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Title: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on June 09, 2018, 09:06:02 AM
Missouri is a hotbed for high school talent.  And, the last several Gatorade Missouri Players of the Year have signed with institutions such as Indiana, Furman, Saint Louis, and Wisconsin. 

Not this year...

Kyle Ruark is headed to the University of Chicago.

https://soccerstl.net/2018/06/07/kyle-ruark-named-missouri-gatorade-player-of-the-year/
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 09, 2018, 09:06:02 AM
Missouri is a hotbed for high school talent.  And, the last several Gatorade Missouri Players of the Year have signed with institutions such as Indiana, Furman, Saint Louis, and Wisconsin. 

Not this year...

Kyle Ruark is headed to the University of Chicago.

https://soccerstl.net/2018/06/07/kyle-ruark-named-missouri-gatorade-player-of-the-year/


Wondering if D1's passed because he is 5'9 140 or if he chose Chicago because of academics. If they passed this kid will have a serious chip on his shoulder and Chicago will stand to benefit. Mike Babst is really turning the UAA on its head because he is actually going out and recruiting nationally and using the advantages he has with a school of such prestige like Chicago and BTW playing the right way. Chicago plays some fantastic futbol and are really fun to watch. Besides Brandeis I saw them the most out of the other UAA schools in 2017 and enjoyed every game I tuned into. How former coaches O'Connor and Wiercinski could not figure this out or not go out and recruit the talent that Babst is getting boggles the mind.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: truenorth on June 11, 2018, 03:16:16 PM
Mr. Right, I can provide my own observations about U Chicago based on some anecdotal experiences.  First, my niece went there and had a great overall experience.  U Chicago is a top notch academic school on the fringe of a world class city.  That makes it a pretty desirable place for kids who want a great education in an urban environment.

Second, my son was recruited when Wiercinski was coaching.  I made the visit with my son.  We had to go to the athletic department, then get directed to the bowels of the building where the soccer locker room is, and then in turn get directed by an athlete in a whirlpool bath to the site where the team was training, which was a city park you had to walk some distance to get to. 

All in all, the set-up wasn't as convenient or as athlete oriented as many other top notch schools.  It was clear to visitors..mostly for all the right reasons...that athletics play a far distant second fiddle to athletics at U Chicago.  Nonetheless, those kind of impressions can create challenges when recruiting.  The current coach sounds like he's found a way to overcome those challenges...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on June 11, 2018, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 02:37:15 PM
Wondering if D1's passed because he is 5'9 140 or if he chose Chicago because of academics. If they passed this kid will have a serious chip on his shoulder and Chicago will stand to benefit.

Fully recognizing that I was never a D1 level athlete, if I was in that position — getting recruited by mid-level academic D1 institutions like Furman and Indiana as well as a top, top school like Chicago that is D3 — I personally would be inclined to choose the latter, all other things (ability to pay/etc.) being equal. I get that many who have professional aspirations might choose D1, as it's a higher level of competition/perhaps there's more exposure/etc., but if athletics doesn't work out at least you have a degree from a place like Chicago, a school which is ranked above all the Ivy Leagues except for Harvard, Yale, and Princeton! I am not trying to slight Columbia/Dartmouth/Brown/Penn/Cornell, they are obviously excellent schools as well, but just trying to put in comparison how good of a school Chicago is, as many know about the prestige of an Ivy without perhaps knowing that Chicago is very much in the same top tier. (I fully recognize that rankings are subjective and don't get you jobs/make you happy/etc., but I think my point is clear.)

Of course, I understand not everyone thinks like this, and I think pragmatically the experience at the school is largely dependent on who the person is. A great school does not necessarily correlate to happiness or success. When I was running high school cross-country, there was a girl in my area who was really talented — like, 4th in the nation her senior year in high school. Touted as perhaps the most talented female runner to come out of Maine since Joan Benoit Samuelson (who, incidentally, helped coach my high school track team for a season). Anyway, she was being recruited by Oregon and Princeton. For those who don't know, Oregon is the granddaddy of NCAA Track and Field: Oregon X-C and track is like Alabama football or Duke basketball in terms of prestige. For the reasons above, I personally wondered why she didn't go to Princeton, thinking "at least if she gets injured she has a degree from Princeton!" Ultimately, I think she ran into (no pun intended) some injuries, but she seems to be happy with her experience, and helped the Oregon women win a cross-country title her freshman year, running in the NCAA meet (only 7 runners on each team can run in the NCAA championship), and is now a teacher. If she was happy with her experience — and it seems she was — who am I to scrutinize her decision? Ultimately the goal is to be happy with the experience, wherever and whatever that is.

Quote from: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 02:37:15 PM
Mike Babst is really turning the UAA on its head because he is actually going out and recruiting nationally and using the advantages he has with a school of such prestige like Chicago and BTW playing the right way. Chicago plays some fantastic futbol and are really fun to watch. Besides Brandeis I saw them the most out of the other UAA schools in 2017 and enjoyed every game I tuned into. How former coaches O'Connor and Wiercinski could not figure this out or not go out and recruit the talent that Babst is getting boggles the mind.

I do agree Babst has done a fantastic job with that program. It is certainly not for everyone — I believe PaulNewman said at one point something of the effect that Chicago is a masochist's school (or maybe he was talking about Hopkins?), and truenorth rightly pointed out that perhaps athletes do not get the same support as at other institutions — but given its academic reputation (and being located in one of America's great cities) I have to believe that UChicago is a very attractive school for prospective student-athletes. The aim is ultimately to maximize that, and clearly Babst has figured out how to do that. I would be curious to know more about Lopez and whether D1 programs were interested as well: perhaps he didn't have his size or physicality back then but I am sure he is a D1-level talent.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 03:52:16 PM
Agreed..Would love to know the back story of Lopez and yes he is a D1 talent. I will say he was taken out of the game in the NCAA Semi's quite well by North Park as he was suffocated all game. That was a big key to North Park's advancement. I acknowledge all the negatives about athletics at Chicago that you and truenorth point out BUT like you said Babst has plowed through them where as O'Connor and Wiercinski did not. Maybe the school is focusing more on athletics than before in admissions or support but other than that I do not see many differences at all. If there have been any changes at Chicago in the last 10 years in Athletics please someone share.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
BTW Bloots I love these informative X-C analysis we get out of you every once and awhile. I can honestly say I do not know much at all about X-C but always enjoy learning new stuff. Why is Oregon top dog? Nike?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 11, 2018, 04:06:54 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 02:37:15 PMMike Babst is really turning the UAA on its head because he is actually going out and recruiting nationally

The University of Chicago recruits nationally in every sport. Always has, always will. Heck, the University of Chicago goes out and recruits nationally for every aspect in which it recruits students.

Whether Mike Babst is spending more time out of his office in the Ratner Center and more time on the road than did his predecessors, I can't say. But he isn't recruiting any differently than them in terms of targeting and geographical footprint. He's simply better at it than they were.

Quote from: truenorth on June 11, 2018, 03:16:16 PM
Mr. Right, I can provide my own observations about U Chicago based on some anecdotal experiences.  First, my niece went there and had a great overall experience.

It's a tremendous school, but it's not for everyone. Leaving aside the matter that only the most academically accomplished kids can get admitted into the U of C, there's also the matter of it being a very different sort of learning environment than you see on other campuses. It's extremely tilted in favor of academics over social environment (including athletics). On any given game day or night, you'll find a whole lot more undergraduates in Regenstein Library than you will at Stagg Field or the Ratner Center watching the Maroons play. The slogan on the most popular t-shirt at the campus bookstore puts it succinctly: "The University of Chicago: Where Fun Goes to Die".

Quote from: truenorth on June 11, 2018, 03:16:16 PMU Chicago is a top notch academic school on the fringe of a world class city.

It's not on the fringe, it's very deep within the city itself. Hyde Park feels like the fringe to those who work or study there because it's surrounded on three sides by the ghetto and on the other side by lakeshore parks and the Museum of Science and Industry. But the economically downtrodden neighborhoods around the U of C are just as much a part of the city as are any of the others.

Quote from: truenorth on June 11, 2018, 03:16:16 PMThat makes it a pretty desirable place for kids who want a great education in an urban environment.

Second, my son was recruited when Wiercinski was coaching.  I made the visit with my son.  We had to go to the athletic department, then get directed to the bowels of the building where the soccer locker room is, and then in turn get directed by an athlete in a whirlpool bath to the site where the team was training, which was a city park you had to walk some distance to get to. 

All in all, the set-up wasn't as convenient or as athlete oriented as many other top notch schools.  It was clear to visitors..mostly for all the right reasons...that athletics play a far distant second fiddle to athletics at U Chicago.  Nonetheless, those kind of impressions can create challenges when recruiting.  The current coach sounds like he's found a way to overcome those challenges...

Yep. Very well said. While it's unlikely that any U of C undergraduates are unaware that the school offers intercollegiate athletics, it's safe to say that nearly all of them don't give Maroons sports a second thought. We're talking about a school with 6,000 undergraduates that in 2017-18 averaged about 900 fans for football home games, slightly less than 300 for home men's basketball games, and about 250 for home men's soccer matches -- and as a frequent visitor to the U of C for athletics contests I can tell you that a very big chunk of the attendees at any given sporting event are alumni and parents.

Maroons sports just isn't on the radar of the vast majority of people at the U of C, resident undergraduates included. If you're going to play sports there, you know that going in -- but, then again, if you're going to play sports there, your primary purpose is to gain a world-class education. Your athletic career is secondary.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on June 11, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
BTW Bloots I love these informative X-C analysis we get out of you every once and awhile. I can honestly say I do not know much at all about X-C but always enjoy learning new stuff. Why is Oregon top dog? Nike?

Thank you, I am glad they haven't put you to sleep!

You pretty much nailed it. Really started out when Phil Hayward started coaching at Oregon back in 1904. Hayward is the namesake of Oregon's historic Hayward Field, which has hosted many track and field Olympic Trials and incidentally just hosted the NCAA meet this past weekend. (Maine homer alert: Shout out to Isaiah Harris of Lewiston, ME, and Penn State who won the 800 in sub-1:45. Went from longtime bridesmaid to bride, although I'm not sure if he'd enjoy hearing that.) Maybe I am stretching, but I think it actually bears some resemblance of Bowdoin's Whittier Field (home of Polar Bear football, lax, and track) in terms of the old grandstand which sits outside the track.

Anyway, Hayward developed and coached a ton of successful Olympians, including (prior to coaching at Oregon) Olympic pole vault champion A.C. Gilbert, who, fun fact, invented the Erector set. Then came along Bill Bowerman, who was originally a football player, but switched his attention to track at the urging of Hayward. In terms of legacy, Bowerman is like the "Coach K" of track. His athletes and teams won numerous NCAA titles, and Bowerman would go on to co-found Nike with Phil Knight. One of his athletes, Bill Dellinger ('64 Olympics bronze medalist in the 5,000) then took over, and coached the late, great Steve Prefontaine, whom I am sure many have heard of. Anyway, that is essentially how UOregon became the X-C/track and field hotbed that it is. And with Nike exploding as a global brand in the years since its founding, it's tough to see that changing any time soon.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 11, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 03:52:16 PM
Agreed..Would love to know the back story of Lopez and yes he is a D1 talent. I will say he was taken out of the game in the NCAA Semi's quite well by North Park as he was suffocated all game. That was a big key to North Park's advancement. I acknowledge all the negatives about athletics at Chicago that you and truenorth point out BUT like you said Babst has plowed through them where as O'Connor and Wiercinski did not. Maybe the school is focusing more on athletics than before in admissions or support but other than that I do not see many differences at all. If there have been any changes at Chicago in the last 10 years in Athletics please someone share.

I don't think that Chicago is focusing more upon athletics than before, because there's no reason for it to do so. We're talking about a school whose endowment is closing in $8 billion dollars. That's "billion" with a 'b'. It has an undergraduate academic profile and acceptance-to-applications ratio that is the envy of just about every other school in the land. So why fix what isn't broken? Sports doesn't matter much there, because there's no need for it to matter much. Besides, the Maroons do alright in various D3 sports, although they're not the across-the-board powerhouse that their archrival, Wash U, is.

Facilities-wise, I don't think that the U of C has added any major athletics upgrades since Ratner was finished in 2003, aside from Stagg Field and Anderson Field being re-turfed.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 05:56:56 PM
Lol...All those words and you have basically regurgitated what others have stated in the past. I was looking for someone to chime in IF anything had changed in the past 10 years to afford Babst a slight advantage that maybe Wiercinski and O'Conner did not have? Nothing to do with endowments or attendance which has all been brought up before. Basically, just curious if the smallest of things might have changed in support or admissions to give Babst a slight advantage or if he is just a better recruiter? My guess was the latter but wasn't 100% sure. Your need to muddy the questions with an abundance of knowledge is a characteristic that is extremely telling. It was a simple question that could have used a simple answer. In case of you an answer of NO would have sufficed. Anyone else familiar with Chicago have anything




Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 11, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
You've never struck me as the type who is happy with a simple "yes" or "no". You've always seemed to be the type of poster who wants a statement to be backed up by facts. If I've misread you in that regard, I apologize, and I promise that in the future you'll just get a simple "yes" or "no" from me, provided that you take it at face value. ;)
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: truenorth on June 12, 2018, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on June 11, 2018, 03:51:21 PM

When I was running high school cross-country, there was a girl in my area who was really talented — like, 4th in the nation her senior year in high school. Touted as perhaps the most talented female runner to come out of Maine since Joan Benoit Samuelson (who, incidentally, helped coach my high school track team for a season). Anyway, she was being recruited by Oregon and Princeton. For those who don't know, Oregon is the granddaddy of NCAA Track and Field: Oregon X-C and track is like Alabama football or Duke basketball in terms of prestige. For the reasons above, I personally wondered why she didn't go to Princeton, thinking "at least if she gets injured she has a degree from Princeton!" Ultimately, I think she ran into (no pun intended) some injuries, but she seems to be happy with her experience, and helped the Oregon women win a cross-country title her freshman year, running in the NCAA meet (only 7 runners on each team can run in the NCAA championship), and is now a teacher. If she was happy with her experience — and it seems she was — who am I to scrutinize her decision? Ultimately the goal is to be happy with the experience, wherever and whatever that is.

Blooter, you're referring to Abby Leonardi, who was indeed a great high school runner here in Maine.  Hopefully she is happy with her choice of Oregon over Princeton in retrospect.  To tie this story back to soccer, her twin sister was a very good high school soccer player who went on to play D1 at Fairfield or some place like that...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: truenorth on June 12, 2018, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on June 11, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on June 11, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
BTW Bloots I love these informative X-C analysis we get out of you every once and awhile. I can honestly say I do not know much at all about X-C but always enjoy learning new stuff. Why is Oregon top dog? Nike?

Thank you, I am glad they haven't put you to sleep!

You pretty much nailed it. Really started out when Phil Hayward started coaching at Oregon back in 1904. Hayward is the namesake of Oregon's historic Hayward Field, which has hosted many track and field Olympic Trials and incidentally just hosted the NCAA meet this past weekend. (Maine homer alert: Shout out to Isaiah Harris of Lewiston, ME, and Penn State who won the 800 in sub-1:45. Went from longtime bridesmaid to bride, although I'm not sure if he'd enjoy hearing that.) Maybe I am stretching, but I think it actually bears some resemblance of Bowdoin's Whittier Field (home of Polar Bear football, lax, and track) in terms of the old grandstand which sits outside the track.

Anyway, Hayward developed and coached a ton of successful Olympians, including (prior to coaching at Oregon) Olympic pole vault champion A.C. Gilbert, who, fun fact, invented the Erector set. Then came along Bill Bowerman, who was originally a football player, but switched his attention to track at the urging of Hayward. In terms of legacy, Bowerman is like the "Coach K" of track. His athletes and teams won numerous NCAA titles, and Bowerman would go on to co-found Nike with Phil Knight. One of his athletes, Bill Dellinger ('64 Olympics bronze medalist in the 5,000) then took over, and coached the late, great Steve Prefontaine, whom I am sure many have heard of. Anyway, that is essentially how UOregon became the X-C/track and field hotbed that it is. And with Nike exploding as a global brand in the years since its founding, it's tough to see that changing any time soon.

Great summary of the history of the Oregon running program and Hayward Field!  To bring this back to Mr. Right's question, the impact of Nike on Oregon's modern day program is undeniable.  Phil Knight has poured a s***load of money into Oregon's athletic programs in recent years, including track & field.  By the way, they're undertaking a complete rebuild and expansion of the stadium over the next three years, as it will be the site of the world track & field championships in 2021!
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on June 12, 2018, 10:10:20 AM
With all this talk about Chicago, it's worth mentioning that they return 8 of 11 starters from their Final 4 lineup. Those losses are in goal, outside back, and central midfield, and losing an All-American goalkeeper in particular is always rough, but they will be stacked and I think they have to be the favorites for the UAA once again. They were very good last year — who knows what would have happened if the linesman hadn't blown that offsides call in the Final 4 matchup — and I think that seeing that they were good enough to make the Final 4 and were a kick away from getting to the championship game (as opposed to getting dumped out by Redlands the year before) will have them hungry to get back there.

Quote from: truenorth on June 12, 2018, 09:05:11 AM
Blooter, you're referring to Abby Leonardi, who was indeed a great high school runner here in Maine.  Hopefully she is happy with her choice of Oregon over Princeton in retrospect.  To tie this story back to soccer, her twin sister was a very good high school soccer player who went on to play D1 at Fairfield or some place like that...

Indeed, I did know her sister went D1 in soccer at Stony Brook, and I think she was a great softball player, too. Either way, athletic family!

Quote from: truenorth on June 12, 2018, 09:10:44 AM
By the way, they're undertaking a complete rebuild and expansion of the stadium over the next three years, as it will be the site of the world track & field championships in 2021!

Did not know that! Super cool. I tune into some of the big meets (Olympics/Trials/Pre Classic/etc.) and will watch top-class talent when it is in Greater Boston — Oregon's Edward Cheserek running 3:49.44 in the indoor mile at BU (on my birthday, incidentally) was the single most impressive athletic feat I've witnessed in person — but haven't been great about keeping up with the World Championships. I guess that will have to change.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on June 12, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Just a note about the University of Chicago...I have a few colleagues who work in enrollment management here and elsewhere who say that UChicago is the hot school among the elite institutions at the moment.

The No. 3 ranking in the latest US News and World Reports certainly helps, but you need to be the hot school to get there (unless you are Harvard, Princeton or Yale).

Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 11, 2018, 04:06:54 PM
It's a tremendous school, but it's not for everyone. Leaving aside the matter that only the most academically accomplished kids can get admitted into the U of C, there's also the matter of it being a very different sort of learning environment than you see on other campuses. It's extremely tilted in favor of academics over social environment (including athletics). On any given game day or night, you'll find a whole lot more undergraduates in Regenstein Library than you will at Stagg Field or the Ratner Center watching the Maroons play. The slogan on the most popular t-shirt at the campus bookstore puts it succinctly: "The University of Chicago: Where Fun Goes to Die".

The co-curricular culture at the University of Chicago is changing and changing fast.

I'll be surprised if you can still buy that t-shirt at the bookstore.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 11, 2018, 04:27:12 PM
Besides, the Maroons do alright in various D3 sports, although they're not the across-the-board powerhouse that their archrival, Wash U, is.

As much as I hate to admit it, Chicago finished 12th in the Director's Cup this season.  15th last season.  14th the season before last.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 12, 2018, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 12, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
I'll be surprised if you can still buy that t-shirt at the bookstore.

I haven't been there lately, so it could be a discontinued item. But I still see that t-shirt on campus. U of C students seem to take a perverse pleasure in the sentiment.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Falconer on June 12, 2018, 11:18:50 PM
Quote from: truenorth on June 12, 2018, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on June 11, 2018, 03:51:21 PM

When I was running high school cross-country, there was a girl in my area who was really talented — like, 4th in the nation her senior year in high school. Touted as perhaps the most talented female runner to come out of Maine since Joan Benoit Samuelson (who, incidentally, helped coach my high school track team for a season). Anyway, she was being recruited by Oregon and Princeton. For those who don't know, Oregon is the granddaddy of NCAA Track and Field: Oregon X-C and track is like Alabama football or Duke basketball in terms of prestige. For the reasons above, I personally wondered why she didn't go to Princeton, thinking "at least if she gets injured she has a degree from Princeton!" Ultimately, I think she ran into (no pun intended) some injuries, but she seems to be happy with her experience, and helped the Oregon women win a cross-country title her freshman year, running in the NCAA meet (only 7 runners on each team can run in the NCAA championship), and is now a teacher. If she was happy with her experience — and it seems she was — who am I to scrutinize her decision? Ultimately the goal is to be happy with the experience, wherever and whatever that is.

Blooter, you're referring to Abby Leonardi, who was indeed a great high school runner here in Maine.  Hopefully she is happy with her choice of Oregon over Princeton in retrospect.  To tie this story back to soccer, her twin sister was a very good high school soccer player who went on to play D1 at Fairfield or some place like that...

Abby apparently ran 4:38 plus for 1500 meters; don't know whether that's a HS or collegiate time, but it's roughly equivalent to a 4:55 mile. As a former track and XC runner (HS and college), I follow PA track closely. A sophomore girl from the HS nearest to Messiah, Marlee Starliper, has already run the mile in 4:43 indoors and also won the mile at the Penn Realys. She got only third in the state final this spring, but won the 3200 easily earlier the same day. No hints yet of a college preference, but I assume she's already good enough for Oregon if that is on the table.

Incidentally, the consensus top PA soccer player this year accepted a scholarship to UMBC--a big surprise to me, at least. That's the school that made a big splash in basketball this year, but soccer is also big there: they were final four a few years ago. I thought he might go somewhere like Stanford or Indiana or UNC, but I don't know anyone close to him so I'm not really entitled to an opinion on that one.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: truenorth on June 13, 2018, 07:54:44 AM
Falconer, yes a 4:43 indoor mile for a HS girl would put her on the radar of all of the leading D1 track & field and cross country programs (including Oregon, Stanford, Colorado, Wisconsin, etc.).  It will be interesting to hear where she lands.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on June 13, 2018, 10:41:31 AM
Quote from: Falconer on June 12, 2018, 11:18:50 PM
A sophomore girl from the HS nearest to Messiah, Marlee Starliper, has already run the mile in 4:43 indoors and also won the mile at the Penn Realys. She got only third in the state final this spring, but won the 3200 easily earlier the same day. No hints yet of a college preference, but I assume she's already good enough for Oregon if that is on the table.

According to Athletic.net she had the second-fastest high school indoor mile in the country this year. Incidentally, the only girl who ran faster is also from PA (a senior at Friends' Central, a private school outside of Philly). Anyway, I think it's pretty clear she's fast enough for any program in D1, particularly considering she ran those times as a sophomore — well before the official recruitment window opens on 9/1 of an athlete's junior year.

Back to the UAA (I take responsibility for getting us off track), any other Brandeis folks know if the Judges will be getting Sam Vinson back for another year? I said earlier this spring that I think — despite losing Woodhouse — Brandeis won't be impacted much defensively, as Irwin seems to be a competent replacement in goal and the Judges return DePietto (who did his ACL halfway through this past season), Handler, and Hennessy, so whether or not you include Alex Walter (who deputized for DePietto at CB after the injury) that's at least 3 of the back 4. The question will be whether they can replace the goals they'll lose as well as re-stock the midfield after losing Ocel and Hernandez — any word on whether Miskin is back for another year of eligibility (he has missed significant amounts of times the past few years)?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on June 13, 2018, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 12, 2018, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 12, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
I'll be surprised if you can still buy that t-shirt at the bookstore.

I haven't been there lately, so it could be a discontinued item. But I still see that t-shirt on campus. U of C students seem to take a perverse pleasure in the sentiment.

Let me offer a correction...

I am 100% sure they still say it, but today, based on everything I have heard, it is said more in jest than as an acknowledgment of institutional culture. 

That fact that nerds are on the ascendancy makes this phrase too easy to keep around.

Otherwise, I am looking forward to this season.  Washington University plays Ohio Wesleyan this season, but unfortunately, that game is on the road.  Washington University gets to play host to Emory, Brandeis and Chicago, but will have to travel to Rochester and Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: deutschfan on June 13, 2018, 08:38:23 PM
It is still part of the institutional culture despite the school's effort to downplay the intensity of the intellectual challenge exacerbated by the school's belief in grade deflation versus the grade inflation of the Stanfords and Ivies of the world where the median gpa is well above 3.  Here is my take on UC's ascendancy in the soccer ranks starting with the turn of the century.  In 2000 UC was the No. 10 U.S. News ranked school with a 37% acceptance rate (due to self-selection by masochists who enjoyed three sets of brutal midterms and finals a year).  It competed for players mainly with Wash U, ranked in the mid-teens academically, and a weak NU D1 program also in the mid teens.  In the past decade and a half NU had greater success in the Big Ten raising its recruiting standards and also raising the quality of rejected players who would look at UC.  Wash U has declined in the US News Ranks and UC has soared to Number 3 with a seven percent acceptance rate.  The allure of attending one of the best schools in the world, now with an excellent tactician and recruiter as a coach, has caused UC's soccer star to rise.  O'Connor was a nice guy who didn't push his players.  Wiercinski was a grinder in a school where students already were being ground.  As with baby bear's, Babst's porridge is just right.  In comparison, Brandeis was a UAA doormat in 2000 and its rise has to be attributed primarily to its very experienced coach.  It has stayed relatively static in the academic rankings and has always had to compete with the top NESCAC schools in MA for players.     
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Falconer on June 13, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: deutschfan on June 13, 2018, 08:38:23 PM
It is still part of the institutional culture despite the school's effort to downplay the intensity of the intellectual challenge exacerbated by the school's belief in grade deflation versus the grade inflation of the Stanfords and Ivies of the world where the median gpa is well above 3.  Here is my take on UC's ascendancy in the soccer ranks starting with the turn of the century.  In 2000 UC was the No. 10 U.S. News ranked school with a 37% acceptance rate (due to self-selection by masochists who enjoyed three sets of brutal midterms and finals a year).  It competed for players mainly with Wash U, ranked in the mid-teens academically, and a weak NU D1 program also in the mid teens.  In the past decade and a half NU had greater success in the Big Ten raising its recruiting standards and also raising the quality of rejected players who would look at UC.  Wash U has declined in the US News Ranks and UC has soared to Number 3 with a seven percent acceptance rate.  The allure of attending one of the best schools in the world, now with an excellent tactician and recruiter as a coach, has caused UC's soccer star to rise.  O'Connor was a nice guy who didn't push his players.  Wiercinski was a grinder in a school where students already were being ground.  As with baby bear's, Babst's porridge is just right.  In comparison, Brandeis was a UAA doormat in 2000 and its rise has to be attributed primarily to its very experienced coach.  It has stayed relatively static in the academic rankings and has always had to compete with the top NESCAC schools in MA for players.     

National rankings of this type aren't meaningless, but I'm always at least a bit skeptical of their overall accuracy. Faculties and programs don't change very much in the short term, yet rankings can change quite a bit in just a few years. Acceptance rates ("selectivity") are a major factor in calculating the numbers, and those depend mainly on how many students actually apply (since the number who are admitted is relatively fixed by dormitory capacities). That number in turn depends on the perceptions of HS students and guidance counselors, the latter of whom tend to tell certain students (the ones likely to be applying to places like UAA schools) what they want to hear, not necessarily what they need to hear.

I put much more credence on objective numbers than on subjective ratings. An example of one such number is scores on national examinations, such as the LSAT or the MCAT or the CPA exam. That last number is made public indirectly, in a book published by the relevant professional organization. Finding every school on the internet, even if possible, would take longer than a week of soccer games. I know a few people who teach or did teach (retired) accounting at Messiah (including someone whose services I have used), and from them I know that the accounting major at Messiah is absolutely always ranked very high in PA and usually also nationally--as determined by the pass rate on the CPA exam. With that in mind, I found this on their web site:

"Our students regularly exceed the national average pass rate for first-time test takers. In 2016, our pass rate was 83.8%. In comparison, the national average was only 55.4%. Messiah ranked #1 in Pennsylvania (out of 74 programs); #1 for medium-sized accounting programs in the nation (out of 294 programs); and #10 in the nation overall (out of 858 programs)." https://www.messiah.edu/accounting-major-pennsylvania

Now I gather they didn't do quite that well in 2017, since they pass over it without comment, but I know that in the years before the current PA licensing requirement of completing 150 credit hours was instituted, students often took the exam before or just after graduating. In those days, Messiah and the Wharton School at Penn often finished 1-2, in either order depending on the year. Many of the Penn students, however, were MBA students, so it wasn't exactly apples and apples. After the change, undergraduates almost never take the exam for obvious reasons. Despite numbers like this, some web sites that list top schools for studying accounting in PA consistently rank Messiah well down the list. Why? Partly b/c it's not a very "selective" college; a large percentage of applicants are admitted. That's true, but more than a little misleading in this context. Penn is typically ranked #1 on those lists, which is fair enough given the objective numbers. But then, Messiah should be #2, if not #1.

So, if a soccer player wants to study accounting, ... you can do the math. Why go to a UAA school or a NESCAC, if you can get a top 10 accounting education and play in a Final Four at Messiah?  :o
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on June 13, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: Falconer on June 13, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
So if a soccer player wants to study accounting, ... you can do the math. Why go to a UAA school or a NESCAC, if you can get a top 10 accounting education and play in a Final Four at Messiah?  :o

Just want to make sure we get on record that your email ends with @messiah.edu. Not that you shouldn't be proud of your school — I personally know of a number of non-soccer kids who have gone to Messiah, loved their experience, and done very well post-graduation — but so we all know where we stand.  ;)

In terms of certain programs being strong at certain schools, you are absolutely correct. I spent a year at Roger Williams, where they have one of the best architecture programs in the country.  Can't remember the ranking exactly, and I'm too lazy to look it up, but I believe it is in the top 10 nationally.  So for a soccer player who is dead set on accounting and wants to compete at a high level, they would be absolutely silly to not consider Messiah.

That being said, for students with either A. Less sense of what they want to do OR B. An eye on  preprofessional tracks, such as for law school or med school, a NESCAC or UAA can be beneficial. 

A: Many of the schools have very strong liberal arts curriculum, which – cliche as it sounds – does well to prepare many students who are either looking for jobs following graduation in terms of gaining a well-rounded background. And, shallow as it may be, many employers will look at a Chicago or a Williams on a resume and go "wow! To the top of the pile!" Or an alumni part of a school's network may lend a hand. Of course, I am not condoning that line of thinking and I do not think it lands you the job in and of itself, but it certainly doesn't hurt.

B: For pre-professional programs, or at least the undergraduate studies to get into those programs, the high admit rates of applicants from NESCACs and UAAs to those types of graduate school may play a role in an undergraduate applicant's thinking. I believe Brandeis has about 75% of kids applying to med schools accepted, and while I fully recognize that they weed out a ton of kids who think they might want to study medicine on the first day of their freshman year, that is still a pretty high figure. Is some of it due to reputation? Sure it is, and I would agree that is unfortunate. However, many of the schools also have a very accomplished faculty who are experts in their fields, and there is a certain amount of objectivity that goes into graduate school admission, whether it's the GRE, GMAT, MCAT, or LSAT.  So, evidently the schools have done a decent enough job preparing these kids for admission to graduate school, or else the secret of going to a reputable undergrad institute (and absolutely bombing in class but having the name on the diploma) would have been found out a long time ago.

This is not to slight any non-NESCAC or UAA school. There are many great schools in D3, and there are many schools that have fantastic feeder programs into a particular field. All I'm trying to do is just give some justification for why a student may choose a NESCAC or UAA.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Falconer on June 14, 2018, 12:26:15 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on June 13, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: Falconer on June 13, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
So if a soccer player wants to study accounting, ... you can do the math. Why go to a UAA school or a NESCAC, if you can get a top 10 accounting education and play in a Final Four at Messiah?  :o

Just want to make sure we get on record that your email ends with @messiah.edu. Not that you shouldn't be proud of your school — I personally know of a number of non-soccer kids who have gone to Messiah, loved their experience, and done very well post-graduation — but so we all know where we stand.  ;)


Yes, I spent most of my working life drawing paychecks from various institutions of higher learning, including Messiah. The others were all D1, including an Ivy, two Big Tens, an SEC, and a CAA school. I have degrees from two of those places (not Messiah), both of which have won national titles in men's soccer (he says cryptically but truthfully), but none of my kids went to any of them. I never had any connection with the athletic departments anywhere (including Messiah), but I still follow all of them in certain sports.

Because of that experience and a certain skill set, I've also cashed the odd check or two from dozens of institutions around the world. Keeping the list within the UAA, last fall I happened to pass by the soccer field at Wash U, and on previous visits I needed to see some documents in the university archives; I've visited the U of C at least four times (and have used Regenstein Library); twice I've been to CMU, and once to NYU. Haven't had a similar reason to go to the other four UAAs, though I've seen parts of CWRU just out of curiosity.

If I talk too much here about higher ed (usually in relation to soccer or other sports), it's only b/c I've been around that block--a lot of blocks, actually. Anytime it bothers anyone, just tell me to give it a rest.  :-\
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on June 14, 2018, 08:38:49 AM
Quote from: Falconer on June 14, 2018, 12:26:15 AM
Yes, I spent most of my working life drawing paychecks from various institutions of higher learning, including Messiah. The others were all D1, including an Ivy, two Big Tens, an SEC, and a CAA school. I have degrees from two of those places (not Messiah), both of which have won national titles in men's soccer (he says cryptically but truthfully), but none of my kids went to any of them. I never had any connection with the athletic departments anywhere (including Messiah), but I still follow all of them in certain sports.

Because of that experience and a certain skill set, I've also cashed the odd check or two from dozens of institutions around the world. Keeping the list within the UAA, last fall I happened to pass by the soccer field at Wash U, and on previous visits I needed to see some documents in the university archives; I've visited the U of C at least four times (and have used Regenstein Library); twice I've been to CMU, and once to NYU. Haven't had a similar reason to go to the other four UAAs, though I've seen parts of CWRU just out of curiosity.

If I talk too much here about higher ed (usually in relation to soccer or other sports), it's only b/c I've been around that block--a lot of blocks, actually. Anytime it bothers anyone, just tell me to give it a rest.  :-\

Certainly I didn't find it boring; quite the contrary! I appreciated your perspective and thought you raised a number of good points, including the bit about how actual admit numbers are driven by capacity (a point I have made myself on these boards). There is absolutely nothing wrong with being on the faculty (whether tenured or adjunct) at an institution while fervently supporting its athletics; I think it is great if faculty do so. That being said, while I believe that you may work for a bunch of higher education institutions, I did find it a bit humorous that – and I guess it's not a surprise considering your username – you have an email address publicly viewable tying you to the school you speak about most on the boards. All I was saying by highlighting that is that it would appear that not all schools are created equal, or at least reflected upon that way on these boards. ;)

I did find the comment about guidance counselors essentially driving the application rates because they allegedly mislead students by "telling them what they want to hear" to be a bit interesting and a bit of a slight against some of the schools they are allegedly pushing. I am not denying that happens, or that it is done free of any kind of nefarious intention, but I am not sure it's ubiquitous, either. Could be wrong. Moreover, while Messiah did get to the Final 4 and win it all this year, they had not done so the preceding three years before that. As such, I would hope the primary reason that a soccer player would choose Messiah is that he or she feels happy at the school and feels that he or she is set up for success in the future, whether that be through CPA preparation or anything else.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on June 14, 2018, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: deutschfan on June 13, 2018, 08:38:23 PM
It is still part of the institutional culture despite the school's effort to downplay the intensity of the intellectual challenge exacerbated by the school's belief in grade deflation versus the grade inflation of the Stanfords and Ivies of the world where the median GPA is well above 3.  Here is my take on UC's ascendancy in the soccer ranks starting with the turn of the century.  In 2000 UC was the No. 10 U.S. News ranked school with a 37% acceptance rate (due to self-selection by masochists who enjoyed three sets of brutal midterms and finals a year).  It competed for players mainly with Wash U, ranked in the mid-teens academically, and a weak NU D1 program also in the mid teens.  In the past decade and a half NU had greater success in the Big Ten raising its recruiting standards and also raising the quality of rejected players who would look at UC.  Wash U has declined in the US News Ranks and UC has soared to Number 3 with a seven percent acceptance rate.  The allure of attending one of the best schools in the world, now with an excellent tactician and recruiter as a coach, has caused UC's soccer star to rise.  O'Connor was a nice guy who didn't push his players. 

I am going to have to think about this a little more, but my initial reaction is that I do not buy the academic side of your explanation.  I would offer Washington University Women's Soccer as my close enough counterfactual.  But, I'll have to think about that.

Washington University and Chicago still compete for the same students and the same players.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: deutschfan on June 14, 2018, 11:04:31 AM
UC didn't get its ranking due to overzealous or unjustified touting by guidance counsellors.  Many will counsel students contemplating UC to consider Stanford, Harvard or Duke for a more well rounded college experience (translation--less onerous).  UC's ranking is based on a faculty that ranks in the top 6 in Nobel Prize winners, and a student population with an average 1500 SAT score.  Messian has built a soccer juggernaut based on legacy and admissions flexibility.  With a 79% acceptance rate and an average SAT of less than 1200 Messiah can offer admission to almost any high school graduate, and can offer full academic rides to most players considering playing at a NESCAC or UAA school.  That is a huge advantage in the recruiting process.  The disadvantage is that there are many schools in Messiah's position.  Thus it is the banners that will cinch the deal for Messiah against a Lycoming, or North Park, or Ohio Wesleyan.  William Smith, and of course Messiah, is the same way in women's soccer although William Smith is a tad more academically competitive than Messiah.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: deutschfan on June 14, 2018, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: deutschfan on June 14, 2018, 11:04:31 AM
UC didn't get its ranking due to overzealous or unjustified touting by guidance counsellors.  Many will counsel students contemplating UC to consider Stanford, Harvard or Duke for a more well rounded college experience (translation--less onerous).  UC's ranking is based on a faculty that ranks in the top 6 in Nobel Prize winners, and a student population with an average 1500 SAT score.  Messian has built a soccer juggernaut based on legacy and admissions flexibility.  With a 79% acceptance rate and an average SAT of less than 1200 Messiah can offer admission to almost any high school graduate, and can offer full academic rides to most players considering playing at a NESCAC or UAA school.  That is a huge advantage in the recruiting process.  The disadvantage is that there are many schools in Messiah's position.  Thus it is the banners that will cinch the deal for Messiah against a Lycoming, or North Park, or Ohio Wesleyan.  William Smith, and of course Messiah, is the same way in women's soccer although William Smith is a tad more academically competitive than Messiah.
The difference on the women's side is that Wash U has banners and a history of being in the National Championship mix which overcomes the relatively minor academic disparity with UC.  After UC, Wash U is the next highest ranked academic school in the UAA.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on June 14, 2018, 11:15:04 AM
Quote from: Falconer on June 13, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
National rankings of this type aren't meaningless, but I'm always at least a bit skeptical of their overall accuracy. Faculties and programs don't change very much in the short term, yet rankings can change quite a bit in just a few years.

At least two of the major national highered rankings also rely on a survey of college and university presidents and provosts.

I have no proof of this, but I have a theory that the 2012 Chicago statement of principles of free expression was a game changer as for executive opinion goes.  I am sure I am not alone in that.  UChicago was ranked No. 9 by US News and World Reports prior to that statement.

I would be very surprised if high school guidance counselors are advising students against applying to UChicago and the application part is the only part that matters as far as the rankings are concerned.  Not yield.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: deutschfan on June 14, 2018, 12:19:58 PM
I think UC's dropping of a standardized test requirement is to aid its soccer recruiting efforts.  :)  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/university-of-chicago-eliminates-sat-act-requirement/ar-AAyDpUA?ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2018, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: deutschfan on June 14, 2018, 11:04:31 AM
UC didn't get its ranking due to overzealous or unjustified touting by guidance counsellors.  Many will counsel students contemplating UC to consider Stanford, Harvard or Duke for a more well rounded college experience (translation--less onerous).  UC's ranking is based on a faculty that ranks in the top 6 in Nobel Prize winners, and a student population with an average 1500 SAT score.  Messian has built a soccer juggernaut based on legacy and admissions flexibility.  With a 79% acceptance rate and an average SAT of less than 1200 Messiah can offer admission to almost any high school graduate, and can offer full academic rides to most players considering playing at a NESCAC or UAA school.  That is a huge advantage in the recruiting process.  The disadvantage is that there are many schools in Messiah's position.  Thus it is the banners that will cinch the deal for Messiah against a Lycoming, or North Park, or Ohio Wesleyan.

Messiah isn't recruiting against North Park. It's probably recruiting against Lycoming to some degree (although, given the divergent missions of the two schools with regard to faith identity, there's probably a limit to that), and it may be recruiting against Ohio Wesleyan every now and then, although that's questionable. The Bishops have four Pennsylvanians on the roster, but they're all from the same high school, Gettysburg Area HS, which indicates some sort of special connection there. But Messiah's roster has always been built (to the best of my knowledge) upon Pennsylvanians, with most of the non-residents of the Keystone State coming from further to the northeast. Similar to Ohio Wesleyan, only one high school in Ohio seems to have consistently turned out Messiah soccer players over the years, and that's Cuyahoga Valley Christian Academy in the suburbs between Cleveland and Akron.

I understand that what you're doing is comparing like to like in terms of academic profiles. But that's not really how recruiting works. Academic profile is only one aspect of athletics recruiting. For the D3 institutions that constitute what you called the "many schools that are in Messiah's position", recruiting is more regional (if not local) than national. Messiah's reach is a little broader, because it has a specific and self-selective student profile with regard to faith identity that affects admissions and because the school's legacy of outstanding soccer allows it to extend its recruiting reach beyond that of its Commonwealth rivals. But it's not going to butt heads against schools of a similar academic profile that are too far away from Grantham, PA to have any recruiting-footprint crossover.

The other factor besides geography is mission identity. As an evangelical school, Messiah is targeting a different type of student than the type that traditionally leans towards a Lycoming or an Ohio Wesleyan. That plays out in terms of soccer recruiting as well. North Park is an evangelical school, too, but it has an enrollment policy that is not faith-based, so the school's evangelical mission identity is not particularly prominent in its typical student-athlete population. I'd have to ask NPU head coach John Born about this, but I'd be surprised if North Park has ever gone up against Messiah for a high-school prospect before.

Messiah recruits to some degree against North Park's CCIW rival, Wheaton, which is an evangelical school that requires a statement professing faith in Jesus Christ as personal Savior on the part of all applicants. Wheaton recruits nationally, from a far broader footprint than Messiah's; its various sports rosters have as much of a Rand-McNally vibe as do any of the UAA schools. Nevertheless, because they're targeting the same sort of high-skill teenage evangelical soccer players, and because Messiah's recruiting footprint is the nation's most heavily-populated region, Wheaton and Messiah occasionally butt heads on the recruiting trail. Wheaton soccer people right now are blaming Wheaton's current decline in part upon faltering in the recruiting battles against Messiah, after a burst of major success on the pitch earlier in this decade that took Wheaton all the way to the national championship match back in 2014. Thing is, though, the 2014 Wheaton roster was as Illinoisian-heavy as the school's ever had for a successful sports team, to the best of my knowledge, and it's always seemed as though Wheaton's soccer players come from the Midwest, the South, and California, anyway (i.e., well outside of Messiah's recruiting range).

North Park has built is success upon two discrete recruiting sources: Chicagoland and Scandinavia (in particular, Sweden and Norway). In terms of the Chicagoland aspect, NPU's recruiting rivals are mainly such other local powers as Loras, Carthage, UWW, and Dominican (and, to a lesser degree, the other CCIW schools besides Carthage and Wheaton, none of which have ever had any protracted success in this sport). The Scandinavian aspect makes North Park more or less sui generis; other schools may have a Swede or a Norwegian or two, but nobody else in D3 traffics in the sort of volume, or program identity, that NPU has vis-a-vis Scandinavian soccer players. In that regard, NPU really isn't competing against anybody other than whatever stray D3 school around the country may have latched onto a Scandinavian prospect here or there via scouting services.

I get what you're saying about Messiah's banners, and, yeah, the more successful a program is the better it competes for recruits. But in terms of specifics, if you really want to paint a picture of who (and how) Messiah recruits, you have to look beyond the banners and the school's academic profile. You also have to look at location, recruiting reach, and general student profile with regard to faith identity.

(My apologies for posting something without a lot of UAA content to the UAA board.)
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on June 15, 2018, 10:17:37 AM
Quote from: Falconer on June 13, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
I put much more credence on objective numbers than on subjective ratings. An example of one such number is scores on national examinations, such as the LSAT or the MCAT or the CPA exam. That last number is made public indirectly, in a book published by the relevant professional organization. Finding every school on the internet, even if possible, would take longer than a week of soccer games. I know a few people who teach or did teach (retired) accounting at Messiah (including someone whose services I have used), and from them I know that the accounting major at Messiah is absolutely always ranked very high in PA and usually also nationally--as determined by the pass rate on the CPA exam. With that in mind, I found this on their web site:

"Our students regularly exceed the national average pass rate for first-time test takers. In 2016, our pass rate was 83.8%. In comparison, the national average was only 55.4%. Messiah ranked #1 in Pennsylvania (out of 74 programs); #1 for medium-sized accounting programs in the nation (out of 294 programs); and #10 in the nation overall (out of 858 programs)." https://www.messiah.edu/accounting-major-pennsylvania

Now I gather they didn't do quite that well in 2017, since they pass over it without comment, but I know that in the years before the current PA licensing requirement of completing 150 credit hours was instituted, students often took the exam before or just after graduating. In those days, Messiah and the Wharton School at Penn often finished 1-2, in either order depending on the year. Many of the Penn students, however, were MBA students, so it wasn't exactly apples and apples. After the change, undergraduates almost never take the exam for obvious reasons. Despite numbers like this, some web sites that list top schools for studying accounting in PA consistently rank Messiah well down the list. Why? Partly b/c it's not a very "selective" college; a large percentage of applicants are admitted. That's true, but more than a little misleading in this context. Penn is typically ranked #1 on those lists, which is fair enough given the objective numbers. But then, Messiah should be #2, if not #1.

So, if a soccer player wants to study accounting, ... you can do the math. Why go to a UAA school or a NESCAC, if you can get a top 10 accounting education and play in a Final Four at Messiah?  :o

With regard to the statement I've put in boldface:  I wonder where you got that info, because it seems unlikely to me, based on my personal experience.  I got my MBA from Wharton, and very, very few of my fellow MBA students majored in Accounting.  Even fewer, if any, were preparing for the CPA exam. 

More generally, this feeds into whether this is a valid metric for comparing schools.  If getting a CPA isn't an objective for very many students at one school (and I doubt that it is for most Wharton undergrads, much less the MBA students) while it is an objective for students at another school, then using pass rates on the CPA exams to compare those schools really is comparing apples and oranges.

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Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on June 15, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2018, 02:23:25 PM
The Scandinavian aspect makes North Park more or less sui generis; other schools may have a Swede or a Norwegian or two, but nobody else in D3 traffics in the sort of volume, or program identity, that NPU has vis-a-vis Scandinavian soccer players.

Is this attributable to one particular coach or administrator, past or present? 

And does North Park just do Scandinavia better then every other US college or university with a Swedish heritage?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 15, 2018, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on June 15, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 14, 2018, 02:23:25 PM
The Scandinavian aspect makes North Park more or less sui generis; other schools may have a Swede or a Norwegian or two, but nobody else in D3 traffics in the sort of volume, or program identity, that NPU has vis-a-vis Scandinavian soccer players.

Is this attributable to one particular coach or administrator, past or present? 

Yes, current head coach John Born. The credit for what North Park soccer has become belongs to him, although his chief assistant Kris Grahn has become an instrumental part of bringing NPU to D3's highest echelon as well.

North Park has always had Swedish students, including four-year students and the students from NPU's sister school in the southern Swedish city of Jönköping, Södra Vätterbygdens Folkhögskola, who take part in the annual exchange program between the two schools. And North Park occasionally had Swedish soccer players before the Born era, all of whom, to the best of my knowledge, were walk-ons. One of them, Magnus Ramstrom, was a four-time All-CCIW first-team selection in the early '90s, and a couple of others made the All-CCIW team in the '90s as well.

But it wasn't until John Born arrived in 1999 that the NPU soccer program got intentional about recruiting Swedes. A few years earlier NPU had decided to take advantage of Chicago's prominence as a major center of world trade by adding an international business major and then marketing it to Scandinavians by having the school's Center for Scandinavian Studies work in tandem with the admissions department. That dramatically increased the number of Scandinavian students on campus, and international business is still the most popular major among NPU's Scandinavian students (although a surprising number of current Swedish and Norwegian student-athletes are majoring in sports medicine).

John astutely deduced that an academic program designed to attract Scandinavian students to North Park could be used as a recruiting tool for the soccer program. Since Sweden in particular had a reputation for being a soccer-crazed country (six different levels of soccer -- the top two tiers are professional, and the middle two are mixed pro/am, and all in a country with a population of only a little over ten million people) with a reputation for turning out players who have high skill levels, and since North Park is a school of Swedish-American origin that still actively upholds its ethnic heritage in myriad ways, it was the logical place to start. So he began using Swedish scouting services, visited the country, and began to make contacts over there.

I need to emphatically state that John turned around the program -- NPU won only one match in 1998, the season before he arrived -- and built it into a regional power mostly with Americans. The early teams that finally broke Wheaton's hegemony over the CCIW and made the program's first inroads into the D3 tourney typically had anywhere from two to four Swedes on the team. They were difference-makers, to be sure, but the makeup of the Vikings was still essentially American.

That's changed within the past four or five years, as the international presence on the roster has really exploded. Part of that has to do with the addition of the Norwegian pipeline, which began with the arrival of midfielder Markus Fodstad early in this decade; since graduating, Markus has gone into scouting and has been instrumental in helping to establish that Norwegian presence on the NPU roster. Part of it is that the word's getting around about North Park in general among Europeans looking to come over and play here; last season's roster included an English player and a German player as well.

North Park soccer is where it is today because of both the Americans and the Scandinavians. But the Scandinavians have accounted for twenty All-CCIW players for North Park under John Born's tutelage, including three CCIW Player of the Year awards, four scoring titleists, and two All-Americans (fittingly, one Swede and one Norwegian). The All-American from Sweden, Kris Grahn, stayed on in Chicago after graduation, married an American, and is now the associate head coach of the Vikings.

Quote from: WUPHF on June 15, 2018, 12:11:58 PMAnd does North Park just do Scandinavia better then every other US college or university with a Swedish heritage?

I'm not in a position to say, one way or the other. North Park's ethnic sister schools all seem to have at least some sort of vestigial tie to the homeland:

https://www.augustana.edu/swenson

https://www.augustana.edu/academics/areas-of-study/scandinavian-studies

https://gustavus.edu/scand-studies/

https://www.bethanylb.edu/product-category/swedish-crafts/

I will say this, though -- North Park is the only Swedish-American school that has actively recruited Scandinavian student-athletes, let alone had any success with them. (NPU has had a number of outstanding golfers and track & field athletes from Scandinavia as well in recent years.)
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: deutschfan on June 15, 2018, 06:41:05 PM
To bring this back to UC recruiting and the merits of its academic ranking--here are examples of UC student athletes' lives after soccer.  UC won its first UAA title in 2001.  This is what became of some of that team's impact players:  Pat Barry-- UC Law School grad and University of Michigan Law School Professor; Pat Calleo--JP Morgan Investment Banker; Ben Johnson--Cyber security company founder and UC computer science masters level lecturer;  Dr. Micah Prochaska--Internist affiliated with the UC Hospital; Barret Van Sicklin--Wisconsin Super Lawyer and partner specializing in labor litigation; and Matt Wiechert--Activist short firm founder and co-star of "The China Hustle," a Mark Cuban film about outing fraudulent Chinese companies.  Not too shabby and a pretty strong testament to the value of the UC student athlete experience.  Coach Babst has a lot of material to work with for a recruiting pitch.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 15, 2018, 06:44:17 PM
WUPHF, given this salvo by a supporter of your school's archrival, you're now on the clock to provide a list of the high-profile careers of selected Wash U soccer alumni. ;)
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on June 16, 2018, 04:06:43 PM
Hmmmm...I did not follow Washington University athletics prior to 2005 and I think the only season I followed Men's Soccer closely was 2011.  I know that team has a bunch of software engineers at least one entrepreneur who has had his share of successes with start-ups.

That team has a guy who plays professional indoor soccer locally for the St. Louis Ambush.

I'll have to call Joe Clarke on Monday.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on August 22, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
While there's been a decent amount of discussion about UAA sides in isolation, I figured it might be time for a solid preview. I have watched far more of Brandeis, Chicago, and Rochester than any of the other conference sides (hence the long paragraphs for those teams versus the other five), so bear with me. That being said, I've seen enough of each to have an idea of how they operate.

I think Chicago will be better than last year, and has to start as clear-cut favorites in the UAA. They absolutely bossed North Park in the semifinal last year — the fact that they didn't win that game was an absolute travesty. Don't get me wrong, North Park was/is a good side, but Chicago was well on top on the day, and I think would have given Messiah an equally tough time in the final. This is not to disparage North Park — to their credit, the Vikings did beat the Maroons during the regular season last year — but rather just to say that Chicago played with the swagger of a potential national champion in that game — and, without many graduation losses, could well find itself back at that stage. Aside from goal, they didn't really lose all that much, although I think four-year starter Reimann could leave behind a void in terms of leadership. We did not see much of Katsimpalis (aside from his deputizing in goal during the shootout against Emory, where he saved the crucial penalty that sent Chicago to the Final 4) so it will be interesting to see how he stacks up in comparison to Bonin. They will certainly score goals with Lopez, Koh, and Adeosun, among others, and the spine remains relatively intact with the return of Capotosto, impressive rookie Romero, and others. Babst has been building a machine of a program that has been in the tournament the last four years running, and I certainly expect that they'll make it five this year. And while the 2016 side was No. 1 for an extended period of time before their Sweet 16 upset at home to Redlands, I think this team is better than the one that Chicago fielded that year — Lopez has gone from strength to strength, and the spine has improved, as well. I'm not saying that Chicago for sure wins the national title this year, but it is tough to name a better team this side of Messiah.

With Brandeis, I am waiting for the season to start before drawing too many conclusions. That being said, they have a very solid back four returning (DePietto will likely slide into Vinson's position). Irwin, while not as imposing as Woodhouse, also impressed during his cameos last year. The real losses, however, will be in midfield and up top. Ocel was a once-in-a-decade talent in attacking midfield and Hernandez had incredible ability to motivate and rally the troops, in addition to serving as destroyer in midfield. Gans will have a big weight on his shoulders as the only returning starter in midfield — I do wonder if Margolis will draw upon returners to fill the other holes or use a new player, as the incoming class looks strong to me, and Evan Glass was the other freshman that really caught the eye last year. The forward line, meanwhile, lost Lynch and Flahive. Neither was banging in 15 goals a season but they were both big in clutch moments and were huge players for the Judges. I would perhaps expect to see Panarra (who played in a number of positions) fill one of the outside forward roles (the other one, I have no idea), while Allen plays through the middle. He bagged six goals last year and I think he has the potential to improve on that tally. I think they will probably play a variation of 4-3-3, but rather than having two No. 6s and one No. 8 they may have one No. 6 and two No. 8s. That being said, they'll set up to maximize strengths — they've been known to play a 3-5-2 at times — so we'll see. A brutal non-conference schedule which includes Endicott, Gordon, WPI, Springfield, Babson, and Amherst, as well as Tufts, who has to be considered one of Brandeis' biggest non-conference rivals (perhaps second to Babson, which has historically always been the Judges' pre-eminent rivalry). As far as talent goes, I would say Brandeis has lost a lot in the last two years, but talent alone doesn't win games — it's my opinion that the 2016 side, which scraped its way into the tournament, was more "talented" than last year's side, whose bid was always relatively safe, but both teams made it to the Final 4 — so while this side doesn't have a ton of household names yet, I think the team culture and system will see them through more games than not.

Rochester is much like Brandeis — not a ton of household names, but a cohesive culture and system. I expected them to struggle for goals last year after losing Ben Swanger and Greblick, but Rouin emerged from nowhere as a bit-part player during his first three years to bang in 14 goals and earn All-American honors. Di Perna also had a good season last year, and I think both will be big losses. I think this team will rely heavily on Ikeda for an offensive spark. He is a player for the big occasion and while I don't think he'll score 10+ goals I figure his experience will be big. Again, not sure how Rochester does aside from being "in" every game, but after Rouin's emergence last year it will be interesting to see if a new leader emerges for the Yellowjackets this season.

WashU is led by Sproule, who has been the Bears' target man for three years now. He really burst on to the scene as a freshman, and has maintained a solid level of productivity up top. He's a handful — tall, physical, and fast — and I think he has All-American potential if he can have a productive season. They got thumped 4-1 in an exhibition with D1 St. Louis University on Sunday, and have a very solid non-conference schedule including OWU, Benedictine, Wartburg, and Wheaton (IL), but the Bears are always a tough out and I think they will have a solid season.

Emory is my darkhorse for this year. The Eagles had a surprise run to the Elite 8 last year — they were down 2-1 and firmly on the bubble for NCAA selection with less than 10 minutes to go against Rochester — but came back to tie it 2-2 and win 3-2 in overtime. Even then, it was far from certain that they'd get a bid, but they managed to get in and make the most of their new lease on life. Khattab has really emerged as a star for Emory these last few years, and I think is in for a big senior season.

Case returns 83% of its goals this year. I was really impressed with Magruder as a freshman, and his dipping volley against Chicago seemed to be setting CWRU on course for a big win until Lopez equalized with five minutes left. The Spartans have the customary tough schedule as is the case with Bianco, playing non-conference tilts against John Carroll, Kenyon, and Capital, but if they can get a result in those two games and go .500 or better in UAA play I think they could be in with a shout for an NCAA bid.

2006 Final 4 participant NYU may still be at the basement of the UAA, but the Violets put together consecutive winning seasons in 2016 and 2017. Solid non-conference schedule includes Rutgers-Camden, Rowan, and Drew. Maxi Rodriguez (albeit not the guy who used to play for Liverpool/Argentina) had a great freshman season, scoring 7 goals (3 in conference) and providing two assists. He is certainly one to watch. NYU has a number of unique obstacles to get past in terms of recruiting/location/etc. in comparison to other UAA schools (the team doesn't have a field on campus and has to travel to even practice) but — even if a return to NCAAs appear to be a bit off — I think they will finish above .500 again.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on August 22, 2018, 04:16:22 PM
Nice write-up.

I did not make it down for the exhibition, but the report I heard was that the Bears generally looked like a team that was playing after one day of practice.  SLU is not the 10 national championships program of yore, but they are the favorite to win the A-10 this season.

Very encouraged to see a freshman in Max Panagos get the goal.

Should be one to watch from what I was told.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Ommadawn on August 22, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on August 22, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
The forward line, meanwhile, lost Lynch and Flahive. Neither was banging in 15 goals a season but they were both big in clutch moments and were huge players for the Judges. I would perhaps expect to see Panarra (who played in a number of positions) fill one of the outside forward roles (the other one, I have no idea), while Allen plays through the middle. He bagged six goals last year and I think he has the potential to improve on that tally.

D1 transfer Nardizzi should be able to step in right away and pick up a big chunk of the scoring load for Brandeis.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on August 22, 2018, 05:09:30 PM
Quote from: Ommadawn on August 22, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
D1 transfer Nardizzi should be able to step in right away and pick up a big chunk of the scoring load for Brandeis.

I heard about Nardizzi's arrival and that he is apparently quite a talent, but wasn't sure if there would be a "bedding in" process like when Soboff arrived from Rutgers. Apparently he started out trying to do too much on his own but after some nurturing gelled in very well and was an excellent playmaker for Brandeis. Would be great if Nardizzi could hit the ground running.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: TyWebb on August 22, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
Blooter, thanks for the great write up. Any reason Carnegie Mellon wasn't discussed?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on August 22, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: TyWebb on August 22, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
Blooter, thanks for the great write up. Any reason Carnegie Mellon wasn't discussed?

Oof, spaced on them!

The Tartans fell off towards the end of last year, which probably cost them an NCAA bid, as they had some great results in the first half of the season. The year prior, they got bounced by eventual runner-up Calvin in the 2nd Round; definitely a tough draw that year with OWU and Calvin in the first two rounds. That being said, they haven't made it past the first weekend of the tournament in quite some time, which I think they would agree is underachieving given how good some of those squads (2012-13 comes to mind, in particular) have been. Per usual, very tough start to the season with Kenyon and Lycoming in the first week or so. John Carroll is another difficult non-conference test. Masciopinto had yet another great year last year and definitely has All-American potential in my book. If they can go 2-0 against Kenyon and Lycoming at home I think they'll be off to a flier, regardless of how the Denison result on 8/31 goes. I am sure they will be solid in UAA play but can't say much beyond that — they dominated Brandeis last year on the road but lost 2-0 due to slack defending from corners and a blinder from Woodhouse in goal. Apparently there were some handbags after the game involving two players and the head coach snubbing handshakes, which is disappointing if true, and I'm sure that game in particular will be feisty again this year (albeit on CMU's field). Again, that is unverified information and I'm not trying to re-litigate it — just opining that game will be one to watch.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2018, 01:19:59 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on August 22, 2018, 02:51:42 PMAside from goal, they didn't really lose all that much, although I think four-year starter Reimann could leave behind a void in terms of leadership. We did not see much of Katsimpalis (aside from his deputizing in goal during the shootout against Emory, where he saved the crucial penalty that sent Chicago to the Final 4)

Seriously? After going on and on about the NPU vs. U of C semifinal, you completely missed the fact that Katsimpalis replaced Bonin at keeper in the semifinal's shootout?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on August 23, 2018, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2018, 01:19:59 AM
Seriously? After going on and on about the NPU vs. U of C semifinal, you completely missed the fact that Katsimpalis replaced Bonin at keeper in the semifinal's shootout?

Calm down. I knew he was involved in the Elite 8 shootout, but couldn't remember whether that was the case with the Final 4. Regardless, seeing him in one additional shootout doesn't really do that much more in terms of being able to evaluate him. And if we want to go after people for completely missing facts...

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 12, 2017, 12:01:03 AM
Setting aside sports that are sponsored by fewer than half of the UAA's schools (e.g., wrestling and women's golf), you have to go all the way back to the 2009-10 school year to find NYU winning a UAA title in anything (for the record, it was men's cross-country).

...which, as previously stated, is factually incorrect, since the Violets men's soccer team won the 2010-11 UAA title.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2018, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on August 23, 2018, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2018, 01:19:59 AM
Seriously? After going on and on about the NPU vs. U of C semifinal, you completely missed the fact that Katsimpalis replaced Bonin at keeper in the semifinal's shootout?

Calm down. I knew he was involved in the Elite 8 shootout, but couldn't remember whether that was the case with the Final 4.

Why wouldn't you look at the box score when you evaluate a game and then comment online about it?

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/msoc/2017-18/files/npu-ucm2.htm

Honestly, I'm not trying to jump down your throat on this, I promise. It just seemed strange to me that you didn't notice the change in keepers when the shootout began, because Dave and Ira discussed it at length on the air. First, they speculated as to whether or not Coach Babst would switch out Katsimpalis for Bonin, based upon what he had done in the Elite Eight match. Then, when it happened, they went on at length about it  -- which they should have, given that it's a huge deal when you swap out your senior starting keeper for a freshman reserve in a national semifinal. Also, there's a lot of downtime between the end of a second overtime and the start of a shootout, so Dave and Ira had plenty of opportunity to chew the fat over Katsimpalis-for-Bonin. I remember that they even brought up the fact that Katsimpalis wasn't entirely unproven, Elite Eight shootout or not, since he had started (and finished) five matches in late October and early November for the Maroons.

Quote from: blooter442 on August 23, 2018, 08:16:13 AMRegardless, seeing him in one additional shootout doesn't really do that much more in terms of being able to evaluate him.

I agree. It would be foolish to evaluate a keeper based upon a couple of shootouts. The only reason that I posted was the fact that your bringing up Katsimpalis subbing in at keeper in the Elite Eight shootout but omitting that he subsequently did so as well in the Final Four shootout simply looked odd and begged for comment.

Quote from: blooter442 on August 23, 2018, 08:16:13 AMAnd if we want to go after people for completely missing facts...

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 12, 2017, 12:01:03 AM
Setting aside sports that are sponsored by fewer than half of the UAA's schools (e.g., wrestling and women's golf), you have to go all the way back to the 2009-10 school year to find NYU winning a UAA title in anything (for the record, it was men's cross-country).

...which, as previously stated, is factually incorrect, since the Violets men's soccer team won the 2010-11 UAA title.

Really? You're bringing up something dating back to last December that I've already admitted? How is this even remotely germane to the topic at hand?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on August 23, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2018, 01:45:39 PM
Why wouldn't you look at the box score when you evaluate a game and then comment online about it?
Why would I look at the box score when I recall a game? As for why wouldn't I, if I went back and reviewed box scores every time I commented on a game, I probably wouldn't have time for anything else. Sure, I looked at a few schedules in writing that post, but I can generally recall the flow of the matches I watch. Even if I miss something, I can still sleep at night. You are probably correct that they made a big deal of it, but quite candidly that night I had watched more than 214 minutes of soccer by that point, and it had happened in Chicago's previous match as well, so I probably didn't think much of it.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2018, 01:45:39 PM
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/msoc/2017-18/files/npu-ucm2.htm

Honestly, I'm not trying to jump down your throat on this, I promise.
When your only comment on an eight-paragraph post is to take issue with one particular line, start your response with "seriously?" and use phrases like "going on and on," and "completely missed the fact," it can come across as rather condescending. That may not have been your intent, but that's how it was read. I will take you at your word, though, and chalk it up to a miscommunication.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2018, 01:45:39 PM
Really? You're bringing up something dating back to last December that I've already admitted? How is this even remotely germane to the topic at hand?
Why? Because you expressed incredulity that I could "completely miss [a] fact." Certainly I am not perfect, but it just seemed to me a bit "holier than thou" to call someone out on missing a fact when you yourself have done so. Again, we can chalk it up to a miscommunication.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on August 31, 2018, 06:33:02 PM
I am watching the Washington University-Ohio Wesleyan game and I have a question.

Did the rules change regarding the sideline officials and their role in calling fouls?

I have seen three that appeared to be called from the sideline in the first half

The Bears are looking pretty good and holding the majority of the possession and a few opportunities but they could not finish.  They also caught a big break with 15 minutes left in the half as OWU had a point-blank shot that rattled off the cross bar.

Edit: I watched most of the game.  Ohio Wesleyan looked much better in the second half and eventually broke through with 6 minutes left to get the only goal of the game.  Washington University had a number of opportunities in the final minutes (finishing with a 8-4 advantage in shots on frame), but could not get one past the keeper.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 01, 2018, 06:13:52 PM
Washington University trails Benedictine 2-0 late in the first half despite the 13-2 advantage in shots on goal including a few point blank shots.  Washington University is the better team in every regard.  A loss today will haunt them for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 01, 2018, 11:06:33 PM
Washington University was able to tie things up at 2-2 but Benedictine would strike again on a header at the 75 minute mark to win 3-2.  The Bears created opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, but could not find the back of the net.

Coach Clarke had mentioned injuries...

It appears that at least two players did not play including the freshman who scored against Saint Louis University.

Tough, tough, tough loss.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 02, 2018, 12:55:39 AM
Chicago opened its season with a 1-0 win over Southwestern down in Texas. Matthew Koh scored in the 58th minute with the only tally of the contest.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on September 02, 2018, 10:43:35 PM
Fun game to watch. #3 Chicago leads at #17 Trinity 3-1 on goals by Lopez, Adeyosun and Koh. 30 mins to play.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 02, 2018, 11:27:30 PM
Trinity (TX) and Chicago going to OT tied at 3-3. The Tigers were robbed of what should have been a PK when Matthew Koh took down a Tigers attacker on a breakaway in the box with five minutes to go that wasn't whistled.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Ommadawn on September 02, 2018, 11:32:36 PM
A gritty comeback for Trinity to equalize. Chicago seems to be less affected by the Texas heat and humidity than Trinity, but it's surely a battle of attrition at this point.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 02, 2018, 11:48:25 PM
The attrition has expanded to red cards, as each team has a player sent off -- Romero for the Maroons, Moore for the Tigers. It'll be ten-on-ten in the second OT.

It's a very entertaining match between two high-powered sides. The English broadcaster for Trinity (TX) is a hoot as well. It's like a bit of Premier League vibe in Stetson-and-chili country.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on September 02, 2018, 11:54:17 PM
Greg,

Not sure I saw the take down by koh with 5 mins left but imho  The pk for trinity to tie the game was a horrible call and the tackle on koh with a minute remaining was an obvious penalty and should have been a pk.   
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on September 02, 2018, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: 4samuy on September 02, 2018, 11:54:17 PM
Greg,

Not sure I saw the take down by koh with 5 mins left but imho  The pk for trinity to tie the game was a horrible call and the tackle on koh with a minute remaining was an obvious penalty and should have been a pk.

Both of the non-calls looked like penalties to me.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 03, 2018, 12:05:01 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on September 02, 2018, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: 4samuy on September 02, 2018, 11:54:17 PM
Greg,

Not sure I saw the take down by koh with 5 mins left but imho  The pk for trinity to tie the game was a horrible call and the tackle on koh with a minute remaining was an obvious penalty and should have been a pk.

Both of the non-calls looked like penalties to me.

They showed Koh's takedown at the 4:56 mark on a replay. it was pretty blatant.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 03, 2018, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: Ommadawn on September 02, 2018, 11:32:36 PM
Chicago seems to be less affected by the Texas heat and humidity than Trinity

I agree completely. As I said in the National Perspective room, Chicago had three great chances in the second OT and Trinity (TX) really didn't have any -- and on all three chances it appeared as though the Tigers were dragging a bit.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 04, 2018, 08:20:20 AM

Is the Trinity-Chicago match still viewable online?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: mondomike on September 04, 2018, 09:39:15 AM
looks like it still is viewable:

https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/msoc/2018-19/live/180902_Chicago

Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on September 04, 2018, 08:20:20 AM

Is the Trinity-Chicago match still viewable online?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 04, 2018, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on September 02, 2018, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: 4samuy on September 02, 2018, 11:54:17 PM
Greg,

Not sure I saw the take down by koh with 5 mins left but imho  The pk for trinity to tie the game was a horrible call and the tackle on koh with a minute remaining was an obvious penalty and should have been a pk.

Both of the non-calls looked like penalties to me.

The 5 minute mark is in reference to the gap between End of Regulation and start of OT.    It's the clumsy foul with 1 minute remaining.  Absolute PK and not even close.

I cannot believe a PK was called against Chicago.  It was a foul... by the Trinity attacker for pulling the Chicago defender down by the shirt.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 04, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
Thanks for clearing that timeframe up. I turned on the game in the final minute of regulation.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on September 04, 2018, 01:02:29 PM
One interesting thing I noticed about the U of C-Trinity game: the final whistle at the end of extra time blew exactly three hours after the scheduled start of the match. Whether or not the match started on time, I don't know — I tuned in late in the second half — but even with extra time soccer matches very rarely last three hours (from scheduled start to the final whistle) in my observation, and that goes for matches which go to PKs as well.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on September 04, 2018, 07:33:28 PM
The feed started on time at 8:00 central with both teams going thru pregame warm ups.  The game itself didn't start until 8:25-8:30.  I don't remember any mention as to the late start, but did go back to look at the Trinity womens result and it was at home and went 2OT.  Box score didn't give a start time but I would guess that led to the late start.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 04, 2018, 08:42:04 PM
Looks like Brandeis has thrown the hammer down on its athletic dept as was expected after the basketball scandal. Now we have the swimming coach in some hot water. This is some serious stuff especially in 2018 and Brandeis did the right thing here. Was a bit surprised they demoted a couple of them instead of firing them but they certainly and rightly made an example of those involved. From Deadspin:

https://deadspin.com/brandeis-cleans-house-after-investigation-into-basketba-1828811340/amp
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on September 04, 2018, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on September 04, 2018, 08:42:04 PM
Looks like Brandeis has thrown the hammer down on its athletic dept as was expected after the basketball scandal. Now we have the swimming coach in some hot water. This is some serious stuff especially in 2018 and Brandeis did the right thing here. Was a bit surprised they demoted a couple of them instead of firing them but they certainly and rightly made an example of those involved. From Deadspin:

https://deadspin.com/brandeis-cleans-house-after-investigation-into-basketba-1828811340/amp

One giant mess. Still makes me angry that this was allowed to happen, although I am not naïve enough to think this is an anomaly.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on September 08, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
Totally irritated with Univ Rochester for STILL charging to watch games, especially with one of my kids a recent graduate.  Thought they would have corrected this mistake by now.  70K a year, a supposedly thriving university, major university medical complex, and charging to watch D3 athletic events.  Will not watch. 
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on September 08, 2018, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on September 08, 2018, 07:58:54 PM
Totally irritated with Univ Rochester for STILL charging to watch games, especially with one of my kids a recent graduate.  Thought they would have corrected this mistake by now.  70K a year, a supposedly thriving university, major university medical complex, and charging to watch D3 athletic events.  Will not watch.

I do it out of principle after paying to watch Brandeis win there, and win the UAA title, in 2015, only to see absolutely nothing because – unbeknownst to me – it doesn't work if you have an ad blocker on. Never got my money back or got to see a video of the winning goal. Ah well. Still a little bit salty, but I'd rather them win and me not see it rather than not win and see it.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on September 09, 2018, 11:21:54 AM
Watched a good portion of the CMU vs Lycoming game Friday night. CMU looked very talented and I think they will compete with Chicago for the UAA crown. Chicago still the clear favorites but I think this team can sneak up and challenge them come conference play. Lycoming was a worthy opponent but CMU moved the ball easily against the defensive pressure and never looked disrupted when in possession. I have not looked at the preseason poll for the UAA, but based on last year and the start this season, I would rank them as follows for the league:

1. Chicago
2. Emory
T3. Rochester/CMU
5. Brandeis
6. Case Western
7. Wash U
8. NYU
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Falconer on September 09, 2018, 02:36:25 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on September 04, 2018, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on September 04, 2018, 08:42:04 PM
Looks like Brandeis has thrown the hammer down on its athletic dept as was expected after the basketball scandal. Now we have the swimming coach in some hot water. This is some serious stuff especially in 2018 and Brandeis did the right thing here. Was a bit surprised they demoted a couple of them instead of firing them but they certainly and rightly made an example of those involved. From Deadspin:

https://deadspin.com/brandeis-cleans-house-after-investigation-into-basketba-1828811340/amp

One giant mess. Still makes me angry that this was allowed to happen, although I am not naïve enough to think this is an anomaly.

Reading that report, it's just hard to believe that Meehan got away with stuff like that for so long. As the report says, "calling another athlete 'Jew boy,'" like really? He's expecting to get away with that at BRANDEIS? It'd be as if a coach at Messiah were to call a player a "stupid Christian," or a white coach at Howard or Fisk using the n-word toward a black player, or something along those lines. Those other things in the report are just as bad, mind you, but what could that coach possibly have been thinking? How indeed did he keep his job that long? It sounds like house cleaning was the only option.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on September 09, 2018, 05:43:05 PM
Quote from: Falconer on September 09, 2018, 02:36:25 PM
Reading that report, it's just hard to believe that Meehan got away with stuff like that for so long. As the report says, "calling another athlete 'Jew boy,'" like really? He's expecting to get away with that at BRANDEIS? It'd be as if a coach at Messiah were to call a player a "stupid Christian," or a white coach at Howard or Fisk using the n-word toward a black player, or something along those lines. Those other things in the report are just as bad, mind you, but what could that coach possibly have been thinking? How indeed did he keep his job that long? It sounds like house cleaning was the only option.

It's pretty absurd. I used to be the sports editor of the newspaper, but I usually made my writers cover basketball so I never dealt with the guy. Always wondered what he was like personality-wise. I suppose my answer is not acceptable to print.

It's tough, because I know some of the people named. However, clearly there were conflicts of interest that weren't addressed, let alone even acknowledged, and the lack of action was and is unacceptable. The process and administrators clearly failed the students.

Still, I commend the University President for taking swift action and not equivocating -- his leadership was admirable (and, in an unrelated note, he was at the men's soccer game the day after the report was released).
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on September 18, 2018, 12:00:01 AM
Given the SOS for most of these teams, these pre conference game records are impressive:

Emory                6-0-0
Rochester            5-0-0
Chicago                6-0-1
Carnegie              5-0-1
Case Western     5-1-0
NYU                     5-1-0
Brandeis               2-3-0
Wash U                1-3-0

Chicago in 3rd? 6th place NYU at 5-1-0? Brandeis and Wash U at the bottom of the table? Can't wait for conference play to get going. Looks like the UAA is picking up right where it left off from last year's post season.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on September 18, 2018, 12:58:18 PM
UAA is going to be a blood bath. Week 2 national rankings just came out and 6 of the first 7 opponents for Chicago thus far, are ranked in their respective regions with Calvin and UAA schedule upcoming.  Whoa!
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 18, 2018, 01:34:43 PM
I am sad to see Washington University Men's Soccer in such a hole.  They will get a few quality wins before the season is over, but as far as the postseason goes, it seems likely that Bears fans will have to focus on the Women's Soccer team.

Incidentally, I am going to say it here, I think Washington University Women's Soccer team turns the tide on Chicago this season and wins the league.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Flying Weasel on September 18, 2018, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 18, 2018, 01:34:43 PMIncidentally, I am going to say it here, I think Washington University Women's Soccer team turns the tide on Chicago this season and wins the league.

Does any tide need to be turned?  WashU beat Chicago last year and tied for first with them with WashU taking the UAA automatic berth.  In 2016, WashU defeated Chicago and won the UAA outright and went on to claim the national title.  In 2015 WashU beat Chicago and ended up in a first place tie with Carnegie Mellon and took the automatic berth on their way to the national final.  WashU has beaten Chicago the past seven seasons, last losing to the Maroons in 2010.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 18, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
For some reason, I was thinking that Chicago defeated Washington University in the postseason.  In Chicago but not against Chicago.  I stand corrected.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on September 18, 2018, 08:17:10 PM
Yeah. The WashU women have and will continue, IMHO, continue to have the upper hand on Chicago. I would guess that last year, Chicago was quite relieved that WashU bowed out in the sweet sixteen.  Chicago has brought in a nice first year class, but they lost an awful lot of punch to graduation.  They still have the opportunity to make another deep run this year, as does WashU, but WashU just seems to have their number.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 18, 2018, 10:31:20 PM
I take back what I said about turning the tide. I am sure I could have found a better way to say what I meant even if Chicago had knocked them out of the tourney.

But to my point, Chicago was undefeated and ranked No.1 going in to that last game of the regular season. The Washington University win was considered an upset. Chicago was still ranked higher after the loss.

Is reassessing themselves as the higher ranked team turning the tide?  I guess not.  But that was my point.  I should have skipped the cliche.

The Washington University men almost dropped their match against Fontbonne tonight. They finally got a goal with two minutes left and the another in OT to win 3-2.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on September 18, 2018, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 18, 2018, 10:31:20 PM
I take back what I said about turning the tide. I am sure I could have found a better way to say what I meant even if Chicago had knocked them out of the tourney.

But to my point, Chicago was undefeated and ranked No.1 going in to that last game of the regular season. The Washington University win was considered an upset. Chicago was still ranked higher after the loss.

Is reassessing themselves as the higher ranked team turning the tide?  I guess not.  But that was my point.  I should have skipped the cliche.

The Washington University men almost dropped their match against Fontbonne tonight. They finally got a goal with two minutes left and the another in OT to win 3-2.

True.  But WashU dominated the game.  Fontbonne scored on its only two chances, the first of which was truly an excellent strike.  Sometimes it happens.  Fortunately, WashU was able to pull out the W.

More generally, I've seen parts or all of each of their games, and I think WashU has been the better team in each game, except perhaps for DePauw, which I think was pretty even. (It was hard to see, given the weather in Greencastle that night and the fact that DePauw may have placed its camera in Indianapolis.)  So I'm not nearly as down on them as you seem to be, as I don't think that the record really reflects their play.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 19, 2018, 09:44:24 AM
I definitely agree that Washington University has been the better team in every game I have watched (I did not see the games against DePauw).  I like this team a lot.  I guess I am a little down because it is getting more difficult to see a way through the UAA blood bath that results in a postseason.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 20, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on September 18, 2018, 11:18:51 PM
Fontbonne scored on its only two chances, the first of which was truly an excellent strike. 

Fontbonne extracted the footage of both of their goals.

If others have yet to see them and were curious, definitely worth watching.

https://twitter.com/FBUGriffins/status/1042244671764942848
https://twitter.com/FBUGriffins/status/1042244718866980866
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 20, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
It seems a little weird to hear Jay's voice on another school's Twitter feed.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 20, 2018, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 20, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
It seems a little weird to hear Jay's voice on another school's Twitter feed.

The technology to do this has obviously been around for a while, but I feel like I am seeing these a lot more this year.  Just wait until the other CCIW schools are posting clips with your voice.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on September 20, 2018, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 20, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on September 18, 2018, 11:18:51 PM
Fontbonne scored on its only two chances, the first of which was truly an excellent strike. 

Fontbonne extracted the footage of both of their goals.

If others have yet to see them and were curious, definitely worth watching.

https://twitter.com/FBUGriffins/status/1042244671764942848
https://twitter.com/FBUGriffins/status/1042244718866980866

And just to clarify, the shot that I was calling an excellent strike is the second link above, although it was the first Fontbonne goal.

I think the other goal was a cross that went in by accident, as I think it's unlikely that he actually meant to do that.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 20, 2018, 09:11:37 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 20, 2018, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 20, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
It seems a little weird to hear Jay's voice on another school's Twitter feed.

The technology to do this has obviously been around for a while, but I feel like I am seeing these a lot more this year.  Just wait until the other CCIW schools are posting clips with your voice.

Yeah, that would seem extremely strange.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 22, 2018, 09:14:05 AM
Tufts defeats Brandeis 2-1 last night. Besides the first 10 minutes, I thought Brandeis was completely in the game. I would venture to say that Brandeis had more dangerous chances in the game as Tufts GK Mieth had to make a couple great saves. The issue was they came out asleep especially in the back and did not wake up until 10 minutes into the game when they were down 2-0. I thought they created more dangerous chances than Tufts did but just did not finish them. This game summarized Brandeis 2 problems they have had to start the year. 1. Finishing the chances they create. 2. Sloppy mistakes in the back that lead to goals for opponents. IMO this Brandeis side is not that far off and really have not dropped off in talent this year but they MUST clean up those two issues I mentioned previously. More than likely now they will have to win the UAA which is a real tough ask but not impossible. 3 of their first 4 UAA games are at Home. They do travel to CMU as the lone Away match in between those three Home games. The 2nd to last weekend is when they travel to Chicago and Wash U. If they can get to Chicago with a 3-0-1 record they will be right in the hunt. The UAA is VERY strong this year and I could see teams beating each other up this season. Even NYU looks like they have improved. Every game will be a battle so if Brandeis can start finishing and clean up the carelessness in the back and in net I think they will be right there.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on September 25, 2018, 10:06:18 PM
Chicago's Matthew Koh is really having a fantastic season.  Koh's 2 goals and 1 assist in tonites 3-1 win at Elmhurst, gives Koh 11 goals and 6 assists (28 pts) in the pre conference slate.  Could 2 losses win the UAA? It's gonna be fun!
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2018, 08:35:02 AM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 27, 2018, 07:58:50 AM
https://www.newhomesource.com/guide/articles/top-communities-to-build-home-houston

Relevance?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on September 27, 2018, 03:24:10 PM
Pat,

Sorry.

Wrong link!

Meant to post this!

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/msoc/2018-19/releases/20180926wwhq0i

Removed the other post!

Case just beat #7 Kenyon 3-0!!!  Top 25...........here we come!
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Flying Weasel on September 27, 2018, 03:37:25 PM
Quote from: DagarmanSpartan on September 27, 2018, 03:24:10 PMCase just beat #7 Kenyon 3-0!!!  Top 25...........here we come!

You're already there!

http://www.d3soccer.com/top25/men/2018/week4
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3soccer.com%2Ftop25%2Fmen%2F2018%2F2018-D3soccer.com-Mens-Top25-Week4.JPG&hash=31979688c835c89b1e80d677c15ed6ccf6585675)
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 10:57:16 AM
Brandeis v CWU about to get going...Big game for Deis and I see maybe 1 or 2 changes to the lineup with Gans starting.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 11:03:59 AM
Yikes Noel Cotterell is in the middle for the Deis/CWU match...He is a real nice guy but his prime years of reffing are history.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 11:07:24 AM
Sloppy giveaway by Brandeis CB #15 Alex Walter leads to a dangerous Case counter and they just miss wide.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 11:17:50 AM
Brandeis has been a bit sloppy to start but Case has not taken advantage. Brandeis is in a 4-2-3-1 with Irwin in net. I swear Margolis started #22 Skylah Dias as LB and then about 10 minutes in switched him to RB. Could be wrong though. He has Walter and Panarra at CB with Gans and Burch holding and I think Miskin attacking. The Frosh #2 Panson is wide right. I am having some trouble with numbers so I might have mixed that up but its close. I like this Frosh Panson as he is dangerous with the ball. He is going to be a real solid player for them in the next couple years. Warren is wide left and Nardizzi is up top.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 11:25:21 AM
Margolis subs #8 Breiter wide left for Warren and Andrew Allen wide right for Panson. 
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 11:34:51 AM
Predictably, Brandeis stream has gone haywire. B4 the game you could hear I am guessing the SID or someone in charge yelling at someone about they have had since 7am to figure this sh*t out. It was funny at the time but I would trade that pregame chuckle for a solid stream. In what I have seen so far it is real apparent that this Brandeis side has lost 2 classes of serious talent and leadership. It might be a rebuilding year to an extent. Brandeis is still solid but not NCAA Final 4 solid. They are lacking a physical toughness in midfield that Hernandez and frankly a couple others have given them the past 4-5 years. They also are giving the ball away to much. The Brandeis of 2017 would string sometimes 6-7-8 passes together and build from the back but this year they are giving the ball away more frequently which in turn leaves them susceptible to the counter( i.e first 2 minutes of game CB Walter dribbling in the middle of field gets stripped and Case was off to the races and almost scored.)..All that being said, Brandeis can win this game as straight up they are every bit as solid as Case even in a somewhat rebuilding year.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 11:50:19 AM
Halftime Brandeis v Case 0-0...Both teams seem to be feeling it out and was a somewhat uneventful 1st half...This looks like it is going to be a whoever scores first game...First 15 minutes of 2nd half will be key.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 12:10:48 PM
Start of 2nd Half Margolis sacks 1st Half starters Panson and Dias and moves around some players but starts Andrew Allen and Evan Glass. Andrew Allen started the year off red hot scoring 3 Goals but has been in and out of the starting lineup since the beginning of the year. They need him to get back to scoring Goals as they are struggling finishing and his career stats of 65 Games Played, 13 Goals 6 Assists and 41 SOG will really be needed this year.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on September 29, 2018, 12:11:26 PM
Since the Brandeis stream is awful... Rochester dominating play during the first 15 minutes. They are very dangerous coming down the flanks and whipping in crosses. UC came out slow and needs to pick things up.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 12:22:00 PM
Interesting moves for Margolis as he is trying to find some consistency in the back. He has Handler at LB, Walter and Burch at CB and Panarra at RB. Glass and Gans are holding with Miskin attacking. Warren wide right and Allen wide left, Nardizzi up top....Lots of moving parts here but Brandeis has not had many looks on net and have yet to register a SOG. Case is dominating the stats but have only had about 2 legit chances to score.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 12:31:54 PM
Margolis gives Senior Julian Tremblay a run 2nd Half. He has played a total of 7 Career Games in 4 years. I can honestly admit I have never heard of him but nice to see him getting a run and maybe has been doing well in practice.

Nardizzi has just had 2 good looks and Devan Casey just misses as he hits the crossbar. Judges looking to be coming on a bit here. They gotta have a Win somehow today
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
Brandeis looks MUCH better 2nd Half..They are really turning up the heat on Case. Case might be a bit tired from Wednesday Night game and travel but Brandeis is getting to 50/50 balls faster, they look much fitter than Case and are using their bench much more. They just need to finish a chance here and get a Win. About 6 minutes left still 0-0 and looks like we are heading to OT but Brandeis has all the momentum.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 12:50:08 PM
Brandeis misses a golden chance with about 5 minutes left...Case player heads a long ball from a Brandeis defender backwards right into I think it was Andre Allen wide left feet. He then sends a beauty of a cross into the middle which the Case GK has issues with and Brandeis #8 Breiter has a golden look but Case GK snags the ball just in time.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
Brandeis v Case 0-0 end of regulation. Brandeis has been all over Case and look to be playing MUCH better all 2nd Half. Case looks gassed and have not had a sniff for about 25 minutes.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 01:07:20 PM
Jake Warren a solid look at the top of the box with time but skies it with his left peg.

Still 0-0 heading to 2nd OT
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 01:23:43 PM
Case has turned the tables in the 2nd OT as they are all over Brandeis with a chance or 2 to boot. Brandeis LB #7 Panarra the D1 transfer from St.John's had a huge giveaway that Case turned into a nice cross that was not finished. Brandeis backs are hitting more long balls than I have seen them hit in years especially Panarra. The problem is Warren, Allen and Nardizzi are not great in the air. Nardizzi another D1 transfer is skilled and dangerous but not very physical and not good in the air. They must play him to feet. Brandeis with a couple good looks but the game has ended...0-0 Final..Probably a fair result but Brandeis might be a bit disappointed in not finding a goal especially in the 2nd Half when they were dominating play.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on September 29, 2018, 01:42:12 PM
Not a terrible result for the Judges but they would have been worthy of a win particularly with how they played in the second half. Case came out much stronger as Brandeis — who lined up in a 4-1-4-1 for the first time that I've ever seen — kept trying to go long and Case was winning every header. I do not mind a direct ball out to the wing or occasionally over the top (or a hoof clearance under pressure) but these high balls to no one in particular confused me. Once they started playing the ball on the ground in the second half they looked much more dangerous and played some nice combinations. Work rate was once again very good. Case probably had the better of the play the first 40 mins or so but Brandeis was on top for most of the rest of the game, barring a few dangerous Case attacks in OT/2OT. Irwin did well to command his box for the most part considering the onslaught of high balls into his box.

As Mr.Right said the Judges have lost a lot over the past couple of years including a lot of physicality in midfield. When they tried to play Case direct they were getting absolutely demolished but they looked much much better once they settled down. They need to start doing that more because they really don't have the physicality to play direct as they have at times in the past. If they can play their game though they will be much more successful.

Nardizzi got into good positions a few times, including once at the end of the first OT, but while he tries to place shots he doesn't seem to get enough power. Actually, he did blast that OT chance into the side netting but he had a step on the Case defender and should have gone early to the far corner (easier said than done, for sure). The Case GK made a few decent saves but nothing you wouldn't expect, and I think that speaks to the Judges afternoon. A few efforts close but most off target. I think Breiter works hard and gets after it but he doesn't seem to have the silky skills or sprint speed of a winger. I am not sure what his best position is.

The ref was absolutely terrible. I've seen him a few times before, not only does he miss blatant calls — there was a handball in the first half in the box that was clear as day, but he claimed that the guy was pulling his arm away when it was clearly out at a 90 degree angle — but he completely loses control of the game and is super inconsistent (for both sides). Again, I understand the refs have a tough job, but in my experience he has been absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on September 29, 2018, 02:00:36 PM
Let me hear you say yeah!

Washington University downs Emory 2-1.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on September 29, 2018, 03:59:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on September 29, 2018, 02:00:36 PM
Let me hear you say yeah!

Washington University downs Emory 2-1.
Yeah, baby!!
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on September 29, 2018, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on September 29, 2018, 11:03:59 AM
Yikes Noel Cotterell is in the middle for the Deis/CWU match...He is a real nice guy but his prime years of reffing are history.

Surprising that he wasn't reffing my son's high school game, then.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 02, 2018, 12:16:46 PM
Looks like Oglethorpe busted Wash U's 5 game Winning streak including an important Win v Emory on Saturday. They sit at 5-4-0 but had they beaten Oglethorpe and gone to 6-3-0 they could have righted the ship and been back in the Pool C hunt.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 02, 2018, 12:33:30 PM
It would be interesting to know more about that game.

Ogelthorpe had scored three goals within the first 20 minutes.

Clarke had switched keepers for the game against Emory, but both keepers played last night.

I guess the Bears are going to have to run the UAA table.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
Big weekend in the UAA. Emory hosts Chicago in a rematch of the entertaining 2017 NCAA Elite 8 match that Chicago advanced on PK's. Emory did Win at Chicago 3-0 in the 2017 Regular season. This could be the match of the weekend in all D3. Could Emory start their UAA battlefield 0-2-0? I would be a bit surprised if they do not scratch out at least a Draw. The rest of the UAA will want Emory to get a result as it will bring Chicago back to the pack and give everyone a chance to Win the UAA title.

NYU travels to Case in what is a must Win for both sides. I have not seen NYU but based on results they are an improved team. They have beaten Rowan and New Paltz with what looks like a tight loss to CMU last weekend. I watched Case get a Draw at Brandeis last Saturday and I do not think they had their best stuff on the day. They were coming off a 3-0 hammering over Kenyon and might have been a bit leg heavy in 0-0 Draw. If that was their best stuff it left a lot to be desired especially in attack.

Brandeis travels to CMU in a must Win situation for Brandeis. I suppose they could get a Draw and still be in the title hunt but somewhere along the way Brandeis must get UAA Wins. They should be a bit disappointed on not beating Case last weekend. They had a couple good looks for the winner but are struggling finding the back of the net. I have seen CMU once and at least on the stream they looked to lack a bit of size in midfield and up top. They are scrappy and quick with skill. Looks like their Senior GK was injured as he missed 5 games but is back playing now. This is an experienced squad with a roster heavy with Seniors and Juniors. They have not defeated Brandeis since 2013 which is a long time in a league that is very even every year(besides NYU). I think Margolis will be very conservative with his approach in this game especially 1st Half. He will be hoping to sneak a Goal early and sit on the lead. This matchup has seen plenty of Goals in it for the most part including a 4-2 Brandeis Win in 2015 so I expect Margolis to be cautious about giving up an early goal. The more I watch these 11am matches in the UAA the more I am convinced the best strategy is to come out of the gates fired up and attack to try to sneak a Goal before your opponent wakes up.

Wash U at UR will be played Sunday morning. UR has beaten 3 Liberty League sides and 5 cupcakes. Not sure what they graduated from 2017 and I have not seen them play yet but I really respect their run in the NCAA'S last year. They were a well oiled machine. Last weekend they really took it to Chicago and probably deserved a Draw but let up a late goal to lose. Wash U has been up and down all year. This is one of those coin toss UAA games that could end in a Draw. Its interesting that without a conference tournament in the UAA you almost have to hope that other teams Draw as many games as possible to give yourself the best chance to Win the UAA if you have a loss or 2.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 11:33:20 AM
Chicago is ALL OVER Emory in the 1st Half. Chicago is dominating possession and busting all over the field. They are possessing extremely well and they are taking advantage of some real sloppy play by Emory. Chicago takes a deserved 1-0 lead in the 11th minute off a horrible giveaway in the middle of the field by Emory. Chicago hits the ball out wide and it gets served in the box right to the Emory GK. Emory GK then proceeds to absolutely muck up the play by trying to punch the ball out and basically missed the ball with his punch and it gets into the back of the net. Real sloppy stuff by Emory to start the game. 1-0 Chicago about 15 minutes left in the 1st Half
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 11:42:09 AM
Brandeis at CMU looks to be a very even and entertaining game as it is 0-0 with about 10 minutes left in the 1st Half...Ref has some serious rabbit ears as he gives Margolis a Yellow Card for complaining about a potential hand ball in the box. Actually, it was either Assistant Coach Adam Batista or Zach Abdu-Glass who was complaining that led to the Yellow Card...Good game though
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 11:46:57 AM
What a STRIKE by Brandeis #3 Devan Casey with about 5 minutes left in the 1st Half to give Brandeis a 1-0 lead. He was given plenty of space and just RIPPED it into the upper corner. GK had no chance..Interestingly, it came from a long throw behind half field by I think Handler...All that talk of long throws from the defensive third this week.....
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 11:53:26 AM
1-0 Brandeis at the Half. It will be interesting to see how Margolis plays this as Brandeis MUST get a Win here. I am betting he sits with a hard 6 and keeps his wide guys in more of a defensive shape. Stick Nardizzi up top or Allen as he is a bigger target to hold the ball up.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
As predicted Brandeis is in a 4-2-3-1 but when they lose the ball they are collapsing into a 4-5-1 with their wide players pinching in tight. I like the tactics to keep this lead...CMU bench/Head Coach gets a Yellow Card for yelling at the ref. The ref is definitely a bit sensitive but CMU bench is a bit of a disgrace with all the yelling/complaining. IIRC there is no love lost between these two Coaching staffs as a couple years ago I believe there was a ton of back and forth between the Coaching staffs in a match at Brandeis.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
1-0 Brandeis with about 15 minutes left. CMU turning up the pressure with Braneis a bit on their heels but they are still nursing this 1 goal lead. CMU almost tied it on a deep cross that was headed just wide but CMU had an open net as GK Irwin came charging out and could not get the ball. These GK's MUST stay home unless they are sure they can get the ball. That was almost the tying goal. Also, things are definitely getting heated on the field with both teams battling like crazy.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 12:50:19 PM
Brandeis gives CMU a golden opportunity with 10 minutes left off a questionable foul call by the ref right at the top of the box. CMU kid hits a beauty that clangs off the post and out of bounds...Brandeis playing with fire here as CMU has really turned up the heat...Good finish
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on October 06, 2018, 01:06:27 PM
Monster win for Brandeis. They rode their luck at times but perhaps that's the Judges' luck starting to even itself out. They were all over CMU in the first half and Casey's goal was a banger. CMU came back in the second hard but the Judges get a huge win.

Quote from: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
As predicted Brandeis is in a 4-2-3-1 but when they lose the ball they are collapsing into a 4-5-1 with their wide players pinching in tight.

The Tufts scheme.

Quote from: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 11:42:09 AM
Brandeis at CMU looks to be a very even and entertaining game as it is 0-0 with about 10 minutes left in the 1st Half...Ref has some serious rabbit ears as he gives Margolis a Yellow Card for complaining about a potential hand ball in the box. Actually, it was either Assistant Coach Adam Batista or Zach Abdu-Glass who was complaining that led to the Yellow Card...Good game though

It was Batista I think who prompted the yellow but Margolis asked the ref why it merited a yellow. That's the first time I've ever heard him talk to a ref, and I have to say -- given that he also brandished a yellow in the second half to the CMU coaching staff -- he is a bit sensitive.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 01:10:42 PM
Brandeis holds on to a 1-0 Win at CMU. Great effort by both teams frankly but Brandeis buried their chance and CMU did not. Good ranked Win for Brandeis and a solid 1-0-1 start in the UAA. Brandeis now has 6 days off to prepare for the biggest weekend of their season next Friday/Sunday with Home matches v UR and Emory. This Win should give them a nice confidence boost heading into that weekend but they cannot let up as they are 6-4-1. Jeez those losses v Gordon and at WPI are absolute killers as they should have seen out a Draw at WPI and v Gordon. Had they done that they would have been a more respectable 6-2-3 but now they have to keep digging out of this early season hole. CMU has now not defeated Brandeis in 6 years which again is amazing to me as you would figure in such a tight league they would have snuck a Win in somewhere.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 01:13:32 PM
I will say I like the competitiveness of CMU's #14 Jacob Moskowitz who was PISSED that they lost that game. He worked hard all game and you got to love it when players hate to lose. That is what makes good teams great.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 06, 2018, 04:13:21 PM
NYU defeats Case Western Reserve 3-0 on the road. Holy moly!

Chicago over Emory 2-0 on the road.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 07, 2018, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 06, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
As predicted Brandeis is in a 4-2-3-1 but when they lose the ball they are collapsing into a 4-5-1 with their wide players pinching in tight. I like the tactics to keep this lead...CMU bench/Head Coach gets a Yellow Card for yelling at the ref. The ref is definitely a bit sensitive but CMU bench is a bit of a disgrace with all the yelling/complaining. IIRC there is no love lost between these two Coaching staffs as a couple years ago I believe there was a ton of back and forth between the Coaching staffs in a match at Brandeis.

Yeah, it was at last year's game.  There was a scuffle following a foul in the second half, and although I didn't notice it at the time, there was some sort of an issue in the post-game that I think you're referring to.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 07, 2018, 12:15:07 PM
Rochester paywalls soccer games too.

Washington University leads No. 6 2-0 early in the second half thanks to Ryan and Will Sproule.  The Bears are outshooting the Yellowjackets 8-4 (5-1 shots on frame).
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 07, 2018, 12:26:39 PM
And, just like that Rochester ties it up with two goals within five minutes. 2-2 in Rochester.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2018, 02:02:44 PM
We should have a better idea this weekend after each team plays two more games on if anyone can bring Chicago back to the pack. Even if Case and CMU can get Draws at Home v Chicago it would give EVERYONE a chance at the title except maybe Emory who must Win 2 Games this weekend at NYU and at Brandeis...That might be a tough ask for Emory as their game at NYU might draw some fans because NYU is giving away as much free pizza and a free t-shirt to everyone who attends. Not sure how it works these days but when I was in school I was a sucker for free pizza...Speaking of NYU they are finally bring in some players as most of their contribution is coming from Frosh and Soph at least in attack. Frosh Oliver Kleban leads the team with 5 Goals and Junior Owen Smith has 4 Goals and 4 Assists(including the GW'er at Case). Louis Meeks is another Frosh really producing this year. The 5'6 duo of Maxi Rodriguez and Sergio Monton are also contributing and they are led in net by 6'2 Senior GK Grant Engel. With Emory and UR coming into town on the weekend we will be able to see if NYU can show they are for real.

Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 08, 2018, 04:35:20 PM
It is possible to find free pizza at WUSTL almost every day of the week and yet it still brings them in.  Hey free pizza.  Does NYU have to bus students (or do students have to take the bus or train) to games?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 09, 2018, 03:33:08 PM
The 5-4-1 Washington University Bears are ranked No. 23

Case Western Reserve lost to NYU and moved up in the rankings.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 09, 2018, 03:33:08 PM
The 5-4-1 Washington University Bears are ranked No. 23

Case Western Reserve lost to NYU and moved up in the rankings.

Hm. With WashU, I mean, after losing their first four, they have been unbeaten in 5 of their last 7, including a seismic win over Emory and a credible draw at Rochester, but I still find that interesting. With Case, I figure that's a product of other teams losing (and getting bumped down more than the Spartans).
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 09, 2018, 03:59:57 PM
The other teams losing theory surely explains the rise of both teams.

This is going to be an exciting weekend with games on both Friday and Sunday.  Chicago and Washington University traveling to Case and Carnegie.  Rochester and Emory traveling to NYU and Brandeis.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Well, even though the USC is not still putting the regional #1's in the top eight spots, then the regional #2's in spots 9 thru 16, followed by the regional #3's, and lastly a one lucky regional #4, they do still take three teams from each region and a fourth from one region.  Therefore, WashU's national ranking is due to its being #3 in the Central region.  Now that begs the question, how did they manage a #3 rankings in the Central region?  They were #6 last week and then go winless (a loss and a tie) and somehow, now 5-4-1, jump to #3, moving ahead of North Park (7-2-0) who won their only game. Go figure?!?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Well, even though the USC is not still putting the regional #1's in the top eight spots, then the regional #2's in spots 9 thru 16, followed by the regional #3's, and lastly a one lucky regional #4, they do still take three teams from each region and a fourth from one region.  Therefore, WashU's national ranking is due to its being #3 in the Central region.  Now that begs the question, how did they manage a #3 rankings in the Central region?  They were #6 last week and then go winless (a loss and a tie) and somehow, now 5-4-1, jump to #3, moving ahead of North Park (7-2-0) who won their only game. Go figure?!?

My initial thought was that perhaps it was like when Thomas College got into the USC rankings in 2015 (in all likelihood) because someone meant to put in Thomas More...maybe this was a similar situation with WashU and Mary Washington?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Well, even though the USC is not still putting the regional #1's in the top eight spots, then the regional #2's in spots 9 thru 16, followed by the regional #3's, and lastly a one lucky regional #4, they do still take three teams from each region and a fourth from one region.  Therefore, WashU's national ranking is due to its being #3 in the Central region.  Now that begs the question, how did they manage a #3 rankings in the Central region?  They were #6 last week and then go winless (a loss and a tie) and somehow, now 5-4-1, jump to #3, moving ahead of North Park (7-2-0) who won their only game. Go figure?!?

My initial thought was that perhaps it was like when Thomas College got into the USC rankings in 2015 (in all likelihood) because someone meant to put in Thomas More...maybe this was a similar situation with WashU and Mary Washington?

No.  First, Mary Washington is already in a No. 8.  Second, the USC national rankings need a third team from the Central Region . . . which is WashU this week. It's the Central Region rankings that are the head scratcher.  And Mary Washington has nothing to do with that.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Well, even though the USC is not still putting the regional #1's in the top eight spots, then the regional #2's in spots 9 thru 16, followed by the regional #3's, and lastly a one lucky regional #4, they do still take three teams from each region and a fourth from one region.  Therefore, WashU's national ranking is due to its being #3 in the Central region.  Now that begs the question, how did they manage a #3 rankings in the Central region?  They were #6 last week and then go winless (a loss and a tie) and somehow, now 5-4-1, jump to #3, moving ahead of North Park (7-2-0) who won their only game. Go figure?!?

My initial thought was that perhaps it was like when Thomas College got into the USC rankings in 2015 (in all likelihood) because someone meant to put in Thomas More...maybe this was a similar situation with WashU and Mary Washington?

No.  First, Mary Washington is already in a No. 8.  Second, the USC national rankings need a third team from the Central Region . . . which is WashU this week. It's the Central Region rankings that are the head scratcher.  And Mary Washington has nothing to do with that.

Right, and nor are Thomas and Thomas More in the same region, and I'm pretty sure Thomas More was in the 25 already at that time. I'm just saying that (and I have no idea how votes are tabulated/etc.) maybe someone (or multiple people) wrote "Washington" and it was meant to be Mary Washington instead of Washington St. Louis. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it does seem to be a mystery.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Well, even though the USC is not still putting the regional #1's in the top eight spots, then the regional #2's in spots 9 thru 16, followed by the regional #3's, and lastly a one lucky regional #4, they do still take three teams from each region and a fourth from one region.  Therefore, WashU's national ranking is due to its being #3 in the Central region.  Now that begs the question, how did they manage a #3 rankings in the Central region?  They were #6 last week and then go winless (a loss and a tie) and somehow, now 5-4-1, jump to #3, moving ahead of North Park (7-2-0) who won their only game. Go figure?!?

My initial thought was that perhaps it was like when Thomas College got into the USC rankings in 2015 (in all likelihood) because someone meant to put in Thomas More...maybe this was a similar situation with WashU and Mary Washington?

No.  First, Mary Washington is already in a No. 8.  Second, the USC national rankings need a third team from the Central Region . . . which is WashU this week. It's the Central Region rankings that are the head scratcher.  And Mary Washington has nothing to do with that.

Right, and nor are Thomas and Thomas More in the same region, and I'm pretty sure Thomas More was in the 25 already at that time. I'm just saying that (and I have no idea how votes are tabulated/etc.) maybe someone (or multiple people) wrote "Washington" and it was meant to be Mary Washington instead of Washington St. Louis. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it does seem to be a mystery.

And I'm just saying that as the #3 ranked team in the Central Region, WashU is supposed to be in the national Top 25 . . . that's straightforward, no mystery to be solved, no need to guess how or why or wonder if someone typed the wrong name.  If the situation you remember seemed to be a case of mixing up similar names, I'm not sure how that relates to the current question about WashU's national ranking.  It's the Central Region rankings which is where things don't make sense.  Are you suggesting that someone mis-wrote WashU when they meant to write the name of a team that isn't even in the Central Region?  No, for me the question is, did the coaches actually vote WashU higher than North Park (after having North Park ahead of WashU a week earlier) or was there an uncaught error in the tallying of votes?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on October 09, 2018, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2018, 09:39:32 PM
And I'm just saying that as the #3 ranked team in the Central Region, WashU is supposed to be in the national Top 25 . . . that's straightforward, no mystery to be solved, no need to guess how or why or wonder if someone typed the wrong name.  If the situation you remember seemed to be a case of mixing up similar names, I'm not sure how that relates to the current question about WashU's national ranking.  It's the Central Region rankings which is where things don't make sense.  Are you suggesting that someone mis-wrote WashU when they meant to write the name of a team that isn't even in the Central Region?  No, for me the question is, did the coaches actually vote WashU higher than North Park (after having North Park ahead of WashU a week earlier) or was there an uncaught error in the tallying of votes?

If the national rankings are tabulated largely based on each region's rankings (all the #1s, all the #2s, etc.), as it seems they are, then I get why that wouldn't be the case. I'm just saying that the only parallel I could draw where a team that didn't seem to be in the running for a national ranking somehow emerged in the national top 25 was when Thomas College randomly showed up alongside Thomas More (who was IIRC somewhere around the 15-20 spots) in the USC Top 25 one week in 2015.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on October 09, 2018, 11:24:59 PM
I can't figure out the move of WashU in the Central Region rankings as well.  It's perplexing to me, but none the less, that puts 6 UAA teams ranked in the USC 5th poll.  I remember some discussion on one of the boards about the number of teams from a conference being ranked in a single USC poll.  Has a conference ever had six teams ranked in a single top 25 poll? 

Because the UAA is comprised of so many different regions, I would think they would be the only conference to have the opportunity to do that, but has it ever happened?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 10, 2018, 10:08:17 AM
Emory starts the year 8-0-0 and are all of a sudden in a bit of a rut...They are 0-2-0 in UAA and just tied Maryville last night. At 8-2-1 and playing at a desperate Brandeis side and resurgent NYU this weekend they better figure it out quickly. I thought Emory would be in a tight battle with Chicago and Brandeis for the 2018 UAA title when the season started as they have the pieces but not sure what is going on...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2018, 03:37:51 PM
Like the Liberty League and Nescac the UAA has a MONSTER weekend for all teams starting in a couple hours. Can CMU or Case knock off Chicago at Home? The rest of the league surely hopes so. I would say this weekend is most important for Brandeis and Wash U considering those two are already teetering on the wrong side of a Pool C bubble. They both must get 2 Wins this weekend or at the very least go 1-0-1 to stay in contention. I suppose going 1-1-0 is not season over but then they would have to start relying on other teams for help. You never want to get to that point at least not this early in October. Brandeis gets UR and Emory at Home and Wash U travels to CMU and Case. I am curious to see UR as I have not seen them since their impressive Elite 8 run last season. This league is always so competitive top to bottom(minus NYU until 2018) it makes it ripe for Draws. I am guessing that trend continues this weekend with teams that can find Wins climbing over 2-3 teams in the standings.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
Brandeis goes up 1-0 on UR about 3 minutes in on an Alex Walter header off a corner. It looked like a set play as Walter's defender got picked in the box..It goes without saying what a huge goal that is.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2018, 05:27:08 PM
Brandies Noah Gabs with an opening takes a dipping rip that just misses wide left...inches from being 2-0...

UR #6 is an absolute monster up top...He is some target up there but Walter matching him well. I love Brandeis Handler's leadership, intensity and athleticism I just wish he would cut down on some of his giveaways at times. He is a solid LB but I think maybe rushes sometimes with the ball
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2018, 05:46:18 PM
UR ties it up 1-1 on about their 10th dangerous long throw. They have settled nicely into this game but TBH Brandeis GK Irwin has made me real nervy on these long throws all game. One went thru his hands and that one I could not tell if he could of gotten to as he was frozen on his line. The issue on that goal though was the UR kid and actually another one in the box were open and got free. It did not look like anyone for Brandeis went for that ball...1-1 about 10 minutes left...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
UR gets another free header off a corner that hits the crossbar. Brandeis needs to wake up a bit defending set pieces as UR has looked dangerous on them all night.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2018, 05:56:31 PM
1-1 Brandies and UR at the Half. An absolute beautiful driven ball on the carpet by Brandeis #2 Panson that splits UR defenders and leads #3 Casey but it was snuffed out by UR's GK. UR GK looks to be a solid keeper back there. I think Panson who is only a frosh is going to be a big time player. I am thinking there are more goals in this game.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 12, 2018, 06:13:13 PM
Noticed that CMU jumped out to a 1-0 lead and then checked a few minutes later and Chicago was up 2-1.  CMU needs to be getting some points from these home games or they're going to be some trouble for Pool C.  Case may be in a must win today with Wash U after losing at home to NYU.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 12, 2018, 06:30:08 PM
Case is leading Washington University 1-0 with 20 minutes left.

I am flipping between work and the game and every time I do, the Bears have possession.  The Spartans are breaking everything up.   I must have missed the Case goal and the eight shots they have.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 12, 2018, 07:08:38 PM
Was getting ready to post on CMU-Chicago when UR scores at beginning of OT to get big win over Brandeis.

Last 5 minutes CMU coach told them to go into a 2-2-1-3-2 or something like that....created a lot of pressure but no great chances.  Actually Chicago just absorbed pressure pretty much the last 20-25 minutes....did the same against Calvin.  That may burn the Maroons at some point.

And Case gets the win.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2018, 07:16:42 PM
That was so careless by Brandeis to basically hand the game to UR. First whoever was at Hatfield lazily tracked UR player to set this whole debacle up. He was jogging and that is unacceptable. Then Irwin with such a careless ball. I thought he looked shaky at times and that punctuated it all off. Sloppy stuff..Honestly the jogging at midfield and not caring about tracking the UR player pissed me off more than Irwin's bonehead play. Nevertheless it is a given Margolis will not sleep tonight. You do not deserve to win if you are as sloppy as that.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 12, 2018, 07:50:58 PM
And Emory goes down again....NYU scores in 81st minutes and then GK makes 2 saves off corners with 5 minutes left and then another one with 5 secs left.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 13, 2018, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 12, 2018, 06:30:08 PM
Case is leading Washington University 1-0 with 20 minutes left.

I am flipping between work and the game and every time I do, the Bears have possession.  The Spartans are breaking everything up.   I must have missed the Case goal and the eight shots they have.

In the first half, WashU had the majority of the possession--but in their own third and the middle third.  They had little success getting the ball into the attacking third, and when they did, they had no success at all in creating any chances, or even half chances.   There was a period of several minutes midway through the half where Case created most of its opportunities, and that's when the goal happened.  Martin came out to the right side of his goal to defend a shot that hit the post, but it rebounded in front of the goal, where a Case player was waiting to scoop it up.  The only player in position to defend for WashU was a field player, and that didn't turn out well.

As the advantage in the shots taken would suggest, the second half was almost all WashU, with only one exception I can think of when a Case player got behind the backs on a counter.  The Bears were more assertive and were able to create some decent opportunities--I recall one ball in particular that Ryan Sproule was just able to get his foot onto in the box, but he wasn't able to hit it with enough pace to beat the keeper--but none of them were tremendous chances and so it wound up 1-0.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 14, 2018, 10:48:25 AM
Seems counter-intuitive but the brutal UAA schedules don't necessarily sink a team's bid chances.  Emory could go to 0-4 in the conference today and 0-4-1 in last five and STILL land on their feet.  Eagles have 3 likely ranked already and should get to at least 4-5 ranked wins by the end (not counting if Oglethorpe or Berry end up ranked). 

Brandeis has at least 2-3 ranked wins already and also could get to at least 4-5 even with another loss today.  I could see the Judges end up 5-5-1 on RvR which with their usual very high SoS will make them interesting at selection time.

Long way of saying that some of what seem like "must win" situations may not be.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 14, 2018, 11:59:19 AM
WashU and CMU tied 1-1 at the half.  WashU started off on the back foot as the Tartans dominated the first 20 minutes and scored on a header by Elliott Cohen, who slipped behind the Bears' back line.  But then, after nearly scoring on a point blank header, WashU seemed revitalized and was the better team for the remainder of the half, scoring when Ryan Sproule went streaking down the right flank and finished from a sharp angle.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 14, 2018, 12:46:29 PM
Brandeis has been ALL over Emory this second half. Emory will be lucky to leave Waltham with a tie here if things keep up.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 14, 2018, 01:11:12 PM
Brandeis D1 transfer Nardizzi misses 2 golden opportunities late in the first OT.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 14, 2018, 01:20:17 PM
WashU wins 2-1 in the first minute of the second OT, off a rebound  following a cross from the right.  Fittingly, both goals scored by the Sproule brothers in their home town.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 14, 2018, 01:26:37 PM
Brandeis gets the well-deserved win in the last 30 seconds of the second overtime after a few poor clearances from Emory. Kudos to Emory for battling hard, but Brandeis was the better team today.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 14, 2018, 02:09:52 PM
Congrats to CWRU....huge win, including for NCAA bid as sitting pretty in Great Lakes...two big wins since loss to NYU.

UR gets 6 points on the weekend just like CWRU with two wins in 2 OTs.

Tough weekend for CMU.

Brandeis stays alive.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 14, 2018, 02:19:36 PM
Case men's soccer just knocked of NUMBER ONE ranked Chicago.

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/msoc/2018-19/releases/20181014kj0ydy

This gives CWRU FOUR wins over Top 25 teams and two wins over Top Ten teams this season.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 14, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on October 14, 2018, 01:20:17 PM
WashU wins 2-1 in the first minute of the second OT, off a rebound  following a cross from the right.  Fittingly, both goals scored by the Sproule brothers in their home town.

Thanks for the update from Friday and the updates from today. I did not get to watch the Men's game but was home in time for the Women's game. 
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 15, 2018, 09:15:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 14, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on October 14, 2018, 01:20:17 PM
WashU wins 2-1 in the first minute of the second OT, off a rebound  following a cross from the right.  Fittingly, both goals scored by the Sproule brothers in their home town.

Thanks for the update from Friday and the updates from today. I did not get to watch the Men's game but was home in time for the Women's game.

You're welcome!  Five teams are within two points in the UAA with three games to go.  It should be an exciting finish.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 20, 2018, 07:41:07 PM
Probably somewhat under the radar very good win on the road for Rochester at Endicott (with the Gulls highly motivated to get a result).
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
Random question....how do the teams that need to fly (Emory, Wash U, etc) get to Rochester.  I presume there are no direct flights.  Is the typical connection Cleveland, NYC, Columbus, I assume not a lot of directs to Buffalo either?  I also would guess that CWRU and CMU drive, but that's a long ride for Brandeis and NYU.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: d3commenter on October 26, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
Random question....how do the teams that need to fly (Emory, Wash U, etc) get to Rochester.  I presume there are no direct flights.  Is the typical connection Cleveland, NYC, Columbus, I assume not a lot of directs to Buffalo either?  I also would guess that CWRU and CMU drive, but that's a long ride for Brandeis and NYU.

Fly into Buffalo and bus down to Rochester.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: d3commenter on October 26, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
Random question....how do the teams that need to fly (Emory, Wash U, etc) get to Rochester.  I presume there are no direct flights.  Is the typical connection Cleveland, NYC, Columbus, I assume not a lot of directs to Buffalo either?  I also would guess that CWRU and CMU drive, but that's a long ride for Brandeis and NYU.

Fly into Buffalo and bus down to Rochester.

So there are direct flights to Buffalo and there's a connection and then Buffalo?  And if a connection I wonder why wouldn't fly directly into Rochester. 

And does everyone fly there except for CWRU and CMU?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: d3commenter on October 26, 2018, 02:34:57 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: d3commenter on October 26, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
Random question....how do the teams that need to fly (Emory, Wash U, etc) get to Rochester.  I presume there are no direct flights.  Is the typical connection Cleveland, NYC, Columbus, I assume not a lot of directs to Buffalo either?  I also would guess that CWRU and CMU drive, but that's a long ride for Brandeis and NYU.

Fly into Buffalo and bus down to Rochester.

So there are direct flights to Buffalo and there's a connection and then Buffalo?  And if a connection I wonder why wouldn't fly directly into Rochester. 

And does everyone fly there except for CWRU and CMU?
Brandeis used a direct flight to Buffalo and then took a bus ride from there since they are only about an hour apart.

When Brandeis and Rochester used to only play each other in a weekend, Brandeis would bus from Boston.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 03:45:46 PM
Buffalo is a bigger city with a much busier airport than Rochester. Buffalo Niagara International Airport has almost twice as many passenger boardings annually than Greater Rochester International Airport. It's likely that Buffalo's airport gets a lot more flights than Rochester's.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
It honestly depends, but I know one approach if you are Washington University or Chicago and your Friday game is against Rochester and your Sunday game is against Emory...

You fly to Atlanta, then fly direct to Rochester, spend the night, play, then fly direct back to Atlanta, play, then back home.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Lesaborian96 on October 26, 2018, 04:17:48 PM
Big game tonight with CWRU vs Rochester. Winner will likely separate themselves from the pack for the 2nd or maybe even 1st place finish in the conference if U-Chicago slips up again. Expect CWRU to come out packing tonight having a chance to cement their first Tournament Birth since like 2010
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
It honestly depends, but I know one approach if you are Washington University or Chicago and your Friday game is against Rochester and your Sunday game is against Emory...

You fly to Atlanta, then fly direct to Rochester, spend the night, play, then fly direct back to Atlanta, play, then back home.

Thank you!  I actually know my cities pretty well and had a kid go to Rochester and there almost never we're direct flights from Boston.  In my experience, Buffalo, while much bigger, also doesn't have a ton of direct flights from many big cities.  Surprised to hear there is a direct from Atlanta.

P.S.  And in fact, there's not a huge difference between the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in NY State......260kish versus 210kish.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 05:00:42 PM
I thought those were direct flights, but I did a quick Google search and it looks like they may be connecting through Baltimore or Charlotte.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 05:25:47 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 05:00:42 PM
I thought those were direct flights, but I did a quick Google search and it looks like they may be connecting through Baltimore or Charlotte.

Your idea was right.  CWRU playing UR now and then headed to Atlanta...and BTW we're up early on UR 1-0.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 05:55:33 PM
CWRU 2-1 at the half....CMU-Emory 0-0 at half...all these UAA teams are very even IMO...CMU peppered Emory early and then vice versa latter part of 1st half... CMU GK with some super saves, reminding me if wim-preserving save versus Lycoming off a free kick with about 20 secs left.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2018, 06:32:52 PM
Brandeis goes back to Cohen in net as Irwin gets the sack after Amherst match. Not sure about that move at all......Unless Margolis is now splitting the duties but Brandeis still can win the UAA and I just think at least Irwin gives you some experience in these games.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
Brandon Bowman causing problems again even as CMU is awarded a PK to go up 1-0.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
Emory close to 0-5-0 and should be well on their way to host a 1st/2nd Rnd Pod
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Brandeis not many changes in the lineup except Panson is attacking midfielder with Glass and Gans holding with Gans allowed a little freedom to attack...Allen ND Warren out wide and Nardizzi up top with Burch and Walter as CB's and Handler LB and Panarra RB
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2018, 06:58:24 PM
Nice long ball into a running Wash U Sproule into the box as he lost his defender rather easily by sprinting past Walter but Cohen looked to have blocked the angle but Sproule snuck it in because Cohen overran it and covered to much of the near post and Sproule snuck it to his left...Again careless defending and bad GK'ing as that positioning by Cohen sucked but Walter has had numerous times this season losing focus in the run of play
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 06:59:11 PM
Wow.  CWRU in OT over UR.....CMU 2-0 over Emory.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2018, 06:59:18 PM
Case defeats UR 3-2 in OT.....Brandeis had a real chance here to climb the standings but they need to clean this stuff up and find 2 Goals.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 26, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
Emory close to 0-5-0 and should be well on their way to host a 1st/2nd Rnd Pod

LOL...+k
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
It honestly depends, but I know one approach if you are Washington University or Chicago and your Friday game is against Rochester and your Sunday game is against Emory...

You fly to Atlanta, then fly direct to Rochester, spend the night, play, then fly direct back to Atlanta, play, then back home.

Thank you!  I actually know my cities pretty well and had a kid go to Rochester and there almost never we're direct flights from Boston.  In my experience, Buffalo, while much bigger, also doesn't have a ton of direct flights from many big cities.  Surprised to hear there is a direct from Atlanta.

P.S.  And in fact, there's not a huge difference between the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in NY State......260kish versus 210kish.

There is a big difference between their respective airports in terms of passenger enplanements, though. (https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/cy17-commercial-service-enplanements.pdf)
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 07:37:02 PM
Chciago leads NYU at the half, 1-0, on a Sam Drablos strike in the 32nd minute.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 26, 2018, 07:43:50 PM
And it could (should?) be 1-1, I thought that was a clear penalty that the ref missed when the U of C goalkeeper took down the NYU player.   
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 08:13:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: PaulNewman on October 26, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
It honestly depends, but I know one approach if you are Washington University or Chicago and your Friday game is against Rochester and your Sunday game is against Emory...

You fly to Atlanta, then fly direct to Rochester, spend the night, play, then fly direct back to Atlanta, play, then back home.

Thank you!  I actually know my cities pretty well and had a kid go to Rochester and there almost never we're direct flights from Boston.  In my experience, Buffalo, while much bigger, also doesn't have a ton of direct flights from many big cities.  Surprised to hear there is a direct from Atlanta.

P.S.  And in fact, there's not a huge difference between the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in NY State......260kish versus 210kish.

There is a big difference between their respective airports in terms of passenger enplanements, though. (https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/cy17-commercial-service-enplanements.pdf)

Yeah, I was very aware of Buffalo and had mentioned Buffalo several times.  Already knew Buffalo's airport is bigger.  More flights doesn't mean more directs and Buffalo isn't direct by definition since there's still a bus ride.  At any rate, I was really interested in what teams actually have been doing so was looking to hear from UAA folks who actually know.  Brandeis might go to Buffalo because there's no direct to Rochester, whereas others might not be able to avoid a connector or can get directs into Rochester.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 08:45:18 PM
I wasn't talking about direct flights. I was simply pointing out that the difference in size between the two cities is not the same thing as the difference in size and capacity between their respective airports.

Anyway, Chicago comes away with the 1-0 win. The Maroons dominated play, probably to nobody's surprise, and definitely had the better chances -- although I was impressed by the recovering ability of the Violets' defenders.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Not that anyone cares, but Atlanta definitely had a direct flight to Rochester.  That flight may have been dropped.

Washington University defeats Brandeis 2-0.

That Ryan Sproule goal is definitely worth a look: https://twitter.com/i/status/1055957879310704640

Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
The Chicago press box obviously looked at a replay and reversed the goal call. It's now credited to Adeosun, with Drablos getting the assist.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
That Ryan Sproule goal is definitely worth a look: https://twitter.com/i/status/1055957879310704640

That's a pretty goal by Sproule. Terrible play by the 'deis keeper, though. He let himself drift past the post and and had half of his body along the side of the net when Sproule struck the ball.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 26, 2018, 10:46:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2018, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
That Ryan Sproule goal is definitely worth a look: https://twitter.com/i/status/1055957879310704640

That's a pretty goal by Sproule. Terrible play by the 'deis keeper, though. He let himself drift past the post and and had half of his body along the side of the net when Sproule struck the ball.

Story of the season for Brandeis. Both keepers have been shaky at best in their decision making all year. That positioning was similar to Irwin's positioning on the first goal that Amherst scored. It doesn't help that they are both quite undersized. Based on what I've seen, I'm shocked that Irwin was recruited by Rutgers.

Goes to show how critical having a solid goalkeeper is. IMO if Woodhouse was still in net Brandeis would be tourney bound.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 11:30:05 PM
It entirely possible that the Brandeis keeper could not see the kick.

He is in position to make the save.

I have to think the keeper makes the save if he is not buzzed by No. 15. 
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2018, 10:54:45 AM
I definitely agree that Cohen might not have seen Sproule's shot cleanly as a result of #15 Walter running through his field of vision. But, as both Mr. Right and NEsoccerfan pointed out, that was clearly bad positioning by Cohen. He could've made the save, as you said, but he made it much harder on himself by drifting past the post. It not only forced him to reverse his momentum while simultaneously falling to the turf to attempt to block Sproule's wormburner, but it left half of his body effectively useless, as his right foot was planted well along the side of the net.

I don't want what I'm saying to take anything away from Sproule, who did a fantastic job of making a really difficult shot strike paydirt. That goal will be featured numerous times on the Wash U season highlight reel at the team banquet, I'm sure. But that was also poor goalkeeping by Cohen.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 27, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 26, 2018, 11:30:05 PM
It entirely possible that the Brandeis keeper could not see the kick.

He is in position to make the save.

I have to think the keeper makes the save if he is not buzzed by No. 15.


It is HIS JOB to see everything he can and be aware of what is going on around him. Basically, he needs to anticipate what is going to happen before it happens like every other player on the field. He is at fault for horrible positioning, I think I used the word "sucked" to describe his positioning last night. The goal was his fault but it was a fantastic thru ball and it looks like Gans should have closed the kid before he played it and Walter could have read the run before Sproule went. Walter also could have gotten his foot on the ball to tackle Sproule before the shot went off. It was a hell of a balancing act for Sproule but he is a fantastic player.


As NEsoccerfan stated Brandeis has had WAY to many GK'ing blunders all year that have cost them games. I would have started Irwin which I said before kickoff. He is not a great GK but more reliable than Cohen IMO and I am guessing has his teammates confidence more than Cohen does and that is more important than you think. I would tend to agree that Woodhouse would have gotten them into the NCAA's but I do not think they would have gone to far as there is blame to go around everywhere. Brandeis midfield defensively is piss poor right now as Glass does fine but Gans is an attacking midfielder not a holder. I love Alex Walter's toughness and courage but I think he makes to many mental mistakes for a CB and I would like to see him holding. The other issue is some injuries as while I am not the biggest fan of Hennessy he is a decent player and has not played in a couple games. DePietto has been injured for the past 2 years as he has not played since the Babson game and they miss him big time. Brandeis losses DePietto to graduation along with Andrew Allen,Josh Handler and Miskin. Reserve player Devan Casey is also gone but that is it so Margolis should be able to rebound next season without a problem as the past 2 years the graduation losses have been to much to handle this season. His biggest priority is to bring in a GK. Then he needs some grit especially in midfield and up top. A goalscorer would be nice as well but returning players will be improved and should score goals in 2019. You talk about Irwin and Rutgers well Nardizzi was gettin heavy minutes and starting some games for D1 UNCW so I have no answers for his lack of production against UAA teams as he has not scored a Goal in UAA play. He did hit a rocket v Amherst and his a very technical player but I would like to see him put his body out there and really get his nose in the middle of things. Also, compared to Brandeis striker of the past few years he does not work. He needs to be busting his ass up top all game not just here an there. Think about say a Zach Viera who wasn't as technical as Nardizzi but pressed and worked his ass off all game and would find goals sometimes out of nothing.  I guess I am just used to Brandeis strikers and everyone on their teams in the past to be scrappers and workers. I also took for granted how many solid GK'ers they have had in the past as this year is not even comparable.

Interestingly, Brandeis is 7-7-2 and 90% sure they are finished so how do they come out and play at Chicago? Do they give max effort? Or do they throw in the towel? Does Margolis give his young guns a run to get them some experience? Or do way see the same system with the same players? I will say that Brandeis is 90% done because I am not sure they are definitely finished. If they happened to defeat Chicago and NYU they would finish 9-7-2 BUT have a RvR of 6-5-1 which is UNREAL and a SOS of probably close to .675-.680 which is thru the roof. 6 Ranked Wins is very impressive and if folks are still giving Emory a good chance at 0-5-0 in the UAA then certainly if Brandeis finished with 2 Wins at Chicago and at NYU they will be on the bubble. 9-7-2 records are usually not good enough unless you are in the ACC in D1 but who knows. Either way I do not think Brandeis can Win these next 2 games the way they are playing right now but they have the talent to do it if they play together and FOCUS.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 27, 2018, 02:53:51 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 27, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
It is HIS JOB to see everything he can and be aware of what is going on around him. Basically, he needs to anticipate what is going to happen before it happens like every other player on the field. He is at fault for horrible positioning,

I agree, I am just saying he was in position to make the play, but had a bit of bad luck with that angle.  I am not blaming No. 15, but I think he should have gone for the ball as you said.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on October 27, 2018, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 27, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
It is HIS JOB to see everything he can and be aware of what is going on around him. Basically, he needs to anticipate what is going to happen before it happens like every other player on the field. He is at fault for horrible positioning, I think I used the word "sucked" to describe his positioning last night. The goal was his fault but it was a fantastic thru ball and it looks like Gans should have closed the kid before he played it and Walter could have read the run before Sproule went. Walter also could have gotten his foot on the ball to tackle Sproule before the shot went off. It was a hell of a balancing act for Sproule but he is a fantastic player.


As NEsoccerfan stated Brandeis has had WAY to many GK'ing blunders all year that have cost them games. I would have started Irwin which I said before kickoff. He is not a great GK but more reliable than Cohen IMO and I am guessing has his teammates confidence more than Cohen does and that is more important than you think. I would tend to agree that Woodhouse would have gotten them into the NCAA's but I do not think they would have gone to far as there is blame to go around everywhere. Brandeis midfield defensively is piss poor right now as Glass does fine but Gans is an attacking midfielder not a holder. I love Alex Walter's toughness and courage but I think he makes to many mental mistakes for a CB and I would like to see him holding. The other issue is some injuries as while I am not the biggest fan of Hennessy he is a decent player and has not played in a couple games. DePietto has been injured for the past 2 years as he has not played since the Babson game and they miss him big time. Brandeis losses DePietto to graduation along with Andrew Allen,Josh Handler and Miskin. Reserve player Devan Casey is also gone but that is it so Margolis should be able to rebound next season without a problem as the past 2 years the graduation losses have been to much to handle this season. His biggest priority is to bring in a GK. Then he needs some grit especially in midfield and up top. A goalscorer would be nice as well but returning players will be improved and should score goals in 2019. You talk about Irwin and Rutgers well Nardizzi was gettin heavy minutes and starting some games for D1 UNCW so I have no answers for his lack of production against UAA teams as he has not scored a Goal in UAA play. He did hit a rocket v Amherst and his a very technical player but I would like to see him put his body out there and really get his nose in the middle of things. Also, compared to Brandeis striker of the past few years he does not work. He needs to be busting his ass up top all game not just here an there. Think about say a Zach Viera who wasn't as technical as Nardizzi but pressed and worked his ass off all game and would find goals sometimes out of nothing.  I guess I am just used to Brandeis strikers and everyone on their teams in the past to be scrappers and workers. I also took for granted how many solid GK'ers they have had in the past as this year is not even comparable.

Interestingly, Brandeis is 7-7-2 and 90% sure they are finished so how do they come out and play at Chicago? Do they give max effort? Or do they throw in the towel? Does Margolis give his young guns a run to get them some experience? Or do way see the same system with the same players? I will say that Brandeis is 90% done because I am not sure they are definitely finished. If they happened to defeat Chicago and NYU they would finish 9-7-2 BUT have a RvR of 6-5-1 which is UNREAL and a SOS of probably close to .675-.680 which is thru the roof. 6 Ranked Wins is very impressive and if folks are still giving Emory a good chance at 0-5-0 in the UAA then certainly if Brandeis finished with 2 Wins at Chicago and at NYU they will be on the bubble. 9-7-2 records are usually not good enough unless you are in the ACC in D1 but who knows. Either way I do not think Brandeis can Win these next 2 games the way they are playing right now but they have the talent to do it if they play together and FOCUS.

Honestly agree with almost 100% of what you said, particularly the two sentences at the end of the second paragraph. I have lamented time and time again about the lack of steel and physicality, so no need for me to rehash those points. I'm pretty sure that they are cooked as far as NCAA chances go, and I take no pleasure in saying that, but seven losses is just too many. If they finished with four or five losses and missed out I'd go "that's rough," but seven (and that total could increase) is a different ballgame, even considering that Capital did get in with seven last year.

I remember saying before the season that I didn't think this side would score a ton but that I did think they would be solid defensively, which makes the defensive situation all the more confounding. After watching him the last two years and particularly this season I think Walter is one of those guys who is a very solid CB but needs a leader next to him. He played very well last year next to Vinson and started well with DePietto but after DePietto (who is a very good leader) got hurt there was no leader to call the shots next to Walter. I am not sure who has been playing CB alongside him the last few games but I am pretty sure that they aren't using a natural CB. The goalkeeping situation is confounding, but I do have to say that -- while I agree with the observations of many that Brandeis as a team needs more size -- I don't completely buy the justification that the 'keepers' underperforming has come as a result of being undersized. They are 5'10" and 5'11". Not big by any stretch, but not 5'6" like the (very good) RUN goalkeeper, either. One may remember Greenwood was 5'11" and for all the flak I gave him on set pieces he was an excellent goalkeeper and was the leader on Tufts' second national title run. Anyway, both 'keepers have made mental mistakes this year but Irwin did look solid last year during his appearances while Woodhouse was out injured so it is puzzling that he has struggled. Cohen's year started badly with the Gordon game, where he was at fault for 2 goals, and I think that and being subbed at halftime of that game did not help his confidence. The mistake for Clark's second goal kind of epitomized his lack of composure. I also don't think rotating 'keepers did Irwin many favors, either, and I wonder if that combined with the loss of a defensive leader in Vinson made him more shaky than he was last year.

The manner of the defeats this year have more often than not seemed avoidable, usually stemming from a lack of focus. I remember the Gordon loss and going "wow, that will wake them up, maybe that's what they need to get going." The Babson loss, too, was somewhat excusable, as it was at Babson and Babson has always played 'Deis tough even when 'Deis was streets better in recent years. Even the WPI game was decided on a rocket of a goal, but that was the one where the alarm bells started going off for me. That was a game that Brandeis would have at least seen out for a draw in recent years, but a lack of discipline cost them. That lack of focus also let to one-goal defeats against Tufts, Rochester, and Amherst, and in both the Tufts and Amherst games the pressure told (at home) inside the first two minutes. Just like I've opined that losing in the last minute of 2OT is poor game management, so is letting opponents walk right into your end in the first two minutes, particularly when those two sides have won three of the last four national titles. You have to know they're going to come out hard and try to get that momentum swing, so keep the game tight at least to start with. Easier said than done, but, again, that's what separates the decent sides from the top sides.

All this being said, I am optimistic that they will back next year, but there will have to be some improvement and some changes.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: 4samuy on October 27, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
A lot of frustration for Deis.  How bout I cheer you up a bit.  IMO Brandeis will get a result at Chicago.

Chicago has not been the same team since Koh's injury at Carnegie.  I believe it was a lower body injury. From what I gather he wasn't going to go at all at Case Western, but started, could only go 20 minutes and didn't start and played limited minutes vs Carthage.  I was able to catch some of the NYU game and he clearly didn't have the burst that makes him special.

Over the past couple of years, Chicago has run much of their offense thru Koh, getting him in open space on the flanks and having him create opportunities toward the end lines by beating his defender with his initial burst and speed.  Not sure where he is at in his recovery, but he wasn't quite there Friday night IMHO.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 28, 2018, 11:50:58 AM
This CWRU team is legit.....2-0 up on Emory halfway thru 1st half.  The Spartans have a couple of lethal finishers and they don't need a lot of chances.

CMU and UR knotted at 1-1 late 1st half.  CMU with 4 yellows in first 35 minutes.  IIRC these two teams/coaches do not have a lot of love....nasty game couple or three years ago in Pittsburgh with UR yelling for someone to get the Athletic Director.  Anyway, CMU is feisty and a win today (or even a draw) should have CMU sitting pretty in Great Lakes.

Spoke too soon....UR gets another in 42nd min, up 2-1 at half.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 28, 2018, 12:15:33 PM
And WashU takes an early lead on NYU with a PK in the 8th minute.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 28, 2018, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: 4samuy on October 27, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
A lot of frustration for Deis.  How bout I cheer you up a bit.  IMO Brandeis will get a result at Chicago.

Chicago has not been the same team since Koh's injury at Carnegie.  I believe it was a lower body injury. From what I gather he wasn't going to go at all at Case Western, but started, could only go 20 minutes and didn't start and played limited minutes vs Carthage.  I was able to catch some of the NYU game and he clearly didn't have the burst that makes him special.

Over the past couple of years, Chicago has run much of their offense thru Koh, getting him in open space on the flanks and having him create opportunities toward the end lines by beating his defender with his initial burst and speed.  Not sure where he is at in his recovery, but he wasn't quite there Friday night IMHO.

Chicago leading 2-0; Koh has two goals in the first 15 minutes.  Looks like he's back.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 28, 2018, 12:37:20 PM
NYU is very good. They have the 30-45 mph winds at their back. They are going to need to score quickly in the next 15 min.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 28, 2018, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on October 28, 2018, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: 4samuy on October 27, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
A lot of frustration for Deis.  How bout I cheer you up a bit.  IMO Brandeis will get a result at Chicago.

Chicago has not been the same team since Koh's injury at Carnegie.  I believe it was a lower body injury. From what I gather he wasn't going to go at all at Case Western, but started, could only go 20 minutes and didn't start and played limited minutes vs Carthage.  I was able to catch some of the NYU game and he clearly didn't have the burst that makes him special.

Over the past couple of years, Chicago has run much of their offense thru Koh, getting him in open space on the flanks and having him create opportunities toward the end lines by beating his defender with his initial burst and speed.  Not sure where he is at in his recovery, but he wasn't quite there Friday night IMHO.

Chicago leading 2-0; Koh has two goals in the first 15 minutes.  Looks like he's back.

Yet another goal given up in the first 2 minutes. Simply inexcusable for Brandeis. 
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 28, 2018, 01:08:06 PM
Emory on verge of losing back to back home games by cumulative score of 5-0.  And 0-6 in the UAA.

CMU may be sweating a little about whether need any result next weekend versus Case but should be OK.

Wash U is gonna be ranked, and could get a bid if close out NYU and get a result versus Chicago.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 28, 2018, 02:05:24 PM
NYU scores on a gorgeous free kick just outside the box. This has been quite a game. 1-1 and likely headed to OT.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2018, 02:37:37 PM
Wash U and NYU battle to a 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 29, 2018, 10:42:04 AM
Quote from: blooter442 on October 27, 2018, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 27, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
It is HIS JOB to see everything he can and be aware of what is going on around him. Basically, he needs to anticipate what is going to happen before it happens like every other player on the field. He is at fault for horrible positioning, I think I used the word "sucked" to describe his positioning last night. The goal was his fault but it was a fantastic thru ball and it looks like Gans should have closed the kid before he played it and Walter could have read the run before Sproule went. Walter also could have gotten his foot on the ball to tackle Sproule before the shot went off. It was a hell of a balancing act for Sproule but he is a fantastic player.


As NEsoccerfan stated Brandeis has had WAY to many GK'ing blunders all year that have cost them games. I would have started Irwin which I said before kickoff. He is not a great GK but more reliable than Cohen IMO and I am guessing has his teammates confidence more than Cohen does and that is more important than you think. I would tend to agree that Woodhouse would have gotten them into the NCAA's but I do not think they would have gone to far as there is blame to go around everywhere. Brandeis midfield defensively is piss poor right now as Glass does fine but Gans is an attacking midfielder not a holder. I love Alex Walter's toughness and courage but I think he makes to many mental mistakes for a CB and I would like to see him holding. The other issue is some injuries as while I am not the biggest fan of Hennessy he is a decent player and has not played in a couple games. DePietto has been injured for the past 2 years as he has not played since the Babson game and they miss him big time. Brandeis losses DePietto to graduation along with Andrew Allen,Josh Handler and Miskin. Reserve player Devan Casey is also gone but that is it so Margolis should be able to rebound next season without a problem as the past 2 years the graduation losses have been to much to handle this season. His biggest priority is to bring in a GK. Then he needs some grit especially in midfield and up top. A goalscorer would be nice as well but returning players will be improved and should score goals in 2019. You talk about Irwin and Rutgers well Nardizzi was gettin heavy minutes and starting some games for D1 UNCW so I have no answers for his lack of production against UAA teams as he has not scored a Goal in UAA play. He did hit a rocket v Amherst and his a very technical player but I would like to see him put his body out there and really get his nose in the middle of things. Also, compared to Brandeis striker of the past few years he does not work. He needs to be busting his ass up top all game not just here an there. Think about say a Zach Viera who wasn't as technical as Nardizzi but pressed and worked his ass off all game and would find goals sometimes out of nothing.  I guess I am just used to Brandeis strikers and everyone on their teams in the past to be scrappers and workers. I also took for granted how many solid GK'ers they have had in the past as this year is not even comparable.

Interestingly, Brandeis is 7-7-2 and 90% sure they are finished so how do they come out and play at Chicago? Do they give max effort? Or do they throw in the towel? Does Margolis give his young guns a run to get them some experience? Or do way see the same system with the same players? I will say that Brandeis is 90% done because I am not sure they are definitely finished. If they happened to defeat Chicago and NYU they would finish 9-7-2 BUT have a RvR of 6-5-1 which is UNREAL and a SOS of probably close to .675-.680 which is thru the roof. 6 Ranked Wins is very impressive and if folks are still giving Emory a good chance at 0-5-0 in the UAA then certainly if Brandeis finished with 2 Wins at Chicago and at NYU they will be on the bubble. 9-7-2 records are usually not good enough unless you are in the ACC in D1 but who knows. Either way I do not think Brandeis can Win these next 2 games the way they are playing right now but they have the talent to do it if they play together and FOCUS.

Honestly agree with almost 100% of what you said, particularly the two sentences at the end of the second paragraph. I have lamented time and time again about the lack of steel and physicality, so no need for me to rehash those points. I'm pretty sure that they are cooked as far as NCAA chances go, and I take no pleasure in saying that, but seven losses is just too many. If they finished with four or five losses and missed out I'd go "that's rough," but seven (and that total could increase) is a different ballgame, even considering that Capital did get in with seven last year.

I remember saying before the season that I didn't think this side would score a ton but that I did think they would be solid defensively, which makes the defensive situation all the more confounding. After watching him the last two years and particularly this season I think Walter is one of those guys who is a very solid CB but needs a leader next to him. He played very well last year next to Vinson and started well with DePietto but after DePietto (who is a very good leader) got hurt there was no leader to call the shots next to Walter. I am not sure who has been playing CB alongside him the last few games but I am pretty sure that they aren't using a natural CB. The goalkeeping situation is confounding, but I do have to say that -- while I agree with the observations of many that Brandeis as a team needs more size -- I don't completely buy the justification that the 'keepers' underperforming has come as a result of being undersized. They are 5'10" and 5'11". Not big by any stretch, but not 5'6" like the (very good) RUN goalkeeper, either. One may remember Greenwood was 5'11" and for all the flak I gave him on set pieces he was an excellent goalkeeper and was the leader on Tufts' second national title run. Anyway, both 'keepers have made mental mistakes this year but Irwin did look solid last year during his appearances while Woodhouse was out injured so it is puzzling that he has struggled. Cohen's year started badly with the Gordon game, where he was at fault for 2 goals, and I think that and being subbed at halftime of that game did not help his confidence. The mistake for Clark's second goal kind of epitomized his lack of composure. I also don't think rotating 'keepers did Irwin many favors, either, and I wonder if that combined with the loss of a defensive leader in Vinson made him more shaky than he was last year.

The manner of the defeats this year have more often than not seemed avoidable, usually stemming from a lack of focus. I remember the Gordon loss and going "wow, that will wake them up, maybe that's what they need to get going." The Babson loss, too, was somewhat excusable, as it was at Babson and Babson has always played 'Deis tough even when 'Deis was streets better in recent years. Even the WPI game was decided on a rocket of a goal, but that was the one where the alarm bells started going off for me. That was a game that Brandeis would have at least seen out for a draw in recent years, but a lack of discipline cost them. That lack of focus also let to one-goal defeats against Tufts, Rochester, and Amherst, and in both the Tufts and Amherst games the pressure told (at home) inside the first two minutes. Just like I've opined that losing in the last minute of 2OT is poor game management, so is letting opponents walk right into your end in the first two minutes, particularly when those two sides have won three of the last four national titles. You have to know they're going to come out hard and try to get that momentum swing, so keep the game tight at least to start with. Easier said than done, but, again, that's what separates the decent sides from the top sides.

All this being said, I am optimistic that they will back next year, but there will have to be some improvement and some changes.



All excellent points and I would have to agree. Hopefully, Margolis brings in a talented class. I will post this story from NE Soccer Journal as if Margolis can steal this kid Swanbeck that would be a major bonus.....


https://www.nesoccerjournal.com/tyler-swanbeck-phillips-exeter-hebron-academy/


Nesoccer Journal has really upped its game the past few years as the coverage has been excellent of the Preps/Colleges/Academy and Clubs......
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 30, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
Mr. Right, I just did some digging and it looks like Swanbeck is planning on taking a post grad year off before college.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 30, 2018, 08:49:11 PM
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on October 30, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
Mr. Right, I just did some digging and it looks like Swanbeck is planning on taking a post grad year off before college.

He's already doing a PG year this year.  (He graduated from Hebron earlier this year.)  So he's doing a second PG year?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on October 31, 2018, 10:56:17 AM
Fascinating final weekend in the UAA....

Chicago and CWRU vying for the title/AQ.  Chicago the past few years has had overall good results versus Wash U, albeit in tight games.  Wash U I would think MUST get a win at home to have any shot at a bid, which seems possible given that the SoS is going to astronomically high, and the Central region looks relatively weak.  How bad will Chicago want this game?  CWRU is on a roll and I assume would love to keep the momentum going.  They likely are already hosting and they face what I'm sure will be a highly motivated Carnegie Mellon squad that may have a bid but surely would feel far more comfortable with another ranked win or at least a draw versus CWRU.  Losing could make CMU very vulnerable especially if more conference faves don't earn AQs.

NYU's chances for a bid would seem to be very good especially if they can close out with a win at home versus Brandeis.  It's hard to predict how hard Brandeis will fight, but based on at least the recent past one would expect the Judges to compete (and maybe the Judges think there is an outside chance they could be in the discussion for a bid at .500 with a high number of ranked wins and a stratospheric SoS.

One would think Emory is finally done, but who knows.  I believe the Eagles are away at Rochester, but I could see the Yellow Jackets coasting in this one (although Rochester also may be in a good spot to host so that might be motivation).
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on October 31, 2018, 11:20:04 AM
Assuming Chicago earns the AQ, I would guess the following for Pool C:

CWRU lock
Rochester lock
NYU even with a loss vs Brandeis, record would be 11-5-1.   
CMU, even with a loss to CWRU, record would be 10-5-2
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Can Washington sneak in with a W over Chicago, and a 8-6-2 record?  They should slide into the NCAA Rankings this release with a strong SOS and estimated 3-3-2 RvR

I do think Brandeis will beat NYU, but an 8-8-2 record just won't cut it.  Especially with losses to Gordon and WPI.

Emory, has fallen off the map with a 1-7-1 run and should slip off Regional Rankings.  A win over East #1 Rochester would put them at 10-7-1 and 4 wins RvR if the NJAC teams hold their value.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on October 31, 2018, 11:37:01 AM
I would have to think about it and go look at the rosters and think about match-ups to articulate an explanation, but I'll say I was very impressed by NYU on Sunday and might say they should be favored at home against Brandeis.  Let me think about that.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 31, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on October 30, 2018, 08:49:11 PM
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on October 30, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
Mr. Right, I just did some digging and it looks like Swanbeck is planning on taking a post grad year off before college.

He's already doing a PG year this year.  (He graduated from Hebron earlier this year.)  So he's doing a second PG year?


No but if you had read the article I linked it said he went PG this year because the Colgate staff moved on and Brandeis was in the picture. By now I am sure he has a good idea where he is going so I said it would be a bonus IF Brandeis snagged him
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 31, 2018, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on October 31, 2018, 11:37:01 AM
I would have to think about it and go look at the rosters and think about match-ups to articulate an explanation, but I'll say I was very impressed by NYU on Sunday and might say they should be favored at home against Brandeis.  Let me think about that.

I would agree without having seen NYU play this season because right now Brandeis is playing some uninspiring futbol. They also have nothing to play for and after a must Win weekend they went 0-2-0 and looked to have come out against Chicago sleepwalking. Since this is a meaningless game for Brandeis the question is will Margolis go young and give guys a run to see what he has down the bench OR will he play all Seniors being that this is their final game. Either way he goes I do not think it matters and NYU should Win the game. The bigger question today is WILL Brandeis still be ranked with a 7-8-2 Record? I do not remember a team being under .500 EVER and still getting ranked. So my guess is they will completely drop out which in New England will open the door for another Newmac or CCC team to get in the rankings or even ECONN.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2018, 03:40:19 PM
Wash U pops into the Central Region ranking for the first time at #5, which is what I expected this week.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on October 31, 2018, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 31, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on October 30, 2018, 08:49:11 PM
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on October 30, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
Mr. Right, I just did some digging and it looks like Swanbeck is planning on taking a post grad year off before college.

He's already doing a PG year this year.  (He graduated from Hebron earlier this year.)  So he's doing a second PG year?


No but if you had read the article I linked it said he went PG this year because the Colgate staff moved on and Brandeis was in the picture. By now I am sure he has a good idea where he is going so I said it would be a bonus IF Brandeis snagged him

First, I was responding to NESoccerFan, who said that Swanbeck was doing a PG year next year, not you.

Second, the portion you cired of the article you're scolding me for not reading is behind a paywall.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on October 31, 2018, 08:52:28 PM
Well stop being so cheap and get thru the paywall.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 31, 2018, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on October 31, 2018, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on October 31, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on October 30, 2018, 08:49:11 PM
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on October 30, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
Mr. Right, I just did some digging and it looks like Swanbeck is planning on taking a post grad year off before college.

He's already doing a PG year this year.  (He graduated from Hebron earlier this year.)  So he's doing a second PG year?


No but if you had read the article I linked it said he went PG this year because the Colgate staff moved on and Brandeis was in the picture. By now I am sure he has a good idea where he is going so I said it would be a bonus IF Brandeis snagged him

First, I was responding to NESoccerFan, who said that Swanbeck was doing a PG year next year, not you.

Second, the portion you cired of the article you're scolding me for not reading is behind a paywall.

I got hit by the paywall as well...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: OldNed on November 01, 2018, 07:37:54 AM
For the NE Soccer Journal, you can subscribe monthly (I think it's $9.99/month) so it's not terribly expensive to get through the paywall.  They actually have some pretty decent articles that run the gamut from high school and prep to D1/D2/D3.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: JimLahey on November 02, 2018, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: Lesaborian96 on October 26, 2018, 04:17:48 PM
Big game tonight with CWRU vs Rochester. Winner will likely separate themselves from the pack for the 2nd or maybe even 1st place finish in the conference if U-Chicago slips up again. Expect CWRU to come out packing tonight having a chance to cement their first Tournament Birth since like 2010

Lesbian69 how do you think Saturday plays out for the conference?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: JimLahey on November 02, 2018, 09:30:58 PM
Why are the games tomorrow not being played at the same time?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Lesaborian96 on November 03, 2018, 09:05:44 AM
Quote from: JimLahey on November 02, 2018, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: Lesaborian96 on October 26, 2018, 04:17:48 PM
Big game tonight with CWRU vs Rochester. Winner will likely separate themselves from the pack for the 2nd or maybe even 1st place finish in the conference if U-Chicago slips up again. Expect CWRU to come out packing tonight having a chance to cement their first Tournament Birth since like 2010

Lesbian69 how do you think Saturday plays out for the conference?

Well Jim, I believe Saturday's in the UAA are for men and not the boys. And that is why I believe today is going to be CWRU's day. After winning their last 4 games in the UAA, there hasn't been a more impressive group in conference. This is probably a must win game for Carnegie if they want serious consideration for a pool C, and will come out hot.. I'm sure they're still upset with a Case midfielder last year taking off their shirt after a game winner and parading around. Kid had some serious meat on his bones, but I guess that's why he was a free kick specialist. But nonetheless, this Case team is too solid for Carnegie and will get the W.

I'm also feeling a win for Wash-u. These kids have a chance to save their season with a home win and today. They've been able to pull out some big UAA games and I think today will be their day.

Spartans 2018 UAA champions baby, let's get some new blood at the top
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 10:05:03 AM
I think Chicago wraps up the title today with a Win and would love nothing more to finish the season of their rivals.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on November 03, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
And I think Carnegie Mellon probably gets a win today.  Even though they are probably already in with a favorable regional ranking, a very high SoS that will get higher today, and have a few ranked wins, I don't think they will want to chance missing out like last year.  I will be even more impressed if CWRU goes down to Pittsburgh and gets another W.  I just don't know if CWRU will be motivated to fight as hard as CMU, especially without knowing the result of Chicago-Wash U ahead of time.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 10:16:57 AM
Agreed...I think CMU is in no matter what but you are right why play with fire when they were burned last year as they had the be the 'first team out' last season IMO with Conn College the 'last team in'.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Lesaborian96 on November 03, 2018, 11:41:04 AM
If Carnegie loses, especially with how tight the Great Lakes region is, I wouldn't consider them a lock. With only two wins in the UAA they'll be in second to last place in the UAA. When was the last time a team got second to last in the UAA and got a pool C bid
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 11:44:10 AM
Quote from: Lesaborian96 on November 03, 2018, 11:41:04 AM
If Carnegie loses, especially with how tight the Great Lakes region is, I wouldn't consider them a lock. With only two wins in the UAA they'll be in second to last place in the UAA. When was the last time a team got second to last in the UAA and got a pool C bid

They would be 10-5-2 with a SOS thru the roof and 3-4-2 RvR...It will be enough but like I said they would at least like a Draw. I have seen them twice at Home and they have looked pretty well on their home field so I am expecting them to get a result today.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 03, 2018, 12:14:56 PM
NYU falls into the same pool as CMU, and should be safe 

Both schools are probably in the 11-15 range (out of 19) at this point
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 12:18:30 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 03, 2018, 12:14:56 PM
NYU falls into the same pool as CMU, and should be safe 

Both schools are probably in the 11-15 range (out of 19) at this point

Agreed....
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on November 03, 2018, 12:56:37 PM
NYU and Brandeis have played 90 minutes, as have Emory and Rochester, and WashU and Chicago have played 45 minutes, and no one has scored!  Could the first goal of the day he scored in the CMU-CWRU game?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
This UChicago team is multitalented: soccer and acting.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on November 03, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: Buck O. on November 03, 2018, 12:56:37 PM
NYU and Brandeis have played 90 minutes, as have Emory and Rochester, and WashU and Chicago have played 45 minutes, and no one has scored!  Could the first goal of the day he scored in the CMU-CWRU game?

Which it was.  CMU with the first two goals, and now Chicago scores.   :(
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:29:22 PM
WUSTL gets it back off a Ryan Sproul header. 1-1 in St. Louis.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 01:33:56 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:29:22 PM
WUSTL gets it back off a Ryan Sproul header. 1-1 in St. Louis.

That kid is a stud and has a nose for the goal like few in D3.....Can he alone save Wash U's season?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:46:11 PM
Stick a fork in Washington University. Chicago leads 3-1 after the Koh free kick and Ruark break away.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
Ruark by the way, the Missouri POY last season, he is good.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
NYU defeats Brandeis 1-0 in 2OT with 15 seconds left in the game. Fitting way for Brandeis to close a disappointing 7-9-2 season..That has to be their worst record in maybe 10 years and kind of shocking after back to back NCAA Final Four's....
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2018, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
This UChicago team is multitalented: soccer and acting.

Well fouls were 19-7 committed by WashU and 3-0 on yellow cards, so maybe they're just trying to play more physical or something.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blooter442 on November 03, 2018, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
NYU defeats Brandeis 1-0 in 2OT with 15 seconds left in the game. Fitting way for Brandeis to close a disappointing 7-9-2 season..That has to be their worst record in maybe 10 years and kind of shocking after back to back NCAA Final Four's....

Story of their season -- close but not close enough. Worst since 6-10-2 in 2009.

In a way I think it's almost better to be out of the NCAA running and not be one of the first teams out than the inverse? Straws are being clutched.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2018, 02:17:19 PM
Emory scores 1 goal in conference play and finishes at 0-6-1...  :o
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2018, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
This UChicago team is multitalented: soccer and acting.

Well fouls were 19-7 committed by WashU and 3-0 on yellow cards, so maybe they're just trying to play more physical or something.

I would say both are true.  The foul on Koh to set-up the free kick goal was clearly a foul.

Overall, I had way more fun watching this team than I would have expected with final season record of 7-7-2.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: blooter442 on November 03, 2018, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
NYU defeats Brandeis 1-0 in 2OT with 15 seconds left in the game. Fitting way for Brandeis to close a disappointing 7-9-2 season..That has to be their worst record in maybe 10 years and kind of shocking after back to back NCAA Final Four's....

Story of their season -- close but not close enough. Worst since 6-10-2 in 2009.

In a way I think it's almost better to be out of the NCAA running and not be one of the first teams out than the inverse? Straws are being clutched.

I thought the turtles lobbied states to get rid of straws?  I like the turtles...Feeding turtles cheerios is very relaxing IMO.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2018, 02:17:19 PM
Emory scores 1 goal in conference play and finishes at 0-6-1...  :o

Do they sneak into the South Atlantic rankings this week?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2018, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: Mr.Right on November 03, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2018, 02:17:19 PM
Emory scores 1 goal in conference play and finishes at 0-6-1...  :o

Do they sneak into the South Atlantic rankings this week?

If this was basketball season, we'd be giving them regional hosting duties already...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 08, 2018, 02:38:11 PM
Can someone explain?

Case Western Reserve gets the coaching staff of the year honors this season.  Rochester last season.

http://uaasports.info/sports/msoc/2018-19/releases/2018malluaa
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Ommadawn on November 08, 2018, 04:53:50 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 08, 2018, 02:38:11 PM
Can someone explain?

Case Western Reserve gets the coaching staff of the year honors this season.  Rochester last season.

http://uaasports.info/sports/msoc/2018-19/releases/2018malluaa

My impression is that coaching staff awards are given for improvement as much as for excellence, and Case has succeeded on both counts this season.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: PaulNewman on November 08, 2018, 07:04:26 PM
Personally I would have been very surprised if Bianco and staff hadn't won Coaching staff of the year in the UAA.  Phenomenal job he has done there, and, given where they had been, a phenomenal season.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: blue_jays on November 08, 2018, 10:04:22 PM
3-straight UAA MVPs for Chicago - Koh, Lopez, Capotosto. All in the same class. Bet you wouldn't be able to find 3 MVPs from same class in any sport.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 08, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
Messiah
Wood, Payne, Bender.   3 National POY over 4 years.  All on the 2013 team...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on November 08, 2018, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on November 08, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
Messiah
Wood, Payne, Bender.   3 National POY over 4 years.  All on the 2013 team...

But they weren't in the same class.  Koh, Lopez and Capotosto are all current seniors.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: Buck O. on November 08, 2018, 10:54:20 PM
So I crunched some numbers tonight to test my perception that WashU was the youngest team in the league.  Here's the percentage of starts made by players in each class for each team.  (I would have preferred to have used percentages of minutes played, but most of the schools don't report those data.)



               Srs.     Jrs.    Sophs.   Fr.     WAA
Brandeis    24%   49%   11%   15%    2.81
CMU          49%   36%   10%   5%      3.28
CWRU       21%   34%   27%   18%    2.59
Chicago     29%   28%   35%   7%      2.80
Emory       34%   26%   35%   5%       2.90
NYU           32%   16%   26%   26%    2.53
Rochester   51%   43%   2%     4%     3.40
WashU       27%   18%   26%   30%    2.41

WAA is the weighted average "age" of starters, where 4 = senior, 3 = junior, 2 = sophomore, and 1 = freshman.

Turns out I was right.  WashU has the lowest WAA, the highest percentage of starts by freshmen, and the highest percentage of starts by underclassmen, but NYU was close behind in all of those categories, as both schools allocated more than half their starts to underclassmen.  CWRU is close to them as well.  At the other end of the spectrum, upperclassmen got better than 90 percent of the starts at Rochester, and about 85% at CMU.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 09, 2018, 12:06:37 AM
If the case for the coaching staff of the year is to be made on improvement, Case Western Reserve should have been a shared the honor with NYU.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on November 09, 2018, 07:41:56 PM
Speaking of the all conference team - they must have made a mistake becaus the rookie of the year from NYU was not on first team, second team, or honorable mention...
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 09, 2018, 10:41:44 PM
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 09, 2018, 07:41:56 PM
Speaking of the all conference team - they must have made a mistake because the rookie of the year from NYU was not on first team, second team, or honorable mention...

This has happened enough times that it is likely not a mistake.  Maybe not in Men's Soccer, but certainly throughout the varsity sports.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: NEsoccerfan on November 10, 2018, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 09, 2018, 10:41:44 PM
Quote from: NEsoccerfan on November 09, 2018, 07:41:56 PM
Speaking of the all conference team - they must have made a mistake because the rookie of the year from NYU was not on first team, second team, or honorable mention...

This has happened enough times that it is likely not a mistake.  Maybe not in Men's Soccer, but certainly throughout the varsity sports.

Meaning what?
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: WUPHF on November 10, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
OK, I see what your saying.

Your point was not that a rookie of the year was left off, but rather that Kleban was left off.

I honestly did not look that close at the teams.

That sure seems like a mistake.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: stlawus on November 10, 2018, 05:10:31 PM
Is the video stream for Rochester working for anyone else?  Not working on my end.
Title: Re: UAA 2018
Post by: MaturinNYC on November 22, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
2 teams in the Final Four again this year - hopefully one or both of them get thru to the final!