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DuffMan

Gosh, I saw that, Faunch, though didn't realize how bad Holy Family is.  In fact, I've barely heard of Holy Family prior to that announcement.

A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: 1932, 1935, 1936, 1938, 1953, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1982, 1985, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022
National Champions: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003

faunch



"I'm a uniter...not a divider."

OzJohnnie

The wife had me reorganising the bookshelf (apparently I read too many actual books according to miss precious kindle owner) and I was distracted halfway through and had to read the Tommie and Auggie chapters of The Sweet Season.  I hadn't read it in quite a while and was shocked again when Linneman's leg was broken.
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Retired Old Rat

Quote from: faunch on January 27, 2023, 11:10:40 AM
How would you like your kid to be coached by this guy? Like a cross between Bobby Knight and Ike Turner!

https://twitter.com/lilyyyelise/status/1618622279533105153?s=20&t=UNK1IUmCgawx-4XMqE5fkA


https://www.kwtx.com/2023/01/24/morefield-no-longer-umhb-womens-basketball-coach/


Maybe Icebear is his burner account. An outburst like that is not "out of character."  It reveals character. I didn't think Baptists could cuss like that.
   
National Champions: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003

art76

Quote from: faunch on January 27, 2023, 11:10:40 AM
How would you like your kid to be coached by this guy? Like a cross between Bobby Knight and Ike Turner!

https://twitter.com/lilyyyelise/status/1618622279533105153?s=20&t=UNK1IUmCgawx-4XMqE5fkA


https://www.kwtx.com/2023/01/24/morefield-no-longer-umhb-womens-basketball-coach/


Just wow - that is so inappropriate on so many levels at any level of competition of any sport.

Definitely compensating...
You don't have a soul. You are a soul.
You have a body. - C.S. Lewis

DuffMan

Fiery.  I like it (I'm obviously kidding here).

Serious question though, would that be more accepted if it were a men's basketball coach?

A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: 1932, 1935, 1936, 1938, 1953, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1982, 1985, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022
National Champions: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003

OzJohnnie

Quote from: DuffMan on January 29, 2023, 09:25:21 AM
Fiery.  I like it (I'm obviously kidding here).

Serious question though, would that be more accepted if it were a men's basketball coach?

Some parents don't mind that behaviour.  They want their kids pushed to the edge in that manner.  I don't agree, but some approve of it.  Assuming that's a high performing team, I would be shopping my kid around to get in another club.

But think how conflicted a parent would be if that is the only option for their kid in town.  It's either submit to that a-hole's abuse or not let your kid play ball at her (it's a girl's team?) most competitive level.  Tough choice for a parent tied up in helping their kid be the best they can be, etc.
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OzJohnnie

You know, this is probably an unpopular opinion but I really don't like what that mum who published the rant did.  Published it to the whole world.  Now how do the other girls and their families feel?  Like heels for enduring the abuse.  Was that snippet we saw indicative or a caused by something else?  Was the mum's daughter not getting playing time and this passive/aggressive **** storm on the internet her way of getting revenge on the coach?

And what about her daughter?  How is her daughter's life going to go after mum pretty much destroyed all the other girls' dreams on that team?  Sure, mum can take the cold shoulder - she probably doesn't like any of the other parents anyways - but what sort of emotional punishment will her daughter get in the school corridor now?

If you don't like the coach then pull your kid.  Tell the coach why you're doing it, like an adult.  And the club administration, like an adult.  Don't passive/aggressively damage every other person associated with the club, like a child yourself.
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hazzben

#105683
For drama a little closer to home, how about the controversy swirling at Hamline about the adjunct professor getting canned for showing (with syllabus and day of warning) a historic painting of Muhammad. President of the Muslim Student Association was in the online class, chose not to refrain from viewing after the 2 minute warning, and complained of religious discrimination. President essentially quiet fired the adjunct prof and didn't renew her contract (after discussions for her to actually increase her teaching load prior to the brouhaha). Then HU Pres said it was an instance of Islamaphobia. Then the fired prof sued for defamation. Since several prominent national Muslim organizations have actually come out and stated the professor was not bigoted in her actions and that they way she went about showing the image was not in and of itself Islamophobic.

And then the full time faculty at Hamline voted overwhelmingly to have the President fired (a measure with no real teeth) and wrote a letter the Board of Trustees saying the episode harmed academic freedom and had damaged Hamline's reputation.

My initial reaction, thank goodness none of these profs attend any football games, they'd have to cancel the program for the harm done to their rep!!  ;) 8-) (I kid, I kid)

OzJohnnie

So far this year in sport Hamline has...

Mens: Golf, no show; Cross country, last; Soccer, second last; Football last
Womens: Golf, no show; Cross country, fourth last; Soccer, second last; Volleyball, third last

Last year, the men's team's highest finish was fourth last in basketball and outdoor track.  The only school they beat in the all-sports trophy was St Mary's the nursing school that failed to field a men's team in three sports.  I think Hamline's sorry commitment to sporting capability in anything pretty much reflects their commitment to excellence as an institution as a whole, unfortunately.  Hamline is, undoubtedly, the sad sack of the MIAC-affiliated schools in every respect.
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DuffMan

Quote from: OzJohnnie on January 29, 2023, 04:26:13 PM
Some parents don't mind that behaviour.  They want their kids pushed to the edge in that manner.  I don't agree, but some approve of it.  Assuming that's a high performing team, I would be shopping my kid around to get in another club.

But think how conflicted a parent would be if that is the only option for their kid in town.  It's either submit to that a-hole's abuse or not let your kid play ball at her (it's a girl's team?) most competitive level.  Tough choice for a parent tied up in helping their kid be the best they can be, etc.

I tend to agree with you, Oz.  Though these are college athletes, that's some over-the-top behavior.  If that is typical behavior, that is not an atmosphere that would have brought the best out in 18-22 year old DuffMan.

I've been coaching youth sports for a number of years, and I have seen some pretty bad behavior from coaches, though I have seen plenty of fantastic coaches, too.  Personally, we had a coach in our wrestling club several years ago who I had problems with.  He didn't directly coach Duff Jr., but I had enough interactions with him, and I thought his behavior at tournaments set a poor example for our athletes.  After the season, I made it clear to our board of directors that we'd be leaving if he continued coaching for us.

I don't know exactly what went down, but he's no longer with us.  I did see him last weekend, and his son is wrestling elsewhere.  I'm happy because I really didn't want to leave.  ;D  And I'm now on that board of directors--I should probably ask what happened.  :o

A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: 1932, 1935, 1936, 1938, 1953, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1982, 1985, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022
National Champions: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003

SagatagSam

Forbes released its "Strongest And Weakest Colleges In America — Behind Forbes 2022 Financial Grades" this past June. Every MIAC school except for Hamline and St. Kate's saw its score drop, and all but Concordia had a drop of greater than 10 percentage points. St. Olaf (-31.87%), Macalester (-30.9%) and Gustavus (-28.16%) had the worst percentage drops, and roughly half of the MIAC saw a drop of 20% or greater.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2022/06/09/the-strongest-and-weakest-colleges-in-america---behind-forbes-2022-financial-grades/?sh=3abbc937ffad

I know in years past when I have posted this it has been met with some criticism. I'm posting just because I find it interesting and could make for some insightful conversation and critiques--(like what brought Hamline back from the dead?!)
Sing us a song, you're the piano man
Sing us a song tonight
Well, we're all in the mood for a melody
And you've got us feelin' alright.

jamtod

Dead cat bounce?

Does Hamline get some credit for being prominently featured in national news?

OzJohnnie

Quote from: SagatagSam on January 30, 2023, 02:22:43 PM
Forbes released its "Strongest And Weakest Colleges In America — Behind Forbes 2022 Financial Grades" this past June. Every MIAC school except for Hamline and St. Kate's saw its score drop, and all but Concordia had a drop of greater than 10 percentage points. St. Olaf (-31.87%), Macalester (-30.9%) and Gustavus (-28.16%) had the worst percentage drops, and roughly half of the MIAC saw a drop of 20% or greater.

Well, the MIAC did as you would expect through the lockdowns, maybe better than expected.  It's a shame they don't share the full data set, including those nine attributes they rate.  It would be interesting to see what's driving the rating changes for the various schools.  It would also be interesting to see their evidence that those nine particular attributes are material to assessing the financial health of an institution.
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OzJohnnie

Quote from: DuffMan on January 30, 2023, 09:04:52 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on January 29, 2023, 04:26:13 PM
Some parents don't mind that behaviour.  They want their kids pushed to the edge in that manner.  I don't agree, but some approve of it.  Assuming that's a high performing team, I would be shopping my kid around to get in another club.

But think how conflicted a parent would be if that is the only option for their kid in town.  It's either submit to that a-hole's abuse or not let your kid play ball at her (it's a girl's team?) most competitive level.  Tough choice for a parent tied up in helping their kid be the best they can be, etc.

I tend to agree with you, Oz.  Though these are college athletes, that's some over-the-top behavior.  If that is typical behavior, that is not an atmosphere that would have brought the best out in 18-22 year old DuffMan.

I've been coaching youth sports for a number of years, and I have seen some pretty bad behavior from coaches, though I have seen plenty of fantastic coaches, too.  Personally, we had a coach in our wrestling club several years ago who I had problems with.  He didn't directly coach Duff Jr., but I had enough interactions with him, and I thought his behavior at tournaments set a poor example for our athletes.  After the season, I made it clear to our board of directors that we'd be leaving if he continued coaching for us.

I don't know exactly what went down, but he's no longer with us.  I did see him last weekend, and his son is wrestling elsewhere.  I'm happy because I really didn't want to leave.  ;D  And I'm now on that board of directors--I should probably ask what happened.  :o

Heh, they won't know what hit them.  "I suggest we have a look at a 'It's a beautiful day drill" for the kids."
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