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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84000 on: November 14, 2017, 10:16:53 am »
I dropped the kids (age 7,5,3) off at my mother in law's house last Saturday afternoon. I recommend doing the same. Getting to watch uninterrupted football was pretty glorious and then I actually got some housework done, so you should do that.

Do you think your mother-in-law would babysit DuffMan's kids? - ba-da-dump.  ;D

Maybe? My sister-in-law is watching my kids at my house Saturday so I can drag the wife along to the St Thomas game. So I suppose he could drop them off. On their other hand, I don't want my kids catching the Johnnie Fever.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84001 on: November 14, 2017, 10:24:22 am »
@ecreddevils, where is Eureka playing in 2018 if not in the UMAC?

Good luck against THE EVIL EMPIRETM!

We're going into the NACC next year--used to compete in the old Illini-Badger against many of those same schools.

So does Eureka College have any connection to the Eureka Company, which produces vacuum cleaners and other household cleaning products? In other words, does Eureka College both figuratively and literally suck?
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84002 on: November 14, 2017, 10:37:52 am »
Where are all the Eureka fans at??

By my estimate itís been about 90 years since Reagan strapped the pads on for them.

Reagan was class of '32.  We're here (I am anyway) and proud of our program and season, making our first postseason trip in 23 yrs. and first in NCAA.  Coach Kurt Barth has been building a quality program and our seniors got it done this year. 

We know we're playing a juggernaut (650 enrollment vs. 6,100), but gotta start somewhere, right?  This team runs the ball behind a quality O-line and crafty, sneaky fast Le'Anthony Reasnover (2nd total yards in D-III with 1,834).  Defense is senior-led and 14th in total defense in D-III (yes, I see you're first, thanks).  LB Chris Friend (local product and St. Xavier transfer) anchors the defense and we've gotten great play from senior ends Trevor Zeibert and Ray Vogel (both 6' 5") as well as interior size from Macae Skaggs (6' 5", 260). 

Go Red Devils!

Welcome aboard. Thanks for the quick profile of the team. Hope the Eureka traveling crew enjoys the visit to St Paul.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84003 on: November 14, 2017, 11:03:51 am »
None of the 5% listed below would be athletes @ Mount Union now would they? Vince Young even had to score higher, given the minimum was 17 back then

Mount Union

ACT Scores of Enrolled Freshmen
ACT Composite   23 average
20-26 range of middle       50%
Score of 30 - 36                4%
Score of 24 - 29                42%
Score of 18 - 23                49%
Score of 12 - 17                5%
Score of 6 - 11                  0%
Score of 5 or Below            0%

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84004 on: November 14, 2017, 12:08:07 pm »
None of the 5% listed below would be athletes @ Mount Union now would they? Vince Young even had to score higher, given the minimum was 17 back then

Mount Union

ACT Scores of Enrolled Freshmen
ACT Composite   23 average
20-26 range of middle       50%
Score of 30 - 36                4%
Score of 24 - 29                42%
Score of 18 - 23                49%
Score of 12 - 17                5%
Score of 6 - 11                  0%
Score of 5 or Below            0%

Whoa.... over half their incoming class scored below average on their ACT? That's junior college numbers. What's your source for that?
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84005 on: November 14, 2017, 12:25:31 pm »
None of the 5% listed below would be athletes @ Mount Union now would they? Vince Young even had to score higher, given the minimum was 17 back then

Mount Union

ACT Scores of Enrolled Freshmen
ACT Composite   23 average
20-26 range of middle       50%
Score of 30 - 36                4%
Score of 24 - 29                42%
Score of 18 - 23                49%
Score of 12 - 17                5%
Score of 6 - 11                  0%
Score of 5 or Below            0%

Whoa.... over half their incoming class scored below average on their ACT? That's junior college numbers. What's your source for that?

Here. And, to be VERY clear this is for the Mount student body, not just athletics or football. Although, when you have 2,200 students, athletes are a big % of your student body.

https://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=987

As I  spent time with this I was curious to deep dive into MIAC school as well. All in all I think the MIAC shows itself to be a fairly end and selective D3 athletic conference. But the deep dive was Particularly interesting in that 12-17 ACT range, as I had always assumed (mostly incorrectly in this case) that was an auto disqualifier for pretty much every four year university in the country. Gustavus, St Olaf, St Thomas, Mac, Carleton all accepted 0% from that range. But others did have some acceptance rates. Concordia 2%, SJU 2%, Hamline 3%, Augsburg 16%

Would Mount be a more heavily SAT school? Although the low end scores for that have a chunk also and I'm not really familiar with comparing SAT to ACT scores.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84006 on: November 14, 2017, 12:28:22 pm »
But others did have some acceptance rates. Concordia 2%, SJU 2%, Hamline 3%, Augsburg 16%



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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84007 on: November 14, 2017, 12:41:44 pm »
None of the 5% listed below would be athletes @ Mount Union now would they? Vince Young even had to score higher, given the minimum was 17 back then

Mount Union

ACT Scores of Enrolled Freshmen
ACT Composite   23 average
20-26 range of middle       50%
Score of 30 - 36                4%
Score of 24 - 29                42%
Score of 18 - 23                49%
Score of 12 - 17                5%
Score of 6 - 11                  0%
Score of 5 or Below            0%

Whoa.... over half their incoming class scored below average on their ACT? That's junior college numbers. What's your source for that?

Here. And, to be VERY clear this is for the Mount student body, not just athletics or football. Although, when you have 2,200 students, athletes are a big % of your student body.

https://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=987

As I  spent time with this I was curious to deep dive into MIAC school as well. All in all I think the MIAC shows itself to be a fairly end and selective D3 athletic conference. But the deep dive was Particularly interesting in that 12-17 ACT range, as I had always assumed (mostly incorrectly in this case) that was an auto disqualifier for pretty much every four year university in the country. Gustavus, St Olaf, St Thomas, Mac, Carleton all accepted 0% from that range. But others did have some acceptance rates. Concordia 2%, SJU 2%, Hamline 3%, Augsburg 16%

That's interesting. I'm willing to bet SJU also spends more per student on athletics than other MIAC schools. It's hard to know for sure. They choose not to report their numbers to the DOE. With the spending covered, maybe SJU just needs to push their percentage of underachieving recruits up to MU levels and they'll make it past the semis. 
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84008 on: November 14, 2017, 12:58:50 pm »
Huge variation in the WIAC. Some much higher than I assumed, others well below the mark.

Eau Claire is close to UST, Gustavus.

While Whitewater & Stout are in with Mount. MHB falls in this category as well.

Brings new light to the phrase #WhyD3? hashtag....Because I couldnt get into JUCO  ;)

Not always... W&L ... It does show how different the recruiting pools can be. D3 is a division of mismatches at the national level. You have to find a hook that works. Sometimes that hook is, "anyone that can fog a mirror and sign a check", and sometimes that hook is "we're close to the Ivy's but you can actually play here". There's a lot of ground in the middle.

SAT Math   690 average
660-740 range of middle 50%
Score of 700 - 800
48%
Score of 600 - 700
50%
Score of 500 - 600
2%

SAT Critical Reading   690 average
660-720 range of middle 50%
Score of 700 - 800
47%
Score of 600 - 700
48%
Score of 500 - 600
5%

SAT Writing   683 average
640-710 range of middle 50%
Score of 700 - 800
40%
Score of 600 - 700
55%
Score of 500 - 600
5%

ACT Scores of Enrolled Freshmen
ACT Composite   32 average
30-33 range of middle 50%
Score of 30 - 36
88%
Score of 24 - 29
12%

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84009 on: November 14, 2017, 01:18:33 pm »

To whom it may concern-

I am a Mount Union alumnus. Although I went to 3 graduate schools , with degrees from 2 of them, I'm having trouble understanding something. What's the point of the ACT/SAT discussion? And why the disparaging remarks about dear old UMU?
Please keep your response simple since I am a Mount grad.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84010 on: November 14, 2017, 01:27:02 pm »

To whom it may concern-

I am a Mount Union alumnus. Although I went to 3 graduate schools , with degrees from 2 of them, I'm having trouble understanding something. What's the point of the ACT/SAT discussion? And why the disparaging remarks about dear old UMU?
Please keep your response simple since I am a Mount grad.
Go Raiders!

They're saying UMU is a glorified community college and this helps the football team. Of course that's not what I'm saying.
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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84011 on: November 14, 2017, 01:44:46 pm »

Rev-

Oh! Thanx.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84012 on: November 14, 2017, 01:45:25 pm »
Huge variation in the WIAC. Some much higher than I assumed, others well below the mark.

Eau Claire is close to UST, Gustavus.

While Whitewater & Stout are in with Mount. MHB falls in this category as well.

Brings new light to the phrase #WhyD3? hashtag....Because I couldnt get into JUCO  ;)

Not always... W&L ... It does show how different the recruiting pools can be. D3 is a division of mismatches at the national level. You have to find a hook that works. Sometimes that hook is, "anyone that can fog a mirror and sign a check", and sometimes that hook is "we're close to the Ivy's but you can actually play here". There's a lot of ground in the middle.

SAT Math   690 average
660-740 range of middle 50%
Score of 700 - 800
48%
Score of 600 - 700
50%
Score of 500 - 600
2%

SAT Critical Reading   690 average
660-720 range of middle 50%
Score of 700 - 800
47%
Score of 600 - 700
48%
Score of 500 - 600
5%

SAT Writing   683 average
640-710 range of middle 50%
Score of 700 - 800
40%
Score of 600 - 700
55%
Score of 500 - 600
5%

ACT Scores of Enrolled Freshmen
ACT Composite   32 average
30-33 range of middle 50%
Score of 30 - 36
88%
Score of 24 - 29
12%

Impressive. And, yes the variability in D3 is somewhat remarkable. Enrollment ranging from 500 to 20,000+. Academic standards that go from community college to superior to IVY (Williams). Huge tuition range.

We often here about the disparity in D1 between the power 5 schools and others. At least, in that situation they all have somewhat uniform academic standards and they are all playing from the same number of scholarships. Everything else might be wayward, but they do have that. Not the case in D3.

There might be something here. I might have give the D3 bracket a spin on academics and see who wins out. They do this every year around bowl time and NCAA basketball tourney time.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84013 on: November 14, 2017, 01:50:59 pm »

To whom it may concern-

I am a Mount Union alumnus. Although I went to 3 graduate schools , with degrees from 2 of them, I'm having trouble understanding something. What's the point of the ACT/SAT discussion? And why the disparaging remarks about dear old UMU?
Please keep your response simple since I am a Mount grad.
Go Raiders!

They're saying UMU is a glorified community college and this helps the football team. Of course that's not what I'm saying.


Exactly. YOU are saying SJU (SJCC) is a glorified community college and this helps the football team.

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Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #84014 on: November 14, 2017, 01:54:33 pm »
I have said many times in the past that DIII is the least competitive division top to bottom. So long as you don't offer scholarships to athletes greater than the average of scholarships to non-athletes (or something to that effect), you can do whatever you want. Spend money however you want (so long as you don't get Title IX'd), and focus on whatever you want. Compared to the uniformity scholarships and media dollars bring to DII and, especially, D1, DIII is the wild wild west of athletics. On the upside side, since it is less important to schools, we have less cheating and scandal.