU or Capital, and they are 0-4 against those schools this season.

I'll give a wrap-up including my firsthand observations of this game later.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on February 10, 2007, 08:05:26 PM
Otterbein 77-Heidelberg 74

What a great game. The first half was back and forth and Ott looked ready to play for once. Heid had a 6 point half time lead. They got up by as many as 11 in the second half but Ott played much better down the stretch. In one of the worst calls I have ever seen in my entire life the ref sealed the deal for Ott. With about 45 seconds left and Ott up by 1, Heid is coming on a fast break and an Ott player steals it for a second. Right as the Ott player steals it Reynolds calls a time out but Greg Tyson had already stole the ball back from the Ott player but the back official awarded the timeout to Ott even though It was definitly the wrong call. Then Ott converted its foul shots and that was it, but that call was HUGE. As an Ott fan there is no doubt that our numbers are high but wait this weekend for the Capital game and that crowd will speak for its self
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 10, 2007, 08:41:59 PM
All the OAC 2/10 Final Scores:

Capital 74  Ohio Northern 70
John Carroll 85  Marietta 58
Baldwin-Wallace 76  Muskingum 66
Otterbein 77  Heidelberg 74
Mount Union 96  Wilmington 73 (upset, road win for Raiders)

So, the Current OAC Standings are:

CAP and JCU both at 12-4 (First Place Tie)
ONU and B-W both at 10-6
OTT and Heide both at 9-7
Wilm at 8-8
Musky at 5-11
Mount at 4-12
Etta at 1-15
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 10, 2007, 11:02:06 PM
Got to see Capital ride a late comeback right to victory today at the Capital Center in Bexley.

Unlike the ONU-Otterbein game I saw a week-and-a-half ago, this game's first half got right into the action.  Right from the gate, both teams shot very well.  ONU ended the first half with 39 pts and a 2 point lead on the strength of 64% shooting and 54% from 3, while Cap earned their 37 behind 59% and a whopping 71% (5-7) from beyond the arc.  Almost everything going airborne fell through a net.  ONU's leading scorer, Greg Badenhop, didn't start the game, and was wearing a brace on the left ankle that he had twisted.  He entered around the 15 minute mark and didn't seem hampered by the injury at all, and he played virtually the entire rest of the game after not starting.  I would not blame his poor shooting night (only 1-6 from 3) on the ankle, rather, he did not select his shots as well as I had seen him do at Otterbein.

The best shooter on the floor was Capital's Nate Stahl.  His 13 first-half points, on 3-3 3 point shooting, really helped keep Capital right in the game.  Capital needed that type of performance because ONU was hot and executing well throughout the first half, looking much improved over the team I saw play Otterbein.  Stahl added 8 more in the second, but those 8 didn't feel quite as impactful.

The second half was more of a struggle for both teams.  Shooting precentages fell off the first half cliffs as the game tensed up and lost some of the excellent offensive flow of the first half.  Counterintuitively, however, both teams scored some easy layups due to defensive lapses.  Northern, in particular, was exploiting holes in the Capital defense and the Cap fans around me were rightfully worried when Northern built an 8 point advantage with around 7 to play.  However, just like Otterbein forgot to actually beat ONU last week, ONU couldn't close out the win.

Down 3 with 18 seconds left, ONU's Jake Cannon got off a clean 3-pointer that didn't fall.  ONU fouled with 4 seconds left, then proceeded to miss both foul shots, but Quinten Mitchell secured the win with a huge offensive board (as part of his impressive career day, 15 pts and team-high 6 boards) and then the icing free throw with a second to go.

Cap's Stahl led all scorers with 21, Mitchell 15 and Ryan Wood had 11.
ONU was led by Kyle Gehle with 16, Cannan with 13, and Badenhop with 11.

box score here (http://www.onusports.com/MHoops/Boxes/mbb23.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 10, 2007, 11:48:08 PM
A few other, related thoughts:

Toph, best as I can figure, Capital would be in the driver's seat if both leaders end 14-4.  Searching for "best win" leads to these results:

Against:
ONU:  both swept
B-W:  both split (assuming JCU's win on Wednesday)
Heidelberg:  JCU split, Capital swept (assuming Capital win on Wednesday)
Otterbein: both swept (assuming Capital win Saturday)
Wilmington: Capital swept, JCU split (assuming Saturday win)

So, if they both end 14-4, I think Capital holds the tiebreaker regardless of the final standings position of these 5 teams, because Capital does hold the "best win" tiebreak against Wilmington and JCU doesn't appear to hold a "best win" scenario against any of them.  If they both end 13-5, Capital will hold the tiebreaker if JCU loses to B-W.  However, if Capital loses to Otterbein, whom JCU swept, and Otterbein finishes ahead of Heidelberg, then JCU could earn hosting rights by virtue of its sweep of Otterbein.

ONU cannot win the league.  I think there is one, however unlikely, scenario where B-W can.  If B-W beat JCU a second time and got lots of help from Heidelberg, Otterbein, and Wilmington, forming a 3-way tie at 12-6, then B-W would be holding the tiebreaker by virtue of their sweep of then third-place JCU.  Fun league, no?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 11, 2007, 12:02:55 AM
Also, since it's been a source of discussion in here, the box score listed attendance for today's game at 1134.  My guess would have been 1100 in the 2100 seat gym.  A nice crowd, and accurately measured, though honestly the ONU contingent was louder and more involved in supporting their team than most of the Capital fans were.  Very disappointed in the level of student turnout for Capital.  Probably under 150 there, loosely spread throughout one side of the stands.  No student-led cheers.  Perhaps they attend more for the cross-town Otterbein rival matchup, but I was hoping that a game between two teams battling late in the season for the league title would have brought out a larger student crowd.  The afternoon game certainly affected this, but I was hoping for a gym atmosphere that reflected the quality and intensity of the play on the court and I didn't feel like I received it.

Capital does have a very nice, very modern facility.  The gym reminds me a lot of Wooster High School's main gym, for those Wooster posters that read this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 12, 2007, 08:52:56 AM
Sorry I wasn't able to post, I wasn't around a computer all weekend.  First, huge win for Capital, although we certainly can't rule out the possibility of an upset by Heidelberg or Otterbein.  The same can be said about JCU...at BW will be a very tough game, Tori Davis always plays some of his best games against John Carroll.

QuoteB-W:  both split (assuming JCU's win on Wednesday)

I understand you didn't mean it like this, but there is no way I assume this win.  I can't wait to go see this game on Wednesday.  I saw the first game and was disappointed in the way Carroll played.  It was encouraging to me that they could play that badly (especially defensively) and still have a chance to win. 

Here is my early breakdown of the JCU/BW game...I've got four keys:
1.  Brandon Mimes needs to be more of a factor defensively than he was in the first contest.  I understand that he wants to keep out of foul trouble, but at the same time Tori Davis has to be contested in the paint or else he'll score 40.  Mimes and the other players in the low post need to bully him a little bit just to keep him uncomfortable.  Derek Smith's size makes him a great candidate to play the role of "enforcer," but he can't keep up with Davis' speed.
2.  The guards must play better perimeter defense than the first game.  I think part of the problem was that the Streaks were so concerned with Davis down low that they played off BW's guards, leading to open threes...and those guys can flat out shoot it.  Also, BW moves the ball very well on the offensive end.  Anyone who has seen BW play since Bankson has been the coach can attest to this.  Great coaching leads to great execution.
3.  Offensively Carroll needs to figure out how to attack the 2-3 with Davis in the middle.  Again, this is a great coaching maneuver by Bankson.  The Jackets have quick guards who rotate extremely well and with Davis in the middle down low, it is very difficult to get an uncontested shot.  Good, quick, well executed ball movement around the perimeter is one way to break this (with a few threes from Walsh and Kirbus hopefully coming out of it), but also Pete Moran has to use his slashing ability to draw the defense in and either kick out to the wing or find an open man in the post.
4.  Carroll usually has a much more vocal fan base than BW...the students need to turn this game into a home game.  Since the JCU home game was during the break, the normal crowd noise at the DeCarlo Varsity Center wasn't there.  I hope plenty of students make the short trip.

That's all I've got for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 12, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
Yeah, Toph, I was just trying to clarify what would happen if JCU and Cap had 2-0 weeks.  Looks to me that in that scenario Capital wins hosting rights.  Also, it looks like JCU must beat B-W to have a shot if they both go 1-1 and end 13-5. 

You're right; none of the games in this league can be "assumed" wins.  That's a big part of why I'm enjoying starting to watch this league.  I might catch Otterbein/Capital this Saturday, and also some of the OAC tourney games if Capital wins hosting rights.  I feel like I'm becoming the unofficial OAC Columbus Correspondent!  That's the OACCC, for short.   :)

Does B-W or JCU broadcast their games?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 13, 2007, 09:50:38 AM
Both BW and JCU broadcast their games.  I'm not sure whether or not either is still streaming over the net.  You may or may not know recently legislation was passed that made it much more expensive for radio stations (including noncoms) to stream copyrighted content over the internet.  What WJCU is trying to do, I think, is still stream sports and original shows without copyrighted content, but I am not sure if they've been able to do this yet.  If I were you I would check wbwc's website to see if they're still streaming.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 14, 2007, 07:14:36 PM
From the OAC website (http://www.oac.org/):

Quote**Men's Basketball Cancellations**

Heidelberg at Capital today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7p.m.

Muskingum at Ohio Northern today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Marietta at Mount Union today 2/14has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Otterbein at Wilmington today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

John Carroll at Baldwin-Wallace today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

**Women's Basketball Cancellations**

Capital at Heidelberg today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Ohio Northern at Muskingum today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Mount Union at Marietta today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Wilmington at Otterbein today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Baldwin-Wallace at John Carroll today 2/14 has been postponed until 2/15 at 7:30p.m.

Muskingum at Heidelberg on 2/16 has been move [sic] to 2/17 at 8p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 15, 2007, 09:51:02 PM
All the 2/15 OAC Final Scores:

Capital 79  Heidelberg 67
Baldwin-Wallace 81  John Carroll 77  (Senior Tori Davis - 32 pts, 10 boards)
Ohio Northern 63  Muskingum 57
Otterbein 52  Wilmington 49
Mount Union 69  Marietta 56

So, the Crusaders are in sole first place.

CAP at 13-4
JCU at 12-5
ONU and B-W both at 11-6
OTT at 10-7
Heide at 9-8
Wilm at 8-9
Musk and Mount both at 5-12
Etta at 1-16
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 15, 2007, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks for posting the scores, Wooscotsfan.

With John Carroll's loss tonight, Capital has claimed at least a share of the OAC Crown, and the #1 seed in the OAC Tournament, regardless of this Saturday's outcomes.

Congratulations to the Crusaders!

Capital Press release (http://www.capital.edu/Internet/Default.aspx?pid=11530)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 16, 2007, 08:26:00 AM
Unfortunately I was unable to make it to the JCU/BW game last night, but I did have a friend calling me with updates.  Tough loss for Carroll...especially considering that they were lights out in the first half and led by something like 14.  From what I can gather Mimes was a non factor both offensively and defensively.  Tori Davis blew up once again...

I really didn't want to have to drive to Columbus to watch the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 16, 2007, 11:08:53 AM
The OAC gives credence to show how useless pre-season polls are.  If my memory serves me correct, I believe that Cap and JCU were picked 3rd and 4th respectively behind B-W and ONU who are currently tied for 3rd?! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 16, 2007, 11:39:15 AM
I'm trying to remember the last time the preseason #1 won the conference tourney...BW last year I think, but then before that, I don't remember.

I do remember the year that Carroll went to the final four they were picked to finish 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: whoknows on February 16, 2007, 11:58:07 AM
I know there is still one game left to play plus tournament but I am just curious what everyone thinks about the player of the year this year. I think it is very clear the two main candidates but just wanted to see some debate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 16, 2007, 12:29:41 PM
Here's the stats for the two you probably have in mind, plus one other who should be in the conversation.  The numbers in parentheses indicate rank within the OAC.  Through last night's games, from the OAC website (http://www.oac.org/CONFLDRS_232.HTM#conf.wki).


      Player            Year            Team            PPG            FG %            RPG            Blks/Gm      
   Tori Davis      Sr.      B-W      22.5 (1)      .656 (2)      8.8 (3)      2.25 (3)   
   Brandon Mimes      Jr.      JCU      19.9 (3)      .489 (10)      10.6 (1)      1.54 (4)   
   Tyler Ousley      Sr.      Ott      20.1 (2)      .582 (4)      10.5 (2)      2.42 (2)   

Davis and Ousley have each been named OAC Player of the week three times this season.  Mimes has yet to receive this honor.

Ousley is also 7th in the leage in assists (3.0/gm) and 14th in FT shooting (.743).  Mimes is 6th in steals (1.67/gm.)  Davis is 2nd in minutes (36.62) while Ousley is 5th (34.04).  Ousley is also 7th in the league in A/TO, but this category is limited to those with 3 apg or more.  There are only 7 such players, and Ousley's 1.0 A/TO is last among them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 16, 2007, 01:06:15 PM
I think it'll be Davis.  Flat out stud.  Ousley and Mimes have both had good years, but I think that Davis can play at another level that these two haven't gone to yet.  Also, Davis is a big time, big game player.  I wish the tournament was closer so I could go to all the games, but I'll just have to settle for the final.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2007, 03:39:38 PM
Re: Preseason polls

Par for the course in this conference, which, IIRC, sent teams to the Final Four in consecutive years that were picked No. 6 in the league's preseason poll. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 17, 2007, 11:14:39 PM
OAC Quarterfinal Pairings:
(to be played Wednesday, Feb. 21)

#8 Muskingum @ #1 Capital
#5 Otterbein @ #4 Ohio Northern

#6 Heidelberg @ #3 Baldwin-Wallace
#7 Wilmington @ #2 John Carroll

Highest remaining seed hosts the weekend.

Downloadable Bracket here (pdf file) (http://www.oac.org/documents/2007OACTournMBBBrackets.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 17, 2007, 11:16:11 PM
Took in the OTT-CAP game tonight. For those questioning Otterbein's attendance counts of late, the number you will see in the paper on Sunday will be legit. I will agree that the Cards have not drawn big crowds for most of the year, but tonight's game had a feel like those of five years ago. I also believe that Otterbein typically reports the number of tickets sold. I would guess they have at least 500 season ticket holders, and on for a Wednesday night against Wilmington, my guess is about 30 of those folks show up.

As for the game, both teams played very hard, even though it really had no impact on the league standings. CAP was seeking an outright conference title, but they already had hosting privileges locked up. OTT will still have to travel on Wednesday, but this game is always about pride. The Cards looked in control most of the night, leading by 6 at the half, by nine with 3:30 to go, and even by 7 with 1:45 to go. Like a few other times this year though (ONU and JCU), the cards could not hold the lead in the last few minutes. CAP forced overtime with a short jumper with 20 tics remaining. The extra session began slow, but after #40 for the Crusaders fouled out, Tyler Ousley took over. #40 had kept the Otterbein senior quite most of the night, but in the last two minutes of OT, he scored the Cards final 9 points to secure the 4 point victory. Ousley made all of his free throws in the final minute, and had a key block when Capital's $50 had a good inside look in the game's waning moments.

My last thought: What the heck was that play Capital drew up with 5.7 seconds left and down three? They kept everyone in the frontcourt, and threw the ball to mid-court, where the kid who caught it stumbled out of bounds, but still almost made a half-court heave as he stepped on the line? Goodwin really needed a better play drawn up there. It looked like a play for when there is under 2 seconds left. 5.7 is more than enough time to get the ball down the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2007, 11:39:17 PM
Wondering where wooscotsfan is, and hoping he's all right, here's tonight's scores:

Otterbein 73, Capital 69 (OT)
Baldwin-Wallace 86, Marietta 74
Muskingum 78, Heiidelberg 66
JCU 94, Wilmington 78
Ohio Northern 74, Mt. Union 59

Here's the final standings:
Capital 13-5 (16-8)
JCU 13-5 (17-8)
Baldwin-Wallace 12-6 (17-8)
Ohio Northern 12-6 (19-6)
Otterbein 11-7 (15-10)
Heidelberg 9-9 (13-12)
Wilmington 8-10 (13-12)
Muskingum 6-12 (12-12)
Mt. Union 5-13 (10-15)
Marietta 1-15 (5-20)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2007, 12:25:11 AM
Also back from the Capital-Otterbein game:

I'm bad luck for Otterbein concerning their ability to close out basketball games.  I've seen them twice this year, and each time they've given up late leads and gone to OT.

I arrived slightly late for tonight's game, which means I missed Capital's only lead, 3-2.  As johnworms notes, Otterbein maintained control of the game through almost the entire contest, faltering only at the beginning for the second half (which Capital started on a 11-5 run to erase a 6 point halftime deficit) and at the end of the second half, where they gave up a 7 point lead in the last 2 minutes.

Quintin Mitchell is #40 for Capital.  He's definitely their most agile and athletic low post man.  He put in an excellent game: 14 pts, team-high 6 boards.  He was more effective than Cap's starter, Ben Gunn, both offensively and defensively.

His name has come up above in MVP discussions, so I feel I should comment on Otterbein's Tyler Ousley.  First, Otterbein's game plan hinges on his work in the post.  When they're running their offense, he definitely seemed to be option #1, everytime.  He reminds me of Dane Borchers for Witt- lanky, good touch at the hoop, excellent positioning around the basket.  I think his positioning is what accounts for his ability to consistenly draw fouls.  Coming into tonight's game he averaged 20.1ppg with 7.5 of those from the foul line.  He averages 10 foul shot attempts per game.  Tonight he scored 12 points from the floor, and was 11-13 from the line.  To understand just how often he gets touches offensively, and how often those touches end up at the foul line, he has shot 254 foul shots this season.  Otterbein's #2 man for FTAs?  Guard Ross Banaszak has 109.

Ousley was everywhere in tonight's game though.  6-10 FG, 11-13 FT, 23 pts, 18 rebounds (6 offensive), 7 assists, 5 blocks, and 1 steal for good measure.  He doesn't look like he'll dominate you, but he is remarkable fundamental around the basket and gets his hand on everything.

However, the most impressive offensive player on the floor tonight was Capital's Nate Stahl.  He's probably the best shooter I've seen this year.  Better than Badenhop; probably better even than Wooster's Devin Fulk.  He scored his game-high 26 tonight on 6-8 3 point shooting.  The rest of Capital shot 1-10 from behind the arc.  He ends the regular season 68-129 (52.7%) from 3.  I've seen him give two very impressive performances, but even on an "on" night, he wasn't able to carry his team to victory.

A few moments of almost ugliness in this game; thankfully, nothing really got out of hand.  I think Capital can feel (slightly) that they were on the short end of the officiating stick tonight.  The foul disparity (32 vs. 19) changed the complexion of the game and hindered any attempts at a comeback by Capital, since Otterbein spent most of the game in the bonus- and the last 9 minutes of the second half in the double bonus.  Capital only shot 10 FTs, Otterbein made 23.  However, before someone rants back at me, note that I'm trying to just show how the foul disparity affected the flow/tempo of the game, and I'm not saying that Capital got hosed.  The number of fouls just made Capital's attempt to come back more difficult, as players got into foul trouble and Otterbein racked up the free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 19, 2007, 01:29:16 PM
what was the attendance haha-i think we need a strong performance from the OAC champ to have a chance at hosting otherwise its going to be another trip to Witt or Wooster in the first round of the tourney again......not that they have had bad performances likewise.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 19, 2007, 07:03:26 PM
I don't see the OAC tournament champ hosting the first game unless ONU wins it and some credit is given to them for their sweep of Wtt and Wooster during the season. But,Witt and Wooster are both ranked higher in the polls so I guess that won't make any difference either. What criteria is used for the location?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 19, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on February 19, 2007, 01:29:16 PM
what was the attendance haha

It was listed at 2923.  Probably a pretty good estimate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 19, 2007, 10:12:14 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 19, 2007, 07:03:26 PM
I don't see the OAC tournament champ hosting the first game unless ONU wins it and some credit is given to them for their sweep of Wtt and Wooster during the season. But,Witt and Wooster are both ranked higher in the polls so I guess that won't make any difference either. What criteria is used for the location?

Onefan,

I'm assuming that by "the polls" you mean the d3hoops Top 25 poll and the regional rankings.  Only the regional rankings matter in regards to selection and seeding of teams for the NCAA tournament.  Hosting is a different matter entirely, as it brings into play the regional and geographic element.

From the D-III Handbook:
Quote
Pairings and Site Selection
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the
following guidelines should be followed:
• Teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity.  Teams
will then be paired according to geographic proximity.  A team may be moved to
numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained.  Teams should
be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity
(within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. 
However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as
long as geographic proximity is maintained.
• The highest-seeded team that meets all selection criteria (and after a review of the
submitted host materials) will be selected as the host institution, provided geographic
proximity is maintained.
It is the intent of the committee to create competition brackets with a maximum of
eight teams competing in each bracket. Flights will be kept to a minimum.  The higher-
seeded team at the sectional sites will have the opportunity to select which game time
it prefers.
The higher-seeded team will be listed at the top of the competition bracket.  The top
team on the bracket is the designated home team and will wear the light (white) colored
jersey.  The higher-seeded team will sit on the bench to the right of the scorer's table
when facing the field.
Note: Media and/or coaches polls are not factors in the selection process.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 19, 2007, 10:26:33 PM
To expand on scotsbrod's answer, there are a total of 21 teams that will host first- and second-round games.  Five teams will receive byes and host second-round games a week from Saturday; it is unlikely that any OAC team will be among them.  Five other teams will host first-round games a week from Thursday, with the winners traveling to play the bye teams.  Whether the OAC has any of these depends on where the byes are.  Last year, they were far away (Va. Wesleyan, Amherst, St. John Fisher, Lawrence, and Puget Sound), so my guess would be that the OAC isn't involved here either.

The other 44 teams will be grouped into 11 four-team regionals, played next Friday and Saturday.  The OAC champion (especially if it is JCU) has a reasonably good chance to be one of these eleven teams, but that depends in large part on who else from our general area is in the tournament, and what happens in the NCAC.  First on the list is Lake Erie, whose gym is inadequate to host a sectional but could be selected to host a regional, provided that they win the AMCC tournament.  If LEC hosts, it is likely that the OAC winner would go there, especially if it is JCU or B-WC.  Wooster also appears to have better hosting credentials than any OAC team, if they manage to win the NCAC tournament.  That would probably shut out the OAC from any possible hosting opportunities.

But if Lake Erie either loses or has their gym declared inadequate, and if Wooster loses (especially if it's not to Wittenberg), then the OAC champ could have a fairly good shot at hosting a regional--provided, of course, that it's not someone like Muskingum or Heidelberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 19, 2007, 10:37:35 PM
I like Woosters chances at hosting the first weekend if they win, I think LEC probably deserves a shot to host but the gym is just to small to justify it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 20, 2007, 09:54:17 AM
Go Muskies!  I can't make the trip to Capital this weekend!  I need a home semis and finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 11:41:38 AM
Pat has caculated the top 200 QoWIs nationwide and posted the result in a couple of the multi-region rooms.  Here's the GL teams extracted from that list, FYI.  I have added the in-region win %, which can be found here (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=greatlakes&team=m&view=standings).

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 05:01:39 AM
OK, these passed a great deal of scrutiny tonight. Through Sunday's games:

Rank   Points   Team
11   10.600   Lake Erie (.950)
20   10.318   John Carroll (.727)
21   10.316   Wooster (.895)
31   10.100   Ohio Northern (.700)
38   9.950   Wittenberg (.800)
47   9.765   Hope (.824)
60   9.500   Capital (.667)
65   9.450   Baldwin-Wallace (.700)
72   9.316   Westminster (Pa.) (.842)
75   9.261   Otterbein (.609)
82   9.174   Penn State-Behrend
115   8.619   Ohio Wesleyan (.739)
116   8.619   Carnegie Mellon (.524)
118   8.588   Calvin (.647)
132   8.435   Heidelberg (.522)
135   8.400   Bethany (.700)
148   8.188   Tri-State (.625)
159   8.083   Wilmington (.500)
164   8.000   Muskingum (.478)
166   7.944   Albion (.556)
197   7.591   Mount Union (.364)

Based on this, I'd expect Wednesday's regional rankings to be

1. Lake Erie
2. Wooster
3. JCU
4. Hope
5. Wittenberg
6. Ohio Northern
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 12:02:39 PM
Anyone know the status of Badenhop from ONU as his injury status may well determine the Penguin's fate
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 12:04:28 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 12:02:39 PM
Anyone know the status of Badenhop from ONU as his injury status may well determine the Penguin's fate

You've got the wrong end of the earth; Badenhop is a Polar Bear.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 03:53:15 PM
I was thinking ahead i guess to Wright State's huge showdown with the "Penguins" of Youngstown State as they attempt to host the conference tourney.

At least i got the P right
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 20, 2007, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 12:02:39 PM
Anyone know the status of Badenhop from ONU as his injury status may well determine the Penguin's fate

Badenhop is fine.  He was injuried 2/7 in a game against Wilmington.  Apparently it was never very serious.  While wearing an ankle brace, he did not start on 2/10 at Capital, but I saw that game and he ended up playing his usual 32 minutes.  Last Saturday he played 32 minutes and led all scorers with 21 points in ONU's win over Mount Union.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 09:31:07 PM
Well thats a relief for the POLAR BEARS as he is key to their run
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 20, 2007, 10:14:24 PM
Scotsbrod and David, Thanks for the info on the criteria for the host sites. I  also didn't realize the NCAA actually dictates which side of the gym each team is to be seated. I was also somewhat surprised that ONU is still projected to be hanging in there at #6 in the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 20, 2007, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 20, 2007, 10:14:24 PM
I was also somewhat surprised that ONU is still projected to be hanging in there at #6 in the region.

Hanging in there is probably right.  ONU must hope (pun somewhat intended) that Lake Erie and Hope win their respective tournaments.  If they don't, both become Pool C locks (or at least they will certainly still be considered before ONU or Wittenberg would be).  The best situation for ONU is for them to reach the OAC finals (itself no small task), and also to have all of David's projected regional top four win their conference tournaments.  Rooting for a Wittenberg loss in the NCAC semifinals, hurting Witt's in-region winning % and QoWI, would help, as well.  In that case, ONU might be able to slip ahead of Witt in the "secret" ranking by going 2-1 with all three games in the OAC tourney against higher QoWI opponents than Wittenberg's NCAC games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 10:24:40 AM
How do you guys see things going down tonight?  Here's what I think:

Capital over Musky (my heart is with the Muskies though)
JCU over Wilmington
BW over Heidelberg...Tori Davis is too good.
Northern over Otterbein


Now what do you think the odds are that every favorite is going to win?  I'd say the most likely upsets are Heidelberg over BW if they get hot from behind the arc, and possibly Otterbein over Northern. 

I don't see the top 2 seeds losing.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 12:19:42 PM
Toph,

I made my picks here (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4044.480) on the NCAC pick 'em board.  I decided that I had to go with at least one upset, and so I picked against JCU.

I think we're looking at a one bid conference unless JCU is upset during the tournament, which means that ONU and Capital, in particular, are playing for their postseaon and NCAA lives in every one of these games.  It should make for dramatic and fun basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 01:15:23 PM
I think the JCU upset is a tough pick...especially since they just beat Wilmington by almost 20 last Saturday, but anything can happen once the tournament begins.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 03:24:43 PM
Yeah, I wasn't actually making it because I think JCU won't win; more because I just felt that something crazy had to happen in the first round of the OAC tournament, or it just wouldn't be the OAC tournament.  I couldn't see myself picking all the top seeds, so someone had to fall.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if JCU takes the AQ from this conference and surprises people in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 03:27:03 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 11:41:38 AM

...

Based on this, I'd expect Wednesday's regional rankings to be

1. Lake Erie
2. Wooster
3. JCU
4. Hope
5. Wittenberg
6. Ohio Northern

David was close, as you can see here. (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/02/21/final-2007-ncaa-regional-rankings)  John Carroll comes in at #3 in the rankings, and ONU moves to #5, ahead of Wittenberg.  Witt's loss to Allegheny has damaged their Pool C hopes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: scotsbrod on February 21, 2007, 03:24:43 PMI wouldn't be surprised at all if JCU takes the AQ from this conference and surprises people in the NCAAs.

I wouldn't either.  Much of it depends on the play of Brandon Mimes and Terry Walsh (who has really come on strong lately).  JCU will probably have to figure out a way to beat those losers from across town, though.  If John Carroll gets past Wilma and manages to beat BW, at least the Jackets can take solace in the fact that they can count Kenny Roda among their alumni, while John Carroll can claim nobodys like Tim Russert and Don Shula.

What I do find interesting is this debate...say Carroll goes to the finals and loses in a close one to Capital or Northern...is there any chance they're in?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 21, 2007, 03:59:55 PM
Didn't the OAC used to play all 3 rounds at one site starting on Thursday?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2007, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 21, 2007, 03:57:22 PM
What I do find interesting is this debate...say Carroll goes to the finals and loses in a close one to Capital or Northern...is there any chance they're in?

If that scenario were to play out, I'd say that JCU was a lock for a Pool C bid.

BTW I edited your post merely to complete the quote attribution.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 04:18:07 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 21, 2007, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 21, 2007, 03:57:22 PM
What I do find interesting is this debate...say Carroll goes to the finals and loses in a close one to Capital or Northern...is there any chance they're in?

If that scenario were to play out, I'd say that JCU was a lock for a Pool C bid.

BTW I edited your post merely to complete the quote attribution.  :)

JCU would probably be the very first Pool C GL team selected if they lost in the final.  Remember, though, that the score of that loss would make no difference; none of the selection criterion (primary or secondary), require the selection committee to consider the margin of a victory/loss.*  JCU could lose by 50 in the OAC final and that wouldn't harm/help its Pool C chances any more than losing by 1 on a desperation 3 pointer at the buzzer in the fourth overtime would.

*Disclaimer:  I assume that this is what is meant when the Handbook uses the term "results" versus opponents.  That is, the "result" is a win or a loss, period.  The result is not "a win by 26, a loss by 5."  So far as I can tell, the committee never considers the actual scores, just the outcomes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 21, 2007, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: sac on February 21, 2007, 03:59:55 PM
Didn't the OAC used to play all 3 rounds at one site starting on Thursday?

I remember one year (2002-2003 I think) they played every game at BW to celebrate 100 years of OAC play or something like that.  Carroll should've hosted that season as well, if I'm not mistaken.

If you want to go farther back you'll have to find someone more...distinguished ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2007, 04:31:51 PM
Just to make Toph happy, I have picked Musky to beat Capital tonight.  That's how wacky the OAC tournament can be.  Now I'm off for the long drive through nowhere to Ada to see if Otterbein can make good on another of my 1st round upset picks.  I'll report back much later tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 04:52:56 PM
David,

I'll be making the much shorter drive to Bexley to see if Muskingum can make good on your pick!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 21, 2007, 09:05:22 PM
Final: Otterbein 52, Ohio Northern 51. Last second shot by OTT's Ousely goes in. The Cards advance to take on Capital for round three Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 09:42:08 PM
Final from the Capital Center:

Muskingum 60, Capital 82

Capital will host the OAC semifinals and finals this weekend in Bexley.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 09:54:56 PM
All OAC Quarterfinal Results:

Capital 82, Muskingum 60
Otterbein 52, Ohio Northern 51
Baldwin-Wallace 95, Heidelberg 82
John Carroll 102, Wilmington 88

Semifinal Matchups: (Friday @ Capital)

Baldwin-Wallace vs. John Carroll
Otterbein vs. Capital
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 21, 2007, 10:03:39 PM
Anyone surprised by these scores? I suppose the only upset was Otterbein over Ohio Northern. I thought the Cards might spring this one, losing by only 7 in Ada, and losing by a last second three in overtime in Westerville. As the old adage states, it's hard to beat a team three times in a season. As for the Cards matchup against Capital, I gotta go with the Crusaders in the rubber-match, but it should be a great game! My prediction...BW over Cap in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2007, 10:14:48 PM
I think it's probably even money between John Carroll, Capital, and Baldwin-Wallace for the OAC tournament title.  Which means, of course, that Otterbein will win it.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 21, 2007, 10:59:06 PM
Traveled to the ONU/Otterbein game tonight. Otterbein's Tyler Ousley layed in the winning basket with seven/tenths of a second left on the clock to end ONU's season. Must give Otterbein credit, they got it done inside to Ousley most of the night and ONU couldn't convert late in the contest four straight trips down the court with a missed lay up, two missed threes with good looks at the hoop and one huge turnover  with under 35 seconds to go with ONU leading by one. Not a stellar night at the charity stripe  for the Bears either. Can't log off without noting that only about 40 of the1000+ Otterbein fans that usually attend the Cardinal home games were able to find their way to Ada.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2007, 12:04:42 AM
Took in Capital's victory over Muskingum tonight at the Capital Center.

This was a thorough and satisfying win for the Crusaders.  Capital held a 44-27 rebounding edge, held Musky to under 35% shooting for the game, and simply shot lights out in the second half.

The decisive section of the game started with around 16 minutes left to go.  Muskingum had cut an 11-pt. halftime deficit (34-23) to 6, at 39-33.  Capital responded with a decisive 21-7 run to make it 60-40.  The run was remarkable- just fantastic shooting.  Nate Stahl started the run by hitting a jumper, then Ben Gunn sank a FT.  Then Ross Niekamp hit two consecutive threes, followed by a Stahl three (12-0 run).  Then the Ryan Wood show started: he drained 3 straight three pointers on the next three possessions, and it was 60-40 and the game was over.  18 straight points on 3s without a single miss.   :o Wow.

Capital ended the second half 10-13 (76.9%) from three point land.  They only had 6 two point buckets in the half.

Had Capital not run off such an impressive shooting half, the story of their win would have been how well they contained Musky leading scorer Brandon Todd, who could only muster 9 of his season average 18 in this one.  He kept looking for lanes and space, but Ryan Wood and Senior Bryan Alge marked him very well all night, and Todd posted what must have been one of his worst shooting performances of the season (3-15 FG, 1-7 3-PT).  Both Wood and Alge impressed me a lot on the defensive end.  Wood's excellent all-around effort made him the game's MVP.

Musky got strong bench performances from two players: Cory Bourquin (16 pts, 4-9 on 3s) and Senior Jason Dicken (10 pts, 3 blks.), who played with all the passion you'd expect from a man playing in his last collegiate game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2007, 12:34:58 AM
What a strange gym that is up in Ada!  It seemed like the game was going on in another room, because, well, it was.  There's about a 25 foot empty space between the sidelines and stands on each side, so even though I was in about the 5th row, I couldn't see what was going on in the opposite corner.  There's a half-wall coming down from the ceiling on either side of the floor, putting the gym floor in what amounts to a separate room from the bleachers.  There were a bunch of chairs set up along the sideline opposite the Otterbein bench to allow for an up-close student section, but all the students did was mill around all night, talking to each other, and not really getting involved until the last three minutes or so.  Or maybe it just seemed that way; I suppose whatever noise they may have been making was swallowed up into the balcony above the floor.  I'll never complain about the HPER Center at Witt again; the two people who chose to sit in the top row must have been a half-mile from courtside, with part of a wall between them and the court.  Very, very odd atmosphere.

And it was a strange game, too.  A real defensive struggle, marked (as onefan notes) by inaccurate shooting, especially by the PBs.  ONU took a one-point lead with 3:37 left on a Cannan layup, then both teams stopped scoring; ONU couldn't hit anything (0-3), and after two misses of their own, Ott got hit with back-to-back charges.  Ott, down one, got the ball back with :30 left when Jake Cannan just gave it away in the paint, then Ott called timeout with :20 left to set up the final shot.  After the timeout, they moved the ball around the perimeter for 17 seconds without doing anything that looked like a play (which describes a great number of Ott's possessions tonight) before throwing the ball out of bounds.  Luckily (for Ott), an ONU player got his hand in the way of the attempted turnover, and Ott retained possession with :03.3 left.  They inbounded the ball to Banaszak, who looked for the screen to fire the jumper.  Instead he dumped it off to Ousley at about 8 feet on the right side of the lane, and he lifted up a floater that bounced three times on the rim while the horn sounded, then gracefully dropped through. 

For the game, Ott shot 44.9%, including 6/14 from the arc (3/4 by Banaszak, who had 13).  Ousley led the way with 19 augmented by 11 boards and 5 blocks, and even drained a sweet three-point jumper.  Ousley and Banaszak not only contributed more than 60% of their team's scoring, they also played 37 and 40 minutes, respectively.  Ousley was so important to the Cardinal attack that, when he was gassed midway through the second half, Dick Reynolds called timeout rather than subbing him out for a possession or two.  Ott only went to the line 5 times in the game, hitting two. 

At the other end, ONU shot a humbling 37.5%, just 4/13 from the arc, and missed 7 of 18 free throws.  Greg Badenhop was just 2/10 on the game, 1/6 from the arc, and most of his shots were way off.  He also did a lot of standing around on the offensive end; it seemed like he only moved if there was a screen being set for him.  A far cry from the Badenhop I've seen in the past, and a poor finish to his great career.  Bart Hostetler actually led the PBs in scoring, with 10.  Michael Hunter was a load inside, grabbing 8 rebounds and refusing to give Ousley any space when they were matched up.  Unfortunately, he was only on the floor for about half the game, while Ousley played virtually the whole 40.

I liked Ott's "old school" look.  They wore all red uniforms, not too baggy (especially compared to the yards and yards of fabric swaddling the PBs), with white piping and little other ornamentation.  It was the appropriate getup for a hard-nosed defensive sruggle; it would not have looked out of place had their jerseys said "INDIANA" instead of "OTTERBEIN." 

The ONU pep band was pretty good, too. 

Recap and box score (http://www.onusports.com/MHoops/Games/oac.html)

By the way, in the cover photo, I'm sitting behind Cannan and just below Ousley's left armpit.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2007, 05:34:23 AM
Quote from: Toph on February 21, 2007, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: scotsbrod on February 21, 2007, 03:24:43 PMI wouldn't be surprised at all if JCU takes the AQ from this conference and surprises people in the NCAAs.

I wouldn't either.  Much of it depends on the play of Brandon Mimes and Terry Walsh (who has really come on strong lately).  JCU will probably have to figure out a way to beat those losers from across town, though.  If John Carroll gets past Wilma and manages to beat BW, at least the Jackets can take solace in the fact that they can count Kenny Roda among their alumni, while John Carroll can claim nobodys like Tim Russert and Don Shula.

Don't forget London Fletcher-Baker.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 22, 2007, 08:30:37 AM
For once the OAC played out as expected...3 blowouts and a close one.  I wanted to point out that JCU is streaming once again www.wjcu.org (http://www.wjcu.org)

I'm not sure that the game(s) from Capital will be covered, but they should be.  They always have in years past.

Now, looking ahead to tomorrow...I said it yesterday, JCU needs to find a way to beat BW.  It seems unbelievable to give this stat, given the success of the JCU program, but BW has won 6 straight over the Streaks and the last win for the good guys was back on January 12, 2005!!! 

In the last contest Carroll had a big half time lead and gave it back.  I was unable to attend the game, but I had a friend calling with updates.  He told me Mimes was more or less a nonfactor on both ends of the floor (I think he finished with 1-9 shooting).  Obviously, this can't happen again. 

I wish I could make a trip down to C-Bus and make a weekend out of these games, but I guess my brother's birthday comes before gorging myself on basketball (it's close though).

DC-
Couldn't agree more about ONU's gym.  Even though I never saw a game from the stands (always on press row), I can only imagine what it felt like to sit what seems like 100 yards from the action!  I'm surprised you didn't mention the Polar Bear in the corner by the far basket.  I'm told that thing used to roar and light up when the Bears made a three...but I've never seen it happen.

I also love Otterbein's uniforms.  Coupled with their old school gym (dim lighting making the unis look almost cream colored, classic look to their many banners) it's almost straight out of Hoosiers.

Picks:
JCU gets the monkey off their back over the losers.  Obviously, I'm making this pick as a totally unbiased observer.

The other purple is too much for Ousley and co..  Should be a fun weekend of hoops.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 22, 2007, 10:06:32 AM
Toph, for the life of me, I can't figure out from your post why you call that cross-town team losers when by your own admission they have beaten the mighty babyblue streaks the last six times they have played. But it does make for a great weekend of hoops down in Columbus.  Great rivalry match-ups in JCU vs BW and Cap vs Ott with both having just played each other in the last week. There should be a good crowd with a great atmosphere for college hoops. The top 3 players in the OAC will be showcased  with Davis, Mimes, and Ousley all on display. In your unbiased opinion, who deserves the MVP of the league from among those 3??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 22, 2007, 10:30:49 AM
My MVP voting (if I had one) in order:

1. Tori Davis far and away
2. Tyler Ousley
3. Brandon Mimes

No one has been more valuable to his team than Davis.  Mimes' value is evident in the number of wins with him vs. without him last year.  There are more factors than just Brandon Mimes though.  The Streaks have stayed much healthier this season...having at least one point guard in the lineup at all times is nice.  Terry Walsh is having a huge impact for the Streaks as well.

Now, as for why I call BW losers...allow me to explain, complete with emoticons:

Any school that counts a talk show host like Kenny Roda among their alumni is starting off in a deep hole.  "I'm a Steelers fan...but I'm also an Indians fan, Cavs fan, and Ohio State fan."  Really, Ohio State...because there aren't any colleges around Pittsburgh.  ???

They aren't Catholic.   ;)

They wear a very strange color of brown and couple it up with gold...great color scheme.  The uniforms they wear now that create a striping effect are probably the 5th ugliest uniforms I've ever seen in any sport at any level...and that is truly my unbiased opinion.   :-X

They reside on the West side.  :-\

Tyler Sekerak complains to the officials more than any player I've ever seen, including Pete Moran and Bill Lambier.  Why is it that whenever he's called for a foul he looks like he's about to cry?  :-[

Tori Davis and Thad Davis have been driving me nuts for years.  One of those two should've gone to another OAC school just to make things interesting. :o

And most importantly, they will lose on Friday!   ;D


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 22, 2007, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: Toph on February 22, 2007, 10:30:49 AM

Any school that counts a talk show host like Kenny Roda among their alumni is starting off in a deep hole.  "I'm a Steelers fan...but I'm also an Indians fan, Cavs fan, and Ohio State fan."  Really, Ohio State...because there aren't any colleges around Pittsburgh.  ???

Toph, I feel your pain on this one!  For the life of me, I can't figure out how Cleveland's only all-sports radion station has a Steelers fan as a host?!  Why is he not a fan of the Pirates instead of the Indians?  Oh, because the Pirates are AWFUL!  And why not the University of Pittsburgh instead of OSU?  And who can forget the Pittsburgh Pythons in the movie 'The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fish_That_Saved_Pittsburgh) ??  ??? All Roda is in my book is nothing more than a fairweather fan!  Of course, it doesn't help that I am a huge Michigan fan, so his obnoxious takes on all things Ohio State makes me nautious to the point that I just choose not to listen to that clown!  Not that the fat slob that is Mike Trivisonno on 1100 is any better during the afternoon rush.   ::)  Talk radio in the afternoons in Cleveland really is lacking to say the least!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2007, 07:49:30 PM
Capital has posted information on their website about the impending OAC semifinals and finals this weekend at the Capital Center.  Follow the link for more information:

http://www.capital.edu/Internet/Default.aspx?pid=11661

Both games will feature live stats and audio, for those following from home.  I'll be there for the double-dip; if any other OAC posters will be present, I'll probably be the only person in the gym in a College of Wooster shirt!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 22, 2007, 10:18:11 PM
Toph, I do have to admit that I agree with some of your assessments but not entirely. First, I totally agree with your MVP ratings--there is no doubt that it should go in that order--Davis, Ousley, and Mimes. Anyone that has it any different hasn't watched any OAC basketball this year. Now we have to see how the coaches vote. I also agree with your evaluation of Kenny Roda but I'm sure all schools have some alumni that don't exactly shine. I do beg to differ with you about the Catholic part, not that BW is because they are a Methodist backed school, but I do believe that is also part of why JCU is disliked sometimes. Because of all their snooty, better than thou, arrogant private school upbringings that compose most of their team. Of course this rebuttal is not meant to slam JCU but to contradict the "losers" of BW. As far as the colors go, they are a bit strange. Name another NCAA school with those colors besides Wyoming and Western Michigan.  Maybe that makes them unique????  As far as the uniforms go, in seeing them play a few times this year and last, they are "different" but of course the uniforms do not the player make. (or something like that)  Now, about your remark about Tyler Sekerak being a whiner, you have to be kidding when you say he is worse than Moran. I'm willing to bet that there is not one player in the OAC more disliked by officials than Moran. (not that officials make those judgments) The few times I have seen him play make me wonder why he hasn't had more technicals and he has had a few. (I know, not his fault) I also can't believe his teammates enjoy playing with him when he does all that yelling at them.  But I digress.  And your last statement about the Davis brothers--I agree that most OAC schools would all rather they had played anywhere else, especially not in the OAC, but you have to agree that, from a basketball sense, they were a pleasure to watch.  And I have also heard that they are two of the nicest guys in the world--that's refreshing in this day and age of star athletes.  But in the final analysis, both schools are great and have great people, past and present.  One team will lose on Friday but that does not make anyone a loser. Only those people that make those remarks are truly the losers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 22, 2007, 10:26:04 PM
Quote from: bouncer1 on February 22, 2007, 10:18:11 PMAnd your last statement about the Davis brothers--I agree that most OAC schools would all rather they had played anywhere else, especially not in the OAC, but you have to agree that, from a basketball sense, they were a pleasure to watch.  And I have also heard that they are two of the nicest guys in the world--that's refreshing in this day and age of star athletes.

Personally, I wish they had played at Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2007, 06:28:03 AM
Quote from: bouncer1 on February 22, 2007, 10:18:11 PMAs far as the colors go, they are a bit strange. Name another NCAA school with those colors besides Wyoming and Western Michigan.

I'll name three NCAA schools whose team colors are brown and gold, two of them D3 schools: Rowan, Nebraska Wesleyan, and Adelphi.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 08:41:27 AM
Bouncer-
I hope you realize that I'm kidding around here...just having fun.  Although, I do think that Sekerak is as bad as Moran, just not as loud.  It's all in his facial expressions and body language.  And I also think the current uniforms the men's team wears (I think they started wearing them last year or the year before last) with the striping effect are absolutely hideous (away far worse than home).  Here are the only worse looking uniforms I can think of:

The brown and yellow San Diego Padres with the horizontal stripes, same style with the Houston Astros...what a terrible era for baseball.
The teal Vancuver Grizzlies unis.
The teal New York Islanders unis from around 1996-97.
The Cleveland Cavaliers unis from '94-'02...seriously, the Cavs have some of the greatest uniform styles in basketball history and then they have those "things."
The current Toronto Blue Jays uniforms...I don't even know what color that is.

That's it.  Those are the only uniforms I can think of that are worse looking than the current BW Men's Basketball uniforms (again, away looks far worse than home).

And if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.

As for the game tonight...I think it can go either way.  Carroll didn't play well in the first game, the 2-3 killed them offensively.  They shot it extremely well in the first half of the second game only to fall apart. 

We have two very good teams and two great coaches going at it.  I wish I could make the trip...but I'll be listening.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 23, 2007, 09:54:27 AM
Actually we have 4 very good teams and 4 very good coaches that have led their teams to great things not only this year but in years past.  Cap center should be sold out and the place should be rockin'.  Hopefully we can get updates on the games as the evening progresses.  Question:  why hasn't Cap and BW gotten any mention in the regional rankings with JCU as high as third with the same records and Cap being tied for OAC title?? And I will bring back up the same old discussion about NCAC vs. OAC--it doesn't seem fair that Wooster and Witt seem to be a lock every year to reach the NCAA.  They are both traditionally excellent programs and I take nothing away from them for that, but they are virtually assured of a 20+ win total every year because of how pathetic that conference is overall. Both teams would do very well in the OAC but I would venture to guess that they would not win it every year like in the NCAC.  ONU this year showed them about the toughness of the OAC and they won't even reach the semis of the tourney this year.  But I guess you play who is on your schedule and go from there--maybe a little jealousy coming out but I'm sure the Caps, JCU's, BW's, and Ott's would rather prepare for the likes of Hiram, Oberlin, Denison, and Kenyon twice each year rather than each other or any of the other OAC schools.  Best of luck to all this weekend and may the games begin.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 10:34:50 AM
RE: Regional Rankings

I'm not an expert, and I will yield the floor for a more detailed explaination from our NCAC brethren, but the reason Cap and BW aren't "getting mentioned" in the regional rankings is because it's not something that is voted on.  It's a system based on a combination of different statistics.  People like David Collinge and scotsbrod can give you a much more educated and in depth description.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2007, 11:40:21 AM
Ehh, it is and it isn't. It's mostly numerical, though there are still humans who do the ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: bouncer1 on February 23, 2007, 09:54:27 AMQuestion:  why hasn't Cap and BW gotten any mention in the regional rankings with JCU as high as third with the same records and Cap being tied for OAC title?? 

The regional ranking are based on five primary criteria.  Three of them are based on results of specific games (head-to-head, results vs. regionally ranked opponents, and results vs. common regional opponents).  The other two are numeric looks at the entire season, and these are the two that most of us believe determine the overall rankings.  These are in-region win % and Quality of Wins Index.  I'm not going to try to explain QoWI; you can find out about it in the site's FAQ section (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament).

Here's how the three OAC teams you mention stack up in these criteria:
JCU: regional win % .739, QoWI 9.957
Capital: regional win % .680, QoWI 9.200
B-WC: regional win % .714, QoWI 9.190

As you can see, JCU is higher than both Cap and B-W in both of these key statistics, and the gap of about 0.75 in QoWI is enormous.  That's why JCU is highly-ranked and the others are unranked.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 11:45:16 AM
Quote from: Toph on February 23, 2007, 08:41:27 AM
And if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.

If "Patriot Pat" was the guy snapping the ball, I completely agree.  Why they went away from that to the ghastly helmet they have now I'll never understand.

Those old awful Bucs teams were a real joy.  There couldn't have been a better coach for that bunch than John McKay.  I still remember one post-game press conference with the following exchange:

Reporter: Coach McKay, how do you feel about the execution of your offense today?
John McKay: I'd be in favor of it.
:D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: Toph on February 23, 2007, 08:41:27 AM
Here are the only worse looking uniforms I can think of:

The brown and yellow San Diego Padres with the horizontal stripes, same style with the Houston Astros...what a terrible era for baseball.
The teal Vancuver Grizzlies unis.
The teal New York Islanders unis from around 1996-97.
The Cleveland Cavaliers unis from '94-'02...seriously, the Cavs have some of the greatest uniform styles in basketball history and then they have those "things."
The current Toronto Blue Jays uniforms...I don't even know what color that is.

That's it.  Those are the only uniforms I can think of that are worse looking than the current BW Men's Basketball uniforms (again, away looks far worse than home).
I can think of one team's uniforms that I would put above all that you have listed and that would be the Oregon Ducks 157 different variations of their football uniforms!  Talk about hideous!!! :o

Quote from: Toph on February 23, 2007, 08:41:27 AM
And if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.
I am probably one of the few that actually like the old orange uniforms of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  My family lived down in the Sarasota area during that era and I loved those unis. 8)  I have been trying for years to get an old school orange Buccaneers hat on ebay or something, but to no avail. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 12:05:13 PM
I was leaving Oregon out because they are an abomination.  I could rant for an hour about how horrible their uniforms are.  They are in an entirely different universe when it comes to bad uniforms.

And yes, Patriot Pat was the colonial in a tri-cornered hat snapping the ball on the Patriot's old helmets.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 12:23:59 PM
Worst uniforms:

3. Marquette men's basketball, back in 1977 or so.  Shirt tails worn out, and that's where the name was printed.  Ridiculous.  This is the only picture I could find.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgraphics.jsonline.com%2Fgraphics%2Fsports%2Fmu%2Fimg%2Fapr03%2Fpayne403.jpg&hash=bdbc71f951756f083a4d4e036793810de8272392)

2. Houston Astros candystripe model, from the 1980s.  They painted rows of seats in the Astrodome in the same candystripe pattern.  Nauseating.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.itsalreadysigned4u.com%2Fshop%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2Fproduct_category%2Ffrt-08phrya494.jpg&hash=2fb09b184ebfb90a36af6af809d498a9ccd21964)

1. Chicago White Sox knickers model, from the late 1970s IIRC.  Of course, anything that involves the White Sox immediately zooms to the top of any "worst" list.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportsecyclopedia.com%2Fal%2Fchisox%2FSoxshorts.JPG&hash=09ecde0fbe9cc561d5eb5707c90165cc802f5b79)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 12:30:15 PM
I forgot about the White Sox Beer League Softball uniforms.  Oh Bill Veeck...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 23, 2007, 01:57:40 PM
Your welcome to put in-game updates here

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5127.75

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 03:19:38 PM
David, thanks for bringing back images of those hideous south sider uniforms! ::) :D Just another example of how they will always be the 2nd team in the Second City!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 23, 2007, 03:25:25 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 03:19:38 PM
David, thanks for bringing back images of those hideous south sider uniforms! ::) :D Just another example of how they will always be the 2nd team in the Second City!!!

You know, I once made the argument with a White Sox fan who's a friend of mine that the White Sox are the 5th team in a 4 team town behind the Cubs, Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawks....even after they won the World Series.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 23, 2007, 03:25:25 PM

You know, I once made the argument with a White Sox fan who's a friend of mine that the White Sox are the 5th team in a 4 team town behind the Cubs, Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawks....even after they won the World Series.

Of course, I was just talking baseball. 8) 

You forgot about the Fire as well.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 23, 2007, 09:33:50 PM
Final:  John Carroll 76  Baldwin-Wallace 69

Blue Streaks advance to the OAC tourney final game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 23, 2007, 10:21:57 PM
Final:  Capital 69  Otterbein 49

Capital vs. John Carroll tomorrow night for the OAC automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 23, 2007, 11:08:34 PM
I took in the OAC semifinals tonight; I'll post a more detailed description of the games soon, but my question for this board is for someone to determine what they think about this:

ONU and Witt have lost; no Pool Cs for them.  Because they are out, and Wooster, Hope and Lake Erie have taken care of business to this point for the "A" bids- do both Capital and JCU make the tournament regardless of outcome tomorrow night?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 23, 2007, 11:24:06 PM
scotsbrod,

My gut tells me that Cap needs the automatic to get in.  I don't know what their QoWI  is, but I'm basing this on the fact that they have yet to check into the GL Regional Rankings.  Of course that is bound to change now that ONU and Witt are bound to be checking out of said rankings.  It's funny how this year's Cap team could get a Pool C if they don't beat JCU tomorrow night, yet, those good Cap teams from a few years ago that REALLY deserved Pool C bids never got one. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2007, 11:46:06 PM
Don't think regionally.  The Pool C bids are given out on a national basis.  How many GL teams have fumbled away their Pool C chances, and how many other GL teams have earned anticipated Pool A bids, has no bearing on whether Capital has a chance at one.  The only possible effect is that it could move Capital to the "table" sooner, but it doesn't improve their selection odds once they get there.  (I use Capital in the example because I think JCU is probably in if they lose.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 12:00:45 AM
I have a tendency to think that this year's Cap team deserves one, too, but I'm skeptical.  Capital's regional winning percentage after losing tomorrow night would be, well, crappy.  18-9, .666ish (I've learned that this last digit is variable).   ::)  .666 or .667 does not equal a Pool C, probably regardless of whether their QoWI can actually end up reasonable.  8 in-region losses is just too many.

But on the other hand, JCU will have 7 such losses if they lose and become a Pool C tomorrow:  18-7, .720, with a pretty darn good QoWI.  I think even that is below the Pool C win % threshold from last year.  The fact that they've been ranked might help, in so far as we know that their name is under serious discussion.  The GL is falling apart in terms of Pool Cs; I'm not sure how many we'll really end up getting.

I've become a fan of the OAC this year, with my move to the Columbus area, and I think it would be decidedly sad if only the AQ made it from the league.  I hope that doesn't happen.

Three of the teams I saw tonight- B-W, JCU, and Capital, could all give Wittenberg, Wooster and OWU a serious basketball contest.  I'm not sure that these OAC teams all deserve slots in the top 25, but I think all three of them could beat Wittenberg, who spent most of the year in the top 10.  This year, the "hyped" OAC team (ONU) didn't deliver, and I don't think anyone nationally has been able to quite reverse the image of ONU as the unquestioned "best team in Ohio" after their impressive string of December wins during Jan/Feb when ONU failed to even be the fourth best team in their conference.

I think it would be a shame to only get one OAC team- and I hope that their representative(s) to the NCAA tourney win two or three games each to show the country how well they can play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 24, 2007, 09:33:58 AM
Scotsbrod....Good post regarding the OAC....I think the OAC, while traditionally very competitive was above average this year. I believe ONU was the only team in the conference tournament that had swept their opening round opponent during the season and they end up getting a loss hung on them at home. As to Wooster and Witt, if they were in he OAC they would of course be very competitive and no doubt win their share of conference games and OAC titles, but year in and year out they would not dominate. ONU manhandled Witt this year(I saw that game] and beat Wooster in a very hotly contested game on Wooster's home court...and got only one win in six passes against BW,CAP and JOHN CARROLL. As to the NCAA tournament,  I presume the geniuses will once again choose to take the OAC  tournament winner and call it a day.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 12:00:47 PM
Report from the OAC semis:

Game 1:  Baldwin-Wallace vs. John Carroll

This was an intense, entertaining, hotly contested basketball game.  A real pleasure to watch.  Both teams seemed to have a simple gameplan: don't let the other team's superstar beat you.  JCU always doubled-down on B-W standout Tori Davis.  Every single time he got a pass into the post, Carroll smothered him with defenders.  I know he ended with 15 (he averaged 22), but they felt like a quiet 15.

On the other side of the floor, B-W was in the business of denying Brandon Mimes the ball, too.  He ended with 11 (averages 20), and was also taken out of the offensive flow via strong defense.  Both Mimes and Davis are incredible athletes, though, and watching them fight for rebounds and work in the post- they were often defending one another- was fun.

Carroll's largest lead came with only a few minutes left.  Until the last minute or so this one was still in the air.  The second half consisted of a lot of little short runs 7-2, 5-2, 4-0 etc. that kept both teams in striking distance of each other.  Shooting precentages ended up almost identical: both teams shot 37.1% overall, only around 20% from 3, and Carroll made one more foul shot and three more FGs than B-W for the difference.  Rebounds were even too: 46-45 in favor of B-W.

One last thought: JCU traveled much better than B-W did.  Many more Carroll fans in attendance coupled with only Carroll's cheerleader team and pep band made the gym feel like a home game for Carroll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 12:28:07 PM
I've gotta run to work- and will miss any and all games tonight because of it.  I can't get a full game two recap written.  Here are the essential highlights:

Capital contained Tyler Ousley.  Otterbein couldn't shoot well enough to compensate for not having too many points from Ousley (2-19ish from 3 pt land for the game!).  Regardless, though, this was the best game I've seen Capital play of the four times I've seen them now.  They deserved the victory.

Tonight:  I'll go with the mini-upset and root for Capital.  They shoot better than JCU, and that could be the difference.  I think Cap's Quinten Mitchell will be key for matching up with Brandon Mimes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 23, 2007, 08:41:27 AMAnd if we're going to get into this debate, I will not hear any arguments about the old orange and white Tampa Bay Bucs.  2nd best helmet design ever (first is Patriot Pat), and perfect color scheme for the team...they stunk, and they looked like it.

"I think it's appropriate that we look like giant Creamsicles, because we get licked every Sunday." -- John McKay
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: scotsbrod on February 24, 2007, 12:00:45 AMBut on the other hand, JCU will have 7 such losses if they lose and become a Pool C tomorrow:  18-7, .720, with a pretty darn good QoWI.  I think even that is below the Pool C win % threshold from last year.

No, it's actually slightly above it. The Pool C team with the lowest RW% last season was Illinois Wesleyan at .714 (15-6).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 05:37:48 PM
Thanks Greg.  I was just guesstimating.  So we should consider JCU in the hunt regardless, because they'll still have a pretty darn good QoWI even with a loss tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on February 24, 2007, 08:58:14 PM
Is Brandon Mimes always this dominant for JCU? And does he usually get to the line this often? 19 trips so far this game!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 11:20:57 PM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on February 24, 2007, 08:58:14 PM
Is Brandon Mimes always this dominant for JCU? And does he usually get to the line this often? 19 trips so far this game!

The answer to your questions are yes, and yes.  He leads JCU in scoring (20.3 ppg), rebounding (10.6), blocks, steals, and FTs taken and made.  He doesn't actually shoot FTs very well, though, as he was only 60% coming into the OAC tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 11:39:02 PM
Just to officially put this here:

OAC Tournament Final:

John Carroll University 73, Capital University 78

Capital clinches their bid for the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2007, 11:39:36 PM
Congratulations to Capital University's Mens Basketball team on their OAC regular season and tournament championships!

Capital's victory tonight clinches their program's first NCAA berth since the 95-96 season, which was current head coach Damon Goodwin's second year with the program.  It is also Capital's first OAC tournament title since the 84-85 season.  This is a team that could surprise people in the NCAA tournament- I would personally not be surprised if they end the season with their name in the Top 25.

Capital's lone senior, and super-sub, Brian Alge, earned OAC tournament MVP honors.  Congratulations to him as well!  He has consistently impressed me, and during the Otterbein semifinal matchup, his energy and determination formed the emotional core of Capital's inspiried and thorough victory.

Regardless of what Capital manages in the NCAAs, the future for this program seems bright.  They return their entire starting five next year, and most of their key contributors from the bench, as well.  Whatever noise they make in the NCAA this year, I suspect the bar for next year will be set high.

Good luck to Capital and (hopefully!!) John Carroll in the NCAA tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 25, 2007, 02:44:09 AM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on February 24, 2007, 08:58:14 PM
Is Brandon Mimes always this dominant for JCU? And does he usually get to the line this often? 19 trips so far this game!

Brandon Mimes is an outstanding D3 athlete,  JCU with Mimes last year likely would have had a good chance to beat Hope in Holland.  He sat out 2006

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 25, 2007, 09:23:09 AM
I took in the Carroll/Capital game last night.  First and foremost, congratulations to Capital on the win.  Hopefully this means two OAC teams get in instead of one.

Was anyone else here at the game last night, because I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.  I think that Tim Glon (OAC Commish...and I hope he reads this) should be embarassed that this officiating crew was his championship crew.  They were horrendous on both sides.  Brandon Mimes travelled virtually everytime he touched the ball, Brian Alge was allowed to do pretty much whatever he wanted defensively (including holding onto the jersey) to Pete Moran, and they're lucky their wasn't a fight in the post with all the garbage they were letting the teams get away with.  What I really didn't understand was with the Alge/Moran thing, there were several occasions before an inbound that the officials would stop play to separate Alge from Moran.  If you're going to stop play, how can you not call a foul?  It didn't take long for them to completely lose control of the game, and on several occasions it seemed like they changed their calls because the crowd/benches made so much noise.

The two biggest calls happened to go Capital's way...Brandon Mimes' fourth and fifth fouls.  The fourth foul was a ticky-tac touch foul call, which I wouldn't have a problem with, except that both teams had been beating the crap out of each other all night.  His fifth foul for charging was questionable as well.  It didn't appear to me that the Capital defender had established position, it actaully looked like he stepped into Mimes.

Again, I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts on this, but if that's your championship crew, you're in serious trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: woosterbooster on February 25, 2007, 03:36:37 PM
I wasn't at the game, but I'm familiar with how these two teams play the.  They reduce basketball to its lowest level, turning it into a complete backyard brawl.  They just dare the officials to call fouls, and eventually the officiating crews are worn down, giving in to the forceful will of the players. 

I don't give a damn when it's these two teams playing each other, as they deserve what they get, but when they face a team that actually plays legitimate basketball, that team will almost certainly get a poor shake from the refs as there just aren't enough calls ever made against the likes of JCU or Capital.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: c-busballer on February 25, 2007, 06:58:04 PM
Toph,

Been a long time since I posted.  I was at the game and know and have seen the officials.  Not the best, but I did not notice them.  I have ties to both schools.  I went to see a good game.  Why do people constantly bring up officials or calls about games.  Ultimately, it is up to the players and coaches who decide the games.  The coaches prepare the players and it is up to the players to execute, adjust to the game and officials. 

Mimes 4th foul could have been let go.  I did not have a good view of the fifth, so no comment.  Mimes also shot 24 FT's by himself to Capitals 21 as a team. 

I hope JCU gets in, but they had the chance to host and the chance to win the game.  They had the lead at the end, but Capital made a few more plays.  Don't bring up one or two calls about the game.  It looks bad and makes you sound like some fans at another school.  You are better than that.  JCU had a great year and hopefully it continues. 

Hats off to both teams for a great effort and entertaining game.

Wooster Booster,  there are different ways to skin a cat.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 25, 2007, 11:47:12 PM
And tonight it's official:  Both Capital and John Carroll will be representing the OAC in this year's NCAA Tournament.  Congratulations to both teams on their inclusion!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 08:21:24 AM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on February 25, 2007, 03:36:37 PM
I wasn't at the game, but I'm familiar with how these two teams play the.  They reduce basketball to its lowest level, turning it into a complete backyard brawl.  They just dare the officials to call fouls, and eventually the officiating crews are worn down, giving in to the forceful will of the players. 

I don't give a damn when it's these two teams playing each other, as they deserve what they get, but when they face a team that actually plays legitimate basketball, that team will almost certainly get a poor shake from the refs as there just aren't enough calls ever made against the likes of JCU or Capital.

I should've stopped reading after the first sentence...but it's pretty tough to see from that high horse, isn't it?  I was referencing specific instances in a specific game, and you turn it into a rant about Capital and JCU playing the "lowest form of basketball."  Who are you to decide what is and what isn't the proper "form" of basketball?  Come off it.

Quote from: c-busballer on February 25, 2007, 06:58:04 PM
Mimes 4th foul could have been let go.  I did not have a good view of the fifth, so no comment.  Mimes also shot 24 FT's by himself to Capitals 21 as a team.     

I thought Mimes' fifth was questionable, but I can see the charge being called.  I don't find it surprising that Mimes went to the line more than the entire Capital team.  Capital doesn't have the athletes in the post to stay with him, they had to foul and get him to the line to contain him.  Capital won, and deserved to win.  I hope I didn't sound like a guy who was bitching and moaning about losing.  I thought Goodwin and co. made great adjustments.  JCU could've run away with it in the second half when they got on that big run, but Capital hung around and made big shots when it counted (something Carroll certainly didn't do).

Now we just wait and see where everybody ends up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 09:14:14 AM
JCU is in and hosting!!!  And if they win they play LEC in round 2!  Great draw for the Streaks!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: cufan on February 26, 2007, 10:19:57 AM
Gotta love the NCAA, Cap beats JCU and goes on the road while JCU hosts.

Good luck to both teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: cufan on February 26, 2007, 10:19:57 AM
Gotta love the NCAA, Cap beats JCU and goes on the road while JCU hosts.

Good luck to both teams!

Regional rankings, my friend.  JCU was probably still higher.  The same thing happened when BW beat JCU a couple years back.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 26, 2007, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: Toph on February 26, 2007, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: cufan on February 26, 2007, 10:19:57 AM
Gotta love the NCAA, Cap beats JCU and goes on the road while JCU hosts.

Good luck to both teams!

Regional rankings, my friend.  JCU was probably still higher.  The same thing happened when BW beat JCU a couple years back.
Yeah, I would agree that JCU was probably still the higher ranked team in the region.  Cap was coming off of a loss @ Ott when the last public regional rankings were released and JCU was pretty solidly entrenched in the 3rd spot.  Since the last regional rankings, #3 JCU lost to Cap in the OAC finals #4 Hope lost in the MIAA finals, #5 ONU lost in the OAC quarters and #6 Witt lost in the NCAC semis.  Cap wasn't ranked, but beating JCU in the OAC finals would not have been enough for them to overcome the gap that had been there between them and JCU leaving the Blue Streaks as the higher seed in the regional.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 03:58:23 PM
I don't think Carroll could've gotten a more favorable draw, unless they had a first round bye.  They have Westminster at home, and should they win that, they have LEC.  I'm not counting these games as wins, but things are set up nicely for a Sweet 16 run.  Westminster should certainly be considered the underdog against Carroll (especially at home) and LEC has yet to prove themselves...I only wish the second round game was at Carroll as well so it could be played in a reasonably sized gym.  I'm afraid I may have to call in a favor or two to get a seat at the JCU/LEC game should it come to pass.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 26, 2007, 04:21:38 PM
I guess you are already past the topic of the OAC championship game, but I wanted to throw my two cents in.  I am a Cap grad and more of a football guy (played at Cap from 93-96), but I was in Columbus over the weekend and saw that Cap was hosting the OAC tourney and was playing in the Championship, so I went.  Here are my thoughts, for what they are worth:

Mims from JCU is a beast.  Capital couldn't stop him, and when he fouled out with a minute and change left, he had HALF of JCU's points.  That's a huge loss, no matter how you slice it.  I agree with Toph that his fourth foul was kind of ticky-tack, especially with as physical as the game was being allowed to be played.  His fifth, the charge, was probably questionable too, but the bottom line is that JCU needed to then find offense, which they struggled to do.  I also agree with Toph (a JCU guy, nonetheless) that Mims traveled nearly every time he made a move to the basket.  But, the refs (awful, by the way), let him get away with it, and he responded with a huge game.  It might have been different in the last minute if JCU could have simply gotten the ball to Mims and counted on two or the basket plus one.

Capital played a great team game, and got a lot off the bench.  They shot really well and probably deserved to win.  I am glad, however, that both teams got a bid.  It was well deserved.

Good luck to both teams.  I don't usually follow the D3 hoops tourney except in passing, but since Cap is in for the first time since I was in school, I will probably keep a closer watch on the scores than usual.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 26, 2007, 04:36:06 PM
JK-
Finally a Cap football guy comes over to talk some hoops!  Looks like things are set up for the Crusaders to make another run at it next year as well.  I like Kaiser (sp.) with his inside outside game, sweet stroke for a big man.  I've always liked Stahl (although I thought his undercutting Mimes looked intentional in the second half), and they only lose one senior, I think. 

I think Capital will have a tougher time getting out of the first round than Carroll will, but I'd love to see both OAC teams advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 01:51:14 PM
From the College of Wooster website:

» NCAA Div. III Tournament Ticket Information: There will be a pre-sale at Wooster's Physical Education Center Wednesday from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m., and Thursday also from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. as well as 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. On Friday, tickets will go on sale starting at noon, and the gates open at 4 p.m. Tickets are $6 for adults and $3 for all students. One ticket is good for both games on Friday.

I do not know what arrangements, if any, have been made for pre-sale tickets at Capital.

Capital plays Centre at 6pm, with the Wooster/Transylvania game to follow 30 mins. after the first game ends, not before 8pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
The All-OAC awards have been announced: http://www.oac.org/documents/2007MBBAll-OAC.pdf

Tori Davis of B-WC is the Mike Gregory Award recipient as conference MOP, the second straight season he's won this award.  I feel compelled to note that this award is named for a Denison University student-athlete, albeit one from the 1920's.  ;D  Davis is a four-time all-OAC honoree. 

Joining Davis on the first team are Tyler Ousley of Otterbein and Brandon Mimes of JCU, the other two players we had suggested as MOP candidates, as well as Brandon Todd (Muskingum), Greg Badenhop (ONU), and Nate Stahl of the OAC Champion Capital Crusaders.  Capital's Damon Goodwin was named Coach of the Year.  The OAC doesn't seem to give a Newcomer of the Year award.

Congratulations to all of these honorees!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 07:23:13 PM
Update on tickets, from the Capital website (http://www.capital.edu/Internet/Default.aspx?pid=71):

NCAA Tournament -- TICKET PRESALE
Tickets for Friday's Capital-Centre NCAA Tournament game will be available for sale in the athletic offices on the second floor of The Capital Center on Wednesday from 12-5 p.m. and Thursday from 9 a.m. - 1 p.m.  Tickets are $6 for adults and $3 for students.


I don't know if tickets for Saturday's game will be available in this manner, but those of you coming on Friday can obtain tickets either before or after Friday's game at Wooster.  Although there should be good crowds for all three games, I don't anticipate that any will sell out, so ticket availability should not be a problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2007, 11:57:36 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 26, 2007, 04:36:06 PM
JK-
Finally a Cap football guy comes over to talk some hoops!  Looks like things are set up for the Crusaders to make another run at it next year as well.  I like Kaiser (sp.) with his inside outside game, sweet stroke for a big man.  I've always liked Stahl (although I thought his undercutting Mimes looked intentional in the second half), and they only lose one senior, I think. 

I think Capital will have a tougher time getting out of the first round than Carroll will, but I'd love to see both OAC teams advance.

Good point about Steve Kyser and his inside-out game.  He will pop the trey if you leave him alone out there.  I think things are setting up very well for Cap for next season, but I'm sure that they aren't worried about that one yet.    :)

Centre seems like a stiff challenge, but I can't get a good sense of them from just statistics.  I posted a breakdown of Capital on Centre's home board (SCAC/South Region), so maybe someone from there will come here and return the favor.

Toph, will you be at the first rounder for JCU?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 28, 2007, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: scotsbrod on February 27, 2007, 11:57:36 PM

Toph, will you be at the first rounder for JCU?

Wouldn't miss it.  I plan on going as far as they do.  Presale tickets for General Admission go on sale today, for anyway planning on going.  I'm not sure what sort of crowd to expect.  JCU traveled well for the OAC tourney, so I think the DeCarlo Center will be rocking, but I don't know what Westminster will bring.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 28, 2007, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: Toph on February 28, 2007, 09:18:42 AM
I'm not sure what sort of crowd to expect.  JCU traveled well for the OAC tourney, so I think the DeCarlo Center will be rocking, but I don't know what Westminster will bring.
Toph,

It's hard to say what type of crowd Westminster will bring.  It's not really that long of a drive from New Wilmington, PA to greater Cleveland.  When I was at Westminster, we were a football school 1st and foremost and basketball was merely an aferthought unless we made the postseason.  Put it this way, I never missed a home football game, whereas, I've been to more Westminster basketball games after graduation than I had been to as a student (and that has to due with the Wooster-Westminster series over the past 6 seasons).

Lately, Westminster's football program hasn't been very good at all, and this is the Titan's first foray into the postseason in basketball in quite some time (I'm not counting their ECAC berth in '03-04).  So, maybe the 1st taste of post-season will peak the interest of some causing a greater than normal turnout to support the Titans. 

With all that said, I still don't think it's going too much out on a limb to think that the DeCarlo is going to be strongly pro-JCU on Friday night, however!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 28, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
BTW Toph, did you notice that JCU's spring break starts Friday?  Will that have any affect on the student turnout for the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on February 28, 2007, 04:21:03 PM
I didn't notice.  I would guess it probably would.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them leave on Thursday...that was usually the way things worked.  Hopefully there will be a good crowd sticking around. 

If nothing else, it could make getting a ticket Saturday a little easier if the Streaks win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2007, 04:49:09 PM
Lake Erie, in effect, will be on spring break as well.  Their spring break is March 5-11, but as March 5 is Monday, anyone going anywhere for spring break will be gone by Saturday, especially since it's just a one-week break.

Suddenly, that 750-seat gym isn't looking so small.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2007, 09:56:22 PM
Centre is the best defensive team in the SCAC, probably next followed by Trinity (TX).  In other words, the stats aren't lying! 

They also rely on 6' 91/2" John Patterson for solid rebounding and shot-blocking.  I swear Patterson is taller than his listed height.  He had a monster defensive game against Edrick Montgomery (Millsaps) in the SCAC tournament semi-final.  Montgomery is very athletic and vied for Player of the Year in the conference.  He also produced a double-double in points & boards against Millsaps.

Excellent passing team with good leadership from juniors and seniors on this team.  Guards shine on the Colonels with Nestheide taking POTY.  He hit 8 3's in the final game, including a 55 footer at the half.  He's a gamer.

Senior Matt Jacobson contributes in  a multiitude of ways - rebounding, defense, dribble-driving and sinking open 3's.
:)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 01, 2007, 08:16:12 AM
So, pbrooks, how's this game going to go?

My honest, as unbiased as possible prediction for the Carroll game tonight...Catholics in a walk over the Presbyterians.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:07:42 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Capital and/or John Carroll? Thanks much!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:25:42 PM
5 min to go

JCU by 1 

whoa!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:32:24 PM
1:18 left

JCU 83 Westminster 81 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:35:52 PM
6.4 second JCU lead 85-83

Westminster ball
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 01, 2007, 08:38:09 PM
Westminster layup to tie.......called a charge......JCU survives.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 01, 2007, 09:45:49 PM
Survives is right.  Hopefully JCU can put together two good halves on Saturday.  A better opponent would've stepped on the throat and sealed this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 01, 2007, 10:32:39 PM
Toph,

Were you at this game?  Was that charge call a good call?

I can't believe Westminster came this close to upsetting JCU on the road considering they were coming off of an almost 20 point loss at home to Grove City!  :o 

Was this a wake-up call for the Blue Streaks, or does this give some hope for the LEC Storm???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 02, 2007, 08:20:02 AM
I was at this game, and the charge (as unbiased as I can possibly be) was absolutely the right call.  Moran was there well before Joseph came barreling through. 

I don't think enough credit has been given to John Carroll for their defense on that play.  No matter what anyone says, I will forever refuse to believe that the Westminster coach drew that up.  There is no way that he wanted Joseph handling the ball and trying to score.  To his credit, Joseph saw an opening (he was left virtually unguarded) and took it.  As he was coming down the floor, though, I was thinking "This is exactly who I want handling the ball (as a Carroll fan)."  For Rosatelli to not touch the ball on the final posession is ridiculous.  The guy had 27 points and he was quicker than almost every other player on the floor.

Here is the story of the game, I think:  First half FGs for JCU 12-32 (37.5%), 1-12 (8.3%) from three, and 3-5 (60%) at the line.  Second half:  18-39, 5-11, 18-19

Mike Moran wins the "backhanded compliment of the year" award for this one:  "We played a good team that had a great night."  Translation:  "We should've won by 15."

I'll take the win, and I hope that the LEC players who were at the game think that this is the JCU team they're going to get...and again, I hope JCU puts together two good halves.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:26:12 AM
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 03, 2007, 10:28:47 AM
This is killing me. First off the JCU and WC game, it was a bad call and should have been a no call. (Rosatelli was double teamed in the back court which is why Joseph was so wide open.)  I mean Joseph missed the shot anyway but man what a terrible call. They let Mimes get away with over the back every single play so why not swallow this whistle on this one. Second, why is everyone saying "Ohhh JCU escaped and they weren't ready to play" how about this one.....WESTMINSTER IS A GOOD TEAM!! You don't win 18 ball games by being a bad team. Why does everyone think JCU is so great, they are a good team that I feel Westminster would beat them 50-55 times if they played 100 times. Stop that garbage about JCU getting a scare; they almost lost to a team that I thought was better. Rosatelli, Hannon and Adams were just as good as those guys if not better. All of you OAC guys need to wake up and realize your conference isn't the best thing since sliced bread. WC is that close to you guys no matter what kind of night it is, and the PAC obviously isn't as bad as you think. THE OAC ISN'T THAT GREAT, WC IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK!!!! I hope that JCU gets to Wooster. That final will be 101-82 Scots in a ROUT!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 03, 2007, 12:20:42 PM
Quote from: john201 on March 03, 2007, 10:28:47 AM
This is killing me. First off the JCU and WC game, it was a bad call and should have been a no call. I mean Joseph missed the shot anyway but man what a terrible call.

No, a charge is a charge.  Joseph plowed into Moran.  That's what happens when a guy who is 6-3 250 runs into a guy who is 5-10 160...and he missed the shot.

QuoteThey let Mimes get away with over the back every single play so why not swallow this whistle on this one.

No, they didn't.  If Mimes doesn't make contact, which he didn't very often, it's not over the back.  He reached over the WC players to tip the ball away from them.  He has an extremely large wingspan.  The fact that WC had no one in the post as athletic as him and didn't put a solid box out on him is hardly the fault of the referees.  Things might have been different if #42 could've gone 3 minutes without commiting a foul.

QuoteSecond, why is everyone saying "Ohhh JCU escaped and they weren't ready to play" how about this one.....WESTMINSTER IS A GOOD TEAM!!

Because JCU is a much better team than Westminster, that's why everyone is saying JCU wasn't ready to play. 

QuoteYou don't win 18 ball games by being a bad team.

No one said they were a bad team. 

QuoteWhy does everyone think JCU is so great, they are a good team that I feel Westminster would beat them 50-55 times if they played 100 times. Stop

No one said JCU was great, just better than Westminster and better than they showed Thursday night.  And as for Westminster winning 50 times if they played 100...I doubt it.  Rostelli is the only player that really gives WC any kind of advantage over this JCU team.

QuoteAll of you OAC guys need to wake up and realize your conference isn't the best thing since sliced bread

You're right, the MIAA is better...but that's about it.

QuoteWC is that close to you guys no matter what kind of night it is

No.  If they played in the OAC WC probably doesn't make the playoffs.

QuoteTHE OAC ISN'T THAT GREAT, WC IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK!!!!

Yes is is, and no they're not.  No one said they were bad, no one said they were undeserving.  They just aren't as good as JCU (or Capital, or Northern, or BW).  You're starting to sound like a three year old whose ball was taken away from him.

QuoteI hope that JCU gets to Wooster. That final will be 101-82 Scots in a ROUT!!!

I think even the Scots fans disagree with you here.  You do realize that JCU has a lot of success in the postseason, don't you? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
I'm certainly not looking forward to the possibility of seeing JCU in the Sweet Sixteen.  But after watching Capital last night, I have to wonder about how good the OAC actually was this season.  I saw Capital early in the season look very mediocre against Denison and Kenyon; I believe I actually employed the term "understank" to describe their win over Kenyon.  I was looking forward to seeing the improvements they must have made in order to end up as co-champions and tourney champions of a tough league like the OAC.  Instead, last night I saw the same team that struggled to beat lowly Denison in November. 

I operate from the assumption that, with all their talent, JCU is a better team than Capital, as were B-W and ONU, at least in spurts.  But I am at a loss to explain how such a mediocre team as Capital could have gone 5-2 against those three and won the OAC.  Capital's play against Centre, coupled with JCU's narrow win at home vs. Westminster, makes me concerned that Lake Erie might actually beat the Streaks tonight, which would be a tough pill for the OAC to swallow.  Then again, Lake Erie is another team that struggled to beat lowly Denison, so who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 03, 2007, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: Toph on March 03, 2007, 12:20:42 PM


QuoteAll of you OAC guys need to wake up and realize your conference isn't the best thing since sliced bread

You're right, the MIAA is better...but that's about it.


I believe you're thinking of the WIAC?  There have been years that the MIAA has been good, but I would never put that conference above the OAC.

Quote from: Toph on March 03, 2007, 12:20:42 PM

QuoteWC is that close to you guys no matter what kind of night it is

No.  If they played in the OAC WC probably doesn't make the playoffs.

I also wouldn't go that far as to say the Westminster wouldn't make the OAC Tournament.  I do agree that the Titans aren't as good as john201 is making them out to be, but at the same time, they aren't that bad that they wouldn't even finish in the top 8 of the OAC either.

Quote from: Toph on March 03, 2007, 12:20:42 PM

QuoteTHE OAC ISN'T THAT GREAT, WC IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK!!!!

Yes is is, and no they're not.  No one said they were bad, no one said they were undeserving.  They just aren't as good as JCU (or Capital, or Northern, or BW).  You're starting to sound like a three year old whose ball was taken away from him.

I totally agree with this.  Westminster did show that they were better than people might have thought and as an alumnus, I was proud to see the effort they put forth.  However, as Toph pointed out, while they did give JCU a good test, I still wouldn't be inclined to put the Titans in the same class as the B-W's, Northerns or JCU's.  Although, after seeing Cap's performance last night (or lack of one), I'm having trouble figuring out how they ended up winning the OAC?

Quote from: Toph on March 03, 2007, 12:20:42 PM

QuoteI hope that JCU gets to Wooster. That final will be 101-82 Scots in a ROUT!!!

I think even the Scots fans disagree with you here.  You do realize that JCU has a lot of success in the postseason, don't you? 
This Scots fan totally agrees with you Toph!  Given the recent history between Wooster and JCU in the Dance, I wouldn't give either team the edge at this point if they end up meeting each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 03, 2007, 01:03:47 PM
I meant the WIAC and when I said playoffs I meant national playoffs.  They would certainly make the OAC tourney.

As for Capital's showing last night...I wish I could've seen it, but I never thought they were better than JCU, BW, or ONU.  Sometimes in a crazy league, crazy things happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 03, 2007, 01:06:21 PM
Wait a minute. Toph you are going to sit here and tell me that Chris Day is a better player than Craig Hannon (1300 carreer points and still has a year left) and Nick Adams who had 16 points in the game? Rosatelli was not the only advantage WC had. The last time I checked you werent allowed to stand under the hoop, get there late and take a charge. It was an awful call that should have been a no call. And if you would have read what I said, Joseph did miss the shot so you're right it wouldn't have mattered. By the way, Westmini beat Marietta at Marietta by about 30 so to say that WC wouldn't make the OAC playoffs is a joke. John Carroll is not as good as you think, they are a good team but nothing for all of you fans to get all crazy about. They should beat Lake Erie but I have seen Wooster and the Scots will roll over this team. Mimes is the only player that can even play at the level of those guys. I'd love to see WC play more OAC teams because your eyes will open. OAC got blasted by Centre and got outplayed in the first round and got by. Again, JCU ISNT THAT GREAT!!!---- I feel like I am going Dan Hawkins here and having to point out the obvious. Go Scots. Tom Port is a beast.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: john201 on March 03, 2007, 01:06:21 PMBy the way, Westmini beat Marietta at Marietta by about 30 so to say that WC wouldn't make the OAC playoffs is a joke.

LOL!  You do realize that Marietta finished five full games out of the last playoff spot in the OAC, right?  That they were 5-20 on the season and 1-17 in the OAC?  That they are the rough equivalent of Thomas More?  I think you have a reasonable argument that Westminster is underrated, but a victory over Marietta by whatever margin (it was 25) on whatever court does not advance it.  In fact, by far the most damning thing you can point out about Ohio Northern was that they somehow managed to lose to 'Etta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 03, 2007, 01:35:47 PM
Re:  How in the World did Capital win the OAC?

Last night was the fifth time I've seen Capital this year, and second time on the road.  The two road losses had much more in common with each other than the three home wins.  Capital's effort last night was lacking, espeically later in the game.  Perhaps they really did just get tired; perhaps they were just never able to "gear up" enough to meet the level of competition that an NCAA game requires.

This is still a young team.  As I noted on the SCAC board and the national team profiles/preview board, Capital was already on something of a cinderella run.  Picked fifth in the OAC preseason poll, they rose above that and played better basketball late in the season and defended their home court to key their OAC tournament run, and the NCAA automatic bid.  The NCAA tournament game saw their sudden return to early season form- but this is a team gaining experience and they should be a legitimate factor in the OAC and perhaps into the NCAAs for next season, too.

I saw their lackluster effort last night, same as several of you, but I think we should note that this team already exceeding expectations and congratulate them on a good season that they should be able to build on next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 03, 2007, 11:15:05 PM
Got to get my two cents worth in regarding the recent discussions concerning Cap, John Carroll, Westminster College and the strenghts of  each team etc....I too am still trying to come to grips with just how Capital finished on top of the OAC. Overall I think John Carroll and ONU are better teams, but as posted previously, sometimes strange things happen in the OAC...John201 needs to take a look at recent history before proclaiming Wooster would administer a major "butt whipping"to John Carroll  should they meet in the tournament...ONU took down Wittenberg with relative ease early in the season and then at the Mose Hole Classic beat two pretty decent teams in Wooster and UW-LaCrosse in back to back contests...They couldn't get one win in four tries against Cap and John Carroll...Of course anything can happen in a tournament, but I don't see John Carroll or Wooster for that matter getting blown out by anybody in division III unless they have one of those "What the Hell happened to us" games like ONU had against Marietta...losing to them by four after having beaten them by thirty earlier in the season. I don't see JC getting to the final four, they just don't have the horses to get it done, but I do think they could give Wooster all they can handle. Oddly enough I have seen Wooster play twice this year and they lost both times, to ONU and Witt...Ther're a very good basketball team and well coached, but I don't see them as a final four team either. As for Westminster College....I doubt that they considered trouncing Marietta as a watershed moment in their season....By the way they won by twenty five, not "thirty or so"...98-73...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 04, 2007, 11:02:07 PM
Quote from: onefan on March 03, 2007, 11:15:05 PM
Oddly enough I have seen Wooster play twice this year and they lost both times, to ONU and Witt...Ther're a very good basketball team and well coached, but I don't see them as a final four team either.
First of all, it's hard to get a good gauge on a team after seeing them once or twice in a season.  I only saw ONU once, but I came away with them very impressed.  I really didn't foresee the fall they suffered as the OAC season wore on.  As for your opinion of Wooster not being a Final 4 caliber team after seeing them twice (granted both losses) I'd like to add that maybe if you had gotten the opportunity to witness any of their last 3 games you might change your opinion of Wooster being a Final 4 team.  Of course, JCU will not be an easy task in their quest to reach Salem, but as the coaches of each of their last 3 victims have stated, if Wooster continues to play at the level they have since the postseason began, they will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 05, 2007, 08:16:48 AM
Quote1300 carreer points and still has a year left

You forgot to add "in the PAC."  He may be a better player...but I didn't say that JCU had better players at every position.  Reread my post.  I said that Rostelli was the only player that gave WC a significant advantage at any position.  I can't believe we're still talking about this.  You lost, and JCU is in the Sweet 16.  Now we'll get to see if you're right about Wooster "rolling" over the Streaks.

In case you need a history lesson, in JCU's last two playoff appearances they're 3-0 against the NCAC...all on the road, not on a neutral floor.  I guarantee the Wooster players and fans don't have the same mindset that you do.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 03:02:38 PM
Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 06:04:25 PM
JCU ticket information:

Quote from: JCU websiteA limited number of tickets allotted to John Carroll for Friday night's game against Wooster will be sold at John Carroll beginning on Wednesday, March 7, from 12p - 7p and on Thursday, March 8, from 10a - 12a (or until sold out) at the DeCarlo Varsity Center entrance. Tickets are $7 for adults, $4 for senior citizens/students with ID/children. Children under 2 are free

Please note that Friday's games are being treated as a split session, meaning soon after the John Carroll-Wooster game has concluded, the gym will be cleared so that ticket holders for the second game between St. John Fisher and Brockport State can be seated.

The JCU vs. Wooster game will not be televised -- but will be carried on three separate /audio broadcasts
Those three broadcasts are JCU's student station (http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/news/tournament_central_ncaambk07.htm), WQKT/Wooster (http://www.wooster.edu/interactive/), and D3hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pacfollower on March 05, 2007, 09:46:32 PM
OAC is a good league, but nowhere near as good as they think. Moran's kid plays because his dad is the coach. Rosatelli from Westminster scorched him for 27 and dominated him all night.  Rosatelli and Hannon  from Westminster would easily start for John Carroll.

Walsh and Mims great players, but Wooster should roll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 10:56:58 PM
Quote from: pacfollower on March 05, 2007, 09:46:32 PM
Moran's kid plays because his dad is the coach. Rosatelli from Westminster scorched him for 27 and dominated him all night.

Yeah. After all, anyone could average in double figures. Those kids are a dime a dozen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pacfollower on March 05, 2007, 11:17:28 PM
Moran didn't score against Lake Erie, he is a stiff. Walsh and Mimes carry that team.  But they have a beaten coming against Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 11:22:15 PM
Guess we'll find out. I look forward to seeing that game in person.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 06, 2007, 10:21:56 AM
I wish I could share in the overconfidence that pacfollower and john201 seem to have in Wooster beating JCU, but I don't.  There's just something about John Carroll stepping it up a notch come tournament time.  Moran just seems to get the best out of his players this time of year, especially against Wittenberg and Wooster! 

Toph,

I was looking over the roster and statistics for JCU and it doesn't seem like they are as deep as in years past.  I remember their big thing when Wooster faced them back in the '03 and '04 tournaments was their 'hockey style' line changing.  Looking at the player's minutes, it doesn't seem like they play this scheme anymore.  How deep do the Blue Streaks go?  I noticed they have 4 guys right around 30 mpg in Moran, Mimes, Walsh and Day.  But after those 4, the minutes drop off considerably as there are 3 players listed averaging around 14-15 mpg.  I also was wondering who the 5th starter will likely be?  It looks like Moran can't settle on one 5th starter and it's been 2 freshman making a majority of starts.

Wooster plays pretty much an 8 man rotation.  I'm looking forward to seeing some of the matchups we'll see on Friday.  I'm wondering who Moore would put on Mimes and Walsh.  My guess would be that Tom Port would take Mimes.  I think Will and Vandervaart would be too slow to stay with Mimes.  I would guess a  combination of Andy Van Horn and Marty Bidwell (Wooster's defensive specialists) would be assigned to try and slow down Walsh.  These are just guesses on my part, of course.

Looking forward to Friday.  Unfortunately, I won't be there in person.  I had to choose between going this weekend or holding out hope that the Scots make it to Salem.  Needless to say, I would rather see the Scots in Salem than in Crapchester! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 06, 2007, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: pacfollower on March 05, 2007, 11:17:28 PM
Moran didn't score against Lake Erie, he is a stiff. Walsh and Mimes carry that team.  But they have a beaten coming against Wooster.

Hopefully you have an English lesson coming from someone.  You're right about Moran, though.  All he's doing is averaging 10 points and 5 assists per game.  What team could possibly use that kind of production out of their PG?  He has absolutely no talent and no leadership skills...if his dad wasn't the coach they would sit his 10 points and 5 assists on the bench where they should be.

And PAC folks who keep claiming that JCU is going to get drilled...you were saying the same thing when the Streaks beat Bethany in the first round a couple years back.  In fact, Bethany's fans were chanting "You'll lose Sat-ur-day (clap, clap, clap clap clap)."  In case you forgot, JCU didn't lose.

If JCU has a "beaten [sic]" coming from Wooster, what would the Scots do to WC?  In the event that WC ever has to play Woo should they even bother showing up?  Sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me.

A lot of you (from the PAC no less) keep saying "the OAC isn't that good" and yet the OAC keeps doing well in the postseason.  Ask the Wooster fans if they think the Streaks have a "beaten [sic]" coming.

ScotsFan-
I also won't be able to make it over the weekend.  If the Streaks manage to get to Salem I'll be there.

As for the team not being as deep, you're right.  They don't quite go 10 deep like they used to.  The "starters" are getting more minutes than they used to in Moran's system.  Often times in the second half he will abandon the platooning and play matchups.  Moran loves to platoon, but he also loves to win, and he'll tweak "the system" as much as necessary.  Think about it this way:  Would you want Brandon Mimes out of the game simply because 10 posessions have passed?

The players to watch are Pete Moran (but I hear he's a stiff...Witt fans probably agree ;)),
Mimes of course, Terry Walsh (he's been pretty cold throughout the playoffs, but hit some big shots against LEC), Rudy Kirbus (frosh from Iggy...you may remember him as a QB...plays great inside and out), John Curran (tough, gritty kid...plays the right way), Derek Smith came up large in the LEC game.  Curran and Smith are more roleplayers.  More than anything this team features a couple big players and several guys who just need to stay in their roles.  Still, they have enough weapons to be dangerous against anyone.

If I remember correctly Wooster struggled down low last time the two teams met.  I expect much of the offense to go through Mimes because he will be the most athletic player on the floor.  Wooster's ability to shoot from the outside really helped them last time.  John Carroll will need to play better defense to win.  Their help side D (something Lake Erie does surprisingly well) was awful in the first two tournament games.

Hope it's a good one on Friday, and I hope JCU's streak against the NCAC continues!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 06, 2007, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 06, 2007, 10:21:56 AMI'm wondering who Moore would put on Mimes and Walsh.  My guess would be that Tom Port would take Mimes.  I think Will and Vandervaart would be too slow to stay with Mimes. 

My guess would be that the assignment to guard Mimes will rotate through the lineup, including all three mentioned above, and probably Bidwell, Fulk, Van Horn, and even Cooper at times as well.  Port may be the best defender of a big, athletic scorer, but we can't afford for him to get in foul trouble. 

Oh, and Port's pretty athletic himself, for those who haven't seen him this season. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on March 06, 2007, 12:07:48 PM
Scotsfan, You are right. It is difficult to gauge a team based upon two games, especially two losses and in reviewing the balance of their season they certainly had some impressive wins against some solid opponents.   Wooster may very well get it done this year, if they continue to play the calibur of basketball they are capable of playing, but tournament basketball is a different animal...."one and done" can bring out the deer in the headlights look at the most inopportune moments... As for John Carroll vs. Wooster....I think Wooster has better personnel, but JC does tend to turn it up come tournament time. Got to go with the talent.. Wooster in a close one...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 06, 2007, 09:58:31 PM
I am going to agree with David.  I do however think that Van Horn and Bidwell will be on Walsh most of the game.  But we can't afford to have Port in foul trouble guarding Mimes.
Also I'd like to say it's nice to see that someone finally has Mimes listed as a center on the roster instead of a guard as he was tagged for the entire year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 07, 2007, 10:35:02 AM
Quote from: Toph on March 06, 2007, 10:32:38 AM
If I remember correctly Wooster struggled down low last time the two teams met.  I expect much of the offense to go through Mimes because he will be the most athletic player on the floor.  Wooster's ability to shoot from the outside really helped them last time.  John Carroll will need to play better defense to win.  Their help side D (something Lake Erie does surprisingly well) was awful in the first two tournament games.

Hope it's a good one on Friday, and I hope JCU's streak against the NCAC continues!
The last time these two teams met was in the 'Elite 8' in '04 was it not?  Port was only in his 1st year with the program and he was the only player on Wooster's current roster that saw minutes in that game.  Brandon Mimes and Pete Moran are the only 2 on JCU's roster that saw action in that game as well.  So to draw any analysis from that game wouldn't really be relevant to Friday's meeting.  Just out of curiosity,  I also looked up the box score from that last meeting and it wasn't really JCU's inside game that beat Wooster, it was Mike Grogan going 6-9 from 3-point range.   :o ???

As for Friday's game, I looked over the box scores for JCU's last 2 tournament games and it looks as if JCU has a weakness defending guards.  Three out of the top four scorers for LEC were guards (arguably all 4 were guards as Thornton is listed as a G/F).  Likewise, Westminster had 3 in double figures and they were all guards led by Rosatelli's 27.  This looks like it could play big time into Wooster's favor as it's no secret that the strength of this team is the guard play and their perimeter shooting.  Seeing as how JCU allowed Rosatelli to go off for 27, I'm guessing James Cooper for Wooster is licking his chops to see what he can do!

This week is just dragging!  I just wish Friday would get here so we can get on with the Tournament!!! :P ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
FYI...

I just opened up a new topic in the Multi-Region room concerning this sectional.
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5165.new#new

It might make it easier for the followers of all 4 teams to discuss the tournament there; one-stop shopping.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 07, 2007, 08:47:13 PM
Toph,

10 and 5 OMG WHAT GREAT NUMBERS!!!! I mean the kid fouled out of the LEC game and oh wait they came back and won with his butt firmly on the bench. Wake up, Moran is 26 and still isnt what you think he is. Wooster did smack WC the last 2 years but were not comparing those two teams. JCU has one coming, Wooster is peaking while JCU is having a tough time. A REAL TOUGH time even being in the sweet sixteen. Wooster is just better, better coach, better guards, the big men might be a JCU advantage because of Mimes, but Port and Vandaarvart (spelling?) are very very good players...my final guess 95-79, not even that close. Oh yea you said Hannon has 1300 pts in the PAC....ITS STILL 1300 PTS in three years!!!!! Go Scots!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: superman57 on March 07, 2007, 10:03:35 PM
ok I promised it earlier here it is...I forget who did it last year but someone did for the Amherst Sectional and it was really helpful   this is a list of good places for food and for the most part I will try to include google map directions...

Ok first off your one stop places for just about everything that you need

Eastview Mall-the best of the malls in rochester...has the normal food court places

Johnny Rockets-$-relativly cheap chain resturant good burgers a nice atmosphere

Champs-$$$1/2-A more expensive sports bar-it is your place to be if you want to watch any of the games on friday or saturday...lots of tvs and decent food

PF Changs never been there before but have heard decent things about it.

Biaggi's Italion-haven't heard anything about it but here is the websiteBiaggis


and here is the eastview mall website

Pittsford plaza is a great place to go do a little shopping, there is a very nice grocery store, and if you've never been to a wegmans it is a whole new experiance and several of the buildings at fisher are named after the wegmans family... Applebee's is in this plaza along with someother resturants that I'm not familiar with...also a good cheap movie theater  Pittsford Plaza website....this is 5 minutes from the fisher campus....

I will post what I know about Fairport hots because that is where I get my plates...they range from around $6-8or9 depending on how hungry you are...they are good, not the best but definatly good and close to fisher...right next to Fairport hots is Baird Road Pub...last time I heard ex-fisher basketball player Raymie Aumen was doing a little bartending...who knows what he is up to now...this is easy to find you take a left out of the main fisher campus and go two-three miles if you get to the mobile station, a friendly's and a 7-11 you've gone to far it is on the corner of Fairport road and baird road at a light....


anyother questions please ask
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Walker Bobby on March 07, 2007, 10:43:13 PM
I was in Rochester in 2002 when the JCU football team played Brockport State ... and I have nothing but good things to say about the town. There's enough to do as far as a night life goes, and as long as the weather cooperates, its easy enough to get around. Of course, my memories of Rochester are good ones ;D

BTW, John201, you have made three posts on this board. All negative toward John Carroll. Not just negative, downright nasty. Not just nasty, downright ugly. What gives? Did Pete Moran steal your girl? Did Mike Moran cut you from the team? I watched both games, and I give some credit to a team that rallies from double figures down in the second half. Those rallies were not flukish.  That is the way the Streaks have played at times this year, a toughness born of playing in a league where every game is a struggle. Ask ONU, who beat Wooster, how tough the OAC is. Ask BW and Tori Davis, who is sure to be an All-American, how tough the OAC is.

John, I hate to say this, but you come across is a poor loser whose arguments are insipid.

I believe Wooster is probably a better team, and if this were the NBA, they would certainly be favored in a seven-game series. But in a one-shot deal, anything can happen.

Good luck to everyone this weekend. I look forward to some good games to listen to. Maybe I'll have a reason to venture up Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2007, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: john201 on March 07, 2007, 08:47:13 PM
Go Scots!!

This is kinda silly too. If JCU advances it makes Lake Erie look better. If JCU loses right away it makes Lake Erie look worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 08, 2007, 08:33:49 AM
john-

I never said Moran put up unbelievable numbers, but who wouldn't take 10 points and 5 assists per night?  Robert Williams from LEC averages a slightly better numbers (.5 assists and 1.1 points higher) against significantly worse competition...is he a stiff too?  I don't think Coach Hunt (a class act) would share your sentiments about the JCU program.

Secondly, don't tell me about Wooster.  I've forgotten more about the Wooster program than you've ever known.  Tom Port happens to be one of my favorite players in Division III. 

I agree, Moore is one hell of a coach.  I don't need to tell you about his career statistics, but don't act like Moran is chopped liver.  Not to belittle Moore's record, but Moran would have a higher winning percentage than 59% (obviously not good enough for you) if he got to play Earlham, Hiram, Kenyon, and Wabash twice a year.  Obviously, those aren't guaranteed wins, and you still have to have your guys ready to play, but even the biggest NCAC fan will tell you that the competitive balance in the OAC is much stronger.  All Moran has done is lead his team to eight NCAA tournament appearances in 15 years (including three of the last four...all three of which they've advanced to at least the Sweet Sixteen)...again, this might not be good enough for you, but as an alumni, I'll take it.

Look, I'm sorry JCU took your ball away, but somebody has to lose.  At least you've gone out with class and dignity.  Oh, and for the record, I think Moran is 27...as if that has anything to do with anything.

Should be fun this weekend, wish I could make the trip.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 08, 2007, 06:56:19 PM
Toph and others,

I do apologize for coming off slightly bitter, I was very upset with the WC loss and I expressed my opinion on the matter about the OAC and JCU and that whole bit. I did not mean to be "downright nasty" in any way shape or form. I have NOTHING and I mean NOTHING personal against anyone from JCU or any kid on any team. I am a PAC fan which is why I feel we got shorted when everyone was saying that JCU escaped, the point I wanted to make was that WC was better than you guys thought. I never once said that Mike Moran is chopped liver as a coach, I just feel that Moore is a better coach overall no matter the competition. I understand what Moran has done with JCU, a lot of coaches would kill for that resume, but Moore to me is a better overall coach. As far as the Wooster program, I haven't followed them long and you are right Toph when you say you have forgotten more about the program that I have, but I do know a lot about the last few years and the Wooster teams and I feel this is the best team they have had in the last 4 years. I will stand by my pick that Wooster will win in a route, and like you Toph I wish I could be there. I think having the game at St John Fisher is a crime and Wooster should play with a chip on their shoulder, they should be hosting. I respect your opinions Toph and I certainly do not want anyone thinking I am trying to belittle anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Walker Bobby on March 08, 2007, 09:17:51 PM
Just taking a look at this argument ...

Moore better than Moran.

Moran vs. Moore = Moran 3-1 ... 2-1 on the Wooster home floor.

Arguably, Moore had the better team in three of those four meetings, and arguably Wooster again has the better team in 2007. Yet, the only Wooster win over JCU was back in 2003 and was courtesy of a Rodney Mitchell jumper with three seconds left ... after JCU took a two-point lead into the final minute of play. The other games were JCU wins that seem a little more decisive. Found this as my proof (although it seems like it needs updating ... time is still listed as TBA for the game Friday ... and Mimes is still a guard).

http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/gamenotesmbk.pdf

So John201, while I understand and admire your passion and loyalty toward Westminster, I am not sure I follow your logic on the coaching front. Both have been the dominant forces in their respective leagues, and both have been to a Final Four -- both placing third. I'd see it as pretty even up.

If you are basing it on Moore's overall record, keep in mind, JCU plays BW, Ohio Northern, Otterbein, Capital and Muskingum at least twice a year ... Wooster plays Wittenberg and ... well, Wittenberg two, sometimes three times a year. I wonder how Moran's record would look if he got Oberlin, Denison, Earlham, Hiram (well, he used to get them twice) and Kenyon twice a year. According to the game notes, he's 16-5 against the NCAC. That about a 75% winning percentage.

Just food for thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 08, 2007, 11:09:03 PM
I have to say first of all that I think that Moran is a great coach and he has done wonderfully at JCU while he has been there. 
But...to say that Wooster doesn't get competition besides Wittenberg is a lie.  Coach Moore always schedules tough teams out of conference.  This year alone we played Georgetown, Walsh, Cedarville, Southern California Baptist, ONU, Calvin...all top ranked teams in their leagues. 
We've also played BW a couple of times in the past couple of years. 
Obviously Coach Moore knows that our conference is on the weaker side and that is why he schedules these tough teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Walker Bobby on March 09, 2007, 12:26:00 AM
division3hoops

not what I said ... note that I said who you face twice. That will add losses quicker when you have quality up and down a conference schedule year in year out. Its not like JCU has cupcakes in its non-conf -- DI Loyola and Cleveland State were two of the Streaks' nine losses. Last year, JCU helped Hope open its new home. So I think that's a wash when it comes to out of league. I'm talking IN conference. Who knows ... from what I have heard from various alums, maybe one day soon JCU will get to find that out as members of the NCAC (new prez is definitely looking at all options)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: Walker Bobby on March 08, 2007, 09:17:51 PM

If you are basing it on Moore's overall record

didn't sound like you were talking about conference  there...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 09, 2007, 08:30:40 AM
Quote from: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: Walker Bobby on March 08, 2007, 09:17:51 PM

If you are basing it on Moore's overall record

didn't sound like you were talking about conference  there...

He's making the same point I did yesterday.  When you play a weak bottom half twice a year, that's going to add a lot of wins faster than a tough out of conference schedule will add losses (because of how good Wooster is...they win more than they lose even with a tough schedule).  This isn't a knock a Moore.  You don't see a guy win as much as he does too often.  My point, and I think Walker Bobby's point, is that if Moran got Oberlin, Kenyon, Hiram (again), Denison, and Earlham twice a year he'd have more career W's. 

By the way, a team in blue and gold beat a team in black (and brown) and gold yesterday at the MAC tourney...a good omen perhaps? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 04:19:17 PM
Well I will agree with you and say that I think the OAC has more competition, it's not to say that the NCAC can't offer competition.  Look at both OWU and Allegheny this year, who both beat Witt. 
I'm just tired of hearing that the only reason Wooster has a good record every year is because our conference is weak....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 09, 2007, 04:38:15 PM
Quote from: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 04:19:17 PM
I'm just tired of hearing that the only reason Wooster has a good record every year is because our conference is weak....

Nobody here said that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 09, 2007, 06:39:21 PM
35-32 Scots at half. Closer than I expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 09, 2007, 07:48:39 PM
Final:  Wooster 83  John Carroll 73

Great win for Wooster as they go to the ELITE EIGHT!   

Wooster was led by Tim Vandervaart with 16 points, Tom Port with 16 points, Brandon Johnson with 14 points, James Cooper with 13 points and Devin Fulk with 10 points.

John Carroll was led by Rudy Kirbus with 23 points, Brandon Mimes with 21 points (11 boards), Terry Walsh with 11 points and Pete Moran with 11 points.

Wooster is now 28-3    Next up is the St. John Fisher/Brockport winner.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 09, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
I know nobody here said that, I was just making a point.

Onto other things, I just wanted to say that I was extremely impressed with JCU's team, their defense in particular.  They played really well.  Moran was all over everyone he was guarding the entire night. 
Wooster was luckily able to work their magic but to no ease.  Congrats to JCU on a great season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 09, 2007, 09:44:36 PM
I would like to add my congratulations as well to the John Carroll Blue Streaks and Coach Moran on a fine season.

Special note of congratulations to John Carroll Seniors Brandon Mimes, Terry Walsh and Pete Moran on their terrific collegiate careers!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 09, 2007, 09:50:00 PM
JCU played great, and they played with class.  It was a great game, and they represented their university very well.  Congratulations to the Streaks!  :)

And that JCU pep band is still awesome!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on March 10, 2007, 06:42:13 AM
Toph-

Thanks for being a major JCU supporter on this board for all of us alum (Class of 96).  I have one question now that the season has ended:  Is it just me or are you worried for next year?  I havent run the numbers but I would say that 95%+ of their offense is graduating and nothing seems to be lurking in the JR, SO class for talent.  In prior years they had some production in at least two sets of classes i.e SR and JRs.  This year it was all SRs.  Even looking back on this season I think they would have been hurting if Walsh hadnt transferred into the school.

I look forward to your opinion and keep up the good work. 

Go Streaks
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 12, 2007, 08:36:15 AM
Congrats to Wooster!  Keep it going.  I'd love to say JCU lost to the champs. 

Sorry it took me so long to get to my thoughts on the weekend.

First things first, I was at the MAC tourney so I was unable to listen to the games.  I had to settle for constant text message/phone call updates, but I always knew what was going on in the JCU/Woo game.  Like we all thought, Wooster was the better team and came out on top.  JCU kept it pretty close for most of the night, and lost to a better team, simple as that.  Congrats to the JCUers and coaches on another fine season.

fishermba-
I am worried about next season, but remember that JCU does have some young guns.  Kirbus is one hell of a player and he's only a freshman.  Johnny Curran will be back next year...but you're right, they have a lot of holes to fill.  I am particularly interested in Desmond Motley, who received rave reviews at Euclid from my good friend Dan Coughlin at Fox 8, but never dressed.  I would think that you'd be able to fit a 6-4 athletic foward into any rotation, but let's not forget that Moran has about 250 and change more career wins at John Carroll than I do.   ;)

One thing that we can always count on, Moran recruits extremely well (it doesn't hurt that he has former players scattered all over the area as head and assistant high school coaches).  As long as Mike Moran is leading the program, I'll approach each new season with optimism.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on March 12, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
Toph-

Thanks for the insight.  Something else crossed my mind over the weekend.  Why doesnt Mimes have another year of eligibility left after sitting out last season?  Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 12, 2007, 12:08:20 PM
Quote from: fishermba on March 12, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
Toph-

Thanks for the insight.  Something else crossed my mind over the weekend.  Why doesnt Mimes have another year of eligibility left after sitting out last season?  Just curious.

This is information that I am not privy to.  I am an alum now ('06) and can't keep my ear as low to the ground as it used to be.  I would guess that it is possible that he has another year of eligability, but I can't speak with any certainty.  Also, there is the matter of whether he is willing and able to pay for another year at John Carroll if he does have another year left. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 12, 2007, 12:23:24 PM
I wouldn't see why he wouldn't have another year of eligibily left.  I think it would just be a matter of, as you said Toph, whether or not he would be willing or able to foot the bill for another year at JCU, or whether he even wanted to for that matter.

I will say this.  Having Mimes back next year would change the entire complexion of that team.  It would definately remove some of the questions for the Blue Streaks heading into next season.

Without Mimes, I'm not so sure that even as good as Kurbis showed he was capable of becoming in his last 3 contests, I don't even he can carry JCU to another playoff run.

As it stands right now, I'd have to say that Cap looks to be the team to beat in the OAC heading into next season and by a considerable margin at that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: john201 on March 12, 2007, 12:57:41 PM
I heard a rumor, and it is just a rumor from after the WC and JCU game...Did Mimes take last year off to try and walk on for the Cleveland St. hoops team? I heard that and if its true he can't come back and play because that year would count because it's at the D-1 level. If someone could clear that up thatd be great. Congrats to Wooster. Love to see them win it all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 12, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: john201 on March 12, 2007, 12:57:41 PM
I heard a rumor, and it is just a rumor from after the WC and JCU game...Did Mimes take last year off to try and walk on for the Cleveland St. hoops team? I heard that and if its true he can't come back and play because that year would count because it's at the D-1 level. If someone could clear that up thatd be great.

That was a rumor that was flying around both the JCU campus and these message boards.  That is not true.  I can tell you with certainty that Brandon Mimes was enrolled at John Carroll all of last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on March 13, 2007, 06:03:26 AM
Toph-

Another topic I would like your insight on.....Do you think Rudy Kirbus will have a better football or basketball career at JCU? He was a solid FB player at Iggy.

Take Care
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 13, 2007, 08:19:17 AM
Well, with Mark Petruziello being "ohhnly a soph-o-more," as Keith Jackson might say I think it might be pretty tough for Rudy to get a lot of snaps in the next two years.  I don't know if you got a chance to see any JCU football games this year, but Petruziello looks like he has the makings of a pretty good QB.  He sees the field well, has nice touch on the ball, and can scramble extremely well.  He even kept the Mount game inside of 70!   ::)

Right now, basketball has a leg up for Kirbus.  As you and I have both speculated it looks like he's going to have to be a major part of the offense next year.  You just have to wonder how many of those open looks from the outside he had this year are going to be taken away without Mimes down low scaring the hell out of defenses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on July 20, 2007, 09:21:12 PM
Here's an update from Ohio (or rather, an update of Ohio from North Dakota).  Schedules are not complete as regards tournament pairings unless otherwise noted:

OAC:
Baldwin-Wallace:  men (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/sched/); women  (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/wbb/sched/)
Capital:  men (http://www.capital.edu/internet/default.aspx?pid=13225); women (http://www.capital.edu/internet/default.aspx?pid=13230)
Heidelberg (not posted)
John Carroll (not posted)
Marietta:  men (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/mbasketball/schedule.html); women (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/wbasketball/schedule.html)
Mount Union:  men (http://www.muc.edu/athletics/men_s_teams/basketball/2007_08_schedule); women (http://www.muc.edu/athletics/women_s_teams/basketball/2007_08_women_s_basketball_schedule)
Muskingum (not posted)
Ohio Northern (not posted)
Otterbein (not posted)
Wilmington:  men (http://www2.wilmington.edu/mens-basketball/calendar.cfm?month=07&curr_year=2007); women (http://www2.wilmington.edu/womens-basketball/calendar.cfm?month=07&curr_year=2007)

NCAC:
Allegheny:  men  (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/menbb/results.php)(complete); women (http://www.allegheny.edu/athletics/womenbb/results.php)
Denison (not posted)
Earlham (not posted)
Hiram (not posted)
Kenyon:  men  (http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x23821.xml)(complete); women (http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x23822.xml)
Oberlin (not posted)
Ohio Wesleyan (not posted)
Wabash (not posted)
Wittenberg:  men  (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/mbasketball/schedule07-08.html)(complete); women (http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/wbasketball/schedule07-08.html)
Wooster:  men (not posted); women  (http://athletics.wooster.edu/wb/schedule.php)(complete)

HCAC:
Anderson: (I couldn't get to their %#*@^ website) :-[
Bluffton:  men (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/mensbasketball/2008/schedule.html); women (http://www.bluffton.edu/sports/womensbasketball/2008/schedule.html)
Defiance:  men (not posted); women (http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/womens_basketball_schedule_0708.html)
Franklin:  men (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=2); women (http://www.franklincollege.edu/athweb/ath_calendar.cfm?sid=9)
Hanover:  men (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcmbbresults.htm); women (http://sports.hanover.edu/hcwbbresults.htm)
Manchester (not posted)
Mt. St. Joseph:  men (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp); women (http://www.msj.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/sched0708/index.asp)
Rose-Hulman:  men  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/0708mbb.htm)(complete); women  (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/wbasket/0708wbb.htm)(complete)
Transylvania:  men  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/m_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-men-sub-m_basketball-topic-m_basketball)(complete); women  (http://www.transy.edu/sec_page.asp-content-athletics/w_basketball/07schedule.htm-folder-women-sub-w_basketball-topic-w_basketball)(complete)

Other Ohio schools:
Case Western Reserve:  men (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/mbasketball/schedule.htm); women (http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/winter/wbasketball/schedule.htm)
Lake Erie (not posted)

Yes, I know these are not all Ohio schools, but they are the three conferences with at least 3 Ohio schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on September 07, 2007, 05:59:59 PM
Its been pretty dead in here over the summer, but with hoops just around the corner i thought i could stir things up with a bold prediction. For the 2008 OAC Championship....Capital loses by a game to....the Heidelberg College Student Princes :o... but Cap takes the tourney.... Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 10:58:18 AM
Basketball23

Although I have been absent from the D-3 posting board for few years or so, I too have heard that Captial and Da Berg are slatted as favorites.  Not since Matt Adams, Adam Smith and Foster were playing in Tiffin (early-mid 90's) were the Student Princesses picked to having a winning record let alone contend.  Based on last year, they were fairly even production wise with the likes of Shriver, Lemmon and Schmidt.  One of those guys is going to have to step up and carry the team. Prediction OAC champ will have 3-4 conference loses.  Should be much parity amongst the 2-6 teams. ONU and JCU are always dangerous and should again contend.  Other than Nate Stahl from Cap Brandon Todd of Muskingum and Stu Anglum of MTU the OAC appears to be down a little talent wise.  What do you guys think? Andy word on incoming Freshman?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on September 13, 2007, 01:42:52 PM
This may come off a bit rude although i dont meant it to be but, I agree with your prediction on number of losses thats usually the case. However,  having Stu Anglum's name in the same sentence as Brandon Todd and Nate Stahl in a conversation about talent is an absolute joke. He's a good player on a bad team. Walsh from JCU is near that level. Then theres about 10-15 guys a notch or 2 behind. I'm not even sure i'd put Stu there. The guards in the leauge this year are pretty tough which is a change from the last 4 years when post players dominated but that will happen when you lose Brandon Mimes, Tyler Ousley, and Tori Davis all of which were legit all-american canidates the last two years. Davis and Ousley both were last year i believe. As for newcomers look for Tyler Felt from Musky and Brown from BW (First Name escapes me). They both are D-2 Transfers and should be able to come in and play well right away. Felt transfered in last year but had some foot problems and didnt play much. Havent heard much about new Freshman however.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 05:23:51 PM
With reagrds to Stu, everyone has there opinion.  I am not partial either way.  I kind of feel the same about Brandon Todd.  I know that Geno is in the process of turning that program into an elite preformer and it sounds like some peviously scholarship transfers may be a geat way to accelerate that time line.  Muskingum's problem is location.  That is a hard one to over come.  JCU BW CAP Ott heck even Wilmington and Mount are better located for those student athlets concerned with a social aspect of college.  I know Ada isn't a merto mecca but ONU gets its players based on tradition of wimming and the fact that other than the Berg not many recruit the northwest part of the state.  That leaves Musk MAR and Heid with the scraps.  Just an opinion. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on September 13, 2007, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 05:23:51 PMI kind of feel the same about Brandon Todd.  I know that Geno is in the process of turning that program into an elite preformer [...]

Geno Ford has returned to Kent State, where he will be an assistant coach this season.  The head coach at Muskingum is now Gene Ford, Geno's father.

http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/basketball_m/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 09:08:54 PM
David, thanks for the update and clarification about the Ford's.  I am not sure sure my thoughts about Geno's departure.  Disappointed because I felt confident he would draw some premium recruits and further stregthen the OAC.  Happy maybe because we would have a chance at some recruits if he wasn't around.  Congrats to him on the opportunity.  I wonder how long before the OU bobcats have him as a coach.

Preseason 1st Team All OAC Picks
Nate Stahl, Capital 
Brandon Todd, Muskingum 
Ross Banaszak, Otterbein 
Stu Anglum, Mount Union
Shawn Shriver, Heidelberg 
Brendan Schuler, Baldwin-Wallace 

Others to watch
Fred Harrison, Wilmington 
Ryan Wood, Capital
Steve Kyser, Capital 
Isaiah Creasap, Marietta
Andrew Lemmon, Heidelberg
Brian Schmidt, Heidelberg 
Kyle Gehle, Ohio Northern
Zach Broermann, Wilmington

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
I have been thinking about the All Decade team and I think the OAC representative should be Jeff Gibbs.  I know some are going to say Davis from BW (either one) but it would be hard to get more than one from the OAC.  I saw a Woo fan nominated Nelson and I think he is a consideration but hard to top the following: Andy Panko, Devean George, Jeff Gibbs, Rick Melzer, Adam Dauksas, Kory Koon, Merrill Brunson.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2007, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
I have been thinking about the All Decade team and I think the OAC representative should be Jeff Gibbs.  I know some are going to say Davis from BW (either one) but it would be hard to get more than one from the OAC.  I saw a Woo fan nominated Nelson and I think he is a consideration but hard to top the following: Andy Panko, Devean George, Jeff Gibbs, Rick Melzer, Adam Dauksas, Kory Koon, Merrill Brunson.  Thoughts?

I'm delighted that you've named TWO IWU Titans (and, unlike most, you got Dauksas spelled right, but, like most, you muffed on Korey Coon!); I'd add a third Titan for consideration: Keelan Amelianovich was 2nd team AA as a soph, 1st team as both a junior and senior.

One other name that comes immediately to mind: has Ben Strong emerged too late for consideration?  Three others that merit consideration (and all three names are slipping from mind at the moment, but many will know who I'm speaking of): the William Patterson player who broke my heart (as a Titan fan) in 2001, then played for the Pistons, and the two 'scoring machines' from Lincoln.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2007, 05:16:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2007, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: OLDPIO on September 13, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
I have been thinking about the All Decade team and I think the OAC representative should be Jeff Gibbs.  I know some are going to say Davis from BW (either one) but it would be hard to get more than one from the OAC.  I saw a Woo fan nominated Nelson and I think he is a consideration but hard to top the following: Andy Panko, Devean George, Jeff Gibbs, Rick Melzer, Adam Dauksas, Kory Koon, Merrill Brunson.  Thoughts?

I'm delighted that you've named TWO IWU Titans (and, unlike most, you got Dauksas spelled right, but, like most, you muffed on Korey Coon!); I'd add a third Titan for consideration: Keelan Amelianovich was 2nd team AA as a soph, 1st team as both a junior and senior.

One other name that comes immediately to mind: has Ben Strong emerged too late for consideration?  Three others that merit consideration (and all three names are slipping from mind at the moment, but many will know who I'm speaking of): the William Patterson player who broke my heart (as a Titan fan) in 2001, then played for the Pistons, and the two 'scoring machines' from Lincoln.

Horace Jenkins was the William Paterson player. Jarett Kearse and Kyle Myrick were the Lincoln players.

C'mon, Chuck ... just within Illinois and Wisconsin you're leaving out Derek Reich, Sherm Carstensen, Jason Wiertel, and Jason Kalsow. And that's just the big men.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2007, 10:59:38 AM
I don't think I'm revealing anything unusual if I say that Jeff Gibbs is a lock.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 14, 2007, 07:21:54 PM
Greg, you had to remind me of Horace Jenkins' name - now the nightmares can start all over again!  (Actually, I became a huge fan of his once he ALMOST caught on with the Pistons - I'm surprised he hasn't caught on elsewhere, but the Pistons were just too loaded at guard.)

As for Lincoln, I was actually thinking of Myrick and Sami Wylie (who broke his single-game scoring record, though under tainted circumstances).  And yeah, I left out plenty of people - Kalsow got omitted because when I saw him list Melzer, my brain read Kalsow (guess it is only capable of one WIAC superstar at a time :().  I have no excuse at all for leaving off Reich, though I wasn't attempting a full list.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 15, 2007, 09:05:58 PM
When I started thinking of names for the all decade team, I wanted to make sure that I didn't overload players from one particular conference or team, becuase I new the attacks would begin.  With that being said I picked Melzer over Kaslow based only on personal choice.  I was struggling to come up with a player from either Calvin of Hope to also be represented.  Any thoughts?  I totally for got Jenkins and feel pretty strongly he should be on the team.  Will the All Decade team be 5 first teamers with a second and 3rd team>  Also will the team be picked on position or BEST palyers?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OLDPIO on September 15, 2007, 09:39:11 PM
I think I may have an answer for the calvin/hope representative, Joel Holstege.  However I cant remember his playing years and if or if not he would fall within the dcade time requirements.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on September 15, 2007, 10:27:08 PM
Holstege graduated in 1998.  Technically he qualifies.   He was a tremendous player at Hope, but I doubt he was one of the best all-decade players for all of D3.


Jeremy Veenstra from Calvin would be another choice, but again, not sure he was one of the all-decade best players in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 16, 2007, 12:22:29 AM
Quote from: sac on September 15, 2007, 10:27:08 PM
Holstege graduated in 1998.  Technically he qualifies.   He was a tremendous player at Hope, but I doubt he was one of the best all-decade players for all of D3.


Jeremy Veenstra from Calvin would be another choice, but again, not sure he was one of the all-decade best players in D3.

How about Aaron Winkle?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on September 16, 2007, 09:20:32 PM
Winkle graduated in 2000, so yeah he qualifies.

He's probably in the same category as Veenstra
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 02, 2007, 10:59:34 PM
Seemed like no better place to mention this:

Congratulations to Capital, Baldwin-Wallace, John Carroll and Ohio Northern, who all received rankings/votes in the 2007-2008 d3hoops preseason poll.

Capital, ranking at #10, could be both an OAC and a national power this season.  Then again, knowing this conference, they could go something like 7-9 in the league.    ;D

Baldwin-Wallace earned slot #20 from the voters.

Rounding out the league, John Carroll and Ohio Northern were both in the "others receiving votes" category (were this ranked, they would be 39th and 41st, respectively).


I don't have any analysis of this personally, as I am barely getting back into basketball mode. Most of you would've known me last season as "scotsbrod," btw. I decided to make a moniker switch in the off-season.

Well, here's to another fun year in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on November 07, 2007, 02:08:56 PM
OAC Pre-Season Poll came out today....

Men’s Coaches Poll
Rank School (first Place Votes) Pts.
1.  Capital [8] 80
2. Heidelberg (1) 61
3. John Carroll (1) 60
4. Ohio Northern 53
5. Baldwin-Wallace 52
6. Muskingum 44
7. Wilmington 36
8. Otterbein 34
9. Mount Union 21
10. Marietta 9

About what i expected just kind of surprised Heidelberg was so high and Wilmington was so low. Wilmington returns everyone from a talented/athletic team that no one wanted to play down the stretch last year. Also curious to see who didnt have Cap first. Obviously they cant vote for themselves but that still leaves a first place vote not accounted for. Should be another interesting year. Thoughts/Comments?


EDITED by D. Collinge to get rid of that annoying cool-dude smiley that pops up whenever anyone puts an 8 in parentheses)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 07, 2007, 07:17:02 PM
I think it's interesting that B-W is picked 5th when they are ranked 20th in the pre-season D3hoops.com poll.  Meanwhile Heidelberg checks in at #2 in the OAC Coaches Poll when they aren't even receiving a single vote in the D3hoops.com poll. 

Based on returning players, Capital should win hands down.  But going by past history and the unpredictability of the OAC, it wouldn't surprise me to see any one of 5-6 teams challenge for the title when it's all said and done.  Once again, it should make for some very entertaining basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: oacplayer on November 11, 2007, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: Basketball23 on November 07, 2007, 02:08:56 PM
OAC Pre-Season Poll came out today....

Men’s Coaches Poll
Rank School (first Place Votes) Pts.
1.  Capital [8] 80
2. Heidelberg (1) 61
3. John Carroll (1) 60
4. Ohio Northern 53
5. Baldwin-Wallace 52
6. Muskingum 44
7. Wilmington 36
8. Otterbein 34
9. Mount Union 21
10. Marietta 9

About what i expected just kind of surprised Heidelberg was so high and Wilmington was so low. Wilmington returns everyone from a talented/athletic team that no one wanted to play down the stretch last year. Also curious to see who didnt have Cap first. Obviously they cant vote for themselves but that still leaves a first place vote not accounted for. Should be another interesting year. Thoughts/Comments?

I wonder why wilmington is so low. This team is returning everyone and is looking to compete for a league title this year. Wilmington swept BW last year with there All- American Tori Davis. This league will be ran by the guards this year and Wilmington is loaded with guards and wings.


EDITED for formatting
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Presto on November 14, 2007, 12:00:11 PM
i'm surprissed bw was voted 5th.  i know they lost some great players over the last 2 yrs but this team is well coached and has a lot of depth.  they will be there in the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 19, 2007, 04:00:42 PM
Around the league:

Baldwin-Wallace (1-1): def. Fredonia St. 94-76 (@ Penn. St.-Behrend); lost @ Penn. St. Behrend 73-68.
Capital (1-1): def. Illinois College 76-53 (@ Mt. St. Joseph); lost @ Mt. St. Joseph 94-80.
Heidelberg (1-0): won @ Tiffin 109-77.
John Carroll (2-0): def. Randolph-Macon 68-66 (@ Albright); won at Albright 69-67.
Marietta (0-2): lost @ Gettysburg 89-82; lost to Wesley 101-87 (@ Gettysburg).
Mount Union (1-0): def. Hiram 95-84.
Muskingum (1-1): def. U. Northwest Ohio 71-52 (@ Shawnee St.); lost @ Shawnee St. 82-67
Ohio Northern (1-1): lost to Wash. U. 74-58 (@ Calvin); def. Grace Bible 72-67 (@ Calvin)
Otterbein (0-2): lost to St. Thomas 73-67 (@ Wooster); lost to Farmingdale St. 98-94 (@ Wooster).
Wilmington (2-0): def. Defiance 59-57 (@ Thomas More); def. Anderson 83-72 (@ Thomas More).





Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 21, 2007, 01:10:27 PM
Cap gave the OAC a 2 game lead in the battle for bragging rights between the OAC and the NCAC with a closer than expected 79-75 win over Witt in Springfield last night.

Witt will get another shot at the OAC in their next game one week from today when they host ONU.

The NCAC/OAC Challenge is also taking place this weekend at Capital and at Kenyon.  On Saturday, Denison will be playing @ Cap while the other matchup in Columbus will feature Kenyon vs. Musky.  Then on Sunday, Cap will take on Kenyon in Gambier while the other game is Denison vs. Musky.  I fear that the NCAC might only come out with one win over the weekend in the Challenge if that? :-\

There is one other game that pits our conferences against each other this weekend and that takes place at Rochester where B-W will be taking on OWU on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 25, 2007, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on November 07, 2007, 07:17:02 PM
I think it's interesting that B-W is picked 5th when they are ranked 20th in the pre-season D3hoops.com poll.

B-W won't stay there long, as they follow up a thumping by OWU with a loss to Cortland State 87-84 to go 0-2 on the weekend at the Rochester tournament, and fall to 1-3 for the season.

Looks like the conference voters may have had a more accurate picture of B-W than the national poll, based on early results....then again, maybe it's just that OWU is being under-estimated, and I don't know much about Cortland State, so I can't really tell you how that loss fits in the picture.

Regardless, it's pretty clear you can't stay in the poll starting your season 1-3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 26, 2007, 02:56:52 PM
How about JCU only losing to CSU by 10?  I think they led in the second half as well.  Not a bad showing!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on November 26, 2007, 05:28:45 PM
John Carroll comes to play....anytime,anywhere....indeed a nice showing....As to the OAC....I wouldn't put money on anyone at this point. Cap should be tough, but there are alot of unknowns due to graduation...I think the Muskies are a team that might sneak up on a few teams this year...Junior Tyler Felt is off to a good start and they have some young talent in  Sophmore guards Byrne and Bourquin. Brandon Todd back for his Senior year... The kid can play and I think they will prove to be a force to be reckoned with this year...As always,I would venture to say we are going to be treated to the usual host of " single digit wins" in Conference play throughout the season. I actually think the league is a slight bit weaker this year with the graduation of some "marquee" players, but that won't necessarily make for any less exciting roundball, in my opinion. My prediction...worth absolutely nothing...at least six teams with a shot at the regular season title as late as two weeks left in the season...I really don't see any team surviving without multiple losses....Just another year in the OAC...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 02, 2007, 11:56:15 PM
After round 1, was anyone surprised at the outcomes?  My observations--3 teams that were supposed to win, did. How about the Berg losing by 10 to the Quakers--Are they for real?  Undefeated so far and I hear that their gym was packed for the OAC opener. Coach Hunt has them playing well. OAC #2 pick falls to #7(?) in first game. I was a little shocked by the margin of victory by ONU over Etta--over 50 points-those things don't usually happen in league play. Is ONU that good or Etta that bad--or a combo of both. Good win by Cap over a very good OWU team on their home deck.  Any thoughts on Wed. night games.  All teams will be in action.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 03, 2007, 12:02:05 AM
I was shocked to hear that Heidelberg lost to Wilma.  I guess the only time it's safe to say you know what's going on in the OAC is the day after the last game in in the books.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 03, 2007, 12:22:24 AM
I'll be able to catch Wilmington/Capital on Wednesday, I think.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on December 03, 2007, 08:59:41 AM
"Cap should be tough but there are a lot of unknowns due to graduation...."

I will have to argue this point as Capital returned 9 players from last year........................................
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 03, 2007, 05:59:17 PM
ONU's margin of victory over Marietta was a surprise to me also. In answer to your question, bouncer1, no ONU is not that good....yet...and yes, Marietta looked lost...poor defense, not getting back in transition,weak on the boards at both ends,poor shot selection....and on and on... Northern on the other hand appears to still be searching for the right combination of five....they have several players at each position, but I don't think Coach Coleman has quite figured out which five have come to play each day....Not alot of consistency yet...ONU plays at the Berg Wednesday...Things should be a little clearer after that....I still think the Muskies are going to be the Dark Horse this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 04, 2007, 12:33:14 AM
Here are the match-ups for Wed. night.
JCU @ Musky
Wilm @ Cap
Mount @ BW
ONU @ Berg
Ott @ Etta
My picks are JCU over Musky-we'll find out if onefan is right-dark horse or lame horse.   Cap over Wilm in a game of which style prevails. BW over Mount-mainly because it is at BW. Berg over ONU-the Berg demonstrates that they are a real contender and overcomes opening loss at Wilm.  Ott over Etta-will Pios win a league game this year??  Any thoughts or other predictions??  Any early thoughts on POY?  Early favorite has to be Nate Stahl from Cap--best player on probably best team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2007, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: bouncer1 on December 04, 2007, 12:33:14 AM
Here are the match-ups for Wed. night.
JCU @ Musky

I'm planning on attending this one, but primarily to see JCU.  I've seen Musky a couple of times already and I'm not very impressed.  Brandon Todd is very talented, and two or three times a game he'll do something that leaves you gasping.  But just as often he'll do something that negates his good play, usually because he's trying to do too much (e.g. driving the lane into three stationary big guys) or expecting too much of his teammates (e.g. the no-look over-the-shoulder pass to the teammate who least expects it).  When he stays within himself, making good decisions to drive, shoot, or pass, the team can have good stretches, and they can beat anyone if everything goes right, but I don't see them as serious contenders for first place.

Quote from: bouncer1 on December 04, 2007, 12:33:14 AMAny early thoughts on POY?  Early favorite has to be Nate Stahl from Cap--best player on probably best team.

That reminds me; down at the Cap Center, there are five pennants on the west wall, two of them displaying the names "Gunn" and "Kyser" (a third is "Stolly," I forget the other two, except that they were names that I did not recognize.)  Does anyone know what these signify?  Is this some sort of Cap version of a retired number?  If so, Gunn and Kyser? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2007, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 04, 2007, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: bouncer1 on December 04, 2007, 12:33:14 AM
Here are the match-ups for Wed. night.
JCU @ Musky

I'm planning on attending this one, but primarily to see JCU.  I've seen Musky a couple of times already and I'm not very impressed.  Brandon Todd is very talented, and two or three times a game he'll do something that leaves you gasping.  But just as often he'll do something that negates his good play, usually because he's trying to do too much (e.g. driving the lane into three stationary big guys) or expecting too much of his teammates (e.g. the no-look over-the-shoulder pass to the teammate who least expects it).  When he stays within himself, making good decisions to drive, shoot, or pass, the team can have good stretches, and they can beat anyone if everything goes right, but I don't see them as serious contenders for first place.

Quote from: bouncer1 on December 04, 2007, 12:33:14 AMAny early thoughts on POY?  Early favorite has to be Nate Stahl from Cap--best player on probably best team.

That reminds me; down at the Cap Center, there are five pennants on the west wall, two of them displaying the names "Gunn" and "Kyser" (a third is "Stolly," I forget the other two, except that they were names that I did not recognize.)  Does anyone know what these signify?  Is this some sort of Cap version of a retired number?  If so, Gunn and Kyser? 

I would guess this was some sort of version of a retired number, or perhaps just a tribute to last year's seniors.  Ben Gunn and Steve Kyser were post players (Kyser had a pretty good stroke from the outside, though), and Pat Stolly was a guard who hit a game winning three over JCU a couple years back in a fantastic game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 04, 2007, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 04, 2007, 11:22:16 AM
I would guess this was some sort of version of a retired number, or perhaps just a tribute to last year's seniors.  Ben Gunn and Steve Kyser were post players (Kyser had a pretty good stroke from the outside, though), and Pat Stolly was a guard who hit a game winning three over JCU a couple years back in a fantastic game.

Oh....yeah.  Except it's this year's seniors.  Hollingsworth is a fourth banner, and he's a senior along with Pat Stolly, Kyser, and Gunn.  The fifth banner, Withers, is for the lone senior on the women's squad.  Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 04, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 04, 2007, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 04, 2007, 11:22:16 AM
I would guess this was some sort of version of a retired number, or perhaps just a tribute to last year's seniors.  Ben Gunn and Steve Kyser were post players (Kyser had a pretty good stroke from the outside, though), and Pat Stolly was a guard who hit a game winning three over JCU a couple years back in a fantastic game.

Oh....yeah.  Except it's this year's seniors.  Hollingsworth is a fourth banner, and he's a senior along with Pat Stolly, Kyser, and Gunn.  The fifth banner, Withers, is for the lone senior on the women's squad.  Thanks for the help!

I can't believe Kyser and Gunn are seniors this year, I thought they were only a year behind me.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 05, 2007, 05:24:54 PM
The men's and women's games between JCU and Muskingum scheduled for tonight (men in New Concord, women in University Heights) have been postponed due to the continuing inclement weather in New Concord.  Muskingum actually canceled classes today.  The men's game has been rescheduled for Wed. Jan. 23; the women's game for Mon. Jan. 7.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2007, 09:57:37 PM
Capital downs previously unbeaten Wilmington, 89-68 at the Capital Center. Box. (http://www.capital.edu/16648/)

Either because I can't read, or because the Capital website had the wrong time up, I didn't arrive at this game in time to see Capital jump out to a 23-8 lead early.  I don't think Wilmington ever closed it back to within ten.

Wilmington simply couldn't stop Capital's offense all night. The Quakers kept up full-court pressure for most of the game, but it often rarely if ever led to turnovers (give Cap credit), and did leave Wilmington out of defensive position in the half-court.  When Capital broke the press, it usually led to a quick bucket or at least a high percentage shot. I was surprised to see Wilmington stay in the press (perhaps they always use it), since to me it was obvious that it wasn't producing turnovers and was keeping Wilmington from putting together a good half-court defense that they needed if they were going to come back from down 14 at half.

Wilmington's other major defensive downfall that simply crippled them tonight was rebounding. Capital held a +17 rebound margin (46-29), and had 15 offensive rebounds in the game (Wilmington only had 19 defensive rebounds). Giving up all those offensive rebounds and all the points off of them destroyed what chances Wilmington had of getting back into the game in the second half. 

For Capital, they already had the comfortable lead when I got there, so I got to see them hold onto it, and since Wilmington never mounted a serious challenge, Cap seemed pretty well in control throughout.  They shot 54% for the game while holding Wilmington to only 38%, though I wasn't necessarily impressed by its defensive effort so much as I felt Wilmington failed to select good shots.

Offensively, Capital has a number of weapons, and Steve Kyser collected a good chunk of his game-leading 19 off of 5 offensive rebounds.  Ryan Wood put together his second straight quality performance, adding 17 tonight to his career high 25 against OWU last Saturday. He might be Capital's most complete player, as I think that sharp-shooter Nate Stahl (12 pts) can be an occasional defensive liability.

Wilmington was led by Fred Harrison and R.J. Brown, each with 14, and then three players with 9. It was an off-night for Quaker Zach Broermann, who didn't score and was 0-10 from the field after averaging 12 pts. for the Quakers coming into the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2007, 10:08:11 PM
Winners in bold.
JCU @ Musky PPD
Wilm @ Cap 89-68
Mount @ BW 65-63
ONU @ Berg 72-70
Ott @ Etta 71-61
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on December 05, 2007, 10:44:08 PM
Heidelberg overcomes a 17 point deficit mid-way through the first half and an 0-15 shooting night from 3 to defeat Ohio Northern 72-70. Heidelberg got its first lead around the 11min mark in the second half. They were also down 3 with about a minute and a half to play. Shriver was fouled on a drive by Gehle with 30 some secs left with the Berg up 1. He split the pair making it 70-68 Berg. ONU ran some offense and Kurtis Brown hit a tough lay-up in the lane tying the score with 8 secs left. Without taking a time out Shriver sprinted the ball up the floor got the ball to Szalay and he hit a jumper in the lane with 1.7 seconds left to give the Berg the lead. Afterwards, Gehle got an unbelivably good look at a 3 that hit the backboard and rimmed out at the buzzer. Huge win for the Berg as it was the first time since 1999 that they had defeated Northern. I love the OAC ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 05, 2007, 11:30:44 PM
Heidelberg wins a nailbiter tonight....Congrats to them...They showed a great deal to me tonight with their tenacious defense in the second   half...ONU actually looked stunned after taking an eleven point lead into the locker room and being just flat out ''out hustled "in the first seven minutes of the second half.....39-28 at the half.....45-44 early in the second half in favor of the Bears, but the 'Berg just kept the pressure on defensively while their offense was sputtering...Northern will be competitive this season, but their offense is inconsistent with questionable choices being made in their shot selection and at times they appear to be waiting for someone else on the floor to take charge and that guy has not yet stepped up.Defensively they've got the heighth and strength inside in Hammersmith and Cannon to be a force, but they seem to have difficulty getting in sync...I still see Northern finishing ahead of Heidelberg in the OAC, they've got some freshman and sophmores that are going to get alot of playing time and I think the second half of the season will demonstrate an improved squad with a deep bench to keep them strong through the final buzzer...Hey, without hope, you've got nothin...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 08, 2007, 05:55:33 PM
ONU tops BW 101-93 this afternoon. Northern had a slim one point edge at the half, 44-43, but extended its lead to as much as ten in the second half with BW staying close with some good outside shooting and steady board work. The Bears offense was in high gear the second half with good ball movement and good shot selection. B-W's BrandonSchuler had his usual solid game at both ends of the floor....Don't know how many points he had but he provides the clear spark for that team. Too many whistles in the game with both teams losing a man to fouls...Many phantom calls with Coaches Bankson and Coleman holding their hands in the air in frustration...but as usual, they were called both ways. Kyle Gehle lead the way for ONU. He scores inside,outside and plays good D...I also marvel at how many times during a game he scores when he looks to be totally out of control....But, he doesn't so often and with such consistency that it is not luck, it is his style of play. Northern has Otterbein at home this coming Wednesday...Looks like the Bears might be coming around....We shall see
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 15, 2007, 07:55:52 PM
Due to the total lack of postings on this site, I have had the opportunity to review older posts and found one from December 3rd by Pennstgh regarding my post commenting on Capital  being the favorite but time would tell due to graduation.....I wasn't referring to Capital losing their talent through graduation...I was referring to teams like ONU who lost starters like Badenhop,Hunter and Hostetler and have relatively untested Sophmores and Juniors that we haven't seen much of yet...ONU for example has been running several sophmores in on a regular basis that saw no playing time  last year but are now beginning to prove they belong on the floor...ONU topped John Carroll today, thanks in no small  part to their younger  talent.  That is what I was trying to say, although it was poorly worded. Perhaps I should have said, Capitals veteran team should be tough, but there are alot of unknowns due to several teams in the OAC debuting younger, untested  starters. While I am on the subject, I think the Polar Bears are going to be a major force this year in the OAC. It looked to be somewhat of a rebuilding year, but the team is beginning to jell. GO BEARS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 17, 2007, 10:28:39 PM
Onefan, I agree that this is often a quiet board.  Only a couple regulars and my true rooting interest is Wooster, thus my "home board" is the NCAC room.

I happen to live in Columbus, though, which gives me access to Capital and Otterbein games, so I have been able to take in some OAC games the last two seasons.  Not a lot of activity near me right now, though: Capital is off until New Year's Eve, and while usually Otterbein @ Wittenberg would be a game to see, I'm not so sure it's worth the hour drive to Springfield this year. Then I'm out of town for the Mt. Union game, and I will also have to make a decision about whether I see Otterbein's tournament or go to see Wooster's. (I like the match-ups at Otterbein better: OWU/Hanover should be a good game, and I am interested in seeing Albion play, too, as I hardly ever get to see MIAA teams.)

Quote from: onefan on December 15, 2007, 07:55:52 PM
ONU topped John Carroll today, thanks in no small  part to their younger  talent. 

Could you comment on how 7 JCU players fouling out might have had an impact?   ???


Quote from: onefan on December 15, 2007, 07:55:52 PM
While I am on the subject, I think the Polar Bears are going to be a major force this year in the OAC. It looked to be somewhat of a rebuilding year, but the team is beginning to jell. GO BEARS!!

I agree with you here, though I'm not yet sure about them being a "major" force. ONU does currently have the most wins (4) of anyone in the OAC, and its only loss is on the road to a good conference foe. The schedule doesn't look easy, though, as ONU will be bombarded with stern tests at Trinity (TX) and conference foe Wilmington before hosting Capital when Capital could easily be 11-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 18, 2007, 10:04:34 AM
I haven't had the chance to see JCU yet this season, but the early part of their schedule has been brutal.  Obviously, nobody wants to be sitting at 3-4, but considering the schedule, I'm not in panic mode yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 20, 2007, 11:11:58 PM
Gee, do you think seven guys fouling out  for John Carroll had any impact on the game? Of course it did. The boys in black and white got whistle happy and decided to have the game decided at the foul line. Not fun to watch and less fun for those involved. I hate watching a game like this and wonder if the refs at this level ever do any self-evaluating  or reflect on whether or not perhaps they collectively let one get out of hand.

As to  my comment about the Bears being a majot force in the OAC this year.....we will see....Without hope,we have nothing.....Best wishes for the Holiday Season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 21, 2007, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: onefan on December 20, 2007, 11:11:58 PM
Gee, do you think seven guys fouling out  for John Carroll had any impact on the game? Of course it did.
To say the least.  When I was first glancing over the last few posts and saw that 7 players fouled out of the game, I thought that was a total for both teams.  Then when I went and read the JCU recap, I came to realize it was 9 total and 7 JCU players!  I also came to find out that the losses JCU suffered were pretty significant comparatively speaking as the seven JCU players that fouled out scored a total of 64 of the Blue Streaks' 97 points. On the other hand, the two Polar Bears who fouled out  only scored 10 of ONU's 102 points. :o  I've heard of discrepancies in fouls, but this takes the cake.

And I thought the refs in the NCAC were terrible?! ::) ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DII/DIIIFan on December 27, 2007, 11:02:48 AM
Anyone attending a game at JCU could easily understand how 7 players could foul out in one game - frankly, I am surprised 7 don't foul out almost every game!

JCU reminds me of the old Pat Reilly squads that fouled so much the officials began to look the other way lest a foul be called on every possession. Looks like the officials decided not to look the other way for one game.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 29, 2007, 06:06:24 PM
ONU wins today 62-44 over Southwestern University in San Antonio. The Bears shot 41% overall and 42% from three point land. They were 5 of 6 from the line. Southwestern shot 34.6% overall and was a miserable 16.7% from beyond the arc. Kyle Gehle lead the Bears with 18, knocking down four deuces, three 3's and one from the charity stripe.

Wabash is also here in San Antonio and was down to a talented  Trinity team when I left. I don't think Wabash has the horses to stay with Trinity.

ONU plays Trinity tomorrow. Looking forward to a good game. These Texas guys look pretty good.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 31, 2007, 03:01:15 PM
Capital trails Carnegie Mellon 38-32 at half.

Capital quickly trims CM's advantage and now leads 44-42 at the 15:50 mark.
And extends it to 48-42. CM has more turnovers (5) than points (4) in the first 6 minutes of the second half.

Carnegie Mellon has righted the ship and avoided Capital running away with it...after Cap held a 5-9 point lead for several minutes, CM has run off 9 straight to tie it at 52 with 7 minutes left.

And the Mellon run continues: 58-52 Carnegie Mellon, 5:13 to go.  That's a 15-0 run.

Capital stops the bleeding and they trade a few buckets: but CM by 6 with under 3 to go.

64-57 Tartans, 1:45 left. Cap will need points in a hurry.

71-65 Carnegie Mellon, FINAL.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on January 05, 2008, 10:53:43 PM
Hello OAC...I am the DeSales University Sports Information Director.  Just thought I'd post up this evening with some thoughts on the game today between DeSales and John Carroll.

First I will give you a brief background of us...we have been a program on the brink of the NCAA Tournament over the past five years but never making it.  We have won 20+ games in four of the five seasons and been to three Conference title games in that span, unfortunately losing all three of them.  I was looking forward to the match-up today cause we have a strong team this year and I wanted to see how we played against a strong team from a respected region.  I thought we had that in the match-up today with John Carroll.

In a very hard fought game we came out on top 97-80.  Game release from my view can be viewed here - http://athletics.desales.edu/News/mbball/2008/1/5/DSUJCU.asp?path=mbball  (http://athletics.desales.edu/News/mbball/2008/1/5/DSUJCU.asp?path=mbball) - We played very well, shooting a high percentage from two and three-land.  JCU tied the game at 61 but we responded with two runs over the last 12+ minutes of the game that put it away.

My thoughts from the game were that John Carroll is a very physical team.  We are used to that from a few conference opponents (King's and Wilkes) and I think having conference teams play a physical style helped us in today's game.  It was a great win for our program (even though it will count very little come NCAA Tournament bid time).

I think JCU has a nice team.  Terry Walsh is a very nice player.  They are very deep and I am guessing are a top team in the OAC.  I know they have played a brutally tough schedule up to this point.

Good Luck to the Blue Streaks the rest of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 10:29:13 PM
Capital (10-2, 5-0) 83, Mount Union (3-10, 0-6) 67

Capital should have won this game by more.  This was a game for the taking from the start because Mount Union simply doesn't have enough weapons or play enough defense, but almost inexplicably this game was tied 40-40 (I think) at around the 15 minute mark in the second half, before Capital finally realized they had about five times the talent and went on a pretty good run and outscored Mount Union 43-27 for the remainder of the game.

Both teams' best accomplishment during an otherwise ugly first half was the containment of an opponent's scoring threat: Cap's Nate Stahl (13ppg) had 2 at half, and MU's Chris Spitzer (16ppg) had none.  Probably should've given them the ball more, as the teams collectively bricked 35 attempts out of the half's 58. Cap's Steve Kyser stood out as the bright spot, with 13 of his game-high 18 coming in the half.

Speaking of a brickfest: Capital managed to meet their very pedestrian 67% season FT shooting percentage on 20-30 shooting, only to be well outdone by MU's remarkably poor 39% effort, including only 5-15 in the second half.  While that's obviously bad for MU, it'll be much worse for Capital when they can't sink FTs to try to win big games in the OAC. Cap doesn't even have a clear go-to guy for FTs: no one on their entire roster came into the game shooting above 75% from the charity stripe. Ugh.

Box Score (http://www.capital.edu/16878/), and game story. (http://www.capital.edu/16876/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 10:50:55 PM
Heidelberg "overcomes" a 25% night from behind the arc to crush John Carroll 104-72.

This one was over by half-time, as in the first half Heidelberg held JCU to under 40% from the field, 1-6 from the arc and the Streaks provided an assist by going 2-7 on FTs, while 'Berg shot 55% and scored 51 points.  51-27 at the break, never came back under double digits in the second half.

Andrew Lemmon gives 'berg a nice double-double, with 20 and 12.

The 'Berg is 10-2, 4-1 in the OAC. JCU falls to 5-6, 2-3 OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2008, 10:58:39 PM
ONU picks up a win, 66-62, at Wilmington.  This sets up a pretty nice matchup between 5-1 ONU and 5-0 Capital (OAC records) this Saturday in Ada.

Based on what I saw from Capital tonight, I would not be surprised at all to see ONU win that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 11, 2008, 10:18:33 PM
Looking forward to the match-up tomorrow between Cap and ONU. The Bears have been steadily improving with Jake Cannon hitting his stride on the inside and the perimeter play of Kyle Gehle. Lack of consistency and focus for an entire game have hurt ONU in their losses. Trinity easily handled the Bears, but in their defense several players had a bug and were sub par for the game...I think they would still have lost, but the score would have been a slight more respectable with a healthy starting five. Good luck to the Bears on Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 10:28:18 PM
Onefan,

Will you be taking that one in first-hand?  I'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I will be taking in Heidelberg v. Otterbein tomorrow in Westerville.  I doubt it will be much of a contest, but you never know in the OAC.  I am very interested in seeing the Student Princes though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 10:28:18 PMI'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I've seen Capital twice, FWIW. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 10:28:18 PMI'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I've seen Capital twice, FWIW. 

Quite a bit, definitely.  I thought you had, since you've commented that you feel Capital is overrated (I agree).  Have you seen Heidelberg?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 11, 2008, 11:28:31 PM
KB,

Yes, I plan on attending the ONU/CAP game tomorrow. I will check in and let you know what I think. I have seen Heidelberg play, when they hung a two point loss on the BEARS. Nice looking team, but from what I read and hear, CAP
is still the team to watch.By the way,thanks for your activity on this site...it gets lonesome with such few visitors.

On an entirely unrelated topic, as I reviewed the 2007-08 stats I was reminded of an issue I raised last year regarding what I felt were grossly inflated home attendance figures. They had been reporting abour forteen to fifteen hundred per game for the last several years....Absolutely ridiculous...This year it has dropped by about a thousand per game to four hundred+. My thanks to whomever listened...It really wasn't a big deal in the big picture, but it bugged the hell out of me that it was a stat that was being reported and it wasn't even close to reality.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 11:40:41 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 11, 2008, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 11, 2008, 10:28:18 PMI'd like to hear your impressions of the game and of Capital if you do (I don't want to be the only source anywhere that has seen this team play).

I've seen Capital twice, FWIW. 

Quite a bit, definitely.  I thought you had, since you've commented that you feel Capital is overrated (I agree).  Have you seen Heidelberg?

No.  My OAC men's tally thus far would be Capital (twice), Otterbein (4x), and Muskingum (twice.)   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 12:24:31 AM
At this point my tally is only Capital x2, Wilmington and Mount Union.  I'll add Otterbein and Heidelberg tomorrow.

Quote from: onefan on January 11, 2008, 11:28:31 PM
By the way,thanks for your activity on this site...it gets lonesome with such few visitors.

Thanks for your participation, too, onefan.  For the quality of basketball that is often played in this conference, we have decidedly poor participation on this board.  I wish we had more "native" posters like yourself and Toph, as several of the semi-active posters in here (myself included) have rooting interests elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 12:34:44 AM
Thinking a bit more about this, onefan, and I think that both of us could consider posting recap information on the games we'll see tomorrow over on the  Great Lakes Region (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5126.120) board in addition to here in the OAC.  In case you don't visit there, a few posters (led by Sac) have started a regional top ten poll, and those voters would probably enjoy hearing about the ONU/Capital contest.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 11:21:26 AM
I've been visiting and posting on this site for several years and, call me unconcious, but I have just taken note of the "karma" designation on everyone's profile....What is that all about ?...I am very sensitive and if I find out that negative symbol in front of my 1 is some type of rating system I will need to call my therapist.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2008, 11:41:59 AM
I got rid of your negative karma - much cheaper than therapy! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 01:27:14 PM
Mr. Ypsi...THANK YOU!!!! I still don't know what it is, how it got there or why you could get rid of it, but it potentially has saved me thousands of dollars so I'll live with the mystery.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
What is karma? (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=Message%20board)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 04:23:34 PM
Just when you thought Capital was going to run away with it, ONU lays out a 14-0 run to come from 10 down to up four midway through the second half.
Live Stats. (http://www.onusports.com/livestats/mbb/xlive.htm)

ONU was down 10 at half, as well, but has outscored Capital 29-17 in the second.

55-53 ONU leads, 5:53 on the clock.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 04:33:33 PM
If Cap pulls this out, I promise to get off their backs.  I was sure ONU would win this game, but, well, you know my record in pick'ems!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 04:45:10 PM
Capital does survive, 69-67 over ONU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 08:07:49 PM
David, I know what Karma is, I just don't know the numbers assigned to it have to do with this website.

As to the Bears and Crusaders.....I was there. Northern shot the ball poorly in the first half as did Cap, but the Bears were absolutley horrendous from the charity stripe. I believe they finished nine for nineteen. They also got outrebounded 45 tp 34. Stange as it may seem, Cap was decent from the foul line with Fanning hitting something like six straight in the last five minutes and 72 percent or so for the game. Northern threw up bricks from the foul line...As bad as I've seen this year....Very frustrating to watch....If Cap is the 16th best team in the country, division III is having a down year. KB, sorry this post is late...went out to dinner after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: onefan on January 12, 2008, 08:07:49 PM
David, I know what Karma is, I just don't know the numbers assigned to it have to do with this website.

???

If you click the link in my post, it should take you to the FAQ which explains karma vis a vis this website.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 09:28:04 PM
David, Thanks for the info regarding clicking on your link, but I clicked on everything that would allow me to click on and I got nothing. Would it be too much of an imposition to just tell me what the significance of it is?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 12, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: Site FAQWhat is karma?

Karma is similar to the post rating on the old message boards, except it rates an individual poster and follows the poster wherever they post.

Only more veteran posters are allowed to affect a poster's karma, and this is done via links titled "applaud" or "smite" under a poster's name. The restriction is in order to limit the ability of so-called one-star bandits to affect a poster's karma without being registered for the board or a true member of the community.

You cannot applaud or smite yourself, and you can only applaud or smite each individual poster every few hours. Also, if you continually praise or smite an individual poster, eventually you'll run out of karma to give that individual.

Applauding a poster raises their karma by one; smiting lowers it by one.

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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: onefan on January 12, 2008, 08:07:49 PM
KB, sorry this post is late...went out to dinner after the game.

Not a problem at all, onefan.  I was at the Heidelberg-Otterbein game, anyway (summary to follow in another post).

Capital is a good team, and will probably finish first or second in the OAC. But they don't really look that much better this season than last season's team that finished the regular season strongly and then lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 09:43:07 PM
David, Thanks for the guidance. I sometimes find it challenging just to get to this site, let alone navigating around it. Thanks for your patience!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 12, 2008, 09:52:26 PM
KB, I couldn't agree more, it would appear to me that whomever?....whoever?....(My Mother told me I should pay closer attention in English class) wins the conference tournament  won't be going far in the NCAA tournament, but there is still time for improvement. I hate to sell the OAC short, but it appears to be a slight bit on the.. weak side this year . No one is very impressive thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 10:13:06 PM
Final from Westerville:

Heidelberg 82
Otterbein  72

That score lies.  This game wasn't that close, but Otterbein picked up several baskets in garbage time at the end to make it look respectable, when in fact this one was over approximately 10 minutes into the game, when Heidelberg had pushed it to 21-7.

For awhile in the first half, I wasn't sure that Otterbein was going to crack 20.  Heidelberg's defense was stifling, forcing turnovers and awkward shots. Otterbein had maybe––maybe!––one good clean look in the first 10 mintues, a three pointer that was good.  The other two field goals to get them to 7 points came on two uncontested offensive putbacks, which seemed to be the only way Otterbein could crack the Princes' armor.

Frankly, I knew the outcome of this game after about 3 minutes.  By that time it was 6-0 and Heidelberg already had 2 or 3 steals.  The 'Berg got after every loose ball, looked more composed on the court, and after applying the intense pressure in the first few minutes, settled for playing very good defense and cruising with its 15 or so point lead intact for the remainder of the game.

When it was 21-7 early, you knew Otterbein wasn't coming back.  They couldn't play enough defense to contain the 'Berg's offense, especially the dominating duo of Andrew Lemmon and Brian Schmidt.  What did they do, you ask? Lemmon easily posted his third straight double-double, with 17 points (8-12 shooting) and an incredible 19 rebounds, while his teammate dropped 24 points (12-17 shooting) and chipped in 7 boards.  Schmidt in particular has an excellent touch around the hoop, with a deadly little jump hook.

Otterbein finally started to shoot better, and by the end its leading scorer, Ross Banazak, finished nearly at his average with 19.  Frankly, though, the fact that Ross Banazak is your leading scoring option explains what you need to know about Otterbein's offense.  That's not meant to demean Banazak, as he's a good player, but he's asked to do too much.  Otterbein hasn't found an inside presence to replace Tyler Ousley (sp?) and it shows.

A few other notes- Heidelberg was only 3-15 from 3 point land.  Subtracting those shots from their overall FGs and you see that they were an impressive 31-49 (63 percent) on all their shots taken inside the line. They made their living, and a pretty good one at that, usually no more than 5 feet from the hoop.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2008, 10:29:32 PM
Quote from: onefan on January 12, 2008, 09:52:26 PM
KB, I couldn't agree more, it would appear to me that whomever?....whoever?....(My Mother told me I should pay closer attention in English class) wins the conference tournament  won't be going far in the NCAA tournament, but there is still time for improvement. I hate to sell the OAC short, but it appears to be a slight bit on the.. weak side this year . No one is very impressive thus far.

Haha, in that instance I believe it's whoever.  But, I'm not here to be a grammar snob- I get paid to do that at my job!   :)

Your comment reminds me, though, that one thing I didn't get to in the post above is a comparison between Heidelberg and Capital. 

Heidelberg is good.  Maybe very good, and I think very likely better than Capital.  They play on Wednesday in Tiffin in what I think is clearly the showdown of the best teams in this year's OAC.

I've seen Capital twice and Heidelberg once and I can tell you that Capital has yet to impress me and Heidelberg definitely did.  This may not be a reference that works for you, but the NCAC readers will understand when I say that Heidelberg plays like the Wooster teams of a few years ago, before Wooster switched to play a more "up-tempo" style.  Those teams were generally characterized by a strong inside post play complimented with a few good shooting guards who made you respect the three.  Mix in a few deadly shooters like Wooster's current Devin Fulk or James Cooper, or former player Matt Smith (to keep the historical analogy), and the 'Berg would probably be a favorite in the OAC if not the Great Lakes.  Lemmon and Schmidt inside should give Capital fits, as it can counter with Steve Kyser but then generally ineffective Ben Gunn and good but not incredible Quintin Mitchell.

We'll see how it plays out, but I see the 'Berg as probably 3-5 point favorites at home against Capital on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 13, 2008, 09:48:39 AM
The Cap/Heidelberg game should be a good one. I see the Student Princes winning this one also. I give Heideiberg a slight edge on the boards, but statistically these two teams are practically in a dead heat. I think the home court advantge is worth at least a bucket, therefore I'm picking Heidelberg in a close one....Besides, Cap is just not good enough to run the table in the OAC  this year and Heidelberg is the team I'm picking to hang their first loss on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 14, 2008, 03:08:16 PM
The Heidelberg press release on the Berg-Otterbein game notes that Andrew Lemmon's 19 rebounds was a new career high for him.

I went to the site to look for any live stats/broadcast options so that I could follow Wednesday's game...but apparently no luck. Maybe they put up links closer to game time?  Capital's website does note some away from home broadcasts of men's games, but the Heidelberg game isn't among them.

Any chance d3hoops will be able to have any coverage of the OAC leaders meeting in Tiffin?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 16, 2008, 07:07:48 PM
For those with interest:

http://www.capital.edu/166/

Link on that page to a live broadcast for tonight's Capital at Heidelberg game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 16, 2008, 08:16:30 PM
Final:
Capital 99
Heidelberg 90

Capital was basically in control of this game throughout, and staved off a desperation comeback in the last 5 minutes that never really got the Berg closer than 7, I believe.

Story of the game/stat of the night: Rebounds.  I thought the Berg would shine here, but instead they were dominated on the glass.  Capital had 43 rebounds, including a crushing 14 offensive rebounds, to Heidelberg's 25 total.

My apologies to anyone I lead astray in the pick'ems- I did not expect this result at all.

Box Score (http://www.heidelberg.edu/sites/herald.heidelberg.edu/files/011608mb.htm)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2008, 09:23:39 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 16, 2008, 08:16:30 PM

My apologies to anyone I lead astray in the pick'ems- I did not expect this result at all.


Apology accepted KB.  ;)  ;D

Looks as though Cap might finally be playing up to their expectations.  I know anything can happen in the unpredictable OAC, but Cap's now 2 game lead over the rest of the pack looks to be pretty safe.  They have built that lead winning on the road at JCU, at ONU and now at Heide.  With most of Cap's more difficult games remaining at the Cap Center, to say they now have a pretty tight grasp on the conference is a bit of an understatement.

But, as I said.  This is the OAC and you should always expect the unexpected. :P  There's still a lot of basketball to be played and I'm sure this race is anything but over.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 17, 2008, 09:51:30 AM
I was able to see the Cap Heid game last night and i definetly encourage anyone who thinks CAP is overrated to check them out again. They definetly saw a different team then i did.  CAP is huge/physical can rebound ,defend, and shoot the 3. The only real weakness i see is a huge lack of team athleticism.  I've seen Heidelberg several times this year and they are a good team but it was obvious from the start they did not have their best stuff. If CAP is not a top 20 team i'd hate to play anyone who is because i was definetly impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 17, 2008, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 17, 2008, 09:23:39 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 16, 2008, 08:16:30 PM

My apologies to anyone I lead astray in the pick'ems- I did not expect this result at all.


Apology accepted KB.  ;)  ;D

Looks as though Cap might finally be playing up to their expectations.  I know anything can happen in the unpredictable OAC, but Cap's now 2 game lead over the rest of the pack looks to be pretty safe.  They have built that lead winning on the road at JCU, at ONU and now at Heide.  With most of Cap's more difficult games remaining at the Cap Center, to say they now have a pretty tight grasp on the conference is a bit of an understatement.

But, as I said.  This is the OAC and you should always expect the unexpected. :P  There's still a lot of basketball to be played and I'm sure this race is anything but over.

SF,

Yeah, the fact that they have the three wins on the road is very impressive.  The same type of impressive that Wooster will be going for if it can pull off a win at Wittenberg this weekend (though that would only give Woo a 1 game NCAC lead.)

Basketball23-

As I read over the stats and the game story, it seems clear that Capital did three things that led to the win yesterday that were decidedly above its season averages: One, the huge (+18) rebounding advantage- they average about a +8 rebounding margin.  Two, Capital shot 33-41 from the line, just a hair above 80%, while its season average is a bit under 70&.  Three, Ryan Wood had a career day, and simply couldn't miss.  4-4 on three, 9-10 from the field overall with a career-high 28 points in only 23 minutes.

That's an impressive performance, and an example of a very good team raising their level of play and executing in a big game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 11:02:05 AM
A two-game lead in the OAC is already unexpected enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 11:20:15 AM
I was all prepared to jump on the Cap bandwagon, then I went and saw Muskingum play Ohio Northern last night (Musky won 61-60 on a Brandon Todd free throw in the waning seconds.)  I was left terribly underimpressed with Ohio Northern.  They have a handful of very tall, very skinny post players who are fairly good rebounders but don't seem to know how to establish offensive position.  Nevertheless, ONU forced the ball in to them as often as possible, which resulted in some baskets but too many turnovers and poor shots due to the posts being out of position.  When Musky was able to deny the entry pass, ONU looked like it had no backup plan. 

I had been impressed by Cap's victory in Ada, but now, having seen the PBs in action, I am less impressed.  I'm also impressed with Cap's win in Tiffin, but part of me has to wonder how good the Princes really are (not having seen them.)  I guess I just can't give Capital a break!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 17, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
David just curious to know if you happened to see if Kyle Gehle got hurt or was sick during that game. I noticed he only played about 15mins which is way under average for him. He is easily there best player and that might of had something to do with the loss.

KB-
I agree with your analysis those were definetly the 3 biggest keys to the game. If you told me Heid would hold Kyser to 10 and Stahl to 7 and CAP would win going away i would of told you you were nuts. However with the rebounding margin being what it was and CAP shooting in the high 60's in the 2nd half CAP was able to overcome that. It also seemed to me that Heid was very up tight. I dont know it was the big game atmosphere or they just didnt play well. CAP has had a lot of big game experiance over the last few years while Heid has had very little.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on January 17, 2008, 12:34:58 PM
Thanks for the link to the game KB - I didnt think that game was on either schools website as being broadcast. Cap was impressive, however I was still impressed with the way the berg came back. Another note from the game, Just when capital was going to blow it wide open it seemed like the OAC officials made just enough calls to tighten things up a bit and give the berg some easy FT's. Szalay and Wood were two guys trying to will their team to win last night and it was a great game to listen to. Dont be fooled though, Ryan wood has been putting up some big numbers throughout the season as well this shouldnt be unexpected. When teams double Nate Stahl it lets the other cap players step up. I will admit Capital has seemed to play their games at the level of their opponents this season which could come back and bite them on the road at a school later in the year when they shouldnt lose. The Berg must have had a packed house there last night even the radio background crowd was loud.

two quick notes - A 2 game in OAC is never safe (unless there is only one game left to play) and with regards to your post DC - MUSK shouldnt be overlooked down the stretch. They may be the most athletic team in the league, just havent been able to put it together early on.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 12:49:07 PM
Indeed, unless I am very much mistaken, Musky is now in 2nd place.  They certainly are athletic, but the offense seems to revolve around getting the ball into Brandon Todd's hands and letting him do whatever he wants with it.  It's often spectacular, highlight-reel stuff, but somewhat less often successful.  It seems to me that they'd be more successful with a more structured attack.  But what do I know; after all Felt, Todd, and Byrne (Musky's top three scorers) have been playing together all of their lives, the last 7 of which have been spent playing for Coach Ford pere or Coach Ford fils, so I suspect they know better than I what they can and cannot do.  I'd sure like to see Trevor Scott play a larger role in the offense, though.

Gehle was there, starting, and playing.  I don't know why he played limited minutes; he was not in foul trouble, and wasn't sick or hurt to my observation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 17, 2008, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 11:20:15 AM
I guess I just can't give Capital a break!  :D
You're one tough sell David!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 17, 2008, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: Dynex on January 17, 2008, 12:34:58 PM
Thanks for the link to the game KB - I didnt think that game was on either schools website as being broadcast.

The first time I looked (about a week before the game) I didn't see any broadcast options on either website.  I looked again on game day and found it in the listings of Capital broadcasts.  I find both Capital and Heidelberg's websites to be annoying to navigate.

Quote from: Dynex on January 17, 2008, 12:34:58 PM
Dont be fooled though, Ryan wood has been putting up some big numbers throughout the season as well this shouldnt be unexpected.

I'm not fooled at all. Ryan Wood consistently impresses me with his play. It seems like he typically draws a harder defensive assignment than either Kyser or Stahl and he's right with them offensively (and has shot very, very well recently).

Quote from: David Collinge on January 17, 2008, 12:49:07 PM
Indeed, unless I am very much mistaken, Musky is now in 2nd place. 

It seems to be a second place tie with Heidelberg, both 5-2 in the league, both losing to the same teams. Heidelberg has losses at Wilmington and to Capital; Muskingum also lost at Wilmington and lost at Capital.  They play each other Saturday in Tiffin.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 17, 2008, 11:05:08 PM
Haven't been here for a few days and in reading some comments posted regarding the OAC have some random thoughts.....Cap is not that much better than Muskingum, Heidelberg or ONU for that matter but they have gotten the right bounces thus far....I still don't think they are a top twenty team and won't be there at the end of February....Yes they are a good team, but their wins have been unimpressive and far from dominating...the Muskies are holding their own as I thought they would....ONU has three OAC losses by a grand total of five points....by two to Heidelberg at Tiffin at the buzzer, by one to the Muskies at Muskingum from the foul line with three ticks to go and by two to Capital at home that admittedly was not as close at the end as the score would indicate....My point? There are four to five teams that could still win the OAC and I will be very surprised if Cap doesn't drop at least two conference games before tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 19, 2008, 12:51:55 PM
Today's slate of games:

2:00 PM   Otterbein      Capital  (Should be Capital in a landslide.            
3:00 PM   Marietta      Baldwin-Wallace  (Probably a B-W win)            
3:00 PM   Wilmington   John Carroll  (This would be a nice OAC win for John Carroll.)         
3:00 PM   Muskingum   Heidelberg     (Winner takes sole possession of second place.)         
3:00 PM   Ohio Northern   Mount Union  (An MU win would be a mild upset, but certainly possible.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 19, 2008, 04:03:22 PM
Capital scores the first 17 points of the game, and cruises to an 86-57 victory over visiting Otterbein.

Capital held an utterly overmatched Otterbein squad to only 12 percent shooting in for the entire first half--and only 12 points, too.

It was 44-12 at half time.

Now off to Springfield and Wooster-Wittenberg for me!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 11:57:56 PM
So what's going on with Otterbein this year? Man ...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 20, 2008, 12:52:15 AM
All the Saturday finals:

Otterbein 57, Capital 86 (Thought it would be, and it was, Capital in a landslide.)            
Marietta 86, Baldwin-Wallace 82 (Probably a B-W win Marietta's first conference win moves B-W to 2-6 in the OAC...yikes.)            
Wilmington 61, John Carroll 74 (This would be a nice OAC win for John Carroll--and it is.)         
Muskingum 67, Heidelberg    83 (The Berg rebounds nicely.)         
Ohio Northern 66, Mount Union 69 (An MU win would be a mild upset, but certainly possible.  Well, I called that one.  Mount ends the game on an 18-6 run. ONU falls to 5-4 in the OAC.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 20, 2008, 02:57:52 AM
If you were ever curious about how good Tori Davis and Tyler Ousley really was just look at BW and OTT's record thus far with mostly the same personnel besides themselves. What a diiference one player makes
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2008, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 11:57:56 PM
So what's going on with Otterbein this year? Man ...

Otterbein is dramatically under-talented this season.  They play hard and smart, enabling them to keep close in most games and even pull off mild upsets like when they beat Hanover in the Ballenger Classic, but they haven't got the horses to keep up even in a mildly down OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on January 24, 2008, 01:08:11 PM
Cap finishes the first half of the OAC schedule still undefeated in conference play with a decisive victory over Marietta on Wednesday night!

I don't think they will finish the year without an OAC loss, but it seems the race for the regular season crown is all but over.

Despite this and their #9 national rank, it seems Cap is a bit lacking in the respect department, based on some earlier comments.  Any converted belivers out there yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on January 24, 2008, 05:43:33 PM
I had a chance to catch most of the Capital Game last night. Capital looked like a good team and were up about 35 or so before they put the reserves in with more than 5 minutes to play. I think it ended up being 25 or something at the end i didnt stick around to watch the end of the game.

In the Capital games Ive caught this year they start hot and then hit cruise control the rest of the way which has let some teams catch up at the end. They might get caught sleeping one of these times.

The new Marietta coach has a nice group of younger players to build around if he can keep them in the program and take their licks for a year or two they might just be able to put something together in year 3.

I believe Capital is the strongest team in the league however it is the OAC and injuries can sneak up on a team and other teams can pull it together in february. Im not ready to give capital the regular season crown but they are a good team.

A 2 game lead is a nice lead at the turn but like i said before its only good if you have one game left. If BW could have pulled that off last night it would be a 3 game lead.

my projections would go:
Cap 16-2, Berg 14-4, JCU 13-5, ONU 12-6, MUSK 11-7,
and the rest Wilm, MTU, BW, OTT, MAR

Ive seen every team play at least once and feel pretty safe with that. Im not sure what the standings are but thats how i think it will shake out at years end.

Its going to be a fantastic last month of basketball thats for sure!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 24, 2008, 09:38:02 PM
Yesterday's Finals:

Marietta 53, Capital 79   
John Carroll 73, Muskingum 66            
Baldwin-Wallace 96, Heidelberg 100

That's a(nother) good win for John Carroll, now winners of 4 straight and in sole possession of third place in the league at 6-3.

The Heidelberg/B-W game is closer than expected:  Berg seemed to have the game in hand with a 79-61 lead at about the 10 minute mark, but then the next 9 minutes saw B-W outscore Berg 30-13, leaving it a 1 point game (92-91) with 1:04 on the clock.

They traded baskets to reach 94-93, then B-W needed to foul and Berg's Jake Hessey drained them both to give Berg a 3 point advantage with 8 seconds left.  Interestingly, it appears that Berg then fouled B-W to send them to the line with 4 seconds. Brendan Schuler made the first, purposely missed the second, and a Berg rebound and two more foul shots gives the final score.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 03:40:10 PM
43-40 Capital at the half vs. Baldwin-Wallace.  Sounds like Cap lead most of the first half, but that B-W was able to keep it close and then trim the lead to only 3 at the break.

34-33 Heidelberg holds the slim advantage over Wilmington at the half in Tiffin.

ONU seems to be cruising: 45-24 at the break over Marietta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 04:04:39 PM
Capital and B-W tied at 52-52, can't get the broadcaster to tell me how much time is left.

This would be a huge upset, but this one is far from over. I think still around 10 minutes left.

54 all with 13 minutes to go.  I'm listening to the broadcast, but not closely.  I'll update as the half goes along.

4:00- 67-64 Capital leads. Capital is missing a lot of free throws, though.  Just missed two that could've pushed the lead to 5.  Capital back at the line for a 1-1.

Elsewhere, Heidelberg has pushed the advantage to 11 over Wilmington (65-54) with about 5 minutes left.

2:30 left- Capital leads by 6, 71-65.  Going back to the foul line again. Makes 1 of 2, and B-W turns the ball over.  This is Capital's largest lead of the game. And they commit a shot clock violation after missing two three pointers badly.

1:03- B-W scores, 72-67.

:55- Timeout Capital.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 04:37:43 PM
All Saturday 1/26 Finals:

Capital 77
Baldwin-Wallace 71

Wilmington 72
Heidelberg 82

Ohio Northern 80
Marietta 56

John Carroll 73
Otterbein 98

Mount Union 60
Muskingum 72
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 10:36:44 PM
John Carroll 73
Otterbein 98

This is as stunning as results come, even in the OAC.  Otterbein, who just a week ago was crushed by Capital by 29 in a game they were never in, rebounds in incredible fashion to keep John Carroll from moving into third place in the conference at 7-3.

It had seemed like last week Capital had driven home the nail in Otterbein's coffin of an OAC league season, holding the Cardinals to 29% shooting and worse, 19% on 5-27 shooting from three-point land.  Otterbein sat at 2-7 after the first trip through the league, and it didn't seem that the Cardinal was really going to offer much of any resistance the second time through the OAC.

Then you have what happened today at the Rike Center. What a difference a week makes!

Instead of shooting anywhere near 20% from 3 point land, Otterbein set a school-record with 18 made three pointers on 30 attempts, a remarkable 60%.

When Banazak, Wells, Ratai, Pollack and others stepped inside the line, they made 64% (33-51) of everything shot toward the basket.

In the first half, Otterbein barely missed at all: 20-27 from the floor, 7-10 on threes and 10-11 at the line, all of which combined to give the Cardinals a 57-26 lead at the half.  In the second half, JCU never got within 22.

Gameballs go to Adam Wells (27 pts on 6-10 3pt shooting) and Ross Banazak (22 pts on 4-6 3 pt shooting, and 6 assists).

For the game, Otterbein had 23 assists on 33 made baskets.  I could keep pointing out things from these box scores, but I think you just have to look at both of them to understand how dramatic the difference is between the Otterbein that took the floor on 1/19 and was pounded by Capital and the one that breezed past John Carroll today.

John Carroll-Otterbein Box Score. (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/games/2008/game17.htm)
Capital-Otterbein Box Score. (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/games/2008/game16.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 10:52:20 PM
I feel like I'm kinda talking to myself in here, but one other note from the action today:

Thanks to the remarkable result I discussed above, the top of the league standings are now both clearer and muddier at the same time.

The clearer portion:
Capital sits alone in first by 2 games: 10-0.
Heidelberg sits alone in second place, also by 2 games, at 8-2.

The muddier portion:
Ohio Northern wins to move to 6-4.
John Carroll loses to move to 6-4.
Muskingum wins to move to 6-4.
Wilmington loses to move to 5-5.

So we have Capital two games in the clear, but now Heidelberg also 2 games clear of everyone else, while the competition over slots 3-4-5 has become a dead heat, with Wilmington a game back at 5-5.  Wilmington currently also has the "best win" of any of that group, with its earlier win over 'Berg.

Lots of fun still to be had in this league before it's decided.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on January 29, 2008, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 26, 2008, 10:52:20 PM
I feel like I'm kinda talking to myself in here,

I know, but I for one appreciate you taking the time to do it.  I don't post a lot because I am a FB guy, not a BB guy, but I try to follow it as best I can.  That's hard sometimes being 3 hours away in Lexington, KY., so I rely on the posts and insight from you and David and others who are able to actually see my Crusaders and others play in person.  You can only get so much from a box score...

And, it's much harder to convince my wife to give me time off from the 19 month old twice a week for a couple of hours over a 30 game season for basketball webcasts than it is once a week for a few hours over a 10-12 game season for a football game, especially since I played FB and not hoops.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 29, 2008, 09:15:55 PM
Thanks JK.  In the interest of keeping anyone who cares to drop by updated: we've got another full slate of matchups in the OAC tomorrow.

Muskingum at John Carroll   
The battle between two 6-4 teams in part of the logjam for third place. JCU had won 4 straight before being blind sided by Otterbein over the weekend.  One of those four wins was over Muskingum, who would clearly love to even up the season series here.  I think JCU is more motivated after getting shellacked by Ott, and with only 3 home games remaining, will need every home win they can get.   
      
Capital at Wilmington
Wilmington faces a tough task if they are going to avoid losing a third straight conference game.  After starting the season 8-1, including a 10 point win over Heidelberg, the Quakers have lived up to the pacifism implied by their nickname, putting up little resistance while being beaten 6 times in their last 8.  Capital, on the other hand, simply looks to keep on rollin'. They made the first meeting of these teams look like a mis-match...probably no reason at this point to think that much will change in this contest.

Baldwin-Wallace at Mount Union
I haven't seen either of these teams. Gauging by the records, I may not be missing much, even though B-W has played both Heidelberg and Capital close in their last two games.

Heidelberg at Ohio Northern
ONU reversed a three-game slide by beating mostly hapless Marietta. 'Berg is looking for its fourth straight win and a season sweep of the Bears. The previous meeting was 'Berg, 72-70 at home in Tiffin, so I wouldn't expect ONU to go down quietly, if at all.

Marietta at Otterbein
Otterbein hasn't won back-to-back games all year. This would be the time to do it. If Marietta can keep the Cardinals from shooting 70% in the first half, then I'd expect them to stay close in a game that could be winnable.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 08:05:31 PM
First updates of the night:

Wilmington is swarming over Capital early- it's 25-11 Wilmington leads, with about 4 minutes to go first half.

John Carroll 47, Muskingum 37 with 13:51 left in the second half.  JCU just got called for its 7 team foul of the second half, so Muskingum stands to get a lot of foul shots in the rest of the half.  Not really sure how bad (if any) foul trouble JCU might be in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 08:29:35 PM
Halftime
Capital 20
Wilmington 31

Story of the game is 11 offensive rebounds for Wilmington in the first half.  Amazingly enough, Capital shot a higher percentage (around 40%) than Wilmington did.  If you're Cap, you've gotta count your blessings at the half and realize it could be much, much worse.

Final:
JCU 76
Musky 62
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 08:49:55 PM
10:48 to go in the second half:

Capital         42
Wilmington  50

Capital has a 10-0 run.  First time it's been under 10 points in awhile.  Nate Stahl just hit a three pointer for his first points of the game.


Capital keeps edging closer...but can't quite get tied. It's been as close as 3 points.

3:47 to go

Capital         53
Wilmington  62

Quakers just hit a near-desperation 3 to avoid a shot clock violation to push the lead out to 9.

They 2 FTs for Cap with a bucket for Wilmington.

Quakers headed to the line. Both teams in the 1-1.  64-55 Wilmington, 2:50 to play.  Walker misses the FT, Cap rebound.  Capital needs points, and fast.  Miss...fast break the other way...lay up missed, but another offensive rebound for Wilmington, and they'll take a time out.

I don't know Wilmington enough to know who their best foul shooters are, but if they make them, they'll have this one on ice.

1:45 -  Harrison fouled by Kyser. It all comes down to FTs now.  Makes the first 65-55, and the second. The lead is 11, 66-55

1:25 - Missed 3 pt. by Ryan Wood. Rebound Wilmington and they run...

And there's the final nails in the coffin.  Wilmington throws down a slam on the breakaway, then gets a steal on the inbound and throws down another slam.  70-55, can't be more than a minute left.

Another miss for Capital, rebound Quakers.  FTs to be shot.

:45 seconds-  Both FTs are good. 72-55 Wilmington.


Final

Capital           55
Wilmington    72
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 11:06:34 PM
Elsewhere in the OAC:

Baldwin-Wallace 81
Mount Union     72

Heidelberg         72
Ohio Northern   89

Marietta            96
Otterbein          95 (OT)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2008, 11:20:36 PM
So, the top of the OAC now looks like this:

Capital            (10-1)   Capital shows fractures in the armor with an inability to score, rebound in loss.
Heidelberg        (8-3)  'Berg loss means Cap keeps the 2 game advantage.
Ohio Northern  (7-4)  ONU won the first head-to-head with JCU.
John Carroll      (7-4)  Even with that loss to Otterbein, JCU might be playing the best basketball in the OAC.  Who do they play next? Oh, that's right, Capital...
Wilmington      (6-5)  Quakers split the season series with 'Berg and Capital.
Muskingum      (6-5)   Muskies seem to match expectations...losing to better teams but always beating worse teams.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 31, 2008, 12:25:05 AM
Interesting that Ott goes out and spanks JCU over the weekend and how do they follow that up???

Predictably, they lose to lowly Marietta... ::)

That's the OAC for ya?! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 31, 2008, 01:58:21 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 31, 2008, 12:25:05 AM

That's the OAC for ya?! :P

But this is the first week that the OAC has behaved like the OAC we've come to know, love and be baffled by.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 08:49:15 AM
Why did Wilmington have so few home games in January?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 31, 2008, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: sac on January 31, 2008, 01:58:21 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 31, 2008, 12:25:05 AM

That's the OAC for ya?! :P

But this is the first week that the OAC has behaved like the OAC we've come to know, love and be baffled by.  ???

Yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a truly "great" team in this league- even with Capital ascending to lofty (if short-lived) poll positions nationally.

That said, to catch Capital someone–probably a few someones- is/are going to have to beat Capital in Bexley. On paper, they don't have a single dangerous road game left, but all four home games could be dangerous.


Also, I have re-evaluated JCU a little bit.  Of the top 6 teams, they are currently the only one to have lost 2 OAC games at home, where they are 4-2.  JCU has only one road conference win, as well, and 5 of its last 7 will be on the road.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 01, 2008, 11:52:24 PM
Looking at the remainder of the season I have to agree with kb regarding Cap's remaining games.
At this juncture, the regular season title is theirs to lose, but they are far from unbeatable as Wilmington found out. I am far from neutral on the subject of Ohio Northern,but they are the only OAC team that has not suffered a double digit loss in the OAC. In fact, their four conference losses have now been by  a total of eight points, with their only three point loss being to Mount Union. I know,I know, would have,could have,should have...but I am telling you the Bears are a team to be dealt with over this last month and but for a bucket here or there could easily be a one loss team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 02, 2008, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 01, 2008, 11:52:24 PM
I am far from neutral on the subject of Ohio Northern,but they are the only OAC team that has not suffered a double digit loss in the OAC. In fact, their four conference losses have now been by  a total of eight points, with their only three point loss being to Mount Union. I know,I know, would have,could have,should have...but I am telling you the Bears are a team to be dealt with over this last month and but for a bucket here or there could easily be a one loss team.
I am presuming that you didn't 'knock on wood' after you made this post? ;)  No sooner did you make this post than the Polar Bears went and lost their first OAC game by double digits today vs. B-W.  Not that you jinxed them or anything onefan... ;)  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 02, 2008, 09:48:14 PM
Boy no kidding!!!! Just abot the time you think you know what you're talking about and wham!!! This ONU team is just hard to figure out. Wednesday night they could have whpped anybody in the league....great movement of the ball on offense...tenacious defense....teamwork out the wazoo and then this....I love this conference despite the frustration of seeing the ones ya' love take it on the chin sometimes.....ahhh well there's always another game in three or four days to get excited about again....From now on...the mouth stays shut and the eyes will continue to watch and learn....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 03, 2008, 01:29:47 PM
I caught the Capital JCU game yesterday and I can tell you that it was a track meet for the first 20 mins. I think there may have been 10 missed shots then entire half with the score being about 63-51 at half. Capital played good D in the second to push the margin out to 113-78 I believe, it was an incredible game to watch. Hard to believe that was the same Cap team that caught caught sleeping at Wilmington on wednesday. Talking to some of the capital fans that went to the WILM game it sounded like a few guys were sick or just out of it on wednesday but whatever it was they figured it out yesterday. WILM is a good athletic team though. It looks like OTT might finally be putting something together with a solid win at Muskie.

Its now a two team race for the regular season title with CAP at 11-1 and HEID at 9-3. I really doubt that CAP drops 4 of the last 6 to give ONU JCU or WILM a shot at it but look out come tourny time. HEID goes on the road down the stretch but they can definitly make this interesting if they take care of business.

One more quick note- Capital Junior Nate Stahl broke 1,000 point mark yesterday with a breakaway and one. What a great career and achievement for a kid who still has 35+ games left to play.

Whats the thoughts on player of the year in the league? Stahl, Lemmon, Walsh, Kyle Brown, or Gehle.... anyone want to throw another name in there? At this point with Cap being the most dominant I would have to give it to stahl. He gets 13 and 5 while being double teamed and trapped allowing others to make big plays. Walsh had 20 in the first half yesterday but seemed to get tired with Capital playing 12 guys and rotating, but he should be thrown in the mix as well. Lemmon is another solid player who leads his team but Im not sure if the consistency has been there to get a POY nod. great player none the less. Kyle Brown is a great player but the team isnt that good and Gehle is having an up and down year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 04, 2008, 11:13:32 PM
Dynex- any explanation for why Otterbein and Capital were both able to better than 60% for the game both overall and from 3 point land?  Are there defensive problems with JCU?  I haven't seen them this year, but from when I've seen them in the past, it always seemed like they were physical enough and intense enough on the defensive end that the idea of an opponent hitting such a high percentage seemed unlikely.  I could understand the lack of a Brandon Mimes inside hurting the interior defense...but it's perimeter defense that has been missing against Ott and Cap.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 05, 2008, 12:04:57 AM
Thought I would return to my duties as unofficial/occasional poster about all things Ohio Athletic Conference:

Looking at teams and races from here on in:

The Top 2:

Capital.  At 11-1, Capital has 3 "easy" wins and 3 "challenging" games left.  Win the three they should win, plus a season sweep of Heidelberg, Cap would finish at least 15-3 and alone in first place. My guess is the Crusaders finish 5-1 or 6-0 and mop up the league. Worst case scenario seems to be a 3-3 finish, 14-4 OAC, which probably still wins the league.  To go worse than that would be a titanic failure.

Heidelberg.  If Cap goes .500 or better (14 wins or more), then no one save Heidelberg, at 9-3, even has a chance to catch up. The 'Berg has three tough road assignments (Cap, JCU and Musky) left, and four road games.  To catch up to Cap, the Berg needs to be perfect or at least 3-1 on the road (with the loss somewhere other than Bexley) and to win what should be two "easy" games at home.  Catching Cap is probably unlikely. On the plus side, a 5-1 or 4-2 finish (14-4 or 13-5) virtually insures no worse than second place; any of the three 7-5 teams would have to finish a perfect 6-0 to match that record.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 05, 2008, 12:07:56 AM
The 7-5/6-6 Logjam:

Wilmington. The Quakers own the best win tiebreakers, and have proven that they can take on the top two teams, earning splits with 'Berg and Cap.  As an added bonus, it is the only 7-5 team that is done playing both 'Berg and Cap. Wilmington also has only 2 road games left, both against fellow "log jammers." (@ ONU, @ Musky) Quakers are 4-1 at home in OAC play, with 3 winnable games left on home court. It shouldn't be a stretch to go at least 4-2 (3-1 at home, 1-1 on the road) and end at 11-7.

Ohio Northern.  Only two road games, but one is Capital. Like Wilmington, the key for ONU will be holding serve at home as much as possible. 3-1 or 4-0 at home and 1-1 on the road would put ONU in basically the same situation as Wilmington. Wilmington won the first head-to-head; ONU needs to win the rematch on its home floor to have a shot at 3rd.

John Carroll has managed to sandwich a season sweep of Musky around blow-out losses to the best team in the league and one of the worst.  Weird.  JCU has two home losses in league play and could easily get a third courtesy of 'Berg in a few weeks.  To go better than .500 in the last six, JCU will have to earn a win against 'Berg at home, or ONU and Wilmington on the road and avoid any other pitfall.

Muskingum. Of the teams in the "log jam," Musky is the one that seems most likely to stay at the bottom edge of it.  Already a game back at 6-6 and beaten twice by JCU, Musky still has to go to Capital and host Heidelberg, plus go on the road to ONU and host Wilmington. 4-0 in those games would be stunning, and thus unlikely. I see them probably going at best 2-2 there, 4-2 in the last 6, for a record of 10-8 at best.  Musky only holds a favorable head-to-head against ONU currently, of the teams ahead of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 06, 2008, 08:04:58 PM
KB - Ive seen Cap and Ott play multiple times this year and its obviously a tale of two teams here in columbus. However, with Cap and Ott both putting up huge numbers against JCU stems from a lack of team defense. Both teams obviously made more 3's than they missed against JCU and some were tough shots but JCU has trouble rotating and sometimes leaves shooters open. They have the athletes to play with the big boys but in bexley they just ran out of gas after a 63-51 first half. I think JCU is still a team that they could make things interesting in the tournament.
My predictions is that Cap will drop another one they shouldnt but still win the league. The tournament will be at Capital but Look for HIED, WILM, ONU, and JCU to put a run together.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 06, 2008, 10:33:31 PM
Another Wednesday, another night of puzzling finals in the OAC:

Heidelberg 84, Baldwin-Wallace 87   ???
Capital 82, Marietta 48
Ohio Northern 103, Otterbein 74
Mount Union 70, John Carroll 65  ???
Wilmington 49, Muskingum 72   :o :o

So, it's:

Capital 11-1
Heidelberg 9-4
Ohio Northern 8-5
Wilmington 7-6
John Carroll 7-6
Muskingum 7-6

Capital now has a 3 game lead with 5 to play.  I think I know where the OAC Men's Tournament will be...
How does Wilmington control a game to win against Capital, then lose to Muskingum by 23?

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 07, 2008, 07:27:10 AM
KB - (WILM comment) Anyone can get up to play a top team esp at home such as WILM vs Cap last week, however those wednesday games can catch you sleeping, litterally. After a day of classes and the WILM to muskie trip isnt the shortest. you have to bring it every night.

Cap's website said Capital was up 40 with 6 minutes to play..... On the road on a wednesday thats not too bad after it being a 3 point game close to half. 

ONU Ott doesnt surprise me, and really BW uypsetting HIED doesnt either. However, JCU was beat at home by MUC and that would be JCU 's 3rd home loss this seaon. Thats really the only shocker here in my opinion. Dont get me wrong MUC is a good team at times but i would expect JCU to defend their home court.  BW is playing decent basketball esp at home right now. Cap up three games with 5 to play, it will be interesting to see if Coach Goodwin can keep his guys focused over the next couple weeks. No doubt in my mind they are a shoe in to win it, but if they let their guard down they might get clipped in the OAC tourny. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 07, 2008, 09:59:05 AM
Quote from: Dynex on February 07, 2008, 07:27:10 AM
No doubt in my mind they are a shoe in to win it, but if they let their guard down they might get clipped in the OAC tourny. 

I don't see how Cap can be caught now with Heide losing last night.  But, the Crusaders still have to stay sharp to avoid falling prey to the upset in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2008, 05:03:45 PM
KB


Thanks for your continued good work on the OAC postings....However, I must point out that on Feb. 5th you stated Wilmington won the first head to head with ONU at Wilmington...ONU actually won that game 66-62. Looks like there is still a contest for second place, I don't see Cap falling apart, but I wouldn't put money on anybody for second at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 08, 2008, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 08, 2008, 05:03:45 PM
KB


Thanks for your continued good work on the OAC postings....However, I must point out that on Feb. 5th you stated Wilmington won the first head to head with ONU at Wilmington...ONU actually won that game 66-62. Looks like there is still a contest for second place, I don't see Cap falling apart, but I wouldn't put money on anybody for second at this point.

Indeed they did.  Oops.   :-[

Yeah, 'Berg's loss to B-W really opens up the race for second/third/fourth.  (ie. first round hosts in the tournament.)  As usual, it should be fun from here on in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2008, 06:09:41 PM
Took a few moments and looked over the schedules for ONU,Wilmington,John Carroll, Muskingham, and Heidelaberg....ONU's final five are a combined 37-28, Muskingam's last five are combined 36-29, Heidelberg's are 32-33,John carroll's 31-34 and Wilmington's are 28-37....BUT...Heidelberg has four of their last five on the road...tough finish...they've got JC,Muskingam, and Cap on the road...I see them losing a minimum of two of their last five leaving them at
















Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 08, 2008, 06:30:31 PM
Sorry about that....I lost power and posted a half-post....Anyway that leaves the Berg at 12-6...good for second place... John Carroll also plays four of their last five on the road....they just aren't stong enough to win more than three of those and probably will lose to ONU ,Heidelberg and Wilmington, which leaves them at 9-9....The Muskies play three of five at home, but one of their home games is Heidelberg and I don't think the Berg is going down easy , I see them losing to Cap at Cap, to ONU at ONU, and losing to The Student Princes at home to finish at 9-9....ONU has four of their last five at home, but their one away game is Capital...I see them winning three of their last five losing to Cap and losing one of the three between JC, the Muskies and Wilmington and finishing at 11-7...That leaves Wilmington with their last four of five at home against teams with a combine 43% winning percentage....I think they'll take four of five and finish 11-7 tied with ONU for second....There, now that I have that all figured out we can save ourselves a lot of time and just get to the tournament..
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 09, 2008, 05:03:29 PM
OAC Scores from 2/9:

Muskingum 66
Capital 72

Baldwin-Wallace 60
Wilmington 70

John Carroll 81
Ohio Northern 90

Marietta 66
Heidelberg 93

Otterbein 71
Mount Union 76

So the league looks like this:

Capital (13-1)
Heidelberg (10-4)
Ohio Northern (9-5)
Wilmington (9-5)
John Carroll (7-7)
Muskingum (7-8)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 11, 2008, 05:32:10 PM
Just took a look at the all Decade team....

Jeff Gibbs on second team.. great honor for him, would have hated to see how good the other guy was.

Tori Davis on honorable mention ? Seriously? Not meant to be a knock on Tori but I think I could name at least 25 players in the OAC that have been better than him in the last decade let alone in all of D3. tori was a good player and a great person but i think thats a stretch.

Also - checked out the OAC website and  noticed Otterbein has 5 wins and 3 Players of the week. found that interesting. While, Cap, WILM, and JCU only have one each. ONU and HEID with two each. How is this determined and why would Otterbein have almost as many players of the week as they do wins?

anyone want to talk POY with two weeks left to play in the regular season?
Im looking out there and notice that I think Cap has the two best guards in the league in Ryan Wood and Nate Stahl, both of whom have been sick or injured lately, but they dont have anyone in the top of the individual stats. Does this hurt them for postseason awards? Also I think you have to consider Terry Walsh, Kyle Brown, and even one of the Heid guys such as Lemon, Szalay, or Schimdt.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2008, 05:39:00 PM
Were they consistently better than he was for four years? It's an entire-career award.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 11, 2008, 07:56:04 PM
I mean i wasnt trying to disrepect his career or anything but the  likes of Jim Conrad, Shawn McCormick, Geron Tate, Bryan Nelson, Jeremy Thompson, even Jesse Duperow. I mean i think the list could go on of players who (in my opinion) had better careers. I just dont think hes one of the top 20 players in the last 10 years across the country, when he wasnt the best in his league...

None the less, great honor for Tori.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 11, 2008, 08:13:24 PM
According to the oac.org website,

Tori Davis was a four time all-OAC player, including 3 time first team player,  League player of the year in 2006 and 2007. 

Finished 7th all-time in league scoring, and 5th in rebounding and the all-time leading shot blocker for BW.

None of the players you listed are ahead of him in either career scoring or rebounding (not even Gibbs)

http://www.oac.org/documents/MBB2007-08MANUAL.pdf

not sure why but Davis doesn't show up on the all-time leading rebounder list, but it says he was #5 from this release........

http://www.oac.org/documents/2007MBBAll-OAC.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2008, 02:15:33 AM
Right -- he was the best in his league, twice in fact. I can see Dynex disagrees but I kinda like the collective opinion of the coaches in this regard.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 12, 2008, 11:33:22 AM
Duly noted fellas.

He had better CAREER numbers than I thought and I guess I didnt realize he was two time player of the year.
I thought that was his brother who got it one year and he got it the other.  I saw him play a few times and i didnt see that he was as good as some of those guys mentioned, but numbers dont lie. But hey, thats what this board is for right Pat? Honest mistake dont hold it against me  ;D




Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 14, 2008, 12:12:09 AM
Scores from 2/13:

Capital 80
Mount Union 68

Heidelberg  82
John Carroll 74

Baldwin-Wallace 84
Otterbein 94

Marietta  70
Muskingum 76

Wilmington 80
Ohio Northern 79

So, Capital (14-1) clinches at least a share of the OAC regular season title, up 3 with 3 to play, and winning at least one of its last three seems highly probable...though not totally a gimmie.
Heidelberg (11-4) keeps pace and moves closer to clinching the second seed, as Ohio Northern's loss puts the 'Berg two games in the clear.
Huge win (on a late 3-pointer) for Wilmington (9-6), who earned a split with ONU (9-6) and by virtue of wins over Capital and Heidelberg, holds the "best win" tiebreaker on anyone in the league. ONU also has to face Cap Saturday. Advantage Quakers for seed #3.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 14, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
I'm going to try to look at the bottom half of the OAC bracket when I get a chance...just not staying up/able to think it through tonight.  Otterbein is 3-3 in its last 6 OAC games to pull into a three-way tie with Baldwin-Wallace and Mount Union at 5-10 in the league.  One of those three teams will end up sitting the OAC tournament out.

Also, JCU needs to find a way to right the ship- the Streaks' current streak is decidedly "Blue." Four straight losses in two weeks, to fall from 7-4 to 7-8.  Marietta looms- there's probably no better way to stop the bleeding.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 14, 2008, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 14, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
Marietta looms- there's probably no better way to stop the bleeding.
I wouldn't bet the house on it as 'Etta came closer than expected to beating Musky last night... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 18, 2008, 11:44:19 AM
Capital wrapped up the OAC Regular Season title this past weekend and the #1 seed in the OAC tourney that goes with it by beating ONU.  The big game against the Berg this week now loses some of its luster, but I think Cap will still look at it as a bit of a "statement game" going into the tourney and try to put the rest of the OAC "on notice" as to how far ahead they are from everyone else if they can handily beat the Student Princes.

It will be interesting to see how Coach Goodwin keeps his guys up over the next few games since they now don't have a lot of meaning.  They'll really have to guard against getting complacent, as there won't be a lot of margin for error if they lose in the OAC tourney and have to vie for an at-large in the NCAA's.  I think the team is mature enough, however, to realize this, and I certainly don't expect them to let their proverbial "guard down."

But, the road now goes through Bexley.  Which is, I think, a good thing.

Didn't check the standings before I posted, so what do the potential OAC tourney matchups look like?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: JK on February 18, 2008, 11:44:19 AM
Capital wrapped up the OAC Regular Season title this past weekend and the #1 seed in the OAC tourney that goes with it by beating ONU.  The big game against the Berg this week now loses some of its luster, but I think Cap will still look at it as a bit of a "statement game" going into the tourney and try to put the rest of the OAC "on notice" as to how far ahead they are from everyone else if they can handily beat the Student Princes.

Didn't check the standings before I posted, so what to the potential OAC tourney matchups look like?

I think 'Berg might think of this as a "statement game," too.  I expect that 'Berg isn't happy about how Capital manhandled them in the first meeting.  Should be a nice matchup.

I'm also interested in pairings...I'll take a look when I get a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 18, 2008, 12:53:14 PM
So, the OAC standings look like this currently (I've left 10th place 'Etta off the list, as they are eliminated from the tourney already):

Rank, Name, OAC W, OAC L, Overall W, Overall L
1. Capital          15       1             20           3 
2. Heidelberg    12       4             18           5 
3. Wilmington    10       6             15           8 
4. Ohio Northern 9       7             13           10 
5. John Carroll     8       8             11           11 
5. Muskingum      8       8             14           9 
7. BW                  6       10              9          14 
8. Mount Union    5       11              9         14 
8. Otterbein         5       11             6          17

I am ashamed to say that I don't know enough about my own conference to know the tiebreakers, so I listed the tie for 8th between MUC and OTT.  If the TB is overall record as I assume, then MUC is in and the Otters are out (no tears from me for that  ;) ) and that Musky would get the 5 over JCU?!?  I didn't take the time to research head to head, etc. for other TB's, which would also impact seedings.

So that would give us:
#8 MUC at #1 Cap (sound familiar football fans?!?  Only this time Cap is the favorite  ;D)
#7 B-dub would go to Tiffin to play the #2 Berg
#6 JCU would be at #3 Wilma
#5 Musky would head to Ada to play #4 ONU

Looking back through the season, I would think that the Streaks at the Quakers would be the best game of the first round, as both could be considered "dark horse" picks in the tourney (JCU much more than Wilma, but even as the 3 seed Wilma is 5 back of Cap, so...) and could make some noise if they got hot.  JCU does have lots of postseason experience from recent years. 

Of course the 4-5 game is always a toss up, and I had recently seen some posts re: ONU, and thought they might be my darkhorse for the tourney, but Cap seemingly handled them pretty well Saturday, so unless they improve bunches over the next week, I'm not sure about them.  I'm really not sure about the Fishes from New Concord.  They look a bit on again- off again.

Those of you like kiltedbrian, Scots Fan, etc. who have seen most or all of these teams, what do you think of these matchups as they currently stand?   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2008, 01:38:48 PM
Quote from: JK on February 18, 2008, 12:53:14 PM
Those of you like kiltedbrian, Scots Fan, etc. who have seen most or all of these teams, what do you think of these matchups as they currently stand?   

Anything goes in the OAC tournament, and I see no reason to suspect that this year will be any different. 
*I assume that Cap would handle MUC with no difficulty, but if their opponent should turn out to be Ott, there's a rivalry factor that comes into play, plus the fact that Ott can get streaky-hot and make any game interesting. 
*Muskingum is tough to beat at home, where they are 5-3 with losses to Cap (by 4), JCU (7), and Ott (4 in OT), but they haven't won a road conference game since Jan. 9 at Etta.  As much as I'd like to see them get a home game (solely for my own convenience), it looks like they'd have to beat 'Berg and win at ONU this week to do it (JCU swept Musky and so holds the tie-break between them.) 
*I don't know what to think about ONU.  I only saw them once this year (at Musky) and was unimpressed.  They had a home tournament game last year, vs. Ott, which I went to see, and was amazed at how blase they were.  They didn't play with any great fire, and didn't seem responsive to the crowd, and when they had lost, they left the court as if it was just another game and not the last game of the season.  Based only on that, I'd say the team that heads to Ada has a good chance of winning, especially if that team is JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: JK on February 18, 2008, 12:53:14 PM
So, the OAC standings look like this currently (I've left 10th place 'Etta off the list, as they are eliminated from the tourney already):

Rank, Name, OAC W, OAC L, Overall W, Overall L
1. Capital          15       1             20           3 
2. Heidelberg    12       4             18           5 
3. Wilmington    10       6             15           8 
4. Ohio Northern 9       7             13           10 
5. John Carroll     8       8             11           11 
5. Muskingum      8       8             14           9 
7. BW                  6       10              9          14 
8. Mount Union    5       11              9         14 
8. Otterbein         5       11             6          17

I am ashamed to say that I don't know enough about my own conference to know the tiebreakers, so I listed the tie for 8th between MUC and OTT.  If the TB is overall record as I assume, then MUC is in and the Otters are out (no tears from me for that  ;) ) and that Musky would get the 5 over JCU?!?  I didn't take the time to research head to head, etc. for other TB's, which would also impact seedings.


Don't be ashamed.  I've tried to find the tie-breaker information on the OAC conference website several times, to no avail.  However, from last year I remember discussion about tiebreakers, and I am relatively certain that after head-to-head, the tiebreaker goes to the team with the "best win" in OAC play.

Currently, that means Mount is in, Otterbein is out, based on Mount's win over current #3 seed Wilmington.  Ott's best win appears to be over current #6 Muskingum. Otterbein plays at Wilmington Wednesday, so a win there could mean that we'll have to learn even more about tie-breaker scenarios.  :)

JCU currently holds the #5 seed because of the season sweep of Musky (as David notes.)

It's still possible, though somewhat improbable, with the remaining schedules, for Wilmington, ONU, JCU and Muskingum to all end up in a four-way tie at 10-8.  That would be fun.  ::)

One more win for 'Berg locks up the #2 seed and the same goes for Wilmington and the #3 seed (Wilmington/ONU split; Quakers have the best win tiebreaker).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2008, 03:07:15 PM
You want tie-breaker madness?  Check out the NCAC Women (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=726.msg868094#msg868094), who may have not one but two unbreakable three-way ties at the end of the season, one in the 2-3-4 positions , the other in the 7-8-9 positions, and both settled by the casting of lots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 05:18:02 PM
Capital has posted a page with information about the 2008 OAC tournament.

http://www.capital.edu/17574/

I assume the site will continue to be updated as more teams/seeds are known.  Links to local food/lodging and such are provided.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 18, 2008, 08:06:28 PM
Trying to figure out OAC scenarios/tourney matchups right now isn't going to do anything but cause you headaches. For Example, even though Heidelberg has locked up no worse then the 3 seed they could potentially play anyone besides Capital, Wilmington, or Marietta (only because the Pio's are eliminated from contention) Will know a lot more after wednesday. Speaking of the Berg, with OWU's loss to Earlham are the Princes the GL Region best Pool C chance?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 10:32:39 PM
This is quoted over from the multi-regional topics "Pool C" board:

Quote from: pabegg on February 18, 2008, 01:50:41 PM


GL  64   01   01   0.6098 0.5232 0.5291 Capital                   012  A w C       19-3 20-3
GL  63   02   03   0.5960 0.5146 0.4883 Wooster                   018  A w C       13-2 20-3
GL  62   03   02   0.5911 0.4857 0.5180 Hope                      023  A w C       14-2 19-3
GL  64   04   04   0.5800 0.4973 0.5253 Heidelberg                035  C 14        16-4 18-5
GL  62   05   09   0.5770 0.5038 0.5005 Albion                    037  C 15        12-3 16-5
GL  61   06   07   0.5570 0.4408 0.4964 Penn State-Behrend        044  A second    17-3 19-4
GL  61   07   06   0.5532 0.4556 0.4921 Lake Erie                 053  C second    17-4 17-6
GL  63   08   05   0.5803 0.5458 0.4929 Ohio Wesleyan             056  C second    14-5 15-7
GL  64   09   10   0.5651 0.5155 0.5153 Wilmington                069  C third     15-6 15-8



OK, I've fixed the issues that I've found. DePauw drops out of Pool C, replaced by Albion.

Pabegg has a great resource there in guessing at Pool C bids.  You'll notice that 'Berg will likely be slotted immediately behind the three "likely Pool A" teams in the GL.

Pabegg also rates 'Berg as receiving the 14th Pool C bid (there are 17 total). Albion is immediately behind with the 15th bid.  I would consider both of those teams candidates for Pool C bids if they win all their games until their respective conference tournament finals.

Heidelberg plays Capital Wednesday.  A Heidelberg win will definitely bolster 'Berg in the Pool C contention.  It's unclear to me how much a loss (since it would be to a good team) would hurt its chances.

Best bet for 'Berg or Albion though, is to win their tournaments...it's the only sure way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 18, 2008, 10:52:45 PM
Any of my fellow posters/lurkers planning to attend Wednesday's Heidelberg/Capital tilt?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 20, 2008, 09:08:05 PM
Final:

Heidelberg 80
Capital      74

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 20, 2008, 09:09:01 PM
the CAP HEID game was ugly... Looked more like a team that had already won the league and a team that wanted to prove they were able to be in the same gym. The officiating was pretty ugly throughout with the teams getting physical down the streth, and Capital seemingly was bored until they found themselves down 10 with 5 minutes to play. They kicked it in gear and ran off 9 straight and then it was a FT contest for HEID down the stetch.. HEID definitely hit some big shots early in the game and then Capital had no answer inside in the second half. Im not sure what the stats were but I wouldnt be surprised if HEID outrebounded the Crusaders in their own gym... #1, and #2 seeds are set for next week. We will see how these two teams react on saturday.

Makes for an intereting OAC tourny!  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2008, 01:17:21 AM
Finals from 2/20:
As per usual in the OAC, on this night 4 of the 5 worse-record teams won the games.  Only Mount Union/Marietta went according to "form."

Heidelberg    80   
Capital    74   

John Carroll    70   
Baldwin-Wallace  81   

Marietta       51
Mount Union 72

Muskingum    78
Ohio Northern    72   

Otterbein    80
Wilmington 67
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: johnworms on February 21, 2008, 05:59:04 AM
Sombody can correct me, but it looks like it will be Otterbein on the outside looking in, in terms of grabbing the 8th spot. They need to pull off the major upset Saturday at home against CAP in order to overcome all of the tie-break scenarios which are decidedly against them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2008, 11:08:47 AM
With a win, Ott is in the tournament regardless of what B-W or Mount Union does.
With a win and a B-W loss, Ott is the #7 seed (split with B-W; best win is Ott over Cap).
With a win and a B-W win, Ott is the #8 seed.

With a loss, Ott needs Mount Union to lose. If that happens and they are tied at 6-12, then I think this is the scenario: They split with each other. Both were swept by #1 Capital and #2 'Berg and both split with #3 Wilmington. So it comes down to who wins the #4 seed. If it's Musky, Ott is in (Ott split, Musky swept MU). If ONU claims the #4 seed, then Mount Union is in (MU and ONU would split, ONU swept Ott). So the irony there is that Mount could lose to ONU...and it could help!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 21, 2008, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2008, 11:08:47 AMSo it comes down to who wins the #4 seed

ONU and Musky are presently tied at 9-8.  Musky holds the tie-breaker, having swept the PBs.  So ONU must beat MUC and have 'Berg beat Musky to clinch the #4 seed.  If both ONU and Musky lose and JCU beats Wilma, there'd be a three-way tie at 9-9 which I think breaks ONU's way by virtue of ONU's "best win" over 'Berg.  (Musky swept ONU, ONU swept JCU, JCU swept Musky.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 21, 2008, 01:07:44 PM
The Otters are, of course, our biggest rival.  While Cap is the better team, anything could happen.

I just don't like the scenario of playing OTT this weekend and then going back to back with them in the first round of the OAC.

If Cap can take care of business and eliminate the Otters, that would be doubly sweet!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2008, 12:08:25 PM
Current Standings:

Capital (15-2)     
Heidelberg (13-4)    
Wilmington (10-7)    
Muskingum (9-8)    
Ohio Northern (9-8)    
John Carroll (8-9)    
Baldwin-Wallace (7-10)    
Mount Union (6-11)    
Otterbein (6-11)
Marietta (2-15) (eliminated from tournament)

So I think I've worked out all the seeding possibilities:

#1 Capital
#2 Heidelberg
#3 Wilmington (owns tiebreakers on Musky and ONU)

#4 ONU/Musky Scenarios:
4a) Musky wins and/or ONU loses.  Musky is the 4 seed.
4b) ONU wins and Musky loses. ONU is the 4 seed.
4c) ONU, Musky lose and JCU wins. Three-way tie at 9-9. They all swept each other; ONU owns the best win. ONU is the 4 seed (JCU is the 5, and Musky the 6).

#5 ONU/Musky/JCU Scenarios:
5a) Musky is the fifth seed only if it loses, ONU wins, and JCU loses.
5b) JCU is the fifth seed only if it wins while Musky loses. (JCU owns the tiebreaker.)
5c) ONU is the fifth seed in all other situations. (ONU is the fourth seed in 5a and 5b.)

#6 Musky/JCU/B-W
6a) JCU claims at least the sixth seed with a win. That keeps JCU clear of B-W. If Musky ties JCU at 9-9, JCU is the fifth seed, Musky is sixth (head-to-head sweep). If ONU ties JCU at 9-9, ONU is fifth, JCU is sixth (again head-to-head sweep).
6b) JCU loses and B-W wins, tie 8-10. They split; B-W has a win over Heidelberg. Advantage B-W for sixth, JCU would be the seventh seed.

#7 B-W/Ott/JCU
7a) B-W wins, JCU loses. See 6b, above. B-W is sixth, JCU seventh.
7b) B-W wins, JCU wins. B-W is seventh.
7c) Everybody (B-W, MUC, Ott) loses. B-W is the seventh seed at 7-11.

#7/#8 ties:
7/8a) B-W loses, MUC wins, Ott loses. B-W swept MUC; B-W seventh, MUC eighth, Ott is out.
7/8b) B-W loses, MUC loses, Ott wins. B-W and Ott split; Ott would have the best win (over Capital), so Ott seventh, B-W eighth and MUC sits it out.
7/8c) B-W loses, MUC and Ott win. Three-way tie at 7-11. I assume the head-to-head analysis is "best record among tied teams." So B-W is 3-1 (swept MUC, split Ott), and Ott is 2-2 (both splits), and MUC is 1-3. B-W seventh, Otterbein eighth, and have MUC misses the tourney.

#8/9 tie: (B-W wins to clinch at least seventh.)
8/9a) Ott and MUC win. Tie at 7-11. They split, but Ott just beat Capital for the best win. Ott is eighth, MUC sits it out.
8/9b) Ott and MUC lose. Tie at 6-12. Then:
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 21, 2008, 11:08:47 AM
If they are tied at 6-12, then I think this is the scenario: They split with each other. Both were swept by #1 Capital and #2 'Berg and both split with #3 Wilmington. So it comes down to who wins the #4 seed. If it's Musky, Ott is in (Ott split, Musky swept MU). If ONU claims the #4 seed, then Mount Union is in (MU and ONU would split, ONU swept Ott).

Phew.   ;D  Corrections welcome.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 22, 2008, 03:01:14 PM
I'm just dying to get some of you outsiders to use the term "Otters" when referring to Otterbein (a Capital favorite) and "Flaming Pile" (an OAC football Post-Patterns colloquialism) when referring to BW.

;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 23, 2008, 05:51:21 PM
Well I think Otterbein will need the upset tonight.

Mount Union lost to ONU while I believe that Muskingum feel to Heidelberg in double overtime. B-W won.

So, ONU is in sole possession of 4th place, which means that Mount Union will hold the 6-12 tiebreaker over  Otterbein.  I think they have to pull the upset to get into the tournament as the 8th seed, and earn the right to play Capital again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 24, 2008, 12:03:14 AM
OTT beat Wilmington the 3 seed, this wednesday. So that means with Mount losing to ONU in OT by 1 today OTT is in regardless of tonites outcome vs. CAP by owning the tie breaker for better win.

So i belive the tourney shapes up like this:

#8 OTT @ #1 CAP
#5 Musky @ #4 ONU

#6 BW @ #3 Wilmington
#7 JCU @ #2 Berg
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2008, 12:50:55 AM
Quote from: Basketball23 on February 24, 2008, 12:03:14 AM
OTT beat Wilmington the 3 seed, this wednesday. So that means with Mount losing to ONU in OT by 1 today OTT is in regardless of tonites outcome vs. CAP by owning the tie breaker for better win.

I understand that. But Mount Union also beat Wilmington this season.  Otterbein and Mount Union were both swept by Capital, swept by Heidelberg and split with Wilmington.

ONU secured the #4 seed today by beating Mount Union, but Mount Union won the first contest. ONU swept Otterbein.  Otterbein is done.

And you don't even have to agree with me...you can just check out Capital's web page (http://www.capital.edu/17574/) dedicated to next week's tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2008, 12:52:13 AM
Final Scores from the last regular season OAC day:

Capital 87
Otterbein 77

Heidelberg 108
Muskingum 102 (2 OT)

Mount Union 76
Ohio Northern 77 (OT)

John Carroll 84
Wilmington 86

Baldwin-Wallace 86
Marietta 60

Seems like a lot of teams and players came out to play today, with many of them knowing what was on the line.  Mount Union clearly refused to go away quietly; and (now) #5 seed Muskingum sent a pretty good message to #2 Heidelberg that "We can play with you."  Unfortunately, the Muskies came up short and will have to travel on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2008, 01:10:23 AM
Final 2007-2008 Regular Season OAC standings:

1. Capital (16-2)
2. Heidelberg (14-4)
3. Wilmington (11-7)
4. Ohio Northern (10-8)
5. Muskingum (9-9)
6. Baldwin-Wallace (8-10)
7. John Carroll (8-10)
8. Mount Union (6-12)
9. Otterbein (6-12)
10. Marietta (2-16)

The tournament pairings look like this:

Wednesday
#8 Mount Union @ #1 Capital
#5 Muskingum @ #4 Ohio Northern

#7 John Carroll @ #2 Heidelberg
#6 Baldwin-Wallace @ #3 Wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 25, 2008, 12:22:00 AM
Looked at the box score (http://www.capital.edu/17760/) for yesterday's Otterbein/Capital game...can anyone explain why Nate Stahl didn't play for Capital?  I'm guessing he was sick?  It would be a blow to Capital if for some reason they are without Stahl for any more games.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 25, 2008, 02:18:20 PM
KB - not sure why he was out either. I was at the game and asked someone from Capital and they said they didnt know either but assumed he was sick. There has been some team sickness going around with CAP for about a month or so starting a couple weeks back when they lost to WILM. It would be a big loss if they had to play without Stahl anymore than this past weekend. Hes the team leader and the best player in the league in my opinion, even though hes not in the  league leaders on the OAC site for any category except 3pt%.  13pts and 5 rbs a game with double teams every night is a great stat line for him considering Capital is such a balanced team.

congrats to Adam Wells from Otterbein for pouring in 36 points on saturday night and hitting 1,000 points on the head.

I Also had a chance to read up on the Musky HEID game, what a finish! Sounded like there was some great basketball in the OAC again this past weekend and not just in Westerville.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC_alum55 on February 25, 2008, 05:26:51 PM
Was also at the Ott/Cap game on Saturday... hard-fought, great game (as always). Hopefully Stahl will return soon for the Crusaders. They are still a good team without him, but their chances of advancing deep into the NCAA tourney decrease drastically (IMHO) if he is out for some reason. He's the guy who makes that team go.

Again, congrats to Adam Wells on reaching the 1,000 point plateau. Good honor that says a lot about "career consistency", but I'm sure somewhat bittersweet considering the loss to Cap.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on February 26, 2008, 09:11:39 AM
I think that there will be a upset in the OAC tourney. Only one of the top two seeds will make it to the OAC championship. If capital has everyone playing they will be in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 04:08:26 PM
If you're being an over-the-internet fan tonight, Capital's tournament website promises to be one-stop shopping for broadcast and live stats links.

http://www.capital.edu/17574/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2008, 05:57:33 PM
Thanks -- I've added the ones that weren't already on our front page live games box. Looking like a good night for following on the Net.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on February 27, 2008, 09:51:02 PM
Saw the Cap Mount game tonight, first five minutes of the game Capital looked like the best team in the country, then for the other 35 look content to just win.  Nate Stahl was back in the lineup but a couple Cap's players were still under the weather according to a student sitting in front of me. Game ball goes to Q.Mitchell, two thunderous dunks in traffic late in the game sealed what was a valiant comeback attempt by the raiders. the tourny comes through columbus this weekend. 

ONU at Capital on Friday after ONU put it to Muskie despite Tyler Felt hitting for 26..
game will be at 8pm.

Havent heard about the other two games. should be a fun weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 09:51:29 PM
OAC Quarterfinal Results:

#8 Mount Union 54
#1 Capital  67

#5 Muskingum 67
#4 Ohio Northern 78


#7 John Carroll 74
#2 Heidelberg 104

#6 Baldwin-Wallace 67
#3 Wilmington  59


Pairings for Friday night in Bexley will be:

#6 Baldwin-Wallace vs. #2 Heidelberg
#4 ONU vs. #1 Capital
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 09:58:34 PM
Quote from: Dynex on February 27, 2008, 09:51:02 PM
Saw the Cap Mount game tonight, first five minutes of the game Capital looked like the best team in the country, then for the other 35 look content to just win.  Nate Stahl was back in the lineup but a couple Cap's players were still under the weather according to a student sitting in front of me. Game ball goes to Q.Mitchell, two thunderous dunks in traffic late in the game sealed what was a valiant comeback attempt by the raiders. the tourny comes through columbus this weekend. 

ONU at Capital on Friday after ONU put it to Muskie despite Tyler Felt hitting for 26..
game will be at 8pm.

Havent heard about the other two games. should be a fun weekend!


Dynex, while I won't go so far as to say that Capital looked like the best team in the country in the first five minutes, Cap was dominant early- really for the first 10-12 minutes.

Mount Union outplayed Capital in the last few minutes of the first half and then for the first ten minutes of the second, bringing a 15 point halftime lead down to 4 on a couple occasions, but Capital simply had enough talent to spare tonight that it could cruise through to the semifinals.  In particular, Mount Union couldn't accomplish anything offensively in the paint all night, as the Raiders were outmatched by Capital's Gunn, Kyser and others.

Quintin Mitchell is consistently impressive. I think Mitchell is Capital's best pure athlete, and both of the dunks sealed the deal and put the game on ice.  In fact, after those plays (~5 min. left), the overall level of play dropped quite a bit, as even the last few minutes where the starters were still in the game, it felt like garbage time.

Overall, pretty good all around game for Capital, and a solid, hard-fought effort by Mount Union.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2008, 10:05:25 PM
While I do not think all of these wins are from college or D-III coaching, this still deserves a mention here:

Quote from: Baldwin-Wallace MBB website:
Baldwin-Wallace Coach Steve Bankson Wins 700th Career Game as B-W Beats Marietta, 86-60, in Marietta

Bankson Wins His 700th Career Game
BEREA, OHIO --  Junior center Andrew Bene (Hinckley/ Medina Highland) scored 17 points today (Saturday, February 23, 2008) to help Baldwin-Wallace College veteran men's basketball coach Steve Bankson win his 700th career game as the Yellow Jackets beat Marietta College, 86-60, in an Ohio Athletic Conference game on Fenton Court in the Ban Johnson Arena in Marietta. With the win, Bankson improved to 700-441 in 44 years overall, including 419 victories in 28 seasons at B-W. Bankson is the third winningest men's basketball coach in OAC history.

Congratulations to Coach Bankson!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2008, 11:20:48 PM
Live Stats, Live Video and broadcast links for tomorrow's contests:

http://www.capital.edu/17574/

It should be a great round of OAC games.  I expect both Capital and Heidelberg to be much more challenged than they were with their respective first round opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on February 29, 2008, 04:20:57 PM
Looks like a battle of columbus is a strong chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 29, 2008, 06:45:40 PM
Quote from: privacy on February 29, 2008, 04:20:57 PM
Looks like a battle of columbus is a strong chance.

Huh?  The two teams in the Columbus area from the OAC are Capital and Otterbein.  Cap is the #1 seed and OTT didn't make the OAC tourney.

The other Columbus area schools with D3 athletics are Ohio Wesleyan and Denison (both NCAC teams), and it is a stretch to call them "Columbus area" as OWU in Delaware and Denison in Granville are both 20+ miles outside the metro.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 29, 2008, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Most video feed I've seen have the camera on the home side - i.e., pointed towards the visitors' side.  Or were you basing that on the audio?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 29, 2008, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Most video feed I've seen have the camera on the home side - i.e., pointed towards the visitors' side.  Or were you basing that on the audio?

The audio. The cheers for ONU seem just as loud usually as the cheers for Capital to me. But that could be because of where the microphones are located.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on February 29, 2008, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Could be that Capital was on Spring Break this week, so not a lot of students were on campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on February 29, 2008, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on February 29, 2008, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: DCHopeNut on February 29, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
Is it me or were there more ONU fans at Capital tonight than Capital fans? That's the impression watching the live feed seems to give me.

Maybe not more but it seems pretty close to even at least.

Could be that Capital was on Spring Break this week, so not a lot of students were on campus.

Our spring break at Cap has always sucked, even when I was there in the early 90's.  Such a weird time so early in the spring break season.  Most of the big spring break parties in places like Daytona, etc don't start for another week or so.

Anyway, big win for the Alma Mater tonight.  Much too close for much comfort, but a W is a W.  Here's hoping for back-to-back OAC titles tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 01, 2008, 08:42:58 AM
If heidelberg does not win do anyone think that they will get a bid in with Wooster losing?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 01, 2008, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: privacy on March 01, 2008, 08:42:58 AM
If heidelberg does not win do anyone think that they will get a bid in with Wooster losing?

It's a possibility, but I don't know enough about what else is going on around the country to make a real strong prediciton.  You have to remember that pool-C, or "at large bids" are awarded to the strongest teams NATIONWIDE, not just in region.  So Wooster losing is more of an INDIRECT impact on the Berg getting a bid rather than a direct one.

What I do know is that it's historically a crapshoot for a second OAC team to get in.  Cap and JCU both got in last year, but they were regular season Co-champs, not a clear first and second like Cap and H-Berg this year.  There have been several years when a very good second place OAC team was ignored by the selection committee.  A few years ago, the year Otterbein won the National Championship, Capital only lost four games on the season, with three being to Otterbein, they finished 8th in the Nation in the D3hoops.com poll, and they didn't get an at-large.  Of course, there were fewer at-large bids then, but the story just illustrates a point.  The only way you can gurantee a spot in the tourney is to win your way in.  Pat; the owner, operator, and publisher of this site and guru of all things D3; says that all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 01, 2008, 12:40:23 PM
My suspicion is that both OAC finalists will make the tournament.  Capital is a better Pool C lock if 'Berg wins tonight, but unless there's a bit spate of upsets all around, I can't see 'Berg not securing a Pool C bid.

There should still be a Pool C bid out there for my Scots...but we're in wait-and-see mode after getting crushed by Wabash.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on March 01, 2008, 09:50:46 PM
Congrats to the Berg on their big win tonight. Berg pushed and hustled their way back into the game which is a testiment of their hard work. Some very questionable calls down the stretch and it appeared that the officials werent going to be outshined tonight. Is it me or are the officials in the OAC just plain bad.. both ways.

Andrew Lemon wanted the win, and he willed his team to it. Coach Sheldon has done a tremous job with that program that used to be the laughing stock of tha oac. not anymore they are NCAA bound.

Ryan Wood had 22 or 24 in the second half after not even attempting a shot in the 1st. If he could put 2 halves together he will be an unbelievable player, which he is already one of the top three or four guards in the league along with nate stahl.

My guess is that these two teams will be playing again with more at stake.

Two teams representing the OAC in this years field of 59. congrats to both Cap and HEID for outstanding years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2008, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: JK on March 01, 2008, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: privacy on March 01, 2008, 08:42:58 AM
If heidelberg does not win do anyone think that they will get a bid in with Wooster losing?

It's a possibility, but I don't know enough about what else is going on around the country to make a real strong prediciton.  You have to remember that pool-C, or "at large bids" are awarded to the strongest teams NATIONWIDE, not just in region.  So Wooster losing is more of an INDIRECT impact on the Berg getting a bid rather than a direct one.

What I do know is that it's historically a crapshoot for a second OAC team to get in.  Cap and JCU both got in last year, but they were regular season Co-champs, not a clear first and second like Cap and H-Berg this year.  There have been several years when a very good second place OAC team was ignored by the selection committee.  A few years ago, the year Otterbein won the National Championship, Capital only lost four games on the season, with three being to Otterbein, they finished 8th in the Nation in the D3hoops.com poll, and they didn't get an at-large.  Of course, there were fewer at-large bids then, but the story just illustrates a point.  The only way you can gurantee a spot in the tourney is to win your way in.  Pat; the owner, operator, and publisher of this site and guru of all things D3; says that all the time.

Good news is that there are nearly three times as many Pool C bids as there were then.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 02, 2008, 09:11:39 PM
Congratulations to the Heidelberg Student Princes for clinching the OAC's automatic bid to the NCAA tournament!

Impressively, Heidelberg closed the season with 8 straight wins, including two wins over Capital, at Capital.

d3hoops team thinks that 'Berg might host on the first weekend....we'll know tomorrow.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NCAC_alum55 on March 03, 2008, 08:39:44 AM
Congrats to Coach Sheldon and his staff- they have done a tremendous job over the past several years!! It's always fun to watch a program go through that kind of transformation.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 03, 2008, 08:59:15 AM
Congrats to the Berg on there win.....................
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 03, 2008, 01:11:37 PM
Capital gains a Pool C bid and will host Bethany on Thursday, with the winner to play at Hope, who has a first round bye.

OAC tournament champion Heidelberg will face NCAC tournament champion Ohio Wesleyan at Centre, who plays Franklin in the first round.

Good luck to the OAC representatives!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 03, 2008, 02:32:52 PM
Who is the favor with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2008, 02:34:27 PM
Per the Capital web site (http://www.capital.edu/71/), tickets will be available at the door for Thursday's game vs. Bethany (7:30).  $6 for adults, $3 children, seniors, students.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 03, 2008, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: privacy on March 03, 2008, 02:32:52 PM
Who is the favor with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes

Whoever has the basketball last, and maybe not until the end of the first or second overtime.  Seriously.

These are two pretty similar teams in style, size and ability- it really should be a fantastic matchup. The key to the game will probably come from the paint: if Lemmon and Schmidt outplay Rudegair and Jean then advantage Heidelberg, or vice versa.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2008, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: privacy on March 03, 2008, 02:32:52 PM
Who is the favor[ite] with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes[leyan]
Ohio Wesleyan has never lost a game in the NCAA tournament.  That should count for something.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 03, 2008, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 03, 2008, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: privacy on March 03, 2008, 02:32:52 PM
Who is the favor[ite] with Heidelberg and Ohio Wes[leyan]
Ohio Wesleyan has never lost a game in the NCAA tournament.  That should count for something.  ;)

I think they have a nice trophy signifying that accomplishment. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 04, 2008, 07:21:43 AM
Nice reward to Captal for a great season.  A home game likely followed by a trip to Hope.  Seriously?!?

I know they gacked away the OAC tourney title, but don't they deserve a teeny bit more respect than they got from the committee?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2008, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: JK on March 04, 2008, 07:21:43 AM
Nice reward to Captal for a great season.  A home game likely followed by a trip to Hope.  Seriously?!?

I know they gacked away the OAC tourney title, but don't they deserve a teeny bit more respect than they got from the committee?

That's life. Capital, like the rest of the OAC, is part of what's considered to be a very tough region. Thus, there's never a year in which OAC representatives have an easy road ... so why pine over something that you're never going to get?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 04, 2008, 09:06:53 AM
Maybe if Capital would have not gave away the championship game, they would have been given a little more respect. At least they do have a home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 04, 2008, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2008, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: JK on March 04, 2008, 07:21:43 AM
Nice reward to Captal for a great season.  A home game likely followed by a trip to Hope.  Seriously?!?

I know they gacked away the OAC tourney title, but don't they deserve a teeny bit more respect than they got from the committee?

That's life. Capital, like the rest of the OAC, is part of what's considered to be a very tough region. Thus, there's never a year in which OAC representatives have an easy road ... so why pine over something that you're never going to get?

Ahh... I guess you're right.  As a Capital alum, I am just disappointed that such a great season may end so soon.  Of course, anything can happen.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 04, 2008, 02:20:13 PM
As a Berg Alum I would like to see them go far. I think it is possible on any given day anybody can win. The only concern I have is that this is foreign territory to them. But anything is possible..
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dynex on March 04, 2008, 02:50:28 PM
Quote from: privacy on March 04, 2008, 09:06:53 AM
Maybe if Capital would have not gave away the championship game, they would have been given a little more respect. At least they do have a home game.

Im not so sure Capital gave away the champsionship game. Heidelberg put together an impressive run and made some tough shots down the stretch. Capital did have the game in control throughout the first half and the first part of the second half. However, when Capital went to their bench on that first rotation and never got the momentum back. I just think Capital and Heidelberg both deserve a little more credit with the way the game ended.

I think that Heidelberg will outrun OWU and then take a shot at Centre who I think the student princes match up well with. They may not have been there before, but you could say that they havent been in the top half of the league before and they did just fine down the stretch in the OAC.

Capital did get rewarded with a home game and then got slapped in the face by playing at #1 team in the country. Interesting move but as someone who has followed Capital Basketball over the years, at least they made the tournament this year at 23-5. Cant say the same for perhaps the second best team in the country back in 2003 when Otterbein rolled through the NCAA by 20pts+ after beating Capital 3 times but a combined total of like 5-6 points.

I still think there is a decent chance Cap and Heid play each other next week...

? - Lets say the OAC pulls off the upsets, where would the sections be held for the hypothetical CAP HEID game? Im not getting ahead of myself by any means just wondering how thats determined. Im not real familiar with how the D3 tourny works.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 04, 2008, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Dynex on March 04, 2008, 02:50:28 PM
Quote from: privacy on March 04, 2008, 09:06:53 AM
Maybe if Capital would have not gave away the championship game, they would have been given a little more respect. At least they do have a home game.

Im not so sure Capital gave away the champsionship game. Heidelberg put together an impressive run and made some tough shots down the stretch. Capital did have the game in control throughout the first half and the first part of the second half. However, when Capital went to their bench on that first rotation and never got the momentum back. I just think Capital and Heidelberg both deserve a little more credit with the way the game ended.

I think that Heidelberg will outrun OWU and then take a shot at Centre who I think the student princes match up well with. They may not have been there before, but you could say that they havent been in the top half of the league before and they did just fine down the stretch in the OAC.

Capital did get rewarded with a home game and then got slapped in the face by playing at #1 team in the country. Interesting move but as someone who has followed Capital Basketball over the years, at least they made the tournament this year at 23-5. Cant say the same for perhaps the second best team in the country back in 2003 when Otterbein rolled through the NCAA by 20pts+ after beating Capital 3 times but a combined total of like 5-6 points.

I still think there is a decent chance Cap and Heid play each other next week...

? - Lets say the OAC pulls off the upsets, where would the sections be held for the hypothetical CAP HEID game? Im not getting ahead of myself by any means just wondering how thats determined. Im not real familiar with how the D3 tourny works.

If Whitewater were still in the tournament, probably there.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 04, 2008, 04:15:20 PM
Heidelberg was on the top half a little bit last year and died down. The experience of last year is what help them this year. I hope you are right and they will be just fine. But it's nothing like experience and being there before.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 04, 2008, 09:28:42 PM
Privacy,

Interesting tidbits here, for you, Heidleberg alum.

Princes' head BB coach Duane Sheldon is my High School Football Coach's son in law.  I grew up outside of Alliance, went to Beloit West Branch H.S., where my Dad was the A.D.  Our head football coach there for years, and the guy who gave my dad his first coaching job was Jim Laut, who came from to my HS in the late 60's from BW a few years ahead of my Dad.  Jim's Daughter is Laura, who met Duane in College at BW and is now his wife.

To further this small world story, the guy Duane replaced as AD, Jerry McDonald, was in my uncle's wedding.  My mom's brother was a teacher and a coach at Mansfield Madison with McDonald (and, coincidentally, Jim Shambre, Sr., whose son was an All-OAC LB at the Berg in my playing days at Capital in the early-mid 90's).

Small world, huh?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 05, 2008, 09:13:47 AM
Nice food for thought! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 05, 2008, 04:48:50 PM
The OAC has announced its All Conference selections:

2008 All-OAC Teams
First Team
Nate Stahl, Capital
Andrew Lemmon, Heidelberg
Brandon Todd, Muskingum
Ross Banazak, Otterbein
Brandon Rogers, Wilmington
Terry Walsh, John Carroll

Mike Gregory/OAC Player of the Year - Nate Stahl, Capital
OAC Coach of the Year - Damon Goodwin - Capital

Second Team
Chad Szalay, Heidelberg
Steve Kyser, Capital
Brandon Schuler, Baldwin-Wallace
Kyle Gehle, Ohio Northern
Ryan Wood, Capital
Tyler Felt, Muskingum

Honorable Mention
Brian Schmidt, Heidelberg
Chris Switzer, Mount Union
Kyle Brown, Baldwin-Wallace
Adam Wells, Otterbein
Adam Rockhold, Marietta
Fred Harrison, Wilmington
Isiah Creasap, Marietta
Kyle Meyer, Ohio Northern
Jake Cannan, Ohio Northern
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 06, 2008, 09:05:30 AM
Is anyone surprise that Sheldon did not get coach of the year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 06, 2008, 11:04:55 AM
I am, a little.  I'm excited Coach Goodwin got it, but given where the Berg was expected to finish and where they did, one would think Coach Sheldon would have been summarily rewarded.  God knows the football COY voters have done that several times...look at your own new football coach (Mike Hallett) last year for proof.

I guess the vote came down to that vs. the team that was expected to be #1 doing so in a relatively dominating fashion.  Going through the first half of the OAC schedule undefeated is a tought task and, in my mind, probably sealed the deal for Damon.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 11:46:40 AM
Quote from: JK on March 06, 2008, 11:04:55 AM
I am, a little.  I'm excited Coach Goodwin got it, but given where the Berg was expected to finish and where they did, one would think Coach Sheldon would have been summarily rewarded.  God knows the football COY voters have done that several times...look at your own new football coach (Mike Hallett) last year for proof.

I guess the vote came down to that vs. the team that was expected to be #1 doing so in a relatively dominating fashion.  Going through the first half of the OAC schedule undefeated is a tought task and, in my mind, probably sealed the deal for Damon.

Not sure what you're trying to say there, JK.  Heidelberg was the coaches' pre-season pick (http://www.oac.org/documents/2007Basketballpoll.pdf) for #2 in the conference, and they finished #2 in the conference.  The voting may, or may not have been completed before Heidelberg won the OAC tournament title.

If you want a team that exceeded expectations, my vote would have been for Coach K.C. Hunt and the Wilmington Quakers, who were picked seventh in the pre-season poll, but finished third and beat both Heidelberg and Capital in the regular season.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 06, 2008, 01:59:29 PM
KB,

You're right.  For some reason I thought the Berg was picked lower in the preseason. 

I would have to agree with you on the Wilma coach.  Good Call.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 01:59:55 PM
Link for live audio and live video of tonight's Bethany vs. Capital game:

http://www.capital.edu/166/

(Edit: Or just link to it or any of the other contests via the front page.  Gotta love D-III hoops!)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: JK on March 06, 2008, 01:59:29 PM
KB,

You're right.  For some reason I thought the Berg was picked lower in the preseason. 

I would have to agree with you on the Wilma coach.  Good Call.

I still won't argue with Goodwin as Coach of the Year, though, as Capital put together an impressive OAC resume.  You can't really argue with success, and there is something to say for being able to meet some pretty high expectations.

Now we'll just see what Cap and 'Berg can accomplish in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Final: Capital 92, Bethany 70

Capital advances to the second round, where it will face Hope College in Holland, Mich.

Good luck to the Crusaders against the Dutchmen!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 07, 2008, 07:17:51 AM
Anyone planning to travel to Danville (Centre College) for the games: I just watched a couple of Lexington channels' weather predictions and it's not good.

The last weatherman pointed to an area which included Danville and said 6-10", "the worst snowfall in a decade."  By noon today they are predicting heavy snow and 32 degrees, with temperatures dropping.  They also reported that roads are not being pre-treated because it's going to rain first and this would just wash it away.

Personally, I'd like to see as many people as possible in Danville (school pride and all) but I thought it fair to warn everybody that Kentucky's not used to this type of weather and the people aren't used to driving in it.  Expect chaos and closed roads.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2008, 06:57:59 PM
It's not looking good for Heidelberg against OWU- 53-36 OWU leads with ~14 minutes to go.

Hard for me to decide who to root for in this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 08, 2008, 08:34:45 PM
Great season by Cap looks like it has come to an end... Hope up 20 with under 2 to play.

Great job, Crusaders.  Look forward to more next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on March 08, 2008, 08:56:49 PM
Hats off, kudos, and whatever other praise to Nate Stahl.  He was heartbroken at the end, but he played his heart out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 10, 2008, 08:58:34 AM
Congrats to Heidelberg season but the question now is will this be the start of something or a one year wonder? The berg is losing alot key players.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 10, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
And Capital has a lot coming back.  My guess is despite losing Kyser and Gunn, they will still be next year's preseason OAC #1.  Stahl (of course) and Wood might challenge each other for POY.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NW Hope Fan on March 16, 2008, 11:20:29 PM
Anyone know if there are MIAA/OAC games scheduled next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:32:43 PM
Feature on the front page of interest to Final Four participants and fans here.

Faces of a champion (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/index.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on March 19, 2008, 04:02:25 PM
Big news out of the OAC today:

http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/info/bankson/banksonretirementrelease/ (http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/info/bankson/banksonretirementrelease/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on March 20, 2008, 12:23:48 AM
Congratulations to Coach Steve Bankson of Baldwin Wallace College on his retirement from coaching and athletic director duties at BW.  Coach Bankson has had an illustrious career and his accomplishments are many. He has had some great teams and great players over the years and his teams always played with passion and heart which is a reflection of their coach. He has always conducted himself with the utmost class and the OAC is losing one of its best.  It has been truly a pleasure to watch his teams perform through the years. Best of luck in the future to Coach Bankson.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 21, 2008, 11:15:04 PM
Had this happened a few years ago, it's likely BW could have gotten Duane Sheldon.  Now I find it highly unlikely that he would leave the Berg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on March 22, 2008, 04:56:52 PM
JK,  now that you have mentioned Duane Sheldon, who else might be a viable candidate for the BW job opening. Does anyone out there know the process that BW will take in looking for their new coach. It has to be a desirable job for many prospective coaches.  Coach Sheldon would certainly be a candidate if he wants it. He is a BW grad and also was an assistant coach there before taking the Berg job.  Would be a good time for him to leave with all the players that are about to leave the Berg this year.  He is from the BW area with a lot of contacts. He has done a nice job with the Student Princes.  Anyone else have thoughts about possibilities??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 22, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
I don't think Duane is leaving the Berg because he is now the AD to go along with being the BB coach.  Plus his middle child has some health issues, and it's hard to leave a doctor and go find a new one in a situation like that.

I don't know who else might be a viable candidate for that job.  They have had some success through the years, so you might think they could promote from within and try to continue what they have built.  No need to blow everything up and start over when things are working.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on March 24, 2008, 04:18:54 PM
Sheldon may leave since he visits that area so I do not think a doctor will have anything to do with the decision. It may be ten times as easier to get recruits to go to bw instead of heidelberg. Which means more successful seasons on a regular basis and not once every four to five years.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on April 16, 2008, 09:11:31 AM
Any word out there on the progress of choosing a coach for the BW Yellow Jackets?  It seems to be taking a long time. How will this affect their recruiting process? Any names being thrown around for the job? Front-runners? ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on April 26, 2008, 05:17:19 PM
Just wanted to announce that the JCU Pep Band got some national press on their trip to Salem for the DIII Championship.  NCAA Champion Magazine did a feature on our group.

http://www.ncaachampionmagazine.org/Championship%20Magazine/ChampionMagazineStory/futurearticletemplate/tabid/78/articleType/ArticleView/articleID/92/Default.aspx

(if that doesn't work, go to www.ncaachampionmagazine.org and search for John Carroll.)

p.s.  Stevens Point fans:  Please excuse the typo that says that JCU won the national titile in 2004.  They certainly didn't get that from my part of the interview...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on May 20, 2008, 12:07:39 PM
Tommorow at 2pm BW will announce their new head basketball coach... Duane Sheldon. It appears the fighting student princes will be a one hit wonder after all. Losing there coach, 3 starters and their top bench player cant bode well for them. You also have to wonder what this does for recruiting? Some of the guys they have will probably leave and with no coach for the time being how many guys can they get?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on May 27, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
I said it all along that Duane would leave. The Berg would have been a one hit wonder regardless if he would have stayed or left. Not to many people can build there own strong program. It is easier to go to one already built than stay and build one yourself. As far as recruiting not much was coming in anyway so either way Heidelberg was going to be hurting. One good season does not mean the program was a success.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on July 02, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
Great pick up by Heidelberg. If he stays there for a long tenure Heidelberg will be in good hands. This might be the best hiring since John Hill coach at the BERG.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopscoach on August 11, 2008, 05:14:28 PM
What does the incoming freshman classes look like for the OAC teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on August 30, 2008, 11:14:06 PM
Kyle Pottkotter is the new men's assistant coach (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/mbasketball.htm) at Otterbein.  Kyle has been an NCAC man since he left high school, graduating from Denison in 1999 and coaching first at Wooster and then, for the past 6 seasons, at his alma mater.  As he has pointed out, he'll become one of the few assistant coaches in the NCAA to work with two 575+ victory head coaches (Steve Moore, Dick Reynolds.)  Please join me in welcoming Kyle to the OAC and wishing him well in Westerville.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on September 08, 2008, 01:25:46 PM
Congrats to Coach Pottkotter....... Now lets hear about the incoming freshmen and can they help OC return to the top of the ever strong OAC.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on September 20, 2008, 07:55:11 PM
Coaching carousel:
Congratulations and best wishes to Anthony, Chad, and Scott on their new assignments.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopscoach on November 11, 2008, 09:51:03 PM
Pre-season coaches poll:
1. Capital (9) 81
2. Ohio Northern (1) 71
3. Wilmington 57
4. John Carroll 54
5. Muskingum 50
6. Baldwin-Wallace 44
7. Heidelberg 28
8. Mount Union 27
9. Otterbein 23
10. Marietta 15
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on November 25, 2008, 10:52:49 PM
 
   Just took a look at the preseason poll...I agree with Cap being the odds on pre season favorite,, but I can't see a dime's worth of difference between 2 through 6. Bet we have another wild  season of "can't believe they lost that one" and "they looked so good Wednesday night what the heck happened Saturday.....Can't wait for another entertainig year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 04, 2008, 09:05:59 PM
Caught the ONU/WITTENBERG contest on Wednesday....The Tigers were outplayed at both ends of the court. Northern played sticky defense and their offense was clicking most of the night. The bears got 16 points apiece from Kyle Meyer, Sam Bastian and Ezra Bradshaw with Curtis Brown knocking down 18. Don't know much about the Tigers, but those guys shot the eyes out of the basket from the charity stripe. Must have been  in the 90 percent vicinity,but other than that, they appeared out of sync the entire game and never really got anything going at either end of the court. If they play the rest of the season the way they played last night it is going to be a long year for the Tigers. They look like a .500 team at best. Maybe a rebuilding year? They do appear to have several big men on the team as Freshman. Time will tell....So far ONU is playing .. well together, something they had difficulty doing last year. Lookout Cap, I think the Bears are going to be a force to be dealt with this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 05, 2008, 12:04:31 PM
onefan,

Your assessment of Witt seems to be pretty accurate.  Witt is very young this year and definitely appears to be headed towards what would be an uncharacteristic rebuilding year.  Of the 14 players listed on Witt's roster, there is only 1 senior and 2 juniors.  Witt has also had to deal with the loss of 2 seniors for the season to injuries including Greg Hill who is by far Witt's best returning player.  It will be interesting to see how quickly the underclassmen for Witt can develop.  If they don't start to get things together, I would agree with you that Witt will struggle to finish above .500 this year.

Wooster is in a similar situation relying heavily on younger players to contribute early in the season and they have had to open the season without their best returning player in Brandon Johnson.  The difference for Wooster is, Johnson is set to return for Wooster's annual holiday tournament at the end of this month which should give the Scots quite a boost as they gear up for conference play.

Overall, the GL Region as a whole seems to be a bit down.  Cap and CMU are the only teams from the region in this week's d3hoops top 25.  I can't remember a time when so few teams from this region were ranked.  Should be a fun season to see which teams emerge out of the GL Region, if any, as possible  contenders to make it to Salem...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxamillion3030 on December 10, 2008, 08:19:00 PM
Watch out for Ohio Northern. They have all of the tools to hang with Capital- Interior presence, great perimeter defense and probably the best overall sophomore in the league in Sam Bastian. The kid can play- a wing or post player with the mind of a point or shooting guard. What a talent!Can play inside or out and can guard anybody on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 12, 2008, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: hoopscoach on November 11, 2008, 09:51:03 PM
Pre-season coaches poll:
1. Capital (9) 81
3. Wilmington 57

Well these two just met for their first regular season meeting and the coaches poll almost predicted the margin of victory...for the Quakers.

82-53 Wilmington over Capital, handing the Crusaders their first loss of the year, and giving the Quakers their first conference win after falling to 'Berg in OT earlier in the week.  From the box score (http://www2.wilmington.edu/campusuite/stats/results-081211-grpID-31-calID-2672.HTM) it looks like Wilmington ran away with this one thanks to great shooting (54% for the game) and Capital never could find the range, shooting a nearly identical 32% in each half.

Wilmington coach KC Hunt called it a total team effort.  Read the recap (http://www2.wilmington.edu/mens-basketball/news.cfm?news_id=10143&archive=no) here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 14, 2008, 03:53:20 PM
 Ohio Northern knocked off Baldwin Wallace on Saturday afternoon to up it's OAC record to 2-0. They had four players in double figures and are playing good heads up basketball. They didn't shoot the ball all that well, but they  in control at both ends of the court. This team is interesting to watch because they really don't have a marquis player, but have seven to eight very good bastketball players that work  well and very unselfishly together. Their guards have the ability to penetrate and score or dish off to an open teammate. They have  good size inside and experience. In addition, due to their depth, frequent substitutions keeps everyone fresh and so far has kept them out of foul trouble. This is going to be a team to watch and enjoy.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 21, 2008, 02:09:15 PM
Four games in to the OAC schedule I think the team to watch is Ohio Northern. They seem to have slipped in under the radar nationally, but they have a very nice team. Well balanced....two big men underneath in Cannon and Meyer that are getting it done at both ends of the court....a good ball handling penetrating guard in Bradshaw along with Bastian and Brown. In addition they have a deep bench which they have not had in recent years.They typically have four to five players in double figures and are playing their normal good "D".  Can't speak to Cap's chances  but the Wilmington loss has to make you wonder about just how strong they really are. I expect to see the Bears appear in the polls in the very near future.... This team has the opportunity to go far this year if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 28, 2008, 08:46:25 PM
This CCIW fan appreciates the Otterbein campus station, WOBN, broadcasting the championship game of the Smokey Ballenger Classic, even though the host school isn't playing in the game.  Nice to listen to a game on a Sunday night with not much else going on.

Also, nice job by the broadcasters.  It's rare (and refreshing) to hear a completely neutral broadcast at the D3 level.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on December 29, 2008, 11:42:21 AM
ONU continues to quietly pile up the W's winning in San Diego on Sunday night by ten over Linfield 67-57. I am telling ya, these guys are good, and have yet to appear on the D3 Hoops poll. In my opinion, this team is the best ONU has had  since Coach Coleman took the reins from Joe Campoli. Barring injuries, they will be going places....As an aside, is anybody visiting OAC sight???? It is eerily quiet this year....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 29, 2008, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: onefan on December 29, 2008, 11:42:21 AM
As an aside, is anybody visiting OAC sight???? It is eerily quiet this year....
As opposed to other years?  ;)

This room has always been comparatively quiet and I've always been surprised there aren't more OAC supporters in here.  I guess most OAC fans don't realize that there are other sports in the OAC other than just football...  :P

Thanks onefan for you ONU updates.  At least one OAC team has some representation.  JCU had Toph, but he's been MIA for quite some time.  And I think kiltedbryan (a Wooster supporter) gives more info on the C'bus area teams than any actual supporters of said C'bus teams. 

Really, all you have to do is just go to the OAC page in Post Patterns and that will tell you all you need to know about where other sports outside of football fall in the hearts of most OAC supporters...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 29, 2008, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 29, 2008, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: onefan on December 29, 2008, 11:42:21 AM
As an aside, is anybody visiting OAC sight???? It is eerily quiet this year....
As opposed to other years?  ;)

This room has always been comparatively quiet and I've always been surprised there aren't more OAC supporters in here.  I guess most OAC fans don't realize that there are other sports in the OAC other than just football...  :P

Thanks onefan for you ONU updates.  At least one OAC team has some representation.  JCU had Toph, but he's been MIA for quite some time.  And I think kiltedbryan (a Wooster supporter) gives more info on the C'bus area teams than any actual supporters of said C'bus teams. 

Really, all you have to do is just go to the OAC page in Post Patterns and that will tell you all you need to know about where other sports outside of football fall in the hearts of most OAC supporters...

Mount Union football may cast a long shadow, but it doesn't explain why nobody posts in this room.

The perennial silence here is truly bizarre. Why? Because the OAC has a longstanding tradition as a power conference in D3 men's basketball. It's one of only two leagues, for instance, that can claim D3 championships won by teams from three different league members (although one of the victorious members, Wittenberg, subsequently left the OAC), the WIAC being the other one. The OAC's tourney representatives in March are respected by everyone as a matter of course, whether the team or teams really deserve it or not, because the OAC not only has a reputation for playing basketball at a high level, it has an even greater reputation for overall league balance.

This is really a terrific D3 men's basketball league, and the fact that it has next to no participation by its fans in this room (or on the men's basketball side of this site in general) just baffles me.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 29, 2008, 03:53:34 PM
It all went downhill in here when BustaRyhmes graduated.

If you remember that guy, pat yourself on the back, you've been here awhile. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on December 29, 2008, 03:55:55 PM
Might have something to do with most NAC schools having d3hoops.com links and most OAC schools not having links. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 30, 2008, 11:09:39 AM
I was reading the Rep when I was home over the holidays and I have to say in all honesty that when I saw MUC's record (8-1 at that point) I immediately jumped online because I thought "that has to be a misprint."  Has anyone seen them play?  From what I could piece together from stats, roster, etc. it looks like they play a lot of kids under 6'4".  Just curious if anyone had seen them this year.

   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 30, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 29, 2008, 02:44:00 PM
And I think kiltedbryan (a Wooster supporter) gives more info on the C'bus area teams than any actual supporters of said C'bus teams. 


And even I can barely fulfill this "duty" anymore because I don't live in Ohio any more, so I haven't been able to see Capital or Otterbein this year (and probably won't have a chance).  It's really too bad, because there's a lot of quality basketball played in this league.  I wish we had more input all around.  Even the NCAC room seems quiet this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 30, 2008, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on December 30, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
I wish we had more input all around.  Even the NCAC room seems quiet this year...
I guess that's what a 3-6 Wittenberg and a 6-4 Wooster will do for ya...  :-\

Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 30, 2008, 11:09:39 AM
I was reading the Rep when I was home over the holidays and I have to say in all honesty that when I saw MUC's record (8-1 at that point) I immediately jumped online because I thought "that has to be a misprint."  Has anyone seen them play?  From what I could piece together from stats, roster, etc. it looks like they play a lot of kids under 6'4".  Just curious if anyone had seen them this year.

   
Drac,

I'm going to be at the MUC/Wooster game tonight.  I really don't know how to gauge MUC at this point of the season.  I didn't catch any of their game last night, but they did show some grit in fighting back to win that game.  They were down 6 or 8 with just eight minutes remaining and fought back for the W. 

But, looking at their schedule, they haven't really posted any quality wins.  In most years, wins over B-W and Ott would be considered quality wins but both programs are decidedly  down this year. 

I think tonight's game with Wooster should really help define how just how good MUC really is.  Don't let Wooster's 6-4 record fool you into thinking they are down.  Two of their losses are single digit losses to #1 ranked UW-Platteville and at nationally ranked Carnegie Mellon as well as another loss which was respectable showing at Hawaii-Hilo which is an NCAA Div. II scholarship program.  If MUC were to win tonight at Wooster, I think they would finally have the quality win they've been missing and should start to garner some national attention...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 30, 2008, 01:26:14 PM
I agree regarding MUC's schedule thus far.  Tonight will be a good barometer to see where they are.  And following Wooster up with JCU and Cap will definitely bring the picture into focus.  I look forward to hearing your thoughts after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 31, 2008, 03:30:07 PM
Wooster took care of MUC last night 80-61.  It looks like it was a 4 point game with around 5 min left, but the Scots did what good teams do and closed it out strong.  I am interested to hear what ScotsFan thought, but I guess I would be lying if I said I was surprised by the outcome.  Honestly I was a little surprised it was that close that late in the game, but my expectations are based on history rather than the current rosters. 

Everyone have a safe and enjoyable new year.       
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 31, 2008, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 31, 2008, 03:30:07 PM
Wooster took care of MUC last night 80-61.  It looks like it was a 4 point game with around 5 min left, but the Scots did what good teams do and closed it out strong.  I am interested to hear what ScotsFan thought, but I guess I would be lying if I said I was surprised by the outcome.  Honestly I was a little surprised it was that close that late in the game, but my expectations are based on history rather than the current rosters. 

Everyone have a safe and enjoyable new year.       
I think this was clearly one of MUC's best teams in recent memory.  They definitely have some good shooters and I think they could be a factor in the OAC race.  I really thought Pellerite was a nice player although he lost his cool at the end of the game and he seemed to be in denial after every call that went against him which was quite annoying.  MUC's other two starting guards had nice games as well and both have nice touches with their mid-range jumpers.  And I really didn't get to see what Switzer is truly capable up as Wooster's Ian Franks put the clamps down on him defensively which I felt was a big key to Wooster's win.

As far as last night's game goes, I along with wooscotsfan wrote up our thoughts on the game over on the NCAC page.  I really think the difference of the game came from the play of Wooster's perimeter defense and namely Franks holding Switzer to just 6 points and only one trey.  I had a feeling that Wooster's defense would cause MUC problems but I really didn't see Wooster holding MUC to just 16% from beyond the arc.

Wooster had their chances to blow the game open, but they just couldn't put MUC away.  They built a lead of 12 points in the first half and then proceeded to not score for over 5 minutes to let MUC cut the lead to 2 before settling on a 4 point halftime lead. 

In the 2nd half, Wooster just wore MUC down with their depth more than anything IMO.  It was nice to see Wooster finally finish a game strong down the stretch.  Earlier in the year, they blew an 11 point lead in the final five minutes to Albion before winning in OT.  And the other night, they were up 20 on Thiel and let them cut the lead down to 13 by missing 3 consecutive front ends of one & ones.  Last night, Wooster only had one miss from the line thanks in large part to Franks' 13-13 performance from the charity stripe.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2009, 07:55:13 PM
ScotsFan, thanks for pointing me to the write ups.  You (and wooscotsfan) did I good job.  Much appreciated.

ONU continues to cruise as they drummed the Bein 82-61 over the weekend.  ONU has a big week hosting Wilm Wed and going to Cap on Sat.  OC is now 1-4 in the conference.  Not sure what's going on there, but my planned trip to Westerville this week to watch BW/Ott may be tabled given their combined 1 conference win to date.  Ouch.  Maybe I'll go to Bexley Sat instead.

MUC dropped one in OT at JCU.  I saw former Iggy QB Rudy Kirbus dropped in 23 for the Streaks. 

Wilmington beat Musky to stay in 2nd.  Musky must to tough because they're 2-3, but their 3 losses have been to Cap, Wilm and JCU by a total of 18 points.  Definitely no pushovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 05, 2009, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2009, 07:55:13 PM
OC is now 1-4 in the conference.  Not sure what's going on there, but my planned trip to Westerville this week to watch BW/Ott may be tabled given their combined 1 conference win to date.  Ouch.  Maybe I'll go to Bexley Sat instead.

Definitely go to Bexley!  Then you can give us a heads up on both Cap and ONU!  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 06, 2009, 09:43:08 AM
I'm planning on it.  I've never seen a game at the Capital Center, so I wanted to do that at some point anyway. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 07, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 06, 2009, 09:43:08 AM
I'm planning on it.  I've never seen a game at the Capital Center, so I wanted to do that at some point anyway. 

I can recommend the Capital Center to you.  It's a nice facility, though in my experience never quite as full as you'd hope it'd be, given the recent quality of the Crusaders.  You'll definitely be seeing the better game by watching ONU-CAP and skipping BW-OC, both of whom are probably exactly as good as their records indicate.  Traditionally strong programs, but not in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 08, 2009, 07:31:42 PM
MUC has really fallen on hard times of late!  Last night they dropped their 3rd straight after winning 9 out of their first 10 games.  And that number will, in all liklihood run to at least 4 as the Purple Raiders have to travel to Wilmington on Saturday.  And all the Quakers have done is quietly postitioned themselves in a tie with Cap and ONU atop the OAC after knocking off the Polar Bears in Ada last night.

One question I have is how did Wilmington lose to Heide???  ???  The Quakers would be alone in first place if it wasn't for that loss...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 10, 2009, 12:50:45 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 08, 2009, 07:31:42 PM
MUC has really fallen on hard times of late!  Last night they dropped their 3rd straight after winning 9 out of their first 10 games.  And that number will, in all liklihood run to at least 4 as the Purple Raiders have to travel to Wilmington on Saturday.  And all the Quakers have done is quietly postitioned themselves in a tie with Cap and ONU atop the OAC after knocking off the Polar Bears in Ada last night.

One question I have is how did Wilmington lose to Heide???  ???  The Quakers would be alone in first place if it wasn't for that loss...

Hard times? Or just better opponents?  The best teams the played in that 9-1 start were probably Hiram, Muskingum (loss) and Kean.  Every team they've played since then has been better (Wooster, JCU and Capital).

I watched MUC play both games at the Mose Hole Tourney at Wooster and was unimpressed the first night (too disorganized, too many turnovers) and more impressed the second night.  But overall I came away feeling that they're middle of the road in the OAC, and their early schedule through the league bears this out, with wins against (this year's) weak B-W, Ott and H-Berg squads and losses to Musky, JCU and Cap, who are all probably middle to top in this league this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 10, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 10, 2009, 12:50:45 AM
Hard times? Or just better opponents?  The best teams the played in that 9-1 start were probably Hiram, Muskingum (loss) and Kean.  Every team they've played since then has been better (Wooster, JCU and Capital).

I watched MUC play both games at the Mose Hole Tourney at Wooster and was unimpressed the first night (too disorganized, too many turnovers) and more impressed the second night.  But overall I came away feeling that they're middle of the road in the OAC, and their early schedule through the league bears this out, with wins against (this year's) weak B-W, Ott and H-Berg squads and losses to Musky, JCU and Cap, who are all probably middle to top in this league this year.
Yeah.  I agree with your assessment of MUC overall.  I guess I was just trying to be nice.   ;)

I touched on the weakness of MUC's schedule before they played Wooster noting that they really didn't have a win over a quality opponent over the span of their 9-1 start.  I wasn't sold on them being a challenger for the OAC before their game with Wooster and seeing their subsequent losses to Cap and JCU, it sort of confirms my thoughts that MUC wasn't really a serious challenger to win the OAC. 

Although, with some of the shooters they have, they are certainly more than capable of knocking off any of the upper tier teams from the OAC if they get hot.  Overall, though, I don't see them finishing any higher than 4th
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: oacplayer on January 12, 2009, 09:14:55 PM
Wilmington has first place in the oac because of their victory against capital at home and their 6-1 start. Wilmington has the deepest roster if u look at the minutes played by starters. I believe this really gives them a advantage in a tough long season. The problem with wilmington is that they suffer from sluggish starts and lack the killer instinct at time. Capital is dying for them to come back to columbus to make up for the beating the quakers gave them in Wilmington. Oac has great coaches who do a good job preparing for rematches and it is very tough to beat good teams twice with that said the standings will change alot.

I still think wilmington has the best team and their uptempo style of play has caused a lot of trouble thus far but we will see if they have what it takes to continue their edge

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2009, 02:50:15 PM
Oh how my outlook has changed...

My Raiders were off to a solid start and looked to be capable of playing with everyone in the OAC.  After recent losses to Cap and Wilm I still wasn't totally discouraged given those teams quality this year.  But losing to Etta at home?  And doing so 3 days before hitting the road to Ada today?  Basically I looked at the remaining schedule and I think .500 would be a good finish for them at this point.  So basically, the same as every other year.  The good news is I'm only a couple months away from talking myself into the baseball team being better this year.  I love early season optimism.         
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2009, 03:02:48 PM
At the half...JCU 45, Wilm 25.  Looks like the Quakers have dug themselves quite a hole.

p.s. That Sidearm Stats thing that JCU uses is cool.  Better than the Presto thing some of the OAC schools use. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: oacplayer on January 17, 2009, 05:45:22 PM
JCU destroyed Wilmington today. Wilmington really miss the presents of their all conference player Brandon Rogers. They game was over when it started JCU jump out to a 17-0 run to win the game and wilmington never threatended to comeback. I guess its back to the drawing board for Wilmington. JCU is really playing really good ball right now
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 18, 2009, 01:24:36 PM
Yeah, you fall down 17-0 and you're going to have trouble beating anyone, let alone a good squad like JCU.

Really no upsets in the OAC yesterday in my mind.  I was surprised by the score of the JCU/Wilm game, but other than that the only one I found mildly surprising was Etta beating BW.  Of course, that's probably fueled by me thinking by default that BW is decent (which apparently they aren't this year). 

Wow, is Bein bad this year.  What's going on there?  Have they had injuries?  Are they just young?  No talent?  Every time I look at the OAC standings I can't help but shake my head at that.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 19, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
Dr. A,

In answer to your question regarding Otterbein, the answer is yes they are relatively young, and yes they are not very talented. Looks like a tough couple of years lie ahead for the Cardinals. Cap keeps rolling along, but i still can't get by the buttwhipping they took at the hands of Wilmington. I realize Wilmington had one of those  hot nights of shooting, but where was the Cap defense? I think they are of course one of the top two or three teams in the OAC, but I think their number 8 ranking nationally is a bit charitable. Time will tell. As to the OAC race, Wilmington took a major hit with Rogers out for what I have heard is for the season. The race would appear to be between Cap, John Carroll and ONU. No bets on who comes out on top, any of the three could beat the other on any given day in my opinion. Cap beat ONU in overtime and Northern slipped by John Carroll at home. John Carroll has seemed to pick up the pace lately and the John Carroll/ Cap match up will be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2009, 06:41:18 PM
Thanks for the OC info onefan.  I guess I'm living in the past, but I just always expect the Cards to be tough.  Hopefully they get it back on track. 

The only time I saw Cap was the game at BW on STO a few weeks ago.  I believe it went to OT and to be honest I wasn't overly impressed by Cap.  Obviously that's only one game and they did still win on the road, so I'm not saying they're not a top OAC team or anything.  I guess I was just expecting more given what I had heard.

If Rogers is out for the season that is a huge blow to the Quakers.  He's a very nice player.  Hopefully the depth that oacplayer mentioned allows them to still make a run in the end.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 22, 2009, 12:57:03 AM
I've become more of a lurker this season as Heidelberg has been struggling through the first time through the OAC. However, I have to comment on a very interesting series of events that happened tonite in Berea during the BW and Berg game. As we all know Duane Sheldon left Tiffin to return to his alma mater at BW this summer and this was the first meeting between the two schools. At around the 13min mark of the second half with BW ahead by 11 Heidelberg's new head coach, Anthony Gholson, was given his 1st and 2nd technical foul in 1 minutes span and ejected from the game. At that point Sheldon's former player and only assistant remaining from last seasons staff, Ron Higgins, took over. Heidelberg managed to comeback from the deficit and send the game into overtime where they eventaully won despite their top two guards and their coach "fouling out". I thought this was an interesting story or maybe I'm just trying to find a positive in a rough season. Either way congrats to the Berg' on a great win tonite!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 23, 2009, 09:03:43 PM
Gotta know what brought on the Gholson double T's...Rare in the OAC and having watched Tony as an assistant at ONU and observing his demeanor over the years, I would like to know what you think caused the double T's and ejection....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 24, 2009, 01:47:23 AM
As you may or may not know the stands at BW are very far away from the floor so there was no way to hear what he was saying. Especially from where I was sitting. However from my observation it seemed as if the first one was accessed rather quickly and without warning. The second one may have been deserved. Anthony continualy hounded the officials and ignored the pleas of his assistants who were trying to restrain him. At one point the ball rolled over to him and he threw it toward an official but in a manner that it was impossible for him to catch and the ball rolled away. Shortly after that a magic word was said and that was that. I forgot to mention that Heidelberg is the only school in the OAC with no Full Time assistants. It was two GA's (Ron and Brian Alge who i believe played at Capital a few years ago) and a volunteer assistant leading the Berg in the final 13 mins and overtime!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 24, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Well, the big news so far today is that Etta knocked off ONU in Ada 69-67.  The Pios broke a 67 all tie w/ 22 seconds left and held on.  It was 65-64 w/ 5:30 left, so it sounds like neither team was executing well down the stretch.  Other than that everything else went pretty much as expected:

Cap and JCU cruised to easy wins over BW and Bein, respectively.

And the Fightin' Fish went up to Alliance and beat MUC 78-62.  I will now revise my previous post from saying a .500 season would be a good finish to now saying that a .500 season will be a minor miracle.  They have some winnable games left, but at 3-7 it's going to be next to impossible.

No word on Wilm/Berg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on January 24, 2009, 07:56:24 PM
B23...Thanks for the word on Tony G's ousting at BW. It is appreciated.....Took in the ONU/Marietta game today. Got to hand it to the Pioneers,they  shut down much of ONU"s guard penetration and when the Bears managed to get inside they had numerous shots swatted away or just outright blocked. The pioneers hit the boards hard and outrebounded ONU significantly in the first half. Overall the offensive and defensive rebounds were abot even but Northern is usually on top in that category due to their size advantage, but not today. This is a real setback for the Bears with Cap cruising and John Carroll and Wilmington taking care of business. Three losses is probably not going to get a sniff of the regular season title. Oh well, ther's always the OAC tournament.....And there 'sstill alot of basketball left to watch....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 28, 2009, 10:12:43 AM
I don't expect that many, if any, of tonight's scheduled games will take place.  So far the JCU/Muskingum games (men at New Concord, women at University Hts.) have been postponed until tomorrow.  Stay tuned to OAC.org (http://www.oac.org/) for more updates.

UPDATE:
All men's and women's games scheduled for tonight have been postponed until Thursday, same bat-time, same bat-channel. (http://www.oac.org/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on January 29, 2009, 01:13:16 PM
That's funny a head coach out coached by a grad student. BW might be in a long tenure with Sheldon there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 29, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
Capital 74 Wilmington 71

with JCU's win tonight, it sets up a 1st vs 2nd showdown in the OAC at John Carroll Saturday.  HUGE game for JCU and at large NCAA bid chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OAC Fan on February 01, 2009, 12:47:22 AM
Watched JCU-Capital tonight on STO....looks like Cap could have used Quintin Mitchell off the bench. His energy usually helps them out. JCU laid the press on them and caused a lot of turnovers. Didnt look like the normal Cap today in the 2nd half. BTW, #23 on JCU is a punk. Several times during the game you can see him throw his shoulder/bump into guys just walking around floor. And he has yet to commit a foul this season (in his mind). I think JCU has a chance to win the league this year based on games left and where they play them.

Privacy: I am not sure how much the grad coach had to do with the BW-Berg outcome. Looking at the running score BW controlled that game until about 2 minutes to go. Golhston was tossed at about the 13 minute mark. 11 minute diff from when he was thrown out and when they took the lead. Given the fact that Sheldon turned the Berg around I am sure he will do fine at BW if you give it some time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BogeyMan on February 01, 2009, 04:41:19 PM
Does anyone know who the officials were in the Berg - BW game?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 01, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
John Carroll 83 Capital 75

This puts the top in reach of the OAC regular season title

Capital 10-2
John Carroll 10-2
Ohio Northern 9-3
Wilmington 9-3

Capital only has 1 more game vs one of those 4 remaining.......at Ohio Northern in two weeks.

John Carroll has 2 more games,   they host Ohio Northern next Saturday and finish the year at Wilmington.

Wilmington and Ohio Northern have those game plus face each other Feb 11.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 01, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on February 01, 2009, 04:41:19 PM
Does anyone know who the officials were in the Berg - BW game?

http://www.bw.edu/athletics/mbb/sched/08game16.htm

they're in the boxscore.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on February 02, 2009, 03:06:46 PM
Well, someone asked about the problems at Otterbein...First of all, no seniors. Second of all, NO DEFENSE. A mediocre team, Muskingum hit them for 47 second half points recently. Coach Reynolds cannot find a combination that seems to click. He has been starting 3 freshmen and 2 juniors including a 6'3 freshman post player. Their 2 biggest players(6'6 soph and 6'7 fresh) get little playing time. The OAC leading scorer and others have missed games due to discipline.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OAC Fan on February 02, 2009, 03:44:49 PM
What have those 2 players done to get disciplined so many times?

Big game for the #8 seed on Wednesday night (not really with 3 weeks to go).



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 02, 2009, 05:18:24 PM
Is anybody surprised by JCU's success this season or Capital's #5 national ranking?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 04, 2009, 10:51:09 PM
No surprises tonight in the OAC. Just getting back from the Berg vs B-W game where B-W loses another close game. They've had 4 OT games and it looked like tonight would be their 5th. Looks like the YellowJackets will be joining Otterbein and won't be making the OAC tournament. Hard to believe - they have better players than that. OAC Fan - I'm not sure I agree with your assesment of Coach Sheldon. I hardly think 1 winning season in 6 is building a winning program, and had he stayed, he wouldn't be doing any better than what Coach Gholson is doing. 1 winning season in 7 is not what I call building a winning program. I know Heidelberg isnt one of the better jobs in the OAC - and Coach Sheldon won the conference tournament last year - but if you look back to the late 80's and early 90's you'll see that Coach Hill in fact built a winning program at the Berg. He had 6 winning season between 1988 and 1995 and had the Berg in the top half of the OAC. Coach Sheldon finished in the top half only once. Obviously it shouldn't take him as long to get it going at BW - but after seeing tonight's game and based on BW's struggles this year - I wouldn't be calling Coach Sheldon a program builder. I'm not hating on Coach Sheldon, I'm sure he'll have a solid career at BW - but he has a ways to go before he enters Coach Hill or Coach Bankson's success levels. On another note - it appears JCU and Capital will be the teams to represent the OAC this year come NCAA tourny time. ONU seems to be playing uninspired ball. BTW - nice article on Coach Moran in the Cleveland Plain Dealer today.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2009, 11:15:04 PM
Welcome to the board -- bring friends!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2009, 05:57:51 PM
Just a reminder that John Carroll coach Mike Moran will be one of our guests on Hoopsville tonight. The show airs from 6-8 ET and he will be in the first hour.

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: privacy on February 06, 2009, 10:48:38 AM
I also agree. Sheldon has a long time before becoming a elite coach. One successful year in six year tenure is not success. Let's just hope time does not run out on him at BW. I don't know if a school is willing to wait that long just to have one good year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 07, 2009, 05:13:43 PM
Muskingum 72 Capital 60

....thats a major upset in the OAC

combined with JCU's win over Ohio Northern..........JCU is now the OAC leader by 1 game.

......and Baldwin-Wallace beats Wilmington, so the OAC is starting to look like the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 08, 2009, 10:54:20 PM
Good to see Muskingum and BW win. I have been disappointed by both these teams this year, and very surprised by JCU's success. I have thought all along they (BW and Muskingum) had the talent to have solid winning seasons. I thought Cap and ONU would battle for 1-2, while BW, muskie, wilm, and JCU would battle for 3-6, followed by Mt. and Marietta. Kinda figured the Berg and Ott. would struggle. At the half way point my predictions were way off, but with 4 to go I might be looking more nostradomus than it appears. Still way off on JCU's 1st place (had them at 6th) and BW's 9th place (3rd place) - but there is a lot of bball left to be played. (FYI - I had Muskie 4thand Wilmington 5). Saw the ONU - JCU game. It amazes me what they are doing with such a small line up and so many inexperienced players. ONU is underachieving IMO. They could be a very dangerous tournament team!! Anybody have thoughts on ALL-Conference teams yet? How about your pre-season predictions? (now that I've shared mine) Best DIII in Ohio? Could it really be JCU - if so, watch out 09-10, cause the streaks don't lose much if anything!!

PS Privacy - I can't imagine Sheldon would be in any trouble with job security. My guess is he's at BW for the next 25 years win or not. It's DIII, he just started, and he's an alum. I dont think BW would run an alum off. They know he has big shoes to fill - Bankson was a class act that went out on top having his best 4 year run in school history with the Davis Brothers, and the likes of Schuler, Sekerak and Aufmuth. With another sizable post option - BW might have won the whole thing thing a few years back when they lost to Wittenberg, who went on to lose in the National title game in the last minute. I was at that game and BW was only mismatched in not having the post size and depth the Witt. had.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 08, 2009, 11:40:10 PM
Your right SAC.... the OAC is back to it's old ways. I just realized Otterbein beat my ol college on saturday night. I guess it doesn't surprise me! When was the last time we were any good? I'll answer that - when we had Shipp and Richards. Of course it doesn't help when kids transfer out or quit the team year after year. Seriously, isn't it time Mt. Union do something to become competitive in the OAC! Perhaps Kehres could share some of his football $$ with Lil Napoleon, or better yet maybe he could coach the team! We could have 80 guys out for bball instead of just 40!
On another note.... I guess some love should be directed toward the Pioneers! They're doing what hasn't been done at Marietta in some time - winning and not finishing last in the OAC! Oh BTW - they're led by a kid from Malvern and Cleveland! HMMM!?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on February 09, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
Looks like the 8th and final spot for the OAC tourney could be up for grabs this week.....OC is trailing but is coming off a win over the Mount and has BW and the Berg this week. BW must beat OC and hope OC beats Berg. No clue about tie breakers. OC played well against Mount Union after a crushing defeat(80-68) earlier in the season. OC switched to a freshman point guard(now starting 3 freshmen and 2 juniors). Now, if the 2 big kids would just play more to defend the post. The future looks decent, no seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 10, 2009, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 08, 2009, 10:54:20 PM
Best DIII in Ohio? Could it really be JCU - if so, watch out 09-10, cause the streaks don't lose much if anything!!
Thanks for joining in on the fun albert!  It's nice to see some fresh faces in here on the OAC board.  And actual OAC posters as well!  ;)

With regards to JCU, they have seemed to come out of nowhere!  I mean, you always expect Moran to put a good squad on the floor.  But, I thought this was Cap's season with ONU being the ones to give the Crusaders a challenge.  Moran has done a heck of a job up there in the Heights!

And speaking of young, we touched on this briefly on the NCAC board about how young teams are over there.  Of the top 5 teams in the NCAC, Wooster, Witt and Hiram all have everyone coming back but one (technically, Hiram has two because a jr. is graduating early).  And over 80% of Wooster's scoring this season is coming from freshmen and sophomores!

It is amazing the infusion of young players all over the GL Region this season!  Maybe that is why we are only seeing Cap and JCU as the lone reps in the top 25 so far this season.  But I have a feeling that we will see a few more than that next season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 10, 2009, 11:02:31 AM
Albert,

You inquired as to whether anyone was surprised by John Carroll's success or Cap's ranking.....I say hell yes to both!!
I never expected JC to be this deep into  the season with only two OAC losses. ONU handled them with little trouble at home but got handled themselves at John Carroll....I still believe Cap is overachieving. I don,t think they are a top ten team and I will be very surprised if they manage to win the OAC tournament...We shall see...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 12, 2009, 12:17:21 PM
Wasn't able to catch any games last night., but I see Muskingum and BW continue to disappoint. MT. may not make tournament with their plunge - I dont expect them to win again as I look at their schedule. Otterbein not out of race with their win in Bera, just yet, - BIG game vs the Berg Saturday. I'm as surprised by JCU's 13 game winning "BlueStreak" as I am by BW's dismal season. Ive seen everybody at least once and I liked BW's team. They played Capital tough early and should have won. They just dont seem able to win close ball games. As the season winds down - I have my All-Conference picks, POY and COY. COY easy M&M (Mike Moran). POY Mr. Haynes - undersized, under appreciated at season's start. Not sure how OAC does All-Conference so I'm picking the Top 20. In Team order: JCU -Kirbus, Haynes, Zajac. Capital: Wodd, Stahl, Mitchell, ONU: Meyer, Bastian, Cannan, Brown. Wilmington: Gaines and Rogers ( Ledford 1st gut left out). Marietta: Halter. Muskingum: Felt and Scott. MT. Switzer and Pellerite. Heidelberg: Kinn. BW: Bene. Otterbein: Pollack. Hope this helps stir up some conversation as we enter the post-season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 13, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
I've been enjoying watching JCU this year, especially seeing the emergence of the second line.  With 4 freshmen and a sophomore getting all that playing time, it bodes well for the future.  The first line doesn't have any seniors either.  Both lines flat out hustle, all game.  They've bought into Moran's system and it's paying some dividends.

The second line is definately undersized which could be a problem once the regular season's over, but in Moran's system, it functions almost like a "change of pace running back."  Maybe their versatility will pay off.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 14, 2009, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 08, 2009, 11:40:10 PMI just realized Otterbein beat my ol college on saturday night. I guess it doesn't surprise me! When was the last time we were any good? I'll answer that - when we had Shipp and Richards. Of course it doesn't help when kids transfer out or quit the team year after year. Seriously, isn't it time Mt. Union do something to become competitive in the OAC!

I've been asking this for years.  I was afraid that little 3 year stretch in the early 00's starting w/ the younger Richards where they won 18 each yr would buy him a few more years and it has.  I ask the same thing over on the baseball board and that is how many years being a .500 program is enough?  The coaches have been there well over a decade each and their winning % is still hovering just over .500.  I could even take being .500 overall if it's because you're really down a couple years playing young guys and then make a run at an OAC title their Jr/Sr years.  But that's not what's happening.  I don't think MUC has finished higher than 3rd in the OAC since the Shipp/Richards team.  That was the mid 90's!!!  Just frustrates me.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OAC Fan on February 14, 2009, 11:46:10 PM
Dr. Acula:

Good point on Mount Basketball...How about the game on STO today vs. Wilmington. They have a player on the bench in street clothes wearing a backwards Cincinnati Reds hat. On the bench and in the huddle! Are you kidding me!? Are the inmates running the prison? Another kid was wearing jeans, and they were halfway up his ass.  Have some class and teach these kids how the real world works. Classy.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2009, 02:20:57 PM
I saw that OAC Fan.  Not sure in what capacity they were associated with the team.  If they're players, then at least put on your warm ups.  If not, then put on a shirt and tie.  If you're a recruit, then what are you doing in the huddle?  Honestly I didn't give it a second thought because I was too busy watching all the wheels falling off the Raiders' wagon.  I watched the entire game and Joe Tait was dead on when he said both coaches were concerned about their defense.  They should be!  And I'm not picking on one squad more than the other.  Neither one could get a stop in the half court when they needed it.  It just stood out more from MUC because 1) I'm a MUC guy 2) They had the lead.  Between the Raiders inability to get any type of stop on D and their inconsistent handling of the Quakers full court pressure down the stretch Coach Hood had to be upset with the final 6 minutes.  That was just a tough loss to swallow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
I feel like I need to post something positive since I was a little bitter about the lack of D in that last post.  So I'll give you my Player of the Game for each squad.

Wilm:  RJ Brown.  He didn't lead them in scoring or rebounding, but he just played a very complete game.  15 pts, 5 reb, 5 steals, 3 assists, 0 TO.   

MUC: Chris Switzer.  Career high 31 pts on a very impressive 11/18 shooting.  Also had 7 reb, 2 steals, 2 assists and 5/6 FT.

Runner up: Kevin Colson, Wilm. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 15, 2009, 04:17:34 PM
Watched the RAIDERS collapse on STO. Terrible shot selection and decision making down the stretch. And Amen! One Fan - What's the deal with wearing a ball cap on the bench. The youngman in question had the Purple Raider warm-up on, so I have to assume it was a player. Just one more thing to scratch your head about when it comes to MT. U Basketball. Again - I cant say I'm surprised. I saw Marietta at JCU in what appears to be 2 teams destined for future great match-ups and perhaps league supremacy. JCU's pressure and couple of experienced players too much for the Pioneers this season. I see the Berg beat Otterbein to clinch the last tournament spot. They lose any tie-breakers with Mt. because they lost to Raiders both times. Otterbein now tied with BW for last place and as the 2 teams who's season ends next saturday. Muskie bounces back from loss to Marietta to beat BW at home. So there's still a battle between Muskingum and Marietta for 5-6th place. JCU has underachieving BW at home and at Wilmington to end the season. The JCU - BW game has been a great match-up since moran came to University Hts - but I'm not sure the YellowJackets have adjusted to Coach Sheldon's system enough to win this one, (Or maybe he hasn't adjusted to his new players) either way it remains a rivalry and BW's pride is on the line, dont expect Beane & Company to just lie down.  And yes I'm still saying ONU is a great pick for tournament champions, but i've over hyped Northern before only to be let down. Anyelse have OAC post season predictions?! Anyone??!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2009, 04:54:52 PM
I like JCU, then ONU in the OAC tourney.  I'm not sold on Cap for some reason.  I've seen them 3 times this year and walked away unimpressed each time (Note: I mean unimpressed relative to their record/ranking, not unimpressed in that I think they aren't good or don't have talent).  Obviously they're good, their record shows that much.  I can't put my finger on it, but they just didn't play like a championship team if that makes sense.  The games I've seen they had these lapses where they just played poorly for a while, let an inferior team hang around longer than they should, but ultimately won because they're good.  That formula just doesn't sit well with me come tourney time.  Of course if they win the tourney I'll just edit this post to say something like "I love Cap, they're gritty and just find ways to win close games." 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 15, 2009, 05:18:55 PM
I would have to agree that John Carroll is probably the team to beat in the tournament. I also don't feel Cap is as good as their ranking would indicate. I have seen them only twice this season, but came away both times wonderiing how they won the game and how they continue to win, but they do, so there is obviously something going on with this team that I certainly don't see. As to the tournament, I don't see Cap, John Carroll or ONU losing in the first round...Wilmington is another story...They won by three twice over the Muskies, and had a three point and I believe a six or seven point win over Marietta. It depends on which team shows up in the tournament. I really don't see ONU losing to Cap again if they meet...The Bears got beat at Cap in OT and once again by four this past Saturday in Ada, but as they say, it is tough to beat a team three times in one season. All things considered, I see JC advancing to the NCAA tournament, but that is why they play the games, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2009, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 15, 2009, 05:18:55 PMThe Bears got beat at Cap in OT and once again by four this past Saturday in Ada, but as they say, it is tough to beat a team three times in one season.

No offense, onefan, but that is the dumbest cliche in sports. Do people really think through the implications of that cliche whenever they cite it?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on February 16, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
Now that Heidelberg has clinched a tourney spot I feel like I can comment on other teams. No one wants to hear from the guy who's team doesnt even make the tourney. As far as Mount is concerned I to have wondered to myself how they are consistently at the bottom of the leauge standings. They have nice athletic facilities unlike Wilmington and the Berg and are in a great location unlike ONU, Musky, and Marietta. However, they still get consistently out recruited and out played by all of these schools through recent years (except maybe Marietta). Does being known as a football school really hurt them that much? Or is it the coaching staff and their recruiting plan?

As far as the tourney is concerned you have to have JCU as the favorite. They play very hard and are a legitametly 12 deep. The only thing to count against them is their youth come big games in the tournament. In my opinion Cap is next. I've seen them several times over the last 3 years and I have no idea why people on this board do not consider them an elite team. I do not know what else they have to do to prove they are legit. To this point only losing 5 OAC games the last two seasons is remarkable.

I also was wondering if anyone knows if their is any truth to the rumor that Wood broke his nose and has to wear a mask for the rest of the season? I saw he played 24mins on sat. and went 1-3 from the field and 1-2 from the FT line to finish with 3pts 2 TO's and 4 fouls. A very unlike Wood stat line to say the least. If he isnt healthy that could be a big blow to them. If he is hurt ONU could have a shot. ONU is a very good team but they let you down every year, I dont see why this year is any different.

The OAC tourney teams are decided but their still a lot to play for as far as seeding is concerned. CAP is only a game behind JCU and the streaks still have to go to Wilmington, maybe the toughest place to play in the leauge. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think CAP holds the tiebreaker via 2 wins over ONU? Speaking of ONU and the Quakers they are tied for the 3 seed. Not sure who holds the tiebreaker there. Musky and Marietta are with striking distance of each other for the 5 and 6 seeds. Finally the Princes and MUC are tied for 7th but Mount holds the tiebreaker. Mount finishes with Nothern at home and @ Marietta while the Berg has Cap and Musky at home. A lot should be known by wednesday night at around 930. Should be an interesting finish!


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 16, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Basketball23 on February 16, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
Now that Heidelberg has clinched a tourney spot I feel like I can comment on other teams. No one wants to hear from the guy who's team doesnt even make the tourney.

I do.  I want to hear from guys who support each of the ten teams.  Twenty teams, if you count the women.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on February 16, 2009, 05:37:09 PM
Well, the National Championship banner is beginning to get dusty at Otterbein. Last home is Wednesday, but no seniors on the team. With an offense of Pollack to the right, Pollack to the left and Pollack down the middle and true lack of speed and size on defense  leaves this team totally deserving of its last place finish in the OAC.  With 3 freshmen starters, including point guard and an undersized post player(6'3), will this team improve next year? Will the 2 biggest players(6'7 and 6'6) improve enough to be a factor..Can Coach Reynolds get them out of the basement or is he thinking about retirement??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 17, 2009, 12:10:49 AM
GS,

No offense taken, but with all due respect it is not even close to the dumbest cliche in sports. To be more precise, in my opinion, CAP and ONU are so evenly matched, the more often they play, the higher the liklihood that the wins and losses are going to even out. CAP has an OT win and a four point win this season over the Bears. Both games could have gone the other way. As to thinking through the implications of the cliche, yes, people do think through them. Beating an opponent three times in a season that is evenly matched with you is difficult to do. Beating them twice is also difficult, but with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious are reduced. That was the point of the comment.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
Like a lot of sports cliches, there's not a lot of evidence to support it other than anecdotal.

It isn't any tougher for Team A to beat Team B in February than it was in December, most often, and if it is tougher it's not usually because they played each other already.

What's tougher, and this is no surprise, is that it's more difficult to go 3-0 than 2-0, no matter the opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2009, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 17, 2009, 12:10:49 AM
GS,

No offense taken, but with all due respect it is not even close to the dumbest cliche in sports. To be more precise, in my opinion, CAP and ONU are so evenly matched, the more often they play, the higher the liklihood that the wins and losses are going to even out. CAP has an OT win and a four point win this season over the Bears. Both games could have gone the other way. As to thinking through the implications of the cliche, yes, people do think through them. Beating an opponent three times in a season that is evenly matched with you is difficult to do. Beating them twice is also difficult, but with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious are reduced. That was the point of the comment.

First of all, the cliche doesn't say anything about teams being "evenly matched". The cliche, as you quoted it (and as it's usually quoted), is this: It's tough to beat a team three times in one season. There's no "evenly matched" there. It isn't even implied. According to this cliche, the #1 team could whip the pants off of the #8 team twice in an eight-team league that plays a double round-robin, but that #1 team better watch out when it plays #8 in the opening round of an eight-team conference tournament!

And that's just plain silly.

Capital could have a hard time beating Ohio Northern in the OAC tourney for one simple reason: The two teams are fairly evenly-matched. The fact that Capital beat ONU twice already doesn't have anything to do with it, any more than if ONU had managed to win one or both of those games. Heck, you could make the argument that the two teams are fairly evenly-matched even if one of them had had a bad night and got whipped by the other in one of the regular-season games. Why? Because prior performances don't enter into current outcomes at all. Nobody gets a head start on the scoreboard when the clock reads 20:00 because they happened to have beaten the other team on an earlier occasion. It's the relative strengths of the two teams, plus their execution on game night in that third contest, that'll decide the outcome, not what happened in the two previous games.

Previous head-to-head contests are usually indicators of relative strength, of course, but they're often more indicative by virtue of closeness than by outcome. In other words, a team that sweeps the regular-season series over an opponent with an OT win and a four-point win may not be more dominant over that team than it is over a team that it beat by thirty but lost to by one. But it's very different to beat a team by four and in OT than it is to beat a team by thirty and by fifteen. All sweeps are not created equal, which is at the heart of why it's a dumb cliche.

Also, this statement:

QuoteBeating them twice is also difficult, but with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious are reduced.

... is demonstrably false. The odds of beating a team are not affected by prior performances any more than the actual outcome is affected by prior performances. What is true, and what you may have meant to say, is that with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious and undefeated against that particular opponent are reduced, because the more times that you play a team, the less likely you are to continue sweeping them. That's true even if you're an excellent #1 team playing a lousy #8 team, because each game is yet another opportunity for the better team to stumble.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 18, 2009, 12:55:55 AM
,GS,

At the risk of beating a dead horse, you are correct that the cliche doesn't mention anything about the teams being evenly matched,however to say that it isn't even implied is a stretch. I seriously doubt the phrase was started at the Roman Colesium when the Christians and the lions were going at it on a daily basis. It more than likely reared it's ugly head after two opponents had experienced very evenly matched competitions on two prior occasions. Viewed in that context, it can hardly be referred to as the ''dumbest cliche in sports''. t can however be viewed as a cliche that is utilized by dumb people.

To say that the two prior outcomes between Cap and ONU this season has nothing to do with a third match-up couldn't be further from the truth. Talk to anyone with knowledge and experience in the game and they will tell you that those two prior games have a very definite impact on how the third game will be approached. The two teams strengths will try to be countered by what was learned from the previous two meetings and consequently the team that learned more from those prior two meetings and can also esecute their game plan will emerge victorious.

As to the odds of Cap emerging victorious in a third meeting being reduced,you are  mathematically correct. However, you then make the statement that ''the more times you play a team the less likely you are to continue to sweep them''which is exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank you. I guess it really is tough to beat a team three times in one season after all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 18, 2009, 01:18:42 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2009, 02:07:39 PM
What is true, and what you may have meant to say, is that with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious and undefeated against that particular opponent are reduced, because the more times that you play a team, the less likely you are to continue sweeping them. That's true even if you're an excellent #1 team playing a lousy #8 team, because each game is yet another opportunity for the better team to stumble.
I wonder then, what the odds are of Wooster emerging victorious and undefeated against the EC this weekend to make it a perfect 45 for 45 all time against the Quakers?   ;)  :P 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2009, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: onefan on February 18, 2009, 12:55:55 AM
,GS,

At the risk of beating a dead horse, you are correct that the cliche doesn't mention anything about the teams being evenly matched,however to say that it isn't even implied is a stretch. I seriously doubt the phrase was started at the Roman Colesium when the Christians and the lions were going at it on a daily basis. It more than likely reared it's ugly head after two opponents had experienced very evenly matched competitions on two prior occasions. Viewed in that context, it can hardly be referred to as the ''dumbest cliche in sports''. t can however be viewed as a cliche that is utilized by dumb people.

It's not a stretch at all. That cliche has been used in all sorts of different contexts, by all sorts of people, referring to all sorts of different teams. There's no implication of "evenly matched" in it at all.

Quote from: onefan on February 18, 2009, 12:55:55 AMTo say that the two prior outcomes between Cap and ONU this season has nothing to do with a third match-up couldn't be further from the truth. Talk to anyone with knowledge and experience in the game and they will tell you that those two prior games have a very definite impact on how the third game will be approached. The two teams strengths will try to be countered by what was learned from the previous two meetings and consequently the team that learned more from those prior two meetings and can also esecute their game plan will emerge victorious.

You're confusing outcome with performance. Coaches and players don't learn any more or any less from a win than they do from a loss. They learn strengths, weaknesses, tendencies, sets, rotations, etc., from having played a team (and from viewing film of that performance) not from the ultimate result on the scoreboard. In other words, the educational aspect of having played an opponent doesn't really have anything to do with which team ended up with the W and which team ended up with the L. Also, while "learning more from those prior two meetings" and "executing their game plan" count for a lot, good ol' talent is just as often the determining factor, if not more often.

Quote from: onefan on February 18, 2009, 12:55:55 AMAs to the odds of Cap emerging victorious in a third meeting being reduced,you are  mathematically correct. However, you then make the statement that ''the more times you play a team the less likely you are to continue to sweep them''which is exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank you. I guess it really is tough to beat a team three times in one season after all.

If that was the point you were trying to make, you made it poorly. You originally said:

Quote from: onefan on February 15, 2009, 05:18:55 PMThe Bears got beat at Cap in OT and once again by four this past Saturday in Ada, but as they say, it is tough to beat a team three times in one season.

"Less likely" and "tough" are two unrelated concepts. It's a basic law of mathematics that the odds of an outcome remaining the same in a system with random variables (i.e., a basketball game) lessen as the number of instances are increased. In other words, to use ScotsFan's example, Wooster is and has been for many years a basketball power, while Earlham perennially fluctuates between mediocre and downtrodden on the hardwood. The odds of Wooster running off a long winning streak against Earlham are, thus, much better than are the odds of Wooster running off a long winning streak against Wittenberg (or of either Capital or Ohio Northern running off a long winning streak against the other, given the topsy-turvy world of the OAC). But the odds of Wooster winning ten in a row against Earlham are not nearly as good as are the odds of the Scots sweeping the Quakers in any given season. And the odds against Wooster running the table against EC over twenty games are even longer, and over 44 games even longer still.

So what are the odds that Wooster is going to beat Earlham on Saturday in Timken Gym? Excellent. And if Wooster wins that game, and then faces EC in the NCAC tourney, what will be the odds that the Scots will be the team celebrating after the final buzzer, the proud owners of a three-game sweep over the Quakers? Again, excellent. But what are the odds that Wooster would have won 45 in a row over the Quakers when the current streak started? Not all that great, actually. Even with a good program and a poor program involved, it's very hard to run off that long of a streak. Wooster beat Earlham by two in OT in a 2005-06 game, and on two other occasions over the past six seasons the final winning margin for the Scots was in single digits. The odds, therefore, of Wooster making it 46 in a row the next time that the two teams meet are less than the odds that Wooster will make it 45 in a row on Saturday.

That's what I meant by this statement:

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2009, 02:07:39 PMWhat is true, and what you may have meant to say, is that with each ensuing meeting the odds of emerging victorious and undefeated against that particular opponent are reduced, because the more times that you play a team, the less likely you are to continue sweeping them. That's true even if you're an excellent #1 team playing a lousy #8 team, because each game is yet another opportunity for the better team to stumble.

You've completely misconstrued it. You've instead inserted the word "tough" into the statement, as in, "It really is tough to beat a team three times in one season." And that's not what I said at all. If you're Wooster and the opponent is Earlham, "tough" doesn't enter into the conversation. It's less likely, not "tough".
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 18, 2009, 10:13:26 PM
GS,

You are obviously quite passionate about proving your point concerning the "dumbest cliche" in sports. I will take your extensive diatribe on the subject in the spirit in which I am sure it was written,to-wit, to educate ,even though I continue to disagree with your position.Thank you. My only request is that if you feel the need to reply to this post, please keep the response to 500 words or less, otherwise you tend to come off  a "tad bit shrill". Also, I really don't have the time or attention span to read anything much longer than that and it would certainly seem that you and I are really the only two that give a damn about the topic anyway.Spending any more time on the subject would truly appear to be a waste of your time and mine. Thank you again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2009, 03:09:09 PM
"Shrill"? Hardly. "Passionate"? Believe me, I was more passionate about the white chili I had for dinner last Thursday -- granted, it was pretty good white chili. ;) I was just trying to make a point, that's all. Yeah, I got wordy, but when you're trying to get a point across it's better to say too much than it is to say too little.

As for you and I being the only people who give a damn, let's remember where we are. Here in the OAC room, the motto is, "Where nobody's given a damn for over ten years and counting"!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 20, 2009, 01:48:11 PM
GS,

Amen to that brother, good white chili is hard to beat and this site does have a very poor following despite the great effort those Dlll kids give us week in and week out. As to the basketball, underachieving ONU got beat by an inspired Muskie team Wednesday night. I must confess I haven't had the time to see how everyone else did, but I fear that ONU's problems of not being  able to perform well down the stretch will follow them in to the tournament. Their largest loss this season has been by nine, and it seems as though the trend has been for them to be unable to close a team out in the late stages of the game  and consequently lose the close ones in the final minutes. As a Bears fan, I hope they can turn that trend around.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 20, 2009, 10:27:32 PM
ONE Fan - I didn't notice but your right about ONU losing games late. (Although I'd say they were a distant 2nd in that category to BW this year. ) Every since the year the Polar Bears got robbed & didn't make the tournament as a 2nd team from the OAC behind BW - they haven't seemed capable of winning big games or needed games late in the season. They just never seem to live up to their potential, but I'm still stcking with them as my tourny pick. I know it doesnt make sense but thats part of why I'm staying on Polar Bear Express.

Everyone else - I have tried starting conversations regarding OAC action. I guess there just isnt much appreciation or interest in the OAC. But please... if your a poster from another Conference, lets try to debate basketball not Cliches! Tell me my predictions suck! Tell me yours! Tell me about an OAC game you saw! Tell me an opinion about OAC basketball after reading the scores or checking the school websites! Tell me something I don't already know or dont tell me anything at all!

I was reading some old post and browsing the websites earlier. FYI - Heidelberg is not the only school without a full time asst. Duane Sheldon at BW is without one. Not sure why? The women have one. Not sure what's going on there!? What happened to Coach Bankson's assistant (Chris Kibbler)? Coach Kibbler recruited me out of high school. I should have listened and gone to BW.  Mike Moran has no full-time asst. I dont think Marietta's or Wilmington's assts. are full-time. Ott., ONU, Cap., Muskingum, and I think Mt. Union's Dan MacDuffie is full-time, though I could be wrong. If not, perhaps those schools are not giving the basketball coaches full-time assistants any more!? Hard to fathom when the football staff has plenty of assistants at these schools. Certainly would answer some of the questions about winning recruitng battles!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on February 21, 2009, 12:30:41 AM
Albert,

I can appreciate your choice of the Bears in the OAC Tournament. I have a similar sentiment when it comes to them. They frequently get double digit scoring from five players, have a deep bench...they play sticky man to man defense and they haven't been blown out by anyone this season. Their achilles has been the lack of killer instinct down the stretch and at times inability to make crucial late game free throws when given the opportunity and during certain stretches have displayed a propensity of turning the ball over. In reality I expect the same trends to continue in the tournament, but it is a short road to the championship game so anything can happen, right? Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on February 21, 2009, 10:16:52 AM
An OAC game highlight from Wednesday night made SportsCenter's Top 10 plays this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2009, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 20, 2009, 10:27:32 PM
Everyone else - I have tried starting conversations regarding OAC action. I guess there just isnt much appreciation or interest in the OAC. But please... if your a poster from another Conference, lets try to debate basketball not Cliches! Tell me my predictions suck! Tell me yours! Tell me about an OAC game you saw! Tell me an opinion about OAC basketball after reading the scores or checking the school websites! Tell me something I don't already know or dont tell me anything at all!

My opinion is this: I have a tremendous amount of respect for OAC basketball. It has a great history of postseason success, and few if any leagues around D3 can rival it for its top-to-bottom competitiveness, year in and year out. As a CCIW fan, I've never had any problem with viewing the OAC as a peer in terms of being a power conference.

However, the excellence of the league on the hardwood doesn't seem to be matched by fan enthusiasm, at least as far as this room is concerned. And I've never understood that at all. I've given up on wondering why that is.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 21, 2009, 03:28:32 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 21, 2009, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 20, 2009, 10:27:32 PM
Everyone else - I have tried starting conversations regarding OAC action. I guess there just isnt much appreciation or interest in the OAC. But please... if your a poster from another Conference, lets try to debate basketball not Cliches! Tell me my predictions suck! Tell me yours! Tell me about an OAC game you saw! Tell me an opinion about OAC basketball after reading the scores or checking the school websites! Tell me something I don't already know or dont tell me anything at all!

My opinion is this: I have a tremendous amount of respect for OAC basketball. It has a great history of postseason success, and few if any leagues around D3 can rival it for its top-to-bottom competitiveness, year in and year out. As a CCIW fan, I've never had any problem with viewing the OAC as a peer in terms of being a power conference.

However, the excellence of the league on the hardwood doesn't seem to be matched by fan enthusiasm, at least as far as this room is concerned. And I've never understood that at all. I've given up on wondering why that is.
I hear ya!  I too have had a great respect for the OAC over the years.  Having to see many teams on Wooster's schedule year in and year out and meeting up in the Tournament on several occasions, I have become very familiar with the OAC and try to follow what's going on in the conference throughout the season.  I have always felt that the OAC has to be considered one of the 3 toughest conferences in the country and I'm jealous of the fact that Wooster doesn't get that grueling conference schedule to test them come tournament time.  And I have often felt this has hurt Wooster more than a couple of time with early exits from the Tournament.

But, I too, for the life of me, can't figure out why there isn't more activity on this board?!  The OAC football board doesn't have a problem and that's not just because of MUC.  There are plenty of other OAC teams represented over there.  I just can't figure out why some of those fans of the football site can't get into basketball as well?  As GS said, it's futile to continue to wonder why this board doesn't garner more interest...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 21, 2009, 03:33:57 PM
While I have no explanation for WHY it is, all the regular posters in OAC are football only (even this time of year the OAC football board is more active than this board.  In the CCIW (and seemingly the NCAC, MIAA, and a few others), I've rarely seen regulars who post in only one or the other; most are active on both.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2009, 04:54:55 PM
I agree regarding the lack of activity on this board.  And yes, the OAC football board is more active right now than this board.  But as an OAC guy I read both almost every day (although this one I can do more like weekly).  The OAC football board right now is almost all MUC regulars along w/ staples like JK (Cap) and Reality Check (ONU).  The rest are mainly non-OAC folks.  Really there isn't a lot of representation for the other schools.  Even during football season it's really a MUC/Cap/ONU party for the most part.  I don't understand why BW & JCU don't have more posters on football, so I'm not even going to attempt to explain hoops.  But look at the bright side...it could be the OAC baseball board.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2009, 05:53:33 PM
I'm not surprised that the top 3 teams won this afternoon.  I was a little surprised by the scores though.  A little tighter than I would have thought.  I know Bein is a rivalry game, but they're 3-15 in conference and it was at Cap. 

Capital over Otterbein 83-78 (OT). 

ONU over MUC 100-99 (2OT). 

JCU over Wilm 75-72
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 21, 2009, 05:55:08 PM
Ohio Northern 100 Mt. Union 99 2OT

......that close to a Pool C crushing loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 21, 2009, 06:21:28 PM
Its that time of the year!! Great game in Alliance today! ONU freshmen hits game winning 3 in double OT!! I was very impressed with the effort by Mt. Union - I really wasnt expecting that. They are playing surprisingly well right now. I wont hold my breath come tournament time as they have Capital - but I see Capital isnt playing that great right now. Who knows?! Best of luck to the Raiders! I'm now changing my tourny prediction. After seeing JCU smack BW on STO - coupled with their road win at Wilmington, I have to believe they are clearly the OAC's best and I'm not expecting that to change - but I do expect the tournament to be exciting. Doed the OAC have any chanve of getting 2 teams in? I dont think ONU or Wilmington can get in without winning the tourny. Cap and JCU should be interesting if they make final and fail to win it. I'm picking JCU over Berg, Cap over Mt., not sure who has tie breaker with ONU and Wilmington but they both could be shark bait in the 1st round to either Marietta or Muskingum. Hope the final 4 is held at JCU for selfish reasons (easy trip to watch!).

On a side note - Congrats and my apologies to Andrew Bene of BW. AB scored 1,000 pts in his last game at BW (finished with 1006). Sorry for misspelling the name in my post last week.

Any thoughts on how JCU or any other OAC team might fair come NCAA tourny time? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 23, 2009, 11:26:28 AM
JCU hosts the OAC as long as they're in it.  That was a huge win at Wilmington.  Both Capital and JCU were undefeated at home this year, I think. 

I'm not sure how Capital's close shaves with teams at the bottom of the standings will look if they don't win the tourney.  Who knows what Pool C will think of that.  Still, a win's a win, and nothing's a given in the OAC.  Should be a very interesting tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2009, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: jcu_fan on February 23, 2009, 11:26:28 AM
I'm not sure how Capital's close shaves with teams at the bottom of the standings will look if they don't win the tourney.  Who knows what Pool C will think of that.

It won't matter. Margin of victory is not one of the five primary criteria used by the selection committee to determine Pool C bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 25, 2009, 09:54:16 PM
Well the NCAC did its best OAC impression last night, with 3 of 4 lower seeds winning quarterfinal games.
The OAC returned the favor tonight, doing its best impression of a typical top-heavy year in the NCAC with 3 of 4 top seeds winning.

Final scores:

#8 Heidelberg 68, #1 John Carroll 78
#5 Muskingum 70, #4 Wilmington 69
   
#6 Marietta 52, #3 Ohio Northern 62
#7 Mount Union 56, #2 Capital 95

Pairings for the OAC Semifinals, to be held at John Carroll's DeCarlo Varsity Center:

#3 Ohio Northern vs. #2 Capital, 6 p.m.
#5 Muskingum at #1 John Carroll, 8 p.m.

Both Capital and JCU swept their opponents during the regular season.
JCU now has a 17-game winning streak  :o and is unbeaten at home this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 25, 2009, 11:11:04 PM
Can't say I'm surprised by the whoopin Mt. took from Capital. The question is ... was Capital making a statement or did Mt. throw in the towel. Took in the JCU vs Heidelberg game tonight.  The Blue Streaks didnt look pretty but they were still able to beat a competitive but marginally talented squad from Tiffin. The younger players for JCU came through as they have all year. Hard to fathom this squad has won so many in a row! The OAC is not what it's accustomed to being. I have a hard time believing this year's team is anywhere close to as good as the past couple JCU championship teams. But its hard to argue with 17 straight or however many it is now. Muskingum's win over Wilmington only proves my thought that Muskingum was better than their record! I've been complaining about them and BW all year for underachieving. ONU gets the win against a team I'm saying right now will battle JCU the next couple of years for league supremacy with. The boys on the border have some talented freshmen playing major minutes. It might not happen next year, but the following year, 2010-11, look for the Pioneers to do what hasnt occurred in Marietta since 1995 - make a championship run! Hell for that matter - make a run at the upper tier of the OAC!! Amazing what a new coach can do for a program! I wonder if certain AD's are taking notice!? ??? On that same note - how will Coach Gholson's 1st recruitng class turn out? He needs players! Or Coach Sheldon's at BW? The loss of Bene is a large hole inside for the YellowJAckets. I like their guard play, but they need inside help. I didnt see much on the bench this year. Can Coach Sheldon muster the type of class he had last year at Heidelberg or will it take 6 years to put toghter a winning team? I cant imagine it would take that long at a school like BW.  One last question..... how long can a program like Otterbein stay down? Gotta think Coach Reynolds wont stay in the bottom of the league for long - but they definitely need players. Thats the worst I ever remember Otterbein being!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2009, 11:17:09 PM
Capital 63, ONU 58
John Carroll 83, Muskingum 69

Championship game: #2 Capital at #1 JCU, 7:30pm Saturday.  The winner gets the automatic NCAA bid and a fairly likely home regional, while the loser probably gets the booby prize of a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 12:34:08 PM
Everything goes to form in the OAC and we've got Capital-JCU for the OAC championship.  As David noted, win or lose Cap and JCU should have bids.  But home court for next weekend could easily be on the line.

Watch it tonight- free. Game time is 7:30 p.m.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=1037&eventcode=6

I pick JCU by 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 12:34:08 PM
Everything goes to form in the OAC and we've got Capital-JCU for the OAC championship.  As David noted, win or lose Cap and JCU should have bids.  But home court for next weekend could easily be on the line.

Watch it tonight- free. Game time is 7:30 p.m.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=1037&eventcode=6

I pick JCU by 8.

But isn't "form" in the OAC that favorites rarely win! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 08:59:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 12:34:08 PM
Everything goes to form in the OAC and we've got Capital-JCU for the OAC championship.  As David noted, win or lose Cap and JCU should have bids.  But home court for next weekend could easily be on the line.

Watch it tonight- free. Game time is 7:30 p.m.

http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=1037&eventcode=6

I pick JCU by 8.

But isn't "form" in the OAC that favorites rarely win! :D

Yes, of course.

82-79 JCU leads with 3:49 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
JCU 90, Capital 87, Final.

John Carroll remains unbeaten at home and earns the OAC Tournament Championship and the conference's automatic bid to the 2009 NCAA Tournament.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 01, 2009, 01:38:02 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
JCU 90, Capital 87, Final.

John Carroll remains unbeaten at home and earns the OAC Tournament Championship and the conference's automatic bid to the 2009 NCAA Tournament.


And the favorite to put that home unbeaten streak on the line in the NCAA tournament IMHO...

Who would have ever guessed at the start of the regular season that the road to Salem out of the GL region would be going through John Carroll??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 01, 2009, 02:22:03 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 01, 2009, 01:38:02 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 28, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
JCU 90, Capital 87, Final.

John Carroll remains unbeaten at home and earns the OAC Tournament Championship and the conference's automatic bid to the 2009 NCAA Tournament.


And the favorite to put that home unbeaten streak on the line in the NCAA tournament IMHO...

Who would have ever guessed at the start of the regular season that the road to Salem out of the GL region would be going through John Carroll??? 

Hard to say, SF- but it wasn't these "experts" (http://www.oac.org/documents/2008Basketballpoll_000.pdf)   ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 01, 2009, 08:32:44 AM
Cap's women are back in the tourney, where they belong, and the men are likely to get a pool C and get in (although given what happened back in 01, I won't get too excited until they actually announce it).

I'll take it...

I'd be even happier if the Football team hadn't mailed in the second half of the season after the QB got hurt.  But, who didn't expect a little slide after losing the best (OK, second best) coach in the conference.

Hoping that the baseball team can rebound from last year and fulfill some of the promise they showed making the OAC tourney final game two years ago.

Cap has quietly built a strong overall athletic program.  They will never win the OAC all-sports trophy because they don't have all the sports that MUC, JCU, BW, ONU have (no wrestling or swimming and diving), but pretty solid since the Capital Center was built.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:37:58 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 03, 2009, 07:21:20 PM
I have gathered together the rosters and stats for the teams that will be playing at Capital this weekend.  They can be found here:  http://www.jtaswell.com/2009MBB/2009_MBB_Capital_Pod_Stats.htm

If anyone cares to have that information in an excel file, drop me a note and I'll be happy to send it to you!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 05, 2009, 01:06:56 PM
How about the OAC getting 2 home sectionals? I expect JCU & Capital will both win their openers. After that who knows. Either team could potentially make sweet 16 or Elite 8. Any news on who made all conference in the OAC. I have been waiting to hear. I wish D3 had recruiting deadlines so as a fan we could see who is going where. I live in Cleveland and wonder where some of the local cagers are headed. If anybody hears anything please share - perhaps that kind of info could carry the board through an otherwise dead period. Best of luck to our OAC representatives. Ive got Wheaton, Trinity, R. Stockton & F&M in the final 4. Couldnt agree more with the rediculousness of the bracket formation. Totally uneven - SAD! D3 & the NCAA should be embarrassed to put together a national tournament in this manner. Could you imagine this in D1?! I cant imagine the DII model being this crazy either. How do they do it? If it works for them, cant DIII adopt a similar approach? Anything but this mess!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2009, 01:45:16 PM
Unfortunately, we're stuck with a geographically-based bracket every year because D3 has to hold its tournament on D1's dime. Our tourney doesn't make money; the TV contract D1 enjoys for March Madness funds the tournaments for everybody else, regardless of level or sport. The person who pays the piper calls the tune. Unless the D1 folks are feeling generous enough to spring for more plane trips for D3 teams, the D3 selection committee is going to continue to have to set up ridiculously top-heavy brackets that keep everyone within 500 miles of campus if at all possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 05, 2009, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2009, 01:45:16 PM
Unfortunately, we're stuck with a geographically-based bracket every year because D3 has to hold its tournament on D1's dime. Our tourney doesn't make money; the TV contract D1 enjoys for March Madness funds the tournaments for everybody else, regardless of level or sport. The person who pays the piper calls the tune. Unless the D1 folks are feeling generous enough to spring for more plane trips for D3 teams, the D3 selection committee is going to continue to have to set up ridiculously top-heavy brackets that keep everyone within 500 miles of campus if at all possible.
We know that we are not going to get perfectly balanced brakets like they get in DI.  But come on!  This years bracket is about as rediculous as it gets!  Does the D3 selection committee have any creativity whatsoever?  I just don't get why, if the gurus here on this board can easily see ways to at least lessen the top heaviness of certain pods on the bracket without having to change anyones flight plans, why can't the committee see this???  And especially considering that the women's selection committee does a much better job of this than the men's selection committee ever has...  ???

It's just sad to think that we have some pretty damn good final 4 matchups in the 2nd freaking round of the tournament?!   :o   How does this happen???  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2009, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on March 05, 2009, 01:06:56 PMAny news on who made all conference in the OAC. I have been waiting to hear.

http://www.oac.org/ (http://www.oac.org/)
Nate Stahl of Capital repeats as MOP.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 05, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on March 05, 2009, 01:06:56 PM
How about the OAC getting 2 home sectionals? I expect JCU & Capital will both win their openers. After that who knows. Either team could potentially make sweet 16 or Elite 8. Any news on who made all conference in the OAC. I have been waiting to hear. I wish D3 had recruiting deadlines so as a fan we could see who is going where. I live in Cleveland and wonder where some of the local cagers are headed. If anybody hears anything please share - perhaps that kind of info could carry the board through an otherwise dead period. Best of luck to our OAC representatives. Ive got Wheaton, Trinity, R. Stockton & F&M in the final 4. Couldnt agree more with the rediculousness of the bracket formation. Totally uneven - SAD! D3 & the NCAA should be embarrassed to put together a national tournament in this manner. Could you imagine this in D1?! I cant imagine the DII model being this crazy either. How do they do it? If it works for them, cant DIII adopt a similar approach? Anything but this mess!

Don't quote me on this but I think D2 uses an even stricter Regional model.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on March 05, 2009, 04:43:20 PM

First Team
Name, School                   Yr.          Pos.    High School
Kyle Meyer, Ohio North   Jr.   W   Columbus Grove
Rudy Kirbus, John Carr   Jr.   F   Willoughby Hills/St. Ignatius
Nate Stahl,       Capital      Sr.   W   St. Henry
Trevor Scott, Muskingu   Sr.   G   Loudonville
Ryan Wood,     Capital    Sr.   W   Pickerington/Central
Justin Gaines, Wilming   Sr.   G   Cincinnati/Colerain


Second  Team
Name, School           Yr.   Pos.   Hometown, High School
Andrew Bene, B-W           Sr.   P   Hinckley/Medina Highland
Brian Pollock, Otterbein   Jr.   G   London
Tyler Felt, Muskingum *   Sr.   F   Cambridge
Maurice Haynes II, JC      So.   F   Villa Angela-St. Joseph
Brandon Rogers, Wil %    Jr.   F   Xenia
Chris Switzer, Mount U=  Sr.   G   Euclid/Stow-Monroe Falls


Honorable Mention
Name, School                   Yr.   Pos.    High School
Kevin Knab, Marietta   Fr.   F   Lakewood
Kurtis Brown, Ohio N                Sr.   W             Continental
Trevor Halter, Marietta   Fr.   W   Malvern
Travis Kinn, Heidelberg   Jr.   F   Alvada/New Riegel
Quintin Mitchell, Capital   Sr.   P   Toledo/Libby
Josh Calver, Heidelberg   Jr.   G   Shelby
Ezra Bradshaw, Ohio No   Jr.   G   Cincinnati/Princeton
David Pellerite, Mount Union   So.   G   Olmsted Falls
Chris Zajac, John Carroll   Jr.   G   Brecksville-Broadview Hts.
Isaiah Creasap, Marietta $=   Sr.   G   Wooster/Northwestern

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2009, 08:57:03 PM
John Carroll wins and advances to face the Brockport State/Carnegie Mellon winner.  Does anyone know why JCU played the first game?  I thought hosts always played in the second game on Friday nights?

Anyway, Thomas More is unwilling to roll over for Capital, and is causing trouble for the Crusaders with a full-court press attack.

The Saints lead 38-36 at the half in Columbus.

Wooster advanced, beating Gettysburg 79-66 in the early game at Capital.  The Scots will face the Saints/Crusaders winner tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on March 07, 2009, 12:06:19 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on March 06, 2009, 08:57:03 PM
John Carroll wins and advances to face the Brockport State/Carnegie Mellon winner.  Does anyone know why JCU played the first game?  I thought hosts always played in the second game on Friday nights?

Anyway, Thomas More is unwilling to roll over for Capital, and is causing trouble for the Crusaders with a full-court press attack.

The Saints lead 38-36 at the half in Columbus.

Wooster advanced, beating Gettysburg 79-66 in the early game at Capital.  The Scots will face the Saints/Crusaders winner tomorrow.

CMU wins in double-OT.  The game went that long mainly due to 17 missed FTs by CMU.  They will face John Carroll tomorrow.  I am guessing they will face a very different team than they did back in November.  Will be interesting to follow the game though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2009, 12:24:06 AM
Capital also advances, eeeeeking past a major upset bid by Thomas More to win 80-77 in OT.  Capital will face Wooster tomorrow for a berth in the Sweet 16.

While I have enjoyed watching Capital the past few years, in this instance I must show my true colors:  Let's Go Scots!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on March 07, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
JCU wins on a last second shot by Chris Zajac.  Great game.  CMU had the height advantage, too.  That's a big team.  It almost looked like the shortest of their starters was taller than the tallest of ours.  That makes me feel a little better about JCU's size.  Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?

Great fans too, from CMU.  Very classy.  (I'm a Pittsburgh transplant, so it's good to see a Pittsburgh team represent so well.) 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 08, 2009, 12:49:25 PM
John Carroll will host one of the men's sectionals next weekend, where they will face Guilford on Friday night.  Winner will face the winner of University of Texas-Dallas or Capital for the right to go to the Final Four.

If JCU can stay unbeaten at home, a final four bid awaits.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on March 08, 2009, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on March 08, 2009, 12:49:25 PM

If JCU can stay unbeaten at home, a final four bid awaits.

Here's hoping.  The students will be back, too, so the place will be rocking.  The end of the CMU game was the loudest I've ever heard the place, and that was without a lot of the football team that usually shows up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: jcu_fan on March 07, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 09, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: jcu_fan on March 07, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.

6'10" 235 is big!!  I was concerned that if JCU made it deep, their lack of size could end up hurting them.  Without having seen Guilford, I've only been able to look at their stats.  They look very tough.  As usual, it seems the biggest advantage JCU is going to have is "The System."  I've never seen a team (and I had the pleasure of seeing the Final Four run and the Sweet Sixteen season after it firsthand) buy in like these young guys have this season.  They truly "play to exhaustion" as Moran loves to say like these guys.

Having the home crowd shouldn't hurt either.  I'm looking forward to a great pair of games Friday...and hopefully I'll be coming back Saturday to watch the Streaks in the Elite 8. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: Toph on March 09, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: jcu_fan on March 07, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.

6'10" 235 is big!!  I was concerned that if JCU made it deep, their lack of size could end up hurting them.  Without having seen Guilford, I've only been able to look at their stats.  They look very tough.  As usual, it seems the biggest advantage JCU is going to have is "The System."  I've never seen a team (and I had the pleasure of seeing the Final Four run and the Sweet Sixteen season after it firsthand) buy in like these young guys have this season.  They truly "play to exhaustion" as Moran loves to say like these guys.

Having the home crowd shouldn't hurt either.  I'm looking forward to a great pair of games Friday...and hopefully I'll be coming back Saturday to watch the Streaks in the Elite 8. 
As I posted on the ODAC board, Guilford's had a fair amount of experience defending "the System."  Until this season, Emory & Henry used it for years.  In one memorable game a few years back, Guilford won 148-137 in regulation at E&H when the Wasps attempted 93 three-pointers and the Quakers attempted zero.  What a statistical anomaly!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2009, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: Toph on March 09, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: jcu_fan on March 07, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
Who are the best teams with big players left in the tourney?
Guilford's pretty good ... and their center, Tyler Sanborn, is 6'10"/235.  He was former DIII POY Ben Strong's back-up his freshman year, then they started side-by-side during Sanborn's sophomore season.  This season, his junior year, Tyler's really come into his own as a great player.  It certainly helps that Guilford's starting guards, Henson and Bonner, are averaging over 19 and 16 ppg, respectively ... you can't collapse inside on Sanborn because the guards are great outside shooters.

6'10" 235 is big!!  I was concerned that if JCU made it deep, their lack of size could end up hurting them.  Without having seen Guilford, I've only been able to look at their stats.  They look very tough.  As usual, it seems the biggest advantage JCU is going to have is "The System."  I've never seen a team (and I had the pleasure of seeing the Final Four run and the Sweet Sixteen season after it firsthand) buy in like these young guys have this season.  They truly "play to exhaustion" as Moran loves to say like these guys.

Having the home crowd shouldn't hurt either.  I'm looking forward to a great pair of games Friday...and hopefully I'll be coming back Saturday to watch the Streaks in the Elite 8. 
As I posted on the ODAC board, Guilford's had a fair amount of experience defending "the System."  Until this season, Emory & Henry used it for years.  In one memorable game a few years back, Guilford won 148-137 in regulation at E&H when the Wasps attempted 93 three-pointers and the Quakers attempted zero.  What a statistical anomaly!

JCU doesn't use the Grinnell System; my understanding is that E&H used a modified version of Grinnell's System.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2009, 03:02:29 PM
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2009, 03:02:29 PM
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Interesting interview.  Thanks.  By looking at their scores and types of shots, I hadn't really confused JCU's platoon system with the Grinnell System, but thanks for the added clarification.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 09, 2009, 05:40:35 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2009, 03:02:29 PM
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Interesting interview.  Thanks.  By looking at their scores and types of shots, I hadn't really confused JCU's platoon system with the Grinnell System, but thanks for the added clarification.
I would liken JCU's system as more akin to lines in a hockey game.  Moran will ususally substitute five at a time much like a hockey team changing lines.  That's my over simplified version anyways...  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 09, 2009, 05:40:35 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2009, 03:02:29 PM
Yeah, John Carroll's "system" shouldn't be mistaken for The System.

Perhaps required listening for people facing JCU this weekend, my Hoopsville interview with Mike Moran from last month:

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/09/hoopsville/moran020509.mp3
Interesting interview.  Thanks.  By looking at their scores and types of shots, I hadn't really confused JCU's platoon system with the Grinnell System, but thanks for the added clarification.
I would liken JCU's system as more akin to lines in a hockey game.  Moran will ususally substitute five at a time much like a hockey team changing lines.  That's my over simplified version anyways...  :P
It may be simple, but hockey's exactly the example Moran used to describe it.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
Just curious - are there audio and video feeds coming out of the JCU sectional this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 09, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
Just curious - are there audio and video feeds coming out of the JCU sectional this weekend?

Capital's games will be broadcast on a local COlumbus Radio Station and simulcast on the web.  They do it for all football and basketball and some baseball games.

Visit www.capitalcrusaders.net for more info.  The links should be up by Wednesday-ish.  You may have to install realplayer if you don't already have it.  It's all there and all free.  I've listened to football games for years and the stretch internet service is pretty reliable.

However, that is only going to get you the Capital game.  Toph would be a good person to let you know about JCU's offerings.  He, if I remember correctly, was somehow involved in JCU's radio station as an undergrad.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on March 10, 2009, 12:22:00 AM
Quote from: JK on March 09, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
Just curious - are there audio and video feeds coming out of the JCU sectional this weekend?

.  Toph would be a good person to let you know about JCU's offerings.  He, if I remember correctly, was somehow involved in JCU's radio station as an undergrad.

www.wjcu.org

That's JCU's radio station.  They'll be broadcasting it on the net, it looks like.  They haven't put up the schedule yet.  Keep an eye on their site.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2009, 12:26:10 AM
Quote from: hasanova on March 09, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
Just curious - are there audio and video feeds coming out of the JCU sectional this weekend?

D3hoops.com will be broadcasting audio of all three games at the sectional. Dave McHugh will be on the call. This isn't one of the sites the NCAA was looking at sending a video crew to, though that has not been formally announced.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 10, 2009, 09:20:41 PM
jcu_fan and Pat Coleman, thanks for the information.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: newtothegame on March 10, 2009, 11:21:30 PM
can anyone tell me how Capital and UTD Matchup?  I could not find a lot of info for the UTD team, but the beat Trinity pretty handily.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: newtothegame on March 10, 2009, 11:21:30 PM
can anyone tell me how Capital and UTD Matchup?  I could not find a lot of info for the UTD team, but the beat Trinity pretty handily.
I was going to tell you to check out the ASC room, but there doesn't seem to be much activity going on over there at all...  :-\

From what I did read, it looks like the Comets can play some defense.  In their game vs. Trinity in the last round, UT-D trailed 19-12 in the 1st half.  They then changed to more of a trapping defense and outscored Trinity 58-35 the rest of the way. 

One interesting score I saw was that they beat Guilford 64-48.  But that was back in November and judging by the fact that Guilford has made it to the round of 16, I'd say they might be playing a little better basketball now than they were back in November...

I would normally say that Cap should have the home court advantage as far as fan support goes, which should help.  But seeing as how Wooster's fans outdrew Cap's fans in their own gym, I'm wondering how many will actually make the trek up to the Heights to support their team...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 11, 2009, 01:06:24 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: newtothegame on March 10, 2009, 11:21:30 PM
can anyone tell me how Capital and UTD Matchup?  I could not find a lot of info for the UTD team, but the beat Trinity pretty handily.
I was going to tell you to check out the ASC room, but there doesn't seem to be much activity going on over there at all...  :-\

From what I did read, it looks like the Comets can play some defense.  In their game vs. Trinity in the last round, UT-D trailed 19-12 in the 1st half.  They then changed to more of a trapping defense and outscored Trinity 58-35 the rest of the way. 

One interesting score I saw was that they beat Guilford 64-48.  But that was back in November and judging by the fact that Guilford has made it to the round of 16, I'd say they might be playing a little better basketball now than they were back in November...

I would normally say that Cap should have the home court advantage as far as fan support goes, which should help.  But seeing as how Wooster's fans outdrew Cap's fans in their own gym, I'm wondering how many will actually make the trek up to the Heights to support their team...
Guilford actually led that game fairly late in the second half, but ended up going cold and losing on UT-D's home court.  It was part of a classic where the Quakers played UT-Tyler the night before in the same venue.  It's interesting to note that UT-D Coach Butterfield and GC Coach Palombo knew each other from their days of being the men's and women's coaches, respectively, at Virginia Vesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 11, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 11, 2009, 11:13:02 AM
I would normally say that Cap should have the home court advantage as far as fan support goes, which should help.  But seeing as how Wooster's fans outdrew Cap's fans in their own gym, I'm wondering how many will actually make the trek up to the Heights to support their team...

You know this since you attended more games than I over the years, but...

From an Alum, trust me, Cap doesn't have a lot of "fans"  (at least in the general, casual, not-parent type of "fan").  In the bad old days when I played, we were likely to draw a couple hundred to a football game.  MUC fans always filled Bernlohr to the point it was like a home game for them.

MBB is a little worse, even thought they have been a consistent winner since Damon took over.

WBB is a little better because of the history.

Still, being in a metro area like Columbus, there are a lot more things to do than in a place like, say, Wooster or Alliance or Ada, etc.  Plus most of the casual "fans" follow Ohio State, not Cap, OTT, OWU, ODU, etc.  Even the small suburb of Bexley itself isn't a supporter of Capital.  There is a reason the football stadium doesn't have lights and you can't park on the city streets after 8pm, even for a game.

Also, in a city so large, most of the school officials/ employees/ professors live a good distance away because they can't afford to live in Bexley (old money).  If they live in a "nice" middle class suburb like Dublin, Hilliard, Gahanna, Pickerington, etc. you are looking at up to a 30 minute drive.

There are a few local folks who come around to support Cap, especially in good times.  But, for the most part, if the students aren't there you can forget about having much of a crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 05:02:11 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2009, 09:33:33 PM
Great Road to Salem article, David Collinge.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 11, 2009, 11:25:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2009, 09:33:33 PM
Great Road to Salem article, David Collinge.
I agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 12, 2009, 01:03:33 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on March 12, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
http://www.jcusports.com/sports/2009/3/10/MBB_0310092248.aspx?id=484

Info on tickets, video feeds, and delayed broadcast on Sports Time Ohio.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 13, 2009, 08:13:09 AM
I'm a Centre fan and followed the SCAC closely most of the season.  I saw the Guilford OT win last Friday over Transy. On 1st pass, the Quakers didn't impress. They are however steady and play an in/out game with Sanborn and their 2 solid guards. Nothing really sticks out other that Sanborn can rebound and hit short J's off the glass. Guards were defended pretty well and they aren't particularly quick.  They don't turn it over. They'll get good offensive three looks when teams sag on the big guy. Good coaching on the Guilford bench, too. Know very little about JCU but I'll give them a 4 point nod at home over Guilford.

UT-Dallas for you Cap fans is fast and quick giving Trinity fits last week. I like UT-Dallas in this one by 6.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on March 13, 2009, 10:29:49 AM
Anyone hoping to get walk up tickets at JCU tonight, the games are sold out.  There could be seats available based on availability for Game 2 only.  For more information, check out jcusports.com
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 13, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
Quote from: Toph on March 13, 2009, 10:29:49 AM
Anyone hoping to get walk up tickets at JCU tonight, the games are sold out.  There could be seats available based on availability for Game 2 only.  For more information, check out jcusports.com
It sounds as though there will a great and enthusiastic atmosphere for tonight's games.  Perfect!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 05:18:43 PM
I'm here live at JCU, and hope to be able to provide sporadic updates of the action in here.  So stay tuned.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on March 13, 2009, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 05:18:43 PM
I'm here live at JCU, and hope to be able to provide sporadic updates of the action in here.  So stay tuned.

I'll be there too, David.  I'm the one frantically waving my arms, directing the JCU Band.  Swing by and say hi if you get a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 05:51:45 PM
Although the DeCarlo Center is sold out for this game, with about 3 minutes left until the tip, the crowd is sparse.  The Capital student section (the "Cap Cru") is here, making a lot of noise, but there's not much else at this point.  Unfortunately, JCU_fan and his famous band is sitting out the opener.

(JCU_fan, I'm at the scorer's table, next to the PA station.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 06:02:57 PM
Stahl has hit his first two threes; UTD should probably cover him a little closer.  Witten has answered with two treys of his own, and UTD has the early 8-6 lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 06:18:27 PM
The game is considerably more up-tempo than I expected.  Both teams are shooting well; UTD is 5/7 from the arc while Cap it 4/6.  There's a lot of steals and general hand-action.  UTD 21-20 under 9 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 06:25:54 PM
Dave McHugh says that the pace is tiring Capital, but UTD looks comfortable.

Nate Stahl is 5-5 on FG's for 14 points.

Tied at 25 with 6 minutes left.

Physical play...UTD is used to a very physical style of play.

UTD is running a 1-3-1 zone, which has caused 10 turnovers by Capital.

Capital 27 UTD 26, 3:48 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 06:29:27 PM
Dave just doesn't understand that Capital always looks that way in the first half.   ;)

UT-D has just 4 fouls with 4:08 left in the first; they're in the bonus in Cap's 8 fouls.  The Comets' half-court defensive pressure is giving Cap fits, but the Crusaders still lead 29-26, now 3:00 left.  Stahl's been unstoppable.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 06:36:41 PM
The stands are still only about half-filled.  Capital is in the somewhat unfamiliar position of having the lead as halftime approaches (30-28, :39.1).  They've trailed at the half in 11 games this season, including both tournament games.  They're 10-1 in those games, so maybe they should let UT-D score here.  :)  UT-D doesn't cooperate, though, as they've gone cold and are down to 32% shooting.  Halftime is here, Cap leads 30-28.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 06:39:32 PM
UTD's Lowery and Rodgers are cold from the outside.  Eppink is 0-5 inside.

The 12-6 lead in turnovers are keeping UTD in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 06:58:27 PM
Capital came out hot from the half, like usual, but a near tie-up at mid court with Ryan Wood on the floor and Nate Stahl vainly trying to call time out resulted in a turnover and then an intentional foul, and UT-D took control at that point.  They moved out to a 41-37 lead, but then Stahl (now with 24) answered with another 3.  Cap now has the ball, down 1, 16:15 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 06:59:14 PM
This is starting to sound like the Trinity game.  UTD just found another gear in that game, and just pulled away.

Stahl 3FG!  Stahl has 24 points of the team's 40 points.  He broke that Comet effort to break away from Capital.

(Great minds!)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
UT-D gets a hand on every Cap pass, and they've turned several of them into un-Princeton-like fast break layups.  Another just happened; UT-D by 3, 15:31 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:05:12 PM
UTD is ready to explode!  UTD 47-42 12:55 left. (Capital Timeout)

Capital has 16 turnovers.

UTD is missing too many "bunnies" (according to Chris Condit.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:06:32 PM
Dallas now has 10 steals.  I've lost count of their points in transition (okay, so I'm not counting; I wish this stupid version of LiveStats that JCU uses would tell me that), but it's the Comets that look like the up-tempo team, not the Crusaders.  47-44 UTD 12:20 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:10:29 PM
I think that UTD plays so much control basketball in the ASC, because that is the "off-style" in that conference.

They don't run as well as the "running" ASC teams, but they may be a better running team than an OAC "running" team.

The other thing about UTD is that Coach Butterfield is able to get very smart players who can play both styles, but know how to play the "off-style" against respective foes.

They cannot let Capital get back into this game at this time.  They have had the Capital fans out of the game to this point.  Capital has an 8-0 run.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:14:12 PM
Back-to-back threes by Niekamp and Wood bring Cap back to within 1, 53-52, 8:52.  The gym is filling up, and the Cap students are quite loud up in the rafters of this tiny gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
Wood looks confident with his shot from the corner, and he puts Cap on top by 3 from there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
Back and forth; Dallas now up one when Rodgers hits two FTs after DJ Frazier picks up his 4th foul.  In the time it took me to type that, Stahl hit another three, then Eppink made a layup and drew a foul from Stahl, but missed the conversion.  Tied at 59, 5:53 left.  Great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:22:23 PM
Capital fans have stepped up the noise!

Stahl has 27!    Tied at 59 after Eppink's goal.  He misses the "and one". 5:54 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:25:01 PM
Frazier re-enters the game with 4:34 left, in response to Dallas taking control of the flow.  64-59 UTD.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:27:41 PM
UTD's Temaine Wright just got his 4th foul.  Wright is my favorite player for the Comets.  Losing him might hurt most.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:29:52 PM
Full-court press by Cap has an effect as White picks up his fourth foul puching off to clear space.  Damon Goodwin is swapping Frazier and Jamie Yoder in and out on offense/defense swaps (Yoder the defensive specialist.)  UTD leads by 1 with 3:29 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:30:41 PM
UTD continues to get a hand on every pass, but sometimes it's because Cap is forcing bounce passes through traffic.  This just happened again, with Cap grabbing the slapped loose ball and having to call timeout to maintain possession.  UTD up 3, 66-63, 3:04 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:31:36 PM
JCU fans are starting to yell for UTD!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:31:36 PM
JCU fans are starting to yell for UTD!
Are you here?  I don't get that sense.  ...edit...well, maybe.  The JCU student section is right behind the UT-D cheerleaders, and they're starting to get into it with the cheerleaders egging them on.

Another steal for Rodgers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:35:10 PM
My audio went dead at 1:46!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:35:50 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:31:36 PM
JCU fans are starting to yell for UTD!
Are you here?  I don't get that sense.  ...edit...well, maybe.  The JCU student section is right behind the UT-D cheerleaders, and they're starting to get into it with the cheerleaders egging them on.

Another steal for Rodgers.
That was Chris Condit's assessment on the audio stream!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
Mitchell just missed a layup, and Brown bricked the putback.  Greene with the rebound, fouled, makes both to give UTD a big 7-point lead.  Another miss at the Cap end, and back to the line for UTD.  1:16 left, and UTD leads by 8 after Eppink converts one.  And promptly another steal by UTD.  Looks good for the Comets.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:37:56 PM
I have just been kicked off the server from D3cast.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Frazier, Yoder, and Frazier again all miss threes on one possession.  They're not the best three-point shooters on Cap's team, which is probably how UTD likes it.  Now Stahl misses one as well, and this one is pretty academic.  Congratulations to UTD!  71-63 final score.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
Thanks for the update.  I lost the audio stream with about 1:46 left, and have not been able to get back on! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:14:16 PM
JCU starts on fire, hitting their first five shots.  Guilford is having success getting the ball in deep, but still trail 12-8 with 17:00 left. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:14:43 PM
The pace is too fast for any play-by-play blogging!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:17:13 PM
Guilford has a tremendous height advantage, but JCU always has a man, however small, in the face of whichever Quaker has the ball.  15-11 JCU, 15:46 1st.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:23:11 PM
From courtside, this game is a blur...
Sanborn's going to have a 20-20 game, if the first 8 minutes are any indication.
JCU clings to a 17-15 lead, 12:31 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:26:46 PM
JCU has little going right and is depending on threes, and they aren't dropping.  Guilford is dominating inside, and that's given them a 22-17 lead with 9:00 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 08:29:04 PM
Guilford's Sanborn is hot!

GC 24-17.

The announcers are wondering whether Sanborn can run at this pace.  He is getting a breather thru a John Carroll time out and now a media timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sludge on March 13, 2009, 08:38:16 PM
So far, so good.  At least, Guilford doesn't appear to be intimidated by John Caroll and the crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:39:25 PM
It's not only a fast pace, but it's being played without breaks.  There's only been 7 fouls called, just 2 of them on Guilford.  I think we're about two media timeouts behind.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:44:09 PM
I revise that estimate.  20 points, 20 rebounds, and 20 blocks for Sanborn tonight.  And yet JCU is hanging around, despite being ice cold, down just 8 with 0:56 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:03:49 PM
Sanborn was credited with 14 reb., 11 pts. and 2 blocks at the half, but as god is my witness he had more blocks than that on one possession. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:07:45 PM
As Dave just told you, the JCU press is starting to have an effect on Guilford, who lead by 4 with 16:50 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:11:55 PM
We just wasted two or three minutes with the ref watching the replay to determine if the shot clock should be reset.  The shot clock, of course, hasn't gone below 25 at any point in this game.  But it's good to get it right, I suppose....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 13, 2009, 09:12:21 PM
Excellent updates DC!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:13:29 PM
Livestats has crashed on me at 17:19 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:13:48 PM
JCU is right back into it, as you can probably hear.  Guilford 41, JCU 40, 15 minutes even left.  
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:13:29 PM
Livestats has crashed on me at 17:00 minutes left.
Ralph, you're a jinx!  Or maybe it's just Friday the Thirteenth...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:19:23 PM
The crowd gets loud when something good happens for JCU, but they don't stay loud.  Guilford has quieted them down time and again with baskets.  Sanborn continues to dominate; now 47-42 with 12:34 left.  It seems to me that JCU has to start hitting threes to have any chance, since Sanborn almost score at will.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:13:29 PM
Livestats has crashed on me at 17:00 minutes left.
Ralph, you're a jinx!  Or maybe it's just Friday the Thirteenth...
I shall try to be quiet and not attract attention to myself.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:23:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:13:29 PM
Livestats has crashed on me at 17:00 minutes left.
Ralph, you're a jinx!  Or maybe it's just Friday the Thirteenth...
I shall try to be quiet and not attract attention to myself.
Apparently I have appeased the media gods.  The Livestats is back.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:25:03 PM
Sanborn flushes another one.  Now with 21 pts., 17 boards, and (officially) 4 blocks.  Guilford is out to a 9-point lead, 56-47, 9:09.  And Ralph has re-killed LiveStats.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
As JCU's Corey Shontz tees up a three from the corner, a frustrated JCU fan behind me implores "come on, baby, just one time!"  His wish is granted.  58-50, 7:47.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:29:31 PM
Good grief.  JCU needs points, many points, and they need them bad.  Haynes picks up a loose ball and tries to bring the crowd alive with the thunder dunk, but it's off the back iron and Guilford recovers.  More evidence of the ESPNification of D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:34:59 PM
Rudy Kirbus, who's just 1 for 7 from the arc, hits the one that temporarily brings the crowd alive.  Guilford still hanging on to a 4-point lead as the pressure has affected their last several possessions.  Then Rhett Bonner hits a big three, but Shontz answers.  JCU just won't go away.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:39:28 PM
JCU is just 7 for 25 from deep.  Guilford is hitting better than 53%, helped by Sanborn's 11 for 18 performance from 18" and closer.  Timeout JCU, they trail 70-66 with 2:31 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:42:48 PM
Henson splits a pair of FTs, or which there've been few tonight (GC 7-11, JCU 5-9).  Zajac scores on the drive to pull the Streaks within 3.  Anderson now shooting for GC, he makes both to give his team a five-point edge, 1:44 left.  Zajac misses the floatter, GC rebounds.  GC burns all but 9 sec. of the shot clock and then draws the foul, to be shot by Neville.  Misses the first, and the second, which is rebounded by Crozier.  Zajac airballs a three, out of bounds to Guilford with just under a minute left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:25:03 PM
Sanborn flushes another one.  Now with 21 pts., 17 boards, and (officially) 4 blocks.  Guilford is out to a 9-point lead, 56-47, 9:09.  And Ralph has re-killed LiveStats.
I confess!   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
With JCU not fouling or even forcing a five-count, Guilford burns some more clock, but the floater is missed.  Kirsch drives the lane and is fouled, shooting free throws down 5 with 30.5 sec. left  He hits both.  Shot clock is off.  Back court foul on Zajac, going for the steal, will send Bonner to the line for 2.  0:26 left.  He makes both.  Zajac drives the middle and kicks to Dandrea in the left corner, and he drains the three.  Timeout JCU, 0:18.3 left, Guilford up 75-73.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Guilford to inbound under their own hoop, and the crowd is roaring.  They get it in, and Hirsch fouls Henson.  Cool as a North Carolina watermelon, he swishes both.  Zajac and Dandrea repeat the previous play, but Dandrea comes up a helf-foot short this time, and GC controls the rebound.  henson back at the line to put it away with 0:05.7 left.  He hits the first, and GC calls timeout.  Guilford leads 78-73.  Reminder that JCU has not lost a home game this season--that's about to change.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:51:11 PM
Final score 78-73.  Guilford to face UT-Dallas tomorrow for the sectional championship; good seats are still available!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:52:05 PM
Congrats to the Quakers!

I saw the first game (Guilford - UTD) in Dallas in November.  The rematch should be good!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sludge on March 13, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Great hustling team there for John Carroll.  They'll be back!
Those announcers though for JCU video - lot's of complainin' about calls.  You guys weren't squeaky clean, ya know.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 08:23:11 PM
Sanborn's going to have a 20-20 game, if the first 8 minutes are any indication.
I overestimated.  He ended up with 23 pts. and 19 rebounds (and 5 blocks).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sludge on March 13, 2009, 10:07:01 PM
You are such an over optimist.   ;)
I think there were more blocks that happened, actually.  Tyler Sanborn had a great game.

JCU will go deep in the tournament next year;  I think Guilford could, too.  We may meet again.
Looked like a great gym there, and like I said, JCU showed tremendous hustle and no quit whatsoever.  They came back in a way where if Guilford made a few mistakes, Guilford would lose.  There weren't quite enough mistakes though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 13, 2009, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: sludge on March 13, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Great hustling team there for John Carroll.  They'll be back!
Those announcers though for JCU video - lot's of complainin' about calls.  You guys weren't squeaky clean, ya know.
And oddly, they thought Guilford (mispronounced many times) had a player named Sanford and another named Sanburn.  :)   As I said on the ODAC board ... congratulations to JCU ... what a great season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 14, 2009, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 09:51:11 PM
Final score 78-73.  Guilford to face UT-Dallas tomorrow for the sectional championship; good seats are still available!
"good seats are still available!"  Just like last Saturday at Centre for Guilford and Averett, but that's the way the ball bounces.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 14, 2009, 11:48:09 AM
Guilford is a solid team with a great "in and out" game. I like this UT-Dallas team in a close one to reach the Final 4. Wonder what Ralph's and David's takes are on this one?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
I am close to the vest on this one.   ;)

It is on a neutral floor miles and miles away from home.

Coaches Butterfield and Palombo are best friends from their VWC days.  Either Dave McHugh or Chris Condit mentioned that Coach Butterfield was the first to congratulate Coach Palombo (big hug) after the win.

That has to be fun for both families.

In the spirit of pure amateur athletics, you want to play your best, go at one another as hard as you can, and then enjoy the spirit and fun of the experience of the game.

That being said, I throw out the first game's results.  That was a whole season ago and only three games and an exhibition into the PBS (post Ben Strong) era.

I don't think that the Capital game physically tasked too many UTD players.  Temaine Wright had to sit for critical minutes of the second half.  I am concerned about how much Tyler Sanborn has left in the gas tank.  I thought that UTD could run with JCU, but I also thought that the Capital matchup was the better "OAC long road trip matchup" for UTD, and I thought that Guilford would match better against JCU than they would versus Capital.

UTD has two gears.  Against ASC small fast up-tempo teams, they can take down the tempo to take those teams out of their games.  This year, UTD matched up well against the traditional strong post play team like UMHB.  UTD's uptempo is not a Grinnell or a E&H up-tempo, but the fast guards Wright, Lowery and Greene are as fine a trio as there are in the country. (Ernie Lowery is a grad student in Accounting and Infomration Management and CoSIDA District 6 All-Academic player.)  Dave Mchugh and Chris Condit commented how far out that UTD stretched their 1-3-1 zone last pm.

Guilford has more playoff experience, but I like UTD's chance.  You look for luck (when preparation meets opportunity), and good fortune to get the bracket draw that UTD did, I like UTD tonight.

UTD takes the ASC to the Final Four on a neutral court.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 14, 2009, 01:07:59 PM
I think it will be a great game.  I could see either team winning, and either team will represent well in Salem. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 14, 2009, 06:35:12 PM
Anyone looking for my live courtside updates from tonight's UTD/Guilford game should tune their dials to the ASC In-Game Updates (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5050.msg1050468#msg1050468) room.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on March 16, 2009, 08:56:55 PM
Best wishes to Jeff Coleman. He has had a great run with the Polar Bears. It will be a great opportunity for whoever steps in. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 16, 2009, 09:28:37 PM
WashU33Fan is referring to this bit of news:

Jeff Coleman Stepping Down (http://www-new.onu.edu/athletics/archive/jeff_coleman_stepping_down_as_head_men_s_basketball_coach_at_ohio_northern)

My best wishes to Coach Coleman as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 20, 2009, 10:31:19 AM
Nate Stahl is named Great Lakes region POY and Damon Goodwin COY by NABC.  Here is a link:

http://www.capital.edu/24615/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on March 22, 2009, 01:21:25 PM
Any news or educated guesses about the possible replacement for Jeff Coleman at ONU ?? How about Jody May at Albion? He is a former player with head coaching experience.  I wonder if Tony Gholson regrets leaving last year for the Berg. Maybe he could have been in the running for the ONU job.  Do you think he would want to leave Berg after only one year to return to ONU?  Another former player with head coaching experience if that is what they are looking for. Northern is a great job and will generate a lot of interest. Anyone presently on the staff that would have a chance to get the job??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 22, 2009, 01:58:22 PM
Quote from: bouncer1 on March 22, 2009, 01:21:25 PM
Any news or educated guesses about the possible replacement for Jeff Coleman at ONU ?? How about Jody May at Albion? He is a former player with head coaching experience.  I wonder if Tony Gholson regrets leaving last year for the Berg. Maybe he could have been in the running for the ONU job.  Do you think he would want to leave Berg after only one year to return to ONU?  Another former player with head coaching experience if that is what they are looking for. Northern is a great job and will generate a lot of interest. Anyone presently on the staff that would have a chance to get the job??
My understanding is that Mike Turner went to a lot of trouble to ensure that Jody May became his replacement at Albion.  I doubt he'd jump ship after just one year if that were the case.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: 13wapiti on April 28, 2009, 11:30:46 AM
Any word on who the finalists are for the new Polar Bear coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: onefan on May 03, 2009, 09:37:18 PM
The search continues. The first group of applicants did not meet the President's standards.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on May 26, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
http://www-new.onu.edu/athletics/archive/john_rhodes_named_head_mens_basketball_coach_at_ohio_northern

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 22, 2009, 04:03:23 PM
I know it's summer time, but I didn't see this mentioned yet...

OC's Reynolds inducted into Ohio Basketball HOF (http://www.otterbein.edu/athletics/Mbasketball/mbasketball.htm)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 22, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
JCU ranked #2 in the d3hoops.com poll!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: MUCheats on October 26, 2009, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: Toph on October 22, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
JCU ranked #2 in the d3hoops.com poll!   ;D

I think the top 11 scorers from last year's Sweet 16 squad are all returning, so expectations are going to be high.  It's going to be a fun season and one that I think could be something special for the Blue Streaks!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on November 05, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
OAC preseason coaches polls have been announced. JCU clear favorite. Cap tied for 3rd?? I dont see it. They graduated nearly their entire team. Wilmington is the second place pick. Three nice seniors, if B Rogers is healthy. Lack of depth. ONU looks good as always. I got them second. 'Etta maybe the leader of the middle of the pack. OC could be back as a worthy opponent, dont really see them 8th. The Mount was hit hard by graduation as was Muskingum.

So here goes.........

1. JCU.....easy choice
2. ONU...close call here with Wilmington
3. Wilmington...Now is the time for the Quakes
4. Marietta...Can the young guys keep progressing?
5. OC.....Lost no one to graduation. OAC leading scorer back.
6. Baldwin Wallace...Can they replace Bene?
7. Capital...How fast can the Crusaders rebuild?
8. Heidelberg...still building
9. Mt Union....Hit hard by graduation
10. Muskingum....looking to rebuild.

LETS GET SOME CHATTER GOING HERE..........
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 05, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Is it me, or does the OAC seem a little down as a whole?  JCU appears to clearly be the best team in the conference and I don't really see anyone that could rise up and challenge them.  Northern and Wilmington are solid teams that I too would slot in behind JCU.  But beyond that, the usual depth we see from the OAC just doesn't appear to be there.

Of course, these are just the opinions of an outside observer.  But I do try to follow at least the upper tiered teams from the OAC because they'll usually ending up crossing paths with Wooster somewhere along the postseason trail.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on November 10, 2009, 09:00:34 PM
I think you can look at last years graduating seniors and think the incoming freshman can never take their place. But, that not really the case. The remaining starters and the improving subs from last year take their place and last years freshman are now a year older and many more are ready to contribute. All this solidifies the great competiton year in and year out of the OAC.

THE NAMES AND FACES CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR, BUT THE COMPETITION IS PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS THE SAME.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on November 10, 2009, 10:37:43 PM
Any John Carroll fans making the trip to Olivet for Sunday's game?

If you can't make it, I will have livestats. You can get the link on the scoreboard page off D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 11, 2009, 08:50:24 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on November 10, 2009, 09:00:34 PM
I think you can look at last years graduating seniors and think the incoming freshman can never take their place. But, that not really the case. The remaining starters and the improving subs from last year take their place and last years freshman are now a year older and many more are ready to contribute. All this solidifies the great competiton year in and year out of the OAC.

THE NAMES AND FACES CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR, BUT THE COMPETITION IS PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS THE SAME.

This is true, but I'm just speaking from the perspective that the OAC doesn't appear to be nearly as deep as in years past.  Usually, you could always count on at least the top 4 teams (JCU, ONU, Cap and B-W) slugging it out for the conference and a couple of middle tier teams throwing a wrench in things every now and again.  But this year, JCU seems to be head and shoulders above the rest.  Cap lost a lot of talent and you don't just replace that talent with bench players and freshmen and expect to be at the level they have been at for the past couple of years.  ONU appears to be solid and should pose a threat to contend with JCU.  And Wilmington, while appearing to be ready to challenge for the OAC, has never been consistent enough, IMO, to get over the hump.  Who knows.  Maybe this is their year to get it done, but I just don't see it.  B-W seems to have fallen off significantly and I really don't know too much about the rest of the league to base an opinion but I don't really see any teams that I haven't covered as being conference contenders.

The main point of my OP on this subject was not to say that the OAC won't have good teams.  I just think the number of those good teams is down a bit from what we are used to seeing from the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on November 12, 2009, 01:26:58 AM
You are correct Scots Fan.... the OAC is as down as it's ever been. While JCU was good last year they should not have gone through the conference like they did with so many young players. JCU reminds me of the deep Otterbein teams in early 2000's. Your also correct B-W has fallen of the map! I hear Sheldon got some solid freshmen and Scott Voiers from COW transfered. Not sure how much he'll help - likes to shoot a lot and suspect defender. Kyle Brown going to have to carry the load. Noticed Louis Tumblin is not on roster?? Not sure what happened there but Louis would have been a big part of the YellowJacket team this year as a senior. I saw B-W 3-4x times last year and they were horrific!!!! For what it's worth.... here's my pre-season picks.
1. Easy JCU
2. ONU new coach new system?? Always talent in ADA
3. Wilmington B. Rogers is tough, different style of play
4. Marietta have been building & last yrs freshmen are more like jrs. after last yr.
5. Capital - Damon Goodwin will have them ready to compete
6. B-W cant bE worst than last yr. especially considering da conference drop off & lighter nonconf. schedule
7. Otterbein - Reynolds best coach in league
8. Muskingum - 2nd hardest job in conference (#1 Etta)
9. Mt. Union - it's been 6 yrs of losing in Alliance that wont change anytime soon
10. Heidelberg - How they did as well as they did last yr is mind boggling -kudos to Coach Gholson for the job he did w lil talent.

Here's to another year of OAC basketball!!!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on November 18, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
Wow.....Is B Rogers  hurt???? He didnt show up at all in the box score....If so, I want a mulligan on my picks. Without Rogers, move Wilmington down in the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 19, 2009, 07:37:28 PM
Despite a win in the home opener, it looks like it's going to be a long year in Alliance.  If they continue their recent pattern the Raiders are due for a single digit win total this year.  Then next year, a safe return to double digits (but still below .500, obviously).  Even with the OAC possibly being down a little this year I also doubt that they will snap their streak of finishing 6-12 or worse in the OAC (currently at 4 straight seasons).  Clearly my expectations are low, so I hope some young guys step up and serve me a plate of crow.  I will happily eat it if it means some young talent is emerging to help out Pellerite.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on November 21, 2009, 12:01:49 AM
How down is the OAC? Well for a conference that use to win the majority of it's nonconference games including it's cellar dwellers they went 1-6 tonight. Thomas More beats Otterbein by 14??!! Guess that Nat. Title is long gone. Marietta who is suppose to be up and coming lost by 28 albeit to an always solid Nazareth. Muskie loses to Mt. ST. Joe's! Has the Heartland become better than the OAC? Been beating them last couple yrs. Berg loses to tough St. Thomas squad - but by 37?? Hiram beats B-W?? Polars Bears lose to McMurray?? This is not a good sign for the OAC! When was the last time Hiram beat an OAC team much less B-W?? Will B-W and Otterbein be as bad as they were last year?? Looks like it's up to JCU to carry the OAC torch. When Ott., B-W, and ONU are losing the OAC is not what it was just a couple yrs. ago. I thought league was down last yr!! This yr. may be even worse!! Looking forward to catching early JCU vs B-W matchup Dec. 5th. though I dont think it will be much of a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 02:23:57 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on November 21, 2009, 12:01:49 AMPolars Bears lose to McMurray??

It's McMurry, the Texas school that's always good, not MacMurray, the Illinois school that's never good. And the Polar Bears lost in overtime. No shame in that loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 21, 2009, 09:40:36 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on November 21, 2009, 12:01:49 AM
When was the last time Hiram beat an OAC team much less B-W??

This isn't your same old Hiram either.  They swept Witt last season in NCAC play.  They finished 3rd in the NCAC last year and they returned 3 starters and 9 letterwinners from last year's squad. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2009, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 02:23:57 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on November 21, 2009, 12:01:49 AMPolars Bears lose to McMurray??

It's McMurry, the Texas school that's always good, not MacMurray, the Illinois school that's never good. And the Polar Bears lost in overtime. No shame in that loss.
Thanks for the props, Gregory!   :)  +1!

The ASC is a big 15-team conference that basically has a "play-in" game for the bid.  The conference has an 8-team tourney (four from each division)  for one bid.  That UT-Dallas that lost in OT to Guilford in 2009 Elite 8 was the survivor in the conference.  McMurry beat UT-Dallas in the regular season last year.

The top half of the ASC is comparable to the top half in the second tier of conferences, just beyond the UAA/CCIW/WIAC/OAC/whoever group.

ONU saw an athletic team that went 12 deep into the bench, with a lot of pressing and uptempo play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 23, 2009, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on November 21, 2009, 09:40:36 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on November 21, 2009, 12:01:49 AM
When was the last time Hiram beat an OAC team much less B-W??

This isn't your same old Hiram either.  They swept Witt last season in NCAC play.  They finished 3rd in the NCAC last year and they returned 3 starters and 9 letterwinners from last year's squad. 

No disrespect to Hiram intended...it isn't the BW of old.  They look like quite a mess.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: inthecrease on November 23, 2009, 01:54:31 PM
is sam king playing this year for the raiders? he is on the roster but i havent seen him in any boxscore yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 23, 2009, 11:44:18 PM
Quote from: inthecrease on November 23, 2009, 01:54:31 PM
is sam king playing this year for the raiders? he is on the roster but i havent seen him in any boxscore yet?

I was wondering the same thing.  He hasn't even set foot on the floor yet.  I wonder if he's banged up? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 25, 2009, 09:55:47 AM
Quote from: Toph on November 23, 2009, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on November 21, 2009, 09:40:36 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on November 21, 2009, 12:01:49 AM
When was the last time Hiram beat an OAC team much less B-W??

This isn't your same old Hiram either.  They swept Witt last season in NCAC play.  They finished 3rd in the NCAC last year and they returned 3 starters and 9 letterwinners from last year's squad. 

No disrespect to Hiram intended...it isn't the BW of old.  They look like quite a mess.
I wasn't taking it as disrespect.  I know that B-W is way down compared to where they were at the beginning of the decade.  I was just pointing out that losing to Hiram isn't quite as shocking as it was just a few short years ago.












Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 25, 2009, 09:02:18 PM
Are we sure this isn't the same old Hiram?  MUC was up 17 at half and cruised to a 75-60 win over the Terriers.  And this IS the same old MUC.  On a high note, maybe at least a split with BW is in the cards this year.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 25, 2009, 09:23:06 PM
Hiram is nothing if not inconsistent.  Last year they dropped a stinkbomb at Franciscan (http://www.hiram.edu/athletics/stats/m-basketball/hirm1205.htm), of all places; the Barons only won three other times, only one of which was a D3 game, and Massey rated it first or second on the list of unlikeliest results for all of D3.  Ah, well.  At least now you have something to be thankful for.  :) 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 25, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
True, true....I am thankful my Raiders won, DC.  I will remember that tomorrow!  It really is the little things.  Also, we may need to look into scheduling Franciscan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 26, 2009, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 25, 2009, 09:02:18 PM
Are we sure this isn't the same old Hiram?  MUC was up 17 at half and cruised to a 75-60 win over the Terriers.  And this IS the same old MUC.  On a high note, maybe at least a split with BW is in the cards this year.   
Leave it to me to talk up Hiram and then look what they go and do...  :P   ;) 

Happy Thanksgiving OAC posters! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on November 30, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
If the early season results are any indication, it looks like my Crusaders may struggle this year.  I mean, you don't lose Nate Stahl and everyone else they did and get better, but I thought they had the personnel coming back to be decent.  A loss to Etta is a bad sign...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 30, 2009, 11:43:15 AM
Quote from: JK on November 30, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
If the early season results are any indication, it looks like my Crusaders may struggle this year.  I mean, you don't lose Nate Stahl and everyone else they did and get better, but I thought they had the personnel coming back to be decent.  A loss to Etta is a bad sign...

JCU didn't look unbeatable Sunday.  I realize it was against a very good Wooster team, and JCU is still the heavy favorite in the conference, but...anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on December 02, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 30, 2009, 11:43:15 AM
Quote from: JK on November 30, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
If the early season results are any indication, it looks like my Crusaders may struggle this year.  I mean, you don't lose Nate Stahl and everyone else they did and get better, but I thought they had the personnel coming back to be decent.  A loss to Etta is a bad sign...

JCU didn't look unbeatable Sunday.  I realize it was against a very good Wooster team, and JCU is still the heavy favorite in the conference, but...anything can happen.

Also, it's early in the year.  Hopefully, they'll fix that whole missing easy layups and foul shots problem quickly.

I wish I had the stats... I'd like to know if our 3-point percentage was higher than their shots-in-the-paint percentage, because I could swear it was. 

On the other hand, it's great to have a solid three point game... that could be the answer to the problem with our smaller size.  We haven't had what I'd call a knock-down three-point shooter since J. J. Richardson.  (Am I dating myself?)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 02, 2009, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: jcu_fan on December 02, 2009, 01:41:54 PM

I wish I had the stats... I'd like to know if our 3-point percentage was higher than their shots-in-the-paint percentage, because I could swear it was. 

JCU only shot 33% from deep in the Wooster game.  While I don't have a breakdown of how many shots were missed inside the paint, JCU's shooting percentage on non-3-point shots was around 48%.

Box Score (http://www3.wooster.edu/athletics/MensBasketball/stats/2009-10/woom1129.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 02, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: jcu_fan on December 02, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: Toph on November 30, 2009, 11:43:15 AM
Quote from: JK on November 30, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
If the early season results are any indication, it looks like my Crusaders may struggle this year.  I mean, you don't lose Nate Stahl and everyone else they did and get better, but I thought they had the personnel coming back to be decent.  A loss to Etta is a bad sign...

JCU didn't look unbeatable Sunday.  I realize it was against a very good Wooster team, and JCU is still the heavy favorite in the conference, but...anything can happen.

Also, it's early in the year.  Hopefully, they'll fix that whole missing easy layups and foul shots problem quickly.

I wish I had the stats... I'd like to know if our 3-point percentage was higher than their shots-in-the-paint percentage, because I could swear it was. 

On the other hand, it's great to have a solid three point game... that could be the answer to the problem with our smaller size.  We haven't had what I'd call a knock-down three-point shooter since J. J. Richardson.  (Am I dating myself?)

Historically, Mike Moran led teams haven't been very good free throw shooters as a whole.  I don't know that it's a huge point of emphasis in his practices, he's just as likely to end a practice with a half court shooting contest as a free throw shooting drill.  I don't knock it, because he's won 312 more games as a college head coach than I have. 

I don't know that a three point game will solve all the potential post problems.  Crozier plays bigger than his size, and he moves pretty well around the basket, but when they run into a team of significant size, it'll will cause match up problems on both sides of the floor.  Not to say they can't win despite the fact that no one is listed over 6'4", but they have an uphill battle if and when tournament time comes.

I agree with you, however, in your appreciation of the three point game.  It's nice to have a couple of guys who can really hit the deep ball. 

I don't know if you need to go as far back as J.J. Richardson.  In '02 the Streaks had a trio of guys who could nail it from deep.  Jason Pecjak (32-68, 47%), Chris Jaklich (61-162, 37%), and Jerry Angel (31-74, 42%).  You may recall that was the team that kind of came out of nowhere (picked to finish middle of the pack in the OAC) to make the NCAA tourney)  Angel went on to shoot 38% the following season on many more attempts.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 02, 2009, 09:40:52 PM
And so it begins....Etta beats Cap in the OAC opener...then falls 63-60 at MUC tonight.  It's the 1st full week of OAC play and I'm already confused! 

p.s. Glad to see the Raiders pull out the W even with Pellerite not having a good night (5 pts).  They had 5 guys in double figures tonight so they're showing they have multiple options on that end of the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 03, 2009, 01:42:47 AM
Looks like the battle of Columbus on Saturday is gonna be for last place. The good news is they play each other twice, might be each others only hope for a win. When was the last time OC and Cap started the season a combined 0-8 ??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 03, 2009, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on December 03, 2009, 01:42:47 AM
Looks like the battle of Columbus on Saturday is gonna be for last place. The good news is they play each other twice, might be each others only hope for a win. When was the last time OC and Cap started the season a combined 0-8 ??
Ouch!  That's a very good question!  Looks like slim pickins in C'bus this year!

On the bright side, at least one of them will crack the win column on Saturday...  :P   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 03, 2009, 09:32:44 AM
JCU rolls, 96-73, leading by as many as 34 points over BW in Berea.  Didn't get a chance to see this one, but it's worth noting that BW struggled from three just like Wooster, shooting 4-21.  JCU shot 10-19 from three, and 60% overall.  4 Streaks in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: inthecrease on December 04, 2009, 12:00:30 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 02, 2009, 09:40:52 PM
And so it begins....Etta beats Cap in the OAC opener...then falls 63-60 at MUC tonight.  It's the 1st full week of OAC play and I'm already confused! 

p.s. Glad to see the Raiders pull out the W even with Pellerite not having a good night (5 pts).  They had 5 guys in double figures tonight so they're showing they have multiple options on that end of the floor.

Thats the big advantage of having sam king back. If Pellerite has a rough night, they have another option to help them score
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on December 04, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
UGGGHHHH!  >:(

That's all I have to say....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 06, 2009, 05:27:48 PM
Cheer up JK...you guys beat the Otters!!  Yes, I'm sure you're going to tell me that they're 0-6 so that's nothing to be that happy about, but we both know you smile when Cap beats the Otters in ANYTHING.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2009, 11:24:51 PM
Forgot to mention, Sat. against Muskie, JCU led by as many as 24 in the 2nd half...70-46 with 4:06 remaining in the game.  Muskingum ends up losing 76-66!  Talk about a furious comeback!

Wasn't at this one, but from the looks of things both coaches emptied their benches.  JCU once again forces over 20 TO's and shuts down the perimeter shooting, Muskingum was just 4-22 from three.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 07, 2009, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: Toph on December 06, 2009, 11:24:51 PM
Forgot to mention, Sat. against Muskie, JCU led by as many as 24 in the 2nd half...70-46 with 4:06 remaining in the game.  Muskingum ends up losing 76-66!  Talk about a furious comeback!

Wasn't at this one, but from the looks of things both coaches emptied their benches.
  JCU once again forces over 20 TO's and shuts down the perimeter shooting, Muskingum was just 4-22 from three.

That's the impression I got from the game recap of this one.  Musky went on an 11-1 run to end the game to make the score look closer than it actually was.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on December 09, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Whoa, Mount Union men sneak up on John Carroll
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 09, 2009, 11:04:30 PM
Wow, I did NOT see that one coming!  Congrats to the Raiders.  Big, BIG win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: inthecrease on December 09, 2009, 11:20:08 PM
big win for the raiders and a nice 4 game home win streak. i guess there is a difference between the old Timken Gym and the new McPhearson Academics and Athletics Center
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 10, 2009, 08:50:33 AM
Yikes.

Shooting 50% from the free throw line is going to kill this team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 11, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
I really don't know what to think about Mt Union beating JCU, esp considering Mt Union lost to Marygrove earlier this year.  Marygrove is a pretty weak outfit from Detroit every year. :-\

very confusing.

Incidently, the top 4 teams in the OAC meet this weekend.

Mt Union/Ohio Northern
JCU/Wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 11, 2009, 03:33:46 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
I really don't know what to think about Mt Union beating JCU, esp considering Mt Union lost to Marygrove earlier this year.  Marygrove is a pretty weak outfit from Detroit every year. :-\

very confusing.

Incidently, the top 4 teams in the OAC meet this weekend.

Mt Union/Ohio Northern
JCU/Wilmington

I don't expect JCU to shoot that badly very often.  It's tough to win them all...

Considering how badly the Streaks shot from the field in general, three, and the line...and still to only lose by 5 says a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: KnightSlappy on December 12, 2009, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: sac on December 11, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
I really don't know what to think about Mt Union beating JCU, esp considering Mt Union lost to Marygrove earlier this year.  Marygrove is a pretty weak outfit from Detroit every year. :-\

very confusing.

Incidently, the top 4 teams in the OAC meet this weekend.

Mt Union/Ohio Northern
JCU/Wilmington

Incidently, they both look like fantastic games! JCU and Wilmington are heading into the third OT, and Mt. Union leads ONU by 2 with just about 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 12, 2009, 09:36:24 PM
Wilmington 107 John Carroll 105 3OT

Mt. Union 64 Ohio Northern 58


So the pre-season OAC favorite already has 2 conference losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on December 13, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
OAC appears to up for grabs
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 14, 2009, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: seventiesraider on December 13, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
OAC appears to up for grabs
It just wouldn't be the OAC if that weren't the case now would it?   :P   ;) 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 14, 2009, 12:54:31 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 14, 2009, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: seventiesraider on December 13, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
OAC appears to up for grabs
It just wouldn't be the OAC if that weren't the case now would it?   :P   ;) 

So true, ScotsFan.  At least we can't complain that it's not entertaining!  I said I was confused after week 1...I'm more confused now than I was then. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 14, 2009, 08:31:47 PM
Looks like Wilmington rolling out to an early lead. The Quakers are riding high after knocking off JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 15, 2009, 03:04:46 PM
Look for Wilmington to continue their winning streak against the Gibbsless Cards. Last year ESPN Top 10 dunk by Justin Gaines still lingers.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 20, 2009, 02:33:51 PM
Hell hath not fury like a JCU team on a two game losing streak, apparently.  The Streaks led by double digits for all but 3 minutes yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 22, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
Not to be missed: Mt. Union at Transy is being videocast now, and the woman doing the play-by-play is eating a bag of potato chips while she's broadcasting.  It's hysterical, in a ridiculously unprofessional sort of way.  http://www.pennatlantic.com/

UPDATE:  Transylvania (munch, munch) holds off Mt. (chomp, chomp) Union, 72-63 (smack, smack).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 02, 2010, 04:24:40 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 20, 2009, 02:33:51 PM
Hell hath not fury like a JCU team on a two game losing streak, apparently.  The Streaks led by double digits for all but 3 minutes yesterday.
Now that #9 JCU's got another 2-game losing streak and they're 7-4 versus DIII teams, will they even stay in the Top 25?  I suspected their preseason Top 2 spot was a bit inflated, but I don't think anyone expected them to have four losses before the season was half over.  Are there injuries or other issues in Univerity Heights that can explain the recent 4 of 5 dive?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 02, 2010, 05:32:19 PM
Bethany 85 JCU 63   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2010, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2010, 05:32:19 PM
Bethany 85 JCU 63   :o
Denison took Bethany to double OT (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4200.msg1151144#msg1151144).  Denison!  My world makes no sense now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 03, 2010, 12:48:24 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 22, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
Not to be missed: Mt. Union at Transy is being videocast now, and the woman doing the play-by-play is eating a bag of potato chips while she's broadcasting.  It's hysterical, in a ridiculously unprofessional sort of way.  http://www.pennatlantic.com/

UPDATE:  Transylvania (munch, munch) holds off Mt. (chomp, chomp) Union, 72-63 (smack, smack).
Maybe they were computer chips.  Too bad they weren't playing F&M.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 09, 2010, 04:57:01 PM
Wilmington 79 Heidelberg 66........Quakers now have a 2 game lead in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2010, 05:04:02 PM
It'd be nice to see Wilmington go on a good championship run, giving the townspeople something to cheer about.  That town has been as hard-hit by the recession as any in America, a real economic disaster area. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 09, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752321n&tag=related;photovideo

I once drove from Cincinnati to Columbus late at night, and was mesmerized by all the lights from jets heading into Wilmington.  Probably 3 dozen all over the air.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 09, 2010, 09:39:39 PM
John Carroll is certainly having an exciting few weeks.

JCU 99 Capital 93 OT

other scores,

ONU 67 Marietta 64
BW 60 Muskingum 58
Otterbein 63 Mt. Union 48

at the top of the OAC

Wilmington 7-0
John Carroll 5-2
Heidelberg 5-2
Ohio Northern 4-2


Heidelberg visits JCU Wed night.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on January 10, 2010, 12:45:51 PM
Other than Wilmington at the top and Muskingum at the bottom....the rest of the teams are capable of beatin each other..

For example.......Mount Union beats JCU...JCU slaughters Otterbein.....Otterbein destroys Mount Union...

Nearing the midway of conference play....I got Brian Pollock, Kyle Meyer and Tyler White as the 3 best players in the conference. White plays rugged defense, very athletic and can score. Meyer has a very good inside game and Pollock is a big scoring threat every night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 13, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
Come on billy, don't underestimate MUC's ability to play to their opponent's level....like tonight when they brought Musky out of your "incapable of winning" group by losing to the Fish at home 83-77.  (Sigh)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 14, 2010, 02:01:26 AM
Well, it truly does show how much parity exists in the OAC.  No one is unbeatable now with Cap knocking off Wilmington.  In a battle at the bottom of the conference, Coach Reynolds continues to think he can win with 6 players as Marietta hammers Otterbein in the second half. JCU continues their struggle with another conference loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on January 14, 2010, 02:14:06 AM
Stevie, I was at that Marietta game. OC was 1-17 from behind the arc and worn out in the second half. Coach R coulda used my mini van to bring the guys he played and left all those big guys back at the campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 14, 2010, 03:54:03 PM
Last night's OAC scores

Ohio Northern    78   Baldwin-Wallace    68            
Capital    78   Wilmington    73      
Muskingum    83   Mount Union    77      
Heidelberg    85   John Carroll    81         
Marietta    69   Otterbein    55

and the standings

Wilmington 7-1
Ohio Norther 6-2
Heidelberg 5-2
John Carroll 5-3
Bald Wally 4-4

..its just got interesting again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 16, 2010, 05:12:58 PM
More OAC fun this weekend

JCU absolutely clubbed the Polar Bears, 92-59
Marietta beat Wilmington 74-57
Mt. Union nipped Capital 68-66

H'berg 71 Muskingum 69

Wilmington's 2 game lead has now vanished in the span of 2 games.  JCU is suddenly 1 game back now.....and Heidelberg is tied in the loss column with their win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 16, 2010, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: sac on January 16, 2010, 05:12:58 PM
More OAC fun this weekend

JCU absolutely clubbed the Polar Bears, 92-59
Marietta beat Wilmington 74-57
Mt. Union nipped Capital 68-66

H'berg 71 Muskingum 69

Wilmington's 2 game lead has now vanished in the span of 2 games.  JCU is suddenly 1 game back now.....and Heidelberg is tied in the loss column with their win.
Don't you just love the OAC???  :P

The first question I have is how is Heide doing this?  Were they even voted to finish in the top 4 of the OAC?

Also, first JCU seemingly falls apart while Wilma races out to the early 2 game lead.  And before you can say that Wilma is running away with the OAC, the Quakers look like they are on the verge of falling apart losing 2 in a row and bringing Heide and JCU right back in the race.

What's going to happen next?  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2010, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 16, 2010, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: sac on January 16, 2010, 05:12:58 PM
More OAC fun this weekend

JCU absolutely clubbed the Polar Bears, 92-59
Marietta beat Wilmington 74-57
Mt. Union nipped Capital 68-66

H'berg 71 Muskingum 69

Wilmington's 2 game lead has now vanished in the span of 2 games.  JCU is suddenly 1 game back now.....and Heidelberg is tied in the loss column with their win.
Don't you just love the OAC???  :P

The first question I have is how is Heide doing this?  Were they even voted to finish in the top 4 of the OAC?

Also, first JCU seemingly falls apart while Wilma races out to the early 2 game lead.  And before you can say that Wilma is running away with the OAC, the Quakers look like they are on the verge of falling apart losing 2 in a row and bringing Heide and JCU right back in the race.

What's going to happen next?  :P

Nope.

OAC Preseason Coaches' Poll
1.  John Carroll (9) – 81
2.  Wilmington - 62
3.  Ohio Northern - 58
3.  Capital (1) - 58
5.  Marietta - 49
6.  Baldwin-Wallce - 48
7.  Heidelberg - 41
8.  Otterbein - 21
9.  Mount Union - 20
10.  Muskingum - 12
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 21, 2010, 12:09:43 AM
Just the one OAC score tonight ...........and of course its an upset

Capital 68 Heidelberg 55


Wilmington 7-2
Ohio Norther 6-3
Heidelberg 6-3
John Carroll 6-3
Bald Wally 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 21, 2010, 08:13:34 PM
Well, its the halfway point of conference play. Looks like da 'Burg is the only surprise......Time for Wilmington to get FOCUSED back on the things that got em off to that great start. All the teams chasing, might need a tweek here or there to move up the ladder. At the bottom, Otterbein needs to CHANGE their support group to help Pollock and Ratai and Muskington needs someone to STEPUP if they wanna get outta the cellar.

BAD SHOTS ARE THE SAME AS A TURNOVER.......BOB KNIGHT

You always wonder what the 2 big blocks near each basket are intended for.....Highest percentage shots are taken there.............Kevin McHale

The 3 point line is for REAL shooters.........Larry Bird
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 23, 2010, 05:05:32 PM
All 4 at top of the OAC win this weekend in various fashions.......

Wilmington 67 Bald Wally 62
Heidelberg 76 Mt. Union 70
John Carroll 70 Marietta 67
Ohio Northern 71 Otterbein 61

at last look Capital was beating Muskingum by 13 with 1 min to play.


Wilmington 8-2
JCU 7-3
Heidelberg 7-3
Ohio Northern 7-3
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 27, 2010, 09:34:25 PM
Wed's OAC scores

Capital 82 Ohio Northern 71
John Carroll 80 Bald Wally 67
Mt. Union 65 Marietta 62
Wilmington 82 Muskingum 62
Heidelberg 88 Otterbein 76   

Wilmington 9-2
JCU 8-3
Heidelberg 8-3
Ohio Northern 7-4

         
   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 27, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
I watched the JCU-BW game on STO tonight after going to the Wooster game.  John Carroll was down 16 points at one point in the 1st half to BW!  That's a 29 point turnaround!  Yikes!  :o

Whatever Coach Moran said to his kids at the half obviously worked!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on January 28, 2010, 12:30:08 AM
Scots Fan,

Yikes is right! A 31 pt. turnaround!!! I sat there and thought to myself, B-W is really getting better. The first time they played they took horrible shots, played zero defense, and turned the ball over. In the 1st half tonight B-W only turned it over a few times, did not give up lay-up after lay-up, and moved the ball well in their motion game. Cabil, Meeder, Ameen, Voiers, Hoseholder,& Schmidt are good young players. It was a whole different game the second half! It looked just like the first time they played!! JCU shot lay-ups & uncontested 3's. B-W turned it over right in front of the JCU basket at least 5 times!! Bad shot selection, horrendous defense, and pressure that forced Cabil to play out of control and over penetrate doomed the Jackets. That and when JCU did a whole sale substituttion and B-W came with it's subs the game quickly became a BlueStreak of layups & 3's. With 5 starters sitting on the bench and B-W up 7 that lead disappeared in 5 minutes (from about the 16 to the 11 minute mark) and the streaks never looked back! There was a stretch run of 20 unanswered points by JCU.... I guess thats what u call a Bluestreak!! B-W played JCU style and it cost them the game. Not sure that was the best coaching decision. On the other hand, I'm sure Moran fired up the troops at the half with a few choice words. Will this spur them to continued success? Guess we'll find out.

On another note, what's up with Capital? Saw them earlier in year and they were awful! Now they beat ONU? The Berg continues to be conference cinderella, and Mt. wins a game??? I guess its just another yr. in the OAC - wild & unpredictable!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 30, 2010, 05:30:49 PM
Well, we have another tie atop the OAC standings as Wilmington loses at MUC and JCU edges Musky in OT to forge a two-way tie.  Both teams are now 9-3 in conference play.

Heide also lost in OT at ONU so they slip a game back and are now in a tie for 2nd with ONU at 8-4. 

Cap can improve to 7-5 with a win over crosstown rival Ott tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 30, 2010, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 30, 2010, 05:30:49 PM
Well, we have another tie atop the OAC standings as Wilmington loses at MUC and JCU edges Musky in OT to forge a two-way tie.  Both teams are now 9-3 in conference play.

Heide also lost in OT at ONU so they slip a game back and are now in a tie for 2nd with ONU at 8-4. 

Cap can improve to 7-5 with a win over crosstown rival Ott tonight.

nope.........Otterbein 86 Capital 83
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 30, 2010, 10:26:18 PM
The Saturday OAC update

Mt. Union 75 Wilmington 65
Ohio Northern 92 Heidelberg 87 OT
John Carroll 92 Muskingum 89 OT.........JCU games are always fun this year
Otterbein 86 Capital 83
Bald Wally 83 Marietta 73


Wilmington 9-3
John Carroll 9-3
Heidelberg 8-4
Ohio Northern 8-4


JCU/Wilmington tied at the top just in-time for next Saturday's showdown in Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 03, 2010, 11:01:01 PM
Wednesday's scores

John Carroll 96 Mt. Union 67
Wilmington 84 Otterbein 74
Capital 76 Marietta 69
Ohio Northern 69 Muskingum 57
Bald-Wally 77 Heidelberg 76 OT

Wilmington 10-3
John Carroll 10-3
Ohio Northern 9-4
Heidelberg 8-5


monster loss for Heidelberg, but the big Wilmington/John Carroll clash on Saturday remains big.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 03, 2010, 11:42:46 PM
I flipped on the MUC/JCU game, saw it was 25-5 and turned the channel.  So much for watching the Raiders on STO.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 06, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
Just two scores from the OAC, I assume the other games scheduled for Sunday were today's cancellations.  JCU now leads the OAC.

John Carroll 82 Wilmington 77
Capital 74 Bald-Wally 60

John Carroll 11-3
Wilmington 10-4
Ohio Northern 9-4
Heidelberg 8-5
Capital 8-6
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 11, 2010, 12:33:56 AM
TIRED LEGS, NO DEFENSE AND POOR COACHING DOOMS OTTERBEIN ONCE AGAIN....Coach Reynolds cannot seem to figure out that you cannot win OAC games with 6 players. Once again the Cards lose in the latter part of the second half despite another career high by sharpshooter Nathan Edick.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 11, 2010, 12:44:51 PM
Only 3 games played last night in the OAC.

As ste24vie touched on, JCU won it's 7th straight and remain atop the OAC as they outlasted Ott in a defensive oriented game, 103-93.   ::)    :P   ;)

And in the game of the night, MUC survives BW 84-82 in 2OT.

Also, Etta could have given themselves some breathing room in the battle for the 8th seed in the OAC tourney, but they lost to lowly Musky 71-64 meaning that Ott is still only a game behind the Pios for that last post-season birth.

Wilmington @ ONU was postponed as was Cap @ Heide.  Both games were rescheduled for tonight @ 7:30.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 11, 2010, 05:12:57 PM
I am not sure of the tie breaking system...I presume heads up is first ....If OC beats Marietta(they play on Wednesday), there could be a tie, with each winning their home game. Next tie breaker I dont know. I certainly didnt think at the beginning of the season these 2 teams would battle for a chance to get thumped by the #1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 12, 2010, 11:04:52 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 11, 2010, 12:44:51 PM

As ste24vie touched on, JCU won it's 7th straight and remain atop the OAC as they outlasted Ott in a defensive oriented game, 103-93.   ::)    :P   ;)


My only complaint about that is that JCU wasn't at home.  We would have gotten free chips and salsa!

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 13, 2010, 08:55:33 PM
Watched JCU beat Capital on TV this afternoon.  Hard fought close game all the way.

The no call on Capital's shot to win it was terrible......and slowmo replay confirmed it.  JCU was fortunate to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 14, 2010, 12:58:55 AM
Please Santa, is it too late to ask for a new coach ?????  The train wreck continues for Otterbein...After beating Mount Union by 15 at home, the Cards take a beating at the Mount. Once again, tired legs and poor(make that NO DEFENSE) catches up with OC in the second half. Come on Coach, you put a 4 in at point guard........Another year out of the conference playoffs.

OFFENSE IS PRETTY .......BUT DEFENSE WINS GAMES
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 14, 2010, 11:36:21 AM
Stevie,
I think ur complaint is misdirected somewhat. Otterbein's struggles dont come from poor coaching, Reynolds is perhaps the best coach in the OAC. The Cards problems come from a lack of recruiting effort from Coach Reynolds. To win games u have to have the horses and Otterbein clearly doesnt have em. Muskingum is in the same situation. When you have these older coaches who dont want to go recruiting, and battle the younger coaches - u end up at the bottom of the conference. Coach Ford is undoubtedly a great coach, but trying to rely on coaching contacts to get players and not out at games chasing the best talent will doom you to the bottom of the league. The OAC is as down as it's ever been. Outside of JCU - I dont see the deep talented teams of the past. I also dont see a Davis Brother, Mims, Stahl, Thompson, Oberdick, or Gibbs level talent. Of course the same could be said for the NCAC - it too is down. Any thoughts on why.?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 14, 2010, 11:55:07 AM
To validate my last post, I thought I should mention that I went on recruiting visits to Otterbein, Capital, Muskingum, Mt. Union, OWU, Wooster, Wittenberg, and B-W. (Though Coach Ford was not at Muskingum then). Cap, COW, & OWU were much different visits when it came to the involvement of Head Coaches. Just in my experience, though I was probably not a "Top Recruit" at any of these schools.

Thoughts of OAC as we head down the stretch.....
JCU will be the sole OAC NCAA tournament participant.   
Wilmington solid yr                                                             
ONU Up & down
Cap. good coaching brings em back, not enough talent around Pt g
Berg - tailed off, but better than expected.
BW - Some good young talent, cant finish games and lose large leads (23 & 18)
Mt. Union solid come back, Up & down as well
Marietta - dissapointing season, but watch out nxt yr.
Ott & Muskie.... enough said already
Any thoughts on how far the Blue Streaks can go in NCAA??? Perhaps I'm gettin a head of myself!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 14, 2010, 12:33:55 PM
Certainly, you must be thinking of a different Coach Reynolds.....The Coach Reynolds I see twice a week reminds me of inexperienced peewee coaches. OC has the best shooter in the league(Edick), Pollock is the best 2 in the conference though forced to be the point because of poor recruiting or poor development. Also, one of the better inside players(Ratai) and a big banger inside(Davis), all good offensive players but have to learn what it means to "close out", "box out", "help defense" and certainly "contain defense".  The Cards have lost numerous games at the end when it matters the most because of tired legs and foul trouble because Coach Reynolds refuses to develope his younger players. Any coach can win with great players. Good coaches can win with marginal players.

Maybe you are thinking of the Coach Reynolds in the Jeff Gibbs era.

Thanks for listening

And...."IF ITS NOT WORKING...CHANGE....." but please dont try a seldom used 4 at point guard.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 14, 2010, 11:36:21 AM
Stevie,
I think ur complaint is misdirected somewhat. Otterbein's struggles dont come from poor coaching, Reynolds is perhaps the best coach in the OAC. The Cards problems come from a lack of recruiting effort from Coach Reynolds. To win games u have to have the horses and Otterbein clearly doesnt have em.

Recruiting is a part of coaching -- in fact, many coaches argue that it's the biggest part of the job. If you're accusing Coach Reynolds of being a poor recruiter, then you're accusing him of being a poor head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 16, 2010, 08:33:34 PM
Well, if your team has to play your best player(Pollock) out of position at the point....You tell me...Is that bad recruiting or bad development or both. But, thats not the reason for losing. Fatigue, attempting to play only 6 guys leads to major fatigue. Especially, when you struggle against the press, which causes more teams to press which accelerates fatigue. Then late in the second half, tired legs and fouls begin to creep into the situation. The Cards already play poor defense, now give them tired legs and its "NO DEFENSE". The best teams go ten deep, and have their best five on the floor at the end.

The bottom line for OC is .......Finishing ninth and losing their 2 best players and counting on recruits to replace that 30+ ppg.

Being able to develop players at the D3 level is a huge plus for any program, which Coach Reynolds cannot or doesnt want to do. Seems to be hoping for a D1 player to slip through the cracks of the system.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2010, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on February 16, 2010, 08:33:34 PMThe best teams go ten deep, and have their best five on the floor at the end.

Technically, that's not really true. Of the current top five teams in the nation, the only one that plays a consistent ten-man rotation is St. Thomas. Wash U, Williams, and Guilford go nine deep each, while UWSP's rotation seems to be rather fluid and can consist of anywhere from eight to ten players on a given night.

Also, you don't necessarily want your best five overall players on the floor at the end of a game. If you're ahead by a close but not razor-thin margin, you want your best free-throw shooters and ballhandlers on the floor at the end of a game, because the other team is going to foul you every time you get the ball. If you have a one-possession lead, you want your best defenders on the floor. If you're trailing and you're in a must-score situation, you want your best scorers (most dominant post player, best penetrators, best outside shooters, or some combination thereof) on the floor. And if you're trailing by three with only enough time for one shot, you make sure that your top five perimeter threats are out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2010, 10:05:21 PM
Well, perhaps your best five for the particular situation, then.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 18, 2010, 02:43:33 AM
Musky 66, MUC 48.  Seriously?  I thought MUC was coming along.  This pretty much ends that thought.  Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 18, 2010, 10:16:36 AM
Talk about tough luck.  Cap sufferred their 2nd straight one point loss last night to Wilma.  And for the 2nd straight game, Cap had the ball with a chance to win the game and couldn't finish.  From the recap on Cap's website, it seems as though there was a questionable no-call once again involving DJ Frazier.

With JCU's win last night, they clinched their 2nd straight OAC title as Wilma is 2 back with only one to play.  The Blue Streaks host ONU in a game that could put JCU atop next week's regional rankings if they win.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 20, 2010, 10:02:01 PM
Capital 65 Mt. Union 58
John Carroll 109 Ohio Northern 83
Wilmington 73 Marietta 64
Heidelberg 86 Muskingum 82
Otterbein 67 Baldwin-Wallace 62

JCU 15-3
Wilmington 13-5
Capital 10-8
Ohio No 10-8
Bald-Wally 9-9
Heidelberg 9-9
Mount Union 9-9

I tried to figure out tie-breakers and pairings for the OAC tournament, but holy cow is it messed up.  I think I'll just wait for the press release.

**Great run by Capital to get back into the top 5 after a tough start to the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: sac on February 20, 2010, 10:02:01 PM
I tried to figure out tie-breakers and pairings for the OAC tournament, but holy cow is it messed up.  I think I'll just wait for the press release.

Here you go. (http://www.oac.org/MENbasketballOTournament.shtml)

#8 Marietta (6-12) at #1 John Carroll (15-3)
#7 Mount Union (9-9) at #2 Wilmington (13-5)
#6 Baldwin-Wallace (9-9) at #3 Capital (10-8)
#5 Heidelberg (9-9) at #4 Ohio Northern (10-8)

Otterbein and Muskingum are left to wish that they could play in the ECAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 21, 2010, 02:33:54 PM
For what its worth, IMO, no upsets this yr. in the OAC. Expecting JCU v Wilmington Final. The other teams just dont seem capable of stepping up. BW loses to Otterbein? ONU loses at home to B-W? Mt. to Muskie? Cap has come on strong and shown they can take both JCU & Wilmington to the wire, while the Berg has faded back in the pack. Guess we shall see. Anyone else - pleaz share ur predictions. Luv to read em. Best time of the yr!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 21, 2010, 03:11:26 PM
I'm not willing to predict that there will be no upsets in the OAC tournament.  Yes, JCU has been playing well and they've won 10 straight, but they haven't exactly been dominating.  Of their 10 wins, 5 have been in single digits including a two point win over 'Etta and an OT win over Musky.  They also benefited from a bad no call at the end of their game with Cap to escape that game with a one point win.  So, they have shown some vulnerability to say the least.  And Wilmington has won 3 in a row to finish out the regular season, but in their 10 games prior to that, they were only 5-5. 

Are JCU and Wilmington the favorites to make the finals?  Yes, but I just wouldn't put money on there being no upsets in an OAC tournament.  Just my opinion though...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 21, 2010, 07:22:22 PM
The key is .......JCU is clearly NOT the dominant team that the preseason polls predicted. They have  home court advantage, which is a huge factor and TEAM WORK WITH NO GREAT PLAYERS.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 23, 2010, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on February 21, 2010, 07:22:22 PM
The key is .......JCU is clearly NOT the dominant team that the preseason polls predicted. They have  home court advantage, which is a huge factor and TEAM WORK WITH NO GREAT PLAYERS.

With 1300 points and counting for his career, I might label Rudy Kirbus a great player, especially considering he's on a team that splits minutes rather equally among 12 players.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 24, 2010, 09:21:01 AM
I think Kirbus is a VERY GOOD player, maybe the coach is keeping him from all-america status with the shared playing time. I do know that Coach Reynolds at OC would play him til he couldnt breathe. Two coaches with different philosophies, one keeps em fresh and one plays em til they cant walk.....Whose seems to be working? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2010, 09:28:32 PM
#1 JCU 86, #8 Marietta 75
#2 Wilmington 71, #7 Mount Union 60
#3 Capital 84, #6 B-WC 73
#5 Heidelberg 63, #4 Ohio Northern 61

Semifinals Friday at the DeCarlo Varsity Center:
#3 Capital vs. #2 Wilmington
#5 Heidelberg vs. #1 JCU
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 24, 2010, 09:59:21 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on February 24, 2010, 09:21:01 AM
I think Kirbus is a VERY GOOD player, maybe the coach is keeping him from all-america status with the shared playing time. I do know that Coach Reynolds at OC would play him til he couldnt breathe. Two coaches with different philosophies, one keeps em fresh and one plays em til they cant walk.....Whose seems to be working? 

Yeah, I love Moran's system.  Not only does it let you play an up-tempo game all game, but it's perfect for getting experience for younger players.

As for Kirbus, I think he's under-appreciated.  You're by no means the only person that doesn't buy in.  But he's quietly sitting at #2 on the Streaks' all-decade scoring list, with a chance to pass Mimms if JCU goes deep enough this year.   That includes the team that went to the final four.

Also, Rudy was DIII Hoop's pre-season first team All-American this year.  So at least he's getting noticed by some folks.  I agree, though, there's something about his style of play that brings him in under the radar.








Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 25, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
OC losing the tie breaker to Marietta for 8th place wasnt such a bad thing. Another thrashing from JCU would be painful.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 26, 2010, 09:04:35 AM
Normally I wouldnt count a 5 beating a 4 as an upset, but the Berg beating ONU is definitely an upset in my opinion. Not to take away anything from the Berg, but on paper they do not hve the talent the Polae Bears have. Coach Gholson is proving to be the Berg best coach since John Hill. I know Sheldon won a conference tournament his 6th and final yr. before returning to Berea, but he never won like Gholson is doing. Sheldon teams underachieved - take away last season in tiffin, and maybe a little bit of excuse his 5th season due to some injuries, but his teams always finished 6th and lower, with very good talent. Plus he didnt leave much on the roster when he departed. I think Coach Gholson deserves Coach of the year recognition along with Goodwin & Moran. Still saying JCU vs Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2010, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 26, 2010, 09:04:35 AM
Normally I wouldnt count a 5 beating a 4 as an upset, but the Berg beating ONU is definitely an upset in my opinion.
If that's so, than so is this:
Heidelberg 104, John Carroll 97

Capital and Wilmington going to OT, tied at 64.
Capital absolutely goes to sleep on an inbounds pass under the Wilma hoop with just over a second left, and RJ Brown hits the wide open three to win the game for the Quakers, 75-72. 

#2 Wilmington vs, #5 Heidelberg for all the OAC marbles tomorrow.  Good seats still available!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 26, 2010, 11:25:11 PM
Guess I should have known better than to say there wouldnt be an upset in the OAC Tourny. Down goes the Blue Streaks at home to the Princes. Well, at least my comments regarding Coach Gholson are proving valid. Not sure what to make of championship game.... Quakers better on paper, but the Berg on roll. Will Blue Streaks still make NCAA? Be a shame if they dont!, but then again.... u cant lose at home in semis.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 27, 2010, 07:25:32 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 26, 2010, 11:25:11 PM
Guess I should have known better than to say there wouldnt be an upset in the OAC Tourny. Down goes the Blue Streaks at home to the Princes.

Hate to say it, but I told ya so.   ;D    ;)   :P   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2010, 05:34:09 PM
Looks like the Student Prince Express kinda ran out of gas today after the two upsets:

Wilmington 82, Heidelberg 69

Congratulations to the Quakers, and good luck in the NCAAs!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2010, 06:02:55 PM
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Wilma!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ziggy on February 28, 2010, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 27, 2010, 05:34:09 PM
Looks like the Student Prince Express kinda ran out of gas today after the two upsets:

Wilmington 82, Heidelberg 69

Congratulations to the Quakers, and good luck in the NCAAs!

Not a bad way to take yourself off the bubble!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 01, 2010, 12:41:35 PM
Congratulations to the OAC teams in the NCAA's.  If any JCU fans are traveling to North Carolina and need help navigating the area, let me know!  Guilford's looking forward to hosting CNU, JCU and Maryville!  Welcome!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 02, 2010, 07:42:13 AM
I know I've been saying the OAC & NCAC are down in comparison to couple yrs ago, but for the Great Lakes region to only get 4 teams while another got 7, a couple others received 6 seems unjust. Has the Great Lakes region fallen that bad? What use to be agruable the toughest region - now only gets 4 teams. DIII powerhouses Calvin & Wittenberg left out? I know they may not be the Tigers & Knights of the past but are they below some of these other regional teams getting in? Really? DIII tournament selection is screwie! And all b/c of presidents agreeing to Pool B scenarios! Why not just mandate conference affiliation. Even out the conferences so there is at least 8 in a conference - and require some conferences to take in these independents. DI has been realigning for yrs now. Im not proposing super conferences like the Big East w/ 16 teams, but it seems to me we could get conferences with 8-12 teams across the board. Then use the DII model of regional rankings for NCAA selection. But of course this would require too much team work from across to many constituents. Guess we just have to accept life isnt fair and neither is DIII NCAA selection process.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2010, 09:34:57 AM
The Great Lakes isn't overly large, either. With just 40 tournament-eligible teams, it's the third-smallest of the eight regions.

Pool B is just two bids out of 61 -- that's not the problem. And regional rankings isn't the solution -- why should each region be guaranteed a certain number of selections each year? That's exactly what Division III moved away from.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2010, 11:56:32 AM
"Why not just mandate conference affiliation."  While you are at it, you may as well mandate world peace.  I do not know any Pool B team who wants to be there but it is not so simple as to be fixed by a mandate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2010, 01:04:39 PM
So, if an independent has miserable academic requirements, a weak endowment and/or is hundreds of miles (or more) from the nearest DIII conference, that conference should be forced to accept it as a member - even if that conference already has an optimum number of schools for scheduling purposes?  It's not going to happen!

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2010, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on March 02, 2010, 07:42:13 AM
I know I've been saying the OAC & NCAC are down in comparison to couple yrs ago, but for the Great Lakes region to only get 4 teams while another got 7, a couple others received 6 seems unjust.
I count five: Hope, Wilmington, Wooster, and Grove City from Pool A, and John Carroll from Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 02, 2010, 09:47:23 PM
All-OAC team and individual awards are announced (http://www.oac.org/documents/2010MBBAll-OAC.pdf) (pdf):

MOP: Kyle Meyer, ONU
FOY: Dane Givner, Heidelberg
COY: (tie) Damon Goodwin, Capital and Mike Moran, JCU
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 02, 2010, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 02, 2010, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on March 02, 2010, 07:42:13 AM
I know I've been saying the OAC & NCAC are down in comparison to couple yrs ago, but for the Great Lakes region to only get 4 teams while another got 7, a couple others received 6 seems unjust.
I count five: Hope, Wilmington, Wooster, and Grove City from Pool A, and John Carroll from Pool C.

2009 -- 5 Hope, John Carroll, Capital, Thomas More, Wooster
2008 --6  Hope, Ohio Wesleyan, Bethany, Capital, Heidelberg and Wooster
2007 -- 7  Calvin, Hope, Westminster, John Carroll, Lake Erie, Capital and Wooster
2006 -- 8   Calvin, Hope, Baldwin-Wallace, Carnegie Mellon,  Wittenberg, Lake Erie, Wooster, Bethany
2005 --7   Calvin, Albion, Wittenberg, John Carroll, Bethany, Baldwin-Wallace, Wooster
2004 --5   Calvin, John Carroll, Wittenberg, Wooster, PSU-Behrend
(I just stopped here for no particular reason)

Breakdown by conf

NCAC
Wooster--6
Wittenberg--3
Ohio Wesleyan--1

OAC
John Carroll--5
Baldwin-Wallace--2
Capital--2
Heidelberg--1
Wilmington--1

MIAA
Hope--5
Calvin--4
Albion--1

Presidents
Bethany--3
Westminster--1
Grove City--1
Thomas More--1
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 03, 2010, 07:22:30 AM
sac pointed out what I had been thinking.  Really, when you think about it, the max number of bids coming out fo the GL Region is going to be 8.  That would be A and C bids from the MIAA, NCAC and OAC as well as the A's from the PAC and the AMCC.  That is of course unless those two later conferences surprisingly have a team that warrants a C bid.  And as sac pointed out, 8 bids has only happened once in the last 7 years.  Furthermore, this year is now the 3rd time the GL Region has only gotten 5 teams in the dance which also makes 5 the most common number of bids coming out of the GL region in the last 7 years.  So, really, there's nothing out of the ordinary here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2010, 09:50:56 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on March 03, 2010, 07:22:30 AM
sac pointed out what I had been thinking.  Really, when you think about it, the max number of bids coming out fo the GL Region is going to be 8. 
These days, the max is 7 in years when Wooster wins the NCAC (like this year).  Nobody in the NCAC has been a threat to earn a C (besides Wooster) since the Wittenberg program went south. 

Just think; if JCU had won the OAC tournament, we'd probably just have the minimum--4 A-bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 04, 2010, 07:36:00 AM
OK... I get it. You all love the DIII model of NCAA selection. Well, I dont! I do however like how they have tried to move some teams out of particular regions to balance the brackets a bit. I know my "mandate" comment was out there, I was trying to be a bit facicious. (Sp?) Perhaps the DIII model is the best we can do. I must also apologize for my lack of knowledge.... I didnt realize the PAC was a part of the Great Lakes Region, and Grove City makes 5 GL teams. I always cheer for these teams, but I know Grove City will be lucky to win a single game. Sorry Wolverine fans!

On another note... I like to pass out my end of yr grades for the OAC. The conference I most pay attention to.
JCU A  High expectations were too high for a young squad. Benefit from weak overall OAC
Wilmington A What u expected is what u got
Capital A+  Over achieved, great turnaround
ONU C- under achieved
Berg B+  late collapse to reg. season prevents A+
BW C  I expected more, very jeckel & hyde
Mt. C Some good wins & bad losses, much like BW - INCONSISTENT
Marietta D Expected way more. Nxt yr should be in top 4
OTT. D- 2 yrs in a row no post season
Muskie  F - Since Burson departure this program has gone steadily south

Good Luck Quakers & Blue Streaks ....represent!!



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on March 04, 2010, 04:47:48 PM
Ok, to chip in a little on the OAC grades......

JCU...A-...Some thought they might go undefeated in the OAC, no superstar tho.
Wilmington...A...severe lack of depth, but Coach Hunt played them.
Capital...A...picked 3rd in preseason coaches poll, finished 3rd.
ONU...B-....finished exactly where they were picked, not much help for Meyer.
Heidelberg...C...Up and down, when they were good, they were very good.
BW...C-...over rated.
Mount...C-...Another up and down team.
Marietta...D-...Not much leadership..
OC...F...You were much too nice, time for a change at the helm.
Musk...D-...Dont blame the talent, good coaches can win with marginal talent.





Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on March 04, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Now, how about an OAC MVP. Not necessarily the best player, but the player most valuable to his team. The player his team cannot do without.

ONU Meyer was conference Player of the Year and his team woulda won several less games without him.
JCU has Kirbus, but enough other quality players to survive.
Wilmington has 3 quality seniors and White.

I think you subtract Knab from Marietta and Pollock from Otterbein and their teams win zero games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2010, 09:37:35 PM
Good start for the OAC as both John and Wilma win (and the MUC women wipe out a ranked W&J team).  Competition steps up a couple of notches tomorrow as the unranked OACers play a pair of top 10 ODACers on their home courts (JCU at #4 Guilford, Wilma at #7 EMU).  Good luck to the Ohioans!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on September 20, 2010, 07:47:49 PM
Well, lets see now......Labor Day has come and gone...football is well into its season and ......I HEAR BALLS BOUNCING IN THE GYMS ALL OVER OHIO....

OAC whatcha got this year?  Can JCU repeat ?   Did Wilmington get crushed by graduation?   Can Cap get back to the top ?  Will Muskington and Otterbein ever get back to the playoffs?

Hard to tell this year ........HERE GOES.....

1. JCU without a doubt
2. Cap might be the only team to push for the top spot
3. BW lots returning
4. Marietta can score but needs a floor leader
5-6-7 da Berg, ONU, and the Mount to close to call
8. Wilmington, wow did I really put them here. Lost entire heart and soul
9. Otterbein, underachievers
10. Muskingum...gettin kinda used to this spot
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on September 23, 2010, 09:13:04 PM
Has anyone heard anything about new recruits on campus? Outside of JCU I'm not expecting much from the OAC this year. Muskingum & Otterbein will again be insignificant. Wilmington did lose alot but will remain competitive. Look for Marietta & Berg to move up standings along with maybe B-W. The Yellow Jackets need to learn to defend but they have plenty of talent to contend with everyone except JCU. The days of JCU & BW being a rivalry are apparently long gone. I saw the games last year and it was laughable how easy JCU crushed them. Not sure what to expect from ONU... guess we'll see what their new coach was able to attract to Ada. Gotta expect Capital to be in top half of conference. And I anticiapte Mt. to again flounder around 7th place. The OAC is not what it was 4-5 years ago! Overall talent is way down. Oh well...looking forward to another crazy season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on October 23, 2010, 10:36:17 PM
I could be wrong(I usually am), but it appears to be the same situation as last year. Everybody chasing JCU. But, you all know the OAC. On any night, anybody can win.

On another note, you notice how many ties there are in OAC soccer...Can you imagine a basketball game ending in a tie, there would be a total riot. Soccer is already boring enough. How about that 0-0 tie today in the OAC. How  much fun was that game to watch.....

Bring on the basketball season............

Is there no controversy this season....

Who is the longshot to make some noise???

How about preseason Player of the Year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on October 31, 2010, 12:36:24 AM
My input on POY---JCU may have the best team going into season but their system usually doesn't allow for stats for one player to be considered for player of the year. My two pre-season picks would be Frazier from Cap and Knaab from Marietta with the pick going to whichever team finishes higher in the standings.  Cap seems to have the better chance.  Thoughts......?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on November 01, 2010, 12:17:43 AM
Frazier and Knaab seem to be worthy choices, I think maybe T White from Wilmington also in the mix. JCU has the studs also, but only 20 minutes of PT with the up tempo pressure and constant subs which should end with a conference championship once again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 02, 2010, 08:27:17 PM
Heard a rumor that Crozier and Hartnett might not be playing this year for JCU.  Any truth to that???  They have many players but that would hurt their rotations.  Plus Crozier is a real force inside with one of those groups. Any news on new players to any of the programs--transfers or freshmen?? Might there be some immediate impact players that are new to schools?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on November 03, 2010, 09:09:59 AM
Looks  like Wilmington had a good recruiting year....They list 12 guys on their roster 6'5" or bigger...They seem to be the only OAC team tapping into the Cincinnati schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on November 13, 2010, 12:45:58 AM
Congrats to Tyler White of Wilmington for making the Preseason All-American HM team.  White is out of Colerain HS in Cincinnati, which is in the Greater Miami Conference.  The GMC is a powerhouse in football and basketball (http://www.jjhuddle.com/news/articles/2009/8/24/colerain-princeton-help-greater-miami-conference-come-in-at-no-3).  Colerain football teams seem to always be ranked nationally and have players go to all types of big programs across the country every year (http://www.gmcsports.com/contentPage.aspx?sec=7).  Basketball in the GMC is also strong, with players like Jordon Sibert (now at Ohio State) and Erik Daniels (former Kentucky star and NBA player), both from Princeton HS, and the legendary Jerry Lucas who player for Middletown HS(way back). I also played in the GMC, so that elevates it even more...

Another interesting fact about the GMC, former UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin was a teacher at Oak Hills High School before becoming a professional fighter.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on November 14, 2010, 10:51:26 AM
Knowing that there is plenty of recruits in Cincinnati area, why is it that Wilmington seems to be the only OAC school recruiting there? When will the rest of the OAC wake up to the fact that the Cincinnati area is an abundant recruiting area?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on November 14, 2010, 09:42:20 PM
Ok, now I will see how well I know the OAC.....

Its no secret, JCU plays high pressure and constant subs....#1 no doubt
#2, Capital with good coaching and constant reloading
#3, Wilmington with full court pressure start to finish, getting the most out of what they have.

Do you see a pattern with the top three? High pressure and lots of subs.

The middle of the pack
#4, Marietta...Just cannot seem to get over the hump and break into the top 3.
#5, BW with lots returning but need to be more consistant.
#6, Heidelberg could be a lot better
#7, ONU lost their 2 best players and not sure how the recruits are gonna work out. Might be lower

The bottom....

#8, Mount Union gonna struggle this year, lucky for them they play Otterbein and Muskingum twice each.

#9, Otterbein really struggling the last few years, half court game not getting it done anymore and still playing no defense.

#10, Muskingum enough said.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on November 20, 2010, 11:58:20 PM
Final:  John Carroll 70  Carthage 69  :)

Congrats to JCU on a very impressive road win in Wisconsin against #5 Carthage!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 21, 2010, 11:37:29 AM
Wow, a road win over a ranked opponent!  That's a great win and should really help JCU come tournament time.

What?  It counts for bupkes, according to the NCAA?  (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tamemymind.com%2Fblog%2Fimages2007%2Fsmiley-bangheadonwall-yellow.gif&hash=96596b7c9870cfa1dbbcf0f047426cb645b0c723)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 21, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
Quote from: bouncer1 on November 02, 2010, 08:27:17 PM
Heard a rumor that Crozier and Hartnett might not be playing this year for JCU.  Any truth to that???  They have many players but that would hurt their rotations.  Plus Crozier is a real force inside with one of those groups. Any news on new players to any of the programs--transfers or freshmen?? Might there be some immediate impact players that are new to schools?

You seem to be right about Crozier, but not on Hartnett.

But even with JCU not being dealt a blow by losing both players you questioned,  it still definitely looks like JCU is not going to be running Moran's patented platoon system this year.

The Blue Streaks were the topic of conversation over on the Top 25 board for their noted upset of #5 Carthage last night.  Interesting to note that they had 3 players log 35 minutes in that game!  :o Quite the contrast from a team that had 10 players averaging between 15 and 20 minutes per game last season.

As I noted on the Top 25 board, this was certainly a nice win for the Blue Streaks.  No doubting that.  But the question I have is concerning the depth of this team and apparent lack of it based on having 3 starters log 35 minutes and a 4th going for 27 minutes.  My opinion is that they are going to need some bench players to step up as the season wears on if they hope to make a deep run once March comes along.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on November 22, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on November 21, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
Quote from: bouncer1 on November 02, 2010, 08:27:17 PM
Heard a rumor that Crozier and Hartnett might not be playing this year for JCU.  Any truth to that???  They have many players but that would hurt their rotations.  Plus Crozier is a real force inside with one of those groups. Any news on new players to any of the programs--transfers or freshmen?? Might there be some immediate impact players that are new to schools?

You seem to be right about Crozier, but not on Hartnett.

But even with JCU not being dealt a blow by losing both players you questioned,  it still definitely looks like JCU is not going to be running Moran's patented platoon system this year.

The Blue Streaks were the topic of conversation over on the Top 25 board for their noted upset of #5 Carthage last night.  Interesting to note that they had 3 players log 35 minutes in that game!  :o Quite the contrast from a team that had 10 players averaging between 15 and 20 minutes per game last season.

As I noted on the Top 25 board, this was certainly a nice win for the Blue Streaks.  No doubting that.  But the question I have is concerning the depth of this team and apparent lack of it based on having 3 starters log 35 minutes and a 4th going for 27 minutes.  My opinion is that they are going to need some bench players to step up as the season wears on if they hope to make a deep run once March comes along.

Big win on the road for the Streaks.  I haven't had a chance to go see these guys yet, but look forward to the opportunity. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 22, 2010, 09:01:10 PM
JCU does seem to have come out of the gate strong.  Impressive wins so far. Also Wilmington is 3-0.  What other teams seem to be doing well? Etta has had some impressive wins with their big 3 providing plenty of firepower especially Knab.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 27, 2010, 09:31:23 PM
JCU comes from behind to nip Bethany, 90-85.  Streaks will face Olivet, who thrashed Case Western Reserve, in tomorrow's championship of the Steadman Classic.

Elsewhere,
Otterbein 83, Wisc.-La Crosse 77
Wooster 67, ONU 53
Muskingum 67, Pitt-Greensburg 58
Transylvania 72, Wilmington 69
Trine 72, Heidelberg 67
No report from the UMU/Rust game at Rhodes College This just in: Mt. Union 93, Rust 86
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 28, 2010, 07:01:59 PM
JCU falls at home to a tough Olivet squad, 86-79.   

Other scores:
ONU 62, Susquehanna 49
Capital 68, Kenyon 57
Piedmont 78, Mt. Union 77

Hiram at Baldwin-Wallace is about to get underway: Audio (http://wbwc.com/) & live stats (http://homepages.bw.edu/~stats/mbasketball/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 01, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
12/1 Final Scores:

Marietta 65  Muskingum 61   Etta is now 5-0
Baldwin Wallace 86  Heidelberg 75
Trine 71  Ohio Northern 70
Ohio Wesleyan 67  Capital 57

No games tonight for JCU, Otterbein, Mount Union and Wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 02, 2010, 09:56:00 PM
Hey, why dont we play ...."PICK THE WINNERS" for OAC games this year.....

Who wants to keep track ??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 04, 2010, 05:11:39 PM
48-42 Capital leads at the half in Columbus.

Video, stats, audio here: http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/capital.portal#

Final: 93-87, John Carrol wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 04, 2010, 09:15:40 PM
12/4 Final Scores:

John Carroll 93  Capital 87
Heidelberg 85  Wilmington 62
Muskingum 65  Ohio Northern 64
Mount Union 84  Otterbein 81
Marietta 83  Baldwin Wallace 61

Etta on top at 2-0 and 6-0 overall.  JCU and Mount are both 1-0. All other teams with at least 1 OAC loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 04, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on December 04, 2010, 09:15:40 PM
12/4 Final Scores:

John Carroll 93  Capital 87
Heidelberg 85  Wilmington 62
Muskingum 65  Ohio Northern 64
Mount Union 84  Otterbein 81
Marietta 83  Baldwin Wallace 61

Etta on top at 2-0 and 6-0 overall.  JCU and Mount are both 1-0. All other teams with at least 1 OAC loss.

First of all that Wilmington loss has to be somewhat of a surprise, especially when you consider how badly the Quakers lost as well.

Also, it has to be somewhat of a surprise to see Marietta off to such a good start!  I guess they aren't just a baseball school after all!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 05, 2010, 02:20:00 AM
WOW !!!!!!!! The once mighty Otterbein looks to be headed for their fourth straight losing season, once again showing that severe lack of defense and fatigue will get you beat in the OAC. Tired legs and reaching hands sent the Mount to the line 31 times converting on 26 on their way to an 84 point evening.

Dear Santa, please drop off a "FUNDAMENTALS OF DEFENSE" booklet in Westerville.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 05, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
Maybe they should take a lesson from the ladies soccer team about playing defense......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
ScotsFan-  I got interested in what might be happening at Marietta, and so did some digging.  Turns out that perhaps it shouldn't have been as big of a surprise as you thought.

It's certainly a great start for the Pioneers...but there's a few ways in which they may be over-achieving so far.  For example, 5 of their first 6 games have been at home, so they haven't had to face the top OAC teams on the road yet.  Also, since their non-conference schedule generally contains opponents that were even matchups back when Marietta was a cellar-dweller, and while the Pioneers have won those contests this year, we'd hardly call them resume-builders.

So it's still a little hard to know what to make of Marietta yet.  However, they could very well be the real deal: they're being led by 4 returning starters, plus at least one significant new freshman who's having an immediate impact.  According to the OAC media guide, the Pioneers returned over 80% of their minutes, scoring and rebounding from last year's squad, and 'Etta doesn't even have a senior on their current roster.  The preseason coaches poll put Marietta at T-4, with Baldwin-Wallace.

Juniors Trevor Halter and Kevin Knab were All-OAC selections last year, and it looks like they've picked up right where they left off, averaging 14.7 and 19.2 ppg, respectively, in the young season.  Halter is the primary outside threat while Knab seems to do the damage in the paint.  Freshman starting guard Tyler Hammond looks to be a major addition, as he's already third on the team in scoring at 10 ppg and has tallied team-bests with 26 assists and 11 steals.

It's VanderWal's fourth year at the helm, which means that these players should represent the fruits of his first set of recruiting classes.  The Pioneers have been much more competitive in the OAC under his leadership, going 6-12 last year and 7-11 the year before.  VanderWal's first season was the last of Marietta's terrible stretch of non-competitiveness in the middle part of this decade: from 2004-05 to 2007-08 the squad was 5-67 in OAC play.

In sum, VanderWal's looks to be moving the program in a decidedly positive direction, and it looks like the Pioneers should not be taken lightly in the league this year.  In fact, I'd say that if Marietta ends up contending for the OAC title, VanderWal should be the hands-down winner for OAC coach of the year as and acknowledgment of the turnaround he's accomplished down there along the banks of the Ohio.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 05, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Nice post bryan!  Thanks for the research.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2010, 07:06:35 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 05, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Nice post bryan!  Thanks for the research.  :)

Thanks SF.  I continue to wish that more people would follow this basketball league (or at least come and post here regularly).

Back when I lived in Columbus I really enjoyed seeing OAC games at Capital and Otterbein.  I usually had a chance to see most of the league each year, and they were pretty enjoyable games to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2010, 07:26:29 PM
I had mentioned this in my Marietta post, and it seems that no one posted it here (though ste24vie and billy posted their own versions, I think):

OAC Preseason Coaches' Poll
1.  John Carroll (8) – 80
2.  Wilmington - 64
3.  Capital (1) - 63
4.  Marietta - 50
4.  Baldwin-Wallce - 50
6.  Heidelberg (1) - 47
7.  Ohio Northern - 36
8.  Mount Union - 31
9.  Otterbein- 17
10.  Muskingum - 12

Since coaches rank all the other teams 1-9, JCU receives 8 #1 votes for 72 pts and 1 #2 vote for 8 pts = 80 pts. There's pretty much no clarity (as per usual for the OAC) after that, as the five teams ranked from 2-6 are separated by only two average poll positions.  [A "perfect" #3 would have 63 pts; a "perfect" #5 would have 45 pts]


The press release also included this great nugget from JCU's Moran:

"Thank you, but it seems the OAC coaches are all showing signs of being delusional. We are honored to be selected first by our peers, but this is a very competitive league" said 18th-year John Carroll Head Coach Mike Moran.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 06, 2010, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2010, 07:06:35 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 05, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Nice post bryan!  Thanks for the research.  :)

Thanks SF.  I continue to wish that more people would follow this basketball league (or at least come and post here regularly).

Back when I lived in Columbus I really enjoyed seeing OAC games at Capital and Otterbein.  I usually had a chance to see most of the league each year, and they were pretty enjoyable games to watch.


Well, I always like to keep an eye on our rivals from the OAC.  Not to mention, as competitive as the league is year in and year out, it's always fun to follow how things will shake out each year.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 06, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
I like following the OAC as well, but since I never get to any of the games in person anymore (obviously), and with my schedule pretty busy, I can't devote the attention to it that I'd like.  I'm glad there's at least a few OAC guys and Wooster expatriates posting in here to keep us up to date.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2010, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 06, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
I like following the OAC as well, but since I never get to any of the games in person anymore (obviously), and with my schedule pretty busy, I can't devote the attention to it that I'd like.  I'm glad there's at least a few OAC guys and Wooster expatriates posting in here to keep us up to date.

Big win for JCU over the weekend at Capital.  Tough place to play, tough team to beat. 

I'm hoping to make the trip down to Wooster on the 28th, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to swing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 06, 2010, 11:05:06 PM
Congrats to JCU , a big early season matchup with 2 of the top teams. Wilmington tumbles early and da Berg jumps into the win column using lots of subs. Take a look at the premier teams in the OAC. Most sub early and often to keep fresh legs on the floor and have fresh legs at the end of the game.

Was there any early surprises?   Maybe Muskingum over ONU?  I dont think Berg over Wilmington was that much of a surprise. Can Etta beat the top teams ? Otterbein and ONU battle early for a trip to the basement for the loser. On Saturday, Otterbein and the Mount rode their horses til they were  dead and each played very little defense, both coaches forgetting that tired legs can't shoot nor play defense. Look for JCU to put up big numbers on the Mount on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 06, 2010, 11:08:18 PM
Huge game on Thursday when Cap travels to Wilmington, neither wanting to start off 0-2.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 07, 2010, 08:19:32 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 06, 2010, 09:27:29 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on December 05, 2010, 07:06:35 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 05, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Nice post bryan!  Thanks for the research.  :)

Thanks SF.  I continue to wish that more people would follow this basketball league (or at least come and post here regularly).

Back when I lived in Columbus I really enjoyed seeing OAC games at Capital and Otterbein.  I usually had a chance to see most of the league each year, and they were pretty enjoyable games to watch.


Well, I always like to keep an eye on our rivals from the OAC.  Not to mention, as competitive as the league is year in and year out, it's always fun to follow how things will shake out each year.  :)



Unrelated note, but +k for supporting my friends at Great Lakes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 07, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2010, 08:19:32 AM

Unrelated note, but +k for supporting my friends at Great Lakes.


Thanks.  They do make some mighty fine beers up there at the GLB!  I try and stockpile as much x-mas ale as I can this time of year, but they've been sold out since before Thanksgiving down here in Wooster?!  :-\   Hopefully it's back on the shelves this week!   8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 07, 2010, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 07, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2010, 08:19:32 AM

Unrelated note, but +k for supporting my friends at Great Lakes.


Thanks.  They do make some mighty fine beers up there at the GLB!  I try and stockpile as much x-mas ale as I can this time of year, but they've been sold out since before Thanksgiving down here in Wooster?!  :-\   Hopefully it's back on the shelves this week!   8-)

They're doing the best they can.  At this point there's no hope for supply to keep up with demand.  They made a huge investment to upgrade brewing capacity (not just for Christmas Ale, for all their beers), but they literally cannot brew enough.  I'd check around with your stores to see if they'll tell you when their shipments come in from their distributor so you can plan on stockpiling.  It's also available in the gift shop most of the time if you're willing to trek up here.  Personally, Christmas Ale is one of my least favorite beers of theirs, but folks go absolutely crazy for it.

The Conways are justifiably proud of their operation, and if you haven't taken a tour in awhile, I'd recommend making the trip up here to check it out.

And I promise, I don't work at Great Lakes.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 07, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2010, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 07, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2010, 08:19:32 AM

Unrelated note, but +k for supporting my friends at Great Lakes.


Thanks.  They do make some mighty fine beers up there at the GLB!  I try and stockpile as much x-mas ale as I can this time of year, but they've been sold out since before Thanksgiving down here in Wooster?!  :-\   Hopefully it's back on the shelves this week!   8-)

They're doing the best they can.  At this point there's no hope for supply to keep up with demand.  They made a huge investment to upgrade brewing capacity (not just for Christmas Ale, for all their beers), but they literally cannot brew enough.  I'd check around with your stores to see if they'll tell you when their shipments come in from their distributor so you can plan on stockpiling.  It's also available in the gift shop most of the time if you're willing to trek up here.  Personally, Christmas Ale is one of my least favorite beers of theirs, but folks go absolutely crazy for it.

The Conways are justifiably proud of their operation, and if you haven't taken a tour in awhile, I'd recommend making the trip up here to check it out.

And I promise, I don't work at Great Lakes.   :)


All of my Wooster friends in D.C. (of which there are a surprising number) are bemoaning the fact that we can't seem to get any here in the district, either.  Sold out all over the place.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 07, 2010, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2010, 03:16:33 PM
They're doing the best they can.  At this point there's no hope for supply to keep up with demand.  They made a huge investment to upgrade brewing capacity (not just for Christmas Ale, for all their beers), but they literally cannot brew enough.  I'd check around with your stores to see if they'll tell you when their shipments come in from their distributor so you can plan on stockpiling.  It's also available in the gift shop most of the time if you're willing to trek up here.  Personally, Christmas Ale is one of my least favorite beers of theirs, but folks go absolutely crazy for it.

Yeah, I read about the new upgrades they made.  It is crazy how coo coo people go over Christmas Ale to the extent that GLB can't even come close to keeping up with demand.  It does happen to be one of my favorites though which is why I try and stockpile it.  You mentioned xmas ale is one of your least favorites, so which GLB brews do you like? 

Personally, I'm an IPA lover so Commadore Perry and Lake Erie Monster are two of my favorites.  I wish LEM was available year around?!  :-\  I also like Holy Moses, especially on a hot summer day!   8-)  And Nosferatu is damn good also.  Really, you can't go wrong with any of their brews, although I'm not much of a fan of dark beer (outside of Guiness Pub Draught) so I usually steer clear of their darker beers!

Quote from: Toph on December 07, 2010, 03:16:33 PM

The Conways are justifiably proud of their operation, and if you haven't taken a tour in awhile, I'd recommend making the trip up here to check it out.

And I promise, I don't work at Great Lakes.   :)


LOL!  I was beginning to think you did work up there in the marketing department or something!   :D   ;)

And I have yet to take a tour up there?!   ???  My wife and I have eaten there many times, but we have yet to actually take a tour which is something I have been wanting to do for a long time!

I will say, it is nice to have such a quality brewery right here in our backyard!  I've tried microbrews from all over the country and I would put Great Lakes up against any of them!  As I said, they make some mighty fine beers there! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 08, 2010, 09:03:54 AM
Not in their marketing department, but I do work directly with them at times.  It's not a bad gig.

I like Commodore Perry and Burning River best out of the everyday styles.  Conway's Irish Ale is far and away my favorite brew of theirs.  I also love Lake Erie Monster, Holy Moses, Nosferatu. 

I also don't much care for darker beers in general, so I have a tough time with the stouts.

If you're at the pub, have the Wright Pils, it's great and it's a pub exclusive (they also have it at Hopkins Airport).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on December 08, 2010, 09:49:03 PM
JCU beats Mount today by about 25. 

To respond to an earlier post, Moran is playing two full lines again. 

The second line looks rather green, but showed some promise.  I was trying to keep track of +/- per line throughout the game, but lost count.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 09, 2010, 12:43:50 AM
Very mediocre ONU downs defenseless Otterbein, 80-73. The Cardinals, once again wore out their horses while the Polar Bears subbed early and often resulting in many easy buckets and lots of foul trouble again tonight. How many losses does it take to sink in? 'Etta might get a hundred on Saturday. Change is a must or get used to the basement for another year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 09, 2010, 12:48:44 AM
OH MY.  Otterbein has Marietta, then JCU and Wittenberg their next 3 games. This could be really painful.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 10, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
Well, this looks to be upset Saturday in the OAC...All the tops teams play the lower teams. Someone will score an upset....just who will it be?

Look for JCU and Marietta to aim for the century mark in ez wins......
Cap easily over Mount.
Heidelberg over the Muskies....

Can the team picked #2 in the preseason get their first win or start the season 0-3? Look for this to be the best game of the day.  BW @ Wilmington. I got the Quakes in a squeaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 11, 2010, 09:01:39 PM
12/11 OAC Final Scores:

Ohio Northern 68  John Carroll 66  Big road win for the Polar Bears
Capital 74  Mount Union 70
Marietta 72  Otterbein 54
Baldwin Wallace 92  Wilmington 82
Heidelberg 81  Muskingum 77 OT

Marietta leads with a 3-0 record
JCU, ONU, Cap, BW and Heide are all 2-1 in the conference
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 11, 2010, 10:30:40 PM
Otterbein coach once again rides his horses to complete exhaustion while Marietta subs freely. Fatigue once again kills any hope of a win.  The 'Etta running game just blew the game open in the last 10 minutes of the game, especially with the Cards unable to get back on defense. Once again, which game plan seemed to work?

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 12, 2010, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on December 11, 2010, 09:01:39 PM
12/11 OAC Final Scores:

Baldwin Wallace 92  Wilmington 82


Ouch! Wilmington is now 0-3 in OAC play to start the season???  :o  This is almost more surprising than Marrietta storming out of the gates as the lone unbeaten team remaining in the OAC!

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 12, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
While they still have probably their best athlete, Wilmington lost their 3 best players to graduation. Post play has been a problem. T White must adapt to being the "GO TO" guy. Could be a long season....

Marietta just gets it done right now, continuous subbing wore Otterbein into submission. The last 10 minutes of their game on Saturday, time and time again, 'Etta got break away lawups and even a couple monster dunks with fatigued defenders walking up the floor.  Otterbeins starters player a minimum 28 minutes and no other player hit double figure PT. 

What happened in the ONU-JCU game?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 15, 2010, 12:02:44 PM
D3 fan here and happy to have heard about this board.  I love the OAC and NCAC. 

Marietta is off to a great start.  Disappointing start for Wilmington.  Otterbein must have some major issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 15, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
I am new to the boards so my apologies if these topics have already been discussed. 
Best game in the last 5 years.
Best team in the last 5 years.
Rank the coaches.
Rank the program.  (Not just this years team)
Toughest arena to win in as an opposing team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 15, 2010, 03:49:27 PM
Toughest arena must be JCU.....good team brings in lots of rowdy and enthusiastic fans.....Wilmington is pretty tough also ..the students in the first row stand seemingly on the floor.

Usually you rank the program and coach together.....Cap and JCU must be at the top..........

JCU must be the top recent team

The best game  is a toughie
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 15, 2010, 04:05:52 PM
It doesn't fit your timeframe, but far and away the best team in recent years is the utterly dominant 2001-02 national championship Otterbein squad (30-3).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 15, 2010, 05:16:28 PM
Nine years doesnt seem to be recent to me. WAlum seemed to be hittin on the last 5 years. Every team in the OAC is just a Jeff Gibbs away from being National Champs. Definitely a great year for the Cards.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2010, 06:27:19 PM
"Just a Jeff Gibbs away"? You make it sound as though there's more than one. And, based upon what he did while at Otterbein and the insane numbers that he posted despite being severely undersized for his position, I'm pretty sure that there isn't.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 15, 2010, 07:59:39 PM
Well, the point I was trying to make was that.....If any team in the OAC was fortunate to have a Jeff Gibbs, then a National Championship would be their goal. The last 2 years, Otterbein hasnt been able to make the OAC tourney and starting off 0-3 this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 19, 2010, 08:59:38 AM
WOW !!! .

Saturday was a great day for basketball in the OAC. Four of the 5 games decided by 3 points or less. Wilmington enters the desperate mode(0-4), now alone in last place. Otterbein shocks the conference with a stunning defeat of the Blue Streaks in an offensive battle. Cap comes out big in a double digit win. Marietta sneaks by with another tight win to remain unbeaten. Preseason basement pick Muskies now in the middle of the pack at 2-2.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 19, 2010, 11:55:42 AM
And Wilmington could easily end up 0-5 as they go on the road to the surging Pioneers next Wednesday.

This is Marietta's best start ever in the basketball program's 110-year history.  If they defeat Wilmington on Wednesday, they would be favored to be undefeated into 2011, as they should be considered the likely winner in the games at Redlands and La Verne.

John Carroll will be leaving the Top 25 when it's next released.  Marietta had 3 points in the most recent poll; JCU had 55.  The OAC is generally seen as a conference that produces one or two Top 25-worthy teams each season...it'll be interesting to see how quickly Marietta will move into the poll, since it does not have the history of recent success that a JCU, Bald-Wally, ONU, Capitol or H'Berg does.  It may not be all that quick as voters can argue (probably rightfully) that Marietta, while unbeaten, has generally not played quality competition yet.  But perhaps we shouldn't be too quick to discredit the 4-0 start in the conference, which includes 2 road victories, and two easy, blowout home wins.

FWIW, Massey's rankings seem to agree with that Marietta is for real.  Massey (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1) now has Marietta ranked 13th!!   :o :o :o  (JCU fell hard with the loss to Otterbein, down 24 spots to 49th)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 19, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on December 19, 2010, 08:59:38 AM
WOW !!! .

Saturday was a great day for basketball in the OAC. Four of the 5 games decided by 3 points or less. Wilmington enters the desperate mode(0-4), now alone in last place. Otterbein shocks the conference with a stunning defeat of the Blue Streaks in an offensive battle. Cap comes out big in a double digit win. Marietta sneaks by with another tight win to remain unbeaten. Preseason basement pick Muskies now in the middle of the pack at 2-2.



As ste24vie touched on above...

12/18 OAC final scores (home teams listed second):

Muskingum 71, Baldwin-Wallace 68   
Mount Union 75,   Wilmington 73       
Marietta 79, Ohio Northern 77
Heidelberg 64, Capital 73      
John Carroll 83, Otterbein 86

Current Standings

TeamConferenceOverall
Marietta4-09-0
Capital3-17-3
Ohio Northern3-25-4
John Carroll2-26-3
Heidelberg2-24-5
Muskingum2-23-5
Mount Union2-23-6
Baldwin-Wallace2-33-6
Otterbein1-33-5
Wilmington0-43-5
(Sorry about formatting; never have figured out how to do tables on here)



Table formatting added; kiltedbryan: click 'modify' to see the code if interested!...dc
Thanks!  +k
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 19, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
I'm still having trouble grasping the fact that Wilmington is currently in last place and still searching for their first conference win?!   ???  After their 3-0 start, the Quakers find themselves falling like a rock losing 5 in a row and counting?!  :o

KB, you bring up a good point wrt Marietta and when they could or should crack the top 25.  They may still be relatively unchallenged, but being 4-0 and alone in 1st place in the OAC should be enough for them to at least crack the top 25 IMO. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 19, 2010, 06:12:43 PM
The really interesting thing is Coach VanderWal is doing it without a Sr on the Marietta roster.

Marietta only received 3 poll points in the last poll.  According to Massey, Marietta's schedule ranks higher than top 5's Williams and Middlebury #8 Eastern Mennonite, #15 Franklin and Marshall  #18 Amherst, #22 Worcester Tech, #27 Western Connecticut and #36 Rhode Island College


Massey has Marietta ranked #13, this seems like a big miss by the pollsters.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 19, 2010, 07:54:06 PM
Sac- Thanks for the check on Marietta's schedule relative to some other Top 25s.

Some other bits of interest about the Pioneers—they entered last week 2nd in the nation in overall FG%, and continued that trend in the ONU win, shooting 53%.  Going 8/9 from 3pt land in the first half helped stake them to a 41-36 halftime advantage in Ada.  One potential weakness, though, is that they also allowed ONU to shoot 53% for the game—do that and you won't be able to win on your own off-shooting nights.

A few other observations about the game: though it was pretty close throughout, Marietta took the lead at the 17:10 mark of the first half and never relinquished it.  ONU had several possessions to tie or take the lead, including late in the second half during their comeback, but they never quite got over that hump (they did manage one tie, but Marietta immediately called time out, then went on a 6-0 run).  I'd say that even though they're still pretty young, managing to hold a small lead against a conference foe on the road suggests that there's some poise and maturity to the Pioneers.  The road won't get any easier from here though, as surely the entire OAC has noticed the 4-0 next to Marietta's name.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on December 20, 2010, 11:18:08 PM
Best OAC team in last 5 years....BW 2006-7 Yellow Jackets led by Tori Davis
Toughest place to play.....take ur pick...Capital, ONU, Wilmington, JCU
Best Coach....Reynolds or Goodwin and its not close!
Worst Coach....Hood or Sheldon
Best game....too many to pick but BW over ONU in 07 Championship was a great one.

I've seen a few games this year and have followed the action online - here's my take....
Mt. has no pt.g and no depth and a coach the players dont like
There is no dominant team
Etta winning close games
Wilmington, BW and Berg disappointing
Muskie losing close games...Ford has 1 foot in retirement
The league is very young
JCU unpredicatable
JCU vs Cap or Etta when all is done and said.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 21, 2010, 01:25:51 AM
Albert, you must be thinking about the 2002 Reynolds. The 2010 model should probably be on the retirement list. He has been using just his five starters and wearing them completely out. He did use a couple of subs earlier and longer against JCU and pulled out the huge upset. Otterbein could easily be 3-1 in conference play instead of 1-3 and against JCU they played no seniors.  Marietta just wore them out and coach reynolds absolutely refused to sub. It was a 4 point game with 7 minutes to play and ended up being a blowout.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 21, 2010, 01:29:46 AM
I wondered how you were going to react to that... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 21, 2010, 02:12:40 AM
Well, just my opinion of course. LOL   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 21, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
the disagreement on reynolds reminded me of something I was thinking about this weekend.  I was watching a high school game saturday night at my daughters school.  There were two evenly matched teams.  In the last four minutes of the game one coach made all the right decisions and the other did not.  It seems that the best coaches win the majority of their games decided by five or less points with their preparation and ability to put their team in a position to win.  Anyone interested in looking back at the last three years to see the teams records in games decided by 5 or less?  It may be a slow day at the office.  If so, I will try to gather the information to see where Reynolds teams would fit be compared to others.

Here are this years games, 5 points or less and overtime games. 
Marietta 2-0
Capital 2-0
John Carroll 2-2
Ohio Northern 2-4
Heidelberg 3-2
Muskingum 2-3
Mount Union 2-5
BW 1-2
Otterbein 1-2
Wilmington 0-2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 21, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
I started a similar discussion on the NCAC board.  I realize the sample size is small and I know the amount of factors that go into figuring it are astronomical.  However as I said, this question hatched out of a discussion in regards to the question, do better coaches win more close games? For arguments sake, give everyone the same personnel and the game is on the line.  What three coaches do you want coaching your team in a tie game with 3 minutes to go?

Quote from: WAlum on December 21, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
the disagreement on reynolds reminded me of something I was thinking about this weekend.  I was watching a high school game saturday night at my daughters school.  There were two evenly matched teams.  In the last four minutes of the game one coach made all the right decisions and the other did not.  It seems that the best coaches win the majority of their games decided by five or less points with their preparation and ability to put their team in a position to win.  Anyone interested in looking back at the last three years to see the teams records in games decided by 5 or less?  It may be a slow day at the office.  If so, I will try to gather the information to see where Reynolds teams would fit be compared to others.

Here are this years games, 5 points or less and overtime games. 
Marietta 2-0
Capital 2-0
John Carroll 2-2
Ohio Northern 2-4
Heidelberg 3-2
Muskingum 2-3
Mount Union 2-5
BW 1-2
Otterbein 1-2
Wilmington 0-2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on December 21, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
My choice of Reynolds has to do with his body of work over time. The truth is Reynolds does not spend much time recruiting and therefore is working with much less talent that his OAC bretheren. I wont argue he's got 1 foot out the door in retirement but he's certainly not the 1st old-timer we've seen not work the recruiting trail. With that being said I'd take Reynolds, Moran, or a Goodwin coached team to win a close game. Their kids play hard, and they (coaches) make good adjustments and appear to be well prepared. Early returns on Etta coach are impressive, but I dont see Etta much so I cant speak intelligently about him. Conversely, Coach Hood doesnt relate to kids well and when was the last time Mount was significant in hoops? BW headed in the same direction I believe, Coach Sheldon's team's dont guard anyone, he's had 1 winning season in how many years? Didnt catch the game tonight but I did read where BW blew a 19 pt. lead tonight vs JCU. I posted a few weeks ago how this once great rivalry no longer exist. BW hasnt beat JCU since sheldon's arrival. Have to question his ability to relate when quality players who play are quitting program. I noticed Louis Tumblin did not play last yr. at BW....I heard he did not care for Coach Sheldon, and he's not the only player from Bankson's cupboard who is no longer there. I understand not every player is gonna like their coach, but when quality players who play starters minutes, and are on the verge of 1,000 pts quit - somethings up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on December 22, 2010, 12:23:56 AM
Validating my opinion.....BW blows big lead to JCU - Again! They blew an 18 pt. lead to JCU last year. Apparently, Sheldon coached teams have historically blown leads. So I'm looking into it. I know for fact that they have now blown 3 18 + pt. leads in last 2 yrs. Apparently this occurred at the Berg as well....will check and see. In Sheldon's defense - his team is young as were most of his Berg teams. But again, when you lose players who played minutes every year you'll tend to be young. Anyone know what happened to BW's Householder? Played quite a bit as a freshmen for BW, and is no longer on roster. Was just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 22, 2010, 03:56:16 PM
Ed Householder out of Tallmadge HS left BW to go to Kent State for reasons other than basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 22, 2010, 09:46:12 PM
Two in a row for Otterbein, who use red-hot shooting and a big free throw gap to drop Wittenberg 78-64.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 23, 2010, 12:25:59 AM
Otterbein subs played 39 minutes, scored 23 points and committed zero turnovers. Seven Cardinals scored at least 7 points. Coach must be reading the forum. Two huge wins in five days. On the down side, waaaaaaay too many turnovers. A very nice win......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 23, 2010, 11:06:11 AM
Marietta remained perfect, improving to 10-0 last night while Wilmington's slide continued losing their 6th straight as the Pios beat the Quakers 89-78. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
St. Vincent-PA 10, Otterbein 10  10 1/2 min left in 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 28, 2010, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on December 23, 2010, 11:06:11 AM
Marietta remained perfect, improving to 10-0 last night while Wilmington's slide continued losing their 6th straight as the Pios beat the Quakers 89-78.  

Wilmington lost again, losing 70-66 to Spalding in the opening game of the Mose Hole Classic at Wooster.  It doesn't get any easier for the Quakers, as they will face Wooster tomorrow, who moved to 10-0 on the year with a win over John Carroll tonight by an 89-76 score.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
Otterbein 39, St. Vincent 31  5 seconds left in 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2010, 09:30:44 PM
Otterbein 58, St. Vincent 50  11 min. left 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2010, 09:37:44 PM
Otterbein pulling away,  72-57  7 min. left 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 28, 2010, 11:30:55 PM
Final:  Wooster 89  John Carroll 76

Wooster's scoring balance won this game as they had 4 players in double figures led by Ian Franks with 28 points and Justin Hallowell with 19 points.  Wooster is now 10-0.  JCU is now 7-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 29, 2010, 01:21:42 AM
Following quality wins over JCU and Wittenberg, Otterbein beats St Vincent(Pa) 84-76. Davis leads all scorers, 24 pts-13 reb. Edick off the bench for 17pts on 5-5 3s. Nine Cardinals with at least 9 minutes played, a drastic philosophy change that seems to be working as Otterbein rolls up their third win in a row. The Otterbein bench chipped in 65 minutes, 34 pts and just 3 t/os.

Another big test for Otterbein in the championship game on Wednesday against Maryville out of Tennessee.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 29, 2010, 09:22:47 AM
JCU played well but Wooster proved why they are undefeated and a top team nationwide.  Wilmington gets their chance tonight to take down the Scots. 

3 wins in a row for the otters as they go for #4 and a tournament championship tonight.  Cardinals take on Maryville was down 10 with 8 minutes to go and beat Ohio Wesleyan by 7.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 29, 2010, 10:49:13 AM
I gotta say ......I picked Wilmington 8th and it looks like That might even be too high.  Just goes to show what their "BIG 3" meant to them last year.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 29, 2010, 10:49:56 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on September 20, 2010, 07:47:49 PM
Well, lets see now......Labor Day has come and gone...football is well into its season and ......I HEAR BALLS BOUNCING IN THE GYMS ALL OVER OHIO....

OAC whatcha got this year?  Can JCU repeat ?   Did Wilmington get crushed by graduation?   Can Cap get back to the top ?  Will Muskington and Otterbein ever get back to the playoffs?

Hard to tell this year ........HERE GOES.....

1. JCU without a doubt
2. Cap might be the only team to push for the top spot
3. BW lots returning
4. Marietta can score but needs a floor leader
5-6-7 da Berg, ONU, and the Mount to close to call
8. Wilmington, wow did I really put them here. Lost entire heart and soul
9. Otterbein, underachievers
10. Muskingum...gettin kinda used to this spot
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 29, 2010, 11:00:51 AM
Nearing the middle of the season ......CAN ANYBODY BEAT MARIETTA AND WOW, CAN WILMINGTON BEAT ANYBODY?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on December 30, 2010, 01:06:10 AM
I posted this on the NCAC board, insights????

good win for Witt as suprisingly I wasn't able to see the game tonight, however, I did catch the opener of the tourney in Taylor/Heidelberg. Should be a good game vs Taylor tomorrow night (or tonight I suppose). They have some good shooters on their team and play the pick and roll insistently til they rotate and get a mismatch to open up shots.

This probably would be better on the OAC board, but with the athletes that Heidelberg has and I saw in person today, are they just not that disciplined as they showed today? They were down 5 early in the second half and slowly over time their focus wilted and were down 22 with 2 intentional and unncessary fouls in the course of that run.........
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 01:57:40 AM
Well, the 2010 version Otterbein coach showed up again tonight and rode his horses to death AGAIN, subbing in only two 5'9 guards as Maryville pounded the Cards from the beginning. Not a single big man sub, and he certainly got another coaching lesson as Maryville subbed early and often crushing Chris Davis' certain tourney MVP hopes.  Maryville was very athletic and similar to St Vincent, but just ordinary ball skills. Once again, full court ball pressure took its toll on the Cardinals as they have no clue how to break a press. Home cooking at the free throw line couldnt even make up for very poor shooting.

He only had to remember back to Tuesday when he subbed plenty againt St Vincent and cruised on to the championship game. How many lessons does it take to sink in? Hmmmmmmmmm, I sub plenty against JCU, we win. Hmmmmm, I dont sub against Marietta, we get drilled. I sub plenty against Wittenberg, we win. I sub plenty against St Vincent, we win. I dont sub against Maryville, we get drilled.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 02:10:42 AM
Quote from: WAlum on December 15, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
I am new to the boards so my apologies if these topics have already been discussed. 
Best game in the last 5 years.
Best team in the last 5 years.
Rank the coaches.
Rank the program.  (Not just this years team)
Toughest arena to win in as an opposing team.

Well, ranking the current OAC programs, if Otterbein is not at the bottom or very near the bottom, I will be totally surprised.  Lets see, Grade F in recruiting(nods head "YES" to every recruit). Grade F in player development.  Grade A for player breakdown to foundation, Grade F for building them back up. Grade F for no JV program.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 02:18:59 AM
Oh wait, back to the JV, drag them around all year, let them stand around at practice and never have any games. Grade F-

How about..... no off season anything...F

How about ....fundamentals...F

Its a good thing #50 can get er dun inside...A+

Despite all this, Otterbein could(should) be 8-3 or 9-2.

JUST MY OPINION, WHATS YOURS

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 30, 2010, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: ste24vie on February 14, 2010, 12:58:55 AM
Please Santa, is it too late to ask for a new coach ?????  The train wreck continues for Otterbein...After beating Mount Union by 15 at home, the Cards take a beating at the Mount. Once again, tired legs and poor(make that NO DEFENSE) catches up with OC in the second half. Come on Coach, you put a 4 in at point guard........Another year out of the conference playoffs.

OFFENSE IS PRETTY .......BUT DEFENSE WINS GAMES

So, ste24vie, I am guessing Santa did not fulfill your Christmas wish.

ste24vie = A+......But you might be  a bit easier on an old man with a failing memory.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on December 30, 2010, 11:16:20 AM
ste24vie, all the bases you touched, the one that I find amazing is the only 2 subs against Maryville were guards. Its amazing, I look to the bench and see 6'7. 6'6 and 6'5 all worthy of playing on Tuesday in a victory but not worthy of playing on Wednesday in defeat. Tired players rest on defense, and it showed on the scoreboard. Tired players trying not to foul play NO DEFENSE and it showed on the scoreboad.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 30, 2010, 12:14:03 PM
I do not know enough about the Otterbein coaching debate to have an opinion.  I watched the Maryville game on video.  Davis was pretty effective and subbing for him would not have been my idea of good sense...Maryville could not really handle him, in part but not completely because of foul issues with the Scots' (relatively) big people.

It seemed that OU was playing a lot of freshmen most of whom seemed promising.  The guy who lit it up off the bench against St. Vincent did not show any signs of repeating that performance.

Maryville got off to such a hot start that a substitution pattern was unlikely to help much.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 01:15:50 PM
Maryville was not hot.....Otterbein was ice cold. At the 15:00 mark, the Cardinals had 7 T/Os, 4 bad shots, 2 other missed shots and a made layup. Mix that in with the fact that the Cardinals play "NO DEFENSE" and your down a quick 13. Most coaches woulda had multiple subs. No, lets ride it out, wear down our ice cold starters and be down 18 at half. How'd this game strategy work out? Besides getting another coaching lesson and a spanking from a team with very limited ball skills. Give Davis an A on offense, with a couple short breaks, he probably get even more points.

You say promising young players, I agree.  But with promising young players comes ups and downs. Only studs play 30+ minutes in college, not promising young players. Maryville played 9 players 13+ minutes. Only their star player 30+. Subs worked on Tuesday and they woulda worked on Wednesday, Lack of subs greatly contributed to the Marietta loss as well as the Mt Union and ONU losses.


It seemed only fitting that the Otterbein coach present Maryville with their award and I was surprised the coach didnt award himself the Maryville "MOST VALUABLE" award.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Sounds like you are blaming a sub for losing, if he could get 17/gm, he'd be a starter.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 30, 2010, 01:44:19 PM
"very limited ball skills"?  Is that better or worse than "just ordinary ball skills?"  Is this set of insults about shooting, passing, defending, rebounding, dribbling, assists or what.  We always want to improve.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 03:11:16 PM
What I am saying is ....St Vincent and Maryville are very similar teams, both very athletic with limited ball skills and shooters. The game plan that worked to beat St Vincent would also work against Maryville.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 30, 2010, 03:53:27 PM
Shooting 45% is limited?  More assists than turnovers is bad ball skills?  I am not arguing that this Maryville team is wonderful, but your assessment seems both vague and harsh.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 04:34:28 PM
Bad? I didnt say bad. I said LIMITED which is way better than bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on December 31, 2010, 12:39:58 AM
After handling Redlands without any trouble at all last night (101-67), Marietta survives a survives a back-and-forth game against LaVerne, with a last-second Tyler Halter 3 pointer giving the Pioneers the final 68-66 advantage.

With the win, Marietta (12-0) wraps up its non-conference slate undefeated at 7-0, and the Pioneers continue their best season start ever.  Congratulations to the Pioneers!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 01, 2011, 12:18:52 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 01:15:50 PM
Maryville was not hot.....Otterbein was ice cold. At the 15:00 mark, the Cardinals had 7 T/Os, 4 bad shots, 2 other missed shots and a made layup. Mix that in with the fact that the Cardinals play "NO DEFENSE" and your down a quick 13. Most coaches woulda had multiple subs. No, lets ride it out, wear down our ice cold starters and be down 18 at half. How'd this game strategy work out? Besides getting another coaching lesson and a spanking from a team with very limited ball skills. Give Davis an A on offense, with a couple short breaks, he probably get even more points.

You say promising young players, I agree.  But with promising young players comes ups and downs. Only studs play 30+ minutes in college, not promising young players. Maryville played 9 players 13+ minutes. Only their star player 30+. Subs worked on Tuesday and they woulda worked on Wednesday, Lack of subs greatly contributed to the Marietta loss as well as the Mt Union and ONU losses.


It seemed only fitting that the Otterbein coach present Maryville with their award and I was surprised the coach didnt award himself the Maryville "MOST VALUABLE" award.

Add Hiram to the list ...lack of subs...fatigue...shoulda won
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 03, 2011, 12:17:04 PM
Stevie - Coach Reynolds will be at Otterbein as long as he wants.  For fun, let's say he would hold a press conference today announcing his resignation at the end of the season.    Who would you want as your next coach at Otterbein?  Give me 5 legitimate names.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 03, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
How about shutting off the cruise control and getting the entire PROGRAM back to the top of the OAC, the players(it takes more than 7) are there NOW to succeed.

Cap has nine players averaging double figure minutes. Otterbein has seven, including four at 29.4 or more.  Fatigue is easily measured in numbers. You do the math. Fatigued players shooting pcts drop big time and their feet quit moving on defense.  I agree the team has promising freshmen, but so far they are yet to figure out how to play college defense. If Cap successly hounds the point with continuous fresh players, like Marietta, it could be a painful night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 04, 2011, 01:11:47 PM
Congratulations to Jon VanderWal and Marietta, entering the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index) at #24 this week.  This is the Pioneers' first poll appearance since the 1999-2000 season, when they were ranked for three weeks in January, topping out at #18.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2011, 05:34:20 PM
A terrible, terrible tragedy at JCU. (http://www.jcusports.com/news/2011/1/5/MBB_0105113443.aspx?path=mbball)  Condolences to the family and friends of Matt Crozier and to the JCU men's team on this dreadful news.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 05, 2011, 06:53:32 PM
My sincere thoughts and prayers to the entire JCU basketball family.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 05, 2011, 09:57:25 PM
I watched Matt Crozier play last year vs. Wooster and he was a terrific player.

Deepest sympathies to the family and friends of Matt Crozier as well as the entire JCU basketball family.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 05, 2011, 11:36:38 PM
News like this puts winning and losing in perspective.  Prayers to the Crozier and JCU families!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 05, 2011, 11:42:29 PM
With Baldwin-Wallace and a mourning John Carroll idle, here are tonight's (1/5) results.

Otterbein 60, Capital 71
Capital takes care of business against the cross-town rival, and have now won 8 of the last 10 meetings in this series. Scott Robinson with 21 & 12 for the Crusaders.

Marietta 64, Mount Union 54
Another game, another 50%+ shooting night for the still unbeaten Pioneers, who lead all of DIII in FG%.

Heidelberg 67, Ohio Northern 63
The 'Berg improves to 3-2 in OAC play, picking up a good road win.

Muskingum 56, Wilmington 67
Wilmington picks up its second win in a row after giving #1 Wooster everything it could handle, and finally wins an OAC game.  Next up, an undoubtedly emotional visit to John Carroll on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 05, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
Current OAC Standings (through games of 1/5):

Marietta, 6-0
Capital, 5-1
John Carroll, 3-2
Heidelberg, 3-2
Mount Union, 3-3
Ohio Northern, 3-4
Baldwin-Wallace, 2-4
Muskingum, 2-4
Otterbein, 1-4
Wilmington, 1-5

Marietta's next three games: at Heidelberg, vs. Capital and vs. John Carroll.  Think that's a key stretch for the Pioneers?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: GoRed on January 06, 2011, 01:05:38 AM
Condolences to the Crozier and JCU families.  May they have the strength to get through the challenge of such a tragedy.  The memory of far too many of these events stay with us all. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2011, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on December 30, 2010, 01:15:50 PMYou say promising young players, I agree. 

Quote from: ste24vie on January 03, 2011, 02:41:35 PMI agree the team has promising freshmen,

Wait a minute, Stevie. You kept carping on Coach Reynolds as being too old to recruit, and you gave the Otterbein program a failing grade in terms of recruiting. And yet now you agree with WAlum that Otterbein has "promising young players"?

Perhaps you should choose one side of the argument or the other and stick to it. ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: billy the kid on January 06, 2011, 04:59:53 PM
Well, Stevie and Sager, it usually takes a couple years to grade a recruit. Promising is a long ways from a successful recruit. WINS tend to be the grading scale on recruits and vets. So, now you should be grading the Class of 2011 and 2012.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 06, 2011, 05:45:26 PM
Prayers to the Crozier family and condolences on their loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 07, 2011, 04:39:21 PM
Quote from: billy the kid on January 06, 2011, 04:59:53 PM
Well, Stevie and Sager, it usually takes a couple years to grade a recruit. Promising is a long ways from a successful recruit. WINS tend to be the grading scale on recruits and vets. So, now you should be grading the Class of 2011 and 2012.

No, it takes a couple of years to grade a player. You grade a recruit based upon physical makeup, physical potential, skills, coachability, high-school performance, etc. Stevie suggested pretty strongly that Otterbein's Coach Reynolds was not doing this properly. To then say that Otterbein has "promising freshmen" or "promising young players" contradicts those earlier accusations.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 09, 2011, 01:17:53 PM
Surprised there's been no mention of Marietta losing for the first time this season to Heidelberg yesterday.  Now their next two games with Cap and JCU loom even larger.

Cap could have had a share of first place but they were upset yesterday as well at B-W.

And just when you thought Wilmington might be getting things figured out having won 2 in a row after giving Wooster all they could handle, they go and lay an egg up in University Heights yesterday losing 96-66 to JCU?! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 09, 2011, 01:19:04 PM
John Carroll retakes the floor, and makes a statement, thumping Wilmington 96-66.  Good on 'em. 

Marietta takes their first loss of the season, administered by Heidelberg, 81-77.

Capital fumbles a chance to catch 'Etta at the top of the chart, losing to B-WC 86-79.

Elsewhere,
Mt. Union 69, ONU 56
Otterbein 58, Muskingum 48

Current standings, courtesy of OAC.org:

1.  Marietta 6-1
2.  Capital 5-2
3.  JCU 4-2
3.  Heidelberg 4-2
5.  Mt. Union 4-3
6.  Baldwin-Wallace 3-4
7.  Ohio Northern 3-5
8.  Otterbein 2-4
9.  Muskingum 2-5
10. Wilmington 1-6

Edit--I guess we're on the same wavelength, SF!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 09, 2011, 02:45:37 PM
DC-

Actually Marietta should be 6-1, and Capital is 5-2.


{Thanks!  Duly noted and corrected above.  I blame frozen fingers!}
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3BASKETBALLFAN on January 10, 2011, 08:12:41 AM
What is going on at Ohio Northern ?   They are usually at the top of the OAC, & now they already have five losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2011, 07:38:51 PM
For those who might be interested, Marietta has live stats, audio and video of the game with Capital tonight.

http://pioneers.marietta.edu/index.aspx?path=mbball&tab=basketball

(look down the right side of the page under "calendar")
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2011, 08:16:31 PM
Halftime in Marietta:

Capital 43
Marietta 40

Capital had a double-digit lead for a good part of the first half, thanks to good shooting and some poor defense by Marietta.  Cap's DJ Frazier seems to really present a match-up challenge for the Pioneers defense of his quickness and dribble penetration.

Marietta closes the half very strongly, though, closing the lead to just 3.  Cap was up 12 with about 3 mins to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 12, 2011, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: D3BASKETBALLFAN on January 10, 2011, 08:12:41 AM
What is going on at Ohio Northern ?   They are usually at the top of the OAC, & now they already have five losses.

They were picked 7th this year
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2011, 09:34:54 PM
Final
Capital 82
Marietta 74

Capital picks up the significant road win.  Marietta held a small lead for much of the second half, never more than 4-6 points, but Capital tied around the 5 minute mark and simply executed better down the stretch.  The game was closer than the final appears.  The decisive exchange came after Capital notched a basket to go up four (76-72) with just under two minutes to go.  Marietta missed a three (Halter), then following a Capital miss, and with under a minute left on the clock, Marietta missed all three of its chances on its next possession and once Capital finally managed to get a rebound, Marietta was forced to foul.

Capital sank its free throws from there to give the final margin.

These two teams were competitive throughout—a pretty even match up overall.  I think the OAC this year might have even more parity at the top than it has in some years, with JCU, Cap and Marietta all about even to me.  I would not be surprised to see a 13-5 mark be good enough for at least a share of the regular season title this year, as it was in 2006-07.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 12, 2011, 10:28:10 PM
Posters in a few other conferences regularly track this, and I think it's worth paying attention to in a conference that tends to be as balanced as this one.  These standings reflect conference games only.

The scoring is simple:
road win = +1
road loss or home win = 0
home loss = -1

Marietta +2
Mount Union +2
Capital +1
John Carroll +1
Heidelberg +1
Baldwin-Wallace -1
Otterbein -1
Ohio Northern -1
Muskingum -2
Wilmington -2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 13, 2011, 08:27:12 AM
Otterbein misses another chance to move up in the standings with ANOTHER second half collapse. Now the Cards get a chance to play Wilmington, loser drops into last place in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 13, 2011, 08:31:59 AM
I had a great conversation last weekend with some former division III players.  It was fun to listen to their opinions on coaches they played for, coaches they played against, and current coaches they watch today.  They classified teams that win in three ways:
1)  teams who win because of their coach (equal or worse talent yet the coach finds a way to win the majority of those games)
2) teams who win WITH their coach (teams who play hard and the coach uses the talent he has in the best way - everyone has bought in to the system and their roles- these are the most successful teams yearly and have an established program.  they compete for a league championship almost every year)
3)  teams who win despite of their coach (coaches who usually have the best talent on the floor most nights.  these teams end up only average to good almost every year as they underachieve with the talent they have.  these coaches/teams usually beat the bad teams but cant beat the best teams even though they have the talent to compete with them.  occasionally, they get hot and place in the top 2 in the league but are normally a 3rd-5th place team). 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 15, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
Final
John Carroll 90
Marietta 101

Marietta proves that it belongs in the top 3 of the OAC, and will be a force to reckon with for the OAC title.  Marietta seized control with a small run starting with around 8 minutes left, taking a 4 point lead out to a 12 point lead, and they were able to maintain that advantage throughout the game's close.

Marietta moves to 7-2 in the OAC and will likely share first place in the league with Capital, who is up 69-43 on Muskingum with about 6:30 left.  JCU falls to 5-3 in OAC play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 16, 2011, 08:12:24 AM
This sounds all too familiar. But, Otterbein misses yet another chance to move up in the standings with a dreadful home loss to Wilmington.  How many lessons can the Cardinals coach ignore. Not a single Quaker played 30 minutes while, once again Otterbein had 4 of its starters play 30+. Riding those dead horses IS NOT WORKING.

When is Otterbein Athletic Director Reynolds gonna wake up and fire Coach Reynolds.

The Cards could be, rather should be 6-2 instead of 2-6 in conference play.

COME ON, WAKE UP AND .......FIRE YOURSELF.......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 16, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
Beating a dead horse SteveO.  Reynolds is NOT leaving Otterbein!

Quote from: ste24vie on January 16, 2011, 08:12:24 AM
This sounds all too familiar. But, Otterbein misses yet another chance to move up in the standings with a dreadful home loss to Wilmington.  How many lessons can the Cardinals coach ignore. Not a single Quaker played 30 minutes while, once again Otterbein had 4 of its starters play 30+. Riding those dead horses IS NOT WORKING.

When is Otterbein Athletic Director Reynolds gonna wake up and fire Coach Reynolds.

The Cards could be, rather should be 6-2 instead of 2-6 in conference play.

COME ON, WAKE UP AND .......FIRE YOURSELF.......

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: DIII- Insider on January 17, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
Stevie:

I cannot understand how anybody who is a Otterbein fan can disrespect Dick Reynolds like you have been doing.  He is a OAC and D-III icon.  He has won more games thatn anyone is OAC history I believe and has won a national title which not many OAC schools can claim in any sport especially men's basketball.  I have not followed the OAC as closely in the past few years as I did in the early 2000's and even the 1980's and 1990's.  But if I do remember correctly Otterbein is one of the few OAC schools and maybe the only OAC school now who does not have a full time assistant coach.  That is a huge factor when it comes to recruiting.

And by the way, what men's sports has Otterbein done well in in the past 20-30 years other than basketball?  Again I have not followed things in the OAC as much as I used to but I do not remember their football or baseball teams ever contending for OAC titles.  Just an observation from a neutral party.

When I think of Otterbein College ... I think of Dick Reynolds. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on January 17, 2011, 11:28:59 PM
DIII Insider,
While I agree with ur assesment of Coach Reynolds, he is Otterbein Men's Basketball. To get you caught up he does have a full-time assistant in Kyle Pottkotter. Recruiting at Otterbein has been bleek....lets face it, Coach Reynolds is not exactly shaking every branch on the tree when it comes to recruiting. Thats to say... my guess is he's not out recruiting on Tuesday, Friday & Saturday nights like most DIII head coaches. Your statement about other Cardinals sports is also in need of updating. Football has become competitive, as well as many other sports. Men's golf is nationally ranked most years. And yes, Coach Reynolds is the AD.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 17, 2011, 11:30:23 PM
It's 2011, not 2002 anymore. How many unneccessary years in the basement, surely he is a better coach than what he shows. Am I wrong here? This is not basement talent. Teach them some fundamentals and a press break and most of all cut back on their PT. Check the Marietta post game comments and see what their coach had to say. WEAR EM DOWN AND BEAT EM IN THE END. It's like a re-run on TV, Otterbein winning game after game until the last few minutes of the game. Ask any coach, tired players cannot shoot, cannot defend and can no longer bang inside. Of course,  the OAC and D-III icon doesn't see it that way.  But then again, his team has 2 conference wins nearing the midway point of the season.

Lucky for you to see the glory years. Unfortunately, basketball, including the coaches has a "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY" theme song in 2011.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on January 17, 2011, 11:40:37 PM
So I attended the Mt. Union v BW game tonight with an ol' college pal. Thought taking in a game of the 2 coaches I'm most critical of would perhaps give me some new perspective. NOPE! 2 young teams yes, but lots to ponder. BW loses game after leading by double digits again. I realize there was a lot of game still to go, but BW definately lost game at end of 1st half. Must give credit to Coach Hood for having his team 6-3 in the OAC, his squad is definately not what he had with Richards & Shipp. Gotta get to bed, will give half way report later this week....would love to hear other opinions from ppl who have actually seen some games. Will anyone in the OAC be capable of a tourny run? Can the OAC's finest compete with Wooster & Wittenberg?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 17, 2011, 11:51:06 PM
Otterbein thrashed Wittenberg, 78-64. So, I guess the last place team in the OAC beats one of the best teams in Ohio. Thats what is so frustrating, beating JCU and Wittenberg, and losing to ONU and Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 18, 2011, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on January 17, 2011, 11:30:23 PM
It's 2011, not 2002 anymore. How many unneccessary years in the basement, surely he is a better coach than what he shows. Am I wrong here? This is not basement talent. Teach them some fundamentals and a press break and most of all cut back on their PT. Check the Marietta post game comments and see what their coach had to say. WEAR EM DOWN AND BEAT EM IN THE END. It's like a re-run on TV, Otterbein winning game after game until the last few minutes of the game. Ask any coach, tired players cannot shoot, cannot defend and can no longer bang inside. Of course,  the OAC and D-III icon doesn't see it that way.  But then again, his team has 2 conference wins nearing the midway point of the season.

Lucky for you to see the glory years. Unfortunately, basketball, including the coaches has a "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY" theme song in 2011.

Reynolds has earned the right to leave when he chooses.  Ste24vie is on the spot thought that things have changed for the Otters.  Reynolds never had more than 2 consecutive losing seasons until recently.  The Cards are in their 4th straight losing season and 5 of 6. In his first 33 years the Cards were 583-316 - a winning percentage of .648.   In the last 6 seasons they are 54-89, a winning percentage of .377.  Things are changing in the 'Ville.
54-89
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 18, 2011, 10:42:20 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on January 17, 2011, 11:51:06 PM
Otterbein thrashed Wittenberg, 78-64. So, I guess the last place team in the OAC beats one of the best teams in Ohio. Thats what is so frustrating, beating JCU and Wittenberg, and losing to ONU and Wilmington.

I generally am not too interested in weighing in on the debate about Reynolds and Otterbein, but I do think that saying Otterbein "thrashed" Wittenberg is too generous to Otterbein.  Yes, they did win at home by double-digits, and were in control of the game with a lead throughout the second half, but I don't think it was a "thrashing."  In fact, the major statistical difference in the box score comes from the free throw line, where Otterbein was 22-27 (an excellent percentage) to Wittenberg's 7-10.  It seems more like Wittenberg was done in by poor shooting (9-28 from 3pts) and having key players (like leading scorer Clayton Black & Michael Cooper) get into foul trouble, which caused Coach Bill Brown to go a bit deeper down the bench than normal.  It doesn't seem like Otterbein simply had its way with Witt all evening, as your use of "thrashing" implies.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 18, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
First off, Otterbein beating Witt by 14 is indeed a thrashing.

Second, if Coach Reynolds is going to stay around, its not asking too much of him to do his job. Otterbein has too much talent to be in the basement.

GOOD COACHES CAN WIN WITH MARGINAL TALENT.

SURELY AN OAC AND D-III ICON CAN WIN WITH MARGINAL TALENT. After all, tweaking the few things I mentioned in an earlier post could bump the Cards to the middle of the pack or higher, especially with the conference parity this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2011, 11:17:50 PM
Otterbein did not thrash Wittenberg. Look at the PBP, people.  (http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/custompages/Mbasketball/HTML/game09.htm)Otterbein led by nine points going into the final minute. The Tigers went into foul mode, which is standard operating procedure only in a game in which the trailing team realistically has a chance to win. The Cardinals hit seven of eight free throws in the final fifty seconds to pad the final margin out to fourteen points.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 18, 2011, 11:22:02 PM
The OAC has more or less reached its conference season midpoint, with six of the ten squads having completed the 9-game first circuit through the schedule.  For the most part, OAC teams follow the same order of opponents for the second nine, simply switching the venue.  (For this reason, we'll all have to wait until the final week of the season for Marietta's potentially decisive road trips to Capital and John Carroll.)

An update on where we are now:

1t.  Marietta 7-2
1t.  Capital 7-2
3.   Mount Union 6-3
4t.  John Carroll 5-3
4t.  Heidelberg 5-3
6.   Baldwin-Wallace 3-5
7t.  Wilmington 3-6
7t.  Ohio Northern 3-6
9.   Otterbein 2-6
10. Muskingum 2-7

And in the +/- standings:

road win = +1
road loss or home win = 0
home loss = -1


Mount Union +3
Marietta +2
Capital +1
John Carroll +1
Heidelberg 0
Baldwin-Wallace -1
Wilmington -1
Otterbein -2
Ohio Northern -2
Muskingum -2

Mount Union could be well-positioned for a top four finish, especially if it can manage a home upset of JCU or Capital.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 18, 2011, 11:29:28 PM
Also, if JCU entertains serious notions of winning the league this year, a win tomorrow at Heidelberg seems immensely important.  Indeed the entire next week looks critical to JCU's title hopes, as they go to the 'Berg tomorrow, then welcome Capital at home on Saturday (I'm sure they'd love to capture the season sweep) and then they hit the road again to attempt to put down the upstarts from Mount Union.  (That was a job well accomplished in their 90-65 "thrashing" of UMU the first time around.)  The Blue Streaks might need all three of those victories to stay in the title hunt and atone for the earlier losses to ONU and Otterbein.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 18, 2011, 11:39:18 PM
 When a heavy underdog wins by 14, thats a thrashing in my book. A 25 pt margin is a total embarrassment.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 19, 2011, 08:42:11 AM
A lot of talk about the Otterbein situation but nothing is said about the Muskies program.  In the basement again.  Is there a lack the energy from the leadership?  Will it change?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on January 19, 2011, 09:42:17 PM
Did Reynolds try to recruit you back in the day kiltedbryan?

I agree Reynolds has never been the hardest working recruiter in Ohio and I did not realize he has had 4 straight losing seasons that all being said I still think he has earned every Cardinal fans respect with what he has done over the course of his career.  I will grant you that recruiting is the key to any program and the Otters may need to increase their efforts in that area but I will venture to say the next Cardinal head coach will not be able to attract players like Hempe, McKinney, Brown, Dennis, Laisure, and Gibbs.  Those are some HUGE names in the past twenty years of DIII hoops and they all played for Reynolds.   The fans of Otterbein basketball need to remember those years before they call for a change in Westerville.

I still think he has earned the right to go out on his terms and should not have to answer to anyone else. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 19, 2011, 11:02:02 PM
Quote from: D-III Insider on January 19, 2011, 09:42:17 PM
Did Reynolds try to recruit you back in the day kiltedbryan? 

No. My only significant personal athletic success in organized team sports was a brief high school career as a middle infielder who was solid but not flashy with the glove and who hit for a pretty good average.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 19, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 18, 2011, 11:29:28 PM
Also, if JCU entertains serious notions of winning the league this year, a win tomorrow at Heidelberg seems immensely important.  Indeed the entire next week looks critical to JCU's title hopes, as they go to the 'Berg tomorrow, then welcome Capital at home on Saturday (I'm sure they'd love to capture the season sweep) and then they hit the road again to attempt to put down the upstarts from Mount Union.  (That was a job well accomplished in their 90-65 "thrashing" of UMU the first time around.)  The Blue Streaks might need all three of those victories to stay in the title hunt and atone for the earlier losses to ONU and Otterbein.

JCU follows my advice, winning on the road at Heidelberg 87-82.

Capital survives a sluggish first half at Denison, then rolls in the second half to an 81-58 victory over the Big Red in non-conference action.

Baldwin-Wallace, in action two days after its make-up game with UMU, drops its second of the week, falling at Otterbein 71-74 after losing to UMU by a 70-74 count on Monday.

Everyone in the OAC is now halfway through the conference slate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 19, 2011, 11:13:11 PM
OAC Standings at the halfway point:
(through games of 1/19)

1.  Capital 7-2
1.  Marietta 7-2
3.  Mount Union 6-3
3.  John Carroll 6-3
5.  Heidelberg 5-4
6.  Baldwin-Wallace 3-6
6.  Wilmington 3-6
6.  Ohio Northern 3-6
6.  Otterbein 3-6
10. Muskingum 2-7


And in the +/- standings:

road win = +1
road loss or home win = 0
home loss = -1


Mount Union +3
Marietta +2
John Carroll +2
Capital +1
Heidelberg -1
Baldwin-Wallace -1
Wilmington -1
Otterbein -2
Ohio Northern -2
Muskingum -2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 20, 2011, 09:01:25 AM
Midseason Awards:
Most Surprising Team Award - Marietta and Mount
Most disappointing Team Award - ONU and Otterbein
Coach of the Year:  Jon VanderWal, Marietta
Player of the Year: Chris Davis, Otterbein
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2011, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on January 18, 2011, 11:39:18 PM
When a heavy underdog wins by 14, thats a thrashing in my book.

Your book needs editing. ;) No game that was competitive going into the final minute can be characterized as a "thrashing" in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on January 20, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
What has happened to Muskingum?  When Jim Burson was in charge they were always competitive.  Even if they were not a top four OAC team they always competed hard .... especially in New Concord.  I am sure it cannot be easy to recruit in New Concord but is the cupboard really that bare in southeastern Ohio?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 20, 2011, 09:45:24 PM
Gregory, lets just agree to disagree. Once the Cards increased their lead to double digits, it stayed there nearly the entire 2nd half. Only the one time did it get down to 9 and bounced back to 14. Witt's problem was letting Otterbein walk the ball down the floor and throw it in to Davis on the block. If you dont press the Cards, they should throw it to Davis every time down the floor. Its the full court pressure that drives them crazy cuz they have no legit press break.

Mount is definitely the most surprising team and Wilmington is the biggest dis appointment. Davis is a one man team for Otterbein and VanderWal has the Pioneers rolling.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BogeyMan on January 21, 2011, 10:52:00 AM
Really like what Jon VaderWal is doing at Marietta.  Marietta has not had much luck in basketball over the last several years and it looks like a real young coach is making a go of it.  I believe Coach VanderWal will move up the coaching ladder very fast.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on January 21, 2011, 09:24:47 PM
Mount Union MEN in second place on the OAC. Damn. I lived long enough for Hood to go 500.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on January 21, 2011, 11:11:19 PM
70'sRaider- Season aint over, im predicting 3-6, maybe 2-7 2x around OAC!
DIII Insider - Muskie is below average in talent, and has a Hd. Coach who is basically in retirement, like Coach Reynolds, not much recruiting going on. Coach Ford is NO Coach Burson!!
WAlum - Surprise team - Mt. 6-3 in conference?!! Dissapointing team - Wilmington & BW, COY - Vanderwal, MVP - Maurice Haynes when it's all said & done.
I'm predicting JCU, Marietta, Capital, Berg, Wilmington, MT., ONU, OTT, BW, Muskie.
3 Programs that will be better with new coaches...OTTERBEIN, Mt. Union, and Muskie. I'm giving BW's Sheldon more time - only his 3rd year at BW but early results are below average, the Jackets have fallen on hard times. Sheldon's record at Berg wasnt good there either, basically had 1 good year out of 6 or 7 seasons. Jackets have talent IMO, they are young but besides Marietta & John Carroll, who isnt?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on January 21, 2011, 11:24:40 PM
Albert:

Do you really think any of the OAC programs will make coaching changes after the season?  D-III schools don't often fire coaches for lack of wins.  The OAC schools certainly does not have that type of reputation.

Think of some of the tenures these former and present OAC coaches have had:

Dick Reynolds at Otterbein
Steve Bankson at BW
Jim Burson at Muskingum
Gale Daugherty & Joe Campoli at ONU
John Hill at Heidelberg
Phil Roach at Marietta (Doug Foote too)
Mike Moran at JCU

 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on January 22, 2011, 10:09:09 PM
DIII Insider,
No I dont expect any coaching changes. I'm simply saying these programs would/will be better when new coaches take over. It's D3 and firings shouldnt be like they are in D1. Its obvious these are RETIREMENT jobs - jobs that only open when a coach retires ie Burson, Bankson, Campoli. Moran, Goodwin, & Hood been there for awhile now. Reynolds will probably be next to retire, but I dont see that happening in next couple years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 22, 2011, 10:50:20 PM
Today in the OAC goes mostly according to form.  Home teams listed second.

Otterbein    82    Mount Union    61   
Marietta    67    Baldwin-Wallace 63       
Capital    77    John Carroll    82       
ONU     62    Muskingum        54       
H'Berg    79    Wilmington        74

JCU continues to follow the plan I outlined for them, and have now swept the season series with Capital, meaning they own that tiebreaker and is now functionally in second at 7-3. The one mild surprise on the day is Ott's win over UMU—that's a good victory for the Cardinals. Three other favorites also win on the road; probably a somewhat infrequent day in the OAC where four road teams win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 22, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
OAC Standings
(through games of 1/22)

1.  Marietta 8-2
2.  John Carroll 7-3
2.  Capital 7-3
4.  Mount Union 6-4
4.  Heidelberg 6-4
6.  Ohio Northern 4-6
6.  Otterbein 4-6
8.  Baldwin-Wallace 3-7
8.  Wilmington 3-7
10. Muskingum 2-8
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 23, 2011, 02:37:39 PM
Otterbein put 5 players in double figures and quality bench minutes led the Cards to another upset win in a rematch with 3rd place Mount Union. CJ Julian, back from where ever it was he went for a game, led the way with  a career high 19 points in front of his hometown boosters. The 'Beinies coach used a much better rotation and the Mount was never really in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 26, 2011, 11:20:14 PM
   7:00 PM    Wilmington (Ohio)    67    Capital    68    Final       
     7:30 PM    John Carroll    80    Mount Union    78    Final       
     7:30 PM    Baldwin-Wallace    62    Heidelberg    83    Final       
     7:30 PM    Muskingum    50    Marietta    67    Final       
     7:30 PM    Otterbein    64    Ohio Northern    46    Final
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 28, 2011, 12:38:52 AM
Saturdays big game ......Marietta at Otterbein....Are the Cards a "CONTENDER" or "PRETENDER"? At Marietta, the 'Beinies got a Pioneer lesson on fatigue. Up just 4 points in the middle of the second half, the Pioneers blew the game wide open with continuous layups and dunks while the worn out Cards could only watch. Only the Cardinal starters played double figure minutes, while Marietta went 10 deep.

See Coach V post game interview....

http://pioneers.marietta.edu/news/2010/12/11/MBB_1211100718.aspx

Marietta will play an up tempo game and lots of subs with continuous pressure on the ball. It WILL take more than 5 players to beat Marietta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2011, 12:21:54 AM
Today's finals:

Capital 77, Mount Union 65
Wilmington 75, Baldwin-Wallace 68
John Carroll 72, Ohio Northern 76
Muskingum 68, Heidelberg 76
Marietta 65, Otterbein 63

OAC Standings
(through games of 1/29)

1.  Marietta 10-2
2.  Capital 9-3
3.  John Carroll 8-4
3.  Heidelberg 8-4
5.  Mount Union 6-6
6.  Ohio Northern 5-7
6.  Otterbein 5-7
8.  Wilmington 4-8
9.  Baldwin-Wallace 3-9
10. Muskingum 2-10

Marietta and Capital get the road wins they needed; Ohio Northern takes out JCU at home, completing a season sweep of the Blue Streaks.

Tough road ahead for Capital--three more road games @ONU, 'Berg and Ott.

Third place is up for grabs Wednesday when 'Berg goes to JCU. The Blue Streaks won the first match-up at Heidelberg, so H'berg will be looking to return the favor and avoid the season sweep.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2011, 12:36:08 AM
The Marietta-Otterbein game was close throughout. 14 ties. Otterbein was up 11 early, and took an 8-point lead into the half, but Marietta scored the first 8 points of the second half to close the deficit. Marietta had its largest lead (by 5) with 7 to go, but Otterbein quickly closed it and it was a one possession game for the remainder of the contest.

FYI Pat: The recap (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2010-11/contrib/20110129xp0elj) indicates that the game ended on a true buzzer-beater. Marietta freshman Tyler Hammond made a floater in the lane as time expired for the victory. Not sure that there is video though, as Otterbein doesn't seem to advertise anything other than live stats on its webpage.

Since Otterbein's depth/lack of it/substitution patterns have been of such interest here...the Cardinals went 7 deep today. Chris Davis played 39 mins and Max Van Meter went for 32. Total bench minutes were 82 for Otterbein compared to only 57 for Marietta.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2011, 12:39:37 AM
Marietta said it was a true buzzer-beater and said it would expedite video. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 30, 2011, 02:34:00 AM
Score tied, Otterbein not wanting to foul, played little defense and let him go coast to coast and finish with a running floater and the buzzer sounded while the ball was in the air. NUTTIN BUT NET...GAME OVER.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 30, 2011, 02:48:08 AM
Kilt, check your math ..........Otterbein subs played 54 minutes, and Marietta 57. As brutal as the paint is, Davis cannot be effective for 39 minutes, he must get a few minutes rest. But T/Os killed the Cardinals, 22 to Mariettas 11. Points off turnovers, 'Etta 17, Otterbein 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 30, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
Otterbein must have put forth a great effort to almost pull the upset.    Marietta keeps finding ways to stay on the top.

JCU was a game behind Marietta but hurt themselves yesterday.  No title this year.

Wilmington gets a win over B-W to move to 4-8 on the season.  I remember when B-W competed near the top of the OAC.

Heidelberg over Muskingum.  The Muskies are now 2-10 in the OAC.  See above the days of competing in the OAC.

Mount is coming back to reality. Cap is hanging in there trying to sneak a share of the title.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 30, 2011, 03:02:41 PM
I was at the otterbein game  last night and it is the second best I have seen this year(wilmington-cap being the best). Great finish reminds of the best game I have ever seen the game between wooster and capital in the tournament two years ago. That freshman from marietta is fun too watch and it is great to see that otterbein finally can play in the middle, something they have been lacking for a few years. Just too bad davis has to play the entire game. One question I have I hope someone can answer is this. Does anyone know why Brice Rausch hasn't been playing for otterbein for the last few games? Could have made a difference last night if nothing else it would have given the cards a longer bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 30, 2011, 04:10:20 PM
Rausch left the BW game with an ankle injury and hasnt played since.

As far as resting Davis, its an absolute must to be more effective down the stretch when they need him most.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 30, 2011, 05:28:41 PM
thanks for the info on Rausch. I hadn't been too see any otterbein games since the bw game so I had no clue. Worse was none of the folks around me last night knew the answer either. Hopefully he will be back soon.

david
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 30, 2011, 06:43:18 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on January 30, 2011, 02:48:08 AM
Kilt, check your math ..........Otterbein subs played 54 minutes, and Marietta 57. As brutal as the paint is, Davis cannot be effective for 39 minutes, he must get a few minutes rest. But T/Os killed the Cardinals, 22 to Mariettas 11. Points off turnovers, 'Etta 17, Otterbein 6.

Good catch- sorry! It was 54 to 57 on the off-the-bench minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 30, 2011, 06:54:30 PM
I agree with the turnovers killing otterbein's chances last night. That stretch early when they went 7 straight possession's  without a shot was a killer for sure. Good thing marietta was having trouble hitting shots early or it wouldn't have been as close.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on January 30, 2011, 10:59:58 PM
WALUM,
Dont expect BW or Muskie to be competing in the top half of OAC any time soon. Coach Ford was a much better HS coach at Cambridge where he many times had better talent. Lack of recruiting to New Concord isnt helping...tough job. They have one of the more veteran teams in conference and yet are in last place. Big show down coming up with BW for 9th & 10th place. BW is young with talent, especially Kenny Payne. Problem is Sheldon cant win close games or out coach any OAC coaches. He needs the best talent to win and even then is not a sure thing, not that anything ever is in the OAC. I just know his Heidelberg teams never won till his last year and even then they finished 2nd, yet had the most talented team. They did win OAC tourny, but were a 1 and done in NCAA. After 9 years on the college scene Sheldon has had 2 winning seasons. 1 at Berg and 1 at BW (14-11). Forecast in Berea - not so sunny future!!

FYI - Coach Chris Kibler who was Steve Bankson's top assistant for several years at BW is now at Hiram College. I know Coach Kibler is a very good recruiter (bc he tried to recruit me)and coach. Also, Hiram beat BW this year at BW, and last year at Hiram. Not sure how long he has been at Hiram, but from what I understand, BW did not give him a shot at the job. Kinda sad situation from what I hear. I'm sure things would be different in Berea. PS Hiram is 3-1 vs OAC, tho lost came to Muskie.

Also - hate to brag but I did predict the Mt. Union collapse, wilmigton rise coming on, tho my JCU pick is not looking so hot.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 31, 2011, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: albertjackson on January 30, 2011, 10:59:58 PM
WALUM,
Dont expect BW or Muskie to be competing in the top half of OAC any time soon. Coach Ford was a much better HS coach at Cambridge where he many times had better talent. Lack of recruiting to New Concord isnt helping...tough job. They have one of the more veteran teams in conference and yet are in last place. Big show down coming up with BW for 9th & 10th place. BW is young with talent, especially Kenny Payne. Problem is Sheldon cant win close games or out coach any OAC coaches. He needs the best talent to win and even then is not a sure thing, not that anything ever is in the OAC. I just know his Heidelberg teams never won till his last year and even then they finished 2nd, yet had the most talented team. They did win OAC tourny, but were a 1 and done in NCAA. After 9 years on the college scene Sheldon has had 2 winning seasons. 1 at Berg and 1 at BW (14-11). Forecast in Berea - not so sunny future!!

FYI - Coach Chris Kibler who was Steve Bankson's top assistant for several years at BW is now at Hiram College. I know Coach Kibler is a very good recruiter (bc he tried to recruit me)and coach. Also, Hiram beat BW this year at BW, and last year at Hiram. Not sure how long he has been at Hiram, but from what I understand, BW did not give him a shot at the job. Kinda sad situation from what I hear. I'm sure things would be different in Berea. PS Hiram is 3-1 vs OAC, tho lost came to Muskie.

Also - hate to brag but I did predict the Mt. Union collapse, wilmigton rise coming on, tho my JCU pick is not looking so hot.

So are you telling me both coaches are going to live off their reputations as players and the programs are going to struggle?   Why do administrations hire coaches like this when there are other coaches who would make the programs competitive?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on January 31, 2011, 10:02:37 PM
If Muskingum is such a difficult job, then how did Jim Burson manage to compete so well for all those years in New Concord? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 31, 2011, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: D-III Insider on January 31, 2011, 10:02:37 PM
If Muskingum is such a difficult job, then how did Jim Burson manage to compete so well for all those years in New Concord? 

Great point on Burson but I dont believe there is any pressure on the Muskingum administration to make a change.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 01, 2011, 09:52:16 PM
With so many opinions on here about coacvhes in the OAC... I am curious to find out how
would all the OAc followers rate the OAC coaches from top to bottom?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 01, 2011, 10:21:58 PM
My current OAC coaches rankings are as follows:

1.  Moran - JCU  - When he inherited this program it was a joke.  He has made it a OAC force year in year out.
2.  Reynolds - Otterbein - Still a great caoch regardless of what Stevie thinks.  National Title.  Numerous OAC titles.  Test of time.
3.  Goodwin - Capital - His teams are always tough and well prepared.  Not many better compliments for a coach.
4.  Vanderwahl - Marietta - simply a remarkable turnaround in southern Ohio.  He has program at a place it has not been since the days
                                           of Phil Roach in the 1970's.  Can they finish what they ahve started?
5.  Gholson - Heidelberg - a solid OAC player at ONU in the late 80's and has done a credible job in his short tenure in Tiffin.
6.  Hunt - Wilmington - Had a nice run from obscurity not too long ago.  Now can he back it up?
7.  Sheldon - BW - Not much at his alma mater yet.  Bankson had them contending often later in his tenure.  Did win an OAC tourney title
                             in Tiffin not thta long ago.
8.  Hood - Mt. Union - Hard to imagine as long as he has been there they have only had one good run in the 90's with Shipp/Richards.
                                  Obviouslu the AD (Kehres) only cares about football or he may have been gone years ago.
9.  Rhodes - ONU - Hard to imagine ONU toward the bottom of the OAC standings.  Not since early 90's have they struggled like this.
10.  Ford - Muskingum - Their struggles show how important recruiting is at the collegiate level.   

Any responses?

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 02, 2011, 12:53:40 AM
DIII Insider,
Coach Burson was old-school, his teams were always competitive but rarely competed for OAC championship. He did become a leading teacher of the princeton offense late in his career. I think he may have led the team to a OAC final 4 1x utilizing that offense. Biggest difference b/w him and the Ford's... his career was defined there and he putting a lot more into than the Geno or Gene.

Ranking the OAC coaches -
#1 Dick Reynold's - winningest OAC coach all-time I believe. a National Title.
#2 Mike Moran - kids play hard and have won a lot of OAC championships under him, though I'd say the catholic school affiliation and location are tremendous advantages.
#3 Damon Goodwin - I agree - kids always play hard and are well prepared.
#4 Vanderwahl - getting it done or right place, right time?
#5 Hunt - has made Quakers significant in OAC
#6 Gholson - solid job thus far
#7 Rhodes by default - early returns not pretty
#8 Sheldon - not real impressed with
#9 Hood - 1 championship season in 20 yrs. at Mt. Union - really?? Football school or not - come on man!
#10 Ford - knows the game but isnt fully invested in getting the job done, in his prime #4


Not sure why I descriminate vs Coach Ford and not Coach Reynolds other than their body of work in OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 02, 2011, 07:42:45 AM
#1 Moran - program changer. has the team near the top again.
#2 Goodwin - solid teams every year.  his teams compete!
#3 Vanderwahl - program changer.  can he keep his team near the top on a yearly basis?
#4 Hunt - Wilmington competed for OAC titles. wilmington? yes, wilmington.  credit to the coach.
#5 Reynolds - career numbers are unmatched but the otters have fallen off the last 5-6 years.  my ranking is based on "what have you done for me lately" (last 5 years) rather than a whole career.
#6 Gholson - solid.  still has a lot to prove.
#7 Rhodes.  as mentioned above, here by default over the bottom 3
#8 Sheldon - good coaching situations but little to show for it at the berg and now at BW.
#9 Hood - does a good job of keeping football #1 at the Mount.
#10 Ford - great HS coach.  like others have said from the outside looking in, lacking the energy to change the program and be successful. unfair to the college and the student-athletes
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BogeyMan on February 02, 2011, 08:56:58 AM
1.  Vanderwahl - changed Marietta basketball, Marietta will be a force as long as he is there
2.  Moran
3.  Goodwin
4.  Gholson - he may move up in the next couple of years

Reynolds is not at the top now, but was over his career
Hunt - for some reason still not sure about him

Rhodes, Hood, Ford and Sheldon won't ever move up
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 02, 2011, 01:27:48 PM
There's no H in VanderWal, folks.

As of now, the Marietta/Wilmington games (men at Wilma, women at Etta) are still on for tonight.  Everything else has been postponed until tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 02, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
Albert:

I did some research in regards to Jim Burson's career after reading your post.  I don't think you realize how many times he had the Muskie program in contention in the OAC.  An in most of the years he was leading Muskingum, Wittenberg was also in the OAC and dominating it like it has the NCAC until Wooster recent overtaking of that dominant position in NCAC.

Do you realize he coached at Muskie for 38 years.  True he was old school and yes he only led them to 2 OAC regular season titles.  But they won the OAC Tournament three other times.  And also finished second in the regular season 4 times and finished third in the standings 5 times.  That is 11/38 years being in the top three.  In addition he led Muskingum into the D-III National Tournament 5 times.   He also was voted OAC Coach of the Year (6) times. 

Since he has left the Muskie sideline they have finished no higher than 4th and look like they may be headed to their second consecutive last place finish.  Maybe they should see if he wants to make a comeback in New Concord.

It is ironic the only times they won the OAC regular season title was when Gene Ford was his star player. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:16:51 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 02, 2011, 03:30:53 PM
Other interesting numbers via OAC Media Guide:

Reynolds - has won 61% of his games in 38 years
Moran - JCU - has won 63% of his games in 19 years
Goodwin -  Cap - has won 62% in 15 years


Burson - Muskingum - won 57% of his games in 38 years - maybe not such a tough job after all?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 02, 2011, 05:12:42 PM
Otterbein is 29-65 over the last 4 seasons....31%......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 02, 2011, 10:32:39 PM
Marietta and Wilmington did manage to get their games in tonight.  I guess the weather in southern Ohio isn't so bad.  Marietta won the men's game, 76-70, at Wilma.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 03, 2011, 09:47:34 PM
MUC drops their 4th straight OAC game tonight....at home....to last place Musky.  The wheels may officially be off the Raider wagon at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 03, 2011, 09:49:24 PM
7:30 PM    Marietta    76    Wilmington (Ohio)    70    Final       
7:00 PM    Heidelberg    69    John Carroll    81    Final       
7:30 PM    Capital    65    Ohio Northern    72    Final       
7:30 PM    Otterbein    76    Baldwin-Wallace    56    Final       
7:30 PM    Muskingum    69    Mount Union    62    Final
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 03, 2011, 10:44:20 PM
1.  Marietta 11-2
2.  Capital 9-4
3.  John Carroll 9-4
3.  Heidelberg 8-5
5.  Mount Union 6-7
6.  Ohio Northern 6-7
6.  Otterbein 6-7
8.  Wilmington 4-9
9.  Baldwin-Wallace 3-10
10. Muskingum 3-10
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 03, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
Otterbein has now reached .500 on the season, and has won four of its last five games, three of them by 18 points or more.  The only loss in that stretch was by 2 to league-leader Marietta.  
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 04, 2011, 01:50:55 AM
Otterbein has finally cut back on the PT for the starters, only Davis played 30+(33). But they must rotate in a big man if they gonna beat the best teams in the conference and take better care of the ball. Big upcoming stretch of games for the Cards. JCU, Cap, da 'Berg and Wilmington still yet to play. All play high pressure defenses, something that Otterbein struggles with. Especially when they have trouble getting the ball to Davis on the block. BW double and triple teamed Davis all night and left the others open time and time again.

SUBS AND FUNDAMENTALS and pound it in to Davis.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 04, 2011, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: ste24vie on February 04, 2011, 01:50:55 AM
Otterbein has finally cut back on the PT for the starters, only Davis played 30+(33). But they must rotate in a big man if they gonna beat the best teams in the conference and take better care of the ball. Big upcoming stretch of games for the Cards. JCU, Cap, da 'Berg and Wilmington still yet to play. All play high pressure defenses, something that Otterbein struggles with. Especially when they have trouble getting the ball to Davis on the block. BW double and triple teamed Davis all night and left the others open time and time again.

SUBS AND FUNDAMENTALS and pound it in to Davis.

Maybe you were hoping for the wrong thing to occur in Westerville. You wanted reynolds to lose so he would retire.  He might want to finish his carreer on a high note. Root for the Otters and maybe he will grant you your wish.   ;D   Or maybe he wont.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 05, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
Maybe Reynolds is learning how to coach after all.... it has only been 38 years, numerous OAC Titles, multiple Final Fours, and a NCAA Title.  Not much of a resume there, eh. 

My guess is Stevie need not worry about the coaching in Westerville.  Just a thought.......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 05, 2011, 12:31:57 PM
4:00 PM    Wilmington (Ohio) @ Mount Union             
4:00 PM    Otterbein  @ John Carroll             
4:00 PM    Ohio Northern  @ Marietta             
4:00 PM    Capital  @Heidelberg             
4:30 PM    Baldwin-Wallace  @ Muskingum
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 05, 2011, 10:07:03 PM
12-2 Marietta
10-4 Capital
10-4 Capital
8-6 Heidelberg
7-7 Mount Union
6-8 Otterbein
6-8 Ohio Northern
4-10 Wilmington
4-10 Muskingum
3-11 Baldwin Wallace
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 05, 2011, 10:38:28 PM
Took in the JCU v Otterbein game tonight - exciting game. Just looked at the scores, surprised by Mt.'s win over Quakers. Guess I was wrong about Quackers making 2nd half surge. Big game coming up for Wilmington & Muskies - winner probably makes tourny as 8 seed. Noticed Pioneers play JCU & Cap. last week of season - big games in deciding title. Marietta should at least share with 2 easier games next week, but I should bite my tongue, this is the OAC. What's the deal in Berea? Another loss to Muskie? When was last time Muskie swept YellowJackets? BW is officially in last place. Considering their location and facility not sure how that happens. Your 25 minutes from downtown Cleveland!! Aint like Marietta, Muskingum, Heidelberg, Wilmington or even Ada. A lot of schools/players on cleveland's west side alone. Just within 40 minutes there are more schools around BW than Muskie, Marietta, Wilmington, and Ada combined!! Bring back Bankston!! I dont care if he's 85 - he won! Sheldon 93-136 lifetime, 29-42 at BW both 40% Bankston won 56%!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 06, 2011, 01:28:15 PM
As long as we are correcting the spelling of coaches' names----there is no t in Bankson.  Just thought I would throw that in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 09, 2011, 11:16:37 AM
Capital at Otterbein.......another chance for the Cards to show they belong in the top half of the conference. Cap needs a win to keep pace with JCU.

Both teams like to take it inside, foul trouble could be a big factor especially for the Beinies. Otterbein has 6'7, 6'6 and 6'5 on the bench and subs in a 5'7 guy for a big man. Like the game against JCU, if Davis gets in foul trouble, Otterbein has no seasoned big man to replace him. Cap will look most every time to Robertson inside, and kick out to Munro for the open three.

Look for an unexpected hero tonight from the winning team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 09, 2011, 10:46:27 PM
good job by the cards tonight. I have only been watching them for 4 years now but that is easily the best overall game I have seen them play. Julian was on fire in the second half. Good to see him doing well. One question though. When the game ended the score on the scoreboard was 81-58(I even have a picture of that). Now Otterbein, Capital, and the OAC show the final as 82-58. Does anyone know if the latter is correct and why the change was made?

David

P.S. Go Cards
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 10, 2011, 01:01:05 AM
WOW !!!!!!! That was a great game played by Otterbein tonight taking down the Capital Crusaders. More assists than turnovers, great shooting, balanced scoring....A TOTAL TEAM EFFORT.

The unexpected hero ...CJ Julian with 13 points in about the first 4 minutes of the 2nd half to blow the game wide open.

Three big conference games remain.....Win out and prolly get 4th place and a first round home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 12, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Ohio Northern 74, Mount Union 65       
Baldwin-Wallace 64, Capital 61       
Wilmington (Ohio) 93, John Carroll 85
Marietta 73, Heidelberg 61          
Otterbein 65, Muskingum 52    
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 12, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Quote from: WAlum on February 12, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Ohio Northern 74, Mount Union 65       
Baldwin-Wallace 64, Capital 61       
Wilmington (Ohio) 93, John Carroll 85
Marietta 73, Heidelberg 61    
      
Otterbein 65, Muskingum 52    


Wow.  Marietta just pretty much put a stanglehold on the top seed coming out of the OAC tonight with JCU's and Cap's unexpected losses today...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 13, 2011, 12:10:27 AM
Life in the OAC...BW (last place) sweeps Capital (#3 seed) after losing both times to #9 Muskingum. #8 Wilmington beats #2 JCU. Mount 6-3 first time around OAC, 1-6 after 7 2nd time. Its official BW & Muskie out of tourny. 123 set, 456 all tied up, and Wimington & Mount battling out for 7-8.

Some random thoughts....I doubt Marietta wants to play Quakers in 1st round, JCU must win tourny to get in NCAA, JCU-BW no longer a rivalry, Otterbein winning and Mt. losing as I predicted, dont think BW would rather have Banskon at the helm? Yellow Jackets out of OAC tourny 2 out of 3 years since his departure! And people want Reynolds out at Otterbein?! Crazy, best coach in the league!! Schools underachieving...per my usual horn blowing....BW and Mount!! Next year...Cap drops, Marietta everyone back, JCU still contender, ONU/Otterbein/Wilm/Berg better but middle of the pack, BW - has to be better, cant get any worse!, Muskie & Mount same ol same old!

Question how will Marietta do come NCAA Tourny time? Will they win OAC tourny?

P.S. Bouncer1... thanks for the correction (Bankson not Bankston), think I've made that mistake before.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 14, 2011, 05:56:33 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 12, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Quote from: WAlum on February 12, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Ohio Northern 74, Mount Union 65       
Baldwin-Wallace 64, Capital 61       
Wilmington (Ohio) 93, John Carroll 85
Marietta 73, Heidelberg 61    
      
Otterbein 65, Muskingum 52    


Wow.  Marietta just pretty much put a stanglehold on the top seed coming out of the OAC tonight with JCU's and Cap's unexpected losses today...

Actually Marietta clinched its first OAC Championship since 1975 with those losses.  Last year Marietta finished in a tie for 8th.

Marietta is 3 up with 2 to go, and the big week with games @ both JCU and Capital is now pretty much meaningless for the OAC Championship.

Congrats to the Pioneers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 15, 2011, 03:56:37 PM
Congrats to Marietta and soon to be Coach of the Year. 

Now, it looks like there could be a lot of positioning the last week of the season. That 4th home game is still up for grabs. Huge games Wed, da Berg at Otterbein and ONU at Wilmington. The Quakers are trying to get away from 8th place and a painful first round matchup at Marietta. Otterbein, Heidelberg or ONU  need to win out to grab the last tournament home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:30:42 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 18, 2011, 11:08:50 AM
Trying to figure this out. Can the Muskies make the OAC tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 18, 2011, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: WAlum on February 18, 2011, 11:08:50 AM
Trying to figure this out. Can the Muskies make the OAC tournament?
No, and neither can Baldwin-Wallace.  In fact, except for who gets the home game in the #4/#5 game, the bracket is set (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/sports/2011/1/15/MBB_2011OACTournament.aspx):

#8 Wilmington at #1 Marietta
#7 Mt. Union at #2 John Carroll
#6 Otterbein at #3 Capital
#4/#5: Heidelberg vs. Ohio Northern, site TBA
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 18, 2011, 12:18:48 PM
Things are rough then in New Concord.  2 consecutive seasons not making the OAC tournament correct? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 19, 2011, 12:16:19 AM
WAlum,
Not just New Concord, Berea & Alliance too! BW 9th place 2 out of last 3 yrs...unimaginable! Alliance's Mt. Union Purple Raiders hasnt finished in the top 5 since 2003! Raiders last 7 finishes 2011 -7th, 2010 - 7th, 2009 - 7th, 2008 - 8th, 2007 9th or 10th, 2006 - 8th, 2005 -7th, 2004 6th but did make championship game.  Raiders average losing margin in OAC tourny since 1999 - 15pts. Basically Coach Hood has had 5 good years in 19, and only once did they play in the NCAA's, 1997. That team was sic good with Shipp & Richards inside. 8 straight years in the bottom half of the OAC???? C'mon man! Mt. Union gots to be better than that no?! Thank Goodness we have football! Question is, is it Kehres who doesnt care about hoops as AD/Football Coach or is it Coach Hood? My vote - BOTH! Cant believe Kehres has allowed the bball program to fall this low. And it appears BW may be headed in similar direction under Sheldon.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 19, 2011, 12:36:20 AM
POY thoughts? COY - Has to be Vanderwal! If Marietta doesnt win tourny are they out of NCAA's? A 1st rd. match-up with Wilmington not very rewarding for a 1 seed. Pioneers won by 11 & 6 vs Quakers this year. If Marietta who has really found ways to win all year long doesnt win tourny, is anyone but JCU capable of winning OAC tourny and representing conference in NCAA? How about grades for this year? Here's mine;

Pioneers A -easy, JCU A- lots of injuries and tough loss in teammate Matt Crozier, Capital B+ better than expected but losing 2x to #9 BW prevents an A, ONU B ok young team, Heidelberg C - expected lil more, Otterbein B - solid .500 season as always competed, Wilmington D underachieved, new roles after heavy graduation losses never materialized, Mt. U C - as expected, BW D - young, injuries derailed a lil, but still underachieved, Muskie C - lack of talent but competed. I'd also like to hear tourny predictions. Im taking JCU but I dont anticipate much of an NCAA run, maybe a game or 2 at best.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 19, 2011, 01:23:26 PM
Coach of the Year is a no brainer..

Player of the Year, statistically would seem to be easy. But, Davis lead the conference in scoring and rebounding and averaged 35 minutes a game for a 6th place team. White, a preseason All-American was close behind in scoring, but on an 8th place team. Knab and Halter, playing in a team system and logging considerably less minutes on a FIRST place team also seem like logical choices. Breaking down the scoring per minute played, White is at .65 pts per minute played, Davis is .54 pts per minute played and Knab is .53 per minute played. Any of the 3 is a great choice. All have had great individual seasons.

Surprise team of the year is without a doubt, Marietta. Preseason voted 4th place tie.

Bust of the year must be Baldwin Wallace.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 19, 2011, 01:39:55 PM
Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde team must be Otterbein. They held ONU to 14 points in a half but gave up 99 to JCU. Most games they refused to give in to fatigue, losing many games in the last 5 minutes of the game. Picked 9th in preseason and finishing 6 seems good, but shoulda finished a lot higher. Never figured out a player rotation to compete with the high pressure teams like Wilmington and Heidelberg and Marietta just flat out schooled them with 2 fatigue lessons. The teams that let the Cards walk the ball up the floor and toss it in to Davis usually led to an Otterbein victory.

Its the end of the year .....

Learn from the lessons....

SUBS + TAKE CARE OF THE BALL = VICTORY
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 19, 2011, 10:59:25 PM
I agree with what you say about otterbein's problems bringing the ball up. It does seem though it was pretty much confined to one particular player for the cards . I always found it interesting more teams didn't press the cards when julian was in the game. In the maryville game in particular he threw the ball away at least 5 times on the same trap play. Still the cards play well in the tournament and it is great to see them back in it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 22, 2011, 04:04:44 PM
Did ya notice ?

The 2 Columbus teams play each other, the 2 northwestern teams play each other, two of the northeastern teams play each other and the 2 southernmost teams play each other although they are 3 hours apart probably.

Who feels good about their spot in the bracket and I woulda bet the ranch on ONU gettin a first round home game. They scored 14, yup thats right, 14 first half points against Otterbein at ONU.

Marietta gotta be worried about their draw. Especially if the Quakes take it to the hole instead of launching bombs.

Otterbein dug themselves an early season grave by losing to ONU and Mount Union, games they should have won easily. Dreaming about beating Cap, JCU and Marietta all in a row if the seeds win out.

Marietta's spot gotta be looking good, they should be in the NCAA win or lose. Everybody else needs to win out to dance.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 22, 2011, 09:20:28 PM
The final scores

Game 1: #8 Wilmington 73 at #1 Marietta College 84
Game 2: #7 Mount Union 68 at #2 John Carroll 75
Game 3: #6 Otterbein 47 at #3 Capital 76


Game 4: #5 Heidelberg at #4 Ohio Northern • 8 p.m.

at last look this was a 3 point ONU lead with 10 minutes to play
http://www2.onu.edu/livestats/mbb/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 22, 2011, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: sac on February 22, 2011, 09:20:28 PM
The final scores

Game 1: #8 Wilmington 73 at #1 Marietta College 84
Game 2: #7 Mount Union 68 at #2 John Carroll 75
Game 3: #6 Otterbein 47 at #3 Capital 76


Game 4: #5 Heidelberg at #4 Ohio Northern • 8 p.m.

at last look this was a 3 point ONU lead with 10 minutes to play
http://www2.onu.edu/livestats/mbb/xlive.htm

Going to OT in Ada, Ohio tied at 65
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2011, 09:43:35 PM
OT in Ada.

65-65 at the end of regulation. ONU's Staley blocks 'Berg's last-second attempt for the win.

Now 71-71 with 3.1 left, Heidelberg to inbound in its half court for the opportunity to win...

Now trading timeouts...

Inbound goes back out-of-bounds...remains with Heidelberg. 2.2 left. Another timeout...

Off the inbounds a deep three goes wanting. We're going to double OT in Ada.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 22, 2011, 10:01:45 PM
Double OT in Ada
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 22, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
Heidelberg 80 Ohio Northern 77 2OT
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 23, 2011, 12:13:45 PM
Mount with SIX straight losing seasons!  Football is King!  Basketball isnt even a jester!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:54:38 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 23, 2011, 05:20:42 PM
Otterbein Cardinals fourth straight non winning season, got a big time lesson at Capital on Tuesday.

Lots of talent, NO LEADERSHIP & NO FUNDAMENTALS.

The problem with so called ICONs, is they always seem to stay around too long.

Give the program a chance to return to greatness.

Its not 2002 anymore and Jeff Gibbs is not suiting up anymore.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 23, 2011, 08:12:43 PM
Syevie:

You need to get off Reynolds.  He will leave Westerville on his terms nobody elses.  He has earned that and I don't think he is ready to give up reigns yet.  I bet teh next Cardinal coach will not be nearly as successful in Westerville as Dick Reynolds has. 

You think there are not a few OAC, NCAC schools who would love to see Dick Reynolds running their programs.  What do you have against Reynolds anyway?

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2011, 11:01:20 AM
In what I think is a recent change in format, the OAC semis will be held tonight on the campus of the higher seeds.

#5 Heidelberg travels to #1 Marietta
#3 Capital travels to #2 John Carroll

Both games are 7:30 tips. Marietta has an OAC tournament page (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/sports/2011/1/15/MBB_2011OACTournament.aspx) set up, which is the place to go for links to live audio/video/stats for tonight's contests.

I think both of these games are near toss-ups, but I like the home teams tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 24, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
Taking in the JCU - Capital game before the storm. Back & forth game, big technical by Haynes gave Cap chance to cut it to 6. Crusaders shooting awful from FT line somewhere around 50%. Still taking JCU to win tourny over Pioneers. 6 pt lead with 2:54 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2011, 09:10:03 PM
Marietta 70, Heidelberg 55
John Carroll 81, Capital 74

Marietta will host JCU in the championship game on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on February 24, 2011, 09:20:34 PM
As expected Blue Streaks and Pioneers saturday. Final 81-74. Shontz, Hartnett, and Hester lead victory. My question is this - does loser of the championship have any shot at playing in NCAA?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2011, 09:22:42 PM
I see others have beat me to this, but I added a few additional comments, so posting anyway...

FINAL:
#5 Heidelberg 55
#1 Marietta 70

Congratulations to the Pioneers!

Marietta will host its first-ever OAC Tournament Championship on Saturday. Marietta earns its third overall championship appearance, and its first appearance since 1996. In both previous OAC finals appearances, Marietta was a 7-seed. The Pioneers are the only current OAC team that has never won the OAC Tournament. Marietta may have made themselves a "cold, hard, lead pipe lock" for Pool C with the win tonight. (KS, your opinion?)

FINAL:
#3 Capital 74
#2 John Carroll 81

John Carroll will visit Marietta for the OAC title and the Pool A bid on Saturday. (Don't worry, the JCU announcers already assured us all that "it's really hard to beat a team three times in one year" as Marietta beat JCU twice this year...even though this was JCU's seventh straight win  :o against Capital.)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2011, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on February 24, 2011, 09:20:34 PM
As expected Blue Streaks and Pioneers saturday. Final 81-74. Shontz, Hartnett, and Hester lead victory. My question is this - does loser of the championship have any shot at playing in NCAA?

John Carroll has to win to get in, I think. Marietta is probably in good shape to get a bid either way—might be considered a "lock" at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 24, 2011, 09:30:39 PM
Marietta is a LOCK to get to NCAA Tournament with winning the OAC regular season championship and now reaching the tourney finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 24, 2011, 09:32:10 PM
"Winning the OAC regular season championship" is neither a primary nor secondary criterion for tournament selection.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 24, 2011, 09:36:07 PM
When was the last time the OAC regular season champion did NOT get an invite to the NCAA Tournament?  Especially after going 23-2 in the regualr season?   I got a hunch I know the answer....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D-III Insider on February 24, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
Marietta is now 25-3 I believe in arguably the best D-III conference in the country top to bottom.  They will be in the NCAA regardless of what result is on Saturday.

The last time an outright OAC regular season champion did not get an invitation to the NCAA tourney was 1994 (JCU 14-4). 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2011, 09:22:42 PM
I see others have beat me to this, but I added a few additional comments, so posting anyway...

FINAL:
#5 Heidelberg 55
#1 Marietta 70

Congratulations to the Pioneers!

Marietta will host its first-ever OAC Tournament Championship on Saturday. Marietta earns its third overall championship appearance, and its first appearance since 1996. In both previous OAC finals appearances, Marietta was a 7-seed. The Pioneers are the only current OAC team that has never won the OAC Tournament. Marietta may have made themselves a "cold, hard, lead pipe lock" for Pool C with the win tonight. (KS, your opinion?)

FINAL:
#3 Capital 74
#2 John Carroll 81

John Carroll will visit Marietta for the OAC title and the Pool A bid on Saturday. (Don't worry, the JCU announcers already assured us all that "it's really hard to beat a team three times in one year" as Marietta beat JCU twice this year...even though this was JCU's seventh straight win  :o against Capital.)

That does it. I'm rooting for Marietta, just because the JCU announcers used that stupid cliche.

Quote from: D-III Insider on February 24, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
Marietta is now 25-3 I believe in arguably the best D-III conference in the country top to bottom.

You'd lose that argument. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 24, 2011, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: D-III Insider on February 24, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
Marietta is now 25-3 I believe in arguably the best D-III conference in the country top to bottom.  They will be in the NCAA regardless of what result is on Saturday.

The last time an outright OAC regular season champion did not get an invitation to the NCAA tourney was 1994 (JCU 14-4). 



Big argument, Masseyratings.com currently has the OAC 9th in D3, behind the MIAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 24, 2011, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: D-III Insider on February 24, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
Marietta is now 25-3 I believe in arguably the best D-III conference in the country top to bottom.  They will be in the NCAA regardless of what result is on Saturday.

The last time an outright OAC regular season champion did not get an invitation to the NCAA tourney was 1994 (JCU 14-4). 



Ummm.  The OAC wasn't anywhere near the best DII conference in the country this season.  The OAC was, IMO, fairly down this year, comparitively speaking to recent years.  Still, I think Marietta should get in win or lose on Saturday.  JCU...  Not so much.  As KB said, JCU needs to win to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 24, 2011, 10:03:29 PM
Marietta needed a last second jumper to beat John Carroll just this past Saturday.  Could be another good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2011, 10:11:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 24, 2011, 09:22:42 PM

FINAL:
#3 Capital 74
#2 John Carroll 81

John Carroll will visit Marietta for the OAC title and the Pool A bid on Saturday. (Don't worry, the JCU announcers already assured us all that "it's really hard to beat a team three times in one year" as Marietta beat JCU twice this year...even though this was JCU's seventh straight win  :o against Capital.)

That does it. I'm rooting for Marietta, just because the JCU announcers used that stupid cliche.

The best part was that, without missing a beat, they relayed these two things nearly in adjacent sentences. It was "well, it's really hard to beat a team 3 times in one year" then in nearly the next breath "if JCU wins tonight, it will be the Streaks' 7th straight win over Capital" without any apparent irony. If you're the better team, you're the better team...

Quote from: sac on February 24, 2011, 10:03:29 PM
Marietta needed a last second jumper to beat John Carroll just this past Saturday.  Could be another good game.
But I do agree with this—should be a great third game, just as the two previous games were good games. Shouldn't be hard for the teams to get motivated...Marietta with a chance for its first-ever OAC Tournament Title, and its first chance to cut down the nets at home, and JCU surely knows that it won't be able to count on a Pool C bid, and so it's do or die, win to get in. It just won't be any harder for Marietta (or easier for JCU) because it will be the third matchup between these two this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 26, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Both the JCU Men and Women are in the championships today.  The JCU pep band will be at both games.  Wish us good speed.  This will be the craziest double-header we've ever pulled.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2011, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: jcu_fan on February 26, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Both the JCU Men and Women are in the championships today.  The JCU pep band will be at both games.  Wish us good speed.  This will be the craziest double-header we've ever pulled.

For those who are curious, like I am, the women's game is at Mt. Union at 3pm, and the men's game is at Marietta at 7:30pm.  The two campuses are separated by about 130 miles of freeway.  I wish you both good (but legal) speed and godspeed.

I wish the NCAC would separate their championship games, but with the Friday/Saturday schedule, I suppose it's not feasible.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 26, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 26, 2011, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: jcu_fan on February 26, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Both the JCU Men and Women are in the championships today.  The JCU pep band will be at both games.  Wish us good speed.  This will be the craziest double-header we've ever pulled.

For those who are curious, like I am, the women's game is at Mt. Union at 3pm, and the men's game is at Marietta at 7:30pm.  The two campuses are separated by about 130 miles of freeway.  I wish you both good (but legal) speed and godspeed.

I wish the NCAC would separate their championship games, but with the Friday/Saturday schedule, I suppose it's not feasible.

I may not be rooting for JCU's men's hoops team today, but I'm always willing to root for a pep band with your level of dedication. Good luck on the trip!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
It's a great pep band, too, as anyone who has been to Salem in the past however-many years can attest.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 26, 2011, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 26, 2011, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: jcu_fan on February 26, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Both the JCU Men and Women are in the championships today.  The JCU pep band will be at both games.  Wish us good speed.  This will be the craziest double-header we've ever pulled.

For those who are curious, like I am, the women's game is at Mt. Union at 3pm, and the men's game is at Marietta at 7:30pm.  The two campuses are separated by about 130 miles of freeway.  I wish you both good (but legal) speed and godspeed.

I wish the NCAC would separate their championship games, but with the Friday/Saturday schedule, I suppose it's not feasible.

They should have plenty of time.  ;) 

Seriously though, the women's game should be over no later than 5 pm giving them a good 2 1/2 hours to head south on 77 to Marietta!  It might be cutting it close, but I think they should be able to pull it off.  Kudos to you and your band mates for attempting to pull this off.  You should post updates on how your day has been going!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 26, 2011, 05:08:55 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 26, 2011, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 26, 2011, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: jcu_fan on February 26, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Both the JCU Men and Women are in the championships today.  The JCU pep band will be at both games.  Wish us good speed.  This will be the craziest double-header we've ever pulled.

For those who are curious, like I am, the women's game is at Mt. Union at 3pm, and the men's game is at Marietta at 7:30pm.  The two campuses are separated by about 130 miles of freeway.  I wish you both good (but legal) speed and godspeed.

I wish the NCAC would separate their championship games, but with the Friday/Saturday schedule, I suppose it's not feasible.

They should have plenty of time.  ;) 

Seriously though, the women's game should be over no later than 5 pm giving them a good 2 1/2 hours to head south on 77 to Marietta!  It might be cutting it close, but I think they should be able to pull it off.  Kudos to you and your band mates for attempting to pull this off.  You should post updates on how your day has been going!

It is a great pep band...I hope I have a chance to hear them in Salem this year...

JCU is 0-1 on the day so far, as the women lost to Mount Union by a 92-84 score. The Lady Purple Radiers will represent the OAC in the DIII tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 26, 2011, 09:16:38 PM
Final:  Marietta 88  John Carroll 85

Congratulations to the Pioneers on winning both the regular season and OAC tournament titles!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2011, 12:53:58 PM
OAC All-Conference team and special awards announced (http://www.oac.org/htdocs/Releases/2011MBBAll-OAC.pdf) (pdf).

Coach of the Year: Jon VanderWal, Marietta
Player of the Year: Trevor Halter, Marietta
Freshman of the Year: Kyle Payne, Baldwin-Wallace

Congratulations to all the award winners!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 28, 2011, 01:31:17 PM
Marietta gets a host nod, with Centre as their opponent and Wittenberg and LaRoche on the opposite side of the bracket.  The winner of this pod gets (probably) Whitworth.  Tough draw all around.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: jcu_fan on February 28, 2011, 03:00:36 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 26, 2011, 04:14:28 PM
They should have plenty of time.  ;) 

Seriously though, the women's game should be over no later than 5 pm giving them a good 2 1/2 hours to head south on 77 to Marietta!  It might be cutting it close, but I think they should be able to pull it off.  Kudos to you and your band mates for attempting to pull this off.  You should post updates on how your day has been going!

We made it with time to spare.  Great games, both of them.  It's a shame JCU didn't come out on top of either of them.  Really impressed with both the lady Raiders, and the men Pioneers.  Very good teams.  Hope you represent the OAC well, and if the Pioneers do make it to Salem, the JCU Pep Band will be there too.  (We've got to stay neutral, since we're the house band, but I've got to admit, I quietly root for OAC teams when they make it.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2011, 07:29:20 PM
Well I saw Wittenberg up close on saturday night  and those two big guys inside will be tough for marietta to handle but I still think from I have seen from the pioneers this year they should beat the tigers.  That being said if you play them get ready for a rough game, they are very physical.

david
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 01, 2011, 12:52:26 AM
WOW!!! What a come back for Pioneers! Ruined my prediction of a Blue Streak championship, but sounds like it was a game of 2 halves. Congrats to Coach VanderWal & Mr. Halter for COY & POY awards. Looks to be an interesting 1st rd. match-ups in Marietta this weekend. Good luck Pioneers!!

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 01, 2011, 01:11:01 AM
Has to be a tough pill to swallow if your Coach Moran & the Blue streaks....season comes to a screetching end with probably your worst 20 minutes of bball all season. Got me thinking... what will next year look like in OAC with JCU & Marietta having basically evryone back? Here's what I found:

Marietta everyone back including POY, 2 1st teamers, and a HM.
JCU everyone back but Mo Haynes.
Capital loses 32.1 ppg biggest losses in conf.
ONU everyone back and maybe best player in league in schnelle
Otterbein loses 2 players 7ppg, Davis back POY candidate....gonna have to catch ONU v OTT nxt yr for that
Heidelberg loses 12.6ppg but has 2nd teamer and HM player back
Mt. loses 23.8ppg 2nd biggest losses after Capital
Wilmington everyone back including 2nd teamer and a HM
BW loses 8.5 but has Freshmen of the yr. and many young guns including Mentor's Jaron Crowe
Muskie loses 5.3ppg


With that information Im early predicting another Pioneer V Blue Streak battle for 1st. 8-)
ONU, Wilmington & Otterbein nxt 3. :P
Cap, Berg, BW nxt 3, with Mount & Muskie sitting out tourney and battling for cellar! :P

Anyone else crazy enough to weigh in on thoughts for nxt year?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 05, 2011, 12:35:26 PM
Centre 62, Marietta 67

The Pioneers are successful in their first NCAA tournament game in 36 years. And, ironically enough, the win gives them the right to host the team that ousted them 36 years ago, when the Pioneers lost to Wittenberg in the second round.

I'm a NCAC guy, but tonight I'll be rooting for the Pioneers, as I am thoroughly on the Pios' bandwagon. Marietta has never made the Sweet Sixteen. I expect a great matchup, this should really be a top-notch game, and at just the right level with a berth in the Sweet Sixteen on the line. Key questions will be to see how well Marietta's Knab will match up with Witt's Black on the inside, and whether Marietta's guards will expend the effort necessary to contain Witt's Sullivan. I'll take Marietta in a close one, with homecourt perhaps giving the decisive advantage.

Congratulations also to LaRoche and Centre on excellent seasons. The entire LaRoche community should keep their heads high after a tremendous and inspired campaign after the sudden death of their coach in mid-season. And I've been a Centre fan ever since they traveled to Wooster a few years ago ('07 I think?) and played a great set of two games and all of their fans were a complete class act.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 05, 2011, 10:25:21 PM
Wittenberg 62, Marietta 63

Congratulations to the Pioneers, who keep dancin' in dramatic fashion with a late, come-from-behind win against Wittenberg.

Marietta has reached its first-ever Sweet Sixteen and earns the right to play the Chapman-Whitworth winner, probably on a "neutral court" in Wooster, but in all honesty I expect it'll feel like a Pios home game if the section is set in Ohio.

And stuff like this (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/news/2011/3/5/SB_0305111154.aspx?path=mbball) is why I find myself rooting for this team...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 05, 2011, 11:30:31 PM
Can you imagine how much the house would be rocking in wooster next week if the scots and pioneers were too play each other. Better get  your tickets early because it will be a full house and the place too be in ohio basketball. Hope the students are still on campus next week(doubt it, maybe one of the great fans of wooster can clear that up). It would be great to have the pipers again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: imderekpoe on March 06, 2011, 08:28:33 AM
Quote from: davepi2 on March 05, 2011, 11:30:31 PM
Can you imagine how much the house would be rocking in wooster next week if the scots and pioneers were too play each other. Better get  your tickets early because it will be a full house and the place too be in ohio basketball. Hope the students are still on campus next week(doubt it, maybe one of the great fans of wooster can clear that up). It would be great to have the pipers again.

Spring break begins on Friday at Wooster.  I believe that last year, when the Scots hosted rounds 1-2 and break was a week earlier, the College allowed students to stay on campus for the weekend to attend the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2011, 10:22:46 PM
Marietta fans:
Here's a link to Wooster's Sectional Tournament information page. (http://www.woosterathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/ncaa/sectional/index)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Cali-Scot on March 12, 2011, 02:45:53 PM
Congrats to Marietta on a great season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 12, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
I agree congratulations on a great season. A shame you didn't make it too saturday night, what a night that would have been. Still a great season and looking forward to watching you next year. The game I saw at otterbein  was the best I saw all year(I saw 30 this year) and I am sure next year the team will once again put forth a great performance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2011, 07:11:04 PM
Lee Hood resigned today according to a release from MUC.  He was 250-246.  Nice guy, but the new blood is overdue.  Maybe the resurgence of the women's program got LK thinking that the men should be better?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on March 16, 2011, 09:06:55 PM
Now if the retirement bus will just make a stop in Westerville, Otterbein's program can get back on track. It's time to move forward. Too many worthy student-athletes deserve more.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2011, 09:38:13 PM
I don't think it was the retirement bus.  My guess is it was more like the resign or else bus.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 16, 2011, 10:52:54 PM
Marietta is extremely well-represented on the D3hoops.com All-Great Lakes Region Team (http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2010-11/greatlakes-men).  The Pioneers placed one player on each of the All-Region teams, including third-teamer Tyler Hammond, also tabbed as the Regional Rookie of the Year.  Jon VanderWal was also selected as the Regional Coach of the Year.  Congratulations to these two, as well as Pioneer teammates Trevor Halter (the only non-senior on the 1st team) and Kevin Knab (2nd team), and Otterbein's Chris Davis (3rd team), on their selection!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 17, 2011, 07:54:34 AM
two words for mount union

Randy Montgomery

Over 500 high school wins, former Huggins assistant, great x and o and the mentality to make umu a winner
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
Is Monty the way to go?  He made a conscious decision almost 30 years ago to take the high school routed while Huggins' other assistant, Dan Peters, chose to go the college route.  If he did not want to recruit (although some would say he did that well, and when necessary, during his years at Hoover and Triway) and have the grind of being a college basketball coach when he was 25 years old, what makes us think that he will want to do it now at 55 or so?  My other question would be:  Is the campus big enough for both LK and Monty?  If you know Monty, you know that is a valid question.

On the flip side, but for the same reasons as above, does Mount Union want to "go old" with this hire? They have "gone young" with their last three coaching hires – women's basketball, wrestling and track -- and the results have been outstanding. I don't think that you risk getting a coach past his prime who does not have the energy -- whether he realizes that or not -- to give to the job.  This could be a Muskingum debacle all over again and, arguably, Geno Ford was a better high school coach than Monty.

My two cents on what will surely be a frontrunner to get the job in the minds of the Stark County community:  Randy Montgomery
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 09:06:15 AM
I will ask you this . . . I know Marietta brings back everybody but would Coach VW think aboiut making the intraconference jump?  He is not from Marietta and he is young which leads me to belevie that he would consider making a move ot a better situation.  I know Alliance is not the big city but Canton is nearby and Cleveland is an hour away which has to be more attractive than Parkersbug and Charleston.  Plus, he would have a larger recruiting base nearer to his school than he has at Marietta.  Just a thought as he is this year's hot young coach at the D3 level and unless he is willing to be an assistant at the higher levels, his pedigree (D3 player, asst., head coach) right now shows that he is next move will have to be within D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 17, 2011, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 09:06:15 AM
I will ask you this . . . I know Marietta brings back everybody but would Coach VW think aboiut making the intraconference jump?  He is not from Marietta and he is young which leads me to belevie that he would consider making a move ot a better situation.  I know Alliance is not the big city but Canton is nearby and Cleveland is an hour away which has to be more attractive than Parkersbug and Charleston.  Plus, he would have a larger recruiting base nearer to his school than he has at Marietta.  Just a thought as he is this year's hot young coach at the D3 level and unless he is willing to be an assistant at the higher levels, his pedigree (D3 player, asst., head coach) right now shows that he is next move will have to be within D3.


I would highly doubt this would even be a thought by Coach VW.  I don't know him at all, but the fact is, the players he recruited in his first class to turn Marietta around to the program it is today are all going to be seniors next year.  No way does Coach VW leave them high and dry to go to another school in need of rebuilding, especially a school in the same conference. 

I would guess, the only thing to lure Coach VW away from Marietta would be if an opening became available at his alma mater (Albion) or another job opened up in Michigan or possibly a job at a DI or II program.  I just can't see Coach VW walking out on his seniors and the promise of how special of a season Marietta could be in store for next year considering they have EVERYONE returning from this year's sweet 16 squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 17, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
Is Monty the way to go?  He made a conscious decision almost 30 years ago to take the high school routed while Huggins' other assistant, Dan Peters, chose to go the college route.  If he did not want to recruit (although some would say he did that well, and when necessary, during his years at Hoover and Triway) and have the grind of being a college basketball coach when he was 25 years old, what makes us think that he will want to do it now at 55 or so?  My other question would be:  Is the campus big enough for both LK and Monty?  If you know Monty, you know that is a valid question.

On the flip side, but for the same reasons as above, does Mount Union want to "go old" with this hire? They have "gone young" with their last three coaching hires – women's basketball, wrestling and track -- and the results have been outstanding. I don't think that you risk getting a coach past his prime who does not have the energy -- whether he realizes that or not -- to give to the job.  This could be a Muskingum debacle all over again and, arguably, Geno Ford was a better high school coach than Monty.

My two cents on what will surely be a frontrunner to get the job in the minds of the Stark County community:  Randy Montgomery


You say that as though hiring an older coach is all downside and hiring a younger coach is all upside. 'taint so. More often than not, older coaches have the experience, the knowledge, the wisdom, the perspective, and the connections that younger coaches lack. As for youthful energy translating into more success on the recruiting trail, there's four things to keep in mind: 1) While younger guys may have more get-up-and-go and more enthusiasm, youth is sometimes seen as off-putting and middle-age seasoning is often an asset in the eyes of the people who need to be sold on a school (because they're the ones who pay the bills at the D3 level) -- the parents; 2) depending upon whether or not Mount Union has an assistant coaching position on the athletics staff that is either full-time or close to full-time in terms of being devoted to men's basketball, it's likely that the head coach will be delegating a lot of the recruiting footwork to a younger assistant, anyway; 3) energy level is relative and is not necessarily pegged to age; and 4) there tends to be a lot more turnover among younger coaches than among older coaches, particularly in an iffy economy in which job security is at a premium.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
I certainly did not mean to come off as saying that a young coach is always preferable.  My original point was to say that this particular older coach -- who will be mentioned time again because he is a successful, local coach who is also a Mount Union alumnus -- may not be the right choice at this time.  I do see that I started to speak in generalities toward the end but I meant to apply this only to that one particular coach. 

I am just suspect on giving the keys to a high school coach who has not had college experience for 30 years.  He might be great, he might not be great.  Just throwing my thoughts out there.

. . .and the fact is that Mount Union has gone young and somewhat inexperienced with all of their recent coaching hires and I would not be surprised if they did that again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 03:52:52 PM
ScotsFan - I tend to agree with you but, in coaching, if you evaluate your position in life and your job and you come to the conclusion that you do not want to end your career where you are at, sometimes you have to strike while the iron is hot and his iron is hot.  If Mount comes in with more money and more resources, he might consider it but, again, I tend to agree that he will not jump intraleague.

I think the more likely question he is going to have to ask himself in the immediate future:  Do I want to make the jump to scholarship level basketball and, if I do, am I willing to be an assistant at the D1 level or take over a struggling D2 program.  I just do not think he has the resume at this point to get a good job at the higher levels.

All that aside, it will be real tough to leave a Sweet 16 team that has everyone coming back and he may think that "Hey - I'm young and I will have more opportunities in the future."
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 17, 2011, 07:07:50 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 09:06:15 AM
I will ask you this . . . I know Marietta brings back everybody but would Coach VW think aboiut making the intraconference jump?  He is not from Marietta and he is young which leads me to belevie that he would consider making a move ot a better situation.  I know Alliance is not the big city but Canton is nearby and Cleveland is an hour away which has to be more attractive than Parkersbug and Charleston.  Plus, he would have a larger recruiting base nearer to his school than he has at Marietta.  Just a thought as he is this year's hot young coach at the D3 level and unless he is willing to be an assistant at the higher levels, his pedigree (D3 player, asst., head coach) right now shows that he is next move will have to be within D3.


Jon VanderWal is from Cadillac, Mi.  I doubt the alleged isolation of SE Ohio bothers him much.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 17, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
Well played, sac.  Well played. ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 18, 2011, 02:13:07 AM
FINALLY!! Coach Kehres has finally pulled the plug! Long overdue in my estimation, of course thats a personal issue I have with the man as a coach. My experience at Mount was not a good one with Coach Hood - like many others might I add. I've heard Coach Montgomery from Hoover, and Terry Weigand from akron as well. Any other names? I doubt Vanderwal would leave Marietta with so much coming back. Timing is everything!! Kehres has hired a lot of young people recently..."go-getters". Would this be a position filled by a D1 assistant? Another D3 assistant? What D3 head coaches might apply? Any rumors, thoughts/opinions?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on March 20, 2011, 09:44:42 PM
Latest rumor regarding UMU coaching vacancy. Dan Peters, Akron assistant coach. Use to be head coach at YSU, and assistant at OSU & Cincinnati. I would think a Thad Matta phone call might carry some weight. I'm guessing he's not a young buck, no pun intended, but none the less. Interesting name.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2011, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on March 20, 2011, 09:44:42 PM
Latest rumor regarding UMU coaching vacancy. Dan Peters, Akron assistant coach. Use to be head coach at YSU, and assistant at OSU & Cincinnati. I would think a Thad Matta phone call might carry some weight. I'm guessing he's not a young buck, no pun intended, but none the less. Interesting name.

In football, YSU to UMU would conceivably make sense, despite Tressel.  But in bball, would a successful head coach go from d2 to d3?  And if he's not successful, do you want him?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 21, 2011, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 20, 2011, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: albertjackson on March 20, 2011, 09:44:42 PM
Latest rumor regarding UMU coaching vacancy. Dan Peters, Akron assistant coach. Use to be head coach at YSU, and assistant at OSU & Cincinnati. I would think a Thad Matta phone call might carry some weight. I'm guessing he's not a young buck, no pun intended, but none the less. Interesting name.

In football, YSU to UMU would conceivably make sense, despite Tressel.  But in bball, would a successful head coach go from d2 to d3?  And if he's not successful, do you want him?

YSU is D1, not D2. It's a member of the Horizon League.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on March 25, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
Mount could be good if they bring in the right guy.  ste24vie - still waiting on the shoe to fall at Otterbein?  Not happening this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on April 08, 2011, 01:08:47 AM
There seems to be a lot of rumors around the campus in Westerville....COULD IT BE ??????
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on April 08, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
I know we are a football board, however, I have not heard anything about basketball job at UMU....anyone got a clue?? I thought they intended to get the hiring done quickly...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Raider 68 on April 08, 2011, 07:39:41 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on April 08, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
I know we are a football board, however, I have not heard anything about basketball job at UMU....anyone got a clue?? I thought they intended to get the hiring done quickly...

raiderpa,

Not heard anything either, but it seems that football coach hirings happen at a quicker pace! ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: theaprof on April 08, 2011, 09:01:27 AM
Quote from: Raider 68 on April 08, 2011, 07:39:41 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on April 08, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
I know we are a football board, however, I have not heard anything about basketball job at UMU....anyone got a clue?? I thought they intended to get the hiring done quickly...

raiderpa,

Not heard anything either, but it seems that football coach hirings happen at a quicker pace! ???

Three candidates have been/are on campus this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on April 08, 2011, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: ste24vie on April 08, 2011, 01:08:47 AM
There seems to be a lot of rumors around the campus in Westerville....COULD IT BE ??????

Getting your hopes up for nothing Ste24vie!  lol
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on April 08, 2011, 11:05:02 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on April 08, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
I know we are a football board, however, I have not heard anything about basketball job at UMU....anyone got a clue?? I thought they intended to get the hiring done quickly...

Should be done in the next couple weeks if not sooner.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on April 08, 2011, 08:00:42 PM
just heard a rumor that next Mount basketball coach may be Fuline of Jackson High School
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pradierguy on April 08, 2011, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on April 08, 2011, 08:00:42 PM
just heard a rumor that next Mount basketball coach may be Fuline of Jackson High School

Heard the same myself.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on April 11, 2011, 09:31:05 AM
Fuline to Mount.

http://www.indeonline.com/sports/highschool/x1485957887/Jacksons-Fuline-to-take-basketball-coaching-job-at-Mount-Union
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on April 15, 2011, 12:24:01 AM
Any recruiting updates for the OAC teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on April 26, 2011, 04:01:56 AM
Quote from: WAlum on April 11, 2011, 09:31:05 AM
Fuline to Mount.

http://www.indeonline.com/sports/highschool/x1485957887/Jacksons-Fuline-to-take-basketball-coaching-job-at-Mount-Union

Never cared for Fuline when he was at Rootstown, of course when he was kicking Mogadore's butt everytime we met it got old. Then I liked him even less when he up and went to Jackson, and Rootstown stole our coach to replace him.

Now that his is a good guy, I guess I can forget about all that. Even more so if he brings some Jackson kids to Mount and jump starts whats left of Men's BB at Mount
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on April 26, 2011, 01:45:01 PM
Fuline??!! REALLY??!! WOW!! while this has to be an upgrade from what we had....this smells of Kehresism!! This was our best applicant???? I guess I'll have to get over my shock and get on the Fuline wagon. This will be interesting. Go Purple Raiders!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on April 26, 2011, 02:07:56 PM
The "talk" is there were some outstanding candidates who applied.  I have heard lots of "talk" about what you are referring to.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on April 28, 2011, 07:53:41 PM
Please send all the leftovers and alsorans to Westerville. Just because their coach owns the team and the gym and the college, he still has trouble remembering who he should play from one to the next and where his golf cart is supposed to be parked. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME and the players who deserve someone who can give their all, not someone that keeps hanging onto 2002.

IN HIS OWN WORDS.   WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 29, 2011, 11:28:40 AM
Do you only know the words to this one song, ste24vie? It's getting a little tiring hearing you sing it over and over again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 12, 2011, 10:04:46 AM
For anyone who thought that Lee Hood actually retired...he applied for the Massillon HS job this week.

And for the record, I like the Fuline hire.  He's a good coach and he's young.  And most importantly, he's driven.  I'll take that any day given our current state of affairs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on August 25, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
well I guess I will put this out there since it doesn't seem too be news as of yet. Marietta will have a very interesting ooc game in December. They travel to Athens to play Ohio. This is a real game. Since I am a fan of the Bobcats I have seen it on their site. Guess this is the economics of basketball with schools needing to schedule more home games or games closer to home to cut down costs.  I guess the MAC also has a new rule dealing with playing so many home ooc games every year in order to share certain MAC money. Whatever the case good for Marietta. Ohio shouldn't take them lightly as many Ohio fans are.Ohio has a lot of rough spots to iron out and Marietta just could surprise a lot of people. They certainly will play better then expected.

david
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 02, 2011, 03:19:24 PM
Etta picked 1st, JCU 2nd in the preseason poll.  No surprise there.  Ott was slotted 3rd.  Is that surprising Ott guys?

Mount was 9th.  That feels about right.  They don't return a ton from a not-so-good team last year.  Maybe that's a good thing.  Hopefully Fuline got some solid freshmen and can start building something.  Also, when the heck does the roster come out?  The first game is in less than 2 weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on November 16, 2011, 04:39:40 AM
Marietta-Denison game was certainly interesting. Marietta looked rattled and they were on the ropes late. Someone may have been taking the game lightly and looking ahead to a game with a d1 school next month. Marietta is going to have to play better then they did last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on November 17, 2011, 10:17:03 PM
Kenyon over Muskingum?  really?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 17, 2011, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: WAlum on November 17, 2011, 10:17:03 PM
Kenyon over Muskingum?  really?
Surprised me too. See my recap on the NCAC page. Kenyon should probably have won more easily; they fell apart and Musky got red hot at the same moment, as Musky made up a 13-point deficit in the final 3+ minutes to force OT. Muskingum did not look good at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on November 18, 2011, 08:02:18 PM
Coach Fuline just got his first win with the Purple Raiders - 71-64 over Grove City in overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 28, 2011, 03:34:08 PM
Mount is 3-2 early under Fuline.  Their backcourt is not shooting the ball well at all (31% combined for Gillespie and Jacubec).  I'm not overly concerned.  They're young and I don't think even the staunchest Raider fan is expecting much this year.  The only thing that irks me is a freshman guard (Jacubec) has the most FG attempts on the team.  I know it's new for everyone under Fuline, but Jimmy Wood is a senior All-OAC player that shoots 50% from the floor.  He only has 1 less attempt, but he should have plenty more than anyone else as the only proven college scorer on the team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on November 29, 2011, 12:14:37 AM
The Week 1 rankings are out.  Marietta is the lone representative in the OAC but the Pioneers have moved up to #4 in the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on November 30, 2011, 06:40:57 PM
Wow !!!! What a blow to the Etta machine ..... Can they weather the storm til Halter gets back? Also, back surgery is never an exact time of recovery.  Couple big road games the first week of OAC play and a gimme at home. BW is returning several key players and a definite test for Etta right off and after a gimme at home with the Muskies its on to Westerville where the Cards return the inside game of Chris Davis but were stifled by the 2-3 zone Ithaca threw at em.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 03, 2011, 11:06:27 PM
JC 75 Cap 64
ONU 63 Muskingum 48    
BW 93 Marietta    74    
Wilmington 92 Heidelberg    66
Otterbein 82  Mount Union    79    

WOW!!! B-W crushes Marietta today in Berea
Otterbein was picked 3rd but early indications dont look good in Westerville.  So far it looks like BW, Marietta, and JC as the Big 3 in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 04, 2011, 09:46:48 AM
I think Marietta without Halter is middle of the pack at best, BW giving notice that they could be for real this year.  Mount Union shoulda clogged the middle and let OC bombs away. Look at the free throw differential, hard to overcome that if you're the Mount. Big surprise from the Quakers, blasting da Berg. The Muskies assume their position at the bottom early. As always, a great JCU/CAP matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 04, 2011, 03:26:56 PM
Not so sure that WAlum might be jumping on the bandwagon so early. We are only 1 game in and he has BW as part of the "big" 3. The coaches picked them 7th in pre-season and Marietta was without Halter and on the road. I think for now it is still JCU and Etta and let the rest prove themselves.  I also disagree with ste24vie that Etta is middle of the pack without Etta. They still have arguably the best post player in Knab and have some great shooters in Puch, Owens, Kimney, and McKean. And their pt. gd. is one of the better ones around. They have a lot of players and will only get better playing without Halter for awhile.  Also not such a big surprise from Wilmington. Look at their pre-conference schedule and as always when you go on the road in the OAC, anything can and usually does happen.  If you are not ready to play, you lose. All in all, another exciting conference schedule is underway.  Probably a month before things will start to separate themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 05, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
I beg to differ on the post player ....Block to block, Davis is by far the better player. You must double and triple team him to hold him down. Ithaca played their defense to the paint only and let the Cards have free 3s all night and held Davis to 6 points. Without Halter, look for Marietta to be about .500. If he is out past Christmas, look for them to have too many losses to win the conference and a long road to even get to the "Dance". That was not just a close loss on the road, that was a pounding.

One man's opinion and only time will tell.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 05, 2011, 07:29:15 PM
I respect one man's opinion and that is why I said "arguably".  I think there are 3 premier post players in the OAC this year (less than other years).  Knab from Marietta, Davis from Ott., and Schnelle from ONU. There are other good ones but these are the premier ones.  Block to block, with your back to the basket, Davis might be the best but that is only a portion of post play. Can you step out and make a 15 ft. jumper? Can you face up and put the ball on the floor? Can you pass out of double teams and make your teammates better? Can you rebound in traffic? If we consider all aspects, then I think we can create an argument over who is the best "5" man. All 3 are seniors and all are expected to carry a major portion of the load on their backs. (Especially at Etta until Halter is back.) Let's see what happens when more games are played and they also have chances to go head to head. There should be some great battles.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 05, 2011, 08:33:33 PM
Davis' main problem is Otterbein is desperately low on shooters, allowing other teams to double and triple team him. Just the same, why would you ever want Davis away from the rim shooting 15 footers. Also, he leads the conference in scoring AND rebounding. But, The Otts dont play much defense so they gotta score big time. Won't have to wait long to see, OC @ ONU on Wed and Etta @ Westerville on Saturday...If they choose to man up on Davis, mark up 2 wins for the Cards and OAC Player of the Week for Davis.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 05, 2011, 08:35:40 PM
Also, til he puts up some numbers, you cannot mention Schnelle with Knab and Davis.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on December 06, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Good point. Probably wouldn't want Davis too far from the basket. Seems to me there were two other Davis brothers that didn't wander too far from the hoop and they both had rather good careers in the OAC. My attempt was to create some discussion about who might be the better post player all-around but it seems that not too many people wish to chime in on this site. (by the way, would you rather have Tori Davis or Jeff Gibbs as your post player--to me, tough choice but can't go wrong with either one) Gotta love the match-ups this week. In my opinion, the Otters take two on the chin.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 07, 2011, 11:31:39 PM
John Carroll 79    Mount Union 62
Marietta 87   Muskingum 77    
Otterbein 61  Ohio Northern 55       
Baldwin-Wallace 90  Heidelberg 69    
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 08, 2011, 12:27:05 AM
Wow !!!!! Otterbein and ONU looked bad tonight. Those teams are in for some beatdowns if they continue to play like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Bengalsrule on December 08, 2011, 01:00:53 AM
Whats the scoop on Capital? I see that they are 3-4. I expected them to be better. Did they lose someone or just going thru some tough sledding??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 10, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
watched cap today. Didn't look good at all the first half and then turned it on the second too win pulling away. Going to Marietta-Otterbein game here in a few minutes. Will be interesting to see how the pioneers look since they play my bobcats wednesday night. Looking forward to another great game with the cards like the one played at otterbein last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 10, 2011, 09:13:09 PM
Etta spanks Otterbein in Westerville. Trevor Halter returns to action.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 10, 2011, 09:45:03 PM
Good week for Wilmington.    I bet zero people had Wilmington leading the league by a full game after this weekend in the pool.  :o


Marietta won 77-69, the finals belies the 'spanks'   http://otterbeincardinals.com/custompages/Mbasketball/games/2012/game7.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 11, 2011, 08:27:31 AM
'Etta was up 20 with 1:29 to go.  Otterbein scored 12 points to make it look much closer than it was.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 14, 2011, 03:59:39 PM
good luck tonight marietta. I am a ohio man first but I love d3 and the oac so give them h###.


david
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 14, 2011, 04:08:19 PM
For those who don't know:   Marietta at Ohio 7 p.m.,    according to the Ohio site they've played 90 times but not since 1985.  So there is history there.

I'm suspicious of their links to livestats and video, one of the livestats links took me to Portland, the other took me to a page with no live stats just a radio link.

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/ohio.portal#


plus there is this........forever.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F614798%2Fbrutus-buckeye-attack_large.jpg&hash=7310934d6b6699cc83fdb46a35d6ca1949d22aa9)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 14, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
Thanks for the note about links. I have had no problem following the progress of bobcat games at their website. The game should be on the net at their site also. I can't say I'm 100% sure of that but I believe that too be correct. Oh I believe the link that sent you too portland is because that was a road game for the bobcats. Usually live stats are carried on the home team's sites. At least that has been my experience in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 14, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
my mistake. The game will not be streamed live over the net. Audio and live stats are available though. I knew I should have made the trip down from columbus tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 14, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
bonus +k if you knew Nick Kellogg is Clark Kellogg's son and that older brother Alex is taking the year off.

another bonus +k if you saw Clark Kellogg play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 14, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: sac on December 14, 2011, 04:08:19 PM
plus there is this........forever.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F614798%2Fbrutus-buckeye-attack_large.jpg&hash=7310934d6b6699cc83fdb46a35d6ca1949d22aa9)

Bobcat fan for life since that day.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 16, 2011, 10:52:25 AM
What are the biggest surprises (team or individual) and biggest disappointments (team or individual) so far this season?
Baldwin-Wallace and ONU getting off to great starts has surprised me.
I expected more from Otterbein and the Berg.
Lots of season left - we'll see what happens.

Updates:
ONU upsets Marietta by 2 today @ Marietta. Huge win for the Polar Bears.
Otterbein falls to JCU by double digits
B-W over Muskingum by 5
Wilmington over Mount 75-71
Cap falls in OT to Buffalo State
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 17, 2011, 08:21:58 PM
Ohio Northern 59 Marietta 57
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 21, 2011, 05:39:47 PM
Don Lane Classic @ Transylvania

BW leads Hendrix at the half 29-24.  live stats

http://www.sidearmstats.com/transy/mbball/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 22, 2011, 12:03:28 AM
BW rolls over Hendrix 79-63
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 22, 2011, 08:12:24 AM
The growing pains continue....MUC drops I believe their 6th straight losing at home to Musky by 3.  Jimmy Wood shot poorly and they just can't overcome that because he's basically their only consistent scorer.  The starting backcourt of Gillespie and Jacubec continues to shoot poorly (both around 30% from the floor for the season).  This isn't good considering they take the 3rd and 2nd most shots per game, respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 22, 2011, 11:33:01 AM
Good win for the muskies over Mt Union.  can either of these teams beat anyone else in the OAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on December 22, 2011, 02:13:30 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 14, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: sac on December 14, 2011, 04:08:19 PM
plus there is this........forever.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F614798%2Fbrutus-buckeye-attack_large.jpg&hash=7310934d6b6699cc83fdb46a35d6ca1949d22aa9)

Bobcat fan for life since that day.

Loved this!  What's even better is the dude in the Bobcat suit wasn't even a student at OU.  He tried out for the mascot position and got it for the sole purpose of attacking Brutus!  That there makes it even more priceless!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on December 22, 2011, 05:37:32 PM
There is no dominant team in the OAC this year. Marietta without Halter is just ordinary. JCU is up and down. Wilmington without TWhite is very ordinary. Otterbein's program is unsettled, lots of returning players from last year have disappeared prolly because of the coach. ONU might be the biggest surprise so far. Mt Union and Muskingum and Heidelberg are all struggling. I thought BW would be at or near the top.  Just goes to show, once again, the OAC is up for grabs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 23, 2011, 09:21:44 AM
Otterbein beat Witt last night.   They were picked 3rd in the pre-season by the coaches but have not met expectations thus far.    Is this the win  that turns around the Cardinals season?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 31, 2011, 05:15:26 PM
Recent Scores:
Dec. 28
Williams 79 Ohio Northern 73
Otterbein 71  Wis.-Platteville 69  OT
   
Dec. 29    
Ohio Northern 73 UC Clermont 63    
Hiram 88 Heidelberg 77     
Grove City 75 Muskingum 59    
John Carroll 86 Regis (Mass.) 60
Hope 84 Marietta 73       
Ohio Wesleyan 75 Otterbein 65    
      
Dec. 30    
John Carroll 86    Case Western Reserve 74    
Marietta 95 Grace Bible (Mich.) 79    
Muskingum 94 Ohio St. Lima 66     
Baldwin-Wallace 89 Alma 81        
Wooster 73 Heidelberg 61
   

Standings going into 2012:
4-1    5-5  Wilmington (Ohio)    
3-1    8-2  John Carroll    
3-1    8-3  Baldwin-Wallace    
3-1    7-4  Ohio Northern    
3-2    8-4  Marietta    
2-2    5-5  Capital    
2-2    5-6  Otterbein    
1-3    3-8  Heidelberg    
1-4    4-8  Muskingum    
0-5    3-7  Mount Union    
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 04, 2012, 01:52:36 PM
Marietta is the only OAC team getting any kind of Top 25 votes.  The Pioneers have fallen into the Other Receiving Votes category.  When will Halter be back?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 05, 2012, 09:50:48 AM
Wednesday Finals:
John Carroll 89, Baldwin-Wallace 85    
Wilmington 64, Muskingum 61    
Heidelberg 75, ONU 74
Capital 76, Otterbein 67
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 05, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
The Quakes are winning without TWhite, is he injured or what???

The Pioneers are struggling without Halter...

Whats up with the once mighty program at Westerville? Players coming and going like a swinging door. Several underclassmen from last year have left the program. They even leave and come back. Change at the helm is definitely in order there.

Can the Muskies and the Mount be bad every year?

I thought da 'Berg would be better.

JCU seems to always have lots of  shooters and plays a full court game.

Cap is always competitive.

ONU is a bit of a surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 06, 2012, 06:34:19 PM
Does the winner of the JCU-Wilmington game on Saturday have a chance to break into the top 25 ??

Contenders or pretenders ? BW and Cap

ONU, Marietta and Otterbein are in MUST WIN games Saturday.

Upset pick of the day........no Halter, no win for Etta....

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 06, 2012, 06:39:48 PM
PRE SEASON ALL AMERICA TYLER WHITE........Is he injured?? Why no chatter about the absence of a Preseason All American???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on January 07, 2012, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 22, 2011, 08:12:24 AM
The growing pains continue....MUC drops I believe their 6th straight losing at home to Musky by 3.  Jimmy Wood shot poorly and they just can't overcome that because he's basically their only consistent scorer.  The starting backcourt of Gillespie and Jacubec continues to shoot poorly (both around 30% from the floor for the season).  This isn't good considering they take the 3rd and 2nd most shots per game, respectively.

I wonder if Fuline knew just how great a challenge he was taking on?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 07, 2012, 12:43:51 PM
well hope otterbein shoots foul shots a little better tonight. That game against capital wednesday night was about as bad as you can get from the line. You might see that a lot in d1 but not very often in d3. Hope the cards get it going tonight. Oh that game against wisconsin-platteville was as good as you would want last see. That half court shot at the end of regulation was a beauty.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 07, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
Muskingum beats a sinking Otterbein team in OT....More bad clock management by the Cards letting the clock expire in OT and taking TOs home with them. 

Lets see...more player swinging doors...no Max VanMeter tonight. Significant underclassmen missing from last years team. See if I get this right, last year Matt McCollister started many games and didnt even come out for the team this year because of the coach. Last Years first Big Man off the bench picked school in Europe instead of Bball, prolly because of the coach. CJ Julian, a part time starter last year, starts out with the team this year and now is no longer on the team. Max VanMeter has been on and off the team, now missing again tonight. Senior Steve Isac was a starter as a freshman and doesnt even get in the game tonight. Looks like total chaos in Westerville, certainly ruining any hope of Chris Davis becoming an All American.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 09, 2012, 06:14:02 PM
Interesting fact here....Class of 2012 up to date conference records...

JCU....................48-12
Capital................41-19
Wilmington...........36-25
ONU....................35-25
Marietta...............32-28
Heidelberg.............25-35
Mount Union..........24-36
BW......................21-39
Otterbein..............20-40
Muskingum............19-42
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 15, 2012, 02:15:55 PM
JCU 90, Marietta 80    
Mt. Union 67, Heidelber 49
Capital 76, Muskingum 62
Wilmington 73, Otterbein 64
Baldwin-Wallace 70, Ohio Northern 65

Standings:
   
6-2    11-3  John Carroll
6-2    9-6    Capital    
6-3    7-7    Wilmington (Ohio)    
4-4    9-6    Baldwin-Wallace    
4-4    9-6    Marietta    
4-4    8-7    Ohio Northern    
3-5    7-8    Mount Union    
3-5    5-10   Heidelberg    
3-6    6-10   Muskingum    
2-6    5-10   Otterbein    

Fun to look back at the coaches pre-season poll:
1. Marietta (9) - 81
2. John Carroll (1) - 69
3. Otterbein - 59
4. Capital - 50
5. Heidelberg - 49
6. Ohio Northern - 48
7. Baldwin-Wallace - 37
8. Wilmington - 29
9. Mount Union - 17
10. Muskingum – 11
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2012, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: rscl70 on January 07, 2012, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 22, 2011, 08:12:24 AM
The growing pains continue....MUC drops I believe their 6th straight losing at home to Musky by 3.  Jimmy Wood shot poorly and they just can't overcome that because he's basically their only consistent scorer.  The starting backcourt of Gillespie and Jacubec continues to shoot poorly (both around 30% from the floor for the season).  This isn't good considering they take the 3rd and 2nd most shots per game, respectively.

I wonder if Fuline knew just how great a challenge he was taking on?

I wonder that as well.  The good news is that they've been playing much better the last few weeks.  Won a couple road conference games including at BW, which is a good sign.  Fuline is certainly going to be given every chance to build the program for the long haul.  That's a good thing because 2 decades of mediocrity isn't fixed overnight.  He has to change the culture of the program.  And he should have the job security to do that the correct way.  With Jimmy Wood graduating this spring I think they're going to be VERY young next season as Fuline ramps up his recruiting.  My guess is we're 2 yrs away from them being in the top half of the conference, but next season we should start to see the foundation of a good team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 16, 2012, 10:49:14 AM
I am shocked to see how poorly Marietta is doing without Halter.  I knew he was a significant loss, but I never thought he would have this much of an impact on that team.  Does anyone have a timeline as to when he might return? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: KnightSlappy on January 16, 2012, 11:13:15 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 16, 2012, 10:49:14 AM
I am shocked to see how poorly Marietta is doing without Halter.  I knew he was a significant loss, but I never thought he would have this much of an impact on that team.  Does anyone have a timeline as to when he might return?

He's appeared in 4 of their last 5 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 16, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 16, 2012, 11:13:15 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 16, 2012, 10:49:14 AM
I am shocked to see how poorly Marietta is doing without Halter.  I knew he was a significant loss, but I never thought he would have this much of an impact on that team.  Does anyone have a timeline as to when he might return?

He's appeared in 4 of their last 5 games.

Didn't realize he was already back.  I see Etta's loss to Hope was his first return to action.  I'm guessing he's still not close to 100% and he did miss Saturday's game against John Carrol.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 16, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 16, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 16, 2012, 11:13:15 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on January 16, 2012, 10:49:14 AM
I am shocked to see how poorly Marietta is doing without Halter.  I knew he was a significant loss, but I never thought he would have this much of an impact on that team.  Does anyone have a timeline as to when he might return?

He's appeared in 4 of their last 5 games.

Didn't realize he was already back.  I see Etta's loss to Hope was his first return to action.  I'm guessing he's still not close to 100% and he did miss Saturday's game against John Carrol.

Actually it was his 3rd or 4th game vs Hope, and the report I did get from Hope was that he probably came back a little too soon.

Halter's first game back was against Otterbein way back on  Dec 10.   Since then he's played in 6 and sat out 3 others.  Whether he plays and how much seems to be a game-by-game thing.


Marietta has 3 losses with him out of the lineup, 3 with him in the lineup.  The Pioneers won about a half-dozen OAC games by less than 5 points last year so to see them struggling without being at full strength probably shouldn't be a surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2012, 08:25:30 AM
Tough loss for MUC.  Drop one 80-78 in OT at Etta.  Pios held a 45-19 advantage in FT attempts.  Need to move those feet on D boys!  Tough to win on the road when you're -20 at the line.  Too bad too because a win there would have moved them to .500 on the season, 4-5 in the OAC and a 4 game conference winning streak.  Oh well, time to start a new streak.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 19, 2012, 09:14:18 AM
John Carroll 94, Heidelberg 68    
Capital 73, Ohio Northern 69    
Marietta 80, Mount Union 78  OT    
Baldwin Wallace 97, Otterbein 64
Wilmington 96, Thomas More 83    

Standings:
   
7-2    12-3  John Carroll
7-2    10-6    Capital   
6-3    8-7    Wilmington (Ohio)   
5-4    9-6    Baldwin-Wallace   
5-4    10-6    Marietta   
4-5    8-8    Ohio Northern   
3-6    7-9    Mount Union   
3-6    5-11   Heidelberg   
3-6    6-10   Muskingum   
2-7    5-11   Otterbein          

Stevie24 - I think the rumblings are getting louder in Cardinal country.   OC was picked 3rd in the league and are currently last - six straight losses. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Basketball23 on January 19, 2012, 10:40:15 AM
Don't encourage him.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 19, 2012, 11:07:20 AM
LOL @ Basketball23.  I am not encouraging him but I am hearing it from other people now.  People who have always been very supportive of the program are saying its time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 19, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
That's what I been saying. The program is a real mess right now. TIME FOR A CHANGE for the sake of the players. I thought before the players abandoned ship that Otterbein had a chance to compete for the top spot, but losing all those shooters allows the other teams to double and triple team Davis the entire game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2012, 11:51:49 PM
I think that the Otterbein administration has decided that it won't ask Dick Reynolds to retire unless ste24vie complains online about him another 257 times. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 20, 2012, 08:58:50 AM
Gregory Sager - you are giving STevie hope!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 21, 2012, 09:22:08 PM
Well, Otterbein and Muskingum assume their familiar positions in the basement of the OAC as the Cards lose their 8th straight conference game. The Mount swarmed Davis in the paint and forced the Cardinals to the perimeter and their glaring weakness with their lack of shooters. Their best shooters are prolly over in the rec center playing intramurals. HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT, picked third, coulda been even higher and sitting all alone in the basement. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 22, 2012, 11:34:13 AM
Its been well documented about the huge disappointment and underachievement again this year at Otterbein.   What doesn't get talked about much is Muskingum.  Will they continue the same path they have been on or will they look to make changes and re-invigorate their program?  The Muskies were touted as having high expectations with the return of all five starters, most of whom were experienced seniors.  The Muskies have finished in last place the last two seasons and look to be a bottom two team again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 22, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: ste24vie on January 21, 2012, 09:22:08 PM
Well, Otterbein and Muskingum assume their familiar positions in the basement of the OAC as the Cards lose their 8th straight conference game. The Mount swarmed Davis in the paint and forced the Cardinals to the perimeter and their glaring weakness with their lack of shooters. Their best shooters are prolly over in the rec center playing intramurals. HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT, picked third, coulda been even higher and sitting all alone in the basement.

I listened to the game last night at the office and I literally thought "Has Ott made a single 3 in this game?" because it seemed like they were missing EVERYTHING.  Checked the box score and sure enough they only made 1.  1 of 16.  That and 17 turnovers gets you 44 points and a loss to my very feisty, but very average Raiders. 

On a side note, I love the tenacity the guys in purple are showing as the season goes on.  Not a ton of offensive talent, but they fight and claw and they're finding ways to compete every night now.  That kind of heart is a welcome change. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 22, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST...........................

THE NEWS OUT OF WESTERVILLE........

ATHLETIC DIRECTOR REYNOLDS HAS FIRED HEAD COACH REYNOLDS EFFECTIVE END ON THE SEASON.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 22, 2012, 10:53:49 PM
Wishful thinking again Stevie?  LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 22, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Credible source ....stay tuned.....Get your resume updated.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 23, 2012, 06:08:12 PM
Well it is posted now on the Otterbein website. Congrats Coach Reynolds on a great career and hope you have a great retirement.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 23, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
You heard it here first .........Except it looks as though he is stepping down as AD also...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on January 23, 2012, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2012, 11:51:49 PM
I think that the Otterbein administration has decided that it won't ask Dick Reynolds to retire unless ste24vie complains online about him another 257 times. ::)

So, did ste24vie post his complaints another 257 times....or did Reynolds reach this decision on his own?  :P ;)

On a serious note, congratulations to Dick Reynolds on a fine D3 career with his 2002 National Championship and getting his teams to the Final Four a total of three times.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2012, 10:41:29 PM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on January 23, 2012, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2012, 11:51:49 PM
I think that the Otterbein administration has decided that it won't ask Dick Reynolds to retire unless ste24vie complains online about him another 257 times. ::)

So, did ste24vie post his complaints another 257 times....or did Reynolds reach this decision on his own?  :P ;)

All I know is that the Chinese water torture of reading ste24vie's incessant anti-Reynolds diatribes made me want to retire. ;)

If ste24vie's complaining did play a role (which I doubt, since Reynolds is, after all, four years past the age when most people retire), then congrats to him upon proving the old adage, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." ;D

Quote from: wooscotsfan on January 23, 2012, 09:49:07 PMOn a serious note, congratulations to Dick Reynolds on a fine D3 career with his 2002 National Championship and getting his teams to the Final Four a total of three times.  :)

Seconded. There ain't a lot of college basketball head coaches out there who have 600+ wins and a national championship ring to show for their pains.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on January 23, 2012, 11:05:31 PM
All I know is ... Many of the great ones stick around just a bit too long. Recent Otterbein teams fell victim to poor recruiting as well as poor coaching and less than adequate player performance.  Lack of seasoned assisants also partly to blame. No JV program to develope those not quite ready. And even though there has been adequate players to compete, they continually seem to be stuck in the basement of the OAC. Coach Reynolds built this program and then let it fall down all around him.


Congrats to Coach Reynolds on a great first 35 years, but a 4th grade girls coach coulda won as many games as he has won in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2012, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on January 23, 2012, 11:05:31 PMRecent Otterbein teams fell victim to poor recruiting as well as poor coaching

Poor recruiting is poor coaching. Recruiting is not separate from coaching. Indeed, recruiting is the most important responsibility for a head coach in college basketball, whether you're a direct-contact coach who is logging the car mileage from gym to gym himself, or you're the type who hires and fires the assistants who do the actual recruiting legwork.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 24, 2012, 07:15:32 AM
Quote from: ste24vie on January 23, 2012, 11:05:31 PMLack of seasoned assisants also partly to blame.
Kyle Potkotter is in his 14th season as an assistant coach, 11 of those as the top assistant.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 24, 2012, 08:01:52 AM
Congratulations to Coach Reynolds on a great career.  If Otterbein hires the right guy, this program will be back in the national spotlight soon.  Who is the right guy though?   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on January 24, 2012, 09:33:12 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2012, 10:41:29 PM

Quote from: wooscotsfan on January 23, 2012, 09:49:07 PMOn a serious note, congratulations to Dick Reynolds on a fine D3 career with his 2002 National Championship and getting his teams to the Final Four a total of three times.  :)

Seconded. There ain't a lot of college basketball head coaches out there who have 600+ wins and a national championship ring to show for their pains.

I know Steve Moore would trade some of those consecutive 20 win seasons he's accumulated for one of those rings in a heartbeat...

Congrats to Coach Reynolds on a fine career!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2012, 01:56:02 PM
Going to have to ask you to change your name -- DIIIhoops is too close to our site title and I don't want anyone thinking that is an official moderator post.

Posters attacking posters is not really what we're about here. I get your point that he is posting about someone that clearly you want to defend, but the coach is a public figure.

This is like talk radio. Most coaches came to accept this about 6-7 years ago and I rarely get a coach calling or emailing to complain about an opinion. And nobody at Otterbein has complained about this person being allowed to express his opinion either. I actually think that community has done a pretty good job discrediting his ranting already (see Sager, wooscotsfan posts).

Clearly you know who it is, so I hope you can take your future communications which are for this person alone off of the board, and handle it through email.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 25, 2012, 03:57:53 PM
I dont know what I missed on a post but I think you will see Otterbein rally around their legendary retiring coach and finish the season strong.  They get their first chance tonight at home vs Ohio Northern.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 26, 2012, 10:44:36 AM
8-3    13-4  John Carroll
8-3    11-7    Capital   
7-4    12-6    Marietta   
7-4    9-8    Wilmington (Ohio)   
6-5    11-7    Baldwin-Wallace   
5-6    9-9    Ohio Northern   
4-7    8-10    Mount Union   
4-7    6-12   Heidelberg   
3-8    6-12   Muskingum   
3-8    6-12   Otterbein     

Saturday Games:
Ohio Northern @ John Carroll       
Otterbein @ Marietta       
Capital @ Mount Union           
Wilmington (Ohio) @ Baldwin-Wallace       
Muskingum @ Heidelberg       
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 26, 2012, 07:24:35 PM
that was certainly an exciting game last night at otterbein. Great to see the team finanlly come together and they actually hit outside shots down the stretch. The old man actually looked like he had a smile on his face during the last time out. D*** that was great to watch.

david
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 26, 2012, 07:28:55 PM
I have a  question for those from Marietta. I am going to the Ohio-Ball State game saturday. Because of the game being on national tv it starts at 1100am. I have 6 hours to kill before the hockey game that evening and I noticed that Otterbein is playing at Marietta on saturday afternoon. Is it difficult getting a good seat for games at Marietta? I would love to make the drive over from Athens since I have never seen your great school before. The timing is right and I would love to see if the Cards can keep it going.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 28, 2012, 09:12:20 PM
John Carroll 83,  Ohio Northern 56    
Marietta 64, Otterbein 61        
Capital 63, Mount Union 49    
Wilmington 77, Baldwin-Wallace    70 OT    
Muskingum 80, Heidelberg    73    

9-3    14-4  John Carroll
9-3    12-7    Capital   
8-4    13-6    Marietta   
8-4    10-8    Wilmington (Ohio)   
6-6    11-8    Baldwin-Wallace   
5-7    9-10    Ohio Northern   
4-8    8-11    Mount Union   
4-8    6-13   Heidelberg   
4-8    7-12   Muskingum   
3-9    6-13   Otterbein
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 29, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
the otterbein-marietta game was great. Anyone who had a chance to see it certainly saw fantastic game. The cards certainly look to be rallying around the old man right now and it's great too see. Too bad some of that outside shooting wasn't there earlier in the season. Davis might not have been double and triple teamed every time he received the ball down low if it had. Ending of the game was fun to watch. Youtube already has a video up of it.

david
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 04, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
The resurgence of the Cardinals continues as Otterbein pulls another upset.  Capital wins, John Carroll and Marietta lose. Cap up by 1 game over JCU and 2 over Marietta and Wilmington with four games to go!

Capital 68, Heidelberg 60   
Wilmington 75, Mount Union 61      
Ohio Northern 70, Marietta 63
Baldwin-Wallace 64, Muskingum 44      
Otterbein 89, JCU 75     

11-3   14-7    Capital   
10-4   15-5    John Carroll
9-5    14-7    Marietta   
9-5    11-9    Wilmington (Ohio)   
8-6    13-8    Baldwin-Wallace   
6-8    10-11  Ohio Northern
5-9    8-13    Muskingum     
4-10   8-13    Mount Union   
4-10   6-15    Heidelberg   
4-10   7-14   Otterbein
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 05, 2012, 11:29:46 PM
Why delete my post ....? ? ?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
Just enough already -- you took his post and twisted it to meet your predetermined agenda. You got what you wanted, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 06, 2012, 09:56:13 PM
Well, here's something very positive.......there is new hope in Westerville....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 12, 2012, 12:42:37 PM
this is going to be a great week. Three teams within one game. Marietta seems to have the favorable schedule getting to play both John Carroll and Cap at home the final week. Could we have a three way tie for the lead come saturday night? Who would get the tie-breaker , there must be several scenarios? Never would have thought a little while back Marietta could be sitting pretty right now but they just might get to host the whole thing this year. Add also this saturday night will be a great night at otterbein and this will be one great week of basketball too end the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 14, 2012, 01:46:20 PM
Wow...I did not know the OAC tournament has completely changed this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 15, 2012, 09:29:43 PM
wow marietta sure cout it on cap tonight. Same for JC over Muskingum. JC-Marietta will be a good one Saturday. Three way tie is out of the question now though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 16, 2012, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: ste24vie on December 22, 2011, 05:37:32 PM
There is no dominant team in the OAC this year. Marietta without Halter is just ordinary. JCU is up and down. Wilmington without TWhite is very ordinary. Otterbein's program is unsettled, lots of returning players from last year have disappeared prolly because of the coach. ONU might be the biggest surprise so far. Mt Union and Muskingum and Heidelberg are all struggling. I thought BW would be at or near the top.  Just goes to show, once again, the OAC is up for grabs.

Five losses is gonna win the conference, very ordinary year for the OAC. Looks like you better win the conference tourney ta DANCE.

Huge game at Marietta on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 16, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
Oh wait, I almost forgot about the latest rumor in Westerville. Jon VanderWol has applied and been accepted as the next coach of the Cardinals, to be announced at the end of the season .....GO CARDS
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 16, 2012, 12:14:39 AM
If it's true, you heard it here first .......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 16, 2012, 08:01:38 AM
Marietta drills Cap setting up a Saturday showdown for the title!  I didnt know Otterbein was ready to name the successor to Reynolds.  Will it be announced Saturday at the game Stevie?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 11:11:41 AM
Guys, there's no chance that will happen on that time frame. Doesn't Otterbein need to hire an athletic director, too?

No coaching search moves that quickly unless they are promoting from within. Stevie is engaging in some wishful thinking at best, rumor-mongering at worst.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 16, 2012, 05:26:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 11:11:41 AM
No coaching search moves that quickly unless they are promoting from within.
Here's hoping.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 16, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
Not the end of Otterbein's season, after the DIII final four. What a great addition VanderWal will be. Young and full of energy. Also, was I right about the current coach leaving at the end of the year? You guys thought I was crazy when I posted that. Coach V gets the most outta his players on a regular basis. GO CARDS.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2012, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on February 16, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
Not the end of Otterbein's season, after the DIII final four. What a great addition VanderWal will be. Young and full of energy. Also, was I right about the current coach leaving at the end of the year? You guys thought I was crazy when I posted that.

I don't recall a single person saying that you were crazy to think that Coach Reynolds would retire after the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 18, 2012, 08:01:55 AM
Best wishes to the Cardinals and Coach Reynolds during todays game.  Enjoy the celebration Coach - you earned it!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 19, 2012, 12:06:26 AM
Good win for the Cards tonite.

Couple things that make ya say ...Hmmmmmmmmmm

Wilmington grabbed 3 offensive rebounds, Davis had 5 himself...Hmmmmmmmmm

Both teams combined for 3-20 from long range....Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Figure this out, free admission to the game. Wonder how they came up exactly 2817 attendance?

Now to Wilmington for a rematch on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 19, 2012, 08:27:27 AM
great game and great game for the cards last night. Great too see the old man go out with a win in his final home game. Channel 4 here in columbus had a nice spot on Coach Reynolds and the game also. Oh the student body was great last night. Hope that continues into next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 19, 2012, 03:06:11 PM
The OAC is a one-bid league.  Whoever wins the tournament will be the only OAC team in the Big Dance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on February 19, 2012, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: ste24vie on April 28, 2011, 07:53:41 PM
Please send all the leftovers and alsorans to Westerville. Just because their coach owns the team and the gym and the college, he still has trouble remembering who he should play from one to the next and where his golf cart is supposed to be parked. FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME and the players who deserve someone who can give their all, not someone that keeps hanging onto 2002.

IN HIS OWN WORDS.   WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?

They shoulda listened to me last year .......
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 20, 2012, 10:51:00 PM
Tonight's results:


#8 Otterbein 65, #5 Wilmington 76
#7 Mount Union 52, #6 Ohio Northern 56

Congratulations to Dick Reynolds for his outstanding, 40-year career.

Matchups for tomorrow:

No. 6 Ohio Northern at No. 3 Marietta, 7:30 pm

No. 5-Wilmington at No. 4 Baldwin-Wallace, 7:30 pm
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 25, 2012, 12:03:13 PM
wow nothing since the first round posted. Is this a sign of the strength of the oac this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 25, 2012, 09:48:22 PM
Capital drops Wilmington 70-60 and moves on to the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 26, 2012, 07:57:34 AM
Good game last night. Large crowd from Wilmington , especially the students. Everyone there was really into the game. Cap led from start to finish jumping out to a quick 10 point lead and 15 at half. Wilmington made a good game of it but never came within 9 in the second half. As I mentioned in the NCAC forum I do hope people learn what the secondary defender rule is by next year. The officials did a good job last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 26, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: davepi2 on February 26, 2012, 07:57:34 AM
Good game last night. Large crowd from Wilmington , especially the students. Everyone there was really into the game. Cap led from start to finish jumping out to a quick 10 point lead and 15 at half. Wilmington made a good game of it but never came within 9 in the second half. As I mentioned in the NCAC forum I do hope people learn what the secondary defender rule is by next year. The officials did a good job last night.

It helps when the ref points to the circle, otherwise people just think the ref is out of his mind.

I hardly saw this called all year and then saw it twice yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 29, 2012, 03:08:04 PM
Can any OAC fan tell me something about Capital?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on March 16, 2012, 08:29:51 AM
Stevie - what is going on with Otterbein?  Has Vonderwaal been named the head coach yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on April 17, 2012, 09:02:12 AM
Hearing rumblings that Ohio Northern may be looking for a new head coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 17, 2012, 09:52:31 AM
Quote from: WAlum on April 17, 2012, 09:02:12 AM
Hearing rumblings that Ohio Northern may be looking for a new head coach!

This is true:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/coaching-carousel
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 17, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Gale Daugherty and Joe Campoli left big shoes to fill in that job.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on April 17, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
I thought everyone in the OAC was hiring Jon VanderWal  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2012, 12:14:46 AM
Quote from: sac on April 17, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
I thought everyone in the OAC was hiring Jon VanderWal  ???

+1
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on April 18, 2012, 09:13:28 AM
Where is Stevie24?  I keep waiting to see the VanderWal announcement from Otterbein.  Soon?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 20, 2012, 12:27:37 PM
I don't know anything about the Ott coaching situation, but they just hired the new AD a week or so ago so maybe that's the hold up.  But then again, would Ott have let Reynolds hand pick his successor on his way out as a respect thing?  Either way I'm guessing it's someone w/ ties to Otterbein already.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on May 21, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
Ohio Northern names MIT Associate Head Coach Kevin Byrne to lead their program:

http://onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/2012052114e7gw
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 22, 2012, 11:15:39 AM
Adrian resigns from Edgewood College to go to Otterbein...

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/news/2012/5/22/MBB_0522125816.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on May 22, 2012, 12:38:09 PM
Looks like both ONU and Otterbein have solid solid hires.......and Jon VanderWal is perfectly happy in Marietta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ste24vie on May 22, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
VanderWal wanted too much money to move. Looks like a good hire though for a program totally decimated. Shoulda made this move 3-5 years ago. Good luck Cards.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on June 03, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
Otterbein top assistant Kyle Pottkotter has resigned to pursue a full-time, year-round opportunity in camps and personal training, starting KAP Sports Camps LLC (https://www.facebook.com/pages/KAP-Sports-Camps-LLC/338192262914200). Kyle is a 1999 Denison graduate who coached at Wooster and his alma mater before joining the Cards in 2008. Best wishes to Kyle in his new venture!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BogeyMan on June 06, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
That's really too bad Kyle Pottkotter isn't the new Otterbein coach.  Kyle is a very good coach and a better person.  Good luck to Kyle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on June 25, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on June 06, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
That's really too bad Kyle Pottkotter isn't the new Otterbein coach.  Kyle is a very good coach and a better person.  Good luck to Kyle.
Yes, with no disrespect intended to Coach Adrian, these are my thoughts too. While he didn't rack up too many W's as a top assistant (i.e., since he left Wooster), most of the time the best parts of his teams were the parts he was directly responsible for.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on July 03, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Are there any Recruiting updates for the OAC teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: OC_SID on August 24, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
Baldwin Wallace's schedule is on its new website:

http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on September 06, 2012, 11:08:42 PM
9-6 added JCU, Otterbein and Wilmington which completes this list


Baldwin Wallace:  http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule
Capital:  http://www.capital.edu/mens-basketball-schedule/
Heildelberg:  http://www.heidelberg.edu/athletics/teams/mbasketball/schedule
*John Carroll:  http://jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&   
Marietta:  http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Mount Union:  http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule
Muskingum:  http://www.muskingum.edu/athletics/basketball_m/Schedule12-13.html
Ohio Northern:  http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule
***Otterbein:  http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
**Wilmington:  http://www2.wilmington.edu/mens-basketball/calendar/6526

*  John Carroll has a schedule posted but its really just the OAC dates and their exhibition game with Akron, otherwise nothing to see here move along.

**  Wilmington actually has its full schedule now posted and worth noting it includes a real game with D1 Miami(Ohio) in late December.

***  Otterbein has their schedule up which includes a lot of TBA's.  Otterbein and Ohio Wesleyan, two schools about 17 miles apart will play each other in Rochester, NY.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on October 03, 2012, 11:23:01 PM
Any predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 05, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
I don't know about predictions, but I hope for incremental improvement from my Raiders.  They haven't had a winning record overall or in the OAC the last 7 yrs.  They were 11-15, 7-11 last year.  I'd be happy with 9-9 and a winning record overall this year.  That's quite a string of below avg. hoops, but luckily if Fuline landed a couple key recruits it can turn around quickly.  Hopefully he did.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:36:30 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on October 31, 2012, 09:56:03 AM
Some pretty important news about Baldwin-Wallace on the d3hoops.com home page.

http://d3hoops.com/notables/2012/10/baldwin-wallace-postseason-ban
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 14, 2012, 10:29:57 AM
UMU posted their roster.  I don't see Stevie Griffin on it.  That's not good news since he was their 3rd leading scorer (9 ppg) as a freshman last year.  I'm guessing they were counting on him to be a main scorer this year. 

Varsity roster breakdown is:  2 seniors, 5 juniors, 1 soph, 7 freshmen. 

They're going to lean heavily on the backcourt as Gillespie, Little and Jacubec are by far the guys who played the most last year (all avg 22+ min).  The front court is going to be interesting with the graduation of Wood and loss of Griffin. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 18, 2012, 10:48:24 AM
Rough start for the OAC, 7-11 the first weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2012, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: sac on November 18, 2012, 10:48:24 AM
Rough start for the OAC, 7-11 the first weekend.

Yeah, and on top of that the preseason favorite and 2nd (tied) got blown out.  Wheaton blew Cap's doors off 80-45 and OWU beat up on Etta by 20+.  Not good.

Following the box scores it looks like my Raiders are going with a full on youth movement.  A lot of freshmen named among the scoring/rebounding leaders so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 18, 2012, 11:35:14 PM
Impressive opening night win by BW over Bethany. Looks like the Jackets were up big during the game but hung on for a 5 point win against a very good Bethany team with a lot of returners from an NCAA qualifier last year. Another big test comes Tuesday night against Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on November 19, 2012, 02:55:15 PM
I see BW winning the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 19, 2012, 04:02:30 PM
I hope not for their sake.  It'd suck to win the regular season and then have no chance to go to the tournament.  I feel like that would burn me up if my team was the #1 team in the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 21, 2012, 08:46:54 AM
I disagree with Dr. Acula. Right now it's all BW has to play for, a regular season title. It does suck that they can not go to post-season because they should have a very good team. But now they have to set their goal at what they can achieve and that is to win the OAC regular season. Had a chance to take in BW vs Wooster game. Very good game between 2 very good teams. Rebounding was the difference in the game especially at the offensive end and Goodwin came up big for Wooster all night. Both teams should be fun to watch all season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 25, 2012, 07:58:52 PM
I just meant it sucked for them because I wouldn't want to "waste" (for lack of a better word) a championship caliber team in a year when I can't go to the tournament.  This is BW we're talking about.  It's not like they can just shrug it off because they field great teams regularly.  They don't.  They don't even field good teams regularly.  That's why I thought it was a shame for them.  But you're right, they'll go all out to win that reg season title.  No doubt there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on November 26, 2012, 03:47:05 PM
JCU playing better than expected!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on December 04, 2012, 04:37:25 PM
Not much OAC talk going on in here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 05, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
does anyone know if the game time for the mt. union basketball game is ferm or may change with the football game ending?  Would love to catch both games and then get back to columbus in time to  catch at least part of otterbein's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 05:52:44 PM
Earlier in the week they announced a time change for the Mount Union MBB home game. The time on our site and their site is correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 05, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
thank you very much, now do I stay in allinace for the mt. game or go home early for the otterbein game?  Decisions decicions. Would love to catch the cards under the new coach but I have the rest of the year for that. This is probably my only trip to the mt. this year so I think I will stay.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 06, 2012, 10:52:03 AM
Nice road win for Mount last night at JCU.  Down 2 at the half and then outscore the Streaks by 18 in the 2nd half.  Jacubec led the way with 23.  Dillon had 20.  And Moore and Scelza had 12 and 11, respectively, in 16 minutes apiece.  Not surprisingly when you score 92 points they shot the ball well.  55% from the floor. 

I'm cautiously excited after playing Cap tough (4 point loss in Bexley) then winning at JCU.  With that many freshmen playing I know they're going to be inconsistent, but at least it seems like those kids have some talent.  That's very encouraging.  My caution comes from my uncertainty about how down the OAC is this year.  Are our young guys good?  Or is the conference just middling this year so it appears they are?  I'm sure it's a some of both. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 06, 2012, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: davepi2 on December 05, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
thank you very much, now do I stay in allinace for the mt. game or go home early for the otterbein game?  Decisions decicions. Would love to catch the cards under the new coach but I have the rest of the year for that. This is probably my only trip to the mt. this year so I think I will stay.

You should stay.  Isn't Ott playing Musky?  Who wants to see that?  Haha.  That Berg/Mount game should be much better than watching the Fish.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 07, 2012, 08:10:00 PM
unfortunately dr. the decision was made for me. I have to work tomorrow. No way to get to alliance from columbus in 1 hour. Oh well Otterbein it is. However with any luck I might make it to the cap game saturday afternoon and failing that maybe Ohio Wesleyan or Denison.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 08, 2012, 05:38:32 PM
Capital 64 Baldwin-Wallace 63
3 pointer to win it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2012, 08:29:53 PM
Mount improves to 2-1 in OAC play (3-5 overall) with a 68-67 win over Berg.  Not a bad start in conference play so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 09, 2012, 08:49:16 AM
I can't believe it, can't make it too the football game of the year, miss a great basketball game and wind up settling for what maybe the worst basketball game I have ever watched. That game at Otterbein was terrible. Muskingum kept in the game because the cards can't hit a jump shot or shoot ft's. Terrible , terrible game. Good thing the cheerleaders are hot!!! because if you ever wanted to watch basketball in the worst way, Otterbein was the place to be last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 17, 2012, 10:47:52 AM
Mount (4-5, 3-1) picks up another road win this time at Ott 66-60.  Balanced scoring with 5 guys scoring at least 8 pts.  Also good to see Stevie Griffin played 15 minutes.  He struggled shooting, but did grab 6 boards in limited action.  It's good to see him back in the box score.  That'll help them going forward.  Credit to Coach Fuline so far.  They're young, but he has them off to a nice start in conference play.  Definitely encouraging.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 29, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
Mount drops one to #12 Adrian 73-63. The Raiders played them tough. They trailed 66-63 in the final 90 sec before a clutch 3 put the game away.  A loss is a loss, but I'm again pleased with the play. They shot poorly in the 1st half, but battled and had a chance until the end.  Obviously they need to win games like this, but this is still progress from where they were. They're competing every night now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 02, 2013, 09:14:22 AM
I don't care who the coach at Otterbein is , if they don't learn how to shoot ft's they are going to have a hard time winning many games this year. I have seen them 3 times this year and they have been terrible at the line every time. Best defense especially in a close game is to foul.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 02, 2013, 12:51:35 PM
Quote from: davepi2 on January 02, 2013, 09:14:22 AM
I don't care who the coach at Otterbein is , if they don't learn how to shoot ft's they are going to have a hard time winning many games this year. I have seen them 3 times this year and they have been terrible at the line every time. Best defense especially in a close game is to foul.

68.1% on the year is sadly above the national average.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 02, 2013, 05:08:51 PM
I looked at the OAC stats just to see what the team FT % looked like.  I was immediately distracted wondering how the heck Musky leads the conference at just under 77% AND has attempted the most FT by nearly 40 attempts.  How is a team that's losing all the time get to the line that much?  And how are you 0-10 if you're getting that many freebies and converting at such a high rate?  Then I saw that they give up 84.5 points per game (last) and shoot 38.9% from the floor (last) and their record made more sense.

As for Ott, maybe their % is misleading?  Maybe they have Cavs LeBron syndrome where they knock them down in the first half or when the game is a 20 point margin, but if it's late in a close game they're splitting the pair every time.  Haha.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 02, 2013, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 02, 2013, 05:08:51 PM
I looked at the OAC stats just to see what the team FT % looked like.  I was immediately distracted wondering how the heck Musky leads the conference at just under 77% AND has attempted the most FT by nearly 40 attempts.  How is a team that's losing all the time get to the line that much?  And how are you 0-10 if you're getting that many freebies and converting at such a high rate?  Then I saw that they give up 84.5 points per game (last) and shoot 38.9% from the floor (last) and their record made more sense.

As for Ott, maybe their % is misleading?  Maybe they have Cavs LeBron syndrome where they knock them down in the first half or when the game is a 20 point margin, but if it's late in a close game they're splitting the pair every time.  Haha.

When I went over rosters for my blog last spring one of the things that really stood out was Muskingum's lack of height.  They've added a couple since last spring but they pretty much have just 4 guys 6-5 or taller.  That won't work well in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 02, 2013, 05:22:27 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2013, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 02, 2013, 05:08:51 PM
I looked at the OAC stats just to see what the team FT % looked like.  I was immediately distracted wondering how the heck Musky leads the conference at just under 77% AND has attempted the most FT by nearly 40 attempts.  How is a team that's losing all the time get to the line that much?  And how are you 0-10 if you're getting that many freebies and converting at such a high rate?  Then I saw that they give up 84.5 points per game (last) and shoot 38.9% from the floor (last) and their record made more sense.

As for Ott, maybe their % is misleading?  Maybe they have Cavs LeBron syndrome where they knock them down in the first half or when the game is a 20 point margin, but if it's late in a close game they're splitting the pair every time.  Haha.

When I went over rosters for my blog last spring one of the things that really stood out was Muskingum's lack of height.  They've added a couple since last spring but they pretty much have just 4 guys 6-5 or taller.  That won't work well in the OAC.

I saw later that they have one kid, Dave Brown, who has attempted basically 30% of their FT and he shoots 90%.  That'll boost the old team average!

I haven't seen Musky in a few yrs, but my mental picture of the Fish is usually mostly kids 5'10-6'3" who like to shoot jumpers.  Evidently this year those jumpers aren't falling.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 06, 2013, 09:20:28 AM
nobody is worse at shooting ft's then otterbein. I have seen them lose at least two games this year(mt. union and milwaukee)where ft shooting has been the cause. Too be frank they are brutal. They didn't shoot many yesterday against cap so they didn't miss many there. The cap game was really bad, this will be a hard team to watch the rest of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 09, 2013, 08:48:53 PM
What is going on with the OAC?  Unpredictable performances every night!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 10, 2013, 12:09:28 AM
Who woke up Baldwin-Wallace?

BW 94 Marietta 71
BW 106 John Carroll 75
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 10, 2013, 03:36:39 PM
Mount falls at Etta 97-90.  They got killed at the line to the tune of -20 (29/33 vs. 9/19).  Not that it determined the outcome, but you're down 4 with 30 sec left so you certainly could have used at least a decent FT performance prior to that.  They're just not good enough to have let downs in phases and win games against good teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 12, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
Important one for Marietta today hosting John Carroll.  Capital has a tricky trip to Ohio Northern.


Capital  7-0
Marietta  6-1
BW       5-2
everyone else  3-4

Marietta plays at Capital next Wednesday so you can see how important these games are to setting up that one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 13, 2013, 02:28:42 PM
well I was wrong. I did see a performance of shooting ft's that is worse ot oc's. If you wanted to see free throw shooting in the worst way last night's game bestween bert and oc was the place to be. Berg had a lower percentage at the line then the cards and that isn't easy to do. One berg player air balled not one but two foul shots. It was so bad I thought I might be watching my bobcats last night instead of a d3 game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 17, 2013, 05:47:06 AM
Marietta with the win over Cap at the buzzer.  3 team race between 'Etta, Cap, and BW!  BIG BIG BIG game Saturday as Cap and BW square off.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 23, 2013, 09:18:53 PM
Mount completes the sweep of JCU tonight 93-84. It didn't look promising when JCU jumped out 15-0 to start the game but the Raiders steadied the ship with a quick run of their own. Mount now sits in 4th place at 6-5.  While they're not contenders yet this is a big deal for the All-Sports standings as hoops has dragged them down recently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 24, 2013, 12:01:49 AM
^^^ 83-74 was that final. Oops.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on January 24, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
Otterbein with the HUGE upset over Marietta!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 01, 2013, 02:22:00 PM
I saw Mount lost to BW by a bucket on a last second shot.  Too bad.  Yet another game where they're going toe to toe with one of the good teams in the conference but just can't close.  I saw where Mike Fuline spoke at the Hall of Fame luncheon.  He mentioned how with the core of the team being the 2 sophs and 5 freshmen he still expected them to contend for the OAC title next year.  Normally I'd say that's just coach-speak, but I actually don't think he's wrong.  By no means are they going to be a favorite, but I think they'll surprise some people next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 02, 2013, 08:22:58 PM
UMU 93, Ott 65. The Raiders complete the sweep of the Cards. As someone who was in college during the Gibbs era you could have never sold me on a middle of the pack Mount team sweeping Ott and JCU both. I would have looked at you like you had two heads.  The Raiders are now 7-7 with Musky on deck.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 02, 2013, 11:43:57 PM
Marietta 92 Heidelberg 89 2OT

game of the day in the region.  H'berg hit a 3 with 11 seconds left to send it to OT, Marietta hit a 3 with 10 seconds left to send it to 2OT.
http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130202_v9r5.xml?view=plays

Capital at Marietta next Wed for the outright lead in the OAC
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on February 07, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
Wanted to see if I could create some discussion about POY candidates. With 3 games to be played in the regular season, in my opinion, there are a possible 4 prospects: JJ Martin from Marietta, Kyle Payne from BW, and either Michael Sommer or Spencer Niekamp from Capital. Any thoughts or additional deserving candidates in anyone's opinion. It appears Capital is in the driver's seat for the regular season title. BW and Marietta square off Saturday with the loser all but out of the race. Capital has one road game, at Otterbein, in a rivalry game, and then closes the season at home. They control their own destiny. Stranger things have happened with 3 games remaining in the OAC
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 09, 2013, 11:11:44 PM
Marietta's Jacob Owen's makes a 3-point shot with :06 on the clock for the win over Baldwin-Wallace 72-70 to remain one game back of Capital.  BW falls two back.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 10, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
exciting game at otterbein last night. Cap looked great in the first half and then otterbein mounted a great comback in the second. Crowd was great also. Great to see the student into the game as much as last night.
Title: Ohio Northern Coach
Post by: remsleep on February 10, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Could somebody please correct the team page for Ohio Northern Men's Basketball?  The Head Coach is Kevin Byrne.
Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 10, 2013, 12:32:19 PM
Mount picked up a solid road win in Ada. At 9-7 they've clinched a spot in the OAC tourney and now at least a .500 mark in OAC play.  Minor things, but progress is progress. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 11, 2013, 12:20:17 PM
Good year for Mount.  The tournament will be fun with the potential for upsets in every game!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 14, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
Cap clinches a share with a win over muskingum and can win it outright with a win over ONU on saturday.  When was the last time a team went winless in the OAC?  The Muskies are 0-17 with B-W remaining.  If Otterbein beats Heidelberg on Saturday, they tie the 'Berg for the 8th spot and will make the tournament (I think)based on tie-breakers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 14, 2013, 02:20:36 AM
More like Capital survives Muskingum,  60-59 with 4 minutes to play.

http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20130213_6m7l.xml?view=box2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 14, 2013, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: WAlum on February 14, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
When was the last time a team went winless in the OAC? 

1988  Otterbein went 0-16

2 years later they won the OAC and would win it 3 years in a row.  Can't remember the guys name but they had a transfer from Ohio State and he was a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: sac on February 14, 2013, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: WAlum on February 14, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
When was the last time a team went winless in the OAC? 

1988  Otterbein went 0-16

2 years later they won the OAC and would win it 3 years in a row.  Can't remember the guys name but they had a transfer from Ohio State and he was a good one.

James Bradley.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 14, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
if otterbein gets the tiebreaker(that's a big if, I don't have a lot of confidence in the cards winnng saturday)that would set up a nice 3rd game with cap. The respective student sections last saturday night at otterbein were everything you would want at a college basketball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 14, 2013, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: davepi2 on February 14, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
if otterbein gets the tiebreaker(that's a big if, I don't have a lot of confidence in the cards winnng saturday)that would set up a nice 3rd game with cap. The respective student sections last saturday night at otterbein were everything you would want at a college basketball game.

Otterbein is in the tournament because Baldwin-Wallace made themselves ineligible this year.

Quote from: sac on October 31, 2012, 09:56:03 AM
Some pretty important news about Baldwin-Wallace on the d3hoops.com home page.
http://d3hoops.com/notables/2012/10/baldwin-wallace-postseason-ban



The OAC doesn't do a straight 8 team tournament any more.

It's this:  pdf of the bracket here    http://oac.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/13MBASKETBALL_Bracket.pdf

#8 at #5
#7 at #6
---------------
Winner 8/5 at #4
Winner 7/6 at #3
------------------------

Winner 8/5/4 at #1
Winner 7/6/3 at #2
--------------------------

Winners in Championship

In other words the 1 and 2 only have to win 2 games to win the tournament, while the 3/4 have to win 3, 5-8 have to win 4.


Otterbein's opponent is yet to be determined between Wilmington, Mt. Union, Ohio Northern, John Carroll. They'll either be the 8 or 7 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 15, 2013, 11:17:04 AM
I actually like that format for a conference tourney.  It actually rewards the teams that win the conference regular season.  If you can't eliminate conference tourneys, this is the next best thing if you ask me...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 15, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
thanks for the bw info. I had forgot after the football season ended.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 16, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
Capital beat Ohio Northern, which didn't matter because John Carroll beat Marietta anyway.

seeds
1.  Capital
2.  Marietta
3.  Wilmington
4.  Mt. Union
5.  John Carroll
6.  Ohio Northern
7.  Heidelberg
8.  Otterbein

pdf of the bracket:  http://oac.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/13BASKETBALL_Bracket.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 18, 2013, 10:18:30 PM
Wouldn't be the OAC tournament without an upset as #8 Ott beats #5 JCU,

Otterbein 82 John Carroll 76
Ohio Northern 79 Heidelberg 71

"2nd round" Tuesday night
#8 Otterbein at #4  Mt. Union
#6 Ohio Northern at #3 Wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 21, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
OAC semifinals.
Mount beats Cap 63-59.
Wilmington and Marietta in 2OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 21, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
Marietta vs Mount Union in the OAC finals!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 21, 2013, 10:06:49 PM
wow what a night. The wilmington-marietta game must be an instant classic. mt. union-capital was a well played exciting game as well. Cap's lack of a inside game especially when the 3 isn't working showed tonight. Great coaching job from mt. and well deserved win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 22, 2013, 01:54:25 AM
The two previous Mt. Union/Marietta games were pretty high scoring, both went Marietta's way.  97-90, 93-81.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 22, 2013, 03:12:14 PM
The Wilmington/Marietta Triple overtime boxscore
http://pioneers.marietta.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=1873

5 players scored 20 or more points

Regulation--3 go ahead layups in the final 1 minute, and a made and missed ft with :01 on the clock by Marietta

First OT--game tying 3 pointer with :04 remaining by Marietta

Second OT--3 pointer with :12 to play to cut the lead to 2 by Marietta, 1 made Ft, 1 missed ft with :09 by Wilmington, game tying 3 pointer with :01 remaining by Marietta

Marietta times article:  http://www.mariettatimes.com/page/content.detail/id/550021/Triple-overtime--MC-downs-Quakers--faces-Mount-in-OAC-title-tilt.html?nav=5025
QuoteThis season, Marietta has beaten Capital on a last-second shot, downed Heidelberg in double OT, lost to Capital in OT, and defeated Baldwin-Wallace with a late shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: WAlum on February 23, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
Mount vs. Marietta for the title.  Both teams are out of pool C contention so the AQ is the only way to punch a ticket to the Big Dance!   Marietta won 97-90 and 93-81 in the first two meetings.  I expect the result to be similar.  Marietta by 9 and the Pioneers are dancing in March!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 23, 2013, 01:44:05 PM
I just watched selected parts of the  wilmington-marietta game(thank you oac for the video). Can anyone explain the foul on wilmington that gave marietta the foul shots to tie the game in regulation? Since I don't know who the foul was called on or why I will too try from passing judgement.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2013, 08:35:08 PM
Don't want to jinx it with a ton of time left, but Mount is stunning Etta. Up 52-33 with 13 min to go. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2013, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2013, 08:35:08 PM
Don't want to jinx it with a ton of time left, but Mount is stunning Etta. Up 52-33 with 13 min to go.

Nice job by me....19-2 run. 54-52 Mount.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2013, 09:15:36 PM
Wow. Mount looked AWFUL especially offensively and Etta took the lead. But the Raiders clawed their way to OT. 66-66. Griffin with a big drive to tie it with 14 sec left. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Etta is going to win this. The only thing I can say from watching that is if those are the 2 best teams right now the OAC is down big time this yr.  But I think that's a known thing.  Just lacking a top 25 caliber team this year.  Congrats to Etta on the comeback. Go make some noise in the tourney.  My Raiders will recover. Both sophs were All-OAC, Ruffin was OAC freshman of the year...things are looking good for the first time in yrs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 23, 2013, 10:09:38 PM
say dr, mt. didn't slow down the game again tonight to wind up giving up that big lead did they? That almost cost them against cap when up 13 against them in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2013, 11:51:55 PM
Quote from: davepi2 on February 23, 2013, 10:09:38 PM
say dr, mt. didn't slow down the game again tonight to wind up giving up that big lead did they? That almost cost them against cap when up 13 against them in the second half.

They were running clock, yes. They were doing that and then they'd end up getting a tough shot. They had a long stretch where they didn't score. 8 min maybe?  There were a lot of rushed drives and contested shots.  The backbreaking plays were the not one, but two 4 point plays they gave up.  The first cut the lead from 9 to 5 I think. Huge momentum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 24, 2013, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: davepi2 on February 23, 2013, 01:44:05 PM
I just watched selected parts of the  wilmington-marietta game(thank you oac for the video). Can anyone explain the foul on wilmington that gave marietta the foul shots to tie the game in regulation? Since I don't know who the foul was called on or why I will too try from passing judgement.

boxscore says it was on Wilmington's #11 Clarke Ransom.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29481252
at 1:51:20 looks like he was called for a push, for basically undercutting the offensive player receiving the full court pass while backing into him.

Kind of weak?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 24, 2013, 07:12:00 AM
too bad Boomer wasn't there grading the officials in that game instead of the cap game. Would love his opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on August 27, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Couple familiar names to Ohio D3 fans hired at Heidelberg

http://www.heidelberg.edu/athletics/teams/mbasketball/news/20130805
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on September 06, 2013, 06:04:02 PM


9/6  added John Carroll

Baldwin Wallace:  http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule
Capital:   http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule
Heildelberg:
John Carroll:       http://www.jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&
Marietta:  http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Mount Union:  http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule
Muskingum: 
Ohio Northern:  http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/schedule
Otterbein:  http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Wilmington: 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2013, 10:23:38 AM
Having all those other schedules in the system allows us to display partial schedules for the rest:

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Heidelberg/Men/2013-14/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Muskingum/Men/2013-14/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Wilmington/Men/2013-14/index
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on October 11, 2013, 10:07:04 PM
A question for Heidelberg fans. I was looking at my ohio bobcats schedule for the 2013/2014 season and I saw Heidelberg on the schedule. Is this the same Heidelberg from Tiffin or some other one I don't know about? If it is you then I hope you have a great time down in Athens. I know from watching your games at Cap and Otterbein the Berg always comes strong. See you at the game and don't forget the night spots on court street afterwards.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 12, 2013, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: davepi2 on October 11, 2013, 10:07:04 PM
A question for Heidelberg fans. I was looking at my ohio bobcats schedule for the 2013/2014 season and I saw Heidelberg on the schedule. Is this the same Heidelberg from Tiffin or some other one I don't know about?

There's only one other institution of higher learning called Heidelberg, and that's the original one:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cfhu.org%2Fsites%2Ffiles%2Fcfhu.org%2Fheidelberg-university-logo.jpg&hash=9f7a8bb139e281dcafc23499a85e069f3865747f)

I doubt that it has a basketball team that's going to fly from Germany to Athens, OH for a game. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on October 12, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
Thank you very much, after looking at the schedule closer I did notice that was a student prince logo. Second time Ohio has played a d3 team in a regular season game in the last three years. The kind of game you would expect for beginning exhibition not a regular game. Oh well Ohio is not going to be very good this year , who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 28, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
Mount has their roster up. Given the mass youth of last year's team I wasn't sure what to expect. Well, the one thing that should be a given:  Fuline reeling in his former players. 2 more of his former HS players are on the roster in Miles Griffin and Michael Shull.  Shull went to DII Malone but is now listed as a soph at Mount. Griffin joins his brother Stevie in Alliance. Miles tore his ACL last Dec but he was a very nice HS player averaging almost 15 ppg and leading the team in reb and assists as a jr. Just a solid all around player.

The name that jumped out to me was DeAllen Jackson from Akron Hoban.  Really excited about him. Kid can absolutely score the ball.

They need bigs. My pipe dream was that Josh Egner would become overcome with memories and land at Mount when he transferred from Akron.  That kind of athlete in the post would have been huge, but alas he went to Walsh. Can't really blame him.  Mount did bring in Tyler Sherman who is a pretty skilled 6'7" kid from Norton.  He's going to have to play early I'm guessing because they have guards out the wazoo but they're thin on bigs still.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 03, 2013, 01:14:17 AM
Have the coaches and media's picks come out for the new hoops season? What are some thoughts about the rankings? I will go with BW, Wilm, Mount, ONU, Marietta, Cap, Ott, JCU, Berg, and Musky in that order.  Thoughts???
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 07, 2013, 04:27:48 PM
OAC coaches poll released this afternoon

http://oac.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/2013__Basketball_poll.pdf


Personally I'd be uneasy voting an 13-15 team from last year #3 in this conference.  Asking a team that hasn't had a winning record in 8 seasons to finish 3rd seems like a lot.  Marietta and Capital despite graduation losses are still pretty strong programs to just leapfrog like that.   We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 08, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
I agree with the thought process of sac about Mount maybe not being able to leapfrog over Capital and Marietta but the bottom line is--look at the players returning for all 3 programs. Mount has some of the best young players in the league that gained valuable experience playing last year. Both Capital and Marietta lost key players to graduation last year. Both coaches do tremendous jobs with the players they have but I think that talent comes to the top this year. I was a little surprised that Northern was picked that low by the coaches. They have some nice talent coming back also. Should be another interesting year in the OAC. BW will get a measuring bar test early when they play in Wooster's tourney. All 4 teams ranked in the top 26 of d3hoops pre-season
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 08, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
My assumption is Mount being 3rd is based almost solely on their run to the finals with basically a freshmen/soph squad.  It's definitely higher than I would have had them right now.  To me BW is the favorite, Wilm is good, and then you have a handful of teams that look to be bunched pretty closely.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 14, 2013, 01:03:56 PM
Trying to get some conversation going on this site. How about a discussion of possible POY candidates for this season in OAC. I think all talk begins with Kyle Payne from BW. He must be considered the pre-season front-runner. Other possible candidates that I will throw out there include Tyler Hammond of Marietta, Nate Jacubec from Mount, Branden Rushton from ONU, Malcolm Heard from Wilmington, and Kevin Krakowiak from BW. All are seniors except Jacubec. Any thoughts on those possibilities or others to throw in the discussion??
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 17, 2013, 10:33:16 AM
It's Payne or Heard, IMO.  Anyone else would be a surprise to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on November 22, 2013, 09:33:40 PM
good luck Student Princes at Ohio tomorrow. Please try to ignore the fact that the Convo is a dump. I am sure you will give a much better account of yourselves then the Ohio football team did in their disgraceful performance Tuesday night. I think it will be a lot closer then a lot of folks down in Athens think.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on November 24, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
congrats Quakers on a great win. If you want some good reading check out the Miami message boards. This may be the worst meld down ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 24, 2013, 06:39:25 PM
I don't know what's happened in Oxford, but they are awful at both football and hoops now.  It's kind of amazing how they got so bad so quickly.  Great win for Wilm and D3 though.  Always fun to see. 

Saw BW dropped at close one at Wooster.  Also saw that the big kid I wanted Mount to get badly (Fanelly) is starting at Wooster as a freshman.  He had 13 and 7 against BW.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on November 25, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
well Miami fired their football coach just a few games into the season, basketball coach may not make it much longer.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 25, 2013, 10:29:28 PM
John Cooper is in just his second season in Oxford. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 04, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
Raiders open OAC play by handing JCU their first loss of the season. Mount scored 66...in the 2nd half!  113-100 final. Soph Cody Dillon dropped 35 including 8-11 from 3.  Solid win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2013, 11:54:53 AM
Mount snuck out a win in Tiffin yesterday 74-71. I'll take any road win in conference play.  They're now 4-2, 2-0.  Ruffin had a double double with 16 and 13.  Freshman big man Tyler Sherman is only playing 12 min per game, but he's averaging 6 boards and a block in those 12 min.  Good sign for the future that they should have another guy to attack the glass hard.

The other good news is that they're 2-0 and their leading returning scorer, Jacubec, has been shooting poorly (28%).  Once he finds his stroke again they'll be in even better shape.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 09, 2013, 05:39:29 PM
I know its early but picking Marietta to finish 5th is looking a little foolish.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 14, 2013, 04:51:57 PM
Marietta 82 Heidelberg 80

A little running right-hander from H'berg fails to drop at the buzzer.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 14, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
Mount (5-2, 3-0) built a 16 point lead at half and cruised to a 93-71 win over Ott today.  The Cards fought back and cut it 6 a couple times early in the 2nd, but the lead ballooned up to 15+ for around the last 10 min.  Balanced scoring with 5 Raiders in double figures. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 14, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
say dr. that must have been quite a day in alliance today. How bad was the snow and did you get to watch the football game as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 15, 2013, 12:02:30 AM
I just followed the basketball on live stats from the office while I was working.  I did watch the football game on ESPN3.  I live in Cbus so I wasn't messing with the drive today. It was snowing pretty good.  Field went from clear to a few inches of snow covering it in the 3 hrs. Good game. It can be watched on ESPN3 if you were so inclined.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 16, 2013, 08:56:01 PM
Wilmington 89  Baldwin-Wallace 74

Wilmington vs #3 Illinois Wesleyan on Friday at Hope
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 18, 2013, 03:24:27 PM
Big night for the OAC race.

Baldwin-Wallace at Mt.Union

BW needs  the win to avoid dropping 2 back before we even reach January.  MtU will be looking to protect home court and stay tied with Marietta who hosts Muskingum.



On Saturday BW travels to Bethany in a key regional game.  Combined with their Monday game against Wilmington, this will have been a really big week for Baldwin-Wallace.  A season shaping kind of week.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 18, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
Mount takes care of business at home. Drops BW 90-79 and moves to 4-0 in OAC play. Solid win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 21, 2013, 06:25:55 PM
Bethany 60  Baldwin-Wallace  58

significant loss in the post-season picture for BW and a significant win for Bethany.


Rose-Hulman 85 John Carroll  80
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 21, 2013, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: sac on December 18, 2013, 03:24:27 PM
On Saturday BW travels to Bethany in a key regional game.  Combined with their Monday game against Wilmington, this will have been a really big week for Baldwin-Wallace.  A season shaping kind of week.

0-3 is not the shape BW wanted it to take.  At 2-2 it's way early obviously. The problem is they just made the road a lot harder as they lost a chunk of their margin for error before Santa even comes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 29, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
Mount (7-2) coasts past a not-so-good Adrian team yesterday at home 68-49.  No one scored more than 11, but 8 guys had at least 6 points.

JCU and Musky also won the other OOC games so it was a good Saturday for the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 04, 2014, 04:55:55 PM
Muskingum 87  John Carroll 85

The Muskies 27 game OAC losing streak is over!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2014, 09:42:12 AM
Good for the Fish!  Gotta believe JCU fans had that penciled in as a W.

Mount set a new school record with 17 triples in a 113-75 win over Westminster the other day.  The Raiders are 9-2 and look to go to 5-0 in OAC play tomorrow night at Cap.  If you want to be taken seriously you have to take care of business on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 06, 2014, 12:27:01 PM
Mount at Cap tonight has been postponed until 1/20.  Kind of bums me out as I could go tonight.  Not so sure about 2 weeks from now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 08, 2014, 09:56:25 PM
Ohio Northern 78  Marietta 73
John Carroll 102  Heidelberg 93  2OT
Wilmington 67  Capital 51


With that Mt. Union is in first place by themselves and travel to ONU Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BogeyMan on January 09, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Noticed Marietta did not play their top three scorers against ONU.  Wonder what happened?????
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 10, 2014, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on January 09, 2014, 01:24:01 PM
Noticed Marietta did not play their top three scorers against ONU.  Wonder what happened?????

Good eye, hadn't noticed that.  All 3 are still on the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 10, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Its potentially a shake-out weekend among the contenders in the OAC.

Current standings

Mt. Union      4-0
Marietta        4-1
Wilmington   4-1
BW               3-2
John Carroll  3-2
Ohio. No.      3-2

John Carroll at Wilmington
Baldwin-Wallace at Marietta
Mt. Union at Ohio Northern

3 or 4 other top match-ups among these teams again next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 11, 2014, 08:48:54 PM
Mount wins their 8th straight in Ada today. 10-2, 5-0 and still alone in 1st for now.  I was excited about the possible resurgence of hoops at Mount when they hired Fuline and he certainly seems to have the program moving up. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 11, 2014, 09:38:37 PM
today's results lead to these standings

Mt. Union 5-0
Marietta   5-1
Wilmington  5-1


What a big week for Mt. Union next week as they host Marietta on Wed. and host Wilmington on Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 15, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
Mount hits a FT w 0.8 seconds left to beat Etta 73-72.  Raiders are 11-2, 6-0.  I thought they needed at worst a split between Etta and Wilm this week.  With both at home they surely were looking to sweep though. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 15, 2014, 09:59:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 15, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
Mount hits a FT w 0.8 seconds left to beat Etta 73-72.  Raiders are 11-2, 6-0.  I thought they needed at worst a split between Etta and Wilm this week.  With both at home they surely were looking to sweep though.

Probably time to start considering Mt. Union for some Top 25 votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 15, 2014, 11:49:28 PM
John Carroll 71  Bald Wally 69
http://d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/box_scores/20140115_4lwn.xml

BW misses one at the buzzer to tie.  With that, BW has 4 conference losses already.

Mt Union can open a 2 game lead with a win over Wilmington Saturday and Marietta plays at JCU. 

Mt. Union     6-0
Wilmington   5-1
Marietta        5-2
JCU               4-3
Capital          3-3             
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2014, 07:49:36 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 15, 2014, 09:59:21 PM
Probably time to start considering Mt. Union for some Top 25 votes.

If they beat Wilm Saturday I think they'll get some votes.  I'm guessing it's been 15 years since that's happened.

Also happy to see they had 2354 in attendance last night. That's a huge crowd for Mount.  I saw Cecil Shorts tweeting that he was going and they needed the students to go too.  Definitely some good buzz on campus and that's fun to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 18, 2014, 03:54:16 PM
Mount leads Wilm 44-41 at half.  Half of runs by both teams. Both teams shooting well too.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 18, 2014, 04:56:20 PM
93-80 final from Alliance.  Mount passes a big test this week taking care of business at home. 12-2, 7-0 now.  Enjoyed the video feed w/ the 1310 audio on it.  Much nicer than live stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 18, 2014, 05:06:10 PM
I enjoyed it to, watched most of the second half.  Mount's a very good looking team

Mt. Union      7-0
Marietta        6-2
Wilmington   5-2

really down to a 3 team race as JCU and Capital take their 4th losses.  Mount has some very tough road games remaining.  @ JCU, @ Capital, @ B-W, @ Marietta, @ Wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2014, 08:59:35 AM
They definitely have some talent now. Dillon is a nice player. And Gillespie deserves credit for stepping up his senior year. His 13 ppg/4.4 apg/53%/44%/81% at the point is a big key for them. He's done a great job.  Their issue will be 1) if Ruffin gets in foul trouble, 2) they go cold from 3.  They have no post scoring to speak of except Ruffin.  Hopefully Stevie Griffin returning gives them some diversity with scoring avenues. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on January 19, 2014, 07:04:58 PM
Better be seeing Mount Union about 18 in the Top 25 given the week and wins they had
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2014, 08:38:07 PM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 19, 2014, 07:04:58 PM
Better be seeing Mount Union about 18 in the Top 25 given the week and wins they had

Welcome to basketball relevance. You're asking a bit much but Mount Union will definitely have votes, and I would think more votes than Marietta. That likely will not be enough to get into the Top 25, however, let alone the Top 20.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 20, 2014, 10:02:41 AM
I think they'll definitely get votes.  I would be shocked if they cracked the top 25.  That's a lot to ask going from 0 votes to top 25 for a program that hasn't been a top 25 caliber team since I was watching Aaron Shipp fill it up (FYI, he's almost 40 now).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 20, 2014, 09:25:13 PM
Mt. Union nearly cracked the Top 25 this week, and then wham! Capital reminded them that this is not football, 88-70.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2014, 08:05:42 AM
That's a bad loss. I've been to Cap a couple times this year.  No one is mistaking that for a good Crusaders team.  They're very average this year.  It's tough to win conference road games though.  Mount barely won in Tiffin.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 21, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: sac on January 18, 2014, 05:06:10 PM
  Mount has some very tough road games remaining.  @ JCU, @ Capital, @ B-W, @ Marietta, @ Wilmington

long way to go yet
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 23, 2014, 03:28:17 PM
Marietta's Andy Dollman dislocated his elbow last night in the first half vs. Capital.  Don't know how long he will be out, but it is a big blow to the Pioneer lineup who is now without Hammons and Dollman for a few games.

Other guys are going to have to step up. 

Trip to Wilmington on Saturday for the Pioneers.  Need a road win badly to stay in the hunt.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2014, 04:50:46 PM
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- #25 Dubuque MBB coach Robbie Sieverding

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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 27, 2014, 01:00:25 PM
The Berg/Mount game has been ppd for the 3rd straight day today this time with no make up date named.  The Raiders have the Wed/Sat OAC two-step until 2/22/14 so who knows where it's going to get dropped in.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 29, 2014, 10:32:21 PM
OAC pre-season favorite Baldwin Wallace picked up conference loss #6 tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 30, 2014, 08:02:25 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

If they win Saturday they'll be back to getting votes again I'm sure.  The road win at JCU helps. What doesn't help is that the OAC is down as a whole.  I'll say it again...I think they're a year ahead of schedule. I expected them to be very competitive this year building for a good shot at the OAC title next year when that first class will be seniors.  Fuline is doing a great job.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2014, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

I could see not being able to see ahead but then not posting about it for a week afterwards, that's a little odd in and of itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 30, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

I've watched a couple Mt. Union games, they look every bit as good or better than the Marietta team that's been getting votes for several consecutive polls now.

Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 30, 2014, 08:02:25 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

If they win Saturday they'll be back to getting votes again I'm sure.  The road win at JCU helps. What doesn't help is that the OAC is down as a whole. I'll say it again...I think they're a year ahead of schedule. I expected them to be very competitive this year building for a good shot at the OAC title next year when that first class will be seniors.  Fuline is doing a great job.

I strongly disagree with that statement.

The OAC went 33-37 out of conference last year, this year the league went 40-29.  OAC cannibalism and a strong NCAC probably won't get them two teams in the tournament but I think the OAC is decidedly better than a year ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 30, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: sac on January 30, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

I've watched a couple Mt. Union games, they look every bit as good or better than the Marietta team that's been getting votes for several consecutive polls now.

Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 30, 2014, 08:02:25 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

If they win Saturday they'll be back to getting votes again I'm sure.  The road win at JCU helps. What doesn't help is that the OAC is down as a whole. I'll say it again...I think they're a year ahead of schedule. I expected them to be very competitive this year building for a good shot at the OAC title next year when that first class will be seniors.  Fuline is doing a great job.

I strongly disagree with that statement.

The OAC went 33-37 out of conference last year, this year the league went 40-29.  OAC cannibalism and a strong NCAC probably won't get them two teams in the tournament but I think the OAC is decidedly better than a year ago.

I completely agree that the OAC is stronger as a whole this year. Massey also has the OAC as the 4th best conference in Division 3. Every night seems to be a grind in the conference and anyone can beat anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 31, 2014, 11:04:41 AM
I should have clarified, when I said the OAC was down what I meant was that the top teams aren't as good as top teams in years past.  The conference is certainly better top to bottom than last year.  I've seen more than half the conference play so far this year and it's definitely very competitive.  A team like Berg has a poor record, but they are not a bad basketball team from what I saw.  I didn't see much difference between them and, say, Cap.  I haven't seen Musky this year, but all the teams I've seen have been pretty solid.  No nights off in the OAC right now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on January 31, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
So,,,Mount doesn't get votes because they were never good before?? I coached against Coach Fuline in HS,,,,,get used to Mount Union being ranked

BTW-The bottom teams in the OAC are no where near as weak as the bottom feeders in the NCAC,, leading one to wonder of about the strength of the four on the top
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 31, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Denison 87 Capital  82
Kenyon 93  Otterbein 73
Muskingum 82  Kenyon 80
Muskingum 84  Oberlin 74

The bottom half of the NCAC really hasn't played many games against the OAC.  Its split 2-2

Wooster 76  Baldwin Wallace 71
Wooster 81  Marietta 78
Wittenberg 79  Capital 55
Wittenberg 97  Otterbein 77
Ohio Wesleyan 90  Capital 73
Ohio Wesleayn 79  Marietta 74

There really can be no disputing the NCAC's top 4 teams success against their OAC opponents.   Three of these were close games that probably could have gone either way.  DePauw didn't play anyone from the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 31, 2014, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 31, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
So,,,Mount doesn't get votes because they were never good before?? I coached against Coach Fuline in HS,,,,,get used to Mount Union being ranked

I'm a huge Fuline fan.  I think they're going to be good as long as he is there.  The question when a successful HS coach moves to college is recruiting.  Fuline can flat out recruit.  The depth already on the roster shows that.  Plus thanks to his time coaching in Portage/Stark counties and his family coaching ties to Youngstown he has great inroads basically in all directions within an hour of Alliance.  If they end up a top 25 team at the end of the year then that just adds ammo to his recruiting.  He got good players when they were losing.  What can he get when they're winning?  I'm pumped to find out. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 30, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

I've watched a couple Mt. Union games, they look every bit as good or better than the Marietta team that's been getting votes for several consecutive polls now.

They do seem pretty comparable. Mount Union won by a point at home when they got to go to the line with .8 seconds left on a bail-out foul call. (Review for yourself, around the 3:10:00 mark: https://www.boxcast.com/show/#/men-s-basketball-marietta-at-mount-union) On a neutral floor, it's reasonable to think Marietta is better but the rematch doesn't come for a few weeks yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 01, 2014, 05:00:37 PM
Marietta scores the last 8 points of the game to beat ONU 76-71,  Mt. Union hold off Capital and wins by 6.  Wilmington wins by 14

Everything stays the same at the top of the OAC.


Mt. Union has to travel to Baldwin Wallace next Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 05, 2014, 02:34:53 PM
Marietta vs. Muskingum postponed to Thursday, and host Heidleberg on Saturday. 

Andy Dollman should be back in the lineup when the Pioneers host Mount Union.

Marietta had a rough game against Northern.  They took a lot of bad and forced shots for the first three fourths of the game.  They started settling in and playing together. 

It should be a fun finish to league play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 05, 2014, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 05, 2014, 02:34:53 PM
Marietta vs. Muskingum postponed to Thursday, and host Heidleberg on Saturday. 

Andy Dollman should be back in the lineup when the Pioneers host Mount Union.

Marietta had a rough game against Northern.  They took a lot of bad and forced shots for the first three fourths of the game.  They started settling in and playing together. 

It should be a fun finish to league play.

Glad to hear Andy will be back, hadn't heard anything about him. We'll need him down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 05, 2014, 11:50:12 PM
Mount wins a 104-98 track meet in Berea. Ruffin was big with 21, 7 and 6 blocks.  A couple freshmen (Jackson and Griffin) each went 5-5 from the floor including multiple 3's.  But Krawkowiak was the story drilling 9-12 from deep. Didn't see Payne's name in the box score for BW.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 08, 2014, 10:09:03 AM
say Dr. that looks like it was a old fashioned game there where players could actually shoot. Will be catching mt. tonight at Otterbein, it will be interesting to see if the hot shooting keeps up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Spence on February 08, 2014, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2014, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 30, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on January 29, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Sorry that I could not see 4 days ahead to a explainable loss to Capital, but the team is in first and handled JCU easily tonight. I'll accept no ranking but no votes,,,that's a little odd

I've watched a couple Mt. Union games, they look every bit as good or better than the Marietta team that's been getting votes for several consecutive polls now.

They do seem pretty comparable. Mount Union won by a point at home when they got to go to the line with .8 seconds left on a bail-out foul call. (Review for yourself, around the 3:10:00 mark: https://www.boxcast.com/show/#/men-s-basketball-marietta-at-mount-union) On a neutral floor, it's reasonable to think Marietta is better but the rematch doesn't come for a few weeks yet.

Goodness what could the ref have been thinking there. Guy flings it over his head going perpendicular (or almost) to the basket and gets the call.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 08, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
Baldwin Wallace 65  Wilmington 61

Wilmington with 4 conference losses now and lose the tie-breaker with Marietta.  Unlikely to be any better than a 3 seed in the tournament.

Pretty much down to Mt. Union and Marietta for the Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 08, 2014, 10:24:31 PM
that mt.-Otterbein game was one of the ugliest games I have seen in a long time. Thought I was watching a muskie-card game for a time before I realized it was the raiders out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 09, 2014, 08:38:57 AM
I watched most of it and agree 100%.  Ott is just not very good and Mount didn't look like a 17-3 team last night.  Their D was terrible for stretches. Ott was getting to the hoop far too easily with the help always being late (hence the Cards shooting damn near 40 FTs). 

Offensively Mount plays that up tempo pace where they hustle the ball up the floor, make a pass or two and trigger the first open 3 they get.  They were 7-16 from deep something like 13 min into the first half. That's a lot of 3's.  Every guy that sees the floor except Darnley and Sherman can shoot the 3 (even Ruffin) so it's just playing to the roster's strength I suppose.

The bottom line is that Fuline has drastically upgraded the talent there. They go 10 deep now and they can play.  Like anyone else they have stuff to work on for sure.  Overall there's still a lot to be excited about. Throw in wrestling being ranked in the top 10 and track being #2 and it's a helluva winter in Alliance right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 09, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
congrats to mt. on the fine success of the programs this year. It is also too bad more schools don't have wrestling programs down here in central ohio. Quite a few schools picking up lacroose now(4 new this year to go along with quite a few including mt. last year) so who knows with any luck maybe some others will pick up wrestling also.Too bad the Mt. track and field team wasn't at Denison yesterday. They had quite a meet at their redone athletic center yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 09, 2014, 10:39:14 PM
Denison has really nice facilities. Unfortunately Mount was hosting an invitational also so they couldn't go.  They'll be down here next weekend for the All-Ohio meet at Ott. Not quite the same as that shiny new joint in Granville though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 10, 2014, 06:23:27 AM
no doubt about it Denison has one of the best places now, not quite Kenyon(especially the pool) but pretty close. Now if you want to see a first class basketball facility you should see Mt. Vernon Nazarene's new gym. That is the nicest small college gym I have been in. Perfect example of going from the outhouse to the penthouse(just like Akron football).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 10, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
Are you trying to say the Rubber Bowl wasn't beautiful??  Haha.  Who doesn't love the lights in FRONT of the bleachers?!

Also, Mount coasted past Berg 87-68 in the make up of that snow game earlier.  They were up 12 or 14 at half if I remember right.  Raiders drilled 18 triples overall.  Dillon was feeling it from 3 tonight (7-9).   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 11, 2014, 04:22:25 PM
let's just say the rubber bowl was a unique experience for anyone who has the pleasure of watching a game there. The new stadium on campus though is all you can ask for , fantastic place. Good to hear the threes were dropping. Maybe we can chalk it up to that old gym in Westerville for Saturday nights game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 12, 2014, 10:07:56 PM
Capital flattens Marietta, 75-55. Mount steamrolls Muskingum, 113-77.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 13, 2014, 12:18:35 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 12, 2014, 10:07:56 PM
Capital flattens Marietta, 75-55. Mount steamrolls Muskingum, 113-77.

What you want in any league is for the final few games to decide the title and seedings.  The OAC almost hit a home run in that aspect.

Mt. Union:
Two game lead with 3 to play, remaining 3 games against current #4, #3, #2 in the standings.
Ohio Northern
at Marietta
at Wilmington

Marietta:
Two games back of Mt. Union tied with Wilmington for 2nd, hold tie-breaker over Wilmington
at Baldwin Wallace
Mt. Union
John Carroll

Wilmington:
Three games back of Mt. Union one back of Marietta but do not hold tie-breaker with them, 3 game lead on Ohio Northern
at John Carroll
Ohio Northern
at Mt. Union
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2014, 08:23:30 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 12, 2014, 10:07:56 PM
Capital flattens Marietta, 75-55. Mount steamrolls Muskingum, 113-77.

Mount broke the OAC record with 23 made 3 pointers.  12 different guys made a 3.  Looking at the box score I also couldn't help but notice no one had more than 7 FG attempts. The benefits of a big lead I suppose.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: joelmama on February 13, 2014, 03:16:47 PM
So far this week in the top 25 numbers 21, 23, 25 have all lost.  If Mount can win this weekend I suspect they may crack the top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on February 13, 2014, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: joelmama on February 13, 2014, 03:16:47 PM
So far this week in the top 25 numbers 21, 23, 25 have all lost.  If Mount can win this weekend I suspect they may crack the top 25.

So far,,logic has not applied
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2014, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: joelmama on February 13, 2014, 03:16:47 PM
So far this week in the top 25 numbers 21, 23, 25 have all lost.  If Mount can win this weekend I suspect they may crack the top 25.

Considering the carnage lately in the nether reaches of the Top 25, are you sure you want Mount to be ranked?! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2014, 08:03:08 PM
I don't get hung up on being ranked.  There are how many D3 hoops teams...350?  400?  Whatever it is there are a ton.  It's hard to crack that club when you're good once every 20 years and you haven't beaten a ranked team.  They started completely off the voters' radar.  Then even when they're winning they've undoubtedly been stuck in "prove it to me again" mode for many voters.  Keep winning and it'll take care of itself eventually.  I'm much more concerned about hosting the OAC tourney than ever being ranked.  They need that home court advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on February 14, 2014, 09:53:51 PM
 Having been in the same league with Coach Fuline several years back, he is turning up the heat and letting his horses run. Tomorrow may prove to be aclinic
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2014, 08:13:45 AM
They are fun to watch that's for sure. 2nd in the nation in 3's made per game at 12.2 (behind only the circus act at Grinnell who attempt an incredible 56 3's per game!), 8th in scoring at 87.4 ppg.  Literally everyone except Darnley bombing away from deep at will.  I have to imagine the kids love it too.

20 win season, clinch a share of the OAC and finish the regular season perfect at home...could be a great day in Alliance.  Hope they get a nice crowd at the MAAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2014, 03:42:52 PM
This game is absolutely painful to listen to.  There's a foul or jump ball every other possession.  Zero flow.  32-27 Mount after ONU was up 19-9 early.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2014, 04:20:16 PM
Foul.  Foul.  Foul.  Both teams are going to be in the bonus before the midway point of the 2nd half at this pace.  ONU was in the 1-and-1 at like the 12 min mark.  And as I type this ONU gets called for a foul boxing out on a FT.  These officials need to swallow their whistles for crying out loud.  I'm sure there's contact, but you CAN'T call everything or you get this kind of garbage. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on February 15, 2014, 04:28:56 PM
Playing a very tight game and officials don't excuse anything. Fuline making 3-4 player sub moves and the Bears are very tired
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on February 15, 2014, 04:36:10 PM
5:35 and ONU makes a run to pull within 2. Mount have the fresher horses. 45 free throws in this game
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 15, 2014, 04:41:35 PM
Marietta 91  Baldwin Wallace 80

Closer game most of the way, this was about the maximum lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on February 15, 2014, 04:53:03 PM
Mount loses a 55 free throw nightmare 90-85. Officals totally disallowed any momentum in this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2014, 04:58:24 PM
Mounts boots the ball out of bounds on a pump fake and doesn't get a shot off down 3.  ONU hits the FTs w/ a second left and wins 90-85.  Mount was killed by a couple of 0-2 trips to the line in the closing minute or so combined with their inability to get a stop defensively (Northern scored 5 straight possessions down the stretch).  Brutal game to listen to thanks to the truck load of fouls on both teams.  It literally seemed like their was a foul every trip down the floor.  I think both coaches would say that was a very poorly officiated game.  Time to regroup for Etta Wednesday.

p.s.  The big silver lining to me was Jeff Foreman.  He played really well getting to the hoop and then nailed two BIG 3's late in the game.  Nice to see the freshman stepping up at PG with the second unit.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2014, 05:01:30 PM
Did you go to the game RoyalPurple?  Just wondering what kind of crowd they got if you did. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on February 15, 2014, 06:38:06 PM
Watched on line so Only can speak about the Home crows across the court which was quick large,,,much like women's crowds in past years
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 15, 2014, 06:40:05 PM
Boxscore says 823
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 16, 2014, 06:30:22 PM
well Dr. I guess I shouldn't be so hard on Mt. about the Otterbein game after watching cap and Otterbein yesterday. The cards are like the muskies , it is hard for anyone too look good against them when they play that way. Hard to believe that was the same cap team yesterday that beat Marietta by 20 Wednesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 16, 2014, 06:57:21 PM
An interesting thought crossed my mind last night. Let's say that Marietta defeats Mount Union on Wednesday night and then both teams win Saturday in the league finale. Both teams finish 15-3. Tiebreaker for seeding is their record against the next best team in the standings and continue on from there until the tie is broken. Both teams would have a loss to each other, a loss to Ohio Northern, and a loss to Capital. They would have to flip a coin for the #1 seed. I don't remember that happening before.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 17, 2014, 09:28:03 AM
Marietta played pretty well on Saturday at BW.  Krakowiak never really got it going and Payne was limited, somewhat.   Marietta had balance with six guys in double figures. 

Andy Dollman's return, though limited in minutes, is also significant for the Pioneers as they head into the final two games.

Wednesday's game sets up nicely.  Mount won at home against the Pios by a point.  This will be a fun one. 

MOunt has a tough game at Wilmington on Saturday, and Marieta hosts JCU.

Going to be an interesting finish!

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 17, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
say etta fan do you know how the baseball team is going to look this year and will it be another great year for the etta express?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 17, 2014, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 17, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
say etta fan do you know how the baseball team is going to look this year and will it be another great year for the etta express?

There's an app for that. (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?board=1514.0)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 17, 2014, 03:15:33 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 17, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
say etta fan do you know how the baseball team is going to look this year and will it be another great year for the etta express?

Young.  Very young.

The pitching staff is all freshman and sophomores, save for one Junior reliever.  One of the sophomores (Byers) is very good (All OAC/potentially all region type). 

They must replace their catcher (who was arguably the best defensive catcher in D3 the last two years), third baseman, and two outfielders and Utility guy Brockmeier (1b, ss, P) 

They have some good kids returning and are led by the best coach in D3.  I think they will be a much better team at season's end than they are when they head to florida!  The league is also very good this year, and that will be a factor in how they finish. 

So...Long and short of it is, they are perhaps in a bit of "rebuilding" mode this year.  IF the pitching staff develops, they should be in the thick of the OAC race in May. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 17, 2014, 03:47:35 PM
Down the stretch they come....

BIg matchup on Wednesday between Marietta and Mount Union at Ban Johnson Field House. 

Currently...
1.  Mount Union - @ Marietta and @ Wilmington with a one game lead on #2 Marietta.  Tough slate.  Beat Marietta, clinch the top spot. 
2.  Marietta - Mount and JCU - with a one game lead and a sweep over #3 Wilmington.  Win two and there is a chance for the top spot, split and get the #2 seed   
3.  Wilmington - ONU and Mount.  Wilmington has a two game lead on ONU, an a win over the Polar Bears earlier in the year.  Split to clinch the #3 seed.
4.  Ohio Northern - @Wilmington and Capital.  Two game lead on the pack fighting for 5.  Must win two to have a shot at the #3 seed, lose two and there is potential for chaos in the middle of the bracket (possible 4 way tie)
5.  JCU - BW- CAP   JCU has Ott and @Mar, BW has @Berg and @Musk,  Cap has @Musk and @ ONU.  One would think BW has the best chance of winning two (and grabbing the 5th seed) and JCU and Cap have "split" situations for their last two.
8.  Otterbein, with a one game lead on the other two, win one and eliminate the others,
9.  Musk and Berg

Prediction time:

JCU and Cap split their final two series, JCU gets the 6 seed based on the head to head, cap the 7.  BW sweeps and gets the 5.  Marietta splits at worst (hoping for a sweep but mount will be very tough), and ends up 2.  Wilmington splis and gets the 3, and Northern splits their last two for the 4. 

Top of bracket:  8 OTT @ 5 BW, winner @ 4 ONU, winner @ 1 Mount Union
Bottom of Bracket:  7 Cap @ 6 JCU, winner @ 3 WILM, winner @ 2 Marietta.


 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 19, 2014, 03:24:36 PM
looking forward too a great year for baseball in the OAC. I think you have the best coach in college baseball, no matter what division you are talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 19, 2014, 09:24:12 PM
Mt. Union 81  Marietta 77

Couldn't watch all of it, but it sure seemed like a great D3 game and atmosphere.  MtU clinches their first outright OAC Championship since 1997.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 19, 2014, 09:53:52 PM
Game went back and forth but Mount took control of things with about 5 minutes left on the clock and was able to keep Marietta at bay the rest of the way. I think Mount is just slightly better than Marietta at this point. Marietta allowed way to many second chances off offensive rebounds and struggled a bit from the line tonight. Mount really can shoot the 3, and there are several guys on that roster that can do it too.

As much as I'd love to see these two square off again next Saturday, Ohio Northern really is making a strong push to throw their name into the ring as they went down to Wilmington tonight and won. Top 4 teams in this conference all have a strong case as to why they could win this tournament. Should be a fun one next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2014, 01:46:57 AM
Shooting the 3 is really Mount's strength.  It's also why I'm fearful of tournament play.

Congrats to the Raiders on their first OAC title since the great Aaron Shipp, Endsley and the Big Red Machine.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 20, 2014, 08:13:33 AM
Congrats to the Raider hoops team. 

As a Pioneer fan I can't help but think this game was gift wrapped and handed to Mount Union, and at times, seemed like the Raiders just didn't want to take it.

Consider:

Marietta in the first half was 10-11 from the line.  In the second half was 15-26!
Marietta in the first half was 14-30 from the floor, and 5-12 from three.  In the second half they were 8-29 (27.6%) from the floor, and 3-17 from behind the arc.  Plenty of missed layups to go with it.

In spite of all of that Mount Union let them hang around and then all but wanted to hand it back to the Pioneers at the end (fouling shooters on two 'not very good' three point attempts giving Marietta the chance to score six points with the clock stoped and possibly cut the lead to one!--Marietta unfortunately went 5-6 on those free throws). 

Don't get me wrong, Mount Union did what they had to do, and came up big wit big shots and big posessions (the 5 point trip late in the second half was a real difference maker as Mount's big guy missed the free throw on an "and one" and Jucabec drilled a dagger three off of the offensive rebound). 

As a Pioneer fan, it was a very frustrating loss that feels like it should have been a win.  Yes this is post game sour grapes, and it should be noted that I think both teams played their tails off to get this win.  In the end, Mount Union hit shots when it needed to, and the Pioneers did not.  Congrats to them on their hard fought win.





Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2014, 09:09:03 AM
I was just looking at the box score...I didn't realize RaNeal Ewing transferred to Etta.  Poor Ott just can't catch a break.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on February 22, 2014, 12:19:12 AM
All I will say to EtteFan1 is look at the comparative stats because Mount lead in almost every stat but turnovers. Please voters, this week can we get Wittenburg and OWU out of the top 25 and even the top 35. One would think the NCAC was a higher ranked conference than the OAC,,,NOY
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 22, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on February 22, 2014, 12:19:12 AM
All I will say to EtteFan1 is look at the comparative stats because Mount lead in almost every stat but turnovers. Please voters, this week can we get Wittenburg and OWU out of the top 25 and even the top 35. One would think the NCAC was a higher ranked conference than the OAC,,,NOY
[/b]

Actually, the NCAC is the better conference this season and the facts support that point:

NCAC teams had 8 wins and only 3 losses this season vs. OAC squads. :o

Your Purple Raiders lost to Capital.....and that same Cap team went 0-3 vs. the NCAC losing to Witt, OWU and Denison

Wooster, Witt and OWU all went 2-0 vs OAC teams this season.  Why didn't Mount Union schedule some strong NCAC teams?  ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 22, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
OAC Tournament seeding guide

Today's games, in order of importance
Capital at Ohio Northern
Mt. Union at Wilmington
John Carroll at Marietta
Heidelberg at Otterbein
Baldwin Wallace at Muskingum



#1 Mt. Union --has wrapped up the #1 seed
#2 Marietta--holds tie-breakers over  Wilmington

#3 Wilmington if they win or Ohio Northern loses
     Ohio Northern if they win and Wilmington loses,  win tie-breaker with a win over Mt.U

#4 Ohio Northern if they lose
     Wilmington if they lose and Ohio Northern wins

#5, #6, #7   Hoo boy,

       Three way tie between John Carroll, Baldwin Wallace, Capital
                #5  John Carroll  3-1 vs other two
                #6  Baldwin Wallace
                #7  Capital  1-3 vs other two

      JCU/BW win, Capital loses
                #5  John Carroll by win over Marietta(today)
                #6  Baldwin Wallace
                #7  Capital

     JCU/Capital win, BW loses
                #5  John Carroll by two wins over Capital
                #6  Capital
                #7  Baldwin Wallace

     BW/Capital win,  JCU loses
                #5  Capital by win over Mt. Union
                #6  Baldwin Wallace
                #7  John Carroll

     JCU win, Capital/BW loses
               #5  John Carroll
               #6  Capital by win over Mt. Union
               #7  Baldwin Wallace

     Capital win,  JCU/BW loses
               #5  Capital
               #6  Baldwin Wallace
               #7  John Carroll

     Baldwin Wallace wins,  JCU/Capital loses
               #5  Baldwin Wallace
               #6  John Carroll
               #7  Capital

#8   Otterbein  with win

      Three way tie between Otterbein, Muskingum, Heidelberg
                #8  Otterbein with 3-1 record vs the other two

       Heidelberg/Otterbein tie........or if H'berg beat Ott today and Muskin loses
                #8  Heidelberg by win over Ohio Northern

       Otterbein/Muskingum tie  cannot happen
               


Grand take away is that both Mt. Union and Marietta would be happy to avoid Ohio Northern in the semi-finals since both split their season series with the Polar Bears.  Otterbein become huge Muskingum fans if they lose to Heidelberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 22, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: RoyalPurple on February 22, 2014, 12:19:12 AM
All I will say to EtteFan1 is look at the comparative stats because Mount lead in almost every stat but turnovers. Please voters, this week can we get Wittenburg and OWU out of the top 25 and even the top 35. One would think the NCAC was a higher ranked conference than the OAC,,,NOY
[/b]

Actually, the NCAC is the better conference this season and the facts support that point:

NCAC teams had 8 wins and only 3 losses this season vs. OAC squads. :o

Your Purple Raiders lost to Capital.....and that same Cap team went 0-3 vs. the NCAC losing to Witt, OWU and Denison

Wooster, Witt and OWU all went 2-0 vs OAC teams this season.  Why didn't Mount Union schedule some strong NCAC teams?  ::)

Massey actually has the OAC and NCAC as the 4th and 5th best-rated conferences in DIII right now, which is basically a push.

As WSF notes, in actual head-to-head play this year, the NCAC has come out on top - especially the NCAC top teams (that 6-0 record vs. the OAC includes Wooster and OWU's wins over Marietta, which were Marietta's only non-conference losses).

I'd say the top of the NCAC has a slight edge on the top of the OAC. We'd know with more confidence if Mount Union had played any NCAC teams (though there is still a chance for that...). But the OAC has more depth, with 7 teams at .500 or better overall vs. 5 in NCAC, so they have the edge among "decent, not great" teams. I'd say the bottom three teams in each (Oberlin, Hiram, 'Gheny and Otterbein, Musky and 'Berg) are basically equally bad.

So the NCAC gets the edge in the 11 matchups that have happened, but if the conferences staged a round-robin? I'd call it pretty even.


That said, my official position is that Mount Union should be getting much more serious consideration by the Top 25 voters.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 23, 2014, 01:53:15 AM
Quote from: sac on February 22, 2014, 01:04:39 PM

#8   Otterbein  with win

      Three way tie between Otterbein, Muskingum, Heidelberg
                #8  Otterbein with 3-1 record vs the other two


       Heidelberg/Otterbein tie........or if H'berg beat Ott today and Muskin loses
                #8  Heidelberg by win over Ohio Northern

       Otterbein/Muskingum tie  cannot happen
               

  Otterbein become huge Muskingum fans if they lose to Heidelberg.

Heidelberg 82 Otterbein 80 OT
Muskingum 70  Baldwin Wallace 63
.......creates 3 way tie for 8th place at 3-15

What a strange scenario.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 23, 2014, 01:54:01 AM
1st Round - Monday, Feb. 24

    No. 8 Otterbein (3-15) at No. 5 John Carroll  (9-9) -7:30

    No. 7 Capital (9-9) at No. 6 Baldwin Wallace (9-9)-7:30

2nd Round - Tuesday, Feb. 25

    No. 6/7 at #3 Wilmington (13-5)-7:30

    No. 8/5 at #4 Ohio Northern 8:00

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 27

     No. 6/7/3 bracket at #2 Marietta (14-4)-7:30

    No. 8/5/4 bracket at #1 Mount Union (15-3)-7:30
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 23, 2014, 03:05:33 PM
oh man, when will I ever learn? After watching Otterbein put up a good fight against Ohio Wesleyan in Lacrosse yesterday I was in a mood to watch basketball in the worst way. Well go to watch the cards play the student princes and that is what you get.That was about as bad as you can get last night. To make it worse they went to overtime and extended the misery. I don't think Otterbein ever did figure out the half court and inbounds traps Heidelberg was throwing at them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2014, 03:29:55 PM
The thing that shocked me the couple times I've ventured over to the Rike Center is the talent level at Ott right now.  They just don't have a lot of quality.  Bischoff is a nice player and is only going to get better the next 2 yrs.  He was good player on a very good team in HS so that was a nice get for them.  But beyond him I just didn't see a ton there.  RaNeal Ewing was a big loss when he transferred to Etta.  He's a solid player that could definitely help the Cards.  But even with him they'd still be painfully thin on talent currently.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 23, 2014, 04:58:05 PM
it seems that dick Reynolds is still the scapegoat and it is a shame. Yes the basketball program slipped in the last few years but a lot of good things happened during that time also. The new football stadium which is one of the finer d3 facilities in the country. Also the first to start a Lacrosse program in the OAC. Now it seems everyone is jumping to add the sort as quickly as possible. Sooner or later his recruits will all be gone and then someone else's head will be on the chopping block. Got to give this coach a chance though,(of course it looked like the browns were going to fire their coach before he even coached a practice) rebuilding a d3 program is a whole different animal then d1.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 24, 2014, 09:32:55 PM
Baldwin Wallace 78  Capital 68
John Carroll  95  Otterbein 74

quick turnaround for tomorrow's games

#6 Baldwin Wallace at #3 Wilmington
#5 John Carroll at #4 Ohio Northern

BW and Wilmington split this year with each winning on the others floor
ONU and JCU split with both winning at home

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 24, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
I think Ohio Northern wins with ease tomorrow, but I could see B-W giving Wilmington a big fight tomorrow. We shall see. As I Marietta fan,  there should be a minimum of 3 overtimes tomorrow night in Wilmington.  8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 25, 2014, 09:13:14 PM
Wilmington 65  Baldwin Wallace 58

7 points might have been the biggest margin by either team.  End to a season of high expectations not met for BW.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 25, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
John Carroll 92 Ohio Northern  81

JCU led just about the whole way.

Semi'finals set

Wilmington at Marietta
John Carroll at Mt. Union

MtU beat JCU twice by 13
Marietta beat Wilmington twice, once by 20+, once by 2
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2014, 09:05:15 PM
Mount is definitely not playing their best ball again tonight.  Shooting poorly from deep, bad defense and now turning it over 3 straight possessions leading to 2 lay ups for JCU.  Still lead 72-69 with 4+ min to go, but they need to tighten things up down the stretch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 27, 2014, 09:30:36 PM
JCU 83  Mt. Union 81

Mt. Union almost stole this one after falling behind.  Forced two back-court turnovers with under a minute to play.  Mt. ended up at the line with 1.8 and a chance to tie but failed to convert.


Losing in the semi-finals of your tournament is usually the end of your season.  Mount will have to wait out the invisible ratings on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 09:36:13 PM
Depends on the conference... the OAC... probably true.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2014, 09:38:45 PM
JCU wins 83-81.  Mount went to the line for 2 FT with 2 seconds left, but failed to tie it missing the first and intentionally missing the 2nd.  The Raiders were 0-7 on 3's in the final 4 minutes including several wide open looks.  Picked a bad time to shoot 27% from deep (39% overall).  Good job by Carroll who took advantage of the Mount D most of the night shooting 50% from the floor, 42% from 3. 

Fun season for the Raiders overall.  I really enjoyed it and I'm excited for next year to see how much they can improve again with basically everyone back again.  If Ruffin continues to develop he could be scary good.  And Foreman and Jackson both look like players at the guard spot.  Future is definitely bright. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2014, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: sac on February 27, 2014, 09:30:36 PM
JCU 83  Mt. Union 81

Mt. Union almost stole this one after falling behind.  Forced two back-court turnovers with under a minute to play.  Mt. ended up at the line with 1.8 and a chance to tie but failed to convert.


Losing in the semi-finals of your tournament is usually the end of your season.  Mount will have to wait out the invisible ratings on Sunday.

They've lost 3 of their last 4, bowed out in the semis and don't really have a signature win.  I just assumed their season was over.  But I also don't know the selection criteria very well.  Not something we usually worried about in Alliance!   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 27, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2014, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: sac on February 27, 2014, 09:30:36 PM
JCU 83  Mt. Union 81

Mt. Union almost stole this one after falling behind.  Forced two back-court turnovers with under a minute to play.  Mt. ended up at the line with 1.8 and a chance to tie but failed to convert.


Losing in the semi-finals of your tournament is usually the end of your season.  Mount will have to wait out the invisible ratings on Sunday.

They've lost 3 of their last 4, bowed out in the semis and don't really have a signature win.  I just assumed their season was over.  But I also don't know the selection criteria very well.  Not something we usually worried about in Alliance!   

They were behind Bethany coming in, I would hope they move ahead of them based on Bethany's terrible loss to a #9 seed in their tournament.

The key for Mt. is where they align with the NCAC semi-final losers and who those losers are.  Might be too much for them to be ranked ahead of OWU or Witt/DPW.


This really puts the winner of Witt/DePauw in great shape to get a bid as long as Wooster wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 27, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
Wilmington with two quick shots with a minute to play leading and then fail to even get off a game winning shot on the games final possession

Heading to OT in Marietta tied at 73
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wmrt-fm-marietta-college-sports#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=12053840&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 27, 2014, 10:22:57 PM
Wilmington 91  Marietta 82  OT

Wilmington hit 3 big 3's and walk away with the win in OT. 

John Carroll at Wilmington for the OAC Tournament title on Saturday.  Wilmington beat JCU twice this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 01, 2014, 09:43:16 PM
Wilmington takes the brass ring, 69-63 over JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: HOPEful on March 07, 2014, 10:48:42 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 01, 2014, 09:43:16 PM
Wilmington takes the brass ring, 69-63 over JCU.

Goodluck tonight! I would love to see an all Ohio matchup Saturday in St. Louis!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 31, 2014, 11:23:36 PM
PG Spencer Sanders,  UD-Jesuit (Detroit) will attend John Carroll.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 17, 2014, 10:42:22 PM
Happy to see JJ Kukura staying home.  The Alliance senior was 1st team All-Ohio and conference, county and district POY averaging almost 30 a game along with 9 boards.  Nice job Coach Fuline!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 01, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
Another good commitment....Jessie Driver, a 6-1 guard who was DI 2nd team All-Ohio at Austintown Fitch is headed to Mount according to Fitch Basketball's Twitter account.  Fuline is really doing a great job recruiting Youngstown. 
Title: Re: Updated Schedules . . . we are looking at you JCU, Mount, Capital and Wilmington
Post by: sac on July 30, 2014, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on July 30, 2014, 10:14:05 AM
BW:  http://bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule

Jan 6.  at Pine Manor

Pine Manor just went co-ed in January, this will be their first year of men's athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2014, 06:20:25 PM
We have schedules posted as well -- here's Capital:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Capital/Men/2014-15/index

Our Otterbein schedule includes their December tournament opponent:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Otterbein/Men/2014-15/index

And we have partial JCU and Wilmington schedules based on what other teams have posted, though nothing useful for JCU yet.
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/John_Carroll/Men/2014-15/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Wilmington/Men/2014-15/index
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on August 27, 2014, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on August 27, 2014, 09:58:07 AM
And the only one that I really care about is the only one not available . . .


JCU has always been fashionably late to the schedule party.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 24, 2014, 02:40:03 PM
Mount Union   http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Muskingum: http://www.fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
John Carroll:  http://www.jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
BW:  http://bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Marietta: http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Capital  http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Otterbein: http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Ohio Northern: http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Heidelberg:  http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Wilmington:  http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 16, 2014, 09:57:03 PM
I like Mount's non conference schedule.  Bethany, St. Vincent, Wooster, Hope.  Those are some solid games.  Fuline is pushing them. I like to see it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 07, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
The preseason coaches poll is out.  What the heck is going on in Westerville?!  I watched them a couple times last year and they were not good, but dead last??

79 Mount (8)
68 Marietta
66 JCU (1)
57 Cap (1)
46 ONU
39 BW
37 Wilmington
28 Berg
18 Musky
12 Otterbein
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 07, 2014, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 07, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
The preseason coaches poll is out.  What the heck is going on in Westerville?!  I watched them a couple times last year and they were not good, but dead last??

79 Mount (8)
68 Marietta
66 JCU (1)
57 Cap (1)
46 ONU
39 BW
37 Wilmington
28 Berg
18 Musky
12 Otterbein

When you return only 4 of your top 11 minutes guys, you went 4-22 with 2 wins over Muskingum  last year, and your roster contains 1 Senior, 1 Junior, 6 Sophs and 12 Freshmen, expectations tend to be low.

http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 08, 2014, 09:21:55 AM
Well the bigger problem is they SHOULD have had their 3 best players back since they were all soph/frosh last year, but in looking at their roster 2 of them are not there including their best player (Bischoff).  That kills them.  Now the ranking makes a lot more sense!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on November 09, 2014, 04:14:04 PM
congrats to Marietta for the fine game they played against my Bobcats yesterday. You could here the sound of people jumping of the Ohio bandwagon in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 10, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
ohio 82 Marietta 69

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/bk110814.html
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 17, 2014, 11:57:32 PM
2014-15 should be a fun year in the OAC.  Mount and Marietta are the top dogs.  Like the Dr. said, Otterbein at the bottom is surprising but makes sense after knowing their 3 best players transferred out of the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 11:37:22 AM
Where did they transfer?  I hope their best player didn't transfer to Marietta again!

Mount opens up tonight at home against Bethany.  Should be a good test to start the season.  Wooster beat up on Cabrini so that looms large for Mount heading over to Wayne County.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 18, 2014, 04:59:57 PM
Transferred/Quit/not on the roster.  I don't know where they are at or if they are playing.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 05:13:27 PM
Bischoff transferred to Miami to play.  He has to sit out this year.  Not sure about the others.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 08:10:25 PM
Mount jumps out on Bethany 22-2 and now leads by 30 at 49-19 late in the 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 18, 2014, 09:15:59 PM
Final:  Mount 92, Bethany 49.  Raiders were up by 50 in the 2nd half. Solid win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 18, 2014, 11:30:33 PM
Nice win by Mount. Otterbein falls at Hiram.  Cap drills Witt.  Marietta blows out Waynesburg.  BW loses to Case Western.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 19, 2014, 03:29:23 AM
If Bischof went to Miami, that's fine but 2 things: I don't think you have to sit out a year when transferring from D3 to D1 and he is not good enough to play at Miami. If he is, then Miami is in trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 19, 2014, 07:53:47 AM
Miami lost their exhibition game at home to D2 Edinboro by double figures.  Edinboro was picked to finish 8th (out of 9) in their conference.   

I know when guys I played with transferred up to DI they didn't sit out, but they weren't walk ons.  But him sitting out is straight from his bio on the Miami website so I assume I just don't know the rules. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 19, 2014, 08:41:19 AM
Transfer ups have to sit out a year.


Miami has been in a rebuild mode for 2+ years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 22, 2014, 08:00:53 AM
Good effort by Mount at Wooster.  The Raiders almost took down a top 10 team on the road.  Mount looks to be playing at the level expected early in the year and should end up as OAC champs. Otterbein takes out a bad Houghton team and now faces DePauw in a tough matchup for the O Club Classic title.  Wilmington pulls out a 2 point win over SUNY Geneseo.  Geneseo was coming off a 21-7 season and NCAA Tournament berth a year ago.  Cap falls to a Methodist team picked 8th in their league.  Tough L for the Crusaders.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 22, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
I'm not a big fan of moral victories, but I'm happy Mount went to Wooster and hung right with them.  That's a good sign to me.  They're raising the expectations and their level of play.  And they're getting big contributions from young guys like Jackson (So) and Kukura (Fr).  I couldn't help but like seeing a freshmen put up 16 and 6 with a couple steals at Wooster.  And no turnovers.  Shows me a kid who is ready to play against top teams right away and it speaks to the job Fuline has done recruiting.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 23, 2014, 02:46:09 PM
I just watched Mount play a very poor first half.  They trail St. Vincent 38-27 at half.  The Raiders shot poorly and are getting killed on offensive rebounds so far.  The last 30 seconds summed it up when they missed a fast break layup, missed a dunk and then gave up a jumper at the buzzer.  So instead of potentially going in down 5 it's 11.  Time to rally!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 23, 2014, 04:58:04 PM
transitive scores and all being what they are, I have to think Mt. Union losing to St. Vincent has moved Marietta into the early favorites role in the OAC.

Marietta 72 St. Vinecent 60
St. Vincent 71 Mt. Union 65

Marietta has the best win so far, a 73-54 win over HCAC favorite Hanover
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 23, 2014, 11:35:25 PM
Surprising loss by Mount today to St. Vincent.  Poor performance by the Muskies in losing by 16 to previously winless (0-3) Kenyon.  Nice to see Cap bounce back and win big on Saturday. ONU, Marietta and BW all take care of business.  Looks like a headscratcher of a year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 24, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
Yeah, that was a bad loss.  SVC was not impressive.  Mount looked bad for stretches yesterday. They were getting killed on long offensive rebounds off of deep jumpers.  Just one of those days where they brick a 3 and it seemed to keep ending up in their hands again.  Plus Mount shot very poorly.  To their credit they clawed their way back to within 2 late in the 2nd half so that fight was good to see.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 25, 2014, 11:57:14 PM
ONU with a nice win over Defiance tonight 59-57 for the only OAC win on the evening.  Ohio Wesleyan wins big at Cap, Muskingum loses by 20, and Thomas More nips Wilmington by 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on November 27, 2014, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: sac on November 19, 2014, 08:41:19 AM
Transfer ups have to sit out a year.


Miami has been in a rebuild mode for 2+ years.
Miami continuing that fine d1 play they displayed against Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on November 27, 2014, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
ohio 82 Marietta 69

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/bk110814.html
thank you Marietta, that shut a few of the arrogant folks up in Athens.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on November 28, 2014, 09:43:04 AM
0-4 Wittenberg blows out Otterbein 70-46 in the only OAC action Wednesday night.  It appears to be another long year in Westerville as the Cardinals struggle to score.  OU scored 12 2nd half points vs DePauw and followed it up with 11 1st half points vs. Witt.   Marietta, Muskingum, and Cap are in action this weekend.  OAC is 19-17 in non-conference play with Marietta and ONU leading the way at 4-0 each.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 03, 2014, 11:42:55 PM
Conference play started tonight:
Cap 90, Wilmington 79
JC 92, The Berg 62
Mount Union 87, BW 62
ONU 78, Otterbein 67
Marietta 87, Muskingum 74
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 06, 2014, 08:01:59 AM
It is early in the conference schedule but there are a few BIG match ups today.  Surprising ONU vs. Mount is the one I have my eye on.
John Carroll vs. Capital   
Marietta vs. Wilmington (Ohio)
Muskingum vs Heidelberg
Otterbein vs BW
Ohio Northern vs. Mount Union
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 07, 2014, 06:08:37 PM
JCU, Marietta and Mount all 2-0 now.  Sounds about right. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Sir Battlescars on December 11, 2014, 01:43:58 PM
What's up with Wilmington? The defending champs have only won one game so far this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 11, 2014, 03:10:44 PM
Quote from: Sir Battlescars on December 11, 2014, 01:43:58 PM
What's up with Wilmington? The defending champs have only won one game so far this year.

Wilmington graduated 5 of their top 10 including 4 players who started frequently.  The biggest loss being All-OAC Malcolm Heard.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 14, 2014, 02:09:43 AM
I went to the Mount game at Ott tonight.  As expected Mount won easily 94-73.  They shot the ball well, but I was underwhelmed by the Raider D.  Ott shot the ball pretty well too.  Obviously the talent disparity was far too much and Mount's depth as well.  3-0 in OAC play is impossible to argue with, but they need to be a little more focused against Cap.  DeAllen Jackson looked really good as he continues to have a breakout Soph season.  He's going to be a really good player for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 16, 2014, 10:35:29 PM
After trailing Cap by 7 at half Mount puts together a strong 2nd half to win 81-67.  They outscored Cap 55-34 in the half.  Mount stays perfect at 4-0 in OAC play.

Also, congrats to Nate Jacubec for eclipsing the 1000 point mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 17, 2014, 01:29:58 PM
Musky vs Otterbein tonight.  Loser may end up in the cellar this season in the OAC.

Mount continues to roll.  MU and Marietta at the top of the league standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on December 18, 2014, 03:42:34 PM
It really is starting to look like it is Mount, Marietta, and JCU separating themselves from the rest of the pack.  Nice win by the Pioneers last night in Berea.  One of their top players (Dollman) didn't play at all last night.  Not sure why (illness or injury?). Andy has struggled when he has played this year.  He is not scoring or shooting like he did last year. 

Saturday's matchup with JCU (4-0, 5-1) is shaping up to be a really big game.  Interesting scheduling quark for the Pioneers, Of their first 9 conference games, 6 are on the road.  In fact their 4-0 start have all been road games, JCU is their first conference home game of the season.  It also means that 6 of their 9 conference games in the second part of the season will be at home. 

Marietta's inside game has been strong so far this season.  Stephenson and Grenert have been a very good combination down low.  Grenert is playing at a fairly high level. 





Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 20, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Marietta vs JCU today. HUGE game at the top of the OAC!  looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 20, 2014, 04:52:35 PM
Wow.  Musky is beating ONU by 20 late in the game.  WOW BW is hammering Wilm by almost 40! 

The big game went to Etta.  Looking at the play by play it looks like they were up double digits pretty much the last 6 min.

Mount cruised past Olivet (at Hope) last night but they trail Hope by 8 currently.  Not shooting well at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 21, 2014, 12:26:25 AM
Mt. Union's 3 loss have something in common.  Wooster, St. Vincent and Hope all defended them well enough to keep a very good shooting team at 40% or lower.


Bad 3-point shooting nights are always tricky to find a reasoning behind them.  For Mt. Union, a usually very good 3-point shooting team, this was certainly an anomaly to their other games where they shot better than 40% in every game but one and that was 37 at Wooster.    Saturday Mount shot just 21% on 7-33.  There were some good looks here but I really felt a lot of those 2nd half shots were getting deeper and deeper with guys running at them.  You would know this if the $25 Million DeVos Fieldhouse provided video feed.

But, Hope's doing something right in defending 3's.  For the season all 8 of Hope's opponents have shot below and most well below their season average. 

                 Game vs Hope       Season Avg minus the Hope game.
Whitewater     42.9%            44.6%
Steven Point    18.2%            38.2%
Cornerstone     25%              40.3%
Aquinas            23.5%           35.2%
Carthage          16.7%           34.2%
Wheaton          27.3%           38.5%
Greensburg      27.6%           33.3%
Mt. Union          21.2%           43%

Season           44-175   25.1%

I don't think this is a team getting lucky catching all of these team on cold nights.


Fun to see Mt. Union in person, I watched them on video a few times last year.  This team seems a bit different than last year in person.  Defensively they're much better than I thought they'd be, it wasn't easy for Hope to score and they usually had to work the ball a lot to get points.  They also looked much more physical in person and played with an edge I suppose you have to have in the OAC.  Overall enjoyable and I look forward to Hope's potential return trip to Alliance in a couple years.


Unfortunately this was a big loss within the region for Mt. Union and they now have losses to Wooster, St. Vincent and Hope.  It might be tough to get a high ranking within the Great Lakes Region without a good signature out of conference win unless they blow through the OAC, which isn't very likely.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 23, 2014, 02:14:37 PM
Top 4
• Marietta should be in the top 20 by the time 2015 rolls around.  Great start for the 'Neers.  An 8-1 Eastern Conn. team awaits them in Florida.
• MU is off to a solid start but has been unable to get the big win over a traditional power.  Losses to NCAA tournament type teams Wooster, Hope, and St. Vincent take the shine off the Raiders 6-3 start.  Wins vs. MIAA Adrian and Olivet should be forthcoming during the holiday.
• John Carroll - another of the OAC championship hopefuls with no signature win thus far.   2 easy wins should be occur over break.
• BW - Off to a 5-3 start but the 5 wins are over teams who are a combined 11-35.

Middle of the Pack
• Cap - Crusaders are 4-6 overall and squarely a middle of the pack team.  This team could beat a top 4 team or could lose to one of the bottom feeders. 
• Heidelberg is 3-5 and has Carnegie Mellon and a sold Defiance tournament coming up. Look for the Student Princes to be 4-7 heading back to January OAC play.

Bottom 4
• Otterbein is 2-7 before heading to Christopher Newport for a holiday tournament.  The once proud Otterbein program is now 6-29 last year and so far this year.  Cards are young and talented but...
• Ohio Northern - after a 5-0 start, the Polar Bears have lost 4 straight.  A trip to Bethany of New Years Eve may help get ONU back on track.  The Bears have work to do to get back to their 16 win season of a year ago.
• Wilmington - Off to a slow start, they have a chance to do some damage at the Wittenberg tournament, or at least get a  split and come out of the tourney 1-1 as they take on 1-win Alma in the first game.  Quakers almost beat Marietta but get blown out by BW by 35 two weeks later.  Wilmington could upset a top 4 and shake up the league race.
• Muskingum - another year at the bottom as the Muskies appear headed for their 6th straight season with 8 wins or less.  I wonder what Coach Burson thinks about his once well-respected program.  The good news is Franciscan is on the schedule next so win #4 should be headed the Muskies way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 28, 2014, 06:12:23 PM
Mount (8-3) sweeps a pair of MIAA teams this weekend blowing out Adrian yesterday 96-68 and beating Olivet today 103-89.  I would have liked to see them play North Central (the 4th team in Alliance) rather than Olivet again, but oh well.  NCC is 10-1 I think so that would have been more interesting than Olivet again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on December 29, 2014, 11:05:45 AM
Good luck Capital tonight in Oxford Someone needs to tell whoever mentioned the next opponent on the Cap website that the Crusaders are playing Miami University, not the University of Miami. There is a considerable difference between those schools as Miami University is one of the finest public institutions in the country. That being said it would certainly please me to see the hated Redhawks lose to a d3 school again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 31, 2014, 01:34:58 AM
Wilmington wins the Wittenberg tournament with a close win over Waynesburg. 
J Carroll and Marietta each beat ranked teams.  Marietta takes down E. Conn. State and JCU knocks off St. Norbert by 10! BIG wins for the OAC.
BW drills Westminster by 16.  Heidelberg gets crushed by Defiance 78-51.
Otterbein loses by double digits to 3 win Worcester State to fall to 2-9.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on December 31, 2014, 01:59:23 AM
Random Facts:
Otterbein has won 7 of their last 44 games.  Yes, 7-37.  Cardinals are 14-50 since 2012-13.  Winning % of .218

Muskingum is 12-48 since the beginning of 2012-13.  Winning % of .200

Marietta is 50-15 during that same time.  Winning % of .769



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on December 31, 2014, 08:52:36 AM
The Marietta vs. ECSU was a wild affair.  Marietta seemingly had control in the second half, until they didn't.  The Pioneers were leading by 5-6 points with about 2 minutes when they started to falter.  Turnovers, a missed front end of a 1 and 1, some key baskets by ECSU got it to a very exciting 38 seconds of basketball.  After scoring to cut the pioneer lead to 3 with 38 seconds, the following happened.

Marietta turned the ball over under heavy full court pressure.  The turnover occurred under the basket in the back court which led to an easy ECSU layup.  The lead was now 1, and there was 33 seconds remaining.

Marietta advanced the ball across the division line, where freshman Dillon Young was trapped.  When pivoting to avoid some pressure, an ECSU player went down.  The officials called a player control foul. 

ECSU brought the ball down the floor and ran their offense.  They had a lot of success with a back door play, and ran it again for an easy layup and a on point lead.  10 seconds remained.

Marietta inbounded the ball to RaNeal Ewing who dribbled the length of the floor for a layup which was not contested very aggressively.  Marietta back up 1.

ECSU quickly inbounded the ball and drove the length of the floor and missed a shot at the buzzer.

Two quality opponents, and an exciting finish for the unbeaten Pioneers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on December 31, 2014, 10:21:54 AM
Quote from: Ohigy on December 31, 2014, 01:34:58 AM
J Carroll and Marietta each beat ranked teams.  Marietta takes down E. Conn. State and JCU knocks off St. Norbert by 10! BIG wins for the OAC.

Great point -- Congrats to both the Blue Streaks and the Pioneers on huge wins yesterday!  Very nice to see Ohio teams (Great Lakes region) knocking off other nationally ranked teams in D3.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 01, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
Quote from: Ohigy on December 31, 2014, 01:59:23 AM
Random Facts:
Otterbein has won 7 of their last 44 games.  Yes, 7-37.  Cardinals are 14-50 since 2012-13.  Winning % of .218

Muskingum is 12-48 since the beginning of 2012-13.  Winning % of .200

Marietta is 50-15 during that same time.  Winning % of .769
Maybe Dick Reynolds wasn't the problem after all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2015, 10:54:10 PM
Couldn't be that the program was in such poor shape that it might take a few seasons to turn it around, not at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 02, 2015, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: Ohigy on December 31, 2014, 01:59:23 AM
Random Facts:
Otterbein has won 7 of their last 44 games.  Yes, 7-37.  Cardinals are 14-50 since 2012-13.  Winning % of .218

Muskingum is 12-48 since the beginning of 2012-13.  Winning % of .200

Marietta is 50-15 during that same time.  Winning % of .769

I think you'll find, through time, Jon VanderWal at Marietta is one of the best coaches in the region.


Otterbein has 1 Sr. and 1 Jr., 6 soph and 11 Freshmen.  Hard for anyone to win much with a team makeup like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 02, 2015, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2015, 12:25:50 PM

I think you'll find, through time, Jon VanderWal at Marietta is one of the best coaches in the region.
Agreed.

Quote from: sac on January 02, 2015, 12:25:50 PMOtterbein has 1 Sr. and 1 Jr., 6 soph and 11 Freshmen.  Hard for anyone to win much with a team makeup like that.
Kind of raises the question of why the team is constructed that way. What happened to all the upperclassmen you would expect to be on the team? I must admit that I know nothing whatever about the situation at Otterbein, but I see that the current head coach is in his third season, which means whatever frosh were around in Reynolds' last season are gone now (all but one), and all but one of the kids recruited that summer (by whomever) are gone too. Why didn't they stick around?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 02, 2015, 07:48:19 PM
It's year 3 and they've made no progress.  I've seen them in person several times this year and, quite frankly, that looks like a year 1 of the rebuilding project team.  They might grow into a solid team in a couple years, but this isn't football where you need years of recruiting to build depth.  They should be better by now and they aren't. Mike Fuline inherited a program that hadn't even had a winning record in the OAC for 7 straight years.  In year 3 he won the OAC.  Ott was a disaster when Adrian came, but in year 3 they're still there.  If I'm a Cards fan I'm willing to give it another year before I panic though.  Let's see what they do next year with a bunch of juniors and sophomores that have played. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2015, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 02, 2015, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2015, 12:25:50 PM

I think you'll find, through time, Jon VanderWal at Marietta is one of the best coaches in the region.
Agreed.

Quote from: sac on January 02, 2015, 12:25:50 PMOtterbein has 1 Sr. and 1 Jr., 6 soph and 11 Freshmen.  Hard for anyone to win much with a team makeup like that.
Kind of raises the question of why the team is constructed that way. What happened to all the upperclassmen you would expect to be on the team? I must admit that I know nothing whatever about the situation at Otterbein, but I see that the current head coach is in his third season, which means whatever frosh were around in Reynolds' last season are gone now (all but one), and all but one of the kids recruited that summer (by whomever) are gone too. Why didn't they stick around?

The new coach didn't get hired until May 22, so I'm sure there weren't a lot of recruits for that class. That leaves two classes under Todd Adrian, which have a total of 17 players.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2015, 10:39:06 PM
The last Dick Reynolds roster sports three sophomores and two freshmen (and nine juniors and seniors).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 03, 2015, 08:12:45 AM
overall, retention seems to be a problem at Otterbein.

I think they have only 1 player who has been there all 3 years Adrian has been the coach, Crum.  Last year they carried 9 Fr., only 5 return this year.  All 6 Fr. on Adrian's first team are no longer there, the only Jr. is a transfer from Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 04, 2015, 07:22:54 PM
Retention is not just an issue with freshmen. 2 of the top 3 scorers from last year were Matt Rhodes and Jake Bischoff - from Westerville and Olentangy respectively.  Both were Division II players. Rhodes transferred from Walsh and Bischoff from Concord.   Both left the team and had multiple years of eligibility left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 04, 2015, 07:25:58 PM
Updated Standings:
5-0 Marietta
4-0 Mount Union
4-1 JCU
3-2 B-W
2-2 Capital
1-3 Heidelberg
1-3 Otterbein
1-4 ONU
1-4 Muskingum
1-4 Wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 04, 2015, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: Ohigy on January 04, 2015, 07:22:54 PM
Retention is not just an issue with freshmen. 2 of the top 3 scorers from last year were Matt Rhodes and Jake Bischoff - from Westerville and Olentangy respectively.  Both were Division II players. Rhodes transferred from Walsh and Bischoff from Concord.   Both left the team and had multiple years of eligibility left.

Jake is sitting out the year after transferring to Miami, Ohio.  Matt Rhodes is at Columbus State College(JC)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2015, 10:44:28 PM
Which means Rhodes will be somewhere else again next yr.  Maybe he'll end up back at Ott.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 05, 2015, 08:53:53 AM
This all sounds pretty dysfunctional to me. Sad to see in this program.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2015, 09:06:57 AM
Like I said, if I was an Otterbein fan I would give it through next season.  They have 17 FR/SO on the roster.  Those kids are playing a lot now.  If they retain them and they start turning that experience into wins next year then I'm okay with things.  If their roster make up looks a lot like this year again next year?  Time to panic.

Also, I was listening to the OAC hoops podcast because they had Mike Fuline as the guest.  I found it very interesting that he said it was actually Coach Goodwin from Cap who encouraged him to beef up their OOC schedule to push his team.  Goodwin is another hurdle in Ott's way.  With Reynolds gone Goodwin's long ties to the HS scene in central OH are undoubtedly giving him an advantage in recruiting.  He's been at Cap a long time and is well respected locally.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 05, 2015, 08:11:15 PM
I was elated to see the Mount schedule this year.  Great advice given by the Cap coach and taken by Fuline.  Marietta and Mount are getting in position for an at-large bid if they don't win the OAC title.  Dr acula - I don't think Otterbein cared much about ties to Ohio, especially central Ohio, when they hired Adrian.  I think your point about competing for Central Ohio kids is very relevant.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 08, 2015, 08:18:27 AM
Mount kept pace with Etta last night with a 100-90 win at Berg to remain undefeated in the OAC. Ott also picked up a nice rivalry win over Cap and in doing so got above the four team log jam at 1-4.  They're now tied with Cap at 2-3.  Ott has 1-4 Berg at the Rike Saturday so they have a good shot to move back to .500 this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 08, 2015, 09:59:56 AM
Big rivalry win for Otterbein over Cap.  The race for the title is going to be a fun one to watch with 'Etta and Mount both playing outstanding.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 10, 2015, 07:07:25 AM
hmmm can Otterbein keep it going tonight against Berg? Since I'm not going to BG now(god my bobcats suck this year) might just have to drive over after Denison game and check it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 10, 2015, 11:34:52 PM
Wilmington beats Mount Union in Alliance.  SHOCKER!   I was also really surprised Heidelberg destroyed Otterbein by 20.  JC, Marietta, and BW won as expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 11, 2015, 09:20:19 AM
Otterbein didn't have a clue on handling pressure. At least 8 backcourt turnovers either from steals or violations. 2 ten second violations in there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 11, 2015, 09:28:30 AM
If Marietta was to play Ohio again, this time they would probably not lose the 14 point lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 11, 2015, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: Ohigy on January 10, 2015, 11:34:52 PM
Wilmington beats Mount Union in Alliance.  SHOCKER!   I was also really surprised Heidelberg destroyed Otterbein by 20.  JC, Marietta, and BW won as expected.

Either Mount played completely terrible defense or Wilm just shot the lights out because the Quakers shot over 60% from 3 and from the floor overall.  Their starters shot closer to 70% from the floor.  Wilm got blasted in their last OAC game by BW, but beat Mount and lost to Etta by 2 so who knows what they are this year. The bottom line is they were 1-4 in the OAC and you had them at home.  Need to win that one if you want to give yourself a good chance to win the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 15, 2015, 07:38:20 AM
I realize that this isn't a good year for Capital but Marietta sure seems to be on a roll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 15, 2015, 02:47:06 PM
Capital is not good (as their 4-10 record would suggest).  They did little defensively to impact what was happening on the floor.  They only seemed to have one real offensive threat, and he put up 17.  Other than that, they were not really a threat to do much.  It got ugly in a hurry, though.  Marietta was shooting very well early on and it continued throughout the  game. 

The good news for the Pios: Andy Dollman probably had his best game of the season so far.  He must be mostly recovered from his injury (an ankle problem was mentioned on the radio a few weeks back). 

This is a very deep and talented Pioneer team. 

The most interesting thing that happened last night.  The first whistle of the game for ANYTHING came at the 10:46 mark of the first half.  No fouls, no violations, no out of bounds plays.  Up and down at a pretty good pace.  The first whistle:  Capital calling a time out.  I've not seen that before. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2015, 09:50:14 AM
Big game tomorrow in Alliance with JCU coming to town.  Both are 6-1 in the OAC.  The Raiders need to bounce back from the Wilmington loss at home and get one back here.  They don't want to go into that first clash with Etta next week already down 2 games in the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 16, 2015, 08:51:11 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on January 15, 2015, 02:47:06 PM
Capital is not good (as their 4-10 record would suggest).  They did little defensively to impact what was happening on the floor.  They only seemed to have one real offensive threat, and he put up 17.  Other than that, they were not really a threat to do much.  It got ugly in a hurry, though.  Marietta was shooting very well early on and it continued throughout the  game. 

The good news for the Pios: Andy Dollman probably had his best game of the season so far.  He must be mostly recovered from his injury (an ankle problem was mentioned on the radio a few weeks back). 

This is a very deep and talented Pioneer team. 

The most interesting thing that happened last night.  The first whistle of the game for ANYTHING came at the 10:46 mark of the first half.  No fouls, no violations, no out of bounds plays.  Up and down at a pretty good pace.  The first whistle:  Capital calling a time out.  I've not seen that before.
Looking forward to seeing Marietta tomorrow night against Marietta. I want to see the team that gave my bobcats such a rough game this year. Bobcats are bad yes but the Pioneers still had a halftime lead and led at one time by 14.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 17, 2015, 10:33:07 AM
The way Marietta is playing, the Mount/JCU loser could find themselves out of the championship hunt.  The Pioneers are rolling.   The league is the Big Four and Little Six right now.  Otterbein has a D1 transfer that just started playing last week so look for the Cardinals to start putting up some W's.  Kudos to the OAC for the new website design!  I like it!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2015, 03:24:35 PM
Mount is already down 28-18.  They are stone cold shooting.  I'm watching the video and they're tossing up some big time bricks.  1-9 on 3's isn't helping. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2015, 03:28:58 PM
Of course I no sooner type that and Mount goes on a 10-0 run to tie it at 28-28. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2015, 04:55:10 PM
Mount 95, JCU 92

Wow, that was a heck of a finish.  JCU starts the 2nd half on a 19-4 run to go up 11.  Mount battles back.  Both teams shot better down the stretch and Mount holds off a JCU 3 at the buzzer to win 95-92.  DeAllen Jackson was enormous for Mount scoring 24 on 9-11 shooting including the huge 3 to break a 90-90 tie.  That kid is a stud.  Stevie Griffin also went 4-4 at the line in 2 huge situations in the closing minutes.  I'll take a win against JCU any day and especially on a day when 2 of your main scorers shot very poorly. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 17, 2015, 10:16:18 PM
I know Marietta was playing Otterbein but that was impressive tonight. Anyone will have their hands full with the Pioneers this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 18, 2015, 09:31:28 AM
I saw on Twitter that Tallmadge's HC congratulated Andrew Francesconi on picking Mount Union.  Nice get for Fuline.  Francesconi fits his blueprint perfectly...6-4 scorer who will be able to run the floor.  Francesconi was 1st team All-Suburban League and All-District and 3rd team All-Ohio in D2 as a junior.  Excited to see him added to the mix next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 19, 2015, 08:41:35 AM
Wednesday's tilt between Marietta and Mount Union is looking like a dandy.   I would imagine it will be a near capacity crowd as the local community is starting to notice what is going on a little bit. 

Most of the remaining home games don't have as much "sizzle" to them, but this one sure does.  I imagine both teams will be excited to play this one.

I'm anxious to see how well the teams match up against one another.

The other big matchup is between JCU and BW (at John Carroll).  some exciting midweek matchups at the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 19, 2015, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on January 19, 2015, 08:41:35 AM
Wednesday's tilt between Marietta and Mount Union is looking like a dandy.   I would imagine it will be a near capacity crowd as the local community is starting to notice what is going on a little bit. 

Most of the remaining home games don't have as much "sizzle" to them, but this one sure does.  I imagine both teams will be excited to play this one.

I'm anxious to see how well the teams match up against one another.

The other big matchup is between JCU and BW (at John Carroll).  some exciting midweek matchups at the top.
After the crowd I saw Marietta bring for the Otterbein game I would assume tickets for any remaining home game will be hard to come bye. I just might have to stay home from the Denison game Wednesday night and watch the Pioneer game on the net.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 21, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
That was a dandy. A heavyweight bout without question. Two very impressive teams.

I'll post more tomorrow when I have a keyboard I can use to type effectively and efficiently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 22, 2015, 08:52:51 AM
One of the great things about D3 basketball is it doesn't get a lot of "fanfare" or hype.  There was a nice write up in the Marietta times earlier this week, which helped drive attendance, but unless you follow the OAC or more specifically, Mount Union or Marietta you probably didn't know a whole lot about this game.  Marietta's early season success has generated some excitement.  The fact they were playing the team currently (and still) in second in the OAC standings last night was enough to fill the building.  It made for a great atmosphere.

This was "round one" of the heavyweight battle.  Mount who was picked preseason to be the top team in the OAC against Marietta who was picked second.  It did not disappoint.  Both teams were fired up and ready to play.   

I have to give a lot of credit to Mount's top two players, DeAllen Jackson and Nate Jacubec.  These guys gave Marietta fits all night long.  Jacubec is frustrating to defend, especially when he is "on'" as he was last night.  7-10 from the floor and 4-5 from behind the arc.  He was unconscious for 36 minutes last night.  Wide open, guys in his face, didn't matter, he just drilled shot after shot.  At least he did until his last two attempts, missing a contested three in the right corner and blowing a layup when playing catch-up.  We didn't really have an answer for him.

DeAllen Jackson is a really good player.  He handles the ball extremely well, he is quick and a matchup problem for most guards.  They run a lot of ball screens to get him opportunities to go to the basket.  It is easy to see why he came into the game shooting a mind boggling 58% from the floor.  He finishes strong, and does well drawing contact.  He caused a lot of problems for the Pioneers all night long.

Taylor Moore was the only other Raider player who stood out to me.  He is not a big, bruising post player, but he is smooth, and has great footwork.  The Marietta bigs had trouble defending him when he was able to get moving down low. 

Marietta's big guys were more than Mount could handle.  The four man rotation of Stephenson (17 pts, 4 Reb) Grenert (12 points, 8 Reb), Stegman (8 pts, 8 reb), and Edwards (6 pts, 8 reb) had a decisive advantage in the paint.  They controlled the glass on both ends of the floor, with Marietta having a +14 advantage in rebounds, and grabbing a whopping 19 offensive rebounds.

The men of the match last night were RaNeal Ewing and Keith Richardson.  Richardson provided a big boost off the bench in the first half.  And Ewing made the play which swung the momentum of the game in Marietta's favor with a strong "and 1" finish on a fast break opportunity against one of Mount's big guys.

A word about the officiating.  Officiating in the OAC is strange.  It is some of the most physical basketball I've ever seen.  You can't be timid and play in that league.  I don't know how it is in other D3 conferences, but in the OAC, you better bring your big boy pants to play.  Now I don't have a problem with the way the game is played.  But there are times when you just scratch your head about some of the calls and non-calls which happen.  One trip, a guy gets stabbed, hit with a trash can, and run over by a truck and nothing.  The next trip a butterfly lands on a guy and it draws a whistle.  It just seemed wildly inconsistent for both teams last night.  Of course this observation is clouded by a biased rooting interest and emotional "heat of the battle" feelings, but it was still strange--not bad, not good, just strange.   

It was a great atmosphere.  The local community support was strong.  The students are into it.  It was pretty much a packed house.  Fortunately the Pioneers did not disappoint.  A great game by two very good teams.  It won't surprise me if Mount Union beats Marietta when the game is in Alliance in February.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2015, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on January 22, 2015, 08:52:51 AM
A word about the officiating.  Officiating in the OAC is strange.  It is some of the most physical basketball I've ever seen.  You can't be timid and play in that league.  I don't know how it is in other D3 conferences, but in the OAC, you better bring your big boy pants to play.  Now I don't have a problem with the way the game is played.  But there are times when you just scratch your head about some of the calls and non-calls which happen.  One trip, a guy gets stabbed, hit with a trash can, and run over by a truck and nothing.  The next trip a butterfly lands on a guy and it draws a whistle.  It just seemed wildly inconsistent for both teams last night.  Of course this observation is clouded by a biased rooting interest and emotional "heat of the battle" feelings, but it was still strange--not bad, not good, just strange.   

Obviously consistency in the key in officiating (as well as so many other things!). In terms of it being physical ball, that is definitely the way it is played at the D-III level from Ohio on westward, into Wisconsin and Minnesota. The game is called and played with more finesse in New England for certain and to an extent in the Mid-Atlantic, so it's always interesting when teams meet from different parts of the country.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ettaexpress on January 22, 2015, 04:28:11 PM
The tempo in Ohio is fast as well. 5 OAC teams average 75 ppg or more, so that probably contributes to the problems, along with the physicality that's allowed to take place.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 22, 2015, 06:48:46 PM
The two top billed games didn't disappoint last night!  Congrats to the Pioneers on a big win and for taking control of the OAC race at this point.  Mount played a great game as well and the environment looked and sounded amazing on the HD stream.  The return trip to Alliance could be another special night.  After gushing over the top four though I wonder what is going on in Columbus?  Cap is blown out by Muskingum - losing by 21 points to the Muskies - and Otterbein loses at home to Wilmington after leading by 12 in the 2nd half.   It's been a long time, if ever, since we have seen Cap AND Otterbein at the bottom of the OAC standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 22, 2015, 09:07:46 PM
Speaking of standings...

1. Marietta 9-0/16-0
2. JCU 7-2/11-4
2. UMU 7-2/11-5
4. B-WC 6-3/12-4
5. Wilmington 4-5/7-8
6. ONU 3-6/8-8
6. Heidelberg 3-6/7-9
8. Muskingum 2-7/5-11
8. Capital 2-7/4-12
8. Otterbein 2-7/3-13

hth
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 23, 2015, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: Ohigy on January 22, 2015, 06:48:46 PM
The two top billed games didn't disappoint last night!  Congrats to the Pioneers on a big win and for taking control of the OAC race at this point.  Mount played a great game as well and the environment looked and sounded amazing on the HD stream.  The return trip to Alliance could be another special night.  After gushing over the top four though I wonder what is going on in Columbus?  Cap is blown out by Muskingum - losing by 21 points to the Muskies - and Otterbein loses at home to Wilmington after leading by 12 in the 2nd half.   It's been a long time, if ever, since we have seen Cap AND Otterbein at the bottom of the OAC standings.
Wow I went to Denison Wednesday night thinking it would be just another ugly Muskingum game. What a shocker. Hard times for two teams that don't have anyone who can shoot. Might have to change my mind on 2/14 and to go Wisconsin-A&M hockey game instead of Cap-Otterbein game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 24, 2015, 04:57:08 PM
Not surprisingly Mount struggled with Ott in the 1st half before outscoring them 50-33 in the 2nd to cruise to a 85-64 win.  Ott is obviously not good, but coming off JCU and Etta (and with BW next) I was afraid the Raiders might have a slight let down.  DeAllen Jackson was great again today tossing in 20 while again being stellar from the field (7-9).  Mount shot 60% overall and 84% from the line.  Good to get a win and move on from Etta.

Also, I'm curious to see what kind of rebounding numbers Kukura can put up next year when his minutes presumably increase.  He rebounds well for not being a post.  He's 3rd on the team at 4.1 Reb/gm in just 13.6 minutes per game.     
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 26, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
Marietta jumped out to a twenty point lead in the first half.  However Heidelberg's pressure and athleticism took its toll on the Pioneers and the Princes came all the way back to tie the ball game late in the second half.  Marietta was able to fend them off late in the game to get a 6 point win.

It was an ugly win.  But give credit to Heidelberg for not giving up and battling hard for 40 minutes.  They could have easily packed it in down twenty and let the Pioneers run over them, but they didn't.  The most disappointing thing to me was that Marietta failed to use their advantage in size to their benefit.  Heidelberg doesn't have but one player over 6-4 and he isn't what I would consider a top tier "big" in the OAC.  A skinny 6-3 guy isn't a match for any of Marietta's 4 big guys. 

Too many turnovers and bad shot choices for the pioneers as well.  I'm sure practice will be interesting this week.

I told another Marietta fan, you know we have come a long way when we start complaining about the quality of a win.  It hasn't been too many years ago, when wins of any variety were not plentiful. 

At the end of the day, the Pioneers are 17-0, still two games ahead in the league standings and have lowly Muskingum coming to town on Wednesday before a more challenging matchup with BW on Saturday.  It isn't too far fetched to think this team could be 21-0 when they head to Alliance February 11th. 

The Pio's remaining slate.

MUSK 1/28
BW 1/31
@Cap 2/4
WILM 2/7
@MOUT 2/7
@JCU 2/14
OTT 2/18
ONU 2/21

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 27, 2015, 07:53:07 AM
Marietta up to third this week. Go Pioneers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 27, 2015, 01:21:07 PM
The Category, things said at Marietta College for $1,000

Quote from: ohiofan1954 on January 27, 2015, 07:53:07 AM
Marietta up to third this week. Go Pioneers.

What is something you only hear during baseball season?

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 28, 2015, 07:32:18 PM
Big game for Mount tonight hosting BW.  It would be a nice hurdle to clear getting the season sweep of the Jackets.  2 games back of Etta they already need to pretty much win out and hope for help just to pull even with the Pios.  They can't afford to lose any more conference games if they want to have any chance of tying Etta.  While Mount played Etta tough and I could see them potentially winning the rematch in Alliance I just can't see Etta losing more than one other time in conference.  They're playing way too well to think they're going to stumble. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 28, 2015, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on January 27, 2015, 01:21:07 PM
The Category, things said at Marietta College for $1,000

Quote from: ohiofan1954 on January 27, 2015, 07:53:07 AM
Marietta up to third this week. Go Pioneers.

What is something you only hear during baseball season?
Marietta rated first.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 28, 2015, 11:08:21 PM
Pioneers the team you have to worry about in the NCAA's isn't Wooster, it is Ohio Wesleyan. If that zone defense is working like it did tonight and they are hitting their 3's they are going to be tough. They don't miss foul shots either,  something Wooster should take note of.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 29, 2015, 08:27:59 AM
11-0, 18-0  Marietta
9-2, 13-4    JCU
9-2, 13-5   Mount Union
7-4, 13-5   BW
5-6, 8-9     Wilmington
4-7, 9-9     ONU
3-8, 7-11   Heidelberg
3-8, 5-13   Capital
2-9, 5-13   Muskingum
2-9, 3-15   Otterbein

Marietta is in complete control of the league chase.  Barring something tragic, it looks like the Pioneers will win the OAC regular season title.  JCU and Mount continue to give chase for 2nd and a possible NCAA at-large bid.  BW needs to win out to have a shot at an at-large bid.  Wilmington, ONU, and Heidelberg are middle of the pack.  They usually win the games they should and lose the games they should.  Cap, Musky, and Otterbein are fighting to stay out of the cellar.  Otterbein and Muskingum play Saturday so one of those two will emerge from the bottom while the other cements themselves as the bottom-feeder.  I think the league will get two teams in the tournament this year.  Marietta and whoever emerges from the JCU/Mount scrum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 29, 2015, 08:31:04 AM
Well Mount got it done against BW, winning 83-72.

Marietta beat Muskingum soundly.  The final score ended up 16 points, but it was a bigger margin when Marietta went to their third group, who managed 2 FG's in like 3-4 minutes of play.

Muskingum was physical with the Pioneers.  They did a good job of keeping the Marietta bigs off the glass.  Muskingum had more offensive rebounds than the Pioneers.  There are not many teams who can say that, this year. 

Marietta made a concerted effort to involve the big guys throughout the game.  Grenert, Stephensen, Edwards, and Stegman combined for 40 points on 18-28 shooting from the floor.  Edwards continues to impress and keeps earning minutes with solid play on both ends of the court.  There isn't much of a drop off when he comes in the game. 

Dillon Young, a freshman also continues to impress.  He is a level headed, smart ball player. 

The noticeable thing about Marietta last night is they turned up their defense a notch.  They pressured the ball a lot better than they had been doing and it paid dividends. 

This is a deep Pioneer team.  The points can come from a variety of places on any given night.  AJ Ireland is a guy who is a solid contributor off the bench.  He doesn't get involved in the box score a lot of the time, but last night he just seemed to be feeling it.  He was co-leading scorer (13 Pts.) along with Edwards.  The offensive contributions come from so many different spots in the roster.  Sometimes I think the biggest coaching challenge with this group is keeping everyone's heads on straight and egos in check.  When these guys play as a team, they are really, really good.  At times, and there was one point last night, it almost looks like they are playing pickup ball—No offensive flow, no sharing of the ball, bad or rushed shots.   Not everybody is going to be the star every night, and getting the young men to buy into that is critical to their success down the stretch. 

A key matchup with BW on Saturday looms. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 29, 2015, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: Ohigy on January 29, 2015, 08:27:59 AM
11-0, 18-0  Marietta
9-2, 13-4    JCU
9-2, 13-5   Mount Union
7-4, 13-5   BW
5-6, 8-9     Wilmington
4-7, 9-9     ONU
3-8, 7-11   Heidelberg
3-8, 5-13   Capital
2-9, 5-13   Muskingum
2-9, 3-15   Otterbein

Marietta is in complete control of the league chase.  Barring something tragic, it looks like the Pioneers will win the OAC regular season title.  JCU and Mount continue to give chase for 2nd and a possible NCAA at-large bid.  BW needs to win out to have a shot at an at-large bid.  Wilmington, ONU, and Heidelberg are middle of the pack.  They usually win the games they should and lose the games they should.  Cap, Musky, and Otterbein are fighting to stay out of the cellar.  Otterbein and Muskingum play Saturday so one of those two will emerge from the bottom while the other cements themselves as the bottom-feeder.  I think the league will get two teams in the tournament this year.  Marietta and whoever emerges from the JCU/Mount scrum.
Things are looking good for the OAC this year. Quality league this year for sure. I am interested in catching Mt. Union this Saturday since I have read all the good reports on here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on January 30, 2015, 06:52:07 AM
Mount needs to finish really strong (beat Marietta and JCU) or win the OAC tournament to make the tournament.  The 3 non-conference losses to Wooster, St. Vincent, and Hope hurt.  It's a great schedule but one win in those three would have been huge for the Purple Raiders at-large resume.  JCU has a signature non-conference win vs. a 16-1 St. Norbert team.  It should be a fun last month of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on January 31, 2015, 06:18:20 PM
Great game at Capital today. #'s 20 and 32 for Cap had huge days and help make it a exciting game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 01, 2015, 10:08:43 AM
Great to see some "life" from the Crusaders as they battled Mount to a four point game.  JCU loses a game they needed to win at ONU when looking at the at-large race.   Marietta wins a tight one to stay perfect.  Heidelberg beats Wilmington by 3.  At the bottom, Muskingum drills Otterbein by 16 to move out of the cellar. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 02, 2015, 08:30:43 AM
Marietta's game with BW was an outstanding matchup between two quality programs.

Kudos to the Marietta College students and the local community for filling the arena.  There were signs on the exterior doors saying it was a sellout.  If they defeat Capital on Wednesday, they may have to presell the tickets for the Wilmington game on Saturday.  I can say this, there were a few times the noise was deafening.  You can tell the kids feed off of this type of atmosphere.  There was an electricity in the building.

BW seemed to have the upper hand for a good portion of the game until late in the second half.  The "crowd factor" seemed to come to life when one of the officials cracked his whistle and warned both benches for their excess commentary on the officiating.  It really fired the fans and the team up.  (At one point after that, I really thought BW's coach was going to draw the T.  He and one of the officials spent the better part of a timeout jawing at each other pretty intensely.  One of BW's assistants was trying to get between the two, but both parties were intent on having the last word.)

Marietta did a fairly good job of containing BW's Roth.  Roth got into foul trouble on a couple of charges in the first half and took himself out of the game.  He came to life in the second half though and put up 13 of his 17 points.  BW did a few things which gave the Pioneer d some difficulties.  They created some matchups and situations which took advantage of Marietta's aggressive man to man, allowing layups on several early possessions. 

For Marietta, Ewing and Richardson seemed to take over in the second half.  Really all of Marietta's perimeter players had little trouble turning the corner and driving to the basket.  Garcia probably had his best game in the last four on Saturday. 

It sounds like Capital may give the Pioneers some trouble on Wednesday if they can build on their effort against Mount Union.  Marietta handled the crusaders a few weeks ago by 24 points. 

There really seems to be a lacking number of quality big men in the OAC this year.  From what I've seen thus far, Marietta probably has the three best post players in the conference.  Most people already know about Eddie Grenert and Garrett Stephenson.  Nobody has really had an answer for them yet.  However, this AJ Edwards kid is really impressing as the season moves forward.  His effort on both ends is tremendous. He is a good shot blocker.  He is a strong rebounder. He has good hands, and finishes very well at the basket.  He has been a very pleasant surprise coming off the bench this year. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 05, 2015, 08:37:42 AM
No big surprises last night, I guess, at the top of the standings anyhow. 

Marietta, Mount, JCU and BW all win.  Wilmington holds on to the 5th spot in the standings with a victory at Northern. 

1.  MAR 13-0 (20-0)
2.  MOUNT 11-2 (15-5)
3.  JCU 10-3 (14-5)
4.  BW 8-5 (14-6)
5.  WILM 6-7 (9-10)
6.  ONU 5-8 (10-10)
7.  BERG 4-9 (8-12)
8.  MUSK 3-10 (6-14)
8.  CAP 3-10 (5-15)
9. OTT 2-11 (3-17)

5 conference games remain.

If the tourney started today...

8. Musk/Cap @ 5. Wilm.  Winner would play @ 4. BW,  Winner would play @1. MAR
7. Berg @ 6. ONU.  Winner would play @3. JCU, Winner would play@ 2. Mount.

(unless of course they have revamped the tourney back into a different format than last year. I can't find anything on the OAC website to indicate otherwise). 

Saturday's slate:

WILM @ MAR (get there early, the locals know about them now. Marietta won the first one by 2)
CAP @ JCU (JCU won the first matchup by 18)
MOUNT @ ONU (Mount won the first one by 7)
BERG @ MUSK (Berg won the first one by 27)
BW @ OTT (BW won the first matchup by 17)

Remaining games for the top 4 teams....

MAR - 5. Wilm, @2. Mount, @3 JCU, OTT and ONU. (My prediction the pios go 4-1 in their last 5)
MOUNT -  @ONU, 1. MAR, Berg, @3. JCU, @WILM. (My prediction, the Raiders go 4-1 in their last 5)
JCU - CAP, @3. BW, 1. MAR, 2. Mount, @MUSK (My prediction, the streaks go 3-2 in their last 5)
BW- @OTT, 3. JCU, WILM, @ONU, @CAP. (My prediction, the jackets go 4-1 in their last 5)

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 05, 2015, 12:41:09 PM
Marietta chasing some history.

The OAC has not had an unbeaten champion since Otterbein (16-0) in 1986
The OAC has not has a one loss champion since Ohio Northern (17-1) in 2001
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 05, 2015, 02:49:11 PM
I think Marietta makes history and goes undefeated!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 06, 2015, 11:55:39 AM
The OAC is returning to an 8-team traditional format tournament on the men's side this year according to Mt Union SID Lenny Reich.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 07, 2015, 05:39:56 PM
Mount keeps their slim hopes alive beating ONU in Ada 86-79.  Raiders are 12-2 in OAC play.  They really, REALLY need DeAllen Jackson to be back Wednesday for Etta.  Jackson did not play today after playing only 5 minutes early on Wednesday.  Hopefully it's nothing serious and he can go Wednesday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ettaexpress on February 07, 2015, 07:00:55 PM
Would be a shame if he couldn't go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 07, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Dr. A, do you know the extent of his injury?

Marietta looked impressive at times today and then at times looked really ugly. Every time they pushed to to a big lead they got careless with the ball and had too many turnovers.

AJ Edwards had a very good game today. He just continues to get better. He is the most improved player for the pioneers this year.

RaNeal Ewing continues to make impressive play after impressive play.

It was another near sellout today. The townies know about it and are coming out in force. I guess the Marietta faithful outnumbered the capital fans in belly last Wednesday.

The matchup on Alliance on Wednesday is the marquee game.

I liked the format with the bye and double bye. Too bad they are going back tot the traditional format.  But it is (hopefully) three more games to watch at the banjo. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ettaexpress on February 07, 2015, 09:39:01 PM
Wilmington's not a bad team and they really played pretty well, made some tough shots. And Marietta was still up 15 while subbing liberally within their rotation in the second half (extended minutes for their 5th post guy).

Wilmington's coach is on the regional advisory committee. I imagine he'll waste no time naming his top team in the region. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 08, 2015, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 07, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Dr. A, do you know the extent of his injury?

RaNeal Ewing continues to make impressive play after impressive play.

Honestly, I don't even know that he's injured.  I'm guessing he is from the box scores.  He started and played 4-5 minutes Wed, came out, went back in a few minutes later for 1 min and then was done.  He didn't play at all yesterday.  Given those facts and the fact that they're in must win mode on the road yesterday I assumed there was a physical reason he didn't play.   

Obviously Ewing would surely rather be on an undefeated team, but imagine the stats he could be putting up if he was still at Ott??  Good lord.  He'd probably be playing 38 min/gm!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 08, 2015, 09:43:04 AM
The top four are essentially set for the tournament.  They have been the best teams all year and have distanced themselves from the rest.  The battle for the #5 seed will be interesting to watch between Wilmington, ONU and the Berg.  The #8 spot and sacrificial lamb in the opening round vs. Marietta will be either Muskingum, Capital, or Otterbein.  Capital is playing much better the last few weeks.  The Crusaders would have the best chance to give Marietta a game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 08, 2015, 11:32:07 AM
BW-Otterbein was exciting last night. Too bad it had too end the way it did. If it hadn't been for those floor seats underneath a basket at the EMU-Ohio game I had yesterday it would have been the best game I saw. Otterbein gave them a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 08, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Wilmington is still in it for the 4th seed, its a long shot but with BW having to play John Carroll and Wilmington next week, any loss by BW the following week if they lost both this week could give Wilmington a chance at the 4th seed.  IF Wilmington were to beat BW next Saturday and they finished tied I think Wilmington gets the tie-breaker by beating Mt. Union at least once.  Wilmington probably has to run this table.........

OTTERBEIN
@ Baldwin-Wallace
@ Muskingum
MT. UNION

BW has this left
JOHN CARROLL
WILLMINGTON
@ Ohio Northern
@ Capital

BW lost to JCU earlier this year but has handled Wilmington, ONU and Capital without much trouble.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 10, 2015, 08:12:52 AM
Big midweek matchups:

JCU @ BW - Must win for the Streaks if they want to stay in the hunt for the regular season title.  Streaks turn around and host Marietta on Saturday, and then play Mount in a week.  Tough stretch for them.  If they go 0-3 in those games, they could be passed up by the Jackets for the 4th spot.  BW is trying to hold on to that 4th spot, so it is big for them as well.

MAR @ Mount - A Marietta win all but seals the deal for the regular season title, as it would essentially be a three game lead over Mount with the tiebreaker.  A Mount win makes it a race to the wire.  Is DeAllen Jackson good to go?  If he isn't it is a big blow to Mount.  Both teams will be up for this one.

ONU @ Berg - Either of these teams could end up in that 5th spot, or they could end up 7th.  Jockeying for position in the playoff bracket.

OTT @ WILM  - Strangely enough, with 4 games to play Otterbein is still "in" the hunt.  Wilmington can climb to the 4, but the Quakers need a lot of help from outside forces.

MUSK @ CAP - A Cap win means they split the season series, and then possibly tiebreakers.  A Muskie win and they have the sweep over the crusaders.  They are playing for a tournament spot, the one where you normally go on the road and get mashed upside the head by the top seed, but it is a chance to continue the season. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:41:32 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 11, 2015, 08:29:01 PM
Etta and Mount are scorching the nets!  Etta was 11-21 from deep in the 1st half while Mount was 13-20.  Mount up 62-59 w 16 min to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 11, 2015, 09:02:44 PM
Final from Alliance:  Mount 102, Etta 92

Great win for the Raiders.  The MAAC looked like it was packed and they got to see a good one.  Both teams continued shooting well as both squads finished 50%+ from 3 and the field.  They combined for 40 triples!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 12, 2015, 03:00:37 PM
Well if Mt. needed a big win this was it. Congrats raiders.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 12, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
BIG win for Mount.  both teams have a legit shot at playing in the NCAA Tournament.  Cap looks locked in at the 8 spot and the Crusaders are playing good ball at the right time.  Its; going to be a fun few weeks!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 12, 2015, 10:55:06 PM
Yikes.  Jarrett Ruffin almost broke his hand blocking this shot.  Good lord!

YouTube (http://youtu.be/Wl3c2PoF9k0)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 13, 2015, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 12, 2015, 10:55:06 PM
Yikes.  Jarrett Ruffin almost broke his hand blocking this shot.  Good lord!

YouTube (http://youtu.be/Wl3c2PoF9k0)
nice video, and to think there are still snob d1 fans (my school one of them) who don't think there are athletes in d3. Looked like a great crowd also.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 13, 2015, 09:29:09 AM
I realize Cap was playing the Muskies the other night but they not only played well but closed the deal as well. They shot lights out, 67% on the 3 point shot. It will be hard to repeat that especially against a top team but if they are anything close watch out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 14, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
John Carroll 86 Marietta 71

complicates the OAC and regional rankings

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 14, 2015, 06:34:19 PM
I believe Mount now heads to University Hts. Wednesday with a chance to pull ahead of Etta in the chase for the regular season title.  I would think that since they split head-to-head the next tie breaker would be record against the next best team which would be JCU.  A win Wednesday would give Mount the title via that sweep of the Streaks.  Someone correct me if that's incorrect though.

p.s. The anticlimactic ending would be an emotional victory at JCU followed by stumbling at Wilm.  Etta has Ott and ONU left so they're going 16-2.  Mount has to win out.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 15, 2015, 01:31:23 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 14, 2015, 06:34:19 PM
I believe Mount now heads to University Hts. Wednesday with a chance to pull ahead of Etta in the chase for the regular season title.  I would think that since they split head-to-head the next tie breaker would be record against the next best team which would be JCU.  A win Wednesday would give Mount the title via that sweep of the Streaks.

I believe you are correct.  A major shift in a short time as a week ago Marietta seemed to be in complete control.   The only thing we know about the tournament is BW will be the #4 seed. #1, 2, and 3 and 5, 6, 7, and 8 could go a multitude of ways.  We also know Muskingum and Otterbein will be at the bottom again this year.  The Cards lost their 11th in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 18, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
John Carroll 87 Mt. Union 81
Marietta 95  Otterbein 69

Marietta clinches a share of the OAC title.  At the moment I think JCU has the #2 seed over Mt. Union
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 19, 2015, 08:36:49 AM
The thing which could complicate a few things is the ONU/Wilmington positioning.  Right now Mount's loss to Wilmington (#5) is the tie breaker between them and JCU.  If Mount wins on Saturday (@WILM), ONU wins on Saturday the Quakers and the Bears (@MAR)  and JCU (@MUSK) wins on Saturday, there is now a three way tie for first, all of whom split against each other.

MAR 15-3
JCU  15-3
MOUNT 15-3
BW 10-7

WILM 8-10
ONU 8-10

MTU was 1-1 vs Wilmington and 2-0 vs. ONU
JCU was 2-0 vs. Wilmington and 1-1 vs. ONU
MAR was 2-0 vs Wilmington and would be 1-1 vs. ONU. 

Would ONU by virtue of their two wins against the top 3 be the higher seed?  If so, that might give Mount the top seed in the tournament, and who knows how you split the mess with MAR and JCU as their records against the rest of the league are identical. 

Marietta, of course, solves that problem by beating ONU and winning the thing out right. 

If the top 3 all win, I believe sac is correct, in that JCU would be the #2 seed as their 2-0 record against #5 WILM is better than Mount's 1-1 record. 

BW has clinched the 4th spot. 
5-8 are up for grabs.

WILM is currently 8-9, they host Mount.  A win puts them at 9-9 squarely in the 5 spot and a trip to Berea on Tuesday.  A loss combined with an ONU win and they tie the bears.  (JCU's result would figure in the tiebreaker see above).
ONU is currently 7-10.  They play at MAR.  A loss puts them at 7-11 a win puts them at 8-10, and potentially in a tie for 5th. 
Berg is currently 6-11.  They host a bad Otterbein team.  A win puts them at 7-11, a loss at 6-12.
Cap is currently 6-11.  They host BW.  A win puts them at 7-11, a loss puts them at 6-12.  two 6-12 teams gets pretty murky as well, as results of the Saturday games will impact the pairings. 

MUSK and OTT are eliminated. 

Marietta should beat the Polar Bears.  (MAR won in Ada by 10)
JCU has the easiest opponent of the top three, and should beat Muskingum. (JCU won at home by 22)
Mount should beat Wilmington (although the Quakers grabbed a 1 point win in alliance)
BW should beat Capital (BW won by 15 in Berea)
Berg should beat Otterbein.

(I know really hard picking the better teams to win all five games right)

If this happens,

The seeding should work out like this

1.  Marietta 16-2
2.  JCU 15-3 (wins the tie because of Mount's loss to WILM)
3.  Mount 15-3
4. BW 11-7
5. WILM 8-10
6. ONU 7-11 (wins the tie by virtue of their win against JCU)
7. Berg 7-11
8. Cap. 6-12

The bracket looks like this
CAP @ MAR
                   ---Winner
WILM @ BW
                                  ---Semi final Winners
Berg @ JCU
                    ---Winner
ONU @ Mount
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 19, 2015, 08:53:41 AM
Congratulations to Marietta on clinching a share of the OAC title.  The bad news for Marietta if they are the #1 seed is Capital is the #8 and is playing very well right now.  Mt and JCU will have to battle it out int he tournament to see who gets a shot at 'Etta in the championship if the Pioneers survive.  ONU, Wilmington, Berg, and BW are a mess in the middle.  Nobody of that group emerged as a real threat to the Big 3.  Musky and Otterbein have been eliminated again and need complete overhauls.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 19, 2015, 11:46:46 AM
True but Capital would need to beat the 5 seed AND the 4 seed before getting the opportunity play Marietta and it would be their 3rd game in 4 days and 4th game in 6 days.

Tournament Schedule
1st Round - Monday, Feb. 23
No. 8 at No. 5
No. 7 at  No. 6

2nd Round - Tuesday, Feb. 24
No. 6/7 at No. 3
No. 5/8 at No. 4

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 26
No. 3/6/7 at No. 2
No. 5/8/4 at No. 1
 
Finals - Saturday, February 28
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 19, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 19, 2015, 11:46:46 AM
True but Capital would need to beat the 5 seed AND the 4 seed before getting the opportunity play Marietta and it would be their 3rd game in 4 days and 4th game in 6 days.

Tournament Schedule
1st Round - Monday, Feb. 23
No. 8 at No. 5
No. 7 at  No. 6

2nd Round - Tuesday, Feb. 24
No. 6/7 at No. 3
No. 5/8 at No. 4

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 26
No. 3/6/7 at No. 2
No. 5/8/4 at No. 1
 
Finals - Saturday, February 28

The OAC has gone back to a traditional 8 team tournament format.  1v8, 2v7 etc

http://oac.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/2015Tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 19, 2015, 01:34:03 PM
Thanks for the update.  Oddly, I cut and pasted that schedule from the OAC website just this morning so someone was misinformed.  My apologies. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 19, 2015, 04:12:50 PM
I liked the format which sent the top two seeds directly to the semi-finals.  It seems like an appropriate reward for their regular season successes.

As it stands, I will hopefully get to see three more home games next week. 

Marietta still sits atop of the regional rankings, even following two losses.  JCU and Mount are both in the group this week which doesn't include the results from last night. 

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/19/second-regional-rankings-released-thursday/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/19/second-regional-rankings-released-thursday/)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2015, 04:04:15 PM
Mount leads at Wilm 39-31 at half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 21, 2015, 04:57:09 PM
Ohio Northern and Marietta is postponed, I assume that's made up tomorrow.  If not, would they play this on Monday since a share of the conference title is still in doubt?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2015, 06:34:17 PM
Both Etta and JCU are supposed to play tomorrow afternoon it looks like.

Mount took care of business beating Wilm 74-71.  They survived a 2nd straight 20 turnover effort with Wilm being +13 in that category today.  Ruffin seemed to be in foul trouble and only played 16 minutes attempting 1 shot.  Griffin shot well and topped the Raiders with 17. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 22, 2015, 05:37:37 PM
Both marietta and jcu wn today. So the matchup for Tuesday are (copied and pasted from the OAC website.)

2015 OAC Men's Basketball Tournament
Posted: Feb 17, 2015

Quarterfinals - Tuesday, Feb. 24

•No. 8  Capital (6-12) at No. 1 Marietta (16-2)-7:30
•No. 7 Heidelberg (7-11) at  No. 2 John Carroll (15-3)-7:30
•No. 6 Ohio Northern (7-11) at No. 3 Mount Union (15-3)-7:30
•No. 5 Wilmington (8-10) at No. 4 Baldwin Wallace (11-7)-8:00

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 26 (at higher seed) All game times 7:30, unless double header

•No. 1/8 vs. No. 4/5
•No. 2/7 vs. No. 3/6

Finals- Saturday, Feb. 28
•2nd Round winners will play at highest remaining seed
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 24, 2015, 08:44:49 PM
Mount is hammering ONU 70-41 w 12 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 24, 2015, 09:12:10 PM
Marietta 78  Capital 55    --it was tied at 43 with 12:30 to play

John Carroll 75  Heidelberg 66
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 24, 2015, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: sac on February 24, 2015, 09:12:10 PM
Marietta 78  Capital 55    --it was tied at 43 with 12:30 to play

John Carroll 75  Heidelberg 66

Cap played tough. Strangely officiated game. Brutal mugging one minute with no calls and Ricky tack touch whistles the next.

BW wins 71-67 and will make the trek to marietta on Thursday.

Marietta must shoot better if they want to win on thursday
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 26, 2015, 09:00:10 AM
Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 26, 2015
No. 4 Baldwin Wallace at No. 1 Marietta - 7:30
No. 3 Mount Union at No. 2 John Carroll  - 8:00

I think the home teams will prevail tonight, FWIW.

Breaking down the numbers for the purposes of predicting NCAA tournament probabilities, it seems pretty safe that Marietta will be playing next week regardless of whether they win the OAC tournament or not.  I think a win tonight over BW makes them almost a sure thing but they could likely afford a loss tonight as well without ruining their at-large chances.

As for Mount Union and John Carroll, the loser of tonight's game is done for the season, without question in my opinion.  I cannot envision a Pool C scenario in which tonight's loser is given a Pool C bid over tonight's winner.  This is especially true if tonight's winner goes on to win the OAC championship against (I would assume) Marietta.  In that scenario, tonight's loser would need to be picked over or in addition to Marietta and the numbers do not support that, either.  The OAC has little chance of getting two teams in and no chance of getting three teams in.  In fact, it is my opinion that the best way for the OAC to get two teams in would be if the OAC champ/Pool A is NOT Marietta.  If it's Marietta as champ, then tonight's winner will be on the bubble and cheering hard for the favorites in the other conferences the rest of the way.

In short, Mount and JCU better win their next two if they want to be playing next week.  Tonight's winner would have a chance of getting in "off the bubble" but it is not a chance I would want to take.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 26, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
I think you are probably correct when you say this.  It could be a two bid league, but it is unlikely unless Marietta is a Pool C. 

I didn't really get to see JCU play this year, so I can't offer much in the way of intelligent opinion on them.

I will say that Mount Union is the second best team I've seen play this season.  They can really shoot it.

Marietta has to shoot it better tonight.  They can't shoot <35% for the first 30 minutes like they did against Cap and hope to come out on top against a much better BW team. 

The last matchup between BW and Marietta was as intense as it comes.  They have presold tickets to both of these games.  Tuesday's crowd was OK.  I would expect a stronger showing tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on February 26, 2015, 02:39:27 PM
Just saw on HoopDirt.com that Coach Adrian is out at Otterbein. 
http://hoopdirt.com/blog/b141cbf8/hot-rumor-adrian-out-at-otterbein/
Does this surprise anyone? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2015, 03:01:22 PM
The Otterbein coaching staff page appears to confirm the rumor...

http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/coaches.aspx?path=mbball&
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 26, 2015, 04:34:43 PM
That is a program which has struggled to find its way since Dick Reynolds retired.  They were not just bad this year, they were really bad.

Not a real surprise.

The other one which won't surprise me is if Gene Ford is dismissed at Muskingum.  Guy is a legend in the Ohio High School ranks, but he has not done well at Muskingum. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 26, 2015, 09:52:42 PM
Marietta survives and advances.

The Roth kid from bw is ridiculous. He probably should be the player of the year in the oac.  He had to work for everything he got tonight.

Mount wins by 1 in ot.

Should be a dandy on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on February 27, 2015, 07:41:24 AM
It's now official at Otterbein. They are saying that Adrian "resigned".
http://hoopdirt.com/news/9625fb4a/official-otterbeins-adrian-resigns/

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 27, 2015, 08:09:12 AM
Some thoughts on last night's Marietta vs. BW tilt....

The Roth kid, as mentioned before, is just ridiculous.  He had 6 points at the half and hadn't really had a good look the entire first frame.  I thought Marietta defended him very well all night long, but I was worried when the Pioneers trailed at the break and Roth hadn't done a whole lot.  It took him a while to get going in the second half as well, but when he did, he did so with gusto.  In a league where minutes are spread out and nobody really dominates the stat sheet (11-12 points per game seems to be the norm), Justin Roth with his 18 points per game is worthy of notice.  He can flat out score. He probably should be the player of the year in the OAC. 

With all of that said, Marietta did a good job defending him.  Roth's line was this, 8-26 from the floor, and 5-7 from the line.  He was 3-16 from behind the arc, and by behind I mean really behind.  Many of his three point attempts were from 3ft+ behind the line.  Marietta used Dollman and Garcia on him all night, and those two young men did a terrific job of keeping him at bay.

If Roth isn't the player of the year, it would be hard not to think RaNeal Ewing is one of the other leading candidates for the honor (DeAllen Jackson from Mount would be my third choice).  He is most often times the best athlete on the floor.  He also has a tremendous ability to score.  Last night might have been one of his better defensive efforts.  He rebounds extremely well (11 bourads last night).  His breakaway dunk  was a significant momentum changer (not to mention the fact it blew the roof off of the gym).  There really hasn't been a team, yet, who has been able to stop him.  He shoots from the outside, and he is devastating off the bounce.  He is likely a first team all OAC guy (at worst). 

BW came to play.  In the first stanza they outhustled Marietta.  They won most of the 50-50 balls.  They were aggressive on the offensive glass.  They brought the fight to the top seed.  It was similar in the last match up.  In the end they just didn't make enough shots.  They were +2 in rebounds (only the third time Marietta has been outrebounded this season).  But the Jackets were a dismal 37.5% from the floor, and an even worse 24.2% from behind the arc. 

The atmosphere was incredible.  It wasn't quite a full house (I look for Saturday's game to be a sellout) but it was pretty full.  And when the Pioneers stormed back into the lead, the place was deafening.  It hasn't been that long ago when you could hear a pin drop at the Banjo.  Not this year.

Saturday's matchup with Mount should be really fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2015, 07:40:22 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 26, 2015, 04:34:43 PM
That is a program which has struggled to find its way since Dick Reynolds retired.  They were not just bad this year, they were really bad.

Not a real surprise.

The other one which won't surprise me is if Gene Ford is dismissed at Muskingum.  Guy is a legend in the Ohio High School ranks, but he has not done well at Muskingum.

Otterbein has struggled for pretty much the last decade, most of which was Reynolds at the helm.  Not as bad as Adrian's tenure, but not good. If you do a side-by-side comparison of Cap and Ott over the last 10 years it's jarring.  Cap had really kind of left them in the rear view mirror in terms on the OAC program to beat in central OH.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:39:45 AM
I have only been following d3 ball for about 8 years so I will ask this of others here.  Do you think the rise of Cap and the drop in Otterbein has anything to do with the facilities of the schools Pardon me for not knowing when the Cap Center was opened but it is one of the nicer places I have been, second or third in small college gyms to only Mt. Vernon Nazarene. Now I admit I have only seen gyms in Ohio and not all of them but Cap certainly is first class and Otterbein is not much to market the program with.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 28, 2015, 09:19:24 AM
It could be a classic tonight in Marietta.  Mount needs to win to get in the NCAA's.  Marietta is in no matter the outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2015, 05:06:50 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:39:45 AM
I have only been following d3 ball for about 8 years so I will ask this of others here.  Do you think the rise of Cap and the drop in Otterbein has anything to do with the facilities of the schools Pardon me for not knowing when the Cap Center was opened but it is one of the nicer places I have been, second or third in small college gyms to only Mt. Vernon Nazarene. Now I admit I have only seen gyms in Ohio and not all of them but Cap certainly is first class and Otterbein is not much to market the program with.

The Capital Center opened when I was almost done with school so probably 2001 or 2002?  I remember seeing it when we went to Cap and being jealous.  It's very nice. 

As I've said before, Damon Goodwin is a good coach and he's well respected by the HS coaches in central OH from what I've heard.  Plus he's younger than Reynolds and that went a long way too with HS kids I'm sure.  Mount has seen a big jump in the talent level since Fuline came to town.  He's a younger, passionate guy.  That resonates with a lot of kids.  And I think that's also the good news for Ott.  If they hire a young, up and coming HC (preferably with ties to central OH) they can turn it around quickly.

I have to wonder if former Buckeye Tony Stockman would have any interest.  He's just down in Circleville at Ohio Christian and he's done a nice job there as HC.  And believe me, you think it's hard to recruit to play in the Rike Center try convincing a kid to come to Circleville.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2015, 05:06:50 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:39:45 AM
I have only been following d3 ball for about 8 years so I will ask this of others here.  Do you think the rise of Cap and the drop in Otterbein has anything to do with the facilities of the schools Pardon me for not knowing when the Cap Center was opened but it is one of the nicer places I have been, second or third in small college gyms to only Mt. Vernon Nazarene. Now I admit I have only seen gyms in Ohio and not all of them but Cap certainly is first class and Otterbein is not much to market the program with.

The Capital Center opened when I was almost done with school so probably 2001 or 2002?  I remember seeing it when we went to Cap and being jealous.  It's very nice. 

As I've said before, Damon Goodwin is a good coach and he's well respected by the HS coaches in central OH from what I've heard.  Plus he's younger than Reynolds and that went a long way too with HS kids I'm sure.  Mount has seen a big jump in the talent level since Fuline came to town.  He's a younger, passionate guy.  That resonates with a lot of kids.  And I think that's also the good news for Ott.  If they hire a young, up and coming HC (preferably with ties to central OH) they can turn it around quickly.

I have to wonder if former Buckeye Tony Stockman would have any interest.  He's just down in Circleville at Ohio Christian and he's done a nice job there as HC.  And believe me, you think it's hard to recruit to play in the Rike Center try convincing a kid to come to Circleville.
Ah come on Dr. I have been to OCU a few times this year. I have always enjoyed going to church to watch a basketball game. Nothing compares to that rats nest at Urbana though. Terrible place to watch a game and with the financial problems at that school it isn't getting any better soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: joelmama on February 28, 2015, 09:09:28 PM
Mount played well down the stretch tonight.  Clutch foul shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on February 28, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
Congrats to the Purple Raiders!  OAC is sure to get two teams in the NCAA tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2015, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: joelmama on February 28, 2015, 09:09:28 PM
Mount played well down the stretch tonight.  Clutch foul shooting.

It's a good sign that DeAllen Jackson (So) was tournament MVP and JJ Kukura (Fr) poured in a team high 21 tonight including burying two enormous FT with 3 sec left to make it a 2 possession game.  Those are arguably the biggest FT in the last 2 decades to Mount hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 01, 2015, 08:08:18 AM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2015, 05:06:50 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:39:45 AM
I have only been following d3 ball for about 8 years so I will ask this of others here.  Do you think the rise of Cap and the drop in Otterbein has anything to do with the facilities of the schools Pardon me for not knowing when the Cap Center was opened but it is one of the nicer places I have been, second or third in small college gyms to only Mt. Vernon Nazarene. Now I admit I have only seen gyms in Ohio and not all of them but Cap certainly is first class and Otterbein is not much to market the program with.

The Capital Center opened when I was almost done with school so probably 2001 or 2002?  I remember seeing it when we went to Cap and being jealous.  It's very nice. 

As I've said before, Damon Goodwin is a good coach and he's well respected by the HS coaches in central OH from what I've heard.  Plus he's younger than Reynolds and that went a long way too with HS kids I'm sure.  Mount has seen a big jump in the talent level since Fuline came to town.  He's a younger, passionate guy.  That resonates with a lot of kids.  And I think that's also the good news for Ott.  If they hire a young, up and coming HC (preferably with ties to central OH) they can turn it around quickly.

I have to wonder if former Buckeye Tony Stockman would have any interest.  He's just down in Circleville at Ohio Christian and he's done a nice job there as HC.  And believe me, you think it's hard to recruit to play in the Rike Center try convincing a kid to come to Circleville.
Ah come on Dr. I have been to OCU a few times this year. I have always enjoyed going to church to watch a basketball game. Nothing compares to that rats nest at Urbana though. Terrible place to watch a game and with the financial problems at that school it isn't getting any better soon.

I haven't had the pleasure of visiting Urbana's gym.  I've been to a baseball tournament there, but it's hard to have an awful looking baseball field as long as they have a lawn mower and a rake!  Haha.  That was not an impressive campus though so I can only imagine what their indoor athletics facilities are like. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 01, 2015, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 01, 2015, 08:08:18 AM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2015, 05:06:50 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on February 28, 2015, 08:39:45 AM
I have only been following d3 ball for about 8 years so I will ask this of others here.  Do you think the rise of Cap and the drop in Otterbein has anything to do with the facilities of the schools Pardon me for not knowing when the Cap Center was opened but it is one of the nicer places I have been, second or third in small college gyms to only Mt. Vernon Nazarene. Now I admit I have only seen gyms in Ohio and not all of them but Cap certainly is first class and Otterbein is not much to market the program with.

The Capital Center opened when I was almost done with school so probably 2001 or 2002?  I remember seeing it when we went to Cap and being jealous.  It's very nice. 

As I've said before, Damon Goodwin is a good coach and he's well respected by the HS coaches in central OH from what I've heard.  Plus he's younger than Reynolds and that went a long way too with HS kids I'm sure.  Mount has seen a big jump in the talent level since Fuline came to town.  He's a younger, passionate guy.  That resonates with a lot of kids.  And I think that's also the good news for Ott.  If they hire a young, up and coming HC (preferably with ties to central OH) they can turn it around quickly.

I have to wonder if former Buckeye Tony Stockman would have any interest.  He's just down in Circleville at Ohio Christian and he's done a nice job there as HC.  And believe me, you think it's hard to recruit to play in the Rike Center try convincing a kid to come to Circleville.
Ah come on Dr. I have been to OCU a few times this year. I have always enjoyed going to church to watch a basketball game. Nothing compares to that rats nest at Urbana though. Terrible place to watch a game and with the financial problems at that school it isn't getting any better soon.

I haven't had the pleasure of visiting Urbana's gym.  I've been to a baseball tournament there, but it's hard to have an awful looking baseball field as long as they have a lawn mower and a rake!  Haha.  That was not an impressive campus though so I can only imagine what their indoor athletics facilities are like.
Well I have been to a lot of different campuses in Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Indiana. I thought Wayne State in Detroit was the worst I had been too until I toured Urbana. Oh well congrats to Mt. Union for their great win in a great game to watch on the net anyway. Must have been some atmosphere in the packed house at Marietta. I am assuming Marietta will get a at large bid (we all know what assumption is the mother of though). I am guessing that Wooster from the NCAC will be out this year. Hard to believe they would get a spot over the Pioneers. Will Marietta or Mt. Union get the first weekend at home though? Oh Dr. , have you been to Capital's baseball field?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 01, 2015, 09:53:55 AM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on March 01, 2015, 09:21:38 AM
Oh Dr. , have you been to Capital's baseball field?

I've been Clowson many times.  I played there 15 yrs ago when I was at Mount and I go every time Mount is in town since I live in Columbus.  They've done a lot to improve that place, but unfortunately they haven't figured out how to pick it up and move it from the ghetto to Bexley.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 01, 2015, 11:46:09 AM
The field itself is nice but it is a terrible place to watch. A berm surrounds the field. Every time I have gone, I have ended up standing for the entire game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 01, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
The 3 best college fields I have seen are  these. 1. Ohio Dominican 2. Michigan 3. Wayne State (built like Fenway Park complete with green monster in left field).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on March 01, 2015, 08:54:44 PM
While I like OD's field, of those three I would flop OD and Michigan. I have watched my son play in both. When he was  playing travel, OD was his home field.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on March 02, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
Congrats to Mount Union on their Tourney victory.  I'm disappointed that Marietta wasn't a little better defensively and missed too many easy looks (which is the difference in the game).  You let a team shoot 55% from the floor, you will struggle to beat them. 

Now just waiting to see what happens with the selection. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on March 02, 2015, 01:07:34 PM
The OAC gets three teams in the tournament!  Congrats to all.  Mount Union and Marietta with favorable draws and could do some damage.  It looks like Marietta vs Wooster in the second round!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on March 02, 2015, 01:22:43 PM
Nice to see both Marietta and Mount Union hosting games.  I am surprised to see JCU in the mix. 

As a Marietta guy, I like having Wooster coming to town. 

Should be a good weekend for shooty hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 02, 2015, 02:17:33 PM
So glad I was wrong about the OAC getting three teams in.  Heading into the semifinals, I was sure that Marietta was in either way and Thursday night's loser in the JCU-Mount Union game was out while the winner was likely in.  Again, glad my (limited) analysis was wrong.  I don't think the OAC has put three teams in the tourney since 1999 and have only done it two other times (1995 and 1996 (when they actually put four in the tournament)).  If the top of the OAC was as strong as I think it was this year (although the bottom was as bad as I can remember), I think all three teams could make some noise.  The bracket, however, certainly makes that easier to accomplish for Etta and Mount . . .as it should.  Well deserved draws and hosting privileges for Mount and Etta.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 02, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
Awesome news about JCU!  Good luck to all our squads.  Carry that OAC banner!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 02, 2015, 09:50:03 PM
Gene Ford has retired from Muskingum.   http://www.daily-jeff.com/local%20sports/2015/03/02/gene-ford-retires-ends-38-year-coaching-career


Is Jay Burson still in coaching and would he be interested?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 03, 2015, 09:14:52 AM
The only current information that I can find about Jay Burson is a staff bio on the 97.1 THEFAN website.  It does not indicate that he is coaching but my research was far from exhaustive. 

If Muskingum wants to go the high school route, I would think that Scott Aronhalt, Zanesville's head coach, might be interested.  Like Gene Ford nearly 10 year ago, you would think that he would be able to retire, collect his STRS pension and coach at Muskingum for supplemental income.  Another choice might be New Philadelphia's Chad Spurgeon, an excellent young coach who I think might be tempted by college ball.  Of course after Gene Ford, they may want to get someone with college experience, presumably an assistant coach from another Midwest small college.  In that direction, the possibilities are endless. 

I find it hard to believe that Muskingum would be able to attract an up and comer with head coaching experience.  To land someone with head coaching experience, you would have to assume Muskingum would be getting a recently fired coach or a coach with a very mediocre record as it just does not seem to me to be an attractive job -- very little recruiting possibilities in your immediate area, average facility, average college in a small town and not known to throw money at coaches.

Otterbein is in the much better position, in my opinion, to get a high quality coach based on geography alone.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 03, 2015, 01:44:22 PM
Aronhalt would be interesting.  He also has applied for numerous other high school HC positions so it's clear he's definitely not married to Zanesville.

The problem, IMO, is that you're just not set up for success at Musky.  The ceiling there may well be .500 in the OAC for the reasons Onward On mentioned.  I think your best case scenario is ending up like their baseball program.  Gregg Thompson does a very nice job and they still bounce around usually between 5th-8th place most years, but they're no pushovers.  They're competitive.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on March 03, 2015, 02:12:33 PM
funny thing, many of those same things could have been said (and probably were said) about Marietta's Basketball team prior to Vanderwal's arrival.  The facility got an upgrade at some point (don't remember exactly when, and I'm too lazy too look right now).   There is little along the way of a basketball recruiting base here in SE Ohio.  At least Muskingum is an hour closer to the Columbus area, and the Zanesville/Cambridge area has been a decent basketball area for a LONG time.  Souteastern Ohio....Not so much. 

Now in the past five years, Marietta has finished in the top 4 of the OAC each of those years, won the regular season crown twice, and the conference tournament twice.  They will likely be one of the top three teams in the OAC next year as well (only lose two seniors who have made significant contributions this season). 

I don't know if you find someone with head coaching experience or not.  But at least someone who was the #1 assistant somewhere (who gets and understands how to run a DIII college  program).  The only limitations one imposes on success are those which are self imposed.  Muskingum can find a quality guy who can win there, and compete for the conference crown each year.  It isn't like football and to a recently lesser extent baseball where there is one dominant name and everyone else vying for the table scraps.   The OAC basketball group doesn't have a dominant program.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 03, 2015, 02:13:09 PM
As to Aronhalt, I know, in the last 15 years, he has applied for the Jackson job (twice), the McKinley job and a job in suburban Columbus.  However, he always went back to Zanesville after they sweetened his deal.  I wonder if that was his plan all along.  That is why I focused on his age.  If he can retire, collect his pension and take the Muskingum job, it might be the right time to do something different.  No idea, just guessing.  Incidentally, Aronhalt was offered the Jackson job and turned it down when none other than current Mount Union Head Coach Mike Fuline was hired.  I remember how classy Fuline was about being runner-up saying something along the lines of "If I was in their shoes I would have wanted Coach Aronhalt, too.  But since it did not work out, I have am happy to get the opportunity."  That impressed me.

As for Muskingum and the possibility of success, I would have said the same thing about Marietta 7-8 years ago when they won like 3 or 4 OAC games combined.  New coach, some impact players . . . bam . . .they're in the Sweet Sixteen two years later.  I think you can win there but I do think, like Marietta, the deck is stacked against you a bit.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 04, 2015, 05:21:03 PM
A comment was made in jest on the Ohio message board that if Wooster plays Marietta they should move it to the convo in Athens.  Too bad that isn't possible for as I said a Wooster-Marietta game would probably draw a bigger crowd then the two Ohio games this weekend put together. Considering the crowd Marietta brought for the exhibition in Athens it might just sell out. Oh well not possible due to prior commitments. Good luck to both the Scotts and Pioneers, would love to see them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 08:07:14 AM
Last night went fairly well for the OAC.  Our two home teams routed their opponents setting up a chance for each to punch a Sweet 16 ticket tonight.  JCU fell to VA Wesleyan 101-86.  Considering VAW is ranked #9 I can't say that's a disappointment really even if I was pulling for the Streaks.

Mount hosts Calvin tonight.  If they shoot like they did last night they should win.  But that Wooster/Etta game is the prime time game even to me.  That should be a fun one.  Good luck to the Raiders and the Pios!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 07, 2015, 10:14:45 AM
get your tickets early for Wooster-Marietta. I'll be watching on the net. Good luck to both teams, my Bobcats finally played a decent game last night so I will be happy just watching a great game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: NCACZip on March 07, 2015, 11:14:02 AM
Even with Etta students being on spring break, It'll still be a packed gym tonight. Going to be a great environment, and hopefully a great game!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Jarret Ruffin had another highlight reel dunk last night. Good lord.

Ruffin dunk (http://youtu.be/9bZRfkgSuyw)

p.s. It's worth it just to hear the student radio guy go nuts. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
What a finish on the river.  Down to the wire, Wooster misses a clean look at a 3 to win it at the buzzer and Etta advances 88-86!  Ewing got to the basket far too easily the last couple of minutes.  Woo just didn't have anyone to stop him when they needed it.

Mount advanced with a 81-69 win over Calvin.  First sweet 16 since 1997.  Keep it going guys!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on March 08, 2015, 09:40:09 AM
What a great game between Marietta and Wooster. What a great atmosphere. Even though the students are on spring break, the local community support was strong. 

To me the incredible thing about this game is the way both teams finished down the stretch. From the 8:35 mark in the second half Wooster had the ball 14 times.  They scored on 11 of those 14 possessions, including three threes.  Marietta had the ball 12 times and scored on all 12. They never missed a shot in the final 8 minutes. Watching those two teams trade and land punches was a thing of beauty.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bufordscot on March 09, 2015, 07:24:46 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on March 08, 2015, 09:40:09 AM
What a great game between Marietta and Wooster. What a great atmosphere. Even though the students are on spring break, the local community support was strong. 

To me the incredible thing about this game is the way both teams finished down the stretch. From the 8:35 mark in the second half Wooster had the ball 14 times.  They scored on 11 of those 14 possessions, including three threes.  Marietta had the ball 12 times and scored on all 12. They never missed a shot in the final 8 minutes. Watching those two teams trade and land punches was a thing of beauty.

Couldn't agree more.  Great game.  Best of luck going forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 09, 2015, 08:13:44 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Jarret Ruffin had another highlight reel dunk last night. Good lord.

Ruffin dunk (http://youtu.be/9bZRfkgSuyw)

p.s. It's worth it just to hear the student radio guy go nuts.
"Holy cow", and some d1 folks (Ohio) still want to say their are no athletes in d3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 09, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
Wouldn't it be great to have the Raiders and Pioneers play one more time?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2015, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Jarret Ruffin had another highlight reel dunk last night. Good lord.

Ruffin dunk (http://youtu.be/9bZRfkgSuyw)

p.s. It's worth it just to hear the student radio guy go nuts.

Go nuts is right!  It was a sweet dunk to be sure ("dunk of the decade!"), but Andre Norris (remember that name - he is a junior and could be a national POY candidate next year) of Dubuque had TWO 'Alley Oop' dunks Friday night against IWU that were even better!  Unfortunately for him and Dubuque, on the first one (trying to change the momentum as IWU was starting to pull away) he slammed it into the back of the rim for a resounding miss; the second was super-sweet but was too little, too late to rally his team.

(Alas, I'm a novice on most social media - there probably is video out there somewhere, but I haven't found it. :-[)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 09, 2015, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on March 09, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
Wouldn't it be great to have the Raiders and Pioneers play one more time?

Considering the venue and the respective opponents I think Mount certainly has the bigger hurdle to clear to make that happen.  I think Etta is the favorite while Mount is a decided underdog.  That being said it would certainly be poetic that they clash for the OAC title and rematch for a trip to the Final Four. 

It could be a big weekend in Alliance with a possible trip to the Final Four on the line as well as a good shot at a men's indoor track national title.  Good luck to both Raider teams and Etta too! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2015, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2015, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Jarret Ruffin had another highlight reel dunk last night. Good lord.

Ruffin dunk (http://youtu.be/9bZRfkgSuyw)

p.s. It's worth it just to hear the student radio guy go nuts.

Go nuts is right!  It was a sweet dunk to be sure ("dunk of the decade!"), but Andre Norris (remember that name - he is a junior and could be a national POY candidate next year) of Dubuque had TWO 'Alley Oop' dunks Friday night against IWU that were even better!  Unfortunately for him and Dubuque, on the first one (trying to change the momentum as IWU was starting to pull away) he slammed it into the back of the rim for a resounding miss; the second was super-sweet but was too little, too late to rally his team.

Seriously, Chuck? You're declaring a missed dunk to be better than a made dunk?

(A successful dunk may only count for two points, but it counts for more than a botched one. ;) )
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2015, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2015, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2015, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Jarret Ruffin had another highlight reel dunk last night. Good lord.

Ruffin dunk (http://youtu.be/9bZRfkgSuyw)

p.s. It's worth it just to hear the student radio guy go nuts.

Go nuts is right!  It was a sweet dunk to be sure ("dunk of the decade!"), but Andre Norris (remember that name - he is a junior and could be a national POY candidate next year) of Dubuque had TWO 'Alley Oop' dunks Friday night against IWU that were even better!  Unfortunately for him and Dubuque, on the first one (trying to change the momentum as IWU was starting to pull away) he slammed it into the back of the rim for a resounding miss; the second was super-sweet but was too little, too late to rally his team.

Seriously, Chuck? You're declaring a missed dunk to be better than a made dunk?

(A successful dunk may only count for two points, but it counts for more than a botched one. ;) )

Ah, but Greg, you're confusing scoreboard points with style points! :o ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on March 10, 2015, 10:40:34 PM
DePauw had Augie on the ropes.   Mount will not be a decided underdog.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2015, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2015, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2015, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2015, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Jarret Ruffin had another highlight reel dunk last night. Good lord.

Ruffin dunk (http://youtu.be/9bZRfkgSuyw)

p.s. It's worth it just to hear the student radio guy go nuts.

Go nuts is right!  It was a sweet dunk to be sure ("dunk of the decade!"), but Andre Norris (remember that name - he is a junior and could be a national POY candidate next year) of Dubuque had TWO 'Alley Oop' dunks Friday night against IWU that were even better!  Unfortunately for him and Dubuque, on the first one (trying to change the momentum as IWU was starting to pull away) he slammed it into the back of the rim for a resounding miss; the second was super-sweet but was too little, too late to rally his team.

Seriously, Chuck? You're declaring a missed dunk to be better than a made dunk?

(A successful dunk may only count for two points, but it counts for more than a botched one. ;) )

Ah, but Greg, you're confusing scoreboard points with style points! :o ;D

How in the world is it stylish to blow a dunk?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on March 11, 2015, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2015, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2015, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2015, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2015, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Jarret Ruffin had another highlight reel dunk last night. Good lord.

Ruffin dunk (http://youtu.be/9bZRfkgSuyw)

p.s. It's worth it just to hear the student radio guy go nuts.

Go nuts is right!  It was a sweet dunk to be sure ("dunk of the decade!"), but Andre Norris (remember that name - he is a junior and could be a national POY candidate next year) of Dubuque had TWO 'Alley Oop' dunks Friday night against IWU that were even better!  Unfortunately for him and Dubuque, on the first one (trying to change the momentum as IWU was starting to pull away) he slammed it into the back of the rim for a resounding miss; the second was super-sweet but was too little, too late to rally his team.

Seriously, Chuck? You're declaring a missed dunk to be better than a made dunk?

(A successful dunk may only count for two points, but it counts for more than a botched one. ;) )

Ah, but Greg, you're confusing scoreboard points with style points! :o ;D

How in the world is it stylish to blow a dunk?
A Dunk may only count two points but style points = 0  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on March 12, 2015, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 09, 2015, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on March 09, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
Wouldn't it be great to have the Raiders and Pioneers play one more time?

Considering the venue and the respective opponents I think Mount certainly has the bigger hurdle to clear to make that happen.  I think Etta is the favorite while Mount is a decided underdog.   

Taking into account just the last few games,,,I think Mount has a very good chance and Etta may be the tossup. Mount sailed through the OAC tourney and has looked strong since. Etta has struggled although Wooster was a strong opponent. I throw out the Top 25 at this point and look at how they are playig today. I do hope to an OAC rematch
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 12, 2015, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2015, 10:41:59 PM
How in the world is it stylish to blow a dunk?

Victor Oladipo ladies and gentlemen.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJDRacwF8tU&t
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 12, 2015, 05:47:24 PM
Great athleticism, but hardly stylish. I see a guy who made a herculean effort in midair to catch a pass thrown behind him who, nevertheless, couldn't finish the play.

Success is a necessary ingredient of style.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on March 13, 2015, 07:11:11 PM
First Quarter St O's spanking Etta. They are easily the most misranked team in the bracket
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: joelmama on March 13, 2015, 07:54:15 PM
Marietta comes back up 5 with 4:30 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2015, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: joelmama on March 13, 2015, 07:54:15 PM
Marietta A.J. Edwards comes back up 5 with 4:30 to go.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on March 13, 2015, 07:57:42 PM
Etta getting sloppy and slipping back towards St 0. Anybody's game
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: joelmama on March 13, 2015, 08:01:13 PM
probably comes down to the last possession
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on March 13, 2015, 08:08:03 PM
Looks like Etta pullls it out, on to the main event
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: joelmama on March 13, 2015, 08:08:04 PM
I was wrong about the last possession but Marietta has it now. 16 seconds up 6
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on March 13, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
way to go Pioneers, now let's go Raiders. One more time, one more time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on March 13, 2015, 11:05:29 PM
Great comeback for the Pioneers - on to the Elite 8! Congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 13, 2015, 11:34:14 PM
Great season for my Raiders!  Tons to talent returning.  Fuline is building the program.

Go get em Etta!  Best of luck to the Pios!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 13, 2015, 11:39:27 PM
And thank you to Stevie Griffin and Nate Jacubec.  Fuline's first two recruits who bought into building Mount into a legit basketball program.  Their grit and leadership helped get this team to the Sweet 16 and set the stage for bigger things in the future.  Those guys laid the foundation.  I hope they take pride in Mount's future success because they started that momentum.  Good luck in the future and thank you for believing in the program and Coach Fuline.  All Mount fans should thank those two.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on March 14, 2015, 09:24:35 PM
 Given Etta's performance against Agustana, I have an even greater repect for this year's Raider team. Lets move them up from 19th to say 10-11
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 15, 2015, 10:20:54 AM
Wow.  I just checked the box score.  Augie shot the lights out and Etta shot very poorly.  That one was over at halftime.  I didn't see that one coming.  Still a great run and season for Etta.  They'll be good again next year as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2015, 07:27:57 PM
Congratulations to Mike Fuline on being named D3hoops.com Great Lakes Region COY!  Well deserved.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RoyalPurple on March 25, 2015, 02:31:26 PM
Etta finishes ranked above Mount?????????????????
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 29, 2015, 08:02:45 PM
I think looking at those two in a vacuum Mount should certainly be ranked higher.  But the voters can't look at every team that closely.  Etta made it to the Elite 8 and they're ranked 8 basically illustrating that the voters think they're the worst of those 8.  Makes sense to me.  And Mount moved up 5 spots so they got a pat on the back.  Works for me.  On to next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ohigy on March 30, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
I think Mount and Marietta both proved on the court how good they are.  Do the "rankings" really matter?  I am sure fans, coaches, and players would take a Final four berth instead of being ranked 4th and losing early in the March Madness process.  I am ooking forward to an exciting 15-16 season. Any news on the Cardinals and Muskies coaching searches?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on April 07, 2015, 04:22:19 PM
No news in New Concord but Otterbein named its coach today:

http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/news/2015/4/7/MBB_0407154520.aspx

Brian Oilar, assistant coach at DePauw since 2009.  He is 29 and this is his first head coaching job. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on April 08, 2015, 08:52:27 PM
Muskingum named former wittenberg assistant Travis Schwab their head coach today . He will be missed at Witt for sure!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 09, 2015, 10:02:25 AM
On the surface I like both hires.  Seem to be good, young guys looking to prove themselves.  And Schwab is likely already very familiar with the recruiting scene in Ohio from his previous stops.  Good luck to both guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on April 09, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
Thanks for the update guys.

Travis was a candidate for at least 1 MIAA job a few years ago.  Actually a finalist I think, then the college did a left turn and hired someone not on their public list of finalists.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on April 28, 2015, 10:19:19 AM
Baldwin-Wallace looking for a new coach
http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/sheldonresignation
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: albertjackson on May 21, 2015, 11:07:24 PM
The opening at BW has me back on d3hoops.com after a long absence checking to see if anyone has heard anything regarding the BW position. I have to think Coach Kibler, currently the Head Coach at Hiram, would be a strong candidate for this position. He was Steve Bankson's top assistant during the school's hay days and had a lot of success recruiting. He obviously knows NE Ohio, and been a part of several winning programs. I noticed he was at the University of Charleston for a year and they won the Inaugural MEC championship beating West Liberty St. before he returned to become Hiram's Head Coach. Before that he was Steve Fleming's assistant for a couple years at Hiram. Coach Kibler recruited me and has my vote for hardest working, best recruiter, and honest coach I had the opportunity to deal with. BW would be smart to bring him back. Has anyone heard anything? Certainly looking forward to this outcome. And since when does the OAC turn over 3 coaches in 1 year?
Title: Ohio Athletic Conference / 2015-2016 Schedules
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on July 06, 2015, 10:48:25 AM
John Carroll
Capital: http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Ohio Northern: http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Baldwin-Wallace: http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Mount Union: http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Heidleberg: http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Muskingum:  http://fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Otterbein: http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Wilmington: http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Marietta:  http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on July 15, 2015, 02:46:12 PM
BW made their head coach hire awhile back.....http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/heilrelease


and schedule:  http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on July 28, 2015, 02:19:31 PM
Quote from: sac on July 15, 2015, 02:46:12 PM
BW made their head coach hire awhile back.....http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/heilrelease


and schedule:  http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule

Thank you.  I will update the post as the other schedules become available.  Still need JCU, Capital and Wilmington. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 16, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Capital has released their schedule - http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule

Now, we are down to JCU and Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 16, 2015, 12:51:32 PM
Any recruiting news?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 21, 2015, 04:51:37 PM
I haven't seen anything about Mount's recruiting other than the 3 kids I posted about earlier. 

I ran into a HS HC who is big in local AAU stuff Saturday and was asking him about Mount.  He said Fuline has always been a great recruiter but he feels like he's hitting it even harder now because he's armed with their recent success to sell now.  Unfortunately, he wasn't able to tell me if all the recruiting paid off which is what I was interested in! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on September 27, 2015, 11:46:59 AM
Interesting thing checking the Otterbein schedule today. They are not playing home night games on Saturday this year. I wonder if that was pressure from the OAC, financial considerations , or new blood just trying to shake things up?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on September 27, 2015, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on September 16, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Capital has released their schedule - http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule

Now, we are down to JCU and Wilmington.

JCU is the only team in the entire Great Lakes Region that has not yet posted their schedule.... ugh
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 27, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: ohiofan1954 on September 27, 2015, 11:46:59 AM
Interesting thing checking the Otterbein schedule today. They are not playing home night games on Saturday this year. I wonder if that was pressure from the OAC, financial considerations , or new blood just trying to shake things up?

That's too bad.  That time of year the Saturday evening games are the only ones I can make.  I'm sure I'm in the vast minority though and the afternoon games are much more in tune with fans' preferences.

The interesting thing I noted about Mount's schedule was that they have three road trips.  They open at the Rose City Tip Off Classic in NJ, they travel to IL to play NCC and Chicago @ NCC and they're going to FL right after Xmas for a couple games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ohiofan1954 on September 27, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
I enjoyed the evening games as it gave me a chance to watch two games on many Saturdays. Either starting at Cap, ODU, Denison or OWU and then a finish at Otterbein.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 28, 2015, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: hopefan on September 27, 2015, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on September 16, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Capital has released their schedule - http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule

Now, we are down to JCU and Wilmington.

JCU is the only team in the entire Great Lakes Region that has not yet posted their schedule.... ugh

Sometimes I wonder if it is karma since I am so interested in it and start looking for it mid-summer.  This is a way for me to learn patience and how to deal with frustration. That said, Wilmington is posted:
http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 28, 2015, 11:46:16 AM
All of the OAC . . .except JCU, of course . . . has posted their schedules:

John Carroll: http://www.jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&
Capital: http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Ohio Northern: http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Baldwin-Wallace: http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Mount Union: http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Heidleberg: http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Muskingum:  http://fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Otterbein: http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Wilmington: http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Marietta:  http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Shouldbeworking on September 29, 2015, 09:18:19 AM
Maybe this will help, one game to start the schedule:

John Carroll vs. Transylvania @ St. Mary's City, MD – November 14 @ 7 PM. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on September 29, 2015, 10:48:00 AM
Here is JCU's schedule based on being on opponents' schedules   notice only 23 games... Either they are in a Tourney likely between Christmas and NY which hasn't identified matchups yet, or they are playing two non D3 schools somewhere along the way.  Won't know till JCU posts...

St. Mary's Tourney   11/14/2015   John Carroll         Transylvania
St. Mary's Tourney   11/15/2015   John Carroll         St Mary's (Md.) or Bridgewater (Va.)
Thomas More Tourney   11/20/2015   John Carroll         Birmingham Southern
Thomas More Tourney   11/21/2015   John Carroll         Rust
   11/28/2015   John Carroll   A      La Roche
   12/3/2015   John Carroll   H      Heidelberg
   12/5/2015   John Carroll   A      Ohio Northern
   12/12/2015   John Carroll   A      Wilmington
   12/19/2015   John Carroll   H      Marietta
   1/4/2016   John Carroll   H      Capital
   1/9/2016   John Carroll   A      Muskingum
   1/13/2016   John Carroll   A      Otterbein
   1/16/2016   John Carroll   H      Mount Union
   1/20/2016   John Carroll   A      Baldwin Wallace
   1/23/2016   John Carroll   H      Wilmington
   1/27/2016   John Carroll   A      Heidelberg
   1/30/2016   John Carroll   H      Ohio Northern
   2/3/2016   John Carroll   H      Otterbein
   2/6/2016   John Carroll   A      Capital
   2/10/2016   John Carroll   H      Baldwin Wallace
   2/13/2016   John Carroll   A      Marietta
   2/17/2016   John Carroll   A      Mount Union
   2/20/2016   John Carroll   H      Muskingum
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on September 29, 2015, 01:10:29 PM
The JCU schedule is now posted (a friendly email elicted an immediate posting)... as I suggested, the two games I was missing are at the
Land of Magic Tourney, 12/29, 12/30... vs Brockport St and Bridgewater State.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 30, 2015, 08:32:13 AM
Quote from: hopefan on September 29, 2015, 01:10:29 PM
The JCU schedule is now posted (a friendly email elicted an immediate posting)... as I suggested, the two games I was missing are at the
Land of Magic Tourney, 12/29, 12/30... vs Brockport St and Bridgewater State.

I was seeing the problem, you were seeing the solution.  I never thought to simply ask for the schedule.  I would have thought they would have wanted to post it as soon as it was ready.  Thanks, hopefan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 30, 2015, 08:33:02 AM
The complete list of links to OAC men's basketball schedules:

John Carroll: http://www.jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&
Capital: http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Ohio Northern: http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Baldwin-Wallace: http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Mount Union: http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Heidleberg: http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Muskingum:  http://fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Otterbein: http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Wilmington: http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/schedule
Marietta:  http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 30, 2015, 09:03:11 AM
http://www.jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&

Looking at John Carroll's schedule, it does not appear to be at quality level of the schedules in the 2009-2011 seasons but it is a respectable one, I guess. 

The opening tournament includes two teams at or just below .500 in Transylvania (though Tranny has had some success in the past 5 years) and Bridgewater as well as the host St Mary's College which is coming off a 20-5 season in 2014-2015 with a fairly recent trip to the Elite Eight (2012-2013).  The second tournament takes them to Kentucky to play Birmingham Southern (16-11 last year) and Rust College. I would have preferred to play host Thomas More in this one but it is what it is. 

The road trip to LaRoche, who is coming off a one win season, is a little baffling for a Blue Streak team that I think is going to be pretty good.   Based on the fact that we do not have one 2015 NCAA tournament team on the non-conference schedule, I would have thought (and, in fairness, maybe they tried) a more formidable opponent would have been sought for this one-off.   The flips side is that the OAC sent three teams to the tournament last season and it will be plenty rugged but that just does seem to be JCU's basketball scheduling philosophy. 

Over the holiday break, they head to the Land of Magic tournament in Daytona.  Mount will down there so maybe the teams can spend a little time together and throw back some beers as they ready for their OAC battles on January 16 and February 17.  Bridgewater State, not to be confused with Bridgewater College, was 18-8 last season and an NCAA qualifier in 2013-2014, and SUNY-Brockport also posted a winning season last year (15-12) and was an NCAA qualifier in 2013-2014. I am glad that they are heading to Florida for a tournament as it has been a long time since they took the boys to a(hopefully) good weather site over the holidays.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 10, 2015, 08:26:59 PM
Mount brought in a 10 person freshmen class this year.  Again, Fuline focused largely on NE Ohio.  I'm by no means a HS hoops expert, but based purely on name recognition it seems like a nice class again this year. 

Nate Armogast, 6'8" F (Brunswick)
James Burney, 6'4" F (Warren JFK) - #136 player on prephoopsohio.com
Alec Ferrari, 6'0" G (Chartiers-Houston PA)
Connor Formick, 6'4" F (Rootstown)
Andrew Francesoni, 6'5" F (Tallmadge) - #100 player on prephoopsohio.com
Jerry Leatherman, 6'2" G (Canton CC)
Zach Neuenschwander, 6'10" C (Fairless) - #51 player on prephoopsohio.com
Diallo Niamke, 6'5" F (Nordonia)
Tommy Stenger, 5'4" G (N. Canton Hoover)
Austin Weyandt, 5'10" G (Fairless)

Article on Ferrari (http://archy-news.com/ors-boys-basketball-player-of-the-year-alec-ferrari-observer-reporter/)
Vindy article on Burney's off the court story (http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/feb/20/changes-came-fast/)
Canton Rep article on Fairless guys (http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20150520/SPORTS/150529949)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 11, 2015, 09:21:18 AM
The other newcomer for Mount is senior G Jake Jacubec.  I totally missed him the first time because I'm so used to seeing "Jacubec" on the roster.  In this case it's Nate's brother, not Nate.

Jake played 3 years at D2 California (PA).  He was conference freshman of the year and then a key starter his soph and junior seasons (2nd and 3rd leading scorer, respectively).  He was first team All-Ohio in D2 in HS.  It looks like he's a good shooter too.  Must be in the genes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on October 22, 2015, 01:48:08 PM
Preseason Top 25 love for the OAC:
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2015-16/preseason

Mount Union 7th and Marietta 11th in the first poll of the year. John Carroll outside the top 25 but receiving votes and checking in at 34th.  Looks about right but who outside of the new "Big 3" are most likely to crash the party this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 24, 2015, 06:30:26 PM
I have high hopes for Mount this year, but I was anticipating a ranking of 12-15 range with Marietta somewhere around there too.  JCU seems about right but in real life they're much closer to the other two than the difference in ranking suggests, IMO. 

I don't know who steps up beyond them.  Berg was quietly competitive last year.  Wilm is usually tough too.  BW has been good, but I think Crowe is gone.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on November 03, 2015, 01:20:48 PM
Coaches' Pre-season Poll is out and they picked Mount as the favorite.  Marietta and JCU  are two and three in the poll.  The OAC press release:
http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20151103it8pht
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 03, 2015, 10:19:12 PM
Not often you see a team picked 7th with a 1st place vote.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2015, 12:58:06 PM
Might start becoming a trends... Landmark men had a voter (Catholic by default) select Goucher (who hasn't had an above .500 record in a decade) as their number one vote.

Some things needs to be changed with these polls.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2015, 01:08:42 PM
Agree.

I don't know what happened with the OAC or Landmark polls, but coaches should be allowed to vote for their own program if they think it's the best. Take a look at the Freedom Conference poll on the women's side.

http://mascac.org/news/2015/10/28/WBB_1028150632.aspx

There are seven first place votes -- all for FDU-Florham who is the prohibitive favorite -- and eight teams. One coach didn't vote, which could just be a typo or an oversight. But it also could be that FDU's coach was told he can't vote his own team No. 1 so he didn't vote for anyone. He knows they're the best in the conference.  So does everyone else. Arbitrarily requiring him to vote for someone else out of false humility is silly.

Edit: I just realized the Commonwealth conference had the same thing in their poll. In that case someone could make a case for Stevenson or Lebanon Valley, but they shouldn't have to if they think their teams is best.

http://mascac.org/news/2015/10/28/WBB_1028150203.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 04, 2015, 01:37:38 PM
Some coaches, perhaps many, think these pre-season polls are silly and meaningless. Forcing the prohibitive favorite's coach to vote for someone else doesn't make it any sillier or less meaningful. I dimly recall one NCAC poll in the not-too-distant past where one coach made a completely absurd selection for #1, probably as a protest. No doubt that coach got an earful from the conference office, since I haven't seen it repeated, but I say more power to him (or her.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 04, 2015, 02:25:20 PM
Capital's group of Freshmen look pretty good though and they picked up a D2 transfer. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2015, 02:31:09 PM
Good luck to Capital's Coach Goodwin who will step aside this year to battle cancer. We hope to see him back on the sidelines next season.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/11/capital-coach-takes-leave-of-absence (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/11/capital-coach-takes-leave-of-absence)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 06, 2015, 09:06:24 PM
Good luck to Coach Goodwin, who I learned quickly in my very limited interaction with him is a very good and very genuine guy. Best wishes for a complete and complication-free course of treatment.

Good luck also to Coach Winters, OWU '13 and the newest member of the ever-growing Mike DeWitt coaching tree. He's getting his big chance sooner than he expected, and sooner than he wanted, given the circumstances, but I'm sure he will do a great job.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 07, 2015, 08:59:01 AM
As I've mentioned on here more than once Goodwin is a very well liked and well respected guy in central Ohio.  I wish him well with his treatments and hope to see him back where he belongs on the Crusader bench this time next year.  And best wishes to his family as well.  It's tough on everyone.  Get well, Coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Sir Battlescars on November 09, 2015, 10:26:45 PM
I read about this over the weekend. You hate to hear things like this especially to one of the OAC's finest. The article I read did state that even though it is a rare form of leukemia it is very treatable. I don't know him personally, but I'm sure he'll put up a good fight. Let's keep Coach Goodwin in our prayers.



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on November 12, 2015, 11:05:37 AM
http://events.lls.org/pages/coh/honoringcoachgoodwin (http://events.lls.org/pages/coh/honoringcoachgoodwin)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 14, 2015, 04:39:39 PM
Well, that wasn't a great start.  Mount was blown out by William Patterson today 100-78.  DeAllen Jackson DNP so obviously that hurts big time. Defense was not good giving up 100 on 55% shooting.  They also had 17 turnovers and got out rebounded 45-32.  Positives were 3 point shooting (43.5%) and Kukura (22 and 10 in 20 min).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 16, 2015, 05:55:12 PM
Mount beat Potsdam St. 70-56 yesterday to split their NJ trip.  In addition to DeAllen Jackson being out I also noticed that Kyle Scelza hasn't played yet either.  They could use his perimeter shooting down the road so I hope he's just dinged up currently. 

The Raiders have Penn St. Beaver at home Wednesday and then they're off to IL to play NCC and Chicago Fri/Sat in Naperville.  Hopefully they can build off yesterday and come home 4-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 16, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
I have heard that Mt. Union's DeAllen Jackson hasn't played yet, possibly due to a broken foot.
Also that Kyle Scelza, who also hasn't played, might have the same injury.
Can anyone confirm, and is there any idea as to when either player might be able to play? Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 20, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
Watched the first half from Naperville.  Down 42-27. It's William Patterson part 2.  Mount looks putrid.  10 turnovers to NCC's 3.  Getting absolutely killed by offensive rebounds again (10-2).  Can't shoot the 3 ball at all (1-9).  Careless passes, stupid fouls (they swiped at a steal under their own freaking hoop with 0.2 seconds in the half to give NCC free throws).  Ruffin got whistled for two very iffy offensive fouls within the first few minutes so he spent most of the half sitting.  Hopefully they wake up at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 20, 2015, 09:49:42 PM
17-3 on offensive rebounds currently.  BAD.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 22, 2015, 09:43:39 AM
Mount bounced back from the NCC loss by beating #17 Chicago 74-58 yesterday.  Kukura followed up his career best 33 against NCC with 19 against Chicago.  He definitely isn't afraid to shoot as a soph on a senior heavy team.  Through 5 games this team has been wildly inconsistent.  They really need Ruffin to stay out of foul trouble as he was cuffed to the bench again yesterday.  Without him out there they just can't keep opponents off the offensive glass (they got killed again yesterday). 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 02, 2015, 05:16:26 PM
Damn, Mount dropped from #7 to out of the top 25.  They need to start off OAC play tonight with a win over BW (4-1). 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 02, 2015, 09:51:59 PM
Kuhn drops 51 tonight for BW, but it's not enough.  Mount wins 110-109 in 2 OT.  BW had a chance to tie it down 110-107 after a full court baseball pass was caught and laid in with a foul called.  The FT was missed to end the game.  Kukura paced Mount with 33 while Jacubec scored 27 and Ruffin added 25 and 12.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 02, 2015, 10:08:09 PM
Mount really needed that or their post-season chances might have been circling the drain already. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 03, 2015, 11:21:28 AM
I think they're just trying to tread water until Jackson is healthy.  He's arguably the best player in the OAC so it's obviously a huge blow to be without him.  For example, the guy playing in place of Jackson last night had 5 pts, 3 assists and 1 rebound in 36 minutes.  And while no DeAllen Jackson, the absence of Scelza hurts too.  He's a solid perimeter player who has been on the floor during crunch time in a lot of big games.   

What troubles me so far is the poor defense.  That needs cleaned up.  The bright spots have been Jake Jacubec stepping right in and playing well at the point and obviously JJ Kukura emerging as a legit go to scorer as a sophomore (20.3 PPG).  Kukura is also their 2nd leading rebounder (7.5 RPG) as the 6th man (and a guard).  If he can cut down on his turnovers and improve the shot selection just a little bit he can be special. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 05, 2015, 03:48:58 PM
Mount notches a 68-62 win at Cap this afternoon to move to 5-2, 2-0.  Always good to get a road win.  Jacubec and Kukura paced the offense again today.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 10, 2015, 08:22:03 AM
Mount picks up the midweek road win at ONU 79-71.  It sounds like a broken record, but Kukura had 24 and 11 to lead the way.  It looks like Shull, who had been starting in place of the injured Jackson, did not play last night.  Freshman Andrew Francesconi started in Shull's place.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 13, 2015, 02:33:18 PM
Mount led wire-to-wire against Ott yesterday winning 92-82.  Looking at the box score I can't say I like the percentages the Cards put up.  Definitely not the finest defensive effort.  The Raiders now don't play an OAC game until 1/6 against Berg.  They don't play a game period until 12/28 in FL.  The first "big" game is the 1/16 match up with JCU.  Looking at the schedule Mount should be 7-0 in OAC play going into that game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on December 16, 2015, 01:12:32 PM
D3hoops.com Top Ten battle between Marietta and John Carroll on Saturday in University Heights.  Should be a good one as I think all of the games between Mount, Etta and JCU will be this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on December 16, 2015, 02:16:44 PM
Can't wait to see how we do this week against the Pio's. I'm thinking JCU, Marrietta and Mount all reach the tournament again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 17, 2015, 09:49:46 PM
Capital 83  Olivet 57

Capital made the 10 hour round trip up to Olivet (in a pair of transit vans) for a really, super super easy win.   This could have been much worse.


Very impressed with interim coach Andy Winters, he'll be a head coach somewhere very soon and probably a very good one.  Also enjoyed the very positive Capital bench, made a pretty drab game enjoyable.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 20, 2015, 07:29:49 PM
JCU does their job and holds serve at home against Etta yesterday.  Good win for the Streaks.

I saw in the paper that Fuline said something about Scelza being back in January for Mount.  He also said that Jackson should be returning not long after so they may have both back for the meat of the OAC schedule.  I'm not sure how helpful that'd be for round 1 with JCU and Etta given both guys lack of game minutes, but it should be a help for the stretch run at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 28, 2015, 10:06:13 PM
Mount stumbled to the finish tonight in FL winning 65-63.  5 turnovers in 53 seconds in the last 2 min of the game made things interesting. 

Good news is Kyle Scelza returned and scored a team high 18 on 6-12 shooting from deep.

Also, Mount shot zero free throws. None.  In the entire game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on December 29, 2015, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 28, 2015, 10:06:13 PM
Mount stumbled to the finish tonight in FL winning 65-63.  5 turnovers in 53 seconds in the last 2 min of the game made things interesting. 

Good news is Kyle Scelza returned and scored a team high 18 on 6-12 shooting from deep.

Also, Mount shot zero free throws. None.  In the entire game.

Pretty hard to believe when you consider Hood took 19 from the line (making 11).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 29, 2015, 11:24:58 AM
I listened to most of the game.  It seemed like they got a little jump shot happy.  Regardless, zero FT attempts is pretty incredible.  Especially when they were up 9 with 2:30 left.  But you don't have to foul if the opponent is turning it over I suppose.  I think they had 19 turnovers which obviously is not good.  The thing that worries me is that with a team that shoots a lot of 3's you're going to have up and down nights.  That's fine if you play solid D all the time, but they haven't done that this year.  Turnovers, inconsistent D and a lot of 3's on offense leads to some volatile swings in performance from game to game.  But they're 8-2, 4-0 so all things considered the sky isn't falling.  Not long ago I would have done cartwheels at 8-2.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 29, 2015, 11:40:17 AM
Wow! No Free Throws! In the same tournament in The Brockport vs. Bridgewater game, Bridgewater State had taken 31 free throws and Brockport had taken 13. It only became even after the end of regulation, and all 3 OTs, Bridgewater State had to foul to stay in the game and the numbers became closer.

Not sure what this indicates, just that their is wide disparities in fouls being called. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 29, 2015, 12:07:42 PM
P.S. Hoping for a good game with JCU today. As if Brockport weren't the underdog already, having to play a JCU team that didn't play yesterday 17 hours after a 3 overtime game is not ideal!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on December 30, 2015, 03:51:54 PM
Another great win by the Blue Streaks today! This team is looking really good, and could make a serious run this March and April.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 05, 2016, 11:21:53 AM
Under the radar result from last night,  John Carroll 75 Capital 74

They're pretty young, but that result from Capital does not surprise me.  I think they're really going to play JCU, Marietta, Mt. Union tough and at some point this season might beat one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on January 05, 2016, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: sac on January 05, 2016, 11:21:53 AM
Under the radar result from last night,  John Carroll 75 Capital 74

They're pretty young, but that result from Capital does not surprise me.  I think they're really going to play JCU, Marietta, Mt. Union tough and at some point this season might beat one of them.

That's a very fair assessment. Capital is definitely a team on the ups, and gave me quite a scare last night. I will say I was very happy with the outcome, but I am way more nervous for when we have to drive down to you guys later this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 05, 2016, 01:21:48 PM
Capital is not my guys.  I saw them play at Olivet a few weeks ago, I was very impressed with their overall potential. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on January 05, 2016, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: sac on January 05, 2016, 01:21:48 PM
Capital is not my guys.  I saw them play at Olivet a few weeks ago, I was very impressed with their overall potential. :)

Fair enough
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 07, 2016, 05:08:17 PM
Mount held serve beating Berg 104-80 yesterday.  Raiders stay perfect at 5-0 in OAC play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 14, 2016, 08:42:05 AM
Mount beat up on Musky last night 94-70 to set the stage for their first big test Saturday at JCU.  Both teams are 7-0 in OAC play with JCU being unbeaten overall as well.  On the road and with still no sign of DeAllen Jackson this is going to be a tough battle for Mount.  Ruffin has really been playing well lately including his 26-14 double double last night.  Kukura continues to be their leading scorer.  They will need Jacubec to play well opposite of Linane.  They'll also need Ruffin to stay out of foul trouble. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 14, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Marietta needs to finish out games stronger. For the second game in a row, they squandered a comfortable lead by having far too many empty trips.  Marietta came away with ZERO points on 6 of their last 7 possessions (from the 3:27 mark and a 10 point lead).  Cap cut the lead to two, but two free throws by Garcia with under five seconds sealed the win for the Pioneers. 

Too much trying to burn clock and not enough running your offense to get good looks at the basket as well.  I'll take scoring points over running clock any time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2016, 02:55:17 PM
JCU goes to half with a comfortable 52-38 lead over Mount.  The Streaks are shooting an even 50% from the floor and are killing the Raiders on the offensive glass 13-5.  Two key guys, Linane and Ruffin, have been quiet so far.  Kukura is pacing Mount with 12 pts. and 6 boards in only 7 minutes.  Jacubec and Moore have 9 each.  Mount is going to need to clamp down on D and hope that Dillon/Scelza/Jacubec gets hot from 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2016, 04:35:36 PM
JCU runs Mount out of the gym 116-93.  Mount's D did not improve in the 2nd half...JCU put up 64 points.  In the half.  Linane had 8 assists in the 2nd half.  That's impressive.  Scelza did get hot for Mount hitting 4-5 from deep in the 2nd half, but obviously nowhere near enough.  Mount did a decent job with turnovers (13 to JCU's 10), but the Streaks continued beating them up on the offensive glass (26-7). 

Mount needs to regroup quickly with Etta coming to town Wednesday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 16, 2016, 07:59:46 PM
JCU played very well but I think the difference was down low . Carroll's post players received very little competition from Taylor Moore and his low post teammates. Mount's guards are good and played well but Carroll dominated the glass and the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 17, 2016, 09:29:47 AM
Mount is not good down low.  They have little depth.  Even Ruffin isn't a pure post player despite being big.  He's more of a skilled big (he can face up, shoot 3's).  They're much more perimeter driven and that's not a bad thing.  They've been that way the last few years and been successful because they can run and shoot.  But if you don't shoot the lights out you have to defend like crazy.  With Nate Jacubec, Stevie Griffin, etc. they were able to dial up the D big time when needed.  Nate was a tenacious perimeter defender in crunch time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 17, 2016, 01:24:50 PM
The boxscore of the JCU/Mt Union game is kind of incredible.   90 FG attempts for JCU Which is a ton of shots in a non-system game.
http://oac.org/sports/mbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20160116_cvcv.xml

This game had 84-85 possessions, JCU was averaging more than 1 shot every time down the floor, that's incredibly odd.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2016, 08:04:16 AM
Etta beats Mount 98-85.  Mount came out shooting ice cold and was down 23-3 out of the gate and 53-20 at half.  On a positive note they didn't quit and cut it to 12 in the 2nd half.  That doesn't sound that close, but when you're down 36 it's a great effort.  Scelza hit a school record 9 threes.  The other positive was the return of DeAllen Jackson.  He played 17 minutes in his debut. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 21, 2016, 09:48:41 AM
I think Mount's early shooting woes got in their heads a bit until halftime.  They didn't necessarily light it up after intermission, either.  Marietta helped Mount's cause committing 13 second half turnovers, and that allowed the game to get a lot closer than it likely should have been.

But it was a conference win on the road against a quality team.  Margin matters little when all is said and done. 

Time for round two through the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 21, 2016, 10:22:59 AM
I think my Streaks will split the road games against Mount and Marietta and lose to either BW or Capital to finish the season with 2 losses and a trip to the tournament regardless of their performance in the OAC tournament . 

Etta is sitting pretty right now as well and they have the luxury of hosting JCU and Mount in the second half of the round robin and a 14-2 record.  Even if they drop two games going into the OAC tournament and finish with a 21-4 record, I would think they would in very good shape to bet an at-large berth into the NCAA tournament.

Mount Union is coming dangerously close to needing to win or make the finals of the OAC tournament to be considered for the NCAA tournament.  If they repeat their 7-2 performance in the second half od the round robin, that will leave them at 18-7 heading into the OAC tournament.  You will remember that JCU was the third team in from the OAC last season with a 20-6 (19-5 regular season, 1-1 OAC tournament) record and a loss in the OAC semifinals to Mount. They won 8 of their last 9 in the OAC regular season.  In short, I don't think Mount can afford many more losses unless they are able to beat what-will-be regionally ranked teams in JCU and Etta 2 or 3 times in the next 5 or so weeks.

Just my thoughts . . . of course I have not analyzed the region as a whole so I could be off base.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 21, 2016, 11:33:55 AM
You're not off base, Mount U has a pretty small margin for error the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 23, 2016, 03:33:26 PM
Watching Mount at Ott right now.  Mount is up 46-15 in the 1st half.  I'm not sure what's happened to Otterbein's program, but they don't seem to be improving at all.  They're heading to 1-9 in OAC play after today.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 25, 2016, 11:36:43 AM
Bigger wonder is how they won the one.

Otterbein is really bad.  I mean I think a couple of the high school teams here in SE Ohio could take them. 

Ugly.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 25, 2016, 10:44:36 PM
Hey now.  Saying HS teams is one thing.  Saying HS teams in SE Ohio is another! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on January 28, 2016, 02:48:48 PM
Another tally in the W column for JCU last night.. This team is looking great, and I know that the Conference Schedule will definetly help them come Tournament time
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 28, 2016, 03:26:49 PM
John Carroll is looking strong here as we begin heading down the stretch here of the regular season but much like Marietta last year, there is no margin for error in the race for the OAC Championship. Marietta is one game back and don't count Mount Union out quite either with two losses. Mount will have another shot at both before we're done.

JCU and Etta both look good at this point to get into the tournament in some manner. Mount Union may not want to test fate and win the OAC Tournament to be sure. Still a ways to go yet though and as we've seen...on any given night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 29, 2016, 09:41:36 AM
As a Pioneer fan, I'm looking at the upcoming game this Saturday against BW in Berea as a possible landmine.  For some reason I just have an uneasy feeling about this matchup.  Fetherhoff is solid down low.  And Kuhn is ridiculous and a very difficult matchup for Marietta as well. 

If the Jackets have a respectable shooting night, they will give Marietta all they want. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 29, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on January 29, 2016, 09:41:36 AM
As a Pioneer fan, I'm looking at the upcoming game this Saturday against BW in Berea as a possible landmine.  For some reason I just have an uneasy feeling about this matchup.  Fetherhoff is solid down low.  And Kuhn is ridiculous and a very difficult matchup for Marietta as well. 

If the Jackets have a respectable shooting night, they will give Marietta all they want.

Trips to BW always scare me to death. It's a tough place to play and BW is a very solid basketball team. They gave Mount Union everything they wanted and more there Wednesday night.

More of a concern to me about Marietta down the stretch is mental lapses in the 2nd half. How many games here over the last couple of weeks has Marietta build large double digits leads at halftime only to see the opponent cut it to 1-2 possessions in the 2nd half. I know Coach VanderWal has to be drilling this into their heads about maintaining focus for 40 minutes so I am not sure what to attribute it to. Luckily it hasn't come back to bite them yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on January 29, 2016, 03:30:53 PM
Marietta has not handled on the ball pressure very well this year and are prone to mistakes, especially when being pressed full court.  It is the primary reason the Pioneers lost to St. Vincent early in the year.  When you can't advance the ball past the division line, it spells trouble.

Marietta had 13 second half turnovers against Mount Union which let Mount narrow the gap quite a bit.

ONU was effective pressing in the second half a couple of weeks ago and made the game closer than it needed to be. 

Marietta has also got away from running their base offense down the stretch of games instead trying to burn clock.  Unfortunately they don't have the player like RaNeal Ewing who could take almost anyone off the bounce to get a good scoring opportunity.  My opinion has always been that scoring points is better than running clock.  They need to continue to run their primary offensive sets and look to get the bigs more involved down low. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 30, 2016, 04:31:37 PM
Cap and Mount are scorching the nets today.  It's 88-87 Mount with 4 min. left.  Mount is 17-32 from deep and Cap is over 60% from the floor.  Both teams are over 50% from 3 and overall.  Noticed Kukura has not played today for the Raiders.  I hope he is okay.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 30, 2016, 04:45:13 PM
Wow.  Great game.  Mount wins 97-96 as Cap hits a shot from the corner at the buzzer that would have tied it, but the kid didn't have both feet behind the arc.  Very exciting game down the stretch.  Mount improves to 14-5, 10-2.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 02, 2016, 04:12:21 PM
The top three are likely going to be JCU, Mount, and Marietta (since #4 Cap is 4 games off the pace).  We don't know the order yet.  This will all become clearer starting a week from Wednesday. 

2-10 Mount @ Marietta
2-13 JCU @ Marietta
2-17 JCU @ Mount 

Of course all three need to not stub their toes, but if they are able to beat the teams they should, then that is the 7 day stretch to watch. 

Here is who each has left on their slate.

JCU:
Otterbein
@Cap
BW
@MAR
@MOunt
Muskingum

Marietta:
Cap
@Wilm
Mount
JCU
@OTT
@ONU

(Northern gave the Pioneers fits in Marietta and Marietta squeezed out a one point victory). 

Mount:
@MUSK
ONU
@MAR
@Berg
JCU
WILM

Looks to be an interesting stretch run for these three teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 02, 2016, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 02, 2016, 04:12:21 PM
The top three are likely going to be JCU, Mount, and Marietta (since #4 Cap is 4 games off the pace).  We don't know the order yet.  This will all become clearer starting a week from Wednesday. 

2-10 Mount @ Marietta
2-13 JCU @ Marietta
2-17 JCU @ Mount 

Of course all three need to not stub their toes, but if they are able to beat the teams they should, then that is the 7 day stretch to watch. 

Here is who each has left on their slate.

JCU:
Otterbein
@Cap
BW
@MAR
@MOunt
Muskingum

Marietta:
Cap
@Wilm
Mount
JCU
@OTT
@ONU

(Northern gave the Pioneers fits in Marietta and Marietta squeezed out a one point victory). 

Mount:
@MUSK
ONU
@MAR
@Berg
JCU
WILM

Looks to be an interesting stretch run for these three teams.

Making the assumption as you did that all 3 win the games they should the rest of the way (a dangerous assumption in this conference) and the top 3 win their home games against each other...Marietta wins the conference.

Marietta 17-1
JCU        16-2
Mount    15-3

How big will Marietta's earlier win in Alliance prove? Or are there more road victories still to be seen?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
Anybody know why Muskingum and Mount Union moved their boys and girls games to Thursday?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2016, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 02, 2016, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 02, 2016, 04:12:21 PM
The top three are likely going to be JCU, Mount, and Marietta (since #4 Cap is 4 games off the pace).  We don't know the order yet.  This will all become clearer starting a week from Wednesday. 

2-10 Mount @ Marietta
2-13 JCU @ Marietta
2-17 JCU @ Mount 

Of course all three need to not stub their toes, but if they are able to beat the teams they should, then that is the 7 day stretch to watch. 

Here is who each has left on their slate.

JCU:
Otterbein
@Cap
BW
@MAR
@MOunt
Muskingum

Marietta:
Cap
@Wilm
Mount
JCU
@OTT
@ONU

(Northern gave the Pioneers fits in Marietta and Marietta squeezed out a one point victory). 

Mount:
@MUSK
ONU
@MAR
@Berg
JCU
WILM

Looks to be an interesting stretch run for these three teams.

Making the assumption as you did that all 3 win the games they should the rest of the way (a dangerous assumption in this conference) and the top 3 win their home games against each other...Marietta wins the conference.

Marietta 17-1
JCU        16-2
Mount    15-3

How big will Marietta's earlier win in Alliance prove? Or are there more road victories still to be seen?

It has been my thought for the last month or so that John Carroll will lose two more OAC games.  I think one of those games will be at Marietta. I think the other game will be against either Capital or BW.  Just my hunch.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 03, 2016, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
Anybody know why Muskingum and Mount Union moved their boys and girls games to Thursday?

Mt. Union press release references to call the Muskingum AD with questions, so I would guess this is something on Muskingum's end.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 03, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2016, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
Anybody know why Muskingum and Mount Union moved their boys and girls games to Thursday?

Mt. Union press release references to call the Muskingum AD with questions, so I would guess this is something on Muskingum's end.

And now it's been pushed back until Monday, Feb. 15.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 03, 2016, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 03, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2016, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
Anybody know why Muskingum and Mount Union moved their boys and girls games to Thursday?

Mt. Union press release references to call the Muskingum AD with questions, so I would guess this is something on Muskingum's end.

And now it's been pushed back until Monday, Feb. 15.


Saw that...makes you wonder what the heck is going on to push a game back twice in the same afternoon.

Mount has to hate this as they will now have to play 3 times next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
Anybody know why Muskingum and Mount Union moved their boys and girls games to Thursday?

Just a thought: at this level, they usually don't like being called boys and girls. I try and call them men and women.

I realize ... a bit sensitive... but that sensitivity on their end was brought up to be a very long time ago and it has stuck.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:38:58 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 04, 2016, 01:52:57 PM
Highlights from last night's Marietta-Capital game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woTDtCKWoS0
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 06, 2016, 03:13:22 PM
This is like the Etta game all over again so far.  Mount is down 14-2 out of the gate.  Shooting 1-8 while ONU is 6-7.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 06, 2016, 03:42:52 PM
ONU shoots a sizzling 11-16 from deep in the first half, but Mount did a good job of getting the ball down low and fought back to within 3 at half.  It's good to see them fighting back despite digging an early hole and not shooting the 3 ball well at all (5-18).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 07, 2016, 02:11:13 PM
The top 3 all held serve yesterday.  Mount heads into a tough stretch starting with a huge game at Etta Wednesday.  Then due to the Musky rescheduling they'll be on the road at Berg Saturday and again at Musky Monday before JCU Wednesday.  I can't say that I like the way that rescheduling fell by squeezing another game (and on the road) right before JCU, but it could be worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 08, 2016, 08:42:08 AM
Have to say I'm stoked for the two games this week in Marietta.  They will be, by far, the best opponents to come to campus since Catholic University was here early in the year.  It should be a great atmosphere and hopefully two really good basketball games. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 08, 2016, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 08, 2016, 08:42:08 AM
Have to say I'm stoked for the two games this week in Marietta.  They will be, by far, the best opponents to come to campus since Catholic University was here early in the year.  It should be a great atmosphere and hopefully two really good basketball games.

It's weeks like this one that make me miss living in Marietta and walking over  on a cold Wednesday night or Saturday afternoon for a big OAC game in a jam packed Ban Johnson. Hoping to make it down Saturday for the JCU game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:56:40 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 10, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
So BW upsets jcu and Marietta defeats mount.

Interesting developments for certain.

Some observations from last night's game....

Mount is a different animal this season.  DeAllen Jackson, who was one of the top players in the league a year ago is no where near where he was last year.  He is not 100%.  And even with his limitations he is so good with the ball in his hands and breaking down defenders one on one and getting to the basket.  A healthy Jackson is good for 15+ points per game.  He ended with 7, but through the first 35 minutes only had 4 points.  His injury has had a significant impact on Mount's success.  Mount also misses Nate Jacubec.  He was open from the parking lot and could get any shot he wanted.  He was one of the most frustrating opponents to watch last season from a Pioneer perspective.  Ruffin was a solid contributor last night.  He is such a strong player who has decent range.  He was unstoppable in the post.  The most impressive player for Mount is JJ Kukura.  "Pure Scorer" doesn't even begin to describe him.  He has good range.  He is a good ball handler.  He gets his shot anytime he wants.  He has decent size and he works really hard.  In my mind he is a first team all-OAC guy. 

Mount was unable to defend at a high enough level last night.  Marrietta shot 55% from the field for the game and 56.7% from behind the arc.  Mount had no answers for AJ Edwards down low.  They tried the 6-10 guy, but he wasn't quick enough to defend Edwards. They didn't defend the perimeter very well either. 

It was a great atmosphere for basketball last night.  Hoping we see more of the same on Saturday afternoon when the Blue Streaks come calling. 

And speaking of the Blue Streaks...

It would be interesting to hear about what happened last night against BW.  That was kind of a surprising result, as BW had really been struggling. 



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 11, 2016, 08:20:33 AM
Mount's last 3 games their opponents' FG % has been 59%, 54%, 55%.  That's what leads to dog fights with middling teams and blowouts by good teams.  If Etta is shooting 55% and 56% on threes you're in trouble. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 11, 2016, 08:33:30 AM
Watching the first 5-10 minutes of the Etta-Mount game last night I really thought Marietta was going to struggle to stay in it. Mount came out excited and super aggressive defensively and really made Marietta unsettled. Mount pushed the lead to 17-10 and from that point on it was all Marietta the rest of the night. Edwards had a great night down low against Mount's big men and what can you say about Dillon Young. 24 points on 8-12 shooting. Things snowballed a bit on Mount in the 2nd half and the Pioneers pushed the lead past 30 before emptying the bench. The scary thing was Marietta hit the 100 point mark with 5-6 minutes left and the back of the bench only managed a handful of points the rest of the way. Truly a gem of an offensive night from the Pioneers.

All that said, I still think Mount Union is a great team and will be a heck of an out in the OAC Tournament. They've got great shooters and on any night can shoot someone out of the gym. I think they give JCU fits next Wednesday in Alliance.

Let's hope Marietta saved a few buckets for the John Carroll game Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 11, 2016, 10:19:40 AM
There was a point in the second half when Marietta pushed the margin to 20 and Mount answered with a three to cut the lead to 17.  Fuline called a time out (about 5 minutes in).  I looked at my wife and said, "this game will get a lot closer than this before it ends.  They will make a big run and we will be fortunate to come out on top." 

I was wrong.  Marietta didn't lose their cool, and Mount just couldn't string baskets together consistently to make that run.  That 17 point spread was as close as it got from there on. 

Some other things I observed.
-Mount rarely sent guys to the offensive glass.  They bailed out on every shot especially in the first half.  They were a little better in the second half. 
-Outside of Ruffin, they really do not have anyone who can defend the post.  Their 6-5 guys aren't post type players.  They are more small forward type guys.
-Traveling does not exist in the OAC.  Period.  It was bad all night long for both teams.
-Marietta has improved steadily all year.  They are better about playing as a team this season than they were last year.  Last season, they would go into "playground" mode at times.  That happens far less often this season.
-I agree that Mount will be a tough out, if they can improve their defense.  They have the offensive weapons to stay with anyone in the league, but as Dr. A mentioned above, you can't let your opponents shoot better than 50% and expect to have success.
 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 11, 2016, 03:45:04 PM
#8 Marietta-#23 Mount Union Highlights (admittedly from a Marietta perspective):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tCXk39pVKs
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 11, 2016, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 11, 2016, 10:19:40 AM
-Outside of Ruffin, they really do not have anyone who can defend the post.  Their 6-5 guys aren't post type players.  They are more small forward type guys.

Fuline seems to like more perimeter guys who are athletic and can run and shoot.  Ruffin can run and shoot too, but he just happens to be built like a defensive end so he's strong enough to push around with guys down low defensively.  Losing him will make next year interesting defensively.  Neuenschwander is an absolute load so hopefully he develops from his freshman to sophomore season enough to start.

Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 11, 2016, 10:19:40 AM-I agree that Mount will be a tough out, if they can improve their defense.  They have the offensive weapons to stay with anyone in the league, but as Dr. A mentioned above, you can't let your opponents shoot better than 50% and expect to have success.

If they get hot from beyond the arc they're going to be trouble in the OAC tourney.  The problem is that the defense has been an issue all season in that I have a hard time seeing them being able to string together that many consecutive great defensive efforts.  It just hasn't clicked this year consistently on the defensive end.  Again, I think we (I) drastically underestimated how valuable Nate Jacubec was as a perimeter defender.  He was really good and he was the leader that set the tone on defense.  They miss that and it's a credit to Nate more than a knock on the current guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2016, 08:19:27 PM
Regional rankings are finally out and with them comes plenty of upheaval around the country. What do the rankings really mean? What teams should everyone be watching this week? Who is jockeying to lock up their conference's regular season title?

On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh hopes to get a lot of these questions answered. McHugh will talk to coaches from around the country who have their teams poised to capture conference crowns or at while also positioning themselves the best they can in the regional rankings.

Hoopsville is on the air NOW, but you can also watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts (when the show is done) here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb11

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Janice Luck, No. 12 Albright women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 8 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Loya, Mount Aloysius men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Tom Glynn, Nichols' men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2016, 10:39:32 AM
Huge game today.  The OAC regular season title is pretty much on the line.  I'm definitely going to listen to as much as I can at work.  Mount plays at 2:00 so I'll get to hear most of the JCU/Etta game since it starts at 3:00.  Should be an exciting game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2016, 03:45:44 PM
Mount is playing like complete crap.  They can't buy a basket.  Shooting 20% on 3's.  They're down 77-52 to Berg.  Berg is 6-9 in OAC play so the score is pretty self explanatory when it comes to the Raiders' performance.  Very disappointing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2016, 04:46:41 PM
There is nothing better than tuning into WMOA for Etta sports.  Obviously it's mostly for baseball for me, but I just love it in general.  They do such a nice job and you can't beat Wharff's voice!  You guys are so lucky.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 13, 2016, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2016, 04:46:41 PM
There is nothing better than tuning into WMOA for Etta sports.  Obviously it's mostly for baseball for me, but I just love it in general.  They do such a nice job and you can't beat Wharff's voice!  You guys are so lucky.

We are spoiled. The wharf brothers are great guys and know their stuff.  Their late father was the guy who really got it going, but Chris and John do a very good job.

The game was fabulous. I really like how jcu comes at you for 40 minutes. Wave after wave after wave. I can see where they wear teams down. Linane had a really bad day. Neither team shot particularly well but it was a fast paced up and down game that was a joy to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 14, 2016, 05:09:48 PM
Marietta-John Carroll highlights (courtesy of Marietta College)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEpNgKW8nNA
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 15, 2016, 10:39:57 AM
It was an enjoyable game and a great environment.  I thought the game was called a little too tight on both ends of the floor which didn't allow for the free flow affair that I was hoping to see on Saturday. I am sure the refs were afraid of the game getting away from them with these two physical, high-octane teams but the result was a staggering 60 total fouls called and a choppy pace to the game.  It is also no secret that JCU is at a disadvantage when a game is called tightly so perhaps the Etta fans will have a different opinion.  Regardless, these are two of the finest OAC teams I have seen take the floor and I hope we are given the gift of them playing twice more - in the OAC and the NCAA tournament.  This year's games have reminded me very much of the 2008-2009 games between Capital and JCU in that you left wishing you could see them play again the next day (Guilford and UT-Dallas had other plans and did not allow the 4th match-up to occur). 

Some questions for the Etta fans:  (1) Garcia is such an outstanding player and a joy to watch.  How did he find his way to Etta from South Florida?  (2) On senior day, all of the players were announced as have a foster family.  What is that?  I assume it is some sort of high-level boosters or we are all missing the boat by not recruiting from orphanages.  (3) While I am not a fan of the NBA-style constant music and noise being pumped in through the PA, it did make for an intimidating environment at the Banjo.  Do they do that for every game?



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 15, 2016, 10:43:06 AM
Given Mount's loss on Saturday and assuming Etta will not be upset this week, it looks like JCU will be the 2 seed regardless of the result against Mount on Wednesday.  So, JCU will be tasked with beating Mount twice in 9 days and then heading back to the BanJo for a OAC title game.  I think there will be a lot at stake in the game including the ability to host the Sweet Sixteen should both teams be lucky enough to advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 15, 2016, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 15, 2016, 10:39:57 AM
It was an enjoyable game and a great environment.  I thought the game was called a little too tight on both ends of the floor which didn't allow for the free flow affair that I was hoping to see on Saturday. I am sure the refs were afraid of the game getting away from them with these two physical, high-octane teams but the result was a staggering 60 total fouls called and a choppy pace to the game.  It is also no secret that JCU is at a disadvantage when a game is called tightly so perhaps the Etta fans will have a different opinion.  Regardless, these are two of the finest OAC teams I have seen take the floor and I hope we are given the gift of them playing twice more - in the OAC and the NCAA tournament.  This year's games have reminded me very much of the 2008-2009 games between Capital and JCU in that you left wishing you could see them play again the next day (Guilford and UT-Dallas had other plans and did not allow the 4th match-up to occur). 

Some questions for the Etta fans:  (1) Garcia is such an outstanding player and a joy to watch.  How did he find his way to Etta from South Florida?  (2) On senior day, all of the players were announced as have a foster family.  What is that?  I assume it is some sort of high-level boosters or we are all missing the boat by not recruiting from orphanages.  (3) While I am not a fan of the NBA-style constant music and noise being pumped in through the PA, it did make for an intimidating environment at the Banjo.  Do they do that for every game?

I will have to defer to someone else in the know about how Luis Garcia and how he ended up at Marietta. I can however answer the question about foster parents. Marietta has a system in place and has for as long as I can remember of having members of the community "adopt" players when they arrive on campus to play at Marietta. It's meant to give players who mostly are not from the area the ability to have folks close by that they talk with, have dinner with, and lean on during their 4 years at Marietta. A lot of the players get very close to their foster parents and many of them travel to watch the team home and away every single game which is why they get introduced on Senior Day in addition to their actual parents and family.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 15, 2016, 12:09:09 PM
There are about three young men on the roster from Florida.  How Coach VanderWal has convinced them to come to a small town in the arctic is beyond me.  But Luis has been a joy to watch grow over his four year career.  He has matured greatly on the court.  And by many accounts is really a terrific young man.  One of the good things about following D3 sports is you normally get to see these kids over a four year span (no early entries to the pay for play leagues).  Luis got playing time as a freshman, and had to learn to accept his role on the team as he got older.  He went from a kid who often played out of control to one who is now a steadier hand on the court.  I think at times last year, he expected to be "the man" and many times forced his influence on the game.   This year, he has done a much better job of letting the game come to him.   

Yes they have the PA system cranked for every home game, and have had for a few years.  It isn't my favorite thing either (as most of it is not my kind of music) but the games are a lot of fun.  The community support has been tremendous.  I've heard the crowd louder (I can remember a tourney game a few years back where Marietta came back against JCU from 20 down at one point and won it at the buzzer.....Deafening at many points of that game), but when they fill it up, it gets very loud. 

Here is what I will say about the officiating.  It was a departure from the typical OAC games I have watched this year.  The OAC is a physical league and the officials let A LOT of stuff go most of the time.  I think the kids get used to that.  I think they practice and prepare for that physicality.  Then you have a crew come in and tighten things up and the game becomes a lot different for both teams.  It becomes something they are not accustomed to doing and it is very difficult for them to adjust their style of play from how they prepare.  So I think it impacted the game for both teams quite a bit.   

I know a number of the foster families, and they are not necessarily what I would call "high level boosters."  More like long term friends of the program, a few former players who still live in the area, etc.    They have the same thing for the women's team. 

I would also say that Marietta is on upset alert when they wander to ONU.  Northern gave us fits at home earlier this year, a game Marietta won by a point and struggled all game long.   Otterbein is just all kinds of bad.  I guess if you are going to have an opponent to face after two high energy wins, the Cardinals are perfect for that.

I will be surprised if Mount defeats JCU this week, which is just my opinion.  I know the game is in Alliance, but I don't think the Raiders are as strong this year as they were a year ago, and JCU is quite a bit better in my eyes.  Now, I can see a scenario where JCU comes out flat and drained coming off of a high energy game like they had, but I think it is unlikely. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 15, 2016, 09:51:55 PM
Muskingum 83
Mount Union 80
OT

The wheels are completely off the bus in Alliance. What happened?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2016, 10:53:12 PM
Losing to 5-17 Musky isn't "wheels off the bus" it's worse.  Embarrassing doesn't even do it justice.  At this point I'm just glad they can't finish worse than 3rd for All-Sports purposes.  I don't know what happened, but it goes without saying that you can't lose to freaking Musky.  Geez.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 16, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
Ouch.  That leaves a mark.  Of course this also happened with two of their best players (Kukura and Jackson) not playing.  Kukura only scored four points in their loss on Saturday too.   I'm sure it is frustrating for the Raider nation, as there were (rightfully so) high expectations coming into the season with the returning talent on the roster.  The inability to stay healthy has hurt them greatly. 

In other news.  Marietta climbs to #4 in the most recent D3hoops top 25.  JCU drops to 8.  Mount drops out. 

D3hoops.com men's Top 25, Week 10

Through games of Feb. 14, 2016:

# School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
1 Augustana (17) 23-1 617 1
2 Benedictine (8) 24-0 607 2
3 Whitworth 22-1 563 5
4 Marietta 21-2 534 8
5 Christopher Newport 22-1 519 6
6 Hope 21-2 507 7
7 St. Thomas 21-2 460 4
8 John Carroll 21-2 414 3
9 Whitman 20-3 396 12
10 St. Norbert 20-2 367 11
11 Ohio Wesleyan 20-3 337 10
12 North Central (Ill.) 18-6 335 18
13 Elmhurst 20-4 331 9
14 Alma 18-5 313 13
15 Lancaster Bible 22-0 284 15
16 Amherst 20-4 276 19
17 Johnson and Wales 21-2 186 14
18 Susquehanna 19-3 168 17
19 Tufts 19-5 155 25
20 Babson 17-5 113 --
21 Roanoke 19-4 94 --
22 Franklin and Marshall 18-4 81 16
23 Plattsburgh State 18-4 60 22
24 Penn State-Behrend 20-2 58 21
25 Trinity (Conn.) 18-6 48 --

Dropped out: No. 20 Wesleyan; No. 23 Mount Union; No. 24 Emory.

Others receiving votes: New York U. 43; Rochester 43; Northwestern (Minn.) 29; Emory 25; Albertus Magnus 24; Salisbury 22; Texas Lutheran 20; WPI 20; Scranton 15; Chicago 11; New Jersey City 9; Carroll 7; Wesleyan 6; Virginia Wesleyan 6; Catholic 5; Wooster 5; St. John's 4; MIT 3; Stockton 2; Dubuque 1; UW-La Crosse 1.

The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 16, 2016, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 16, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
Ouch.  That leaves a mark.  Of course this also happened with two of their best players (Kukura and Jackson) not playing.  Kukura only scored four points in their loss on Saturday too.   I'm sure it is frustrating for the Raider nation, as there were (rightfully so) high expectations coming into the season with the returning talent on the roster.  The inability to stay healthy has hurt them greatly. 

In other news.  Marietta climbs to #4 in the most recent D3hoops top 25.  JCU drops to 8.  Mount drops out. 

D3hoops.com men's Top 25, Week 10

Through games of Feb. 14, 2016:

# School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
1 Augustana (17) 23-1 617 1
2 Benedictine (8) 24-0 607 2
3 Whitworth 22-1 563 5
4 Marietta 21-2 534 8
5 Christopher Newport 22-1 519 6
6 Hope 21-2 507 7
7 St. Thomas 21-2 460 4
8 John Carroll 21-2 414 3
9 Whitman 20-3 396 12
10 St. Norbert 20-2 367 11
11 Ohio Wesleyan 20-3 337 10
12 North Central (Ill.) 18-6 335 18
13 Elmhurst 20-4 331 9
14 Alma 18-5 313 13
15 Lancaster Bible 22-0 284 15
16 Amherst 20-4 276 19
17 Johnson and Wales 21-2 186 14
18 Susquehanna 19-3 168 17
19 Tufts 19-5 155 25
20 Babson 17-5 113 --
21 Roanoke 19-4 94 --
22 Franklin and Marshall 18-4 81 16
23 Plattsburgh State 18-4 60 22
24 Penn State-Behrend 20-2 58 21
25 Trinity (Conn.) 18-6 48 --

Dropped out: No. 20 Wesleyan; No. 23 Mount Union; No. 24 Emory.

Others receiving votes: New York U. 43; Rochester 43; Northwestern (Minn.) 29; Emory 25; Albertus Magnus 24; Salisbury 22; Texas Lutheran 20; WPI 20; Scranton 15; Chicago 11; New Jersey City 9; Carroll 7; Wesleyan 6; Virginia Wesleyan 6; Catholic 5; Wooster 5; St. John's 4; MIT 3; Stockton 2; Dubuque 1; UW-La Crosse 1.

The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.

The injuries and struggles Mount have seen this year remind me a lot of the 2011-2012 Pioneers team that was so highly ranked heading into the season when they brought back the entire 27-4 team that went to the Sweet 16 the year before. Marietta struggled with so many injuries that year and the whole season they just never seemed to be a full strength and struggled to go 17-9 and crashed out of the OAC Tournament in the first round. Injuries are something no one can account for or expect and you  hate to see it ruin a season that could of been special. I sympathize with Mount because I know what that disappointment feels like.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 16, 2016, 10:12:55 AM
I was admittedly a little harsh last night.  I'm just disappointed because things just seemed to break against Mount all year.  Scelza and Jackson missing so many games out of the gate, Kukura battling this back injury.  They just can't seem to put together their best 5 guys this year.  It bums me out because it's Ruffin's senior year and he's been a guy I've really enjoyed watching play over the years.  I'm sad that they didn't get to make one more push with him.  It also stinks for Jake Jacubec who transferred in for his senior year and has played very well all year at the point.  It is what it is.  Keep playing hard, get Francesconi and Neuenschwander some more minutes.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 17, 2016, 09:26:22 PM
Kudos to mount for their bounce back victory without their top player playing. Must have been a helluva game.  100-94, are you serious?!?  This game was 93 all with under a minute to play.

And this also means that Marietta is the outright league champ for 2015-16.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 17, 2016, 09:46:03 PM
Mount was without Jackson and Kukura again tonight.  Absolutely a great effort.  If Musky was beyond embarrassing in my words, then this effort is beyond great.  They didn't hang their heads. They came out swinging.  Fantastic job. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 18, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
So the only thing remaining is seeding. We know this much. 1. Marietta, 2. JCU, 3. Mount Union.

BW and ONU are tied for fourth at 9-8. They have a one game lead on the next two. BW hosts Cap. Northern hosts Marietta.

Capital and Berg are tied at 8-9 in the sixth spot. Berg is at Ott.  Cap travels to BW.

All of these teams are in, it is simply a matter of where they are seeded.

Wilmington is currently 8th and can't move up they play Mount on Saturday. They have a one game lead over Muskingum.  Wilmington would lose a tiebreaker with the muskies. Muskingum plays JCU on Saturday. Wilmington is likely the 8th seed.

There are too many tie breaker scenarios to sort through.

Berg is 0-2 vs bw, 2-0 vs cap and 0-2 vs onu.
Cap is 1-0 vs bw, 1-1 vs onu and 0-2 vs berg.
Onu is 1-1 vs bw,2-0 vs berg and 1-1 vs cap.
Bw is 2-0 vs berg, 0-1 vs cap, and 1-1 vs onu.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2016, 04:52:56 PM
Mount has a nice Senior Day with a 105-86 win over Wilm to wrap up the regular season.  17 guys played at least 3 min. for Mount which is great for the seniors.  Dillon was feeling it today going 7-13 from deep and scoring 25.  He was cold for a few games, but if he starts heating up it's going to make them a tough out in the OAC tournament.  If he heats up AND they get Kukura back?  Who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 20, 2016, 04:58:55 PM
So it looks like the tourney will be.

8 wilm @ 1 mar
5 onu @ 4 bw
7 cap @ 2 jcu
6 berg @ 3 mount

My guess at the 1st team  all oac squad:

Kukura - mount
Linane - jcu
AJ Edwards - Marietta
Kuhn - BW
Minch -cap

POY - tough call here and you could make arguments for any number. The three best players I saw this season were Kuhn from BW, Kukura from mount and AJ Edwards from Marietta. Nobody was able to stop Edwards this year. Kuhn disappeared a few times. Kukura has missed a few games.  I would probably vote for Edwards. (I am slightly biased too, so take that for what it's worth)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2016, 06:14:40 PM
I would agree with Edwards.  Kuhn would be my second choice based purely on the fact that he was unstoppable the one game against Mount and he did that to other teams too.  Kukura is only a sophomore so he'll have his chances in the future for POY.  It's going to be nice to have him around for another two years.  That kid can flat out score.  He's so tough for perimeter guys to guard because he's 215 and he uses that frame to get to the hoop.  If he stays healthy he's going to end up in the top 5 career scorers at Mount with a chance to catch the great Aaron Shipp for 1st.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 23, 2016, 09:22:35 PM
Etta 93, Wilma 78
JCU 83, Capital 71
UMU 102, Berg 96
BW 86, ONU 83
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 24, 2016, 08:13:02 AM
Marietta's game vs. Wilmington was somewhat ugly, and very much sloppy.  Way too many turnovers and mental miscue's from team who has been very solid this year.  Some credit goes to Wilmington though for bringing the fight to the arena when they could have easily laid down.  At one point late in the first half, Marietta had pushed the margin to 16 or 17.  At the half way point of the second stanza, Wilmington had cut the lead to two.  Marietta went on to score 30 points in the final 9:19 to put the game away.

Wilmington's leading scorer was saddled with foul trouble and an eventual early exit due to getting his fifth foul.  The impact of this was minimized in the first half when Marietta's top post player (Edwards) went to the bench with an early second foul (both of which were assessed for illegal screens).  Edwards had two points at intermission.  He finished the game with 20. 

Hopefully Marietta will have a stronger showing on Thursday when the Jackets come to town. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:14:23 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 25, 2016, 08:48:21 AM
I have to say tonight's matchup between Mount Union and John Carroll is an intriguing one.  Mount upset JCU at home without one of the league's best players.  Kukura did play in the quarter final and was somewhat effective.  Earlier in the year JCU blew out the raiders at home.   This is a very intriguing matchup. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 25, 2016, 11:38:17 AM
I know I sound like a broken record here, but again Mount had a poor defensive game statistically in the quarters.  Berg shot 60% from the field and around that from 3 also.  Mount did do a really good job of forcing turnovers though and that proved to be the difference.  It was exciting to see Francesconi have his best game of his freshman year in the OAC tournament. 

It just worries me that they have to shoot well to win.  They just can't get away with off shooting nights, especially against teams like JCU.  They need to stay out of foul trouble tonight in the front court.  If they do that they definitely have a chance.  They did just beat JCU and JCU hasn't been playing great recently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 25, 2016, 09:52:58 PM
Well it will be Marietta and JCU on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 26, 2016, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 25, 2016, 09:52:58 PM
Well it will be Marietta and JCU on Saturday.

I would think both are safely in and Mount is definitely out.  Mount had a rough 2nd half, that's for sure.  But I wouldn't call last night disappointing.  Tough game on the road against a very good team. 

I'm very appreciative of the seniors.  Just like last year's class, this year's class was instrumental in taking a middling program and turning it into an top tier program in the OAC.  They've created an expectation of success that wasn't there before and that's a great legacy to leave.  Thanks to all of them.  And thank you to Mike Fuline who continues to make Mount Union hoops fun to follow.  His passion is evident and it's contagious.  With Jackson and Kukura leading the returning guys it should be another fun season next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 26, 2016, 08:56:37 PM
When tickets were made available to the general public this evening the game sold out in 13 minutes.

Who has two thumbs and has tickets?  This guy  ;D

They did a student/college employee sale earlier in the day. I guess when the general public sale started there were only 225 tickets left.

JCU received an allotment, how many I don't know.

Capacity is just under 1600.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 27, 2016, 09:51:56 PM
Another outstanding game between these two teams and another memorable game between these two teams. I was very surprised that JCU was able to lead the game, basically, for 40 minutes in a tough, tough environment. I said after the game two weeks ago that I wish they could play every week .... It's great basketball. I hope they can meet up again in 2 weeks.

This reminds me of 2009 when I desperately wanted to see JCU and Capital play a fourth time in the Sweet 16 but it was not to be. I hope I'm not wrong this time.

I think this pretty much locks up JCU as a first weekend host. They're numbers combined to how many tournament qualifiers are/will be within 500 miles of Cleveland and it's hard to imagine any another scenario. The real questions are how strong is JCU when looking at possible Sweet 16 hosts and will Marietta be hosting the first weekend? I say maybe and absolutely to those questions.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 27, 2016, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 26, 2016, 08:56:37 PM
When tickets were made available to the general public this evening the game sold out in 13 minutes.

Who has two thumbs and has tickets?  This guy  ;D

They did a student/college employee sale earlier in the day. I guess when the general public sale started there were only 225 tickets left.

JCU received an allotment, how many I don't know.

Capacity is just under 1600.

Attendance listed at 1724. Wow! It looked jam packed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 29, 2016, 08:04:35 AM
Packed it was.  It was a tremendous atmosphere.

Interestingly enough, there was a line outside the door to buy any tickets not sold from JCU's allotment.  As it so happened, Marietta was also hosting the OAC indoor track meet, and shortly before tip-off, JCU's track team came bursting in the door.  So much for any of those unsold tickets.  :o

The fact Marietta got this game to the point where they had a chance at the end was amazing in and of itself.

I love the way JCU plays.  They just keep coming at you over and over and over again.  Coach Moran has a terrific team. 

It was a great game, in a great atmosphere.  Congrats to both schools on a terrific season.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 29, 2016, 08:16:55 AM
I just want to give David Linane his due. Every time it looked like Marietta had the momentum and was about to take over the game, Linane would will John Carroll back in front. Coach Moran said it best when he said the guy is just a flat out winner. Want to see nothing but the best for John Carroll in the tournament and maybe there is a fourth match up still in store for us with something bigger on the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 29, 2016, 03:25:44 PM
Congratulations to the all conference honorees:

AJ Edwards of Marietta was player of the year. 
David Linane of JCU
Aron Thress of ONU
Jarrett Ruffin of Mount Union
Cameron Kuhn of BW
Mark Minch of Cap

Jake Jacubec and JJ Kukura of Mount Union were second team honorees
Luis Garcia and Dillon Young of Marietta
Kiere Bennie of Heidelberg
and Simon Kucharewicz of JCU join them.

Congratulations to all of them and to Coach Vanderwal for being named Coach of the Year.

http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/All-OAC/2016_MBBAll-OAC.pdf (http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/All-OAC/2016_MBBAll-OAC.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2016, 10:04:42 PM
JCU survives a tough challenge from improperly-seeded St. Vincent. Marietta, not so much. Tough home court loss for the Pioneers, but another great season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2016, 08:58:48 PM
Alma surprises JCU on their home court, 90-83, ending the OAC season. Congratulations to the Blue Streaks on a great season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 05, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
It was great to read in the paper today that Damon Goodwin is done with his treatment for leukemia and back to work at Cap now.  Welcome back!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on May 09, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
2016-2017 schedules:

Baldwin Wallace: http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule (http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule)

Capital:

Heidelberg: http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule (http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule)

John Carroll:

Marietta: http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?schedule=164&path=mbball (http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?schedule=164&path=mbball)

Mount Union: http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule (http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule)

Muskingum: http://fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule (http://fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule)

Otterbein:

Ohio Northern: http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule (http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule)

Wilmington: http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule (http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/schedule)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on July 08, 2016, 01:26:15 PM
Marietta College set to host the inaugural Great Lakes Invitational in 2017. Should be a fantastic weekend of basketball.

http://pioneers.marietta.edu/news/2016/7/8/marietta-set-to-host-inaugural-great-lakes-invitational-mens-basketball-tournament.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 03, 2016, 11:12:22 AM
Big news this upcoming season: https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/782958659349389313
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on November 02, 2016, 01:08:12 PM
Coaches poll released:

1. Marietta (5) - 77
1. John Carroll (5) - 77
3. Baldwin Wallace - 60
4. Mount Union - 54
5. Ohio Northern - 50
6. Heidelberg - 48
7. Capital -30
8. Muskingum - 25
9. Wilmington - 19
10. Otterbein -10

Interesting to see the coaches split down the middle on the favorite.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 02, 2016, 04:14:11 PM
Can't say that I like seeing my Raiders picked in the middle of the pack, but I can't argue it.  They lost three senior starters plus a key bench shooter.  That's a lot to replace.  If DeAllen Jackson is 100% they'll have a potent scoring combo with him and Kukura.  My fear is the lack of big men.  Francesconi is 6'5" but he's more of a wing player than a banger in the post. 

p.s. It never stops being weird seeing Otterbein picked dead last in hoops.  Just doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on November 04, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
I am new here and instead of just reading this year I thought I would contribute.  I am an Ohio Northern Fan.  I think they may surprise a number of people this year.  They return everyone from last year and a new coach may breathe new life into the Polar Bears
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2016, 09:03:44 AM
Welcome aboard. Glad to have you.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 09, 2016, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Beyond the Arc on November 04, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
I am new here and instead of just reading this year I thought I would contribute.  I am an Ohio Northern Fan.  I think they may surprise a number of people this year.  They return everyone from last year and a new coach may breathe new life into the Polar Bears

Nice!  We need an ONU person.  If you've been reading then you already know it's pretty much just me, a JCU poster or two and some Etta guys.  We need new teams with representation.  +k
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on November 09, 2016, 03:07:27 PM
Quote from: Beyond the Arc on November 04, 2016, 10:58:00 PM
I am new here and instead of just reading this year I thought I would contribute.  I am an Ohio Northern Fan.  I think they may surprise a number of people this year.  They return everyone from last year and a new coach may breathe new life into the Polar Bears

Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on November 10, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
While it was reported via Twitter weeks ago, this is the first full story I have seen and the first confirmation from Coach Moran.  It is official.  He will retire at the end of the season:

http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20161109/john-carroll-mens-basketball-coach-mike-moran-to-retire-after-2016-17-season

At the end of the article, it states that his son Pete would be his choice for successor and the AD, Laurie Massa, stated that he would be considered.  I am not sure how I feel about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 10, 2016, 08:56:09 AM
I know nothing about Pete's coaching acumen, but what I do know is that's a really good job.  There will be excellent candidates interested from outside the program. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on November 10, 2016, 08:42:36 AM
While it was reported via Twitter weeks ago, this is the first full story I have seen and the first confirmation from Coach Moran.  It is official.  He will retire at the end of the season:

http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20161109/john-carroll-mens-basketball-coach-mike-moran-to-retire-after-2016-17-season

At the end of the article, it states that his son Pete would be his choice for successor and the AD, Laurie Massa, stated that he would be considered.  I am not sure how I feel about that.

What I have learned since we first reported his departure... while Mike wants Pete to take over, there is nothing guaranteed at all... and apparently strong support and voices to change directions. This is not a knock on Pete at all, but clearly there is strong voices to go outside the family. And I have heard that from a lot of different people.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on November 10, 2016, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2016, 11:11:40 AM
What I have learned since we first reported his departure... while Mike wants Pete to take over, there is nothing guaranteed at all... and apparently strong support and voices to change directions. This is not a knock on Pete at all, but clearly there is strong voices to go outside the family. And I have heard that from a lot of different people.

I would be one of those voices.  While I think that Pete could be a fine coach and may be the best option JCU has, looking at the options available is the responsible thing to do. 

I would think JCU would be an attractive place to coach in that it is a solid school in a metro area with a pretty good tradition.  Now, the school is not overly committed to basketball as evidenced by the fact that Coach Moran also coached golf and I certainly do not believe we have the "holy grail" of D3 basketball - a full-time assistant coach - but the facility is decent and we are not running things too much on a shoestring budget.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2016, 04:46:03 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on November 15, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
ONU opens tonight against a tough Alma team.  This will be an early test to see how ONU will be this year.  With every starter returning, ONU has a good shot at contending this year.  First year coach Rick Bensman is high on this team.  There are two players I am interested to see how they step up this year.  #22 Joey Diorio and #30 Nate Burger both expect to have expanded roles this year.  Both will come off the bench and if they raise their game to compliment the starting five, ONU will have a very good year.

GO POLAR BEARS
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on November 15, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
Olivet    43    Capital    83   
Kenyon    60    Muskingum  85
La Roche    75    Marietta    101
Baldwin Wallace   90   Case Western Reserve 76    
Mount St. Joseph   58    Wilmington  48    
Ohio Northern    72    Alma    80    

Nice wins for Cap, Muskingum, Marietta, and BW. ONU lead for a good portion of the Alma game before losing it down the stretch. Wilmington kept in respectable against a good MSJ team. La Roche hung with Marietta for about 25 minutes before blowing it open. Not a lot of big surprises tonight although Muskingum's margin of victory gave me second glance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on November 16, 2016, 03:02:30 PM
Tough loss last night for the Polar Bears.  Up by 11 at half and let it slip away.  Hats off to Alma.  They made several good adjustments at halftime.  Alma took the ball right at ONU's bigs in the second half that propelled a large difference in foul shots.  On defense they adjusted the spacing on their zone and ONU had no answer inside.

The Polar Bears played tough and were lead by Nate Burger with 18.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 17, 2016, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on November 15, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
Olivet    43    Capital    83   
Kenyon    60    Muskingum  85
La Roche    75    Marietta    101
Baldwin Wallace   90   Case Western Reserve 76    
Mount St. Joseph   58    Wilmington  48    
Ohio Northern    72    Alma    80    

Nice wins for Cap, Muskingum, Marietta, and BW. ONU lead for a good portion of the Alma game before losing it down the stretch. Wilmington kept in respectable against a good MSJ team. La Roche hung with Marietta for about 25 minutes before blowing it open. Not a lot of big surprises tonight although Muskingum's margin of victory gave me second glance.

Musky was picked 8th in the coaches poll.  Not great by any stretch, but I guess it at least means the coaches didn't think they were going to be awful. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 20, 2016, 02:00:33 PM
Mount won both of their games at Hilbert (NY).  I know nothing about the teams they played, but all I care about is that DeAllen Jackson played 35+ minutes both games so he must be 100%.  That's great.  He scored over 20 both games on very efficient shooting.  He absolutely has to play at a high level if they're going to be successful. 

It also looks like they're starting a freshman at one of the guard spots and bringing Francesconi in as the 6th man.  Kukura did that last year with much success.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on November 22, 2016, 09:28:03 PM
Finely a win for the Polar Bears.  After two tough losses Ohio Northern puts two halves together to beat Defiance College by 42.  ONU was lead by Konner Baker and Nate Burger with 17 each.  The Burger kid has come on tough this season averaging 18 points a game. Great game all around with 5 players in double figures.

Congrats to Coach Bensman on his first win at ONU.

Polar Bears have a couple of days off before hosting Wisconsin Whitewater this weekend.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 22, 2016, 10:32:03 PM
In something of a surprise, Capital nips Ohio Wesleyan, 82-76.

The box score (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2016-17/boxscores/20161122_z40y.xml) suggests the story was that Capital simply outshot OWU. Cap hit at 56% for the game and 63% (7-11) from 3pt vs. OWU's rather paltry 36% and 22% (8-35) from 3pt.

Capital is off to a 4-0 start. OWU falls to 2-1 with the loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2016, 11:21:28 AM
Rough start for John Carroll, but this week's Around the Great Lakes column focuses on Coach Moran's final season on the Blue Streaks' sideline

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/greatlakes/2016-17/john-carroll-moran-sendoff

Around the Nation will talk about early surprises and I'm sure Marietta will make an appearance (again...they were also in last week's ATN).

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on November 30, 2016, 11:23:09 AM
Just some thoughts on early season topics. JCU job will have many applicants. Also not sure if Pete Moran is best man for the job. Maybe things have changed but he was really a loose cannon when he played. Maybe that is just "passion for the game."  Mike Moran was the best thing that ever happened for JCU hoops. Great guy with a great ability to bring in quality players. Took their program from mediocrity to top of the league and nationally known. On other fronts, good to see Damon back at Capital. Another good guy who is good for college hoops. Coach Schwab at Musky must be doing a good job. It is early but has them going in the right direction. Also as a long time follower of the OAC, it is difficult to fathom that Otterbein has been so bad since the end of the Reynold's days. Quality program that has been really on hard times. Not surprising but Marietta has a couple quality wins nationally early on in the season. They lost some good players but have just reloaded. Good test this Saturday travelling to play BW. Another OAC season is underway and it will probably be full of great games and surprises as always.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 01, 2016, 02:21:10 PM
The state of affairs at Otterbein has been and continues to be a head scratcher.  I certainly don't expect them to be hanging another banner in the Rike Center, but being in the basement of the OAC is inexcusable.

As for the season so far...Mount is 4-1, but I'm still concerned.  Their leading rebounder is their 2 guard.  The offense is pretty much as expected...Jackson and Kukura both averaging almost 20 a game and no one else more than 7.  That's fine that you have two main scorers, but both of those guys have had some injury issues in the past.  They need both healthy if they want to have any chance to make noise in OAC play.

Finally, congrats to JJ Kukura for a career high effort against Hiram last night.  He put up 40 points and 10 boards in the win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 03, 2016, 09:31:44 PM
John Carroll   95   Muskingum   99   
Heidelberg   70   Otterbein           53   
Capital           65    Ohio Northern   87   
Marietta           84    Baldwin Wallace 64   
Wilmington   79   Mount Union   84

Marietta wins the battle of Top 20 teams with a 20 point victory on the road after trailing at the half. The Pioneers certainly are the conference favorites early on. Nice to see Muskingum have some life this year at they score a HUGE home victory over a struggling JCU team who falls to 1-4. Does anyone know the story on JCU's struggles? This team had so much coming back this year on paper and they have looked so disjointed this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on December 05, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 03, 2016, 09:31:44 PM
Does anyone know the story on JCU's struggles? This team had so much coming back this year on paper and they have looked so disjointed this year.

I am baffled.  THey have not looked bad but they just have not been able to close out when they are playing with a lead.  This is not a new thing for the Streaks as their style of play always allows for a comeback -- either by us or the opponent -- but I am blown away how they have looked against some rather pedestrian team this year.  I would have had us at 4-1 with one loss in the opening weekend OR a loss to Hope.  I would have lost a mortgage payment on the Muskingum game.

It is still early and they have the tools to turn it around but I just don't see a lot of like in their eyes.  You know how D3 can be with upperclassmen . . . sometimes they play like this is their last chance to play competitive athletics . . . other times they play like they have an eye on the future and are phone it in. One hand on a beer and one hand on a resume. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 05, 2016, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on December 05, 2016, 08:11:34 AMOne hand on a beer and one hand on a resume.

That is an awesome description of senioritis, OOJC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 05, 2016, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on December 05, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 03, 2016, 09:31:44 PM
Does anyone know the story on JCU's struggles? This team had so much coming back this year on paper and they have looked so disjointed this year.

I am baffled.  THey have not looked bad but they just have not been able to close out when they are playing with a lead.  This is not a new thing for the Streaks as their style of play always allows for a comeback -- either by us or the opponent -- but I am blown away how they have looked against some rather pedestrian team this year.  I would have had us at 4-1 with one loss in the opening weekend OR a loss to Hope.  I would have lost a mortgage payment on the Muskingum game.

It is still early and they have the tools to turn it around but I just don't see a lot of like in their eyes.  You know how D3 can be with upperclassmen . . . sometimes they play like this is their last chance to play competitive athletics . . . other times they play like they have an eye on the future and are phone it in. One hand on a beer and one hand on a resume.

That's fantastic!  And accurate.  It's still odd though.  They have three talented, proven players leading that team.  On paper those three alone probably make them the 2nd or 3rd best team in the conference by themselves.  The Musky loss was a head scratcher.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 06, 2016, 12:47:08 AM
Muskingum has played a pretty bad schedule but is 5-0.  But they have not had any trouble with bad teams that have given past Muskie teams trouble in the past thus far.  Its entirely possible Muskingum is actually a good team this year.

Just from passively following OAC rosters for my own purposes, the Muskies have more size and numbers than they've had in quite some time.  Their two leading scorers are a Soph and Fr.  Team to keep an eye on maybe.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 06, 2016, 07:43:33 AM
Quote from: sac on December 06, 2016, 12:47:08 AM
Muskingum has played a pretty bad schedule but is 5-0.  But they have not had any trouble with bad teams that have given past Muskie teams trouble in the past thus far.  Its entirely possible Muskingum is actually a good team this year.

Just from passively following OAC rosters for my own purposes, the Muskies have more size and numbers than they've had in quite some time.  Their two leading scorers are a Soph and Fr.  Team to keep an eye on maybe.

You're right about the improvement in the Musky program and to be honest it started last year. The results didn't pan out but you could see a new attitude and culture begin to develop there over the season. Is this the year Muskingum makes a run into the top half of the conference and is a player in the title race? No, most likely not. But I certainly think they can get out of the basement, get into the middle of the conference and set themselves up to be a player next year. Coach Schwab is doing some great things down in New Concord.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
Just cruised by this board to see if it was a safe space for actual OAC discussion. Maybe we should move the Top 25 posts here, and let someone have a monologue there.

/sarcasm
//or is it?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2016, 10:22:34 AM
JCU picks up their first OAC win with a 91-89 win over my Raiders.  Jackson went for 35 and 9, but it wasn't enough.  Mount had a couple chances to tie down the stretch, but the Streaks held them off.  I'm sure Fuline was unhappy with the 20 turnovers (not that Moran is turning cartwheels because they "only" had 16).  Tough loss, but when you're looking at the schedule a loss at JCU is not a back breaker.  I kind of had that penciled in already anyway. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2016, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
Just cruised by this board to see if it was a safe space for actual OAC discussion. Maybe we should move the Top 25 posts here, and let someone have a monologue there.

/sarcasm
//or is it?

Is someone an OAC poster?  I didn't think any of us posted enough on hoops to have a monologue!   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on December 08, 2016, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2016, 10:22:34 AM
JCU picks up their first OAC win with a 91-89 win over my Raiders.  Jackson went for 35 and 9, but it wasn't enough.  Mount had a couple chances to tie down the stretch, but the Streaks held them off.  I'm sure Fuline was unhappy with the 20 turnovers (not that Moran is turning cartwheels because they "only" had 16).  Tough loss, but when you're looking at the schedule a loss at JCU is not a back breaker.  I kind of had that penciled in already anyway.

Jackson was THE man on the floor last night.  Outstanding performance.  I think Fuline will be less frustrated with the 20 total turnovers and be more focused on the fact that Kukura had 8 or 9 of those himself - not the kind of double-double you want from a coach's kid.  Nice win for the Streaks as 1-6 was looking like a real possibility with Etta coming to town on Saturday.  You cannot lose more than 6 or 7, maybe 8 (depending to whom those losses come, regional rankings, etc.) and expect an at-large bid so you would hate to be in a position where you have no choice but to win the OAC tournament title and it is not even Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 08, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
I fully expect to see John Carroll's best Saturday against Marietta. I expect a nip and tuck game the whole way, much of what we thought we'd see between the two this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2016, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on December 08, 2016, 11:34:40 AM
Jackson was THE man on the floor last night.  Outstanding performance.  I think Fuline will be less frustrated with the 20 total turnovers and be more focused on the fact that Kukura had 8 or 9 of those himself - not the kind of double-double you want from a coach's kid.  Nice win for the Streaks as 1-6 was looking like a real possibility with Etta coming to town on Saturday.  You cannot lose more than 6 or 7, maybe 8 (depending to whom those losses come, regional rankings, etc.) and expect an at-large bid so you would hate to be in a position where you have no choice but to win the OAC tournament title and it is not even Christmas.

That's been an ongoing issue for Kukura.  He can get a little sloppy with the ball.  8 or 9 turnovers is inexcusable though.  Watching him play the last couple of years my only knock on him is that and also he can sometimes get a little trigger happy.  Every scorer is like that, but Fuline gives his guys a lot of latitude so JJ takes advantage sometimes.  The kid can definitely score though and they need that this year. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2016, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
Just cruised by this board to see if it was a safe space for actual OAC discussion. Maybe we should move the Top 25 posts here, and let someone have a monologue there.

/sarcasm
//or is it?

It would be nice if he moved here... agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2016, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2016, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
Just cruised by this board to see if it was a safe space for actual OAC discussion. Maybe we should move the Top 25 posts here, and let someone have a monologue there.

/sarcasm
//or is it?

Is someone an OAC poster?  I didn't think any of us posted enough on hoops to have a monologue!   

Read the past week's posts on the Top 25 board ... if you dare.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on December 08, 2016, 02:51:38 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 08, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
I fully expect to see John Carroll's best Saturday against Marietta. I expect a nip and tuck game the whole way, much of what we thought we'd see between the two this season.

This team, for lack of a technical term, looks goofy, F&P.  I would like to think that they will look like they are turning the corner against you guys on Saturday but I am less than hopeful that will be the case.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 08, 2016, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on December 08, 2016, 02:51:38 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 08, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
I fully expect to see John Carroll's best Saturday against Marietta. I expect a nip and tuck game the whole way, much of what we thought we'd see between the two this season.

This team, for lack of a technical term, looks goofy, F&P.  I would like to think that they will look like they are turning the corner against you guys on Saturday but I am less than hopeful that will be the case.

Maybe I have just had to many nightmares of JCU over the last few years that I just assume the worst.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on December 08, 2016, 04:38:50 PM
Game article from the News Herald :
http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20161207/college-basketball-john-carroll-edges-mount-union-in-early-oac-showdown
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2016, 06:29:51 PM
The season has started fast and for some teams they still haven't lost. Not unexpected for some, maybe completely unexpected for others.

And there is a big battle between #1 and #2 in Division III men's basketball on tap!

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave is back in studio and talking to some of the teams who find themselves without a loss, but probably still with plenty of questions that remain unanswered. Many of the teams are nationally ranked, but one of the teams tonight finds itself undefeated and receiving narry a point in any of the Division III polls.

Also on Thursday's edition, Dave will talk LIVE with either #1 Amherst or #2 Babson. The two men's programs face off in a rare #1 v #2 regular season battle. We chat with the winning coach after the game.

You can watch Hoopsville below staring at 7:00 pm ET. We are also experimenting with simulcasting the show on Facebook Live! More info here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/dec8

Guests included (in order):
- Bob Amsberry, No. 8 Wartburg women's coach
- Amy Reed, Rochester Tech women's coach
- Landry Kosmalski, No. 22 Swarthmore men's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 3 Marietta men's coach
- Either Dave Hixon (No. 1 Amherst) or Stephen Brennan (No. 2 Banson) men's coach

This is most likley the last Thursday edition of Hoopsville before the holiday break (due to D3football.com coverage of Gagliardi Trophy and Stagg Bowl next week and proximity of Christmas the following week). The Thursday edition of the show will return January 5, 2017 - but stay tuned if we change our minds in two weeks.

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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on December 08, 2016, 09:12:05 PM
The Polar Bears scored a sloppy win last night verse Wilmington.  ONU has looked much better the last two games with the scoring more evenly distributed.  Nate Burger continued to lead the team with a career high of 23 last night.  Wilmington did not shoot well and ONU rebounded well.

This Saturday's game at Mount Union is going to show if ONU can be included in the top half of the OAC.  The game also features a match-up of the leading and third leading scorers in DeAllen Jackson and Nate Burger.  Hopefully for all of us fans these two point guards play well and it is a good game.

Go Polar Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 09, 2016, 08:03:57 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2016, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2016, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
Just cruised by this board to see if it was a safe space for actual OAC discussion. Maybe we should move the Top 25 posts here, and let someone have a monologue there.

/sarcasm
//or is it?

Is someone an OAC poster?  I didn't think any of us posted enough on hoops to have a monologue!   

Read the past week's posts on the Top 25 board ... if you dare.

I didn't make it all the way through the last week.  Who could?  Sheesh. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 11, 2016, 05:42:24 PM
And just like that things are very interesting in the OAC.  JCU takes care of Etta, Musky tops BW in OT, Mount holds off ONU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ElRetornodelEspencio on December 11, 2016, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
Just cruised by this board to see if it was a safe space for actual OAC discussion. Maybe we should move the Top 25 posts here, and let someone have a monologue there.

/sarcasm
//or is it?

But I'm the troll. Indeed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on December 17, 2016, 06:37:12 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 11, 2016, 05:42:24 PM
And just like that things are very interesting in the OAC.  JCU takes care of Etta, Musky tops BW in OT, Mount holds off ONU.

Looks like it's going to be a wild ride this season. I just hope there's not too much cannibalization that leaves everyone beat up and with one or two too many losses to get an at-large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 17, 2016, 04:05:55 PM
Mount (7-2, 3-1) picked up a road win at Berg (6-4, 2-2) today, 95-83.  Berg didn't shoot the ball well (35%) even though they scored 83.  Kukura had a big game with 31 points, 8 reb, 6 asst, 2 blocks.  Not surprisingly Jackson did too (21 pts, 7 reb, 4 asst, 3 steals).  As those two go so goes the team.  Stenger hit 4-5 from deep.  He's over 50% on the season which has been a great surprise. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on December 17, 2016, 05:09:15 PM
A huge must needed win for ONU.  Polar Bears come from behind to rally past John Carroll by 2.  Nate Burger continues to lead the team with 29 today.  Both teams played their hearts out in a tough game that either team could have won.  After JCU layup with 7 seconds left and a ONU time out, Burger came the length of the floor and hit Ryan Bruns with the game winning lay-in.  Konnor Baker added 20 for the Polar Bears.  He is having a great senior season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 03, 2017, 04:50:30 PM
DeAllen Jackson is having a fantastic season so far.  Aside from leading the OAC in scoring (20.5 ppg) here are some other figures:

7.5 RPG (#6 in the OAC)
2.5 SPG (#1)
2.8 APG (#10)
50.6% FG (#12)
50.8% 3FG (#4)
80.4% FT (#8)
2.9 3FG made/gm (#2)

His shooting efficiency is unreal for a 2 guard. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Mount takes care of BW at home 90-81.  Raiders are now 9-3, 4-1.  All 3 losses have been by 3 or less so they've been competitive.  Jackson led the way again going for 22 pts, 6 A, 4 R. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Mount takes care of BW at home 90-81.  Raiders are now 9-3, 4-1.  All 3 losses have been by 3 or less so they've been competitive.  Jackson led the way again going for 22 pts, 6 A, 4 R.

They are a solid team, no doubt.  Great start and positioned well for a Pool C even if they do not with the OAC tournament if they win 9-10 of their last 13.  In short, there is room for error.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Mount takes care of BW at home 90-81.  Raiders are now 9-3, 4-1.  All 3 losses have been by 3 or less so they've been competitive.  Jackson led the way again going for 22 pts, 6 A, 4 R.

They are a solid team, no doubt.  Great start and positioned well for a Pool C even if they do not with the OAC tournament if they win 9-10 of their last 13.  In short, there is room for error.

I agree Mount is a great team and I'll admit to being a bit surprised they're in this spot at this point in the year. My only worry on Mt. Union's Pool C chances are SOS. They've played a good schedule but not a great schedule. Massey (which is starting to get to the point in the year where I'll peek at it) lists their best win this year as being over Heidelberg. If Mount can finish the year with a loss or two and then one in the tournament 20-6 or 21-6 could very well get them in. However, they still have 2 games left against Marietta, another go with John Carroll, as well as two with Capital left to get through. I don't know how I feel about a 18-8 Mount Union team getting a Pool C.

Long story short is we have a long way to go (still half the season) and it's early to talk about anyone's Pool C chances at this point (something I'm always guilty of myself).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Mount takes care of BW at home 90-81.  Raiders are now 9-3, 4-1.  All 3 losses have been by 3 or less so they've been competitive.  Jackson led the way again going for 22 pts, 6 A, 4 R.

They are a solid team, no doubt.  Great start and positioned well for a Pool C even if they do not with the OAC tournament if they win 9-10 of their last 13.  In short, there is room for error.

I agree Mount is a great team and I'll admit to being a bit surprised they're in this spot at this point in the year. My only worry on Mt. Union's Pool C chances are SOS. They've played a good schedule but not a great schedule. Massey (which is starting to get to the point in the year where I'll peek at it) lists their best win this year as being over Heidelberg. If Mount can finish the year with a loss or two and then one in the tournament 20-6 or 21-6 could very well get them in. However, they still have 2 games left against Marietta, another go with John Carroll, as well as two with Capital left to get through. I don't know how I feel about a 18-8 Mount Union team getting a Pool C.

Long story short is we have a long way to go (still half the season) and it's early to talk about anyone's Pool C chances at this point (something I'm always guilty of myself).

I accept your reprimand and promise not to bring up Poll C until February 1, at the earliest. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2017, 11:33:59 AM
Honestly, while I'm pleased with the season to date I had not even considered Mount as a pool C candidate.  They've pretty much beaten who they should IMO.  If they could have pulled off the Williams game that would have been a nice feather in the cap.  They played JCU toe-to-toe in UH, but I'm waiting to see how the Etta games go before I get too excited.  The thing that gives me hope is that they have 2 guys that can score in bunches.  I like having go to scorers in tight games.   

It looks like there is definitely some parity in the OAC this year too.  Wilm beat Cap last night.  Ott beat ONU.  I don't know if the conference is down as a whole or if the bottom just improved.  Maybe partially both.  Either way it should make for an interesting ride if there are no guaranteed W's this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 12:15:47 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Mount takes care of BW at home 90-81.  Raiders are now 9-3, 4-1.  All 3 losses have been by 3 or less so they've been competitive.  Jackson led the way again going for 22 pts, 6 A, 4 R.

They are a solid team, no doubt.  Great start and positioned well for a Pool C even if they do not with the OAC tournament if they win 9-10 of their last 13.  In short, there is room for error.

I agree Mount is a great team and I'll admit to being a bit surprised they're in this spot at this point in the year. My only worry on Mt. Union's Pool C chances are SOS. They've played a good schedule but not a great schedule. Massey (which is starting to get to the point in the year where I'll peek at it) lists their best win this year as being over Heidelberg. If Mount can finish the year with a loss or two and then one in the tournament 20-6 or 21-6 could very well get them in. However, they still have 2 games left against Marietta, another go with John Carroll, as well as two with Capital left to get through. I don't know how I feel about a 18-8 Mount Union team getting a Pool C.

Long story short is we have a long way to go (still half the season) and it's early to talk about anyone's Pool C chances at this point (something I'm always guilty of myself).

I accept your reprimand and promise not to bring up Poll C until February 1, at the earliest. :D

No reprimand..like I said, I am guilty of thinking of at-large resumes watching big non-conference games in November. It's never to early to start building a resume as we all know how wild conference tournaments can be. It's nice having a great resume in your back pocket just in case.  8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2017, 11:33:59 AM
Honestly, while I'm pleased with the season to date I had not even considered Mount as a pool C candidate.  They've pretty much beaten who they should IMO.  If they could have pulled off the Williams game that would have been a nice feather in the cap.  They played JCU toe-to-toe in UH, but I'm waiting to see how the Etta games go before I get too excited.  The thing that gives me hope is that they have 2 guys that can score in bunches.  I like having go to scorers in tight games.   

It looks like there is definitely some parity in the OAC this year too.  Wilm beat Cap last night.  Ott beat ONU. I don't know if the conference is down as a whole or if the bottom just improved.  Maybe partially both.  Either way it should make for an interesting ride if there are no guaranteed W's this year.

That's the question I have been asking myself the last few weeks. The last few seasons have been Marietta, Mount, JCU and everyone else. I really think the bottom has improved. Muskingum has showed a huge jump in talent and competitiveness over the last few seasons with Schwab at the helm. Otterbein is showing signs of improvement after a couple years at the bottom. Ohio Northern is very consistent and knocked off JCU earlier in the year. This is probably the best top to bottom OAC I've seen in awhile and it's going to bite the teams at the top who pick up a few more losses throughout conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 03:32:26 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 12:15:47 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Mount takes care of BW at home 90-81.  Raiders are now 9-3, 4-1.  All 3 losses have been by 3 or less so they've been competitive.  Jackson led the way again going for 22 pts, 6 A, 4 R.

They are a solid team, no doubt.  Great start and positioned well for a Pool C even if they do not with the OAC tournament if they win 9-10 of their last 13.  In short, there is room for error.

I agree Mount is a great team and I'll admit to being a bit surprised they're in this spot at this point in the year. My only worry on Mt. Union's Pool C chances are SOS. They've played a good schedule but not a great schedule. Massey (which is starting to get to the point in the year where I'll peek at it) lists their best win this year as being over Heidelberg. If Mount can finish the year with a loss or two and then one in the tournament 20-6 or 21-6 could very well get them in. However, they still have 2 games left against Marietta, another go with John Carroll, as well as two with Capital left to get through. I don't know how I feel about a 18-8 Mount Union team getting a Pool C.

Long story short is we have a long way to go (still half the season) and it's early to talk about anyone's Pool C chances at this point (something I'm always guilty of myself).

I accept your reprimand and promise not to bring up Poll C until February 1, at the earliest. :D

No reprimand..like I said, I am guilty of thinking of at-large resumes watching big non-conference games in November. It's never to early to start building a resume as we all know how wild conference tournaments can be. It's nice having a great resume in your back pocket just in case.  8-)

I probably put way too much emphasis on those games as a Carroll fan because I firmly believe that the only reason we made the 2014-2015 tournament with 7 losses was because of a non-conference win over a St. Norbert team that would not lose another game in the regular season that year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 05, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on January 05, 2017, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2017, 11:33:59 AM
Honestly, while I'm pleased with the season to date I had not even considered Mount as a pool C candidate.  They've pretty much beaten who they should IMO.  If they could have pulled off the Williams game that would have been a nice feather in the cap.  They played JCU toe-to-toe in UH, but I'm waiting to see how the Etta games go before I get too excited.  The thing that gives me hope is that they have 2 guys that can score in bunches.  I like having go to scorers in tight games.   

It looks like there is definitely some parity in the OAC this year too.  Wilm beat Cap last night.  Ott beat ONU. I don't know if the conference is down as a whole or if the bottom just improved.  Maybe partially both.  Either way it should make for an interesting ride if there are no guaranteed W's this year.

That's the question I have been asking myself the last few weeks. The last few seasons have been Marietta, Mount, JCU and everyone else. I really think the bottom has improved. Muskingum has showed a huge jump in talent and competitiveness over the last few seasons with Schwab at the helm. Otterbein is showing signs of improvement after a couple years at the bottom. Ohio Northern is very consistent and knocked off JCU earlier in the year. This is probably the best top to bottom OAC I've seen in awhile and it's going to bite the teams at the top who pick up a few more losses throughout conference play.

I think the bottom has improved this season but I assume, in time if not this season, some school will take Muskingum's place and the pecking order will have new names but the same result.  Muskingum took Marietta's place so, in turn, it is likely that someone will take Muskingum's place.  It does seem though that no one this season is as poor as Muskingum was last season - that I will give you.

I am of the opinion that the conference is better this season than last season, not down.  I could be wrong.  Time till tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on January 08, 2017, 12:18:01 PM
The up and down season for Ohio Northern cannot be explained.  The last four games ONU has looked miserable, and then yesterday they upset Marietta.  They were able to do so without their two starting big guys who are out with injury.  Aron Tress and Joey Diorio both had their best games of the season and Nate Burger, Devon Allen and Konner Baker all played well.  It should be an interesting rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 08, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: Beyond the Arc on January 08, 2017, 12:18:01 PM
The up and down season for Ohio Northern cannot be explained.  The last four games ONU has looked miserable, and then yesterday they upset Marietta.  They were able to do so without their two starting big guys who are out with injury.  Aron Tress and Joey Diorio both had their best games of the season and Nate Burger, Devon Allen and Konner Baker all played well.  It should be an interesting rest of the season.

Credit ONU, they got their fair amount of open shots yesterday and every time they needed a big basket, they knocked it down. They answered every time Marietta looked like it was going to mount a run and never let the lead get under 5-6 points. ONU shot 59% and were a similar number from behind the arc (54.5%). ONU has struggled for consistency at times this year, but I walked away from the ONU Sports Center very impressed with the Polar Bears. They're going to be a factor in the OAC race this year if they can put together more performances like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 08, 2017, 08:38:50 PM
I watched Mount lose at home to Ott yesterday.  It was painful to watch to be honest.  Mount's D was awful.  And their offense looked terrible for stretches due in large part to some less-than-smart shot selections mainly by Kukura (7-23 FG).  Jackson was great (again) and nearly saved their a$$ (again) by hitting a huge 3 with 10 seconds left to take the lead.  But Ott hit a loooong 3 at the buzzer to force OT and that deflated Mount.  Fuline's quote per The Review post game summed it up.  "We have too many guys worrying about their next shot and not making their next stop."  Amen.

Side note, that coach for Ott does a nice job.  They have no athletes.  He knows it.  And he wisely plays zone and then grinds out half court offensive possessions.  There were zero fast break points in that game.  None.  They just execute enough to score, make their FT and make you beat the zone.  A good, consistent team won't have a problem.  Inconsistent teams?  Buckle up. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 09, 2017, 09:51:04 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 08, 2017, 08:38:50 PM
Inconsistent teams?  Buckle up.

Bad news for my Streaks!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 11, 2017, 09:04:01 PM
I thought Mount might steal one on the river.  Woulda been huge.  But that last 5:50?  Yikes.  The final ends up looking like you're Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 12, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
I watched your game as the JCU game was audio only at the Rike Center.  I thought you had them right where you wanted them and  . . .then . . .well, just like you said, the last 5-7 minutes happened. 

As for Otterbein, I can see how they could be dangerous but we buried them with a big run over he last 6 minutes or so of the first half and they never really threatened us after that. Onto Wilmington.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 14, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
Cap 30, Mount 29 at half.  That was not a pretty half of basketball.  Both teams look very average.  Cap doesn't really appear to have a lot of scoring threats.  Jackson is 1-6 for Mount.  Just not an offensive display so far.  Lots of ugly possessions from Mount. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 12, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
I watched your game as the JCU game was audio only at the Rike Center.  I thought you had them right where you wanted them and  . . .then . . .well, just like you said, the last 5-7 minutes happened. 

As for Otterbein, I can see how they could be dangerous but we buried them with a big run over he last 6 minutes or so of the first half and they never really threatened us after that. Onto Wilmington.

That's how it should be for a good team, right?  That's why Mount losing to them at home was a head scratcher.  Just a bad loss.  You can't lose to Ott at home.  They bounced back to pick up a solid win at Cap.  I didn't exactly have that game penciled in as a sure W so I'll call those two a wash I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 16, 2017, 12:42:29 PM

Conference   Overall
#23 Marietta   6-2   11-4
John Carroll   6-2   9-5
Ohio Northern   6-2   8-7
Mount Union   5-3   10-5
Muskingum   4-4   10-5
Capital           4-4   9-6
Baldwin Wallace 3-5   8-7
Otterbein           3-5   7-8
Heidelberg   2-6   6-9
Wilmington   1-7   6-9


Thoughts as we approach the end of the first round of conference play:

I've been pleasantly surprised by Ohio Northern and Muskingum this year. Ohio Northern will have to get a win at Marietta and/or John Carroll though to stay in the conference race which will not be an easy task. Muskingum is playing a much higher level of basketball but has not shown they can play top notch basketball every night. I have gone on record though thinking the Muskies will be in the top tier of this conference next year. Otterbein continues to show signs of life again after a rough couple of seasons. Marietta and John Carroll have both shown at times this year they are the best team in the conference and look vulnerable at others.

I know it sounds like a broken record but I think we end up where we thought we would at the beginning of the year with Marietta and John Carroll battling it out for the title. Obviously, the head to head match up this Saturday is very important. How does the addition of RaNeal Ewing change things for Marietta?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2017, 01:59:58 PM
Ewing???  That kid is still playing?!?!  I watched him as a senior at Scioto and I haven't been to a game there since I moved in Dec. 2010! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
Mount fights off Musky 85-82 for a much needed win to move to 6-3 in the OAC.  This is not the Musky of years past.  They have a couple dudes on that team.  They're going to be a handful the next couple of years. 

I looked at the schedule and this stretch of Musky, ONU, JCU, Wilm to finish January they need to go 3-1 to have any real shot at finishing in the top 2.  It'd help tremendously to get a win over JCU to split that head-to-head.  At ONU is going to be a challenge.  That'd be a big win.  Having watched a fair amount of OAC ball this year I think this is one of the more fun seasons so far.  Very competitive.  Mount individually has played in a ton of close games already.  It's been fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Mount dropped one 86-75 at ONU this afternoon.  They were up at the half 35-32, but ONU blistered the nets in the 2nd half (64%).  Both teams shot 40% in the first half and Mount dipped a touch down to 38% in the 2nd.  Not a recipe for success to shoot below 40% and the other guys are making almost 2/3 of theirs.  The 2nd half was not kind to Jackson (3-9) or Kukura (3-10).  Never easy to win in Ada.  On to JCU...   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 21, 2017, 08:18:27 PM
Got to see a great battle this afternoon at Ban Johnson between Marietta and John Carroll. Another knock down drag out fight between these two with Marietta walking away with an 86-81 victory. The teams split the season series and it felt the whole time I was watching it I was watching the 2nd part of another trilogy between these two teams.

JCU a couple of times nearly walked away with it in the first half building the lead to double digits with incredible ball movement and guys knocking down open shots. At one point, JCU had an 18-0 run in the first half but settled for a 7 point halftime lead. Marietta completely flipped the table to start the second half and used a 16-0 run to build the lead that they protected the rest of the way. JCU got it down to a 1 possession game a couple of times but Marietta had the answer and would push it back out to 7-9 points.

Congratulations to A.J. Edwards today on surpassing the 1,000 point mark. It's been an amazing career for him at Marietta. I still remember sitting in the gym at Defiance Collefe a few years back at their holiday tournament and the light bulb going off in my head his sophomore year that he could be a special player. A class act, a great student, and a fantastic representative of the Marietta program.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on January 21, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Mount dropped one 86-75 at ONU this afternoon.  They were up at the half 35-32, but ONU blistered the nets in the 2nd half (64%).  Both teams shot 40% in the first half and Mount dipped a touch down to 38% in the 2nd.  Not a recipe for success to shoot below 40% and the other guys are making almost 2/3 of theirs.  The 2nd half was not kind to Jackson (3-9) or Kukura (3-10).  Never easy to win in Ada.  On to JCU...   

Dr.  I agree on the tough second half for Mount.  They could not buy a bucket with many rimming out.  ONU was down early and came back to within 3 at half thanks to some great play from Nate Burger.  Second half Devon Allen Joey Diorio got hot and propelled ONU to a win.  ONU has won 5 in a row and looking like a contender in the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 21, 2017, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: Beyond the Arc on January 21, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Mount dropped one 86-75 at ONU this afternoon.  They were up at the half 35-32, but ONU blistered the nets in the 2nd half (64%).  Both teams shot 40% in the first half and Mount dipped a touch down to 38% in the 2nd.  Not a recipe for success to shoot below 40% and the other guys are making almost 2/3 of theirs.  The 2nd half was not kind to Jackson (3-9) or Kukura (3-10).  Never easy to win in Ada.  On to JCU...   

Dr.  I agree on the tough second half for Mount.  They could not buy a bucket with many rimming out.  ONU was down early and came back to within 3 at half thanks to some great play from Nate Burger.  Second half Devon Allen Joey Diorio got hot and propelled ONU to a win.  ONU has won 5 in a row and looking like a contender in the OAC.

Ohio Northern has been a pleasant surprise this year...I think I pegged them to be around the middle of the pack this year and if you watched them in November you'd have thought that would have been about right. They went 2-5 out of conference but in OAC play they've been pretty darn good and nearly impossible to beat at home. They can shoot it...they put on one one of the best shooting performances I think I've seen when I saw them play Etta in Ada a few weeks back (I don't think anything will beat the shooting performance Mount Union and Marietta put on a few years ago..a combined 40 made 3's but I'm off track here). I said it a little bit ago and will say it again...Ohio Northern's title hopes rest in the last couple weeks of February...@John Carroll and @Marietta. Can they take the shooting on the road in two hostile environments late in the year? I know one thing....the OAC Tournament is going to be bonkers this year. Any one of 6-7 teams could get hot and win it this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 26, 2017, 09:35:19 AM
Mount drops another close one to JCU.  Streaks won this one 82-78.  Mount had the ball down 80-78 with around 30 seconds to play so they had their shot at it.  Unfortunately they turned it over and didn't even get a shot.  Oddly, Jackson only had 3 shot attempts last night.  Even stranger was that Niamke (a rotational big man off the bench) put up 27 and 11.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: joelmama on January 30, 2017, 10:32:15 AM
1st Mount game I have seen in a couple of years.

Niamke was able to do whatever he wanted and neither JCU big man could stop him.  JCU's full court pressure tired out Mounts main scoring threat until they started having other players bring the ball up court.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 31, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
Mount fights off Musky 85-82 for a much needed win to move to 6-3 in the OAC.  This is not the Musky of years past.  They have a couple dudes on that team.  They're going to be a handful the next couple of years. 

I looked at the schedule and this stretch of Musky, ONU, JCU, Wilm to finish January they need to go 3-1 to have any real shot at finishing in the top 2.  It'd help tremendously to get a win over JCU to split that head-to-head.  At ONU is going to be a challenge.  That'd be a big win.  Having watched a fair amount of OAC ball this year I think this is one of the more fun seasons so far.  Very competitive.  Mount individually has played in a ton of close games already.  It's been fun to watch.

Welp, that didn't go as hoped.  Mount drops 3 of the 4 and is limping into a game with Etta tomorrow on a 3 game skid.  They got their a$$es kicked at Wilm Saturday.  The Quakers (2-9 in OAC play entering the game, BTW) blow their doors off in the first half leading by 21 at half.  I have no idea how that even happens.  Well, I guess I do.  The other team shooting 68% from the floor is probably an issue.  Mount also had 3 guys foul out in 20 minutes or less.  That's tough to do.  Actually, in the 2nd half Jackson picked up his final 3 fouls in 4 minutes total.  They had an absurd 25 fouls in the 2nd half.  And not a bunch at the end trying to stop the clock.  The game was never closer than 12 points.

The Raiders are now 6-6 in the OAC and most definitely trending in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 31, 2017, 12:37:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 31, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
Mount fights off Musky 85-82 for a much needed win to move to 6-3 in the OAC.  This is not the Musky of years past.  They have a couple dudes on that team.  They're going to be a handful the next couple of years. 

I looked at the schedule and this stretch of Musky, ONU, JCU, Wilm to finish January they need to go 3-1 to have any real shot at finishing in the top 2.  It'd help tremendously to get a win over JCU to split that head-to-head.  At ONU is going to be a challenge.  That'd be a big win.  Having watched a fair amount of OAC ball this year I think this is one of the more fun seasons so far.  Very competitive.  Mount individually has played in a ton of close games already.  It's been fun to watch.

Welp, that didn't go as hoped.  Mount drops 3 of the 4 and is limping into a game with Etta tomorrow on a 3 game skid.  They got their a$$es kicked at Wilm Saturday.  The Quakers (2-9 in OAC play entering the game, BTW) blow their doors off in the first half leading by 21 at half.  I have no idea how that even happens.  Well, I guess I do.  The other team shooting 68% from the floor is probably an issue.  Mount also had 3 guys foul out in 20 minutes or less.  That's tough to do.  Actually, in the 2nd half Jackson picked up his final 3 fouls in 4 minutes total.  They had an absurd 25 fouls in the 2nd half.  And not a bunch at the end trying to stop the clock.  The game was never closer than 12 points.

The Raiders are now 6-6 in the OAC and most definitely trending in the wrong direction.

Just remember this is the OAC and logic rarely applies. Mount is due for one of those games where they hit 20+ 3 pointers again like they did a few years back against my Pioneers.

Remember just a game before Ohio Northern put up 101 on Marietta earlier this month, Otterbein held them to just 50 points. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 31, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
They don't have the shooters for that this year I'm afraid.  Other than Jackson I don't know that anyone is getting that hot.  Stenger has shown flashes of that so maybe him if I absolutely had to pick a 2nd guy.  They just have too many guys shooting in the 30's from the field.  We're deep enough into the season that it kind of is what it is at this point.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on January 31, 2017, 09:10:04 PM
Has John Carroll decided what it is going to do for coaching next year after Moran retires?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2017, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: fishermba on January 31, 2017, 09:10:04 PM
Has John Carroll decided what it is going to do for coaching next year after Moran retires?

They are opening it up to a national search when the season ends.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 01, 2017, 12:04:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2017, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: fishermba on January 31, 2017, 09:10:04 PM
Has John Carroll decided what it is going to do for coaching next year after Moran retires?

They are opening it up to a national search when the season ends.

I can confirm that fact.  It will not be a coronation of Pete Moran without a search as Coach (Mike) Moran, I assume and to which he alluded to wanting in an article, would like.  I have heard that he is not out of the question but there will be a search and a process.

Interesting that Flannery transferred from Gannon.  His father is the well-thought-of coach at Lakewood St. Edwards who also has a role with USA Basketball.  Conspiracy theories abound that he is coming to JCU because his dad is coming after the season as head coach but, honestly, I have heard more rumors about Flannery replacing Waters at Cleveland State than I have heard about him coming to JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fishermba on February 01, 2017, 01:49:50 PM
 Flannery seems like a heck of a great replacement if JCU can get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 01, 2017, 02:36:41 PM
I don't think we can put together a financial package that will make sense for him to leave Saint Ed's.  I know he has an OAC-like salary there plus USA Basketball stipend plus a VERY lucrative camp situation which I do not think would easily transfer to JCU (though it could be built up to that in time).  The free tuition would be a great benefit, of course, but if he has his eyes set on CSU and D1 basketball, I just cannot think that he will go to a D3 program for a financial package that is the same or (or, if we stretch the budget) slightly better than what he makes now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on February 01, 2017, 10:04:49 PM
Another good win for Ohio Northern tonight.  They are on a roll with 8 wins in a row.  Devon Allen, Ryan Bruns and Joey Diorio all looked good.  Nate Burger and Aron Tress were also in double figures.  They are playing great ball right now and I hope it continues.  There next two games are at home verse Muskingum and Heidelberg.  They need to make sure they do not overlook these two.  The final three games are going to be difficult.  At JCU, home verse Otterbein (one of their OAC losses this year) and then at Marietta.  It is going to be a fun final five games to watch.

Go Polar Bears!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 02, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
Mount lost to Etta 82-75.  They dug another huge halftime hole.  45-26 Pios at the break last night.  They did battle back to tie the game with a minute to go so they showed a ton of fight.  That's impressive to mount a comeback like that against Etta.  And they did so without 2 starters (Kukura and Griffin) playing at all in the 2nd half.  Not sure what the story is there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2017, 10:19:14 AM
Does anyone have/know the tiebreaker criteria for the OAC tournament seeding process? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 03, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2017, 10:19:14 AM
Does anyone have/know the tiebreaker criteria for the OAC tournament seeding process?

http://www.oac.org/information/Handbook/Sports_Guideline/BASKETBALL_TOURNAMENT-_1-25-17-.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2017, 10:39:01 AM
Quote from: sac on February 03, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2017, 10:19:14 AM
Does anyone have/know the tiebreaker criteria for the OAC tournament seeding process?

http://www.oac.org/information/Handbook/Sports_Guideline/BASKETBALL_TOURNAMENT-_1-25-17-.pdf

Thanks, sac.  I spun my wheels on the OAC website for a bit but could not find that.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 04, 2017, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 31, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
They don't have the shooters for that this year I'm afraid.  Other than Jackson I don't know that anyone is getting that hot.  Stenger has shown flashes of that so maybe him if I absolutely had to pick a 2nd guy.  They just have too many guys shooting in the 30's from the field.  We're deep enough into the season that it kind of is what it is at this point.

Fifth & Putnam, Stenger made my quote above look silly and had that game you feared against Etta today against Cap instead.  He hit 9-10 in the first half including 7-8 from deep.  Mount was up 20 at break and cruised to a 91-70 win.  Freshman D'Vontay Friga got his first start in place of the injured(?) Kukura and responded with 15 pts, 9 reb, 6 assists.  It looks like Mount was short 3 starters as Griffin and Bower-Malone also did not play today.  Good win, especially shorthanded. 

Also, I'm interested to see how Niamke develops.  He's a big kid (6-5, 230) and he's impressively efficient (69.6% FG).  His big game against JCU (11-14, 27 pts) raised an eyebrow for me after he had a solid game at Etta too (6-6, 13 pts).     
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 08, 2017, 10:31:41 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 03, 2017, 10:19:14 AM
Does anyone have/know the tiebreaker criteria for the OAC tournament seeding process?

So the top of league race with four to play....

12-2
Marietta:  Cap, @Wilm, Musk, ONU
ONU: Berg, @JCU, OTT, @Mar

ONU's game against JCU is not a deal breaker for them to be the top seed.  They can lose that one and beat Marietta and still claim the top spot. 
Marietta simply has to win out.  Losing one of their other three games and beating ONU doesn't look like a real positive scenario for the pioneers to be the top seed.

11-3
JCU:  @BW, ONU, @Berg, Cap.

JCU has to win one of four to clinch the 3rd seed in the tournament. 

If JCU wins out, they put themselves in an interesting spot to potentially be co-champs, with a lot riding on the ONU@MAR game.  If JCU finishes 15-3, Northern will have at least three losses.  In a three way tie (which means that ONU likely has to win @Marietta) ONU would still be the top seed as they would be 3-1 in the group, JCU would be the 2 as they are 2-2, and Marietta would be the three at 1-3. 

JCU's hope to be the top seed is to win out, have Marietta beat ONU (to give the bears four losses) and lose to someone who finishes below Muskingum (ie Wilmington).

It is basketball. Anything can happen on any given night.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 08, 2017, 08:45:44 PM
Watching the 2nd half of this Mount game.  It's going to really sting if they drop this one in OT at Musky.  Up 3 with 29 sec left Musky got FOUR shots on their final possession finally hitting the tying 3. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 08, 2017, 09:20:36 PM
This game is fantastic!  Headed to a 3rd OT.  Mount had Musky dead and let them survive.  Up 3 they fouled on purpose.  Kid makes the first, leaves the 2nd short.  Musky somehow gets the board and lays it in to tie it!  Total par for the course in this game though.  So fun.

Also, Musky freshman guard Marcus Dempsey currently has 38.  Impressive stuff.

Mount survives 117-111 in 3 OT.  Really exciting game to watch.  Both teams were making big shots every time it seemed like they might be done.  Jackson scored 8 in the 3rd OT to finish with 36 and 10.  He's so good.  Clutch 3 point shooter, so physical for a guard too.  He made a huge play just being physical cutting without the ball and absorbing contact and finishing.  I'm going to miss watching him play next year.  And Musky has some good young guys.  They're going to be a handful going forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 09, 2017, 08:15:55 AM
DeAllen Jackson is one of the better players I have seen in the past four or five years.  Somehow Marietta was able to shut him down once and contain him in the other game.  He is deceptively strong and can get his shot any time he wants.  He is almost always one of the best players on the floor in any game Mount Union plays. 

Kukura has been a mystery this year.  Considering what he has done in past seasons, he did not live up to my expectations when I saw him against Marietta.  Perhaps he is not 100% healthy.  He looked heavy when they were here in Marietta.  I don't mean this to be disparaging towards him, but having seen him play the past couple of years, I was expecting much more. 

Mount lost a lot of young men to graduation in the past couple of years.  They are not as deep and dynamic this year as they were the past couple of seasons.

Capital decided they were going to let anyone else beat them other than AJ Edwards, and while the strategy had Marietta a little frustrated early on, the perimeter guys from Marietta got going in a big way and took control.  Dillon Young was 9-11 from the floor and 7-8 from behind the arc.  He had a lot of open looks as Capital continuously sagged off of him to keep the ball from entering the post.  And Young made them pay for it.   

Capital could be a real handful in the coming years.  They have three freshman bigs who are pretty decent players already.  If they can continue to develop, they will give some teams fits. They are also very young as a whole.

The top four all hold serve against opponents they should have defeated.  There will be some shake up on Saturday when ONU and JCU meet in University Heights. 

The biggest surprise, for me, this year has been Northern.  I didn't expect them to be in the hunt for the league crown.
The biggest disappointment for me has been BW.  They just don't have enough guys to make plays.  Cam Kuhn is still a tremendous player, and Fetherhoff is very good, but beyond those guys, it is a mixed bag. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 09, 2017, 10:38:58 AM
I was a little surprised at how young Mount has been going in crunch time.  It was Jackson and then all sophs/frosh outside of Mason.  Last night they were running with 2 freshmen guards (although Jackson had the ball in his hands off the inbound most of the time).

Kukura I believe has been battling back problems.  If I remember correctly he actually tweaked his back last year too.  It may be a chronic issue that he deals with.  He has always been a thick dude.  He likes to drive the ball and use his size so it helps him mostly.  I just wonder if the back thing is hurting his ability to practice/condition like normal.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 11, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
Berg won an OT thriller against Mount 97-94.  Bower-Malone scored at the buzzer to force OT, but Mount couldn't pull it out.  Berg absolutely destroyed Mount on the glass 52-28 including 21-6 on the offensive glass.  Injuries have forced his hand a little, but Fuline seems to be getting a lot of minutes for his freshmen and sophomores now.  They're 8-8 so I'm certainly not opposed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 13, 2017, 10:18:37 AM
Two games to go in the regular season, the race for #1 seed and league title heats up. 


Marietta:  Musk, ONU:  Win out.  It is simple. It gets really murky if Marietta loses to Muskingum and beats ONU.  Marietta and JCU would potentially have identical records against the OAC, and the top seed would be determined by a coin toss.  Yuck.  If Marietta beats Musky and loses to ONU, Marietta potentially falls to the third seed depending on other outcomes.

ONU: OTT, @MAR:  Win out.  A loss to otterbein means chaos must ensue in Berea and Marietta for them to have a chance. Nothing is impossible in basketball, but some things are more likely than others.

JCU: @Berg, Cap:  Win out and hope for help.  JCU really needs Marietta to lose to Muskingum and beat Northern or Northern to lose to Otterbein and beat Marietta.  An ONU-JCU tie is won by ONU because ONU would be 2-0 against MAR.

The battle for 4th.

Contenders. Mount (8-8) Musk (7-9) BW, CAP, and Berg (all 6-10)

Mount: @BW, @ OTT:  Win one and they are the 4.  They are 2-0 against Musky which would break a tie.  Beating BW would also push BW out of the race for fourth.
Musky:  @MAR, @BERG: Win out and hope Mount loses two.  Might be a tall order to go to Marietta and win. 
BW, CAP and Berg: Win out, hope Mount loses two, and Muskingum loses at least one, then who knows.  I don't have the time to go through the combinations, as that would be total chaos.

The race for 8th....

Wilmington has a chance.  They play cap and BW.  They would need to win both.  Then they need CAP to also lose to JCU.  At that point Wilmington would be 2-0 against Capital and break the possible tie.  A tie with BW is also possible, but you have to start from the top down to figure out who did what against whom.....I'm not interested enough to figure that out for the 8 seed.

Out. 
Otterbein. 
Wilmington if they lose one.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 15, 2017, 09:00:17 AM
Today's most interesting match ups with playoff implications:

Mount @ BW:  Mount has battled injury problems of late.  BW is not as deep as they were the past few years.  This could be an interesting matchup.
Wilmington @ Cap:  If the quakers want in, they need to win this on and again on Saturday.  Cap is fighting to stay in the tourney.  Wilmington is an athletic team. 

The others...

JCU @ Berg:  Berg is athletic, but the Streaks are a very strong team.  JCU is still in the hunt for the top seed. 
OTT @ ONU: ONU hung 50 on the cardinals last time and lost.  Oh wait this isn't football, 50 is not that impressive.  ONU should roll big.
MUSK @ MAR:  Marietta is tough at home.  The last time these two rivals squared off Marietta hung 100 on the Muskies.  If Marietta is looking too far ahead, they should handle business.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 15, 2017, 09:55:33 AM
I hate saying anything is 100% but Marietta can pretty much lock up an NCAA Tourney bid tonight with a win. Even a worse case scenario where they win tonight and lose Saturday to ONU and then again in the quarters of the OAC Tournament...20-6 should be good enough to secure an at-large.

Coach VanderWal and the Pioneers will be looking to keep the pedal to the medal and keep winning to lock up hosting duties the first weekend of the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2017, 04:03:22 PM
Regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 16, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
So the league race took shape last night....

Seed and Scenario

1.  ONU or Marietta:  They play on Saturday.  Winner is the top seed.
2.  JCU.  Regardless of the outcome of the game above, JCU will be the 2 with a win over CAP.  ONU would have the the tie breaker over JCU by being 2-0 vs. MAR.  Marietta would be a game ahead if the Pios win.
3.  Assuming JCU takes care of business against Cap, ONU or Marietta:  Loser goes here.  ONU would be a game behind JCU. Marietta would fall to the three in a three way tie because they would be 0-2 against ONU.  However, there is a chance with an ONU loss and a JCU loss, JCU could be the three.
4.  Most likely Mount Union.  Mount is the outright 4 seed with  a win over last place Ott. If they lose, then:  Two way tie possibilities. Mount and BW (1-1), Mount wins by being 1-1 vs. ONU.  Mount and Muskingum (Mount is 2-0), Mount wins tie. Mount and Cap Mount Mount is 2-0.   Mount would come out on top in a three way tie which involves Muskingum or Capital due to being 2-0 against both of them and BW splitting with both. 
5.  So the contenders for this seed are Musk, BW and Cap who are all 7-10.  The games:
A Muskingum win looks like it gives them the 5th seed.  The tie breaker vs BW is the win against JCU.  The tie breaker against Cap would be their 2-0 record vs Wilmington where Cap is 0-2. 
A muskingum loss opens the door for the others, but there could still be a 4 way tie for the fifth spot if both BW and CAP lose on Saturday.
6-8....

Wilmington and Ott have been eliminated.

My picks...

Marietta over ONU at home.
JCU over Cap (Mike Moran's last regular season home game as coach...)
Mount over Ott
Musk over Berg
BW over Wilmington.

My predictions for the tourney.

1.  Marietta vs. 8. Berg
2.  JCU vs. 7. Cap
3.  ONU vs. 6. BW
4. Mount vs. 5. Musk

(I could see BW and Muskingum switching spots though).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on February 16, 2017, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on February 16, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
So the league race took shape last night....

Seed and Scenario

1.  ONU or Marietta:  They play on Saturday.  Winner is the top seed.
2.  JCU.  Regardless of the outcome of the game above, JCU will be the 2 with a win over CAP.  ONU would have the the tie breaker over JCU by being 2-0 vs. MAR.  Marietta would be a game ahead if the Pios win.
3.  Assuming JCU takes care of business against Cap, ONU or Marietta:  Loser goes here.  ONU would be a game behind JCU. Marietta would fall to the three in a three way tie because they would be 0-2 against ONU.  However, there is a chance with an ONU loss and a JCU loss, JCU could be the three.
4.  Most likely Mount Union.  Mount is the outright 4 seed with  a win over last place Ott. If they lose, then:  Two way tie possibilities. Mount and BW (1-1), Mount wins by being 1-1 vs. ONU.  Mount and Muskingum (Mount is 2-0), Mount wins tie. Mount and Cap Mount Mount is 2-0.   Mount would come out on top in a three way tie which involves Muskingum or Capital due to being 2-0 against both of them and BW splitting with both. 
5.  So the contenders for this seed are Musk, BW and Cap who are all 7-10.  The games:

  • MUSK @ Berg
  • BW @ Wilm
  • CAP @ JCU
  • All Three are 1-1 against each other
A Muskingum win looks like it gives them the 5th seed.  The tie breaker vs BW is the win against JCU.  The tie breaker against Cap would be their 2-0 record vs Wilmington where Cap is 0-2. 
A muskingum loss opens the door for the others, but there could still be a 4 way tie for the fifth spot if both BW and CAP lose on Saturday.
6-8....

  • If Berg loses to Muskingum they will be 8th
  • Lots of other possibilities.

Wilmington and Ott have been eliminated.

My picks...

Marietta over ONU at home.
JCU over Cap (Mike Moran's last regular season home game as coach...)
Mount over Ott
Musk over Berg
BW over Wilmington.

My predictions for the tourney.

1.  Marietta vs. 8. Berg
2.  JCU vs. 7. Cap
3.  ONU vs. 6. BW
4. Mount vs. 5. Musk

(I could see BW and Muskingum switching spots though).

I think your predictions are pretty spot on personally. I do think Marietta takes care of business against Northern, and JCU beats Capital to secure No. 2. Especially with it being Moran's last game, added with a post-game celebration planned, there will be good attendance to help. If I weren't in Chicago, I'd definitely be going.

As far as the tournament. I think the 4 semi teams will be Marietta, JCU, ONU and Mount. I know it's easy to take the Top 4, but I think they are all going to be able to use home-court to their advantage.

I believe Marietta is in regardless of outcome. I think JCU is in, especially if they get to the championship game, but should be in as long as ONU does not win the tournament.

While the OAC is a good conference, I don't know if the NCAA will take 3 teams from the OAC if Northern wins, which would leave JCU on the outside looking in.

But who knows, maybe with it being Moran's last year, JCU gets the nod regardless out of respect to Moran?

Either way, it's shaping up to be an interesting week.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2017, 02:15:58 PM
Operating under the assumption that ONU wins the conference tournament, it is my opinion that barring an inordinate amount of conference tournament upsets, Marietta will be in the field of 64 regardless of their performance on Saturday or in the OAC tournament.  JCU will most likely be in if they win on Saturday and without regard to their OAC tournament performance. 

I do not see many paths for ONU to get in the Field of 64 other that as an AQ.  They certainly would not hurt their cause with a win over Etta Saturday and a win over either JCU or Etta in the semis but I just do not like their at-large hopes.  They have at-large hopes but they have to be operating under the assumption that they need to get the AQ berth for the OAC.

The committee will not care on iota about Coach Moran or being respectful to him.  I may not like the process all the time but it sticks to the numbers about as closely as any tournament process of which I am aware.  Now, I do think it comes into play more bracketing, host sites, etc. but the actual selection is very data driven, in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 16, 2017, 02:37:32 PM
I'd love to see those predictions hold.  Never thought I'd say this, but I'd be excited to see Musky play Mount again.  That last game they played was something else.  They're very evenly matched. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2017, 02:15:58 PM
Operating under the assumption that ONU wins the conference tournament, it is my opinion that barring an inordinate amount of conference tournament upsets, Marietta will be in the field of 64 regardless of their performance on Saturday or in the OAC tournament.  JCU will most likely be in if they win on Saturday and without regard to their OAC tournament performance. 

I do not see many paths for ONU to get in the Field of 64 other that as an AQ.  They certainly would not hurt their cause with a win over Etta Saturday and a win over either JCU or Etta in the semis but I just do not like their at-large hopes.  They have at-large hopes but they have to be operating under the assumption that they need to get the AQ berth for the OAC.

The committee will not care on iota about Coach Moran or being respectful to him.  I may not like the process all the time but it sticks to the numbers about as closely as any tournament process of which I am aware.  Now, I do think it comes into play more bracketing, host sites, etc. but the actual selection is very data driven, in my opinion.

I think Marietta is safe... but if they stub their toes in the semis they open the door.. but I still think they are safe. I answered the JCU question in the region page, but you are right... Moran's last year won't make a damn bit of difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 17, 2017, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2017, 02:15:58 PM
Operating under the assumption that ONU wins the conference tournament, it is my opinion that barring an inordinate amount of conference tournament upsets, Marietta will be in the field of 64 regardless of their performance on Saturday or in the OAC tournament.  JCU will most likely be in if they win on Saturday and without regard to their OAC tournament performance. 

I do not see many paths for ONU to get in the Field of 64 other that as an AQ.  They certainly would not hurt their cause with a win over Etta Saturday and a win over either JCU or Etta in the semis but I just do not like their at-large hopes.  They have at-large hopes but they have to be operating under the assumption that they need to get the AQ berth for the OAC.

The committee will not care on iota about Coach Moran or being respectful to him.  I may not like the process all the time but it sticks to the numbers about as closely as any tournament process of which I am aware.  Now, I do think it comes into play more bracketing, host sites, etc. but the actual selection is very data driven, in my opinion.

I think Marietta is safe... but if they stub their toes in the semis they open the door.. but I still think they are safe. I answered the JCU question in the region page, but you are right... Moran's last year won't make a damn bit of difference.

I would go so far as to say that the majority of the committee does not know Mike Moran and certainly is not aware that he is retiring.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2017, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 17, 2017, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2017, 02:15:58 PM
Operating under the assumption that ONU wins the conference tournament, it is my opinion that barring an inordinate amount of conference tournament upsets, Marietta will be in the field of 64 regardless of their performance on Saturday or in the OAC tournament.  JCU will most likely be in if they win on Saturday and without regard to their OAC tournament performance. 

I do not see many paths for ONU to get in the Field of 64 other that as an AQ.  They certainly would not hurt their cause with a win over Etta Saturday and a win over either JCU or Etta in the semis but I just do not like their at-large hopes.  They have at-large hopes but they have to be operating under the assumption that they need to get the AQ berth for the OAC.

The committee will not care on iota about Coach Moran or being respectful to him.  I may not like the process all the time but it sticks to the numbers about as closely as any tournament process of which I am aware.  Now, I do think it comes into play more bracketing, host sites, etc. but the actual selection is very data driven, in my opinion.

I think Marietta is safe... but if they stub their toes in the semis they open the door.. but I still think they are safe. I answered the JCU question in the region page, but you are right... Moran's last year won't make a damn bit of difference.

I would go so far as to say that the majority of the committee does not know Mike Moran and certainly is not aware that he is retiring.

If you are making that argument because some of the nat'l committee is not coaches... okay. But there are a lot of current and former coaches on that committee and it is chaired by the Great Lakes Region chair Kevin Vande Streek. I don't think his retirement is a surprise and maybe just one person on that committee doesn't know who Mike Moran is and I he has been getting up to speed on the nation - giving me the sense he actually might know who Moran is (the rest have been on the committee for several years).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 17, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2017, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 17, 2017, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2017, 02:15:58 PM
Operating under the assumption that ONU wins the conference tournament, it is my opinion that barring an inordinate amount of conference tournament upsets, Marietta will be in the field of 64 regardless of their performance on Saturday or in the OAC tournament.  JCU will most likely be in if they win on Saturday and without regard to their OAC tournament performance. 

I do not see many paths for ONU to get in the Field of 64 other that as an AQ.  They certainly would not hurt their cause with a win over Etta Saturday and a win over either JCU or Etta in the semis but I just do not like their at-large hopes.  They have at-large hopes but they have to be operating under the assumption that they need to get the AQ berth for the OAC.

The committee will not care on iota about Coach Moran or being respectful to him.  I may not like the process all the time but it sticks to the numbers about as closely as any tournament process of which I am aware.  Now, I do think it comes into play more bracketing, host sites, etc. but the actual selection is very data driven, in my opinion.

I think Marietta is safe... but if they stub their toes in the semis they open the door.. but I still think they are safe. I answered the JCU question in the region page, but you are right... Moran's last year won't make a damn bit of difference.

I would go so far as to say that the majority of the committee does not know Mike Moran and certainly is not aware that he is retiring.

If you are making that argument because some of the nat'l committee is not coaches... okay. But there are a lot of current and former coaches on that committee and it is chaired by the Great Lakes Region chair Kevin Vande Streek. I don't think his retirement is a surprise and maybe just one person on that committee doesn't know who Mike Moran is and I he has been getting up to speed on the nation - giving me the sense he actually might know who Moran is (the rest have been on the committee for several years).

I meant no disrespect to the members of the committee or the legitimacy of the committee.  My point is simply that there are so many D3 programs and so little inter-region interaction, I would not be surprised if many members of the committee are not aware of the coaches of particular schools, their status, longevity,  etc.  Their focus, I would assume, is on the teams and on the numbers/criteria.  I am sure there is a "fraternity" of sorts and Coach Moran has been around a long time but I think you get my point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 18, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
Capital 76
JCU 75

Capital shot the ball extremely well. JCU missed a lot of free throws and couldn't make plays down the stretch. Chance of an at-large just decreased. Likely need an OAC finals appearance for an at-large to feel safe.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 18, 2017, 07:50:44 PM
Tourney looks to be...

8 berg @ 1 mar
7 musk @ 2 jcu
6 bw @ 3 onu
5 cap @ mount
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 19, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
I can't help but wonder if with the OAC tourney starting on Tuesday if that impacted some PT yesterday for Mount.  The starting back court (Jackson and Bower-Malone) only played 10 min each (and almost all in the 1st half) at Ott in an easy win.  Foreman played 23 min and had 13 pts and 4 reb as he continues to work himself back into competitive basketball shape. 

p.s. It always makes me chuckle to see Mount's young big man in the box score.  His name is John Carroll.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2017, 08:27:00 PM
Cap and Mount are battling in Alliance.  43-43 just into the 2nd half.  Mount is shooting well (57%) but Cap is hurting them on the offensive glass (8-0).  Tyrel Jackson has 16 already for Cap.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 21, 2017, 09:19:48 PM
Muskingum beats Carroll 69-68 with a last second three. No tournament for JCU.

BW beat Northern.

Mount wins in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on February 21, 2017, 10:16:09 PM
I was hoping to see a ONU-JCU rematch.Now both teams will be watching the rest of the OAC  and NCAA tournaments from home.  Good luck to the rest of the OAC teams.

Polar Bears had a good year.  They played well but were disappointing down the stretch.  Just could not win the big game .They are set up nicely for next year.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on February 21, 2017, 10:48:12 PM
I'm guessing bw wasn't expecting to host a game in the tourney.

Marietta played very poorly, cold shooting and ugly basketball.  Survived in overtime, though. The pioneers attempted 44 free throws tonight. They were 8-33 from the floor in the second half.  This game was very ugly.

Musky @ bw
Mount at Marietta.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2017, 11:13:58 PM
Francesconi was huge for Mount in OT.  It's the tallest of orders trying to win at Ban Johnson, but what the heck...if they somehow found a way they're playing for the title in Alliance!  Parity ruled this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 22, 2017, 06:02:48 PM
Terry Pluto wrote a nice story about Moran retiring.  I especially liked the question about Moran possibly doing individual instruction (which pays $70-100/hr) and Moran laughing it off that he doesn't have anything to say that's worth $100.  Classic.  You have to love guys like that.

Mike Moran story (http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/02/john_carrolls_mike_moran_from.html#incart_river_index)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2017, 08:55:45 PM
Quote"How long have you and JoAnne been married?" I ask.

"Let's see," he said. "Forty-some years. . . why are you doing this to me?"

LOL!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Mount played Etta pretty tough, but it's getting away from them in the last 3 minutes.  What was a single digit game with 3:37 left is now pushed out to 20.  Turnovers and hot shooting are a bad combo.  RaNeal Ewing is trying to score his age...he has 28.   ;D  (It's nowhere near as much fun to make those old guy jokes about anyone besides Dr. Pentello at Cap)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2017, 09:23:39 PM
100-78 final.  The Pios scorched the nets to the tune of 59% from the field.  Good grief.  Tough to win in that gym when the home team shoots like that.  Way to put the pedal to the metal and put that thing away down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2017, 10:20:41 AM
Congratulations to DeAllen Jackson.  OAC POY.  He had a great senior season and will be missed!

As for the season as a whole?  Before the year I would have said this end result would have been disappointing.  I really thought they should have been right there with JCU behind Etta.  But having watched them numerous times they just weren't quite at that level.  I don't think it's that they underachieved, but more I had misjudged a little.  Their defense was not good enough and their offense outside of Jackson lacked consistency sometimes.  The good news is they have literally everyone back next year outside of Jackson.  If Bower-Malone, Friga, Niamke, Foreman, etc. develop they should be very deep when you pair them with Kukura, Mason, Stenger, Griffin (the vets who will play a lot).   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on March 05, 2017, 02:50:43 PM
Marietta still carrying the torch for the OAC into the Sweet 16 with dominating wins over Calvin and Guilford.

The Pioneers will host Rochester, Whitman, and Hardin-Simmons this weekend at Ban Johnson.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 06, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
You can't hate hosting another game or two beyond the first weekend of the tournament.  That definitely means you're having a great season.  Good luck to the Pios!  Keep it going.  Ban Johnson will be rocking.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on April 06, 2017, 07:39:09 PM
Sounds like JCU have their guy...Pete Moran will take over the reigns in University Heights.

http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20170406/pete-moran-follows-his-father-mike-as-next-john-carroll-mens-basketball-coach
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 24, 2017, 08:58:59 AM
I'm always skeptical when a son takes over for his dad.  Your first HC gig is tough, let alone in the shadow of a successful father. For the record this also included when Vince took over for Larry Kehres.  I'd be curious to know who else was in the running for the JCU job.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on April 24, 2017, 04:53:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on April 24, 2017, 08:58:59 AM
I'm always skeptical when a son takes over for his dad.  Your first HC gig is tough, let alone in the shadow of a successful father. For the record this also included when Vince took over for Larry Kehres.  I'd be curious to know who else was in the running for the JCU job.

I agree.  I never had the names confirmed by anyone with direct knowledge but these are the names we heard throughout the process:

Pete Moran
Babe Kwasniak - head coach at  Villa Angela-St. Joseph HS
Eric Flannery - head coach at St. Edward HS
David Pfundstein - head coach at Gilmour Academy
Artie Taylor -- former head coach at Ohio Dominican and head coach at The Wellington School

I find it heard to believe that Pete was the first choice simply because of the length of the search.  If they wanted to give it to him in November, they could have done that but they didn't.  If they wanted to give the illusion of a search, they could have given it to him in mid-March but they didn't.  The fact this happened six weeks after the final game and AFTER the OHSAA season ended tells me they went down several other paths before coming back to Pete.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 25, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
No college coaches other than Pete Moran?

Is that usuual?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on April 25, 2017, 04:12:49 PM
Rumors I heard were that a fellow Great Lakes member head coach was interviewed along with a Division I assistant.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 25, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 25, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
No college coaches other than Pete Moran?

Is that usuual?

Current college coaches, you mean. Artie Taylor spent six years as the head coach of Ohio Dominican. He was the man in charge when that program transitioned from NAIA to D2. He was also Bill Brown's second chair at Wittenberg when the Tigers were a national power back in the middle of the last decade.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on April 26, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 25, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
No college coaches other than Pete Moran?

Is that usuual?

Gordon - I tried to point out that what I heard what far from official and probably only slightly better than flat-out rumors.  There may have been others interviewed and, for all I know, none of the names I heard were interviewed (other than Pete). 

The D1 assistant rumor that Fifth is reporting makes sense as that always seems to be the direction that the AD does as she has a big school/D1 pedigree. 

I also heard a rumor of a GL head coach interviewing (in fact, I heard the rumor of an OAC coach interviewing) but it seemed to far fetched and was from a less reliable source than the names I provided above. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on April 26, 2017, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 25, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 25, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
No college coaches other than Pete Moran?

Is that usuual?

Current college coaches, you mean. Artie Taylor spent six years as the head coach of Ohio Dominican. He was the man in charge when that program transitioned from NAIA to D2. He was also Bill Brown's second chair at Wittenberg when the Tigers were a national power back in the middle of the last decade.

. . . and he is a Carroll alum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on April 26, 2017, 04:06:29 PM
Onward...it says you're currently blocking my personal messages.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on April 26, 2017, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on April 26, 2017, 04:06:29 PM
Onward...it says you're currently blocking my personal messages.

I neither know how I did that nor do I know how to remedy that. Sorry. I'll do some digging.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 08, 2017, 09:53:44 AM
Very sad news...Zach Neuenschwander, who played center at Mount as a freshman in 2015-2016, passed away unexpectedly.  Tragic.  RIP young man.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on June 08, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on June 08, 2017, 09:53:44 AM
Very sad news...Zach Neuenschwander, who played center at Mount as a freshman in 2015-2016, passed away unexpectedly.  Tragic.  RIP young man.

Awful news...thoughts go out to his family and the Mount Union community as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on June 20, 2017, 11:29:18 AM
2017-2018 Schedules

Marietta    http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
John Carroll    http://jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Muskingum
Mount Union    http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Baldwin Wallace
Ohio Northern
Heidelberg
Wilmington
Capital
Otterbein

You can get the Master OAC league schedule here:http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/MBKB_Future_Schedules







Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on July 11, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
ONU posted . . .

2017-2018 Schedules

Marietta    http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
John Carroll    http://jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Muskingum
Mount Union    http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Baldwin Wallace
Ohio Northern   http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Heidelberg
Wilmington
Capital
Otterbein

You can get the Master OAC league schedule here:http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/MBKB_Future_Schedules
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on August 01, 2017, 11:39:02 AM
Muskingum and Otterbein posted . . .

2017-2018 Schedules

Marietta    http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
John Carroll    http://jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Muskingum    http://fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Mount Union    http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Baldwin Wallace  http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Ohio Northern   http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Heidelberg   http://www.bergathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Wilmington   http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Capital  http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Otterbein    http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

You can get the Master OAC league schedule here:http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/MBKB_Future_Schedules
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on August 01, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Through some digging of other school's website, I learned that JCU's opening games will be part of a true tournament at Hilbert.  JCU will play Fredonia vs. John Carroll  at 6:00 on 11/17 and Hilbert will play SUNY Poly in the nightcap.  The losers will play the next day at 1:00 and the winners will play the next day at 3:00.

Still no information about the Kalamazoo tournament the next weekend or the Hope tournament after Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on August 01, 2017, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on August 01, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Through some digging of other school's website, I learned that JCU's opening games will be part of a true tournament at Hilbert.  JCU will play Fredonia vs. John Carroll  at 6:00 on 11/17 and Hilbert will play SUNY Poly in the nightcap.  The losers will play the next day at 1:00 and the winners will play the next day at 3:00.

Still no information about the Kalamazoo tournament the next weekend or the Hope tournament after Christmas.

It looks like the other three teams at Kalamazoo will be the hosts, Olivet, and Illinois Tech.

JCU will play Hope and Olivet at the Hope tournament after Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on August 23, 2017, 02:50:09 PM
Saw a couple interesting Mount hoops items on twitter during lunch:

Congrats and good luck to DeAllen Jackson who is headed to Romania to play professionally.  I know nothing about the Romanian pro league, but if you're getting paid to play ball that seems like a win.

Outstanding job off the court by starting big man Thomas Mason.  He just scored in the 99th percentile on the MCAT.  I'd imagine that opens doors at pretty much any medical school you want. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on August 29, 2017, 02:48:24 PM
Everybody is posted . . .

2017-2018 Schedules

Marietta    http://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
John Carroll    http://jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Muskingum    http://fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Mount Union    http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Baldwin Wallace  http://www.bwyellowjackets.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Ohio Northern   http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Heidelberg   http://www.bergathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Wilmington   http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Capital  http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Otterbein    http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2017, 12:50:21 PM
http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/2017_Basketball_poll.pdf

Marietta favored.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on November 13, 2017, 01:23:23 PM
What are we all thinking this year?

Per usual, the OAC is deep again this year and the top 5-7 will probably lay some lumps on each other.

I think BW is going to be a title threat this year but I am surprised JCU wasn't voted 2nd. Until someone unseats the Marietta-JCU party, my assumption is those two are the pair to beat in the OAC.

Also curious who gave the 1st place vote to Capital. That's the 2nd year in a row that has happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on November 13, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on November 13, 2017, 01:23:23 PM
What are we all thinking this year?

Per usual, the OAC is deep again this year and the top 5-7 will probably lay some lumps on each other.

I think BW is going to be a title threat this year but I am surprised JCU wasn't voted 2nd. Until someone unseats the Marietta-JCU party, my assumption is those two are the pair to beat in the OAC.

Also curious who gave the 1st place vote to Capital. That's the 2nd year in a row that has happened.

I'm thinking Marietta. As for John Carroll, I'm not sure how losing Moran is going to affect them this year. I still have to think the conference will be as balanced as always.

Putnam, on a side note, are you going to go see the Pios play the Tommies Saturday? That's got to be one of the major non-conference games in all DIII this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2017, 06:51:44 PM
We'll all get to see what BW is made of this weekend because they head to Wisconsin to take on last year's conference champs and this year's favorite, River Falls. Big weekend for both teams right off the bat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on November 13, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on November 13, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on November 13, 2017, 01:23:23 PM
What are we all thinking this year?

Per usual, the OAC is deep again this year and the top 5-7 will probably lay some lumps on each other.

I think BW is going to be a title threat this year but I am surprised JCU wasn't voted 2nd. Until someone unseats the Marietta-JCU party, my assumption is those two are the pair to beat in the OAC.

Also curious who gave the 1st place vote to Capital. That's the 2nd year in a row that has happened.

I'm thinking Marietta. As for John Carroll, I'm not sure how losing Moran is going to affect them this year. I still have to think the conference will be as balanced as always.

Putnam, on a side note, are you going to go see the Pios play the Tommies Saturday? That's got to be one of the major non-conference games in all DIII this year!

I actually put that game together.  ;D

Yes, I'll be making the trip down this weekend. Going to be a great weekend of basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on November 14, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on November 13, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on November 13, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on November 13, 2017, 01:23:23 PM
What are we all thinking this year?

Per usual, the OAC is deep again this year and the top 5-7 will probably lay some lumps on each other.

I think BW is going to be a title threat this year but I am surprised JCU wasn't voted 2nd. Until someone unseats the Marietta-JCU party, my assumption is those two are the pair to beat in the OAC.

Also curious who gave the 1st place vote to Capital. That's the 2nd year in a row that has happened.

I'm thinking Marietta. As for John Carroll, I'm not sure how losing Moran is going to affect them this year. I still have to think the conference will be as balanced as always.

Putnam, on a side note, are you going to go see the Pios play the Tommies Saturday? That's got to be one of the major non-conference games in all DIII this year!

I actually put that game together.  ;D

Yes, I'll be making the trip down this weekend. Going to be a great weekend of basketball.

You are a legend lol!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2017, 03:09:35 PM
The fourth, and final, preseason podcast has been released. Dave chats with four coaches who have their own unique roads to their new jobs.
- Greg Polkowski, UW-Superior men's coach
- Pete Moran, John Carroll men's coach
- Casey Kushiyama, Puget Sound women's coach
- Kent Dernbach, UW-Lacrosse men's coach

You can find the podcast along with the previous four here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/preseason-podcasts

A reminder that Hoopsville returns for it's season debut on Thursday, November 16 at 7:00 PM ET!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
The Division III basketball season has begun and tonight Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will hit the air for its 15th season!

In tonight's season premiere, Dave McHugh chats with the two preseason No. 1 teams, both national committee chairs, and gets an update on a new tournament featuring several Top 25 teams. Dave will also try and get everyone up to speed on the new season and take a look at what has already happened in early season games.

One thing fans may notice is no video for this season's debut. This is not a change in the production of the show, just a temporary decision. There has been a lot going on leading up to the premiere and not everything got up to speed in time. We hope to have actual video broadcasts return in short order. We appreciate everyone's patience.

Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the show LIVE staring at 7:00 p.m. ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/nov16 --- or via the Facebook Live (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville) simulcast. If you missed any part of the show, you can watch it On Demand or listen to the podcast.

You can also send your questions to the show and have them featured on the Hoopsville Mailbag segment. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Bobbi Morgan, Haverford women's coach and DIII National Basketball Committee Chair
- Tim Pitzpatrick, U.S. Coast Guard Academy Athletics Director and DIII National Basketball Committee Chair
- Eric Bridgeland, No. 1 Whitman men's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 1 Tufts women's coach
- Ryan Whitnabe, Great Lakes podcaster and Great Lakes Invitational creator

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2017, 11:37:14 PM
I don't get over here very often, so it may be old news, but what happened to Marietta's Keith Richardson, seems like a huge loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2017, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2017, 11:37:14 PM
I don't get over here very often, so it may be old news, but what happened to Marietta's Keith Richardson, seems like a huge loss.

I'm in Marietta this weekend, so I'll double check, but I think he may have graduated.  He missed a season due to injury at some point, so he had another year of eligibility, but he might be done with school.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2017, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2017, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2017, 11:37:14 PM
I don't get over here very often, so it may be old news, but what happened to Marietta's Keith Richardson, seems like a huge loss.

I'm in Marietta this weekend, so I'll double check, but I think he may have graduated.  He missed a season due to injury at some point, so he had another year of eligibility, but he might be done with school.

Official statement from Coach Vanderwal this afternoon: "We expect to see Keith Richardson back in a Marietta uniform in the future."
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: EttaFan1 on November 21, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
Marietta had a bit of a hangover from their big weekend and got off to a sluggish start against frostburg. Effort in the first half was a little lacking and they struggled in the opening stanza.

They came out of the locker room and turned up the heat on the second frame. Eventually pulling away.

Frostburg did a good job of slowing down Anthony Wallace. But this Marietta team is deep. Newcomers DeVaughn Winguard and Avery Williams had strong games. And Dillion young who had two quiet games to start the season, put up 20 points tonite.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Beyond the Arc on November 29, 2017, 12:20:29 PM
The Polar Bears have started well.  They have had 3 solid games, 4 if you include their exhibition with Toledo.  Nate Burger has played about as good as you can.  Congrats to him for being named OAC player of the week.  Along with Ryan Bruns, they are a terrific inside/outside combo.  Joey Diorio has also played well.  If they can get a couple of more players to step up, and develop a bench, they could be a good team.

They open at home tonight against Alma who is always a solid team

Go Bears!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2017, 03:08:46 PM

Not sure I can handle two sets of Polar Bears this year - the top post on the NESCAC board is all about Bowdoin.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 29, 2017, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: Beyond the Arc on November 29, 2017, 12:20:29 PM
The Polar Bears have started well.  They have had 3 solid games, 4 if you include their exhibition with Toledo.  Nate Burger has played about as good as you can.  Congrats to him for being named OAC player of the week.  Along with Ryan Bruns, they are a terrific inside/outside combo.  Joey Diorio has also played well.  If they can get a couple of more players to step up, and develop a bench, they could be a good team.

They open at home tonight against Alma who is always a solid team

Go Bears!


This comment is a pretty good candidate for Pat Coleman to mull over how things have changed in 20 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
::chuckling:: Just glad to see an OAC board that doesn't require heavy moderation attention.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
::chuckling:: Just glad to see an OAC board that doesn't require heavy moderation attention.

Sadly, the one individual who seems to have his head in the sand... does frequent here as well. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on November 29, 2017, 11:50:10 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 21, 2017, 09:37:26 PM
Terrible news out of Muskingum.
http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/story/news/local/2017/12/21/crash-closes-portion-interstate-70/974094001/

Scored his 1000th career point yesterday, prayers to his family and teammates.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 22, 2017, 11:12:06 AM
Very sad news... we published a short time later: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/12/muskingum-student-death (taking info from the Zaynesville paper).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 19, 2018, 03:24:03 PM
Let's put something a little happier at the top of this page.

Here's a good story about one of the all-time greats in the OAC and Division III basketball. This should brighten up the mood for Otterbein fans and maybe everyone else, too.

http://d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2017-18/gibbs-barkley-abroad
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 22, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
During Hoopsville yesterday, Dave and Ryan seemed to agree that John Carroll is a team that simply tries to outscore its opponents and whose defense is lax and unable to get a stop when it needs a stop.  I see things through, admittedly, "Blue and Gold glasses" from time to time but I think that is completely inaccurate.   I feel like JCU plays excellent in-your-face defense from baseline to baseline and that its defense causes the pace of play to be so fast and results in typically high scoring games. I do not think that JCU is a team that tries to get more shots up than its opponents or takes a "3 for 2" approach. I think they just play extremely quick and extremely hard and force the pace of play.  They don't want to beat teams 100-98 . . .they want to put up a bunch of points AND shut you down defensively.

Admittedly, that full-court press will result in some easy ones at the other end from time to time but not that often.  In fact, I feel like their transition from the press to the half court defense has been better this year than it has been for many years. 

Let me know, as an OAC fan who watches us play annually, if you agree with me or if you think Dave and Ryan are more accurate.  Those comments irritated me but, of course, I could be wrong/could be a homer.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 22, 2018, 12:02:39 PM
I saw them play in December against Hope, I didn't find them particularly great in half court defense.


One measure is eFG%  (FG +(.5(3ptFG))/FGA,  JCU defensively allows opponents to shoot 51.1%, that's probably above average to the good side  (as an example Hope is a bad defensive team and gives up 56%), but I think most defenses we would call "great" are under 50%.


JCU's defensive  turnover rate is very high, perhaps one of the highest in D3, as of last week they were getting their opponents to turn the ball over 25% of possessions.  Normal is around 18% for D3.    Trouble with turnover rate, is you really don't get a high rate without pressing so its difficult to know how much is from pressing, how much is from half court defense.  Having watched them, most is probably from pressing.

JCU is tough because of the style, pace, the constant pressing, pressure and traps.  The waves of substitutions.  JCU's pace is almost 90 possessions per game, thats running up and down the floor almost 40 times more than a "normal" game.  They also do attempt a lot of 3's at 31 per game.  Maybe not "3 for 2", but its a high number of attempts.


It would probably take breaking down JCU on film to really figure out how good their half-court defense is because box scores won't tell you what was transition and what was a true half court possession very well


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 22, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 22, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
During Hoopsville yesterday, Dave and Ryan seemed to agree that John Carroll is a team that simply tries to outscore its opponents and whose defense is lax and unable to get a stop when it needs a stop.  I see things through, admittedly, "Blue and Gold glasses" from time to time but I think that is completely inaccurate.   I feel like JCU plays excellent in-your-face defense from baseline to baseline and that its defense causes the pace of play to be so fast and results in typically high scoring games. I do not think that JCU is a team that tries to get more shots up than its opponents or takes a "3 for 2" approach. I think they just play extremely quick and extremely hard and force the pace of play.  They don't want to beat teams 100-98 . . .they want to put up a bunch of points AND shut you down defensively.

Admittedly, that full-court press will result in some easy ones at the other end from time to time but not that often.  In fact, I feel like their transition from the press to the half court defense has been better this year than it has been for many years. 

Let me know, as an OAC fan who watches us play annually, if you agree with me or if you think Dave and Ryan are more accurate.  Those comments irritated me but, of course, I could be wrong/could be a homer.

Having seen JCU a number of times this year, I think it's a mix of both. JCU is extremely difficult to play against. You know coming into the office you're going to face 40 minutes of full court press and they know full well they're going to give up some easy baskets from time to time doing that. They also score a ton of baskets turning teams over before crossing the timeline and converting easy layups. I don't know how many times I have seen JCU score 5-6 points in a 10 second span off that press, and if you don't have steady ball handlers who can work the ball up the court...things can avalanche on you in a hurry.

I don't agree with the notion that JCU attempts to outscore opponents and are lax on defense. I think their style and pace of play lends to more points being scored by both teams.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 22, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
During Hoopsville yesterday, Dave and Ryan seemed to agree that John Carroll is a team that simply tries to outscore its opponents and whose defense is lax and unable to get a stop when it needs a stop.  I see things through, admittedly, "Blue and Gold glasses" from time to time but I think that is completely inaccurate.   I feel like JCU plays excellent in-your-face defense from baseline to baseline and that its defense causes the pace of play to be so fast and results in typically high scoring games. I do not think that JCU is a team that tries to get more shots up than its opponents or takes a "3 for 2" approach. I think they just play extremely quick and extremely hard and force the pace of play.  They don't want to beat teams 100-98 . . .they want to put up a bunch of points AND shut you down defensively.

Admittedly, that full-court press will result in some easy ones at the other end from time to time but not that often.  In fact, I feel like their transition from the press to the half court defense has been better this year than it has been for many years. 

Let me know, as an OAC fan who watches us play annually, if you agree with me or if you think Dave and Ryan are more accurate.  Those comments irritated me but, of course, I could be wrong/could be a homer.

Let me clarify - it's not that I don't think JCU plays defense, I'm yet unclear if they play enough defense to be a real contender on a larger scale.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 22, 2018, 01:53:43 PM
Fair enough, Ryan. I would say this, though.  In watching this team for nearly two decades, I become most concerned in close games not with their ability to get a stop when they need it, but rather, to get a bucket in the half court offense when they need one or when they are forced into their half court offense due to the pace of the game or the situation in the game (e.g. out of a time out or a side out situation of another kind).  I think their defense is very good both full court and half court.

F&P makes a great point also.  The pace of play leads to so many more possessions.  In essence, John Carroll's 90-80 wins or 95-88 losses are like most teams 75-70 wins or 78-72 losses.  The points are just coming faster not because of a lack of quality defense but, rather, because of the style of defense dictating the quicker pace.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 22, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 22, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
During Hoopsville yesterday, Dave and Ryan seemed to agree that John Carroll is a team that simply tries to outscore its opponents and whose defense is lax and unable to get a stop when it needs a stop.  I see things through, admittedly, "Blue and Gold glasses" from time to time but I think that is completely inaccurate.   I feel like JCU plays excellent in-your-face defense from baseline to baseline and that its defense causes the pace of play to be so fast and results in typically high scoring games. I do not think that JCU is a team that tries to get more shots up than its opponents or takes a "3 for 2" approach. I think they just play extremely quick and extremely hard and force the pace of play.  They don't want to beat teams 100-98 . . .they want to put up a bunch of points AND shut you down defensively.

Admittedly, that full-court press will result in some easy ones at the other end from time to time but not that often.  In fact, I feel like their transition from the press to the half court defense has been better this year than it has been for many years. 

Let me know, as an OAC fan who watches us play annually, if you agree with me or if you think Dave and Ryan are more accurate.  Those comments irritated me but, of course, I could be wrong/could be a homer.

Let me clarify - it's not that I don't think JCU plays defense, I'm yet unclear if they play enough defense to be a real contender on a larger scale.

Same here... I wasn't saying they don't play defense, I'm saying they don't seem to play enough defense to stop teams when they need to. They allow a LOT of points for a team that is that aggressive and thus, seem to have to outscore opponents instead of getting key stops. They lost to an average-at-best Hope squad and allowed Hope to pour in over 100. That is suspect to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 22, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
Bad reasoning......Hope is actually a good offensive team, having scored over 85 points in 9 games.  Hope is a poor defensive team.  JCU had a tough day shooting the ball, fell behind and wound up sending Hope the FT line  41 times.   18 in last 10 minutes as they attempted to extend the game.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: sac on January 22, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
Bad reasoning......Hope is actually a good offensive team, having scored over 85 points in 9 games.  Hope is a poor defensive team.  JCU had a tough day shooting the ball, fell behind and wound up sending Hope the FT line  41 times.   18 in last 10 minutes as they attempted to extend the game.

I was using just one example.. but if JCU is that good a team... they hold Hope under 100. I think that is a fair comment to make. And JCU could have a tough day shooting, but they need the defense then to hold a team in check. I am not sure your comments are strengthening JCU's case.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 22, 2018, 08:24:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2018, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: sac on January 22, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
Bad reasoning......Hope is actually a good offensive team, having scored over 85 points in 9 games.  Hope is a poor defensive team.  JCU had a tough day shooting the ball, fell behind and wound up sending Hope the FT line  41 times.   18 in last 10 minutes as they attempted to extend the game.

I was using just one example.. but if JCU is that good a team... they hold Hope under 100. I think that is a fair comment to make. And JCU could have a tough day shooting, but they need the defense then to hold a team in check. I am not sure your comments are strengthening JCU's case.

Not the way that game was played, there were 87 possessions.  It was a pretty close game all the way until Hope hit a hot streak at the same time JCU hit a cold patch, deficit got too big and they started fighting back and extending the game which led to a lot of Hope's points being scored without the clock moving and getting relatively easy layups because JCU was forced to gamble excessively in the backcourt press..

  If JCU shoots its season average from the floor, they win.  Defense wasn't why JCU lost that game is all I'm saying.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on January 27, 2018, 06:53:31 PM
JCU made us all look a little silly defending their defense today, giving up 112 points to Muskingum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on January 28, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
John Carroll attempted 30 more shots than Muskingum.  Muskies shot with an eFG% rate of 68% :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 29, 2018, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on January 27, 2018, 06:53:31 PM
JCU made us all look a little silly defending their defense today, giving up 112 points to Muskingum.

I was thinking the same thing as I watched the Live Stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 29, 2018, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: sac on January 28, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
John Carroll attempted 30 more shots than Muskingum.  Muskies shot with an eFG% rate of 68% :o

I was told it was a quite a display.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 06, 2018, 09:35:26 AM
Anyone want to venture a guess as to how the season wraps up. 

I think that JCU goes 3-1 down the stretch but loses in the conference semifinals. At that point, they will be desperate for Marietta to win the conference tourney as the OAC will not be a three big league this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:44:56 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 08, 2018, 08:25:28 AM
The OAC conference standings through Wednesday's games (overall record in ()):
John Carroll 12-3 (18-4)
Marietta 11-4 (17-5)
Ohio Northern 11-4 (16-6)
Baldwin Wallace 9-6 (15-7)
Capital 7-8 (11-11)
Mount Union 7-8 (11-11)
Wilmington 6-9 (10-11)
Muskingum 6-9 (8-14)
Heidelberg 5-10 (9-13)
Otterbein 1-14 1-21

Saturday's OAC games:
Capital at Baldwin Wallace
Wilmington at Marietta
John Carroll at Ohio Northern
Mount Union at Heidelberg
Muskingum at Otterbein

With Marietta at home against a dangerous but still lonely .500 Wilmington and BW out of both the Pool C conversation and the OAC race, the big match-up would appear to be JCU at ONU.  The Streaks make the long trip to Ada with a chance to take a 2 game lead on Northern and maintain its one game lead over Marietta. 

My assumption is that ONU would hold a tiebreaker with JCU should they beat JCU as they would have the 2-0 lead in the season series.  The same would hold true for JCU over Etta if it came down to that.  However, if there is a three way tie (unlikely since ONU plays Etta) come next Saturday, I am unsure of the process followed by the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 08, 2018, 08:34:20 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:44:56 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first

It sure would be helpful to ONU if BW won their last three to remain in the regional rankings.  While I do not think BW could play their way into a Pool C bid even if they rattled off 5 in a row and lost in the OAC Finals, it would be helpful to ONU's resume if they remain a regionally ranked opponent as ONU went 2-0 against BW. Etta and JCU were 1-1 so am I not sure of if that helps, hurts or is indifferent to their cause(s). 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 08, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 08, 2018, 08:25:28 AM
The OAC conference standings through Wednesday's games (overall record in ()):
John Carroll 12-3 (18-4)
Marietta 11-4 (17-5)
Ohio Northern 11-4 (16-6)
Baldwin Wallace 9-6 (15-7)
Capital 7-8 (11-11)
Mount Union 7-8 (11-11)
Wilmington 6-9 (10-11)
Muskingum 6-9 (8-14)
Heidelberg 5-10 (9-13)
Otterbein 1-14 1-21

Saturday's OAC games:
Capital at Baldwin Wallace
Wilmington at Marietta
John Carroll at Ohio Northern
Mount Union at Heidelberg
Muskingum at Otterbein

With Marietta at home against a dangerous but still lonely .500 Wilmington and BW out of both the Pool C conversation and the OAC race, the big match-up would appear to be JCU at ONU.  The Streaks make the long trip to Ada with a chance to take a 2 game lead on Northern and maintain its one game lead over Marietta. 

My assumption is that ONU would hold a tiebreaker with JCU should they beat JCU as they would have the 2-0 lead in the season series.  The same would hold true for JCU over Etta if it came down to that.  However, if there is a three way tie (unlikely since ONU plays Etta) come next Saturday, I am unsure of the process followed by the league.

John Carroll beat Northern the first go-round!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 08, 2018, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 08, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 08, 2018, 08:25:28 AM
The OAC conference standings through Wednesday's games (overall record in ()):
John Carroll 12-3 (18-4)
Marietta 11-4 (17-5)
Ohio Northern 11-4 (16-6)
Baldwin Wallace 9-6 (15-7)
Capital 7-8 (11-11)
Mount Union 7-8 (11-11)
Wilmington 6-9 (10-11)
Muskingum 6-9 (8-14)
Heidelberg 5-10 (9-13)
Otterbein 1-14 1-21

Saturday's OAC games:
Capital at Baldwin Wallace
Wilmington at Marietta
John Carroll at Ohio Northern
Mount Union at Heidelberg
Muskingum at Otterbein

With Marietta at home against a dangerous but still lonely .500 Wilmington and BW out of both the Pool C conversation and the OAC race, the big match-up would appear to be JCU at ONU.  The Streaks make the long trip to Ada with a chance to take a 2 game lead on Northern and maintain its one game lead over Marietta. 

My assumption is that ONU would hold a tiebreaker with JCU should they beat JCU as they would have the 2-0 lead in the season series.  The same would hold true for JCU over Etta if it came down to that.  However, if there is a three way tie (unlikely since ONU plays Etta) come next Saturday, I am unsure of the process followed by the league.

John Carroll beat Northern the first go-round!  ;D

My mistake.  Thanks for the correction.  I got confused trying to look at he head-to-head for all three teams and BW, too.

So, it would appear that JCU is in great shape to host unless they drop two of the last three.  If they win out, they clinch an outright title.  If they drop one and are tied with Etta, they win the tiebreaker with a 2-0 head to head advantage.  If they are tied with ONU, they will either have the head-to-head with a win Saturday or they will be 1-1 with a loss Saturday and I would assume the next level tiebreaker would be record against the next team in the standings which would be Etta.  JCU would be 2-0, Northern would be either 0-2 or 1-1. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 12, 2018, 01:25:33 PM
OAC Standings
John Carroll 13-3 19-4
Marietta 12-4 18-5
Ohio Northern 11-5 16-7
Baldwin Wallace 10-6 16-7
Capital 7-9 11-12
Mount Union 7-9 11-12
Muskingum 7-9 9-14
Wilmington 6-10 10-12
Heidelberg 6-10 10-13
Otterbein 1-15 1-22


Wednesday's OAC Schedule
Heidelberg at John Carroll
Baldwin Wallace at Mount Union
Capital at Wilmington
Marietta at Muskingum
Ohio Northern at Otterbein

Saturday's OAC Schedule
John Carroll at Capital
Otterbein at Mount Union
Heidelberg at Muskingum
Wilmington at Baldwin Wallace
Marietta at Ohio Northern 



Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 12, 2018, 01:33:01 PM
It looks like we have our 4 hosts for first round games in JCU, Etta, BW and ONU.  The remaining question is what order will those top seeds fall after the dust settles on Saturday.  It seems unlikely that JCU would drop two and hand the one seed to Etta but it is possible.  If Etta wins out and JCU drops its last two, Etta is the one seed.  I believe that is the only scenario in which JCU is not the #1 seed.

Etta, ONU and BW could all swap places based on various scenarios. Of course, there are typically some first round upsets and JCU has been the victim of many of those upsets in the last 20 years, including last season.  Also concerning is the fact that two of their four losses came to teams in the bottom half of the conference -- Mount Union and Muskingum (the other two losses to BW and two an average to good Hope). 

It is presumably always better to be at home but, at the end of the day, upsets happen.  In my opinion, there may be an upset but the top four teams in the OAC are just better than the rest of the league this year.  It is more likely that one of those top four teams will have to win two tough games to claim the title and the Pool A. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 12, 2018, 02:30:36 PM
Another thing I am thinking of in addition to how the top 4 shake out is who is the most dangerous of 5-8 that you would rather not see in the 1st round. If Heidelberg can take the #8 seed over Wilmington...they are a super dangerous #1-#8 match up in Game 1. They've played a close game against JCU and 3 of their 6 conference wins are against...BW, ONU, and Etta.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 12, 2018, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 12, 2018, 02:30:36 PM
Another thing I am thinking of in addition to how the top 4 shake out is who is the most dangerous of 5-8 that you would rather not see in the 1st round. If Heidelberg can take the #8 seed over Wilmington...they are a super dangerous #1-#8 match up in Game 1. They've played a close game against JCU and 3 of their 6 conference wins are against...BW, ONU, and Etta.

I agree that the Berg is a dangerous #8 but Wilma also gave us fits down there. To extend it further,  two of our losses are to Mount Union and Muskingum so winning three games in five days, including two against the top 4, will be a tall order.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:04:15 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 15, 2018, 11:51:43 AM
OAC Standings
John Carroll 14-3 20-4
Marietta 13-4 19-5
Ohio Northern 12-5 17-7
Baldwin Wallace 10-7 16-8
Mount Union 8-9 12-12
Wilmington 7-10 11-12
Capital 7-10 11-13
Muskingum 7-10 9-15
Heidelberg 6-11 10-14
Otterbein 1-16 1-23

Saturday's OAC Schedule
John Carroll at Capital
Otterbein at Mount Union
Heidelberg at Muskingum
Wilmington at Baldwin Wallace
Marietta at Ohio Northern 

So, what is at stake on Saturday? A lot for the teams at the bottom but it does not appear much is up for grabs at the top of the bracket. 


*John Carroll has the one seed wrapped up and I think BW has the 4 seed wrapped up. 

*Etta and Northern may be able to flop the two and three seed if ONU beats Etta but I have not run the tiebreaker scenarios. I will do that later if I have time because making that long road trip on Thursday will be big IF JCU wins their first two and they have turn around and go on the road on Saturday for their 3rd game in 5 days.

*Mount Union seems to be locked into the 5 seed but again I have not run all of the scenarios. 

*At the bottom, Otterbein is out.

*The Berg needs to beat Musky to be in the conversation.  If the Berg loses, they, too, will sit out the OAC Tournament.  If the Berg wins, they will both by 7-11.  In fact, we could have four teams at 7-11 . . .again, I am not doing the advanced math on that one.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2018, 11:00:48 PM
As the regular season draws ever closer to the end, the intensity of conference races increases. There are very few teams in both the men's and women's side of Division III basketball that seem comfortable at the top. With conference tournaments starting, being at the top is important, but it also comes with a big target.

This Thursday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is a special podcast edition - not live.

On the show, Dave talks to several coaches who teams seem like they have wrapped up their conferences races and one who may not be able to take the top spot, but is in great position to win it all their first time in the league.

We also talk to a coach who has more time than it seems anyone else. How she is using that time to help her school's SAAC in many ways and how that help is allowing the student-athletes at Southern Maine to give back to the school, the community, and many more.

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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 17, 2018, 07:14:30 PM
Carroll loses ... three losses to bottom half (or close to) of the league. Not good. Two wins over Etta. Two wins over Northern. Split with BW. But losses to Capital, Mount and Musky. Regardless they are the one seed and can host IF they can win.

http://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/2018Tournament

Quarterfinals - Tuesday, February 20

No. 8 Heidelberg (7-11) at No. 1 John Carroll (14-4)-7:30

No. 7 Wilmington (7-11) at No. 2 Marietta (14-4)-TBD

No. 6 Capital (8-10) at No. 3 Ohio Northern (12-6)-7:30

No. 5 Mount Union (9-9) at No. 4 Baldwin Wallace (11-7)-7:30
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 05:38:58 PM
The final week of the 2017-18 season is upon us. In a week's time, the topic will be who has punched their tickets to the NCAA tournaments and who is hoping to get selected. This week... we don't know many of the answers and some questions have yet to be considered.

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- Jon Prevo, No. 24 Rose-Hulman women's coach
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 21, 2018, 02:51:36 AM
Top seeds all advance. We arrive at the semifinals with the 4 teams that have been the best 4 all year long.

#4 Baldwin Wallace @ #1 John Carroll
#3 Ohio Northern @ #2  Marietta

Should be a fun set of games Thursday evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 21, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 21, 2018, 02:51:36 AM
Top seeds all advance. We arrive at the semifinals with the 4 teams that have been the best 4 all year long.

#4 Baldwin Wallace @ #1 John Carroll
#3 Ohio Northern @ #2  Marietta

Should be a fun set of games Thursday evening.

On Hoopsville, Brendan Gulick (BW announcer brought on air to discuss the Great Lakes region) said he would be surprised if there were not upsets in the OAC tournament's first round. I wholeheartedly agreed. . . . then Tuesday happens.  Everything according to seeds.    Should be some great games on Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 21, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 21, 2018, 02:51:36 AM
Top seeds all advance. We arrive at the semifinals with the 4 teams that have been the best 4 all year long.

#4 Baldwin Wallace @ #1 John Carroll
#3 Ohio Northern @ #2  Marietta

Should be a fun set of games Thursday evening.

On Hoopsville, Brendan Gulick (BW announcer brought on air to discuss the Great Lakes region) said he would be surprised if there were not upsets in the OAC tournament's first round. I wholeheartedly agreed. . . . then Tuesday happens.  Everything according to seeds.    Should be some great games on Thursday.

We like to have guests on the show to jinx what we think will happen. From coaches to others, it always happens the opposite of what we are talkig about LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 21, 2018, 12:41:27 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 21, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 21, 2018, 02:51:36 AM
Top seeds all advance. We arrive at the semifinals with the 4 teams that have been the best 4 all year long.

#4 Baldwin Wallace @ #1 John Carroll
#3 Ohio Northern @ #2  Marietta

Should be a fun set of games Thursday evening.

On Hoopsville, Brendan Gulick (BW announcer brought on air to discuss the Great Lakes region) said he would be surprised if there were not upsets in the OAC tournament's first round. I wholeheartedly agreed. . . . then Tuesday happens.  Everything according to seeds.    Should be some great games on Thursday.

In my eyes it just adds to the unpredictability of the OAC. All year there are upsets you weren't expecting. Heidelberg at a red hot Ohio Northern squad, Polar Bears will roll to a W.... Wrong! John Carroll in the last game of the regular season for a post season tune-up against Capital, JCU will streak to victory... Wrong!

In the postseason you finally start to get used to these upsets and you are expecting at least one, if not more, and you are wrong again!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:44:26 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 21, 2018, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 21, 2018, 12:41:27 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 21, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 21, 2018, 02:51:36 AM
Top seeds all advance. We arrive at the semifinals with the 4 teams that have been the best 4 all year long.

#4 Baldwin Wallace @ #1 John Carroll
#3 Ohio Northern @ #2  Marietta

Should be a fun set of games Thursday evening.

On Hoopsville, Brendan Gulick (BW announcer brought on air to discuss the Great Lakes region) said he would be surprised if there were not upsets in the OAC tournament's first round. I wholeheartedly agreed. . . . then Tuesday happens.  Everything according to seeds.    Should be some great games on Thursday.

In my eyes it just adds to the unpredictability of the OAC. All year there are upsets you weren't expecting. Heidelberg at a red hot Ohio Northern squad, Polar Bears will roll to a W.... Wrong! John Carroll in the last game of the regular season for a post season tune-up against Capitol, JCU will streak to victory... Wrong!

In the postseason you finally start to get used to these upsets and you are expecting at least one, if not more, and you are wrong again!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif)

Ha. Very true. The unexpected became the expected so when the expected happened (all higher seeds won), that was, in fact, unexpected.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 22, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Ohio Northern over Marietta 94-88.
John Carroll over Baldwin-Wallace 93-72.

JCU hosts ONU on Saturday at 7:30. Rough turnaround for ONU as. Assume they will not get back to campus until 3AM or so. Then need to leave for JCU less than 36 hours later on Saturday. They'll be fatigued, no doubt, but playing for their season. Should be a goos one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 22, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 22, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Ohio Northern over Marietta 94-88.
John Carroll over Baldwin-Wallace 93-72.

JCU hosts ONU on Saturday at 7:30. Rough turnaround for ONU as. Assume they will not get back to campus until 3AM or so. Then need to leave for JCU less than 36 hours later on Saturday. They'll be fatigued, no doubt, but playing for their season. Should be a goos one.

Bruns came off the bench for 20 points in 16 minutes. Brendan Gulick said it may be a foot injury he was dealing with. Hopefully he didn't suffer a setback today and is full throttle against JCU on Saturday. They are strengthening their pool C resume, but it may be a little too late for that. Looking forward to Fan50s update.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on February 23, 2018, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 22, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 22, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Ohio Northern over Marietta 94-88.
John Carroll over Baldwin-Wallace 93-72.

JCU hosts ONU on Saturday at 7:30. Rough turnaround for ONU as. Assume they will not get back to campus until 3AM or so. Then need to leave for JCU less than 36 hours later on Saturday. They'll be fatigued, no doubt, but playing for their season. Should be a goos one.

Bruns came off the bench for 20 points in 16 minutes. Brendan Gulick said it may be a foot injury he was dealing with. Hopefully he didn't suffer a setback today and is full throttle against JCU on Saturday. They are strengthening their pool C resume, but it may be a little too late for that. Looking forward to Fan50s update.

Agreed, I think they need to win to get the Automatic Bid. Outside that, if they lose, they need A.) a very close game (potentially even OT) and other bid busters to lose; but even as you said, that may not be enough.

Either way, I expect a great game tomorrow, and ONU to come out of the gates playing their third "tournament game"
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 23, 2018, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on February 23, 2018, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 22, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 22, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Ohio Northern over Marietta 94-88.
John Carroll over Baldwin-Wallace 93-72.

JCU hosts ONU on Saturday at 7:30. Rough turnaround for ONU as. Assume they will not get back to campus until 3AM or so. Then need to leave for JCU less than 36 hours later on Saturday. They'll be fatigued, no doubt, but playing for their season. Should be a goos one.

I think it is win or go home for Northern.  My opinion.
Bruns came off the bench for 20 points in 16 minutes. Brendan Gulick said it may be a foot injury he was dealing with. Hopefully he didn't suffer a setback today and is full throttle against JCU on Saturday. They are strengthening their pool C resume, but it may be a little too late for that. Looking forward to Fan50s update.

Agreed, I think they need to win to get the Automatic Bid. Outside that, if they lose, they need A.) a very close game (potentially even OT) and other bid busters to lose; but even as you said, that may not be enough.

Either way, I expect a great game tomorrow, and ONU to come out of the gates playing their third "tournament game"
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 25, 2018, 05:56:00 PM
Last night's championship was a wild affair. Lots of fouls and foul shots. Two technicals. Five fan ejections (the students' section was, it appeared, well lubricated). At the end of the day, JCU was just too quick in the front court; however, I think they're very susceptible to being hurt badly by a quality big man. Northern has one in the OAC player of the year but he was clearly not 100% last night and he still made a difference. I will also say that Northern appeared tired in the second half and that was likely a factor. The two trips to Etta, one trip to Cleveland, 3AM arrival back to campus Thursday night/Friday morning and 4 games in 8 days likely took its toll. Even the parents appeared tired after the game.

At this point, I think Etta is in, JCU is hosting and ONU has slim hopes but hope nonetheless.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on March 02, 2018, 10:01:40 AM
Good Luck today Marietta and a more important Good Luck to John Carroll! My dream match-up would be to see these two fight it out for a trip to the Final Four.

Then again, it is always hard to beat a good time three times in a year!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 02, 2018, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on March 02, 2018, 10:01:40 AM
Good Luck today Marietta and a more important Good Luck to John Carroll! My dream match-up would be to see these two fight it out for a trip to the Final Four.

Then again, it is always hard to beat a good time three times in a year!

I would like that as well  . . . even more if Augustana loses too and that game  . . .just perhaps . . .might be scheduled for University Heights. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on March 05, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
2 Great wins this weekend! Looking forward to driving to Rock Island for the game on Friday!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 06, 2018, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on March 05, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
2 Great wins this weekend! Looking forward to driving to Rock Island for the game on Friday!

That is a long drive to the Quad Cities.  I wonder how many fans will be able to make the trip -- too long to drive, too expense/inconvenient (due to the connection) to fly may be the attitude of many JCU fans.  Are you in Chicagoland already or are you making the long drive '70?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on March 06, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on March 06, 2018, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: JCUStreaks70 on March 05, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
2 Great wins this weekend! Looking forward to driving to Rock Island for the game on Friday!

That is a long drive to the Quad Cities.  I wonder how many fans will be able to make the trip -- too long to drive, too expense/inconvenient (due to the connection) to fly may be the attitude of many JCU fans.  Are you in Chicagoland already or are you making the long drive '70?

I'm in the Chicago Suburbs, so only a 2 hour drive for us!I go back to the CLE once every fall for a football game, and have been lucky with 3 football playoff games within a couple hours of Chicago since 2014, but haven't had the chance to see Basketball! Couldn't miss this opportunity!

I'm not sure how many JCU fans from Cleveland will make the trip, but the Chicago Alums do travel well for these games. If the Wheaton, Whitewater and Oshkosh games from football provide any indication, then we may have a decent showing! But being a Friday may make it a little more difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 08, 2018, 08:04:14 AM
It appears that the Blue Streaks decided to forego their plan trip to Moline and opted for a bus ride on the Great Lakes Express.

https://twitter.com/JCUSports/status/971402738444701696

Wise decision in my opinion as I estimated that the round trip from JCU to Illinois hotel via plan would be, at best and assuming no delays, would be 7 hours.  You can get there by bus in nit much more time.  So, NCAA, don't say JCU never saved you money.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on March 08, 2018, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on March 08, 2018, 08:04:14 AM
It appears that the Blue Streaks decided to forego their plan trip to Moline and opted for a bus ride on the Great Lakes Express.

https://twitter.com/JCUSports/status/971402738444701696

Wise decision in my opinion as I estimated that the round trip from JCU to Illinois hotel via plan would be, at best and assuming no delays, would be 7 hours.  You can get there by bus in nit much more time.  So, NCAA, don't say JCU never saved you money.

I feel like they should spot us a few points to show their gratitude!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2018, 07:50:44 PM
Dickinson did this a few years ago out of the greater Harrisburg, Penn. region. Felt it was better to bus than split the team with flights. Happens more often than people realize.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 08, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on March 08, 2018, 08:04:14 AM
It appears that the Blue Streaks decided to forego their plane trip to Moline and opted for a bus ride on the Great Lakes Express.

https://twitter.com/JCUSports/status/971402738444701696

Wise decision in my opinion as I estimated that the round trip from JCU to Illinois hotel via plane would be, at best and assuming no delays,  7 hours.  You can get there by bus in not much more time.  So, NCAA, don't say JCU never saved you money.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:27:37 AM
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

How YOU can help our former elite D3 basketball players

While the end prize of this tournament is a monetary prize, being a D3-lifer, the goal is not the money (we all know that's not why we get into coaching), the goal is to bring an end to the stigma of Division 3 basketball, an awareness of how talented our student-athletes are and that we can compete (and win) against the best. We do need to raise funds for an entry fee, travel, meal and housing expenses for the athletes. In order to do this, we are conducting a crowd-funding campaign through GoFundMe to help make this a reality. These athletes need your support! Just think -- if every Division 3 school donated just $10, we will have raised over $4,000!!!! The link to the GoFundMe Page is below and please SPREAD THE WORD and email me with any questions/concerns at WeAreD3TBT@gmail.com. Thank you in advance for your support and Dave and I look forward to this "D3 Dream Team" taking the court this summer.-Mike Rejniak

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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on June 26, 2018, 04:38:05 PM
2018-2019 Schedules:

John Carroll **PARTIAL as of 6/28/18 ** http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/John_Carroll/Men/2018-19/index
Mount Union  http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
BW  http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Baldwin_Wallace/Men/2018-19/index
Muskingum http://www.fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Marietta https://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?schedule=207
Wilmington  http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Capital  http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Capital/Men/2018-19/index
Otterbein  http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
ONU   http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Heidelberg  http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Heidelberg/Men/2018-19/index
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
Awesome. We have all those pages set up, so they are on our site:

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Marietta/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Mount_Union/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Ohio_Northern/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Otterbein/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Wilmington/Men/2018-19/index

We also have a full schedule for these three teams:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Baldwin_Wallace/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Capital/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Heidelberg/Men/2018-19/index

Also partial schedules for the rest:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/John_Carroll/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Muskingum/Men/2018-19/index
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on June 28, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
Awesome. We have all those pages set up, so they are on our site:

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Marietta/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Mount_Union/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Ohio_Northern/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Otterbein/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Wilmington/Men/2018-19/index

We also have a full schedule for these three teams:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Baldwin_Wallace/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Capital/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Heidelberg/Men/2018-19/index

Also partial schedules for the rest:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/John_Carroll/Men/2018-19/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Muskingum/Men/2018-19/index

Thanks, Pat.  I didn't see those up on d3hoops when I posted.  I will revise my post accordingly.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on August 15, 2018, 02:51:00 PM
Well, as usual, JCU does not have their basketball schedule posted and the rest of the league (with the exception of BW (although d3hoops seems to have the entire schedule cobbled together)).  Please see below for the schedules of each of the OAC teams with JCU a link to just the partial (read:  OAC league games) schedule as posted and gathered by d3hoops.com:

John Carroll **PARTIAL as of 8/15/18 ** http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/John_Carroll/Men/2018-19/index
Mount Union  http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
BW  http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Baldwin_Wallace/Men/2018-19/index
Muskingum http://www.fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Marietta https://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?schedule=207
Wilmington  http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Capital  http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Otterbein  http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
ONU   http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Heidelberg  http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on September 14, 2018, 01:10:47 AM
When does JCU usually post the full schedule?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
JCU could very easily be a little behind these days. Not that I would expect their SID to let work slip for any reason and I am NOT saying he has let anything slip (I don't know when they normally have the full schedule posted), but he has bigger priorities right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on September 14, 2018, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
JCU could very easily be a little behind these days. Not that I would expect their SID to let work slip for any reason and I am NOT saying he has let anything slip (I don't know when they normally have the full schedule posted), but he has bigger priorities right now.

Approximately 75% of all D3 schools have their schedules posted now... those that don't are BEHIND those that do....And of the 100 + some odd that haven't posted, close to half of them are from the NorthEast and East small schools that are likely grossly undermanned....  The NAC, NEAC, NECC, MASCAC, LEC and GNAC are all in the 50% of schools not posted range.  The NESCAC and SCIAC are way behind too.....  The Great Lakes and Central Regions are already close to complete, and this is the usual trend.... priorities are different.....
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
Hopefully this JCU schedule works:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/John_Carroll/Men/2018-19/index
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 15, 2018, 12:05:40 AM
Quote from: hopefan on September 14, 2018, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
JCU could very easily be a little behind these days. Not that I would expect their SID to let work slip for any reason and I am NOT saying he has let anything slip (I don't know when they normally have the full schedule posted), but he has bigger priorities right now.

Approximately 75% of all D3 schools have their schedules posted now... those that don't are BEHIND those that do....And of the 100 + some odd that haven't posted, close to half of them are from the NorthEast and East small schools that are likely grossly undermanned....  The NAC, NEAC, NECC, MASCAC, LEC and GNAC are all in the 50% of schools not posted range.  The NESCAC and SCIAC are way behind too.....  The Great Lakes and Central Regions are already close to complete, and this is the usual trend.... priorities are different.....

I'm going to be blunt ... but I'm giving the JCU SID a ton of slack right now. He has more important priorities - and I don't even know if that is the reason the schedule isn't on their website. They might not have posted it for a bunch of reasons, I'm just saying ... http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20180422/SPORTS/180429837
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on September 17, 2018, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 15, 2018, 12:05:40 AM
Quote from: hopefan on September 14, 2018, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
JCU could very easily be a little behind these days. Not that I would expect their SID to let work slip for any reason and I am NOT saying he has let anything slip (I don't know when they normally have the full schedule posted), but he has bigger priorities right now.

Approximately 75% of all D3 schools have their schedules posted now... those that don't are BEHIND those that do....And of the 100 + some odd that haven't posted, close to half of them are from the NorthEast and East small schools that are likely grossly undermanned....  The NAC, NEAC, NECC, MASCAC, LEC and GNAC are all in the 50% of schools not posted range.  The NESCAC and SCIAC are way behind too.....  The Great Lakes and Central Regions are already close to complete, and this is the usual trend.... priorities are different.....

I'm going to be blunt ... but I'm giving the JCU SID a ton of slack right now. He has more important priorities - and I don't even know if that is the reason the schedule isn't on their website. They might not have posted it for a bunch of reasons, I'm just saying ... http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20180422/SPORTS/180429837

Thank you for posting the above. Definitely sucked when I first heard about this earlier this year. I had the pleasure of interning under him at JCU and I can honestly say that he is one helluva an SID and I would say the best in D3. But that may be a biased statement! lol
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 18, 2018, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 14, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
JCU could very easily be a little behind these days. Not that I would expect their SID to let work slip for any reason and I am NOT saying he has let anything slip (I don't know when they normally have the full schedule posted), but he has bigger priorities right now.

It posted late last week showing tournaments in Buffalo (Buffalo State - opening tournaments) and two in Virginia (Thanksgiving weekend at CNU and between Christmas an New Years at Roanoke) as well as a one-off nonconference game against LaRoche.  Here it is:
https://jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

As for the delay in posting, I concede that the SID is battling some health concerns and we all love Mr. Wenzler and wish him well.  That said, JCU being the last to post its schedule has been a pretty consistent occurrence for the past decade or so. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on September 18, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Here is the updated list of schedules showing JCU in final form.  While BW is still not posted at the BW website, it appears to be complete with two tournaments in Rochester to start the year (who doesn't like Rochester in late November - it's like Paris in the springtime) and three one-offs over the winter break with games against Trine, Bethany and Westminster.  Here are the links:

John Carroll https://jcusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
Mount Union  http://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
BW  http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Baldwin_Wallace/Men/2018-19/index
Muskingum http://www.fightingmuskies.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Marietta https://pioneers.marietta.edu/schedule.aspx?schedule=207
Wilmington  http://www.wilmingtonquakers.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Capital  http://athletics.capital.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Otterbein  http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
ONU   http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Heidelberg  http://athletics.heidelberg.edu/sports/mbkb/2018-19/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 18, 2018, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on September 18, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Here is the updated list of schedules showing JCU in final form.  While BW is still posted at the BW website, it appears to be complete with two tournaments in Rochester to start the year (who doesn't like Rochester in late November - it's like Paris in the springtime)

Rochester is always like Paris, not just in November -- only with fewer baguettes and more garbage plates.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2018, 03:03:54 PM
Preseason men's Top 25 is out!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/10/preseason-mens-top-25
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on November 01, 2018, 03:13:20 PM
OAC Preseason Poll:
https://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/2018_Basketball_poll.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 08, 2018, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on November 01, 2018, 03:13:20 PM
OAC Preseason Poll:
https://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/2018_Basketball_poll.pdf

9 points.  That means Ott was picked dead last by every other coach in the conference.  The state of Ott hoops continues to be head scratching.

Mount checking in at 4 is about where I expected.  I was figuring 4-5 range.  They're going to need some young talent to contribute this year.  Bower-Malone and Francesconi are nice players, but it'll take help to replace Kukura's offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 01, 2018, 05:36:12 PM
Marietta             2-0   7-0
Mount Union       2-0   6-1
Wilmington         1-0   4-1
Capital               1-0   4-2
Baldwin Wallace   1-1  4-2
John Carroll         0-1  3-2
Ohio Northern      0-1  3-3
Muskingum          0-1  2-2
Heidelberg           0-1  0-4
Otterbein             0-2  2-5

Early thoughts on the OAC this year:

1. Marietta has quickly announced themselves as the conference favorite early on despite not being the preseason pick by the coaches. Wins over Wittenberg and a road win over John Carroll today are big statements to the rest of the conference as well as the Great Lakes Region.
2. Heard today that Ryan Berger had surgery on his knee and is expected to be out around 4 weeks (per the JCU video crew today). They'll be wanting him back ASAP. I have not been quite able to put my finger on it yet but JCU looks just a step back from the high powered offenses that ran teams out of the gym in year's past. They are replacing some big shoes this year, but I still expect them to be in the conversation all year long.
3. Ryan Bruns is the best player in the league this year (and the region...and maybe the country). However, as a team ONU is missing some of the pieces that really complemented what Bruns did down low (Berger, DiOrio). He is tasked with carrying more of the load this year and I think it's going to allow some of the stronger teams to key in on him a little bit.
4. Most improved team? Wilmington is off to a wonderful start and the Quakers will look to climb up the standings a bit this year after years of struggles.
5. Also keep an eye on Capital. They got a big win over Ohio Wesleyan and will almost certainly steal a game or two from one of the top contenders if not be in the conversation themselves. I fully expect the Crusaders to be in the top half this year.

Should be another fun conference ride this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 03, 2018, 11:39:30 AM
Any time you can start 2-0 in conference that's not a bad thing, but I'm not sure what to make of Mount so far.  6-1 and I wouldn't say they've played great basketball.  They definitely haven't shot the ball exceptionally so far, especially the freshmen. 

My concern with them is two main things:  First, they don't have much size.  Namke did not play against ONU.  If he is injured that's a major problem as it forced freshman Mario Caywood into far more minutes.  Namke is by far their best all around big (and 2nd leading scorer) and on a team lacking depth there that's a big problem.

The other thing is that they seem to lack a go to scorer.  You can spin this as a positive in that they're balanced and any one of a number of guys can step up and carry them that game.  My concern is that when you're trying to grind out a back and forth OAC game I'd prefer to have a stud scorer to ride down the stretch.  So far Mount has been able to win playing team basketball.  Hopefully they continue to make this a non-issue.

Their 2nd unit includes 4 freshmen so Fuline continues to go "best available" with his minutes.  They make take some lumps, but hopefully that pays off at the end of the season.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 06, 2018, 01:21:15 PM
If you would have told me before the season that Mount would blow out JCU without Niamke I would have laughed at you.  But alas here we are.  What the heck is going on in UH?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2018, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 01, 2018, 05:36:12 PM
Early thoughts on the OAC this year:

1. Marietta has quickly announced themselves as the conference favorite early on despite not being the preseason pick by the coaches. Wins over Wittenberg and a road win over John Carroll today are big statements to the rest of the conference as well as the Great Lakes Region.


LOL You crack me up ... I'm not going to say Marietta isn't good, but let's pump the brakes on "announcing themselves at the conference favorite." Yeah, they weren't the pick of the coaches and we are only a month into the season and not even into the heart of conference play. Would you like me to remind you how many hot starts Marietta has had only to stumble in conference in January? I'm not predicting that. I'm just saying I figured you would have learned by now ... it's still a long season. )
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on December 06, 2018, 11:13:39 PM
Marietta has literally won the last 4 OAC men's basketball regular season championships.  They shared it with JCU last year, three previous outright.

Marietta is 28-2 in January the last 4 years.  One of those losses came to John Carroll(the team they tied with) last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 07, 2018, 07:30:39 AM
Etta is the favorite.  That's not Fifth's bias, that's just what it is.  With what I just watched the othe night I'm not sure how we could conclude otherwise.  JCU did not look good.  At all. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 07, 2018, 08:10:23 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2018, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 01, 2018, 05:36:12 PM
Early thoughts on the OAC this year:

1. Marietta has quickly announced themselves as the conference favorite early on despite not being the preseason pick by the coaches. Wins over Wittenberg and a road win over John Carroll today are big statements to the rest of the conference as well as the Great Lakes Region.


LOL You crack me up ... I'm not going to say Marietta isn't good, but let's pump the brakes on "announcing themselves at the conference favorite." Yeah, they weren't the pick of the coaches and we are only a month into the season and not even into the heart of conference play. Would you like me to remind you how many hot starts Marietta has had only to stumble in conference in January? I'm not predicting that. I'm just saying I figured you would have learned by now ... it's still a long season. )

The two big challengers (ONU and JCU were picked 1st and 3rd preseason) have really stumbled out of the gate. Mount Union has looked good but are still relatively young and unproven to this point. Will they be able to be consistent over the course of 18 games? Wilmington has been super impressive early in the season but were picked in the back half of the  league (9th out of 10). Marietta has won 4 straight OAC titles, has an experienced senior laden squad that has put numerous banners on the wall, and has had the most impressive win in the conference thus far (Wittenberg). Of course there is a long way to go, but even those without navy blue and white goggles on would have to argue that Marietta is the pick to this point from what we've seen.

I don't hide that I am a Pioneer alum and fan, but I'd also like to think I am fair in my evaluation of them and everyone else.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2018, 12:12:18 PM
Yes ... teams have stumbled out of the gate ... but we can point to numerous occasions where those who stumble early recover and win later or those who come out steaming stumble late.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 09, 2018, 11:58:24 AM
Mount (8-1, 4-0) dispatched Wilm with relative ease 92-74.  Tommy Stenger is playing some really good ball.  He's always been a shooter, but his overall game has grown.  He's leading the team at 16.6 ppg thanks in large part to his 55% FG to go along with 49% 3 pt.  He dropped 30 on JCU and 22 on Wilm so he's heating up in OAC play.  It was also good to see coveted freshman Collen Gurley have his best shooting performance yesterday going 6-8 (including 4-6 from deep) for a career high 19 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2018, 05:58:36 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 17, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Mount survived a near slip up at home against 1-5 Berg on Saturday winning 87-85.  Gurley took the inbound and went coast to coast for the game winning and 1 layup with 0.4 seconds left.  Berg had snatched the 85-84 lead with a huge 3 just a few seconds earlier.  Prewitt was scorching for Berg.  He dropped 44 on the Raiders including 8-10 from 3.  That's a boatload for an OAC game.  Gurley lead Mount with 23 and has pushed his avg. to the cusp of double figures at 9.4 ppg.  You knew as a freshman it would be a learning curve, but he's growing up already.  Big OAC game with Cap is looming after the holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 17, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 17, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Mount survived a near slip up at home against 1-5 Berg on Saturday winning 87-85.  Gurley took the inbound and went coast to coast for the game winning and 1 layup with 0.4 seconds left.  Berg had snatched the 85-84 lead with a huge 3 just a few seconds earlier.  Prewitt was scorching for Berg.  He dropped 44 on the Raiders including 8-10 from 3.  That's a boatload for an OAC game.  Gurley lead Mount with 23 and has pushed his avg. to the cusp of double figures at 9.4 ppg.  You knew as a freshman it would be a learning curve, but he's growing up already.  Big OAC game with Cap is looming after the holidays.

Capital and Mount have both been surprises to me this year in the league. I thought both would be improved, but I don't think I thought they would be THIS improved. The OAC race is going to be a lot of fun as we flip the calendar to 2019. You're right...Capital/Mount Union is going to be a big one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 18, 2018, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on December 17, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 17, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Mount survived a near slip up at home against 1-5 Berg on Saturday winning 87-85.  Gurley took the inbound and went coast to coast for the game winning and 1 layup with 0.4 seconds left.  Berg had snatched the 85-84 lead with a huge 3 just a few seconds earlier.  Prewitt was scorching for Berg.  He dropped 44 on the Raiders including 8-10 from 3.  That's a boatload for an OAC game.  Gurley lead Mount with 23 and has pushed his avg. to the cusp of double figures at 9.4 ppg.  You knew as a freshman it would be a learning curve, but he's growing up already.  Big OAC game with Cap is looming after the holidays.

Capital and Mount have both been surprises to me this year in the league. I thought both would be improved, but I don't think I thought they would be THIS improved. The OAC race is going to be a lot of fun as we flip the calendar to 2019. You're right...Capital/Mount Union is going to be a big one.

I'm still not sure what to make of Mount yet.  They haven't played Etta or Cap yet so we'll see.  I am pleasantly surprised that they've taken care of business so far though.  I was hoping they'd overachieve compared to the coaches poll based on them having a very seasoned starting 5.  Those guys have played a lot of OAC minutes.  They're not going to get flustered.  I just wasn't sure about the scoring and that's where Stenger has been huge. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 18, 2018, 10:52:40 PM
Otterbein 81
John Carroll 79

The Cards pick up their first conference win of the year while the Streaks fall to 2-3 in OAC play.

One of the more head scratching results I've seen in a while. Otterbein's first regular season win AT JCU since 2002 (that was a special year). What in the world is going on in University Heights?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 19, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
^^^ That cannot sit well.  There are bad losses and then there's that.  Troubling to say the least. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 19, 2018, 05:58:35 PM
Aside from being blown out by Etta and Cap, Ott was also just blown out by Musky Saturday.  Ouch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 20, 2018, 06:36:20 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 19, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
^^^ That cannot sit well.  There are bad losses and then there's that.  Troubling to say the least.

I always laugh at these "arrow" posts, because I have my settings so newer posts are at the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 20, 2018, 08:21:50 AM
Conference play is finished for the 2018 portion of the schedule:

Marietta          5-0
Mount Union    5-0
Capital            5-0
Heidelberg       2-2
Wilmington      2-3
John Carroll     2-3
Baldwin Wallace 1-3
Muskingum      1-4
Otterbein         1-4
Ohio Northern  0-5

Some surprises on both ends of the spectrum. Should be a really fun 2019.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 31, 2018, 10:46:27 AM
Mount coasted by Trine (105-66) and Adrian (76-52) in their Xmas Invitational to improve to 11-1.  Too bad they didn't play TMC as that would have been a much better test.  I watched both games.  Mount continues to play good team basketball.  They don't rely on any one guy to carry the load.  They just ride the hot hand.  Friga, Bower-Malone, Stenger, Gurley all had runs where they scored a slew in a short time.  The biggest positives were seeing Niamke back on the floor and the solid play from freshman big man Mario Caywood.  Caywood gave them 15 pts, 9 reb, 2 ast in a combined 25 min in the 2 games.  At 6-6, 245 he is a big strong kid already.  It'll be interesting to watch him develop.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 08, 2019, 01:29:08 PM
Cap dealt Mount their first OAC loss on Saturday.  Mount hung around, but never could completely close the gap ultimately losing 71-63 in Bexley.  Raiders just did not get great shooting from guys they need to get at least decent shooting from.

What the heck is going on in Ada BTW?  0-6 in OAC play?  The Bears haven't been great recently, but ONU is never this bad in any sport. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 12, 2019, 03:34:01 PM
Otterbein is so bad.  WTH is going on in Westerville?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2019, 04:19:57 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 23, 2019, 10:44:52 AM
I just saw that Cap dropped one to Berg drawing Etta even with the Crusaders again at 9-1.  That's a big stumble as Berg is middle of the pack at best.  I still wouldn't be surprised if the winner of the Cap/Etta game finishes 17-1 though.  I'd like to say Mount can knock one of them off having both at home this time around, but I'm not so sure it's in the cards.  Mount is only a game back at 8-2, but they've also escaped a couple games that very easily could have been losses to middle of the road teams.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on January 25, 2019, 03:49:59 PM
Not sure anyone has noticed - as JCU has not given anyone a reason to take notice this season - but Pete Moran has abandoned the platoon system his father employed and made famous  . . . for the season, it appears.  I would have to go back to the EARLY 2000s to think fo the last time we were not subbing out 5 for 5 every 8-10 possessions.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 26, 2019, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on January 25, 2019, 03:49:59 PM
Not sure anyone has noticed - as JCU has not given anyone a reason to take notice this season - but Pete Moran has abandoned the platoon system his father employed and made famous  . . . for the season, it appears.  I would have to go back to the EARLY 2000s to think fo the last time we were not subbing out 5 for 5 every 8-10 possessions.

Lee Hood used that strategy too.  We used to call it line change or, as my one roommate referred to it, the Arby's rotation.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 26, 2019, 04:05:17 PM
Mount bounced back today after getting handled in UH last game.  JCU jumped out early and Mount never really threatened them. 

Back at home today they got back on track against ONU 79-71.  I watched most of it since I'm stuck in the office.  First off, Bruns is a stud.  They aren't great overall, but he is.  28 and 9 today.  Second, when he's on the floor they didn't look anywhere near as bad as their record (or Mount didn't look as good as theirs?).  Point is it was basically a stalemate when it was 1's against 1's.  But Mount's second unit blitzed ONU pretty good in limited minutes.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:47:26 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 06, 2019, 03:24:16 PM
Huge game for Mount tonight with the Pios coming in.  Mount's slim hopes of winning the OAC are on the line.  Also on the line is Mount's 13 game home winning streak.  The Raiders are a perfect 9-0 this season at the MAAC.  They're going to need their best effort of the season to keep that intact.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:17:45 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 06, 2019, 09:38:03 PM
Mount gets a huge win over GLR#1 Marietta tonight 78-66.  Bower-Malone had 13 points and 5 steals to go along with an absurd 13 assists.  Slack came off the bench and went a perfect 4-4 including 3-3 from deep.  They've given themselves a chance now.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on February 07, 2019, 08:01:00 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 06, 2019, 09:38:03 PM
Mount gets a huge win over GLR#1 Marietta tonight 78-66.  Bower-Malone had 13 points and 5 steals to go along with an absurd 13 assists.  Slack came off the bench and went a perfect 4-4 including 3-3 from deep.  They've given themselves a chance now.   
Have to give Slack great credit for picking up the scoring when Stenger got in foul trouble.  He really "picked up the Slack".  Was a real team effort as the defense was stout and the bench was strong.  Possibly the best Mount performance for quite some time.
Now, the key is to hold on at Heidleberg and BW before Cap comes to town. 
Kudos to Mount crowd last evening, they really showed up.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: joelmama on February 12, 2019, 12:43:13 PM
I think it is just me but Mount only getting 12 points in the latest rankings.  Seems they have a resume that should be somewhere in that 24-27 range IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:25:13 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 16, 2019, 03:58:20 PM
Great game this afternoon in Alliance.  Mount needed a win against RR #1 Cap to clinch a share of the OAC title at 14-4.  They exploded out of the gate and never looked back routing Cap 91-71.  It was effectively over at halftime (43-27) as Cap never made a serious push the entire 2nd half.  Congrats to Coach Fuline and the seniors.  Mount will host an OAC tournament game Tuesday with a chance to close out the season 12-0 at the MAAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 17, 2019, 03:17:24 PM
From the front page wrap-up:

"Capital lost on Saturday, but still ended up with the top seed after the Ohio Athletic Conference ended up in a three-way tie on the final day of the conference schedule. The Crusaders fell 91-71 on Saturday afternoon to finish 19-6, 10-4 in the conference as their opponent was 33-for-54 from the field and 12-for-26 from beyond the arc, ending up with the No. 2 seed. Jason Ellis scored 21 points off the bench, including making five of six from 3-point range, to lift Marietta past Heidelberg 83-66 and into the third seed."

Oddly, only three of the teams participating in the two games are mentioned.  I wonder who the fourth team might be.  Apparently good enough to tie in a three-way for the conference championship.  ;D

Nice job MOUNT UNION Purple Raiders!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.

Damn.  I was hoping for Mount to get a crack at a second win over Etta Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 20, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.

Damn.  I was hoping for Mount to get a crack at a second win over Etta Thursday.
There's a part of me that wouldn't at all be surprised if John Carroll won the next two games!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on February 20, 2019, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 20, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.

Damn.  I was hoping for Mount to get a crack at a second win over Etta Thursday.
There's a part of me that wouldn't at all be surprised if John Carroll won the next two games!

Your lips to God's ears!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 20, 2019, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 20, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.

Damn.  I was hoping for Mount to get a crack at a second win over Etta Thursday.
There's a part of me that wouldn't at all be surprised if John Carroll won the next two games!

Me neither. Remember that this team was picked to win the league to start the year. Injuries and other issues meant that most of the year this team was not playing to their potential, but they're healthy and clicking finally. A lacking of talent was never the issue at University Heights. It could be that they are picking the right time to realize that potential.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 20, 2019, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 20, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.

Damn.  I was hoping for Mount to get a crack at a second win over Etta Thursday.
There's a part of me that wouldn't at all be surprised if John Carroll won the next two games!

Me neither. Remember that this team was picked to win the league to start the year. Injuries and other issues meant that most of the year this team was not playing to their potential, but they're healthy and clicking finally. A lacking of talent was never the issue at University Heights. It could be that they are picking the right time to realize that potential.

I was thinking the same when I saw they won on the river.  They already handled Mount fairly easily in UH not long ago so I'm sure Mount has no delusions that this will be anything other than an absolute battle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:39:52 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 21, 2019, 10:04:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 20, 2019, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 20, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.

Damn.  I was hoping for Mount to get a crack at a second win over Etta Thursday.
There's a part of me that wouldn't at all be surprised if John Carroll won the next two games!

Me neither. Remember that this team was picked to win the league to start the year. Injuries and other issues meant that most of the year this team was not playing to their potential, but they're healthy and clicking finally. A lacking of talent was never the issue at University Heights. It could be that they are picking the right time to realize that potential.

I was thinking the same when I saw they won on the river.  They already handled Mount fairly easily in UH not long ago so I'm sure Mount has no delusions that this will be anything other than an absolute battle.
Dr. A, do you know if Mount broadcasts basketball games? Hoping to watch it tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2019, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 21, 2019, 10:04:24 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 20, 2019, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 20, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 19, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Final:  John Carroll 82  Marietta 79

Blue Streaks pull the road upset and the Pioneers will now be looking for a Pool C bid.
.

Damn.  I was hoping for Mount to get a crack at a second win over Etta Thursday.
There's a part of me that wouldn't at all be surprised if John Carroll won the next two games!

Me neither. Remember that this team was picked to win the league to start the year. Injuries and other issues meant that most of the year this team was not playing to their potential, but they're healthy and clicking finally. A lacking of talent was never the issue at University Heights. It could be that they are picking the right time to realize that potential.

I was thinking the same when I saw they won on the river.  They already handled Mount fairly easily in UH not long ago so I'm sure Mount has no delusions that this will be anything other than an absolute battle.
Dr. A, do you know if Mount broadcasts basketball games? Hoping to watch it tonight!

They do.  They will have the standard...video, radio, live stats.  The video feed has been paired with the radio audio for every game I've watched this year.  Some games it was the 1310 AM audio, others it was the student radio (91.1).  Here's the link to the video feed. (https://portal.stretchinternet.com/mountunion/)  Just keep your fingers crossed the kid running the camera doesn't forget to pan with the action!  They've been good the games I've watched.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on February 21, 2019, 09:17:10 PM

Baldwin-Wallace plays at Mount Union Saturday for the OAC Tournament championship - 7:30 PM.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 22, 2019, 08:55:13 AM
That was scary last night.  Mount blitzed JCU in the first half.  All nine Raiders that attempted a shot made at least 50% of their attempts.  57-36 at half.  This thing is on ice!  Fast forward a little bit and I'm sitting there watching Flannery hit a 3 to cut it to 77-73 thinking "holy crap they're gonna blow this game!"  The thing that I mentioned earlier in the season was an issue...they have several good scorers, but no guy that you just give the ball to down the stretch and say "get a bucket."  Luckily their experienced guys made some plays.  Francesconi hit a huge corner 3 to answer when JCU got close.  Niamke made a nice catch/up and under with the left hand.  Good grit shown down the stretch.  Now a chance for the OAC title at home.  Can't ask for more. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on February 22, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 22, 2019, 08:55:13 AM
That was scary last night.  Mount blitzed JCU in the first half.  All nine Raiders that attempted a shot made at least 50% of their attempts.  57-36 at half.  This thing is on ice!  Fast forward a little bit and I'm sitting there watching Flannery hit a 3 to cut it to 77-73 thinking "holy crap they're gonna blow this game!"  The thing that I mentioned earlier in the season was an issue...they have several good scorers, but no guy that you just give the ball to down the stretch and say "get a bucket."  Luckily their experienced guys made some plays.  Francesconi hit a huge corner 3 to answer when JCU got close.  Niamke made a nice catch/up and under with the left hand.  Good grit shown down the stretch.  Now a chance for the OAC title at home.  Can't ask for more.

Good luck tomorrow Mount. You better beat those latrine lovers from Berea!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on February 22, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
Capital's upset loss had to break their hearts.  JCU is stellar and will be a force in the future.  No seniors on the floor last night, and with the talent young Moran(s) will recruit, they are heading for great things, IMO.

As a Mount fan, I could not have asked for a better set up, however, the OAC teams have ability to blow each other out on any given evening.

The Mount gym was rocking last night, as good as I have seen in years.  The Raiders are balanced, but JCU seemed a bit quicker and Mount needed to shoot nearly 60% in the first half and hang on.  Sartain was amazing, but the Raiders held J Berger better than I thought they could.

Looking forward to Saturday and hope the OAC can get two teams in the tourney.  Mount, Cap, Marietta, or JCU would all be great reps and BW is no slouch.

When and where are the tourney assignments announced, please?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2019, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 22, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
When and where are the tourney assignments announced, please?

The DIII Selection Show is on Monday, I think it starts at noon. Usually streamed live on the NCAA's DIII page and here on D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2019, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on February 22, 2019, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 22, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
When and where are the tourney assignments announced, please?

The DIII Selection Show is on Monday, I think it starts at noon. Usually streamed live on the NCAA's DIII page and here on D3hoops.com.

12:30 PM ET - we will have the video on D3hoops.com. (WBB at 2:30 PM ET BTW)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 22, 2019, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 22, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
Capital's upset loss had to break their hearts.  JCU is stellar and will be a force in the future.  No seniors on the floor last night, and with the talent young Moran(s) will recruit, they are heading for great things, IMO.

As a Mount fan, I could not have asked for a better set up, however, the OAC teams have ability to blow each other out on any given evening.

The Mount gym was rocking last night, as good as I have seen in years.  The Raiders are balanced, but JCU seemed a bit quicker and Mount needed to shoot nearly 60% in the first half and hang on.  Sartain was amazing, but the Raiders held J Berger better than I thought they could.

Looking forward to Saturday and hope the OAC can get two teams in the tourney.  Mount, Cap, Marietta, or JCU would all be great reps and BW is no slouch.

When and where are the tourney assignments announced, please?

Marietta and Capital should be good to go as at-large selections and the winner of Saturday's game will be in. 3 teams for the OAC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2019, 11:11:45 AM
All-OAC was announced.  Bower-Malone was named 1st team, Stenger 2nd team and Gurley HM.  Gurley was also named the OAC Freshman of the Year.  Congrats to all.  Now let's beat the flaming pile tonight and punch that ticket. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2019, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 22, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
Capital's upset loss had to break their hearts.  JCU is stellar and will be a force in the future.  No seniors on the floor last night, and with the talent young Moran(s) will recruit, they are heading for great things, IMO.

As a Mount fan, I could not have asked for a better set up, however, the OAC teams have ability to blow each other out on any given evening.

The Mount gym was rocking last night, as good as I have seen in years.  The Raiders are balanced, but JCU seemed a bit quicker and Mount needed to shoot nearly 60% in the first half and hang on.  Sartain was amazing, but the Raiders held J Berger better than I thought they could.

Looking forward to Saturday and hope the OAC can get two teams in the tourney.  Mount, Cap, Marietta, or JCU would all be great reps and BW is no slouch.

When and where are the tourney assignments announced, please?

I've watched a number of games this season and I've been very happy to see them drawing big crowds for the big games.  Etta and Cap regular season games, Berg and then JCU OAC tourney games all had big crowds.  It would have been packed tonight just because it's the OAC title game, but BW coming in adds some intensity in the stands I'm betting.  Makes for a fun environment for the players.  Should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on February 23, 2019, 09:44:41 PM

Baldwin-Wallace  79
Mount Union.      75

The better team won. Nothing else to say! 😥 🏀
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2019, 10:12:47 PM
I've said this in many past years, and I'll say it again today:

Chaos, thy name is the OAC tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 24, 2019, 10:07:26 AM
Great game.  Great atmosphere.  That was fun other than BW winning and the live video feed sucking.  I ended up listening to Sam on the radio since that 3rd party video feed was absolute garbage.  Sam was loving that sell out crowd rocking the MAAC especially the student section right behind him aided by "liquid courage" as they called it.

Bottom line was that Battle was the best player on the floor and Mount had no answer for him.  33 points on 7-8 from deep is tough to overcome.  Mount had two consistent issues in the games I watched:  1) the lack of a go to scorer which I've mentioned several times.  Well, it bit them last night when two late possessions (including their final one down 3 with 9 seconds left) they couldn't even get a good look.  Both times there wasn't even a pick or a pass.  Just iso and Bower-Malone having to force a tough shot late.  2) they had trouble defending guards who were quick off the bounce.  I know, most teams probably do, but Mount really struggled with it.  Those guys are too quick for them defensively and it breaks them down.  JCU did it, BW did it.  It cost them dearly when BW came out of a late TO up 1, inbounded it and the Nader just dribbled past 3 defenders for a layup to put BW up 76-73 with 38 seconds left.  That's crippling.

Individually for Mount they could not have asked for one more ounce from Niamke.  9-11 for 19 points in the second half.  He was waaaay too athletic for Colombo and BW's other bigs and it showed repeatedly.  If that was his final game Diallo left everything out there last night.  Fellow senior Tommy Stenger hit a huge 3 to tie it at 70 and made the 2 biggest FT of his career to cut it to 76-75 with 14 seconds left and force BW to make FT. 

Very fun team to follow this year.  Thanks to Francesconi, Niamke and Stenger.  They've been a good group to root for.  Fingers crossed for an at-large, but I'm not hopeful.     
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on February 24, 2019, 03:45:04 PM
Save two missed FT's that would have iced it, Battle had the best shooting game that I have ever witnessed.  What a beast.  His three pointers where contested and quickly released. Amazing shooter, at least he was last eve.  BW quickness at guard took away much of Mount's outside shooting and it paid off.  Great game, actually three great games by the Jackets.
Keeping fingers crossed for a Mount invite to tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on February 25, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.

Agree 100%!  ::)  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 25, 2019, 02:36:29 PM
Most likely Mt Union was ranked behind LaRoche in the final Great Lakes Regional poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.

Chronology is not one of the criteria (either primary or secondary), raiderpa. In the eyes of the committee, games played in November therefore matter just as much as do games played in late February. And postseaons tournaments aren't part of the criteria, either; conference tourney games are counted on an equal basis with regular-season games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on February 25, 2019, 04:41:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.
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Chronology is not one of the criteria (either primary or secondary), raiderpa. In the eyes of the committee, games played in November therefore matter just as much as do games played in late February. And postseaons tournaments aren't part of the criteria, either; conference tourney games are counted on an equal basis with regular-season games.

Gregory

Thanks for the clarification. That helps a bit. But, as an old alumnus, I still think they should have made the tourney. I guess my reaction is to be expected. But thanks again.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2019, 04:43:03 PM
Quote from: MUC57 on February 25, 2019, 04:41:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.
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Chronology is not one of the criteria (either primary or secondary), raiderpa. In the eyes of the committee, games played in November therefore matter just as much as do games played in late February. And postseaons tournaments aren't part of the criteria, either; conference tourney games are counted on an equal basis with regular-season games.

Gregory

Thanks for the clarification. That helps a bit. But, as an old alumnus, I still think they should have made the tourney. I guess my reaction is to be expected. But thanks again.  :'(

I understand the frustration, but, in this case, all you had to do was beat a team that isn't quite as good as you are to get an AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 25, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.

Chronology is not one of the criteria (either primary or secondary), raiderpa. In the eyes of the committee, games played in November therefore matter just as much as do games played in late February. And postseaons tournaments aren't part of the criteria, either; conference tourney games are counted on an equal basis with regular-season games.

I agree with the NCAA here.  I think your conference tournament games should count the same as that Thanksgiving weekend game you played against Trine.    ::) 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on February 25, 2019, 05:14:29 PM

Ryan Scott

Where are you from? All we had to do...........? BW was the better team Saturday. Mount is a good team, but they weren't good enough Sat. I guess next year, "all they have to do" is win all their games and they'll get the AQ. Thanks for enlightening us.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 25, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.

Chronology is not one of the criteria (either primary or secondary), raiderpa. In the eyes of the committee, games played in November therefore matter just as much as do games played in late February. And postseaons tournaments aren't part of the criteria, either; conference tourney games are counted on an equal basis with regular-season games.

I agree with the NCAA here.  I think your conference tournament games should count the same as that Thanksgiving weekend game you played against Trine.    ::)

I don't make the rules. I just recite 'em. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 25, 2019, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 25, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on February 25, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Total crap that Mount was left out and both Cap and Marietta are in.  Mount beat both in last two weeks and both lost in tourney. Cap lost to team that Mount beat, JCU. Obviously, not much to say when you lose the tourney final, however.  Just seems that the committee did not look at the last two weeks work. This is horse manure. Sorry.

Chronology is not one of the criteria (either primary or secondary), raiderpa. In the eyes of the committee, games played in November therefore matter just as much as do games played in late February. And postseaons tournaments aren't part of the criteria, either; conference tourney games are counted on an equal basis with regular-season games.

I agree with the NCAA here.  I think your conference tournament games should count the same as that Thanksgiving weekend game you played against Trine.    ::)

I don't make the rules. I just recite 'em. ;)

Oh trust me, I don't think any of us would ever lay claim to NCAA logic!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2019, 11:32:07 PM
Of course the guidelines and rules created by the "NCAA" are actually created and approved upon by DIII membership ... not those in offices in Indianapolis.

But why let that get in the way of a good blame job.

Division III has a limited budget ... they have to create rules on who gets in and how they are bracket. The rules are similar to those all around the NCAA in most sports in the all three divisions. This isn't an NCAA thing. Membership makes these rules themselves. If they didn't like them, they would rewrite them and vote on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 26, 2019, 11:34:40 AM
Alright everyone, Dave is here.  Enough joking around.  Everyone take your seats and we will now memorize the tables of which schools are greater than 500 miles apart. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2019, 11:39:13 AM
It's a fascinating topic, for sure!  ;) But here's a form where you can check the NCAA standard for mileage:
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 01:29:30 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 26, 2019, 11:34:40 AM
Alright everyone, Dave is here.  Enough joking around.  Everyone take your seats and we will now memorize the tables of which schools are greater than 500 miles apart.

As Pat pointed out ... no need to memorize anything ... just educate oneself.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: fantastic50 on February 26, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2019, 11:39:13 AM
It's a fascinating topic, for sure!  ;) But here's a form where you can check the NCAA standard for mileage:
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

These mileage charts are interesting, in context of this year's brackets.  By the NCAA chart, Augustana is more than 500 miles from all of the other hosts in their bracket, notably including 501 to Wooster.  By Google maps, Augie to Wooster is only 495, making Wooster a potential centrally-located host for the sectionals, should both teams advance.  Perhaps the mileage charts need to be updated ... surely the committee wasn't allowed a likely extra flight for bracket balance?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: fantastic50 on February 26, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2019, 11:39:13 AM
It's a fascinating topic, for sure!  ;) But here's a form where you can check the NCAA standard for mileage:
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

These mileage charts are interesting, in context of this year's brackets.  By the NCAA chart, Augustana is more than 500 miles from all of the other hosts in their bracket, notably including 501 to Wooster.  By Google maps, Augie to Wooster is only 495, making Wooster a potential centrally-located host for the sectionals, should both teams advance.  Perhaps the mileage charts need to be updated ... surely the committee wasn't allowed a likely extra flight for bracket balance?

I believe the mileage charts take into consideration things like where a bus can actually travel (or international borders, for example) than other mapping systems consider.

And if you look around the bracket - including in the first round - it appears the national committee was granted a little bit of an allowance for balance.

BTW - I am told the bracketing software the committees use allow one to move their mouse over a school on the bracket and see all the other schools on the bracket that are within 500 miles of said school. There are also interns at the NCAA doing a lot of the work to determine where teams can go and such. This is looked at pretty in-depth to better understand it all and not leave any stone unturned - for the most part.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
BTW - the deadline was 5pm ET, Friday, February 15, 2019.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on February 26, 2019, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
BTW - the deadline was 5pm ET, Friday, February 15, 2019.

d-mac

Help me out here. Which deadline? I don't get out much! Thanks.  ???   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2019, 09:47:03 PM
I think that Dave was talking about the application deadline for hosting a pod -- Wittenberg didn't file an application this year -- and he just posted it on the wrong Great Lakes Region board.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2019, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2019, 09:47:03 PM
I think that Dave was talking about the application deadline for hosting a pod -- Wittenberg didn't file an application this year -- and he just posted it on the wrong Great Lakes Region board.

Sorry - so many frickin balls in the air I just threw this one in the wrong pot.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2019, 10:52:43 AM
I am a Maryville fan.  What do I need to know about Marietta and playing there?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 01, 2019, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 01, 2019, 10:52:43 AM
I am a Maryville fan.  What do I need to know about Marietta and playing there?

Playing there is difficult, while nearly everyone packs 'em in when they are hosting a tourney game, Etta packs 'em in all season long.  It is a small-ish, high-school like fieldhouse-style gym that feels cramped and gets loud - very loud.  It will be a great atmosphere and it will favor the Pioneers heavily.

Marietta is also used to crowds and seems to have prepared well for their hosting duties.  They are clearing the gym between games (a split session) and they allowed for pre-sale tickets for their fans. Not sure if they will use reserved seating or not.  If not, it could be a pain for the visiting school but I know they typically reserve a small section and very few D3 schools travel well, period, let alone for a first round game on Friday.   My school, John Carroll, absolutely botched their hosting duties/obligations last year but it appears Marietta is avoiding many of the mistakes Carroll made.

As for the team, they are good - very good - but not as good as they have been in years past.  Etta is certainly get-able, even at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2019, 02:26:48 PM
Sounds like fun! Thanks! I wish I could be there.  If the shots fall, we are pretty good. Seven seniors with NCAA experience (if getting smoked by Nebraska Wesleyan on their way to the championship last year counts).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 01, 2019, 08:50:57 PM
Capital survives, 78-76 in OT against UW-Platteville. Quite the game. Platteville had a 3-point attempts for the win in regulation and a 28-footer at the buzzer in OT, but neither fell.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bouncer1 on March 02, 2019, 02:13:00 AM
It was a good night for the OAC in the NCAA tourney. Three entries and 3 wins on the first night. Three OAC teams into the round of 32. I don't remember the last time 3 teams from our league got invited into the tourney. Very often it is just the AQ or maybe one at large. So way to represent Cap, BW, and Etta. I do agree with others on this site that have stated they thought Mount should have gotten invited in place of either Cap or Etta. I believe it should have been Mount instead of Etta but what do I know? The committee has their criteria and they usually do a good job. I just hope they sit up and take notice that it is okay to choose more than 2 teams and especially more than one team from the rugged OAC in the future. Best of luck to the Crusaders, Yellow Jackets, and Pios on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 07, 2019, 04:58:37 PM
Marietta took a private charter to the Sweet Sixteen.  Wow!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BursQVcB9DI/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=tk7ip0inbatd

Unless, I understand the process incorrectly, there is little chance the NCAA paid for all of that.  Does that mean that Marietta paid the difference between a commercial flight and the charter?  That is a major show of love and commitment by the college and the athletic department.  You could likely fund one full-time assistant coach for a year (also a sign of love and commitment for the few programs that have one) for the cost of chartering 30 people to Illinois and back.

Let me know if I am missing something and good luck Etta!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2019, 05:20:00 PM
It may be that the NCAA couldn't find commercial service for a party of 25 from Marietta, Ohio, to Rock Island, Illinois.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: augie77 on March 07, 2019, 09:05:01 PM
The commercial airport closest to Marietta is Parkersburg, West Virginia (nothing else is even remotely close).  Just for kicks I checked on schedules and received a message that after searching "over 400 airlines" they could find no service between Parkersburg and the Quad Cities (Rock Island). 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2019, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: augie77 on March 07, 2019, 09:05:01 PM
The commercial airport closest to Marietta is Parkersburg, West Virginia (nothing else is even remotely close).  Just for kicks I checked on schedules and received a message that after searching "over 400 airlines" they could find no service between Parkersburg and the Quad Cities (Rock Island).

I would guess that going via O'Hare would be the option, but schedules may have been very awkward.  And it might even be something like Pittsburgh (or Cleveland), then O'Hare (no clue on whether Parkersburg has direct flights to O'Hare).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 07, 2019, 10:46:46 PM
Parkersburg's Mid-Ohio Valley Regional Airport has 1 commercial flight per day to Beckley, WV.   It would probably be a game of 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon to get them to the Quad Cities on a commercial flight.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on March 08, 2019, 02:38:22 AM
I believe these days Parkersburg only has service to Charlotte. My understanding is the charter flight was direct to Rock Island.

This is a different strategy than what they did to get to Augustana a few years back. They bussed the trip and stopped about halfway to practice at Butler. I know I'd prefer the charter.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2019, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on March 08, 2019, 02:38:22 AM
I believe these days Parkersburg only has service to Charlotte. My understanding is the charter flight was direct to Rock Island.

This is a different strategy than what they did to get to Augustana a few years back. They bussed the trip and stopped about halfway to practice at Butler. I know I'd prefer the charter.

Charters would be direct unless they had to refuel (which in this case, they would not). So, yeah the charter was direct. :)

And Augustana chose to bus. They had the opportunity to fly per NCAA rules, but they decided to bus. That is actually a pretty common decision. Dickinson did that heading to the midwest a few years ago when it was proving to be too difficult (and too fractured) to fly the team. Mount Union women's team did that to the final four, I think, as well. I'm pretty sure CNU MBB bussed to Oswego a few years back.

And the reverse happens often as well. MIT, despite being under 500 miles to Baltimore, has flown for both MBB and football in the last year. Other teams decide to fly, despite it being under 500 miles, and picking up the difference in the costs themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:02:45 PM

Just don't tell Whitman.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:02:45 PM

Just don't tell Whitman.

Tell them what? They know about the charter game pretty well. They also know why the NCAA told them no this time around. The costs were very prohibitive from what I was told. I mean ... no chance in hell.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:02:45 PM

Just don't tell Whitman.

Tell them what? They know about the charter game pretty well. They also know why the NCAA told them no this time around. The costs were very prohibitive from what I was told. I mean ... no chance in hell.

Still not something they'd enjoy knowing, I imagine.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2019, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:02:45 PM

Just don't tell Whitman.

Tell them what? They know about the charter game pretty well. They also know why the NCAA told them no this time around. The costs were very prohibitive from what I was told. I mean ... no chance in hell.

Still not something they'd enjoy knowing, I imagine.

Ryan - I am not following. Do you think they don't know? Do you think they aren't aware of the flight situation?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2019, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2019, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2019, 01:02:45 PM

Just don't tell Whitman.

Tell them what? They know about the charter game pretty well. They also know why the NCAA told them no this time around. The costs were very prohibitive from what I was told. I mean ... no chance in hell.

Still not something they'd enjoy knowing, I imagine.

Ryan - I am not following. Do you think they don't know? Do you think they aren't aware of the flight situation?

Regardless of the rules and knowing what they are, there is still room for Whitman to be upset if they know they are flying commercial while Marietta is on a charter.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: pointlem on March 10, 2019, 08:35:18 AM
Sympathies to the Marietta team and fans from up north in Michigan. Watching much of Aston Francis vs. Marietta last night--with Marietta being the better team, while Francis had an NBA prospect night--I was reminded of watching Wheaton defeat Whitworth in the NCAA some years back. Whitworth had, it seemed, the better team--it looked like it could have won best-of-seven series--but Wheaton had the best player. Its star Kent Raymond was stroking 3's from way behind the line and ended up with 47 points, enabling a narrow Wheaton win. The next night he regressed to his average, enabling Hope to win.

Credit Marietta for being good enough to withstand all of Aston's fall-away 3-point shots and amazing 62 points, and nevertheless to be on the verge of victory with seconds left. What a heart breaker. But what a great team you've been and what great fan support you've enjoyed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on March 25, 2019, 03:21:57 PM
https://otterbeincardinals.com/news/2019/3/25/winters-chosen-to-lead-mens-basketball-program.aspx

Capital assistant Andy Winters will take the helm at Otterbein.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 12, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
I saw on twitter that STVM G Chris Painter is now committed to Mount.  He had several D2 offers.  Congrats to Coach Fuline.  Painter is a really nice player.  During basketball season I caught STVM highlights from time to time and not only can Painter shoot but he had several highlight reel dunks (at 5' 11").  He's just a really good athlete.  Excited to watch him next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2019, 11:46:38 PM

Found myself wandering through NE Ohio today and stopped in Alliance.  Empty, as you'd expect on a summer Saturday, but I got to see the athletic facilities in person.  Nice little stopover.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 26, 2019, 11:54:45 AM
As of today, the John Carroll basketball web site shows a slate of 19 games scheduled for the 2019-2020 season, with 18 of the being OAC games. That should leave 6 non-conference games to be scheduled and/or posted.

I believe 2 of those 6 games will take place on Sat, 11/30 & Sun, 12/1 when JCU participates in the Kalamazoo, MI tournament with Kalamazoo, Olivet, and North Central, IL. Information currently available to me suggests JCU will not play North Central, but will face host Kzoo, and Olivet. Which team they will play Sat, and which on Sun has not as yet been determined. 🏀
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on July 29, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
I was skimming some hoops stuff during lunch today.  I noticed something kind of interesting looking at Mount's records under Fuline (now somehow in his 9th year!)  For some reason in my head I thought they were feast or famine.  Either contending or not good.  But the thing is that other than his first season Fuline has never been worse than 9-9 in OAC play.  So my recollection of the "down" years were really just average years (3 seasons of 9-9).  And the good years?  15-3, 15-3, 14-4, 13-5.  If you can develop your program to a spot where 9-9 is the floor in the OAC that's a pretty solid program.     
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on August 25, 2019, 05:14:52 PM
For those that have not heard, recent ONU grad Ryan Bruns has signed to play professional basketball for Aquimisa Carbajosa in Spain this season:

http://www.onusports.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190731cf2sji

We spent the better part of a half an hour talking about his Polar Bear career and professional basketball journey this afternoon on the podcast:

https://greatlakesbasketball.podbean.com/e/profiles-in-sports-iv-ryan-bruns/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on October 27, 2019, 01:29:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBEwao55Eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBEwao55Eo)

D'Vontay Friga, a guard for the Mount Union MBB team, has a fairly popular youtube channel were he chronicles his life as a D3 basketball player. I haven't watched them all but they are definitely pretty enjoyable as a general D3 fan. Plus it gives some insight into scrimmages and practices at MUU.

This may have been brought up before I don't read this thread routinely, sorry if it is a repeat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 29, 2019, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on October 27, 2019, 01:29:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBEwao55Eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBEwao55Eo)

D'Vontay Friga, a guard for the Mount Union MBB team, has a fairly popular youtube channel were he chronicles his life as a D3 basketball player. I haven't watched them all but they are definitely pretty enjoyable as a general D3 fan. Plus it gives some insight into scrimmages and practices at MUU.

This may have been brought up before I don't read this thread routinely, sorry if it is a repeat.

I subscribed to D'Vontay's YouTube channel a few months ago.  He does a really nice job.  Keeps it fun and a little goofy, but does provide some good content especially for HS kids (and younger).  When I subscribed he was trying to get to 2,000 subscribers and now he has over 41,000.  Good for him.  It seems like he puts a good amount of time and effort into it so I'm glad he's growing a subscriber base.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 05, 2019, 04:27:40 PM
Mount received 7 of 10 first place votes and was picked to win the OAC in the coaches poll.  Etta and JCU were 2, 3 and had the remaining first place votes.

I'm slightly surprised by the poll.  Mount returns 1st team All-OAC PG Nathan Bower-Malone along with one other starter in Friga.  They also have reigning OAC Frosh of the yr Collen Gurley back at wing.  I figured they'd be top 3?  They do have at least two impact newcomers in Logan Hill and Chris Painter.  Hill is an athletic 6'7" post who transferred from Toledo.  He played his HS ball at Jackson so that's the connection to Mount.  Painter is a very talented freshman G from STVM.  I'd think he will contribute right away. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
I was told by a few people that Mount is one to look out for. I think the coaches probably realize the same that I was told. They have pieces in place that will make themselves a very good team this year. We can't always see that from looking at what returns.

Of course ... time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on November 05, 2019, 07:04:18 PM
I think the additions of both Hill and Painter will pay huge dividends to a team that was really gelling at the end of the year last year. Early whispers from folks who have seen them in action in scrimmages already this season have used some pretty complementary adjectives when describing Logan Hill. He'll be a monster in the league this year. His size (6"7') is one thing but he's exceptionally athletic with that frame as well.

Mind you also that Marietta and JCU both return some great teams and Wilmington and BW (preseason Top 25) will be no slouch either. The OAC stands to be another slate of "head on car collisions (as old JCU coach Mike Moran used to put it) this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 06, 2019, 05:10:45 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on November 05, 2019, 07:04:18 PM
I think the additions of both Hill and Painter will pay huge dividends to a team that was really gelling at the end of the year last year. Early whispers from folks who have seen them in action in scrimmages already this season have used some pretty complementary adjectives when describing Logan Hill. He'll be a monster in the league this year. His size (6"7') is one thing but he's exceptionally athletic with that frame as well.

Mind you also that Marietta and JCU both return some great teams and Wilmington and BW (preseason Top 25) will be no slouch either. The OAC stands to be another slate of "head on car collisions (as old JCU coach Mike Moran used to put it) this season.

Absolutely.  That's what I was telling one my buddies the other day.  He wasn't a super skilled kid in HS.  He was just a superior athlete.  So much so that he got a D1 scholarship.  At his size that translates to the OAC in a very favorable way for Mount.  As you said, other schools have 6'7" posts, but I doubt they have posts that are that type of athlete. 

I like their bigs this year.  I liked soph post Mario Caywood last year.  I think he could develop into a solid contributor.  He's a big body (6'6", 245) that got thrown into the fire as a frosh a little bit last year when they were without Niamke.  Lack of depth forced it.  He found his sea legs and flashed some nice potential. 

The OAC is always brutal.  This season will be no different especially when there isn't one dominant front runner.  As you mentioned, BW is ranked in the preseason top 25 and their peers ranked them 5th in the OAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 09, 2019, 09:18:35 AM
Mount opened the season with an impressive 71-52 win over Albion.  Albion was the preseason favorite in the MIAA coaches poll so it's definitely a solid win out of the gate.  Neither team shot well.  Bower-Malone had 14 pts, 11 ast, 7 reb.  Friga (18) and Gurley (17) lead the scoring.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on November 20, 2019, 07:00:12 PM
Mount Union appears stronger that I have seen in years.  The are talented, deep, and play really good D.  I have been most impressed with Painter, a new frosh, who looks more like a junior on the floor.  The scoring balance, or potential for about any of five guys to come out of the woodwork for 25 points on any given night will make them very hard to beat.  The OAC is, obviously, very talented and they may take a couple on the chin, but I think the coaches picking the #1 was accurate.  I still think they got stiffed by the NCAA at the end of last year, but this year will be, IMO, hard to keep them out of the post season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 20, 2019, 07:33:08 PM
I'm looking forward to next week's Mount Union-Wooster tilt at Timken Gym. Should be an excellent early-season measuring stick for both teams. Winner picks up what could be a consequential win for regional rankings come February.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 21, 2019, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on November 20, 2019, 07:00:12 PM
Mount Union appears stronger that I have seen in years.  The are talented, deep, and play really good D.  I have been most impressed with Painter, a new frosh, who looks more like a junior on the floor.  The scoring balance, or potential for about any of five guys to come out of the woodwork for 25 points on any given night will make them very hard to beat.  The OAC is, obviously, very talented and they may take a couple on the chin, but I think the coaches picking the #1 was accurate.  I still think they got stiffed by the NCAA at the end of last year, but this year will be, IMO, hard to keep them out of the post season.

There are two things that give them an advantage IMO.  Depth with bigs.  Many years they're thin on front line depth (as are many D3 teams).  They have 3 big guys that can start and play chunks of minutes with Hill being a potential difference maker.  Secondly they have an excellent PG running the show in Bower-Malone.  He's a very good distributor in addition to being a scoring threat and clutch FT shooter.  It's huge to have a first team All-OAC guy bringing the ball up every time in crunch time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: econboy87 on November 21, 2019, 11:42:04 AM
I expect the Wooster-Mount Union game to be a track meet next week. It will probably come down to taking care of the ball and I would give Mount Union the edge in that department. Home court advantage may not exist for Wooster with the students on Thanksgiving break and that is huge as they have really been vocal the first two games. Hempy versus Hill will be very entertaining to watch. I would rate Hempy as the most complete player in the NCAC right now and as he goes so do the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 22, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 29, 2019, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on October 27, 2019, 01:29:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBEwao55Eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBEwao55Eo)

D'Vontay Friga, a guard for the Mount Union MBB team, has a fairly popular youtube channel were he chronicles his life as a D3 basketball player. I haven't watched them all but they are definitely pretty enjoyable as a general D3 fan. Plus it gives some insight into scrimmages and practices at MUU.

This may have been brought up before I don't read this thread routinely, sorry if it is a repeat.

I subscribed to D'Vontay's YouTube channel a few months ago.  He does a really nice job.  Keeps it fun and a little goofy, but does provide some good content especially for HS kids (and younger).  When I subscribed he was trying to get to 2,000 subscribers and now he has over 41,000.  Good for him.  It seems like he puts a good amount of time and effort into it so I'm glad he's growing a subscriber base.

D'Vontay is really gaining a following.  He's over 55k subscribers now.  He's done some cool content recently.  He shadowed a Hiram player to show a day in the life of another school's student athlete.  He did a day in the life of a women's BB player at Mount (two actually since they were twins).  Those and stuff like showing their locker room/gear, what road trips are like, home games, etc. is all great content for HS kids wanting to play in college. 

He has a nice mix of funny videos and more informative ones.  I subscribed just because he's a Mount kid, but I've already watched far more content than I ever imagined.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on November 23, 2019, 09:35:23 PM
Mount Union 77
Adrian 80

This is a genuine surprise. Adrian was picked last by the MIAA coaches in their preseason poll. Mount had a 10 point lead with 13 mins left in the second half, but that was the high-water mark. Raiders missed two last-second 3 point attempts that would've tied it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 25, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on November 23, 2019, 09:35:23 PM
Mount Union 77
Adrian 80

This is a genuine surprise. Adrian was picked last by the MIAA coaches in their preseason poll. Mount had a 10 point lead with 13 mins left in the second half, but that was the high-water mark. Raiders missed two last-second 3 point attempts that would've tied it.

It was an awful result.  Adrian is not good.  Then they turn around and lose 80-78 at Trine yesterday.  It was a rough weekend for Mount.  They did not look good in either of those games.  Too many missed layups/not finishing in close, missed open looks by good shooters and inconsistent D.  In both games at least one opposing perimeter player absolutely torched them.  Yesterday Trine beat them on a blow by from the 3 point line for a layup with 2 seconds left.  If they play like they did the last two days at Wooster it'll be bad news.  They'll regroup and be ready though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 27, 2019, 08:39:38 PM
Bounce right back.  Huge win 81-67 at #16 Wooster.  Last weekend was an anomaly hopefully. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 27, 2019, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 27, 2019, 08:39:38 PM
Bounce right back.  Huge win 81-67 at #16 Wooster.  Last weekend was an anomaly hopefully.

Not just a huge win, a dominant performance.  I'm not sure either of these teams is a national contender, but UMU looked to be better all around.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 05, 2019, 12:15:39 PM
Mount opened OAC play handing JCU their first loss with a 96-79 win at UH.  If you're doing pluses and minuses on your schedule a road win is always big in the OAC, but a road win at JCU is definitely a big plus.  I watched the game and Mount played really well after weathering a tough start.  Mount was cold shooting out of the gate and Flannery and Sartain were not.  Mount steadied themselves and fought back to lead by 6 at half.  It looked like Mount's size bothered JCU.  JCU just didn't have the big bodies to match up down low (33-23 on the boards).  Mount rotated through Carroll, Hill and Caywood in the post with Caywood being the high minute guy with 9 pts, 6 reb in 18 min.  Slack also stepped up huge with excellent D and 24 points on 10-14 shooting.  He hit a couple threes that were much needed.  Bower-Malone had a double double with 17 pts, 10 ast.  Friga added 21 and 5 boards off the bench.  Overall it was a 2nd consecutive very complete effort on the road against a quality team from Mount.

JCU has to come right back and play at Etta Saturday so they're being thrown in the fire immediately in OAC play.  Mount gets ONU at home. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2019, 10:57:58 AM
Mount moved to 2-0 in OAC play beating ONU 81-60.  Gurley started strong with 11 points early to match a quick start by ONU.  Friga looked really good going aggressively to the rack multiple times finishing strong.  And Hill looked the best I've seen him so far.  Just more comfortable and confident around the basket.  Showing nice touch and athleticism.

On the ONU side, they're very young.  They started a senior, a sophomore and three freshmen.  Their two best players were two of the freshmen.  Their first guy off the bench was another freshman.  They're going to take some lumps this year, but could be a problem down the road.  Napier is a nice player at 6'5".
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on December 10, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
Slack is a nice player and someone I was really surprised to see playing lots of minutes. There is a ton to like about him though, plays good defense, rebounds well, shoots well and can make some game changing momentum type plays. I feel like Mount has quite a few guys that have the capability of changing the game quickly and that's exciting to see. I like the versatility of the lineups that Fuline can use with different types of guards and big men. These guys just need to remain consistent and keep getting better. Looking forward to the rest of the season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 10, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
I was surprised to see Slack starting and playing so much too, but after watching most of their games it makes sense to me now.  He's 6'4" and athletic so he's critical as a perimeter defender for them.  His outside shooting has been the best surprise of the season IMO.  He's really emerged as a key guy.

It's way too early to know if this is Fuline's best team or not, but they have very few weaknesses.  As I posted earlier, their depth in the post is something they don't usually have.  This year they have 3 bigs playing 10+ minutes apiece so far.  As Hill continues to rack up game minutes with his new teammates he's going to be a problem for opponents.  You can just see it in how easily he gets shots off when he gets the ball down low.  His footwork and his bounce just get him off the floor and the shot up before the defender can contest it well.

I like them bringing Friga, Hill and Painter in off the bench.  It gives them a nice burst when the teams start subbing because those are 3 starter quality players coming off the bench.  And as you mentioned the versatility is big.  Fuline can adjust his crunch time 5 from game to game and feel confident in who has on the floor.  The biggest reason why is because they all defend.  There is no gunslinger 3 point shooter who is a folding chair on defense.  It's going to be fun to watch them develop.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 14, 2019, 04:06:20 PM
Mount needs to clean up their atrocious passing in the second half.  13 Raider turnovers including 9 steals by Wilm at half.  Credit to Wilm as they're in Mount's jerseys defensively, but you need to be fundamentally sound passing (and receiving).
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 16, 2019, 12:00:08 PM
Mount did not clean up their ball control much with an additional 10 turnovers in the 2nd half.  Bower-Malone had a very uncharacteristic 9 turnovers alone.  In the end it didn't matter as Mount won 84-74 to stay perfect at 3-0 in OAC play.  Gurley took over in the 2nd half scoring 24 of his 26 points.  Painter had two critical corner threes in the second half as well.  He really clutched up at times when they badly needed a big shot.

On Wilm I will say this, they're undersized.  Mount out rebounded them 43-23.  But they are certainly athletic.  They are in your jersey on defense.  Excellent on ball pressure, aggressive in the passing lanes.  And they have a couple scorers.  Mansfield had 29 and is averaging 20 a game.  They're now 2-1 in OAC play and they're going to give some people pains.  The box score doesn't do this game justice.  It was a very close game with Wilm leading the majority of of it.  They trailed only 70-68 when they game went under 4:00.  I was impressed with their effort.

Outside of Alliance JCU has officially dug themselves one helluva hole dropping to 0-3 with a loss to Musky.  They unfortunately came up unlucky on the Marcus Dempsey front as he shot well Saturday (12-22) and finished with 38.  You know when you play the Fish that Dempsey is going to chuck up a ton of shots.  You just have to hope he isn't hitting a high %.  JCU needs to rattle off a few in a row with ONU (minus Napier recently), Ott, Wilm and Berg on deck.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on December 28, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
The 4th annual Great Lakes Invitational will take place November 20-21, 2020 back on the campus of Marietta College.

The 2020 Field:
Great Lakes: Marietta, Wilmington, La Roche, Wabash
Outside: St. Thomas, Whitman, Emory, Randolph Macon

https://pioneers.marietta.edu/news/2019/12/27/great-lakes-invitational-returns-to-ban-johnson-arena-in-2020.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 30, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
Mount swept their two games in FL over the weekend to improve to 8-2. They beat Alfred and Union.  I watched most of both games. They handled Alfred easily and pulled away from Union in the 2nd half.  Union should have been a little easier.  They had a couple nice players but overall were surprisingly unathletic.  Mount outclassed them by a wide margin and down the stretch it showed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on December 31, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
I've been trying to catch Mount when I can. They have so much potential, but seem to have a difficult time being consistent. Like you said Dr, the turnovers are killer. I really like the make up if this team though. With some good big men and really good guards, they have a chance. In D3, you NEED GREAT GUARD PLAY! Well, so levels really, but it can cover up other weaknesses. I like Fuline a lot, but was hoping to see some tweaks with the starting lineup vs non league teams to see if different personnel helps get a better start. Bowers-Malone, Gurley, Friga, and Painter are very good guards and exciting to watch.

I don't check this site often, but try to catch up with the team when I can. Go Raiders!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2020, 08:10:32 PM
The inconsistency shows up today as Mount's 6 game win streak is snapped 68-67 at Berg.  Berg was 3-7 coming into today so this was a bit of a head scratcher.  It looked like MIAA Mount.  Just like in the road losses to MIAA squads Mount was plagued by poor shooting and the inability to defend dribble penetration consistently.  They shot 41% from the floor.  And just like at Trine is was just a straight blow by from the 3 pt line for a layup for the game winner.  In this case it was an and 1 to erase Mount's 67-65 lead.  Gurley did his best to carry them home with back to back massive plays (4 pt play and a pull up 3) to give them the late lead.  A careless turnover/foul hurt them after that and set up Berg's go ahead bucket.  Friga had a quick 7 straight points burst earlier in the half to spark Mount and keep them in it.  He and Gurley carried them today.  On to BW.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 09, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
Nice bounce back win for the Raiders in Berea last night.  They're now 9-3, 4-1.  First things first BW needs to get rid of that trash PlaySight streaming service and use Boxcast like the rest of the OAC.  Their video feed was awful.  I'm talking 30 sec max between freezing.  Then it freezes and when it unfreezes it picks up where it froze and then a few seconds later jumps ahead to live so it was 62-61 and then it jumps and well now it's 66-64.  The OAC has a partnership with Boxcast now and I haven't had any issue watching any other OAC school's feed since that happened.  It's been really nice.

As for the game, I don't know what it is with BW, but it seems like any time Mount plays them nowadays one of their guards is unconscious.  Quiring finished with a career high 30 including 7-11 from 3 (he was 7-9 before taking two DEEP desperation three's in the closing seconds).  Mount jumped out to a 30-15 lead early, but BW dug out of that hole cutting it to 40-35 at half.  It was a very competitive 2nd half.  IMO the game changing plays were at 66-66 Mount got a 3 point play from Friga and a made 3 pointer by Poole back to back to give themselves some separation with 5:00 left.  They pushed the lead to 8 the next possession and only Quiring shooting the lights out allowed them to even get within 3 again.  Hill had his best game to date with 18 points on 7-11 shooting.  He looked really good including knocking down an open 3.  Gurley was hindered by foul trouble, but still put up 16 including his normal crunch time strong finishes.  Bower-Malone started off shooting cold, but smartly went to the rack to end up 4-10 on his 10 pts, 7 ast, 7 reb stat line. 

The interesting thing about this Mount team is that they really seem to ebb and flow with the competition level sometimes.  They've played their worst against some of the worst teams, but on the flip side they go on the road and win at Woo, JCU and BW already.  Winning on the road in the OAC is tough, let alone at quality teams like those two.  If the loss at Berg was a half step back then this is a full step forward.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 12, 2020, 01:20:46 PM
I just noticed that Berg is now 3-3 in OAC play so Mount's loss on the road there is not quite as jarring as it originally looked.  The Princes are at least competent and not some cellar dweller.  Speaking of 3-3 JCU has indeed rebounded and evened their mark now.  Honestly, at the 1/3 point of the OAC season I think JCU is the 3rd best team.  IMO it's Etta, Mount, JCU, BW. 

I watched the Mount/Cap game yesterday and was not impressed with Cap (also 3-3).  Frankly, I'm baffled by how they scored 92 points on Wilm.  They didn't shoot well as a team yesterday, but I was just scratching my head who their scorers were normally other than Caldwell. 

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 18, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
I was watching some highlights of Mount's 105-86 win at Musky Wednesday where Dempsey dropped 45 on 17-25 shooting.  Good grief.  He's just out there crossing over hitting fade away 20 footers.  Pulling up 5 feet behind the 3 point line.  That's always the fear when you play the Fish is that he's gonna be feeling it.  Luckily Gurley was too tying a school record with 9 triples.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 19, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
Well, it's finally here.  Etta (8-0) at Mount (7-1) on Wednesday.  Mount looked flat in the first half at Ott yesterday, but turned it on in the second half to pull away easily.  79-67 final, but they were up 21 when they cleared the bench with 3 minutes to go so the final was closer than the game actually was.  Hill's athleticism was on full display yesterday highlighted by flying in on the offensive glass for two handed dunks on back to back missed shots en route to a double double (10 pts, 14 reb).  The Ott radio kid put it best..."that's just not something you really see in the OAC."

As for around the OAC I'm scratching my head at JCU dropping one to Cap in UH moving both to 4-4.  Looking at the box score JCU shot very poorly.  Bad time for that because that's a game you need to win.  BW held off Wilm 87-84 which seems about right for two teams that looked pretty equal to my untrained eye.  JCU at BW Wednesday is an important game too.

Last note, at 12-3 Mount could (and probably should) be 15-0.  Not to be a pig, maybe 14-1 is a better statement.  At Berg (4-4) continues to lessen in the rear view mirror.  It's tough to win on the road in the OAC so I get it.  It's a grind.  But losing by 2 and 3 points at the MIAA schools are games you should win 9 out of 10 times.  But they've gone 10-1 since so I realize I sound like a Mount football fan here!     
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 20, 2020, 12:39:32 PM
Yup, this is the big one in OAC play - and major GL Regional implications, too. Plus I tend to think Mount Union is being somewhat overlooked in national Top 25 conversation. I'm biased since I got to see them flay my Wooster Scots back before Thanksgiving, but the data agrees with idea that UMU should be in national conversation: Matt Snyder's data has UMU 9th in his DIII efficiency rankings, Massey has them at #11 and with the 10th best SOS to date in the country.

Both Snyder and Massey have Marietta #2 in their rankings...Should be a fun one on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 20, 2020, 07:03:03 PM
I'm even more biased and I certainly think they're one of the 25 best teams nationally, but I also get it.  They're not a brand name in basketball so they need to make more waves to get the attention of the voters.  Plus they have 3 less-than-stellar losses that other ranked teams may not. 

If they beat Etta on Wednesday I'm sure they'll be ranked so they just need to take care of business.  And more importantly, if they hit the midway point at 8-1 with wins over Etta, JCU and BW in hand they will be in first place heading to the second half of the OAC slate.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 20, 2020, 07:54:09 PM
Yup, you're right, for a team lacking the national pedigree of other programs, the three losses to date probably keeps UMU anywhere from off the radar to just off their ballot. I do think that while you'd rather be 13-2 or 14-1, none of the three losses look completely terrible. The 'Berg one is probably the "worst," but no real surprise to drop one on the road in the OAC.

You're right they'll jump into the poll with a win over the Pios...and if they notch that one, their three best wins (vs. Albion, at Woo, vs. Marietta) would be impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 20, 2020, 11:54:14 PM
I don't agree about "brand name." We can go through the Top 25 and those receiving votes and find a lot of teams that aren't what many would consider "brand names."

Second of all, many have had Mount Union on their radars. There has been thinking that the Raiders may break through with a stellar season, but they do have three losses that give voters pause - especially two in a row that haven't had a lot of polls or results to get away from. We are now at that point and Mount Union has been gaining points as a result.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2020, 11:42:51 AM

Voters are definitely aware of UMU, for sure.  Honestly, I suspect a single digit loss to Marietta will be a positive for them, ranking-wise.  Obviously not as good as a win, but a good showing will improve their standing as well.  I have them right on the cusp - not yet enough wins to outweigh the losses, but the team controls how that changes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on January 22, 2020, 08:47:51 PM
Well, Mount Union wasn't able to manage a single-digit loss, or really even able to keep it close at all. Instead, the Raiders ran Marietta right out of the building, winning going away by *37*.

Marietta 70
Mount Union 107


Not a typo. Biggest difference on the stat sheet was 3-point shooting: Marietta was a paltry 3-15 (20%), while Mount Union hit 19-35 (54%). Marietta also was only 16-27 (59%) at the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 22, 2020, 09:01:19 PM
That might be enough to overcome the three losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: monsoon on January 22, 2020, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: kiltedbryan on January 22, 2020, 08:47:51 PM
Well, Mount Union wasn't able to manage a single-digit loss, or really even able to keep it close at all. Instead, the Raiders ran Marietta right out of the building, winning going away by *37*.

Marietta 70
Mount Union 107


Not a typo. Biggest difference on the stat sheet was 3-point shooting: Marietta was a paltry 3-15 (20%), while Mount Union hit 19-35 (54%). Marietta also was only 16-27 (59%) at the line.

:o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 26, 2020, 04:22:21 PM
I don't know why, but I looked at VanderWal's run at Etta.  It's really impressive to state the obvious.  He had three losing seasons to start as he built things up, but in the nine seasons since?  Good grief.  His "worst" season was 17-9, 12-6 in 2011-12.

206-55 (.789) avg. season 22.9-6.1
132-30 OAC (.814) avg. season 14.7-3.3
6 OAC regular season titles, 3 OAC tourney titles
7 NCAA appearances in 9 seasons including five straight with two elite 8 and two sweet 16 finishes

It's hard to pick the most impressive stat, but given the grind that the OAC is I think his current streak of 7 straight seasons at 14-4 or better in the OAC might be it.  And it'll be 8 straight after this season.  That's remarkable consistency especially in this conference.


Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 03, 2020, 07:33:13 PM
Mount now sits alone atop the OAC standings after taking care of their road game at ONU Saturday.  This news surprised me because I'll admit that when I saw Etta up 12 at half at JCU I didn't really think to check back again.  I assumed Etta was in control.  So I was definitely surprised when I saw JCU outscored them by 25 in the second half.  It looks like Etta was stone cold from the floor in the second half while JCU heated up big time.

I watched the Mount game.  They played well rattling off their 8th straight win.  The first half was kind of back and forth with neither team really jumping out too much.  IMO the game had that feel where Mount wasn't up big, but I also wasn't really concerned that they weren't going to win ever.  Bottom line was I didn't think ONU could string together enough defensive stops at any point to go on any big run.  I said something to this effect earlier and I'll say it again...freshman CJ Napier is going to be a really nice player for ONU.  He's already a nice player to be fair to him.  He's just so effective scoring in different ways.  Nice mid-range stroke, good confidence pulling up, soft touch with either hand around the basket.  Never seems out of control, just works his moves.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 12, 2020, 09:50:30 AM
How many OAC teams do we think will be in the tournament this year? I'd say Marietta and Mount Union are pretty safe bets. Short of a surprise team winning the tournament, I think it will only be those two. It looks like it will be a fun last two weeks seeing where the top two sort out, where 3-7 sort out, and who will sneak in as the last team in the conference tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 12, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 12, 2020, 09:50:30 AM
How many OAC teams do we think will be in the tournament this year? I'd say Marietta and Mount Union are pretty safe bets. Short of a surprise team winning the tournament, I think it will only be those two. It looks like it will be a fun last two weeks seeing where the top two sort out, where 3-7 sort out, and who will sneak in as the last team in the conference tournament!

Unless the wheels fall off of either Marietta or Mount, I believe they will be the only two who are Pool C worthy this year. That said, a surprise conference tournament winner could get 3 OAC teams into the field.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on February 12, 2020, 09:06:58 PM
Wow... What a game from the purple raiders!!! You have to give credit to Marietta for sure because they were down 20 at one point and they had the momentum until Bowers-Malone got that and one late. I can understand the technical on Bowers-Malone, but why the one on Carroll? He fought the defender for the ball, the defender falls away from him and he hangs on the rim for a second... He even turned his head to look towards the defender. Oh well, this has been a very entertaining season to follow so far and I hope Mount Union continues to improve! I also hope they can host the tourney and my wife allows me to go watch...😁
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 17, 2020, 12:09:59 PM
Mount clinched at least a share of the OAC title as well as the #1 seed with their win over Berg on Saturday.  12 straight wins now.  It's their first back-to-back regular season titles since 1942!

Non-basketball related, but I saw a couple things that are part of what make D3 great.  Tip of the cap to the Berg players for wearing the #PapaStrong shirts during warm ups supporting Coach Fuline's dad and his battle with cancer.  Very classy move.  Secondly, when Fuline put in an injured senior at the very end of the game to dribble it out Berg walked over and fouled him so he could try to score from the line.  Not only did he get his first minute of his senior year, but he also cracked the box score knocking down the second FT.  Good sportsmanship on display.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:15:09 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2020, 10:10:28 AM
Congratulations to Mount as they nailed down the outright OAC title last night beating BW 83-73.  They ran their win streak to 13 games.  Aside from that early head scratching weekend on the road this has been one magical regular season.  I'm old enough to remember the great Aaron Shipp/Neal Richards team from the mid 90's.  This team has the ability to end up in the discussion of best Mount team ever if they play like they can the next few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on February 20, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
Mount Union appears to have many weapons, a strong bench, good chemistry and excellent coaching.  They have, however, lost some big leads and this is troubling.  Their balance is a real tough match-up, although BW appears to match up well with them and I would fear seeing them again in the OAC tourney.
This is a team that could go far in the NCAA, they have shown a great ability to come from behind and catch fire when necessary.  Will be fun to watch.
I cannot remember seeing a better all-around team at Mount Union in many years.  Fuline deserves all the credit for putting Raider basketball on the map. The best thing is he is as fine a person as he is a coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 22, 2020, 06:22:14 PM
With the regular season officially wrapped up I found myself a little surprised that I didn't think Dempsey was the slam dunk POY I thought he was originally.  I know I'm biased, but Bower-Malone has to be in that discussion.  Aside from being the floor general of the 17-1 conference champs his statistical resume is excellent headlined by being top 4 in scoring and assists:

17.6 PPG (#4 in the OAC)
5.6 APG (#1)
49.7% FG (#10)
39.2% 3FG (#16)
87.9% FT (#1)
4.3 RPG

If you're scoring that much and still putting up damn near 50/40/90 slash lines that's incredible efficiency.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 24, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
I was watching the Cap game at work yesterday and caught Coach Goodwin's pregame comments.  He seemed to think that Bower-Malone is the front runner for POY.  He also had high praise for the team overall mentioning that it was the best Mount team he had seen in 25 years and had the capability of winning a national title.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on February 24, 2020, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 24, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
I was watching the Cap game at work yesterday and caught Coach Goodwin's pregame comments.  He seemed to think that Bower-Malone is the front runner for POY.  He also had high praise for the team overall mentioning that it was the best Mount team he had seen in 25 years and had the capability of winning a national title.

A quick look at Massey's computer rankings agree....Mount Union is #1 in the country this morning.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cb2020/ncaa-d3/ratings

I've been watching OAC basketball a long time and this year's Mount team is as good as I've seen. In a league this deep, to go 17-1 and be just a basket away from a perfect 18-0 is incredibly impressive. I am hoping they (and Marietta, and a possible third upset conference tournament winner) represent the conference well again on the national stage.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 24, 2020, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on February 24, 2020, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 24, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
I was watching the Cap game at work yesterday and caught Coach Goodwin's pregame comments.  He seemed to think that Bower-Malone is the front runner for POY.  He also had high praise for the team overall mentioning that it was the best Mount team he had seen in 25 years and had the capability of winning a national title.

A quick look at Massey's computer rankings agree....Mount Union is #1 in the country this morning.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cb2020/ncaa-d3/ratings

I've been watching OAC basketball a long time and this year's Mount team is as good as I've seen. In a league this deep, to go 17-1 and be just a basket away from a perfect 18-0 is incredibly impressive. I am hoping they (and Marietta, and a possible third upset conference tournament winner) represent the conference well again on the national stage.

I was just telling my buddy yesterday that they very easily could be 25-0.  Not saying they should have won any of their 3 losses because they just didn't make the plays to win, but meaning that they absolutely had a good chance at the end to win all 3 of those games.  The flip side of course is that they had a couple games they easily could have lost if not for making big plays at the end.  It evens out.

The thing that gives me the most hope going forward is that they have depth and versatility for match ups game to game.  They have guys like Poole (6'5"), Slack (6'4") and Hill (6'7") if they need athletic length to defend smaller teams.  Carroll at 6'11" 250 is just a moose if you need to match up with a big center.  And in crunch time you're probably going to have Bower-Malone, Gurley and Friga on the floor giving you your 3 best scorers who also handle the ball, shoot the 3 well and all shoot 80%+ from the line. 

The knit pick items that have worried me have been taking their foot off the gas with a big lead, vulnerable to guys who can penetrate from the perimeter, sporadic trouble with full court pressure and sideline inbound issues leading to burning timeouts.  And yes, I realize I'm putting a microscope on things but I've watched almost all of their games so I've noticed more than a normal season!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2020, 08:49:50 PM

Bower-Malone barely plays tonight.  Injury?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: AO on February 25, 2020, 11:36:46 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2020, 08:49:50 PM

Bower-Malone barely plays tonight.  Injury?
Sounds like they just gave him some extra rest for a pre-existing ankle injury.   He looked to be moving ok at the end of the 1st half, didn't play in the 2nd half.  https://www.cantonrep.com/sports/20200225/drsquovontay-friga-posts-career-high-to-lead-mount-union-menrsquos-basketball-to-win-in-oac-quarterfinals?template=ampart&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
A great season capped off with OAC special awards.  Bower-Malone is POY and Fuline is COY.  Well deserved.  Friga was 1st team and Gurley 2nd team to round out the Raider honorees. 

As for the OAC tourney...I guess the clearest path to 3 OAC teams in the NCAA tourney would have been Mount losing in the semis to BW/Berg and then BW/Berg beating Etta in the finals?  But the actual scenario would probably be next best if JCU can beat Mount in the finals.  As much as I'm an OAC homer not even can I root for that to happen though.  Sorry Streaks, maybe next year! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on February 29, 2020, 07:49:06 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
A great season capped off with OAC special awards.  Bower-Malone is POY and Fuline is COY.  Well deserved.  Friga was 1st team and Gurley 2nd team to round out the Raider honorees. 

As for the OAC tourney...I guess the clearest path to 3 OAC teams in the NCAA tourney would have been Mount losing in the semis to BW/Berg and then BW/Berg beating Etta in the finals?  But the actual scenario would probably be next best if JCU can beat Mount in the finals.  As much as I'm an OAC homer not even can I root for that to happen though.  Sorry Streaks, maybe next year!

After last year, with Mount being snubbed for the tournament, I wouldn't count on anything except the OAC tournament championship to get into the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 29, 2020, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: rscl70 on February 29, 2020, 07:49:06 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
A great season capped off with OAC special awards.  Bower-Malone is POY and Fuline is COY.  Well deserved.  Friga was 1st team and Gurley 2nd team to round out the Raider honorees. 

As for the OAC tourney...I guess the clearest path to 3 OAC teams in the NCAA tourney would have been Mount losing in the semis to BW/Berg and then BW/Berg beating Etta in the finals?  But the actual scenario would probably be next best if JCU can beat Mount in the finals.  As much as I'm an OAC homer not even can I root for that to happen though.  Sorry Streaks, maybe next year!

After last year, with Mount being snubbed for the tournament, I wouldn't count on anything except the OAC tournament championship to get into the NCAA tournament.

I understand the reluctance but Mount is in and Mount is hosting next weekend (maybe the Sweet 16 if  things fall right).  This is one of the best OAC teams I have seen in my two decades plus of watching this league. Both they and Marietta will be in the tournament.

So, since I have put your mind at ease, might as well just lose tonight so we can get a third team in.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 01, 2020, 04:12:27 PM
Can someone more intelligent on pool C than me tell me how much it hurts Etta being behind Witt on the latest RR considering Witt lost and also has poor SOS?  Are they both still safe?

As for last night's game I'll tell you this much...JCU is a good basketball team.  If they had won I would not want to play them in the first round.  Sartain was just killing Mount the entire first half.  It seemed like he was drilling every 3.  Fortunately he cooled off in the second half.  And as much of a Mount homer as I am even I have to admit that I would have been incensed over a few of the calls against JCU defending Bower-Malone if I was a Streak alum.  He does a really good job of using his off forearm to create space when he's pressured, but sometimes he's too physical with it IMO.  There were a couple times that I thought they easily could have called him for pushing off instead of a block on the D.  Of course I was clapping and praising the great calls during the actual game!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2020, 04:35:44 PM
It will definitely slow Marietta's progress to the conversation. Wittenberg will get into the field, though. Marietta has to be thankful it has that win against Albion to keep them ahead of Albion because I don't think anyone behind Marietta gets into the field from the Great Lakes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 02, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
The way Marietta finished the season and, after watching John Carroll at Mount Union, I believe that JCU is a more deserving team for a bid.  I think the same thing will happen to them that did to Mount last year.  I felt Mount really got hosed not getting in, and John Carroll  is in the same seat this year. The Blue Streaks are playing very well and could win a game or two. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on March 02, 2020, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on March 02, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
The way Marietta finished the season and, after watching John Carroll at Mount Union, I believe that JCU is a more deserving team for a bid.  I think the same thing will happen to them that did to Mount last year.  I felt Mount really got hosed not getting in, and John Carroll  is in the same seat this year. The Blue Streaks are playing very well and could win a game or two.

These are the 4 C's in consideration from the Great Lakes.

Wittenberg - .929 WP, .513 SOS, 3-2 rRRO
Marietta - .778 WP, .529 SOS, 4-4 rRRO
Albion - .808 WP, .530 SOS, 0-2 rRRO
John Carroll - .679 WP, .535 SOS, 3-4 rRRO

Using the criteria and regional rankings to order who gets discussed for at-large consideration....I just don't see how John Carroll ever makes it to the table for discussion. I agree that the Streaks are a great team and could win some tournament games but they'll likely be stuck behind Albion (who I don't believe gets in either) when the selections end.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on March 03, 2020, 11:20:11 AM
Out of curiosity, if John Carroll and Albion had been flipped in the final RR, does anyone think John Carroll may have gotten selected?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on March 03, 2020, 11:20:11 AM
Out of curiosity, if John Carroll and Albion had been flipped in the final RR, does anyone think John Carroll may have gotten selected?

No.  I don't think they won enough games.  Their resume would not have compared favorably to Eau Claire or probably Amherst, still on the table.  Under .700 winning percentage was going to need a knock your socks off vRRO or SOS to get in and JCU's .535 wouldn't have been enough.  Like with VA Wesleyan, if they had beaten the top team in the region just once, or avoided one or two of those bad losses, they would've been a real contender.  Eight OAC losses was too many, even for the third place team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 04, 2020, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on March 03, 2020, 11:20:11 AM
Out of curiosity, if John Carroll and Albion had been flipped in the final RR, does anyone think John Carroll may have gotten selected?

No.  I don't think they won enough games.  Their resume would not have compared favorably to Eau Claire or probably Amherst, still on the table.  Under .700 winning percentage was going to need a knock your socks off vRRO or SOS to get in and JCU's .535 wouldn't have been enough.  Like with VA Wesleyan, if they had beaten the top team in the region just once, or avoided one or two of those bad losses, they would've been a real contender.  Eight OAC losses was too many, even for the third place team.

Could not agree more . . . . however, I think the easier path would have been to NOT lose to Muskingum (3-15 in OAC play) or Northern (5-13 in OAC play)  Flip those two losses and I think they are in the tournament.  The Muskingum loss (especially since it was their third straight loss to start the year and they beat 'em by 30 in January) is especially painful looking back at the season now.  The ONU loss is perplexing because they knew they had little margin for error as the season wound down.  Losses like the Heidelberg and Capital losses happen in OAC play - the middle of the pack teams are usually good enough to get the good (if not great) teams and they did just that. However, they were both at home and the Berg was in the month of February when, again, they already knew they had little margin for error.

So, when I look at their lack of a tournament bid with a very good team, I don't look at the committee and I don't look at a 2-4 records against this year's Big Two.  Rather, I look at these four names:  Muskingum, Northern, Capital and the Berg . . . and I get a stomach ache.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 04, 2020, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 26, 2020, 04:22:21 PM
I don't know why, but I looked at VanderWal's run at Etta.  It's really impressive to state the obvious.  He had three losing seasons to start as he built things up, but in the nine seasons since?  Good grief.  His "worst" season was 17-9, 12-6 in 2011-12.

206-55 (.789) avg. season 22.9-6.1
132-30 OAC (.814) avg. season 14.7-3.3
6 OAC regular season titles, 3 OAC tourney titles
7 NCAA appearances in 9 seasons including five straight with two elite 8 and two sweet 16 finishes

It's hard to pick the most impressive stat, but given the grind that the OAC is I think his current streak of 7 straight seasons at 14-4 or better in the OAC might be it.  And it'll be 8 straight after this season.  That's remarkable consistency especially in this conference.

. . . and don't forget that he inherited a program that was 0-for-the-OAC (or very close to it) for the 2-3 years before his arrival.  I thought he was too young and too whiny those first two seasons but he proved me wrong and in a hurry.  I don't think Coach Fuline was provided a much better base by Lee Hood but Marietta was really an afterthought when he got there.  Like you, I am very impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 04, 2020, 03:09:01 PM
Coach Fuline and his staff have done a wonderful job of building the Mount Union program, basically from scratch.  The Raiders were not terrible when he got there, but sub .500 seasons were becoming a habit.  He deserves great credit, as does Coach Kehres for bringing him in a giving him the support he needed to build a winner.  I believe he will make Mount Union a perennial championship contender and hope he stays at Mount for years to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 07, 2020, 06:48:42 AM
As an outsider of the OAC, the program seemed like a “sleeping giant,” a program that needs the right jump start to become a consistently towards the top of their conference and a NCAA tournament team. This was highlighted by them showing their commitment to athletics, great football program that helps with school recognition, and being in a top tier conf like the OAC. Not trying to take anything away from Coach Fuline, quite the opposite in-fact, as I agree he has done a wonderful job with the purple raider basketball program. Not every coach would be able to provide that jump start needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 07, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
IMO the biggest thing that Fuline brought to the program was his personality.  He is well liked and well respected by the HS coaches in NE Ohio from his time as their peer.  His players, current and former, seem to universally love him and his family.  That allows him to recruit at a higher level than the program had in the past.  It sounds silly, but he's brought heart and passion to the program and the players are drawn to it and respond to it.  A perfect example is seeing how the players emotionally interacted with not their coach, but his dad after they won the OAC title.  A lot of coaches preach that their program is like a family, but it seems like Fuline actually accomplishes it.  I hope he stays in Alliance for a long, long time because I couldn't be prouder of how he represents Mount. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2020, 12:58:05 AM
The host sites for the men's Sweet 16 have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2020/bracket and game times: https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-13 and https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2019-20/ncaa-tournament?date=2020-03-14
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 08, 2020, 12:25:56 PM
That York game was a grind.  Early on watching it I thought Mount was going to win fairly easily just because York looked slow and unathletic by comparison, but York just kept battling back.  I didn't see anyone that could create their own shot.  But man do they work.  They defended well completely shutting down Gurley.  They ran ball screen after ball screen and executed their offense well.  They hit open 3's.  I was very impressed with Gordon.  He had a nice stroke.  In a lot of ways they reminded of an OAC team.  Nothing super flashy, but just a good, well coached team with several good players, but no dominant player.

Mount survived an off night from Gurley (0-9 although 3 or 4 of those were halfway down the cylinder and somehow came out) and Friga.  To his credit Friga shook off a slow start and hit some key shots down the stretch.  They only survived because Bower-Malone was unconscious shattering the single game scoring record with 53 (15-21 FG, 7-8 from 3).  His deep jumper has been a little inconsistent since he hurt his ankle, but he said in the postgame that his ankle finally felt good and he wasn't lying.  And getting 6 days to let it heal even more is great news for us Mount fans.  He's such a difference maker and every tick he gets closer to 100% is huge.

One last thought...you know it's win or go home time when you look at the minutes in the box score.  Other than Friga (27 min) the only other subs that played were Hill (limited to 6 min w 4 fouls) and Painter (4 min to give Bower-Malone a breather).  Carroll logged 33 min which I'm sure is his most of the season and responded with 9 pts and 13 reb.

I don't want this season to end because this team is just so much fun to watch.

   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 08, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
I thought that Carroll's play was a key to the win.  Sure the big night from Bower-Malone was something, and the night before from Gurley was amazing, but against York's physical presence Carroll was terrific.
Hill got a couple ridiculous calls against him, especially when physical play was the name of the game, and it took him right out of the game.  Driving layup collisions resulted in no calls and rarely was contact or holding called.  Was a very rough game, which suited York for the most part.  I was glad to see that Mount adapted and did not back down.  This was as physical a contest as I have seen all year, and I saw every game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 11, 2020, 11:38:11 AM
Mount Union has announced a restricted attendance rule for the Wittenberg game, Friday.  Go to Mount Union Athletics website for details.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on March 11, 2020, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on March 11, 2020, 11:38:11 AM
Mount Union has announced a restricted attendance rule for the Wittenberg game, Friday.  Go to Mount Union Athletics website for details.

Mount Union and Wittenberg will play Friday evening before a restricted crowd limited to "institutional personnel, student-athlete family members, credentialed media, radio crews, and official team party members."

There will not be a public sale.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 12, 2020, 04:39:41 PM
Mark Emmert announced that all NCAA winter and spring championships are cancelled.  What a shame for this extraordinary group of seniors.  As a fan I'm upset.  I can't imagine the heartbreak in that locker room that their season is over. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on March 12, 2020, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 12, 2020, 04:39:41 PM
Mark Emmert announced that all NCAA winter and spring championships are cancelled.  What a shame for this extraordinary group of seniors.  As a fan I'm upset.  I can't imagine the heartbreak in that locker room that their season is over.
I feel for the Mount team. They had a great season, and I think a good chance to win it all
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 13, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
What a true shame.  I feel for all athletes who practiced and trained for their seasons, especially the seniors.  Would the NCAA ever offer an extra year of eligibility to spring sport athletes?  Very doubtful. I feel terrible for Coach Fuline and the Purple Raider Men's basketball team.  I really thought they were headed to the final four, at least. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 13, 2020, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on March 13, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
What a true shame.  I feel for all athletes who practiced and trained for their seasons, especially the seniors.  Would the NCAA ever offer an extra year of eligibility to spring sport athletes?  Very doubtful. I feel terrible for Coach Fuline and the Purple Raider Men's basketball team.  I really thought they were headed to the final four, at least.

There are coaches pushing for a extra eligibility for winter athletes.  I think there's a strong chance the spring athletes get it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2020, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 13, 2020, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on March 13, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
What a true shame.  I feel for all athletes who practiced and trained for their seasons, especially the seniors.  Would the NCAA ever offer an extra year of eligibility to spring sport athletes?  Very doubtful. I feel terrible for Coach Fuline and the Purple Raider Men's basketball team.  I really thought they were headed to the final four, at least.

There are coaches pushing for a extra eligibility for winter athletes.  I think there's a strong chance the spring athletes get it.

I don't see it for the winter athletes as it has been too far into the season.  However, I could see if for the spring athletes as mentioned IF the NCAA would ever consider it, although I am doubtful that would happen.  Yet, sometimes, we certainly are surprised by the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2020, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 13, 2020, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 13, 2020, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on March 13, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
What a true shame.  I feel for all athletes who practiced and trained for their seasons, especially the seniors.  Would the NCAA ever offer an extra year of eligibility to spring sport athletes?  Very doubtful. I feel terrible for Coach Fuline and the Purple Raider Men's basketball team.  I really thought they were headed to the final four, at least.

There are coaches pushing for a extra eligibility for winter athletes.  I think there's a strong chance the spring athletes get it.

However, I could see if for the spring athletes as mentioned IF the NCAA would ever consider it, although I am doubtful that would happen.  Yet, sometimes, we certainly are surprised by the NCAA.

It's already been done.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 13, 2020, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2020, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on March 13, 2020, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 13, 2020, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: raiderpa on March 13, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
What a true shame.  I feel for all athletes who practiced and trained for their seasons, especially the seniors.  Would the NCAA ever offer an extra year of eligibility to spring sport athletes?  Very doubtful. I feel terrible for Coach Fuline and the Purple Raider Men's basketball team.  I really thought they were headed to the final four, at least.

There are coaches pushing for a extra eligibility for winter athletes.  I think there's a strong chance the spring athletes get it.

However, I could see if for the spring athletes as mentioned IF the NCAA would ever consider it, although I am doubtful that would happen.  Yet, sometimes, we certainly are surprised by the NCAA.

It's already been done.

Well then, that is good. And as I said, sometimes the NCAA does surprise some of us.🙂 Thanks for the info/update, Pat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 14, 2020, 09:14:57 AM
I read on one news site that the NCAA may allow Conference Tournaments to resume in a week.  Is this fake?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 14, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on March 14, 2020, 09:14:57 AM
I read on one news site that the NCAA may allow Conference Tournaments to resume in a week.  Is this fake?

NCAA doesn't decide what conferences and schools do ... they only decided that the spring championships (along with the ongoing winter ones) would not take place.

If schools feel it is okay to resume athletics and such and conferences decide to hold championships, they are welcome to do so. Unfortunately, they simply won't compete in NCAA championships.

Division III also announced that all spring athletes will get a year of eligibility 'back,' per se, for this spring season AND this semester won't count towards academic eligibility standards for spring sports athletes. That is even if teams restart later in the semester. With no national championship to play for and the fact most teams won't come close to any kind of substantial games played, it is a blanket ruling.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 21, 2020, 09:08:05 PM
Congratulations to Devontae Friga, Mount Union guard.  He reports that he has three offers to play professional basketball.  Two in Australia and one in Spain. 
I imagine Nathan Bower-Malone may also get a offer or two of this nature.  There are quite a few DIII players who have played successfully in both Europe and Australia.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 05, 2020, 01:22:53 PM
According to his twitter account (and the Canton Rep) GlenOak's Christian Parker is going to Mount.  This is a big get for Fuline and a continuation of his ability to bring in high level talent.  Parker was being recruited by both the local D2 programs so landing him over a quality D2 like Walsh is a big win. 

Parker's list of accolades is impressive:  Federal League POY, District POY, 2nd team All-Ohio in D1.  He's a 6'5" forward who averaged 18.6 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2 bpg, 2 apg while shooting 54% from the field and 35% from 3.  I'm excited because this is a kid that's going to play right away and help.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on April 16, 2020, 08:55:39 AM
Just curious . . . what does a typical OAC coach get paid?  $75K/$80K?  WHo is the highest paid - Vanderwaal down at Etta?  What do you think he makes?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 16, 2020, 09:37:14 AM

You can check coach salaries for public schools; it's very tough to get info from privates.  Plus, a lot of coaches are doing camps over the summer that brings in extra income, as well (although a lot of those at the d3 level really are more for assistants to earn some extra cash than the HC).  I don't have inside information on the OAC, but I suspect some are definitely making less than your estimate there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 16, 2020, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on April 16, 2020, 08:55:39 AM
Just curious . . . what does a typical OAC coach get paid?  $75K/$80K?  WHo is the highest paid - Vanderwaal down at Etta?  What do you think he makes?

I would have guessed more like $50-60k with the highest paid being closer to 65-70k maybe.  Total guess though.  I have no inside info.  I just know that a few years ago there were still OAC head baseball coaches making under $40k.  The other thing most of the coaches do is teach a course or two so that'd throw a few grand more at them.  I agree with Ryan Scott too.  The camp money is more for the assistants who make little for their coaching pay.  That's why Mount has supplemented assistant coaches in the past by providing free housing, free meal plan, etc.  Those guys log tons of hours for very little pay. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 16, 2020, 03:06:46 PM
Some more good recruiting news out of the EBC the last couple of days.  Carrollton's Adam Chaney and Marlington's Andrew Pucci are both going to Mount.  They're 6'4" and 6'3" guards, respectively.  It's a continuation of Fuline's strategy of recruiting long, athletic kids that are versatile.  The game at BW the BW radio guy mentioned that Mount just comes at you in waves with athletes and it's hard to keep pace for 40 minutes.  The 3 local kids coming are restocking that depth.

Chaney:  17.6 ppg, 9 rpg 3.6 apg. Conference POY, All-Ohio x 2 in DII.

Pucci:  3 sport kid.  Lead the county in scoring at 20.2 ppg.  Added 7 rpg, 3.3 apg, 2.1 bpg, 2.1 spg.  District Co-POY.  Also 1st team All-Conference and 2nd team All-District as a WR in football.  Considered going to Malone to play baseball.   

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on April 16, 2020, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on April 16, 2020, 03:06:46 PM
Some more good recruiting news out of the EBC the last couple of days.  Carrollton's Adam Chaney and Marlington's Andrew Pucci are both going to Mount.  They're 6'4" and 6'3" guards, respectively.  It's a continuation of Fuline's strategy of recruiting long, athletic kids that are versatile.  The game at BW the BW radio guy mentioned that Mount just comes at you in waves with athletes and it's hard to keep pace for 40 minutes.  The 3 local kids coming are restocking that depth.

Chaney:  17.6 ppg, 9 rpg 3.6 apg. Conference POY, All-Ohio x 2 in DII.

Pucci:  3 sport kid.  Lead the county in scoring at 20.2 ppg.  Added 7 rpg, 3.3 apg, 2.1 bpg, 2.1 spg.  District Co-POY.  Also 1st team All-Conference and 2nd team All-District as a WR in football.  Considered going to Malone to play baseball.

Mount Union and Marietta have both had fantastic recruiting classes this year. The rich get richer.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 18, 2020, 07:16:09 PM
You said it! 

I totally missed this too.  All-NCAC OWU wing Ethan Stanislawski is transferring to Mount.  He was 2nd team All-NCAC as a freshman and sophomore.  He was also D3.com GL region Newcomer of the yr.  The connection as usual is that Ethan is a product of Fuline's former program at Jackson HS.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on June 18, 2020, 04:41:20 PM
As reported on Twitter earlier this week, 1st Team All-OAC and D3hoops 1st Team All-Great Lakes Marcus Dempsey will transfer from Muskingum to John Carroll this fall. He sat out his Jr. year with an injury and has a year left of eligibility. He will be working on his MBA at John Carroll.

This is a high impact transfer and it will be interesting to see how Dempsey fits into the scheme in University Heights with a lot more weapons around him than he had at Muskingum.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 23, 2020, 11:20:16 AM
Quote from: Fifth and Putnam on June 18, 2020, 04:41:20 PM
As reported on Twitter earlier this week, 1st Team All-OAC and D3hoops 1st Team All-Great Lakes Marcus Dempsey will transfer from Muskingum to John Carroll this fall. He sat out his Jr. year with an injury and has a year left of eligibility. He will be working on his MBA at John Carroll.

This is a high impact transfer and it will be interesting to see how Dempsey fits into the scheme in University Heights with a lot more weapons around him than he had at Muskingum.

This will definitely be interesting to see how he gels.  He's used to having the ball in his hands (and leaving his hand headed for the hoop) pretty much all the time.  He'll get shots at JCU, but it's going to be a substantially reduced number I'd guess.  Regardless, adding someone with his offensive skill to your roster is never a bad thing.  He can flat out fill it up as he's proven for years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 23, 2020, 05:28:22 PM
To the John Carroll family ... my thoughts are with you all. The department has a good one in Chris Wenzler. They know that. While I am optimistic for a miracle, I also know the reality of things.

Chris is one of the good guys ... and cancer f---king sucks: https://www.facebook.com/christopher.wenzler/posts/10101001638415771
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Fifth and Putnam on June 23, 2020, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 23, 2020, 05:28:22 PM
To the John Carroll family ... my thoughts are with you all. The department has a good one in Chris Wenzler. They know that. While I am optimistic for a miracle, I also know the reality of things.

Chris is one of the good guys ... and cancer f---king sucks: https://www.facebook.com/christopher.wenzler/posts/10101001638415771

:'( Thoughts and prayers for a miracle and comfort for him, his family, and the John Carroll community.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 24, 2020, 09:43:25 AM
Sadly, Chris passed away.  The outpouring from the JCU community as well as the SID family gives us a glimpse into the person he was.  Prayers for his family and many friends.  RIP Chris.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 11, 2021, 03:19:11 PM
I was just looking to see when OAC hoops was starting (a week from Friday...1/22) and noticed the format of the schedule.  Home and away on back to back days.  Obviously I'm sure this is for COVID reasons, but man that's going to make it very interesting.  You drop one you shouldn't and the pressure is on big time having to bounce back the next day and get the win.  No time to regroup and address what you did wrong in practices.  It'll definitely be different.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2021, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 11, 2021, 03:19:11 PM
I was just looking to see when OAC hoops was starting (a week from Friday...1/22) and noticed the format of the schedule.  Home and away on back to back days.  Obviously I'm sure this is for COVID reasons, but man that's going to make it very interesting.  You drop one you shouldn't and the pressure is on big time having to bounce back the next day and get the win.  No time to regroup and address what you did wrong in practices.  It'll definitely be different.

A number of conferences are scheduling this way because it means you only have to test once.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
Doing some homework ahead of tomorrow's opener.  Mount is going to be good this year, but next year they're set up to make another deep run IMO.  They're not going to lose any guys that log significant minutes off of this year's team unless Hill is graduating in May and wants to punt on his last year of eligibility (he red shirted at Toledo).  As a hoops fan in general I can't praise Fuline enough for making Mount a can't miss team during basketball season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2021, 06:40:19 PM

I did discover today that Marcus Dempsey never enrolled at JCU.  I'm working to track down his plans, but that transfer, at least for this year, isn't going to be one the league has to worry about.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2021, 06:40:19 PM

I did discover today that Marcus Dempsey never enrolled at JCU.  I'm working to track down his plans, but that transfer, at least for this year, isn't going to be one the league has to worry about.

That's interesting.  I believe he'd have to sit out this year anyway.  OAC rules require transfers within the conference to sit out a year.  Or at least they used to.  Maybe things changed with COVID.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2021, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2021, 06:40:19 PM

I did discover today that Marcus Dempsey never enrolled at JCU.  I'm working to track down his plans, but that transfer, at least for this year, isn't going to be one the league has to worry about.

That's interesting.  I believe he'd have to sit out this year anyway.  OAC rules require transfers within the conference to sit out a year.  Or at least they used to.  Maybe things changed with COVID.

Would it be different if he got his bachelor's from Musky and was a grad transfer?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2021, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2021, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 21, 2021, 06:40:19 PM

I did discover today that Marcus Dempsey never enrolled at JCU.  I'm working to track down his plans, but that transfer, at least for this year, isn't going to be one the league has to worry about.

That's interesting.  I believe he'd have to sit out this year anyway.  OAC rules require transfers within the conference to sit out a year.  Or at least they used to.  Maybe things changed with COVID.

Would it be different if he got his bachelor's from Musky and was a grad transfer?

He would have been able to play right away as a grad transfer.  I do know that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 23, 2021, 10:12:27 AM
The most interesting result from opening night in the OAC had to be Berg beating JCU handily.  Berg was scrappy last year, but I did not see that one coming.  Unfortunately, Etta vs. Ott was postponed.  At least one of the women's match ups was postponed as well.

Mount picked up where they left off in 2020 pummeling BW in Berea 109-82.  As with most Mount fans, there is very little I enjoy more than beating BW in anything so this was a nice start to the season.  This one was over before half with Mount up 59-38 at the break.  Gurley scored 26 in the first half and only played 3 minutes in the second half.  According to the Canton paper he tweaked his hammy so hopefully just a precaution to sit him down.  Stanislawski had a nice debut at PG posting an efficient 16 pts on 6-9 shooting along with 6 assists.  Poole did his typical thing just hustling and doing a little of everything, but a change from last year was him being more assertive on offense (16 shot attempts).  He had a very good game (17 pts, 9 reb, 4 stl, 3 ast, 3 blk).  Congrats to freshmen Parker (12) and Chaney (10) who both recorded their first double figure nights in college.  Parker had 7 boards to go with his 12 points in 14 minutes of action.  Chaney was an efficient 4-5 from the floor.   

One thing that didn't dawn on me until I looked at the box score was that Caywood did not play.  It should have when Parker subbed in for Hill.  Hopefully Mario is not hurt because he's a big body that's played meaningful minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 25, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
I watched the entirety of Mount's 89-80 win over BW Saturday.  It was definitely not as crisp as the first game, especially the first half (BW was up 35-34 at half).  Mount went 5-24 from 3.  Gurley struggled with his perimeter shot, but his only made 3 ball was a big one down the stretch.  Hill was more assertive and played well around the rim (10 pts on 4-6 FG).  The hero of the night was Poole as he put up a career high 24 points along with 14 boards.  Painter played well (15 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast).

I thought BW had some nice pieces, namely Mazzeo.  That kid can score.  He's not afraid to go to the rim and he can finish, get fouled and knock them down or both if you're unlucky.  I also liked Zalba.  He was very efficient and made some key shots for them.

Some way too early observations on Mount:

Game 1 was over before half.  This game was more competitive and it was interesting that in this game Fuline basically played 7 guys (Newsom and Parker off the bench).  Newsom didn't play a ton last year, but he played crunch time minutes in the second half Saturday.  I liked his defensive effort.

Gurley has the capability of exploding for huge numbers any night.  That's well known.  But what I've liked early on is that Stanislawski and Poole have been consistent scoring and smart with shot selection.  Stanislawski missed some 3's and simply adjusted and used more pump fakes to get mid range shots that he made.  He's just very competent.  Poole has always been smart about taking what's there, but he's doing so with more assertiveness this year.  He's their X factor.

Parker is going to be a headache for the rest of the OAC the next 4 years.  He doesn't look like a freshman out there.  Probably why Fuline trusts him to be the first sub in already.  Uses his frame well to get position and has nice skill and touch around the basket.  He has a nice stroke on his jumper and rebounds well.  At 6'6" when he bulks up a little he's going to be a stud at this level.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 25, 2021, 04:39:45 PM
Son of a gun...just saw that the JCU/Mount games this coming weekend are already canceled due to COVID issues at JCU.  The Streaks also lost out on their 2nd game against Berg this past weekend.  Not a good start to the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2021, 05:01:09 PM
This is what it is going to be like, unfortunately.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 25, 2021, 05:12:28 PM
Sadly true, Pat.  It certainly makes me worry about baseball and football being played in the spring too.  My only hope is outdoor versus indoor and larger rosters in those sports, but man if someone tests positive on your team I'm sure it's just so difficult with the contact tracing protocols.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 29, 2021, 04:09:46 PM
Looking at tonight/tomorrow and what's still on, at best 2 of the 10 OAC teams will have played their scheduled 4 games after tomorrow.  Ott will have played none.  I feel so bad for these kids. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 30, 2021, 06:35:53 PM
It was good to see the OAC use one of the advantages of D3 vs. D1...being able to adjust quickly.  Because there are no major travel requirements or TV to worry about, Mount and ONU were able to play each other this afternoon since both had their original games postponed.  You two are both healthy, but ppd?  Play each other.  It's a good sign because it seems that everyone is going to have to be flexible to get these games in.

As far as the game itself, Mount (3-0) handled ONU (2-1) 94-72.  Mount was up 18 at half, but ONU played well in the 2nd half.  Mount didn't mass sub or anything, ONU just played better after the break.  I liked Napier last year and he still looks good for ONU.  He's a really nice player.  19 and 10 today and very efficient shooting.  All 5 Mount starters were in double figures.  Gurley led Mount with 24, 9 reb, 4 ast.  Poole put up another double double (15 and 10 w/ 5 blocks).  And Hill had 13 and 7 on 6-7 shooting.

For the season, the most interesting stat I saw is that Stanislawski has 18 assists and 1 turnover so far.  That's a testament to how smart and under control he is in the backcourt.  Crazy.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:46:44 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on February 05, 2021, 07:59:21 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:46:44 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate

Another great Mount Union team with nowhere to go. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 06, 2021, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: rscl70 on February 05, 2021, 07:59:21 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:46:44 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate

Another great Mount Union team with nowhere to go. >:(

It's bad news for them.  They had a very legitimate shot to win it all last year and never got to find out.  That team was good enough to get it done and riding a 19 game win streak into the sweet 16.  This year isn't on that level at the moment IMO, but they're very good and would have made another run in the tournament this year.  The thing that really bums me out is that this season is the ramp up for next season when they are going to be absolutely loaded.  Unless Logan Hill graduates and does not return for his last year of eligibility they will return their entire starting 5 plus their first 4 off the bench.  Some additional high pressure games in the tournament this year would have helped them build to hopefully a national title shot next year.  The silver lining is nobody is playing tournament games so they're all on level footing I suppose.

As an aside, they did win their 23rd straight game last night 89-72 at Ott.  Anyone not watching their games should check it out.  They can light up the scoreboard in a hurry.  It's a fun style of basketball to watch.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 10, 2021, 11:24:03 AM
Fingers crossed we get both games of the Berg/Mount match up this weekend.  Both teams are 5-0 and Berg handed Mount their only loss in OAC play last year 68-67 in Tiffin.  I went back and looked and had Mount pulled that one out they would be riding a 31 game win streak currently with their last loss being in November of 2020.  These are the games we have to get excited for since there is no tournament to look forward to.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2021, 04:19:35 PM
One way or another I will take the blame for Berg beating Mount in OT last night.  I either jinxed them with my previous post about the win streak or because it was the first game I didn't watch.  This one is on me.  I'll watch tonight so they should bounce back.  Woods dropped 38 on 15-22 shooting for Berg.  Painter was out again so that didn't help.  I'm guessing he would have spent a fair amount of time defending Woods.  Poole returned and put up his usual ho hum double double (20 and 12).  He's averaging 19, 11 and 3.5 blocks per game so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2021, 11:05:51 AM
Mount survived a less-than-stellar 2nd half in Tiffin that saw Berg take the lead after Mount led 46-28 at half.  Final was 67-61.  Berg came right out of the locker room and went on a run.  Definitely a different level of urgency for the two teams early in the 2nd half.  Credit to Berg for that.  They came out on a mission.  Zero quit.  My take on Berg is Woods is a really nice player.  Very smooth.  They don't look overly offensively talented beyond him, but man do they defend.  They have some good athletes and they are engaged defensively.  It bothered Mount on the perimeter for stretches.  This Berg team reminds me of a good Wilm team historically. 

The top 3 are kind of pulling away:

Mount 6-1
Berg 6-1
Etta 5-1

No one else is even .500 at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 17, 2021, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2021, 11:05:51 AM
Mount survived a less-than-stellar 2nd half in Tiffin that saw Berg take the lead after Mount led 46-28 at half.  Final was 67-61.  Berg came right out of the locker room and went on a run.  Definitely a different level of urgency for the two teams early in the 2nd half.  Credit to Berg for that.  They came out on a mission.  Zero quit.  My take on Berg is Woods is a really nice player.  Very smooth.  They don't look overly offensively talented beyond him, but man do they defend.  They have some good athletes and they are engaged defensively.  It bothered Mount on the perimeter for stretches.  This Berg team reminds me of a good Wilm team historically. 

The top 3 are kind of pulling away:

Mount 6-1
Berg 6-1
Etta 5-1

No one else is even .500 at the moment.
Who knows? We might be if we could get a game played lol!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on February 20, 2021, 07:51:12 AM
I was impressed by Marietta last night.  Very physical, they look like a football team converted to basketball.

Should be a good one tonight. Let's see if the Raiders can bounce back.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 21, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
Quote from: rscl70 on February 20, 2021, 07:51:12 AM
I was impressed by Marietta last night.  Very physical, they look like a football team converted to basketball.

Should be a good one tonight. Let's see if the Raiders can bounce back.

Just a tough stretch for Mount.  Berg and Etta are both good teams (Etta is clearly the better of the two IMO), but dropping 3 of 4 is certainly not ideal.  The one thing differentiating last year and this year is the consistency.  When you had Bower-Malone, Friga and Gurley you knew at least one of those guys was going to be hot each night.  Mount still scores a ton, but they also can go hot and cold for stretches this year.  Last year that just seemed to rarely happen because someone was seemingly always hot and being fed the ball.  The tournament was the perfect microcosm.  Gurley is unconscious drilling everything then the very next game Bower-Malone sets the single game scoring record because he's on fire. 

On a positive side, Poole has really developed into a good all around player.  He's having a 1st team All-OAC season.  He just does everything well.  If he puts on even more bulk and keeps progressing with his game he's going to be scary next year. 

Also, Gurley is creeping up on 1,000 points at 954.  He's going to hit that milestone in the next few games.  As a junior he is going to almost certainly finish in the top 5 career scoring leaders barring injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2021, 03:15:08 PM
Barring injury for sure -- the way his game ended on Saturday didn't look promising.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 03, 2021, 04:49:20 PM
First off, congrats to Collen Gurley on 1,000 career points.  I believe they said his is the 34th player to reach that milestone.  And with another year to go he is going to end up near the top of the career scoring list.

As for the game?  Definitely not the ending Mount was looking for.  Dropped their OAC quarters game at home last night to a 4-8 Musky team they beat by 32 on Saturday.  I watched most of it and they just played a really bad game at a bad time.  They looked flat for long stretches.  Even the student announcers were pointing out that Musky was just playing harder than Mount.  Their defense was atrocious giving up way too many easy looks and lay ups.  The Fish shot a hair under 60% from the floor which pretty much sums that up.  And with all due respect to Musky, if that team shoots like that and hangs almost 90 on you that's on you.  Marcus Dempsey isn't out there.  Offensively Mount barely shot 40% and was 15-25 from the line.  They looked disjointed for most of the game and when they got good looks they just weren't making them.  It was a recipe for disaster and they got it.

Wilm upset Berg in another quarter so Etta should pretty much coast to the title.

As for next season Mount returns everyone.  Logan Hill did not participate in Senior Day because he is returning according to the WRMU crew.  Parker and Chaney are going to be factors next season as sophomores based on their play this year.  Another year in the weight room could make Parker scary in the post.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have been really impressed with Poole's development into a complete player.  Painter continues to develop too.  And the final guy that came out of nowhere (to me) to be a nice contributor on both ends was Newsom.  He's kind of Swiss Army knife out there able to do a bunch of things to help win.  They'll have a lot of depth and a lot of experience next year.  Should be a fun season.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on April 03, 2021, 07:52:26 AM
In somewhat of an oddity in the OAC, Colleen Gurley announced he's transferring up to D1 Youngstown St.  He has 2 yrs of eligibility.  I'm going to miss him, but it's a testament to the quality of players Fuline recruits and how hard Gurley has worked to develop his skills.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 13, 2021, 08:47:02 PM
1st team All-District/All-Federal League PG Mike Skeriotis committed to Mount.  Fuline loves those Jackson HS kids.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 20, 2021, 09:29:53 AM
Preseason top 25 is out.  The voters think Etta is the heavy favorite in the OAC and I'm sure we'd all agree with that thought.  Etta (#3), Mount (#21) and Berg (ORV) are the OAC schools showing up in the poll off the bat. 

On a Mount note, as I assumed big man Logan Hill is back despite being listed as a senior last year.  Aside from COVID relief, he also red shirted his first year at Toledo so he was a junior athletically anyway.  I hoped he'd be back as his athleticism in the post is important for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 04, 2021, 11:10:57 AM
OAC preseason coaches poll is out.  It should be noted that if this poll is consistent with other OAC coaches polls a HC cannot vote for his own team so Mount's 1 first place vote came from Vanderwal I presume.  Good to see Berg get some love.  I thought they had a very solid squad the last couple seasons too.

1.  Etta (9)
2.  Mount (1)
3.  Berg
4.  JCU
5.  ONU
6.  BW/Cap
8.  Wilm
9.  Ott/Musky
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on November 20, 2021, 05:32:39 PM
I have not seen Collen Gurley's name in a YSU box score as of yet.  Is this a transfer decision that may now be regretted, or is there an injury that is not visble to the circumstance?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 30, 2021, 01:43:03 PM
He definitely has not played in their first 5 games.  I'm not sure of the reason.

His old team in Alliance jumped up 9 spots to #12 in the new top 25.  Etta dropped from #3 to #13 after a pair of losses so far.  Both losses are to top 10 teams including and 8 point loss to #3 Randolph Macon so I wouldn't read anything into their ranking currently.  They'll be moving back up shortly.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 05, 2021, 07:06:15 PM
Berg has something cooking in Tiffin.  They put a 19 pt loss on Mount in Alliance yesterday after going to Berea and blowing BW's doors off by 30+.  Berg is 6-1 and clearly making a push to be Etta's biggest competitor so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 09, 2021, 09:53:28 AM
Berg notched a nice 72-67 road win at #16 Trine last night.  At 7-1 with two wins over current top 20 teams I'd think Berg would be making an appearance in next week's top 25. 

Mount (6-1) bounced back picking up a big road win at JCU 93-83.  UH is always a tough place to win so that's a good W to nail down early on.  Newsom shot a blistering 11-14 from the floor putting up 29.  Poole stuffed the stat sheet with 18 pts, 9 reb, 7 stl, 4 ast, 3 blk.  Mount dodged your biggest fear playing JCU...Sartain was fortunately limited to 6-19 shooting by the Mount D.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2021, 06:22:55 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 17, 2021, 05:07:23 PM
Had the first half of the Mount game at Wilm on at the office this afternoon.  That one was over early on with Mount pushing it out to nearly a 30 point lead midway thru the 1st half.  The Quakers had no answer for Parker inside or Stanislawski outside.  Wilm evidently played much better in the 2nd half and battled back to an 89-71 final.  I'm assuming Fuline was subbing liberally.  Mount is 8-1, 3-1 now.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 18, 2021, 08:47:14 PM
2 of the 3 OAC games today were forfeits Bc of Covid.  This sucks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 28, 2021, 11:06:39 AM
Covid issues continue...Geneva was forced to pull out of the Mount Union event this week and BW has already scrapped their game at Mount on Jan. 5.  From what I read the official OAC policy is that the game is declared a no contest, but it counts as a Mount win and BW loss in the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on December 28, 2021, 06:01:26 PM
Marietta defeated Chicago, 78-65, in Las Vegas this afternoon.  Marietta led throughout the contest, and led by as much as 20 points in the second half.  The Pioneers only made 8 of 17 from the foul line, but when the defense of the Pioneers forces Chicago to commit 20 turnovers which got converted to 22 Marietta points, Marietta did not need their best game today to win this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 03, 2022, 12:24:24 PM
Just browsing the current Massey ratings and the OAC has 3 teams in the top 10 nationally at the moment.  Mount (#6), Marietta (#8) and Heidelberg (#10).  Otterbein is checking in at a very respectable #64 also thanks to their solid start.  It's great to see the Cards back in the mix.  They were down for far too long.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 08, 2022, 11:14:48 AM
Mount got the jump on the weekend games and hosted Cap last night.  Raiders are now 11-1 after the 72-45 win.  I watched some of it, but it wasn't really in question from pretty early on so I was in and out.  Parker had 26 and 13 boards.  He's put up 20+ in 5 of the last 6 games (exception being the JCU game where he only played 12 minutes before fouling out).  Incredibly he is still shooting north of 70% from the floor and understandably leading the OAC in that stat.

Next up is Etta next week.  That will be a big challenge to put it kindly.  I'm also eagerly awaiting the Etta/Berg face off.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on January 12, 2022, 08:41:03 PM
Mount could not buy a basket in the second half.  Much credit to the Pio defense.  This Marrietta team is for real.  Looking forward to Feb. 9 rematch.  Things could be a little different in Alliance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 13, 2022, 01:10:38 PM
Yeah, it's not gonna go well when you shoot 28% against a team as good as Etta.  That's how 22-1 runs happen evidently.  The other thing the Pios did a great job of was taking care of the ball.  Only 5 TO last night.

p.s. I have to say that when watching OAC hoops online Ban Johnson is my favorite venue to watch games.  I like the way it looks with the seating/fans standing up above plus it seems like it's very well lit.  Sometimes I feel like the MAAC looks slightly dark on the video feed?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 27, 2022, 09:28:11 AM
I watched the Mount wins at Berg and then again last night hosting JCU.  When they lock in defensively they're really tough.  They put the clamps on Berg from the tip and that game was over at half (42-20).  Another enjoyable thing has been the emergence of Keller off the bench.  It seems normally with Fuline his bench depth is his best young kids with this year's example being freshman backup PG Skeriotis who gets solid minutes every game off the bench.  Keller is a junior though so I'm happy to see he's kept working and he's giving them solid production off the bench lately.

Also, Parker is such a skilled finisher anywhere near the paint it's almost unfair.  He had 28 and 11 last night on 10-15 shooting.  He's averaging 19 ppg now so his next two seasons could be scary as he continues to get stronger and refine his skill set.  I found myself thinking last night "Man, if he works his way to being a 75% FT shooter he could score 25 a game next yr."
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on January 29, 2022, 05:56:19 PM
A nice Purple Raider win over ONU moments ago ... 4th win in eight (8) days.
Skeriotis couldn't miss ... high point man off the bench for UMU with 21.
I enjoy watching this team ... too many names too mention.
Would love to have Collen Gurley back in Purple & White for his senior year, but wonder what current team players would not be having their chance to shine in filling the void.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 31, 2022, 05:54:23 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on January 29, 2022, 05:56:19 PM
A nice Purple Raider win over ONU moments ago ... 4th win in eight (8) days.
Skeriotis couldn't miss ... high point man off the bench for UMU with 21.
I enjoy watching this team ... too many names too mention.
Would love to have Collen Gurley back in Purple & White for his senior year, but wonder what current team players would not be having their chance to shine in filling the void.

Skeriotis deserves a lot of credit because he basically blew that game open single handedly knocking down 3's in quick succession to open up a comfortable lead in the first half.  I think he's shown good maturity all year not trying to do too much.  He's very under control.  He isn't afraid to shoot it, but he also isn't forcing anything.  At 42% he's the 2nd best 3 pt shooter on the team so I'm sure Fuline wouldn't mind him triggering a few more. 

I think if Gurley was still around it would be costing Skeriotis minutes most of all.  Because if CG was in Alliance he's playing 30 min a game and so is Stanislawski so that eats up a ton of your backcourt minutes.  Painter would still be playing a lot in the backcourt too which would leave Skeriotis out of luck.

The other thing to mention is that Chaney hasn't played in a about a month.  I assume he is injured and hopefully healing up.  That's another 6'5" wing that gives them even more depth and versatility when he is healthy.

Sitting at 16-2 with their only losses being Etta and Berg I don't think you could ask for more at this point.  They're taking care of business.  I'm sure they'd like a do over on the Berg loss at home, but it happens in the OAC.  Grinding out a split against Etta would be big for their confidence.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 03, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Congrats to Mount soph Christian Parker on being named D3 national Player of the Week averaging 24 ppg and 10.3 rpg on 68% shooting. 

He started this week off strong going 13-18 from the floor putting up 27, 9 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk last night in the 94-71 W at BW.  Mount had it put to bed at half heading to the locker room up 56-30.  They shot over 70% from the floor in the 1st half and 60% for the game.  Painter had a great night with 18 pts on 6-8 shooting (4-5 from deep), 6 boards and a team high 5 dimes. 

The thing that gives this team juice is that they have multiple guys that can carry them scoring for stretches or even an entire game.  Parker has been so consistent, but Stanislawski, Painter, Poole, Newsom can all score in bunches too.  Like BillyRayJimBob said, this team is fun to watch.  They want to defend and push the pace.  Fuline recruits good players and then lets them play.  It's made Mount hoops appointment viewing for me. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 07, 2022, 09:09:35 AM
Etta and Mount both held serve Saturday to set up in all reality the last hurdle between Etta and the OAC crown this week in Alliance.  At 18-2, 13-0 the Pioneers are 2 games up on Mount and Berg (both 11-2).  JCU had the lead on Etta midway through the 2nd half Saturday, but I'm still convinced the only (slim) chance here is Mount and Berg both beating Etta to split and create a 3 way tie in which all 3 teams split with each other.  Based on how the Pios are playing right now I'd say odds are heavily in favor of the BanJo hosting the OAC tourney.  Fingers crossed though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on February 09, 2022, 07:45:27 AM
It seems to me that the Raiders have been playing much better since the loss at Marietta. I may be living in fantasy land, but I think Mount wins tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 09, 2022, 09:04:56 AM
I agree they have been playing better since the 2nd half melt down in Marietta.  They certainly have a chance, but even with a win they're still a game back of Etta.  They'd need Berg to do their part too.  And even then I don't know what the tie breakers are when you have a way tie and everyone split. 

With Etta up to #2 and Mount at #10 my guess is there will be a large and vocal student section at the MAAC tonight.  Hopefully that gives the Raiders a little extra juice.  A win over the #2 team would certainly be a nice headline on an at-large resume if needed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on February 09, 2022, 07:43:15 PM
Fantasy land indeed.

Mount looks totally out classed and desperate.  I don't know what's worse, Mount's play or the quality of the video stream.

Here's hoping for a better second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on February 09, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: rscl70 on February 09, 2022, 07:43:15 PM
Fantasy land indeed.

Mount looks totally out classed and desperate.  I don't know what's worse, Mount's play or the quality of the video stream.

Here's hoping for a better second half.

Pios left no doubt!  Mount will see them again in the tournament; the result will be the same.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 10, 2022, 01:38:48 PM
Woof.  That one was over early on in Alliance.  About the only positive was that they had a great turnout with 1200 in attendance.  Not much to say other than Etta had proven convincingly that they are a tier above Mount and the rest of the OAC this year.  Mount will win 20+ games and should finish 15-3 in conference which is nothing to take for granted in the OAC.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 13, 2022, 11:56:35 AM
Etta clinched the OAC regular season yesterday with their drubbing of Wilm.  Well deserved for this excellent Pios squad.

Mount got back on track with a 74-65 win at Cap.  Parker continues to make a case to be OAC POY as he was dominant with a career high 29 pts and 14 boards.  Poole put up his own double double (16 and 10).  The bad news is Stanislawski left the game 4 minutes in and didn't return.  It looked like he may have been hit in the face on a rebound?  It was hard to tell on the video stream.  Hopefully he is okay.

Ott beat Berg and is quietly 16-6, 10-5.  It's good to see the Cards back.  There's no reason that program should have ever been that bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:06:57 PM
After several weeks of midday shows, we are back to our regularly scheduled time of 7:00 PM ET - and we are super-sizing the show tonight to make up for not being able to be on air Thursday AND the craziness that has happened in the last week!

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Today is a day we celebrate those we love and for many of us that includes the student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and programs in Division III.

On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.

Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.

Guests included:

Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb14
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
^^^ Good interview w/ VanderWal.  Learned that Etta leads the nation in asst/TO ratio, fewest TO and TO/game.  Not turning it over and having a pair of guards that shoot around 90% from the line is a good way to win close games come tourney time.  Plus as VanderWal mentioned, he has starters who have played in sweet 16 and elite 8 games in their career.

The most impressive thing I learned though is that is Etta runs the table they'll be the first undefeated OAC champ since I believe Dave said the mid 80's.  That's incredible.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 15, 2022, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
^^^ Good interview w/ VanderWal.  Learned that Etta leads the nation in asst/TO ratio, fewest TO and TO/game.  Not turning it over and having a pair of guards that shoot around 90% from the line is a good way to win close games come tourney time.  Plus as VanderWal mentioned, he has starters who have played in sweet 16 and elite 8 games in their career.

The most impressive thing I learned though is that is Etta runs the table they'll be the first undefeated OAC champ since I believe Dave said the mid 80's.  That's incredible.

1986 Otterbein went 16-0, fun fact Wittenberg was still in the OAC then.

There's only been a handful of unbeatens in the OAC since 1960.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:52:11 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 16, 2022, 09:00:26 AM
I don't claim to understand how the regional rankings are determined, but I am curious how Mount is #4 behind both Wabash and CWRU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 16, 2022, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 16, 2022, 09:00:26 AM
I don't claim to understand how the regional rankings are determined, but I am curious how Mount is #4 behind both Wabash and CWRU.

Mount and Wabash have near identical WP and SOS.  Wabash beat Emory, which is a better regionally ranked win than UMU has.

Case doesn't quite have the same numbers, but they're 5-2 vRRO against 3-3 for UMU, plus they beat WashU.

It's definitely close, but UMU needed a better non conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2022, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: sac on February 15, 2022, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
^^^ Good interview w/ VanderWal.  Learned that Etta leads the nation in asst/TO ratio, fewest TO and TO/game.  Not turning it over and having a pair of guards that shoot around 90% from the line is a good way to win close games come tourney time.  Plus as VanderWal mentioned, he has starters who have played in sweet 16 and elite 8 games in their career.

The most impressive thing I learned though is that is Etta runs the table they'll be the first undefeated OAC champ since I believe Dave said the mid 80's.  That's incredible.

1986 Otterbein went 16-0, fun fact Wittenberg was still in the OAC then.

... and Wittenberg went to the Elite Eight in '85 and the Final Four in '87, so the Tigers were a considerable challenge for Otterbein in '86.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 18, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: sac on February 15, 2022, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
^^^ Good interview w/ VanderWal.  Learned that Etta leads the nation in asst/TO ratio, fewest TO and TO/game.  Not turning it over and having a pair of guards that shoot around 90% from the line is a good way to win close games come tourney time.  Plus as VanderWal mentioned, he has starters who have played in sweet 16 and elite 8 games in their career.

The most impressive thing I learned though is that is Etta runs the table they'll be the first undefeated OAC champ since I believe Dave said the mid 80's.  That's incredible.

1986 Otterbein went 16-0, fun fact Wittenberg was still in the OAC then.

There's only been a handful of unbeatens in the OAC since 1960.

I had to go back and look at Otterbein's 2002 National Championship season, figuring they could have only lost one or two OAC games.  Surprised that all three losses of their 30-3 record were in OAC play.  One of those losses was really ugly at Mount Union (106-59).

I'm going to visit my Mother in Westerville this weekend, so I will have the opportunity to see the Purple Raiders at the Rike Center tomorrow.  First Mount Union basketball game, in person, since the 1970s, me thinks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 19, 2022, 09:58:29 AM
I was in school then.  2002 was a pretty good Mount team.  Todd Richards was a really good player and Richard Jackson was a strong PG running the show.  That team was a late Zips run away from beating Akron at the JAR over Xmas break.  I think they lost by 4(?) ultimately.  It was a really good game.  That being said, Gibbs was an absolute man playing in D3 for Ott.  He was playing for Carmen's Crew in TBT I think this year and he was still abusing guys in the post.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 20, 2022, 10:13:12 PM
Jeff Gibbs was named player of the week this week in his Japanese league playing for Nagasaki.  Avg 12.7 pts and 7 rebs per game at age 42.

Something called the Japan B3 League, his team is 31-3 on the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2022, 08:02:02 AM
Quote from: sac on February 20, 2022, 10:13:12 PM
Jeff Gibbs was named player of the week this week in his Japanese league playing for Nagasaki.  Avg 12.7 pts and 7 rebs per game at age 42.

Something called the Japan B3 League, his team is 31-3 on the season.

Nagasaki is a brand new club, so they have to play their way up from the third division. If the owner is investing to get to the top level (as Gibb's presence would suggest) they'll probably be pretty dominant this year as well as next, in the second division.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2022, 11:06:58 AM
Etta 63, Mount 61.  Congrats to Marietta on running the table both regular season and tourney with their win last night.  That's incredible.  Despite not shooting well at all, Mount jumped out 8-0 and was in this game the entire time.  I don't recall either team being up double digits, but I may be mistaken.  Etta didn't shoot well either so credit should probably be given to the defensive effort on both sides.  I'm sure Mount has a lot of what if's today, but after the first two meetings with the Pios I am proud of their grit.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 27, 2022, 02:34:31 PM
imagine Parker and Gullery...lifetime contract for Fuline
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2022, 11:49:05 AM
Fuline is 80-17 the last 4 years.  If .825 winning % is gonna be the new norm I think we'd be crazy to not want him around as long as he wants to be, right?  At this point watching the Mount hoops games is as much appointment viewing as Mount football is for me.

Last I checked Gurley had not appeared in a game for YSU.  I'd imagine I'm not the only Mount fan wondering "any chance he comes back to Alliance next year?"  Gurley's perimeter scoring with Parker's interior scoring would be tough to stop especially when you add Stanislawski who is also returning.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 01, 2022, 10:48:00 AM
Marietta and Mount will both host the first two rounds.  Berg heads over to IWU to play UW-Lax.  Berg definitely got a tough draw.  Anytime you get a WIAC school round 1 that's rough. 

If Mount advances to the sweet 16 they'll face the winner of the Emory pod which includes Wabash.  If they play like they can Mount has a good shot at making the elite 8.  If they don't shoot well or turn it over a lot they may not leave Alliance though.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 13, 2022, 12:52:01 PM
I watched the Marietta/CNU game last night.  That was one of the best games I've seen in a while.  Just two excellent teams battling back and forth all night in a great atmosphere.  What a performance from Isaly pouring in 31.  And a quiet-by-his-standards Ellis stepping up with under a minute to go drilling the 3 to put the Pios up 5 while the roof almost came off the BanJo was a cool moment for a kid that deserved to go out like that at home.  Good luck to the Pios in the final four.  Go carry the flag for the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 13, 2022, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 13, 2022, 12:52:01 PM
I watched the Marietta/CNU game last night.  That was one of the best games I've seen in a while.  Just two excellent teams battling back and forth all night in a great atmosphere.  What a performance from Isaly pouring in 31.  And a quiet-by-his-standards Ellis stepping up with under a minute to go drilling the 3 to put the Pios up 5 while the roof almost came off the BanJo was a cool moment for a kid that deserved to go out like that at home.  Good luck to the Pios in the final four.  Go carry the flag for the OAC.

That was quite a game to watch, and I was very impressed by the noise and energy generated in Ban Johnson Arena.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 13, 2022, 07:26:55 PM
 Surprised that Marietta didn't foul before CNU got to half court, up 3 with 9 secs to go; it almost cost them the regulation victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2022, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 13, 2022, 07:26:55 PM
Surprised that Marietta didn't foul before CNU got to half court, up 3 with 9 secs to go; it almost cost them the regulation victory.

I thought the same thing. In that situation, you always invoke the Fenlon Rule: foul before they can get off a trey attempt in the final ten seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2022, 09:37:27 AM
How's next year's race look? Marietta looks to lose a ton. The Mount loses 3 starters, I think. Heidelberg? Anyone else stepping up?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 25, 2022, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2022, 09:37:27 AM
How's next year's race look? Marietta looks to lose a ton. The Mount loses 3 starters, I think. Heidelberg? Anyone else stepping up?

Mount returns their starting backcourt of Stanislawski and Painter plus arguably the best returning player in the OAC in Parker.  Jeffery Mansfield who was 2nd team All-OAC (16.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 4.7 apg) at Wilmington transferred to Mount so that's a big addition.  Chaney played quite a bit as a freshman, but I think he was injured this season as he didn't play at all in calendar 2022.  His return would also be a boost as he's a versatile 6'5" perimeter guy.  Finally, Skeriotis logged significant minutes at PG as a freshman so hopefully he continues to develop.

I don't know in detail any other schools situations, but two things I would feel very safe betting on for next season:  Marietta is going to be good and JCU is not going to finish last again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 07, 2022, 03:24:05 PM
Big news in the OAC...per his twitter account, Collen Gurley is transferring back to Mount from YSU.  Things just got very interesting in Alliance as the Raiders went from having some holes to fill with young guys to now having 4 experienced All-OAC players starting.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on June 07, 2022, 11:44:13 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on June 07, 2022, 03:24:05 PM
Big news in the OAC...per his twitter account, Collen Gurley is transferring back to Mount from YSU.  Things just got very interesting in Alliance as the Raiders went from having some holes to fill with young guys to now having 4 experienced All-OAC players starting.

not a bad "transfer" pickup  ;) I wonder if he has one year of eligibility left or two?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 08, 2022, 11:32:02 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on June 07, 2022, 11:44:13 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on June 07, 2022, 03:24:05 PM
Big news in the OAC...per his twitter account, Collen Gurley is transferring back to Mount from YSU.  Things just got very interesting in Alliance as the Raiders went from having some holes to fill with young guys to now having 4 experienced All-OAC players starting.

not a bad "transfer" pickup  ;) I wonder if he has one year of eligibility left or two?

Well, he played two years that counted at UMU and didn't get in a game for Youngstown, so I think he'll still be eligible the next two years.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 13, 2022, 06:03:02 PM
I'm not sure when it happened, but it was news to me that ONU has a new HC.  That makes 3 new HC's in the OAC for this season (ONU, Wilm, Musky). 

I'm excited for hoops to get going.  Mount is less than a month away from the home opener against Whitworth.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2022, 06:50:44 PM
https://www.news-herald.com/2022/10/30/john-carroll-mens-basketball-loses-to-case-in-scrimmage/
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 02, 2022, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 01, 2022, 06:50:44 PM
https://www.news-herald.com/2022/10/30/john-carroll-mens-basketball-loses-to-case-in-scrimmage/

The thing that jumped out to me in this article was the mention that JCU brought in 7 transfers including all 5 starters in the scrimmage.  Both guards and a forward are D1 guys (YSU, The Citadel, Dayton).  Not a bad haul for the Streaks to jumpstart things.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 04, 2022, 02:32:10 PM
The OAC preseason coaches poll (https://oac.org/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/Preseason_Poll_2022) is out.  After learning about the influx of JCU transfers I think this is not surprising at all with Mount/Etta/JCU receiving 1st place votes. 

1. Mount (5)
2. Etta (4)
3. JCU (1)
4. Berg
5. Ott
6. BW
7. Cap
8. ONU
9. Wilm
10. Musky
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on November 05, 2022, 05:14:35 PM
Interested in your thoughts...
Collen Gurley as a 5th Team Pre-Season D3Hoops.com All American selection (no doubts; love his return), but no mention of Christian Parker ... who had accolades and who carried/led the (final #25) Purple Raiders team last year, and who actually played for UMU the full previous season.
Granted, the pre-season selections mean little.
Go Raiders!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2022, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on November 05, 2022, 05:14:35 PM
Interested in your thoughts...
Collen Gurley as a 5th Team Pre-Season D3Hoops.com All American selection (no doubts; love his return), but no mention of Christian Parker ... who had accolades and who carried/led the (final #25) Purple Raiders team last year, and who actually played for UMU the full previous season.
Granted, the pre-season selections mean little.
Go Raiders!

An obvious omission. Parker was 2nd team all region last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 06, 2022, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2022, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on November 05, 2022, 05:14:35 PM
Interested in your thoughts...
Collen Gurley as a 5th Team Pre-Season D3Hoops.com All American selection (no doubts; love his return), but no mention of Christian Parker ... who had accolades and who carried/led the (final #25) Purple Raiders team last year, and who actually played for UMU the full previous season.
Granted, the pre-season selections mean little.
Go Raiders!

An obvious omission. Parker was 2nd team all region last year.

We had a number of 1st team All-Region guys we couldn't squeeze in there.  Josh Talbert was the only second team guard who made the list.  It's pretty stiff competition.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 08, 2022, 11:19:42 AM
In looking at the Mount roster I noticed several guys back for their extra year including Poole, Newsom and Hill.   

At one point last year I heard on a broadcast that Stanislawski was coming back, but that does not appear to be the case as he is not on the roster.  I was also surprised to see Skeriotis missing from the roster.  He was one of their first guys off the bench as a freshman last year and gave them solid minutes as backup PG who could knock down 3's.  He hit some key shots in OAC games last year.

Overall it's a lot of familiar names and by my count 8 experienced players that I'm guessing will be in the rotation.

Painter
Gurley
Newsom
Mansfield
Poole
Hill
Parker
Chaney
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on November 11, 2022, 03:55:17 PM
When I first saw the team group picture, I was comparing faces to the 2021-22 roster that was still on the web site and noted S & S appeared to be missing (could have gotten new hairdoos or something and didn't look the same).  True, just the same here, Skeriotis' absence is a surprise.  I remember that game where he came off the bench and poured in 21 points against ONU.  I thought this guy to be a gem that is only going to get shinier and more valuable.

Did not realize that B-W played Kent State so early.  I sat down to dial it up while watching the Buckeyes and it was already over.  Well, one could say that it was already over at tip-off.  Now seeing that they also played Cleveland State in another "exhibition" game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 12, 2022, 10:39:34 AM
Mount opens with an 84-74 win over a solid Whitworth team in Alliance.  Casual takeaways were that Mount is really athletic and it's going to be an issue for most teams they play...Gurley and Parker are going to score a ton...Mansfield is a key addition with his versatility not just scoring but ball handling.  Defensively they got beat on a lot of back door cuts last night, but I think a lot of that was just being amped up and over aggressive in the opener trying to go for steals.  That and Whitworth is pretty good.  They executed very well. 

As with any opener I was curious to see the rotation coming out of the gate.  Unsurprisingly the starters were Painter, Gurley, Newsom, Poole and Parker aka the veteran core.  Mansfield and Hill came off the bench with Mansfield logging nearly starter minutes including a lot of minutes in crunch time. 

The first surprise of the season was freshman backup PG Corey Hudson playing 18 minutes off the bench (Painter played 16) while putting up 10 pts (5-9 FG) and playing good defense.  Fuline subbed very early on and continued to sub liberally all game I'm sure in an effort to get his guys into game feel quickly so I'll be interested to see how the rotation settles over the next few weeks.  Hudson certainly looked like he's going to play key minutes though.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 13, 2022, 02:54:08 PM
Mount coasted to an easy 99-74 win yesterday over Maryville.  I believe every player dressed got in the game as they were up 24 at half.  Maryville beat a solid Roanoke team Friday and had some decent players with some size, but it was nowhere near enough to keep up.  Mount's length defensively seemed to bother the Scots.  Parker had 4 blocks again yesterday.  Gurley had 20 pts to lead Mount.  Whitworth, Roanoke and Maryville were all pretty good teams hence all 3 receiving top 25 votes.  I watched the non-Mount games as well and they were good ball games especially the Whitworth/Roanoke game yesterday.  Nice opening invitational.  Now on to Behrend for a couple games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 14, 2022, 03:54:32 PM
7 might be the low for Mount's ranking this year, bunch of dawgs
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 15, 2022, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on November 14, 2022, 03:54:32 PM
7 might be the low for Mount's ranking this year, bunch of dawgs

I'm pumped to watch this team.  Mansfield and Hudson are exciting additions.  Gurley looks like he never left.  One thing I admit I forgot and didn't give its due is the impact Newsom has defensively on the perimeter.  Poole is a well known disruptor defensively so I was happy to see him back, but it slipped my mind how much of a factor Newsom can be also.  With Parker protecting the rim like he has they're really tough defensively when they're locked in. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 15, 2022, 05:04:15 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 15, 2022, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on November 14, 2022, 03:54:32 PM
7 might be the low for Mount's ranking this year, bunch of dawgs

I'm pumped to watch this team.  Mansfield and Hudson are exciting additions.  Gurley looks like he never left.  One thing I admit I forgot and didn't give its due is the impact Newsom has defensively on the perimeter.  Poole is a well known disruptor defensively so I was happy to see him back, but it slipped my mind how much of a factor Newsom can be also.  With Parker protecting the rim like he has they're really tough defensively when they're locked in. 

going to be a fun season.  This upcoming Woo, Berg, JCU stretch will be telling
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 20, 2022, 12:02:44 PM
I didn't get a chance to watch either game, but Mount moved to 4-0 beating Behrend and Juniata both by double digits.  Parker had 27 and 14 in the latter game reminding us again what happens when he's on.  I don't want to say Wooster is the first test of the season this week because Whitworth and Maryville are both solid squads, but anytime you hit the road to Wooster in hoops it's a big game for Mount.  They beat the Scots 81-68 in Alliance last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on November 22, 2022, 11:58:32 AM
John Carroll had a very nice weekend! First beating River Falls on Friday, then knocking off #24 Wheaton on their own court to move to 4-0. Looking forward to seeing what the rest of the season holds. Looks like this could be a pretty good season for the OAC as a whole!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on November 22, 2022, 08:07:15 PM
I've been watching the Mount games and they will be tough to beat when they take the ball to the basket (don't settle for 3s) and play defense. They play good team defense, force turnovers and score in transition. Obviously, there's lots of experience who should play tons, but I also life what #1 (freshman PG) brings of the bench. He's a nice scorer and makes great passes! Mansfield (transfer from Wilmington) is a great compliment to Gurley and seems like he makes big plays when needed with scoring or a defensive play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 23, 2022, 09:37:00 PM
Mount cruises to a 94-76 at Wooster to go to 5-0.  Parker had 21 and 9 to pace the Raiders.  The recurring theme is that they're so deep it's a problem.  Should be a fun winter in Alliance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 26, 2022, 04:39:16 PM
the Raiders look so good, a top 1-2 team in both football and basketball right now?!? lets gooooo
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 27, 2022, 08:13:58 PM
I hope you're right, Suit.  Mansfield has been a critical addition.  He's so versatile.  They defend so well when they're locked in that it's gonna be an issue all season.  Length, athleticism, effort?  And depth.  Good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 29, 2022, 09:27:40 AM
Mount Union jumps up to #2 in the new top 25 poll receiving five 1st place votes.  JCU enters the poll at #16 this week.  Etta dropped out into ORV.  Berg is the only other team receiving a vote.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 29, 2022, 09:57:37 AM
Mount's too low
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 29, 2022, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 27, 2022, 08:13:58 PM
I hope you're right, Suit.  Mansfield has been a critical addition.  He's so versatile.  They defend so well when they're locked in that it's gonna be an issue all season.  Length, athleticism, effort?  And depth.  Good luck.

Maybe not the best, but I've found him to be the most valuable player in the league for at least the last two years.  Him moving to UMU in a supporting role is the ultimate luxury.  To be able to bring in a guy who's both a lock down defender and capable of scoring 20 points in 20 minutes is unreal.  He's also the kind of guy perfectly willing to accept a role like that if it helps the team win.  Super, super rare.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2022, 01:15:48 PM
He just joined the D3 college equivalent of a super team...built differently than JCU's super team.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 29, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
Saw in the Rep's HS hoops preview McKinley star PG Jahlil Graham mentioned as "Mount Union recruit".  1st team All-Fed, 3rd team D1 All-Ohio as a junior last yr.  Fuline has it cooking in Alliance.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 30, 2022, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 29, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
Saw in the Rep's HS hoops preview McKinley star PG Jahlil Graham mentioned as "Mount Union recruit".  1st team All-Fed, 3rd team D1 All-Ohio as a junior last yr.  Fuline has it cooking in Alliance.

36 points isn't a bad way to start your sr year
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 30, 2022, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on November 30, 2022, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 29, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
Saw in the Rep's HS hoops preview McKinley star PG Jahlil Graham mentioned as "Mount Union recruit".  1st team All-Fed, 3rd team D1 All-Ohio as a junior last yr.  Fuline has it cooking in Alliance.

36 points isn't a bad way to start your sr year

Against a solid team no less.  Maybe get him to sandbag a little so he doesn't get a late money offer and still ends up in Alliance though?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 02, 2022, 03:52:55 PM
I missed that the OAC play opened Wed. with a couple match ups.  BW was up 12 at half in Tiffin, but then Berg just completely boat raced them in the 2nd half outscoring the Jackets 68-40 in the half.  It's tough to give up 68 points in a half.  Big one tomorrow as Mount travels to Berg.

Etta got a road win at OTT 66-61.  I know Ott is improving, but that score surprised me a little.  I wrote off the Pios starting off 2-2 to their very tough OOC schedule.  With what Etta lost from that historic team last year losses to #4 UW-Lax and #14 Keene St. is certainly understandable.  I have not seen any OAC teams play yet aside from Mount so maybe one of our Etta posters can shed some light about them and Ott.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 05, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
Mounts drops their OAC opener at Berg on Sat 82-70.  I did not get to watch it, but it looks like Berg was pretty much in control the entire game.  Mount shot an ice cold 4-24 from deep and turned the ball over 17 times. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2022, 09:26:34 AM
#6 Mount (6-1) grinds out a big win over #9 JCU (6-1) last night 75-72.  They had to overcome another dreadful night shooting from deep (3-18) but did so by attacking the hoop more in the 2nd half.  They only had 5 attempts from 3 in the 2nd half and unsurprisingly their FG% in the 2nd half was 51% vs. 31% in the 1st half.  Painter stepped up big time with 20 points on 8-11 shooting.  He was the only Raider in double figures.

I was very impressed with JCU.  They're skilled and they executed well.  That rematch in UH is going to be tough.  Not many teams have the athletes Mount has to throw at JCU.  Those teams are in for a long night against the Streaks as Musky already found out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on December 09, 2022, 08:44:34 AM
If John Carroll can head into post Christmas conference play with only the one loss, I will be extremely happy. What a difference a year makes
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 09, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on December 09, 2022, 08:44:34 AM
If John Carroll can head into post Christmas conference play with only the one loss, I will be extremely happy. What a difference a year makes

Yeah, that would be a great spot to be in and honestly not a stretch to happen.  The JCU game at Etta next Saturday is one I will watch for sure.  I love watching games at BanJo.  Such a great environment for hoops when it's a big game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 10, 2022, 11:42:38 PM
Mount coasts 89-71 over ONU.  Gurley was locked in again.  21 pts to lead the way.  Listening to the football game Bourquin said Mount asked ONU to push tip to 4pm instead of 2pm due to the playoff game and the Bears said no so glad to see Mount bury them.  Hopefully they win by even more in Ada.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on December 13, 2022, 09:56:10 AM
not much change in the rankings. Mount Union up 1 to 5, Berg down 1 to 20, and John Carroll stays firm at 9. Marietta sits just outside at 32. Shaping up to be a really good year for the conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 17, 2022, 08:36:23 PM
JCU with a statement win in Marietta.  53-37 at half and the Streaks cruise 95-73.  Etta drops to 6-3, but all 3 losses are to teams in top 10.  That's a tough draw for a team replacing a lot of starters.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2023, 09:12:26 AM
Big OAC match up tonight in UH with Berg at JCU.  Both teams dropped a non-conference game over break to sit at 9-2 currently.  Berg does sit alone atop the OAC at 4-0 though.

Mount is at BW which is never an easy task, but they should take care of business. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 04, 2023, 09:55:38 PM
JCU beats Berg 81-76.  Mount and Etta win.  We now have a 4 way tie at 4-1.  Mount survived in OT 84-81.  Mazzeo shot 1-14 for BW and it still went to OT so perhaps a little wake up call for the Raiders.  If Mazzeo shoots that poorly you should win by double figures even on the road.  But a win's a win.  Move on.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on January 05, 2023, 08:52:01 AM
No more games in Florida please!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on January 05, 2023, 01:33:45 PM
Mount was lucky to get away with the win at BW.  They shot 30 FT's and BW maybe 10.  Does Snyder always shoot the 3's like last night.  Seemed like whenever they needed one, he hit it.  Also, Mount gave up tons of layups when BW was patient.
Parker was beastly inside.  Mount's shooting was not up to par.  It is tough to win on the road in the OAC.  The guy who called to video stream was very good. Fair, called it like it was, and stayed on the game.  Well done.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 05, 2023, 03:45:01 PM
Quote from: raiderpa on January 05, 2023, 01:33:45 PM
Mount was lucky to get away with the win at BW.  They shot 30 FT's and BW maybe 10.  Does Snyder always shoot the 3's like last night.  Seemed like whenever they needed one, he hit it.  Also, Mount gave up tons of layups when BW was patient.
Parker was beastly inside.  Mount's shooting was not up to par.  It is tough to win on the road in the OAC.  The guy who called to video stream was very good. Fair, called it like it was, and stayed on the game.  Well done.

I remember the last time I watched a game at BW being impressed with the call.  Not sure if it's the same guy or if these are students, but in either case they do a very nice job.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 09, 2023, 09:18:07 AM
Berg, JCU and Mount all win Saturday to maintain the tie for 1st.  Etta dropped a game back with a bit of a head scratching loss at Wilm.  The win was the Quakers first OAC victory of the season.

I watched almost all of the Mount game at Cap despite it being decided well before halftime.  Mount came out and knocked down their first six 3 pointers and combined that with Parker scoring at will to overwhelm Cap out of the gate.  At one point it was something like 45-15 in the 1st half so I diverted my main attention elsewhere.  And no, Cap is not bad (7-6, 3-3) so I wasn't expecting that kind of onslaught.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 12, 2023, 10:27:37 AM
Mount survives at home 73-71 over Etta.  I thought they had it wrapped up late up 14, but Etta charged back at the end.  Congrats to Christian Parker who set a new school record with 7 blocks to go along with his 24 and 9 boards.

Mount's FT shooting continues to be an issue (15-27 last night) and Fuline mentioned it post-game.  On the season they're at 63% as a team.  Part of that is Parker having by far the most FT attempts and being at 56.5% right now.  But Gurley at 78% is their only "good" FT shooter.  Two guys who handle the ball a lot, Painter and Hudson, neither are above 50% at the line right now.  I know, they're 13-1 and this is nit picking, but I'm thinking ahead to postseason.

On a positive note they continue to defend at a high level.  They're forcing almost 18 TO per game and holding opponents to 40% shooting.  When they're locked in defensively they're tough to score on consistently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 15, 2023, 02:39:43 PM
Mount, JCU and Berg all hold serve to remain tied at 7-1 atop the conference.  Berg notched a solid win over Etta 82-76.  JCU certainly had the strangest game as they fouled on purpose up 66-63 and grabbed a rebound off the missed 2nd FT to survive 66-64.  The strange part was this was at home against Wilm who is now 1-7 in OAC play.

Mount won 74-65 at Ott.  They did not play great by any stretch, but they battled through some issues including 1-13 on 3s and most notably Parker taking an Ott pass to the face.  With his broken nose that caused him to head to the locker room ahead of halftime and basically not play at all in the 2nd half.  Poole stepped up and carried them for stretches (23 pts on 8-10 shooting).  Poole also had 7 boards 6 of which were offensive.  Much like JCU, Ott was able to get numerous easy scores off screens/backdoor cuts.  Fortunately, Mount forced 24 turnovers to more than make up for a few lapses.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on January 16, 2023, 08:16:52 AM
Dr. A,
You must at times feel lonely on this board.  Just want to let you know I enjoy reading your recaps and opinions.

Mount worries me.  They just don't seem to play up to their potential.  They do so in spirts, but not consistently throughout the game. As a result they have close games against teams they should blow out.  If they make the NCAA tournament this will hurt them.  That's a big "if" as JCU and the Berg, I'm sure, have other ideas.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on January 16, 2023, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on January 15, 2023, 02:39:43 PM
Mount, JCU and Berg all hold serve to remain tied at 7-1 atop the conference.  Berg notched a solid win over Etta 82-76.  JCU certainly had the strangest game as they fouled on purpose up 66-63 and grabbed a rebound off the missed 2nd FT to survive 66-64.  The strange part was this was at home against Wilm who is now 1-7 in OAC play.

Mount won 74-65 at Ott.  They did not play great by any stretch, but they battled through some issues including 1-13 on 3s and most notably Parker taking an Ott pass to the face.  With his broken nose that caused him to head to the locker room ahead of halftime and basically not play at all in the 2nd half.  Poole stepped up and carried them for stretches (23 pts on 8-10 shooting).  Poole also had 7 boards 6 of which were offensive.  Much like JCU, Ott was able to get numerous easy scores off screens/backdoor cuts.  Fortunately, Mount forced 24 turnovers to more than make up for a few lapses.

19-21 at the charity stripe though
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 16, 2023, 02:42:28 PM
I think it would take an epic meltdown at this point for them not to make the NCAA tourney.  They're already 14-1 with only a game each against JCU and Berg remaining.  I would be very surprised if they end up with more than 4 losses at worst heading into the NCAA.  And to be fair, JCU and Berg have also shown lapses in consistency. 

My main concern with Mount at the moment is shooting.  The FT shooting I previously mentioned and it remains a concern although they were excellent Saturday.  Outside of Newsom and maybe Painter (less than 2 att/gm) they currently lack a consistent 3 point threat.  I'm surprised to say that with Gurley back, but the numbers are what they are so far.  He's just above 30% from deep and after the opening weekend it's 26%.  They don't have anyone else who plays regular minutes shooting over 30% from 3.  IMO this is good and bad.  While I'd love to have a couple guys capable of bombing from deep this team is also veteran enough to know and they play to their strengths which are forcing turnovers hopefully leading to easy points and in the half court moving the ball and getting looks in close, especially with Parker.  Gurley, Mansfield, Hudson all look to go to the hoop.

Their calling card has been and will continue to be defense.  When it's crunch time they have 3 guys that basically have to be out there defensively in Parker, Poole and Newsom.  I've liked the look Fuline has shown late in some games with those 3 plus Gurley and Mansfield with Mansfield being the primary ball handler.  That 5 has good size and athleticism in addition to being probably your best offensive 5 group as well.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 20, 2023, 10:36:54 PM
Big game in Alliance tomorrow w Berg in town.  With the Princes dropping one at home to ONU Wednesday they really need this tomorrow.  Hopefully Mount opens up a 2 game lead on Berg setting up the showdown in UH.

Btw Etta dropping one to a Cap squad I watched and was in no way even impressed by was certainly a surprise.  But even if I was an Etta fan I wouldn't care.  You take last year's epic season every single time.  They'll be back next yr.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 21, 2023, 06:38:33 PM
Mount routed Berg 94-71 to set up the showdown in UH on Wednesday.  Both teams head in 9-1 and now 2 games ahead of 7-3 Berg.  You don't want to say it's for the OAC regular season title when you just started the 2nd half of the conference slate today, but it very well may prove to be.  We still have JCU going to Berg and Mount going to Etta ahead so certainly some potential pitfalls beyond Wed, but the JCU game is huge.

As for today, man it's fun to watch a game when your team is shooting well.  59% from the floor, 62% from 3 isn't gonna happen every night but it's fun when it does.  5 players in double figures:  Gurley (22), Parker (22), Newsom (12), Mansfield (11) and Painter (10).  Gurley had a great game with 22 pts, 4 reb, 4 stl, 3 asst fueled by efficient shooting (8-12 FG, 4-6 3P).  Watching the game I also thought he did a nice job defensively using his frame to be physical without fouling on guys trying to drive.

Newsom was efficient yet again (4-7 FG, 4-6 3P) and continues to climb the list of my favorite Raiders of recent memory.  He's just a winning player.  He does everything that helps win games including all the little stuff.  Him coming back has been far bigger than even I gave credit and I was already a fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on January 24, 2023, 09:49:01 AM
Should be a great game tomorrow! I feel like both teams are probably in good shape for bids to the tournament, but getting a win over a top 10 caliber team is never a bad thing
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 24, 2023, 05:46:13 PM
Should be a great atmosphere tomorrow night for sure.  With both teams in the top 10 I don't imagine a loss is going to drop either one too far in the rankings.  It's shaping up well for both teams to make the tourney and probably host.  Hopefully that goes better than last year for Mount.  We're still a few weeks away from regional rankings, but I can't imagine they aren't 1-2 on the unofficial regional ranking currently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 25, 2023, 09:01:30 PM
Listen, JCU is really really good.  But the fact that they shot more FT than Mount is absolutely laughable.  Given how Mount shot from the line which was absolutely embarrassing it may not have mattered but that was not good officiating.  Either let them play on both ends or don't.  You can't call every little bump one way and ignore anything short of WWE clotheslines the other way.

That being said Gurley got really lucky that wasn't a charge w 8.6 sec left.  That was borderline at best i thought.  He splits the pair and JCU makes both the next possession.  That's the difference.

I said it in Alliance I'll say it again tonight.  The first word I use to describe JCU skilled.  They're built for a little ncaa run.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on January 26, 2023, 09:07:33 AM
45% from the line is a recipe for an early round exit for Mount.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on January 26, 2023, 09:14:25 AM
Yeah, it's not good when you shoot better from 3 than from the line.  That is becoming a more glaring issue by the week.

One other thing I forgot to mention in my rant last night was JCU on the offensive glass.  15 offensive rebounds including 6 from Raynor alone.  That's another thing that's going to kill you is giving a team that good multiple looks.

Those are just two very evenly matched teams.  The OAC title game should be a good one if they meet again.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on January 27, 2023, 03:14:46 PM
 I thought that was a charge on Gurley, too,  the push with 3.9 was a make-up. Mount has struggled from the line most of the season.  The coaching and talent is there, but the little things can be fatal. JCU's offensive rebounding was, I thought, was the biggest factor in the loss. They consistently beat the Raiders to the glass and "boxing out" seemed to be a forgotten fundamental.
Gotta finish strong for an NCAA bid, both Mount and JCU.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on January 28, 2023, 02:22:00 PM
A bit painful to watch so far today.
First two foul shots ... Miss and Miss.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on January 28, 2023, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on January 28, 2023, 02:22:00 PM
A bit painful to watch so far today.
First two foul shots ... Miss and Miss.

Very painful.

Nice shot at the buzzer!  Liked the graphic at the interview with the ONU Coach that said "Mike Fuline," and with purple colors.
ONU coach's comment was priceless:  "I asked if he made the shot before or after he carried the ball.  [Paraphrasing] He made it after he carried the ball, so I guess it counts (was good)"

Looks like some good pizza being made in Ada.  ONU has that going for it.

But, it is a "win.'
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 02, 2023, 10:46:57 AM
JCU takes care of Berg in Tiffin last night giving themselves the inside track for the OAC crown.  They're hosting Etta next so you never know, but Etta snuck out of New Concord with a 68-65 win last night.  Maybe Etta was looking ahead, but that's how crazy the OAC is.  Musky is 1-19 and they had the ball with 11 seconds left down 66-65 and missed a layup with 3 seconds left (according to the box score PBP).

I will also gleefully mention that Mount blasted BW 102-69 to remain a game back of JCU.  It will never get old beating BW in anything.  Parker with another double double last night with 24 and 10.

With Berg's loss dropping them to 8-5 in OAC play they're now tied with Etta for 3rd.  It will take a complete disaster for the OAC tourney to be outside of NE Ohio. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on February 08, 2023, 10:28:48 AM
Huge game to stay in contention for the Mounties tonight in Marietta.  Always a tough assignment there.  Foul shots, defensive boards will be huge.  I expect a nail biter, hope for a win to stay on JCU heels....It seems that all away games in the OAC can be difficult.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 08, 2023, 10:35:23 PM
Mount notches a big win 77-68 at Etta.  Parker fouled out in only 22 minutes but Gurley stepped up big time w 27 and 10 to lead the Raiders on the road.  That's what good teams do.  A key guy is limited another key guy takes over.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 09, 2023, 12:39:14 PM
Out of curiosity (obviously hoping it doesn't come in to play!) what is the OAC's tie breaker?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 09, 2023, 05:00:52 PM
After H2H I would think it goes to record against the next best teams in descending order.  So presently, record against Berg which would go to JCU since Mount split with the Princes. 

I can't find anything on the OAC website which is no surprise because I couldn't find anything for the baseball tiebreaker when I looked for that info in the past.  I even tried the media guide but the OAC hasn't posted a new hoops media guide for a couple years now.  It wasn't in the old one so I doubt it would help anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2023, 11:08:33 AM
The OAC showed well in the regional rankings taking 3 of the 7 spots.

1. Mount
2. JCU
7. Berg

I was a little surprised that there were no MIAA teams ranked (especially Calvin), but I guess they're weighting SOS a lot.  Wabash has the worst SOS of the regionally ranked teams at .536 and Calvin is at .506.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 15, 2023, 04:03:25 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2023, 11:08:33 AM
The OAC showed well in the regional rankings taking 3 of the 7 spots.

1. Mount
2. JCU
7. Berg

I was a little surprised that there were no MIAA teams ranked (especially Calvin), but I guess they're weighting SOS a lot.  Wabash has the worst SOS of the regionally ranked teams at .536 and Calvin is at .506.

A good showing by the OAC in the Women's Regional Rankings as well:
1 - ONU
2 - B-W
4 - Marietta
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 15, 2023, 08:35:15 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 09, 2023, 05:00:52 PM
After H2H I would think it goes to record against the next best teams in descending order.  So presently, record against Berg which would go to JCU since Mount split with the Princes. 

I can't find anything on the OAC website which is no surprise because I couldn't find anything for the baseball tiebreaker when I looked for that info in the past.  I even tried the media guide but the OAC hasn't posted a new hoops media guide for a couple years now.  It wasn't in the old one so I doubt it would help anyway.

The Mount Union broadcast team said, during tonight's game vs. Muskingum, that if B-W beats JCU this evening, Mount Union will be in first place, as the tie breaker is better overall record.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2023, 09:33:54 PM
That's interesting to make the tiebreaker something that can be easily manipulated.  You'd think the conference would keep any tiebreakers on an even field i.e. conference results only. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
And by god it happened!  BW beat JCU 99-94.  Being happy about BW winning anything makes me feel like I need a shower.  I'm happy if Mount hosts but as a fan that tiebreaker is still dumb.  That should be the tiebreaker just before coin flip at best.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2023, 07:11:21 AM
Now wait a minute... JCU says they are hosting:

https://jcusports.com/news/2023/2/15/mens-basketball-claws-back-late-but-can-t-fend-off-yellow-jackets-in-berea.aspx

Who hosts? Do we just meet in Ravenna and call it a day?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 16, 2023, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2023, 09:33:54 PM
That's interesting to make the tiebreaker something that can be easily manipulated.  You'd think the conference would keep any tiebreakers on an even field i.e. conference results only.

Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 15, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
And by god it happened!  BW beat JCU 99-94.  Being happy about BW winning anything makes me feel like I need a shower.  I'm happy if Mount hosts but as a fan that tiebreaker is still dumb.  That should be the tiebreaker just before coin flip at best.

I couldn't agree more, provided that the UMU broadcast team is correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 16, 2023, 09:00:49 AM
Quote from: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2023, 07:11:21 AM
Now wait a minute... JCU says they are hosting:

https://jcusports.com/news/2023/2/15/mens-basketball-claws-back-late-but-can-t-fend-off-yellow-jackets-in-berea.aspx

Who hosts? Do we just meet in Ravenna and call it a day?

Ravenna?  You guys can just host...

In all seriousness I don't know why JCU wouldn't host via tiebreaker.  I think they should.  At the same time I hope the Mount broadcast was correct!  If only the OAC had the tiebreakers somewhere people could see them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 16, 2023, 10:55:35 AM
I found an article from 2018 that breaks down the OAC basketball tie-breaker at that point, who knows if it is still the procedure five years later

https://www.adaicon.com/news/201802/trophy-watch-breaking-down-oac-basketball-title-race

QuoteBecause OAC teams play each other twice every season, however, there is the opportunity for a split in head-to-head competition. Then, Gleason says, the next tiebreaker is how each team fared against the rest of the conference -- from the top of the standings on down.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 16, 2023, 11:49:04 AM
John Carroll should be hosting.

JCU/MtU head-to-head is a split
Heidelberg is locked into the #3 spot in the standings, JCU is 2-0 vs H, MtU is 1-1

I don't know of any conference that uses overall record until very far down the tie-breaker list.


John Carroll went from #10 seed a year ago, to #1 seed this year.  That's incredible.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 16, 2023, 12:23:32 PM
In their defense, they were better than their record last year.  But they also weren't up to JCU standards.  Moran knew they needed a roster overhaul and he hit the transfer portal hard and brought in 5 guys who are now 5 of their top 6 guys in terms of minutes this year.  I like that he didn't sit back and try to cycle out of it in 2-3 years.  If you can fix it, fix it.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 16, 2023, 04:16:27 PM
seems weird to reward JCU for losing to a much, much worse OAC team than Mount did, but I bet the Raiders would love to play JCU anywhere...except maybe Ravenna
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on February 16, 2023, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 16, 2023, 04:16:27 PM
seems weird to reward JCU for losing to a much, much worse OAC team than Mount did, but I bet the Raiders would love to play JCU anywhere...except maybe Ravenna

I guess I'll cancel my dinner plans at Guido's and switch to Pizzazz or Polinori's.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 19, 2023, 04:39:15 PM
Well, it's settled ... The OAC web site bracket lists JCU as the #1 seed.

But didn't the top eight teams used to make the bracket as opposed to just the six?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 19, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
They keep messing with the format.  I swear last year everyone was in it because Mount played JCU and they finished last in the regular season.  But yes, before that it used to be the top 8.  I don't have an issue with a 6 team format.  That seems fair for a 10 team conference.  Plus it rewards the top 2 teams with a bye to the semis which seems like a nice prize for navigating an 18 game OAC schedule.  It worked out perfectly this year, but check back when someone gets a bye at 11-7 because there was a 3-way tie for 2nd or something.  I'll be complaining then!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on February 19, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
OAC coaches voted for six teams because it helps strength of schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 20, 2023, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 19, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
They keep messing with the format.  I swear last year everyone was in it because Mount played JCU and they finished last in the regular season.  But yes, before that it used to be the top 8.  I don't have an issue with a 6 team format.  That seems fair for a 10 team conference.  Plus it rewards the top 2 teams with a bye to the semis which seems like a nice prize for navigating an 18 game OAC schedule.  It worked out perfectly this year, but check back when someone gets a bye at 11-7 because there was a 3-way tie for 2nd or something.  I'll be complaining then!
We don't talk about last year  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 20, 2023, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on February 19, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
OAC coaches voted for six teams because it helps strength of schedule.

Ahh, that makes sense.  Thanks for sharing that info.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2023, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 19, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
They keep messing with the format.

A number of conferences put all of their teams in their conference tournament last year because COVID cancelations meant that not everyone played the same number of games.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 23, 2023, 09:46:55 PM
Title game in Atown.  Mount cruises by Berg.  Up 13 at half and never in doubt in the 2nd half. Meanwhile in U Hts Etta storms back from down 20 to beat JCU 79-75.  The Pios outscored the Streaks 58-36 in the 2nd half.  I listened to the Etta radio feed at work and the excitement was flowing through the AirPods.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 26, 2023, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2023, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 19, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
They keep messing with the format.

A number of conferences put all of their teams in their conference tournament last year because COVID cancelations meant that not everyone played the same number of games.

That makes sense.  Thanks, Pat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 26, 2023, 10:28:03 AM
Congrats to Coach Fuline and his guys on their 95-80 OAC tourney title!  His dudes were shot out of a cannon from the tip running out 9-0 and never looking back.  Etta took their 3rd timeout not even 7 minutes in after Newsom's 3rd triple made it 23-3.  The Pios never got closer than 14 the rest of the way. 

Parker was absolutely dominant winning tourney MVP.  31 pts (13-20 FG), 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk.  This was the best game I've seen Mansfield play.  He's been good all season, but he was phenomenal yesterday.  He scored 19 (6-7 FG, 6-6 FT), grabbed 7 boards and lead the team with 6 assists and 4 steals.  Newsom was huge especially early on scoring 11 points in the first 7 minutes of the game.  He finished with 19.

I would think this sets Mount up to host.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 26, 2023, 02:47:54 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 26, 2023, 10:28:03 AM
Congrats to Coach Fuline and his guys on their 95-80 OAC tourney title!  His dudes were shot out of a cannon from the tip running out 9-0 and never looking back.  Etta took their 3rd timeout not even 7 minutes in after Newsom's 3rd triple made it 23-3.  The Pios never got closer than 14 the rest of the way. 

Parker was absolutely dominant winning tourney MVP.  31 pts (13-20 FG), 12 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl, 2 blk.  This was the best game I've seen Mansfield play.  He's been good all season, but he was phenomenal yesterday.  He scored 19 (6-7 FG, 6-6 FT), grabbed 7 boards and lead the team with 6 assists and 4 steals.  Newsom was huge especially early on scoring 11 points in the first 7 minutes of the game.  He finished with 19.

I would think this sets Mount up to host.

Yes; I have been missing the play of CPJ, but Mansfield has been quite impressive in a starting role, and, in particular, yesterday's game.  I feel that he brings a leadership/calming presence.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on February 26, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
Mounts defense really turned into energy on offense to get them out to a big lead. If they play like this, they'll be hard to beat for awhile. Can't play down to anyone, must keep the energy and watch the dumb lazy fouls. I'm good with aggressive fouls, but there were numerous times that someone got lazy and wouldn't get back or just grab someone. Can't complain much though bc it's tough to beat Marietta 3 times in a season. I'm hoping the Raiders host and win for awhile.

Individual shoutouts...Newsom got the team going at first with great defense, pressure that forced TOs and great shooting. Parker was aggressive to the basket and great at the rim. Mansfield made plays in every way on offense and defense. He would make a basket, created mismatches, great passes, steals, and calmed the offense when necessary. Gurley and Poole weren't relied on, but both played great defense, had nice assists and timely baskets. Hudson was nice of the bench, giving an offensive spark when Marietta made little runs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on February 26, 2023, 07:18:42 PM
Newsom got the team going at first with great defense, pressure that forced TOs and great shooting. Parker was aggressive to the basket and great at the rim. Mansfield made plays in every way on offense and defense. He would make a basket, created mismatches, great passes, steals, and calmed the offense when necessary. Gurley and Poole weren't relied on, but both played great defense, had nice assists and timely baskets. Hudson was nice of the bench, giving an offensive spark when Marietta made little runs.
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Wholeheartedly concur.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 27, 2023, 02:27:15 PM
not a bad draw for the Raiders, North Park is athletic as anyone.  But Mount should be heavily favored to get through the 8 team pod
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2023, 10:15:26 PM
Massey has Mount as a 12 pt favorite w an 82% win probability against Anderson.  All due respect that's obviously not a great hoops conference.  That's great but they did lose to Stevens who was nothing special last yr bc some kid was unconscious from 3.  So let's do Friday like Saturday against Etta and explode out of the gate.  Please.  I know nothing about Anderson but I'm very confident they have no one that can defend Parker so let's start there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: edward de vere on February 27, 2023, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2023, 10:15:26 PMI know nothing about Anderson but I'm very confident they have no one that can defend Parker so let's start there.

Parker does have some amazing (for the D3 level) arachnid capabilities.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 28, 2023, 01:02:56 PM
Quote from: edward de vere on February 27, 2023, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2023, 10:15:26 PMI know nothing about Anderson but I'm very confident they have no one that can defend Parker so let's start there.

Parker does have some amazing (for the D3 level) arachnid capabilities.

that is a great description of Parker, it does seem like he has 8 hands tipping the ball around, blocking shots, grabbing boards lol
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 28, 2023, 03:10:23 PM
Massey is giving John Carroll 68%. Pretty good odds, but Albertus Magnus could be dangerous. Just knocking off the top team in the country and all  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 03, 2023, 04:04:14 PM
the JCU team of transfers is looking pretty good so far, a ton more physical.  Luke Chicone is playing like an AA
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on March 03, 2023, 10:21:48 PM
Mount got by with a win tonight, but better pick up the intensity of they want to continue. They didn't look anything like they did in the OAC tournament. Defensive intensity wasn't there and on offense they didn't get to the basket enough, couldn't finish when they did and made half of their free throws. You've got this Raiders!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 03, 2023, 10:39:23 PM
It's survive and advance time, but if we're being honest what does Anderson finish in the OAC?  5th?  Tighten it up tomorrow and move on again Raiders!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 04, 2023, 08:23:59 PM
Mount up 44-31 at half and truthfully not playing great.  I'm not sure LBC has the horses to keep up.  Their SG definitely seems like he hasn't been defended by guys like Newsom/Gurley.  Mansfield was key early on.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 04, 2023, 08:45:47 PM
I don't know what conference these officials are from but god bless those poor fans.  This looks like a junior HS girls crew trying to ref a men's college game.  And not anti-Mount just general "have you guys ever reffed a game w legit athletes playing?" vibe.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on March 04, 2023, 08:58:38 PM
Just dawned on me, following a comment by the UMU announcer...  I wonder, how common is it to have three 1,000 point scorers on the same team, on the floor at the same time? ... Gurley, Parker, and Poole.  (I wasn't aware of Poole reaching the mark, but checked the UMU web page stats.)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: purple on March 04, 2023, 09:53:02 PM
 Anderson and LBC were game but just didn't have the athletes to match up with the Raiders. I saw Gurly blow kisses to the crowd after each of his threes. An Iowa player got a technical foul for exactly the same thing in the IU-Mich game this week. No. 30 for LBC was terrific, nearly a one-man gang.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on March 04, 2023, 08:58:38 PM
Just dawned on me, following a comment by the UMU announcer...  I wonder, how common is it to have three 1,000 point scorers on the same team, on the floor at the same time? ... Gurley, Parker, and Poole.  (I wasn't aware of Poole reaching the mark, but checked the UMU web page stats.)

It's not unheard of. Probably 2-3 schools in any given year do and I've even seen four 1,000-point scorers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: edward de vere on March 05, 2023, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 28, 2023, 01:02:56 PM
Quote from: edward de vere on February 27, 2023, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2023, 10:15:26 PMI know nothing about Anderson but I'm very confident they have no one that can defend Parker so let's start there.

Parker does have some amazing (for the D3 level) arachnid capabilities.

that is a great description of Parker, it does seem like he has 8 hands tipping the ball around, blocking shots, grabbing boards lol

Brothers from different mothers:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Parker_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: edward de vere on March 05, 2023, 12:16:18 AM
Helluva Sweet Sixteen Mount Union-centric football bracket:  Mount Union, Oshkosh, Rowan, Whitewater, Hopkins, Wheaton, UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 05, 2023, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: purple on March 04, 2023, 09:53:02 PM
Anderson and LBC were game but just didn't have the athletes to match up with the Raiders. I saw Gurly blow kisses to the crowd after each of his threes. An Iowa player got a technical foul for exactly the same thing in the IU-Mich game this week. No. 30 for LBC was terrific, nearly a one-man gang.

Very impressive game from that kid.  Their big kid played well too.  Those two pretty much carried them.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on March 05, 2023, 02:11:20 PM
I like how many different players stepped up for Mount at different points in the game. They were all key moments as well. Big 3s, steals, rebounds, defensive stands, but my favorite was when Newsom airballed a 3, Gurley hustled and jumped out of bounds to save it for a 3 pointer (can't remember who made it) and it put Mount up by 6 points to really maintain that gap when LBC was pushing. This was the intensity that you need to win these games and put teams away. Even the 'bad' fouls were aggressive plays that a coach is usually okay with. Every game from here on out is TOUGH, and you better treat it that way or your done.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 05, 2023, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on March 05, 2023, 02:11:20 PM
I like how many different players stepped up for Mount at different points in the game. They were all key moments as well. Big 3s, steals, rebounds, defensive stands, but my favorite was when Newsom airballed a 3, Gurley hustled and jumped out of bounds to save it for a 3 pointer (can't remember who made it) and it put Mount up by 6 points to really maintain that gap when LBC was pushing. This was the intensity that you need to win these games and put teams away. Even the 'bad' fouls were aggressive plays that a coach is usually okay with. Every game from here on out is TOUGH, and you better treat it that way or your done.

That was a great play by Gurley recognizing he could get there, chasing it down and one-hand baseball passing it to Newsom while he was airborne out of bounds.  It was either Mansfield or Parker who missed the initial 3 but Newsom was the one that hit it right in front of the visitors bench off the Gurley save.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on March 05, 2023, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on March 04, 2023, 08:58:38 PM
Just dawned on me, following a comment by the UMU announcer...  I wonder, how common is it to have three 1,000 point scorers on the same team, on the floor at the same time? ... Gurley, Parker, and Poole.  (I wasn't aware of Poole reaching the mark, but checked the UMU web page stats.)

It's not unheard of. Probably 2-3 schools in any given year do and I've even seen four 1,000-point scorers.

Wow!  Would not have thought it!!
Guess that I need to get out more ... LOL!
Thanks, Pat!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 06, 2023, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on March 04, 2023, 08:58:38 PM
Just dawned on me, following a comment by the UMU announcer...  I wonder, how common is it to have three 1,000 point scorers on the same team, on the floor at the same time? ... Gurley, Parker, and Poole.  (I wasn't aware of Poole reaching the mark, but checked the UMU web page stats.)

It's not unheard of. Probably 2-3 schools in any given year do and I've even seen four 1,000-point scorers.

Jeff Mansfield has over 1500 points if you count his outstanding career at Wilma.  1...2...3...4
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on March 06, 2023, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 05, 2023, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on March 05, 2023, 02:11:20 PM
I like how many different players stepped up for Mount at different points in the game. They were all key moments as well. Big 3s, steals, rebounds, defensive stands, but my favorite was when Newsom airballed a 3, Gurley hustled and jumped out of bounds to save it for a 3 pointer (can't remember who made it) and it put Mount up by 6 points to really maintain that gap when LBC was pushing. This was the intensity that you need to win these games and put teams away. Even the 'bad' fouls were aggressive plays that a coach is usually okay with. Every game from here on out is TOUGH, and you better treat it that way or your done.

That was a great play by Gurley recognizing he could get there, chasing it down and one-hand baseball passing it to Newsom while he was airborne out of bounds.  It was either Mansfield or Parker who missed the initial 3 but Newsom was the one that hit it right in front of the visitors bench off the Gurley save.
That was a fine play, no doubt, but Gurley's better play, IMO, came with just under 13 minutes left in the game. LBC was down 12 and rebounded a missed shot. Gurley knocked down the outlet, ran down the ball in the corner and swished a 3 in front of the MtU bench. That put us ahead by 15, started an 11-2 run and LBC never got closer than 16 the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on March 07, 2023, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 06, 2023, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on March 04, 2023, 08:58:38 PM
Just dawned on me, following a comment by the UMU announcer...  I wonder, how common is it to have three 1,000 point scorers on the same team, on the floor at the same time? ... Gurley, Parker, and Poole.  (I wasn't aware of Poole reaching the mark, but checked the UMU web page stats.)

It's not unheard of. Probably 2-3 schools in any given year do and I've even seen four 1,000-point scorers.

Jeff Mansfield has over 1500 points if you count his outstanding career at Wilma.  1...2...3...4
:o ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 10, 2023, 08:57:31 PM
North Park has a PhD program in "launch yourself into the defender when you get cut off and have no shot".
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 10, 2023, 10:13:54 PM
Congrats to Coach Fuline and the guys on Mount's first ever trip to the elite 8!  North Park came out swinging and played a helluva first half.  Mount settled in and took a lead going into half and pulled away in the 2nd half.  Opened it up and cruised to a 102-85 win.  UW-O tomorrow.  LFG.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2023, 11:16:43 PM
Congrats to the Raiders. That's one heckuva team you've got. As I said on Twitter, I'd wish you guys the best of luck, but you clearly don't need it.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 11, 2023, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2023, 11:16:43 PM
Congrats to the Raiders. That's one heckuva team you've got. As I said on Twitter, I'd wish you guys the best of luck, but you clearly don't need it.

North Park's guards were the best I've seen Mount face this year.  They're so explosive off the bounce that it seemed like it took Mount a while to adjust to that quickness.  I was confident Mount would battle back, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little concerned when NP took a double digit lead thanks to a lot of dribble penetration leading to either finishes at the rim or kick outs to wide open shooters.  Thankfully (for us) Mount settled in and played well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 11, 2023, 11:45:03 AM
the Raiders will be tough to beat when they are shooting 78% at the line
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 11, 2023, 07:53:29 PM
Watching this early on my thought on UWO is animal house-ish.  Slow and unatheltic is no way to go thru life son. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 11, 2023, 10:16:40 PM
Mount marches onto to the final 4!  78-67 over UW-O.  As happy as I am for this bar setting team it makes me a little sad for the COVID team.  The Bower-Malone led team that got derailed was so good.  Can't help but think this would be the 2nd final 4 team but the results are what they are.  This group has again gone to new levels!  Let's go guys!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 11, 2023, 10:52:46 PM
i agree the COVID team was final four material, and I believe they would have made it, but I am a homer.  Oshkosh presented a lot of problems with their ball movement and great shooting, but the Mount D took away many of the three opportunities that they had against Rowan.  Mount has great balance, depth and superb coaching.  They have the stuff to win it all, but you have to play the game and it will be exciting for the team and the fans.  Congratulation Coach Fuline and the Raiders, and good luck in Fort Wayne. Also was great to see Pat, MR. D3, at the sessions. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on March 11, 2023, 11:30:38 PM
Random thoughts from an old guy ... back when a jump ball meant a "jump ball" and travel was one step after picking up the dribble:
- First, top of my lungs shout-out yell for the Purple Raiders Men's Basketball Team ... First ever Final Four!!!  The football nemesis, UW-Whitewater, awaits!
- So happy to have CPJ back (the MJ flying dunk from the foul line last night was incredible).
- Jeff Mansfield is such an impressive, stabilizing force for the team.
- What is the over/under as to how many seconds after Logan Hill enters the game that he has his first foul?  And then, his third?
- Braedon Poole, when he gets his moment, looks like he is the guy to stop.  Unfortunately, those moments get interrupted.  Coming from Sebring, in the 70's, I can remember when it was offensive to say (for a tournament game), "Make Hamburger out of McDonald!' ... LOL! ... My, how times have changed!!!  Braedon has been my favorite player the last couple of years.  I believe that he can be "the Man" that, when it is needed, put Mount Union on the "win' line.
- Oh ... With respect to the UW-Oshkosh game ... Has ever a Mount Union announcer said "Borchert scores" [I took some liberties there] and it wasn't a bad thing?
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 13, 2023, 01:45:42 PM
whats the FT% that Mount needs to shoot in Ft Wayne to bring home the title? +/- 75%?  or is it more of a +/- points thing?  I can see UWW trying to muck it up on Thursday, slow down the Raiders' athleticism and make it a free throw contest to get some cheap points and make Mount work at their biggest flaw.  Parker and Poole will need extreme discipline down low. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 13, 2023, 02:04:09 PM

Whitewater's #1 aim against pretty much anybody is get to the FT line.  You can be sure that'll be part of the game plan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 13, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
Was just thinking back to Nov 16 when Hope won at UWW.  Extremely even game, with both teams having 22 made FGs, 4 made 3PTs, and attempting 29 FT.  Hope won by making 24 of their FTs versus 20 by UWW. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2023, 04:16:29 PM
Congrats to Christian Parker (POY) and Mike Fuline (COY) for grabbing top honors for Region 7!!  Congrats also to Collen Gurley who earned 2nd team All-Region for Mount.  The scary thing is Parker could conceivably play 2 more seasons in Alliance. 

The JCU sophomore backcourt duo of Chicone and Frazier also earned All-Region honors to round out the OAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 14, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
by far the greatest basketball player at Mount Union, unbreakable records and a natty this weekend....LFG!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2023, 07:34:02 PM
Joe Sager does a great job this week with a Road to Fort Wayne feature:
https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/mount-union-has-20-20-vision
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2023, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 14, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
by far the greatest basketball player at Mount Union, unbreakable records and a natty this weekend....LFG!!!!

It's not that I don't love Parker or that I disagree he'll be the best player in Mount history BUT as someone who saw his final season in person Aaron Shipp was a man among boys in D3.  All-time leading scorer and two time 1st team All-American.  That's a high hurdle to clear.  Shipp was a 6'6" PF who was physically a defensive end on juice who could face up and shoot.  Parker is going to end up better than him but anyone my age would tell you Shipp woulda physically bullied anyone on this current team and scored 20+.  Luckily Parker is great and his teammates are much better so we've got a real shot! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2023, 08:42:58 PM
27% from the field.  There's bad shooting and there's pissing down your leg...
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 16, 2023, 08:54:06 PM
Maybe stop shooting from the NBA 3 pt line?  Rough, rough 1st half
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2023, 10:06:28 PM
This team!!!  Down 20 in the 1st half, shoot 1-18 from 3 and 35% overall and still will their way to a win!  Finish the job!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: edward de vere on March 16, 2023, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2023, 07:34:02 PM
Joe Sager does a great job this week with a Road to Fort Wayne feature:
https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/mount-union-has-20-20-vision

That's why he gets paid the big bucks!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2023, 10:14:38 PM
That's a total team win tonight but man, Mansfield shooting 16-18 from the line knocking down huge free throws down the stretch was incredible.  What a will to win!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: edward de vere on March 16, 2023, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2023, 10:06:28 PM
This team!!!  Down 20 in the 1st half, shoot 1-18 from 3 and 35% overall and still will their way to a win!  Finish the job!

I thought it was pretty clear going in that Mount was the better team.  However, sometimes the biscuit just won't go in the freaking basket.  (As we saw on the very first possession.)  Then Parker makes a silly third foul and a questionable fourth foul.  Ugh.

But Mount Union wins because its foul shooting was as uncharacteristically good as its field goal shooting was bad.

It's a funny old world.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2023, 10:35:12 PM
I agree Mount was the better team going in but UWW was executing and making shots.  Fortunately Fuline and the players didn't panic anywhere near as much as me as a fan.  Lol.  Stay the course and keep battling.  And they did.  Incredible fortitude tonight! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 16, 2023, 10:56:12 PM
Huge minutes from Logan Hill tonight with Parker and Poole getting into foul trouble
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on March 18, 2023, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: edward de vere on March 16, 2023, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2023, 10:06:28 PM
This team!!!  Down 20 in the 1st half, shoot 1-18 from 3 and 35% overall and still will their way to a win!  Finish the job!

I thought it was pretty clear going in that Mount was the better team.  However, sometimes the biscuit just won't go in the freaking basket.  (As we saw on the very first possession.)  Then Parker makes a silly third foul and a questionable fourth foul.  Ugh.

But Mount Union wins because its foul shooting was as uncharacteristically good as its field goal shooting was bad.

It's a funny old world.

Exactly right...it was odd. I don't know what it was but some teams just struggle shooting in an atmosphere like that (depth perception in non-gyms, new hoops, different ball, etc) , but they made the adjustment on defense and stuck to their strength of getting to the basket on offense. I was frustrated with the shot selection of 3s until you remember that is the type of basketball that got them there. Play your game Purple Raiders and you'll be in a good spot!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 12:49:38 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on March 18, 2023, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: edward de vere on March 16, 2023, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 16, 2023, 10:06:28 PM
This team!!!  Down 20 in the 1st half, shoot 1-18 from 3 and 35% overall and still will their way to a win!  Finish the job!

I thought it was pretty clear going in that Mount was the better team.  However, sometimes the biscuit just won't go in the freaking basket.  (As we saw on the very first possession.)  Then Parker makes a silly third foul and a questionable fourth foul.  Ugh.

But Mount Union wins because its foul shooting was as uncharacteristically good as its field goal shooting was bad.

It's a funny old world.

Exactly right...it was odd. I don't know what it was but some teams just struggle shooting in an atmosphere like that (depth perception in non-gyms, new hoops, different ball, etc) , but they made the adjustment on defense and stuck to their strength of getting to the basket on offense. I was frustrated with the shot selection of 3s until you remember that is the type of basketball that got them there. Play your game Purple Raiders and you'll be in a good spot!

Hopefully with an extra day of practice in the arena, the sightlines and dozens of 3 point lines on the court wont be such an issue.  Going to need some outside scoring today for the Raiders, Parker and Poole are going to have their hands full down low.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2023, 05:06:23 PM
Excellent defensive effort in the 1st half.  Should be up quite a bit more than 3 points at half, but after Thursday I am not complaining!  Newsom, Gurley and Poole all with 2 fouls so need to be a little careful.  And definitely need to tighten up the 1-6 FT shooting so far.  CNU is tough so if you would have offered me a lead at half while playing their calling card great defense I would take it every time.  The crowd being heavily skewed to Mount hopefully helps them down the stretch.  Go finish it guys! 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 05:51:38 PM
bad day to have the ugly FT shooting pop back up
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
huge missed travel call and some one-sided calls in the last minute...d3refs at its finest
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2023, 06:35:28 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 05:51:38 PM
bad day to have the ugly FT shooting pop back up

Somehow CNU was worse % wise.  If only we weren't -10 in FT attempts somehow.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hsbsballcoach7 on March 18, 2023, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
huge missed travel call and some one-sided calls in the last minute...d3refs at its finest

There were definitely some interesting calls, but Mount didn't get loose balls, gave up too many 2nd chance points and missed free throws.

Great season Purple Raiders! You've got so much to be proud of!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on March 18, 2023, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
huge missed travel call and some one-sided calls in the last minute...d3refs at its finest

There were definitely some interesting calls, but Mount didn't get loose balls, gave up too many 2nd chance points and missed free throws.

Great season Purple Raiders! You've got so much to be proud of!

two of my favorites were the non-travel call with 30 seconds left and CNU up 1, definitely not a game changing call, or the assault that Parker endured for his layup with 4 sec left.  I wont cover the extended arm on the last second layup by CNU that they called all night.  yikes....https://twitter.com/CamDancy/status/1637228429610295296
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2023, 08:56:15 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on March 18, 2023, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
huge missed travel call and some one-sided calls in the last minute...d3refs at its finest

There were definitely some interesting calls, but Mount didn't get loose balls, gave up too many 2nd chance points and missed free throws.

Great season Purple Raiders! You've got so much to be proud of!

two of my favorites were the non-travel call with 30 seconds left and CNU up 1, definitely not a game changing call, or the assault that Parker endured for his layup with 4 sec left.  I wont cover the extended arm on the last second layup by CNU that they called all night.  yikes....https://twitter.com/CamDancy/status/1637228429610295296

Calm down Suit.  They let them play all day.  Oh wait they called 359 fouls prior to that.  Not evenly called but they were called.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2023, 08:56:15 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: hsbsballcoach7 on March 18, 2023, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
huge missed travel call and some one-sided calls in the last minute...d3refs at its finest

There were definitely some interesting calls, but Mount didn't get loose balls, gave up too many 2nd chance points and missed free throws.

Great season Purple Raiders! You've got so much to be proud of!

two of my favorites were the non-travel call with 30 seconds left and CNU up 1, definitely not a game changing call, or the assault that Parker endured for his layup with 4 sec left.  I wont cover the extended arm on the last second layup by CNU that they called all night.  yikes....https://twitter.com/CamDancy/status/1637228429610295296

Calm down Suit.  They let them play all day.  Oh wait they called 359 fouls prior to that.  Not evenly called but they were called.

Mansfield literally fouled out on less of an offensive foul 80 seconds earlier.  #whyD3

congrats to CNU, they deserve it.  Mount shot themselves in the foot with the FT shooting early.  But a championship game should not be a ref show.  The D3 athletes keep getting better and better, but the refs are not keeping up
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2023, 09:16:29 PM
I jokingly said the refs were Jr High level girls refs not long ago and these clowns were somehow worse.  I'm not saying Mount shoulda won but I'm saying w zero regret or hesitation that these refs were completely overmatched.  Clearly.  No objective observer would think that game was called well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2023, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2023, 09:16:29 PM
I jokingly said the refs were Jr High level girls refs not long ago and these clowns were somehow worse.  I'm not saying Mount shoulda won but I'm saying w zero regret or hesitation that these refs were completely overmatched.  Clearly.  No objective observer would think that game was called well.

Dave McHugh and I both think the game was called well.

Great run for Mount Union! It's been fun to watch these guys in person the past two weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 19, 2023, 08:52:01 AM
Haven't heard a single person not wearing purple who's said one word about refs. They were definitely better than the guys in UMU's semifinal. They regularly do D1 games and were, by far, the highest rated crew in d3 this year.

You got some tough calls, for sure, but not the ones in the last minute. Given the game plan to be as physical as possible from start to finish, you have to accept the whistles that come with it. I don't think there was a player on the floor who didn't get away with a foul or two.

I thought Mansfield's 5th should've been a no call, but a lot of people much closer to it said they feel different. That's absolutely the worst way to lose a game, but the only thing to blame is the clock. Feels like one that was destined to be won by whoever got the last shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2023, 09:52:45 AM
To add to this, at the airport to head home and chatted with one of the coaches who had a player in the All-Star Game... that coach also thought the game was called well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: nescac1 on March 19, 2023, 10:03:14 AM
I had no rooting interest in the game and did not watch enough to have a view of the overall reffing but I did think that last play probably should have been called an offensive foul.  It's a REALLY hard thing to call in real time, in that situation, amidst a lot of chaos and you hate to wave off a game winning basket, so you can't kill the refs for the no-call, but it was just such a blatant push off, on the ball, from a huge strong guy barreling down the lane against a perfectly-positioned defender, and it certainly is what allowed him to get a clean shot off.  It was by any definition a foul, the only question is, "do you let it go in that situation?"  If the argument is, guys were doing that all game (which I can't opine on) and refs let it all go, then I think it's ultimately OK.  But I do think viewed in isolation it's at least fair for Mount Union fans to feel upset to lose on that play (especially after the prior play which I thought while less clear did look like an and-one). 

In the end both teams were awesome all year and just tough that one has to lose, both were championship caliber teams (and of course as an Eph fan I know how painful the last four seconds can be, albeit without controversy in that case).  If all-American teams were released a day later I'm guessing Barber is at least one team higher.  He's like the Embiid of D3, such a dominant presence, and they sure were a totally different team in the games he missed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2023, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2023, 06:35:28 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 18, 2023, 05:51:38 PM
bad day to have the ugly FT shooting pop back up

Somehow CNU was worse % wise.  If only we weren't -10 in FT attempts somehow.

That happens when one team attacks the basket as much as they do. From Dave's and my perspective, some of those calls were on Mount Union guys pushing with their off hand -- maybe they get away with those on some nights but it wasn't the case yesterday. :shrug emoji:
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2023, 11:57:07 AM
Quote from: nescac1 on March 19, 2023, 10:03:14 AM
If all-American teams were released a day later I'm guessing Barber is at least one team higher. 

Certainly possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on March 19, 2023, 01:37:35 PM
There were some calls that fans did not like against both teams, but you can't let it come down to a one call, either way.  As a Mount lifer, I thought it was an offensive foul, but that's how a fan thinks.  On the other hand, a no call lets the kids win or lose, and, in essence, this was a no call as it had no effect on the shot.  Mount, IMO, gave them confidence by allowing them to get back in it before halftime and from there on, it was a dog fight.  CNU did a good job taking away easy looks for threes. 
I once asked a veteran official, "What if, after you whistle, you get caught and are not sure if a block or charge, but you have to make a call?"...He said, it was usually close to traveling and that was his call, because normally in that case the ball handler would stumble...
I would have loved to seen OT.
Thanks to Mount guys, a bunch of really good kids and Coach Fuline, one of the finest in America.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2023, 02:14:33 PM
If he'd stopped backpedaling and taken the hit, they'd have been forced to call something, but that didn't happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2023, 12:20:21 PM
I agree with Pat. After watching the Twitter gif of Barber's arm going up and into Parker's chest, I'm fairly (but not 100%) sure that it was an offensive foul -- but the fact that Parker was backpedaling at the time gave the officials the luxury of not having to blow the whistle and thereby decide the national championship based upon that whistle, because it's impossible to say how much (if any) force was applied by Barber to accelerate Parker's self-propelled movement backwards.

I'm always one to argue that officials should call the final thirty seconds of a game the exact same way that it was called in the previous 39:30. But, given the stakes, I understand the human element involved, and I entirely sympathize with the officials. Until the day comes when we can have robots officiate a national championship game, a natty can only be decided by an official's call if the foul is clear and conclusive ... and, because of Parker's backpedaling, that foul wasn't.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 20, 2023, 02:26:07 PM
To add to GS and Pat's input - while Parker may have drawn the foul if he had stopped backpeddling and taken the hit, he's also likely thinking "I can't foul this guy and cost us the chmpionship".  A two point loss at the buzzer is excruciating for sure, but having the players decide the game (Parker could have blocked the shot, Barber could have misssed) versus a never-ending arguement over a charge/block kind of call would be worse I'm sure.   
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on March 20, 2023, 04:58:13 PM
We were 11-for-18 at the line, including missing the front end of at least 1+1. Let's start there before we start pointing fingers.
Really, the only whistles that fired me up were 1) the timeout granted to CNU, which clearly came after the 5-second violation whistle, and 2) the foul call from behind the play on the loose ball scramble at midcourt.
The official who granted the timeout, in my opinion, was out of his element.
The charge call on Newsom could have easily been a travel (the defensive player did not establish legal guarding position but Newsom was out of control); I was on the wrong side of the court to see Gurley's push-off and Mansfield's offensive foul was a 50-50 play; but we all know NCAA officials will call player-control 90 percent of the time. Ask Jay Bilas.
And, truthfully, CP had a blocked shot or two in the first half that could have been fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2023, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2023, 12:20:21 PM
it's impossible to say how much (if any) force was applied by Barber to accelerate Parker's self-propelled movement backwards.

Yes, I agree with this one as well. I ran into a game official at the airport yesterday, showed him our video from YouTube with the sideline angle, and he was completely on board with the no-call.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2023, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on March 20, 2023, 04:58:13 PM
1) the timeout granted to CNU, which clearly came after the 5-second violation whistle,

The timeout was granted after the whistle, but it was asked for before the whistle. There has to be an allowance for the human lag between when an official hears the request for a timeout and has a chance to blow the whistle.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 20, 2023, 11:18:35 PM
Watched the last possession numerous times.  Didn't see a travel.  Barber did push off as the video showed but that's a no call IMO.  If Barber had stopped and popped a jumper off the space created from the push off I'd be mad, but he didn't.  They're not gonna call an offensive foul there and I'm ok w that.  As someone mentioned, make your FT before then.  Brutal way to lose but no one wants a FT deciding it there.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: purple on March 21, 2023, 08:15:09 PM
 Went to the game. Mount Union had superior athletes. They should have won. More talent, no knock on CNP, who played with a great heart. There were about 100 New P's there in the whole place. Nice place, the seats were wonderful and the pre-game spread set out by the Purple staff was great. We were the better team. I thought we bitched too much at the refs. The coach didn't but player(s) did. When the Refs turned into, "touch me not" refs. It changed the game. I heard a TV executive tell the refs to." slow the game down", in the second half. He told them there wasn't enough advertising time used in the first half and they, "needed to get with the program." That's the real reason the second half lasted twice as long. Big TV put the arm on the Refs.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 21, 2023, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 20, 2023, 11:18:35 PM
Watched the last possession numerous times.  Didn't see a travel.  Barber did push off as the video showed but that's a no call IMO.  If Barber had stopped and popped a jumper off the space created from the push off I'd be mad, but he didn't.  They're not gonna call an offensive foul there and I'm ok w that.  As someone mentioned, make your FT before then.  Brutal way to lose but no one wants a FT deciding it there.

Mount let CNU back in the game by missing the front end of multiple 1-and-1's in the first half.  Huge momentum swing.  Mount just has to play better in the last 1:30 to overcome the 50:50 calls that all seemed to favor CNU.  The Mansfield "charge", immediately the 5 sec vs TO call, the no-travel call on CNU at midcourt, the play-on call on Parkers lay-up and the no-call on the extended arm on the winning drive.  Mount just has to play better
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2023, 09:43:43 AM
Quote from: purple on March 21, 2023, 08:15:09 PM
I heard a TV executive tell the refs to." slow the game down", in the second half. He told them there wasn't enough advertising time used in the first half and they, "needed to get with the program." That's the real reason the second half lasted twice as long. Big TV put the arm on the Refs.

I laugh at the thought, even tongue-in-cheek, that there's a TV executive that is at the game. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 22, 2023, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2023, 09:43:43 AM
Quote from: purple on March 21, 2023, 08:15:09 PM
I heard a TV executive tell the refs to." slow the game down", in the second half. He told them there wasn't enough advertising time used in the first half and they, "needed to get with the program." That's the real reason the second half lasted twice as long. Big TV put the arm on the Refs.

I laugh at the thought, even tongue-in-cheek, that there's a TV executive that is at the game. :)

Maybe he was thinking you!!!!    Congrats!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2023, 11:42:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2023, 09:43:43 AM
Quote from: purple on March 21, 2023, 08:15:09 PM
I heard a TV executive tell the refs to." slow the game down", in the second half. He told them there wasn't enough advertising time used in the first half and they, "needed to get with the program." That's the real reason the second half lasted twice as long. Big TV put the arm on the Refs.

I laugh at the thought, even tongue-in-cheek, that there's a TV executive that is at the game. :)

Keep in mind that the word "purple" has more than one meaning. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 31, 2023, 02:34:00 PM
Mount should be attacking the portal, great chance to win it all in '24
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 31, 2023, 05:01:10 PM
Parker is obviously back, but does Painter have the option to come back if he chooses?  This was his 4th year I believe.  Regardless, we know Fuline can recruit so I'm sleeping easy. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2023, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 31, 2023, 05:01:10 PM
Parker is obviously back, but does Painter have the option to come back if he chooses?  This was his 4th year I believe.  Regardless, we know Fuline can recruit so I'm sleeping easy.

Gurley has the option to come back. I'd they'd won, I suspect he would've been done. Now, I think there's a decent chance he uses his fifth year. I believe Painter can be back, as well. The team was talking like he'd be back, during the championship weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on April 01, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 31, 2023, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 31, 2023, 05:01:10 PM
Parker is obviously back, but does Painter have the option to come back if he chooses?  This was his 4th year I believe.  Regardless, we know Fuline can recruit so I'm sleeping easy.

Gurley has the option to come back. I'd they'd won, I suspect he would've been done. Now, I think there's a decent chance he uses his fifth year. I believe Painter can be back, as well. The team was talking like he'd be back, during the championship weekend.

I would think that Mount would be a trendy spot for D3 transfers, given their location, the fact that one of the best players in D3 returns and Fuline is an absolute dawg
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 28, 2023, 06:17:24 PM
https://twitter.com/JackClement23/status/1652056543410499586?s=20

OWU's Jack Clement headed to John Carroll. Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on May 18, 2023, 01:58:35 PM
https://twitter.com/CollenGurley2/status/1659256029325008907

Collen Gurley is back for one last year
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 19, 2023, 11:37:24 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on May 18, 2023, 01:58:35 PM
https://twitter.com/CollenGurley2/status/1659256029325008907

Collen Gurley is back for one last year

Never bad to have an All-Region player back.  Nice 1-2 combo with Parker.  I have been keeping an eye out for any transfer activity, but haven't seen anything.  I did see that McKinley PG Jahlil Graham "committed" so that should give them a solid depth piece in the backcourt. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 19, 2023, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 28, 2023, 06:17:24 PM
https://twitter.com/JackClement23/status/1652056543410499586?s=20

OWU's Jack Clement headed to John Carroll. Wow.

The Transfer board says Jack Clement may be rethinking JCU and deleted his tweet.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 24, 2023, 09:35:38 PM
Massillon star 6'6" wing Elijah Farrington has committed to Mount.  Fuline has it humming.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on May 25, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
McK and Massillon in the recruiting class?  Fuline might be able to run for office in Stark County after this works out
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on May 26, 2023, 01:13:01 PM
Diego Allen from Alliance is also coming.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on May 26, 2023, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on May 26, 2023, 01:13:01 PM
Diego Allen from Alliance is also coming.
6'7"...love the athletic height coming in
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 30, 2023, 10:03:05 AM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on May 26, 2023, 01:13:01 PM
Diego Allen from Alliance is also coming.

Another nice win for Fuline.  All season I was quietly hoping they'd land Allen.  He's 6'7" but on top of that he's 230 lbs and led the area in rebounding at 9.7 rpg to go along with 15.5 ppg.  I like the idea of a kid with some physicality to bang with oppositions' bigs defensively instead of wearing down Parker.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on August 10, 2023, 10:20:24 AM
If Twitter is to be believed soph. backup PG Mick Hergenrother is headed to Westminster.  He got a little time as a freshman last season, but I'm guessing when your classmate (Hudson) plays a ton of minutes at your position you have a tough choice to make.  Plus with Jahlil Graham coming in that's another PG that's potentially going to be pushing for minutes right away.  Good luck to Mick.  Hope he kicks a** in the PAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on September 21, 2023, 11:57:33 AM
Mount Union has posted its 2023-24 schedule. The roster hasn't been posted, however:

Nov 10 (Fri)   7 pm   Away (Chatham) Gwynedd Mercy
Nov 11 (Sat)   2 pm   Away      Chatham
Nov 15 (Wed)   7 pm   Away      Scranton
Nov 18 (Sat)   2 pm   Home      Pitt-Greensburg
Nov 22 (Wed)   6 pm   Home      Wooster
Dec 2 (Sat)    2 pm   Home      Wilmington
Dec 6 (Wed)    7 pm   Away      Muskingum
Dec 9 (Sat)    2 pm   Away      Ohio Northern
Dec 16 (Sat)   2 pm   Home      Capital
Dec 19 (Tue)   7 pm   at Eckerd (Fla.) Berea
Dec 20 (Wed)   5 pm at Eckerd Saint John's
Jan 3 (Wed)    7 pm   Home      Baldwin Wallace
Jan 6 (Sat)    2 pm   Away      Otterbein
Jan 10 (Wed)   7 pm   Away      John Carroll
Jan 13 (Sat)   2 pm   Home      Heidelberg
Jan 17 (Wed)   7 pm   Home      Marietta
Jan 20 (Sat)   2 pm   Away      Wilmington
Jan 24 (Wed)   7 pm   Away      Baldwin Wallace
Jan 27 (Sat)   2 pm   Home      Ohio Northern
Jan 31 (Wed)   7 pm   Home      Muskingum
Feb 3 (Sat)    2 pm   Away      Capital
Feb 7 (Wed)    7 pm   Home      John Carroll
Feb 10 (Sat)   2 pm   Away      Heidelberg
Feb 14 (Wed)   7 pm   Away      Marietta
Feb 17 (Sat)   2 pm   Home      Otterbein
Feb 20 (Tue)   OAC Tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 21, 2023, 12:27:18 PM
Along with Jack Clement transferring to Otterbein, I've been told 2nd leading scorer (12.4) and rebounder (5.5), senior Dallas Patrick, is returning for a 5th year, in addition to a couple of transfers that could have immediate impacts.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on September 21, 2023, 06:10:37 PM
Ott is going to have a solid squad with Clement mixed in with Evans, Patrick and Heckman.  Clement to JCU would have been a big problem.  I have my doubts it'll be enough to get Ott up with Mount and JCU this year, but they'll definitely be improved and interesting at a minimum.  I'm curious to see what the other schools have done in the way of transfers.  I saw Etta landed a solid player from Adrian.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 04, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Watching a couple social media clips of Mount workouts I couldn't help but notice that Darrell Newsom was in them.  Gurley returning is huge, but Newsom would be equally huge in the overall makeup of the team.  He is their best perimeter defender (OAC DPOY) and shot 46.5% from deep last year.  I was bemoaning him being gone after the season because I enjoy watching him play so this would be great news as a fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 10, 2023, 04:27:58 PM
According to the transfers page on here ONU lost both Napier and Long.  That would be a massive blow, especially Napier.  The surprising thing (shocking to me) was that both went to D1 schools.  Napier to UD and Long to UC.  Having watched ONU multiple times each of the last few years I did not see anyone I thought was playing in the wrong division.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2023, 08:21:02 PM
Perhaps they just couldn't handle all of that Ada nightlife, and needed to go somewhere that poses fewer distractions from their schoolwork, such as Dayton or Cincinnati.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onufan on October 11, 2023, 06:19:40 PM
Both guys graduated summa cum laude from ONU. ONU didn't have a Masters program that made sense for them. Both talked to several OAC schools but the graduate programs were better for them at UD and UC. Neither made the transfer decision based only on basketball opportunity and now both are enjoying life at the D1 level.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 11, 2023, 09:02:02 PM
That's awesome.  If you can get your Masters and play some more hoops that's a win win.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on October 17, 2023, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 04, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Watching a couple social media clips of Mount workouts I couldn't help but notice that Darrell Newsom was in them.  Gurley returning is huge, but Newsom would be equally huge in the overall makeup of the team.  He is their best perimeter defender (OAC DPOY) and shot 46.5% from deep last year.  I was bemoaning him being gone after the season because I enjoy watching him play so this would be great news as a fan.

Yes ... Amen!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on October 22, 2023, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 04, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Watching a couple social media clips of Mount workouts I couldn't help but notice that Darrell Newsom was in them.  Gurley returning is huge, but Newsom would be equally huge in the overall makeup of the team.  He is their best perimeter defender (OAC DPOY) and shot 46.5% from deep last year.  I was bemoaning him being gone after the season because I enjoy watching him play so this would be great news as a fan.

https://x.com/MountUnion_MBB/status/1716236132403327064?s=20
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 24, 2023, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on October 22, 2023, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 04, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Watching a couple social media clips of Mount workouts I couldn't help but notice that Darrell Newsom was in them.  Gurley returning is huge, but Newsom would be equally huge in the overall makeup of the team.  He is their best perimeter defender (OAC DPOY) and shot 46.5% from deep last year.  I was bemoaning him being gone after the season because I enjoy watching him play so this would be great news as a fan.

https://x.com/MountUnion_MBB/status/1716236132403327064?s=20

Newsome was listed as returning in the information packet given to Top 25 voters, so I'd say that's pretty good confirmation.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: mc1983 on October 24, 2023, 01:22:21 PM
Does anyone know how Newsom got a 6th year of eligibility for Mount? His first season was 2018-2019. He never transferred and D3 has no redshirts. It seemed that last season would have been his 5th "Covid" year.

https://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster/darrell-newsom/10641
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on October 24, 2023, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: mc1983 on October 24, 2023, 01:22:21 PM
Does anyone know how Newsom got a 6th year of eligibility for Mount? His first season was 2018-2019. He never transferred and D3 has no redshirts. It seemed that last season would have been his 5th "Covid" year.

https://athletics.mountunion.edu/sports/mens-basketball/roster/darrell-newsom/10641

He was listed on the roster for 18-19, but according to the stats for that year, did not appear in a single game.  Being listed on a roster does not consume a year of eligibility.  Playing minutes does (save for a medical redshirt year).  So he has played for 4 seasons and thanks to the Covid rule, has 1 year left he can play.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 24, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on October 22, 2023, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 04, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Watching a couple social media clips of Mount workouts I couldn't help but notice that Darrell Newsom was in them.  Gurley returning is huge, but Newsom would be equally huge in the overall makeup of the team.  He is their best perimeter defender (OAC DPOY) and shot 46.5% from deep last year.  I was bemoaning him being gone after the season because I enjoy watching him play so this would be great news as a fan.

https://x.com/MountUnion_MBB/status/1716236132403327064?s=20

Was that Skeriotis in there too? 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: mc1983 on October 24, 2023, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 24, 2023, 01:39:22 PMHe was listed on the roster for 18-19, but according to the stats for that year, did not appear in a single game.  Being listed on a roster does not consume a year of eligibility.  Playing minutes does (save for a medical redshirt year).  So he has played for 4 seasons and thanks to the Covid rule, has 1 year left he can play.

Isn't that a redshirt, though?

My impression has always been that Division III athletes use one of their four "seasons of participation" if they practice with their team after the first game of the season – even if they never appear in an actual game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 24, 2023, 10:36:39 PM
Quote from: mc1983 on October 24, 2023, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on October 24, 2023, 01:39:22 PMHe was listed on the roster for 18-19, but according to the stats for that year, did not appear in a single game.  Being listed on a roster does not consume a year of eligibility.  Playing minutes does (save for a medical redshirt year).  So he has played for 4 seasons and thanks to the Covid rule, has 1 year left he can play.

Isn't that a redshirt, though?

My impression has always been that Division III athletes use one of their four "seasons of participation" if they practice with their team after the first game of the season – even if they never appear in an actual game.

It's only a redshirt if he actually practiced with the team. Just because he appeared on the online roster doesn't mean that he ever attended a practice, much less participated in one.

He was probably listed as a Mount Union player in late September or early October when the roster was sent by the coaching staff to the UMU sports information office, and then he subsequently got hurt or decided not to play before actual practices began -- and the sports information staff just never removed him from the 2018-19 Raiders roster, likely because the coaching staff never bothered to tell the SID or his/her assistants to do so. That kind of thing happens more than you think.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 25, 2023, 06:42:05 AM
If he didn't play due to injury, he can get that year back. I don't know, but it could be the case here.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 25, 2023, 11:04:43 AM
I recall someone saying that he was indeed injured in 2018-19.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on October 25, 2023, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 24, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on October 22, 2023, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 04, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Watching a couple social media clips of Mount workouts I couldn't help but notice that Darrell Newsom was in them.  Gurley returning is huge, but Newsom would be equally huge in the overall makeup of the team.  He is their best perimeter defender (OAC DPOY) and shot 46.5% from deep last year.  I was bemoaning him being gone after the season because I enjoy watching him play so this would be great news as a fan.

https://x.com/MountUnion_MBB/status/1716236132403327064?s=20

Was that Skeriotis in there too?

It sure looked like him to me as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 25, 2023, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: BillyRayJimBob on October 25, 2023, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 24, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on October 22, 2023, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 04, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Watching a couple social media clips of Mount workouts I couldn't help but notice that Darrell Newsom was in them.  Gurley returning is huge, but Newsom would be equally huge in the overall makeup of the team.  He is their best perimeter defender (OAC DPOY) and shot 46.5% from deep last year.  I was bemoaning him being gone after the season because I enjoy watching him play so this would be great news as a fan.

https://x.com/MountUnion_MBB/status/1716236132403327064?s=20

Was that Skeriotis in there too?

It sure looked like him to me as well.

We're still 1 of the 2 OAC teams that doesn't have their roster posted so we will find out someday soon hopefully.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 26, 2023, 03:21:42 PM
JCU (#3) and Mount (#5) are the only OAC schools receiving votes in the initial top 25 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on October 26, 2023, 03:28:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on October 26, 2023, 03:21:42 PM
JCU (#3) and Mount (#5) are the only OAC schools receiving votes in the initial top 25 poll.
Two teams in the top 5!  :o
And you never can totally count Marietta out either. This could be a really exciting season for the conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: mc1983 on October 27, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
I also wouldn't count out Heideberg (Watkins back for a 5th year, Panning & Leitwein are seniors) as well as Otterbein (arrival of Clement) for being in the mix. One surprise regarding Otterbein is that Dallas Patrick is not on the roster - it had been assumed he was returning for a 5th year.

Worth nothing, too - Capital nearly knocked off D1 Howard in their exhibition (lost 83-79). Howard was 22-13 last year and made the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on October 29, 2023, 09:10:45 PM
Not that I'm counting them out, but there's a huge gap between the top and Berg/Ott.  The conference is just too deep for either of them to contend.  And it's not bc they aren't good teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2023, 07:46:51 PM
Unfortunate that Dallas Patrick isn't returning. There are three notable transfers coming in, so that should soften the blow.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on November 03, 2023, 09:32:43 AM
I took in the Mount Union scrimmage last night against Denison. Raiders' starters were Parker, Gurley, Newsom, Hudson and 6-8 sophomore Caleb Laurich, a transfer from Ohio Dominican who played at Copley.
Second group included Collier, McCartney and Skeriotis, plus a couple newcomers who I didn't catch their names. I believe the PG from Canton McKinley was one of them. I didn't see Diego Allen (Alliance) who I thought was joining the program.
Play on offense was a sloppy at times, which is to be expected, but the defense, rebounding and transition game were there. Mount Union won by about 6 or 8 points.
What they are missing is the hard a-- on the court who holds everyone accountable. Mansfield was that guy last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 03, 2023, 02:00:42 PM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on November 03, 2023, 09:32:43 AM
I took in the Mount Union scrimmage last night against Denison. Raiders' starters were Parker, Gurley, Newsom, Hudson and 6-8 sophomore Caleb Laurich, a transfer from Ohio Dominican who played at Copley.
Second group included Collier, McCartney and Skeriotis, plus a couple newcomers who I didn't catch their names. I believe the PG from Canton McKinley was one of them. I didn't see Diego Allen (Alliance) who I thought was joining the program.
Play on offense was a sloppy at times, which is to be expected, but the defense, rebounding and transition game were there. Mount Union won by about 6 or 8 points.
What they are missing is the hard a-- on the court who holds everyone accountable. Mansfield was that guy last year.

Thanks for the update +k

Is Painter back or did he graduate and move on?

Interesting about Allen.  I am pretty confident I've seen him, Graham and Farrington in some of the video clips they've posted.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on November 03, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
Mansfield, Painter, Poole and Hill are the players gone who played the most significant minutes last season. I think of those 4 Painter was the only one who still had a Covid year available. I thought I remembered someone saying he was offered a fairly significant internship or job in his field.
I didn't see Adam Chaney last night nor am I aware of his status.
Obviously, guys may have been injured or sick and not in the gym.
One would hope the roster is posted on the website sometime next week, considering the opener is Friday night. But, that's a "dang I miss Lenny" conversation for another time.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2023, 10:28:00 PM
https://www.oac.org/sports/mbkb/2023-24/releases/Preseason_Poll_2023

Mount and JCU in a dead heat.

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 05, 2023, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on November 03, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
Mansfield, Painter, Poole and Hill are the players gone who played the most significant minutes last season. I think of those 4 Painter was the only one who still had a Covid year available. I thought I remembered someone saying he was offered a fairly significant internship or job in his field.
I didn't see Adam Chaney last night nor am I aware of his status.
Obviously, guys may have been injured or sick and not in the gym.
One would hope the roster is posted on the website sometime next week, considering the opener is Friday night. But, that's a "dang I miss Lenny" conversation for another time.

Most of the time I give the benefit of the doubt that the coaches haven't provided their final final roster yet, but I find it hard to believe that 5 days before the first game Fuline doesn't know who is on the roster this week.  Also, the women's roster is not posted yet either.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2023, 12:23:02 PM
I find there are a lot of rosters not posted yet. It's odd, but I suppose it's not uncommon, apparently.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 05, 2023, 01:15:27 PM
I get it with football, especially at Mount where you have 200 players and quite a few kids are leaving the program before week 1.  But hoops we're talking about a handful of new guys that'll be listed on the varsity roster plus the returners.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 06, 2023, 01:41:29 PM
Rosters are posted.  No real surprises.  Diego Allen is on the roster so that's good news.  Also noticed Mansfield is an asst. coach this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 06, 2023, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 06, 2023, 01:41:29 PM
Rosters are posted.  No real surprises.  Diego Allen is on the roster so that's good news.  Also noticed Mansfield is an asst. coach this season.

a lot of unlisted heights/weights for our Raiders.  But it seems like there is some new size on the roster from reading the tea leaves
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on November 08, 2023, 11:50:44 AM
One other transfer I overlooked is 6-2 junior Marcus Steele, a Solon kid who played 2 years at Central State. He averaged 6.9 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.6 assists per game in 52 games (45 starts).
It looks like Hudson, Gurley, Newsom, Parker and Laurich as starters, with Skeriotis, Steele, McCartney and Collier the first four off the bench. Have to see how Jahlil Graham, the PG from Canton McKinley, and Diego Allen adapt to the college game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 10, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
Raiders open things up at 5:00pm over in Pittsburgh.  I'm afraid if I don't watch live there won't be an archived video since it's hosted by Chatham and they aren't playing Chatham today.  Oh well, worst case I watch against Chatham tomorrow I suppose.

All heights/weights are on the roster.  Some nice size added to the roster.

FR Easton Shanholtz - 6'6", 200
FR Elijah Farrington - 6'6" , 230
SO Caleb Laurich - 6'7" , 200
FR Diego Allen - 6'6" , 220
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 10, 2023, 05:02:33 PM
https://www.pacdigitalnetwork.com/chatham/

for the Raiders fans at home

the boys look big
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on November 10, 2023, 05:49:06 PM
rough 1st half, definitely losing in the effort department
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2023, 07:02:38 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on November 10, 2023, 05:02:33 PM
https://www.pacdigitalnetwork.com/chatham/

for the Raiders fans at home

the boys look big

Wow. This site said a 7 pm game (eastern?). Apparently it's going to OT at 78. GM hit a 3 with about 3 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 11, 2023, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on November 10, 2023, 05:49:06 PM
rough 1st half, definitely losing in the effort department

Yeah, I watched most of the game and that was my main thought too.  They did not shoot well (30% at half) and in the first half they seemed to lack any urgency defensively.  The first half looked like it was a scrimmage for one team and a tournament game for the other.  Luckily they battled back and got it done, but definitely would expect to see a much better overall performance today.  Game 1 rust is gone and they get to come right back and play this afternoon.

It's game 1 so I know I shouldn't worry, but since it's been a recurring problem the Raiders were 12-25 on FT in the 2nd half/OT.

Nice collegiate debut for Graham.  Team high 4 assists to go with 4 reb and 15 pts on 4-8 shooting including 3-5 from deep.  Played 6th man minutes with 25 min logged.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 12, 2023, 11:30:08 AM
Etta with that early "hey, don't overlook us" win over CNU yesterday.  CNU is 1-2 out of the gate, but obviously they're still really good.

Mount put together a much more consistent effort and beat Chatham 97-73.  Shot the ball much better Saturday.  They jumped out to a double digit lead early on and were never really threatened.  Parker and Hudson had 16 apiece to lead the scoring.  Laurich was an efficient 5-6 FG to add 10 and 6 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk.  Nice game for him early on.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: mc1983 on November 14, 2023, 12:39:51 PM
Marietta win over CNU was an absolute fight to the finish. Not the prettiest game you'll ever watch, but both teams are physical and athletic. CNU still looking to find that spark that they had at the end of last season. Marietta defense frustrated Hines and Barber most of the night and forced a lot of bad shots.

We'll learn a lot more about Marietta based on the results vs. Calvin and IWU. Brutal schedule to start the season - not to mention a date at Heidelberg in early December
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 16, 2023, 10:57:14 AM
Mount moves to 3-0 with another OT win at Scranton 80-76.  I don't know anything about Scranton, but looking at their past season records it looks like they're usually pretty good.  Parker carried the bulk of the weight with 33 points on 16-23 shooting.  Gurley and Newsom have not shot overly well in these early games so once they settle in the offense is going to score in bunches.  Not worried about that.  Defensively they're allowing 45% FG and 41.7% 3 pt FG.  Last year teams shot 30% from 3 against them so hopefully that number trends toward the norm as we move on this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 20, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
Looking at the early standings the OAC is off to a nice start OOC.  29-7 overall record so far.  BW is the only team with a losing record at 1-2, however, their two losses are by a combined 7 points to a pair of 4-0 teams (Geneva & Trine).

Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 21, 2023, 11:08:48 PM
Not a great night for the OAC overall.  I shouldn't have touted to ooc record I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2023, 07:19:05 AM
I think the WIAC and CCIW around .500.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on November 23, 2023, 08:35:01 AM
Raiders played really well last night in a 75-51 win over Wooster. Dante Collier scored a career-high 23 points off the bench and Caleb Laurich had 12 rebounds and four blocked shots. Christian Parker limited to 15 minutes because of foul trouble in the first half and aggravating an ankle injury in the second half, but he had six points and eight rebounds. Wooster shot just 28.6% from the field in a very physical game.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on November 23, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
Had a family thing going on last evening, so I did not get to the Mount basketball game until after it was over.
Looking at the box score, you answered my question regarding Parker.
However, what about Skeriotis?  My good eye did not see him as having participated.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on November 27, 2023, 11:34:46 AM
He did not, honestly, I don't remember seeing him during pregame.
Graham, the freshman from Canton McKinley, reminds me of D'Vontay Friga as a sixth man. He hasn't developed into the pure shooter/scorer that D'Vontay was - yet - but he's a beast on the defensive end and can transition the ball really well. He gets the ball into the hands of the scorers.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 27, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on November 27, 2023, 11:34:46 AM
He did not, honestly, I don't remember seeing him during pregame.
Graham, the freshman from Canton McKinley, reminds me of D'Vontay Friga as a sixth man. He hasn't developed into the pure shooter/scorer that D'Vontay was - yet - but he's a beast on the defensive end and can transition the ball really well. He gets the ball into the hands of the scorers.

The thing I like about Graham so far is that he doesn't force shots if they aren't there.  He's currently tops of the guys that play a lot in FG (62.5%), 3 pt (53.3%) and FT (77.8%) shooting.  He doesn't play like a freshman early on. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 28, 2023, 02:30:32 PM
The first in-season top 25 is out.  JCU remains #3.  Mount moves up a spot to #4.  Etta jumps into the fray at #19 thanks to their nice start.  No other OAC teams received votes this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on November 28, 2023, 05:07:48 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on November 28, 2023, 02:30:32 PM
The first in-season top 25 is out.  JCU remains #3.  Mount moves up a spot to #4.  Etta jumps into the fray at #19 thanks to their nice start.  No other OAC teams received votes this week.

Two top 5 teams is great for the conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 28, 2023, 09:14:49 PM
For yrs the OAC has been a meat grinder in hoops bc of the depth but having 3 top 20 and 2 top 5 teams is amazing.  It's gonna be a fun hoops season!  Hopefully get 3 ncaa tourney bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on November 30, 2023, 09:34:11 AM
Cap started out 6-0, but I wanted to see how they did at #9 Case last night.  Lost 94-87.  It was 84-81 with under 3 minutes left though so Cap played tough.  Especially after being down 20+ early in the 2nd half.  Seems Coach Goodwin may have a solid squad this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 02, 2023, 11:12:31 PM
Mount finds themselves in last place out of the gate w an 80-79 loss to Wilm.  Sure it sucks that Wilm took the lead on an 18 ft runner and then a wet spot on the floor costs you the inbounds pass to try to win but waaay too bad of 3 pt shooting and way waaaaay too many layups given up.  I'm a huge Mount homer but they aren't a top 10 team today.  It it what it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: JCUStreaks70 on December 05, 2023, 10:09:14 AM
For the first time ever, JCU comes in at #1!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 05, 2023, 01:25:49 PM
That's awesome for the Streaks!

Seems the voters and I are on the same page as Mount dropped to #11 this week.

Etta drops out after their somewhat surprising lopsided loss to Berg on Saturday.  Not taking anything away from Berg, they're a good squad, just surprised by the margin.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on December 05, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 02, 2023, 11:12:31 PM
Mount finds themselves in last place out of the gate w an 80-79 loss to Wilm.  Sure it sucks that Wilm took the lead on an 18 ft runner and then a wet spot on the floor costs you the inbounds pass to try to win but waaay too bad of 3 pt shooting and way waaaaay too many layups given up.  I'm a huge Mount homer but they aren't a top 10 team today.  It it what it is.

been pretty consistent this year, especially for such a veteran team.  I hope that a leader or two will step up and get the boys back on track soon
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: mc1983 on December 06, 2023, 01:26:39 PM
I feel like some underrated how important Mansfield was to Mount last season. He took them from a very good team to an elite one. Poole also helped to stretch the defense and take the attention off of Parker. Mount will still be top 4 in the OAC, but I feel like between Marietta, Heidelberg and them - there may not be that much separation. Capital and Otterbein will have something to say about that too.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 06, 2023, 02:52:36 PM

Mansfield was incredibly valuable in their Feb/March run. It took a while for them to get him worked in. They didn't look a ton different at this time last year as they do now. UMU needs to figure out roles to realize their potential, but it's definitely possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 08, 2023, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: mc1983 on December 06, 2023, 01:26:39 PM
I feel like some underrated how important Mansfield was to Mount last season. He took them from a very good team to an elite one. Poole also helped to stretch the defense and take the attention off of Parker. Mount will still be top 4 in the OAC, but I feel like between Marietta, Heidelberg and them - there may not be that much separation. Capital and Otterbein will have something to say about that too.

Poole's biggest (probably underappreciated) contribution last year was his defensive versatility.  He was tall/long enough to be a rim protector but athletic enough to switch and guard perimeter players on the wing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: mc1983 on December 09, 2023, 11:10:54 PM
Close shaves today for Mount Union and JCU. Marietta was also down at halftime before pulling away from Wilmington. The cliche about "no easy nights in the OAC" certainly seems to hold true this season.

Berg is probably the most consistent team right now, at least in conference play. Two big wins over Marietta and @Otterbein to their credit.

Still waiting to get a great read at where JCU stands at the moment. Besides a quality PSU-Harrisburg squad, there's not much on that schedule to date. Will be curious if Wilmington can push them next weekend. Quakers have some athletes!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 10, 2023, 08:22:16 AM

That's largely why I haven't wanted to vote JCU #1 just yet.  Even going back to last year, they don't really have a signature win.  They lost in the conference tourney.  They dropped the game at Mount Union.  Every chance they've had to really make a statement, didn't come through.  Not that they aren't tremendous, but you want to see the team grab a high pressure game and just handle business.  Hampden-Sydney coming in will definitely be a big opportunity to do that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 10, 2023, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: mc1983 on December 09, 2023, 11:10:54 PM
Close shaves today for Mount Union and JCU. Marietta was also down at halftime before pulling away from Wilmington. The cliche about "no easy nights in the OAC" certainly seems to hold true this season.

Berg is probably the most consistent team right now, at least in conference play. Two big wins over Marietta and @Otterbein to their credit.

Still waiting to get a great read at where JCU stands at the moment. Besides a quality PSU-Harrisburg squad, there's not much on that schedule to date. Will be curious if Wilmington can push them next weekend. Quakers have some athletes!

Mount was not pretty in Ada.  Jumped out early to a nice lead, but then ONU just started hammering them on the offensive glass for a stretch and Mount could not score at the other end and ONU took an 11 point lead in the 2nd half.  Gurley hit back to back threes to cut it to 5 and that settled them down.  Then it was just a rock fight down the stretch.  Fuline had Gurley start posting up the smaller ONU guards late and he drew fouls or kicked out to an open Parker for a couple threes.  This was one of the games where Gurley and Parker were the best two players on the floor and they just dragged their team over the goal line for a road win.  Parker and Gurley:  13-19 FG (68%) and 5-9 threes (56%).  Rest of the team:  9-28 FG (32%) and 0-6 threes.

I watched very little of the Musky game since it was out of hand by the time I left work so they may have looked much different that night, but the last two Saturdays they've looked a little disjointed.  Just not consistent execution on either end.  As Ryan mentioned probably still trying to figure out some roles and integrate Laurich, but they're also a veteran team with 3 key starters back and a PG who played a lot of crunch time minutes last year off the bench so I wasn't expecting quite this disjointed.  And yes, I realize I'm complaining and they're 7-1.  Haha.  It's a compliment...I'm treating Fuline and the hoops program like football now!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on December 11, 2023, 01:36:58 PM
Just a few, disjointed, thoughts:
- Darrell Newsom, a career 43% shooter from 3, is shooting 32.5% this season. He's still a beast on defense.
- Christian Parker HAS to shoot better than 53% at the foul line or it's going to turn into Hack-A-Shaq.
- Caleb Laurich will hopefully look to score more as he acclimates into the offense. He's shooting 56% from the field but averaging just 5 FGA/game and is shooting below 50% at the line
- Jahlil Graham and Marcus Steele bring a lot of energy off the bench.
- I mentioned before that they are missing the Alpha Male that Jeffrey Mansfield became last year. He wasn't afraid to get in guys' faces and hold them accountable. Graham and Laurich, I believe, have that in them.
- I'm anxious to see how they play in early January. Last year they got smoked at Heidelberg in the OAC opener, then came back from Christmas break and were a couple of plays from going undefeated the rest of the way. They have JCU, 'Berg, 'Etta and Wilmington in an 11-day stretch in mid-January. We will learn a lot in that stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 12, 2023, 10:59:28 AM
JCU remained #1 by a single vote this week.  Mount dropped a couple more spots to #13.  Etta and Berg are receiving votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 16, 2023, 08:49:32 PM
Mount goes to half up 43-33 on Cap and wins 79-68.  They did not shoot well from 3 again.  The only reason they shot over 30% was thanks to Laurich's buzzer heave going in at half.  Gurley and Collier were a combined 1-10 from 3.  At some point in the season we might have to just say "yeah they just don't have any great shooters."  A bunch of guys shooting 30-35% is fine but let's not pretend those are the numbers of legit great shooters.  And it bleeds into game play because they can go for long stretches without a made FG because they don't have great shooters.  They get out and run, they crash the offensive glass, etc. so they make it work but straight up they just aren't a strong half court make jump shots team.  Skeriotis started today and played well.  12 pts on 5-9 shooting including a couple 3's.  They may need more of him.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on December 20, 2023, 10:50:56 PM
Mount coasted to a couple pretty easy wins in FL yesterday and today to move to 10-1.  Looks like SJU was 8-2 coming in so a solid win I'm guessing.  That Wilm loss is aging like ground beef in the sun though.  The Quakers are now 1-3 in OAC play.

JCU did not fair well at home against R-M so their days at #1 are over for the moment.  Poor shooting from deep sunk the Streaks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on December 21, 2023, 09:54:17 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on December 20, 2023, 10:50:56 PM
Mount coasted to a couple pretty easy wins in FL yesterday and today to move to 10-1.  Looks like SJU was 8-2 coming in so a solid win I'm guessing.  That Wilm loss is aging like ground beef in the sun though.  The Quakers are now 1-3 in OAC play.

JCU did not fair well at home against R-M so their days at #1 are over for the moment.  Poor shooting from deep sunk the Streaks.
That was a brutal game. hitting 2 3-pointers definitely didn't help, nor did going under 50% from the free throw line
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 21, 2024, 03:57:48 PM
it seems like Collen Gurley has disappeared nearly as long as the d3boards.  Hopefully, now that the boards are back Mount's number two can show back up for these OAC tourny games
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 24, 2024, 02:42:45 PM
I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that poor free throw shooting and nearly zero production from your senior stars is killing Mount in the OAC title game
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 24, 2024, 04:56:52 PM
Incredible comeback for the Raiders only to get bit by D3refs.  Wild that this team could either win a title or miss the tournament entirely
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: bluestreak66 on February 26, 2024, 04:57:57 PM
Very odd not to see multiple OAC teams in the tournament. Really tough for Mount to lose a game like that and be left on the outside looking in. Maybe a couple less bid thieves and they'd be getting ready for a game Friday.
Can't wait to see how far John Carroll can go! When they're on, I truly believe they can beat anyone in the country. Let's just hope they can really bring it and make a deep run!
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2024, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 24, 2024, 04:56:52 PMIncredible comeback for the Raiders only to get bit by D3refs.  Wild that this team could either win a title or miss the tournament entirely

Not too terribly long ago I would have been pumped to finish 20-7 and OAC runner-up.  But that's not the standard today and I'd imagine that the team is as disappointed as anyone that they didn't make the NCAA tourney.  Coming into the season I frankly didn't think that was even a realistic threat.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 27, 2024, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2024, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 24, 2024, 04:56:52 PMIncredible comeback for the Raiders only to get bit by D3refs.  Wild that this team could either win a title or miss the tournament entirely

Not too terribly long ago I would have been pumped to finish 20-7 and OAC runner-up.  But that's not the standard today and I'd imagine that the team is as disappointed as anyone that they didn't make the NCAA tourney.  Coming into the season I frankly didn't think that was even a realistic threat.

With the talent back for the Raiders, I can't help but think that there were times that they were "just going through the motions" and planning to turn it on when needed. For the life of me, I can't explain the number of single digit point totals from Newsome and Gurley.  Both were great in the last couple of games, but the season numbers don't lie.  Newsome at least gave you pretty good defense each night.  Hopefully its a learning lesson for Fuline and the returning players (Parker?)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2024, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 27, 2024, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2024, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 24, 2024, 04:56:52 PMIncredible comeback for the Raiders only to get bit by D3refs.  Wild that this team could either win a title or miss the tournament entirely

Not too terribly long ago I would have been pumped to finish 20-7 and OAC runner-up.  But that's not the standard today and I'd imagine that the team is as disappointed as anyone that they didn't make the NCAA tourney.  Coming into the season I frankly didn't think that was even a realistic threat.

With the talent back for the Raiders, I can't help but think that there were times that they were "just going through the motions" and planning to turn it on when needed. For the life of me, I can't explain the number of single digit point totals from Newsome and Gurley.  Both were great in the last couple of games, but the season numbers don't lie.  Newsome at least gave you pretty good defense each night.  Hopefully its a learning lesson for Fuline and the returning players (Parker?)

Both Wilmington games come to mind for just a lack of urgency.  JCU is excellent.  Etta was down (by their standards).  Berg, Ott and Cap were solid but not spectacular.  Knowing all those things and what Mount had back on paper I would say 15-3/14-4 is where I would have had them.

I can't recall who posted it earlier, but Mansfield was a big loss.  Bigger than I gave credit to him.  Toughness aside, he could get to the rim in crunch time.  I thought Hudson showed good growth from last year to this year including several games where he was a critical second (or first) scorer.  But he's still a soph not a senior who had been through the battles.  There were long stretches where he looked like the only one who could create his own shot if needed.  Graham looked like he had the explosiveness to do it, but he was a freshman and understandably played a little out of control sometimes.  Farrington stepped up nicely down the stretch with some big minutes.  Those two hopefully develop into key contributors next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 27, 2024, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2024, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 27, 2024, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 27, 2024, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 24, 2024, 04:56:52 PMIncredible comeback for the Raiders only to get bit by D3refs.  Wild that this team could either win a title or miss the tournament entirely

Not too terribly long ago I would have been pumped to finish 20-7 and OAC runner-up.  But that's not the standard today and I'd imagine that the team is as disappointed as anyone that they didn't make the NCAA tourney.  Coming into the season I frankly didn't think that was even a realistic threat.

With the talent back for the Raiders, I can't help but think that there were times that they were "just going through the motions" and planning to turn it on when needed. For the life of me, I can't explain the number of single digit point totals from Newsome and Gurley.  Both were great in the last couple of games, but the season numbers don't lie.  Newsome at least gave you pretty good defense each night.  Hopefully its a learning lesson for Fuline and the returning players (Parker?)

Both Wilmington games come to mind for just a lack of urgency.  JCU is excellent.  Etta was down (by their standards).  Berg, Ott and Cap were solid but not spectacular.  Knowing all those things and what Mount had back on paper I would say 15-3/14-4 is where I would have had them.

I can't recall who posted it earlier, but Mansfield was a big loss.  Bigger than I gave credit to him.  Toughness aside, he could get to the rim in crunch time.  I thought Hudson showed good growth from last year to this year including several games where he was a critical second (or first) scorer.  But he's still a soph not a senior who had been through the battles.  There were long stretches where he looked like the only one who could create his own shot if needed.  Graham looked like he had the explosiveness to do it, but he was a freshman and understandably played a little out of control sometimes.  Farrington stepped up nicely down the stretch with some big minutes.  Those two hopefully develop into key contributors next year.

I agree with everything you said.  I hate to sound like a boomer, but "toughness" has been a problem in more than one program in Alliance.  "Toughness" is not allowing yourself and team to take multiple steps back after a national championship run season.  I hate to harp on student-athletes, but I think 6th year seniors are a little different
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on February 28, 2024, 01:23:49 PM
Mount Union got hosed out of an NCAA tournament bid (in more ways than one). As Lenny Reich would have reminded us, however, don't lose twice to Wilmington.
I expect next season's starters to be Parker, Laurich, Hudson, Steele and some combination of Collier, Farrington and perhaps a player that we don't know about yet (transfer?). Farrington is a little better defensively than Collier and that's important to Fuline. I expect Graham will be the 6th man and they like Sabin off the bench to handle the ball.
John Carroll has almost every back. Higgins is done for sure, but only O'Toole and Eller are listed as seniors and I'm not sure about their eligibility. Marietta will be really good again, and I think Otterbein, Heidelberg and Capital will be in the top half of the conference.
The previous best 6-year run at Mount Union was 96 wins from 1999-2005. They're 118-22 the last six seasons and that includes 2020-21 when they only played 12 games.
The Purple Raiders will be fine. They will compete for the OAC title. Fuline has elevated the expectations to the point that if they don't make the NCAA Tournament the season is somehow a disappointment. The fact is, in the Division III era (1973-2024) Mount Union had losing records in 25 of 35 seasons before his arrival.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2024, 01:40:20 PM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on February 28, 2024, 01:23:49 PMMount Union got hosed out of an NCAA tournament bid (in more ways than one). As Lenny Reich would have reminded us, however, don't lose twice to Wilmington.
I expect next season's starters to be Parker, Laurich, Hudson, Steele and some combination of Collier, Farrington and perhaps a player that we don't know about yet (transfer?). Farrington is a little better defensively than Collier and that's important to Fuline. I expect Graham will be the 6th man and they like Sabin off the bench to handle the ball.
John Carroll has almost every back. Higgins is done for sure, but only O'Toole and Eller are listed as seniors and I'm not sure about their eligibility. Marietta will be really good again, and I think Otterbein, Heidelberg and Capital will be in the top half of the conference.
The previous best 6-year run at Mount Union was 96 wins from 1999-2005. They're 118-22 the last six seasons and that includes 2020-21 when they only played 12 games.
The Purple Raiders will be fine. They will compete for the OAC title. Fuline has elevated the expectations to the point that if they don't make the NCAA Tournament the season is somehow a disappointment. The fact is, in the Division III era (1973-2024) Mount Union had losing records in 25 of 35 seasons before his arrival.

You don't have to remind any of us that were on campus during the Lee Hood era.  250-246.  The very definition of average basketball.

And if Steele and Hudson are going to be the starting backcourt they need to be a couple of gym rats in the off season to get their 3 pt % up.  They were both in the 20's this year.  Regardless, JCU will be massive favorites to repeat next year.  They're going to be loaded.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on February 28, 2024, 01:54:58 PM
In this era of the transfer portal, I don't think that you can totally rely solely on recruiting and developing guys for four years and compete yearly at the top of the OAC and D3.  If you have one year left of Parker, I think that Fuline really needs to be hitting the transfer market to load up for another Final Four run.  Some reliable outside shooting would be fantastic
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: RaidersRGr8t on February 28, 2024, 02:50:50 PM
Hey man I was in town for the Jim Dafler years when they went 5-45 over two seasons. This is like being a UCLA fan from 1964-75 by comparison.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2024, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on February 28, 2024, 01:54:58 PMIn this era of the transfer portal, I don't think that you can totally rely solely on recruiting and developing guys for four years and compete yearly at the top of the OAC and D3.  If you have one year left of Parker, I think that Fuline really needs to be hitting the transfer market to load up for another Final Four run.  Some reliable outside shooting would be fantastic

I agree.  If you were offering me a hypothetical transfer made in a lab I would ask for a 6'2"+ SG/SF that can knock down 3's and score consistently in general.  Easy order to fill, I know.  Fuline brought in Laurich and Steele as transfers this year and both contributed nicely.  That being said, he needs a tier above that this year in the portal.  He'll figure it out.  His track record speaks for itself at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 02, 2024, 01:00:22 PM
I'd like to think Fuline is looking over the NDC roster like a steakhouse menu this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: BillyRayJimBob on March 02, 2024, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: bluestreak66 on February 26, 2024, 04:57:57 PMVery odd not to see multiple OAC teams in the tournament. Really tough for Mount to lose a game like that and be left on the outside looking in. Maybe a couple less bid thieves and they'd be getting ready for a game Friday.
Can't wait to see how far John Carroll can go! When they're on, I truly believe they can beat anyone in the country. Let's just hope they can really bring it and make a deep run!
And I believe that the answer is in.  Not my hope or the team's aspirations.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 03, 2024, 11:47:58 AM
It's one thing to play well and just get beat.  It's another to just collectively have a catastrophic night shooting the ball at the worst possible time.  Chicone was 8-18 from the floor.  The other 4 starters were 5-36 (14%).  Thankfully JCU only turned it over 6 times so they were able to keep it relatively close thanks to the +12 TO margin because shooting 27% as a team against a team as good as Calvin I would have thought ended in a 20+ point loss.  I'm sure JCU is disappointed, but they have this group back one more time so it's on to next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 12, 2024, 02:23:36 PM
Devastating end to the season - again - for the Blue Streaks.  Loss to Otterbein, too-close-for-comfort game against Mount and a first weekend exit despite one of the most talented team to wear the Blue and Gold ever

I would love to be Pollyannaish about next season with so many key guys coming back but I cannot get myself excited for two reasons.  One, I felt that way last March and the end was very similar.  Two, Mount Union showed us that another year older does not always mean better - especially in D3.  So often, our players peak their sophomore and junior year as the senior year can sometimes be spent with less than stellar focus (I had a coach tell me once, "Sometimes our kids spend their senior year with one hand on their resume and one hand on a beer").  Not always - but sometimes that is the case.

The Calvin game was a bummer due to the shooting performance but I think you have to credit Calvin, especially in the first half, with disrupting what JCU wanted to do.  Jalen Overway did not look intimidating in the Friday night game against Elmhurst, and I in no way expected JCU's bigs or the talented frontcourt to be fearful of him.  However, most of the first half was spent shooting at bad angles, refusing to take it inside, shooting weakly off the back foot or fading way, and that was mostly due to Overway and a desire to avoid him, from my perspective.  They seemed to correct that in the second half but it was too little, too late. 

JCU will no doubnt have an excellent team coming back but will they be hungry?  Will they be focused? Will they be worried about beers and resumes?  . . . and will Coach Moran, looking to 2025-2026 show any ability to recruit successfully from the high school ranks?  I assume that he has only so many D1 nephews who can convince their friends to come to University Heights.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 12, 2024, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on February 28, 2024, 01:40:20 PM
Quote from: RaidersRGr8t on February 28, 2024, 01:23:49 PMMount Union got hosed out of an NCAA tournament bid (in more ways than one). As Lenny Reich would have reminded us, however, don't lose twice to Wilmington.
I expect next season's starters to be Parker, Laurich, Hudson, Steele and some combination of Collier, Farrington and perhaps a player that we don't know about yet (transfer?). Farrington is a little better defensively than Collier and that's important to Fuline. I expect Graham will be the 6th man and they like Sabin off the bench to handle the ball.
John Carroll has almost every back. Higgins is done for sure, but only O'Toole and Eller are listed as seniors and I'm not sure about their eligibility. Marietta will be really good again, and I think Otterbein, Heidelberg and Capital will be in the top half of the conference.
The previous best 6-year run at Mount Union was 96 wins from 1999-2005. They're 118-22 the last six seasons and that includes 2020-21 when they only played 12 games.
The Purple Raiders will be fine. They will compete for the OAC title. Fuline has elevated the expectations to the point that if they don't make the NCAA Tournament the season is somehow a disappointment. The fact is, in the Division III era (1973-2024) Mount Union had losing records in 25 of 35 seasons before his arrival.

You don't have to remind any of us that were on campus during the Lee Hood era.  250-246.  The very definition of average basketball.

And if Steele and Hudson are going to be the starting backcourt they need to be a couple of gym rats in the off season to get their 3 pt % up.  They were both in the 20's this year.  Regardless, JCU will be massive favorites to repeat next year.  They're going to be loaded.

I loved when Lee Hood came to games and sat behind the bench like he was John Wooden at  a UCLA game in the 80s or 90s . . . His teams were spectacularly mediocre for nearly all of his nearly 20 years, save the very beginning. It made me laugh every time he took his seat. He even came up to Carroll and did that once. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 12, 2024, 07:32:45 PM
LOL like he's John Wooden!  Well played.  Let's be clear about Lee Hood and his tenure...literally one kid kept him from having a losing career record.  Aaron Shipp.  I was going to say two and include Neal Richards (also a beast from that great team), but Shipp alone was worth probably 10+ wins each of his last 2 seasons.  Those two were just grown men and he never came close to duplicating that type of team in the 15ish years that followed.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 12, 2024, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 12, 2024, 07:32:45 PMLOL like he's John Wooden!  Well played.  Let's be clear about Lee Hood and his tenure...literally one kid kept him from having a losing career record.  Aaron Shipp.  I was going to say two and include Neal Richards (also a beast from that great team), but Shipp alone was worth probably 10+ wins each of his last 2 seasons.  Those two were just grown men and he never came close to duplicating that type of team in the 15ish years that followed.

That's why I was always blown away when he paraded around like Head Coach Emeritus, waiting for the Board of Directors to put his name on the court. I'm with you - never anything to be excited about after Clinton left office.  Many times i wanted to say "YOU KNOW YOU WERE FIRED RIGHT??!!"
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2024, 01:06:51 PM
It was a long decade plus of not much fun in Alliance (aside from chuckling at his "line changes" when he'd sub out all 5 guys at once).  It's why when I get frustrated with a Fuline team I try to remind myself where he has the program versus the past.  Even in the rare years they haven't been great they're always pretty fun to watch and play hard.  And those down years have become a rarity.

Speaking of Fuline, I wonder what his son is doing for college?  He's a nice player (good WR in football too).  I'd also love to see Casenhiser from Lake in Alliance.  If you score 25 a game in the Fed for 2 yrs as a 6 foot guard I'm thinking that means you can score.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: D3fanboy on March 14, 2024, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2024, 01:06:51 PMIt was a long decade plus of not much fun in Alliance (aside from chuckling at his "line changes" when he'd sub out all 5 guys at once).  It's why when I get frustrated with a Fuline team I try to remind myself where he has the program versus the past.  Even in the rare years they haven't been great they're always pretty fun to watch and play hard.  And those down years have become a rarity.

Speaking of Fuline, I wonder what his son is doing for college?  He's a nice player (good WR in football too).  I'd also love to see Casenhiser from Lake in Alliance.  If you score 25 a game in the Fed for 2 yrs as a 6 foot guard I'm thinking that means you can score.

that tuition deal at your dad's work might be tough to beat.  A couple of Mr Basketball finalists are only a few miles from Alliance and neither seem to have very many offers out there (Nigro - Louisville and Barrino - Malvern)
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 14, 2024, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: D3fanboy on March 14, 2024, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2024, 01:06:51 PMIt was a long decade plus of not much fun in Alliance (aside from chuckling at his "line changes" when he'd sub out all 5 guys at once).  It's why when I get frustrated with a Fuline team I try to remind myself where he has the program versus the past.  Even in the rare years they haven't been great they're always pretty fun to watch and play hard.  And those down years have become a rarity.

Speaking of Fuline, I wonder what his son is doing for college?  He's a nice player (good WR in football too).  I'd also love to see Casenhiser from Lake in Alliance.  If you score 25 a game in the Fed for 2 yrs as a 6 foot guard I'm thinking that means you can score.

that tuition deal at your dad's work might be tough to beat.  A couple of Mr Basketball finalists are only a few miles from Alliance and neither seem to have very many offers out there (Nigro - Louisville and Barrino - Malvern)

I have heard he is going to Mount.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2024, 07:03:48 PM
It would certainly make sense.  As fanboy said, the tuition deal is nice.  Especially huge these days given the cost of college. 

I figure Nigro will end up somewhere like Walsh.  I have never seen Barrino play so I have no idea on him. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2024, 06:41:53 PM
JCU ends the season #12 in the final top 25.  No other OAC school received a vote.  I'm guessing between Etta and Mount it's been a minute since we've said that.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 19, 2024, 09:44:00 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 14, 2024, 07:03:48 PMIt would certainly make sense.  As fanboy said, the tuition deal is nice.  Especially huge these days given the cost of college. 

I figure Nigro will end up somewhere like Walsh.  I have never seen Barrino play so I have no idea on him. 

I assume Nigro will end up on a D2 scholarship somewhere.  Of course, if his need is great, perhaps a top notch D3 program could snag him by making his aid very similar to a D2 school.

How doe the tuition program work at Mount.  Are there other schools to which you can apply the free tuition or is it "Mount only"?  I know at JCU, you can go to any other Jesuit school (although the more selective ones - Georgetown, BC, Holy Cross) only have to take a kid if they have a staff member of their own sending someone to that school (a "trade" for lack of a better term).  I also thought that faculty members had even more options as part of some sort of consortium. 
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: Onward on, John Carroll on March 19, 2024, 09:44:53 AM
Quote from: Dr. Acula on March 18, 2024, 06:41:53 PMJCU ends the season #12 in the final top 25.  No other OAC school received a vote.  I'm guessing between Etta and Mount it's been a minute since we've said that.

Generous.  We sure did not look like a top 12 team the last two weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Ohio Athletic Conference
Post by: ziggy on March 27, 2024, 07:50:47 AM
We will get some scheduling news for next season when the 2024 Great Lakes Invitational matchups and schedule is announced tonight at 8 PM ET: https://youtu.be/uMQvyLC98bw

John Carroll and Marietta will be joined in the eight-team field by Calvin (host) Emory, Hope, Johns Hopkins, Saint John's and UW-La Crosse.