What Division III sport should we add a board for next?

Started by Pat Coleman, January 30, 2006, 02:11:53 AM

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Are e-sports a sport?

Like chess and football, one practices, competes, gets coaching, follow rules, there is a clear winner...
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To be considered a sport, do you need to sweat during the activity?  If so, why is golf a sport?
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If e-sports are not a sport, what is a close comparison?
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Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: kenyanracer on February 27, 2006, 02:33:13 PM
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It's called "modify" and its up next to the quote and delete buttons.
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Quote from: kenyanracer on February 27, 2006, 02:33:13 PM
(There is no edit button is there?)

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 27, 2006, 02:49:22 PM
It's called "modify" and its up next to the quote and delete buttons.

... but you cannot modify or edit until you have posted X number of times. (X = 50?)
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Grutte Dirk

Quote from: > on February 27, 2006, 02:37:49 PM... take into account that indoor and outdoor track and field are basically the same thing ... and most of the athletes are all the same across all three, so its not like you are really getting three different sports.

Oh boy ... where to start. 

True ... Indoor and Outdoor track and field are similar ... but there have separate conference and national championships, both big topics of conversation ... some of the events are different and many athletes are not champions indoors and outdoors.

Cross Country is filled with a bunch of cults named after the schools they attend.  And they only run 25% of the track and field events ... not close to ...

Quote from: > on February 27, 2006, 02:37:49 PM... and most of the athletes are all the same across all three, ...

Thanks for the input.
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Bushop

I think CC and TF would be a year around chat thing.  I would guess it gets slow in the summer but it would fire-up in August (unless run-insight gets it all) and then plows through to Memorial Day and a bit after; the end of NCAA Outdoor Nat's.  Not like the basketball boards (good night they go like crazy here), but steady I would guess.

Plus, loads of recruiting news that apply to other sports, especially football.  Many TF guys are in football and basketball; women play volleyball (my 2nd choice for a board) and basketball.  TF draws for both soccers, especially in states were both sexes play high school soccer in the fall.

Bushop

Quote from: kenyanracer on February 27, 2006, 02:33:13 PM
Cross-Country: 249 men's, 274 women's
Track: 249 men's, 259 women's
Indoor Track: 221 men's, 229 women's

Total: 719 men's, 762 women's

And those can be huge teams.  Some TF teams are over 100 people.

Bushop

Quote from: seventiesraider on February 23, 2006, 06:58:28 PM
If your into statistics, the world's sport is basketball

  Holy crow, CC and TF is almost all numbers.  In CC they cannot be compared very well but on the track or in the field you can compare it to all the other divisions and nations.  Look how many D III runners made it to the TF Olympic Trials and USA Championships, against the best in the nation.  They made the mark, they get to go.

How many D III football or basketball players have a chance to play against the top professionals?  I know, it's a little apples and oranges.

mybleedinghands

Quote from: Bushop on February 27, 2006, 08:55:11 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on February 23, 2006, 06:58:28 PM
If your into statistics, the world's sport is basketball

  Holy crow, CC and TF is almost all numbers.  In CC they cannot be compared very well but on the track or in the field you can compare it to all the other divisions and nations.  Look how many D III runners made it to the TF Olympic Trials and USA Championships, against the best in the nation.  They made the mark, they get to go.

How many D III football or basketball players have a chance to play against the top professionals?  I know, it's a little apples and oranges.

not even a fair comparison there. generally all the really good football and bball players who can compete at the highest level after college play in the highest level in college. the same cant be said for track and field because there arent as many track and field scholarships as there are basketball and football, unless things have changed in the last few years. also, realistically 99.9% of track and field athletes wont be making millions of dollars in their sport after they graduate, so other than the scholarship money there isnt nearly as much reason to go D1, while in basketball and football all the good players get full scholarships and a good number of them (although a small percentage, but certainly higher than in rack and field) have the chance to make big buks playing bball somewhere whether its the NBA or oversees.

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Quote from: > on February 27, 2006, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: Bushop on February 27, 2006, 08:55:11 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on February 23, 2006, 06:58:28 PM
If your into statistics, the world's sport is basketball

  Holy crow, CC and TF is almost all numbers.  In CC they cannot be compared very well but on the track or in the field you can compare it to all the other divisions and nations.  Look how many D III runners made it to the TF Olympic Trials and USA Championships, against the best in the nation.  They made the mark, they get to go.

How many D III football or basketball players have a chance to play against the top professionals?  I know, it's a little apples and oranges.

not even a fair comparison there. generally all the really good football and bball players who can compete at the highest level after college play in the highest level in college.

At McMurry, we had our D3 Female Triple Jump Champion, Darcell Edwards, invited to the 2004 Olympic trials.  Last year, our male shot putter, Cody Brotherton, won the "Small College" Division at the Texas Relays and was invited to throw in the Invitational Division the next day.

the same cant be said for track and field because there arent as many track and field scholarships as there are basketball and football, unless things have changed in the last few years. also, realistically 99.9% of track and field athletes wont be making millions of dollars in their sport after they graduate,

Realistically 99.9% of D1 men's basketball players are not making "big bucks" in the NBA, 320 D1 men's programs with 15 players each and only half of the NBA roster slots are going to American College "Graduates".  The average NBA career is less than 5 years long.  The high school draftees, the early departures and international players have changed the composition of the NBA. 

so other than the scholarship money there isnt nearly as much reason to go D1, while in basketball and football all the good players get full scholarships and a good number of them (although a small percentage, but certainly higher than in rack and field) have the chance to make big buks playing bball somewhere whether its the NBA or oversees.

McMurry has had a few players play internationally.  They are working day jobs in addtion to their playing careers, and not making "big bucks".  As for the WNBA, very few athletes are making big bucks.
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Respectfully, track and field is about the individual athlete competing among his/her peers.  That is what we like about D3,  competing among our peers who are amateur athletes, as the NCAA reminds, who are going "pro" in life.

I think that bushop is making a great case for adding the running sports. :)

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It's true, for almost everyone, even if they are playing overseas, professional sports is more of a post-graduate experience than it is a career.  Who wouldn't want to travel around and play ball for a couple years before settling into a real life?
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: > on February 28, 2006, 09:02:59 AM
you forget one thing about the wnba though: nobody actually cares about it!

Which may mean that the D3 XC/TF message board will generate more interest than the WNBA!!! :D ;D :D ;) 8)

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: > on February 28, 2006, 09:02:59 AM
you forget one thing about the wnba though: nobody actually cares about it!

Which may mean that the D3 XC/TF message board will generate more interest than the WNBA!!! :D ;D :D ;) 8)

Well, when there's no where to go but up....
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mybleedinghands

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: > on February 28, 2006, 09:02:59 AM
you forget one thing about the wnba though: nobody actually cares about it!

Which may mean that the D3 XC/TF message board will generate more interest than the WNBA!!! :D ;D :D ;) 8)

hell, i'd even be more interested in xc/tf than the wnba

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)


Wait a minute.  How did wrestling get on the poll and who is voting for it?  I know its a great sport and lots of people have benefitted from it, but isn't it dying out at the collegiate level?  We might as well put equestrian or nordic skiing up there.

At least then Maine Presque-Isle could brag a little bit.
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I don't think there's any way possible that a XC/TF board wouldn't attract more interest than the WNBA!!!
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Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)


I think we could make the case that having a XC/Track board would in fact increase interest in the WNBA (it certainly couldn't hurt it).  Maybe Pat can get David Stern to throw in some money to help launch the new board as "d3 XC/Track, brought to you by the WNBA."
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