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Falconer

Here's a nice photo of Cianciotta and his family, signing the letter of intent:
https://www.facebook.com/MessiahMensSoccer/photos/a.181172048573328.44521.180138298676703/1082338571790000/?type=3&theater. I gather he might favor his left foot?!


blooter442

Quote from: Falconer on January 02, 2016, 10:12:11 AM
The only area where he seems a little deficient is the mile time, listed as 5:24. That's obviously not bad, but Messiah expects their players to run under 5:00 when they report in late summer--and most of them meet that standard. So, he has some work to do there.

Yeah, I would expect at 5:15 or better at minimum for any competitive D3 program regardless of position, but for a program like Messiah 5:00 sounds right. I ran a 4:42 in high school, which is by no means world-beater status, but sub-5 should be plenty achievable with consistent fitness training.

While Maine has produced some very good players - Roger Levesque, formerly of the Seattle Sounders, Gabe Hoffman-Johnson, Ben Brewster, etc. - it is not exactly a soccer hotbed. Thus, players who are considered "good" in Maine often find that there are numerous other players just as good as them in Massachusetts, New York, etc., both due to the sheer gulf in population and also the quality of players. Groothoff grew up in California, and may yet be another exception to that rule, but it's tough to tell whether he is good enough to be in the starting XI or whether he'll have to settle for being a bit-part player. Regardless, I hope he is successful, because he seems like a good kid and a good talent.

SandyMac

Quote from: Falconer on January 02, 2016, 10:35:22 AM
Here's a nice photo of Cianciotta and his family, signing the letter of intent:
https://www.facebook.com/MessiahMensSoccer/photos/a.181172048573328.44521.180138298676703/1082338571790000/?type=3&theater. I gather he might favor his left foot?!

I appreciate the message it sends, but I've never understood this.  You don't sign letters of intent in D3 athletics...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D313.pdf
Exhibit 13.9.1, Page 77.

casualfan

Quote from: SandyMac on January 04, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: Falconer on January 02, 2016, 10:35:22 AM
Here's a nice photo of Cianciotta and his family, signing the letter of intent:
https://www.facebook.com/MessiahMensSoccer/photos/a.181172048573328.44521.180138298676703/1082338571790000/?type=3&theater. I gather he might favor his left foot?!

I appreciate the message it sends, but I've never understood this.  You don't sign letters of intent in D3 athletics...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D313.pdf
Exhibit 13.9.1, Page 77.

That actually changed as of last year. Not motivated enough to look up the revision or where it's at, but D3 schools are now allowed to use letters of intent for their recruits.

They don't mean a whole lot, but it's become somewhat of a symbol for high school athletes. I'm not sure if I agree with it but it is what it is..

Mr.Right

I believe a 11:30 2 mile is what I ran. Usually GK's and unprepared Frosh were above 12 minutes. They also usually found themselves waking up at 6am for "extra work"...

Ommadawn

Just a couple of new commitments for 2016 (indicated with asterisks).  Early decision is pretty much done, so we should know more soon.

Babson – Luke Beaulieu (Westfield SA, NJ)

Bowdoin – Luke Lockwood (Blackrock FC, MA)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtEBpyrWNcc

Brandeis – Dylan Hennessy (Manhattan SC, NY)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuyw8I8epPU

Brandeis – Nick Wigglesworth (Aztec Soccer, MA)    http://socceraspect.com/videos/nick-wigglesworth-2016-graduation/

Carleton – Kamran Kelly (Minnesota Thunder Academy, MN)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyYpaQGG1LM

Carnegie Mellon – Cooper Tubiana (NJCSA, NJ)

Case Western Reserve – Nick Bertrand (Lightning SC, NH)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXYg6nwN1A

CCNY – Jon Mestre (East Islip SC, NY)

CCNY – Md Uddin (Manhattan SC, NY)

Chapman – Juwan Stephen (Irvine Premier SC, CA)

Chicago – Sam Drablos (Lonestar SC, TX)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2u6wbahLcc

Chicago – Nathan Johnson (Arlington SA, VA) 

Chicago – Gary Zhao (Cincinnati United Premier, OH)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lo5-axmbT0

Clark – Kyle Russo (FC Stars of Massachusetts, MA)   

Coast Guard – Dakota Harich (Baltimore Celtic SC, MD)

Connecticut – Anthony Aquadro (Western United Pioneers, MA)

Drew – John D'Elia (Parsippany SC, NJ)

Emory – Jonathan Whyte (SOCA, VA)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mounuefbIWg

Gettysburg – Jimmy Evangelos (FC Copa, NJ) 

Gettysburg - Ezekiel Omonanya (Nigeria/MA)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjCy3Ex2wtg

Hobart -- Binjo Emmanuel (Tabor Academy, MA)

Messiah – Joseph Cianciotta (FC Copa, NJ)

Messiah – Micah Fitz (Fredricksburg FC/DC United, VA)

Messiah – Jonathan Groothoff (GPS Portland Phoenix, ME)   http://seoj.ncsasports.org/mens-soccer-recruiting/me/yarmouth/yarmouth-high-school/jonathan-groothoff

Muhlenberg – Jordan Cimring (FC Copa, NJ)

Muhlenberg – Zachary Cimring (FC Copa, NJ)

Occidental – Will Caples (Rancho Santa Fe Attack, CA)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMzJ0JbE2w

Ohio Wesleyan – Spencer Powlette (Ohio Galaxies FC, OH)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUqpzsTXog

Ohio Wesleyan – Mario Marino (FC Blazers, MA)

*Olivet – Yves Tambwe (Sporting FC Toronto, ON)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Jn4EHfkto

Rutgers-Camden – Nasser Aamer (FC Copa, NJ) 

Rochester – Joshua Cooley (North Shore United, WI)   http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2934635/highlights/80288551/v2

*St. Lawrence – Aidan Callahan (Empire United, NY)

Scranton – Sean Regan (FC Copa, NJ)   http://www.jerseysportsnow.com/article.php?story=13110501

Springfield – Tyler Champagne (FSA FC United, CT)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAW1AZFUkUw

Tufts – Tanner Jameson (Empire United, NY)

Tufts – Brett Rojas (NJ)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp3au15TAk8

Tufts – Daniel Sellers (Seacoast United, MA)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQbMNF1UlwY

Wheaton (IL) – Austin Pack (Vestavia Hills SC, AL)   http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2673825/highlights/249665377/v2

Washington University in St. Louis – Jonathan Garske (Baltimore Celtic, MD)   

Mr.Right

Excellent work Ommadawn....I realize the list comes from Top Drawer or whatever sites but the fact that you have given us youtube links is extremely helpful and much appreciated.


Since I am more Nescac curious I took a look at Bowdoin's kid from Berkshire School and he looks to be pretty good, not a game changer right away but has potential. Off topic that Berkshire School squad is "sickly talented" with some nice D1 talent as their head coach Jon Moody should get recognition as having turned that program into a national prep all-star team. When I used to play them way back when they were an easy W on the schedule. All his former players that I talk to love him and say he really cared about them. Not sure if he has anything left to prove at Berkshire and should throw his name in the hat of some coaching opportunities if he truly loves the game even as a D1 assistant.

Mr.Right

As I have noted previously Tufts kid Rojas on your list is a definite "game changer" and I look for him to be in that starting line-up right away as long as he keeps working on his game, plays more physical college aged players this spring and summer and comes back extremely fit...

Falconer

Concerning mile times, I understand that the pre-Brandt fitness standard was 12:00 for two miles, which isn't that great. He changed it to 5:00 for the mile, and that's still the standard under McCarty. Not all the boys are able to do that, but most do. I hear the record, held by CB J.D. Binger (national POY a few years ago), is just under 4:40. That's really moving. IMO, an equivalent standard for two miles would be perhaps 11:00, not 12:00.

I didn't play soccer in college, but I graduated from a university that won a national title with an unblemished record--a title that is not officially recognized now. (I'll leave this as a riddle to solve). I didn't play soccer in high school, either, since my school (which no longer exists) didn't have a soccer team, though I had played a little on a youth team in another state during junior high. This was a long time ago. Many high schools didn't have soccer even for boys, let alone girls--back when girls played 6-on-6 basketball and before Title IX. Women weren't officially allowed to run in the Boston marathon, either, though a few women snuck into the race anyway.

Instead of soccer, I ran cross country in college, so it's not fair to compare my times (even then, before the big running boom in America) with various standards for soccer players. Suffice it to say that I held my high school's records in both distance events (one mile and two miles) and brought home a medal from the state meet. As a 16-year old senior, my times then were probably lower than those of almost all soccer players today, collegiate or professional--but given the focus of my training (for cross country, not soccer) that's to be expected. I've always respected the high level of conditioning and mental toughness that collegiate soccer requires. Indeed, they are it's greatest virtue.

Shooter McGavin

Any schools release there schedules for 2016 yet besides Rutgers Camden? I have heard rumblings of who might play who but just a game here or there but no set schedules. Thanks in advance!

lastguyoffthebench


I ended up running cross country for a d2 school with no track/xc experience.  Only did it to stay in shape... most soccer players should be able to run at worst 6:15 - 6:20 pace...

All NESCAC

Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on January 07, 2016, 03:48:41 PM

I ended up running cross country for a d2 school with no track/xc experience.  Only did it to stay in shape... most soccer players should be able to run at worst 6:15 - 6:20 pace...

Some NESCAC's fitness test is 2.5 miles in 15 minutes.  the first 2 miles in 12 minutes is very doable by most players, the last half mile in 3 minutes is the killer.

blooter442

Quote from: Falconer on January 04, 2016, 10:41:22 PM
Concerning mile times, I understand that the pre-Brandt fitness standard was 12:00 for two miles, which isn't that great. He changed it to 5:00 for the mile, and that's still the standard under McCarty. Not all the boys are able to do that, but most do. I hear the record, held by CB J.D. Binger (national POY a few years ago), is just under 4:40. That's really moving. IMO, an equivalent standard for two miles would be perhaps 11:00, not 12:00.

I think a mile in sub-5 makes more sense than two miles. The mile is the ideal mix of speed and stamina, and more representative of the type and speed of running that is done in soccer, whereas I feel the two mile is much more endurance-focused (similar to the comparison of the 800 and the mile.) I think a sub-11:00 2 mile is doable for anyone who can break 5:00 for the mile, as long as there's decent training involved.

Quote from: All NESCAC on January 08, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
Some NESCAC's fitness test is 2.5 miles in 15 minutes.  the first 2 miles in 12 minutes is very doable by most players, the last half mile in 3 minutes is the killer.

It's incredible how much the difference between 2 and 3 miles can affect your pace. I know a lot of guys who could clock 2 miles with under 6:00 mile average; 3 miles, that number gets significantly smaller.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: blooter442 on January 08, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: Falconer on January 04, 2016, 10:41:22 PM
Concerning mile times, I understand that the pre-Brandt fitness standard was 12:00 for two miles, which isn't that great. He changed it to 5:00 for the mile, and that's still the standard under McCarty. Not all the boys are able to do that, but most do. I hear the record, held by CB J.D. Binger (national POY a few years ago), is just under 4:40. That's really moving. IMO, an equivalent standard for two miles would be perhaps 11:00, not 12:00.

I think a mile in sub-5 makes more sense than two miles. The mile is the ideal mix of speed and stamina, and more representative of the type and speed of running that is done in soccer, whereas I feel the two mile is much more endurance-focused (similar to the comparison of the 800 and the mile.) I think a sub-11:00 2 mile is doable for anyone who can break 5:00 for the mile, as long as there's decent training involved.

Quote from: All NESCAC on January 08, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
Some NESCAC's fitness test is 2.5 miles in 15 minutes.  the first 2 miles in 12 minutes is very doable by most players, the last half mile in 3 minutes is the killer.

It's incredible how much the difference between 2 and 3 miles can affect your pace. I know a lot of guys who could clock 2 miles with under 6:00 mile average; 3 miles, that number gets significantly smaller.

Blooter I have to disagree with you on the mile and 2 mile tests and which one makes more sense. But I guess it's how you look at it too. I feel that a 2 mile test is more suitable because its a good test of endurance and pace and stamina which is what a soccer game is as to where a mile is practically just a sprint. If you sprint it you can get a good time but then you're gassed. With the 2 mile its a good mix of pacing and sprinting over a longer period of time which is what soccer is mostly. 90 minutes of fitness with pacing yourself and sprinting when needed. Either I think are good preseason conditioning tests for teams to do. Just giving a different angle is all  :)

blooter442

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 08, 2016, 02:02:43 PM
Blooter I have to disagree with you on the mile and 2 mile tests and which one makes more sense. But I guess it's how you look at it too. I feel that a 2 mile test is more suitable because its a good test of endurance and pace and stamina which is what a soccer game is as to where a mile is practically just a sprint. If you sprint it you can get a good time but then you're gassed. With the 2 mile its a good mix of pacing and sprinting over a longer period of time which is what soccer is mostly. 90 minutes of fitness with pacing yourself and sprinting when needed. Either I think are good preseason conditioning tests for teams to do. Just giving a different angle is all  :)

Definitely a fair interpretation. My viewpoint is that, while you need good endurance in a soccer game, I think the two-mile is a bit unrealistic in that such a pace is not likely to be replicated for a similar amount of time in a soccer game, whereas the mile is more representative of the high-speed running done in soccer games and is more difficult anaerobically. I myself always found the mile more difficult than the two-mile.

One could make the argument that the two-mile is a better indicator of endurance, and I would agree with that, but as much as there is an endurance component to soccer I think anaerobic fitness is perhaps a better indicator of overall fitness in terms of soccer. Regardless, just my opinion, and both are good indicators of fitness.