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Title: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:19:57 AM
This is the new home of MWC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfb74 on August 16, 2005, 11:36:45 AM
i have to say that this new setup is different.  And we all know how housch hates change.  They moved the caf to a diffent location at school and he didnt eat for days.

Camp has begun and the school are gettign ready for the season.  Any predictions for the first upset?  I think it is going to be Lawrence over any team they beat. - 1987  -

PEACE

Look at all this crazy stuff you can do
   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on August 16, 2005, 12:34:18 PM
74 is fat
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 16, 2005, 01:11:57 PM
I lost my status!!!  What the hell?  It took me years to make fun of O'Malley, to tear into Ripon, to remind everyone that I am and  always will be better than them to build up to all-conference.
And now there is all this crap on here that I have no idea how to use.  Damn it
Pat, what the hell
is going on?  This reminds me of that time they moved the caf... >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2005, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: xsnd47 link=topic=3562.msg355667#msg355667 date=1124212317Whatglow=red,2,300] the hell[/glow]?

Did you read the story on either site's front page about what to do in those situations?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 16, 2005, 02:31:33 PM
House is brainless and worthless!!!
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 16, 2005, 02:33:17 PM
Pat, I am an IT consultant.  I don't read words good. :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on August 16, 2005, 03:30:42 PM
I am not sure I like it that much either.  When I was at Ripon, I was introduced to email and used on campus comptuers.  By the time I was a senior, everyone had their own computer except me.

Oh well, I figure I will post enough to get my ratings back.  It is just a matter of time before the 10 guys from SNC tell me to eat dirt and hang out with their fat girlfriends.
Title: Beloit Head Coach Announces Retirement
Post by: xsnd47 on August 16, 2005, 06:03:27 PM
Next season might be the most compeptitive Beloit has been in decades.  As a man, DeGeorge sounded like a nice honest guy, but as a coach... well he's been running the wing-t for almost as long as I've been alive.  I think this is about three years too late to really help Beloit, but who knows.

???   >:(

Do you think the mad face will ever catch the confused face?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 17, 2005, 10:56:22 AM
Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.bridgewaterfootball.com/rankings.html

Not bad representation for a league of such poor athletes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on August 17, 2005, 12:24:18 PM
lots of bells and whistles...I see a few of the SNC guys around...it may take a while for the 1 ripon poster to teach the rest of the redducks how to work this thing so we may be flying solo for a while....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfb74 on August 17, 2005, 04:46:35 PM
How many alums are going up to the first game of the year?  I know myself and Riegle will be there with bells on to watch # 48  knock some WIAC heads around.

Ticker you married yet?

PEACE
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on August 17, 2005, 05:01:09 PM
Might make it over for the 1st game...not sure yet.

Not married yet, getting closer tho....

do you still enjoy cantaloupes? or was is just melons in general?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 17, 2005, 05:49:03 PM
Steph and I might make it up there.  I'll see if I can drag the Korean and his brother the Mc up there too.  Laufensnausage might make the trip too.  I would hope there would be a good turn out, but I am guessing there will be a typical lack of student body which leaves us with a fan base of families and alumni.  Someone have Llanas comb the campus to pick up some freshman chicks.  I'm sure they'd sit through a football game to hang out with a former member of Menudo.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 18, 2005, 12:39:28 AM
Quote from: xsnd47 on August 17, 2005, 10:56:22 AM
Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.bridgewaterfootball.com/rankings.html

Not bad representation for a league of such poor athletes.

xsnd47 - Good find on that link there.  Nice to see the MWC represented by 3 different schools on those top 10 lists...especially since it is such a poor conference, like you said.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 18, 2005, 01:51:12 AM
Yeah, but it's a ranking for a fantasy football league, where a good player in a weak conference looks better because he piles up numbers. That's not an endorsement of the league by any stretch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncla42 on August 18, 2005, 11:46:16 AM
The Allison crew will be up for the the game.  Got take the kid to his first college football game.  Looking forward to the tailgating and watching #48 as well.  I taught him everything. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 18, 2005, 12:25:09 PM
I wouldn't miss watching those sandbags (U-Dumb-Dumb) get tipped in a lifetime. Anyone up for some Friday night festivities.
OTAF, I hear the Chinese contigent is large on campus this semester. You can tell them you love them long time.
42, is that puppy coming too?
Title: D3 Preview
Post by: rome on August 18, 2005, 12:51:59 PM
Pat

I have recieved notice that my payment was accepted by pay pal last week and I have not recieved a password or preview-please advise
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 18, 2005, 12:54:11 PM
They haven't gone out yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 18, 2005, 01:06:43 PM
A woman at work said I looked like I was losing weight.  Of course, I took that as a sign of concern for my health, so I will need to dive into an Abbey Burger and a few beers when/if we come up there Friday night, you know.... for my health.  Nobody likes a skinny fat guy.  Has anyone seen Povo?  I use to hear of random sightings throughout the greater Milwaukee area, but I haven't heard anything in a while.

     :o          >:(
O'Malley     HOUSH

Look at O'Malley run away from me, pretty typical...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfb74 on August 18, 2005, 01:29:21 PM
The only running I remember is when I ran over you....  do you remember?  I do!

Does anyody else remember?

I will be there with my girlfriend Reigle on Friday night.  I am definatly up for some Friday Fung.

                 :'(
Housch crying about everything


PEACE
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 18, 2005, 01:56:22 PM
//http://Breaking%20News:%20Women%20notice%20House.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 18, 2005, 01:59:31 PM
Pat, can you charge my subscription to your thing you're making us pay for to All-American O'Malley?  He still owes me for when he begged me to let him block me in one on one drills to impress some foreign exchange student.  I think her name was Reigle.  She was pretty cute, so I hope she was worth it Otaf.  Here is a picture  :-*

Do you guys think the guy who makes smiley faces is Povo?  I remember Povo resembling a lot of these faces, primarily crazy guy and I forgot to take my medication guy, but at one point or another he was all these guys, sometimes all at once...

That's not a real website Meach.
Title: Fighting Scots
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on August 18, 2005, 02:27:50 PM
so Maverick, how do we look?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 18, 2005, 02:46:01 PM
Did you ever see him trying to hatch a football?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on August 19, 2005, 12:05:57 PM
classic stuff right there...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 19, 2005, 12:49:20 PM
nothing beats cookies in the girdle pockets.  the hatching of the football was funny, but i would have to admit i was a little concerned at that point.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on August 19, 2005, 03:03:54 PM
house, how did you get your posts back? I sent them an email, but I got nothin so far...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 19, 2005, 03:23:09 PM
i'm not sure how i got them back.  i stressed my concerns for how hard i worked on the board, and pat gave them back.  i think you have to be lame cool enough to complain about your status on a message board, which i am.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on August 19, 2005, 03:33:34 PM
Press release for the season, it is long so you SNC guys might want to read it in pieces:

RIPON, WIS. -- St. Norbert (9-2, 9-0 MWC) was picked to finish first in the 2005 Midwest Conference Football Preseason Coaches Poll.  The poll was voted on by head coaches at participating member institutions. The Green Knights, who received eight of the nine possible first-place votes, have won 18 consecutive MWC games and 43 of their last 45 conference contests. Monmouth College (9-1, 8-1) grabbed the two remaining first place votes to finish  in second. Lake Forest (8-2, 7-2) was tabbed to finish third, while Carroll (3-7, 3-6) was picked fourth. Illinois College (6-4, 5-4) and Ripon (5-5, 4-5) tied in the #5 slot. The final four spots were rounded out by Grinnell (6-4, 5-4), Beloit (3-7, 2-7), Knox (1-9, 1-8) and Lawrence (2-8, 1-8).



Jim Purtill's group has held at least a share of the past six MWC titles and has appeared in the postseason a league-best six times. Purtill welcomes back All-American candidate Casey Meehan (1,707 all-purpose yd, 25 ap td) at running back, while first team All-MWC wide receiver T.J. George (52 rec, 856 yd) also returns. The defense losses five All-MWC players to graduation, but Tony Mendina (69 tckl, 3 int) and Anthony Triner (2 int) are back to anchor the defensive backfield.



2004 MWC Coach of the Year Steve Bell and the Monmouth College Fighting Scot were the only 9-1 team in the nation who did not qualify for the playoffs last season. The Scots have reason to believe their luck will change this season, as the quarterback-wideout tandem of Mitch Tanney (1,952 yd, 24 td) and Evan Haffner (36 rec, 911 yd, 11 td) lead a potent offense. Ryan Bast (10 career int) has shutdown potential at corner, but the three others starters are gone from one of the nation's top pass defenses a year ago.



Brent Becker takes over as head coach at Lake Forest after serving as defensive coordinator for the Foresters the past two seasons. Becker's defensive units, which have produced the past two MWC Defensive Players of the Year, have ranked among the best in the country. Linebacker Louis Bertuca leads the defense this season after registering 63 tackles and 4.5 sacks in 2004. The offense should be solid as well, as the Foresters return all-conference quarterback Matt Mahaney (2,436 yd, 13 td).



Carroll could be the darkhorse in this season's MWC race. Jeff Voris' team's 3-7 record from a year ago is deceiving, as the Pioneers lost by one point to MWC champion St. Norbert and also fell to Lake Forest and Grinnell by a combined seven points. Wide receiver Adam Fletcher (75 rec, 975 yd, 13 td) and linebacker Chris Albanese (83 tckl, 3 sck) will lead their respective sides of the ball.



Illinois College and head coach Aaron Keen fell four points shy of a seven-win season last year and return with much of their team still intact. Pete Jennings is back after throwing for 2,200 yards and 20 touchdowns last season. He will be joined in the backfield by 1,000 yard rusher Jarid Crain (1,230 yd, 11 td).





After winning 11 games over the past two seasons, Ron Ernst looks to return the Red Hawks to the form they showed in 2001, when the team finished 8-2 and won a share of the MWC crown. Ryan Morgan, Tim Peters and Zach Davidson were All-MWC selections in 2005 and return to lead the defense. Bob Faulds threw for 1,431 yards and 14 touchdowns in his sophomore season.



Grinnell head coach Greg Wallace will depend heavily on standout quarterback Sean Pfalzer this season. Pfalzer ranked 18th in the nation in total offense a season ago, averaging 269.9 yards per game. He also tossed 17 touchdowns and ran for two scores as well. The Pioneers will need to improve on a rush defense that ranked second to last in the conference in 2004.



Ed DeGeorge enters his 29th and final season at Beloit. Four-year starter Nate Skelton, who has thrown for over 3,700 yards in his career, returns to lead Beloit's wing-t offense. The Buc's offense finished 22nd in the nation in rushing offense (241.5 ypg) last season and leading rusher Lee Rankinen (1,196 yd) is also back. The Buc's defense will depend on linebacker Adam Neiffer (122 tackles).



Andy Gibbons' young Knox squad lost by 13 points or less four times last season. The team showed improvement late in the season, defeating Illinois College 13-10 for its lone win of the season. The Prairie Fire have reason for optimism, as they return 18 starters and 44 letterwinners this year. Running back Kevin Megli is the Prairie Fires top scoring threat (903 yd, 5 td).



New Lawrence head coach Chris Howard welcomes back three All-MWC performers in his first season guiding the Vikings. Nick Korn is the offense's best weapon after catching 31 balls for 433 yards and six scores last year. Howard will look to improve his squad on the lines, after Lawrence finished last in the conference in rushing and defending the run in 200


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 19, 2005, 03:49:45 PM
I only had to read the top.  That is where they usually put all the information about the winning team.  You all have fun fighting over second again.


(  |  )       :-*'Malley
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2005, 03:55:15 PM
I'm putting them back as people ask about them and as I have time. It's not like there are five or 10 people affected -- there are about a hundred. Please be patient.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 19, 2005, 04:06:09 PM
Pat, I would like to smite O'Malley some more, but that option is no longer given.  Can you please put the smite button back.

Thank you,

Housh

;D      >:('Malley

It's funny because your name is O'Malley, like Obermueller, but with an apostrophe and a Malley at the end.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on August 19, 2005, 04:53:41 PM
can't help but chuckle at every one of your posts 47...I'm also a big fan of greg's little picture.

has camp started yet? anyone heard anything useful?

Pat, I'm aware that you are flooded with requests...just thought I'd whine a little bit to see if I could get it fixed quicker like a certain pc challenged IT consultant I know...I'm just posting to get my numbers up now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2005, 06:28:04 PM
If you've smited/applauded the person recently you can't do so again until a certain amount of time has passed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfb74 on August 19, 2005, 07:52:53 PM
For those of you not familar with our favrite fat freind jason housch I have decided to submit a picture of him for all you to see.  Thanks to pat with this new posting forum you can all see what our beautiful little chubby man looks like!  So on behalf of everybody I would like to say thank you pat!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gimpcity.com%2Fhow%2Fwhy-fat-guy.jpg&hash=9de50893e67676b9e77ccb4e71f79608d26627f9)
Dont tell me you dont think he is pretty!
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Peace


;D'Malley
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 20, 2005, 11:18:42 AM
I loved that dress...
Title: Re: Fighting Scots
Post by: Maverick on August 21, 2005, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on August 18, 2005, 02:27:50 PM
so Maverick, how do we look?

Old Fighting Scot,
Watched some of the scrimmage this afternoon and the things that I saw during the sessions looked pretty good.  You enjoying being back out on the west coast again these days?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on August 22, 2005, 09:05:44 AM
The couch potato says the SND is looking good.  How good remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on August 22, 2005, 12:24:45 PM
that must be a recent pic b/c he was much bigger than that last time I saw him....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 23, 2005, 12:16:01 AM
i've been putting on my winter layer.  i like to start that in august.

IYOT!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 23, 2005, 03:54:22 PM
House, I'm willing to bet you have a permanent mangina.
On a side note, everyone's favorite bed wetter, Matt Cullen, is reportedly giving up his pro wrestling career after getting squashed by a certain Meach in an Appleton apartment complex.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on August 24, 2005, 06:02:29 PM
[tr]Glad to hear the scotties look ok.  i am looking forward to trying to make a vip trip to a game either at Lake Forest or during homecoming.  Ill need to find my M Club card so that i can get in free...[/tr]
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: zpeck on August 27, 2005, 01:18:54 AM
I heard that there are two Marsh brothers over at Beloit that are really tearing things up. The middle linebacker is a junior and they are excpecting big things and the younger one looks to be starting on the d-line. It looks like these kids are really going to tear the conference up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUtickles on August 27, 2005, 03:27:08 PM
The next bout will not be pretty.  I forgot that my opponent was a good 30-40 lbs heavier than he was in our previous bout and I was a few pounds lighter. Sounds like SNC has two quarterbacks to pick from this season.  One is pretty athletic and mobile and the other is a better thrower, more like a Ryan Hartman.  Defensively they will still play a 4-2-5 but with fewer blitzes and more basic coverages. 1987
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 29, 2005, 01:57:33 PM
Excuses, excuses, you Tickles imposter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 29, 2005, 02:16:39 PM
Just saw the SNC two-deep.
Looks like Arkens will earn the start Saturday. Nice job buddy. He is being backed by the Polish Prince. Alright.
Among the other notables, if this is up to date, an O'Malley sighting at LB and kicker Bob pulling double duty.
Can't wait for kickoff.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 29, 2005, 02:29:52 PM
Where the hell is Schussler?  Did he eat a live cow or something?  I knew his coming back was too good to be true.  Damn it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on August 29, 2005, 05:06:21 PM
Don't quote me, but I think he's overseas with the Army.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on August 29, 2005, 07:00:25 PM
was there actually a reference to players from beloit tearing up the conference?  are these guys transfers? is this for real?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncla42 on August 29, 2005, 07:50:28 PM
word on wren and seth.  I talked to wren at the west towne mall in maidson.  He will be sitting out this year to get surgery on his hand.  nothing major.  he would have missed at least one game with it so he just figured he would get it fixed and come back next year 100% for howard and LU.  He also said that seth is working on getting into LU and also playing next year.  This is just what wren told me to the best of my slightly damaged memory.  I am just posting this to hopefully clear up all the rumors.  But i probably just feuled the more.  sorry aljey and seth! :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on August 30, 2005, 12:03:28 AM
Well that is crap.  I was hoping to see Schussler in the Green and Gold again.  That is a disappointment.  Those two would make a substantial contribution to any program, but it won't be enough to lift LU over a program like SNC.  I am interested to see what Howard does at LU.  Those of you who played for him speak very highly of him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on September 01, 2005, 10:46:54 AM
Big Pat, I got yelled at for bringing this up last year, but I was a week too early last year.  Are we going to see an around the region for the midwest, prior to Saturday?

See what happens when you leave the job up to a guy from Ripon.  Hey, at least Harrison Ford went there.  The cookies are good too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2005, 10:57:54 AM
We're looking for a new columnist -- John has relocated and is no longer in the area. I will make an offer on the column hopefully tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on September 01, 2005, 11:03:11 AM
Let Meach write the column.

Meach, write the column, you're a writer.

Done.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 01, 2005, 02:07:18 PM
Good luck MWC-

This is an important week in terms of the conference gaining respectability.
Go Beloit-send Ed out a winner.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 03, 2005, 07:43:37 AM
GO KNIGHTS!

Be the bee!  Win one for the MWC!  Show those guys over at the
We don't win enough
In conference games to
Attain a pool
C bid conference what you're made of!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2005, 01:51:26 PM
Good luck today to all the MWC teams!  Especially the Monmouth College Fighting Scots!  Will be back in a few hours with the final score from the MC vs. CUW game...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2005, 05:54:48 PM
Final from Monmouth:
MC 40 - CUW 26

A good performance by the Fighting Scots for week 1.  Yards were fairly even between the 2 teams but turnovers and mistakes were very costly for CUW--similar to last year's game.  MC actually led the game 40-6 before 3 late TD's by the Falcons made the score look closer than it actually was.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tps040580 on September 03, 2005, 05:59:26 PM
LFC 21 Malalester 10
UWW 42 SNC 0 -Ehh, sorry.
Knox 21 LU 14 - it wasn't even that close
Ripon 20 Grinnell 18- at one point it was 20-5

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2005, 06:21:19 PM
Week 1 Final Scores:
Ripon 20 - Grinnell 18
Knox 21 - Lawrence 14
Carleton 35 - Beloit 28
Carthage @ Carroll, 6 pm
Illinois C. 28 - Blackburn 7
Lake Forest 21 - Macalester 10
Monmouth 40 - Concordia (WI) 26
UW-Whitewater 45 - St. Norbert 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 04, 2005, 10:26:45 AM
Other than a very impressive win by Monmouth, these scores don't seem very good for the conference.  Lake Forest in a close game with usually poor Macalester, same with IC and Blackburn, Beloit losing to usually poor (I think) Carleton, and Norbert getting absolutely pasted!   Anyone else care to comment?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1_For_27 on September 04, 2005, 10:49:16 AM
Well... Well... Well.... Just like we all knew was going to happen Nubs got abused like a redheaded step child!!!  Now I can talk smack freely for a long time.  You were complainin about no national ranking, see this is what happens when you play a real team, crappy teams like nubs get thrashed!!!  WAY TO GO WARHAWKS!!!  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldpa on September 04, 2005, 01:08:43 PM
C'mon 1 for, WW only won 86 to 16 the last two times they played. The real question is will they ever play again. My guess is not for a long time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkalum on September 04, 2005, 03:18:39 PM
Well once again I went to the UW Whitewater St. Norberts game expecting the power of the MWC to give Whitewater a game. As their head coach last year said they was no doubt in his mind that they were the best team in the state to represent d3 football in the playoffs. UWW whooped them alst year allowing to score nine points in the first half.
This year it was 35-00 at halftime,and I went to see if I could get my money back as St. Norberts didn't even show up in the first half. I was told to stop beign a smarrt a** or I would get kicked out fo the place.
Oldpa I truly believe Brezowitz would love to play SNC again. I am not sure if Purtill wants to get beat again like they have the past to times.
I hope he does as Brez told me he would love to play SNC or any other team from the MWC. He did sign a 10 year contract with Carroll College in 1996, but after Carroll got whooped 155-14. Carroll pulled out this started in 1996,and ended in 1997. Which is when Whitewater started traveling all across the country playing teams such as western washington, Hardin Simmons,Mount Union,and St. Johns.
Finally I know I will get ripped for ripping SNC but the score says it all the warhawks came they saw and they whipped the green snots I mean knights all opver the field not once but two eyars in a row.
GO WARHAWKS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1_For_27 on September 05, 2005, 11:42:36 AM
oldpa,
There is not a chance that Purtill would ever schedule us for another season opener.  He is going to schedule some cake team out of the CCIW or another close d3 conference to pad his schedule even more.   All they care about is winning conference.  Which is important, but we all know that if you can't beat the best, (i.e. us with UWLAX), you are never gonna be the best.  Congrats hawks again and beat SXU!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: voice on September 05, 2005, 08:55:13 PM
The St. Norbert vs. Whitewater series ends at just two games. The contract was not renewed.  Whitewater replaces St. Norbert with Elmhurst out of the CCIW. :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2005, 12:04:25 AM
Quote from: voice on September 05, 2005, 08:55:13 PM
The St. Norbert vs. Whitewater series ends at just two games. The contract was not renewed.  Whitewater replaces St. Norbert with Elmhurst out of the CCIW. :o

Wow, talk about scheduling a cake team out of the CCIW for one of next year's non-conference games.  :D

Any of the SNC posters know who the Knights will be playing for their non-conference game next season?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldpa on September 06, 2005, 09:41:27 AM
Couldn't be any more of a cupcake than St. Norberts has been the last two years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1_For_27 on September 06, 2005, 10:35:34 AM
I might have to give elmhurst a little credit they don't play Ripon, or Knox.  The CCIW is a litte more competitive than the MWC.  Whatever I don't really care cause WW won and that is all that matters!!

45-7      45-7    45-7    45-7     45-7

WARHAWKS     WARHAWKS     WARHAWKS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 06, 2005, 11:32:50 AM
Ripon used to play Elmhurst and yes, they were a cupcake.  Next year Ripon has UW-O.  I think the conference has to continue to play stronger teams, that is the only way we will ever get two bids to the playoffs.  Monmouth was the only 9-1 team to not make it remember.  SNC will win the conference, and by the end of the season they will get redemption somehow.

As for Ripon/Grinnell.  This game is the reason why we need to get rid of MacCalester.  When you want a preseason tune up and play guys who might be starters and get them some reps, you can't do against a conference team.  I know in the 2nd half Ernst pulled some defensive starters to get other some time, and this may have been the reason for the comback.  The offense looks great and Birschbach is a stud.  Faulds has improved his fakes and many times made great reads for large gains on 3rd down.  The defense is already better than last year.  With Quade back at lb and this transfer, Kellett starting they are pretty solid.  I would bet Ripon finishes no worse than 7-3, they have some room for improvement and are not there yet, but are very young and start maybe 7 Seniors.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2005, 12:40:38 PM
Great start to the season, Scots!  The outcome looked a little close until I saw the box score.  Must have been a fun game to watch, huh Mav?

Now, I've GOT to try some of these icon gadgets...

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 06, 2005, 12:49:28 PM
It must have been a great day to be a Fighting Scot!!!
Title: SNC future opponent
Post by: Old_Style on September 06, 2005, 01:13:06 PM
I do believe that the Green Knight have a home and home against Wartburg. I think that is what I read in the program but the words all seemed to be blured together on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 06, 2005, 05:03:37 PM
SNC can take nothing good out of their game this past Saturday. My advice is to forget everything and move on. The next question is "Are they still the overwhelming favorite to win the conference ?" At this point there is no good answer to that question because it says more about the conference than it does about SNC.

Although I was in the general area, I didn't attend the Beloit-Carleton game as I thought it was out of town. It appears Beloits defense thought the game was out of town as well. You've simply gotta win when you gain as much yardage as their offense did.

Similarly Lake Forest has to beat Macalaster by a larger margin to be considered a contender/quality team.

As for the rest of the conference........... I'm primarily a hoops fand and am not knowledgable enough to applaud or complain about anything.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 06, 2005, 08:00:25 PM
SNC is scheduled to play Olivet Nazarene, an NAIA school, in 2006 & 07.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2005, 12:35:10 AM
scottie, Old Fighting Scot - It certainly was a good game to watch for the season opener and turned out as a great day to be a Fighting Scot!   :)

And regardless of who is right (Old_Style or PapaSmurf) about SNC's non-conference opponent for next season, either Wartburg or Olivet Nazarene would both be quality games for the Knights.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 07, 2005, 07:24:37 AM
Pat

I have yet to recieve my preview. What gives? the password was incorrect and won't let me log-in
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2005, 11:04:43 PM
According to some inside info that I recently caught wind of, Monmouth will be opening the 2006 season against Wartburg.  So this would mean that PapaSmurf was right with St. Norbert playing Olivet Nazarence for next season's non-conference game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2005, 11:21:21 PM
Quote from: rome on September 07, 2005, 07:24:37 AMI have yet to recieve my preview. What gives? the password was incorrect and won't let me log-in

I don't have a registration under your address as posted on your profile. Drop me an e-mail or a private message with some more details and I'll get it straightened out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 08, 2005, 05:05:40 PM
Maverick:  You say Monmouth has Wartburg on future schedules?  Kudos to Coach Bell for continuing to increase the status of the Scots' opening day opponents, and in turn their SOS.  Maybe Whitewater will be next...    :o

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 08, 2005, 08:32:40 PM
SNC received some sad news this week that defensive coordinator Randy Marsh will be sitting out the rest of the season due to health reasons.  Everyone is hoping for a quick recovery and his return next season.  In the interim the defense will be led by Tim McGuire, the former head coach of Indiana State.  In happier news sophmore lb Dan Dohr and senior dl Ben Baker were commended for their play in last Saturday's game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2005, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 08, 2005, 05:05:40 PM
Maverick:  You say Monmouth has Wartburg on future schedules?  Kudos to Coach Bell for continuing to increase the status of the Scots' opening day opponents, and in turn their SOS.  Maybe Whitewater will be next...    :o

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   ;D

Yep, from what I heard out of a very reliable source, MC will be playing Wartburg in a 2-year home and home series starting in 2006 (next season).  It has definitely been a great job by Coach Bell and staff to continue the upgrade in non-conference opponents over the past few seasons.  I also recently found out who the Fighting Scots will be playing for their non-conference game beginning in 2008; I'll save that info for another day but I can honestly say that it's not Whitewater.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2005, 09:15:44 AM
Mt. Union?  No, don't tell me.  I can wait. 

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"    ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 09, 2005, 10:46:45 AM
Pat

Got the preview-thax

Now-can Beloit compete this weekend?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2005, 10:55:35 AM
In football? Gonna be tough.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 11, 2005, 11:05:03 AM
Pat

When do I get my status back?  It's tough going from a starter back to jv.  I know you're busy and it's good to see that we have a midwest region guy now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 11, 2005, 09:01:01 PM
So hey with all the suprises from this weekends games.  Who is the dominant for the Conference this year.  Is it still up to Norbert or are they still the dominant force that just had a bad game?  Or is it shifting to Monmouth with their dominant playing the past two weeks that seems to disappear when they get in the fourth quater due to what seems to be the 2nd string players.  Or maybe Lake Forest who still has yet to show any real ability yet against two week opponents.  Or could this be Carrolls year?  Who gave Carthage a run for their money? What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 12, 2005, 10:42:37 AM
It is going to be between SNC and Monmouth.  SNC may be having some tough luck right now, but until somebody else wins the conference outright, they are the team to beat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 12, 2005, 11:00:58 AM
Nubs will always be the team to beat until someone actually does it.  But i have to say I am liking our chances this week.  Has anyone seen SNC play this year, whats the deal?  Inquiring minds want to know...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 12, 2005, 03:01:47 PM
or is beloit really improved and playing inspired ball??
Title: Nubs and Everyone else!
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 12, 2005, 03:05:53 PM
Well its MC vs. Nubs this weekend.  If MC wins is SNC officially having a down year or is MC just as good as they have been playing?  If Nubs wins, where does MC go from here?  Is Carroll for real?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MPM on September 12, 2005, 05:39:09 PM
The St. Norbert vs. Monmouth contest will be a war! Give a slight edge to the home team. Lake Forest will struggle to put up enough points against the upper echelon teams in the MWC.
Look for an offensive explosion by the Grinnell Pioneers against Macalester this Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 12, 2005, 07:30:37 PM
     Beloit played a hell of a game last Saturday and if they had decided to kick their extra points instead of going for 2 three times and failing they could have won.  Their defense played tough including turning back SNC on 4th and one at the one.  Turnovers made a big difference in this game with SNC fumbling on the Beloit 12, losing a scoring opportunity, and on their own 19 resulting in a Beloit TD.  SNC needed a blocked punt recovered for a TD and a last second hail mary for a TD at the half to pull this one out.
     SNC is a young team with a good but inexperienced QB.  The defense is under their 3rd coordinator since last season and only had four days to get aquainted with the new coach's system before the Beloit game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 13, 2005, 11:09:52 AM
thanks papa smurf, at least someone on this board is alive. 
where have all the posters gone???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 13, 2005, 11:12:19 AM
Say Mr. Coleman, was it an oversight or just more shunning of respect for the talent in the MWC that got us left out of the Around the West article?  The conference title could be on the line this weekend that should at least be something worthy of mentioning...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2005, 01:02:48 PM
Neither. It's the fact that the MWC isn't part of ATR-West. Read the ATR front page for the breakdown.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on September 13, 2005, 02:34:07 PM
seriously, Knights, wtf is going on? Anyone with any information or some sort of a report from DePere?  A VERY ugly L in week 1 and a very shakey W in week 2 over a team picked in the bottom half of the league is not a good way to get up for the team picked to give you the biggest run for the title this year...6 in a row, get things cleaned up and get it done or you will need a miracle to make it 7.  Two losses will not get you in the playoffs either...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 13, 2005, 05:45:21 PM
Sorry Pat, My bad, we should be in the Around the Midwest then?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2005, 08:13:51 PM
Old Fighting Scot - I just got done reading the ATR-Midwest column and there is a small mention of the MWC in there; Monmouth @ St. Norbert is listed as one of the games to watch for this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2005, 08:14:46 PM
Yep. Every columnist does it a little differently.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 14, 2005, 11:43:55 AM
I read it, it was a fair assessment, hopefully we can remove some of the doubt of what we have done so far this season, and hopefully prove last year was a fluke.  Go Scots, Ill be cheering from Cali!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 14, 2005, 01:01:37 PM
So yeah I read the ATR-Midwest and it seems that the columnist has some doubts of Monmouth's offense.  From my personal observation it seems that they are on fire. Norbert has really struggled with both of their games.  Offense not as dominate as it has been in past years and defense isn't either.  Meehan hasn't really shown his Pre-Season All-American abilities yet. Will he this week?

What will be the deciding factor of who wins the game this week between these two teams?
Norbert Fans you have been quite lately, what do you have to say about the glowing question?  Seems like Scots fans are running the board now.  What do you think Monmouth fans about the glowing question?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on September 14, 2005, 02:17:16 PM
turnovers. from the looks of things, snc's offense has been very generous with the ball so far this year...if they clean that up, things should go a lot better the rest of the season...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tps040580 on September 14, 2005, 04:24:52 PM
This matchup might be a bit overrated. The final score of the Beloit game was deceptive.  SNC was comfortably ahead going into the fourth quarter and just didn't put it away.  I have to believe that the SNC QB will get better as the season goes on, and that MC would have to mistake free to win the game.  SNC might not be as dominant as previous years, and I think losing Howard and some of the staff to LU might be part of the reason for the early season lull, but until they lose I can see it happening.

If somehow Monmouth does win, opportunities open up for LFC, Carroll, and IC to sneak into the picture and try to get at very least a chop of the crown. It would make for a much more interesting October and November to say the least.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 14, 2005, 04:34:14 PM
MC can score, they have shown that.  from the last few games i have seen vs. SNC the problem has been stopping the run.  if MC can stop the run, we could be seeing a change of the guard this weekend.  in their last 5 games, MC has given up on average 250 rushing yards.  If you cant run the ball, you have to throw it, and if you throw it a lot with a young QB, you have more chances to turn it over.  We Shall See.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 14, 2005, 09:23:55 PM
     As far as SNC's defense is concerned they have some areas where they need to do better.  The corners are getting burned for big plays including a fifty yard td in the Beloit game when they were in cover three.  This is a problem they had much of last year but to go along with that they have no sacks which puts even more pressure on the dbacks.  The give away/take away ratio is 8 to 1 so along with the offense cutting down on turnovers the defense needs to start creating some.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 15, 2005, 08:57:21 AM
Is anyone else excited for Ripon vs. Lawrence this weekend?  It may not be a match considered "playing for the MWC champ" but it still is one of the oldest and best rivalries in Wisconsin.

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on September 15, 2005, 09:37:01 PM
Did SNC posters all go on vacation at the same time.  Sure you were beat down by WW but this game against MC will make or break your season.  Anything can happen. 

Lines

Ripon     -13
Carrol    -18.5
SNC       -2.5
BC/LFC  Even
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on September 17, 2005, 12:51:28 AM
Hey Punter,
Hows the mid western life treating ya?
All is hot and humid down here in sunny Fla. So I'm hoping the Scoties can get it done against Norberts tomorrow. I know it would make this alumni pretty dang excited. I'm sure Steve, Chad, and Dave will have them fired up. I've been meaning to call Ragone and tell him my special forces down here are averaging a blocked punt a game. Can you tell me how Bushy has been doing. I miss that little fella.
Well lets hear it for those Fighting Scots
I'm starting to feel that good ol Scotitude.
                                                                                                                   The Rooster
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2005, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: FloridaScot on September 17, 2005, 12:51:28 AM
Hey Punter,
Hows the mid western life treating ya?
All is hot and humid down here in sunny Fla. So I'm hoping the Scoties can get it done against Norberts tomorrow. I know it would make this alumni pretty dang excited. I'm sure Steve, Chad, and Dave will have them fired up. I've been meaning to call Ragone and tell him my special forces down here are averaging a blocked punt a game. Can you tell me how Bushy has been doing. I miss that little fella.
Well lets hear it for those Fighting Scots
I'm starting to feel that good ol Scotitude.
                                                                                                                   The Rooster

Florida Scot,
Great to see another Fighting Scot back here on the board along with myself and Old Fighting Scot!  The Midwestern life is ok these days.  Still had been fairly hot and humid around here until a few days ago when I think fall finally arrived with some cooler weather.  Good to hear your special forces are bringing it again like they did last fall.  As for Bushy--he's started both games, made a few tackles, and even recovered a fumble last week against Ripon.  Off the field, I've seen him around a few times and he seems good. 

On to today's game...  You know the 3 amigos will have the Scotties fired up and ready to go.  I'm hoping like you that they can play their game and come away with a win.  It would make this alumni (and lots of others) pretty excited as well.  Just a couple hours til kickoff, can't wait to listen to it on the radio.  PMS!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 17, 2005, 04:44:47 PM
I need an update on the SNC vs MC game, im way out in cali and the audio feed isnt working.  Help me out maverick!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2005, 05:13:35 PM
FINAL SCORE:
Monmouth 28 - St. Norbert 20

Way to go Fighting Scots!  Great job to keep fighting back after being down for alot of the game.  All of us MC alumni are proud of you! :)  PMS!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ballhawk42 on September 17, 2005, 05:25:29 PM
Norbert who????Norbert what???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on September 17, 2005, 05:49:13 PM
Way to go scoties,
It's a great day to be a scot. 
All of the Fighting Scots down here are Damn proud of you guys. Coaches great job and congrates. I've been saving my pennies for a ticket up for the Turkey Bowl. I need a nap.
                                              PMS, The Rooster is crowin


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 17, 2005, 06:00:44 PM
way to go scotties!!! yes, it definitely is a great day to be a SCOT!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 17, 2005, 06:50:37 PM
Hey, I'm an IC guy and I'm still thrilled Monmouth won today.  Considering how quiet this board has been since the Whitewater game, I'm guessing the Norbert guys will be extremely quiet now!

ps.  Any IC updates today?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncla42 on September 17, 2005, 07:56:37 PM
appearently you guys dont know us Norbert's guys so well.  It is nearly imposible to shut us up.  It has probably been quiet on the board from the SNC guys because we were not into this game as much as everyone else.  I know I did really pay to much attention because for the last several years we had been hearing that monmouth may knock us off.  But had not got it done against SNC and it wasn't even close several of those years.  BUT I was wrong.  The SCOTTS got it done.  Congrats to those guys.  Keep fighting knights.   IT has been a tough year with a tons of destractions especially on the Defensive side (not to said that is why they lost, no disrespect to the Scotts)  Keep it up fellas the season is not over.  All this means is that the title will be decided alot later than normal.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkalum on September 17, 2005, 11:42:54 PM
Finally it happens,
The mighty Green Knights are knocked dowqn in the great Midwest conference.
Congratulations Monmouth, Hopfully this will not detract the Green Knights too much,as they will hopefully win a share of the title again.As thats what they have been doing since Purtil showed up.
I am glad too see that the warhawk destruction of the Green Knights was not a fluke,and we just put a small dent in their armor. Which The scotts took advantage of.
Good luck to everyone in the Midwest conference the rest of the way and hopefuylly the WIAC will see one of your teams in the playoffs at their stadiums.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: irishlover on September 18, 2005, 09:09:11 AM
Way to go Brent Becker and the LFC Forresters.............has no one taken notice that a first year coach has guided his team to a 3-0 start and first place in the MWC. I HAVE !!!!! Keep up the good work coaches and put it to Monmouth in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on September 18, 2005, 04:16:41 PM
Monmouth sucks!!!

Just kidding. Nice win guys.
Hard to put a finger on this season for SNC. That's the reason for lack of chatter from my end. It's not so much the U-Dumb-Dumb following, especially my gay friend Aaron Evans, who was caught with his mouth where his buddies money was.

This season is in no way over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DU HAST on September 18, 2005, 04:40:49 PM
Some things to point out

To all the people hating on Triner:
number of playoff wins for Triner 1 (plus the biggest int in SNC history in the redzone on a jump ball in the 4th quarter against simpson)

Purtill has been at SNC for 6 yrs and 3 games
1st three with monken 27-5 (0-3 in playoffs)
2nd three with Howard 29-4 (1-1 in playoffs)

Since howard left snc 1-2

Going into the 4th week of the season Lawrence (40 something guys) and SNC (100 +)have the same number of losses: 2

To the coaches at SNC who say that playing Lawrence in a night game would give Lawrence to much of an advantage WHO ARE YOU CRAPING. The only advantage that I can see for Lawrence is that they dont have to listen to the drunks on 4th street the night before the game.

As for monomuth and all the other mwc teams, someone beat snc big wup... NO ONE CARES
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 18, 2005, 05:15:29 PM
Duhast and your point is what with all the stats of Norbert with their Defensive Cordinators.  I just don't understand what you are trying to say.  Norbert lost fair and square it seems to Monmouth.  Good job Scots,  now lets see what you can do the rest of the season.  You still have a tough season ahead of you.  Lake Forest and Carroll to name a few, but don't overlook the rest of the teams. 

So now my question to everyone is that there seems to be a change in the air, is Monmouth now the team to beat in the Midwest Conference?  If not then who is?

Carroll had an impressive win over IC.  Are they going to be a competitor this year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on September 18, 2005, 06:42:45 PM
Du Hast, did you play at Lawrence? I can't tell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: John Arps on September 18, 2005, 09:24:57 PM
DUHAST

That is about the only good play Triner has made in four years.  Yeah it was a great play and it help SNC win a playoff game but one player doesn't win a playoff game.  It was the whole team that contributed and won.  His one good play has been destroyed by many other plays getting burnt for TDs. 

Just cause you've always been a purtill hater doesn't mean he's the reason for SNC's problems this year.  Its hard to play defense when you've had to weeks to learn a completely new defense and the players dont' trust the new defense.  All they do is play cover three and they still get burnt beep, pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen. 

Your stats and point are stupid and irrelevant.  You win as a team and lose as a team.  I'm pretty sure howard had nothing to do with any of the offensive calls in any of the playoffs games, and purtill had nothing to do with the defense while howard and monken were there.    If you want to attribute SNC's playoff win to howard that is fine, but then SNC should have been a national champ every year howard was there if one coach can give that much to a program.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2005, 10:36:30 PM
Three games is too small a sample to compare against three seasons. You could take the last three games of 2001 and make the same point.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 19, 2005, 09:34:25 AM
I have a hard time believing Monmouth goes undefeated this year.  They still have to play all their boys from the South yet.  It is hard to keep that momentum going after having one of the biggest wins of your program's history.  It has been almost 30 years since you guys won a title, and not saying you can't do it, but before everyone says they are champs, remember they still have 7 games to go.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on September 19, 2005, 09:49:04 AM
Great win for the Scotties on Sat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Fightin Scot Silk on September 19, 2005, 10:10:32 AM
GREAT DAY TO BE A SCOTT.

Great win Fellas. Who's next?

Silk WR 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2005, 12:31:48 PM
Congrats to the team and staff at Scot-land.  Let's take care of Beloit next week.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on September 19, 2005, 03:34:59 PM
Looks like MC has the inside track w/Tiebrekers etc. How good is LFC? @RC this week. Keep an eye on CC....@ LU this week.
BC 10 @MC 35+
CC 30 @ LU 20
IC 28 @ GC 10
KNOX 0 @ SNC 38
LFC @ RC toss up
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 19, 2005, 05:49:18 PM
Scots is spelled with one t!  once again way to go fighting scots.  way to fight back.  Dont be complacent, because there is still work to be done.  SNC should not be the highlight of the year.  Lets go boys!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2005, 11:24:23 PM
Go Hawks - Yeah there has been alot of chatter here on the board since Saturday regarding MC after the win up at SNC...but I still have yet to see a post where anyone is already proclaiming the Scots as the 2005 MWC champs.  Everyone is well aware of the history facts and that there are 7 remaining games, all of which will be tough.

Ballhawk, Papa, Silk - Nice to see you fellas here on the board with us other MC posters.  Hopefully catch some of you at one of the remaining home games.

Old Fighting Scot - Good job on that "Scots is spelled with one t!" :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 20, 2005, 01:11:03 PM
Nice article about the Monmouth/SNC game on the home page of this site.  Well, nice for the Scots at least. 

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on September 20, 2005, 04:55:20 PM
time for the knights to right the ship...need a BIG w this weekend...not just a W, but something to restore a little confidence 40 or 50+....

47...you've been quiet lately...good luck this weekend and congrats in advance!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on September 20, 2005, 06:35:59 PM
It looked to me that Carrol dominated IC in all areas of the game..... Carrol is no longer just another win on the schedule.....not that IC is a powerhouse

Ripon beat a terrible team in Larry....Double threat Foulds beat them by himself

Beloit handed an awful game to the Trees...or is the LFC defense just that good....I don't know........and is someone going to try and defend the trees only offensive threat in #2

A big win for the Scot's.....The biggest roadblock to 10-0 has been cleared at least mentally by going to DePue and winning
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on September 20, 2005, 06:57:11 PM

Wow...congrats to Lee Rankinen on running wild against what I had previously thought of as a tough D....LFC still won with the help of turnovers but to allow 246 yards on the ground.......


Also Player of the Week in the Nation...nice job
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 21, 2005, 09:53:09 AM
Lake Forest will have a good shot at beating Ripon this weekend, but only if their defense plays an awesome game.  That has been the only thing keeping LF in games.  Ripon put up over 400 yards rushing again last week and was stopped 3 times inside the 10.  Coles suprisingly decided to run the clock instead of trying to put another score on them with about 20 seconds left. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 21, 2005, 04:16:55 PM
I have to say the top of the Conference looks bizarre to me.  Lake Forrest, Monmouth and Carroll???  Not that the other teams are out of it, but I don't see the champ having more than 1 loss. 

Let's go RC.....LF at home!!! 

Quade is a stud!  Defensive MVP!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcsports on September 21, 2005, 04:28:57 PM
my first post, but I've read the board since '02...

So what's it gonna take for LFC to get respect from everybody? Granted LFC isn't a favorite for the championship until they beat Monmouth or Norbert, but how about 27-6 record since '02, losing only to Monmouth x2, St Norbert x2, Carroll (who played good teams tough in '03) and OK a crappy game to Knox? That mean anything to anyone?

CBS - even odds? How about 3-0 in last three years against Ripon.

#2 is only threat? Huebner's all the Foresters needed thus far, maybe if somebody actually defends the guy then Mahaney will look elsewhere. Plus RBs Washington, Furlong both averaging 5 yds/carry - just don't need to run when you can pass all over everybody.

Rankinen, hell of a game, over 200 yards, you deserve to be on nat'l team.
Title: Beloit
Post by: rome on September 21, 2005, 07:50:38 PM
Gentlemen of Beloit,

Men, you need to pull this together. Send Ed out right. They cannot stop that offense. Get nasty and mean and get a Homecoming Victory.

That is all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on September 21, 2005, 10:16:34 PM
Hello to all proud scot fans,
I just recently talked with ex-QB#8 and he filled me in on just how great the MC/SNC game was. It's games like that that make me miss playing for Steve Bell.  I saw that the MC D-line got some press for the victory performance, which is exactly how it should be. I bet Ole has got those fellas fired up about bucking the bucs. This week should be really interesting with the Scots visiting Beloit. De George has always been able to get the most out of his teams. On a similar note the Mitchell Mustangs are playing the Gulf High Buccaneers this week if we can manage to dodge a hurricane. Our offense needs to have a break out game to rebound from last weeks shut out.
Well good luck to all those Scoties out there.
Give 'em hell Nick Bush!!!
PMS the Rooster.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 21, 2005, 11:17:04 PM
FloridaScot - Just so you know, this week's game against Beloit is at Monmouth.  Should be a great day for a game here in Scot-land; right now it sounds like the weather here is going to cooperate for Saturday at least, but expecting some rain on the days around gameday.  Good luck staying out of the hurricane troubles down there and get those Mitchell boys back on track this week!  PMS!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 22, 2005, 09:31:49 AM
http://www.beloit.edu/~sportcnt/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2005, 01:01:26 PM
They should've also thanked the conference office for nominating him. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on September 22, 2005, 08:30:32 PM
Good Luck Brent Becker and our Foresters this Saturday!!!!!!!!!
Though we can't be there in body, we'll be there in spirit.  One game at a time.  Don't look past this one!  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2005, 12:39:50 PM
That Keith McMillan can sure tell it like it is...

Week 4 quick hits
-> Eye-opener of the week: Monmouth surging to the front of the Midwest Conference pack. After a 9-1, no-playoff 2004, the Scots don't appear to be leaving the postseason to chance this time around.

Good luck against the Bucs!

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   ;D
Title: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on September 23, 2005, 12:42:06 PM
I smell a big win this weekend against the Bucs for the Scots.  I know ole got something with making the Bucs black and blue this week.  Can always count on Ole.  Good luck Scots and bring the win back home.  Rooster, help me out.  What is the name of the bowl we are going to win next week and is it still sponsered by Fazoli's.  See you guys later.  PAPA
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 23, 2005, 12:45:53 PM
Go Scots, Buck the Bucs!  you guys need to be 4-0 going into Lake Forest to make the trip worthwhile for Smoov.  As far as the newfound national accolades, "If you dominate, they will come!"

Fighting Scots Football in '05
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on September 23, 2005, 01:11:24 PM
Yes LFC 3-0 since '02...but weren't all of those game decided in the last minute?

'02--> craziest ending I've ever heard of..
'03--> LFC gets long score to get up 10 and W by 3..
'04--> last year a shoot out.....W by 3

You're right ...not even odds RC by 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on September 23, 2005, 02:34:13 PM
It seems SNC has dominated this conference for so long that the rest of the schools are not sure how to react now that they lost.It looks like there are still 4 or 5 teams that think they can win at least a share of the conference crown.This has to be good for everyone and help the eventual con. champ have a better showing in the playoffs.Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcsports on September 23, 2005, 03:32:01 PM
CBS I guess we'll just wait and see tomorrow, huh...explain how three LFC wins changes the odds towards Ripon by a TD???

Yeah 275 pass yards for Faulds that's not bad...oh wait that's for the season.

The Forester D-line is young but the LB corps is the best it's been since Urlacher and Pickering, should be interesting...

I'm sure they'll put up 250-300 rush yards again and yeah, it'll be a close game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcsports on September 23, 2005, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: LFCdad on September 23, 2005, 02:34:13 PM
This has to be good for everyone and help the eventual con. champ have a better showing in the playoffs.Any thoughts?

It's good to see that SNC is mortal after all, but it doesn't really change anything for anyone. This conference has been a single-elimination tournament since '98 thanks to the Green Knights' dominance, and until somebody beats Monmouth it'll still be such.

As far as the playoffs go, not really sure if they'll be better prepared. When it gets to a point where SNC, LFC, Ripon, Carroll, IC, Monmouth all are beating up on e/o and the conf. champ is 7-2, then I think that'll be true, but Monmouth beating SNC is trading apples for oranges at this point.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on September 23, 2005, 03:43:37 PM
good point...as much as it pains me to say it, the conference's best bet is for the scots to go undefeated and make a good showing in the playoffs...that wil also indicate whether thye have taken a step up or the knights a step down. in monmouth plays well in the playoffs, i'd say there are 2 programs in the league worthy of some attention as opposed to 1...no offense to the rest of the league, but it has been a 1 horse race for a while and although the playoff results were not favorable, a multiple loss conference champ getting blown out in the first round is not going to help anything...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on September 23, 2005, 04:46:31 PM
I still think it's better for every team in the conference if we have 3 or 4 good teams as opposed to the one dominant team we've had the last (? ) years.You have to play against quality teams to get better.Unless SNC is down this year and everyone else is still mediocre it's all smoke and mirrors anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 23, 2005, 08:40:55 PM
     I don't think there's any doubt that the Knights are having an off year.  Along with the defense trying to get used to a new system, the offense is trying to get going with a new qb.  Craig seems capable of doing the job but still has a ways to go.  In the first three games he's been sacked 11 times and has thrown 5 picks.  Unlike Hartman he can run and I think he needs to use that ability more.  He'll get better with time but unfortunately next year he won't have George or McConville to throw to and Meehan will be gone too.  I can see the defense only getting better.  They'll lose only a couple of starters to graduation.
     If Monmoth could go undefeated they might get a home playoff game which would be good for them.  Personally I'd like to see someone trip them up so SNC could have a shot at sharing the conference championship.
 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcsports on September 24, 2005, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: lfcsports on September 23, 2005, 03:32:01 PM
I'm sure they'll put up 250-300 rush yards again and yeah, it'll be a close game.

ok good call CBS Ripon by 7...

\eats words\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 24, 2005, 08:26:26 PM
So there were a couple upsets this week around the league.  LFC to Ripon and Carroll to Lawerence (Who would of thought that).  Norbert back to their dominant selfs against Knox.  Monmouth seemed to have a great day in the first half scoring everytime they touched the ball.  But seemed to call the dogs off in the second half.  Well looks like everyone is beating up on each other in the conference.  Does anyone think Monmouth will get some votes for the top 25 this week?
What does everyone think about the Scots now; are they the dominant team this year in the conference?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DU HAST on September 24, 2005, 09:02:03 PM
The end of week 4 and Lawrence 45 players listed on the roster and SNC 114 players on their roster have the same number of loses.

Don't start crying again Meech I am just stating the facts

Monmouth recieve top 25 votes; they haven't beaten anybody. Don't say SNC because SNC is no where near where we were the last time we were ranked in 2003 and anybody who thinks so stop drinking the river water. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on September 24, 2005, 11:40:05 PM
Quote from: DU HAST on September 24, 2005, 09:02:03 PM
The end of week 4 and Lawrence 45 players listed on the roster and SNC 114 players on their roster have the same number of loses.

But they are each only allowed 11 on the field at a time last time I checked.

Trying to teach 45 guys a new system or a system in general is a lot easier than doing the same for 114.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on September 25, 2005, 05:26:16 AM
Jim, we ... you don't have that right anymore. You had four years to make your mark at SNC ... What did you contribute? 2003, great job. Give these kids now some credit.
**** Larry, and their coaching staff. You side with them. We don't need you. Until you and your boy do something great like we, not you, did at SNC, piss on you. We don't need you.
Thanks for your opinion though. It matters to your new team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on September 25, 2005, 01:47:12 PM
Surprise surprise congrats LU.Heard it was a great game.
How'd they lose to KNOX?

IC's puttin' up the points...should be interesting w/ the league's longest trip this week...SNC @ IC

RC goes to CC....always a close one there....

LU gets 0-3;0-4 @ BC

And MC gets MAYBE it's last challenge w/ LFC @LFC

Where are KNOX & GC or does anyone care?

Heard RC had a TD called back late 2nd QTR which would have tied it at 1/2 14 all....RC D got tough in 2nd 1/2 and shut down LFC......rumor has it LFC fans were talking about MC.....sounds like the players were thinking ahead also...regardless if LFC can pull this off....should be an interesting finish....

CBS out
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: John Arps on September 25, 2005, 08:47:31 PM
Greg,

Completely agree with your post.   Jim, WE, don't need you anymore.  Stay at Larry and keep being around the bottom of the conference.  Guys at SNC, keep at it, you still have a shot to be conference champs.  Anything can happen on a saturday, LU blocks a Carroll kick, come one, and Ripon beats LFC.  Anyone can still knock off Monmouth.    Jim, just keep being that no talent *** clown who rode the coattails of other supposed All-American. Jim, as far as 2003 in concerned, we had a good team.  The 2004 team could have probably beat the 2003 team and had LaCrosse on the ropes but the tires fell off.  The 04 team was ranked just as long as the 03 team.  Also, you and your all-american make a great couple.  Hope SNC hangs 70 on LU in two weeks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 25, 2005, 10:31:41 PM
John Arps sounds like an excuse to me about last year's team.  I think that they just couldn't get the job done when it came to playing the big teams.  Hopefully we can get a good representative this year in the playoffs, that no one has to make excuses for.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: big senor td on September 26, 2005, 04:38:33 AM
are you kidding me with these posts....

st. norbert is down...but still very good


monomouth as much as it pains me to say it is very tough... the tanney to haffner connection seems to be pretty good

lfc where are your play calls coming from

ic how did you get beat by carrol

ripon how did you beat lfc

carrol how did you lose to lawrence and beat ic...terds

beloit great option qb and fullback will anyone else play some football...

grinnell keep riding phalzer...he might be your only player...he is your only player

lawrence good job winning a game

knox you beat lawrence i hope you enjoy your only win
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 26, 2005, 10:19:03 AM
"Monmouth seemed to have a great day in the first half scoring everytime they touched the ball.  But seemed to call the dogs off in the second half."  Jester 76

Yeah, I'd say Monmouth called off the dogs.  Other than the comeback win vs. SNC, here are the scores for the Scots' three games after the third quarter:
37-6 vs. Concordia
48-12 vs. Ripon
56-14 vs. Beloit

Hopefully, calling off the dogs doesn't hurt in DIII like it does in the BCS Poll where the "quality of the win" is judged in part by margin of victory. 

On to Lake Forest... 

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"  >:(
 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on September 26, 2005, 12:11:23 PM
Scottie,

Great point, the SNC game is the only one where the MC starters have played late in the game.  I think the three headed monster of bell, braun and ragone are doing a very classy job in dominating without embarrasing.  For those of you who still dont want to respect what MC has done so far, go ask the BC, RC and Concordia coaching staffs how greatful they are that MC didnt drop 70 or 80 on them. 

As far as tanney to haffner goes, it might be the closest thing to montana to rice that illinois has ever seen.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on September 26, 2005, 12:13:46 PM
Well, good win by the scots this past weekend.  They have an offense unlike any other.  I know that Tanney is a good player, but lets not remember who is calling the game as well.  Coach Bell is a brilliant offensive mind and he finally has all the tools to work with.  

I have my ax in hand and am ready to go cutting some trees.  I will be there to watch Monmouth get a win versus a tough Lake Forerst team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 26, 2005, 12:23:44 PM
Pat Coleman what does Monmouth have to do to get some respect in the polls?  I know they don't matter when it comes to playing on Saturday, but if Norbert were in the position that Monmouth is right now in Conference play, because no matter what they were going to lose to Whitewater.  Sorry Norbert fans.  I mean look at the stats they have constantly dominated their opponents.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 26, 2005, 12:39:14 PM
Let's calm down Monmouth fans.   ;D  I'm sure the powers that be will begin to notice the Scots as the weeks go by and one of the nation's longest winning streaks (hopefully) continues to increase.  We did get a nice feature on this website last week, afterall.

With that said, I'm more than a little surprised that perennial CCIW punching bag North Park even has 16 votes in the week four poll, while the MWC is currently staring at a goose egg. 

Have fun at LFC Papa, and sharpen the axe.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 26, 2005, 12:43:25 PM
How did Ripon beat LFC you ask?  The box scores spells it out, time of posession and running 84 offensive plays.  Scoring inside the 20 and playing sound defense.  Letting Faulds pass and run for as much as he did was the killer.  I am glad to see Coach Ernst call a great game in second half and make some adjustments, the d is looking much better. 

Monmouth, you guys like pretty good.  Wait a few weeks until you are 7-0 and you will get moved up in the top 25.  I hope you don't have a let down, because the way you guys are looking this could be a great a season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on September 26, 2005, 02:56:39 PM
Jim,
I owe you an apology. I'm sorry for the harsh comments I directed toward you the other night. I was drinking and posting, and said some things I did not mean.
I am sorry.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 26, 2005, 04:15:59 PM
     In 2003 SNC didn't break into the top 25 until week 7.  They were pretty good that year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 05:46:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 26, 2005, 12:39:14 PM
With that said, I'm more than a little surprised that perennial CCIW punching bag North Park even has 16 votes in the week four poll, while the MWC is currently staring at a goose egg. 

Scottie,

That is North Central, not North Park.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: War Pig on September 26, 2005, 06:21:43 PM
The MWC won't get respect in the polls until they do something in the playoffs, or beat a good team from a rival conference.  The same thing holds true for any other school in any division.  I'm not saying that Monmouth couldn't get a playoff win this year, but the fact that they are a newcomer as far as success goes doesn't get them a lot of respect either.  Hell, a lot of people that vote on stuff probably think their located in Monmouth, New Jersey.  Also, beating weak sisters like Ripon and Beloit won't score you any points either.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 06:25:08 PM
I beg to differ. Our voters know where Monmouth is. They just don't have it on their ballot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DU HAST on September 26, 2005, 08:31:43 PM
Is everybody on their period. I simply mention that SNC has a lot of work to do to get back to where the point when the school was last recognized nationally and give some props a rebuilding program (where i have a lot of friends) and everybody flips out on me. IT IS ONLY D3 FOOTBALL. LIGHTEN UP THEIR ARE BIGGER THINGS IN THE WORLD. I have never cheered against SNC (and i won't when they play lawrence). And if you have no loyalty to Howard or any of the assistants who left, well it show how clueless and how much practice you guys skipped. They were the difference for us that 2003 season. And to all the SNC idiots who worship everything Purtill says stop criticzing me for being critical of the coaches when you let other people slide for ripping on the snc players. There have been many times when i have read alumns on this board tear into snc players heart and effort and in my opinion the seniors and jrs on norberts worked with more effort and intenisty than any of you so SHUT UP.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 26, 2005, 09:17:12 PM
Well still I don't understand why everyone looks down on MWC.  The conference seems to be very strong this year.  I mean they are beating up each other pretty good teams that should beat others are doing the unthinkable.  And yeah on the fact of palying stronger out of conference games why play a middle road CCIW team if they are going to totally destroy one of your weaker teams in the conference.  And I think one school did. That is right Carroll did and they keep it close to Carthage the whole game.  But yet everyone instead of judging them as weak says they had an off week. I call BS.  The MWC is stronger than anyone gives them credit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 09:33:27 PM
You prove nothing as a league playing Macalester, CUW and Blackburn. Congrats on being better than two of the worst teams in college football. And to Monmouth, congrats on being better than the third- or fourth-best team in the No. 24 conference in Division III.

That doesn't get you into the Top 25. You do realize there are 231 Division III teams, right? It's a lot harder to get into our Top 25 than it is for one of the 119 Division I-A teams to get into the Top 25.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on September 26, 2005, 10:44:50 PM
Hello proud Scots fans,
Let it be known that I agree that MC needs some deserved recognition but, as Ragone would say "control what you can control." The boys from MC will keep on keeping on and the votes will come.
Now with that said, PAPA I believe the bowl game you are refering to is the little known but highly sought after Fazolis.com Bog Bowl. This contest dates back nearly as long as the Turkey bowl and recently has had greater conferences ramifications. The trophy had been hand crafted by skilled artisans with percision crystal cutting tools, and might I add quite a sight to see. PAPA have a great time at the game and give OLE a bark for me. This week I will have my hands full trying to right the ship that is Mitchell H.S. football after suffering a last second lost to the Gulf H.S. Buccaneers (final score 29-28). Good luck in the BOG Scoties.
Aint it great to be a scot! PMS
The Rooster
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 26, 2005, 11:01:56 PM
I think DU HAST just might be right--everyone seems to be on their period and/or just plain moody right now.  Alot of things being thrown back and forth recently, and it's only Monday...there's still alot of the week left, we all need to pace ourselves!

Anyhow, the good old Fazolis.com Bog Bowl.  Papa, I'm planning on being there also with a few other Fighting Scot alumni and will be sure to keep an eye open for you.

Like Florida Scot said: Control what you can control, win the games that are on your schedule, and the recognition of being mentioned in the D3football.com Top 25 Poll will come in its own time. 

Also, Monmouth fans who are calling for the recognition--don't forget that the Scots were receiving votes in last week's AFCA Top 25 Poll and could move up a little in this week's poll that will be released tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 11:14:55 PM
Yes, and if we expanded our voter pool to 40 people you might get votes in our poll too. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on September 27, 2005, 12:14:46 AM
There is no way that a team from this conf. should get any recognition besides maybe a few votes, and that team should be greatful.  No team is deserving of a top 25 ranking because they can't hold a candle to any of the top teams in this area.  If you look at teams in the CCIW they compete nationally every year and actually win playoff games.  Teams in the WIAC also play at another level compared to this conf.  Look at WW for the second year in a row just embarrasing SNC and this conf. as a whole. 

Until Monmouth goes undefeated and wins their first round game and actually plays somebody then there is no reason for recognition.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: dw71911 on September 27, 2005, 07:42:28 AM
You can't take away from what MC offense has done. But why is nobody talking MC first team defense? Other than SNC I believe there has been six points scored against them in the first half while the first team is still in there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 27, 2005, 08:59:02 AM
Sorry I'm so late but........CONGRATS RIPON on an impressive win over Lake Forest.  When not many gave them credit they come out and shut them out in the second half and score 3 times.  Must have been an exciting half of football.....wish I could have seen it.

Quade for Defensive MVP!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 27, 2005, 11:32:00 AM
Pat: Thanks for correcting me on the North Park/North Central issue.  What was I thinking?

And to the rest of the Scots' fans watching the polls:  Mr. Coleman (if you please) will let us know when he's good and ready to start sending some love in Monmouth's direction.  If it helps, Pat, we'd be happy to send you a fruit cake with some haggus on the side.   ;D

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(  (my new game face)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2005, 12:29:58 PM
Just checked that "other" poll (AFCA Top 25) that according to Pat C. has too many voters and saw that Monmouth is the first team listed in the receiving votes category this week.  The Scots could possibly break into that Top 25 next week if business is taken care of on Saturday at Lake Forest...and, who knows, might even be lucky enough grab a vote or two next week in the almighty Top 25 poll here on D3football.com.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on September 27, 2005, 01:07:06 PM
"There is no way that a team from this conf. should get any recognition besides maybe a few votes, and that team should be greatful.  No team is deserving of a top 25 ranking because they can't hold a candle to any of the top teams in this area.  "

Interesting.  So, using your logic (?), there is no way a WIAC team should get a top 10 ranking until their champion proves they can keep it closer than 38 points in a playoff game against Linfield?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2005, 01:23:23 PM
Dolph,

The list of teams that stayed within sight of Linfield is pretty short. That's an awful high standard. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on September 27, 2005, 01:47:20 PM
"The list of teams that stayed within sight of Linfield is pretty short. That's an awful high standard."

Agreed.  Just trying to illustrate the absurdity of the logic.  Last year, Whitewater did take it to St Norberts.  However, Norberts went to LaCrosse for the playoffs (a team that beat WW 35-10) and held a 23-10 lead entering the fourth quarter.  This hardly can be used as an example of not being able to compete with the top teams in the area.

Monmouth has yet to face the "best" in the Midwest but if and when they do, their accomplishments should stand on their own.  To use WW's games against SNC to claim that Monmouth is undeserving allows me to claim that no team in the WIAC is closer than five touchdowns to the defending national champ and therefore unworthy of a top 10 ranking.

Perhaps Monmouth will prove to be unworthy when the playoffs come.  However, St Norberts performance in the past two playoffs (vitory over Simpson, loss to NC St Johns in 03 and the Lacrosse game last season) would certainly seem to indicate that the MWC champs can be competive with very good programs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2005, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: Dolph Stanley on September 27, 2005, 01:47:20 PM
"The list of teams that stayed within sight of Linfield is pretty short. That's an awful high standard."

Agreed.  Just trying to illustrate the absurdity of the logic.  Last year, Whitewater did take it to St Norberts.  However, Norberts went to LaCrosse for the playoffs (a team that beat WW 35-10) and held a 23-10 lead entering the fourth quarter.  This hardly can be used as an example of not being able to compete with the top teams in the area.

Monmouth has yet to face the "best" in the Midwest but if and when they do, their accomplishments should stand on their own.  To use WW's games against SNC to claim that Monmouth is undeserving allows me to claim that no team in the WIAC is closer than five touchdowns to the defending national champ and therefore unworthy of a top 10 ranking.

Perhaps Monmouth will prove to be unworthy when the playoffs come.  However, St Norberts performance in the past two playoffs (vitory over Simpson, loss to NC St Johns in 03 and the Lacrosse game last season) would certainly seem to indicate that the MWC champs can be competive with very good programs.

If there was an icon that showed a pair of hands clapping, I'd put it in right here.  I applaud you and your very good points in that last post Dolph Stanley.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 28, 2005, 11:14:02 AM
Ripon/UWO:
http://www.wisinfo.com/northwestern/sports/stories/sports_22780495.shtml
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 28, 2005, 11:41:14 AM
I think that was a great move by Ripon to add UWO on the schedule.  This will easly give them a taste of what it will take to be #1 in the conference and get them ready to play in the play offs.   Early how ya doing?  1st post, long time reader.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on September 28, 2005, 04:07:22 PM
The early line:

Ripon  -  (-7)
Nubs  -   (-13.5)
Monmouth - (15.5)
Beloit  -   (-2)
Macalester - (even)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 28, 2005, 06:28:40 PM
That is pretty exciting that RC and UWO are gonna face off the next 4 years!!!  Maybe that will even get the bball programs hooping a little too. (my own little pipe dream)

Hawk Sighting, I'm doing well.   What about you?  1st post.....welcome to the dark side.....ha ha ha (evil laugh)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on September 28, 2005, 08:30:01 PM
LFC HOMECOMING 2005
Hey, #57 of the 2002 LFC team, you gonna be at Homecoming on October 8?  Haven't gotten any of those late Friday night calls lately.  Hope everything is okay.  Sorry you missed the big graduation party, but hope you and Bernsy can make it to homecoming.  Come out and help cheer on our Foresters.  #56 will be there with bells on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on September 29, 2005, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: big senor td on September 26, 2005, 04:38:33 AM
are you kidding me with these posts....

st. norbert is down...but still very good


monomouth as much as it pains me to say it is very tough... the tanney to haffner connection seems to be pretty good

lfc where are your play calls coming from

ic how did you get beat by carrol

ripon how did you beat lfc

carrol how did you lose to lawrence and beat ic...terds

beloit great option qb and fullback will anyone else play some football...

grinnell keep riding phalzer...he might be your only player...he is your only player

lawrence good job winning a game

knox you beat lawrence i hope you enjoy your only win
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on September 29, 2005, 03:00:59 PM
Just say what you want to say - You hate JP3 and Howard should have been the head man all along.
Don't dance so much.
Remember, some thought Monken was at the same level as Howard, which is not true.
Also, I don't care who you root for, but why should I feel bad for defending my friends in De Pere at the school I played for and graduated from? You are ruffling more feathers than I. These guys read some jibber on here from guys they thought were always alongside them, and don't know what to think.
Again, sorry for the harsh, uncalled for comments earlier. I do see some of your point. But, if I still played there, I, just like the 8 or 10 I saw last weekend, would scratch my head. IN the words of an unnamed source, what did JP# ever do to you?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on September 29, 2005, 04:32:03 PM
I know Monmouth can throw but that does seem to be the strongest  part of LFC game (pass D).LFC has had trouble stopping the run,will MC run or will they still try to air it out? Any thoughts from Scots fans?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 29, 2005, 06:41:50 PM
     Against the Knights, it was Monmoth's passing game that won it for them.  Haffner was their main receiver and it seems to me if they could have shut him down in the 2nd half like they did in the 1st they could have won.  They have a fast running back who did well in the 1st half but was quieted by the SND in the 2nd half.  You'll know the who the running back is because there will be an annoying guy in the stands shouting "It's Dante time!" and "4.2 speed coming 'round the corner!" incessantly.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 29, 2005, 07:47:29 PM
Is there any predictions out there yet for this weekend?  I believe Ripon will come out a head at Carroll.  They have had a rough time at Carroll, but they have been improving all season, so look out Carroll it might be a crushing by the hawks.  Look for the D holding carroll to no more than 14 and the O putting atleast 28 on the scoreboard. 
Title: SNC hostility
Post by: Old_Style on September 30, 2005, 12:15:16 PM
Pawlik....what's with all of the hostility? calm down. you should not get so worked up about the wayward opinion of ONE guy. i am not going to lie. it will be awkward next week in A-town to see half of the former SNC staff on the LU sideline but I do agree with you and have argued in the past that despite this occurance, all loyalties should remain to SNC. this is not a roman legion. loyalties should be to the alma mater, not to a coach. do i wish the former SNC staff well, of course, but next saturday i will be wearing the green and gold. bill, stop causing trouble. anyone traveling to IC? i got a roadie planned with the old man for all that want a ride. if anything, see you in A-town!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on September 30, 2005, 02:02:50 PM
OS, you said it better than I. I think that's what I wanted to say all along, but couldn't see past the initial junk.
I am officially retiring this subject until Monday.

Bill, aka Jim, are you riding up with Steerman?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2005, 02:31:07 PM
LFCdad - My best prediction (and I certainly hope I'm right) is that you will see a very balanced MC attack.  Their offensive numbers, both in the air and on the ground, have ranged from very solid to explosive.  So, the LFC defense should be put to the test. 

If I was a LFC fan, however, I would be just as concerned with their offense against the Scots' defense - and I'm talking not about their 4th quarter defense.  LFC hasn't been exactly lighting up the scoreboard this season, in my opinion (20.3 ppg vs. MC's 43 ppg). 

Another little nugget as we head into the middle of the season...  During this 3-game stretch last season (vs. LFC, Grinnell and Lawrence), Monmouth won all three by a combined score of 98-0.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on September 30, 2005, 05:08:37 PM
Thanks Scottie thats what I was affarid of, a balanced attack.Lfc can hold thier own against the pass but has strugled to stop the run. I don't know what to think of the offence.One series they run the ball great then they think they have to mix it up and try to throw.The D is on the field way to long.If LFC can't get a more balenced attact its going to be a long day.Papa smurf thanks for the heads up on the annoying guy with Dante time.I'll try to sit in the end zone.Good Luck to all the players and lets hope they all stay healthy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 30, 2005, 06:46:28 PM
     I still think Monmoth's strength is the passing game.  If the LFD keeps pressure on Tanney, not letting him find Haffner all the time, they might be able to keep them from scoring more than 2 or 3 td's.  When I saw him play he was least effective when he was forced out of the pocket.  Be that as it may, they'll probably score a lot an don't think the LF offense will be able to do the same against Monmoth's d.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ccfan69 on October 01, 2005, 09:19:13 AM
Its Carroll Homecoming.  They are going to be pumped.  Look for a Carroll Win today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on October 01, 2005, 11:04:11 PM
Congrats to a very good Monmoth team.They have a well balanced attack on O and big ,fast,very strong D. Nice job by thier fans also. Great turnout for a road game.Good luck the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2005, 09:16:55 AM
Thanks for the compliments LFCdad.  It's good to hear that both the Monmouth players and fans did a good job.

I'm not sure what to say about the game.  Two interceptions for touchdowns, a runner for 129 yards, and a 21-27 passer.  It must have been their day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 03, 2005, 10:55:07 AM
Hey Hawk fans out there.....was anyone at the Carroll game?  Just wondering about the game cause the stats don't always tell the story.  I realize that the offense isn't really geared towards putting up a lot of points all at once.....it's more like Coach Boone in "Remember the Titans"....."It's like novicane...give it time it always works."  So that doesn't help when you get behind by a lot the way the Redhawks did. 

Hawk Sighting....Homecoming this weekend?  You gonna be there?  I will be.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 03, 2005, 11:23:06 AM
Way to go bucs in getting the HC win over LU!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 03, 2005, 12:36:58 PM
I went to Monmouth-Lake Forest game and I was truly disappointed.  I am big Monmouth fan and I am happy that they won, but a shutout against LFC at their home field.
Monmouth is a good squad, but what the heck is happening at LFC.  They had the ball inside their 40 twice in the second half and...PUNTED the ball.  Not to mention the poor clock management at the end of the first half.  I guess the Lake Forest coaches are just happy playing football.  Something is wrong with the players and coaching staff at LFC.  They seem that they are content to just stay in the game.  LFC was a great program and still is, but what happened in the game on Saturday.  I havent watched LFC play all year, so maybe this is an ongoing thing.  I want the MWC to be competitive and would like to see a team come to play.  Any team can beat any body on any given day.  Lets have at it the last half of the season and bring the noise.  Go Scotties, Beat the Pioneers this weeekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on October 03, 2005, 01:38:09 PM
Can anyone beat MC?
Oct 8 @ GC...nope
Oct 15th host LU...nope
Oct 22 host IC....???
Oct 29 @ CC...???
Nov 5 @ KNOX Bronze Turkey..nope

Oct 8 games
BC @ CC
KNOX @ LFC
IC @ RC
SNC @ LU
MC @ GC
thoughts?? 
Congrats BC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 03, 2005, 02:41:09 PM
Hi, kinda new to the D3 board as far as writing goes. Early how do the stats for Ripon game not show you anything? Carroll completely waxed them up and down the field in all three phases of the game!

As far as anyone beating Monmouth we'll see, they are a pretty talented team, I agree with CBS Carroll or IC have the only shot left at beating them. IC has a load of talent at their skill positions that could give Monmouth some problems and Carroll is starting to get a "home-field" advantage and will play monmouth tough.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 03, 2005, 03:01:53 PM
Hello Scotland Fans,

just got back from my midwestern trip.  very glad i got to see a very dominant Fighting Scot Club.

Can anyone say statement!  the MC staff (prolly tired of the rookies getting lit up in the 4th, and having ppl think we have no D) very classily (word?) and strategically let the boys play (mainly the d) a little bit longer so as to preserve the shutout. 

Not only did the offense come to play (third quarter tanney to haffner was amazing) but the defense just looked freakishly better.  LFC had no where to run, the qb had no time (nor any open receivers) to pass, and the MC defense seemed to be playing with a (dare i say it) championship swagger.  Yes the O is great but the D seemed to be HITTING on all cylinders.

LFC played hard the whole game (especially #10 on D, even though the stats against him wont show it) but they were just brutally overmatched.  These arent your older brothers fighting scots (id say mothers but we were actually good in the late 70's) these boys are for real.

Great Job and keep it up.

And as for IC or Carroll giving the Scotties a game, just look at the stats from last year (the ic game was the blueboys homecoming, ugly).  NC baby, no contest!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2005, 04:22:51 PM
A quick toast to the Scots for cracking the shell which is the Pat Coleman Mafia  ;D a few weeks earlier than predicted.  Yes, it's only one vote for the top 25....but it's a start.  Go Scots!

"Monmouth Football in 2005!" [/color]   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on October 03, 2005, 05:40:14 PM
It"s nice to see some chatter on this site. I am in total agreement with you papa90 that we need to be competitive as a conference if we are going to get any respect.As for sat. game against MC what can I say everything went right for them.They have the best D we have faced so far and their QB looked very good.LFC will be OK they are young and so is their staff. Once they figure out how to run the ball and mix it up a little better everything will be fine. Looking at the games so far in the conference it seems there is no sure thing.It might be  to early to judge SNC,but it looks like everyone else is having trouble putting together two or three good games in a row.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 04, 2005, 09:00:40 AM
1morefan,
What I was saying was the stats don't ALWAYS tell the story.....and was just asking for some input on the subject.  The score also tells the story sometimes too....and the stats and score appear that Carroll wooped up on Ripon.
I just was curious if anything else played a factor....injuries, turnovers, penalties, etc.  Cause some of RC usually dominant players didn't have the stats they usually do.

Fight it off Hawks!!  Get ready for Homecoming vs. IC. 

:o Holla! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 04, 2005, 01:16:42 PM
Early,

Carroll jumped all over them right away, INT for TD, blocked punt for a safety and TD. Now from my understanding Jahns the running back was hurt last week and didn't play and was seen at the game on crutches, him being hurt obviously hurt RC.

On the subject of conference getting respect we have to start having teams show more in the post-season. SNC had UWL beat from what I heard and didn't put them away, if we want the respect around the nation things like that cannot happen!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 04, 2005, 05:32:47 PM
The carroll game?!  What can I say, from the sound of it I dont think anyone showed up for the game.  I can just imagine the thought process before the game, "they lost to LU, they can not be that good".  Well Carroll came out and was ready to play.  It's something that is sad that it had to happen but the season isnt over.  Congrats to Carroll, were they the better team? Sat, yes  they were, over all i am not sure.  I wish the Hawks the best of luck this weekend.  I also know that we always have a tough time at Carroll expesially during their homecoming, not trying to give an excuse, because Carroll you deserved to get the W sat!!   

Early i am sorry but i will be missing the Homecoming game, i will be in Nebraska for work.  Let me know how it goes, and have a couple for me that night! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ripon Redmen 78 on October 04, 2005, 09:26:41 PM
The problem with SNC is the Jason Housh factor is gone, remember he either played on all of their championship teams or played along side and tutored all  of the major contributors to their championship run. What a brilliant move it was when Jason suggested the coaches move him from FB to the DL and Jeremiah Janssen from DB to LB, this spurred the championship run. I'm sure if you ask Jeremiah Janssen, he will tell you the reason he is not in the NFL today is Housh was not in the Jets camp. Bring him back and return to GLORY! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 04, 2005, 11:45:57 PM
"On the subject of conference getting respect we have to start having teams show more in the post-season. SNC had UWL beat from what I heard and didn't put them away, if we want the respect around the nation things like that cannot happen!"

I can't speak for anyone else but I have little desire to see teams in the MWC aspire to being able to compete at the highest levels of D3 football.  If it happens great, but I repsect the conference as a whole for continuing to recruit students who also want to play football. To expect the average MWC school with somewhere between 1000-1250 students (in most cases less than half men)  admission standards that range form selective to highly selective and tuition room and board in the $25,000-$35,000 range to compete on a consistent basis with schools from the WIAC is simply not realistic.

Winning the conference is a great accomplishment.  Winning a first round game as SNC did two years ago is wonderful.  Competing to the final whistle with a national champion Saint Johns team and a very good UWLC as Norberts has done the past two seasons also solid accomplishments. 

I will be cheering for whoever wins the conference this year to go deep in to the tournament.  However, the conference as it is made up right now will never be a football power and should that become a point of emphasis I think you would see several of the most prestigious and long term members look to play elsewhere.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 05, 2005, 09:31:43 AM

The Early Line-


Carroll -10.5

Monmouth -23

Ripon -13

Lake Forest -11

SNC -6.5
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 05, 2005, 09:48:46 AM
Many interesting games around the MWC this week.  Far and away the best team is Monmouth and they continue to show it this week destroying Grinnell.  MC has the best O and D in the conf.  I can't wait to see what happens in the Nubs vs. Larry this week.  Meehan has just started to pick up his scoring and I think they need to get George the ball more.  LC has been in close games all year so who knows what can happen.  I think Ripon should handle the Blue Boys at home during homecoming? but an upset isn't out of question either.  LFC should batter Knox for the second year in a row, but the only thing getting battered lately for the Foresters is their offense by opposing teams.  Good luck to all teams this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Longtooth on October 05, 2005, 03:31:12 PM
I just saw that the job at Beloit is going to open up, does anyone know what happened here?  What is the job like, I would assume that they can be good just based on location.  Any info????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2005, 08:21:23 PM
Coach DeGeorge has simply decided to call it quits after 29 years as Head Coach and A.D. I don't think "anything happened there" to force him out.

As far as Beloits ability to be competetive because of their location, mmmmmmm, I have to agree with Dolph. Football isn't that big a deal in the conference and it's not cheap to attend any of the schools.

More often than not the MWC entrant in the NCAA field will face a National Power in the first round, because of their location, so advancing to the second round is never likely to happen. I'm not holding my breath to see a MWC team in the Stagg Bowl any time soon as it would require major upsets throughout the bracket.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 05, 2005, 10:10:51 PM
     It looks like an old, cold rivalry may heat up this weekend in Appleton.  I'd put the over/under at ten(personal fouls not points). ;)
Title: SNC vs. LU
Post by: meachscribe on October 06, 2005, 11:12:18 AM
They say it can't be a rivalry when it's one sided. (Lately that is). Don't have time to look up the history, but I'm sure someone is aware of it. Please advise.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on October 06, 2005, 03:49:05 PM
SNC-LU shold be a good one. Lots of story lines there. Many a close game between the two so I'd call it a rivalry. History has to favor SNC slightly. I know they played a night TV game a few yrs back. Is this one @130 or later? I still like SNC,but not by >8. GO RC -7;CC -5; LFC -10 ; MC -28.

Play well all
Be safe
out
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 07, 2005, 09:29:04 AM
Let's go Beloit...bring the traveling trophey back in DeGeorge's final game v. the pios!!!!!!
We are Beloit!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Longtooth on October 07, 2005, 10:17:10 AM
Who are some of the names for the job at Beloit, are they going to go young or old?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2005, 11:11:37 AM
Good luck to the Scots this weekend.  Hope they take care of business.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 07, 2005, 11:40:52 AM
There will be a Nation-wide search conducted following the season.
They have some great options if they decide to stay in-staff. The success of the program's future will soley depend on how the college allows the new staff to recruit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Longtooth on October 07, 2005, 12:14:20 PM
Rome-
   Does the school not allow them to recruit off campus?  How about the league?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 07, 2005, 12:39:22 PM
Longtooth,
The MWC does not allow off campus recruiting.  This is one of the main reasons why the MWC is not a premiere league.  If a coach wants to get a player from a big time program in the state.  The WIAC or the CCIW will send there coaches or players their to recruit.  The MWC sends them a postcard.  I know what school I would go to if a coach showed up and asked me to go to their school. We lose high quality players every year, not because of the money issue, though that may drive some away, but the face to face contact that the players want and need.  Hopefully the MWC will get something straight in the years to come.  On the other hand, Scotties have a great game next up at Grinnell.  Beat the Pioneers! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Longtooth on October 07, 2005, 01:35:59 PM
PAPA-
   THX FOR THE INFO!!  HOW DID NORBERT'S DO IT?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 07, 2005, 08:02:01 PM
1985 Bears...Yes!!!

2005 Sox...Maybe.

2025 Cubs...Nah!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 08, 2005, 05:54:09 PM
Saturday (10/8) Final Scores
Carroll 31 - Beloit 21
Monmouth 69 - Grinnell 14
Lake Forest 28 - Knox 14
St. Norbert 44 - Lawrence 15
Illinois College at Ripon, can't find a score yet
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 09, 2005, 09:55:39 AM
Ripon pulls out the W. 

Early, how was homecoming?  Lot of people back?  Good game to watch?  See they won, but how did they play?

And for those of you that said the Lawrence vs St. Norberts games was going to be a good game, must have been drinking or taking something.  Give Lawrence two or three years with this new coach and then there might be a "rivalery"   Otherwise its the same ole same ole when the big houses play the boys in blue.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 09, 2005, 09:23:41 PM
"They have some great options if they decide to stay in-staff. The success of the program's future will soley depend on how the college allows the new staff to recruit. "

I see no in-staff who I would consider a great choice but would be curious as to who you feel fits that bill.

I am weary of the ongoing cry of Beloit people (I am one by the way) that somehow it is the administration that is the primary factor holding back their sports programs.  DeGeorge is a fine man and an ok coach but at best a below average recruiter. While the administration may have put some requirements on football recruits, much of the blame for the lack of numbers over the past few years must rest with the program itself.  With 27-28 years worth of graduated players around the country, ask how many of them have been contacted in the past 3-4 years requesting that they help with the recrutiing process.  Ask the coaches at the majority of powerhouse high school programs around Wisconsin and Northern Illinois if they currently have a strong relationship with the coaching staff.  Ask those in the know involved with the admissions process if the football programs recrutiing methods have kept place with the changing scene of overall recruiting for small Liberal Arts colleges.

None of this diminishes the accomplishments that DeGeorge has had during his time at Beloit.  However, if he is to be praised for his great success in the ealry 90's it is unfair to try to shift the blame entirely away from him for what has gone on latley
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 10, 2005, 09:42:52 AM
Nice job, Scots! 

Interestingly, my bachelor's and master's schools both won by the same score.  My current school...not so much.

And the Scots are now up to 2 votes in the top 25 poll.  That's a 100% increase!   ;D

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 10, 2005, 01:29:53 PM
Well Hawk Sighting, Ripon played quite well this weekend.  IC isn't as good as other teams the Hawks lost to, but the Ripon this weekend I think (a guess cause I wasn't at Carroll) was better than the team that showed up at Carroll.  I did find out that Nick Quade only played in the first series at Carroll cause of a knee injury.  Not saying that one player would have made a difference, but a guy who usually leads the team in tackles missing sure doesn't help that defense.

Yes there were a lot of people back and it was fun to see everyone again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 10, 2005, 06:04:58 PM
keep the snowball rolling scotties!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 10, 2005, 06:07:48 PM
Pat,

Why is the quality of wins index important?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 10, 2005, 07:58:47 PM
Dolph

I see Denny Dierick and Brian Bliese as quality choices. (Ceil Youngblood?)

The reason I point my figure at the administration is:

Financial Aid- BC needs to loose the purse strings and allow people to come in-they need to bring in 50-60 kids a year.

Staff size-They need more full-time coaches that are football and football only-allow them to concentrate on recruiting and bringing in talent

The new staff should-host clinics and as you mention build relationships with more H.S. coaches

Localize their approach to recruiting-Beloit is a national institute but they should concentrate on Illinois-Wisconsin-Minni-Iowa-Michigan  this should be their base.

The school has 100 million dollar endowment-let's spend some money on making the Football program something special.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bobturkviking on October 10, 2005, 08:14:52 PM
Quade played way more than the first series in the Carroll game, and no - he would not have made a difference.  RE: Beloit, how can you possible suggest anyone from on staff? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 10, 2005, 08:47:25 PM
"Financial Aid- BC needs to loose the purse strings and allow people to come in-they need to bring in 50-60 kids a year.
Staff size-They need more full-time coaches that are football and football only-allow them to concentrate on recruiting and bringing in talent"

Beloit continues to be a "need blind" college when it comes to admissions so this is not an issue.  If you want to argue that they should reduce academic standards to bring in football players I will lead the resistance. 

The incoming freshman class each year at Beloit is around 300.  Less than half are men.  Do you really want nearly 50% of the incoming men in any given year to be football recruits?

How many full time coaches do think other MWC have on staff.  The head football coach  has only one job (now that DeGeorge is no longer AD) so has plenty of time to improve recruiting.

The new coach at Beloit needs to be someone who can field a team of 50-60 quality players who meet the academic qualifications (not the highest in the country by any standard but much more difficult than some other institutions they will be competing with).  To do this he will have to sell Beloit as a college which is something I'm not sure has been done in recent years.  It will also be important that the program do a solid job of retention since recrutiing classes in the 20-25 range will probably be much more of the norm

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 11, 2005, 12:25:16 PM
Congrads to the Scotties.  They seem to get better offensively every week.  Any thoughts about Player of the Year candidates?  I know about the Scots, but what about the SNB back or the back from Beliot.  How about the reciever from Carroll?  Tell me what you guys think.  4 weeks left, 6-0 here we go.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 11, 2005, 03:11:30 PM
For conference player of the year rightnow my vote would go to Tanney the QB from Monmouth. The kid is putting up sick numbers: 121-159, 21 TD's and only 2 INT's, and an avg of 247 per game. By far the top offensive player in the conference.

Behind him (not in order):
His receiver Haffer
Rankinen
Fletcher from Carroll
Meehan from SNC
Maybe Crocker from Carroll, he's got 11 TD's??

Still with four weeks left its up for grabs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 11, 2005, 04:37:02 PM
You are right bobturkviking.....quade actually played in the first 2 series.  I did make a mistake in that.  I know that he didn't play in any more because he told me himself, and I talked to other RC defenders also.   

But when he was in the game.....2 series.....only a field goal.  When he wasn't in.....touchdowns.  Obvioulsy you can't say Quade was a 5 touchdown difference, but he does make a plays when he is in the game.

 PTPer Baby!  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on October 11, 2005, 05:43:35 PM
Congrats to LFC. Nice job last week. Jump out to an early lead and let some young kids get some playing time.Running game showed some life but has to hold onto the ball.D looked good again.Still can't understand why QB has to throw so many long balls??Good luck this week at IC ,play hard  and stay healthy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bobturkviking on October 11, 2005, 09:41:17 PM
Early - Your mistake again.  I was at the game (and standing about 15 feet from the end zone) and distinctly saw #49 in the end zone on Carroll's first TD early in the 2nd quarter (to make it 17-0).  Maybe your buddies are just looking for excuses.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 12, 2005, 11:57:12 AM
Congratulations to Bob Faulds (Ripon) and Bill Rather (Carroll) on making national team of the week

The Early Lines:

SNC  -13.5    Back on Track, Craig playing well

GC  -5    Someone has to win this awful game

LFC  -7    #10 and his Defense win another game for the foresters

MC  -28.5  Tanney hangs half a hundy, doesn't play the 4th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 12, 2005, 12:54:43 PM
I can live with those outcomes.   ;D

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"  >:(
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p.s.  Where's Maverick??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCGramps97 on October 12, 2005, 03:56:11 PM
Hey this is old #97 from the '01 8-2 Scots season. any of my old buddies out there? our boys are looking pretty good. any of you get to see any games? i'm going down for the Turkey Bowl with some of my students. i'd love to hear from you guys. hope all is well.

Go Scots!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on October 12, 2005, 04:52:18 PM
#77 here from that season.  One of my former players is on the team this year so I've been paying close attention.  I was looking into heading down for the Turkey Bowl too.  Good to see I'm not the only old timer on here.  Looks like Bell, Ragone, and Braun have got the program heading to where they said it would be.  GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 13, 2005, 12:29:39 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 12, 2005, 12:54:43 PM
I can live with those outcomes.   ;D

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"  >:(
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p.s.  Where's Maverick??

Scottie - Maverick is still around; right now I guess that I just haven't had much to post.  Now that I've been called out and I'm here, I suppose I'll go ahead with some thoughts.

Congrats to the Fighting Scots on the big win Saturday at Grinnell and on the rankings in the latest polls.  Other congrats going to Faulds (RC) and Rather (CC) on being named to the D3football.com Team of the Week; and to Faulds and Hanson (LFC) on being named to the Football Gazette Team of the Week.

MCGramps97, McAlum77 - Great to see some more Scots here on the board with the rest of us!  The numbers are growing...  :)

Hope to see alot of other Monmouth alumni in the coming weeks at Homecoming or at the Turkey Bowl.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 13, 2005, 09:37:42 AM
     I don't know if you Monmoth fans have seen it yet but Mitch Tanney is currently the #1 ranked qb in D3 right now.  I know Pat probably isn't impressed but I am.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2005, 09:49:31 AM
P. Smurf:

At Monmouth we have an EXCELLENT SID department which puts out a weekly electronic newsletter.  According to their latest release, Tanney's QB rating is is not only #1 in DIII, but it's also higher than any DI QB.  (There are a few QB's in the DII and D 1 AA who are higher.)

True, that might only put Tanney in the Coleman Mafia's top 25-50 DIII quarterbacks, but we MC and MWC fans should be proud.  (Just giving you a hard time, "godfather.")   ;D

Welcome aboard to the new MC posters.  Monmouth nation is growing.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 13, 2005, 10:51:34 AM
Did Tanney come to Monmouth right out of high school or was he a transfer?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2005, 12:04:11 PM
The Tanney family has a long tradition at Monmouth, but Mitch actually went to Wabash for a year (or was it 2 years?) before transferring to Monmouth. 

Scottie's usual salutation here...   >:(   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on October 13, 2005, 01:11:08 PM
MC -15
IC -4....depends if LFC shows up they are in this one
SNC -7....this could be interesting....CC will be able to gauge themselves after this one.
GC over KNOX
RC bye

MC is solid......should sweep honors
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCGramps97 on October 14, 2005, 09:50:06 AM
good to see you around brett, hows life treating you? coaching? things here are well. hope to see you at the Knox game. take er easy.

west
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 14, 2005, 12:55:16 PM
Are you reading this?  I am talking to the St. Norbert fans, Ripon fans, and everyone else who likes to post on this page.  All you guys do is read what the Scotties are posting.  Quit reading what we have to say and than mumbling underneath your breath about how overrated or how much Monmouth sucks.  Say something, OHHHH.  thats right, you guys only talk about your team when you are doing well.   :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 14, 2005, 01:02:45 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 13, 2005, 12:04:11 PM
The Tanney family has a long tradition at Monmouth, but Mitch actually went to Wabash for a year (or was it 2 years?) before transferring to Monmouth. 

Scottie's usual salutation here...   >:(   

Scottie - Pretty sure that Tanney was at Wabash for 2 years before transferring to Monmouth for last season and this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcsports on October 14, 2005, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: papa90 on October 14, 2005, 12:55:16 PMSay something, OHHHH.  thats right, you guys only talk about your team when you are doing well.   :'(

Sorry Papa, it's tough to show your face when you lose to Ripon right after you argue about how you're going to win that game...and then the Scots come in and roll over your offense like it isn't there.

/not much to say; we're playing for third.
Title: Why The Skirts Fish For Smack???
Post by: meachscribe on October 15, 2005, 12:55:08 AM
You wear dresses for fun. We're all too puckered up to want to say anything negative.  :o
Don't speak too soon on your glory run. Stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 15, 2005, 06:01:48 AM
Hey Papa90,

I have something to say.  I hope we get you in the first round of the playoffs so we can beat you up like we did when we owned the MWC.  Your conference is weak.  Learn how to recruit.

GO KOHAWKS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on October 15, 2005, 01:20:28 PM
Coe & Cornell had their runs..but OWNED.......never lost to either personally. Stay in Iowa you one toothed wonder.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on October 15, 2005, 05:20:41 PM
Hello Scot fans,
Hows it going in the great mid west? Is it cold yet? It's starting to get chilly down here today I turned my A\C off. Papa and Westerhausen its good to see ya around. Hearing you guys talk trash reminds me of my sophmore season. I would like to say that I will see yall at the Knox game but I dont think I'll be able to afford the trip (stupid wedding). For all of  you keeping track at home yes the Mitchell Mustangs were victorious last week with a over time win 28-21 against the 5-1 hudson Cobras. The was channel 47 televised game of the week. Which made the win even bigger. Were fighting for 5-5 this season.
Maverick hows the great metropolis that is Monmouth doing? It still smells I'm sure.
Maybe I'll start charging my students for better grades to raise money to fly up.
Man I've gotta burnin case of PMS.
Rooster out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 15, 2005, 07:10:49 PM
Looks like everything went as expected this weekend...

SNC rolls 48-28   no need for offense when the D can score like that in a game

MC   41-13   standard win this season

IC    24-8    no offense = no forester win

Knox  57-31  the worst scoring team puts up 57 on a team that won't win another game all season
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 16, 2005, 10:01:38 PM
"I have something to say.  I hope we get you in the first round of the playoffs so we can beat you up like we did when we owned the MWC.  Your conference is weak.  Learn how to recruit."

Cornell is a fine and unique college and it was a real loss to the MWC when they moved on.

I assume that by "learn how to recruit" you would encourage others to follow the example set by that school in Cedar Rapids where all players who can get at least 2/3 of the letters in the schools name correct are admitted?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 17, 2005, 10:11:53 AM
I love it when people like Dolph come on here and talk and try to sound like they have any idea on other schools.  Cornell should never have left the MWC, when they left they left at a time when they were dominant, and yes Coe should have left also and they left for the same reasons as Cornell, because they wanted to be in a more local conference.  Well Cornell should have stayed in the MWC, they are not doing very well in the IAAC and if they were back in the MWC could start competing.  You could say that the IAAC is a "stronger" conference, but I will tell you Dolph that out of the schools you talked about it's, harder to get into Coe then it is to get into most of the MWC schools and Cornell.  So please before you write again please do some homework.

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 17, 2005, 10:25:59 AM
Dolph, I apologize, that last message that i posted was not supposed to be completely directed at you, yes some was, but also some was to go to the coccoforcoehawks guy.  The whole "Learn how to Recruite" comment is probably one of the dumbest things that i have seen on this site in the last 4 years.  Coocc for a person that has no idea on what else is going on in this conference and the recruiting rules that follows the MWC you sure talk a lot.  I read your posts on the IAAC and some of the things you say are pretty embarrising.  I however I am a Coe College fan, and cheer them on every saturday along with the Ripon Redhawks, but please understand the process before talking. 
     The IAAC has off campus recruiting, and the MWC does not, this right here will hurt any school that can not go and talk with a player after a game.  What school would you choose if it came down to two and one can come and talk with you off campus or you have to travel to go talk to the coach in person. 
     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2005, 11:41:09 AM
Congrats to the Scots on another impressive win.  Keep up the intensity for what should be a big homecoming crowd.  Up 12 votes in the "others receiving" portion of the Top 25.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 17, 2005, 12:17:15 PM
Well it seems like the mighty cohawks have something to say about the MWC, or maybe just me.  I am looking forward to the Mighty Scots playing in the playoffs against who ever.  If that happens to be Coe college, than so be it.  Our conference is not picked to do well, any time.  But I smell the stench in the air that Coe college puts out and it smells like ...well I'll just let everyone put thier own word their. 
6-0 here we go.  The oldies will be at homecoming this weekend, and I am looking forward to Sharon's and to the Bijou for some late night celebrating.  Go Scots, BEAT THE BLUE BOYS.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on October 17, 2005, 02:07:34 PM
As a IC fan the Scots should have no problem with the Blueboys.  Last year's  successful QB (Jennings) is now out for the year with a seperated shoulder and a freshman with start.  The O-Line just lost one of it's best players (Juelich) for the rest of the year due to injury.  The defense has also just lost a couple of starters. 

All of this on a team that at the begining of the year, if lucky, could have been 3rd or 4th in the conference.  All of this adds up to the Scots reserves getting a lot of PT in the second half.  Just take it easy on the fellow Illinois conference foe.... I guess there is allways women's golf to root for....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 17, 2005, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on October 17, 2005, 10:25:59 AM

     The IAAC has off campus recruiting, and the MWC does not, this right here will hurt any school that can not go and talk with a player after a game.  What school would you choose if it came down to two and one can come and talk with you off campus or you have to travel to go talk to the coach in person. 
     

That is my point when I said learn how to recruit, who is keeping you from off campus recruiting, the NCAA or your own Athletic Directors.  Also for someone as informed as you get it right.  It's IIAC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 17, 2005, 02:40:41 PM
As I get older, my memory grows dim.  How did the champions of the mighty IIAC make out against the MWC champions in the 03 playoffs?

Imagine what the score might have been if SNC had been able to recruit off campus ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 17, 2005, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: Dolph Stanley on October 17, 2005, 02:40:41 PM
As I get older, my memory grows dim.  How did the champions of the mighty IIAC make out against the MWC champions in the 03 playoffs?


Um Uh Dolph,
SNC squeeked out an overtime win against the second place team in the IIAC in the 2003 playoffs, imagine if you got your facts right.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fbfan34 on October 17, 2005, 02:54:49 PM
wow snc scores 4 defensive TD's..impressive..and triner gets 2 in 18 seconds..sounds like a nominee for national POW..but i wouldn't vote for him after his unsportsmanlike after the first TD..selfish player..and lucky it seems
Title: Triner for Natty POW
Post by: meachscribe on October 17, 2005, 04:26:40 PM
34, selfish or excited? Maybe a bit much with the dunk, but can you blame a kid. He didn't wave his rod or anything.
Do you have a vote for National POW?  How can I apply for such a position?

Now that Monmouth or whoever else owns this board, it's pretty lame.  Years of losing have made you fellas boring and unimaginative.

Pissing in the wind with Coe or Cornell is old news.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2005, 05:06:55 PM
"Now that Monmouth or whoever else owns this board, it's pretty lame.  Years of losing have made you fellas boring and unimaginative."

Quick & imaginative stat of the day:  Since starting out the 2002 season 0-5, the Scots are 29-3. 

"You know the rest!"  >:(
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 17, 2005, 05:22:51 PM
Whats with all of the hostility.  If its not obvious to everyone that Monmouth, St. Norbert and seemingly Carrol (this year and LFC most other years) could compete with any of the so-called top conferences in the midwest, then just let the ignorant dogs lie.  Carrol lost by three to a carthage team that has been ranked in the top 25 all year.  St. norbert though they got waxed has only done what everyone else has done when facing whitewater this year.  And Monmouth, well running of 15 (or is it 16) straight should say something.  People keep talking about (teams of the MWC) our playoff success.  Last year St. Norbert lost to platteville, who turned around and lost to a pretty gal darn team.  St. norbert lost to the eventual national champion the year before that.  you guys act like our playoff teams lose to scrubs.  Usually the MWC representative has to play a beast in the first round and maybe just maybe that may be the reason why we have had a tough time of it.  

Stop Hatin the MWC and start respecting the only team in country not to get into playoffs with a 9-1 record.  MC is not some flash in the pan.  We would be in the top 3 in any conference in the Midwest.  Period!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 17, 2005, 05:53:35 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on October 17, 2005, 04:26:40 PM
34, selfish or excited? Maybe a bit much with the dunk, but can you blame a kid. He didn't wave his rod or anything.
Do you have a vote for National POW?  How can I apply for such a position?

Now that Monmouth or whoever else owns this board, it's pretty lame.  Years of losing have made you fellas boring and unimaginative.

Pissing in the wind with Coe or Cornell is old news.
     Dohr and Breisch returned int's for touchdowns but were able to celebrate without trying to show up a team SNC's beaten for quite a few years in a row.  Kind of like beating a dead mule.  What's the point?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 17, 2005, 08:46:46 PM
Showing up a team - Weak.  He made a play. If you don't want to see it, throw the ball to your own guy, and then there's a non-issue.

Scottie, nice stat.  You guys are having a helluva run.  Perhaps long overdue???  I've still gotta bust your balls though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 18, 2005, 08:18:41 AM
     "Winning with class" and "acting like you've been there" probably hold no meaning for you but Purtill thinks they're important virtues.  That's why he did something about it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 18, 2005, 09:35:28 AM
Has he run back a TD before? Has he been there?

I'm sure Anthony Triner apologizes for hurting your feelings.

House, are reading this slop?????  Wake up!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on October 18, 2005, 11:42:42 AM
GP - I think that now that House is married, his internet access is controlled by his wife...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on October 18, 2005, 12:34:17 PM
Boys, I am trying to retire from the board in peace, but you make comments about being married and I have to step in and defend myself.

I've been reading, and agree that the Monmouth posters are boring, unimaginative, and all around blah.  "Rah Rah, our team is winning!  Go Team!, Monmouth is #1"
Boys, have all those years of finishing second or worse given you second rate imaginations?

Regarding Triner - Sorry Meacher, I've gotta go against you on this one.  You know how I feel about the guy after last year when he got "excited" against LAX in the first round.  It cost us not only the first round of the playoffs, but the first round against a WIAC team.  I do not know Triner off the field, but some guys have come on here to defend him, so he can't be all that bad, however, he has represented himself as a selfish player on the field.  Anything else Meacher, I've got your back, this one is a little touchy with me.

If anyone asks, I retired of my own free will, I got tired of correcting people, work is crazy ... and perhaps because some polish linebacker, we'll simply refer to as ski, yelled at me.  Polish people in general scare me.

Marriage is so cool.   ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2005, 02:38:18 PM
Warning: One more crack about being boring and the haikus begin!   :D

"Hoping to post like I went to SNC in 2006!"   ???
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 18, 2005, 02:47:02 PM
since when did Wiscansin become the imagination capital of the world?

And Scottie a Haiku would be nice, it is raining out here in southern cali, can you believe that rain in the OC.

MC All-Sports Champs repeat in O6' 
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Title: Southern Ill.
Post by: meachscribe on October 18, 2005, 03:04:26 PM
I've been to Monmouth a few times, and couldn't really say if it's in the Southern or Western part of the state, maybe both. But, it sure isn't Chicago, the only piece of land that matters in that god forsaken state.

All-Sports are for Perverts.  Only one field of play matters son.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 18, 2005, 03:55:20 PM
Mr. Pawlik,

Ill give you that respect if you retract the pervert statement. 

you say only one field of play matters, fine, i think we have been pretty darn good on the one in question.

P.S. i can throw around the "receptacle conversation" (trash talk for you non-MC grads), dont start none wont be none!

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 18, 2005, 03:56:38 PM
BTW- MC is in the Midwestern part of the state!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 18, 2005, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on October 17, 2005, 05:22:51 PMPeople keep talking about (teams of the MWC) our playoff success.  Last year St. Norbert lost to platteville, who turned around and lost to a pretty gal darn team.  St. norbert lost to the eventual national champion the year before that.  you guys act like our playoff teams lose to scrubs.  Usually the MWC representative has to play a beast in the first round and maybe just maybe that may be the reason why we have had a tough time of it.   


Wisconsin-La Crosse scored 27 unanswered in the 4th and then went on to play at Linfield.  Not Platteville, they have never even been close to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2005, 04:21:19 PM
The Knights were the champs
For six long years in a row.
Now it's Monmouth - time!

Go easy on me...I'm multi-tasking.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 18, 2005, 04:33:38 PM
STH-  ok, i was wrong, but you get my jist right? 

good effort scottie....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Fightin Scot Silk on October 18, 2005, 05:13:20 PM
Don't hate the game MC haters....hate the movement thats taken place....

It was a matter of time when the Scots were going to take over. Bell's second year, my senior year '02, we made a pack as seniors to help turn the program around...Judging the last 4 seasons...I think it has been done....

Also Mr. Pawlik

All sports champs is not for perverts......it shows how well you Athectic Program is doing.....

One field only matters yea you right Track...hahahaha

GO SCOTS 2005;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on October 18, 2005, 06:52:08 PM
Hows this for unimaginative? BeeeLOW Me.
Which is only fitting because you and everyone else on this board are below the men in kilts (hows the view?).
We at Monmouth are proud of the all sport championships because were true competitors and could whip yall in everything from football to chinesse checkers.
The only exciting thing in Wisconsin is that stupid truck in the tree that coach Elliot gets so excited about.
You can also BeeeLOW my PMS.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2005, 09:25:28 AM
In case you haven't read "Around the Midwest"...

Other tidbits
Monmouth (7-0, 6-0 in the MWC) continues to dominate the Midwest Conference and remained undefeated last week with a 41-13 victory over Lawrence. Monmouth, despite being 24-3 over the past three years, 37-10 since 2001 and averaging 45.1 points per game, has been receiving only scant attention from the pollsters. ...

Welcome to Monmouth Nation, Clyde Hughes!

By the way, as someone who has been active on this site for the past several years (although admittedly moreso on D3hoops), I wouldn't say that there has been substantially much more posting from the Monmouth contingent.  Rather, most of the other regulars (SNC, Ripon, and Carroll) have just disappeared.  Maybe it is they who possess the lack of imagination.

"Everybody now....!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 19, 2005, 10:52:07 AM
I'm here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2005, 12:51:30 PM
We'll never call you Greg "fair weather" Pawlik.  We might call you some other names, but not fair weather.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2005, 02:20:26 PM
Did somebody say, "learn how to recruit?"

Coe drops out of AFCA poll
The AFCA Top 25 through Week 7:

Rank School (1st votes) Rec. Pts. Prev.
1. Linfield (35) 5-0 994 1
2. Mount Union (5) 6-0 961 2
3. Rowan 6-0 898 3
4. Hardin-Simmons 6-0 877 4
5. St. John's 7-0 841 5
6. UW-Whitewater 6-0 805 7
7. Occidental 5-0 719 8
8. Trinity (Texas) 5-0 694 9
9. Delaware Valley 6-0 659 10
10. Mary Hardin-Baylor 4-1 524 13
11. Hobart 6-0 454 14
12. North Central 6-0 393 21
13. St. John Fisher 6-1 373 16
14. Bridgewater (Va.) 4-1 339 17
15. Johns Hopkins 6-0 321 18
16. Concordia-Moorhead 5-1 319 11
17. Washington & Jefferson 6-1 308 19
18. Monmouth 7-0 303 20
19. Ithaca 5-1 300 6
20. Thiel 6-0 271 23
21. Wabash 6-0 267 24
22. UW-La Crosse 3-2 244 12
23. Wheaton 5-1 203 22
24. Augustana 5-1 156 —
25. Wesley 7-0 142 —

Dropped out: No. 15 Coe, No. 25 Carthage

Others receiving votes: Union 112; Ferrum 90; St. Olaf 84; Coe 77; Salisbury 67; Central 52; Trinity (Conn.) 48; Alma 20; UW-Oshkosh 19; John Carroll 15; Christopher Newport 12; Whitworth 10; McDaniel 9; Wartburg 5; Carthage 5; Capital 4; Washington & Lee 3; RPI 2; St. Norbert 1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 19, 2005, 02:21:01 PM
How very honest of you.

I don't mean to be coy, but someone said earlier you Skirts could compete in the top 3 of any conference in the area (I'm sure that's a loose comparison to what was really written). Either way, I'm not buying that. You've had a good year thus far, but I can't see you taking down a No. 2 in the playoffs in the first round, which is what you'll have to do to convince a lot of onlookers otherwise.

Insert SNC comment losing however many before winning one against the aforementioned crap IIAC team. Whatever. I beat you to it.

Someone enlighten me. If, if, if you win out, whodoya got?  Figure UWW or SJU at No. 1 with a bye, or is this different (with byes that is). Then you're either at SJU or UWW (probably UWW with the distance thing.)

A lot of dancing to go, but don't be unrealistic with who you are.  Ask LFC how good teams around the region really are. They got smoked a few years back with Baby Urlacher in the middle.

What's the saying - Don't count your chickens ...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcsports on October 19, 2005, 03:06:03 PM
Wartburg on 2002 was nasty. And by nasty, I mean faster, stronger, more disciplined than any MWC team we played in '02. And after thrashing us by six TDs, they went to Oregon and got their tails handed to 'em by Linfield.

Pawlik's right.

We as a conference are ranked #21 for a reason - we're not as good as most of the others.

That said, however, after starting against Monmouth and St. Norbert in '04 I will say that Monmouth's front seven (six of which are returners) was the best in the conference. The numbers might not support that, but as a team LFC couldn't do a thing to them last year and the same was true this year. Combine that with a monster year from Tanney, and the Scots could have success.

Just don't get ahead of yourselves, and make sure you're thinking in terms of playoff success. LFC was killed by focusing too much energy on the Norbert game - when that was over, it felt like our season was too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2005, 03:13:15 PM
Nice try, Greg...  Monmouth's remaining opponents have a combined MWC record of 8-8.  While I would say that the Scots are a favorite to be 10-0 after the Knox game, anything could happen.  So until things are a little more certain, you won't read anything from THIS fan about the Scots in the playoffs until it's in the bag. 

With that said, I predict that the MWC champ will probably not get a great draw in the playoff bracket.  A trip to Whitewater or St. John's would not surprise me in the least.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 19, 2005, 05:07:53 PM
I talk about the playoffs because that is how we will get our respect.  you look forward to it because an undefeated conference schedule means nothing if you get blown out in the first round.  You relish the hatred from other conferences because you know that when the time is right everyone will realize that your school, your team, your conference is legit.

No one from "Scots Nation" is claiming that MC is the best team in the country, all we ask for is respect.  Whether our conference is ranked 21st or not, we have a talented team. 

Truthfully a little more speed on defense and maybe one more playmaker on offense is what sets us apart from being on the same level of the Linfields and Mount Unions.  But to say that we cant be mentioned in the same breath with confernces and/or schools in our own backyard, who recruit the same kids we do, do not have the quality of training facilities we do, and
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 19, 2005, 06:29:51 PM
Scottie,
Good showing in the d3footbal.com poll.  Those pollsters must realize you haven't played anyone decent this year.  Start scheduling decent non-conference opponents.  At least SNC had the intestinal fortitude to take on the WIAC's best, even though they got creamed.  You have one other decent team in your conference and they got blown out by the WIAC's best, no wonder your conference gets no respect.  Your non-conference win came against a team that lost to a team (Lakeland) that shouldn't have been on the same field as UWW (73-12).  What do you think you are going to do against UWW in the playoffs, your most likely opponent.  Oh, and the AFCA poll has been schizophrenic all year.  So schedule a MIAC, WIAC, or IIAC team.  The IBC is worse then say, oh I don't know, the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2005, 10:40:04 PM
Holy crap this board has been rolling over faster during the last few days and everyone seems to be as pissed off as ever! :D  I'm not even going to try to respond to anything at this point--it would just take way too long for now.

Actually I will reply to a couple things I guess. 
1) Scottie - nice haiku, can't wait to read more of those once basketball season swings into high-gear! 
2) Florida Scot - you said you were sure Monmouth still smells...well you're right, it still smells like a winner baby! :)

Other than that, I'll try to keep up with the board a little better in the future from now on so I don't fall behind by 3 days.  And if I don't post anything on here between now and Saturday, I'm looking forward to seeing as many of you Fighting Scot alumni as possible at homecoming this weekend.  PMS!!![/color]
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 20, 2005, 01:09:39 AM
Quote from: lfcsports on October 19, 2005, 03:06:03 PM
We as a conference are ranked #21 for a reason - we're not as good as most of the others.

Just don't get ahead of yourselves, and make sure you're thinking in terms of playoff success. LFC was killed by focusing too much energy on the Norbert game - when that was over, it felt like our season was too.


As a conference I don't think that there are any real programs besides SNC, and Monmouth has been building one the last few years as well.  If you look at SNC and MC, they have been bringing in quality kids and have always had numbers.  For the most part teams usually only bring in what they need and aren't deep at any position.  IC and Carroll are building but they aren't there yet.  Hopefully Lawrence will begin to turn it around.  Ripon has been off but I think they are there.  The others aren't even close. 

Monmouth and SNC are good teams but when they play average high school teams week in and week out in conference they don't get any better.  The only way to get any respect is to get better as a whole conference.  It will only make everyone else more competitive.

lfcsports,
LFC was fortunate to have players fall in their lap and that turned into a championship.  They need to find themselves and settle on a coach.  Is this year just a tryout for the coaching staff or what AD.  And it was evident that LFC thought their season was over after SNC in '02 because they didn't bother to show up in the playoffs. 

Comments??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 20, 2005, 09:25:58 AM
cocopuff:  We begin next season with Wartburg.  Satisfied?

"Maverick finishes out the season strong in 2005!"  ;D  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 20, 2005, 10:02:16 AM
YES!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbdriver on October 20, 2005, 10:51:46 AM
RE:  Did somebody say, "learn how to recruit?"

Scottie,

You must be living in a shell.  Hope you will open your eyes when you play UWW.  Get real, Coe got out of the MAC because they wanted some respect.   Now they are contenders in the IIAC every year.  And Wartburg will drill you next season.  They have 120 players on their squad each year and have field turf and a great facility.  They are able to get the best recruits in the league and compete with Coe to get them.  I hear Coe is getting field turf on their game field and practice field along with lights.  The word is they plan on having the 4A schools in CR play one game their each week and then host play-off games.  That may move them in front of the Knights for recruiting purposes. 

Also, your administrators are also fooling themselves if they think they are so astute when it comes to academics.   It's just a way in which they can justify keeping the athletic departments down and not having to give them money.  And letting their development departments continue their weak efforts in the fund raising efforts.  Don't tell me that Central, Coe, Wartburg, St Johns and Augustana are just as good or better than the MAC schools when it comes to academics.  We'll maybe not Grinnell....but everyone else.  But who wants to be like them.

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if you weren't running your month.  I'm from that part of the country and thought as you did before I moved away.  Don't get brain washed, or you'll be eating a lot of crow in the future.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 20, 2005, 11:05:19 AM
Maverick hit it right on the head.  Everyone is getting on each others nerves. 

scottie....I liked the cocopuff.....there's the original creative MC Scots.

Any predictions this week fellas, other than MC.  I realize the scots are having a great season, but does anyone else want to talk about their own teams????

Nubs is rolling into Ripon Saturday.  LET'S GO HAWKS!!!  I would love to be there, but Early got him some tickets to the Badger homecoming.....

Holla
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 20, 2005, 01:28:55 PM
chill pill- everyone outside of ScotsNation take one now.  A team asks for respect after going 20 something and three over three years and the world says no.  MC is a very good team, not the best in the land (just yet), but a very good team.  if you think otherwise this is the place to say it, but if you havent seen MC play and want to compare us to the sub .500 teams of old, then you are not making an informed assumption. 

MC in 05 whether you like it or not!

have fun at homecoming, wish i could be there...

Hoping for a free weekend to see MC's first playoff game in a very long time...
Title: Skirts Nation
Post by: meachscribe on October 20, 2005, 02:26:18 PM
How many members are in the aformentioned Skirts Nation?  Is there also a Skirts Radio Network on AM 710, The home of mediocrity turned OK.

The following reminds me of what it would be like to be on a Monmouth roady (Borrowed from Czabe.com)

"Ever tried to take a leak peacefully on the ultra-cramped hot and smelly bathroom on the back of a tour bus? That's nothin'! Try getting in there with 4 other guys. Naked. And then have the door locked. For a LONG time.

"The Ontario Hockey League has suspended Windsor Spitfires Coach and GM Moe Mantha (perhaps the greatest name for a journeyman NHL player EVER!) for 40 games as coach, and even longer as GM for a hazing incident with his players that involved the so-called and much dreaded "hot box" maneuver on rookies.... This from TSN.ca....

"The incident involved players ''being told to strip and stand in the washroom at the back of the bus by other players,'' the OHL said in a release. Branch said five players were involved, but only four were crammed into the washroom.

"He would not say if the players were rookies in order to protect their identities. However, jamming first-year players into the tiny washroom at the back of a bus, known as a hot box, has a long history among junior teams.

"REACT: The only thing worse, would be to make these guys do the "elephant walk" down the aisle to then get the "hot box" treatment. Ugh."

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 20, 2005, 02:38:13 PM
qbdriver,

I'm from the part of the country that proofreads posts...   :D  We belong to the MWC, not the MAC.  And those who consider themselves overly vociferous are accused of running their mouths, not their months.    

You're argument about our development staff not raising money for athletics is hilarious.  I've been to Coe.  Would you seriously want to compare your facilities with Monmouth's?  Five years ago, absolutely.  Today, no.

And, my rough count of the Scots' roster listed 126 players.  Sorry you didn't check that either.   ???  Have a nice day.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 20, 2005, 02:42:15 PM
Greg, you snuck that last one in while I was typing.  That scenario sounds more like the antics of another western Illinois college to me....  Since they're not on here to defend themselves, I'll let you figure out who I'm talking about.

I gotta go.  Somebody's knoxing, I mean knocking at my door. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 20, 2005, 03:34:40 PM
The Early Line:


Lawrence  -7     Grinnell has given up on the season LU has to win

Beloit    -9.5     Knox can't possibly score that many again, BC looking for win #2

Carroll   -14    It's a pattern 2 wins and then a loss, they're due for a win, lfc offense is non existant

Monmouth  -23  The offense and defense don't overlook the blueboys

St. Norbert  -13.5  The machine is running smoothly after a slow start
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 20, 2005, 03:36:11 PM
Greg

What team do you support again?

MC in 05' whether you like it or not!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 20, 2005, 03:48:26 PM
The other team
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on October 20, 2005, 07:21:20 PM
If Tanney keeps things up, I'm sure most posters would agree that he'd be the obvious Offensive Player of the Year choice.

What's going on with the other side of the ball in terms of POY candidates? The Scots have a pretty special player in Zigler, their linebacker (#48).

Just askin' -- who else out there has a Defensive POY contender?

Long-time basketball poster, first-time football poster. Never could figure out how to use one of those faces, so here's a first: 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2005, 07:56:30 PM
Do they still have that stale salty popcorn at Strong Stadium?? They play Ripon on my birthday this year and I'm considering a trip down. But without the popcorn I remember, it would not be a Beloit game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2005, 09:26:26 PM
Hey, posts on the board in back-to-back days for me--now I'm keeping up!  Just a few things again tonight...

Early - Glad to see that someone else on here agrees with me that everyone seems to be getting on everyone else's nerves.  Maybe someday we'll all just relax a little bit.

Old Fighting Scot - Assuming the Scots get into the playoffs, you better get a free weekend to see the first round playoff game.  In fact, all the alumni who can manage a free weekend should find a way to get one.  And if I'm not mistaken, that would be MC's first ever national playoff game...had a few conference championship games in the past, but never one in the national playoffs.

Schwan Man - It's great to see you found your way over to the football boards from the basketball boards!  So here's a smiley to greet you: :P
Title: Re: Around the Nation
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2005, 09:30:22 AM
Keith McMillan's words, not mine.  (But I like the way this guy thinks...)

MIDWEST CONFERENCE (MWC)
Suspense rating: 1
Contender: Monmouth
Probable playoff spots: One in Pool A
Key results in the books: Monmouth 28, St. Norbert 20, Sept. 17
Key games approaching: None
ATN's analysis: Barring an unforeseen and stunning stumble, pencil the Scots in for the postseason. The win at St. Norbert was huge, and the only low-loss teams left after that, Ripon and Carroll, each have two conference defeats with one of the big two still on the schedule. The Green Knights, however, probably lost any chance at a Pool C bid with the 45-7 loss to UW-Whitewater in the opener.
ATN's predicted champion: Monmouth. Even &&Bridgewater's&& ODAC title isn't wrapped this well.

Good luck to the Scots vs. IC.  Hoping for a Homecoming win!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 21, 2005, 12:19:06 PM
SchwannMan- glad you could join us.

Maverick- pencil me in....

Scottie- keep up the good work

Everyone Else in ScotsNation-  MC Football is da shiznit!!!

MC Football in 05,whether you like it or not!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on October 21, 2005, 02:26:42 PM
I just read the post from Scottie that said MC has 126 players on their roster.According to this sites Qfacts page the enrollment at MC is 1155.I'm no math major but that would mean over 20% of all the men that go to MC play football.Is this the norm at most D3 schools?I think LFC has 73 on the roster and an enrollment of 1300,thats a little over 10% playing football.Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2005, 03:15:51 PM
I'm not sure if there is any direct correlation between size of roster and quality of team (ie. place in the standings).  But I believe I heard that SNC has a pretty large roster as well.  Beloit, on the other hand, has been spoken (written) of as having an usually small roster. 

Monmouth does include an abbreviated JV schedule, so that the third and fourth string (or fifth) can get on the field. 

Frankly, I was surprised the roster had that many players.  It probably has something to do with a.) strong, consistent recruiting, b.) a high retention rate among student-athletes, and c.) a desireable program for many local athletes, ie. some student-athletes may know that they aren't going to get much PT, but want to be part of a postive program. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on October 21, 2005, 03:26:26 PM
Scottie you seem to know the program pretty well.How high of a retention rate do they have? LFC has 29 FR,21 SO but drops down to 12 JR and 11 SR. and thats after 3 good yrs. Did you play and if so how big was your team?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
LFCdad - I'm sorry to admit that I'm only an enthusiastic fan, not a former football player.  I have however competed for MC athletically (briefly) and coached there as well.  Today, I'm a "distance-fan" who relies on combining box scores, SID releases and institutional memory (more than ten year's worth) for my remarkably insightful remarks.   ;)

I have not broken down the MC roster year by year in order to scientifically prove my retention theory.  But I would say that the retention trends of the football team and the overall enrollment of the college are commensurate.  (That means "equal" for any IIAC fans who might be reading this...)  Through facility planning and fundraising to benefit the academic, residential and athletic qualities of the campus, Monmouth's enrollment has benefitted - both in terms of attracting new students and retaining the students that they already have.  It would not surprise me if freshman-to-sophmore retention figures are in the upper 80 percentile or even in the low 90 percentile.  And, generally, once a student has spent two years at an institution it is much less likely that they will leave.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 21, 2005, 04:22:37 PM

As a conference I don't think that there are any real programs besides SNC, and Monmouth has been building one the last few years as well.  If you look at SNC and MC, they have been bringing in quality kids and have always had numbers.  For the most part teams usually bring in what they need and aren't deep at any position.  IC and Carroll are building but they aren't there yet.  Hopefully Lawrence will begin to turn it around with their new staff.  Ripon has been off but I think they are there.  The others aren't even close.

Monmouth and SNC are good teams but when they play average high school teams week in and week out in conference they don't get any better.  The only way to get any respect is to get better as a whole conference.  It will only make everyone else more competitive. 

lfcsports,
LFC was fortunate to have players fall in their lap and that turned into a championship.  They need to find themselves and settle on a coach.  For your AD, is this year just a tryout for the coaching staff or what?  And it was evident that LFC thought their season was over after SNC in '02 because they didn't bother to show up in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 21, 2005, 04:55:54 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/coll/oct05/364706.asp

Since the Red Ducks are asleep at the wheel, I'll help them out.  I may be an ass, but thank you to this guy.

With that being said, SNC will hang a 45-10 type game on the Ducks this weekend. 

For those who want to be entertained, take a look at the photo of Coach Ernst on the Ripon Web site.  Holly bucktooth!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on October 21, 2005, 05:26:25 PM
Hey Scout you seem a little bitter about LFC winning the championship.It dosn"t say much for the rest of the conference if like you say one baby U can fall into the lap of a school and turn that team into a champ. I'm not sure who you are pulling for but  you said in your last post that the only real program was SNC with MC building one the last few years.Then you say IC ,Carroll,Ripon And hopefully LC are all turning it around. If all those teams are on the up-swing like you say then you don't have to worry about the MWC getting any respect do you?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 21, 2005, 05:30:27 PM
"Monmouth and SNC are good teams but when they play average high school teams week in and week out in conference they don't get any better.  The only way to get any respect is to get better as a whole conference.  It will only make everyone else more competitive."

There is another way for teams like Monmouth and SNC to gain respect.  Apply for admission in a conference in which the majority of schools place the same emphasis on football as you do.

The simple fact is that schools like Grinnell, Lawrence and Beloit will never field teams of 90+ players.  These schools are already at full enrollment and their philosophy is different (Before you get mad, I am not saying it is better or worse, simply different.)  In the near future it would not surprise me to see a major realignment of the D3 conferences in the Mid West with football being a major force in who ends up where.
Title: Hey Roop
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 21, 2005, 05:32:36 PM
The Beloit - Ripon game promises to be a fairly major event as it is DeGeorge's last home game.  Come on down, I'll leave a bag of popcorn under the stands from this weeks game so it gets good and stale.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2005, 06:39:05 PM
Dolph,

It has been pretty cool lately so I don't think leaving the popcorn outside would cause it to go stale fast enough. Get a bag of Wal-Mart popcorn and set it next to a vaporizer for a few days. That should closely approximate what I remember.

Plumbing so bad that water seeped from almost every interior wall in the stadium, which created the most unique popcorn known to man. And to think they remodeled the place. Go figger......



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on October 21, 2005, 10:44:31 PM
LFCdad:  We were lucky enough to have found a great school like LFC and have our son play on the 2002 Championship team.  Or should I say "LFC was fortunate to have players fall in their lap and that turned into a championship."  Although we are not from Illinois and had never heard of Lake Forest College, it was actually what we saw when we went on a tour that impressed us and helped our son decide LFC was a great fit for him.  As for that championship, no song has more meaning for me than "Magic Carpet Ride."  Oh what a smile and what  memories that song brings.  As for this year, it's nice to see a changing of the guards like in 2002 (the first time in 19 years for LFC), but I'm anxious, as is everyone, to see what happens the first round of playoffs.  For the boys at LFC, keep your heads up, and good luck against Carroll tomorrow.  They always play you tough. 

Title: Re: Scoreboard Update
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2005, 04:20:13 PM
I can't attend the game but called for an update.

Just starting the second half - Monmouth 35, IC 0

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ccfan69 on October 22, 2005, 05:22:18 PM
Carroll 40 LFC 13 Final.....Nice Job Pioneers.  Defense really helped out in this game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on October 23, 2005, 12:12:18 PM
Went to the IC/St. Norbert's  game, as an IC fan, hopefullI can still give an objective response.

1. Monmouth is better than anyone in the conference... period.  Better than St. Norbert's, better than Carroll, etc. 

2. Monmouth's main strenght that no one talks about EXECUTION.  They did a great scouting job, develop a game plan and then did it!

3. QB, RB, size of lineman no one is better in the conference.

4. Where were the D2 and D1AA schools, that some of these players on Monmouth could be playing for when it came time to recruit?

My Blueboys had heart, gave it there all but, when you play an better team (Senoir Day and Homecoming on the same day too!?!) ... this is what happens.  Hopefullly when the four key starters for the Blueboys come back next year (QB,OL,DB,DL) come back next year.. it will be a better game.

Hats off  to the Scots and everybody in the conference should be now routing for the Scots to go two or tree deep in the play offs.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2005, 06:16:31 PM
IC,

Whose to say that there weren't any 1AA or D2 schools interested in some of the Monmouth players. 1AA and D2s don't have many scholarships available so "4 year rides" aren't that common. I'm just guessing but if offers were made it probably involved walking on for a few years. Then maybe getting a scholarship in the junior or senior season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 23, 2005, 11:13:44 PM
Well once again the Scots come off a good week and they only gain 3 little votes.  And yet Coe can lose to Wartburg who has yet to be recognized.  Man people really do have a negative opinion of our conference.  Our conference I think is better than the credit we get for it.  I just think Monmouth has put together a quality team and it is a giant in comparison to the rest of the conference.  Well as far as respect goes that is cool don't give any to the Scots so that they can sneek up behind someone in the playoffs and suprise the whole D3football.com world.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 24, 2005, 06:46:30 AM
Jester,

Quote from: Jester76 on October 23, 2005, 11:13:44 PM
  Well as far as respect goes that is cool don't give any to the Scots so that they can sneek up behind someone in the playoffs and suprise the whole D3football.com world.


Ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Fightin Scot Silk on October 24, 2005, 11:49:02 AM
Remains to be seen cooccobird
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 24, 2005, 12:17:12 PM
Congrads on the Scots on another great win.  The defense for Monmouth is the best i've seen since the 2001 Monmouth team.  They are all over the QB and the linbacking core are fast and strong.  Justin Zigler is a heck of a player and very well could be the Defensive Player of the Year.

This week is tough, the Pioneers of Carroll are starting a program and win over the Scots would prove that to the rest of the conference.  If the Scots do not prepare and execute, they will lose to Carroll.  Do i see that happening?  I hope not.  I hate Carroll only because in 2000.  We lost 42-7, it was snowing, and our bus broke down and we hung out in Waukesh, WI till 4 in the morning.  GO get em Scots.  The folks will be at the game.  Beat the Pioneers!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 24, 2005, 12:25:43 PM
Papa, i remember that game, it was terrible all aspects of it, i think my toes are still a bit frostbitten.

Great job Scots, keep it up, leave no doubt!  If you dominate, it will come (the accolades and recognition and respect)!!

MC football in 05 whether you like it or not!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 24, 2005, 03:36:24 PM
"I hate Carroll only because in 2000.  We lost 42-7, it was snowing, and our bus broke down and we hung out in Waukesh, WI till 4 in the morning.  GO get em Scots"

Wow,  must have been scary for you Monmouth folks being in the big city so late at night  :D

Sorry, said in fun but it was just too good to resist.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2005, 10:43:20 PM
Wow, what a great weekend!  It was good to see all you Scots alumni back for homecoming.  Hope to get another turnout like that in a couple weeks for the Turkey Bowl (even though it's in Galesburg this year).

ICBlue - Thanks for showing MC some love in your last post.  It's always nice to see someone outside of the Scots Nation saying some kind words.

Papa, Old Fighting Scot - Yeah that was a terrible game at Carroll back in the 2000 season.  It was no fun getting drilled in the cold that day by the Pioneers and the broken down bus made it even worse.

Dolph - It's all good.  Not so much scary being there that late, more on the boring side just hanging out in Carroll's fieldhouse for so long that evening.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 24, 2005, 10:58:07 PM
Here you go Monmouth fans.

2005 All-Fantasy Third Team

Pos Player School Yr Ht Wt | Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Wk4 Wk5 Wk6 Wk7 Wk8 Avg | 2005 Statistics
QB Mitch Tanney Monmouth Sr 6-3 215 | 27 29 28 34 17 36 13 31 26.88 | 1885 PASS YDs, 181 RUSH YDs, 30 TDs, 3 INTs
RB Tyler Sherden Luther Jr 6-2 205 | 23 22 33 22 6 --- --- --- 21.20 | 837 RUSH/REC YDs, 11 TDs
RB Don Thibodeau Maine Maritime Sr 6-1 210 | --- 27 26 10 39 15 2 22 20.14 | 1315 RUSH/REC YDs, 12 TDs
WR Aaron Krepps Wash. & Jeff. Sr 6-0 205 | 31 15 6 18 15 28 10 9 16.50 | 847 RUSH/REC YDs, 14 TDs
WR Casey Allen Linfield Sr 6-3 225 | --- 23 16 --- 8 21 13 16 16.17 | 565 RUSH/REC YDs, 12 TDs
TE Ben Dull Hampden-Sydney Sr 6-2 230 | 11 22 --- 6 1 14 0 1 7.86 | 313 RUSH/REC YDs, 7 TDs


Throwing the dog a bone
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 24, 2005, 11:12:17 PM
With 2 or 3 weeks left in the season, depending on which team you cheer for, this is what I see happening.

Monmouth will win out and move on to the playoffs.  They have the offensive and defensive players of the year in conf.  Tanney is a lock and they should give it to Zigler.  Coach Bell could also repeat as coach of the year. 

St. Norbert will win out, and I don't know, but it would have been interesting if they would have played Monmouth later in the season.  They haven' played a close game since MC, but thats the way it goes.  No playoffs

Ripon should end up 7-3 but that is yet to be seen.  But with BC and Knox both on the road, and only Macalester at home they could trip up.

Carroll will not shock MC in Monmouth.  They end up 6-4 and are getting better. 

Lake Forest is in danger of having a losing season at 4-6 unless they somehow find a way to win in Appleton.  There is no possible way for them to hold SNC under 3 scores which is what they have to do in order to win, especially without the starting middle backer.  Wheels are off

IC, Beloit, Knox, and Lawrence are all middle of the road. 

Grinnell has already given up will not show up to play any more games this season.  Thank god that the worst team in D3 is on your schedule or else 0-10. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 25, 2005, 10:41:59 AM
Congrats to the Scots for another impressive win.  Sorry I could not see it in person, but I will be at the Knox game.  Good luck vs. Carroll!

Maverick and Silk:  Good to see you at the Bijou.  My ears have stopped ringing and I'm starting to get my voice back.  :D

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"  >:(
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 25, 2005, 02:44:46 PM
Carrol will BEAT MC this weekend!!!

If I was a gambling man, I'd say 31-30.  A tight one.

Anyone from Carroll agree, other than LU's own Schultz?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ccfan69 on October 25, 2005, 03:19:43 PM
Carroll will Win this weekend.  They have started to get that home field advantage and have the thought of not losing at home.  Now if they could just use that same thinking on the road they would have been in good shape this year.  GO Pioneers. 

This would be a big win for me since half of my family is from Monmouth!!!!!!!

Look for Fletcher to have a big game as it is his last one at Home
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 25, 2005, 03:22:36 PM
  Yes, that would be a great thing to have happen, but I am kind of hoping to see MC go through with the big 0 this season.  They have been working hard in the past years, and deserve this season.  Any other team but Norberts, has my vote to be #1 in the conference.  
 Early, what are you up to on Nov. 5th?  I will be heading to good ole shingles, to watch the game, my first one of the season, do you think you can make it?
 And to Cocco, since he is reading this site also, good luck this weekend against Cornell.  I remember when i was really young, the Cornell VS.  Coe game was always a huge game.  Now with Cornell not being as touch as they used to be I dont think its as big of a deal.  I will however be at the game and cheering on Coe, first Coe Vs. Cornell game that I have been to since 1993.  
 Good Luck to all this weekend!!  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 25, 2005, 04:58:30 PM
Hawk, I'm afraid I will not be able to make the Nov. 5th game.  I think that is against Macalester College.  I really don't even want to see that game.  That really is kinda like playing against a high school team.  Granted Macalester has very hard educational requirements, but we played them 2 years ago, and they were playing iron man football. 

When was the last time RC has beaten Norbs?  Has it really been like 6 years?  And with 2 weeks to prepare for THe Nights to roll in and get creamed. ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 25, 2005, 05:12:56 PM
Do I hear a fire Ernst cry???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 26, 2005, 08:48:11 AM
No that was NOT a fire Ernst cry.  I wouldn't do that.  I was literally just wondering when the last time we Red Hawks beat St. Norbert.  And that I was saying that I was hoping the hawks would have been more prepared for what the Nights were gonna do having 2 weeks to prepare.

Stop reading in between my lines Greg!!!  >:(
(sarcasm)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 26, 2005, 11:28:40 AM
SNC owns a 16-9 lead in the series, which dates to 1979. The Green Knights have won the last six games in the series, all under coach Jim Purtill, by an average score of 43-19. Before that, Ripon had won the previous four meetings by a total of 14 points.

Music to my ears
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUtickles on October 26, 2005, 11:41:15 AM
Help us Carroll College, you're our only hope!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 26, 2005, 11:44:56 AM
Boys it's time to show your support for D 3 football..

Vote Brett Elloitt   FROM D 3 Football   for the Heisman..  You can vote just like Hewy Long said "vote and vote offen"  once each week..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 26, 2005, 12:09:18 PM
I'll stick with Vince Young. But I'm sure Elliot appreciates the plug.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 26, 2005, 12:30:46 PM
CC has a slim chance b/c the weather will be sh*tty (may hinder the passing attack), they will be pumped (can play the spoiler), and officials in wisconsin always cheat! (j/k) (well kinda kidding). but....

MC will be prepared for the weather (it aint like our boys are from the south... well most of them arent) and we'll prolly just pound the turf with the running game.  MC knows that there are greater things at stake than just beating up on CC again (conference title, playoffs....).  And it is hard for officials to make too much of an impact in a game that should be lopsided anyway....

Final Score MC 35 CC 12

MC football in 05 whether you like it or not!!

as for the heisman.....  This is the only time i will ever vote for a Bush!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCGramps97 on October 26, 2005, 02:00:35 PM
2000 Carrol Game.
that was one of the worst experiences of my life. so freaking cold. the Rosster though got his first taste of snow. one of the funniest things i've ever seen. god love the rooster, running around with his tounge hanging out trying to catch snowflakes.
good luck to Bell and the boys, see you guys in a couple of weeks at the great Knuk Fox game. When are we gonna break into the top 25 on D III, I've seen us as high as 18 in the AFCA?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCGramps97 on October 26, 2005, 02:01:55 PM
sorry about the typo, rOOster not Rosster. i teach history for gosh sakes not spelling.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 26, 2005, 04:00:25 PM
Thank you all for the D3 support  Brett Elliot just moved into #10 place out of 41 nominees,,  Keep up the good work.. go  D3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 26, 2005, 06:04:16 PM
Attn: MWC Coaches

Anyone needing a fullback next season should contact Hudson High School regarding John Dolan. Despite his teams loss it was a tremendous individual performance here against D.C. Everest last night. I didn't check the stats but it seemed like he ran for 300 yards. I'll bet he had 150 though.

At 6'1" and 200 lbs he's probably a bit small to be a D1 player, but could be a stand out at the D3 level. He also plays linebacker.

Disclaimer: No I'm not related to, nor do I even know him. I'm just impressed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 26, 2005, 08:05:30 PM
UW-LAX at No. 24 at 3-3 in your latest d3 poll.  What a joke.

A loss is a loss, so I thought.  Who's stuffing the ballots? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2005, 10:41:18 PM
Scottie - Good to hear that you've recovered from the Bijou on Saturday night.  I've perfected that "Bijou recovery skill" into a process that usually takes just one day!  :D

MCGramps97 - I think Rooster getting his first taste of snow during that game is about the only good memory from that weekend at Carroll in 2000.

Nice story in the Around the Midwest column about one of MC's captains...congrats Dihle!

Good luck this weekend Scots!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on October 26, 2005, 10:52:53 PM
Thank You Midwest Conference Voters:
For those of you who cast your vote today for Elliot for the Heisman---we say thank you.  Coast to Coast the D3 voters showed up today in impressive numbers and cast over 800 votes for Elliot.  Great showing for D3 football.  The 800+
votes put Elliot in #7 out of 41 spots on the list.  Keep those votes coming on behalf of D3 football --- it will help everyone if D3 gets some recognition it so deserves.

If you haven't yet voted, you may vote for Elliot at the following website www.votefor heisman.com

Thanks again for your support of D3 football!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on October 26, 2005, 11:01:59 PM
Just cast my vote for Elliot.

In my opinion, he is only the second best story at Linfield this year.  The fact that a football program at any level of college ball is about to complete their 50th straight season with a winning record defies belief.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 27, 2005, 03:37:59 PM
Do the top two teams (in each region)get first round bye's? If that is the case does that mean that MC (as of right now) will get Coe in the first round?  OMG, could that be any more huge than MC getting to play an IIAC.  This could have huge ramifications.  Recruiting, Repect, Conference Rankings....

I would definitely have to be at that one in person!!!!!

MC Football in 05, whether you like it or not!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 27, 2005, 03:49:17 PM
Early Lines:


Only game that matters

MC @ CC    MC  -14


What's left

GC @ SNC   SNC -38

RC @ BC      RC  -8

KC @ IC       IC  -13

LFC @ LU     LU  -4


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 27, 2005, 04:44:01 PM
According to the current regional rankings...

MC would be in line to play either #3 St. Johns or #4 Occidental. 

Since MC would be the road team in either case, i would definitely prefer Oxy.  A 1.5 hr. drive (30 bucks for gas) or a 3 hr. flight (150 bucks for a plane ticket).  Plus the weather would be better for the MC offensive attack out here in Southern Cali vs. the would be torrential winter of Minny.

this is very interesting....

MC Football in 05, whether you like it or not!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ccpio46 on October 27, 2005, 10:09:26 PM
People shouldn't chalk 1 up in the W column for monmouth until the games over.  The pios (as opposed to the grinnell neers) have a solid D, and can run and pass the ball, if Carroll gets all three teams going they are a tough team to beat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2005, 09:42:51 AM
I don't think the recent posts have been chalking up a MC win over Carroll, just predicting playoff possibilities.  At this point, it seems as if Monmouth has essentially clinched a playoff birth.  If Monmouth lost at Carroll, they still hold the tie-breker with SNC.  And if Monmouth DID lose to Carroll, I would not want to be wearing a purple & gold uniform the following Saturday.

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 11:53:20 AM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on October 26, 2005, 08:05:30 PM
UW-LAX at No. 24 at 3-3 in your latest d3 poll.  What a joke.

A loss is a loss, so I thought.  Who's stuffing the ballots? 

Definitely not true. A loss to Division I-AA South Dakota, for example, is not a loss at all, frankly, for the voters' purposes.

It's hard to drop from #11 all the way out of the poll, especially since neither loss is a bad loss. One of the losses is to the #2 team in the country.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 28, 2005, 11:55:51 AM
CCPIO,

Ok, "if" CC is able to have all aspects of their team clicking on saturday they "could" give MC "some" problems... Ill give you that.

But.....

When MC comes out firing and hitting on all cylinders they will weather any early initial hyped up storm from CC and then MC will win by at least three touchdowns.  CC has shown some signs of being a decent opponent, and it may take the Scotties a little bit of time to warm up.  But when that snowball gets rolling it will be like every other game this year.  

MC 35 CC 13

MC Football in 05, whether you like it or not!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ballhawk42 on October 28, 2005, 12:36:28 PM
Any scottish alums gonna be at carroll?  there will be a drunken hawk in the crowd... go scots!!!FINISH
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 28, 2005, 01:21:07 PM
QuoteWhen MC comes out firing and hitting on all cylinders they will weather any early initial hyped up storm from CC and then MC will win by at least three touchdowns.  CC has shown some signs of being a decent opponent, and it may take the Scotties a little bit of time to warm up.  But when that snowball gets rolling it will be like every other game this year.

THIS reminds me of HIGH school ball.  You're GOING to lose.  No QUESTION about it.  TRUST me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 28, 2005, 02:21:58 PM
OFS, maybe I spoke too soon. While enjoying my day at work, I looked on the West playoffs slug.  You're working overtime for SNC and the MWC. 

Thanks ---------- I think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 28, 2005, 02:32:38 PM
BOLD   statement from Mr. Pawlik.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blueboy on October 28, 2005, 04:25:06 PM
Mr. Coleman...your post is accurate about UW-LaX but if you want to talk about quality loses, look at SNC.  A loss to UW-Whitewater as well as Monmouth....both who happen to be undefeated teams.  The WIAC is a great conference but come on, it's easy to kick SNC out of the rankings for you guys but they still only have 2 loses???  If UW-Lax still has respect after losing to the #2 team in the nation, what about SNC??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ECGolds04 on October 28, 2005, 05:39:58 PM
I was wondering if anyone could fill me in on who to watch for when at the Carrol vs. Monmouth game. I live about 5 minutes from the stadium and was thinking of going to the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 28, 2005, 06:56:19 PM
The MC offense and the MC defense......

MC football in 05, whether you like it or not!!!!

Look for the Tanney to Haffner connection on O, as well as check out Dante Daniels, he is FAST!!

Next Look for Zigler on D, he is a beast and bast is a shutdown corner if there is such a thing anymore (in regards to D3 football and the MWC).  The D-line is also very very talented and from what i understand they go about 6 or 7 deep.

So pretty much look for MC to dominate
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on October 28, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
Sure, SNC and LAX each lost to Whitewater. But let's be realistic: Only the UWW-LX contest was a game. SNC was kicked up and down the field by WW, while LAX gave WW everything it could handle.

Plus the turd on SNC's schedule is a loss to MC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 07:51:54 PM
Quote from: blueboy on October 28, 2005, 04:25:06 PM
Mr. Coleman...your post is accurate about UW-LaX but if you want to talk about quality loses, look at SNC.  A loss to UW-Whitewater as well as Monmouth....both who happen to be undefeated teams.  The WIAC is a great conference but come on, it's easy to kick SNC out of the rankings for you guys but they still only have 2 loses???  If UW-Lax still has respect after losing to the #2 team in the nation, what about SNC??

You've got to be kidding:
UW-Whitewater 45, St. Norbert 7
UW-Whitewater 29, UW-La Crosse 23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LFCdad on October 28, 2005, 09:33:47 PM
Pat you've got to be the one thats kidding .Carroll lost at Carthage 14-10 and lost  to Norberts 48-28 .Therefor  Norberts would beat Carthage by two scores.Talk about high school thinking.Come on Pat you better have something better than that!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2005, 10:18:26 PM
Exerpts from a brief conversation while The Roop was having dinner in downtown Beloit tonight.

Hey Coach, it's Ripon tomorrow. Run up the score.

I hope so.

Then mutual pats on the back were exchanged.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2005, 01:06:23 AM
Play that Carroll/Carthage game tomorrow and see if the wide receivers starting in their first game drop the five catches IN THE END ZONE again.

I am not sure you know a lot about how the Carroll/Carthage game went down.

I have something better than that, too -- next year keep in mind that Week 4 is too early for you to be asking about Pool C bids. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcalum on October 29, 2005, 07:09:02 AM
One of the great things that former head coach Chad Eisele did at LFC was asked that none of our fans, players or any other individual who supported our program, take an active role in discussions boards such as this.  Now, I do agree it can be interesting to read and even informative, but when comments made begin to slightly embarass the program something must be done.  As a strong supporter of LFC football and member of our MWC Championship team, I ask that all LFC'ers who don't know what the heck they are talking about to refrain from posting.  Seriously, show some class.  Good Luck to the MWC teams as the season winds down and Playoffs begin.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 29, 2005, 12:47:37 PM
Pat, reminds me of the national media, for which I believe you work full-time. 

I know nothing about a lot of teams, LAX included.  I have seen a couple SNC games this year. That's it.

I just wonder how, going strictly on stats and hear say, you make such sound judgments.  Sure, this is your "other" business, but as I was reading your bios, the one thing that stuck out was circled around having a love for the small school game, or getting d3 athletes recognition for all their hard work.  Totally agreed that's a good cause, but your statements don't always refelct objectivity and support that I would hope you represent. 

Hey, it's your field.  I'm just playing on it.  But that's where some stumble when reading some of your copy.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2005, 05:18:07 PM
28-22 Bucs Win, Bucs Win, Bucs Win.................

Side notes from today:

1. Popcorn not as salty as it once was but did taste like it had been around a while.

2. The remodel of the Stadium is great. The pics on the website don't do it justice.

3. On the way home I saw a Monte Carlo that had been raised to accomodate 20" wheels with spinners. Only in Beloit. We love Beloit............ We Love IT.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2005, 05:33:46 PM
To those of you hoping for and predicting a Carroll win over Monmouth today, I'm sorry to disappoint you...actually I'm happy to disappoint you.  ;)

Monmouth 35 - Carroll 27

Found the final score on Carroll's webcast page--don't have any details on how the game went other than seeing that the score around halftime was Monmouth leading 28-7 or something close to that.  Congrats to the Scots, now it's time to finish the deal in the Turkey Bowl next Saturday!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2005, 08:18:23 PM
Glad to see that Monmouth will run the table now. Hopefully that carries over into some post season success. That's probably the only way they (or any future MWC Champion) will earn any respect on the national level. Having seen a WIAA Play Off game Tuesday and the Beloit-Ripon game today. I can't tell much difference between MWC and High School Football. The playbooks may even be the same.

MWC athletes are bigger but WIAA Play Off teams throw the ball better. Special teams play is a toss up.

I believe it was Dolph that pointed out a few weeks ago that football would never be a priority for MWC teams like it is in other conferences. Not sure if that's good or bad but that's just how it is. That being said I thoroughly enjoyed the BC-RC game today. Great fake PAT for a 2 pointer by the Redmen to make it nerve racking towards the end.

The officials let them play today and while I didn't care for it at times, Beloit simply outplayed Ripon to earn the victory in Coach DeGeorges home finale.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bobturkviking on October 29, 2005, 09:22:36 PM
Pat - As a longtime reader of D3 I'm thourghougly disappointed in regards to your growing bias against the MWC.  Your take on the Carroll/Carthage game is the straw that broke the camels back.  As you were obviously not at the game (I'm a Carroll fan, and if you were at the game I'm sure I would have heard about it by now), you would not only know that Carthage didn't even drop 1 TD pass (although they did drop several passes, one of which would have definitely LED to a TD), but you would also know that they faked 4 punts that led directly to them winning the game (as both of their TDs were on drives extended by fake punts).   As far as the conference as a whole being bad, it is clearly not.  There are 3, maybe 4 teams that are at the top and will be for the forseeable future, and some bottom rung teams that will remain there.  Not unlike the CCIW of much of the 80s and 90s.  We may be in a different class than the WIAC, but it is not like we're the NEFC or something.  Maybe you should actually take in a MWC game sometime before passing judgement (and not just a playoff game, or a Ripon/Beloit/Grinnell game with high school offense and defense being played).   Don't get me wrong as I appreciate all that you have done for d3 football in general, but please remember that you are a conduit for the growing of our level of football, and not a decision maker (at least I don't think you are, and hope you are not).  Thanks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2005, 11:08:00 PM
I am not biased against the MWC, I am simply realistic. Sometimes objectivity can seem like bias if you are so deep into your program. You obviously have a different viewpoint.

I have never said you were the NEFC, and oddly enough, we don't rank the MWC as if it were. So I think we're set. The bottom two conferences (NEFC and IBFC) are head and shoulders below the rest. Until the UMAC becomes a Division III conference, nobody will challenge those two for the bottom -- barring an extreme influx of talent and playoff success.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2005, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: "The Roop" on October 29, 2005, 08:18:23 PM
Having seen a WIAA Play Off game Tuesday and the Beloit-Ripon game today. I can't tell much difference between MWC and High School Football. The playbooks may even be the same.

MWC athletes are bigger but WIAA Play Off teams throw the ball better.

Roop - You said that the game you watched today was Ripon vs. Beloit and that WIAA playoff teams throw the ball better than MWC teams.  The way I'm thinking this through is since RC and BC aren't really teams that like to throw the ball around (pretty sure both are option or wing T styles of offense), it's no wonder you think WIAA playoff teams throw the ball better than MWC teams.  The QB's for those 2 MWC teams aren't drop-back passers--they're better suited to be running QB's.  If you watched a Monmouth or Carroll game for example, I'm sure you would see a difference between high school QB's and those in the MWC.  Anyone else feel the same or differently?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 30, 2005, 09:28:25 AM
Maverick couldnt have said it better myself.  Yes both teams are an option style offense, with RIpon being a triple option, so when they decided to pass(maybe twice a game) its not something that the qb is going to excel at, since that is not a big practice point in practice.  From what i heard it wasnt a very good game for the hawks, but they did make it interesting to the end with the 2 point converson, and the chance to win the game if there was a stand on the defensive side of the ball.  I do have to say though, as knowing DeGeorge for about 19 years, I am glad to see him win his last home game, but sorry to have it had been against RC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 30, 2005, 11:54:05 AM
GO SCOTS!  I was at the Carroll/Monmouth game.  I was impressed with the Carroll team.  Monmouth jumped out to a 28-7 lead at halftime.  Carroll came back at made a hell of a game out of it.  Personally, i think that Carool screwed up and should of kicked a field goal with 5 minutes left, instead opted to go for the touchdown.  They turned the ball over but ended up kicking a field goal 2 minutes later.  If they would have kicked the field goal they would have a great opportunity to tie the game.  Hats off to the Carroll players, they played hard and there QB is a heck of player.  Congrads again to the first ever playoff appearence and conference champion for the Fighting Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 30, 2005, 08:27:55 PM
Congratulations are in order:


Monmouth College clinches a playoff spot

Coach DeGeorge wins his last home game

Lawrence University hanging half a hundred on LFC

Casey Meehan career rushing and scoring leader at SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2005, 09:18:52 AM
Too many posts to catch up on for proper responses to all of the main topics over the weekend.   Just a few observations:

Congrats to Monmouth, of course.  But let's not start calling ourselves 10-0 just yet...Awh, who am I kidding?  It's turkey time!  I'll be at the game.

To all of the children reading this site: This weekend was the reason you shouldn't bet on college athletics.  To say I was surprised by the MWC scores is an understatement.

Don't ask the Coleman Mafia about their business.  It's hard to type with broken thumbs.

"Monmouth Football ini 2005!"   >:(
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 31, 2005, 02:33:32 PM
I know people are entitled to their own opinions, but why would anyone try to tell Pat his are wrong.  I am going out on a limb to say he knows more about other teams and who they play compared anyone on this little MWC board!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on October 31, 2005, 03:14:52 PM
Suck up!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on October 31, 2005, 04:44:59 PM
I am going to guess the pcole has not seen MC or any other MWC team in recent memory that wasnt playing St. Johns or some other beast in the first round of the playoffs.

So....

I personally invite pcole to the MC vs. Nubs game next year at Bobby Woll.  I bet i could even get the AD to offer up a seat in the Luxurious Press Box which overlooks the field from the north side bleachers (those of you familiar with MC have to be smiling).

How bout it Pcole.  Come experience Scots Nation first hand.

MC Football in 05' whether you like it or not!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2005, 05:59:44 PM
Heck, come over to Galesburg, IL this Saturday and watch one of the oldest football rivalries in the country (#6?).  Despite the host school, the venue of the is about as festive (ie. enthusiastically obnxious) as you can get.  You won't be able to hear anything from their P.A. system, but what else is new?  You'll be right on top of the action and are sure to see some creative, um, t-shirt designs. 

Don't need a haiku
To promote Monmouth Nation
Join us for Turkey

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2005, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on October 31, 2005, 04:44:59 PM
I am going to guess the pcole has not seen MC or any other MWC team in recent memory that wasnt playing St. Johns or some other beast in the first round of the playoffs.

So....

I personally invite pcole to the MC vs. Nubs game next year at Bobby Woll.  I bet i could even get the AD to offer up a seat in the Luxurious Press Box which overlooks the field from the north side bleachers (those of you familiar with MC have to be smiling).

How bout it Pcole.  Come experience Scots Nation first hand.

MC Football in 05' whether you like it or not!!!

Tell ya what -- if Monmouth hosts St. Norbert next year you can count on me being there.

Listen, folks, it's this simple. Monmouth has no track record. You can't wrap yourself in St. Norbert's playoff competitiveness and claim it for yourselves, it doesn't work that way, especially since Lake Forest laid an egg the year it won the league. You have to develop your own track record and since you didn't do it in the regular season either of the past two seasons, you'll have to do it in the playoffs.

I hope Monmouth can schedule even a middle-of-the-pack IIAC or MIAC team for its non-conference game in the future. Simpson, Coe, Bethel and St. Thomas are all on our Open Dates board for next year in the first two weeks. Hopefully Monmouth is done with CUW.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 01, 2005, 12:41:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2005, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on October 31, 2005, 04:44:59 PM
I am going to guess the pcole has not seen MC or any other MWC team in recent memory that wasnt playing St. Johns or some other beast in the first round of the playoffs.

So....

I personally invite pcole to the MC vs. Nubs game next year at Bobby Woll.  I bet i could even get the AD to offer up a seat in the Luxurious Press Box which overlooks the field from the north side bleachers (those of you familiar with MC have to be smiling).

How bout it Pcole.  Come experience Scots Nation first hand.

MC Football in 05' whether you like it or not!!!

Tell ya what -- if Monmouth hosts St. Norbert next year you can count on me being there.

Listen, folks, it's this simple. Monmouth has no track record. You can't wrap yourself in St. Norbert's playoff competitiveness and claim it for yourselves, it doesn't work that way, especially since Lake Forest laid an egg the year it won the league. You have to develop your own track record and since you didn't do it in the regular season either of the past two seasons, you'll have to do it in the playoffs.

I hope Monmouth can schedule even a middle-of-the-pack IIAC or MIAC team for its non-conference game in the future. Simpson, Coe, Bethel and St. Thomas are all on our Open Dates board for next year in the first two weeks. Hopefully Monmouth is done with CUW.

pcole - I think the MWC re-configures the schedule after every 4th season; meaning that after the 2005 season is over with, it could be time to have the schedule re-drawn--not completely sure, but I think that is how it's worked in the past.  But if the schedule isn't re-drawn after this season, it would be St. Norbert's turn to play at Monmouth in 2006 and I'm sure Old Fighting Scot would hold you to your promise of being there. :P  As for non-MWC games of the future: Monmouth is done with CUW and has done better than just a "middle-of-the-pack IIAC or MIAC team" for their non-conference game in the next 2 years.  Wartburg is slated for a home-and-home series in 2006 (at Wartburg) and 2007 (at Monmouth).  I'd say that going off their track record, that's a pretty nice non-conference game for the Scots!

scottie - Should be interesting to see what kind of creative t-shirt designs are present at this year's Turkey Bowl.  See ya there or at the Bijou afterwards!

Old Fighting Scot - It just doesn't get any better than that press box over the east side bleachers at Bobby Woll Memorial Field.  Nothing quite like it...

Hawk Sighting - Thanks for the props, I was pretty sure I knew what I was talking about for once! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: NINJA MASTER on November 01, 2005, 01:29:42 AM
MC at KC in bowl Sat.
Knox must pray for Rain... if it rains KC in upset by 2
If it is dry Monmouth by 70.
you ask...oh great ninja...how can there be such a difference.
I reply....Knox has good run D and decent run game...if wet Knox may squeak one out...but if dry oh my, Monmouth will use Knox as practice dummies preparing for the playoffs
You plead for the outcome as you can't wait for sat. 
Please great wise one...tell us! tell us now!!
Again I reply...it will be wet...KC 12  MC 20...WITH no made extra points (mark it down you will see!)  Lastly, I also see drunk people gathered...shouting obsenities toward each other!...alright that was a gimme.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2005, 04:58:48 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 01, 2005, 12:41:00 AM
pcole - I think the MWC re-configures the schedule after every 4th season; meaning that after the 2005 season is over with, it could be time to have the schedule re-drawn--not completely sure, but I think that is how it's worked in the past.  But if the schedule isn't re-drawn after this season, it would be St. Norbert's turn to play at Monmouth in 2006 and I'm sure Old Fighting Scot would hold you to your promise of being there. :P 

And if it's not at Monmouth then no deal, exactly. :)

Good step-up-the-schedule move for Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2005, 08:58:37 AM
The addition of Wartburg to Monmouth's schedule was mentioned on this board a few weeks ago.  A competent moderator would have caught that...   :D   For some of the relatively new posters on this board, I should tell you that "pcole" has never lost an argument.

Just kidding, Patrick!


Ninja is confused
Makes no difference wet or dry
Monmouth by fifty

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on November 01, 2005, 10:02:07 AM
Oh Great Ninja,
It could actually be raining turkeys and the Scots will put up half a hundo. You cant find a student on the MC campus that knows what its like to have a bad turkey bowl. The last Knox student to enjoy a turkey bowl victory is now a resident at shady acres retirement home in Boca Da Vista, Florida (He and I talked, it was a big day for him).
The Scoties haven't let down the nation yet and definitely wont on this most cherished of games. I only wish I could be up there (stupid wedding).
Maverick, ya got any ideas of who and where were going to be playing. I think I could slip away for a weekend and hop a plane for the playoffs. I'll just tell Christina that I'm going to go and do some grading at school.
Well the Mitchell Mustangs have to get ready for their last game of the season. We need a win to finish 500. On a bright note, with 100 more yards passing and 50 yards rushing our sophomore QB will have 1,000 and 1,000.
My PMS is really starting to burn.
Half a HUNDO. STRAIGHT from the Rooster's mouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ccfan69 on November 01, 2005, 10:02:32 AM
Congrats to Monmouth.  I think you guys are going to shock a lot of people out there in the nation.  You have a tough team carried by a great qb.


Carroll in '06
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUtickles on November 01, 2005, 10:09:39 AM
MC vs. SNC having a D-coordinator for more than 1 week and it's a different story.  I hope you enjoy the beating you get in the 1st round.  Also, expect a beat down next year at your place. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 01, 2005, 10:45:14 AM
Quote from: LUtickles on November 01, 2005, 10:09:39 AM
MC vs. SNC having a D-coordinator for more than 1 week and it's a different story. I hope you enjoy the beating you get in the 1st round. Also, expect a beat down next year at your place.

Could it be Hulk Hogan?

LU put some numbers up last week.  Looks like Ram Rod, Tickle me Osol and Thee Coach Schultz are cooking with gas.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 01, 2005, 10:58:25 AM
There will be no beating down of the Fighting Scots, period.  Not in the turkey bowl (ninja, i refuse to believe, that even you think the fairie fire have a chance), not in the first round of the playoffs, and definitely not at Bobby Woll next year against Nubs.....

PCole, i will be contacting the AD to put an extra cushion on the V.I.P chair for ya.  Think of the game as research, if you actually see the best MWC football in person it would be hard for us to yell bias, when MC goes 10-0 and still isnt ranked, or when MC becomes the only 9-1 team in like 10 years not to make the playoffs.  Also, It would  be hard for you not to give respect to the Scots Nation when we show you what we have all been saying for two years now.  Yes indeed, those boys down at MC can play some football.

MC Football by 50 in the Turkey Bowl, whether the Fairie Fire like it or not!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCGramps97 on November 01, 2005, 11:36:35 AM
Hello Gentlemen, old 97 here, hope to see some of the oldtimers up at the game this weekend. i'm bringing some students so i wont be joining you at the B-pub, but i'd love to catch up a bit. Good luck Scots!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 01, 2005, 12:24:56 PM
Tickets to the Knox-Monmouth Game: $5

2 cases of beer before the game:  $25

Knuck Fox T-shirt:  $12

Being drunk and watching Monmouth win the Turkey Bowl and the outright conference championship:  PRICELESS.

Good luck this Saturday!  D-Line let me hear that god awful song that Ole has taught oh so well, that we will be singing till were in our grave
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 01, 2005, 12:54:11 PM
You MC guys are making asses out of yourselves.

After you get it handed to you vs. UWW or the Johnnies, are you still going to whistle dixie about how you're the best, blah blah blah.

You're team is not that good.  And that's coming from a staunch supporter of this conference.  Hell, even Ripon thinks you're not that good. The Knuck Fox shirt is the best thing posted from you guys since the losing ended.

Quit crying dynasty.  It'll end soon enough.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 01, 2005, 02:11:05 PM
Paws Lick,

Just wait til next year.  You guys got beat, there is nothing u can say to deter the snowball effect which is SCOTS NATION!! 

The recent post are a direct reflection of the 6th oldest football rivalry in the U.S.  Duke-NC, USC-ND, Moreno Valley-Valley View (southern cali, h.s. football-a special place in my heart) have got nothing on Knuck Fox-MC. 

The atmosphere will be electric and the consumption of alcoholic beverages has been so rampant that it has been rumored that some people have become inebriated (sp?) from osmosis, or immaculate consumption, just from being around the game.

Also i hate to say it, but the Knox Bowl is a very unique place to watch football, and a great place when the scotties are stomping out the prairie fire.

MC is no flash in the pan, three losses in the last three years, and only getting better, the program is becoming more complete and we will only become more dominant.  it will probably be a great MC-SNC rivalry for years to come, b/c MC is here to stake their claim to the MWC.

if i wanted to be obnoxious i would bring up the numerous times in the past 5 years that MC couldve and maybe shouldve beaten SNC before this illustrious year.

MC Football in 05, whether Paws Licker likes it or not!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 01, 2005, 02:38:03 PM
04 - SNC 55-19 at MC
03 - SNC 38-15 at SNC
02 - SNC 28-21 at MC
01 - SNC 31-7 at SNC
00 - SNC 45-0 at MC

Before a win this season, the Skirts have been outscored 197-62.
During this stretch,  I see one game you were in.  Suprisingly enough, I believe that was the game O'Grady ran for a school-record 200 and some odd yards.

197-62.  Wow!   There's no rivalry here champ.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 01, 2005, 02:47:36 PM
O'Grady ran for his record in 2000 Meacher.  That was the same year we held our "conference rivals" to one play on our side of the 50 yard line.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 01, 2005, 02:49:11 PM
And it was 283 yards in about three full quarters.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2005, 02:52:13 PM
I guess this would be the time to say that the views expressed by some of the posters on this board don't necessarily reflect the entire population they represent...or something like that.

Greg - by now you should know that I am a realist.  And, whereas I am overly excited about this season and proud of our accomplishments in recent years, I am still taking it (basically) one game at a time.

With that said, your comment about the Monmouth fans making a$$e$ out of themselves only brings back memories of how the rest of us must have felt reading all the SNC posts over the last few years which used to take up 75% of this board.

The challenge I pose to Monmouth Nation is to win with some dignity.   When it comes to the post season, I've always rooted for the MWC representative regardless of what color they wore.  I would hope that the rest of you would do the same.

CHEERS  >:(

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2005, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 01, 2005, 08:58:37 AM
The addition of Wartburg to Monmouth's schedule was mentioned on this board a few weeks ago. 

Sorry. I don't visit the whining boards quite as often.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2005, 04:26:06 PM
Mr. Coleman, you forgot to copy the rest of my sentence - when I JOKINGLY implied that our moderator was incompetent. 

Oh well, another MWC putdown by the site administrator...  It's starting to get old.

"Possibly Scottie's last post in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 01, 2005, 05:33:58 PM
    Monmouth plays at SNC in week 6 of the 2006 season but you knew that already, didn't you Pat?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on November 01, 2005, 05:51:02 PM
Dear SNC fans,
Riddle me this.
Who are yall playing in the play-offs?
Thats right, Beeelow me.
Now any way.
"HIGH ABOVE THE HILLS OF GALESBURG."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on November 01, 2005, 05:51:39 PM
"THERES AN AWFUL SMELL"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2005, 06:58:18 PM
PapaSmurf, what, me? :)

Yes, St. Norbert's schedule is posted on its web site. I may have been informed of its contents before I made my post.

If I move back to the Midwest it will be easier to see MWC games. But then again, I hadn't seen a SCIAC team or an HCAC team or a CCIW team before they came out to the east coast in recent years either. If a team comes out this direction I make an effort to get to see them in person.

Scottie, I got the joke, just didn't feel the need to repeat it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on November 01, 2005, 07:04:14 PM
Hostility

Why can't we all just get along?   :(

Just keep our cool  8)

Peace, love and.....ok I couldn't keep it going. 

Greg, MC is having a great season.  And SNC has been dominant in MWC football history and yes SNC fans do brag about it.  Just as MC fans are now.  If Ripon was undefeated and ready for a playoff run I would be braggin about it too....so it all is relative.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 01, 2005, 07:57:06 PM
That's already been established.  Great season - awesome team - let's get drunk - turkey - haikus - fairies







Sorry about the spaces. Your mom called. She wants her titties back.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 01, 2005, 09:33:44 PM
Wow!  Everyone's back to being pissed off at each other again.  You got anything to calm these people down Early? :D

Ninja just jumped straight out of left field with his first ever post--pretty sure that regardless of rain or not, Monmouth will roll over Knox and remind them of just how bad they are at this great game.

FloridaScot - It remains to be seen as to where the Scots will be in the playoffs.  Could be anywhere from here to Wisconsin to the west coast.  Still too many important games left to be played in alot of other conferences.  You should definitely hop a plane and find your way to it though; rumor has it that the skinny wide receiver with the freakish shoulder is going to be making the trip also for the first round game.

ccfan69 - It's good to see someone outside of Scots Nation actually says they're a good team and not just some fluke team or something like that.

Some of the SNC fans - Sounds like sour grapes to me.  SNC had their shot and blew a 20-7 lead with around 17 minutes left in the game.  If the new D-coordinator was the problem, then why did the Knights have little troubles holding the Scots in check for the most part during the first half and the majority of the 3rd quarter?  MC stayed the course throughout the game, never got impatient with the gameplan, made the plays when they needed to, and pulled out a great road win.

MCGramps97 - Will be sure to keep an eye out for you and your students at the Knox Bowl on Saturday.

scottie - They don't realize that saying things like that about the MC posters (making asses of ourselves while talking about our team) is like the pot calling the kettle black.  They did it all the time, now it's our turn to brag on our team for awhile.  I suggest that if someone doesn't like reading what the MC fans post and discuss about this quality Fighting Scots team, don't come and check the boards--sound fair enough? ;)  Just more sour grapes because that dynasty from 1999-2004 is done with and there won't be a trip to the playoffs this season. 

Damn, that's alot of typing trying to keep up with how much the board rolled over today.  I'm outta here...  PMS!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: dw71911 on November 02, 2005, 10:33:45 AM
Congrats to MC's Justin Zigler for making D3 team of the week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbdriver on November 02, 2005, 11:36:50 AM
Iowa Conference Here,

Congrats to the Scots!  You have had a great season.  It is good to see great football and improving teams and conferences.  Norbert should stop complaining and enjoy the fact that your conference is represented and getting the recognition.  Regarding the playoffs, I think most of us here in the Midwest will stay here for the first round if at all possible.  I know the NCAA does not like to fly teams in the first round if at all possible.   It cost about 50K for a team to fly, but they may have to.   The west coast teams will probably be forced to play each other unless there are three of them then one of them will be making the flight.  Here's the bracket as projected by D3 Football.  It is incorrect as they state and probably will have the MN league runner-up in there to replace Central, Wartburg or Coe depending on how things play out. 

Linfield Bracket
1. Linfield
2. St. John's
3. Occidental
4. Coe
5. Monmouth
6. Whitworth
7. Central
8. Wartburg

As you can see UWW has been shipped to a different region which is a high probability.   Here are the probable matchups:

1 - Two of the three west coast teams will play each other with Linfield as the host.

2 - The other west coast team will most likely be shipped to St John's

3 - That leaves Monmouth, Two Iowa Conference Teams, and Concordia Moorhead to play each other.  That's assuming Concordia takes care of St Olaf this weekend.  Who knows how the NCAA will match them up.  Coe or Concordia would be the toughest draws........they are both still stinging from close losses to their arch rivals.  Coe lost by 3 to Wartburg and Concordia lost by 4 to St Johns with 49 seconds left to play.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tps040580 on November 02, 2005, 04:17:17 PM
I think the Scots would be happy to get a five seed. With SNC having to get to the playoffs several years before hosting, a home game is not realistic. Hopefully they won't get shipped out to St. Johns, Linfield, or Occidental.  The distance and the quality of opponent would make for a tough one. No offense to the IIAC, but Coe would be work out better.  Oh well, that is still two weeks away. I guess this is what happens when there is no drama for the final two weeks. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2005, 04:22:53 PM
Do the top seeds (1 & 2) usually get a first round bye?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tps040580 on November 02, 2005, 04:27:04 PM
32 team playoff this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 02, 2005, 04:41:39 PM
Paws Lick,

In 99, Nubs Scored 27 4th quarter points to win by 13 at MC...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 02, 2005, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 02, 2005, 04:41:39 PM
Paws Lick,

In 99, Nubs Scored 27 4th quarter points to win by 13 at MC...



OK, thanks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 02, 2005, 04:59:29 PM
Some of you guys are totally off base....

Bragging and saying your team should win are too different things.

There has been very little bragging by the Scots Nation this year.  The only real bragging or trash talking has only been recent as we play the fairie fire this week our most hated and bitter rival.  anyone who has ever been an athlete will understand this sentiment.  As for trash talk against other opponents i do believe it has not been any worse than what Nubs has been saying on this board for years.   >:(

I do believe that the MC posters have given SNC all the respect in the world as a very good, and up until recently, a dominant opponent.  Paws Lick, you yourself have seen me advocate for Nubs as quality (and playoff worthy) team on other boards.  Nubs is good, just not good enough this year.... ;D

i dont know why it needs to be said that some posters do not represent all of scots nation.  People are free to post as they wish and their views should be held against them individually. It is very obvious that the Scots Nation mantra has reached an epidemic proportions and its reach goes from Cali to Fla. and all parts in between.   :o

Pcole, cant wait to see you at Bobby Woll.

Paws Lick, good luck to ya next year...

Scottie, Maverick and the rest of Scots Nation, your nation is only as strong as its weakest link..... ;D (oh, and piss of a fairie fire student for me).

MC Football in 05 (and dare i say beyond), whether you like it or not!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2005, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 02, 2005, 04:59:29 PM

Pcole, cant wait to see you at Bobby Woll.


I only agreed to come for the 2006 game against St. Norbert. Sounds like you didn't hold up your end of the bargain to provide an actual game. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2005, 11:12:53 PM
qbdriver,

Based on the teams forecasted to make the playoffs you can count on seedings by economics. One half of the bracket will have Monmouth @Coe and Central @St. Johns. The California half of the bracket will be Whitworth @Occidental and Wartburg (or MN runner up) @Linfield. With the NCAA praying for a Linfield win. Given the cost of flying football teams around, I can't say I blame them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkalum on November 03, 2005, 01:03:57 AM
Hey Midwest conference,
I just want to congratulate Monmouth, on winnign the conference,and getting the automatic bid. You guys deserve an automatic bid no matter what anyone says,and yes there are people out there that say the MWC doesn't deserve a automatic bid.
Anyways it looks like a MWC-WIAC match up will have to occur later in the playoffs, as Whitewater is most likely going to be shifted to the North region. Which avoids us having to go to Linfield right away.
Anyways good luck,and do some damage in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ccfan69 on November 03, 2005, 10:43:06 AM
I can't believe everything that is going on here and being said.  Monmouth is a good team and for those of you that have seen them play this year you can't deny that no matter what team you are cheering for.  I think that Monmouth will do very well in the playoffs and its not about what team is there right now.  Monmouth won the conference fairly and I think everyone in the MWC should be supporting them.  They need our support to go out into the nation and show them that the MWC does have good teams.  This is more then just Monmouth getting a chance in the playoffs they are representing OUR conference, now lets support them!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2005, 11:10:10 AM
BRAVO!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 03, 2005, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: "The Roop" on November 02, 2005, 11:12:53 PM
qbdriver,

Based on the teams forecasted to make the playoffs you can count on seedings by economics. One half of the bracket will have Monmouth @Coe and Central @St. Johns. The California half of the bracket will be Whitworth @Occidental and Wartburg (or MN runner up) @Linfield. With the NCAA praying for a Linfield win. Given the cost of flying football teams around, I can't say I blame them.


Rooper, 
The NCAA would save more $$$ if they prayed for a cat loss ,  :'( Then no flights to Oregon).. but they know better..  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 03, 2005, 11:42:16 AM
No one is cheering against them.

But let's get a few things straight.

You're not my rival if I knock you on your a$$ almost every season and I slip and fall on my own a$$ for a single season.  Beat SNC on a regular basis and we'll start talking rivalry.

Spare us the dynasty bs.  Come talk to us when you've put together six of these bad boys in a row or even three for that matter and we'll start talking dynasty.  SNC has won ten MWC titles since it entered the conference twenty years ago.  Since 1953, this is only the fourth time Monmouth has managed to take the conference title.  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

With respect to THIS YEAR they played well enough to beat SNC fair and square, capitalizing on the SND letting down its gaurd, and deserve to walk away with this year's title.  I am certain everyone who played in the MWC wants them to perform well as it is a direct reflection of their own play.

Call me childish, but I would be lying if I said I didn't want to see Monmouth draw an SJU or UWW.  I'm sorry, but I would like for another team to see what we've been up against almost every year trying to better the program.  I think our friends on LFC's 2002 team found out it is a different brand of football when you leave the conference and play into the later months of November.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 03, 2005, 12:29:50 PM
"you're not my rival if I knock you on your a$$ almost every season and I slip and fall on my own a$$ for a single season.  Beat SNC on a regular basis and we'll start talking rivalry. "

First off, no one is talking about a rivalry.  That is some thing that happens over long periods of time.  So take I'll wait a minute so you can take your foot out of your mouth...
Secondly, who gives a s*#t if you won six in a row.  Let the past go, its over and so is your career as a Knight.  Move on.
Third, Monmouth recently got a new coach, a school that cares about sports, and president who wants to spend money it.  Frankly, if Monmouth would not win with the facilities that they have, I a former alum, would be pissed off.
Last but not least, as long as Monmouth remains at the top of the conference.  I will be happy. GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 03, 2005, 12:46:26 PM
Just for fun:

a·lum·nus ( P ) n. pl. a·lum·ni (-n)
A male graduate or former student of a school, college, or university.

So you used to be an alumnus to Monmouth?
Are you a "former alum" because they took your degree away for making simple comments like the one you just did?

Virtually everyone on this board is an alumnus to an MWC school, so virtually everyone on here no longer has a career as a Knight, Skirt, Red Duck, Tree, or any other team.

It is amazing that I can make a stronger arguement with my "foot in my mouth" than you can with your big giant "former alum" brain.  Go Scots!  Keep turning out winners like this guy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 03, 2005, 12:49:53 PM
I am aware it is a petty post, but I can't have a guy who refers to himself as a former alum of an institution telling me I have my foot in my mouth.

Purtill to hang a half a hundy on Monmouth next season.  Enjoy it while you can Skirts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 03, 2005, 12:59:07 PM
Good season Scots.

Get back on track next season Knights.

Consider me retired again.  Some of the younger guys can do this, because I don't have time to keep this up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 03, 2005, 01:24:26 PM
pcole,

generally the games between opponents just alternate on a year to year basis.  if the MC vs Nubs game truly is back in De "Poor" I dont know what to tell ya.  My bad i guess....

On another note...

WTF, who does the conference scheduling?  MC beats Nubs at Nubs then has to go back and play them at Nubs again?  Whatever i guess we have to "shock the world (or the MWC) two years in a row...."

I guess I am the one who mentioned the word rivalry.  Believe me, i know there is no current SNC/MC rivalry.  You guys have dominated this conference and all the accolades you have achieved are well deserved.  I said that this could be one.  For all i care, (xsnd47) Nubs could never beat us again, and then you would be right, no rivalry. 

Nubs guys, your team has been great over the past few years.  Believe me i am very very sorry that we could not have beaten you sooner.  Then maybe we wouldnt be having this debate.  MC football has been building to something special over the last few years, and hopefully beating Nubs is not a culmination but the beginning of something really special. 

Good luck to Scots...  And also Ill keep my fingers crossed for Nubs to get into the playoffs, two losses to teams with combined 17-0 record is not something to be ashamed of. 

MC football in 05' whether you like it or not....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 03, 2005, 03:17:52 PM
Just a simple reminder:  ;)

Pleeze czech awl you're posts
Befour their putt on the bored
Prufe-reeding madders

Don't make me bust out a sonnet!  :D

Scots 38, Knox 7 in the Turkey Bowl

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2005, 03:25:37 PM
Did somedody say rivlary?

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/110305/COL_B814IUI5.076.shtml 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 03, 2005, 03:34:28 PM
Has Monmouth won the Turkey Bowl six years in a row now?  I was thinking the series was 50-50 at one time.  If so, I expect number 7 comes with relatively no problem this year.  Even though I'm an IC guy, good luck in the playoffs Monmouth!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2005, 03:53:32 PM
I believe six years is correct.  The Scots won in Kelly Kane's last year and have won in each of Coach Bell's first five years.  Don't forget about the ten ties.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 03, 2005, 05:06:13 PM
The Early Line : 


BC @ IC   -  BC -7

CC @ GC  -  CC -23.5

MC @ KC  -  MC -17

SNC @ LFC -  SNC -32

Mac @ RC  -  RC -27.5
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 03, 2005, 05:49:11 PM
All this talk about 'rivalries' has me hungry (and thirsty) for TURKEY!  Unfortunately I will not be able to make it down for the game again this year.  Friggin weddings!  I will, however, be making the trek to wherever the SCOTS may be in the playoffs.  Hope to see some of you fellow 'alumni' there.

GO SCOTS!

KNUCK FOX!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2005, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: xsnd47 on November 03, 2005, 11:42:16 AMYou're not my rival if I knock you on your a$$ almost every season and I slip and fall on my own a$$ for a single season.  Beat SNC on a regular basis and we'll start talking rivalry.

Spare us the dynasty bs.  Come talk to us when you've put together six of these bad boys in a row or even three for that matter and we'll start talking dynasty.  SNC has won ten MWC titles since it entered the conference twenty years ago.  Since 1953, this is only the fourth time Monmouth has managed to take the conference title.  Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Like papa90 said before, nobody on here is talking about MC-SNC being a rivalry game--one person mentioned it and that was all.  And MC went to Minahan this season and took the game from the Knights, it wasn't a "slip and fall on their own ass."  Simply put: it was an MC win, not an SNC loss.

As for the "dynasty bs", I have yet to see any MC fans post anything remotely close to calling the Scots a dynasty.  Have we resorted to just making things up in an attempt to create message board controversy?! :D

Quote from: xsnd47 on November 03, 2005, 12:59:07 PM
Consider me retired again. Some of the younger guys can do this, because I don't have time to keep this up.

Not enough time to keep this up??  You had 4 posts in less than an hour and a half...it would appear you've got plenty of time to keep it up.  Do us all a favor and stay retired for good this time--none of us have time to keep up with whether you're actually retired for good or not each time you say it. ;)


schwanman - Nice haiku there.  That even tops quite a few of scottie's efforts in the past!  (Just kidding scottie, you're the haiku king)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2005, 09:19:28 AM
Schwan Man is the king 
I'm simply the court jester
Genes of English flow 

Any word on the weather in G-burg tomorrow?  They are talking about heavy rain for the east central part of the State.  I just want to be sure my bundle is properly packed.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on November 04, 2005, 10:08:55 AM
I think it is safe to say that there are no worries about Ripon coming out with a "W" this weekend.  Question for the room, the word on the street is Macalaster might be droppoing their football program, has anyone heard else heard this? 

If everyone is right and Monmouth does play Coe at Coe, I will be able to see this first round of the play offs game, early, if you are interested in coming to good ole Iowa for the game let me know, i have a place for ya to crash, and the festivities will be plentiful here in Cedar Rapids. 
   I'll be at the game in Ripon this weekend, anyone else planning on making the trip to see Macalaster get trompled?!?! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 04, 2005, 10:41:20 AM
The Weatherman Says-
Cloudy skies early. A few showers developing later in the day. High around 65F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 04, 2005, 10:51:24 AM
I think the only game that's tough to call is the IC, Belwa game other than that they are all pretty much over right now.

Carroll rolls over a team that gave up before the season started 43-13......

Monmouth, with no rain, wins 45-8 easily in the bowl......

Nubs, in an effort to please the BCS, gives LFC a Roman Soldier Helmet and wins without showing up 58- 20.....

Ripon, in the JV game, wins playing 3 and 4's after the half by 27 already preparing for next season
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on November 04, 2005, 10:08:55 AM
I think it is safe to say that there are no worries about Ripon coming out with a "W" this weekend.  Question for the room, the word on the street is Macalaster might be droppoing their football program, has anyone heard else heard this? 

I haven't heard that, and we have pretty good contacts in the Macalester community. We had their coach resigning posted before it was announced, etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2005, 06:00:47 PM
That would be a tremedous blow to the MWC, the Division III version of the Big Ten (11). 

Enjoy the weekend!  Go Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 05, 2005, 06:46:20 PM
GREAT SCOTS!

Wow, is Mitch Tanney incredible!

I'm not sure how the NCAA figures passing efficiency (is anybody?) but 21-of-23 for 405 yards, five TDS and no picks must be off the charts.

Good to see Scottie at the game. Scots Nation was represented well. I guess I'm the first to post about the game because everyone else is celebrating!

Congratulations Fighting Scots and enjoy your well-deserved week off!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 05, 2005, 06:48:44 PM
Let's try this again:

GREAT SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 05, 2005, 11:15:45 PM
Congrats to the Skirts. Nice season. Please, please don't lay an egg.

Nubs, nice season gentlemen.  Looks like LFC is taking steps backwards. A quick shout to Josh, Jim, Dusty, Callahan and Patty. You did us proud.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Brick on November 05, 2005, 11:39:22 PM
Greg new picture please
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Augie6 on November 07, 2005, 01:22:38 AM
Question for you Scots fans.  Does anyone know if Mitch Tanney is the son of Don Tanney, who was a great basketball player for Monmouth back in the 70's? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on November 07, 2005, 01:30:17 AM
Yeah he is.  He went to Wasbash College for two years and then transfered to Monmouth to finish off his second two years of college and play for the Fighting Scots.  At least that is what I hear through the grapevine.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2005, 09:07:02 AM
Not much action over on the board over the weekend, I see....

A thoroughly enjoyable Saturday afternoon if you're a Scots fan.  What an impressive performance by MC on both sides of the ball.  Monmouth dodged a couple of bullets early in the game and then erupted.  If Tanney is not on the team of the week, something is askew.

Maverick and Schwannie:  Good to see you at the Bowl. 

Now we wait....

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"   >:(

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 07, 2005, 09:26:42 AM
A little more info on the Wabash-Monmouth connection:

Although heavily recruited by Monmouth -- his father Don's alma mater -- Mitch Tanney chose Wabash and played there two years. He didn't see the field much, however, posting no stats as a freshman and 16-of-27 passing for 189 yards and a TD as a sophomore.

Monmouth and Wabash are both undefeated this year. Wabash senior quarterback Russ Harbaugh is having a season nearly as impressive as Tanney's, so it's a good thing that both of these talented players are able to start for their respective teams.

Speaking of transfers from Wabash, Monmouth College just inaugurated a new president, Mauri Ditzler, who came from Wabash. And Monmouth's former president took the head position at another football power, Mount Union.

I had the pleasure of watching Don Tanney play basketball for Monmouth in the late 1970s. Did you, too, Augie6?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Augie6 on November 07, 2005, 09:50:36 AM
Schwanman,

Actually, I had the pleasure of watching Don Tanney play in high school.  My Dad was the head basketball coach in Princeville, IL where Don Tanney grew up.  I did make a couple of trips up to Monmouth with my Dad to watch him play.  As a  kid, he was one of the players in high school that I really looked up to. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2005, 09:56:11 AM
The Monmouth-Wabash-Mt. Union connection won by a combined score of 145-0 this weekend. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 07, 2005, 10:11:46 AM
I bet Mitch wouldn't mind having Monmouth shipped to the North for a showdown against Wabash, however, Monmouth doesn't deserve the seventh or eigth seed in the North.  They would have to find them in the second round, maybe Wabash gets the first slot and Monmouth the fourth.  If Wabash loses to Depauw maybe they would meet in the first round with Wabash ranked third and Monmouth sixth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: btown on November 07, 2005, 10:39:19 AM
I was at the monmouth/knox game, congrats to the scots on a great season.  My only worry though is the scots running game (they couldnt run the ball against knox!), maybe they dont need to run in the mwc with a qb like tanney and a solid recieving core but it is going to be a different story come playoff time. 

also, congrats to the bucs on their 3rd straight victory, send ED out with a win fellas, he deserves it. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 07, 2005, 11:03:23 AM
Couple quick comments:

1) I figured out how to compute pass efficiency. For the Knox game, Tanney's rating was 310.9!!!

2) Technically, Monmouth didn't need to run against Knox, although they will need to run in the playoffs. Their No. 1 and No. 2 tailbacks both missed the Knox game. With two weeks' rest, I'm sure the Scots hope to at least get the No. 1 TB back in the lineup. It's nice to have a No. 3 tailback as good as Bobby Gibbs. He was called the MVP of the Carroll game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 07, 2005, 12:23:25 PM
Congrads to the Monmouth fighting scots on another Bronze Turkey.  Thanksgiving is going to be mighty tasty again this year.  It was nice to see some of the old faces around the bowl this year.
I hope that it is a good thing that Monmouth has a bye at the end of the season, however the Monmouth train is rolling and it would be nice to play a game next week to stay in the groove.  I am excited for any match-up that may come our way in the first round.  Monmouth can hang with any team in the country when Tanney is on and the line is giving him time to throw the ball.  However, we will wait and see what happens.  The Scots will represent our conference well.  All of us should help support Monmouth against whomever they play.  Good Luck boys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk95 on November 07, 2005, 12:56:47 PM
Yes, I'm new to this board. I would like to say that it is great to have such a place to discuss about D3 football.  Good stuff here.

I would like to say a huge congrats to Coach Ernst on his win over Maclaster and in doing so, becoming the winningest coach in RC football history.  8)

Go Redhawks!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 07, 2005, 05:59:17 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-turkey03.html
Chicago Sun Times: "Turkey likely to gobble up more cash this year"

The Sun Times can say whatever it likes. The reason turkey prices are going up this year is because the Scots are hording the turkey all for themselves. No turkey for you Knox! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on November 07, 2005, 09:50:48 PM
So who do you all think the scots will most likely play in the first round?  It would be nice to play some middle of the pack regional team so that they could get a little momentum with them for a second round that would be a lot harder.

Oh and by the way what ar the little karma things on people and how do people acheive them positive or negative.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on November 08, 2005, 10:44:53 AM
So exactly when will the Scots be playing the play off game?
I need an exact date because I may need to resign my assistant wrestling coach position in order to make it up there. Some one help'a brother out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 08, 2005, 10:48:17 AM
Uh Oh look who has come aboard!!  What up Maverick???  Just want to say hey to all my fellow Fighting Scotsmen out there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 08, 2005, 11:18:02 AM
MC Football in 05!!

i know it is very selfish of me, but i am really hoping for a Scots Nations visit to eagle rock come next week.  if it does happen, Free Lodging at la casa de la smoov for anyone who brings me a Knuck Fox T-shirt!!!!

10-0 BABY, I like it, I love it, I want some more of it!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 08, 2005, 12:22:36 PM
What up C??  I will bring you a Knuck Fox shirt... may have to steal one though, or hell maybe just have to make the shirt that was banned!!!!1 ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 09, 2005, 12:32:24 AM
Dear God, help us all--the skinny wide receiver with the freak shoulder has joined the mayhem that is "Post Patterns."  Of course we all knew this was coming sooner or later though since he is king of the internet! :D  Thanks for the shout-out buddy.

scottie - Was good to see you again this weekend at the Bowl.  That was my first time to watch a game from the top of the hillsides there rather than being down on field level; it is quite a nice venue for watching a game.

FloridaScot - The first round of playoff games is on Saturday, Nov, 19th.  The official pairings/brackets will be released on Sunday, Nov. 13th.  Now start searching for your plane ticket.

Old Fighting Scot - If a trip out to the west coast should arise, I was expecting that free lodging at La Casa de Smoov was an understood thing (and I mean with or without bringing a Knuck Fox t-shirt). ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 09, 2005, 09:13:37 AM
Dear God, help us all--the skinny wide receiver with the freak shoulder has joined the mayhem that is "Post Patterns."  Of course we all knew this was coming sooner or later though since he is king of the internet!   Thanks for the shout-out buddy.

I am not the king of the internet, I believe I know some people that give you that crown!!!  As far as the freak goes, yes it is still there and I am trying to pu ton weight so it may disappear.

Do you think I should make the Knuck Fox shirts that were banned??  I mean I still have the layout.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 09, 2005, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 09, 2005, 09:13:37 AM
I am not the king of the internet, I believe I know some people that give you that crown!!!  As far as the freak goes, yes it is still there and I am trying to pu ton weight so it may disappear.

Do you think I should make the Knuck Fox shirts that were banned??  I mean I still have the layout.

I didn't want to bring it to this, but now you forced me to.  What I should've said in the first place was "king of the internet chat rooms, etc."  I may wear the crown for the regular internet, but you rule the rest of it! :P

Don't worry about the shirts at this point, but save the layout anyways.  It could always come in handy at some point in the future--possibly this year's playoffs or maybe some Turkey Bowl down the road.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 09, 2005, 10:59:54 PM
The Early Lines for three season ending games:

Beloit @ Grinnell   BC -18  Running wild on whoever is left on GC

Ripon @KC   RC -13  Knox not enough left in final home game

IC @ Lawrence    LU -20  IC throws up the white flag
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 10, 2005, 09:47:56 AM
Mav, in all your projections, you have the Skirts no further down then No. 5. That's pretty generous considering your playoff history (which is none).

Whether you're a 5, 6, 7, or 8, I suppose it doesn't matter, but I found your outlook lofty.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2005, 12:14:13 PM
We will all have to wait and see about the seeds.  That is true.

But, Greg, what "really" does history have to do with the seeds?  If history is the indicator, then Augustana should probably be a #1 seed, correct?  And, did you see that North Carolina and Kansas are ranked #2 and #3 respectively in this year's pre-season basketball rankings???  ??? Whatever happened to the team that you've got and the results that you have achieved THIS year?  (I can sense a Colemanism in our future...) 

The bottom line is that the Scots will take whatever seed they get and play to the best of their ability.  Undoubtedly, they will do their best to represent Monmouth College (and the rest of the MWC) well.  We ALL should be in favor of that.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 10, 2005, 12:57:50 PM
Which basketball rankings? I saw the Heels were picked to finish ninth in the ACC.

Traditionally, which you have none in the playoffs, many would see you as a six or seven (8 if Linfield wasn't on board), matching you up against SJU or, I hope, UWW.

That's been my experience.

We ALL don't need to root for anyone.  Coombaya!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 01:56:51 PM
I don't know what the fuss is about anyways.  Me and my grandma could be ranked #1 right now and then on sunday be ranked 7th.  nothing matters until sunday when the seeds come out for real!!  I would like to see my fellow Scotsmen seeded high, but the MWC doesn't get any respect...maybe the conference champ wasn't the best team in years past, but this year it is.  I am not saying that Monmouth should get anything higher than a 5, but shouldn't a team that is undefeated be higher than a team with a loss???

For instance, the Fighting Illini, who no one thought would be good this past basketball season, was ranked #1 in the nation for most of the year without a loss, eventhough UNC proved that they were #1 in the end.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 10, 2005, 02:03:34 PM
Congratulations to Coach DeGeorge:

He brought the BC program up from nearly folding to one of the finest in the MWC in the 90s. Good luck in your final game coach. Send him out a winner.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2005, 02:12:38 PM
"Which basketball rankings? I saw the Heels were picked to finish ninth in the ACC."  G. Pawlick

Hey, Einstein!  :) - Try recognizing sarcasm when you see it.  My point, which you ALL should have inferred, was that North Carolina and Kansas (two traditional powerhouses) are both UN-ranked right now.

That Monmouth was unable to win the conference during the impressive run of SNC is their own problem.  Since the MWC champs couldn't do much with their title in playoffs over that same period is, I guess, the MWC's (and now the Scots') problem.

I can't wait til the pairings come out and the nonsense ends...

Yeah, Midwest Conference
ONE for the great Greg Pawlik
Greg Pawlik for ONE

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 10, 2005, 02:13:29 PM
I agree.  Congrats to Coach DeGeorge on a great career.  He deserves to be sent out a winner.

Snydz - you and your grandma wouldn't be ranked #1 in anything...except maybe a potato sack race at a church potluck.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 10, 2005, 02:29:41 PM
The problem is your former coach made you duds feel like part of this season's success.

Why, becuase you cheer loud, or drink a lot on Friday night and show up early for the game Saturday? Or, becuase you're on an Internet chat board discussing the finer points?

You have as much to do with the Skirts finally winning as I do for Nubs winning before I was there or after I left.

This whole 12th man thing is out of hand. It's not that you cheer for your team - no one can deny you that. But, you drool and loathe over a team you had nothing to do with.

I don't think this can get thrown in my face, either. You guys were perennial losers in the big game.
In a lot of eyes, you deserve no credit or adoration for losing the big game year after year. Yet, one would swear you've never lost a game with the tone you take day after day.

Point and case: I'm Einstein. OK. Maybe you just write like crap.

When you cheer these kids. Be proud you went there. Don't take the credit.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2005, 03:49:20 PM
Greg:  What was the perennial big game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 10, 2005, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 10, 2005, 03:49:20 PM
Greg: What was the perennial big game?

You're going to argue that now that you're "On Top". When did you play. Did I kick your ass too?

I've said my peace, which will make you all happy. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 10, 2005, 04:54:39 PM
"When did you play. Did I kick your ass too?"

Strong words from someone who thinks former players have "nothing to do with" their program's present success.

So apparently, you had "everything" to do with SNC beating MC in the past and required no help from any teammate?

Posts like that make OUR SCOTS' season much sweeter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
Is there a MADD DOGG in the house???  I think so, and I think he is going to go crazy on someone in sec.

It is hard for me to read this crap about 1 person, not a team, but 1 person having everything to do with the success of a team.

Madd Dogg---havent heard from you in a while...have you finished the radio stuff???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 10, 2005, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 10, 2005, 04:54:39 PM
So apparently, you had "everything" to do with SNC beating MC in the past and required no help from any teammate?

Posts like that make OUR SCOTS' season much sweeter.

Actually, I meant personally (one on one if you're from Illinois), not as a team. Sorry Einstein, as you duds would say.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2005, 05:44:24 PM
Greg, I'm going to be out of the office tomorrow.  So you'll have to thump your chest on your own.   

Looking forward to the post-season news.

Monmouth Fight Scots
Not undefeated for life
But so far this year

Peace, I'm outta here!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 10, 2005, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 10, 2005, 05:44:24 PM
Greg, I'm going to be out of the office tomorrow.  So you'll have to thump your chest on your own.   

Looking forward to the post-season news.

Monmouth Fight Scots
Not undefeated for life
But so far this year

Peace, I'm outta here!

Douche bag
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 10, 2005, 06:59:10 PM
Howdy Scots Nation!

I'll tell you what.  Doesn't it feel great to be atop the Midwest Conference? Here's hoping for it to be a feeling that lasts a long time.  I'll tell you what, it is nice to drink on Fridays and show up early on Saturdays then spend the day watching your former team win all 10 of its games..... 
Others get to drink on Fridays and show up early on Saturdays and see their team win, only 8 games though.  Now, on to the finer points.....
How is this Anthony Goranson?  I coach with a guy that said he introduced him to Monmouth and he says the kid is for real? Is it the truth? From his stats it seems he gets the job done. Look forward to seeing him play.
Hopefully I'll see you all soon Rooster, Maverick, Snydz, Grandpa, Papa, and the rest of the Scots Nation!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 10, 2005, 06:59:10 PM
Howdy Scots Nation!

I'll tell you what.  Doesn't it feel great to be atop the Midwest Conference? Here's hoping for it to be a feeling that lasts a long time.  I'll tell you what, it is nice to drink on Fridays and show up early on Saturdays then spend the day watching your former team win all 10 of its games..... 

Hopefully I'll see you all soon Rooster, Maverick, Snydz, Grandpa, Papa, and the rest of the Scots Nation!


All I have to say to your quote is this:  there is only one feeling that is good this year and it is for only one team, the Monmouth College Fighting Scots!  This feeling will last for a long and no one can take that away from the boyz!!

FCB - It is always a pleasure seeing my fellow teammates and it is going to be especially nice to them all at the playoff game!!!  Can't wait to pre-game it out of the Roush, if I still have it, before the game!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 10, 2005, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 10, 2005, 09:47:56 AM
Mav, in all your projections, you have the Skirts no further down then No. 5. That's pretty generous considering your playoff history (which is none).

Whether you're a 5, 6, 7, or 8, I suppose it doesn't matter, but I found your outlook lofty.

Greg - It's Scots, not Skirts...but if you want to go around telling people that the team you played for isn't in the playoffs this season because they lost to the Skirts, go right ahead.  In case you didn't catch this one either, that was some more of that sarcasm stuff that went right over your head in a previous post. ;) 

Anyhow, back to my seeding predictions.  It may be somewhat lofty considering Monmouth's playoff history (none, can't argue that fact), but the reason I placed the Scots as the number 5 seed is because they're a conference champion and deserve to be placed ahead of the 1-loss Pool C qualifiers but also should be put behind the other West region conference champions.  Until someone from the MWC wins a couple games in the playoffs (hopefully it'll be Monmouth this year), that's where an undefeated MWC champion should be seeded for the playoffs--behind other undefeated conference champions but in front of 1-loss Pool C qualifiers. 

Winning a couple playoff games would do wonders for future MWC playoff teams; just look at Occidental--they won 2 playoff games last season (one home game, one road game), are now ranked in the top 10 of the nation in each poll that I've seen, and in the very next year they are looking at getting another home playoff game in the first round.  All that from a team in a conference (SCIAC) that wasn't looked very highly upon in the past.  As I said before, hopefully Monmouth can do some damage in the playoffs this year, change outsiders' opinions of the MWC, and make the future brighter for MWC champs to come just like Occidental has done for the SCIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 10, 2005, 10:32:40 PM
scottie - You know very well that once the pairings are released on Sunday the nonsense will end, but the bitching and complaining (from one side or another) will take its place right away! >:(

McAlum77 - Good call on that having "nothing to do with" a program's present success.  And Snydz wouldn't be ranked #1 in anything including potato sack races.  Well, maybe #1 goofiest radio show assistant from back in the day!  Ha!

ScotsR BetterThanU - Goranson can play, he's had strong games in each one that I've seen this year.  You missed the Turkey Bowl and I was disappointed, you better not miss the game on Nov. 19--I know I'll be there and pretty sure that plenty of Scots Nation will be present also.

Snydz - How the hell are we gonna tailgate out of the back of your Roush?  Need something bigger for some real good tailgating!

From here on out, I might just start replying to those in Scots Nation and to nothing from anyone outside of it--I'm tired of all the crap.  My suggestion for the day: if you don't like reading all of us discussing a quality team, don't come here and read it...just go somewhere else to be a douche bag.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 10:44:18 PM
LOL!

Mav--you a funny guy.

Any ideas as to which hoody Scots Nation should were???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 10, 2005, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 10:44:18 PM
LOL!

Mav--you a funny guy.

Any ideas as to which hoody Scots Nation should were???

Thanks buddy--I do what I can with the humor.  These things just come to me at times. 

As for the hoody of choice for Scots Nation, I'll be wearing my regular gray and red Monmouth Football sweatshirt that I've worn at every other game when it was cold enough to wear one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 10, 2005, 10:32:40 PM
McAlum77 - Good call on that having "nothing to do with" a program's present success.  And Snydz wouldn't be ranked #1 in anything including potato sack races. Well, maybe #1 goofiest radio show assistant from back in the day! Ha!

Snydz - How the hell are we gonna tailgate out of the back of your Roush? Need something bigger for some real good tailgating!


Mav you are funny.  I know was not the main person on the radio show, but i got ladies calling for me to come to their rooms!!! ;)

I am #1 in something Mav...I am the only person to have an alien as a shoulder!!! :P

Not to sure as to how we will tailgate in the Roush, but I will think of something...I'm sneaky!!!

The grey one is nicest one, but wasn't sure if we were going to bring out Big Red.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 11:01:43 PM
scottie--been a while, you enjoying life not at Monmouth???  Just wanted to say thank you again for that email you sent me while I was still at good ole MC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 11, 2005, 12:31:32 AM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 10, 2005, 10:55:46 PM
Mav you are funny.  I know was not the main person on the radio show, but i got ladies calling for me to come to their rooms!!! ;)

I am #1 in something Mav...I am the only person to have an alien as a shoulder!!! :P

Not to sure as to how we will tailgate in the Roush, but I will think of something...I'm sneaky!!!

The grey one is nicest one, but wasn't sure if we were going to bring out Big Red.

Yeah, you had ladies calling for you to go to their rooms like one time.  And I'm pretty sure that was because the 2 DJ's were paying them for it!  Haha--I kid, I kid! :D

If having something that looks like an alien growing out of your shoulder is something that you're proud of, then more power to ya bro!

You come up with something on the tailgating, let me know.

If you want to bring out the big red hoody, go for it.  I'm gonna stick with the gray one since some pretty good things have happened when I'm wearing it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on November 11, 2005, 01:17:10 AM
Howdy Fellas'
I've hit a few lumps in the road mainly one named Christina. I've gotta wrestling tournament the weekend of the Play-off game also airfare is outrageous. But, I've got a feeling I'm gonna say ta hell with it and get my kilt wearing ass up there. Cause that goes with being part of something important.
I'm going to risk my future marriage and coaching career to climb all the way back North to see the F*ing Scots.
Greg you must know what its like to do that after you played at Norberts. All of thoughs cold Midwest  mornings you threw off your Scooby-Doo sheets to run up stairs from your parent's basement (I'm sorry your "apartment") with excitement to go see your team play. What were all trying to say here Gegg is stop being so angry. Its not the fault of anyone in the Scots Nation that your coach would only let you on the feild to get the tee after kick-offs. By the way from what I understand you were the best tee fetcher.
FCB, MAVERICK, SKINNY RECEIEVER, PAPA,WESTICLE, and the rest of the nation
The temperature makes me hate it,
But, the school makes me love it.
Go MONMOUTH.
I'll be on my way as the Rooster flies.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 11, 2005, 09:12:46 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 11, 2005, 12:31:32 AM

If having something that looks like an alien growing out of your shoulder is something that you're proud of, then more power to ya bro!

You come up with something on the tailgating, let me know.


It is not something I'm proud of, just something I have to deal with.  Can't let the alien bring me down.

As far as the tailgate thing, I think I will bring some beer in the car (that's about it will hold)!!

Rooster

Quote from: FloridaScot on November 11, 2005, 01:17:10 AM

FCB, MAVERICK, SKINNY RECEIEVER, PAPA,WESTICLE, and the rest of the nation
The temperature makes me hate it,
But, the school makes me love it.
Go MONMOUTH.
I'll be on my way as the Rooster flies.

Why do you always have to make fun of the fact that I am skinny???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CBS on November 13, 2005, 01:40:24 PM
Congrats to Coach DeGeorgio....stuck to that Wing T for 30,000 years.....I salute` you.

good luck to Monmouth..looks like St.John's...someone needs to go into Johnnieland and kick some tail....is it you MC?

Look out for Larry......in '06......Can they once again fill the Banta Bowl?

Great seasons to all ..hope ya had fun..CBS out...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 13, 2005, 03:40:55 PM
Monmouth, congrats on an undefeated season and on winning the MWC.


Welcome to the big show.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 13, 2005, 06:30:44 PM
If any Monmouth fans would like to participate in the discussion on the MIAC board,feel free. We are looking for any insite on your squad. We do sometimes get off the football topic,hence the 465 pages of conversation. We would also be able to answer any travel questions if any of you are planning on making the trip to Central Minnesota.Welcome :)

Look for details about Johnnie Red's tailgate party,I'm sure he will pop over here with an invite. Over the years fans from Central, Redlands,Linfield just to name a few have joined in on the pre-game play off celebration.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnnie_esq on November 13, 2005, 06:51:37 PM
Looking forward to welcome the Fighting Scots to Collegeville-- we hope you'll enjoy the place and the charm that is St. John's, and we look forward to a clean, injury free game.

Please participate in discussing your squad with us, and do come to the Stiftingfestivities tailgate before the game.  It'll be a fun experience!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 13, 2005, 07:38:55 PM
...said the spider to the fly
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 13, 2005, 08:03:42 PM
In case anyone wants a word document printable bracket, here's one I threw together today complete with records of all competing teams. 

Best of luck to all teams!

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 57Johnnie on November 13, 2005, 09:17:01 PM
Congratulations Monmouth on a great season.

Welcome to Collegeville for a good time.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 13, 2005, 10:46:41 PM
The early line:

Gags 51, Skirts 12

Any takers?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 13, 2005, 11:51:40 PM
Fighting Scots fans:
Send your football team if you want, but please send your pipe band to play at The Stiftungfestivities, the world-famous pre-game celebration for all St. John's football games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2005, 12:17:30 AM
SJU fans - From all of Scots Nation, thanks for all the welcomes/invites on Saturday's game.  Personally, I've always thought the Johnnie posters seemed like good, knowledgable football fans so that makes me look forward to the trip to Collegeville even more.  That plus I've wanted to see a game at Clemens Stadium sometime (looks like a great facility from pictures I've seen on the internet), so I guess I got my wish.  Some of us Fighting Scots will be there tailgating so we'll have to keep an eye out for your world famous "Stiftungfestivities." :)

Scots Nation - I'll be in touch with some of you about making arrangements for the weekend, etc...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on November 14, 2005, 12:29:02 AM
All I know is that I'm going to be with Scots Nation, dressed in my kilt, sword, red socks, and Monmouth shirt no matter how cold it is
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Johnnie Red on November 14, 2005, 08:02:18 AM
Monmouth fans, aka Scots Nation, you are cordially invited to join us for the Stiftungsfestivities tailgate party in Collegeville this Saturday. The party will be starting at 8:00 a.m. and will go to 11:30 a.m. When you drive into St. John's, you will come to a four way stop by the athletic complex, which will be on your left. Continue straight and head up the hill toward the church. The stadium will be on your left. Just past the stadium you will see a road that goes left. Turn here and head back to the parking lot, which is where the tailgate party is. We are just above the scoreboard end of the field. In the event you cannot park back there, you can always walk up to join us.

We will be starting the grills around 9:30 a.m. and will be serving the world famous Stiftungsfest burgers. Bring a culinary delight to share and the adult beverage of your choice.

Hope you can join us! Any questions, just let me know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:08:19 AM
I echo the sentiments of previous Johnnie posters.  Come and join us, we always have a good time.  I look forward to a fun-filled day with the Johnnies prevailing in a Monkey StompTM.

Feel free to poke your heads in the MIAC board this week.  Our conversations are quite lively.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2005, 09:12:03 AM
Scottie's Monday morning ramblings...

Sticks and Stones, Greg.  Put it in a haiku and I'll give you some style points.

Congrats to Coach DeGeorge on winning his last four and going out with a winning MWC record.  For some of the younger members of Scots Nation, one of his sons went to Monmouth.

Thanks for the shout-out, Snydz.  

And, finally... Congrats to the Scots and good luck against St. John's - one of the most storied programs in DIII football.  And, from the posts that I've read so far, some of the classiest fans.  (MWC posters take note.)



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:19:40 AM
I like Greg's prediction :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: kiltman85 on November 14, 2005, 12:29:02 AM
All I know is that I'm going to be with Scots Nation, dressed in my kilt, sword, red socks, and Monmouth shirt no matter how cold it is


I've worn a kilt in 15 degree weather with a youth medium basketball jersey snug on my 200 lb frame.... it's definitely do-able. Your boys will come back down sometime around march.


Remember, it's not a kilt if there's anything underneath!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2005, 09:45:54 AM
What a bracket!!   :o

Round One vs. #3 St. Johns
The winner could get #2 Whitewater in Round Two.
And the winner of that game could get #1 Linfield in Round Three.

"Do you believe in miracles?!?"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on November 14, 2005, 09:52:21 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 14, 2005, 09:45:54 AM
What a bracket!!   :o

"Do you believe in miracles?!?"

I asked that same question at the end of the SJU-Concordia game this year.  Miracles do happen. 

At least after those three games, it might get easier from there :).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 14, 2005, 10:14:50 AM
sju56321
All-Region

Re: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #6943 on: Yesterday at 01:19:05 PM » 

SJU v. Monmouth, then UWW 
__________________________________

Skirts, now you get to play jerks like yourself. One big Jerkfestingust burger fest.

Eat their crap meat, and get blown out. Then, you can join the rest of us in the cold winter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 10:26:42 AM
Greg,

Don't be bitter just because your knights don't get to make their annual 1st round bow out.


SNC will win the conference next year or the year after and your boys can get right back to being a virtual bye for whomever you play.



Let Monmouth enjoy their run... and lay off the bitter soup for a while.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 14, 2005, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 14, 2005, 10:26:42 AM
Greg,

Don't be bitter just because your knights don't get to make their annual 1st round bow out.


SNC will win the conference next year or the year after and your boys can get right back to being a virtual bye for whomever you play.



Let Monmouth enjoy their run... and lay off the bitter soup for a while.

I will sign off
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 14, 2005, 10:34:12 AM
I will sign off

Outstanding!

Usually I like St. Norbert and their fans to wait until the 1st round game to sign off, but this is even better!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SeattleScot on November 14, 2005, 11:31:42 AM
Yo Scottie!

Remember my roommate when I was in law school?  He was a Johnnie grad.  I always enjoyed hearing his stories about the great Gagliardi-coached teams.  Personally, I think it's an honor to get to play against such a storied program.  I just hope the Scots go out and play as hard as they have all season.  If that's enough to get a victory, great.  If not, at least they will know that they left everything on the field.  I only wish I could make it back to the midwest for a trip to Collegeville just to experience the atmosphere. 

Scottie, don't you think that the excitement surrounding this team this year isn't just about football but is really more of a symbol of all the really good things that have been taking place at MC over the last five or six years?

Go Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 14, 2005, 11:33:47 AM
Go get'em scotties!  Its been a long time coming and at least a year late.  Play like it.

Scots Nation I am frantically trying to schedule another Minny Business trip, cross your fingers for me....

Maverick, how are those young titans looking???

MC Football in 05 (whether Nubs can stomach it or not)!!!
[/glow]
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2005, 11:51:18 AM
Area code 206 in the house...  Welcome to Scots Nation, SeattleScot!  Maybe you'll get a chance to see the Scots dominate out in Linfield in the third round.   ;)  Tell your old roommate that at least our women look better than their's....  ha ha!

Greg P - You don't like basketball, do you?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 14, 2005, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 14, 2005, 11:51:18 AM
Greg P - You don't like basketball, do you?

No, don't worry. I think my viewpoints have been expressed, and I'll leave the Scots' faithful to enjoy their playoff experience.

Nice season, and good luck. Words of advise: Enjoy the experience.

See you in August. It's been fun banter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2005, 12:10:27 PM
Cheers, Greg.  Let's hope for two MWC teams in the playoffs next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 14, 2005, 12:15:53 PM
Hey all Scots supporters.  If you can't be an athlete greg than at least be a athletic supporter, jag off.  

I am happy that Monmouth made the playoffs.  St. Johns is a tough pull but hey to be the best you have to beat the best.  I would rather play the toughest teams early.  I am sick of the "MWC is weak" crap.  We can prove to the country and the players that we are for real.  We have to prove it of course, but what a great opportunity for Monmouth.  It should be a hard fought game and I look forward to a great atmosphere up in Minn.

Hold on I forgot, did anyone catch Pat on ESPNews.  He looked like a deer in headlights.  Its ok Pat, you warmed up after the first 5 minutes.  Go SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 14, 2005, 12:25:12 PM
Welcome to Collegeville, Scots! Enjoy the visit and I hope you bring a better game than your MWC companions have in the past. The only thing I really remember from those St. Norbie "contests" was the Dancin' Schussler. Good TE (and from what I hear, soldier), but he let the Sea of Red get to him. It's quite the atmosphere. Soak it up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on November 14, 2005, 12:46:14 PM
What, are there no DIII schools in Alaska? Maybe we could have played them and given me an even further trip. But Like I said in an earlier post, This is an important event for everyone in the Scots Nation. So I'll be playing hooky from school friday and flying to Chi-town to begin the trip the furthest north that I have ever ventured.
FCB and I'll be rolling Smoky and the Bandit style. I had always wanted to visit collegeville only I was thinking more like in the summer. By the way hows the weather up there?
This is going to be a great day for the Scots to showcase their play and play-calling.

On another note, if Gregg is finally signing off till next season (which I doubt). Then allow me one last BEELOW ME GREGG.

SCOTS NATION FOLLOW THE THIN RED LINE NORTH
My PMS is outrageous.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: FloridaScot on November 14, 2005, 12:46:14 PM
I had always wanted to visit collegeville only I was thinking more like in the summer. By the way hows the weather up there?
This is going to be a great day for the Scots to showcase their play and play-calling.


Saturday (24 hours): Snow showers possible. Highs in the low 40s and lows in the upper 20s.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on November 14, 2005, 12:52:58 PM
Thanks for the forecast Ken Barlow...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 12:59:50 PM
Sounds like there could be some white stuff on it's way tomorrow.  Fins, do you have chains for the Pace Arrow?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCGramps97 on November 14, 2005, 01:01:41 PM
Hello my fellow Kilt Rockers.
well as Pappa said its a tough draw, but man what a story this game could be. I was reading up on SJU from their web site, their coach is amazing (not that Bell and Braun arn't). He took over the coaching duties of his highschool team at the age of 16 when his coach was drafted into WWII. Unreal. Thats stuff myths are made of. I'm gonna try and convince the old ball and chain to let me play in Johnnie country. we'll see. Good luck to the boys in kilts. My Scottish heart is with you.

A kilt feels good no matter what the temp is.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 01:06:38 PM
Quote from: Bus Driver on November 14, 2005, 12:52:58 PM
Thanks for the forecast Ken Barlow...
It's always warm and sunny in my world!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 12:59:50 PM
Sounds like there could be some white stuff on it's way tomorrow.  Fins, do you have chains for the Pace Arrow?
Those doolies on the back will go through anything. I better check the furnace though. We may need a halftime warming house.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 01:12:13 PM
Quote from: MCGramps97 on November 14, 2005, 01:01:41 PM
Hello my fellow Kilt Rockers.
well as Pappa said its a tough draw, but man what a story this game could be. I was reading up on SJU from their web site, their coach is amazing (not that Bell and Braun arn't). He took over the coaching duties of his highschool team at the age of 16 when his coach was drafted into WWII. Unreal. Thats stuff myths are made of. I'm gonna try and convince the old ball and chain to let me play in Johnnie country. we'll see. Good luck to the boys in kilts. My Scottish heart is with you.

A kilt feels good no matter what the temp is.

Check under that kilt and see if you've got a pair. If so, tell your wife you're going to a football game in Minnesota on Saturday and you're not quite sure when you'll be back. She'll understand 30 years from now when she hears you telling your grandchildren about the amazing coach you saw once in Minnesota back in oh-five.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on November 14, 2005, 01:15:27 PM
Hey Monmouth backers,

Do you guys run a lot, pass a lot or do you have a pretty balanced offense?  I would say that SJU is a better passing team because a really good D usually seems to shut our running game down.  Sometimes the passing game can open things up again later, at least around the ends.

In any case, I am trying to gague how the weather might affect the game, if at all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 14, 2005, 01:24:01 PM
Greetings to the Scots Faithful!!

A little pre-welcome from Central Minnesota!

A couple of things to keep in mind for Saturday....

1.  The tailgate is almost as exciting as the game! All Scots fans are welcome.
2.  The Weekly Hamms shotgun-a-thon will be held at 10:30.  All Scots fans are welcome!
3.  Duff and Ritz are pretty good at Shotgunning ;D
4.  It will be ball shrinking weather!  Good luck with the kilts!
5.  It's playoff football!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 14, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
Oh yeah...Couple more things...

1.  Chanting "Ole Ole Ole" during the game is frowned upon. Ask St. Olaf

2.  Jumping up and down on the bleachers during the game is a) not safe, b) really funny looking, and 3) only done by Bethel (since they cannot dance)

3.  Sugar Daddies is NOT a candy store

4.  Friday night-------All are welcome to the LaPlayette in St. Joe for 16 oz. taps of Hamms!!

Sounds like the Scots and  St. Norb have a nice little rivalry going!

Remember the thing about us Johnnies.....We love to have fun, talk a little smack, but its all about meeting, greeting, and beating people!

Hope to see a strong contingent on Saturday!

If anyone has any questions about the area, e-mail me on my account in my profile!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
Any one going to be wearing their kilts???  IM me on aol fellow Scots Nationers.  I will be in Collegeville Friday, just look for the Black Roush Mustang!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 14, 2005, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
Any one going to be wearing their kilts???  IM me on aol fellow Scots Nationers.  I will be in Collegeville Friday, just look for the Black Roush Mustang!!!!!

May want to go to St. Cloud or St. Joe on Friday.  May be a little creepy to hang out in Collegeville on Friday night..Unless you want to get a good parking spot, or be the 1st in line to the game!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 02:56:20 PM
Yes, you might want to know that Collegeville isn't a real town.  It's pretty much just SJU and about 10 houses.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 14, 2005, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
Any one going to be wearing their kilts??? IM me on aol fellow Scots Nationers. I will be in Collegeville Friday, just look for the Black Roush Mustang!!!!!

Damn Snydz!  You steal that Roush?

Well, it looks like this weekend's game will be harder to get to than I thought.  I'll spare you all the rant.  Good luck to the SCOTS!  Pull out a victory and I WILL BE at the next game.  Especially if it's at Whitewater!

Snydz is drunk...don't listen to him!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 05:15:14 PM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 14, 2005, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
Any one going to be wearing their kilts??? IM me on aol fellow Scots Nationers. I will be in Collegeville Friday, just look for the Black Roush Mustang!!!!!

Damn Snydz! You steal that Roush?

Well, it looks like this weekend's game will be harder to get to than I thought. I'll spare you all the rant. Good luck to the SCOTS! Pull out a victory and I WILL BE at the next game. Especially if it's at Whitewater!

Snydz is drunk...don't listen to him!

Madd Dogg, I am not drunk........yet!!!  No I did not steal my Roush.  If you were cool enough to come to the game, you would see it!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on November 14, 2005, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
Any one going to be wearing their kilts???  IM me on aol fellow Scots Nationers.  I will be in Collegeville Friday, just look for the Black Roush Mustang!!!!!


I will definitely be in my kilt with my face painted just like I was at every other game this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 05:53:56 PM
Well sorry for the bad news, but if it is snowy up in the Minn., doesn't look like the Roush will make the trip...We will have to wait and see
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 14, 2005, 07:03:50 PM
     Good luck this weekend Scots!  This years' Johns probably aren't as good as they were two years ago which is good news for you.  However, they should be well rested having taken last year off after winning it all. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on November 14, 2005, 07:03:50 PM
This years' Johns probably aren't as good as they were two years ago which is good news for you.
The only reason the '03 SJU squad may have been better is Blake Elliot.  The defense this year is better.  Backfield this year is better.  QB in '03 may have had a slight advantage.  Receivers and O-line are a wash.  Look out for the big, red train.  Woo Woo!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 08:14:00 PM

Look out for the big, red train. Woo Woo!


The only red train that I know of is the Monmouth O-train!!!  Choo-Choo
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 08:30:54 PM
Your little choo choo is about to get steamed off the tracks.


Learn the name Damien Dumonceau so that when your QB wakes up next Monday and asks if anyone saw the truck you can tell him it's name.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 08:46:36 PM
I'd get used to Dumonceaux, not Dumonceau :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 09:10:53 PM
My letter before y and after w key is broken.

It makes it really hard to talk about _-rays, _ylophones, and _enophobia.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:21:20 PM
And your favorite type of movies :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on November 14, 2005, 09:38:01 PM
So duff man what is your problem.  Why come to our board and start talking trash?  Your mister Dumonceaux has only one move and that is the club to the shoulder with the swim.  Yes granted that he is fast, but that doesn't do much when you go up against a very good pass blocking team like the Monmouth o-line.  And how could one player have such an affect on a whole game is beyond me.  He is not God.  Lets save the trash talk for after the game is over.  When the game is then should the victorious team talk trash.  So please if you are not going to add any intellegent comments to this board please stick to your own.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on November 14, 2005, 09:40:06 PM
So duff man and kiltdrat what is your problem.  Why come to our board and start talking trash?  Your mister Dumonceaux has only one move and that is the club to the shoulder with the swim.  Yes granted that he is fast, but that doesn't do much when you go up against a very good pass blocking team like the Monmouth o-line.  And how could one player have such an affect on a whole game is beyond me.  He is not God.  Lets save the trash talk for after the game is over.  When the game is then should the victorious team talk trash.  So please if you are not going to add any intellegent comments to this board please stick to your own.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on November 14, 2005, 09:41:14 PM
sorry about the double post
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 09:42:34 PM
Actually, I was the one who came on here talking up Dumonceaux.


Quote from: Jester76 on November 14, 2005, 09:38:01 PM
Lets save the trash talk for after the game is over.  When the game is then should the victorious team talk trash.

But after SJU wins, you will all be gone and to whom will we talk trash?


Dumo is a beast as is Good, the likes of which I guarantee your O-line has not seen in your conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 09:46:06 PM
I am not scared of Domeofaoefiefeax  whatever his name is.  I will see if he changes my mind on saturday
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 09:47:34 PM
Unless you're on the field, there's no real reason to be. He's a real nice guy.

On the field it'll be interesting how Monmouth tries to handle a guy who has the speed to block punts straight up the middle after getting through two blockers yet still has the strength to stand up a double team and still make the play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 09:50:39 PM
thats an easy answer...my favorite block....cutblock, cant make plays on the ground
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 09:52:11 PM
Sorry Scots Nation--

The Roush will not be making the trip due to weather conditions.   :(  Looks like it will be the Grand Prix GTP instead
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 09:54:50 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 09:50:39 PM
thats an easy answer...my favorite block....cutblock, cant make plays on the ground

If it was that easy, he wouldn't have 60 tackles, 13.5 for loss (69 yards lost total), 7 sacks, and 4 blocked kicks.

St. Thomas tried to cut block him a few plays last week he either side stepped them or jumped/ran over them. Cleat marks on your back really make you think twice about throwing your next cutblock.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 09:56:17 PM
Quote from: Jester76 on November 14, 2005, 09:38:01 PM
So please if you are not going to add any intellegent comments to this board please stick to your own.

We have a dearth of our intelligent comments on our own board, too. If that was the criteria for posting, we'd all be SOL.

Please, PLEASE, can't we stay and play?
Or come over to our board and talk trash. We like to play that way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:56:44 PM
What fun would trash talking be after-the-fact?  Just trying to liven your board up a little bit.

I'd consider a club to the shoulder and swim two separate moves, so I guess he has two moves, huh?  

The fact is that there are 10 of Dumonceaux's good friends that will be on the field with him that will make life miserable for the Scots.  The last time we played some Scots, they got scared and left the conference!  I hope your QB brings his Depends with, or at least a changed of pants :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 09:57:02 PM
st. thomas and im sure they were really good
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:58:18 PM
Probably better than anyone in the MWC :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:58:18 PM
Probably better than anyone in the MWC :-*

Agreed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 09:59:40 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:56:44 PM

I hope your QB brings his Depends with, or at least a changed of pants :o


Change of pants?? on artifical turf???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 10:01:15 PM
Its the soiling that comes from within he must contend with, not from the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 09:59:40 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:56:44 PM

I hope your QB brings his Depends with, or at least a changed of pants :o


Change of pants?? on artifical turf???

There's some grass over by the bleachers, if he'd rather change his pants over there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 10:12:43 PM
The closes thing we have to a head to head game is Carleton vs. Beloit.

Carleton was 2-6 in our conference yet they beat a Beloit team that was 5-4 in your conference on Beloit's turf.

More than likely this means that our conference is stonger. Past match-ups confirm this and Saturday will as well.



Your conference basically advertises it's fear of stronger conferences in your non-conference schedule. SNC played UWW I'll give them that much, but Ripon, Knox, Lake Forest, and Grinnell all scheduled Macalaster, who left the MIAC because they were sick of getting dominated year in and year out, for their 1 and only non-conference game.


MIAC is leaps and bounds above the MWC as will be seen on Saturday.




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 10:26:45 PM
I got a question, what is up with the karma????  How does it go up/down?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 10:30:14 PM
When you get to 200 posts, you get "karma privilidges."

You can applaud or smite someone, but you can only smite/applaud a person every 12 hours.

When you get applauded your karma goes up, when you get smited, it goes down.

Since you're at -3, and you seem to have only been posting tonight, 3 people dislike you or what you have to say and have smited you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 10:30:51 PM
finsleft---I just want to say thank you for choosing a monmouth pic as your pic...I believe this shows how much cooler monmouth is then st. johns
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 10:32:11 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 14, 2005, 10:30:14 PM
When you get to 200 posts, you get "karma privilidges."

You can applaud or smite someone, but you can only smite/applaud a person every 12 hours.

When you get applauded your karma goes up, when you get smited, it goes down.

Since you're at -3, and you seem to have only been posting tonight, 3 people dislike you or what you have to say and have smited you.

eh, what can you do?  Looks like I fit in well here...no one liked me on either field or the court!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 14, 2005, 10:41:26 PM
I'll show you how the karma goes down Snydz! Recently I ran out of toilet paper. I was in quite a pinch.  However, being resourceful I remembered I had something else I could use, The Sweet Season by Austin Murphy. Having wasted money buying it in the first place I made sure I used it wisely.  Thanks St. Johns for providing Mr. Murphy with the "writing" material.  Without you I would have been in quite a bit of trouble.  I'll lead the punch throwing. Here we go Scotties! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 14, 2005, 10:41:26 PM
I'll show you how the karma goes down Snydz! Recently I ran out of toilet paper. I was in quite a pinch.  However, being resourceful I remembered I had something else I could use, The Sweet Season by Austin Murphy. Having wasted money buying it in the first place I made sure I used it wisely.  Thanks St. Johns for providing Mr. Murphy with the "writing" material.  Without you I would have been in quite a bit of trouble.  I'll lead the punch throwing. Here we go Scotties! 

LMMFAO = for you johnnies who dont know the language...tough
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 10:47:50 PM
You probably would have been better suited buying a coloring book or at least a Golden Book with words small enough that you could understand.

Austin has a tendency to use 2 and 3 syllable words...big words... that I'm sure made the book well beyond your comprehension level.


I would use a book about a MWC team having a great playoff run (run consisting of more than one win) for toilet paper, but it's still about 40 years off.


Snydz,
Not nice to talk about mothers and asses in the same acronym.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebread on November 14, 2005, 10:49:55 PM
Dumo will stick to your QB much like those pages to your buttocks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 10:56:17 PM
That's some expensive toilet paper!  Newspaper would have been a better option. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 10:57:49 PM
I have to ask.  Did Monmouth send out an e-mail advertising this site after making play-offs?  It doesn't seem like any of you has much posting experience.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on November 14, 2005, 10:59:38 PM
Especially since this board is only on the 40th page...

Duffy,

Do you think think a double MonkeyStompout is possible for Saturday?  Like 49-0 or so...

The Bus is making the trip to Whitewater, be there or be square...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on November 14, 2005, 11:03:14 PM
MWC fans; Here's another comparison for you... MIAC Conference foe St. Olaf would have dominated your conference this year.  The Johnnies smoked 'em 63-9.  Enjoy the sites, the surrounds and the Stiftungfestivities....

The pregame write-up on your site is worth noting as is your rec center... looks top notch.

Just hope the 2nd/3rd stringers aren't playing before the 4th quarter, that'll tell you how the afternoon is going.... nobody comes to the gates of hell and wins in a big game... it just doesn't happen.

Developing.....

By the way, The A-Man is off limits.... anyone who publicizes DIII should be honored... The A-Man is a friend of mine.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 14, 2005, 10:30:51 PM
finsleft---I just want to say thank you for choosing a monmouth pic as your pic...I believe this shows how much cooler monmouth is then st. johns

You're welcome Snydz. I loved the picture. Monmouth seems way cool. Wish we had a guy in a turkey suit. We just have guys that put on plaid skirts and run around the field. Oh, wait a minute....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 14, 2005, 11:40:13 PM
Hey... I resemble that comment!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2005, 11:46:45 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 14, 2005, 11:40:13 PM
Hey... I resemble that comment!
Thought you would. You should really be here for your convention on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 14, 2005, 11:55:30 PM
Rocky vs. The Russian

You may be bigger. You may be faster. Everyone might be in your corner, but come the fourth quarter when the Scots have you on the ropes and you begin to bleed, and you will, even your fans will come to our side. Lets go Scots!
"We always have to be in the middle of the action 'cause we're the warriors. And without some challenge, without some damn war to fight then the warriors might as well be dead."  You know your challenge Scots now go out there and prove you are warriors once again!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:06:45 AM
Or go lay an egg, whatever comes natural
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 15, 2005, 01:12:10 AM
Damn, the board's been moving quicker than usual today.  Got all these Johnnies visiting over here and making it tough for me to keep up with 5 new pages since last night!  I know the board moves even faster on the MIAC page but I'm just used to this one rolling along nice and slow most of the time. :)  Wish I could find some time in the middle of the day to check up on the board rather than catching it all at once at night time.  Love some of the creative smack talking though, it's been alot better than Greg's bitter/jealous posts that have just grown old over the past few weeks.  Here's hoping that it all leads to one hell of a game on Saturday!

Old Fighting Scot - The young Titans are coming along--still a work in progress for now, but should turn out well.  Hope to see you in Collegeville this weekend.

Snydz, FloridaScot, ScotsR BetterThanU - I'll be calling you and some other Fighting Scots alums about hotel arrangements in St. Cloud for Friday night.  Plus we gotta figure out tailgating, etc. for Saturday prior to the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2005, 01:48:19 AM
Hopefully they all learned about it by watching the Division III selection show on ESPNews. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2005, 07:38:01 AM
SNC beat St. Thomas twice in recent history.  Doesn't really back up your theory, does it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 08:14:29 AM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2005, 07:38:01 AM
SNC beat St. Thomas twice in recent history.  Doesn't really back up your theory, does it?
So, your conference champ can sneak past (21-19 in '03, 35-31 in '02) a middle-of--the-pack MIAC team and you're going to brag about that?  Give me a break.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 08:15:11 AM
Did Jester76 run away?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2005, 08:23:56 AM
Just trying to dispel myths with fact.  You can't support your statement using fantasy games that were never played.  If you want to say that the MWC's best teams would be middle of the pack MIAC teams I couldn't really argue that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 08:31:11 AM
Quote from: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 14, 2005, 11:55:30 PM
Rocky vs. The Russian

You may be bigger. You may be faster. Everyone might be in your corner, but come the fourth quarter when the Scots have you on the ropes and you begin to bleed, and you will, even your fans will come to our side. Lets go Scots!
"We always have to be in the middle of the action 'cause we're the warriors. And without some challenge, without some damn war to fight then the warriors might as well be dead."  You know your challenge Scots now go out there and prove you are warriors once again!

We must break you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 08:55:36 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 08:31:11 AM


We must break you.

And the Johnnies are cut.....they are not a machine, they are only HUMAN!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Johnnie Red on November 15, 2005, 08:59:37 AM
Monmouth fans, you should tailgate with the Johnnies Saturday morning. You would be most welcome. We have done this in the past during the playoffs and have always enjoyed meeting visiting fans.

As previously mentioned, we will be starting at 8:00 a.m. in the parking lot behind the library, just above the scoreboard end of the football field. We will have the grills going by 9:30. Bring a culinary delight to share and the adult beverage of your choice. If you get there early enough, you should be able to find a parking spot. When you get to the four way stop, continue up the hill with the athletic complex and the stadium on your left. The church will be straight ahead at the top of the hill. Look for your first left past the stadium to get to the parking lot. Hope to see you. Best burgers in the United States to go along with the best Division III team and coach in the United States, the Johnnies and coach Gagliardi. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 09:17:24 AM
...and bring your president!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2005, 09:19:45 AM
Welcome to this site all MIAC fans.  You sure are active posters.  

Please note that there is a two haiku minimum by the end of the week.   :D

Scottie



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2005, 09:23:41 AM
For example...

Will St. John's webcast
The big game on Saturday
For the fans at home?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 09:43:27 AM
St. John's will webcast
Radio for play by play
Listen as you lose ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 09:44:38 AM
Scottie, I'll work on some Haikus.

Check here (http://www.gojohnnies.com/football/default.htm) later in the week and there should be a link to the webcast.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 09:49:56 AM
I present my opening haiku:

Johnnies will prevail
Will it be a Monkey StompTM?
Just phone it in now
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2005, 11:43:21 AM
Thanks, Duffman.   I'll check for the link later in the week.  Do you know if they have a size limit for online distribution?

Here come the Johnnies
Trash-talking intensifies
Scots talk on the field

"Monmouth Football in 2005!"  >:(
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 11:44:17 AM
Scots talk on the field
Saying we tried very hard
Dumo ate our lunch
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 09:49:56 AM
I present my opening haiku:

Johnnies will prevail
Will it be a Monkey StompTM?
Just phone it in now

Doubtful on the Monkey Stomp!!

What up Scottie????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 11:54:08 AM
Two red teams will meet
in a clash of unbeatens
the home team won't lose
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 11:54:47 AM
Dumonceaux and Good
make their home in your backfield
rough day for the Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 15, 2005, 11:43:21 AM
Thanks, Duffman.   I'll check for the link later in the week.  Do you know if they have a size limit for online distribution?

Limits? I don't know
I am Johnnie to the core
so I go to games
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 15, 2005, 09:19:45 AM 

Please note that there is a two haiku minimum by the end of the week.   :D


I'm well past that quota!  Good idea!  Trash talking in verse rocks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 11:59:29 AM
Bast with pick
Zig with a block
lving in the endzone
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 09:49:56 AM
I present my opening haiku:

Johnnies will prevail
Will it be a Monkey StompTM?
Just phone it in now

Doubtful on the Monkey Stomp!!

What up Scottie????

You doubt monkeystomp?
St. Olaf fans doubted too
They saw, Scots will too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 11:59:29 AM
Bast with pick
Zig with a block
lving in the endzone

This is no Haiku
are you a budding poet?
or just ignorant?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 15, 2005, 12:08:46 PM
Bonaduce Rat?
Duffman's avatar proves it
Fluffy ears beat kilts
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:12:32 PM
no poet...just athlete
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2005, 12:13:18 PM
"Limits? I do not know
I am Johnnie to the core
so I go to games "

Duffman, "technically" I don't think that qualifies as a haiku, either.  I would have combined "do" and "not" as "don't".   But you passed your limit, so it's all good.


Keep yappin Johnnies
We'll raise your Monkey Stomp
With two Johnnie Chomps!  (Do I need a TM here???)   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:14:48 PM
What are Johnnie Chomps?
Is that when Dumo comes in
And eats your QB?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:16:56 PM
Snydz,

You obviously never saw Duff when he played, he is definitely an athlete.
He is also the reigning Hamm's Stiftungfestivities Shotgunning Champ.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:19:22 PM
I let my athletics speak for themselves...guess you never heard of me??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:21:08 PM
Nope, they must not be speaking very loudly.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:24:13 PM
eh, obviously you dont check out D3 hoops!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:27:28 PM
but i dont think anyone has ever heard of your boy Duff
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on November 15, 2005, 12:27:41 PM
Well I will have to admit that the new banter is welcome and appreciated. Let it be known that MC has a few D-linemen that can play some ball. Also, it is common knowledge that the F*ing Scots can be a force on special teams, as far as kick blocking is concerned.

I on behalf of the rest of the Scots Nation appreciate the tailgating invite. My tailgating will begin in the Tampa international airport lounge on Thursday evening, so I should be good and ready by the time we arrive in Minnesota.
FCB, now the comment about the SWEET SEASON. That was a tad uncalled for, we both enjoyed that book alot. Now I personnaly printed out numerous team pictures from the St. John's website and wiped my ass with those.
Maverick and Snydz, were gonna be leaving Chicago on Friday night after FCB is done with work.
Let it be known that the fat kid in the turkey suit is the LB.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:30:58 PM
Snydz,
Nope, don't follow D3hoops especially in the offseason.
Use chapstick or you might get sore lips from tooting your own horn so much.


While many people may not have hear of my boy Duff, a lot of people have heard of the West region champs ring he wears.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:33:16 PM
not tooting my own horn, just stating facts
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: FloridaScot on November 15, 2005, 12:27:41 PM
Well I will have to admit that the new banter is welcome and appreciated. Let it be known that MC has a few D-linemen that can play some ball. Also, it is common knowledge that the F*ing Scots can be a force on special teams, as far as kick blocking is concerned.

I on behalf of the rest of the Scots Nation appreciate the tailgating invite. My tailgating will begin in the Tampa international airport lounge on Thursday evening, so I should be good and ready by the time we arrive in Minnesota.
FCB, now the comment about the SWEET SEASON. That was a tad uncalled for, we both enjoyed that book alot. Now I personnaly printed out numerous team pictures from the St. John's website and wiped my ass with those.
Maverick and Snydz, were gonna be leaving Chicago on Friday night after FCB is done with work.
Let it be known that the fat kid in the turkey suit is the LB.

Hey floridascot, FCB has my cell number so give me a call fir night...i will be minneanpolis fri night
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 12:35:50 PM
Monmouth College comes
Stiftungfestivities rock
The Johnnies will win
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 12:30:58 PM
Snydz,
Nope, don't follow D3hoops especially in the offseason.
Use chapstick or you might get sore lips from tooting your own horn so much.


While many people may not have hear of my boy Duff, a lot of people have heard of the West region champs ring he wears.

nice of you to talk for him and talk about his accomplishments...congrats to him, but this is between you and i...and i think my fellow scots nation can back me up with my accomplishments
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:41:50 PM
Congrats on your accomplishments, but what does that have to do with the price of rice in China or Monmouth's impending playoff exit that begins in 96 hours and 18 minutes?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:43:16 PM
you tell me since you started it...i just simply stated that i was not a poet but an athlete
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 12:46:02 PM
You're the one who brought up that you're a great athlete... unfortunately for your Scots its not between the endlines.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:48:01 PM
show me where i said that i was a great athlete????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 12:49:16 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 15, 2005, 12:13:18 PM
Duffman, "technically" I don't think that qualifies as a haiku, either.  I would have combined "do" and "not" as "don't".   But you passed your limit, so it's all good.

Oh, good call.  I screwed that one up.  I'll go back and edit it.  Still new to the haiku.

I screwed that one up
I feel stupid and foolish
just like the Scots will
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:51:53 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 12:16:56 PM
Snydz,

You obviously never saw Duff when he played, he is definitely an athlete.
He is also the reigning Hamm's Stiftungfestivities Shotgunning Champ.

and before that you can quote me as saying that i m not a poet, but an athlete
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 12:51:53 PM
I was an athlete
now I am just a has-been
wasting time with verse
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 12:16:56 PM
Snydz,

You obviously never saw Duff when he played, he is definitely an athlete.
He is also the reigning Hamm's Stiftungfestivities Shotgunning Champ.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 12:16:56 PM
Snydz,

You obviously never saw Duff when he played, he is definitely an athlete.
He is also the reigning Hamm's Stiftungfestivities Shotgunning Champ.

before that you can quote me as saying that i m not a poet, but an athlete

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 15, 2005, 01:00:02 PM
Injury free game Saturday for both  teams.

You Monmouth folks knew this was coming, didn't you?
You see the umpteen posts on the MIAC board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
Schnapps and hot cocoa
Serenaded by bagpipes
Eating my burger
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on November 15, 2005, 01:40:27 PM
Can we get some info on Monmouth?  I don't know anything.  Spew some facts at me like: location, size of school, depts of excellence, good athletic programs, and how far of a drive it will be to Collegeville.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: Bus Driver on November 15, 2005, 01:40:27 PM
Can we get some info on Monmouth?  I don't know anything.  Spew some facts at me like: location, size of school, depts of excellence, good athletic programs, and how far of a drive it will be to Collegeville.

Ahem...haiku please!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 01:44:53 PM
Bus Driver questions
but forgets to use haiku
he receives my smite
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 01:52:11 PM
umm you could maybe to to the Monmouth website lazy
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 01:53:12 PM
Here ya go BD, I'll help you out. It's fun in a twisted literate way.


What's up with Monmouth?
Bus Driver needs some info
Scots tell him 'bout you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 01:56:40 PM
Bus Driver's lazy
Can't find Monmouth website
Snydz getting cranky
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 01:56:40 PM
Bus Driver's lazy
Can't find Monmouth website
Snydz getting cranky

LOL, nah not cranky, just curious as too how hard it is to research by yourself
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: finsleft on November 15, 2005, 01:56:40 PM
Bus Driver's lazy
Can't find Monmouth website
Snydz getting cranky

LOL, nah not cranky, just curious as too how hard it is to research by yourself

Wait 'til you meet Bus.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 02:31:12 PM
Shotgunning Hamms, FUN!
Monkey Stomp is guaranteed.
Mon Balls shrink in cold
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 02:34:16 PM
I talk of my Roush
but really drive a Chevette
Hi, my name is Snydz
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on November 15, 2005, 02:36:07 PM
Yep fins is right.  I am the handsome guy in pink with a babe on each arm...  

You Monmouth guys sure aren't too accomodating!  I didnt feel like perusing your site to find a few simple details.  Sounds like you guys are cranky already and it is only Tuesday.  Just wait til Saturday evening...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Touchdown Tommy on November 15, 2005, 02:36:59 PM
Duffy,

You are entering a world of hurt.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: Bus Driver on November 15, 2005, 02:30:50 PM
I'll be the guy in pink with a babe on each arm...

Meet the babes and the busdriver:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethestaryouare.org%2Fmerlot%2C%2520potbelly%2520pig.jpg&hash=ee3742c1a1f43cb1df97ab7d8ef025e19efec1e5) (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mypkhome.com%2Fpig%2Fpig-15.jpg&hash=a337343a64a98a8e795eb7ecec4e4c851effcf62)
Quote
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2005, 02:39:04 PM
At your service...

http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/football/index.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 02:43:06 PM
Dumo will run wild
Your D will get run over
Warm up the Greyhound
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 02:34:16 PM
I talk of my Rousch
but really drive a Chevette
Hi, my name is Snydz

It is Roush numb nuts
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:50:08 PM
and sorry you can't afford one!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:50:08 PM
and sorry you can't afford one!!!

Why would Duffman want to step down from his corvette and drive a Ford?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 02:51:59 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 02:34:16 PM
I talk of my Rousch
but really drive a Chevette
Hi, my name is Snydz

It is Roush numb nuts

This talk of numb nuts
Coming from the mouth of Snydz
go dribble your balls ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:52:58 PM
a vette????  plz, can i get some competition here????  Everyone and their grandma has a vette, not everyone has a Roush!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 02:54:23 PM
Probably because no one wants a Roush.

Me thinks you watched the Fast and the Furious 12 times too many.


Hey, lets put $7,000 worth of parts on a car and call it a different name and then cry when it breaks down at 70,000 miles.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 02:54:23 PM
Probably because no one wants a Roush.

Me thinks you watched the Fast and the Furious 12 times too many.


Hey, lets put $7,000 worth of parts on a car and call it a different name and then cry when it breaks down at 70,000 miles.

thats funny b/c mien seems to be doing just fine at over 90,000 and getting better mileage than you new junker!!

But hey, I'm sorry to disappoint you since I will be unable to bring it to the game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 03:00:27 PM
Actually, I drive a 97 cavalier and will probably have it for several more years, at least until I finish school. Hard to argue with 140k miles 36 MPG and never broken down.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 03:02:59 PM
nice, congrats.  i am out of school, and my first purchase was the Roush, and i get 32 mi/gal  not since i m supposed to only get 23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 03:03:54 PM
Please, please, I roll in a Honda.  Your Roush have a big aluminum wing and a coffee can for a tailpipe?  You sound like that type of guy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 03:06:33 PM
Sounds like a great first investment out of school, too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TC on November 15, 2005, 03:07:56 PM
Both teams wear red shirts.
One team fills theirs with talent.
The other?  Turkeys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TC on November 15, 2005, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 03:06:33 PM
Sounds like a great first investment out of school, too.

Nothing like preparing for retirement by throwing your money towards a depreciating asset.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 03:09:52 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 03:06:33 PM
Sounds like a great first investment out of school, too.

Eh, why not?  I'm sure that if I were to bring it, the johnnie crowd might not show up to the game...just be in awww
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 15, 2005, 03:10:10 PM
snydz-
Why does it not surprise me that you drive one of those peices of crap that has a freakin huge spoiler (for what reason, I have no idea) and with a "super-charged" engine with neon lights and thinks he is money?  Do you have those rockford-fosgate subs in the back too?  That's cool too because everyone thinks you're cool driving down the road.

Mighty Royal

umm well you are actually all wrong, not supercharged, no big stereo, just a standard Roush Stage 2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 03:14:11 PM
What, not even supercharged??? What a waste of a Roush! I bet Mrs. Roush and her team of fairies are very disappointed in your lack of Roushness


At what mileage does a car and its owner realize that they are out of the braggable stage?

I could have sworn 50,000 was the cut-off for a car being sweet... unless it is a classic.  And no, the roush is not a classic.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 03:15:02 PM
but I would love to stay and chat about it, just ask some of the fellow scots about it.  I am off for a while so talk your crap about cars all you want...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 03:16:33 PM
I'll leave the car topic with the following:

My Accord is sweet
it's V-6 purrs like a cat
no wing for this guy

PS - no one cares about your car
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 03:15:02 PM
but I would love to stay and chat about it, just ask some of the fellow scots about it.  I am off for a while so talk your crap about cars all you want...

Must be someone at the drive thru.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TC on November 15, 2005, 03:28:37 PM
Can't beat my Yukon.
Let's take your car to Whitewater,
I get 12 per gallon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 03:31:30 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 03:15:02 PM
but I would love to stay and chat about it, just ask some of the fellow scots about it.  I am off for a while so talk your crap about cars all you want...

Must be someone at the drive thru.

May I help you, sir?
Would you like to supersize?
Pay at the window.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 15, 2005, 05:16:18 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa

Scots Nation must now come together to foil the evil empire. 

Darth Gagliardi will be defeated when he reveals to the young jedi Luke Tanney that he is his father.  Tanney will then unleash a barrage of light saber strikes to ChuHaffner, to stun the empire.  The final blow will be struck by the Armada of Destroyers, MC's defense (if you dont know you better ask somebody, quick fast and in a hurry). 

Domino's may have good D
You dont want to piss of Zigs
Gagliardi's Offense should get down and/or step out....

MC Football in 05, Shock the world baby!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 05:37:14 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 15, 2005, 05:16:18 PM
Domino's may have good D
You dont want to piss of Zigs
Gagliardi's Offense should get down and/or step out....

Learn the rules of the haiku!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2005, 05:47:22 PM
I think that was called, "freestyle."   ;)

First line, 5 syllables
Second line, 7 syllables
Third line, 5 syllables

v
v
v

Sev'ral days away
Scots and Johnnies are restless
And so are the fans
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 15, 2005, 05:47:40 PM
Some teachers think children should be taught to write haiku that conform to these rigid specifications. I disagree. The essence of haiku is the way it describes natural phenomena in the fewest number of words, making an indelible impression on the reader. The artistic effect, to me, is much more important than the number of syllables.

Bruce Lansky....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 15, 2005, 05:48:12 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 03:31:30 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 03:15:02 PM
but I would love to stay and chat about it, just ask some of the fellow scots about it.  I am off for a while so talk your crap about cars all you want...

Must be someone at the drive thru.

May I help you, sir?
Would you like to supersize?
Pay at the window.

ritz your my idol...thanks for putting my pic up..now everyone will know who i am when they see me the game!!!  I will be more popular with your fans than your own team!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 15, 2005, 07:17:45 PM
200 - Goodnight now!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lfcsports on November 15, 2005, 07:40:29 PM
MIAC goons
Use too many syllables
We've got better schools

Yes, I am aware
Haiku can be more free-form
But it's fun to jab

Watch out for Tanney
Second-highest pass rating
In Division III
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 07:48:43 PM
It is so easy
To put up outstanding stats
When you play chump teams

The only thing that
Your conference does thats worthwhile
Packer Cheerleaders

Your season soon ends
Enjoy the long offseason
Better luck next year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 15, 2005, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 15, 2005, 03:11:57 PM
I didn't know AO drives a roush and switched his name to snydz

Mighty Royal

MR: I karmalized you for that one ;)  Too bad he doesn't know AO
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 15, 2005, 07:54:06 PM
Quote from: TC on November 15, 2005, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2005, 03:06:33 PM
Sounds like a great first investment out of school, too.

Nothing like preparing for retirement by throwing your money towards a depreciating asset.

TC you are a wise man. I karmalized you for that one ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 15, 2005, 08:07:25 PM
Anybody in Minn. a weatherman because it looks like us Scots are gonna be driving up in some pretty bad weather. What are they saying closer to you about snow? Any info on that would be appreciated.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 15, 2005, 08:10:22 PM
All I can say is I hope the F*ing Scots put up a better fight on the field than their athletic supports have in this forum.  It's like Eddie Murphy's welfare kid at MacDonald's routine around here!  "I drive a hotted up car, and youooooouuuu don't."

And what's up with the Japenese poetry?  The F*ing Scots should be doing plays on Oor Wullie or such:

Fair fa' your rosy-cheekit face,
Your muckle buits, wi' broken lace,
Although you're always in disgrace,
An' get your spanks,
In all our hearts ye have your place,
Despite your pranks.

At least sounds like trash talk and Scottish.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 08:15:08 PM
Not sure about expected weather, but they usually do a pretty good job of keeping I-94 clear at least one lane of it.

St. John's campus is seriously less than a mile and a half off of the highway, so if you're going straight to SJU, you shouldn't have any problems. Its a fairly major county road and on gameday it will be clear.

Weather.com says rain and snow showers mixed on Friday and few snow showers with a high of 38 for Saturday, I trust weather forecasters as much as I trust the NCAA to make a reasonable playoff bracket.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 15, 2005, 08:15:08 PM
Not sure about expected weather, but they usually do a pretty good job of keeping I-94 clear at least one lane of it.

St. John's campus is seriously less than a mile and a half off of the highway, so if you're going straight to SJU, you shouldn't have any problems. Its a fairly major county road and on gameday it will be clear.

Weather.com says rain and snow showers mixed on Friday and few snow showers with a high of 38 for Saturday, I trust weather forecasters as much as I trust the NCAA to make a reasonable playoff bracket.

thanks for the weather update
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 08:55:25 PM
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 08:57:47 PM
what about back roads?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 08:58:58 PM
Backroads are at your own risk. They get to 'em when they get to 'em. If a gov't employee doesn't live on your road it may be march.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 15, 2005, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 02:52:58 PM
a vette????  plz, can i get some competition here????  Everyone and their grandma has a vette, not everyone has a Roush!!

I had a rousch once.  I went to the doctor and he game me an ointment.  Cleared it right up and it's never come back.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 15, 2005, 09:18:58 PM
Anyone thinking about POY's for the conf.
They seem like a lock to me and I'm not even for Monmouth

Offense- Tanney

Defense- Zigler

Might as well give it to Bell and take the sweep unless they feel for Belwa's Coach DeGeorge in his last season going 5-5
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 15, 2005, 09:23:23 PM
To all MWC posters:

Do you like Hamm's beer?
Central Minnesota Martinis?
1980's professional wrestling?
1980's sitcoms?
Shotgunning beers?
Deer hunting?
Marcia or Jan?
Ginger or Mary Ann?
Wilma or Betty?

This is how we (MIAC Board) get 460++ pages,plus we are all unemployed and live in our parents basements :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 09:29:16 PM
ROR,

Saw a guy in the weightroom at school today wearing a Gluek's shirt!

He said he got it from a friend and had no idea where Cold Spring was. I was rather disappointed.

Did you know Gluek's offers free tours?  http://www.gluek.com/events.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 15, 2005, 09:31:54 PM
For St. Johns fans, there were only 2 teams with more than 6 wins in our conf.  Monmouth and St. Norbert (8-2).  They are the only teams in the conf. that would be able to do anything, given the chance.  They are head and shoulders above anyone else in this conf.  2 other teams had 6 wins and 5 teams finished under .500, there is a long way to go before parity is reached in this conf, but it has been discussed before on this board and most schools won't sacrifice academics in order to build a program.  Football isn't a high priority around most of the schools.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: ScoutTeamHero on November 15, 2005, 09:31:54 PM
For St. Johns fans, there were only 2 teams with more than 6 wins in our conf.  Monmouth and St. Norbert (8-2).  They are the only teams in the conf. that would be able to do anything, given the chance.  They are head and shoulders above anyone else in this conf.  2 other teams had 6 wins and 5 teams finished under .500, there is a long way to go before parity is reached in this conf, but it has been discussed before on this board and most schools won't sacrifice academics in order to build a program.  Football isn't a high priority around most of the schools.

I agree Scout, and since most of our schools are not near major university to get the dropouts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 15, 2005, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: sjusection105 on November 15, 2005, 09:23:23 PM
To all MWC posters:

Do you like Hamm's beer?
Central Minnesota Martinis?
1980's professional wrestling?
1980's sitcoms?
Shotgunning beers?
Deer hunting?
Marcia or Jan?
Ginger or Mary Ann?
Wilma or Betty?

This is how we (MIAC Board) get 460++ pages,plus we are all unemployed and live in our parents basements :D

not the questions to ask....

Soda or pop?
Bud or MGD?
Bud light or Miller Lite?
Bud Select or Miller High Life?
Popcorn or Peanuts?

we love to eat in the MWC and drink beer.  screw the 80's nonsense


Snydz822121, we wait with great anticipation your coming appearance in Collegeville this weekend.  It is a good thing you have made us all aware of your impending presence and your overwhelming coolness.  We do not pretend to be worthy; but we do hope to bask in your glow for this one day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 09:35:38 PM
I agree Scout, and since most of our schools are not near major university to get the dropouts.

What is that supposed to mean?

SJU is 90 miles from the U of MN on the map and multiple echelons above them from an academic perspective.

I would hope you know better than to start ripping on the academic integrity and rigor of the MIAC. We had one of the 3 DIII honorees for The National Football Foundation & College Hall of Fame National scholar athlete class, Matt Hawn who has a 4.0 or damn near in Biology and pre-dentistry courses. Our stud d-lineman? Biochem and Mathematics double major.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 15, 2005, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: sjusection105 on November 15, 2005, 09:23:23 PM

This is how we (MIAC Board) get 460++ pages,plus we are all unemployed and live in our parents basements :D


At St. Johns, you also have as many posters for your team as this whole confrence does with 10 teams.  Nearly all of the posters are from MC and SNC, with very few inbetween.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 09:49:03 PM
We usually start out with a fair number of posters from other schools besides SJU talking up their school and how they will beat SJU.

Once their team plays SJU, they fade away rapidly. Some concordia fans have stuck around mostly because of the close game and because they're in the playoffs too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 09:56:55 PM
eh, **** happens...am i supposed to be scured???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 15, 2005, 09:57:41 PM
"It is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness."
-Seneca, Roman Statesman

Nobody said it would be easy Scots but you got the chance. Capitalize on it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 15, 2005, 09:58:33 PM
I would say at least 3 or 4 teams are not represented and if schools are only by a few posters besides the big 2, well it was  mostly 2 until the early success of SNC this year.  When that happened most all quit posting except Monmouth fans.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 10:15:42 PM
hey scout what school did/do you go to?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: retiredoldrat on November 15, 2005, 09:39:45 PM
Snydz822121, we wait with great anticipation your coming appearance in Collegeville this weekend.  It is a good thing you have made us all aware of your impending presence and your overwhelming coolness.  We do not pretend to be worthy; but we do hope to bask in your glow for this one day.


well i am sure that you will find me...i won't be hard to see with my glow
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 15, 2005, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 15, 2005, 11:11:00 PM
Hey Kilted...I stuck around after BU lost?  Where are the props?  ???

Mighty Royal

I karmalize you at every opportunity! What more props does a nerd like you need than to be rewarded with mythical points?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 11:23:27 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 15, 2005, 11:09:09 PM
Hey Snydz,
You want to talk about academics?  I played football and soccer for Bethel and was a Chemistry (B.S.) Major...I graduated with a 3.59 which I think is pretty respectable in Chemistry.  Duffman was also a Chemistry major and a great football player for SJU.  If you want to compare academic standards between conferences, by all means, but I am just warning you that you won't fair to well against us MIACers...by the way Kilted is a very smart cookie...he will own you like his little red headed step child!

Mighty Royal

you played football and soccer?  thats kinda an oxymoron isn't it?  But if you want to get into the sport playing, I played 3 sports at Monmouth, Football Basketball and Baseball.  Congrats on the Chemistry major and the GPA.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on November 15, 2005, 11:25:18 PM
Gosh, I love it when the ``we're smarter in the xxx conference or xxx program so we aren't as good at football'' themes begin. That and criticizing spelling are the defenses of last resort for lame posters.

What is really hilarious in this case, is that you don't really want to go there.  Since an MWC poster brought academics up, Monmouth's average ACT would put it at the dead bottom of the MIAC -- and several notches below the rest of the league.

Please pick another reason for the upcoming loss.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 11:37:37 PM
thanks for the idolizing snydz!!! ;D

Weather-wise...tonight is a real bitch in Central MN...30 degrees with 45-50 mh gusts....freezing rain, a real mess!  Good thing the traveling is not going on tonight or tomorrow.

It is supposed to be in the mid-upper 30's Friday maybe nearing low 40's...might be a good idea to get an early start..

Like Kilted said, 94 is a usually in good shape, but safe bet is to get to wherer you need to go before too late
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: ScoutTeamHero on November 15, 2005, 09:31:54 PM
For St. Johns fans, there were only 2 teams with more than 6 wins in our conf.  Monmouth and St. Norbert (8-2).  They are the only teams in the conf. that would be able to do anything, given the chance.  They are head and shoulders above anyone else in this conf.  2 other teams had 6 wins and 5 teams finished under .500, there is a long way to go before parity is reached in this conf, but it has been discussed before on this board and most schools won't sacrifice academics in order to build a program.  Football isn't a high priority around most of the schools.

I agree Scout, and since most of our schools are not near major university to get the dropouts.

You must be refering to some teams in your neck of the woods with those statements... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 15, 2005, 11:54:25 PM
Prediction....any time now someone will suggest
'Why don't you go back to your own board?"

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on November 15, 2005, 11:58:57 PM
No hitting pansy.....Eh lets not go there. Prepare how you will.  I'll end the night with another quote. If you can get this one you are a true 80s movie fan. "You gonna make a wave this year?"   Don't be satisfied Scots. Keep rollin! Make your wave.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 16, 2005, 01:28:37 AM
Quote from: sjusection105 on November 15, 2005, 09:23:23 PM
To all MWC posters:

Do you like Hamm's beer?
Central Minnesota Martinis?
1980's professional wrestling?
1980's sitcoms?
Shotgunning beers?
Deer hunting?
Marcia or Jan?
Ginger or Mary Ann?
Wilma or Betty?

This is how we (MIAC Board) get 460++ pages,plus we are all unemployed and live in our parents basements :D

sjusection105 - I'll oblige you, climb onto the hot seat, and answer all the tough questions.  Here goes...
I'd take some Hamm's beers
Don't know the Central Minnesota martinis, sorry
Grew up on the 80's wrestling!
Some 80's sitcoms ok, some not so good
Shotgunning beers, hell yes!
Deer hunting, never been--would rather go after a bear ;D
Marcia, or maybe both--is that an option?
Toss-up between Ginger and Mary Ann
Wilma all the way

Quote from: DenSLA on November 15, 2005, 11:54:25 PM
Prediction....any time now someone will suggest
'Why don't you go back to your own board?"

DenSLA - I feel like I'm just the guy to make a suggestion at this point, just not the one you predicted.  My suggestion is to forget all the car nonsense, the who played how many sports at what school, the "our conference's schools are smarter than your conference's schools" crap, and all the rest of the stuff that doesn't matter.  The smack talking from Monday was pretty creative; other than a few good haikus today (Tuesday), there wasn't much here.  I'm hoping it bounces back in tomorrow's posts, get some more haikus and other creative thoughts (I know you Minnesota guys have lots of free time on your hands at this point of the year to come up with witty remarks since you're probably spending alot of time inside right now since it's getting so damn cold out), and maybe a few posts will even discuss the actual football game! :D

Quote from: ritz72 on November 15, 2005, 11:37:37 PM
Weather-wise...tonight is a real bitch in Central MN...30 degrees with 45-50 mh gusts....freezing rain, a real mess!  Good thing the traveling is not going on tonight or tomorrow.

It is supposed to be in the mid-upper 30's Friday maybe nearing low 40's...might be a good idea to get an early start..

Like Kilted said, 94 is a usually in good shape, but safe bet is to get to wherer you need to go before too late

ritz72 - Similar weather down here in west-central Illinois tonight.  Temp is around 30 degrees and winds around 40 mph, just don't have the freezing rain right now.  The rain ended before it got really chilly outside.  Good to hear that I-94 is usually in good shape, because I'm not gonna be able to get much of an early start on Friday... >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TRU on November 16, 2005, 07:04:50 AM
How to write Haiku-----From a Japanese master

In Japanese, the rules for how to write Haiku are clear, and will not be discussed—( In other words they are too complex for most you who post on this board).  In foreign languages, there exist NO consensus in how to write Haiku-poems. Anyway, let's take a look at the basic knowledge:

What to write about?

Haiku-poems can describe almost anything, but you seldom find themes, which are too complicated for normal PEOPLE's recognition and understanding. (Translation after a 30 pack of Hamm's you must still be able to comprehend the meaning of the poem.) Some of the most thrilling Haiku-poems describe daily situations in a way that gives the reader a brand new experience of a well-known situation. ( Like having a Monkey Stomp put on you by SJU)

The metrical pattern of Haiku---

Haiku-poems consist of respectively 5, 7 and 5 syllables in three units. In Japanese, this convention is a must, but in English, which has variation in the length of syllables, this can sometimes be difficult. ( Or impossible when you are on the second 30 pack)

The technique of cutting--

The cutting divides the Haiku into two parts, with a certain imaginative distance between the two sections, but the two sections must remain, to a degree, independent of each other. Both sections must enrich the understanding of the other.
To make this cutting in English, either the first or the second line ends normally with a colon, long dash or ellipsis. (or as seen her all to often a thud)

The seasonal theme---.

Each Haiku must contain a kigo, a season word, ( like Monkey Stomp) which indicate in which season the Haiku is set. For example, cherry blossoms indicate spring, snow indicate winter, and mosquitoes indicate summer, but the season word isn't always that obvious. ( You guys fill in the blanks here)


Please notice that Haiku-poems are written under different rules and in many languages. For translated Haiku-poems, the translator must decide whether he should obey the rules strictly, or if he should present the exact essence of the Haiku. For Haiku-poems originally written in English, the poet should be more careful. ( Posters are always careful or are they just always full - I forget which?)  These are the difficulties, and the pleasure of Haiku.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 08:25:40 AM
Has anyone seen my claymore???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 08:46:44 AM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 08:25:40 AM
Has anyone seen my claymore???

Walk around your back yard, you might step on it!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 08:53:36 AM
you might want to look up claymore.   I think that Scots Nation will be bringing a few
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 08:46:44 AM


Walk around your back yard, you might step on it!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 09:01:56 AM
Does it come in dartboard size?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Buckman on November 16, 2005, 09:03:56 AM
Snydz - no reason to be bringing swords to football games!  I think you'll find out we're quite an amicable bunch.  However, maybe there's a way of incorporating one of your claymore's into the Hamm's shotgunning competition on Saturday.  Maybe it could be used as the can puncturing device.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 16, 2005, 09:04:04 AM
Advice to Mr. Perfect:

Don't Bring a Knife to a Gun Fight.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 09:06:06 AM
Wait, you're bringing explosive devices to the game?  I think Life Safety Services will frown upon that :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2005, 09:24:40 AM
Part of my post from Monday morning...

"And, finally... Congrats to the Scots and good luck against St. John's - one of the most storied programs in DIII football.  And, from the posts that I've read so far, some of the classiest fans."

Looks like I was way off on this one...

Looking forward to the webcast.  Good luck Scots!

Scottie
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 08:53:36 AM
you might want to look up claymore.   I think that Scots Nation will be bringing a few
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 08:46:44 AM


Walk around your back yard, you might step on it!!!! ;D

Thanks for the advice.... I did!

The M18 Claymore, a directional fragmentation mine, is 8-1/2 inches long, 1-3/8 inches wide, 3-1/4 inches high, and weighs 3-1/2 pounds. The mine contains 700 steel spheres (10.5 grains) and 1-1/2 pound layer of composition C-4 explosive and is initiated by a No. 2 electric blasting cap. The M18 command-detonated mine may be employed with obstacles or on the approaches, forward edges, flanks and rear edges of protective minefields as close-in protection against a dismounted Infantry attack.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 16, 2005, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2005, 09:24:40 AMLooks like I was way off on this one...

Someone has no concept of fun trash-talking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 09:29:45 AM
It's not that fun when you realize that your team will be entering the "Gates of Hell!"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2005, 09:24:40 AM
Part of my post from Monday morning...

"And, finally... Congrats to the Scots and good luck against St. John's - one of the most storied programs in DIII football.  And, from the posts that I've read so far, some of the classiest fans."

Looks like I was way off on this one...

Looking forward to the webcast.  Good luck Scots!

Oh Come now Scottie----This is fun!  It's only Wednesday....The way things work in the MIAC board is that no true football talk starts until Friday night!

Scottie
;D

We are all in fun, and if you talk to the RPI guys in the LL, you will know that all this going on is trash talking and when you show up on Saturday, you'll be welcomed to Collegeville with a "hi", a Hamms, and a great burger!!!

Weather update from central MN ---- 25 degrees with gusts around 30 mph!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 09:35:01 AM
And,

We are all DI dropout posters ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2005, 09:53:41 AM
Wolves in sheep's clothing....  Or, Hamms in a Samuel Adams bottle.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 16, 2005, 09:54:35 AM
Hey man, just be thankful we're willing to talk to you. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 16, 2005, 09:57:12 AM
I just don't think that people on our board are used to the board turning over 20 times in 3 days, usually it only turns over at most 2 times a week.  I like the competitiveness out of the MIAC, its something that isn't here for most teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 16, 2005, 10:01:25 AM
that and lots of fans who care about their team, high school teams get better crowds than most of this conf.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 16, 2005, 10:08:55 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2005, 09:53:41 AM
Wolves in sheep's clothing....  Or, Hamms in a Samuel Adams bottle.  ;)

I like that one, Scottie.
Yeah, we're all nuts. But you're in for a thrill if you come to Collegeville Saturday. Weather's looking up a bit - 40 and sunny? A little sun and no wind makes a big difference when you're standing outside all day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 10:19:51 AM
Quote from: chris56317 on November 16, 2005, 09:03:56 AM
Snydz - no reason to be bringing swords to football games!  I think you'll find out we're quite an amicable bunch.  However, maybe there's a way of incorporating one of your claymore's into the Hamm's shotgunning competition on Saturday.  Maybe it could be used as the can puncturing device.

what other reson would it be brought for?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 10:21:35 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 09:29:45 AM
It's not that fun when you realize that your team will be entering the "Gates of Hell!"

St. Johns is Hades?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 10:25:35 AM
thanks for the smite johnnies...

how much snow fell at st. johns last night?  any?  any word on how much will be on the ground by friday?  kickoff?

I'm sure it is snowing there, since I am in Ohio and we have snow flurries, no accumulation though

Now I have 2 pics on here!  Am I Mr. Popular with the Johnnie crowd?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on November 16, 2005, 10:27:31 AM
Regarding the Claymore. It is, as was mentioned earlier, designed as a directional explosive device. It was designed with MWC fans in mind in that on the "business" side of the arced mine it has the words "THIS SIDE TOWARD ENEMY" Believe it or not!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 16, 2005, 10:30:54 AM
Snydz - You da Man! Don't take the smites personally. Some smite just for the sport of it. If you really want to get your karma going in a positive direction, I'd suggest sucking up a little more. Like learn the Johnnie Fight Song. Playing it on the pipes would almost guarantee you points.

Oh, and minimal snow. The field and the roads should be clear. Bring your roush Pinto.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 10:35:11 AM
Nah, the Roush stays at home...getting cold out there, can't drive it in the cold.  and I would show pic, bu they are too big.  so sorry if you dont believe me.

I do not know how to play the pipes, although if I did, I wouldn't have to pay for college.....maybe I should go back to Monmouth when I learn how to play the pipes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: finsleft on November 16, 2005, 10:30:54 AM
Snydz - You da Man! Don't take the smites personally. Some smite just for the sport of it. If you really want to get your karma going in a positive direction, I'd suggest sucking up a little more. Like learn the Johnnie Fight Song. Playing it on the pipes would almost guarantee you points.

Oh, and minimal snow. The field and the roads should be clear. Bring your roush Pinto.

is there snow in the forcast for today, tomorrow, friday, sat??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 10:42:12 AM
Snydz,

If you're worried about the field, its turf and they literally plow it clean. It becomes a bit slippery but not too bad.


Where in Ohio you from? Grew up in Mansfield myself (halfway between Cleveland and Columbus). The drive from OH to MN is pretty straightforward. Message me if you want directions (80/90 to Madison, 94 from there on)/cop hotspots etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Buckman on November 16, 2005, 10:47:14 AM
We got very minimal snow here.  They're talking about a chance of snow again on Saturday, but who knows.  Forecast as of now for Saturday is 42 with 40% chance of snow and 10-15 mph winds (won't play much of a factor down in the bowl).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 11:03:24 AM
Sun is peeking out!

Liking the forcast for Saturday!!  Ritz and the "Ritz Bitz" will be wearing the armor!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 16, 2005, 11:09:38 AM
Chris, great pic of Snydz.
Lots of stuff to keep up with, I have classes all day and by the time lunch comes around, i am behind.
Hope all is well up in the tundra.  Monmouth is ready to play spoiler, unfortunatly I will not be attending the festival. Every one please have a Hamm's (in Hartford, WI, you can buy one get one free cases of that stuff) for me.
GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 11:14:33 AM
Hartford, WI right on 60. Last stop for gas pretty much until you hit the beautiful town of Hustisford, better known for Radloff's cheese and the Toilet Bowl!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2005, 11:09:38 AM
Chris, great pic of Snydz.
Lots of stuff to keep up with, I have classes all day and by the time lunch comes around, i am behind.
Hope all is well up in the tundra.  Monmouth is ready to play spoiler, unfortunatly I will not be attending the festival. Every one please have a Hamm's (in Hartford, WI, you can buy one get one free cases of that stuff) for me.
GO SCOTS!



Buy one get one on Hamms!!!!

Can anyone say "ROADTRIP!!!"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 16, 2005, 11:18:45 AM
OMG I havent heard of Hustisford in a long time... one of the worst HS football teams ever
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 11:19:16 AM
HAMMS!  The only thing that can take one's mind off the crappy weather in Minn. is a beer that tastes that bad.

Next thing you know they'll start bragging about Red Stripe or Grain Belt.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 16, 2005, 10:42:12 AM
Snydz,

If you're worried about the field, its turf and they literally plow it clean. It becomes a bit slippery but not too bad.


Where in Ohio you from? Grew up in Mansfield myself (halfway between Cleveland and Columbus). The drive from OH to MN is pretty straightforward. Message me if you want directions (80/90 to Madison, 94 from there on)/cop hotspots etc.

I am in Oxford, OH kilt
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 11:19:16 AM
HAMMS!  The only thing that can take one's mind off the crappy weather in Minn. is a beer that tastes that bad.

Next thing you know they'll start bragging about Red Stripe or Grain Belt.

GO SCOTS!
Mc--

I'm sure you are a great guy, but I HAD to smite you for speaking such blastphamy!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2005, 11:24:27 AM
With all of that Hamms, are the port-a-Johnnies adequately stocked with paper - if you know what I mean?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2005, 11:24:27 AM
With all of that Hamms, are the port-a-Johnnies adequately stocked with paper - if you know what I mean?

There are adequate facilities behing the "double wide-double tall"  with advertising and all...

Ask the Bus about Pregnancy Testing! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 11:19:16 AM
Next thing you know they'll start bragging about Red Stripe or Grain Belt.

While Hamm's was born in MN, it is a Wisconsin-made beer, now.  Grain Belt is a MN beer, and one of my favorites.  Don't talk bad about it.  Red Stripe?  How did a Jamaican beer even cross your mind?  It's a mighty fine beer, too, though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 11:34:30 AM
Never had a Hamm's...must be like a Natty Light
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: kubiack78 on November 16, 2005, 11:18:45 AM
OMG I havent heard of Hustisford in a long time... one of the worst HS football teams ever

HEY!! My dad played for Husti in the early 70's!  It's hard for a town of 600 (1000 now) to field a halfway decent football team!


SNYdz,

You going to Miami? My sis is junior down there. Pretty sweet school and town, almost went there.
Hamm's is nothing like Natty light. Natty light sucks  Hamm's is like nectar from the Gods
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2005, 11:39:33 AM
This just in from the award winning MC SID staff:

TANNEY EARNS ACADEMIC HONOR
      Mitch Tanney (Lexington, Ill./Lexington) was honored for his athletic and academic excellence by being named to the ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District V College Division first team. His name will now be placed on the national ballot for ESPN The Magazine Academic All-American.

      Tanney helped lead the 10-0 Fighting Scots to their first outright conference title since 1972 and the school's first-ever NCAA playoff berth.

      A six-time Dean's List recipient, Tanney has held the nation's top pass efficiency rating in Division III this season, and his 192.86 mark is currently second in DIII and third among all divisions. The Fighting Scots have set new team marks this season for scoring (444), touchdowns (62) and fewest interceptions thrown (3).

      Tanney also volunteers as a Spanish instructor at local schools and helps with Special Olympics.

      The ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District V team is voted on by sports information directors from District V, which includes Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin and two Canadian provinces. Athletes must earn a minimum 3.20 cumulative GPA, have achieved at least sophomore status at their respective school and be a starter or key reserve in order to be nominated for the post-season honor. Only first team all-district athletes are eligible to be placed on the national ballot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 16, 2005, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 16, 2005, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: kubiack78 on November 16, 2005, 11:18:45 AM
OMG I havent heard of Hustisford in a long time... one of the worst HS football teams ever

HEY!! My dad played for Husti in the early 70's!  It's hard for a town of 600 (1000 now) to field a halfway decent football team!


SNYdz,

You going to Miami? My sis is junior down there. Pretty sweet school and town, almost went there.
Hamm's is nothing like Natty light. Natty light sucks  Hamm's is like nectar from the Gods


Then your dad's teams got monkey stomped pretty good
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 11:46:09 AM
Kubiack,

Probably, how else does a team have him starting at QB and SS as a 5'6 sophmore? (6' by junior year)

His main focus was baseball anyway. Knocked off Watertown a time or two back in the days before schools were divided into groups based on enrollment.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 11:54:43 AM
Snydz, are you dating Kilted Rat's sister?  I hear that she's a fine piece of booty.

Congrats to the Scot's Tanney.  That's something to be proud of!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 11:56:25 AM
As long as we're bragging up awards, check this (http://www.gojohnnies.com/football/espnallacademic.htm) out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 11:54:43 AM
Snydz, are you dating Kilted Rat's sister?  I hear that she's a fine piece of booty.

Congrats to the Scot's Tanney.  That's something to be proud of!

I dont think I am dating his sister....dont know who she is?  sorority?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 11:54:43 AM
Snydz, are you dating Kilted Rat's sister?  I hear that she's a fine piece of booty.

Congrats to the Scot's Tanney.  That's something to be proud of!

She's not dating anyone that I know of.... She's not in any sorority.

Her name's Jenny.

Duffman, no clue where you got that info from... TDT's the only one you would know who has met her and him judging women is like Richard Simmons judging a slam dunk contest; neither one knows anything about or has any interest in the subject.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 12:06:59 PM
does she hit up the rec center?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 12:07:26 PM
what does she look like?  measurements?  hair color?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 16, 2005, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 12:06:59 PM
does she hit up the rec center?

KR, I am anxiously awaiting your response to this one.  Could he tee it up any
higher for you? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 12:10:03 PM
Don't think she hits up the rec cenetr all that much based on current athletic appearance relative to high school.

She's about 5'9, 5'10 brown hair. Looks nothing like me (lucky for her).


She doesn't date athletes.... so maybe you are dating her ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 12:20:45 PM
your right, i m no longer an athlete so maybe i am dating her
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2005, 12:27:14 PM
D-Man.  Good article.  Congrats to the SJU awardees.  Tanney was on that list as well.

I think Chuck Woolery is planning to enter this board... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2005, 12:27:14 PM
D-Man.  Good article.  Congrats to the SJU awardees.  Tanney was on that list as well.

I think Chuck Woolery is planning to enter this board... 

God willing!


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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 12:35:25 PM
I think we would all be in over heads if he was on the list.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 16, 2005, 12:05:33 PM
Duffman, no clue where you got that info from...

I'm just basing it off the fact that's you're such a handsome gentleman.  Maybe you could post a picture of her for all to see?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 01:03:54 PM
Duffman,

No disrepect to Grain Belt.  Mighty fine brew, if you're broke and thirsty. (which I was every time I partied in Minn.)

As for the Red Stripe comment...I couldn't think of a nastier tasting beer.  But I digress...beer is beer if you drink enough Captain Morgan!

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 01:04:57 PM
Snydz, I thought you were dating a Roush.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 16, 2005, 01:00:07 PM
Why does Tanney think he's tough in his roster photo? Snydz, is he just jealous you have a better roush than he does?

Mighty Royal

i dont think so, i guess when you took your pic you were all smiles?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 01:04:57 PM
Snydz, I thought you were dating a Roush.

shhh
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 16, 2005, 01:09:13 PM
Quotehis 192.86 mark is currently second in DIII

Good job.

Who is #1?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 01:10:14 PM
McAlum77,

You must be smoking crack.
 
Grain Belt is actually pretty spendy these days.  Now, if you drank it out of cans, I'll agree that it's crap.  Out of a bottle, thought, it's an excellant beer.  It's changed a little since it was bought by Schells, but it's still a great choice.

I can think of plenty of nastier tasting beers than Red Stripe.  Pretty much anything light, to start off with.  And pretty much anything made by Anheiser Busch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 01:03:54 PM
Duffman,

No disrepect to Grain Belt.  Mighty fine brew, if you're broke and thirsty. (which I was every time I partied in Minn.)

As for the Red Stripe comment...I couldn't think of a nastier tasting beer.  But I digress...beer is beer if you drink enough Captain Morgan!

GO SCOTS!

You were broke Madd Dogg?  You are a rich bastard
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 16, 2005, 01:11:43 PM
How about those lovely west coast beers such as olympia... yum
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 16, 2005, 01:13:33 PM
Quote from: kubiack78 on November 16, 2005, 01:11:43 PM
How about those lovely west coast beers such as olympia... yum

Beer Trivia:  Olympia bought Hamms in the 70's.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 16, 2005, 01:17:44 PM
but hamms was reclaimed by the miller brewing co.

In 1980 Olympia merged with Pabst, which was acquired by Stroh's in 1984 and it by Miller Brewing in 1999.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 01:22:42 PM
Snydz, I'm not the one buying a "nice" car without a job.  Man was that hard to type with a straight face.

Duffman, I gave up crack some time ago.  Never had the Belt in a bottle.  I guess it has been a while since I bought it up there.  I'm with you on the Bud products, though.

All this talk about beer is making me thirsty.
MMMM, beer. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 01:22:42 PM
Snydz, I'm not the one buying a "nice" car without a job. Man was that hard to type with a straight face.

Duffman, I gave up crack some time ago. Never had the Belt in a bottle. I guess it has been a while since I bought it up there. I'm with you on the Bud products, though.

All this talk about beer is making me thirsty.
MMMM, beer.

surprised you are not getting hungry
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:26:35 PM
prove it
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 16, 2005, 01:29:55 PM
You know, PBR won a blue ribbon. Mmmm...PBR...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 16, 2005, 01:38:31 PM
PBR ME ASAP.  Drink a thirty pack of that stuff and your ass will hurt for weeks.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:44:31 PM
any washer games during the tailgating?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:44:31 PM
any washer games during the tailgating?

Called Polish Horseshoes in this neck of the woods....Usually a "gametime decision"..

The game of choice in the pregame is Shotgunning! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 01:44:31 PM
any washer games during the tailgating?

Called Polish Horseshoes in this neck of the woods....Usually a "gametime decision"..

The game of choice in the pregame is Shotgunning! ;D


no problem with that game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 01:55:45 PM
I'll have hang-your-balls aka polish golf aka ladder golf along.  If there's interest, we'll play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 01:57:06 PM
Snydz---

See, now we are playing nice.  That is our style in the MIAC..  Lay it on early, and coast to the finish!!!

Kind of like the game is going to be Saturday! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 02:09:03 PM
I am not a big shotgun player, i enjoy the beverage
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 16, 2005, 02:32:12 PM
http://www.midwestconference.org/FBALLall-conf05.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 02:38:21 PM
snydz how about some 2 on 2.   you and i verse all comers???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2005, 02:41:23 PM
Nice, Greg.

DenSLA - the QB from Linfield finished the regular season as the top rated QB in DIII.

Again, courtesy of the MC SID dept:

"Brett Elliott, had a big day in his team's victory over Willamette. Elliott's stats, which included 14-of-22 accuracy for 330 yards and four scores, moved him back ahead of Mitch Tanney and into the top spot in passing efficiency in DIII with a ranking of 195.6. Tanney is second at 192.9."

I'm guessing that Elliott, like Tanney did not play every minute of every game - or the numbers could have been even higher.  In Tanney's last game, he was 21-23 for 405 yards and 5 touchdowns, and he only played three quarters and only threw TWO passes in the second half.  That must be why he looks so tough in his picture.   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 02:38:21 PM
snydz how about some 2 on 2.   you and i verse all comers???

you think anyone can hold me?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2005, 02:41:23 PM
Nice, Greg.

DenSLA - the QB from Linfield finished the regular season as the top rated QB in DIII.

Again, courtesy of the MC SID dept:

"Brett Elliott, had a big day in his team's victory over Willamette. Elliott's stats, which included 14-of-22 accuracy for 330 yards and four scores, moved him back ahead of Mitch Tanney and into the top spot in passing efficiency in DIII with a ranking of 195.6. Tanney is second at 192.9."

I'm guessing that Elliott, like Tanney did not play every minute of every game - or the numbers could have been even higher.  In Tanney's last game, he was 21-23 for 405 yards and 5 touchdowns, and he only played three quarters and only threw TWO passes in the second half.  That must be why he looks so tough in his picture.   >:(


never thought of that one scottie
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 02:48:29 PM
no, no one can hold you snydz....

you are the man ;D

just throw the lob ill go get it.

Hey HTF have you passed me in posts already?

And somebody please give me some positive karma, these negatives are bringin me down... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 02:49:07 PM
FloridaScot, or ScotsR BetterThanU,  when will get in town?  let me know
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 02:50:26 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 02:48:29 PM
no, no one can hold you snydz....

you are the man ;D

just throw the lob ill go get it.

Hey HTF have you passed me in posts already?

And somebody please give me some positive karma, these negatives are bringin me down... ???

screw the karma, thats all from the johnie boys...

let me get this straight, you want me to throw you a lob?  why can't I throw it off the board to myself like I usually do since I am a ballhog?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 02:52:03 PM
Just so you Johnnies know, you will be in great company on Saturday.

Farva will be in attendance!!!! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 02:52:11 PM
I need positive karma!!!

Wait i just remembered i am in southern cali and it is 87 and not a cloud in the sky today.....

ahhh, thats better, im cool now 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 16, 2005, 02:32:12 PM
http://www.midwestconference.org/FBALLall-conf05.pdf

125 players getting some kind of conference mention???  

Mommy, can we have a little more Kool-Aid powder, this is really watered down!!

From some of your posts earlier, with you MWC posters saying there were only 2 decent teams in the conference, how does that come about??


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:07:34 PM
ritz72,

you are correct.  it doesnt make a whole lot of sense.  why would is there a need for 6 rb's (first and second team) and 8 wr's (first and second team) to be named all conference.  if you add in honorable mention, there is an opportunity for every starter (at rb or wr) in the conference to receive an all-conference selection.  kind of dilutes the award doesnt it.  In track n field you have to win your even to be all conference.  In football all you have to do is start on a team at rb or wr and you should be all conference.  weird....

nonetheless there are 16 Fighting Scots on the first or second team....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 16, 2005, 02:32:12 PM
http://www.midwestconference.org/FBALLall-conf05.pdf

125 players getting some kind of conference mention???  

Mommy, can we have a little more Kool-Aid powder, this is really watered down!!

From some of your posts earlier, with you MWC posters saying there were only 2 decent teams in the conference, how does that come about??




eventhough there are only 2 decent teams, you dont think that the other teams might have A (1) decent player that the conference will give credit to?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:12:44 PM
Grinnell has 7 all-conference football players...

B.S.!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:13:53 PM
Grinnell = 7 players on all-conf ???  you are right that is B.S.  they must be screwing the committee
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 16, 2005, 03:14:06 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 16, 2005, 02:32:12 PM
http://www.midwestconference.org/FBALLall-conf05.pdf

125 players getting some kind of conference mention??? 

Mommy, can we have a little more Kool-Aid powder, this is really watered down!!

From some of your posts earlier, with you MWC posters saying there were only 2 decent teams in the conference, how does that come about??




eventhough there are only 2 decent teams, you dont think that the other teams might have A (1) decent player that the conference will give credit to?

Sure, but the point of All-Conference is to recognize those players who are the very best at their positions. By recognizing everyone, it's really recognizing no one.

(An average of 3 RBs and 4 WRs on each of the first two teams? Must be backyard FB with only three blockers and a QB ;))
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 16, 2005, 02:32:12 PM
http://www.midwestconference.org/FBALLall-conf05.pdf

125 players getting some kind of conference mention???  

Mommy, can we have a little more Kool-Aid powder, this is really watered down!!

From some of your posts earlier, with you MWC posters saying there were only 2 decent teams in the conference, how does that come about??




eventhough there are only 2 decent teams, you dont think that the other teams might have A (1) decent player that the conference will give credit to?

Maybe one, but your worst team gets 6, and the AVERAGE is 13 per team????  

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:17:58 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 16, 2005, 03:16:05 PM
Snydz,
Prove that you have a "sweet" roush!

File is too big, my eye!

Mighty Royal

check your email
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:21:23 PM
this is called beating a dead horse, i agree the all-conference selections for the the MWC is way out of whack.  it makes no sense, 1 qb, 2 rbs, 2 wrs, 1 te, 5 OL, 1 sp.  that should be first and second team O.  that would make the award special.  i shoulda went out for football at grinnell i know i could have been one of their top 7 players.  i missed out on being all-conference...... DAMN!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:23:52 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 16, 2005, 02:32:12 PM
http://www.midwestconference.org/FBALLall-conf05.pdf

125 players getting some kind of conference mention???  

Mommy, can we have a little more Kool-Aid powder, this is really watered down!!

From some of your posts earlier, with you MWC posters saying there were only 2 decent teams in the conference, how does that come about??




eventhough there are only 2 decent teams, you dont think that the other teams might have A (1) decent player that the conference will give credit to?

Maybe one, but your worst team gets 6, and the AVERAGE is 13 per team????  



I am not on the committee, I agree with everyone.  I know that the system is screwed up.  Monmouth had 4 of the top 5 if not the top 4 receivers when I was in school, and only 1 got first team, I don't think the others got anything higher than honorable mention
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:21:23 PM
this is called beating a dead horse, i agree the all-conference selections for the the MWC is way out of whack.  it makes no sense, 1 qb, 2 rbs, 2 wrs, 1 te, 5 OL, 1 sp.  that should be first and second team O.  that would make the award special.  i shoulda went out for football at grinnell i know i could have been one of their top 7 players.  i missed out on being all-conference...... DAMN!!!!!

I can't believe you just said that Smoov....do you want to take that back?  please say yes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:17:58 PM
check your email

I'm going to post a picture of my Honda!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:26:08 PM
"Monmouth had 4 of the top 5 if not the top 4 receivers when I was in school, and only 1 got first team, I don't think the others got anything higher than honorable mention"



good ol snydz tootin his own horn
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:17:58 PM
check your email

I'm going to post a picture of my Honda!!!

no one is gonna stop you
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:26:08 PM
"Monmouth had 4 of the top 5 if not the top 4 receivers when I was in school, and only 1 got first team, I don't think the others got anything higher than honorable mention"



good ol snydz tootin his own horn

dont forget about that practice where you couldnt stop a baby
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:29:01 PM
i aint takin back ish....

wait yea, i would never want to be associated with the pio's.  My bad.  but football all-conference would look good on my 5'8 150 frame.....

snydz, i can post a pic of my new malibu, just got it.  can you believe i sold smoov5?  the wife says the malibu is more "fuel efficient and practical." can you believe i fell for that ish.

im getttin soft
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:29:01 PM
i aint takin back ish....

wait yea, i would never want to be associated with the pio's.  My bad.  but football all-conference would look good on my 5'8 150 frame.....

snydz, i can post a pic of my new malibu, just got it.  can you believe i sold smoov5?  the wife says the malibu is more "fuel efficient and practical." can you believe i fell for that ish.

im getttin soft


you have always been soft...i want to see a pic of the malibu....you pimp it out??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:30:37 PM
ok, here we go, that one practice.  i know you'll never forget it.  let old dreams die!!  remember it was one practice within two years of flat out gettin dogged!!!

enjoy the memories 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:30:37 PM
ok, here we go, that one practice.  i know you'll never forget it.  let old dreams die!!  remember it was one practice within two years of flat out gettin dogged!!!

enjoy the memories 8)

do hate the player hate the game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:30:37 PM
ok, here we go, that one practice.  i know you'll never forget it.  let old dreams die!!  remember it was one practice within two years of flat out gettin dogged!!!

enjoy the memories 8)

oh and you cant say 2 years b/c you and i both know i didnt practice when i was a freshman
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:32:38 PM
did i pimp it???

im still smoov baby!!

the malibu, 17'alloys, leather int., kenwood in the back, sunroof (buddy got it for me at cost), xm satelitte......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:33:35 PM
"oh and you cant say 2 years b/c you and i both know i didnt practice when i was a freshman"

not my fault...  o wait, maybe it was :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:34:03 PM
thats better...glad to hear that it is not just a malibu, i might have to smack you if it was
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:33:35 PM
"oh and you cant say 2 years b/c you and i both know i didnt practice when i was a freshman"

not my fault...  o wait, maybe it was :o

im going to go with not your fault b/c we both know that you were not going to play..you just picked a bad time to go to MC


p.s. it is now snowing good here in ohio
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:36:21 PM
only problem is that the baby "bu" is white, wife's choice. had to trade the color for the wheels.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:36:58 PM
stop bringin up bad memories, i dont wanna talk about it.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:41:26 PM
says the unmarried man.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 16, 2005, 03:45:29 PM
Mr. Who?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:47:02 PM
snydz u said it is snowing there?  i think im goin to the beach after work!  I loved MC but i aint missin it....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:47:02 PM
snydz u said it is snowing there?  i think im goin to the beach after work!  I loved MC but i aint missin it....

eh, you will have that..you drive to the beach b/c this past summer i could just walk out the door and be on the beach, but not just any beach....panama city beach !!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:52:01 PM
u visit, i live...

u light me up one practice, i dominate u for two years....

to each his own, pimpin, to each his own....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:54:06 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:52:01 PM
u visit, i live...

u light me up one practice, i dominate u for two years....

to each his own, pimpin, to each his own....

that one practice seems to be the only thing that you remember me by too so....

you drive a malibu on 17 alloys,  I drive a Roush on 18" chrome
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:55:12 PM
i didnt visit I lived there the whole summer minus when i came back to the hoop camps
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:56:39 PM
why u gotta bring up the car, thats not fair..... i was all set to put Smoov5 on 20's before the wife started hatin....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 16, 2005, 03:57:14 PM
scottie...thank-you.  I had seen it on another board too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 03:56:39 PM
why u gotta bring up the car, thats not fair..... i was all set to put Smoov5 on 20's before the wife started hatin....

you know that the 06 roushs are on 20's right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:55:12 PM
i didnt visit I lived there the whole summer minus when i came back to the hoop camps

Snydz---was hoop camp before or after band camp?? ;D

Weather is sunny, wind is howling around 25 mph.  news just said the windchill is -10!! 

Snydz-- You getting to Minny on Friday night?  Where are the Scot Faithful staying?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:04:02 PM
so are the 06 yukons, so what..... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:55:12 PM
i didnt visit I lived there the whole summer minus when i came back to the hoop camps

Snydz---was hoop camp before or after band camp?? ;D

Weather is sunny, wind is howling around 25 mph.  news just said the windchill is -10!! 

Snydz-- You getting to Minny on Friday night?  Where are the Scot Faithful staying?

no band **** for me.....you i will be in Minn, staying somewhere close not sure where, want to get to the tailgating stuff around 830...it starts @ 8 right saturday morning?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:04:02 PM
so are the 06 yukons, so what..... ???

dont see too many muscle cars on 20's thats all
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:07:39 PM
i had my eyes on a charger r/t.  two years ( i tell myself) gotta buy the house next summer first.

the malibu is just to tide me over until then.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:07:39 PM
i had my eyes on a charger r/t.  two years ( i tell myself) gotta buy the house next summer first.

the malibu is just to tide me over until then.

the charger is not a good investment, too much money.  have you seen the new 06 camaro design?  talk about a sweet car.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 04:11:32 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 03:55:12 PM
i didnt visit I lived there the whole summer minus when i came back to the hoop camps

Snydz---was hoop camp before or after band camp?? ;D

Weather is sunny, wind is howling around 25 mph.  news just said the windchill is -10!! 

Snydz-- You getting to Minny on Friday night?  Where are the Scot Faithful staying?

no band **** for me.....you i will be in Minn, staying somewhere close not sure where, want to get to the tailgating stuff around 830...it starts @ 8 right saturday morning?

YEP!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:12:35 PM
everything should be too much money for you.  i mean your current occupation cant be that fruitful......

investment smeshment, the next ride will be strictly for raising my next (first) GQ spread.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:14:25 PM
here you go:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3D2006%2BCamaro%26btn%3DYahoo%2521%2BSearch%26tab%3DImages%26fr%3Dmy-vert-img-top&h=480&w=640&imgcurl=www.popularhotrodding.com%2Ffeatures%2F0309phr-5camaro05_z.jpg&imgurl=www.popularhotrodding.com%2Ffeatures%2F0309phr-5camaro05_z.jpg&size=55.2kB&name=0309phr-5camaro05_z.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dodgeforum.com%2Ffb.asp%3Fm%3D16784&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dodgeforum.com%2Ffb.asp%3Fm%3D16784&p=2006+Camaro&type=jpeg&no=1&tt=38&ei=UTF-8
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 04:21:09 PM
That might be the longest URL I've ever seen.  Sweet car, though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:21:45 PM
yea, sorry about that
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:23:02 PM
jesus......

i still like the 06 charger
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 16, 2005, 04:23:38 PM
www.tinyurl.com is your friend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:27:46 PM
no our tight end does not dance....

100 baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:23:02 PM
jesus......

i still like the 06 charger


you called??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:27:46 PM
no our tight end does not dance....

100 baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

bout time
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:32:05 PM
my karma is getting better as well.....

up two points today!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:37:04 PM
how many points until i become a starter???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:37:04 PM
how many points until i become a starter???

200 posts i think
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
well lets get posting, i have never backed down from a challenge....

snydz, talkin about bball, u talk to 12 or anyone else lately???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 16, 2005, 04:55:48 PM
I think the reason there are so many all conference players is because they don't wany any lawsuits.  If someone didn't make it, they would feel left out and emotionally scarred for life.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 04:58:09 PM
geez, I thought this was a 'message board' not Instant Messaging.  Seems to me somebody (Snydz) needs a job and or a hobby, other than humping his cars like he's in a Whitesnake video.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
well lets get posting, i have never backed down from a challenge....

snydz, talkin about bball, u talk to 12 or anyone else lately???

not really, talked to T-Mill the other day, he lives in chi-town now and practices with a college up there...havent talked to 12 in a long time.  T-Bone and I talked a few months ago..he is in Iraq shooting people...how about you?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 16, 2005, 05:00:17 PM
wany = want


wany doesn't = Wannstedt
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:00:39 PM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 04:58:09 PM
geez, I thought this was a 'message board' not Instant Messaging.  Seems to me somebody (Snydz) needs a job and or a hobby, other than humping his cars like he's in a Whitesnake video.

Madd Dogg, I hate you!!!  I might just have to take back all things that made you the madd dogg.  I am going to stop telling the stories
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:01:06 PM
lawsuits suck!!! >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:02:15 PM
naw, saw tmill and some of the younger guyz at the LFC game, but other than that have lost touch.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:02:47 PM
T-Mill showed me a couple pics of his new lady friend, and damn
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:03:10 PM
Score predictions for the game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 16, 2005, 05:04:05 PM
Can't we all just get along.....maybe on Sat. we can sit around the tailgate and sing Kum By Ahh and share a Hamms..... ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:06:56 PM
Quote from: SJU92#57 on November 16, 2005, 05:04:05 PM
Can't we all just get along.....maybe on Sat. we can sit around the tailgate and sing Kum By Ahh and share a Hamms..... ::)

that mean you will have enough Hamms to go around?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 16, 2005, 05:09:26 PM
You'll have to ask Duff on the beer, but I'll share what ever I bring. ;D  I'll have couple bottles of the good Dr. along for little pick me ups or for your hot choc. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 05:11:03 PM
relax Snydz.

Talk all the smack you want and brag about everything you've done.  Just remember where you came from and who showed you the ropes.

Someone's gotta tip back a Grain Belt for me.  I'll be in Chicago drinking away my sorrow from missing the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 05:11:03 PM
relax Snydz.

Talk all the smack you want and brag about everything you've done.  Just remember where you came from and who showed you the ropes.

Someone's gotta tip back a Grain Belt for me.  I'll be in Chicago drinking away my sorrow from missing the game.

what ropes did you show? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: McAlum77 on November 16, 2005, 05:18:24 PM
That hurts.  Now you're sounding like a certain someone from SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:22:25 PM
I am kidding.  The radio show was awesome, wish it was still going on...nothing like walking into ladies rooms and..ah...well you know the rest
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:23:07 PM
i too will be drinkin away my sorrow for missing the game.  the freaking webcast better work, it didnt for the snc game.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:06:56 PM
that mean you will have enough Hamms to go around?

What, you can afford a Roush but not $12 for a 30 pack of Hamm's?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:23:07 PM
i too will be drinkin away my sorrow for missing the game.  the freaking webcast better work, it didnt for the snc game.....

norbert is in wisconsin...i have faith that the Minnesotians know how to work things
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 05:25:41 PM

What, you can afford a Roush but not $12 for a 30 pack of Hamm's?

Yes I can afford it, I just havent finalized if I am going to bring a cooler, buy one there, etc.

Wuoldnt mind a cold one if I buy some to put on ice during the tailgating
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:28:09 PM
yes everything is f*ed up in wiscan-sin..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:28:55 PM
Who misses their schools first playoff game??  let alone an ex-player and in ex-adminstrator
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:30:22 PM
ME!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:31:06 PM
MUF****r!!! >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:33:20 PM
no reason to get hostile... :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:35:36 PM
can I get a say who? say who?

or

better yet....maybe a trip down to the river!!!!

fine OFS....

They don't know......who we be....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:36:15 PM
NO
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 16, 2005, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 05:25:41 PM

What, you can afford a Roush but not $12 for a 30 pack of Hamm's?

Yes I can afford it, I just havent finalized if I am going to bring a cooler, buy one there, etc.

Wuoldnt mind a cold one if I buy some to put on ice during the tailgating

You buy it cold in MN, and you wont need a cooler on Saturday!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:40:34 PM
naw but you can get a B***h ***** you can Neva Eva, eva eva, get on my level... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:40:34 PM
naw but you can get a B***h ***** you can Neva Eva, eva eva, get on my level... ;D

ok that too
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:43:15 PM
thats my rally cry and im stickin too it, ill have it bumpin in the malibu all day saturday, and ill turn it up so that the Scots Nation can hear it in Minny....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 16, 2005, 05:43:47 PM
Do not show us a picture of M n M in a kilt, please.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
I dont really have a battle cry other than....

you cant stop me...(it will be proven tonight at intramuals)

Thats funny that you say that Den...I was known on campus as Slim Shady himself.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:46:46 PM
yes slim, and yes shady, but slim shady :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:53:35 PM
where u playin intramurals?  i am missing the MC three on three, this year was gonna be my year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 05:55:11 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 05:53:35 PM
where u playin intramurals?  i am missing the MC three on three, this year was gonna be my year.

Miami OH....it is nice to have big guys that dunk over people
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 06:02:22 PM
big guys dunkin in intramurals, no way......

i got my ankles broke by an air force reservist at the base last weekend, he was actually trash talkin me about his playin days at fresno st.....  I scored the next 5 buckets then told him where he could find a nice spot on the side to watch me light up the next team to come on..... can you believe he wanted to fight me? me of all people?  he said i needed to learn to keep my mouth shut..... i said ok, then kept playin while he watched... from the side..... 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 06:02:22 PM
big guys dunkin in intramurals, no way......

i got my ankles broke by an air force reservist at the base last weekend, he was actually trash talkin me about his playin days at fresno st.....  I scored the next 5 buckets then told him where he could find a nice spot on the side to watch me light up the next team to come on..... can you believe he wanted to fight me? me of all people?  he said i needed to learn to keep my mouth shut..... i said ok, then kept playin while he watched... from the side..... 8)

wait, someone told you to shut up?  and it wasnt me?  let alone try to fight you...must a rough neck of the woods.  Last night just playing a pick up game I 8 2's in a row and ended 2 games with my signature bank shot.  One guy ran his mouth so the last game I banked a 2 from about 25 ft and told him to shut up and to call me when he has a clue on when to talk
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 06:11:13 PM
hey whats up with my karma going back down, i was making progresss.....

snydz no way will i believe u pissed someone off :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 16, 2005, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 06:11:13 PM
hey whats up with my karma going back down, i was making progresss.....

snydz no way will i believe u pissed someone off :)

me piss someone off??  never.....where is chorzy??

Sorry to stop the chatting for a while, time to go sit in the whirlpool and relax
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 07:08:05 PM
SJU has pre-game notes (http://www.gojohnnies.com/football/Monmouth%20FB%20Notes.doc) posted.

Also, the link to the webcast  (http://www.gojohnnies.com/football/) is up.

Monmouth sucks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 04:43:09 PM
btw, dante daniels our starting rb was a state champeen in the 200 in h.s.

we have speed too......


About that...


QuoteDante Daniels, sprints, Waukegan, Ill. (Gurnee HS) State champion in the 200 meters at the 1999 Illinois Class AA meet. Placed seventh in the 200 at the 2000 state championships. Personal best times are 10.6 for 100 meters and 21.94 for 200 meters

Sounds like your boy was already slowing down before he graduated high school! By this time, he's probably slower than TDT in a potato sack race.

That came from the Western Michigan University website listing their new recruits for the 2000-2001 season.

Interesting note, kid was a 2000 hs graduate and is currently listed as a junior on Monmouth's website..... I graduated hs in 2000 as well and am now in my 2nd year of grad school.

How many years does this guy plan to spend in college? He's on pace for 7 right now!

From Tommy boy:
Quote"A lot of people go to college for 7 years.... Yeah, they're called Doctors!"


Rewind to yesterday:
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 15, 2005, 09:35:38 PM
I agree Scout, and since most of our schools are not near major university to get the dropouts.

Yeah... we're the ones getting DI dropouts....

Hello pot? Its the kettle, just wanted to tell you that you're black.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 16, 2005, 07:38:14 PM
the sju fan department research skills are impecable (sp)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 07:51:57 PM
Google is a wonderful tool ;D

All I did was enter "dante daniels 200" and click on the first link.

My sophomore roommate was a management major, so he had 12 credits of how to use google. Fortunately, he explained the finer points to me :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 16, 2005, 10:30:34 PM
Damn Snydz, you've gotta be hurting right now.  I mean you've been taking it more lately than a $2 whore on a Saturday Night Special! :D  You and OFS turned the message board into your own personal instant messenger this afternoon, but at least it was a couple of Scots talking smack back and forth rather than the Johnnies dominating the board like they have been the past few days.  All in good fun though...

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this but I believe that Daniels spent a couple years running track at Western Michigan before leaving there and maybe was at a junior college for a couple years (not completely sure but it seems like I heard that part somewhere) before heading to Monmouth once he got the feeling to play football again.

Can't wait for the tailgating festivities; oh and the game too!  If they're bringing the Hamms, then Snydz--you or I (or both) will have to bring old faithful...plenty of Bud Light.  Plus whatever FloridaScot and ScotsR BetterThanU want to kick gameday off with.

I'll be back later tonight to catch up on the next 5 pages of posts that will show up during the next 2 hours!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 16, 2005, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 16, 2005, 10:30:34 PM
Damn Snydz, you've gotta be hurting right now.  I mean you've been taking it more lately than a $2 whore on a Saturday Night Special! :D  You and OFS turned the message board into your own personal instant messenger this afternoon, but at least it was a couple of Scots talking smack back and forth rather than the Johnnies dominating the board like they have been the past few days.  All in good fun though...

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this but I believe that Daniels spent a couple years running track at Western Michigan before leaving there and maybe was at a junior college for a couple years (not completely sure but it seems like I heard that part somewhere) before heading to Monmouth once he got the feeling to play football again.

Can't wait for the tailgating festivities; oh and the game too!  If they're bringing the Hamms, then Snydz--you or I (or both) will have to bring old faithful...plenty of Bud Light.  Plus whatever FloridaScot and ScotsR BetterThanU want to kick gameday off with.

I'll be back later tonight to catch up on the next 5 pages of posts that will show up during the next 2 hours!
You must be sniffing fumes from St. Louis if you're going to ruin a festive occasion with Bud Light.
IM hoops and cars...a thinly veiled attempt to get to 200 posts. Get a chat room.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2005, 11:05:36 PM
Snyds - I told my Honda about your Roush, and this is the response I got:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg219.imageshack.us%2Fimg219%2F9650%2Faccord0ed.jpg&hash=94305c346043c8ceea843c7b9739581983fd6255)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 16, 2005, 11:52:56 PM
Presenting the Do it yourself Roush kit!

Take 1 part ****ty mustang 
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmemimage.cardomain.net%2Fmember_images%2F2%2Fweb%2F230000-230999%2F230934_34.jpg&hash=bf904b70667ac1037c1e705ca7774d08b2042bda)

+
Add 2 rolls duct tape:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yenra.com%2Fduct-tape-colors%2Fduct-tape.jpg&hash=7cb3b4897c948c104f5de8f5f5dca5af7b40c917)

+
2 parts cardboard box:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greenguardian.com%2Fimages%2Fthrow_cardboard.jpg&hash=e2a923d923b77a3e866110274c9482cda4e7769d)
+
2 cases Busch light:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zianet.com%2FSpencer%2Fbusch502.jpg&hash=6c9fafd741c0d629cef35f5e2de59317d61138cb)
+
3 unemployed rednecks:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gavas.com%2FUP3.jpg.jpg&hash=898fce2d0f53e9d044f9686b98eee34340731185)
=
and you get
A Roush!!!
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockcrawler.com%2Ftrailreports%2Fclayton0598%2Ftc%2Fredneckdeluxe.jpg&hash=809a77baeaaf401dc4d8c2022e4d2eeb22b40873)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 17, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
finsleft - Now don't start dissing the Bud Light or this page will no longer be just in good fun! ;)  The Bud Light does not ruin a festive occasion such as this game, it enhances everything surrounding it.

kiltedrat - Props on your last post...laughing my ass off at that one.  Definitely qualifies as the post of the week so far! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 17, 2005, 01:29:32 AM
Just looked at the Around the Nation column and found this under the Disappointments category for the West Region playoff bracket.  It's a quote from Adam Johnson, one of the Around the Region columnists.

"Johnson: Monmouth. For the sixth time in seventh tries the MWC will lose, and lose handiliy, in its first-round matchup."

Previous MWC first round scores...
1999: Augustana 39 - St. Norbert 32
2000: Central 29 - St. Norbert 14
2001: St. John's 27 - St. Norbert 20
2002: Wartburg 45 - Lake Forest 0
2003: St. Norbert 26 - Simpson 20
2004: UW-LaCrosse 37 - St. Norbert 23

If he wants to predict that Monmouth will lose big this weekend, I have no problem with that--it's his choice.  But to refer to losses in 5 of those previous 6 first round games as "losing handily" is ridiculous.  5 of those 6 first round games were losses by 2 TD's or less--I had no idea that was the criteria for "losing handily." (read with sarcasm ;))  The only time an MWC team has lost by an extremely large margin was in 2002 when Wartburg drilled Lake Forest.  Sorry Mr. Johnson, but all those other first round games where St. Norbert hung with those other teams should not be classified as "losing handily."  Get a clue...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 17, 2005, 02:09:41 AM
I think the losing handiliy comment was only a reference to this weekends game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 17, 2005, 07:02:13 AM
I appreciate everyone trying to imitate the Roush.  But hey, what can you do, since it is stored for the winter.

Mav- I will bring some Bud Light, but I want to start the day off with a Hamms, see if I like it or not.

Well this may be my last post until everyone sees SNYDZ at the big game.  Subbing, then hitting the long road to Minn!

Can't wait to see Scots Nation in MN!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 08:15:51 AM
Although I doubt that was your last post, have a safe trip, and we'll see you Saturday.  Don't be a stranger.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 17, 2005, 09:02:24 AM
Maverick,
Don't let the haters get you down.  Keep fighting the good fight and one of these days you'll be able to say, "I told you so".
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 17, 2005, 09:56:16 AM
The predictions don't look good from the D3football.com experts but, as a reminder, here's their headline for the 2005 Monmouth football preview:

"Monmouth -- Will be hard-pressed to get back to 9-1"

Ten wins no later, I'm not surprised they don't think we can get 11.

Props to Mav for his "losing handily" breakdown. And props to the post several screens ago that said by recognizing everyone for all-conference, you recognize no one. You read my mind.

Mentally, I karmalize you both.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 10:00:22 AM
You'll get the definition of "losing handily" on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 10:07:47 AM
I agree with Rockcat, I think the losing handidly is in reference to this weeks game.

I know Adam personally, he knows his **** and researches that which he doesn't know. I am sure he knows the scores of the past 7 match-ups as well as who played what position for each team and what color the watergirls' hair was.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 10:15:53 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 17, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
finsleft - Now don't start dissing the Bud Light or this page will no longer be just in good fun! ;)  The Bud Light does not ruin a festive occasion such as this game, it enhances everything surrounding it.

kiltedrat - Props on your last post...laughing my ass off at that one.  Definitely qualifies as the post of the week so far! :)

Light Beer has led to the feminization of America-----There is nothing "enhancing"  about a beer that has been watered down, stripped of flavor, and freeze dried :P

Acceptable Beers at the SJU Tailgates: 1. Hamms, 2. Hamms, 3.  Leinies Honey Weiss, 4. Leinies Red, 5.  Grain Belt Premium, and 6. Anything BUT BUTT LIGHT!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 10:18:32 AM
what about PBR, linies bock and mickey's big mouths malt liquor?? Are those acceptable?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 10:18:32 AM
what about PBR, linies bock and mickey's big mouths malt liquor?? Are those acceptable?

Only if Above Said Beers have been "eliminated" from the coolers!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 10:24:46 AM
Reminder to all MON fans---

Tommorow night is "Drink Your Dad's Beer" night at the LaPlayette in St. Joe..

Don't worry, they will have Bud Light if your daddy wears a skirt! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 17, 2005, 07:02:13 AM
Mav- I will bring some Bud Light, but I want to start the day off with a Hamms, see if I like it or not.

Kind of like serving the good wine first at a party.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 12:11:42 PM


Acceptable Beers at the SJU Tailgates: 1. Hamms, 2. Hamms, 3.  Leinies Honey Weiss, 4. Leinies Red, 5.  Grain Belt Premium, and 6. Anything BUT BUTT LIGHT!
Quote

Leinies tastes like kool-aid, drink a real beer pansy!!!

Ill have the Original (Coors) intravenously (sp?) flowing on saturday on my patio in cali, listening to the Scotties shock the world, well at least shocking Junior highville.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 17, 2005, 12:12:03 PM
Tempo, Tempo, Tempo

I dont think that everyone is giving Monmouth enough credit for the work that they have done.  I love what McMillan put in the Around the Nation about Monmouth should have got a home game.  I dont agree with that but at least some respect has been thrown around.  

Coach Bell has been around some big games before.  I know that they will be ready and i am sure that they have some thing up their sleeve.  Lets hope that its a football play and not a couple of cases of Hamm's.  

Go Scotties shock the DIII Nation.

PS. Sorry I wont be able to make it on Sat. However, Rooster I will be calling for a play by play.  

Also Does St. Johns have a telephone teamline that i can call and listen to the game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 12:17:21 PM
Stop F'in with karma >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 17, 2005, 12:18:33 PM
Papa, all the games are broadcast via the web. Just log on and listen!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 12:11:42 PM


Acceptable Beers at the SJU Tailgates: 1. Hamms, 2. Hamms, 3.  Leinies Honey Weiss, 4. Leinies Red, 5.  Grain Belt Premium, and 6. Anything BUT BUTT LIGHT!
Quote

Leinies tastes like kool-aid, drink a real beer pansy!!!

Ill have the Original (Coors) intravenously (sp?) flowing on saturday on my patio in cali, listening to the Scotties shock the world, well at least shocking Junior highville.....

The only shock is going to be the rest of the world going, "
Damn, how did such a shi$$y team get into the playoffs???"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 12:22:39 PM
will there be a webcast limit.  do i need to be standing idly by my comp to make sure i get on?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 12:25:20 PM
Yeah, I'm already shocked.

Quote from: papa90 on November 17, 2005, 12:12:03 PMPS. Sorry I wont be able to make it on Sat. However, Rooster I will be calling for a play by play.  

Also Does St. Johns have a telephone teamline that i can call and listen to the game?

Just have Rooster describe the ass whoopin' to you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 12:34:49 PM
pcole,

what game will you be attending this weekend?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2005, 12:36:55 PM
Just read the Around The Nation segment.  The "award winning MC SID department" should invite Keith McMillan for a game next year.  He, at least, as some positive things to say write about Monmouth.  

Pcole - we get it.  You don't like MC or the MWC.  Why be so blunt?  Monmouth has increasingly improved it's non-conference opponent, but things take time.  They've scheduled Wartburg for the next couple of years.  Is that satisfactory?  Next year, can you at least take off your steel-toe boots before you kick us in a$$?  

Love,

Scottie
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:17:02 PM
While I have no affiliation with Monmouth as a supporter of the MWC I wish you the best on Saturday.

For years I have been a MWC fan who has loved watching St Johns do well in the playoffs.  However, after reading the ranting of some of their fans on this board, should Monmouth lose on Saturday (likely I'm afraid) the following week I will be doing something I never thought I could bring myself to do, cheering for a team from the WIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 01:25:40 PM
That's okay, we don't need one more idiot on our side.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:17:02 PM
While I have no affiliation with Monmouth as a supporter of the MWC I wish you the best on Saturday.

For years I have been a MWC fan who has loved watching St Johns do well in the playoffs.  However, after reading the ranting of some of their fans on this board, should Monmouth lose on Saturday (likely I'm afraid) the following week I will be doing something I never thought I could bring myself to do, cheering for a team from the WIAC.
Thanks for sharing.
Funny thing, I just read the following column just before I read your post. I think they're related somehow...
http://miva.sctimes.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?Web/page.mv+1+sports+800648
Here's my favorite quote from the column:
"Jealousy and pettiness are not desirable traits."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 01:34:25 PM
Hey Duff, What makes you think we want him either?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:38:55 PM
"Here's my favorite quote from the column:
"Jealousy and pettiness are not desirable traits"

No jealousy and no pettiness intended.  For years I viewed St Johns as one of the programs in D3 football that exhibited class and represented what this level of football should be about.  The program may still present that image but the posters I have read here (following some of the inital posts which were very cordial and complimentary) certainly do not.  

The more I read the postings of the"fans" of St Johns here the more they remind me of the fan base of Notre Dame (if you take that as a compliment you shouldn't.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:40:08 PM
Quote from: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 01:34:25 PM
Hey Duff, What makes you think we want him either?

I had no desire to attend UWW (my ACT score had two digits in it.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 01:42:02 PM
Congrats on you 10!


Yes, we're a lot like NotreDame: perennially successful catholic institutions with a dedicated fan base all over the country. Different colors though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:38:55 PM


No jealousy and no pettiness intended.

Intended or not, it sounds quite petty to me. You want to judge a football program by what you read from a couple of us blabbermouths having fun on this site, go ahead. Go cheer for whomever you want. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to have you on board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:45:03 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 17, 2005, 01:42:02 PM
Congrats on you 10!


Yes, we're a lot like NotreDame: perennially successful catholic institutions with a dedicated fan base all over the country. Different colors though.

"Congrats on YOU 10" :D

Youse guys kills me.  I simply can't compete with how smart you is.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 01:47:24 PM
One shouldn't judge a program by it's posters.  Or for that matter, one shouldn't judge a person by what they post.  If you spent any time on this board, you'd know that we're a great bunch of guys who just like to goof off on the board.  I'm sure some Mammoth fans will agree with this after Saturday.  We're a great bunch.

Feel free to jump on our bandwagon.  It'll take you all the way to Salem.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 01:48:28 PM
Dolph, way to criticize a medical student for being stupid.  I hope it's KR giving you your prostate exam in a few years. :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 01:47:24 PM
One shouldn't judge a program by it's posters.  Or for that matter, one shouldn't judge a person by what they post.  If you spent any time on this board, you'd know that we're a great bunch of guys who just like to goof off on the board.  I'm sure some Mammoth fans will agree with this after Saturday.  We're a great bunch.

Feel free to jump on our bandwagon.  It'll take you all the way to Salem.

Fair enough.  Whoever gets to Salem from this region deserves some type of recogniton just for getting that far.  While I understand the NCAA wants to keep travel down whenever they can, having St Johns, Whitewater and Linfield in one regional this year is a real shame.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: Dolph Stanley on November 17, 2005, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 01:47:24 PM
One shouldn't judge a program by it's posters.  Or for that matter, one shouldn't judge a person by what they post.  If you spent any time on this board, you'd know that we're a great bunch of guys who just like to goof off on the board.  I'm sure some Mammoth fans will agree with this after Saturday.  We're a great bunch.

Feel free to jump on our bandwagon.  It'll take you all the way to Salem.

Fair enough.  Whoever gets to Salem from this region deserves some type of recogniton just for getting that far.  While I understand the NCAA wants to keep travel down whenever they can, having St Johns, Whitewater and Linfield in one regional this year is a real shame.

Smartest thing you've said all day.

Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 01:51:40 PM
Dolph,

I wanted to dumb it down to a level you'd understand, but apparently your comprehension capabilities are far superior to what had been previously hypothesized. Your arrogance and ignorance in judging a program based on initial uninformed impressions of some posts online are superior to even your double digit ACT.


Duff,
He's probably in the 25% who defer a prostate exam along with other recommended screening exams because he knows better than the doctor.

BTW, the mean age of death of that 25% is 10-15 years younger than those who have all recommended screening procedures...maybe those crazy doctors know what they're talking about... whoda thunk it???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 01:47:24 PM
Feel free to jump on our bandwagon.  It'll take you all the way to Salem.

Or at least to Whitewater where the wheels will fall off (hopefully)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 02:17:36 PM
TherA young Scottish lad and lass were sitting on a low stone wall,holding hands, gazing out over the loch. For several minutes they sat silently.
Then finally the girl looked at the boy and said, "A penny for your thoughts, Angus."
"Well, uh, I was thinkin'...perhaps it's aboot time for a wee kiss."
The girl blushed, then leaned over and kissed him lightly on the cheek.
Then he blushed. The two turned once again to gaze out over the loch.
Minutes passed and the girl spoke again. "Another penny for your thoughts, Angus." "Well, uh, I was thinkin' perhaps it's noo time aboot time for a wee cuddle."
The girl blushed, then leaned over and cuddled him for a few seconds.
Then he blushed. Then the two turned once again to gaze out over the loch.
After a while, she again said, "Another penny for your thoughts, Angus."
"Well, uh, I was thinkin' perhaps it's aboot time you let me put my hand
on your leg."
The girl blushed, then took his hand and put it on her knee. Then he blushed. The the two turned once again to gaze out over the lock before the girl spoke again.
"Another penny for your thoughts, Angus."
The young man glanced down with a furled brow. "Well,noo," he said, "my thoughts are a wee bit more serious this time."
"Really?" said the lass in a whisper, filled with anticipation.
"Aye," said the lad, nodding.
The girl looked away in shyness, began to blush, and bit her lip in anticipation of the ultimate request.
Then he said, "Dae ye nae think it's aboot time ye paid me the first
three pennies?"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 02:28:45 PM
http://www.monm.edu/photo-albums/2005/football/pages/IMG_5978.htm

Foreshadowing, MC gang tackling this weekend.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 02:34:14 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 02:28:45 PM
http://www.monm.edu/photo-albums/2005/football/pages/IMG_5978.htm

Foreshadowing, MC gang tackling this weekend.....

This was against a 3-7 team called the "blue boys" 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SeattleScot on November 17, 2005, 02:37:09 PM
The link to the team-by-team snap shots on the front page are a nice touch, however, someone obviously didn't do their homework.  Unless I am mistaken, I didn't spend four years going to school in Jacksonville, Illinois.  Monmouth College is located in (gasp!) Monmouth, Illinois, not Jacksonville.  Nice work.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 02:39:30 PM

This was against a 3-7 team called the "blue boys" 
Quote

Wonderful observation, should i jump in my time machine so that i can get the real upcoming photo opp......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 02:42:47 PM
the pics of the blue boy debacle are from MC's homecoming this year....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 02:43:18 PM
no need just listen to your police scanner and when you hear of a horrifc wreck just go take those pics
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 02:46:31 PM
huh ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2005, 02:48:55 PM
Good catch, SeattleScot. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 02:56:06 PM
The snow is falling in Central MN----

-10 with the windchill!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SeattleScot on November 17, 2005, 02:59:30 PM
Scottie,

Well, at least they got the name of our home field correct....

One would think that if they took the time to look up the name of our home field that they might have gone the extra step and found the correct name of the town.

Normally, someone not knowing that information wouldn't bother me, but when the "media" doesn't do their homework...well, it makes them seem sloppy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 03:00:21 PM
Scots Nation!!!

http://www.monm.edu/photo-albums/2005/football/pages/IMG_5783.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 03:09:30 PM
They got it right on their official page about you http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Monmouth.

Our visitor stands are larger than your stands!
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3football.com%2Fshowphoto.php%3Fphoto%3D68&hash=db97ee14111f355465f913f6da00d016be779a90)

... and here is
Johnnie Nation!
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3football.com%2Fshowphoto.php%3Fphoto%3D11&hash=a81a9c54ee2c0e3546226e2acbea76d608b8a6c5)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 03:10:54 PM
But don't worry. Our visitors' stands are climate controlled for your viewing pleasure
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 17, 2005, 03:11:57 PM
Yeah, that side gets the sun during the second half--long after most fans have cleared out :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 03:18:13 PM
Sorry to say i wont be there.  Ill be in my climate controlled living room, listening to the greatest day in Fighting Scots history.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 03:43:59 PM
Yeah, there's probably not enough room for your head, anyways.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 03:45:25 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 03:18:13 PM
Sorry to say i wont be there.  Ill be in my climate controlled living room, listening to the greatest day in Fighting Scots history.....

Your program must be bad if a 49-7 loss to SJU is the greatest day in your history!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 03:53:40 PM
Have to give the Scots a little credit----

The blonde on the homepage of the website is a "Hottie" ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 03:56:06 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.monm.edu%2FImages%2FTour%2Ft7.jpg&hash=a5b70c63f0fe8caa6afea87fc35b742f22497b5e)

Isn't that TC's sister? I thought she went to UST...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2005, 04:02:47 PM
Most females are considered hotties to SJU students, aren't they?  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 04:05:56 PM
Yes and most MWC teams are considered doormats.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 17, 2005, 04:07:55 PM
Jock finds himself in dire trouble. His business has gone bust and he's in serious financial problems. He's so desperate that he decides to ask God for help. "God, please help me. Ah've lost ma wee store and if Ah dinna get some money, Ah'm going to lose my hoose too. Please let me win the lottery!" Lottery night! Someone else wins...  Jock prays again. "God, please let me win the lottery! Ah've lost my wee store, ma hoose and Ah'm going to lose ma car as weel!" Lottery night again! Still no luck... Jock prays again.
"Ah've lost ma business, ma hoose and ma car. Ma bairns
are starving. Ah dinna often ask Ye for help and Ah have
always been a good servant to Ye. PLEASE just let me win
the lottery this one time so Ah can get back on ma feet!"
Suddenly there is a blinding flash as the heavens open and
the voice of God Himself thunders:
"Jock at least meet Me half way and buy a ticket!"

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 17, 2005, 04:05:56 PM
Yes and most MWC teams are considered doormats.

First Class Post!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 17, 2005, 04:11:26 PM
ritz72 - thanks for your approval of our homepage...I set up that shot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: kiltedrat on November 17, 2005, 03:56:06 PM
Isn't that TC's sister? I thought she went to UST...

I can only imagine that TC's sister is much homlier (based on his appearance).  I'd introduce that chick to the Johnnie Nation!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 17, 2005, 04:11:26 PM
ritz72 - thanks for your approval of our homepage...I set up that shot.

They have fluffers on staff at MON??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 17, 2005, 04:15:44 PM
They have fluffers on staff at MON??

LOL! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 04:21:42 PM
Ritz,
You trumped my ace... for that I salute and karmalize you!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 17, 2005, 04:26:43 PM
In defense of MC's stands, many fans like to sit on the big hill on the home side. But, yes, we'd like to get more seating, and we'd also like to get pro turf and a nicer press box. Plans for all are in the works.

Heard two things about SJU football today and wanted to check them out. A la Bill Walsh's 49ers, do the Johnnies open the game with a 20-play script? And, is it true that hitting is relatively light in SJU practices ... they save the heavy-hitting for Saturdays?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 17, 2005, 04:27:15 PM
Maverick--

For six pages ago...sorry, busy day at the office.

First, please don't call me Mr. Johnson--I'm way to young for that.

Second, I thought my commas were enough to show what I meant but I guess not.  What I meant was "For the sixth time in seven years, the MWC rep will lose...and this year's rep, Monmouth, will lose handily--i.e. three touchdowns.

Sorry for the confusion but thanks for doing the research.

OneArmedScot
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 17, 2005, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: schwanman on November 17, 2005, 04:26:43 PM
In defense of MC's stands, many fans like to sit on the big hill on the home side. But, yes, we'd like to get more seating, and we'd also like to get pro turf and a nicer press box. Plans for all are in the works.

Heard two things about SJU football today and wanted to check them out. A la Bill Walsh's 49ers, do the Johnnies open the game with a 20-play script? And, is it true that hitting is relatively light in SJU practices ... they save the heavy-hitting for Saturdays?


I doubt the scripting part, Duffman, Ritz, or Mr. Shoes would know more about that since they actually played.

As far as hitting, there is NO hitting in practice. Players only wear shoulder pads and helmets... well they wear shorts or sweatpants and  shoes and socks, but no leg pads. Occassionally an accidental hit will happen on the practice field, but it is the exception not the rule.

There are also no calisthenics, no organized stretching, and no whistles at practice.

Gagliardi's theory on stretching is "A lion doesn't stretch his hamstrings before chasing a gazelle, why should humans be any different."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 17, 2005, 04:45:11 PM
I remember all those "quirks" when St. John's and Gagliardi were featured on ESPN a few(?) years ago...thought it was a little strange at the time, but why mess with success...my h.s. football coach didn't believe in sprints, but we made up for the conditioning in other ways (pursuit drills, kick-off & punt coverages, etc.)...i gotta believe that the players have ways of stretching and getting loose, even if there isn't anything "organized."  Any former Johnnies care to give some details??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 17, 2005, 04:50:12 PM
ritz - since the Johnnies don't do anything organized to get loose, my guess is that they have fluffers of their own - maybe some 3rd or 4th stringers with soft hands....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 17, 2005, 04:55:32 PM
I only played defense (and even then, only as a scout teamer), so the offensive script thing is a mystery to me. I highly doubt we do anything of the sort, but part of John's reputation is his willingness to try anything that works.

The way I understood the lack of organized stretching, conditioning, etc. is this: there are enough talented guys on the team, that if the first-stringer doesn't do his job staying in shape and getting prepared, there is any number of guys who are more than willing to step in and get their chance to prove themselves. You slack, you sit. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 17, 2005, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 17, 2005, 04:11:26 PM
ritz72 - thanks for your approval of our homepage...I set up that shot.

hey you cant take full credit for that shot!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 17, 2005, 07:07:54 PM
We did have 1 drill in warm ups...the "nice day"drill.  we'd all lie on the ground and look up and admire what a "nice day" in was.  Gag's has got the boy's practicing in the Palestra this time of year. Would want anybody to get a cold or sick ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BumFighter on November 17, 2005, 07:12:03 PM
It's always a nice day in the Palestra....and game day at Clemens Stadium.

The sun always shines on Johnnies football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: SeattleScot on November 17, 2005, 02:37:09 PM
The link to the team-by-team snap shots on the front page are a nice touch, however, someone obviously didn't do their homework.  Unless I am mistaken, I didn't spend four years going to school in Jacksonville, Illinois.  Monmouth College is located in (gasp!) Monmouth, Illinois, not Jacksonville.  Nice work.

Alright, alright, take it easy. This is one person doing 32 of these freakin' things and sometimes when working from memory I slip up. Give me a freakin' break.

At least someone else had the common courtesy to actually e-mail me rather than gripe about it on the message boards, so I actually found out about it. If you cared about the information being correct, rather than just being an ass and bitching about it, you could've done the same.

By the way, they're not just a nice touch, they're a staple of our annual coverage. Those who come around the site in November know this.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 17, 2005, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: schwanman on November 17, 2005, 04:26:43 PM
In defense of MC's stands, many fans like to sit on the big hill on the home side. But, yes, we'd like to get more seating, and we'd also like to get pro turf and a nicer press box. Plans for all are in the works.

Heard two things about SJU football today and wanted to check them out. A la Bill Walsh's 49ers, do the Johnnies open the game with a 20-play script? And, is it true that hitting is relatively light in SJU practices ... they save the heavy-hitting for Saturdays?

I echo what Kilted rat says plus I also wanted to mention if you are not aware that the QBs at SJU call their own plays. Many times coming out of a time out a specific play is called,but during the flow of the game the QB has pretty much free rein.They will also run a handful of "favorite" plays to death until proven that they don't work. From 2000-2003 Blake Elliott make a living on the WR screen because his QB's  could smell "blood in the water" if the other team was playing man & the CB couldn't handle Blake.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 08:32:08 PM
No scripted plays.

No hitting in practice.  Well, you have to hit on the line, but nothing more than that.  You'd get yelled at.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2005, 08:33:23 PM
To any Monmouth fans leaving tomorrow.  Have a nice trip.  I hope you enjoy your first and last play-off game this year.  SJU will totally out-class you in a short while.  Peaces out.

Scots blow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 08:34:01 PM
I think I would have enjoyed practice if we didn't hit all the time ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 17, 2005, 09:09:30 PM
Kubiak, I don't think you'd fit in that cat dome.. ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 17, 2005, 09:11:04 PM
Hey MWC,

We almost doubled your season posting total in 1 week :D

Fear the power of the MIAC :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 17, 2005, 09:39:55 PM
Quote from: SJU92#57 on November 17, 2005, 09:09:30 PM
Kubiak, I don't think you'd fit in that cat dome.. ::)

It's got sand in it... I work in a sand box....  There's a connection there somewhere
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 17, 2005, 09:45:36 PM
Ok buddy, what ever you say. ::)You need to get out more.(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg305.imageshack.us%2Fimg305%2F5025%2Fbunny8kn.png&hash=68ab4b7bd86e0dc3de655aba86807b0e526f0b30)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TRU on November 17, 2005, 10:08:04 PM
I think one good thing we can say about these Monmouth posters is they are not SNC posters. Remember a few years back. I think Pat had to shut down the MWC board after the SJU-SNC game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJUGator on November 17, 2005, 10:24:43 PM
No scripted plays

No hitting in practice-except initial contact off the ball-AND

an occasional scout offensive receiver with the 1st D  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 17, 2005, 11:51:55 PM
Tru, that's because we kicked their arses.  Wait till after sat. and this board will have 500 pages of excuses posted as to why they lost. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 06:52:22 AM
I hear that I missed ScotRbetterthanU's reply to me.  Where are you now, buddy? :D

Gator, there is also a short open season on scout QB's.  Unfortunately, you usually ended up getting drilled in the head on the next play.  Oh, the memories. 

According to the Times, MC will be practicing at Augsburg today!?  First of all, there dome is up already.  Second of all, why would you practice at the worst facilities in the conference?  Maybe it will make them feel at home.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 07:08:54 AM
Maybe if they practice on the facilities of the worst team in the MIAC they'll feel better about themselves.

I bet they could probably play Auggie Tech pretty close!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 18, 2005, 07:35:51 AM
                                   Jonnie Nation

As powerful on the football field as they are in post patterns.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 08:03:01 AM
Come on, it's Johnnie Nation. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 08:34:11 AM
Looks like the Scots have some pretty good size on their O and D lines and their LB's.  How would you fans rate each (objectively)?  Is the o-line better at run blocking or pass blocking?  Do they have decent footwork, or are they just brutes up front?  How about the d-line?  Do they come at you hard, or are they more of a read-and-react style?  Are the linebackers the athletic type that can cover a receiver, or are they mainly used to plug holes?  What else can you tell us?  Is your passing game more quick rhythm or does he air it out.

Here's my brief synopsis of the Johnnies for you:
The o-line isn't too big and is much better at pass blocking.  They have struggled with a d-line that controls the line of scrimmage.  They aren't the type to blow you off the ball in the running game; they'll work angles and beat you that way.  The receivers are fairly good.  Gearman is huge and runs like a gazelle, Royce-Diop is deceptively fast, but his hands are questionable.  They runs WR sweeps with him a lot.  Haugen is a midget and not too fast, but he catches the ball well.  There are a few other receivers that will rotate in, too.  Keating is a huge TE but gets hurt a lot.  I think he'll be playing.  Our RBs are very good.  There are about 4 that will play quite a bit.  Weber and Lofboom will probably start.  Both catch the ball well out of the backfield.  Weber is an animal if he gets a hole.  Beaudry and Luberts usually get quite a bit of time as well.  Both are small but run hard.  QB is Kofoed.  Very, very good, but he's young and will make his share of mistakes.  He'll force throws when he's out of rhythm.  We'll work the short passing game a lot, usually.  Also, he'll throw long on occasion, but not as much as I'd like to see.

On defense, the d-line is probably the best I've ever seen.  They aren't huge, but use quickness to their advantage.  The run a read and react and will come at you in a lot of different alignments.  They are very fast off the ball and get into the backfield a lot.  The linebackers are pretty good and very athletic.  Hawn is by far the best.  He's very smart and leads the defense well.  Both corners are good but not very big.  Zauhar doesn't get throw at too much (you may have seen him return a pick for 100 yards in the Stagg in '03).  The safeties are young but have inproved well as the season has gone along.  They both have pretty good size.

Well, that's my quick assessment for you.  I hope someone can give me a similar outlook on the Scots.  It's been fun sparring with you guys this week.  I hope I offended no one.  We Johnnies just like to have a good time.  Safe travels, and I hope to meet a lot of you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 18, 2005, 09:23:55 AM
Well, Like I said in August when the chest pounders at SNC owned the board, if the MWC is to get respected then we must stand-up and BEAT the big boys.

SNC proved fraud...maybe the Scots can prove different.

Nothing puts a team, program, conference on the map like beating a storied program like SJU. Great tradition, Coach, players, history--I can't think of a better opportunity.

Good luck this weekend Scots.


Going in the other direction

I will be very interested in what will be happening at Beloit. 5-5 this season with a skelton crew--Whoever becomes the next HC will have but one great mission--bring in the players!!!
IF that can happen look for the BUCS to go to the show in the future. If not-return to status quo.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 09:29:58 AM
Duff Man:  Why couldn't you guys post like that this week?  Some of us would like to discuss football issues, but have had to put up with comments like this:

"To any Monmouth fans leaving tomorrow.  Have a nice trip.  I hope you enjoy your first and last play-off game this year.  SJU will totally out-class you in a short while.  Peaces out.  Scots blow."  Do you recognize this one D-Man?

In one week you have doubled the number of posts on this site, and we're all dumber for it...

In a nutshell, the Scots didn't go 10-0 just by "out-bruting" their opponents.  They have good young coaches and the team is sound at many/most aspects of offense and defense.  I'll be interested to read your impressions of the team after the game.  Perhaps you can try go give it a little more thought than "Scots blow."

Good luck to the Scots tomorrow.  Speaking for myself, I know they are in for a massive challenge.  But I know they will play hard and represent the Monmouth and the MWC to the best of their ability.  Win or lose, the Scots Nation is proud of our team.

"Monmouth Fooball in 2005!"   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 18, 2005, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: rome on November 18, 2005, 09:23:55 AM
SNC proved fraud...maybe the Scots can prove different.

Name your team's accomplishments.

What have you and Beloit, I believe, done for this conference in the last 10 years? You're a goon - always have been.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 18, 2005, 09:41:12 AM
I can't go as indepth as DuffMan, but I can offer a few observations. Games are won upfront, and I really like Monmouth's defensive line. Dihle and Goranson are studs, Bush is solid, and players like Kirchner, Cantwell and Inniss also contribute situationally. I can't handicap how they'll fare vs. SJU's offensive line, but it should be a good matchup.

The crux of the whole game, in my opinion, is the other line matchup. SJU sounds very tough upfront defensively. Our guys are okay. IF they can keep players away from Tanney, he WILL make good decisions. Our head coach is a very good play-caller, and he'll know when to take a chance downfield. Mostly, though, Tanney will throw 0-15-yard passes. We don't have a breakaway running game, but that's okay ... Haffner, in particular, and the rest of our deep receiving corps provide the big plays.

My guess is that Zigler and Bast are as good as SJU's best players at LB and DB, respectively. Do we have enough others that compare? We'll see.

Offensively, Tanney and Haffner are as good as what you have but, again, do the rest of the skill players compare?

I'd love to be there and see for myself.

I think the only way Scots Nation will make excuses for a loss is if it's a close game and a call or break went against us. If it's 49-7 or whatever Johnnie Nation is predicting, we'd tip our caps and root you on the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 09:42:03 AM
Scottie, I and other Johnnie fans gave you all a warm welcome when the match-up was announced.  That said, we also warned you that we're quite a boisterous bunch.
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2005, 09:08:19 AM
I echo the sentiments of previous Johnnie posters.  Come and join us, we always have a good time.  I look forward to a fun-filled day with the Johnnies prevailing in a Monkey StompTM.

Feel free to poke your heads in the MIAC board this week.  Our conversations are quite lively.
I've already posted it several times, but most of the comments and insults thrown around on here are in jest.  Do the Scots blow?  I wouldn't know, but I'll find out.  Some of you guys need to lighten up a little.  We like to talk football, but that's not all.  If you had questions about SJU, you should have asked them and I am sure that you would have gotten a dozen serious responses.  What football knowledge have you contributed this week?

I'm done commenting on the situation.  If you choose to take everything I say at face value, so be it.

Thank you for your statements on Monmouth's team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2005, 09:29:58 AM
Duff Man:  Why couldn't you guys post like that this week?  Some of us would like to discuss football issues, but have had to put up with comments like this:

"To any Monmouth fans leaving tomorrow.  Have a nice trip.  I hope you enjoy your first and last play-off game this year.  SJU will totally out-class you in a short while.  Peaces out.  Scots blow."  Do you recognize this one D-Man?

In one week you have doubled the number of posts on this site, and we're all dumber for it...

In a nutshell, the Scots didn't go 10-0 just by "out-bruting" their opponents.  They have good young coaches and the team is sound at many/most aspects of offense and defense.  I'll be interested to read your impressions of the team after the game.  Perhaps you can try go give it a little more thought than "Scots blow."

Good luck to the Scots tomorrow.  Speaking for myself, I know they are in for a massive challenge.  But I know they will play hard and represent the Monmouth and the MWC to the best of their ability.  Win or lose, the Scots Nation is proud of our team.

"Monmouth Fooball in 2005!"   >:(

It should be "When they lose", not "Win or lose"!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 09:44:39 AM
Thanks, Schwanman.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 18, 2005, 09:46:04 AM
112 players all conference, they are handing them out now
who wants one if everyone has one

I know it was talked about it 20 pages ago but I missed 2 days.

Greg-

Beloit brings the best coach in the conference to the table??

And he tried to play smashmouth football with 29 guys on the roster. 

Does anyone think they will still run wing-t next year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 09:47:33 AM
Thanks for demonstrating my point, Ritz72.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 09:48:55 AM
 Piggy backing--

The key matchup is the DL of SJU vs. MON's OL----  Against the arguably the toughest O in the MIAC STO, we took awat their long passing game with an excellent pass rush, then our LB's eliminated their short game.  

The tough thing about the Jay's D-Line is that you cannot focus on one of them.  All 2 will be All-Americans again this year, and the other 2 will receive conference or region accolades.

Like Duff said, this is the toughest Jay's D in a long, long, time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2005, 09:47:33 AM
Thanks for demonstrating my point, Ritz72.


Ask a football question and get a football answer.  Rip us, and what do you expect?

Take a midol, drink some V-8, take a nap, and LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE!!!! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 09:55:59 AM
Ritz,  I hear that MC has a few all-conference players, too.  In fact, all of them ;D  Scottie's crabby!  I think he needs a nap.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:00:59 AM
I'm going to preface this question with two points:  1. I'm not implying that the MWC is in the same league as the MIAC, and 2. We don't need to start comparing academics either...

My question goes back to Mighty Royal's question about Monmouth's competition this year.  How competitive is the MIAC for St. John's?  Looking at their conference standings, there seems to be slightly more parity in the MWC.  The MWC has 5 teams with winning conference records, the MIAC has 3.  It appears that SJU rolled through the MIAC the same way that MC rolled through the MWC - albeit with a couple of close calls.  

The big difference between the conference appears to be that, since the MWC has one more member, MIAC schools can play 2 non-conference games - and that does give them an advantage if they can schedule tough competition like Eau Claire, etc.  As stated previously, Monmouth gets Wartburg the next two years which should hopefully quiet the critics somewhat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 18, 2005, 10:03:04 AM
Not all of them only 19 all-conf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 10:09:39 AM
Okay, and here is a football answer.  

The MIAC wasn't too much of a challenge for SJU this year.  Concordia was/is very tough, other than that, SJU breezed through it's season.  St. Olaf had a good team, but SJU got up early on them and everything fell into place.  That being said, the MIAC generally is more competitive.  Bethel has had some very good teams in the past 7 or so years.  St. Thomas and Gustavus are usually teams that play tough with the Johnnies, too.  

Non-conference wise, SJU played a good UWEC team and would have beat them handily except for 3 blocked punts in the second half.  Northwestern, though, is a creampuff.

My guess is that if Monmouth would have played in the MIAC this year, they would have finished 4th behind SJU, CC, and STO.  I've never seen them, but I'm basing this on seeing and playing against St. Norbert several times.

I think the difference is that SJU has proven that they have the ability to go deep in the play-offs time and time again.  The MWC has not proven this, so they don't get respect, no matter who the MWC champ is.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:15:57 AM
See, that wasn't so hard.   8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 10:16:36 AM
Scots suck :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:25:01 AM
No, they really don't.  Neither do the Johnnies.  But I guess you and the other maroons can make an informed opinion in about 27 hours.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 10:27:42 AM
I've already formed my opinion of the Scots, tomorrow will just further enforce it :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 18, 2005, 10:27:26 AM
Scottie,
I will agree with you that the MIAC wasn't as competitive this year as past years, which Duffman pointed out....but when you look at the type of players the MIAC produces, you will agree that the MIAC is full of unbelievable athletes...i.e.  Michael Johnson, Jake Barkley(graduated All-american RB's)...Phil Porta, Jr., is an outstanding running back for BU, which will surpass the all-time MIAC rushing record held by Barkley, next season.  SJU has all-american D-lineman...not to mention a couple yrs back SJU had Blake Elliot(Gagliardi Trophy winner), Cam McCambridge (all-american LB), and Jeremy Hood (all-american D-lineman), St. Thomas has Ubbelhode which is arguably one of the best linebackers in the nation, etc etc....You see that past players as well as present players continue to emerge as some of the best in DIII, so the MIAC is usually unbelievably competitive...maybe not so much this year besides Concordia-Moorehead and SJU, but most years the MIAC is arguably one of the most competitive conferences in the nation...along with IIAC and WIAC conferences!

Mighty Royal

Well put Mighty if I could Karmalize you I would ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:34:47 AM
I can hear Bruce Springsteen's "Glory Days" blaring at the next reunion.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 10:37:35 AM
If MC had flory days to think about, you'd probably appreciate that song a bit more!


Snydz definitely knows what its talking about..."This one time in 2001 I totally won the game...then we lost the next game by 70..."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:43:02 AM
MC has had plenty of "flory" days.   While you were thinking of your next insult to sling our way, you could have searched that our men's athletic program is the reigning all-sports champions of the MWC. 

Just out of curiosity...since we're coming up to play football, how would your boys like to come down for a track meet sometime?   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 18, 2005, 10:46:42 AM
Let's play this game

Monmouth beat Beloit 56-30
Carleton beat Beloit 53-28
St. John's beat Carleton 41-7

Just to compare some scores.  Giving up 30 to Beloit is not very impressive for the Scots.  There is no way the Scots stop the Johnnies offense if they can't stop Beloit's.  In order to win, Momouth will need to put up some serious points.

OneArmedScot
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 10:49:02 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:43:02 AM
our men's athletic program is the reigning all-sports champions of the MWC.  

Like I said, it's like being the prettiest girl in the trailer park.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frds.yahoo.com%2FS%3D96062883%2FK%3Dtrailer%2Btrash%2Fv%3D2%2FSID%3De%2FTID%3DI999_73%2Fl%3DIVI%2FSIG%3D12asnfe61%2FEXP%3D1132415268%2F%2A-http%253A%2F%2Fwww.owlnet.rice.edu%2F%7Evalkyrie%2Ftrailertrash1.JPG&hash=dac46752fd37bb2c7e9222cef73c34b69a954921)


You may be #1 in your own little world, but compared to the rest of the world... you ain't much!


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 18, 2005, 10:49:20 AM
OAScott, against the Johnnie D?????Maybe 20 ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 18, 2005, 10:50:56 AM
Kiltedrat, where did you get a pic of scottie's sisters... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:56:14 AM
Again, let's do some quick fact checking...

The Monmouth-Beloit score was 49-8 at halftime and 56-14 after the third quarter.  Beloit scored 16 points in the fourth quarter - obviously against the second or third string of MC.  Many of the Scots' games were like this.  At the time, Beloit was winless and MC called off the dogs. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 11:02:39 AM
MR,

I'd recommend zoloft as well.

Some of their fans appear to need it for its anti-PMDD properties ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebread on November 18, 2005, 11:03:18 AM
MR, any chance you'll be in Collegeville handing it out to Monmouth fans? They're gonna need it!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 11:04:56 AM
Might I suggest Remeron SolTabs? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 18, 2005, 10:50:30 AM
Prediction:
Tanney throws 4 interceptions!

Mighty Royal

That would be amazing being that he has only thrown 6 in his last 20 games.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 18, 2005, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2005, 10:43:02 AM
While you were thinking of your next insult to sling our way...

The Chairman of the grievance committee accounces boredom with the victimology already and requests scottie to get on with it already.  It is officially noted that continuous whining is really boring.

Everyone gets it.  You're mature and the Johnny supporters aren't.  Move on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: onearmedscot on November 18, 2005, 10:46:42 AM
Let's play this game

Monmouth beat Beloit 56-30
Carleton beat Beloit 53-28
St. John's beat Carleton 41-7

Just to compare some scores.  Giving up 30 to Beloit is not very impressive for the Scots.  There is no way the Scots stop the Johnnies offense if they can't stop Beloit's.  In order to win, Momouth will need to put up some serious points.

OneArmedScot


If MC didnt call off the dawgs halfway through the third they would have scored 100.  this is a very bad example homey...... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 18, 2005, 11:21:52 AM
Old Fighting Scot -- exactly right, which is why comparing scores, though sometimes accurate, cannot really be trusted.

The most prime example of Monmouth's calling off the dawgs came against Ripon. The Scots took a 48-0 lead and subbed extensively. The Red Hawks closed the final score to 48-34.

Games like that and Beloit are why Monmouth's defense is not a big statistical leader. The unit feels they're underrrated and overlooked. Saturday would be a nice time for them to prove outsiders wrong.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 11:23:44 AM
OK, and explain the 63-9 stomping SJU gave STO, a team that is far better than Beloit. John called off the dogs in the 3rd quarter, and yet the 2nd and 3rd string defenses yielded only 6 more points. AND, after dropping 35 in the 2nd quarter, the 1st string O could have scored 100 in three quarters (no, not really, but "on pace to" is a ridiculous measure).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 11:31:42 AM
Quote from: schwanman on November 18, 2005, 11:21:52 AM
Saturday would be a nice time for them to prove outsiders wrong.

Would be a nice time, but unfortunately, it won't!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 11:32:26 AM
My point is this: "calling off the dogs" is a pretty dangerous excuse. When your backup defenders give up 34 points, that's not a good sign. You're one or two injuries to first-stringers away from having those backups on the field when the dogs are still "on". The Johnnies pride themselves on not giving up points, no matter how "in hand" the game is. That's why the "respectability" touchdown (note: singular) often scored at the ends of games is met with such disappointment and disdain from the coaches (trust me, they hate 'em), players, and especially fans.

Of the blowout games for SJU this year, Northwestern didn't get one, Carleton did, GAC didn't, Hamline didn't (shutout), Bethel didn't (3rd Q TD), Augsburg did (3rd Q and 4th Q), St. Olaf did (blocked XP), UST did (one would argue that both the 2nd Q and the 4th Q TDs were of the mercy variety). I can guarantee you that after each of those scores, Jerry and Gary were working as hard with the backups to plug holes and fix mistakes as they were with the first-string earlier in the game. There is NO attitude of "meh, we're well ahead already" anywhere on that team. Is it a "kick 'em when they're down" attitude like some would allege? Hardly. It's merely taking pride in one's work as a defender, and that means defending the goal, regardless of score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 11:32:54 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 08:34:11 AM
Looks like the Scots have some pretty good size on their O and D lines and their LB's.  How would you fans rate each (objectively)?  Is the o-line better at run blocking or pass blocking?  Do they have decent footwork, or are they just brutes up front?  How about the d-line?  Do they come at you hard, or are they more of a read-and-react style?  Are the linebackers the athletic type that can cover a receiver, or are they mainly used to plug holes?  What else can you tell us?  Is your passing game more quick rhythm or does he air it out.]

O-line.  very big, but somewhat inexperienced.  only returned one (maybe two) starters from last years 9-1 team.  pass blocking is their strength, but against a push have been sketchy in protecting tanney.  Run blocking is relatively average but, daniels is a speedster (if he gets in the open field he will not be caught by a johnnie or a viking for that matter).  if we are running well it is b/c the opposition is just too small.

D-line is huge (have a 6-7 260-270 lb tackle, former bball center)and very athletic up the middle.  if we are playing well the d-line will just stand up opposing line and push them back.  zigler #48 LB is as good as they come.  saw baby urlacher (lake forest) and LB from nubs (3 or 4 years ago) and he is better.  both of those guys are or have been in "the league."  other two Lb's make plays when too much attention is paid to #48.  the secondary is young, outside of #21 bast.  very aggressive, physical corner.  wont back down, might give up a big play, but if he does he will make two.  the defense is lacking superior speed, if you check back to like page 20 i said the same thing before we played nubs. 

Bottomline:  a little more speed on D and One more playmaker on O is keeping the scots from winning a national title with their current team.  But the intangibles of tanney, and the skills of the playmakers we do have will make saturday's game a lot more interesting than the D3football.com nation think........

Beware of the Scots Nation, the fever is spreading and reaching epic proportions!
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 11:35:00 AM
OH, LIGHTEN UP MR. SHOES!  You're taking this way too seriously!!!   ;D

Actually, the Scots' fans are overly excited and proud of our team's accomplishments this season (and for the last 17 games in a row).  It's just that when we try to celebrate our accomplishments, pcole and you jonnie-straps try to throw a wet blanket on us.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 11:37:17 AM
My karma dropped, someone must have googled or WebMD'ed PMDD. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 11:38:38 AM
Calling off the dawgs and playing the third and 4th string is probably the biggest difference between MC and the johnnies.  MC is not a deep team and the reserves are not as talented as one would like.  but last i checked there are only 11 guys on the field for each team at any given time.  when the game matters the MC starters are one the field handling their business.....

unless we are up by 30 going into 4th you wont have to worry about the strenght of our 3rd or 4th string.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 11:41:30 AM
Get yelled at for having too much fun... get yelled at for being too serious and talking football. WTF?

GO JOHNNIES!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 11:44:45 AM
My sentiments exactly.  WTF
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 11:49:18 AM
any thoughts on the laker/clipper game tonite?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebread on November 18, 2005, 11:49:30 AM
Why does there seem to be so little support for Monmouth from other MWC fans? Come on MWC fans show your support! I was hoping Greg Pawlik would come on here today and announce he would be an attendance tomorrow wearing a skirt and cheering on the Scots ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 11:52:47 AM
pawslick sucks....

and generally the only fans that are active on here are either from De Poor or MC.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 18, 2005, 11:59:09 AM
Greg

Goon eh, and you get this for what?

When did you play?

I like you SNC guys--whenever someone makes a point it is bam--but look at our record over the past few years...Yes, Greg you guys have own the conference--but for how long?

In 1995 Beloit played for the conference championship v. Ripon and lost--they were also ranked in the final National Poll that season.

And if we are chest pounding--how did mighty Beloit-in your words "who has done nothing for this conference" nearly defeat the mighty Green Knights in week Two?

Let's simply support the MWC representative this Saturday instead of talking about all the mighty accomplishments that SNC has done for the conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 18, 2005, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: johnniebread on November 18, 2005, 11:49:30 AM
Why does there seem to be so little support for Monmouth from other MWC fans? Come on MWC fans show your support! I was hoping Greg Pawlik would come on here today and announce he would be an attendance tomorrow wearing a skirt and cheering on the Scots ;D

Thanks for calling. I was waiting by the phone.
I don't care much for Monmouth, but as I told them earlier, I wish them well, and hope they enjoy the experience. We played SJU twice at SNC, and you would have sworn we got thrown around like a bastard by some our the Johnnies comments here.

I understand it's just fun and games on this board. But if my memory serves me correctly, after ending my career in Collegeville (and after the weeks it took me to find myself reading these posts), there were plenty of positives the SJU faithful took from SNC from that game. Of course, there was the big negative that I hope we can put to bed, but we played tough, and gave you a good game (for three quarters I believe).

Now, we weren't national championship level. You, obviously, were.

Long story short, the Skirts will play tough. But, I played in three playoff games, and was shocked by the difference of competition my first time (Central). I'm not sure we had more than 100 yards offense.

The Skirts MIGHT fall into that category Saturday. Regardless, good luck.

Have a nice day Rome. Is this horseshoes?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Outside View on November 18, 2005, 12:01:44 PM
Not to be a stickler- but the reason there is no to little support from other MWC teams/ fans is the simple fact that MC stands no chance on Saturday.  They will be outmatched, outclassed, and simply beat by a better team.  Nothing against the MWC, but this is a down year for all of the teams and Monmouth is just not ready to compete with the big boys in the region.  No play-off experience, it is a great big deal.  St. John's just might be better than Knox.  I wish them luck, but truly it is just an extra game for the seniors which they will enjoy til about kick-off.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 12:07:49 PM
Who asked you, Newbie?   >:(

signed,

Grumpy Scottie

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 18, 2005, 12:10:01 PM

Is this horseshoes?


Your quick Wisconsin wit has me confused. WTF are you talking about?



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebread on November 18, 2005, 12:11:19 PM
Surely the thought of a new conference champ is exciting....right? I am very excited to see the Scots tomorrow! I was getting bored with the whole SNC thing. It would go along way toward conference unity if Greg were to show up tomorrow in a skirt. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 18, 2005, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: rome on November 18, 2005, 11:59:09 AM
And if we are chest pounding--how did mighty Beloit-in your words "who has done nothing for this conference" nearly defeat the mighty Green Knights in week Two?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 12:16:52 PM
I hope it is the Johnnie fans who are saying WTF after the Scots end the game celebrating on the field.

Greg, what size waist are you?  I can have a kilt overnighted to you.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 18, 2005, 12:18:29 PM
Do you have any paisley drapes?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 18, 2005, 12:19:09 PM
Again Greg you got me.
I asked a simple question-and no answer.

Let's make this easier:
What happened v. Whitewater? v. the Scots?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: schwanman on November 18, 2005, 12:21:24 PM
Calling off the dogs is just a fact of life. It happens in every sport and at every level. Teams stop applying a full-court press, stealing bases, throwing downfield, etc. In many football mismatches, the victorious coach could pick a final score and get there by his use of players on the field and the plays called.

Good for SJU that its reserves can preserve shutouts. In some of our games, we didn't. I don't think that will be even a minor factor in this game.

As Old Fighting Scot implied, unless Monmouth suffers 3-4 in-game injuries on both sides of the ball, our lack of depth is really not a factor.

That being said, I will admit this. If Tanney gets hurt, we'll be in big trouble.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2005, 12:16:52 PM
I hope it is the Johnnie fans who are saying WTF after the Scots end the game celebrating on the field.

Greg, what size waist are you?  I can have a kilt overnighted to you.   ;D


We sure aren't used to losing teams celebrating following our dominating them, so we probably would say WTF.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 12:22:21 PM
I can answer the UWW question... SNC got stomped 45-7.. didn't score until there was like 6 min. left in the game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:25:27 PM
in pawslicker's defense, UWW beat everybody like that this year, and the wiac is supposed to be one of the best conferences around. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Outside View on November 18, 2005, 12:25:37 PM
Scottie-  I am just sick and tired of the pointless chatter from anyone from the MWC on this board.  I have been around the IIAC, WIAC, and MWC.  The champ from the MWC, year in and year out, would at best finish third in the other two conferences.  The talent level is considerable less in the MWC.  The reason the teams from the other conferences have loses is because the teams in them are all pretty equal (talent wise.)  The MWC cannot compete with the WIAC, IIAC, MIAC, and many other conferences in recruiting and it shows on the field.  I have been around these conference and board for over a year now, have not said a word, BUT I WILL BE SILENT NO MORE.  I have seen it all, the MWC and MC does not stand a chance against St. John's.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 12:27:08 PM
Good comeback, kiltedrat.   ???   After the Scots pull the upset, you'll be doing a little bit of this after the game....   :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 12:28:02 PM
Good job scottie you have awoken a sleeping giant
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 18, 2005, 12:28:20 PM
Lost.

I'll only go back two years on you.

What happened vs. (2004) Carleton (from Fresh Prince??), SNC, FFC, MC, CC. (2004) SNC, LFC, MC, CC, RC, IC, GC?

You "nearly" beat SNC? Nearly is the key word. In what sport can you get points for nearly doing something? Come on everybody, all at once - horseshoes.

I will tone down my barb next time when you bring up the 1995 national ranking. Guess what. You're conference doesn't care about natty rankings anymore. We want playoff wins, Old School.

Good luck on replacing DeGeorge.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 12:29:25 PM
Bottomline:  a little more speed on D and One more playmaker on O is keeping the scots from winning a national title with their current team.  But the intangibles of tanney, and the skills of the playmakers we do have will make saturday's game a lot more interesting than the D3football.com nation think........

Beware of the Scots Nation, the fever is spreading and reaching epic proportions!
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That, by far, is the most rediculous thing EVER said on ANY board.........
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:29:53 PM
outsideview,

from the Scots Nation.......

Go Back outside!!!! >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 18, 2005, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: Outside View on November 18, 2005, 12:25:37 PM
Scottie-  I am just sick and tired of the pointless chatter from anyone from the MWC on this board.  I have been around the IIAC, WIAC, and MWC.  The champ from the MWC, year in and year out, would at best finish third in the other two conferences.  The talent level is considerable less in the MWC.  The reason the teams from the other conferences have loses is because the teams in them are all pretty equal (talent wise.)  The MWC cannot compete with the WIAC, IIAC, MIAC, and many other conferences in recruiting and it shows on the field.  I have been around these conference and board for over a year now, have not said a word, BUT I WILL BE SILENT NO MORE.  I have seen it all, the MWC and MC does not stand a chance against St. John's.

This from a former SNC coach? Are you kidding?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 12:32:42 PM
OV - You do know about the recruiting restrictions of the MWC, right?  Leave that issue out of the equation because there's nothing we can do about that.

It's about time to let the players decide this game on the field.  (Thank goodness!)  Please stay of our our room during basketball season.

GO SCOTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:33:55 PM
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That, by far, is the most rediculous thing EVER said on ANY board.........
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Why, you asked for an honest opinion and you got one.  I dont believe the Johnnies are national title caliber, I believe that they are good enough to be where they are, but have enought weaknesses to be shocked by MC.....

So there!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebread on November 18, 2005, 12:35:20 PM
Why just bring the Scots Nation when you could bring the whole damn MWC Nation? Greg perhaps you could persuade coach Purtill to come along as well. Gather as many former SNC players as possible and come relive the Collegeville experience one last time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2005, 12:27:08 PM
Good comeback, kiltedrat.   ???   After the Scots pull the upset, you'll be doing a little bit of this after the game....   :'(


Wanna bet a t-shirt (new) on it?

SJU wins, you send me a Monmouth t-shirt, MC wins, I send you an SJU t-shirt?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 18, 2005, 12:38:47 PM
Greg

yes-Beloit has been down. Back to my original point, if a program that is not supposed to contend gives the team that is supposed to win the conference one of its closest games of the year what does that tell you about the state of the program?
Perhaps the loses of the many members of the "Little General's" staff have now become noticeable. Larry showed real promise this season--draw your own conclusions.

Let's say this---Beloit will bring in a new HC that will be able to recruit---Like the Little General did in the Spring of 99--and they will contend again---They finished strong and have the the best rb in the conference.

Let's both agree that we will cheer for MC on Saturday.

For MC to have a chance they have to keep the game close and not be overwhelmed SJU terrific defense. Patience is key--if they press mistakes will happen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 12:43:01 PM
K-rat:  I don't do business on this site.  (I also have CD's available for the music fans in my new Minnesota fan club.)  But a t-shirt wager is probably possible since I'm a good sport.  Email me from my profile link.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:33:55 PM
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That, by far, is the most rediculous thing EVER said on ANY board.........
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Why, you asked for an honest opinion and you got one.  I dont believe the Johnnies are national title caliber, I believe that they are good enough to be where they are, but have enought weaknesses to be shocked by MC.....

So there!!!!

Name 5 weaknesses you believe the Johnnies have..

Here is what I am gathering the 5 for MON are---

1.  NO playoff experience (Clemens Stadium)
2.  Suspect O line against a dominant D- line
3.  Have not seen the speed SJU will bring to the table
4.  May be forced to become 1 dimensional without being able to establish a running game.
5.  The film that MON has seen of SJU, last 2 games shows VERY little of the O.  The last 2 have been as vanilla as I have seen in years....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 18, 2005, 12:44:53 PM
Rome,

Very impressed with LU's finish, and Beloits. LU should have been .500 if they would have played the cancelled game against Mac.

SNC still has a great core of coaches. Not sure what's going on with the new d-coordinator though. i don't know if he's staying (he came out of retirement) or if Marsh is coming back? It'll be intetersting to see.

That D really came around the second half of the season. Unfortunatly, it was too late.

We'll agree to support the Skirts. I didn't mean to call you a dope, pr whatever I said.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 18, 2005, 12:50:09 PM
I cant wait until tomorrow so we can talk about something more useful like why did Monmouth upset the Johnies and how do they get the jelly into the donut?  Good luck to both squads tomorrow. 
I have to ask myself one question?  Which of the Scots are going to show up tomorrow and make a play for the team?  If someone can stand up the team, the crowd, and the hype and make f*^kin play, the Scotties Nation will roll from their on out. 
"Ole always said, Bucket of Blood"  lets see that tomorrow
Go Scots Shock the DIII world
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 18, 2005, 12:50:09 PM
I cant wait until tomorrow so we can talk about something more useful like why did Monmouth upset the Johnies and how do they get the jelly into the donut?  Good luck to both squads tomorrow. 
I have to ask myself one question?  Which of the Scots are going to show up tomorrow and make a play for the team?  If someone can stand up the team, the crowd, and the hype and make f*^kin play, the Scotties Nation will roll from their on out. 
"Ole always said, Bucket of Blood"  lets see that tomorrow
Go Scots Shock the DIII world

Ole got beat 69-3 this year!!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 12:43:45 PM
5.  The film that MON has seen of SJU, last 2 games shows VERY little of the O.  The last 2 have been as vanilla as I have seen in years....

And John LOVES inventing new stuff for the playoffs. I can't WAIT to see what strange formations and plays he comes up with for our kilt-wearing friends from the east.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PM
Name 5 weaknesses you believe the Johnnies have..

Here is what I am gathering the 5 for MON are---

1.  NO playoff experience (Clemens Stadium)
2.  Suspect O line against a dominant D- line
3.  Have not seen the speed SJU will bring to the table
4.  May be forced to become 1 dimensional without being able to establish a running game.
5.  The film that MON has seen of SJU, last 2 games shows VERY little of the O.  The last 2 have been as vanilla as I have seen in years....
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My top 6 for the johnnies are:

1.  May be looking past MC's lack of playoff experience and not at the challenge they will actually pose.
2.  MC hasnt had a tough game in nearly two months, good luck trying to find quality tape on us.
3.  St. Joes is admittedly small up front, when Big pushes on Small, small falls, period.
4.  we say we need more speed, since when does a coach tell profess to the world what he "truly believes" is his biggest weakness, or will be his toughest matchup.
5.  SJU will not be able to run the ball up the middle, period.  this will make everything go to the hashes and prevent huge gains.  
6.  i believe once SJU sees they will not blow us out they may get anxious try to "win it all at once" and try to do things they arent accustomed to "hurry up and win."

yes, this is in a perfect Scots Nation World.  yes i believe SJU has a better chance at winning.  yes johnnie nation has earned all the respect they are given.  no, the weather will not be a factor, (are you kidding me, last i checked MC was in Illinois and half of our conference is in Whiz-Kan-sin...).  yes, MC is as good as advertised.  yes, MC will be ready to go come 10am (PT)!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 01:01:09 PM


MC was in Illinois and half of our conference is in Whiz-Kan-sin...).  yes, MC is as good as advertised.  yes, MC will be ready to go come 10am (PT)!
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Hey der flatlander easy with the Wisconsin jabs ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 18, 2005, 12:56:48 PM
ritz-
It's 69-6 and I am not even a Johnny fan!
And you call urself a Johnny!

Mighty Royal

You're both wrong. 63-9 ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 01:06:04 PM
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Hey der flatlander easy with the Wisconsin jabs ;D
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Sorry Kubiak, had some rough times on the hardwood in Rip-on, and in De Poor.  Havent been in illi in 3 months, in cali we a range named after bullwinkle's buddy.  i ski in 50 degree weather on this white stuff that looks like, feels like, but only vaguely resembles snow....... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 01:17:05 PM
Alright, point by point rebuttal coming up :D

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PMMy top 6 for the johnnies are:

1.  May be looking past MC's lack of playoff experience and not at the challenge they will actually pose.

If you honestly think that the behavior of the posters in indicative of the preparation of the team, you're insane. John gets scared of Hamline during the week. He hasn't looked past a team in 57 years.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PM2.  MC hasnt had a tough game in nearly two months, good luck trying to find quality tape on us.

This is a wash. CC is the only close game we've played all year and unless you are planning on running whatever-the-Cobbers-call-their-O, it's a pretty pointless tape.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PM3.  St. Joes is admittedly small up front, when Big pushes on Small, small falls, period.

Ask the WIAC how well their big pushes on our small. With the exception of a few UW-EC losses in the regular season, SJU hasn't lost to a WIAC school in something like a decade. Time and time again I hear how our small D-Line is going to get pushed around and time and time again, the "little" guys are deceptively strong and disruptively quick. If a small, fast defense wasn't a successful strategy, would John have stuck with it for, well, ever? In 2000, everyone said that our D couldn't handle MUC's offensive line. We lost, yes, but 10-7 shocked everyone. In 2003, it was more of the same. We stomped MUC and held them to 6. Keep underestimating the D-Line. They love being dissed. Right, Duffy?

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PM4.  we say we need more speed, since when does a coach tell profess to the world what he "truly believes" is his biggest weakness, or will be his toughest matchup.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. How is this an SJU weakness?

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PM5.  SJU will not be able to run the ball up the middle, period.  this will make everything go to the hashes and prevent huge gains.

We haven't been able to run up the middle all season. We have four smallish running backs. In the Concordia game, we had 25 rushes for 17 yards. Working between the tackles isn't a focus. I don't think I've EVER seen an SJU team that stresses a smashmouth running game up the middle. If that's what you expect us to do on O, you're preparing for the wrong team. As for preventing huge gains on the outside, good luck. These backs are as fast as any I've seen and the receivers block like linemen. There were several outside plays against STO that had no chance to work, but the back made the corner and was off to the races. We KNOW we aren't an up-the-middle team, so we FOCUS on sealing the corners.

Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PM6.  i believe once SJU sees they will not blow us out they may get anxious try to "win it all at once" and try to do things they arent accustomed to "hurry up and win."

Never in my life have I seen an SJU team get anxious and try to "win it all at once." If we don't blow you out, we don't blow you out. Big whoop. The Redlands game a few years back was one we were supposed to win handily. We couldn't put them away right away, so we just went ahead and won "normally". Period. Again, you're creating a hypothetical situation in which there is an assumption that the coaching staff would lose composure and, thus, lose control of the game. That doesn't happen with this team. Ever. There are a few centuries' worth of experience AT SJU on that sideline. Good luck rattling them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 01:25:51 PM
shoes,

i am extremely sorry that i personally wont be able to "gameplan" or even have any type of impact on the game tomorrow.  i have never even put on pads.  i am making my assumptions from the sidelines, thus my phrase, "this would all be in a perfect Scots Nation world."  this is more wishful thinking rather than a espn gameday prognosis.  i was assuming your jest was the same as you have never seen MC play and no nothing but what Pcole and the D3 staff write.  (notice they didnt even have MC's location right in the original team-by-team analysis)

that was a great job though, and as i have said before this is fun.  i look forward to continuing it with UWW or Linfield next week. :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on November 18, 2005, 01:29:18 PM
Of all the stuff, this might be the dumbest . . .

``3.  St. Joes is admittedly small up front, when Big pushes on Small, small falls, period.''

Paging Larry Kinnard, paging Larry Kinnard ...

...

How much per man did SJU give up in its most recent Stagg Bowl???

Note to OFS: the Stagg is the Division III championship game. It happens a few more games after the first round of playoffs. The first round is also known in the MWC as ``the end of the season.''
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 18, 2005, 01:32:04 PM
OFS,

To answer your signature question "How many Johnnies does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

A: 11 with 5000 standing around talking about how good they're doing and how great they will screw the next bulb in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 01:36:49 PM
OFS, you are right. This IS fun. I enjoy taking the what ifs from your "perfect Scots Nation world" and rebutting them with whys from the "real world--that which bleeds Johnnie red". ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:57:50 PM
Name 5 weaknesses you believe the Johnnies have..

Here is what I am gathering the 5 for MON are---

1.  NO playoff experience (Clemens Stadium)
2.  Suspect O line against a dominant D- line
3.  Have not seen the speed SJU will bring to the table
4.  May be forced to become 1 dimensional without being able to establish a running game.
5.  The film that MON has seen of SJU, last 2 games shows VERY little of the O.  The last 2 have been as vanilla as I have seen in years....
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My top 6 for the johnnies are:

1.  May be looking past MC's lack of playoff experience and not at the challenge they will actually pose.
2.  MC hasnt had a tough game in nearly two months, good luck trying to find quality tape on us.
3.  St. Joes is admittedly small up front, when Big pushes on Small, small falls, period.
4.  we say we need more speed, since when does a coach tell profess to the world what he "truly believes" is his biggest weakness, or will be his toughest matchup.
5.  SJU will not be able to run the ball up the middle, period.  this will make everything go to the hashes and prevent huge gains.  
6.  i believe once SJU sees they will not blow us out they may get anxious try to "win it all at once" and try to do things they arent accustomed to "hurry up and win."

yes, this is in a perfect Scots Nation World.  yes i believe SJU has a better chance at winning.  yes johnnie nation has earned all the respect they are given.  no, the weather will not be a factor, (are you kidding me, last i checked MC was in Illinois and half of our conference is in Whiz-Kan-sin...).  yes, MC is as good as advertised.  yes, MC will be ready to go come 10am (PT)!

I'll take my 5 against your 6 and give you +3 on the line!  (no bets!!)   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 01:48:10 PM
surely the great johnnie nation can spare more than 3 to the lowly MWC champ.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on November 18, 2005, 02:01:13 PM
I feel as if some instruction is needed for our MWC posters who don't seem to quite understand the mindset of we SJU Nation members.

You have to realize that every football season is looked upon as another chance to win a National Championship. Every year, we believe that it is possible. You can't imagine how after last years down season (7 - 3, with the three losses by a total of 5 points) has stoked the fire for this year's run.

We have been spoiled, to some extent, by our perennial success. It also has taught us that St John's can win any game they start, and, most likely they will. We have heard all the smack from other teams' fans, from all other conferences, and have become quite good at the give and take. The Scots, on the other hand, have already had a successful season. You can see that in the talk about just, "making a good run into the playoffs." If SJU does not win the Stagg, it will be a hard pill to swallow.

The "Big beats Little," comment was just another sign that not only don't they get it, it also shows that they have no sense of history, or OFS would have seen the irony of it before typing it. As repete alluded to, the MUC O line outweighed the SJU D line by an average of about 55 - 60 lbs. and were reputed to be athletic. If the zebras would have called all the holding penalties against the Mount, the game would still be going on. 

In summary, Good Luck! You'll need it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: schwanman on November 17, 2005, 04:26:43 PM
In defense of MC's stands, many fans like to sit on the big hill on the home side. But, yes, we'd like to get more seating, and we'd also like to get pro turf and a nicer press box. Plans for all are in the works.



Yeah I see they come by the hundreds and thousands to sit on the hill
http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/football/2002/images/gaskill02s.jpg
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 02:21:32 PM
wait wait, MC is in Ohio now....... ???

well they did just steal away our president, he is a great man, we miss you giese!!!

retagent, i get it.  i dont need you, to explain winning to me.  some of you johnnies really need to take a step back, and realize something a lot of the posting you see from MC, is not coming from former players.  rather proud alumni and/or those who just enjoy following the team, Like Myself.  I root for MC because i know how a winning fball tradition can change the dynamic of a smallish town Monmouth=9900, and an even smaller campus MC=1300 (largest enrollment ever).  We are not claiming to be Texas (going against USC).  more like we are hoping we can become Gonzaga-bball (perenially strong david contender against the D3 goliaths).  The MWC will never be a great fball power top to bottom, but we will always compete.  i as well as the Scots Nation are just hoping that this is the year gonzaga makes it to the final four......

as far as the trash talk goes, would it be more fun for you guys if i just pulled a Knox(our rival) and bent over and took it.  Naw, not me.  i was a part of Fighting Scots teams that win all the time and do get national recognition.  i know what it is like to look down on opponents and i hope for my scotties to one day get to SJU's level.

Quite Frankly, yea your good, but so are we, and maybe this year will be ours 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: schwanman on November 17, 2005, 04:26:43 PM
In defense of MC's stands, many fans like to sit on the big hill on the home side. But, yes, we'd like to get more seating, and we'd also like to get pro turf and a nicer press box. Plans for all are in the works.



Yeah I see they come by the hundreds and thousands to sit on the hill
http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/football/2002/images/gaskill02s.jpg


that side in the photo is three years ago against Nubs and happens to be right in front of the fraternity houses, not exactly a "family" atmosphere......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: schwanman on November 17, 2005, 04:26:43 PM
In defense of MC's stands, many fans like to sit on the big hill on the home side. But, yes, we'd like to get more seating, and we'd also like to get pro turf and a nicer press box. Plans for all are in the works.



Yeah I see they come by the hundreds and thousands to sit on the hill
http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/football/2002/images/gaskill02s.jpg


that side in the photo is three years ago against Nubs and happens to be right in front of the fraternity houses, not exactly a "family" atmosphere......



just giving you sh#% ofs,  I'm bored and the central faithful dont want to play
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 02:32:22 PM
keep givin, i can take it....

im bored as well and cant wait for beer 30 so i can go home...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 01:48:10 PM
surely the great johnnie nation can spare more than 3 to the lowly MWC champ.....

That is out of your 6 "weaknesses"for the Johnnies....

For the game ----- I'll give you +30
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 02:38:19 PM
ah, (light comes on).  you are too kind, ill take your 30 and raise you 20 positive karma points......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 02:40:09 PM
You've got no karma points with which to bet! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: Mighty Royal on November 18, 2005, 02:48:49 PM
There is no way this kid in Monmouth's weight room can put up 320....anybody want to disagree

Mighty Royal

I think those are actually plastic tires from a couple of "big wheels"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 02:56:42 PM
mighty you are correct about hte kid in the pic, it was just a great photo op for him..... 

i think he is a transfer from collegeville, mn, if i remember correctly he said something about being to big to play d-line at his former school :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 02:56:42 PMi think he is a transfer from collegeville, mn, if i remember correctly he said something about being to big to play d-line at his former school :D

Got a chuckle out of me for that one. Props :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2005, 03:24:57 PM
OneArmedScot - Thanks for the clarification on your prediction.  I get your point now but you know that us MWC fans get a little jumpy at times with the negative views of our conference! :P

Not much else to say at this point--we're less than 24 hours away from kickoff now.  Too many posts over the last couple days and not enough time for me to keep up with all of them so I won't even try to respond to all the stuff that I could have.  This will probably be my last post before heading up north later tonight.  Can't wait to tailgate with some old Fighting Scots (oh, and looking forward to meeting/tailgating with some Johnnies also I guess ;)) and then see a hell of a game!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:28:19 PM
Damnit,

i found a great picture on the johnnies website and i cant post it.  help me out......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 03:29:55 PM
Thays because they have blocked you from using it :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:28:19 PM
Damnit,

i found a great picture on the johnnies website and i cant post it.  help me out......

Cut and paste the URL on the post!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 03:32:42 PM
3.  St. Joes is admittedly small up front, when Big pushes on Small, small falls, period.

I think this is the way Scot thinks it will be!!!


http://www.aldotwaste.com/userfiles/DavidGoliath2.jpg

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 18, 2005, 03:33:35 PM
I would like to see it differently but here it is



Johnnies - 42

Scots      - 24



MC I'm guessing (and only guessing) won't be able to run for more than a hundo, and once they begin to pass every down the D-Line will pin their ears back and come.  Everyone else will be expecting pass and be ready for haffner.  Tanney will be under pressure all day.  In turn a long day for the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:35:22 PM
mighty and shoes,

i emailed you, i believe my work software is a lil old school so maybe you can post the picture of your great Dlineman for all to see ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 03:32:42 PM
3.  St. Joes is admittedly small up front, when Big pushes on Small, small falls, period.

I think this is the way Scot thinks it will be!!!


http://www.aldotwaste.com/userfiles/DavidGoliath2.jpg



what u dont see the .45 he's packing do you?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: ScoutTeamHero on November 18, 2005, 03:33:35 PM
I would like to see it differently but here it is



Johnnies - 42

Scots      - 24



MC I'm guessing (and only guessing) won't be able to run for more than a hundo, and once they begin to pass every down the D-Line will pin their ears back and come.  Everyone else will be expecting pass and be ready for haffner.  Tanney will be under pressure all day.  In turn a long day for the MWC.

The first + I've given to a MON poster this week....There are some sensible people out there!!!! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 03:39:05 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 03:32:42 PM
3.  St. Joes is admittedly small up front, when Big pushes on Small, small falls, period.

I think this is the way Scot thinks it will be!!!


http://www.aldotwaste.com/userfiles/DavidGoliath2.jpg



what u dont see the .45 he's packing do you?

.45, is that the % chance MON has of winning??     ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:45:16 PM
http://www.csbsju.edu/clubsports/12.jpg

this must be the no pads, no hitting practice..... :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 18, 2005, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:45:16 PM
http://www.csbsju.edu/clubsports/12.jpg

this must be the no pads, no hitting practice..... :-*
Sorry OFS, wrong college.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 03:59:55 PM
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=4063&more=1

johnnies, is that you? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 04:04:30 PM
Standing? Yup.

(C'mon man. You gotta stop walking into these.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 04:11:30 PM
thanks, for the help shoes.  i will give my own pats on the back.  this must be your terrifying domino.  ill have to admit, he does look menacing.....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 04:20:40 PM
That massive o-line SJU has been telling us about...

http://www.pbase.com/rodenhiser/image/36879510
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 04:21:37 PM
score two for the scotties!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 04:22:58 PM
Who said SJU had a massive o-line.  I believe I said they weren't big.

Scottie-dumber than a box of rocks!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2005, 04:35:42 PM
Well, on that note...since the SJU folks don't want me in this site, I will quote the immortal Billy Madison.  "Talky talky.  No more talky."

Enjoy the game Duffman.  Don't fall in any wells.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 18, 2005, 04:40:50 PM
Enjoy the loss, Mr. Sensitive.  Have a box of kleenex ready.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 04:54:33 PM
we will be just fine ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 05:10:36 PM
here's my vision of the SJU mc game... hint the big guy is fron SJU

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Buckman on November 18, 2005, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2005, 04:20:40 PM
That massive o-line SJU has been telling us about...

http://www.pbase.com/rodenhiser/image/36879510

That looks like the same crowd size as the Monmouth game pictures I've been seeing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 06:09:38 PM
last one before the day of reckoning....

GO SCOTS!!

Beware the Scots Nation!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 18, 2005, 06:10:52 PM
Catch you tomorrow, OFS. I'm out. I hope you're as gracious in defeat as I am in victory... though I'm not sure that's saying much :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebread on November 18, 2005, 06:19:47 PM
Any idea how many chartered buses carrying Scots fans? Wondering what the visitor side will look like tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 18, 2005, 06:23:33 PM
I have a few questions for the karma fascists who have invaded our board.
Isn't it bad karma to dole out negative karma or to create false positive karma?
Wouldn't it also be bad karma to manipulate karma, i.e. the fable of the boy who injured a bird in order to be rewarded after he nursed it back to health?
With all the apparent bad karma generation by the Johns' faithful couldn't the result be an upset loss of their beloved team this weekend. ;D
Or would it result in an upset loss happening in another lifetime? :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebread on November 18, 2005, 06:35:51 PM
PapaSmurf, that is a well thought out and very deep question. My guess is it may result in a loss in another lifetime since there's no way in hell the Johnnies will lose tomorrow. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 18, 2005, 06:59:09 PM
papa smurf(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg305.imageshack.us%2Fimg305%2F5025%2Fbunny8kn.png&hash=68ab4b7bd86e0dc3de655aba86807b0e526f0b30)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 07:07:25 PM
SJU92,

I think it has something to do with hearing a tree falling in the woods or the sound one hand clapping makes... or something like that, I don't know
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 18, 2005, 07:10:02 PM
That sounds like a cheese head answer.... ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 18, 2005, 07:11:45 PM
Cheeseheads rule
all bow down to Saint Favre
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on November 18, 2005, 08:53:20 PM

MWC/Scots;  Welcome to the Valley of Death and the Gates of Hell.

May you enjoy your Saturday in Collegeville.

developing....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 18, 2005, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: DustySJU on November 18, 2005, 08:53:20 PM

MWC/Scots;  Welcome to the Valley of Death and the Gates of Hell.

May you enjoy your Saturday in Collegeville.

developing....

That is just one reason why I admire Dusty, he doesn't mix words 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2005, 10:33:09 AM
Does anyone know what time the webcast begins?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 19, 2005, 10:34:29 AM
Should be on about 11:30 or so for a noon kickoff, maybe even 11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2005, 11:43:07 AM
Thanks, K-rat. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 19, 2005, 11:54:51 AM
It's up and running now. Probably not a bad idea to log on now to beat the rush.

It usually gets to max capacity about 10 min before kickoff.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2005, 12:05:45 PM
I'm on... 

Go Scots!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 19, 2005, 02:17:05 PM
Score?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 19, 2005, 02:18:05 PM
27 -3 SJU
at the half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 19, 2005, 02:19:30 PM
Sounds about right
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 19, 2005, 02:21:28 PM
UWW 24 Central 7
00:30 left in 2nd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 19, 2005, 02:22:42 PM
So, UWW, SJU is round 2

I'm liking UWW to win it all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 19, 2005, 02:23:25 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 19, 2005, 02:22:42 PM
So, UWW, SJU is round 2

I'm liking UWW to win it all.

I like the way you think ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on November 19, 2005, 02:31:33 PM
78  Hey I just saw in your post script that WW was WIAC Chamions in a good number of years. Either you dropped a "P" or added an "N". I'm the self appointed spelling/grammer overlord. Since you're serving your country (Do you work with the "Ebony H2O people?) I'll just give you a nudge and not be an as%&*@e about it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on November 19, 2005, 02:34:20 PM
Quote from: retagent on November 19, 2005, 02:31:33 PM
78  Hey I just saw in your post script that WW was WIAC Chamions in a good number of years. Either you dropped a "P" or added an "N". I'm the self appointed spelling/grammer overlord. Since you're serving your country (Do you work with the "Ebony H2O people?) I'll just give you a nudge and not be an as%&*@e about it.

I'll have to change that... thanks.  No I dont work for Blackwater ( they die too much)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2005, 02:38:50 PM
Greg, did you play O-line?  If so, do you nave any eligibility left??? 

8 sacks for the Johnnies so far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 19, 2005, 02:44:33 PM
O-line and D-line are being dominated by the johnnies.

who the hell is mcnamara and when did he steal michael strahans body....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 19, 2005, 02:45:32 PM
Mcnamara is playing like he wants to be SJU's 3rd all american D-lineman!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2005, 02:51:34 PM
He's getting to Tanney faster than the SJU fans can destroy my karma!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on November 19, 2005, 02:53:56 PM
                                             VOTE ON THIS ONE!

      1.) Speed Kills

      2.) Big Beats Little

I think Monmouth must have decided to try and stop Good and Dumo, thinking Macnamara wouldn't hurt them. Bad Move.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 19, 2005, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 18, 2005, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 18, 2005, 12:33:55 PM
quote]

That, by far, is the most rediculous thing EVER said on ANY board.........
Quote

Why, you asked for an honest opinion and you got one.  I dont believe the Johnnies are national title caliber, I believe that they are good enough to be where they are, but have enought weaknesses to be shocked by MC.....

So there!!!!

Name 5 weaknesses you believe the Johnnies have..

Here is what I am gathering the 5 for MON are---

1.  NO playoff experience (Clemens Stadium)
2.  Suspect O line against a dominant D- line
3.  Have not seen the speed SJU will bring to the table
4.  May be forced to become 1 dimensional without being able to establish a running game.
5.  The film that MON has seen of SJU, last 2 games shows VERY little of the O.  The last 2 have been as vanilla as I have seen in years....

Call me Karnack!!!   ;D

Congrats on a good year MON, the people we met today, including the non-playoof roster players, we a great group!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 19, 2005, 03:45:22 PM
My new Monmouth friends:

Welcome to the best of the best. SNC heard all about the "small" players in year's past. Then Hood and McCambridge wiped their asses with us. Same like this Duno and MacNamara I suppose.

Anyways, nice season, and see you in DePere next season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 19, 2005, 03:45:35 PM
i hope the johnnies go all the way, it'll make this one sting a lil less.....

for those at the game, did we at least compete (outside of the score)?  in a 61 point loss did anyone at MC have a chance to impress upon johnnie nation.  

johnnies-good luck, and dominate the rest of the way!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BumFighter on November 19, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
sorry bout the ass-whooping.  welcome to collegeville.

i was worries as much as i was afyter stolaf scored theor fielgoal.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on November 19, 2005, 03:48:40 PM
OFS and Scottie. You are stand up guys to stick around after that game. Your QB was about 20 for 30 even with the pressure. Good Luck next year,
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: John Arps on November 19, 2005, 04:05:23 PM
for those at the game, did we at least compete (outside of the score)?  in a 61 point loss did anyone at MC have a chance to impress upon johnnie nation. 

OFS - are you dumb or something?  you lost 62-3.  How can you even consider yourself competitive.  Heck, when SNC lost 2 yrs ago we were more competitive in the game and SJU won it all that year.  Also, LFC's loss 3 years ago looks better than this.  I thought Monmouth would get beat but not this bad. 

Hope all the monmouth faithful are off there high now.  YOU'RE not as GOOD as you thought you were.  Welcome to the National Tournament. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 19, 2005, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: John Arps on November 19, 2005, 04:05:23 PM
for those at the game, did we at least compete (outside of the score)?  in a 61 point loss did anyone at MC have a chance to impress upon johnnie nation. 

OFS - are you dumb or something?  you lost 62-3.  How can you even consider yourself competitive.  Heck, when SNC lost 2 yrs ago we were more competitive in the game and SJU won it all that year.  Also, LFC's loss 3 years ago looks better than this.  I thought Monmouth would get beat but not this bad. 

Hope all the monmouth faithful are off there high now.  YOU'RE not as GOOD as you thought you were.  Welcome to the National Tournament. 



Three things....
1.  Players a lot more classy than SNC's 2 years ago.
2.  Players a lot more classy, save 1 misconduct, than SNC 2 years ago
3.  Obviously better than SNC this year!!!

Johnnie out.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on November 19, 2005, 05:06:01 PM
Any word on Monmouth's injured player?  SJU lost a couple of guys for the rest of the season it sounds like, but the way that Monmouth guy was flailing his limbs on the ground, I am really worried about him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on November 19, 2005, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: retiredoldrat on November 19, 2005, 05:07:47 PM
AJ,

They said on the radio broadcast he had a "severe concussion."  He was able to move everything.  Sounds like he's going to be hurting for a while but hopefully will be fine.

That's hopefully good news.  You just don't know when that stuff happens.  I did see Dr. M come out of the rescue squad vehicle before the ambulance arrived, so I figured he must be stable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 19, 2005, 05:24:08 PM
In terms of good play, I thought Tanney did very well.  He remained calm and put up pretty good numbers under incredible pressure.  I also notice that the defense kept playing hard - a couple solid hits - when it didn't matter anymore.  There are only a few programs that are able to achieve at the highest level, and if Monmouth decide to double their efforts they may make it.  A few guys had talent, now it's just down to practice and execution.

I hope the injured recover well.  Hopefully Good can play with a cast.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 19, 2005, 05:45:40 PM
From the MIAC board:


Quote from: Buffer65 on November 19, 2005, 05:38:53 PM
Good News from the hospital (Literally)  Good's wrist is not broken, just a sprain, he'll be a go for next week.  Sounds like the Monmoth kid is not in real good shape - keep him in your thoughts and prayers.


Johnnie nation will keep him in our thoughts and prayers. His name was Morrison, correct?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 19, 2005, 05:46:27 PM
On the MIAC board it has been posted that the injured Monnmouth player (I am sorry I don't know his name) is not doing so great.

Keep him in your prayers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sjusection105 on November 19, 2005, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 19, 2005, 03:45:35 PM
i hope the johnnies go all the way, it'll make this one sting a lil less.....

for those at the game, did we at least compete (outside of the score)?  in a 61 point loss did anyone at MC have a chance to impress upon johnnie nation.  

johnnies-good luck, and dominate the rest of the way!!!!
I don't want to come off as sounding "harsh" or being a jerk but the answer is no.
Speed kills & the Mon O & D line had none,SJU just did what they have done for years. Also the Mon. LBs had no chance of covering SJU RBs running pass patterns in the seam.
Other than the over thrown pass that was turned into a FG this was he St. Olaf game all over again  except for the color of uniforms.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sju kid2 on November 19, 2005, 06:44:07 PM
hey old fighting scot will you please admit to all us johnnies fans that have taken over your board that all ur top 6 reasons y "you will beat the johnnies" went totally opposite direction of ur theory ;D ;D ;)


GO JOHNNIES


                                                  MC       SJU
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............    44--3   36-287

Mitch Tanney 20-30-0-118   OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!OVERRATED!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: John Arps on November 19, 2005, 06:48:59 PM
Quote

Three things....
1.  Players a lot more classy than SNC's 2 years ago.
2.  Players a lot more classy, save 1 misconduct, than SNC 2 years ago
3.  Obviously better than SNC this year!!!

Johnnie out.....
Quote

Ritz - pretty sure the comment had nothing to do with class.  Did one or two people make the SNC program look less classy - Yes, but that did not represent the whole Team.  Speaking of class, I remember a couple of SJU players, who will remain namelss, that didn't get off the bench and shake hands at the end of the game.  Regard of one or two players not being classy, that's pretty classless on SJU's part.   Enough said on that subject.  OFS asked if monmouth was competitive and I simply responded, nothing wrong with that.  They did beat us this year, and I'll give you that, congrats to them.  

Prediction next week:

UWW 50
SJU 10

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 19, 2005, 06:53:54 PM
Just got home from the game....Thought I was having flashbacks from the St. Olaf game.  Anyways, your players are first class, took an ass kickin' well(not being a smart ass, they showed they could loose without gettin cheap) and your fans are also great and also now believers. Thanks for playing and good luck next yr. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on November 19, 2005, 07:06:02 PM
Arps - Think about it. Only one team scored more than 16 points in a game all season, and that was an anomaly with three blocked punts that turned intp TD's late. Those were the only blocked punts all season. The least number of points put up by SJU all year was 21 against another first round winner - Concordia. 50 - 10? You must be on peyote. Also think how much worse that makes Monmouth look.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 19, 2005, 08:02:41 PM
Any more info on the guy that was carted off?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 19, 2005, 08:15:15 PM
Nice to meet some Monmouth folks, even though the Roush wasn't there.  I hope that your injured player is okay.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr.Shoes on November 19, 2005, 08:15:51 PM
Scots, ya'll have some awesome fans. I was VERY impressed with the number of people who made the trip and I had a great time talking with those MC fans that I met at the tailgate. You were supportive of your team and loud the whole time, even as things got completely out of control for your boys. I feel bad for the way you had to exit your first playoff appearance (right?), but you happened to run into an SJU team that's been getting better all season long and is really clicking right now. I hope you enjoyed the trip to Collegeville nonetheless and that we were gracious hosts. It was fun to have you. That science center parking lot was HOPPING. I wish more teams came with fans who were that enthusiastic. Oh, and kickass bagpiping. That guy was awfully good. Granted, I know nothing about bagpiping, but it sure sounded impressive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 19, 2005, 08:20:26 PM
Arps, I played from '99 to '02 and if anyone didn't shake hands it was because you guys were classless rejects.  SNC sucks now and always has.  Maybe you can try to win your conference next year and try to prove that you're worthy of NCAA playoffs, but I doubt you will.  I'd rather play MC anyday.  They conducted themselves with class and deserve credit for that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 19, 2005, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 19, 2005, 08:20:26 PM
Arps, I played from '99 to '02 and if anyone didn't shake hands it was because you guys were classless rejects.  SNC sucks now and always has.  Maybe you can try to win your conference next year and try to prove that you're worthy of NCAA playoffs, but I doubt you will.  I'd rather play MC anyday.  They conducted themselves with class and deserve credit for that.

You're a twat, just like the rest of your friends. You're **** doesn't stink, right?

Get over yourself. You were the biggst bunch of pricks we ever played against, but we're severely outnumbered on this site, so we look bad. Have your fun, and good luck getting tanned next week.

You just want teams to lose with class. What? We didn't have class? We respected you, but now I know you were on the field at the same time as me, and you talk this gibberish, you, my friend, have no class.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 19, 2005, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 19, 2005, 08:37:03 PM
You're a twat, just like the rest of your friends. You're **** doesn't stink, right?

Get over yourself. You were the biggst bunch of pricks we ever played against, but we're severely outnumbered on this site, so we look bad. Have your fun, and good luck getting tanned next week.

You just want teams to lose with class. What? We didn't have class? We respected you, but now I know you were on the field at the same time as me, and you talk this gibberish, you, my friend, have no class.


Greg,
A guy from a school who's TE flips off the home sidelines saying someone else has no class... that's gonna hold a lot of water.

You don't look bad because you're outnumbered on the site, you look bad because of how you portrayed yourselves on the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: War Pig on November 19, 2005, 09:48:36 PM
Class or no class, the Midwest Conference has once again proven that they are way behind the rest of DIII football.  If any MWC administrators read this board I hope you're ashamed of the stupid rules that you limit your conference with.  You deserve to get smoked in the playoffs every year. 

I congratulate the players and coaches of Monmouth College on a great season.  It is too bad that you have to play in league that supports mediocrity! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TRU on November 19, 2005, 09:53:21 PM
KR

Could not agree more ----that SNC team was lacking in many things and class was one of them. As I remember most of the other MWC posters that year also said the same thing about SNC- not too many friends in their own conference as I recall.  Didn't Pat have to close down the MWC site for a while? ???


Good game today SJU today and thanks Monmouth hope to see you again next year-- stick it too SNC again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2005, 10:03:11 PM
I'm happy to read that, other than the outcome, the MC team and fans represented themselves well.  Obviously, SJU was on a much higher level today.  Like other first time participants (with harsh exits) I trust that "Camp Monmouth" will build on this experience for future playoff appearances.   As far as I'm concerned, this was a proud "first step" for the team.  The Scots will be back.

If anyone gets any updates on Morrison, please share.

"Job Well Done Monmouth Football in 2005!"
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Title: Morrison's Condition
Post by: MWCSID2005 on November 19, 2005, 10:13:53 PM
Just to quell any rumors or otherwise, word from the Monmouth Sports Information Office is that Morrison is ok and suffered a bad stinger.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on November 19, 2005, 10:16:04 PM
Glad to hear that and hope that's all that it was.  ;DThat was not a good site.....could have heard a pin drop
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: farley101 on November 19, 2005, 10:17:10 PM
Yeah i don't think I've ever been in Clemens at a game when it was that quiet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 19, 2005, 10:33:06 PM
You could've heard a pin drop there today, it was absolutely silent in Clemens Stadium for about 10 minutes while they tended to the Monmouth player. I heard that it was a concussion and not a spinal injury, like first thought. Talking to a Monmouth fan who talked like he had good info, he said it sounded like the kid was doing OK.
The game... Monmouth came out firing and their QB is a stud. Did great under pressure, but  the pressure eventually overwhelmed him. Great to meet all of the Monmouth fans today and the bagpipes were awesome! Big hole to fill after Tanney graduates, but hopefully we'll meet again.
Mathiason is out, was having surgery before the game was even over on a broken tibia I think. Zahaur and Good's parents seem to think their kids will be OK. Lot of kids banged up today. Will be tough against UWW next week. Hopefully everyone can get healthy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 19, 2005, 11:20:35 PM
Chalk one up for Pawlick.  You got me good.  Point proven.  You're everything the MC fans said and more.

I'm done with the MWC board.  Bring on the WIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: John Arps on November 19, 2005, 11:46:46 PM
All you SJU fans just think your s*** doesn't stink it kills me.  You can go ahead and say the whole SNC team that was classless, that's fine, not going to hurt us any.  ONE, maybe I should repeat that, ONE person acted inappropriately, doesn't mean the rest of the team acted or treated oppenents the same way. 

I feel like SJU fans are the "pot calling the kettle black".  I made 2 trips to Clemens while I was there and SJU fans are just as classless.  The s*** that I heard from fans during the game was unbelievable.  I still stand by my prior post that even if you thought SNC was classless that year because of ONE player, that's fine, but SJU players should still shake hands with the oppenent after the game.  I can think of two games SNC should never shave shaken the hand of the oppenents for cheaps shots and fights, but we still had the class after the game to shake hands. 

The only reason anyone had a problem with us in prior years is cause we put so many points on the board against everyone we played.  If that is classless, fine.  I think the picture posted by SJU92#57 shows how classless SJU fans are.  Not cool to make fun of mentally retarded people.  That's low by itself.  I can completely understand why people in Minnesota hate SJU people, you look down upon everyone else as second class people. 

I must be on the reefer.  UWW 50 SJU 10

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 20, 2005, 12:11:56 AM
Quote from: John Arps on November 19, 2005, 11:46:46 PM
ONE, maybe I should repeat that, ONE person acted inappropriately, doesn't mean the rest of the team acted or treated oppenents the same way. 
I'll try not to judge your conference or team by your stupid posts. You're an idiot!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 20, 2005, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: John Arps on November 19, 2005, 11:46:46 PM
The only reason anyone had a problem with us in prior years is cause we put so many points on the board against everyone we played.

Everyone?

You've never given us that reason to have a problem with you. My problem with SNC was Seth flipping off our sidelines multiple times, multiple late hits and cheap shots when the game wasn't even close, and this attitude that winning the MWC year after year entitles SNC to some sort of national respect.

You get national respect by winning in the playoffs, not by winning your conference.

I have nothing but respect for the Monmouth fans on this board, the ones that were at the game and especially for their coach and players. They were an all around class act and despite being over-matched, played/cheered hard and left their best effort on the field in the spirit of the game.

When SNC can live up to those standards, then I will respect them as I do Monmouth.


As far as the picture, I agree that it was classless, if you would have read the two posts after it, 2 SJU fans including myself were the first to say so. Don't get all bent out of shape by SJU fans judging SNC based on Seth's actions (apparently you missed the others) when you're going to go hypocrite and make the same judgements based on one SJU poster.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnniebackup67 on November 20, 2005, 12:57:08 AM
hey Kilted-  i dropped a deuce and it smells like roses, how about you?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 20, 2005, 01:10:29 AM
For what it's wirth,
Mine is more of a petunia and lilac hybrid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 20, 2005, 01:14:28 AM
You can have THAT conversation on your own board...   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 20, 2005, 01:37:05 AM
I think for many of us the problems with SNC was the coaches.  Seth was not pulled for even one play after the bird flip.  Your coach's halftime speech, which I will not detail, was classless.  The multiple PF's are a reflection of the coaching staff.

p.s.  Since I graduated from St. John's I don't **** any more.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnnie_esq on November 20, 2005, 08:49:14 AM
I'm not even going to bother with SNC and their actions and reputation.

To the Monmouth contingent, congratulations on a ground-breaking season and best wishes in the future.  I have nothing but respect for your program and your enthusiastic fans, who came out in force to support your team.  I hope you enjoyed Collegeville, save the game score, because that atmosphere is what D3 is all about-- enjoying the experience--and the Scots did that well.

You were fine representatives of the MWC-- you just ran into a good team yesterday.  Tanney is a stud-- no question about that, and his ability to scramble scared the hell out of me.  I'm just glad that we ended up keeping him behind the line more times than in front of it.

Prayers to your injured player, and a speedy and whole recovery.

Love to see you in Collegeville and representing the MWC again next year.  Go Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 20, 2005, 12:07:04 PM
I just want to congratulate the Fighting Scots on a season that no one can take from them!!  You did what non of us previous Scots could do, and I'm glad you reached the goal that was set before you.  You have nothing to be ashamed about.  I hope that you have learned from the classes before you to always, no matter what, keep your heads high!!

Cookoff - I was told that the best hamburgers were cooked by the SJU fans at the tailgating.  WRONG!!!  I had a cheeseburger from the SJU tailgating, which I will say was delicious, but then I had a cheeseburger from Mr. Blaesing!!!

Collegeville was a nice place.  SJU fans you treated us well on most occasions.  Tailgating was a blast, except your security boys.....come on, you are a wet campus and they still dont let you walk around with beer?  I thought they were just going to card people, which I believe is what they should have done, but thats me.

The one thing that showed the class of the SJU students, was when one of our players took a knee to the back of his head and went into convoltions.  A fan decided to talk **** while he was laying there knocked out.  I dont think it was any of the SJU posters, but you have to agree with me when that happened.  As former football players, it is called respect! 

I want to wish D-Mo a fast and healthy recovery from the hit he took Saturday.

It was nice meeting the fellow posters, and I'm sorry I didnt bring the ROUSH!!!

SJU you have a very nice team.  Your D-line is amazing.  I wish you the best of luck on your way to where ever your players take you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncla42 on November 20, 2005, 02:09:16 PM
Very few thing will cause me to post I am more of an observer of the board but I must say something even if it will be drowned out by all the SJU posts.  I just feel very disrespected as a SNC football play 2000-2003 and playing in both St. John's games.
First of all there have been refference to the snc program's classlessness and unpopularity.   St. Johns hates us because of one talented but young player who lost his head and flipped off the crowd (not bench)  which is not exceptable.  Several Senior including myself said something to him after that.  Get over it SJU is was a long time ago plus you won and evenually became national champs.  Dont get me wrong i hated it too but people make mistakes move on.  I have moved on that Blake and several others never shook my hand after my last game of my career.  I think any football player that has ever made it through all you must go through to be a football player at the college level for 4yrs deserves that.  I also recall mention of cheap shots.  I was on the field for both games and did not see any cheap shot in fact I just recently watched my copy of the tapes of the game and there wasn't anything to cry over.  Both teams playing very hard and hitting hard to the whistle.a
By the way one of the SJU posters mentioned that some of the Monmouth fans didn't like us either.  The reason the conference hates us is because we have been champ for so long (till this year, Congrats Scotts).  It is very lonely at the top.  By the way SJU I have talked to the St Thomas (a team I respect a ton) and they dont like you either WOW what a revolation.
One last comment, The MWC is not the strongest conference that is true.  One reason would be the restrictions that are placed on us by the conference.  Also many of our teams are competing with the WIAC for recruits.  WIAC is not restricted and has larger school.  Not excuses just facts.  I would just like a little respect for how far the conference has come (largely to do with SNC).  SNC has never been blown out of a playoff game.  We always are very competative.  Even against SJU.  I believe our playoff proformance is impressive since we always have been bracketed against big name school on the road (except simpson which we beat).  We took Augustana to the wire in 1999, 2000 were up at half against #4 Central, the next year gave SJU a scare.  In 2003 we won a the first row game and then ran into the National champ and still did get blown out.  If you look at that game the first half we played the pretty tough and shut down alot of their bread and butter but SJU has too much fire power and had some other thing up there sleeves to open us up.  hey all the respect in the world for that.  that was a great team.  I just dont understand why we don't deserve respect.  Even last year we had LaCrosse dead but gave it back to them.  None of the teams we lost to are bad teams.  All have fantastic traditions and are always a threat to go deep into the playoffs.  Bottom line SJU GET OFF OUR BOARD if you wont even respect that.

Monmouth fans one word of advice.  Dont expect national respect untill a MWC team goes deep into the playoffs.  We will not get seated well nor will we be ranked all that high.  just learn to live with it.  SNC did and we are slowly getting more respect I believe.

Sorry about the novel fellas.  I am going to try and make it to the SJU and UWW game seeing that it is 40 mins away from were i live.  Good luck SJU, UWW is stacked
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncla42 on November 20, 2005, 02:10:13 PM
Very few thing will cause me to post I am more of an observer of the board but I must say something even if it will be drowned out by all the SJU posts.  I just feel very disrespected as a SNC football play 2000-2003 and playing in both St. John's games.
First of all there have been refference to the snc program's classlessness and unpopularity.   St. Johns hates us because of one talented but young player who lost his head and flipped off the crowd (not bench)  which is not exceptable.  Several Senior including myself said something to him after that.  Get over it SJU is was a long time ago plus you won and evenually became national champs.  Dont get me wrong i hated it too but people make mistakes move on.  I have moved on that Blake and several others never shook my hand after my last game of my career.  I think any football player that has ever made it through all you must go through to be a football player at the college level for 4yrs deserves that.  I also recall mention of cheap shots.  I was on the field for both games and did not see any cheap shot in fact I just recently watched my copy of the tapes of the game and there wasn't anything to cry over.  Both teams playing very hard and hitting hard to the whistle.a
By the way one of the SJU posters mentioned that some of the Monmouth fans didn't like us either.  The reason the conference hates us is because we have been champ for so long (till this year, Congrats Scotts).  It is very lonely at the top.  By the way SJU I have talked to the St Thomas (a team I respect a ton) and they dont like you either WOW what a revolation.
One last comment, The MWC is not the strongest conference that is true.  One reason would be the restrictions that are placed on us by the conference.  Also many of our teams are competing with the WIAC for recruits.  WIAC is not restricted and has larger school.  Not excuses just facts.  I would just like a little respect for how far the conference has come (largely to do with SNC).  SNC has never been blown out of a playoff game.  We always are very competative.  Even against SJU.  I believe our playoff proformance is impressive since we always have been bracketed against big name school on the road (except simpson which we beat).  We took Augustana to the wire in 1999, 2000 were up at half against #4 Central, the next year gave SJU a scare.  In 2003 we won a the first row game and then ran into the National champ and still did get blown out.  If you look at that game the first half we played the pretty tough and shut down alot of their bread and butter but SJU has too much fire power and had some other thing up there sleeves to open us up.  hey all the respect in the world for that.  that was a great team.  I just dont understand why we don't deserve respect.  Even last year we had LaCrosse dead but gave it back to them.  None of the teams we lost to are bad teams.  All have fantastic traditions and are always a threat to go deep into the playoffs.  Bottom line SJU GET OFF OUR BOARD if you wont even respect that.

Monmouth fans one word of advice.  Dont expect national respect untill a MWC team goes deep into the playoffs.  We will not get seated well nor will we be ranked all that high.  just learn to live with it.  SNC did and we are slowly getting more respect I believe.

Sorry about the novel fellas.  I am going to try and make it to the SJU and UWW game seeing that it is 40 mins away from were i live.  Good luck SJU, UWW is stacked
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncla42 on November 20, 2005, 02:11:43 PM
oops i posted twice sorry

This is why i dont post alot
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnnie_esq on November 20, 2005, 02:29:06 PM
Snydz- in regard the Monmouth player down and the SJU student section, and though I am not a SJU student, from my vantage point (end zone Palaestra side), I couldn't see the tackle nor the ensuing event-- the O-line was blocking my perspective, and it wasn't clear to me why it was taking so long for the play to wrap up.  If there were SJU students wisecracking about an injury, I would agree-- totally unacceptable and uncalled for-- but it may have just been somebody who didn't see what happened, as it was for me.  When the EMTs ran toward the Palaestra to get a backboard, I finally figured it out. Regardless, prayers in the hopes for a quick recovery.  Any new updates as to his condition?




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on November 20, 2005, 03:10:53 PM

Snydz;  In all my years of competion I don't think I gave it two thoughts whether or not someone shook my hand or not.  Given the fact you are still brooding about an incident 2 years ago tells me someting....

Why would you base your experience, your desire or your state of satisfaction on someone else.  It's personal development 101.

Done.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on November 20, 2005, 03:13:03 PM

Monmouth;  It was a pleasure to meet you yesterday.  Your fans, your celebration of life and overall attitude was tops!  You brought it all, including the piper.  Congratulations on a successful season!

developing....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on November 20, 2005, 03:22:20 PM
Well concerning that D-MO (injured player) he was released and taken home.  He had an acute concussion.  He is doing well and is being woke up once every hour.  That is all I have heard.  My prayers are with him and his family.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 20, 2005, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: DustySJU on November 20, 2005, 03:10:53 PM

Snydz;  In all my years of competion I don't think I gave it two thoughts whether or not someone shook my hand or not.  Given the fact you are still brooding about an incident 2 years ago tells me someting....

Why would you base your experience, your desire or your state of satisfaction on someone else.  It's personal development 101.

Done.

PLease inform me on what happened 2 years ago...and the fact that you didnt care if someone shook your hand or not just says one thing to me  you=selfish
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on November 20, 2005, 03:59:31 PM
Glad to hear Morrison was released and headed home -- as tough as it is to travel with something like that. Here's hoping he's back to normal soon. As rough as it is to see something like that (and I've seen all too many), it was rough to hear on the radio as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on November 20, 2005, 05:17:03 PM
Quote from: Jester76 on November 20, 2005, 03:22:20 PM
Well concerning that D-MO (injured player) he was released and taken home. 

That's great news!  Good luck to the Fighting Scots next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ruggerrat on November 20, 2005, 07:22:44 PM
Ditto that AJ, good news for the Scots contingent... well played this year Monmouth, good luck with next year as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: War Pig on November 20, 2005, 08:57:32 PM
I hear you loud and clear Dusty SJU.  Who cares about shaking hands after the game.  If you want to congratulate some guys from the other team afte the game that is fine.  If you don't, it's no big deal.  If you want to shake each and every gusy hand, then knock yourself out.  Any pansy that is worried about shaking hands after the game shouldn't be in the game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 21, 2005, 12:54:58 AM
Just wanted to throw in a few final words on the Monmouth - St. John's game from this weekend.  Pretty much agree with everything that Snydz said in his post from Sunday 12:07 pm.  He still should've brought the Roush though, ha! :D

Congrats to the Scots on this season and finally knocking down the door to the playoffs.  All of us alums are proud of all of you guys!  Get well D-MO!

Collegeville was about what I expected; a great atmosphere for a college football game and plenty of good people hanging out at the tailgates.  It was nice to meet and talk with some of you fellow posters.  Overall (in my opinion), a very classy program and the same with the fans except for the one student who decided to yell at an MC player while he was lying on the ground going into convulsions (sp?).  Good luck the rest of the way in the playoffs--like OFS said, you guys keep winning and it takes some of the sting out of a loss like that. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D-Rock2400 on November 21, 2005, 03:41:24 AM
This is a young Monmouth College fighting scot freshman here. Just adding a few things. The Johnnies Proved that they were way better than we expected by dominating us. Their speed was unmatchable, watching film even worried me. I wish them luck with the rest of the playoffs. Oh, and another thing, Mitch Tanney is not overrated at all, you must see the man play more than one game to understand his talent. Its sad we had our season end so abruptly. And yes this whole season we were taught to play with class. Hope you get better D-MO.  I am open to any questions, just no pricks. - Young Scot
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 21, 2005, 09:28:16 AM
Mr Rock,

You might want to consult your team captain, probably Mr. Tanney or Mr. Zigler before posting on here.  I am guessing your team has a policy about guys who are currently playing, coming on here and posting messages.  Perhaps Monmouth doesn't, or perhaps you didn't get the memo.  I am guessing, only guessing, Mr. Tanney doesn't need his freshman o-lineman stroking his ego on the net.  Just a thought, perhaps I'm wrong.

I know that I for one am grateful the freshman o-lineman from Monmouth is open for questions, regarding what, I am not sure.  If I think of anything, I'll get back to you.  I also know that if I was an upperclassman and some freshman was making statements like "watching film even worried me" I would be looking for soap and a sock.

Is this a press conference?

Well done Gomer!

Respectfully,

A Prick
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: xsnd47 on November 21, 2005, 09:32:55 AM
My apologies everyone.  I know I'm supposed to be retired, but he just set it up so nicely.

Nice season Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 21, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
its basketball season....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on November 21, 2005, 11:34:33 AM
D-Rock2400,

I don't know if you team says anything, but it is comon sense that you don't post before your career is over.  I bet, more hope, that your coach has some words for you.  If not he better get that in check.

Old fighting scot, you bet!!!  Basketball is in full swing!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on November 21, 2005, 02:05:36 PM
Scots, sound like a great effort against a far better team but.....
I hope that everyone that roots for a MWC football team contacts the A.D. & President at their school and INSIST on a few changes.  Why should the MWC year after year put up with age old methods of running a D3 football program?  If you want more alums to support their school, give more contributions, then LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD! There is a direct correlation with money given to a school and a successful athletic program.  We all want to be proud of our schools on and off the field.  How much is all the free press in the local/regional sport pages when the name of your school is associated with a winning?!?
1. Off campus recruiting... the coaches need to develop realationships (face to face) with the High School coaches by visits.  They also need to visit the games, scout the players and visit the players on their turf.
2. Spring Ball.... Can someone give me one logical reason that this does not happen?
3. More out of conference games with contenders no more Macalester's, Blackburn's, etc.
4. Saturday Night Games (get some lights!)
5. Double headers with local high school teams or Pop Warner teams to showcase others to your programs....

It get old to get beat up, year after year like a rented mule, make some changes, give all of us a little hope, take pride in your conference or just get rid of football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 21, 2005, 02:36:11 PM
Quote from: ICBlue on November 21, 2005, 02:05:36 PM
5. Double headers with local high school teams or Pop Warner teams to showcase others to your programs....

Nice points, but this one stuck out. My friend, this is college football, not semi-pro ball. Maybe you have some lavish idea in mind that I just don't get. Who knows.

Judging by the fan base of most of the schools in this conference, the stadiums would damn near clear out after the high school game. That would look real good.

Not one of your best efforts with point No. 5.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D-Rock2400 on November 21, 2005, 04:03:20 PM
My appoliges, I shall retire.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2005, 04:22:51 PM
Don't retire...  Just hibernate for about three more years.  Good luck and work hard with your remaining seasons.  According to the roster, you look like the size of guy we need to slow down the Kevin Mcnamara's of the world.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TC on November 21, 2005, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 21, 2005, 04:22:51 PM
Don't retire...  Just hibernate for about three more years.  Good luck and work hard with your remaining seasons.  According to the roster, you look like the size of guy we need to slow down the Kevin Mcnamara's of the world.   

I don't think size was necessarily the problem...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 21, 2005, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 21, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
its basketball season....

Going to any games Smoov???

Quote from: TC on November 21, 2005, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 21, 2005, 04:22:51 PM
Don't retire...  Just hibernate for about three more years.  Good luck and work hard with your remaining seasons.  According to the roster, you look like the size of guy we need to slow down the Kevin Mcnamara's of the world.   

I don't think size was necessarily the problem...

Good luck on getting the t-shirt TC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 21, 2005, 10:06:49 PM
Well, you got the "prick" part right--that's for sure.  But the picture is of Walter Payton, so at least that's a good thing there! :P

I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I agree with Greg for once.  ICBlue had some good points in that post, but number 5 really wouldn't help out much.

D-Rock2400 - Like scottie said...don't retire, just hibernate for 3 more years, help the rest of the current Fighting Scots keep rolling, and then post with the rest of us once you're old and done with it all too! :D

TC - Buddy, I should've set up a t-shirt exchange with you a few days before the MC-SJU game.  Not the playoff shirt, but just a Fighting Scots t-shirt in exchange for a Johnnies t-shirt.  Oh well, maybe another season.

Old Fighting Scot is right.  It's now basketball season, which means time to pull double duty checking the hoops board along with this one too.  But that shouldn't be too tough since this board will really slow down now that the Johnnies have left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on November 22, 2005, 09:36:33 AM
I reference to my point #5, I may be searching but getting the local regional high school students on your campus couldn't hurt.  Since my point about the coaches can't visit their (H.S. players) games...then bring the freakin game to the coaches!
In addtion Pop Warner kids would think this was a big deal and many of these families would never step foot on most MWC football fields. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 21, 2005, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 21, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
its basketball season....

Going to any games Smoov???


We shall see.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 04:01:14 PM
Tanney finalist for D3 heisman...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 22, 2005, 04:03:26 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 04:01:14 PM
Tanney finalist for D3 heisman...
OFS-
It's the Gagliardi!
Still can't get yourself to say it?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 04:05:40 PM
i can say it just cant spell it, been eatin a lot of crow lately and my mouth is kinda dry...... :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 22, 2005, 05:12:24 PM
The real race in the Gagliardi voting is between Tanney and Harbaugh.  That is what seems interesting to me.  It would be sweet revenge if Tanney comes out ahead of Harbaugh.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 22, 2005, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 04:05:40 PM
i can say it just cant spell it, been eatin a lot of crow lately and my mouth is kinda dry...... :P
Just have a Hamm's and everything will be alright.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2005, 06:38:46 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on November 22, 2005, 05:12:24 PM
The real race in the Gagliardi voting is between Tanney and Harbaugh.  That is what seems interesting to me.  It would be sweet revenge if Tanney comes out ahead of Harbaugh.

Unless one of them wins the award, we won't find out who came out ahead. They don't release the full voting.

I agree somewhat about a sophomore being nominated, coocoo, but then again, he was named a finalist, so it can't be considered a waste.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 22, 2005, 08:59:49 PM
Season wrap-up :


This really is a two team conference right now - MC and SNC

No more asking about where the national rankings are in week 5.

62-3, 45-7 against national competition says something, albeit SJU and WW are #2 & #3

I almost think they should do away with this conferences automatic bid.... now saying that, when a team goes 8-2, 9-1, 10-0, of course they would be considered as SNC has gone 9-1 or 10-0 the last 6 yrs

There is a lot of work to do for every program

Carroll and possibly Lawrence now are looking to move up

Lake Forest, IC, and Grinnell have put themselves at the bottom as it looked like these teams didn't even want to play anymore

and where does Beloit go now with a new coach

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 22, 2005, 09:01:04 PM

Congrats to Tanney

Great Year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 23, 2005, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: finsleft on November 22, 2005, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 04:05:40 PM
i can say it just cant spell it, been eatin a lot of crow lately and my mouth is kinda dry...... :P
Just have a Hamm's and everything will be alright.

Screw the Hamms....give me a Bud Light!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 23, 2005, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 23, 2005, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: finsleft on November 22, 2005, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 04:05:40 PM
i can say it just cant spell it, been eatin a lot of crow lately and my mouth is kinda dry...... :P
Just have a Hamm's and everything will be alright.

Screw the Hamms....give me a Bud Light!!!

Snydz----

We thought you learned better than that on Saturday!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 23, 2005, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: ritz72 on November 23, 2005, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on November 23, 2005, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: finsleft on November 22, 2005, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 22, 2005, 04:05:40 PM
i can say it just cant spell it, been eatin a lot of crow lately and my mouth is kinda dry...... :P
Just have a Hamm's and everything will be alright.

Screw the Hamms....give me a Bud Light!!!

Snydz----

We thought you learned better than that on Saturday!!! ;D

Snydz.....learn something.....haha!! :D

As for me, I'll take either--whichever one you can get your hands on faster!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pfoot on November 27, 2005, 12:32:55 PM
After reading IC Blue's post, I could not agree more on some of his points. Why not have spring ball? Does anybody realize how far behind that puts this conference? I know the OAC does not off campus recruit, but circumstance are quite different between the OAC and MWC. Off campus recruiting would make a significant difference.

Finally one point ICBlue did not mention, it is scary how far behind the MWC is in the coaching ranks. Teams in the top DIII conferences have 5 or 6 fulltime coaches for football, many of which without any teaching or additional coaching responsibilities.  Mary Hardin Baylor I think has 7 coaches that do nothing but coach and recruit. 7 might be a bit extreme, but changes do have to be made!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 27, 2005, 01:04:51 PM
pfoot, welcome!  Long time no talk.  I agree with you on the coaching issue.  I think some MWC schools (well my beloved alma mater IC anyway) thought new facilities would be enough.  Kids want to know the coaches and if they can't visit you (or there aren't enough of them!) kids are going to go elsewhere to play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 28, 2005, 12:32:20 PM
damn, rough one for the johnnies, i truly do feel worse about how the scotties ended the season.  looks like we have a long way to go boys....

MC Football in 06!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 28, 2005, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 28, 2005, 12:32:20 PM
damn, rough one for the johnnies, i truly do feel worse about how the scotties ended the season.  looks like we have a long way to go boys....

MC Football in 06!!!

I agree, but I am still proud of the Fighting Scots on a tremendous season!!!  Congrat again fellas
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUtickles on November 28, 2005, 02:02:41 PM
Thanks a bunch Scots.  Losing 62-3 will really help the reputation of the conference.  I'm not saying SNC would've won but they would not have gotten embarassed like that.  Keep enjoying your 1 title because it's the only one you'll have for a long time. 62-3, are you serious??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 28, 2005, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: LUtickles on November 28, 2005, 02:02:41 PM
Thanks a bunch Scots.  Losing 62-3 will really help the reputation of the conference.  I'm not saying SNC would've won but they would not have gotten embarassed like that.  Keep enjoying your 1 title because it's the only one you'll have for a long time. 62-3, are you serious??

are you serious?  didnt we beat SNC, please refresh my memory.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 28, 2005, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 28, 2005, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: LUtickles on November 28, 2005, 02:02:41 PM
Thanks a bunch Scots.  Losing 62-3 will really help the reputation of the conference.  I'm not saying SNC would've won but they would not have gotten embarassed like that.  Keep enjoying your 1 title because it's the only one you'll have for a long time. 62-3, are you serious??

are you serious?  didnt we beat SNC, please refresh my memory.

Don't get comfortable. First time since what, 1996? Please refresh my memory.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 28, 2005, 04:07:57 PM
Good point Greg, since as we all know, Monmouth and SNC both have lots of players still around from the 1997-2002 teams.

Next years MC seniors are 1-2 against SNC, next years juniors are 1-1, and next years Sophs are 1-0... thats means a whole lot more than MC's record against SNC when Clinton was in office!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 28, 2005, 04:22:40 PM
Excellent insight. I guess It never crossed my mind that it's 2005, going on 2006, and those games were already played.

Hmm, imagine that. The past is the past, and it doesn't matter.  In that regard, a good chuink of SNC's team is what, 0-0 vs. you, so what does it matter now? You bring it up every two days to make sure no one forgets the lick.

Go home to your coon-skin hat and wood-burning furnace. Let Our Lady of the Blind fight their own battle.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on November 28, 2005, 04:36:57 PM
 Attention LFC #57 (2002).  Just wanted to say thanks for stopping over to see Nick in East Lansing.  Meant a lot to all of us.  I know you won't respond, but I know you read this board, so we all just wanted to say how great it was to see you this weekend.  You snuck out early, so me and Nick never had a chance to thank you and say good-bye.  Sooooooooo, 'til we meet again, stay safe.  The door is ALWAYS open either in East Lansing or in South Bend.  Let us know; we'll have a T-Bone and crab legs ready for ya.  Love ya tons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 28, 2005, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 28, 2005, 04:22:40 PM
Excellent insight. I guess It never crossed my mind that it's 2005, going on 2006, and those games were already played.

Hmm, imagine that. The past is the past, and it doesn't matter.  In that regard, a good chuink of SNC's team is what, 0-0 vs. you, so what does it matter now? You bring it up every two days to make sure no one forgets the lick.

Go home to your coon-skin hat and wood-burning furnace. Let Our Lady of the Blind fight their own battle.

Mines actually Beaver, and the new corn burning stove is excellent for these chilly November nights!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 28, 2005, 08:22:32 PM
I lost my good coon skin hat after my wood burning furnace tipped over and burned the whole cabin down.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 29, 2005, 12:22:47 AM
Coon skin? Beaver? You guys haven't worn a hat 'til you've worn a mink hat!
And who needs a stove when it's only 15 degrees?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 29, 2005, 09:53:14 AM
Quote from: LUtickles on November 28, 2005, 02:02:41 PM
Thanks a bunch Scots.  Losing 62-3 will really help the reputation of the conference.  I'm not saying SNC would've won but they would not have gotten embarassed like that.  Keep enjoying your 1 title because it's the only one you'll have for a long time. 62-3, are you serious??

WOW...all I can say is, your welcome???  Last time I checked I don't think LU came close to either SNC or MC.  The only sport LU has a remote chance is hoops, and well we all know what happened the LU was ranked 10th in the nation a few years ago and came to good ole MC.....if not I think this may refresh your memory....

http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/releases/2004/basketball-men.1-31-04.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 29, 2005, 11:11:44 AM
I found two key words in the first sentence of that story.

"reserve guard".
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 29, 2005, 11:44:35 AM
hey lay off the "reserve guards."  they are a vital component to every team ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 29, 2005, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 29, 2005, 11:11:44 AM
I found two key words in the first sentence of that story.

"reserve guard".

not my fault the coach didnt play me
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 29, 2005, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: Old Fighting Scot on November 29, 2005, 11:44:35 AM
hey lay off the "reserve guards."  they are a vital component to every team ;D

without reserve gaurds Smoov and myself wouldnt get the chance to go head to chacne.....BRING IT SMOOV!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 29, 2005, 12:34:46 PM
Isn't getting beat by clutch play from a reserve guard even more insulting/worse for a team than losing to a stellar performance from an all-american?


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 29, 2005, 12:35:05 PM
The early line:

Gags 51, Skirts 12

Any takers?

Anybody remember this shot in the dark prior to the Skirts loss? Not bad, wouldn't you say?

Even Monmouth must admit they see greatness living to the North.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 29, 2005, 08:21:22 PM
I, along with everyone else from Scots Nation or anywhere else in the MWC, can see a whole bunch of something living to the north...but it sure as hell isn't greatness.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUtickles on November 29, 2005, 11:45:36 PM
I didn't play at LU. I just like their o-line coach who is named Tickles.  I lived with Greg back in 2001-2002 if that is relevant to anyone from Monmouth.  62-3? Disgusting.  Look away, YOUR hideous!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old Fighting Scot on November 30, 2005, 11:08:33 AM
wait, i still dont get it.....

didnt MC beat EVERYONE IN THE MWC THIS YEAR!!!!!!?????!!!!!!! ???

MC CONFERENCE CHAMPS IN 05!!!!  REPEAT IN 06!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 30, 2005, 11:49:41 AM
Quote from: LUtickles on November 29, 2005, 11:45:36 PM
I didn't play at LU. I just like their o-line coach who is named Tickles.  I lived with Greg back in 2001-2002 if that is relevant to anyone from Monmouth.  62-3? Disgusting.  Look away, YOUR hideous!

Keep bringing up the past b/c obviously it makes you feel good......or Greg made you feel good ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 30, 2005, 11:59:26 AM
Reserve guard, it should make me feel good, since the teams I played on never lost to underachieving Skirts, even when you brought an "all-american" d-end with a bad attitude and strong fingers for pinching behinds, and tobias.

Yes, your boy, his name I forget, liked man ass apparently.

I'll say it again. I know very little about the Knights' recent successes and failures. Many of the folks I played with have now graduated.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on November 30, 2005, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on November 30, 2005, 11:59:26 AM
Reserve guard,

Your right reserve guard....but I dont think that SNC beat the 10th ranked team in the nation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on November 30, 2005, 12:41:46 PM
If not for the influx of kids declaring for the NBA Draft, SNC would be unstoppable in basketball, and could perhaps knock off a contender.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old_Style on December 01, 2005, 03:31:48 PM
I thought SNC had some NBA calibur talent last year. However,  I think that they all quit due to the volleyball bug.
MEACHFEST 2006!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on December 02, 2005, 05:03:47 PM
-49 on karma. What a joke!

Apparently, if you're not SJU, or SJU lovers (ahem, Monmouth), you get blasted with smite.

Patrick, I'm not going to get the boot, am I?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on December 02, 2005, 06:15:24 PM
Greg,

I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the turds you leave here every couple of days.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on December 02, 2005, 06:24:36 PM
Speaking of turds, thanks for getting back to me. You're a real treat to interact with.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 03, 2005, 01:08:36 AM
Here, Greg.  I'll get you back up to half a hundo. (click)  I won't be winning any elections anytime soon with my karma, either.  All will change on the hoops board, however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2005, 01:10:50 AM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on December 02, 2005, 05:03:47 PM
Apparently, if you're not SJU, or SJU lovers (ahem, Monmouth), you get blasted with smite.

Yeah -- I took three days off of the board myself (death in the family) and I came back 11 lower than I left.

Some packs of fans can't deal with people with contrary opinions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 03:38:56 PM
Pat, it's like ROR's ending remarks. Your entitled to you own set of opinions, but not you own set of facts. ;D Just kiddin'....everyone needs to lighten up a little, winter is just starting. I can't imagine what it will be like in Feb. ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 08, 2005, 08:45:03 PM
Wow, now this is some great conversation over the last week or so! :P  Damn I'm bored...thank god it's just a little bit longer until some Illini hoops comes on the TV to give me something to watch for awhile.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on December 09, 2005, 01:33:35 PM
Tanney got the shaft from d3.com. Any reasons for this from the Skirts faithful, or the voting cast?

Never saw him play, so can't make a judgement.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CleverHandle on December 09, 2005, 03:03:27 PM
Tanney's a Gagliardi Finalist, and he's somehow not good enough to make it on an All-Region Team behind 2 junior quarterbacks?

I'll give you Brett Elliot, but the other two picks?

What a joke.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on December 09, 2005, 05:30:25 PM
LAKE FOREST, IL – Lake Forest College Athletic Director Jackie Slaats officially announced Thursday (December 8) that Brent Becker, who had served as Interim Head Coach for the 2005 football season, will continue to lead the program as its Head Coach.
"We're very happy with the job Coach Becker did this past fall," Slaats explains. "He is a talented and proven young coach with a bright future and we're excited to have him here at Lake Forest College. We strongly believe in his ability to bring out the best in his players on the field, in the classroom, and in all areas of campus life."

Lake Forest posted a 4-6 overall record in 2005.

Looks like mediocre gets it done at LFC. BTW, is Jackie a woman?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SeoulGuy on December 09, 2005, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: CleverHandle on December 09, 2005, 03:03:27 PM
Tanney's a Gagliardi Finalist, and he's somehow not good enough to make it on an All-Region Team behind 2 junior quarterbacks?

I'll give you Brett Elliot, but the other two picks?

What a joke.



It just goes to prove that many season end awards are flawed.  These two awards are probably based upon different criteria, I would imagine.
BTW, how many times did you see the two junior QB's in action? I believe the voters have more substantial & un-biased knowledge of the situation and selected who they believe had the better performances this season.  I have no problem with the picks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2005, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: CleverHandle on December 09, 2005, 03:03:27 PM
Tanney's a Gagliardi Finalist, and he's somehow not good enough to make it on an All-Region Team behind 2 junior quarterbacks?

I'll give you Brett Elliot, but the other two picks?

What a joke.

One of the other picks is playing this weekend, and that joke of a quarterback helms a team that beat St. John's 34-7.

As for Andy Collins, I think I would take him over Tanney seven days a week and twice on Saturdays. But that was just my ballot. My vote was not a deciding factor on this point, it was already clear.

Remember what the Gagliardi Trophy stands for (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=154) -- it is NOT the Division III Heisman.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SeoulGuy on December 09, 2005, 09:52:43 PM
Amen to that!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 10, 2005, 01:15:59 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2005, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: CleverHandle on December 09, 2005, 03:03:27 PM
Tanney's a Gagliardi Finalist, and he's somehow not good enough to make it on an All-Region Team behind 2 junior quarterbacks?

I'll give you Brett Elliot, but the other two picks?

What a joke.

One of the other picks is playing this weekend, and that joke of a quarterback helms a team that beat St. John's 34-7.

As for Andy Collins, I think I would take him over Tanney seven days a week and twice on Saturdays. But that was just my ballot. My vote was not a deciding factor on this point, it was already clear.

Remember what the Gagliardi Trophy stands for (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=154) -- it is NOT the Division III Heisman.

Yeah, Pat, everyone here is already quite aware of the fact that you would take anyone from a team outside of the MWC over anyone that is on a team in the MWC every single day of the week--or every single day of your life for that matter.  You've made that point about a thousand times over and over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 01:22:51 AM
Apparently it was news to CleverHandle. But I only had one vote -- even if you threw mine out, the result would not have changed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on December 10, 2005, 12:31:37 PM
And if Pat's going to stiff MWC on the all-region team, there's no way anyone from the MWC will ever make the all-american team, (http://www.d3football.com/tow/02/allamericans.htm/) right?



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2005, 12:37:41 PM
Yeah, exactly. Deserving players from the MWC have gotten recognized on a regular basis. But Tanney wasn't one of the best three quarterbacks in the West. I would have voted for Whitworth's Joel Clark ahead of him as well, if I had to go that deep on a ballot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on December 10, 2005, 12:55:12 PM
I was thinking about Clark as well. He's one of the better QBs we've seen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 11, 2005, 01:23:58 AM
Quote from: Greg Pawlik on December 09, 2005, 05:30:25 PM
We strongly believe in his ability to bring out the best in his players on the field, in the classroom, and in all areas of campus life."

Lake Forest posted a 4-6 overall record in 2005.

Looks like mediocre gets it done at LFC. BTW, is Jackie a woman?

I believe Jackie is a woman and she coaches women's basketball as well.  I don't think she goes out of her way to help the football program there.

Maybe they're stressing, "in the classroom, and in all areas of campus life."

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on December 12, 2005, 12:50:43 PM
No Jackie doesn't help out the Football program. Though Coach Becker is the right man for the position he is not at fault for the dismal performane by this years team! Lack of leadership a running game and just overall talent is the cause of a 4-6 record. For his sake hopefully there is an in-flux of talent coming in this year as they lost thier entire offense in losing #2. These coaches are the same O and D coordinator as the prior year I can't see how to blame them alone. But I can't say things are looking up for the trees unless looking up is looking up at the scoreboard and the 148 points given up the last three weeks!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 12, 2005, 01:33:07 PM
Aztec Bowl for Casey Meehan, Congrats.   Nice honor, now with that being said should he be going as a product of the system or should some o-linemen because I think their 5th string running back could probably done the same things.  Maybe I'm out of line there but it's just a thought.  Their o-line is always the biggest and the best in this small-school d3 conference and I believe they usually have an o-lineman on an All-American team somewhere.  Sure he's had back to back 1000 yd seasons and average 20 tds per.  But is he one of the best in the nation ..... I don't know.  None the less, congrats on being selected.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 12, 2005, 01:46:52 PM
Since I mentioned o-line in the post before I will talk about it again.   Logan said LFC has a lack of a running game, which is true.  Once again I think it begins up front.  I thought they had a good running back, but I guess he moved on to bigger and better things.  I guess only Walter Payton and Barry Sanders can only run without an o-line. 

BTW Logan, where are you thinking of going to college, will it be:  William Penn, Grinnell, Hanover, UWP, or Wartburg.  I'm sure you have plenty of offers coming in already with the qb guru mentoring and grooming you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on December 12, 2005, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: ScoutTeamHero on December 12, 2005, 01:33:07 PM
Aztec Bowl for Casey Meehan, Congrats. Nice honor, now with that being said should he be going as a product of the system or should some o-linemen because I think their 5th string running back could probably done the same things. Maybe I'm out of line there but it's just a thought. Their o-line is always the biggest and the best in this small-school d3 conference and I believe they usually have an o-lineman on an All-American team somewhere. Sure he's had back to back 1000 yd seasons and average 20 tds per. But is he one of the best in the nation ..... I don't know. None the less, congrats on being selected.

There's no doubt he's one of the best. The O-line struggled early this season, with injuries and new starters in place. So, whetever he got, a lot was on his own. That being said, I don't believe Casey hit full stride until mid-year.
He's a hell of a player - Fast, quick feet, strong when he needs to be. I can't remember him coughing the ball up too much either.

I'd love to say he's a product of the good number of offensive lineman in De Pere the last six or seven years - I blocked for him on many occasion - but he really does deserve any recognition he gets. He showed up to school weighing about 140 (probably not, but he was light), and worked his way up. That's the sign, in my opinion, of a program-first kid, and that's Casey.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Snydz822121 on December 12, 2005, 02:50:46 PM
Today is my birthday!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Old_Style on December 12, 2005, 03:48:42 PM
Congrats to Meehan...I, like Pawlik, blocked for Casey for a few years around the MWC circuit. Casey is a very tough guy and a tough runner. He's from Rockbridge, IL. Other than Casey, the town is known for their pork chop and steak sandwiches(THANKS, Mr. Meehan). Pawlik is right about Casey showing up in De Pere at around 140. He worked too hard to have anyone question or judge his talents, abilities, or accomplishments. STH keep your comments on the practice field when you have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on December 12, 2005, 03:53:32 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on December 12, 2005, 02:50:46 PM
Today is my birthday!!!

Happy birthday, Snydz! Enjoy your birthday karma.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 12, 2005, 04:19:31 PM
Quote from: Old_Style on December 12, 2005, 03:48:42 PM
He worked too hard to have anyone question or judge his talents, abilities, or accomplishments. STH keep your comments on the practice field when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Old Style give me a break.  I'm glad he's your friend and he's from Rockbridge, but I was only asking if some o-linemen should get some love too.  Maybe they should rename the town Meehan, Ill.  Now, I'm pretty sure he's a good player because you just don't put numbers up like that if your not.  I believe he was and will be an All-American.  Just saying all these numbers look the same except yards per game.  But then again all the guys on this list are All-Americans except for Aljay and Alec.

Casey Meehan     10  186 1165   57 1108   6.0  17   57 110.8

Casey Meehan     11  222 1360   74 1286   5.8  20   51 116.9

Aljay Wren            10  219 1355   50 1305   6.0  14  68 130.5

Alec Getschow        9  140  649   41  608   4.3  11   31   67.6
Aljay Wren              9  110  488   28  460   4.2   9    22   51.1

J.Augustynowicz    9  217 1304   29 1275   5.9  14   54 141.7

Matt O'Grady        10  208 1507   44 1463   7.0  18   75 146.3 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 12, 2005, 04:20:51 PM
BTW..... I always loved practice
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 12, 2005, 04:27:12 PM
And some more news Beloit hired Chris Brann who was the head coach from Carleton College as the new head coach.

Record as head coach
2001: (0-10, 0-9 MIAC)
2002: (0-10, 0-8 MIAC)
2003: (3-7, 1-7 MIAC)
2004: (2-8, 1-7 MIAC)
2005: (4-6, 2-6 MIAC)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2005, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: Snydz822121 on December 12, 2005, 02:50:46 PM
Today is my birthday!!!

Same thing I said on the basketball board...

Snydz - Happy birthday buddy!

Now someone with the ability to do so needs to hit Snydz with a negative karma b-day present!  Ha! :D

Also, congrats to the players who did make it onto the all-west region teams last week.  And congrats to Meehan on his Aztec Bowl selection.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on December 13, 2005, 12:23:47 AM
Great sign Bucs 9 wins in five seasons for Brann! I heard a coach Joe Schlagar was in the mix any word on where he may be headed?  Like you Feldhacker  I loved practice too!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 02:12:12 AM
Took a team that lost 30 in a row and made them competitive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on December 13, 2005, 08:14:11 AM
I know the program is in much better shape than when he got there but PC do you think he is a good fit and what is he going to run on O? Also PC how do they pick the rosters for the Aztec Bowl?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on December 13, 2005, 12:04:03 PM
Pat is right (geez Pat, it hurts to say that :D ), Brann did yeoman's work bringing Carleton's program around. If you read the press release, you'll realize that when he arrived, the football program at Carleton was on the brink of imploding, with 22 players on the roster. He'll be good for Beloit.

http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=1020
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2005, 12:42:10 PM
Emmys,

Don't know if he'll maintain DeGeorge's Wing-T or not. I think Carleton was going single-back for a while but I had not seen Carleton play.

As for how they pick Aztec Bowl participants, not sure. I know they have to be nominated by the coach to the AFCA, and of course, any player in an all-star game has to be a senior. The AFCA All-American team's seniors are automatic bids, I believe, and I think there can only be one person per school.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on December 13, 2005, 12:43:29 PM
So will Brann get the roster number way up as he did at Carleton?  
PASSING         GP   Effic Att-Cmp-Int   Pct  Yds  TD Lng Avg/G
---------------------------------------------------------------
Nate Skelton    10  100.56  165-77-11   46.7  967   9  68  96.7
Total.......... 10  100.56  165-77-11   46.7  967   9  68  96.7

PASSING              GP   Effic Att-Cmp-Int   Pct  Yds  TD Lng Avg/G
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Total..........      10   87.13 299-149-16   49.8 1512   5  50 151.2  Carleton threw almost twice as much though not with tuns of success and Beloit rushed well over 500 times while Carleton rushed about 360 something  what will the make up of this offense be?

And Joshua Armstead is the best special teamer of all time!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bobturkviking on December 13, 2005, 12:51:24 PM
Can't see the Beloit hire being a positive.  In hiring someone from what looks like the same type of institution (with the same lack of committment for football), they've demonstrated that they have no significant interest in making the program more competitive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on December 13, 2005, 01:03:08 PM
Brann is a terrific recruiter growing the Knights from a roster of around 30 to a roster of around 80 this season.  I am surprised he left when it appeared he had Carleton on the cusp of really succeeding.  They took MIAC runner up and playoff second rounder Concordia to the final horn.

I don't know what the draw was to Beloit for Brann.  I don't believe he has family in the are and it seems to be a lateral move.  I think he may have had some frustrations with the admin at Carleton but am not positive.

I think he will do good things at Beloit.

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 13, 2005, 02:30:50 PM
Armstead, did you cut that guy out there??

what did he say, no or i don't think so

i forgot but it was classic

here's another good one....

Well when you have all-americans like Dirk and Kane you can stop anybody
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on December 13, 2005, 05:32:57 PM
Chris Brann Story from Beloit Daily News (http://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2005/12/12/sports/sports02.txt)

Janesville Gazette story too. (http://www.gazetteextra.com/beloitcollfbcoach121305.asp)

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on December 14, 2005, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: ScoutTeamHero on December 12, 2005, 04:19:31 PM
Quote from: Old_Style on December 12, 2005, 03:48:42 PM
He worked too hard to have anyone question or judge his talents, abilities, or accomplishments. STH keep your comments on the practice field when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Old Style give me a break.  I'm glad he's your friend and he's from Rockbridge, but I was only asking if some o-linemen should get some love too.  Maybe they should rename the town Meehan, Ill.  Now, I'm pretty sure he's a good player because you just don't put numbers up like that if your not.  I believe he was and will be an All-American.  Just saying all these numbers look the same except yards per game.  But then again all the guys on this list are All-Americans except for Aljay and Alec.

Casey Meehan     10  186 1165   57 1108   6.0  17   57 110.8

Casey Meehan     11  222 1360   74 1286   5.8  20   51 116.9

Aljay Wren            10  219 1355   50 1305   6.0  14  68 130.5

Alec Getschow        9  140  649   41  608   4.3  11   31   67.6
Aljay Wren              9  110  488   28  460   4.2   9    22   51.1

J.Augustynowicz    9  217 1304   29 1275   5.9  14   54 141.7

Matt O'Grady        10  208 1507   44 1463   7.0  18   75 146.3 

It's safe to say we can add another entry to that list a wee bit early - A.J. Phillips. This kid's a stud, and will eat up defenses next year, starting with OliveOil-Nazareth, or whoever they are.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on December 15, 2005, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: bobturkviking on December 13, 2005, 12:51:24 PM
Can't see the Beloit hire being a positive.  In hiring someone from what looks like the same type of institution (with the same lack of committment for football), they've demonstrated that they have no significant interest in making the program more competitive.

Brann hasn't won a lot in the MIAC, but he has taken a team that hadn't won in 2 years and started a turnaround, as was mentioned.  He's won some games and increased the size of the team 4-fold.  I think he'll field some very competitive teams in the MWC.  Heck, he was starting to get competitive in the MIAC, and we see how well the MWC champ fared with the MIAC champ.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: meachscribe on December 19, 2005, 12:27:19 PM
Congrats to Meehan on his Mexican touchdown.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on December 20, 2005, 12:27:19 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE.  :D

May the joy and spirit of the holiday season be with you throughout the new year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on December 20, 2005, 02:53:16 PM
Thanks for the Christmas message.

I have a few questions about, what seems to me a very large talent gap between the haves and the have nots. Monmouth, almost blew through the conference schedule with ease.  Then they lose to St. John's by 59 points, then St. John's gets  beat by UWW by 27 points, who in the finals gets beat by Mount Union. 

How does programs like Mt. Union, UWW apprear to be so much better than everyone else in the country, especially form the MWC?
Is it a more flexable Admissions program?
Is it scholarship money? (I know no athletic, but I know some schools seem to get fin. aid better than others)
Is it a bigger recruiting budget?
Is it constantly looking for the D1 players that are not getting the PT that they want?

Again, the talent level seems way bigger in D3 programs than D1, but I could be mistaken.

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 20, 2005, 04:34:48 PM
warthog - Good message for the holiday season! :)  Can't wait to make the trip to Wartburg (hopefully I'll be able to get there for the game that weekend) to see the Scots and Knights kick off the 2006 season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on December 20, 2005, 09:57:41 PM
Maverick:

You are giving me information I didn't know?  Are the Knights and Scots playing in 2006?  ???

You are invited to the first tailgate of the year  :)

There will be construction going on around the football stadium so I will need to scout the area when I pass through Waverly before the season starts.  I'm sure our normal party central will be out of commission.  We'll give directions to a new spot before game day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 20, 2005, 10:08:35 PM
Quote from: ICBlue on December 20, 2005, 02:53:16 PM

I have a few questions about, what seems to me a very large talent gap between the haves and the have nots. Monmouth, almost blew through the conference schedule with ease.  Then they lose to St. John's by 59 points, then St. John's gets  beat by UWW by 27 points, who in the finals gets beat by Mount Union. 


U-W schools, St. Johns, and Mount Union are comparable to large division high schools teams and the MWC is that of the small division high school teams.  Nubs and MC are on another level within this conf.  Nubs has run this conf. for the last 8 years or so and MC has come on the last few.  The schools in the MWC don't recruit off campus and it obviously hurts them.  Having a hundred or so guys coming in each year to try out for the team doesn't hurt either where as Beloit and LU only have what 40 guys on the roster.   Maybe things will be changing at those two schools with their new coaching staffs.  Both schools finished strong anyways.

Another thing is why would a player go somewhere he isn't recruited hardly when other schools will come to his high school and meet with him and sell their program and school.  People want to go where they will win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 20, 2005, 11:25:12 PM
"As far as recruiting is concerned at the division three level. It's almost not fair as some leagues aren't allowed to recruit off campus and some are,and the majority of private schools are required to bring in 150 kids a year to the school. In a way the coaches during the off season are glorified admissions counselors selling their school, with an emphasis on the football program."  -quote from d3fbfanatic on WIAC page-
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d3fbfanatic on December 22, 2005, 01:32:42 AM
I did nmot know this until saturday during the Stagg bowl. However the OAC is not allowed to recruit off campus just like the MWC is not allowed to recruit off campus. My question is why does it seem that the OAC is much more competitive in d3 in terms of the playoffs and everything. They always have two teams in the playoffs, who usually get to the third round of the playoffs. and they also end up playing each other a lot.
If someone could post their thoughts. I would appreciate it.
Also my quote from scout teamhero is true division three coaches are glorified admissions counselors. To even use the world recruiting at the d3 lvel is somewhat of a joke.At the division three level you go to school for a education first and football second.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 22, 2005, 06:55:15 AM
fanatic: In D3 recruiting is subtle - soft sell - compared to that in DIA, but it is the difference that makes all the difference. No DIII team is going to win its conference without working hard at recruiting and doing better at it than the typical team in the conference. A DIII coach may be a good organizer and manager, a good motivator, good at the technical aspects of the game and a good teacher, but he needs to have relatively high quality players in order to be highly successful in terms of wins and losses.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 22, 2005, 08:19:18 AM
SNC Fans

Did I see it correctly is the DC position open at SNC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on December 22, 2005, 10:37:51 AM
To my Fighting Scots pals...Yes, even you Snydz...I found a new defensive lineman for you guys...
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051222075609990013&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 22, 2005, 08:25:08 PM
warthog - To the best of my knowledge, the Scots and Knights will open the 2006 season (at Wartburg, night game I believe) and the 2007 season (at Monmouth) against each other.  Thanks for the tailgate invite, I'm hoping that I don't have anything else going on that weekend so I can be there for the game. :)

finsleft - Thanks for posting that link, kind of an interesting story.  Also good to hear that you still consider Snydz as one of your "pals" among those from Scots Nation! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 23, 2005, 04:46:47 PM
Quote from: d3fbfanatic on December 22, 2005, 01:32:42 AM
I did nmot know this until saturday during the Stagg bowl. However the OAC is not allowed to recruit off campus just like the MWC is not allowed to recruit off campus. My question is why does it seem that the OAC is much more competitive in d3 in terms of the playoffs and everything. They always have two teams in the playoffs, who usually get to the third round of the playoffs. and they also end up playing each other a lot.
If someone could post their thoughts. I would appreciate it.
Also my quote from scout teamhero is true division three coaches are glorified admissions counselors. To even use the world recruiting at the d3 lvel is somewhat of a joke.At the division three level you go to school for a education first and football second.

The OAC is in OHIO, a state obsessed with football!!   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 23, 2005, 06:01:49 PM
And when you win 8 of the last 13 national championships people want to go to that school because they have a pretty good shot at winning.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 30, 2005, 11:51:10 PM
Happy New Year MWC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d3fbfanatic on January 02, 2006, 09:27:46 PM
I just read on footballscoop.com that Jeff Voris from Carroll College has just been named the new head football coach at Butler University.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 04, 2006, 06:00:04 PM
That story is on the Midwest Conference homepage right now.  Without knowing too much about Carroll football, the hiring seems strange.  Maybe there is a pre-existing relationship about their now ex-coach and Butler.  It's a big jump, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 04, 2006, 07:45:49 PM
Could be.  Voris played and coached at DePauw.  He's got a lot of work ahead of him since the Bulldogs went 0-11 last season.

By the way, Carroll announced Voris' replacement, Henny Hiemenz.  The story is here (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 02:52:12 PM
Congratulations to Mitch Tanney for making the SI January 16, 2005, "Faces in the Crowd" , found on page 26.

Any performances issues in the 2006 Monmouth College football season may be viewed as an extension of the SI Cover Jinx. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on January 14, 2006, 01:56:25 PM
Congrats to the "best football player on the team" first team all american football gazette and linebacker of the region or something like that
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on January 20, 2006, 09:56:19 PM
So lots of chatter here in the MWC. Hear Drew Holman, LFC star, class of '04 has a book signing this weekend in Minooka! I think the name of the book is "It's Not Easy Being a Hero!"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on January 23, 2006, 12:19:35 AM
Heard its more like, "Indebted to Mike E. at UWP"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on January 25, 2006, 04:59:25 PM
Can anyone update me on how things are going at Beloit under the new coach????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Longtooth on January 26, 2006, 01:26:11 AM
Is it true the L & C is playing a full NWC schedule?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on January 26, 2006, 10:24:59 AM
Word on the street LFC's OC is out off to Iowa who's taking over the O? Where is this program headed? Is Becker gonna run the O? Who is the QB heard first and second string both out of school! It would be in the best interest of the program to hire ole #23!



"I'm not your F**king buddy"
Richard Duncan
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on January 26, 2006, 07:29:43 PM
"Ain't that right Reggie !!!"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on January 30, 2006, 01:37:01 PM
New OC for the Tree Coach Fitz! Running the show. Or will Becker call the shots? Any truth to the rumor  that Nick Cullen #99 '04 is coming back to be a player coach?



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on January 30, 2006, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Emmys First Class on January 30, 2006, 01:37:01 PM
Any truth to the rumor that Nick Cullen #99 '04 is coming back to be a player coach?

Cullen #99 needs to come back as player/coach, he's just what that program is in need of.  Someone who can get the troops fired up.  Also an athletic dept. favorite.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on March 01, 2006, 02:02:01 PM
So this board is jumping! Summer Camp is only months away! Whats the dil? Over a month no posts? Weak


Wartburg to win National Title behind lil Eric
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: zakkwylde on March 23, 2006, 04:51:45 PM
anybody hear anything from De Pere about the two new assistant coaches listed on the Norbert football site?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on March 31, 2006, 12:24:30 PM
The 2006 Midwest Conference composite football schedule has been posted.


Link: http://www.midwestconference.org/football/schedule.asp

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on March 31, 2006, 05:40:33 PM
Good to see that's been released, MWCSID.  I've been wondering when the composite schedule would finally make it's official appearance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2006, 07:58:14 PM
Sept. 2     Millikin at Illinois College     1 p.m.
     Eureka at Knox    1 p.m.
     Kenyon at Grinnell    1:30 p.m.
     Washington (MO) at Lake Forest    1:30 p.m.
     Carthage at Carroll    6 p.m.
     Monmouth at Wartburg    7 p.m.
     Macalester at Beloit    TBA
     Lawrence at Minnesota-Morris    TBA
     Ripon at UW-Oshkosh    TBA

This is an improvement as a whole, for sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 01, 2006, 01:37:26 AM
Yeah it is good to see teams that haven't been much for scheduling a quality team as their non-conference game improving it for this season.  No more Blackburn and only 1 team playing Macalester this year rather than 4-5 teams playing them like in the last couple seasons.  Now just gotta hope for some good results!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: zakkwylde on April 12, 2006, 10:19:17 PM
Well Maverick, you're the only devoted poster during this off-season lull.  How do the Scots match up for next fall?  Any interesting news?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: IBFC_Alum on April 13, 2006, 09:13:07 AM
What do the IC players or fans think about MacMurray and IC playing each other.  Even if it is the preseason scrimmage somethignhas to give here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on April 13, 2006, 12:50:09 PM
Quote from: zakkwylde on April 12, 2006, 10:19:17 PM
Well Maverick, you're the only devoted poster during this off-season lull.  How do the Scots match up for next fall?  Any interesting news?
Yeah Mav, we want a rematch in Collegeville this fall. Only this time we expect an appearance by the full pipe band and a Roush.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on April 13, 2006, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: finsleft on April 13, 2006, 12:50:09 PM
Quote from: zakkwylde on April 12, 2006, 10:19:17 PM
Well Maverick, you're the only devoted poster during this off-season lull.  How do the Scots match up for next fall?  Any interesting news?
Yeah Mav, we want a rematch in Collegeville this fall. Only this time we expect an appearance by the full pipe band and a Roush.

Wasn't there a safety recall on Roushes? (roush's? roushe's? roaches? what would be proper pluralization of Roush?)

Something to do with the rubber band snapping at speeds over 34 MPH and hitting the chipmunk in the a$$ resulting in total engine failure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on April 13, 2006, 05:49:08 PM
I would always be in favor of an IC-Mac game, but if it hasn't happened by now, I don't see why it ever would.  There are always reasons listed for why we don't play, but I just don't think either school's administrations are interested.  As for who IC is playing, I'm glad they've taken up with Millikin.  In my opinion, there are too many quality programs in Illinois for IC to be scheduling Blackburn or Principia every year.  Just hope my coaching schedule allows me to get to IC that weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 13, 2006, 06:45:54 PM
zak - Yeah it sucks that just about every MWC poster bails out on the football board from December through August.

As for the Scots, I don't have any interesting news on them--transfers, top players leaving the program, etc.  But assuming those who are still eligible to return do so, here's what I got: offensively...the running game should remain intact with the top 2 ball carriers (Daniels and Gibbs), 3 of the top 4 receivers coming back, and 4 out of 5 linemen returning, but have to find someone to replace Tanney at QB; defensively...Scots' D-line will have to replace a couple good D-tackles but get both D-ends back, lose 1-2 starting LB's, but 3 out of 4 starting DB's return in the secondary.  Special teams should still be strong with Palkovic kicking and punting, and Haffner handling most return duties.  Overall, Monmouth didn't graduate alot of players (if I counted right, 7 of 11 offensive starters return and 6-7 of 11 defensive starters return).  But the ones that did finish (QB Tanney, WR Hammer, DT Dihle, LB Zigler, DB Bast, and several others) were very good and important pieces of the team.  I'd guess the Scots will be strong again this fall with a good nucleus of the team coming back, just gotta fit in some new pieces of the puzzle...something Bell and his staff have done well recently.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 13, 2006, 06:55:08 PM
finsleft - Don't you have some Hamm's that needs drinking?? :D  I'd love to make it back up to Collegeville again this fall--was a great place to tailgate and watch a game.  As for the full pipe band...I don't have a clue.  And the Roush...well maybe Snydz will re-appear sometime and you can talk to him about that! ;)

Those talking about an IC vs. MacMurray game, probably not going to happen.  It would make for a great rivalry game since they're so close, but hopefully this scheduling trend by IC will continue into the future--playing someone from a strong conference (this year being Millikin out of the CCIW) rather than just settling for playing MacMurray as a rivalry game or playing someone like Blackburn for an easy W.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on April 14, 2006, 01:52:56 PM
Agreed Mav, on your point about IC-Mac.  And, just because two schools are in the same town doesn't necessarily mean the game makes sense from a competitive point of view.  Given the reputations of the two conferences, both would benefit by playing a team like Millikin to strengthen the overalls schedules they play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: IBFC_Alum on April 17, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: wnc52 on April 14, 2006, 01:52:56 PM
Agreed Mav, on your point about IC-Mac. And, just because two schools are in the same town doesn't necessarily mean the game makes sense from a competitive point of view. Given the reputations of the two conferences, both would benefit by playing a team like Millikin to strengthen the overalls schedules they play.

If you have not seen Mac's schedule yet they have Augustana scheduled first game of the yera away!!! I guess IC situation is different only being able to schedule one non-conference game a year(is that correct)?  But maybe they could play the preseason scrimmage against each other and then either team does not have to travel.  Do you think that would work out?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on April 17, 2006, 01:41:22 PM
No, IBFC_Alum, I had not seen their schedule yet, but that is my point.  I feel it is better for Mac and IC to be playing teams like Auggie and Millikin instead of each other.  I'm not saying the "Battle of Jacksonville" would not be a good game, I just point to the larger picture of what IC and Mac can do for their conferences.  In terms of a scrimmage, I've been told D IIIs have two options--nine games plus one scrimmage OR ten games no scrimmage.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if that is the case, IC is better off simply playing a tenth game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 17, 2006, 01:44:12 PM
That's a Midwest Conference restriction. The Division III rules allow 10 games plus a scrimmage.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: IBFC_Alum on April 17, 2006, 01:50:38 PM
Thanks Pat.  Any word on D-III guys getting serious attention from Pro Scouts? Anyone have a legit chance of getting drafted?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 17, 2006, 02:38:29 PM
I doubt anyone other than Brett Elliott has a shot at getting drafted, and even his chances are probably 30-70 at best.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 17, 2006, 06:44:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 17, 2006, 01:44:12 PM
That's a Midwest Conference restriction. The Division III rules allow 10 games plus a scrimmage.

Yes, unfortunately that is a MWC rule--the one that got St. Norbert in a bit of trouble several years ago for having a scrimmage and a non-conference game if I remember correct??  Would be nice if the MWC would change that rule (along with several others), but I suppose there isn't much many of us can do about that...  Also, good job by MacMurray in scheduling Augustana as one of their non-conference games this season--that will be good for them in the long run.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: IBFC_Alum on April 20, 2006, 01:15:46 PM
One day I hope Mac will put Monmouth on the schedule.  Coach Steve Bell at Monmouth got his start at Mac and turned the offense around tremendously.  Mac still runs a lot of the plays that he installed during his time there. I came to Mac the year after Bell left but from what I am told he was a hell of a coach. So if Mac can't get IC maybe we could get Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 20, 2006, 06:03:03 PM
Yes, Coach Bell did some coaching at MacMurray prior to coming to Monmouth and he really is a hell of a coach--played 4 years for him--and has a hell of a staff to go along with him.  And it would make for an interesting storyline of a coach going back to play his old team.  But again similar to IC vs. MacMurray not happening, Monmouth vs. MacMurray probably isn't happening anytime soon either.  Like IC has finally started doing with Millikin from the CCIW, Bell and staff seem to be more interested in scheduling a solid team from somewhere like the IIAC (ie, Loras in '02 and '03, Wartburg in '06 and '07) as the Scots' single non-conference game.  In other words, they want to play someone who can help make them better down the road; and even if they're to lose that game, they want it to be a quality opponent that will help them somehow in the future--not just schedule someone they think would be an easy win (not trying to bash Mac at all there, that's just the way I'm seeing it).  Also, FYI, these 2 schools met every year from 1985-1997 when the MWC was split into North and South divisions, and Monmouth was able to schedule more than just one non-conference game each season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on April 20, 2006, 06:18:02 PM
Hey Mav or anyone else. Do you know the deal with the Lake Michigan conference realignment? Will that league be playing next year and if so, will they have an AQ in football?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 20, 2006, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on April 20, 2006, 06:18:02 PM
Hey Mav or anyone else. Do you know the deal with the Lake Michigan conference realignment? Will that league be playing next year and if so, will they have an AQ in football?



fightintitan - I really don't have a clue as to what's going on with the LMC.  Hopefully Pat or someone else knows and can help you out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2006, 10:40:34 PM
I don't believe the football alignments are changing next year. There will eventually be a Northern Athletics Conference football conference, but not a LMC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on April 26, 2006, 11:24:31 AM
Chad back in the MWC! Big C after his long stint in Minn. What does this mean for the fire will they build on last year? More importantly what will his presence do for the Knox tennis program? But really what will this do to have impact on the Football program? I heard he already has some planned hires. He said wants the best D-back he ever coached to shape his secondary. The have lots a bars in town schoolboy? And hear Marty Folan is to take the WR's. Best of Luck to the Chad we will see if he can keep the fire burning in Galesburg. Will he coach or just look over the program very closely? I know one thing he will have much more success there than if he were back at his last MWC stomping ground! Those Trees lets hope they can stay out of jail an win more than 3 games in this POWER conference!

Krabel for Life!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on April 27, 2006, 07:39:27 PM
The trees rocked the four years Chad was there (2001 - 2004), compiling a win/loss record of 28 - 13 with the help of a great assistant coaching staff.  Brent Holsclaw was particularly impressive.  Fortunately, we were there all four seasons.  As a supporter last year, it was a disappointing year, but winning only one game all season would be a hell of a lot worse.  Hopefully, the Foresters are regrouping and working hard in the off season.  I've talked to a few, and they seem enthusiastic and are looking forward to this season.  It's unfortunate the game against Knox is in Galesburg this year.  May have to make that road trip anyway.  In the meantime, 128 days to the home opener.  A Forester FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!       
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on April 27, 2006, 10:53:01 PM
Coolaw,

Is Lake Forest vs. Knox a pretty big rivalry in football?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on April 28, 2006, 05:08:05 AM
You might say that.  In 2002, the year we won the Conference Championship, they were the team that ruined our perfect season before the playoffs and caused us to go 9 - 1 with a 35 - 30 score over us.  Also, Knox is the alma mater of our current head coach.  It is also the alma mater of our former head coach and Knox's newly named Director of Athletics.  I think this all plays out for a pretty good rivalry and a pretty good game this season I hope.  A Forester FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on April 28, 2006, 05:09:50 AM
Oh yeah, only 127 days 'til opening day!!!!!!!!!!!!  Are you ready for some FOOTBALL???????????????  Go Foresters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on April 28, 2006, 02:29:09 PM
K first off coolaw you really didn't touch on any questions I had. I hope your arm is ok from patting yourself and your team on the back. An my hope is your name doesn't insinuate you are studying law! I may not know much, but it's always good to have your facts straight. Chad was 31-20-0 overall and 28-16 in conf. He coached for 5 years! LFC is now a lower level team in a weak conf. They won 3! 3! games in the brace yourself the MWC. I am glad you had a nice little run in your day at the Forest but that has come to a close! If I remember correctly the Trees had much fall into their laps and now look it ain't so easy when you have to actually recruit! Just check out last year's class. And I gotta call from some LFC players too but it was to bail them out of jail cause they robbed a player on their own team! Real enthusiastic! Since the enthusiasm is flowing in the Forest who is there QB? RB? WR? I guess #10 will just do everything for this perennial power as you have put it coolaw! I hope they take it easy on Wash. U! An one more tid bit the Flames lead the series 29-17 over the Trees best rivalry in college football a couple of 3 win teams battling in the pooph bowl!

LETZ lives on!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on April 28, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
Quote from: Emmys First Class on April 28, 2006, 02:29:09 PM
K first off coolaw you really didn't touch on any questions I had. I hope your arm is ok from patting yourself and your team on the back. An my hope is your name doesn't insinuate you are studying law! I may not know much, but it's always good to have your facts straight. Chad was 31-20-0 overall and 28-16 in conf. He coached for 5 years! LFC is now a lower level team in a weak conf. They won 3! 3! games in the brace yourself the MWC. I am glad you had a nice little run in your day at the Forest but that has come to a close! If I remember correctly the Trees had much fall into their laps and now look it ain't so easy when you have to actually recruit! Just check out last year's class. And I gotta call from some LFC players too but it was to bail them out of jail cause they robbed a player on their own team! Real enthusiastic! Since the enthusiasm is flowing in the Forest who is there QB? RB? WR? I guess #10 will just do everything for this perennial power as you have put it coolaw! I hope they take it easy on Wash. U! An one more tid bit the Flames lead the series 29-17 over the Trees best rivalry in college football a couple of 3 win teams battling in the poop bowl!

LETZ lives on!


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on April 28, 2006, 04:17:50 PM
Emmys First Class,

Didn't mean to get ya so worked up.  Try to have a good weekend anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on May 01, 2006, 08:29:28 PM
I'm glad the Bears sured up there poor defense in this years draft.  Great job
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on May 05, 2006, 01:21:41 PM
I'm blown away by all the faithful Knox posters. You get a new AD who could be a huge asset to your program an nothing? This board is a week as this conference!




Wojdyla Rules!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 16, 2006, 03:07:41 PM
Some good news (and, potentially, very good news down the road) about our reigning POY.  http://www.monm.edu/news/releases2006/tanney.05-15-06.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on May 16, 2006, 08:36:39 PM
D*mmit scottie!  You beat me to posting the story about Tanney. :P  But yes, it is good news and hopefully he continues to do well where ever his football road takes him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 16, 2006, 10:00:27 PM
Sorry Mav!   ;)  I had to do it... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on May 17, 2006, 03:30:58 AM
Congrats to Tanney! It's great to see D3 kids go on to play at another level.

He was SUMMA cum laude? Outstanding!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on May 30, 2006, 12:36:14 PM
The season is quickly approaching. Predictions?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on May 30, 2006, 08:58:33 PM
I think Monmouth falls to St. Norbert this season (before winning the next three or four MWC titles), but I am not sure it necessarily wins them the conference.

I expect SNC and MC to be at the top with no more than three conference losses combined and Ripon, Lawrence, Carroll, Lake Forest and IC all beating up on one another with the occasional upset. I think MC or SNC could be upset victims from any of the first four teams and could cost either one the title.

a very early order of finish
SNC
MC
LU
RC
CC
LFC
IC
BC
KC
GC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on May 31, 2006, 05:50:05 PM
Beat ya this time scottie! ;)  Recent story on Monmouth's incoming recruiting class, a couple different links:

http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/releases/2006/football.recruits.05-30-06.htm

http://www.reviewatlas.com/articles/2006/05/31/sports/local/sports1.txt
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: zakkwylde on June 01, 2006, 10:16:27 PM
Interesting pick, Lawrence at third.  I definately think they will be much improved from last year.  Anyone in Appleton know if Aljay Wren will be a fighting Viking this year?  Keeping that in mind, is Seth Schussler coming back to lead the Green Knights to the promise land.  I've heard his name mentioned lately in a lot of Chuck Norris jokes.  You know, like: Who is Chuck Norris afraid of?  Seth Schussler.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on June 02, 2006, 09:17:17 AM
Who is Seth Schussler?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: zakkwylde on June 02, 2006, 11:13:31 PM
He was a TE from a few years ago who was an animal in the weight room and oftentimes in public.  Took a lot of heat for giving SJU fans the middle finger.  Went into the military and I have heard rumblings about his return.  Kind of like the Tupac/Machiavelli conspiracy, minus the fake death.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on June 07, 2006, 12:23:26 PM
As far as predictions go.
Monmouth may have lost Tanny and Zigler and few other great athletes.  Monmouth will bo on top again.  Bell has things running the right way.  Monmouth finally beat Norberts this past year and that is what they needed to gain their confidence.  Now Monmouth knows thay can beat them.  Go Scots.  Looking forward to that first game against Wartburg.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on June 07, 2006, 09:04:07 PM
that is pretty crappy reasoning Papa

just because a coach has things running the right way doesnt mean anything when you lose the best qb and lb in school history.

give us some reasons that Monmouth tops Norbs again...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on June 09, 2006, 12:23:58 PM
If you lose your top offensive and defensive player that does not mean that your team slumps.  Monmouth reloads.  Zigler was a hell of a player but it is the other players around you that make you a great player.  The rest of the D i am sure will be in peak form.  As for Tanny he was a great QB, but in Coach Bell's tenure thus far he has had two quarterbacks, Rob Purlee and tanny and both broke school records, I am sure that the quarterbacks he has will step in and produce just fine.  They dont need an all american QB, they have a solid team coming back.

As for your sorry A**.  If the program is good than so are the players.  You must know nothing about athletics in general.  The top team are always at the top, they keep getting better and better.  Norberts was there for a while, but with dumbs**ts like you talking about them, they apparently are on the decline.  Have a great summer, wetting your self over how good Monmouth is going to be.  Rooster
Congrads on the wedding next week.  Sorry I cant be there in FL, but i give you my best.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on June 09, 2006, 06:55:56 PM
You are correct, I know very little about athletics, but I have learned a great deal from you in the past few days....thank you

But just so I have this straight, by your calculations, USC and Texas will meet again in the DI national championship...correct?...because getting the choo choo train rolling in the right direction overcomes all else, for instance, having a combined 17 players drafted into the NFL..

Oh yes and if your correlation between a dumb**** talking about a team and that team's impending demise holds true, things don't look good for Monmouth....considering a few posts up I said they that the Scots will win two or three titles in a row after next season.

Unlike yourself, I will provide reasoning for my statement, rather than sticking the keyboard in my mouth and going with whatever appears on the screen...Bell has shown he is a superior coach in the league, but has never had superior talent...I still think SNC was the better team talent-wise last year, but were outcoached and outplayed.

I think Bell has had a little bit of luck landing two All-American caliber QBs in a row and I think this might be the honeymoon season...that being said, I think Bell has the ability to turn a less talented QB into a top of the line player, so a honeymoon season will likely mean hanging 40 or 50 on most MWC teams, but falling to SNC in the new QBs debut against top-level talent.   

Purlees and Tanney's first games against SNC
Purlee    11-32   93 yards, 3 int
Tanney 8-17 145 yards  2tds  1int

Those numbers tell me that there is a learning curve involved because the talent level is higher at SNC than other MWC schools. Maybe Wartburg will prepare the new QB for the SNC game, but I don't think we will see a pillar to post qb for MC next year. I do think who ever comes on at the end of the season will lead MC past SNC and to the playoffs for the next several years.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on June 13, 2006, 11:14:37 PM
oh really Papa?   good response


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on June 14, 2006, 11:32:46 PM
fightintitan, nicely done!
What's the word Papa? haha
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on June 15, 2006, 12:17:19 AM
I also heard about Seth Schussler coming back to play football in the Fox Valley area.Not for Norby's.But for LU.Yes Aljay will be the tailback for the vikings this fall,with Ebert moving out to a WR spot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on June 15, 2006, 12:59:57 PM
I am sorry about the response being so late.  I do have other things on my agenda.
Good post fightin titan
Good point on Purlee and Tanney starting off bad against St. Norberts.  They did struggle against better competition.  However, Tanny may have started out as All-American caliber but Purlee was not a highly sout after recruit coming out of Mt. Carroll.  He had to work his way to the player he was, and yes Coach Bell should get all the credit for that.  Hopefully, the next QB will not struggle against better comp. (We will find out against Wartburg) 

I did not see the Norberts game this past season, so I can't comment on how good Norberts was, but Monmouth has a pretty dang good team when I watched them.

As far as the USC-Texas statement, I am not stating that Monmouth will win the national championship, but a team doesn't go from 1st to last in a years time.  USC and Texas will be in the top 10, so yes when you get the train rolling you tend to be on top, especially if you have a handful of the same players and a great coach. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on June 17, 2006, 11:14:15 PM
Papa...I may have twisted some of your previous comments out of their intended context because I didn't appreciate your tone...I agree with you about USC and Texas reaping the rewards of their recent success and putting together programs that will be near the Top 10, so I understand what you mean by getting things rolling...in MWC terms, we can agree that talent-wise there is MC and SNC and everybody else at this point in time.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BigShow on June 17, 2006, 11:42:32 PM
any word on new editions to the Lawrence football program for the upcoming season?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on June 19, 2006, 01:49:49 PM
Agree with that statement!!

Congrads again Rooster on the wedding.  Hope it was fun becoming a man.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on June 21, 2006, 09:03:08 AM
Looking at the non-conference games in the MWC this year the Monmouth vs. Wartburg game is the most important game any team in the conference will play this year.  It is even more important than the SNC vs. Monmouth game.  It has the power to enable an at large bid with a win.  A Ripon over Oshkosh win would also bolster the MWC's chances.  However, it would be a lot more interesting to watch Grinnell vs. Kenyon if it was in a swimming pool.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bayer/berlex on June 22, 2006, 01:23:03 PM
Though I agree that an at-large bid would be nice, and that wins against strong non-conference opponents would aid that cause, I take exception to the comment regarding the Grinnell/Kenyon matchup. If it was meant as a compliment to the swimming programs at both institutions, I stand corrected. If it was meant as a "slap in the face" to the athletes that will be "banging heads" on the gridiron on September 2nd in Grinnell, shame on the poster! Kenyon's head coach is a Grinnell grad and he has improved the Kenyon program dramatically in the last couple of years. Kenyon will also be playing Claremount-McKenna in California before beginning their conference schedule. Grinnell had a very tough year in 2005, only four seniors and a slew of injuries may have played a role. However, the previous year the Pioneers posted a respectable 6 and 4 record (which included wins over Ripon & Carroll). I've been a Midwest Conference fan for several years and really admire the play of the hundreds of scholar athletes that the various teams put forth each season. My hope is that all posters do the same.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on June 22, 2006, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: bayer/berlex on June 22, 2006, 01:23:03 PM
Though I agree that an at-large bid would be nice, and that wins against strong non-conference opponents would aid that cause, I take exception to the comment regarding the Grinnell/Kenyon matchup. If it was meant as a compliment to the swimming programs at both institutions, I stand corrected.

I am a former swimmer from Coe college.  We used to get shellacked about four times a year by the pioneers.  I still have my Buddha invitational T-shirts.  If swimming were like football and broken down into regions Grinnell would be the St. John's of the west and Kenyon is the Mount Union of swimming.  Much respect to Coach Obermiller, Luther Davis, Joe Zimsen, David Ressner, and the rest of the early nineties pioneer swim teams. 8)

So you may stand bayer/berlex.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bayer/berlex on June 22, 2006, 05:17:55 PM
CooCooforCoe. . .
     My apologies for assuming the worst. You lived the scholar-athlete life at Coe. I'm hoping that all of Grinnell's teams will someday achieve the type of success of that the swim teams have provided. Best of luck to Coe next season!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on June 23, 2006, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on June 22, 2006, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: bayer/berlex on June 22, 2006, 01:23:03 PM

  If swimming were like football and broken down into regions Grinnell would be the St. John's of the west and Kenyon is the Mount Union of swimming.  Much respect to Coach Obermiller, Luther Davis, Joe Zimsen, David Ressner, and the rest of the early nineties pioneer swim teams. 8)

So you may stand bayer/berlex.


No question that Grinnell has a great swimming program but I think St Olaf may argue with you awarding them the St Johns comparison in football.  Olaf has been a consitently better swimming program than Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on July 03, 2006, 06:49:33 PM
1. Lawrence             9-1 
2. St. Norbert           9-1
3. Monmouth            7-3
4. Carroll                  6-4
5. Ripon                   5-5
6. Beloit                   4-6
7. Illinois College        4-6
8. Lake Forest           3-7
9. Knox                    1-9
10. Grinnell               0-10

Tiebreak goes to Lawrence who could start out 2-1 or 0-3.  I say 2-1, but if they get off to the bad start then the worst they finish is 3rd in the league.  Nubs as always then everyone else just playin to play
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on July 07, 2006, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: ScoutTeamHero on July 03, 2006, 06:49:33 PM
1. Lawrence 9-1
2. St. Norbert 9-1
3. Monmouth 7-3
4. Carroll 6-4
5. Ripon 5-5
6. Beloit 4-6
7. Illinois College 4-6
8. Lake Forest 3-7
9. Knox 1-9
10. Grinnell 0-10

Tiebreak goes to Lawrence who could start out 2-1 or 0-3. I say 2-1, but if they get off to the bad start then the worst they finish is 3rd in the league. Nubs as always then everyone else just playin to play

You have got to be kidding me with putting Lawrence at even having a prayer at going 9-1.  The coach that they have now will def. help them win more games, but there is no way they will go 9-1.  I still see them as being under .500 this year.  They need a couple more years to bring in some outstanding players, but they will still have the problem they have always had.. getting quality players that have high accademic numbers.  I know that Lawrence has dropped some of their high requirements and have been able to bring in some players, but to go from a 4-5 record to a 9-1 record thats a big jump.  Plus the only games they won last year where at home.  So unless they are playing 9 home games this team needs another year or two to grow.  But don't get me wrong, i could see LU moving right up the rankings in years to come.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 07, 2006, 03:46:17 PM
I agree...I wasnt sure if Scoutteamhero was being sarcastic because some of the other posters had Lawrence moving up this year, but LU lost to Monmouth and St. Norbert by over 30 points apiece last year....a win over Carroll and blowout over Lake Forest showed they improved drastically throughout the year...but losses to Knox and Beloit show they are not ready to compete for a title yet. I think LU has a chance at 7-3, but could be as low 5-5 if they dont take care of business
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on July 07, 2006, 04:49:30 PM
Ya never know:

LFC 2001 (4 - 6)

LFC 2002 (9 - 2)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 07, 2006, 07:38:20 PM
Good point...any former Foresters out there who can pinpoint the biggest reasons for the turnaround

I just looked at LU's schedule...how good will Minnesota-Morris be and is getting MC and SNC right away a good or bad thing.

I think Monmouth will be beatable next year espeically in week two...MC's QB situation could still be in question and if their offense is struggling, I think a team like LU or Ripon can beat them by controlling the clock with the run game.

I guess a win over MC would give the Vikes cofidence against SNC and Howard used to coach there so he might have the inside track, but the question of matching up talentwise still remains.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 07, 2006, 07:43:34 PM
Lawrence should beat Minnesota-Morris.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 11, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
anybody out there want to talk football???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on July 12, 2006, 11:37:35 AM
Hey I am game, what do you want to talk about?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bayer/berlex on July 12, 2006, 03:30:37 PM
I'm ready to talk some MWC football. My guess is that the MWC will see several teams around the 5-5 mark this year. Some great players have graduated from last year's powerhouses (Monmouth and St. Norbert). Some of last year's weaker teams will surprise people. Grinnell had numerous underclassmen gain lots of valuable gameday experience during last year's struggle. A healthy Sean Pfalzer returns for his senior season at QB. A large group of newcomers include several prep school standouts. Lawrence finished strong, however, I'm not convinced they will be an elite team so quickly. Anxious to see how Beloit responds to the coaching change. Did Lake Forest lose its starting QB (or was he inadvertently left off the 2006 roster)? Let's get the chatter started. Opening kickoff is a mere six weeks away!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on July 12, 2006, 03:45:19 PM
Can Carroll beat Carthage?

Can Ripon beat UW Oshkosh?

Can I.C. beat Millikin?

Can Lake Forest beat Washington U. ?

Can Monmouth beat Wartburg?

These five games will have a lot to say about the MWC's AQ seeding in the west region playoffs.   If all these games result in victories there may be chatter about an at large bid. The rest of the non-conference schedule should be all W's :-[
Title: Midwest non-conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on July 12, 2006, 04:06:11 PM
Can Grinnell beat Kenyon?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on July 12, 2006, 08:35:43 PM
Carthage Wins
Oshkosh Wins
I.C. Should Win
Wash. U Wins
Toss Up but favoring Wartburg
Lawrence Wins
Norbs Win
Beloit Wins
Toss Up but favoring Grinell
Toss Up but favoring Knox


Maybe too soon for 9-1 Larry's but like I said it's all about their start 9-1 or 7-3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 12, 2006, 09:26:25 PM
scoutteamhero..I think you need to lay of the MWC and LU koolaid a bit...
i pasted your picks and added my thoughts

Carthage Wins (CC played them to the wire last year and probably falls in a close one )
Oshkosh Wins (dont disagree at all)
I.C. Should Win (I think Millikin enters as the favorite here)
Wash. U Wins (by how much? i dont know anything about UAA football)
Toss Up but favoring Wartburg (Wartburg should be favored)
Lawrence Wins (dont disagree, but it will be tighter than expected)
Norbs Win (not sure about that...doesnt olivet have scholarships, not to mention being very good the last few years)
Beloit Wins (we shall see)
Toss Up but favoring Grinell (Kenyon won 6 games in a much better conference and should win going away)
Toss Up but favoring Knox (agreed I think)

my vote for the MWC nonconference record is 4-6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 12, 2006, 09:38:29 PM
coocooforcoekohawk,

you had raised the point a few pages back that the biggest game of the year in the MWC is the Monmouth vs. Wartburg game...I have to respectfully disagree, although I certainly understand where you are coming from...

I still think Monmouth vs. St. Norbert will be the biggest again for a few reasons...

* Monmouth starts a new QB this year, possibly a freshman
** Wartburg will likely be bigger on the lines and more likely to wear out an opponent, especially in a season-opener
*** MWC teams are at an automatic disadvantage, as I believe that their conference restrictions give them either less practices or less scrimmages (please fill me on the exact rules or correct me if I am wrong)

I think the first and third points give Monmouth a shot of being a better team late in the season than in the opener and thus, if they can get by SNC, give them a chance at a win if they were to face Wartburg again in the playoffs...although a 10-0 record got them St. Johns last year, so a 9-1 mark may offer the same MIAC or WIAC fate...an MWC school will never upset that caliber of team, but St. Norbert certainly had top 15 and maybe top 10 teams in the past that were victims of being in a great regions
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 12, 2006, 09:39:28 PM
bayer/berlex and hawksighting, who r your teams?
Title: MWC fan (very partial to Grinnell)
Post by: bayer/berlex on July 13, 2006, 12:27:30 PM
fightintitan2006

bayer/berlex is a grinnell fan (I haven't missed many games over the last several years).

The Kenyon at Grinnell opener should be a dandy. Expect a wide open game as Kenyon returns two 1000 yard rushers, including a QB who runs from the shotgun formation. The Pioneers will be sky high with their largest squad in recent years (including 18 starters from last year). The Kenyon coach is a Grinnell alum who played on the "perfect season" team of the late 90's. I'm betting that Pfalzer's arm will be fine and the matured defense will be much improved. Look for Grinnell to win by a field goal, 27-24.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on July 13, 2006, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on July 12, 2006, 09:39:28 PM
bayer/berlex and hawksighting, who r your teams?

I am a Ripon Grad.  On the squad from 2000-2004.  I am now working for a College in the Iowa Conference, ill give you guys a guess, has to do with my name.  It is def. a totally different paced game in the Iowa conference.  As much as i hate to agree, Wartburg should do a good job on Monmouth. The one big thing that the Iowa conference has that the MWC doesn't is off campus recruiting.  That helps a lot with getting some different types of student/athletes. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 14, 2006, 07:46:02 PM
if i have you pegged right, than something tells me that you would be a good source for inside information not only on Ripon football, but also Ripon swimming ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 15, 2006, 03:37:28 PM
JUSTINTYME hinted onthe previous page that a pair of former SNC players may be at Lawrence this year...anyone know if there is any truth to either??? I have heard Wren is there from a few different people, but this was the first I heard about Schussler

If Wren is really at LU, that could have a huge impact on that team and the league...I think is been a few years since he has played ball, but if he is in shape, he could be a man among boys...anyone know if this would be his last year or would he have another year of eligibility?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on July 17, 2006, 09:17:53 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on July 14, 2006, 07:46:02 PM
if i have you pegged right, than something tells me that you would be a good source for inside information not only on Ripon football, but also Ripon swimming ;)

Could be :o  And would I know you at all?  Only a month till check in fella's!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 17, 2006, 08:50:17 PM
I doubt you know me...I'm just a longtime Fox Valley area guy  who makes the rounds around the area to watch football...I watched your dad at LU and while he doesn't know me well, he must recognize me from those days, because we run into each other occasionally and usually make small talk (that's how I figured you were who you were) 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on July 18, 2006, 01:10:22 PM
How will Beloit be this year under their new HC??

How many recruits are coming to campus??

Anyone with insight?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RestoreTheRoar on July 22, 2006, 12:53:53 AM
Beloit should be tough this year. They only lost three starters and six total players from last year's team. In the spring I heard they were expecting somewhere around 20-25 incoming freshman.  Heard they had a good off-season strength and conditioning program under the new coaching staff. Will be exciting to see what they can do this year. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on July 24, 2006, 11:10:17 AM
Hey Pat

Why no love for Lee Ranken FB--Beloit--led the conference in rushing--as a Jr.

All Region Team last Year--I have seen him--outstanding
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2006, 12:32:10 PM
Running back is stacked like you wouldn't believe. There's actually a guy who was on the All-American team last fall who isn't on the preseason team this year because the freshman for Mount Union passed him with his playoff performance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on July 24, 2006, 03:40:34 PM
Fair enough,

but, you have to be impressed with the numbers he put up on a squad that was so numbers depleted...if he repeats that performance he should be on the squad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on July 25, 2006, 09:20:20 AM
This Season will be very interesting,I predicted a .500 seaon for LU a year ago when they hired Howard.I wasnt that far off.Now with this recruiting class,the transfers,and the guys returning Im predicting some where around 8-2 or 9-1.This team is no joke now!!!!! Look for LU to do what people have been doing to them for years.RUNNING the score up every chance they get.The MWC is in for a rude awakening,LU is back and loaded !!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on July 25, 2006, 09:40:48 AM
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on July 25, 2006, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on July 25, 2006, 09:20:20 AM
This Season will be very interesting,I predicted a .500 seaon for LU a year ago when they hired Howard.I wasnt that far off.Now with this recruiting class,the transfers,and the guys returning Im predicting some where around 8-2 or 9-1.This team is no joke now!!!!! Look for LU to do what people have been doing to them for years.RUNNING the score up every chance they get.The MWC is in for a rude awakening,LU is back and loaded !!!!!

Better get out of the gate quick with Monmouth and SNC the first two weeks of conference play.  Some advice to the coaching staff, no matter how much you are beating Minnesota-Morris keep the starters in, the reps are crucial to success so early against the big boys of the MWC.  Getting Monmouth after Wartburg works in favor of Lawrence regardless of the outcome of the Wart vs. Monmouth game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 25, 2006, 08:27:28 PM
JUSTINTYME

you said the "transfers" in your last post...is there anyone else aside from Wren? did that schuessler kid u talked about earlier end up there?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on July 25, 2006, 09:35:59 PM
Congrats to everyone and their brothers for making the 500-MAN pre-season all american team.

MWC- 1 third team, 3 mentions

2 - Monmouth
1 - St. Norbert
1 - Beloit
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 27, 2006, 12:23:46 PM
any SNC fans know how they will be at the offensive skill positions this year? looking at the roster, it looks like they bring back some good players on defense, but the offense doesnt appear to have much...no running back with more than 146 yards and no receivers with more than 12 catches...anyone have any insight
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on July 27, 2006, 01:55:11 PM
From what i heard he did.But dont quote me on that as its second maybe third or fourth hand.But LU has a major question at QB this year as Aspenson from what i heard from a coach is ineligible due to grades.Tough break for the team.But they will be just fine.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on July 27, 2006, 05:23:24 PM
So a month or less until the Coaches Poll comes out for the conference.  Any predictions on what the order of the MWC will be this year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 27, 2006, 08:35:42 PM
JUSTINTYME, hate to break it to you, but if Aspenson is out, Lawrence wont be "just fine"

looking at the stats, he made up over 50% of their offense last year and that was after missing a game...also if you look at their schedule, they lost to Knox and Ripon in the early going, combining for 23 points in the two games....

if they play Knox later in the year, they probably win by 30 or 40..the QB has to see some live action to really get a feel for the spread option game they run...a new QB, who will certianly be less expereinced and likely less talented, learning the system on the fly drops this team from being a potential 9 to 7 win team down to a 5 or 4 win team  in my mind
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on July 28, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
I have a feeling that Lawrence will be a tough team either way their QB situation works out.  This is a team that returns all but 2 starters on defense.  I remember watching the Monmouth-Lawrence game last year and thinking that this team is gonna be a force in the Midwest Conference.  They finished strong last year year with 3 straight victories and could have easily been 6-3 on the season instead of 4-5.  Their offense will be a question mark because they lose their only reciever from last year, but do have their running game back.  I think we could see an 8-2 or 7-3 team this year out of them. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dolph Stanley on July 28, 2006, 01:20:30 PM
Anyone have any idea who plays QB for Beloit this year?  Even with a run centered offense, someone has to be able to at least make the opposition think they are capable of passing.  I know they were in on 1-2 solid QB recruits but its tough to start a freshman especially when you open the MWC with Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 31, 2006, 10:22:52 PM
anyone know if jennings will be back at QB for Illinois College this year...what about this aspenson eligibility situation...who are st. norberts offensive weapons...its august 1st tommorrow, doesnt anyone want to talk football
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on July 31, 2006, 10:27:56 PM
All I know about St. Norbert is that they have their QB back.  They lost their starting O-line along with Meehan and St. George.  Like any powerhouse, they will still be good and will not be underestimated by anyone. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on August 01, 2006, 08:41:43 AM
My son, the couch potato, says Schussler is on SNC's roster this year.  He also told me that they have a running back coming back who started ahead of Meehan a few years ago.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on August 01, 2006, 09:10:18 AM
Jennings will be back at QB for IC.  100% healthy.  They did lose their best running back Crain (transferred, out of football). 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on August 02, 2006, 06:37:58 AM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on August 01, 2006, 08:41:43 AM
My son, the couch potato, says Schussler is on SNC's roster this year.  He also told me that they have a running back coming back who started ahead of Meehan a few years ago.
The schussler kid maybe at SNC.I never got a clear answer about him.But the RB that played ahead of Meehan was Wren,and he was at LU last fall.Got injured and went home to rehab.The returned to LU During the second tri-mester(BB season)as i saw him several times doing BB games staffing as a security person.So I doubt that he is on SNC's squad this fall.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on August 02, 2006, 09:34:13 AM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on August 02, 2006, 06:37:58 AM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on August 01, 2006, 08:41:43 AM
My son, the couch potato, says Schussler is on SNC's roster this year.  He also told me that they have a running back coming back who started ahead of Meehan a few years ago.
The schussler kid maybe at SNC.I never got a clear answer about him.But the RB that played ahead of Meehan was Wren,and he was at LU last fall.Got injured and went home to rehab.The returned to LU During the second tri-mester(BB season)as i saw him several times doing BB games staffing as a security person.So I doubt that he is on SNC's squad this fall.
I wasn't talking about Wren.  It's somebody else. I just don't remember the kid's name.  I'll have to ask my boy who he is.  As far as Shussler goes I've been hearing he's coming back for two years now and I am skeptical.  However, the couch potato, who stayed in DePere this summer to lift and work with trainers, said he saw his name on the roster. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 02, 2006, 02:02:32 PM
30 days until official kickoff around division III
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 02, 2006, 07:56:32 PM
I just looked back at the stats on SNCs website papa, Meehan was their lead back the last three years and was second to wren as a freshman...the year before a sophomore named getschow led the team with wren second...so it could be that a kid was going to start over Meehan and got hurt early and is coming back or he may have gotten the names confused and it could be getschow coming back...I should point out, if it is getschow, he didn't have gaudy numbers, 608 yards rushing to lead SNC in 2002

Is St Norbert the catholic version of BYU?, guys show up, play a year or two, go on a catholic mission and return a few years later to finish their careers?  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on August 04, 2006, 07:59:05 AM
The poll is out and Monmouth gets 10!

not ranked 10, ten points.

six more points than Wartburg.

Taking into account the game is at Wartburg the line must be even.

If Monmouth loses to Wartburg the MWC teams won't get any top twentyfive votes.  This is a very important game for the whole conference.

p.s. with five WIAC teams getting more votes than the best MWC team Monmouth is left with a regional ranking of 12.  Looks like UWW or St. John's again in the playoffs for the MWC AQ. :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 04, 2006, 12:46:12 PM
The bottom line with the regional ranking is that the region is stacked.  Preseason polls don't mean much though, look at UWW.  They were 21st in last years poll at this time and they ended up getting second.  It's good to see the MWC getting a few votes at least.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BigtenBadger2006 on August 04, 2006, 08:33:55 PM
Anyone with College Football 2007 for PS2, I have created all ten MWC teams with named rosters, accurate abilities based on stats and similar playbooks for all ten teams. Rosters go 3 to 11 deep depending on position

if you are intrested in getting copy on your memory card, email me at bigtenbadger2006@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on August 06, 2006, 08:28:51 PM
So does anyone have any ideas on what is going to happen with the Monmouth/Wartburg game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on August 06, 2006, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: Jester76 on August 06, 2006, 08:28:51 PM
So does anyone have any ideas on what is going to happen with the Monmouth/Wartburg game?

Monmouth received more votes than Wartburg did in the top twentyfive poll.  Monmouth is considered the best team in the MWC and Wartburg is considered the third best team in the IIAC.  So I think it is obvious.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 06, 2006, 09:27:56 PM
obvious in what way?...I am sure the majority of people would take the top half of the IIAC over an MWC champ every day of the week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on August 06, 2006, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on August 06, 2006, 09:27:56 PM
obvious in what way?...

Wartburg is going to CRUSH the Scots! :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 08, 2006, 07:38:53 PM

Wartburg is going to CRUSH the Scots! :o
[/quote]

As Lee Corso would say.....not so fast my friend!!  This will be a hard fought game that is going to come down to the wire.  Both teams are trying to replace a QB, but return some starters on offense and defense.  This game is a great opener for both teams.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on August 11, 2006, 07:08:43 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on August 02, 2006, 07:56:32 PM
I just looked back at the stats on SNCs website papa, Meehan was their lead back the last three years and was second to wren as a freshman…the year before a sophomore named getschow led the team with wren second…so it could be that a kid was going to start over Meehan and got hurt early and is coming back or he may have gotten the names confused and it could be getschow coming back…I should point out, if it is getschow, he didn’t have gaudy numbers, 608 yards rushing to lead SNC in 2002


He is the returning back.  He had about 140 carries vs. Wren who had 110 that year and they both averaged about the same per carry.  I guess he'll be about 23 or 24 which puts him on par with the typical WIAC senior. ;)
The couch potato said he saw Schussler's name on a locker so I guess all that's left is for him to show up tomorrow to make it official.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: raiderguy on August 14, 2006, 07:06:40 PM
I know I need a life now!!!

Congratulations on the 100th page for the Midwest Conference!
Title: Belot Star
Post by: rome on August 15, 2006, 10:33:39 PM
care of www.beloit.edu

Rankinen Earns Pre-Season All-American Recognition
August 14, 2006
Lee Rankinen, a senior running back for the Buccaneer Football team, was recently recognized by Don Hansen's Football Gazette as a member of the publication's NCAA Division III Pre-Season All-American Team.
Rankinen, who rushed for 1,434 yards on 257 carries for 17 touchdowns during the 2005 season, earned Honorable Mention honors on the annual team. The 1,434 yards were the best ever for a single season in BC history while his 17 TDs were the second-best effort. For his career, he ranks #4 in both rushing yards (2,984) and rushing touchdowns (30). His average of 995 yards per season over his first three years puts him on pace to finish as the #2 rusher all-time.
The Football Gazette was started in 1987 as a way to recognize and honor small-college football and its players.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2006, 10:37:10 PM
That's the Lake Woebegone Syndrome "All-American" team. Almost 200 players on the honorable mention list alone.

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=216
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on August 16, 2006, 08:05:30 AM
Pat

I know your feelings on the topic---but he put up worthy numbers in an offense where you share the ball with 3 other backs--plus he led the MWC in rushing---lead your conference--again worthy of recognition. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 16, 2006, 02:50:17 PM
I have to agree with Rome.  Those numbers are worthy of recognition especially since teams know that the ball is going to Rankin almost every down and he still puts up numbers like that.  That's almost 5 yards a carry for him.  Thats impressive for anyone not named Reggie Bush
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2006, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: rome on August 16, 2006, 08:05:30 AM
Pat

I know your feelings on the topic---but he put up worthy numbers in an offense where you share the ball with 3 other backs--plus he led the MWC in rushing---lead your conference--again worthy of recognition. 

Well, it's a shame it wasn't real recognition, then. All this is is a marketing ploy to get Hansen's name out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on August 18, 2006, 04:06:08 PM
Any news from any of the other schools about everyone returning for camp?  I did hear that Ripon had EVERYONE return and report, which might be the first time in a long time that this has happened.  I dont know about the rest of you, but from the looks of it i might be the only one, I am getting pretty excited about this upcoming season. 

Monmouth is going to have a hell of a first game, but would not rule them out.  I hope for the MWC they beat Wartburg, to give us MWCer's alittle more credit.  Since I have been down here working and watching the IIAC I have started to realize that it is a stronger conference.  I dont know if it's the style of recruiting that is used in the IIAC (off campus) vs. MWC (on campus).  The style of the game is a lot different also in the IIAC.  So no matter who your team is lets get a little bit of a cheer going for the Scotts to beat Wartburg!!  As for the rest how about alittle cheer for Ripon to give Oshkosh a run for their money!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 18, 2006, 10:12:59 PM
Hawk Sighting, like yourself, I am getting very excited for the season

They have the radio broadcast schedule posted on the MWC football page. According to that, every game in week one will be streamed. I was thinking of starting my day in Oshkosh and ending it in Waukesha, but it may be a better afternoon/evening to sit by the computer...will you make it back for Ripons game Hawk? Going to an IIAC contest instead perhaps?

Does anyone have any reports out of any team camps? There was some good offseason gossip....some old SNC studs possibly returning, LU's QB possibly not being able to play....can anyone confirm or deny any of this stuff?

Some week one thoughts...

I really hope that Monmouth plays well against Wartburg as well. It seems like there are a lot of elements in place for them to pull an upset. New coach & new QB for wartburg, although MC has to replace their QB as well and you can't help but lose confidence after looking back at that St. Johns score.

Hawk, do you think Ripon will have a chance against Oshkosh? Is staying within 20 a moral victory here? if they can run the ball effectively and milk the clock, they may be able to stay in the game and if you stick around, you never know what might happen.

I can't recall in my days ever seeing a UAA team play, so I am interested in the Lake Forest vs. Washington game. I took a peek at Washington and Chicago's schedules the past few years and didn't come away with any answers. It seems like they played some really good teams closer than expected and got blown out by some teams you would expect them to beat. Maybe it's the travel, who knows...can anyone say what conference UAA ball is on par with?

SNC should also be interesting...never know what to expect from NAIA schools

MWC site says the coaches poll comes out Monday...what is everyones projected order of finish
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on August 21, 2006, 12:48:09 PM
fightintitan,

   I am hoping to make it to the Ripon/Oshkosh game, but it looks like i might have to settle for the Wartburg/Monmouth game.  Either way i will see a MWC team play.  After talking with a coach or two from ripon, they feel that a moral victory would be scoring between 21 and 28 points.  As for the final score I dont know what they consider a moral victory.  I do know that they will be playing for the W, and the offense that ripon runs could make for an interesting game, expesially since Oshkosh does not face the Triple option in regular season in their league. I know the def. coordinator for oshkosh pretty well and i know that he has spent the majority of his summer watching film and planning a defense to stop this.  I will be back for the Ripon/Illinois game for sure.  I am now split between my alma mater (spelling?) which is Ripon and the IIAC school that I work for, Coe.  Titan, thanks for the information on the streaming of the games, i might have to make sure to bring the lap top to the wartburg game if I am unable to make the Ripon game.  And since Coe is gone that weekend, i will won't feel as bad traveling to wartburg.

Title: MWC Outlook
Post by: rome on August 21, 2006, 01:25:16 PM
from www.midwestconfernce.org

http://www.midwestconference.org/FB_PrePoll_2006.pdf

Monmouth 1--SNC--2


I don't know what I am more shocked about--Beloit @ 8 or the Spread Offense being used by the Bucs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 21, 2006, 11:48:58 PM
I think the most suprising is the 7 spot that Lawrence took.  They will be a top 5 conference team this year
Title: Beloit on the Air
Post by: rome on August 23, 2006, 08:09:51 AM
from  www.beloit.edu



ESPN Radio 1380 to Broadcast Beloit College Football
August 22, 2006



BELOIT, WI – The Beloit College Athletic Department and ESPN Radio 1380 "The Jock" have agreed to broadcast all ten Buccaneer Football games for the 2006 season, beginning with the September 2 season and home opener against Macalester College at Strong Stadium in Beloit.

The games, which will include nine live broadcasts and one tape-delayed broadcast, will air in the Southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois area on WTJK (1380 AM). In addition to the live broadcasts on WTJK, the games will also be available through web broadcasts on the ESPN Radio 1380 web site (www.espn1380.com). A schedule of the games and broadcast times can be found at the website as well as at the Beloit College Athletic website (www.beloit.edu).

"Our partnership with ESPN Radio 1380 will greatly increase the promotion of our Football program, as well as the Beloit College Athletic program and the entire college," said Kim Chandler, Beloit Director of Athletics. "We see this agreement as a very positive step forward in bringing the mission of Beloit College to a larger audience. Our plan for these broadcasts is to include other aspects of our Athletic program as well as the workings of our dynamic campus life."

Each broadcast will include a 25-minute pre-game show as well as a post-game show. The broadcast team will feature local media member Andy Gannon on play-by-play along with Kyle Jacob as the color commentator. Gannon and Jacob also team up for Hononegah High School Football and Basketball, as well as Beloit Snappers Baseball and Rock River Raptors Football on WTJK.

ESPN Radio 1380 "The Jock" General Manager Keith Williams said that "as the Stateline's only full-time sports station, ESPN Radio 1380 is proud to be a part of such a great tradition in Beloit. Beloit College alumni, parents and faithful fans will be able to hear the action all season long."

ESPN Radio 1380 is also the home of NASCAR, Marquette University Men's Basketball, the Chicago Bulls and Major League Baseball as well as the regular ESPN Radio line-up of Mike and Mike in the Morning, Colin Cowherd, The Jim Rome Show and The Dan Patrick Show.

ESPN Radio 1380 "The Jock" is owned by Good Karma Broadcasting, LLC, which owns and operates eight radio stations and the FLATO.com website in Wisconsin, Illinois and Florida.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 23, 2006, 09:35:07 PM
Looks like I found this board a year to late  ???

It was very lively a year ago this time, time to start calling people out!

where are...
xsnd47
meachscribe
maverick
sncfb74
ticker
Old Fighting Scot
Go Hawks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on August 23, 2006, 09:42:00 PM
Not official, offical, but from a good source...

Eric Aspensen is not at school for practice.  He is at home, and will not be attending Lawrence University this year. 

No Aspensen means a very unsettled QB situation for LU, and maybe that 7th place finish is warrented.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 23, 2006, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: larry_u on August 23, 2006, 09:42:00 PM

No Aspensen means a very unsettled QB situation for LU, and maybe that 7th place finish is warrented.

Fair enough.  I think without their QB Lawrence could finish down that far.  I know that you can count them out of the top 4 in the conference
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 25, 2006, 12:54:33 PM
so with camps wrapping up and the football season just a week away, any standouts at the camps or any predictions on people gonna have some big seasons
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on August 25, 2006, 03:27:12 PM
Lawrence will be just fine this fall.The QB position will not be as heavily realied upon as it was last fall.Dont get me wrong the qb is the most important position on the field from a game managment standpoint,but there will be many playmakers for whoever is under center to get the ball to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 25, 2006, 08:58:41 PM
JUSTINTYEM,


Any idea who the new QB will be?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on August 27, 2006, 08:04:06 PM
In my opinion this young man(Tyler Ankney, QB, Lindenhurst, Ill., Carmel High School)
is the most talented Qb Lawrence has on their roster and will take the reigns of LU's spread offence.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotsR BetterThanU on August 27, 2006, 10:42:16 PM
Tyler Ankney, QB, Lindenhurst, Ill., Carmel High School

Someone remind me what offense Carmel High School runs.....oh yeah double wing pound the rock and throw once every two years.  Yeah he will be a great spread offense QB. I could be wrong but when a team typically puts up 300-400 rushing yards a game you don't see much passing. 

Go Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on August 28, 2006, 06:49:39 PM
Seth finally made it back to SNC today.  I hear he's almost as big as an o lineman and still pretty fast.  I just hope they can get the ball to him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 29, 2006, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on August 23, 2006, 09:35:07 PM
Looks like I found this board a year to late  ???

It was very lively a year ago this time, time to start calling people out!

where are...
xsnd47
meachscribe
maverick
sncfb74
ticker
Old Fighting Scot
Go Hawks


Just don't have as much time these days as I did in the past years.  I'll try to make it on here a little more often once the season starts though...just for you, fightintitan!  :)

FCB - How's it goin?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on August 30, 2006, 12:43:37 PM
FightinTitian,

   Looks like I willbe making the Ripon vs. Oshkosh game.  Might even be tailgating.  How is the tailgating scene over in Oshkosh.  Will you be present for the game? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on August 30, 2006, 04:52:38 PM
Well after watching practice I am sure of one thing.I was wrong on who would be the starting QB.I didnt know LU had a transfer from Plateville.The starting QB for LU will be Sophmore transfer Nick Maxam.So there you have the LU QB story.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on August 30, 2006, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on August 01, 2006, 08:41:43 AM
My son, the couch potato, says Schussler is on SNC's roster this year.  He also told me that they have a running back coming back who started ahead of Meehan a few years ago.
I see is on the roster, and not on the 2-deep.WOW that surprises me.But who is this tail back you talked about.I see two familier names on the 2-deep at tailback and both are young guys.Word on the guys name?????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnightsBackOnTop06 on August 30, 2006, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on August 30, 2006, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on August 01, 2006, 08:41:43 AM
My son, the couch potato, says Schussler is on SNC's roster this year.  He also told me that they have a running back coming back who started ahead of Meehan a few years ago.
I see is on the roster, and not on the 2-deep.WOW that surprises me.But who is this tail back you talked about.I see two familier names on the 2-deep at tailback and both are young guys.Word on the guys name?????

Schussler isn't on the 2-deep because he just arrived at SNC a couple days ago and hasn't even put on pads yet.  He did, however, practice Tuesday with the team, but didn't participate in the team contact drills.  It really is up in the air to when/if he will play this week.  The guy has been in Iraq for the past year, so don't look for Purtill to jump on his back and ride him onto the field against Olivet, although I could see him doing that.  The tailback's name is Alec Getschow, which I saw someone put up his name earlier.  The TB position is going to be interesting to see who comes out on top.  Getschow is more of a power runner while Phillips is a speedy guy.  Phillips has an edge, but its all going to depend on whether he can take the beating with his small body (only in the 170 lb. range)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on August 30, 2006, 11:36:52 PM
 http://www.pressgazettenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

There's a good SNC preview in the Green Bay Press Gazette by Pat Johnson, a former Knight O-lineman and current sports journalist/Strohs drinker.
Schussler practiced today at the D-tackle position and put on a show I'm told.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 31, 2006, 12:43:52 PM
I'm gonna throw out some predictions for this weekends games.....

Millikin at Illinois College -- Milikin uses experienced D to win
Eureka at Knox -- Knox wins big (It takes a lot for a Scot to say that)
Ripon at UW-Oshkosh -- Oshkosh wins big.   The WIAC is too good of a conference
Macalester at Beloit -- Beloit shows off the spread and wins
Kenyon at Grinnell -- Could be Grinnells only win of the year
Washington (MO) at Lake Forest --  LF starts the season off right   
St. Norbert at Olivet Nazarene -- It will be close, but ONU is too good
Carthage at Carroll -- This one is at Carroll this year so I think Carroll gets the advantage
Monmouth at Wartburg -- This will be one of the best games of the year......I think it's gonna come down to the last drive and Monmouth pulls it out by less than 3
Lawrence at Minnesota-Morris -- Lawrence will show that they have a great D and win
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on August 31, 2006, 12:49:16 PM
Go Hawks is in the house.  Start the Ripon bashing.  I forgot about this site until I read an article in JournalSentinel today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2006, 05:41:17 PM
Scottie is back in the football house.  Good luck to the Scots this Saturday.  I hope the game lives up to the hype (or, that Monmouth blows them out).

Good luck to the rest of the MWC teams, as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnightsBackOnTop06 on August 31, 2006, 05:49:56 PM
I wouldn't be too quick to say Olivet is too good in the game with Norbs.  They have been right around the .500 mark for the past couple years.  Granted, they are a D2 scholarship school, a look at last year's team doesn' t give them a huge edge, if an edge at all.  Look for Norb's to try to establish their running game early to test their young line.  If the line gels early, I think the Knights will tear Olivet's D apart if they run a similar defense to last year (with safeties being run first mentality).  If Norbs can establish any run early, look for Cody Craig to have a big passing day with the new receivers.  I've heard Craig has had a hell of a camp and has improved his game tremedously.  The defense is really strong, with almost no holes in the lineup, and maybe even a little dose of Schussler, who I heard has picked up where he left off as far as intesity and raw strength...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 31, 2006, 08:43:51 PM
knightsontop, I agree with your assessment, although I believe Olivet is NAIA

Hawksighting, unfortunately I will be attending a high school game that a good friends son will be playing in...believe it or not I have only made it to a handful of Oshkosh games over the past few years. The stadium is beautiful and I am sure there will be plenty of tailgating.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Downtown on September 01, 2006, 11:40:55 AM
I'm wondering if someone can help me here on this board by telling me what Ripon does offensively? Seeing that Bob Faulds, the starting QB, was the team's leading rusher last season with 559 yards while the total team rushing was over 2500 yards?

Thanks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 01, 2006, 12:08:14 PM
Ripon now runs a southern veer or slotbone offense with two wings and a fullback and other such combinations.  You will option, option, dive etc.  Rick Coles runs the offense and had great success at LU and Coe running this.  It can be tricky to stop and I enjoy watching it moreso than your typical offensive scheme. 

I think Oshkosh will be a tough test for Ripon.  10 years ago I have no doubt those Ripon teams would have beat Oshkosh.  I am glad to see this game happening no matter the outcome and hope they continue it.  I doesn't hurt recruiting and gives kids a chance to play against many of the guys the faced in the area in high school.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 01, 2006, 12:19:36 PM
Nothing like watching the triple option.  It's exciting, you never know who has the ball until last minute.  I agree with you Go Hawks, that I am glad that this game is happening and I am very excited to watch it tomorrow.  Ripon has a great returning QB, great returning backs/slots.  And a returning offensive line minus their center.  I feel that tomorrow is going to be one H3ll off a show.  GO REDHAWKS!!!!!!!!!   Also good luck tomorrow to all of the MCW's expessially Monmouth, take out Wartburg!! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 01, 2006, 02:17:51 PM
Well I guess it's time to end my off-season.  School is starting again as will my posts.

While I cannot share the same enthusiasm about Ripon's offense, it does put up gaudy numbers in the rushing attack.   I would prefer the occasional pass (not screen) as appose to Ripon's RARE passing (granted I was a receiver), but the triple option is extremely effective and give RC good ball control. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 01, 2006, 08:17:05 PM
well the fact that Faulds ran for 4 TDs last year and threw for another against IC in the same game tells you that they are successful.  A little passing would be nice every once in a while.  Teams kinda know what is coming against Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 01, 2006, 11:54:55 PM
Spread offense and 3 freshmen QBs doesn't sound like a very good combination. Good thing it's only Macalester this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 12:24:44 AM
FYI - The Monmouth - Wartburg game kicks off at 7:00 p.m.  You can hear it online at www.go-knights.net

Whether your raising a toast to your team after a victory tomorrow afternoon, or drowning your sorrows after a loss, I hope you can sit back and cheer on the Scots tomorrow night.   Go MWC!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 04:35:56 PM
Ripon got Throttled today as Oshkosh went Nuts all over them 57-0. heres the stats http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/livestats/xlive.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 05:29:04 PM
Kiltman85 got the Norby game wrong.SNC Hurts Olivet Nazarene 31-13 and it was never even close.It was 31-0 before Olivet got 2 late scores.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 08:22:14 PM
2:33 left in the first quarter...Wartburg 3 - 0.

Scores on the MWC web page so far:

Kenyon 57, at Grinnell 31
Millikin 24, at Illinois College 20
at Knox 23, Eureka 0
at UW-Oshkosh 57, Ripon 0 
at Beloit 10, Macalester 0 
Washington (MO) 21, at Lake Forest 6
St. Norbert 31, at Olivet Nazarene 13

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 08:28:00 PM
I cant listen to the LU game so if someone could give updates that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 08:51:25 PM
Monmouth down 3-0 at half.  Obviously, both teams are searching for their offensive rhythm...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 08:53:39 PM
ARGGGGGGG,I cant get the LU game cause my PC wont run realplayer.This just ticks me off.Everyone should run WMP.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on September 02, 2006, 08:53:56 PM
Listening to it as well Scottie. Sounds like Wartburg can move the ball, but no consistency. Not much in the way of running the football for the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 09:04:49 PM
According to the Appleton Paper LU was down 3-0 in the second Qtr when the the webcast shutdown.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 09:22:02 PM
Scots D keeps the Knights out of the end zone... Wartburg 6-0 in 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 09:40:09 PM
Daniels loses a fumble on a sure touch down.  Wartburg goes down to score.  13-0 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2006, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 02, 2006, 09:40:09 PM
Daniels loses a fumble on a sure touch down.  Wartburg goes down to score.  13-0 in the 3rd.

That hurts bigtime...

Keep the updates coming, scottie.  I didn't get the real player downloaded on my computer before tonight's game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on September 02, 2006, 09:51:04 PM
Wartburg up 13-0 but Monmouth inside 10. Heating up offensively
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 09:53:22 PM
Timeout on the field.  9:03 left in game.  Monmouth has the ball...4th down and around (or inside) the 10 yd line...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on September 02, 2006, 09:54:02 PM
KNights D holds
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 09:54:34 PM
They went for it, and fumbled.  (BLEEP!)

Hold 'em down there Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on September 02, 2006, 09:55:30 PM
How do you look at this Scottie? Missed Opportunities for both teams or Good D? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2006, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 02, 2006, 09:54:34 PM
They went for it, and fumbled.  (BLEEP!)

Hold 'em down there Scots!

Again, that hurts bigtime.  Have to get an immediate stop on this series to have a chance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 09:58:34 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on September 02, 2006, 09:55:30 PM
How do you look at this Scottie? Missed Opportunities for both teams or Good D? ???

From the sound of it, there's a lot of early season rust to work off.  As I said on your board, you can tell that both of these QB's are new. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 10:02:51 PM
Carthage comes back and scores 10 unanswered to beat Carroll
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 10:05:12 PM
Knights march 92 yards for a touchdown.  20-0 with 2:22 left in game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2006, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 02, 2006, 10:05:12 PM
Knights march 92 yards for a touchdown.  20-0 with 2:22 left in game. 

Sounds like that should finish this one off.  From what you guys have been saying, it appears that there's ALOT of early season rust to be worked off.  Unfortunately that fumble on a sure touchdown (what scottie called it) where Monmouth could've tied it at 6 and possibly taken the lead at 7-6 with the PAT, followed by Wartburg going the other way with it for a 13-0 lead, sounds like it was a bit of a deciding factor/turning point in this game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2006, 10:16:43 PM
Final 20-0.  Mav, from the sound of the announcers, Daniels got chased down and had the ball knocked loose as he seemed destined for paydirt.  (Now, of course I didn't see the play so there may be a different interpretation by someone who was there...)  But, that was a big momentum shift in the game.  We likely would have gone up 7-6, and should have scored again on the drive after that.  What do they say about IF's and BUT's???

The box score should point out some work needed on the offensive side of the ball.  Too early to tell how this performance relates to the MWC schedule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2006, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 02, 2006, 10:16:43 PM
Final 20-0.  Mav, from the sound of the announcers, Daniels got chased down and had the ball knocked loose as he seemed destined for paydirt.  (Now, of course I didn't see the play so there may be a different interpretation by someone who was there...)  But, that was a big momentum shift in the game.  We likely would have gone up 7-6, and should have scored again on the drive after that.  What do they say about IF's and BUT's???

The box score should point out some work needed on the offensive side of the ball.  Too early to tell how this performance relates to the MWC schedule.


Agreed on all counts there, scottie.  I'd have to say it is encouraging to see how the defense must've played well and kept MC in this one for much of the night (only 6-0 for quite awhile), just from seeing how the score went along throughout the game.  Again, the box score will tell the truth on that as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 10:26:05 PM
LU is up 21-6 with 5 minutes to go.But Morris is moving
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 10:28:54 PM
Morris fumbles and LU recovers at their own 3.LU goes 3 and out and takes the safety,21-8.Morris gets the free kick and Returns it to LU territory near the 35 yard line.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 02, 2006, 10:35:30 PM
LU wins 21-8.
Title: Beloit 1-0
Post by: rome on September 03, 2006, 11:10:33 AM
Congratulations to Coach Brann and the Beloit Staff
10-0 victory on Saturday.

Now go to Carrol and get the Trophy back!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnightsBackOnTop06 on September 03, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
If anyone listened to the Norb's game, they simply dominated both sides of the ball, for the most part.  The defense seemed strong, and got some help by ONU by dropping some balls, including an early touchdown.  Like I thought, the Knights had trouble starting the run game, but got enough going to keep ONU's safeties in the box to open up the top for O'Connell and Forstrom.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say O'Connell will come from nowhere and turn into the best receiver in the league this year, if the Knights can balance their attack and get some help from the other receivers.  I believe he ended yesterday with 6 rec., 209 yds, and a TD.  Like I said before the game, Craig has matured tremendously and made a ton of wise decisions yesterday, and the team functioned well at the mid point of the game.  The Knights had the ball twice inside the 15 in the first quarter and fumbled and had a field goal blocked, but the drives that got them there were impressive for the first couple on the year.  I think, more than anything, that game should come as a message to the MWC, Norbert's isn't dropping talent wise and are out to get their title back...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 03, 2006, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: KnightsBackOnTop06 on September 03, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
If anyone listened to the Norb's game, they simply dominated both sides of the ball, for the most part.  The defense seemed strong, and got some help by ONU by dropping some balls, including an early touchdown.  Like I thought, the Knights had trouble starting the run game, but got enough going to keep ONU's safeties in the box to open up the top for O'Connell and Forstrom.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say O'Connell will come from nowhere and turn into the best receiver in the league this year, if the Knights can balance their attack and get some help from the other receivers.  I believe he ended yesterday with 6 rec., 209 yds, and a TD.  Like I said before the game, Craig has matured tremendously and made a ton of wise decisions yesterday, and the team functioned well at the mid point of the game.  The Knights had the ball twice inside the 15 in the first quarter and fumbled and had a field goal blocked, but the drives that got them there were impressive for the first couple on the year.  I think, more than anything, that game should come as a message to the MWC, Norbert's isn't dropping talent wise and are out to get their title back...
I watched the game and agree that SNC looked good but ONU was pretty unimpressive.  The running game was passable but needs to improve.  I think the O-line(no returning starters) will open up a lot more holes for the backs as the season progresses and they did well by not allowing any sacks.  Cody Craig did well with over 300yds passing and no int's.  Judd O'Connell made some great catches.  The SND played tough allowing less than 80 yds rushing with three picks.  I would have liked to have seen a few sacks and a shut out though.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2006, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: KnightsBackOnTop06 on September 03, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
I think, more than anything, that game should come as a message to the MWC, Norbert's isn't dropping talent wise and are out to get their title back...

Not trying to be a wise-ass, but has there been talk by people about SNC's talent level dropping recently?  I hadn't thought anything like that and hadn't heard it from anyone else that I can remember either.  If there has been, I don't know where it would come from...I mean, it's not like they lost a bunch of MWC games last year that would make people think that way--just the one against Monmouth and that was a close game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 03, 2006, 08:03:43 PM
Norbert doesnt need to send a message.People know what they've done.But I will say this,i think other teams are starting to catch up to them.Its more of what the other teams are doing now,not what Norb's isnt doing.Norbert people need to get off thier HIGH horse and start respecting everyone else.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 03, 2006, 10:46:57 PM
As much as I enjoy being able to come on these message boards and converse about football at this level we love, d3football.com can be a real joke at times...for instance, the first paragraph from the headline story on the site today reads "UW-La Crosse struck a blow for Division III on Saturday night, upsetting Division I South Dakota State"

I didn't realize the football crusades had begun and DIII football was out to smite the other larger NCAA divisions for their years of injustice...when did this war begin???
what's wrong with just plain being good in division III, do teams really strive for some sort of validation by beating a larger division team

Good luck to D3football.com, the WIAC and Mount Union on their conquest to overtake college football ...hopefully some schools will petition to play up in the DII playoffs this year and bring home a DI-AA title by 2012, so all of DIII football can bask in its glory...go on and fight mighty crusaders
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2006, 11:26:37 PM
What's wrong with celebrating an accomplishment for the Division as a whole? You do understand, right, that the rest of college football tends to think of D-III as a joke? Shouldn't we honor that which makes the entire Division look good?

Also, to the "blue stud" from Illinois College who attempted to register with a fake e-mail address -- seriously, read the directions. We aren't joking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on September 04, 2006, 05:31:57 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 03, 2006, 10:46:57 PM
d3football.com can be a real joke at times…

Sour grapes from the MWC, what a shock.


When your best team can't beat the third best team in another conference of course you are going to feel inadequate.  Don't let the lack of talent in your conference begrudge another team from another conference for beating a good team that shouldn't have any business losing to a DIII institution.

Here is the headline D3football.com should have gone with.

"MWC once again proves it is a less than mediocre conference."

As far as an assesment of the WIAC goes all I can say is, looking good Ripon. :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 04, 2006, 09:00:27 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on September 04, 2006, 05:31:57 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 03, 2006, 10:46:57 PM
d3football.com can be a real joke at times...

Sour grapes from the MWC, what a shock.


When your best team can't beat the third best team in another conference of course you are going to feel inadequate.  Don't let the lack of talent in your conference begrudge another team from another conference for beating a good team that shouldn't have any business losing to a DIII institution.

Here is the headline D3football.com should have gone with.

"MWC once again proves it is a less than mediocre conference."

As far as an assesment of the WIAC goes all I can say is, looking good Ripon. :P

Maybe this conference should drop football altogether.  Competion being what it is, the only thing that matters is winning.  From what I've seen a lot of the fans of DIII football don't appreciate or understand the spirit of it.  I don't think DIII's intention was to try and compete in the other divisions and if a DIII team is good enough to compete at the next level it should move there.  I know this won't happen because the guys at the top of the small DIII hill like it there.  Of course, I could be wrong I have been before.  I have more respect for someone who suits up week after week for a Knox or Grinnell than anyone who does the same for Mt Union or St Johns.  But these are the "mediocre""less than mediocre" players no one needs, aren't they?     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Observation Deck on September 04, 2006, 09:22:31 AM
When the Midwest Conference drops down to D4, you won't have to worry about what the D3Football.com headlines are.

Also, coocoo, they could have used your headline, but that isn't exactly NEWS, is it?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 04, 2006, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: The Observation Deck on September 04, 2006, 09:22:31 AM
When the Midwest Conference drops down to D4, you won't have to worry about what the D3Football.com headlines are.

Also, coocoo, they could have used your headline, but that isn't exactly NEWS, is it?  ;)
Thank you for reaffirming my observations of DIII fans, not necessarily on the whole, mostly the ones who post on this site. :(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Observation Deck on September 04, 2006, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on September 04, 2006, 09:45:28 AM
Thank you for reaffirming my observations of DIII fans, not necessarily on the whole, mostly the ones who post on this site. :(

Sounds like you would be happier playing intramurals like the NESCAC. Division III doesn't exist in a vacuum, there's plenty of other schools on the planet to draw comparisons to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2006, 12:20:42 PM
Not sure what to think of Beloits 10-0 win. To be honest it was a tough game to watch, so tough to watch that I left at the half. No ground game to speak of until they got out of the spread so I think that might be wise thinking for the rest of the season. Keep some blockers in and go out of the I or a split backfield. Rankinen is pretty mortal when he's met at the line by multiple defenders.

The O line is on the small size and I'm not sure what can be done about that. Let them grow a couple years and this could be a contending team. The talent is there just not the size or experience. I doubt they are an 8th place team as the coaches poll suggests, but if you're not 1st or 2nd you don't play in the championship game.

For now I'd say dance with the one that brung ya, i.e. run the ball, and worry about a new system later. Then of course keep Mount Union off the schedule for a year or two for obvious reasons.

Work will determine whether I can go to Carroll or not, but I'd like to. Not once in all my years of following the Bucs have I been to an away football game. There's an Apple store one exit away from Carroll and it's a pay day weekend, so there is an alterior motive. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnightsBackOnTop06 on September 04, 2006, 12:44:55 PM
I was just pointing out that when SNC lost their stranglehold on the conference last year, even if just by one game, and then graduated almost their entire offense, you cannot help but to see how skeptics and fans alike were left with question marks on how the team could react and play this year with an unproven and unexperienced offense, moreover the offensive line.  SNC fell off the D3 map with their 2 loss season last year in the preseason poll, while that certain other team got 10 votes.  When you graduate your school's all-time leading rusher and his line, it is a huge void to fill.  I was just saying that the team responded well, and even though they have much to improve on, the offense looked good for their first game together.  The other teams around the MWC are raising their talent level also, that is becoming evident, but I'm so sick of the MWC vs. WIAC fights that are always on this board.  Its beating a dead horse.  Yes, historically, the WIAC has had the stronger conference over the past decade or more, but they also don't have the $30,000 private school tuition and selective ACT admission scores.  With all respect to Ripon, they have not been listed with the powerhouses of the conference, so to use their game vs. UWO as a barometer of MWC vs. WIAC isn't really realistic.

Quote from: Maverick on September 03, 2006, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: KnightsBackOnTop06 on September 03, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
I think, more than anything, that game should come as a message to the MWC, Norbert's isn't dropping talent wise and are out to get their title back...

Not trying to be a wise-ass, but has there been talk by people about SNC's talent level dropping recently?  I hadn't thought anything like that and hadn't heard it from anyone else that I can remember either.  If there has been, I don't know where it would come from...I mean, it's not like they lost a bunch of MWC games last year that would make people think that way--just the one against Monmouth and that was a close game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2006, 01:19:49 PM
With the high octane/"system football"  ;D Monmouth Scots getting blanked I see no reason why St. Norbert shouldn't be considered the favorite this year. However, while the MWC may be improving I still  think we're a first round bye for whomever we meet in the playoffs. I wish that would change but I've wished that for a long time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnightsBackOnTop06 on September 04, 2006, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: "The Roop" on September 04, 2006, 01:19:49 PM
With the high octane/"system football"  ;D Monmouth Scots getting blanked I see no reason why St. Norbert shouldn't be considered the favorite this year. However, while the MWC may be improving I still  think we're a first round bye for whomever we meet in the playoffs. I wish that would change but I've wished that for a long time.

Don't forget SNC's first round win a couple years ago, and how they dominated UW-Lacrosse in the first half of their first round playoff two years ago that never should have gotten away.  As the talent level of the conference rises, the playoff teams will be stronger.  I think it is a matter of playing teams of higher talent levels consistently that will help.  In the past, the playoff team has been able to stroll through their schedule with the exception of a couple games a year, and then get shocked by a team that is used to high levels of competition week in and week out.  That is what it will take to boost this conference in the national playoffs.  Look at Monmouth last year.  After beating SNC in week 3, they had 6 weeks of relatively easy wins over the rest of the conference, and then walked into St. John's, and, well, yeah....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 04, 2006, 03:59:47 PM
Papa...good to see someone else gets it and good to see other posters proving my point for me. Also, great point about Grinnell and Knox, I agree wholeheartedly.


If a D4 forms I hope the MWC is the first to sign up and if the IIAC joins to, I still wouldn't be bothered if the third-best IIAC school beat the MWC's top school...it is a matter of the principles that DIII was founded on and not necessarily winning and losing...the question I pose to anyone is how long after a D4 formed, would the bottom feeders of the WIAC or the NJAC try to loophole there way down to D4 for there chance at an easy national championship?


Coocoo, I just have to ask, is Cedar Rapids so far behind the times that grunge is just getting big?  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2006, 06:30:08 PM
I don't know if there would be a national championship in Division IV. When D-IV was a more serious likelihood a few years ago, that was part of the discussion.

Seriously, we hear from people occasionally that don't want us to write about D-III players in the pros and don't want us to write about D-III playing other divisions. But we aren't going to ignore news just to make some people feel better. This is news, and it's big news, and we're going to cover it.

If it happened to the MWC people would be all over it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 04, 2006, 07:32:04 PM
Of course we would Pat.Cause All MWC schools are Private and cost 4 times more than any state school.Plus they only have about 1,500 undergrads.Heck most state school freshmen classes are atleast twice that.Most WIAC school get all the D-1AA and D2 type athletes from wiscsonsin since we only have 1 D-1 football team and the rest are D3 around here.They get better athletes in the WIAC.So I sure as heck hope they can compete with the lower level D1AA programs and D2 programs.If they cant its coaching not the athletes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 04, 2006, 07:35:33 PM
Pat,

I don't fault you or your website for covering this story and I agree that it is big news in a larger context

I got off on my high horse because I am disappointed with the direction Division III athletics continues to travel in.

As such a large proponent of DIII athletics I am sure you understand the history of this level and while you may not agree with my opinions, I think you understand where my frustrations are rooted.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2006, 07:38:15 PM
There is a D4, but it exists only on my blog, and is basketball only.

No disrespect to UW-L but I think it proves that South Dakota State is better suited to the Pioneer League than they are to any resemblance of a D1 program.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2006, 07:46:47 PM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on September 04, 2006, 07:32:04 PM
Of course we would Pat.Cause All MWC schools are Private and cost 4 times more than any state school.Plus they only have about 1,500 undergrads.Heck most state school freshmen classes are atleast twice that.Most WIAC school get all the D-1AA and D2 type athletes from wiscsonsin since we only have 1 D-1 football team and the rest are D3 around here.They get better athletes in the WIAC.So I sure as heck hope they can compete with the lower level D1AA programs and D2 programs.If they cant its coaching not the athletes.

Yeah, yeah, we actually already know this. The excuses don't change year after year.

By the way, I haven't seen anyone from the MWC complain about the WIAC's move some years back to limit itself to 100 players on the roster. That has helped raise the MWC schools' talent level quite a bit, no?

Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 04, 2006, 07:35:33 PM
I got off on my high horse because I am disappointed with the direction Division III athletics continues to travel in.

Well, I can see where that might be distressing to some but I believe the kids want to compete. That's what we're trying to encourage. You and I both have lines in the sand, but they're drawn in different places.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 04, 2006, 08:07:45 PM
 No problem Pat.Your Point made.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 04, 2006, 10:06:38 PM
Pat

Continue to promote the quality in all of D3 many of us appriciate the effort.

It is unfortunate that MWC gets a bum rap--but it is what is, until the conference can string together a few victories in the post season everyone will continue to stomp the MWC
SNC has done a good job over the years--99 playing a tight game with Augie, beating St. Thomas in the regalur season, the playoff win etc.

However, St. Johns putting a pounding on them and the Scots (like they would to 90% of D3) only sets us back...


On a personal note: It is sad to see the Beloit Wing-T die away...For the better part of 15+ years it served the college and the team well--I hope the new coach can build the numbers and return beloit to be among the top teams in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on September 04, 2006, 10:32:33 PM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on September 04, 2006, 07:32:04 PMCause All MWC schools are Private and cost 4 times more than any state school.
I know a hand full of guys who have gone to a MWC school who paid less than me going to a WIAC school thanks to all the "grants" they received. ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Go Hawks on September 05, 2006, 11:58:38 AM
I was at the Ripon/Oshkosh game and did notice a few things first and foremost.  Oshkosh and most WIAC schools have better athletes, hands down, that is the huge difference.  Every guy at UWO was an inch or 2 taller and probably 15-20 lbs bigger and just as fast.  I think Ripon played okay in the first half and held it close, turnovers and penalities (such as 2 personal fouls) certainly do not help when playing a much better team.

The debate is old and stupid...this isn't basketball where everyone competes on the same level, the WIAC is simply a football machine and I am okay with that.  Guys go to Ripon to continue to play and get an education, there seems to be more at stake, namely national titles at WIAC schools.  Most kids realize at Ripon and other MWC schools that winning the conference is the big deal and making the playoffs gives them an extra game.  Competing on a national level will never happen in the MWC, period.  SNC had many chances and still haven't reached that point..now other schools have caught up to them and the conference is balanced again. 

Oshkosh holds something like 15-13 advantage all time over Ripon, having last played in 1987...so 20+ years ago and beyond it was a different world in DIII football where it was more level.  Now, it seems they are paying coaches a good chunk of change to turn their programs around in the WIAC and even in the MWC so as much as others will say DIII hasn't take the step, I dare any of you to watch a WIAC team play anyone else outside of their conference and see the difference in talent, coaching and how important it is to be No. 1, not just giving kids another opportunity to shape their lives being leaders like I feel this conference is about.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 06, 2006, 03:04:10 PM
Early!  Good to hear from you again.  You going to be able to make it to a game this year and if so which one?  Well gentleman we are about 3 days away from kick off to the regular season.  After sitting and witnessing the oshkosh vs ripon game I have come to the same conclusion as Go Hawk.  Oshkosh is bigger then Ripon.  But Oshkosh is not 57 points better then Ripon.  I am glad that Ripon had the chance to play against this high caliber team, this will show Ripon what it will take to became a conference championship team and a play off ready team.  Also Ripon has 3 more years against Oshkosh which will only help them get better. 

Anyone want to shoot out predictions for this weekend?!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 06, 2006, 06:04:45 PM
The problem is oshkosh is 57 points better than Ripon as that was the final score.You cant debate that,because its fact!!!! But I good luck to all this weekend,and GO VIKES!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 06, 2006, 08:57:58 PM
Here are my predictions go hawks

Knox at Illinois College - IC is the first league team to see Knox's new running attack (are there any Knox fans out there, is that an oxymoron, if so, what do they run out of...is it an option offense?)...I say Jennings picks Knox apart, but Knox manages to grind out some drives and time, so it doesn't get as high scoring as you would expect...34-13 IC

Lake Forest at Ripon – Ripon's grind it out offense against what looks to be a stellar Forester defense. I say 3-3 at the end of regulation and Ripon wins 9-3 in OT.

Beloit at Carroll – I think Beloit's offense will click later in the season, ala Lawrence last season, but in week two, I  see Carroll handling them 35-12.

Grinnell at St. Norbert – Grinnell's defense wont be stopping St. Norbert, but the Grinnell offense may keep it interesting for a quarter, maybe even two...53-20 SNC

Lawrence at Monmouth – tough to tell where both teams are...Monmouth's defense seems to be ahead of the offense and new qb right now, but LU's stats from game one don't reveal much...I want to say LU upsets, but cant...28-20 MC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 07, 2006, 09:54:53 AM
from www.beloit.edu


BELOIT COLLEGE BUCCANEERS (1-0, 0-0 MWC)
vs.
CARROLL COLLEGE PIONEERS (0-1, 0-0 MWC)

Saturday, September 9, 2006, 1:30 p.m.
Schneider Stadium, Waukesha, Wisconsin

THE GAME: The Beloit College Buccaneers hit the road for the first time in 2006 as they travel to Waukesha to open Midwest Conference play against the Pioneers of Carroll College.

BROADCAST: WTJK, ESPN Radio 1380 "The Jock," will handle this game and every game during the 2006 season. Kyle Jacob will handle the play-by-play while Andy Gannon will provide color commentary. The broadcast begins with the pre-game show at 1:05 p.m.
The game can also be heard through Webcast. Get the link at either www.beloit.edu or at www.espn1380.com.

THE SERIES: The Buccaneers and Pioneers are meeting for the 32nd time, with Beloit holding an 18-13 advantage. The most recent game was last season in Waukesha, when the Pioneers took a 31-21 victory (see next item), giving them two straight wins in the series and wins in five of the last seven meetings, going back to the 1999 season. Beloit won back-to-back games in 2002 at home and in 2003 in Waukesha. They won eight of nine contests between 1950 and 1993 to establish their series advantage.

LAST TIME VS. PIONEERS: Carroll used a 17-point second quarter and held on for the 31-21 win in Waukesha on October 8, 2005. CC's Bryce Crocker opened the scoring with a 29-yard TD run less than four minutes into the game before Seth Feldner answered with a four-yard TD to cap a nine-play drive and tie it at 7-all after one quarter. The Pioneers exploded for three straight scores in the second quarter – Brian Jachimek on a 26-yard field goal, a Crocker two-yard run and a 23-yard scoring pass from Chris Rogers to Adam Fletcher – before Mike Pangborn caught a 12-yard scoring pass from Nate Skelton as the first half clock expired to make it 24-145, Carroll, at the break. Crocker scored his third TD of the game early in the third quarter to make it 31-14 before Feldner got his second score of the day on a seven-yard pass from Skelton with 9:31 to play in the fourth. CC amassed 418 yards in offense on the day, 247 on the ground, while the Bucs were held to 291, 212 rushing. Lee Rankinen had 152 yards rushing on 30 carries to lead the way while Crocker finished with 118 yards on 14 carries and his three TDs.

BUCCANEERS LAST TIME OUT: Lee Rankinen rushed for 132 yards and a touchdown and set up a field goal with a 60-yard reception and the Buccaneer defense stifled Macalester College for a 10-0 win in the season opener at Strong Stadium last Saturday afternoon. The Scots managed just 208 yards of offense, including -8 yards rushing. After a scoreless first quarter, Beloit put together a 16-play, 69-yard drive that took over eight minutes, with Rankinen capping it on a one-yard run 2:47 before the half for the first score of the game and season. Macalester threatened late in the third quarter with an 11-play, 78-yard drive but Cody Allen intercepted a pass in the end zone on a second and goal from the Buc 15 yard line to end the Scots' best threat. The Buccaneers then turned that interception into three points as they went on a seven-play, 68 yards drive with Andy Reich hitting a 28-yard field goal with 13:38 remaining in the fourth quarter. The drive was sparked by the 60-yard reception from Joe Davis to Rankinen on a third and six from the Beloit 24 as the third quarter ended. On defense, Joe Goldufsky recorded two of the Bucs' four sacks to pace the stingy defensive effort. Beloit finished with 378 yards of total offense.

NEW (SORT OF) TO THE BLOCK: The Pioneers are relative newcomers to the Midwest Conference, having been a member for just 14 seasons, the shortest membership of any current team. They came from the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin (CCIW), a league they entered in 1958 and won 123 games and won two titles. As expected by their newness, they are just 49-51 in Football in the MWC while the Buccaneers, who are in their 70th year in the league, are 169-256-12.

CHALK UP A ZERO: The Bucs recorded a shutout for the second straight season, the last coming on October 22, 2005, against Knox College at Strong Stadium (38-0). But shutouts have not been a common occurrence for Beloit. Prior to these back-to-back seasons with a shutout, the Buccaneers last posted a zero for their opponents during the 1995 season, when they shut out Illinois College (23-0) and Monmouth College (40-0) in back-to-back games. Overall, it was the 162nd shutout in Beloit College's 924-game history, most of those coming during the program's first 46 seasons (1889-1934).

RANKINEN MOVES UP: With his 132-yard effort against Macalester, Lee Rankinen moved into third all-time in Beloit College career rushing. He now has 3,116 yards, putting him within 146 yards of going past #2 rusher Brian Balick (3,261 yards, 1995-98).

UP AHEAD: The Buccaneers return to Strong Stadium on Saturday, September 16, to host pre-season favorite Monmouth College for the 2006 Homecoming Game. Kickoff is set for 2:00 p.m. They then host Knox College on September 23 before spending two straight Saturday's away from home.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 07, 2006, 10:10:55 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 06, 2006, 08:57:58 PM
Here are my predictions go hawks

Knox at Illinois College - IC is the first league team to see Knox’s new running attack (are there any Knox fans out there, is that an oxymoron, if so, what do they run out of…is it an option offense?)…I say Jennings picks Knox apart, but Knox manages to grind out some drives and time, so it doesn’t get as high scoring as you would expect…34-13 IC

Lake Forest at Ripon – Ripon’s grind it out offense against what looks to be a stellar Forester defense. I say 3-3 at the end of regulation and Ripon wins 9-3 in OT.

Beloit at Carroll – I think Beloit’s offense will click later in the season, ala Lawrence last season, but in week two, I  see Carroll handling them 35-12.

Grinnell at St. Norbert – Grinnell’s defense wont be stopping St. Norbert, but the Grinnell offense may keep it interesting for a quarter, maybe even two…53-20 SNC

Lawrence at Monmouth – tough to tell where both teams are…Monmouth’s defense seems to be ahead of the offense and new qb right now, but LU’s stats from game one don’t reveal much…I want to say LU upsets, but cant…28-20 MC

I would agree with most of your predictions, but I would have to say that the Ripon/Lake Forest game is wrong.  There is NO WAY that they are going to end regulation with a 3-3 tie.  Over the last two years (2004-2005), the first two years of the Slotbone offense at Ripon, the Red Hawks have averaged 30 points a game.   

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2006, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: rome on September 07, 2006, 09:54:53 AM
from www.beloit.edu


BELOIT COLLEGE BUCCANEERS (1-0, 0-0 MWC)
vs.
CARROLL COLLEGE PIONEERS (0-1, 0-0 MWC)

Saturday, September 9, 2006, 1:30 p.m.
Schneider Stadium, Waukesha, Wisconsin

THE GAME: The Beloit College Buccaneers hit the road for the first time in 2006 as they travel to Waukesha to open Midwest Conference play against the Pioneers of Carroll College.


If Beloit used its username and password it could post that for everyone to see on the front page of D3football.com
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2006, 03:22:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2006, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: rome on September 07, 2006, 09:54:53 AM
from www.beloit.edu


BELOIT COLLEGE BUCCANEERS (1-0, 0-0 MWC)
vs.
CARROLL COLLEGE PIONEERS (0-1, 0-0 MWC)

Saturday, September 9, 2006, 1:30 p.m.
Schneider Stadium, Waukesha, Wisconsin

THE GAME: The Beloit College Buccaneers hit the road for the first time in 2006 as they travel to Waukesha to open Midwest Conference play against the Pioneers of Carroll College.


If Beloit used its username and password it could post that for everyone to see on the front page of D3football.com

Gotta agree with you there Pat.  It would be nice if alot more schools would do that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2006, 05:10:21 PM
I'll jump in with fightintitan and make some bold predictions too...actually they're all the same picks.

BC @ CC - CC
KC @ IC - IC
LU @ MC - MC
LFC @ RC - RC
GC @ SNC - SNC

Home teams go 5-0 in week 1 of the MWC season.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2006, 01:24:53 AM
I concur, Mav.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 09, 2006, 10:18:03 AM
I loom for Becker to have the boys ready to play up in Ripon this weekend. the loss last year was a tough one for a young group, and I think they have something to prove.
LFC 17 RC 10
CC over BC    -What new Buc Off??
IC over KC    -The Who Cares Bowl.
MC over  LU   -The Scots get back on track.
SNC over GC  -Coach Wallace has fallen on some tough times.


I also will take Ohio State 28 over Texas 13.
Not as close as the experts predicted.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on September 09, 2006, 01:57:56 PM
The Foresters need to bounce back! I don't see many wins on the docket though the D seems solid up front secondary quite week and I believe the Foresters get Tyson back in uniform this week hope he leaves the gloves at home and will make some plays. I have no prediction I am sure it will be similar to the 2004 shootout!  :D
Carroll blew a chance to beat a solid conference team last week but Henny, blew that by getting a punt blocked, that one is all on the coaches and that O that put up 130 some yards.
I think Larry may hang around, IC will put up 90, Carroll might score a TD this week they role, Nub may put up 70, and Penn St. will be Happy in the Valley!

Jock Straps and Passion
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 09, 2006, 02:36:01 PM
Get some Larry updates going here.I cant listen to the game as my PC wont run RealPlayer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 09, 2006, 03:08:08 PM
RC 14
LFC 7
at half.......The Forester O doesn't look good. and the Red Hawks FB rumbled for a big TD up the middle.
     Squat Club For Life
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 09, 2006, 06:10:42 PM
Monmouth 49 - Lawrence 6

After a scoreless first quarter (included in there was an MC fumble at the 3-yard line >:( ), the flood gates opened up and the rout was on in the second quarter and beyond.  Daniels ran for 200+ yards and 4 TD's...and Zidow was an efficient 10-13 passing with 3 TD's on the day.  A very good day all around for the Scots in the MWC opener.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on September 09, 2006, 07:09:32 PM
Well not close on Much!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 09, 2006, 07:36:44 PM
Next week's MWC schedule is more of the same...all of the winners from today play losers from today. LFC at IC is likely the only upset possiblity

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ripon Redmen 78 on September 10, 2006, 12:20:42 PM
I can only assume with SNC's big win on alumni day the Jason Housch factor was in full force. Bring the kid back as a coach, he was the real reason for the SNC championship run. Brains, brawn and beauty that is the man in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 10, 2006, 03:01:11 PM
After watching the MC-Lawrence game yesterday I can only come up with a few things to say.  Monmouth's O-line looks really good this year (much better than last year), The 3-4 is coming around for the Monmouth defense, Lawrence does not have a qb (they used 5 different players at qb yesterday), a kilt smells really bad after standing in the rain for a whole half of football, and people really know how to tailgate at Monmouth before football games!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 10, 2006, 08:57:02 PM
I noticed on the homepage poll that UW-Concordia is 2-0 after beating IIAC and CCIW schools...I thought Monmouth played them the past two years and after checking was correct...MC waxed Concordia the past two years...they led 40-6 last year and gave up 20 points in garbage time to win 40-26

the year before  they won 52-31 after leading 44-25 entering the 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 11, 2006, 11:45:58 AM
That was then, this is now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on September 11, 2006, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 11, 2006, 11:45:58 AM
That was then, this is now.

Hey, I read that book in junior high, Judy Blume I think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on September 11, 2006, 12:43:32 PM
Yeah, the St Norbert vs Grinnell game was ugly. Just really glad that St N pulled their starters early, kept it on the ground and didn't try to run up the score...huh? Whats that? They didn't pull the starters til mid 4th quarter? You say they pulled a fake punt and put up a TD with the score 47-7 early in the 4th? Well, at least the punter was the #2 man even if the rest of the first team was still in the game.


Another glorious victory for the brilliant Norby staff. It will not be forgotten.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 11, 2006, 04:37:47 PM
Anyone know the Ripon/Lake Forest score?  I read the half-time score, but the final is not up at the RC website.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2006, 05:26:55 PM
I'm guessing there's some sarcasm here I'm missing, but just in case:
http://www.d3football.com/schedule.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 12, 2006, 08:59:30 AM
Nope no sarcasim :).  At the time I checked, the score was up on the Ripon website.  Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on September 12, 2006, 12:14:35 PM
Just wanted to say that all that talk about Larry and than they do not show up.  Haven't seen anyone say anything about the game. 
Apparently it is a two man race again this year between the Scots and Knights.  Scots made a statement after their loss the first game.  KEEP ON ROLLIN!

Good Luck at Beliot.  Buck the Bucs!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 12, 2006, 02:22:53 PM
from www.beloit.edu

BELOIT COLLEGE BUCCANEERS (1-1, 0-1 MWC)
vs.
MONMOUTH COLLEGE FIGHTING SCOTS (1-1, 1-0 MWC)

Saturday, September 16, 2006, 2:00 p.m.
Strong Stadium, Beloit, Wisconsin
HOMECOMING 2006


THE GAME: The Beloit College Buccaneers will try to rebound from last weekend's conference-opening loss at Carroll College as they return to Strong Stadium to begin a two-game homestand, starting with the MWC pre-season favorite Monmouth College Fighting Scots for Homecoming 2006.

BROADCAST: WTJK, ESPN Radio 1380 "The Jock," will handle this game and every game during the 2006 season. Kyle Jacob will handle the play-by-play while Andy Gannon will provide color commentary. The broadcast begins with the pre-game show at 1:35 p.m.
The game can also be heard through Webcast. Get the link at either www.beloit.edu or at www.espn1380.com.

THE SERIES: The Buccaneers and Fighting Scots are meeting for the47th time in a series that began back in 1906 with an 11-0 MC win. Monmouth leads the series 25-20 with one tie. The Fighting Scots have won three straight in the series and four of the last five. Beloit's last victory came during the 2002 season, a 44-28 win in Beloit. Prior to the recent MC streak, Beloit had won five straight, stretching from the 1994 to 2000 seasons. After Monmouth won the first two meetings in the series, in 1906 and 1907, both by shutout, Beloit won the next five games from 1909 to 1913, three by shutout.

LAST TIME VS. FIGHTING SCOTS: Monmouth exploded for 28 first-quarter points and 21 in the second quarter as they coasted to a 56-30 win in Monmouth on September 24, 2005. Dante Daniels, Dan Morrison and Evan Hafner (twice) scored in a span of seven minutes in the opening quarter to make it 28-0 after one. Hafner scored his third TD of the half three minutes in to the second quarter before Lee Rankinen capped a 12-play drive with a one-yard TD run to get the Bucs on the board. Morrison and Daniels each scored their second touchdowns of the game, Daniels with 49 seconds left before halftime, to make the score 49-8 at the break. Nate Skelton scored on a 76-yard run for Beloit early in the third quarter but Matt Hammer caught a six-yard pass from Mitch Tanney to re-establish the 41-point bulge at the end of three quarters. The Buccaneers shut out MC in the fourth quarter while Rankinen scored two more TDs, from 22 and one yard out, to close the scoring. The Fighting Scots finished with 542 yards of offense while Beloit ended with 307, including 241 on the ground. Rankinen had 116 yards rushing to lead the Bucs while Daniels rushed for 165 and Tanney threw for 238 to lead Monmouth.

BUCCANEERS LAST TIME OUT: Carroll College held the Bucs to just 121 total yards on the way to a 29-0 win in Waukesha last Saturday afternoon in the MWC opener for both squads. CC had single touchdowns in both the first and second quarters, a field goal in the third and two TDs in the fourth for the win. Bryce Crocker scored on a 64-yard pass play from Chris Rogers late in the opening quarter for the first score of the game and then Tyler Vogds caught a six-yard Rogers pass five minutes before halftime to make it 14-0 at the break. Brian Jachimek added a 25-yard field goal late in the third quarter to make it 17-0 and then Darren Nelson caught a 10-yard pass from Rogers early in the fourth quarter and Crocker scored on an 11-yard run seven minutes later for the final score. The Pioneers finished with 410 yards of offense, 253 of it through the air. Joe Davis led Beloit with 43 yards rushing while Crocker had 91 yards rushing and 99 receiving for Carroll. Defensively, the Bucs were led by David Maggio, who had nine total tackles plus an interception, Liam O'Neill with eight solo tackles, and Nelson Suarez, who had two tackles for loss.

LET THE MEMORIES FLOW: The 1955 Buccaneer Football team will be recognized during the Homecoming game, remembering their outstanding 7-1 season under former head coach Carl Nelson (1950-61). The lone loss of the campaign came in the seventh game, a 19-12 setback to DePauw College IN. Victories came against Milwaukee State (now UW-Milwaukee), Lake Forest, Mankato State, Wabash, Carroll, Albion and Macalester.

A "ROWTH" OF SCOTS: For the second straight home game, Strong Stadium has an air of the Highlands. In the home opener on September 2, the opponent was the Scots of Macalester College. For the Homecoming Game this week, the Fighting Scots of Monmouth College are visiting. Certainly a "strang occurrent." (Note: "Rowth" means abundance in Scottish. "Strang occurrent" means strange occurrence.)

UP AHEAD: The Buccaneers stay at home for a second straight week as they host Knox College in a 1:30 p.m. kickoff at Strong Stadium on September 23. After that, they head out on a two-game road trip, playing at Lake Forest College on September 30 and at Ripon College on October 7.



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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2006, 03:46:58 PM
Let me get this straight...  Beloit has homecoming THIS weekend?  Two questions:

1. It's a little early, isn't it? 
2. YOU SCHEDULED MONMOUTH AS YOUR HOMECOMING OPPONENT???    ???


You have a home game the following weekend against Knox.  That would've made a little more sense, wouldn't it?

Curiously submitted,

A friend in the alumni relations biz.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 12, 2006, 07:13:24 PM
Here's the link to the SNC-LU game preview @ LU. http://www.lawrence.edu/athletics/football/previews/weekthree06.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hardscrabble on September 12, 2006, 09:00:49 PM
I think Beloit actually has a shot at Monmouth. Looks like Carroll had an excellent game plan last week against Rankinen and the Pioneers might be the surprise team of the league. If they improve as much this year as they did last, they'll be right in there. Monmouth, on the other hand, has a boatload of pressure in duplicating last year. If they don't win it all this year - with all the experience they have coming back - you can chalk last year's victory over St. Norbert as a fluke. If Monmouth doesn't repeat, than last year was a fluke. Speaking of the Knights what's up with 50 point victory? It makes my stomach cringe to see such a flagrant display of unsportsmanship and disrespect. Guess their 49-7 margin at the end of the fourth quarter wasn't safe enough, so they needed punch it in twice more in the fourth quarter. Nothing like a 50 or 60 point win to soothe memories of Whitewater.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 12, 2006, 09:45:20 PM
SNC's 1st possesion of the 4th quarter
S 1-10 G40   ST. NORBERT COLLEGE drive start at 14:17 (4th).
      S 1-10 G40   Adam Lewis rush for 3 yards to the GC37 (Tyler Schaeffer).
      S 2-7  G37   Tanner Voss pass incomplete.
      S 3-7  G37   PENALTY SNC false start 5 yards to the GC42.
      S 3-12 G42   Tanner Voss pass incomplete.
      S 4-12 G42   Bob Forstrom pass complete to Jay Arndt for 27 yards to the GC15, 1ST
                   DOWN SNC (Nick Merklin).
      S 1-10 G15   Adam Lewis rush for 8 yards to the GC7 (Ryan Boehm).
      S 2-2  G07   Adam Lewis rush for 3 yards to the GC4, 1ST DOWN SNC (John
                   Hereford).
      S 1-G  G04   St. Norbert College timeout (1st this half), clock 12:07.
      S 1-G  G04   Tanner Voss rush to the GC4, fumble forced by TEAM, fumble by Tanner
                   Voss recovered by SNC Chris Hironimus at GC4.
      S 2-G  G04   Adam Lewis rush for 4 yards to the GC0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 11:26.
                   Bob Forstrom kick attempt good.
SNC's 2nd possesion of the 4th quarter
Bud Baumgartner kickoff 47 yards to the SNC18, Alec Getschow return 38 yards
               to the GC44 (Joey Snyder).
      S 1-10 G44   ST. NORBERT COLLEGE drive start at 05:46 (4th).
      S 1-10 G44   Joe Brogni rush for 44 yards to the GC0, 1ST DOWN SNC, TOUCHDOWN,
                   clock 05:12.
                   Bob Forstrom kick attempt good.
SNC's third possesion of the 4th quarter
  S 1-10 S41   ST. NORBERT COLLEGE drive start at 02:11 (4th).
      S 1-10 S41   Joe Brogni rush for 3 yards to the SNC44 (Tyler Schaeffer).
      S 2-7  S44   Dustin Gresen rush for 14 yards to the GC42, 1ST DOWN SNC (Tyler
                   Schaeffer).
      S 1-10 G42   Joe Kobs rush for 3 yards to the GC39 (Matt Vigil).
      S 2-7  G39   Joe Brogni rush for 3 yards to the GC36 (Ben Westfeldt;Ryan Boehm),
                   PENALTY SNC clipping 15 yards to the SNC49.
      S 2-19 S49   2nd and 19.
      S 2-19 S49   End of 2nd half, clock 00:00.
One incomplete pass and one fake punt are the only questionable unsportsmanlike/disrespectful plays in the 4th quarter.  The only person who knew about the fake punt was Forstrom.  He called it on his own which the coaching staff allows him to do.  Check out the names listed here and see if any of them are starters (they aren't).
Also, I'm sure the attempted castration of Cody Craig in the pile at the end zone by a Grinnell defender was unintentional and clean.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 12, 2006, 09:48:51 PM
hardscarbble, I have to agree and disagreee with you...
-Not sure beloit has a shot this weekend

-you cant call it a fluke if monmouth loses to SNC this year...QB is the most important position on the field and Tanney may have been the best in MWC history

-not sure SNC needed to rub it in by 50, but I am sure it is the old adage about wanting people to see evrything you have on film..not saying its right or wrong
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 12, 2006, 09:57:30 PM
I have to agree with PapaSmurf on this one.  You can't call it disrespect if there are no starters in the game.  That is just showing how deep Norbert really is. 


And Tanney was the greatest passer in MWC history......77% completion, that's rediculous
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on September 13, 2006, 01:03:29 PM
papasmurf-

What was the score at the end of the 3rd Quarter? 49-7

No starters? At least 3 on the field through most of the 4th according to the Radio announcer. Mainly 2nd stringers til very late.

Punters choice at 49-7? Doesn't the coach have the option to say kick only, or does he not have control of his team?

How deep is St Norbert? Nearly 100 players on the sideline is very deep. How many of them got significant minutes in the 4th quarter? Grinnell-with a very limited squad-was in to the deep reserves at many positions by mid 4th.

This game will be remembered.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 13, 2006, 02:19:43 PM
A second string quarterback, third and fourth string running backs did all the damage in the fourth quarter.  I know that a second string tackle played the whole fourth quarter but I didn't pay much attention to the other o-linemen in the game at the time.  I usually keep a close eye on the defense and I know they didn't play more than a couple of starters in the fourth quarter, if that many.
SNC fields a JV team that played that weekend and the freshman/sophmores that are going to play JV get little if any time in the regular game.
I noticed that Grinell never stopped trying to score and didn't quit which is admirable but why shouldn't SNC keep trying to stop them.  Other than running the ball what effective way is there to run out the clock?
As far as the fake punt is concerned I'd like to think it was a clean retaliation for the Grinnell defender's ball grabbing incident.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2006, 03:23:03 PM
Some good questions there scottie.  :)  When will you be making an appearance at a Monmouth game?

And I gotta agree with fightintitan on his Monmouth points.  1) The Scots should get a road win this weekend at Beloit, even though it has been a tough place to win at sometimes.  2) Monmouth beating St. Norbert last year was not a fluke...just like Lake Forest's 2002 win over SNC wasn't a fluke either.  In both seasons, the better team simply won the game.

Here's hoping that nobody runs up the score this weekend and we can all get along! :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 13, 2006, 04:46:47 PM
Hey Mav.  I'll be back for the Homecoming game and, of course, the Knox game.  On both dates, I'll be stopping in P-town to drive over the "cover boy" on this year's MC football program.   So most likely, we'll be sitting on the hill.  Stop by.

JeffP - I'm curious what the Grinnell contigent has in store with these memories you speak (write) of after this particular loss.  Do you remember anything about last year's game against SNC?  Because the final score was almost identical (63-13 in '06 and 63-14 '05). 

     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on September 13, 2006, 08:11:33 PM
scottie-
some more perspective here- last year Monmouth whumped up on Grinnell 69-14 or some such. I heard NOT ONE COMPLAINT. The comments were all centered around how great Monmouth was. The year before, MC won 24-0. everyone says MC could have tripled their scoring total.  That, sir, is a class program.

As for next year? probably just more testicles (unless Craig and other norby players finally get smart enough to wear cups), but in years to come-and with more classes like our 1st years - there will be payback. After all, the Norby coach is so great he will probably be coaching in the NFL next year and eventually Norby will be down just enough. There were grumblings in the last two years as well, but nothing compared to what I'm hearing after this years game. Besides, if we nearly castrate a few more players there won't be any testosterone left on the Saint Numnu..er Norbert team. ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 13, 2006, 08:41:49 PM
Just ask LU'S coach Howard about payback.I sure he would love nothing more than to RUN IT UP against all the teams that have been rubbing it in to LU for years.That includes his former employer SNC.I bet they are at the top of the list.What comes around goes around folks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 13, 2006, 09:45:41 PM
Forgot Hardscrammbles other point I wanted to touch on.

No one has really talked about Carroll much this year. I expected their offense to be good, actually better than it has been the first two weeks, but it sounds like their defense has been lights out.

After taking a look back at last season's boxes...CC led St. Norbert at the half, but lost 48-28 after four SNC defensive TDs. Monmouth beat them 35-27 after leading 21-0...

Does anyone think Carroll has a legitimate shot at a conference title this season? I could see them beating MC or SNC, but not both this year. I know it is early to speculate, but if CC beat SNC, SNC beat MC and MC beat CC, and no one lost another league game, what would be the tiebreaker? I could also see a similar situation happening if Ripon upsets one of those three, which I think they will...just don't know which one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 13, 2006, 10:11:30 PM
The first tie breaker is quarters led in the season.  Two years ago going into the last game of the season Monmouth's only loss was to SNC and Lake Forest's only loss was to Monmouth.  The Scots were hoping for a Knight loss to Lake Forest along with SNC not leading for more than a quarter of that game in order to win the tiebreaker situation and the conference championship.  SNC won the game, leading all four quarters.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2006, 10:19:17 PM
scottie - Good to hear that you'll be back for a couple of games.  I should be around for all of the home games.  Who is the "cover boy" that you'll be driving over from P-town?  I was at the Lawrence game this weekend, but never picked up a program.

jeffp - Glad to see the compliments directed towards the Monmouth program.  Keep up the good work! :)

fightintitan - The MWC tie-breaker in a 3-way tie is quarters led in conference games.  I remember what PapaSmurf posted from the 2003 season as we were hoping for both of the things he mentioned to happen on that final Saturday, but were denied on both.  Personally though, I don't see it coming into play this season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 14, 2006, 12:22:23 AM
Mav - It's MC Hall of Famer, Virgil Boucher, who will be 97 years young by the time the  Knox game comes around.

JeffP - I too am glad that MC handled themselves with class and didn't get on the Pioneer _ _ _ _ list.

FT2006 - Last year, many teams scored second half points against the Scots.  The game was usually out of reach by that time.  The Carroll game looked a little closer than most, though.  If the game wasn't at beautiful Bobby Woll** Memorial Stadium, I might give Carroll more of a chance.  However, I think the Scots will be cooking with gas by that time of the season.  (**high school and college classmate of the gentleman listed at the top)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 14, 2006, 07:08:59 AM
Maybe if the Grinnell coaches taught their players to tackle instead of crotch grab they might not give up so many points.  Who's coaching over there, Michael Jackson?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 14, 2006, 03:12:18 PM
scottie - I thought that might've been who you were talking about picking up on your way.  Didn't realize he was on the cover of this year's program.  Pretty cool to have the football field (Woll) and the gateway plaza (Boucher) to the football field named for high school and college classmates...2 of the best Scots ever!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ripon Redmen 78 on September 14, 2006, 08:11:45 PM
Saturdays SNC vs LU game should be a classic. Both teams have the Jason Housh factor working for them. I'm sure Coach Jim Purtill has learned a lot from Jason when he was a member of the Green Knights. Three current LU assistants ( Luke Ott, Nick Oslo and Ryan Reader) also must have gained valuable knowledge while playing along side Jason Housh. So the winner of this game will be determined by who listened to the MAN. Remember when a journalist qouted Coach Purtill saying " Jason Housh is the FASTEST defensive player he has ever seen".  I wonder if this is a correct qoute or did the paper spell one word wrong
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 15, 2006, 10:13:27 AM
I would not call this seperation week in the MWC but it is a very important week non the less. Before we get into picks i need to respond to some of the statements made on this site....Tanney was the best MWC QB in history?? wow.. The best all around player I have ever seen was Jason Augustanowicz (as much as it kills me cause he was a Nub) but he was a gifted athlete.....Tanney....not impressed.
  On to the big finish-
Red Hawks @ Prarie Fire > The Hawks come soaring into the Knox Bowl (toilet Bowl) and race out to an early lead. 23-0 by half...the Fire make a late come back but fall short...it's back the drawing board for Gibbons
-Red Hawks 31 - Prarie Fire 10

Pioneers @ Pioneers (how rediculous is this?) > Nobody circles the wagons like the Grinnell Pioneers. But, the C's enter Wally's World and open up a can. Carroll should take no prisoners and run the score up...Wally will come up with a game plan but he needs some hoarses to execute it. 
-Pioneers (C) 45 - Pioneers (G) 10

Blue Boys @ Foresters > The Blue Boys come marching into the Foretser Den trying to make it two in a row. Pete Jennings has a good day, but is intercepted late in the 4th by #10 Keith Hanson and he returns it to the house for the victory. Bad weather + tough enviorment = a loss for the Blue Boys.
-Foresters 14 - Blue Boys 10

Knights @ Vikings > Shhhhhhhhh....... Lawrence is building a program shhh quiet or the Knights might hear you. Will Wren have a big day aginst his old shower buddies? Can Maxam aviod the rush and find the open man? Will that vaunted Viking D rise to hault the Green Machiene?
NO NO NO
-Green Knights 45 - Vikings 21

Scots @ Buccaneers > The Scots bring a big crowd and their bag pipes to Strong stadium but don't wake up till the second half. the Bucs OC- "He fakes to the left. No he fakes to the right. wait he pretends to fake, he thinks about faking, where is Skelton? I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM, THIS BOOTH IS GETTING SMALLER" Bell brakes out the smelling salt and revives his boys in time to sink the Bucs by the 4th
-Scots 31 - Buccaneers 3

Thank You--------hey record breaker you cheated your way into history....how do you sleep at night?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 15, 2006, 11:36:20 AM
Tanney being the best ever in the MWC, debatable.  But consider Tanney's stat lines from 2 games vs. Lake Forest when using the words "not impressed."

2004 (MC won, 14-0): 17-29 passing, 177 yards, 2 TD's; 7 carries for 29 yards
2005 (MC won 34-0): 21-27 passing, 215 yards, 2 TD's; 9 carries for 30 yards

Unimpressed by Tanney... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 15, 2006, 10:22:19 PM
my calls on this weekends games..

Ripon at Knox - Ripon runs by Knox 34-6 in what could be the shortest game of the season

Carroll at Grinnell - GC's offense vs. CC's defense could be a good matchup, but not that good...CC rolls 42-17

Illinois College at Lake Forest - not sure if LFC's two fourth quarter TDs last week were the result of the offense coming together or ripon subs, I will say the later, IC wins 31-7
 
St. Norbert at Lawrence - I thought LU would give MC a game last week and was way off...LU has a better showing, but loses 42-20

Monmouth at Beloit - wont be a happy homecoming for BC, they lose 42-0
 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2006, 02:45:49 PM
The Beloit football link stinks!  It won't let me access it.  Oh well...

Off to hit the little white ball.

GO SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 16, 2006, 09:40:36 PM
Scores are in......

IC beat LF 14-11 which makes LF 0-3
MC beat Beloit 31-0 with Daniels running for over 200 again
SNC beat Lawrence 42-14, not as close as thought
Carroll beat Grinnel 49-14, no suprise
Ripon beat Knox 35-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2006, 11:37:52 PM
Perhaps Beloit will go for a Homecoming "do-over" next week...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 16, 2006, 11:58:43 PM
Based on what I witnessed vs. Macalester I would have said to take the over in this game. Holding Monmouth to "only" 31 points is an accomplishment. Beloits defense will not hurt them this year but an offense needs appear and score once in a while. A 3.3 is a nice grade point average but a 3.3 ppg scoring average will not win many games. Perhaps Beloit should leave the conference for football and play Macalester 10 times a year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 17, 2006, 04:04:54 AM
Beloit's defense wasn't the reason that Monmouth scored "only" 31 points.  The 8 penalties for 104 yards and a fumble while driving down the field is the reason that Monmouth scored 31 points.  They could have easily had 45, they just beat themselves today
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 18, 2006, 12:02:35 PM
Do the Scots get an extra victory for beating the Bucs and themselves?

Good game coming up this weekend at beautiful Bobby Woll Memorial Field against the CC Pioneers. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 18, 2006, 05:29:19 PM
They definitely beat themselves this weak.  They gotta play better this week or it will be close.  That defense is good though
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 18, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
The LU/SNC game was WAY closer than the score indicated.Check out the game stats and you will see just how close the game was.The only difference was 2-3 blocked punts in LU territory.That was the difference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 19, 2006, 01:47:41 PM
What a week in college football. The Golden Domers fall to the Mighty Wolverines...Stoops gets robbed of a "W" in the great Northwest. The Big East makes a huge statement(Miami @ LU). LSU/ Auburn is a classic. It was a alot of fun. as for the MWC it's a three horse race --Carroll/SNC/Monmouth--
On to the Big Finish--

Blue Boys @ Red Hawks > Two teams with out a conferece loss. Ripon is playing well, and riding high on emotions. The Smurffs struggle up in the hostile enviorment. Red Hawks win in a close game, stay undefeated in conference.
-Red Hawks 34 - Blue Boys 17

Pioneers @ Vikings > Vikings bounce back form the loss and impress the home crowd. Though the Pioneers put up a fight, they can't match up with the LU Off. Vikings get their first conference Win.
-Vikings 31 - Pioneers 7

Prairie Fire @ Buccaneers > Two more teams searching for thier first conference win. This is a big game for the two programs. Knox runs the ball very well and see them giving Beloit a taste of their own meds. Knox get's the W
-Prairie Fire 12 - Bucs 3

Pioneers @ Fighting Scots > THE GAME OF THE WEEK- Alot of questions in this game. Will Monmouth mistakes catch up with them? Can Carroll hang with the big boys? Can Monmouth continue it's MWC winning streak? Will Pioneer D stop Daniels? I think that this will be a great game. No one cirlcles the wagons like the Carroll Pioneers but Monmouth wins in a close, hard fought game.
-Fighting Scots 24 - Pioneers 21

Foresters @ Green Knights > Foresters travel to De Pere after a tough loss at home to IC. Knights are rolling and have learned not to over look teams. Foresters fight hard but fall to 0-4.
-Green Knights 47 - Foresters 14

-Side Note  right now I vote RB Daniels as the Heisman of MWC right now.
  Any debate?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2006, 02:45:59 PM
Technically, Louisville is the "U of L," but I will also allow UL.

I agree with four of your predictions, except I think Beloit will pull off a home team sweep this weekend.

As for your "Heisman of the MWC" selection, let's see.  In all games, his rushing average is 84.3 yards/game ahead of the number 2 rusher.  In MWC games, his rushing average is 101 yards/game ahead of the number 2 rusher.  You certainly went out on a limb with that pick!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2006, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 19, 2006, 02:45:59 PM

As for your "Heisman of the MWC" selection, let's see.  In all games, his rushing average is 84.3 yards/game ahead of the number 2 rusher.  In MWC games, his rushing average is 101 yards/game ahead of the number 2 rusher.  You certainly went out on a limb with that pick!   ;)

Just have to stop putting the ball on the ground so much...3 lost fumbles already, 1 in each game so far. 

As for the rest of the team, decrease the number of penalties from last week at Beloit (8 is a few too many) and keep riding that strong defense while the passing game in the offense finds it groove (which has still scored 49 and 31 points in the last 2 weeks while running very effectively).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on September 19, 2006, 03:47:32 PM
As you two (Maverick and Scottie, that is) assess your chances against Carroll, remember that the REAL Pioneers did you a favor last week by putting Carroll's starting QB out for the rest of the season. No one is talking officially, but my friend at the hospital says he broke his ankle - it would have been late in the 1st half as I recall. Hope the kid is ok otherwise. He was a quality QB -his replacement isn't bad either, but the new QB doesn't appear to have as good an arm as #1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2006, 04:13:15 PM
JeffP - Did the REAL pioneers break the QB's ankle before or after the crotch grabs began?  That must have been one painful game...   :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 19, 2006, 04:37:02 PM


Well you see justintyem, is that the problem is SNC is 42-14 better than LU as that was the final score....you can't debate that, because it's a fact!!!! 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 19, 2006, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 19, 2006, 02:45:59 PM
I agree with four of your predictions, except I think Beloit will pull off a home team sweep this weekend.

I hope you're right Scottie as I will be there to see it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 19, 2006, 06:20:16 PM
The problem is Early,your an ***.SNC isnt 42-14 better than LU.It was just a few mistakes and the better team took advantage.The stats dont lie.The score does!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 19, 2006, 10:32:59 PM
Yes Scottie. the heisman vote is not to look for the suprise pick....or the biggest shocker. It is for the best college player. right now Daniels is it. no need to go out on a limb.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 20, 2006, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on September 06, 2006, 06:04:45 PM
The problem is oshkosh is 57 points better than Ripon as that was the final score.You cant debate that,because its fact!!!! But I good luck to all this weekend,and GO VIKES!!!!!

Don't write a quote if you can't take the criticism. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 20, 2006, 09:57:25 AM
You got me there.I'll eat my words!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 20, 2006, 10:33:57 AM
Okay, some of this "logic" is starting to confuse me...

So, did the Bears actually beat the Lions last week?  Because...Roy Williams predicted a victory and afterwards said that they should've won.  The Bears made a couple of miscues, so maybe they didn't deserve all of their points. 

If sports is suddenly all about woulda/shoulda/coulda, then I need to go sign up for my PGA tour membership.  I could easily win a few tournaments - - as long as I stop slicing my driver into the woods, top my fairway shots, always take two shots to get out of the sand, and miss every putt outside of two feet... you know, beating myself. 

You guys are wearing me out.  I'm going back to the driving range...   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on September 20, 2006, 02:09:00 PM
My only point was it "WAS" a much better game than the score indicated.Ask anyone there,if the were paying attention they would have seen the same thing.It was a close game for the most part,outside of the score.If you see my point.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 20, 2006, 07:47:28 PM
Daniels has been fantastic, but SNC receiver Judd O'Connell should be in that league heisman talk, he has over 100 yards receiving in all three games and the Green Knights have needed it. I know they are splitting carries between a few backs, but they dont seem to be running the ball like SNC teams of the past.

my weeekend calls...

Illinois College at Ripon - IC's defense plays well again and Jennings remains efficient, IC wins 28-20

Grinnell at Lawrence - LU's running attack is the difference in a shootout...LU wins 43-37

Knox at Beloit - Knox wins 7-6, I havent decided if its a gutsy two-point conversion call, a missed extra point, two field goals or three safeties...you make the call

Carroll at Monmouth - Injuries play a huge factor in this one..if rogers plays for CC, they win 21-17..if not, MC wins 23-10

Lake Forest at St. Norbert - SNC wont be able to run it, can LFC stop the pass? it wont matter, as LFCs offense wont get more than 5 first downs..SNC wins 28-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 20, 2006, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 20, 2006, 07:47:28 PM
Knox at Beloit - Knox wins 7-6, I havent decided if its a gutsy two-point conversion call, a missed extra point, two field goals or three safeties...you make the call

Considering the fact that it's supposed to rain all day Saturday, 7-6 might be a little on the high side. Wonder if they'll let me set up my pop up blind at the stadium. Aww who am I kidding, it's camoflauged so they won't even see me. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on September 20, 2006, 08:47:15 PM
Quote from: Forester 14 on September 15, 2006, 10:13:27 AM
Thank You--------hey record breaker you cheated your way into history....how do you sleep at night?

I sleep great.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on September 21, 2006, 09:02:19 AM
JUSTINTYEM,

I understand that a score doesn't tell the whole story.  Trust me, the school I use to work/coach for went through a varsity defeated season last year.  Myself and the head varsity had to tell that "the score board didn't tell the story" line quite often.
:)
I'm just razzing ya because you jumped all over Go Hawks when he tried to explain almost the same thing that you are now.  Granted 42-14 is more logical than 57-0 ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 21, 2006, 10:37:13 AM
my weekend picks.....

Illinois College at Ripon - IC's air attack is too much for Ripons ground game......IC 21-10

Grinnell at Lawrence - Lawrence shows up in front of the home crowd......LU 28-14

Knox at Beloit - This will be the quickest game of the day with only 15 passes thrown combined......Beloit gets on the board first and holds on....BC 10-7

Carroll at Monmouth - Rogers is out and Daniels shows why he is the best player in the league and hits at least 150 again....MC 31-10

Lake Forest at St. Norbert - NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!       SNC 35-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 22, 2006, 08:35:00 PM
Mitch Tanney worked out for the Philadelphia Eagles this week...pretty impressive

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on September 23, 2006, 09:34:27 AM
I think it is time to bring the poll down.

The MWC was 4-6 non-conference
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 23, 2006, 10:22:16 AM
No rain in Beloit yet, could be a 67-60 shoot out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2006, 03:43:04 PM
Scots up 17-7 at half.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 23, 2006, 03:45:20 PM
The backup QB is looking pretty good right now against the top D in the conference so far this year.  GO SCOTS!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2006, 05:13:56 PM
Scots win 38-7 (I think).   The MC broadcast crew could use a little "constructive criticism."

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 23, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
early stats from the MC-Carroll game...


Rushing-- Crocker, 109   
                Daniels, 114

Passing-- Mundt, 273 yards, 2 TDs

Recieving-- Haffner, 10 catches 191 yards and 2 TDs



Great game out of the freshman at QB and the defense looked strong all day
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 23, 2006, 07:21:50 PM
What happened at Norbert today???  Only 14-7 against Lake Forest.  I realize that Lake Forest has a pretty good defense, but only 14 points?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 24, 2006, 12:14:47 PM
Beloit-Knox wound up between the 7-6 and my 67-60 prediction at 32-22 and was a pretty decent game to see despite the weather. 3rd play from scrimmage set the tone however as Knox intercepted and waltzed in from 15 yards (or thereabouts) for a 6-0 lead. PAT failed. Didn't see the snap but noticed everybody scrambling for the ball around the 35 so I'm guessing the center air mailed one.

Couple big plays later and it was 19-0. Beloit made it 19-14 just before the half but couldn't move the chains, once forced into a passing situation Knox pinned their ears back and got another pick. This set them up in excellent field position and they scored quickly to go to the locker room with a 25-14 advantage. Nothing happened in the 3rd quarter and each scored once in the 4th for the 32-22 final.

Nice effort on Beloits part to battle back from the early adversity but their size disadvantage on the offensive and defensive lines is glaring. Not sure what you do about that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 25, 2006, 08:08:17 AM
Quote from: kiltman85 on September 23, 2006, 07:21:50 PM
What happened at Norbert today???  Only 14-7 against Lake Forest.  I realize that Lake Forest has a pretty good defense, but only 14 points?
115 yards in penalties
2 interceptions
1 lost fumble
rain throughout the 2nd half
Purtill said the officiating was bad in Lake Forest's favor but I heard they also missed a couple of holding calls on SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doclittle on September 25, 2006, 12:01:48 PM
Who is picked to win the MWC this year?
My second question is why is it that the Wisconsin MWC schools except for Ripon and SNC don't want to play the WIAC schools. We are all int eh state of Wisconsin and we are all division three why won't they play the WIAC.
IF YOU WANNA BE THE EBST YOUR GOTTA BEAT THE BEST,and the WIAC is the best d3 conference in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on September 25, 2006, 12:14:01 PM
I am a former MWC player and fan of the MWC.   Bu when it comes to the talent  level at the schools in MWC and the schools in the WIAC they can't be compared.  WIAC schools would not schedule the MWC schools for the fact that they want to play tougher competition.  Mind you, the MWC is getting stronger as a conference as a whole, but they are a little bit back.

Now not to sat that a MWC school can't beat a WIAC school, i.e. St. Norberts vs Lacrosse a few years ago.  However the odds are not in our favor.    I think that all MWC schools would like to play tougher non-conference games, but many of them won't schedule with us until we prove that they are a quality program. via WArtburg, Monmouth, Nubs, Oshkosh.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 25, 2006, 12:17:45 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 22, 2006, 08:35:00 PM
Mitch Tanney worked out for the Philadelphia Eagles this week...pretty impressive



Here's the article from the award winning MC Sports Information staff...  http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/releases/2006/football.tanney.09-22-06.htm 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BUdefense on September 25, 2006, 12:29:40 PM
It is waaaaaaaaaay to early for BU/SJU predictions. I understand that you all love trash-talking, but lets let some weeks go by before we get too riled up. But since we already are predicting monkey stomps, I might as well put my two cents in.


SJU 27
Bethel 7

St. Johns scores three touchdowns on drives of less than 45 yards after Bethel offense turns it over, giving the Johnnies a short field. The BU defense, being on the field for 42 out of 60 minutes, cant do it all. The other Johnnie touchdown comes on an interception return. That way we have the required 4 turnovers per game by Bethel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: monmcali on September 25, 2006, 01:32:49 PM
BU defense....  Wha???  wrong discussion I think...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BUdefense on September 25, 2006, 01:54:32 PM
yep def wrong board, gotta pay better attention
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 26, 2006, 07:37:54 PM
DOC Little,

You answered your own question in one of your recent posts about why MWC teams don't schedule WIAC teams, when you said Whitewater made Lakeland look like a bad high school team a few years ago.

The only reason I could see for Ripon signing a four-year deal with Oshkosh is to save money or at least I hope that's the reason. If I were Ripon's coach, I would have no problem opening the season with a 57-0 loss to an IIAC or CCIW school, at least in that case it would be a school that is fairly similar in size and values.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on September 27, 2006, 12:33:24 AM
So Greg Pawlick is now Meachscribe????

His being a writer must account for SNC getting 1 vote in the top 25....

How are all the Scots doing this year!!!!  Remember Hamm's is better than Bud Light!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 27, 2006, 01:32:17 AM
We are all doing well down here in good 'ole Monmouth.  It's been a fun year so far
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 27, 2006, 06:16:22 AM
Quote from: ritz72 on September 27, 2006, 12:33:24 AM
So Greg Pawlick is now Meachscribe????

His being a writer must account for SNC getting 1 vote in the top 25....





What would account for the 4 votes they received 2 weeks ago?  Type o's?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2006, 09:02:34 AM
Quote from: ritz72 on September 27, 2006, 12:33:24 AM
So Greg Pawlick is now Meachscribe????

His being a writer must account for SNC getting 1 vote in the top 25....

How are all the Scots doing this year!!!!  Remember Hamm's is better than Bud Light!


ritz - Thanks for the visit to the MWC board buddy!  Like kiltman said, us Fighting Scots are doing pretty well right now.  If the chance should arise again, I'll take a Hamm's if you take a Bud Light. :D 

Haven't heard much out of several other Scots so far this year...you out there guys?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 27, 2006, 09:15:29 PM
My picks for this week...

Ripon at Carroll – Ripon gets revenge for last years blowout and wins a great game on a late score 35-31

Lawrence at Illinois College – is LU on track to finish strong again? can IC rebound from the loss to Ripon? Jennings throws 2 fourth quarter TD passes and IC wins 28-24

Monmouth at Grinnell – MC lead 56-0 at half, win 56-20

St. Norbert at Knox – SNC run game breaks out and Knox loses four fumbles in 36-0 SNC win

Beloit at Lake Forest – lake forest has proven there d is very good, but has no wins to show for it...they get their first 21-6


With what looks like easy wins for St. Norbert and Monmouth this week, the league title will be decided in De Pere next week for the second year in a row. I am thinking of getting rid of my badger tickets (northwestern) to go watch this one.

If St. Norbert doesn't defend there home turf this year, which I think they will (that picks for next week ; )   they may not do it for a while. Looking at last week's box score and the roster on monmouth's site, they started eight sophomores and a junior on defense last week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 28, 2006, 02:14:09 PM
Another addition of in the Midwest Conference.

Vikings @ Blue Boys> The Vikings pack up thier ships and set sail down I-55 to Jacksonville taking on a motivated and hungry Blue Boy squad. The Vikings are begining to find out who thier playmakers are and in a close game I see the Viks pillaging IC.
Vikings 34 - Blue Boys 17

Game Of The Week
Red Hawks @ Pioneers> What a game the Hawks played against IC, but they will have to take their show on the road and play against and injured Pioneer team. You know, nobody circles the wagons like the Carroll Pioneers, but the Hawks are too much. In a game not as colse as the experts think The Hawks will soar.
Red Hawks 28 - Pioneers 10


Fighting Scots @ Pioneerrs> Old Wally breaks out the David vs. Goliath speach to fire up the troops. It works untill kickoff. Monmouth rolls.......
Scots 55 - Pioneers 9

Green Knights @ Prairie Fire> The Knights trot into the Knox Bowl ( The House Chad Eisele Renovated) in a bit of a funk.....playing sloppy ball, and not what Purtil is used to. The Fire, fueld by their new AD storm the field with passion and play the Nubs close......a late field goal wins it for the purple and gold. Upset City
Prairie Fire 24 - Knights 21

Buccaneers @ Foresters> The Swashbucklers enter the Forest looking for a big win. It's Homecoming, so expect a  zoo like atmosphere at old LF. The Foresters are looking to get off the schnide and will do so. The Red & Black rise again for the big crowd and keep the streak alive against the Bucs
Foresters 24 - Bucs 6

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on September 28, 2006, 08:00:21 PM
Forester 14 you are a foolish fellow. I care not to wasn't any more time than I already have to dispell your ignorat pick but that sloppy ball is averaging 400 yards per game and putting up 37.5 per game. O'Connell has a field day in this joke of a game in this joke of a conference! good day!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on September 28, 2006, 08:02:20 PM
Forester 14 you are a foolish fellow. I care not to wasn't any more time than I already have to dispel your ignorant pick but that sloppy ball is averaging 400 yards per game and putting up 37.5 per game. O'Connell has a field day in this joke of a game in this joke of a conference! Good day!  ;D Spell Check
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on September 28, 2006, 08:55:53 PM
"This joke of a conference" that you played in!!!!!!???????????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 28, 2006, 11:27:49 PM
Look Here Emmy, or should I call you Mr. Screllia????? The Nubs have been playing sloppy ball.......turnovers and 115 yards in flags = sloppy ball
     I miss you, and we need to meet up soon cuase the lint is building up.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 29, 2006, 07:34:14 AM
I hear Purtill has taken steps to cut down on the penalties this week, especially those of the "holding" variety.  Looks like rain again tomorrow which could keep the scoring low.  I wonder how the Knights rushing defense (less than 90 yds/game) will fare against Knox's only offense, the running game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on September 29, 2006, 12:12:47 PM
Time for the picks of the week....

Ripon at Carroll – Carroll's D is good enough to shut Ripon down.....CC 21-17

Lawrence at Illinois College – Jennings is good, but Lawrence proves that they are a pretty good team   LU 24-21

Monmouth at Grinnell – Monmouth follows up last years 69-14 win with another 60 point performance.  MC 62-7

St. Norbert at Knox – Knox has a running offense that is pretty good, but SNC is too good, Norbert 35-14

Beloit at Lake Forest – Lake Forest follows up their narrow loss last week with their first win of the year, LFC 14-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 30, 2006, 04:23:40 PM
Anyone have a score for the IC - LU game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2006, 04:54:54 PM
According to the D3football.com Scoreboard page and webcasts...

Illinois College 21 - Lawrence 20   FINAL
Ripon 21 - Carroll 14   FINAL
St. Norbert leads Knox 35-21   Early in the 4th quarter
Monmouth leads Grinnell 44-18   Early in the 4th quarter
Lake Forest leads Beloit 23-0   Halftime...hasn't been updated recently
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 30, 2006, 05:07:21 PM
Thanks, Maverick.

I think the Lawrence game was just added to the scoreboard.  Sound like a tough loss for the Vikes.  Hopefully, they'll turn it around and finish the season strong.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on September 30, 2006, 05:42:04 PM
So by coolaw56's logic I can't make love to a fat, ugly girl and then call her fat and ugly the next day? Cause lord knows I've been there done that right 14?!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2006, 05:49:03 PM
All final scores now...

Illinois College 21 - Lawrence 20
Ripon 21 - Carroll 14
St. Norbert 42 - Knox 27
Monmouth 51 - Grinnell 31
Lake Forest 23 - Beloit 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2006, 06:28:52 PM
JeffP, Did you attend the game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on September 30, 2006, 06:40:16 PM
I agree Emmy, Fat ugly girls are usually fatter and more ugly the next day. been there done that.......The Conference is brutal but LFC Rules.....
   -Homer Call-
Now every Intuative College football prognosticator is wrong from time to time (Knox over SNC) but LF took care of Biz..2 Pic for half stack #10. Hawks soraed, Scots Rolled, and the Viks lost by one point.
     Now lets go Hawkeyes........and Hail to the victors!!!!
#14 out
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 30, 2006, 11:27:18 PM
Only 110 yds in penalties (only?) today for the Knights including 2 roughing the kicker penalties that Knox took advantage of and scored 2 td's.  On a brighter note, Purtill's remedy for all the holding penalties seemed to work.  They only had two holding penalties and those were on receivers not linemen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 01, 2006, 01:12:41 AM
I had a commitment that kept me away from the television tonight, so I TIVOed Iowa vs. Ohio State and I am getting ready to watch it. As a Wisconsin fan rooting for an OSU loss, I am sure I am about to be disappointed, but believe it or not, my precautions have kept me from hearing a score yet.

After a review of the D3scoreboards from today, I'd like to share a few thoughts on the MWC. I don't know if its better coaching or talent or both, or if other leagues are down, but the MWC looks pretty solid to me compared to years past. Grinnell and Knox both had better than expected showings against Monmouth and St. Norbert teams that I now think stack up pretty well nationally.

I know basing teams on how they play common opponents can be worthless, but I do think it has some merit. Some thoughts...

Millikin is 1-3 after playing a very very tough schedule and their lone win was a 24-20 rally against IC. Millkin lost to #21 Wheaton 20-7 today...this morning I would have thought Wheaton would blowout Millikin and anyone in the MWC, but not anymore.

Wartburg took #13 Central to OT, losing 13-7. Monmouth lost 20-0 to Wartburg after floundering on two red zone attempts and with a QB in his first start. #14 Coe also lost to Loras.

I am convinced that the MWC's top two and maybe three and four can compete against the same schools from the CCIW and IIAC, something I have never said before. Anyone have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 01, 2006, 06:40:35 AM
That could be but it only matters if the MWC champ plays a CCIW or IIAC team in the first round. Chances are we will get a WIAC or MIAC opponent again and the results won't be much different from last year. Granted the MWC is improving but in some respects we are still the first round bye for the home team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 01, 2006, 09:16:24 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 01, 2006, 06:40:35 AM
That could be but it only matters if the MWC champ plays a CCIW or IIAC team in the first round. Chances are we will get a WIAC or MIAC opponent again and the results won't be much different from last year. Granted the MWC is improving but in some respects we are still the first round bye for the home team.

Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 01, 2006, 01:12:41 AM
I know basing teams on how they play common opponents can be worthless, but I do think it has some merit. Some thoughts…

Wartburg took #13 Central to OT, losing 13-7. Monmouth lost 20-0 to Wartburg after floundering on two red zone attempts and with a QB in his first start. #14 Coe also lost to Loras.

I am convinced that the MWC’s top two and maybe three and four can compete against the same schools from the CCIW and IIAC, something I have never said before. Anyone have any thoughts?


You thought wrong.

Using your common opponent theory here is where you are flawed in your thinking that the MIAC is better than the IIAC.

Last Years Playoff Results.
UWW 34  St.John's 7
UWW 34  Central 14

St. John's 62 Monmouth 3
Also, your theory says that Monmouth would have been beaten even worse by Central.

This Year
Now, you say that Monmouth is close to the top teams of the IIAC because they got beat 20-0 to Wartburg then Wartburg loses to Central in O.T.  You think Monmouth is close because they got shutout by Wartburg 20-0 and give the excuse that the  new QB is why it wasn't closer.  In reality it wasn't a complete blowout because Wartburg not only had a new QB, but also had a new head coach. 

Not to worry however, because if Central runs the table there is a good chance your champion will play them, in Pella, in the first round.  Then we can really see how close you are to the top of the IIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 01, 2006, 08:18:04 PM
9 votes for SNC in the current D3 poll.  What will the "haters" say now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on October 01, 2006, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk link=topic=4737.msg566358#msg566358

Using your common opponent theory here is where you are flawed in your thinking that the MIAC is better than the IIAC.

Yeah, there are plenty of other reasons ....  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 01, 2006, 11:04:09 PM
"The Bears must be the best team in the NFC."

                                                                  John Madden
If John said it, it must be true.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on October 02, 2006, 08:37:01 AM
Scottie-

Nope, got sick, but listened on the radio and talked to sportscaster and players since the game. I guess GC played their best game of the season against the team they consider to be the best in the league. MC coulda made it MUCH worse if they chose to. Good hard fought FB game all around.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2006, 08:49:47 AM
Too much coffee, JeffP??   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on October 02, 2006, 03:37:46 PM
No, not enough Zicam. :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 03, 2006, 01:40:13 PM
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 03, 2006, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: Forester 14 on October 03, 2006, 01:40:13 PM
Bud Light presents: Real Men of Genius.

Reeeeal men of geeeeeniuuuus!

Today we salute YOU, Mr. Really Mad Internet Sports Fan Guy

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That was excellent.  LOL :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on October 04, 2006, 08:48:47 AM
Forester,

You just brought hope back to this board!!!   :)

"loggin' on now" ...... ;D I can hear that guy's voice in my head.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 04, 2006, 12:13:47 PM
Forester - That is classic!  I love it!  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 04, 2006, 01:33:22 PM
Thank You All
It was given to me by Kyle Langhoff #77
  I can not take the credit for this masterpiece....

P.S. I did however see Roger Clemens & Derek Jeter take steroids, but not Miguel Tejada or Andy Pettite.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2006, 01:27:28 AM
A Scottie haiku for the d3hoops crowd...

Norbert v. Monmouth
Kind of a big game, agree?
Yet, no discussion.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 05, 2006, 11:31:23 AM
The College Game Day Picks, Built by Holman Drilling.

Pioneers @ Blue Boys> This has all the ingredients of a classic match up. The Blue Boys have sqeezed by the last two games and are sitting pretty at 3-1 in conference. The Pioneers limp into Jacksonville battered and with their backs against the wall. I see the Blue Boys coming out ontop with the pass game taking a back seat to the ground attack. Nobody cirlces the wagons like the Pioneers but it's the Blue Boys special teams that break the game open.
Blue Boys 27 - Pioneers 17

Buccaneers @ Red Hawks> The Yuc's remain on the road to play the Red Hot Hawks fresh of a win against a solid Carroll team. Yuc's Off is down right ugly, while the Hawks are clicking. Hawks win in a laugher.
Red Hawks 38 - Bucs 7

Prairie Fire @ Pioneers> It has been a long season in Wally World. Coach Wallace had his team prepaired for Monmouth, and Knox killed me last week. But you have to go with you head and not your heart. Wally rallies the troops, but Knox pulls it out late in a game closer than the experts predict.
Prairie Fire 24 - Pioneers 20 

Game of the Week
Scots @ Green Knights> This is for the whole ball of WAX. All the Experts will go on for days about this game, so I will keep it simple. Daniels Runs, Daniels Scores, Scots Win.
Scots 24 - Knights 14


Foresters @ Vikings> It's a night time affair in the Banta Bowl with a 6pm kickoff. The Forester Off awoke from it's slumber last week and continues to run on all cylinders. The Vikings will try to feed Wren the rock as much as possible. Not enough. Vikings fall at home.
Foresters 31 - Vikings 10



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on October 05, 2006, 11:49:04 AM
Pioneers @ Blue Boys> Simple thought here......IC is moving up in the standings, while Carroll is moving down in the standings
Blue Boys 31 - Pioneers 14

Buccaneers @ Red Hawks> Faulds scores 4 times against Beloit and Ripon rolls into their matchup against Monmouth next week at 5-0 in the conference.
Red Hawks 45 - Bucs 13

Prairie Fire @ Pioneers> Knox "runs" with their near upset last week, while Grinnell has a let down from a good showing last week against Monmouth.
Prairie Fire 41 - Pioneers 18 


Scots @ Green Knights> Last years game was an instant classic with a huge comeback by the Scots in the 2nd half.  Tanney is gone this year, however the Scots are turning back to a 2 deminsional offense with Mundt at qb.  Norbert has a great pass-catch combo with Craig and O'Connell.  This year will be just as good as last year, but the Scots spoil homecoming in De Pere in front of what almost sounds like a home crowd because of the amount of Fighting Scots faithful that will be making the trip. 
Scots 17 - Knights 13

Foresters @ Vikings> LF got on the board last week with a dominating first victory.  They roll again this week against a team with out a good offense.
Foresters 24 - Vikings 0

to go along with the Gameday trend.....I would be finding a large foam Scots head and putting it on right now. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 05, 2006, 05:13:39 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 05, 2006, 01:27:28 AM
A Scottie haiku for the d3hoops crowd...

Norbert v. Monmouth
Kind of a big game, agree?
Yet, no discussion.

Another masterpiece haiku...by the haiku master himself.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 05, 2006, 07:07:55 PM
I have only three predictions for this weekend:

1-There will be a football game in Depere this Saturday

2-The weather will be good

3-There won't be a homecoming (it's next week)

As you can see I'm going way out on a limb with these predictions.  Oh, and yes, homecoming next week will suck if the Scots win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 05, 2006, 08:16:42 PM
I actually spent a lot of time looking at this game and came to the conclusion that it's a toss up.  Penalties, turnovers and desire will make the difference in this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 05, 2006, 10:02:18 PM
This game is featured in Around the Region Midwest and has a paragraph in Around the Nation.  I think that's the most coverage this conference has received in a while.  We should enjoy this while it lasts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2006, 11:14:44 PM
Cheers Mr. Clyde Hughes!
Under Pat Coleman's radar.
Much Midwest Conf luv!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2006, 01:47:40 AM
Clyde isn't under my radar, he's on my payroll. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 06, 2006, 02:44:49 AM
#10 has as many picks in one game than you in any season, but then again #10 has no one as good over top to take them all away........   easy money, ha
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on October 06, 2006, 12:02:55 PM
My bad on the homecoming comment....I had recieved information that it was St. Norbert's homecoming this week.
Title: Lawrence vs Lake Forest
Post by: southsox on October 06, 2006, 12:14:44 PM
The predictions on this site baffle me for this game... let's analyze the stats---
Lawrence avgs. 21ppg  against Monmouth, St. Norbert's, etc

Lake Forest avgs 14 vs IC, Beloit, SNC

Regardlessof defensive ability... WREN RUNS WILD!!! (LAW-176 ypg rushing, LFC 126 ypg)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on October 06, 2006, 04:19:33 PM
Aljay Wren puts up 200+ tomorrow night on the ground and 100+ Receiving. Book it,but dont hold me to it,LOL. Good Luck to all this weekend.
Title: Re: Lawrence vs Lake Forest
Post by: kiltman85 on October 06, 2006, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: southsox on October 06, 2006, 12:14:44 PM
The predictions on this site baffle me for this game... let's analyze the stats---
Lawrence avgs. 21ppg  against Monmouth, St. Norbert's, etc

Lake Forest avgs 14 vs IC, Beloit, SNC

Regardlessof defensive ability... WREN RUNS WILD!!! (LAW-176 ypg rushing, LFC 126 ypg)


The only reason that Lawrence has such a high avg. is because they put up 45 against Grinnell (53 ppg on D), which is the least amount that Grinnell has given up this year.  Lawrence only scored a total of 20 points against Monmouth and St. Norbert.  This won't be that close of a game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on October 07, 2006, 06:16:57 PM
What a down year and sloppy ball club that St. Nubs is this year! only 48 but hey a wins a win right? 452 yards to 181! haha speak foolish 14 speak!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2006, 09:24:00 PM
Unbelievable...just unreal.  Appears from the game story and box score that the Knights played very well and the Scots played not so well.  Although it pains me, I tip my hat to St. Norbert for their very convincing win in today's game.  Hope MC can put this one behind them and right the ship for next week's game against a resurgent Ripon program.

scottie - Was at the Illinois-Indiana game today...were you around anywhere for that?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 07, 2006, 11:19:34 PM
Went to my first LU game tonight.  I guess I picked a good one.  The turning point in the game was at the end of the first half:  LFC blocked a punt and had a 1st and goal from the 5.  LU stuffed them twice on the run and then made a great play to intercept in the end zone.  LFC had a chance to go up at the half but went into the locker room tied.

Hopefully, LU can at least get some momentum going this season and carry it forward to next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on October 07, 2006, 11:30:10 PM
Norbert did in fact play a heck of a football game today.  The defense was all over the place and really confused the young MC qb.  Even though I hated to hear the bell at the end of the game I must say that I have great respect for St. Norbert because they played like a conference champ should play like.  They still have a tough one at Ripon though.....no one is talking about them
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 08, 2006, 12:49:50 AM
I imagine most of the Scot's fans are in shock after what happened today.  I know I am.  I know they aren't as bad as the score might indicate and I think SNC benefitted from a couple of bad calls.  Those missed calls probably wouldn't have made that much difference anyway.  The Knights were fired up from the start.  I looked over to the east endzone after the game and could sympathize with the Monmouth players, parents and fans remembering how it felt last year.  Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2006, 09:48:46 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 07, 2006, 09:24:00 PM
Unbelievable...just unreal.  Appears from the game story and box score that the Knights played very well and the Scots played not so well.  Although it pains me, I tip my hat to St. Norbert for their very convincing win in today's game.  Hope MC can put this one behind them and right the ship for next week's game against a resurgent Ripon program.

scottie - Was at the Illinois-Indiana game today...were you around anywhere for that?

Hey Mav.  No, I was in Peoria over the weekend and didn't hear about the Illinois game until it was over with.  I must say that I was equally shocked at the outcomes of both games.  I'm not shocked that StN won, but just by the score.  Eight turnovers = Ouch!

Don't get me started on the Fighting Zooksters...   :-X   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on October 09, 2006, 08:29:08 AM
Detroit wins the 1st round!

Iowa 47-Purdue 17

Grinnell Men's and Womens soccer undefeated in Conference play!

Grinnell 35-Knox 34!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On a last minute PAT by a guy with 3 WHOLE DAYS FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!

There IS a Dog in heaven! ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 09, 2006, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: jeffp on October 09, 2006, 08:29:08 AM
Detroit wins the 1st round!

Iowa 47-Purdue 17

Grinnell Men's and Womens soccer undefeated in Conference play!

Grinnell 35-Knox 34!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On a last minute PAT by a guy with 3 WHOLE DAYS FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!

There IS a Dog in heaven! ;D :D ;D

And Iowa even beat Illinois 2-1 in basketball player arrests!  When you're hot, you're hot!!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on October 09, 2006, 01:37:09 PM
Why Scottie! What a well-deserved cheap shot! Shame on you! ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 09, 2006, 03:44:43 PM
If you had beaten us 2-0, I wouldn't have mentioned it.  But since we've joined you in the "who needs to use your brain when you're a star athlete and have everything a college student could ever want, and more" department, I had to chime in. 

What are these guys thinking???  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hjmphelp on October 09, 2006, 04:30:33 PM
Thinking with the 19 ACT score head, I'd bet...or maybe the little head instead as seems to be the case with most Uof Iowa BBallers.









Ladies beware-Pierre Pierce is outta the slammer as of last Tuesday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: southsox on October 09, 2006, 06:14:32 PM
I thought Wren would have a field day against LFC, I was wrong, but a big thank you to the combination of our Defense and the LFC Offense, we were able to get the win..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 11, 2006, 09:00:22 PM
What happend to everyone???  Another big game on the schedle for this weekend. A Ripon win sets up a showdown with St. Norbert.

Any predictions for the game. Is Ripon the underdog despite what has happend. Monmouth has handled them pretty easily the past few games. How will Monmouth repond to the whooping they took?

any thoughts

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 12, 2006, 10:53:01 AM
This Weeks Picks

Blue Boys @ Buccaneers> The Blue Boys come rolling into Beloit riding the strong arm of Pete Jennings. while The Bucs are desperately trying make repairs to the thier quickly sinking ship. IC wins big.
Blue Boys 34 - Bucs 7

Vikings @ Prairie Fire> The Fire return home after the Grinnell game madder then a kebbler elf who got demoted down to fudge packer. I see the Fire pulling this one out in a close game.
Fire 21 - Vikings 20

Pioneers @ Foresters> A pair of (1-5) ball clubs come together in a battle for pride. LFC has wone the last four meetings between the two. I see the Foresters D steping up and pulling it out late.
Foresters 17 - Pioneers 13

GAME OF THE WEEK
Red Hawks @ Fighting Scots> This shapes up to be a great matchup, The Scots were embarrased last week at the hands of the Nubs, and Ripon has quietly crept back into respectability. The Game is in Scotland and looks to be cool, But I smell an upset. no wait that smell is the LFC offence. Scots win
Scots 34 - Red Hawks 27


Pioneers @ Green Knights> The wheels have officaly fallen of the Pioneer wagons. Don't look for a Nub let down after thier big win. Knights roll.
Knights 56 - Pioneers 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 12, 2006, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: Forester 14 on October 12, 2006, 10:53:01 AM

But I smell an upset. no wait that smell is the LFC offence.



That stench isn't recent by any means, it has been that way for quite some time. 

Give me the 4th leading tackler for the W.M. Broncos back......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on October 13, 2006, 10:01:03 AM
Give me the 4th leading tackler for the W.M. Broncos back......

Hey that can't be right! He was told by his coach he had no chance to play at the next level! Ooooops! But I did see that Ohio QB cut him down don't wanna see that again! Big game vs. the Huskie this weekend. Besides that Knights roll nothing else matters!


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 13, 2006, 10:53:19 AM
Roadtrip back to DeKalb in Nov for NIU vs. CMU You in pussies?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on October 13, 2006, 01:45:35 PM
Good for that kid,never stop trying to be the best you can be.You all need to root for this MWC kid.Once a MWC athlete always a MWC athlete.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on October 14, 2006, 01:01:19 PM
Illinois College at Beloit---   IC continues to roll and moves to 5-1 in the conference, IC 31-7

Lawrence at Knox--- Knox runs the option and runs it well.  Lawrence makes it a good game, but comes up short.  Knox 24-17

Grinnell at Lake Forest--- Grinnell got a win last week and Lake Forest lost a game in which they didn't have much of anything on the offensive side.  Grinnell keeps it rolling and Pfalzer accounts for 21 points, GC 35-21

Ripon at Monmouth-- Monmouth has forgot about last week and will prove it today.  Ripon can run, but they don't have enough of anything else, MC 45-14

Carroll at St. Norbert--- This game would have been the game of the week if Rogers weren't out for the season....Norbert rolls again, SNC 31-10
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 14, 2006, 05:15:40 PM
IC didn't exactly roll but they did enough when it mattered in a turnoverfest to down BC 30-20. This could be a rivalry in the making as IC drove to the 3 with less than 30 seconds left before finally taking a knee to end it. Although Beloits rally came too late it did come against ICs 1st team defense, so that's a positive.

No word on the IC player that had to be taken away in the ambulance but best wishes to him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on October 14, 2006, 06:20:32 PM
Big win today at Bobby Woll Memorial Field.  MC 24-14

Daniels breaks 1100 yards on the year by running for 247 and 2 TDs today. 

The defense was big today with the D line winning the battle up front.  The Ripon FB Perkins left the game in the third with what looked like a calf injury and another kid for Ripon was lit up and knocked out on a kickoff return.  I hope that both of these players bounce back for their big game next week against Norbert. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 14, 2006, 07:07:39 PM
Adrian Peterson and Justing Beaver both go down with broken collarbones when their teams were up big.  It's too bad to see such great players have to end their seasons early.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 14, 2006, 07:36:16 PM
Three posts of injured.
Football is a violent sport.
Are you that surprised?


p.s.  Nice comeback week, and win, for the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on October 16, 2006, 11:37:59 AM
I would just like to introduce myself to the rest of the crew.  I am the record breakers #1 fan.  I never thought there would be a player as dynamic as the record breaker.  not only did he set receiving records on the field he set records in teh locker room and on the practice field.  he was truly what d3 football is all about. 

And how about #38 lighting up the night on cable tv this week.  Lets go WMU!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on October 16, 2006, 06:48:02 PM
I just saw that after this weekend Dante Daniels is currently # 1 in the nation in ypg.  He is averaging 169.6 ypg while the second place guy is only averaging 158.4.

Way to go Dante and that big OL at Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 18, 2006, 11:22:55 AM
Another MWC Gameday Predictions presented by Depends.....

Blue Boys @ Pioneers> The Boys in Blue are in the drivers seat and look to continue thier impressive season on the road in Iowa. Blues march out of Grinnell with a win.
Blue Boys 34 - Pioneers 14

GAME OF THE WEEK
Green Knights @ Red Hawks> The Hawks lost a tough one last week, and don't have time to lick thier wounds as the #25 Knights come in with a 16 game winning streak. I see The Hawks scratching out a close game but the knights are to powerfull.
Green Knights 35 - Red Hawks 28


Buccaneers @ Vikings> The Yuc Off averages about 8 pts a game. Super job their boys. Vikings roll at home. Bucs should go back to the wing-T and what they do best, RUN THE BALL.
Vikings 27 - Yucs 6
 
Prarie Fire @ Pioneers> Carroll looks real bad, and Knox could be just what the doctor ordered. I see Carroll mounting a comback for thier season and playing inspired football. Gibbons has a plan but the Fire are exstinguished.
Pioneers 21 - Fire 10

Foresters @ Fighting Scots> Foresters can beat Monmouth, but they need to stop Daniels. It will take a total team effort and alot of help on the Special Teams. Foresters haven't won in Monmouth since 2002, and I don't see a change.
Breaks my heart but....
Fighting Scots 49 - Foresters 7
 
 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 18, 2006, 01:58:52 PM
Any former Fighting Scots that haven't posted on here lately planning on being back in Monmouth this weekend for homecoming?  Let's hear from some of you guys on here...

scottie - First off, another nice haiku.  Secondly, how about Saturday's performance by the Fighting Zooksters vs. mighty Ohio U.?  Quite an embarassment I'd say.  Finally, I know you'll be around for HC so I'll keep an eye out for you this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FloridaScot on October 19, 2006, 09:35:20 AM
Howdy Maverick,
I am sorry to say that I wont be attending the homecoming/ BOG BOWL this year but to make up for the absence I also wont be sending the school a donation. Im broke and still paying for the wedding. I hope everythings going well in the great North. It's probably snowing right now isn't it. Have you gotten a steady gig at a school?If not I could probably find you a job a J.W.Mitchell HS.
I'm glad to see the Scotties rebound from a Nubs whoopin and beat a quality opponent.
Take it easy Brother
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 19, 2006, 11:21:07 AM
Oh my...well administration, I hope you are happy. Beloit is not only doing poorly, we can no longer run the ball with Lee? My word. The wing-t only brought victories and now we are everyone else--Spread--Booo.

Well, I hope this new guy can recruit, because 8 pts a game is not getting this done!!

Out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on October 19, 2006, 04:42:51 PM
Blue Boys @ Pioneers> IC is on a roll and they go into a home game with Monmouth, which will be the game of the week next week, on that same roll and in second place in the conference.
Blue Boys 45 - Pioneers 28

GAME OF THE WEEK
Green Knights @ Red Hawks> Wow, this could be the best game of the year.  Ripon was shut down last week by the Scots and the Green Knights just keep rolling lately.  Even though Ripon has home field against Norbert, I think that St. Norbert is too powerful. (I would love to see the Red Hawks win this week though....GO RIPON!!!!)
Green Knights 28 - Red Hawks 7

Buccaneers @ Vikings> Beloit's offense is really bad and Lawrence has a pretty good defense.  That doesn't add up well for the Bucs.
Vikings 24 - Yucs 0
 
Prarie Fire @ Pioneers> Carroll's season went down the drain when Rogers got hurt.  The Prairie Fire are still in shock after the outcome of the last 2 weeks.  It's not that Carroll wins the game, it's that Knox finds a new way to lose it. 
Pioneers 21 - Knox 14

Foresters @ Fighting Scots> Daniels has a chance to break a school record for rushing on Homecoming this week.  Lake Forest has a tremendous D, but it doesn't make up for their lack of offense.  Daniels runs and breaks the school record with ease.
Fighting Scots 42 - Foresters 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2006, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 18, 2006, 01:58:52 PM
Any former Fighting Scots that haven't posted on here lately planning on being back in Monmouth this weekend for homecoming?  Let's hear from some of you guys on here...

scottie - First off, another nice haiku.  Secondly, how about Saturday's performance by the Fighting Zooksters vs. mighty Ohio U.?  Quite an embarassment I'd say.  Finally, I know you'll be around for HC so I'll keep an eye out for you this weekend.

What was that website?  Fireronzook.com?   :D  At least I've got the Louisvlle "Fighting" Cardinals to cheer for.  (And I'll be at the West Virginia game, by the way.)

I'll see you around Saturday.  Will be up on the hill most of the game, but will also stretch my legs from time to time.  See you there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on October 20, 2006, 12:18:48 AM
Lawrence will kick some poon this week!  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2006, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 19, 2006, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 18, 2006, 01:58:52 PM
Any former Fighting Scots that haven't posted on here lately planning on being back in Monmouth this weekend for homecoming?  Let's hear from some of you guys on here...

scottie - First off, another nice haiku.  Secondly, how about Saturday's performance by the Fighting Zooksters vs. mighty Ohio U.?  Quite an embarassment I'd say.  Finally, I know you'll be around for HC so I'll keep an eye out for you this weekend.

What was that website?  Fireronzook.com?   :D  At least I've got the Louisvlle "Fighting" Cardinals to cheer for.  (And I'll be at the West Virginia game, by the way.)

I'll see you around Saturday.  Will be up on the hill most of the game, but will also stretch my legs from time to time.  See you there.

Yeah I believe fireronzook.com was that website...and apparently those Gator fans started it for a reason...hopefully Juice saves his job for him in these next couple seasons!  I'll be down on field level around the fence somewhere, might head up the hill at some point though to see who is up there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 21, 2006, 04:58:53 PM
Lake Forest beats Monmouth 12-8...there havent been many upsets inthe MWC this season, but that is a big one...congrats to forester nation

IC hosts Monmouth next week, can they beat the scots to force a showdown in De Pere?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 21, 2006, 09:48:05 PM
What a GAME  >:(  6 Turnovers!!!!!!!  You can not win a game with 6 turnovers (3 ints and 3 fumbles), and lose 5 of them.   I wish I was there, cause looking at the stats Ripon kicked the greenbacks a$$ in ever aspect of the game except where it matters the most, scoreboard.  What even sucks the most is the fact that Monmouth lost, which would have put Ripon on top!  You take away the 6 turnovers, and the -1 yard punt, and we have a newspaper heading reading "RIPON WINS, RIPON WINS!!!"  They played hard, can't take that away from them.  Congrats guys on a close one!!  Lets finish the season strong.           
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 23, 2006, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: Forester 14 on October 18, 2006, 11:22:55 AM

Foresters @ Fighting Scots> Foresters can beat Monmouth, but they need to stop Daniels. It will take a total team effort and alot of help on the Special Teams. Foresters haven't won in Monmouth since 2002, and I don't see a change.
Breaks my heart but....
Fighting Scots 49 - Foresters 7
 


Congrats to Lake Forest

Pretty close on this prediction......
Was there still a homecoming celebration for Daniels???
Who are these Carter boys from St. Violator???
Wasn't there a kicker by the name of Carter a few years back???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on October 23, 2006, 07:07:29 PM
Well seems like Forester nation flipped up those lil skirts and filled some pipes! not those pipes on the bags! Congrats on a good win. But I love the pre-game! It seams quite clear that LFC plays to their level of competition and have grossly underachieved this year! Too too bad! An about the Carters as you can see HERO they get better as they get younger.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 24, 2006, 10:24:05 AM
A Huge win for Forester Nation........Lost to the NUBs by 7, IC on last second TD. Underachieved is right, but the boys have played well as of late and are riding a two game win streak.........I am just sorry i missed the shower scene after the game......minus Shlitz in the corner
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on October 24, 2006, 10:33:27 AM

Who are these Carter boys from St. Violator???
Wasn't there a kicker by the name of Carter a few years back???
[/quote]

I remeber that Carter was a pretty sick reciever too...  and one a great soap soccer goalie....


but they all owe it to the record breaker he set the bar at lfc....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on October 25, 2006, 09:16:27 AM
Yeh, and that Carter didn't even have a chest!!!!!!!!

Way to go FORESTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 25, 2006, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Forester 14 on October 24, 2006, 10:24:05 AM
A Huge win for Forester Nation........Lost to the NUBs by 7, IC on last second TD. Underachieved is right, but the boys have played well as of late and are riding a two game win streak.........I am just sorry i missed the shower scene after the game......minus Shlitz in the corner

That is just wrong on so many levels!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on October 25, 2006, 08:31:40 PM
who invited ritz anyway?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 25, 2006, 10:41:15 PM
ritz and those MIAC guys are always welcome around here!  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on October 25, 2006, 11:28:04 PM
Hmmm............ Mav i haven't seen you in the shower. Unless you were hiding behind Shlitz
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on October 26, 2006, 10:01:12 AM
GAME OF THE WEEK
Fighting Scots @ Blue Boys> Woooo Nelly, the Scots were upset at home last weekend, and believe me, this guy was the first one to hear about it. Yes yes I was wrong on my pick last weekend, but nothing is perfect, excepts for #23's pillow. Back to the game, I think that the Monmouth O will have trouble, and this new QB will be pressured all day. I see the Blue Boys winning this one at home infront of a loud and noisy crowd.
Blue Boys 21 - Scots 17/b]

Foresters @ Praire Fire> I have learned my lesson, never bet against the program. Foresters Dominate infront of thier old coach/ new AD at Knox, in the Knox (Toliet) Bowl.
Foresters 24 - Fire 10

Pioneers @ Red Hawks> The Pioneers have played well as of late but so have the Hawks, I see a well played game on both sides but the Hawks are too much for the Pioneers.
Hawks 34 - Pioneers 14

Green Knights @ Buccaneers> When was the last time the Yuc's beat the Nub's? Anyone? Knights Roll.
Green 56 - Yuc's 9

Vikings @ Pioneers> The Vikings storm the city of Waukesha looking for thier fifth win in conference. Carroll is hurting and this could hurt even more. Vikings plunder the Wauk.
Vikings 28 - Pioneers 17


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 26, 2006, 11:49:54 AM
Forester,

The last time BC beat SNC was '98 @ SNC........
oh how the bucs have fallen.

They could salvage their season with an upset victory---but that one is not likely to happen


Roop

What year did you go to Beloit?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2006, 12:31:21 PM
Quote from: Emmys First Class on October 25, 2006, 11:28:04 PM
Hmmm............ Mav i haven't seen you in the shower. Unless you were hiding behind Shlitz

EFC - That's because Mav hasn't been in the shower with anyone close to the name Shlitz...sorry.  I'm counting myself lucky that I don't even know who Shlitz is right now!  :P

scottie - I need some haiku defense here!  Help another Fighting Scot out!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 26, 2006, 06:03:59 PM
Quote from: Forester 14 on October 26, 2006, 10:01:12 AM
GAME OF THE WEEK
Fighting Scots @ Blue Boys> Woooo Nelly, the Scots were upset at home last weekend, and believe me, this guy was the first one to hear about it. Yes yes I was wrong on my pick last weekend, but nothing is perfect, excepts for #23's pillow. Back to the game, I think that the Monmouth O will have trouble, and this new QB will be pressured all day. I see the Blue Boys winning this one at home infront of a loud and noisy crowd.
Blue Boys 21 - Scots 17/b]



Ha, Nicely said, Big fight for a second place finish in conference.  IC needs a big game out of anchor man Peter Jennings throwing it all over to win.

Quote from: Forester 14 on October 26, 2006, 10:01:12 AM
GAME OF THE WEEK

Foresters @ Praire Fire> I have learned my lesson, never bet against the program. Foresters Dominate infront of thier old coach/ new AD at Knox, in the Knox (Toliet) Bowl.
Foresters 24 - Fire 10



I believe Toilet Bowl is correct and it would be correct if Belwa could win any games and Grinell had more than one win in their last 15 .  But, we'll settle for Trees and Fairies.  Foresters win by #10 blocking an extra point 7-6.  Good game though as neither offense can do anything.

Quote from: Forester 14 on October 26, 2006, 10:01:12 AM
GAME OF THE WEEK


Pioneers @ Red Hawks> The Pioneers have played well as of late but so have the Hawks, I see a well played game on both sides but the Hawks are too much for the Pioneers.
Hawks 34 - Pioneers 14



I just don't get this one.  Pioneers playing well of late???  They have won one game all year and that was 3 weeks ago by one point over Knox.  They have been blown out every other week except LFC by 7.  I see a one-sided disaster and its all Ripon once again blowing the mother-lovin doors off Grinnell 42-7, but wait.....  I just saw that Grinnell is giving up 44 points per.  Let's make it 45-10 then.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 28, 2006, 03:47:18 PM
It's a longshot I know, but does anyone have updates on the LU-Carroll game?  The Vikings could clinch their first winning season since 1987!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 28, 2006, 05:21:36 PM
OK, Monmouth over IC 17-7.  Any MWC scores out there?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on October 28, 2006, 05:32:59 PM
Yea 37-6 Carroll roles!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 28, 2006, 05:42:48 PM
Ouch, hopefully LU can recover to face rivals Ripon next week.  :(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 28, 2006, 06:40:39 PM
The Ripon Grinnell game is listed wrong on this site.  Ripon won 55-14 Had over 500 yards of rushing, broke the school record.  Right now it's listed as Grinnell over Ripon 55-14.  Congrats to Ripon, and take this into the Lawrence game and kick some Larry's a$$.  End the season on a high note, and don't give Lawrence even a sniff at a winning season!!! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 28, 2006, 07:52:26 PM
SNC  37 Beloit 7

Congratulations to the couch potato, hmus and the rest of the 2006 Midwest Conference Champion Green Knights!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2006, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on October 28, 2006, 06:40:39 PM
The Ripon Grinnell game is listed wrong on this site.  Ripon won 55-14 Had over 500 yards of rushing, broke the school record.  Right now it's listed as Grinnell over Ripon 55-14.

Something as important as a school posting its score incorrectly is probably worth an e-mail to me. I could've fixed it before the school realized its error.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 29, 2006, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2006, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on October 28, 2006, 06:40:39 PM
The Ripon Grinnell game is listed wrong on this site.  Ripon won 55-14 Had over 500 yards of rushing, broke the school record.  Right now it's listed as Grinnell over Ripon 55-14.

Something as important as a school posting its score incorrectly is probably worth an e-mail to me. I could've fixed it before the school realized its error.




Sorry wasnt trying to ruffle any feathers.  Just wanted to have it posted correctly. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2006, 07:53:32 PM
Despite the 37-7 final. Beloit was in danger of making a game of it when they closed the margin to     17-7. On the ensuing St. Norbert possesion Beloit intercepted and looked to have good field position until they fumbled (on the interception return) without being hit and St. Norbert recovered. From there the wheels fell off the cart in a hurry.

The St. Norbert fans were quite well behaved so I'm not sure where their bad reputation comes from.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 30, 2006, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 29, 2006, 07:53:32 PM
Despite the 37-7 final. Beloit was in danger of making a game of it when they closed the margin to     17-7. On the ensuing St. Norbert possesion Beloit intercepted and looked to have good field position until they fumbled (on the interception return) without being hit and St. Norbert recovered. From there the wheels fell off the cart in a hurry.

The St. Norbert fans were quite well behaved so I'm not sure where their bad reputation comes from.

The Norbies fans have always been well behaved, except for Greg Cowlick!

Looks as though it is going to be a NOrbie vs. SJU game in round #1 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: keithhansonfanclub16 on October 30, 2006, 09:43:54 PM

Foresters @ Praire Fire> I have learned my lesson, never bet against the program. Foresters Dominate infront of thier old coach/ new AD at Knox, in the Knox (Toliet) Bowl.
Foresters 24 - Fire 10


[/quote]

I believe Toilet Bowl is correct and it would be correct if Belwa could win any games and Grinell had more than one win in their last 15 .  But, we'll settle for Trees and Fairies.  Foresters win by #10 blocking an extra point 7-6.  Good game though as neither offense can do anything.

That just isnt your average #10, THATS KEITH HANSON!!!! BOLLLLLLLA!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ogradyrules on October 31, 2006, 02:57:17 PM

Where is Housh?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KennethK on October 31, 2006, 04:29:34 PM
Quite a few projections have St Norberts vs St Johns in the first round.  How does St Norberts compare with the Monmouth team from 2005?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on October 31, 2006, 05:07:45 PM
KennethK,

Are you training for an appearance on Jeopardy? 99% of your posts are in the form of a question.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on October 31, 2006, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: keithhansonfanclub16 on October 30, 2006, 09:43:54 PM

Foresters @ Praire Fire> I have learned my lesson, never bet against the program. Foresters Dominate infront of thier old coach/ new AD at Knox, in the Knox (Toliet) Bowl.
Foresters 24 - Fire 10



I believe Toilet Bowl is correct and it would be correct if Belwa could win any games and Grinell had more than one win in their last 15 .  But, we'll settle for Trees and Fairies.  Foresters win by #10 blocking an extra point 7-6.  Good game though as neither offense can do anything.

That just isnt your average #10, THATS KEITH HANSON!!!! BOLLLLLLLA!!!!!!!! 
[/quote]



I don't get it... This could arguably be his worst season... Then again maybe other teams are just going the other way, in which case it could be a good season



If the Norbs play the Johns I think it will be another poor showing for the MWC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 31, 2006, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: KennethK on October 31, 2006, 04:29:34 PM
Quite a few projections have St Norberts vs St Johns in the first round.  How does St Norberts compare with the Monmouth team from 2005?
SNC has to beat Illinois Coll. this week before they can worry about anyone in the playoffs.  If they lose they'll probably end up playing UWW.
The easiest comparison from 2005:
UWW 45 SNC 7

UWW 34 SJU 7

or:
Monmouth 28 SNC 20

SJU 62 Monmouth 3

What does this tell us about this year?  Nothing.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Forester 14 on November 01, 2006, 11:22:57 AM
Guys were the MWC.....we fold like old lawn chairs in the playoffs....everyone knows that. That is what happens when you can't leave your own school to recruit and refuse to have spring ball. Were stupid.

Buccaneers @ Pioneers> Talk about a who cares game, there isn't much an SID can do to spoof up this game but for the sake of picking, I have to go with Wally and the Boys from Iowa.
Pioneers 3 - Beloit 0

Game of The Week
Pioneers @ Foresters> I know this is a homer call for game of the week, but really don't care. Foresters are rolling now and look to send the seniors out on a good note. it is a battle for  .500 record and momentum going into the offseason. Foresters win
Foresters 28 - Pioneers 17


Praire Fire @ Fighting Scots> The Old Turkey Bowl. Monmouth is playing for pride and they love to beat on the purple guys across the way. Daniels has a good day and Knox does not. Bell moving on? Gibbons on the hot seat?
Scots 45 - Fire 14

Blue Boys @ Green Knights> Blue boys had thier chance to make this a game, but fell to the Scots last week. Knights win in a closer game than most would pick. IC happy with a 3rd place finish.
Knights 34 - Blues 28 
 
Red Hawks @ Vikings> Reds win in a big game........good seaon for Viks though.
Reds 24 - Vikings 14

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: keithhansonfanclub16 on November 01, 2006, 11:51:46 AM
keith hanson's worst season?  Are you kidding me scoutteamhero?  you should never post again and call your internet provider and inform them you are not allowed to have internet and it will save you some extra cash so you can travel to watch the foresters play and teams ignore hanson's side and act as if he is ty law. 

in regards to FORESTER 14, the foresters are not going to put up 28 points unless the Carter family has an unreal day, which will not happen bc the offensive coordinator isnt smart enough to involve a member of the carter family in the gameplan week in and week out.  foresters get over the hump just bc the record breaker's mystique will be felt by the young forester squad. 

ps  START TESTING FOR THE ROIDS IN D3!!!  especially, NORBERTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on November 01, 2006, 12:12:48 PM
Wow!
I never thought it was possible to lose all credit on the board in only 2 posts
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 01, 2006, 12:20:14 PM
Quote from: Early on November 01, 2006, 12:12:48 PM
Wow!
I never thought it was possible to lose all credit on the board in only 2 posts

Well guess again...  Ha! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 12:26:38 PM
You should've seen the one I deleted last night.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: keithhansonfanclub16 on November 01, 2006, 12:54:05 PM
CREDIT???  im not here for credit. especially on a site that should be run by an unbiased administrator rather than a closet green knights fan who just deletes hall of fame posts.  i could care less of what anyone thinks about my posts.  i just take offense when some washed up d3 player somewhere in the middle of illinois calls out one of my boys who is playing hard every play. 

BTW is forester 14 trying to be chris berman or is he just a naia wr coach somewhere in the middle of missouri?

keep sending the karma down...ahhhhh thank you. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 01, 2006, 02:46:11 PM
Beloit

What a poor job this year---should have never let Denny Diericx go as the OC---I feel for Lee R.

Better do a great job recruiting!

out
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 01, 2006, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: keithhansonfanclub16 on November 01, 2006, 11:51:46 AM
watch the foresters play and teams ignore hanson's side and act as if he is ty law. 

which will not happen bc the offensive coordinator isnt smart enough to involve a member of the carter family in the gameplan week in and week out.  foresters get over the hump just bc the record breaker's mystique will be felt by the young forester squad. 

ps  START TESTING FOR THE ROIDS IN D3!!!  especially, NORBERTS


Let's start with this....

I have actually seen a Lake Forest Game before and from what I've seen the other team threw the ball right at him....  nearly every time they threw. 

Who would be the record breaker on Lake Forest.....Louis Bertuca ??

Please with the roids....  I'm guessing you singled out Norberts because you are bitter and they actually have a program and roll every team in this conf.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 01, 2006, 08:00:42 PM
k16,

You're funny.  You probably won't be around much longer though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on November 01, 2006, 09:38:42 PM
Scout team,

The record breakers time was one before louis bertuca, he was a man that you could admire,  The way the sun shined off his bald head, it was as if he was an angel....

But who are you to criticize.  Aren't you one to jump in the middle of things yourself.  One who subs himself in and out as he pleases.

IN dedication of record breakers smashing display of most steps to and from a box drill to start practice.  RB #1 fan out.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: keithhansonfanclub16 on November 01, 2006, 10:58:28 PM
I must apologize to LFC offensive coordinator.  I was only joking about him being stupid just to make a point that lfc wont put up 28 this weekend.  Just being realistic.  In addition, if my time here runs out then that is the decision of the administrator.  I don't think I have offended anyone, I have stood up for myself and former teammate. 

The roid talk ends here and I look forward to more arguments and gross predictions by forester 14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2006, 01:59:45 AM
Quote from: keithhansonfanclub16 on November 01, 2006, 12:54:05 PM
CREDIT???  im not here for credit. especially on a site that should be run by an unbiased administrator rather than a closet green knights fan who just deletes hall of fame posts.

Yawn. You are under the mistaken impression that I care enough about the MWC to be a fan of one team over another. I'm not. Just a fan of avoiding the slander/libel issues.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 02, 2006, 07:23:37 AM
k16
I don't think you'll be kicked out unless you break the rules or become really annoying.  You remind me of some of the hit and run posters who come on hot with a few points to make then disappear when the new version of Grand Theft Auto comes out, never heard from again.  You are amusing, except for your last post.

P.S.
Don't call Pat to our board with negative comments.  He doesn't like us.  He doesn't hate us.  He just doesn't really care about us.  I'm fine with that now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on November 02, 2006, 10:27:14 AM
Quote from: Forester 14 on November 01, 2006, 11:22:57 AM
Guys were the MWC.....we fold like old lawn chairs in the playoffs....everyone knows that. That is what happens when you can't leave your own school to recruit and refuse to have spring ball. Were stupid.


Fold, Fold we don't fold.  Are you calling us french.   I knew you were a frenchmen parading as an italian 14.  The only folding i saw in mwc was you on the practice field evey time you tried to cover rb.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: keithhansonfanclub16 on November 02, 2006, 11:00:44 AM
hey papasmurf, why dont you go watch comedy central bc im not here to entertain.  As for F14, you couldnt cover the older carter brother let alone the record breaker.  i didnt know the mwc allowed frenchmen into the conference.  I think there is a rule that allows wisconsin teams to have 2 frenchmen on their team.  its a rule in the rulebook, dont kill the messenger.

ps: Does papasmurf really have blue skin?  if that is true, then i like him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RCFB#62 on November 02, 2006, 03:36:02 PM
What is the main difference between what the WIAC is doing and the MWC is doing in terms of team activities and building a program.  When I played in the MWC it was the whipping boy of the midwest and really didn't have teams that could compete on a national level,  and on the other hand WIAC is the toughest conference in the nation and they both recruit the same players.  War this chat room, war the Redhawks sticking it to the Larry's for over a decade.  I'm out..........  Oh sorry I think I'm confused.

JIMMY DAHM FOR RC HEAD COACH
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on November 02, 2006, 11:15:58 PM
Hi! I had no idea #10 had a fan club. But this member 16 of his fan club's post are so dreadful and uninspired it reminds me of only one thing. The Chicago Bears play calling of 2004! I don't believe anyone ever questioned the heart, toughness, and how hard lil #10 plays. I spoke with the Record Breaker and he appreciates the complements, but feels they are unnecessary and always has and always will play for shower time, soapy soapy suds! He also mentioned he played half of his carrer with the best backer in the conf. the one Louis Bertuca!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 03, 2006, 07:03:55 AM
You crack me up.  Keep it coming.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 03, 2006, 09:54:54 AM
PapaSmurf...you've probably heard this many times, but, what color does a Smurf turn if he's being choked???
I think it's an old Steven Wright or George Carlin joke.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcwatcher on November 03, 2006, 10:21:01 AM
Good luck to all the seniors who will be playing their last football game this weekend.
Play hard and have some Fun.Congratulation on staying with it for four years just because you love the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RCFB#62 on November 03, 2006, 10:27:43 AM
WIAC teams recruit players from Leawood, Kansas?  Last time i checked they didnt.  anyways, I think you are confused, this isnt the Jim Rome radio show where all of the "clones" say "war" this and "war" that and think they are so creative and funny.  Please save us all the time and never post again.  Much appreciated.



i guess sarcasm is not appreciated on the page, which is a little confusing b/c all of the witty banter.  last time i checked the best players in the WIAC are from wisconsin,  and the wisconsin schools in the MWC try and recruit the same kids, like St Nubs, but what does St. Nubs do differently than all other programs in MWC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcwatcher on November 03, 2006, 11:18:24 AM
RCFB,
I think one reason the WIAC has an edge on the MWC is the size of the schools.The schools in the WIAC avg.about 7500 and in the MWC they avg. about 1200.A lot of kids don't want to go to such small schools.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LAX LB on November 03, 2006, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: keithhansonfanclub16 on November 03, 2006, 11:29:56 AM
They do a variety of things different....Let me begin

1.  They play tug-a-boat in the shower.  (that was heard through word of mouth from former green knight players)
2.  The players/students inhale the fumes from the paper mill factories that infest that horrible state
3.  St. nubs, as you so eloquently put it, has a playbook that weighs about 25 pounds bc they need gimmicks to win unlike illinois schools who just rely on talent and not gimmicks.  (and please save us the time and do not reply with, "you guys dont have talent" or some meathead response like that)
4.  Their best players are canadiens which means they win with the french at the helm.  Thats probably the worst thing they do differently.
5.  The visiting "lockerroom" reminds me of a shower in a concentration camp unlike illinois schools who have class and some type of consideration to provide somewhat of a visiting lockerroom.

Thats all i got ladies and gentlemen...feel free to make some additions.

Awsome a shower in a concentration camp...  Thats good.  If Wisconsin is so bad why is Hwy 41 and 51 fillied with FIBS every summer, can't you vacation at one of your many landfills, man made lakes or sewage riddled rivers.   Isn't Gary ID. looking for that Ill vacation money.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RCFB#62 on November 03, 2006, 11:57:03 AM
Talent didn't help any illinos team this year ..........  Does St. "Norberts" have a spring ball program, do they have manditory team lifting?  Does anyone talk about football, or is this a contest to see how much more lame the neighboring state is in the midwest? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on November 03, 2006, 11:57:56 AM
Pat,
Is it possible to kick someone off this board for spite?  or maybe idiocy?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcwatcher on November 03, 2006, 12:38:08 PM
Hanson must be thrilled that this moran is posting using his name.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 03, 2006, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: RCFB#62 on November 03, 2006, 11:57:03 AM
Talent didn't help any illinos team this year ..........  Does St. "Norberts" have a spring ball program, do they have manditory team lifting?  Does anyone talk about football, or is this a contest to see how much more lame the neighboring state is in the midwest? 
Simply put, the WIAC is better because they get most of the best players.  Why?  Money.  It's cheaper to go there and staying an extra year (red shirting) isn't as much of a financial burden.  I've put some thought into this for the last four years and my conclusion has been backed up around the boards here.  When non injury related red shirting was legal some (most?) of the WIAC schools took advantage of it to the maximum.  How else can you explain UWW having an all freshman starting off. line three years ago?  Now that red shirting has been eliminated in non injury situations and the WIAC teams have an imposed 100 man roster limit the playing field between them and the MWC might level off a little.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2006, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on November 03, 2006, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: RCFB#62 on November 03, 2006, 11:57:03 AM
Talent didn't help any illinos team this year ..........  Does St. "Norberts" have a spring ball program, do they have manditory team lifting?  Does anyone talk about football, or is this a contest to see how much more lame the neighboring state is in the midwest? 
Simply put, the WIAC is better because they get most of the best players.  Why?  Money.  It's cheaper to go there and staying an extra year (red shirting) isn't as much of a financial burden.  I've put some thought into this for the last four years and my conclusion has been backed up around the boards here.  When non injury related red shirting was legal some (most?) of the WIAC schools took advantage of it to the maximum.  How else can you explain UWW having an all freshman starting off. line three years ago?  Now that red shirting has been eliminated in non injury situations and the WIAC teams have an imposed 100 man roster limit the playing field between them and the MWC might level off a little.     

Some very good points there PapaSmurf.  It helps the WIAC schools that they are the cheaper state schools (not saying that as a bad thing, it's just a fact) and they have D-III athletic programs so alot of talented kids get the best of both worlds--less expensive education and can play while going to school.  And it hurts that cheaper state schools in Illinois are places like Western Ill., Eastern Ill., Illinois St., etc. and are D-IAA programs rather than D-III...thus alot of Illinois kids who would like to play close to home in college cannot do so because of that financial burden of higher priced private D-III schools and just end up going to school but not being able to play at one of the state universities.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan77 on November 03, 2006, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: LAX LB on November 03, 2006, 11:39:53 AM

Awsome a shower in a concentration camp...  Thats good.  If Wisconsin is so bad why is Hwy 41 and 51 fillied with FIBS every summer, can't you vacation at one of your many landfills, man made lakes or sewage riddled rivers.   Isn't Gary ID. looking for that Ill vacation money.

LAX LB,

Have you been drinking that Hater-ade again?  You should be thanking us "FIBS" if anything.  If it weren't for us "FIBS" coming up there to vacation, who else would support your economy??? Also, you dont really have any room to talk about dirty rivers.  When was the last time you took a look at the Fox River around Green Bay.  Last time I checked, that wasn't the cleanest thing I've seen.  Plus, if you really want to boil down to things, the recent Chicago Beach closings along the lake front have been linked to sewage dumping occuring in Milwaukee.  You like apples? How do you like them apples.


Against your wish, I will continue to support Huey and Mark at the Hitching Post in Door County with my "FIB" money.  And yes, all this while on my vacation.


Lay off the Hater-ade Chief.

Your Friendly "FIB",

MWCfan77
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on November 03, 2006, 05:06:56 PM
At least in Wisconsin you don't have to pay $$ (a.k.a. tolls) to drive on $hitty roads. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan77 on November 03, 2006, 05:35:22 PM
No you just have to drive behind trailors and hay bailors.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RCFB#62 on November 03, 2006, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: MWCfan77 on November 03, 2006, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: LAX LB on November 03, 2006, 11:39:53 AM

Awsome a shower in a concentration camp...  Thats good.  If Wisconsin is so bad why is Hwy 41 and 51 fillied with FIBS every summer, can't you vacation at one of your many landfills, man made lakes or sewage riddled rivers.   Isn't Gary ID. looking for that Ill vacation money.

LAX LB,

Have you been drinking that Hater-ade again?  You should be thanking us "FIBS" if anything.  If it weren't for us "FIBS" coming up there to vacation, who else would support your economy??? Also, you dont really have any room to talk about dirty rivers.  When was the last time you took a look at the Fox River around Green Bay.  Last time I checked, that wasn't the cleanest thing I've seen.  Plus, if you really want to boil down to things, the recent Chicago Beach closings along the lake front have been linked to sewage dumping occuring in Milwaukee.  You like apples? How do you like them apples.


Against your wish, I will continue to support Huey and Mark at the Hitching Post in Door County with my "FIB" money.  And yes, all this while on my vacation.


Lay off the Hater-ade Chief.

Your Friendly "FIB",

MWCfan77

The amount of money the fine people of Illinois generate for our economy still doesn't outway the mental anguish we must put up with when you use our highways........  Is drivers ed an elective in high school for you guys?  An additional toll should be assesed for that jack-a$$ that does 65 mph in the fast lane, i.e. for my illinois people that is the left lane. Don't act like Chicago isn't dumping in the water too, we can't help sh!@ flows down hill!!!!!! To put it bluntly Illinois is WV without the hills.   Has anyone ever seen deliverance, I think I hear dueling bango's??????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
Good evening, Scottie Fans...and Pat.   :D

Sorry for the long delay in between posts.  My new office has much fewer poster-friendly sight lines than the old digs.

I'm back from a whirlwind trip to Louisville where I was in attendance for the big game last night.  Now I'm letting the Scottie-mobile cool down before I head on to beautiful Bobby Woll Memorial Field tomorrow morning.  And then a big Turkey dinner.

For Mav:

Mav goes for the Schlitz
Only, and I mean ONLY
When Bijou runs dry!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2006, 12:47:21 AM
scottie - Another classic haiku from you buddy!  You should have all of your poetry works published at some point in time.  Gonna get those MIAC guys excited and back in here if you keep talking about Schlitz though. :D  I'll keep an eye open for you around Bobby Woll Memorial Field during the game...or around the Bijou later on in the day.  I plan on making it up there in the evening for a few beverages...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on November 04, 2006, 05:31:28 PM
Well, the Vikings didn't finish with a winning season as hoped.  Congrats to Ripon on the win 31-14.  Completely classless  move by Ripon to score with 25 seconds left.

Oh well, congrats to the LU program for continuing to improve.  Next year, they should be a contender for the conference title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: titan2000 on November 05, 2006, 11:18:22 AM
Quote from: wc2viking on November 04, 2006, 05:31:28 PM
Well, the Vikings didn't finish with a winning season as hoped.  Congrats to Ripon on the win 31-14.  Completely classless  move by Ripon to score with 25 seconds left.

Oh well, congrats to the LU program for continuing to improve.  Next year, they should be a contender for the conference title.

We'll get them back for their classless moves on the hardcourts.   Can't wait to watch Gillespie squirm and rant on the bench. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on November 05, 2006, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: wc2viking on November 04, 2006, 05:31:28 PM
Well, the Vikings didn't finish with a winning season as hoped.  Congrats to Ripon on the win 31-14.  Completely classless  move by Ripon to score with 25 seconds left.

Oh well, congrats to the LU program for continuing to improve.  Next year, they should be a contender for the conference title.

Ok!  Couple questions for you!  1.  Do you understand Football?  2.  Do you understand the Ripon/Lawrence rivalry?  3.  Were you at the game?

Reason I ask this is because it wasnt with 25 seconds left in the game.  It was with about 50 sec. left, Ripon on the 2 yard line going in for a TD and lawrence having 2 timeouts left down by 10.  If Ripon would have taken a knee they could of used the timeouts, got the ball back and had a chance to score, onside kick, and get the ball back to tie.  So with being on the 2 yard line Ripon does what any team would do, and run the ball, just happens that they were able to score. 

Lawrence was still able to return the kick AND run 2 plays.  So if I am not mistaken I think that Ripon played it just right and I feel that YOU are just being classless with that comment.  And another thing you need to get off the sauce, cause Lawrence will not be contending for the title next year.  They will be contending for a winning season.  Granted they are a lot better then they have been, but to say that they will be contending for the title is ridiculous.  However I am excited to see that the Ripon/Lawrence game will mean something in the near future, since it looks like Lawrence is able to win some games.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LAX LB on November 06, 2006, 03:45:17 PM
I like Ripion Good Cookies..... and still hate the FIBS, well only the loud one's.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on November 06, 2006, 04:44:20 PM
wc2viking,

Do you honestly think that if Lawrence had the ball on the 1-yd. line that they wouldn't have put it in if they were up?

Yes, according to the play-by-play, the time left was 25 seconds, get off your judging high horse and admit LU would have done the exact same thing.
I'm sure any school in that situation only up 10 points goes for the TD.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan77 on November 06, 2006, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: LAX LB on November 06, 2006, 03:45:17 PM
I like Ripion Good Cookies..... and still hate the FIBS, well only the loud one's.

LAX LB

Why such hostility?  Cant we all get along? What else do you have against IL?  We know you dont like us supporting your economy.

MWC Fan
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 06, 2006, 11:20:50 PM
I realize that there is still another week to play for the rest of the country, but does anyone have ideas on how the bracket will shape up for St. Norbert?

Has any MWC team ever been moved from the west bracket?

It appears St. John's has a game they could lose this weekend. How would that affect things?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on November 07, 2006, 12:35:58 AM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on November 05, 2006, 06:42:36 PM

Ok!  Couple questions for you!  1.  Do you understand Football?  2.  Do you understand the Ripon/Lawrence rivalry?  3.  Were you at the game?


I stand by my comment.
Answers:
1. Yep
2. If 'understanding' means that I can't call out classless moves, then I guess not.
3. Yep, I was at the game.  Actually, I was sitting a couple rows down from the Ripon coaches in the coach's box.  One of the coaches asked the head coach through the radio, "You going to take a knee here?" So I know at least one Ripon coach thought it would be a good idea to take a knee and end the game.  He actually looked embarassed after Ripon scored.

FWIW, LU was not using timeouts at this point and the TD was scored with 25 seconds left.  Check the box score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on November 07, 2006, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: wc2viking on November 07, 2006, 12:35:58 AM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on November 05, 2006, 06:42:36 PM

Ok!  Couple questions for you!  1.  Do you understand Football?  2.  Do you understand the Ripon/Lawrence rivalry?  3.  Were you at the game?


I stand by my comment.
Answers:
1. Yep
2. If 'understanding' means that I can't call out classless moves, then I guess not.
3. Yep, I was at the game.  Actually, I was sitting a couple rows down from the Ripon coaches in the coach's box.  One of the coaches asked the head coach through the radio, "You going to take a knee here?" So I know at least one Ripon coach thought it would be a good idea to take a knee and end the game.  He actually looked embarassed after Ripon scored.

FWIW, LU was not using timeouts at this point and the TD was scored with 25 seconds left.  Check the box score.


I am pretty sure that NO Ripon coach was embarassed that Ripon scored.  Also the fact that they scored with 25 sec. left, means that the ball was set with atleast 50 sec. left on the clock, they ran down the play clock and scored.  And that would be a good time to start using timeouts.  They haven't used timeouts yet, but would have.  And as my good friend Early stated, Lawrence would have run the ball in on the 1 yard line if the role was reversed.  Now I would understand if it was a PA (play action) pass, but it was a sweep to the outside.  SO lick your wounds, cry your tears, and stop talking about a situation that you have never been in as a coach.  Ask any coach with that same situation (explained correctly) and you will get the same answer, "You don't take a knee on the 1 yard line".
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Early on November 07, 2006, 04:23:08 PM
We should all probably assume that since wc2viking never commented on my thoughts that he agrees with me. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 07, 2006, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 06, 2006, 11:20:50 PM
I realize that there is still another week to play for the rest of the country, but does anyone have ideas on how the bracket will shape up for St. Norbert?

Has any MWC team ever been moved from the west bracket?

It appears St. John's has a game they could lose this weekend. How would that affect things?
I'm guessing Linfield's loss will drop them down to 10th in the regional rankings if they don't drop out altogether.  This would move Bethel to 7th, SNC to 8th and Wartburg to 9th.  If St Johns wins SNC will probably play them in the first round (if SNC is kept in the west).  If Bethel wins then I think SNC will play Central (if SNC is kept in the west).  If SNC is moved north they should be ranked pretty high and maybe get a first round home game.
In '99 SNC played at Augustana in the first round.  That year seems to be the only one that the MWC champ moved out of the region.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on November 07, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
Quote from: Early on November 06, 2006, 04:44:20 PM
wc2viking,

Do you honestly think that if Lawrence had the ball on the 1-yd. line that they wouldn't have put it in if they were up?

Yes, according to the play-by-play, the time left was 25 seconds, get off your judging high horse and admit LU would have done the exact same thing.
I'm sure any school in that situation only up 10 points goes for the TD.

Early: OK, I'll comment:  I have no idea what the LU coach would have done in the same situation.  As an LU fan, I would be embarrassed if LU scores a TD in the same situation.

Hawk Sighting: I've seen numerous times at all levels of football where a team takes a knee instead of running a play that would get them a TD at the end of a game.

OK, I've said all I'm going to about the play.  Onto next year!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 07, 2006, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: wc2viking on November 07, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
I've seen numerous times at all levels of football where a team takes a knee instead of running a play that would get them a TD at the end of a game.
This isn't my fight and I have no direct knowledge of this game, but the discussion caught my eye as I wait for Democratic victories to roll in. There are two falacies to wc2viking's argument, as I see it. One, while you may have seen teams take a knee at all levels, have you ever seen it done on the goal line? I think that situation calls for the defense to make a stop. The second falacy was that it was the end of the game. No coach worth his job would take a knee with time on the clock, timeouts against you and anything less than a 17 point lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RCFB#62 on November 08, 2006, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on November 07, 2006, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: wc2viking on November 07, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
I've seen numerous times at all levels of football where a team takes a knee instead of running a play that would get them a TD at the end of a game.
This isn't my fight and I have no direct knowledge of this game, but the discussion caught my eye as I wait for Democratic victories to roll in. There are two falacies to wc2viking's argument, as I see it. One, while you may have seen teams take a knee at all levels, have you ever seen it done on the goal line? I think that situation calls for the defense to make a stop. The second falacy was that it was the end of the game. No coach worth his job would take a knee with time on the clock, timeouts against you and anything less than a 17 point lead.

This is completely true, not to mention this is a huge rivalry game.  Even if Ripon was up by 27 pts punching it in from the 1 yard line is something both teams would do, not mention celebrate.  I don't understand why people would get salty about hanging an extra TD on a rival, that is what makes it a great game every year, even if they are not playing for the conference championship they still have a good motivation to make it a great game. 

Jimmy Dahm for MWC coach of the year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: red hawk 88 on November 08, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
So if it was so classless of Ripon to score what about LU coming out throwing the ball twice and calling a time out
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 08, 2006, 05:58:19 PM
Looks like the SNC faithful will have to root for UWO and/or St Johns this weekend to avoid the UWW buzzsaw in the first round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 08, 2006, 06:31:35 PM
The way I see it, there's still a buzzsaw no matter who they play
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 08, 2006, 06:48:44 PM
Maybe.  But after seeing SNC trounced the last couple of years by UWW, I'm hoping for a change in scenery. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on November 08, 2006, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: red hawk 88 on November 08, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
So if it was so classless of Ripon to score what about LU coming out throwing the ball twice and calling a time out

I hate to go against a fellow redhawk, but what LU did was not classless either, if there is time on the clock and you are down, you should be going for a TD.  Sorry 88, but I wanted to say this before viking jumped on you.  So I think it's safe to say that NOTHING that happened Sat. at the game was classless.  Next topic please. 

I would like to see Norberts go far, give the MWC some credit. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: red hawk 88 on November 08, 2006, 07:48:29 PM
Yeah sorry about that i was just trying to say neither team was classless by saying LU didn't give up so why should've Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcwatcher on November 09, 2006, 11:54:49 AM
What has to happen this weekend for SNC to play someone other than  St.Johns or UWW
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 09, 2006, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: mwcwatcher on November 09, 2006, 11:54:49 AM
What has to happen this weekend for SNC to play someone other than  St.Johns or UWW
A miracle.
Actually the most likely scenario is that eveyone ahead of SNC in the regional rankings will win this weekend (except Bethel) and SNC moves to 7th and plays St Johns.
Or, Bethel beats St Johns which shuffles the teams ahead of SNC and SNC remains in 8th and plays UWW.
Or, combined losses by UWL and Bethel move SNC up to 6th and SNC would play Central.
A Whitworth or Occidental loss could move them down and SNC up but SNC would still end up playing St Johns or Central.
Central could lose but seeing that lower ranked, 1 loss teams (UWL & Bethel) are ahead of SNC, that wouldn't help SNC.
 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on November 09, 2006, 10:43:49 PM
I'm rooting for the nub jobs, but in no way does any match up look good for them it may be LFC Monmouth ugly in round 1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2006, 11:22:01 PM
Give the Knights some respect, they are the one MWC team who has shown up in the playoffs. They have played with the Johnnies before and while a win is unlikely,  you never know.

You have to feel for Purtill. This guy has had several teams that could win a couple playoff games in other regions or with a better seed, but an MWC school has to win a game at St. Johns or against a UWW caliber team to gain respect in future seeding.

Its too bad that they the MWC has been labeled the sisters of the poor, because I think SNC could pull it off against a third-seeded central and are much better then some higher seeds in other regions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RCFB#62 on November 10, 2006, 01:02:10 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2006, 11:22:01 PM
Give the Knights some respect, they are the one MWC team who has shown up in the playoffs. They have played with the Johnnies before and while a win is unlikely,  you never know.

You have to feel for Purtill. This guy has had several teams that could win a couple playoff games in other regions or with a better seed, but an MWC school has to win a game at St. Johns or against a UWW caliber team to gain respect in future seeding.

Its too bad that they the MWC has been labeled the sisters of the poor, because I think SNC could pull it off against a third-seeded central and are much better then some higher seeds in other regions.

I agree but St. Nubs needs the rest of the conference to boost there schedule, and we all know that won't happen unless the MWC takes a giant step in the directions that St. Nubs is heading, good recruiting and solid offseason programs. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on November 10, 2006, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: RCFB#62 on November 10, 2006, 01:02:10 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2006, 11:22:01 PM
Give the Knights some respect, they are the one MWC team who has shown up in the playoffs. They have played with the Johnnies before and while a win is unlikely,  you never know.

You have to feel for Purtill. This guy has had several teams that could win a couple playoff games in other regions or with a better seed, but an MWC school has to win a game at St. Johns or against a UWW caliber team to gain respect in future seeding.

Its too bad that they the MWC has been labeled the sisters of the poor, because I think SNC could pull it off against a third-seeded central and are much better then some higher seeds in other regions.

I agree but St. Nubs needs the rest of the conference to boost there schedule, and we all know that won't happen unless the MWC takes a giant step in the directions that St. Nubs is heading, good recruiting and solid offseason programs. 

I agree, I would also like to see the MWC go towards off-campus recruiting.  Now working in a conference that allows that and have done it for basketball, it makes a big difference with athletes. I think it would benifit the colleges in the MWC greatly. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 10, 2006, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: Emmys First Class on November 09, 2006, 10:43:49 PM
I'm rooting for the nub jobs, but in no way does any match up look good for them it may be LFC Monmouth ugly in round 1.
The three SNC playoff games I've seen weren't Monmouth/Lake Forest type blowouts.  They beat Simpson.  They played St Johns tough for a half.  At LaCrosse they led into the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on November 10, 2006, 09:46:58 PM
Yes I know what took place in the past. My point is how difficult this region is! Tops in all the land by far. They are in any other  region I think they win 2 games, but here I just think it's too tough, hope I'm wrong. Would love a good showing for the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 10, 2006, 10:01:58 PM
RCFB#62,

In regards to boosting the schedule, I thought the top five teams had pretty strong NC games this season, especially compared to the past. Wartburg is likely going to the playoffs, Carthage and Millikin are both traditionally strong CCIW programs, Olivet Nazarene had been good prior to this year and Oshkosh is a top team in the countries best conference. I dont see any problem with them sticking with these caliber teams.

With that in mind, I'm curoius how much NC games would matter or factor for non-playoff teams. For example, had Monmouth beaten Wartburg and St. Norbert beaten Monmouth, would the NCAA take that into account or is it more about who the playoff qualifer beat in NC. Does Pat or anyone else have incite on this?

Also wanted to add that I hope SNC goes back to playing a DIII opponent for NC...does the NCAA care if you beat the #1 NAIA or the #300 NAIA team when seeding?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 10, 2006, 10:37:34 PM
Oshkosh is a traditional bottom dweller in the WIAC.  They were suppose to be a middle of the road team this year, but it never materialized.  I like UW-O, as my parents both went there, but they have been a major disappointment to their fans and supporters.  How 'bout scheduling the real traditionally strong members of the WIAC, Whitewater and/or La Crosse???  They and the other institutions have to go to Texas, CA and D1-AA schools etc. etc. , because nobody in the area are willing to step up to a challenge.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 10, 2006, 11:13:28 PM
My mistake on UW-Oshkosh and you answered your own question there. Ripon lost by 50 to a bottom dweller in the conference. Why face a 60-80 point loss to UWW or LAX.

I was disapointed to see Ripon pick up the game in the first place. I have heard some schools in Wisconsin wont play WIAC schools and I think all the privates should adopt that rule. When  WIAC schools find themselevs in California or Texas every week they may realize that they don't belong in DIII.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 10, 2006, 11:33:10 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 10, 2006, 11:13:28 PM
Why face a 60-80 point loss to UWW or LAX.

When  WIAC schools find themselevs in California or Texas every week they may realize that they don't belong in DIII.

That's a good thought, too.  For example, it's possible to lose 75 to whatever to UWW, like Lakeland College the last couple years, and still win out in their own league (2005) to get a berth in the playoffs.  I guess their coach considered it a good learning experience for his team. Not every program feels that way I guess.  Whatever floats your boat, I say. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2006, 02:29:00 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 10, 2006, 11:13:28 PM
My mistake on UW-Oshkosh and you answered your own question there. Ripon lost by 50 to a bottom dweller in the conference. Why face a 60-80 point loss to UWW or LAX.

I was disapointed to see Ripon pick up the game in the first place. I have heard some schools in Wisconsin wont play WIAC schools and I think all the privates should adopt that rule. When  WIAC schools find themselevs in California or Texas every week they may realize that they don't belong in DIII.

Unless they offer scholarships, they belong in Division III just fine.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 11, 2006, 07:50:50 AM
Quote from: Emmys First Class on November 10, 2006, 09:46:58 PM
Yes I know what took place in the past. My point is how difficult this region is! Tops in all the land by far. They are in any other  region I think they win 2 games, but here I just think it's too tough, hope I'm wrong. Would love a good showing for the MWC.
My point is no matter what the past shows or the polls indicate they still have to play the game.  Who knows, maybe they'll be sent north. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on November 11, 2006, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 10, 2006, 10:37:34 PM
Oshkosh is a traditional bottom dweller in the WIAC.  They were suppose to be a middle of the road team this year, but it never materialized.  I like UW-O, as my parents both went there, but they have been a major disappointment to their fans and supporters.  How 'bout scheduling the real traditionally strong members of the WIAC, Whitewater and/or La Crosse???  They and the other institutions have to go to Texas, CA and D1-AA schools etc. etc. , because nobody in the area are willing to step up to a challenge.
What never "materialized".I would saying being 3rd in the WIAC is above middle of the pack.It took coach Phil Meyer a few years to get the kids into his system and to start getting top recruits to come to his program.Its easier to build a Basketball program in a few years than it is to build a Football program in a few.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: dallas on November 11, 2006, 05:01:59 PM
SJU lost...looks like SNU will probably be traveling to Perkins Stadium to play UWW in the first round. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 11, 2006, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on November 11, 2006, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 10, 2006, 10:37:34 PM
Oshkosh is a traditional bottom dweller in the WIAC.  They were suppose to be a middle of the road team this year, but it never materialized.  I like UW-O, as my parents both went there, but they have been a major disappointment to their fans and supporters.  How 'bout scheduling the real traditionally strong members of the WIAC, Whitewater and/or La Crosse???  They and the other institutions have to go to Texas, CA and D1-AA schools etc. etc. , because nobody in the area are willing to step up to a challenge.
What never "materialized".I would saying being 3rd in the WIAC is above middle of the pack.It took coach Phil Meyer a few years to get the kids into his system and to start getting top recruits to come to his program.Its easier to build a Basketball program in a few years than it is to build a Football program in a few.

JUSTINTYEM -
If you had seen the pre-season talk, Oshkosh expected to contend for the WIAC title. Everybody else thought of them as 3rd-5th place team. That ended with the first conference game loss at home to UWW and things went down in a hurry. So, their hopes for a title never "materialized." Going into today, they were in 4th place out of 8 teams - do you agree that's middle of the road?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 11, 2006, 05:22:14 PM
Quote from: dallas on November 11, 2006, 05:01:59 PM
SJU lost...looks like SNU will probably be traveling to Perkins Stadium to play UWW in the first round. 
St Johns losing at home, unbelievable.  SNC didn't catch any breaks today.
Maybe they'll get a break tommorow.  I hope so.  I hate that freaking cannon.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BVHawk on November 11, 2006, 09:59:33 PM
Congrats to St. Norbert for making the post season.  Best of luck!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on November 12, 2006, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 11, 2006, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on November 11, 2006, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 10, 2006, 10:37:34 PM
Oshkosh is a traditional bottom dweller in the WIAC.  They were suppose to be a middle of the road team this year, but it never materialized.  I like UW-O, as my parents both went there, but they have been a major disappointment to their fans and supporters.  How 'bout scheduling the real traditionally strong members of the WIAC, Whitewater and/or La Crosse???  They and the other institutions have to go to Texas, CA and D1-AA schools etc. etc. , because nobody in the area are willing to step up to a challenge.
What never "materialized".I would saying being 3rd in the WIAC is above middle of the pack.It took coach Phil Meyer a few years to get the kids into his system and to start getting top recruits to come to his program.Its easier to build a Basketball program in a few years than it is to build a Football program in a few.

JUSTINTYEM -
If you had seen the pre-season talk, Oshkosh expected to contend for the WIAC title. Everybody else thought of them as 3rd-5th place team. That ended with the first conference game loss at home to UWW and things went down in a hurry. So, their hopes for a title never "materialized." Going into today, they were in 4th place out of 8 teams - do you agree that's middle of the road?
If you asked people that truely know something 3-5 was accurate.LOL,Im not sure If Oshkosh will ever make the Top 2 spots.LAX and WW seem to get the states top D3 guys year in and out.But UW-O is better than they have been in over a decade and a half i think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on November 12, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Norbert gets UW-W in the first round.  It's another tough bracket in the west this year.  I think Norbert will play tough, but I don't think they can get past Whitewater at Perkins Stadium.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on November 12, 2006, 05:32:19 PM
Hopefully we can make a better playoff showing next year! Tough draw nubs and least the Beave won't be there to paddle ya. I say the spread is about 42 an I take UWW
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 12, 2006, 05:54:59 PM
The only question is, will WW let up going into the second half up by 35 or will they try to prove a point?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 12, 2006, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: ScoutTeamHero on November 12, 2006, 05:54:59 PM
The only question is, will WW let up going into the second half up by 35 or will they try to prove a point?

ScoutTeamHero -

I think the only place UWW tries to prove a point, as you say, during the play-off run is in the Stagg Bowl.  UWW really wants another shot at MUC and I think they won't get total victory unless it's UWW vs MUC in the Stagg Bowl (with WW winning this year.)

The way UWW is going to do that is to do what they have done all year - take one game at a time, try to stay healthy and advance as far as they can.  They know they will be at the Perk throughout the playoffs.  But, this is the playoffs and anything can happen.  With Beaver and Rueland sidelined, they have been getting tremendous efforts out of their second/third TB and FB for the past 3 weeks.   

The nature of your question makes me believe you think UWW pours it on SNU.  Anything less would be unimpressive.  If so, why do you say this?

If WW is ahead by 35 in the second half, I'm sure Coach Brez will remove the starters and substitute freely, as he always does.  However, that will not mean they are letting up as the WW reserves have a lot of skill and talent, too, and will continue to take what is given them.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2006, 06:50:39 PM
You only have 52 players to work with in the playoffs. You can't exactly empty the bench.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 12, 2006, 07:01:16 PM
Right you are, Pat.  But my point remains, WW will continue to play the game and take what they get.  They are not going to lay down like lambs in the second half should they be well in the lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on November 13, 2006, 04:14:47 PM
BoBo go away! Was Beaver a second stringer the week he got hurt? Or is 28 not a big enough lead to bring in the second string in the 2nd half?  I know WW 2's and 3's are better than the MWC 1's but the point they would be proving to the MWC is your sending a the Freshman team into a varsity ball game.  Get the analogy BoBo or do you need further explanation?           
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 13, 2006, 06:51:39 PM
Emmys First Class -

You seem to be troubled by the facts???  I'm sorry you are bothered by such trival matters. I apologize to the users of the Midwest Conference for continuing the discussion involving the WIAC, this is probably the wrong place to do do.

One more fact, you were not at the game in question, so I don't expect you to know all the facts and dynamics regarding it.  Let's cut to the chase, obviously, 28 was not a big enough lead to bring in the #2 RB, they were playing LaX, period, end of discussion, ok??? 

You would serve yourself better by taking off the defensive blinders.  Pls don't bore me with your lame anologies and/or further explanations.  If you have intelligent, insightful comments, I encourage you to respond and will give you the respect it deserves.

(BTW, I can't go away...you can only hope to contain me)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 14, 2006, 10:28:22 AM
Wasn't it two years ago that St Norbert nearly took down the WIAC champion, LaCrosse, in a hard fought first round matchup.  If my memory serves me that game was up still up in the air in the closing minutes.  The point is that you can't take anything for granted.  St Norbert has had two weeks to prepare and while they didn't know exactly who they would be playing that extra week can heal up a bunch of bumps and bruises and give the staff time to tweek a few things.  I expect them to be highly motivated and well prepared. 

I know their fans will be there to support them.  They've brought a large following to both of our recent meetings, among the largest we see.

Can someone clue me in on what St Norbert does on the field?  Do they run, pass?  What do they like to do defensively?  Who are their playmakers on both sides of the ball?   Info like that.

Thanks and good luck.

Is the St Norbert poster who owes me two cases of beer still around?  You know who you are.  How about double or nothing?   I knew I should have written down his name. :) 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LAX LB on November 14, 2006, 11:08:38 AM
I've seen ST. Norbert play a Lawarence this year and from what I saw.  STN likes to throw to the TE, who has some speed and soft hands.  The QB likes to loft the ball and UWW should pick him off often.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2006, 12:22:04 PM
badgerwahawk - Yes it was a couple years ago in the 2004 season that St. Norbert gave UW-LaCrosse all they could handle in the first round.  SNC actually led that game 23-10 midway through the 4th quarter before LAX rallied to win 37-23 as the Knights just couldn't quite finish the job.  And it was just 31-23 before the final play of the game where an SNC pass was intercepted and returned 90+ yards for the final TD.  Hopefully the Knights can get another good showing like that in this year's playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on November 14, 2006, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 14, 2006, 12:22:04 PM
badgerwahawk - Yes it was a couple years ago in the 2004 season that St. Norbert gave UW-LaCrosse all they could handle in the first round.  SNC actually led that game 23-10 midway through the 4th quarter before LAX rallied to win 37-23 as the Knights just couldn't quite finish the job.  And it was just 31-23 before the final play of the game where an SNC pass was intercepted and returned 90+ yards for the final TD.  Hopefully the Knights can get another good showing like that in this year's playoffs.



WOW, LAX coming from behind and scoring 27 points in the last quarter of a game.........who'd a thought!  ;)  UWW had the lead in the 2005 game at the beginning of the 4th quarter, 23-9.  After LAX came back on them, UWW won 29-23 scoring the go-ahead TD with 46 seconds left in the game. No team is more dangerous than LAX when they are down in the 4th.  Maybe everyone can stop questioning the coaches decision to leave Beaver in at the start of the 4th quarter of the 06 UWW/UWLC game with the score 31-10 now.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BVHawk on November 14, 2006, 02:35:14 PM
Quote from: kiltman85 on November 12, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
It's another tough bracket in the west this year.  I think Norbert will play tough, but I don't think they can get past Whitewater at Perkins Stadium.

I agree.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 14, 2006, 05:15:38 PM
BW

The beer's been in my trunk for two years.  You never showed up to claim it.  It's yours if you still want it.  I'm not sure of the shelf life of Blatz, however.
Double or nothing is a sucker's bet but I'll decline in spite of myself. :)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2006, 09:55:31 AM
Two times you don't even ask for points and now you think it's a sucker's bet.  ??? ;) ;D



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcwatcher on November 15, 2006, 02:53:10 PM
The all conference teams have been announced.Any thoughts?Looks like some guys made team based on past history not on how they played this year.It's to bad some guys had good years and got passed over.I know Ripon had a good year but 5 db's making all conference look's a little ??  to me.I don't know who picks this team or what criteria they use so if anyone has that info please let me know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2006, 04:55:29 PM
BW
If I had asked for the points needed to win (33 in the first bet or 15 in the second), you probably wouldn't have given them to me so me asking for none is moot.  Besides, the only thing I cared about was watching the Knights win (sadly disappointed). I didn't really care about winning the bets.
Ticker lost a bet to you also.  Did you ever get him to pay up?     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BVHawk on November 15, 2006, 06:24:40 PM
What would be a fair point spread?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2006, 10:49:02 PM
I've seen guesses around here where UWW is favored  from -10 all the way up to -102.  I'm thinking UWW -35.  Of course I'm hoping for a David vs Goliath type game. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 16, 2006, 01:37:05 AM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2006, 10:49:02 PM
I've seen guesses around here where UWW is favored  from -10 all the way up to -102.  I'm thinking UWW -35.  Of course I'm hoping for a David vs Goliath type game. ;D

I read in Around The Region that SNC doesn't have enough stones (i.e. offensive weapons) to hang with the Warharwks.  Who are the top players for SNC? Would anyone with knowledge like to step up and inform us?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 16, 2006, 07:25:06 AM
At WR:  #85 Judd O'Connell - Great hands, made some textbook sideline catches this year
At TE:  #86 John Laughlin - Great hands, big target,  reliable third down receiver

more later
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2006, 08:14:48 AM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2006, 04:55:29 PM
BW
If I had asked for the points needed to win (33 in the first bet or 15 in the second), you probably wouldn't have given them to me so me asking for none is moot.  Besides, the only thing I cared about was watching the Knights win (sadly disappointed). I didn't really care about winning the bets.
Ticker lost a bet to you also.  Did you ever get him to pay up?    


Ticker, that's the name I was trying to remember.  No, actually he never has paid up.  Is he still around here?

I'll tell you what.  I'll give you 24 points and we can go double or nothing.  How's that?  Same deal for Ticker if he wants to take it.

I thought you rich, private guys drank imports. ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcwatcher on November 16, 2006, 10:58:36 AM
I only saw them play once this year .They rotated their running backs and #22 got most of the work .I thought #47 was bigger and more effective and he scored a couple times.The tight end is big and has good hands.They have a very good kicker/punter in #3 and I think he is going to get a lot of work.They seemed very undisciplind and avg.about 10 penalitys a game.If they can cut down on the mistakes I hope they can give the MWC a good showing.Good luck SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: RCFB#62 on November 16, 2006, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: mwcwatcher on November 16, 2006, 10:58:36 AM
I only saw them play once this year .They rotated their running backs and #22 got most of the work .I thought #47 was bigger and more effective and he scored a couple times.The tight end is big and has good hands.They have a very good kicker/punter in #3 and I think he is going to get a lot of work.They seemed very undisciplind and avg.about 10 penalitys a game.If they can cut down on the mistakes I hope they can give the MWC a good showing.Good luck SNC

I don't think the specialist play a big role in this game, it will be a dominating performance in the trenches by UWW and that will lead to ST NUBS having to come back from behind throwing the ball, and in turn leading to several TO's b/c they really have not been tested coming from behind..........  UWW by 3-5 TD's over in the third quarter. 

JIMMY DAHM FOR CONGRESS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 16, 2006, 05:15:37 PM
BW
Sorry it took so long for me to reply but the satellite went out on my yacht and I had to chopper in a repair man from the Caymans.  Don't you hate when that happens?
Ticker's been awol all year along with most of the XSNCs.  They must have got jobs or lives.  I, however, have no life and am still here as a result. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 16, 2006, 05:45:15 PM
At RB:  #47 Alec Getschow is a good, dependable back who alternated with #22 AJ Phillips until AJ was injured.  Unrelated to to football, I heard Alec doesn't work well in group projects. ;)  #44 Josh O'Conner is also a pretty good, versatile back.  He's the blocking back in passing situations and the usual target on screens.  He's like a fire hydrant with legs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 16, 2006, 06:33:13 PM
The following comes from Warhawkfootball.com (Story by Daily Union Sports Editor Jeff Seisser appeared in today's paper)


Beaver's Back?

Whitewater's running game may receive a shot in the arm in the possible return of All-American Justin Beaver. The NCAA's defending rushing champion, sidelined with a broken collar bone since Oct. 16, returned to practice this week. Whether or not he plays is going to be a game-day decision by the doctors, said Berezowitz aboout Beaver's potential return. He went through a full practice (Tuesday). There's always going to be that unknown until he takes a hit.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on November 17, 2006, 10:37:12 AM
I wish you SNC fans and team good luck against UWW. I wish you guys could join the WIAC for Football only! This way you would be challenged almost every week. you are a good team. You will havt to play the game of your life. however, you do have a chance. God Bless and thank you for the Info.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 17, 2006, 12:56:25 PM
All WIAC and UWW fans please read the following disclaimer.

     My following post (200) is intended for the sole use of the couch potato and the rest of the St Norbert, division III, football team.  Any other uses, misuses, misinterpretations, hurt feelings, angry resentments and taken offences are not authorized.  Thank you. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 17, 2006, 12:57:21 PM
Green Knights,

    November 18, 2006 is a day that will live in infamy for the WIAC and whatever the Japanese were feeling on December 8th for the MWC.  General Purtill will march you, his Green Knight soldiers to meet King Brez and his redshirt hessians.  The river you cross is not the Potomac.  It is the Wisconsin, none the less important.  The fight is not for freedom, democracy nor even unreasonable taxation.  Your cause is much more significant, the Stagg.  Washington threw a silver dollar.  Purtill, in comparison, will heave a manhole cover.  Outgunned, overmatched and outvoted, follow the path of David, Sitting Bull, Rudy and Luke Skywalker.  Ask yourselves, how high would Benedict Massey have ranked them?  Wisconsin is your Texas.  You will not lose America's Dairyland to Antonio Lopez De Santa Anna De Berezowitz.  Young Knights of Purtill's table I implore you to forget the losers at the Alamo.  Your battle cry, to be resounded through the ages by the likes of Cortland et al:

REMEMBER THE KNIGHTS!

                                  REMEMBER THE KNIGHTS!

POLLSTERS BE DAMNED!

                                  REMEMBER THE KNIGHTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 17, 2006, 01:55:52 PM
Good stuff there PapaSmurf!  :)

And good luck to the Green Knights tomorrow afternoon at Whitewater!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Sakman 1111 on November 17, 2006, 02:14:43 PM
Excellent post Papa Smurf......You still lose big.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Goal Line Stand on November 17, 2006, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on November 17, 2006, 10:37:12 AM
I wish you SNC fans and team good luck against UWW. I wish you guys could join the WIAC for Football only! This way you would be challenged almost every week. you are a good team. You will havt to play the game of your life. however, you do have a chance. God Bless and thank you for the Info.


Wow, you must still be holding a grudge about the beating UWP took at the hands of the Hawks if you are rooting against a WIAC team in the play-offs. ??? ??? ???  Newsflash...............Post season success by any WIAC team reflects positively on the entire conference!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on November 18, 2006, 09:42:12 AM
I do not dislike UWW. I just said that SNC has a chance. The arrogance of the UWW Bandwagon Chat Room on the WIAC site is sometimes tiresome. Blessings!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 18, 2006, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on November 17, 2006, 12:57:21 PM
Green Knights,

    November 18, 2006 is a day that will live in infamy for the WIAC and whatever the Japanese were feeling on December 8th for the MWC.  General Purtill will march you, his Green Knight soldiers to meet King Brez and his redshirt hessians.  The river you cross is not the Potomac.  It is the Wisconsin, none the less important.  The fight is not for freedom, democracy nor even unreasonable taxation.  Your cause is much more significant, the Stagg.  Washington threw a silver dollar.  Purtill, in comparison, will heave a manhole cover.  Outgunned, overmatched and outvoted, follow the path of David, Sitting Bull, Rudy and Luke Skywalker.  Ask yourselves, how high would Benedict Massey have ranked them?  Wisconsin is your Texas.  You will not lose America's Dairyland to Antonio Lopez De Santa Anna De Berezowitz.  Young Knights of Purtill's table I implore you to forget the losers at the Alamo.  Your battle cry, to be resounded through the ages by the likes of Cortland et al:

REMEMBER THE KNIGHTS!

                                  REMEMBER THE KNIGHTS!

POLLSTERS BE DAMNED!

                                  REMEMBER THE KNIGHTS!



ROTFLMAO, that is some funny stuff.  Kudos Pappa
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on November 18, 2006, 06:08:42 PM
The Superfan says that is good stuff! Blessings!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on November 21, 2006, 03:02:21 PM
I would like to take a moment to talk about the atroucious selection of all mwc.  The fact that there players on the second team that are better, and the stats show this than the first team members.  it is a crime that we would penalize certain players because they failed to break as many records as the record breaker in their first season and therefore relegate them to the second team. This is the greatest tragety with in the midwest conference.  This and the fact that we cannot put a team together for the playoffs. 


rb#1f out.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 21, 2006, 08:58:04 PM
I would have to to agree rb#1f...

After putting some numbers together, I came up with 115 all-conference selections across the 3 teams.  32-1st, 33-2nd, and 50-HM.  Joke

St. Nubs has 22, 10 were 1st
Ripon has 15, 10 were HM
Monmouth has 13, 6 were 1st, and 1 pre-season AA only HM
IC has 11
LFC has 12, 6 were HM
Larry has 8
CC has 12
GC has 8, Pfalzer took 2
Stank Bowl has 10, 7 HM
Belwa has 4, 0 1st, a 2nd and 3 HM, but did have a pre-season AA


This selection process is a total joke, it seems that every player that a coach puts up gets something.  It's as if they don't want to get a law suit because a players feelings were hurt that they didn't get something sending little Trebion into depression. 

I think they should just give out a participation all conference award to every player who dresses for one game but they pretty much do that now so nevermind. 

Comparison:

First Team Numbers for D-Lineman
Solo Ast Tot  TFL/Yds  Sacks
13    9    22   5.5-16   2.5-9    .

HM Numbers for D-Lineman
Solo Ast Tot  TFL/Yds   Sacks         
25   25   50   15.5-43   3.0      .           

Numbers taken from conf. website, except 22 total tackles didn't make the list so I had to go to that players team website.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on November 22, 2006, 10:00:03 AM
Just another example.....

                                 G  Rec  Yds TD Avg/C Yds/G
1st team                    9   44  461  5  10.5  51.2


2nd team                   9   34  690 10  20.3  76.7

i dunno you tell me,  the 1st teamer must have been a hell of a blocker, and told great stories..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on November 22, 2006, 11:18:59 AM
First off our Playoff season was a success we put up 17 vs. UWW yes 17! good season Nub jobs and again great representation of arguably the top 3 worst conf. in the country! Keep up Purtill I read this last week

"I do not dislike UWW. I just said that SNC has a chance. The arrogance of the UWW Bandwagon Chat Room on the WIAC site is sometimes tiresome. Blessings!"
From UWPSUPERFAN77     hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha a chance to what? You fool! is this Logan? Or Tross? hey go UWP an UWW is arrogant because the WIAC is now just their stomping ground it is supposed to be the best conf in the land then give them a game someone. I hope LAX does but we'll see an Bobo I'll be back for you and don't get me started on the ALL-MWC I have wrote a dissertation on that and will deposited it after my editor looks it over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 71RedHawk71 on November 22, 2006, 12:09:42 PM
Hello folks.
I'm a new member to the discussion board but played ball at Ripon during the late '90s.  First off, in regards to any of the WIAC teams, I personnally feel that there should not be any public schools in DIII.  That's my honest opinion.  They are able to pull from a large group of students based on the difference in cost b/w public and private schools.  Congrats to any school that is able to proceed thru the playoffs.  I hope that I haven't upset anyone!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2006, 12:28:10 PM
Gonna have to change the rules of the Division, then, and the member schools have not seen fit to do so even though private schools are about 75% of the members.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 71RedHawk71 on November 22, 2006, 12:35:42 PM
I completely agree with you.  I don't see why they haven't see fit to do so.  Division II football is floundering with all the teams moving from D-II to D-IA.  Why not move the WIAC teams into D-II to try and keep that division afloat.  What's going to happen when enough of  the D-II teams move to D-IA are they going to move D-III teams to D-II?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference Alums from 1995-1998
Post by: 71RedHawk71 on November 22, 2006, 12:43:57 PM
Just wanted to see if there are any folks I played with or against online here?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2006, 01:05:37 PM
Quote from: 71RedHawk71 on November 22, 2006, 12:35:42 PM
I completely agree with you.  I don't see why they haven't see fit to do so.  Division II football is floundering with all the teams moving from D-II to D-IA.  Why not move the WIAC teams into D-II to try and keep that division afloat.  What's going to happen when enough of  the D-II teams move to D-IA are they going to move D-III teams to D-II?

I would suspect it's because you can't force someone out of Division III. Schools get to choose where they want to be. This isn't high school where you are classified by enrollment. It's classified by number of athletic scholarships awarded.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on November 22, 2006, 01:38:20 PM
red hawk 71 or whatever your name is......

Dont cry because your team had no chance with the uw schools.  You make us all sound like a bunch of babies when you suggest that they should be moved up.  Private schools from other conferences seem to be able to handle the uw schools.  They are not crying every year that they are better.   The bottom line is that the mwc schools are full of kids who either are scared of the big uw schools or do not care enough.  The talent level is not much different between their best and the best of the midwest.  The bottom line is that they have more quality and they win.  Why penalize them. 

But forgive me, this is coming from a ripon grad, someone who has played for years with the greatest home field advantage in the league.  They are used to people handing them things.  Like 9 yard first downs and drive extending flags.  Anyone notice how the line judges are all wearing ripon hats..

Im not saying im just saying.......

RB#1F out....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 71RedHawk71 on November 22, 2006, 04:45:31 PM
First off I'm not hear complaining about any of the UW schools.  I played on the '96 Ripon team that went 9-1 but was given a bid to the playoffs.  So we'll never know if that team would have beat a UW team.  I will say that it's not been fun to see any of the MWC teams not win a single playoff game since the NCAA started that auto bids for each conference winner.  I hope that I didn't offend anyone!

As far as having homefield advantage at Ripon, I can only say that we didn't need linesmen to cheat for us.  Coach Ernst has fielded some very good teams since 1995.  I'm proud to have played for him.  I hope you don't have an issue w/ that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 22, 2006, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: Emmys First Class on November 22, 2006, 11:18:59 AM
I hope LAX does but we'll see an Bobo I'll be back for you

Say what???  ??? 
And to think I FORGOT about you.   :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2006, 09:58:41 PM
St. Norbert has won a playoff game in the automatic bid era.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on November 23, 2006, 02:44:58 AM
WIAC have some disadvantages in playing FB vs private schools. Most of the teams in our conference have high academic standards. it is hard to get admitted if you are only an average student. Also, we are limited to 100 players on the rosters, unlike many private schools. Private schools do not want to play us, several teams in recent years have only played 9 games. Lastly, if your teams want to be ready for the playoffs, play good programs to get ready for the Playoff. Thanks for hearing me on your site. God Bless and have a happy Thanksgiving to all !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on November 24, 2006, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on November 23, 2006, 02:44:58 AM
WIAC have some disadvantages in playing FB vs private schools. Most of the teams in our conference have high academic standards. it is hard to get admitted if you are only an average student. Also, we are limited to 100 players on the rosters, unlike many private schools. Private schools do not want to play us, several teams in recent years have only played 9 games. Lastly, if your teams want to be ready for the playoffs, play good programs to get ready for the Playoff. Thanks for hearing me on your site. God Bless and have a happy Thanksgiving to all !
Im not sure how to take this post. Is this a person for the WIAC. Thus the comments about wanting to play top competition to get ready for the play-offs. Or a pro-private school(MWC) because of the "HIGH" academic standards. Cause the WIAC isnt a High academic conference. If you are in the top 50%(atleast) you can get into a WIAC school. The WIAC is "FAR" from a High academic conference. That is as DUMB as LU's Punter Ken Alvord (#2 in the nation in punting at 42.2 per) not even being 1st team all conference. Can someone please explain to me how this happens. He averages 4.2 more yards per kick,and kicks 13 more times than 2nd place.Thats Crap!!!!! Ken Alvord got screwed by the MWC coaches.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: theoptimist on November 24, 2006, 03:34:51 PM
Only needing to be in the top 50% to get into the WIAC schools?  Tell that to the thousands of high schoolers who can't get into UW-LaCrosse.

And any conference that claims Ripon as one of its members should not be disparaging another conference's academics.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on November 27, 2006, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: theoptimist on November 24, 2006, 03:34:51 PM
Only needing to be in the top 50% to get into the WIAC schools?  Tell that to the thousands of high schoolers who can't get into UW-LaCrosse.

And any conference that claims Ripon as one of its members should not be disparaging another conference's academics.

Are you kidding me? Ripon is one of only five Wisconsin colleges and universities (along with UW-Madison, Marquette University, Lawrence University, and Beloit College) to be included each year in the Princeton Review's 361 Best Colleges and Universities in the country rankings. Ripon is also one of only three private colleges in Wisconsin (along with Lawrence and Beloit) to make the US News and World Report America's Best Colleges list for national liberal arts colleges. Ripon has the highest percentage of medical school admissions of all Wisconsin colleges and universities, as well as the best placement percentage of teaching certifiers of any college or university in Wisconsin. To ridicule Ripon's academic quality is simply a symptom of ignorance...something we've grown accustomed to from state school grads". 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on November 27, 2006, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on November 27, 2006, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: theoptimist on November 24, 2006, 03:34:51 PM
Only needing to be in the top 50% to get into the WIAC schools?  Tell that to the thousands of high schoolers who can't get into UW-LaCrosse.

And any conference that claims Ripon as one of its members should not be disparaging another conference's academics.

Are you kidding me? Ripon is one of only five Wisconsin colleges and universities (along with UW-Madison, Marquette University, Lawrence University, and Beloit College) to be included each year in the Princeton Review's 361 Best Colleges and Universities in the country rankings. Ripon is also one of only three private colleges in Wisconsin (along with Lawrence and Beloit) to make the US News and World Report America's Best Colleges list for national liberal arts colleges. Ripon has the highest percentage of medical school admissions of all Wisconsin colleges and universities, as well as the best placement percentage of teaching certifiers of any college or university in Wisconsin. To ridicule Ripon's academic quality is simply a symptom of ignorance...something we've grown accustomed to from state school grads". 

DING,DING,DING Someone just Hit a Perfect Bullseye. Thats why the MWC is better than the WIAC its all about intelligence. MWC grads make Far more money than WIAC grads on average. Great Post Hawk!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on November 27, 2006, 05:16:19 PM
Quote from: JUSTINTYEM on November 24, 2006, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on November 23, 2006, 02:44:58 AM
WIAC have some disadvantages in playing FB vs private schools. Most of the teams in our conference have high academic standards. it is hard to get admitted if you are only an average student. Also, we are limited to 100 players on the rosters, unlike many private schools. Private schools do not want to play us, several teams in recent years have only played 9 games. Lastly, if your teams want to be ready for the playoffs, play good programs to get ready for the Playoff. Thanks for hearing me on your site. God Bless and have a happy Thanksgiving to all !
Im not sure how to take this post. Is this a person for the WIAC. Thus the comments about wanting to play top competition to get ready for the play-offs. Or a pro-private school(MWC) because of the "HIGH" academic standards. Cause the WIAC isnt a High academic conference. If you are in the top 50%(atleast) you can get into a WIAC school. The WIAC is "FAR" from a High academic conference. That is as DUMB as LU's Punter Ken Alvord (#2 in the nation in punting at 42.2 per) not even being 1st team all conference. Can someone please explain to me how this happens. He averages 4.2 more yards per kick,and kicks 13 more times than 2nd place.Thats Crap!!!!! Ken Alvord got screwed by the MWC coaches.  
Oh one more point to my Ken Alvord got screwed statement. Forstrom wasnt even in the top 50 in the nation for punting,that is an even bigger screw job than I thought. Check the stats here if you dont believe me  http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2006, 06:24:12 PM
Net punting, from the Midwest Conference stats. Interesting to see which team leads. Guess the coaches voted on more than just raw punting yards, perhaps hang time was a factor?

PUNTING               G  No. Yards   Avg  Ret  Yds  Avg Net/P
-------------------------------------------------------------
St. Norbert......... 11   39  1422  36.5   11   45  1.2  35.3
Monmouth............ 10   44  1650  37.5    9  206  4.7  32.8
Illinois College.... 10   46  1529  33.2   17  105  2.3  31.0
Ripon............... 10   31  1048  33.8   11  102  3.3  30.5
Lake Forest......... 10   52  1670  32.1   19   86  1.7  30.5
Lawrence............ 10   52  1939  37.3   27  367  7.1  30.2
Beloit.............. 10   67  2152  32.1   27  240  3.6  28.5
Carroll............. 10   50  1519  30.4   16  118  2.4  28.0
Knox................ 10   40  1352  33.8   17  240  6.0  27.8
Grinnell............ 10   46  1713  37.2   27  461 10.0  27.2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on November 27, 2006, 07:06:18 PM
Thats still not an excuse IMO. Because there were a couple times when Alvord had punts blocked(not his fault) and they would go maybe 10 yards.  And a few times when he wasnt the one who punted for the Vikings. Bob was the best Kicker,but not the best punter. All-Conference are Individual awards,not team awards. And they should be voted as such.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2006, 03:10:46 AM
The coaches see a lot more games than you do, both live and on tape, and they disagreed. Perhaps they saw that Forstrom had a shorter field to work with because SNC's offense was better, yet he still managed to put nearly a third of his punts inside the 20. Alvord only put one in six inside the 20 so obviously he had more field to work with and could kick longer.

Simply kicking long is not the be-all and end-all of punter quality. Apparently the MWC coaches know that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 28, 2006, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2006, 03:10:46 AM
The coaches see a lot more games than you do, both live and on tape, and they disagreed. Perhaps they saw that Forstrom had a shorter field to work with because SNC's offense was better, yet he still managed to put nearly a third of his punts inside the 20. Alvord only put one in six inside the 20 so obviously he had more field to work with and could kick longer.

Simply kicking long is not the be-all and end-all of punter quality. Apparently the MWC coaches know that.

Definitely gotta agree with Pat here.  There certainly is more to kicking and/or punting a football than just trying to knock it to the moon every single time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on November 28, 2006, 06:19:44 PM
I'm certain All-Conference in the MWC is not based on stats.   
People are passed over every year. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: JDL-GDI on November 29, 2006, 11:33:08 PM
You guys do realize that you're arguing about kickers, right?  Just checking.  I guess I can't wait for next season to start either.

By the way- I'm not sure that you can say that the blocked punts weren't at all Alvord's fault.  I was at the Larry-SNC game this year where there were a couple of blocked kicks.  It took the dude forever to get the ball off. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on December 01, 2006, 01:20:15 AM
Scout Team Hero gets his ball off quickly
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 02, 2006, 11:23:04 AM
So fast I could get 2 or 3 off before they knew....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 10, 2006, 10:41:21 PM
6 players from MWC named to All-Region. No First Team, 1 Kicker, and 1 Punter

6 out of 76 players.  Well represented
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on December 12, 2006, 02:03:25 PM
Hero I saw a player from the MWC, power conf. with 25 tackles and 4 picks make a all region team. Do explain.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on December 19, 2006, 10:41:40 PM
I'm guessing said player intimidated his way onto the all-region team.

One thing I did notice tho was that there was no special team spot on the all-region team.  Possible they wanted a special team player to go along with the kicker and punter from the MWC.

Numbers to back me up-14 punt ret for 94 yds, thats 6.7 avg, no blkd kicks


I think there is a kid playing in a Bowl Game on the 6th of Jan. who wasn't good enough to play at the next level, I don't even think he was all-region.


Questions..

Is it possible to avg. 230 yards of offense per game and not make all-MWC?
Is it possible to be a teams best player and not make all-conf?
Is it possible to be a team MVP and not make all-conf?   

Turns out in fact it is possible to be all of the above and not be all-conf.


Maybe I don't know anything about anything.  It's possible, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on December 20, 2006, 11:41:03 AM
Just a quick note, that said player who was not all-conference did in fact house a muffed punt in talahasee.  He took the ball 50 yards the other way against florida state, untouched.  Now the irony is that the play was called back due to a convient call.  I think it is strange that the mwc has no shame in trying to keep him down. 

WMU to the house............................

RBC out...

PS who remebers anything from sat. please let me know..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 25, 2006, 07:22:23 PM
Merry Christmas to everyone on the MWC board
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coolaw56 on December 31, 2006, 10:39:35 AM
And to all a good night, especially Emmy's First Class and his family.  See you all next season.  Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCFANFormerINDIAN on January 03, 2007, 09:38:30 AM
All conference for the midwest conference works like this (or doesn't work).  Each coach puts up as many players as he wants.  The coaches vote before they ever get to the conference meeting.  The top vote getter is 1st team, the 2nd highest vote getter is 2nd team, the 3rd highest vote getter is 3rd team.  Honorable mentions are handed out like this.  Every coach can vote for his own player, a player must get at least 1 more vote to be honorable mention.  The problem with this format is for example...you could have 1 player be unaanimous 1st team named on 10 ballots, 2nd team could be named on 8 or 9 ballots, 3rd team could be named on 7 ballots and the honorable mentions could have anywhere between 6 and 2 votes.  That is a pretty big range for honorable mentions
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on January 11, 2007, 05:53:01 PM
I heard someone from Lake Forest was given an exemption for another year of elgibility.  Is this true, anyone??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on January 15, 2007, 10:25:20 PM
It sounds like UW Stout is a pretty good party school. 
I wish I would have went there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on January 20, 2007, 02:17:56 PM
Yes Hero it is true, #10 is allowed to play until he breaks the punt return yardage and int. records! Cause he couldn't do it in 5 seasons
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on January 29, 2007, 09:45:31 AM
speaking of LFC have they hired a new OC yet? does anyone know the non-conference schedule yet?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScoutTeamHero on February 27, 2007, 10:33:35 PM
Is the LFC baseball team going on a spring trip this year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 02:12:38 AM
Good question. You should ask on the baseball board.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4366.0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on March 13, 2007, 12:48:04 PM
With some schools gearing up for spring ball is there any chance that the MWC will ever change their view on it and off campus recruiting??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUFAN11 on March 27, 2007, 07:10:41 PM
I heard the Lawrence QB from 2003-2005 seasons will be back in 2007.  That should help the rising Vikings.  He was 3rd in overall offense in 2005.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 06, 2007, 01:44:32 PM
This poster's got news on an Illinois College recruit who played prep football in Milwaukee:

The link is:  http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=587459
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2007, 06:28:23 PM
The April 23, 2007 edition of Sports Illustrated has an excellent article about the Carlisle Indians and their contribution to modern football as we know it.

The article does contain a reference to the "first downfield overhand spiral" which was completed on September 5, 1906, by Saint Louis Univeristy QB Bradbury Robinson to teammate Jack Schneider against Carroll College.

A more notable pass was completed by Wesleyan on October 3, 1906, against Yale.  Wesleyan's coach Howard R. Reiter claimed that he learned to throw the overhead spiral from a Carlisle Indian in 1903 when Reiter coached the semipro Philadelphia Football Athletics and that Indian was on the team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 19, 2007, 12:46:53 PM
Heard some news about a WI prep safety headed the Midwest Conference direction:

The link is http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=593383

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 25, 2007, 01:02:13 PM
Former Fighting Scot Mitch Tanney is the new starting QB for the Alabama Steeldogs of the af2 league.  He replaced starting QB Robert Kent (eye injury) late in the first half of their game on Saturday and led them to a win over Louisville.  Kent was then traded on Monday for another QB and the Alabama head coach says this solidifies Tanney as their new starter at QB.  Great news for a past player from the MWC!

Link to the story: http://www.steeldogs.com/scripts/newsdisplay.asp?record_no=9719
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 16, 2007, 11:08:24 AM
Heard some Wisconsin prep players are headed the MWC's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=603775

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=606363
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on June 10, 2007, 07:12:40 PM
Does anyone have a shot at knocking off St. Norbert this year?

From what I recall St. Norbert loses quite a bit on defense, while Monmouth, Carroll, Ripon and Illinois College return a lot on both sides of the ball.

That being said, Lake Forest and Ripon were the only MWC teams who played with them last year.

Title: Beloit
Post by: rome on June 23, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
How will the Bucs be this season???
Title: Midwest Conference TV
Post by: rome on June 23, 2007, 03:50:04 PM
Can someone tell me how MWC TV will work? Will all games be shown?
Title: SNC
Post by: rome on June 23, 2007, 03:51:59 PM
When will the Little General aka Coach Purtill leave SNC

Seems he has accomplished all he can at SNC--DII or bigger DIII program?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference TV
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 23, 2007, 04:20:50 PM
Quote from: rome on June 23, 2007, 03:50:04 PM
Can someone tell me how MWC TV will work? Will all games be shown?

In basketball they showed all of the conference games and there was a pay per view price.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on June 26, 2007, 09:59:20 AM
Information in regard to Midwest Conference football broadcasts on MWCTV will be released in early August.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on July 29, 2007, 11:23:32 PM
Quick rumdown of the MWC

St. Norbert...Always the favorite until somebody knocks them off.

Ripon...Alot returning, and gettiing better with the new schemes.  Continuity counts

Monmouth...Reload for another shot

Lake Forest...Coack Becker needs to have a good year

Illinois College...Should be at the top every year with the area they can recruit

Lawrence...Could be a surprise team here

Carroll...Needs to show consistency, it is possible but they need to step it up

Knox...Don't know what to think here

Grinnell...Good coaching, average players

Beloit...Too hard to recruit here to put a decent squad on the field.

There is the first shot.  Tell me (and I am sure people will) where I am wrong. ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 02, 2007, 08:24:59 PM
I agree with your top two, but think IC, MC, CC, LFC and IC all have legitimate chances to win the conference. On paper this seems to be one of the deeper years for the league.

I think the latter five will beat up on each other, with KC and LU probably getting at least an upset apiece against some of those schools.

I want to say that the league champ will have at least one conference loss this year, but thats been said before and SNC has reloaded and buzzsawed everyone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 04, 2007, 12:31:44 PM
Does anyone have any recruiting information from around the league?

Only 3 schools have anything on their websites...
Grinnell has 18 recruits this year.
Monmouth has 59 recruits this year.
Ripon has 40 recruits (had to count the freshmen on their roster)

No other schools have anything listed.

I believe that quality is definately better than quantity, but, if you get enough players to work through, you are bound to find a couple of players that will work out for you.

One philisophical question.  As a coaching staff, how do you evaluate 59 or even 40 freshmen, while also preparing for a conference season.  I would imagine that for a freshman to be an impact player he has to impress immediately, or else he has to bide his time and hope for his sophomore year.  That probably isn't a bad thing for the development of Freshman, but, I would think that it may be frustrating for kids who go from being studs in high school to kids who are standing on the sidelines a year later.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 04, 2007, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: fmrredwarmer on August 04, 2007, 12:31:44 PM
Does anyone have any recruiting information from around the league?

Only 3 schools have anything on their websites...
Grinnell has 18 recruits this year.
Monmouth has 59 recruits this year.
Ripon has 40 recruits (had to count the freshmen on their roster)

No other schools have anything listed.

I believe that quality is definately better than quantity, but, if you get enough players to work through, you are bound to find a couple of players that will work out for you.

One philisophical question.  As a coaching staff, how do you evaluate 59 or even 40 freshmen, while also preparing for a conference season.  I would imagine that for a freshman to be an impact player he has to impress immediately, or else he has to bide his time and hope for his sophomore year.  That probably isn't a bad thing for the development of Freshman, but, I would think that it may be frustrating for kids who go from being studs in high school to kids who are standing on the sidelines a year later.

Regarding your question, see several posts I made (Replies 1937, 1939 and 1941 on the previous page.) All 3 of those reference links to recruiting information posted from one of the Milwaukee. papers.  After clicking on each link, scroll down a ways, and it'll be there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 04, 2007, 07:27:27 PM
Wartburg  opens at Monmouth this year.  The Knight  fans enjoy a good pregame tailgate party.  How do the powers to be view such activities on the Monmouth campus grounds? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 12, 2007, 07:24:29 PM
DuckDuckGoose posted picks and his post has disappeared...what gives?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 15, 2007, 07:18:24 AM
I had read your postings on individual players who were coming to the Midwest Conference; my question was more about how successfully the schools in the conference were recruiting, numbers wise.

Since my last post on August 4th, no other schools, other than the three that I listed originally have posted a 2007 roster or have mentioned recruiting numbers.

I always like to see 300- 500 new football players in the MWC; it helps increase the level of play and it keeps the MWC schools strong in a general sense.

St. Norberts is at the top of the coaches poll and Knox is eighth.  Other than that I missed them all.   ???  Give me a little (very little) credit, I missed everybody else by one spot in the polls (I switched 2-3, 4-5, 6-7, 9-10) so I really can't complain about the coaches poll.

In response to Rome's post about Coach Purtill...I can't believe that he is still at St. Norberts.  With his sucessful track record he has to have had offers.  If Jeff Voris can get a job with 1 winning season under his belt, you have to know the Coach Purtill has had some offers.  So that begs the question, "Is he jest comfortable being the big fish in a little pond (The MWC) or is he just not interested in taking on the challenges of running a larger program?"

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on August 19, 2007, 01:56:29 AM
OK, I tried to switch my email and all heck broke loose with my account.  Anyway.......The 2007 MWC standings will be as follows......

1) SNC- Put it this way.  If someone put a gun to my head and told me to pick the winner, I couldn't pick against the Greenbacks.  Could anyone?

2) RC- Tons of talent returning, only need to answer a few questions up front to solidify themselves as a contender.

3) MC- I really don't know where the points are going to come from, but the defense is fast and physical as any.

4) LFC- I like the cut of this team's jib.  My gut tells me they could creep up another spot.  Played SNC and RC tough last year, and stunned MC, so you know they can play with the big boys.

5) IC- High octane passing attack could carry them higher.  We'll just have to see.

6) CC- I'm sure somewhere someone has them as a sleeper.  Rogers coming back will be huge towards making that happen, but I see them sleeping again this year.

7) LU- Speaking of trendy sleepers........Still a year away.

8) KC- I will say this, their new facility is pretty sweet.

9) BC- Buc Yuck

10) GC- With Pfalzer gone, its looking like a long year is in store.  On the bright side, I saw that Grinnell was #11 among nationwide liberal arts schools according to US News.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on August 21, 2007, 10:38:31 AM
Ripon has the big red white scrimmage this weekend.  Any other news around the area.  I haven't been on the board all summer, kind of feel lost.  I look forward to the season getting started and now that I am back in WI I will be able to see more games.  I would agree with Duck Duck's rankings however, I wouldn't be suprised to see the Red Hawks give SNC a run for their money.  We play them deep enough in our schedule to have the majority of the kinks out.  With who we have returning and the ones that are stepping up to fill the spots this should be an outstanding season for Ripon.  I will fill you all in after the red white scrimmage.  I am looking for a bigger and better showing this year against UW-0. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 21, 2007, 01:38:25 PM
I have heard that the Hawks have been hit by the injury bug; both starting corners from last year, 1 starting running back and more than their share of backups.  The red and white should be interesting to see who is going to step up into those spots.

I think that the injuries could hurt the defensive secondary the most;  in their system, an average back who is physical can excel and get the job done.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on August 21, 2007, 03:16:28 PM
The Hawks have tremendous depth at RB, and I've heard through the grapevine that they will be fine there.  The secondary is somewhat of a concern though, but the depth there is fine too.

As far as the UW-O game, Hawk Sighting, I also expect a much better performance.  Things were going alright for a while last year, it "should" have been 14-7 at the half, then the roof caved in in the second half.  This team now has the athletes in the starting lineup to at least compete with the big bad state schools, though as always the depth that UW-O can produce for the purpose of special teams is always a huge advantage.  Obviously the expectation is that Oshkosh will win, but it should be a better game.

Now I'm going to stop talking about the WIAC before I get into a rant about their place in DIII.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 21, 2007, 07:32:44 PM
Any specific names to the injuries? I agree Ripon appears to have depth, but you wont be able to replace guys like McGuire, Kellett or Kraemer.

Anyone know how the Ripon QB looks or if any freshman are challenging for PT?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 21, 2007, 09:42:41 PM
The word is that QB is not a problem.  There is a freshman who looks pretty good, but I am not sure which of the 4 freshmen in camp it is.

McGuire is hurt but should be back for the red and white; Burshbach is out for the year, Fehley at CB is out for the year and Murphy the other corner did something to his arm and is out for 3 - 4 weeks.

Those are the starters from last year that are injured as of yesterday.

The Oshkosh game should be a better game than last year just because of the better depth that Ripon has.  The numbers that any state school can throw at a private liberal arts college are overwhelming.  100 players, sophomores - seniors, since they grayshirt most of  the good freshman, will be more than Ripon can handle in the second half.

I will finish your thought on state schools in D-III, it is a joke.  There is NO private school in Wisconsin that can compete facilities wise, with the state schools.  Their ability to "Grayshirt" their freshman is another issue. When parents are paying $30,000 dollars + to educate their kids per year; they are not paying another year just so their kid can play football.  Won't happen and shouldn't happen. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 21, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
OK, now that more of you MWC fans are awake and posting I'll once again ask my earlier question.
Quote from: warthog on August 04, 2007, 07:27:27 PM
Wartburg opens at Monmouth this year.  The Knight fans enjoy a good pregame tailgate party.  How do the powers to be view such activities on the Monmouth campus grounds? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 23, 2007, 03:47:59 PM
Quote from: warthog on August 21, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
OK, now that more of you MWC fans are awake and posting I'll once again ask my earlier question.
Quote from: warthog on August 04, 2007, 07:27:27 PM
Wartburg opens at Monmouth this year.  The Knight fans enjoy a good pregame tailgate party.  How do the powers to be view such activities on the Monmouth campus grounds? 

There are usually people tailgating in the parking lot to the west of Bobby Woll Field (the one by the tennis courts).  Obviously there are more tailgaters for the big games each season, Homecoming and the Turkey Bowl, since alot of alums come to these games; and there will probably be a big crowd for the Wartburg game to kick off the season...just not sure how many will be tailgating since the community, rather than former football players and alumni, makes up a large percentage of the first game each year.  As of now, I'm planning on being there for next Saturday's game!  :)  Any of you other former Scots gonna be around?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on August 23, 2007, 04:22:45 PM
Sounds like Ripon has caught the injury bug.I thought they had a shot at winning the conference this year.It's hard to lose key starters and still come out on top.Look what happened to Carroll last year.Ripon has a couple of teams early in the schedule  that like to throw the ball.They better not be to concerned about Norbert until they take care of the first part of their schedule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on August 23, 2007, 06:18:14 PM
mwcfbdad - I agree that getting hit by the "injury bug" is never a good thing, however that is why coaches recruit, if you only have one person that can play at each spot you would be a lawrence football program.  These coaches know how to recruit, thus have great back ups, thats whats nice about a program like thiers every day is a competition for starting.  If you don't have some one breathing down your neck for your position you don't get better.  Plus the guys that are out with an injury are there very day coaching on the others and helping, so technique and reading of blocks/routes wont be lost. 

I can assure you that Ripon only looks at the team they are playing that Saturday, they never look a head, that is something that is stressed the first day of camp.  This is going to be an exciting season for all and I am excited to get this season launched.  Good Luck to all!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 24, 2007, 01:54:10 PM
Hawk Sighting (mc)

I agree that Ripon has the talent, what they lack is any game experience.  I have been told that some of the freshman and sophomores that are being asked to step up are MORE talented than the players they are replacing the big question  ??? is can they do it when it matters on Saturdays.  I would guess that after a few games, Ripon will be better than they were last year, will they still have a shot when that time comes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 27, 2007, 02:24:04 PM
I attended the Red and White this past weekend and the kids look pretty good.  I didn't have a roster and haven't looked up any numbers for the freshman online so some comments will be with numbers only.  If you want to know the kids name you will have to look it up yourself.

Offensively, 2 qb's stood out; Tygh Walters who is a junior and #15 who is a freshman, both ran the offense consistently and well.  Scott Perkins and John Larsen are both quality fullbacks, Scott is elusive, Larsen is a bull.  At running back I didn't recognize anyone; #20 and #30 started with #39 looking pretty good all the way around.  I didn't see McGuire or Burschbach suited up at all.  Receivers blocked well and caught what was thrown to them; but most importantly they blocked well.

Defensively, #63 and #77 are large guys who clog the middle.  Raselinger looked good at end.  Secondary played alot of people at corner and nobody caught my eye; good or bad.  Kellet and Kramer at the force safety position are both good and Spratty at the free safety position is solid also.  Linebackers looked solid, with #47(Krause I think) at Middle looking very comfortable, the weak and strong, not sure which is which since the offense is balanced, also looked good with #42 catching my eye with his speed.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 27, 2007, 03:36:56 PM
New to the site. New to the conference. New to a son in college football. Any suggestions and insights would be appreciated. Also looking for fellow parents of SNC football players. Info on game day traditions, tailgating, stops before the game. Any information is welcome.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on August 27, 2007, 05:10:16 PM
fmrredwarmer(insert initials here) - I couldn't agree more.  Everything that you said is right on.  Krause is a beast and I am looking forward to seeing him play this season.  I think that Tygh Walters is a stud, I am excited to see someone that can run the option and read the defense.  He also has a decent arm to be a pass threat also.  As for the back field they run hard and the o-line is able to open up holes.  On the defense, they might be young at the line but big, hard to move, and will grow very quickly.  The dbacks will be practicing for playing time every day, I think they have the right people for it.  I am really excited for this season to launch in T-5 days.  Big opener for the Redhawks..  fmred, see you there?  Stop over and introduce yourself!! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 27, 2007, 08:15:46 PM
Hawk Sighting,

I travel a lot and will be out of town for most of the month of September, I hope to keep up with the Hawks on MWCTV and through this forum.  I played at Ripon years before you or your father got there.  But, I was there during the Ernst era.  I will introduce myself when I get to a game and see you there.  Probably won't be until Monmouth although I may drive down to Beloit. 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on August 28, 2007, 02:31:06 PM
I have too much time on my hands...Thank God for WI-FI hot spots.  Illinois College is the only scholl in the conference that has not posted a roster for 2007 so I can't include their numbers in this post, but, with a little counting and figuring we can discuss the success (or lack thereof) of the schools in the conference as far as recruiting goes.  Before anyone goes off on me, I know that numbers don't tell the whole story about the value of a recruiting class, but I do believe that more recruits is better for the all around health of a program.  the more athletes that you have to choose from, the better your chances of finding and developing some players who can help you.

I will list the schools by roster size with the second number being the number of freshman that were brought in.

Monmouth     113     56 frosh   50%
Carroll           112     48 frosh   43%
St. Norberts  106     45 frosh   42%
Ripon              78     35 frosh   45%
Lake Forest    63     23 frosh   37%
Knox               59     13 frosh   22%
Beloit              51     20 frosh   39%
Lawrence       49     16 frosh   33%
Grinnell           46     15 frosh   33%

I don't know if the percentage of freshmen on the team matters at all, but since I am a statitician...

To me it looks as if the top of the conference is recruiting better and getting more athletes on campus.  Monmouth has more freshmen than Beloit, Lawrence or Grinnell has players.  I do believe that the disparity is part of the difference between winning and losing.  I know that Grinnell will have a tough time recruiting because of the academic standards that they have there.  But what is up with Lawrence and Knox,  Ripon only has 2 full time coaches/recruiters and they manage to get 35 freshman on campus.  Lawrence has to have at least 4 full time people on staff and they can only get 16 freshman.  What is the story there?  I know that winning makes a difference and makes recruiting a little easier, but, I wonder if they are going about it the right way.

This message board doesn't have a lot of posts compared to other boards.  Is anyone interested? Does anyone want to discuss this stuff?  I am trying to get something going here.  Maybe most of it doesn't matter...OK...What does matter? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 28, 2007, 02:52:15 PM
fm, Thanks for the work on this. My son is one of those freshman on one of those teams. I do have to say that he was heavily recruited by 4 teams in the conference. He immediately eliminated 2 of the 4. His final choice was pretty late in the game. I had no idea that there were that many freshman as part of the teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 28, 2007, 03:06:52 PM
Yeah I do believe that fmrredwarmer does have way too much time on his hands! ;D  But those are some interesting numbers and it does seem to tell the tale of the recent top and bottom halves of the MWC.  Success on the field is definitely a big factor in successful recruiting classes for many of these schools. 

And since I haven't gotten any responses to this yet, I'll ask again...any other former Fighting Scots planning on being in Monmouth for the Wartburg game on Saturday?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on August 28, 2007, 03:19:52 PM
Fm, I think you do have too much time on your hands.I didn't know there was such a big difference in the number of players on each team.How do those numbers add up in wins?Do the freshmen get much playing time at the schools with 100 plus players.
I don't get on this site much but like reading what people have to say about their teams.Once the season starts I will try to be more involved in the discussions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWOTITAN on August 29, 2007, 08:52:21 PM
Just to be clear, UW-Oshkosh does not greyshirt players. They take the best 100 players that come out regardless of class.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on August 30, 2007, 10:51:48 AM
What is everyone predicting for this weekend?  I think Carroll will come out on top against Carthage!  The last 2 years it has been soo close..  If everyone can stay healthy they will be in the top 3 for sure!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on August 30, 2007, 11:49:08 AM
Hey CCalum is Carroll healthy going into this weekend?If they can play like they did two years ago they will have a good shot at a Carthage team that lost a lot to graduation.
It looks like Monmouth and Ripon have their hands full this week.Lfc and Illinois games are a toss up.I think everyone else should win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on August 30, 2007, 12:16:28 PM
I might have underestimated the team Grinnell is playing.I think they beat Grinnell last year and will probly do the same this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on August 30, 2007, 12:30:37 PM
Actually Carroll played Carthage tougher last season.  Carthage only had 87 yards of total offense but luckily Carthage blocked a punt for a Td in the fourth quarter.  Carroll has almost everyone healthy. QB Chris Rogers is a stud and look for big TE Josh Gould to have a big game.  The defense will be tough too.  Im predicting 24-14 Carroll WIN!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on August 30, 2007, 12:52:08 PM
As for the rest of the conference:  Here are my predications

Ripon will lose to UWO.  42-21
Monmouth will lose to Wartburg. 31-10
St.Norbert will win-close game. 24-17
IC will win a close game. 21-17
Lake Forest will lose 14-10
Grinnell will lose
Knox will lose

Im not trying to offend anybody and there team.  But from recently playing in the conference I kinda have an idea of whats going on.

Any other thoughts???????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on August 30, 2007, 01:57:34 PM
You forgot Beloit.
I still think Knox will win and I think LFC will get the victory.
Good luck to all MWC teams.Stay healthy and play hard.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on August 31, 2007, 11:28:56 AM
What are MWCFBDad and I are the only one who have opinions?  People need to get in gear!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2007, 11:41:48 AM
Hey. I'm new. All I know anything about is SNC and maybe a couple of past records. But I will read your posts. Especially when you say SNC will win.  ;)  I am so psyched about this season. I can harly wait to make the drive tomorrow and enjoy a great afternoon watching college football.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 31, 2007, 12:34:29 PM
I've been around here for awhile, so I guess I can throw out some guesses too...

GC at Kenyon - Kenyon scores a bunch in a big win
BC at Macalester - BC continues their domination over Macalester
IC at Millikin - Millikin won a tight one at IC last year, wins this one at home by a couple TD's I think
KC at Eureka - KC wins, hurts to say that but Eureka just isn't good at all
UW-Oshkosh at RC - UWO wins but not as big as that 57-0 from last year
Wartburg at MC - Scots' D leads the way and MC pulls one out in a low-scoring defensive battle
Olivet Nazarene at SNC - SNC wins big again at home
CC at Carthage - CC finally gets over the hump and gets a win against Carthage
LFC at Washington (MO) - LFC defense looks strong in a tight game
LU won't lose this week...no matter what, book it!  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kiltman85 on August 31, 2007, 05:58:19 PM
GC at Kenyon - Grinnell lost their qb to graduation, therefore they lost their only shot at scoring

BC at Macalester- Beloit played a good defensive game last year and they do it again and win a close one

IC at Millikin- Offense for IC should be good, but they don't return a lot on D.  Milikin wins at home in a close game

KC at Eureka - I'm with Maverick and it hurts me to say it, but Knox beats Eureka easily

UW-Oshkosh at RC -  Oshkosh wins in a game not much closer than last year

Wartburg at MC - This one is tough because I hate to go against my scots.  Tanney shows signs of being a star and the D shines for both teams.  It will be close. The game will be decided by less than 7 either way, but my gut says the Scots will pull it out at home

Olivet Nazarene at SNC - SNC wins easy

CC at Carthage - The return of Rogers to the lineup helps CC beat Carthage and put their name in the running for the MWC title this year

LFC at Washington (MO) -  Lake Forest plays tough D year end and year out.  THey will do it again and win

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 31, 2007, 08:07:03 PM
Heres my picks...I want to pick Monmouth, but Im just not sure, although I think there D will keep them in that game.

Kenyon 45, Grinnell 21
Beloit 24, Macalester 7
Illinois College 24, Millikin 13
Knox 21, Eureka 7
Oshkosh 42, Ripon 0
Wartburg 17, Monmouth 3
St. Norbert 28, Olivet 14
Carroll 14, Carthage 13
Lake Forest 17, Washington 2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 31, 2007, 08:49:02 PM
fmrredwarmer,

In regard to your previous post on freshman classes in the MWC, after looking at IC's roster on their website, it is their 2007 roster, but is mislabeled 2006. I count 40 frosh on the team.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on September 01, 2007, 06:30:16 PM
Wartburg fan here. I loved the Internet video your conference offers. I'm a HS football coach and was able to get out to Ill to watch today, so that was a great feature.
Quick question-I was expecting a low-scoring battle today since I was under the impression that Monmouth had several starters returning on D. Was Wartburg that good today or will it be a long year for the fighting Scots?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 01, 2007, 09:49:36 PM
Bad day for the MWC...is it basketball season yet?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 01, 2007, 10:16:47 PM
Walston Hoover:

Knights had too many weapons.  Defensive group was all over the ball.  Swarming like a bunch of gnats.  The announcer was having a tough time deciding who should get the credit for tackles on lots of plays.  The D should keep us in most games.  Offense will be fun to watch if the Knights can remain consistent with line play.  Lots of options including a young running back from St. Louis area that may make the Suckow transfer look irrelevant.  The kid is a punishing runner.  So many pass receivers including last years qb who it appears has found new life as a wideout.  I liked how well the ball was distributed to more than one receiver.  Sorry you used up all your NCAA playing time.

Our favorite prognosticator called it 35-0 when we met for breakfast this morning.  He was right up until the Knights gave up a late inconsequential score.  When he had an inside information I wasn't very impressed with his ability to call 'em, but now I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2007, 04:21:02 PM
Attended my 1st MWC game. I did not know that Olivet is a scholarship school! Great game. Special teams have a lot of work to do but I am sure that will come around. Hot day. Many linemen were spent. The tradition of ringing the bell after a home victory was great to witness and I look forward to it many times over the next 4 years. On to Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2007, 09:27:29 PM
Olivet Nazarene is a scholarship school. Olivet is a Division III school in the MIAA. Two separate schools.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on September 03, 2007, 10:09:29 AM
Hi SNC Dad-

Welcome to the board.  My baby brother is a senior at SNC and it has been a great 3 years and I am excited but somewhat sad that we're on the final year of his college career.  Enjoy the games, tailgating, and interaction with other very excited parents, friends, and family. 

Go Knights :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 03, 2007, 02:58:14 PM
Well guys, I made it to the first game of the season, Ripon vs UW-0..  Tell me if I am wrong, but I feel that Ripon had a better showing than last year.  The guys played tougher and hung with them really well through the first half.  The biggest difference is between these two teams is size and depth.  It's a great thing for Ripon to play them, shows them what it takes to be a top tier team in this conference and what it will take to bring home the DIII title.  There is still a lot of work to do, but they are becoming the team that the coaches and the players want to become.  I am excited for the rest of this season and for the future.  I hope that the injuries from this game are not season/career ending and that everyone will be suited up very soon.  Those that were at the game let me know what you though?!  I would love to hear from some of the titans and see if they saw any difference between last year and this year.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 04, 2007, 09:54:29 AM
Iwas at the Carroll/Carthage game and was very surpised by the outcome.  Carroll really didnt get anything rolling and looked flat almost the whole game.  They need to get TE #88 Josh Gould the ball more.  They threw to him 3 times and 2 were completed and 1 for a TD.  I do think Carroll will regroup and have a solid week against Beloit for the Pio/Buck bowl. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on September 05, 2007, 09:30:52 AM
Hawk,
Who got injured in the game?How healthy will they be against LFC this week?I spoke to a player from LFC and he said they lost a linebacker but are pretty healthy otherwise.
How did any of the other conference teams fair health wise?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 05, 2007, 09:46:16 AM
I do not think SNC had any injuries. I will try to find out but all looked healthy.
Any insight into Grinnell?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 05, 2007, 11:18:42 AM
Beloit is in the process of turning things around but lets not forget that they had substantial graduation losses on defense. I'm not sure that they didn't get younger this year. It won't happen this year but they will get there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2007, 12:40:10 PM
Week 1 MWC Games:

Illinois College at Knox - IC, the Fire hang around early at home but Blueboys pull away
St. Norbert at Grinnell - SNC, runaway game for the Knights
Ripon at Lake Forest - RC, Forester D plays better but Redhawks win a tight one
Monmouth at Lawrence - MC, Scots get back on track with a big win at Larry
Carroll at Beloit - CC, Bucs lost to Macalester = long season in Beloit

What's everyone else got for this weekend?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on September 06, 2007, 04:35:25 PM
Maverick,
I have to agree with your picks.The only game that might be close is Ripon vs Lake Forest. Although if any of your picks loses it will be an upset.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 06, 2007, 05:15:53 PM
Maverick - I would agree with mwcdad, i do like the picks, however I am going to go out on a limb and say that the Ripon vs Lake Forest game isn't going to be as close as you think.  The defense is playing really well and the offense, well anyone that understands the option knows that it's a tough thing to stop.  I am going to say that the final score will be something around 35-17 Ripon.  Any Redhawks going to be making this game?!  I might venture down for a peak, plus I know the new QB coach at Lake Forest. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 06, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Maverick- your pics are great.  But those arent hard games to pic! Carroll's gonna roll Beloit!! I think Ripon and Lake Forest will be closer than 35-17!!!!  Lake Forest always has a tough D!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on September 07, 2007, 09:44:07 AM
As we start the conference games this weekend who do you think are the strongest candidates for O and D MVP's?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2007, 03:28:22 PM
Thanks guys, glad to see people backing up my picks!  :)  Now I just hope they stand up even though they all do seem to be easy choices.  Only reason I'm thinking RC @ LFC will be a tight contest is because the Foresters are at home rather than having to play it on the road; if the game was in Ripon I would guess the Redhawks winning by a couple scores.  Everyone have a great weekend of football!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 07, 2007, 11:14:13 PM
mwcfbdad,

my calls on early POW candidates. If SNC wins the league, I would imagine it will be Craig, but if O'Connell reaches 1,000 yards receiving and Craig throws two ints a game, I think O'Connell will get it.

Jennings from IC is the other likely candidate. They cant run the ball, so he will put up a big numbers. Ripon spreads the ball around too much to have an MVP if they win the league, so Jennings would be the likely default in that case and still may edge Craig if IC only loses one or two games and plays SNC close.

Ziemnik and Craig are longshots, but could take it if their teams win the league. All QBs for me, I dont think there are any RBs who are big enough horses to put up the numbers to get the MVP.

Defense is probably too early to tell, but likely comes from the league champ. O'Malley didnt have huge numbers last year, but obviously was looked upon as the anchor to their D.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 08, 2007, 01:36:06 PM
IC @ KC - The Knox Bowl is always a reverse-psychology intimidating venue, but the Jennings air display is too much.       IC 35, Knox 13

SNC @ GC - Ummmmm........  SNC 52, GC 3.

RC @ LFC - LFC will give it the old college try, but you can't contain the greatest offensive system ever devisedTM.  RC 28, LFC 17.

MC @ LU - Remember, the Larrys are the sleeper.  I want to say stunning upset, but no.  MC 24, LU 7.

CC @ BC - There are not that many events that should make a team give up hope, but losing to the Mac Scotties is definitely one of them.  CC 42, BC 7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 08, 2007, 02:02:46 PM
Off to the LU game soon.  It'll be tough but you never know, the Vikes could pull off the upset!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 08, 2007, 06:17:40 PM
Well, the weather was nice..... :-\

MC obviously dominated every aspect of the game in a 44-7 rout of LU.  The defense was actually not that bad considering the field position that MC had the whole game.  Hard to think of any other positives from the Lawrence perspective.  Oh well, perhaps all the first  game jitters will be out of LU now and they can shock St. Norbert next week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2007, 09:47:42 PM
Photo gallery of that game: http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1821
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 09, 2007, 11:44:39 AM
Pat - Thanks for posting the link to pics of the MC-LU game.  Some good action shots in there and it brought back some memories of playing up there a few years ago...making myself sound older than I already am, haha!  :D

wc2viking - I wouldn't bet on LU shocking SNC next week, but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing the upset.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on September 10, 2007, 07:56:37 PM
Picks for this week.

After all of the road teams won last week...All of the home teams will win this week.  The only one that has a chance to be close is Lake Forest @ IC.  Lake Forest played the hawks tough although Lake Forest recovering 2 onside kicks made it a little closer than it was.  All of the other home teams roll.  I don't see any visitor getting within 2 TD's.

Knox @ Ripon  Ripon by 21 if they have an off day

Beloit @ Monmouth  Monmouth by more than 21

Grinnell @ Carroll  Carroll by 14

Lawrence @ St Norberts  The Norbs only beat  Grinnell by 22, but chalk that up to one long bus ride.  Norberts by 30 if they call off the dogs early.

Lake Forest @ Illinois College IC by 10.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 10, 2007, 11:26:00 PM
I agree with all of the pics!  It would be an upset if any of them loss...  I am not saying this just because I am a Carroll Alum but Carroll is going to beat Grinnell by way more than 14 points!  This is Carroll's first home game and the opening of the new team center!  There is going to be alot of orange and blue in the crowd and look for Carroll to win by 30 plus! 

I know they played Beloit but still 2 Carroll Players for POW!  Nice job Brock Linde with 3 int's and Bryce Crocker with 4 td's and over 200 yards rushing! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on September 12, 2007, 09:48:49 AM
Any major injuries around the league this week? ???  I haven't heard anything out of the Red Hawk camp...people coming back, but nobody hurt.

2 Carroll players as POW is a great accomplishment.  True it was Beloit, but they still had to get the job done.  It is often easy to play down to an opponents level.  One question about the new team center...Does it have locker rooms for the visiting teams also, or will they still be across the street?  Just curious.  As you probably know from being a former player, there are way, way worse places to dress than at Carroll as a visitor.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 12, 2007, 12:03:16 PM
Im 99% sure that the visitors have to walk across the street, I will double check that for you.  You are definately right when you say its not that bad for visitors!  THE ABSOLUTE WORSE IS IC, they make you walk almost a half mile!  and Grinnell sucks too, and St. Norberts needs a new facility for there visitors because the deer shack sucks!!  Now Im getting fired up!

Not only did the 2 Carroll Players get Midwest Players of the week they also made the D3 football.com team of the week! Nice job now its time to take care of Grinnell! 

Anything new out there?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 12, 2007, 03:31:11 PM
The locker rooms we got stuck in when playing at Knox left alot to be desired!  Was that just because it was Monmouth or did they put all visiting teams in the dungeon/basement of some building that was a long walk away from the bowl?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 12, 2007, 04:58:21 PM
Actually Knox was really bad too!!!  They had a tent pitched for us!!! Come to think about it almost all the schools in our conference have horrible facilities for visitors!  Beloit has nice locker rooms and Carroll's isnt bad! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 12, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
We can only hope that all schools can fund newer facilities. St. Norbert is in a big push and want to have it finished in time for the Freshman on the team today to play there before they graduate.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 12, 2007, 11:13:43 PM
Time for this weeks predictions, brought to you by Rippin Good Cookies, making the north side of town smell great for a bunch of years.

KC @ RC - The greatest offensive system ever devisedTM showdown!  Too bad its not much of a showdown.          RC 42 KC 14.

BC @ MC - ARRRRRRRRRRR!  Bucs put up a great effort against the Scotties.  Relatively.        MC 49 BC 7.

GC @ CC - Pios showdown!!!!!!! Impressive effort by the Iowa Pios against SNC.  Not sure I buy it, but I'll keep this one closer than I originally thought.    CC 31 GC 14.

LU @ SNC - I really thought that the Larrys would at least make the game against MC somewhat not embarrassing.  Either MC is better than I thought (possible) or LU is worse.          SNC 45 LU 10.

LFC @ IU - The cut of the gib showdown.  LFC played RC tough, and IC romped over KC.  This one will be a war, but I'm seeing blue.     IC 34 LFC 28.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 12, 2007, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Duck Duck Goose on September 12, 2007, 11:13:43 PM
Time for this weeks predictions, brought to you by Rippin Good Cookies, making the north side of town smell great for a bunch of years.

KC @ RC - The greatest offensive system ever devisedTM showdown!  Too bad its not much of a showdown.          RC 42 KC 14.

BC @ MC - ARRRRRRRRRRR!  Bucs put up a great effort against the Scotties.  Relatively.        MC 49 BC 7.

GC @ CC - Pios showdown!!!!!!! Impressive effort by the Iowa Pios against SNC.  Not sure I buy it, but I'll keep this one closer than I originally thought.    CC 31 GC 14.

LU @ SNC - I really thought that the Larrys would at least make the game against MC somewhat not embarrassing.  Either MC is better than I thought (possible) or LU is worse.          SNC 45 LU 10.

LFC @ IU - The cut of the gib showdown.  LFC played RC tough, and IC romped over KC.  This one will be a war, but I'm seeing blue.     IC 34 LFC 28.

Might I say that I find your username very amusing  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2007, 01:54:37 PM
Just out of curiosity, what is the opinion of the locker rooms provided for visiting teams at Monmouth?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 13, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
Obviously Monmouth's facilities are immaculate, but I was never a huge fan of having to change in the fieldhouse itself.  Beloit would probably be the best in terms of visiting facilities, at least Knox doesn't stick people down in the dungeon anymore.  The walk at IC is ridiculous, by the time we got back to the locker room during halftime the buzzer for the start of the 2nd half was ringing.

I'd like to see an across the board upgrade for all teams, but I'm not seeing it in the cards......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 14, 2007, 02:02:01 PM
Week 2 MWC Games:

Lake Forest at Illinois College - IC, Foresters come close again but Blueboys win at home
Knox at Ripon - RC, Redhawks run away with it
Beloit at Monmouth - MC, Scots win big at home
Grinnell at Carroll - CC, battle of the Pios goes to the team from Wisky
Lawrence at St. Norbert - SNC, another big win at home for the Knights
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 18, 2007, 08:43:58 AM
Another Carroll College player of the week!!!!!  This week's games are going to say alot about the season!!!  Carroll hasnt beat Monmouth in as long as I can remember but they better be prepared for a very good Carroll team!  Carroll has Monmouth at home this weekend and I wouldnt be suprise if Carroll pulls this one off!!!!!! 

There are too many athletes on Carroll's team for them not to win!!!  Lets go Pio's, make this your year!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on September 18, 2007, 02:51:39 PM
Picks of the week

Beloit at Knox. Knox fairly easily

Lawrence at Grinnell.  It can't be a tie, so let's say Lawrence

Monmouth at Carroll.  Good game, but I'll go with Monmouth in a very close game.

St. Norberts at Lake Forest.  St. Norberts by 14

Ripon at Illinois College.  Ripon by 3, if their pass defense improves.  IC by 20 if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 18, 2007, 08:16:20 PM
I will take...


Beloit 24, Knox 20

Lawrence 35, Grinnell 32

Monmouth 28, Carroll 21

Lake Forest 15, St. Norbert 14

IC 20, Ripon 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on September 19, 2007, 11:29:28 AM
Titan...

Do you have any reasoning behind your picks.  Even if I wasnt a SNC fan, I would still question 15 to 14 win for Ripon over SNC... any one elses thoughts?  Is Ripon's D that good or do you think that SNCs offense isnt coming to the game sat?


Im being both serious and sarcastic with that comment.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 19, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
mwcSNC,
First off I think you meant Lake Forest instead of Ripon. Correct?
Going under that assumption, I will agree. I do not think it will be a blow out, but then again what did Lake Forest do last week? Didn't they play Illinois College? What was the score of that game?
The one thing I noticed about Titan's picks is that they are all within one score. This has to be the most competitive week of the MWC schedule. The Lawrence-Grinnell score is high and I agree with that. Monmouth-Carroll game is a tough call. I think Carroll can pull this one out. If they do it will be close. If Monmouth wins, I think it will be by more than a TD.
My picks are nothing but pure guesswork. Too new to the MWC to have my picks worth anything. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on September 19, 2007, 05:09:17 PM
SNCOLDAD

You are correct, not sure how I mixed that up.  I definately meant Lake Forest.  AS far as how they did last weekend.  They lost 37 - 13 to Illinois College.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on September 19, 2007, 05:52:04 PM
The way I see it Lake forest will have to outscore Norbert to win this game.If you want to pick them i think something like 31-28 would be a safer bet.I haven't heard much about Norbert yet this year but the Forest is in need of some CB's.
I think IC at home will take care of Ripon.The IC QB is the real deal.I have to look at the other games before i give my two cents.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 19, 2007, 09:11:59 PM
Alrighty here are my picks for week 4:

Ripon AT IC-  This could be interesting but Jennings will pick them apart, IC over Ripon 28-17

Beloit at Knox- Beloit is to young and Knox isnt very good, but Knox will win 24-10

GAME OF THE WEEK!  Monmouth at Carroll-  Carroll hasnt beat Monmouth in a very long time but this is the year they will finally do it!  To much talent on Carroll not to see a big W!  Monmouth has a freshman QB and he has not seen a very good defense yet!  Carroll wins this one 28-17!!!!!

Lawerance at Grinnell-  This one is hard to call, Im going to go with Lawerance in a tight one 21-14

St. Norberts at Lake Forest- St. Norberts will roll over Lake Forest!  Lake Forest got crushed by IC and Norberts is better than IC!  Norberts win 31-10!

Those are my pics and one agree?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 19, 2007, 09:37:13 PM
mwcSNC,  here is the reasoning behind my pick

Aside from 2005, Lake Forest has managed to play pretty low scoring games against St. Norbert and nearly upset them last year on the road despite being an inferior team. St. Norbert doesn't seem as strong as past seasons and lake forest has most of their team from last year back, so I thought I would pick the underdog at home scratching for their first win.

Both teams strength seems to be on offense, so 15-14 may be too low scoring, but I don't see LFC drop a ton of points on SNC and SNC for whatever reason seems to struggle with LFC. Maybe it's the 3-4 defense?


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2007, 10:17:59 PM
Quote from: CCAlum23 on September 19, 2007, 09:11:59 PM
Monmouth has a freshman QB and he has not seen a very good defense yet!


Um...wow...Wartburg defense = very good defense...saw them play week 1 against the Scots...that's all I'm going to say.  Will make my picks on Friday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on September 19, 2007, 11:16:02 PM
ripon at IC--> This is the biggest game of the week in the conference in my opinion. Ripon returns three all conference safetys, two which were first teamers. IC's strength is obviously Jennings and Reed. I believe this game could come down to who makes the adjustments. I expect Josh Kraemer and Chris Kellet to be all around the field. Someone told me that Kellet got hurt last week. Anyone got any info on that? That would be a huge blow for Ripon. My opinion on the outcome depends on him playing and their QB who got knocked out of the game last week.

Beloit at Knox--> This game should be a close contested game. Both teams are are the bottom half of the conference, and I believe beloit will pull it out.

Monmout at Carroll--> This is the second biggest game of the week. Monmouth had a great team last year, and this year doesnt seem to be different. Carroll is coming back this year with their QB back, and Crocker. I think this game will be closer than most expect, and this might be my upset pic. Im gonna go with Carroll on the "upset" Maybe the Freshman will have his first tough matchup. Hamilton is a terrific DB.

St norbs at lake forest--> I think this game wont be a matchup. SNC is a well oiled machine, and I dont think much will matter. Lake forest's defense got torched by IC and Ripon so far this yaer. Norbs wins big. Cody, Judd and company will have a big day.


Lawrence at Grinnell.... lawrence, enough said.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 20, 2007, 09:26:34 AM
Time for week four predictions, brought to you by the Sirloin Stockade.  Why else would you come to Galesburg?

BC at KC - I'd rather watch Craziest Police Chases 74 on FOX, but I guess........      KC 24 BC 7

MC @ CC - Pios have feasted on weak sisters so far, but will find this week's sister holding a gun.      MC 31 CC 10

SNC @ LFC - I'm liking LFC's gib less and less as time goes on......But they will at least keep this respectable.       SNC 34 LFC 9

LU @ GC - The corn does strange things to people on bus rides (ask SNC), but I'll take the Larrys in a close one.      LU 24 GC 17.

RC @ IC - The board consensus preseason 2nd best team in the league runs into a big test this week in a HUGE showdown.  IC is really really good.  Seriously.  Ripon's pass D can contain the Jennings show, but IC's run game is almost as potent.  Adding in the seven hour drive down to Jacksonville, and it all adds up to Blue.       IC 28 RC 21.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 20, 2007, 10:06:03 AM
Wartburg is definately a tough D!  But how did Monmouth Offense look against them?  If my records show me right they only had 142 total yards and 7 total first downs!  I will be at this game and it may be close, but Carroll will finally get over the hump and come out on top! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on September 20, 2007, 10:34:49 AM
MWCTV Week 4 Schedule/Preview...

http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=1848
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 10:28:01 AM
I put the message in the appropriate place already, SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 21, 2007, 01:32:47 PM
Maverick,

I agree that Wartburg's D is a good one. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 21, 2007, 01:53:22 PM
Week 3 MWC Games:

Ripon at Illinois College - IC, tight game but Blueboys pull out an impressive win
Beloit at Knox - KC, hard to pick the Fire to win but I'll go with them at home in this one
Monmouth at Carroll - MC, Pioneer D may be good but not Wartburg caliber and Scots D shows up in a big way on Saturday
Lawrence at Grinnell - LU, Pios play close in the cornfields but Larry scores enough to win
St. Norbert at Lake Forest - SNC, Foresters play close at home but Knights have enough for road win

DutchFan - Thanks for backing me up there...I'm sure you have first hand knowledge of their defensive abilities being a Central fan.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2007, 04:22:09 PM
Anyone out there got scoring updates on today's games?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2007, 05:52:31 PM
Monmouth pulls out the win at Carroll 6-3.  I could've sworn this was football season but it appears that a baseball game broke out in Waukesha this afternoon! :D  Seriously though, looking at the box score, it appears that both teams played a very strong defensive game with alot of punts on both sides.  Way to get the road win Scots!  Anyone else got scores/updates on other MWC games?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 22, 2007, 07:16:39 PM
Holy Crap Ripon!!!!!!  Shows how much I know.  After two pretty average performances, RC puts a good old fashioned whooping on the Blueboys 48-17.  Good gracious.  I hope Carroll packs their lunch next week cause they're going to need it.  Wow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 22, 2007, 09:26:29 PM
Congratulations to LU on their first win of the season!  Lawrence holds off Grinnell 24-19.  Doesn't sound like a pretty victory, but we'll take it.

LU writeup (http://www.lawrence.edu/athletics/football/gamerecaps/07_grinnell.html)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2007, 10:05:53 PM
Quote from: wc2viking on September 22, 2007, 09:26:29 PM
Congratulations to LU on their first win of the season!  Lawrence holds off Grinnell 24-19.  Doesn't sound like a pretty victory, but we'll take it.

LU writeup (http://www.lawrence.edu/athletics/football/gamerecaps/07_grinnell.html)

viking - I hate to burst your bubble, but it was the other way around...Grinnell actually held off Lawrence to get their first win of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 22, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
D'oh!  :-\

Ouch, wishful headline reading on my part!  Hmm, a loss to Grinnell really puts the vikings on the skids.  I hope we're not looking at a repeat of the infamous winless season a few years ago.

Slinks off and looks for a hole......... :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 23, 2007, 12:11:37 AM
Overall responses to week four:

1) Once again holy crap Hawks.  I wasn't sure which way that game was going, but I thought it would be close at least.

2) Lawrence, I know the corn is scary, but losing to the I-Pi's?????? Good golly.

3) Monmouth's offense??????? I know Carroll can be stingy, but come on fellas.  Good thing their D is suffocationg.

Looking forward, and I know Scottie and Nubs fans will be up in arms, but is it too early to declare Ripon the favorite?  I know that everyone is gunning for SNC all the time, but its hard to be more impressive than RC was today.  I guess time will tell.........
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2007, 12:34:39 AM
Quote from: Duck Duck Goose on September 23, 2007, 12:11:37 AM


Looking forward, and I know Scottie and Nubs fans will be up in arms, but is it too early to declare Ripon the favorite?  I know that everyone is gunning for SNC all the time, but its hard to be more impressive than RC was today.  I guess time will tell.........

My ears must have been burning, although I realize this was not the "normal" use of Scottie....  Was just checking in to see the reaction of the 6-3 score.  I saw the score posted on a local tv sports segment and had to check two newspapers today to confirm. Sounds like a hard fought win by the Scots.

You know what I'm tempted to write here....
;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 24, 2007, 10:21:22 AM
I was at the Carroll/ Monmouth game and it was a hard fought battle by both teams! Both Defense's looked real tough! Honestly that game could of went either way but Congrats to Monmouth for pulling it out.  Duck Duck Goose Im gonna say Ripon's win was impressive but dont get to cocky because Carroll will bring there lunch pal and they will give they left over crums to the Red Hawks!   

I've talked to some of the players and they know how important this game is this week and they still do believe they contend for the Conference Championship!

Should be a another good game!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on September 24, 2007, 12:13:05 PM
I listened to the MC-CC game it sounded like an offensive disaster. I think the biggest problem that Monmouth is having is the inability to establish the running game and also losses on early downs that puts us in obvious pass situations. With Grinnell coming in this weekend we should be able to work on some things that we will need to have perfected for when the Green Knights come in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2007, 12:21:07 PM
I'll chime in here also and say that it is still a bit early to declare Ripon as the favorite.  Don't get me wrong here, the big win on the road at IC was nice for the Redhawks; but at the same time, the only consistent thing IC has shown over recent years is consistently not living up to pre-season hype/expectations.  I know I've heard in some of the recent seasons how this looks like the year that they put it all together with their athletes and yet they always seem to manage finishing right around .500 for the schedule.  I really don't mean this to sound like I'm ripping on the Blueboys, but this seems to be a trend from looking at past seasons.  I think Ripon will get a good test this week from Carroll, a team that can obviously play some very good defense (will probably be the best that RC has seen thus far in the MWC)...should be the game of the week in the conference with 2 upper tier teams matching up.

scottie - Yes we know what you're tempted to write in there!  :D  Haven't heard much out of you on the football board...you exclusive to d3hoops now or what?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on September 24, 2007, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Duck Duck Goose on September 23, 2007, 12:11:37 AM
Overall responses to week four:

1) Once again holy crap Hawks.  I wasn't sure which way that game was going, but I thought it would be close at least.

2) Lawrence, I know the corn is scary, but losing to the I-Pi's?????? Good golly.

3) Monmouth's offense??????? I know Carroll can be stingy, but come on fellas.  Good thing their D is suffocationg.

Looking forward, and I know Scottie and Nubs fans will be up in arms, but is it too early to declare Ripon the favorite?  I know that everyone is gunning for SNC all the time, but its hard to be more impressive than RC was today.  I guess time will tell.........


Ill agree that it was an impressive win this past weekend which turned some heads, however Duck Duck, Consider the stats (for all teams) before you start throwing around Ripon as a Favorite. 

1- Early yet in conference play... lets start talking about this after midway through the season.

2-  Being a SNC fan I figured I'd throw some stats out there after this weekends game at Lake Forest in comparison to Ripons Win over Lake Forest.  Just something to think about.

Ripon Vs Lake Forest
Ripon Defense allows 27 pts on 468 yds of total offense.

Ripon Offense had 419 yds total offense.  269 yds rushing/ 150 receiving

SNC Vs Lake Forest

SNC Defense allows 6 pts on 149 yds of total offense.  65 yds rushing/84 yards passing.  47 seven of those yards were on the first series of the game.  SNC D holds them to only 102 yds total offense in the last 58 min of the game.

SNC offense had 424 total offense.  171 rushing and 253 receiving. 

Moral of the story... Offense wins games, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS....

Any thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2007, 03:28:49 PM
mwcSNC - Those are some telling numbers on both sides...however, you can't always put everything in comparing scores/yards against common opponents.  Example, I saw 3 high school games in the first 3 weeks of the season: Team A beat Team B 41-18, Team C beat Team A 22-21, so by comparing scores you would think that Team C should beat Team B but instead Team B turned around and beat Team C 30-15.  I know it's confusing with all the letters there, but I'm just saying that comparing results from one team to another isn't always going to pan out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on September 24, 2007, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 24, 2007, 03:28:49 PM
mwcSNC - Those are some telling numbers on both sides...however, you can't always put everything in comparing scores/yards against common opponents.  Example, I saw 3 high school games in the first 3 weeks of the season: Team A beat Team B 41-18, Team C beat Team A 22-21, so by comparing scores you would think that Team C should beat Team B but instead Team B turned around and beat Team C 30-15.  I know it's confusing with all the letters there, but I'm just saying that comparing results from one team to another isn't always going to pan out.

I understand what your saying, however... numbers dont lie.  I realize its only 3 weeks into the season.  If you read, i actually stated that to Duck Duck.  I simply put the stats out there, and let everyone else come to thier own conclusions. 

I applaud Ripon on thier win and look forward to seeing them up at Norberts for thier homecoming.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 24, 2007, 03:55:51 PM
Mav, I know what you are saying and that happens a fair amount.... in high school. It still happens in college DIII but no where near as much. I have to agree with mwcSNC (surprise, surprise). In this case the "D" numbers have a whole lot to tell. Yes, maybe we just matched up better with LF than RIP(on) did. :) Maybe LF had a lot of injured players for the SNC game. But we are still talking young men here. A lot can happen. Preparation is key to the critical games in the conference.

I was at the SNC - LF game. After LF took the opening kick and drove it to a touchdown, I was thinking something was a miss. After that the defense was smothering. Even when SNC turned it over deep in their own zone, LF lost yards the next 4 plays. Offense was very methodical and reliable for the most part. Running took until the 3rd quarter to wear down the LF D-line.

Looking forward to this Saturday and each one after.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on September 24, 2007, 06:16:01 PM
I think the key to SNC vs. Ripon will be:

*Taking care of the football
*Keeping their heads and fewest penalties

GO KNIGHTS ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on September 24, 2007, 09:48:06 PM
Couple things from the week. I know everyone is talking about the Ripon IC game, however, to me the biggest game was Carroll and Monmouth. Carroll seems to be playing very well, and should be a threat to upset the other teams that are undefeated. I look for them to take one of them out. They have a great corner, defense, and an offense that will only get better. Everyone can get on the Ripon/Norberts bangwagon, however, I believe they both have to play monmouth before then? not sure there, but I know they play near the end of the year. Thats a longgggg time. The Carroll Ripon game will be a huge game this week. If Carroll looses, they will be out of the championship race, if they win they are back in it. Here are my predictions for the week:

IC at Lawrence.. I think lawrence will put up a fight for a couple quarters, and Reed will be involved this week. Has there ever been a week where he didnt get a catch? He will be looking for vengence. IC big

knox at Norbs... no brainer... norbs

Grinnell at monmouth... no brainer.... monmouth

Lake Forest at Beloit... Lake Forest will pick up their first victory of the year behind solid play from their defense and QB.

Carroll at Ripon.... People are on the Ripon bandwagon. If they win this week like last, then I will join. However this may end up being a close matchup. I find myself leaning towards Carroll being the underdog.

PS. MWCSNC, Those stats dont say much to me because I think I read that Lake Forest got something like 3 onsides in a row? not sure though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 24, 2007, 11:06:30 PM
Hey, I know as well as anyone that SNC is ALWAYS the team to beat.  They've earned it.  And MC is the only team other than SNC to win a league title in the last four years, so they've earned their respect.  I was just blown away by the IC score, since I had really come to the conclusion that they may be this year's version of Monmouth in '04-'05 in terms of being a legit contender, especially after last year's 6-3 finish.  Remember last year when every one was on the Carroll bandwagon after a big 6-3 year?  (I know, I know Rogers got hurt take it easy).

Maybe this teaches us more about IC than it does RC.  IC has NEVER defended the Greatest Offense Ever DevisedTM well, and it showed again on Saturday.  Carroll certainly dragged Monmouth into a fight on Saturday, maybe I'm not giving them enough credit.  Probably will be a hard-fought game this coming week, I say we'll learn A LOT from the result.

Amazing how MC and SNC fans come out of the woodwork when a new poster says something like "Ripon MAY be the favorite" :) :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 25, 2007, 08:47:22 AM
Duck Duck- I agree with you that SNC is always the team to beat and Monmouth as a result of winning the title in 05' is prolly the second best team to beat.  I personally have been apart of the Carroll teams that put Norberts and Monmouth on the edge, but I cant say in my time there we ever beat them! 

Im giving Ripon respect for being a respectable team, 2 years ago at Carroll we blew them out and last year they edged us 21-14. (With Rogers Hurt) haha  But they are a good team and have many good athletes.  I think it is 100% wrong for many of you to be talking about SNC vs Ripon, Ripon first has to get threw Carroll! 

Carroll will be ready this week and expect another great game!  From my time at Carroll, Ripon was always one of our biggest rivals and over the years there has been some really good games!  I hate to bring up the past but my freshmen year at Carroll we werent very good but I remember shocking everyone and beating Ripon 13-9!

You are right the only thing that will tell the truth is the result!!!  I honestly think 21-14 Carroll wins with Rogers having a break out game to Josh Gould and the Carroll College Defense holding strong!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on September 25, 2007, 09:32:51 AM
Been on this board in the past putting in my two cents here and there, but i mostly read it to keep up with the MWC.

First, Norbets is the team to beat in the MWC - period. Monmouth looks to be a little down breaking in some younger talent this year. Ripon looks to be headed back to the power it once was (how do teams NOT stop their high school offense!?)

Second, Albatar (CCAlum23) being a Carroll alum myself would you PLEASE stop pumping your buddies up on here! Although it is good humor between some of us alums who do read this!

I'd like to make my picks for the week on here for the first time:

IC vs. Lawrence - the ole' blue boys win pretty easy up at the bowl.

LFC vs. Beliot - Beliot may play tough for a Qtr. but then LFC opens it up!

Grinnell vs. Monmouth - Monmouth takes it out on Grinnell for their problems last week!

Knox vs. SNC - Norberts puts up at least 60 in a cake walk.

and finally Carroll vs. Ripon - Ripon wins in a close 21-17 battle at that crap of a field the Hawks call home!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 25, 2007, 10:25:00 AM
1morefan- First of all I dont just put my friends down on here!!!!!  Josh Gould is a legitmate player who has a chance to keep playing after Carroll!  As a Carroll Alum you must not be a true Pioneer to pick Ripon beating Carroll? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Who are you? 


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on September 25, 2007, 10:28:44 AM
Quote from: bball312 on September 24, 2007, 09:48:06 PM

PS. MWCSNC, Those stats dont say much to me because I think I read that Lake Forest got something like 3 onsides in a row? not sure though.

In which game are you talking about.... Lake Forest Vs SNC?


CCALUM23...I understand that you think its wrong to talk about Ripon VS SNC.  No one should look past anyone in this conference.  However, i was simply just throwin stats out there and said i look forward to the matchup.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 25, 2007, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: Duck Duck Goose on September 24, 2007, 11:06:30 PM
Amazing how MC and SNC fans come out of the woodwork when a new poster says something like "Ripon MAY be the favorite" :) :D

Hey now Duck Duck, I'd like to think I'm on here fairly consistently and not just "coming out of the woodwork."  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 25, 2007, 11:04:49 AM
Maybe I am one that he refers to "coming out of the woodwork". I stated very early on that I am new to this and maybe have posted once a week or so this season. If that is coming out of the woodwork, then I am guilty. :)
One other item, you do not have to respect a team.....as long as you respect the players. I have a feeling that everyone on here understands what those young men give up to try to be the best they can in a very rough sport.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 25, 2007, 11:28:16 AM

CCALUM23...I understand that you think its wrong to talk about Ripon VS SNC.  No one should look past anyone in this conference.  However, i was simply just throwin stats out there and said i look forward to the matchup

MWCDAD- I know your looking forward to that game!  Im looking forward to many games as well, especially when Norberts comes to play at Carroll!  But this week is all about beating the Red Hawks!

SNCOLDAD-I agree with your statement about what young men give up to be there very best in a rough sport!  Theres not that many people out there to say they competed in college football and I think its extra special if you can stick with it for four years!  I think it says alot about your character and is a special honor!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on September 25, 2007, 01:44:22 PM
You guys crack me up.  Comparing numbers from one game to another.  Should we compare the number of first downs that Ripon had against IC?  Should we compare the fact that you take away 2 onside kicks against Lake Forest and those precious numbers don't mean a thing.  We can talk about all of this however what it comes down to against the Carroll Ripon game is that fact that it's home.  Even when I played at Ripon we always had a hard time winning at Carroll, but we have not lost to them at home.  I see Saturday being a bigger win than you think, plus its homecoming for the redhawks.  "Crappy Field" no question there, but its what makes home field advantage an advantage, the only thing is more injuries have accured to Ripon players than other teams. 

Now, don't get me wrong, Carroll has a good team, do I think that they are capable of beating Ripon?  Possibly anyone is capable of beating any given team any given day, if I was to bet on this game would I bet on Carroll, h*ll no!  It's not a smart bet. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWC_ALUM_07 on September 25, 2007, 03:02:48 PM
Knox @ St. Norberts...no contest for Green Knights (40 +)
Lake Forest @ Beloit...The Foresters by 21
Carroll @ Ripon...Close battle, D prevails, Pios by 3
IC @ Lawrence...Blue Boys by 14
Grinnell @ Monmouth...Scots pound I-Pios by 30 +

CCALUM23...Gould is a very good player but it is easy to tell that you just recently graduated because you know the current team so well and tend to favor your former teammates. Trust me that is not a bad thing, in fact it is good to hear. Keep the info coming.

1morefan...Even I know the rivalry between Carroll and Ripon and to see a pioneer alum pick the red hawks is very shocking to be honest. Did someone wish they were a red hawk???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 25, 2007, 04:29:58 PM
MWC_Alum_07-  Thank you very much for backing me up on that!   I do still know the team very well and yeah I may be a little bias of Carroll but I will try to be fair on here.  As recents grads I think we both have a good understanding of what teams are going to compete.  And I agree with all of your pics for week 5! 

1more fan who are you???????????Wishing to be a RedHawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on September 25, 2007, 05:58:42 PM
Without question, St. Norbert's is the team to beat.  Monmouth is second, and from there on the pot is mixed; I would think that Ripon, Carroll, and IC would be the next 3 who could compete.  Ripon has beaten 1 of those 2 soundly, but IC is a good team that I believe could still beat any of the other 4 teams mentioned.  Carroll at Ripon this week is the game to watch, is Ripon for real or is Carroll's defense that good?

I think Ripon will win a very close game
the other four games are not very interesting in my mind.
IC, Lake Forsest, Monmouth and St. Norbert's all win easily.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on September 25, 2007, 08:11:49 PM
Well, first off I want to say in no way shape or form have I ever wanted to be a red-hawk! I think Ripon is the team I despised the most in the conference, without the "classiest" program in the conference – loved having a Ripon coaches come on to the field and try to pick a fight with myself and another Carroll player at van male.

Secondly, I loved my experience playing at Carroll and had a great time with my teammates while there and wouldn't have wanted to go anywhere else. But I'm not a homer – I believe its going to be a great game and an extremely close game, I want Carroll to win this game and get revenge for last years loss on our HC! But here's the point; looking back at the Ripon Carroll games the home teams have done better (minus last season's loss on homecoming). The last time that Carroll beat Ripon at Ripon was back in 1992, the home teams have dominated this series. So that's why I decided to go with Ripon here.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on September 25, 2007, 11:18:59 PM
Norbs 56-0
Lake Forest 31-6
Ripon 21-10
IC 38-7
Monmouth 45-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 26, 2007, 12:15:23 AM
Alright, time to chime in with this week's picks, brought to all of us by the Waukesha County Department of Transportation, just get the road blocks out of the way so we can get to the stadium!!!

KC @ SNC - SNC rolls obviously, but remember they have not defended the Greatest Offensive System EverTM well, so I'll spot Knox a few.   SNC 49 KC 10.

LFC @ BC - Come on now Foresters, you're making my preseason statements look bad........      LFC 31 BC 7.

IC @ LU - While we have yet to obtain enough info about everyone in this league to make concrete statements, I know one we can feel pretty sure about.       IC 40 LU 13.

GC @ MC - I think MC will get into double digits in this one.  MC 45 GC 3.

CC @ RC - I've really gone back and forth on this one, not on who is going to win, but the score.  Carroll's D is a force, but so is Ripon's (Seriously, did you SEE that IC score?  Seriously?????!?!?!?!! :)), and the Greatest Offensive SystemTM will likely be running at full throttle.  RC is on a mission this year, and its unlikely that Carroll is the one to stop it.     RC 27 CC 13.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 26, 2007, 10:20:46 AM
Here our my Week 5 pic's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IC at Lawerance-  IC revenges on last weeks loss and beats Lawerance in the Banta Bowl!! IC Wins 35-7

Lake Forest at Beloit-  Battle of the unbeatens!!!  Beloit has no big play makers, LF pulls out there first win 24-7

Grinnell at Monmouth-  Alex Tanney earned some of my respect for a freshmen he is darn good, Monmouth rolls Grinnell 45-7!!!

Knox at St.Norberts-  Will Judd O'Connell make it 5 games with over 100 yards recieving????  Norberts rolls the Praire Fire 52-10!!!!

Game Of The Week!! Carroll at Ripon!!
2 years ago Carroll crushed RC, Last year Ripon edged the Pios, This year???????????
Last years game was pretty darn good besides a couple big plays Ripon had!  The key to Carroll beating RC is stopping Scott Perkins!  Last year he torn us up and this year they will key on him alot more!  Carroll defense is full of studs and they are talented and disciplined!  Carroll offense has many threats too!  Earlier this week I said Carroll wins 21-10!  Now that I have had time to think about it, I am still going with Carroll over Ripon but Im gonna say a higher scoring game!  CC WINS  31-27!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on September 26, 2007, 10:26:37 AM
Great to see some chatter on this site.Everyone with one loss or less is still alive in the
conference race.Everyone else is already playing for pride or at least a chance to knock someone  out of the race.I picked IC last week against Ripoon and boy was I wrong.I liked the hawks before the season but thought their D was a little suspect after the Lfc game.It looks like they have solved some problems on d with their showing at IC.I have not seen Carroll or Monmouth but it looks like both need some work on the O side of the ball.They will have to prove me wrong before I can count them as contenders.It's still early so some great game are still to be played. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on September 27, 2007, 08:39:06 AM
Beloit Fans:

Was forcing DeGeorge out really the right move?

Any signs of life at Bel Wah?

Certainly there is no sign of scoring or moving the ball.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on September 27, 2007, 02:41:15 PM
No. 23 Midwest Conference (MWC)
2006 non-conference record: 4-6 (One team went 0-1 in the playoffs)
Reasoning at the time of Kickoff ranking: Rarely competitive with good teams from other conferences.
2007 non-conference record so far: 2-7
What's been established so far in '07: The size of the MWC (10 teams) leaves little time (1 game each) for non-conference play, and it hasn't been good for the conference of late anyway.


Was wondering what everyones thoughts were on this??  What changes do you think we could make to help the MWC move up in the rankings?

I think the whole idea of not being able to make off campus recruit visits is a joke and never understood why that rule is in place to begin with.  I think it would only help the caliber of play with in the MWC.  The other rule I never got was not being able to have Spring Ball, like so many other conferences do.  What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2007, 03:33:56 PM
mwcSNC - I think, in general around here at least, you'll find most posters are with you on both of your points.  I know for me when I was in high school and had schools come visit me, despite not going there, I was still impressed by someone actually being able to come talk to me off campus.  However, I don't think that's as big a reason as not being able to have official and organized spring practices.  I think having the ability to do that would help out tremendously.  I know we've been round and round on this in season's past, but anyone else have some thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on September 27, 2007, 03:50:33 PM
mwcSNC- This is an issue that gets me fired up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I think its a horrible rule for our MWC coaches not being able to step into highschools and meet the recruits! It makes it much harder to get ur name out there!!!!  Also No spring ball is not right at all?  What is the problem with letting our teams go out there for a few weeks to get kinks out and prepare for the upcoming season!!!! 

Also, only playing 1 non-conference game is weak, it would be nice to get a couple games under your belt and get the kinks out before starting the conference season!!!! Look at Lawerance this year, I dont think they even started off with a non-conference game!!

Perfect example of how it should be is Carthage College who Carroll has opened up against the past 4 years!  Carthage has spring ball!!!!!!!!!  Carthage has 3 non-conference games! and Im sure Carthage can recruit in highschools!  It is frustrating because its almost unfair!  Were on 40 miles away yet they get to do all those things that we cant but need!  If we can get recruiting on campus, spring ball, and more non-conference games the MWC could be a power house!! But until then theres only a few teams who can compete with the better teams out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does any one agree with me?????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fmrredwarmer on September 27, 2007, 07:35:21 PM
Agreeing with you is obvious...but it won't happen anytime soon and the reasons suck.  The MWC presidents want to hold this conference out as a educationally elite conference like the Ivy league.  And even bigger than that is the additional manpower (COSTS) it would take to have off campus recruiting.  I believe Ripon only has 2 full time coaches.  When are they going to go off campus?  You would have to hire someone to teach there classes and hire someone to make the phone calls necessary to set up the off campus visits; not to mention the travel expenses.
Believe me I think off campus recruiting would be awesome in the MWC but it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Spring ball is a different story.  Baseball has fall ball, Basketball goes year round because it isn't that difficult to get together and work the skills.  Football could use the practice in the spring just to see who has worked hard over the winter and to experiment with new schemes without taking fall practice time when time is an issue.   

The costs involved are minimal if there are costs, the only issue is possibly taking away from academics; and as I mentioned earlier, the presidents see the MWC as an educationally elite conference and they will do nothing to dispel that view.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 27, 2007, 10:43:34 PM
Can't argue with the previous posts completely, especially the spring football, but off campus recruiting isn't going to turn the MWC into a powerhouse.

Maybe you get a handful of guys you wouldn't have each year, but aside from Grinnell, these are regional institutions for the most part and they are known as well as any other D3 schools in their region. The UW schools have a dragnet over most of the talent in the state (for a lot less $) and many likely have All-MWC players on their second and third strings.

I would like to see more non-conference games as well, but how do you draw up the schedule fairly? The team who misses St. Norbert enters with a huge advantage...do you add a title game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 27, 2007, 11:54:25 PM
Good discussion.

Re: recruiting off campus
Honestly, I don't see the reasoning behind not allowing coaches to recruit off-campus.  It seems like any additional visibility for the school would be a good thing.  I do wonder how much it would help improve the strength of MWC football, though.  Especially in Wisconsin, the UW-system schools are always going to be cheaper and more attractive to players who want to experience the "big time" such as it is in D3.  UW-Whitewater's recent run of national success has made the WIAC even stronger.

Re: spring football
Don't hold your breath.  The conference recently allowed spring sports to have some optional practices in the fall.  Still, there was a lot of concern that these practices would not be considered "optional" by the coaches.  Would players really feel free to skip a practice to attend a tutoring session or some other academic activity?
The reasoning for allowing spring sports to have fall practices was that it would help new students get involved with their team when they first got to school.  Since spring football would not even have this advantage, I don't see the MWC ever allowing it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 28, 2007, 12:29:22 AM
What the heck, I'm up late and procrastinating so I'll try to pick a few scores.

KC @ SNC - SNC caught look ahead to their showdown with MC next week, still manages to charge to a verdant victory, 21-10.

LFC @ BC - LFC caught looking ahead to their showdown with LU next week.  BC plunders a win 35-31.

GC @ MC - GC overconfident after overcoming LU juggernaut, MC bravely heartened to a 55-10 triumph.

CC @ RC - RC relieved to not be playing LU, soars to a 45-21 victory.

IC @ LU - MWC game of the week because....ummm....I'll be there!  LU deploys its secret weapon, the kicking game.  LU kicks 5 FGs including a 54-yarder with time running out to pillage a 15-14 upset.

OK, back to work for me..... :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2007, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 27, 2007, 10:43:34 PM
I would like to see more non-conference games as well, but how do you draw up the schedule fairly? The team who misses St. Norbert enters with a huge advantage...do you add a title game?


From 1983-1997, there used to be a title game.  Teams were able to play a couple non-MWC games, a couple crossover MWC games (north vs. south), and then the remainder of the schedule was against division opponents (and those were the only 5 games that counted towards your MWC record)...at least that's how Monmouth's schedule was, and of course that was easier when Coe and Cornell were still around to make each division an even 6 teams.  Another negative was teams were able to play only 9 regular season games rather than 10 because of the possibility of making it into the MWC championship game. 

Well, gotta pretend to work for awhile...will be back later to make my picks.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2007, 02:44:31 PM
Week 4 MWC Games:

Illinois College at Lawrence - IC, rebound from last week to win big in the Bowl
Carroll at Ripon - RC, Pio D showed they're tough but gonna go with the Hawks at home
Lake Forest at Beloit - LFC, Foresters finally pick up their first win
Grinnell at Monmouth - MC, Scots cruise in a tune-up for next weekend
Knox at St. Norbert - SNC, Knights roll in a tune-up for next weekend
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2007, 02:47:49 PM
I would like to comment on the topic of visiting off campus by coaches. As a freshman father I still remember some of the thoughts my son had. He was called, a lot, by almost every school in the MWC. All they wanted was for him to visit the school. At the time he was pretty set on another school in DII already but my wife and I convinced him to have a backup. We are from Illinois by the way. He looked at Illinois State and Northern Illinois but was not real enthused about either. Football season came and went and the calls were still coming in. He would not even consider anything south of us so Wisconsin or the U.P was where he wanted to go. He applied and was accepted to Carol but had not visited the campus yet. He talked to coaches when they called and he considered it his backup if he did not go to NMU. It was time to make a 2nd visit, this one official to NMU in February. I told him that SNC was right on the way. What if we go a day early and pay them a visit. At the end of the day he felt SNC was where he wanted to go. A portion of the decision was the campus and location, so he had to see that. But a portion was meeting the coaches face to face. They made him feel wanted, not just another piece of meat. I am sure other schools in the MWC has coaches that are the same as Coach Purtill and Coach Dewitt, but they did a real good job of "recruiting" once they had my son face to face.
So, do I think that the MWC allowing visits to recruit would improve the conference overall?  ABSOLUTELY! Some of these coaches know what it takes and I firmly believe that at least SNC would get 3 more GOOD players on each side of the ball each year if off-sites were allowed. As far as where they would come from, maybe you are right on the UW factor, but I bet you would get a lot more from Illinois.  I can't speak to other locations. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2007, 02:48:54 PM
Hey Mav, do you mean week 4?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2007, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2007, 02:48:54 PM
Hey Mav, do you mean week 4?

You got me SNCOLDAD! :P  Got it fixed now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2007, 01:46:20 AM
Quote from: rome on September 27, 2007, 08:39:06 AM
Beloit Fans:

Was forcing DeGeorge out really the right move?

Any signs of life at Bel Wah?

Certainly there is no sign of scoring or moving the ball.

I find it hard to believe that he was forced out as the man had been in coaching for nearly 40 years. Perhaps he just wanted to retire. Besides, if he was forced out I doubt he would still be seen at so many events.

Their upper classmen were all recruited for a running game yet they are now in a completely different scheme. I think that has influenced their performance. For example in the Carroll game they had 5 freshmen on the field at one time. It's hard to have success when you do that. They will get better but it may involve a step back.

I had lunch at Domenicos when I got to town Friday and for the first time in going there for over 30 years my pizza was cut in slices, not squares. This proves the universe is aligned properly for a Beloit win Saturday. You heard it here first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on September 29, 2007, 06:46:33 PM
Just got back from the Carroll Ripon game. This was a hell of a game! Ripon took the early lead, then Carroll came back, later to have ripon come within 2 with roughly 7 minutes to go in the game. Ripon had a shot at the win in the end, but came up short. Guys from both teams played well, Crocker had some good cut backs against ripons defense. It seemed that carroll kept trying to run outside but couldnt get outside of #11 for ripon. He seemed to cause problems for the big tight end for carroll. (however he did come back to get a td catch) #47 from both defenses played extremely well, along with 22 from carroll's secondary. This game seemed to be an equal match up, and was more defensive minded unless the ofenses got the ball in scoring range for their first play. Ripon is probably thinking what should have been when they missed an extra point, then later had to go for two. Carroll seemed to be happy with a small lead in the fourth and didnt attack. Overal, both teams are equally matched, and im interested to see if either can upset the powerhouses of the conference.

Great game!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 29, 2007, 07:35:13 PM
OK, I know it this time.  Congratulation to the LU Vikings on their first win of the season.  LU used a balanced offensive attack and a suffocating defense  to beat IC 22-18.  The play of the game was an interception returned for a touchdown by 275 lb. defensive lineman Jeremy Reider.  It was great to see the nifty footwork by the big guy.

After a rocky start to the season, this hopefully signals a turn-around.  A winning season is still possible!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2007, 07:51:08 PM
In a game in which neither defense could get off the field much Lake Forest topped Beloit 44-36. The wind may have influenced this one slightly as 77 of the 80 points were scored in the north end. Beloit connected on a 38 yard field goal at the south end to close the first half that may have been good from 39. Then opened the 4th quarter scoring with a school record 46 yarder that is still going I believe. Good from 60+ in any event.

Beloit may have had quicker scoring drives, jumping out to a 14-0 lead, but Lake Forest was able to move the chains with more consistency. Fun game to watch despite the lopsided score at one point. Would have been nice if Beloit had the time outs left at the end for one more chance but.

Not sure why Lake Forest put in a freshman QB up only two scores in the 4th, when they had not been able to do anything into the wind, but their starter did  return to finish the game. Does anyone know if this was injury related ??

Both teams recorded safeties on penalties so the defenses did get into the act on occasion.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on September 29, 2007, 09:21:24 PM
OK, some thoughts....

Carroll coming through with a HUGE win at the rockpile.  Wow, I guess they DID pack their lunch after all.  I can't wait to see CCAlum's post regarding this!!!!!!!

Congrats to Lawrence on their first win.  IC, um, what the heck?  I can't say I saw the GC beating LU, then LU beating IC sequence coming this year, but thats why they play the games.

Overall thoughts on the state of the conference race.  SNC and MC are on top as was expected going into their Uber showdown next week.  Carroll has shown both through this win and through their nail-biter against Monmouth that they are indeed a force to be reckoned with.  RC remains alive with consecutive showdowns against MC and SNC coming up after their game vs. Beloit (a win, I assume, though anythings possible in this year's wild and wacky MWC).

One more thing.  Can the mixed up nature of the MWC be interpreted as a sign of increased strength overall in the league?  A few years ago when I was in my prime it seemed much more uniform, i.e. Team A beats Team B, B beats C, and A crushes C.  Now things seem much more balanced.  Any Thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2007, 11:24:30 PM
The Main Event is coming so we will soon know who "A" is. After that point "B" through "J" wont' really matter.

"A" will then hit the road in the play-offs and prove once again how D3AA that MWC football is. I wish that aspect would change but football just doesn't seem to be a high priority in the MWC. Small enrollments and less than D3A facilities do make it difficult however.

Where fore art thou alumni donations................................





Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 01, 2007, 09:21:29 AM
Well NO one believed in CCAlum that Carroll could go up to Ripon on there homecoming and beat them!! 

Duck Duck- Carroll was very hungry on Saturday, they feasted on RedHawks!!!  But seriously it was a good game but Carroll is for real!!!

This week IC comes into Carroll's house and guess what? It's Carroll's Homecoming!!!!!!!  I am gonna tell you one thing its not gonna be pretty!  Carroll will roll over IC and be ready for St.Norberts at Home the next week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to that Carroll Alum that picked Ripon! What were you thinking?

1 game at a time Carroll will contend for the conference championship!!!!Keep it going PIO"S

All games went as predicted for last week except for IC losing to LU!!!! Man IC can play bad!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 01, 2007, 09:54:34 AM
CCAlum23 – your right should never have picked against the pios! Glade to see them get a big win up in ripon! Looking at the stats it looks like the game went back and forth.

Nice to see that the Offense moved the ball well and seemed to be pretty balanced:
Crocker – 178 rushing and a TD, Rogers – 114 passing throwing for one and running a TD!

A Little, well...shocked that LU went down to Jacksonville and beat the blue boys! Nice win for the Vikings

Really surprised that Beloit put up such a fight against LFC...was anyone there to give an insight?

Looks like Norberts and Monmouth were tuning up for their big game this weekend, any early thoughts on this one?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2007, 11:08:02 AM
Both St. Norbert and Monmouth did great jobs last week of taking care of business against Knox and Grinnell...and definitely not looking ahead to this week's game.  I'm looking forward to see how the match-up goes and expect to see a great game from both sides.  Just have to make it through the stinkin work week!  Want to see alot of Scots red at the game and be able to hear everyone nice and loud along with the bag pipes.  Gotta drown out the noise from the Knights fans; I doubt that there will be a ton of them on Saturday, plenty for sure, but not as many since it's a long road trip; but they're always gonna be loud...even if it isn't a large group. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 01, 2007, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: 1morefan on October 01, 2007, 09:54:34 AM
Really surprised that Beloit put up such a fight against LFC...was anyone there to give an insight?

Yes. See my next to last post, #2086, for the particulars.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 01, 2007, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 29, 2007, 01:46:20 AM
Quote from: rome on September 27, 2007, 08:39:06 AM
Beloit Fans:

Was forcing DeGeorge out really the right move?

Any signs of life at Bel Wah?

Certainly there is no sign of scoring or moving the ball.

I find it hard to believe that he was forced out as the man had been in coaching for nearly 40 years. Perhaps he just wanted to retire. Besides, if he was forced out I doubt he would still be seen at so many events.

Their upper classmen were all recruited for a running game yet they are now in a completely different scheme. I think that has influenced their performance. For example in the Carroll game they had 5 freshmen on the field at one time. It's hard to have success when you do that. They will get better but it may involve a step back.

I had lunch at Domenicos when I got to town Friday and for the first time in going there for over 30 years my pizza was cut in slices, not squares. This proves the universe is aligned properly for a Beloit win Saturday. You heard it here first.


Roop

We have had our disagreements in the past, but I will say this in regards to the DeGeorge situation--the man loves the school, and has a ton of class. The passion he has for the game rivals none. However, when the administration began to decide not to help him in the recruiting process--then the wheels were set in motion. He did what was best for the program and stepped aside.

When an institution wants to begin to win (especially at d3) it often can by simply allowing coaches to recruit and hiring more full-time people.

No institution can expect great results if it doesn't give their programs what others in the conference have. For example, if schools in your conference are bringing in 40-50 Freshmen each year, then you need to pony up, and make sure you are right in that ball park or you will lose your competitive edge.

Both Monmouth and SNC are committed in this regard, while Beloit in my opinion (at least in the last 10 years) is not.

And no, I am not saying lower standards, I am saying start treating it as an important aspect of your institution, and not a club sport.


Part II

In regards to the offense--the WVU spread is tough to run if you don't get great athletes year in and year out. Plus, I rather enjoyed Beloit running the wing-t/option--it was something people had to prepare for and only saw when they played the Bucs--giving Beloit an advantage.

I believe that if Beloit hired Denny Dieriex (sp.) the OC under DeGeorge Beloit would be moving in a better direction.

I mean what is the state of the program when you lose to Macalster?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on October 01, 2007, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: CCAlum23 on October 01, 2007, 09:21:29 AM
Well NO one believed in CCAlum that Carroll could go up to Ripon on there homecoming and beat them!! 

Duck Duck- Carroll was very hungry on Saturday, they feasted on RedHawks!!!  But seriously it was a good game but Carroll is for real!!!

This week IC comes into Carroll's house and guess what? It's Carroll's Homecoming!!!!!!!  I am gonna tell you one thing its not gonna be pretty!  Carroll will roll over IC and be ready for St.Norberts at Home the next week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to that Carroll Alum that picked Ripon! What were you thinking?

1 game at a time Carroll will contend for the conference championship!!!!Keep it going PIO"S

All games went as predicted for last week except for IC losing to LU!!!! Man IC can play bad!!!!

Hey CC Alum, congratulations to your alma mater on the big win, I really didn't think they had it in them.  Make sure however that you don't fall into the overconfidence trap!!!  By that I mean you, not Carroll, as heckling IC sounds a lot like me talking about Carroll's lunch after the Hawks laid the wood to IC.  Obviously I would expect the Wi-Pi's to win, but something in my bones tells me that we have not heard the last of IC.....

Speaking of that, to all the Blueboys out there, what the heck is going on ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 01, 2007, 03:16:49 PM
Duck Duck-  I agree that it can be a bad thing to be overconfident and too cocky!  Carroll understands its a 1 game season every week!  I do believe Carroll will lay the smack down on IC, but they cant under estimate them!!  Jennings can be a threat! but IC is a team that when things go wrong they usually have a snow ball effect!  There players will hell at eachother and they will commit dumb personal penalties!!!!

These next couple weeks will be a good indication of where teams will go!!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 01, 2007, 03:42:45 PM
rome,

If Ed DeGeorge stepped aside that's an entirely different issue than being "forced out". Personally I'll never believe the forced out theory but if it happened, it happened. We can always agree to disagree on that one.

In any event (not the destruction of the world mind you) I'm just glad to see that Beloit has finally acknowledged the fact that you can have successful athletic programs without sacrificing the akademik integrity of the skool. Personally I don't like the spread offense because you leave your defense on the field for too long. You either go 3 and out or score quickly, etc. Defense never has time to recover in either scenario. But, that's what Beloit is running now so I hope they make their version the best as is possible.

 





Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on October 01, 2007, 07:17:10 PM
ccalum23... i think your posts are hilarious. No offense, you werent the only person to pick carroll, many people that I have talked to said it would be a close game going either way. Also they didnt really "feast" on ripon. I think it is way to early to say they will contend for the championship because we all know norberts is coming around the corner and they have the best defense in the conference. Norberts and Monmouth are above the other teams in this conference for many reasons, and they both will be over carroll this yaer as well. Finally, I wasnt as impressed with the TE from Carroll as you are. I understand your overconfidence, and your friendly bias.. but thats just my opinion. But anyways, enough about talking about you... the games this week..

I will start with the easy games
Carroll will beat IC, specially with Jennings not being completely healthy, and carrolls defense is solid.

Ripon will beat beloit... This game might be closer than expected though

knox will beat grinnell....

lake forest will win their second in a row against lawrence..

Game of the week... Norberts against Monmouth. I think that Norberts will make a statement, and cody craig will have a huge day. Monmouths defense is fabulous, however, Norbs has way to many players.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on October 01, 2007, 09:36:08 PM
Jennings-

Does anyone have an update as to his injury/injuries?

Good luck to the Knights this weekend who need to stay focused 1 game at a time and will make the long road trip to Monmouth.  Hopefully the fans will pack up and make the trip as it should be a great game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 02, 2007, 12:49:52 PM
Alrighy fellow posters! Here is the guru's pick for the week!

Grinnell At Knox-  Both pretty poor teams, but I am going to go with Knox sneaking out with a victory! Knox wins 31-24

Lawerance At Lake Forest- Both with a big 1 game winning steak!!!!!!! I am thinking maybe Lake Forest can start playing a little better and maybe come out with a win at home! LF wins 24-17

Ripon at Beloit- Ripon great offense (tm) haha not last week!!!!! will come out with a big win at Beloit! Beloit is very young!  Ripon wins 35-7

IC at Carroll- Carroll will win big at home on there homecoming!! and the showdown will happen the following week when Norberts comes into town! This one is all Carroll 31-10!  Crocker for MVP- Hes 616 yards and 8 TD"S  in only 5 games.  Gould is a good tight end Bball and leads the team with catches.  Hamilton is a heck of saftey and my boy Winter is finally coming around and playing like a warrior!  I could keep going on and on, but Im sure you guys are all sick of me! But whatever I do what I want!

Game of the Week- St. Norberts at Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 02, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
Sorry I forgot to finish my Game of the Week Predictions!
Monmouth is a very tough team and will have the Home field advantage but for some reason St.Norberts may be too tough!  It all depends on how well Monmouth's D can stop Cody Craig and Judd O'Connell! 

I do think Alex Tanney is a very good QB for a Freshman and Monmouth has a real good kicker and decent Defense!  Basically its going to come down to who wants it more! Im gonna say Norberts wins 21-17!!! Gonna be close!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on October 02, 2007, 02:12:42 PM
ccalum23... chris im assuming, i understand your from carroll, and think they are the best team etc. However, gould may lead his team in catches, but i dont see his name in the top ten in catches for the conference, also I agree with hamilton. Kid is an absolute stud. No idea who winter is, havent ever hear of him, however, Crocker for MVP will almost be impossible to get. The reason why, Cody Craig. He may end up the qb of the best team in teh conference, and his number are already great so far. Crockers numbers are good, but compared to the running backs the past 2 years to lead this conference... they dont compare. (I mean Casey MEhan, and Dante Daniels. Not sure bout the spelling on both). I think most people will agree about the front runner for POY is Cody Craig. I think Cody will have an easier time against carroll's defense, tahn Crocker will with Norberts. Crocker struggled with Monmouth, and without a long run against ripon his numbers would have been around 3 yards a carry. (Granted they did wear down ripons run defense to get it)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 02, 2007, 03:27:39 PM
Bball- You are right my friend my name is Chris!  Now that you know who I am you should reveal who you are!

We have agreed on many things which makes me like you, but now on to the Cody Craig issue!  Cody Craig is a good QB and has great numbers as of right now!  17 td's and only 4 int's is great!  But Norberts hasnt really been challenged yet!  Norberts has a real tough stretch coming up with some really good defenses!!!!! Really GOOD!!!!!!!!! So lets wait 2 weeks and then we will have a better indication of where he will stand after playing Monmouth then Carroll!! (NOT TO MENTION THEY ARE BOTH AWAY GAMES!!!!!!) 

We did agree that Hamilton is a great player!  But how dont you know about Linebacker Jeremy Winter?????  He was a first team all-conference pick last year and led the conference in sacks and tfl!!! He played awesome at Ripon and he will continue too!  I understand Gould isnt in the top 10 in receiving but if you look at the stats Carroll hasnt been passing much because many teams cant stop are run!!!

Any thoughts???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 02, 2007, 08:36:02 PM
Hello All,

New 1st time poster on the site..... Impressed with the knowledgable Midwest Conference football Discussion on the blog.....

With that in mind it is obveous from the name that I am a Carroll fan with Alumni ties. With that in mind, I have a few comments

First- I know first hand that Hamilton is a tallented player.  Great speed and smart in coverage.... Sees the field well and is a constant return threat (not exactly Hester but he can bring it)

Second - I am excited to go up there this weekend for homecomming to see my first game based on how well the D-fense has played.  Linde and this sophmore Zeh have sounded impressive on the radio.

Third - The quarterback play has been outstanding but I also wonder how he will respond to a road environment against he best D-Fenses in the leauge.

Finally - new poster so new to the system, any and all comments appreciated 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 02, 2007, 08:40:10 PM
Note to clarify:

The quarterback play I was refering to in my 3rd point was that of Codi Craig who has put up some impressive numbers
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2007, 08:40:17 PM
Welcome aboard.

But this is a message board. Our blog is here:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 02, 2007, 09:32:14 PM
my picks...

at Carroll 27, Illinois College 13 - IC cant run and certainly cant run on Carroll, so CC could pick off 5 or 6 passes, but they seem to lack the killer instinct, so this one looks closer than it is

Grinnell 45, at Knox 42 - Pios win a shootout

Lawrence 21 at Lake Forest 15 - Tough call here, the LU pass defense was atrocious for three weeks and then shutdown Jennings and IC.

Ripon 49, at Beloit  6 - Bucs young defense will be in trouble against Ripon's offense.

St. Norbert 36 at Monmouth 17 - I think Monmouth stays within a touchdown for three quarters, but things slip away late. St. Norbert isn't as dominant on the road and I would think Monmouth has too much pride to get embarrassed again like they did a year ago.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 03, 2007, 10:08:09 AM
Quote from: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 02, 2007, 08:36:02 PM
Finally - new poster so new to the system, any and all comments appreciated 

Based on what you said my first guess was that you married a Carroll grad. "Alumni ties" etc. Then I re-read it and noticed the spelling errors so it's obvious that you went there yourself. Yuck yuck yuck....................  :D

Welcome aboard and have a nice trip up from the Chicagoland area this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 03, 2007, 03:13:10 PM
Spelling errors are one of my trademarks.....

My Carroll degree got me into law school.....

And... Not only am I a Carroll alum, I am an alum of the Football Program....

With that in mind.... I am headed up from Chicago to see the game so they better make it worth my while.  The question to the message board is if Carroll's defense and rushing attack  has really thrown their hat in the ring as a dark horse candidate to win this thing, or are they just getting my hopes up?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 03, 2007, 04:40:59 PM
And apparently I can't read either.....

Roop you were wishing me a nice trip FROM Chicago..... which for some reason I interpreted to mean have a good time coming to Chicago (which puzzled me because it made absolutely no sense).......

Wow I am 2 for 2 on this msg Board....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on October 03, 2007, 10:56:13 PM
Time for this weeks picks, but I don't know why I bother making them cause I claearly don't know anything about this league.

IC @ CC - trap trap trap TRAP TRAP TRAP TRAP LETDOWN LETDOWN LETDOWN LETDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That being said IC lost to Lawrence.  CC 30 IC 20.

GC @ KC - The U.S News and World Weekly Showdown, and I have to go with the greatest offensive system ever devisedTM.  KC 28 GC 21.

LU @ LFC - OK LFC I give up.  Lawrence may have found their chi, and are really getting after it defensively.  My gut says Larry but my head says.......LFC 24 LU 21.

RC @ BC - For the life of me I can't understand Beloit's offensive philosophy.  You have a smaller roster and less overall talent, why not recruit for a specific thing (Wishbone/Wing-T) and sneak up on teams by shortening the game through a powerful rushing attack?  Playing the spread only exposes your weaknesses.  However, they did put up some points on the Bear Paws, so maybe.........NO.  RC 42 BC 10.

SNC @ MC - All of these other games just to get to this one.  Every year, the talk is that SNC is vunerable, they've struggled with teams they don't usually struggle with, blah blah blah, yet they've only been toppled as champs ONCE in the last 5 years.  The offense is clicking, the D is stellar, what else do you need?  MC makes it a fight, but in the end there's just too much to overcome.  SNC 30 MC 17.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on October 04, 2007, 11:22:27 AM
Week 6 Preview

http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=1939
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 04, 2007, 11:33:27 AM
Wow, glade to see all the Carroll Alum's coming out of the wood work on D3! Look forward to seeing everyone at the game; here we go with my picks for this week's MWC contests:

IC vs. Carroll – I like Carroll, the homecoming crowed will be rocking at Schneider and if Jennings is out like reported/speculated I like the Pioneers chances even better.  Although it could be closer if he does infact play! Carroll 24 - 7. With Jennings 28 - 20.

Grinnell vs. Knox – This one is a complete coin toss, first one here who gets any kind of momentum going. I'll go with the prairie fire here 17 - 14.

LU vs. LFC – After the offensive explosion by the vikes I really want to pick them here, but LFC just makes more sense here. So LFC 28-17.

Ripon vs. Beloit – Ripon in a run away, I agree with who ever mentioned the idea of Beloit having to choose between the Wing-T or the Spread, the Buccs can't have the best of both worlds! 35 - 3.

The Grand Daddy of them all this weekend, Norberts vs. Monmouth. Like the fact that the Scouts have the home field advantage here, but with their youth will they be like a deer in the head lights or will they take it to Norberts right away, and could the game come down to a Nate Palkovic FG? Which ever way it goes ultimately I think the Cody Craig to Judd O'Connell connection proves to be too much for the Scouts. Norberts wins 35-20.

Safe traveling to all those attending the games this weekend!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 04, 2007, 03:47:43 PM
Who in the world are the "Scouts"?  Is this a team similar to the "Chefs" from that old TV commercial?  ;)  Glad to see so much chatter picking up on the board as the season moves along.  Picks to come sometime tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 04, 2007, 04:13:30 PM
Well as you can see our Carroll educations have really gotten us far, we can't spell a single word! I believe the "scouts" are Scots, my apologies to Monmouth!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 04, 2007, 10:21:35 PM
Speling is ovur raited......

With that in mind, here is my first shot at picks.... (no need to be long winded)

IC v. Carroll – Carroll Big.  Carroll homecoming will be special.  Defense is too much and Crocker will grind it out.  28 -14 (Game not as close as the score)

Grinnell v. Knox – Picking the other Pioneers as well.  Same old song and dance from Knox.  They play hard but there is no direction (or at least I hear).  21 -10

LU v. LFC – Lake Forest falls through the trap door and LU comes away with a win 28-21

Ripon v. Beloit – Ripon even looked bad on the radio last week...... however it is no secret on this board the lack of direction up at Beloit.   41 -14 Ripon

The Big Game – St. Norbert does so many things well.  Cody Craig the toast of the town up there in De Pierre and it is well deserved.  The numbers also don't lie in regards to their solid defensive play as well..... NOT SO FAST..... Because it is probably the only way for Carroll to creep up and take the thing I take the SCOUTS  35-28. 

Echo the sentiments of safe travels to those going to watch some solid D3 football (better than watching any of the D1 games on this week on T.V.) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2007, 08:48:40 AM
I don't think Beloit lacks direction they just lack the horses for their new offense. I'm not a fan of the spread either but the wing T won them exactly 0 conference championships so it's worth trying something new. I'm not predicting a win this week but Ripon did lose the last time in Beloit and they have been known to play down to the competition from time to time.

I'd like to be there but won't be able to make it, which is probably a good thing. I had forgotten how cheap it is to drink in Beloit, etc. For those that will be attending I recommend JAKS (the old Machinist Lodge) in South Beloit after the game. The staff is NRO approved ;) and their burgers rival the Wooden Nickels. It's on S. Park Ave, top of the hill on the left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 05, 2007, 01:19:59 PM
Week 5 MWC Games:

Illinois College at Carroll - CC, Blueboys continue their downhill slide
Grinnell at Knox - KC, Fire win a close one over the I-Pios
Lawrence at Lake Forest - LFC, Foresters get second consecutive win in a tight one
St. Norbert at Monmouth - MC, very closely contested game and the Scots D leads the way in knocking off the Knights (really can't wait to see this match-up tomorrow afternoon!)
Ripon at Beloit - RC, Redhawks roll in a big way
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2007, 01:49:19 PM
I realize Beloits chances are not particularly good but lets not continually throw them under the bus. How about a 38-24 pick from somebody ??

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2007, 04:45:01 PM
Maverick, talk to me. Are you going to be there? Let me know now. I want you to stop by at the tailgating. Especially since you pick Monmouth!   :) I would like to meet you. Black Avalanche. Brats and Hotdogs on me.

SNC 38
Monmouth 21 (the last TD for Monmouth is after replacements are in the game)

Yes I am biased. Yes, I want the replacements in.

Go KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 05, 2007, 09:31:15 PM
Ripon 38, Beloit 24....that was for you Roop

In all seriousness, the team seems to be improving and is playing a lot of young guys. I wouldnt be surprised if they made some strides and won some games down the stretch and surprised in some other games
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 06, 2007, 05:19:37 AM
Thanks FT2006. I'll always respect Coach Branns commitment to the new offense until it is proven that it can't work and that will take a couple more years. Last year it would have been very easy to stack the backfield and give it to Rankinen 100 times so he could break the rushing record, yet he stuck with the system and that's commendable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 06, 2007, 01:11:48 PM
Getting my picks in right before the buzzer.....

IC vs. CC - CC circles the wagons, wins 34-10

GC vs. KC - Other Pios caught in a plains conflagration, KC 34-21

RC vs. BC - RC claws another victim, 42-6

SNC vs. MC - MC eats haggis for breakfast, uses bad breath to shock the boys from De Pere, 28-24

LU vs. LFC - LU on a roll after big win last week, uses revitalized offense and big play defense to coast over LFC 28-10
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 06, 2007, 03:10:42 PM
SCORE UPDATE

End of First quarter.

SNC 14      Scots 0

105 yd interception for touchdown by Green Knights Defense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 06, 2007, 03:58:08 PM
At the end of the first half...

SNC 21  To SCOTS 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 06, 2007, 05:01:00 PM
Going into the fourth...

SNC - 35  the Scots - 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 06, 2007, 07:08:09 PM
FINAL...

SNC - 42 the Scots 28

Great game.... Great effort Scots...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 06, 2007, 08:52:22 PM
Since it still only counts as one loss either way I'm going to pretend that Ripon hit a last second field goal to win 17-14.

Why embarrass the 1st team defense by leaving them in the entire game and what was the purpose of an on side kick down 56-9 with under a minute left. Did Beloit think they would recover 6 more and win the game in the final 55 seconds ?? I was going to complain about Ripon maybe not subbing a little sooner but when you try an on side kick in that situation you deserve to get beat 56-9.

Before it got out of hand Ripon converted a 4th down after a mishandled snap. That was a sign of things to come. Then after Beloit finally found the end zone late in the game they missed the P.A.T., why not..................

MWCTV needs to add a blow out feature as I wouldn't have minded if they took me to another game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on October 06, 2007, 09:25:34 PM
Monmouth vs. St. Norbert On MWCTV 
The Midwest Conference would like to apologize to the viewers of the St. Norbert-Monmouth football game this past Saturday afternoon. While the first half video and audio went fine, viewers in the second half experienced problems with the picture and after several attempts to correct the problem the webcast was subsequently cancelled. You were not billed for the game even though you were able to watch the first half uninterrupted. We want to assure you that these are isolated issues and in our inaugural season of football we are making sure these are one-time occurrences. We invite you back to future games this season and encourage you to contact the Midwest Conference with any further concerns. Thank you for your understanding.

Please feel free to contact us at webmaster@midwestconference.org

Title: Go Knights
Post by: qbfan413 on October 07, 2007, 12:39:32 AM
 ::)Great job Knights in getting the job done, especially on the road.  Stay focused and do another great job preparing for Carroll next weekend.  Thanks to the fans who also made the long trip down, over, etc. to Monmouth.

Go Knights!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2007, 09:06:58 AM
Well the MWC has had their showdown game so it's all St. Norberts for the taking. Or is it.............. Despite the fact that they were not figured to contend, Ripon actually controls their own destiny. Unfortunately for them they now have the "Scouts" coming in and then they go to Nubs for a game that could determine the Championship. If the Hawks win out they will have the necessary head to head tie breakers in their favor.

Typically a Monmouth-St. Norbert game determines the conference but not so fast this year. Head to head tie breakers are meaningless in the event of a 3 or 4 way tie, so the conference officials may need to brush up on the tie breaking criteria.

I still won't say that there is parody in the league this year because the top teams are still well above the bottom teams. With IC being the team in the middle that can win or lose at any given time. You can probably put Lake Forest in that category as well but their slow start has already doomed them.

We could have a two loss champ this year as I'm sure that Carroll will continue to make noise.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on October 07, 2007, 11:27:47 AM
Some thoughts on Week Six

Carroll continues to roll, though I think something needs to be said.  As I was looking for scores last night (MWC.com was a little late in posting) I visited Carroll's website and read Benny's blog following the Ripon win, and came away thinking that someone has to stop him from saying things like "We'll try not to make the next few games so close for y'all" and stuff like that.  Here I was ready to jump on the Wi-Pi bandwagon, and now I hate Carroll again.  Ugh.  I'll say this, with the Green Machine coming in next week, the game may not be close.......:)

Beloit.......Ouch.  I guess Ripon was ready to recover from their lackluster showing the previous week.

Another fun week in the MWC is in store with the first true elimination game between MC and RC, as well as a monster showdown between CC and SNC.  As much as I'd like to believe it, there's NO way the Knights are going to lose two games.  Its just not going to happen, even though Carroll and Ripon are CAPABLE of beating them.  This means the Scot-Hawk loser can start re-adjusting their expectations for the year. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 07, 2007, 12:37:12 PM
Monmouth just couldnt establish the running game and that doomed them. Alex Tanney played really well but he had alot of pressure on him. There is no reason why a MC quarterback should be throwing the ball 56 times in a game. Once again we put ourselves in too many obvious passing downs.

It was a great game by both teams. I thought that Norbert was going to beat us worse, but we hung in and were one or two plays away from winning the basketball game.

Good luck next week Scotties!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 07, 2007, 02:04:46 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 07, 2007, 09:06:58 AM
Well the MWC has had their showdown game so it's all St. Norberts for the taking. Or is it.............. Despite the fact that they were not figured to contend, Ripon actually controls their own destiny. Unfortunately for them they now have the "Scouts" coming in and then they go to Nubs for a game that could determine the Championship. If the Hawks win out they will have the necessary head to head tie breakers in their favor.

Typically a Monmouth-St. Norbert game determines the conference but not so fast this year. Head to head tie breakers are meaningless in the event of a 3 or 4 way tie, so the conference officials may need to brush up on the tie breaking criteria.

I still won't say that there is parody in the league this year because the top teams are still well above the bottom teams. With IC being the team in the middle that can win or lose at any given time. You can probably put Lake Forest in that category as well but their slow start has already doomed them.

We could have a two loss champ this year as I'm sure that Carroll will continue to make noise.

Ripon doesn't control their own destiny. If both them and Carroll win out Carroll will win the tie-breaker due to the head-to-head win. The only team that currently controls their own destiny is St. Norbert.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2007, 06:09:27 PM
Yes, I understand that. There are a lot of "ifs" this year, that's why I said there may be a 3 or 4 way tie. Then what "if" ?? I wasn't ruling Carroll out in my last post, nor was I crowning anyone as Champion. Lots of football to go and anything may happen.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2007, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2007, 04:45:01 PM
Maverick, talk to me. Are you going to be there? Let me know now. I want you to stop by at the tailgating. Especially since you pick Monmouth!   :) I would like to meet you. Black Avalanche. Brats and Hotdogs on me.

SNC 38
Monmouth 21 (the last TD for Monmouth is after replacements are in the game)

Yes I am biased. Yes, I want the replacements in.

Go KNIGHTS

SNCOLDAD - Sorry I never got back to you on here.  This is the first time I've been on the boards since I made my week 5 picks at lunch time on Friday and it's 5 pm on Sunday right now.  Had I seen your message prior to the game I would've made an effort to stop by your tailgating and meet you.  I was at the game, standing along the fence at the south end of the field near the scoreboard.  Thought the game was pretty evenly matched as both teams were able to move the ball, but SNC was more consistent in their drives and it made the difference in the game.  SNC was 8-16 on 3rd down conversions and MC was just 3-17 and were also stopped on a pair of 4th down attempts inside the Green Knight 40-yard line--both of which resulted in TD's on the ensuing SNC drives.  If the Scots could've been more consistent and finished off those drives, and not had the 100-yard int. return for a TD early in the game, the outcome could've possibly been different.  But SNC was able to make plays when they needed them and that's a mark of a good team, so my hat's off to them for doing what was necessary to pull out the road win.

Congrats to the Scots on fighting all game long and hanging in there against a good team.  Learn from this one and use that knowledge in the future.

Upcoming week is very big with a pair of good games in Wisconsin, MC @ RC and SNC @ CC.  Should be alot of fun chatter on here as the week moves along towards Saturday!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2007, 12:02:49 PM
Maverick, I understand. I just checked the board late last night myself.
But I do have to comment on the SNC MC game Saturday. My hats off to ALL who were on the sidelines and in the stands. It was brutal. No wind to speak of. Humidity and temps were ridiculous at any time no less October.
The game itself was hard fought. It appeared that one side was loosing their composure a little but that can happen from time to time. Over all a good match up. When MC tied the score at 21, I have to admit to being a little nervous. MC has a highly regarded defense from what I have been reading on this board. But then it happened. SNC got it in high gear and reeled off 3 TD's in a row to put the game away.

I think that in this game SNC proved themselves big. MC having home field and not have the travel time or hotel stay to contend with.

But I will also state that I will be nervous the next 3 years against MC. The freshman QB for MC proved himself in my mind. He will be a force for all the MWC to watch out for over the next 3 seasons.

On to Carroll this Saturday. Any tailgaters out there? What are the facilities like for visitors to tailgate at Carroll. Thanks for any feedback.

And yes I am bias and a proud father. And that is the way it should be. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 08, 2007, 02:58:59 PM
Just like the guru ;D expected all of my pics were right again!  Carroll looking good again and ready for the Green Knights to roll into "The Sha" this weekend!  Believe me Carroll will be ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last time the Green Knights came into "The Sha" the Pio's took it to them! Yes, they did win by a point in a last minute come back but Carroll has always played tough at home!

We have some very good match ups this weekend which will help determine which directions teams are going!  Im excited!

Duck Duck- I dont appreciate you hating on my cousin Benny!!  His blogs are hilarious and he is a beast (Not to mention his big cousin is too! ;D) 

What are people thinking about this week?

Oh yeah SNCOLDAD there is always tons of tailgaiting at Carroll, and there is decent room for your fans too! But one rule No Kegs!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 08, 2007, 03:30:39 PM
CCALUM23

Is there still that parking lot at the top of the hill above the endzone.  Can you tailgate up there?

IF so,  SNCOLDAD that is a good place to go.  Unless CCALUM23 can suggest any other places.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2007, 03:36:06 PM
CCAlum, First trip to CC and their field. Which parking lot is preferred for tailgating? I will honor the keg rule even though I find it hard to believe that a rule like that exists in Wisconsin.  :)

So CCAlum23, are you picking Carroll over St. Norbert? You seem to be beating around the bush here. Hmmm???

;D I just hope th weather will NOT be like it was in Monmouth this past Saturday.  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 08, 2007, 03:57:35 PM
MWCDAD & SNCOLDAD- Yes, I do believe you can still tailgate on the hill parking lot which overlooks the field! 

And SNCOLDAD you must be crazy if you think I am going to pick St.Norberts to beat Carroll!  Its my b-day Saturday and I think Carroll will suprise everyone with a win!!!! I do have respect for St.Norberts but the guys know how important this game is! (For them and the program)  Carroll's defense if tough! Carroll wins!!!!!!!!!!!! and Carroll's facilities and field are the best in the conference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 08, 2007, 04:07:00 PM
whoah buddy.... no kids for me.

its mwcSNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 08, 2007, 04:17:44 PM
mwcSNC-  I apolize for this mistake!!!!!  You going to make the game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 08, 2007, 08:00:29 PM
Ill def will be making the game.  Usually get to the games around 11:30 or 12pm.  Just enough time to tip back a few before the game.

It goes without question, im sure you wouldnt miss it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on October 08, 2007, 11:42:41 PM
There has been a lot of talk this year about the games, how bout we talk about the best players in the conference at the positions. I will talk abotu the oline/dline/backers/secondary as a unit for each team. What does everyone think? Here is what i think:

QB: Cody Craig, easy answer.... however, Tanney showed a lot this past week against Norbs. Jennings seems to struggle against the good teams.

RB: Bryce Crocker is leading the conference in rushing, Scott Perkins is more of a fullback, but those two are very talented. I believe the back from Norberts, AJ, is a terrific back as well.

O line: St Norberts, Carroll. I would think about Ripon's, however, they run the ball 90% of the time.

D Line: This is a close one to me, and I would go with Monmouths. They always seem to be a tough defense, along with norbs, but monmouth is my pick here.

Backers: Same as dline, with norbs/monmouth. However Carroll seems to have some good backers as well.

Secondary: To me, Ripon has the best. They have two first team all conferece safety's back in Kellet and Kraemer. There corners are young, but Their FS has come into his own this year. Issac Hamilton alone carries Carroll.

WRs: IC has terrific recievers, and Cody Craig has some studs in his basket as well.

What do you guys all think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 09, 2007, 08:58:51 AM
Quote from: bball312 on October 08, 2007, 11:42:41 PM
O line: St Norberts, Carroll. I would think about Ripon's, however, they run the ball 90% of the time.

It kills me as a Beloit fan to say this but maybe Ripon runs it 90% of the time because their line is so good. Why get fancy if you don't have to ?? Here it is stop it, etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 09, 2007, 11:15:39 AM
I beg to differ!!!!  I dont think Ripon's line is that impressive!!  Obviously there going to run the ball because thats all there boring offense does!!!  Although as a Linebacker I loved playing Ripon because more action for us!  Carroll's and Norberts line is definately tougher!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 10, 2007, 09:14:15 AM
No need to beg as I've differed, free of charge, with pretty much everybody that has posted long enough.  ;D

I haven't seen Carroll or Norberts (and won't have a convenient chance) so I can't proclaim anybody to have the best line. All I was saying is that Ripon has a very good one. Would be interesting to see how they faired in a down pour however. I'm sure they could still run it up the middle but if the backs can't make clean cuts it's hard to gain the corners.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 10, 2007, 11:40:33 AM
I would have to say that the rankings posted have been pretty much spot on.  However, I do have a few minor tweeks


Defensive Backs:  Not to be a homer yet again, but I would have to say that Carroll's DB's deserve a little more credit.  First, While Issac Hamilton is in my opinion hands down the most gifted athlete playing D Back in the conference, there are players around him.  Brock Linde was named to the D3football.com national team of the week already and John Cosrow is a three year starter whos numbers are not astronomical becuase of his strong one on one ability (limiting throws to his side)

Offensive Line:  Here is where I will flip the switch and go against the Pioneers.  Carroll's rushing numbers are outstanding.  However, I think it has more to do with having the most tallanted rusher in the backfield and not the play op front.  I am not saying they haven't played well, but I think it is more of a case of playing over their heads.  It will be interesting to see how good the Norbert O-Line truely is this weekend, however, they have the size and their record shows that they may be best.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 10, 2007, 10:25:14 PM
What does Carroll nation think about their wide receiver's letter?

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2007/Falcons+back+on+soaring+path

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on October 10, 2007, 10:39:58 PM
once a pio... I understand your bias towards Carroll.. However this is why, in my opinion, their secondary isnt the best. They have played 3 good teams so far, carthage/monmouth/ripon. We can basically throw out ripon, due to the fact of their offense. In the Carthage/monmouth games, specially the carthage game (Which i was at) the secondary got torched. Now they didnt have terrible stats against monmouth, but Tanney for monmouth was very effective. Hamilton is a terrific dback, however, as a secondary I dont think they are the best. Those are my thoughts. However, the O line play can def be debated with multiple teams throughout the conference, I just wanted to hear people's throughts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 11, 2007, 10:08:50 AM
Bball- It comes down to Carroll's DB's are talented!  This week will be a good test for them. 

For such a big week chatter on here has been very poor!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is everyone thinking about the games this week?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2007, 10:42:24 AM
mwcSNC, You got mail.

I am not going to state my list of best this or best that. #1 you should know who I would pick for best O-Line.  :D  But I am just a little biased. #2 I have not seen all the teams yet. I will by the end of the year and should have a pretty good idea of where different positions stand.

Picks for this week:
IC over Beloit - More than 2 TDs
Monmouth at Ripon - I want to say Monmouth will bounce back but I have a strange feeling about this game. To keep it interesting, I'll go Ripon! (I think)
Lake Forest at Grinell - LF is improved and will win by 10
Knox at Lawrence - Knox

Is there one more game? Oh Yeah.
St. Norbert (without an "s" at the end) at Carroll - Good luck to both teams. Oh, St. Norbert, of course. How could I say otherwise.  ::)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on October 11, 2007, 12:41:03 PM
Hey 312,
How many teams have you seen?If you are basing your picks on guys that make the all conference team you better get out and see some games.That all conference team is a popularity contest among the coaches.It is not a true barometer of talent.
Its easy to say one O-line is better than the other based on how good the O is for that team but there are some very talented kids playing for bad or so-so teams.If you haven't seen them play it's hard to say how good they really are.I have seen alot of very good players on some very bad teams and some good players that look a lot better because of the guys and team they play for.You might be the best wide out in the league but if you play for Knox or Ripon you may only get the ball 3-4 times a game.If you play for IC or LFC they might throw your way 10 times.My point is the most talented guys might not have the best stats in the league.I've been watching MWC games for 5 years now and some of the best players I've seen did not make that all conference team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWC_ALUM_07 on October 11, 2007, 01:44:24 PM
It looks to be a great week in the MWC...


The position units...

QB's - goes to St. Norbert and in second is Monmouth and Carroll
RB's - Carroll #1 and in second is Norbert
WR's - Norbert and IC
OL - Norbert and Ripon (Carroll is low on my list except for Guard Corey Drake)
DL - Monmouth and Carroll
LB - Carroll and Norbert
DB - Norbert #1 and Carroll/Monmouth #2

For this week...UPSET WEEK

Beloit over IC - IC keeps the skid going (upset 1)
Monmouth at Ripon - I am taking the home team Ripon (upset 2)
Lake Forest at Grinell - LF by 14
Knox at Lawrence - Lawrence by 3
St. Norbert at Carroll - 28-24 Pioneers (upset #3)
     *I will be there tailgaiting with the best of them!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 11, 2007, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: MWC_ALUM_07 on October 11, 2007, 01:44:24 PM
It looks to be a great week in the MWC...


The position units...

QB's - goes to St. Norbert and in second is Monmouth and Carroll
RB's - Carroll #1 and in second is Norbert
WR's - Norbert and IC
OL - Norbert and Ripon (Carroll is low on my list except for Guard Corey Drake)
DL - Monmouth and Carroll
LB - Carroll and Norbert
DB - Norbert #1 and Carroll/Monmouth #2

For this week...UPSET WEEK

Beloit over IC - IC keeps the skid going (upset 1)
Monmouth at Ripon - I am taking the home team Ripon (upset 2)
Lake Forest at Grinell - LF by 14
Knox at Lawrence - Lawrence by 3
St. Norbert at Carroll - 28-24 Pioneers (upset #3)
     *I will be there tailgaiting with the best of them!



MWC... those are some interesting upsets.  We obviously know that I will disagree with the SNC/Carrol game.  But I would like to hear your thoughts/reasonings behind not only the SNC/Carrol game, but also Belot/IC and Monmouth/Ripon game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 11, 2007, 03:37:43 PM
GURU TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY week 7 pics............

Beloit at IC-  Even though Jennings is out for the year IC will still win! There recievers are talented and there back up is ok. 27-10

Lake Forest at Grinnell:  Lake Forest will make it 3 in row and beat Grinnell out in the corn fields.  31-21

Knox at Lawrence- Knox is coming off a big win last week, this one might be close but Knox should win.  Knox wins 24-17

Monmouth at Ripon-  I wanna say Ripon can do it but something tells me Monmouth will win!  After a 405 yard game by Alex Tanney what will he do against a decent Ripon Secondary?  Monmouth wins 21-14

GAME OF THE WEEK
St. Norbert at Carroll-  This is Carroll's dream to beat Norberts at home for first place!  Carroll has respect for Norberts but this has been a good week of practice and they will be prepared to play on Saturday!  Carroll wins 24-17!!!!!!  Crocker will rack up the yards on the ground and Rogers will pick apart the defense.  I know St. Norberts has many weapons and a team not to take lightly!!!! This will be a fun game to watch!!!

MWC alum- You are right on many of your pics!  You are right Drake is a great O-lineman!  Who did you play for last year?????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWC_ALUM_07 on October 11, 2007, 05:27:32 PM
Carroll / St. Norbert Game
I went with Carroll on this one because of a few things. The fact that Carroll is at home is more of a factor than one may think. Remember back 2 years ago with then weaker Carroll team who was playing at home vs the green knights, the Pios barely let them out of there with a 36-35 win. 2nd on my list for the upset is Carroll's D...this defense is top of the conference. If Carroll does end up losing it wont be a high scoring blow out like it has been in the past. Really I think the key to the game is whether or not Carroll's offense shows up to play. If they dont have a running game, they are done. But with that said, I think Carroll has been on a roll for the last 2 weeks and knows what they can do and are ready to show they can be at the top of the conference.

Ripon / Monmouth Game
I went with Ripon because they are the home team this week. I know that didnt mean much against Carroll but that was only a short 2 hour bus ride. Monmouth has to pull an over nighter and those are sometimes rough. I think Ripon has a good enough defense to hold the freshman qb and is ready to put some points up. Once again this game is dependent on the home team's offense.

Beloit / IC Game
I originally thought the game was at Beloit. I was indeed wrong. But Im still going to hold true to Beloit. They are a much better team than people realize and just keep making mistakes that hurts themselves. I also am worried about how IC will fair without Jennings and to be honest they looked pretty bad at Carroll last weekend (I was there with friends) this included coaches. I am not taking shots at their coaches, I am sure that they are very good coaches but they had the look of what do we do now?? That look where nothing you do works and what do we do now. Maybe I am wrong and this is the game that IC gets things together but Im just not that sure.

CCAlum23 - Where did I play?? I cant give away that yet, then I would be accused of being biased against my former team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 11, 2007, 08:09:03 PM
Pat Coleman,

You wrote a nice response about proving yourself and paying dues just before the season started in response to a letter from an incoming freshman who had emailed you to tell you to "watch out for him" because he would be frequenting your AA teams or something to that effect...just curious how that kid is doing this season :) ???


MWC ALUM 07,

Considering you ranked SNC's DBs as the league's best, I would put Monmouth's receivers ahead of IC, looking at what MC did to SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2007, 08:18:05 PM
He's thrown one pass this season, but he is his team's third-leading receiver. His team is under .500 but might be considered somewhat of a surprise.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 11, 2007, 09:43:18 PM
Wow, I've been off the board all week because of work and look what I've missed out on!

OK as far as position ranking/talent goes I'd have to agree with a lot of you guys:

QB: Cody Craig is the best QB in this league – followed up by a healthy Chris Rogers, another healthy Jennings, and I think Jeff Ziemnik is a talent QB that does a lot with less talent down at Lake Forest.

RB: Crocker is a step ahead of everyone else at this position bar none! Scott Perkins at Ripon is a close second. Now before everyone at Norberts goes ape AJ Phillips to me is a very talented back, I've just seen him used mostly as a receiving back, I want to see him between the tackles 20+ times a game like the others mentioned above!

WR: As a core I think IC has always had the best WR's (now this isn't about core). Top WR in the league Judd O'Connell, followed by Dan Carter at Lake Forest.

OL: To be honest I think Norberts, Momouth, and Ripon (in what order no clue). Best OL maybe Corey Drake at Carroll, but this is a position that's graded as a whole.

DL: Some very talented groups here, haven't seen enough people to judge this one fairly.

LB: I'd say Carroll's core is pretty sold, saw Ripon play and thought they were pretty sold too, as was Norberts.

DB: I think Ripon's DB's are the best. Hamilton at Carroll along with Kramer at Ripon I feel are the top two here.

On to week 7 picks:

Beloit vs. IC – IC wins here somewhere in the range of 31-17.

Knox vs. Lawrence – The Vikings rebound after a tough loss to LFC, 35-21.

LFC vs. Grinnell – Foresters win out in Iowa, 27-7.

Games of the week:

Monmouth vs. Ripon – No home field advantage for the hawks, the Scots travel well. I think Monmouth gets up early do to the physical style they play, stumbles in the middle hawks make some half-time adjustments, and Monmouth holds on just enough to win. 24-17.

St. Norbert vs. Carroll – Learned my lesson picking against the Pios back two weeks ago. The weather looks like it will be similar to when the Green Knights last visited Waukesha – that being said, I think the Defense has a great performance and keeps SNC in check. I think the Knights will give the Pios some problems as well on D. Ultimately I think it comes down to Chris Rogers making some plays with his feet at the end! Pio's win by a Jacko FG as time expires 27-24.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: maniac84 on October 12, 2007, 12:27:05 AM
hey everyone this is my first post, but I try and read all your posts as often as I can

I have a information about the monmouth football team:

10 of the monmouth football players have staph infection, it seems that a player came to camp in august with a staph infection, but apparently did not realize he had it.  Now it is starting to move through the whole team.  I have a cousin on the team, and am a former player myself so this information has been confirmed from more than one source
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2007, 12:33:12 AM
Kind of sobering news for a first post. Here's hoping it's not serious.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: maniac84 on October 12, 2007, 12:38:42 AM
Sorry I did not mean to bum anyone out, or anything like that.  From what I have heard no one is in any serious danger and they are all being treated for the infection.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on October 12, 2007, 10:21:04 AM
Quote from: maniac84 on October 12, 2007, 12:38:42 AM
Sorry I did not mean to bum anyone out, or anything like that.  From what I have heard no one is in any serious danger and they are all being treated for the infection.
Does this have any effect on this weekends game?Can the kids with staph still play? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: maniac84 on October 12, 2007, 01:50:09 PM
The players who have staph infection are not allowed to travel, or practice the only thing their allowed to do it go to class.  I know one of the players is a starter and is not allowed to play this saturday or travel with the team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2007, 02:38:17 PM
You don't want someone with a staph infection playing football. Could be very very bad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 12, 2007, 03:29:59 PM
Week 6 MWC Games

Beloit at Illinois College - IC, Blueboys break the losing skid
Monmouth at Ripon - MC, Scots rebound to win close on the road
St. Norbert at Carroll - SNC, but I hope the Pios win at home to keep things interesting for the rest of the season
Lake Forest at Grinnell - LFC, Foresters win again over the I-Pios
Knox at Lawrence - LU, close game but I'll take the home squad

As for the MC staph infection news, I did not know about that.  That's really bad to hear and I hope everything turns out ok for all the current Fighting Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on October 13, 2007, 08:55:21 PM
Got back a while ago from the Scot-Hawk showdown and what a showdown it was!  Monmouth's O seemed untouchable at times, as Ripon generatd little pressure and Tanney had all day to throw.  However, it semed that MC went to the pass happy attack too quickly, as they were SHREDDING  Ripon at timeswith their running game.  Missed oppurtunities doomed MC, especially failing to score from first and goal at the 2 foot line (WHY NOT SNEAK RATHER THAN HANDING THE BALL FIVE YARDS DEEP WHEN YOU HAVE TO GAIN TWO FEET ??? ??? ???)As per usual, Ripon's Greatest Offense Ever DevisedTM was clicking, I found it interesting tht MC was giving RC the give to Perkins rather than pinching down and taking it away, which was a departure from their game plan in the past.  RC also benefitted from a couple of, errrr, dubious calls with Roeder's INT and the downed ball at the one yard line late in the game, when it appeared that the downer was laying in the endzone when he touched it.  No matter, it was a tremendous win for Ripon in the final minute of play, thus setting up the showdown of excellence with the Knights next weekend (You can bet your bottom dollar that I'll be there!).

Speaking of SNC, any word on SNC-Carroll fight to the finish besides the score?  Was anyone there?  I haven't taken a look at the stats yet, sounds like it also was quite a barn burner.  Unfortunately for the Wi-Pi's this hard fought loss means that they have been voted off the island, turn in your torch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 13, 2007, 09:46:04 PM
You have to be kidding me.......

The seniors deserve better to have that play called at the end of the game.

There is your difference between Carroll and SNC.  One program prides itself on finding a way to win, and another will just not reach out and take it when it is offered (I should know because I missed a few chances to take it as well). 

Got one of the most accurate kickers in the MWC who is the all time Carroll leading scorer sitting on the sideline ready to deliver the biggest win the last 12 years and you decide that the play to go with is a jump ball in the endzone which gets picked.

Needed 3 points to win and six yards to get in range, but somehow that got confused with needing 6 points and 30 yards.....

Always with pioneer pride...... just disapointed (the seniors should be proud of the effort they showed and the work they did to put the program in a position to make the game matter, you deserve better)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2007, 10:48:30 AM
I was at the game yesterday at Carroll. And yes, needless to say I was cheering on the Knights. With that said, let's move on.

Number 1 on the list to report on the game: Both teams suffered from a less than spectacular officiating crew. I talked to some Carroll parents as well as other SNC parents and it was pretty much agreed that the officiating was not the normal high caliber.
2. CC spotted SNC 14 points very early and did not fold. They could have but they showed their grit.
3. SNC did not seem to be firing on all cylinders. Offense was very sporadic compared to other games. CC caused some of it with their defense, but beyond that the SNC offense just did not seem to be fully on track.
4. I also agree with Once a PIO, from my side I was very nervous about the fild goal possibility at the end of the game. Thank you for not trying it.

I see ytour poijt also about one team finding a way to win vs. the other team just not quite knowing what to do in that situation. Maybe the same thing happened against Monmouth. I cannot believe they beat CC 6-3!!

CC players absolutely should be proud. Down by 14, come back to take the lead, never out of the game. Bugt I also think that the SNC players should be proud also. Always the target, still pull out the win when not playing your best.

Great game to be at and MOST of the parents I met from Carroll were great. Some comments we will let lie. We all have our certain fans we are not necessarily proud of.

On to next week. Let's hope for another beautiful Saturday for football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on October 14, 2007, 10:57:42 AM
I too am a SNC fan and agree with the above post.  What a great (but too close) game and the only reason I say great is that my favorite team, SNC, pulled out a win.  The defense was asked to constantly hold down CC and get the ball away from them which they did while the offense, usually clicking right along, was held in check by CC.

I said before that for the Monmouth and CC games taking care of the ball would be the deciding factor and yesterday was a great example.  The same will hold true for the game against Ripon which looks to be another slug fest for the Knights.....although I think SNC will regroup, study the film, and come out back on track.

Great job to the leadership to both teams and I hope that the good sportsmanship continues to come through.  Like the above poster from SNC, our apologies to CC for the SNC fans who were vocal on some of the official's calls.......they blew some major calls, however, they blew them for both of the teams.  I had 2 SNC "fans" behind me that had me putting in both of my radio ear buds to drown them out and reminded me why I sit closer to the visitor sections for the games.

Good luck boys on the rest of the season and keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 16, 2007, 09:46:26 PM
Questions for Pat or anyone else...when do the first NCAA regional rankings come out?

Also, if a school like WASHU (where schools in the conference are from several regions) makes the playoffs, what region are they seeded in?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2007, 08:58:41 AM
No matter the geographic size of a given conference the team(s) selected will be placed into whatever region they belong in. In WashU.s case they would likely face the IIAC or CCIW Champ; which would be a west region game as there are only 4 regions in football. Although the south region would not be beyond the realm of possibility depending on the rest of the teams in the play-off field.

Economics determines the seedings in football much more than basketball. Since it costs a small fortune to fly a football team somewhere you will see as many bus rides as possible. And I certainly don't blame the NCAA for that. 500 miles or more = flying.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 17, 2007, 01:55:31 PM
Sorry for the late response to last weeks game!

But I was frustrated because Carroll out played St. Norberts in almost every category! but yet finds a way to lose.  I along with everyone else in the stadium felt Carroll was going to kick the field goal and win the game! Everything was set up perfect, there was still a minute left and we were all they way down to the 40 yard line! 

It basically is  the same situation of when St. Norberts came last time to Waukesha!!!!  Norberts is well coached!  and they are a program that is use to winning and they find a way to do it even when they get out played!

Good job Ripon on beatig Monmouth! Beat Norberts and make things more interesting for the rest!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Duck Duck Goose on October 17, 2007, 06:09:59 PM
Hey, if I had a nickel for every time I played on a team that completely outplayed SNC and somehow lost due to a series of unbelievably bad breaks, I'd have five cents.  Anyway, great effort Carroll, sounds like it was a real battle.  Now this sets up the determining game, but before that on to the rest of my picks for the week.

GC @ IC - The season hasn't gone like the Blueboys had hoped, but they have enough to roast the corn.        IC 38 GC 10.

LU @ BC - Larry seems to have things at least somewhat on track.  I'm thrilled.     LU 31 BC 7.

CC @ KC- The Knox Bowl plays games with minds at times, but not this time.  CC 42 KC 14.

MC @ LFC - Hopefully Monmouth still has some spring left in its step now that its title hopes have been dashed.  I'm sure they do.  The revenge element (seriously, HOW did MC lose to the Foresters last year?) gives the Scots all the spring they need.      MC 38 LFC 14.

RC @ SNC - This weeks calendar blesses us with a de facto conference championship game.  This is sort of a head vs. heart thing for this game..............Ah screw it.  LETS GO HAWKS!!!!!!!   RC 34 SNC 31.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 17, 2007, 06:29:56 PM
CCAlum23, it has actually been very quiet on here since Saturday. I have no doubt that the CARROLLs College fans are quite frustrated. That was my first trip to Carrolls and I was impressed with town. I was expecting a field goal attempt but it did not come. Thank goodness. I feel like St. Norbert is in the heads of the Carrolls players. It reminds me of my sons high school team owning their arch rival. Many times it was due to being inside their head. I have the utmost respect for the players of Carrolls. As I do for all the teams.
I also am saying prayers for the players at Monmouth. Staph is not a good thing.

Predictions for this weekend. None at this time.....except St Norbert all the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 19, 2007, 10:17:28 AM
Anything positive to see from the Bucs this weekend?

what are the chances v. Lawerence?
Title: Saturday
Post by: Hawk Sighting on October 19, 2007, 10:21:01 AM
What has happened to this board?  One of the biggest games is about to take place tomorrow and there is NO chatter about it, no one tearing down either team, talking about what the out come is going be?  I am sad to open this up today and see no one cares that the automatic bid to the playoffs lie's in the outcome of the Ripon vs Norberts game.  This is a huge contest!!  I for one am excited to be able to be present at this event.  It should be a great game.  Let's hear from some people, SNCDAD, you have to have some insight or words for this game.  It's Norberts homecomig also, thats just more fuel to add to the discussion for this board, yet no one is talking.  Hit me, lets hear something.  I can only check this till noon today, but I hope to see some words of wisdom (or the attempt that so many of you try) for this weeks contests.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 19, 2007, 10:35:07 AM
I think the calm on this board is a reflection of how serious this game is to St. Norbert Fans. There have been some emails within the parent community going back and forth to get ready. A couple of special things may happen this Saturday in the fan base. As far as the game goes?

First of it is Ripon visiting St. Norbert, not St. Norberts. There are a few that do not seem to want to call SNC by the correct name.
I believe that the whole thing comes down to 2 major factors:
1. Stop the Ripon running game with some consistency
2. Get the offense back in sync like before the Carroll game.

If both of those are accomplished, SNC will show who is MWC Champs. If those 2 things are not accomplished, Ripon will be in the game.

Good luck to both teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on October 19, 2007, 10:40:29 AM
Hey SNCDAD,
I was just wondering how often does your son play?If he is not playing this year do you think he has a good chance of playing next year?


This weeks picks:
IC over GC by 14  Ic has too many weapons for Gc to stop.
LC over BC by 10  What LC team is going to show up??
CC over KC by 28  Carroll takes out their frustration on KC
LFC over MC by 3  Lfc playing better Mc playoff hopes ended last week.
SNC over RC  by 1    I would like to pick RC but this is Norberts.Until they get beat they are the reining MWC champs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 19, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
He has been on the 2 deep since the beginning of the year. I have been told that is good for a freshman. Backing up a Senior now so I believe he stands a good chance of starting next year. But a lot can happen between now and then. A LOT!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUFAN11 on October 19, 2007, 12:24:03 PM
LU has gone back to their offense from 05 after the sad lost to Grinnell and to their starting QB from 03-05, who was third in the conference in total offensive in 05.  I would expect them to win against Beloit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2007, 01:37:52 PM
Week 7 MWC Games

Grinnell at Illinois College - IC, Blueboys beat I-Pios in what could be a high-scoring affair
Lawrence at Beloit - LU, Bucs play tough at home but Vikes get the win
Carroll at Knox - CC, shouldn't be very close at all
Monmouth at Lake Forest - MC, Scots back to winning ways and get revenge for last year's HC loss
Ripon at St. Norbert - SNC, would rather just see the Knights win out and maybe have a shot at a decent playoff seed at this point

Anyone got news on the staph infection at MC that was mentioned last week?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2007, 02:37:37 PM
To somewhat answer my own question, part of the story at the link below says no Scots starters are expected to miss this week's game but there are about a dozen team members who have been diagnosed.

http://www.register-mail.com/stories/101907/SPO_BEMCAPCI.GID.shtml
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 19, 2007, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 19, 2007, 01:37:52 PM
Week 7 MWC Games

Grinnell at Illinois College - IC, Blueboys beat I-Pios in what could be a high-scoring affair
Lawrence at Beloit - LU, Bucs play tough at home but Vikes get the win
Carroll at Knox - CC, shouldn't be very close at all
Monmouth at Lake Forest - MC, Scots back to winning ways and get revenge for last year's HC loss
Ripon at St. Norbert - SNC, would rather just see the Knights win out and maybe have a shot at a decent playoff seed at this point

Anyone got news on the staph infection at MC that was mentioned last week?

Sorry to say, that isn't going to happen...even if undefeated, will get no higher than 7..in my humble opinion 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 20, 2007, 05:29:44 PM
SNC takes Conference Title.....

SNC wins 52 to 27 and secures a post season birth in D3 Playoffs...

CONGRATS TO THE KNIGHTS!!!!

SNCOLDAD, ILL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT BEER IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2007, 05:49:00 PM
MC over LFC, 41-19, in a game that appears to be the complete opposite of last year's defensive battle (a 12-8 LFC win on a miserable, rainy day).  Congrats to the Scots for getting back on track this week.

Anyone else got scores from other games around the MWC?
Title: St. Norbert Congrats
Post by: qbfan413 on October 21, 2007, 08:06:09 PM
 ;DCongrats to the Green Knights of St. Norbert

Great game and way to take care of business.  Good luck w/the rest of the journey in meeting your goals for the season.  As a fan, it was a great game to watch and cheer you on.

Regarding the previous posts on why the board was so quiet from the Norb fans..........last week at Carroll was a real gut check and had many of us nervous on what team would show up to play against Ripon and I'm so glad to see the team back clicking on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on October 21, 2007, 11:47:57 PM
Congrats to the Knights..... Ggod lord I wish we could get there one day


Sorry about no picks this week, school got a little out of hand. 

Next question: does anybody know how far out it is B4 SNC gets a little bit of an Idea as to who they are going to play?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 22, 2007, 07:48:54 AM
     I'm sure they'll end up playing St John's or UWW in the first round even though it's still way to early to predict.
     Congrats to Judd O'Connell for making the front page.  I didn't even realize it was him until ths morning.  I saw him play this weekend.  He catches everything thrown his way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2007, 09:53:16 AM
 ;D   YES!!! :D

You got it mwcSNC

And he got in real early. Older brother and I were going nuts in the stands. That was a team firing on all cylinders.

What a day. As far as rankings go I would take top 10 any day. May not get higher but that high could mean a home game and not UWW in the first round. Never know. Might get lucky.

Right now I am looking forward to the next game this Saturday.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on October 22, 2007, 11:12:25 AM
SNCDAD,
I don't know who your getting your info from but no team from the MWC will ever be ranked in the top 10 of D-3 you would be lucky to break into the top 25.
No matter what your record is the winner of this conference will play one of the top teams in the nation.
Anyway,congratulation to Norbert and good luck against whoever you play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2007, 12:01:49 PM
Just commenting on Ritz72 post below where he stated that ....even if undefeated, will get no higher than 7.... I have no idea what we will end up before playoffs. I also fully understand that we will PROBABLY play one of the top teams in D III. What I do not understand is your comment about being lucky to break into the top 25. I think you need to check the coaches poll for the past couple of weeks.
http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii-afca

No matter, I am a proud freshman father.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 22, 2007, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: mwcfbdad on October 22, 2007, 11:12:25 AM
SNCDAD,
I don't know who your getting your info from but no team from the MWC will ever be ranked in the top 10 of D-3 you would be lucky to break into the top 25.
No matter what your record is the winner of this conference will play one of the top teams in the nation.
Anyway,congratulation to Norbert and good luck against whoever you play.

You got that right...definitely won't crack the top 10 of the D3football.com poll, could make top 10 in the AFCA poll but that would happen only if ALOT of other teams had 1 or 2 losses.  As of now, it's looking like possible first round opponents could be any of the following: UW-Whitewater, St. John's, Bethel, Central, or Wartburg (and I would guess the SCIAC and NWC winners will probably be kept out on the west coast to face off with each other in the first round).  And whoever it is will probably be a road game, just to make life even tougher.  The west is the toughest region from top to bottom, so it will make for some rough battles on all teams in the playoffs.

Should be some regional rankings coming out soon and that could help in looking ahead at possible match-ups.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2007, 12:14:18 PM
The AFCA loves the Midwest Conference, Heartland Conference and Centennial Conference despite that they've done nothing in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 22, 2007, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 22, 2007, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: mwcfbdad on October 22, 2007, 11:12:25 AM
SNCDAD,
I don't know who your getting your info from but no team from the MWC will ever be ranked in the top 10 of D-3 you would be lucky to break into the top 25.
No matter what your record is the winner of this conference will play one of the top teams in the nation.
Anyway,congratulation to Norbert and good luck against whoever you play.

You got that right...definitely won't crack the top 10 of the D3football.com poll, could make top 10 in the AFCA poll but that would happen only if ALOT of other teams had 1 or 2 losses.  As of now, it's looking like possible first round opponents could be any of the following: UW-Whitewater, St. John's, Bethel, Central, or Wartburg (and I would guess the SCIAC and NWC winners will probably be kept out on the west coast to face off with each other in the first round).  And whoever it is will probably be a road game, just to make life even tougher.  The west is the toughest region from top to bottom, so it will make for some rough battles on all teams in the playoffs.

Should be some regional rankings coming out soon and that could help in looking ahead at possible match-ups.

Good analysis, MAV!! Hope things are going well at MON!

I'd guess, not matter what, MWC will be traveling to UWW, barring a collapse, even if UWW loses to MHB this weekend

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2007, 12:29:49 PM
As a rookie on here, I am learning a lot about D III and the MWC. I agree that the raod would have to go through Whitewater. I can only hope that it maybe could be the 2nd game instead of the first. As far as the polls go, I have no idea who favors what conferences in what polls. The end all is that they are just that....polls. I am sure I will learn a lot more in the weeks to come. Thanks for your guidance through this learning period. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 22, 2007, 01:01:16 PM
I was at the LF-MC game this past weekend.  Monmouth didn't play well but beat up on the Forestors pretty bad.  2 observations

1. The Lake Forest cheering section was horrible, i understand that it was fall break, but I swear their were more dogs there than forestor fans

2. #7 for the Forestors is a man among boys.  Might be the best wide reciever I have seen the MWC in 9 years. 

Go MC!  Beat the Blue Boys this weekend. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2007, 01:14:08 PM
papa90,
Couldn't agree more on the dogs at Lake Forest. When I went there to see a game I could not believe how many dogs were in the grass, up in the stands, all over. Probably some sort of agreement to get the land donated or something. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 22, 2007, 02:59:49 PM
Quote from: papa90 on October 22, 2007, 01:01:16 PM
I was at the LF-MC game this past weekend.  Monmouth didn't play well but beat up on the Forestors pretty bad.  2 observations

1. The Lake Forest cheering section was horrible, i understand that it was fall break, but I swear their were more dogs there than forestor fans

2. #7 for the Forestors is a man among boys.  Might be the best wide reciever I have seen the MWC in 9 years. 

Go MC!  Beat the Blue Boys this weekend. 

Papa

That is a pretty bold statement to make especially since there has been a number of great receivers in the past 10 years.  How has he done in other games... I added the stats from the SNC game, the only game I personally saw him play, and the numbers are not impresssive.  I just think there might be some better receivers out there that deserve alittle credit also.  Obviously, me being the SNC fan that I am, would have to say that Judd OConnell is not to shabby himeslf.

Receiving        No.  Yds   TD Long
-----------------------------------
WillChristensen 4   30    0   23
Dan Carter        3   31    0   11
Pat Jarvis          2   20    0   15
Tom Cirone       1    3    0     3
Totals...           10   84    0   23

Below are also the stats from the midwest conference site.  For the sake of brevity... i only copied over the top 5 in each category.

RECEPTIONS/GAME       Team  Cl  G  Rec  Yds TD Avg/C Rec/G
----------------------------------------------------------
WillChristensen.....  LFC   SO  6   39  383  1   9.8  6.50
Kyle Wantland.......  MC    SO  7   44  481  2  10.9  6.29
Judd O'Connell......  SNC   SR  7   41  772 11  18.8  5.86
  Bobby Gibbs.........  MC    JR  7   39  376  1   9.6  5.57
Dan Carter..........  LFC   SO  7   38  574  8  15.1  5.43


RECEIVE YDS/GAME      Team  Cl  G  Rec  Yds TD Avg/C Yds/G
----------------------------------------------------------
Judd O'Connell......  SNC   SR  7   41  772 11  18.8 110.3
Dan Carter..........    LFC   SO  7   38  574  8  15.1  82.0
Michael Jennings....  IC    SO  7   31  508  6  16.4  72.6
Kyle Wantland.......  MC    SO  7   44  481  2  10.9  68.7
Joe Reed.................  IC    SR  7   29  470  4  16.2  67.1


Again, im not saying the kid isnt good.... but there are others out there.  If you dig further in the last couple years, youll find more.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 22, 2007, 03:26:46 PM
One would think that with a line in a signature about "kidding each other with no disrespect", that might happen sometimes.  But there's always a sense of disrespect in those posts when it comes to the MWC.  I understand if someone wants respect then you gotta earn it...but the MWC always gets dogged, sometimes worthy of that and other times definitely not worthy of it.

ritz - Thanks for the comments!  It would appear things are going well as usual at SJU.  Would love to see another playoff game up there sometime (the atmosphere is one of a kind, obviously!), but unfortunately it's not gonna happen for the Scots this year.  Things are ok at MC this year, but will get better with time for some of the youthful players.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 22, 2007, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2007, 12:29:49 PM
As a rookie on here, I am learning a lot about D III and the MWC. I agree that the raod would have to go through Whitewater. I can only hope that it maybe could be the 2nd game instead of the first. As far as the polls go, I have no idea who favors what conferences in what polls. The end all is that they are just that....polls. I am sure I will learn a lot more in the weeks to come. Thanks for your guidance through this learning period. :)

That would mean, more than likely, a 4 seed which sadly will not happen at present time for a team from the MWC.  Plus, with travel distance being a factor, even if SNC would be that high, they would more than likely play UWW in the 1st round anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 22, 2007, 04:02:46 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 22, 2007, 03:26:46 PM
One would think that with a line in a signature about "kidding each other with no disrespect", that might happen sometimes.  But there's always a sense of disrespect in those posts when it comes to the MWC.  I understand if someone wants respect then you gotta earn it...but the MWC always gets dogged, sometimes worthy of that and other times definitely not worthy of it.

ritz - Thanks for the comments!  It would appear things are going well as usual at SJU.  Would love to see another playoff game up there sometime (the atmosphere is one of a kind, obviously!), but unfortunately it's not gonna happen for the Scots this year.  Things are ok at MC this year, but will get better with time for some of the youthful players.

Things are going alright, but we need to improve our overall game to be competitive in the post season!  It's Johnnie/Tommie week, so if any of you MWC posters want to read some off-color posts and jokes regarding St. Thomas (refered to as USTD on the MIAC board) climb aboard!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2007, 04:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 22, 2007, 03:26:46 PM
One would think that with a line in a signature about "kidding each other with no disrespect", that might happen sometimes.  But there's always a sense of disrespect in those posts when it comes to the MWC.  I understand if someone wants respect then you gotta earn it...but the MWC always gets dogged, sometimes worthy of that and other times definitely not worthy of it.

I think all I did was state the facts. If you are reading something more into it, you may have a personal bias to confront.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 23, 2007, 08:55:44 PM
Pat,

I have put some thought into this post and I have to respectively disagree with your previous post about the AFCA. I don't think the AFCA loves those particular conferences, I think they love undefeated teams and due to the balance of power in those leagues, they tend to produce undefeated teams who climb their rankings accordingly. Neither your website or the AFCA's rankings are truly reflective of the Top 25 teams in the country...really no rankings are...a true top 25 would likely have to contain four to 6 teams from the WIAC in the same fashion one could make the argument that as many as 10 SEC teams belong in the DI top 25.

I would also disagree with your assessment that winning playoff games is a prerequisite for national poll respect. There are legitimately only a handful of teams in the country every year who can defeat the conference champion from the WIAC and to a lesser extent the MIAC. The west region is also arguably the toughest top to bottom in the country and thus, the MWC champ will for the foreseeable future find itself facing these teams in the first round of the playoffs and losing.

In my mind, St. Norbert having the ability to lead UW-LAX 23-10 in the fourth quarter of a playoff game or Monmouth playing Wartburg tough on the road with a freshman quarterback are much more important statements to the improvement of the league then defeating Concordia or Hope in the first round of the playoffs ever would be.

I know how trivial and unscientific comparing scores can be, but...
*In 2001, St. Norbert lost to St. John's 27-20 in 1st round...SJU defeated Pacific 
  Lutheran by 25 points in semifinals.
* In 2003, SNC loses by 25, SJU wins by 28 in the semis.
* Hell, Whitewater followed a 42 pointer over SNC last year with a 37-point win in the
   semis.

Its in imperfect system, but it does show that the MWC champ could have likely competed with some of these teams and conferences who reached the semifinals, and the teams and conferences those schools beat along the way....yet those teams making it to the semis to get beat down get two playoff wins on your frontpage tally and the MWC gets none, another reason I am not sure the argument holds much weight.

As I said, no disrespect intended, just looking to get some discussion started.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2007, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 23, 2007, 08:55:44 PM
Pat,

I have put some thought into this post and I have to respectively disagree with your previous post about the AFCA. I don't think the AFCA loves those particular conferences, I think they love undefeated teams and due to the balance of power in those leagues, they tend to produce undefeated teams who climb their rankings accordingly.

Well, this may be a potato/po-tah-to discussion. Strength of schedule is the issue -- it seems to have much less impact on the AFCA voters than it does on ours.

I know we provide a large amount of info to our voters. We've had some voters move from one poll to the other and those who have talked about the difference have said they get much more information from us. Which makes sense, I mean, we maintain schedules and results for teams and we have the ability to spit out a report that is helpful.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on October 24, 2007, 12:16:58 PM
Fightintitan,
I agree with your last post .The MWC is in a catch 22.In order to get respect we have to win playoff game but we always have to play the top teams so our playoff record looks bad.
You seem to be very knowledgeable about  D-3 football.Did you play?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 24, 2007, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 23, 2007, 08:55:44 PM
Pat,

I have put some thought into this post and I have to respectively disagree with your previous post about the AFCA. I don't think the AFCA loves those particular conferences, I think they love undefeated teams and due to the balance of power in those leagues, they tend to produce undefeated teams who climb their rankings accordingly. Neither your website or the AFCA's rankings are truly reflective of the Top 25 teams in the country...really no rankings are...a true top 25 would likely have to contain four to 6 teams from the WIAC in the same fashion one could make the argument that as many as 10 SEC teams belong in the DI top 25.

I would also disagree with your assessment that winning playoff games is a prerequisite for national poll respect. There are legitimately only a handful of teams in the country every year who can defeat the conference champion from the WIAC and to a lesser extent the MIAC. The west region is also arguably the toughest top to bottom in the country and thus, the MWC champ will for the foreseeable future find itself facing these teams in the first round of the playoffs and losing.

In my mind, St. Norbert having the ability to lead UW-LAX 23-10 in the fourth quarter of a playoff game or Monmouth playing Wartburg tough on the road with a freshman quarterback are much more important statements to the improvement of the league then defeating Concordia or Hope in the first round of the playoffs ever would be.

I know how trivial and unscientific comparing scores can be, but...
*In 2001, St. Norbert lost to St. John's 27-20 in 1st round...SJU defeated Pacific 
  Lutheran by 25 points in semifinals.
* In 2003, SNC loses by 25, SJU wins by 28 in the semis.
* Hell, Whitewater followed a 42 pointer over SNC last year with a 37-point win in the
   semis.

Its in imperfect system, but it does show that the MWC champ could have likely competed with some of these teams and conferences who reached the semifinals, and the teams and conferences those schools beat along the way....yet those teams making it to the semis to get beat down get two playoff wins on your frontpage tally and the MWC gets none, another reason I am not sure the argument holds much weight.


As I said, no disrespect intended, just looking to get some discussion started.


You had a pretty good thing going until these statements.. The "We lost by ____ and then the next guy lost by ______" so we are as good as they are" rationale is bunk...sorry
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2007, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: ritz72 on October 24, 2007, 03:42:50 PM
You had a pretty good thing going until these statements.. The "We lost by ____ and then the next guy lost by ______" so we are as good as they are" rationale is bunk...sorry

Yeah, it kinda says they still would have lost to the same team, only in a different round if the bracket was changed.

Prediction............... St. Norbert"S" a lot, Beloit, not quite as many. Weather permitting I should make it but win lose or draw it will be Curlys Pub for lunch/dinner afterwards. Since it's my birthday weekend (sort of) I get to pick. So my Bears fan mother will be dragged into Lambeau Field, kicking and screaming if necessary. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 25, 2007, 09:57:49 AM
Havent been on here in a few days! First of all I want to Congrats to St. Norbert on clinching the title.  Do I personally think they were the best team?  Definately not!!!  Carroll was much more impressive and beat them in every category!  But that doesnt matter anymore!

Well this weeks picks!

Ripon at Grinnell - Ripon will run all over Grinnell!  Ripon wins 42-10

Knox at Lake Forest - Lake Forest will improve to .500 in the midwest with a win over a hurting praire fire! LFC wins 28-7

Illinois College at Monmouth - Monmouth will win, but Joe Reed is an athlete so dont take IC lightly!  Monmouth wins 35-14

Beloit at #RV/18 St. Norbert - 1:30 p.m. - This is going to be ugly! St. Norbert starters will be out after the 1st quarter! Will Judd O'Connell go over 1000 yards receiving??  St. Norbert will win 52-7

Carroll at Lawrence - Carroll will continue to take out there frustrations on not beating St.Norbert!!!!!!  This one is all Carroll!  Carroll dominated LU last year and expect the same thing again!  Crocker is 55 yards away from 1000 yards and he already has 13 tds!  Rogers had a great game last week and expect another great performance!  Gould is still playing tough and is in the top 5 in D3 for catches for tight ends!  and Carroll's Defense is soo tough!  It always has been in recent years and will continue to be!  

Good luck to all and for seniors out there you have 2 games left make them count! Because when its all done you will miss it!
 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2007, 11:11:34 AM
Based on the regional rankings here are some "possible" first round match ups.

#7 Bethel @ #1 UW-Whitewater
#6 Redlands @ #4 Occidental (Sorry folks, it's simple geography)
#5 St. Norbert @ #3 Central
#9 Linfield @ #2 St. Thomas

#8 Wartburg gets bumped out due to Linfield being an AQ. Somebody from the west coast will have to travel but this bracket would still preserve a proper 1 vs. 4/2 vs. 3 seeding in the second round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cawcdad on October 25, 2007, 02:43:30 PM
Linfield isn't an AQ. They would be pool B. The NWC becomes AQ next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2007, 03:01:39 PM
FOr the rookies here, mainly me, can you all explain accronyms and abbreviations? I have no idea what is going on with these posts and what they are suggesting.
Thank you. ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on October 25, 2007, 03:21:54 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 25, 2007, 11:11:34 AM
Based on the regional rankings here are some "possible" first round match ups.

#7 Bethel @ #1 UW-Whitewater
#6 Redlands @ #4 Occidental (Sorry folks, it's simple geography)
#5 St. Norbert @ #3 Central
#9 Linfield @ #2 St. Thomas


I think you mean #2 Saint John's, not St. Thomas :D  St. Thomas is 2-4 right now and about to get Monkey Stomped by the Johnnies with weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on October 25, 2007, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2007, 03:01:39 PM
FOr the rookies here, mainly me, can you all explain accronyms and abbreviations? I have no idea what is going on with these posts and what they are suggesting.
Thank you. ???

AQ = automatic qualifier
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2007, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2007, 03:01:39 PM
FOr the rookies here, mainly me, can you all explain accronyms and abbreviations? I have no idea what is going on with these posts and what they are suggesting.
Thank you. ???

Try the Playoff Primer, linked prominently as a front page story. Written especially for people like you -- you just have to check the front page instead of the message board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on October 25, 2007, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2007, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2007, 03:01:39 PM
FOr the rookies here, mainly me, can you all explain accronyms and abbreviations? I have no idea what is going on with these posts and what they are suggesting.
Thank you. ???

Try the Playoff Primer, linked prominently as a front page story. Written especially for people like you -- you just have to check the front page instead of the message board.

Now that is too easy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 25, 2007, 03:57:37 PM
DuffMan - I think you're right on there with the SJU putting the MonkeyStomp on USTD (as ritz called them awhile back) this weekend. :D

Some interesting numbers there with the first regional rankings.  Will be interesting to see if Wartburg beats Central and they both finish the season with 1 loss...same with St. John's and Bethel...and if Redlands can sneak in by winning the rest of their games to end with just 1 loss against Oxy.  Still alot of important football games to be played in the next few weeks before the playoffs get rolling!  I'll make my MWC picks tomorrow, even though there aren't many tough choices this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2007, 04:29:22 PM
Thanks for the heads up on the Primer. That will help a lot. I will try to greatly limit much unknowledgeable questions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 26, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
STNS = St. Norberts. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 26, 2007, 12:12:24 PM
Always one in every crowd!!   :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 26, 2007, 04:05:01 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 25, 2007, 03:57:37 PM
DuffMan - I think you're right on there with the SJU putting the MonkeyStomp on USTD (as ritz called them awhile back) this weekend. :D

Some interesting numbers there with the first regional rankings.  Will be interesting to see if Wartburg beats Central and they both finish the season with 1 loss...same with St. John's and Bethel...and if Redlands can sneak in by winning the rest of their games to end with just 1 loss against Oxy.  Still alot of important football games to be played in the next few weeks before the playoffs get rolling!  I'll make my MWC picks tomorrow, even though there aren't many tough choices this week.

Decastomp!  Will be 10 years in a row beating them!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2007, 04:34:28 PM
Week 8 MWC Games

Ripon at Grinnell - RC, Hawks roll in Iowa
Knox at Lake Forest - LFC, Foresters pick up a win...possibly close
Illinois College at Monmouth - MC, Scots play well and win big for homecoming
Beloit at St. Norbert - SNC, not even close what-so-ever
Carroll at Lawrence - CC, Pios score a bunch on Larry

ritz - I like the vocabulary there...Decastomp, very creative! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 26, 2007, 08:24:25 PM
Sorry I haven't been on this board in the past two weeks or so, I have been on the road with work and haven't had a chance to get to a computer. Congrats to St. Norberts on wining the conference championship. I wasn't able to attend the Carroll/Norberts – however heard all about it.

Here are my picks for this weeks MWC games:

Ripon vs. Grinnell – Ripon runs circles around the pioneers, 56-12.

Knox vs. Lake Forest – Foresters will have no problem with the fire here, 28-10.

IC vs. Monmouth – Monmouth wins here, agree with the CCAlum23 about Joe Reed being dangerous! Monmouth 28-14.

Beloit vs. St. Norberts – Norberts unloads on the Buccs, 65-10.

Carroll vs. Lawrence – Pioneers win big here, that D is too tough and not sure if the Vikings can contain Crocker and company! 35-14

CCAlum or anyone else, what time does this game actually start at I have seen three different start times listed?

Safe travels to everyone on the road this weekend! Also how is Monmouth recovering from the infection?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 27, 2007, 11:05:59 AM
1 more Fan-  The game starts at 5:00 Sharp!  I will be there to see the Pio's whoop on LU!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2007, 04:50:26 PM
Nothing says classless like St. Norbert"S" running a fake punt when up 41-3 in the 3rd quarter. As though they were in danger of losing the game if they didn't do that..................

Spirit of D3.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2007, 06:11:18 PM
Roops, :) you obviously do not watch SNC football very much. Their punters are taught the run before the punt. Of course you don't mention that they had punted the play before, but Beloit had a Running Into The Kicker for 5 yards. Now that made it 4th and about 2. When Beloit decided to not cover the run which SNC does every punt, he went for it. So it is not like that play is called from the sidelines. It is taught for every punt play.

By the way, 55-9 Final.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2007, 10:16:44 PM
The point is, they were up 41-3 at the time. I don't care what happened the previous down. Nor do I care what their punters are taught. A fake punt up 41-3 is classless. Kick it away because you are going to win even if Beloit returns it for a score.

Yes St. NorbertS, your Juniors and Seniors are much better than Beloits Sophomores and Freshmen. Win by 1 point and it's still only one win. Win by 46 and it's still one win. I hope the NCAA bans vasoline in the playoffs and you bastards get what you deserve.

The game was won in the first half. No need for trick plays like that.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2007, 10:24:25 PM
Here's an idea............... How about if St. Norbert goes to Mt. Union in the first round........


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 28, 2007, 01:11:07 AM
Huge win for Lawrence over Carroll!  They've done a great job bouncing back from a rough beginning of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 28, 2007, 09:28:33 AM
Roop, I am impressed. You showed your true colors with that posting. Not going there myself. So have a great week. Hope your dreams come true. And I will also pray for you.  :)

By the way, I would like to compliment the wide receivers for Beloit. I heard 1 is a freshman. He has a great set of hands and is willing to cross the middle. Good looking receiver.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2007, 11:12:25 AM
My venting is over so you can go there if you like. LOL. As far as I'm concerned it's on to next week. Lets not forget that I was equally, if not more upset, about Beloit trying the on-side kick against Ripon down 56-9 with under a minute left a couple weeks ago. Did they think they were going to recover and score, then do it 6 more times to win ?? So I'm not beating up St. Norbert for the sake of beating up St. Norbert. Excuse me, St. Norberts  ;) Rather there are simply some things that are unnecessary.

Yes, Julian Ross is the "first year"  ::) and Nate Tate, another potential stand out receiver is only a sophomore. Nate's been nursing a bum knee so his playing time was limited this year. Hopefully he is ready in time for basketball season. The thing I like about Julian the best is he keeps going forward when he's in traffic instead of attempting 7 or 8 fakes that loses yardage.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on October 28, 2007, 08:35:20 PM
Great game for LU. Did the CC QB get hurt? Reading the game stats it looked liked they had a new Qb second half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUFAN11 on October 28, 2007, 08:59:34 PM
The Carroll QB did get hurt in the first half, but that was not the reason LU won.  LU whooped up Carroll the whole game. LU offensive has been on a roll, winning their last 4 of 5 games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 28, 2007, 09:28:49 PM
Roop, thanks. I agree that running out of punt formation when up by that score is kind of, well leave it at that.

OK. LU beat CC????   What??? Oh, and the CC QB was injured and that had no afect on teh game????    Details people!!   When and what was happening before that.   

Also, how is Monmouth???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 29, 2007, 11:07:02 AM
First time poster & have been following the conference and this site for nearly quite a few years now and find it amazing on the amount of fans for Carroll, Ripon, & Monmouth are so out-spoken when your teams are winning and yet so quiet when they fail to claim the crown.  Has been a very fun year to watch, being a SNC fan, as they have found yet another way to get to the top.  I have a lot of respect for every team in the conference, but have lost a lot of that this year to Carroll as Mr. Chris Albanese & Co. are unbelievable with some of their comments on here as well as their players feeling the need to get in opposing teams faces after the games.

Great effort goes out to all of the teams and best of luck to everyone this final weekend in conference play.  Hopefully the Craig/O'Connell show will find it's way down to Jacksonville as they are on the verge of breaking numerous season and career records as well.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on October 29, 2007, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2007, 10:24:25 PM
Here's an idea............... How about if St. Norbert goes to Mt. Union in the first round........

Might as well get the first round loss over with in a big way :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 29, 2007, 01:08:49 PM
sncfballfan-  Really glad you could make it on here for the last week of the season!   Im glad you lost respect for me because I dont care! 

Carroll got beat fair and square and I understand that!  Chris Rogers got hurt when the score was 14-7 in the second quarter! So LU Fan it was not a blow out at all. If my memory serves me right Carroll missed a field goal to make it 14-10!  LU could not stop Crocker! On 1 drive it was Crocker getting the ball every time!  He did rush for 213 yards!

Carroll did have more total yards 340-304, more first downs, and more time of possesion!  It comes down to LU making more big plays!  Eric Aspenson is a good athlete and #24 Micke had a great game! Carroll could not stop him.  This was not a blow out by any means!  Carroll played there worst game of the year and looked extremly flat!

I truly believe Carroll is a much better team but for some odd reason Carroll always plays down to LU's level when they play at the Banta Bowl.  This reminds me of 2 seasons ago when Carroll Lost 38-36 on a last minute field goal at the Banta Bowl!   I feel sorry for all the seniors because they came so close to making it there year! Still proud of all of you for what you've done for the program!

It doesnt help when there best athlete Issac Hamilton suffered a carrer ending injury in the first quarter of the St.Norbert game............................

I am not trying to offend any one on this board,  I dont think I've been too bad!  Yes, I can be a little bias but who wouldnt when you play 4 years for a program you care a lot about?!

Also, looks like the IC-Monmouth game was very close!  I told you Joe Reed is a good athlete!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 29, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
And about Carroll players getting in other players faces!!!!!!! I dont know where this is coming from?????? I think that goes both ways??  That was just a weird comment!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 29, 2007, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: CCAlum23 on October 29, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
And about Carroll players getting in other players faces!!!!!!! I dont know where this is coming from?????? I think that goes both ways??  That was just a weird comment!!!!!!!!!

That comment comes in regards to a classless program where players of the Carroll team are in the faces of guys & talkin smack to Lawrence, Norbert, & Monmouth players during the post-game.  I have heard about this happening in all three of these games.  Tells you something about the program.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUFAN11 on October 29, 2007, 01:30:34 PM
CCAlum:  remember LU also missed a field goal in the first half, so the score could have been 17-7 at half just as easy.  The Carroll players were trying to twist the LU QB's ankles in the pile.  They were also trying to smack him under his face guard, its funny the inside of the face guard was all scratched up after the game.  Carroll's RB is a good runner and LU had trouble stopping him, but I think he would have had the same carrries no matter who the QB was.  

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 29, 2007, 02:34:18 PM


Quote from: DuffMan on October 29, 2007, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2007, 10:24:25 PM
Here's an idea............... How about if St. Norbert goes to Mt. Union in the first round........

Might as well get the first round loss over with in a big way :D
I guess losing to MU wouldn't be so bad.  Watching SNC lose to UWW 3 straight times, that was rough.  Of course, the SJU faithful will know that same feeling in a few weeks. :'( 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on October 29, 2007, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on October 29, 2007, 02:34:18 PM
I guess losing to MU wouldn't be so bad.  Watching SNC lose to UWW 3 straight times, that was rough.  Of course, the SJU faithful will know that same feeling in a few weeks. :'( 

Perhaps, but it sure as heck won't be in the first round :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 29, 2007, 03:31:01 PM
     You should go back to the DuffMan picture.  I liked it more and that MIAC championship trophy is almost as worthless as one from the MWC or IBC. :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2007, 03:33:17 PM
That's the Walnut and Bronze in that picture.

AKA the national championship trophy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ritz72 on October 29, 2007, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on October 29, 2007, 03:31:01 PM
     You should go back to the DuffMan picture.  I liked it more and that MIAC championship trophy is almost as worthless as one from the MWC or IBC. :-X

Damn..PC beat me...You get the trophy in Duffman's avatar from winning the National Championship.  That game occurs 4 games after the first round!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on October 29, 2007, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on October 29, 2007, 03:31:01 PM
...that MIAC championship trophy is almost as worthless as one from the MWC or IBC. :-X

#1 - What Pat said.

#2 - A MIAC championship trophy is only as worthless as the MWC one if Bethel should happen to win it. :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2007, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 29, 2007, 11:07:02 AM
First time poster & have been following the conference and this site for nearly quite a few years now and find it amazing on the amount of fans for Carroll, Ripon, & Monmouth are so out-spoken when your teams are winning and yet so quiet when they fail to claim the crown. 

I can't speak for the Carroll and Ripon posters, but for myself as a Monmouth poster, I think I'm fairly consistent on the board.  I'm not going to chime in on every single issue that is brought up here; but I usually will if it's something that I have knowledge of, and if it isn't, then typically I don't.  Or maybe I'm off base with that...would have to get the ruling of another consistent poster I guess.

SNCOLDAD - You asked yesterday how is Monmouth...all I can say is that they're surviving right now; I just don't have all the info on who has missed games and why they missed those games--injury, staph infection, other reason, etc.  I'm pretty sure there have been a few players, ones that were main contributors in games, who have missed the last couple weeks--probably due to staph.  And those who were missing may or may not have been a factor in the IC game being close and going into OT on Saturday. 

Fighting Scots - Good luck this weekend against Knox!  Seniors, make sure that this last week of practice and this final game isn't something that you will remember, but rather something that you will never forget!  What other MC fans will be making the trip to Galesburg on Saturday?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on October 29, 2007, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2007, 03:33:17 PM
That's the Walnut and Bronze in that picture.

AKA the national championship trophy.

PapaSmurf;  This is getting fun... in the MIAC they also make us play with 11 players.   :o

Developing...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 29, 2007, 05:36:51 PM
     I actually thought that's what it was but I've never seen (won't ever see?) it up close. :-\  My joke wouldn't have worked the other way.

     I know Pat, it's on the front page.
     
     Give me some time and I'll figure out what the 11 player comment meant...

      Still haven't figured it out but I'll post this anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on October 29, 2007, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on October 29, 2007, 05:36:51 PM
     I actually thought that's what it was but I've never seen (won't ever see?) it up close. :-\  My joke wouldn't have worked the other way.

     I know Pat, it's on the front page.
     
     Give me some time and I'll figure out what the 11 player comment meant...

      Still haven't figured it out but I'll post this anyway.

Like I said Papa... it's gonna be fun!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on October 30, 2007, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 29, 2007, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: CCAlum23 on October 29, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
And about Carroll players getting in other players faces!!!!!!! I dont know where this is coming from?????? I think that goes both ways??  That was just a weird comment!!!!!!!!!

That comment comes in regards to a classless program where players of the Carroll team are in the faces of guys & talkin smack to Lawrence, Norbert, & Monmouth players during the post-game.  I have heard about this happening in all three of these games.  Tells you something about the program.
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I think You are 100% wrong to call out Carroll as a classless program!  You are disrespecting many people when you say that!  If anything I would say we have one of the more classy programs in the MWC! Before you've came on this board I never heard any negative feedback on Carroll!

You probably never played football in the MWC and your just a fan who thinks he knows everything!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 30, 2007, 10:05:17 AM
SNCfballfan – Who are you calling a classless program!? No way is Carroll a classless program, in fact Coach Henny is one of the classiest people you will ever meet and doesn't tolerate stupidity! Are you kidding me, everything you mentioned in your post is the same crap that every other school in the MWC did when I played – I've been in the bottom of piles and my ankles cranked by Ripon, SNC, and IC, a kid from Beloit even spit in my face, and the list goes on...so before you attack a program and call us classless you better evaluate what everyone else does! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 30, 2007, 10:19:21 AM
Apparently people get alittle defensive on this board... can't we all just get along? 

Ha ha.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2007, 11:27:42 AM
Easy Guys. Please. Lets not go down that road. Every program has its negatives and every program has its positives. When you call out an individual or school, you better be ready to be called out yourself. All have been there at one time or another. This is not the route for any MWC Fan to take.

THanks for the info on Monmouth health. That is not a good situation and around Chicago they are having high schools shut down for a day when they find someone with Staph.

Is the Carroll QB out for the final game? Or was he just knocked out of the game but OK?

SNC had a fair amount of guys not dressed for their game last Saturday. There wew a number in street cloths and I know of at least one not even at the game that is part of the 2 deep. Hope all return for the last regular season game.

Best of health to all and look forward to visiting Illinois College.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 30, 2007, 11:44:15 AM
Are the SNC fans planning on making the journey down to IC this weekend?  Hopefully we can get a good crowd to support the knights on their march to the NCAA playoffs in hope of a home playoff bid in the 1st round.  Just saw the latest AFCA poll and SNC moved up to #11 for all it is worth. 

Now that the season is in its last week, what are everyone's thoughts for Player of the Year; Offensive & Defensive, as well as Coach of the Year??? 

I'm going to be a homer on this one and say that the Green Knights run the table with Craig getting offensive honors (is there anyone else that could even make a push??  kid has made HUGE improvements and led his team to the title by being in the top 15 in the nation in almost every passing category), Jay Arndt getting defensive honors (human wrecking ball on the DL and his stats say enough), and Coach Jim Purtill adding to his amazing resume.  Let's hear some input.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on October 30, 2007, 11:56:02 AM
I think it could be close... Basing on numbers, it could be several players in each catagory. 

Although of course I would like to see all three go the the green knights.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on October 30, 2007, 12:02:01 PM
Offense POY - Craig or Crocker from Carroll, only two in the race

Defensive POY - Toss up nobody's numbers really stand out from the quick glance at the conference page.

Coach of Year - Probably go to Purtill, but with Wallace retiring out at Grinnell watch for the conference to maybe give it to him like the did for DeGeorge back in 2005.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2007, 02:24:45 PM
You bet there will be SNC Fans at Illinois College this Saturday. For me it is a little closer than the home games.  ;D  Have to support the team in their final regular season game.

I also know that some that are traveling much further are making plans to go down on Friday and start the party Friday night.  ;)

I will not comment on POY items. As the father of an offensive lineman, awards like that hit a small sore spot with me. You know, the same old positions always get the recognition. It is the nature of the position. No hard feelings but I would not be a good judge of the skilled positions unless you go strictly by numbers, which I do not agree with. I will leave the POY guesses to those that are better skilled than I to make a good selection.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on October 30, 2007, 07:56:25 PM
Best of luck to the Knights this weekend while they attempt back to back undefeated regular season play ;D  I'd be willing to bet that almost any SNC player would give up any record/stat/etc. for a good showing in playoffs!

Go Knights.......some of us will be watching via the wonderful WWW but I'll have my cowbell ready to annoy the neighbors.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on October 31, 2007, 05:47:23 PM
     It looks like SNC has a good chance at a home playoff game.  With Bethel having to play St Johns and Wartburg still having to play Central it looks like if SNC wins this weekend they should stay in the top 4.  Of course, they could get moved...           and I'm usually wrong.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 31, 2007, 07:13:05 PM
I do not care if I have to drive to De Pere, Minnesota or Iowa. As a freshman Dad, I am so happy for my son and the team. All the work that all players put in on every team. This is what they all want.
qbfan413, I have no doubt. Trading a loss on Saturday for 2 wins in the playoffs is probably a no brainer. You are probably right.
PapaSmurf, one can only hope. Those are the little steps that the mwc needs to make to be a higher rated conference.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on October 31, 2007, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: PapaSmurf on October 31, 2007, 05:47:23 PM
     It looks like SNC has a good chance at a home playoff game.  With Bethel having to play St Johns and Wartburg still having to play Central it looks like if SNC wins this weekend they should stay in the top 4.  Of course, they could get moved...           and I'm usually wrong.

It would be much more fun having you make the trip to Pella! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 31, 2007, 11:19:43 PM
Central vs. SNC certainly seems like a possibility...probably even more so if they lose to Wartburg

Ironically, in past years MWC fans would have been rooting for St. Johns and UWW to lose to try to avoid having to face them in the first round. The way things are shaking out now, it appears if STJ and UWW win out, SNC will avoid them and have a chance at a more winnable 1st round game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 01, 2007, 06:32:46 AM
     By the way, SNC's home playoff record is 1-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2007, 09:39:10 AM
Unfortunately the west coast situation makes it unlikely that St. Norbert will host a game. I also switched St. Norbert and Bethel because I doubt the NCAA would pair teams from the same conference in the first round if it can be avoided.

#1 @UW-Whitewater vs. #6 Wartburg

#7 @Linfield vs. #8 Occidental

#3 @Central vs. #5 Bethel

#2 @St. Johns vs. #4 St. Norbert

While the teams may change the only certainty is that the NWC winner will face the SCIAC winner, although I believe Linfield has clinched but I could be wrong. St. Norbert needs to move up at least one spot to have a chance at hosting a game.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 01, 2007, 10:08:29 AM
     They should move up if Central loses to Wartburg.  They might even pass St Johns if they lose to Bethel.   Also Redlands and Whitworth(2 far west teams) are close to getting in if Bethel and/or Wartburg loses.  I think CLU has a chance of making it in also.  Again, I'm no Nostradamus.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2007, 10:17:15 AM
True, but if Wartburg really whacks Central and St. Norbert has a less than stellar performance Wartburg might actually leap frog them for the #3 spot. Same thing goes if Bethel beats St. Johns. I think UWW and St. Johns need to win out and Central needs to drop a close one. St. Norbert then needs to win by whatever they're supposed to. Which would be at least 3 scores I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: johnnie_esq on November 01, 2007, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 01, 2007, 09:39:10 AM
Unfortunately the west coast situation makes it unlikely that St. Norbert will host a game. I also switched St. Norbert and Bethel because I doubt the NCAA would pair teams from the same conference in the first round if it can be avoided.

#1 @UW-Whitewater vs. #6 Wartburg

#7 @Linfield vs. #8 Occidental

#3 @Central vs. #5 Bethel

#2 @St. Johns vs. #4 St. Norbert

While the teams may change the only certainty is that the NWC winner will face the SCIAC winner, although I believe Linfield has clinched but I could be wrong. St. Norbert needs to move up at least one spot to have a chance at hosting a game.

Not to discount your effort, but this is certain to change radically in the coming weeks pending the Wartburg-Central and SJU-Bethel games.  If BU/Wartburg win, they will really mean things get shaken up; if Central/SJU win, Bethel and Wartburg are bubbles to get in.  Throw in St. Olaf to the mix (whose two losses came to SJU and Bethel) and you have a real problem with that bubble.  And we haven't even started to consider the WIAC yet.

Linfield has not clinched-- they are reaching for one of the three pool B bids.  If they don't get those, they are tossed into Pool C with everyone else.  While they currently have only one D-3 loss, their non D3 losses could push them over the bubble and out of the postseason.  The NWC is not guaranteed a playoff entry, unfortunately, and a loss by Linfield or Whitworth the rest of the way could kill their chances at even one birth the rest of the way. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 01, 2007, 12:57:13 PM
I would say Central and SJU are fairly safe bets for the playoffs, regardless of losses. If I were SNC I wouldnt want to play either, hosting or not, especially after one of them should lose. It will be interesting to see how things shake out. SNC have a chance to lose at all or are they on mop up duty?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 01, 2007, 01:20:55 PM
     The last time SNC lost to Illinois Colllege was in 2001.  Since then SNC has pretty much blown them out every year.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2007, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 01, 2007, 12:57:13 PM
SNC have a chance to lose at all or are they on mop up duty?

I wouldn't call it mop up duty. While they seemed to take the 1st quarter off in their last game, they will need to play from the start in this one. IC isn't likely to pull the upset but their defense is sound. In a way this is a no win situation for SNC as they must win by a certain amount to be impressive but they can't "run it up" either. A 21-0 game would look good for them. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on November 01, 2007, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 01, 2007, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 01, 2007, 12:57:13 PM
SNC have a chance to lose at all or are they on mop up duty?

I wouldn't call it mop up duty. While they seemed to take the 1st quarter off in their last game, they will need to play from the start in this one. IC isn't likely to pull the upset but their defense is sound. In a way this is a no win situation for SNC as they must win by a certain amount to be impressive but they can't "run it up" either. A 21-0 game would look good for them. 

Roop, why do you say that SNC can't run it up this weekend?  AND a 28-0 lead after twenty minutes into the game doesn't seem like a bad start in my mind ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on November 01, 2007, 06:43:29 PM
SNC Gentlemen, if you check out the boards...............just win!!
Doesn't matter who you play, where you play it, or past records.  Stay with your season mantra of one game at a time & DOMINATE.

I think IC might be a closer game than SNC fans like myself want to see.  While I'm confident that they will win I don't forcast a blowout (feel free to prove me wrong......I have no problem with it ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BOBCAT04 on November 01, 2007, 07:55:40 PM


    If CLU wins out against Pomona Pitzer 2-5 and Redlands 6-1 they are in.

They are also in if they beat PP and lose to Redlands, if OXY beats Whittier in their last game.

          OXY                   5-1
          REDLANDS         5-1
          CLU                   5-1

CLU gets AQ based on the Rose Bowl Rule the team that has not made the playoffs in longest time      for CLU that = never
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 01, 2007, 08:04:31 PM
Acronyms....Acronyms.....Acronyms!   ???   I wish I have been here on this website for years so I knew what was trying to be stated. Oh Well. :-\

Just keep the faith.

GO KNIGHTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2007, 12:38:56 AM
If you'd read this week's Around the Nation (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2007-11-01/Natural+bowl%2C+pines+and+a+large+crowd), you could've learned what AQ stands for.

Do stop by the front page and read -- you'd miss less.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2007, 08:47:17 AM
Quote from: sncfballfan on November 01, 2007, 03:01:11 PM
Roop, why do you say that SNC can't run it up this weekend?  AND a 28-0 lead after twenty minutes into the game doesn't seem like a bad start in my mind ???
They had great field position in the 1st quarter and that translated into 14 points. I realize that watching on the internet doesn't give me the exact feel of how the game is going but they didn't really seem that inspired to me. The INT for the touchdown in the second quarter really got them going however and it was off to the races after that.

I believe they are capable of running it up this weekend but I'm not sure if they should. It doesn't help their strength of schedule argument, when it comes to getting a home game, to continually pound the rest of an average conference. Unfortunately they have too many blow out wins to give the rest of the conference much credit, although it is improving. There was for a while a legitimate 4 team race this year and I can't remember the last time that happened.

Ultimately it will come down to what they do in the play offs as far as gaining respect for the conference goes. All things being equal the #4 should get to host a game but things are not equal due to the size of the west region.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2007, 09:47:54 AM
Thanks for the link Pat. I get the email and just click on that. It brings me right to the board. I will try to stop by the home page more often.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 02, 2007, 12:54:25 PM
Roop

Any chance that Beloit avoids the goose-egg?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 02, 2007, 02:19:21 PM
Week 9 MWC Games

Grinnell at Beloit - GC, I-Pios get the win in the battle for the basement
St. Norbert at Illinois College - SNC, no repeat of 2001--much like each year since that shocker took place
Monmouth at Knox - MC, Scots roll in another Turkey Bowl
Lawrence at Ripon - RC, Vikes play tough but Hawks win comfortably
Lake Forest at Carroll - CC, Wi-Pios rebound for a win after last week's surprise loss
Title: SNC Fans--check out this link in the MJS
Post by: qbfan413 on November 02, 2007, 09:51:55 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=681645
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2007, 04:54:02 AM
Quote from: rome on November 02, 2007, 12:54:25 PM
Roop

Any chance that Beloit avoids the goose-egg?

This is one of the few times that Beloits offensive line may actually be even with or bigger than the defensive line they will be facing. So there shouldn't be too many jail breaks and look out blocks. They should be able to establish some consistency and sustain drives. Grinnell is probably the slight favorite but I think Beloit can get it done 28-23.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on November 03, 2007, 05:06:37 PM
KNIGHTS WIN

SNC RUNS THE TABLE FOR A UNDEFEATED SEASON!!!! 10-0 Season

SNC 31  to IC 27

It was a Hard Fought Game....

Lets go Knights... Tighten up before the Playoffs.  Hopefully we locked down a home game at Miniham Stadium.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on November 03, 2007, 06:05:55 PM
Congrats to the Green Knights.........this game felt like Carroll all over again........yikes.
It was a great team win and once again when part of the game struggled the other was there to pick it up....amazing job to the TEAM and kudos on back to back undefeated regular seasons of play :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2007, 07:36:09 PM
The MWCTV feed was worthless but the Bucs saved their ship. 1-9 builds a lot more confidence for next year than 0-10 does. Linemen, linemen, linemen............ They should be the priority for the recruiting effort.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 04, 2007, 12:51:38 PM
    Congrats Knights on finishing up undefeated!

     I think a Wartburg victory over Central or even a Bethel win over SJU could result in an SNC home game in the playoffs.  They should also hope that 1 or 3 team(s) make it in from the SCIAC/NWC with the odd team flying east to play one of the top 4 in the region.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on November 04, 2007, 01:13:58 PM
I was at the IC/STN game and Norberts fans, don't get too excited.  IC has had the injury bug hit them big time this year with at least 28 players were out at any given time.  Seven starters missed this game.  IC was playing with it's third string QB, who used to be their best reciever, converted back to QB, which as a senior hasn't played since high school.  IC ended the season at 4 and 6.  Yet they only lost by 1 TD and were in it till the last 50 seconds of the game. 

I hope nothing but the best for the Knights, so St. Norberts can represent the conference and all conference members will benefit from their success.  I don't think this is their year to do that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on November 04, 2007, 05:45:58 PM
IC fan.........I can appreciate your frustration in your loss but IC was 4-4 in the conference going into the game so what happened in those losses?  I'll give you that SNC was fortunate to get out of there w/a win, however, good teams will do that.......regardless of the situation. 

SNC knew that Sat's game would be a tough one and respected the IC defense.  With that said a win is a win and a loss........well, they all suck but you can't explain them away.

Good luck in the playoffs Knights.  Keep in mind that after your last close game the offense and defense came back the following week and played a near PERFECT game..........do it again ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcSNC on November 04, 2007, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: ICBlue on November 04, 2007, 01:13:58 PM
I was at the IC/STN game and Norberts fans, don't get too excited. 

ICBLUE....qbfan is right.  A win is a win.  No matter how pretty or ugly it was, those kids deserve to be excited about that win or any of thier other 9 wins.  They worked hard and deserve to be proud of thier undefeated season.

Great Job KNIGHTS... Congrats on all your hard work and success.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 04, 2007, 07:10:41 PM
Papsmurf,

I am not playoff expert by any means, but I would disagree with assessment of the playoff situation. Based on past performance, I think Bethel will pass St. Norbert with a win over SJU and SJU will remain ahead of SNC in the rankings despite the loss. While not as likely, Wartburg and Central may do the same if Wartburg wins. Seems to me that SNC should be rooting for SJU and Central to win if they have want a home game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 05, 2007, 11:02:41 AM
ICBlue,
SOrry to hear about the injuries. That is something that is hard to accept, I know. I am sure that none of the other teams in the MWC had injuries which make it very much more difficult for IC also.

I do wonder  ??? why you wish the Knights the best to represent the conference and immediatelly put them down with stating this is not the year? Why would this not be the year to represent the conference? Even in a loss, you can represent the conference well.  ???

I do hope the injury to your 1st string QB was not serious. Is he coming back?
And your 2nd string QB. What was his injury? Also is he coming back next year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWC_ALUM_07 on November 05, 2007, 11:05:58 AM
Congrats to St. Norbert on another 10-0 season and congrats to Beloit for their first win to avoid the complete opposite of the Green Knights. I cant believe the season is over. My apologies for being absent for awhile, its been a tough month at work and at home.

Question for all...If you are already out of the conference championship chase would you play your seniors, who have put 4 years into your program, or would you play underclassmen and start the rebuilding early??

More specifically what happened at Carroll?? They started a freshmen QB???? I am assuming Rogers was hurt but what happened to the other 2 SENIOR QB's?? I have noticed this trend lately and as a coach I dont see how you couldnt play your seniors especially on SENIOR NIGHT. Maybe I have just lost it but I am wondering everyone elses thoughts
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICBlue on November 05, 2007, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 05, 2007, 11:02:41 AM
ICBlue,
SOrry to hear about the injuries. That is something that is hard to accept, I know. I am sure that none of the other teams in the MWC had injuries which make it very much more difficult for IC also.

I do wonder  ??? why you wish the Knights the best to represent the conference and immediatelly put them down with stating this is not the year? Why would this not be the year to represent the conference? Even in a loss, you can represent the conference well.  ???

I do hope the injury to your 1st string QB was not serious. Is he coming back?
And your 2nd string QB. What was his injury? Also is he coming back next year?

I made the statement thinking this is not the strongest Knight team I have seen over the years, and I know it is just one game.  I would LOVE if they went deep in the playoffs and get more representation for the conference, as a Blueboy fan I am very envouis of the program that they run and wish we could duplicate it.

1st string QB is a 5th year senior and his football career is over.  The second stringer will be back next year (hopefully) and his injusry was an knee. 

As for other teams having injuries, was that sarcasm?  Every team deals with injuries, it how deep you can go and replace those players is the key.  I just think we had more than our fair share. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CCAlum23 on November 05, 2007, 03:37:24 PM
As you all can imagine I am a little disappointed like every one else on how Carroll ended there season!

Rogers got hurt in the second quarter of the Lawerance game. 2nd string Senior Qb also hurt his knee in the Lawerance game but played the whole 2nd half.  3rd string Senior Qb messed up his ankle early last week roller bladding!!!  So basically you lose 3 Senior QB's in 1 week! Which is nuts!!!! 

The freshman was on scout team all year and obviously probably thought he would never get a chance!  But you just never know!!!!

I was at the game and Carroll played extremely well in the 2nd half and I honestly thought the game was over!  But Lake Forest drove 90 yards in a minute and a half and won by 1 point! #7 Dan Carter tore us up on that drive!! I felt horrible for the seniors because they know they are a lot better than what they showed!

Injuries are horrible!  Carroll was also without 2 of there best athletes, (Saftey Issac Hamilton and Qb Chris Rogers)   

Good Luck to St. Norberts!!! I hope you guys get a home playoff game and represent the conference well! You never know what can happen in the playoffs!  Just like a few years back when they almost beat UW Lacrosse! It comes down to what team wants it more!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2007, 06:13:27 AM
Quote from: CCAlum23 on November 05, 2007, 03:37:24 PM
As you all can imagine I am a little disappointed like every one else on how Carroll ended there season!
Injuries are frustrating but don't speak for everyone as I wasn't disappointed how Carroll ended THEIR season. Despite a poor start this year Lake Forest is a good team so I don't know that it wouldn't have happened anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2007, 10:41:14 AM
A little late, but anyways...congrats to the Fighting Scots on another Turkey Bowl win against Knox.  That makes 9 in a row and no signs of slowing down--gotta make sure to hit double digits in the win streak next season. :)

Good luck to St. Norbert in the playoffs against whoever you get paired with.  A home playoff game would be great, but I guess what happes with that still remains to be seen with some big games around the west region left to be played this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 07, 2007, 02:10:51 PM
I am not sure I like having the 11th week as a bye. Way too quite around here. All waiting for Saturday night?

Where can I get the playoff brackets live?

And if you say check the home page of this site........that is where I am heading next. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 07, 2007, 02:56:06 PM
SNCOLDAD - You can get the brackets live on ESPNU, Sunday morning at 11:30 am ET (10:30 am for those of us here in the MWC).  And yes I found that on the homepage of the site. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 11, 2007, 12:29:13 PM
     WOW!  Not the way I or anybody imagined SNC getting a home game.  Good luck Knights next Saturday.  I'll be there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 11, 2007, 02:24:29 PM
You go tthat right Papa. This is a real shakup as far as this rookie can tell. I can only think that they re-evaluated and decided that the West had a ton of teams that were deserving and had to shakeup the whole bracketing. Who would have thought that a team in the "West" could get to the final 4 without going through Whitewater. Congrats to all teams and good luck. Especially to those guys in De Pere.
And Dan, your brother owes me big time now.   :)  He can try to explain. Don't let him off too easy but it really was no big deal.  ;D

Good luck guys and work hard like always.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on November 11, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
Wow---there was no way I was expecting the bracket that D3 released but am very happy to see it ;D
Good luck on Saturday to the Green Knights and thank you for working so hard this season to get us (as fans) another chance to cheer you on at home!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2007, 08:41:54 AM
Finally had the chance to look at the bracket. WOW is right. It rates a 9.5 on the fairness scale. Not only that but I think St. Norbert has a chance to make some noise; which would be great for the MWC. Although I'm sure the BlueGolds will have something to say about it.

I'm guessing that Football St. got moved out of region in order to set up another rematch with Whitewater. Why not just schedule a basketball game so UWW could finally beat them ??

Seriously though, the brackets are not only fair but I'd say they are very balanced as well. It doesn't appear that any of the #1s have byes to the semis this year.
Title: Calling all SNC Fans..........
Post by: qbfan413 on November 14, 2007, 09:12:37 AM
Well, what does everyone thing about this Saturday's matchup with SNC and UWEC?  To all the fans a reminder that the game is at noon and advance ticket sales are being held through the SNC ticket office.
Go Knights!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on November 14, 2007, 02:04:17 PM
Norbert loses by 3 td's and the MWC's football struggles continue
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ticker on November 14, 2007, 02:21:55 PM
Good luck Knights
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 14, 2007, 03:13:18 PM
If, and that is a big IF, both teams play the game they are capable of playing, I believe it will be an SNC victory. If SNC has a fair game and UWEC plays to their capabilities, it will be a closer game, but I again think SNC pulls out the victory. My opinion is that UWEC has to play a great game and SNC has to struggle for EC to win.

You asked. That is what I think. I do not believe that EC can hold the offense of SNC for very long. I think EC may score early, but the SNC Defense will adjust and slowly shut them down. SNC just needs to weather the storm early.

Now let's see what I expect to happen, will.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 14, 2007, 08:45:19 PM
Nothing wrong with picking with your heart SNCdad, but I will warn you that you are going to see a whole other level of DIII football this weekend. Due to their better overall depth, UWEC will exploit the smallest mistakes or lapses in effort in ways MWC squads cannot. In my opinion, SNC has had much better squads than this year's team go to the playoffs, some got beat handily and others played well (and 1 won a game). With that being said, the DIII superpowers don't seem as super as they use to in many cases, so I expect SNC to be in this game. Putrill's playoff history suggests he will find the endzone early and that will be the key. SNC plays very well at home and if they can take an early lead it will do wonders for their confidence. It also seems like a good matchup because UWEC doesn't appear to have a lot of firepower on offense, but you have to take into account that is against WIAC defenses.

I'll say SNC leads 14-7 at half and someone wins 24-17...not sure yet  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2007, 10:06:15 AM
St. Norbert isn't at the same level as Whitewater (most of D3 isn't) but I think you can argue that they are comparable to the rest of the WIAC. Somebody must think so or UWEC could have just as easily hosted this game and I doubt anyone would have complained. Instead there would be talk about how glad the SNC fans were to skip Whitewater or St. Johns in the first round for a change.

That being said the fix must be in. Roop Vegas puts the over/under at 83. The "inside" scoop says to watch for a late botched FG to keep it a push. Just to be consistent take SNC -2.5
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on November 15, 2007, 02:25:30 PM
I don't think any team would want to match up with Whitewater or Mount Union and as a loyal SNC fan I was thrilled.  I would love to play them (Whitewater) again this year to see where they stand with the different players and another year of experience for each team...........HOWEVER..........not in the first round ;D

I am looking forward to a great game and SNC getting the opportunity to stop the never ending talk about being at a lower level than the other teams.  Personally (I know I'm biased) I feel that they are a great team but because the conference has 1 or 2 good teams and the rest tend to tank out each year they don't get the respect that other conference title holders do.  That said, 2 undefeated regular seasons of play is something to be proud of.........regardless of the conference or teams played.......they still had to show up, play well, and kick some *&^^%%

PS.  Roop, great Vegas odds....makes me feel like I'm in the sportbar laying down a bet
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on November 15, 2007, 10:05:58 PM
The Knights WIth Another Chance
or How I Kill Time Until Saturday, very loosely based on Casey at the Bat

Driving west, as eve on that September night broke,
     wondering were these WIACer's only blowing smoke?
Forgot his foot, our punter did.
     The O and D just ran and hid.

"96 block a kick!", "Josh pancake someone flat!"
     Unfortunate for SNC, there was none of that.
The cannon roared, what an abhorrental gun!
     And when the dust finally cleared, the Knights were O and one.

At season's end to LaCrosse we went.
     To prove themselves, our boys hell-bent
Three quarters plus they, the Knights did not stumble.
     In the stands, "Or-e-gon or bust." the fans began to mumble.

Then, he unnamed, drew that flag, no sense.
     Our side, as one, painfully, began to tense.
Even as the O went lame, no one thought to boo.
     At cold day's end, the Knights record, a sullen O and two.

September next, a home game relief.
     A Knight's win in DePere was my true belief
At Minnihan the fight song, games end, is always sung.
     There the booming victory bell is ever loudly rung.

A brand new year, a brand new game.
     The stats were different, results the same.
The bell was silent, no song sung with glee.
    The Knights still at O, the WIAC holding three.

This season's end, the season's start forgot.
     Hope springs anew for the DePere lot.
In them the Beaver held no respect.
     He did not play, they still were wrecked.

Out-everythinged, but not outclassed,
     our Knights played hard to the last.
That insidious cannon rang out six? seven? eight times more.
     Almost unbear-able now, the Knights at O and four.

The outlook isn't brilliant for the SN Knights this day.
     Their WIAC record is none and four with the Blugolds on their way.
I think if only Casey could get a chance to run.
     But alas, good Meehan's starlit career, already two years done.

Pinto, Koonce and Rentmeester, stalwart defenders of the past,
     who today will stand up in their place and hold the line stedfast?
Hartman's drive and TJ's speed, sights no longer seen.
     A new group now carr-ies the flag of the gold and green.

Who holds the "chubby girl" parties since the VMC Four left the dorm?
     Which unkown soldiers drown their sorrows in this same pathetic form?
The boys from Burke seemed to always, carelessly enjoy their fun.
     Saturday was game face time, shown in all the games they won.

It's third and goal, east endzone, who's firming up the wall?
     It's fourth and one, game on the line, who's carrying the ball?
The time is now, now is your time to write another chapter to the story.
     Achieve the feat and the Knights of old will celebrate your glory!

Cody, Judd and Jay the leaders, by themselves this can't be done!
     A singular force and nothing less will get this battle won!
Strike hard and fast, relentless, hang a hundo half or worse!
     Give it your all, fight to the end, then let this be your next verse...

Oh somewhere in this land of cheese, the Old Style's smelling sweet.
     The polkas play, the deer fall fast, smiles on everyone you meet.
The air is crisp, the sky is bright, children laugh and shout.
But there is no joy in Eau Claire...
THE GREEN KNIGHTS HAVE WON OUT!




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2007, 09:31:22 AM
Well I'm sure that rendition will be as successful as Geri Halliwells solo career was in America.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: qbfan413 on November 17, 2007, 04:47:59 PM
Eau Claire 24 St. Norbert 20

To all of the Green Knight men and my favorite of all Cody Craig #6, my baby brother:

Thank you for yet another opportunity to cheer, stomp on the bleachers, and scream.  I've enjoyed each game this season (and over the past 4 years).  I greatly appreciate all of the hard work and dedication you've put into your college football careers and am honored to call myself a fan of the Green Knights.

THANK YOU!!!!!! :)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bulk19 on November 17, 2007, 07:03:14 PM
Congratulations to the Green Knights - you guys were a worthy and formidable opponent for the Blugolds; the game could have gone either way... Had UWEC not won, I'd be pulling for you the rest of the way...

gbfan413 - fans like you who go nuts supporting your teams are what make D3 football the best! Seeing your thoughts about thanking your team are much appreciated by this poster, since it shows class... And I am sure "baby brother," his teammates and the players you've followed the last four years will appreciate your sentiments, too...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
GO GREEN KNIGHTS!

This year it is not that hard to post after a playoff loss. As a freshman dad, I hope to have 3 more years to cheer on my son and his team. Not saying they will be in the playoffs every year, but I can hope for that. Who I feel bad for are the seniors and their parents. All teams that lost yesterday included.

But in just 11 weeks I made new friends that it will be a long time to forget, if ever. The senior parents are the best. You made my wife and I welcome right away at the first road game when you said, "your son is a freshman and traveling with the Knights? That is GREAT!" I am not sure I understood fully what you meant at that game in Grinnell, but I think I understand now. Thank you. I only hope I can carry on some of what you all have done for the Knights Football.

To ALL the seniors on the SNC Football Team. Outstanding year guys! Do not let one game take away from the tremendous success you have brought to a tradition I could not understand until this past week. And I know some of you read this board. ( and thanks for introducing my son to the SNC football mentality) I hope to see each and every one of you at a tailgate party over the next few years, just as I saw some past players tailgating next to me yesterday.

I want to challenge all other teams in the Midwest Conference. Yesterday was the first round of playoffs. This is not just anything. This was the NCAA Division III Football Playoffs. Where were you? Build that program. Strive to be the best. 52 players from your conference felt what it is like to experience this. Next year it would be great if it was 104 players knowing what it is like to be in the NCAA D III Playoffs. What an experience for all.

Congratulations to UWEC. I will cheer for you next Saturday. But next Saturday will be different.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 01:00:51 PM
Today let us remember our Soldiers and Sailors who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor and those who survived the attack in our prayers and thoughts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ghostrider on December 16, 2007, 06:25:01 PM
Anyone know what the scoop at Grinnell is? Have they begun interviews? Who is in the mix?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: stanbob on December 16, 2007, 07:07:37 PM
This is a active board?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 17, 2007, 11:26:35 AM
Quote from: stanbob on December 16, 2007, 07:07:37 PM
This is a active board?

Not very much so during the off-season unfortunately.

That being said, are there any Grinnell posters that have any info to pass along?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 17, 2008, 02:36:23 PM
Well it's now been a month between posts. :o 

Anyone alive out there with anything to comment on??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfbdad on January 18, 2008, 12:38:41 PM
Is it true the NCAA is looking into creating  a division 4 has anyone heard any talk of this?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cawcdad on January 19, 2008, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: mwcfbdad on January 18, 2008, 12:38:41 PM
Is it true the NCAA is looking into creating  a division 4 has anyone heard any talk of this?
Talk about this has been going on for over a year on this site in the General Division III Issues (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1495.0) board with Future of Division III thread (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.0)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on January 21, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
Grinnell finally hired a new coach...anyone know anything about him?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 22, 2008, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on January 21, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
Grinnell finally hired a new coach...anyone know anything about him?

From the story that is on the MWC website, it sounds as if he has a solid offensive reputation as a coach.  But the question that has plagued the Pioneers still remains...can they get it done on defense and actually stop anyone from scoring?

In other news, congrats to former MC Fighting Scot Mitch Tanney on signing with the Tampa Bay Storm of the Arena Football League.  That's a nice step up from playing last year for the Alabama Steeldogs of the af2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2008, 12:27:08 AM
Quote from: Maverick on January 22, 2008, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on January 21, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
Grinnell finally hired a new coach...anyone know anything about him?

From the story that is on the MWC website, it sounds as if he has a solid offensive reputation as a coach.  But the question that has plagued the Pioneers still remains...can they get it done on defense and actually stop anyone from scoring?

In other news, congrats to former MC Fighting Scot Mitch Tanney on signing with the Tampa Bay Storm of the Arena Football League.  That's a nice step up from playing last year for the Alabama Steeldogs of the af2.

That is definitely impressive. Arena1 is a big deal. Congrats!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2008, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: Maverick on January 22, 2008, 01:02:28 PM
...
In other news, congrats to former MC Fighting Scot Mitch Tanney on signing with the Tampa Bay Storm of the Arena Football League.  That's a nice step up from playing last year for the Alabama Steeldogs of the af2.
Tampa Bay Storm Head Coach Tim Marcum (http://www.tampabaystorm.com/storm/sub.cfm?pageid=1315) is a McMurry grad.
Title: Chicago U
Post by: rome on February 20, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Can anyone tell me:1 the last season the Maroons played in the MWC & 2. Why they left?

It seems that UC and the MWC are a perfect fit and would help to lead to going back to the old 12 team format and a conference championship game--something I would really want to see.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on February 20, 2008, 04:17:54 PM
Rome I cannot tell you last time UC played someone in the MWC, however there was talk a few years back when I played in the MWC about expanding the league again - however most of the teams that were mentioned are now in a new conference so I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Chicago U
Post by: Maverick on February 22, 2008, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: rome on February 20, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Can anyone tell me:1 the last season the Maroons played in the MWC & 2. Why they left?

It seems that UC and the MWC are a perfect fit and would help to lead to going back to the old 12 team format and a conference championship game--something I would really want to see.

rome - The last season that U-Chicago was in the MWC was 1986, but I don't know what the reason was for them leaving the conference.  I think the current set-up for the MWC is just fine: 10 teams, you play everyone each season, and whoever comes out of all those games is the champ; plus it allows for teams to play a non-conference game as well each year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Emmys First Class on February 28, 2008, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: 1morefan on February 20, 2008, 04:17:54 PM
Rome I cannot tell you last time UC played someone in the MWC
Lake Forest lost 34-3 to  UC in 2001, but if they(UC) leave that conf. they are left with only 3 teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on March 10, 2008, 07:10:29 AM
President J. Burris has resigned at Beloit--could this mean a return to an athletic commitment not seen since the 90s....in D3 the President means everything and one that approves of the benefits athletics brings to a campus will help a school like Beloit----I hope good things are coming....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: old 40 on March 31, 2008, 04:37:51 PM
Has anyone from Illinois College heard anything about who the candidates for the Head coach job? A Jacksonville source said they have several candidates and that Bob Frye (former MacMurray coach) is in the mix as is a former player who is a coorindator with one of the Midwest conference schools. Any real news on the situation?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 01, 2008, 03:30:30 PM
Quote from: old 40 on March 31, 2008, 04:37:51 PM
Has anyone from Illinois College heard anything about who the candidates for the Head coach job? A Jacksonville source said they have several candidates and that Bob Frye (former MacMurray coach) is in the mix as is a former player who is a coorindator with one of the Midwest conference schools. Any real news on the situation?

old 40 - Haven't heard anything concrete, but I think I may have an idea on the coordinator you mentioned.
Title: Re: Chicago U
Post by: The Roop on April 22, 2008, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: Maverick on February 22, 2008, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: rome on February 20, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Can anyone tell me:1 the last season the Maroons played in the MWC & 2. Why they left?

It seems that UC and the MWC are a perfect fit and would help to lead to going back to the old 12 team format and a conference championship game--something I would really want to see.

rome - The last season that U-Chicago was in the MWC was 1986, but I don't know what the reason was for them leaving the conference.  I think the current set-up for the MWC is just fine: 10 teams, you play everyone each season, and whoever comes out of all those games is the champ; plus it allows for teams to play a non-conference game as well each year.

At the time the U of Chicago was considering a move to D1. Then the UAA was formed in 88 or 89 and they went there instead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 1morefan on April 30, 2008, 09:33:12 AM
I'd like to be the first to congratulate Tyler Vogds on getting an invite to the Vikings mini-camp this weekend, congrats TVO - also heard that Carroll TE Josh Gould will be attending the same mini-camp, if so best of luck to the two of these guys! It's a great opportunity for both of them! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
In the month of May the VFW distributes Buddy Poppies.  Please take time to give a dollar and take a poppy.  The proceeds of this go to aid the  Disabled Vets  (http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=cmty.levelc&cid=127&tok=1)

Mike Dougherty
Commander VFW Memorial Post 3776
Secaucus NJ


In Flander's Field
by John McCrae
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow,
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead.
Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved and now we lie,
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw,
The torch, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us, who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 03, 2008, 08:30:08 AM
Illinois College has hired a new football coach:

http://www.midwestconference.org/football/ICcampbell.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on June 04, 2008, 03:04:50 PM
I'll imagine the AfroCentric colors on the gowns helped a lot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 06, 2008, 06:22:49 AM
News on 2 prep players headed Carroll's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=759157

("Pius picks" and "Hale players also decide" sections.)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on June 10, 2008, 02:20:20 PM
MIDWEST CONFERENCE HISTORY BOOK: NO ORDINARY CONFERENCE 
                 
George Drake, a former Midwest Conference student-athlete and 1956 Grinnell College graduate, has culminated a project he calls "a labor of love" with the completion of the 100-page soft cover book No Ordinary Conference, an introspective history of the Midwest Conference. The Midwest Conference office is making the book available to the general public at a discounted price via the Order Form linked below for a limited time only (a small number of copies may be available at full price after the ship date). Orders are expected to ship in September. 

Drake, who remains a professor at his alma mater, teamed with 2001 Grinnell grad John Aerni to provide a unique look at the league's history through interviews with Midwest Conference student-athletes and unprecedented access to league minutes. 

No Ordinary Conference includes the accounts of numerous student-athletes and chronicles over 80 years of history from the league's formation through the men's and women's conference unification and beyond. No Ordinary Conference also features a 34-page photo gallery of some of the conference's all-time great athletes, coaches and administrators.

Click below for No Ordinary Conference Order Form:
http://www.midwestconference.org/MWC_Book_OF.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 30, 2008, 08:51:10 AM
Here's an article on a prep player headed Grinnell's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=767296
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on July 15, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
Always seems to be a lack of postings during the summer.  What gives?  Lots of stuff going on in MWC football lately.

Just got done reading Out Of The Comfort Zone by Frank Agin (the one advertised on d3football.com's home page).  I thought it was a great read.  It's a book that any Beloit Buc would definately appreciate.  Also has good accounts of Ripon and Lawrence back when Lawrence used to be the powerhouse.  It's interesting how over the years, many Lawrence and Ripon posters have bad-mouthed St. Norbert players, coaches, etc. of being jerks (to put it nicely).  This book depicts the 1980's Lawrence teams in the same light. All of that aside, I recommend this book to any ex-Midwest Conferencers (?).

The new field turf in Ripon looks really good.  Ingalls Field almost looks like a decent facility now.  Major improvement.

Congrats to former Green Knight Bob Latterman and his new coaching position at Carroll.

Congrats to Coach Howard and his promotion at Lawrence.

Any word on Tyler Vogds?  How is he doing?

How about Mitch Tanney?  Still in the AFL?

Lots of coaching moves.  No comments?  I hear that St. Norbert is going to have the former head coach from Ashwaubenon on the coaching staff this fall.  Is that true?

Bob Forstrom is still kicking for the Blizzard.  How does he like it?  It obviously must be going well if he's been doing it for two years.  What are his goals?  Any chance of AFL?

I would love to discuss any and all topics.  In the past, the MWC has been bashed by other posters from other conferences.  I'd love to brag up the good things that are happening.

Peace out boy scouts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 16, 2008, 11:08:29 PM
Ill talk pigskin with you ahig

All the good things you mentioned aside, who is your team and who is your pick to win the MWC this season?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on July 16, 2008, 11:56:36 PM
A couple things from the Monmouth point of view...

The renovation of the stadium looks like it's coming along nicely and the new bleachers/press box should be a nice upgrade going into the 2008 season.  Can't wait til the whole project is complete for the 2009 season with the new field turf going in.

Don't think Mitch Tanney is with anyone in the AFL right now.  He had been with the Tampa Bay Storm early in the year, then was with the Philadelphia Soul for awhile mid-way through the season, but haven't heard his name mentioned with any teams since then.  Nate Palkovic is kicking for the Peoria Pirates of the af2--he started the season with them, then didn't kick for a few games (not sure why), but now has kicked during the last couple of games for Peoria.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on July 18, 2008, 02:46:30 PM
Thanks for the Monmouth updates Maverick.  Any pictures of the upgrade on line?  Good to hear of another ex-MWC in af2.

fightintitan, I've got to go with the historical favorite in SNC.  However, they've got to get over this first round playoff hump this year.  Or someone from the MWC does.  That UWEC game last year was well played and exciting, but a heartbreaker.  I love the fact that Norbert has Wartburg scheduled for its non-conference game.  I see the Knights winning, but necessarily the Knights of the Green persuasion.

I'm not as educated about the Illinois and Iowa schools as I should be, so I also have to throw my support Carroll's way.  It just seems like that program has been doing a lot of good things in recent years and I think it might be their time.

I've also got to throw love Howard's way at Lawrence.  I'd like to see them tear it up, but it still seems like numbers are an issue there.

I'm sure Monmouth will be as tough as ever this year, but again I'm not as educated as I should be on teams south of the Toll Free Line.

The season is creeping up.  Getting excited.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on July 22, 2008, 07:19:48 PM
Link to pics of the MC field renovation: http://www.monm.edu/slideshows/football-field1.htm

I took some pics with my phone a couple weeks ago, but I think the pictures on the MC website are a little clearer. ;)

I'll keep up the Monmouth updates if I hear of any as the season keeps getting closer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on July 24, 2008, 03:27:04 AM
http://ripon.edu/athletics/football/2008/News/2008_Season_Preview.html

Ripon preview is up
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on July 25, 2008, 12:00:28 AM
Non-conference matchups:

I like the way the conference is headed with some tough scheduling.

St. Norbert vs. Wartburg - I wish it were going to be televised.
Ripon vs. UW-Oshkosh - a natural rivalry resurrected last year.  Hope it continues.  Any chance for the RedHawks to steal one in OshVegas?
What are the feelings on the other matchups.  Lots of struggling IIAC teams (from the '07 perspective) but is the IIAC still a superior conference to the MWC?
Predictions?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on July 25, 2008, 03:18:20 AM
Norbert's will have a rough time w/o Craig and O'Connell. Though I don't think Wartburg is as tough as they used to be. Should be a good game.

Oshkosh lost their starting QB and RB, but they're always going to be a tough match-up for Ripon. Although the last two year's scores should not have been that lopsided. If any year is the Red Hawks year to beat them, it's now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on July 27, 2008, 12:28:55 PM
Im not sure that Wartburg has really fallen that much, but moreso that the rest of the IIAC has improved.

I see Wartburg winning at home over St. Norbert, but the SNC defense should keep them in the game for a while.

I think there was a time when the thought was that the last place CCIW and IIAC schools could beat the MWC champ...not sure that is the case as much anymore, but the MWC has a chance to prove its worth a little bit if it can beat schools like Loras, North Park and Millikin this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2008, 07:24:02 PM
I doubt there was a time when North Park was considered likely to beat the MWC champ.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 27, 2008, 08:22:46 PM
We will get top and bottom clashes between the MWC and the IIAC this year.  Defending MWC champ St. Norbert plays Wartburg who has finished 2nd in the IIAC the last 2 years.  And Cornell, who has won 2 IIAC games over the last 4 seasons will take on Grinnell, a team that is usually near the bottom of the MWC.  It should be fun to see how the teams stack up this coming year. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on August 14, 2008, 12:50:03 AM
You folks awake yet?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on August 14, 2008, 12:50:52 AM
Cornell fans are wondering how the Pioneers look this year...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2008, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2008, 07:24:02 PM
I doubt there was a time when North Park was considered likely to beat the MWC champ.

Somehow missed this before.

There was A time - 1968.  The Vikes tied for second in the CCIW, with a 5-2 record including a win over Augustana with future NFL all-pro qb Ken Anderson.

Now it is, alas, true that that constitutes a noticeable percentage of their conference wins over the last 46 years, but, still, there was A time! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2008, 02:47:14 AM
Don't know much about Ripon 1968 but they would have to be a component in that equation too, no?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2008, 07:16:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2008, 02:47:14 AM
Don't know much about Ripon 1968 but they would have to be a component in that equation too, no?

Since the context was 'last-place CCIW teams', the Parkers wouldn't be relevant that year anyway.  And that being the era of the 'big four, little four' (even if NPC snuck in for a season), I have no doubt that our worst could lose to the MWC champ! :D

Recently, there is no way that NPU would beat the MWC champ (though they might give the 3rd or 4th place team quite a game), and they WILL win a conference game before the decade is out! :o

BTW, 1968: IWU 34, NPC 7. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2008, 10:33:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2008, 07:16:06 PM
BTW, 1968: IWU 34, NPC 7. ;)

The Midwest Conference board cares deeply about that result. Is it the last IWU football game you've seen, btw? :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 15, 2008, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2008, 10:33:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2008, 07:16:06 PM
BTW, 1968: IWU 34, NPC 7. ;)

The Midwest Conference board cares deeply about that result. Is it the last IWU football game you've seen, btw? :)

Nah - I saw all the games in 1969!  I'll be in Holland on Sept. 6 to see the Titans knock off the Dutch - I wonder if 39 years between games is a record? :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 17, 2008, 11:22:50 AM
Conference coaches poll came out...anyone think Monmouth or Ripon can unseat St. Norbert?

1. St. Norbert (7)
2. Monmouth (3)
3. Ripon
4. Lake Forest
5. Carroll
6. Illinois College
7. Lawrence
8. Beloit
9. Knox
10. Grinnell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 20, 2008, 02:41:35 PM
fightintitan - Very chatty, as usual, here on the MWC board. ;)  To answer your question, I think either one of Monmouth or Ripon could knock St. Norbert from the top spot this year.  With the amount of starters and returning talent on both squads, coupled with fewer returning starters on both sides of the ball for SNC, this could be a year that they don't win the conference title.  But the Knights do have a strong run game coming back along with that winning attitude where they just re-load rather than re-build from year to year.  St. Norbert is still the favorite, as the coaches showed with the voting in the coaches poll,  but it appears to be a wide open race when you figure in other areas.  Lake Forest or Carroll could factor in the race, but both will have to win games on the road at the other top 3 contenders to do so--a very tall task for anyone.  As for the top 3, none have a distinct home-field advantage in their 2 meetings with the others as each plays one home and one road vs. each other (SNC - home vs. MC, road @ RC; MC - road @ SNC, home vs. RC; RC - road @ MC, home vs. SNC), so that could be a factor as well.  The match-ups between SNC, MC, and RC will certainly loom large as the season rolls along and should eventually determine who comes out on top this season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 28, 2008, 02:05:18 PM
Well, it is about time. I am starting to get this itch to hit the road every weekend.  I agree that this could be a very interesting year. SNC starting out on the road at Wartburg. That is going to be a GAME! SNC will repeat I think. The defense is very strong and outside of WR and QB, the offense has alot of returners if I remember correctly. I also like SNC conference schedule as far as home vs. away. Only long trip for conference is Knox. I also know that if there are any cobwebs at the start of the season, the Wartburg game will clear those real quick.

Tailgaters for SNC, speak up! Let's make sure we all connect pre-game.

Cheer on your favorite Midwest Conference Team and let the show begin.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on August 29, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
Well, it's about time for football season and the future is certainly brighter here at LU.  We have lots of starters returning and a coaching staff that has worked together for a year.  It would be a real accomplishment to have a winning conference record for the first time in a very long while.  It doesn't help that the first 2 games are against the best teams in the conference.  I wish LU would play their non-conference game at the beginning of the year so they could have some experience before taking on Monmouth and St. Norbert.  It will be tough enough taking on the Scots, but it gets even tougher when Monmouth will have a game under their belts and LU will be playing their first game of the year.  Oh well, here's to a great season!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on August 29, 2008, 02:07:38 PM
wc2viking-

What's the best way to get to the Banta this fall with the bridge construction on College Ave?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 29, 2008, 05:56:59 PM
swim
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on August 30, 2008, 09:51:46 AM
Been following the boards and glad to see some people getting excited about the new season.  Interesting to hear everyone's input on the new year but how can you argue with picking SNC to be the favorite??  The Wartburg game will be a great test to see where they stand and I believe the season will be told when Monmouth travels north to De Pere.  Purtill & Co. needs to avoid that one game they seem to lay an egg each year (IC in 07, Lake Forest in 06,Carroll in 04, etc. etc.  Let's hear some thoughts with game day being only  a week away!

Btw....about time you get back on board SNC OL DAD ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 30, 2008, 12:14:22 PM
Let's get this board going!  :D  The Monmouth game will be a key game, but I will not look past our visit to Lawrence believe it or not. They can catch you unaware this year. Also what will Grinell and IC throw at us. New coaches, right?
I want the full roster posted and the 2 deep. Gee, I wonder why!   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on August 30, 2008, 08:25:36 PM
I am all with you on that one, oldad.  Lawrence is still growing and they just don't have the athletes yet to play an all-out blitz/man-to-man defense every play of the game like Coach Howard loves to do.  Very effective defense but just tough to do without having the athletes....they will turn the corner soon. 

As far as the two-deep/roster, don't hold your breath.  Go figure that good ol' snc is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to releasing anything new about this year. ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 01, 2008, 03:22:50 AM
Let us not forget that "The Roop" helped Beloit find a Big Ten recruit. So I'm thinking they will do better than 8th place; as per the conference poll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 01, 2008, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 01, 2008, 03:22:50 AM
Let us not forget that "The Roop" helped Beloit find a Big Ten recruit. So I'm thinking they will do better than 8th place; as per the conference poll.

Who?????????  What position? From where?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 01, 2008, 10:21:39 AM
The game at Beloit is going to be huge! Oh, I mean the tailgating before the game.  ;D Definitely the closet game for lots of friends and family so we should have a larger than normal road following that game.

Also, who is going to Wartburg besides me??? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 01, 2008, 11:22:31 AM
So what is the beverage of choice for SNC Green Knight fans who may be making their way to Wartburg this weekend?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 01, 2008, 11:39:25 AM
Warthog, Can you provide some info on facilities? Like parking for tailgating? Rules of the facility on beverages, etc. Any info would be appreciated. Most of the SNC fans are Cheeseheads.  :D I am one of the few non-cheeseheads in the group. So I would have to say that beer and brats are pretty high on the list of tailgate favorites, but we all have our own.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 01, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
SNCOLDAD:

I would refer you to the Wartburg Athletics web-site: www.go-knights.net . The 4th item on the menu bar is Athletic Facilities.  When you click that item, the first choice is the athletics parking map.

There are several decent tailgating areas.  Lot "O" has traditionally been a popular spot.  Last year it was out of commission because that is where construction trailers and building materials were kept while the new athletic/wellness building was going up.  It may or may not be ready for pre-game partying this season.  The next spot would be the park area just north of Lot "C" (the porta potties are located close). There is also a small green area to set up between Lot "C" and 5th Avenue.  Finally the area south of Wilson Avenue and west of Lot "B" is available, but there isn't much shade or grass there.  Generally try to avoid the parking lot right next to the stadium.  They are keeping that lot open for people using the wellness center and I would guess tailgating wouldn't be welcomed there.

I'm sure you will find Wartburg fans to be a friendly group of people.  We enjoy talking D3 football, tailgating, the Knights (the orange variety) and meeting the fans from other schools.

The tailgate menu you see will be mostly grilled items such as brats, hotdogs, and pork tenderloins.  You will find plenty of people setting up camp with grills, coolers, tables, chairs and yard games.  The beverages of choice are beer and soft drinks.  On occasion I've been known to enjoy a Bloody Mary.

In my opinion the college is very fair to fans and tailgaters.  The campus security and Waverly police allow everyone to have a good time, but on the rare occasion a mean spirited drunk shows up, they have no problem removing that person from the stadium or tailgate areas.  After all this is to be a family event, so don't expect the same behavior you would see in Madison or Iowa City.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 01, 2008, 02:53:37 PM
Warthog, thanks for the info. We are a friendly group also. I have also been known to have a Bloody once in a while. I have been informed by my older son that he will be attanding with 2 friends. My son will be Green. The young lady with them will be Orange as she graduated from Wartburg. And her husband will be split half Orage and half Green. Should be an interesting site. Out road group is very friendly and we set up after the game to feed the team before their bus ride home. Tradition started way before me. I will check out the map and see what looks good. Where are the visitor lockers. If there is a spot close th there that may be best.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 02, 2008, 11:16:23 AM
T - 4 days till kick off!  I can't wait to see the RedHawks face Oshkosh for their first game of the season.  Should be a good game, last year Ripon was able to stay with them until half time, I am hoping that this year we are able to play the whole game with them.  Team is looking good!  Have a great week!  I'll talk to you soon!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on September 02, 2008, 11:46:35 AM
My first post ever... what to say?  Well lets start by wishing everyone's team good luck on this new season.  I played at Carroll for the past 4 years, and now as an alumni I feel that I should get involved in conference gossip.  We've all seen the pre-season rankings, but we shouldn't put too much stock in them.  After all, it just seems like the pre-season mirrors how the last season finished up.  I feel that I can offer some insight on this season because I am only a year removed and have played against most of players in the conference.  Monmouth seems stacked.  A good freshman year for Tanney can only mean good things to come.  Not to mention 20 returning starters.  It's hard to take away from experience.  I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I just don't know how Norbert is going to pull it off this year.  Those guys there know how to win...no question.  But losing a great QB-WR combo will hurt.  Not to mention that Phillips isn't really a tackle-to-tackle runner.  Get him in the open field - watch out, but that can be stopped.  Now I could review each team but everyone seems intent on hyping Norbert and Monmouth so I figured I'd do the same.  Onto my boys!  A lot of athleticism for the Wi-Pis this year.  Some veteran losses at important positions but I think they'll put things together and have a great season.  Overall I think the conference is up for grabs this year... expect for Lawrence, Beloit, Grinnell, and Knox.  Sorry!  The academic requirements there are just too strict to get any surplus of high school talent.  As you all continue to chat it up on here, keep in mind that there isn't really any home field advantage in the MWC.  Sure it sucked when we had to drive to IC, MC, and KC because the overnights slightly changed our routines, but this isn't D1.  The 4,000 fans that "pack" our stadiums don't really change games.  And now the playing surfaces won't give any advantage because almost every team has field turf.  Trust me from my experiences in the conference... don't put too much stock into travel.  Well I guess that sums it up for my first post.  Good luck to every team this year.  Have fun and stay safe.  Cheer for YOUR team, not AGAINST the other teams.  Don't get your jollies from trying to embarrass college kids.  Sorry Norbert but that cheer you do after your victories "Yes that is the winning team, Yes that is the losing team" is high schoolishly immature.  You've won a lot of games in that program.  Act like you've done it before.  Sorry for the rant.  Be in touch and we'll have a drink on me when you come to Waukesha.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2008, 12:10:19 PM
Welcome to the new posters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 02, 2008, 08:09:12 PM
Quote from: piopride10 on September 02, 2008, 11:46:35 AM
Sorry Norbert but that cheer you do after your victories "Yes that is the winning team, Yes that is the losing team" is high schoolishly immature.  You've won a lot of games in that program.  Act like you've done it before.  Sorry for the rant.

Sorry for calling you out but I played there for 4 years and NEVER heard that chant ??? 

Although, I 100% agree with you when it comes to having no home field advantage in the MWC....well...unless you consider the "men" wearing kilts south of the border, pretty distracting and just plain weird to see for the first time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2008, 09:09:16 PM
piopride 10, I too will welcome you even though it is not my place. I am glad we have more MWC followers. I too was a little confused by the "Chant" comment, but since I am not a player I was not commenting. I am glad that someone else who played spoke up. I am sure others will also. I do have to make a comment or 2 about Carroll. Nice field and facility. Last year was the first I was with the team as a parent and I did like your facility. The tailgating was also very good. Also, I am from Illinois so I enjoyed a little shorter drive. But what really impressed me was Carrol's colors and emblem. BEARS all the way!!! :) I felt like I was cheering against the bears but thats OK. It is nice to know that there are some north of the border that enjoy Bears colors and emblem. :) Of course my son plays for the Green and Gold. :(

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 02, 2008, 09:17:49 PM
as an adament Packer fan and a student at Carroll (I don't play football, I run cross country) I have to point out that the logos are different. if you get an official Chicago Bears "C" and an official Carroll University "C" next to each other you will see a slight difference. there was an article in our student newspaper a year or two ago that went into great detail describing the differences. plus I think Chicago's blue is a little darker than ours.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2008, 09:57:34 PM
Thanks cornhusker, I figured they were not exact. But why would a school in Wisconsin, home of the Packers, have colors and emblem so close to the hated Bears. :)

???

It still does not change the fact that I am forced to wear Green and Gold on Saturdays.  :P What a parent will do for his children.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 03, 2008, 12:55:32 AM
The Bears used to have training camp at Carroll back in the day.

My dad also has to wear the rivals colors when he comes to my races.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on September 03, 2008, 09:19:25 AM
Sorry sncfballfan, I didn't mean to offend.  The SNC fans did the chant as they were running out the clock in last year's game.  It might have been the only time it has been done... sorry for the assumptions.  And as this post gets crowded with discussions about colors, I'm a huge Packer fan and I hate the color orange, yet I went to Carroll.  There must be something wrong with me. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on September 03, 2008, 12:26:50 PM
Back for another season......

1st off.... Good to have a bit of Carroll Love on this board.

2nd..... as a former player I have to disagree with the home field advantage comment as a blanket statement.  First, home field advantage applies for almost every team at least once a year.....homecomming.  Every team in the midwest conference (for the most part) puts on enough of a show and packs the place enough to make the homecomming crowd a valid factor in those particular games.  Second, I know I may sound like a bit of a homer, but when you are looking what schools like CU IC and Monmouth are doing with their facilities, you are begining to see that those places possess more of a "college football atmosphere" that translates to on the field intensity and excitement..... thats my two cents

3rd.... Is there anything better than the current bit of parody in the MWC.  the top 6 teams in the leauge go into this season with at least a faint possibility that a conference championship is a possibility..... That being said Monmouth is just sick and will take a flawless game to beat. 

Aright all.... lets have another great one this year.... Go Pios

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on September 03, 2008, 09:03:44 PM
Heard a story once that Carroll (the oldest school in Wisconsin) originally created the Bears current C and that the Bears bought the rights to it or paid to use it or some damn thing.  Any confirmation or correction?

Was or is anyone else a wee bit surprised to NOT see Wartburg/St. Norbert on the Around the Midwest "Big Games" segment?

Go Ripon, beat Oshkosh!

Go MWC, beat non-MWC!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 03, 2008, 09:21:56 PM
I never heard that about the "C" and the Bears. Would not doubt it though. SNC has had Green and Gold way before the Packers settled on those colors.
Wartburg - SNC game is probably only a big story if the Green Knights can upset the Orange Knights on their home field.

I tend to agree that Monmouth is in a very good position this year. That QB looked really good last year against SNC. But SNC's defense is probably even better than last year in spite of a couple key losses from graduation. If the SNC offense can click at all, the rest of the MWC will have to play a great game to beat them. The defense should keep them in just about any game they play.

Of course I am biased. That is the privilage of being a parent. I also will cheer for all MWC against all non-MWC. I want this conference to build a stronger reputation as a great football conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on September 04, 2008, 03:28:25 PM
Actually the football program goes (or went by when I was there) Black Knights.
I was very excited to see SNC scheduled for the opener. We're planning on it being a special year for the Knights and I'm happy to see a high quality opponent to measure ourselves up to to start the year. I'm usually a prick to opposing teams, but I have a lot of respect for programs with winning traditions. Good luck to you guys, but not that much luck  ;)

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 03, 2008, 09:21:56 PM
I never heard that about the "C" and the Bears. Would not doubt it though. SNC has had Green and Gold way before the Packers settled on those colors.
Wartburg - SNC game is probably only a big story if the Green Knights can upset the Orange Knights on their home field.

I tend to agree that Monmouth is in a very good position this year. That QB looked really good last year against SNC. But SNC's defense is probably even better than last year in spite of a couple key losses from graduation. If the SNC offense can click at all, the rest of the MWC will have to play a great game to beat them. The defense should keep them in just about any game they play.

Of course I am biased. That is the privilage of being a parent. I also will cheer for all MWC against all non-MWC. I want this conference to build a stronger reputation as a great football conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 04, 2008, 05:04:38 PM
WH, I too believe that having quality opponents as pre-conference games gets you ready and also let's you know where you stack up. This year and next will have tough opening games for both of us. Let's hope they are REAL good games. Good luck to you also, but more after the first game. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 04, 2008, 07:36:33 PM
First post: I am a Monmouth student so thats where most of my inside info is

To start off: Monmouth opens at Loras....could be a confidence builder if they win and snc loses

Norbert v Monmouth will decide the conference, seems like people have been saying that for like 5 years in a row now, MC has a bad history in De Pere as well, last visit was a blowout and the one before was a close comeback win when I felt they had a superior team

As far as Ripon, I don't think they can beat an MC team that is hungry for revenge from last year

If Tanney goes down, thats the season for Monmouth, the backup situation is terrible and the run game needs some work

Many know about Tanney (who has 3 years left) and his receivers(most have 2 or 3 years left sorry MWC), but the MC defense is nasty, the d-line is big and extremely athletic, the lbs are a veteran group with 4 seniors all who started, and the dbs are playmakers with great instincts and ball skills, this D could dominate many teams (though most of it will leave after this year good news MWC)

This is the year that if Norbert wins it I think they leave no doubt in my mind that have a superior program and coaching compared to the rest of the conference not just players.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2008, 07:45:23 PM
Can't tell you how happy I was to look at the Monmouth roster and find nobody named Garcia. Welcome aboard. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 04, 2008, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: ahig on August 29, 2008, 02:07:38 PM
wc2viking-

What's the best way to get to the Banta this fall with the bridge construction on College Ave?

Sorry for the late reply.  I haven't checked the board in a few days.  Cross the Lawe Street bridge and turn left on River Street.  Or swim  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 04, 2008, 10:05:15 PM
SNCOLDAD:

I'm sorry it took me so long to respond.  The visitor locker room at Wartburg is directly underneath the Wartburg bleachers on the west side of Walston Hoover.  I assume the team buses will be parked somewhere near Lot "O", so if you are going to set up for your postgame feed, that might not be too bad of location.  

I hope you have a safe trip.  We'll see you Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 05, 2008, 06:33:13 AM
A Milwaukee paper's take on the 5 in-Wisconsin Midwest Conference team:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=791133
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 05, 2008, 08:41:52 AM
SNC preview:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080905/GPG020102/809050635/1225/GPG02
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2008, 06:52:13 PM
Monmouth 24 - Loras 17

Way to go Scots! :)  Congrats on getting the season-opening win in Dubuque!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 06, 2008, 08:48:04 PM
Americas Team "The Beloit College" has continued where they left off last year and the streak is now at 2 following a 27-17 victory over visiting MacMurray College. A couple turnovers put the Bucs behind 10-0 in the 1st quarter but they scored the next 27 to take control. A couple late turnovers made the game a little more interesting than it should have been but the defense only gave up one big play in the 2nd half to close out the scoring.

My discovery, Derek Carrier, was thrown to 3 times but did not have any receptions. Although if D3 had review he'd have one for sure, the other two were not particularly well thrown; kinda windy today etc. Still, you've gotta love a freshman that can pancake DBs and push LBs around when called on to block. Didn't get any hits on special teams but he knows his assignments. Easy to see why D1s were interested in him.

In conclusion, while Beloit will not challenge for the MWC crown, they won't 3-peat a 1-9 record either. Next week @CU will be a good barometer on their predicted 8th place finish.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Wartburg Fan on September 07, 2008, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: Maverick on September 06, 2008, 06:52:13 PM
Monmouth 24 - Loras 17

Way to go Scots! :)  Congrats on getting the season-opening win in Dubuque!

Let me first state I'm a wartburg fan aka Evil Empire. ;D ;D ;D not that you could tell. I was surpise by the score as I thought Monmouth would win by more then 7. After the 2005 season when Monmouth took it to my Knight, I really stopped like them but always respected them.
Also was surpised by the score at the Wartburg/ St. Norbert game thought it would be closer even if the knight have 18 returning starters  mostly on D. But I have to agree with WH, we at the Evil Empire are expecting very good thing out of this team.

Good luck to everyone in the MWC for the rest of the season
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on September 07, 2008, 05:51:29 PM
Not too bad of a week for the MWC.  The conference wins 5 out of 9 games against some pretty decent competition.  I would have loved to see the Ripon game.  Can anybody fill me in on how the game shook down?  Pretty lopsided game to watch in Waukesha.  North Park looked pretty horrible and Carroll came out with some great intensity recovering 2 fumbles within NP's first 3 touches of the game.  QB Casper had a big day in his 2nd career start.  Still a lot of questions to be answered when conference play starts.  I love the nonconference games but lets gear up for this weekend when the games start meaning something.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 07, 2008, 08:24:34 PM
UWO/Ripon game looks like it was an instant classic with UWO up 14-0 until the Red Ducks put up a couple of late scores and tried to go for the win but the 2 pt conversion failed....

What's the word from the Green Knight side of things for those that went to the game???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on September 07, 2008, 08:30:36 PM
The UWO/Ripon game was an unbelievable game. The first half was rather boring and dominated by the defenses. Oshkosh, which is young this year, had a hard time moving the ball on ripon as they only had 250 yards total. Thats including the extra drives they obtained due to several To's by ripon.. Not sure how strong UWO will be this year, but Ripon looked pretty good. They should have come out on top. game was 7-7 early in the fourth, UWO took advantage of a kickoff out of bounds, and scored with 2 minutes left. The player, who also is the kicker, had a great return on the next kickoff, and Ripon scored with 44 seconds left. They went for the two point confersion and missed it by inches. Great game by both teams. The interesting aspect is that UWO scored on fourth and goal, and the same call. Crowd thought he was down, certainly ripon did, and it went the way for OSH. Ripon looks to have a nice team this year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 08, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Interesting decision for Ripon to go for two. I thought the old thinking of "go for the tie at home and the win on the road" went out the window when over-time was implemented.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 09, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: Wartburg Fan on September 07, 2008, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: Maverick on September 06, 2008, 06:52:13 PM
Monmouth 24 - Loras 17

Way to go Scots! :)  Congrats on getting the season-opening win in Dubuque!

Let me first state I'm a wartburg fan aka Evil Empire. ;D ;D ;D not that you could tell. I was surpise by the score as I thought Monmouth would win by more then 7. After the 2005 season when Monmouth took it to my Knight, I really stopped like them but always respected them.
Also was surpised by the score at the Wartburg/ St. Norbert game thought it would be closer even if the knight have 18 returning starters  mostly on D. But I have to agree with WH, we at the Evil Empire are expecting very good thing out of this team.

Good luck to everyone in the MWC for the rest of the season


The Monmouth offense looked offkey, a couple turnovers in their own territory, but they were able to take advantage of Loras turnovers better which is why the won.  The defense only allowed the Duhawks past the 50 once.  I think the Offense's performance may have been a first game kinda deal.  But you're right if you saw the game, especially from a Monmouth fan's standpoint it seemed like they should have won by more.

Good luck to Wartburg as well, wouldn't mind seeing a changing of the guard in the IIAC, would make the MWC look a little better too since they just easily beat one of our best two teams
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Wartburg Fan on September 09, 2008, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 09, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: Wartburg Fan on September 07, 2008, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: Maverick on September 06, 2008, 06:52:13 PM
Monmouth 24 - Loras 17

Way to go Scots! :)  Congrats on getting the season-opening win in Dubuque!

Let me first state I'm a wartburg fan aka Evil Empire. ;D ;D ;D not that you could tell. I was surpise by the score as I thought Monmouth would win by more then 7. After the 2005 season when Monmouth took it to my Knight, I really stopped like them but always respected them.
Also was surpised by the score at the Wartburg/ St. Norbert game thought it would be closer even if the knight have 18 returning starters  mostly on D. But I have to agree with WH, we at the Evil Empire are expecting very good thing out of this team.

Good luck to everyone in the MWC for the rest of the season


The Monmouth offense looked offkey, a couple turnovers in their own territory, but they were able to take advantage of Loras turnovers better which is why the won.  The defense only allowed the Duhawks past the 50 once.  I think the Offense's performance may have been a first game kinda deal.  But you're right if you saw the game, especially from a Monmouth fan's standpoint it seemed like they should have won by more.

Good luck to Wartburg as well, wouldn't mind seeing a changing of the guard in the IIAC, would make the MWC look a little better too since they just easily beat one of our best two teams

First of all I need to say I'm sorry it wasn't Monmouth that beat the Knights it was Millikin, we played monmouth in 06&07. I just remember your running back that was a stud take one about 80yds before losing the ball 0n Wartburg's 10 yd line, Man did I feel for that kid. I hope we can take the championship this yr from you know who. They beat us last yr by 3 on a last second field goal. We should be good this yr with 18 returning starter and I believe 11 of them are on defense.  Good luck to Monmouth the rest of the season
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 11, 2008, 12:49:35 PM
Conference play opening up this weekend and a dead board  ???

Any predictions on the games on Saturday or possibilities for upsets?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 11, 2008, 03:42:42 PM
Well I can only say I have been very busy. Both work and home. St. Norbert over Grinnell BIG! Repercussions from the Wartburg game. A lot of pent up hostility I am sure will be taken out on the Iowa team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 12, 2008, 06:16:14 AM
A Beloit FB player gets some positive pre-game props here:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=793880

  (Scroll down a bit.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 12, 2008, 07:55:37 AM
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080912/GPG020102/809120628
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 12, 2008, 12:51:39 PM
Knox at Illinois College, 1 pm - IC
Lawrence at Monmouth, 1 pm - MC
Lake Forest at Ripon, 1 pm - RC
Grinnell at St. Norbert, 1 pm - SNC
Beloit at Carroll, 7 pm - CC

Going with all home teams to open conference play this weekend.  Not expecting any upsets on Saturday.

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on September 12, 2008, 09:46:45 PM
Here we go.... Midwest Conference Football!

Picks go like this

IC uses home field advantage to edge Knox (who by the way needs a breath of fresh air in that program)

Monmouth BIG
Rippon wins but LF covers the spread
The Knights huge

AND.....

Carroll keeps on with thier winning ways.... Pios by 14

p.s. USC huge of OSU
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 13, 2008, 04:47:01 PM
Anyone have any score updates?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 13, 2008, 05:23:25 PM
Monmouth - 47  Lawrence - 2

game was over before it started, impressive performance by the Monmouth defense

messy game, because of the weather as I'm sure many were today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 13, 2008, 05:27:16 PM
Hey, at least Lawrence puts some points on the board!   :-\

I had a feeling that LU's first game would be a tough one.  Hope they can regroup and come back strong at home.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 13, 2008, 10:27:59 PM
OK, running down the Midwest Conference games today:

@ Monmouth 47 Lawrence 2 (http://www.monm.edu/Sportsinfo/football/2008/box-scores/lu9-13.htm)

Monmouth obviously good, but hard to judge given the competition
LU's first game, hopefully they show improvement

@ St. Norbert 55 Grinnell 7 (http://www.snc.edu/athletics/teamfiles/football/2008/2008-02.htm)

Norbs rebounds big after the loss to Wartburg
Grinnell couldn't carry over the momentum from winning last week

@ Ripon 14 Lake Forest 3 (http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2008/Stats/LFRCFB02.HTM)

Ripon's defense continues to be stellar
LFC off to an 0-2 start

@ Illinois College 62 Knox 27 (http://www.ic.edu/athletics/teams/Mens/Football/ICFB_08/9-13knox.htm)

IC's Coach Campbell gets his first win
Knox's D looks like it's going to give up lots of points again this season

Beloit @ Carroll started at 7 pm

That was just a quick perusal of the box scores.  Anyone have any firsthand accounts?  Further thoughts?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 13, 2008, 11:14:42 PM
Carroll beat Beloit 10-0. Beloit played decent defense and Carroll was never able to get into an offensive rhythm.  Carroll's defense held the Bucs to 63 yards of offense. Beloit did make it to the CU one with about five minutes left and down 10-0 when they fumbled and that was the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 15, 2008, 01:30:27 PM
How about the Blueboys!  ;D I'm a new poster on here, i played OLB For IC since 2005. Graduated this past spring. Just wanted to coach up on the ole alma mater see how everything was going! i know a victory over Knox isn't that impressive but 62 points! The new coach at IC must be doing a few things right!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 01:31:26 PM
Welcome aboard -- not many (any?) IC posters here in recent memory so stick around and bring your fellow alumni. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 15, 2008, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 01:31:26 PM
Welcome aboard -- not many (any?) IC posters here in recent memory so stick around and bring your fellow alumni. :)

Pat - I think I can remember one IC poster who used to be on here sometimes, but that's been a few years ago in the past.  There used to be several other different SNC posters who frequented the board, but haven't heard anything out of those guys recently either. ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 02:19:10 PM
Yeah -- I think "recent memory" and "a few years ago" are too far apart. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 15, 2008, 05:44:41 PM
Predictions for this weeks MWC Games:

Carroll @ Grinnell - Pio's by atleat 3 TD's.
Ripon @ Knox - Ripon runinng game dominates knox blowout!!
IC @ Lake Forest - Could be a great game, first MWC road game for IC, IC by 2 TD, but don't quote me!
Norbert @ Lawrence - No question here, Norbert Big!
Monmouth @ Beloit - Another big Tanney performance! but i think beloit will get on the board.

D.J. Jackson has continued to impress me with his special teams play! should be another good performance this week... GO BLUEBOYS!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 16, 2008, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 02:19:10 PM
Yeah -- I think "recent memory" and "a few years ago" are too far apart. :)

PC - That's a good call there.  ;)

MWC Week 2 picks to come later in the week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 17, 2008, 02:06:41 AM
Predictions for this Saturday:

Carroll over GRINNELL by 21 - I think Grinnell puts up 3 td's at home
Ripon over KNOX by 41 - Probably a shutout
LAKE FOREST over Illinois College  by 6  - Game of the Week
Norbert over LAWRENCE by 42 - Lawrence scores 3 or 7
Monmouth over BELOIT by 49 - Beloit shutout or scores 3

Still early and tough to see how teams really are.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on September 17, 2008, 05:33:25 PM
Well, I went 6 for 6 last week including the USC whoopin on OSU, but I think that was pretty much a give in.  With another exciting week of MWC football ahead I couldnt wait to make my picks so here they come

1. St. Norbert Huge
2. Monmouth even bigger
3. Ripon all over Knox
4. Upset Special IC over Lake Forest

And Finally.....

The CARROLL Pios move to 3-0 with an offensive rebount against Grinell in the Pio Bowl....
  - Warren Buffett needs to get that school's mascot changed
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 17, 2008, 06:26:52 PM
Is lake forest supposed to be good this year? From what i have seen in the last year it seemed as if they would be a little young this year in the secondary and in the backfield? Just curious for a little discussion on them!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 18, 2008, 01:23:23 PM
I don't think IC over Lake Forest is an upset, that game could go either way and I wouldn't be surprised.   Also, like I said, it's too early to tell.  I almost wouldn't be surprised if one team blew out the other and the game wasn't even close either way.  Hopefully it's a barnburner though, should be game of the week.  My honest opinion, besides Monmouth and Norbert, the rest of the conference is really about matchups and styles.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on September 18, 2008, 03:52:30 PM
Clarification:

You are right in the sense that IC over LFC is not a HUGE upset.  But I am not with the majority on this board and I feel that there actually is a home field advantage in tight games in the MWC. (Emphasis on TIGHT games).  With that in mind I say it is an IC upset as they over come the road trip (somewhat of a long drive and I am pretty sure an overnight) and takes one from LFC at home
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2008, 04:09:12 PM
If Aurora beat Lake Forest, then Illinois College should be able to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 18, 2008, 04:31:31 PM
I see what you are saying. Yes, there are a few (very few) match ups each season that homew field has an advantage. This year the IC / LF game looks like one of those. What you are assuming is that taking the home field into account LF is favored. That is what I am not sure I agree with you on. I believe IC is still the favorite in the game but just by a narrower margin since it is at LF. Did that make sense? Tough one to explain. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 19, 2008, 06:32:13 AM
A Ripon player gets some props here:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=796572

     (It's toward the bottom of the article.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 19, 2008, 09:18:33 AM
Do touchdowns count for less at Ripon ??? ;D ??? ;D ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on September 19, 2008, 09:26:28 AM
I think that we are all in agreement that there is only one game that should be close this weekend... IC vs LFC.  (I'd love to see an upset somewhere in the conference but I don't think this is the week with too many outmatched opponents.)  Both IC and LFC boast some of the best receiving cores in the conference.  Jennings and Darwent for IC will match up very well to the skills possessed by Christensen and Carter.  Trust me, I've had to cover all these guys before and it's not easy.  The DBs and LBs in coverage will have to be on their A games for both teams.  I think the game comes down to how much pressure LFC can get on Niekamp for IC.  If he has all day to sit back in their pass-happy offense and deliver strikes to Jennings it could be a long day for LFC.  15 returning starters for both teams, key lossess at skill positions, it could be a fun day to watch football in Lake Forest.  I hate making predictions because I hate being wrong but if I had to bet I'd put money on IC because their QB is more experienced.  All other games go as predicted.  I don't know what happened to Carroll's offense last game - defense looked awesome - but hopefully they'll get it going against that other Pioneer team.  Go pack!  Go pack!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2008, 11:48:04 AM
Monmouth at Beloit, 1 pm - MC
Carroll at Grinnell, 1 pm - CC
Ripon at Knox, 1 pm - RC
Illinois College at Lake Forest, 1 pm - IC
St. Norbert at Lawrence, 1 pm - SNC

After going with all home teams last week, I'm taking all road teams to win this weekend.  All the 1-0 teams move to 2-0...all the 0-1 squads drop to 0-2.

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 19, 2008, 12:21:11 PM
I don't know that home field advantage is at work for Lake Forest. I think the most people they ever put in the bleachers their against IC was about 500-700. I'm not saying that home field advantage doesn't come into play in the MWC. Their are a few places that i hated playing, most of all monmouth! those bag pipe guys just freak me out! Lawrence because of the walk.. it just seemed to take away some of the hype of pregame walking all the way down to the bowl. I definitely think Carroll has a home field advantage to due to the nice seating they have behind the endzones! that is definitely one of a kind! The rest i think besides norbert its pretty much even.. Any of you norbert guys think you will be getting turf anytime soon? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 19, 2008, 02:22:48 PM
You ask about turf at St Norbert? I am not an expert or the best resource. My thought is when the new facility is built, it will have turf. So now the question is when will the new facility be built. My understanding is as soon as they get funding they will break ground. Personally I do not see that happening in the next year or 2 but I do not have insight into that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 19, 2008, 07:29:14 PM
IC or Pio guy....just curious, what did you hate or love about playing @ Norb's.  Also, just playing them in general??  I love hearing input/stories so be honest with no offense to be taken (not sayin I won't dispute  ;D). 

Norberts won't get turf for quite a few years, when the new stadium goes up.  Guys have been promised this stadium will be built by their senior year for 7 years now when they come in for recruiting visits.  It definitely grabbed my attention but it's a shame that these promises are not kept.  Just goes to show you what a winning tradition can do....

Not to mention the SNC cracker box of a weight room they have for facilities...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 19, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
Home field at our level gives an advantage because it takes the away team out of their routine. If you have not noticed, coaches try to have the same pre-game routine because it calms players down and makes them feel more comfortable. Having away games, especially over-nighters, puts teams in a new territory, new facilities, etc.

Also why is everyone thinking that the conference is going to come down to Monmouth/St. Norbert? Ripon beat Monmouth last year, and anyone that was at the game should know that they should have beat Norbert two years ago. Norbert is not as strong as they were the last two years, and the Red Hawks have not lost many players since then. Also, they have the best secondary in the conference, giving them the best chance against Monmouth. I would just like to hear some discussion. Good luck this week to everyone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 20, 2008, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: tm343407 on September 19, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
Norbert is not as strong as they were the last two years, and the Red Hawks have not lost many players since then. Also, they have the best secondary in the conference, giving them the best chance against Monmouth.

We can agree to disagree if this may help refresh your memory.... 

http://www.snc.edu/athletics/teamfiles/football/2007/2007-08.htm

20-29 for 350 yds passing as a team & 4 o'connell td's in a 42-7 game when the subs came in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 20, 2008, 03:12:03 PM
Ripon beat Monmouth last year at home, and it was a week after Monmouth just lost a close game to Norbert(14 point loss, but they threw a 100 yd int return which was a 14 pt swing) and had to come to grips with their season being over in their minds.  I don't see them sneaking up on Monmouth this year.  Much depends on how Monmouth fares against SNC.  I've been around that team before, they just deflate when they lose to SNC and a shot at conference is out of reach.

ICLBalum08: Monmouth players commit to play there based alone on wanting to be led onto the field by those bagpipers

btw anyone got any score updates?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 20, 2008, 05:14:24 PM
Final score from Lake Forest

IC - 23 LF - 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 20, 2008, 06:15:24 PM
Carroll beat Grinnell 31-12 in the Pioneer Bowl.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 20, 2008, 11:59:08 PM
yes ripon's game last year against norbert was a blow out, but all four touchdowns came over a first-year starting corner who is no longer on the team. their 2x all-conference corner who was out last season is back and the other starting corner is just as good. norbert's has lost basically everyone, but phillips. two year's ago, craig threw two picks on the first two drives and norbert scored 2 tds off of two blocked punts. ripon should, stress should because the knights always reload, beat norbert this year, esp. since they are at home.

monmouth will be the biggest challenge and they are going to be very tough for the next few years. But i believe ripon's talent in the secondary matches up well with them and it should be a very good game. i just don't understand why ripon isnt even in the conference conversation.

also last season monmouth ceratinly came to play because had ripon beat norbert, they would have been in a three-way tie. no team just deflates when there is still a shot (not a great shot, but it still would not have been a huge upset had ripon won) at winning conf.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2008, 07:09:00 AM
The scoreboard alone proves that Monmouth and St. Norbert are still the teams to beat. Ripon is clearly the best of the rest but are still a ways behind the top two. I can't see both stumbling to allow Ripon a shot at the championship.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 21, 2008, 08:58:09 AM
Quote from: tm343407 on September 20, 2008, 11:59:08 PM
yes ripon's game last year against norbert was a blow out, but all four touchdowns came over a first-year starting corner who is no longer on the team.

Not true.  After the 2nd td, #11 kellet tried to go step for step with oconnell.  I remember laughing from the stands with kellet being a good strong safety, but not a kid that can run step for step w/a 4.4 kid. 

I'll give it to you that this is a good year for Ripon to do anything & the ducks should of had the Knights two years ago but couldn't close out the game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2008, 11:32:53 AM
"should have" not "should of" sncfballfan.  ;)

Attn. Beloit: If half of you guys are going to quit if you lose next week then just quit now and get it over with. Why not have a short memory and get after it next week rather than giving up 3 games into the season. Shame on you.

I don't like your chances against Ripon and St. Norbert but the rest are winnable games. Grow up and act like you've got a pair.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on September 21, 2008, 12:29:16 PM
I feel bad to correct a Norberts fan/player if he was one, however, after reading the posts he stated that Ripon shoulda beat norberts two years ago, and not last year. I was also in the stands last year for the Norberts game, #11 was never matched up with Judd. Norberts took advantage of Ripon's weakness last year and they never recovered. That was basically for the conference championship and Ripon seemed to come out flat and Norbs def didnt. Honestly, to me this year is Monmouths to lose. Norberts has new guys everywhere and all of Monmouths guys are back. IC was looking good so far, but they ended up loosing. Carrol has a great defense, but their offense is yet to show much life. Ripon has had two close games and we all know about lawrence, grinnell, beloit etc etc. Monmouth should be th team to beat with the best qb in the conference, most guys returning etc. Not bashing Norberts, but if you guys want to just look at scores from games as an indicator. They were loosing to Lawrence late in the first half. I am a firm believer that scores dont tell the story, so im unsure why everyone always talks about. Good start to the season, it has unfolded as planned so far. The next month will show how each team is going to be for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 21, 2008, 02:45:24 PM
actually they did match #11 up with judd for a few plays. he didn't catch a TD on him, but he did catch about a 30yd post. #11 isnt going to match up with him, but the other corner from last year, who was a frosh then, is a 4.5 kid. the returning CB is just as good.

i understand why norbert still deserves to get the nod as favorites because of their history, and monmouth is going to be really strong too, but ripon deserves to be in the conversation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 21, 2008, 03:05:51 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 17, 2008, 02:06:41 AM
Predictions for this Saturday:

Carroll over GRINNELL by 21 - I think Grinnell puts up 3 td's at home
Ripon over KNOX by 41 - Probably a shutout
LAKE FOREST over Illinois College  by 6  - Game of the Week
Norbert over LAWRENCE by 42 - Lawrence scores 3 or 7
Monmouth over BELOIT by 49 - Beloit shutout or scores 3

Still early and tough to see how teams really are.

Perfect week of picks and I was off by 1 pt in the IC v LFC and MC v BC games

As for the Ripon argument, I think you gotta hang more that 27 on Knox to be taken seriously especially when IC put up 62 and now just lost to LFC.  Were there any Ripon fans at that game that can ellaborate on why that was only a 2 score game?

Also kinda surprised to see Lawrence score 18 after I saw them shutout (safety) and get like 2 first downs against Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 21, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: bball312 on September 21, 2008, 12:29:16 PM
I was also in the stands last year for the Norberts game, #11 was never matched up with Judd. Norberts took advantage of Ripon's weakness last year and they never recovered. That was basically for the conference championship and Ripon seemed to come out flat and Norbs def didnt.

What's your address as I can send you the game film??  Kellet matched up w/judd for a larger portion of the game.  Perhaps a few too many pre game beverages for you??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 11ripon11 on September 21, 2008, 09:18:00 PM
Hello, i usually dont post, but I never was matched up with Judd when he scored. (The name should give me away) I am not sure who the other poster is but he is right on the 30 yarder, he did get me on a skinny post,  But thats nota  big deal, we just got outplayed that day in all facets of the game. However, this year it will be exciting because the teams all seem to have gotten better from last year. I hope this keeps up cause it will lead to an interesting and exciting season.

Ripon 11
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Once a Pio always a Pio on September 21, 2008, 09:59:00 PM
HOME FIELD win for LFC.... Cant say I didnt tell you so.  (it counts for something)


On another note..... Way to go Pios on the first 3-0 start since 1992. 

Baby steps but I still feel confident in saying that next week is the Scott's frist test. (I stress "test").  We shall see
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 22, 2008, 11:47:36 AM
Whats the story Roop...did Beloit have a load of kids quit?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on September 22, 2008, 07:30:49 PM
Well the only game I predict I get wrong.  I still doubt the HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE in the MWC though.  I hate to argue with other Carroll alumns but if you look at the start of the game IC's first 2 possessions were the result of created turnovers.  We agreed that away games throw off your rhythm but obviously not IC's who got a fumble and then missed an opening FG.  Anyway, the rushing stats from LFC surprised me and I guess I doubted their ground attack.  Way to prove me wrong LFC!  A lot of good games this weekend but I'm lookin at the CU vs MC game.  Carroll's been a pleasant surprise, Monmouth is as dominant as predicted.  Should be fun.  As for me, no more predictions.  1 year out of playing Carroll football and LFC all the sudden has a great rushing attack.  I must be taking crazy pills.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 22, 2008, 10:56:29 PM
Predictions for this Saturday:

RIPON over Illinois College by 10 - decent game, Ripon too much in the end

LAWRENCE over Grinnell by 9  - Lawrence seems to play well at home (18-16 lead over Norbie in the 2nd)

Knox over BELOIT by 3  - Sadly, it's the Game of the Week.  toughest one to call, might be the toilet bowl game of the yr

MONMOUTH over Carroll by 35 - I know this was a 6-3 game just last yr, but I think Monmouth is on a mission

NORBERT over Lake Forest by 19 - If Norbie would've had to make the long trip this might have been game of the week

As far as this whole #11 from Ripon topic, who cares Ripon got beat bad and they better have a handful of Primetime's if they think they are going to stop the Monmouth passing game this year.  I might eat my words, but I'm gonna say there is probably a 10-0 finish for MC this year (first time saying it, now I'm nervous)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 23, 2008, 08:49:41 AM
No one has mnetioned that Walters rshed for 160 yards and 2 TDs against Oshkosh, but has been out since...huge loss and probably the reason RC hasnt blown out their last two opponents.

Anyone know if and when Walters is coming back and what the injury was? They may not challenge MC or SNC without him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 23, 2008, 01:22:48 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 22, 2008, 11:47:36 AM
Whats the story Roop...did Beloit have a load of kids quit?

No. I was merely trying to make a point about keeping things to yourself. Sure it's frustrating to get one handed to you like that but certain talk is best kept in the locker room or your dorm room. Not immediately after the game so that all may hear.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 23, 2008, 04:47:42 PM
Based on scores so far in comparison to last year, the Bucs appear vastly improved and a five or six win season within reach.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 23, 2008, 06:58:02 PM
I read in an article that walters is out with a broken thumb which would appear to be a loss for Ripon but all it takes is for someone to come in and run the ball well in that offense & it appears they have that find.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 24, 2008, 08:39:35 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 23, 2008, 04:47:42 PM
Based on scores so far in comparison to last year, the Bucs appear vastly improved and a five or six win season within reach.

6 might be pushing it unless they play well @Lake Forest. That has always been a tough one for them. They should get past Knox and IC at home and be able to take care of LU and Grinnell on the road. So I'm looking for 5-5 this year.

NRO Security is currently surveying golf courses in the Lake Forest area as I'd like to get a round in before the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 24, 2008, 10:33:22 AM
Hump Day. OK. Lake Forest at St Norbert. Well the NSC offense got it together last week very well. Passing was improved as was the running game. O-Line did a good job but of course I am biased.  ;D

I see a lot of guys working hard out there and learning.

SNC will win Saturday, and probably by a substantial margin. But LFC is an improved group and I expect a pretty entertaining game.

I will be looking for LFC supporters on the highway northbound on Saturday morning.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 24, 2008, 10:47:43 AM
Roop, werent you at 0 karma during basketball season?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 24, 2008, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 24, 2008, 10:47:43 AM
Roop, werent you at 0 karma during basketball season?

Yes. Then many realized that the NRO was keeping the Illuminati in check. Therefore, the universe shall unfold as it should.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 24, 2008, 09:50:40 PM
Predictions for this weeks games:

          The blueboys played alright last week though they couldn't pull of a victory against LF. I'm hoping to see a possible upset this week up in cheeshead country! no pun intended. Although all the years i played there we played terrible at ripon, don't know what it was but it seemed we always played a terrible first half and a great 2nd half.

     IC @ Ripon - although i am a blueboy alum, ripon whens by 2 TD's
     Grinnell @ Lawrence - I'm going with a Grinnell upset with a strong 4th Q
     Knox @ Beloit - Beloit puts some serious points on the board, wins by 14
     Carroll @ Monmouth - Monmouth by atleast 3 TD's, They have the states all time leading rusher from my old high school
     LF @ Norbert - Game of the week, could be somewhat close, could be a blowout, although ripon and IC could be quite a showdown too, depending on what IC team shows up
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 25, 2008, 08:48:35 AM
ICLB, Great picks. I like your insight and also you are not a homer. Very good. Well I have seen both Grinnell and Lawrence play this year. If the QB at Lawrence has half as good a game as he did last week, I will disagree with you on that pick. I do not think Larry Loses! ::)

Knox - Beloit. I like hearing that one of the traditional cellar teams can put up some points. That means on any given Saturday.....  :o

Good luck to all and stay healthy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on September 25, 2008, 11:19:59 PM
Lawrence is going to kick poon! Plus their library rocks!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 26, 2008, 11:15:25 AM
Knox at Beloit - BC
Grinnell at Lawrence - LU
Carroll at Monmouth - MC
Illinois College at Ripon - RC
Lake Forest at St. Norbert - SNC

Not alot of surprises--the top 3 remain undefeated in MWC action while Beloit and Lawrence both pick up their first conference wins of the year (mainly just picking them because they're at home).

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  I'll be in attendance for this one!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 27, 2008, 03:15:41 PM
Monmouth - 20  Carroll - 20    at the half

really surprised with CC ability to move the ball, this one is a ballgame
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 27, 2008, 03:53:27 PM
34-20 Monmouth up

Monmouth comes out in the 3rd blazin
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 27, 2008, 04:22:06 PM
BC 38 KC 0 I guess nobody is quitting now.

2 red zone turnovers isn't going to cut it next week guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 27, 2008, 04:45:50 PM
any scores from the Ripon/IC game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 27, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
Monmouth 41 Carroll 20

MC Defense steps it up in the 2nd half
Tanney 6 td passes
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 27, 2008, 05:00:26 PM
Norbie's website is reporting a 62-0 win over LFC, talk about a statement game

That'll be one looong drive south for the Forresters
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 27, 2008, 06:40:11 PM
looks like Ripon 45 IC 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on September 27, 2008, 07:13:21 PM
Grinnell 32 Lawrence 16 (http://www.lawrence.edu/athletics/football/gamerecaps/08-grinnell.html)

What an ugly, ugly game from LU's perspective.  I really thought that the LU program was on the upswing, but games like this are disappointing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 27, 2008, 07:22:16 PM
Word has it that Grinnell had a good recruiting class. I'll buy you a burger at the Nickel when Beloit comes to town if it makes you feel better. And even if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 28, 2008, 08:35:47 PM
nobody believed me when i made the grinnell pick, i told u guys it would be a barn burner!!! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2008, 09:32:22 PM
ICLB, Yep. You picked it. I really thought that Lawrence would play a better game.  :-\

What I don't understand is what happened to Lake Forest??? ???
I was at the game and I still do not believe it. And they beat IC last week.

There are a lot of things that can be said for that game. But I have to compliment the defense. They put together a tremendous statement. -12 yards rushing!  I think the longest play from scrimmage was an 11 yard run. Might have been a pass late in game that was longer.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on September 29, 2008, 09:27:52 PM
Well I guess SNC took care of LFC's running attack that I praised when it propelled them in a win against IC the previous week.  What a lopsided win in a game I thought would have been closer.  Watch out for SNC vs Monmouth again... only 2 more weeks til the showdown.  As for CU vs MC, really tight game - 20-20 at half, but a muffed punt recovered inside Carroll's five led to a quick TD followed on the next possession by a pick returned to Carroll's 15 leading to another quick score.  Within the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half the game was out of reach and Carroll's valient first half effort was once again thwarted by the Scots.  Tanney's the real deal!  Any word on Ripon's QB????  He's a great player and they'll need him this weekend for Homecoming weekend at Carroll.  None of the other games really interest me this weekend.  I have a hard time seeing upsets, but this year already seems a little unpredictable so ya never know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on September 29, 2008, 11:25:50 PM
what happened to ripon's QB? didn't hear anything abou it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 30, 2008, 08:59:13 AM
piopride, I too was stunned at the SNC / LF game. First off I did not expect the defense to be that strong against the run that LF displayed earlier. I do not think anyone saw this coming, except some on the defense itself.
Thanks for the explanation of the Mon. CU game. I saw in the box scores and figured that turnovers played a huge part.

You are not going to call an upset at Knox? You're right though, very interesting year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 30, 2008, 11:31:04 PM
Predictions for this Saturday:

IC over Lawrence by 14...still puzzled by LU's 18-16 lead over SNC
Ripon over CARROLL by 9...Ripon rushing game prevails, Game of the Week no doubt
Monmouth over GRINNELL by 41...I like GC's offense, but it's nowhere near enough
Norbert over KNOX by 49...KC seems to have proved themselves the worst so far
LAKE FOREST over Beloit by 11...I still like LFC offensively, they really need this one at home

DePere, WI Minahan Stadium Saturday October 11th 1 PM....BE THERE
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 01, 2008, 09:27:18 AM
MWCfan, Your last statement is SO TRUE!
De Pere on the 11th. I will be there God willing.

I have no doubt that there will be a few fly overs  ;) to entertain the fans.

And what looks to be ONE HECK OF A GAME!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 01, 2008, 09:29:48 AM
My picks...

IC 35, Lawrence by 21
Ripon 18, Carroll 6
Monmouth 55, Grinnell 14
St. Norbert 48, Knox 7
Beloit 21, Lake Forest 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on October 02, 2008, 08:21:39 PM
My picks:

     IC 32 LV 21
     Ripon 28 Carroll 14
     Monmouth 42 Grinnell 7
     Norbert 56 Knox 16
     LF 17 Beloit 14

     Norberts possibility for points is endless after what i saw from the Knox/IC game. Game of the week definitely has to be ripon and carroll. I don't think the pio's have enought to win this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 03, 2008, 12:31:50 PM
ICLB, interesting picks. The Ripon / Carroll game should be very good but there are 2 other games that I think could be just as good if not better to watch. IC at Lawrence has a possibility of a heck of a game. Especially if the Lawrence team from the 1st half against SNC shows up.
The other is Lake Forest at Beloit. Want to say LF is out for revenge and show they are better than last week. But I don't know.

Now your statement about SNC's "possibility for points is endless". That may be more true than one might think. This is an overnight travel for Norbert which means limited number of players. 2 deep. Can only substitute so much.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 03, 2008, 01:43:11 PM
Ripon at Carroll - RC
Monmouth at Grinnell - MC
St. Norbert at Knox - SNC
Lawrence at Illinois College - IC
Beloit at Lake Forest - LFC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Stay healthy for next weekend!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2008, 03:16:27 PM
score updates?  14-0 Monmouth over GC 8:53 left in the 1st quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 04, 2008, 04:55:29 PM
was wonderin the same thing....anyone got any scores???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 04, 2008, 04:55:42 PM
My Beloit pick is looking good, Bucs up 27-14 with the ball and 11 minutes left in 4th

Carroll site reports 28-10 Ripon win
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2008, 05:07:58 PM
69-0 Monmouth over Grinnell, thought they were gonna get 76 but they downed the ball on the 1 three times, 49-0 at half, MC played a near flawless game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on October 04, 2008, 05:19:45 PM
IC 28 LV 16
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 04, 2008, 09:22:20 PM
Hang on to the ball Bucs.

Yes, this was a nice win on the road but it could have been easier sans turnovers.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 04, 2008, 09:23:37 PM
Just got home from Galesburg.
St Norbert 63
Knox 24

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 04, 2008, 09:36:09 PM
Monmouth Football in 2008!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 05, 2008, 12:02:21 AM
Keep your kilts at home, SNC by 21 over the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2008, 07:31:25 AM
Yes sncfballfan we all know that it will be the game of the year.

scottie, yes it is bow season.

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2008, 04:47:12 PM
Wow sncfballfan!!  Well I certainly hope you know what you are talking about. I would love that but............. ???

Did see a gentleman from Monmouth yesterday on the visitors side at Knox. Could be a fan from down the street but I would think he was scouting to a certain extent.

As I said before, God willing I will be there Saturday. Make sure you hit the tail gate area before the game.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2008, 09:53:24 PM
OK Everyone!!!   Let's get the MWC going! :)

We need all of you to contribute. I see a number of guests watching this board. Go Ahead. Sign up. No strings. Just get involved. This is a great board and if someone gets nasty, they are put in their place real quick. I need company. sncfballfan and Roop, keep in touch. Need support or I will get quiet. We do not want that on this board.

SNC fans speak up!!! Where are the guys out there?

Skirt boys ( I mean kilts) join in. You have a great campus and if you cannot support your team this year, something is desprately wrong.

Ripon???? Hello!! Come on... You should be joining in.

Carroll, HELLO?!?!?!

Beloit, IC, the rest, we need you to speak up.

I know that football is not the sport for some of you. But guess what? There is another from my town joining the Basketball Group this year. And I assure you, he will be a contributor. Good guy that will make a name.

All Right! Speak Up!!! We need MWC people. I have to say the tailgaters at Knox were great people to talk to. Of course they were Bears fans. Yipee!!! 

OK. Let's Hear It!!!   Saturday, October 11th. WHO will be victorious????

This is the turning point in the season. You want to be there. Can you ?????

This actually could mean a playoff spot!  Could be but no Guarantees. Have to still fight for it.

Also, make sure you vote for Coach oif the Year. Check it out on the D3 home page. Of course I ask for a vote for Jim.

Come on everyone in MWC. Get into it.

Thank you
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 06, 2008, 12:37:36 PM
Better look up the tie breakers in the event of a two loss scenario.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 06, 2008, 01:12:26 PM
I made the trip to De Pere 3 years ago to watch the elder Tanney defeat the Green Knights. I am trying to stir up interest down here to make another trip up there to Southern Canada.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 06, 2008, 01:12:57 PM
SNC dad is in gameday mode and we're 5 days away from the game.

I predict a dog fight that could come down to the 4th quarter. I would say the kilts have the edge in this game, but they have a long bus ride and will hopefully be playing infront of a packed house.  Remember what happened last time they traveled north??  A big goose egg....

Input is appreciated....it's championship week.... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 06, 2008, 01:18:47 PM
Well let's not forget Ripon. They are undefeated also.

So Scots4, do you have any insightful comments for this game? It has all the makings of a knock down drag out fight.

And we know where sncfballfan will be. He better be at the game.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 06, 2008, 01:59:02 PM
I am no longer a student at MC but I have made the trip up there many times to take on the Green Knights in basketball. It IS a long bus trip. :'(

I think it will be a good game but I think the early edge goes to the Green Knights. I think Monmouth can win if they can protect Alex Tanney and give him time to pass vertically. Unlike years past, Monmouth has been unable to establish a running game against defenses that are considerably weaker than St. Norberts. However, I hope Bricker and Roseland can hit some gaps and make the offense not so predictable. Alex is going to have to be able to count on his line to be able to deliver the ball to a very good receiving corps that has the ability to break some nice run-after-catches.

The Monmouth defensive front is very large this year and is not really allowing yardage on the ground. They have also had field days getting to the quarterback. Then again, they havent really played anyone with the same talent as them. The secondary has done a great job getting their hands on balls and minimizing gains in the passing game.

In my opinion, I don't think this Monmouth team is as good as the one that last won in De Pere. I was in attendence at that game along with about 20 of my Monmouth friends. That game was 20-7 St. Norbert at halftime and one of their players runs by the crowd and shouts, "same ***, different year!" We made sure we found that player in the 4th quarter.

The tailgating was fun before the game was a blast. I just can't believe I am having such a hard time finding people to make the trek with me.

What bars in town are nice on a friday/saturday night?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 06, 2008, 02:40:31 PM
It's great to see some chatter leading up to the big game...and it's only Monday! :)  Unfortunately for me, I won't be able to make the trip to DePere as I have a previous commitment on Saturday. >:(

Scots4 - You're dead on with the bus ride.  I played football at MC and made that ride a couple times up to SNC...and it's a long one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 06, 2008, 03:59:36 PM
At least at the end of my career we started taking charter buses instead of the good ole vans.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 06, 2008, 04:52:47 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 06, 2008, 01:59:02 PM
What bars in town are nice on a friday/saturday night?

Depends on what type of atmosphere you are looking for and where you are staying???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 06, 2008, 05:05:34 PM
Staying wherever is cheapest....and atmosphere....hmm....sports, alcohol, girls, cheap, girls.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 06, 2008, 08:55:57 PM
Scots4 - lookin for girls in DePere huh?  good luck  I remember watching film on SNC my freshman year at Carroll.  Sorry if I'm not being p.c. but I think the cheer squad could have put together a 60 yard scoring drive on Knox.   :o    I got my money on the Scots this weekend.  I said it from the beginning of the year.  And if Purtill gets coach of the year again I'll file a complaint.  Other coaches are doing great things around the conference and just because they don't win a championship means they don't deserve recognition?  SNC has 15 coaches!!!!  I'm not saying he's a bad coach because he's obviously one of the best, but vote for someone who truly has to work to win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 06, 2008, 09:35:17 PM
piopride10, Cold. Very Cold. On not just on one of your comments. But both. I am not even going to comment on your cheerleader remark. As far as your comment on Coach of the Year. If you think for one minute that any of the coaches in the MWC do not work for every win they get, it is sad. Especially since it appears that you played for one. Not giving him much credit by your comments. Every year every coach has a new team to build.

Enough of this. It really bothers me when an individual is put down for no rightful reason. I could probably say a lot more but I have to realize who they would be directed towards. Not worth any more effort.

I usually would respect your opinion about the game Saturday. Especially since you come from a scholl that is not playing in the game under discussion on Saturday.Your insight or comments could have meant something. But no chance of that after you slammed all the people you did. I do not speak for others but your comments and opinion are worthless in my humble opinion.

Meanwhile Scots4, have a safe trip. And remember there is SNC and UWGB along with a nursing school. Pretty good odds if you ask me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 06, 2008, 10:17:45 PM
Thanks, and if you are tailgating, look for a group of guys and Ill be wearing a white Monmouth football jersey. Just come over and ask for Blaise.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 06, 2008, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: piopride10 on October 06, 2008, 08:55:57 PM
Scots4 - lookin for girls in DePere huh?  good luck  I remember watching film on SNC my freshman year at Carroll.  Sorry if I'm not being p.c. but I think the cheer squad could have put together a 60 yard scoring drive on Knox.   :o    I got my money on the Scots this weekend.  I said it from the beginning of the year.  And if Purtill gets coach of the year again I'll file a complaint.  Other coaches are doing great things around the conference and just because they don't win a championship means they don't deserve recognition?  SNC has 15 coaches!!!!  I'm not saying he's a bad coach because he's obviously one of the best, but vote for someone who truly has to work to win.

Wow you just made yourself sound like an idiot.  You aren't going to be argued with about the cheerleaders, but Coach Purtill, are you serious??  Purtill has TWO paid assistants and only ONE of them is paid full-time (D-coordinator/strength coach/recruiting coordinator/equipment manager/film editor/you get my point yet?).  The dude can be found in his office until midnight or later 7 days a week busting his you know what breaking down film and constantly finding a way to out-smart the next opponent.  Don't get me wrong, the assistants do great things for the program, but you aren't even close to the truth on this post and should be embarrassed.  Then again, I guess you have a reason to be jealous since you graduated without any championship rings.   :o 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 07, 2008, 02:42:19 AM
You just never know.  I really like this Monmouth team, but it's still Norbert's title until they lose it and I'd have to say they really still are the favorites.

Like I've said before, if Monmouth doesn't win it this year it will be devastating for them considering all the returning starters they have compared to Norbert.

Talked with some Monmouth defensive players after they watched some SNC offense on film today, and they seemed a little relieved that SNC doesn't seem to have the size (huge, dominating line and TE's) they've had on offense in previous years.  But hopefully that doesn't mean now they will underestimate and get punched in the mouth or beat with speed.

My prediction:  Close game with alot of scoring at half (MC defense is aggressive and risk-taking, definately not "bend but don't break"), then in the 2nd half the MC defense adjusts and puts the clamp down while the MC offense continues to wear down the opposing defense.  People including myself have expressed worries about the Monmouth running game, but I think it might have its coming out party in this game.  Bricker has finally got it going and Roseland is a real talent, I think this tandem keeps the Norbie D on their heels enough for Tanney to go to work(I'm confident with pass protection).  So....I'm going with the underdog, cuz Norbert is the favorite.

I really think this Scots team is special......but.....it is St. Norbert.

As for those who feel this team does not stack up the 2005 Monmouth team that won conference, that will be determined by playoff results if in fact the Scots do win the conference first.  I'd definately agree for right now, Senior Mitch is way better that Sophomore Alex (though most will say though that Alex is far ahead of where Mitch was when he was a sophomore) and there is no Evan Hafner at WR or Shane Gordon at TE on this team, but I think this yr's top 4 receivers can be far better than 05's 2-3-4-5 receivers and in fact this year I think they can plug in up to their 5th and 6th receivers without missing a beat.  If Alex needs a big play he doesn't have a go-to guy but that's been good because its harder to defend, anyone can be the go-to guy they're all very confident and have "receiver personalities."  I've already mentioned how I'm feeling about this years back tandem (which btw I think having tandem backs has become more effective for most teams and just recently even popular in the NFL) And Dante Daniels best year was 2006 not 2005.

This defense is experienced as they've ever had, the D-line and secondary are outstanding.  In 05 big plays were being made by mainly 3 guys on defense Zigler, Bast, Goaranson.  This year the big plays are being made by the whole D-line (which still includes Goaranson), Artozqui, and the whole secondary.  I just think this team might be deeper, is definately younger, less star-oriented, and for right now totally unproven.  We will see.

Is that a long enough rant for ya SNCOLDAD?  btw, best of luck to all the Green Knighters  and whoever wins this game how bout we get some postseason W's huh?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2008, 09:01:17 AM
MWCfan787.....OUTSTANDING! ;D

That is what I like to hear. Good analysis and no slamming. Of course by my name you realize I have to comment on the Offensive Line comment. I am glad to hear they are relieved.  ;) Some size lost. Some size gained. Depending on what game films, they may not have seen the whole story.

I cannot argue a whole lot with most of your comments. I think you brought some true insight and well thought out ideas about this game.

I repeat that neither of us better forget about Ripon. On paper we may look stronger, but as they say, the game is not played on paper.

I did not realize that the Monmouth running game was considered weaker than normal. Of course with the passing attack they have, of course rushing will look weak.

I look back at last year at Monmouth and remember that game pretty well. I have waited for this game ever since last year's contest. We all know why. You stated that you think this monmouth Team is special. You could be right. A strong defense can overcome a lot of situations. And a strong offense can get you where you need to go sometimes. This is going to be a game.

I hope the scoreboard can handle the speed of this one. It is pretty old. And I believe these 2 teams are going to light it up big time.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 07, 2008, 09:23:41 AM
SNCDAD,

I just laughed reading your last post, because I had always read your name as SNC OLD DAD instead of SNC OL (Offesnive Line) Dad.

It made me chuckle, hope I didnt offend.  :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 07, 2008, 09:29:30 AM
Good Morning All!  SNCOLDAD~ I would have to agree with you that no one should over look Ripon.  I was at the game Saturday and Ripon looks good.  When the offense wants to they can move the ball very easily, and the defense is VERY impressive, they are playing well as team.  I am excited to see them continue the season, every year it's SNC that RC needs to beat and every year they come short.  Well if they keep up this attitude that they have this year and continue playing with the heart they have been, I know this can be the year that Ripon does it!  

Now, alittle words about the class of Carroll!  HORRIBLE!  I was glad that I had no ties to the Carroll Football team Saturday.  The way they acted, how the parents of players were blaming the ref's was embarrassing.  I watched Carroll players take cheaper than usual shots in the pile once they noticed that they couldn't win.  Win with excitment, lose with pride.  I know it was homecoming and Ripon came in and made you look like children, but at least show some class at the end of the game and Parents GROW UP!  Stop living through your sons!  Watch the game, be supportive, but when it's over don't blame the refs for the lose, blame the fact that they got out played!  Tell them to forget this lose and get ready for next Saturday.  I wish Carroll a great rest of their season!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2008, 09:31:29 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D Titan, I am laughing. If my son sees this he will get a big laugh out of it. No offense since both are true.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2008, 11:41:11 AM


What is going on with Pratt at Monmouth?  I saw that he scored two touchdowns a few weeks ago, but it looks like he hasn't played since.  I'm over here in Illini-land and Pratt is from this area.  In high school, he was in the headlines every Saturday morning and I think he finished as the IHSA all-time leading rusher.  I wasn't sure if he's not traveling because he's a freshman, too far down on the depth chart, injured, in the doghouse, etc.  He seems to be a nice long-term complement to Air Alex.


Monmouth Football in 2008!



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2008, 12:34:10 PM
Scots4 - I rode on the charter bus when we went up there for football...still wasn't alot better than vans.  Riding on anything for that far of a drive up and back isn't much fun.

MWCfan787 - That's some great insight on this year's MC squad.  I always love to read stuff from other posters who are still close in one way or another to the football team since I'm no longer in Monmouth and can't keep tabs on the program as close as I used to be able to.

Redhawk Sighting - Good to see a Ripon poster on here so all of the 3 front-runners in conference are represented.  Your boys are definitely not to be overlooked by the Scots or the Knights, regardless of whoever wins the game this weekend.

scottie - Welcome back to the boards...it's great to see you hanging around these parts again. :D  And to answer your question, I haven't heard anything about Pratt recently.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 07, 2008, 01:12:28 PM
I love the Monmouth boys complaining about the long road trips.  Imagine playing for the Knights having the travel to I.C. (over 7 hours), Grinnell (over 6), Monmouth (6+), and Knox (6+).  Now that sucked...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2008, 01:16:14 PM
Of course those schools travel to SNC, Lawrence about 20 minutes shorter and Ripon.

I think Carroll and Beloit probably have the easiest time traveling.

But any more than a couple hours in a rolling meat locker like that has to take something out of you. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 07, 2008, 01:19:39 PM
Scottie: I believe Pratt is in the doghouse, I think he was the freshman back that got in trouble for drinking.  Roseland is also a freshman, so those two have a bright future together.  The most of the receivers including the top 3 or so are sophomores and juniors so the offensive future overall looks good.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 07, 2008, 01:40:30 PM
Well we finally got the board going a little bit and all it took was some harmless insulting and a huge conference championship showdown to spark some interest.  Now you've gotta be crazy if you think I don't respect SNC and Purtill.  Playing in the conference has taught me a lot of things about coaching... both good and bad.  SNC has an inate ability to win and I truly believe this stems from the coaching and the program tradition.  But in professional sports a lot of coaches are rewarded for turning programs around and becoming contenders.  I think Ripon is a prime example of this in probably the past 2 years.  SNC is expected to win and usually does so.  This creates tons of pressure on the team to win every game and Purtill does a good job of keeping his teams motivated.  What I'm saying is that even the best coaches in the NFL don't win Coach of the Year every year.  If they did Sean Payton probably wouldn't have won it a few years ago.  Purtill's great and I have seen that, just consider other coaches.

Sorry I don't have any MWC rings on my finger.  In hindsight that's not all that important to me.  I went to Carroll to win games and get a good education.  I did both, and although we fell short of our team's goal of a conference championship I'm not bitter at other programs.  I'm not even bitter at my program.  I worked tirelessly for 4 years to be the best football player I could possibly be.  The experiences I've had have been great and just because we couldn't win every game doesn't take anything away at all from my college experience.

The cheerleader remark was a joke!  Get over it.  A lot of people on this board have been in college.  I'm sure you've all made remarks to get a laugh about the same topic.  Don't be so hypocritical and make me out to be a bad guy for one overtly masculine comment.

In response to a past post from a Ripon fan, I think Carroll has become undisciplined, not classless.  Players can't control the fans, but they have to control their emotions.  From what I hear Carroll is pretty frustrated and it appears to be taking its toll.

If anyone objects to me using college humor please let me know.  Additionally, if anyone objects to me speaking my mind about the Coach of the Year please let me know.  I went to SNC's homepage and it had 15 coaches listed.  I'm sorry I got confused about all of the support staff.  I was unaware that I needed to censor my posts so much.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2008, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 07, 2008, 01:12:28 PM
I love the Monmouth boys complaining about the long road trips.  Imagine playing for the Knights having the travel to I.C. (over 7 hours), Grinnell (over 6), Monmouth (6+), and Knox (6+).  Now that sucked...

Now sncfballfan, us Monmouth boys aren't saying you SNC boys didn't have some long road trips ;)...but for us, that trip to DePere was easily the longest and in comparison to some of our other shorter trips, it made it seem even worse than what it actually was.  I'll give you credit though, the Knights definitely have some of the longest trips...don't forget though, IC can say almost the same thing with some of their lengthy trips to St. Norbert, Ripon, and Lawrence; and Grinnell is similar as well since they're off on an island out in Iowa. :D

MWCfan787, scottie - I had heard of some players getting in trouble for drinking, just didn't know that Pratt was one of them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: theoptimist on October 07, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Um.. D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 07, 2008, 02:47:56 PM
I think piopride is right about Carroll just getting frustrated. From 2002's 1-9 season they fought to the middle of the pack in th MWC and now are stuck there trapped behind SNC, MC and RC. Last year was there chance when they lost to Monmouth and St. Norbert by a combined 5 points. This year things aren't looking as good against the top teams. They are starting to realize they've collided with the glass ceiling. Sure you can improve on the football field but when that doesn't translate to wins the people who weren't at the game just think the team is going nowhere. Whenever I get asked how good they are I always say an average team. They go .500. That's about it
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
Yes it appears that this board is going good and getting more and more input.

piopride10:
It is not that you speak for or against other coaches or players. It is HOW you say it. You seem to attack with hatred rather than tact. It tends to shut others out from listening to you. I for one have that fault, and yes I consider it a fault to close my mind to opinions from people that attack. For that I apologize.

As far as the kiddie comment that you made about cheerleaders and/or the Knox Defense, I would be happy to "Get Over It" as you suggest with one request. Just apologize for making the comment. You might be surprised.

Carroll: Wow. My son considered going there. Nothing against that school at all. I am only familiar with them from last year and they gave SNC everything they could handle and then some. SNC was lucky to get out of town with the win in that game. I always assumed they were consistently in the top 2 or 3 of the conference. I should have researched their history a little more. It would be frustrating to build a program from that record to a STRONG contender for conference only to start slipping back.

Definitely      at least according to spell check. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 07, 2008, 04:16:52 PM
At least when you guys (St. Norbert) travel, no matter where you go in the conference, you get closer to the equator! Not closer to the Northwest Passage.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2008, 04:23:04 PM
 ;D But then again, for me as a father, I am centrally located so Lake Forest and Beloit are the only ones that are close. :) Last year was shorts for every game except the playoff in De Pere. That one was COLD!
So far this year pretty good on weather. A little rain on home opener. Hope weather is good this weekend.
I like driving toward the Northwest Passage. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2008, 06:20:43 PM
MWCfan787: Thanks for the update.  I was afraid of something like that.  Evidently a "teachable moment."


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on October 07, 2008, 11:02:39 PM
I attended the same high school as pratt. He is a hell of an athlete, i didin't have the chance to play with him as i graduated in 2003 from high school. But came back to help the time quite a few times. He was very nice to watch run the ball. Everytime he touched their was a pretty good chance for a TD. His younger cousin is the Westville running back job, and as i have been watching will be quite a good back for the next 2 1/2 years... But enough of the high school talk... anyone got me a plane ticked to the big game this week?? Being from Illinois i have to cheer for the scots for the first time in my life!! Good luck to both teams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2008, 03:06:04 PM
ICLBAlum08:  Doesn't it feel good to cheer for the Scots?  Embrace it!   ;D

Monmouth Football in 2008!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2008, 03:19:23 PM
IC....How Could You????   I am in Illinois and I am not cheering for the skirts,,,, I mean kilts,,,, I mean Scots.  :D

And I was thinking of a ticket for you. Not anymore.  :P

GO KNIGHTS

GO SNC GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on October 08, 2008, 05:14:59 PM
well i can say the only reason i am cheering for the scots would be because of Pratt!! The skirt thing does freak me out though. As for the game, i know norbert has a good defense this year, but momouth's defense is spectacular. Their secondary is awesome. The only reason i say this is because i saw my IC team last year put up 4 TD's against norbert. I am not one to dwell on a past seasons game, but Alex tanney and his offense this year is much better than our offense last year!

SNCOLDAD: That tickets not gonna matter any more.. gotta work saturday and sunday..

Scottie: it will only be this one time! don't get used to it! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 09, 2008, 12:58:18 AM
Ok, where's the Nobert fan that says everyone's crazy for thinking the Scots are gonna win and that SNC has like lost one conference game in about 6 years.  I know the Green Knights players have that feeling I've played against them and know some of the former players.  They think Monmouth is a joke that shouldn't be compared with them and that MC even got lucky in 2005, and also that they're the only legitimate program in the conference.  C'mon SNC fans tell us how you really feel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 09, 2008, 07:49:15 AM
MWCfan, I will give you that a lot of alumni and players give the program a bad rep.  As a former player, I have grown to love this matchup with the Scots.  Like I said earlier in the week, the Scots have a lot of talent on this team but this will be a huge test for them on the road.  The 2005 team did not get lucky at all, Haffner's 17 catches for 200 yards isn't luck (didn't help our D-coordinator was put in the hospital a week before and we were playing a brand new defense).  But....it is what it is and the Scots will have to improve on the 49-0 stomping that got put on them last time they traveled to DePere.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 09, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
"The 2005 team did not get lucky at all, Haffner's 17 catches for 200 yards isn't luck (didn't help our D-coordinator was put in the hospital a week before and we were playing a brand new defense)"

Haha, giving credit and taking it away in less than two lines.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 09, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
Not taking the credit away at all, sorry if it sounded like that.  The past is the past and we got beat....the focus should be on this years teams and the match-up on hands.  Should we be expecting a lot of drunken fib's in kilts this weekend or what?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MC17 on October 09, 2008, 03:53:23 PM
This is to all those Norbert fans that are sleeping on the Scots this year. You guys are going to have your hands full with the Scots. First of all you guys are supposed to have a great D. You guys gave up 24 points to Knox! KNOX!!! Secondly you gave up 340 passing yards to Lawrence. Tanney is definitely a better QB than Lawrence's. He also has better weapons to throw to in Wright, Zidow, Wantland and Shepherd. So how many yards is Tanney going to throw for 500? 600??

Your O is going to have an even worse time matching up with the Scots D sticks. They still have Goranson and the warden Levy on the line. The line backers are all seniors and have a lot of experience. Artozqui, Weiden, and Olsen are beasts and are all hard hitters and can pick off the pass. Last but definitely not least the secondary. Where do I start with this group. You got the speedy Mason and Harmon on the corners. They are both physical and rarely make mistakes against both the run and the pass. At the safety positions they have hard hitting Norman and Wells. If I was the 2 Norbert QB's I would practice holding onto the rock because they are going to be taking some big hits from this fierce Scots D. It might also be a good idea to practice throwing the ball away because one bad pass and it could be pick 6 for this secondary who are all ball hogs.

Oh I almost forgot I wouldn't even think of kicking the ball deep unless you want to be Shep sauced for a quick 6 on the visitors side of the scoreboard.

My prediction close first half with the Scots pulling away in the second half 42-20!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 09, 2008, 04:30:50 PM
Wow Chris, I guess I might as well not even go to the game.  ;D

Monmouth has a lot to be proud of on the football team this year. I have no doubt that this will be a great game. You have brought up a lot of valid points.

But there is one thing you keep overlooking when you talk about other games played this year. Yes Knox scored 24 points. And you are correct I believe that Lawrence passed for 340 yards.

What you have overlooked is that St. Norbert was playing them. This week it is you. Do you think that the Knights play the same way against you that they play against the other teams? You are basically saying there is no rivalry. There is no emotion playing another good team.

I don't believe that. And I don't think you do either.


But I like your emotion and support for your team. Don't let that go.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 09, 2008, 05:16:54 PM
Pin that on the bulletin board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 09, 2008, 06:54:44 PM
Whoa, MC17 let's not get too cocky, I think the Scots will take it this year too and it's important to be confident, but they haven't done anything yet, and this is Norbert's conference until someone takes it from them.  Respect all, Fear none.

I can tell you are pretty close to the team since you know Wes Levy's nickname is "warden" and your "Shep sauced" lingo.  And I'm pretty close to members of the team too, I reallly hope you're not on the team though.

And to be honest, there really hasn't been alot of SNC fans on this board sleeping on the Scots this year.  In fact that's why I made my post previous to this one, I wanted to see more trash-talking Green Knights fans in hopes that they would jinx themselves.

SNCOLDAD brings up a good point too, I think MC looked like they coasted a bit against Carroll and it wouldn't shock me if SNC beats Carroll by more than 21 later this year.  It's natural for a team to purposely or subconsiously not go 100% and only go 75% because that will still win the game and insure their health for a more important game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MC17 on October 09, 2008, 07:34:44 PM
SNOLDAD: You bring up some good points about playin weaker teams and my only response is that you should not play down to anyones level. The Scots may or may not have done that against Carroll and you guys may or may not have done that against Knox and Lawrence, only the players know for sure.

This should be a great game, and a good test for both D's. Ill be up there for the game tailgating on saturday morning come by and have a few beers and talk football. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 10, 2008, 07:19:38 AM
I don't think anyone at SNC is overlooking the Scots or Ripon.

First, with how one loss can be devastating to the chances of winning the conference, I doubt anyone will look past it.

Second, folks around here saw how close Ripon came to beating UWO - and we know that the MWC has struggled against any WIAC school.

Should be a fun game!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 10, 2008, 09:18:36 AM
MC17, I know what you mean. I was not necessarily saying "Playing Down" but playing certain teams different than you would others. For example, if, and this is a huge if, SNC holds Monmouth to under 24 points or less than 340 yards of passing, does that make Know or Lawrence a better offense than Monmouth???  Absolutely not. It just happens that way.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 10, 2008, 02:09:25 PM
Knox at Grinnell - GC
Carroll at Illinois College - CU
Lake Forest at Lawrence - LU
Beloit at Ripon - RC
Monmouth at St. Norbert - MC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Now is the time, go on the road and get the job done.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 10, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
Maverick, Good Picks. I agree with all.....except one.  ;)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 10, 2008, 03:48:50 PM
sncOLDdad

I must commend you on lighting a fire under the arses of the posters this week.

My picks...

at Grinnell 35, Knox 28
at Illinois College 28, Carroll 27
Lake Forest 24, at Lawrence 20
at Ripon 22, Beloit 0
Monmouth 27, at St. Norbert 23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 10, 2008, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 10, 2008, 03:19:53 PM
Maverick, Good Picks. I agree with all.....except one.  ;)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

SNCOLDAD - Thanks buddy.  I kinda figured you wouldn't agree with one of my picks...but please tell me why it is you think that Lake Forest will win at Lawrence tomorrow? :D  Have a safe trip up to DePere and I wish I could be in attendance with you and everyone else who gets to be at tomorrow's game!

GO FIGHTING SCOTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 10, 2008, 06:12:01 PM
Or is it snCOLDad...like, maybe you work for Coors marketing or something?   ;D

Nothing really exciting about the other MWC games, so I'll just stick with the big one:

MC 31, SNC 21

FREEDOM!!   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 10, 2008, 06:40:01 PM
You guys are great!!!   Don't EVER let this board die. I love it all when no harm to people. :)   

To answer the question. Lake forest still has something to prove. But will it be tomorrow????   


??? ??? ??? ???

This is what D3 is all about. I love this board.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 10, 2008, 11:30:42 PM
Scottie agrees that this a great board, but used to cry "Foul!" on MWC snubs.
Now he's back, and enjoying the Scots' success from afar.
Can they keep it going tomorrow on the road?
Offenses should shine, but which defense will win the war?
Loser is a longshot at conference championship.
De Pere will be rocking, no doubt.
Air Tanney will be put to the test.
Don't be against him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 10, 2008, 11:31:02 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 10, 2008, 03:48:50 PM
at Ripon 22, Beloit 0

Not that Ripon isn't capable of shutting out Beloit, but how did you arrive at a score of 22 ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2008, 08:08:17 AM
Scottie, I am truly touched. It is Saturday morning and I need to get on the road. 3.5 hours to drive. Then tailgate, then KICKOFF>

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2008, 11:47:35 AM
Funny feeling about Beloit @Ripon today. Not funny enough to drive 3 hours to get there but if they keep 10 in the box to stop the run you never know. Ripon never passes until 3rd and 25, etc. MWCTV will take me there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 01:36:25 PM
I'll be watching the game on MWCTV and periodically posting during.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 11, 2008, 02:15:33 PM
Roop,

11 safeties obviously  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 02:21:01 PM
7-0 SNC up 90 something yard drive
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 02:38:01 PM
MC fumbles kick return, SNC field goal

10-0 SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 02:56:02 PM
MC offense, nice little drive and touchdown

10-7 SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 03:06:55 PM
wow, the Scots go for it on 4th and goal from the 4 yard line score, theeennnn SNC returns the extra point

13-12 MC.....crazy sequence
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 11, 2008, 03:09:03 PM
Crazy game...I'm watching it as well...Tanney has hit his groove.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 03:27:07 PM
SNC field goal

15-13 SNC at the half

MC has handed 5 points to SNC really with the kick return fumble and the extra point return, hopefully it doesn't come back to haunt them

SNC's qb looks like freakin vince young in his texas days out there, MC defense needs to shore up their tackling

This game has just really gotten started, cant wait for the second half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 03:40:43 PM
Scottie is logged on....

GO SCOTS  GO SCOTS  GO SCOTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 03:53:55 PM
The Scots score quick

21-15 MC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 03:54:19 PM
21-15 Scots 13:05 in 3rd.  Quick defensive stop by the Scots and a equally quick score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
Is that field the football answer to Lawrence's basketball gym?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 04:08:48 PM
22-21 SNC

Can someone on the MC defense please wrap up
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 04:09:45 PM
7 minute SNC drive
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 04:17:11 PM
24-22  MC   3:00 in 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 11, 2008, 04:19:14 PM
them dang Green Knights have tried to cheat 10 times for 70 yards.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 04:26:20 PM
WHAT A PUNT!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 04:37:32 PM
31-22 Scots with 10:00 to go.  Wish they would have instant replay on Tanney's TD pass.  Wow!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 04:41:29 PM
Green Knights go three and out after a big kick off return.   tick tick tick....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 04:43:59 PM
SNC answers with a three and out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ICLBAlum08 on October 11, 2008, 04:47:11 PM
anybody wanna update me about every 2 minutes?? i'm very interested at this point.. no score from IC/Carroll
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 05:00:58 PM
SNC declines a 43 yard FG attempt and don't get first down.  tick tick tick
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 05:02:33 PM
Down by 9 and within a FG attempt, SN goes for it on 4th down and is denied. 

Scots win 31-22.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 11, 2008, 05:02:41 PM
Victory for the Scots!!  MC loves that 2nd half    31-22 the final

Don't get too high on this victory, go get Ripon next week

The Green Knights played with heart and good luck the rest of the year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2008, 06:14:53 PM
Congrats to the Monmouth Football team. They played very well. Have to go eat. Will post more detailed comments later tonight or tomorrow.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 11, 2008, 09:10:09 PM
My thoughts on the game:

Alex Tanney played very well after starting the game very shaky and throwing into coverage. His touchdown pass to Blodgett on the fade was one of the better throws you will see at the Division III level. The offensive line played well and gave him enough time to locate his receivers and find the gaps in the St. Norbert defense. Clay Bricker played very well in my opinion even though the stats might not show it. He had some very hard runs that helped keep the St. Norbert defense somewhat honest. The receiving corps as a whole played well and caught everything that they should have and didnt really drop anything they were expected to catch.

The Scots defense was amazing in the second half. After the first drive of the half, they did not give an inch to the Green Knight offense. Sean Wells had a great game; I have never seen anyone be around the ball as much as he is. The tackling in the first half was suspect, but I thought the linebacking corps did a great job of stopping the run whenever the ball got to their level in the second half. The D-Line played a great game as well. Nick Leffler and Anthony Goranson were constantly in the backfield disrupting plays in the second half. During the first half, it seemed like Monmouth would always have someone in the backfield but couldn't figure out the Spread QB choice handoff reads. Hats off to Coach Bell and his staff making the necessary adjustments at halftime for that.

St. Norbert kept shooting themselves in the feet with penalties. They were flagged many times on plays that would have given them first downs or big yard gains. Monmouth kept getting flagged early on for offsides because the DE's were a split second early on Berger's cadence.

This game seemed to be a clean, hard fought football game. Hats off to Monmouth for pulling off the victory on the road. Now they have Ripon at home next week for Homecoming with major playoff implications. Lets hope Monmouth doesnt pull an Illinois and have a let down game after a big win on the road.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2008, 09:53:44 PM
Scots4:  Since I was at the Illnois game today, and since I'll be back on campus next week, I hope you're right!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 12, 2008, 12:20:29 AM
talked with some of the Monmouth players on the phone, the team is really excited about the win but even more excited because they feel that their best football is still ahead of them and they are capable of much better than they played today

they also wish that Ripon was the final game of the season so that it could be a possilbe tune-up for the playoffs, but atleast they get to come home to play them next week, this game could go a long way for showing that the Scots are truly good and consistent.....no letdowns hopefully, because this game is typical letdown game situation

Not to say they would lose focus over a final 3 game stretch of LFC, IC, and KC, but its just gonna take more work to stay focused.....and I'm thinking we might see record Turkey Bowl stats.  Even though I'm getting ahead of myself and this is a bit off topic, the last time KC beat MC i believe was 98 or 99 and only one game has been close with the others being blowouts.......question: If MC continues to blow out KC for another 10 years or so, does this historic rivalry die?  Just looking for opinions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 12, 2008, 12:31:55 AM
If things keep going the way they are this season, I predict that Knox will forfeit the Turkey Bowl.   :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2008, 07:22:10 AM
From a competition stand point I think the rivalry is dead already but it will continue to be a game of interest as the schools are so close together. Take care of Ripon 1st then worry about Knox when the time comes.

Still can't figure Ripon out this year. They're not putting up the points as they did last year but are still undefeated in MWC play. Despite the 30-0 score they may have got away with one this week as it was only a 9 point game before Beloits interceptions became an epidemic in the 2nd half. They will need to get better on third down to stay with the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2008, 09:41:31 PM
Hi everyone. Who is playing where this Saturday??? Carroll at SNC. That one I know. Where are the rest and who will be the team to manage the Big Upset like Monmouth was able to do this past Saturday?

I do not know if any of you looked at the stats from the SNC - Monmouth game. They are available on the SNC website. WHAT A CLOSE GAME!!!!!

First down 19-18
Total net yards 400-393
Sacks 2-2   WOW!
Total Offensive Plays 78-77

Punts, Average yards per Play, Interceptions, Average Per Punt, ..... Enough

Score:   31-22

Again, my congrats to the entire Monmouth team (as far as I know)

And my congrats to MOST of the Monmouth fans that made the trip. Especially the family with the Dachshund. It was a pleasure sitting with you. Thank you for the handshake at the end of the game. The is truly D-III.

I will not go into the fans tailgating and the explitives they yelled when the SNC buses arrived. I am sure they were not the average Monmouth fan. In fact it was evident their IQ was way below the normal Monmouth fan.

Also to the Monmouth father standing on the top row. I hope the heart attack you will suffer does not come before your son graduates. It is obvious that the refs are not your friends, that is until you won the game. All I would suggest is either lighten up for your son's sake, or find some valium. Even the refs make mistakes.

And yes they did in this game. It killed both fans as to how much they felt they had to be part of the game. In fact a major part.
The best refereeing is when they do their job and you still do not realize they are on the field.

So enough. Was it a gret game??? ABSOLUTELY!
Did the better team win???? Come on. This is SNCOLDAD. I don't think so.
Was Monmouth Better Saturday???? Yes they were.
If they played again in 3 or 4 weeks would the outcome be the same??? Of Course Not!!! Again it is SNCOLDAD typing. :)

What was the final score for SNC - Monmouth in 2008???
Monmouth 31 - SNC 22

OK. On to Carroll. I can only hope that our team is healthy. When you have 10 people out with injuries you want at least some of them back for the next game.

It is homecoming and SNC just had their conference winning streak broken. What do you think?? I know carroll is a good team. They can play with the best in the conference. But it is homecoming and Coach Jim and Coach Jovan along with the rest will have them EXTREMELY ready. Even if 2 starters still cannot play. Hopefully they can.

OK. Beyond that, GO RIPON whenever you play Monmouth. Especially when you play Monmouth. Got to keep hopes alive.

Enough from me. Let's keep this alive. The Midwest needs this. Turkey Bowl??? Knox will kill Monmouth!!!    ;D

Let's go Midwest Conference.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 12, 2008, 11:03:18 PM
Thanks for your contributions, SNCOLDAD.  I wish the vulgarity stuff wasn't true, but I'm sure there are a few of those types of fans (and dads) associated with every program at nearly every game.  I currently find myself in the D-I atmosphere and watching others (fans/relatives/haters) live vicariously through college-aged boys is enough to make one cringe sometimes.  Ah, let me get off of my soapbox before I type what I really think....    ::)

As for one of your questions, Ripon comes to Monmouth this weekend for Monmouth's Homecoming.  I REALLY hope nobody with the Scot program is overlooking Ripon.  Their resume is impressive, including a one-point loss AT Oshkosh, when they  went for two and the win on their last possession.  Gutsy!  They really haven't been challenged in MWC play, so this should be another good one.  Perhaps not as good, and EVEN, as the SNC game - but hopefully the same outcome for the Good Guys.  :D   

So, for now, the Scots are in the driver's seat to travel to Whitewater for the first round.  Yeah MWC!!

S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S   S C O T S
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2008, 08:53:30 AM
Don't book your trip to Whitewater just yet. There are no unbeatens in the IIAC and the eventual winner may have two losses. I think an undefeated Monmouth would host such a game.

In the stranger things have happened category I could also see Huntingdon getting in as an at large from the SLIAC and Monmouth would host that as well. I don't think the SLIAC gets an automatic bid yet but Huntingdon has been rolling everybody thus far; so it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2008, 09:31:40 AM
What/Who is Huntingdon?

I hope you're right, The Roop, but still a couple of important games to go before a MWC ticket can be punched.  Looking forward to catching a game in person this weekend against the fighting Steve Kohls.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
scottie, no doubt all schools have those "Fans" among them. Not complaining about it except I wish we all could get real during game day. :)

I hope Monmouth is overlooking Ripon.  ;) I have to keep hopes alive.

Interesting how this playoff thing works (or doesn't ) sometimes. I do not fully understand and by the time I think I have a handle on it my son will have graduated.

I am assuming that an at large for SNC if they run the table would be extremely unlikely. Is that safe to say?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2008, 10:52:16 AM
Unfortunately it is safe to say that. I can't see a 2 loss MWC team ever getting in, without the automatic bid, unless the field is expanded. Which might actually have to happen in a few years.

http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=25

http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=4

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 13, 2008, 10:52:16 AM
Unfortunately it is safe to say that. I can't see a 2 loss MWC team ever getting in, without the automatic bid, unless the field is expanded. Which might actually have to happen in a few years.

http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=25

http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=4

They will not expand the playoff field beyond 32 -- adding a sixth weekend to the playoffs is not something that the schools will go for.

The MWC has seen 1-loss teams stay home (Ripon 2000), though that was when the playoffs were 28 teams. I think you're safe in assuming a 2-loss MWC team will not get an at-large.

More discussion of this in our podcast today (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/10/13/444/), actually.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 13, 2008, 10:58:47 AM
I could see a one loss team getting in.  For example if Monmouth would have lost this game, but stayed competitive and then Loras won the IIAC....Monmouth would then be 9-1 with a victory over the champion of a stronger conference.

In 2004 MC went 9-1 and I believe they were the only 9-1 team in the nation not to qualify, but that year they played a weaker non-conference opponent....and I think the field was 28 that year and the next year they went to the 32 team field.


This Ripon-Monmouth matchup is huge the Scots are not looking over this one at all, Ripon competed with a WIAC school...oh and btw Ripon is coming to Monmouth, I think the d3 site has it listed as Monmouth going to Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 13, 2008, 11:24:26 AM
Props to the Scots for getting the W this weekend in a very entertaining game to watch from the stands.  The difference in this game, in my eyes, was the receiving core of Monmouth.  This is a young group that is very deep and they were making plays all over the field. 

As for the Knights, it's time to get back on the grind and focus on each Saturday and nothing else.  The Monmouth fans, in general, were very receptive except for a few younger kids who were running their mouths once the Scots took the lead.  As previously stated on the board, you will get those fans no matter where you go but it just takes away so much from the game and the D-III families that are in it for the love of the game.

SNCOL, what was the reason for street clothes for your son  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2008, 01:04:47 PM
Knee.  :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 13, 2008, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 13, 2008, 08:53:30 AM
Don't book your trip to Whitewater just yet. There are no unbeatens in the IIAC and the eventual winner may have two losses. I think an undefeated Monmouth would host such a game.

In the stranger things have happened category I could also see Huntingdon getting in as an at large from the SLIAC and Monmouth would host that as well. I don't think the SLIAC gets an automatic bid yet but Huntingdon has been rolling everybody thus far; so it's a possibility.

The SLIAC doesn't have Pool A bid yet so Huntingdon is fighting for a Pool B bid which may happen since Salisbury and Wesley lost to Delaware Valley earlier this year. I don't know if they would head to Monmouth if they made it though. I think Huntingdon may be close to the 500 mile radius from Monmouth. I don't know for sure but thinking about it on a map I think it is a possibility
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2008, 04:24:45 PM
Montgomery, AL - Monmouth, IL = 795 miles.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 13, 2008, 06:29:33 PM
Scottie,

I would all but cancel your trip to Whitewater if Monmouth beats Ripon Saturday. The Scots should then finish 10-0 and the IIAC and MIAC champs will likely have two losses (sorry for not having faith in an undefeated Carleton season).

The regional coaches gave SNC some long deserved respect last year for being undefeated, which they repaid with a strong showing against Eau Claire, and MC has a better non-conference win this year than SNC did last year. If Loras can beat Wartburg or Central that will only help MC among regional voters as well.

I think Huntingdon will be in the South, but the left coast will be the determining factor. If they get four in, they stay home and play each other and IIAC/MIAC champ likely going to MC. If three from west coast are in, one could be coming to MC. Of course, there is always a chance they move some west/north teams around and none of this comes close to happening.

Does the UMAC or Northern Athletic Conference have an AQ...that would change things as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2008, 07:49:54 PM
I guess a big question is then will Monmouth be moved out of the West??

Now try to figure it out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 13, 2008, 08:14:19 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 13, 2008, 06:29:33 PM
Does the UMAC or Northern Athletic Conference have an AQ...that would change things as well.


The Northern Athletics Conference has a Pool A bid, the UMAC does not.

I could also see MC possibly getting a WIAC runner-up as their opponent like SNC did last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2008, 08:56:16 PM
hickory,
I understand what you are saying but I am not sure the ranking is there for Monmouth. Last year SNC made it as high as 11th I think. I have not seen Monmouth ranked in top 25 but I did not check this week yet. That also can make a difference. Undefeated in the MWC does not necessarily mean a 1st round home game unfortunately. I will admit I was surprised last year, and considering the outcome, I would be even more surprised this year.

But as an old man, I am surprised to get up each morning.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 13, 2008, 09:03:59 PM
I still dont understand all the playoff dynaimcs as well as others, but have learned a little bit over the years. Its way too too early to speculate who will be moved, my scenarios are based more upon the west teams staying in the west.

Unless a MIAC team goes undefeated, a 1-loss Eau Claire team will be the #2 team in the region. Based on last year, I think a two loss IIAC/MIAC champ would draw one of the top two seeds, with the other going to someone like Aurora, who appears to have a playoff shot if they win out.

SNC DAD, national rankings have very little to do with the playoff picks in my opinion. Its all about the regional rankings and where other coaches think you stack up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2008, 09:17:43 PM
Yeah, let's wait a bit longer and see how things shake out.  I thought the Illini and the Bears would both win last weekend, so I'm not one who should be making any predictions.  What I will say is:

Scots better not overlook Ripon.
Nobody has won the MWC, yet.
Can't wait to see the Scots in action this weekend.
Offense is among the highest ranked in the country.
Let's not forget...
Defense ain't too shabby either.
Anyone ever hear of Huntingdon before today?
Didn't think so.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 13, 2008, 11:10:31 PM
I am eager to hear any Ripon fans' feelings on the game this week. 

I believe it was said before on this board that Ripon has a pretty good secondary to matchup with the monmouth passing attack.  In my opinion having a great pass rush would be more important.  I really just think that Alex Tanney is one of those quarterbacks that you cannot give time to throw.  He is not a mobile qb so if they can mess up the timing of the MC offense and flush him out of the pocket as much as possible I think it would be in their favor.  Ripon's defensive numbers have been impressive so far and it seems that they are carrying the team right now.

The Scots defense had some trouble stopping the fullback in Ripon's option attack last year, and in that option offense if you have the fullback established it's tough to stop them.  Monmouth's defensive line is much better than it was last year I think though.  We'll see if they decide to bring one or two safties up alot, I think Cole Norman likes to play run defense more than pass defense so it would probably be him while Sean Wells is more of an instinctive free-roamer.  I could definitely see Coach Braun drawing up some good run blitzes for this week.

As far as the playoffs, I can't even think about them until after this week and I hope the players aren't either, this game is too big.  The last 3 games against LFC, IC, and KC I'm confident that the Scots are talented enough to be able to come out sluggish on accident but still be able to turn it on in the second half and chug out a W.

oh and btw, the Green Knights were never #11 last yr.  They were #24 and it might've been for only one week right before they lost in the first round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2008, 11:35:55 PM
They might've been No. 11 in the other poll. That poll has consistently overrated teams who run the table against unimpressive schedules.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 14, 2008, 08:42:20 AM
And should Ripon win out perhaps the Huntingdon Hawks (which also happen to be red) could travel to Ripon. Hawk-a-palooza in the 1st round.

I was giving some thought to the CCIW possibly getting 2 in but then I remembered that UWW and UWEC play each other twice this year. Granted one will be non-conference but it strengthens both of their regional records. So the WIAC probably gets 2 again.

It should only get more interestinger as the season goes on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2008, 09:23:32 AM
You are correct on the 11 ranking probably being in "The Other Poll". :) I think I am understanding better on the strength of opponents within region. Unless you have someone moved to another region, that is what really matters. So if I read this right, any MWC team has a disadvantage almost right away due to the weak football conference overall. (not all teams) where as if you were to have 1 loss but in a conference that is strong, you stand a better chance of an at large. Would it be safe to say that fore the most part a team is not moved from their normal region but if they are chances it is because they are very highly ranked and deserve a #1 seed? Is this what happened last year?

It may be confusing but at least there is a playoff and eventual champion each year. Not this Bowl junk that doesn't come close to determining who has the best team. March Madness in November.

November Madness!

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots05 on October 14, 2008, 12:00:22 PM
I was one of those untellectual Monmouth fans at the Norbert game this past weekend and you guys are really over-reacting.  I will admit that we got carried away at times, but this was the biggest game of the year and I drove 6 hours to see my team win so I will be loud and obnoxious because it was a really big game.

I do apologize when the team and the fans were driving in, we were drunk, get over it.  But you guys keep forgetting the implications of what was on the line so I am not going to apologize for cheering for my team when they were winning.  Sorry sncoldad
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on October 14, 2008, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: scots05 on October 14, 2008, 12:00:22 PM
I was one of those untellectual Monmouth fans at the Norbert game this past weekend and you guys are really over-reacting.  I will admit that we got carried away at times, but this was the biggest game of the year and I drove 6 hours to see my team win so I will be loud and obnoxious because it was a really big game.

I do apologize when the team and the fans were driving in, we were drunk, get over it.  But you guys keep forgetting the implications of what was on the line so I am not going to apologize for cheering for my team when they were winning.  Sorry sncoldad

You stay classy, Monmouth Fans....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 14, 2008, 01:00:01 PM
Monmouth ranked in AFCA poll:

Through Oct. 12
                               Record  Pts  Pvs
1. Mount Union, Ohio (31)        5-0   991   1
2. Wisconsin-Whitewater (9)      5-0   964   2
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor, Texas     5-0   917   3
4. Wabash, Ind.                  5-0   832   5
5. Muhlenberg, Pa.               6-0   804   6
6. North Central, Ill.           5-0   771   7
7. Wheaton, Ill.                 5-0   764   8
8. Washington & Jefferson, Pa.   5-0   673   9
9. Cortland State, N.Y.          5-0   650  10
10. Millsaps, Miss.               6-0   596  11
11. Trinity, Texas                5-0   552  12
11. Wisconsin-Eau Claire          5-1   552  13
13. Case Western, Ohio            5-0   443  16
14. Wesley, Del.                  3-1   432  15
15. Hardin-Simmons, Texas         5-1   426  17
16. Willamette, Ore.              6-0   414  18
17. Capital, Ohio                 4-1   364   4
18. Delaware Valley, Pa.          4-1   335  19
19. Salisbury, Md.                5-1   263  20
20. Hampden-Sydney, Va.           6-0   250  22
21. Otterbein, Ohio               5-0   207  24
22. Occidental, Calif.            4-0   148   -
23. Monmouth, Ill.                6-0   111   -
24. Carleton, Minn.               5-0   101   -
25. Curry, Mass.                  6-0   100   -
     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 14, 2008, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: larry_u on October 14, 2008, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: scots05 on October 14, 2008, 12:00:22 PM
I was one of those untellectual Monmouth fans at the Norbert game this past weekend and you guys are really over-reacting.  I will admit that we got carried away at times, but this was the biggest game of the year and I drove 6 hours to see my team win so I will be loud and obnoxious because it was a really big game.

I do apologize when the team and the fans were driving in, we were drunk, get over it.  But you guys keep forgetting the implications of what was on the line so I am not going to apologize for cheering for my team when they were winning.  Sorry sncoldad

You stay classy, Monmouth Fans....

Ok, I'm sure that what they did on Saturday was mild compared to stuff you see anywhere that has a great football atmosphere, I didn't know Monmouth fans had to treat SNC like their grandma.   

You're St. Norbert we are Monmouth, we hate you, we want to kick your butt every year, that's what a rivalry is.  I never heard any SNC fans complaining about sportsmanship when they won the last 2 years and I'll tell you I'm sure there was people tailgating saying similar things.  Get off your high horse if you think there is no drunk tailgaters at your games.  Oh wait, sorry larry u if you're from Lawrence like I'm guessing from your name....there probably isn't anyone at your games and if there is they don't care enough because they know there is no point. 

And btw, I watched the actual game...and I never complained about the Green Knights lack of sportsmanship on the field (a few occasions SNC players pushed MC players after they had made a big play long after the whistle) because I knew they were frustrated, it's a big game so I could understand.

Sorry that's my first really negative post, but I couldn't just sit there and let someone bash my Monmouth College

....and  The Roop: I'm not so sure anyone would travel to Ripon even if they won the conference I think a MWC champion has to be 10-0 to have a chance at hosting a game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 14, 2008, 02:22:50 PM
There's a big difference between 3,000 fans and 100,000 fans when you compare a "great football atmosphere."  No need to treat anyone like a grandma, you just stick out that much more and make yourself and program look like a jack @$$.  It is what it is and the top dog of the conference will get that everywhere they go, it's what is expected.  A similar situation occured in 2004 when SNC traveled to Monmouth and beer cans were being thrown at the players from kids in the dorms while walking onto the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MC17 on October 14, 2008, 02:27:36 PM
I also was one of those "Unintellectual" Scots fans at the game. And it really wasn't as bad as you all would like to make it sound. We drove 6 hours as seniors to go watch our friends play and start their pursuit of conference this year. And in case you didn't notice for every Scots fan standing up yelling at the fence you had equally as many Norbert fans in our faces as well. And as for when you guys were pulling into the game I didn't know that telling every car, "Norbert forfeited you might want to turn around was bad in anyway. I guess we just have a sense of humor and maybe u need to find one.

It was a great game but as I predicted we came out on top like we were supposed to. After talking to our players us in the stands were nothing compared to how unsportsmanlike like the SNC players were. Also a lot of the players said that they felt like they had not played up to their full potential. I can think of two main things that even kept SNC in the game. First was a kickoff fumble, and second a blocked extra point.

Sncfballfan. This is quite unlikely that fans were throwing beer cans at players from their dorms since our dorms do not surround our field!!!

Oh one more thing, that bell sounds a lot louder after a WIN!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 14, 2008, 02:55:35 PM
Gentlemen....gentlemen!  And, gentlewomen!   :D

I don't think either side of this particular argument is representing themselves very well.  The game is over, let's move on.

Whichever way this race pans out, we should all cheer loudly for the MWC representative.  And, yes, I've cheered for SNC in the past.  The conference needs a win or two, to say the least!

Good luck to all this weekend.

p.s.  On the normal route taken from the MC locker rooms to the field (and back), it is almost physically impossible to hit a player with a beer can - or any other type of can.  Either the recepticle must be full and likely launched from one of those three-person-operated slingshots (or a potato gun...you get the point), or the can must be empty and VERY windy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 14, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
I'm not sure if they were dorms or apartments or what, but there were a ton of rowdy kids inside & outside the building (right next to the entrance where the visitors take the field).  You can sit on your perch from the stands and claim that this didn't happen, but I was in uniform and yes, it did happen.  Like I said, it is what it is, it's college football, it's college kids. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 14, 2008, 03:18:42 PM
http://www.monm.edu/slideshows/football%2Dfield/football-field5.htm

(left corner of picture)

http://www.monm.edu/slideshows/football%2Dfield/football-field9.htm

(ride side of picture)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 14, 2008, 03:28:47 PM
Oh, you went THAT way?  You're not supposed to go that way.   ;D

Sorry, just kidding....back to my perch.    8)

S     C     O     T     S
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 14, 2008, 04:37:11 PM
I did not make the trip to St. Norbert this year. However, I went the last time Monmouth won in De Pere and the Green Knight fans were less than classy. While we were tailgating a group of students kept constantly throwing a football into our group, yelling obscene things, etc. Then at halftime of the game (SNC leading 20-7) the PLAYERS for St. Norbert turned around and starting jeering us and taunting us in the stands. We didn't think it was a big deal, just dont let the pot call the kettle black.

However, who cares? We are all proud of our schools and want them to win. American sports are indoctrinated with the idea that you give the other fans hell until the game is over then get over it and get ready to do it next game. If you think some of the stuff up there that was said was bad, then come to a Monmouth-Knox basketball game where everyone is confined in a tiny gymnasium. If you dont like what someone is saying, don't sit by them. If you are that offended by it, ask an official to move them or to remove them. Don't wait about it and then cry on a message board ex post facto. I just think it sucks that when people are loud, rowdy and cheering on their team they get chastized for it.

Fans are what make it fun. It is hard to get people to travel 6 hours to watch their team play at the Division III level. Lets face it, it is hard to get people to travel ONE hour to watch a Division III team play (any sport.) I hated playing home games because of the lack of hostility. The loyalty to your school is the biggest thing I miss from high school ball.

I just love that this many people felt that MC and SNC were too good enough teams to stir up some controversy. This is sports, there is going to be disagreements. You go out on the field/court, smack him in the mouth, then shake his hand after the game.  Just like the players from these two teams did.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
scots05, apology accepted. Thank you. Yelling, joking, comments are all part of the game. Why does profanity have to enter in? It doesn't.

So can we settle down like scottie suggested. The game is over. It was a great game. It sounds like neither side feels like they played their best. But I bet both sides feel that they played a good game. The players on the field have the choice to get chippy and take the risk of a penalty. Do I agree that a couple SNC players got a little frustrated near the end. You bet. It was obvious. Do I think I saw all that went on as far as extra activity on the field. No Way! We never will from the stands. The refs don't either.

Right now I am cheering for Ripon against Monmouth. The reason is obvious. It opens the door for SNC  ;D

If Monmouth or Ripon make the playoffs and SNC does not, I will cheer for them. But not until then.  ;)

I am not trying to be a prude. I was tailgating also. How do you think I heard the profanity. The rest was funny.  :)

Every school has its people that create undesirable situations. Doesn't mean we have to agree with them. So as far as getting over it? To both times you have stated that I say no. As far as accepting the apology you gave. Absolutely.

I will also apologize for bringing it all up in the first place. I did not expect it to go down the toilet like it did. :-\

Oh, and yes I saw SNC students doing their share of taunting in the stands. Still don't like it. As long as neither side got physical. But we don't need profanity.

Good luck this weekend everyone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2008, 04:49:14 PM
scots4, one other comment you made.
The loyalty to your school is the biggest thing I miss from high school ball.

Man are you on the right track. That is something that I found very disheartening also. High school games would be packed with no seats available on both sides of the field.

I don't know where you played your high school ball, but I bet it was the same for you under Friday night lights.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 14, 2008, 04:54:39 PM
SNCdad- Way to get me re-involved in this board. For a while there it seemed like it had died, its good to talk football again.


Ripon vs. Monmouth

Scots4 keys to the game for Monmouth:
1. Monmouth's ability to keep Ripon in 3rd and >5.
       a. Ripon has the ability to pound the ball between the tackles. Monmouth will need to be able to get in the backfield and disrupt the option to make them have to put the ball in the air. The OLB's for MC have to be able to get outside and blow up the edge so that the heart of the Monmouth D can make tackles.
2. Field Position
       a. Monmouth needs to force Ripon to go the length of the field on offense. Shane Reschke had some nice punts against St. Norbert and I just dont think Ripon can make 70-80-90 yard drives against this Monmouth defense. Also, like always covet the football. No turnovers inside your own territory.
3. Run the football
       a. Bricker had a nice game in De Pere for the Scots. His ability to run for 4-5 yards on first down kept the Green Knight linebackers and secondary a little closer to the line than they would have liked to be. This only opens the 2nd and 3rd level passes for Tanney.


I believe there will be a heck of a crowd for this game on Homecoming for the Scots. After talking to a few of their players, I don't think they are looking ahead at all. They know that what they have done so far this season can all be erased with a devastating loss.  I hope Monmouth will come out and play the first half the way they are playing the second halves of games.

Prediction
Monmouth 31
Ripon 13

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 14, 2008, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2008, 04:49:14 PM
scots4, one other comment you made.
The loyalty to your school is the biggest thing I miss from high school ball.

Man are you on the right track. That is something that I found very disheartening also. High school games would be packed with no seats available on both sides of the field.

I don't know where you played your high school ball, but I bet it was the same for you under Friday night lights.  :D

I have never played a down of football in my life. Haha, my school did not have football due to it only having about 250 kids in it. I was just relating it to my basketball experiences. I was going to try to walk on the Monmouth football team my freshman year but people did not think that would be honoring my "academic" (basketball) scholarship. Football is by far my favorite sport and its really not even that close.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 14, 2008, 05:51:24 PM
SNCOLDAD: Congrats!  Your 4:45 post ties for second in D3_____.com history for most visible mood swings (icons) in a single post.    :D

K N I B B  H I G H  F O O T B A L L  R U L E S !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 14, 2008, 06:59:25 PM
Jeez I was in Arizona this weekend and I come back and the conference board has blown up... awesome!  It appears to me that college students love tailgating before football games at nearly every school.  When you mix copious amounts of alcohol consumption with football you get some pretty immature behavior come game time.  It's not moral or enjoyable for some to experience but it's just what happens.  I went to the UW vs. OSU game 2 weeks ago.  The behavior there makes even the most extreme MWC fan look like a saint.  So students get drunk and make themselves look like idiots, but if they didn't football undoubtedly wouldn't be the same.  And if people didn't get hammered no one would paint their bodies or go to Packer games in Jan. without shirts.

2 big games this weekend - Can SNC rebound and keep their hopes alive for a conference championship against a tough Carroll team that saw some positive production out of their running game last week?  Does Monmouth stay focused and roll over Ripon or does Ripon's terrific secondary hold Tanney and the rest of the boys in check?

I hate betting against my guys but SNC needs to have this game more than Carroll.  It should be a good game with Carroll's defense playing well again this year but I think their offense isn't consistant enough to put together a winning effort against the Knights.  I think Monmouth takes care of business and all but locks up the conference with a win this weekend on Homecoming.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2008, 07:44:59 PM
Thanks scottie. I would also like to thank all those posters that pushed me to the brink. My mother and father, my wife, but most of all the fans that support me.
;D

SNC over Carroll. The guys will be focused and not have a let down.

Monmouth vs. Ripon.  ???  :o  ???  :o  :'(      Monmouth. Darn it!  :(

Welcome back piopride.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 14, 2008, 09:54:24 PM
Goranson has the pontential to be the difference maker for Monmouth against Ripon this weekend.

I know he wasnt on the MC team that lost to Ripon last year and he has the pontential to shutdown one side of the line and really wreak havoc on those option reads.

If SNC was on the road, I might be inclined to see them slip against Carroll, but at home, I expect them to bounce back mightily.

Carroll's freshman Beckstrnad has quietly emerged as the MWCs leadeing rusher. PioPride, do you know anything about him and what his game is? He could make a name for himself if he can run on the SNC defense.

On second glance, another freshman Zank, was starting for THE U (Carroll  ;D) earlier this year. I am curious if he is the better frosh back and got hurt?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 14, 2008, 10:04:36 PM
Its only Tuesday, but I am online, so what the hell

here are my picks for the week...

Illinois College 35, at Beloit 34  - I've been on the Buc wagon and was only poster to pick them over LFC, but I think they slip here

Lawrence 35, at Knox 21 - the battle of who could care less
 
Grinnell 86, at Lake Forest 83 in 8 OTs - no clue, so Ill go out on a limb

at St. Norbert  40, Carroll 20 - things get back to normal

at Monmouth 27, Ripon 12 - Scots not safe until 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2008, 09:17:11 AM
Did you forget your Beloit KoolAid this week ??

Vs. common opponents IC has been outscored by 6.25 per game while BC is +1 per game. Give them another 7 for being at home and RoopVegas says take Beloit -14.5 Over/under is 73 and I like Beloit 44-29. When they get going, which doesn't always happen, IC can put up the points but their defense has been a speed bump at best.

The rest of your picks sound about right except for the Grinnell game. Cut that in half with no overtimes. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: jballgame on October 15, 2008, 11:33:59 AM
Thanks for giving the Pioneers the nod vs Lake Forest. I doubt they'll give up 80-some but hey, a win on the road is a win on the road.  You can hear the game on the internet at www.kgrn1410.com on the archived webcast.  KGRN-AM 1410 appears to be the lone radio station providing coverage to its member school at home and on the road this season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 15, 2008, 12:02:04 PM
fightintitan2006 - Carroll's running back situation has certainly been a surprise to me this year.  Sophomore Jon Singer ran hard last year for us as a freshman, giving a nice shifty change of pace when Crocker came out.  I think I expected him to start but I knew all along the backfield would need some help.  In came Josh Zank (a kid from the Green Bay area) who was getting some larger looks outside of the MWC.  This year as a freshman he impressed everyone with his combine numbers shattering the RB bench record and running a fast 40.  I watched quite a bit of camp and helped a little and could tell that he's a bruiser but needs a little time to learn what his running style is an run accordingly.  So he didn't quite pan out, and as the weeks went on Beckstrand looked more impressive every day.  He's only 5'9" 170 but he runs hard, hard to tackle, and quite shifty.  Carroll's O-line is really good this year with multiple year starters and all-conference performers in Corey Drake, Mike Pogue, and Alex Willing.  Beckstrand seems to fit with what Carroll is doing now and I hope the success in the running game can continue.  I don't think he'll do for Carroll what Bryce Crocker did for us, but it will definately take a Crocker-like effort to pull out a W this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: theoptimist on October 15, 2008, 03:09:18 PM
I have to journey south of the border to drop a family member off at O'Hare on Saturday morning.   Would it be worth my time to take a slight detour off 94 on my return trip to see Lake Forest v. Grinnell?  I realize they are sub .500 teams, but is it at least a cool place to see a game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 15, 2008, 03:13:35 PM
If you have the time, I think it would be worth it.
#1 Bring your camera and where Packer attire. Have your picture taken in front of Hallas Hall. :)
#2 Should be a real good game to watch.
#3 If you have a dog, bring him or her to join the 1000 other ones in attendance.
#4 Nice location and nice facility.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2008, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: theoptimist on October 15, 2008, 03:09:18 PM
I have to journey south of the border to drop a family member off at O'Hare on Saturday morning.   Would it be worth my time to take a slight detour off 94 on my return trip to see Lake Forest v. Grinnell?  I realize they are sub .500 teams, but is it at least a cool place to see a game?

I did a drive-by of the stadium in June and it seemed like a nice setting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MC17 on October 15, 2008, 03:37:31 PM
So Monmouth has another tough challenge this week against Ripon. I went to the game last year at Ripon where Monmouth lost a close one. To me the game last year looked sloppy all around. Our field goal kicker missed two field goals and an extra point. I have heard a lot about Ripons defensive backs, but will they be enough to stop Monmouth's passing O??? Also last year Ripon established the run with thier fullback early on in the game. I expect Monmouth to try and take him out of the equation and make Ripon pass the ball into the #1 defensive back squad in the nation in efficiency.

Also this year it is at home, is homecomming, and we are in the hunt for the playoffs. So i would expect us to come out fired up and ready to win. After talking to the players, they are confident in that they are going to win. This should be a defensive battle unless Ripon is not as good against the pass as people have said. Has anyone seen this teams pass defense in action and if so did they live up to the hype?

My prediction is a 34-9 win for the Fighting Scots. I do not see Ripon getting the ball in the endzone after watching them buckle down in the second half against Norbert.

Should be a great game and anyone who lives anywhere close should come check it out. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 15, 2008, 05:21:22 PM
Hello!  Big game of the week is Ripon vs. Monmouth!  I am very excited to see the outcome of this game, sad that I can't make it.  As far as the chatter on Monmouth beating Ripon by such a large margin is crazy.  For those of you that state "lets stuff the middle", great stuff it, then Ripon will run outside all day.  Stop the outside run, the QB will keep it, stop that they'll run the middle.  The great thing about option is it's to hard to stop it, to stop it you might bring up a corner or safety?!  Great we'll pass on you!  It's going to be a great game, back and forth, but guess what!????  Ripon's defense is the best I have seen it in MANY years!  My prediction is Ripon wins by 10.  You are all talking about how Monmouth is on a title run and they won't over look anyone, well guess what, so is Ripon and travel or no travel they are coming for the W.  The atmosphere at this game is going to be AWESOME!!!  I can't wait to hear the stories about the crowd, the game, and the final score.  As far as the rest of the conference good luck!       
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2008, 05:34:02 PM
RHS: Thanks for your energetic contribution.  Why not plunk down $6.95 and watch the game on the ol' computer?

I'm looking forward to seeing the game live and in living colour.  Does anyone know the latest national rankings of the Scot offense and defense?

M O N M O U T H  F O O T B A L L  I N  2 0 0 8 !

 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 15, 2008, 05:43:13 PM
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2008&div=III&site=org

Try this.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 15, 2008, 06:13:43 PM
Yeah, thanks Redhawk Sighting, you've done what I failed to get any SNC fans to do on this board, say that your team is unstoppable therefore unbeatable and possibly jinx you and your team.  And I agree with you, that defense of yours in Ripon, WI looks pretty good (dominated conference games so far and just 2 scores to a WIAC team).

The Scots D is good but they could be better, can never be perfect, but they have the potential to be way better than they already are.  They had some issues tackling against SNC, and they are focusing on them this week in practice.  I heard that Coach Braun (D Coordinator) replayed the run by Berger (SNC fans know which one I'm talking about) over and over again as he chewed the D a new one.  Against the option you have to play assignment defense, if you don't make the tackle on your assignment then you have trouble.

In fact, I'm going to try and put a reverse jinx on the Scots and agree with you.....but only by 10?  The offense is unstoppable (can counter anything) and the D is best you've seen since the last blue moon.  I say blowout.

Good Luck Redhawks!

On a more serious note, if Ripon wins this game, then how huge is the Ripon v. SNC game the following week.  When was the last time the MWC had three games that big with playoff implications in three consecutive weeks?  And if SNC wins that and all 3 teams finish with one loss in conference play..who holds the tiebreaker for the playoff spot?  Because I believe the conference would recognize all 3 of them as champs but only one can get the bid most likely.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 15, 2008, 06:19:31 PM
I believe Quarters Lead would be the tiebreaker that would be used in the case of a three way tie (head to head would be a wash) The current standings for that are:

St. Norbert 18
Ripon          17
Monmouth  16

I like this system much better than the MIAA who uses non-conference record to break a three way tie.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 15, 2008, 06:45:19 PM
Big game this week as it's all on the line.  Hopefully the Knights can bounce back and get a big homecoming victory.

As far as the Scots vs the Red Hawks, it all comes down to getting pressure on the qb.  It was VERY apparent last weekend that Tanney is very immobile and struggles to throw the ball on the run.  However, the Monmouth staff does an excellent job with this as the offense is a lot like the Colts of the NFL with quick reads and releases.  There were several attempts by the SNC defense to get to the qb but couldn't with blitz packages since the ball was in and out.  If the Hawks can get pressure with the front 3 & only one or two LB's, their secondary will keep them in the game.  The Scots o-line appeared average at best and I predict a 7 point win for Ripon if they can get the qb to attempt to move.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 15, 2008, 08:21:50 PM
MC17,

You asked if anyone had seen Ripon's DBs play and also said you were at the game last year. So you have seen them  ;), as I believe all five are returning starters. They held Tanney to 199 yards last year, his season-low I am guessing. So yes, they can play.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2008, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 15, 2008, 08:21:50 PM
MC17,

You asked if anyone had seen Ripon's DBs play and also said you were at the game last year. So you have seen them  ;), as I believe all five are returning starters. They held Tanney to 199 yards last year, his season-low I am guessing. So yes, they can play.



"Not so fast my friend!"

In that game, Tanney had 3 TD passes with 1 interception in 30 attempts.  (Not too shabby.)

The Ripon QB had 0 TD's and 2 interceptions in 12 attempts. 

So, I guess the MC secondary can play, too.   ;D

A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  B A G P I P E S ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 15, 2008, 10:48:23 PM
Upon further review and a clear head I take THE U over SNC this weekend!!!!  If Carroll puts it together they are dangerous.  They haven't played a flawless game yet and what better time to bust one out than on the road against the Knights.  I talked with some guys today and they are fired up for the opportunity to play an elite conference team.  I also think Carroll's defensive scheme matches up well with what the Knights will do on offense.  Bold prediction but sometimes even the irrational makes sense.

Get fired up Pio Nation... loud and proud on Saturday!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on October 15, 2008, 11:05:13 PM
I just dont see ripon winning this weekend... Granted im from monmouth but the scots have the #2 defense in the nation while they have only really been tested twice (SNC and Loras) while ripons defense is ranked 21st...

While the scots offense is ranked 22nd... ripons offense ranks 154th...

i see monmouth winning 31-17 i dont see us pulling away until late second quarter or even into the 3rd... It seems like we have trouble starting off good...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 15, 2008, 11:31:05 PM
National rankings are absolutely a ridiculous criteria to use to determine how good a team is. For example, SNC, I believe, had the top offense in the nation going into the game against Monmouth. I do not intend that to be a knock on SNC but I would probably take Mount Union or UWW over SNC (or the offensive first team all-conference of the MWC.)

Redhawk, way to get behind your team. The only thing I didnt like was the "we'll pass on you." Granted they may surprise someone one of these days but I think the secondary on my championship intramural team could compete with the Ripon offense in the air.

This Monmouth team is totally different than last years team that lost in Ripon. They are more confident and they just have a chip on their shoulder that they did not have last year.

Lets set a line for this game.

Scots4 Line

Monmouth -9.5
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 16, 2008, 07:28:52 AM
If Ripon gets down early, this game will be over.  The option offense is fine for some people, but Ripon hasn't had a steady passing game in the past 6 or 7 years with 99% of the playbook telling them to RUN.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2008, 08:07:49 AM
Some early risers today. Interesting points being made on a couple of games.

Monmouth hosting Ripon is what I pick as the game of the week. I am really looking to see if the offensive line of Ripon can create the holes required for the run. If so, Monmouth could be in trouble controlling the tempo. But I do not think they will have trouble controlling the score. Only one thing to do is out score Ripon and MC has all the weapons needed to do that.

St Norbert hosting Carroll.
OK. This dad is going out on a limb for a change. Are you KIDDING??
Coach Jim lose 2 conference games??? In a ROW?? And if there is any doubt on his offense, I have no doubt what so ever that Coach Dewitt will have that defense so fired up that CU will be wondering where they are.

Add to that the Fly Overs that SNC Stadium is known for this time of year, and what a spectacular day.

OK. Now back to reality. Of course I'm biased. That check for tuition allows me to be. :) I think SNC jumps out quick, maintains to the 3rd then pulls away.

And did I hear:  SCOTTIE says GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2008, 10:07:25 AM
Sure, I'll pull for SNC.  I guess that only gives the Scots' victory more shine, huh?

I'm pretty sure that defensive wiz, Coach Braun, can figure out how to stop the option.  A couple early stops to get the Scots fired up, and it's Game Over for the Fighting Steve Kohls. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2008, 03:46:40 PM
Yes. It's called putting 10 in the box and singling the lone wide out as Ripon only throws on 3rd and 25.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 16, 2008, 06:41:57 PM
Predictions for Saturday:

IC at Beloit - IC in a close one

Lawrence at Knox - I'm gonna say LU gets in the win column this wk

Grinnell at LFC - Gotta say the Forresters, they got talent and they are back on track after two hurtful losses to SNC and Beloit

Carroll at SNC - The matchup of the Pioneer offense/SNC defense will dictate how close this one will be, but I gotta say St. Norbert.  Their offense will score.

Ripon at Monmouth - Game of the Week.....If Ripon wins the conference is still up in the air as they go play what will be some re-energized Green Knights the following week....If Monmouth wins the race is pretty much over. 

To me there is 3 possibilities: Ripon wins a close one, Monmouth wins a close one, Monmouth wins bigger than most expect.  As an MC fan I like that spectrum.

I think Ripon's offense is effective, methodical, and helps their defense by giving them rest with long drives, but I don't think it has the potential to score in bunches to create a blowout.  With a quick strike offense like Monmouth's, it's nice to have when you need to score quick but it's not always helpful to the defense.

I agree with 31-17 mc31, but I'll be different and go Monmouth 27 Ripon 14.

(Because of my bias, I wouldn't be surprised with a Monmouth blowout win either)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 16, 2008, 08:59:45 PM
nother tidbit that noone has talked about much for Monmouth

Very early in the game vs. SNC Monmouth lost their leading receiver going into that game #84 Kyle Wantland with a broken arm.  Didn't seem to affect them against the Green Knights as the other receivers stepped up.  We'll see if they can do the same this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2008, 09:06:21 PM
Please don't even go into injuries.  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on October 16, 2008, 09:39:44 PM
along with wantland our starting fullback Shane ladew has a huge boot on his foot and starting running back clay bricker has a knee injury, but dont think that will stop this hard nose runner... i believe he will still play this weekend though...

im sure that every team has its share of injuries this far into the season... now its about who has strong enough subs to pick up the slack... i know monmouths receiving core is pretty deep and kyle weyneth is a pretty good... he should get the start this weekend, he would have prolly started all year but this is his first year playing college football but he is also a senior



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 16, 2008, 10:03:55 PM
Is Wantland done for the year?

SNCOLDAD, who is down for the Knights right now in terms of injuries?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2008, 10:43:30 PM
Tanney throws such a pure pass that even SNCOLDAD could suit up and catch 7 for 120 yards. 

MC 49 - RC 14




A R E   Y O U   R E A D Y   F O R   S O M E   B A G P I P E S ? ? ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 17, 2008, 12:40:51 AM
I think I'm looking way to into this RC v MC game.  I'm going crazy trying to figure out how good Oshkosh is this year. (Ripon's only test and they played them equally)  They finished third in the WIAC(including a loss to the national champs by just 2 scores) last yr, lost a alot of starters this yr (10 on O, 7 on D) and were only picked to finish 5th in the conference this yr, all 3 of their wins have been close(2 one point wins and a two point win), only beaten one WIAC team this yr so far (Stout 9-7) who was picked to finish 2nd to last in the conference this yr, lost to current #7 in the nation Eau Claire 34-0. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is would Monmouth have beaten Oshkosh, therefore will they beat Ripon or how close will the game be.

Let's just play the game already!

(Also wasn't aware of and taken back by Oshkosh's 9 game schedule, why wouldn't you schedule a 10th game, is there really noone in all of NCAA or NAIA that can fit into their schedule, even do what Eau Claire and Whitewater did)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2008, 02:09:24 AM
It takes two to play a game. I know the lengths UWW went to to try to find a tenth game before settling for playing EC twice. I'm sure Oshkosh had similar trouble. Kudos to Ripon for stepping up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 17, 2008, 09:10:27 AM
FightinTitan2006, Thanks for asking.
No injury reports out of me. Sorry. If I started blabbing all that I know about my son's team, he would even talk to me less than he does now. It is even getting tough to get him to return text messages!  :-\

As far as a 10th game, I have a feeling it is a sign of the times to some degree. It takes money. And unfortunately there are few D3 teams out there that draw enough fans to even remotely support the team. I wonder if ANY MWC team draws enough to cover just bus expenses? Concessions, and 50-50 have to be the largest revenue generator.

Not Good. We all need to support more. I have to tell you that I got hooked on D3 Football and in business I am finding more and more others around the country that seem to enjoy it also. We all need to promote it. I hope that person that asked about the Lake Forest game tomorrow really stops by there.

Oh and SCOTTIE, You better believe I could catch the rock! As long as there isn't a stop watch on me running the pattern!  :P

It is going to be a BEAUTIFUL day along the north end of the Fox River. Tailgaters will be out in full force. The colors should be spectacular, and the fly overs should be plentiful. Just don't look up!  ::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 17, 2008, 09:27:06 AM
I would have to agree, lets play the game already!!  Ripon departs in 1 hour!  I love this group!  Great chatter, great points, but not enough Ripon fans!!!  Calling all Ripon fans, come on in and chatter with me!  The best thing about this group is we can sit here all day and talk about what we think, spit out stats, but if games were won on a teams over all stat then why suit up and play?  Anyone can come in any Saturday and pull off a win, that is why there is nothing better on a Saturday then to sit in the stands and watch GOOD (College) football!!  With that said, I feel that the ones that are talking about the option and "loading the box" don't understand that offense very well.  I could spend hours on this site telling you how the option COULD beat the defense you speak of, but again that does nothing if Ripon doesn't execute.  The key to the game for Ripon is:  Offense needs to have 8-10 minute drives with a score at the end and the defense needs to get a couple quick 3 and outs.  Best of luck to everyone tomorrow, safe travels today and tomorrow for all teams and fans!  I can't wait for 4pm tomorrow to see the scores around the nation!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 17, 2008, 11:59:19 AM
I understand this is division 3 and scheduling can be an issue, but of all the teams its WIAC schools left on the outside with much poorer programs having full 10 game schedules
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on October 17, 2008, 12:24:29 PM
It's because nobody is willing to play the WIAC. Oshkosh opened their season with St. Norberts for something like 25 years. Purtill put an end to that. Hats off to Ripon for having some balls. A few years ago, when Whitewater was somewhat down, they scheduled Mount Union, and St. Johns, the two top teams in the country. Playing the best competition paid off for them. I hope it does for Ripon as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 17, 2008, 12:40:08 PM
Roop,

I didnt realize Eau Claire played Whitewater twice...that could make things interesting. If Eau Claire slips up in another WIAC game, their playoff hope are done, but if they lose twice to Whitewater and play decent, I could still see them still being the second seed.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2008, 01:15:11 PM
Illinois College at Beloit - IC
Lawrence at Knox - KC
Grinnell at Lake Forest - LFC
Ripon at Monmouth - MC
Carroll at St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  scottie - I'll be on the lookout for you Saturday.  Also, great job on the "Fighting Steve Kohls" reference!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bdub2010 on October 17, 2008, 01:53:46 PM
RIPON does not stand a chance on the Monmouth "D"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2008, 02:18:09 PM
Mav: I'm leaving the office now, and Chambana in about an hour.  Look forward to seeing you on campus.

Prediction:  Monmouth BIG on homecoming Saturday.

Peace and love.  Joe the Plumber.  And any other buzz phrase....

T O U C H D O W N   S C O T S ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2008, 08:26:28 AM
Bow season

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots05 on October 18, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
SCOTS IN A BLOWOUT TODAY........THE TAILGATING WILL BE MUCH BETTER THAN LAST WEEK AND RIPON WON'T KNOW WHAT JUST HIT THEM
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 02:01:20 PM
7-0 Ripon takes the opening kickoff for a touch....wow!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 02:08:26 PM
And what do you know....Monmouth comes back and strikes very quickly

7-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 02:20:36 PM
Ripon has already given up their season average half way through the first quarter

10-7 Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 02:36:10 PM
16-7 missed pat

Redhawk defense better figure something out, the Scots are running and passing games are both doing well
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 02:46:06 PM
Ripon gets the field position that they desperately need with another good kickoff return and then a big pass interference penalty and punch one in.

16-14 Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 03:00:05 PM
22-14 MC goes for 2 and do not get it, the Scots defense needs a big stop now
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2008, 03:16:12 PM
What quarter are we in? Sounds like I am missing a great game!?  No defense?  Is Monmouths return team that bad?  Thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 03:25:25 PM
22-14 at the half, despite the fact that the Scots have shot themselves in the foot thusfar.  This game should really probably be about 31-7 or even 31-0, but hopefully we have another signature Monmouth Fighting Scots 2nd half coming our way.  I believe the Scots have outscored their opponents in the 2nd half this year by around a hundred.

Yeah the Scots have only punted once so far, 3 td's and a fg.  It's been like a knife through hot butter, this has been an unstoppable offense that teams just hope to contain the best they can.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on October 18, 2008, 03:38:25 PM
UNSTOPABLEOFFENSE
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 18, 2008, 04:03:33 PM
Does anyone have an update on the Monmouth Homecoming game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 04:07:50 PM
28-22 Ripon....they score on their first two drives of the second half.

The pace of this game is the exact tempo that Ripon wants.  That option has sustained long drives and kept the Monmouth offense off the field in this second half so far.  Most points given up by the Scots defense all year.

I'm stunned
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 04:13:39 PM
28-22 start of the 4th, that was a 3rd quarter from hell for the Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 04:18:03 PM
Fg for the Scots

28-25 Ripon 13:52 left to go
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 04:31:09 PM
I'm convinced, if you want to beat Monmouth..run the option effectively, the Monmouth D can't seem to stop it and it keeps the Monmouth offense and Alex Tanney off the field.

35-25 Ripon with just 8:01 left in the ball game

Norbert, you can beat this team, the Scots don't seem to be built to though.

We'll see if Monmouth can pull off a comeback, but it does not look good.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 04:38:44 PM
35-32 Ripon with 5:25 left

Defense needs a stop!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 04:43:59 PM
Monmouth driving in the waning minutes....nail-biter right now!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 18, 2008, 05:02:59 PM
Does anyone know the final score of the Monmouth game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 05:13:14 PM
OMG!!!!! What a gutsy comeback!!! The Monmouth D gets the stops when they need to,and the Offense scores on a big play at the end.  That was the most exciting game I have seen in a long time.

35-32 Monmouth College comes out on top!

Ripon, you played outstanding.

The Scots showed a lot of mental toughness today in an absolutely amazing comeback thriller.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 18, 2008, 05:15:45 PM
 
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 05:13:14 PM
OMG!!!!! What a gutsy comeback!!! The Monmouth D gets the stops when they need to,and the Offense scores on a big play at the end.  That was the most exciting game I have seen in a long time.

35-32 Monmouth College comes out on top!

Ripon, you played outstanding.

The Scots showed a lot of mental toughness today in an absolutely amazing comeback thriller.

What was the final score again was it 39-35? You said 35-32.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 05:23:02 PM
Actually we are both wrong..........Monmouth 38 Ripon 35 was the final....nonetheless, amazing game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 18, 2008, 05:24:25 PM
Alright thanks bro...I am excited for the guys I was a part of the 2005 team and I would like to see the Scots win the conference and get back into the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 05:41:16 PM
Looks like the SNC-Carroll game was very similar, with the Green Knights scoring with only a minute or so left in the game to win 20-17.

I'm pickiing SNC over Ripon, because I believe that Monmouth left alot of points on the field today against Ripon and it shouldn't have been that close.  Kudos to the Scots for doing what they had to do when they had to do it though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2008, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 05:41:16 PM
Looks like the SNC-Carroll game was very similar, with the Green Knights scoring with only a minute or so left in the game to win 20-17.

I'm pickiing SNC over Ripon, because I believe that Monmouth left alot of points on the field today against Ripon and it shouldn't have been that close.  Kudos to the Scots for doing what they had to do when they had to do it though.

I am alright with you picking norberts, but to say that Ripon was lucky to be that close is crazy.  If you say take away the opening kicking that they returned it wasn't close, well then maybe Monmouth should have tackled.  I think Monmouth was LUCKY to come out with a win.  According to all you monmouth people this game should have been a blown out, on HOMECOMING, please.  Admit that Ripon is a good team and that Monmouth played a good game.  It kills me to read people like you taking away from a great game.  I guess your going to say next that Carroll should have lost by more, sounds to me like both games where played well, and the team with the ball last won.  I will say Congrats to Monmouth, from what i read and heard this was a great game.  Stop taking things away from the players.  Monmouth win out and good luck in the play offs! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 18, 2008, 08:44:51 PM
Wow, LU falls to Knox.  After some improvement a couple years ago, it appears that the Vikings have regressed.  Avoiding a winless season will certainly be a challenge.  :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 09:07:18 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2008, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2008, 05:41:16 PM
Looks like the SNC-Carroll game was very similar, with the Green Knights scoring with only a minute or so left in the game to win 20-17.

I'm pickiing SNC over Ripon, because I believe that Monmouth left alot of points on the field today against Ripon and it shouldn't have been that close.  Kudos to the Scots for doing what they had to do when they had to do it though.

I am alright with you picking norberts, but to say that Ripon was lucky to be that close is crazy.  If you say take away the opening kicking that they returned it wasn't close, well then maybe Monmouth should have tackled.  I think Monmouth was LUCKY to come out with a win.  According to all you monmouth people this game should have been a blown out, on HOMECOMING, please.  Admit that Ripon is a good team and that Monmouth played a good game.  It kills me to read people like you taking away from a great game.  I guess your going to say next that Carroll should have lost by more, sounds to me like both games where played well, and the team with the ball last won.  I will say Congrats to Monmouth, from what i read and heard this was a great game.  Stop taking things away from the players.  Monmouth win out and good luck in the play offs! 

I'm just saying.  I watched the SNC-MC game, and I watched the RC-MC game.  Not that Monmouth played a perfect game against SNC either, but they left alot more points on the field today than they did against SNC.

I already commended Ripon in an earlier post.  They played great, especially in that 3rd quarter.  I just think that regardless, the glass ceiling of the MWC is still in place for them, the monkey is still on their back, and they will probably again finish 7-3 (7-2).  They have a great team, they just failed to make the jump today.  Next week will be an amazing game.

Monmouth College Football in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on October 18, 2008, 09:41:12 PM
QuoteI am alright with you picking norberts, but to say that Ripon was lucky to be that close is crazy.  If you say take away the opening kicking that they returned it wasn't close, well then maybe Monmouth should have tackled.  I think Monmouth was LUCKY to come out with a win.  According to all you monmouth people this game should have been a blown out, on HOMECOMING, please.  Admit that Ripon is a good team and that Monmouth played a good game.  It kills me to read people like you taking away from a great game.  I guess your going to say next that Carroll should have lost by more, sounds to me like both games where played well, and the team with the ball last won.  I will say Congrats to Monmouth, from what i read and heard this was a great game.  Stop taking things away from the players.  Monmouth win out and good luck in the play offs! 

Redhawk you were not at the game... monmouth played very bad... their recievers dropped some wide open passes... im not saying ripon is a bad team ill give it to you they are good but you have to sometimes be at the game to realize how close or far the game really was or should have been.

monmouth should have won by more sorry...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 18, 2008, 09:42:24 PM
It seems to me that looking at the stats that Monmouth did leave a lot of points on the field.  I mean they had 591 yards of total offense and was approaching 100 plays.  I do not say this to take away from Ripon's offense because it seems like they were very efficient with the opportunities that they received in the second half and it also seemed as if they had wonderful field position the whole second half.

Well enough said, both teams made it a great game.  But I have always heard it said the the great teams find a way to win no matter what and Monmouth found a way to win.  Go Scots...no let downs here on out.

Any early thoughts on who will be representing the west region and who all will be hosting who?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 19, 2008, 12:15:53 AM
Jester,

I think regional rankings start this week..if so, this is my best guess for the west

1. UW-Whitewater 6-0
2. Willamette 7-0
3. Occidental 5-0
4. Carleton 5-1
5. Linfield 4-1
6. Monmouth 6-0
7. Wartburg 5-2
8. UW-Stevens Point 5-1
9. Aurora 5-1
10. Concordia Mhead 4-2

St. Johns, Northwestern, Cal Lutheran, Redlands, Buena Vista are in the picture as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2008, 12:39:22 AM
Okay, Scottie is back from a LONG day of football watchin'.  Would have posted earlier but had to zip back over to Illini-town to catch that game...

Now: Mad props to Ripon.  Regardless of how well the Scots could have played - they played how they played, and Ripon almost took this one back to Cheeseland.  My general impressions are that 1.) The Scots can still move the ball at will.  Air Tanney is a force to be reckoned with the remaining 2+ seasons.  Although his receivers dropped some big passes today, they are usually quite solid.  2.) The Scots/Bricker ran the ball well against a very good defense.  Bricker was a horse. 3.) Ripon seemed to pull some pass plays out of the back of the playbook and I was surprised how attempts they tried.  Kudos for that.

Another key point:  Ripon had two MAJOR penalties late in the game.  A late hit out of bounds gave the Scots much needed field position.  And another unsportsmanlike penalty (on their coach?) added to the final scoring drive.  In my opinion, this falls into the "What were they THINKING?" category, and  I wonder if this an example of a team that hasn't been there in awhile wilting under the pressure.   

Bottom line:  The last few possessions of the game were great examples of clutch time management by the Scots.  They scored quickly, got the ball back quickly, and then drove it down the field again for a score.   While I will argue that the better team won, the difference today was miniscule.

What's left for the team in the driver's seat:  Two middle-of-the-pack teams in Lake Forest and IC, either one in which the Scots will have to avoid the Trap.  Then the Turkey Bowl....and the Scots may put up triple digits in that one. 

M O N M O U T H   F O O T B A L L   I N   2 0 0 8 ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 19, 2008, 04:58:16 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 19, 2008, 12:15:53 AM
Jester,

I think regional rankings start this week..if so, this is my best guess for the west

1. UW-Whitewater 6-0
2. Willamette 7-0
3. Occidental 5-0
4. Carleton 5-1
5. Linfield 4-1
6. Monmouth 6-0
7. Wartburg 5-2
8. UW-Stevens Point 5-1
9. Aurora 5-1
10. Concordia Mhead 4-2

St. Johns, Northwestern, Cal Lutheran, Redlands, Buena Vista are in the picture as well.


I think Monmouth will be higher at the end of the season in the regional rankings than whatever they are this week, because some of the teams in front of them might still have potential losses ahead of them while the Scots are going to win out and I don't feel bad guaranteeing it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2008, 05:49:08 PM
Congrats to Monmouth on the win over Ripon... I still think it will be tough to get a home game, but I hope it happens...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 19, 2008, 06:21:16 PM
I have no clue how far or close my rankings will be to the real thing, but I think I pretty well covered all the teams who will be invovled.

These rankings will look significantly different at the end, as I count between 4 and 6 teams listed who still have to play head to head.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2008, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2008, 05:49:08 PM
Congrats to Monmouth on the win over Ripon... I still think it will be tough to get a home game, but I hope it happens...

Still three more weeks to shake things out in terms of the playoff representatives, pairings, etc.  However, a very reliable source told me on Saturday that it is doubtful that Monmouth would get a home game....something about the ticket revenue monopolization which is not guaranteed due to the various "free" sightlines around the field.  In other words, the NCAA might be more concerned that all fans are paying fans, and that a site with an enclosed stadium is preferrable. 

I hope this is not the case.  For those of you who have seen Monmouth's recent "stadium" upgrades, not to mention the locker facilities, you have to admit that the place is pretty sweet.  (Finishing touches to come in the spring of '09.) It would be a shame for a deserving team not to be able to host a game, simply because some fans get a freebie.

L E T   T H E M   H O S T   I N   2 0 0 8 ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 19, 2008, 10:13:17 PM
Any comments on the CU/SNC game?  Nobody was surprised?  I sure wasn't but I figured I'd hear some chatter about it from the SNC fans.  Great game it sounds like.  Right down to the wire.  How did the game shake out... SNC make mistakes?  CU better than people thought?  Key penalties?  Someone give me the run down.  I knew my guys would be fired up, and although we haven't played well there in the past it was about time a Carroll team showed up and put up a hell of a fight.  Too bad they couldn't get a win but it doesn't take anything away from that team.  Sorry, I'm being a homer but I love those guys and I would have loved for somebody I actually know to beat a SNC team.  I'm not convinced anyone has the MWC locked up yet.  The Scots still need to finish out against some games that have "trap-like" potential.  I got Carroll big this weekend over the fightin fire.  Ripon/SNC is the game of the week.  Which team will bring their "A" game?  Ripon off a tough loss or SNC off a tough win?  Tough to say, no predictions from this guy yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 12:41:11 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 19, 2008, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2008, 05:49:08 PM
Congrats to Monmouth on the win over Ripon... I still think it will be tough to get a home game, but I hope it happens...

Still three more weeks to shake things out in terms of the playoff representatives, pairings, etc.  However, a very reliable source told me on Saturday that it is doubtful that Monmouth would get a home game....something about the ticket revenue monopolization which is not guaranteed due to the various "free" sightlines around the field.  In other words, the NCAA might be more concerned that all fans are paying fans, and that a site with an enclosed stadium is preferrable. 

Read: required.

Interesting problem that the school has some time to deal with.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 20, 2008, 12:56:41 AM
The NCAA DOES take the site seriously.  Carthage lost out on a home game 2-3 years ago due to a grossly inadequate pressbox!  (I don't know if there were other problems as well, but that was what got talked about.)

Would temporary fencing be a feasible solution?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 20, 2008, 08:49:32 AM
Very busy weekend and to be honest, did not want to post before.

I will try to be very careful how I word this.
Carroll played a very good game. I am not sure they could have played better.  :)

SNC played a terrible game. I am not sure they could have played flatter the first half.  :(

There. I said it. What an ugly win......... but it was a win.

There just seemed to be very little fire in the belly on SNC. Carroll was very pumped up as were their fans. SNC Fans were pretty quiet. I know. I was one of them.

I realized that the fans also feed off the players with enthusiasm as much as the other way around.

Congrats to the freshman who made the interception at the end of the game. The entire defense swarmed him. That was great.

On to the next one. Not going to look back at this one very long.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 20, 2008, 09:44:46 AM
Thanks for the feedback Pat and Mr. Y. 

I guess "fencing" is not the best word, unless you mean privacy fencing.  Monmouth has plenty of ornamental fencing as it is.  I guess "walls" would be the better word.  Too bad, because I think they've made more than adequate progress on their press box upgrades. 

My only solution for campuses in this situtation would be for the host college to make some sort of financial guarantee to the NCAA. 

I guess revenue is what DIII sports is all about....   ??? ::) >:( :o :-\ :-X :-[ :'(   (Sorry SNCOLDAD, it had to be done.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on October 20, 2008, 02:33:14 PM
Im sure the school would agree to the revenue idea, because fencing is almost out of the question... It would be a shame to not play the game after all the renevations made this past summer...

what does everyone think about ripon and snc... I think ripon has a good chance... it all depends on how snc stops the option... and if ripon can pass when they need to like last week...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 20, 2008, 06:42:44 PM
I know it's not what Monmouth would want, but is there another facility in town (ir a high school field) that would meet all of the NCAA requirements? Or, and I know this will go over poorly, isn't Knox relatively close?

My point being: if your facility is deemed "inadequate" by the NCAA (whether you like it or not), isn't hosting at an alternate site better than no hosting at all? Still more convenient for your fans, less travel, etc...

And, my original point had more to do with the MWC reputation and lack of playoff success than Monmouth's facility. In all of SNC's 10-or-so bids, I think there have been 2 home playoff games. Until the conference - SNC especially, but everyone including apparently Monmouth this year - does better in the playoffs, it will be hard to earn the respect and noterity needed to help earn more home games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 20, 2008, 09:21:25 PM
GB,

I beleieve other programs have hosted home playoff games at other stadiums before, but I am not 100% sure on that...I'm sure Pat knows.

I think Knox is almost completely hill seating and no actual seats, so I'm not sure the NCAA would like that much better. Its probably been 10 years since I was there, so it could have changed.

In the end, if the brackets fall the way of an 8-2 west coast team matching up against Monmouth, I think they would send them fence or fence, rather than change the seedings or make MC travel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 21, 2008, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 20, 2008, 09:21:25 PM
GB,

I beleieve other programs have hosted home playoff games at other stadiums before, but I am not 100% sure on that...I'm sure Pat knows.

I think Knox is almost completely hill seating and no actual seats, so I'm not sure the NCAA would like that much better. Its probably been 10 years since I was there, so it could have changed.

In the end, if the brackets fall the way of an 8-2 west coast team matching up against Monmouth, I think they would send them fence or fence, rather than change the seedings or make MC travel.

Knox rebuilt the stadium and it now has real stands - very nice from what I am told.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 21, 2008, 12:40:54 PM
Monmouth moves up to #20:

AFCA Division III Coaches Poll
By The Associated Press
Through Oct. 19
                               Record  Pts  Pvs
1. Mount Union, Ohio (30)        6-0   990   1
2. Wisconsin-Whitewater (10)     6-0   968   2
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor, Texas     6-0   912   3
4. Muhlenberg, Pa.               7-0   821   5
5. Wabash, Ind.                  6-0   818   4
6. North Central, Ill.           6-0   779   6
7. Wheaton, Ill.                 6-0   767   7
8. Washington & Jefferson, Pa.   6-0   718   8
9. Cortland State, N.Y.          6-0   671   9
10. Millsaps, Miss.               7-0   630  10
11. Trinity, Texas                6-0   594 t11
12. Case Western, Ohio            6-0   518  13
13. Hardin-Simmons, Texas         6-1   507  15
14. Wesley, Del.                  4-1   478  14
15. Willamette, Ore.              7-0   463  16
16. Salisbury, Md.                6-1   330  19
17. Hampden-Sydney, Va.           7-0   329  20
18. Otterbein, Ohio               6-0   315  21
19. Occidental, Calif.            5-0   241  22
20. Monmouth, Ill.                7-0   202  23
21. Curry, Mass.                  7-0   156  25
22. Rensselaer, N.Y.              5-0   114   -
23. Ithaca, N.Y.                  5-1    98   -
24. Wisconsin-Eau Claire          5-2    76 t11
25. Linfield, Ore.                4-1    75   -
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2008, 01:02:02 PM

[/quote] Knox rebuilt the stadium and it now has real stands - very nice from what I am told. [/quote]

The only reason why the Knox Bowl could possibly be an option is that the Scots should have very positive recent memories.  I'm still predicting they hit triple digits in the Turkey Bowl.   ;) 

Anway, there are still a lot of IFs that come into play before we give the Scots the outright championship.  Should the Scots get to host, I suppose they could call in the National Guard to keep all non-paying spectators no closer than 500 feet from the field at all times.  What a crock of "shut yo mouth."

 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 21, 2008, 02:31:10 PM
I suppose the Knox Bowl could be an option...and it wouldn't be a very bad option since MC hasn't lost a game there in quite awhile. :)

Sunny Lane Field, where Monmouth-Roseville HS plays their home games on the west side of town, could be an option also.  The Scots played their last 2 "home" games there about 10 years ago when Bobby Woll Field was unplayable after an extremely muddy game in the middle of the season.  I don't know the NCAA requirements well enough to know whether that field would qualify for a playoff game.

Regardless, it's a shame if Monmouth does get a home playoff game and isn't able to actually play it at home on Bobby Woll Field.  Also, congrats to the Scots on moving up to #20 in the AFCA Poll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2008, 03:46:07 PM
I think it would be a real crime to determine home field by the facilities. Especially since Monmouth just completed a lot of work on their stadium. Who is going to a D3 1st round playoff and not pop the few bucks to watch? If they finish the season undefeated, they deserve a home game in the first round. I also think they can win one. They are probably rated high enough in the west to get a home game against a couple different teams.

As far as holding it at Knox, I don't think so. So Monmouth hasn't lost there for years. There is only one, maybe 2 teams that have, and one is Knox. Sorry. Low blow but it is kinda true. It just would not be the same. If they earn it, they deserve a HOME game.

Time to board a plane.

Just remember, scottie says   GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 21, 2008, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2008, 03:46:07 PM
I think it would be a real crime to determine home field by the facilities.


Well, the truth is the NCAA had real concerns, as I recall, about Minahan - between the lights (both phyical position and their ability) and the lack of locker rooms at the facility. Obviously SNC has hosted, so it convinced the NCAA it was OK.

That said, the NCAA wants to make sure that playoff experiences are nice, somewhat equitable - and, yes, that its financial stake is assured.

That's why there are often specific seating minimums, lockerroom requirements, media room requirements, and on and on. And those do eliminate facilities.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2008, 06:13:20 PM
A few shots of the MC enhancements - some recent, some a few years ago:

New "home" stands, press box, Scottie's private luxury suite, etc:   :D
http://www.monm.edu/slideshows/football-field/football-field10.htm

New "visitor" stands - while under construction:
http://www.monm.edu/slideshows/football-field/football-field6.htm

"Stadium" entrance - done a few years ago (Sorry, no brick walls):
http://www.monm.edu/aboutus/facilities/boucher_plaza.jpg

Location of the locker facilities - which are up to par with the rest of site:
http://www.monm.edu/huff/tour/index.htm

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 21, 2008, 07:30:13 PM
All this facility talk got me wondering... we should rank the conference facilities.  I played in the conference the previous 4 years and have a pretty good idea about all of the facilities, minus the new Knox and Monmouth improvements.  I would really like to hear some feedback from people about this and rank each on your own.  These are my rankings and reasons:

1. Beloit – Could their new complex be any nicer?  Maybe field turf?  No, let's keep this place natural.  Just an awesome experience for visiting teams with terrific locker rooms.

2. IC – Still quite a walk for visitors but what a great atmosphere and field.

3. Monmouth – Field turf in for next year, new seats and press box, entrance way, not to mention the open space a beauty of the campus itself.  Nice weight room.  2 rooms for offense and defense... pretty cool.  If only the locker rooms didn't look like storage areas...

4. Knox – Great new field, but still a hike for visitors.  Weight room is awesome though.  I haven't seen the new field in person but if I voted on the old Bowl it would have been near the bottom.

5. Carroll – Field turf is nice, but getting a little old.  New locker rooms are nice but should have been designed better (they should have made room for visiting teams and put in more than 10 shower heads).  The visiting lockers are not bad, but not great by any means.

6. Grinnell – Natural grass is always in great condition.  Construction this year hurt the appeal, but still pretty nice.

7. LFC – Good venue, especially if the visiting team wants to walk a mile before the game.

8. Ripon – Nice field turf, but what's the deal with the locker rooms?

9. St. Norbert – I know plans are being made to improve the facilities.  I just wish the conference powerhouse had a little more to offer.

10. Lawrence – Tradition or not, the Banta Bowl is cool to look at, but the field is terrible, plus the visiting team locker rooms leave a little to be desired (and the 3 mile walk)

This list is just my person opinion.  Of course I liked playing at Carroll the most but there's no doubt other schools have outdone themselves.  Let's hear what you all have to say.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 21, 2008, 09:15:36 PM
Wierd, piopride being biased again.  I understand that the visitors at SNC have it rough with having to ride the bus from the locker rooms, but come on, Carrol at #5???  You guys and Lawrence have the worst locker rooms possible.  Try fitting 100 guys in there, not to mention it's like a sauna....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on October 22, 2008, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: piopride10 on October 21, 2008, 07:30:13 PM
All this facility talk got me wondering... we should rank the conference facilities.  I played in the conference the previous 4 years and have a pretty good idea about all of the facilities, minus the new Knox and Monmouth improvements.  I would really like to hear some feedback from people about this and rank each on your own.  These are my rankings and reasons:

1. Beloit – Could their new complex be any nicer?  Maybe field turf?  No, let's keep this place natural.  Just an awesome experience for visiting teams with terrific locker rooms.

2. IC – Still quite a walk for visitors but what a great atmosphere and field.

3. Monmouth – Field turf in for next year, new seats and press box, entrance way, not to mention the open space a beauty of the campus itself.  Nice weight room.  2 rooms for offense and defense... pretty cool.  If only the locker rooms didn't look like storage areas...

4. Knox – Great new field, but still a hike for visitors.  Weight room is awesome though.  I haven't seen the new field in person but if I voted on the old Bowl it would have been near the bottom.

5. Carroll – Field turf is nice, but getting a little old.  New locker rooms are nice but should have been designed better (they should have made room for visiting teams and put in more than 10 shower heads).  The visiting lockers are not bad, but not great by any means.

6. Grinnell – Natural grass is always in great condition.  Construction this year hurt the appeal, but still pretty nice.

7. LFC – Good venue, especially if the visiting team wants to walk a mile before the game.

8. Ripon – Nice field turf, but what's the deal with the locker rooms?

9. St. Norbert – I know plans are being made to improve the facilities.  I just wish the conference powerhouse had a little more to offer.

10. Lawrence – Tradition or not, the Banta Bowl is cool to look at, but the field is terrible, plus the visiting team locker rooms leave a little to be desired (and the 3 mile walk)This list is just my person opinion.  Of course I liked playing at Carroll the most but there's no doubt other schools have outdone themselves.  Let's hear what you all have to say.


Its called Home field advantage....

Granted LU doesn't really take advantage, but still...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 22, 2008, 05:42:02 PM
Wow sncfballfan, you are amazing.  Calling me biased by putting my own team's facilities at #5?  Are you kidding me?!?!  You get defensive even about something as trivial as this.  I just wanted to see what people thought about the conference fields and stuff.  I didn't want to stir the pot and try to make people feel bad about how crummy their facilities are.  I unbiasedly ranked all of these.  Had there been any bias Carroll would have been #1, but on this issue I tried to be completely rational.  Sorry that Carroll makes you change in LOCKER ROOMS.  That's a weird idea... SNC should try it.

Larry - I understand the homefield advantage argument.  I've never really felt it exists in the conference (many will disagree with me) but I personally played a below average game there.  The LU players were way more confident with their footing than I was so the field definately played a major role.  I love the look of the Banta Bowl and the seating is awesome.  Does LU have any plans for improving the other aspects of its facilities?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
SEE WHAT YOU DID, PP10???   ;D 

I'm very interested to see how the SNC/RC game shakes out.  (Not interested enough to watch it on the computer, but interested nonetheless.)  Still a lot at stake should the Scots somehow stub their collective toe. 


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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 22, 2008, 06:45:48 PM
Relax my man, there was no stirring the pot at all.  I am the first one to admit that the SNC facilities are TERRIBLE for both home and away teams, it's pathetic and a huge turn off to recruits.  As far as Carroll, I loved playing there with the upgrades they made, just commenting that the locker rooms for visiting teams were very poor. 

As far as #1, it's hard to argue with Beloit and how they accommodate the teams in their facilties. 

Sorry to ruffle your feathers but I should have known better since your alumni can never get the monkey off of their back to take down SNC  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2008, 07:44:33 PM
BOOM SHAKA LACKA!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rookie11 on October 22, 2008, 08:19:12 PM
Have the regional rankings been posted?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2008, 10:59:50 PM
They come out next week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2008, 08:34:56 AM
Another big game for Ripon this weekend.  It would be AWESOME for Ripon to finally get the monkey off their back and beat Norberts, even better is putting norberts with 2 losses.  I will be heading to see this game.  I won't be going to in-depth about this game, I am excited to see the game and obviously looking for a Ripon Win.  SNCOLDad you going to be at that game? 

Good Luck to everyone and safe travels!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2008, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: piopride10 on October 21, 2008, 07:30:13 PM
1. Beloit – Could their new complex be any nicer?  Maybe field turf?  No, let's keep this place natural.  Just an awesome experience for visiting teams with terrific locker rooms.

Actually Beloit was to have field turf installed after the conclusion of last season and it's still in "the works".

The project also included upgrading the track to NCAA standards so that they could host meets. I haven't got a straight answer as to the delay but my guess is that there's more involved than anticipated. What do you do with the light poles ?? Where do you hold the field events without getting rid of the baseball and softball fields; or the practice field behind the stadium ??

I will speculate and say that maybe they should have put the tennis courts elsewhere.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2008, 10:38:35 AM
Redhawk, I had every intention of going but it is not going to happen. I will miss the game. But I will see my son. :)  That is the good news.  ;D

This will be the 1st game I missed this year and last.

I would expect a good game, but I think the overall strength of SNC will do the job. I don't think they will come out as flat as they did last week. If they do, it can be a very short game with Ripon's ball control offense that can eat up the clock in big chunks.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 23, 2008, 12:05:39 PM
How does that work SNCOL ???

Predicting Monmouth and SNC to win out with this weekends game to be a flop for the Red Ducks.  One day Ernst will learn that the option offense is not as effective in college football as other offenses and must get out of the time warp they are in.  I'm sure Ripon fans will argue with that comment but how many QBs are they going to get into that program that have a big time arm and can be relied upon to throw when needed?  High school kids look at all the stats and want to have big numbers while in college and that's definitely not the case down south.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2008, 12:40:04 PM
I tend to agree. College football has evolved into a more wide open game and away from the pure option wishbone that was used by many strong programs many years ago. I believe the big reason is that more High Schools are going to a pro set and more passing than before. This has better prepared a number of players for that type of offense.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 23, 2008, 01:05:38 PM
...and somewhere Eric Crouch is hugging his Heisman tight and crying himself to sleep.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2008, 01:41:44 PM
The 1st bid is likely to win that Heisman on eBay.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 23, 2008, 06:29:47 PM
sncfballfan,

I'm not a Ripon fan by trade, but I will argue with your comment. If you look at Ripon's stats, they don't need a quarterback with a big arm. Its a system offense predicated on a QB making the right reads and a good offensive line. All the other parts are interchangeable. It certainly isn't conducive to coming back, but is meant to shorten the game and thus try to eliminate the chance for an opponent to get up too quick on you unless they are considerably better, in which case it probably doesn't matter what you run. Ripon's won a lot more than they have lost with it and have beat or played well against their measuring stick, MC and SNC, with it the past few years, so I say if it aint broke don't fix it.

And as long as there is football in the Midwest, there will be small schools running the Wing-T, double-wing, veer, etc...you will always find a QB willing and able to run the option.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 23, 2008, 08:10:28 PM
Ripon has some good athletes regardless of the type of offense they run.  You'll see this weekend SNC.  They had the Scots beat, but couldn't finish.  I actually think Ripon is probably more talented than SNC this year but I'm picking SNC anyway, because I feel they still of have some Green Knight voodoo over the Redhawks.

Give Ripon a pocket passer like Tanney and have their current qb and a couple backs change to receiver, who knows what they would have done this year.  I think option is nice, but not the Ripon option more like the Illinois/West Virgnia(Soon to be Michigan) option out of the shotgun with a lot of passing too.


Order the rings Scots!!
Monmouth College Football in 2008!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 23, 2008, 09:03:09 PM
How can you say they don't need a qb with a strong arm??  Have you watched a ripon game in the past 5 or 6 years (ever since Trickey graduated)???  It's 3rd down and long and they have a qb who can't make a play with anything but his legs...and no, throwing a 30 yard "bomb" on a fade and hoping someone in red & white doesn't count....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 23, 2008, 10:06:47 PM
I've seen them go 25-12 the past few years and were up 10 points on the conference champs with about 6 left last week.

The point of the offense is to avoid 3rd and longs...the offense isnt built to convert them when they do get in them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Chief116 on October 24, 2008, 12:01:58 AM
I hope the SNC football team believes the option is outdated. Option football is a great offense. While I agree, it has evolved at some programs, Ripon's system has shown it can put up points and win games. I don't know an offense that is set up for third and long, and if they are, how good is the system anyway.
It is nice to read the respect Ripon gets from teams they have played. Let's see what SNC fans have to say after this weekend.
GO REDHAWKS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 08:53:50 AM
Lets not forget that you also need a suitable receiving corps to become a big play offense. Giving Ripon an All-World QB does not mean they will suddenly throw for 400 yards a game. And I'm not saying that to slight Ripon but we have to face the fact of D3. Recruit all you want but you have to make the best out of what you get.

As long as there are option teams in high school there will always be players available to run it in college. The ball control aspect of it means that your defense is usually well rested. Score all you want but if you can't stop anybody you don't win very often.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2008, 09:04:14 AM
Thank you to everyone that posted about the option, I was going to stay out of it and see what everyone else had to say.  I love when some people make comments with out any idea of what they are speaking of.  If you understand the Option and the point of the option (which it looks like most of you do) then you would never come on a board like this and make a comment like SNCFballfan, but that is what i can expect from a SNC fan.  If you want to really argue, look at the YPG that Ripon has had that last few years.  I am pretty sure they have been in the top in the country for YPG. 

Good Day!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 09:35:41 AM
Breathe In!!!!!!
Breathe Out!!!!

In!!!

Out!!!!

OK everyone. Relax. Yes Sncfballfan has a way with words. A way of stirring the pot!  :)
And I guess I am not totally out of blame here either.  :o

No disrespect intended. One thing that I have to remember is that High School football in the area I live is developed different than HS football in other areas. I found this out when my son went to a Big 10 Football camp for lineman. He was one of the few High School Players that knew how to Pass Block.
Option offense is very difficult to run successfully and the QB has to be capable of reading the defense in a split second. Where it is truly effective in major programs is where the option is opened up even more from the wishbone. Demonstrated by Illinois and Juice. Last year was OK for them but this year they have utilized it less often and part of the option is the pass vs. QB run. Has Ripon been successful with it. Yes, depending on your definition of successful. This year they have been very successful with it. I was hoping they would have been successful for a few more minutes last week against Monmouth. :-\
Will they have success with it this weekend? Yeah. They will move the ball. But how much will only play out on Saturday.

I do find the comment about the "Green Knight voodoo" interesting. I think that came into play against Carroll and who knows, it might come into play this weekend.

The request I would make is do not throw all fans of ANY school into one big group and start attacking. We all have fans that are very outspoken and we all have fans that are very fair.

As far as respect? I respect any player that goes out there and gives it their all in a competitive situation. In some ways the most respect goes to the Knox players or the Grinell players that year after year still work hard and yet have a tough time getting that win that all teams want so bad.

Good luck to all teams this weekend. And yes, especially SNC! Sadly I will miss the game.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 09:53:54 AM
I think the "Green Knight voodoo" thing stems from the fact that they have 350 players on salary their roster and 5 JV teams to hand pick from.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 09:56:46 AM
Whoa ROOP. Man are you wrong on that one. The entire program at SNC has right around 100-110 players. I am sure Coach would like more but check the roster on the website. That is everyone. No hidden players not listed. Some players are placed on a no play list for a given week so they can staff the JV. So let's look elsewhere for the Green Knight Voodoo. Like history maybe?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 09:58:31 AM
Oh, and the salary   comment. I wish as a father. Oh, you were talking about the Hockey team, right? ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 10:04:22 AM
Must have hit pretty close to the mark to get you so riled. LMAO. Just a little ribbing is all I intended.

What the SNC hockey players make is of no concern to me as Beloit hasn't had a hockey program in many years.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on October 24, 2008, 10:05:30 AM
122 players
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 24, 2008, 10:39:14 AM
I wish there was a SNC salary that was offerred to the football team, would make things a lot easier on the pocket book right now!

We will argue back and forth all day on the option football. Has Ripon won games over the past few years with it?  Sure, you can claim that they are 25-12 but they have gotten over the top how many times???  Look at the stats that the Ripon qb has put up against SNC over the past 3 or 4 years, it has cost them the game.  You can win all the games you want, but until you're on top of the conference, that is not being successful (welcome to the world of St Norbert football).  Whether SNC finishes 8-2 this year or 2-8, the fact of the matter is they didn't win conference which means it was an unsuccessful year.  Actually, here I will post the stats for you....

2008....mystery....
2007.....  Walters, 2 for 9 for NINE YARDS and 3 INT & 2 team fumbles
2006.....  Faulds, 8 for 22 for 100 yds and 3 INT & 3 team fumbles
2005.....  Faulds, 7 for 17 for 120 yds and 3 INT & SIX team fumbles
2004.....  Faulds, 4 for 18 for 114 yds and 1 INT & 3 team fumbles
2003 & prior..... They took the darn stats off of the internet....

You can claim that they just don't play well vs SNC or whatever you want, but once again...until you get solid qb play, you guys will not win the big game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 10:59:21 AM
Hey ROOP. Just wanted to make sure you didn't put us in the same category as a Whitewater or Mt. Union on size of team.  ;)

Flash, thanks for counting. I knew it was up this year but I did not realize that much.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2008, 10:59:57 AM
I read with interest the latest discussion about the Ripon option offense on d3football.com. I was glad to see some others come on in defense of the offense. I'm sure every defensive coordinator in the MWC would LOVE for Ripon to do what everyone else does offensively so they don't have any special preparation for Ripon.

Apparently there are some people that don't realize that the last two seasons Ripon finished second both years in scoring offense, and second in '06 and first in '07 in total offense. It seems to me that moving the ball and scoring is what an offense is supposed to do, and Ripon does it very well. Apparently the SNC people don't get it that we scored MORE points against Monmouth AT Monmouth than SNC did against Monmouth AT HOME this year.



They also apparently don't realize that we're not trying to recruit the QB with the great arm. We're recruiting the HS option QB that can throw well. Since we're the only college in Wisconsin, and one of only 3 or 4 in the upper Midwest that runs true option, we have a pretty endless supply of quality option QBs and fullbacks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 11:30:43 AM
Redhawk, absolutely no doubt that the D Coaches all have to change preparation for Ripon's Offense. In some cases a change in personnel is in order also.

I have no problem with Ripon running the option. It is pound it in your face football. Can be very entertaining from the stands and frustrating to the defense trying to stop it.

Speaking of the defense, how does the Ripon defense prepare for all the other teams in the MWC?

And you are correct as far as I am concerned. I did not realize that Ripon has been the offensive machine over the past few seasons that you state. Very impressive. They seem to be able to move the rock consistently and in big chunks.

Now back to the defense........... Aw, never mind.

Guys, every year is different for every team. Rebuilding, working with what you have, injuries and so on. My point is that it appears right now that any of 3 teams could win the MWC in any given year. But they haven't. Does that mean SNC will beat Ripon tomorrow? Nope. I think it could be a very good game. But what has happened in the past can sometimes affect the future. I am sure it is similar in basketball, soccer, baseball and other sports that have been dominated in conference by one or two schools. It was Grinnell in B ball from what I have heard. Do they win games due to reputation? Sometimes that is the edge that it takes. 

I go back to the term someone else used...... SNC VOODOO
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2008, 11:33:53 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2008, 10:59:57 AM
Apparently the SNC people don't get it that we scored MORE points against Monmouth AT Monmouth than SNC did against Monmouth AT HOME this year.

With the same result in the Win/Loss column.   :o

Sorry, just getting a little anxious for this weekend's kickoffs.   :D

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 10:59:21 AM
Hey ROOP. Just wanted to make sure you didn't put us in the same category as a Whitewater or Mt. Union on size of team.  ;)

No, I would never do that, nor could I even if I wanted to. Everyone knows that those two programs are 1AA (FCS) masquerading as D3s. And yes I know Pat, they both play by the same rules as everyone else but they have also made football such a priority that the rest of the Division hasn't had much of a chance lately.

I don't think we need a D4 but I do think we need to look at budgets spent on a per sport/per athlete basis. My point is: Why do we never hear about the success of the Mt. Union basketball team ?? I'm sure they have one.

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2008, 11:41:56 AM
We keep concentrating on Ripon's Offense.  I know exactly what SNCOLDAD was getting at and there is MORE to a game then just offense.  There is defense and special teams!  So for people to say  that the reason Ripon doesn't win against the big teams is just because of the offense is crazy.  

Enough of this topic.

Good luck to everyone, exept for SNC for obvious reasons!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2008, 11:41:56 AM
Good luck to everyone, exept for SNC for obvious reasons!

"exept" for SNC................... Don't worry, I guarantee they will be going south next week. Mark it down.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 12:04:36 PM
C'mon people. You mean to tell me that nobody got that one  ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2008, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2008, 11:41:56 AM
Good luck to everyone, exept for SNC for obvious reasons!

"exept" for SNC................... Don't worry, I guarantee they will be going south next week. Mark it down.

HAHA, you caught me!  That's what happens when you are trying to listen in on a phone conference and type at the same time!  I got it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 24, 2008, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 11:30:43 AM
Redhawk, absolutely no doubt that the D Coaches all have to change preparation for Ripon's Offense. In some cases a change in personnel is in order also.

I have no problem with Ripon running the option. It is pound it in your face football. Can be very entertaining from the stands and frustrating to the defense trying to stop it.

Speaking of the defense, how does the Ripon defense prepare for all the other teams in the MWC?

And you are correct as far as I am concerned. I did not realize that Ripon has been the offensive machine over the past few seasons that you state. Very impressive. They seem to be able to move the rock consistently and in big chunks.

Now back to the defense........... Aw, never mind.

Guys, every year is different for every team. Rebuilding, working with what you have, injuries and so on. My point is that it appears right now that any of 3 teams could win the MWC in any given year. But they haven't. Does that mean SNC will beat Ripon tomorrow? Nope. I think it could be a very good game. But what has happened in the past can sometimes affect the future. I am sure it is similar in basketball, soccer, baseball and other sports that have been dominated in conference by one or two schools. It was Grinnell in B ball from what I have heard. Do they win games due to reputation? Sometimes that is the edge that it takes. 

I go back to the term someone else used...... SNC VOODOO


The Scots don't believe in it, other schools I think do.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2008, 12:17:06 PM
Mmmmm, no, you didn't.

Perhaps the MWC schedule would enlighten thee.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on October 24, 2008, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 10:59:21 AM
Hey ROOP. Just wanted to make sure you didn't put us in the same category as a Whitewater or Mt. Union on size of team.  ;)

Flash, thanks for counting. I knew it was up this year but I did not realize that much.

Whitewater, and all WIAC schools are limited to roster size of 100 maximum per conference rule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 24, 2008, 12:26:56 PM
The WIAC schools get around this by openly grey-shirting, meaning they recruit kids and then have them sit out as freshmen, weight-lift and train, then come out as sophomores and play four years if they are willing.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2008, 12:40:32 PM
There are PLENTY of differences (that go far beyond roster sizes) between the WIAC and most other D3 conferences.  But that is stating the obvious.  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
Illinois College at Grinnell - IC
Beloit at Lawrence - BC
Lake Forest at Monmouth - MC
St. Norbert at Ripon - SNC
Knox at Carroll - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 24, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
On the topic of roster sizes....want to see something that will blow your mind then go to the website for Mary Hardin-Baylor

I think I counted 173!!!!! I really hope that's everyone and there is not greyshirt situation there

I'd love to watch a scrimmage between their 6's and 7's.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on October 24, 2008, 01:30:10 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 24, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
On the topic of roster sizes....want to see something that will blow your mind then go to the website for Mary Hardin-Baylor

I think I counted 173!!!!! I really hope that's everyone and there is not greyshirt situation there

I'd love to watch a scrimmage between their 6's and 7's.

They have enough they may have 7's vs 8's   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2008, 03:27:27 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 24, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
On the topic of roster sizes....want to see something that will blow your mind then go to the website for Mary Hardin-Baylor

I think I counted 173!!!!! I really hope that's everyone and there is not greyshirt situation there

I'd love to watch a scrimmage between their 6's and 7's.

If you bought Kickoff you'd have access to the roster size of all 239 teams. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2008, 03:30:35 PM
Shameless Commercial... ;D and rightfully so.

Thanks Pat
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2008, 03:31:09 PM
Sorry, just too easy. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 24, 2008, 04:51:03 PM
Its late October, Monmouth has the MWC football title wrapped up, D3hoops basketball rankings came out today and the first basketball games are around the corner, yet the football board is buzzing, while the hoops board is quiet.

Its bizarro world, but I like it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2008, 06:24:47 PM
FT'06: Slow down and smell the roses.  Savor the moments that make up the fall football season.  Let this season play out...everyone root root root for the Scots...and then nestle into winter and basketball season. 

G I M M E A  "S"  G I M M E A  "C"  G I M M E AN  "O"  G I M M E A "T" G I M M E A N O T H E R  "S"

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2008, 07:39:03 AM
As you insist scottie...............

Rah rah ree, kickem in the knee
Rah rah rass, kickem in the other knee

Goooooooooooo Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2008, 02:20:10 PM
Would somebody from PennAtlantic please remove the microphones from the Lawrence broadcast booth. While you're at it please get a different cameraman as well.

"Dudes" you're not very good..................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2008, 02:28:11 PM
Can't get in. Keep getting fatal error from their site.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2008, 02:32:35 PM
If anyone has a way to get the SNC - Ripon game let me know. Audio or video. I don't care. PennAtlantic is not working.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2008, 03:56:00 PM
End of 3rd
Ripon-16
SNC - 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2008, 04:29:05 PM
Final
Ripon - 19
SNC - 7
:'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Chief116 on October 25, 2008, 05:45:56 PM
ripon defense WOW! guess the option is not dead yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bball312 on October 25, 2008, 07:54:44 PM
Not a bad week in the MWC. I see Monmouth took care of business against lowely Lake Forest. The interesting part of this week was Norberts at Ripon. Everyone on here said Ripon's option was trash, living in the old age, and then they come out and punch Norberts in the mouth. Ripon missed several opportunities to score in the red zone. (first and goal inside the five, missed field goals etc) So much for the voodoo that everyone was talking about. It is a shame there isnt a championship game in this conference to see Monmouth and Ripon go back at it. Those two teams clearly seperated themselves from the pack this year. I understand Norberts was missed a few starters, Ripon was missing a few too, but Norberts didnt even seem to want to play today. Two more week left!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2008, 08:08:51 PM
Congrats to Ripon on the win. Won't even comment on bball312's post. With his wrong school name, his generalizations of "Everyone" (that would include him even) And I will definitely not comment on injuries.

I was finally able to log into the TV after an hour of trying. That site is weak!

What can I say? I am sad for Norbert (no s if you want to be accurate) and respect the victors.


Now, WHAT ABOUT WHITEWATER??????   That is a shock!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 25, 2008, 10:12:01 PM
I hope nobody says anything about injuries because Ripon still put up 454 yards of offense with five offensive starters out. St. Norbert seemed flat all day. I don't know why, but still kudos to Ripon. What a heartbreaker last week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2008, 12:32:34 AM
Not sure what to think about the Scots win, other than it being an a$$ whooping.  Only 4 first downs for LFC?  I felt sorry for whoever was taking care of LFC's punts (12) and MC's kick-offs (10).  Those are two legs in need of the whirlpool.   :D

As for the GOTW, hats off to Ripon.  A few days ago, a SNC poster mentioned something about successful seasons ending in championships.  I wonder if the air totally left their sails (or some other attempt at an analogy) after it was apparent that Monmouth was firmly in the driver's seat after last week's win.  Heck, if the PA guy was announcing MWC score updates during today's game, the MC/LFC scores couldn't have given them any additional inspiration.  Just a theory.

On to Jacksonville....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 26, 2008, 06:53:41 AM
Good win for the Bucs as most of the stats say that this one should have gone to the Vikings. However, 4 turnovers and a 1 for 4 effort in the red zone did LU in.

A .500 season is still within the Bucs reach and that's quite a 1 year turn around. However with St. Norbert coming to town it will probably have to wait a week. Now Grinnell has some bulletin board material.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2008, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: bball312 on October 25, 2008, 07:54:44 PM
Not a bad week in the MWC. I see Monmouth took care of business against lowely Lake Forest. The interesting part of this week was Norberts at Ripon. Everyone on here said Ripon's option was trash, living in the old age, and then they come out and punch Norberts in the mouth. Ripon missed several opportunities to score in the red zone. (first and goal inside the five, missed field goals etc) So much for the voodoo that everyone was talking about. It is a shame there isnt a championship game in this conference to see Monmouth and Ripon go back at it. Those two teams clearly seperated themselves from the pack this year. I understand Norberts was missed a few starters, Ripon was missing a few too, but Norberts didnt even seem to want to play today. Two more week left!

That's a bit of an exageration, I'm pretty sure most people said it was going to be a good game.  Ripon beat SNC by 12 at home and lost to Monmouth, I don't think anyone's seperated from the pack.

I'm sure Monmouth wishes they could beat Ripon again, but this time decisively to leave no doubt.  When you outgain your opponent by like 200 yds you should usually win by more than 3.  They could then take the money made from the conference championship game and give it to the NCAA to let them host a playoff game.

Not really surprised that Ripon won, like I said I think they have more talent this yr but until they actually beat SNC they were the underdog.  Hate to remind Ripon fans this game doesn't mean anything though.  Doesn't mean they will beat SNC next yr now, and it definitely doesn't mean they are getting a conference title anytime soon. Air Tanney has two yrs left.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 26, 2008, 01:24:42 PM
It could mean a great deal if Whitewater loses again. So lets not end the season right now
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2008, 02:24:57 PM
What?!?!   Whitewater 8-2 vs. Ripon 8-2 = Ripon gets in???

Season is over in 2 weeks for the Redhawks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 26, 2008, 05:04:31 PM
Here is my guess for the initial west regional rankings and yes I know what happend in the Whitewater-Point game, but I still expect UWW to be ranked higher.

1. Wilamette (7-0)
2. UW-Whitewater (6-1)
3. UW-Stevens Point (6-1)
4. Occidental (6-0)
5. Monmouth (8-0)
6. Concordia-Moorhead (5-2)
7. Wartburg (6-2)
8. Redlands (6-1)
9. Aurora (6-1)
10. Cal Lutheran (6-1)


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on October 26, 2008, 05:10:12 PM
HAHA ya thats not gonna happen..  sad to say it but Ripon's chances are pretty slim...

The option offense if run correctly cannot be stopped, much like any offense. the only difference is with the slot bone set up in a balanced way like it is.. Whatever a defense throws at a team it can be countered without changing anything. A huge problem with it is the players themselves, as they have to be EXTREMELY unselfish and alot of players dont want that. Players want stats and are about themselves more then winning. I have always been a fan of the option ever since I ran it all those years ago ::) and I still am a huge fan of teams that can have success with it, which is sadly a declining number. But Ripon showed yesterday that it can still be run successfully as they moved up and down the field at will on SNC's defense.. if it hadnt been for missed assignments and 4th down stand on the 3 it woulda been 21-7 at half at least but i guess that can be said for everygame. Ripon's defense showed why are they right there with monmouth at the top of the conference as they absolutley dominated the Knights offense... not even trying to be biased towards anyone.. the game was nowhere near as close as the score was.. sorry
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 26, 2008, 07:14:15 PM
Thats how I feel, not trying to be biased, but the RC-MC score should have not even been that close.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2008, 10:04:23 PM
Speaking of our favorite team.... ;) the Scots are now "#26" in the D3 poll.  That is about par for the course, as the MWC champs the last few years usually get up to about #25 by the end of the regular season - typically if they are undefeated at the time.  A couple more wins over a scrappy IC squad and a crappy Knox team, and the Scots might move up one more spot.

S N C O L D A D    S A Y S   G O   S C O T S ! ! !    ;D    ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on October 26, 2008, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 26, 2008, 07:14:15 PM
Thats how I feel, not trying to be biased, but the RC-MC score should have not even been that close.

whys that? because of the yards? There was I think 3 times..? that Monmouth drove the length of the field and Ripons D stiffened up and held them to a fg. So that would create a large discrepancy in the yardage column which is decieving. Do you want to say that monmouth shot themselves in the foot? well so did ripon, like that fumble with around 5 or 6 mintues left which gave monmouth the chance to score. I mean the way Ripon was moving the ball in the 2nd half they would have been able to eat up a couple minutes and essentially put it away. I'm not trying to take anything away either team because it was one of the most well played d3 games i have seen in many years and MC just had one more play in their backpocket. im just saying dont take anythig away from a very good Ripon squad that gave your team all they could handle.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 26, 2008, 10:49:00 PM
scottie, who did they play for a non-conference game and what are they ranked? I am sure that can help also if it a tough opponent.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2008, 10:50:38 PM
http://www.d3football.com/school/Monmouth/2008
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2008, 11:29:43 PM
Loras is in the "middle of the pack" in the IIAC.  Their conference leader, Wartburg, is further down in the "others receiving votes."

I hope the Scots lace up their toe-stubb-free cleats for the Blueboys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 26, 2008, 11:38:27 PM
MWCAlum- I am not trying to take anything away from Ripon at all. I have just seen a lot of Monmouth football over the years, including this season, and many of the players did not play their best games. I really do not have any evidence to offer you up except my own personal opinion after watching the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MC17 on October 26, 2008, 11:57:43 PM
so we got the blueballs this week. They are a team that throws the rock but they are facing the number 2 team, before this week and this week couldnt have hurt, in the nation in passing efficiency. GOODLUCK!!! I cant wait to travel down to this game and watch how fast the Monmouth D looks on the turf. The IC QB has more touchdowns then tanney but on the other hand he prolly stays in later in the game then Tanney does since more than half of our games have been blowouts. I just want to see Tanney play this whole game and throw four 8 or 9 tuddys.

Like I said GOODLUCK, but no chance!

48-14 of course the Scots way
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 27, 2008, 12:48:43 AM
Quote from: MWCalum on October 26, 2008, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 26, 2008, 07:14:15 PM
Thats how I feel, not trying to be biased, but the RC-MC score should have not even been that close.

whys that? because of the yards? There was I think 3 times..? that Monmouth drove the length of the field and Ripons D stiffened up and held them to a fg. So that would create a large discrepancy in the yardage column which is decieving. Do you want to say that monmouth shot themselves in the foot? well so did ripon, like that fumble with around 5 or 6 mintues left which gave monmouth the chance to score. I mean the way Ripon was moving the ball in the 2nd half they would have been able to eat up a couple minutes and essentially put it away. I'm not trying to take anything away either team because it was one of the most well played d3 games i have seen in many years and MC just had one more play in their backpocket. im just saying dont take anythig away from a very good Ripon squad that gave your team all they could handle.

Hate to tell you this and go against you because Ripon really impressed me....but,

Yardage columns are not decieving, scores are decieving...not yardage columns. 


Game was close because Ripon won 1/3 of the game (special teams) by alot.

Monmouth only kicked 2 fg's and one was after a 15 yd drive.

Monmouth outgained Ripon 519-338 while outrushing them on fewer carries and ofcourse passing for more yards, and had 13 more first downs (31-18) and won the turnover battle 3-1.  I would say Monmouth won the other 2/3 of the game. 

If they played again in a conference championship game Monmouth wins by 2-3 scores with the game never being in doubt.

I think the Scots offense sort of misses #84 Kyle Wantland their leading receiver going into the SNC game who broke his arm early in that game.  Hope he is ready by the time round 1 comes around so we can see that offense come full circle.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2008, 09:24:35 AM
Quote from: MC17 on October 26, 2008, 11:57:43 PM
so we got the blueballs this week. They are a team that throws the rock but they are facing the number 2 team, before this week and this week couldnt have hurt, in the nation in passing efficiency. GOODLUCK!!! I cant wait to travel down to this game and watch how fast the Monmouth D looks on the turf. The IC QB has more touchdowns then tanney but on the other hand he prolly stays in later in the game then Tanney does since more than half of our games have been blowouts. I just want to see Tanney play this whole game and throw four 8 or 9 tuddys.

Like I said GOODLUCK, but no chance!

48-14 of course the Scots way

You and the other kiddos remember to be gracious in victory or defeat.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2008, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2008, 02:24:57 PM
What?!?!   Whitewater 8-2 vs. Ripon 8-2 = Ripon gets in???

Season is over in 2 weeks for the Redhawks

Not so fast. Remember that Whitewater played an NAIA team so they would have 1 less in region game and the same number of losses. So it would be 7-2 UW-W compared to 8-2 Ripon.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2008, 10:04:36 AM
Roop: What are you smoking up in your deer stand these days?  Your talking about defending champion UW-W vs. Ripon from the "never-had-more-than-one-bid" MWC.  I have a pretty good hunch which way the selection committee would lean....Warhawks over Redhawks.

Besides, Ripon still has a feisty Grinnell and a hungry Lawrence waiting in the wings.   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 27, 2008, 10:10:03 AM
Roop,

I don't think there is a chance in hell a 2-loss Whitewater team doesn't make the field. However, if a ton of other teams drop to two losses in the west and Oshkosh wins its final three games, then I would agree that Ripon could enter the at-large picture, but the odds are against that happening.

Probably never a better chance than this year for the MWC to get two teams in, if only Ripon hadnt come up a yard short against Oshkosh.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2008, 10:41:00 AM
Combined OWP/OOWP

UW-Whitewater 1.118
Ripon 1.080

Another UW-W loss makes this a dead heat and likely swings it to Ripons favor due to playing 1 more in region game. Is this likely to happen ?? Probably not but if in region play is the end all and be all of selection criteria, I think Ripon has a beef should they get left out at 8-2.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 27, 2008, 11:34:09 AM
Until the conference champion from the MWC wins a few games in the playoffs our conference will never see much love.  And I hate to admit it, but the average teams in the WIAC could prolly take our conference champion.  Case and point, UWEC over SNC last year (and that was a pretty darn good SNC team if you recall).  I want Monmouth to run the table and represent the conference well so we can have more playoff hopefuls in the future, but if you let Ripon play Whitewater I'm guessing blowout.  It's just a different game with those schools.  I mean their enrollments are about 10,000 so they just have that many more people to work with.  Plus a lot of those schools are establishing themselves as playing competitively in arguablly the nation's best conference.  So my guess for the next couple years is that the MWC will only have 1 representative.  Is it fair?  I think yes.  Our conference is competitive amongst itself (and not really even with a lot of the teams being consistently bad year in and year out).   The seasons not over yet, but when it is the Scots will have earned my cheers and respect.  Until then, get after 'em Carroll.  A 7 win season wouldn't be a bad way to finish off the year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2008, 12:08:59 PM
You'll have to forgive Roop -- he doesn't have much experience with the whole playoff concept.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2008, 12:13:37 PM
ZING!  

Careful, Pat....as The Roop likes to remind us:

<----------<<<<  It's bow season!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2008, 12:18:42 PM
COLD PAT. REAL COLD!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2008, 12:18:58 PM
LOL and touche' Pat. My concept of what the play off system "should be" is Pool C criteria only and 16 teams is enough. If certain conferences never get in then they simply need to get better. Besides, we wouldn't be having this conversation had Point not won. Blame Old School.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on October 27, 2008, 12:58:45 PM
MWCfan... I understand what your saying but Ripon is a team that puts a huge emphasis on special teams and they won that.. the turnover battle if you were watching the game was honestly more like 1-1 with Ripon fumbling a snap and that INT right before the half the WR's hip collapsed on his cut. Granted thats part of the game but still, realistically this game was as close as can be. I think in 10 games it would be 5-5, maybe 6-4 either way. These teams are very even!

Roop does make some very good points, unfortunatley i dont think the committee thinks the same way.. barring an absolutely unheard of ending, its the purple hawks over the red hawks.. UW-W, Mount Union, just a couple schools that have quite the advantage over other teams.. I know its not going to happen, but maybe they need to be looked at as teams that could play d2..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2008, 01:11:50 PM
Lots of good conversation going on here. And the activity is great to see. My comments on lots of topics:
1. scottie made a very important point. Win with integrity - lose with integrity.
2. We can hash it all day long on who is better. That was one VERY close game.
3. Score is the final stat that matters.
4. Other stats can give you a flavor of the game. Example SNC vs. Monmouth.
5. MWC teams need to play top level opponents outside of conference.
6. MWC needs a playoff win.
7. UW Whitewater will absolutely make the playoffs.
8. MWC needs 2 or 3 teams that FILL the stadium every week. Example, the Johnnies. This will have the committee look at us more. Think money at the gate.
9. No matter what, I still say GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Chief116 on October 27, 2008, 01:41:18 PM
Im new to the playoff thing also. IF ripon had won the oshkosh game, do they get in? IF ripon wins out thier two loses were by a total of 4pts. both games they were in it until the end. Should'nt that be in the mix
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2008, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2008, 01:11:50 PM
5. MWC teams need to play top level opponents outside of conference.

I agree but the MWC teams still only have 1 non-conference game to schedule every year. Not sure how much one non-conference game against a power team is going to help the cause. St. Norbert is the only one that tried that this year anyway. The only way to have more non-conference games is to go to a divisional system and then Team X will always complain that Team Y didn't have to play Team Z this year.

Besides. St. Norbert, Carroll and Ripon would have to be in one division and Monmouth would always rule the other. Beloit and Lake Forest would be a good fit in either, because of their locations, but neither is ready to challenge for the top spot right now.

There is no easy fix until the MWC decides it wants to be a football conference and right now it's not a high priority.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2008, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: Chief116 on October 27, 2008, 01:41:18 PM
Im new to the playoff thing also. IF ripon had won the oshkosh game, do they get in? IF ripon wins out thier two loses were by a total of 4pts. both games they were in it until the end. Should'nt that be in the mix

Perhaps. Right now, though, there is zero way Ripon gets in ahead of UW-Whitewater because of the strength of schedule and the common opponent.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2008, 01:58:39 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2008, 01:11:50 PM
8. MWC needs 2 or 3 teams that FILL the stadium every week. Example, the Johnnies. This will have the committee look at us more. Think money at the gate.

This isn't the NAIA or the FBS. Attendance is not a factor in getting into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
Pat, I would like to think that. But the NCAA is the NCAA and $$$ is usually a factor. Hypothetically it comes down to one spot open for a play off. Ripon and St Johns are the remaining 2 teams to get a bid. All else being equal, (remember I said hypothetically) who gets the bid? The one that draws a few hundred or the one that they know will fill the house?

I know what you are saying though. Chances of it coming down to that and no other differences are very slim and extreme.

Chief116. Ask Pat where his play off explanation is. It is well worth the reading. :)
And we all know Pat will always plug a link to other spots on this site. Right Pat?  :P

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2008, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
Pat, I would like to think that. But the NCAA is the NCAA and $$$ is usually a factor. Hypothetically it comes down to one spot open for a play off. Ripon and St Johns are the remaining 2 teams to get a bid. All else being equal, (remember I said hypothetically) who gets the bid? The one that draws a few hundred or the one that they know will fill the house?

I know what you are saying though. Chances of it coming down to that and no other differences are very slim and extreme.

Chief116. Ask Pat where his play off explanation is. It is well worth the reading. :)
And we all know Pat will always plug a link to other spots on this site. Right Pat?  :P

The FAQ is linked right below this post, as always.

All else is never equal. There's always some determining factor to use. But coming down to the last bid, home attendance shouldn't even be close to a factor, since that team isn't going to get a home game.

Again, this isn't like the Orange Bowl picking a team based on profit margin.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2008, 03:32:02 PM
Very good point on the home game. Had not thought about that. Do you think they take proximity into account? I would assume for over the 500 mile range but what about within that range? Try to have the closer school get the bid to have a better following? Just a thought. At least there is a playoff in D3. It may have faults to some, but it is there unlike the guess work in D1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 27, 2008, 05:52:08 PM
I agree this is d3, there is not alot of money being made.

But, if that is the case then why would the NCAA reject Monmouth of hosting a playoff game due to people being able to see the game for free.  With the updates to the stadium this year mainly focused on a new much larger press box, I am pretty sure they have the facilities to host the media that other teams who host d3 playoff games have had.  And to see if the stadium updates are up to par does the NCAA send someone there to check it out?

It might not even be an issue if the Scots are ranked low in the west region, but I would think they'd be a team to get a home game.

I agree that attendance probably doesn't have anything to do with seeding.

Attendance is easy for some schools compared to others.  I attend Monmouth College so I know the atmosphere (small area, small enrollment, small but nice new and clean facilities).  On a trip this summer we were in the area and had time so we checked out Whitewater's campus and stadium.  After seeing their campus size and facilities, I found it comical that the two schools are in the same division.  We could have our 100% of our campus at that stadium (faculty included) and then the whole population of Monmouth (9000) there and the place would just be filled. The Scots drew a crowd of 3200 at home against Ripon with the conference on the line(not sure how they got that number since they don't charge for games) and the Monmouth-St. Nobert game drew 2466 in De Pere.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2008, 09:02:49 AM
Maybe if they solve the fence problem Monmouth could agree to a split session and empty the stadium at half time to boost sales revenue.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2008, 09:31:24 AM
The Roop:  This isn't MWC tourney basketball!   ;D

By and large, Monmouth DOES have fencing.  Beautiful, ornamental fencing at that.  And, they have enclosed enough of the "stadium" that they could easily charge admission to get into the place - if you'd like to watch the game from the home and visitors stands.  But, there are also boundaries beyond the venue that still provide decent-to-great views of the game for the "thrifty" fan. 

Regardless, this fan says that if Monmouth deserves to host a game, then......

L E T   T H E M   H O S T   I N   2 0 0 8 ! ! !

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 01:59:21 AM
Predictions for an unexpected wild Saturday:

St. Norbert at Beloit - SNC needs a blowout to make themselves feel better and I think they'll get it.......until Beloit comes back from 35 pt 4th quarter deficit inspiring the publication of "Out of the Comfort Zone II"

Lake Forest at Knox - Knox wins in a barnburner 2-0 with the safety coming on the opening possession of the game

Grinnell at Ripon - Maloney breaks the single game tackle record and then plays qb  in the second half for a comeback win

Lawrence at Carroll - karma game...LU gets in the win column and gets Carroll for ruining the chance for SNC to have 3 straight conf. losses after winning however many in a row they had

Monmouth at IC - IC did take Monmouth to OT last yr, but the Scots leave no doubt this yr (won't do it, they are the only team I don't wanna be apart of a possible jinxing)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2008, 08:40:09 AM
Don't get the Norbert folks, or is it Norberts folk, too riled up. They know where I'm parking and I want to make a clean get away after Beloits 35th point in the 4th quarter. Scoring differential vs. common opponents is much closer than many would think and +7 for home field advantage puts Beloit within two scores at 36-20. 4 turnovers and a 15 minute advantage in time of possession should give Beloit a 27-24 win.

Having said that would anyone care to hear how a 6-4 Beloit team will host Whitewater in the first round ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 29, 2008, 09:24:48 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 01:59:21 AM

Grinnell at Ripon - Maloney breaks the single game tackle record and then plays qb  in the second half for a comeback win


OR.....Grinnell's honorary head coach, David Arseneaut, devises a new offensive scheme: Go for the 3, no matter how close to the goal you are...Allow uncontested drives on defense to get the ball back for another 3 attempt...lather...rinse...repeat.  Final Score: Ripon 140, Grinnell 3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 29, 2008, 09:43:33 AM
 ??? I go out of town for one day. To South Dakota no less, and look what happens to the board.  :o

Yep ROOP. You will not leave until the ST NORB1 machine says so.  >:(  You better hope the score is the right way.

I like all the other predictions. The Grinell one is great. Around today and tomorrow but as usual there is some catching up after traveling.

And remember, scottie says   GO GREEN KNIGHTS and so does ROOP!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2008, 10:30:36 AM
Enjoy it while you can SNCOLDAD. Word has it that BC is in the running for some prime recruits next year. The only hint I'm giving is that one of them sounds like a CCIW school. He's the ___________ for the undefeated ____________ High School. One of the premiere D1 programs in the WIAA.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 29, 2008, 11:31:39 AM
Say it aint so, The Roop....  I don't know about the rest of you, but now I'm shaking in my boots!   :) ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on October 29, 2008, 01:03:53 PM
this thing is getting outa hand.. haha ;D

SNC vs. Beloit: The Bucs hang around till the 3rd then SNC gets it going.. 38-17

Grinnell vs. Ripon: If Ripon shows up and doesnt play down to Grinnell's level its a 50-7 game..

Lake Forest vs. Knox: The Foresters cant put out the Prairie Fire and Knox rushes for 398 yards and 7 tds while giving up 450 yards through the air but squeak out a thriller 62-61

Caroll vs. Lawrence: surprise! LU comes out in the bone and runs the option all over the pio's and wins 28-21 to get into the W column

Monmouth vs. IC: jinx pick.. Monmouth wins by 78 points IC actually doesnt play any of their regular starters as they play the JV team in hopes of preparing for next year and Tanney rushes for 200 by himself
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 29, 2008, 04:44:28 PM
SNC v Beloit- The Buc stops here....SNC 42-10

Grinnell v Ripon- Gross....Ripon 44-0

Lake Forest v Knox- After watching LFC v Monmouth, SOMEONE has to be better than this team...Knox 27-17

Carroll U v Larry-.....Carroll 38-10

Monmouth v Illinois College-....Mitch Niekamp is no Alex Tanney...Monmouth 54-17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 29, 2008, 04:48:20 PM
Regional rankings out...Monmouth gets way more respect then expected or probably deserved.

Wilmeatte appears to have undefeated regular-season wrapped up, but Oxy could still falter. I think UWSP will lose again and I assume UWW jumps MC at some point if they win out. Thus, MC likely a 3 or 4 at worst and should have a home game all but wrapped up...am I wrong ???

Oh and I was shockd that Northwestern made it over Aurora

WEST REGION
1. Willamette 7-0 8-0
2. Occidental 6-0 6-0
3. Monmouth 8-0 8-0
4. UW-Stevens Point 3-1 6-1
5. UW-Whitewater 5-1 6-1
6. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1
7. Redlands 5-1 5-1
8. Northwestern (Minn.) 5-1 7-1
9. Concordia-Moorhead 4-2 5-2
10. St. John's 5-2 6-2

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on October 29, 2008, 05:01:53 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 29, 2008, 04:48:20 PM
Regional rankings out...Monmouth gets way more respect then expected or probably deserved.

Wilmeatte appears to have undefeated regular-season wrapped up, but Oxy could still falter. I think UWSP will lose again and I assume UWW jumps MC at some point if they win out. Thus, MC likely a 3 or 4 at worst and should have a home game all but wrapped up...am I wrong ???

Oh and I was shockd that Northwestern made it over Aurora

WEST REGION
1. Willamette 7-0 8-0
2. Occidental 6-0 6-0
3. Monmouth 8-0 8-0
4. UW-Stevens Point 3-1 6-1
5. UW-Whitewater 5-1 6-1
6. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1
7. Redlands 5-1 5-1
8. Northwestern (Minn.) 5-1 7-1
9. Concordia-Moorhead 4-2 5-2
10. St. John’s 5-2 6-2



Aurora isn't in the West Region.

Fill me in on the situation with the NCAA and Monmouth's home field. Was their field deemed unfit for a playoff game at some point or is that speculation? What's changed? etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 29, 2008, 05:06:16 PM
Wow, the MWC getting respect. Hmmm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on October 29, 2008, 05:25:47 PM
I was gonna come on here and make some completely sarcastic remark about how LU stands a chance against Carroll.  Not to my surprise, members on this board with delusional thoughts from fantasy island actually think LU can win their first game over Carroll?!?!?!?!  Whoever predicted that, thanks for the laugh.  You know it's been a long season when someone thinks that's a legitimate pick.  Senior day for the Pios and a chance to finish the season with 7 wins (which would be one of the best season in a long time).... I think the Orange and Blue have a big day and Lawrence goes home with their 0-win season still in tact.  The victory goes to Carroll in the first ever "Battle of the U".
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 29, 2008, 05:29:45 PM
Maybe they make those predictions just to see you throw fits like that.



Congrats Monmouth, you get to host the defending champion Warhawks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 29, 2008, 06:01:04 PM
D-Train:

See my comment near the top of the last page.  Monmouth's field is fine.  The potential issue is gate revenue.



SCOTTIE HAS A FEVER...AND THE ONLY PERSCRIPTION IS MORE BAGPIPES...I MEAN COWBELL!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 29, 2008, 06:02:24 PM
Scots4, "The MWC getting respect..."

It is a shock in some ways.

But then they realized, Oh Yeah, Monmouth has to be good. They beat St. Norbert! At Home!!!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 29, 2008, 05:29:45 PM

Congrats Monmouth, you get to host the defending champion Warhawks.

Monmouth and Whitewater are both not losing the rest of the yr, and look at the remaining schedules of the top ten in the West region, when you play out the scenarios....at the end of the yr U-WW and Monmouth are gonna be just 1 or 2 spots apart in the final regional rankings with the two teams being in the #2-#4 range.

How does that translate to them playing each other? They are probably both getting home games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on October 29, 2008, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 29, 2008, 05:29:45 PM

Congrats Monmouth, you get to host the defending champion Warhawks.

Monmouth and Whitewater are both not losing the rest of the yr, and look at the remaining schedules of the top ten in the West region, when you play out the scenarios....at the end of the yr U-WW and Monmouth are gonna be just 1 or 2 spots apart in the final regional rankings with the two teams being in the #2-#4 range.

How does that translate to them playing each other? They are probably both getting home games.

What if UW-Stevens Point stays ahead of UW-Whitewater and/or the NCAA moves North Central into the "West" region? They aren't going to pair up the UW schools in the first round. They could easily put UW-Whitewater at Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 06:53:30 PM
That's a legitimate "what if", but I don't see that happening.  I honestly think that U-WW just had a hiccup and that Stevens Point will actually lose to UW-EC and Whitewater will beat them for a second time and move ahead.  I also doubt North Central gets moved.  Willamette will be undefeated and is a legitimate #1 seed.

The road goes through U-WW in eventually, I just don't think right away.....I hope...there's alot of scenarios.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on October 29, 2008, 07:06:54 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 06:53:30 PM
That's a legitimate "what if", but I don't see that happening.  I honestly think that U-WW just had a hiccup and that Stevens Point will actually lose to UW-EC and Whitewater will beat them for a second time and move ahead.  I also doubt North Central gets moved.  Willamette will be undefeated and is a legitimate #1 seed.

The road goes through U-WW in eventually, I just don't think right away.....I hope...there's alot of scenarios.



Even if Willamette is a legit #1, the committee might need to move one or two teams into the "West". NCC is a good fit in terms of geography, right? Even if they are moved to be a #2 - they are still catching a break versus being #2 in the "Mt. Union" bracket.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 29, 2008, 07:12:35 PM
I do believe it is wise to look for moves. Last year proved that even with a 1 seed. But the other item I think we have to consider is travel distance. That is a major concern to D3. I am not saying that they would have a 1 and 2 play each other the first round just because they are within a few miles. But I do believe that they would put a 2-4 pairing or a 3-5 pairing up against each other in the 1st round due to travel and distance.

It is very difficult to determine what they will do especially right now. But travel must be considered for a lot more than we generally look at it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on October 29, 2008, 07:21:36 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 29, 2008, 07:12:35 PM
I do believe it is wise to look for moves. Last year proved that even with a 1 seed. But the other item I think we have to consider is travel distance. That is a major concern to D3. I am not saying that they would have a 1 and 2 play each other the first round just because they are within a few miles. But I do believe that they would put a 2-4 pairing or a 3-5 pairing up against each other in the 1st round due to travel and distance.

It is very difficult to determine what they will do especially right now. But travel must be considered for a lot more than we generally look at it.


Right. You can count on the SCIAC champ traveling to Willamette unless the SCIAC runner-up manages a Pool C bid. Then that team would fly to Oregon and the champ (especially if it's Oxy) might host. How that plays out would clearly affect Monmouth (at least in terms of a first-round opponent). Whether the WIAC gets one or two bids and whether they move a team in makes a huge difference as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
Alot of scenarios.......so.......it'd be a little crazy for Whitewater fans  to book their hotel in Monmouth just yet.

My number one question:  Do you see a 9-1, WIAC champion, defending national champion going on the road in round 1?

I personally consider the likelihood of Monmouth not getting a home playoff game to be higher.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 29, 2008, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 29, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
Alot of scenarios.......so.......it'd be a little crazy for Whitewater fans  to book their hotel in Monmouth just yet.

My number one question:  Do you see a 9-1, WIAC champion, defending national champion going on the road in round 1?

I personally consider the likelihood of Monmouth not getting a home playoff game to be higher.

Not according to the voters of the West Region.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 29, 2008, 08:15:30 PM
Still way too many what-ifs to play out...in my thinking I am expecting UWSP to lose again. North Central getting moved is a legitimate possibility, but I wouldnt be shocked if they got upset by IWU or Augie to make that a moot point.

If Wilmette ends up as the #1 in the West, based on last year, the committee may treat them as such and send them someone from the Midwest instead of forcing them to play a better left coast team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 29, 2008, 11:39:58 PM
how many at-large bids usually come out of the Midwest or the West region?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2008, 08:46:09 AM
8 - # of Pool A's = the easy answer. However it's not that easy. It will depend on what region the UAA representative(s) come from and also the Pools B's. Not to mention teams getting moved out of region.

Quote from: scottie on October 29, 2008, 11:31:39 AM
Say it aint so, The Roop....  I don't know about the rest of you, but now I'm shaking in my boots!   :) ;) :D ;D

Beloit can't bring in too many ringers at once or people would ask questions. 4 game improvement this year, 4 game improvement next year = 9-1. Since they won't lose their non-conference game Mt. Monmouth should be safe until 2010. Provided they take care of the rest of the conference.

The master plan in Beloit is to get the football and basketball teams to Salem in the same academic year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2008, 09:34:46 AM
Thanks for the warning, The Roop.  I think the other MWC presidents will be on a conference call soon to dramatically decrease their athletic budgets after 2010.  I mean, what would be the point??   ;D

F E A R   T H E   B U C S   I N   2 0 1 0 ! ! ! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
Quote from: OXY Oswald on October 29, 2008, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on October 29, 2008, 04:58:30 PM
I suspect that two of them would be Principia and Lewis and Clark.....
Speaking of Principia, any thoughts on their big match up this week against their Conference leader, the Huntingdon Hawks?

SLIAC Schedule (http://www.d3football.com/conference_info.php?year=2008&conf=SLIAC)

Do they lose by more or less than L&C lost to Willamette (76-10 Final Score)?  Consider that L&C put the hurt on Principia (43-7 Final Score) in the first week of the season.

Look scottie. Huntingdon is even getting some love on the SCIAC board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2008, 02:15:19 PM
Still don't know who/what/where that is....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2008, 02:22:48 PM
Montgomery, AL

SOUTH REGION
1. Muhlenberg 7-0 7-0
2. Millsaps 6-0 7-0
3. Washington and Jefferson 6-0 7-0
4. Trinity (Texas) 6-0 7-0
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 5-0 6-1
6. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 7-1
7. Huntingdon 1-0 7-0
8. Catholic 5-1 6-1
9. Salisbury 2-0 7-1
10. Thomas More 6-1 6-1

And before any one asks the SLIAC does not get an automatic bid yet. Therefore their conference games are not in region unless they meet the 200 mile or administrative district criteria. Hence the 1-0 in region record.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 30, 2008, 03:04:38 PM
Why doesnt the MWC add Huntingdon and then go to three divisions:
Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa/Alabama ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2008, 03:26:58 PM
A. scottie wouldn't like it
B. 11 teams don't make for good 3 division scheduling

Although, if they were to take in an independent like Maryville (TN) it could work. Double round robin within your division, 2 other conference games (1 from each division) and then 2 non-conference games.

But then of course the SLIAC would never get a Pool A as they'd be down to 6 teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 30, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
The MWC would never take in Maryville without getting rid of Monmouth

You can't have two MC Fighting Scots in the same conference, too much confusion.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2008, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 30, 2008, 03:26:58 PM
A. scottie wouldn't like it



I F   S C O T T I E   I S N ' T   H A P P Y,   N O B O D Y   I S   H A P P Y!  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 30, 2008, 07:03:23 PM
MacMurray is the highlanders, that got confusing enough.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2008, 10:23:33 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 30, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
The MWC would never take in Maryville without getting rid of Monmouth

You can't have two MC Fighting Scots in the same conference, too much confusion.

And I thought having two Pioneers in the same conference was complicated.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2008, 08:50:17 AM
That's why Carroll became a University.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2008, 09:30:09 AM
Scottie's got a little business golf set up for today, so you ladies and gentlemen have a pleasant Friday.

Just as I will try to avoid the sandtraps today, I hope the Good Guys will avoid the Trap Game tomorrow. 

F O R E   R I G H T ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 31, 2008, 01:33:40 PM
St. Norbert at Beloit - SNC
Monmouth at Illinois College - MC
Lake Forest at Knox - LFC
Grinnell at Ripon - RC
Lawrence at Carroll - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Take care of business...control what you can control!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 31, 2008, 03:38:09 PM
St. Norbert 17, at Beloit 6
Monmouth 45, at Illinois College 17
at Knox 24, Lake Forest 21
at Ripon 42, Grinnell 14
at Carroll 28, Lawrence 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 01, 2008, 03:00:08 PM
Illinois College's PA announcer is directly responsible for my binge drinking tonight.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 01, 2008, 03:18:34 PM
scores???  please elaborate on the announcer
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 01, 2008, 03:25:37 PM
Monmouth 43-17...its not even halftime yet.

The PA announcer is like a play by play guy instead of an announcer....

for example, on a kick return...very loudly...

He is still not down, he breaks another...tip toes on the sideline and finally pushed out on the 41!!!!! (the obvious spot was somewhere around the 35.)

he is just annoying....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 01, 2008, 03:33:32 PM
50-17...minute to go in the first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2008, 05:17:39 PM
SNC 42 BC 21

SNC was 23ppg better than Beloit vs. common opponents so according to those stats the score was about right. Which I will take as a positive as BC was overwhelmed against this team last season.

Unfortunately Beloit never fell behind by 35 so the come back prophesy could not be realized.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 01, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
78-17 Monmouth over IC don't know anything about this gamebesides the score but my guess is that's a school record for pts in a game

btw.....MC wins by this score over a team that beat Knox 62-27.........bring on the turkey bowl, is 100 pts a possibility?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 01, 2008, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: MWCalum on October 29, 2008, 01:03:53 PM

Grinnell vs. Ripon: If Ripon shows up and doesnt play down to Grinnell's level its a 50-7 game..


it was a rough week so im gona say this is one of the highlights.. called it perfectly!  ;D

MC scoring 78? gosh thats a lot of points.. did tanney stay in a lil extra time? what happened..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 01, 2008, 07:09:59 PM
Just a quick message. Went to the Beloit game. Roop, great meeting you. I really wanted to see that kicker try a long field goal. But he definitely has a leg. I watched him during pre-game. You have to make it over to SNC sometime. Let me know if you can.

Have not had much of a chance to see scores. Sounds like Monmouth should be accused at running up the score. Isn't that what was said about St. Norbert in a lot of games. :) They should have no issues with Knox. Congrats on MWC title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2008, 08:19:03 PM
I think MC ran up the score in order to avenge the blowout IC put on Knox....Nah!   ;D

Some lines in the box score didn't look too unbalanced, and IC even had the ball almost ten minutes longer than the Scots.  Zero punts = many scores, however.

Scottie mentioned about two weeks ago that the Scots could put up triple digits against the P-fire.  Watch out next week....

BTW, is a 61 point win enough to finally get the Scots into the sacred D3 poll?

T O U C H D O W N T O U C H D O W N T O U C H D O W N T O U C H D O W N T O U C H D O W N S C O T S !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2008, 09:45:45 PM
Thanks SNCOLDAD, I enjoyed meeting you as well. I especially appreciated the fact that you did not introduce me as The Roop or the usual media circus would have ensued. Had you done so I'd still be there signing autographs.

Not that it effected the outcome in any way but the oafs were a bit flag happy at Strong Stadium. More often than not I didn't see any need for it.

Anyway...................... scottie is happy and that's all that matters. Mt. Monmouth runs it up again. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2008, 09:50:49 PM
Before I forget. Yes, The Roop will travel to De Pere next season for "Spatula Bowl II"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2008, 10:06:41 PM
LOL, The Roop!   :D  How about a trip down to Monmouth, if they host?  You bring the venison, I'll bring the grill.



M   W   C   =   M O N M O U T H    W I N S    C O N F E R E N C E ! ! ! !

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on November 01, 2008, 11:03:57 PM
Just a post to note that I haven't completely gone into hiding.  Ouch!  Just an awful season for LU.  I really thought the team was on an upswing after the past few years. 
Did I expect a conference championships and an appearance in the Top 25? No.
I did expect a .500 season and I'm definitely surprised by LU's return to their unwanted role as conference doormat.  If I look really hard for a silver lining, I do see that LU's team is relatively young (only 8 seniors on the roster) so it's possible that the team could dramatically improve in the next few years.  Still, it's been a tough year to watch.

Anyway, congratulations to Monmouth.  Bring the MWC some respectability by winning at least 2 games in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2008, 07:46:24 AM
They would need to host a semi-final game scottie as I typically don't go hunting until late bow season. So win a few and we'll talk about it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 02, 2008, 02:45:03 PM
How the West Region fared:

1. Willamette - off week
2. Occidental - won against Cal Lutheran
3. Monmouth - beat Illinois College
4. Stevens Point - won against Oshkosh
5. WhiteWater - beat Eau Claire for the 2nd time
6. Cal Lutheran - lost to Occidental
7. Redlands - beat Pamona
8. Northwestern - breat Crown
9. Concordia Moorehead - lost to St. Olaf
10. St. Johns - off week

I would expect CM to drop out and maybe Cal Lutheran drops out too.  This might make room for Wartburg and maybe a different MIAC team like Carleton or something.

Either way it doesn't mean much for the Scots.  Occidental won't lose again, and Willamette doesn't look like they will either though looking at schedules Menlo might test them in the last game but I don't know much about that conference.

Can't complain with #3 in the region.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2008, 03:32:56 PM
It doesn't hurt Monmouth either. Wartburg should win the IIAC and get the automatic bid regardless of ranking. I can't see the NCAA sending an undefeated Mt. Monmouth there. I think it looks good for the Scots to host a first round game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2008, 03:49:53 PM
Before scottie gets too excited about Mt. Monmouth.................

Huntingdon 76 Principia 0

;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 02, 2008, 05:18:09 PM
My flag football team has more talent on the defensive side of the ball than Illinois College does.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 02, 2008, 06:46:05 PM
Roop,

If Buena Vista beats Central this weekend, they should be IIAC champs based on win over Wartburg, so the beavers may go to Monmouth. I would also look for them and another MIAC school or Linfield to fill the vacated west region spots (or even Ripon   ??? ???).


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2008, 07:23:31 PM
For those of you interested if the Scots will enter the D3 poll this week, here is a look at those in the top 25 who lost on Saturday, and their current record:

#19 Eau Claire (5-3)
#16 Salisbury (7-2)
#15 Wheaton (6-2)
#14 Trinity (7-1)
#9 Washington and Jefferson (7-1)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2008, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2008, 07:23:31 PM
For those of you interested if the Scots will enter the D3 poll this week, here is a look at those in the top 25 who lost on Saturday, and their current record:

#19 Eau Claire (5-3)
#16 Salisbury (7-2)
#15 Wheaton (6-2)
#14 Trinity (7-1)
#9 Washington and Jefferson (7-1)

W&J was ranked to high to fall out completely.  Trinity and Salisbury both lost to higher ranked teams, so will not suffer much.  Eau Claire lost also to a higher ranked team, though receiving their third loss (albeit two of them to the defending national champ) might be costly.  Wheaton was ranked #4 only two weeks ago, but two consecutive losses might cost them.

Bottom line, I see at most two new spots in the Top 25, quite possibly less.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2008, 07:54:00 PM
Good insights, Mr. Ypsi.  And as I hit "refresh" and go to the poll, two teams (Eau Claire and Wheaton) indeed did drop out, and Monmouth enters at #25.  Hopefully, a "trap game" against Knox doesn't "knox" them right out of the poll.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 12:07:58 AM
I don't think the turkey bowl could ever qualify to be a trap game.  If you play for the Scots you can never get enough of beating up on the Prarie Fire. 

Turkey Bowl 2008 at Monmouth to finish off an undefeated Scots regular season = a celebration party more than an actual game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2008, 06:27:24 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 02, 2008, 06:46:05 PM
Roop,

If Buena Vista beats Central this weekend, they should be IIAC champs based on win over Wartburg, so the beavers may go to Monmouth. I would also look for them and another MIAC school or Linfield to fill the vacated west region spots (or even Ripon   ??? ???).

Whomever wins the IIAC isn't important. What is important is that they and the MIAC get automatic bids whether they are regionally ranked or not. So 2 of the 8 ranked will get bumped out.

What makes things really interesting is that Mt. Union and North Central are #1 and #2 in the country but are in the same North region. So it appears that one of the top teams will need to get moved out of region again this year. Since North Central would be a good fit in the West what do you do with the defending champs. They are a virtual lock to get in but I don't think they deserve a home game in the first round as a Pool C with so many unbeatens in the field.

West Coast teams will square off in round 1 and I don't see any way around that, regardless of rankings.

Occidental
@Willamette

UW-Whitewater
@Monmouth

MIAC
@WIAC 1

IIAC
@North Central

The NathCon gets an automatic bid this year and if they are within 500 miles of Mt. Union I think they can plan on making that trip.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on November 03, 2008, 10:25:49 AM
What better way for the MWC to earn national respect but to knock off the defending National Champs???

Congrats on the conference championship and best of luck to the Scots in the big dance, do us proud. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2008, 10:47:12 AM
The Roop: Are you smoking more of that deer grass again?   :D

I'm not so sure that the NCAA would send Whitewater packing for a first round game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 11:58:34 AM
Whitewater is going to win their conference still.  Why would a different WIAC team get a home game and not them? Not much sense to those predictions besides the west coast teams playing each other.

Whitewater lost 1 game by one point and they are still conference champs of what the website ranked as the #1 conference in the nation.

And the this week there will already be 2 MIAC and an IIAC team both in the regional rankings (St. Johns and probably one other, and Wartburg) so there will be no knocking of anyone out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
Thus sayeth The Roop............

UW-Wastewater cannot win their conference. Ask Pat Coleman if you don't believe me.

They get a Pool C bid. Period. My West Region bracket may not be exact but I stand by it right now.

Ripon is out because Whitewater won this week. In a freakish 3 way tie scenario Eau Claire could still win the WIAC, but they won't. Point gets the Pool A and hosts a game. Whitewater hits the road in the first round.

Here endeth the lesson..............
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 03, 2008, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 03, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
Thus sayeth The Roop............

UW-Wastewater cannot win their conference. Ask Pat Coleman if you don't believe me.

They get a Pool C bid. Period. My West Region bracket may not be exact but I stand by it right now.

Ripon is out because Whitewater won this week. In a freakish 3 way tie scenario Eau Claire could still win the WIAC, but they won't. Point gets the Pool A and hosts a game. Whitewater hits the road in the first round.


If Stevens Point wins out, your payoff teams and first-round pairings are exactly what I would predict as well. Redlands might still get a Pool C bid, but I doubt it. (BUT, if that does happen...put Redlands on the road at Willamette and Oxy will host a game).

However, Whitewater can win the WIAC if they win out and Stevens Point drops one of its last two (possible). Eau Claire would need to beat Stevens Point and have Whitewater drop one (unlikely) to force a three-way tie. If Whitewater is the Pool A, they are more likely to host a first round game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2008, 12:58:30 PM
When I have "cowbell" on my side, what more can I say.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 03, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
UW-Wastewater cannot win their conference. Ask Pat Coleman if you don't believe me.

Whitewater can win the conference very easily, if Stevens Point loses either of its last two games (Eau Claire and La Crosse) and Whitewater beats Stout and Platteville.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 03, 2008, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 03, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
UW-Wastewater cannot win their conference. Ask Pat Coleman if you don't believe me.

Whitewater can win the conference very easily, if Stevens Point loses either of its last two games (Eau Claire and La Crosse) and Whitewater beats Stout and Platteville.

Pat - just give me a '+1' next time, eh? Alright, so you added the WIAC opponents which helps.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 04:22:41 PM
I thought it merited repeating because Roop makes it sound like you agree with him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 03, 2008, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 04:22:41 PM
I thought it merited repeating because Roop makes it sound like you agree with him.

Alright, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 05:19:32 PM
My bet is that Stevens Point does lose another one and Whitewater wins out.

Thus my previous claims would then be true.  If UWW is 9-1 and conference champs they will be the highest rated non-undefeated team in the west region. (Probably #4)  Meaning they will still host probably against the champ of the MIAC or Wartburg not Monmouth who will be #3 it looks like and also hosting themselves.

What I don't get about the west coast teams having to play each other is doesn't Oxy have to get on a plane to go to Willamette anyway?  I believe that's over 500 miles. And plus the two are probably going to be 1-2 in the region and they HAVE to play each other?  This is just so unfair to me.  Because of money the seedings/matchups would be completely skewed.

Now North Central getting moved into the west is something that really changes things and if that happens, I have no clue.  NCC would probably host Wartburg/2nd WIAC team, then maybe Monmouth would host whichever is left of that.  Then UWW would host the MIAC champ.

To be honest noone really knows until that selection day
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 03, 2008, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 05:19:32 PM
If UWW is 9-1 and conference champs they will be the highest rated non-undefeated team in the west region. (Probably #4)  Meaning they will still host probably against the champ of the MIAC or Wartburg not Monmouth who will be #3 it looks like and also hosting themselves.

If Stevens Point or Redlands (or both) are left out and/or NCC is not moved in, I could see UWW and Monmouth each hosting a game. But I can imagine a few other scenarios with UWW on the road for that first round (even as WIAC champ). Who knows...we'll see.

Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 05:19:32 PM
What I don't get about the west coast teams having to play each other is doesn't Oxy have to get on a plane to go to Willamette anyway?  I believe that's over 500 miles. And plus the two are probably going to be 1-2 in the region and they HAVE to play each other?  This is just so unfair to me.  Because of money the seedings/matchups would be completely skewed.

Unfair or not, limiting flights is a major goal of the NCAA. Pairing Oxy and Willamette is one flight. Letting them both host means two flights ($$$). Not matching conference foes in the first round can play with the seedings/pairings as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 03, 2008, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 05:19:32 PM
My bet is that Stevens Point does lose another one and Whitewater wins out.

If UWW is 9-1 and conference champs they will be the highest rated non-undefeated team in the west region. (Probably #4) 

Since it's all speculating...

Point will lose at Eau Claire this week. Will win at home vs La Crosse in two weeks.

UWW will will win out and finish 9-1, be AQ in the WIAC and will not only be the highest non-undefeated team in the region but will finish higher in the regional rankings than Monmouth.  Whitewater will be at home in first round and Monmouth will be on the road or get a first round home game vs the IIAC champ. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 03, 2008, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 03, 2008, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 05:19:32 PM
My bet is that Stevens Point does lose another one and Whitewater wins out.

If UWW is 9-1 and conference champs they will be the highest rated non-undefeated team in the west region. (Probably #4) 

Since it's all speculating...

Point will lose at Eau Claire this week. Will win at home vs La Crosse in two weeks.

UWW will will win out and finish 9-1, be AQ in the WIAC and will not only be the highest non-undefeated team in the region but will finish higher in the regional rankings than Monmouth.  Whitewater will be at home in first round and Monmouth will be on the road or get a first round home game vs the IIAC champ. 


Agreed, if UWW wins out I can not see them still behind Monmouth in the regional rankings. Obviously when looking at the conferences then I cannot disagree. I just hope that Monmouth gets to host because that will help with recruiting and just create an awesome atmosphere in the little town. Regardless of where Monmouth plays, I will be in attendance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 03, 2008, 08:40:59 PM
I tend to agree with Bobo and think that Point is probably the team coming to Monmouth in that scenario...although North Central getting moved seems more and more realistic, which could throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 08:55:43 PM
End of the Yr Conference Awards:

Offense - I think Tanney has it wrapped up 38 tds to 5 ints right now and chalk him up for atleast another 4 against Knox....42 touchdown passes to 5 ints is gonna get you the award almost any year

Defense - My best guess is actually Maloney from Grinnell.  Last I checked he was leading the nation in tackles.  Is he really the best defensive player in the conference? I don't know, but his stats kinda stand out.  If not him then maybe Jeremy Winter a LB from Carroll since he's been defensive POW 3 times and noone else has been it more than once.

Coach - Usually goes to the best team.  Degeorge won it as a lifetime achievement award in 2005 as the last coach to win without winning conference, Bell won it 2004 without winning conference too.  Do they give it to Ernst for a breakout Ripon season?  What about Brann from Beloit for going from 1-9 to potentially 5-5 with a win on Saturday against Grinnell?  I know Roop likes that one.  Or is it same ol' same ol' with Bell winning it because the Scots are 10-0?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on November 03, 2008, 09:25:22 PM
Great post on the end of the year awards!  Tanney hands down for offensive player of the year... and being a sophomore he has the potential to win the award 3 years if he stays healthy and keeps producing.  Defensive player of the year... call me a homer, because I probably am, but Jeremy Winter is one of the best linebackers I have seen in the conference the past few years.  Great speed, strength, and the key to Carroll's defense the past few years.  I think challenging him for the award will be Ripon's Josh Kraemer.  He's consistantly been one of the best DBs in the conference ranking near the top in interceptions, passes defended, and fumbles forced, not to mention his impact on special teams.  But special teams shouldn't matter for the defensive player of the year so I give my vote to Winter.  Coach of the year... kind of a tough pick but keeping with conference tradition I think Bell will get it for Monmouth.  Ernst had another great year for RC once again establishing that program as a conference contender and Carroll's Hiemenz did a great job this season potentially winning 7 games after losing a lot of key players from last year.  I can't say enough about the turnaround Brann had at Beloit this year, and if it were up to me he'd get some love.  But seeing as it's not up to me I'll embrace the fantastic job Bell did and say that he deserves the award.

This post season talk hasn't given some of us other guys a chance to post so by all means, keep talking about the regular season to keep me and others interested.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2008, 09:50:15 PM
You only got one more week left unless you're Lawrence.  Beloit is the only team really dying for a win this week for a .500 season.  The rest of the games this week will not even be competitive.  Therefore the playoff talk has ensued, not much else to talk about though I'd like to see everyone else's opinions about the conference awards.

If ya really wanna keep it going, everyone should use their current knowledge and then maybe a little research and submit their own first team conference selections.  There would probably be alot of homer first team selections though.  Plus I don't really care to look at what the O-Lineman did this year, hate to say but it's a boring spot and if I were a big guy I definitely would've been a D-lineman...atleast sacks are kind of glamourous.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 03, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
Offensive: obviously Tanney.. i dont really think you can put a teams success on someone's shoulders more then his.. he's probably the most irreplaceable

Defensive: I thought from what I saw Winters is a little overrated and may get a lot of tackles cleanin up other guys missed tackles.. not that he cant be considered, i just dont think he's POY.. Kramer stands out in my mind. The games I saw him play in he was a difference maker.. its too bad thres not a special teams POY cause he would have it hands down.. Mahoney obviously needs to be considered as he was leading the nation in tackles coming into saturday, im nto sure now as he only had 11 (only..  ::) )

Coach is a tough one... awards are after playoffs right? I think if Bell can get them a win or 2 and bring some respect to the conference he gets it hands down. Ernst took a good team and took them up a notch and got a W vs. SNC for the first time in 10 years.. Brann did a great job turning the program around, they potentially.. and thats a BIG potentially a couple recruits and upsets away from becoming a team that gives more coaches worries then allows them to take a breath for a week
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 03, 2008, 11:06:33 PM
First team

QB- Alex Tanney (Monmouth)
RB- Terence Steward (Beloit)
RB- Joe Beckstrand (Carroll)
WR- Michael Jennings (Illinois College)
WR- Dan Carter (Lake Forest)
WR- Nick Wright (Monmouth)
WR- Mike Blodgett (Monmouth)
WR- Jeremy Gezella (St. Norbert)
TE- Matt Hintz (Lawrence)
OL- I can't even make an educated guess. However, I'm sure I would have to put some Ripon players on here for their running game. Also, Monmouth had great pass protection. St. Norbert always has an athletic and strong offensive line. I'll let someone else do this one.

DL- Anthony Goranson (Monmouth)
DL- Matt Casper (Carroll)
DL- Tighe Burke (Knox)
DL- Wes Levy (Monmouth)
LB- Jeremy Winter (Carroll)
LB- Brett Maloney (Grinnell)
LB- Marc Artozqui (Monmouth)
LB- Tony Baratti (Beloit)
DB- Josh Kraemer (Ripon)
DB- Ben Hackbart (St. Norbert)
DB- Willy Mason (Monmouth)
DB- Dink Simmons (Illinois College)
K- Andrew Reich (Beloit)
P- Rob Berger (St. Norbert)



Offensive Player of the Year- Alex Tanney (Monmouth)

Defensive Player of the Year- I still think this could go three different ways. My top 3 in no definite order are Anthony Goranson (Monmouth), Jeremy Winter (Carroll), and Josh Kraemer (Ripon). I think if one of these players has a huge week then they could take this one down. They are  the best players on their respective levels of the defense.

Coach of the Year- Ernst (Ripon) They got over one hump (St. Norbert) and proved that they belong in the conferences small elite. This conference is no longer a two-horse race and I think he should get credit for climbing to the top. How


Obviously, I am biased towards Monmouth because I see them play every week. However, they proved to be the best team in the league and so I think they should be rewarded. That is my opinion so it is open to criticism. Just don't criticize without showing yours first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 03, 2008, 11:55:36 PM
Offensive POW is Tanney

Defense is either Goranson, Kraemer or Winters..Kraemer probably wins with sme bonus points for special teams

I think Coach is Brann with a win on Saturday, then Bell or Ernst with Beloit loss
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2008, 09:06:42 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 04:22:41 PM
I thought it merited repeating because Roop makes it sound like you agree with him.

You mean there are people who don't automatically agree with me ?? LOL. All I know is todays society doesn't require anyone to have facts straight as long as they are well intentioned.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2008, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2008, 09:06:42 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 04:22:41 PM
I thought it merited repeating because Roop makes it sound like you agree with him.

You mean there are people who don't automatically agree with me ?? LOL. All I know is todays society doesn't require anyone to have facts straight as long as they are well intentioned.

H E ' S   T H E   R O O P   A N D   H E   A P P R O V E S   T H I S   M E S S A G E.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 04, 2008, 01:22:56 PM
Monmouth up to #16...


AFCA Division III Coaches Poll
By The Associated Press
Through Nov. 2
                                Record  Pts  Pvs
1. Mount Union (Ohio) (39)        8-0   999   1
2. Wabash (Ind.)                  8-0   901   3
3. Muhlenberg (Pa.)               8-0   900   2
4. North Central (Ill.)           8-0   887   4
5. Cortland State (N.Y.)          8-0   800   6
6. Millsaps (Miss.)               8-0   795   7
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas)     7-1   734   9
8. Wisconsin-Whitewater (1)       7-1   715  10
9. Willamette (Ore.)              8-0   622  12
10. Case Western (Ohio)            8-0   621  11
11. Hardin-Simmons (Texas)         8-1   593  13
12. Wesley (Del.)                  6-1   562  14
13. Otterbein (Ohio)               8-0   507  15
14. Wisconsin-Stevens Point        7-1   407  19
15. Occidental (Calif.)            7-0   399  18
16. Monmouth (Ill.)                9-0   349  20
17. Rensselaer (N.Y.)              7-0   297  21
18. Washington & Jefferson (Pa.)   7-1   273   5
19. Ithaca (N.Y.)                  7-1   263  22
20. Trinity (Texas)                7-1   258   8
21. Montclair State (N.J.)         7-1   191  24
22. Redlands (Calif.)              6-1   149  25
23. Thomas More (Ky.)              7-1   144   -
24. Trine (Ind.)                   8-0   135   -
25. Salisbury (Md.)                7-2    72  17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2008, 09:31:26 AM
T U R K E Y T U R K E Y T U R K E Y T U R K E Y T U R K E Y T U R K E Y T U R K E Y T U R K E Y
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 05, 2008, 10:40:52 AM
scottie - I like it!  It's gonna be party time with the Turkey on Saturday in Monmouth! ;D  You planning on making the trip to MC and being around for the game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2008, 11:55:57 AM
Mav: No can do, this time.  I've got a couple of weekend priorities on the other side of the state.   :'(

I have blocked off my calendar for some "business travel" around the 21st, in order to be in the stands for the playoff game.  (Hopefully, in the Greater Western Illinois region.)


G R A V Y G R A V Y G R A V Y G R A V Y G R A V Y G R A V Y G R A V Y G R A V Y G R A V Y
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 05, 2008, 01:26:39 PM
scottie - And there's not even an Illini home game to work into your weekend priorities...doesn't sound like much fun.  The weekend of the 21st should be a good one, hopefully around the Maple City like you said.  Regardless of where the Scots are at, I'll be there to see it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 05, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
Nov. 5 rankings

WEST REGION In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Willamette 7-0 8-0
2. Occidental 7-0 7-0
3. Monmouth 9-0 9-0
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 4-1 7-1
5. Wisconsin-Whitewater 6-1 7-1
6. Redlands 6-1 6-1
7. Northwestern (Minnesota) 8-1 8-1
8. St. John's (Minnesota) 6-2 6-2
9. Gustavus Adolphus 6-2 6-2
10. Linfield 4-2 5-2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 05, 2008, 08:05:41 PM
Is there anyway you can see how close the voting is?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2008, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 05, 2008, 08:05:41 PM
Is there anyway you can see how close the voting is?

Nope.  And the only regional rankings which actually matter (those done after Nov 15th games), we will never see.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2008, 11:42:11 AM
TURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEYTURKEY
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2008, 11:45:25 AM
1 0 0 P O I N T S 1 0 0 P O I N T S 1 0 0 P O I N T S 1 0 0 P O I N T S 1 0 0 P O I N T S
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
Willamette - Salem Oregon
Occidental - Los Angeles
Monmouth - Central Illinois
UWSP - Stevens Point, WI (North Central Wisconsin
UWW - Whitewater (south east Wisconsin)
Redlands - L.A. Area
Northwestern Minnesota - St. Paul MN
St Johns - Collegeville, MN (NW of Minneapolis about 70 miles)
Gustavus Adolphus - Saint Peter MN (SW of Minneapolis 70 miles)
Linfield - West Oregon

Not being as familiar with a lot of the schools, I decided to see where they are located. It appears from this that the west coast is pretty straight forward. Willamette host Linfield and Occidental host Redlands.

Now in the Midwest you have 3 Minnesota teams, 2 Wisconsin and Monmouth. I do not like how this looks for Monmouth. I firmly think they should and will get a home game. But who is what I am worried about. Maybe we can get Gustavus going to Monmouth, only 390 miles. But that would probably leave UWW at UWSP and that won't happen 1st round.

Oh the agony of speculation. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2008, 02:42:25 PM
If St. John's makes it in, it would be poetic for them to travel to Monmouth after they wiped the field with the Scots in 2005.  Give Monmouth a chance to return the favor. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 06, 2008, 04:10:14 PM
Alright Scottie...who do you take head to head...05 Scots or 08 Scots?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 06, 2008, 05:00:05 PM
FYI,

Linfield is in McMinnville, about an hour from Portland, but it might not be their year to be in the playoffs. Still, anything can happen. It would be good to see the MWC representative make a deep run this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 06, 2008, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
Willamette - Salem Oregon
Occidental - Los Angeles
Monmouth - Central Illinois
UWSP - Stevens Point, WI (North Central Wisconsin
UWW - Whitewater (south east Wisconsin)
Redlands - L.A. Area
Northwestern Minnesota - St. Paul MN
St Johns - Collegeville, MN (NW of Minneapolis about 70 miles)
Gustavus Adolphus - Saint Peter MN (SW of Minneapolis 70 miles)
Linfield - West Oregon

Not being as familiar with a lot of the schools, I decided to see where they are located. It appears from this that the west coast is pretty straight forward. Willamette host Linfield and Occidental host Redlands.

Now in the Midwest you have 3 Minnesota teams, 2 Wisconsin and Monmouth. I do not like how this looks for Monmouth. I firmly think they should and will get a home game. But who is what I am worried about. Maybe we can get Gustavus going to Monmouth, only 390 miles. But that would probably leave UWW at UWSP and that won't happen 1st round.

Oh the agony of speculation. :)


That is the most straight forward but one of the things is the commitee will avoid rematching conference foes first round. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2008, 05:48:03 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 06, 2008, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
Willamette - Salem Oregon
Occidental - Los Angeles
Monmouth - Central Illinois
UWSP - Stevens Point, WI (North Central Wisconsin
UWW - Whitewater (south east Wisconsin)
Redlands - L.A. Area
Northwestern Minnesota - St. Paul MN
St Johns - Collegeville, MN (NW of Minneapolis about 70 miles)
Gustavus Adolphus - Saint Peter MN (SW of Minneapolis 70 miles)
Linfield - West Oregon

Not being as familiar with a lot of the schools, I decided to see where they are located. It appears from this that the west coast is pretty straight forward. Willamette host Linfield and Occidental host Redlands.

Now in the Midwest you have 3 Minnesota teams, 2 Wisconsin and Monmouth. I do not like how this looks for Monmouth. I firmly think they should and will get a home game. But who is what I am worried about. Maybe we can get Gustavus going to Monmouth, only 390 miles. But that would probably leave UWW at UWSP and that won't happen 1st round.

Oh the agony of speculation. :)


That is the most straight forward but one of the things is the commitee will avoid rematching conference foes first round. 

Not to mention that each region has only 8 (not ten) teams, and pools B and C are selected nationally, not a set number per region.  I believe at most 6 of the listed teams will be in the playoffs (and the IIAC AQ was not on the list).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 06, 2008, 06:06:51 PM
Oxy @ Wilamette
Northwestern @ North Central
UW-Whitewater @ Monmouth
IIAC Champ @ UW-Stevens Point

Is that plausible?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 06, 2008, 06:14:27 PM
With that said if UWSP loses again...things could get interesting because of the Johnnies moving up in the rankings.

I dont really know much...those may be ridiculously dumb guesses.

Or maybe

Oxy @ Wilamette
IIAC Champ @ Monmouth
St. Johns @ UW-SP
Northwestern @ UW-WW

if they are looking at geography heavily and North Central doesnt get moved.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 06, 2008, 06:17:35 PM
Northwestern has a relatively weak schedule (so does Monmouth in the grand scheme) and they have what might be their toughest game left against someone in the MIAC I think.  They will be the underdog in that game and with another loss...they're out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 06, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 06, 2008, 06:06:51 PM
Oxy @ Willamette
Northwestern @ North Central
UW-Whitewater @ Monmouth
IIAC Champ @ UW-Stevens Point

Is that plausible?

You are missing a MIAC champ in this scenario.

Send Concordia-Moorhead to Stevens Point and Buena Vista or Wartburg to North Central (those are closer geographic pairings). Despite the regional rankings, the Cobbers still control their fate in the MIAC (others need help). You might also see UWSP dropping a game (and staying home) and/or Redlands sneaking in (playing at Oxy or Willamette). Northwestern will get a serious look if they beat St. Thomas on the 15th, but most folks aren't predicting that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2008, 06:55:55 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 06, 2008, 04:10:14 PM
Alright Scottie...who do you take head to head...05 Scots or 08 Scots?

Well, first let's see if the '08 version of Air Tanney can get past a feisty Knox squad.   ;D 

All kidding aside, I'm going with the '08 squad for two reasons.  While they are a little younger in some of the skill positions, there are also plenty of players on this year's squad who were on the '05 team.   I think that they are not going to be awestruck at finishing the regular season at 10-0 and heading in to the playoffs.  They've been there, and won't look like this  :o or this  ???.  Technically, it's possible that young Alex even participated vicariously in the playoff experience. Obviously, the proof will come during (and hopefully, after) the first round game. 

We shall see.... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 06, 2008, 07:27:17 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 06, 2008, 02:42:25 PM
If St. John's makes it in, it would be poetic for them to travel to Monmouth after they wiped the field with the Scots in 2005.  Give Monmouth a chance to return the favor. 

For some reason I keep hearing a loud voice coming from above with these words ringing in my ears, over and over..."be careful what you wish for, you may receive it"...

Sounds a little apropos don't you think, scottie?   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2008, 09:01:06 PM
Perhaps, BoBo.  Perhaps.  But how sweet might such a dish of revenge taste?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: piopride10 on November 06, 2008, 09:26:07 PM
I thought I would chime in on the '05 Scots vs '08 Scots comment (there's not much for me to talk about on here any more).  Mitch Tanney, Evan Haffner, and Dante Daniels were about as good as you can get.  Covering Haffner was about the biggest pain and give him an inch and Tanney would fit it in.  And Dante was absoultely amazing; power and speed.  Now I know I've never played the '08 Scots, but this year's team returned 18 starters so I almost feel like I have.  I also know a year can help out a lot, but I don't see the team I played last year improving so much that it could have taken that '05 team. 

It's fun reminising about those former players.  There were some good battles (and some not so good ones too  :( )  Well good luck to Monmouth... this week.  I hear the Knox PF fliers are ready to put on a show  ;)  And good luck to Monmouth in the playoffs.  GET A WIN FOR THE CONFERENCE!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2008, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
and/or Redlands sneaking in.

Redlands isn't getting in. Sneaking or otherwise. Their OWP and OOWP are both under .500. A Pool B (Huntingdon) is likely to bump them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 07, 2008, 02:34:27 PM
Beloit at Grinnell - BC
Carroll at Lake Forest - CU
Ripon at Lawrence - RC
Knox at Monmouth - MC
Illinois College at St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 07, 2008, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 07, 2008, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
and/or Redlands sneaking in.

Redlands isn't getting in. Sneaking or otherwise. Their OWP and OOWP are both under .500. A Pool B (Huntingdon) is likely to bump them.

I'm not high on their chances if Stevens Point wins out, but Redlands' last two opponents have winning records.

Are you predicting Huntingdon will lose? Because if they win out, they'll likely earn a Pool B without having to bump out a Pool C.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2008, 12:28:59 AM
That's a tough one to call as the rules for a start up conference don't help them for a Pool B. I can see them as a "make up" Pool C if they remain undefeated. Based on the in region criteria Redlands is looking like a 3rd or 4th place MWC team and 3rd or 4th place MWC teams don't get in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2008, 09:18:42 AM
My turkey omlette at breakfast was delicious!  Good luck Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
Tried to log on for the game, but was denied due to too many connections.  I guess that means it is sold out.  Shucks! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2008, 03:37:34 PM
"My sources" tell me 28-7 Good Guys at half.  A 72 point second half may be a little too high of a hill to climb.    ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
Bucs allowed some courtesy scores after this one out of reach and take it 34-12 over Grinnell.

FINALLY they sent Carrier on a go route for a 57 yard TD on 3rd and 16 to put Beloit up 20-0. Where was that all year as he was always that fast...........
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 08, 2008, 05:27:45 PM
Final...Monmouth 56, Knox 10

Ok so they didn't hit 100, but this one was never in doubt.  Now the waiting game for the release of the playoff pairings next weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: augiefan on November 08, 2008, 05:48:09 PM
A great improvement by the Bucs FB program this year. Let's hope Carrier now moves on to help the woeful Buc BB program on the road back to respectability.
I think that will happen too in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
The Green Knights beat the Blueboys, 42-27.

Among the stats:

* If the online scoring is right, that was the score at haltime - 69 points in the first half, none in the second.

* IC's QB had 467 yards passing on 74 attempts

* IC had just 11 rushing yards net

* SNC's AJ Phillips had 133 rushing yards and 3 TDs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
Hey scottie. Beloit managed to shut out Knox. The Scots aren't backing into the play offs are they ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2008, 09:12:16 PM
The Roop: A 56-10 (only) win may result in a momentary dip in alumni contributions.  The Scots need to pick it up.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2008, 12:42:03 PM
Does anyone know traditionally if a team like North Central were to get moved to the west, does the west region than get shorted an at-large team or does a west team just get moved as well. ???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2008, 01:06:20 PM
No region is guaranteed any particular number of bids beyond the automatic ones. All of the at-large bids could go to the North or West or South or East, or they could be split up in any combination imaginable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2008, 02:28:42 PM
Didnt realize that Pat...thanks for the knowledge
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2008, 06:17:14 PM
Scots move "up to #22 with a bullet" in the D3 poll, possibly the highest a MWC team has ever been ranked in this particular poll.  I'm sure that if I am mistaken, one of you kind fans will let us know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2008, 06:20:35 PM
There wasn't much of a shake-up at the top of the West Regional rankings over the weekend, but some significant things happened, as the continued parity reduced the IIAC (Wartburg) and MIAC (SJU/Carleton winner) to one-bid leagues. I wonder the last time at least one of those two leagues didn't have two teams in the postseason.

The west should look considerably different this year, as a lack of qualified at-large teams will cause overlap between the west and north in my opinion.

I think Redlands is a lock to get in either way. With a loss this weekend they go to Wilmette, but with a win things get really interesting, as they are in the same conference as Oxy, which could mean three flights (Redlands on road, other two hosting).

Also curious to see if Monmouth gets jumped by UWW and UWSP (unless Point loses which is possible) when the ballots aren't published.

Oh and I will bet a dollar that Wheaton gets in.

Can't wait to see what the selection committee does.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2008, 06:37:00 PM
St. Norbert has spent four weeks higher than 22, all in 2003, when they got the conference its only playoff win in the automatic bid era. Peaked at No. 16.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2008, 09:30:16 PM
Thanks, Pat.  Perhaps with the Scots in the barn at 10-0 and idle next weekend, some end-of-the-year upsets could raise them a bit higher.  A couple of playoff wins wouldn't hurt, either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2008, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2008, 06:20:35 PM
I think Redlands is a lock to get in either way. With a loss this weekend they go to Wilmette, but with a win things get really interesting, as they are in the same conference as Oxy, which could mean three flights (Redlands on road, other two hosting).

A lock ?? I think they need to win and have both Hamden-Sydney and Huntingdon lose to even be seriously considered. Keep in mind that Ripon has completed their regular season and is idle. So if Redlands loses Ripon would have a better in region score.

In any event I think we are talking about the last team in so the Stagg Bowl will not be effected.

PS. If Redlands gets in then Ripon should host the game  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 10, 2008, 09:55:34 PM
How I would rank the West region if my predictions for the final week play out:

1. Willamette 10-0
2. Occidental 10-0
3. UW-Whitewater 9-1
4. Monmouth 10-0
5. St. John's 8-2
6. Wartburg 8-2
7. Redlands 9-1
8. UW-Stevens Point 8-2
9. Linfield 8-2
10. St. Thomas 7-3

Comments are welcome
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2008, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 10, 2008, 09:55:34 PM
How I would rank the West region if my predictions for the final week play out:

1. Willamette 10-0
2. Occidental 9-0
3. UW-Whitewater 9-1
4. Monmouth 10-0
5. St. John's 8-2
6. Wartburg 8-2
7. Redlands 8-1
8. UW-Stevens Point 8-2
9. Linfield 8-2
10. St. Thomas 7-3

Comments are welcome

SCIAC only allows a 9 game schedule.

That bracket would probably look something like this:

Occidental
@Willamette

St. Johns
@Monmouth

unk
@unk

Wartburg
@Whitewater

I don't know if a 2 loss UW-SP gets in and Redlands needs more things to happen than probably will. Geography and a suspect OWP/OOWP is against them.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 11, 2008, 12:50:50 AM
you cant really expect a 7-3 st. thomas team to get in with all the 8-2 teams out there.  They will move people before they put a 3 loss team in i think ??? they arent conference champ are they? im too lazy to look so sorry if im wrong.. but there are plenty of teams still in the hunt for that limited number of spots.

I spoke with the coach from lawrence on saturday after the ripon game (he is on the regional committee) and he actually said ripon is alot higher up in the talks then people think. They have a pretty slim chance with the MWC's reputation and strength of schedule but they are in the mix and do have a chance to get in.. obviously they need some help but its a possibility.. 2 conference teams in the playoffs?  armageddon?  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 11, 2008, 05:48:24 AM
Quote from: MWCalum on November 11, 2008, 12:50:50 AM
I spoke with the coach from lawrence on saturday after the ripon game (he is on the regional committee) and he actually said ripon is alot higher up in the talks then people think.

Ripon isn't even in the top 10 in the latest rankings, so it's kind of hypothetical how much support could they be garnering?  But, I'll take your word that they are being discussed.

With that said, let me begin by saying I assume you are not on the committee yourself.  In my view, if it's not unethical, it probably doesn't look too good for a member of the committee to be speaking to an outsider, or someone who is not a member of the committee, about what is or isn't being discussed within the committee. I'm trying to think what his motivation might be? The D3 football playoffs is not a matter of national security, but I would think op-sec (i.e. operational security) would be important for the integrity of the committee.  It must be something they are careful to maintain.  Loose lips, sink ships!!

Furthermore, did the coach from Lawrence know you would be reporting your conversation with him in this venue? Just doesn't add up to me.   :-\   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
I don't think anything particularly noteworthy was revealed so I see no problem with repeating what the coach said. Besides it's old news anyway as I've been making a case for Ripon for a couple weeks. Now (for scotties benefit) here's the proof that I wasn't smoking anything.  :P

Unfortunately too many things need to happen that probably won't. The short version of that is Redlands, Wheaton and UW-SP need to lose for Ripon to have any chance. I don't think the committee will move North Central into the west if UW-W is the Pool A. However a Wheaton win may set up a Wheaton @NathCon Pool A scenario in my unknown @unknown game. It would certainly be convenient from a travel perspective and wouldn't blow up the seeding process.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 11, 2008, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 11, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
I don't think anything particularly noteworthy was revealed so I see no problem with repeating what the coach said. Besides it's old news anyway as I've been making a case for Ripon for a couple weeks. Now (for scotties benefit) here's the proof that I wasn't smoking anything.  :P

I just think it sends out the wrong message when a committee member starts talking about confidential discussions (if it actually happened - I'm not convinced).  No more from me about it.

BTW, I hope you didn't break your arm patting yourself on the back  ;) .  Maybe you and the Lawrence coach are in cahoots!!   ;)   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2008, 10:23:26 AM
The Scots move up one spot...


Through Nov. 9
                                Record  Pts  Pvs
1. Mount Union (Ohio) (39)        9-0   999   1
2. Wabash (Ind.)                  9-0   913   2
3. North Central (Ill.)           9-0   893   4
4. Muhlenberg (Pa.)               9-0   879   3
5. Millsaps (Miss.)               9-0   803   6
6. Cortland State (N.Y.)          9-0   800   5
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas)     8-1   746   7
8. Wisconsin-Whitewater (1)       8-1   724   8
9. Willamette (Ore.)              9-0   679   9
10. Hardin-Simmons (Texas)         9-1   612  11
11. Case Western (Ohio)            9-0   611  10
12. Wesley (Del.)                  7-1   577  12
13. Wisconsin-Stevens Point        8-1   498  14
14. Occidental (Calif.)            8-0   443  15
15. Monmouth (Ill.)               10-0   428  16
16. Washington & Jefferson (Pa.)   8-1   346  18
17. Otterbein (Ohio)               8-1   327  13
18. Ithaca (N.Y.)                  8-1   313  19
19. Montclair State (N.J.)         8-1   270  21
20. Trine (Ind.)                   9-0   228  24
21. Redlands (Calif.)              7-1   221  22
22. Franklin (Ind.)                8-1   126   -
23. Salisbury (Md.)                7-2    87  25
24. Hampden-Sydney (Va.)           8-1    85   -
25. Rensselaer (N.Y.)              7-1    57  17
     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 11, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
first of all its not like ripon isnt right there.. i didnt say that they are in.. i said they need a few things to happen and hopefully they get some love.. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out (actually it might  ;D) but at 8-2 they are obviously going to be in part of the discussion after taking a wiac team within 1 and monmouth down to the last 3 minutes... i understand the mwc team is probably NEVER gona get two in unless its a 10-0 and 9-1 and thats after a couple playoff wins by someone (GET IT DONE MONMOUTH! haha) maybe the football gods will smile on the conference this year and throw a couple wrenches in the mix for Wheaton/Redlands/Point ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 11, 2008, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: MWCalum on November 11, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
but at 8-2 they are obviously going to be in part of the discussion after taking a the last place wiac team within 1 and monmouth down to the last 3 minutes...

Life ain't half bad when you can say that!!   ;)

(pardon me for the edit)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2008, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 11, 2008, 09:56:57 AM
BTW, I hope you didn't break your arm patting yourself on the back  ;) .  Maybe you and the Lawrence coach are in cahoots!!   ;)   

No, it's more like he came around to my way of thinking. LOL.

WOW....................... Wabash is still ahead of North Central in the national poll. Get ready for some major shake ups in the brackets. Should be an interesting seeding process.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 11, 2008, 01:15:53 PM
There is no chance Ripon will get in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 11, 2008, 01:25:03 PM
Bobo...Stevens Point needed OT to beat Oshkosh so even though they are in last place they can play, that conference beats up on itself.

MWCalum...I never said I thought St. Thomas was getting in...just because your ranked regionally top 10 doesn't mean you're getting in. (count the regions...there's only 32 spots)

I don't care who loses Ripon has no chance whatsoever they are 8-2 with no wins over anyone who is even remotely close to being regionally ranked (SNC is their signature win, a 3 loss team in the MWC) and they didn't win their conference, case closed.  I'm sure a MWC coach on the committee is gonna have some respect because he personally got spanked by Ripon, but overall chance of them getting in is 0.  Monmouth doesn't have a great schedule or a great signature win over a regionally or nationally ranked team either, but they did run the table and win their conference and there is something to be said about that which is why I think they'll be hosting on Nov. 22nd.  I suppose you think Boise St., Utah, or Ball St. should be in the national championship right now instead of Alabama and Texas Tech too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2008, 01:51:31 PM
Rankings are subject to personal opinion. You need to look at the in region record, OWP and OOWP. Ripon isn't likely to get in but they are closer than most think; and yes it could happen.

Promote the MWC teams on the board for once people. Redlands won't make it in but they got some discussion on the podcast this week for the very fact that people keep bringing them up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 11, 2008, 02:14:31 PM
I would promote them, but I just dont think they deserve to be in. Just my opinion. If I felt they deserved it, then I would be the loudest one on here.

I don't think this conference will ever deserve two teams unless someone makes some noise in the postseason.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2008, 02:24:33 PM
I think Grinnell should be in.  Even though their defense is questionable, they usually lead the country in scoring.  And Grotberg is a force.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 11, 2008, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 11, 2008, 01:25:03 PM
  I suppose you think Boise St., Utah, or Ball St. should be in the national championship right now instead of Alabama and Texas Tech too.

hell no.. haha.. i think there should be a playoff where these teams would get stomped and remove all doubt.. I believe the system they use is a joke.. im almost embarrased to be a fan.. I mean i just dont understand why there is not a playoff.. i understand the big money bowls get but you can still have bowls but have an 8 team playoff.. i wont get into it cause i could go all day about this mess...

anyway, im not asying ripon has any sort of major chance.. they need a friggin miracle basically but it is still a chance..
Bobo: WIAC=best conference in nation.. anytime a team would play them and make it close, especially a team who is usually decent in oshkosh, it looks good.. they took the conference champ to OT.. obviously not a bad team, just young and inexperienced.. i think its respectable for teams like ripon and st. norbert to play quality teams.. Loras is good but not where UWO and Wartburg are..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2008, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 11, 2008, 01:25:03 PM
MWCalum...I never said I thought St. Thomas was getting in...just because your ranked regionally top 10 doesn't mean you're getting in. (count the regions...there's only 32 spots)

And there's no guarantee eight West teams get in, either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 11, 2008, 03:40:18 PM
I don't think Ripon is going to get in, but I wouldn't be shocked if the showed up in the regional rankings after the 9 and 10 teams lost last week. Many of the 2-loss teams this year who are in the picture have a strange or questionable loss, while RC was solid throughout and played well in both losses. They will get respect from coaches for going on the road to a WIAC school and outplaying them. Sure UWO is bad by record, but coaches realize how good that league is.

Here's a question for the board...with all MWC teams having a bye this week, does Ripon by NCAA or MWC rules get to keep practicing in case they do get selected ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2008, 04:16:56 PM
Any way to petition against seeing nude fat-then-thin dudes on the front page?  I didn't this was THAT kind of website....  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 11, 2008, 10:41:00 PM
Quote from: MWCalum on November 11, 2008, 03:08:56 PM
Bobo: WIAC=best conference in nation.. anytime a team would play them and make it close, especially a team who is usually decent in oshkosh, it looks good.. they took the conference champ to OT.. obviously not a bad team, just young and inexperienced..

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi395.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp31%2FYanglow%2Fblindsquirrel2.jpg%3Ft%3D1226461137&hash=eb4eb36de1bc9d9c76dc3fa81f699837864bb6af)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2008, 12:44:16 PM
That post is an instant classic and I can't believe no one else "got it". Granted the pic isn't the greatest but it's easy enough to figure out.

I will let Bobo explain it. Then UW-0 needs a new mascot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2008, 02:32:43 PM
A simple joke for a simple man.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 12, 2008, 02:54:05 PM
not to shabby bobo.. bout time you make a legitimate contribution to the board..  ;D.. just kidding big guy..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 12, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
Throwing more West Region playoff scenarios out there cuz I'm bored

Wartburg@North Central.......North Central moving is making more and more sense to me and this seems to be the only for sure matchup if they are

If Stevens Point wins there in regardless, if they lose Redlands is in if they win, if they don't Stevens Point still gets in regardless of their loss

Whitewater is in no matter what with a highly expected win this week.

Best situation for the Scots (the one that has them playing anyone but Whitewater) is Stevens Point loses, Redlands loses......Stevens Point comes to Monmouth and St. Johns/Carleton go to Whitewater, and Oxy at Willamette
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 12, 2008, 10:08:17 PM
Whats does Northwestern winning do to this scenario? They are probably a slight dog, but its certianly not improbable for them to win on Saturday.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 12, 2008, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 12, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
Best situation for the Scots (the one that has them playing anyone but Whitewater) is Stevens Point loses, Redlands loses......Stevens Point comes to Monmouth and St. Johns/Carleton go to Whitewater, and Oxy at Willamette

I believe UWSP, should they beat La Crosse and win the WIAC, will be seeded higher than Monmouth when the pairing come out.  I also believe that if Whitewater wins and Point loses, Whitewater will be seeded higher, as well.  It only makes sense that a 9-1 WIAC Champion will grade out higher in the end than an defeated MWC Champion.  What do you think MWCfan?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 12, 2008, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 12, 2008, 12:44:16 PM
That post is an instant classic and I can't believe no one else "got it". Granted the pic isn't the greatest but it's easy enough to figure out.

I will let Bobo explain it. Then UW-0 needs a new mascot.

I don't really know what it means...I thought it was a cute picture!!  ;)  :D  ;D

Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2008, 02:32:43 PM
A simple joke for a simple man.   ;D

Quote from: MWCalum on November 12, 2008, 02:54:05 PM
not to shabby bobo.. bout time you make a legitimate contribution to the board..  ;D.. just kidding big guy..

You guys are a tough crowd!! ... can anyone say Rodney Dangerfield?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 13, 2008, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 12, 2008, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 12, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
Best situation for the Scots (the one that has them playing anyone but Whitewater) is Stevens Point loses, Redlands loses......Stevens Point comes to Monmouth and St. Johns/Carleton go to Whitewater, and Oxy at Willamette

I believe UWSP, should they beat La Crosse and win the WIAC, will be seeded higher than Monmouth when the pairing come out.  I also believe that if Whitewater wins and Point loses, Whitewater will be seeded higher, as well.  It only makes sense that a 9-1 WIAC Champion will grade out higher in the end than an defeated MWC Champion.  What do you think MWCfan?

I agree with it, but the NCAA...I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 13, 2008, 02:08:27 PM
Weather convenient I may go to the Point game Saturday. Not real interested in either team but it does have play off implications and getting a little WIAC flava never hurt anybody.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 13, 2008, 11:07:50 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 13, 2008, 02:08:27 PM
Weather convenient I may go to the Point game Saturday. Not real interested in either team but it does have play off implications and getting a little WIAC flava never hurt anybody.

Just gives you a chance to take out any deer that try to run out in front of your pick-up....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thrilla on November 14, 2008, 12:27:13 PM
West Bracket
1. Willamette
2. North Central
3. Occidental
4. Monmouth
5. UW-Stevens Point
6. UW-Whitewater (C)
7. MIAC winner
8. Wartburg
Moving North Central over here as we have only seven West teams qualifying and they dovetail nicely into this bracket. St. John's can get there in under 500 miles, so it works out. And yes, money rules all here so Occidental goes to Willamette. That and the two WIAC teams leave a mess elsewhere, so here's how we would pair up the rest of the first round: Wartburg at North Central, UW-Whitewater at Monmouth and the MIAC winner at UW-Stevens Point.

This is D3Football.com's take on it. Yes, they are projections and depending on games tomorrow, some wrenches could be thrown in there. If this stays true, what a draw for the Scots. For some reason I just can't see the defending champs on the road, especially going to a place that fits 5,000 at the most. In my opinion that number will be what hurts the Scots' chances of a home game. Hopefully I am wrong, however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 14, 2008, 04:49:32 PM
I believe Roopadomus called all that on November 3rd.

Quote from: The Roop on November 03, 2008, 06:27:24 AM
West Coast teams will square off in round 1 and I don't see any way around that, regardless of rankings.

Occidental
@Willamette

UW-Whitewater
@Monmouth

MIAC
@WIAC 1

IIAC
@North Central

So it was written.......................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 14, 2008, 05:02:01 PM
WW doesn't draw that well in playoffs. Only 4000 or so for home games. Lucky to have 1000 travel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2008, 05:12:58 AM
It's a bus ride either way so if Mt. Monmouths stadium satisfies the NCAA I think that's the bracket we will get if/when Point wins the WIAC. I can't see them sending a 10-0 Pool A to a 9-1 Pool C.

Northwestern (MN) could be a factor in this but they're not looking real strong as a Pool B candidate.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 15, 2008, 10:20:22 AM
I have never been a proponent of the WIAC being in DIII, so can Roop or anyone else tell me who I should be rooting for today in hopes that MC gets a first-round game against a "real" ;) DIII school?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2008, 10:45:15 AM
Root for UW-L to beat UW-SP. That's the shortest scenario to theorize about. I don't think Point gets in with a loss (too few in region games) so that opens the possibility for Ripon getting in. That changes the bracket dramatically but I think Mt. Monmouth hosts either way.

However, they should host a "real" DIII team if the latter is the case.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2008, 10:50:09 AM
FT06, I couldn't agree more.

I heard a rumor that if Monmouth "ho$t$," it might be at another in$titution with a more $ecure (ie. exclu$ive) venue.  Augu$tana, for example.  I gue$$ we'll know more tomorrow.

It's a funny, funny thing:  Of all the big time NCAA football programs which are supposed to be revenue producing for their institution, only a small fraction of them actually make a profit.  WHY, then, is revenue such a top priority for a first round DIII game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Fort Knox on November 15, 2008, 11:42:40 AM
Bad info Scottie...but typical of a Monmouth grad :D

I talked to some Monmouth folks last week...they are all set with temporary fencing if they get the bid to host. The NCAA OKed it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2008, 03:22:05 PM
Well, rumors are called rumors for a reason, I guess.  I can't wait to see the temporary fencing....slum the campus down like their neighbors to the east.  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 15, 2008, 05:14:30 PM
Wabash's loss and Cortland State's loss makes me think Mount Union could get moved to the East (they've been moved there before) and NCC stays in the North as the new #1 so......who will be moved to the west (I think they'll reject Redlands to save money)....I say possibly Aurora gets moved over.  If so: Occidental@Willamette, Aurora@Stevens Point, Wartburg @ Monmouth, St. Johns@Whitewarter





Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2008, 05:19:23 PM
With DePauw beating Wabash look for a bracket something like this as North Central probably doesn't get moved now.

Occidental
@Willamette

Wheaton
@Mt. Monmouth

St. Johns
@UW-Stevens Point

Wartburg
@UW-Whitewater

The Wheaton/Monmouth game could be switched with the St. Johns/Point game to keep the UWs on opposite sides of the bracket.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on November 15, 2008, 06:56:16 PM
Hey, Lawrence avoids the 0-fer this season, beating Minnesota-Morris.  They'll start next season with a 1-game winning streak!  Congrats, 1 is infinitely greater than 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 15, 2008, 08:23:56 PM
Occidental having to travel to Willamette sucks! Where else do you have that except in D3 where the #2 team has to travel to the #1 team in the first round?

All about the cash, and the West takes it in the shorts once again.

Your kids haven't been out to the west coast for a playoff game, at least in the recent past. They ought to get a shot at one for a change.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm a west coast guy, and I don't like the bracket being set up for financial reasons rather than what's best for the players.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2008, 08:36:55 PM
Perhaps Redlands and an independent like Chapman should join the UMAC for football only. Thereby creating another Pool A bid in the west in 2 years. That's the only way 3 west coast teams will ever get in. And I agree, it's not fair.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 15, 2008, 08:49:38 PM
It seemed like the NCAA finally treated the #1s like #1s a year ago...perhaps they continue that pattern and dont matchup the two in the first round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 15, 2008, 08:52:28 PM

I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and fly teams out to both Willamette and Oxy. It could happen. We'll see tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: siwash on November 15, 2008, 10:10:44 PM
What time are the pairings going to be announced?  Hope everything works out for the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 16, 2008, 01:21:41 AM
Quote from: siwash on November 15, 2008, 10:10:44 PM
What time are the pairings going to be announced?  Hope everything works out for the MWC.

d3.com front page says a five minute segment will air on ESPNews between 3:00 and 3:20pm Sunday, I'll assume that's Eastern Time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2008, 03:34:42 AM
Quote from: coco on November 15, 2008, 08:52:28 PM
I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and fly teams out to both Willamette and Oxy. It could happen. We'll see tomorrow.

If they knew for sure that the two teams they send out there would win, thereby ending the need for flights in the second round, they might. Too big of risk by trying that though as it could mean 5 flights vs. a max of 3 by pairing Oxy and Willamette in the first round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on November 16, 2008, 03:22:50 PM
Monmouth takes on Aurora in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2008, 03:39:55 PM
Whitewater would have to go on the road in the second round to eliminate the west coast survivor. Mt. Monmouth could end up hosting all the way to the semis.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 16, 2008, 04:28:56 PM
Wow, what a draw.  I say that as a compliment to the other teams in the west more than a dis to Aurora.....don't wanna jinx the Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 16, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
First off, it is not Mt. Monmouth.  It is just Monmouth.  I would assume that all of you would know that since they have been dominating the MWC as they should have.

Second, I am excited about the draw that Monmouth recieved. A home game against Aurora University.  They are the 8 seed and Aurora has not played very good opponents.
They have one common opponent in Lake Forest.  Monmouth won 56-2 and Aurora beat them 35-twenty something.

I predict a nice win for the Scotties this weekend. 
I will be attending the first win for the MWC in the playoffs.  Go Scotties! Make a statement to the d3 world that the Scotties are for real. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 16, 2008, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
I predict a nice win for the Scotties this weekend. 
I will be attending the first win for the MWC in the playoffs.  Go Scotties! Make a statement to the d3 world that the Scotties are for real. 

Check your history.  This will be the second MWC win in the playoffs.

Scotties will never have a better opportunity to make it to the second round.

You better not blow it! :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 16, 2008, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 16, 2008, 03:39:55 PM
Monmouth could end up hosting all the way to the semis.
Won't, but could.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 16, 2008, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
First off, it is not Mt. Monmouth.  It is just Monmouth.  I would assume that all of you would know that since they have been dominating the MWC as they should have.

Second, I am excited about the draw that Monmouth recieved. A home game against Aurora University.  They are the 8 seed and Aurora has not played very good opponents.
They have one common opponent in Lake Forest.  Monmouth won 56-2 and Aurora beat them 35-twenty something.

I predict a nice win for the Scotties this weekend. 
I will be attending the first win for the MWC in the playoffs.  Go Scotties! Make a statement to the d3 world that the Scotties are for real. 


Dominating the MWC since when? I think people up in De Pere would strongly disagree.

Aurora beat Lake Forest 35-13



Anyway, favorable draw for the Scots playing Aurora at home. Monmouth should win this game and get a chance for a second home game. However, Aurora has a DB that has some very amazing numbers this season. It will be interesting to see how Aurora's pass D does against the MWC Champs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 16, 2008, 05:31:59 PM
I have been one who has harped for years that MWC football is better than its national rep, if only the league could get a playoff shot against someone outside the WIAC or St. Johns (teams few others can beat either).

Monmouth gets that shot this year and has to be considered the favorite in this game, something I would think could only be said for an MWC school when SNC beat Simpson a few years back (although maybe folks expected Simspon to win then based on conference strength).

There is some pressure in that role, as the MWC may not get a chance like this again if the Scots lay an egg. If Monmouth wins, the pressure is off and I actually like their chances of taking either Wartburg or Point to the wire with a chance to win. MC needs to win before worrying about that.

Comparing scores is worthless Papa...Aurora will make this a game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2008, 05:54:48 PM
Speaking of eggs, lets not count our Scots before they've hatched. The Illini-Badger was a pretty fair football conference and thats what has become the NathCon; more or less. Still, I like UI-Mt. Monmouth St. being at home.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on November 16, 2008, 06:12:43 PM
When St John's beat UWW, they will have to travel to the West Coast, won't they? Roop?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 16, 2008, 06:33:24 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 16, 2008, 07:41:13 PM
You guys have gotten some unlucky draws in the past, and haven't done well in the playoffs. I hope that you can go deeper this year.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 16, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
Second, I am excited about the draw that Monmouth recieved. A home game against Aurora University.  They are the 8 seed and Aurora has not played very good opponents.

And Monmouth has?   ???  Neither team has played anybody.   ::)

IMO, you couldn't have asked for anything better...the way the bracket unfolds, IMO, this is the only way one of these two teams make it to the second round.  The survivor probably gets Stevens Point, which isn't favorable for either one.  You'll see...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2008, 08:32:45 PM
First of all, it's not the "Scotties".....  just kidding.  Papa, where have you been?  The Roop's inclusion of "Mount" is a term of endearment.   :D

A wonderful opportunity for the Scots in the first round.  Scottie will be there - prep the VIP lounge.



A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  B A G P I P E S ? ? ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2008, 08:49:06 PM
As noted, SNC got the first playoff win for the conference in football.

That said, go Monmouth and win another one for the league.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 16, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 16, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
Second, I am excited about the draw that Monmouth recieved. A home game against Aurora University.  They are the 8 seed and Aurora has not played very good opponents.

And Monmouth has?   ???  Neither team has played anybody.   ::)

IMO, you couldn't have asked for anything better...the way the bracket unfolds, IMO, this is the only way one of these two teams make it to the second round.  The survivor probably gets Stevens Point, which isn't favorable for either one.  You'll see...




Where did he say at all that Monmouth has played a tougher schedule? He was just making a statement about Aurora's schedule.

Stir that pot  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on November 16, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
I love it!!!  Once the playoffs start everyone comes onto eachothers boards and starts talking some smack. 

I'll take Momouth over Aurora every day of the week and I will be dollars to donuts that they whip up on the winner of the Warburg vs. UWSP game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: old man 89 on November 16, 2008, 09:29:59 PM
The thing that gets me is when everyone compares common opponets. I know that AU and MC are NOT the team they were in week 1 so the LF games means NOTHING!!! And stirring the pot is equally dumb..on our side as well as their side. Some willthink this is a cake-walk...but I would think not. Should be a heck of alot of fun.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 16, 2008, 09:40:11 PM
hey roop did you get to the point game yesterday? if so what did you think?

From what ive seen on fsn point is maybe a lil overrated.. not saying they arent good cause they clearly are.. they are the wiac champ and beat the defending nat'l champs but i think they are beatable. Teams just dont seem to finish against em when they have a chance to take them out.

MC is gona win this one folks. I think the nathcon is less talented then the mwc.. and monmouth is for real.. O GOD watch out.. aurora has one guy with good numbers.. Ripon had at least 2 db's with legit numbers and look what happened there... torched.. we'll have to see how monmouths D will come out... That will be the key for them. And they can beat point..  time for the mwc to show up and get something done in the playoffs for once
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 16, 2008, 09:44:30 PM
Nothing like offering your opponent some bulletin board material. Even asking about UW-SP at this point is ridiculously premature.

I did look at Aurora's schedule and they have a few players from the Monmouth area and many players from both schools teamed up in high school. Of course, the smart ones went to the Crimson and White.  8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 16, 2008, 09:55:49 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 16, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 16, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
Second, I am excited about the draw that Monmouth recieved. A home game against Aurora University.  They are the 8 seed and Aurora has not played very good opponents.

And Monmouth has?   ???  Neither team has played anybody.   ::)

IMO, you couldn't have asked for anything better...the way the bracket unfolds, IMO, this is the only way one of these two teams make it to the second round.  The survivor probably gets Stevens Point, which isn't favorable for either one.  You'll see...

Where did he say at all that Monmouth has played a tougher schedule? He was just making a statement about Aurora's schedule.
Stir that pot  ::)

Not trying to "stir" the pot...IMO he was trying to distance his team with the team they are playing by calling into question a perceived weakness of the opponents schedule.  I'm simply pointing out, not my opinion - but a fact - that Monmonth hasn't played anyone of any significance either. It's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on November 16, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
I love it!!!  Once the playoffs start everyone comes onto eachothers boards and starts talking some smack. 

I'll take Momouth over Aurora every day of the week and I will be dollars to donuts that they whip up on the winner of the Warburg vs. UWSP game. 

Rather naive outlook IMO klopenhiemer, thinking that it only happens during play-off season.  You, of all people, should know better than that.  ;)

I think you only make that bet with someone else's dollars and donuts!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2008, 10:40:41 PM
Quote from: MWCalum on November 16, 2008, 09:40:11 PM
hey roop did you get to the point game yesterday? if so what did you think?

No, but I wish I had. The snow never fell until late in the game and didn't amount to much any way.

Not sure I would call Point over rated as they have found ways to win. However, if things go the other way they could be a 3 or 4 loss team. Haven't picked a winner in my bracket yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 16, 2008, 10:57:27 PM
For the overconfident MC fans, lets not forget that Aurora is also looking at the bracket saying this is best possible thing that could have happend to us as well.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 16, 2008, 11:07:25 PM
Exactly, I posted that on their board......they are thinking "We're an 8 seed and we get to play Monmouth"   Scots better have a chip on their shoulders and play with something to prove.  Respect all, fear none.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2008, 11:58:31 PM
So, I guess Aurora is representing a newly-created conference.  Though they handled most of their conference opponents quite handily, I can't say that I recognize any of them as "football schools."  Their lone loss was to Illinois Wesleyan, a team which finished 6th in the CCIW. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2008, 12:44:37 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2008, 11:58:31 PM
So, I guess Aurora is representing a newly-created conference.  Though they handled most of their conference opponents quite handily, I can't say that I recognize any of them as "football schools."  Their lone loss was to Illinois Wesleyan, a team which finished 6th in the CCIW. 

BOTH of you 'lucked out' due to the bean-counters.  If the seeds had been followed, Aurora would be at Willamette, but Monmouth would be hosting St. John's.  Would you prefer that to Aurora? ;).

Good luck and may the best team win (by a fan of the only team to beat either of you so far)! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2008, 11:58:31 PM
So, I guess Aurora is representing a newly-created conference.  Though they handled most of their conference opponents quite handily, I can't say that I recognize any of them as "football schools."  Their lone loss was to Illinois Wesleyan, a team which finished 6th in the CCIW. 

Perhaps, but I think their toughest conference opponents were the McMainerberry JV followed closely by Tom Landry Middle School. They'll be stepping way out of D3 in going to Mt. Monmouth I tell ya whut.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on November 17, 2008, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 16, 2008, 09:55:49 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 16, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 16, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
Second, I am excited about the draw that Monmouth recieved. A home game against Aurora University.  They are the 8 seed and Aurora has not played very good opponents.

And Monmouth has?   ???  Neither team has played anybody.   ::)

IMO, you couldn't have asked for anything better...the way the bracket unfolds, IMO, this is the only way one of these two teams make it to the second round.  The survivor probably gets Stevens Point, which isn't favorable for either one.  You'll see...

Where did he say at all that Monmouth has played a tougher schedule? He was just making a statement about Aurora's schedule.
Stir that pot  ::)

Not trying to "stir" the pot...IMO he was trying to distance his team with the team they are playing by calling into question a perceived weakness of the opponents schedule.  I'm simply pointing out, not my opinion - but a fact - that Monmonth hasn't played anyone of any significance either. It's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on November 16, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
I love it!!!  Once the playoffs start everyone comes onto eachothers boards and starts talking some smack. 

I'll take Momouth over Aurora every day of the week and I will be dollars to donuts that they whip up on the winner of the Warburg vs. UWSP game. 

Rather naive outlook IMO klopenhiemer, thinking that it only happens during play-off season.  You, of all people, should know better than that.  ;)

I think you only make that bet with someone else's dollars and donuts!!

Dont start with me BoBo....You never came through during the pre-season so I do not hold your statements to much of any regard. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2008, 11:39:02 AM
Aurora's defense has created a boat-load of turnovers the last several games. I'll say that for the Spartans.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Mt. Monmouth 47 Arlen Freshmen 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 17, 2008, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Mt. Monmouth 47 Arlen Freshmen 6

Ouch! Are you trying to jinx the conference representative?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 12:24:55 PM
Dang ole Mt. Monmouth man. Ole Tanney 6 TDs. Hank ole propane propane propane.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2008, 12:27:44 PM
GO GREEN KNIGHTS

OK. I have been extremely busy but have to take a minute to post. Let's see. Do I go with the team from my conference? Or do I go with the team down the street? Let's See

GO MIDWEST CONFERENCE!!!

I will root for MWC and in this game I pick Monmouth!

Roop. Don't you start stirring the pot again. I know you and you like to create locker room reading for opponents. :)

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 12:34:55 PM
True, but I only create locker room material for the team that can't win. Beloit 21 St. Norbert St. 42 for example.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 12:46:01 PM
Perhaps a little confusing on my last post. I meant to say UW-St. Norbert State. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 17, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2008, 11:39:02 AM
Aurora's defense has created a boat-load of turnovers the last several games. I'll say that for the Spartans.

It's gonna be a test for that defense that they haven't had yet, they'll find out on Saturday if they can truly cover people.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 12:52:58 PM
I still like the Scots front 4 to pressure the QB.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2008, 12:55:38 PM
Ahhh, time to fill out my brackets.  Let's see...for my Final Four:

Mt. Monmouth
UCLA
North Carolina
Kansas

:D

S E N D   I T   I N ,   J E R O M E ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 17, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Forecast right now for Monmouth, IL on Saturday....43 and partly cloudy...should be decent enough for the pass game, if they move on though the weather might not cooperate and I hope the Scots are focusing on that run game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
scottie, while I think that Mt. Monmouth takes those teams easily, this is still the D3 football play offs, not basketball. Keep it real in other words.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 17, 2008, 01:11:12 PM
First, congrats to Monmouth on the undefeated regular season and MWC championship!  Second, it's already been said but I'll go ahead and agree, it's great when the playoffs roll around and more people show up to support or do a little smack-talking...either way, it makes the board more interesting and it's all in good fun!  Third, this has also already been mentioned but I'll say it again, a home playoff game against Aurora is a great opportunity for the Scots to get their first playoff win...now just stay focused on the Spartans and get the job done!

scottie - Glad to see that you'll be in attendance on Saturday.  I'll be in the Maple City for this one as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 17, 2008, 01:24:50 PM
I too will make the trip from Macomb up to Monmouth for this game.

Monmouth 35-24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2008, 02:14:17 PM
Many thanks for the public reprimand, The Roop.  I don't know what came over me.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2008, 02:26:09 PM
if scottie isn't yelling:
GO GREEN KNIGHTS


Then he is shouting:
GO TARHEELS

But we know what he will be cheering Saturday:

GO SCOTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2008, 02:27:47 PM
SNCOLDAD:  Not even close on the second one!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on November 17, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
MONMOUTH 35
Aurora         17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 17, 2008, 04:59:01 PM
Who else does everyone have in the region?

I'll take

Willy
UW-WW
UW-SP
Monmouth

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2008, 05:26:10 PM
Ditto that, Scots4.  Any upsets are welcome, however, excluding the Good Guys of course.  8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 10:47:30 PM
The upset you want is for Muhlenberg to win the south. Then the "scotties" will be home until Salem.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LCLB52 on November 18, 2008, 12:25:59 AM
Well it seems like Scottie wants to go to the NAC board to find out some insights. I played Aurora the past week and really they do nothing that is unbelievable, they play D and ther O scores. Pretty simple. The D is very good and if you guys shut down number 92 then your going to do all right...But I got to say good luck with that cause the kids a beast! However, I am glad that you guys are home cause last week when we went there, the fans were literally taunting our parents as well as a player on the team spit at the LC fan section and told the to suck his f'ing nuts...I mean from that standpoint I want these guys to get thumped but I also want a NAC win so I am going to say best of luck to you guys this weekend and a beat down would be a-ok by me ;-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2008, 09:53:48 AM
Sounds like they're running a Charm School up in Aurora, huh?   :D

Thanks, LCLB52.  You're a model American! 

Scots4:  I enjoyed you're comment to DC about his posts "hurting."  How true!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2008, 09:59:48 AM
Scots4 - I got the same picks as you for the first round in the West Region.

Also, for anyone that hasn't ventured over yet...some good chatter going on at the NAC board. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FatalImpact on November 18, 2008, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: LCLB52 on November 18, 2008, 12:25:59 AM
Well it seems like Scottie wants to go to the NAC board to find out some insights. I played Aurora the past week and really they do nothing that is unbelievable, they play D and ther O scores. Pretty simple. The D is very good and if you guys shut down number 92 then your going to do all right...But I got to say good luck with that cause the kids a beast! However, I am glad that you guys are home cause last week when we went there, the fans were literally taunting our parents as well as a player on the team spit at the LC fan section and told the to suck his f'ing nuts...I mean from that standpoint I want these guys to get thumped but I also want a NAC win so I am going to say best of luck to you guys this weekend and a beat down would be a-ok by me ;-)

Yeah right it was probably the other way around, There was probably an AU fan behind your bench and and someone on your team probably spit at them and said that, unless you saw it first hand which in the heat of the game I doubt you did unless it was on your sideline, and with coach dorherty anything is possible, then i doubt this event every happend, so i would keep mum on anything like that, unless you can tell i played for AU and coach duncan during his first year and they teach character and class, so i doubt this alleged event ever happened
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: au dad on November 18, 2008, 11:12:11 AM
LC, let me. The AU stands are on one side of the feild, the AU side. No way a LC player could have spit at any AU fan in the stands. Let's just say it was a common rivalary game, ugly on BOTH sides. If LCLB52 is who he protrays himself to be, I must say that you,sir, played one hell of a game. Both teams did some bad things and both sets of fans were out of hand. That is what happens in a rival game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2008, 12:05:47 PM
Thank God another dad with a sane head has shown up. Thanks au dad. I have no doubt that in a large amount of the games there are things that happen that do not need to. If it stays on the field, we the fans have no business commenting on it. If it affects the fans directly, such as was stated here, then that is a different story and no coach should tolerate that of any player. Does it happen? You bet. That does not make it right. A heated game has everyone on edge. Players, coaches and fans. We just have to try to control ourselves as best possible before we ruin a great game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2008, 12:08:07 PM
Oh, and one other minor thing. Hey FatalImpact, Nice KARMA!!!!    ;D  I guess we have seen your good side.  8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2008, 12:13:49 PM
Crowds can ruin a game, even if your team wins. However, I tend to believe that it is a fraction of a percentage that behaves in that manner. In the MWC we hear stories about the St. Norbert crowd behaving poorly. Well, out numbered 300-1, and wearing Beloit colors, I ventured over to their pre-game festivities and nothing ever happened to me except a warm welcome.

In conclusion. When you look to find fault or trouble it generally finds you first. I have yet to see a fan determine the outcome of a game via parking lot taunting. So why bother with it.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: spartanparent on November 18, 2008, 12:36:46 PM
LC, I second AU dad on his comment that you played one heck of a game and congrats to Lakeland for their great season this year.  As a person in attendance at the AU game Saturday I can say the atmosphere in the stands was tense on both sides.  The story you tell is true about the AU player acting the way you described, I witnessed it as I was in the stands close to the LC side.  I totally do not think what he did was acceptable from a player on the field.  What you could not hear across the field was what was being said to him by the LC fans.  It still does not excuse his actions in my opinion.  The other thing you could not see was the LC fan that got off his seat and called AU's coach over after a touchdown and started aggressively addressing the coach.  So I agree tensions were running high on both sides at that game which led to the antics of both sides.

I wish both the Spartans and Monmouth luck on Saturday and hope I will witness one great college football game!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2008, 12:42:46 PM
That must have been one heck of a game to watch. Or at least the fans had to be something to watch. I will caution the AU fans. When visiting Monmouth, remember to behave. If you don't, the skirts can get caught by the wind and you will regret having good vision.  :o

Good luck Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 18, 2008, 12:49:27 PM
I will be out tailgating by the tennis courts before the game if any spartan fan wants to have a beer. (in a non-clear plastic cup, of course)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: spartanparent on November 18, 2008, 01:16:02 PM
The best kind of cup to start off game day with ;) ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MrG on November 18, 2008, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 18, 2008, 12:49:27 PM
I will be out tailgating by the tennis courts before the game if any spartan fan wants to have a beer. (in a non-clear plastic cup, of course)

Scots4;  AU will be represented in the Tailgate area, I am sure you wont miss the AU flag and banner.  We are familiar with the non-clear plastic cups, so if you pass by say hi.  and here's hoping the wind isnt blowing to hard before the game........;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
Hey that sounds like my preferred pre-game activity of beverages in non-clear plastic cups! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MrG on November 18, 2008, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: MrG on November 18, 2008, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 18, 2008, 12:49:27 PM
I will be out tailgating by the tennis courts before the game if any spartan fan wants to have a beer. (in a non-clear plastic cup, of course)
**** Correction
Scots4;  AU will be represented in the Tailgate area, I am sure you wont miss the AU flag and banner.  We are familiar with the non-clear plastic cups, so if you pass by say hi.  and here's hoping the wind isnt blowing too hard before the game........;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 18, 2008, 02:09:10 PM
Definetly....I will be wearing a #33 Monmouth throwback football jersey.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LCLB52 on November 18, 2008, 02:50:58 PM
Well thanks for the back-up AU parents...Its just funny cause Fatal Impact obviously has not seen the way that the benches are set up...Our sideline we had the benches facing the field and they had theirs facing the stands...Ahhh some peoples kids I tell ya! HAHA! Also, thanks much for the good game wishes, I wish the score was not as lopsided as it seems! This game has a lot of good game potential and I wish for a good game, the way playoff games should be! Again good luck to both teams, and it seems that I may need to start my Saturday Morning off with a beverage in a non-clear cup since I have not had a Saturday like that for a few months! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FatalImpact on November 18, 2008, 07:19:46 PM
If you all would re-read my post it would be impossible for me to be a parent of a player if I indeed played for Coach Duncan, I also know that some not a lot but some AU fans stand behind the opposing sideline, I played at AU and I know what happens...That being said I have a very reliable source that has corrected me and I know that the story is indeed, true, I was not at the game, but I know plenty of people who were, I also know that while those actions were not very sportsmanlike, neither is the head coach not shaking hands with the opposing team and coaches,  my eyes and ears at that game informed me that Coach Dohrtery did not make an effort to shake the hands of the team he used to coach and the coaches that he used coach with, thats unsportsmanlike, from what i heard he walked straight from the sideline to the end-zone to where is team was to meet, I also have played LC and when we played them outside of MAC, LC was the dirtiest team we played, but that was also under coach z so i can't fault dorhtery for that that was coach Z's fault, and this my karma is long standing karma from previous "pot stirers" and it's fine with me until recently I hadn't posted for almost a year, I back my Spartans as my bottom line reads Aurora Football 24/7/365, and I don't judge a whole team on one players actions
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LCLB52 on November 18, 2008, 10:35:23 PM
Fatal Impact...You played for Aurora, but I was saying you do not know how they have stuff set up and yes Coach Doherty talked to the other coaches and shook their hands...Pretty sure after we got in the end zone he was still talking to people. Also, before the game he was talking to some AU players and also a coach...He was also talking with a coach after the game, so just go back to your 1 year drought and just never talk again ehh?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on November 18, 2008, 10:49:10 PM
LC I dont even know you but I like you already... I second your opinion...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FatalImpact on November 18, 2008, 10:54:45 PM
pretty sure my source is a little more trustworthy than you albeit you were both at that game it is a given formality you enter the line at the 50 at the end of the game and that fact the coach didnt join, given they did talk before the game, its tradition but LC wouldn't know anything about that, secondly i'm pretty sure i'm going to do whatever i want, I was coached under dorhtery and duncan, pretty sure i got more experience than you, everyone at the game has eyes so open yours
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on November 18, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
QuoteHere's the thing, if you're not going to talk subjectively about football we don't want you messing up our board.....so if you will not concede hearing discussions of your teams weakness go trash talk somewhere else
From FatalImpact on the NAC board...

a little hypocritical, are we?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2008, 11:22:50 PM
MC31: That (hypocritical) might be too many syllables for some of our guests to this board.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FatalImpact on November 19, 2008, 12:18:18 AM
i was talking about football subjectively, LCLB52 insulted myself and the AU squad i defend with facts and with reasoning and then you two have insulted my intelligence, I want to talk about this game, but when one isolated incident occurs and all of AU ic attacked...funny though y'all stir the pot on our board i return the favor and y'all get mad.....so am i the hypocrite no no it is you
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LCLB52 on November 19, 2008, 12:24:30 AM
Hey Fatal man, I just finished a four year career with Lakeland College, I have two rings, pretty sure thats tradition...But uhh how many do you have? And you talk a lot about playing for all these people, and you seem to know about coach Z, you seem to have a love for Aurora like you played, could you tell me the score of the Aurora Lakeland game my freshman year in 05 when I had a pick six? Also, the coaches never ever walk through a line to shake hands...The only time coaches go through the line is if they want to personally tell a player good game...Then a coach goes through the line.This isn't pop warner anymore where everyone tells the others good game...Also, you had a better source? Is there a better source then someone who played in the game? Pretty sure you werent even at the game seriously man just don't talk. I am going to just ignore this kid sorry for messing with your board, if fatal is a true supporter and at the game could someone just blow em with a bag pipe or something?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 19, 2008, 12:43:53 AM
LC- I would, but I am still trying to comprehend his "sentences."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 19, 2008, 06:08:05 AM
You guys on the MWC board are invited to join in the WIAC Board Pick'em contest for the playoffs.  Our point spreads are all even, just pick a winner for each game.  Go here (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4795.975) and look for reply #977 for more information. Bragging rights for a year is the prize for winning.  Good luck!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 09:01:40 AM
Yeah Fatal man and remember the time I scored 18 points in a seventh-grade basketball game against North Pine Prep you conniving bastard? ;D

LCLB52, please take your argument back to the NAC board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on November 19, 2008, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 09:01:40 AM
Yeah Fatal man and remember the time I scored 18 points in a seventh-grade basketball game against North Pine Prep you conniving bastard? ;D

LCLB52, please take your argument back to the NAC board.

Great post...and I will 100% agree with you.  Back your team man, but don't come on here and talk about the one play you made against the 3rd string of a 1-9 team, in your infamous four-year career that kept you on the sidelines because the coach had it out for you, injuries you couldn't overcome, and time spent trying to figure out what the heck is so ferocious about a "MUSKIE"  ??? Great tradition, Mr. 73-12 against UW-W.  Go back to your board LCLB
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LCLB52 on November 19, 2008, 09:47:14 AM
Yo, don't be getting on me I am done...I was just trying to make a point about tradition when we beat them 52-0 for a conference championship..I said I was done just calm down...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FatalImpact on November 19, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
The whole reason I came over here on the MWC board was to check the trash talk, usually when one team from a conference gets eliminated they want their own conference champ to win, when i came on this board i expected to hear it from the mc fans which is fine, but to hear all the sour grapes from LCLB52, WOW.....It makes it kind of hard to be at games when you work and live out of state, If you had read my previous posts I stated I had someone at the game telling me everything that went down....And as for the game your freshman year, I know we got trounced but you must have been that scrub i ran over 5-6 times.....It doesn't matter though the past is the past, I only talked about tradition I didn't drudge any particular thing up till just now(only the most recent game between AU and LC), Pretty sure I'm still going to do what I want

Now as for the game I am interested to see the match-up of AU's D and MC's O,  I've heard bothe are quite good
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 10:39:25 AM
Perhaps FatalImpact and LCLB52 should fight at the 50-yard line during halftime on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 19, 2008, 11:38:00 AM
Oh, so they are clearing the seats at halftime for a second session.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 19, 2008, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on November 19, 2008, 09:08:23 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 09:01:40 AM
Yeah Fatal man and remember the time I scored 18 points in a seventh-grade basketball game against North Pine Prep you conniving bastard? ;D

LCLB52, please take your argument back to the NAC board.

Great post...and I will 100% agree with you.  Back your team man, but don't come on here and talk about the one play you made against the 3rd string of a 1-9 team, in your infamous four-year career that kept you on the sidelines because the coach had it out for you, injuries you couldn't overcome, and time spent trying to figure out what the heck is so ferocious about a "MUSKIE"  ??? Great tradition, Mr. 73-12 against UW-W.  Go back to your board LCLB

THANK YOU SO MUCH.. for the hardest ive laughed in a long long time. I was at the game vs. UWW.. ugly.. the "muskie pain train" was derailed for sure. Im sorry LC but you did bring this on yourself for arguing with a player from your on conference on this board.. thats just poor party etiquette
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 19, 2008, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 10:39:25 AM
Perhaps FatalImpact and LCLB52 should fight at the 50-yard line during halftime on Saturday.

I propose sack races on consecutive sundays.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 19, 2008, 02:00:31 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 19, 2008, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 10:39:25 AM
Perhaps FatalImpact and LCLB52 should fight at the 50-yard line during halftime on Saturday.

I propose sack races on consecutive sundays.

Why choose just one? Have the 50-yard line fight on Saturday, winner gets the inside track for sack race #1. :)

scottie - You're quiet today...too busy for the board? ;)

fightingscots13 - Glad to see you around on the NAC board, I assume you'll be at the game on Saturday.  Has the infamous former football/basketball/baseball player (also once called the "worst player ever on the front page of d3.com!") talked to you this week?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LCLB52 on November 19, 2008, 02:56:14 PM
Yea yea yea a rough game that was, but that year they also lost to Mount Union in the championship and a current NFL player was on that team...So I am sure were not the only once that would have got trounced by them...But I said I was done, and the only reason I brought up the game was saying I was a freshman playing at the end of the game cause he wanted to talk about tradition...But I must say sorry for my immaturity, I should not stoop to others levels, I shall be the bigger man! HAHA! Anyways, peace, love, and rock and roll!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2008, 03:07:01 PM
Mav: I had a class this morning.  So sorry to have missed the NAC ("nucklehead athletic conference?") argument in real time.   

I'm sure there is a run-on paragraph or two to follow that one!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 19, 2008, 04:06:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 19, 2008, 03:07:01 PM
Mav: I had a class this morning.  So sorry to have missed the NAC ("nucklehead athletic conference?") argument in real time.   

I'm sure there is a run-on paragraph or two to follow that one!   ;D

Class?!  That's no excuse...I have classes all day but I make time for the boards. ;)

And yes, run-on paragraphs for everyone!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 19, 2008, 05:44:17 PM
Nice article on the Scots webpage today....had alot of info on the Spartans that was new to me

http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/releases/2008/football-playoff-preview-111908.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 19, 2008, 06:10:55 PM
I had to think about your post for a minute, Mav, but yes, he's been in contact and claims he'll be going at 6:30 Saturday morning - I think I'll see him about 9:00...

And just a quick note to the AU fans - if you think some of the MC posters are talking smack, just be glad you're not playing St. John's.  Those Johnnies fans sure know how to talk trash...'I guess that's better than eating it'. (for you, Scottie Seinfeld).  Three years ago I think they sent an MC poster into hiding - I don't think he's posted since (see Mav's post regarding the 'worst player...').  In his defense, though (and Mav can back me up on this), he's probably too busy working on his 'J', his swing and running out-routes.  :D

But at the game in '05, everyone was welcome during the tailgating and no intent was meant during the posts leading up to the game.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 19, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
mcwaterboy- you sound like Vitale talking about (insert ACC team here).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FatalImpact on November 19, 2008, 07:51:49 PM
LCL52

Trust me I'm right and, i do not want to carry this on, so I will also be the bigger man and end it the past is past
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 08:02:48 PM
You're so this afternoon LCLB, we are done with you :D

Now lets talk about how mcwaterboy's post makes me want to root for Aurora A&M
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 19, 2008, 08:04:23 PM
How about some worthwhile info from an MC fan...will Wantland play?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 19, 2008, 08:17:07 PM
mcwaterboy- you just gave a novel of info...


wantland is probable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on November 19, 2008, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: mcwaterboy on November 19, 2008, 08:14:31 PM
hey now.. we cant be giving info to Aurora.... he is a gametime decision... doubtful

ya that post means he is playing..  that was quite the rant.. haha... possibly a lil ridiculous, makin ur team sound like they could beat mount union.. mt. monmouth st. a&m tech is pretty good but im not sure if their O could keep up with some of the top Defenses.. Im not saying tehy arent unreal and i know thye are top in the nation but when you got guys that coulda gone d-1 or transfers from OSU playin corner, your wr's are gona get shut down.. Im still rooting for em (maybe a lil less after that message ::)) im just happy the NAC guys are done arguing like 6th grade girls.. whew.. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 19, 2008, 09:17:18 PM
looks like i cant have too much on this board....

Prediction 48-14 Monmouth

Good luck to both teams and Go Scots

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 20, 2008, 09:20:04 AM
Did waterboy's original post get deleted?  Sounds like it was a real piece of work....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 20, 2008, 09:45:08 AM
Sorry its taken me so long to join these boards. As a former Scot I am excited about getting to host a playoff game. I am sure the Aurora faithful that make the trip will be greeted warmly. We actually used to play Aurora back when I played as a non-con game, glad to see they are achieving success. Lets just hope Tanney is on his game and the OL will give him time. Best of luck to the Scots and I hope to make the trip back on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 20, 2008, 10:30:45 AM
Scottie-I deleted my previous post.. Basically as a fan I was just talking up the team that I support....

Maverick- sweet website. Do you go to the school?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 20, 2008, 11:25:23 AM
DO NOT pick a winner in the UW-Stevens Point/Wartburg game. The Mt. Monmouth/Aurora winner will be receiving a bye in the next round as Donovan McNabb has forecast a tie.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 20, 2008, 01:35:51 PM
Maverick, where is the good tailgating gonna be at when arrive over there Saturday morning. I'll probably swing by the old fraternity house and see what is going on there first, but will be my first time back this year. I will definitly get there early to get a good parking spot. Looking forward to filling up my non clear plastic cup a few times.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 20, 2008, 02:14:58 PM
The usual tailgating spot is right there on campus near the tennis courts. However, I have been told that this is going to be used exclusively for parking only and that the tailgating area will be up at the legion by the baseball fields. However, I think this is the dumbest idea ever and I will be on campus somewhere starting at about 8 or 9am.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 20, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 19, 2008, 06:10:55 PM
I had to think about your post for a minute, Mav, but yes, he's been in contact and claims he'll be going at 6:30 Saturday morning - I think I'll see him about 9:00...

And just a quick note to the AU fans - if you think some of the MC posters are talking smack, just be glad you're not playing St. John's.  Those Johnnies fans sure know how to talk trash...'I guess that's better than eating it'. (for you, Scottie Seinfeld).  Three years ago I think they sent an MC poster into hiding - I don't think he's posted since (see Mav's post regarding the 'worst player...').  In his defense, though (and Mav can back me up on this), he's probably too busy working on his 'J', his swing and running out-routes.  :D

But at the game in '05, everyone was welcome during the tailgating and no intent was meant during the posts leading up to the game.

He told me the same thing about being there before the sun even comes up on Saturday.  I'm not planning on being there that early, but it's fine with me if he shows up then so he can hold down a parking spot until everyone else arrives around 9.  I can't remember what his poster name was on here...maybe he'll check the board in between jumpers, swings, and routes to drop some words of wisdom on us. :D  And yes, the Johnnie folks can talk the trash and fill up a message board better than anyone around.  But like you said, once Saturday morning rolled around and everyone was at the same tailgate spot, it was all fun.

Quote from: Scots4 on November 19, 2008, 08:17:07 PM
wantland is probable.

Good news there...not just for the first round, but for next weekend also if the Scots can win on Saturday.

Quote from: mcwaterboy on November 20, 2008, 10:30:45 AM
Maverick- sweet website. Do you go to the school?

I went to MC a few years ago, graduated in 2004 and played for the Scots from 2000-2003.  Thanks for the props on the website--I was born and raised in Monmouth, so I played all my football in the Maple City and that's why I started the site.  I'm just glad I was able to get it caught back up this weekend...had computer problems for the last 2 months, finally got it all ironed out, and am now able to update the site regularly again.

Quote from: formerscot4 on November 20, 2008, 01:35:51 PM
Maverick, where is the good tailgating gonna be at when arrive over there Saturday morning. I'll probably swing by the old fraternity house and see what is going on there first, but will be my first time back this year. I will definitly get there early to get a good parking spot. Looking forward to filling up my non clear plastic cup a few times.

The tailgating is usually in or right next to the big parking lot to the west of Bobby Woll Memorial Field, entrance to the lot is on 6th Street and the lot itself is just south of the tennis courts at the corner of 6th and Euclid.  Typically there are groups of people around there and you can't miss it, you'll see the tents set up in that area.  Most of the time, I'm a pre-game at the Legion with a burger and a beverage type of guy...but for the playoffs I'll probably be doing some tailgating in that lot. :)

Quote from: Scots4 on November 20, 2008, 02:14:58 PM
The usual tailgating spot is right there on campus near the tennis courts. However, I have been told that this is going to be used exclusively for parking only and that the tailgating area will be up at the legion by the baseball fields. However, I think this is the dumbest idea ever and I will be on campus somewhere starting at about 8 or 9am.

You got that right Scots4. 

PS - Sorry my post is so long...at least it's not one big run-on paragraph. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 21, 2008, 11:52:14 AM
Wow, all kinds of talk early in the week and now there's nothing new in almost 24 hours...and gametime is only about 24 hours away at this point!  Did we use up all our energy from Sunday through Thursday and there's nothing left in the tank now? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 21, 2008, 11:55:26 AM
Too many papers to write before Turkey break. All done now, heading to the Maple City in 5 hours.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 21, 2008, 11:58:35 AM
I was expecting more chatter also. I just joined these message boards this week. I hope to heading over to the game in the morning, its less than an hour from home so not too bad of a drive. I don't think I will be wearing my kilt though. Good luck to my alma mater GO SCOTS!!!! You can do it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 21, 2008, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 21, 2008, 11:55:26 AM
Too many papers to write before Turkey break. All done now, heading to the Maple City in 5 hours.

You must be planning for a big night if you're heading up to M-Town that early.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on November 21, 2008, 02:00:37 PM
Congratulations to the players of the year in the Midwest Conference Offense Alex Tanney Monmouth, Defense Jeremey Winter Carrroll, and Coach of the year Steve Bell Monmouth. I thought these two players were most deserving of the awards, but could have gone a few different ways on defense, but Winter showed many that he was the best player in the conference especially with the two impressive interceptions for TD's he had this season to go along with his 16 TFL's, 6 forced fumbles, 2 recovered fumbles, and 5 sacks. Again, this award for defense could have gone many different ways (i.e. Bret Maloney from Grinnell, Anthony Goranson from Monmouth were two deserving players from the conference as well) Congratulations to all on there all conference recognition, and good luck to the Fighting Scots this weekend. Show some people what this conference is all about!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 21, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 21, 2008, 11:59:56 AM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 21, 2008, 11:55:26 AM
Too many papers to write before Turkey break. All done now, heading to the Maple City in 5 hours.

You must be planning for a big night if you're heading up to M-Town that early.

I'm going to camp out in line...to make sure I get a seat tomorrow
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 21, 2008, 03:30:12 PM
D3Football.com experts pick MC going away...

Keith: Monmouth, 38-20
Ryan: Monmouth, 42-31
Pat: Monmouth, 30-13

I think Aurora has a great chance for the upset, but have to agree with the D3guys.. I'll say

MC 31, Aurora 21

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2008, 06:46:20 PM
Scottie has touched down in Monmouth.  The "temporary fencing" isn't too distracting.  But all of you kids buy your tickets like good boys and girls.


A R E   Y O U   R E A D Y   F O R   S O M E   B A G P I P E S ? ! ? ! ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: NCC.2008 on November 21, 2008, 09:28:51 PM
Good luck to the Scots tomorrow, I'll be cheering for my L-P boys from Naperville.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 08:30:11 AM
Cool. The Aurora @Mt. Monmouth game is available on PennAtlantic/MWCTV and best of all it's free. Sounds like I'll be tailgating from the couch today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 22, 2008, 09:42:25 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 08:30:11 AM
Cool. The Aurora @Mt. Monmouth game is available on PennAtlantic/MWCTV and best of all it's free. Sounds like I'll be tailgating from the couch today.

The Roop, do you have the link to help this poor fella out?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 22, 2008, 11:13:55 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 22, 2008, 09:42:25 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 08:30:11 AM
Cool. The Aurora @Mt. Monmouth game is available on PennAtlantic/MWCTV and best of all it's free. Sounds like I'll be tailgating from the couch today.

The Roop, do you have the link to help this poor fella out?

bobo - the link is available on Monmouth's website www.monm.edu.....should be able to find it from there

gametime is noon central time
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 22, 2008, 02:09:35 PM
Good first half for the Scots! 20-0. A couple of nice pick offs and some timely plays have them in good shape. #92 for Aurora is really good at DT. I did not realize Heinz on of the RB's for the Spartans played for them. He was from our local HS team. He made a couple of nice runs,  good to see he is still playing.

Keep it up Scots and lets the V!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 03:30:24 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 17, 2008, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 17, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Mt. Monmouth 47 Arlen Freshmen 6
Ouch! Are you trying to jinx the conference representative?

42-6 (with a missed field goal) before Mt. Monmouth put the JV defense in. Don't question my predictions in the future  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on November 22, 2008, 03:42:43 PM
it wasnt even a contest... turnovers were the difference...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 22, 2008, 04:28:38 PM
Wartburg downs Stevens Point, which is the better second round draw for MC in my opinion. If you are comparing scores, the Loras and SNC results certainly favor Wartburg, not to mention they beat Monmouth in 2006 and 2007. 

Still, as an outsider who doesn't know much about Wartburg, they appear to have been a little inconsistent this season. They also shouldn't have the complete book on MC, as the 2006 team had a QB making a first career start in a run-orientated offense led by Daniels. The 2007 loss was Tanney's first career start as well, so I am sure those playbooks were pretty vanilla compared to next week.

Does Monmouth host based on being the higher seed? I should probably know this, but hey, playoff wins are a rarity around here. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 22, 2008, 05:00:43 PM

Well! I guess you settled the argument with Aurora, didn't you?
Congratulations to the Scots.

According to what I've read, the higher seed hosts, so you guys should get to have Wartburg come to your house. They travel well and are good people. We played them twice in the playoffs a few years back.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MrG on November 22, 2008, 05:05:15 PM
Congratulations and Good Luck in the Play offs to the Fighting Scots.  You certainly were the better team today.  Five turnovers hurt the Spartans but I have to give credit to QB Alex Tanney.  He had an excellent game.

AU had a great season and will be in the mix for the NATHC Championship next season.  Good luck to all the seniors on both teams in their life after college football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 05:09:16 PM
How do you play the same team twice in the play offs ?? Did Donovan McNabb seed the field or something ??

Played them two years in the play offs makes more sense.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2008, 05:21:18 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 22, 2008, 05:28:09 PM
Monmouth will host Wartburg next weekend in round 2. Great game for the Scots. Besides a few plays by #92 and couple other Spartans, the passing game looked good.
the Spartans front four played pretty well, bu tthe well timed passing game was too much for them.

Lets keep it going next weekend against the Knights, could be a barnburner. At least we have a little idea of what they from playing them the last couple of years. Hope they bring a good crowd. Should be an exciting day in the Maple City, our crowd needs to come out in droves to support this. I do not htink many people realize how big a day this could be. As a proud alum I will be there with my non clear plastic cup!!

GO sCOTS!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 22, 2008, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 05:09:16 PM
How do you play the same team twice in the play offs ?? Did Donovan McNabb seed the field or something ??

Played them two years in the play offs makes more sense.  ;)

Yes, that's what I meant. We played them two years in a row. I wasn't very clear.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 05:43:01 PM
LOL. You're forgiven coco. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Oh crap, that's a tie too isn't it.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 22, 2008, 06:10:08 PM

Thanks.

Hey, do you know if there will be any sort of webcast next Saturday?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 07:37:22 PM
No, but I suggest checking the Mt. Monmouth website or PennAtlantic.com
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 22, 2008, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 07:37:22 PM
No, but I suggest checking the Mt. Monmouth website or PennAtlantic.com

Why do you keep calling them Mt Monmouth? Just Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 22, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
formerscot4:  The Roop is just showing MC a little love, as in comparing the mighty Scots to the Purple Raiders of Mount Union.  Get it? 

I was very impressed with the Scots today, as everybody should have been.  I think Wartburg should be a major leap from Aurora in terms of talent, but you have to play who is in front of you first.  I'll give the AU fans some props on their site.  They cheered hard for their team, even when there was no doubt about the outcome. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 09:00:28 PM
Sorry scottie but I wasn't impressed as Mt. Monmouth didn't match my prediction exactly; but I think I got it close enough to forecast another.

Mt. Monmouth 17 Wartburg 13 on a last second play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 23, 2008, 03:35:52 PM
Wartburg thinks Monmouth is who they thought they were and they will let them off the hook.

Monmouth 31 Wartburg 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 23, 2008, 03:38:20 PM
Quiet board today after Monmouth's victory yesterday.  All of you must be watching figure skating because the Bears game is already a blow out!

Congrads to the Scots on their first playoff win yesterday.  I thought Aurora did a great job of stopping the run early on, however Tanney did a nice job of managing the game.  The short patterns really beat up the Aurora secondary.  Kudos to the Aurora crowd.  I thought that the crowd was loud and cheering for their team through out the entire game.

I did think that the Monmouth crowd was quiet and really not into the game.  I was disappointed with the lack of cheering from the Monmouth side as well as the number of people at the game.  This is a special time for Monmouth football and I believe that their needs to be more support from the fans and alumni.  I hope that the crowd is bigger for next weeks matchup versus a tough Wartburg team.  

I haven't done any research on Wartburg but beating a WIAC team is usually no small task.  Any information on the team would be nice.

Go Scots!  Keep ROLLIN!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: au dad on November 23, 2008, 03:50:30 PM
Congrats to the Scots on the win yesterday. They really controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Your QB was great when he got a ton of time and that goes to the O-line. They really controlled the game. The only thing negative I have to say about the experience is that the climbing of the stands in the Scots section to get to the Concessions is not the best situation. Get a more difficult set of fans on the other side and BAD things could happen. Good luck to the Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 23, 2008, 05:05:38 PM
Papa,

I caught some of the game on the webcast yesterday and was dissapointed with the number of open seats on the Monmouth side of the stands (the only sdide you can see on the webcast).

I was at their homecoming game in 2005 and the place was overflowing. I thought it would be a similar atmosphere.

With the students being out for Thanksgiving, I would expect MC's homefield advantage to be further negated this weekend.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 23, 2008, 05:33:11 PM
The students do not go on break until wednesday. Next weekend will be worse.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 23, 2008, 09:12:01 PM
Just want to say congrats to all the fighting scots for their hard work and for winning the first playoff game ever in school history.  Its a pretty exciting time to be a scots fan, however I too was dissapointed in the fan turnout we had over the weekend.  I imagine that a lot of students did not want to pay to get in the game.  The fee is only four dollars, but students have never had topay before.  Next weekend will be worse but I have a feeling that we will see all the players families come support their kids as the playes will not be traveling home for thanksgiving break.  I don't see many students coming back for this game as the dorms will be closed down until Sunday.  Hopefully we get some support from local fans. 

Just wanna say great season to Aurora and all of their players, you guys had a great season and nothing to be dissapointed about.  Goodluck to Wartburg.  I predict this game to be much different then last year.  Last year we had a young and inexperienced offense, but not making any excuses we just flat out got our butts kicked.  Im hoping our offense keeps rolling as I predict a bit of a shootout this weekend..

42-28 Scots.  Sorry to my boys on the d for predicting so many points given up. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 23, 2008, 09:21:02 PM
Greetings Scots!
Boy am I happy to be making the trip with several, several hundred other Knights fans. We outnumbered and outcheered the Pointers fans in their house and made it a Wartburg home game and had a blast so hopefully you guys come out to support your team.
Plan on rolling in aroun 9 to set up the tailgate and will be using my 48 oz Orange mug so I shouldn't have a problem should I?
What's the tailgating atmosphere like? All in one lot? Parked on Side Streets?
Knights are playing well right now and the defense is as fast as they come. Very undersized but didn't seem to have a problem against the big lugs up front for the Pointers.
Looking forward to meeting a lot of you. I'll be the loud guy blaring tunes from my van  with the obnoxiously orange coat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 23, 2008, 09:34:40 PM
Walston,

Park on the west side of the football field near the tennis courts. There is a big parking lot behind North Hall that is used for the tailgate. There will be many tents, etc. up there so you shouldnt have a hard time finding it. I think the turnout will be terrible because of Thanksgiving break and no students allowed to be in their dorms. The fans that were at the Aurora game were not very loud at all and Monmouth parents scolded me everytime I wanted to get rowdy for the Scots.

The game is webcast, with live video, on the Monmouth website and I know thats what kept alot of people from going out and braving the elements.

I will be there to watch the game and tailgate on Saturday so maybe I will run into you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 23, 2008, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 23, 2008, 09:34:40 PM

The game is webcast, with live video, on the Monmouth website and I know thats what kept alot of people from going out and braving the elements.


Maybe they should enact the blackout rules that the NFL has.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 24, 2008, 12:14:37 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 23, 2008, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 23, 2008, 09:34:40 PM

The game is webcast, with live video, on the Monmouth website and I know thats what kept alot of people from going out and braving the elements.


Maybe they should enact the blackout rules that the NFL has.

I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing.  C'mon Scots fans....be like David Putty and,"support the team!"  (FS13 should get a kick out of that quote.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 24, 2008, 12:25:35 PM
Congrats to the Scots on the first ever playoff victory!  Everyone start talking to your relatives, neighbors, friends, etc etc etc...and get 'em over to Monmouth for a bigger turnout this weekend against Wartburg.  Need to see lots of people in red making lots of noise around the tailgates, bleachers, fence, and hillside!  For the ones that made it out to the Aurora game, it was a good time depsite the cold weather--but we need more fans for some extra fun this coming weekend.  Just dress in layers and the cold won't be that bad. ;)  And to the former Fighting Scots football players that I ran into this weekend, it was good seeing you boys and hope to see you again this Saturday.

Also...Scots4 - Love the Denny Green reference! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rdefense on November 24, 2008, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 23, 2008, 05:33:11 PM
The students do not go on break until wednesday. Next weekend will be worse.


Quote from: Scots4 on November 23, 2008, 05:33:11 PM
The students do not go on break until wednesday. Next weekend will be worse.


Or better
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LCLB52 on November 24, 2008, 12:56:56 PM
Well congrats to the scots on their big win this weekend. Let me tell you that this weekends game is going to be vvery tough. I was at the Wartburg Steven's Point game this weekend and I was very impressed with Wartburg. The style offense they run is incredible. They run a lot of ace but they run a no-huddle hurry up style offense. Their screen game is simply remarkable. Steven's Point is lucky that they had a pretty good defense or the score could have been a lot worse then it was. The first and second scoring drives were the same screen play to the WR. Very good at this part of the game. They ran the play twice in a row for the second score of the game and Point was unable to stop them. These guys are all very tough on defense and they fly around with tremendous speed. They also bring the boom. It will be interesting to see how this game goes but I wish the best of the luck to the Scots. Wartburg is tough as nails and a very sound football game. It seems they travel well and I hope that you all see a very good game this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 24, 2008, 01:01:04 PM
I would like to commend both Monmouth and Wartburg on their victories this past weekend. Having seen both play this year I know this will be a heck of a game. SNC played WC the very first game. If our team had shown a little better organization it would have made it a very close game if not an SNC victory. It was also WC's 1st game so I am sure they could say the same.

I look forward to this and I believe that Monmouth can score against WC. The question will be can they stop them. :)

Good luck all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 02:00:12 PM
Question- What are the visitor's bleachers like. Will we have to invade the home side?
I saw pictures of the new stadium and it looks very nice. SImilar to Loras's Rock Bowl.
Any pics of the visitor's side anyone's got.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 24, 2008, 02:18:43 PM
The visitor's bleachers are nice, which they should be since they are brand new; but it's certainly not the biggest set of stands that you've ever seen.  I don't know for sure what amount the visitor's side will hold...hopefully there are no open seats on the home side for you Knight fans to invade though. ;)  Only pics I know of are those in the football stadium photo gallery on the MC website.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 24, 2008, 02:23:53 PM
http://www.monm.edu/slideshows/football-field/football-field6.htm

Here you go.  This was taken during the construction phase.  I believe Monmouth also put up a temporary set of bleachers right next to these, but Aurora didn't need them.  There is also ample room to stand on your side of the field, if anyone has trouble sitting still.  You certainly don't need to come over to the homeside and displace anyone.   ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
Definitely won't displace anyone, but if there's open seats in a corner a little higher up come game time, and no room left on the visitor's side, I may be there. Don't worry though, I'm quiet. You'll never know I'm there.
I tend to maximize my time in the lots before games so odds are if there's another good Knight following, I may not have a seat on the side with the good guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 24, 2008, 04:46:24 PM
Pat:  I just listened to the podcast and heard you say that you're hoping to come to the Monmouth/Wartburg game.  Is this true?? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 24, 2008, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 24, 2008, 04:46:24 PM
Pat:  I just listened to the podcast and heard you say that you're hoping to come to the Monmouth/Wartburg game.  Is this true?? 

Wow, the real PC making an appearance in the Maple City?!?!  Impressive if that is true and actually happens on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 05:18:40 PM
Hey Scots-
What is the town like? Will we be able to travel light and pick up provisions in town or should we bring everything with us? Some sort of supermarket close to the stadium?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 24, 2008, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 05:18:40 PM
Hey Scots-
What is the town like? Will we be able to travel light and pick up provisions in town or should we bring everything with us? Some sort of supermarket close to the stadium?

Walston - The town is good, I always have a good time when I'm in Monmouth...of course, I grew up there, so maybe I'm biased.  There is a County Market on the north end of town, corner of 6th Street and the highway (Route 34), which is just about a half-mile or so north of campus.  I think that would be your best bet and you should be able to get whatever you will need there, unless it's something out of the ordinary that you're gonna be searching for.  Never know about some of you Iowa guys... :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 05:26:57 PM
Other than making sure I have Iowa Corn-fed beef and pork, I'm down with whatever else the market has. Do they have liquor there or where is the best place for that?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 24, 2008, 05:37:31 PM
They have liquor there and if memory serves me, you should be able to buy it in the morning when you get to Monmouth.  I don't remember them having any rules against buying liquor before a certain time of day, but I can't recall for sure...so if anyone does, help me out here.

And just out of my own curiosity, if you're gonna be drinking "pop" like you said...why do you need to know about liquor sales anyhow? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 05:42:46 PM
Its for my uhhh, Dad, yeah. I'm buying it for my dad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2008, 05:43:35 PM
Actually, unfortunately, no longer true. When we recorded that yesterday I was ready to give up finding a fare that would get me to the game I really wanted to see: UW-Whitewater at Willamette.

Today I got some luck in that regard.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 24, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
I'm pretty sure that you can buy alcohol at anytime on a Saturday. This is just me going off of memory from previous tailgates before baseball and football games. Also, there is a shopko right across the street from county market if you forget anything along those lines. After the game, there is a few nice pizza places as well as all your normal fast-food restaurants if you are looking to sit down somewhere. A couple nice bars are there as well that will have sports on and cheap alcohol as well.

Pat, nice job on the podcast.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 24, 2008, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2008, 05:43:35 PM
Actually, unfortunately, no longer true. When we recorded that yesterday I was ready to give up finding a fare that would get me to the game I really wanted to see: UW-Whitewater at Willamette.

Today I got some luck in that regard.

Maybe you can come to visit Monmouth in round 3 when the Scots host Whitewater....if we're not playing @ Willamette, that is.   ;) 

Okay, that's not a first round of trash-talk.  So don't go there.  ha ha!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 05:53:28 PM
I don't talk trash on message boards. I yell it across the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 24, 2008, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 05:42:46 PM
Its for my uhhh, Dad, yeah. I'm buying it for my dad.

Yeah, I should've known that...such a nice guy to buy it for your dear old dad.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2008, 05:43:35 PM
Actually, unfortunately, no longer true. When we recorded that yesterday I was ready to give up finding a fare that would get me to the game I really wanted to see: UW-Whitewater at Willamette.

Today I got some luck in that regard.

While UWW vs. Willamette should be a good game in the pacific northwest region, the one in the midwest with Monmouth vs. Wartburg should be good as well.  Too bad you can't make it PC, you could've shared some beverages in non-clear plastic cups with the Scots and Knights tailgaters! ;D

Quote from: Scots4 on November 24, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
I'm pretty sure that you can buy alcohol at anytime on a Saturday. This is just me going off of memory from previous tailgates before baseball and football games. Also, there is a shopko right across the street from county market if you forget anything along those lines. After the game, there is a few nice pizza places as well as all your normal fast-food restaurants if you are looking to sit down somewhere. A couple nice bars are there as well that will have sports on and cheap alcohol as well.

Pat, nice job on the podcast.

Good memory there, Scots4.  The pizza places are always good, we went to The Well after the Aurora game and there were plenty of MC folks down there having some drinks, eating some good bar food, watching some more college football, etc.

Quote from: scottie on November 24, 2008, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2008, 05:43:35 PM
Actually, unfortunately, no longer true. When we recorded that yesterday I was ready to give up finding a fare that would get me to the game I really wanted to see: UW-Whitewater at Willamette.

Today I got some luck in that regard.

Maybe you can come to visit Monmouth in round 3 when the Scots host Whitewater....if we're not playing @ Willamette, that is.   ;) 

Okay, that's not a first round of trash-talk.  So don't go there.  ha ha!

You had to go there, didn't you scottie?! ;)  You making the trip to Monmouth this weekend?  I threw some washers with your good buddy fs13 around 9 am on Saturday...never did see you though.

Quote from: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 05:53:28 PM
I don't talk trash on message boards. I yell it across the field.

How about across parking lot tailgates as well? :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 24, 2008, 06:02:46 PM
Nope, its all in good fun until the opening kickoff. Then the Incredible WH rips his shirt off and is ready to go.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 24, 2008, 06:11:16 PM
WH, I already like you. But the picture may be a little off! :)

I think this is going to be a very good game. In fact there may be some that think it is over early, and, look out, the other team comes roaring back. This will be a game of adjustments. And FAST!!! SNC did not adjust fast. Early season game. But I think Monmouth can do it. I assume Wartburg can also do it. This is going to be an incredible chess match.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: snca on November 24, 2008, 07:04:09 PM
Congrats to Monmouth on the big win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 24, 2008, 07:26:34 PM
Maverick- I dont know how good the memory is since I only graduated from Monmouth last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 24, 2008, 10:21:42 PM
The Aurora fans gave us this website.  When I did it, it predicted Monmouth to win 25 out of the 25 games.  I know, I know...thats why we play the game.

But it makes me feel good about this weekend.

I am predicting 34-21.  That extra point team lets one get blocked.  Sorry Coach.  I know 6 must be 7.

http://www.nationalsportsrankings.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_oneonone

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 24, 2008, 10:29:38 PM
What do I think?

I beat Oklahoma with Western Kentucky for the 'ship this year on NCAA 09. Thats how I feel about sport simulations/games. Mason "The Line" Dixon agrees.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 25, 2008, 12:27:04 PM
Well, The Roops dad; being The Roops dad; threw everybody a curve by heading to northern WI for Thanksgiving despite the fact that I will be in Beloit for the holiday. So.................... Do I cut the visit with Mom and Gramps short and head north to be my dad and uncle or do I grace the Mt. Monmouth campus with my presence as has been requested ?? Additionally, could anyone please tell me how to break a Siamese of a potato chip addiction ??

NRO Security will of course have to approve my visit, but with a few Cuesta Rey Centenario #5s I'm sure the site will be approved.

Yes scottie, The Roop will be there.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 25, 2008, 12:35:34 PM
Try putting the cat in this carrier.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uel.ac.uk%2Fsubaqua%2Fsite%2Fimages%2Fjokes%2Fcat-carrier.jpg&hash=9cea291f46ed7ce8053f4152e2b728e3d1ac50dd)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 25, 2008, 12:53:15 PM
I want to keep him out of my bag of chips, not corkscrew him to an iron maiden.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 25, 2008, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 25, 2008, 12:27:04 PM
Well, The Roops dad; being The Roops dad; threw everybody a curve by heading to northern WI for Thanksgiving despite the fact that I will be in Beloit for the holiday. So.................... Do I cut the visit with Mom and Gramps short and head north to be my dad and uncle or do I grace the Mt. Monmouth campus with my presence as has been requested ?? Additionally, could anyone please tell me how to break a Siamese of a potato chip addiction ??

NRO Security will of course have to approve my visit, but with a few Cuesta Rey Centenario #5s I'm sure the site will be approved.

Yes scottie, The Roop will be there.





I will be on the lookout for a guy in a swashbuckler outfit with a pocket knife as big as all outdoors.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 25, 2008, 02:16:08 PM
Or just look for a guy in a Beloit hat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 25, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 24, 2008, 07:26:34 PM
Maverick- I dont know how good the memory is since I only graduated from Monmouth last year.

Scots4 - Better memory than what I got...and I didn't graduate all that long ago, just back in 2004...and I even grew up in Monmouth, still make frequent return trips to the hometown, and I still can't remember some of that stuff unless I really concentrate! :D

Quote from: scottie on November 25, 2008, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 25, 2008, 12:27:04 PM
Well, The Roops dad; being The Roops dad; threw everybody a curve by heading to northern WI for Thanksgiving despite the fact that I will be in Beloit for the holiday. So.................... Do I cut the visit with Mom and Gramps short and head north to be my dad and uncle or do I grace the Mt. Monmouth campus with my presence as has been requested ?? Additionally, could anyone please tell me how to break a Siamese of a potato chip addiction ??

NRO Security will of course have to approve my visit, but with a few Cuesta Rey Centenario #5s I'm sure the site will be approved.

Yes scottie, The Roop will be there.





I will be on the lookout for a guy in a swashbuckler outfit with a pocket knife as big as all outdoors.

Oh boy, the whole town of Monmouth best be on the lookout if The Roop is making an appearance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 25, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
Not so much on the "look out" but preparing the red carpet..................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 25, 2008, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 25, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
Not so much on the "look out" but preparing the red carpet..................

On the look out...rolling out the red carpet...I'm not seeing the difference here...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 25, 2008, 02:41:15 PM
Mav: Can you notify the businesses around the Square and Main Street to adjust their marquees accordingly.  Something like:

SECURITY SAVINGS BANK WELCOMES THE ROOP!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 25, 2008, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 25, 2008, 02:41:15 PM
Mav: Can you notify the businesses around the Square and Main Street to adjust their marquees accordingly.  Something like:

SECURITY SAVINGS BANK WELCOMES THE ROOP!

I'll get right on that.  Maybe talk to the city council and have a banner made up for Saturday to hang across Main Street?  How would that sound?  I think having the fast food joints put "The Roop...Welcome To Monmouth!" on their signs would be a nice touch as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 25, 2008, 03:06:20 PM
Or, commemorative THE ROOP chocolates from the Maple City Candy Company, perhaps?   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 25, 2008, 03:47:04 PM
What about a special drink from the Bijou or the Legion or one of many other fine establishments around Monmouth named in honor of The Roop? :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 25, 2008, 04:10:11 PM
I will head out to I39 and get a banner up over the interstate. Also see if we can get one of Illinois' finest to escort him so he doesn't get lost.
:P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 25, 2008, 05:00:53 PM
Something tells me that The Roop's hat size is swelling, post after post.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 25, 2008, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 24, 2008, 10:29:38 PM
Mason "The Line" Dixon agrees.

A "Rocky Balboa" reference?  Nice work.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 26, 2008, 08:55:16 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 25, 2008, 05:00:53 PM
Something tells me that The Roop's hat size is swelling, post after post.   :D

No, it's still 7 5/8 so you can keep going. Systemfan and Hoopsfan still have you beat with their stories of how I trained Muhamed Ali and can paralyze grizzly bears; as I recall in that one I also rescued a troop of girl scouts. So you have a ways to go yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 27, 2008, 01:00:57 PM
H A P P Y   T H A N K S G I V I N G ,   Y O U   T U R K E Y S ! ! !    ;D  ;D   ;D   G O   S C O T S ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 27, 2008, 04:08:42 PM
Due to having a long drive back on Saturday I'm Super8-ing it and should arrive in the Greater Monmouth Area around 2:00PM-3:00PM on Friday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 28, 2008, 04:15:06 PM
Does that mean you will be Bijou pubbing it around 8-9 p.m.?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 29, 2008, 12:21:32 PM
I am on the road today, but will be checking the message board on my phone. If someone watching the webcast wants to provide updates on the board, it would be much appreciated here :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:18:37 PM
d3 scoreboard shows

Monmouth up 7-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:30:07 PM
Monmouth 1st and goal at the 2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:31:22 PM
4 wide outs, pass play to Wyeth?

TD

14-0 Monmouth, about 3 minutes left in the 1st
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:37:17 PM
Wartburg ball, 2nd and 1, end of the 1st Q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:38:08 PM
Wartburg 1st down at the Monmouth 36
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:40:37 PM
4th and 1 at about the 27, Wartburg appears to be going for it, Monmouth TO
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:42:12 PM
1st down Wartburg at the 24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:44:26 PM
1-10:offsides Monmouth
1-5:Wartburg runs to the 4

2nd and goal at the 1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:46:20 PM
Wartburg up the middle for a TD,

Monmouth 14
Wartburg 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:51:27 PM
Monmouth mixing run and pass, down to the 35 of Wartburg.

Make that 1st down at the Wart 11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:53:48 PM
1-10: incomplete
2-10: 2 yds up the middle
3-8: illegal substitution on W
3-4 from the 5, pass complete

1 and goal at the 1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 01:55:43 PM
TOUCHDOWN, Pratt? with a 1 yard run..........XP  WIDE RIGHT

Mon 20
Wart 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 02:00:06 PM
big play by Wart on 3rd and 9 into Mon territory

1-10: inc
2-10: big run to the 1

1st and goal Wart
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 02:01:56 PM
2nd and goal, QB sneak, TD

Mon 20
Wart 14

3:26 to go in the 1st half

Mon returns KO to their own 40
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 02:07:55 PM
Monmouth 1st down at the Wart 9
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: speedybigboy on November 29, 2008, 02:10:40 PM
Monmouth scored, sorry I missed the play, and then went for two and got it

28-14, near the end of the 1st half

edit: end of the 1st half

FightinTitan, if you are out there on the road still the IIAC guys are doing in game updates on their board, I gotta switch over to the Willamette-UWW game soon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 29, 2008, 02:49:35 PM
Looks like the Scots have an upset in the making here!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 29, 2008, 03:07:38 PM
Start of the 4th Quarter

Monmouth 28
Wartburg 21

Both defenses have taken control of the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Newshound on November 29, 2008, 03:11:15 PM
Monmouth 28,
Wartburg 24, 13 1/2 minutes left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 29, 2008, 03:29:05 PM
Big 4th down stop by the monmouth d on their own 30. 6 minutes left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 29, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
3rd and 6 for the scots inside the knights 20. wartburg is out of timeouts. 1:42 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 29, 2008, 03:50:57 PM
Wartburg gets a 22 yd TD pass with 7 seconds left. XP gets blocked. Knights win 30-28.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: siwash on November 29, 2008, 03:51:24 PM
wow
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 29, 2008, 03:56:29 PM
Absolutely horrific game/clock management by Monmouth. I'm too pissed to say anything intelligent right now. Bye
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Wartburg Fan on November 29, 2008, 03:58:04 PM
 Monmouth congrats on a great season. You guys have a great football team and the Knights got lucky to pull this one out. But I'm proud of the Evil Empire they never gave up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 29, 2008, 04:02:44 PM
congrats to Wartburg!!! sounds like it was a good game. Hopefully the 'Hawks can hold on, so everyone can make the trip out to WI next week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on November 29, 2008, 04:27:03 PM
Hell of a season SCOTS... dont hang your heads Congrats to wartburg they never gave up...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 29, 2008, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 29, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
3rd and 6 for the scots inside the knights 20. wartburg is out of timeouts. 1:42 left.

It was 3rd and 1 before the illegal procedure on a PASS play. Run it twice for crying out loud. I was there and still don't know if I believe what I saw.

Other than that it was a nice trip and I enjoyed meeting the Monmouth Faithful. On to basketball now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wc2viking on November 29, 2008, 07:46:13 PM
I watched the online video.  Good work on that, Monmouth.  The camera shots were generally good and the video feed was solid.  I like having multiple camera angles although I would refrain from the constant camera switching during the actual play.  The announcers (students I assume) were professional and made an effort to be unbiased, including criticizing the Monmouth coaching staff's decision-making.

Speaking of making decisions, I really was surprised that MC did Wartburg a HUGE favor by throwing on that the third down late in the game.  Running the ball probably would have taken another 40 seconds off the clock and made it that much harder for Wartburg to get the winning score.  Although it was hard to tell what defense Monmouth was in for the final drive, it seemed like Wartburg easily found receivers open downfield.

Still, Wartburg stepped up and won the game.  Kudos to them.  Congrats to the Scots for a great season - the really tough loss shouldn't take that away from them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 30, 2008, 09:38:09 AM
I'm not gonna sit here and blame the game on coaches or play calling or anything like that.  I just wanna say that it was a hell of a season for the Monmouth Fighting Scots.  I really hope people around the country give us a little more respect now. 

It's been a pleasure to work and be some part of this team.  Seniors you will be missed especially #92 Wes Levy.  You put your heart and soul into this program and I'm very sorry to see your season end like this.  Same with the rest of your seniors. 

But don't hang your heads by anymeans.  You made history at this school and know that you were one of the best 16 teams in the nation this year and know that you belong in that elite eight!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 30, 2008, 12:43:10 PM
First off, I have all the respect in the world for Coach Bell and his staff for what he has done to the Monmouth program. However, that play call in the waning minutes was inexcusable. I am a semi-knowledgable football fan without a down of experience to my name and I know that no matter what, you do not throw the football there. If you handoff and run the wrong direction for 10 yards and fall down it is more productive than risking an incompletion. The players were put in terrible spots and the coach made a terrible decision. In turn, the game was handed over like a nice 3-button coat at the Salvation Army. In my years of playing basketball I have never felt as sick to my stomach as I did after that football game yesterday. I saw some of the football players later that night and no idea what to say to them and I couldnt even look at some of them. What do you say to a player that did everything right and then had the game ripped out from under them. You run the football on 3rd and ANYTHING there, let the play clock run down to 1, call a timeout and then do as you feel necessary. Monmouth is not known for their running game, Alex Tanney is their best player, but to not call a run there is a slap in the face to Caleb Pratt and the Monmouth offensive line. That is a common sense call, plain and simple. I am a big fan of Coach Bell and the rest of the Monmouth coaches so I have tried to justify it, but I just cant do it. There is just absolutely no excuse for the atrocious play calling and game management at the end of that game.

Second, how do you not call a timeout before that delay of game penalty? We have three timeouts left.



Now on to the game:

Congrats Wartburg on a very fun game to watch for about 58 minutes. Those were two really good teams going at it on the field. Wartburg tried to establish the pass early and just could not do it against that Monmouth D. Instead, they decided to run the ball and did it very effectively. They maintained a few long drives and put some points on the board. That running back was a ton and I hope his ankle heals up for next weekends game at Whitewater. Kudos to the Wartburg coaching staff for making adjustments at halftime and sending the house on Alex Tanney. He had very little time to throw the ball in the second half and when he did get it off it was a short crossing pattern for minimal games. He had no time to throw the ball down the field and so the safeties could play up. That was a great adjustment.

The Monmouth defense was put in some horrible positions in the second half and came through. That last drive by Wartburg was a great drive and they did everything right. The Monmouth D (at least it seemed) was on the field the WHOLE second half and just couldnt maintain a level of energy. I am tired of seeing the prevent defense as well. Too many times in the NFL, college, and high school I see it just get shredded and it prevents a team from winning. You can not give Yordi that much time to pick apart a defense because he will.

After watching it about 37 times, absolutely horrific call on the Alex Tanney "fumble.". Clearly his arm was moving forward. There is an empty hand rule ref and that was obvious. The Wartburg coach got on the officials in the first half and it seemed that every borderline call went that way the rest of the game. That being said, it had no effect on the outcome of the game so I dont really care about it.



Most of the Wartburg people I met were very nice people and I enjoyed being around them. However, I happened to run into the "few bad apples" that every crowd has. They certainly make the cut for being some of the most arrogant people I have ever met.


Good luck to Wartburg next week when they visit the defending national champions. The Monmouth players played their hearts out and know they had that game wrapped up. Run once and then we come out in the victory formation and battles ova. I am just upset because that Monmouth team was really fun to watch on both sides of the ball. Get this boring basketball stuff out of the way so I can watch again next season.

Walston- Sorry I didnt run into you before or after the game. I was too busy trying to duck and dodge the fascist Monmouth security guards so I could enjoy a Keystone Light. Hope everyone was safe and everything went well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 30, 2008, 01:51:54 PM
That was a mouthful, Scots4, and I've heard many of those points echoed from others. 

My "turning point" was the botched snap on the first drive of the second half.  The Monmouth offense could not be stopped in the first half, and I think had they continued their momentum right ouf the gate in the second half, they go up 35-14 and I think the game becomes out of reach.  Again, the end of the game is now well-documented.  Wartburg made a helluva catch at the end of the game and I'm still coming down from my shock.

That said, I think the program will learn from this experience and they bring a lot of weapons back next year.   

The Roop: Very nice to meet you.  Thanks for making the trip and for defacing a perfectly good Beloit sweatshirt.   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 30, 2008, 02:05:13 PM
Masking tape comes off scottie............. Now that it's basketball season I hate Monmouth now. LMAO.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 30, 2008, 06:22:28 PM
Not alot to add onto what's all been said already from here, other than congrats to the Fighting Scots on a great season and take what you've learned this year to make next year even better.  Remember what it takes to get to this point and continue to work hard for it in the off-season.  I can't wait for next fall to arrive and get the games rolling again.

scottie - I gotta agree with what you said, the botched snap early in the second half hurt and you could definitely feel a momentum shift after that.  Was good seeing you at the game this weekend...take care and maybe I'll see you over on the hoops board.

The Roop - Was nice to meet you yesterday and hope you enjoyed the visit to the Maple City.  Also, the masking tape "Mt. Monmouth" sweatshirt was great!

coocoo - Your comments and your presence on the MWC board...both are not necessary.  Take it on back to the IIAC board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
They do? Copy and paste where I wrote that.

At least my posts on there are relevant to football. You have not offered one bit of football insight whatsoever. You just want to stir up trouble, get a life.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on December 01, 2008, 10:59:26 AM
I wouldn't get too worked up over being called a loser by a guy who has a Kurt Cobain picture in 2008 ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
To everyone mad at the coach. You may not have to stay mad. I'm betting he gets several better job offers after this years performance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 01, 2008, 11:22:09 AM
Not sure who this lower case "roop" character is but he does sound like a jackass to The Roop.

As I begin the planning stages for my run in the 2012 election I would like to say that I promise a gas guzzling SUV in every garage and a coocooforcoehawk in every pot.

All things considered, I am of the opinion that bad winners are worse than bad losers. Let's keep it D3. Pre-game trash talking is fine, to a point, but post game trash talking is Jr. High.

Maverick...... Of course the masking tape "Mt. Monmouth" shirt was great. The Roop thought of it.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 01, 2008, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on December 01, 2008, 09:39:02 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 30, 2008, 06:22:28 PM
coocoo - Your comments and your presence on the MWC board...both are not necessary.  Take it on back to the IIAC board.

same to roop, scottie, and scots4. They want to call people d-bags on our board. 

This is a direct result of that. 

So talk to your boys over here before you come at me Maverick!

I haven't posted on the IIAC board since several days before the Monmouth-Wartburg game...so I really haven't checked in much over there to see what's going on, who posted what, etc.  I'm more concerned with what I read on this board. 

Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
To everyone mad at the coach. You may not have to stay mad. I'm betting he gets several better job offers after this years performance.

You are probably right with your bet, flash.  Coach Bell is very good at what he does and his name has been rumored for other jobs in the past--and will probably be linked to other openings after this season.  Here's hoping he stays around MC and continues to build on what he's already got going! :)

Quote from: The Roop on December 01, 2008, 11:22:09 AM
Not sure who this lower case "roop" character is but he does sound like a jackass to The Roop.

As I begin the planning stages for my run in the 2012 election I would like to say that I promise a gas guzzling SUV in every garage and a coocooforcoehawk in every pot.

All things considered, I am of the opinion that bad winners are worse than bad losers. Let's keep it D3. Pre-game trash talking is fine, to a point, but post game trash talking is Jr. High.

Maverick...... Of course the masking tape "Mt. Monmouth" shirt was great. The Roop thought of it.  ;)


The Roop - You are right on all points! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
To everyone mad at the coach. You may not have to stay mad. I'm betting he gets several better job offers after this years performance.

I am surprised he has not moved to a more respectable conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 01, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
To everyone mad at the coach. You may not have to stay mad. I'm betting he gets several better job offers after this years performance.

I am surprised he has not moved to a more respectable conference.

Will you be going along as "last 1:42" coach? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 02:33:24 PM
I have fielded calls and am
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on December 01, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
To everyone mad at the coach. You may not have to stay mad. I'm betting he gets several better job offers after this years performance.

I am surprised he has not moved to a more respectable conference.

Will you be going along as "last 1:42" coach? ;D

Haha, after talking to quite a bit of Monmouth people over the last couple of days about what I would have done I think they want to keep me around here for a while. However, I am keeping all options open. Al Davis might give me a shot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on December 01, 2008, 03:01:29 PM
One closing thought on the MC game before going to make my basketball Pick Em picks and shifting into hoops.

Although I agree in principal with many posters that the 3rd down pass call was wrong, it is worth mentioning that from the replay angle I saw, the receiver appeared to drop the pass and would have scored easily had he hauled it in. In that respect, you have to credit Bell for going for the jugular.

He could have easily run a fullback dive for Jason Davis ;) ??? :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on December 01, 2008, 03:03:19 PM
i dont know if this was true or not but i heard that the 3rd down play would have been a touchdown had the ball not been dropped? If I'm wrong im sorry but if this is true the coaches put them in a position to ice the game. Im not denying that the ball shoud have been run there, obviously thats a running situation especially if you are able to kick the fg and go up 7 the next play but If the ball was dropped by an open reciever I dont know if you can entirely put it on the coaches? Once again I didnt see the game, this is just what Im hearing from friends so I'm sorry if Im wrong
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 03:08:52 PM
I have heard from multiple sources that the ball was tipped by the defensive back right before it got to the Monmouth receiver. Knowing that receiver and his reliable hands I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I dont even kick a field goal there. Monmouth's kicker didnt have a great season and he is young. He had missed an extra point already that game and has had quite a few blocked this season. Against Aurora an extra point was blocked and taken down to about the Monmouth 5 before WR Nick Wright tracked him down for the tackle. I just didnt want to see that happen, I run on 3rd and 1. Depending on what happens there, then I decide if I run or pass on 4th. After that play the clock is either going to stop because of change of posession or we come out in the Victory formation twice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 07:10:24 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
To everyone mad at the coach. You may not have to stay mad. I'm betting he gets several better job offers after this years performance.

I am surprised he has not moved to a more respectable conference.

Nothing to do with conferences, just better paying. MWC has a bad rep from all the SNC teams losing in the playoffs. Their teams were very talented, they just got out coached in the playoffs. Mamouth was very close to going three games deep. Huge credit to the coaching, and the players.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 08:40:54 PM
In the 9 games that St. Norbert has played in the playoffs since they have been in the Midwest Conference they have been outscored by an average of 17 pts a game. Those teams are very talented but just got outcoached?!? ??? ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 01, 2008, 11:37:44 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 11:50:42 PM
That is just amazing that a coach can cost a team 17 pts per game. Then again, Marty Mornhinwig did coach in the NFL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2008, 11:53:01 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 11:50:42 PM
That is just amazing that a coach can cost a team 17 pts per game. Then again, Marty Mornhinwig did coach in the NFL.

Marty coached the Lions.  Did he also coach in the NFL? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
That was Millen at his finest.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on December 02, 2008, 10:23:35 AM
Quote from: Scots4 on December 01, 2008, 11:50:42 PM
That is just amazing that a coach can cost a team 17 pts per game. Then again, Marty Mornhinwig did coach in the NFL.

did somebody say ray rhodes?

ok well id like to send my congratulations to monmouth on a helluva season and hey, at least the MWC got one win and are one for one.. st. norberts win percentage... not so much  ;D j/k guys.. monmouth definitley had a favorable matchup and took advantage, they earned it with the regular season...

is it august yet?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on December 02, 2008, 01:08:47 PM
St. Norbert has had good teams, but always have to open up against one of the top teams from the nation's best conference.

As for the Monmouth game, the recevier did drop the ball, but that is one of the possibilities you have to take in consideration if you throw it there. Run the ball, then throw it on fourth down. Regardless, Bell put the Scots in that position and had called a good game up until then. Congrats. In my opinion, they still gave the conference some more respect nationally.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 02, 2008, 02:26:03 PM
It will be interesting to see where/if the Scots are ranked at the beginning of next season.  They are bringing back a lot of weapons, so we'll see if their success this year sticks in the memories of the voters next fall. 

Til then....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on December 02, 2008, 02:51:18 PM
They are going to have to outscore teams next year. Hopefully we have some players down on the farm ready to fill some HUGE shoes left on defense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on December 02, 2008, 03:39:41 PM
It was good to see the MWC get some respect this year, and I hope that continues. You guys have taken a lot of crap over the years, and you finally shut some people up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 03, 2008, 11:52:53 AM
TY coco. I think what this season illustrates is the fact that the MWC Champ is competitive on a national level. Sure the conference is top heavy but I think that most are in football. St. Norbert got banged up this season but Ripon was right there til the end. Again. So the MWC is not a 1 team conference anymore.

Two bids are still unlikely in the future, but not as unlikely as they were before.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on December 05, 2008, 03:12:41 PM
Sorry I haven't been around awhile. It was a heck of a year for the Scots. Made me proud to be a former player there. Sure I would have done things a bit different, but how times had they converted that same kind of situation all year. The seniors who are graduating will be missed, but there are alot of weapons still coming back. It just looked like in the second half they looked like a team that had not been there before in a couple key situations. The miscue of the shotgun snap I think was a key turning point as Monmouth was driving and then Wartburg got a short field and scored.

I think we did show our program in still on the up swing and hopefully some new defensive studs decide to head the Maple City way, as I think we will have no problem attracting skill players with this system. Great season guys!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dsquared on December 10, 2008, 05:29:16 PM
What does the Scots team look like next year?  Are we going to see a repeat performance, or are we going to see St. Norbert's back at the top after a season off?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 10, 2008, 08:07:13 PM
They should be loaded on offense and rebuilding on defense.

Congrats to the MWC all-region representatives.  The THREE Scots on the first team (one sophomore, two juniors) speak pretty well to their chances next season.  But, as one poster stated earlier, they might have to outscore a bunch of teams before Coach Braun's defensive unit is ready to be equally dominant.

St. Norbert and Ripon certainly won't be overlooked next year.  As defending MWC champ, most would agree that Monmouth is the team to beat.  But it won't be a cake walk.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on December 10, 2008, 09:21:04 PM
the all-region teams surprised me a little bit..  i could NOT believe winter had made first team.. kinda nice to see 2 out of 3 returners from the MWC and 3 off first teamers (even if they are scots..  ;)) Kraemer got on the list twice as defense and returner.. Beloit also gettin a guy on the list.. figured mahoney or whatever from grinnell would have made it.. wasnt he leading the nation in tackles for teh whole year?
either way nice for deserving guys to get recognized
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 11, 2008, 09:46:09 AM
Baratti is only a sophomore so he will anchor the linebacking corps for another two years. Unfortunately Beloit still needs numbers before they get mentioned as a contender in the MWC. O line and secondary appear to be their immediate needs. Probably in that order as graduation will be taking a toll on linemen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 12, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
I glanced at the All Conference selections. Been extremely busy with work and have not had much of a chance to get on this board. I think someone asked if Monmouth will repeat next year or will SNC reclaim the top spot. Of course SNC will reclaim it!   :) It was a tough season for SNC and now that it is over, I will say this. I have never seen a team hit with so many strange and game affecting injuries before. I personally feel that this made a big difference in the SNC Monmouth game. I know, I know, all teams have injuries, and yes, I am biased. I better be. But watching that game and seeing how critical plays both on offense and defense would have been handled differently, I really think the outcome would have been different. So the reason I am saying all this is, YES, SNC will be back on top next year. :)

And even though Monmouth had a great year this year, Remember this:
scottie says GO GREEN KNIGHTS!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 12, 2008, 10:17:15 AM
SNCOLDAD: It's been a few weeks now, but I don't think Monmouth fans want to read/hear/listen to the words "critical plays being handled differently," if you know what I mean.  At least, I'm pretty sure you don't want to get our buddy Scots4 going again.   >:( ;D

I know that there is some type of glitch in the MWC scheduling that makes Monmouth play at SNC about 8 out of 10 years  ;D, but I believe that ya'll will be coming to the friendly confines of Scot-land, correct?  Since I figure the Scots should be ranked in the top 10 by that time  ;D ;D, I'll probably make the cross-state trip for the MWC GOY.

M C   R E P E A T S   I N   2 0 0 9 ! ! !  :)  ;)  :D  ;D  >:(  :(  :o  8)  ???  ::)  :P  :-[  :-X  :-\  :-*  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 12, 2008, 10:28:59 AM
scottie, you know I had to finally say something. :) I was there last year and it was a brutally hot day. Looking forward to seeing the renovations next year, and also repeating what we did there last year. I have not been around long enough in the MWC to know anything about Monmouth playing 8 of 10 games at SNC.  :-\  Sounds kind of strange but I know there was a re-scheduling done a while back so I will have to research that one.  ???
It seems you are making sure that you use the most emoticons in a post. I won't even try to challenge that one.  ;D

But remember scottie, I am keeping an eye on you!

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 12, 2008, 11:49:13 AM
Since The Roop has already let the cat out of the bag on the basketball board regarding my senatorial aspirations, I am aware that my phones might now be tapped and my office bugged.  So if you want to pile on and keep an eye on me, I say "Enjoy the show!"   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2008, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: scottie on December 10, 2008, 08:07:13 PM
They should be loaded on offense and rebuilding on defense.

Congrats to the MWC all-region representatives.  The THREE Scots on the first team (one sophomore, two juniors) speak pretty well to their chances next season.  But, as one poster stated earlier, they might have to outscore a bunch of teams before Coach Braun's defensive unit is ready to be equally dominant.

St. Norbert and Ripon certainly won't be overlooked next year.  As defending MWC champ, most would agree that Monmouth is the team to beat.  But it won't be a cake walk.


I think you're pretty much dead-on with all 3 points.

Quote from: scottie on December 12, 2008, 10:17:15 AM
SNCOLDAD: It's been a few weeks now, but I don't think Monmouth fans want to read/hear/listen to the words "critical plays being handled differently," if you know what I mean.  At least, I'm pretty sure you don't want to get our buddy Scots4 going again.   >:( ;D

I know that there is some type of glitch in the MWC scheduling that makes Monmouth play at SNC about 8 out of 10 years  ;D, but I believe that ya'll will be coming to the friendly confines of Scot-land, correct?  Since I figure the Scots should be ranked in the top 10 by that time  ;D ;D, I'll probably make the cross-state trip for the MWC GOY.

M C   R E P E A T S   I N   2 0 0 9 ! ! !  :)  ;)  :D  ;D  >:(  :(  :o  8)  ???  ::)  :P  :-[  :-X  :-\  :-*  :'(

scottie - Now I may catch some crap from SNCOLDAD, but I just can't resist...you do remember that with the way the standings shook out this season, what game turned out to be the MWC Game of the Year?  Monmouth over Ripon  ;)  I'll leave it at just one smiley and you win for using the most!

SNCOLDAD - Good to see you back around the boards...even if you do bring that glowing green along with you. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 12, 2008, 04:12:54 PM
Technically, I'd say there were three GOY's which grew more important as the season was drawing to an end and playoff implications were still at stake:

MC vs. SNC - Thought to be the MWC superbowl of the season.

MC vs. RC - The surprising Red Hawks were in position to stun the MWC.

RC vs. SNC - Both teams desparately trying to stay in the race and avoid mathematical elimination. 

SNCOLDAD really won't like this, but here is a reminder of the results:

MC 2-0
RC 1-1
SNC 0-2

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 12, 2008, 06:36:03 PM
Technically yeah, you're right on that scottie...I just had to throw that in there for some fun with SNCOLDAD.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 12, 2008, 09:30:14 PM
/Yeah Yeah Yeah!!!
Not tonight guys. :)
Too tired to point out the inevitably for next year.  ;D   ;)   :D 

He just got home and have to go beat the Crap out of him for getting injured.  ;)

Like that is going to happen and I could even say anything but "DON"T HURT ME"

Now I know how much you love the GREEN!!! 8)

Are there any teams left in the playoffs that are truly a surprise??  If so, I am cheering for them.  ::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2008, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 12, 2008, 09:30:14 PM
/Yeah Yeah Yeah!!!
Not tonight guys. :)
Too tired to point out the inevitably for next year.  ;D   ;)   :D 

He just got home and have to go beat the Crap out of him for getting injured.  ;)

Like that is going to happen and I could even say anything but "DON"T HURT ME"

Now I know how much you love the GREEN!!! 8)

Are there any teams left in the playoffs that are truly a surprise??  If so, I am cheering for them.  ::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

I don't know if it is as bad on other computer screens, but I find this nearly impossible to read.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 12, 2008, 11:40:55 PM
I'm not sure that was SNCOLDAD.   ???  Either Junior is home for the holidays and is having a little fun with the old man's account, or it was $1 you-call-its for happy hour.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 13, 2008, 09:47:19 AM
I don't think Jr. would have been home for break yet. Therefore, I like scotties happy hour theory for now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 13, 2008, 10:40:20 AM
WOW! I just read the post on my son's laptop. You are right Mr. Y. It is real rough on the eyes on this screen. I will be careful when I do that much green again.  8)

Yes, he got home safely last night. 1st Semester is over.

I think the green got to my mind on that post. One wave shy of a ship wreck.

No matter. SNC will be on top again where they belong in '09.

So what is the big game today?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: the champ is here to stay on December 13, 2008, 11:13:11 PM
Anyone out there in MWC land know what happen to the offensive line coach at Carroll College? He just took the job and has already left after one year?
I went to WW with him, and info would be awesomely appreciated.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 16, 2008, 01:27:31 PM
Just a theory but maybe he got a better job offer.......................

So any predictions on the D2AA Championship Game this weekend ??

In the "real" D3 Championship. The "Rooputer" says Wheaton topped Mary Hardin-Baylor 16-7. It was an 8-7 game late in the 4th but Wheaton returned a pick in the final minute and made a two point conversion for the final score. MHB turned it over on downs at the Wheaton 3 with 7 seconds left after a 94 yard KO return. Great goal line stand by the Thunder.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 16, 2008, 01:49:31 PM
D2AA????   Both of them would wipe out most D2 teams out there. Let's see. Northern Michigan against either one of them. :) Not sure how strong Mt. Union is this year. I assume their normal. I do not think WW is as strong as they were last year. I will go Mt. Union 28-17.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 16, 2008, 03:06:53 PM
This post is for  the champ is here to stay, Matt Buenning was not asked back as the offensive line coach at Carroll from my understanding because of differences among administration, players, and the overall goals of the Head Coach. Even though the offensive line at Carroll was among the best in conference and did give up the least sacks, there are some goals the coach needs to meet to be able to mantain his job. Four new jobs in four years does not look good for any coach in college football!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 17, 2008, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 16, 2008, 01:49:31 PM
D2AA????   Both of them would wipe out most D2 teams out there. Let's see. Northern Michigan against either one of them. :) Not sure how strong Mt. Union is this year. I assume their normal. I do not think WW is as strong as they were last year. I will go Mt. Union 28-17.

The Roop: You are on to something.  The D3football home page said something about UWW going to the baseball world series last year.  Their football team is in the Stagg Bowl (again), and their basketball team is currently #6.  Hmm, equity?   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 17, 2008, 11:31:05 AM
But will Papa UW Madison ever let any of the other UW D3 schools switch to a scholarship program in football? Basketball and hockey is a different story, but football they may not allow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 17, 2008, 12:28:48 PM
The NCAA would shoot that down SNCOLDAD, not Papa-UW Madison. They (NCAA) put an end to "multi-divisional" schools a few years ago. Certain Hockey and LaCrosse programs were grandfathered etc. BUT NO MORE was the tone to that announcement.

I guess my point is this.............. Restrict Mt. Union and UW-Whitewater to the same facilities that most teams have and I doubt either team would have made it to Salem in the last 8 years. It's only because of a "special donation" that Beloit even has a full time assistant on their coaching staff. Yet the coaching staffs in Salem will go about 20 deep.

I can see a rematch. When it gets to 3 straight I'm suspicious. When it gets to four in a row it's not D3 anymore. Period.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 17, 2008, 12:38:24 PM
Having spent a brief time of my life at a DII institution, my suspicion is that most differences are negligible - at least as far as the UW___ schools are concerned. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 17, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Not sure what makes a school a D2 vs. a D3 outside of by their choice to have facilities. But it really is interesting to see a Beloit, Monmouth, Lake Forest, SNC, Augustana, Elmhurst, on and on and on be classified in the same division as a UW school or Mt. Union or a number of other LARGE D3 schools. For a school to have a football program as competitive as SNC or Monmouth in a conference that does not allow spring football says a lot to the dedication of the students and the small coaching staff that is not volunteer. Not to mention the rest of the support staff that is volunteer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 17, 2008, 01:09:25 PM
Spring football in the MWC would only mean slippery fields and potential injuries as we don't have Domed Stadiums as the IIAC does. Call me crazy but I've never seen the point to spring football anyway. It usually only showcases the guys that would be on next years team if they didn't flunk out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 17, 2008, 04:11:26 PM
Mount Union's enrollment is 2300.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 17, 2008, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: scottie on December 17, 2008, 12:38:24 PM
Having spent a brief time of my life at a DII institution, my suspicion is that most differences are negligible - at least as far as the UW___ schools are concerned. 

Flash: I'm not talking about Mt. Union.

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 17, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Not sure what makes a school a D2 vs. a D3 outside of by their choice to have facilities.

DII schools offer athletic scholarships, just not as many as DI.  Many of them also have enrollments and regional locations similar to the UW schools. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 17, 2008, 04:48:32 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 17, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Not sure what makes a school a D2 vs. a D3 outside of by their choice to have facilities. But it really is interesting to see a Beloit, Monmouth, Lake Forest, SNC, Augustana, Elmhurst, on and on and on be classified in the same division as a UW school or Mt. Union or a number of other LARGE D3 schools. For a school to have a football program as competitive as SNC or Monmouth in a conference that does not allow spring football says a lot to the dedication of the students and the small coaching staff that is not volunteer. Not to mention the rest of the support staff that is volunteer.

Was responding to this post about LARGE D3 schools.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 17, 2008, 09:59:06 PM
Everyone. Yes I understand. Some D3 schools have enrollments equivelent to the average. I am surprised by the 2300 at Mt Union. Thank you for the info. I also realize the D2 schools have scholarships. Set amount for D2 and D1. The more I see things in this, and I ol=nly have a couple years left, God willing. The more I see the more I think D1 schools should just pay them for playing. Uh Oh. That probably opened a HUGE can of worms. But they really are and then there are pretend guidelines and restrictions.

I know. Go for it. I am ready. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2008, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: The Roop on December 17, 2008, 12:28:48 PM
Restrict Mt. Union and UW-Whitewater to the same facilities that most teams have and I doubt either team would have made it to Salem in the last 8 years.

Mount Union's stadium is cool but nothing outlandish. I would say 10% of the stadiums in D-III are as good or better. Larry Kehres' coaching acumen has nothing to do with the facility.

Quote from: The Roop on December 17, 2008, 12:28:48 PM
I can see a rematch. When it gets to 3 straight I'm suspicious. When it gets to four in a row it's not D3 anymore. Period.

Not surprisingly, you make no sense here. How do you feel about Kenyon swimming, then?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 18, 2008, 08:56:51 AM
There is no doubt that Mt Union has built an incredible tradition in football. Hats off to them. I do hope that SNC can have a facility that will be in that top 10% within a couple years. We will see how it goes. SNC has built a pretty good tradition in football also the last few years. Especially if the size of the school is very close, I really take my hat off to Mt Union for what they have accomplished.

I will say this. Each year I am enjoying D3 more and more. The emphasis seems to be in the right place and the growth of the young men and women that play for D3 is outstanding.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on December 18, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
I think the main difference between UWW and Mt. Union is that Mt. Union isn't overly spectacular in any other sports aside from football, aside from the occasional success that many programs find. UWW finds itself in the top 25 over better for just about every sport and just about every sport's top 25 poll is generally littered with at least four UW schools. IMO, this points to the fact that large private public schools probably don't belong in Division III athletically.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 18, 2008, 04:53:25 PM
"large private schools probably don't belong in Division III athletically."???? ???

Is that what you meant to say? I will hold comment until I am sure what your statement is about. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on December 18, 2008, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 18, 2008, 04:53:25 PM
"large private schools probably don't belong in Division III athletically."???? ???

Is that what you meant to say? I will hold comment until I am sure what your statement is about. :)

It's a good thing you added that smiley, otherwise we might have to hold off comment on your comment & ask you the very same question...!!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 18, 2008, 09:20:29 PM
It really is tough, or actually an art, to type what you really mean when you cannot use your voice for emphasis where you intend. THanks for cutting me some slack. I really wonder if that is what he meant or not. Just sounded strange to me. I think I am missing something.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on December 19, 2008, 09:10:00 PM
My proposal is to create a D4 for any school who wants to whine about facilities, enrollment, and the success of other D3 schools. Instead of trying to get better and compete, they can move down to D4, play each other, and tell themselves it means something.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Warhawk 96 on December 19, 2008, 09:46:07 PM
How about you guys just stop playing football and then put all of that money into your forensics team? This argument is a moot one and utterly ridiculous just like the majority of things that are discussed in a debate match. It seems that upon recieving your degree everyone has an additional minor in skewing statistics.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on December 19, 2008, 11:15:09 PM
Sorry sncOLDdad, I have fixed my previous post, my apologies

QuoteHow about you guys just stop playing football and then put all of that money into your forensics team? This argument is a moot one and utterly ridiculous just like the majority of things that are discussed in a debate match. It seems that upon receiving your degree everyone has an additional minor in skewing statistics.

I'll stick with my argument that with lower tuition, lower academic standards and thousands of more accepted students per the Division III average, Whitewater and the likes would soon be dominating forensics as well, regardless of the resources the other schools put in  :)

I also believe there are advantages to being state funded and not as driven by tuition, but I realize that street can go both ways and in this economy, everyone (but Grinnell) is hurting.

I wouldn't say it is a moot point, considering a Division III split was up for conversation by the NCAA last year. I don't know all the reasons behind it, but have to imagine this was a part of it, whether on the table or in secret.

What statistics have been skewed?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on December 19, 2008, 11:30:19 PM
QuoteMy proposal is to create a D4 for any school who wants to whine about facilities, enrollment, and the success of other D3 schools. Instead of trying to get better and compete, they can move down to D4, play each other, and tell themselves it means something.

One could argue that Whitewater could play in a division with the other Division III schools that are in the same mold (large, public), beat those 10 to 20 schools and tell themselves it means something.

The principal of my argument isn't football specific, but using football as an example: if there were a Division III split and Mount Union and won a D4 that included MWC schools 100 years in a row you wouldn't hear a complaint from me. Looking at the total package, Mt. Union's blueprint is similar to that of the MWC schools (as well as IIAC, CCIW, MIAC, etc.). UWW's blueprint appears to be much more similar to a Division II or Division I-AA school.

BTW, Robert Frost didn't say that, at least not like that he didn't :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2008, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on December 19, 2008, 11:30:19 PM
QuoteMy proposal is to create a D4 for any school who wants to whine about facilities, enrollment, and the success of other D3 schools. Instead of trying to get better and compete, they can move down to D4, play each other, and tell themselves it means something.

One could argue that Whitewater could play in a division with the other Division III schools that are in the same mold (large, public), beat those 10 to 20 schools and tell themselves it means something.

The principal of my argument isn't football specific, but using football as an example: if there were a Division III split and Mount Union and won a D4 that included MWC schools 100 years in a row you wouldn't hear a complaint from me. Looking at the total package, Mt. Union's blueprint is similar to that of the MWC schools (as well as IIAC, CCIW, MIAC, etc.). UWW's blueprint appears to be much more similar to a Division II or Division I-AA school.

BTW, Robert Frost didn't say that, at least not like that he didn't :)


The East Region alone has 20 public schools.  In these economic times, public is NOT necessarily an advantage.

BTW, I'm a fan of one of the conferences you mentioned (CCIW).  We'd rather overcome MUC and UWW than simply avoid them.  Augustana won four straight titles in the 1980s (something even MUC has never managed) - we eventually caught them; we'll catch MUC and UWW (someday!).  If you're not willing to try, there's always intramurals. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Warhawk 96 on December 20, 2008, 12:02:57 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on December 19, 2008, 11:15:09 PM
Sorry sncOLDdad, I have fixed my previous post, my apologies

QuoteHow about you guys just stop playing football and then put all of that money into your forensics team? This argument is a moot one and utterly ridiculous just like the majority of things that are discussed in a debate match. It seems that upon receiving your degree everyone has an additional minor in skewing statistics.

I'll stick with my argument that with lower tuition, lower academic standards and thousands of more accepted students per the Division III average, Whitewater and the likes would soon be dominating forensics as well, regardless of the resources the other schools put in  :)

I also believe there are advantages to being state funded and not as driven by tuition, but I realize that street can go both ways and in this economy, everyone (but Grinnell) is hurting.

I wouldn't say it is a moot point, considering a Division III split was up for conversation by the NCAA last year. I don't know all the reasons behind it, but have to imagine this was a part of it, whether on the table or in secret.

What statistics have been skewed?



The remarks about the WIAC being represented with four of the top 25 spots in pretty much every sport is a statistic that has been manipulated to serve the point you are making. If large public non-scholarship schools should not be competing with the likes of smaller, "more academically gifted ::)" schools then why are these supposed athleticallty inferrior schools able to compete? Top 25 is nothing to call home about. Even you know that being in the top 25 for a spot that only one person gets is about as useful as a used staple. Even then it's only a ranking based on an arbitrary set of criteria.

All that matters are championships and for a long time they were few and far between in the WIAC. Now that we are starting to have a bit of success this argument surfaces it's head again. The reason I call it a moot one because even if you create another division there will still be a million excuses on why the winner won and a lot of fingerpointing instead of gutchecking. If you don't win in division 4 then what? Create a division 5? To me, the whining is a nuisance and if the smaller, more exclusive schools really cared about sports they would make a bigger committment to it instead of running to play pop warner teams to feel good about themselves. Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for the exclusivity of your college, but take the lumps associated with it. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Warhawk 96 on December 20, 2008, 12:03:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2008, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on December 19, 2008, 11:30:19 PM
QuoteMy proposal is to create a D4 for any school who wants to whine about facilities, enrollment, and the success of other D3 schools. Instead of trying to get better and compete, they can move down to D4, play each other, and tell themselves it means something.

One could argue that Whitewater could play in a division with the other Division III schools that are in the same mold (large, public), beat those 10 to 20 schools and tell themselves it means something.

The principal of my argument isn't football specific, but using football as an example: if there were a Division III split and Mount Union and won a D4 that included MWC schools 100 years in a row you wouldn't hear a complaint from me. Looking at the total package, Mt. Union's blueprint is similar to that of the MWC schools (as well as IIAC, CCIW, MIAC, etc.). UWW's blueprint appears to be much more similar to a Division II or Division I-AA school.

BTW, Robert Frost didn't say that, at least not like that he didn't :)


The East Region alone has 20 public schools.  In these economic times, public is NOT necessarily an advantage.

BTW, I'm a fan of one of the conferences you mentioned (CCIW).  We'd rather overcome MUC and UWW than simply avoid them.  Augustana won four straight titles in the 1980s (something even MUC has never managed) - we eventually caught them; we'll catch MUC and UWW (someday!).  If you're not willing to try, there's always intramurals. ;)

I applaud your spirit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on December 20, 2008, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: Warhawk 96 on December 20, 2008, 12:02:57 AM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on December 19, 2008, 11:15:09 PM
Sorry sncOLDdad, I have fixed my previous post, my apologies

QuoteHow about you guys just stop playing football and then put all of that money into your forensics team? This argument is a moot one and utterly ridiculous just like the majority of things that are discussed in a debate match. It seems that upon receiving your degree everyone has an additional minor in skewing statistics.

I'll stick with my argument that with lower tuition, lower academic standards and thousands of more accepted students per the Division III average, Whitewater and the likes would soon be dominating forensics as well, regardless of the resources the other schools put in  :)

I also believe there are advantages to being state funded and not as driven by tuition, but I realize that street can go both ways and in this economy, everyone (but Grinnell) is hurting.

I wouldn't say it is a moot point, considering a Division III split was up for conversation by the NCAA last year. I don't know all the reasons behind it, but have to imagine this was a part of it, whether on the table or in secret.

What statistics have been skewed?



The remarks about the WIAC being represented with four of the top 25 spots in pretty much every sport is a statistic that has been manipulated to serve the point you are making. If large public non-scholarship schools should not be competing with the likes of smaller, "more academically gifted ::)" schools then why are these supposed athleticallty inferrior schools able to compete? Top 25 is nothing to call home about. Even you know that being in the top 25 for a spot that only one person gets is about as useful as a used staple. Even then it's only a ranking based on an arbitrary set of criteria.

All that matters are championships and for a long time they were few and far between in the WIAC. Now that we are starting to have a bit of success this argument surfaces it's head again. The reason I call it a moot one because even if you create another division there will still be a million excuses on why the winner won and a lot of fingerpointing instead of gutchecking. If you don't win in division 4 then what? Create a division 5? To me, the whining is a nuisance and if the smaller, more exclusive schools really cared about sports they would make a bigger committment to it instead of running to play pop warner teams to feel good about themselves. Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for the exclusivity of your college, but take the lumps associated with it. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

That large, eastern, public school called Williams College (oh, wait they're not large or public  ;)), will have to go the same way as the WIAC and others like them because they year-in, year-out win the all sports trophy competitions.  How could they dominate sports every year in a landscape supposedly dominated only by the large publics?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 20, 2008, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2008, 12:38:10 AM
Not surprisingly, you make no sense here. How do you feel about Kenyon swimming, then?

Swimming doesn't have a board so I can't keep up with.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on December 20, 2008, 07:25:04 PM
QuoteThe East Region alone has 20 public schools.  In these economic times, public is NOT necessarily an advantage.

BTW, I'm a fan of one of the conferences you mentioned (CCIW).  We'd rather overcome MUC and UWW than simply avoid them.  Augustana won four straight titles in the 1980s (something even MUC has never managed) - we eventually caught them; we'll catch MUC and UWW (someday!).  If you're not willing to try, there's always intramurals.

Mr. Ypsi,

As I hinted at in my previous post, I agree completely and won't say that, in these times, there is any advantage to being a public university. I do have to take homage with the line I bolded above though. I respect your fandom, but unless you actually have a voice on behalf of the CCIW or a CCIW school (which you very well may have) in the event of a division III split or similar event, I don't think you can say you would rather overcome UWW. Coaches, ADs and presidents can posture and use as many clichés as they want (my personal favorite overused cliché is to be the best you have to beat the best), but I would bet that any CCIW coach would run to cast a vote that resulted in the WIACs departure from DIII.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2008, 08:14:57 PM
ft2006,

I can't say for football (and to a degree the CCIW teams do seem to avoid WIAC opponents), but definitely untrue in basketball.  We not only play them in quite a few non-con games, but for the last 3-4 seasons I think the CCIW has out-ranked them (usually 1 over 2, though last season probably 2 over 3, with the UAA out-ranking us both).

As to other sports, there is a lot of inter-league competition and (while I don't follow it closely) I sense no feelings of inferiority.  And remember that (aside from "grandfathered" exceptions like Johns Hopkins lacrosse) ALL athletic programs at a school have to be in the same NCAA division.  UWW and MUC may dominate in football, but (especially for MUC) their other sports are NOT dominant, even in d3.

I'm also a Titan (IWU division ;)), but have no connections to any CCIW athletic program (I'm a retired Eastern Michigan U prof).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:10:15 PM
fightintitan, thanks for clearing that up. I just saw your edit and now I understand. And, to be honest, I was hoping that is what you meant. This topic came up today at a family gathering that half were from Illinois and half were from Wisconsin. 2 of the couples presently have sons at SNC but the other either have a son in school local or children that did attend a Wisconsin school in the past, both D3 and even D1 Madison. It was brought up by one that they were not sure but thought it was Stevens Point that was looking at going D2, but found out they could not afford it. The deal being they would have to be D2 in all sports they support. They could not afford the number of scholarships that would bring to light. I am sure the major extra travel would not help the budget either.

DO I think there should be a D4? nope. The one that brought that up has not posted since so no comment on that. If I had a son that played basketball at Grinnell I probably would feel a lot different about size of school and going up against schools with 10 times the student population. But my son plays football. I have every right to feel the way I do about the UWW's of D3 football. Just as those opposing my opinion have every right to feel the way they do.   ;D Has UWW built a great school? As far as I know it is. I am not trying to change all of these things. But I do look at it a little different I guess. I am an optimist that believes the playing field should be equal as possible for all. It is not. But I am open to others opinions. For instance, shouldn't all D3 schools be allowed to have Spring football? My understanding this is up to the conference to set guidelines on this. I assume there are D3 rules for this but they do not set up what schools are or are not allowed Spring football. But I have also had my eyes opened that this is also a selling point for some programs. This allows the student athlete to study abroad in the spring semester knowing he is not missing practices.


My point is this. I do not like the substantial size differences in D3 schools. I do feel that overall this gives an unfair advantage in almost all team sports. But I am open to others opinions.


I do also have a question. How does Hockey fit into this whole thing? Can't a school be D3 in every other sport be D1 in Hockey?  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2008, 11:37:40 PM
SNCOLDAD,

There are a couple who have been "grandfathered", but no schools from here on can be different divisions for different sports.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:41:48 PM
So Mr. Y,
So is Northern Michigan and Michigan Tech grandfathered for Hockey?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2008, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:41:48 PM
So Mr. Y,
So is Northern Michigan and Michigan Tech grandfathered for Hockey?

I don't know specifically, but presumably.  (As are d3 schools like Colorado College.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 21, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:10:15 PM
I assume there are D3 rules for this but they do not set up what schools are or are not allowed Spring football. But I have also had my eyes opened that this is also a selling point for some programs. This allows the student athlete to study abroad in the spring semester knowing he is not missing practices.


An additional "selling point" of DIII schools is that athletes can consider participation in multiple sports.  A football player might be a natural in track & field for example.  Or, a football player might wish to participate in a winter sport - as does the MWC offensive POY.  In either case, spring football would hinder such an opportunity, or at least be very impractical.  Schools with larger enrollments may have the flexibility of allowing (or forcing) their student-athletes to specialize.  Smaller schools do not.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on December 21, 2008, 04:25:51 AM
Quote from: scottie on December 21, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:10:15 PM
I assume there are D3 rules for this but they do not set up what schools are or are not allowed Spring football. But I have also had my eyes opened that this is also a selling point for some programs. This allows the student athlete to study abroad in the spring semester knowing he is not missing practices.


An additional "selling point" of DIII schools is that athletes can consider participation in multiple sports.  A football player might be a natural in track & field for example.  Or, a football player might wish to participate in a winter sport - as does the MWC offensive POY.  In either case, spring football would hinder such an opportunity, or at least be very impractical.  Schools with larger enrollments may have the flexibility of allowing (or forcing) their student-athletes to specialize.  Smaller schools do not.   

Jeff Donovan, UWW's starting QB you saw today in the Stagg Bowl, is also the first basemen on the Warhawk baseball team that finished 3rd in the D3 World Series last spring.  He doesn't participate in spring football drills.  Maybe you saw this (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2008/12/16/1625/sticking-it-out-paid-off-for-donovan.html) the other day on the Road to Salem feature.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on December 21, 2008, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2008, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:41:48 PM
So Mr. Y,
So is Northern Michigan and Michigan Tech grandfathered for Hockey?

I don't know specifically, but presumably.  (As are d3 schools like Colorado College.)

Northern Michigan and Michigan Tech have been in D1 long enough to be grandfathered in but I think 9don't know this for sure) D2 schools are allowed to play D1 hockey because the NCAA doesn't sponsor a D2 championship.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 21, 2008, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: BoBo on December 21, 2008, 04:25:51 AM
Quote from: scottie on December 21, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:10:15 PM
I assume there are D3 rules for this but they do not set up what schools are or are not allowed Spring football. But I have also had my eyes opened that this is also a selling point for some programs. This allows the student athlete to study abroad in the spring semester knowing he is not missing practices.


An additional "selling point" of DIII schools is that athletes can consider participation in multiple sports.  A football player might be a natural in track & field for example.  Or, a football player might wish to participate in a winter sport - as does the MWC offensive POY.  In either case, spring football would hinder such an opportunity, or at least be very impractical.  Schools with larger enrollments may have the flexibility of allowing (or forcing) their student-athletes to specialize.  Smaller schools do not.   

Jeff Donovan, UWW's starting QB you saw today in the Stagg Bowl, is also the first basemen on the Warhawk baseball team that finished 3rd in the D3 World Series last spring.  He doesn't participate in spring football drills.  Maybe you saw this (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2008/12/16/1625/sticking-it-out-paid-off-for-donovan.html) the other day on the Road to Salem feature.

Yeah, I did see it.  The fact that it was a Road to Salem feature almost implies that it is unique.  Is Donovan the norm at UWW or the exception to the rule??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on December 21, 2008, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: scottie on December 21, 2008, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: BoBo on December 21, 2008, 04:25:51 AM
Quote from: scottie on December 21, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:10:15 PM
I assume there are D3 rules for this but they do not set up what schools are or are not allowed Spring football. But I have also had my eyes opened that this is also a selling point for some programs. This allows the student athlete to study abroad in the spring semester knowing he is not missing practices.


An additional "selling point" of DIII schools is that athletes can consider participation in multiple sports.  A football player might be a natural in track & field for example.  Or, a football player might wish to participate in a winter sport - as does the MWC offensive POY.  In either case, spring football would hinder such an opportunity, or at least be very impractical.  Schools with larger enrollments may have the flexibility of allowing (or forcing) their student-athletes to specialize.  Smaller schools do not.   

Jeff Donovan, UWW's starting QB you saw today in the Stagg Bowl, is also the first basemen on the Warhawk baseball team that finished 3rd in the D3 World Series last spring.  He doesn't participate in spring football drills.  Maybe you saw this (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2008/12/16/1625/sticking-it-out-paid-off-for-donovan.html) the other day on the Road to Salem feature.

Yeah, I did see it.  The fact that it was a Road to Salem feature almost implies that it is unique.  Is Donovan the norm at UWW or the exception to the rule??

I don't know, I know Derek Stanley was also on the track team when he was at Whitewater.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on December 21, 2008, 09:34:56 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 21, 2008, 01:01:11 PM
Spring football is overrated. Just run around in shorts and learn some formations and stuff like that. The only ones who might get any good from it would be in coming freshmen, and they aren't there.

There are quite a few two sport athletes in the WIAC. It certainly isn't discouraged. I know from my sons contemplating it, it was more about losing the study time than anything else.

As for enrollement and d3 sports, I just don't see an advantage. I'm sure WIAC coaches would love to have a football roster the size of SNC's. They are limited by conference rule to 100 maximum. The enrollement could be fifty thousand, and they still could only have 100 players.

How does the WIAC handle this?  Do they cut kids during camp and invite them to try out again next year?  Do they have a practice squad were kids who do not make the 100 man roster serve as scout team players?  Obviously this does not effect how good the teams in the WIAC are, but how do they sell this to kids who might fear getting cut?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on December 21, 2008, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on December 21, 2008, 09:34:56 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 21, 2008, 01:01:11 PM
Spring football is overrated. Just run around in shorts and learn some formations and stuff like that. The only ones who might get any good from it would be in coming freshmen, and they aren't there.

There are quite a few two sport athletes in the WIAC. It certainly isn't discouraged. I know from my sons contemplating it, it was more about losing the study time than anything else.

As for enrollement and d3 sports, I just don't see an advantage. I'm sure WIAC coaches would love to have a football roster the size of SNC's. They are limited by conference rule to 100 maximum. The enrollement could be fifty thousand, and they still could only have 100 players.

How does the WIAC handle this?  Do they cut kids during camp and invite them to try out again next year?  Do they have a practice squad were kids who do not make the 100 man roster serve as scout team players?  Obviously this does not effect how good the teams in the WIAC are, but how do they sell this to kids who might fear getting cut?

Klopenhiemer - if I may get a jump on this, the number of student-athletes permitted to participate (practice or competition) in football in the WIAC is limited to 100 - there are no special practice or scout team squads in addition to that 100 player roster.  Travel squad size is limited to a maximum of 60 players for conference and non-conference games. Any student-athlete appearing on the institution's eligibility list must count toward the travel limit. The host institution can dress an unlimited number of players, up to that 100 player limit.

I  have no knowledge how each school handles cuts, but they all obviously cut players during camp, providing they have more than 100 players in camp. Without looking at any guidelines, if a cut player get invited back in following year(s) to compete for a roster spot, might be the decision by the individual schools and not a uniform policy among all the schools. Someone could transfer to another school in order to get a shot to play, I suppose, anything's possible.  Having never been recruited to play football at a WIAC member institution, again, I would speculate that the coaching staff would have to be very selective who they'd like to bring in and compete for a roster position based on what they have returning - I think they have a harder job doing this than a school with an unlimited roster accepting just about any warm, breathing, up-right walking body who wants to play football. 

The fear of getting cut is an interesting situation.  Some might say that if you fear getting cut, maybe you ought to try something else.  Others might say, with a strong work ethic and a lot of sweat and tears, you might win yourself a roster spot. A Wisconsin trait is the latter...Barry Alverez was great at taking marginal D1 prospects as walk on's, especially from small high schools in Wisconsin and turning them into very good players, some even becoming All-Big Ten and All-American's.  I think a lot of kids in Wisconsin realize that it is possible to make yourself into a good football player if you're willing to grind it out.  I think every team needs more than just a few of them to go along with a few stars.  Makes being part of a special team all the better.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWWFan on December 22, 2008, 04:10:41 AM
Quote from: scottie on December 21, 2008, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: BoBo on December 21, 2008, 04:25:51 AM
Quote from: scottie on December 21, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 20, 2008, 11:10:15 PM
I assume there are D3 rules for this but they do not set up what schools are or are not allowed Spring football. But I have also had my eyes opened that this is also a selling point for some programs. This allows the student athlete to study abroad in the spring semester knowing he is not missing practices.


An additional "selling point" of DIII schools is that athletes can consider participation in multiple sports.  A football player might be a natural in track & field for example.  Or, a football player might wish to participate in a winter sport - as does the MWC offensive POY.  In either case, spring football would hinder such an opportunity, or at least be very impractical.  Schools with larger enrollments may have the flexibility of allowing (or forcing) their student-athletes to specialize.  Smaller schools do not.   

Jeff Donovan, UWW's starting QB you saw today in the Stagg Bowl, is also the first basemen on the Warhawk baseball team that finished 3rd in the D3 World Series last spring.  He doesn't participate in spring football drills.  Maybe you saw this (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2008/12/16/1625/sticking-it-out-paid-off-for-donovan.html) the other day on the Road to Salem feature.

Yeah, I did see it.  The fact that it was a Road to Salem feature almost implies that it is unique.  Is Donovan the norm at UWW or the exception to the rule??

I know there are (at least were, when I was a little closer to the team) a good number of student-athletes who participate in two sports. Mostly just track as the second sport, but some others as well. I also have a few friends who were recruited to UWW to do two sports (One FB and Basketball, another Football and Baseball). To be honest, I know Coach Vodenlich (baseball) does not particularily enjoy having two sport athletes (I'd prefer not to go into details, but I do know this), so in this case Donovan is the exception. I know Stanley, Alex Thompson, Lance Douglas all did Track and Field (I know I'm missing a few).

Scottie, I do agree with you though that having the ability to do two sports is certainly a selling point for alot of D3 schools as most D1's want kids to specialize because not everyone is a Bo Jackson. I also think it is a stronger selling point for schools like most of those in the MWC where they sometimes struggle to fill rosters in various sports. Whereas a WIAC school may not need that extra body on the track team. So to wrap it all up and make it maybe a little more clear, no, Donovan is not the exception, but yes, Scottie I do think that schools in the MWC can and have used the ability to do multiple sports to their advantage in recruiting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWWFan on December 22, 2008, 04:29:33 AM
Now, I'd like to chime in on something I read in the Daily Dose predictions for 09 that a couple of you made. I have a couple personal ties to the MWC and in the past couple of years have been able to see all the teams up close. Some, more than others and unfortunately Monmouth is one of those 'others'.

I think where the MWC is behind the WIAC is in overall speed and technique. Now, some say speed can't be taught, I believe you can make someone faster through training and some of the facilities and resources available to MWC schools are second to none, especially at Monmouth, those facilities are right up there near UWW. So it is possible that you can catch up on that part (more on inherant speed in a tick).

Technique is what may keep the MWC teams behind for a while. The reason is that you don't have spring ball. Yes the players are just out there in their 'underwear' (what my HS coach called it). But they get that time to practice their technique under the direction of their coach in an organized fashion. In terms of competing on the national level in FB I believe that is the biggest hit. However, I do think the ability for students to do multiple sports is important.

Now, the positive part :) I think if any team in the MWC could concievably catch up to the WIAC teams it is Monmouth. The reason is that their facilities (including academic) (If only I had known you had a climbing wall, you might have another alum ;)) are right up there with the WIAC schools. This helps draw in recruits, which is where the inherant speed comes from. Furthermore, you don't have to compete with the WIAC schools like most other MWC teams do, so I believe that gives you a step up on the others as well. Finally, the offense is designed to be a nicely balance spread offense (from what I can remember).

All that said, after UWW, I pull for the guys from the MWC because like I said, I have some ties there. I hope to see you and your schools grow and wouldn't mind seeing a Monmouth/UWW rivalry come out of it (with UWW getting most of the wins, but a healthy rivalry none the less).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 22, 2008, 09:13:04 AM
This is GREAT conversation going on. I am not sure if all is valid but there are a lot of good possible points being made by a lot of people. And most important in a very constructive way.  :D

Interesting comment on the "spread Offense". I think I know what you are referring to but is Monmouth the only MWC team that runs it? I think you said you have seen most of the MWC teams. I have to ask if you have seen the SNC offense much? Maybe it is not as spread as you would like to see but I think if you check the stats you would see that it is balanced. 3 or 4 receivers out on most plays, (this includes TE and RB) and running from a shotgun a substantial amount of plays, I think you could say this is well balanced and spread. Maybe not 4 wide outs and no RB is what you are referring to. If that is the case, that is fine.

I also recall some post in the way past that talked about UWW and the number on the roster vs. the number of players that actually work out with the team but are not listed. That post did not go into the detail on the rules as this recent post did. Very informative.

Thanks all and Happy Holidays.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWWFan on December 22, 2008, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 22, 2008, 09:13:04 AM
This is GREAT conversation going on. I am not sure if all is valid but there are a lot of good possible points being made by a lot of people. And most important in a very constructive way.  :D

Interesting comment on the "spread Offense". I think I know what you are referring to but is Monmouth the only MWC team that runs it? I think you said you have seen most of the MWC teams. I have to ask if you have seen the SNC offense much? Maybe it is not as spread as you would like to see but I think if you check the stats you would see that it is balanced. 3 or 4 receivers out on most plays, (this includes TE and RB) and running from a shotgun a substantial amount of plays, I think you could say this is well balanced and spread. Maybe not 4 wide outs and no RB is what you are referring to. If that is the case, that is fine.

I also recall some post in the way past that talked about UWW and the number on the roster vs. the number of players that actually work out with the team but are not listed. That post did not go into the detail on the rules as this recent post did. Very informative.

Thanks all and Happy Holidays.

SNCOLDAD,

I do know that St. Norbert runs a version of the spread. Most teams in the MWC run a version of the spread, in fact many of them are similar. I was writing on how I thought Monmouth could be the one to contend with the WIAC so I just tried to focus on them. In my (convoluted) mind I was thinking a balanced spread in this case as opposed to a spread that just throws the ball like a Hawai'i or wishbone or double wing offense. I have nothing against the other offenses it's just that, at the moment you aren't going to out speed or out power most of these WIAC teams, so you need to keep them on their toes. The reason I didn't include St. Norbert out is that I feel Monmouth has a better situation set up to do this. I am not saying the St. Norbert can't, it's just going to be tougher for them. I can expound if you want, but I don't like being negative. (anywhere to go to see pictures of how the new facilities will look?

As far as the roster number and participating number, they actually have only like 95 on their team because of a title IX incident in like '94. And, no, they don't dress extra for a scout team. Yeah, they have more for camp, but they get down to this number by the time the season rolls around. A couple things that you may be thinking of: Grey shirts. I don't know that this is an official term, but basically think of it as a redshirt, only the players aren't associated with the team during the season. They get a workout plan from the trainer and work on gaining weight/agility during this time period. Then, during offseason workouts and spring practices they rejoin the team (I don't believe there are roster limits for during spring). Also, during offseason workouts, there may be some more that work out with the team but not head out in the fall.

Hopefully this answered your questions. Sorry if I swung and missed on spelling, not my strong suit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on December 22, 2008, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: UWWFan on December 22, 2008, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 22, 2008, 09:13:04 AM
This is GREAT conversation going on. I am not sure if all is valid but there are a lot of good possible points being made by a lot of people. And most important in a very constructive way.  :D

Interesting comment on the "spread Offense". I think I know what you are referring to but is Monmouth the only MWC team that runs it? I think you said you have seen most of the MWC teams. I have to ask if you have seen the SNC offense much? Maybe it is not as spread as you would like to see but I think if you check the stats you would see that it is balanced. 3 or 4 receivers out on most plays, (this includes TE and RB) and running from a shotgun a substantial amount of plays, I think you could say this is well balanced and spread. Maybe not 4 wide outs and no RB is what you are referring to. If that is the case, that is fine.

I also recall some post in the way past that talked about UWW and the number on the roster vs. the number of players that actually work out with the team but are not listed. That post did not go into the detail on the rules as this recent post did. Very informative.

Thanks all and Happy Holidays.

SNCOLDAD,

I do know that St. Norbert runs a version of the spread. Most teams in the MWC run a version of the spread, in fact many of them are similar. I was writing on how I thought Monmouth could be the one to contend with the WIAC so I just tried to focus on them. In my (convoluted) mind I was thinking a balanced spread in this case as opposed to a spread that just throws the ball like a Hawai'i or wishbone or double wing offense. I have nothing against the other offenses it's just that, at the moment you aren't going to out speed or out power most of these WIAC teams, so you need to keep them on their toes. The reason I didn't include St. Norbert out is that I feel Monmouth has a better situation set up to do this. I am not saying the St. Norbert can't, it's just going to be tougher for them. I can expound if you want, but I don't like being negative. (anywhere to go to see pictures of how the new facilities will look?

As far as the roster number and participating number, they actually have only like 95 on their team because of a title IX incident in like '94. And, no, they don't dress extra for a scout team. Yeah, they have more for camp, but they get down to this number by the time the season rolls around. A couple things that you may be thinking of: Grey shirts. I don't know that this is an official term, but basically think of it as a redshirt, only the players aren't associated with the team during the season. They get a workout plan from the trainer and work on gaining weight/agility during this time period. Then, during offseason workouts and spring practices they rejoin the team (I don't believe there are roster limits for during spring). Also, during offseason workouts, there may be some more that work out with the team but not head out in the fall.

Hopefully this answered your questions. Sorry if I swung and missed on spelling, not my strong suit.

Unfortunateley this is all I have been able to find on the web for what the new facilities look like for St. Norbert.  Looking at the pictures it looks like they will have the top facilities in the Midwest Conference. However it's going to be at least two years until it is finished. (They have about 60% of it funded and won't start until they have 90%. It says in there it will take about 15 months to complete.)

A thing I noticed is that a lot of the schools have renovated their football fields in the past 5 years or so. Carroll, Monmouth, Knox, St. Norbert (if this gets done), Ripon, any others that I'm forgetting?
http://www.snc.edu/athletics/athleticscomplex.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 22, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
UWWFan, thanks for the info. I think gray shirt is probably what was being discussed. It sounds like it. No problem on the opinion that Monmouth has the best chance to compete comment. We all have our opinions. If my son went to Beloit, I would be singing their praises also, but I am also realistic. :) There is a rumor about the SNC facilities that since this latest gift of $4M was donated that there might be a surge to get to the 90% level sometime before spring. That would be great. What you see on the SNC website from the link provided by hickory is all I know. It will have locker rooms and sport turf. Those are the items I was interested in. Who knows, maybe we can get lucky and we will see ground breaking this summer.

Thanks for all the responses and information.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Warhawk 96 on December 22, 2008, 01:02:18 PM
I'm a five time national qualifier in track and field as well as a 40 game starter for UWW 03-06. It's not impossible to do two sports and maintain a respectable GPA, you just have to have an even higher level of committment to what you are doing. Most people don't get that you need to spend less time drinking and playing Halo and use more of your "free time" getting better as an athlete.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 22, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
Warhawk96: Does your computer screen have a mirror-like reflection, or do you just keep mirrors around your screen?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 22, 2008, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: UWWFan on December 22, 2008, 04:10:41 AM

Scottie, I do agree with you

Quote from: UWWFan on December 22, 2008, 04:29:33 AM
Some, more than others and unfortunately Monmouth is one of those 'others'.

some of the facilities and resources available to MWC schools are second to none, especially at Monmouth

Now, the positive part :) I think if any team in the MWC could concievably catch up to the WIAC teams it is Monmouth.

yes, Scottie I do

I like this guy.  Please pay us a visit over here anytime!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Warhawk 96 on December 22, 2008, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: scottie on December 22, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
Warhawk96: Does your computer screen have a mirror-like reflection, or do you just keep mirrors around your screen?

You don't need a mirror unless you're looking at face value Scottie. The truth is that it runs deeper than spring ball, admissions standards, redshirting, multiple sports, or any other lame excuse and you know it. You just can't or won't see past the facade. What's the matter? Ran out of excuses so now we start with the insults?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 22, 2008, 11:16:34 PM
WOw scottie! Man is proud of his accomplishments and good for him. Again, it is difficult to have things taken the way they are intended over a message board.

Everyone take a deep breath and remember the season.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 22, 2008, 11:19:04 PM
I hope he'll share how he made his first million.  As a 2006 graduate (presumably), I'm sure he's a real dynamo.   ;D ??? ::) :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Warhawk 96 on December 23, 2008, 12:44:49 AM
Quote from: scottie on December 22, 2008, 11:19:04 PM
I hope he'll share how he made his first million.  As a 2006 graduate (presumably), I'm sure he's a real dynamo.   ;D ??? ::) :D

If you knew me you wouldn't be so sarcastic but since you don't know me i'll let your condescending assumptions of me slide. All I said is what you think is impossible is possible, just like your first million.....It's funny to me because I thought we were talking about football and what it takes to build a good program. Nevermind, I'm done speaking on the subject. Go back to complaining and striving for a new division that won't materialize. We'll still be winning championships.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 23, 2008, 09:30:49 AM
I am going to jump in here one more time. (Hopefully only one more)  ;)

Scottie, I have to agree on this one. I feel you crossed the line on sarcasm. And believe me I am one that will use it a lot. Just ask my wife.  :-X  Although with your reply I really wonder if you meant it as sarcasm.  :-\

Warhawk 96, I appreciate your comments. At first I also thought they were a little on the bragging side. Then I realized that it was more pride towards a big accomplishment. I started thinking about how my son has changed certain attitudes towards things that use to not matter much. The overheard conversations concerning what he had to do for classes and things of that nature. Then in the next sentence it was on to the daily workout to make sure he stayed on top of that side of his life. A confidence that has grown in a lot of different ways.

Flash, I have to be honest but I had no idea that the MWC was viewed that way. I can see why with the tuition costs. That caught me off guard big time. But when your kid decides where they would like to go you want to try to make it possible. Hopefully this will continue to be possible.

96, if you can, I hope you continue posting around this board. I appreciate your thoughts and experiences. I also wonder where you have located yourself now geographically. Curiosity more than anything.

OK. I am done. Except for one more thing. Remember the Reason for the Season. ::)

Merry Christmas Everyone.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on December 23, 2008, 01:49:05 PM
Does anyone else read the posts in the order of most recent first and try and piece the story together that way?  I find it much more interesting.

Go BSU!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 23, 2008, 05:34:06 PM
I was wondering if any one here could answer a few questions for me. I am helping my nephew look for a college and was wondering what is the difference between The MWC and the CCIW. I have looked at some of the websites like Monmouth and IC who both seem to have nice new facilities. Any information on schools and level of play would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWWFan on December 24, 2008, 12:18:35 AM
Quote from: oldnuthin on December 23, 2008, 05:34:06 PM
I was wondering if any one here could answer a few questions for me. I am helping my nephew look for a college and was wondering what is the difference between The MWC and the CCIW. I have looked at some of the websites like Monmouth and IC who both seem to have nice new facilities. Any information on schools and level of play would be greatly appreciated

Oldnuthin...Great questions on a very important decision. Like I said a couple pages ago, I have some experience with the MWC. However, limited with the CCIW. Choosing a school depends on what your nephew wants. As far as facilities, those are pretty straight forward. Playing time? or System. To answer your question, I believe that the CCIW is going to have the higher level of play. I know teams like North Central, Carthage and Wheaton have won a few games in the playoffs in the past couple of years. In the MWC, as far as top teams you're gonna be looking at Monmouth, Ripon, Carrol and St. Norbert with a couple other teams that seem to be on the rise (Beloit comes to mind). Unforunately they haven't won many playoff games (Monmouth won the first for the conference this year in a number of years). I believe the conference has gotten better as far as being able to compete with confernces like the Iowa conference and the CCIW. Hopefully this helps. If you have anymore questions I'll be happy to do my best to answer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 24, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
Scottie's last thoughts for 2008:

WH96: I think if "you knew me," you'd appreciate my sarcasm and not take things too personally.  Let's bury the hatchet (see my last point).

Jflash: I think if you knew me, the spoiled brat concept would be blown as well.  Just loyal to the alma mater what it represents, including many first generation college students.

SNCOLDAD:  To my second father  ;), I hear the disappointment in your last post and will try to do better (see my last point).

Oldnuthin:  While this is a sports site, I would just suggest that you consider the academic fit just as thoroughly as the athletic opportunities. 

To the Scots out there:  Old Monmouth, hail to thee.

Last point:  So, yesterday I had some work-related travel which involved about 400 miles of driving roundtrip.  The roads were extremely slick; my first leg took me 4 hours during the day and the trip back took 5 hours in the middle of the night.   Suffice it to say that the company car was not very equipped to handle the roads.  On the way down, I passed several devastating crashes including at least one fatality.  On the way home, many more cars/trucks/semis lay in the ditch in various contorted directions.  As I hit the occasional, yet frequent, slick spots and my kung fu grip on the wheel grew increasingly tighter while the car decided if it wanted to comply, I began to think about the things that are important to me.

Since these conditions are not unusual for most of us in the midwest, I wish you all safe travels and encourage you to calculate your chances/risks wisely.  I did not do that.  Merry Christmas to all and a happy 2009!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 24, 2008, 03:20:47 PM
scottie, first of all I am glad you made it home alive and hopefully safe. It is those type of situations that make us more grateful and also make us think better the next time. I have read enough of your posts to realize that you were kidding around and having fun. I hope that 96 will give you the benefit of the doubt and read some of your other posts so that he can maybe see you meant no harm.

flash, not sure what I want to say, but I know that having the ability for my son to attend SNC is a blessing I do not take lightly. I would have to believe that other MWC schools also have scholarships that are NOT athletically related that can assist some families. I pray that my present job will allow for him to continue his studies and football at this fine institute.

I really did not know how good it truly is before he started there last year.

Oldnuthin, I went through that 2 years ago with my son. #1 Make sure he goes where he really can be involved. This is an absolute must. He has to be a part of the whole scene. Not just classes. Not just football practice. Make sure it is a school where he can set roots and has a reason to be there.

Merry Christmas all, and a Blessed Holiday Season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 26, 2008, 01:09:15 AM
Quote from: UWWFan on December 24, 2008, 12:18:35 AM
Quote from: oldnuthin on December 23, 2008, 05:34:06 PM
I was wondering if any one here could answer a few questions for me. I am helping my nephew look for a college and was wondering what is the difference between The MWC and the CCIW. I have looked at some of the websites like Monmouth and IC who both seem to have nice new facilities. Any information on schools and level of play would be greatly appreciated

Oldnuthin...Great questions on a very important decision. Like I said a couple pages ago, I have some experience with the MWC. However, limited with the CCIW. Choosing a school depends on what your nephew wants. As far as facilities, those are pretty straight forward. Playing time? or System. To answer your question, I believe that the CCIW is going to have the higher level of play. I know teams like North Central, Carthage and Wheaton have won a few games in the playoffs in the past couple of years. In the MWC, as far as top teams you're gonna be looking at Monmouth, Ripon, Carrol and St. Norbert with a couple other teams that seem to be on the rise (Beloit comes to mind). Unforunately they haven't won many playoff games (Monmouth won the first for the conference this year in a number of years). I believe the conference has gotten better as far as being able to compete with confernces like the Iowa conference and the CCIW. Hopefully this helps. If you have anymore questions I'll be happy to do my best to answer.


I guess i could have been more clear i my question; what are the differences  in the level of play on the field. i see where monmouth should have made it further but lost in the last minute to wartburg. I travel the midwest alot and saw many CCIW games this year ad the cream definetly made it to the top in the playoffs in my opinion. i also see that ripon, and SNC and Carroll seem like very strong teams but i dont get the feeling any of the other teams in this conference would be competitive against the CCIW other than North Park. I understand that the classroom is the number 1 thing for any incoming student, but shiny new facilities can be a big draw to  a young  man. I know he is talking with carroll and beloit, and a former CCIW assistant has started calling from IC. I guess after a long rambling  post i am looking for a feel just for the football at this point and what you think are good well coached programs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 26, 2008, 10:57:15 AM
Beloit has a 12-1 student/teacher ratio. Although if somebody losses their job the financial aid department doesn't care to re-work financial aid packages. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 26, 2008, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: The Roop on December 26, 2008, 10:57:15 AM
Beloit has a 12-1 student/teacher ratio. Although if somebody losses their job the financial aid department doesn't care to re-work financial aid packages. 




Thank you ?!?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 27, 2008, 09:59:21 AM
I cannot speak for any other school except SNC. My son was contacted by IC, Knox, Carroll, Lakeland, NMU are the ones I can remember. We visited SNC and it was 16 below zero the night we arrived. Take a look at the group of coaches they have. Only 2 are on the payroll I believe. The dedication of this entire group is very impressive. It would be great if the new facilities were complete, but the games are still played and I think it gives a home field advantage. Curious what position your son plays also. Has he decided on a major yet? I would doubt it but you never know. New library and new dorm under construction. Stadium coming soon. The only down side is the school colors are Green and Gold. But I will wear those colors proudly.......... on Saturdays. NOT ON SUNDAYS!   ;D  (nice Monday night football game guys)   ::)

Campus is great, but I am sure a lot of them are. And it is quite impressive when you are the only football team in Titletown USA that plays regularly on Saturdays.  8)

I fully expect that others will join in from other schools. Good luck and make sure YOU have the right expectations and you haven't set the bar too high. I can almost assure you that you will have your eyes opened the first day you take him to whatever school he decides to go to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 27, 2008, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 27, 2008, 09:59:21 AM
I cannot speak for any other school except SNC. My son was contacted by IC, Knox, Carroll, Lakeland, NMU are the ones I can remember. We visited SNC and it was 16 below zero the night we arrived. Take a look at the group of coaches they have. Only 2 are on the payroll I believe. The dedication of this entire group is very impressive. It would be great if the new facilities were complete, but the games are still played and I think it gives a home field advantage. Curious what position your son plays also. Has he decided on a major yet? I would doubt it but you never know. New library and new dorm under construction. Stadium coming soon. The only down side is the school colors are Green and Gold. But I will wear those colors proudly.......... on Saturdays. NOT ON SUNDAYS!   ;D  (nice Monday night football game guys)   ::)

Campus is great, but I am sure a lot of them are. And it is quite impressive when you are the only football team in Titletown USA that plays regularly on Saturdays.  8)

I fully expect that others will join in from other schools. Good luck and make sure YOU have the right expectations and you haven't set the bar too high. I can almost assure you that you will have your eyes opened the first day you take him to whatever school he decides to go to.



Thank you for the information, I did not know that most of these coaches were not full time. My expectations for my nephew are that he get a good education and play some football, I hope his are the same. He is a Dlineman and has not made up his mid as to a major, other than he is leaning toward criminal justice. Every one he has talked to from a college, and there are more than those previously posted, has told him that they need dline help, and if they dont have crim justice, they tell him that there are other majors that dovetail into this nicely. He has not heard from SNC at this time. He has a good friend who went to carthage last year and really hates it.  Says it is too football focused and not enough academic focus. His  read is that the coaches put on a recruit face and then were much different when he arrived. This is a big concern for my nephew. I guess we are looking for an easy answer as to who is a pud and who is not. probably the wrong forum for that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 27, 2008, 02:17:06 PM
oldnuthin, you will get that pretty much from any D3 coach to a certain extent. They all have a job to do and part of that is to get the best possible players without an athletic scholarship and without visiting the student. Tough job when you think about it. I will say that the one thing that SNC used quite a bit was the new facility. But donations slowed down and I heard they are being more cautious about that. With the large donation that was just made I would expect the new stadium to come up again in recruiting. On the defensive side you have a very strong coach. Both figuratively and literally.  ;)  Academic wise it is a VERY highly rated school which I did not know until my son attended there.

I will not say it is for everyone, either the school or the football program, but it has worked very well for my son.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 27, 2008, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 27, 2008, 02:17:06 PM
oldnuthin, you will get that pretty much from any D3 coach to a certain extent. They all have a job to do and part of that is to get the best possible players without an athletic scholarship and without visiting the student. Tough job when you think about it. I will say that the one thing that SNC used quite a bit was the new facility. But donations slowed down and I heard they are being more cautious about that. With the large donation that was just made I would expect the new stadium to come up again in recruiting. On the defensive side you have a very strong coach. Both figuratively and literally.  ;)  Academic wise it is a VERY highly rated school which I did not know until my son attended there.

I will not say it is for everyone, either the school or the football program, but it has worked very well for my son.


Thanks for your insite
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 27, 2008, 06:34:14 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 27, 2008, 04:07:50 PM
If your nephew is worried about it being too football focused, college football is probably not for him. All the d3 schools demand a huge commitment to the program. Managing free time to cover the academic end is key to being able to make it. If he doesn't want to work his ass off, don't go out for the team. The coaches don't baby kids like they do in high school.


I know it is difficult to properly discern meaning when reading a blog, but if you re-read my post those comments came from a friend who has a son  attending carthage. I will expand more to clarify my post. He wants to attend a college where the value of an education is balanced with a career in football. I know this is possible based on some of my own experience.  Based on your response and can only guess that you are a carthage fan or just an unhappy person or 
both. I cant even begin to figure where your last 2 sentences originated from, but to make those statements based on a couple of posts asking for help.... i will just get off your lawn

PS  i hope your name refers to your foot speed and not your occupation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 28, 2008, 11:37:39 AM
Last I heard this was a message board and not a blog. Learn the difference next time before posting.................

Sure we all hate St. Norberts ( ;)) here in the MWC but there's no need to make it so personal. Last I heard they were joinging the Big Ten anyway, so we at the D3 level won't have to worry about it. Their salary caps already exceded the D2 criteria so they have no choice.

Yes, I'm awaiting your response SNCOLDAD. LMAO in the mean time .............
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 28, 2008, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: The Roop on December 28, 2008, 11:37:39 AM
Last I heard this was a message board and not a blog. Learn the difference next time before posting.................

Sure we all hate St. Norberts ( ;)) here in the MWC but there's no need to make it so personal. Last I heard they were joinging the Big Ten anyway, so we at the D3 level won't have to worry about it. Their salary caps already exceded the D2 criteria so they have no choice.

Yes, I'm awaiting your response SNCOLDAD. LMAO in the mean time .............


My reponse was to a couple of postings by the janesvilleflash, not SNC. apparently he has the ability to remove his posts. SNC has been very helpful with my questions, and i appreciate his help, so i  can see where there might be some confusion on that. does not say much for the the character and conviction of the guy from janesville though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 28, 2008, 09:04:38 PM
oldnuthin, meet "The Roop". Overall a pretty good guy. Not sure what drugs he is on but some of them are pretty good.  ;) And I also appreciate the comments. It is a tough decision but I cannot emphasize enough that he must be active in something. Football is great, but anything. This gets the student involved and also for a freshman, they are on campus for around 2 weeks before the bulk of the student body arrives. This gives them a leg up already. I am sure most, if not all coaches keep track of each players academics and talk regularly to teachers. I know my son has to shake hands with either the head coach or the defensive coach each morning I think by 8:00 or something like that. Gets them up and awake for classes, workouts and also breakfast.  ;D 

I have no doubt that most D3 schools with athletic programs are run similar to a certain extent, but your nephew needs to feel comfortable but challenged. If he steps up to the challenge, you will know it and see a difference in a pretty short time. Summer camp in August is tough, brutal, tiring, and any other words you can think of. A lot of freshman break and can't keep up. But that is when you see the change. The ones that want the challenge keep going. Even the 2nd and 3rd year players have a tough go of it. But they know what is coming. Gives them an edge.

Have fun with it and enjoy the campus visits. Most D3 schools will love having a player visit and usually have special days for them so they can meet players and coaches while they visit the campus. Enough for tonight. I am sure the Roop will jump in also, but just ignore his SNC bashing. For some reason he thinks Beloit is pretty good.  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 28, 2008, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 28, 2008, 09:04:38 PM
oldnuthin, meet "The Roop". Overall a pretty good guy. Not sure what drugs he is on but some of them are pretty good.  ;) And I also appreciate the comments. It is a tough decision but I cannot emphasize enough that he must be active in something. Football is great, but anything. This gets the student involved and also for a freshman, they are on campus for around 2 weeks before the bulk of the student body arrives. This gives them a leg up already. I am sure most, if not all coaches keep track of each players academics and talk regularly to teachers. I know my son has to shake hands with either the head coach or the defensive coach each morning I think by 8:00 or something like that. Gets them up and awake for classes, workouts and also breakfast.  ;D 

I have no doubt that most D3 schools with athletic programs are run similar to a certain extent, but your nephew needs to feel comfortable but challenged. If he steps up to the challenge, you will know it and see a difference in a pretty short time. Summer camp in August is tough, brutal, tiring, and any other words you can think of. A lot of freshman break and can't keep up. But that is when you see the change. The ones that want the challenge keep going. Even the 2nd and 3rd year players have a tough go of it. But they know what is coming. Gives them an edge.

Have fun with it and enjoy the campus visits. Most D3 schools will love having a player visit and usually have special days for them so they can meet players and coaches while they visit the campus. Enough for tonight. I am sure the Roop will jump in also, but just ignore his SNC bashing. For some reason he thinks Beloit is pretty good.  :o


Insert Quote 
Quote from: janesvilleflash on Yesterday at 04:07:50 pm
If your nephew is worried about it being too football focused, college football is probably not for him. All the d3 schools demand a huge commitment to the program. Managing free time to cover the academic end is key to being able to make it. If he doesn't want to work his ass off, don't go out for the team. The coaches don't baby kids like they do in high school.



SNC my response was to this post.... that was removed along with  another reponse from this guy. Once again thank you for sharing your knowledge. ik have no problem with the ROOP, these postings had been removed, so it looked like i was bashing you. what kind of drugs does he have?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 29, 2008, 09:11:56 AM
on, I know that was what you referring to. And the "on drugs"was for the Roop. :)  I would be happy to share my experiences with you. I happen to live in Illinois but if you want to talk, let me know. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on January 02, 2009, 12:04:06 AM
Happy New year all.

Interesting article in the most recent issue of Inside Wisconsin Sports about the WIAC's scheduling troubles.  8 team conference, which leaves 3 open dates.  WIAC teams are finding it hard to fill a 10 game schedule because either regional teams don't want to play them or because D-III teams out west, D-II, and D-IAA teams don't want to agree to a 1 and 1 arrangment.

This topic has been mentioned and discussed before, but I see there are "new" posters to this page like SNCOLDAD, who I find interesting, that may have new knowledge/insight to offer.  I'm now five years removed from competing in the MWC so...

First, I will offer my thoughts from my experience as a Green Knight.  Don't hold it against me.

Why doesn't and should the MWC play WIAC schools as often as they can?  Norbert used to always play UW-O back in the day (Why did that change after Purtill's first year?)  I experienced one of the two UW-Whitewater beatdowns in '04, but what should have been a win against UW-LaCrosse in the playoffs that year proves that the MWC has the ability to play with the WIAC.  I love that Norbert has scheduled "tough" non-conference opponents since my interest in the Green Knights started, but after all the championships, plaques, catchy mottos year after year, if Norbert wants to be a top team, play the top teams.  No doubt the WIAC deserves mass props.  Then, because there are two sides to every story, I think "Maybe the WIAC has turned down MWC-WIAC matchups in the past because the MWC wasn't good enough competition?"  If that would be the case, then the crying that Leipold, Terry, Miech, and others did in the article is bogus.  Please notice the IF (not my intent to start a holy war of words over the www).

Maybe if enough people are interested in this topic, we can start an Internet petition to both conferences to give the masses what they want.  I say bring back the SNC/UW-O matchup!  Keep Ripon/UW-O going!  Monmouth, Knox, and Grinnell should conceivably be able to make a match-up with UW-Platteville affordable, eh?  Monmouth is the top dog.  Go after the top dog in Whitewater.

If any recent WIAC posters read this and think it would make interesting conversation between the two worlds, please pass this along.  I'm too scared to post on your page.

In the end, despite the lopsidedness of a MWC-WIAC matchup in favor of the WIAC, I want to see the MWC improve.  Big step made this year by Monmouth this year.  I'd like to see the whole "rich kid with a Rudy mentality" label to be lifted from our conference.

Plus, that's why they play the game.  Always rootin' for the underdog!

#8
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on January 02, 2009, 11:31:48 AM
Quote from: ahig on January 02, 2009, 12:04:06 AM
Then, because there are two sides to every story, I think "Maybe the WIAC has turned down MWC-WIAC matchups in the past because the MWC wasn't good enough competition?"  If that would be the case, then the crying that Leipold, Terry, Miech, and others did in the article is bogus.  Please notice the IF (not my intent to start a holy war of words over the www).

???
When was the last time a MWC school reached out with an offer to a WIAC school for football? Do you actually think it's possible?   :-\

I'm sure if a MWC school did approached a WIAC school, especially one of those you referred to by the coaches name, the WIAC would jump at the opportunity.  Problem is, I doubt any MWC AD or football coach has the WIAC on speed dial and most probably have caller ID to block in-coming calls originating from WIAC numbers!  ;)

Think Point would rather go to Florida (Webber International) or La Crosse to Cailfornia (Azusa Pacific) to play NAIA or a FCS (North Dakota) for games or Whitewater to Texas or Washington than play a game when they could schedule games in their own backyard, against a D3 following a short bus trip?  Even if it's against a lower tier D3 team from the MWC, as you appear to suggest? I would venture to guess not!!

Quote from: ahig on January 02, 2009, 12:04:06 AM
If any recent WIAC posters read this and think it would make interesting conversation between the two worlds, please pass this along.  I'm too scared to post on your page.

Unfortunately, IMO as a WIAC poster, I don't think it would make interesting conversation anymore because it's a topic that's in the Dead Horse Award HOF!!  ;)  But, give it a shot posting on the WIAC page...it is the offseason and conversation is a bit spotty...you don't have to be scared of the WIAC regulars, you have to watch out for the imposters who invade our pages for kicks...the same ones are going to read it here, so why worry? 

BTW, do you have a link to the article you mentioned in your post?  I'm curious to read the entire thing.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on January 02, 2009, 01:35:35 PM
Hey BoBo-

Yeah, not sure when the MWC reached out to the WIAC, if they do at all.  If that is indeed the case, then I would feel like scolding the MWC coaches.

Two positives in making those long trips:  The level of competition and the prestige that might be associated with playing those teams.  But yeah, I agree that they (WIAC teams) probably would jump at the opportunity to play closer to home.

I hear the "dead horse" opinion.  I hope this doesn't make me an even worse poster.  As I read that article. I just found myself saying "What the hell MWC, CCIW, and NAC!?!"  I mean, the 5 Wisconsin MWC teams have 1 open game to fill each year.  Carthage has 3 games to fill each year.  4 NAC teams have 3 games a piece to fill each year.  I just couldn't believe that was the case for the WIAC.

No official link to the article on-line.  Sorry.  I'll see what I can do about posting it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on January 03, 2009, 06:57:52 AM
Quote from: ahig on January 02, 2009, 01:35:35 PM
Hey BoBo-

Yeah, not sure when the MWC reached out to the WIAC, if they do at all.  If that is indeed the case, then I would feel like scolding the MWC coaches.

Two positives in making those long trips:  The level of competition and the prestige that might be associated with playing those teams.  But yeah, I agree that they (WIAC teams) probably would jump at the opportunity to play closer to home.

Not sure the MWC coaches need a scolding; they're probably scheduling NC games against teams they feel they can be competitive with.

Furthermore, not too sure if there is a prestige with meeting an NAIA, the likes of Webber International, Azusa Pacific, Ohio Dominican or a St. Xavier OR in UWW's case traveling cross country for a beatdown of a team like Puget Sound (60-7) last season.  They'd probably find a more competitive atmosphere somewhere local at a much better price. Long trips are nice if you can afford them, but how many D3's can continually afford them? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on January 03, 2009, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: ahig on January 02, 2009, 12:04:06 AM
Happy New year all.

Interesting article in the most recent issue of Inside Wisconsin Sports about the WIAC's scheduling troubles.  8 team conference, which leaves 3 open dates.  WIAC teams are finding it hard to fill a 10 game schedule because either regional teams don't want to play them or because D-III teams out west, D-II, and D-IAA teams don't want to agree to a 1 and 1 arrangment.

This topic has been mentioned and discussed before, but I see there are "new" posters to this page like SNCOLDAD, who I find interesting, that may have new knowledge/insight to offer.  I'm now five years removed from competing in the MWC so...

First, I will offer my thoughts from my experience as a Green Knight.  Don't hold it against me.

Why doesn't and should the MWC play WIAC schools as often as they can?  Norbert used to always play UW-O back in the day (Why did that change after Purtill's first year?)  I experienced one of the two UW-Whitewater beatdowns in '04, but what should have been a win against UW-LaCrosse in the playoffs that year proves that the MWC has the ability to play with the WIAC.  I love that Norbert has scheduled "tough" non-conference opponents since my interest in the Green Knights started, but after all the championships, plaques, catchy mottos year after year, if Norbert wants to be a top team, play the top teams.  No doubt the WIAC deserves mass props.  Then, because there are two sides to every story, I think "Maybe the WIAC has turned down MWC-WIAC matchups in the past because the MWC wasn't good enough competition?"  If that would be the case, then the crying that Leipold, Terry, Miech, and others did in the article is bogus.  Please notice the IF (not my intent to start a holy war of words over the www).

Maybe if enough people are interested in this topic, we can start an Internet petition to both conferences to give the masses what they want.  I say bring back the SNC/UW-O matchup!  Keep Ripon/UW-O going!  Monmouth, Knox, and Grinnell should conceivably be able to make a match-up with UW-Platteville affordable, eh?  Monmouth is the top dog.  Go after the top dog in Whitewater.

If any recent WIAC posters read this and think it would make interesting conversation between the two worlds, please pass this along.  I'm too scared to post on your page.
In the end, despite the lopsidedness of a MWC-WIAC matchup in favor of the WIAC, I want to see the MWC improve.  Big step made this year by Monmouth this year.  I'd like to see the whole "rich kid with a Rudy mentality" label to be lifted from our conference.

Plus, that's why they play the game.  Always rootin' for the underdog!

#8

I for one, welcome any football talk in January.  Most of us WIAC guys are reasonable and respectful so no need to be scared.  We have a few youngsters that can be full of themselves but are pretty harmless overall if you don't take them too seriously.  ;)

I give huge kudos to SNC for playing UWW in 04 and 05 and Lakeland, (NATHC,) signed up for a home/home series twice playing them 04 through 07.  I give both conferences props for hanging around the last few years.  It is the CCIW who refuse to answer the phone, especially the Chicago area schools who are within a 2 hour or less bus ride from UWW, that I don't get.  Augie has played UW-P but none seem to be willing to take on any WIAC programs above the mid line.  Considering that their conference is ranked #7 by D3football, I believe, the David/Goliath arguement doesn't hold much water for  me. 

As far as," to be the best, you must beat the best," philosophy, let me just share this info.  UWW scheduled MUC and St. Johns in 02 and 03 when Coach Brez and his staff wanted to see what an elite D3 team looked like up close and get a feel for what it would take to move the Warhawks into that company and the rest is history.  Not to say the a top tier MWC team will follow the same path if they challenge themselves with a WIAC opponent but it can have its benefits overall.  But I do understand the flipside of that arguement that starting the season with a beat down isn't always what a coach hopes for either. 

Finally, considering UWW and UWLC have been unable to fill out their 10 game schedule the last few years settling for 9 games and have even had to resort to scheduling D2/D1AA teams on occasion, I doubt they would ever ignore a phone call from the MWC.  ;D   Happy New Year to all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on January 03, 2009, 11:26:36 AM
Part of the problem with MWC schools scheduling WIAC schools is not only having only one non-conference game but there is only one week to play it in, Week 1 since I doubt any WIAC school would be willing to play a non-conference opponent on the final week. My idea is move the Midwest Conference season back a week. Start it week 3 and have it end the same week as everyone else. Then you would have two legitimate weeks to get a non-conference game in. I don't know why we don't do this unless there is some reasoing the Presidents have for not allowing this, I would love to hear it of they do.
Also if you move the schedule back a week you could allow conference schools, by mutual agreement of the teams, to move their conference game up to week 2 so they could have a bye to rest up somewhere in the middle of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on January 04, 2009, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on January 03, 2009, 11:26:36 AM
Part of the problem with MWC schools scheduling WIAC schools is not only having only one non-conference game but there is only one week to play it in, Week 1 since I doubt any WIAC school would be willing to play a non-conference opponent on the final week. My idea is move the Midwest Conference season back a week. Start it week 3 and have it end the same week as everyone else. Then you would have two legitimate weeks to get a non-conference game in. I don't know why we don't do this unless there is some reasoing the Presidents have for not allowing this, I would love to hear it of they do.
Also if you move the schedule back a week you could allow conference schools, by mutual agreement of the teams, to move their conference game up to week 2 so they could have a bye to rest up somewhere in the middle of the season.

I like this suggestion and it makes sense.

Either that or the IIAC could take in Grinnell who is not a football school but has very good overall athletics, and since they are the only team from the MWC that is in Iowa.  That would then give MWC teams another non-conference game and more of a chance to schedule legitimate opponents to get their rep up.  To be honest, the top 4 MWC teams or so (Monmouth, Ripon, SNC, and Carroll) already are pretty respectable, it's just that the lower half is so bad.  In the WIAC or CCIW you can't take a week off except North Park, and in the MWC you can against about half the teams

and if Grinnell left the MWC could then take over the name of CCIW since the current CCIW only has one school in Wisconsin and the MWC would then have 5 in Wisconsin and 4 in Illinois making them more fit of the name College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsinn
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on January 04, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on January 04, 2009, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on January 03, 2009, 11:26:36 AM
Part of the problem with MWC schools scheduling WIAC schools is not only having only one non-conference game but there is only one week to play it in, Week 1 since I doubt any WIAC school would be willing to play a non-conference opponent on the final week. My idea is move the Midwest Conference season back a week. Start it week 3 and have it end the same week as everyone else. Then you would have two legitimate weeks to get a non-conference game in. I don't know why we don't do this unless there is some reasoing the Presidents have for not allowing this, I would love to hear it of they do.
Also if you move the schedule back a week you could allow conference schools, by mutual agreement of the teams, to move their conference game up to week 2 so they could have a bye to rest up somewhere in the middle of the season.

I like this suggestion and it makes sense.

Either that or the IIAC could take in Grinnell who is not a football school but has very good overall athletics, and since they are the only team from the MWC that is in Iowa.  That would then give MWC teams another non-conference game and more of a chance to schedule legitimate opponents to get their rep up.  To be honest, the top 4 MWC teams or so (Monmouth, Ripon, SNC, and Carroll) already are pretty respectable, it's just that the lower half is so bad.  In the WIAC or CCIW you can't take a week off except North Park, and in the MWC you can against about half the teams

and if Grinnell left the MWC could then take over the name of CCIW since the current CCIW only has one school in Wisconsin and the MWC would then have 5 in Wisconsin and 4 in Illinois making them more fit of the name College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsinn

Don't you love the irony, the present CCIW should have an asterick after it at all times.

*  Only one Wisconsin team and refuse to play any!  *   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on January 04, 2009, 01:41:01 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on January 04, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on January 04, 2009, 12:28:52 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on January 03, 2009, 11:26:36 AM
Part of the problem with MWC schools scheduling WIAC schools is not only having only one non-conference game but there is only one week to play it in, Week 1 since I doubt any WIAC school would be willing to play a non-conference opponent on the final week. My idea is move the Midwest Conference season back a week. Start it week 3 and have it end the same week as everyone else. Then you would have two legitimate weeks to get a non-conference game in. I don't know why we don't do this unless there is some reasoing the Presidents have for not allowing this, I would love to hear it of they do.
Also if you move the schedule back a week you could allow conference schools, by mutual agreement of the teams, to move their conference game up to week 2 so they could have a bye to rest up somewhere in the middle of the season.

I like this suggestion and it makes sense.

Either that or the IIAC could take in Grinnell who is not a football school but has very good overall athletics, and since they are the only team from the MWC that is in Iowa.  That would then give MWC teams another non-conference game and more of a chance to schedule legitimate opponents to get their rep up.  To be honest, the top 4 MWC teams or so (Monmouth, Ripon, SNC, and Carroll) already are pretty respectable, it's just that the lower half is so bad.  In the WIAC or CCIW you can't take a week off except North Park, and in the MWC you can against about half the teams

and if Grinnell left the MWC could then take over the name of CCIW since the current CCIW only has one school in Wisconsin and the MWC would then have 5 in Wisconsin and 4 in Illinois making them more fit of the name College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsinn

Don't you love the irony, the present CCIW should have an asterick after it at all times.

*  Only one Wisconsin team and refuse to play any!  *   ;) ;D

A couple of years ago Carthage had T-Shirts that said "We put the W in CCIW."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWWFan on January 05, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/37100359.html

St. Norbert got another $1million donation towards the new athletic conference. Jsonline, here says that donation makes it a total of $7.4m raised. It seemed to me that they were farther along. Is that where they are? ??? I hope they get it soon cause De Pere is a great city, but no offense, that FB stadium kinda blows.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on January 06, 2009, 09:29:16 AM
I do not have the info at hand but they have been very forthright on what it will take to build and when they will start. It comes down to having a certain percentage in hand and a certain percentage committed in donations. They are getting very close.
There are rumors (maybe just wishful thinking by us parents) that they may be able to break ground this spring. If so that could mean the 2010 season might be possible. :)

But remember, this is a parent talking that realizes that is his sons last season and wishing does not make it so.

UWWFan, you don't like SNC's football facility? Come on! How many other D3 facilities have "Fly Overs" before, during and after the game???? ::)   Dropping gifts for the opposition!    :P

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWWFan on January 06, 2009, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on January 06, 2009, 09:29:16 AM
But remember, this is a parent talking that realizes that is his sons last season and wishing does not make it so.

UWWFan, you don't like SNC's football facility? Come on! How many other D3 facilities have "Fly Overs" before, during and after the game???? ::)   Dropping gifts for the opposition!    :P



Tousche, sir, tousche..... I know Oak Creek has those same flyovers before, during and after the games. Allways fun to coach there. But, you're right, as spacious as their 'locker rooms' are, I don't know what I'm complaining about. :P ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on January 06, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
You're all right and someone that understands my warped sense of sarcasm.  :D

I just might have to drive by and salute the next time I head for Delavan.  ;D

All the hunters take out their imaginary shotguns whenever there is a flyover. MMMmmmmmm. Meat!!!!


;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on January 07, 2009, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on January 06, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
You're all right and someone that understands my warped sense of sarcasm.  :D

I just might have to drive by and salute the next time I head for Delavan.  ;D

All the hunters take out their imaginary shotguns whenever there is a flyover. MMMmmmmmm. Meat!!!!


;)

Many years ago, the QB on my son's youth football team had a habit of licking his hands right before he took a snap under center.  We would always cringe watching him whenever we played against the opponent who had their field located right next to a pond where flocks of geese resided.   ;D   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on January 16, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
good feelings for Monmouth in 09 in the final ATN column

"Remember which team will play the role of Franklin in 2009
Gordon Mann figured it out: "Last year, Franklin had a heartbreaking loss to North Central in the first round of the playoffs, when the Cardinals scored in the closing seconds. Given the HCAC's lack of playoff success, I was surprised Franklin hung that close to North Central but the Grizzlies showed they were for real. Then-junior Chad Rupp threw for 400 yards.

Consider the parallels between 2007 Franklin and 2008 Monmouth. The Scots, champions of a conference without much playoff success, lost in the closing seconds to Wartburg. Their quarterback (Alex Tanney) had a big game in defeat with 313 yards and three touchdowns. He'll be back. And, if the parallel holds up, so will Monmouth."


Scots will probably be ranked in the preseason for the first time.....Tanney passed for 50 tds and 8 ints as a sophomore, so as a junior does he go for 60 and 4.....70-2 as a senior?

Scots return their entire offense next year so that might be his best chance for crazy numbers...his senior year he will lose some receivers and have an entirely new offensive line
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on January 19, 2009, 09:48:30 AM
Interesting. OCTOBER 10th is circled. And I feel a celebration coming on!  :)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on January 20, 2009, 11:16:00 PM
Hey Guys!....Lawrence is going to kick some POON this year.....you wait and see. Plus they have a great Library!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on January 21, 2009, 12:54:42 AM
Joking aside though.....I am curious to hear from other fans how many returning starters teams have coming back and the key returners

Monmouth
Offense - everyone back, all lineman back, all receivers from a deep group back, rb back, and most importantly alex tanney back
Defense - they lose all linebackers, and 3 out of 4 db's but the one returning is sean wells who is a key playmaker, and they lose one d-lineman that being wes levy but goranson and lefler both return i believe

please everyone report similar basic info on their respective teams
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on January 21, 2009, 09:22:49 AM
Interesting 787,
They are going to have a strong offense again it appears. I certainly hope they do not have the injury bug hit them as hard as it hit SNC last year. It was amazing how many and the types of injuries that hit.

As far as who is coming back and who is staying, I would say head for the SNC website for that info. 2 deep roster should give you an idea. But then again, that will not have the injured players listed that will be starting or were starting.

I an just a dad so I really cannot answer your question. I will leave it for others that are knowledgeable in the subject.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on January 21, 2009, 11:50:26 AM
Beloit should be set for backs and wide receivers. They graduated most of their O-line so that is an issue; as is the secondary and D-line. LBs should be good to go. QB, hmmmmmmmmmm. Matt Davis was the running quarterback, Joe Davis (not related) was the throwing quarterback. Joe had off season surgery so he wasn't an option at that position last year.

Then again a new "Roop-cruit" may be in the mix. Should Beloit land him he would be a 4 year starter and would put Tanney on the MWC HM team. They just need to lure him away from UW-Blank, where he would likely sit a couple years.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on February 05, 2009, 10:23:47 PM
a little late but actually Monmouth loses one offensive lineman.  It's not the end of the world but yet Matt Wardell's legacy should not be forgotten!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on February 12, 2009, 07:49:07 AM
It's February, no more football,  :'(

There are some buried post pages within Post Patterns with topics that I love to talk about, like "Where is the toughest place to play?"  So I ask you:

As far as the Midwest Conference is concerned:

Where is the toughest place to play?

Which school has the best facilities?

What makes your school's facilities unique?

Which mascot would win in a "Battle of the Mascots"?

I don't know, whatever.

On one of these boards, I argued that Lawrence had the best facility (not necessarily the toughest place to play, but it could be) in the MWC, but Carroll is up there too.  I graduated almost 5 years ago now, so maybe things have changed.

BTW,  the af2 is still playing ball this spring and summer.  Any MWCers in camps, signed contracts, etc.?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on February 16, 2009, 12:00:56 PM
I heard a rumor that Mr. Alex Tanney was transferring to NIU? Career wise if he's lookin to play football after college it might make sense but there's quite a bit of family history there so he might not what to leave. He could play there if he bulked up a lil bit, maybe quit pickin on those undersized db's of the MWC  ;) haha. I'm sure thats not going to happen but i know the rest of the conference wouldnt have any complaints about it
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on February 17, 2009, 07:29:28 PM
Some of the best facilities in the MWC I believe have to IC from my last visit their, Monmouth has a done a good job of upgrading many of their sports complexs, Carroll has made some major face lifts around their campus for sports, and to round out the tops in my opinion would have to be Grinnell, which I am not just going from football field, but overall for their athletic programs. As far as tough places to play for MWC football I'll go with Monmouth, Carroll, Lawrence, Norberts (just cuz its always a big game against anyone who plays them).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on March 05, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
To continue the discussion on facilities: This is from a parents point of view

So we look at seating for the game, Parking for tailgating before and halftime, Area to feed the guys after the game, concessions and facilities to make room for more tailgating. :)

I have completed 2 years now so I have visited every facility EXCEPT Ripon. (injury to son and he came home that weekend)

Tailgating facilities: I like the police at Lake Forrest but a tough place to find. Beloit's parking lot for visitors was great but the port a pottie was ........ Almost all were very nice from this point of view. I may be partial but I like SNC's the best. Grass area, facilities right there in the stadium and close walk.

From just appearance and sitting back to enjoy a Saturday afternoon college football game, Grinnell's field is what it's about. Nice setting in the trees and set lower than the surrounding area. I am curious about Monmouth's rebuild though. They could challenge.

Seating: Wow. I prefer separate sides so that leaves out a number of places. Knox seating is pretty darn good. Good site lines and yet close to the team. And there is no way for LFC with the dogs outnumbering the fans 3 to 1.  ::)

Concessions: I will leave this one open as I am usually full from tailgating. :)

I must say overall I enjoyed almost all the stadiums in the conference. They each have their pluses to be proud of.

Oh Yeah, the award for best Aerial Fly Over has to go to SNC.  ;)  Especially when they drop bombs!  :P

Now, I will be curious how SNC will do in 2 years when the new place is (hopefully) open.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on March 05, 2009, 11:03:37 PM
SNCOLDAD:  The visitor seating at Monmouth is woefully inadequate and the restroom facilities are nearly non-existant.  Tailgating experience was great for a regular season game when we could setup by the tennis courts, but it sucked for the playoffs when we were directed to a lot three or four blocks from the stadium. Barney Phife decided to put his bullet in his gun and act tough.  He tried to stop a bunch of German Wartburg fans from drinking some brewskies before a game.  It wasn't going to happen.  It ruined the whole day until the last seven seconds of the ball game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on March 06, 2009, 12:01:54 PM
Warthog, I certainly hope you can visit SNC the first game of next season. Stadium is only about, oh, 537 years old!!!!   ;)

But the tailgating is great.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on March 09, 2009, 04:04:03 PM
By the way Warthog, Nice place you have. The park a block away was a great place to tailgate for those of us that made the trip last year. We then used the drive right in front of the stadium for the after game feeding frenzy by the team and coaches. We appreciate the hospitality (except for beating us)  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on March 10, 2009, 07:53:23 PM
SNCOLDAD:  That was the gate we used to head back over to the park.  We thought we might join in the "feeding frenzy", but our orange shirts and other Knight stuff might have given the Warthog family away as interlopers. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on March 11, 2009, 05:25:45 PM
OK, ADHD kicking in, new subject...

Is the CIFL for real?  I see a lot of WIAC and MWCers, and NACers or whatever it's called now on the Wisconsin (Madison) Wolfpack website.  Nothing yet on the Milwaukee Bonecrushers site.

What's the deal?  Do these guys get paid?  Is the competition tough?  Is it like those hard-hitting JYDs from West Bend?  Curious.  I think I'd like to attend a game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 11, 2009, 05:33:20 PM
I don't know much about it, but I did read the the Chicago Slaughter inherited al lot of their roster from the AFL's Chicago Rush.  They crushed Milwaukee 84-25 last week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on March 19, 2009, 12:20:39 AM
.....if Lawrence doesn't win next weekend there is going to be some poon to kick!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on March 19, 2009, 07:05:34 PM
Bluenote!  Good to see you still around these parts every now and then.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on March 23, 2009, 04:27:41 PM
He attended Lawrence for a couple years before he transferred to Linfield and still has a deep attachment to their library.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on March 23, 2009, 07:42:38 PM
A highlight video of the 2008 Scots is up on momm.edu on the football page if anyone would like to relive arguably one of the greatest seasons in conference history

wondering if Carroll's qb is still repaying his te for nearly taking his life on that slowmotion hit (as i recall he had to sit out a few after that) and how much crap did #20 from Lake Forrest get in the film room the next day for being on the receiving end of that truck stick
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on March 26, 2009, 01:48:02 AM
St. Norbert DC job is posted on their website as of today
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on March 26, 2009, 09:22:31 AM
Wondering when that was going to get posted. All, please Wish Jovan well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 02, 2009, 11:30:59 AM
Very quiet out here. Come on. WAKE UP!!

OK. What is new at schools in the MWC?  Any key players leaving the school they were at last season?

New players coming in?

Coaching changes?

Non-Conference schedule?

Facility changes for visitors and tailgaters?

Let's try to get a little information flow this spring.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on April 03, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
Ok SNCOLDAD, I'll bite,

Facilities - What's the deal with Norbert?   Is your son going to get to play in the new stadium?  Done deal?  I talked with some of the coaching staff at the WFCA clinic last weekend, and they are optimistic, but...no official word on something they were pitching to recruits when I was a senior (2005).

That Monmouth highlight video-worth checking out.  I don't know if film makes things look faster and hits look harder, but those boys know how to ball.  Would have loved to see them live this past fall.  Wow!

Saw some game film of Ripon's non-conference game against UW-O from last year.  Good stuff.  I hope they have what it takes to knock them off this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 03, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Ah yes. The Recruiting showing the architecture drawing of the new stadium. To answer your question, I am an optimistic YES. Last year I would not have said so but another BIG donation was announced and the TENTATIVE plan is to break ground this spring / summer. That means that it would/could/should be ready for football 2010. Son's senior year.

But until I see the earth move   :D I will not hold my breath. Interesting economic times for all. Even colleges.

I have not looked at the video from Monmouth. I am sure I will sometime but my son would have started but was out with an injury. In fact there were a ton of people out with injuries that game for SNC, but spilt milk.  ;)

Man, I can't believe that The Roop is not jumping in here. Must be at his summer cabin with no internet.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on April 03, 2009, 06:45:46 PM
Maybe this is WAY too early to start talking about, but...I was inspired by SNCOLDAD to talk football...and contribute more than my randomness.

Looking at 2009:  Monmouth's on top (in my book) until someone knocks them off.  When I look at the schedule, I only see two possible games that could cause them to stumble in their efforts to go back-to-back: @ Carroll and @ Ripon.

Reason 1:  travel/distance, maybe not Carroll so much (is that an over-nighter Scottie-too-Hotties?)
Reason 2: tough road games.  I like Ripon to continue to rise and have had a lot of respect for Carroll at home in the past.

Whatdayall think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 05, 2009, 12:45:59 PM
Oh ahig. How could you overlook SNC? Tell me. I am very biased and admit it. For obvious reasons. I really want to know so I can better understand. Monmouth had a great year. And I congradulate them for it. But do you see something that I don't that SNC will not be a challange? I know this is the cycle that has SNC away at Mommouth, Carroll and IC. But I really am surprised that you do not consider them a threat to Monmouth.

But remember. I am biased. I admit it. Dad's are allowed.

I am happy to see others here and willing to discuss MWC football this time of year.

I remember a while back someone posting a RUMOR that the QB from Monmouth was transferring to NIU. But that was it. No follow up. Glad to hear that talent is staying in D# and the MWC.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on April 05, 2009, 04:39:33 PM
Tanney is not transferring.  Though it has been rumored, it seems to be just that..a rumor.

I agree you can in no way leave SNC out as a threat.  MC needs to prove that they can win it back to back years.

While the MC offense will be as suberb as any the conference as seen (same starters all back starting together for a 3rd season), their defense will be doing some rebuilding and the way the might lose a game this yr is if somehow their offense goes cold and it would open the door for them to be outscored.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on April 06, 2009, 07:53:58 AM
Apologies, no doubt, Norbert is a threat.  I'd like to be biased SNCOLDAD, as I bleed green, too.  My previous statement has little to no value at all b/c Monmouth could roll into Beloit (or vice versa, not sure of the schedule) next year and get popped in the mouth.  Any Given Saturday.  That's what makes football great.  I didn't include Norbert b/c I think they have a lot to prove this year.  If I were a gamblin' man and had to put money on the SNC/Monmouth game in Vegas right now, yeah, I'm going with Monmouth.  I know little to nothing about each school's players, who has an ear infection, or what have you.

In addition, I didn't include Norbert b/c this board has been dominated by SNC posters for years (BTW, where's ol' XSND47?  Did I miss the Post Patterns Hall of Fame Ceremony? "One more post!  One more post!").  I like the fact that there's a new sherriff in town.  I also love the fact that Norbert may be considered an underdog.  I hope they tear some heads on their way back to the top.  The dynasty probably won't last forever and respect needs to be paid to other teams as well.  Ripon handed SNC their you-know-what last year and any team that can do that deserves mention.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 06, 2009, 08:49:53 AM
No Apologies necessary. And no sheriff either.  :)  Just a Dad.  :D

I will not argue with any of your statements. They are all solid and make a lot of sense. I do not know who you are talking about. I have been on here for 2 years / seasons is all. And to be honest I may have only 2 more seasons to go. But I am sure that is how it is with parents coming and going.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on April 06, 2009, 07:03:40 PM
SNCOLDAD,

I always get a bit nervous as Post Patterns is a lot like e-mail in that you can never tell the tone of the message in the post.  I hope you know that my post was in no way meant to be an attack on you.  The "sherriff" I was referring to was Monmouth.  You probably knew that based on your well-placed smilies.  I also didn't want to sound like "oh excuse me for not knowing the intricate details of the team!"  And the other poster I was taking about (XSND47) is an old SNC alum who used to like to stir the pot a bit on this message board a few years ago.  I always got a charge out of his witty posts.  In conclusion, I hope you and I still have positive interactions on this board in the future and that nothing was taken out of context.  My thoughts are random at best.  Go Green Knights!!

Hey, Larry Nation!  When will the Vikings rise to the plundering and baby-skewering heights that I know and love them for?!?  My personal experience with Howard @ SNC was awesome and I'm sure he's doing the right things.  What does the future behold?  If history is any crystal ball, then the Vikings should be able to invade the Scots no problem.  It's when they get to the Irish that they've got to be careful.  One story has it that the Irish nailed some Vik's intestines to a tree and forced him to walk around the base until he died.  Great corolation to football, huh?  But seriously, if we're talking MWC history, Lawrence has made it.  When will they return?  When will they be competative again?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 06, 2009, 07:42:31 PM
ahig, I believe you and I will get along just fine.  ;D

We can gang up on The Roop when he decides to show up again. And as far as stirring the pot, well, you will find out who does it the most real sson after the football junkies return  ::)

It sounds like I have a pertner to fire back at them.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on April 08, 2009, 08:29:21 AM
You never want to count out SNC.  I did some research and posted on the NWC board a month or so ago concerning winning percentages of teams in the west region. St. Norberts has the best winning percentage of all the teams in the west region over the last ten years.  That means they have to very consistantly be in the winners circle. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 08, 2009, 09:36:22 AM
 :o Warthog, I had no idea! So now the question. Are you going to make it to the opening game in beautiful De Pere????? Hopefully SNC can up that percentage. You know we owe you.  ;)

If you have that info handy, would you mind sending it to me?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on April 08, 2009, 02:59:28 PM
SNCOLDAD:  Here is what I posted on March 1st on the NWC board.

I was reading your opinions on which teams are elite etc.
In my mind I was naming off the same teams most of you were.
I decided to enlist the help of our friends @ D3.  They give us the records of teams over the past ten years, so that is what I used as my time frame.  I assumed a good team over a decade would average 7 wins a season, so I looked for all the West Region teams with 70 wins since the 1999 season.  Then I realized you folks out far west often only get 9 games.  I modified my search and added some teams in your area codes with 60 wins since 1999.  Based on my calculations; over the past decade the following West Region teams have had the best winning percentage:

1) St. Norbert 91-16 = 85%
2) St. Johns 108-20 = 84.4%
3) Linfield 84-18 = 82.4%
4) Wartburg 89-20 = 81.7%
5) Central 85-24 = 78%
6) Occidental 71-25 = 74%
7) UW-Whitewater 87-33 = 72.5%
8] Bethel 77-30 = 72%
9) Ripon 70-31 = 69.3%
10) Whitworth 66-30 = 68.8%
11) Monmouth 70-33 = 68%
12) Redlands 60-32 = 65.2%
13) Pac Lutheran 64-35 = 64.6%
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on April 08, 2009, 03:07:49 PM
SNCOLDAD:

I like your trailing message, but instead of:

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

It should say:

GO ORANGE KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 08, 2009, 03:19:44 PM
OK warthog, I am assuming the statistics are not just for regular season. Correct?
This is an incredible list. I had no idea. I hope Coach sees this.
So let's see. If by a fluke of nature SNC loses a conference game this next year, that means we go 9-1 or 90%. Right Warthog??? ;)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on April 08, 2009, 03:42:14 PM
The numbers and percentages include both conference, non-conference  and post-season games.  That is why St. Johns has more games than the rest.

9-1 would be 90% for the season and an eleven year record of 100-17, which would be an 85.5% winning rate over 11 seasons.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 08, 2009, 08:40:11 PM
And.......... 9-1 with the only loss in conference would mean?????? ??? ??? ???   ???

I figured there must be playoffs because the Johnnies have so many more games.

Thanks Warthog.

Oh, and that means we win our only non-conference game.    ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 08, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
I do not know much about other conferences, but it is nice to see 3 MWC schools in your list. How old is the MWC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on April 08, 2009, 08:46:27 PM
Ok SNCOLDAD and Warthog,

Great stats and I'm also excited that Norbert is on top, but...and this is a daring "but" for me, b/c I just made a friend in SNCOLDAD, but...and because it's been argued by other posters not familiar with this conference in the past and it pissed me off, so before they catch wind of this and say it, but.......

How do those stats match up with the arugment "Yeah, but the MWC is so weak.  (Insert school name here) University or (Insert school name here) College could do that too if we played in the MWC"?

Please direct any anger-driven comments to a pretend poster named Nimrod.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 08, 2009, 09:56:45 PM
Come on ahig! We know there is no tougher conference from top to bottom than the MWC!   ;)

You are absolutely right. Over the past 10 years, I would bet that SNC, Ripon and Monmouth all could say under their breath that they have 4-6 conference wins in all probability before the season starts. In a real  daring thought they might think 7 or even 8 in some years. Then if you add in the easy non-conference game that some schools schedule and you add another.

No doubt that other schools have certain teams that the football program is not up to the higher standards of the leaders in the conference. But the MWC seems to have 4-6 that are almost always a sure bet to lose against 1 or more of the teams named above. Pretty good odds to up your winning percentage.

ahig, you keep it up. You can try to keep me honest and not so biased. Good luck.  :D

Do you make any SNC games?

ALmost forget



GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on April 09, 2009, 01:14:30 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on April 08, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
I do not know much about other conferences, but it is nice to see 3 MWC schools in your list. How old is the MWC?

The Midwest Conference was formed in 1921. St. Norbert didn't join until 1982.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on April 09, 2009, 08:08:59 AM
I try to make at least one every year in De Pere, SNCOLDAD.  I also follow them if they play @ Lawrence and @ Ripon.

Holy cow, the MWC is old!  Speaking of that, has anyone checked out that book that was available on the conference website, written by the Grinnell grad, "No Ordinary Conference" or whatever?  It looked really good, but I never pruchased it.

Lastly, if you're a MWC fan, I gotta say again that Out of the Comfort Zone by Frank Agin is a great read.  It was, and still is I believe, advertised on d3football.com.  Good stuff.  Setting is the mid 80's in the old MWC but would bring back memories for anyone that's traveled throughout the MWC to watch or play football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on April 09, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
Perhaps some MWC "old timers" can respond to questions I just asked on the IIAC board.  We tend to hear stories about the terrific rivalry between Coe and Cornell.

While they are close geographically they tend to show up on opposite ends of the football standings.  Were they more closely matched when they belonged to the MWC?  If so what has happened?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on April 10, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
Did anyone check out that CC video on d3football's front page?  The college is thinking of cutting football, softball, and water polo.  $600,000 or so in savings, $400,000 of that coming from dropping football.  Can someone who understands economics better than I do explain that?

I thought recruiting, especially at the D-III level, was just as much a business as it was trying to build the best team possible.  Based upon my own humble career, I was no five-star recruit, I understood that, and was told that in my sit-down meeting with coach at the end of my senior year.  I wasn't recruited for my "talent" necessarily but also (or rather) for my tuition.  Don't you think if a coach like Purtill can bring in over 100 young college student-athletes and keep them enrolled for four years (whether they play all four years or not), admissions and the college president are patting him on the back?  As much as football costs, if you're "no scholarship", aren't you happy with a sport that needs at least 22 guys to field a team.  Those 22 (or more, almost always more) athletes are pumping in money to that school.  Or is CC scholarship b/c of hockey?  If so, please disregard.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on April 10, 2009, 11:49:15 AM
ahig:

I think you are correct.  There has been several discussions on the IIAC board about Wartburg and Central loading up with 140 or so players.  Some people have felt it is somewhat unethical and unfair that they go out and possibly over recruit.  Those of us who are their fans say you keep recruiting huge numbers because:

a) You don't know which of those freshmen will be your All-American in four years.
b) Each one of those guys is $15,000 to $30,000 income depending upon the academic scholarships they earn.
c) The bigger your team is the more butts you have in seats at home games and the more recruiters you have back home encouraging other students to attend your college.

So as long as the recruits are academically sound, the more the merrier.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on April 10, 2009, 11:53:47 AM
Title IX
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on April 15, 2009, 03:14:05 PM
2009 pre-season predictions:

1. Monmouth - an offense that won't be stopped
2. SNC - out of respect for the program
3. Ripon - losing some key seniors
4. Carroll - they've been about here consistently
5. Lake Forest - once you get past the top 4 any reasoning makes sense, i say LFC bounces back plus...
6. Beloit - ...none of them...
7. IC - ...showed any improvement...
8. Lawrence - ...to build on...
9. Grinnell - ...for next year
10. Knox - you'd think 20 mins away would be close enough for winning attitude to rub off

Beloit went from 1-9 to 5-5 but they lost alot of seniors i heard

Alex Tanney QB MC - Offensive POY for 2009 and 2010 and the greatest career in MWC history
Sean Wells DB MC - Defensive POY
Steve Bell - Coach

Also, would like to know how many returning starters all schools have coming back
I believe Monmouth is all 11 on Offense and 5 on Defense
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 15, 2009, 04:03:26 PM
All you have to do is swap #1 and #2.  ;D

I do not think a Monmouth defensive player will Gget POY. It is going to be tough for them with the probablity of them being scored on a lot and often. But of course we know their offense will score a lot and more often in MOST cases. (not aginst SNC)   ;)

Last years SNC offense was overall pretty young. Also they had an extremely high rate of injury to starters. They lost a few defensive players and of course AJ on offense.

I truly believe it will be a very good game against MC this year.

If he plays like he is supposed to and stays healthy, I agree on Tanney. But he has to have the team step up for him also. He can't do it alone.

I do think that POY should be looked at elsewhere in the conference other than the top 1 or 2 teams. It seems like that is tradition everywhere. Maybe we could see a great individual player come out of the also ran teams this year. Then again.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on April 16, 2009, 07:31:56 PM
I'll put my 2009 Pre-Season Perdictions in as well...

1.Monmouth- Tanney and company will be hard to stop again in '09
2.SNC/Ripon- This is a toss up in my book
4. Carroll- Can be a threat to make an upset of the top 3 in my opinion
5. IC- Jennings will do good things again in 2009
6. Lake Forest- Young team, but can improve
7. Beloit- Finished 2008 very strong, losing many seniors hurts
8. Grinnell- Are there any clones of Bret Maloney in Iowa?
9. Knox- Another tough season for the Prarie Fire
10. Lawrence- Vikings need more numbers on the roster to compete

MWC will have another great year for football come September and I'm looking forward to see a couple upsets hopefully!!
Title: Recruits
Post by: WK21 on April 20, 2009, 12:23:21 AM
Any news on how the recruiting classes are coming along?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 20, 2009, 08:58:50 AM
Hello WK21. Welcome. Since you are brand new to here I would like to welcome you to the MWC forum. OK. Now that I have done the proper thing, I am trying to figure out from your name who you are a fan of. It is somewhat difficult to know too much as the existing team may not even know who is coming in. It is always taking a chance because things can change over the summer even on where a player may go.

I will ask my son and see if he has heard anything at all. The best bet may be if they know of a transfer from JC or another college. But believe me, you can have a great player from high school come in and they just cannot cut it. It is a major difference.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on April 20, 2009, 09:42:28 AM
Some info re new stadium at SNC

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090420/GPG0101/90420007/1978
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on April 20, 2009, 01:01:18 PM
Actually, I am a Monmouth College recruit trying to decide where I want to go to school next year.

To make this short, Im pretty interested in if I know any of the guys I coiuld possibly be playing with for the next four years.

My other school is Augie, but Im about 80% on going to Monmouth due to the price. I would have to pay an extra $9000 dollars a year for Augie, and to be honest, Augustana is a good school but I don't think it is a total of $36000 better than Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 20, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
Good for you WK21. You have a tough decision to make. Both are good schools. My son has friends that go to Augie. Good luck in your choice and I am sure you will do what is right for you. Where are you going to high school if I can ask. And also, what position have you been playing? Just curious.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on April 20, 2009, 02:34:32 PM
I go to LeRoy High School...

My senior year was my second year playing any form of football, so Im pretty excited to continue in college because I know I have alot of potential left in me.

Anyway I'm going to be playing cornerback, which I think is one of the main points of emphasis for Monmouth this off season..

here's my highlight film...lol I had to change my music, but I think you will still enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6HmOu1DMbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6HmOu1DMbs)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 20, 2009, 02:40:41 PM
WK21 - I know SNCOLDAD says it's a tough decision to make, but this is an easy one...go to Monmouth.  ;)

GO FIGHTING SCOTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on April 20, 2009, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: Maverick on April 20, 2009, 02:40:41 PM
WK21 - I know SNCOLDAD says it's a tough decision to make, but this is an easy one...go to Monmouth.  ;)

GO FIGHTING SCOTS


lol, thanks for your input...

I will most likely end up there..
either way I know I will be well off.

I visited tons of schools and none of them compared to Augie or Monmouth, except Wesleyan (but that was too close to home for me)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 20, 2009, 02:47:04 PM
Ah yes. I see you are from downstate. I am sure you will enjoy Monmouth. And you probably stand a good chance of playing your freshman year there.

But be careful of Maverick. He is very biased in his opinion.

Oh Wait. So Am I.  ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on April 20, 2009, 03:01:44 PM
Im just working to get on the special teams as of right now..and work from there.

It's kinda weird because my school played Monmouth Roseville this year as our non-conf. game. The facilities, coaching, and the fact that they generally recruit small town guys really drew me to Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 20, 2009, 03:16:03 PM
I have to tell you. D3 Football is the best!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on April 20, 2009, 10:54:59 PM
WK21:

Or you could cross the river and attend Wartburg.  The Orange Knights   were undefeated in the MWC last year.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 21, 2009, 09:14:58 AM
Cold Warthog. Real Cold.   ;)
But they will be 0-1 after the first week this year.  ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 21, 2009, 10:41:05 AM
Beloit could use some help in the secondary. You'd have a good chance of being a 4 year starter there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on April 21, 2009, 11:18:27 AM
lol thanks guys, but it's a little late in the recruiting process. Besides, I know a lot of guys that play at Monmouth which is also part of the equation.

Alex Tanney, Kyle Wantland, Sean Wells, and about four others are all from my conference so Im pretty pumped to play with them.

And practice against Tanney!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 21, 2009, 05:10:58 PM
Well look who surfaced?!?!?!?!  The nortorius ROOP!   ;)

Wk, watch out for him.  :P

Practice against Tanney, is that a reward or punishment???    ???

The guy is good.

The Roop, how the heck are you? Give me a call sometime so wwe can catch up.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 22, 2009, 08:10:01 AM
Actually WK some of the best recruits get landed late in the year. Check out http://www.beloit.edu/bucs/ and fill out the "recruit me" form. What can it hurt ?? Besides, if they get the QB they are after people will be saying "Tanney who ??" very soon.

SNCOLDAD, My involuntary "vacation" began on Feb 13th and since the weather is finally turning nice I expect an interview any day now. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 22, 2009, 09:05:21 AM
Roop. OUCH! on the "vacation". Been there. Not fun.

Hope interviews go well. I really think things are starting to turn, but slowly.

WK21, good luck to you wherever you land. This time of year is pretty slow on the board. For the most part we are all friendly and get along great. And of course, we all have our alliances to our teams. All sorts of reasons why.

Be aware. Some coaches monitor this board on a regular basis. My son has heard some of the things I post from one of the coaches. I hope I haven't gotten him in too much hot water.  ::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on April 22, 2009, 03:36:54 PM
Im going to Monmouth, I committed last night..

Soon there will be a list of all the recruits that have committed to Monmouth on their site.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 22, 2009, 06:06:19 PM
OK WK. Get used to ____ ___________ going long on you in the coming years. Third and fourth round play off games are coming to Beloit and scottie knows it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on April 22, 2009, 08:50:22 PM
haha a challenge i am willing to accept...but who exactly IS blank blank
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 23, 2009, 09:30:36 AM
WK21, congrats. I am sure you made a great decision for you. It is far enough away from home but not too far for you. Good luck.

And as far a blank blank,  ??? don't worry about it. Roop has been stating this garbage for months now.  :P He thinks the best QB in D3 history is going to Beloit.  ;) He supposedly has inside info.

One thing THE ROOP has forgotten about is you still need an offensive line to protect that QB, and receivers to catch his great throws. And, oh yeah, a defense to get him the ball back.

I have to kid with Roop.  ;D


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on April 23, 2009, 11:01:34 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on April 23, 2009, 09:30:36 AM
And as far a blank blank,  ??? don't worry about it. Roop has been stating this garbage for months now.  :P He thinks the best QB in D3 history is going to Beloit.  ;) He supposedly has inside info.

You know SNCOLDAD, UWW just recently had two backup QB's leave their program and maybe looking to transfer so that they can get on the field.  One of them played in about 10 games last year and wasn't too bad when he got a chance.  He'll probably end up the starter nearly anyplace he decides to land.  He's from a town not too far from Beloit, too.  They other didn't get a great deal of action last year in his only year at Whitewater, so I don't know much about him.  Just thinking out loud now, but might one of them be the guy Roop has in his crosshairs?  :-\   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 23, 2009, 11:08:43 AM
You never know what ROOP is thinking BoBo.  ;)

He does seem to have a way to get insider info somehow. It would be great to see Beloit get into the game a little more. I would like more equity in the MWC, but at a higher level. Sounds like whoever this is could help take them in that direction.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 23, 2009, 01:04:20 PM
I can't tell you who blank blank is or I would be recruiting for the entire conference. The grapevine is a little slow during the off season but last I heard it was down to Beloit and UW-Eau Claire.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 24, 2009, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: WK21 on April 22, 2009, 03:36:54 PM
Im going to Monmouth, I committed last night..

Soon there will be a list of all the recruits that have committed to Monmouth on their site.

WK21 - Congrats and good luck in your career at MC!  I still come back to alot of the games and hope to see you playing a part in the Scots success.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on April 27, 2009, 09:21:51 AM
ROOP, any luck on your situation?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 27, 2009, 03:18:43 PM
Thanks for asking SNCOLDAD but no. I did complete my bar tenders certification last week however and may have a lead. It won't be full time but will give me something to do until something more permanent rolls around. It has been a few years but I have been a tavern psychologist before.

Nod your head and say "You betcha" is half the battle.
Title: List of Monmouth recruits
Post by: WK21 on May 04, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/football/2009/recruits.htm (http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/football/2009/recruits.htm)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on May 04, 2009, 09:46:31 PM
WK21:

Thanks for alerting us to the recruit list.

Now for a word of advice.  I would suggest, that since you are an official Monmouth Fighting Scot football player, it is time for you to stop posting on this site.  When you get to college, players posting just isn't a very good idea.  In high school posting might be cool, but this is college and it simply makes you a target.

Leave the posting to us has beens and never weres.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on May 04, 2009, 10:33:35 PM
sounds good....fair well
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on May 05, 2009, 10:19:01 AM
WK21, Warthog has a solid point. Have a great career at Monmouth. Remember where your priorities lie. I know for a fact that some coaches will monitor this board. Good luck.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on May 05, 2009, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: warthog on May 04, 2009, 09:46:31 PM
Leave the posting to us has beens and never weres.

And overbearing dads too.    ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 06, 2009, 01:06:32 AM
He's only overbearing online. In person he cowers at the sight of the opposing fans.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 29, 2009, 07:02:43 AM
Here's news about a prep player headed Ripon's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/46420592.html

("Other college choices" section).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on June 01, 2009, 09:29:34 AM
Happy June Everyone. Hope the beginning of summer (I know, arguable) finds everyone doing well. Been busy with work. But did sneak in a fishing trip.
On to business. Looks like St. Norbert has found a new Defensive Coach. Coach DeWitt had decided to move on back in the spring. He is a young and talented coach and I know he will do very well. The new coach seems to have some pretty impressive credentials and I am sure he will do a great job for SNC.

All the best Coach Doornbos.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on June 02, 2009, 05:47:05 PM
read the article, he looks like a pretty good pickup
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on June 02, 2009, 10:56:32 PM
Great news!  People are alive over on the MWC board.  I thought you had all been over stimulated by the Obama stimulus program.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on June 03, 2009, 11:50:07 AM
Sounds like Beloit had a good recruiting year numbers wise and there is a stud QB heading their way. Although I don't think he's the one I was hinting about. He sounds more "out of area" than <blank blank> is.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on June 03, 2009, 02:27:46 PM
we're alive again and ready to finally win more than one playoff game

hopefully last year wasn't the start of a curse, I'd hate to see the seven seconds left touchdown haunting future Scots 80-100 years from now like the Bambino or the billy goat

also, never got to congratulate on here the Scots on their 5th straight mens all-sports title, the women got 2nd to those darn SNC women again....5 straight in mens though shows the overall commitment to excellence as a department.. CONGRATS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on June 03, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
Hey warthog, it took us a while but we are waking up. I see that MWC is promoting monmouth. :)  Oh well. Good job SNC ladies!!! ;D

And of course The Roop is out here pushing Beloit any way he can. He even tried to get me to sway my son to change. Even if I wanted him to, he would laugh at me. He likes playing REAL football Roop!!!   ;)

I am curious on the possible recruits coming into SNC but no news on this end.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on June 03, 2009, 11:35:57 PM
SNCOLDAD:  I want to do a little bragging of my own.  Wartburg won their 12th straight IIAC all-sports trophy on the men's side and 2nd straight (six in eight years) on the women's side.  MWCfan787 hit the nail on the head when he said these type of streaks show an overall committment to an excellent program.

GO ORANGE KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 04, 2009, 07:46:30 AM
Here's news on 2 prep players headed Lake Forest's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/46856767.html

("Other college choices" section).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on June 04, 2009, 09:43:00 AM
Warthog, I agree with you 100% on the committment that a lot of schools make. Each school has their strengths and each has their programs that they are working on to improve. I cannot tell you how much I have become addicted to Division III schools.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 07, 2009, 09:10:19 AM
Well it has been over a month since any activity on this board. We need to start ramping up toward a great season. Warthog, stick around. Make sure you stay involved through the opening game. Also my condolences over the loss of the high school coach. Prayers to his family and to the family of the young man that is troubled.  :'(

As we all know, SNC does not say anything about recruits, but I am curious what others have heard from other schools. We do have a new Defensive Coach at SNC. Welcome aboard Coach. Hope to meet you soon.

Let's start getting a little activity on here. I am sure the Monmouth fans are anxious to start the season. Then again, maybe not.  ;D 

I look forward to a great season and another playoff win for a Midwest Conference school in the play-offs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 07, 2009, 08:46:36 PM
not alot of traffic cuz we are are all about the football of our conference on this board, where other conference boards talk about various topics

haven't heard much new from the hub of western illinois.....there is a new slideshow on the website though with pictures from installation of the new Scots field turf

Scots defensively will have to prove themselves with 7-8 new starters, I know the coaching staff is gonna challenge them in camp....but they will probably be even harder on the offense to prevent complacency cuz they got everyone back minus one lineman
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 08, 2009, 09:10:43 AM
Still waiting on Beloits field turf. Which was to be installed following the 2007 season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 08, 2009, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: The Roop on July 08, 2009, 09:10:43 AM
Still waiting on Beloits field turf. Which was to be installed following the 2007 season.

Don't worry. My high school was supposed to get new lights installed for its football field when I was in sixth grade. They got them the year after I graduated from high school.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 08, 2009, 10:11:10 AM
I, like many others, including visiting players, would sure like to hear that ground has been broken for the new facility in De Pere. But no word yet.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on July 09, 2009, 10:25:14 AM
SNCOL, don't mean to shoot your hopes and dreams but the new stadium at SNC was told to recruits that ground breaking would start back in 2004....I hardly doubt DA will step foot on that field in a uniform. >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 09, 2009, 11:26:25 AM
I know. But we can dream. Actually there was quite a bit of movement in the spring, especially on the donation front.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 09, 2009, 01:10:18 PM
Maybe the DNR is studying the impact of a new stadium on migratory bird flight paths.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 09, 2009, 01:48:14 PM
Hey ROOP, remember to look up when at the existing stadium.   :D

Just like NASCAR, we usually get a flyover. Unlike NASCAR, our flyover will drop bombs!    :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 09, 2009, 08:36:51 PM
What's the umbrella policy at the existing stadium ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 09, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
SNCOLDAD:  Well, I guess I'll be missing the GREEN KNIGHT/ORANGE KNIGHT   contest on September 5th.  It appears we will be heading in the opposite direction to attend a wedding.  Who in God's green Earth schedules a wedding on a Saturday during football season?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 10, 2009, 09:45:07 AM
Roop, if you are cheering for SNC, then they pass over with no bombs.  :D

Warthog, If you only knew!!!   >:( What you just said is hitting home like you would not believe. I will discuss later but not now.  ???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on July 11, 2009, 05:46:10 AM
scots will be tested on defense they do though have 3 all conference guys back on d

2 defensive ends and a safety plus a defensive tackle that played alot last year. the way i see it with that

offense they only need a few critical stops a game.













Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 11, 2009, 07:47:08 AM
scots fan:  From what I've seen of that offense of yours, you could end up with a whole bunch of wins that sound like basketball scores.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on July 11, 2009, 07:53:05 AM
warthog, we will see how good monmouth is right out of the gate they play   
loras at home first game should be a good test.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 11, 2009, 09:54:28 AM
The opening game for SNC should also give a pretty good indication as to where they stand also. It is good to see Monmouth schedule a tough non-conference game. But as we all know, that game does not win conference and that has a long way to go after that first game. A lot can happen, especially injuries, as SNC saw all too much of last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 13, 2009, 01:47:10 AM
SNCOLDAD:   you've alluded to snc injuries in 2008 many times...though last yr i knew many players well and asked many questions leading up to the game....they never mentioned anything in the scouting report about key injuries except 1 db i think

so this is my question:  To clear things up, what difference makers missed games because of injury last year?  and a follow up question to stir the pot...Do you feel like the green knights would have won conference last year if not for injuries, or at the very least did snc injuries make the Scots title last yr less legitimate?

other snc fans are welcome to answer
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on July 13, 2009, 04:09:16 PM
MWC, name one team that doesn't have injuries during the year to vital members of the team, Monmouth included...it's part of the ups and downs of a season.

As a SNC alum, Monmouth had more firepower than the green knights last year and deserved the title...no need to stir that pot.  Look at the battles these two teams have had over the past 10 years and we could sit here all day and pick apart the "could of/should of..."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 13, 2009, 07:20:36 PM
I will not name any names. Not what I am willing to discuss on an open message board. But do I think SNC would have won conference last year without the injuries. Sure, why not? Do I think MC had just as good a chance. Absolutely. And I will also include Ripon in the mix. I believe that their game with MC was even closer than the SNC - MC game, but not sure. And you also asked for key players. That is also a very vague term. What you consider key vs. what I consider key very well could be different.

So you are not stirring the pot. MC won conference. I will not take anything away from that. I think in the past I have said that the game would have been a different game without the injuries. Not saying the Win Loss would have changed but I strongly feel the score would have been quite different.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on July 14, 2009, 02:34:05 PM
 sncoldad ,I saw the snc game against Monmouth last year and Monmouth dominated that game. SNC had no answer for them defensively . the other thing i saw in that game is without your qb breaking numerous tackles behind the line of scrimmage and turning them into substantial  gains the score would have been considerably worse . the game this year should be fun to watch and of course it being at MONMOUTH is a plus. OH  by the way i hope you shored your defense up   from last year because they will have a tall task stopping those top 18 returning offensive players on MONMOUTH this year. I think MONMOUTH put up 36 at snc last  year 1year older 1year more seasoned oh oh .
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 14, 2009, 02:47:21 PM
You said it Scots Fan. 1 year more experience is huge for your offense. And hopefully for the SNC defense. Of course we are both assuming that there is no loss of personnel due to transfer, drop out, no more football, whatever. I am not familiar with this except for 2 years but I would think in D3 there is always a little fall out from above reasons.

You mention the home at Monmouth this year. Absolutely a strong advantage I think, especially this year. I would agree it would be an upset for SNC to take MC this year on their home field.

Another advantage you have this year is that SNC has a new Defensive Coach. No experience from last year in how to defend the Scots and that passing attack.

I am looking forward to the season and a great set of games all around.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on July 14, 2009, 03:12:05 PM
 very good observation SNCOLDAD the other  thing about the MONMOUTH offense you forgot to mention is they have a very good running attack. I truly believe MONMOUTH deserves their ranking in lindys poll .  the only question i have about MONMOUTH IS can they  replace those 7 they lost on defense. THEY do have however 2 all conference d ends and a all conference safety it is all about who steps up for them on defense. I do believe we are going to see some track meets    in the scoring department
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 14, 2009, 06:02:33 PM
definitely agree on the Ripon thing....that game was much closer, and MC was a home.  monmouth still deserved it though cuz found a way to win in the final 2 mins i think in what was a perfect let-down situation cuz it was the very next week after snc, and that Ripon defense seemingly dominated snc according to the numbers

a new d coordinator for snc might be a good thing, cuz whatever they were running didn't work last yr with the athletes they had

nervous for the scots d against snc next yr though, as referred to before...berger had some WOW runs last yr as well as sims, and i think they are both back right?  without them two the game would've been over much earlier last yr.....i think ripon loses alot on offense and their best 2-3 players on D if i remember correctly, sounds like alot of rebuilding and doesn't worry me as much
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 14, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
MWC football champion vegas odds ;D

monmouth - 2 to 1
st. norbert - 5 to 1
ripon - 10 to 1
carroll - 30 to 1
lake forest - 80 to 1
beloit - 125 to 1
illinois college - 200 to 1
lawrence - 300 to 1
grinnell - 600 to 1
knox - 1000 to 1

i personally wouldn't waste 2 dollars on any of those odds cept Monmouth still.....because the $1998 i would make if I put 2 bucks on Knox would not be nearly enough consolation if I had to see the Prarie Fire holding the 2009 trophy
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on July 15, 2009, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on July 14, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
MWC football champion vegas odds ;D

monmouth - 2 to 1
st. norbert - 5 to 1
ripon - 10 to 1
carroll - 30 to 1
lake forest - 80 to 1
beloit - 125 to 1
illinois college - 200 to 1
lawrence - 300 to 1
grinnell - 600 to 1
knox - 1000 to 1

i personally wouldn't waste 2 dollars on any of those odds cept Monmouth still.....because the $1998 i would make if I put 2 bucks on Knox would not be nearly enough consolation if I had to see the Prarie Fire holding the 2009 trophy

The odds listed above are very interesting to consider.  Basically, I would agree with the odds for the top six teams in particular.  Illinois College, Lawrence, and Grinnell are all about the same in my mind (time will tell).  These three schools will likely split against each other as Grinnell hosts Lawrence, Illinois College hosts Grinnell, and Lawrence hosts Illinois College (the home team will win each of these games in my opinion).  They each will beat Knox.  So, can one of these teams find a way to pull off and upset against one another or an upset of one of the likely top six MWC teams?  That is the question. 

I look for Grinnell to potentially be a tough out for both Illinois College and Lawrence (as well as being more competitive against the conference's more established football teams) based on the fact that Coach Hawsey has now brought in his second very good recruiting class (15 players) combined with last year's 18 returning sophomores.  Hawsey is a very good young coach and he has the players in this program excited and working hard.  They are building for the "long haul" at Grinnell and those 33 players recruited by Hawsey will become the foundation for an improved program beginning potentially as quickly as this fall.  Numbers are improving as Grinnell will have over 50 players on its roster for the first time in years.  Grinnell will become a competitive MWC football team in the years ahead.  I am not saying that they are a team that will eventually challenge for a conference championship.  But, I am saying that they will not be an "automatic win" and a conference "door mat" in the years ahead for those at the "top of the pack."

I agree that Knox will be the likely "cellar dweller" this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 15, 2009, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on July 14, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
MWC football champion vegas odds ;D

monmouth - 2 to 1
st. norbert - 5 to 1
ripon - 10 to 1
carroll - 30 to 1
lake forest - 80 to 1
beloit - 125 to 1
illinois college - 200 to 1
lawrence - 300 to 1
grinnell - 600 to 1
knox - 1000 to 1

i personally wouldn't waste 2 dollars on any of those odds cept Monmouth still.....because the $1998 i would make if I put 2 bucks on Knox would not be nearly enough consolation if I had to see the Prarie Fire holding the 2009 trophy

How did you find out about the vegas odds?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on July 15, 2009, 01:25:24 PM
Stole this from the IIAC site...give us something to debate about with camp just a month away.  Let's see your pre-season picks.

Offense                                   Defense
QB:                                         Safeties:

RB:                                          CB:

WR:                                         LB:

TE:                                           D-Line:

O-Line:                                       

Drew Anderson, SNC  ;D

Specials:
K:                                             P:

KR/PR:

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 15, 2009, 02:02:15 PM
One can only hope.  ;D

I could see the Punter repeating. Berger of SNC


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 15, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
MWCfan787, your point about d coach is well taken. He has lots of films to study from past MWC games. But I wonder how much the opposing coaches will know about him and his schemes?   ???Interesting situation.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 16, 2009, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on July 15, 2009, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on July 14, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
MWC football champion vegas odds ;D

monmouth - 2 to 1
st. norbert - 5 to 1
ripon - 10 to 1
carroll - 30 to 1
lake forest - 80 to 1
beloit - 125 to 1
illinois college - 200 to 1
lawrence - 300 to 1
grinnell - 600 to 1
knox - 1000 to 1

i personally wouldn't waste 2 dollars on any of those odds cept Monmouth still.....because the $1998 i would make if I put 2 bucks on Knox would not be nearly enough consolation if I had to see the Prarie Fire holding the 2009 trophy

How did you find out about the vegas odds?

completely made it up for fun
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 16, 2009, 09:26:04 AM
MWCfan787............   EXCELLENT!   ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on July 16, 2009, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on July 16, 2009, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on July 15, 2009, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on July 14, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
MWC football champion vegas odds ;D

monmouth - 2 to 1
st. norbert - 5 to 1
ripon - 10 to 1
carroll - 30 to 1
lake forest - 80 to 1
beloit - 125 to 1
illinois college - 200 to 1
lawrence - 300 to 1
grinnell - 600 to 1
knox - 1000 to 1

i personally wouldn't waste 2 dollars on any of those odds cept Monmouth still.....because the $1998 i would make if I put 2 bucks on Knox would not be nearly enough consolation if I had to see the Prarie Fire holding the 2009 trophy

How did you find out about the vegas odds?

completely made it up for fun


Did you really actually think there were real vegas odds for a marginal at football D3 conference?  Really?  I've got some beachfront property in the middle of the Sahara I'd love to sell you too...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 16, 2009, 01:04:18 PM
Why not???   They lay odds for just about everything else!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on July 16, 2009, 03:18:15 PM
I fell for it  :-[, how much for the beachfront property?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 16, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
Hey Flash, do a search on Google and maybe we were not so naive to believe it. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 16, 2009, 09:20:51 PM
The only sports book that matters is RoopVegas so here are the real odds.

Monmouth 5-3
St. Norbert 3-1
Ripon 7-1
Field 23-1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 17, 2009, 08:37:58 AM
Quote from: larry_u on July 16, 2009, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on July 16, 2009, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on July 15, 2009, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on July 14, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
MWC football champion vegas odds ;D

monmouth - 2 to 1
st. norbert - 5 to 1
ripon - 10 to 1
carroll - 30 to 1
lake forest - 80 to 1
beloit - 125 to 1
illinois college - 200 to 1
lawrence - 300 to 1
grinnell - 600 to 1
knox - 1000 to 1

i personally wouldn't waste 2 dollars on any of those odds cept Monmouth still.....because the $1998 i would make if I put 2 bucks on Knox would not be nearly enough consolation if I had to see the Prarie Fire holding the 2009 trophy

How did you find out about the vegas odds?

completely made it up for fun


Did you really actually think there were real vegas odds for a marginal at football D3 conference?  Really?  I've got some beachfront property in the middle of the Sahara I'd love to sell you too...

Given the Vegas odds-makers penchant for making money, anything is possible ... even setting odds for D3 football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 20, 2009, 09:14:03 AM
Well, Guess What?   ???

http://www.betlaspalmas.com/livelines.aspx

::)  Even d3 Football.

Just too early for them I guess.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 20, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 20, 2009, 09:14:03 AM
Well, Guess What?   ???

http://www.betlaspalmas.com/livelines.aspx

::)  Even d3 Football.

Just too early for them I guess.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS

So ... larry_u ... about that beachfront ... on which midwest river would that be?

REMEMBER THE SPARTANS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 20, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
They have a category but that doesn't mean they have lines. We'll have to check back in September to see for sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on July 22, 2009, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on July 20, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 20, 2009, 09:14:03 AM
Well, Guess What?   ???

http://www.betlaspalmas.com/livelines.aspx

::)  Even d3 Football.

Just too early for them I guess.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS

So ... larry_u ... about that beachfront ... on which midwest river would that be?

REMEMBER THE SPARTANS!

I can't open the link at work, but note in my post above I stated who would have odds for how the mWC would finish.  I don't doubt there might be odds for who might win the national title with Mount Union of course getting 1:2 odds... but I highly doubt there are odds for the Midwest Conference champion....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 22, 2009, 02:41:36 PM
And the US Government is not going to have any problem with people collecting winnings from an off shore sports book are they ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 24, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
Here's a nice story.

http://www.beloit.edu/bucs/news.php?category=football#570
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 25, 2009, 10:15:10 PM
I'm so ready for football!  D3, D1, NFL.....bring it on already!!!

Anyone think that our qualifier may get matched up with the NAC champ again?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 26, 2009, 06:06:20 AM
Lets have another undefeated team first and then we can talk about it. But at least in theory I can see it happening.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 27, 2009, 05:21:17 PM
YAWWWWWNNNN!  Scottie is popping his head out during football hibernation.  Starting to get the feeling again, but will probably hit the snooze bar a few times before regularly gracing you all with his presence.  I assume someone has posted the link to the Scots new field installation....

Five more minutes....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ptp231 on July 29, 2009, 02:55:40 PM
Congrats are in order to Tanney QB - Monmouth , Jennings WR - IC , Kotecki G - Monmouth, and Schwindenhammer  T - Monmouth for making the D3football.com Preseason All-American team. All very deserving.

Although we all might be a little biased, who else in the league do you think deserves it..

Baratti LB - Beliot    215 tackles 17.5 TFL and 5 sacks in his 2 years at Beloit
Carter WR - LF        Might? be the active career leader in TD receptions in all of NCAA with 29
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 03, 2009, 09:44:51 AM
I think players report to camp this week so hopefully the news will start to pick up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on August 03, 2009, 12:14:17 PM
Quote from: The Roop on August 03, 2009, 09:44:51 AM
I think players report to camp this week so hopefully the news will start to pick up.

Actually, I don't think that the players do report this week.  I believe that they report next week at the D-3 level.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 04, 2009, 09:06:19 AM
Traveling so I could not respond. End of next week is reporting for the guys. I think 1st practice can be Saturday??    but not absolutely sure.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on August 04, 2009, 10:16:03 AM
  Monmouth players report to camp on the 12th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 09, 2009, 01:11:23 PM
Hello!  Is anybody home?  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 09, 2009, 11:19:03 PM
we're lurking.....waiting to shock the d3 world in week one

predictions

carroll over north park
beloit over macmurray
grinnell over cornell
knox over eureka
monmouth over loras
IC over millikin
lake forest over aurora
ripon over uw oshkosh
snc over wartburg


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 10, 2009, 09:16:01 AM
Most of those games are locks, so I'm not sure how shocked the D3 world will be if the MWC does pull off the sweep. Lake Forest vs. Aurora figures to be the most telling however. A big win should mean that LF is back on track. A close game or a loss probably means another long season for the Foresters.

Right now it looks like Ripon, Monmouth and St. Norbert will compete for the championship and everyone else will compete to see if they can over take Carroll for the 4th spot.

Beloit has it's roster posted and the name you want to keep an eye out for is Dillion Hess. I'm not making him starting QB just yet but Brann has a quick hook so I know he will get his chances. His high school stats weren't as incredulous as I'd heard but they are still very impressive. If he cuts down on the INTs his rating is easily over 100.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on August 10, 2009, 11:07:20 AM
 Will a new coaching staff have a positive effect on LF this season? How good was their recruiting in the off season?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sportsknight on August 10, 2009, 10:17:36 PM
Keep dreaming.  Especially about those last three.

Quote from: MWCfan787 on August 09, 2009, 11:19:03 PM
we're lurking.....waiting to shock the d3 world in week one

predictions

carroll over north park
beloit over macmurray
grinnell over cornell
knox over eureka
monmouth over loras
IC over millikin
lake forest over aurora
ripon over uw oshkosh
snc over wartburg



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 10, 2009, 10:46:14 PM
ripon v oshkosh was 14-13 last yr at oshkosh

norbert doesn't lose alot from last year, wartburg does....and the wartburg has a 6 hr road trip this yr, not norbie

last year monmouth beat aurora 42-13 but it was 35-0 to start and beat lake forest 56-2 but there was a defensive td late game should've ended 49-2....so not a whole lot of difference

for all those to happen is definitely stretching, but not dreaming


Quote from: sportsknight on August 10, 2009, 10:17:36 PM
Keep dreaming.  Especially about those last three.

Quote from: MWCfan787 on August 09, 2009, 11:19:03 PM
we're lurking.....waiting to shock the d3 world in week one

predictions

carroll over north park
beloit over macmurray
grinnell over cornell
knox over eureka
monmouth over loras
IC over millikin
lake forest over aurora
ripon over uw oshkosh
snc over wartburg



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 11, 2009, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: basil991 on August 10, 2009, 11:07:20 AM
Will a new coaching staff have a positive effect on LF this season? How good was their recruiting in the off season?

There are a couple new faces on the staff but it's not a wholesale change type of thing. The head coach was the defensive coordinator the past 3 seasons, etc. Their website only lists returning players for now so what type of recruiting year they had is uncertain. All I know is they need to score some points. The days of 14-10 games in the MWC is over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 11, 2009, 01:58:59 PM
Well there is no doubt that things are starting to get exciting. Camp starts this week. And we have our first set of predictions for the opening weekend of MWC teams. It sure would be sweet if they all come true. Especially the last. MWCfan787, you keep it up. Do not let some others discourage you cheering for MWC teams. The battle of the Knights could be the game of the week in D3!!!!   ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 14, 2009, 04:31:27 PM
GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 17, 2009, 10:34:21 AM
S O R R Y, "D A D."  H A T E  T O  B R E A K  I T  T O  Y O U. . . . M O N M O U T H  F O O T B A L L  I N  2 0 0 9 ! ! !  ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D   :o   :o   :o   :o   :-*   :-*   :-*   :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on August 18, 2009, 06:11:11 PM
Very Calm Board.  What does this mean?

1) The MWC fans are still hoping the cubs can come back.

2) All Packer fans are staying away from the internet until Brett Favre officially retires

or 3) MWC fans are yet to come out of hibernation and watch Monmouth win another MWC Championship.

Perhaps all three

LOOK OUT HERE COMES TOMMY TUCKER
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on August 19, 2009, 11:20:18 AM
got to go with Monmouth here... SNC has been slipping in the dominant role they played in the ealry part of the decade the over last few years.  seems to be a trend for a few sports up there...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 19, 2009, 12:05:09 PM
WOW!  It seems like some really want to get this board going. Great. But I am not going to go down that road. Especially with someone that knows how SNC is doing in all sports over the past decade. I certainly do not. Cubs come back? One can be hopeful, but......   Farve retire? Who cares. I am definitely not a Packer fan, so I can not relate. Monmouth win another MWC Championship? I guess they are the favored team at this time. But they still have to play the games. :)

All I will say at this time is.....


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: partytimescotsfball on August 19, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
I'm new to the board...but what i do expect this year is the scots to take the football title..very high powered offense Only lost 1 starter and have this kid named tanney ;D..young defense they have a very talented d-line..very good safety with some new talented cornerbacks and a lb core that have a lot to prove but have plenty of talent...its going to be a great year and I can't wait to see these games
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 19, 2009, 12:59:20 PM
Party Time, you do have a lot to look forward to. The Scots have a very strong returning offense that proved they can score often and very quickly if required. I am not happy to hear that the defense has some strong replacements. I was hoping that a shootout might be the name of the game. But I assume you will be making a few games. Good luck in all, but one. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 21, 2009, 12:58:43 PM
Figure it's time to make my first apperance in a long while...feels good to be back and I can't wait for the games to start in a couple weeks.

In the 2009 MWC football pre-season coaches poll, Monmouth is picked to repeat as champs; St. Norbert and Ripon picked 2nd and 3rd.  Link to the official release: http://www.midwestconference.org/football/FB_PP_09.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on August 22, 2009, 08:11:39 AM
monmouths defensive line will be dominating we shore up the linebacking crew and  the cornerbacks and safeties should be fine . this should be a great year for the scots lets not forget our oppoents still have to stop the 5th ranked offense in d3 football from last year. oh by the way that is one year older and one year more seasoned .
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 22, 2009, 10:20:07 PM
scots fan:

Regardless of the possible improvement of the Scots defense, I would predict Monmouth will put up nine or ten wins this season, most of which will look like basketball scores.  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on August 24, 2009, 12:53:32 AM
A nice article about Lawrence's freshmen class coming in.

http://www.lawrence.edu/dept/communications/media/sportsnews/0809/081409.html

Food for thought:  about this time of year, I'm really looking for quality info on both prep and dIII college football.  In the era of Twitter, Facebook, and blogging, what do you all think about an increase in pre-seasonal information?  I'm not talking about any sort of thing with player blogs or anything (b/c I don't believe players should be posting, etc.).  And I get that a coach might want to keep things secret.  However, what if someone from the Midwest Conference headquarters traveled to schools to check in or set up people on each campus to report in on the team (be it football or volleyball or whatever)?  Do you think there'd be interest?  I mean, if Aaron Rodgers is constipated on Monday morning, we know by Monday noon, or if Bret Bielema gets liquored up at the bar on Friday, people know by Saturday morning.  Do you think more coverage of our teams would attact viewers and readers?  How many of you know next to nothing about this year's team when the first game is less than 2 weeks away?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 24, 2009, 01:03:10 AM
ahig: 

Your wishes are answered. 

For great preseason information sign up for the D3Football.com annual Kickoff report. 

For update information check in regularly to the web-site throughout the season.  You'll get so much D3 information your head will spin.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 24, 2009, 09:27:41 AM
Additionally, I'm not sure that constipation or pre-game binge drinking is anybodies business. The fish bowl simply should not be that small at the D3 level. Campus spies divulging personal information would only create a guilty until proven innocent ordeal for the individual player as some schools codes of conduct are quite strict on certain matters.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 24, 2009, 10:08:53 AM
Let's see. Pro and D1 get paid to play. D3 plays for love of the game.  ???

We do not need more rumour mills on the internet.

I would love it if coaches or AD's would post info, but it is their choice.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 24, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
I'm sorry but, I'm gonna go against the current.   Also sorry if my thoughts ruin the "purity" of d3 football. (alot are forced by parents to play, just as much as a scholarship would force them)   Let's not sit on a high horse and say d3 is so pure and perfect.

Ahig, I love those ideas.  I would eat it up.  I think you have a good point that if we had as much coverage as the big boys, it would almost make us just a big.  Though most of your ideas I would only follow my own team's stuff, I would still enjoy knowing from an insider at camp that "cecil shorts looks faster this yr, probably put on 10-15 of lean muscle in the offseason....look out!!"

you all say we don't need it, but most of you would follow something like that
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 24, 2009, 04:44:16 PM
I don't think there is anything controversial about Cecil Shorts gaining weight and getting faster this year. News like that would be welcome information and I doubt anyone would have a problem with it "getting out" so to speak. From my perspective it seems that Ahig is more interested in the gossip end of things and there's no need for that. The NCAA microscope is big enough already and we don't need any friendly fire incidents to make it bigger.

Trust me, I've heard plenty of stories over the years and some have been down right rotflmao funny. Yet when it involves personal information I never share it because it has no place on a public message board.

For example: Polly Propylene (an engineering student) has quite the reputation but she doesn't play any sports so nobody cares. Put her on the volleyball team and suddenly everybody wants to know about it.

FYI. Cecil and Polly are secretly engaged.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 24, 2009, 06:05:38 PM
Ahig - if you are trying to find out whether it's true that the Vikings actually were planning to fly both Tanney brothers to training camp for a last minute tryout - in case Bret Favruh had stayed retarred - you won't get it on THIS board.   :D

p.s.  For all of you Scottie fans out there, I will be making an appearance for the season opener and stadium dedication.  Feel free to join in and rub elbows.


A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  B A G P I P E S ? ? ? ?   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 24, 2009, 06:28:24 PM
That's nice Scottie but I'm just waiting until 9/12/09 so I can get "Ole Painless" out of the case and start playing some string music again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on August 24, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
Hey Roop,

From my perspective, your perspective was wrong.  Don't care about gossip.  That was my way of poking fun at the media and their sometimes outlandish reporting.  Unfortunately, when conversing like this, no one truly understands one's tone.  Thanks for the scolding though, Chet.

Warthog, awesome idea.  But how "in depth" can that publication really get?  Not enough for me to purchase it.  There are two things in this world that I won't pay for...ok, one, and that's info on my team, my conference..."no ordinary conference" mind you.  I do and will check d3 football.com often.

In closing, I check area newspapers every day and this time a year, with d3 camps open all around, there is no mention of anything.  Go on midwestconference.org and there's no "A word or two with Coach So-and-so."  I'm just curious (about the teams mind you and the football players and their football player-ness) and want to learn more.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 24, 2009, 11:38:16 PM
Ahig: Once the season starts, you'll get more out of this site than you ever dreamed of.  The New Roop Order guarantees it!


;D (Monmouth Guy) "You can't catch me!"                               >:( :'( >:( :'( (Knox Guys)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 25, 2009, 09:03:58 AM
ahig, I believe I know what you are talking about. This is my 3rd year on this site. Glad I found it when I did. If the information would come only from the coaches or a designated representative of the coaches, that would probably be enjoyed by a lot of us.

I just do not want this to expand into what D1 and Pro have turned into. It seems like those guys are under the microscope way too much.

There will be a lot of information on this site mixed in with a fair amount of chit chat. The Roop will keep us all up to date on the powerhouse Beloit and how they will sweep the MWC.  ;D

scottie will remind us of all the great things that Monmouth has or will do with that offense they have put together.  ;)

I probably will not provide much insight to SNC as I would get severely pounded on by a group of guys, but I will be very partial to the Green Knights. The last thing you need from me is that this player was seen in a bar the night before a game, or that player developed a sore toe from water skiing. Or maybe another one put a fish hook into his finger and may be out for 3-5 weeks. We don't need that sort of stuff.

Would I like to know who has filled in that hole in the secondary, or came to camp in outstanding shape and will be a force? Yes. That is information that we would all like to hear. I just don't think that the majority of the coaches are going to share that info for a couple reasons. 1. Do not give away any info to the other team you do not have to. 2. Do not give a player the opportunity to let up on their drive to be better.

We are under 2 weeks away. I am getting very excited to see these guys play again. The answers are coming on the field. I am also looking forward to the camaraderie of parents at the tailgating. What a great time of year.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 25, 2009, 12:32:34 PM
67 days until Spatula Bowl II
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 25, 2009, 05:28:42 PM
sncOLDad: Each post of mine is completely objective.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 25, 2009, 05:55:24 PM
Just like mine scottie. Just like mine.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2009, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: ahig on August 24, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
Hey Roop,

From my perspective, your perspective was wrong.  Don't care about gossip.  That was my way of poking fun at the media and their sometimes outlandish reporting.  Unfortunately, when conversing like this, no one truly understands one's tone.  Thanks for the scolding though, Chet.

Warthog, awesome idea.  But how "in depth" can that publication really get?  Not enough for me to purchase it.  There are two things in this world that I won't pay for...ok, one, and that's info on my team, my conference..."no ordinary conference" mind you.  I do and will check d3 football.com often.

In closing, I check area newspapers every day and this time a year, with d3 camps open all around, there is no mention of anything.  Go on midwestconference.org and there's no "A word or two with Coach So-and-so."  I'm just curious (about the teams mind you and the football players and their football player-ness) and want to learn more.

You don't need info on your own team, no doubt. You should know that better than we do, though I would hope that there's at least one nugget that you didn't know in your own team's capsule.

But where does your team stack up in Division III? Where does your conference? (Hint, perhaps the MWC got a jump in our rankings since last year.)

If you want quality info, you're on the right site. You may not be able to get it for free, though. We need to keep the lights on and advertising doesn't fully cover the server bills, costs of covering games, etc.

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/ -- $9.95, $5.95 if you have a .edu email address.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 25, 2009, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2009, 10:16:32 PM
But where does your team stack up in Division III? Where does your conference? (Hint, perhaps the MWC got a jump in our rankings since last year.)

I'm pretty sure that this "hint" means that Pat already knows that UW-Whitewater and Mt. Union will be on the same half of the bracket this year, opposite the MWC Champion, to set up the ultimate showdown in the title game.

You heard it here first.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on August 26, 2009, 08:09:10 AM
roop ,Intresting perspective on the title game . i must agree i like it though it all boils down to monmouth,s defense can they step up and get a few critcal stops when they need them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 26, 2009, 12:24:31 PM
We need another undefeated MWC Champion for my theory to be realized. A regular season loss by Mt. Union wouldn't hurt either; and by my calculations they are due for one. So as they say on Mythbusters, this is plausible.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 26, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
scottie, I don't think you are on the right track. I believe it comes down to St. Norbert's Defense getting those few critical stops, not Monmouth's.  :D

Other than that, I agree.  ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 26, 2009, 01:04:56 PM
You might want to check that post again SNCOLDAD because Scots Fan, not scottie, mentioned Monmouths defense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 26, 2009, 03:55:24 PM
I stand corrected Roop.    :o

Sorry scots fan for the error.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 26, 2009, 04:27:27 PM
Was just wondering for conversation........who does everyone think gave St. Norbert the two votes for first place in the conference this year?

I almost think Coach Bell might've voted against his own team to keep a "we ain't done sh*t yet, it's us against the world" attitude on the team.  I guarantee there has been many statement practices thus far to prevent the Scots from getting big heads or becoming complacent.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 26, 2009, 04:59:44 PM
Do you recall what the vote was last year? I think it was the same or possibly more for SNC!  :)
And then things changed. A lot of different things happened that were not expected before the season started.  :o  It could be that a couple coaches remembered why they voted the way they did last year and feel the same this year?  ???  And did Ripon get a vote last year? And yet they took 2nd?   :o 

No doubt that Monmouth, before a game has been played, has a very strong offense.  :D

But since it is so much the same as last year, why did they get only one or two votes last year? Or you could say since it is the same as last year, why are they getting 6 or 7 more votes this year?

Unfortunately we do not know who voted for what team and why. Let's hope they did not just say whoever won conference last year gets my vote. But that appears to be it.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 26, 2009, 05:30:56 PM
My guess is that coaches, for sportsmanship purposes, vote for a team other than their own.  If that adds to any positive psychological/poster board material for the coaches, all the better. 

As for the Scots defense, I'm not willing to jump on the basketball score bandwagon.  They gave up a fraction over 2 touchdowns for the entire season, in addition to several very impressive national rankings. Regardless of the personnel, I'm sure that Coach Braun's side of the ball will continue to be up to the challenge.  If the other team's plan is to score 50 points and win a shootout, good luck with that.

C A N  Y O U  S M E L L  W H A T  T H E  S C O T S  A R E  C O O K I N ' ? ? ? ?    8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 26, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
I agree with Scottie, the starters coming back on defense were not average starters last year, every starter coming back is a beast.  I think that d-line might dominate, and if you win the battle at the line of scrimmage it goes a long way, and sean wells is all over the field at safety coming back...if you asked the coaching staff to pick just one secondary player to keep from last yr it would've been him.  The new linebackers will have a lot of help to find their way.

Also agree with SNCOLDAD about games not being played yet....I mean I hate to open old wounds but people forget because of the way Wartburg scored the winning td w/ 7 seconds left, but in my opinion the real reason the Scots didn't move on to the quarters last yr was because Wartburg found a way to shut down the Scots offense for 30 mins.  Members of the Scots offense should have a scoreless second half against Wartburg more in the forefront of their mind than the preseason hype they are getting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 27, 2009, 09:44:56 AM
I don't mean to quickly divert the conversation from MWCfan787's second paragraph or anything.... :-X :), but, what's going on with the recent "pop-ups" connected to this site? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 27, 2009, 09:47:52 AM
Something about a mulberry bush, a monkey and a weasel is what I heard.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2009, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 27, 2009, 09:44:56 AM
I don't mean to quickly divert the conversation from MWCfan787's second paragraph or anything.... :-X :), but, what's going on with the recent "pop-ups" connected to this site? 

Is that true? I had seen some pop-unders on my computer but couldn't tell where they were coming from. Guess it's time to change ad brokers again. I'll keep a closer eye out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 27, 2009, 01:52:57 PM
But Erin is sooooooo cute!!!!   :P

787, you get it. Unfortunately you never know what is going to happen once the game begins. Is your beast really better than the other beast? Is the running back running a fever and not the ball? Is the quarterback having an eigthback day?  ;D You get the picture.

Wart burg found a way for 30 minutes. Will another team do the same this year? Or will the scots correct whatever happened?

A lot of ifs that all of us are looking forward to see unfold starting in just over a week.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: partytimescotsfball on August 27, 2009, 02:38:00 PM
Scottie I'm not to sure that Wartburg necessarily found a way to stop monmouths offense, I actually think that coach bell just became very conservative with his play calling because of the two touchdown lead he had at half.  He relied on his defense to hold them the rest of the game.  Monmouth had a very good defense but they were on the field a lot the second half of that game.  So I'm not sure there is a whole lot you can do to really game plan against monmouths offense with all of the weapons they have, they don't have a weak spot on that side of the ball.  So it comes down to bells play calling. The defense the other hand is a different story.  They will have the best d line in the conference which is key for that young linebacking core and for the db's.  A lot of pressure will give any team problems.  Should be an exciting season tho
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 27, 2009, 03:36:03 PM
P.C.  Thanks for looking into it.  It's not EVERY time, but it's borderline annoying. 

Partytime:  I think your post is meant to be in response to 787.  But good points you have.

Why do I suddenly have the theme song for Waynes World in my head.....?   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 27, 2009, 04:11:38 PM
OK. Here we go. It has started.

Party, "The best d line in the conference"???????   

OK. If you say so!!!!!! Bold statement. But of course you know all of the d lines in the conference and based your statement on first hand knowledge.   ;D


SURE!     NOT   

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on August 27, 2009, 10:23:43 PM
Coaches are not allowed to vote for their own team in the preseason poll. That is why it is a unanimous decision if a team receives nine votes.

Monmouth lost last year because they didn't run the ball on third and one with 1:20 left. Just saying...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 27, 2009, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on August 27, 2009, 10:23:43 PM
Monmouth lost last year because they didn't run the ball on third and one with 1:20 left. Just saying...

....and if the fox hadn't stopped to take a dump he would have caught the rabbit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 27, 2009, 10:55:03 PM
Quote from: warthog on August 27, 2009, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on August 27, 2009, 10:23:43 PM
Monmouth lost last year because they didn't run the ball on third and one with 1:20 left. Just saying...

....and if the fox hadn't stopped to take a dump he would have caught the rabbit.

And you both may be right!  Ain't armchair post-mortem speculation grand? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 28, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
"I'm not here to talk about the past."

                                  McGwire (2005)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 31, 2009, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: The Roop on August 25, 2009, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2009, 10:16:32 PM
But where does your team stack up in Division III? Where does your conference? (Hint, perhaps the MWC got a jump in our rankings since last year.)

I'm pretty sure that this "hint" means that Pat already knows that UW-Whitewater and Mt. Union will be on the same half of the bracket this year, opposite the MWC Champion, to set up the ultimate showdown in the title game.

You heard it here first.  ;)

Funny, I had a similar thought, and that'll get touched on in the first Around the Nation. I mean about UWW/MUC being in the same half of the bracket more than the surprise MWC champ.

Not that it can't happen  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 31, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
Mary Hardin-Baylor probably wouldn't mind if my seeding predictions turned out to be correct either.

Monmouth, St. Norbert(s) and Ripon are the contenders in the MWC; not sure if there will be a surprise winner.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2009, 09:38:03 AM
Oh come on Roop. If Monmouth doesn't win the conference, then it has to be a surprise. Just ask scottie and all the others. As far as most of the Monmouth fans on this board, they should already be in the play-offs and seeded #1.

Of course, there are a few of us that just don't like Red Kool-Aid.

I prefer GREEN

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 31, 2009, 09:42:31 AM
Tanney is too valuable as a passer for Coach Bell to design many running plays for him. So it's very simple. Defend Monmouth with 5 down linemen, drop 6 in coverage and ignore the QB. But I'm sure MWC coaches have thought of this already.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2009, 10:18:33 AM
I've got Monmouth going 6-4 this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 31, 2009, 12:10:20 PM
scottie, if Monmouth goes 6-4, Beloit will win the MWC. Stop down playing and start talking reality.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on August 31, 2009, 12:40:10 PM
I can see ripon and norbert both competing with monmouth... but I dont think either of them are going to have enough weapons on defense to compete with the high scoring offense of monmouth...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2009, 12:56:50 PM
I have MC losing to Beloit, Lawrence, IC and Carroll. 

Will post more later, but I've just finished a glass of blue Kool-Aid and need to gets me a refill.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: steelhawk on August 31, 2009, 03:45:40 PM
Coming down south to watch the Duhawks take on Monmouth.  I hope we can at least hang in there to keep it close.  Sounds like Monmouth will be big up front again and put a lot of points on the scoreboard. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 01, 2009, 11:20:50 AM
Scottie knows it's only Tuesday, but for those of you who are MC fans, or are just fascinated by the MC way of life, check out the following link and click on the video option. Between now and 1:00 Saturday, it will be the best 5 minutes of your week.  Goose bumps are free of charge. 

http://www.monm.edu/pipeband/photo-gallery.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on September 01, 2009, 01:41:49 PM
 i saw monmouths scrimmage on saturday  and i came away feeling alot better about the defense than i anticipated. they actually kept tanney and co pretty well in check as well as tanney and co can be kept in check . they really do have a very outstanding defensive line they have 2 stud d ends and the kid that plays inside is very good as well. I believe monmouth runs the table this year in the mwc sorry sncoldad. they do however have a tough game sat against loras who has 15 starters back from last year. this should be a good year for scott fans and i cant wait for the norbert game at home this year sncoldad i hope your ready.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 01, 2009, 01:49:31 PM
I really did not want to hear that their d-line looks good!   :-\  I am sure you understand why.

Both MC and SNC have tough opening games. We have Wartburg coming to De Pere and I believe they are ranked pretty high in the pre-season polls. I suspect MC will handle Loras just fine as I think I saw they were middle of the pack in their conference predictions.

And, God willing, I will be at that game at MC. Was there 2 years ago. Anxious to see the renovations that have taken place.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on September 01, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
 scottie , what are you drinking monmouth 6- 4  that has to be a pipe dream . sottie if monmouth goes 6-4 i will pay homage to you the rest of my life on this message board as being one of the greatest forecasters that ever lived. monmouth goes 6-4 go beloit all the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 02, 2009, 08:19:15 AM
While I appreciate all the tongue in cheek Beloit support, they were picked 6th for a reason. Graduation wasn't kind to the O-line so another 5-5 campaign will be a good year. 6-4 is a possibility but 7-3 is reaching quite a bit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2009, 01:25:21 PM
OK. This weeks games are here.

Wartburg at St. Norbert, 1 p.m.
Beloit at MacMurray, 1 p.m.
Cornell at Grinnell, 1 p.m.
Illinois College at Millikin, 1 p.m.
Knox at Eureka, 1 p.m.
Lake Forest at Aurora, 1 p.m.
Loras at Monmouth, 1 p.m.
UW-Oshkosh at Ripon, 1 p.m.
Carroll at North Park, 7 p.m.

Beloit Better win. I mean, does MacMurray have a football team? Didn't when I was in college.  ;)
Illinois College should keep the MWC in the win column.
Knox at Eureka. zzzzzzzzzzzz  Knox
Carroll at North Park starts the tougher games to call. Come on Carroll
Ripon I think will go down. Tough game.
Lake Forest at Aurora. Aurora is close to me so I will go with Aurora
Cornell at Grinnell.  ???  Grinnell  ;D

That leaves Monmouth vs. Loras. Monmouth in a route.

And the game of the week is Wartburg at St Norbert.  :o  Of course I will pick St Norbert. But this will be a rough and tumble game with a lot of bruises after all is said and done.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 02, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
My picks this week are as follows:

Wartburg over St. Norbert... very close game
Beloit over MacMurray... I'm assuming blowout
Cornell over Grinnell... ?? I'm just picking off past years
Millikin over IC?...IC still needs to put everything together
Knox over Eureka...Eureka yikes
Aurora over Lake Forest.. also close game
Carroll over North Park... yeah... blowout
Lawrence- notch this one up for the W get some good practices in for the season cuz I'm sure they will need it.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 02, 2009, 01:57:36 PM
I forgot to my pick for Monmouth vs Loras.... Monmouth by a lot
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2009, 02:04:40 PM
And Ripon Game  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 02, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
I made my picks awhile ago calling for a clean MWC sweep....but now I'll pick as if I really had money on the line

Beloit  by 2 tds
Cornell  by 1 score
Millikin  by 2 tds
Knox  by 1 score
Aurora  by 2 tds
Monmouth  by 2 tds
Oshkosh  by 2 scores
Wartburg  by a td
Carroll  by alot
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 02, 2009, 09:38:02 PM
I am slacking here with all the games in the Midwest Conference, I forgot yet another game thanks SNOLDAD. I'm taking Oshkosh over Ripon, it will be close early but Oshkosh will pull away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: partytimescotsfball on September 03, 2009, 09:03:32 AM
Wartburg over Norbert
Beloit over that tough MacMurray team
Grinell over Cornell
Millikin over IC
Knox over EEuuureeka
Aurora over Lake Forest
My fighting scots over Loras
Oshkosh over Ripon
Carroll over North Park

Hoping for the clean sweep but there are gonna be some really close games.  Good luck to everyones teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2009, 01:48:16 PM
Glad to see the board finally heating up a bit.  It feels like it's taken forever and a day for this first weekend of games to get here!  Predictions coming tomorrow...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mustangsfootball on September 03, 2009, 02:19:33 PM
Some quick questions as I am now back in the desert:

Does Ripon have that outside linebacker back, I believe he was #7, and do they have the other weapons necessary to take on Monmouth, SNC, and Carroll?

Will Grinnell finally get out of the cellar of the conference? Will Lawrence do better this year or will they continue to struggle?

Has knox improved on their recruiting or will they continue to be i th bottom half of the conference?

Besides Tanney what other weapons does Monmouth have returning on offense? Will they go undefeated in conference play?

What has Beloit done to replace the losses of whitmore, Anderson, Williams, Allen, Eith, and Tapp? Have they brought in linemen that can step up and fill these gaps and allow Steward and company o dat around the field!?! IS Goldufsky back to full health and will he play DT or DE?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 03, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
some quick answers

dunno bout #7 but Ripon returns most of its starters on the defensive side which was the heartbeat of the team, so yes i think they will be right up near the top again

Grinnell will not be the bottom team by my guess, but not by much....Lawrence will be

If Knox ever improved their recruiting we would know the apocalypse was coming

Monmouth's is built off throwing to whoever is open they are deep enough they don't have to force it to anyone....both running backs are back too, the sophomore back caleb pratt might be the breakout player of the conference if he plays up to his potential

dunno bout beloit....from what i hear from The Roop, another 5-5 year will be a welcome success

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 03, 2009, 02:42:28 PM
Tanney returns, jr., All-American
4 (seniors) of 5 O-lineman return, two of whom are All-American.
3 seniors and 2 junior WRs return.
4 of top 5 RBs return.
Led DIII with almost 47 ppg last year.

So, the offense should click just enough to reach Scottie's "6-4" prediction.

Scottie touches down (pardon the pun) in Monmouth in 22 hours.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 03, 2009, 03:21:34 PM
Nothing of significants to report from the Beloit camp. A nick here, a nick there; but otherwise Beloit will be 100% when they travel to MacMurray. I attended this game last year @Beloit and MacMurray did have a stud QB and a stud WR. Not much else however. This year they only have a stud WR and list 2 freshmen QBs on their roster.

Hard to predict non-conference games but RoopVegas says take Beloit -17.5 and jump the over at 48.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 03, 2009, 10:43:05 PM
Interesting that you MWC posters have more confidence in my Orange Knights than I do.  I hope you are right and I am wrong.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 03, 2009, 11:49:17 PM
I can't speak for everyone but I think many are only looking at the score of last years game. SNC didn't lose as many to graduation as Wartburg did and that isn't mentioned enough. Now that NRO1 is roadworthy again I may make the trip over as it should be a good game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 04, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
warthog, thank you for the respect. The game last year was closer than the score dictated but never the less a Wartburg victory well deserved. I will pick SNC. I have to. But I have to say this could be a game worth seeing. God willing I will not miss a second.

Warthog, if I remember you cannot make the trip. Roop, good to hear you might. 2 days away. What an awesome time of year.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2009, 10:44:26 AM
My status went from might to probably not as I was just reminded that I am helping a friend move tomorrow. Hopefully she doesn't have too many helpers and we get done early enough for me to make the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 04, 2009, 12:18:08 PM
Picks for Week 1:

Beloit @ MacMurray - BC
Cornell @ Grinnell - CC
Illinois C. @ Millikin - MU
Knox @ Eureka - KC
Lake Forest @ Aurora - AU
Loras @ Monmouth - MC
UW-Oshkosh @ Ripon - UWO
Wartburg @ St. Norbert - WC
Carroll @ North Park - CU

I'll be at Monmouth for the first game at the newly finished April Zorn Stadium...the place looks great!  scottie, keep an eye out for me on Saturday.  Good luck Fighting Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
Maverick, how can you go to the football game when the Beloit volleyball team will be playing in Monmouth at the same time ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 04, 2009, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 04, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
Maverick, how can you go to the football game when the Beloit volleyball team will be playing in Monmouth at the same time ??

:D  That's why you're the king, Roop! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
And with my first royal decree....................................

Brett Favre shall start two games for the Vikings, thereby giving him the all time record for consecutive starts at any position, and then retire for the final time. Taking the $6,000,000 guarantee and running in other words. You heard it here first, thus sayeth The Roop.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 05, 2009, 09:05:49 AM
It is a beautiful day in De Pere.  ;D  We decided last minute last night to make the drive so we got up here late last night. Nice to sleep in a little and already here.  :D

Looking forward to the many "FLYOVERS" at the game.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on September 05, 2009, 03:52:42 PM
25-7 Monmouth at Halftime!!  Stadium looks great.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
SNC and Wartburg tied at 21 early 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2009, 04:38:18 PM
SNC and WU tied at 28 with.9:44 left 4th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
SNC ties it at 35 on a TD as time expires. Bonus football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2009, 05:17:01 PM
SNC wins 42-35 in OT, stopping WU on 4th and 2 on the last play. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 05, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Monmouth 39-20 over Loras
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2009, 05:57:06 PM
Just got home from Minahan Stadium, so not writing on the Blackberry anymore.

Wow, what a game.

Wartburg has an excellent offensive line. Made some huge holes and gave the QB lots of time. He's very good as well. WU used at least three running backs, with #1 the best of the bunch.

St. Norbert was playing catchup most of the day, but was matching WU TD for TD all afternoon.

Wartburg was hurt by penalties. Lots of them. One personal foul blow to the head was questionable, and one pass interference called on an orange Knight defender was a bad call. But even taking those two, WU had too many penalties on both sides of the ball.

SNC had two turnovers, both inside the WU 30. But WU couldn't convert either time. The second SNC turnover was with less than 3:00 left, but SNC forced the punt and drove down the field in the last 1:40.

SNC was stopped at the 1 as the clock rolled. Finally spiked it with 3.5 left, but then got a delay penalty, backing up to the 6. A fade pass TD was successful as time expired. And, despite another SNC penalty on the EXP, the kick was good. Bonus football.

SNC scored on 2 plays.

WU got down to the 2, and was eventually faced with a 4th and goal from the 2. Tried to run it in but was stopped.

Final, OT
St. Norbert - 42
Wartburg - 35

Sat by some very nice Wartburg people.

All in all a very entertaining game. Closely contested. Some nice plays and players on both sides of the ball. Wartburg just had too many penalties, couldn't convert on turnovers and couldn't put SNC away. SNC hung in there all afternoon, didn't let WU get away from them, and then made the plays at the crunch time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 05, 2009, 06:12:51 PM
sounds like a wild one....good to see snc battle

so this sets up a possible oct. 10th showdown of undefeated teams
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 05, 2009, 06:18:39 PM
btw....tanney passed for 341 yds 4 tds and no ints
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 05, 2009, 06:35:37 PM
Beloit 39 MacMurray 22. No stats at this time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2009, 06:40:13 PM
UW-Oshkosh 40
Ripon 16
Final

Jeremy Roach ran for two TDs and caught a third as the Titans win in Ripon.

http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2009/Stats/WORCFB01.HTM
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: siwash on September 05, 2009, 08:24:34 PM
Eureka 28 Knox 13.  Really!?!?  Embarrassing, as if we weren't already.  sad sad sad!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 05, 2009, 08:30:02 PM
Due to website issues Beloit can't post stats at this time but the game story is up. Looks like it was 33-0 before they called off the dogs and MacMurray got some late mop up points. No confusing the UMAC for the WIAC but I think this is a very good performance to start the year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 06, 2009, 12:24:04 AM
Congratulations to the Green Knights.  :'(

As I had said earlier this week, I had concerns about my Orange Knights.  :-\

It sounds like it was a fun game to watch as long as you don't care for defense.  ;)

Hopefully we will get a chance for a rematch in November.  ::)

Good luck the rest of the way.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 06, 2009, 01:06:21 AM
Final from Chicago:

North Park 17
Carroll 10
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 06, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
North Park vs Carroll was a sloppy game played by on all sides of the ball. Two big plays doomed the Pios in this one. A reverse flea flicker for about 50 yards was the nail in the coffin as the Vikings showed that they can be a pretty good team when all things do click for them. Hoping that Carroll rights the ship for next week and the rest of the season after this one or else it could be a long season for the Pioneers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 07, 2009, 12:03:35 AM
Monmouth had an interesting move in the poll.  They won convincingly and two teams ahead of them lost.....yet they drop 2 spots to 14 as 4 teams jumped them
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 07, 2009, 12:20:40 AM
MWC finishes 3-6 on the weekend....ouch!

impressive wins for Monmouth and SNC...but the rest of conference showed our lack of depth and why we rank so low as a conference according to the website
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 07, 2009, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 07, 2009, 12:03:35 AM
Monmouth had an interesting move in the poll.  They won convincingly and two teams ahead of them lost.....yet they drop 2 spots to 14 as 4 teams jumped them

The IIAC had a losing record and that probably didn't help Monmouth in the poll. St. Norbert received fewer votes than Wartburg even though they beat them. Ohio Northern had a big win but I'm not sure they should go from unranked to as high as they are now. Always lots of issues with early season rankings.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2009, 12:56:08 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 07, 2009, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 07, 2009, 12:03:35 AM
Monmouth had an interesting move in the poll.  They won convincingly and two teams ahead of them lost.....yet they drop 2 spots to 14 as 4 teams jumped them

The IIAC had a losing record and that probably didn't help Monmouth in the poll. St. Norbert received fewer votes than Wartburg even though they beat them. Ohio Northern had a big win but I'm not sure they should go from unranked to as high as they are now. Always lots of issues with early season rankings.

Monmouth was the first example I cited in a post on 'head-scratchers' on the Top 25 thread (General Football).  Monmouth beat the Kickoff #100 team by 19; Case Western beat the #206 team by 12.  Monmouth fell 2 slots, while Case rose 3 and jumped Monmouth - THAT is a head-scratcher! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2009, 01:15:07 AM
What is Monmouth's gaudy ranking based off of? Primarily a close loss at home to Wartburg in last year's playoffs. The playoff win against Aurora is meaningless from a rankings perspective -- look where Aurora is.

Wartburg made Monmouth look good in 2008 by a strong result -- albeit a loss -- at UW-Whitewater in the regional final. Wartburg 2009 made Monmouth 2009 look bad by losing to St. Norbert.

Without much 2009 data to go on here on Sept. 6, I am sure re-evaluating Wartburg caused enough voters to re-evaluate Monmouth. And of course, one has to keep in mind that Monmouth actually gained points from last week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on September 07, 2009, 12:36:46 PM
I was most impressed with monmouths linebacker marcus ruff.
He is a junior and led the team with tackles saturday with 10... but he also got hurt midway through the 2nd quarter... and did not play the rest of the game... While he was in he recorded 3 solo tackles, 7 assisted tackles, and also had an interception...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 07, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2009, 01:15:07 AM
What is Monmouth's gaudy ranking based off of? Primarily a close loss at home to Wartburg in last year's playoffs. The playoff win against Aurora is meaningless from a rankings perspective -- look where Aurora is.

Wartburg made Monmouth look good in 2008 by a strong result -- albeit a loss -- at UW-Whitewater in the regional final. Wartburg 2009 made Monmouth 2009 look bad by losing to St. Norbert.

Without much 2009 data to go on here on Sept. 6, I am sure re-evaluating Wartburg caused enough voters to re-evaluate Monmouth. And of course, one has to keep in mind that Monmouth actually gained points from last week.

How could 2009 Wartburg make 2009 Monmouth look bad...they didn't play each other.  Last year's team was last years team.  Wartburg lost a decent amount of starters from 08....Monmouth did not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 07, 2009, 09:13:36 PM
With week 1 in the books, I came out 6-3 with my picks, but it is another week and this week it really counts with conference games. Looking at week two's games it does not look like there could be any upsets, but than again thats why they play the game. I'm picking early this week because I may not be able to later in the week.

Week 2:
IC vs Knox- IC
Monmouth vs Lawrence- Monmouth Big
Ripon vs Lake Forest- Could be a close one, Ripon wins this one.
St. Norbert vs Grinnell- Norbert Big
Carroll vs Beliot- (Pio-Buc Trophy) on the line in this one, but trophy stays in Waukesha.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2009, 09:24:30 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 07, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2009, 01:15:07 AM
What is Monmouth's gaudy ranking based off of? Primarily a close loss at home to Wartburg in last year's playoffs. The playoff win against Aurora is meaningless from a rankings perspective -- look where Aurora is.

Wartburg made Monmouth look good in 2008 by a strong result -- albeit a loss -- at UW-Whitewater in the regional final. Wartburg 2009 made Monmouth 2009 look bad by losing to St. Norbert.

Without much 2009 data to go on here on Sept. 6, I am sure re-evaluating Wartburg caused enough voters to re-evaluate Monmouth. And of course, one has to keep in mind that Monmouth actually gained points from last week.

How could 2009 Wartburg make 2009 Monmouth look bad...they didn't play each other.  Last year's team was last years team.  Wartburg lost a decent amount of starters from 08....Monmouth did not.

I agree that there is something askew with that logic.  But I guess you can't fight City Hall.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 08, 2009, 09:06:22 AM
I used to think that there were 3 answers to every question....now I believe there might be 4.
1. Right Answer
2. Wrong Answer
3. Government Answer
4. And the new one, The Ranking Panel for D3 Answer.  ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 08, 2009, 09:15:39 AM
Another interpretation for your 4th rule is:

4. You lose ground in the poll for not being in the OAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2009, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 07, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2009, 01:15:07 AM
What is Monmouth's gaudy ranking based off of? Primarily a close loss at home to Wartburg in last year's playoffs. The playoff win against Aurora is meaningless from a rankings perspective -- look where Aurora is.

Wartburg made Monmouth look good in 2008 by a strong result -- albeit a loss -- at UW-Whitewater in the regional final. Wartburg 2009 made Monmouth 2009 look bad by losing to St. Norbert.

Without much 2009 data to go on here on Sept. 6, I am sure re-evaluating Wartburg caused enough voters to re-evaluate Monmouth. And of course, one has to keep in mind that Monmouth actually gained points from last week.

How could 2009 Wartburg make 2009 Monmouth look bad...they didn't play each other.  Last year's team was last years team.  Wartburg lost a decent amount of starters from 08....Monmouth did not.

It's like you didn't read my whole post. I'll make the key part bigger for you.

Without much 2009 data to go on here on Sept. 6, I am sure re-evaluating Wartburg caused enough voters to re-evaluate Monmouth.

What is a preseason ranking based on, exactly? 2008 results plus a certain amount of guesswork. You don't think guesswork can change, either?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 08, 2009, 12:04:53 PM
Whoa Pat. Easy. I meant it as a joke. Sorry. I fully understand what you were saying. And I agree.

I did not mean to make it sound like I was slamming you or the group that puts out the Top 25.

I fully apologize as that is obviously how it came off.

Totally my fault for stating it the way I did.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2009, 12:16:40 PM
I was really talking to 787, whose post I was quoting. But I think Midwest Conference fans should probably realize that we have ranked conference teams far more realistically than the AFCA poll does.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 08, 2009, 01:38:14 PM
We would all like to think we are in a tough conference. But the realities are we have a team in our conference that got beat by EUREKA!!! 

But seriously, I understand where you are coming from I think. This early in the season you have to look at last years teams. Take into account loss of seniors. Also look at history of rebuilding from that loss. I would love to say that since Wartburg was ranked, and SNC beat them, now SNC should be ranked. It just does not work that way.

Give it time 787. Things will shake out over the next few weeks. Really, does it matter right now if you are ranked 14 or 16 or 25? Not really. Your team has earned respect, but to lead the nation in offense was it? Against a conference that has a team that lost to Eureka?   Let's see what developes. Wartburg may come back real strong and win out. Then what?

Pat, thanks for the clarification.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 08, 2009, 02:05:52 PM
I've got no problem with where Monmouth was in the polls...its still very respectable for a team that hasn't done anything yet.

My whole issue was where they were last week compared to this week considering week 1 results.

Sorry Pat, didn't know people were analyzing their polls that much and forever linking Monmouth to Wartburg.... I can only wish they don't continue to link the Scots with a team that lost 10 starters on defense....and that is 2009 info you can go on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 08, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this one but here's a thought. No football polls until October and no basketball polls until January. This should eliminate previous years speculation in both sports. Until then, don't put too much stock in early season polls.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 08, 2009, 02:38:47 PM
Well there's always gonna be alot of changes and surprises..that's why they play the games.

I like to have them there though for fun.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 08, 2009, 03:12:49 PM
Just play football and the rankings will sort themselves out for crying out loud!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 08, 2009, 03:17:11 PM
Knock it off Footballfan99, you're being too absolute. I'm waffling back and forth to fan the flames of conspiracy. Let the master practice his art.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 08, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
Norbie fans:

Who all saw the game?  Who impressed you? Did you notice a difference with the new D coordinator?  Are you worried or excited for the matchup on October 10th in Monmouth?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 08, 2009, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 08, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
Norbie fans:

Who all saw the game?  Who impressed you? Did you notice a difference with the new D coordinator?  Are you worried or excited for the matchup on October 10th in Monmouth?
Defense was the problem with SNC last season.  Hard to tell if it has improved after just one game...giving up over 500 yards of offense to Wartburg.  My guess is the Oct. 10 contest will be a high scoring affair...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 09, 2009, 09:46:50 AM
I had previous reports from others on how the scrimmage looked a week earlier. Taking that and what I saw on Saturday against Wartburg, I am very excited about the season. There is no doubt that the defense is still in a very steep learning curve. Our old coach for the D is a very capable coach as witnessed by a few of the previous teams. I am sure the new D coach is also very capable. But as with any new system it will take a while to sort out the confusion  ??? and get it done right. I believe there were 2 times that there were only 10 men on the D side of the ball.  :(

But you may want to look at it this way. In spite of some confusion from time to time, we stopped them 4 and out with under 2 minutes to go in the game to get the ball back after fumbling it away. And then in the OT, Wartburg did not score!!  Maybe it is starting to click already.  ::)

I see where someone said Wartburg lost 10 starters on Defense. How many did they lose on Offense? Curious.



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on September 09, 2009, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 09, 2009, 09:46:50 AM

I see where someone said Wartburg lost 10 starters on Defense. How many did they lose on Offense? Curious.



GO GREEN KNIGHTS

I believe 4 O-Linemen, both wide outs and the tight end. Plus the punter and kicker. Don't feel to bad for them, they will still be a hand full before the year is over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2009, 11:14:41 AM
Sept. 12 
Illinois College at Knox - 1 p.m.  Illinois College
Monmouth at Lawrence - 1 p.m.  Monmouth
Ripon at Lake Forest - 1 p.m.  Ripon, but close ??? Maybe not.
St. Norbert at Grinnell - 1 p.m.  Uh, Umm, Hmmm, Tough Call. SNC Of Course
Carroll at Beloit - 7 p.m.  Carroll should but The Roop has me thinking a little.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on September 10, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
rankings are great but injuries play a big factor in the performance of a football team . the real good football teams are the teams with depth and that  is something  i dont see in the mwc this year. that is not saying Monmouth is a really good football team but a few key injuries and they go from being a real good football team to a real average football team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 10, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
agreed....a Tanney injury is my worst nightmare

but with that not happening...is it arrogant for me to already be worried about a letdown week oct 17th at Ripon?  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2009, 03:45:51 PM
Go right ahead and think what you like. I won't complain about it. Some may say you are suffering from delusions of grandeur, so be prepared.  ;D

But I am sure in your mind that a let down could surface against Ripon when you realize 2 losses in a row is a distinct possibility!  ::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2009, 03:56:17 PM
scots fan, boy are you right about injuries. It really played a part with SNC last year I believe. And yes, you need to be deep at all positions to really feel safe. SNC had 2 QBs last year, but when O-Line injuries, secondary injuries and others start piling up, it takes a toll in what you can do.

I do not want Tanney injured. I don't want anyone injured. These guys all work too hard to have an injury keep them from playing.  :P

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 10, 2009, 04:32:03 PM
Yes it appears the trap is set. The question(s) now is where and when will it be ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on September 10, 2009, 08:42:13 PM
Hey guys... sorry I was gone for so long ::)

week one was sure interesting eh? kind of embarrassing minus a couple good things.. knox.. cmon thats awful, and north park is pretty awful too.. havent seen them play in 2 years but Im not sure the last time they won a conference game... People i talked to at Ripon said they've never seen a team play more flat in a quarter.. 1st half was really close? oh well..

Week 2:
IC vs Knox- IC.. knox may be the new lawrence
Monmouth vs Lawrence- Lawrence continues its 1 game win streak and upsets the scots! jk, monmouth HUGE
Ripon vs Lake Forest- Ripon figures their stuff out and wins by 3 scores
St. Norbert vs Grinnell- Green Knights get another
Carroll vs Beliot- Beloit wins...?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 10, 2009, 10:28:40 PM
Beloit might be starting 2-0. I don't think Carroll is the favorite here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 10, 2009, 10:48:10 PM
I know Carroll laid an egg against North Park, but how can you say Beliot is the favorite in this one. Playing MacMurray does not make anyone around you better. I know North Park has not been good in the past, but they looked pretty good last Saturday. I would say Carroll is the favorite even though last years games was a bit of a nail biter at times.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 11, 2009, 12:01:24 AM
I know this isn't an exact science, but Beloit improved by 7 pts over MacMurray from a year ago. Carroll blew out North Park by 41 in 2008 and now lost by 7. The Pioneers only beat the Bucs by 10 last year.

Last season Beloit was a young team and still is, but seems to be a bit improved while Carroll lost the Defensive POY and six other starters on a very talented defense that carried them.

Obviously either team can win, but in my opinion Beloit's the favorite.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 11, 2009, 12:15:11 AM
just checked....vegas has it as a pick em game

you're both wrong :D

as much a I hate to say it I like the aura around Beloit right now much more than Carroll, 5-5 last yr...Baratti is great player (only a junior), got young players who already have experience

alright Roop tell us the spell you put us all under now

comedy will ensue now though if the Bucs lose big
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 11, 2009, 04:27:30 AM
Beloit was without their #1K/P and #1 RB last week. The running game made due with the "by committee" approach but the kicking game left a lot to be desired; although the punting game wasn't too bad. This could be a huge factor in a close game however. I haven't heard the status of either player for this week but since it's a 7:00PM start we can all watch on MWCTV and find out together. I know Mt. Union will be watching  ;)




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 11, 2009, 11:11:16 AM
September 19 at MC is taking the nod for early MWC G.O.Y.    :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 11, 2009, 11:20:00 AM
I thought the game that same week in De Pere would be G.O.Y.    :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 11, 2009, 11:35:54 AM
If the Vikings pick off the Scots (6-4), you could be right.   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 11, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
Picks for Week 2:

Illinois C. @ Knox - IC
Monmouth @ Lawrence - MC
Ripon @ Lake Forest - RC
St. Norbert @ Grinnell - SNC
Carroll @ Beloit - CU

Kinda scary going with all road teams, but that's what I'll stick to for now.  Hopefully my picks turn out a little better this week than last with some of those surprising non-conference results.  And scottie, I never saw you around at the Monmouth game last Saturday...what's up with that?

Good luck Fighting Scots!  No letdown on the first road trip of the season!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on September 11, 2009, 12:10:54 PM
New to this board, new to the conference, and new to this level of the game. Can someone give me a quick lesson on this conference? I see most of the board seems to be about two or three teams. Is there really a great disparity between the top and the bottom or can all the teams compete with each other?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 11, 2009, 12:25:10 PM
The short answer is yes, the MWC is top heavy. And is generally below the radar on the national scene; although that is changing.

Whomever is playing Beloit is always the game of the week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2009, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: basil991 on September 11, 2009, 12:10:54 PM
New to this board, new to the conference, and new to this level of the game. Can someone give me a quick lesson on this conference? I see most of the board seems to be about two or three teams. Is there really a great disparity between the top and the bottom or can all the teams compete with each other?

St. Norbert has dominated in recent years, though SNC stumbled last year and Monmouth had a very good team.

The problems in terms of national profile, include:

- Non conference record, especially against power schools and conferences, isn't very good. I can't remember the last time a MWC school beat a WIAC team, for example. SNC's win against #17 Wartburg last week was helpful - but we need more of these.

- Since the league has gotten an automatic bid, the conference has won a playoff game in just two seasons, IIRC. SNC in 03, and Monmouth last year, which thankfully won. That lack of success makes it hard for national observers to take the conference seriously in terms of the strength of the top teams.

- The bottom teams just aren't very good. Lawrence, for example, is a very good school - but it's a very good music school with a total enrollment about about 1,100. It's had success in other sports, but struggles with the sheer numbers needed to succeed in football. Can they beat Monmouth? We'll find out tomorrow. One person I know at LU said he hopes they stay within 30 points...

I think the top teams can compete with the best around the region - but need to have more success in actually winning games (ie SNC's playoff loss at home to Eau Claire in '07 was damaging in this regard).

Realitistically, I think it's a 2-to-3 horse race this year, with Monmouth the champ and favorite until someone knocks them off, SNC hoping to get back to form, with Ripon trying to crack the top 2. (For the last 6 years, one of those two have won the title, and since 99, SNC has won/shared the title 8 times.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2009, 12:45:07 PM
Welcome to the board. I would say the MWC is indeed pretty top-heavy right now. Roop is a big Beloit fan so don't let him mislead you.

I hope you're a fan of one of the other seven and that you won't be silent. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 11, 2009, 01:11:40 PM
Welcome 991. And yes, please do not be silent. Overall we are a pretty good group here. But watch out for The Roop.  ;) 

What brings you to this board? Give usa a little insight but not too much.  :D 

The conference is very top heavy in football. I have been here for 2 full seasons now and attended all but one of St Norbert games in those 2 years. I have to admit there were more blowouts than close games.

Cheer for who you like and respect those that don't.  ;D 

And One Other Thing:

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on September 11, 2009, 01:30:19 PM
Thanks for the welcome, we just made the jump from high school to college. I have a feeling its going to be quite an adjustment.  I will try to add something of value to the other LFC posts.  Looking forward to getting to see the other teams. We made the rounds of most of the conference schools before we made our decision and was very impressed with the committment of the coaches and players.

Saw AU v LFC last week. neither team showed strong offense and would definately give the nod to LFC D. Even though they lost there was a lot of positives there. O line needs to get better but the D should keep them several games.  What will the Ripon v LFC game look like, I'm getting the sense that Ripon is top tier.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 11, 2009, 01:49:49 PM
Here's my best Ripon capsule for you Basil:

To my eye watching all of Monmouth's games last yr and according to the records Ripon was the 2nd best team in the conf. last yr.  I remember last year half way through the 4th quarter of the Monm. - Rip game thinking "this is it...we beat norbert this yr and now ripon gonna sneak up and take the conf. from us."  Scots made a great comeback though being 2 scores down w/ 5 min to play.

Ripon's defense was really dominate last year holding St. Norbert to just 7 pts.  That was supposed to be their bright spot this year as I think they returned 7 starters on that side of the ball, but their first game against UW-Oshkosh didn't look too promising.  Lost 40-16 after last yrs game being 13-12 with Ripon opting to go for 2 to try and win and not converting.

Don't know much about Oshkosh though other than they hail from the mighty WIAC, but if they finish 1st or 2nd in their conf. that puts em as a top 10 in the nation team and could maybe make Ripon's loss look a little better.

Ripon lost alot on offense though, this game vs. lfc should be a low scoring affair and your forresters are still a definite underdog in this one despite their strong wk 1 showing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 11, 2009, 02:36:13 PM
Hey Mav.  Sorry to have missed you.  My employer made me hang out with a bunch of big dudes in dark suits and sunglasses.  Evidently, I had to be protected in case there was actually a Duhawk.   ;D  (I was up on the terrace next to the press box most of the game.)

Welcome 991.  I think you are the ONLY LFC poster, so your contributions will be appreciated.  Just listen to The Roop, and you'll be fine.  ;)


"I t ' s  n o  f u n - b e i n g  a n  i l l e g a l  e m o t i c o n !"   :)  ;)  :D  ;D  >:(  :(  :o  8)  ???  ::)  :P  :-[  :-X  :-\  :-*  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on September 11, 2009, 03:59:49 PM
To be honest that Ripon game is misleading.. for example it was 13-9 at halftime, and it was pretty obvious ripon was the better team in the 1st half.. they missed a couple opportunites which could have put them ahead but thats the game.. they won the TOP battle by 30 seconds but thats misleading as well as Ripon's D was on the field the entire 3rd quarter.. They tried a sneak pooch kick thing(awful idea) to start the half, osh got the ball at the Ripon 45 and scored then the redhawks fumbled the snap or the qb dropped the ball as it looked from the bleachers and they scored and momentum was squarely on the side of the Titans for the rest of the game even though Ripon put together an 8 minute scoring drive in the 4th to save face a little bit ::) I really think this was just one of those games where things go right for a team and not for the other but thats football..

whew, that was way too long... To be honest, as much as I hate to say it but I think its pretty much SNC and MC as the game of the year.. but everyone thought that last year and look what happened.. cant wait for this weekend.. Ill be in Lake Forest and where hopefully Ripon can figure some stuff out and put up some points.. I know they were embarrassed with how they played last year after scoring td's on the first 2 possessions then only beating the Foresters 14-3..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 11, 2009, 11:35:32 PM
The key to post season success is getting the home games and the way to do that is with a perfect season; unless the west coast gets three teams in but I'm not getting into that scenario just yet. Right now only 4 candidates remain and that will change as Monmouth squares off against Lawrence. Since Lawrence has had an extra week off they've had plenty of time to implement my 5-6 defense that I described a few pages back. If they do it right I doubt Monmouth will even move the chains.

So that will leave Lawrence, Beloit and St. Norbert (if they can get by Grinnell) as the MWC front runners.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2009, 01:58:21 PM
Penn Atlantic is giving my account and/or computer a little attitude today, so I may not catch any of the Lawrence upset.

Boom, it just kicked in!  Looks like there is "ample space" in the stands....

MC 14-0 after first quarter.  

MC 35-0 with 10:00 remaining in the 2nd quarter.  The Viking kick-return is getting a good workout, and the refs keep using that greasy ball when LU is on offense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 12, 2009, 02:52:10 PM
Thanks for the update scottie. I ordered games just fine this morning but can't get past the log in now that I want to watch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2009, 03:12:48 PM
The Roop:  It turned on for me when I went back to the Windows Media Player screen and just hit the Play button.  I was getting error messges on the other screen, but it ended up being fine.  (p.s. Tanney just heaved a 54 yard TD pass and it is 49 - 0 just before half.  The announcer said that Tanney needs one more TD pass to tie Rob Purlee's career mark.  I'd be surprised if he is in much, if at all, in the second half.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2009, 03:49:36 PM
St. Norbert - wearing all white on the road ! - was leading Monmouth 7-3 at halftime.

I've since left home so no more updates for awhile...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 12, 2009, 03:52:12 PM
actually they were leading Grinnell 7-3 at halftime........which I have no I idea what's going on with that

C'MON! St. Norbert!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
Yeah, my bad. They both wear red, right? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PapaSmurf on September 12, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
7 to 3?  Must be having a letdown after last week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 12, 2009, 03:58:26 PM
about 4 mins left in the 3rd.....Monmouth with the ball up 56-3, the starters only played one series in the second half

Yeah, they do puckfan...the comparisons of their football teams stops there though
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2009, 04:00:54 PM
Oh I know - and do know better - just a little self deprecating humor at the mistake.

At least SNC coulda put green #s on those... They are hard to read.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 12, 2009, 04:09:51 PM
14-3 now St. Norbert at the end of the 3rd and they're threatening to score again....Norbie's offense is woken up now I think
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 12, 2009, 04:10:06 PM
but still
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mustangsfootball on September 12, 2009, 04:20:39 PM
The Beloit v. Carroll game should be the G.O.Y. Carroll as always will have playmakers and bring it in this rivalry game. Beloit this year has a ton of experienced players coming off a great season. I have always thought that Beloit games would be better at night as townsfolk came out in good # the last time the game was in Beloit, and you actually get a large part of the student body to come and be rowdy. The keys for the game will be special teams and the play of both schools LB and DB corps. I would give Beloit the edge on special teams this year with Reich doing the kicking and Christiansen and his company of returners. I would give Beloit the edge at LB which has had a pretty darn good stable of backers. If Barratti, Raizyz, and Bauman have great games I feel it will be a long night for the CU running game. Secondary is up in the air, CU DBs have been a roven coidity, depending on the line up Beloit could do very well or suffer. Remember last year's game was very tight and based on some questionable reffing at the goalline BC could have won that game. should be very close.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 12, 2009, 04:26:45 PM
mustang: not sure of your sense of humor...so i'll assume some sarcasm with your beloit carroll g.o.y. statement

it will be a good contest though
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 12, 2009, 04:28:01 PM
alright....won't be back to comment til later
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2009, 04:37:33 PM
Final Score, MC 56 LU 3.

Had a phone call that made me miss the entire second half.  Cheers, all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2009, 04:38:42 PM
Ouch. Well, hopefully it gets better here on out for LU.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2009, 05:07:07 PM
I believe its a final: St. Norbert wins, 14-11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2009, 07:42:27 PM
Two more finals:

Ripon  35, Lake Forest 7

Illinois 42, Knox 24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 12, 2009, 08:08:05 PM
How would Beloit vs. Carroll not be game of the week? Beloit up 7-0 after opening drive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 12, 2009, 08:32:44 PM
7-7 after 1. Beloit is moving the ball at will but also fumbling at will.

19-7 at the half. Missed PAT twice (penalty) and later failed on a 2 point conversion.

25-7 Bucs after 3. Yes, they missed another PAT.

And that's how it ended. 25-7 good guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 12, 2009, 11:44:09 PM
You heard it here first folks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 13, 2009, 01:52:26 AM
Could College Game Day III be making a trip to Beloit for next Saturday's BIG BIG BIG game?  It looks like the mighty Bucs are ready, willing, and able to issue payback for last year's 51-3 Scottish setback.  :)

Will MC's decision to call off the dogs in today's second half cost them a spot in the top 25?  An idle team (or two) may jump them.  Scottie predicts #24.   ::)

Congrats to Alex Tanney who ties Rob Purlee's career TD record.  Tanney had five TDs today, as well as an assist to Steve Zidow's TD on the flee-flicker, in just over a half of the game.  8)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 13, 2009, 12:17:13 PM
Back home but still licking wounds!  :(

I don't have time today except to say:

SNC is 1-0 in conference just like a few other teams.  ;D

Grinnell showed a lot of guts and desire. Hats off to them.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on September 13, 2009, 02:05:48 PM
Monmouth had quite the decisive victory over poor old Lawrence yesterday.  That's my buddy Bluenote's favorite team because he likes their library, and he's a musician.

It's good to see that the MWC is improving generally and having post-season success.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 13, 2009, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 13, 2009, 01:52:26 AM
Could College Game Day III be making a trip to Beloit for next Saturday's BIG BIG BIG game?

Actually scottie the game is in Monmouth but I've already heard that Lee Corso likes Beloit so they are doomed. No point in playing this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 13, 2009, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 13, 2009, 03:35:43 PM


Actually scottie the game is in Monmouth but I've already heard that Lee Corso likes Beloit so they are doomed. No point in playing this one.

Moves the Bucs from a 3 TD favorite to a 10 point favorite.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 13, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
14-11?????





14-11????????????????????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 13, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
HOW 'BOUT THEM GREEN KNIGHTS!!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 14, 2009, 12:03:41 AM
Hello everyone. Ive been following this board for quite awhile now, but finally got registered.  I figure I could try to even out the Big 3 on the board (monmouth, snc, and beloit) and add in some more perspective from the ripon pov.  Ive been folling for the last year about so i am able to get the witty humor used in this board, very clevar posts at times. 

I am a ripon alum that has followed the football team very closely for the last five years, so hopefully i can contribute to the discussion.  I am a huge MWC fan so hopefully there are some good stories this season coming from the MWC, looking forward to it

Big headlines from week 1:
-The score of the SNC game definetely
-Score of the Beloit-Carroll game (I thought Beloit would challenge the Pios but not by that score)
-Air Tanney not missing a beat and Carroll being 0-2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on September 14, 2009, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 13, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
14-11?????





14-11????????????????????

That's a lot better than last week's move.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 14, 2009, 02:43:43 AM
i was talking about the st. norbert v grinnell score.........

that's funny though I didn't notice that was monmouth's move in the polls
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 09:32:04 AM
Yes. 14-11 >:(  >:(  >:(

Now my question is, what are Monmouth's, St. Norbert's, Ripon's, Beloit's and Illinois College's record in the MWC?   ???  Hmmmm  ???  Bueller?  Anyone?


OK. I know. Let me tell you, it was a very difficult game to watch from the stands. And Grinnell now has the visitors sitting right behind the bench that the Grinnell coach has his players sit on when he yells at them. Good move coach!   :P 

This was a game that I truly believe that SNC had a HUGE let down from the previous week. Of course that may be obvious. Grinnell was pumped up something fierce. The Green Knights almost blew it.

So, to answer all the questions, Yes, 14-11

And to answer my question 1-0

Now let's see how much they learned from this and see what happens against Lawrence.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 09:46:41 AM
171 yards rushing and 66 yards passing. My question is when did St. Norbert become an option team ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 14, 2009, 09:48:01 AM
Okay, so the score was really 14-11?  Is that what your telling us?  Was it four field goals and a safety? :D  (And, how lucky for the Vikings that they get a PO'd Green Knight squad this weekend.....ouch!)

Welcome R-men 09.  Good to have some Ripon chatter.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 10:03:23 AM
Man, It Was Ugly, but
This is all that matters right now.  ::)


2009 Standings 

Team  W - L  Overall

Beloit 1-0 2-0
Monmouth 1-0 2-0
St. Norbert  1-0 2-0
Illinois College  1-0 1-1
Ripon 1-0 1-1
Lawrence 0-1 0-1
Carroll 0-1 0-2
Grinnell 0-1 0-2
Knox 0-1 0-2
Lake Forrest  0-1 0-2

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 14, 2009, 10:06:42 AM
Its always good to get away with a W.  I do feel bad for LU though as SNC will be making this a statement game, showing that they are for real now.

And always excited for the triple option showdown, in Ripon this week, as Knox does their best to imitate the Ripon O
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 14, 2009, 10:09:17 AM
And we still have two teams in the top 25 spotlight.  Nice move for Monmouth and SNC still getting votes.
Monmouth smelling top 10 after this week
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 10:11:17 AM
Early season must win situation for Carroll this week as we have the annual Pioneer Bowl in Waukesha.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 10:59:35 AM
The problem with Monmouth or SNC in the polls, or more importantly in the playoff selection, is the weakness of the conference overall. It would be great to see 2 teams from the MWC get a tourney bid, but....  :-[

We need other schools to step up in football on a consistent basis. I also feel that having the opportunity to play only one non-conference game hurts us since we only have that one chance to show off our talent to others.

It is a tough situation for the conference to be in but until we see strong improvement in the MWC Football teams, we will probably only get one bid. That is what they play for ultimately.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 14, 2009, 11:06:14 AM
LU is going to get absolutely destroyed this weekend.  I love my school, but we are not good at football....


Only about 2 months till basketball season though!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 11:13:35 AM
Last year proved that an 8-2 MWC team isn't going to make the play offs. This year however we can still have a 9-1 runner up and the chances of two getting in are much better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 11:24:16 AM
We want Loras and Wartburg to have VERY good seasons the rest of the way.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 11:29:10 AM
Is it just me or does SNCOLDAD sound more nervous than a non-legacy trying to get into Yale.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 14, 2009, 11:29:14 AM
Kinda hard for two or three teams to have sparkling-enough W-L records to be considered for post season and not have the bottom half of the league (and perhaps the conf. rep) suffer as a result.  

SNC's win over Wartburg may certainly help their case, as long as they don't continue to play like the team that beat Grinnell 14-11.   ;D

And watch out for Beloit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 11:45:53 AM
So when Beloit blocks the go ahead PAT and returns it for 2 in the final seconds, you won't be surprised with the 47-45 Buc win this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 14, 2009, 11:54:40 AM
What's that saying about kissin' your a$$ on the town square and giving you two hours to draw a crowd....?  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 12:04:07 PM
Brutal. You are all Brutal.  ;D

Roop, I am just not going to say too much. My opinions might be misinterpreted by others lurking in the background of this site. And it would not be fair to those that could pay for a mis-statement by me.  :-X

I know you understand my reasoning.

I repeat, Grinnell played their hearts out. SNC had a MAJOR let down.

But I am extremely confident that I will enjoy the SNC game this week.

On that note I make one final statement:

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 12:05:03 PM
Doesn't say anything. I think you're just giving the Scots bulletin board material and attempting to trick the pollsters into more Monmouth votes when they win. LOL.  ;)

SNCOLDAD, the 14-11 score was a surprise but Grinnell has had two good recruiting years in a row so a close game wasn't shocking. I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on September 14, 2009, 12:19:46 PM
Ripon V LFC. Ripon won by three scores playing a consistent game.  I think that was the key to win and the undoing of LFC. LFC did not play consistent football, although there were some flashes of very good things on both sides of the ball for LFC they just could not sustain them. I was impressed with the way Ripon mixed it up, option, draw, screen.  LFC's  O seemed a little one dimentional, there is some definate talent there just finding the best way to use it will be the key.  Still early in the year and I think in the second half of the season they will be tough to beat.  Congrats to Ripon on a solid performance.

Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 12:27:19 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 12:05:03 PM
SNCOLDAD, the 14-11 score was a surprise but Grinnell has had two good recruiting years in a row so a close game wasn't shocking. I wouldn't worry about it.

I pointed out earlier during the summer that I expected Grinnell College to become a good football team in the months and years ahead as Coach Hawsey begins recruiting more of his players to the team.  As Coach Hawsey recruits players that fit his "recruiting profile" over the several years, I believe that you will see winning football come back to Grinnell and become the norm instead of an exception.  Saturday's game between Grinnell and St. Norbert was an early indication of what I meant by that summer prediction.  

Although the Pioneers lost to St. Norbert 14-11 on Saturday afternoon, everyone who watched the game was treated to a hard hitting and entertaining game.  I believe that it is safe to say that no one expected the game to be in doubt and that Grinnell would have a chance, with less than two minutes to play, to win that game with a successful offensive drive.  St. Norbert may have come into the game looking past Grinnell.  But, Grinnell teams from the recent past would not have had the players capable of causing St. Norbert any anxiety.  Improved Pioneer football players was needed to create that potential upset bid this past Saturday by Grinnell.  Again, Saturday's game is an early indicator of how I expect Grinnell College football to improve in the next few years and I believe that the Pioneers will begin challenging for a MWC championship in the near future as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 12:39:16 PM
bballer, I cannot argue with you and what I saw on Saturday. The level of play was very good from Grinnell. I also saw a strong desire and fire in that team. I did see a couple of things that I did not appreciate about the head coach but to each his own. Just don't yell at your QB for throwing the ball with less than a minute to go in the half. Take responsibility yourself for calling the pass play in the first place.

I truly hope that the Grinnell team can move up in the ranks in their football program. As Grinnell approaches "No Tuition", Hawsey will have an unbelievable advantage over other schools in recruiting student athletes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
Last time I calculated tuition vs. endowments was two years ago. At that time Grinnell could go tuition free for 40 years and still have money in the bank. Interesting what the NCAA would think if a tuition free Grinnell actually happened.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
I wonder how that would test some "Athletic Scholarship" rules in D3. They had to postpone when the markets taked is what I heard this weekend. But they sure did not put construction on hold. The facilities are going to be spectacular. And as always, the football field reminede me of the 9th fairway at Cog Hill.  ;D

So now the question I have. Is Beloit that much better, or is Carroll that much worse?  ???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 01:01:40 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me Roop. I knew I could count on you.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2009, 01:09:39 PM
Ask an easy question, get an easy answer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 14, 2009, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
I wonder how that would test some "Athletic Scholarship" rules in D3. They had to postpone when the markets taked is what I heard this weekend. But they sure did not put construction on hold. The facilities are going to be spectacular. And as always, the football field reminede me of the 9th fairway at Cog Hill.  ;D

So now the question I have. Is Beloit that much better, or is Carroll that much worse?  ???



There shouldn't be any problem with the NCAA "Athletic Scholarship" rules. If every student gets free tuition the rules are being followed. The student-athlete is being treated like every other student in the school. Hell of a recruiting advantage but the way I see it still within the rules.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on September 14, 2009, 02:13:40 PM
 AH ROOP, that magical moment in sports a Monmouth Beloit game that means something. the way i see it close game first half Monmouth pulls away in second half and wins a tough one 42 - 24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
You got it hickory. One heck of a recruiting advantage if you ask me. Come visit our campus. We have spectacular facilities and play in a great conference. And oh, by the way, we have no tuition!!!   Just bring proof of your 31 or 32 minimum college entrance test scores.   :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 14, 2009, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 10:59:35 AM
The problem with Monmouth or SNC in the polls, or more importantly in the playoff selection, is the weakness of the conference overall. It would be great to see 2 teams from the MWC get a tourney bid, but....  :-[

We need other schools to step up in football on a consistent basis. I also feel that having the opportunity to play only one non-conference game hurts us since we only have that one chance to show off our talent to others.

It is a tough situation for the conference to be in but until we see strong improvement in the MWC Football teams, we will probably only get one bid. That is what they play for ultimately.

I brought up last year that we should give Grinnell to the IIAC and then we could become the true CCIW as the current one only has one team in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 14, 2009, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: scots fan on September 14, 2009, 02:13:40 PM
AH ROOP, that magical moment in sports a Monmouth Beloit game that means something. the way i see it close game first half Monmouth pulls away in second half and wins a tough one 42 - 24

I know Beloit is improved, but I won't believe it til I see it........I'm going with more of a 45-10 score
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 03:31:59 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 12:39:16 PM
bballer, I cannot argue with you and what I saw on Saturday. The level of play was very good from Grinnell. I also saw a strong desire and fire in that team. I did see a couple of things that I did not appreciate about the head coach but to each his own. Just don't yell at your QB for throwing the ball with less than a minute to go in the half. Take responsibility yourself for calling the pass play in the first place.

Coach Hawsey is very, very intense.  Not every player can handle that approach.  But, not every MWC coach that is seeking a conference championship has to come from the bottom to get to the top.  The road to that destination is littered with many obstacles.  Coach Hawsey is just trying to push those student/athletes past those obstacles very quickly.  I know that he compliments just as quickly as he disciplines.  The players know that Coach Hawsey "tells it like it is" and they respect that, even when the message has a real "bite" in it some times.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 14, 2009, 04:09:08 PM
Carroll had some holes coming into the season that many thought maybe filled by the underclassmen, especially on defense with losing POY Jeremey Winter and losing many other starters. Well for the past two games those holes still have not been filled. Offensively, they are not moving the ball very well and killing themselves with turnovers and penalties. At first glance in preseason I thought this team could be 7-4 or 6-4, but now with two losses to teams that handled pretty well last year, my finishing prediction may not be as optimistic as first thought. But heres to hoping Carroll rights the ship this weekend with the PIO BOWL against Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 04:37:08 PM
bballer, I understand what you are saying. I think just about all successful coaches in college ball are intense. This was one of those situations that: a. You had to witness, b. Bleacher seats should be further away.  :-\  Grinnell makes sure that the sideline team meetings are right in front of the visiting parents and fans. New this year. They may want to consider moving to the other end in front of their own fans.

Footballfan99, I appreciate the insight. There is no doubt that playing a team early in the season with a large graduation the previous year has distinct advantages. Having witnessed Grinnell this season, I caution you right now. They are very capable to catch you.  8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on September 14, 2009, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on September 14, 2009, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
I wonder how that would test some "Athletic Scholarship" rules in D3. They had to postpone when the markets taked is what I heard this weekend. But they sure did not put construction on hold. The facilities are going to be spectacular. And as always, the football field reminede me of the 9th fairway at Cog Hill.  ;D

So now the question I have. Is Beloit that much better, or is Carroll that much worse?  ???



There shouldn't be any problem with the NCAA "Athletic Scholarship" rules. If every student gets free tuition the rules are being followed. The student-athlete is being treated like every other student in the school. Hell of a recruiting advantage but the way I see it still within the rules.

As it stands now, is it fair to say that Grinnell has among the tougher academic admissions standards in the MWC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
I cannot comment really. But I heard they require a 31 or 32 minimum. If that applies to ALL students that attend Grinnell, I believe it probably is the toughest standards in the conference. But I have no detail knowledge of any except one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 14, 2009, 05:15:08 PM
I don't know for sure but I was told the mininum ACT is a 30 for all students.  That limits a lot of who will be on the field.  I know that there are some pretty good students and student athletes that don't have a 30 ACT. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
I cannot comment really. But I heard they require a 31 or 32 minimum. If that applies to ALL students that attend Grinnell, I believe it probably is the toughest standards in the conference. But I have no detail knowledge of any except one.

I don't expect the Visitor's Stands to remain where there currently located in the long run.  When the construction projects are completed in the fall of 2010, the visitor's stands will return to the east side of the stadium as I understand it.  Construction has forced things to be as they are for now.

With respect to admission requirements at Grinnell College, the average student martriculated into Grinnell's student body has an ACT score of 31 with the middle 50% (which runs from the 25th percentile to the 75th percentile of those attending) ranging from an ACT score of 29-33.  Yes, all athletes who compete for the Pioneers of Grinnell College are extremely bright and intelligent academically.  As a result, it is not easy to recruit athletically at Grinnell College when your football players typically fall within those ranges mentioned above.  Never the less, Coach Hawsey's and the Pioneer football team's success depends on him attracting those student/athletes that fit within that academic profile and his "football" profile, too.

As far as recruiting at Grinnell goes, it is very difficult to obtain basketball point guards and post players with the academic background to martriculate successfully at the college as well and who can play the game well, too.  I have been told specifically by the basketball coaches at the college that those positions are by far the hardest to recruit for (boys and girls equally so).

So, yes, athletic success is not easy to attain at Grinnell College.  However, Coach Hawsey, Coach Arseneault (men's basketball coach), and Coach Gluckman (women's basketball coach) have each been challenged to attain team success or continue to earn team success despite the academic hurdles.  Coach A has done it over time and continues to be successful while Coach Hawsey is showing signs of football improvement.  I believe observers of the MWC will see that Coach Gluckman has put together two very solid recruiting classes for the women's basketball team in the weeks ahead and that the Lady Pioneers will be vastly improved this winter as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 05:32:32 PM
I have met a lot of real good players that 30 is no problem also. And no tuition! Wow
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 14, 2009, 06:17:37 PM
I see the MWC getting one undefeated and a one-loss team into the playoffs for sure.  Granted that a team goes undefeated.  It was a very real scenario last year if Ripon wouldve beat UW-O, getting Monmouth and Ripon in (i believe). So the UWO loss this year hurts Ripons chances again if they dont go undefeated in conference play, which wont be an easy task.

Good news for monmouth- if they can handle the red hot buccanneers, Mount Unoin faces Ohio Northern this weekend (two top ten teams), one eventually with a loss
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 05:32:32 PM
I have met a lot of real good players that 30 is no problem also. And no tuition! Wow

There is not a "no tuition" policy.  In fact,  many students do have some financial "skin in the game" when it comes to tuition.  What Grinnell College does from a financial aid perspective is fully provide 100% of the FAFSA defined financial need.  After filing the FAFSA report as all college students must do, Grinnell does meet 100% of the financial need.  However, each student and their parents are still responsible for the student's FAFSA defined "expected contribution."  So, as a result, a "no tuition" policy does not exist in the manner that some on this website are implying.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2009, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
I cannot comment really. But I heard they require a 31 or 32 minimum. If that applies to ALL students that attend Grinnell, I believe it probably is the toughest standards in the conference. But I have no detail knowledge of any except one.
With respect to admission requirements at Grinnell College, the average student martriculated into Grinnell's student body has an ACT score of 31 with the middle 50% (which runs from the 25th percentile to the 75th percentile of those attending) ranging from an ACT score of 29-33.  Yes, all athletes who compete for the Pioneers of Grinnell College are extremely bright and intelligent academically.  As a result, it is not easy to recruit athletically at Grinnell College when your football players typically fall within those ranges mentioned above.  Never the less, Coach Hawsey's and the Pioneer football team's success depends on him attracting those student/athletes that fit within that academic profile and his "football" profile, too.

As far as recruiting at Grinnell goes, it is very difficult to obtain basketball point guards and post players with the academic background to martriculate successfully at the college as well and who can play the game well, too.  I have been told specifically by the basketball coaches at the college that those positions are by far the hardest to recruit for (boys and girls equally so).

So, yes, athletic success is not easy to attain at Grinnell College.  However, Coach Hawsey, Coach Arseneault (men's basketball coach), and Coach Gluckman (women's basketball coach) have each been challenged to attain team success or continue to earn team success despite the academic hurdles.  Coach A has done it over time and continues to be successful while Coach Hawsey is showing signs of football improvement.  I believe observers of the MWC will see that Coach Gluckman has put together two very solid recruiting classes for the women's basketball team in the weeks ahead and that the Lady Pioneers will be vastly improved this winter as well.

I don't disagree with your assertion that recruiting for Grinnell sports has its hurdles. But Grinnell's high entrance requirements hardly fall to the level of an excuse. Just take a look at the success of schools from the UAA and NESCAC, all of whom have similar entrance requirements to Grinnell's, in a wide variety of D3 sports. I doubt that the basketball programs at Williams and Wash U draw a lot of sympathy from anyone for their difficulties in getting good players into the program, since both of them have won national championships in this decade. And Williams, Carnegie Mellon, and Case Western Reserve have certainly not faltered on the gridiron due to an inability to corral good football players.

Most of the people from UAA and NESCAC schools, in fact, will freely admit that the high entrance standards of their schools are in many ways advantageous to athletics rather than a burden. High school student-athletes who are smart enough to get high ACT or SAT scores will also be smart enough to realize that a degree from a school that has a high level of academic cachet outweighs most other considerations, if not all of them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on September 14, 2009, 07:17:14 PM
Just asked for clarification.

I don't see Grinnell lowering the academic standards should they implement a novel tuition plan...in fact, I think the attraction of such a program would draw even more higher academic scoring students and push the scale higher.

In relative terms their is no reason that high academic achievement can't co-exist with athletic success...it's just harder to bring athletic success up when a program is down...regardless of academics...no one likes to lose.

I admire the kids that find their way to Grinnell, that buy into Hawsey's program, and say, "I want to be one of the guys that got things back on track"; even if they achieve relatively little success of their own in laying that foundation.

I'm living through bit of that at Cornell with my son.  The program is improving, but it is taking longer than we hoped.  At the end of it all they will have a wonderful education instilled in them which will last a lifetime.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 14, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
Average Number of Losses per season since 1999 (Championships in () )

1. St. Norbert 0.5 (8)
2. Monmouth 2.5 (2)
    Ripon 2.5 (1)
4. Lake Forest 3.9 (1)
5. Carroll 5.0
6. Illinois College 5.2
7. Grinnell 5.7
    Beloit 5.7
9. Knox 6.6
10. Lawrence 6.9
Does knox/beloit/lawrence have academic recruiting hurdles?  Most likely not?, so its just showing the recent trend in the MWC, and wont limit Grinnell to see success they saw in the early 90's.  Just my thoughts.  Interesting when you look at the top 4 as the only to win a championship
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 14, 2009, 08:57:28 PM
SNC is supposed to be an 8, but  8) works just as well in that place if you have 8 rings since then
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 08:58:52 PM
OK. I read all the responses. And I have a question.

Your son in high school has scored a 31+ on the college entrance exams. Your son also is a pretty good football player. In fact he has visions of D2 but no one is biting at that hope. All sorts of D3 schools are calling to have him visit. But all of a sudden Grinnell calls and says " We would love to have him visit and look at out football program, and, by the way we have a no tuition policy at Grinnell for all students." As a parent, what do you do, and as a student what do you do???

This is a tough reality check and a real possibility.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 14, 2009, 11:01:26 PM
sncoldad:   the situation you just described is not a very prominent one, atleast not enough to make much of a difference

redmen:  I agree, I think ripon had a very good chance a getting in last year if they had beaten oshkosh....9-1 with a win over a wiac team and your only loss to an undefeated conf. champ

question to think about:  If nobert loses to monmouth, goes 9-1, and wartburg finishes in the top 2 of the iiac does norbert get in?.........................and if monmouth loses to norbert, goes 9-1, and loras finishes in the top 2 of the iiac does monmouth get in?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 14, 2009, 11:43:36 PM
also the MWC press release for this week has Monmouth's conference game winning streak at 10 when its at 13

not a big deal, but it bothered me
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2009, 12:09:42 AM
I think that either scenario would for sure put two MWC teams in the postseason, based on how the iiac teams do of course. the only other thing that would hurt their chances is if the snc/mc game was a blowout either way, it would have to be a close game. if snc wins out it would be more likely that the mwc gets two bids based on mc's top 25 attention already. regardless of that scenario im still pulling for a red hawk sweep   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on September 15, 2009, 09:34:20 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 12, 2009, 04:37:33 PM
Final Score, MC 56 LU 3.

Had a phone call that made me miss the entire second half.  Cheers, all.

Lay off the 1-900 numbers on Saturday man, where are your priorities?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 15, 2009, 09:54:46 AM
He makes a good point scottie as I won't be able to watch the game this week. So I need you to text me score updates.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on September 15, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2009, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
I cannot comment really. But I heard they require a 31 or 32 minimum. If that applies to ALL students that attend Grinnell, I believe it probably is the toughest standards in the conference. But I have no detail knowledge of any except one.
With respect to admission requirements at Grinnell College, the average student martriculated into Grinnell's student body has an ACT score of 31 with the middle 50% (which runs from the 25th percentile to the 75th percentile of those attending) ranging from an ACT score of 29-33.  Yes, all athletes who compete for the Pioneers of Grinnell College are extremely bright and intelligent academically.  As a result, it is not easy to recruit athletically at Grinnell College when your football players typically fall within those ranges mentioned above.  Never the less, Coach Hawsey's and the Pioneer football team's success depends on him attracting those student/athletes that fit within that academic profile and his "football" profile, too.

As far as recruiting at Grinnell goes, it is very difficult to obtain basketball point guards and post players with the academic background to martriculate successfully at the college as well and who can play the game well, too.  I have been told specifically by the basketball coaches at the college that those positions are by far the hardest to recruit for (boys and girls equally so).

So, yes, athletic success is not easy to attain at Grinnell College.  However, Coach Hawsey, Coach Arseneault (men's basketball coach), and Coach Gluckman (women's basketball coach) have each been challenged to attain team success or continue to earn team success despite the academic hurdles.  Coach A has done it over time and continues to be successful while Coach Hawsey is showing signs of football improvement.  I believe observers of the MWC will see that Coach Gluckman has put together two very solid recruiting classes for the women's basketball team in the weeks ahead and that the Lady Pioneers will be vastly improved this winter as well.

I don't disagree with your assertion that recruiting for Grinnell sports has its hurdles. But Grinnell's high entrance requirements hardly fall to the level of an excuse. Just take a look at the success of schools from the UAA and NESCAC, all of whom have similar entrance requirements to Grinnell's, in a wide variety of D3 sports. I doubt that the basketball programs at Williams and Wash U draw a lot of sympathy from anyone for their difficulties in getting good players into the program, since both of them have won national championships in this decade. And Williams, Carnegie Mellon, and Case Western Reserve have certainly not faltered on the gridiron due to an inability to corral good football players.

Most of the people from UAA and NESCAC schools, in fact, will freely admit that the high entrance standards of their schools are in many ways advantageous to athletics rather than a burden. High school student-athletes who are smart enough to get high ACT or SAT scores will also be smart enough to realize that a degree from a school that has a high level of academic cachet outweighs most other considerations, if not all of them.

The sage has spoken...  One additional thought-- it just might be a little easier to recruit to a school in a major metro area like the UAA schools than to the cornfields of Iowa, which only have a draw for cross country runners.  And it also may be easier to sell those conferences as they are truely acedemic conferences and carry some prestege nationwide, while the MWC tries to attain this, they, in reality, are basically a Midwest conference.  But in the end all schools and conferences have their own recruiting hurdles and any school can be successful given the resourses to make their program competative.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 15, 2009, 10:32:20 AM
Resourses for a truely competative english department would increase the acedemic prestege as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 15, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2009, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
I cannot comment really. But I heard they require a 31 or 32 minimum. If that applies to ALL students that attend Grinnell, I believe it probably is the toughest standards in the conference. But I have no detail knowledge of any except one.
With respect to admission requirements at Grinnell College, the average student martriculated into Grinnell's student body has an ACT score of 31 with the middle 50% (which runs from the 25th percentile to the 75th percentile of those attending) ranging from an ACT score of 29-33.  Yes, all athletes who compete for the Pioneers of Grinnell College are extremely bright and intelligent academically.  As a result, it is not easy to recruit athletically at Grinnell College when your football players typically fall within those ranges mentioned above.  Never the less, Coach Hawsey's and the Pioneer football team's success depends on him attracting those student/athletes that fit within that academic profile and his "football" profile, too.

As far as recruiting at Grinnell goes, it is very difficult to obtain basketball point guards and post players with the academic background to martriculate successfully at the college as well and who can play the game well, too.  I have been told specifically by the basketball coaches at the college that those positions are by far the hardest to recruit for (boys and girls equally so).

So, yes, athletic success is not easy to attain at Grinnell College.  However, Coach Hawsey, Coach Arseneault (men's basketball coach), and Coach Gluckman (women's basketball coach) have each been challenged to attain team success or continue to earn team success despite the academic hurdles.  Coach A has done it over time and continues to be successful while Coach Hawsey is showing signs of football improvement.  I believe observers of the MWC will see that Coach Gluckman has put together two very solid recruiting classes for the women's basketball team in the weeks ahead and that the Lady Pioneers will be vastly improved this winter as well.

I don't disagree with your assertion that recruiting for Grinnell sports has its hurdles. But Grinnell's high entrance requirements hardly fall to the level of an excuse. Just take a look at the success of schools from the UAA and NESCAC, all of whom have similar entrance requirements to Grinnell's, in a wide variety of D3 sports. I doubt that the basketball programs at Williams and Wash U draw a lot of sympathy from anyone for their difficulties in getting good players into the program, since both of them have won national championships in this decade. And Williams, Carnegie Mellon, and Case Western Reserve have certainly not faltered on the gridiron due to an inability to corral good football players.

Most of the people from UAA and NESCAC schools, in fact, will freely admit that the high entrance standards of their schools are in many ways advantageous to athletics rather than a burden. High school student-athletes who are smart enough to get high ACT or SAT scores will also be smart enough to realize that a degree from a school that has a high level of academic cachet outweighs most other considerations, if not all of them.

You do make some very good and reasonably valid points in your arguement above.  I am very certain that schools from the UAA and the NESCAC will not by sympathetic to the "trials and tribulations" of Grinnell College's difficulty in recruiting outstanding students with athletic talent as well.  Nor, does anyone from Grinnell want the sympathy.  In the end, earning athletic success at outstanding colleges and universities academically is a goal that has different levels of success.  Measuring success merely by the number of national championships is the highest hurdle of success to cross.  But, success can be measured at the conference and regional level.  For Grinnell College, conference and regional athletic success is the reasonable goal to reach now.

Additionally, I would point out that none of the colleges noted above, to my knowledge, from the UAA or the NESCAC are located in a town of 9,000 people surrounded literally by corn fields and beef cattle with the nearest retail strip mall over 30 miles away.  Although students who come to Grinnell College find the institution to be very charming and an unbelievable place to spend four years of college, the number of potential students that really "release themselves" to the concept of leaving metropolitan and/or cosmopolitan locations limits the recruiting process considerably.  So, as a result, a comparison to universities from the UAA and the NESCAC to Grinnell College is really not an "apples to apples" comparison.  Don't you agree?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 15, 2009, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: bballer1280 on September 15, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2009, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: bballer1280 on September 14, 2009, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 14, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
I cannot comment really. But I heard they require a 31 or 32 minimum. If that applies to ALL students that attend Grinnell, I believe it probably is the toughest standards in the conference. But I have no detail knowledge of any except one.
With respect to admission requirements at Grinnell College, the average student martriculated into Grinnell's student body has an ACT score of 31 with the middle 50% (which runs from the 25th percentile to the 75th percentile of those attending) ranging from an ACT score of 29-33.  Yes, all athletes who compete for the Pioneers of Grinnell College are extremely bright and intelligent academically.  As a result, it is not easy to recruit athletically at Grinnell College when your football players typically fall within those ranges mentioned above.  Never the less, Coach Hawsey's and the Pioneer football team's success depends on him attracting those student/athletes that fit within that academic profile and his "football" profile, too.

As far as recruiting at Grinnell goes, it is very difficult to obtain basketball point guards and post players with the academic background to martriculate successfully at the college as well and who can play the game well, too.  I have been told specifically by the basketball coaches at the college that those positions are by far the hardest to recruit for (boys and girls equally so).

So, yes, athletic success is not easy to attain at Grinnell College.  However, Coach Hawsey, Coach Arseneault (men's basketball coach), and Coach Gluckman (women's basketball coach) have each been challenged to attain team success or continue to earn team success despite the academic hurdles.  Coach A has done it over time and continues to be successful while Coach Hawsey is showing signs of football improvement.  I believe observers of the MWC will see that Coach Gluckman has put together two very solid recruiting classes for the women's basketball team in the weeks ahead and that the Lady Pioneers will be vastly improved this winter as well.

I don't disagree with your assertion that recruiting for Grinnell sports has its hurdles. But Grinnell's high entrance requirements hardly fall to the level of an excuse. Just take a look at the success of schools from the UAA and NESCAC, all of whom have similar entrance requirements to Grinnell's, in a wide variety of D3 sports. I doubt that the basketball programs at Williams and Wash U draw a lot of sympathy from anyone for their difficulties in getting good players into the program, since both of them have won national championships in this decade. And Williams, Carnegie Mellon, and Case Western Reserve have certainly not faltered on the gridiron due to an inability to corral good football players.

Most of the people from UAA and NESCAC schools, in fact, will freely admit that the high entrance standards of their schools are in many ways advantageous to athletics rather than a burden. High school student-athletes who are smart enough to get high ACT or SAT scores will also be smart enough to realize that a degree from a school that has a high level of academic cachet outweighs most other considerations, if not all of them.

You do make some very good and reasonably valid points in your arguement above.  I am very certain that schools from the UAA and the NESCAC will not by sympathetic to the "trials and tribulations" of Grinnell College's difficulty in recruiting outstanding students with athletic talent as well.  Nor, does anyone from Grinnell want the sympathy.  In the end, earning athletic success at outstanding colleges and universities academically is a goal that has different levels of success.  Measuring success merely by the number of national championships is the highest hurdle of success to cross.  But, success can be measured at the conference and regional level.  For Grinnell College, conference and regional athletic success is the reasonable goal to reach now.

Additionally, I would point out that none of the colleges noted above, to my knowledge, from the UAA or the NESCAC are located in a town of 9,000 people surrounded literally by corn fields and beef cattle with the nearest retail strip mall over 30 miles away.  Although students who come to Grinnell College find the institution to be very charming and an unbelievable place to spend four years of college, the number of potential students that really "release themselves" to the concept of leaving metropolitan and/or cosmopolitan locations limits the recruiting process considerably.  So, as a result, a comparison to universities from the UAA and the NESCAC to Grinnell College is really not an "apples to apples" comparison.  Don't you agree?

Yes, I do. Both you and PC explicitly made a point to which I was alluding when I said in my first post, "I don't disagree with your assertion that recruiting for Grinnell sports has its hurdles." It's one thing to recruit for a school located in or near a big city (i.e., all of the UAA schools) or for a school located in a small New England town that's comparatively close to New York City and/or Boston (i.e., most of the NESCAC schools), and it's quite another to recruit for Grinnell, which is located in Nowheresville, Iowa and is an hour's drive from the nearest modest-sized city, Des Moines. Grinnell's location is probably a drawback for some prospects, both athletes and general-population students.

I also agree with PC's point that some of the cachet of attending a UAA or NESCAC school comes from the conference itself, a cachet to which the MWC (and thus Grinnell) can lay no claim. Both the UAA and NESCAC tend to play various sports at a higher level than does the MWC (or at least they do in the major sports), and the leagues themselves are nationally known for their collective academic prestige in a way that the MWC isn't.

Having said all that, it's apparent that Grinnell attempts to recruit and construct its various sports rosters nationally, in the same manner as do the UAA and NESCAC schools (and a few other schools, such as Wheaton, Carleton, and Macalester) and unlike its MWC peers, so the school is obviously devoting the resources necessary to recruit in that manner.

My point was simply that the high admissions standards of Grinnell by themselves do not present a sufficient obstacle to be seen as an excuse for the school's shortcomings (real or perceived) on the field of play, since other schools have not only succeeded on a national level with similar high admissions standards but in some ways have come to see those standards as an advantage rather than an obstacle.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 15, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 14, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
Average Number of Losses per season since 1999 (Championships in () )

1. St. Norbert 0.5 (8)
2. Monmouth 2.5 (2)
    Ripon 2.5 (1)
4. Lake Forest 3.9 (1)
5. Carroll 5.0
6. Illinois College 5.2
7. Grinnell 5.7
    Beloit 5.7
9. Knox 6.6
10. Lawrence 6.9
Does knox/beloit/lawrence have academic recruiting hurdles?  Most likely not?, so its just showing the recent trend in the MWC, and wont limit Grinnell to see success they saw in the early 90's.  Just my thoughts.  Interesting when you look at the top 4 as the only to win a championship

However, I think you can pretty much ask anyone and realize the last 4 teams on that list are by far the best 4 academic institutions in the MWC, so there definitely is a trend....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2009, 06:28:11 PM
Success in football corelates to academic acceptance standards, not neccessarily academic prestige i think.  The top half of teams on the list seem to have the most bodies on the sidelines, resulting in more depth, which to me results in more success
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on September 15, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
The 100 player roster limits in the WIAC tend to say differently.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2009, 06:56:59 PM
Its different in the MWC though and there is a large difference in roster sizes between teams.  With the smaller rosters being the schools that are the top academic schools.  Atleast smaller rosters being an observation from my point of view seeing games for that last five or so years
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 15, 2009, 07:07:39 PM
In my mind acceptance standards are so deceiving in telling how good of an education you actually get and how well a school prepares you for the future.

While schools like grinnell, knox, and lawrence are harder to get into, I think all the schools in the conf. can boast about equally in respect to successful and accomplished alumni.  Isn't that the final goal?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on September 15, 2009, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on September 15, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
The 100 player roster limits in the WIAC tend to say differently.

The hundred man roster only helps the WIAC schools to cut out the players that cannot hack it and helps keep the quality of the program high.  They more than likely have cuts.  And if they do then the competition brings out the best in the players they keep.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 15, 2009, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: Jester76 on September 15, 2009, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on September 15, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
The 100 player roster limits in the WIAC tend to say differently.

The hundred man roster only helps the WIAC schools to cut out the players that cannot hack it and helps keep the quality of the program high.  They more than likely have cuts.  And if they do then the competition brings out the best in the players they keep.

They do cut players in the WIAC...my neighbors son got cut @ Eau Claire, prior to this season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 16, 2009, 10:19:36 AM
A couple questions / comments

1. Does the roster limitation apply to Varsity? If so they can have all they want on a JV or Red shirt team?
2. MWC does NOT have spring football. How much does that affect success?

I also agree that there are plenty of good athletes that score high in ACT. So I agree that is not the reason for some football programs not doing as well as others. I also agree that a good higher education is not just based on academic standards to get in. I am also not so sure about some of the schools listed as the higher academic schools and leaving out others.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on September 16, 2009, 10:22:41 AM
WIAC can have 100 total in the entire program. The JV is made up from players in that 100. There are no red shirts allowed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on September 16, 2009, 11:26:49 AM
How about some thoughts and predictions for this weekend?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 16, 2009, 11:36:14 AM
Beloit at Monmouth 1 p.m.
Grinnell at Carroll 1 p.m.
Knox at Ripon 1 p.m.
Lake Forest at Illinois College 1 p.m.
Lawrence at St. Norbert 1 p.m.

Monmouth
St. Norbert
Ripon
Those are the easy choices. So should we go out on a limb on some of these?

I think Grinnell may catch Carroll.
I would like to go real crazy but I have to stay with Illinois College.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on September 16, 2009, 11:41:50 AM
What can LFC expect from IC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 16, 2009, 11:46:19 AM
Lots of down field passing
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2009, 11:51:17 AM
Grinnell over Carroll 14-11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 16, 2009, 11:54:50 AM
All right scottie    ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 16, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
Beliot vs Monmouth- Monmouth
Grinnell vs Carroll-  Carroll
Knox vs Ripon- Ripon
Lake Forest vs IC- IC
Lawrence vs St. Norbert- Norbert
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on September 16, 2009, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 15, 2009, 06:56:59 PM
Its different in the MWC though and there is a large difference in roster sizes between teams.  With the smaller rosters being the schools that are the top academic schools.  Atleast smaller rosters being an observation from my point of view seeing games for that last five or so years

Maybe the smaller rosters are just the schools that appropriate thier athletic budgets more evenly over all sports--both sexes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on September 16, 2009, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 15, 2009, 07:07:39 PM
In my mind acceptance standards are so deceiving in telling how good of an education you actually get and how well a school prepares you for the future.

While schools like grinnell, knox, and lawrence are harder to get into, I think all the schools in the conf. can boast about equally in respect to successful and accomplished alumni.  Isn't that the final goal?
:o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 16, 2009, 02:20:11 PM
In 30 plus years of following the MWC the only roster limits I've heard of are related to travel. Post season NCAA play excepted of course. Every school pretty much has a "no-cut" policy. So if school A has 95 football players and school B only has 55, that means that school A has been more successful in the recruiting area.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 16, 2009, 03:07:53 PM
I think the Grinnell vs Carroll game will be a good game this weekend.  those two teams in my mind have had the more surprising outcomes thus far. it will be a good guage of what to expect from either team this year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on September 16, 2009, 03:59:10 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 16, 2009, 10:19:36 AM

2. MWC does NOT have spring football. How much does that affect success?



Most definitley it does.. I mean your not going to get kids graduating early to participate in spring practice but its extra days of coaching with the depth chart that your going to be using (for the most part minus a couple freshmen) in the fall. If coaches are putting in a new scheme or if there is a new coordinator they can implement that stuff so the kids have a basic understanding of what they are doing and can work on it over summer. I'm sure most schools, at least the successful ones, have players that want to win and work hard and get the guys out there on their own for 7 on 7 and stuff to try and stay sharp. I think its something that shold be implemented to help raise the quality of football in the conference.

Beloit at Monmouth:sorry roop.. scots 42-bucs 14
Grinnell at Carroll-Grinnell moves to 2-0 in the conf. with a 21-18 thriller
Knox at Ripon-Ripon finally plays well against knox and wins 40-7
Lake Forest at Illinois College- IC wins in a barn burner 49-38
Lawrence at St. Norbert-Knights get back on track 45-10

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2009, 04:53:01 PM
Quote from: MWCalum on September 16, 2009, 03:59:10 PM

Beloit at Monmouth:sorry roop.. scots 42-bucs 14
Grinnell at Carroll-Grinnell moves to 2-0 in the conf. with a 21-18 thriller
Knox at Ripon-Ripon finally plays well against knox and wins 40-7
Lake Forest at Illinois College- IC wins in a barn burner 49-38
Lawrence at St. Norbert-Knights get back on track 45-10



Do you know something we don't know?   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 16, 2009, 05:02:47 PM
Hello???    ???

A win is a win in the record books. No matter how ugly!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 16, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 16, 2009, 03:07:53 PM
I think the Grinnell vs Carroll game will be a good game this weekend.  those two teams in my mind have had the more surprising outcomes thus far. it will be a good guage of what to expect from either team this year

I agree.  I believe that this will be a good game and the outcome is certainly in doubt. 

The big question is whether or not Grinnell can finish a game and get a win?  The inability to finish a game is the sign of an inexperienced team that does not know how to win.  Grinnell likely will suffer from this syndrome more than I would like to see this fall.  I hope that I am wrong and that Grinnell can "get off of the field" with defensive stops while finishing offensive drives.  If they can do this, Grinnell will win more games than last year.  I believe it is possible and the game against Carroll is a chance to prove it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 16, 2009, 06:13:02 PM
Ripon vs Knox is always a good defensive match up since these two defenses are the only ones who get a true triple option look in practice.  We've always stalled on offense against the prairie fire but this year should be a blow out. i hope.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on September 17, 2009, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 16, 2009, 04:53:01 PM
Quote from: MWCalum on September 16, 2009, 03:59:10 PM

Beloit at Monmouth:sorry roop.. scots 42-bucs 14
Grinnell at Carroll-Grinnell moves to 2-0 in the conf. with a 21-18 thriller
Knox at Ripon-Ripon finally plays well against knox and wins 40-7
Lake Forest at Illinois College- IC wins in a barn burner 49-38
Lawrence at St. Norbert-Knights get back on track 45-10



sorry... got ahead of myself.. dont moral victories count? haha.. sorry.. maybe more like 1-1

Do you know something we don't know?   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 17, 2009, 08:44:51 AM
 ;D

I think we all realize that Grinnell is a vastly improved team. They are going to surprise some teams out there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 17, 2009, 02:57:44 PM
No prediction from Roop this week.......

This week is Beloit's chance to truly show the conference what they are made of and prove that their domination of Carroll wasn't a fluke.

How do they respond?

Interesting preview from the Monmouth perspective: http://www.monm.edu/sportsinfo/releases/2009/1.football-beloit_preview_09-17-09.htm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 17, 2009, 03:44:57 PM
Nice article but it sounds like preemptive "coach speak" to me. So if the game is closer than it should be then he is covered.

If Andrew Reich isn't available to give Beloit a kicking game, this will be a lopsided affair; simple as that. They've only made two PATs this season and Carrolls average starting position following a Beloit kick off was the 43. Not bad coverage, just bad kicking. Give Monmouth that same field position and nobody outside a BCS conference will stop them. 

At the same time Beloits defense did manage to shut down Carroll after their first possession and should have won 42-7 had they not fumbled hand offs twice on consecutive possessions while driving in Carroll territory.

Clearly this is a game in which neither team has faced anybody so who knows what will happen. I still don't like Beloits chances however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 17, 2009, 04:38:02 PM
Good luck to the Scots and Bucs in the first MWC GOY, "Somethins' gotta give!"

Sadly, the game will be immediately following the funeral of MC's 15-year faculty athletic representative.  Having been retired for 3 years, most of the 2009 roster didn't have the privilege of knowing him.  But there will probably be many emotionally-drained fans in the crowd looking for the Scots to provide a much needed pick-me-up.  (Add one touchdown to the Scots side of the ledger....)

Also, unfortunately, Scottie will be hunkered down in a doctoral seminar until about 3:00 on Saturday....perhaps only able to hurry home for the final few minutes of the webcast.  


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 18, 2009, 07:48:02 AM
Doesn't sound like Andrew Reich will be available but I noticed this morning that Beloit has added a kicker to their roster since yesterday. Will this be enough to put them over the top ?? Probably not but their chances just got better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 18, 2009, 08:56:43 AM
Midnight raid on the soccer team no doubt.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 18, 2009, 09:04:28 AM
Nice theory but no mention of him on that roster the past two seasons. He's a Beloit kid but the name doesn't ring any bells. Maybe he can ring a "Bell" in Monmouth this weekend. Thank you, thank you very much.......................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on September 18, 2009, 10:15:01 AM
?-Is there an NCAA rule on roster size when traveling or is it up to the schools?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 18, 2009, 10:23:46 AM
Regular season it is up to the schools. Post season the NCAA allows a 55 man roster.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 18, 2009, 02:20:46 PM
Picks for Week 3:

Beloit @ Monmouth - MC
Grinnell @ Carroll - CU
Knox @ Ripon - RC
Lake Forest @ Illinois C. - IC
Lawrence @ St. Norbert - SNC

Feeling pretty good about Monmouth, Ripon, and St. Norbert.  Taking IC in a game where alot of points should be scored--a shootout like MWCalum predicted.  Not sure what to do with the Pio Battle...taking Carroll since it's their first home game of the season and I'll give them the nod off of that.

scottie - I actually knew Doc outside of his job as a professor at MC...he was my next door neighbor when I was a kid growing up and I've known him as long as I can remember.  He really was a great all-around person and will be missed by many people.  I wish I could be in Monmouth on Saturday for the services and the game afterwards, but won't be able to make it to either unforunately.

Good luck Fighting Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on September 18, 2009, 04:22:44 PM
Just curious about LFC v IC. Several posts calling for a shootout. I cannot see LFC putting up alot of points unless the O-Line improves.  Their D was impressive against Aurora but not against Ribon, if they play the way they did in the first game they make a game of it, but still show weakness against the pass.  IC Offense, run or pass?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 18, 2009, 11:25:09 PM
MONMOUTH VS. BELOIT....BATTLE OF UNBEATENS....S O M  E T H I N' S   G O T T A   G I V E ! ! !                         >:( HEY, WAIT FOR ME!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 19, 2009, 10:47:50 AM
Good Morning MWC   ;D  It is another fantastic autumn day in De Pere. The Sun is shining  8) and it is expected to hit 75 degrees today.

The tailgaters are starting early at Minahan Stadium with the Yoopers bringing out the heavy artillery in trailer grills. Pulled pork.  :D

It is still early though and the main crowd is probably an hour away.

I hope to post updates during the game from the crackberry if I can figure it out. They may be cryptic though so bear with me.

So, let's have a great day of football and NO INJURIES.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 02:27:04 PM
SNCOLDAD - got you covered.

14-0 SNC with 3:54 left in the first. Two nice drives by the Knights.

LU's QB missed a wide open wr for a TD earlier.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 02:32:35 PM
When did Lawrence lose the horns on their helmets? No horn, no number...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 19, 2009, 02:33:14 PM
Where you sitting puckfan?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 02:36:31 PM
At the far west edge of the press box, top row, about the 40... In the shade!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on September 19, 2009, 02:51:54 PM
Monmouth 21-0 end of first quarter...

Scots are about to score again....

Beloit has only put together 1 decent drive ended with a fumble recovery by the scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
21-0 SNC with an 80-yard td pass.

LU had one good drive earlier but stalled out, went for it on 4th down and didn't convert.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 19, 2009, 03:12:22 PM
Standing top row 50.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2009, 03:15:06 PM
MC up 38-0 with 5:00 left in 2nd quarter.  I guess something gave, alright.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
Halftime
St. Norbert 24
Lawrence 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2009, 03:20:51 PM
Bricker with a highlight-reel TD run.  MC 45-0 before halftime.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 03:25:05 PM
Illinois Col 14
Lake Forest 7
Half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on September 19, 2009, 03:38:34 PM
Brickers run sportscenter top 10...

scots are dominating on both sides of the ball...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 03:40:29 PM
Carroll 14
Grinnell 14
Half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 04:00:46 PM
SNC well on its way to a 12th straight over the Lawrence Vikings.

31-3 with just a few seconds left in the third.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 04:06:25 PM
When things aren't going your way.... SNC recovers fumble and returns for a TD. I think the knight had a knee on the ground when he picked up the ball, but the ref let him return it. 38-3 early 4th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2009, 04:15:54 PM
Yeah, 52-0, blah blah blah...is anyone else less than satisfied with the Penn Atlantic connections? Mine is sucking long time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 04:28:29 PM
Ripon 40
Knox 0
End 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 04:40:20 PM
Never much doubt in De Pere, as SNC wins, 45-3

That said, LU had a wide open reciever for what woulda been  a td once, and another pass through wr's fingers. Make those two and coulda been 24-14 SNC at half - and maybe a different game. But LU never made a big play all day.

LFC up next for the Knights.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on September 19, 2009, 04:52:30 PM
scots-58

bucs- 0

i left with 2 min left...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 19, 2009, 05:55:41 PM
Carroll gets their first win of the year 28-21 over Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2009, 06:12:42 PM
more finals:

Ripon 47, Knox 0
Illinois College 21, Lake Forest 7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 19, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
OK, here's what happened. Beloit never opened up the playbook today because they are saving it for the Pool C play-in game @St. Norbert in late October. Wartburg will tank and MacMurray will run the table to make all this possible.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mustangsfootball on September 19, 2009, 09:37:27 PM
I'm somewhat surprised by the score of Beloit, but not the outcome. I was not able to see the game so what happened? As for my comment of Beloit V. Carroll as GOY I meant it was GOY for Beloit. THat game imo was more imporant for Beloit as it was a rivalry game and would be a test of whether or not Beloit had a decent team. Next week I guess we'll see if Beloit bounces back. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 19, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Don't be that surprised. I've just learned that all the officials were Mt. Union grads desperate to keep Beloit out of the play offs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 20, 2009, 04:44:45 PM
58-0 vs. Beloit

How do you suppose Carroll (who lost decisively to Beloit) approaches next weeks game against the Scots?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on September 20, 2009, 04:49:41 PM
With fear and trepidation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 21, 2009, 10:42:21 AM
Not so fast, coco!!    :D  It all depends on the Carroll pass defense.    

Since Tanney basically played only 1/2 of each of the last two games, I've taken the liberty to compile his last four quarters (approximately) of work.  If the Pios can stop this, they might have a chance:

50-67, 604 yards, 8 TDs, 0 Ints.

Avg. time of MC's last 17 scoring drives = Approxmately 1:30.

p.s.  Somebody PLEASE tell me that Bricker's TD run is on Youtube.  If not, we'll have to wait for the season highlight tape.  Holy Cow!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on September 21, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 21, 2009, 10:42:21 AM
Since Tanney basically played only 1/2 of each of the last two games, I've taken the liberty to compile his last four quarters (approximately) of work.  If the Pios can stop this, they might have a chance:

50-67, 604 yards, 8 TDs, 0 Ints.

Avg. time of MC's last 17 scoring drives = Approxmately 1:30.

Could he not make the entrance scores to go DI?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 21, 2009, 01:38:43 PM
You are suggesting that D3 entrance is easier than D1?    ???

That should open up a BIG CAN this week.  :-X

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 21, 2009, 02:08:25 PM
PC: There are so many different ways to respond to that, that I think I'll just let it pass....  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 21, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
I am thinking his name should change to p I c, as in politically IN - correct   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 21, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
Stats from Saturdays Option Showdown still making me chuckle:

Rushing Yards:  RC- 473   KC- 80
Passing Yards:  RC- 77     KC- 8
Total Offense:   RC- 550   KC- 88
First Downs (not via penalty):  RC- 24  KC- 3

Ripon might struggle holding IC to less passing yards this upcoming week

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on September 21, 2009, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: PC on September 21, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 21, 2009, 10:42:21 AM
Since Tanney basically played only 1/2 of each of the last two games, I've taken the liberty to compile his last four quarters (approximately) of work.  If the Pios can stop this, they might have a chance:

50-67, 604 yards, 8 TDs, 0 Ints.

Avg. time of MC's last 17 scoring drives = Approxmately 1:30.

Could he not make the entrance scores to go DI?

PC,
I'll give you a nice shiny quarter if you'll post this on the NESCAC board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 21, 2009, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: coco on September 21, 2009, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: PC on September 21, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 21, 2009, 10:42:21 AM
Since Tanney basically played only 1/2 of each of the last two games, I've taken the liberty to compile his last four quarters (approximately) of work.  If the Pios can stop this, they might have a chance:

50-67, 604 yards, 8 TDs, 0 Ints.

Avg. time of MC's last 17 scoring drives = Approxmately 1:30.

Could he not make the entrance scores to go DI?

PC,
I'll give you a nice shiny quarter if you'll post this on the NESCAC board.

Methinks everyone is missing PC's dry, sarcastic wit.

Of course, if that's not the case then he is an idiot. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 21, 2009, 04:38:24 PM
Come on, people, PC was clearly joking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 21, 2009, 04:50:19 PM
Sorry. I guess his wit is too dry for me to catch on that one. I will try to be a little more open minded.

Sorry pc. :-\

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 21, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
'Don't quit your day job.'   (drumroll!)  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 21, 2009, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: basil991 on September 18, 2009, 10:15:01 AM
?-Is there an NCAA rule on roster size when traveling or is it up to the schools?

Usually it is up to the schools, but some conferences, like the IIAC, limit the number of players you can travel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCalum on September 22, 2009, 10:52:46 AM
according to the website the Ripon D tied the school record for passing yards given up in a game at 8 and the offense was 3rd in school history in rushing yards.. good day for the hawks.. most likely a little different this week..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 22, 2009, 12:45:24 PM
Now hold IC to 8 yds passing this week on the 60 pass attempts they are gonna have
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 22, 2009, 12:54:47 PM
why did Carroll have to save their night games for Beloit and IC?

would've loved to see the Scots play under the lights one game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 22, 2009, 02:35:54 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 22, 2009, 12:54:47 PM
why did Carroll have to save their night games for Beloit and IC?

would've loved to see the Scots play under the lights one game

Now that MC has lights at their new kick-a$$ stadium, a night game may be in order at some point.  How about the Turkey Bowl under the lights next time the good guys host?    ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 22, 2009, 04:20:30 PM
I would love a night game sometime before the end of next year. But I also like the tradition of Saturday afternoon for college games. Friday night is high school.  ;D

I would thin that one a year for a school would be great. But it has to be against a geographically close rival. So your MC - Knox would work great. Maybe a LU - SNC or LU - Ripon could also work.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 22, 2009, 07:31:09 PM
I see Wartburg plays Loras this week.

Possible insight as to who had a more impressive opening win? MC or SNC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 22, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
Wow. OK what was Loras ranked and what was monmouth ranked?
What was Wartburg ranked and what was SNC ranked? 
Who was supposed to win their respective games?
I am biased. And I admit it.
You tell me!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 22, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
I wasn't talking about the matchups.

More like maybe.....just maybe the Loras-Wartburg game will tell us if it's more impressive to have a win over Loras or a win over Wartburg on your resume this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 23, 2009, 09:10:38 AM
I understand now.  :)

I expect that will be a very good game. I wonder if they will be asking a similar question in a couple weeks?  ???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 23, 2009, 07:55:49 PM
Hello?!?!?  Anyone?!?!?


Saturday, September 26      Time
Beloit at Knox                      1 p.m.
Lawrence at Grinnell            1 p.m.
Monmouth at Carroll            1 p.m.
Ripon at Illinois College       1 p.m.
St. Norbert at Lake Forest   1 p.m.

Beloit
Grinnell
Monmouth
Ah...Oh... Ripon???
St. Norbert


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 23, 2009, 10:00:51 PM
Ripon v. IC might be interesting

I'd pick all the favorites this week though

and yes, Grinnell looks to be a clear favorite....it's been awhile for that
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2009, 11:35:44 PM
What does Roop Vegas have for the over/under for the big Beloit/Knox game?  Will offensive futility or defensive futility reign supreme?

Reds against Blues down in Jacksonville appears to be the GOITW (game of interest this week). 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 24, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
Good news. I just saved a bunch of money by switching from Progressive to State Farm....................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 24, 2009, 04:21:28 PM
The IC offense vs the Ripon defense will be the matchup thats interesting.  IC has not really figured out the triple option in the years past.  Could be a higher scoring game than Ripon is used so far in MWC play.  I see Ripon having no problem as this is a very similar IC team from last year that Ripon put away in the first half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 24, 2009, 05:12:02 PM
Look for a teens/twenties affair in Galesburg this weekend. Take Beloit -9.5 and the over/under is 45.

FYI. "C'Mere Deer" doesn't bring them in quite as well as their tv commercials suggest.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 24, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 24, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
Good news. I just saved a bunch of money by switching from Progressive to State Farm....................

As a State Farm agent I commend you for making a wise decision. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 24, 2009, 05:57:52 PM
Half price for the same coverage was hard to ignore, and it shut my dad up at the same time which was far more important.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 24, 2009, 07:29:11 PM
Here are my picks for the week...

Beloit vs Knox- Beloit
Lawrence vs Grinnell- Grinnell
Monmouth vs Carroll- Monmouth ( rain may play a factor)
Ripon vs IC- IC (upset of the week)
St. Norbert vs Lake Forest- St. Norbert



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 25, 2009, 01:58:29 PM
IC over Ripon, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. First one to 40 wins.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 25, 2009, 02:18:44 PM
Picks for Week 3:

Beloit @ Knox - BC
Lawrence @ Grinnell - GC
Monmouth @ Carroll - MC
Ripon @ Illinois C. - RC
St. Norbert @ Lake Forest - SNC

For once, I'm actually feeling good about all my picks this week...of course that probably means something strange is bound to happen somewhere around the MWC.  Anyone else out there making some picks this week???

Good luck Fighting Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 25, 2009, 04:21:24 PM
Beloit 14, Knox 11
Grinnell 14, Larry 11
Monmouth 63, Carroll 14 (MC's second string gets it going in the second half.)
Ripon 11, IC 14
SNC 14, LF 11
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 25, 2009, 06:05:05 PM
scottie, I am disappointed in you. But then again, you are being hopeful. Can't blame you for that. :)
14-11 on 2 separate games???
What is with that?

MC at CU and you still say 63?

And SNC? Scottie, scottie, scottie. I am truly embarrassed by you!!!! 


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 25, 2009, 10:43:16 PM
I'd give scottie a break. He's got all that doctoral nonsense going on right now that he doesn't spend enough time off campus. All he can remember is 14-11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 26, 2009, 10:44:58 AM
I guess I didnt realize Ripon was on upset alert this week  ???, i shouldve watched college gameday a little closer.  i may be biased? but i see the hawks having no problem against the blueboys, as they win their 12th game in the last 13 meetings between the two. Other games are clear

MC- 55  CU - 10
BC- 28  KC- 7
LU- 10  GC- 35
SNC-38  LFC- 14

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 26, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
also IC vs. RC game is not being broadcast on MWCTV due to technical difficulties. penn atlantic/MWCTV is really dropping the ball this year...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 26, 2009, 10:59:48 AM
OK Green Knights it is early in the season and our best hope over here in Orange Knight country is for you to keep winning.  As I view possible playoff bids 2 months from now, St. Nobert could get in with a second place MWC finish if Wartburg goes undefeated in the IIAC and Wartburg has a very slight chance of getting in with a second place finish in the IIAC if St. Norbert goes undefeated.  

I guess the only sure bet is for both to win out the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 26, 2009, 02:48:35 PM
17 to 3 Monmouth leading Carroll early 2nd quarter...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 26, 2009, 03:17:31 PM
SNC-28  LFC-6  Half
MC-24  CU-3    Half
GC-28  LU-0   Half
BC-14  KC-7   Half
RC- ??  IC- ??    ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 26, 2009, 03:41:45 PM
NEWSFLASH! 

Waukesha, WI: Alex Tanney threw an interception in the first half.  The 14 yard attempt only traveled 11.

(Kudos to the Pios for the defensive effort.  Too many CC TOs.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 26, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
SNC up 35-6, 11:00 left in 4th

Grinnell up 35-0 at end of 3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 26, 2009, 04:34:37 PM
LFC's #71 Fernando Lisado (sorry that's what it sounded like) for LFC leaving the field in an ambulance. He gave the crowd a thumbs up, the announcers said. Sounds like they immobilized him.

Hopefully he's OK and everything is precautionary.

Still 8:13 left in the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 26, 2009, 04:37:23 PM
I guess everyone saw something i didnt  :-\

Ripon came away in a dog fight with the W, 14-0.
IC had the ball inside the RC 15 with 30 seconds to go down 7-0, and the RC safety picked Niekamp off at the goal line and returned it 100 yards for a TD to seal the victory with 17 seconds left.  Crazy finish.  

Second shutout in a row for the hawks though.  The offense better figure things out before MC comes to town
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 26, 2009, 04:41:07 PM
Final
Monmouth 41
Carroll 3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 26, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
Bucs 42 Fire 14. Sloppy offensive display by Beloit. Could be a record for turning it over on downs and still winning. Special teams bailed them out and they finally got it rolling.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 26, 2009, 04:56:06 PM
Final
St. Norbert 35
Lake Forest 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 26, 2009, 05:29:10 PM
Pretty good though redmen, not easy to shut out IC's offense

It's supposed to be easy to score on them though :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 26, 2009, 05:42:24 PM
Since scottie hasn't mentioned it, I might as well. I think 35-14 vs. Lake Forest is worse than 14-11 vs. Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 26, 2009, 06:00:11 PM
Final
Grinnell 42
Lawrence 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 26, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
For those of you interested, Lake Forest did have a player taken off the field on a stretcher as stated earlier. He was on his feet after the play and then he went down. They immediately held his helmet steady until the paramedics woke up at the other end of the field. He was immobilized for precautionary. I was told after the game by a trainer that he had some numbness on one side. Prayers to the player.

And Roop. I do look forward to the Beloit game. Let's see. LFC on the very first play from scrimmage ran for a TD. They did not score again until late in the 4th quarter if I remember correctly. Not that it matters, as all teams can have issues, but SNC had 12 guys out with the flu. They were moving guys out of their normal residences to quarantine them as precautionary measures. But those things happen.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 27, 2009, 12:28:42 AM
I know it's tempting to look past Monmouth to the Beloit game, but look what happened to Beloit when they looked past Monmouth. Scots could be for real this year so I'd keep an eye on them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 27, 2009, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 26, 2009, 10:44:58 AM

MC- 55  CU - 10
BC- 28  KC- 7
LU- 10  GC- 35
SNC-38  LFC- 14



....not bad predictions. too bad vegas doesnt handle mwc football
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 27, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
The "good ole boys club" has voted. Monmouth is stuck at 11, AGAIN, while 1-2 Ohio Northern remains in the poll at 16. Not sure losing to Mt. Union by 20 justifies that much respect; especially when you drop two straight.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2009, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 27, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
The "good ole boys club" has voted. Monmouth is stuck at 11, AGAIN, while 1-2 Ohio Northern remains in the poll at 16. Not sure losing to Mt. Union by 20 justifies that much respect; especially when you drop two straight.

Bear in mind that ONU was tied with MUC at halftime - I'd guess you could count the number of teams who have pulled that off in the last decade without taking off your shoes! ;)  Their other loss was by two points AT (now) #13 Otterbein. 

And that 2-point loss on the road to a very good team DID cost them 156 points and 7 slots!  You want 'em drawn-and-quartered too? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2009, 08:09:52 PM
And they've still beaten North Central, which is a better team than anyone in the MWC is playing this year. They opened the season with three ranked teams.

What has Monmouth done in 2009 to deserve a No. 11 ranking, let alone something higher?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 27, 2009, 10:07:23 PM
You tell 'em Pat.  ;)

At least SNC beat a ranked team the first week of the season.  ;D  Come On Wartburg. Keep Winning.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 28, 2009, 12:19:12 AM
I agree that Ohio Northern is worth a Top 25 spot, but why did Central vault ahead of Monmouth? They haven't really beaten anyone other than Stevens Point, who was only ranked so high because of last year's upset of Whitewater. That one is a head scratcher to me. Tough to rank all these teams though so I'm not being critical, just wondering.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 28, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
Here we go.....   ;)

The reality of it all, I guess, is that MC is lucky even to be in the top 25, or receiving votes, right?  Never mind that they could probably be averaging  close to 100 ppg in the MWC so far if they kept the 1st stringers for much longer than a half per game - 3 of whom this very source, somehow, named preseason All-Americans.  What were they thinking???   No team in the MWC should ever be nationally ranked in any sport.....ever.  Our unbiased webmaster might not publicly agree, but my guess is that he's nodding approvingly while filling out next weeks ballot already and mucking with my karma points.   ;) ;)

Please note:  I did not start this conversation.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2009, 01:14:51 AM
I'd say Ohio Northern definitely the 16th best team in the nation or better....but I think you should be punished in the poll for being 1-2, unless you played 3 quality Division 1 or Division 2 teams with scholarships.  It's the poll for week 4...not what you think the final poll is gonna be.  Comparison: If say preseason unranked Tennessee (Ohio Northern) opens with a win against Penn State (North Central), then drops two straight to Florida (Mount Union), and Georgia (Otterbein).......are they still ranked 16th in the polls?

What I don't get is how a win over Coe allows Central to jump Monmouth.  Yes, Central's win over Stevens Point was impressive but why wouldn't they have been ahead of the Scots last week? Why the jump this week?

It just seems weird for Monmouth to keep winning (and winning big like they should against some weaker teams on their schedule) but to keep getting jumped by teams.  Feels like voters are finding ways to keep the Scots out of the top 10 until they win playoff games.

I guess the Scots regular season schedule is so weak that voters feel 10 teams would put up even better numbers against who Monmouth plays.  Really a diss to the whole conference and the whole conference should look at that, feel disrepected, and step their game up.  I mean Pat thinks they shouldn't even be #11.  Dunno its hard to improve your overall conference perception when everyone only plays 1 non-conference game a year.

Lawrence: you lost to Monmouth 56-3 and the first string played one series in the second half, but against 10 or more teams it would've been worse

Beloit: you lost to Monmouth 58-0, but against the best team or someone good from the Roop's aforementioned "good ole boy" conferences (OAC, WIAC, MIAC, CCIW, ASC, E8, NJAC, ACFC) it prolly would've been 98-0

Carroll: you lost to Monmouth 41-3, but well you lost to Beloit (sorry Roop), that means a "GOB" team would simply take the field and trip into a hundred point victory

Loras: your 19 point loss to Monmouth means you should prolly just give it up and drop the football program

St. Norbert/Ripon: If you beat Monmouth this year....don't even get excited unless you blow them out.

Nationally noone believes in Monmouth yet, and I've realized as an MC fan that I actually prefer that.  In fact I'm rooting for SNC to go 9-1, get in, and for 2 MWC teams to make playoff runs.

Down with GOBs! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 04:52:15 AM
How does the saying go "You shouldn't punish a team in the rankings for their conference schedule because they have no control over it " ?? Well if that's true then you shouldn't over-reward (beyond their record) other teams for their conference schedule either. MWCfan787 sums that up perfectly in his first sentence.

I think Monmouth is a top 5 team but it's hard to prove that with only 1 non-conference game to work with each year. Given the way the west bracket is likely to shake out they may have a top 10 opponent in the 2nd round. Then if they lose everybody will say "Yup, same old MWC again."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 05:48:38 AM
Here's kind of what I have in mind for the west bracket. And yes I deliberately created a nightmare scenario for the NCAA with 3 west coast teams as there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there at the moment. The rest involves some imaginary crystal ball work and how economics effect seedings.

Linfield A
@UW-Whitewater A

Redlands B
@Occidental A

Wheaton C
@St. Johns A

Monmouth A
@Central A

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on September 28, 2009, 07:35:15 AM
Simple solution. WIAC is begging for games. Use the one game you have and schedule them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 07:46:39 AM
Easier said than done as the two conferences have a different number of teams. Besides, I haven't heard of the WIAC begging for games from MWC teams recently. Instead the idea is to schedule non-conference games against conference opponents to save on travel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 28, 2009, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 07:46:39 AM
Easier said than done as the two conferences have a different number of teams. Besides, I haven't heard of the WIAC begging for games from MWC teams recently. Instead the idea is to schedule non-conference games against conference opponents to save on travel.

That's kind of the last gasp alternative, sort of like, if hell freezes over tomorrow ;) . Playing a conference foe twice is one of those, been there, done that scenarios - no one really wants for that to happen again.  What I think the conference prefers are games vs schools within the state or within a certain radius of bordering states, rather than having to travel to Texas, California, North Dakota, Washington, Tennessee, Florida, Oregon, Ohio, and the beat goes on, etc. for games. I don't know Roop, it seems a lot easier than you think!! The MWC needs notoriety, the WIAC needs games close to home. The unbalanced leagues shouldn't be a show-stopper. Sounds to me like a match made in heaven!! The perception I get is when push comes to shove, you're willing to back down. It's a two-way street - you can't have it both ways.  Someone has to put their money where their mouth is, or it's just blowing hot air.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 09:09:39 AM
I don't have a problem with scheduling those games, I just don't think a series like that would ever happen because of the politics involved. Why should the sweet, innocent, small private college have to risk getting mauled by the big, mean, evil public university, etc. etc. I think it's silly and unfortunate but that's how it works in many cases; and it's not just a MWC thing. Top to bottom the CCIW would be a more competitive series of games vs. the WIAC but my theory is why that hasn't happened either.

Beyond that I will speculate a little bit. Would we actually see Whitewater vs. Monmouth or Point vs. St. Norbert ?? Probably not. Teams at the top of the WIAC have an eye on Salem every year so why risk a D3 loss that might keep you out of the play offs. Instead we probably get Whitewater vs. Lake Forest and Point vs. Lawrence.

Why not kick Superior in the pants and have them get a football program started, then you've only got 2 non-conference games to fill. In the mean time Beloit has Blackburn the next 2 years but if Whitewater wanted to buy them out I'm sure Beloit would give them a game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2009, 09:27:53 AM
Holy Crap!?!?!?   I stay away for a little while and look what happens.  :(

I guess the only solution is to break up the MWC and either re-distribute teams, or start a couple new conferences or a combination of both. Maybe that will make everyone happy.  :P  :P  :P

#1  We are all biased.  :o Yes we are. I toward SNC, Roop and Beloit, Pat, scottie, all of us. And not just on our favorite team.
#2  Some conferences are stronger than others. Duh!?!?   :-\
#3  Some conference rules inhibit strengthening football programs. Others rules encourage.  :o
#4  Monmouth has a pretty good team in a fairly weak football conference.  :-\  Hello? Boise State?    ::)
#5 Polls are SUBJECTIVE.  8)  Always have been. Always will be.

If any of you were at the Norbert - Lake Forest game on Saturday you sat for 15-20 minutes in pretty much STONE QUIET as the paramedics stabilized a Lake Forest player. And then as he was being loaded into the ambulance, the place exploded as that player gave a thumbs up for all to see. Stay in perspective

Let's play some football. Let's root for our team.Don't boo the opposition.

scottie, I am with you on the 9-1 season, except for one small detail.  ::) Monmouth be 9-1 and get into the playoffs.  ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 28, 2009, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 09:09:39 AM
I don't have a problem with scheduling those games, I just don't think a series like that would ever happen because of the politics involved. Why should the sweet, innocent, small private college have to risk getting mauled by the big, mean, evil public university, etc. etc. I think it's silly and unfortunate but that's how it works in many cases; and it's not just a MWC thing. Top to bottom the CCIW would be a more competitive series of games vs. the WIAC but my theory is why that hasn't happened either.

Beyond that I will speculate a little bit. Would we actually see Whitewater vs. Monmouth or Point vs. St. Norbert ?? Probably not. Teams at the top of the WIAC have an eye on Salem every year so why risk a D3 loss that might keep you out of the play offs. Instead we probably get Whitewater vs. Lake Forest and Point vs. Lawrence.

Why not kick Superior in the pants and have them get a football program started, then you've only got 2 non-conference games to fill. In the mean time Beloit has Blackburn the next 2 years but if Whitewater wanted to buy them out I'm sure Beloit would give them a game.

It's the politics that have kept it from ever happening...jumping out of the box is the only thing that will break the stalemate.  Your solution?  Send the CCIW to the lions - I bet you're not on their Christmas card list!! Your speculation makes me LMAO! I know you're just trying to be funny, but in a way I think you really believe what you're saying.

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2009, 09:27:53 AM
#4  Monmouth has a pretty good team in a fairly weak football conference.  :-\  Hello? Boise State?    ::)

???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 10:03:56 AM
In that a CCIW vs. WIAC series would be more competitive than a MWC vs. WIAC series; yes I was serious. IIAC or MIAC probably work as well. Beyond that I was just speculating. Play the NathCon for all I care as I don't schedule the games. But you are right, somebody needs to break the ice and it still looks pretty thick to me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 28, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
We should be thankful this isn't the FBS. As long as you keeping winning you'll get your chance to prove your team is for real. The polls are just to give us something to argue about. They ultimately mean nothing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
Just like Ohio Northerns chances of making the playoffs with 2 losses and being a 3rd place team in their conference. Hows that top 10 ranking at seasons end feel when you get snubbed ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2009, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on September 28, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
We should be thankful this isn't the FBS. As long as you keeping winning you'll get your chance to prove your team is for real. The polls are just to give us something to argue about. They ultimately mean nothing.

So true, and I love that about d3 football.  Just hope MC does enough to break into the GOB club so they can have tenure on top 10 rankings. ;D :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 28, 2009, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2009, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on September 28, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
We should be thankful this isn't the FBS. As long as you keeping winning you'll get your chance to prove your team is for real. The polls are just to give us something to argue about. They ultimately mean nothing.

So true, and I love that about d3 football.  Just hope MC does enough to break into the GOB club so they can have tenure on top 10 rankings. ;D :D

I've got some special real estate I'd like to talk to you about.   :o ;D >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 28, 2009, 01:37:49 PM
Ripon vs Oshkosh was the only consistent MWC/WIAC matchup in the past four years, and Ripon didnt fair too well with the exception of last year, maybe.  This was the last year of the contract for those two teams.  A win over UWO wouldve been impressive, but UWO has been a 'bottom feeder' in the WIAC during those last four years, so in the long run most people wouldnt have given it much credit. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2009, 01:14:51 AM
I'd say Ohio Northern definitely the 16th best team in the nation or better....but I think you should be punished in the poll for being 1-2, unless you played 3 quality Division 1 or Division 2 teams with scholarships.  It's the poll for week 4...not what you think the final poll is gonna be.  Comparison: If say preseason unranked Tennessee (Ohio Northern) opens with a win against Penn State (North Central), then drops two straight to Florida (Mount Union), and Georgia (Otterbein).......are they still ranked 16th in the polls?

What I don't get is how a win over Coe allows Central to jump Monmouth.  Yes, Central's win over Stevens Point was impressive but why wouldn't they have been ahead of the Scots last week? Why the jump this week?

It just seems weird for Monmouth to keep winning (and winning big like they should against some weaker teams on their schedule) but to keep getting jumped by teams.  Feels like voters are finding ways to keep the Scots out of the top 10 until they win playoff games.

I guess the Scots regular season schedule is so weak that voters feel 10 teams would put up even better numbers against who Monmouth plays.  Really a diss to the whole conference and the whole conference should look at that, feel disrepected, and step their game up.  I mean Pat thinks they shouldn't even be #11.  Dunno its hard to improve your overall conference perception when everyone only plays 1 non-conference game a year.

Lawrence: you lost to Monmouth 56-3 and the first string played one series in the second half, but against 10 or more teams it would've been worse

Beloit: you lost to Monmouth 58-0, but against the best team or someone good from the Roop's aforementioned "good ole boy" conferences (OAC, WIAC, MIAC, CCIW, ASC, E8, NJAC, ACFC) it prolly would've been 98-0

Carroll: you lost to Monmouth 41-3, but well you lost to Beloit (sorry Roop), that means a "GOB" team would simply take the field and trip into a hundred point victory

Loras: your 19 point loss to Monmouth means you should prolly just give it up and drop the football program

St. Norbert/Ripon: If you beat Monmouth this year....don't even get excited unless you blow them out.

Nationally noone believes in Monmouth yet, and I've realized as an MC fan that I actually prefer that.  In fact I'm rooting for SNC to go 9-1, get in, and for 2 MWC teams to make playoff runs.

Down with GOBs! ;D

Clearly nobody believes in Monmouth. Heck, they aren't even in the Top 25, right?

Ohh ... wait ... what voters don't believe is that Monmouth is a Top Nine or Top Eight team. Based on beating the NATHC champ last year and losing at home to the IIAC champ, then this year's results I can see why they're hitting the ceiling where they are. And we seem to have this discussion fairly often about the Midwest Conference, but with a 2-10 playoff record in the past decade it's easy to understand where the voters are coming from.

Quote from: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 07:46:39 AM
Besides, I haven't heard of the WIAC begging for games from MWC teams recently. Instead the idea is to schedule non-conference games against conference opponents to save on travel.

Yes, because the Midwest Conference and other leagues in the state won't schedule them. Wouldn't UWW rather play Monmouth than Midland Lutheran, or Ripon than Puget Sound?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2009, 02:29:16 PM
Pat's right - the MWC has to show it when it counts - in the playoffs.

Just like St. Norbert's at-large playoff bid in 1989 (pre-AQ) - and subsequent seven turnover, 55-7 loss to Central hurt the conference in terms of reputation and future bids, so does the conference's record in the AQ era.

SNC losing at home to UWEC hurts. Monmouth's win last year helps.

SNC has, at times, played WIAC schools. The last time SNC played some WIAC schools: Eau Claire '07 (playoffs), Whitewater '06 (playoffs, '05 reg season), LaCrosse '04 (playoffs), Oshkosh '99, Stevens Point '89.

Until we do better then - with the occaisional non-con impressive win - and get some conference teams that don't go winless (parity), I think a top-10 ranking may be unttainable and unwarranted.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2009, 02:34:03 PM
BINGO!

Pat and puck got it. We can respect Monmouth and we do. They are a good team and are ranked. But we also have to recognize the amount of research done by others on all conferences.

I think the final points made by Pat and supported by puckfan covers it.

GO WARTBURG!

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 28, 2009, 02:49:53 PM
A little humble haggus pie, if I may....  Ol' Scottie remembers when MC used to open its season with L's courtesy of Eureka.  They then scheduled Loras for two years, then Concordia (WI) for two, Wartburg for two, and now Loras again.  I believe I heard that Illinois Wesleyan is the next on contract.  So, generally, I think the Scots were interested in upgrading their schedule on a relative basis.  The program now appears ready for a WIAC opening test, but I'm sure that most MC backers, Scottie included, would never have believed they'd actually be ready to face a top UW-why-aren't-you-DII? team. 

So, in the meantime, let's just hope that the Scots are healthy going into the playoffs and can put their best foot forward - and also that either SNC or Beloit can finish the season with one loss and make the selection show interesting.  :)  (With one loss already, Ripon would have to beat MC so I am not including them in Scottie's "Three to watch.") 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 28, 2009, 02:54:47 PM
The problem is if the MWC wants respect it is going to have to beat the WIAC teams and that is a very tough thing to do for any conference. The MWC usually draws the WIAC in the playoffs.

I would love to see more MWC-CCIW matchups. I think we all agree the CCIW is a stronger conference top-to-bottom, but I think the top three in the MWC (MC, RC, SNC) could compete with the top three in the CCIW. I still give Wheaton, North Central, (CCIW #3) the edge, but I think its closer than most people think. North Central has a high ranking most years, though they also do not have any recent big wins in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 28, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 28, 2009, 02:49:53 PM
UW-why-aren't-you-DII? team.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$     ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2009, 04:23:55 PM
Of note... SNC's non-con opponent the next two years will be (currently) #15 St. Thomas. Coming on the heels of Wartburg, and UWW in 04 and 05, SNC isn't ducking good competition.

I'm not sure how beneficial it would be for the Illinois-based Midwest Conference teams to play the WIAC teams. Are they in the same region? If not, that really takes three MWC teams out of the mix - and the best one (until they play SNC!  ;)) in Monmouth.

And, as much as I'd like to see MWC teams play the WIAC teams, it shouldn't be because it's a favor to the budgets of the state schools.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on September 28, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2009, 02:34:03 PM
BINGO!

Pat and puck got it. We can respect Monmouth and we do. They are a good team and are ranked. But we also have to recognize the amount of research done by others on all conferences.

I think the final points made by Pat and supported by puckfan covers it.

GO WARTBURG!

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

As a frequent reader of this board, I think Pat and puck explain it well. You have to take the past into consideration, and the strength of the other conferences.
As for scheduling non-conference games, you folks have a gold mine of possibilities out there. Maybe you do need to be more selective to build up your reputation. On our little west coast island, the pickings are mighty slim and we have to scramble for anyone who will play us at all, which often means huge travel expenses.

Regarding ONU's losses, one was to MUC. According to the front page this last game was played after the death of the dad of one of their starters as the dad had a heart attack on his way to the game? That had to have a huge effect on the kids, and may have been taken into consideration as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2009, 05:42:04 PM
I like to idea of MWC teams playing CCIW teams more often.  Scottie said he heard something about Ill Wesleyan-Monmouth for next year.  IW has been competitive in that conf. recently, hopefully they stay on the rise and give Monmouth a good test.  Would be more excited to see them play Wheaton-N Central- Augustana though.  The WIAC is what it is.  The St. Thomas-St. Norbert series will be a nice one.

Don't want people to think the MWC is a bunch of whiners, but there is as much enthusiasm in this conference as any d3 conference.  Just wanna make sure our voice is heard.

coco, I'm really sorry to hear about ONU's tragedy.  It's a reach though to assume many voters were aware of that info....maybe just a few.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2009, 05:47:42 PM
Any voter who read our front page on Saturday was aware of it. However, I did not make it part of the packet of info that our voters received.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on September 28, 2009, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 09:09:39 AM
I don't have a problem with scheduling those games, I just don't think a series like that would ever happen because of the politics involved. Why should the sweet, innocent, small private college have to risk getting mauled by the big, mean, evil public university, etc. etc. I think it's silly and unfortunate but that's how it works in many cases; and it's not just a MWC thing. Top to bottom the CCIW would be a more competitive series of games vs. the WIAC but my theory is why that hasn't happened either.

Beyond that I will speculate a little bit. Would we actually see Whitewater vs. Monmouth or Point vs. St. Norbert ?? Probably not. Teams at the top of the WIAC have an eye on Salem every year so why risk a D3 loss that might keep you out of the play offs. Instead we probably get Whitewater vs. Lake Forest and Point vs. Lawrence.

Why not kick Superior in the pants and have them get a football program started, then you've only got 2 non-conference games to fill. In the mean time Beloit has Blackburn the next 2 years but if Whitewater wanted to buy them out I'm sure Beloit would give them a game.

Considering Blackburn gave up football at the end of last year, I don;t think there needs to be a buy out by UWW to schedule Beloit. ;D. As to the argument about the rankings, wait about 6 weeks and Monmouth can show people what they are made of. I have seeen Monmouth play and other than the last 2 minutes of their final playoff game last year, I think they stack up very well against anyone in the CCIW.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
My bad on that but even more amazing is that they've updated their media guide already. It seems Whitewater will need to buy out the University of Chicago in order to schedule Beloit the next two years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 28, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 28, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
My bad on that but even more amazing is that they've updated their media guide already. It seems Whitewater will need to buy out the University of Chicago in order to schedule Beloit the next two years.

OMG - UWW vs. UC??!

I strongly suspect UWW could sit EVERY starter and still win by any score their conscience allowed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2009, 08:47:59 PM
One more thought...

Part of this is the conference's fault, I think. Perhaps not directly and perhaps not intentionally, but certainly by structure. See if you can follow along with this thought...

- The conference currently has 10 teams. It plays a true round-robin, so that's 9 games, leaving just one non-conference game. Very fair when it comes to determining a conference champion, to be sure.

- The conference used to have 12 teams (before the Coe/Cornell departure). Then, it played in two divisions of six: 5 games in the division and 2 games vs. other division. That way it took 6 years to complete home & home vs. all teams in the other division.

- That allowed more non-con games. Which could be very good from a strength of schedule point of view.

Take SNC in 1989 for example. SNC lost to Illinois Benedictine and UW-Stevens Point, and beat D2 Michigan Tech. It earned an at-large bid for the playoffs, which was a rarity for the MWC - it just didn't happen in those pre-AQ days.

In 1990 and 1991, SNC's non-opponents were UW-Oshkosh, Michigan Tech and Drake. Yes, I know (I was there), they all lost all 6 of those non-con games in 90 & 91 - that's not the point. The point is, they had the opportunity - and used it - to schedule strong competition, even playing up division-wise.

But now, MWC schools couldn't schedule that quantity of non-conference competition. Do most of the other conferences only have 1 non-con game?

It certainly is easier to schedule this way, because you just have one game to find. But, for the elite teams (i.e. Monmouth & SNC, plus perhaps Ripon right now), how much better would be it for their chance to get a second conference playoff bid if they could play some better teams?

I know it's not right to complain without offering an alternative, but I admit I'm a bit lost on something better.

I'm not necessarily advocating a less-than-round robin. (It bugs me how men's Big Ten hoops does that, for example). And maybe the conference isn't interested in getting back to 12 teams, or having the "issue" of different teams playing different inter-division teams, or having a conference title game to give another team another loss.

That said, finding a way to have more opportunities to schedule tougher teams might help the conference's profile. And the bottom feeders should always be able to find other bottom feeders to play, I think.

Sorry, that was longer than I wanted it to be...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 28, 2009, 09:56:52 PM
Adding another two teams would be nice. Not sure who though. Why wouldn't the University of Chicago want to come back? It should help save money on travel expenses?

(This is nothing more than a conversation piece)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2009, 11:11:03 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on September 28, 2009, 09:56:52 PM
Adding another two teams would be nice. Not sure who though. Why wouldn't the University of Chicago want to come back? It should help save money on travel expenses?

(This is nothing more than a conversation piece)

Agreed - as conversation piece only; not meant to incite a conference war...

I didn't realize UofC played in a four-team conference for football. And they were a longtime MWC member. Would be nice.

Perhaps one of the Northern Athletic Conference teams with football would be a nice fit geographically... (Lakeland in Sheboygan, Rockford or Wisconsin Lutheran in Milwaukee) ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 29, 2009, 01:13:04 AM
I believe Ripon plays Wisco Lutheran for their non-conference games coming up in the future.  A bit of a step down from UWO so i hope it doesnt lower Ripon's level of play, like what i think happened to a MWC team recently (hint: Carroll playing North Park).  Is it foreshadowing a future MWC opponent?? ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 29, 2009, 01:27:47 AM
Or instead of leaving the option to add more non-conference opponents couldnt the MWC just add stronger football (or overall) programs to the conference (ie: Carthage, U of Chicago, or Concordia (Wi), or any other C school) in some sort of a realignment. 

OR
Every MWC team could play how they are now (with the exception of LU :-\ ) and once the MWC gets two bids and makes some noise in the playoffs on a consistent basis. then we wont have to do all of this speculation and the MWC will have gained its own respect as a football conference

i dont know about anyone else but i am excited for the games this saturday
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2009, 07:23:29 AM
I think we might be attacking the problem by the wrong end. The NCAA picks the teams and makes the brackets, however, they pick those teams based on the selection criteria determined by the D3 membership itself. So instead of changing the conference to better fit the system, why not change the system and go back to no AQs.

This doesn't need to happen in all sports, just football where the at large bids are too few and far between. The day may come when the entire field is Pool A only and that's not exactly fair. And if the NAIA merger talks have anything behind them that day is closer than most people realize. Pool C criteria for everybody will mean that some conferences get multiple bids and other conferences will do without. Well, those conferences simply need to get better.

The regional representation/equity for all philosophy behind the current selection process keeps some very very good teams out every year. The field will never expand beyond 32 teams but lets try to get the best 32 in. I'd even be willing to split the difference between Pool C only and regional equity and limit conferences to no more than 2 bids.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2009, 10:05:19 AM
Roop ... interesting thought, but unlikely to happen, IMO.

The NCAA's goal is to have a national tournament. That's the reason behind the AQs.

We go round and round on this in the D3 hockey world, where there's just 11 teams in the tourney and a big schism between east and west. And it always seems to come back to the fact that the NCAA doesn't necessarily want the best x number of teams in the tournament, they want a national tournament.

Look at men's hoops... the winner of the Atlantic Sun Conference isn't there because it's one of the best 65 teams in the nation, it's there because it's a national tournament.

While others may not disagree with your premise, I think it would be a seismic shift by the NCAA to change course in that direction.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2009, 10:16:18 AM
Here's how the MWC will gain the respect it needs:

Step One - Monmouth goes through the MWC undefeated and gets to host more playoff games.

Step Two - SNC or Beloit (the reamining two of the "Scottie's Three to Watch" [trademark pending]) finish the year with one loss and squeak out a playoff bid. 

Step Three - Monmouth and SNC or Beloit meet in the second or third round of the playoffs and duke it out in a 5 overtime thriller, won by the good guys.

Step Four - The Scots slide through the rest of the playoffs like poop through a goose and bring the trophy back to the Maple City. 

Any questions?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 29, 2009, 10:19:59 AM
Uhhh scottie?!?!   You were doing fine except you have your teams mixed up again!   ::)

Your thinking is solid .... except for that one detail.  ;D

And once again I say:

Go Wartburg

and

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2009, 10:41:44 AM
Puck, I don't think my idea is going anywhere either but you really can't compare a D1 tournament to a D3 tournament. Interest, ratings and therefore revenue goes up when those 13-16 seeds pull the upset and win a game but that will never happen at this level; so why not have the best field we can. What 27 AQs does to a 32 team field is weaken some brackets and over load others.

I'm a hockey fan myself but must admit that I don't pay much attention to the D3 level. So I'm really not qualified to comment on the workings of that tournament.

Scottie and SNCOLDAD. Have you forgotten about the three way tie possibility at 9-1 ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 29, 2009, 10:55:59 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 29, 2009, 07:23:29 AM
I think we might be attacking the problem by the wrong end. The NCAA picks the teams and makes the brackets, however, they pick those teams based on the selection criteria determined by the D3 membership itself. So instead of changing the conference to better fit the system, why not change the system and go back to no AQs.

This doesn't need to happen in all sports, just football where the at large bids are too few and far between. The day may come when the entire field is Pool A only and that's not exactly fair. And if the NAIA merger talks have anything behind them that day is closer than most people realize. Pool C criteria for everybody will mean that some conferences get multiple bids and other conferences will do without. Well, those conferences simply need to get better.

The regional representation/equity for all philosophy behind the current selection process keeps some very very good teams out every year. The field will never expand beyond 32 teams but lets try to get the best 32 in. I'd even be willing to split the difference between Pool C only and regional equity and limit conferences to no more than 2 bids.


What have you heard about an NAIA merger?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2009, 10:58:14 AM
It's on the football website but here's a link for you.

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009909180334
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 29, 2009, 01:41:50 PM
Back to football on the field....

IC, Ripon, Norbie all with ease this week

Beloit- Lake Forest could be interesting, I'm going Beloit though

Can Monmouth send a message to Norbie for next week if they really blow out Grinnell, since the difference between Grinnell and SNC was only a field goal?  I say yes.


Go Loras!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2009, 10:16:18 AM
Here's how the MWC will gain the respect it needs:

Step One - Monmouth goes through the MWC undefeated and gets to host more playoff games.

Step Two - SNC or Beloit (the reamining two of the "Scottie's Three to Watch" [trademark pending]) finish the year with one loss and squeak out a playoff bid. 

Step Three - Monmouth and SNC or Beloit meet in the second or third round of the playoffs and duke it out in a 5 overtime thriller, won by the good guys.

Step Four - The Scots slide through the rest of the playoffs like poop through a goose and bring the trophy back to the Maple City. 

Any questions?

scottie - I like your line of thinking there! ;D  Be sure to let us know when the "pending trademark" of Scottie's Three To Watch arrives. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2009, 02:36:46 PM
Carroll at Ripon - Ripon cruises.   8)
Grinnell at Monmouth - Grinnell avenges last year's 69-0 output with a 2nd quarter field goal.  :D
Illinois College at Lawrence - IC might sit on one conference loss until Halloween.   :o
Knox at St. Norbert - Will look like Vikings at Packers.  SNCOLDAD in a good mood  afterward.   ;D
Lake Forest at Beloit - Scottie's UPSET ALERT of the week.     ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 29, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
Picks for the week:

Ripon-35   Carroll-6 (two fg's, o'laire is their best offensive weapon )
Monmouth-47   Grinnell-7  (monmouths first td given up, grinnell offense gets a lucky one)
St.Norbert-45   Knox-0  (knox's offense has no clue against a tought SNC D)
IC- 42   Lawrence-3  (LU has no clue overall)

Game of the Week
Beloit-31   Lake Forest-21 (carter duo matches up well with the BC secondary)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2009, 02:41:59 PM
fixed your post  ;)

Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2009, 10:16:18 AM
Here's how the MWC will gain the respect it needs:

Step One - SNC goes through the MWC undefeated and gets to host more playoff games.

Step Two - Monmouth or Beloit (the reamining two of the "Scottie's Three to Watch" [trademark pending]) finish the year with one loss and squeak out a playoff bid. 

Step Three - Monmouth and SNC or Beloit meet in the second or third round of the playoffs and duke it out in a 5 overtime thriller, won by the good guys.

Step Four - The Green Knights slide through the rest of the playoffs like poop through a goose and bring the trophy back to a close suburb of Titletown, USA. 

Any questions?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 29, 2009, 02:45:28 PM
Roop,

I don't like the idea of leaving some conference winner's out though. It has too much of a BCS feel to it. Wish I had an idea though of anything better. How about send the WIAC and Mt. Union to D-II and open up three playoff spots right there.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2009, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2009, 02:41:59 PM
fixed your post  ;)

Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2009, 10:16:18 AM
Here's how the MWC will gain the respect it needs:

Step One - SNC goes through the MWC undefeated and gets to host more playoff games.

Step Two - Monmouth or Beloit (the reamining two of the "Scottie's Three to Watch" [trademark pending]) finish the year with one loss and squeak out a playoff bid. 

Step Three - Monmouth and SNC or Beloit meet in the second or third round of the playoffs and duke it out in a 5 overtime thriller, won by the good guys.

Step Four - The Green Knights slide through the rest of the playoffs like poop through a goose and bring the trophy back to a close suburb of Titletown, USA. 

Any questions?

It's WAY too soon after lunch for stuff like that!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2009, 06:26:57 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 29, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
Game of the Week
Beloit-31   Lake Forest-21 (carter duo matches up well with the BC secondary)

You might be right on that match up situation but the only team to shut down the Beloit offense, other than Monmouth, has been Beloit thus far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 29, 2009, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 29, 2009, 06:26:57 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 29, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
Game of the Week
Beloit-31   Lake Forest-21 (carter duo matches up well with the BC secondary)

You might be right on that match up situation but the only team to shut down the Beloit offense, other than Monmouth, has been Beloit thus far.

Yeah, I heard that the comparisons to last year's Oklahoma offense are all the buzz in Beloit, Wisconsin right now. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 30, 2009, 05:29:04 PM
OK. Here we go for this week..

Carroll at Ripon 1 p.m.
Grinnell at Monmouth 1 p.m.
Illinois College at lawrence 1 p.m.
Knox at St. Norbert 1 p.m.
Lake Forest at Beloit 1 p.m.


Ripon
Monmouth
Illinois College
St. Norbert
Beloit...... Maybe.....Yes.....Well......Beloit....Final Answer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 01, 2009, 09:50:53 AM
Hey!  Hello!?!?   Any one around??    This is way too quiet. We have to keep the Midwest Conference board jumping.  ;D

No comments on this weeks games?

Can Carroll UNIVERSITY hold Ripon to under 350 yards rushing?
Can Grinnell score an offensive TD at Monmouth? Or get an Interception?
Will the IC - Lawrence UNIVERSITY game be close?
Can Beloit flex its muscle against LFC?
Will the weather in De Pere be a factor in the SNC - Knox game?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 01, 2009, 08:10:26 PM
Carroll @ Ripon- going with the upset in this one with Carroll playing emotional football and getting back on the winning way.

Grinnell @ Monmouth- Monmouth big!

IC @ Lawrence-  Lawrence will not see the endzone yet or may never score a TD in conference this year, IC big!!!

Knox @ St. Norbert- another blowout for SNC

Lake Forest @ Beloit- game of the week, but Beloit close.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 01, 2009, 08:19:40 PM
that's a pretty big upset....a team that Beloit dominated..beating Ripon

I think Lawrence will get in the endzone, there's some anemic defenses left on their schedule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 02, 2009, 12:07:46 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 01, 2009, 08:19:40 PM
that's a pretty big upset....

that's a pretty big upset....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2009, 08:57:34 AM
It sure is. But I compliment him on his pick.  ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 02, 2009, 09:23:19 AM
Last time Carroll traveled up north they play a hard fought nail bitter game against Ripon. This is a rivalry game and I know Carroll is having a down year, but I feel at some point they have to put all 3 phases together call me crazy but  I say it happens at Ripon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 02, 2009, 01:55:02 PM
Picks for Week 4:

Carroll @ Ripon - RC
Grinnell @ Monmouth - MC
Illinois C. @ Lawrence - IC
Knox @ St. Norbert - SNC
Lake Forest @ Beloit - BC

Feeling pretty good about my picks again this week...that happening 2 weeks in a row doesn't happen very often!

Good luck Fighting Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 02, 2009, 02:26:56 PM
Last time at Ripon, Carroll won by two, but then they also had a dominating defense. Ripon wins big, and should rush for 300-400. Gutsy pick against the grain, but not many upsets in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 02, 2009, 05:27:07 PM
Hello Board!  I have been pretty quite this season, but I did want to write and correct Footballfan99.  Carroll UNIVERSITY is not and has not been a Rivalry school for Ripon.  That being said, I give Carroll a lot of respect.  We lost to Carroll my Junior year at Ripon, a game that we should not have lost.  Carroll has it's way of coming through.  But as far as this week, there a few things that will make this game not even close:

1. Homecoming weekend!
2. Ripon is coming off of a game that they scored 1 touchdown on offense and it was in the 4th quarter
3. Ripons Defence is playing REALLY well
4. Watch for Ripons Offense to put close to 450 yards of total offense tomorrow!

As for the rest of the conference:
MC
IC
Knox..........UPSET!!!!!!! haha
LF

Good Luck to all and safe travels to everyone!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 02, 2009, 09:39:21 PM
Well I would have say redhawk sighting that you are wrong because Ripon is a rival of Carroll along with Carthage, Beloit and St. Norbert. Also, I was a junior myself on the Carroll team that year we won by 2. It was a hard fought game and I thought both teams played tough. And if you do not think Carroll is a rival that is fine, but I do know how to spell defeNSe!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 02, 2009, 09:57:16 PM
HAHA, i'll give that to you, I spelt Defense wrong, the "C" key comes to me so much easier than the "S" key.  HAHA..  You making it to the game tomorrow?  I'm afraid I will have to miss the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 03, 2009, 11:33:56 AM
Not sure why there is so much speculation about the Beloit-Lake Forest game. Lake Forest lost their non-conference game to an Aurora squad that would do well to finish 8th in the MWC. The fact that they won their conference and made the play offs last season means nothing. Just another AQ to a conference that doesn't belong, etc.

I've bit my tongue for a long time because I didn't want to run off the one Lake Forest poster that we had but that poster has since disappeared on his own. Go back a few months and you will see that I clearly stated that if LF lost to Aurora that it would be a long year for them. Well...............

Weather will probably keep the scoring down but RoopVegas still says take Beloit -17.5 and the over/under is 29.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 03, 2009, 02:09:24 PM
11:47 left in the first

Monmouth up 7-0 over Grinnell

wasting no time
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on October 03, 2009, 02:47:49 PM
42-0 scots after the first quarter...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 03, 2009, 02:54:16 PM
SNC leads Knox 28-7, 6:30 left in the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 03, 2009, 04:23:26 PM
Under 8 minutes left in Ripon, with Ripon leading Carroll 24 to 14...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 03, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Final in Ripon,WI Ripon 31 Carroll 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 03, 2009, 05:27:46 PM
42-0 after the 1st quarter

59-0 final Monmouth over Grinnell

Monmouth kicker Matt Batton hit a school record 51 yard field goal, and the Monmouth defense recorded 5 intereceptions and 4 sacks.


..............14-11?!?!?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 03, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
oh and btw that makes the score over the last 2 years

Monmouth - 128
Grinnell - 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 03, 2009, 05:31:14 PM
Guess that was a decisive victory, and a good day for the kicker, too.
Monmouth does indeed appear to be on a roll.
Nice job!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 03, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
finals

Knox 13
St. Norbert 56

Lawrence 19
Illinois College 35
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 03, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
ooooo.....just noticed in the box score that the 51 yarder came in the 4th quarter when the Scots were already up 56-0.

Maybe Coach Bell is trying to send a message to fellow conference members to step their game up, so we can get some more respect as a conf.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2009, 07:11:38 PM
....the back-up kicker....with plenty of time left in the game....wouldn't put TOO much into that particular kick.

That said, 42-0 after one quarter is quite a statement.  Maybe only one team, perhaps two, will leapfrog them in the top 25 this week.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WK21 on October 03, 2009, 07:15:16 PM
Freshmen kicker...that is
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
Scottie's Factoid of the Day:

Through four conference games:  Monmouth 53.5, Opponent 1.5
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 04, 2009, 01:23:43 AM
LF pulled within 7 with 6:19 to go and Beloit was content to run out the clock. Not sure I agree with that thinking but they got away with it. I'd rather they punch it in once more and make the Foresters have to score twice in the final minute.

I'm not going to worry about 1 pick in 39 attempts and better play calling should resolve the t.o. on downs situation; but the fumble-itis must stop. You have a limited number of possessions against Ripon to begin with and you can't give them away. The Bucs are learning how to win but they haven't mastered it yet. Next week is a huge game for them even though it will be on the undercard as far as the rest of the conference is concerned.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on October 04, 2009, 12:27:58 PM
Nice win for the scotties this past weekend.  Next up a big game vs. St. Norberts.   I am curious to see how many of the predicters pick against the Scots even though they beat Grinnel 59-0 and Norbert beat them 14-11.

Should be a good one come Saturday at beautifil Bobby Woll Memorial Field.

On a side note, I hope that Brett Favre has a bad day! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
Bobby Woll Memorial Field at April Zorn Memorial Stadium which will probably also soon be apart of Roger Haynes Memorial Track

everything gets a name


but anyway...yeah, this is the two biggest reg. season games of the year in back to back weeks coming up for the Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 04, 2009, 06:18:58 PM
Cold but good weekend of football.  Carroll always plays us tough, and after the first half I was a little frusterated, but things worked out a little better for Ripon in the second half.  The Carroll U fans, they were enthusiastic, but were a bit obnoxious.  Ive been known to have a few before the game but some of their fans had a few too many and were a tad on the annoying side.  Good win though and Carroll definetely played better than their record.

Next week starts the biggest part of Ripon's schedule ( @ BC, Home vs MC, @ SNC ).  I am very interested to see the new Beloit College team of 2009.  I agree with Roop that this weeks SNC @ MC will overshadow another very good matchup with RC @ BC.  Its good to see that we are going to have some exciting games upcoming that wont look like the 87-0 blowouts that have been happening.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 04, 2009, 06:58:36 PM
Ripon head Coach about Ripon vs Carroll:

"This has become a very intense rivalry."

I would agree that over the last 4-5 years RC vs C(U/C) has been an intense matchup
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 04, 2009, 09:32:56 PM
Could you please enlighten us as to which Ripon offense will be showing up this week. Running teams typically don't go into slumps but they have been inconsistent this year; which makes no sense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
Was gonna predict the final score for the big game...but honestly I have no idea.
I've been pretty confident about the Scots winning the conference all year, but now I'm not liking how confident I've been.  If they lose I have no clue where to go from there, it'll probably take awhile for the shock to wear off.  I really hope the 14-11 vs. 59-0 comparison doesn't pump MC up too much.

Whaddya say SNC supporters?...or anyone?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 04, 2009, 09:48:14 PM
Well, I will be optimistic and hope for a Green Knight win, but going into the game, Monmouth is the favorite.

They are the champs until someone knocks them off. I am more than pleasantly surprised at how SNC's QB has developed, but SNC needs to be at the top of its game to beat the Scots.

I think it CAN happen ... whether it will remains to be seen. Glad there's MWC net feed for this!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 04, 2009, 10:40:01 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
.... which will probably also soon be apart of Roger Haynes Memorial Track


Um, do you know something about the condition of Coach Haynes' health that you aren't telling us???   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2009, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 04, 2009, 10:40:01 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
.... which will probably also soon be apart of Roger Haynes Memorial Track


Um, do you know something about the condition of Coach Haynes' health that you aren't telling us???   ???

No,  I guess not soon...but in the future.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 04, 2009, 11:07:45 PM
All is quiet on the Western Front. 

Mrs. Warthog and I went through Monmouth this evening.  We were on our way home from the autumn  Spoon River Valley Scenic Drive that winds through the small towns 40 miles or so southeast of Monmouth.  As of 6:30 I saw no Green Knights burning in effigy nor were campus security officers standing guard over the football practice field watching for some pesky St. Norbert spy to mount remote control cameras in the trees.

I wish next weekend was the Wartburg bye week.  That would make the decision concerning going to the MWC game of the year a no brainer.  As it is, I've been thinking the 50 mile drive to Monmouth is way shorter than the 150 mile trip to Waverly.  You guys are arguably having the D3 game of the week this Saturday.  It is a clash any football fan would want to witness.

decisions-decisions-decisions
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 04, 2009, 11:23:37 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 04, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
Was gonna predict the final score for the big game...but honestly I have no idea.
I've been pretty confident about the Scots winning the conference all year, but now I'm not liking how confident I've been.  If they lose I have no clue where to go from there, it'll probably take awhile for the shock to wear off.  I really hope the 14-11 vs. 59-0 comparison doesn't pump MC up too much.

Whaddya say SNC supporters?...or anyone?

I think dropping a spot in the poll will be all the motivation Monmouth needs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 04, 2009, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: warthog on October 04, 2009, 11:07:45 PM

I wish next weekend was the Wartburg bye week.  That would make the decision concerning going to the MWC game of the year a no brainer.  As it is, I've been thinking the 50 mile drive to Monmouth is way shorter than the 150 mile trip to Waverly.  You guys are arguably having the D3 game of the week this Saturday.  It is a clash any football fan would want to witness.

decisions-decisions-decisions

If it helps your decision....it is also Homecoming week at MC.  Should be a great atmosphere to cheer on the Good Guys to victory.  (Note to SNCOLDAD: The Good Guys will be wearing RED.)   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2009, 09:31:59 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 04, 2009, 11:23:37 PM


I think dropping a spot in the poll will be all the motivation Monmouth needs.


The MWC is on a roll this week....a 42 point first quarter (and largest margin of victory among the top 25) only costs the Scots one spot in the rankings.  Party time!!  Excellent!!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2009, 09:38:30 AM
And according to the podcast the only reason they won a playoff game last year is because the NCAA penny pinched the budget. While the penny pinching part is true, Monmouth was still the 3 seed so they would have hosted a 1st round game either way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 05, 2009, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 05, 2009, 09:31:59 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 04, 2009, 11:23:37 PM


I think dropping a spot in the poll will be all the motivation Monmouth needs.


The MWC is on a roll this week....a 42 point first quarter (and largest margin of victory among the top 25) only costs the Scots one spot in the rankings.  Party time!!  Excellent!!   ;)


If my memory serves me right the Scots had a bad season in '89 which is a very impactful year in the minds of the voters on the D3 poll as well as the selction committee.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 05, 2009, 12:07:11 PM
Well Pat said something early in the podcast though.....All the poll really is, is a collection of 25 opinions.

Nothing new, we all know what opinions of our conference are for football.  We usually have 3 maybe 4 teams who play football and 6-7 teams who try to play football.

I'm confident our qualifier (Monmouth ;)) will make the MWC proud.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2009, 12:16:07 PM
Good Day everyone. A great weekend had by all. I will state up front that I will probably be very quiet this week. So scottie, keep your red skirt  on and we can chat more next week. I have no doubt that a number of people are looking forward to this weeks game. I am very excited and I seriously hope this is a good, hard fought game with no injuries. You all know where my allegiance lies. That will not change. I will cheer for St. Norbert. And I do believe they can win this game.  ;D

This week I will not discuss further anything about the SNC at MC game. Now that does not mean I will not discuss other games.

Warthog. Thanks for stopping in from time to time. And make sure the Orange Knights keep winning.  :D

No matter the outcome this weekend, I also hope that 2 qualifiers from the MWC will at least be seriously considered.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 05, 2009, 02:12:16 PM
Will you be making the trip to western Illinois sncoldad?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2009, 04:14:47 PM
Absolutely. God willing I will be there. This year has been a very good year for support of the Green Knights on the road. At least twice what we had 2 years ago at both Grinnell and Lake Forest. As for as I can tell we will have a good following at MC. Time for me to see if this weeks games are posted on MWC website. If so, I will copy over for everyone's predictions.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2009, 04:17:15 PM
Here are this weeks games. Interesting times on a couple of them.


Oct. 10
  Grinnell at Knox ~  1 p.m.
  Ripon at Beloit ~  1 p.m.
  St. Norbert at Monmouth~ 1 p.m. 
  Lawrence at Lake Forest ~  1:30 p.m. 
  Illinois College at Carroll ~  5 p.m.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2009, 04:24:37 PM
Wow. Some games should be thrillers.  :o

Grinnell at Knox ~  I go Grinnell and I will say it should not be close.
  Ripon at Beloit ~  Good match up. Tough one to call but I think Ripon stays in the conference race ....for now.
  St. Norbert at Monmouth~ Of course you know where I am with this game. And proud of it. GREEN KNIGHTS
  Lawrence at Lake Forest ~  I've seen them both and it is a tough one to call. Lake Forestwith Special Teams play.   
  Illinois College at Carroll ~  This has the making of a heck of a game. Won't be home to get on the web and I am pretty sure radio coverage will not cover the drive back from Monmouth. I will go Carroll. But another tough game and should be close.

That is it for me. Roop, I know you will jump on me but I just think Ripon is going to make sure they stay in the hunt. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
No, I won't jump on you because I don't have any feel on that game yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2009, 05:17:11 PM
I'd say that Ripon's only motivation for this game would be to squeak their way into "Scottie's Three to Watch."  That could be enough to negate Beloit's home field advantage....   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 05, 2009, 10:40:06 PM
Ripon is 1-1 in the last two trips to Beloit.  In '05 they took a Beloit team too lightly and ended up with an upset loss.  I believe the Ripon staff will have them well prepared for Beloit's offesnsive attack.  Ripon wins this game on experience and offense finally stepping up in the first half and playing a complete game.  Im excited to see this game.
Predictions:

RC-35 @ BC-13: RC rushes it way to a victory with the D stepping up the 2nd half
SNC-20 @ MC-31: Monmouths offense is just too good right now, close for 3 quarters and monmouth has one deadly quarter
GC-28 @ KC-21: Knox cant find its way on defense with an efficient grinnell pass attack
LU-14 @ LFC-15: LFC goes for 2 with 1:07 left to dissapoint the Larries
IC-35 @ CU-34: CU misses a key extra point early which leaves the door open for an IC one-point win
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 06, 2009, 01:29:44 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the conference had a bye this week to come watch Monmouth-St. Norbert?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 06, 2009, 09:24:38 AM
3rd and 5 or less Beloit runs. When they enter the red zone Beloit runs. When they go wildcat and put the back up QB in Beloit runs; typically behind the left tackle in that situation. Just a casual observation but I think Beloit is a little too predictable this year and that's why the rushing yards are down. I think it's time to throw it until Ripon stops it. (that's a hint to the staff)

http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2659553

Attack them through the air I say
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2009, 11:55:14 AM
Decent coverage on the D3football homepage about the MWC Game of the Decade.  ;D


S O M E T H I N G ' S  G O T T A  G I V E ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 06, 2009, 01:52:47 PM
It's not d3football.com coverage, just a link to the St. Norbert website preview correct?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 06, 2009, 02:28:13 PM
Unless the SNC quarterback has a tremendous game, I don't think this will be very close. The Green Knights seem to go with him. i expect Monmouth to win by 3-4 scores.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 06, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I think Monmouth is in a class all their own this year too, but I just don't wanna be caught with egg on my face if the game ends up being a close one that could've went either way, or if St. Norbert pulls it out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2009, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 06, 2009, 01:52:47 PM
It's not d3football.com coverage, just a link to the St. Norbert website preview correct?

Good catch, that's right.  (I thought it was a little heavy on the GREEN factor.)   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 06, 2009, 02:51:35 PM
I'm going 56-44 Monmouth as it is a multiple of 14-11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 06, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I think Monmouth is in a class all their own this year too, but I just don't wanna be caught with egg on my face if the game ends up being a close one that could've went either way, or if St. Norbert pulls it out.

That's why the play the game.  Two very good teams.  For MC's sake, let's just hope that SNC is REALLY rooting for Wartburg after Saturday.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ptp231 on October 06, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
How did Ross win Offensive Performer of the Week when he wasn't the best WR on the field?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 06, 2009, 10:25:35 PM
This is a message to ptp231, and anyone else that decides that someone is not deserving of Performer of the Week. My question is this. WHY? Why would you even post such a thing. Not that I am looking for any answer from you.

I cannot believe that you desire to diminish the honor bestowed on this person or any other recipient of Performer of the Week, which you are trying to do.  >:(

Earlier in the week I stated that I would probably be fairly quiet this week leading up to a very big game. But when someone does this and posts such idiocy, I had to speak up.

Maybe you did not mean it to come out the way it did. Maybe I totally misunderstood the post. But I have to speak out against posts that demean any individual that plays the game.

Done.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 06, 2009, 10:31:21 PM
Hard to be POW when you lose the game and are yet to win one. Also LFC's offense rivals Lawrence for worst in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 06, 2009, 10:49:15 PM
Quote from: ptp231 on October 06, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
How did Ross win Offensive Performer of the Week when he wasn't the best WR on the field?

I have a problem with this post, but in a different way.

Ross had more receiving yards than anyone in that game and his team won.

I'm not offended like sncoldad, this is just a message board with people's opinions so people shouldn't never get offended by something said on a meaningless board, but I just don't think you have a very good argument.  Lake Forest lost the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ptp231 on October 07, 2009, 12:03:43 AM
Lawrence also lost this week, no? They were awarded the defensive POW.  Also, the LF - Beloit game was a closer one due in large part to the play of the "other receiver."

I really think Berger should have won it anyways.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 07, 2009, 12:22:31 AM
Frelich's stats were undoubtedly the best though.  Whatever it's just one week of MWC POW.  I also think they give it to people other than Tanney, Berger, Jennings, and Carter, whenever they can because those players have good enough stats to get it every week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 07, 2009, 03:27:39 AM
I don't agree with trying to spread out the POW as the MWC does. If one person deserves it over someone else then they should get it, ie Tanney. Granted he hasn't put up numbers quite as ridiculous as the ones he did last year because he is pulled around halftime, but he could have/should have won it nearly every week last season.

Basketball player Stephen Curry from Davidson was his conference's POW some 30 weeks straight (or something like that) because he was most deserving. That is how i believe it should be handled. Not a big deal, but another conversation piece for a Wednesday. What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 05:43:21 AM
Ross also made D3 team of the week so maybe the MWC voters had some idea as to what they were doing with the conference list.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 07, 2009, 08:41:56 AM
Doesn't necessarily mean anything Roop, he may have been one of only a few who had their SID's nominate them.

It's not like we are attacking him either, just making cases for other players.  Ross is a big boy, if he was really hurt by something said on a meaningless board than he's got bigger problems.  He had a great week, I think he deserved it.

...and Tanney is averaging 3.6 TD's and 0.2 Int's a game though he hasn't played past halfway through the 3rd quarter since Loras.  Average that out to a 12 game season like they played last year and it's 43 tds 2 ints....arguably more impressive than the 50 and 8 he had last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 09:12:26 AM
I doubt he's even concerned about the debate and I never thought anyone was attacking him. I'm just not sure how the argument can be made for someone with fewer receiving yards in the game on the losing team over him. It's a player(s) of the week list not player(s) of the year list.

RECEIVE YDS/GAME      Team  Cl  G  Rec  Yds TD Avg/C Yds/G
----------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Gezella......  SNC   SR  5   29  512  6  17.7 102.4
Dan Carter..........  LFC   SR  5   40  463  4  11.6  92.6
M. Jennings.........  IC    SR  5   32  420  7  13.1  84.0
Nate Nelson.........  LU    FR  3   10  240  1  24.0  80.0
Matt Shepherd.......  MC    JR  5   39  397  4  10.2  79.4
Mike Blodgett.......  MC    JR  5   32  389  3  12.2  77.8
AndyChristensen.....  BC    JR  5   23  366  2  15.9  73.2
Julian Ross.........  BC    JR  5   24  325  1  13.5  65.0
Derek Carrier.......  BC    SO  5   19  323  2  17.0  64.6
Robert Seer.........  GC    SO  5   20  303  5  15.1  60.6

Besides I'd rather have 3 receivers in the top ten than only 1. No seniors either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2009, 09:26:05 AM
WOW!

moving on.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2009, 09:38:51 AM
Sorry I posted. I feel it is unfair and a slam to state it like it was. If it had been put in a fashion of properly making an argument, that is one thing, but this was a blunt "How Could It Be" statement that detracts from any of the named POW.

Oh well. An interesting article on main page of d3football.com

Thanks for the article Pat and team. It is nice to see MWC getting some print. Not that we are bias or anything.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 09:46:06 AM
Never be sorry you posted SNCOLDAD. I said that once a few years ago and it rekindled a 3 day argument into a 2 week argument.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
So, do you think Grinnell basketball is REALLY basketball???  Oops, wrong board.   :D

Safe travels to all this weekend. (SNCOLDAD, in case you are wondering....there is a 3% chance that Scottie will be making an appearance in time for the game.  MC and the U of Illinois seem to enjoy scheduling Homecoming on the same weekend (4 of 5 years so far) so my professional responsibilities will keep me in Champaign longer than desired.  If I decide to bail on the Illini/Sparty game at 11:00, I could make it in time to join the 2nd half celebration.   ;D  More likely, I'll be catching it on the laptop.)

May the better team win.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2009, 09:38:51 AM


....Oh well. An interesting article on main page of d3football.com

Thanks for the article Pat and team. It is nice to see MWC getting some print. Not that we are bias or anything.



Clyde is "good people."  Thanks for the web ink.  But the three seperate references to the Fightin' Scots left me thinking, "GEE."   :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 10:13:15 AM
So if you were to bet $14 that scottie is staying in Champaign, you would only win $11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2009, 10:42:23 AM
scottie, I will keep a warm seat for you on the "West Bleachers" for that celebration when you arrive. :)

Dang it scottie. You got me posting. I was not going to do that.  ;D

Thanks for the safe travel wishes.

Roop, crack me up.  :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 11:25:14 AM
So anyway..................... After Beloit runs the table, grabs a Pool C bid and has to go to Whitewater, have no fear MWC fans; they are 9-1 against the Warhawks.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 07, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 07, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
So, do you think Grinnell basketball is REALLY basketball???  Oops, wrong board.   :D

Safe travels to all this weekend. (SNCOLDAD, in case you are wondering....there is a 3% chance that Scottie will be making an appearance in time for the game.  MC and the U of Illinois seem to enjoy scheduling Homecoming on the same weekend (4 of 5 years so far) so my professional responsibilities will keep me in Champaign longer than desired.  If I decide to bail on the Illini/Sparty game at 11:00, I could make it in time to join the 2nd half celebration.   ;D  More likely, I'll be catching it on the laptop.)

May the better team win.   

Long trip to see the your back-up QB mopping up the second half eh?   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2009, 12:13:08 PM
I don't post much during the week up until it's time to make picks on Friday, but these are too good to pass up...

Quote from: scottie on October 07, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
So, do you think Grinnell basketball is REALLY basketball???  Oops, wrong board.   :D

Safe travels to all this weekend. (SNCOLDAD, in case you are wondering....there is a 3% chance that Scottie will be making an appearance in time for the game.  MC and the U of Illinois seem to enjoy scheduling Homecoming on the same weekend (4 of 5 years so far) so my professional responsibilities will keep me in Champaign longer than desired.  If I decide to bail on the Illini/Sparty game at 11:00, I could make it in time to join the 2nd half celebration.   ;D  More likely, I'll be catching it on the laptop.)

May the better team win.   

To answer your first question of Grinnell hoops, maybe... :D  Speaking like OchoCinco to refer to myself, as well as Scottie doing it, Maverick will be in the Maple City for Saturday's game.  I have a freshman game that morning at 10 am and will arrive on-campus right around kickoff time.  Have fun at the Illinois/MSU game, here's hoping Eddie can do it better than Juice has so far this season!

Quote from: scottie on October 07, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2009, 09:38:51 AM


....Oh well. An interesting article on main page of d3football.com

Thanks for the article Pat and team. It is nice to see MWC getting some print. Not that we are bias or anything.



Clyde is "good people."  Thanks for the web ink.  But the three seperate references to the Fightin' Scots left me thinking, "GEE."   :-\

I thought the same thing as I read Clyde's article this morning!  Great read as a lead-up to Saturday's clash, but GEE whiz. ;)

Quote from: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 10:13:15 AM
So if you were to bet $14 that scottie is staying in Champaign, you would only win $11.

The Roop - Priceless!

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2009, 10:42:23 AM
scottie, I will keep a warm seat for you on the "West Bleachers" for that celebration when you arrive. :)

Dang it scottie. You got me posting. I was not going to do that.  ;D

Thanks for the safe travel wishes.

Roop, crack me up.  :D

Come on SNCOLDAD...you know if Scottie makes it to Monmouth for Saturday, he's gonna be hanging out in the press box with all those MC big-timers while we're left to see the game from your west bleachers or from my vantage point somewhere on the east hill-side! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2009, 12:37:28 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 07, 2009, 12:13:08 PM

Come on SNCOLDAD...you know if Scottie makes it to Monmouth for Saturday, he's gonna be hanging out in the press box with all those MC big-timers while we're left to see the game from your west bleachers or from my vantage point somewhere on the east hill-side! :)

Well, if I light my cigar with a $100 bill outside near the commoners, I get dirty looks!   ;D     (Good one, Mav!)

And, PC, I hope the MC back-up QB has a big second half.    :D   But this one might be 60 minutes of Tanney.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 07, 2009, 02:04:46 PM
I'm interested to see what the new D coordinator at SNC has on tap to try and stop the Monmouth offense.  Also interested to see how some of the young players on Monmouth's D respond against the first really good offense they've faced all year.  So bummed I can't be at this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on October 07, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 07, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
So, do you think Grinnell basketball is REALLY basketball???  Oops, wrong board.   :D

I know that this is the wrong thread.  But, to answer your question, "Yes, Grinnell College men's basketball team does play real basketball."  It is not a conventional form of the game.  However, the team does adhere to the rules of the game.  Not all schools can successfully play this style of basketball and the style of play does require that certain "skill sets" must be recruited to the college for this style to be successful. 

I do believe that the System has its limitation when playing in "championship settings" and that is strictly based on the fact that championship teams, more often than not, must possess the ability to "grind it out."  Grinnell has problems doing that and this fact hurts them in those "big game" championship situations. 

Frankly, the System is a very entertaining style of basketball to watch and to play.  That is why it is popular to those with allegiances to Grinnell College.  It is also why opposing schools draw some of their biggest crowds of the season when Grinnell is the visiting team.  Others want to see the novelty of the System.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2009, 05:02:48 PM
bballer, I have not seen Grinnell play bball yet but I want to. I feel it is the same as a football team running 5 receivers every play, or no receivers but option every play. It takes certain talent in certain positions to be able to run those types of offenses but well within the rules.

I also agree that you do not see many of those offenses going to far in "championship settings".

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
OMG...make it stop, make it stop, make it stop!!  That issue went on for what felt like dozens of pages on the basketball board a few years ago.  I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.  I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!  Let's please not mention it anymore and, instead, return the conversation to how awesome the Scots are, etc., etc.

Thank you for your cooperation!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 05:34:10 PM
You mean something like "Who would win between......................." Da Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2009, 09:38:21 AM
Um, what's the Saturday forcast for the Maple City?   :o  I'd love for the two top dogs in the MWC (arguably, I know, because of the Beloit factor  ;)) to go head-to-head in ideal conditions.  You know, so the patrons in the stands could wear a pair of these... 8)  But it looks like it might be more than slightly damp - at least on the other side of the Land o' Lincoln.   :'(  Does a steady downpour change the Roop Vegas odds?   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 08, 2009, 10:06:57 AM
"Da Scots" will still be the favorite but I will take a look at the weather situation as it could effect the over/under. Both teams like to throw it and playing on field turf will help so I don't see this one turning into a 6-3 affair because of some rain.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on October 08, 2009, 10:59:52 AM
LFC Homecoming this weekend. Have never seen Lawrence but this appears to be gut check and pride time for both programs.  LFC needs to do something, there is really a lot of talent on that team some of it on the sidelines. Lets see some different numbers in there what do they have to lose. Open the playbook and turn the page there has to be something else in there other than the two plays they have run all year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2009, 11:19:21 AM
Wowza, some Lake Forest v. Lawrence hype!   :)  Common Grinnell v. Knox....where are you???   :D

Actually, this week's schedule matches up the teams in exact order of the standings.  I guess that adds some general importance to every game this Saturday, relatively typing. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 08, 2009, 11:27:18 AM
LF is better than their record indicates. They have the talent but thus far they haven't had the execution. I'm sure the staff would say the same thing. So I don't see them opening up the playbook and substituting freely. Still, they need to win by two scores to make a statement. Their remaining schedule should help them out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 08, 2009, 12:46:20 PM
With a lack of execution I would also not change the playbook.  I would though try to get some players in there who will execute, regardless of their talent.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
50 F, Partly Cloudy, Winds 6-8

What a forecast for football.

scottie, I truly hope you can make it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2009, 02:41:07 PM
I have to agree with The Roop on this one. LFC is close to getting over the first hump. :)

Wait a minute. Did I say I agree with Roop?   ???  Something is wrong. :-[  It can't be.   :-X

But yes. LFC is very close to doing the right things on the field. They are not a bad team and with the new coach, I see improvements already.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2009, 03:25:04 PM
Thanks, SNCOLDAD.  At this point, I'd better stick to my 3% probability.  But if you start to sense a great murmur near the home bleachers, and the action on the field comes to a respectful pause, then you'll know that I've arrived.  I doubt that they'll stop the game completely and  have me come out to the 50 yard line for a ceremonial mid-game coin flip, but you never know.  The best bet is to find Maverick at some point and he can watch out for my handlers and let you know if/when I arrive.  At that point, one of said handlers will bring you up to the VIP lounge for a proper introduction.   ;D ;D ;D

IF I decide to skip Saturday's edition of the great Zook experiment and hit the road for Scot-land, I'll post up here to let you know.  Most likely, however, I'll be tuning in for a mid-game webcast - provided there are still feeds remaining.   ??? 



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2009, 05:04:35 PM
 :'(  Say it ain't so scottie.  :'(

The visitor bleachers will be mourning the lack of the great scot viewing what many may say is the biggest upset in MWC, no, wait, in D3 history.  :-\

scottie, we really need you there. Your team needs you.

The Scots are a tremendous team. How can scottie not be there?

They are THE team!! 

Come on scottie. Zook has nothing on the Fightin' Scots!!! 








Oh! By The Way:



GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 08, 2009, 06:32:08 PM
Is the Great Scot any relation to the Great Pumpkin ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
Picks for Week 5:

Grinnell @ Knox - GC
Ripon @ Beloit - RC
St. Norbert @ Monmouth - MC
Lawrence @ Lake Forest - LFC
Illinois C. @ Carroll - IC

scottie - Take some time to re-consider...Zook or Bell?  McGee/Juice or Tanney?  I think you see what I'm getting at here. :D

Good luck Fighting Scots!  Forecast looks ok for gametime...I can't wait to see how it all goes down on Saturday afternoon in the Maple City! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 09, 2009, 02:17:03 PM
Maverick has gone against the Bucs two weeks in a row. scottie you need to give him some of the Big 3 Kool-Aid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bombsovertrees on October 09, 2009, 03:12:56 PM
Basil-- that appeared to be a biased dagger aimed at the coaching staff about talent being on the sidelines.. I have always warned "family" and "fans" of a particular player that these coaches will never make decisions that will cause them to lose..

As for opening up the playbook-- the Ripon Staff only has seven pages in theirs and they are often at the top of the league..

I saw LF vs. Beloit last week, and it looks like they are starting to play better offensively, not sure what happened to their DB's-- one of their starters in their game report wasn't on the field, nor did it appear he was on the sideline.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 09, 2009, 04:51:30 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 09, 2009, 02:02:05 PM

scottie - Take some time to re-consider...Zook or Bell?  McGee/Juice or Tanney?  I think you see what I'm getting at here. :D



I know, I know, I know.  Maybe I'll stay for a couple of series and take off.  Altogether, including "things to do", it will take me about 4 hours from the time I leave the game until I arrive in the Maple City.  So I'll need to make that call pretty early.  Maybe I'm up to 5%.

I WILL be arriving to the Mouth sooner or later that afternoon.  If SNCOLDAD is staying in town to pump a little Wisconsing Green ($$) in to the local economy for a late lunch/early supper, there is a chance I could get quite the rundown of the game (happy or sad). 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2009, 05:41:18 PM
CBSsports actually ranks Tanney as a high draft prospect than McGee for the 2011 class. I assume he would be higher than Juice too since he is no longer UI's starter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 09, 2009, 06:01:50 PM
scottie, I am sorry to hear that you would rather watch a grade D game than the exhibition that the Scots will be putting on tomorrow. And as far as leaving some Wisconsin Green $$ in your town, that will have to be left up to the rest of the group. I leave my ILLINOIS Green $$ in De Pere every month. This game is closer for me than a home game.  :D

I live in Illinois and have only attended one game in "Champoo - Banana". That was the 6A High School State Final in '06. Otherwise, there really is not much football in that place lately.  :-\

So, I will be around as long as the team is. We feed them after the game before they hit the road. So if the buses are still there when you arrive, I will be there.  ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 10, 2009, 01:02:44 AM
I'll be seeing some of you MWC fans in Monmouth tomorrow.  Our coffee group is going in all directions for the day (Iowa City, St. Louis, Waverly and Monmouth).  I decided this evening to head over for Monmouth/St. Nobert.  My red/white and green/gold wardrobes are limited so I'll stick with my usual orange/black Saturday attire. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 10, 2009, 01:12:47 AM
good choice warthog
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 10, 2009, 03:12:47 AM
Looks like you're going to see a real barnburner, Warty!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 10, 2009, 11:16:51 AM
Weather may be questionable, which favors Ripon, but I think the Bucs show up in the first quarter for the first time in a while and win 32-19.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 10, 2009, 01:56:20 PM
Scottie viewing webcast.   :'(

Monmouth 7-3 with 4:00 in first quarter.  

Scots 14-3 with 2:23 in first.  

Berger-bomb at beginning of second quarter.  Scots 14-10.

21-10 with 10:00 left in half.  Green Knights methodical on offense.  Scots playing video game.

SNC held Scots to 3 and out, then roughed the punter.  Bad mistake.  28-10 with 2 minutes left.

31-10 HALF  (MC kicked a FG with the ball on the one yard line and a few ticks on the clock)

38-10 14:17 in 3rd quarter. (67 td pass)  ((awesome block!!))

Berger with a nice, long scamper.  38-17, 12 minutes in third.

Monmouth fakes punt, Tanney gets his own, slightly shorter, TD run (1 yard).  45-17 with 8:45 in third.

A couple of punts.  now 52-17 with 3:15 left in third.

Berger keeps a fourth quarter drive alive with some good scrambling.  52-24 with under 4:00 in game.

FINAL

GO WARTBURG!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 10, 2009, 04:54:55 PM
52 points a shocker.  That reminds me of a score from two years ago when RC and SNC squared off for the MWC championship and SNC won 52-27. 

Rough start AGAIN for Ripon, thats got to get worked out in about 6 days.  Ripon pulls out 20-6 with a win, their D kept them in the whole game.  Beloit's D stepped up big, kudos to them.  Not the best offensive day for either teams.

MC vs RC - Battle of the final undefeated teams - showdown in one week.  Will be an exciting affair, hopefully Ripon finds the magic cure to slow down Monmouths offense (not sure if there is a way to slow it down) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 10, 2009, 04:56:26 PM
Lake Forest big over Lawrence

Grinnell 28 - Knox 12

Carroll vs IC at 5:00pm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 10, 2009, 05:41:33 PM
Would've liked to see the defense play a little better.  Nonetheless, a 4 touchdown victory.  This one feels good, but the Scots can't fall asleep until after next week at Ripon...then cruise control until the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 10, 2009, 05:49:58 PM
Congrats to the Scots. That was a decisive victory!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 10, 2009, 06:36:20 PM
Coco:
Decisive doesn't adequately describe it.  The Scots still have the high power offense, but I am going to disagree with MWCfan787 a little and say I think the Scots defense is improved over the team I saw last November. 

Tanney is quite a quarterback, but that Monmouth o-line isn't exactly chopped liver.  It seems he could have set a campfire and made s'mores he had so much time to find open receivers. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 10, 2009, 07:26:09 PM
Yikes. Think they can kick some Minnesota ass in November?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 10, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
that monmouth defense that you say is much improved lost 7 starters, yes they are playing great and new players have filled in great... mobile quarterbacks are frustrating though, Berger is a great athlete

yeah, the o-line has been pretty much the same for 3 years now though, they're good

really happy though that they continue to run the ball well

they need to play even better week now, don't just beat ripon, leave no doubt
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 10, 2009, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 10, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
that monmouth defense that you say is much improved lost 7 starters, yes they are playing great and new players have filled in great... mobile quarterbacks are frustrating though, Berger is a great athlete

yeah, the o-line has been pretty much the same for 3 years now though, they're good

really happy though that they continue to run the ball well

they need to play even better week now, don't just beat ripon, leave no doubt

I've heard that last phrase somewhere before....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 10, 2009, 08:10:32 PM
Congrats Monmouth - good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 10, 2009, 08:44:11 PM
good luck the rest of the way to the Green Knights too

9-1 could get you guys into the dance, we'll all be rooting for you
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on October 11, 2009, 02:40:31 AM
"Bagpipes and bull****" - William Costigan
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2009, 02:24:56 PM
Looks like gut check time for the Bucs this week when they visit IC. Ripon was/is the better team so I can't say Beloit should have won, but this was a game they certainly could have won. I tend to agree with the broadcast team that the offense came out a little too amped up and could never settle down and focus on the task at hand. Penalties and turnovers gave the Red Hawks short fields in the 4th quarter and that was the difference.

7 wins is still possible which would equal the number they've won in the previous three years combined. IC is one of those they need to win however. I like their chances against LU and GC, not so much against SNC, so this is a crossroads game for them. They're on the verge of a tremendous season but it could all unravel with a poor performance this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Well good evening every one. 8)

I finally got a chance to sit at the computer and type up a message. Two very important things need to be said.

1. Congrats to Monmouth. Your offense is VERY good. I find it possible, depending on the draw, that you could go a little deeper in the play-offs this year. That is if you can keep a couple of ego's in check. Not only did you move the ball well in the air, you mixed in the ground game at the right times and moved very well on the ground also. Good luck and I hope we meet again this year.  ;D

2. The second item was a big hello and glad to have met you to Warthog. He and a couple friends decided to take in the SNC - MC game Saturday. I wish it had been a better show for you. But thanks for your support.

I wanted to get a post in before the start of the week. Work has been very busy and I wasn't sure what tomorrow will bring.

Every one have a great week.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bombsovertrees on October 12, 2009, 08:01:14 AM
Notes from games not known as St. Norbert vs. Monmouth

LFC-LU
First two touchdowns of the game were defensive returns... LFC defense forced 6 turnovers (and there were three more fumbles they didn't recover)
LU only had 159 yards offense until their final drive against the Forester's backups (based on who made tackles). The Foresters weren't much better with 178 yards total offense. Defense and Special teams won this game for them.

Knox-Grinnell-
GC scores two touchdowns on 7 yards of offense (fumble return for a TD and a 2play 7 yard drive) though Bogard didn't play much in the second half-- (he is usually their kicker and didn't kick either in the second half). Not sure if this was an injury or precautionary.

Carroll-IC

Carroll and IC both get special teams touchdowns---CC with a 55 yard punt return, and 90 yard blocked punt return for IC-- if this is true, what was  CC doing punting inside their 20 yard line????Anyone see that play? Casper from Carroll has his career game 15 of 20 for 250yards.. including 3
Tocuhdown passes.. Niekamp has his season worrst game14 of 41 for under 240 yards.



Question for discussion--- who is THE best WR in the conference... this is the position that I think the conference is most talented at.


Jennings at IC, Carter at LFC, Gezella at SNC, Blodgett and Shephard at Monmouth, Ross at Beloit? any thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 12, 2009, 11:56:28 AM
Quote from: bombsovertrees on October 12, 2009, 08:01:14 AM
Notes from games not known as St. Norbert vs. Monmouth

LFC-LU
First two touchdowns of the game were defensive returns... LFC defense forced 6 turnovers (and there were three more fumbles they didn't recover)
LU only had 159 yards offense until their final drive against the Forester's backups (based on who made tackles). The Foresters weren't much better with 178 yards total offense. Defense and Special teams won this game for them.

Knox-Grinnell-
GC scores two touchdowns on 7 yards of offense (fumble return for a TD and a 2play 7 yard drive) though Bogard didn't play much in the second half-- (he is usually their kicker and didn't kick either in the second half). Not sure if this was an injury or precautionary.

Carroll-IC

Carroll and IC both get special teams touchdowns---CC with a 55 yard punt return, and 90 yard blocked punt return for IC-- if this is true, what was  CC doing punting inside their 20 yard line????Anyone see that play? Casper from Carroll has his career game 15 of 20 for 250yards.. including 3
Tocuhdown passes.. Niekamp has his season worrst game14 of 41 for under 240 yards.



Question for discussion--- who is THE best WR in the conference... this is the position that I think the conference is most talented at.


Jennings at IC, Carter at LFC, Gezella at SNC, Blodgett and Shephard at Monmouth, Ross at Beloit? any thoughts?


I was at the game. It was more like a 20 yard blocked punt return.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: basil991 on October 12, 2009, 12:23:41 PM
Congrats to LFC and Coach Cat on the win! However my other comments still stand, they need to do something else on offense. It seems the only two plays are run it up the gut for little or no yardage or a pass to Carter in the flat.  There has been limited use of screens, sweeps, options, playaction etc.  The defense has been outstanding this season by keeping the team in the game but they can't do it all.  This not necessarily a complaint but a question or suggestion.  It will be a long ride home unless they develop a less predictable game plan and execute better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 12, 2009, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: bombsovertrees on October 12, 2009, 08:01:14 AM
Notes from games not known as St. Norbert vs. Monmouth

LFC-LU
First two touchdowns of the game were defensive returns... LFC defense forced 6 turnovers (and there were three more fumbles they didn't recover)
LU only had 159 yards offense until their final drive against the Forester's backups (based on who made tackles). The Foresters weren't much better with 178 yards total offense. Defense and Special teams won this game for them.

Knox-Grinnell-
GC scores two touchdowns on 7 yards of offense (fumble return for a TD and a 2play 7 yard drive) though Bogard didn't play much in the second half-- (he is usually their kicker and didn't kick either in the second half). Not sure if this was an injury or precautionary.

Carroll-IC

Carroll and IC both get special teams touchdowns---CC with a 55 yard punt return, and 90 yard blocked punt return for IC-- if this is true, what was  CC doing punting inside their 20 yard line????Anyone see that play? Casper from Carroll has his career game 15 of 20 for 250yards.. including 3
Tocuhdown passes.. Niekamp has his season worrst game14 of 41 for under 240 yards.



Question for discussion--- who is THE best WR in the conference... this is the position that I think the conference is most talented at.


Jennings at IC, Carter at LFC, Gezella at SNC, Blodgett and Shephard at Monmouth, Ross at Beloit? any thoughts?



It's hard for me to leave out Blodgett and Shep as a strong MC supporter, but Jennings is the best...no doubt.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 12, 2009, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 07, 2009, 11:25:14 AM
So anyway..................... After Beloit runs the table, grabs a Pool C bid and has to go to Whitewater, have no fear MWC fans; they are 9-1 against the Warhawks.



I can't recall the last time UWW faced Beloit....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 12, 2009, 02:10:15 PM
There is a good reason for that '02.  The two teams have not met since 1912.

Based on the  WHITEWATER football media guide the series record against Beloit is 3-9.  WHITEWATER won games in 1896, 1904 and 1909.   

Not that it matters much. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ptp231 on October 12, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
QuoteIt's hard for me to leave out Blodgett and Shep as a strong MC supporter, but Jennings is the best...no doubt.

It really is a good question and you could make an argument for just about any of them, for they are each very talented. The way I see it though is Jennings is benefited by the amount of times IC throws the ball, and with Monmouth, Tanney has something to do with it.

I think it comes down to Jennings and Carter. Not that numbers say everything but here are their career stats. Pretty similar.
Jennings     219catches  2969yrds   34tds  13.6/catch     6 rushes 1 yrds 1td     
Carter         187catches  2914yrds   34tds  15.6/catch     2 rushes 9yrds                 Throwing 2-4, 72, 2 TD
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on October 12, 2009, 04:29:15 PM
 I was at the monmouth snc game Saturday and came away with 2 thoughts. First monmouths offense will keep them in every game this year. the second thought was monmouths defense needs to step it up to make a deep run into the playoffs.   the d line is very  very good and wells at safety is nasty .there were a couple of things that bothered me a40 yard rainbow bomb into double coverage for a tdown also to many receivers open deep middle. I am not sure why that happened i hope it was because berger was so elusive and created plays he was harassed all day and still made big plays.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 12, 2009, 05:53:32 PM
ptp231: Carter a really good receiver, but he doesn't make me say "wow" as much as Jennings.  I can't even imagine what he would do if he played for Monmouth.   Only one was first team preseason all-american, while the other didn't even make 2nd team.  Though that doesn't mean everything either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 12, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2009, 09:36:13 PM

1. Congrats to Monmouth. Your offense is VERY good. I find it possible, depending on the draw, that you could go a little deeper in the play-offs this year. That is if you can keep a couple of ego's in check.


SNCOLDAD - What, you spotted me???   ;D  Just kidding, I had to watch the game on the web as I'm sure you saw from my Pulitzer-worthy coverage on the previous page.  I'm surprised that nobody has prodded you today about the Ego comment, and you don't need to point out any players if you don't want to.  My guess is whatever unneccessary jubilation that occured was the result of ultra-competitive players who were ultra-excited about playing so well against an ultra-respected opponent.   

Best of luck to the Green Knights the rest of the way.  You are still in Scottie's Three to Watch.  Beloit on the other hand.... :(  (Sorry The Roop)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 12, 2009, 08:42:08 PM
I am probably wrong, but I took the "ego" comment as a reference to Bell's 5-wide play against Wartburg that single-handedly cost Monmouth a deeper run last year in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2009, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 12, 2009, 02:10:15 PM
There is a good reason for that '02.  The two teams have not met since 1912.

Based on the  WHITEWATER football media guide the series record against Beloit is 3-9.  WHITEWATER won games in 1896, 1904 and 1909.   

Not that it matters much. 

Sure. Jump on the bandwagon now that you won't have to face Beloit in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 13, 2009, 12:59:02 AM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 12, 2009, 08:42:08 PM
I am probably wrong, but I took the "ego" comment as a reference to Bell's 5-wide play against Wartburg that single-handedly cost Monmouth a deeper run last year in the playoffs.

C'mon!  Such a positive vibe all year, no references since the season has started on here, and there you go.

Ripon on the road scares me this week too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 13, 2009, 01:26:04 AM
Up by 10 with 5:00 min left still haunts me in my dreams.  We'll see if Ripon can have the success they had last time they faced Monmouth at home and squeaked out with a 27-20 win.  Last two years the series is tied 1-1 with the score Ripon 52 Monmouth 48.  Quite the rubber match on Saturday.  As nervous as I am for the RedHawk defense, I am excited for this true test of character for the Hawks.  Monmouth is for real.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 13, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
Got this from the Top 25 thread -- any thoughts from the MWC crew???

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2009, 01:12:10 AM
But at least the MWC title was won on Saturday - will they still play out the season?  (I was dying to type that, but didn't have the guts to do it on the MWC board! ;D)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2009, 09:05:29 AM
scottie, no names are appropriate. It really does not matter any way. What happens down the road will happen. Nothing said here will change the outcome of games.

I was hopeful that you would make it at least to the final quarter. In fact someone asked if you showed up?   ???

Good games this weekend.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 13, 2009, 11:18:44 AM
Quote from: basil991 on October 12, 2009, 12:23:41 PM
Congrats to LFC and Coach Cat on the win! However my other comments still stand, they need to do something else on offense. It seems the only two plays are run it up the gut for little or no yardage or a pass to Carter in the flat.  There has been limited use of screens, sweeps, options, playaction etc.  The defense has been outstanding this season by keeping the team in the game but they can't do it all.  This not necessarily a complaint but a question or suggestion.  It will be a long ride home unless they develop a less predictable game plan and execute better.
hmm...  don't you need a running game for a playaction to work?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on October 13, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2009, 09:05:29 AM
scottie, no names are appropriate. It really does not matter any way. What happens down the road will happen. Nothing said here will change the outcome of games.

I was hopeful that you would make it at least to the final quarter. In fact someone asked if you showed up?   ???

Good games this weekend.

It was great to be back for homecoming. It felt like SNC brought their weather down with them though. Like back in 90 when we went up there for the playoff. Freezing rain, snow it was miserable that day. Best of luck the rest of the way to the Knights, I just hope we don't have a let down against Ripon.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 13, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: BoBo on October 13, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
Got this from the Top 25 thread -- any thoughts from the MWC crew???

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2009, 01:12:10 AM
But at least the MWC title was won on Saturday - will they still play out the season?  (I was dying to type that, but didn't have the guts to do it on the MWC board! ;D)

I'm not even a Ripon fan and I don't like it.  Too much bad karma for Monmouth making statements like that.  If they can get by this week though, I will agree with that statement.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2009, 01:06:58 PM
formerscot4   ???

BoBo - Agreed. Do not even want to hear it after this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 13, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
Here's why I am ok with saying it after Ripon sncoldad.

Against teams like LFC, IC, and Knox (Scots remaining opponents) even if Monmouth is not focused and in the clouds and any of those teams are within striking distance at halftime....then there will be a epiphany in the locker room at half they will say "What are we doing lets focus and whoop these guys now" and they will because the talent differential is too much.  Against Ripon though, they cannot do that because the talent differential isn't as big.

So yes, barring a Tanney injury, if they can pull out this big game Saturday on the road...they've won the MWC title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2009, 01:27:21 PM
MWC, I fully understand your thinking. I just won't go there. Even if it was SNC, I won't go there. You already started putting in one condition, If Tanney doesn't get injured. Confidence is great. But I would still not go there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2009, 01:43:46 PM
Enough of the "group hug/the conference hasn't been won yet" talk. The only question for this week is whether or not DIII Ripon can hold DII Mt. Monmouth under 40 points. I say no and the game will be over by halftime. End of discussion.

FYI, the Scots probably drop 2 spots in the poll because of this..... (that's for you scottie  ;) )
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
At least the defeat of St Norbert had enough respect to move them up a spot. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2009, 02:11:58 PM
Well, the poll itself is fun to make fun of at times because it doesn't really make a difference as to who makes the post season and who doesn't. I would certainly hope that a 9-1 SNC team gets a bid however. At the moment I would think that the Green Knights are now Wheaton fans as two 9-1 CCIW teams probably trump a 9-1 MWC for a Pool C.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 13, 2009, 02:20:19 PM
Capital lost to Mt. Union and jumped from #21 to #16.  Granted they played a good game against the national powerhouse, but they still lost.  Thats quite a jump for losing a game.  Does a "good loss" count for something??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2009, 02:42:42 PM
It shouldn't but it does. It just depends on which conference you're in. Pre-season preconceptions govern the voting throughout the year at the DIII level unfortunately. Otterbein vs. Capital could be a play-in game and I don't have a problem with that. I just don't think that you should be awarded extra votes automatically because Mt. Union is in your conference; but that's what happens.

Not much different from the basketball polls a few years ago where Wittenburg and/or Wooster would have to lose 5 games before they lost a 1st place vote. Top heavy conferences are just that. Don't reward the remaining teams when they're not at the same level but just happened to play a good team now and then.

Trust me, if Ripon loses 41-40 they will not get a vote in the poll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 13, 2009, 03:21:03 PM
Good point Roop. I agree that a close loss should not be worth anything, with an exception - if it is against Mt. Union or UWW. I think everyone can agree that those two have been on nearly an entirely different level the past couple years, if a team, such as Capital, shows that they can compete with them then it should be worth something. If Mt. Union were to lose vs. Ohio State, I don't think they should lose any votes in the top 25. Obviously Ohio St. is on a completely different level, but that is my point as to Mt. Union and UWW.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 13, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
But to jump 5 spots in the polls?? is a little much.  There should be no punishment for the loss, but thats quite the reward.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on October 13, 2009, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: BoBo on October 13, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
Got this from the Top 25 thread -- any thoughts from the MWC crew???

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 13, 2009, 01:12:10 AM
But at least the MWC title was won on Saturday - will they still play out the season?  (I was dying to type that, but didn't have the guts to do it on the MWC board! ;D)


Most of us Scots fans do not think it is over, I might say that if we get by at Ripon. They will give us a fight with their defense. Let's get through this weeks game first!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 13, 2009, 05:00:39 PM
any of the Scotts faithful making the arctic journey to ripon this weekend?

47 degrees and "sunny" for the greatest show on turf saturday
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Record breakers #1fan on October 13, 2009, 10:57:20 PM
I think it comes down to Jennings and Carter. Not that numbers say everything but here are their career stats. Pretty similar.
Jennings     219catches  2969yrds   34tds  13.6/catch     6 rushes 1 yrds 1td     
Carter         187catches  2914yrds   34tds  15.6/catch     2 rushes 9yrds                 Throwing 2-4, 72, 2 TD

Also, look at what each player has had to deal with... , Constant Double teams, a new system every year.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 14, 2009, 12:22:59 AM
stats vs. MC since thats all that really matters  ;D Jennings has gotten better Carter has gotten worse

Carter
2008 - 5 for 54 0 tds
2007 - 6 for 66 2 tds
2006 - 5 for 139 2 tds (LFC 12-8 victory, defense should get most credit though for holding the MC offense to 8pts)

Jennings
2008 - 11 for 83 0 tds
2007 - 6 for 56 1 td (OT road loss 26-23)
2006 - 1 for 4 0 tds

Gezella's having a decent career so far vs. MC
2009 - 8 for 104 1 td
2008 - 4 for 70 0 tds

This year though, Blodgett and Shepard both have comparable if not better stats than these two, and they are not force fed the ball because they are the guy, everything is in the flow of the offense.  Also Kyle Wantland leads the conference in td's.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 14, 2009, 01:13:02 AM
Balance takes you farther that's for sure. Based on receiving yards per game, teams with multiple receivers in the top ten are a combined 10-2, 0 receivers 7-11, and one receiver 11-18. Limit "the man" and it appears you also stop the team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2009, 09:12:25 AM
Here we go with another beautiful football weekend.

The long awaited match-up that has to be considered the pick-em game of the week is about to take place. From beautiful downtown Appleton....    ;D

Oct. 17
Beloit at Illinois College 1 p.m.
Knox at Lawrence 1 p.m.
Lake Forest at Grinnell 1 p.m.
Monmouth at Ripon 1 p.m.
St. Norbert at Carroll 1 p.m.

No night games this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 14, 2009, 09:58:16 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2009, 01:27:21 PM
MWC, I fully understand your thinking. I just won't go there. Even if it was SNC, I won't go there. You already started putting in one condition, If Tanney doesn't get injured. Confidence is great. But I would still not go there.

11 out of 14 years I would go there...   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2009, 10:03:24 AM
You know PC, you may be right. When you are not real familiar with being in that position on a consistent basis, I guess that may be how you look at it.  ::)

Did I just say that  ???

Wow. Must be feeling better.  ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 14, 2009, 06:23:20 PM
I've been waiting all year for a snc fan to claim their past glory.  I think 3 outta 5 years including the last 2, is consistent enough to be familiar.  We'll take our current glory. 8)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pgkevin on October 14, 2009, 08:49:28 PM
Article here on the game between Lawrence and Lake Forest including a nice story about a young kid coming along for the coin toss.

Also mentions that a certain Chicago Bear was in attendance

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/sports/1819595,5_2_WA12_COVER_S1-091012.article
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2009, 12:29:32 AM
Tuskers "derail" Locomotives 29-15 in UFL action. This is relevant to a D3 message board as the new league has one player from the NESCAC; darlings of the D3anything.com world. We'll have a new thread tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 15, 2009, 08:47:06 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 14, 2009, 06:23:20 PM
I've been waiting all year for a snc fan to claim their past glory.  I think 3 outta 5 years including the last 2, is consistent enough to be familiar.  We'll take our current glory. 8)

oh to be a Monmouth grad...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2009, 11:44:51 AM
Oct. 17
Beloit at Illinois College 1 p.m. - IC's loss last week suprised me.  Big game this weekend for Top 4 status. IC by 7 since they're at home.
Knox at Lawrence 1 p.m. - Which coach is going to deliver the most inspiring "We're not going to take it anymore!" speech?  LU by 1 (since @ home).
Lake Forest at Grinnell 1 p.m. Pios are at home and have better record.  Grinnell by 10.
Monmouth at Ripon 1 p.m. The Scots barely escaped at home last year which I HOPE is motivation.  I think the coaches will have them ready.  Good Guys by 14.
St. Norbert at Carroll 1 p.m  SNC by 3 last year.  By 20 this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 15, 2009, 01:05:21 PM
IC
Knox (kinda upset)
LFC (upset)
MC
SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 15, 2009, 02:01:34 PM
If Ripon does win this weekend, that could mean two MWC teams in the playoffs for sure. Just a thought...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 15, 2009, 02:19:00 PM
I don't think it does.  What if st. norbert beat ripon for a three way tie? I'd say only the winner of the tiebreaker and auto bid would get in.  Even if Ripon wins out, a 9-1 Monmouth team with their signature win being st. nobert would have a good chance of getting snubbed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
SNC might not be a bad signature win, once the dust settles.  (Note to Wartburg: Please do not lose any other games.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 15, 2009, 02:31:59 PM
I think a 9-1 Monmouth gets in for sure. A 9-1 SNC team, with their only loss to Monmouth who would win the three-way tie, still has a pretty good chance esp. for a conference that has never had an at-large bid before.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2009, 02:52:02 PM
Anyone know when the regional rankings come out? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2009, 03:02:41 PM
Week 8.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 15, 2009, 03:04:13 PM
yeah, it's like the wednesday after week 8 games going into week 9

and if Monmouth loses to Ripon, you might see the biggest drop ever in the poll.  Has anyone ever gone from 11th to not even receiving votes, because knowing this poll that might happen.

just can't see how a 9-1 Monmouth team definitely gets in
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 15, 2009, 08:49:44 PM
Are you talking about not getting into the playoffs? The MWC will definitely have a team in the playoffs, as you are an AQ conference. The conference winner automatically goes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2009, 08:59:27 PM
Not so fast, my friend!  Give us a little credit, coco.   :D  The discussion is revolving around the three teams which could possibly finish 9-1, and what might happen if two teams ended the season with that record.  Could the MWC send a team into Pool C in addition to the automatic qualifier?  THAT is the question.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 15, 2009, 09:11:29 PM
Sorry. I should have read more of the previous posts.

Of course you could get a C bid. Those are up to the committee, but there aren't very many of them, and you have to be pretty darn good to get one of the few there are. Maybe like three in the country.

When 3 teams end in a tie, most conferences use the Rose Bowl Rule, and take the team that hasn't been in the longest time. Depends on how your conference decides.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 15, 2009, 09:20:28 PM
coco, I think you missed too much of previous conversations. Most of the posters here understand that MWC has an AQ. Also there are even some I bet that know the tie breaker specific to the MWC. What they are saying is there a chance that the MWC could have a 2nd qualifier by performance this year. You seem to be talking in generalities. There actually are some pretty knowledgeable people on this board. I am not one of them.
I have a very bad feeling that since Wartburg lost last week, that was a HUGE blow to SNC in getting an at large. Even if SNC runs the table the rest of the year. That also has an effect on Monmouth as Wartburg beat Loras, MC's only non-con opponent.

There are a lot of ifs out there but right now only Monmouth and Ripon control there own destiny.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on October 15, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 15, 2009, 09:20:28 PM
coco, I think you missed too much of previous conversations. Most of the posters here understand that MWC has an AQ. Also there are even some I bet that know the tie breaker specific to the MWC. What they are saying is there a chance that the MWC could have a 2nd qualifier by performance this year. You seem to be talking in generalities. There actually are some pretty knowledgeable people on this board. I am not one of them.
I have a very bad feeling that since Wartburg lost last week, that was a HUGE blow to SNC in getting an at large. Even if SNC runs the table the rest of the year. That also has an effect on Monmouth as Wartburg beat Loras, MC's only non-con opponent.

There are a lot of ifs out there but right now only Monmouth and Ripon control there own destiny.



You're right, SNCOLDAD. Thanks. I haven't been reading this board the past few days as much as I normally do. I do realize the effect that Wartburg's loss has on the MWC, however. Wartburg is having a strange year.

The MWC seems to be improving immensely, and maybe this is the year that they'll get a pool C bid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 15, 2009, 10:00:04 PM
One can only hope coco. One can only hope ::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 15, 2009, 10:16:00 PM
I do not think the MWC deserves 2 teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 15, 2009, 10:51:30 PM
That really is too bad scots4. I would have thought you would want every opportunity for your team to go to the tourney. And also any other team to represent the conference you are a member of. I am curious as to why you feel that way.

Especially if you consider this scenario. Ripon beats MC this weekend. Next weekend SNC beats Ripon. 3 way tie for MWC. Now throw in that due to MWC rules Monmouth does not represent the conference in the tourney. ( by the way, I do not know the tie breakers in the MWC )

At that time would you think that the MWC deserves 2 teams?

Just curious.  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 15, 2009, 10:59:12 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 15, 2009, 10:16:00 PM
I do not think the MWC deserves 2 teams.

Conferences don't get Pool C bids; teams do.  Obviously, teams in weak conferences are at a disadvantage, since their credentials will be weaker.  This MIGHT be an exception for the MWC.  I doubt the non-AQ team(s) will get a bid, but there may be a stronger case than any other year I can recall.

If the MWC does have a 9-1 runner-up, GOOD LUCK! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 15, 2009, 11:52:07 PM
i feel that same way as Yspi: a 9-1 conference runner up which can only be snc or mc (if ripon is runner up they would be 8-2) would be very lucky if they got in, i thought snc had a better chance a few weeks ago, but their Wartburg win is looking less and less valuable.

Monmouth was 9-1 in 2004 and did not get in, though I think that may have been the last yr the tourney was only 28 teams.  I think it switched to 32 in 2005.

Though I do think the top 3 in the conf. have improved alot and are alot closer to the playing level of nationally elite teams and conferences.  Heck, I think Monmouth is on that level this year!  You can prolly only name 20 or so teams that would make nervous if MC had to play them this year.  The only teams that would cause me to put money down against the Scots this year would be the top 7 in the poll right now and maybe 2 or 3 others, and that's out of 238 teams or so!  Those feelings may be affected by my bias a little, but that's still impressive.

To say the conference doesn't deserve two teams and be serious (I'm not sure if you are scots4), well then I'm not sure how you can call yourself a fan of the conference.  Monmouth-St. Norbert-Ripon games have produced many closely contested games the last few yrs.  If one can get in why can't one more?  Maybe you think we don't even deserve an AQ. :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 01:01:56 AM
I agree that Ripons only way in would be via the AQ. If so then SNC would be out of Pool C consideration with 2 losses. The Scots then become fans of many teams. Whitewater, Wheaton, St. Johns, whomever plays St. Thomas, Linfield, Occidental, whomever plays Redlands and finally Oshkosh.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2009, 01:16:00 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 01:01:56 AM
I agree that Ripons only way in would be via the AQ. If so then SNC would be out of Pool C consideration with 2 losses. The Scots then become fans of many teams. Whitewater, Wheaton, St. Johns, whomever plays St. Thomas, Linfield, Occidental, whomever plays Redlands and finally Oshkosh.

...which is why Ripon had not been in "Scottie's Three to Watch."   ;D

Fortunately, this discussion will become much more clear by about 4:00 p.m. Saturday.  For the sake of the conference, as well as my nervous system, three teams should win out convincingly: Monmouth, SNC, and Wartburg. If so, despite the "counter-culture" that Scots4 (aka Debbie Downer) is introducing, the Green Knights could have a decent argument.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 16, 2009, 02:07:40 AM
Has anyone had a chance to observe a Ripon home matchup this year via Midwestconferencetv (PennAtlantic telecasts)?
Let's hope the aerial artistry of Tanney's picking apart of the secondary of RC will not be lost to us viewers (by a slow moving camera or failure to zoom in on the field).  Do they have college students broadcast their games or provide radio feed in of the play-by-play? Just wondering what to expect?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 16, 2009, 10:47:15 AM
With fear of being labled a conference hater I will add my two cents...

The best senario for the conference is for Monmouth to run the table and SNC and Ripon to play to a tie.  This gives Monmouth the best chance for a high seed which is ultimately gives them the best chance for success in the post season.  A post season win or two for Monmouth this year would help the conference in future years when the possibility for multiple births come up. 

Conversely a 3 way tie is a nightmare and assures the team that gets the bid a road game against a top 5 team... great if they pull off the upset, but unlikely.

I know this is not what anyone wants to hear if they are a senior at Ripon or SNC, but thinking long term...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 11:01:52 AM
PC, I see your point and I will disagree. But that is OK. You are looking at how to build the reputation of the conference in the future. And at the same time trying to get Monmouth the easiest 1st and 2nd round games as possible. Not bad.

But I look at it from Roop's standpoint. Ripon lost their only non-con game. Not good. SNC beat Wartburg in their only Non-con game. Very good. Wartburg lost another game. Not good.

I am biased. I am not experienced in selections. But I believe that Monmouth going undefeated and SNC beating Ripon in a controlled fashion, not necessarily a blowout although that might help, and Wartburg finishing strong, real strong, might, just might get SNC some consideration for a spot. Those 2 St. teams in Minnesota also will have a lot of say as well as Wheaton.

I feel that 2 in this year moves our conference strength ranking higher than 1 getting a home game the 1st and 2nd round.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 16, 2009, 11:31:31 AM
A valid point, especially if you are biased...

But if Monmouth and SNC make it in it looks like SNC goes to Withewater in the first round and Monmouth at Wheaton (or best case Central).  The odds for either of those games do not favor the MWC.  This happens because the to find a lower seed for Monmouth to play you only have SNC to look at so they by default have to play a higher seed. 

If Monmouth runs the table and Ripon/SNC are still looked at as strong opponents, if increases Monmouth's value.  And more importantly it also increases the number of possibile teams for them to play in the first round.

I respect your thoughts on getting more people in, but if they both end in a loss (and possibly a bad loss), it will take some time for the selection committee to make that mistake(?) again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 11:36:50 AM
While Ripon and SNC could finish tied in the standings, there's this new thing called overtime which prevents them from playing to a tie.........................

A 10-0 Mt. Monmouth and a 9-1 SNC give the MWC the best chance at two teams making it. I'm not sure how much Wartburg will factor into SNCs Pool C chances considering that the WIAC isn't likely to have two teams in. Remember that if Whitewater runs the table the best Stevens Point can do is 6 in-region wins, I don't think that's enough.

After that you have to watch the CCIW and MIAC. The 3 team west coast scenario isn't likely to happen but at the moment it's still a possibility. So root for all the teams I said before and then for all the other conference favorites in the rest of the country.

While SNC will be the favorite in their remaining games, their schedule isn't exactly loaded with gimmes. So lets not shoot those eggs like fish cross the road.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 11:39:57 AM
Man, are we good at prognosticating or what.  ;D

I'll take my chances with a 2nd team from the MWC. And remember that Whitewater was moved to another bracket if I remember correctly last year.  ;)

No matter. I would rather have 2 teams in the 32 than 1.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 11:56:54 AM
Actually Whitewater was moved two years ago and Mt. Union was moved last year. I can see Whitewater being moved again as the west figures to be loaded enough without them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 11:58:12 AM
At my age there is not much difference between 1 and 5 years. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 16, 2009, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 11:56:54 AM
I can see Whitewater being moved again as the west figures to be loaded enough without them.

You seem to forget that both the north and west have 10 schools each in the top 25 this week...both appear to be rather evenly loaded (using the poll as reference, though we know it doesn't factor into selections.)  In 2007, the north wasn't nearly as respresented when UWW and MUC were moved to different regions -- only MUC ranked in the top 11.  This year north and west both currently have 6 schools in top 15 if my counts are right.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
But what happens after all the AQs are determined ?? Not all of those ranked teams will get in unfortunately. With 6 AQs in the west and the NathCon winner fitting in either region there figures to be some swapping going around at bracketing time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 01:37:12 PM
Here's an idea for the NCAA to consider. Since they shamelessly caved in to the almighty dollar last year in the football and basketball playoffs. Keep Whitewater in the west and move Mt. Union to the east again. Since an 8 team west region cannot be completed in less than two flights, lets eliminate those west coast teams in the first round.

Send Linfield to Whitewater and Occidental to Mt. Union. That allows them to swap around the rest of the west and north regions as the bus routes dictate.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 16, 2009, 01:53:06 PM
Monmouth right now is prolly like the 5 seed in the west.  The best chance for MC to get a good seed and a home game and for a 9-1 snc team to get a bid is for teams like st. johns, st. thomas, linfield, central, and whitewater, to not stay undefeated.  This is a decent possibility since the two st. teams play each other and the others have tough remaining games left.  I'm pretty sure CCIW teams will stay in the north bracket.  At this point the moving I see happening possibly is Whitewater north and Mt. Union east if Wheaton loses a game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 16, 2009, 02:17:21 PM
Picks for Week 6:

Beloit @ Illinois C. - BC
Knox @ Lawrence - LU
Lake Forest @ Grinnell - GC
Monmouth @ Ripon - MC
St. Norbert @ Carroll - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots!  Can't overlook the Red Hawks at all, and I'm sure Coach Bell and the rest of his staff will have them ready to play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 02:25:09 PM
Maverick,
With you on all picks except one. That Lawrence - Knox game. I say the fans win by kicking the coaches through the uprights!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 02:26:56 PM
MWCfan787, hear you nothing that I say ?? If Whitewater and Wheaton become Pool Cs there's no way St. Norbert gets in. They need things to fall right as it is as Pool Cs are not determined on a regional level; but your scenario is dooming them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 16, 2009, 02:41:25 PM
ok, so lets re-do this

Whitewater and Wheaton 10-0, Central 9-1 win the IIAC, someone win the MIAC at 9-1 with 2nd place being 8-2, Linfield win the NWC at 9-1 with 2nd place being 8-2, and someone win the SCIAC at 9-1 with 2nd place being 8-2.  2nd place in the WIAC could possibly be 8-2 as well.

Now are we looking at the best scenario for the MWC playoff picture?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
Now you're coming around.  ;) The reality is we are at least two weeks away from knowing what is possible and what isn't. I like a 9-1 SNCs chances vs. some teams but not others.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 02:25:09 PM
Maverick,
With you on all picks except one. That Lawrence - Knox game. I say the fans win by kicking the coaches through the uprights!!!  ;D

I'm glad you are leaving it up to the fans to do the kicking.  Because if you've seen the Knox kickers...... :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 03:09:43 PM
You know, Beloit might want to send a scout to this game to recruit a strong leg.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 03:10:34 PM
Oh, speaking of Knox. Only Knox and Lawrence are mathematically eliminated from the MWC race so it's still wide open for the AQ bid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 03:19:20 PM
And yet it is still the Midwest Conference Game of the Week!  ::)

I sure hope that the MWC has their Twitter working better than last week. I want the score from that game every quarter. Not just half and final.  >:(

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
How about if I order two games on MWCTV and send you texts ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2009, 03:25:19 PM
I have class until 2:00 on Saturday, so you might have to order three.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 03:26:10 PM
O yeah. What games Roop?  And you got message. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 16, 2009, 03:52:15 PM
conference got alotta references on triple take this week
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Well at least I don't feel like I am totally blowing smoke when I talk about a 2nd MWC team Might, Could, Maybe get a berth. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 16, 2009, 09:10:01 PM
I think since Ripon isnt in "Scotties Three To Watch" is why they are going with a less of a "titan" of a non-conference opponent so that a 9-1 or 10-0? season can be locked up.  4 years in a row of a non-conference loss leaves Ripon having to win out the MWC, not easy.  Fun to speculate about the scenarios, but i am excited for the action tomorrow.  My picks:

LU -3 v KC -2  (Knox technically wins by -1 points)
SNC 17 v CU 10 (Carroll has to be pissed by now and they always play tough at home)
LFC 6 v GC 21 (two turnovers lead to two LFC field goals, LFC is under 125yds on offense)
BC 35 v IC 24 (IC continues to struggle on D, as Beloit locks up 4th place)
MC 35 v RC 38 (im hoping for as good of a game as last year just the scores reversed  ;) )

overall good weekend again of football
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 09:24:56 PM
Redman09, I like your thinking on the Larry - Knix game.  ;D

All kidding aside, they field a team. That is more than some schools.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
So nice to be cited, Redmen09.   ;D  And you are right....if Ripon had won their non-conference game, they remain in "Scottie's Three to Watch" or what I am now changing the TM to "Scotties 3.2 Watch."  oooooh!

Good luck to all tomorrow, especially the Good Guys!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 16, 2009, 09:57:45 PM
Word on the street is somebody saw the College Game Day bus heading north from Texas towards WI.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2009, 10:23:43 PM
If that's true, please tell the camera operator not to spend the entire game zooming in on the sideline reporter (whose name I will not mention in print, due to the recent media exposure - but let's just say that she replaced Beloit in Scottie's 3.2. Watch).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 17, 2009, 07:52:50 AM
Game Day in Waukesha Wisconsin. I Love It.  ;D

Hitting the road in a few minutes. Looking forward to a great day. No injuries please.

And One More Thing.....


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2009, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 16, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2009, 02:25:09 PM
Maverick,
With you on all picks except one. That Lawrence - Knox game. I say the fans win by kicking the coaches through the uprights!!!  ;D

I'm glad you are leaving it up to the fans to do the kicking.  Because if you've seen the Knox kickers...... :o

100% agreed with both of you! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 17, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
We are at Schneider Stadium. Overcast, about 45. Wind out of NWat 8-12. SNC fans outnumber CU fans but it is still 20 min. To kickoff.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 02:11:08 PM
MC up 7-0 over Ripon. Twenty-first turnover, left MC with short field position to score! 12:54 left in first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 02:19:25 PM
Ball at the 39 of Ripon, 4th and inches... Ripon fumbles and MC recovers!
Buffering is causing poor reception.

MC scores again... up 14-0. Ripon shooting themselves in the foot. Allowing MC to stay in their field of play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 02:40:16 PM
At the end of the First Period - MC 14 - RC 7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 03:04:42 PM
Carroll leads St. Norbert 20-0 near the close of the first half. What's with that?
MC over Ripon 28-10 with about 4 minutes left in the first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: carrollfan on October 17, 2009, 03:15:33 PM
watching the CU Norbs game on MWCtv. This is the first game of this season ive been able to watch.  St. N looks a little lost out there on defense.  Is Carroll playing a little more up to their potential right now or is Norbie asleep?  Just wondering, im a little behind this season
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 03:04:42 PM
Carroll leads St. Norbert 20-0 near the close of the first half. What's with that?
MC over Ripon 28-10 with about 4 minutes left in the first half.

MC and Ripon have tightened up on each other... Ripon still trails by 28-13 heading into the 4th. Ripon's play calling is predictable, no imagination... yet they are holding the Scots from scoring...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2009, 04:49:58 PM
Final: Monmouth 35 - Ripon 13

Didn't get to see the first half on MWCtv, but caught the second half...kind of a slow half compared to what us Scots fans are used to, but a win is still a win.  Thought the defense played a good game during the parts that I was able to watch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Monmouth 35-13, final.  Only "saw" the second.  Not sure about any of you, but my laptop and this Penn Atlantic outfit don't seem to want to play nice together.  And I've got a decent amount of memory, so I'll blame them.   :D

Congrats to the Hawks for holding MC to a conference low.  Seems like MC has a habitual penalty problem that won't do them any good in the playoffs (if they make it, of course).  Hopefully something they will work on.

p.s.  I see that #10 Wabash lost, so we'll see how many teams leapfrog the Good Guys to keep them out of the top ten.   ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2009, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 17, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Monmouth 35-13, final.  Only "saw" the second.  Not sure about any of you, but my laptop and this Penn Atlantic outfit don't seem to want to play nice together.  And I've got a decent amount of memory, so I'll blame them.   :D

Congrats to the Hawks for holding MC to a conference low.  Seems like MC has a habitual penalty problem that won't do them any good in the playoffs (if they make it, of course).  Hopefully something they will work on.

p.s.  I see that #10 Wabash lost, so we'll see how many teams leapfrog the Good Guys to keep them out of the top ten.   ::)

I second your point about Penn Atlantic...I just had memory added to my computer last month and I still have problems trying to watch these games.

The point about #10 Wabash and teams leapfrogging the Scots in this week's poll...priceless! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2009, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 13, 2009, 01:43:46 PM
Enough of the "group hug/the conference hasn't been won yet" talk. The only question for this week is whether or not DIII Ripon can hold DII Mt. Monmouth under 40 points. I say no and the game will be over by halftime. End of discussion.

FYI, the Scots probably drop 2 spots in the poll because of this..... (that's for you scottie  ;) )

OK. I was wrong on the 40 pt. prediction. Show me the new polls............................  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2009, 06:06:48 PM
finals:

Congrats to the Vikings, who get 14 3rd Q points for first win.

Knox 13
Lawrence 17

And SNC stuns Carroll with a second-half whitewash, after trailing 20-0 at intermission

Carroll 20
St. Norbert 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2009, 06:09:59 PM
Final

Lake Forest 35
Grinnell 28

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2009, 06:12:51 PM
Final

Beloit  42
Illinois  50

IC up 35-21 at the half and goes from there

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 17, 2009, 07:50:54 PM
Well.  ;D

What can I say.  ???

I can say a lot.
1. Referees were Waaaaay too involved in the game. Very Bad.
2. Whoever or whatever was attempting to run the clocks. Do not give up your day job. The only thing you seemed to know how to do was run the clock down during timeouts in the first half and not run the clock during plays in the second half.
3. And to the Carroll fan in the beret. You acted like a total classless A$$ the entire first half. And you died like the @^$*&$@*&$ YOU ARE IN THE 2ND HALF.

All I can say is I am glad we won so I could make these statements and not have it come from someone that was upset over losing.

Way to go GREEN KNIGHTS

You showed why you play all 4 quarters.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2009, 08:03:57 PM
Wow, DAD, I'm glad the Knights won.  Pat might have had to shut down this board if you were typing after an "L" - due to FCC violations!!   ;)  NOW, for some news you won't like....W'burg took another one on the chin today.  Please take a walk around the block before your next post.   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 17, 2009, 08:12:26 PM
scottie, NOOOOooooooooo :'(

I would not have posted for at least a day if we had lost.  :-X

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
DAD, In the second half of the Scots/Redman battle, Ripon ran a play (for a couple of yards by Mitchell, QB) the officials threw a flag and decided that "we better let RC run that play again" with little explanation to viewers.

The play by play broadcasters indicate the offiials would tack on an additional yard to a MC penalty every once and awhile. (A 15 yard PP would be marched off to sixteen yards...) So be careful of this officiating crew if they go into the postseason. Holding calls and personal fouls were not necessary in this game, way too many Scots. Let's get this out of our system.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2009, 09:53:37 PM
I think I've seen that crew at Beloit games. Clearly tackle somebody at the 40, for example, and they spot it anywhere from the 38-42 yard line.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2009, 11:40:01 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 13, 2009, 01:43:46 PM
Enough of the "group hug/the conference hasn't been won yet" talk. The only question for this week is whether or not DIII Ripon can hold DII Mt. Monmouth under 40 points. I say no and the game will be over by halftime. End of discussion.


Not so fast my friend! The Good Guys still have three major hurdles left before any post season tickets are stamped. 
1. Lake Forest: One of Urlacher's cousin-in-laws could take over the game.
2. IC: The shoot out in the Maple City.
3. Knox: Throw out the records when these two meet!

Is Scottie right, or is Scottie right?   :) ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2009, 11:55:17 PM
scottie you are as right now as you were before the season when you said Mt. Monmouth would be 6-4.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2009, 12:08:36 AM
And before my karma gets too high again, did everyone see that one of the "chosen three" lost a game. Yup, MH-B dropped one. Not sure how they got the elevated status in the first place as they've had their chances at Salem more than once in recent years and never got it done.

Note to Coach Bell. You graduate 4 of your 5 offensive linemen so if you are going to have "a year" this might be it. Do the MWC proud.

Beloit will schlep up and beat SNC so a second MWC bid is out of the question.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2009, 12:28:08 AM
Because they've been the only consistent third team in the semifinals behind MUC and UWW.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2009, 12:31:26 AM
Weak region obviously didn't factor in I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2009, 01:27:26 AM
Didn't prevent them from being the consistent No. 3 team in Division III over the past few years. Still.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2009, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
DAD, In the second half of the Scots/Redman battle, Ripon ran a play (for a couple of yards by Mitchell, QB) the officials threw a flag and decided that "we better let RC run that play again" with little explanation to viewers.

The play by play broadcasters indicate the offiials would tack on an additional yard to a MC penalty every once and awhile. (A 15 yard PP would be marched off to sixteen yards...) So be careful of this officiating crew if they go into the postseason. Holding calls and personal fouls were not necessary in this game, way too many Scots. Let's get this out of our system.

I was also at the Ripon/MOnmouth game, and here is what happened on that play.  The refs blew an inadvertant whistle,(because those refs are horrible!)  they blew the whistle as our back was tackled, however the QB had pulled the ball and was running around the corner.  I know that they did a "redo" which I am still not sure about that call either.  However, the adding on yards here and there is not true!  That can't happen.  Now I will say that there were a few bad calls in that game.  I think the 15 yard personal on Monmouths LB for the shot to our QB in the middle of the field for helmet to helmet was a little off.  I personally felt that it was a great hit. 

Monmouth is a great team!  You take away the 2 Ripon possessions that resulted in fumbles and 14 points for Monmouth and we have a different game.  "If frogs had wings they wouldn't womp there a$$ everytime they moved" quote from a coach I know ;D.  So you can't play the if card, however I felt that it was a very well played game on both sides.

Off subject....

Does it upset ANYONE else on this board to sit at a game and have to listen to the other fans/parents that obviously know NOTHING about football start yelling things and talking?  Yesterday I almost lost it, I think that along with the sportsmanship speach the announcer does every game he should also say....
"If you know nothing about football or know very little about what is actually going on, please KEEP YOUR MOUTHS shut and just cheer for your friend/son/relative".

Have a great Sunday and I look forward for next Saturday when Ripon takes on the NUBS!!!
 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 18, 2009, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2009, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on October 17, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
DAD, In the second half of the Scots/Redman battle, Ripon ran a play (for a couple of yards by Mitchell, QB) the officials threw a flag and decided that "we better let RC run that play again" with little explanation to viewers.

The play by play broadcasters indicate the offiials would tack on an additional yard to a MC penalty every once and awhile. (A 15 yard PP would be marched off to sixteen yards...) So be careful of this officiating crew if they go into the postseason. Holding calls and personal fouls were not necessary in this game, way too many Scots. Let's get this out of our system.

I was also at the Ripon/MOnmouth game, and here is what happened on that play.  The refs blew an inadvertant whistle,(because those refs are horrible!)  they blew the whistle as our back was tackled, however the QB had pulled the ball and was running around the corner.  I know that they did a "redo" which I am still not sure about that call either.  However, the adding on yards here and there is not true!  That can't happen.  Now I will say that there were a few bad calls in that game.  I think the 15 yard personal on Monmouths LB for the shot to our QB in the middle of the field for helmet to helmet was a little off.  I personally felt that it was a great hit. 

Monmouth is a great team!  You take away the 2 Ripon possessions that resulted in fumbles and 14 points for Monmouth and we have a different game.  "If frogs had wings they wouldn't womp there a$$ everytime they moved" quote from a coach I know ;D.  So you can't play the if card, however I felt that it was a very well played game on both sides.

Off subject....

Does it upset ANYONE else on this board to sit at a game and have to listen to the other fans/parents that obviously know NOTHING about football start yelling things and talking?  Yesterday I almost lost it, I think that along with the sportsmanship speach the announcer does every game he should also say....
"If you know nothing about football or know very little about what is actually going on, please KEEP YOUR MOUTHS shut and just cheer for your friend/son/relative".

Have a great Sunday and I look forward for next Saturday when Ripon takes on the NUBS!!!
 

I more have that problem in basketball since I know basketball better than football. It isn't always the other team's fans either. I sometimes have problems with fans of my own team too. Especially those that think there is no possible way their son could ever commit a foul.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2009, 11:37:33 AM
Good Morning all. I got a good nights sleep and actually did some work that needed to get done handled this morning.

Concerning fans that don't know football. I will back off on that one. I will not begrudge a fan that cheers for their player or team in a classy fashion.

But DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT yell bad things at opposing players or teams. DO NOT have the name calling.

Do appreciate a good play by either side. When your player is blocked out of a play that springs the other team for 20 yards, you don't have to call foul every time. Quietly think to yourself and appreciate the good play set-up that you just witnessed.

In D3, especially in D3, this is a game. What you see on the field is a bunch of guys that work their butts off to play a game. They don't get tuition paid for to do this. They are not on prime time Saturday TV. They are not playing in front of 80,000 fans (unless you are Delaware State this week)  ;D

Yell at the timekeeper or the refs. Yell FOR your kid or team. But do not call opposing players names loud enough for the entire stadium to hear.

In the situation yesterday, if looks could kill, the timekeeper would have been in severe pain by the stare he got from the head coach of Carroll at the end of the 1st half. His own head coach was ready to hang him for the constant mistakes being made.

So, cheer. Cheer loud in a positive way. Even if you don't know the game.  :P  Then I say learn the game.  :D

Do not put down any player on the field for them playing a very rough sport. If they do something dirty, yell. But make sure that if one of your own players does the same thing, yell at him also. At worst, do not scream if a flag is thrown against your own player for dirty play.

scottie, thanks for the bad news last night about Wartburg. That Hurt. Darn it.

Also sounds like the battle of Minnesota Saints was a heck of a game.

But as far as I am concerned, I attended a game that the outcome was unreal. And I applaud the coaches and teams for the halftime adjustments made. If for no other reason than all that great play in the 2nd half shut up a certain beret clad fan that a lot of people wanted to shoot.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2009, 12:44:12 PM
Sorry to share BAD news, SNCOLDAD.  It had to be done.  I'm honest, even if it hurts.  Probably why my karma rarely gets over a baker's dozen - - not that I'm campaigning or anything.   :D

The sun is out and it's a little warmer today, so I'm going to give the golf clubs one last trip around the course.  Will check back later this p.m. to check out the wild 'n crazy Top 25.  C'mon voters, do the right thing! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 18, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
SNOLDAD, it is an actual NCAA offical that works as the time keeper at any event that being a football or basketball game. So I would assume either both Carroll or SNC would love to send a letter to the officals to imform them of the mistakes being made by one of there own. On the game yesterday I was not able to attend but was gettting constant updates and when i saw Carroll was up 20 to 0 at half it gave me goosebumps to actually think Carroll would win the big game, but just as it was with my 4 years there we were never able to get over that hump in the big game that could do wonders for the program. I know SNC made some adjustments at half that obviously made the difference in the game, but I just wish Carroll would get some consistent play this season and show what they did last was not a fluke by finishing 7-3 and playing there hearts in each of those games. Again congrats on great comeback win, but for some reason this weekend for me personally isn't going over very well, first Carroll than ND when will it END!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 18, 2009, 05:19:03 PM
Perhaps things are done differently in the MWC, I don't know.  But in the WIAC the home school provides the time keeper for football and basketball games.  It's not an NCAA official but generally someone from the school or community who does it.  I know this is done in WW because I have done football as the backup when the regular person, a university employee, is unavailable and I am the regular timer for both the men's and women's basketball teams.

I can't speak for others but I know that I feel really lousy when I've made a mistake.  You try to do it perfectly but we are human beings and sometimes you simply screw up.  If you do screw up you just hope it can be corrected and that it doesn't influence the outcome of the game.  However if you're screwing up multiple times in a game there's a problem.  
Title: on the topic of officials
Post by: bombsovertrees on October 18, 2009, 05:23:40 PM
If there is an age requirement, than the crew at the GC-LFC game should be in the officiating retirement home.
The referee (age guessed at 80ish) called a measurable first down from 20 yards behind the play.. which he couldn't keep up with. Despite his mates asking him to wait and measure.

Furthermore, it is very VERY difficult to understand that there were five lining up in the neutral zone calls... none of which really looked like it was, and none appeared to have any impact on the play.

The final was the sideline penalites on both teams--- of course, there wasn't a single incident of holding during the game though (even when a player's jersey was litterally pulled off BOTH sides of his shoulder pads.)  

Grinnell converted a 3rd and 22-- I mean the officials converted a 3rd and 22 which gave led to their second touchdown  and the biggest momentum change in the game.

Lfc showed some life on offense the last few weeks.. not sure if it is the kids are used to the new staff, or if they are playing such weaker opponents-- I guess we'll find out this week with the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2009, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: Footballfan99 on October 18, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
SNOLDAD, it is an actual NCAA offical that works as the time keeper at any event that being a football or basketball game. So I would assume either both Carroll or SNC would love to send a letter to the officals to imform them of the mistakes being made by one of there own. On the game yesterday I was not able to attend but was gettting constant updates and when i saw Carroll was up 20 to 0 at half it gave me goosebumps to actually think Carroll would win the big game, but just as it was with my 4 years there we were never able to get over that hump in the big game that could do wonders for the program. I know SNC made some adjustments at half that obviously made the difference in the game, but I just wish Carroll would get some consistent play this season and show what they did last was not a fluke by finishing 7-3 and playing there hearts in each of those games. Again congrats on great comeback win, but for some reason this weekend for me personally isn't going over very well, first Carroll than ND when will it END!!!!

Sorry to bring the bad news, but it is not a NCAA official that does the clock at games, it's the home team that is responsible for getting someone to do the clock.  I have coached college basketball and have been on the field of D3 football since before I could walk and I know for a fact that it's not a NCAA official doing the clock, it's someone that wears the cool shirt, but they are local students/staff/community people doing a good deed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 18, 2009, 07:33:11 PM
Lake Forest, IC, Knox

I'd say the MC first string has about 6 quarters left until Nov. 21st.

Or should they let them play the full game against Knox to get reps?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
Surprise(?) for the 'gloomy gusses' - Monmouth moves up to #9 in the new poll, just behind UMHB.  Wabash fell from 10 to 18, and W&J fell from 9 to 11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2009, 08:24:27 PM
Gee Whiz!!  Is #8 too much to ask?    >:(   JUST KIDDING PAT! :) 

Is this single-digit ranking unchartered territory for the MWC?  (Can't remember if the Knights were up that high....)   ???  Keep up the good work, Scots, and watch out for the upset-minded foes of the next three weeks.  Just like the Foxy Lady....they're coming to getcha!   ;D ;D



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2009, 08:39:40 PM
#9. Wow. Guess the win against SNC was worth something.  ;D  Nice.

As far as the time keeper goes, people yelled that he was a volunteer so I assume not a ref. What gets me to a certain extent is that the official on the field kept stopping play because of the time being goofed up and not to his liking. But he never put on a set of headsets to explain what the guy was doing wrong. Not every mistake was real evident. I am assuming resetting to 40 when it should have been 25 and vice versa. Hw was just as frustrated as every spectator was.

The real pressure for MC in the playoffs will truly be on the offense. THey have to realize their defense will get scored on by playoff caliber teams. Especially if they are firing on all cylinders. That means the offense will have to answer. They will. The question will be is ti enough?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2009, 12:02:16 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 18, 2009, 08:24:27 PM
Is this single-digit ranking unchartered territory for the MWC?

Probably* as there were no national polls when Lawrence made it to the semi-finals in 81.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2009, 12:29:39 PM
A little "I know it's only Monday" conversation.....

Some intriguing out-of-MWC match-ups this weekend with implications to the rankings:

#3 Wheaton @ #13 North Central
#6 Linfield @ #17 Willamette

Assuming the #9 Good Guys can escape LF with a hard-fought W (a "group hug" reference for The Roop  :D)  there might be some interesting shuffling in the rankings if either/both "underdogs" win.   Would the favorites AND underdog stay/move ahead of the Scots?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2009, 01:15:56 PM
While those games will certainly be of interest, I think if you're a St. Norbert fan you'll be hoping for upsets in the ASC. What MH-B does this week won't matter, as it's a non-D3 game, but their remaining schedule is all below .500. Similarly, Mississippi Colleges remaining schedule is also all below .500. Their loss was to NAIA Cumberland and won't effect their regional rankings/selection criteria.

It will be interesting to see what the NCAA does with Mississippi College should they get the Pool A as I don't think they can host a game due to mascot probation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 19, 2009, 01:19:44 PM
really? on a Monday?

Since you asked... I don't see Monmouth moving much with the remainder of their schedule. 

If North Central wins I do not see Wheaton falling below Monmouth and I also don't see NC jumping Monmouth, but that would be more likely than a Wheaton fall. 

A Williamette win might cause Linfield to fall below Monmouth, but Williamette should not jump Monmouth. 

So my most likely senario for Monmouth to move up is a Williamette win, unless NC also wins and then I see NC jumping Monmouth and Linfield falling behind "the good guys" resulting in no change.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on October 19, 2009, 02:23:58 PM
 with the good guys remaining schedule i have to agree with pc 7 tops 8 more likely with an upset. The good guys wont move up until the playoffs and they beat one of those supposed quality teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: PC on October 19, 2009, 01:19:44 PM
really? on a Monday?


Sorry to bring up such a mundane topic....  Would you rather use this time to discuss Colonel Jessup's favorite color?   ???

But thanks for the hypotheses.  We can move on now.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 19, 2009, 04:26:23 PM
Is Colonel Jessup the guy who fires the cannon when the Scots score?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2009, 04:32:43 PM
Don't tell him scottie. I bet he can't handle the truth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2009, 05:22:49 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 19, 2009, 04:32:43 PM
Don't tell him scottie. I bet he can't handle the truth.

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 20, 2009, 12:55:30 PM
soo...the runner-up championship game is this saturday

red hawks v. green knights

which colored mascot will reign supreme?

this game seems bigger for snc than ripon as snc still has some playoff hopes
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bombsovertrees on October 20, 2009, 04:15:04 PM
Two predictions:

Ripon over SNC by 14 or more.

Monmouth 173 Opponents: 18 (16 by IC's offense they go for 2 both times, and LFC's special teams gets a safety on a snap over the punters head that bounces off the ref, and goes into the endzone.)


As a point of reference they outscored their remaining schedule 180-29 a year ago. Including that 78-17 whooping over IC.

By the way-- how does Maughan get named Offensive POTW over Niekamp or Sobey== they won (niekamp head to head) and he lost??

Niekamp  40-28-0   299  6   37    1
Maughan 37-27-1   423  3   66    4
Sobey      45-24-1   256  4   55    3     + a 42 yard TD run

That just doesn't seem right. I know he has gaudy yards, but 1. He lost. 2 he has threw fewer touchdown passes on the day than those qb's and Tanney.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 20, 2009, 04:42:27 PM
Did that equation include any offensive output from the Prairie Fire?  Remember, you can throw the records out the window when these two teams collide....   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2009, 05:47:34 PM
At the risk of extending an argument, Maughn did break two school records in the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 20, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/136705861

If only there was a way the WIAC can avoid this...like scheduling some non-conference schools near by to save costs....... :P   ;)    ;D

map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 20, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 20, 2009, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 20, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.

I second that, why would you expect schools with enrollments 1/8 to 1/4 your size to come knocking?

6 div II teams in ohio, 9  in minnesota, 8  in michigan, 1 in illinois, 1 in iowa, 2 in indiana, 8 in missouri, 3 in south dakota, 2 in north dakota
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 21, 2009, 12:15:44 AM
Ripon played UW-O the last four years, and I believe Oshkosh's enrollment is more than 10 times the size of RC's.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 21, 2009, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 20, 2009, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 20, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.

I second that, why would you expect schools with enrollments 1/8 to 1/4 your size to come knocking?

6 div II teams in ohio, 9  in minnesota, 8  in michigan, 1 in illinois, 1 in iowa, 2 in indiana, 8 in missouri, 3 in south dakota, 2 in north dakota

As far as I know there is not a D-II in Illinois
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WSUFan on October 21, 2009, 01:18:32 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 20, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.

Hence why UW-L picked up games with FCS opponents North Dakota and South Dakota State the last few seasons.  On the other hand, when Winona State's program improved, they dropped UW-L since a loss would kill their hopes for a DII at-large bid and a win did them no good in obtaining an at-large.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 21, 2009, 01:54:47 AM
tm343407:  Quincy University

i got those numbers directly from the ncaa website
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 21, 2009, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 20, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/136705861

If only there was a way the WIAC can avoid this...like scheduling some non-conference schools near by to save costs....... :P   ;)    ;D

map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif)
$450,000 could go a long way in convincing a near by D3 school to play the "non-scholarship" teams in the WIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
Games for this weekend. I think there are a couple interesting ones.  :o

Saturday, October 24            Time

Carroll at Knox                      1 p.m.

Grinnell at Illinois College      1 p.m.

Lawrence at Beloit                 1 p.m.

Monmouth at Lake Forest      1 p.m.

Ripon at St. Norbert               1 p.m.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 12:43:41 PM
After reading that article, and looking at that map, I dont see how there is a shortage of DIII teams in the midwest like the WIAC is suggesting ???  It would be neat to see Ripon take on River Falls and have a Hawk vs Falcon Triple Option Showdown
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: PC on October 21, 2009, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 20, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/136705861

If only there was a way the WIAC can avoid this...like scheduling some non-conference schools near by to save costs....... :P   ;)    ;D

map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif)
$450,000 could go a long way in convincing a near by D3 school to play the "non-scholarship" teams in the WIAC.

It's also worth noting that while D3 ALLOWS 10 games, it does not REQUIRE a 10 game schedule. Why not play only 9 games and save even more money. 1 less win doesn't hurt like an extra loss would. Based on some of the comments made in the article it sounds like the WIAC is more consumed with post season bids and potential national championships than it is about the conference itself.

If you ask me that really isn't in keeping with the "Spirit of D3". I've felt that way for a long time and am glad they are finally admitting it themselves. Now before people assume I am wanting them in D2, I'm not. This scheduling issue seems to be a football only problem. Not sure why it's up to the rest of the schools in the region to solve it for them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
Why do I get the feeling we are not hearing the full story from BOTH sides on this issue?   :-\

I may be wrong, but I don't think I saw any interviews with other Wisconsin D3 schools about this so that the other side could be out in the open.  ::)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 20, 2009, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 20, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.

I second that, why would you expect schools with enrollments 1/8 to 1/4 your size to come knocking?

6 div II teams in ohio, 9  in minnesota, 8  in michigan, 1 in illinois, 1 in iowa, 2 in indiana, 8 in missouri, 3 in south dakota, 2 in north dakota

Because the size of a school has nothing to do with the success of a football program. Athletic departments don't recruit players within their student population...they go out and recruit players before they enroll.

Here's the 10 best teams in the country....not all that different compared to the MWC (except for UWW) as far as enrollment.

Mount Union: 2028
UW-Whitewater: 9000
Wheaton: 2349
Weasly: 1843
St. John's: 1862
Linfield: 2150
Central: 1423
Mary Hardin Baylor: 2263
Monmouth: 1343
Otterbein: 2088


St. Norbert: 2004
Ripon: 971
IL College: 999
Beloit: 1296
Carroll: 2495
Grinnell: 1617
Lake Forest: 1314
Lawerence: 1323
Knox: 1245


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 12:43:41 PM
After reading that article, and looking at that map, I dont see how there is a shortage of DIII teams in the midwest like the WIAC is suggesting ???  It would be neat to see Ripon take on River Falls and have a Hawk vs Falcon Triple Option Showdown

I think they are suggesting that there's a shortage of DIII teams willing to play the WIAC. I agree with on the UWRF and Ripon idea. +K
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 01:06:23 PM
My picks for this Weekend: (went 1-4 last week  :-\, looking to do better this week)

MC 56 @ LFC 3  (the only chance LFC has is if 21 of the 22 MC starters get swine flu in two days)

LU 7 @ Beloit 38 (In what used to be a battle of the 0-?, Beloit will make a statement, hopefully                               Beloit doesnt give LU its first winning streak since 07)

Carroll 28 @ Knox 13 (Knox will be the new LU this season)

Grinnell 35 @ IC 42 (IC is leading the race for 4th and will stay there)

*Game of the Week*
RC 39 @ SNC 21 (RC kicks 13 field goals and repeats in 2nd place for the 4th year in a row)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 21, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
02 Warhawk, enrollment matters cuz its more money for nicer and bigger facilities.  UWW's stadium could hold the entire Monmouth community.

Also, I haven't researched this so I may be wrong, but your league consists of public schools which I imagine have much lower sticker prices on their tuition than most d3 schools which are private.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 21, 2009, 01:18:25 PM
redmen, I know you are joking about 13 fgs but I hope you are about the score too.  That one is gonna be much closer than 18 pts.  I could see this being the game of the year in the conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 01:22:14 PM
The freshman kicker got MWC ST of the week and is one field goal away from most FG's in a season for Ripon, that was the field goal reference.  As for the outcome I think Ripon will win by two scores, 39-21 was just random.   Any word on the monmouth team getting the swine flu?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 21, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
02 Warhawk, enrollment matters cuz its more money for nicer and bigger facilities.  UWW's stadium could hold the entire Monmouth community.

Also, I haven't researched this so I may be wrong, but your league consists of public schools which I imagine have much lower sticker prices on their tuition than most d3 schools which are private.

you're right about that, it's cheaper to get into WIAC schools then it is a private school. I would think private would have a fair amount of funding with the sticker price they charge to enroll, plus grants, etc.... As far as having nice facilities compared to the size of a school, that's not the case for UWW. We are lucky to have a few alumni with deep pockets. for that we are very gratefull for.


Plus to quote a prior post by Pat "the Top 10 operating budgets from the 2007 season. None was a state school."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 21, 2009, 01:39:04 PM
I think it will be a down to the wire game.  Ripon won by 12 last yr, but I think they lost a little more from last yr than snc did.  Monmouth beat Ripon by 22 and SNC by 28 this year.  St. Norbert has the home crowd.  I'm taking Ripon by a field goal.  17-14.

regarding the swine flu, this might be arrogant to say but if 21 of 22 starters did miss the game, as long as the one starter left was Alex Tanney the Scots still would have a decent chance to win.  They've got some good backups.

Maybe Monmouth should do this for the Knox game, to make that game relevant again, cuz one of the best rivalries and oldest rivalries in college football has been dead for 10 years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 21, 2009, 01:45:20 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 20, 2009, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 20, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
A compelling argument.  A DII opponent would probably pay decent money for a game, although some may be worried about playing a team from a larger school.  Something to consider....

p.s.  The map paints quite a picture.

I second that, why would you expect schools with enrollments 1/8 to 1/4 your size to come knocking?

6 div II teams in ohio, 9  in minnesota, 8  in michigan, 1 in illinois, 1 in iowa, 2 in indiana, 8 in missouri, 3 in south dakota, 2 in north dakota

Because the size of a school has nothing to do with the success of a football program. Athletic departments don't recruit players within their student population...they go out and recruit players before they enroll.

Here's the 10 best teams in the country....not all that different compared to the MWC (except for UWW) as far as enrollment.

Mount Union: 2028
UW-Whitewater: 9000
Wheaton: 2349
Weasly: 1843
St. John's: 1862
Linfield: 2150
Central: 1423
Mary Hardin Baylor: 2263
Monmouth: 1343
Otterbein: 2088


St. Norbert: 2004
Ripon: 971
IL College: 999
Beloit: 1296
Carroll: 2495
Grinnell: 1617
Lake Forest: 1314
Lawerence: 1323
Knox: 1245



Excluding  Whitewater that means that the average top 10 shchool is 31.9% larger than the average MWC School.  That is not that different... maybe I can convince my employer to give me a 31% raise because it is not that different than the 3% they were planning...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 21, 2009, 01:45:50 PM
whawk,  there's always a stat somewhere to point out that makes any side look good.  I'd say though you need to be honest with yourself.  WIAC schools sizes are an advantage for athletics.  Your conference doesn't get head and shoulders above without an advantage.  Whether there is a statistic to prove it or not.  That's how I feel period.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 21, 2009, 01:45:50 PM
whawk,  there's always a stat somewhere to point out that makes any side look good.  I'd say though you need to be honest with yourself.  WIAC schools sizes are an advantage for athletics.  Your conference doesn't get head and shoulders above without an advantage.  Whether there is a statistic to prove it or not.  That's how I feel period.

understood.....i was just trying to get a feel for this board's opinion as far exercising the possibility of scheduling WIAC teams. It's a shame we have to play a conference opponent twice in a year. I don't think any conference will want to resort to that, not just the WIAC.

Best of luck to the MWC this season...hope everyone stays healthy  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
Ripon tried the WIAC thing for the last four years. last year, and possibly this year, I believe it will keep them out of the playoffs.  I dont see Ripon going back to a WIAC school for their next contract(s) for that reason.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
I think the WIACs decision to start the new policy in 2011 was a bit too hasty. Most MWC teams have their non-conference "game" scheduled through that year already and probably couldn't change even if they wanted to.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 02:21:17 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
Ripon tried the WIAC thing for the last four years. last year, and possibly this year, I believe it will keep them out of the playoffs.  I dont see Ripon going back to a WIAC school for their next contract(s) for that reason.

Does the MWC usually get a Pool C bid???

Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
I think the WIACs decision to start the new policy in 2011 was a bit too hasty. Most MWC teams have their non-conference "game" scheduled through that year already and probably couldn't change even if they wanted to.

I know whitewater is always scrounging around at the 11th hour to fill it's nonconference schedule up...it's not easy. we already had to play Eau Claire twice last year...once as a NC game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC and want to help out. But to answer your question. No, the MWC doesn't get a Pool C bid but it's not their responsibility to ensure that the WIAC usually does.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: WSUFan on October 21, 2009, 02:35:02 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 12:44:18 PM

It's also worth noting that while D3 ALLOWS 10 games, it does not REQUIRE a 10 game schedule. Why not play only 9 games and save even more money. 1 less win doesn't hurt like an extra loss would. Based on some of the comments made in the article it sounds like the WIAC is more consumed with post season bids and potential national championships than it is about the conference itself.

UW-L played a 9 game schedule several times since 2001... two of those seasons included only 3 home games which is why they picked up FCS opponents for a payday.  Yes, they are public schools... money which comes from taxpayers and with everyone cutting budgets, I think it's a fair assessment for the WIAC to look at less travel across the country by flight during the regular season.  If the prerogative was post-season bids, this would have been done a long time ago.  I'd much rather see my team travel to UMHB or Linfield rather than playing MWC or CCIW teams... but, when you're accountable with public monies it doesn't make sense.

Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
If you ask me that really isn't in keeping with the "Spirit of D3". I've felt that way for a long time and am glad they are finally admitting it themselves. Now before people assume I am wanting them in D2, I'm not. This scheduling issue seems to be a football only problem. Not sure why it's up to the rest of the schools in the region to solve it for them.

You're right, it is mostly a football issue.  It speaks for itself if you think about it... compare it to basketball and the comparative travel costs between the two.  I don't really feel it's in the spirit of D3 to have to shortchange your players one game per season because you can't find a D3 opponent willing to play you.  On the other hand, is it really in the spirit of things to schedule a lesser opponent and not give your kids a challenge to face a better team?

Either way, a second game between La Crosse and Eau Claire would mean less travel costs and more revenue as well as stiffer competition than say Knox could provide.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 21, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC...
You are being a little hard on the man... he does after all have to rely on a WIAC education.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: PC on October 21, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC...
You are being a little hard on the man... he does after all have to rely on a WIAC education.  :D

well played....
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
You're not making a very convincing sales pitch as to why everyone should feel sorry for the WIAC and want to help out. But to answer your question. No, the MWC doesn't get a Pool C bid but it's not their responsibility to ensure that the WIAC usually does.

I'm not here on a sales call...like I said before I just wanted to see where this board stands on scheduling WIAC teams. I think it's clear a few posters rather stay away from the WIAC....i understand that
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 21, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
In all reality there are only about 3(4???) teams in a given year in the MWC that have any business stepping on the field with the WIAC teams.  And as has been implied it might be better for the WIAC to only play 8-9 games than it would be to travel to Lawrence or Knox on the tax payer's expense for what would essentially be a JV game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2009, 03:06:52 PM
Posters don't make the schedules. It all comes down to what private schools think of public schools. We went round and round about that a month ago. I still think the WIAC was too hasty with the new policy because when the economy turns around money might not be an issue in 2011.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 03:16:09 PM
All sorts of interesting statements.
1. I have no idea if MWC does not want to play WIAC or not.
2. In my 3 years so far on this site, SNC has played an NAIA school, Wartburg Home and Home and then the next 2 years is scheduled with St. Thomas Home and Home.
3. I personally do not see any fear in that kind of scheduling. Last year Wartburg went deep into the playoffs and this year St. Tom is top 20 and came close to knocking off the Johnnies.
4. It appears that SNC has spread around over the years.
5. Having only 1 Non-Conference game a year limits possibilities and requires years to change.
6. I still have not heard the D3 schools outside of WIAC state their case. It could be they tried but WIAC said no. We just do not know.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 03:16:09 PM
All sorts of interesting statements.
1. I have no idea if MWC does not want to play WIAC or not.
2. In my 3 years so far on this site, SNC has played an NAIA school, Wartburg Home and Home and then the next 2 years is scheduled with St. Thomas Home and Home.
3. I personally do not see any fear in that kind of scheduling. Last year Wartburg went deep into the playoffs and this year St. Tom is top 20 and came close to knocking off the Johnnies.
4. It appears that SNC has spread around over the years.
5. Having only 1 Non-Conference game a year limits possibilities and requires years to change.
6. I still have not heard the D3 schools outside of WIAC state their case. It could be they tried but WIAC said no. We just do not know.



Back in 04 and 05 Whitewater had a two-year series with SNC. as well as lakeland from the NAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 03:40:49 PM
So it appears that SNC has played the WIAC. So I guess some MWC schools are scheduling with WIAC. I once again go back to the other side of the coin question. There seems to be a constant here. At least with the MWC schools. A number of us have scheduled with WIAC teams in the past including this year. It happens that we are not scheduled now with any. Where is Minnesota D3 schools? Or Iowa? Or Illinois. All of these could be just as close. The common denominator seems to be WIAC. Why isn't ANY of these other conferences or schools scheduling with the WIAC?

Hmmm. I wonder where the true problem lies?  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 03:40:49 PM
So it appears that SNC has played the WIAC. So I guess some MWC schools are scheduling with WIAC. I once again go back to the other side of the coin question. There seems to be a constant here. At least with the MWC schools. A number of us have scheduled with WIAC teams in the past including this year. It happens that we are not scheduled now with any. Where is Minnesota D3 schools? Or Iowa? Or Illinois. All of these could be just as close. The common denominator seems to be WIAC. Why isn't ANY of these other conferences or schools scheduling with the WIAC?

Hmmm. I wonder where the true problem lies?  ???

million dollar question....however st. johns has been doing its part by regularing scheduling WIAC schools.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2009, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 03:40:49 PM
The common denominator seems to be WIAC.

Wow. So your logic is that the WIAC is a common denominator when it comes to teams scheduling the WIAC? Brilliant!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 04:10:42 PM
Limburger Cheese Heads?! Brilliant!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on October 21, 2009, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 03:24:47 PM

Back in 04 and 05 Whitewater had a two-year series with SNC. as well as lakeland from the NAC.
I don't really blame the MWC for avoiding the WIAC schools.  And as you point out St. Norberts did their stint with UW-W a few years ago as well as Lakeland from the NAC.  It is those pesky upper tier CCIW schools that won't play WIAC schools, even before UW-W started their reign of terror in 05, that irk me.  Several schools are only a few hours away.  For a conference that is ranked 4th toughest by D-3 football.com, the argument about being over matched and not wanting to risk a loss doesn't hold as much water with me.  The lone exception is Augustana, who has played UW-Platteville 13 times and leads the series 9-4.  I believe the private vs. public argument is used, the all-time greatest, "dead horse kicking, " subject of post patterns, to justify it so I probably shouldn't have even brought it up.     ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 06:12:17 PM
Cruel boys. Real Cruel. I obviously was lacking in trying to describe my thoughts. I just thought that since he asked where we stand, that I would point out that the MWC was not the only place to run to for games. But others must not be interested either. Except Augie it appears.

My question is why?

Pat. You will pay someday.  :P   ;)

And Redmen09. who you calling Cheese Heads???    ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on October 21, 2009, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2009, 03:24:47 PM

Back in 04 and 05 Whitewater had a two-year series with SNC. as well as lakeland from the NAC.
I don't really blame the MWC for avoiding the WIAC schools.  And as you point out St. Norberts did their stint with UW-W a few years ago as well as Lakeland from the NAC.  It is those pesky upper tier CCIW schools that won't play WIAC schools, even before UW-W started their reign of terror in 05, that irk me.  Several schools are only a few hours away.  For a conference that is ranked 4th toughest by D-3 football.com, the argument about being over matched and not wanting to risk a loss doesn't hold as much water with me.  The lone exception is Augustana, who has played UW-Platteville 13 times and leads the series 9-4.  I believe the private vs. public argument is used, the all-time greatest, "dead horse kicking, " subject of post patterns, to justify it so I probably shouldn't have even brought it up.     ;) :D ;D

I posted the same question to CCIW's board and received no response....this was the only board that I got a response from about it, thanks for your imput  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 07:29:46 PM
Warhawk, I do like the conversation on this. Stick around!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
Guiness commercials.  Brilliant!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 21, 2009, 11:08:19 PM
Remember that the MWC has only one non-conference game to begin with whereas most of the other conferences in the area have 2-3 games to toy around with. Someone mentioned earlier there are only three teams (MC, RC, SNC) in the MWC that even have a chance at competing with the WIAC. SNC and RC have in recent years and Monmouth still has much further to travel that most of the MAC, CCIW, or even IIAC schools.

I think the MWC has been doing there part.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
40 degrees and rain all day in de pere for saturday is making me re-think/consider the tailgating plans.   the weather i would think will change the game plans also for both teams come saturday
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2009, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2009, 06:12:17 PM

Pat. You will pay someday.  :P   ;)


SNCOLDAD - Be prepared for your Karma to mysteriously decrease by 15-25% in the next two days.  Remember, this is "Pat's World, Pat's World, Party Time, Excellent!"   ;D  JUST KIDDING, PAT!! (obligatory disclaimer)

Regarding today's lively conversation: Hopefully, the Scots and Whitewater can have a go at it this year - preferably in Round III.  If they can get by LF, IC and KNOX, of course.  (obligatory MWC group hug to get The Roop's goat)   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2009, 09:02:32 AM
Well, I did have a tough time sleeping last night. Images of camp stoves, lanterns and other camping equipment running through my head. It couldn't have been Pat?!?!   :o

redmen, tailgating MUST go on in De Pere! No excuses. Of course my wife thinks I am crazy.  8)

scottie, I like your thinking but I was contemplating MC and SNC meeting in the 3rd round.    ::)

Well the after game hug with my son may have to wait until after the shower and peel off the uniform. With the prediction of rain the field will probably be more than a little messy. This has the makings of a good old fashioned MUD BATH.  :D

It will be a cold one, that is for sure.



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2009, 10:03:35 AM
Too bad I can't smite myself, since everyone else seems to enjoy doing it.   ;)  :'(  :'(  :'(   ;D

SNCOLDAD - My mistake:  I was thinking that the NCAA would have to split up MC and SNC into different brackets, thereby creating a final four or, day I say, an Alonzo Stagg Bowl match-up.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2009, 10:32:14 AM
Don't blame me for the smite. And we all know there is no way that would happen since they are geographically close to one another. No matter how good a Stagg Bowl match up, they will make sure we play earlier to save money.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on October 22, 2009, 10:43:21 AM
Did anyone else have the dream i did where that match up with Lycoming was considered out of region...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 22, 2009, 12:18:23 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2009, 09:02:32 AM

Well the after game hug with my son may have to wait until after the shower and peel off the uniform. With the prediction of rain the field will probably be more than a little messy. This has the makings of a good old fashioned NUB BATH.  :D

It will be a cold one, that is for sure.


Question for you... In order to make a quality prediction on the outcome, what is the turf condition at this time of year at Minahan Stadium? Field conditions could keep this one at a spread of 11-14 points?  ;D

Kicking game and defense will be key factors in my opinion. Your thoughts?

If the clouds break at anytime on Saturday morning simply call in the National Guard helli's to do an extended flyover to aid in drying out the field. Remember back in the 70's that MC arranged for a copter to hover over the wet areas several hours before a game...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2009, 02:53:59 PM
SNC's field is surprisingly good. I don't think anyone else uses the facility and they do not practice there. That means the turf gets used very little and has time to recover. The drainage is good also all things considered. Remember this place was built in 1938. And of interest they are saying that this very well could be the 2nd to last game played there.  ;)

You actually might be pretty close with the 11-14 point spread. That is if the redmen don't lose the ball too many times they should be able to stay that close probably.   ;D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 22, 2009, 03:00:09 PM
Surprisingly good = well fertilized
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 22, 2009, 05:01:06 PM
 ??? Rankings didn't get reflected to this weeks October 24th schedule. :o

Wilmington @ No. 1 Mount Union       
UW-River Falls @  No. 2 UW-Whitewater       
Southern Oregon  @ No. 3 8 Mary Hardin-Baylor       
No. 4 3 Wheaton (Ill.)  @ No. [s]14 [/s] 13 North Central (Ill.)       
Webber Int'l  @ No. [s]5[/s] 4 Wesley       
St. Olaf  @ No. 6 5 St. John's       
No. 7 6 Linfield  @ No. 17 Willamette       
No. 8 7 Central @  Loras       
No. 9 11 Washington and Jefferson @ Westminster (Pa.)       
No. 10 18 Wabash  @ Wooster       
No. 11 9 Monmouth @  Lake Forest       
Hiram  @ No. 12 Case Western Reserve       
No. 16 14 Capital  @ No. 13 10 Otterbein       
No. 15 16 St. Thomas @  Carleton       
La Verne @  No. 18  19 Occidental

You get the picture...   
(Need update!!!)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 22, 2009, 05:06:25 PM
Especially this time of year. The aerial fertilizes assures that there is no ruts or tread marks on the field of battle.  ::)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2009, 11:55:14 PM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on October 22, 2009, 05:01:06 PM
??? Rankings didn't get reflected to this weeks October 24th schedule. :o

Wilmington @ No. 1 Mount Union      
UW-River Falls @  No. 2 UW-Whitewater      
Southern Oregon  @ No. 3 8 Mary Hardin-Baylor      
No. 4 3 Wheaton (Ill.)  @ No. [s]14 [/s] 13 North Central (Ill.)      
Webber Int'l  @ No. [s]5[/s] 4 Wesley      
St. Olaf  @ No. 6 5 St. John's      
No. 7 6 Linfield  @ No. 17 Willamette      
No. 8 7 Central @  Loras      
No. 9 11 Washington and Jefferson @ Westminster (Pa.)      
No. 10 18 Wabash  @ Wooster      
No. 11 9 Monmouth @  Lake Forest      
Hiram  @ No. 12 Case Western Reserve      
No. 16 14 Capital  @ No. 13 10 Otterbein      
No. 15 16 St. Thomas @  Carleton      
La Verne @  No. 18  19 Occidental

You get the picture...  
(Need update!!!)

Usually I don't get to this until Thursday night or Friday. Got a lot going on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2009, 11:51:51 AM
Awful Quiet out here.  ???

So quiet you can hear the fertilizer hit the ground at Minahan Stadium.  ::)   :P

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2009, 11:59:00 AM
Next weeks weather looks reasonable for Spatula Bowl II, so there's a good chance I'll make it. Is it a good idea to wear Beloit colors at Minahan.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2009, 12:24:09 PM
Roop, I have never heard or witnessed any problems with opposing fans at Minahan. In fact I usually try to talk to a couple at halftime if I can.

Of course you might be embarrassed. (at least I hope you are)   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 23, 2009, 02:44:12 PM
Picks for Week 7:

Carroll @ Knox - CU
Grinnell @ Illinois C. - IC
Lawrence @ Beloit - BC
Monmouth @ Lake Forest - MC
Ripon @ St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  No let-down over the next 3 games!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2009, 09:49:18 AM
Made the drive last night in a mist / drizzle the whole way.  :(

Getting out of Illinois was not fun and took at least 30 minutes longer than normal.   :P

Now for the news. In De Pere yesterday they received an inch of rain. Temp this morning is upper 30's with 42-43 at game time the prediction. A slight chance of a drizzle around 9:00 but other than that, they are saying no more rain. We will see.

Tailgating will be typical late season in the north. Love it.

puckfan, you going to the game? Anyone else attending?  And Coach, I know you will be there.  :D

And one more thing.......

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 24, 2009, 03:06:05 PM
MC up 21-0 near the end of the 1st quarter.

The Scots have been forced to punt. :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2009, 03:25:05 PM
SNC24 Ripon 7. Half
Any Grinnell score?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 24, 2009, 03:44:09 PM
It was 27-13 IC over Grinnell at halftime.

The second half is getting under way now in that one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 24, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
35-0 Monmouth at half in Lake Forest, IL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2009, 04:06:31 PM
End of 3rd
SNC 31 Ripon 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 24, 2009, 04:52:52 PM
Couldn't make it in person today - watching the kiddies at home and the game online.

Final.
Ripon 28
St. Norbert 41
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on October 24, 2009, 05:40:32 PM
Word is that the report out of Ripon is that SNC is on the way down.  Hmmm.    Provocative.

"You guys want some cookies?" - Corky Romano

BTW, saw some bouldozers today on Lost Dauphin, south of Mel Nicks.  Could it be the start of the new castle?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2009, 06:50:49 PM
I wonder where that puts Ripon???  Ground breaking? Excellent!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2009, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 19, 2009, 12:29:39 PM
A little "I know it's only Monday" conversation.....

Some intriguing out-of-MWC match-ups this weekend with implications to the rankings:

#3 Wheaton @ #13 North Central
#6 Linfield @ #17 Willamette

Assuming the #9 Good Guys can escape LF with a hard-fought W (a "group hug" reference for The Roop  :D)  there might be some interesting shuffling in the rankings if either/both "underdogs" win.   Would the favorites AND underdog stay/move ahead of the Scots?

#13 beats #3, and #6 beats #17 today.   Hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2009, 09:14:42 PM
I'm scoreboard watching too scottie and SNCs Pool C chances aren't being improved. ETBU was leading Mississippi College for a while but MC is beginning to pull away. 19-7 starting the 4th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 24, 2009, 10:35:51 PM
Ripon's D forgot to show up today, they seemed lost all afternoon.  It didnt seem like the Ripon D that has been keeping the offense in games this year.  And for the second week in a row 2 1st half fumbles turn into 14 points.  you just cant do that against a good team and expect to win.  Two losses in a row have leave a bad taste in the mouth.  Tailgated before the game in a sea of green and was looking to catch crap for my ripon gear, but had a good time overall. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 24, 2009, 11:13:15 PM
Finals

Lawrence 14
Beloit 44

Carroll 28
Knox 7

Grinnell 34
Illinois College 55

Lake Forest 14
Monmouth 51
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2009, 11:16:48 PM
Maybe Ripon simply lost to the better team. Ever think of that ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bombsovertrees on October 25, 2009, 08:02:32 AM
Caught two games on the MWCTV---

Ripon- SNC shows that SNC was the better team yesterday, because they didn't make mistakes-- yesterday. Game was really over at the half 24-7 (then SNC scored early in the 3rd to go up 31-7)
Ripon has had two games in a row, big ones, where they started slow. Most option teams start strong, so that is suprising, because it takes the defense time to catch up to the speed of the offensive mesh.


Only watched the second half of the Forester-Fighting Scot game. Based on that, I thought it was a close game... then I saw what happened in the first half. Monmouth had starters in the whole game on offense, which was a surprising note. Announcers mentioned that one of the Scot's players had to go to the hospital, hope he is alright.

Alex Tanney is THAT good-- as if there was any question. But the really impressive player was Bricker- their running back. There are few backs in D3 that run with the conviction and power that he showed yesterday. He made a lot of those yards on his own. The offensive line for Monmouth didn't play like their accolades suggest they should. I question some of those "all-americans."

CONGRATULATIONS TO BELOIT AS THEY SECURED THEIR FIRST WINNING CONFERENCE SEASON IN WHO KNOWS HOW LONG... great job by their coaches to stick with it, and get that program back to respectability. Also-- should we be mentioning Julian Ross as one of the top WR in the conference now?
O

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 25, 2009, 11:13:04 AM
Ripon did loose to a better team yesterday, and last week.  But they also had too many mistakes on both sides of the ball that made it nearly impossible to win though, the only point i wanted to make.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2009, 03:03:12 PM
I intended no ill will in my last post, rather it's not necessary to apologize or make excuses when losing to SNC or MC. I thought Ripon had a good chance at this one but SNC obviously made a statement. Hopefully that means the knights look past the bucs this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2009, 04:27:03 PM
The final score was not indicative of the game. SNC had too many mistakes on both sides of the ball to have the score truly reflect the game.  ::)

Couldn't resist.

Also, Ripon Fans. It was nice having you visit and tailgate with us up front. A good time was had by all.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 25, 2009, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: bombsovertrees on October 25, 2009, 08:02:32 AM
Caught two games on the MWCTV---

Ripon- SNC shows that SNC was the better team yesterday, because they didn't make mistakes-- yesterday. Game was really over at the half 24-7 (then SNC scored early in the 3rd to go up 31-7)
Ripon has had two games in a row, big ones, where they started slow. Most option teams start strong, so that is suprising, because it takes the defense time to catch up to the speed of the offensive mesh.


Only watched the second half of the Forester-Fighting Scot game. Based on that, I thought it was a close game... then I saw what happened in the first half. Monmouth had starters in the whole game on offense, which was a surprising note. Announcers mentioned that one of the Scot's players had to go to the hospital, hope he is alright.

Alex Tanney is THAT good-- as if there was any question. But the really impressive player was Bricker- their running back. There are few backs in D3 that run with the conviction and power that he showed yesterday. He made a lot of those yards on his own. The offensive line for Monmouth didn't play like their accolades suggest they should. I question some of those "all-americans."



I would agree with the your comments on the MC-LFC game.  Bricker played one of his better games.   O-line didn't have as good of a game as they did against SNC or other games where their rushing yds were gained with less work from the backs.  But, in general I thought Monmouth didn't look as explosive.  They looked a little bored after they scored so easy so fast the first two touchdowns.

Also saw a little of the Ripon-SNC game.  The option offense looked outdated and I'll tell you why.  They did have alot of rushing yds again and scored 28 pts, but you cannot play from behind with that offense.  It puts alot of pressure on the defense to not give up pts in the first half.  I mean if you're down say 14 half way through the third quarter, you gotta score everytime you touch the ball there on out, because your drives kill so much time that you will only touch the ball maybe that many times.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2009, 10:41:48 PM
Mt. Monmouth dropped a spot as a 1 loss CCIW "darling of the pollsters" won a game they were supposed to.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 25, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
About what I expected.  Let's go over the checklist, shall we:

- 613 yards of offense.  (Second most in MC history.)  CHECK

- 6 touchdown passes from Tanney.  (Ties his career high.)  CHECK

- 404 passing yards.  CHECK

- Put up 50+, again (second most among Top 25 this week?).  CHECK

- Give LF a last minute, meaningless touchdown (as Good Guys are sometimes want to do).  CHECK

- Get the leapfrog treatment of two teams by the voters.  D'OH!

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2009, 11:01:40 PM
Beat Mt. Union 86-3 in Salem and the MWC will still get disrespected.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 25, 2009, 11:08:12 PM
Mt. Monmouth is doing it their way, don't worry 'bout no stinkin poll.
Just get it done and the rest will fall.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
I was just worried about scottie becoming upset.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2009, 11:20:27 PM
I think beating a non-NATHC team in the playoffs is a good goal for Monmouth this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 25, 2009, 10:41:48 PM
Mt. Monmouth dropped a spot as a 1 loss CCIW "darling of the pollsters" won a game they were supposed to.



Oh.  #13 was 'supposed to' beat #3?

And you didn't think #10 beating #14 might give them a boost over #9 beating #[insert your choice of triple digits here]?

I'm a fan of Monmouth's run, but your paranoia is getting to me.  I would take either NCC or Ott over Monmouth, spotting up to 10 points (and that is NOT intended as a slur on Monmouth).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 12:04:36 AM
I think people are expecting this poll to work like the division I football poll with all the undefeated teams at the top, but it's just a totally different animal.

I knew we would probably get jumped by the winner of the Ottebein-Capital game and by NCC if they won.  We were jumped by quality teams, I understood.  I know we are topped out in the poll at around 7-12 until we do something in the playoffs.  I do care very much however where we are at in the regional rankings coming soon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 26, 2009, 12:07:23 AM
I think the poll was very fair this week. Although seeing how many points NCC gave up versus Carthage, it would be interesting to see what Monmouth could do. I really hope the Scots see a CCIW opponent in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 12:17:32 AM
I really hope Mt. Union gets moved East and Whitewater gets moved North.  Right now the West has 4 of the top 6.   Monmouth is 10th in the nation right now but only 5th in their region most likely when the regional rankings come out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2009, 09:18:29 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 25, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
I was just worried about scottie becoming upset.

Scottie didn't lose any sleep last night.  It's all good. 

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2009, 11:20:27 PM
I think beating a non-NATHC team in the playoffs is a good goal for Monmouth this year.

one...two...three...four...five...six...seven...eight...nine...ten.  Okay, no need to respond further to that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: NCC.2008 on October 26, 2009, 11:23:38 AM
Quote from: tm343407 on October 26, 2009, 12:07:23 AM
I think the poll was very fair this week. Although seeing how many points NCC gave up versus Carthage, it would be interesting to see what Monmouth could do. I really hope the Scots see a CCIW opponent in the playoffs.

If you want to see them so bad, then why don't you guys schedule them for a pre-season game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
Pre-season game?   ???

As mentioned earlier, Monmouth and IWU are contracted for two upcoming years as a non-conference opponent.  At the moment, IWU is atop the CCIW with NCC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on October 26, 2009, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 26, 2009, 11:49:18 AM
Pre-season game?   ???

As mentioned earlier, Monmouth and IWU are contracted for two upcoming years as a non-conference opponent.  At the moment, IWU is atop the CCIW with NCC.

NCC is 4-0 in the CCIW and IWU is 3-1 after this weekend's play.  IWU's only conference loss is to Milikin (19-13 on Oct. 10), which NCC beat 58-0 on Oct. 3.

As a CCIW fan, I, for one, would love to see North Central, Illinois Wesleyan, Wheaton, or Augustana play against Monmouth, but it would be a lot of fun for the fans to see Carthage (#2 Passing Offense in the country) play Monmouth (#11).  I'd take the over...

Do you think that Monmouth will be in the North Region where the CCIW team(s) will get slotted?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 01:22:33 PM
There is no way I can see Monmouth moving to the North region.

Although there was also no way I saw Aurora moving to the West region last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on October 26, 2009, 01:48:31 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 01:22:33 PM
There is no way I can see Monmouth moving to the North region.

Although there was also no way I saw Aurora moving to the West region last year.

Good point.  I was a bit surprised when the NCAA sent Aurora to the West Region, especially since they could have played North Central, which is only 10 miles east of the Aurora campus.  This would have been a less expensive alternative for the NCAA.

I hope that Monmouth is in the North Region as they would be able to test themselves against other quality Midwest programs.  The playoffs are a lot of fun, and are more meaningful if you are playing more "natural rivals". 

Has Monmouth ever/recently played Augustana?  I know that MC is only 45 miles +/- from the Quad Cities.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 26, 2009, 02:07:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2009, 11:42:11 PM
Oh.  #13 was 'supposed to' beat #3?

Yes, they were the pre-season favorites to win their conference and losing to Ohio Northern didn't change that. Move them up by all means but 8 spots is a little much in my opinion. It's not like I'm arguing for first place votes for Monmouth.

Can't even begin to imagine what the bracket will be like this year. OAC, CCIW and the ASC should all get two in. Beyond that who knows. Should be some very interesting out of region moves though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 26, 2009, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on October 26, 2009, 01:48:31 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 01:22:33 PM
There is no way I can see Monmouth moving to the North region.

Although there was also no way I saw Aurora moving to the West region last year.

Good point.  I was a bit surprised when the NCAA sent Aurora to the West Region, especially since they could have played North Central, which is only 10 miles east of the Aurora campus.  This would have been a less expensive alternative for the NCAA.

I hope that Monmouth is in the North Region as they would be able to test themselves against other quality Midwest programs.  The playoffs are a lot of fun, and are more meaningful if you are playing more "natural rivals". 

Has Monmouth ever/recently played Augustana?  I know that MC is only 45 miles +/- from the Quad Cities.

Historically in matchups against the two schools, MC has many more wins, but if the record hounds go looking, its been a long time since the two schools have met. I think the level of play at Augie over the years has been top notch and playing MC wouldn't benefit either school. (Augie would have taken us to the wood shed.) We won't hide from anyone now. To see both schools hook up would be great. Were several years away from that happening... IWU is in the wings as noted for the next two years.

We're limited with the number of conference schools to do anything like the CCIW, IIAC and others who benefit with warm-up games before entering conference play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2009, 02:20:53 PM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on October 26, 2009, 01:48:31 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 01:22:33 PM
There is no way I can see Monmouth moving to the North region.

Although there was also no way I saw Aurora moving to the West region last year.

Good point.  I was a bit surprised when the NCAA sent Aurora to the West Region, especially since they could have played North Central, which is only 10 miles east of the Aurora campus.  This would have been a less expensive alternative for the NCAA.

I hope that Monmouth is in the North Region as they would be able to test themselves against other quality Midwest programs.  The playoffs are a lot of fun, and are more meaningful if you are playing more "natural rivals". 

Has Monmouth ever/recently played Augustana?  I know that MC is only 45 miles +/- from the Quad Cities.

To answer your MC/Augie question...yes they have played, but no there have not been any recent match-ups.  Monmouth leads the series 19-15-8, with the most recent game being 1953.  The 2 have played some JV games in the past few seasons, but those obviously don't count towards much.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 26, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
MC will be behind UWW and St. Johns in the West rankings. Looking at the schedule, I would bet on MC hosting Coe in the first round.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 26, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
Thanks Mav for the numbers! I thought it was more like MC having a 19-7-8 but my memory of looking at the Augie facts excaped me. I was working at Augie and had colleagues who wondered the same question...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 26, 2009, 02:54:35 PM
It is hard to move up in the poll when you play in the MWC. MC will go into the playoffs with 1 semi-quality win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on October 26, 2009, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 26, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
MC will be behind UWW and St. Johns in the West rankings. Looking at the schedule, I would bet on MC hosting Coe in the first round.



Dont forget Central and Linfield there my friend. Monmouth wont be the 3 seed in the West.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 10:21:16 PM
Don't forget Central has arguably their two toughest games of the year left, and if they're are already assuming 10-0 they are gonna get beat.

Big game for Whitewater this week at Stevens Point too, both are 4-0 in the WIAC.

St. Johns will be favored in their last two games, but in that conf. everyone plays everyone close for the most part.

Not to mention the possibility of Whitewater moving to the North region.

I agree Monmouth is the 5 seed in the West right now, but so many things have to fall into place for them to stay there.  If I had to money down, I'd say they are higher than 5 on November 15th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on October 26, 2009, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 26, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
MC will be behind UWW and St. Johns in the West rankings. Looking at the schedule, I would bet on MC hosting Coe in the first round.


JohnnieEsquire puts it all on paper for everyone to see.... check your bets on the west regional rankings now at www.JohnnieFootball.com

Developing....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on October 26, 2009, 10:48:51 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 26, 2009, 10:21:16 PM
Don't forget Central has arguably their two toughest games of the year left, and if they're are already assuming 10-0 they are gonna get beat.

Big game for Whitewater this week at Stevens Point too, both are 4-0 in the WIAC.

St. Johns will be favored in their last two games, but in that conf. everyone plays everyone close for the most part.

Not to mention the possibility of Whitewater moving to the North region.

I agree Monmouth is the 5 seed in the West right now, but so many things have to fall into place for them to stay there.  If I had to money down, I'd say they are higher than 5 on November 15th.

We already own a dominating win over the #2 IIAC team 24-6. Check the stats if you are interested in my dominating reference. On top of beating the defending WIAC co-champs. Wartburg is not what they were expected to be when SNC beat them to start the year.

I wouldnt worry about Central assuming 10-0, the team is focused on the revenge tour right now. The way they are playing I dont see them losing the next two games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 26, 2009, 11:24:39 PM
Now let's get a real here. We all know that Wartburg is a great team that would have gone deep into the NCAA except for the fact that they hit SNC. That demolished them!!!   They would have been absolutely the best team around except they folded after seeing what a real team like SNC could do to them.  ;D


Buying it???

OK. I really would like to see SNC get a bid but I am a realist. Wartburg folding this year, and I think we all know that is not their normal, reduced SNC's chances of a bid. It really is a shame because the SNC offense could have tested a lot of defenses out there. The O-Line is very solid (yes I am prejudice) and there is a lot to cover in many directions. The defense has improved a lot and the Carroll game brought a new confidence to them.

With all that, the Johnnies have to be in as well as St. Thomas. Wheaton suffered a loss but have to be in. There are a lot of good, not great teams out there this year. You take a number of match-ups and you can have a blowout as well as a very close game. All of these teams could show up strong as well as be weak on a given day. I hope I explained that OK. Probably not.

Does the Way West have more than 1 or 2 teams that should be there? Good Question. Hard to tell.

We all want our teams to be in the playoffs. Do I want my team in there. Hell Yeah! Should they be. Absolutely. I know how good they can play. I've seen it. I have also seen when they have played bad. And believe me they played bad against Monmouth. Not saying we would have won if they played better. I am not that far gone. But Monmouth does not play on top of their game all the time either. Neither does Whitewater or other top teams.

What I am saying is that if they want a team in the NCAA that: 1. Can compete, YES 2. Can win? Always possible for any team in the NCAA I would think. 3. Have a Great following? Not the Johnnies but it is strong and getting stronger. Not the same as 2 years ago. We are talking following. And finally, could surprise? Oh Yeah. When you have an O-Line and a QB and a few others thrown in for good measure, you just never know. And then you take the possibility of a defense that is clicking big at the end of the season, well, the NCAA could do a lot worse.

OK. Have I campaigned enough?  More tomorrow. There are a lot of deserving teams out there. I have to be a cheerleader for mine. If you are not for yours, shame on you.

Good Night All.

Oh, and one more thing......



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on October 27, 2009, 12:00:43 AM
Yea Wartburg tanking definitely hurt you guys chances. I just dont see the MWC getting 2 teams in until they prove they can go deep in the playoffs and compete with the big dogs. Can Monmouth do it this year? That is yet to be seen, they will most likely get 1 home game against a pretty solid team. There isnt a slouch in the West that will be in the playoffs. Of course, if they slip up in the remaining schedule they will have to travel to SJU/Central (given that those two win out).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 27, 2009, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 26, 2009, 11:24:39 PM

We all want our teams to be in the playoffs. Do I want my team in there. Hell Yeah! Should they be. Absolutely. I know how good they can play. I've seen it. I have also seen when they have played bad. And believe me they played bad against Monmouth. Not saying we would have won if they played better.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS


It's the biggest game of the year, there is no excuse to not be at your best.  I'm sure that was the worst you've seen them look, but it's because the Scots made them look that way.

On the other hand though, I too am bias for this conference and am really rooting for SNC to get in.  What we need to root for is: Coe to lose one more[personally I'm rooting for B Vista to win out], Stevens Point to lose to uww, st. thomas lose to bethel.  Then there's the whole west coast situation, which you have to just root for whatever situation gets only Linfield and Oxy in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 09:51:27 AM
I think a Coe or St. Thomas loss should be enough to get SNC in. Provided everything else goes according to plan. The NCAA will never take three from the west coast so we don't need to worry about that but we can't have anymore surprise Pool Cs.

They would probably be the last, or next to last, team in the field and get Whitewater in the first round but you've gotta start somewhere.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 27, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
Good call DutchHawk,

I did forget Linfield, but not Central, but wouldn't be shocked if the coaches put Monmouth ahead of one or both. Both are better better teams historically and probably this season, but I have a feeling that Monmouth's high ranking and dominant scores this season will cause the NCAA pollsters to push them a little higher than they actually belong.  I think the IIAC's public perception has dropped a bit the past few years as well and that the pollsters may go into it thinking that MC can beat the IIAC champ and thus rank them ahead.

In the end, I still think Coe goes to MC unless they slip up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 11:36:15 AM
Here's a possible bracket to study on

St. Norbert
@UW-Whitewater

Occidental
@Linfield

Coe or St. Thomas
@Monmouth

CCIW #2
@St. Johns
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on October 27, 2009, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 11:36:15 AM
Here's a possible bracket to study on

St. Norbert
@UW-Whitewater

Occidental
@Linfield

Coe or St. Thomas
@Monmouth

CCIW #2
@St. Johns

Central?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 12:41:49 PM
Have no fear. I have not forgotten about Central. I have them hosting Mississippi College in the first round of the North Region. The victor moving on to face the NathCon-CCIW #1 winner.

Unless things have changed the mascot police won't allow Mississippi College to host a game and the NCAA probably doesn't rematch them with Mary Hardin-Baylor in the first round as they are in the same conference. So somebody has to get moved. Central is a good fit in the north as Mt. Union probably heads to the east again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 27, 2009, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 12:41:49 PM
Have no fear. I have not forgotten about Central. I have them hosting Mississippi College in the first round of the North Region. The victor moving on to face the NathCon-CCIW #1 winner.

Unless things have changed the mascot police won't allow Mississippi College to host a game and the NCAA probably doesn't rematch them with Mary Hardin-Baylor in the first round as they are in the same conference. So somebody has to get moved. Central is a good fit in the north as Mt. Union probably heads to the east again.

Interesting, but doubtful.  I think Central a little too far away to be moved North.  If anyone I think it's UWW.  To be honest I think Monmouth has a better chance of moving North than Central.

Fightintitan: I would be shocked if undefeated Central was ranked below Monmouth.  Their schedule is far better and I'm not sure what you're talking about with NCAA pollsters, every poll out there right now has Central ahead of Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on October 27, 2009, 01:13:51 PM
 I know how about a wartburg upset of central the last game of the year at wartburg . THE polls are great but anyone who has seen a monmouth game knows this team will go as far as their  defense   takes them. if and when monmouth does bow out of the tournament it will be a high scoring affair.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 01:20:39 PM
Whitewater won't get moved as they are the NCAAs "hired gun" to take out the winner of the west coast game. It takes a minimum of 2 flights to complete the west region and Whitewater will make sure that there won't be 3. If you doubt me then look at last years bracket.

Monmouth could be moved to the north but I am waiting for a reason as to why that would happen. I think it is more likely that we will have Mississippi College at Mt. Union in the first round of the east than it is for Monmouth to get moved.

Rankings are meaningless as economics determines the bracket. Fly team X in the hope that they lose in the early rounds, etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2009, 01:46:00 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 12:41:49 PM
Unless things have changed the mascot police won't allow Mississippi College to host a game

Mississippi College has the blessing of Choctaw nation for its mascot and the NCAA signed off on that some years ago.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 01:50:51 PM
Finally some common sense over rules the PC movement. I'd sign off on Ripon being the Redmen again but that's too generic. If they want to be the Chippewas I'll call the tribal office with my vote of approval.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 27, 2009, 06:28:41 PM
Wait just a minute. If Illinois cannot have the Chief back, then I want the little twerp representing "The Fighting Irish" banned also.   >:(

GO ORANGE KNIGHTS


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on October 27, 2009, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 27, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
Good call DutchHawk,

I did forget Linfield, but not Central, but wouldn't be shocked if the coaches put Monmouth ahead of one or both. Both are better better teams historically and probably this season, but I have a feeling that Monmouth's high ranking and dominant scores this season will cause the NCAA pollsters to push them a little higher than they actually belong.  I think the IIAC's public perception has dropped a bit the past few years as well and that the pollsters may go into it thinking that MC can beat the IIAC champ and thus rank them ahead.

In the end, I still think Coe goes to MC unless they slip up.

With all due respect I think thats flawed thinking. The IIAC has been in the regional final the last 2 years, Central has been just as dominant and beaten better competition than Monmouth (UWSP, defending WIAC champ, toughest conference in the nation per d3football.com). Fair or not, past playoff success will come into play and the MWC just doesnt have any to speak of. Central is 5 in the AFCA poll, behind MUC, UWW, Wesley, and SJU.

Not to piss any of you guys off, but you cant deny those facts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 07:27:11 PM
I don't think the NCAA will leave 5 of the top 10 in the same region. Somebody has to move so that's why I'm looking for Central to be in the north.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 27, 2009, 09:23:08 PM
Reading Clyde's Around the Midwest article for this week seems that Monmouth might get moved to the North region playoff bracket.  He wrote, "If Monmouth finishes undefeated, it would be difficult to deny the Scots a home playoff game while a loss could very well put Monmouth on the road, possibly against a CCIW or Ohio Athletic Conference opponent.
  That would be interesting to see how that would shake down.  What does everyone think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 10:02:51 PM
According to the podcast there are 5 potential #1 seeds in the west, so one and possibly two teams may get moved. Whitewater won't get moved as they are the obvious #1. Neither will Linfield for geographic reasons. And as strange as it might sound, St. Johns is too far north to be in the north. So Central and Monmouth are the candidates to go out of region.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on October 27, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
So the possibility is that Monmouth could be a number one seed in the North Region?  That is if Mount Union gets moved to the East.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 10:13:08 PM
No, they wouldn't be a #1 in the north if they got moved. Rather there are likely to be 5 undefeated west region teams and they all can't stay in region for the play offs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2009, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 10:02:51 PM
According to the podcast there are 5 potential #1 seeds in the west, so one and possibly two teams may get moved. Whitewater won't get moved as they are the obvious #1. Neither will Linfield for geographic reasons. And as strange as it might sound, St. Johns is too far north to be in the north. So Central and Monmouth are the candidates to go out of region.

You seem to be almost the only one left who doesn't think UWW to the 'North' is a foregone conclusion! :D

For the last three years, the NCAA seems to have abandoned 'regions' per se and gone with four #1 seeds, then build brackets around them.  Once Wheaton lost, the 'North' no longer had a clear #1 (and the 'East' never had one).  Barring major upsets, I'd say the brackets are MUC ('East'), UWW ('North'), Wesley (South) and SJU/Linfield/Central a toss-up for the 'West'.

I'll predict that Monmouth will also end up in the 'North'.  Making room for them will be Case Western helping bolster the overly weak 'East'.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 10:26:25 PM
If Whitewater goes in as a Pool A, as they should, I can't see them getting moved. The only way that changes is if the west coast teams get put in the north and that winner goes to Whitewater in the second round. Which WILL happen regardless of region.

Embrace the conspiracy  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on October 27, 2009, 10:50:13 PM
What are the chances Monmouth and Central both get moved to the North? With Central getting the number 1 seed and Monmouth getting the 2nd?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 10:54:16 PM
17%
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2009, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: mc31 on October 27, 2009, 10:50:13 PM
What are the chances Monmouth and Central both get moved to the North? With Central getting the number 1 seed and Monmouth getting the 2nd?

Both to the North?  3%

Getting the top two seeds?  -18% :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
Chances of DIII getting the shaft from the NCAA again. 100%
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2009, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
Chances of DIII getting the shaft from the NCAA again. 100%

True, but if you are not from California or Texas, the 'shaft' claim is less persuasive. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on October 27, 2009, 11:13:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2009, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 10:02:51 PM
According to the podcast there are 5 potential #1 seeds in the west, so one and possibly two teams may get moved. Whitewater won't get moved as they are the obvious #1. Neither will Linfield for geographic reasons. And as strange as it might sound, St. Johns is too far north to be in the north. So Central and Monmouth are the candidates to go out of region.

You seem to be almost the only one left who doesn't think UWW to the 'North' is a foregone conclusion! :D

For the last three years, the NCAA seems to have abandoned 'regions' per se and gone with four #1 seeds, then build brackets around them.  Once Wheaton lost, the 'North' no longer had a clear #1 (and the 'East' never had one).  Barring major upsets, I'd say the brackets are MUC ('East'), UWW ('North'), Wesley (South) and SJU/Linfield/Central a toss-up for the 'West'.

I'll predict that Monmouth will also end up in the 'North'.  Making room for them will be Case Western helping bolster the overly weak 'East'.

Right on in my opinion. You have 4 possible 1 seeds from the "West", UWW, Central, SJU, and Linfield. UWW is the obvious move North - they have done it before, Central would be the other if they really wanted to due to their proximity but I dont see it happening.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2009, 11:13:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2009, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
Chances of DIII getting the shaft from the NCAA again. 100%

True, but if you are not from California or Texas, the 'shaft' claim is less persuasive. ;)
+1!  Thanks for the support!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 12:00:50 AM
You underestimate the "dark side" of the NCAA Mr. Ypsi.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2009, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Jester76 on October 27, 2009, 09:23:08 PM
Reading Clyde's Around the Midwest article for this week seems that Monmouth might get moved to the North region playoff bracket.  He wrote, "If Monmouth finishes undefeated, it would be difficult to deny the Scots a home playoff game while a loss could very well put Monmouth on the road, possibly against a CCIW or Ohio Athletic Conference opponent.
  That would be interesting to see how that would shake down.  What does everyone think?

"The No. 10-ranked Fightin' Scots (8-0 overall, 7-0 in regular season) will face a Blue Boys team that won't be pushovers."

Still wondering where Clyde is doing his research regarding Monmouth's team name.  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Still lots of games to be played 'fightin scottie' so for now it's all good natured speculation. On one hand Mt. Monmouth is a good fit geographically in the north, but on the other hand I see no reason to move a team if they would only be a 3 or 4.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 28, 2009, 02:49:00 PM
DutchHawk,

I agree with you completely and don't believe Monmouth deserves to be above Central and Linfield, but call it a gut feeling that they will be above one or both.

When are the first Regional rankings due to be released?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on October 28, 2009, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 28, 2009, 02:49:00 PM
DutchHawk,

I agree with you completely and don't believe Monmouth deserves to be above Central and Linfield, but call it a gut feeling that they will be above one or both.

When are the first Regional rankings due to be released?

This afternoon I believe.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 28, 2009, 03:02:33 PM
Dutch hawk, I think it would be more likely that Central move to the North out of them or UWW. UWW would be a higher head to head seed and so stay in the easier bracket. Central would go North with the Saints. (John and Tom if Tom makes it) I also think that if Central plays a very strong game against Wartburg, they will get a higher seed than Monmouth if they are in the same region. No comment on Linfield. How do you know how good the west coast teams are if the only team they face here is UWW.  ???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 28, 2009, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Still lots of games to be played 'fightin scottie' so for now it's all good natured speculation. On one hand Mt. Monmouth is a good fit geographically in the north, but on the other hand I see no reason to move a team if they would only be a 3 or 4.

They moved Aurora to the West to be an 8 last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 03:17:00 PM
Last year the original plan was for Aurora, and I believe Monmouth, to go to the west coast for the first round. Then the accountants got involved and everything changed. You'll have to ask Pat as I'm not 100% on the second team.

I'm guessing that lots of teams get moved this year and the west and north will be over loaded no matter what teams get sent where.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 28, 2009, 03:27:02 PM
WEST REGION In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Linfield 6-0 7-0
2. Central (Iowa) 8-0 8-0
3. St. John's (Minnesota) 8-0 8-0
4. Wisconsin-Whitewater 5-0 7-0
5. Monmouth 8-0 8-0
6. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 6-1 6-1
7. Coe Redlands 6-1 6-1
8. Occidental 5-1 5-1
9. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1
10. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 4-1 5-2

Some surprises, the main one being Whitewater, holy cow.  And apparently Coe and Redlands are merging for the playoffs, gotta watch out for that team I guess.  Pat, the official NCAA release gave the number 7 spot in the West to "Coe Redlands"  I see you just put Coe and left out Redlands completely.  What's this about?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 03:44:16 PM
While these rankings are comical they also demonstrate why I haven't drank any of the kool aid that puts Whitewater in the north. Thank you very much..............

Here's the bracket as it stands right now:

Occidental or Redlands
@Linfield

Monmouth
@Whitewater

Coe
@St. Johns

St. Thomas
@Central
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 28, 2009, 03:51:30 PM
Right now it looks like the MIAC and the IIAC are getting two in, and I agree I don't think they'll make conference foes play in the first round.

I don't think this is how it will be on Nov. 15th, but if the season ended today.  I think Monmouth or Whitewater move North due to their proximity.

Questions: If noone moves to the North and Coe loses what team is in?[SNC?]  Are undefeated Wittenberg or Case Western viable no. 1s for the North, or does a 9-1 North Central leapfrog them if Mt. U moves East and Whitewater stays West?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 04:05:27 PM
The MIAC board is pretty confident about getting two in but the IIAC board is not. That could open the door for SNC but I wasn't expecting them to be this far off the radar.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on October 28, 2009, 04:23:16 PM
Roop,

I'm starting to buy into your theory. The rankings are totally rigged to have a SoCal team fly to Oregon and then have UWW take out the winner the next week.  Couldn't have Linfield at the 2, 3, or 4 spot and let them host the 8 seed - then people would know it's about saving money.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 28, 2009, 04:24:30 PM
All Right. Step right up and give us your picks. Forget this after season prognostication and get to the games this week.  :D

Saturday, October 31  All Games 1:00 PM
     
Beloit at St. Norbert

Carroll at Lawrence .

Illinois College at Monmouth

Knox at Lake Forest

Ripon at Grinnell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 28, 2009, 04:27:38 PM
Yeah, my head is already starting to hurt thinking about all the scenarios.  I'm gonna try and wait for some more games to play out before I pay attention to that anymore.  We'll see if it happens.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: d-train on October 28, 2009, 04:23:16 PM
Roop,

I'm starting to buy into your theory.

People can argue against my theories all they like but they can't dispute history.

My only prediction for this week is that SNC will roll over Beloit to the point that I may go to the Whitewater-Point game instead. More play off implications and it's only 30 minutes away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2009, 05:19:07 PM
I think they mistakenly typed Coe Redlands when they meant to type St. Norbert.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 28, 2009, 05:23:28 PM
Roop. I don't blame you at all. I would bail on Beloit also if I were you.  ;)

scottie, you are the man. Thanks for that surprise post.   ;D

Who knows. Maybe SNC will stay below everyone's radar and all of a sudden get a home game against Linfield or some other west coast team.   ::)

Yeah, Right. But I would love going to Oregon for the first game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 05:32:19 PM
You can buy that ticket and enjoy Oregon all you like SNCOLDAD but I guarantee that SNC won't be playing there in the first round.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 28, 2009, 05:39:03 PM
But a guy can dream can't he? Special reasons for liking that idea.

Oh, and by the way. I believe that entry into the St. Norbert game is free this Saturday. This is the last game at Minahan Stadium.  :-\

I sure am going to miss those flyovers that have become so famous.  :P

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2009, 05:48:31 PM
Maybe you could bait the geese over to Green Bay and the MWC could have a non-conference extravaganza, complete with fly overs at Lambeau Field next year. I'm sure such an event would draw 375,000 to 400,000 people and tuition in the MWC would be free for the next 20 years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on October 28, 2009, 05:50:25 PM
I still think SNC has an outside chance to get in.  If they do though, they're not going to Oregon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 29, 2009, 08:58:51 AM
Dutch, not only was I wrong, I was way wrong.  ;D

I am shocked that Linfield and Central are above UWW and St. Johns. Very strange.

I have to agree that if SNC gets in, and I think there is still a shot, they go to UWW or SJU rather than the west coast.

Stevens Point and UWLAX both have Whitewater left on the schedule, so they should both finish with 3 losses and be out of the running. UW-Stout could sneak into that last spot, but they have LAX left as well. I cant imagine SNC is far behind them in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 29, 2009, 09:04:58 AM
Guys, don't get me wrong. Going to Oregon is for personal reasons. Like relatives that live there and want to see my son play. I firmly feel that if SNC gets a bid you are absolutely correct on UWW or Johnnies.

But you have to start somewhere. Just give us the opportunity.  :-*

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 29, 2009, 02:45:59 PM
In the spirit of the Sports Illustrated season preview editions, here are the regions in terms of Week 8 rankings, or extended rankings via votes in parenthesis.  FYI

East Region
1. Albright 6-0 7-0 (30)
2. Alfred 6-0 6-0 (24)
3. Delaware Valley 5-0 6-1 (23)
4. Kean 6-1 6-1 (33)
5. Rowan 6-1 6-1 (35)
6. Montclair State 6-1 6-1 (NR)
7. Springfield 6-1 6-1 (NR)
8. Lebanon Valley 6-1 6-1 (NR)
9. Union 5-1 5-2 (NR)
10. Curry 6-1 6-2 (NR)

North Region
1. Mount Union 6-0 7-0 (1)
2. Otterbein 7-0 7-0 (7)
3. Wittenberg 5-0 7-0 (17)
4. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0 (12)
5. Mount St. Joseph 7-0 7-0 (29)
6. North Central (Ill.) 6-1 6-1 (9)
7. Wabash 5-1 6-1 (18)
8. Wheaton (Ill.) 6-1 6-1 (14)
9. Illinois Wesleyan 6-1 6-1 (NR)
10. Trine 6-1 6-1 (31)

South Region
1. Wesley 3-0 7-0 (3)
2. Mississippi College 6-0 6-1 (13)
3. Washington and Jefferson 7-0 7-0 (11)
4. Hampden-Sydney 8-0 8-0 (25)
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 4-1 6-1 (EIGHT) - emoticon, otherwise  8)
6. Thomas More 7-0 7-0 (20)
7. Centre 6-1 6-1 (38)
8. Huntingdon 3-0 6-1 (NR)
9. Dickinson 6-1 6-1 (37)
10. DePauw 5-1 5-1 (32)

West Region
1. Linfield 6-0 7-0 (5)
2. Central 8-0 8-0 (6)
3. St. John's 8-0 8-0 (4)
4. UW-Whitewater 5-0 7-0 (2)
5. Monmouth 8-0 8-0 (10)
6. St. Thomas 6-1 6-1 (15)
7. Coe 6-1 6-1 (40)
8. Occidental 5-1 5-1 (21)
9. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1 (34)
10. UW-Stevens Point 4-1 5-2 (26)

Outside looking in, according to rankings/votes:
16 Capital
19 Ohio Northern
22 Willamette
27 Redlands
28 Bethel
36 Cortland State
39 Trinity (Conn)
41 UW-La Crosse
42 Franklin
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on October 28, 2009, 03:27:02 PM
WEST REGION In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Linfield 6-0 7-0
2. Central (Iowa) 8-0 8-0
3. St. John's (Minnesota) 8-0 8-0
4. Wisconsin-Whitewater 5-0 7-0
5. Monmouth 8-0 8-0
6. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 6-1 6-1
7. Coe Redlands 6-1 6-1
8. Occidental 5-1 5-1
9. Cal Lutheran 5-1 5-1
10. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 4-1 5-2

Some surprises, the main one being Whitewater, holy cow.  And apparently Coe and Redlands are merging for the playoffs, gotta watch out for that team I guess.  Pat, the official NCAA release gave the number 7 spot in the West to "Coe Redlands"  I see you just put Coe and left out Redlands completely.  What's this about?

That's why you don't go to the NCAA site. We know who the teams are in Division III and we actually READ the rankings before posting them.

When I saw that, I called the person who issued the release and got a clarification. Only Coe is regionally ranked. Redlands is not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
Pat says don't trust the NCAA and his karma goes up. I say the same thing and I've lost a dozen points or so in the past week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2009, 01:21:33 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 30, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
Pat says don't trust the NCAA and his karma goes up. I say the same thing and I've lost a dozen points or so in the past week.

Probably because it's not the only thing I say.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2009, 01:23:35 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 30, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
Pat says don't trust the NCAA and his karma goes up. I say the same thing and I've lost a dozen points or so in the past week.

Pat's reply works too!

But I say: That's the difference between owning a site and having a Roopacino named for you. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2009, 01:24:14 AM
I think you're limited as to what you can say, so I say it for you. Beyond that I do say a lot of things that you wouldn't  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2009, 10:02:54 AM
And I am limited by a certain lineman that would kick my butt.  :-X

Even if he is not reading it himself, he hears about it pretty darn quick.  :o

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2009, 11:51:47 AM
Your mistake was telling him your logon name.      ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
Did not need to. Coaches figured it out before the son. No problem. I am not one to post stuff that would hurt anyone. At least I try not to. And if I do, they know where to find me.  :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 30, 2009, 02:11:56 PM
Pick for Week 8:

Beloit at St. Norbert - SNC
Carroll at Lawrence - CU
Illinois College at Monmouth - MC
Knox at Lake Forest - LFC
Ripon at Grinnell - RC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Make it a memorable last home game for the seniors...unless there is a home playoff game in the future. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on October 31, 2009, 09:29:02 AM
Have no fear, it is the last home regular season game of the year but I predict the Scots will host at least one game in the playoffs if not more than one. 

Predictions:

Beloit at St. Norbert- St. Norbert rolls trying to impress and squeak in the playoffs
Carrol at Lawrence- Carrol, Big
Knox at Lake Forrest- might be a close one but gotta go with Lake Forrest.
Rippon at Grinnell- Rippon has a let down after the last two weeks and has to come from behind and pull out a close one.

IC at MC- Monmouth wins big.  Look for 70plus points again this year if IC manages to score around 20 like last year.  Hopefully the Scots will play like they are capable and every senior can get solid playing time on senior day. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2009, 10:15:46 AM
Lets have SNC get to 9-1 before we start worrying about margins of victory. At the moment they are probably the #8 Pool C and will need some help as only 6 get in. Line them up in terms of the regional alphabet soup criteria and they won't be that high, however, they will leap frog higher based on geography and the unwritten limit of no more than 2 teams per conference getting in.

I was looking at the remaining CCIW schedules this morning and I'm not as convinced that they get two in as I was a week ago. Mainly because North Central handled Wheaton the way they did. A lone team from the CCIW also moves SNC up the list and it's not that far fetched.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2009, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 31, 2009, 10:15:46 AM
the unwritten limit of no more than 2 teams per conference getting in.

Is that the limit that was in place two years ago when the Empire 8 got three teams in?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 31, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
mcwaterboy- Can we at least act like we know how to spell the other teams in our conference?

Monmouth 68-24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2009, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2009, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 31, 2009, 10:15:46 AM
the unwritten limit of no more than 2 teams per conference getting in.

Is that the limit that was in place two years ago when the Empire 8 got three teams in?

I never said it can't happen but it generally doesn't. As I recall it caused quite a stir when it was announced. Or was that the rival D3football.net website I logged on to by accident.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 31, 2009, 02:45:21 PM
Monmouth not looking very good so far. Up 7-3 early in the second.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on October 31, 2009, 03:01:04 PM
Memo to potential Monmouth playoff opponents.....throw the football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2009, 05:23:53 PM
SNC just got some unexpected help as Marietta knocked off Otterbein 25-22. This is significant as Otterbein was #2 in the North, still has to play Mt Union and no other OACs are in the regional rankings. In conclusion the OAC is no longer a lock to get two teams in as their OWPs should fall after this.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2009, 06:00:08 PM
IWU also beat North Central. Hmmmmmmmmm, wasn't somebody talking about a shake up in the CCIW earlier today ??

So #7 and #9 have lost, what will this do to #10 Monmouth. Linfield is also in a battle as of this posting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2009, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 31, 2009, 06:00:08 PM
IWU also beat North Central. Hmmmmmmmmm, wasn't somebody talking about a shake up in the CCIW earlier today ??

So #7 and #9 have lost, what will this do to #10 Monmouth. Linfield is also in a battle as of this posting.


Hmmmm is right.  No. 20 Thomas More also beat No. 11 Washington and Jefferson.  What will this do to No. 10 Monmouth, you ask?  Scottie's prediction:

#8 IWU, welcome to the top 25
#9 John Carroll, because they scored against Mt. Union.
#10 Thomas More
#11 Otterbein
#12 North Central
#13 Washington and Jefferson
#14 Good Guys slip because they don't ring up fitty.   :-[

A few p.s.'s

#13 Mississippi College also lost.

Boy, that LF v. Knox game must have been fun to watch.   ::)  The Fire going for two in a row next week against the Scots. 

Illinois blew out Michigan as the 2007 Juice comes out of hibernation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2009, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on October 31, 2009, 03:01:04 PM
Memo to potential Monmouth playoff opponents.....throw the football.


I didn't see the game, but it doesn't look like the IC QB picked MC apart.

Passing              Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Long Sack
-------------------------------------------------
Mitch Niekamp          44-25-2   169  1   18    0

According to the box score, the TD was of the one-yard variety.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 31, 2009, 09:10:14 PM
Scottie, what are you smoking?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2009, 10:47:18 PM
....cigarettes and watchin' Captain (Kang) Kangaroo.

Are you referring to my humorous ranking attempt?  I think #8 has a nice ring to it...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on October 31, 2009, 11:40:35 PM
Looks like SNC got some real help for their postseason aspirations today. The WIAC is a 1-bid league if Platteville beats Stout next weekend.

I would put money on Wheaton beating IWU next weekend.

Wheaton would then get the CCIW's auotmatic bid, but who gets the at-large. IWU who beat North Central or North Central who beat Wheaton...or does the CCIW get 3 in????

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2009, 11:48:05 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on October 31, 2009, 11:40:35 PM
Looks like SNC got some real help for their postseason aspirations today. The WIAC is a 1-bid league if Platteville beats Stout next weekend.

I would put money on Wheaton beating IWU next weekend.

Wheaton would then get the CCIW's auotmatic bid, but who gets the at-large. IWU who beat North Central or North Central who beat Wheaton...or does the CCIW get 3 in????



Wheaton would not get the AQ even with a win unless NCC loses again.

The only viable C for the CCIW is Wheaton (IF they beat IWU).  There is no way the CCIW will get three teams in.

I'd say 'give me a PM if you're serious about betting money on Wheaton AT IWU', but Pat discourages gambling on the site! :D  [I expected NCC to win today; but now I expect IWU to win next week.]
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bombsovertrees on November 01, 2009, 08:56:54 AM
I was at the Lake Forest-Knox game. I felt absolutely embarrassed for the Lake Forest Seniors. 12 of the 14 were on defense playing hard the hole game. The offense was terrible. They threw 5 interceptions. The offensive coaches finally got it together and ran the ball. Knox held a 40-20 time of possession advantage. The play of the Lake Forest quarterbacks (they used two) was abysmal.

the box score doesn't tell the whole tail, but for an offense to give up a safety and an int for a TD on the 10 yard line, and the defense only gave up 3 pts-- on the first drive. The Forester's played way below their abilities, the young offense had better have a great offseason.

Kudo's to knox for making sure that nobody in the conference went o-for the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2009, 07:57:53 PM
#8 it is for the good guys.  With 5 teams in the top 8, the West Region is looking rather robust, to say the least.

Any (good) reasons out there why SNC isn't even receiving votes?   ???

p.s.  Go Wartburg!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 01, 2009, 08:06:06 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 01, 2009, 07:57:53 PM
#8 it is for the good guys.  With 5 teams in the top 8, the West Region is looking rather robust, to say the least.

Any (good) reasons out there why SNC isn't even receiving votes?   ???

p.s.  Go Wartburg!

Perenially weak conference (in playoff terms) and Wartburg not living up to the hype this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2009, 08:22:06 PM
That argument is pretty stale, but it glides off the tounge I guess.  SNC is having a damn good season.

Maybe Wartburg will live up to the hype in their next game.  Who is that against, again?   :D  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 01, 2009, 08:43:35 PM
scottie, it absolutely is a stale tale. (a poet and didn't know it) But it will be what is said and used for the rest of the season I am afraid. You could add one more item. Our game after the Wartburg win was a real let down. I also found out that there was a little illness running around in the ranks that day. But never the less, the O was pretty flat. I think since then the team has redeemed itself pretty darn well. Let's see what happened this past Saturday. Team that averaged 26.9 points per game in conference held to ZERO. Or holding a team that averaged 381.9 yards per game of offense to somewhere around 130 yards!  Now that is some defense laying it on the then 2nd ranked offense in the MWC. Oh, and also the O puts in a strong showing. Beloit is not in the elite teams of the country or even the conference lately. But they are a much improved team whose stats show it.

Wartburg winning next week could help us out. But then again, you just never know what is in the minds of the NCAA selection team. We are a better team than the team that beat Wartburg at the beginning of the season. The Orange Knights are going to have to be a much better team in order to beat Central. But they have done it before.


So one more game to the regular season for the Green Knights. It was a great closing for Minahan. And I think a lot of young men are looking forward to this Saturday and a week off.  ;D

Have to stay positive.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 01, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
My apologies for misspelling Carroll and Ripon. You cannot blame though, I do attend Monmouth College  ;).  Maybe the message board should correct spell check. 

Congrats to the Scots for being #8, best in school history.  I really believe that either Whitewater, Central, or Monmouth will be moved to the North Region.  Otterbein losing I believe spices things up a bit.  I don't see the NCAA having 5 top ten teams in the same region if they can help it.  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 01, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
What I don't get is how St. Norbert was (by extended rankings) No. 30 the week before they played Monmouth. After losing to the then No. 11 Fighting Scots, SNC has yet to receive one vote for the Top 25. How can that possibly be the case? I don't necessarily believe they should be in the Top 25, but how can SNC go from being No. 30 to not one person thinking they belong in the polls? Going by rankings, they were expected to lose that game.

Yet Otterbein loses to a Marietta team that isn't receiving a single vote and falls from 7 to 15. Yes, the MWC has yet to do anything in the postseason, but at least be consistent with your voting. If you don't believe the second team in the conference belongs in the polls, don't vote for them in the first place.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 01, 2009, 10:34:21 PM
With regards to the last post, I don't like to complain about the rankings much because i believe that regardless of ranking you have to prove it on the field, but SNC is a position where getting into the playoffs (or a better seed in the playoffs) can be largely affected by public opinion. I just don't understand the rationale behind the voting sometimes or how some voters could justify their rankings. I know some voters have publicized their polls, but I would love to hear the rationale with regards to my last post.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on November 01, 2009, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: mcwaterboy on November 01, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
 I don't see the NCAA having 5 top ten teams in the same region if they can help it.  What do you guys think?

Well back in the 2005 Season the west region bracket had five undefeated teams.  Check out this link http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/05/bracket.htm . So don't ever count on the selection committee not making a crazy decision like putting the top five teams in the same bracket.  The hope is that they wouldn't do that but who knows what they are thinking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 01, 2009, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: Jester76 on November 01, 2009, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: mcwaterboy on November 01, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
 I don't see the NCAA having 5 top ten teams in the same region if they can help it.  What do you guys think?

Well back in the 2005 Season the west region bracket had five undefeated teams.  Check out this link http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/05/bracket.htm . So don't ever count on the selection committee not making a crazy decision like putting the top five teams in the same bracket.  The hope is that they wouldn't do that but who knows what they are thinking.

Note that there were also 5 other undefeated teams.

It could be worse - last year's men's basketball tourney had #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, and #7 all in the same quadrant!  THAT is a 'bracket of death'!  (Not surprisingly, the sectional was MUCH more competitive than the Final Four.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2009, 11:51:56 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 01, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
If you don't believe the second team in the conference belongs in the polls, don't vote for them in the first place.

With all due respect, before the St. Norbert/Monmouth game was played, there was certainly room for doubt as to which was No. 1 and which was No. 2, or if there was a No. 1/No. 1-A situation. The game, once it was played, made it fairly clear.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 02, 2009, 01:09:07 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2009, 11:51:56 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 01, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
If you don't believe the second team in the conference belongs in the polls, don't vote for them in the first place.

With all due respect, before the St. Norbert/Monmouth game was played, there was certainly room for doubt as to which was No. 1 and which was No. 2, or if there was a No. 1/No. 1-A situation. The game, once it was played, made it fairly clear.


Yea true. That's why I would like to see if the voters who were giving SNC votes had them ahead of Monmouth. I find it doubtful, but you never know. If not, then that voter should have expected (at least by their ranking) that MC win the game. Based upon the difference in rank (No. 11 to No. 30) was the margin of victory that surprising?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 02, 2009, 08:03:15 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 01, 2009, 08:22:06 PM
That argument is pretty stale, but it glides off the tounge I guess.  SNC is having a damn good season.

Maybe Wartburg will live up to the hype in their next game.  Who is that against, again?   :D  

Stale or not Im not trying to be a jerk but its the way it is. Wartburg is a 3, soon to be 4, loss team. If they were sitting at 9-0 now then youd have a better argument being as tho they went deep into the playoffs last year. As for the stale conference argument then prove me wrong this year Monmouth...go deep, regional final. And then the MWC will have a better case to get two teams in. Until then its just not a competitive enough group to justify it over any of the other West region conferences.

Not trying to make enemies here guys, so feel free to bash on me at will ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
First off Dutch, I don't think we were referring to your stating the same thing again as the Stale Tale. You, and I and many others all have made it the Stale Tale.

#2 to DutchHawk, aren't we the cocky one.  :o " 3, soon to be 4, loss team. Lay it out there for the bulletin boards.

#3 to DutchHawk. The MWC from top to bottom is not a strong conference. But the top 2 teams are up there pretty darn consistent. Yes, the MWC has to step it up and they did last year. You have to start somewhere.

There is nothing wrong in wanting to take the next step. That may be going deep as you said. It also could mean looking for the 2nd team in the playoffs as others have said. Either one is a major next step. Just different paths to building the tradition stronger.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 02, 2009, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
First off Dutch, I don't think we were referring to your stating the same thing again as the Stale Tale. You, and I and many others all have made it the Stale Tale.

#2 to DutchHawk, aren't we the cocky one.  :o " 3, soon to be 4, loss team. Lay it out there for the bulletin boards.

#3 to DutchHawk. The MWC from top to bottom is not a strong conference. But the top 2 teams are up there pretty darn consistent. Yes, the MWC has to step it up and they did last year. You have to start somewhere.

There is nothing wrong in wanting to take the next step. That may be going deep as you said. It also could mean looking for the 2nd team in the playoffs as others have said. Either one is a major next step. Just different paths to building the tradition stronger.

My fault, thought it was about that. With that I apologize.

Its true you have to start somewhere, and that could be with Monmouth representing you guys well and winning a few games.

If Wartburg is using d3football.com message board quotes from me for motivation, or any team for that matter, they need to rearrange their priorities and motivational methods.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 09:05:40 AM
I think all the teams use boards like this, newspaper interviews, and anything else they can for bulletin board fodder.  ;D

I know you and Wartburg have a tremendous rivalry going. So I fully understand your "Confidence" that you display.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 02, 2009, 09:07:49 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 09:05:40 AM
I think all the teams use boards like this, newspaper interviews, and anything else they can for bulletin board fodder.  ;D

I know you and Wartburg have a tremendous rivalry going. So I fully understand your "Confidence" that you display.  ;)

Well I cant say all teams, we never did at Central, only thing I ever remember seeing up on a bulletin board was the preseason pick by the coaches to have us 5th. (We ended up 1st)

Nobody cared in that locker room what people had ot say on here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 09:22:43 AM
How long ago was that? If it was more than a couple years, you might be surprised what is watched and used as motivation.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 02, 2009, 09:28:49 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 09:22:43 AM
How long ago was that? If it was more than a couple years, you might be surprised what is watched and used as motivation.  :)

05

Same coaching staff...I can speak with certainty that they wouldnt allow it on the bulletin boards. We always had team oriented suff up there.

I cant speak for any other schools though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 09:29:35 AM
You had some great years there I bet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2009, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 08:40:39 AM

#3 to DutchHawk. The MWC from top to bottom is not a strong conference. But the top 2 teams are up there pretty darn consistent. Yes, the MWC has to step it up and they did last year. You have to start somewhere.


The thing is (to DHawk and others who blast the MWC)...you can look at almost any conference and, from top to bottom, they look the same.  The classic bell curve.  A few teams at the top with 0 or 1 loss.  Maybe a team with 2 losses, several teams that are +1/@/-1 the .500 mark, and then a few teams with lousy records.  And, what do you know, it's usually the same teams in the general position year after year.  So it's hard for me to rationalize the "strong conference argument" in most cases.  You don't hear a lot of, "Our 1-9 team would destroy your 1-9 team" bravado.   :)

Bottom line:  SNC has competed well in the playoffs.  Monmouth won a game last year and was one play away  >:( from hosting Whitewater in Round 3. The MWC fields competitive NCAA teams not only in football but in many sports.  Good luck to one or both of the MWC gridiron representatives this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on November 02, 2009, 12:10:22 PM
Dutchawk, I would love to see a central monmouth game this year. I truly believe monmouth can go fairly deep into the playoffs with the right draw. the reason being with the exception of mount union and whitewater rankings between3 and 15are somewhat interchangeable. the other factor is to beat the scots you will have to outscore them in a high scoring affair that favors monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2009, 12:32:29 PM
A Monmouth-Central match up would be nice as trip to Salem could be on the line. I don't think both will be in the same region anyway. One will have to knock off Whitewater first however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on November 02, 2009, 12:56:28 PM
 roop ,your probably right as usual as it stands now monmouth would face uww first round 4 against 5 unless one gets moved very unfortunate draw for the scots though i believe they have a shot against them though small.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2009, 01:14:43 PM
LOL. Now that's a first round match up that even I can't imagine happening. Monmouth figures to get at least one home game regardless of the region they wind up in. Keep in mind that the polls and regional rankings are a bit misleading as so many Pool A teams don't appear on either one of them. For example I was just looking at the top 25 and counted 9 teams that are either on the bubble or are not likely to make it under any circumstance. Maybe only 3 control their own destiny.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
So Roop, have you got a list of the Pool A teams that have made it so far? Like Monmouth and so on? And then the next question would be who is favored for Pool B?

Won't even talk about Pool C at this time.

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
Wesley, Case Western and Huntingdon are the likely Pool Bs. I think 5 Pool As have been determined thus far. Pat had that list up already I believe.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2009, 01:44:13 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
So Roop, have you got a list of the Pool A teams that have made it so far?

Check the front page for all of that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 02, 2009, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: scots fan on November 02, 2009, 12:10:22 PM
Dutchawk, I would love to see a central monmouth game this year.

Central and Scots do meet up on the 21st of November...This one is certain--the game is in Glennie Gymnasium! Let's talk with the NCAA selection committee to  place UWW to the North and scedule us for  FB and BB extravaganza. "let's play two." A 4 pm game must be delayed to allow Tanney to change uniforms!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
Monmouth would need to lose the Turkey Bowl and then the football game would be at Central.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 02, 2009, 02:58:24 PM
Did you know...

When did the Scots and the Dutchman last put up their eleven against one another? Who has bragging rights?

Reviewed the Football Recordbook of the Scots.

Never, Nada, No meeting ever!

These two collegiate schools haven't strapped it up and gone at each other on the gridiron. Is this the year? Quite surprising really for the distance between both!

TES: 152 miles :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 02, 2009, 03:08:37 PM
For what its worth department...

Scots JV over IWU JV earlier this year. Just a statement not trying to imply anything.

Suggest we go with our JV against an improving Knox team this weekend. Two reasons: #1, We rest our starters and prevent an untimely injury because of the heated rivalry as this could get ugly. #2, Give little away to visiting scout teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 03:17:26 PM
FightinScot77,
You forgot one more reason to put your JV against Knox this weekend. So you can lose any respect your program has gained over the past couple of years.  :-\

scottie, keep your fans based in reality, will you please?   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2009, 03:20:32 PM
Maybe he should start a "Why haven't they played" board. I nominate Beloit and Rockford. 20 miles apart, at the most, and have never met on the gridiron.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2009, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 02, 2009, 03:17:26 PM
FightinScot77,
You forgot one more reason to put your JV against Knox this weekend. So you can lose any respect your program has gained over the past couple of years.  :-\

scottie, keep your fans based in reality, will you please?   ;)

I'd guess we can split the difference.  Both Tanney brothers have thrown for exactly 405 yards against Knox.  Unless A.T. feels compelled to gain bragging rights over Thanksgiving dinner, I suspect he and other starters are in for a two-quarter performance on Saturday.  Using the last four years as a projection: Scottie says 47-7 (Monmouth). 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2009, 11:14:16 AM
Starters must stay in for the Knox game.  1. they have a bye going into the playoffs anyway 2. they must score 65 or more and allow 5 or less to average over 50 pts scored a game and less than 10 pts allowed a game on the season, would be pretty impressive no matter what conf. you play in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on November 03, 2009, 04:14:43 PM
Week 10 and the final week of MWC play, can't believe the regular season is almost over... anyways here our my final picks for the conference

Lake Forest vs Carroll- Carroll 35 - Lake Forest 6
Grinnell vs Beloit- Beloit 24 - Grinnell 13
Lawrence vs Ripon- Ripon 45- Lawrence 3
Monmouth vs Knox- Monmouth 59 Knox 7
St. Norbert vs IC- St.Norbert 35- IC 21

Heres to hoping two MWC conference teams get into the national playoffs, but if not good luck to Monmouth and make nice run at a national championship.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on November 03, 2009, 04:36:29 PM
monmouth needs to approach this game in a playoff state of mind .play mistake free football and play the starters as long as they need to get a comfortable lead . dont take chances with the starters if they are up 50 at half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2009, 09:07:10 PM
So Tanney is the Off. POY, what about Def. POY, and Coach?

I'd go with Baratti I guess.  Coach of the Year is Bell, no huge improvements or changes from last years results.  I did say Brann deserved consideration last yr because of a big team improvement, but conference standing look very similar this yr.  I find it interesting that Monmouth has the best points allowed defense in the conference by 7 pts a gm, yet no individual defensive statistical leaders.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 06:01:53 AM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on November 02, 2009, 02:58:24 PM
Did you know...

When did the Scots and the Dutchman last put up their eleven against one another? Who has bragging rights?

Reviewed the Football Recordbook of the Scots.

Never, Nada, No meeting ever!

These two collegiate schools haven't strapped it up and gone at each other on the gridiron. Is this the year? Quite surprising really for the distance between both!

TES: 152 miles :o

Well lets get it organized...home and home vs the Dutch in the near future. Although I would personally rather have us play MUC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on November 04, 2009, 07:19:31 AM
lets go hope it happens.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 06:01:53 AM
Well lets get it organized...home and home vs the Dutch in the near future. Although I would personally rather have us play MUC.

MUC would be out of region for Central so it wouldn't count anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 06:01:53 AM
Well lets get it organized...home and home vs the Dutch in the near future. Although I would personally rather have us play MUC.

MUC would be out of region for Central so it wouldn't count anyway.

Oh but thats why its perfect, match up against the best in the country, see where you rank, lose you lose cuz it doesnt matter come playoff seeding time. If you happen to beat them, then more power to you. It only makes sense to try to schedule tough, out of region games for non conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 09:17:35 AM
I can see where you're going with the thinking but I'm not so sure I would want to give up a regional win just to play them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 09:19:07 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 09:17:35 AM
I can see where you're going with the thinking but I'm not so sure I would want to give up a regional win just to play them.

Good point, hadnt thought that way, but if its the difference between 9 and 10 regional wins, its splitting hairs eventually. I believe Central was the 1 seed after playing Hope a few years back.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 09:24:03 AM
It could also be the difference between 8 and 9 regional wins. And in a year like this I'm not sure that "8 is enough" ba dump bump...............................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 09:24:03 AM
It could also be the difference between 8 and 9 regional wins. And in a year like this I'm not sure that "8 is enough" ba dump bump...............................

It could also be the difference between 7 and 8 regional wins, or 6 and 7...I mean we can go on. Fact of the matter is, win the conference, get in the playoffs. You can lose 2 and still AQ (IIAC anyways)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 03, 2009, 09:07:10 PM
So Tanney is the Off. POY, what about Def. POY, and Coach?

I'd go with Baratti I guess.  Coach of the Year is Bell, no huge improvements or changes from last years results.  I did say Brann deserved consideration last yr because of a big team improvement, but conference standing look very similar this yr.  I find it interesting that Monmouth has the best points allowed defense in the conference by 7 pts a gm, yet no individual defensive statistical leaders.

Brann might get more consideration than you think. Last year they were out of contention after the first quarter of week three. This year they were still in the running until the fourth quarter of week 6. A 3.5 game improvement of sorts. The record may only show a one game difference but I think Beloit improved more than Monmouth did.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 12:08:59 PM
results win you awards, not moral victories
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on November 04, 2009, 12:22:41 PM
roop , tough call braun had to replace 7 starters on d and still led conference in scoring defense and total d though i agree beloit had a helluva a nice year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
Beloit hasn't beaten Grinnell yet so I'm not giving Brann the COY by any means. All I'm saying is that it's hard to improve on 10-0 when you're expected to go 10-0 again. If Bell wins I won't have a problem with it. I just think that Beloit improved more than Monmouth did.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 04, 2009, 01:39:33 PM
Hey Roop, whay if SNC gets a bid? Then who do you vote for COY?   ???  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 01:49:10 PM
I don't get a vote.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 04, 2009, 03:01:47 PM
Start calling you Roger Dodger!    ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2009, 03:26:18 PM
New regional rankings out:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/04/ncaa-regional-rankings-take-2/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 04, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 12:08:59 PM
results win you awards, not moral victories

Beloit's Ed DeGeorge won COY in 2005 with a 5-5 (5-4) record. COY is base on results, but that can be measured in different ways, such as significant improvement in a team that has been bad for some time.

Also I think, LB Ryan Andersen from Ripon deserves some consideration for DPOY. If you've ever seen him play, the kid is all over the field. Baratti has him beat by 13 total tackles, but Andersen leads the conference in solo tackles and has one sack and .5 TFL more than the Beloit LB.

Baratti is very deserving, but I'm just throwing another name out there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 04:10:30 PM
WEST REGION
1. St. John's 8-0 8-0
2. UW-Whitewater 6-0 8-0
3. Linfield 7-0 8-0
4. Central 9-0 9-0
5. Monmouth 9-0 9-0
6. St. Thomas 7-1 7-1
7. Coe 7-1 7-1
8. Cal Lutheran 6-1 6-1
9. Redlands 6-1 6-1
10. St. Norbert 8-1 8-1


Cal Lu and Redlands still have to play each other so SNC might jump one of those teams. St. Thomas still has a tough one left against Bethel.  Coe still has a tough one left against Buena Vista.  One of the teams on the list might go to the North region.

Is history brewing?  2 MWC teams in?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
Also, I thought Monmouth and Whitewater were the two most likely to move North.  Have two teams from the same conference ever got in but been placed in different regions?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 04, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
All I Can Say Is:






GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 04, 2009, 04:36:28 PM
Go Green Knights

Go Wartburg

Go Bethel

Go Buena Vista
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 04:37:07 PM
final regional standings will be:
1 st johns
2 linfield
3 central
4 monmouth
5 cal lu
6 coe
7 st norbert
8 bethel

1st round matchups:
st. norbert at st. johns

cal lu at linfield

bethel at central

coe at monmouth

remember you heard it here first on wed. nov 4th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
Let me drink the 3 west coast team Kool-Aid for a moment. Don't worry SNCOLDAD, I think you're still in even if this scenario comes true.

Cal Lu #5
@MH-B #4

Huntingdon #6
@Mississippi College #3

Occidental #7
@Linfield #1

NathCon winner #8
@Monmouth #2

This would be the South region................................  :o  :o

We'll know more after this weeks CCIW games are played but I think there will be mixing and matching with all the regions this year, regardless of what happens.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2009, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
Also, I thought Monmouth and Whitewater were the two most likely to move North.  Have two teams from the same conference ever got in but been placed in different regions?

Not uncommon.  One prominent example was several years ago when MUC won the North while JCU won the East.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 05:41:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi.......... Lets say for a moment that my theoretical bracket is realized. The winner would go to Mt. Union I'm guessing ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2009, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 05:41:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi.......... Lets say for a moment that my theoretical bracket is realized. The winner would go to Mt. Union I'm guessing ??

Well, assuming the other two #1s are UWW and Wesley, I'd think #4-1 Linfield would go to #1-1 MUC.

But as of now, I'd bet on MUC, UWW, Wesley, and SJU/Central as the #1s.  I suspect Linfield is third of the SJU/Central/Linfield cluster once the dust settles.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 04, 2009, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
Cal Lu #5
@MH-B #4

Huntingdon #6
@Mississippi College #3

Occidental #7
@Linfield #1

These pairings aren't terribly original (though all in the same bracket is a unique idea).  If two SCIAC teams make the field - it's not likely to be those two.  Oxy has two regional losses, gets aced out on most AQ tie-breakers, and isn't a strong Pool C candidate.  However, Redlands can end the season with one overtime loss (by beating Cal Lu in week 11) but without the AQ. 

Having all three West coast teams in the South joined by two from IL seems a bit far-fetched.  But I guess we'll see...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2009, 06:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 05:41:28 PM
Mr. Ypsi.......... Lets say for a moment that my theoretical bracket is realized. The winner would go to Mt. Union I'm guessing ??

Well, assuming the other two #1s are UWW and Wesley, I'd think #4-1 Linfield would go to #1-1 MUC.

But as of now, I'd bet on MUC, UWW, Wesley, and SJU/Central as the #1s.  I suspect Linfield is third of the SJU/Central/Linfield cluster once the dust settles.

Would agree with that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
I'm not sure, I think Linfield's schedule and been just a smidge tougher.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
Well d-train you did inspire the bracket. I was just throwing some luv OxyBobs way in the event the Tigers make the field. You did say that Cal Lu was going to beat Redlands anyway, etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 04, 2009, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
Well d-train you did inspire the bracket. I was just throwing some luv OxyBobs way in the event the Tigers make the field. You did say that Cal Lu was going to beat Redlands anyway, etc.

If Cal Lu wins out - they will be the only SCIAC team in the field.  To borrow from your own line of thinking: there will be several less expensive two-loss teams to include than Oxy, Redlands, or Willamette (if Pool C even gets down to considering two-loss teams).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
The west and north figure to be so overloaded that it's bordering on ridiculous. Look for one highly unusual bracket this year, at least as far as flights go. The ideal is about 7 but it may take 10 or more to complete this seasons playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
I'm not sure, I think Linfield's schedule and been just a smidge tougher.

Huh????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 05, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
Man, did this board quiet down.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on November 05, 2009, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2009, 05:04:20 PM
Let me drink the 3 west coast team Kool-Aid for a moment. Don't worry SNCOLDAD, I think you're still in even if this scenario comes true.

Cal Lu #5
@MH-B #4

Huntingdon #6
@Mississippi College #3

Occidental #7
@Linfield #1

NathCon winner #8
@Monmouth #2

This would be the South region................................  :o  :o

We'll know more after this weeks CCIW games are played but I think there will be mixing and matching with all the regions this year, regardless of what happens.


My initial impression was that moving a team South was a good option for the over crowding in the North and West. But upon further review--The South has 6 AQs, two of the three probable pool B teams are in the South. Then you have MHB who is a shoe-in for pool C. There will be 9 teams from the South region in the playoffs. Not much doubt that one of them will join the 5 AQs from the East.
The North has 6 AQs plus Case from pool B. Then you have Wabash, 2nd place teams from the OAC and CCIW. By moving two team east to fill out that bracket, the West is stuck as is. (There are a couple good pool C candidates from the East that we aren't even considering at the moment, Leb Valley-Del Valley-Springfield)
My best guess is two pool Cs from the North and West and 1 each from the South and East. And not much changing regions going on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on November 05, 2009, 02:17:37 PM

Keep the faith SNCOLDAD, but your going to need a little help along the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2009, 02:59:02 PM
Like it or not St. Norbert is in with a win and an Otterbein loss. If not then it's time to throw the red flag......................

I'm not holding my breath that my imaginary "south" bracket will come true but given the 500 mile rule most regions over lap quite a bit and plenty of teams meet the bus ride criteria. It's only the far west and deep south that present a problem.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 05, 2009, 03:21:10 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 05, 2009, 02:59:02 PM
Like it or not St. Norbert is in with a win and an Otterbein loss. If not then it's time to throw the red flag......................

I think they need more outside help than an Otterbein loss.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on November 05, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 05, 2009, 02:59:02 PM
Like it or not St. Norbert is in with a win and an Otterbein loss. If not then it's time to throw the red flag......................

I'm not holding my breath that my imaginary "south" bracket will come true but given the 500 mile rule most regions over lap quite a bit and plenty of teams meet the bus ride criteria. It's only the far west and deep south that present a problem.



It's not a matter of me liking it or not, I'm fine with St. Norberts getting in. As long as it isn't ahead of a 9-1 Coe team. Where the problem lies is that there are about 40 teams recieving votes or in the top 25, and 40 teams in the regional rankings. (Not all the same teams) Nearly half of them are fighting for the 6 pool C spots. Keep the red flag handy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 05, 2009, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
I'm not sure, I think Linfield's schedule and been just a smidge tougher.
+1
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 10:52:23 PM
Huh????
Boooo! -1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 05, 2009, 06:36:39 PM
Adding karma for improper word usage....what has this board become?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2009, 09:01:15 PM
d-train:  On THIS board, we've got a fever.  And the only prescription is MORE BAGPIPES!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 05, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
If Illinois Wesleyan knocks off Wheaton that will leave both Wheaton and North Central with two losses. Will one of them get in? If so, NC does right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 05, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
If Illinois Wesleyan knocks off Wheaton that will leave both Wheaton and North Central with two losses. Will one of them get in? If so, NC does right?

I'd say both would be on life support.  I'm guessing that no 2-loss teams gets a pool C, but the winner of ONU/Capital would probably be first in line if one does.

A Wheaton loss might also eliminate Bethel, if St. Thomas doesn't do it anyway.

Between Wheaton and NCC, I'd assume NCC would go first due to h-to-h.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 06, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
Quote from: d-train on November 05, 2009, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 04, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
I'm not sure, I think Linfield's schedule and been just a smidge tougher.
+1
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 04, 2009, 10:52:23 PM
Huh????
Boooo! -1

Linfields schedule is tougher than whos? Monmouth? Yeah
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2009, 09:26:05 AM
An interesting sub-plot in this week's Turkey Bowl, as I noticed that it will feature the reigning Offensive POW (Tanney) vs. the reigning Defensive POW (Zirkle).  Just one more example of why, in THIS game, throw them there records out the window.  Think about it:  Last week, Knox has FIVE interceptions in a gutty win over LFC.  Tanney is bringing in 36 TDs amd 3044 yards down I34 into Galesburg.  Something has GOTTA give.  Which team will bend, but not break?  Which winning streak will continue?  Who will have the ball last???  This might all come down to who wins the ever-important coin toss and field direction for a 4th quater field goal attempt.  Folks, you just can't make up this kind of drama!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2009, 09:52:00 AM
scottie, there you go smokin that stuff again!!!   ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2009, 10:07:58 AM
Just noticed that the Bronze Turkey got the lead paragraph in Keith's ATN article.   :)

In the spirit of the MWC ....because at this time of the year we begin to root for the best interests of the conference, right y'all.....  good luck to SNC this weekend.  A decisive victory may boost their chances for one of the last bids.  ie.  No more of that 14-11 crapola.   ;) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 06, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
Linfields schedule is tougher than whos? Monmouth? Yeah
I just re-ran the numbers this morning: 120% tougher than Monmouth's. 110% tougher than UWW's. 90% tougher than Central's. 60% tougher than SJU's. Sorry, DutchHawk, it just doesn't pencil out for your boys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 05, 2009, 09:01:15 PM
d-train:  On THIS board, we've got a fever.  And the only prescription is MORE BAGPIPES!   :D

What about a bagpipe/cowbell duet? That would rock...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 06, 2009, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 06, 2009, 09:26:05 AM
An interesting sub-plot in this week's Turkey Bowl, ... why, in THIS game, throw them there records out the window

Scottie, I know you are really don't think this will last longer than one quarter...

1. It is 'the game' where record stats by the Scots will be posted 'in' and 'not thrown out.'
2. Weather conditions will be outstanding for tomorrow's game: Partly Cloudy 66° - 67° w/ winds @ 8 -10 mph WSW. Get to wear our plaid kilts and not worry about no swirling winds in the Bowl!
3. Widest margin of victory over Knox is a 51-0 drumming in 1978. The highest scoring game in the series came in 1977; my senior year by a score of 61-20. Open up the record books on this one!
4. Hey, it's the Siwash we're playing...  ;) PC aside, that's who I remember them to be.
5.Redwash all over this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2009, 01:49:29 PM
Picks for Week 9:

Grinnell @ Beloit - BC
Lake Forest @ Carroll - CU
Lawrence @ Ripon - RC
Monmouth @ Knox - MC
St. Norbert @ Illinois C. - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Finish the job, hang onto the Bronze Turkey, and get that 10-0 again!

PS - Any former Scots that are gonna be around for the game tomorrow afternoon, give me a shout if you see me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2009, 04:06:36 PM
NRO1 has landed in Beloit so I can watch one in person for a change. Apologies in advance to those hoping for in game updates
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 06, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
FightnScot77....he was joking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 06, 2009, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 06, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
FightnScot77....he was joking.

I got it! Win big is all I needed for him to retort back! I'll be there with my two daughters (a graduate and undergrad) to witness a woopin...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 06, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 06, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
Linfields schedule is tougher than whos? Monmouth? Yeah
I just re-ran the numbers this morning: 120% tougher than Monmouth's. 110% tougher than UWW's. 90% tougher than Central's. 60% tougher than SJU's. Sorry, DutchHawk, it just doesn't pencil out for your boys.

Dtrain,

I looked up the records of the teams that Linfield has played or will play so far excluding Oregon since they don't count.  Linfields opponents record so far is 27-35 with the Dutch's opponents at 38-43 not a lot of difference there.  Both teams have only three teams with winning records on the schedule.  I don't see how you come up with 90% tougher than the Dutch's
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:12:21 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 06, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 06, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
Linfields schedule is tougher than whos? Monmouth? Yeah
I just re-ran the numbers this morning: 120% tougher than Monmouth's. 110% tougher than UWW's. 90% tougher than Central's. 60% tougher than SJU's. Sorry, DutchHawk, it just doesn't pencil out for your boys.

Dtrain,

I looked up the records of the teams that Linfield has played or will play so far excluding Oregon since they don't count.  Linfields opponents record so far is 27-35 with the Dutch's opponents at 38-43 not a lot of difference there.  Both teams have only three teams with winning records on the schedule.  I don't see how you come up with 90% tougher than the Dutch's

Sure, but you didn't look far enough into the past of Linfield's opponents.  Six of them (two-thirds) have won a playoff game since 2000.  Can any other team say that about their schedule?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2009, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:12:21 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 06, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 06, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
Linfields schedule is tougher than whos? Monmouth? Yeah
I just re-ran the numbers this morning: 120% tougher than Monmouth's. 110% tougher than UWW's. 90% tougher than Central's. 60% tougher than SJU's. Sorry, DutchHawk, it just doesn't pencil out for your boys.

Dtrain,

I looked up the records of the teams that Linfield has played or will play so far excluding Oregon since they don't count.  Linfields opponents record so far is 27-35 with the Dutch's opponents at 38-43 not a lot of difference there.  Both teams have only three teams with winning records on the schedule.  I don't see how you come up with 90% tougher than the Dutch's

Sure, but i you didn't look far enough into the past of Linfield's opponents.  Six of them (two-thirds) have won a playoff game since 2000.  Can any other team say that about their schedule?

An interesting metric, though I'm not sure winning a 2000 playoff game makes Pacific Lutheran tougher than, say, Luther.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 07, 2009, 08:51:51 AM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:12:21 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 06, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2009, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 06, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
Linfields schedule is tougher than whos? Monmouth? Yeah
I just re-ran the numbers this morning: 120% tougher than Monmouth's. 110% tougher than UWW's. 90% tougher than Central's. 60% tougher than SJU's. Sorry, DutchHawk, it just doesn't pencil out for your boys.


I looked up the records of the teams that Linfield has played or will play so far excluding Oregon since they don't count.  Linfields opponents record so far is 27-35 with the Dutch's opponents at 38-43 not a lot of difference there.  Both teams have only three teams with winning records on the schedule.  I don't see how you come up with 90% tougher than the Dutch's

Sure, but i you didn't look far enough into the past of Linfield's opponents.  Six of them (two-thirds) have won a playoff game since 2000.  Can any other team say that about their schedule?


That is the best you can do?  What have you done lately?  The IIAC has been to the regional finals the last two years.  Some of thos players are still playing now. 
Pat said it best what does games played almost a decade ago have to do with here and now. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 07, 2009, 09:34:45 AM
A little more than four hours away from game time...

at stake...

The Bronze Turkey trophy, awarded to the winner of the Knox versus Monmouth College football game ... named one of the five weirdest trophies in sports by ESPN....

Background story on the Bronze Turkey in today's Review Atlas.

http://www.reviewatlas.com/sports/x1972895235/The-Bronze-Turkey-has-colorful-storied-history
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 07, 2009, 09:45:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2009, 12:42:18 AM
An interesting metric, though I'm not sure winning a 2001 playoff game makes Pacific Lutheran tougher than, say, Luther.

Pacific Lutheran is 80% tougher than Luther because of the mustaches.  Plus the "Pacific" and the "-an" make the school's name longer.  That's why I rarely write it as just PLU.

{Come on guys, it's the internet, I'm fricken pulling your legs.}
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 07, 2009, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 07, 2009, 08:51:51 AM
What have you done lately? The IIAC has been to the regional finals the last two years.

Yeah, but only because the NWC champ had to play UWW in round two last year.  And in '07 they didn't even honor our league champ with a bid.  Besides that stupid mud thing, the NWC has owned the IIAC in the playoffs.


{Sorry MWC folks, pretty rude of us to go on and on...}
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 07, 2009, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: d-train on November 07, 2009, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 07, 2009, 08:51:51 AM
What have you done lately? The IIAC has been to the regional finals the last two years.

Yeah, but only because the NWC champ had to play UWW in round two last year.  And in '07 they didn't even honor our league champ with a bid.  Besides that stupid mud thing, the NWC has owned the IIAC in the playoffs.


{Sorry MWC folks, pretty rude of us to go on and on...}


They need the help to get their page numbers up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2009, 10:09:21 AM
You guys realize this is a board for Midwest Conference football, right?   :o ???

p.s. Can somebody please pass the stuffing and the gravy?  Mmmmmm, Turkey.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 07, 2009, 02:25:59 PM
SNC.  7
IC.   0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
Sneaking in webcast on mute during class.  Shhhh.  Looks like MC 7-0, with the Scots committing TWO turnovers in the red zone.   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 07, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
SNC. 21
IC.  0
Half
1 SNC ejection for blocking a little bit too far out of bounds
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
21-0 Scots midway through 3rd.  

42-0 Final.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2009, 04:46:51 PM
Congrats to the Scots on the title. Good luck in the playoffs.

Final
St. Norbert 49
Illinois College 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2009, 06:21:54 PM
Final

Ripon 41
Lawrence 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2009, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 07, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
SNC. 21
IC.  0
Half
1 SNC ejection for blocking a little bit too far out of bounds

Was the ejectee a member of the offensive line, by any chance?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2009, 09:29:31 PM
Well, I guess the waiting has officially begun for St. Norbert. For 7 weeks I was scratching my head about this team as they weren't winning like they were supposed to. I wasn't expecting them to beat Monmouth but it got out of hand rather quickly. Since then they've put it together and have three "statement" wins in a row, including back to back lopsided shut outs against teams at or above .500.

Whether they needed help from the CCIW or not is a matter of debate but they got some anyway. They've done their part and deserve a bid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2009, 10:57:33 PM
SNC could use a little IIAC help next weekend.  It will be the MWC equivalent of Knox beating SNC, but anyway...Go Cornell!   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 08, 2009, 09:06:48 AM
Scottie, nope!no big deal. Just poor judgement on an individual's part.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 08, 2009, 10:30:50 AM
Well, had a good trip home last night. Almost got me a 10 point buck!   :o  That is how big my eyes were when he showed up on I-39. WOW!

The game was great. The DEFENSE was absolutely fantastic. I talk a lot about offense, and so do a large portion of the others on this board, but I have to say this group of guys on defense have stepped it up to a whole new level. The last 3 weeks for this group has shown what they are made of. And this week they just plain shut down IC.  ;D

My hats off to probably the best offensive player on Illinois College. That punter should be seriously looked at by the next level. He had distance and hang time that is not usually seen in D3. I think one was 75 yards. Unfortunately he had no coverage to speak of that could keep up with his foot.

I would like to say the IC fans were also nice. They put up with a lot from a group of Green Knight Fans that had been couped up for an average of probably 7 hours of travel time to get there. Some had a lot more.

On another note. It was SNC Fans belief that the Midwest Conference had set down that each player had 2 tickets to enter all conference games no charge.  ???  Maybe I am wrong and it is just an understood courtesy. But IC decided that this was no longer the way it will be at their facility. First time in 3 years for me that a conference team charged admission to a game for the parent. Interesting. We look forward to the IC fans that make the trip up north next year.

Well, SNC has done what the schedule allows. As others have said, it is now wait and see. If we are on the bubble, I hope the selection group looks at the recent games leading up to this point. The offense continued to move the ball strong and the defense has posted 2 shutouts in a row against very offensive minded conference teams. We can only wait and see.

WAY TO GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots fan on November 08, 2009, 12:59:21 PM
SNCOLDAD. congratulations on a fine season .Snc seems to be peaking at the right time. HOPE the experts see it that way  I would love to see two mwc teams make it. I also have a son that starts for Monmouth would love to see a rematch think it would be quite a game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2009, 09:55:35 AM
Still no votes at all for SNC in the rankings.   ::)  HOWEVER, Pat and Keith talk about SNC's playoff hopes at minute 31:00 (and 38:50) on their ATN podcast.  Sounds like two MWC teams is not completely out of the question, but Green Knight Nation definitely has some "rooting interests" this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 09, 2009, 10:17:15 AM
Only up to minute 24 at the moment. Trying to get through it before the phone starts ringing off the hook. :) This is going to be a long week waiting.  :-\

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 09, 2009, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 07, 2009, 10:57:33 PM
SNC could use a little IIAC help next weekend.  It will be the MWC equivalent of Knox beating SNC, but anyway...Go Cornell!   :)

I think a more correct matchup is Grinnell vs SNC. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2009, 02:44:12 PM
Great....another 14-11 game.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 09, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 09, 2009, 09:55:35 AM
Still no votes at all for SNC in the rankings.   ::)  HOWEVER, Pat and Keith talk about SNC's playoff hopes at minute 31:00 (and 38:50) on their ATN podcast.  Sounds like two MWC teams is not completely out of the question, but Green Knight Nation definitely has some "rooting interests" this weekend.

I dont think it is the way some of the other conferences are beating up on each other. Good luck!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2009, 09:13:19 PM
Question for the Board and most likely sncOLDdad   ;)

Is St. Norbert practicing this week?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 09, 2009, 09:37:04 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 07, 2009, 10:57:33 PM
SNC could use a little IIAC help next weekend.  It will be the MWC equivalent of Knox beating SNC, but anyway...Go Cornell!   :)
They haven't won in nine years, but you never know.

It is the oldest rivalry west of the Mississippi so you never know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 09, 2009, 09:43:42 PM
East region teams have been beating themselves up too, so I would guess that SNC is the #5 or #6 Pool C team regardless of what happens in the IIAC this week. MH-B, St. Thomas, Coe, ??, SNC, ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 09, 2009, 09:44:30 PM
If they are not practicing then the coach should be fired.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: siwash on November 09, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
Word out of Galesburg...Gibbons resigns...AD Eisele names self coach.  Gibbons moves to D Coordinator...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2009, 09:53:24 AM
The only change I have heard is they got to sleep in on Sunday. Otherwise I believe they are practicing as usual.

fightintitan, you'll pay. You never know when, but someday, when you least expect it, you will pay.  :D

Meanwhile, a long week of waiting. Now I hear it will be announced in the afternoon? I thought it was in the morning.   :-\

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 10:01:37 AM
Things fall right in the East, St. Thomas, Coe and Mississippi College all lose. St. Norbert becomes the #1 Pool C and hosts a game. You heard it here first......................  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on November 10, 2009, 10:16:55 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 10:01:37 AM
Things fall right in the East, St. Thomas, Coe and Mississippi College all lose. St. Norbert becomes the #1 Pool C and hosts a game. You heard it here first......................  ;)

Are you saying in this scenario that Monmouth moves North?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 10:24:59 AM
1. I'm not holding my breath on this scenario  ;)
2. Monmouth probably gets moved regardless.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2009, 10:55:43 AM
No. We can't Host. We had the official last game in Minahan!    ;)

Of course I am sure we can reconsider the closing for another game.   ;D

And Roop, I am not holding my breath on that scenario either.  ::)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 11:07:55 AM
I don't know, Texas Lutheran is due. Go Bulldogs.............................

Chances are that SNC is in and goes to UW-W in the first round. I've never been there for a football game so I can't tell you what the tailgating opportunities are. If the NCAA sees it my way I'll make every effort to be there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2009, 11:14:19 AM
The parking lot at Perkins Stadium on the UW-W campus is full of tailgaters.  Alcohol is allowed.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 11:15:57 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm. I might go whether SNC is playing or not LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on November 10, 2009, 02:11:57 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 10:24:59 AM
1. I'm not holding my breath on this scenario  ;)
2. Monmouth probably gets moved regardless.


Interesting, thanks for the insight
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VOJ on November 10, 2009, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 10:01:37 AM
Things fall right in the East, St. Thomas, Coe and Mississippi College all lose. St. Norbert becomes the #1 Pool C and hosts a game. You heard it here first......................  ;)

Things have already fallen right in the East...there are no undefeateds worth the number one seed...

I am not sure who Mississippi College plays, but I know this...Northwestern of Mn will NOT beat St. Thomas...USTd would have to not show up for Northwestern to get the win

I can almost say the same thing for Coe...Cornell has one win this year and the Kohawks know exactly what is on the line here...they are not going to lose to that crew.

IF you do get in...we can roll out the Welcome to Collegeville signage for you
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 10, 2009, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on November 09, 2009, 09:13:19 PM
Question for the Board and most likely sncOLDdad   ;)

Is St. Norbert practicing this week?

Sure as hell better be!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2009, 03:00:05 PM
DutchHawk, Thank you for that vote of confidence that we will get in. Like I said before, all we can do is wait until Sunday.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Pay attention. I already said who Mississippi College plays.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2009, 03:41:05 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2009, 03:00:05 PM
DutchHawk, Thank you for that vote of confidence that we will get in. Like I said before, all we can do is wait until Sunday.  :)

snCOLDad: Just to be safe, I'd put a hold on 11/28 (or 12/5) for a return trip to Monmouth.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 10, 2009, 04:24:32 PM
Quote from: siwash on November 09, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
Word out of Galesburg...Gibbons resigns...AD Eisele names self coach.  Gibbons moves to D Coordinator...

I remember playing against Eisele. He is a good man. I can't wish him too much luck though being a Siwash(sorry I meant Prairie Fire). Just kidding. Would be nice to see Knox bring it up some though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2009, 05:10:08 PM
Bball coach Robbie P. was interviewed during the second half of the Turkey Bowl webcast and had a lot of good insight into the game.  It would be QUITE a stretch for him to get involved during football season, but I wonder if he could help their team out a little.  Might add a new wrinkle or two to their "offensive attack." 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2009, 05:10:38 PM
Scottie, you can be sure that wouled be a welcome rematch!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on November 10, 2009, 05:52:06 PM
I predict that Lawrence will capture all three Midwest Conference Performers of the Week awards.  Good luck boys, get after 'em!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 10, 2009, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 10, 2009, 03:41:05 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2009, 03:00:05 PM
DutchHawk, Thank you for that vote of confidence that we will get in. Like I said before, all we can do is wait until Sunday.  :)

snCOLDad: Just to be safe, I'd put a hold on 11/28 (or 12/5) for a return trip to Monmouth.   ;D

Haha with the way things are falling I think you guys stand a chance, what percent Im not sure but good luck! Hopefully the guys are keeping after it this week...I know the Dutch will be!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 10, 2009, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 11:15:57 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm. I might go whether SNC is playing or not LOL.

You'd probably have more fun if they don't!!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2009, 08:57:31 PM
"The living, though, is easy for No. 8 Monmouth (10-0), with a perfect record and resting for the playoffs. It's still uncertain if the Fighting Scots will get a home game but they can make a strong argument for one, including its playoff success last year. Monmouth beat Aurora 42-13 in the first round and was edged out by Wartburg 30-28 in the second round in 2008."

Kudos to Clyde for adding the "g" this week.   :D  For reference in the upcoming weeks, SNC's mascot begins with a "k".  ;D ;D

By the way, the future Monmouth non-conference season opener is looking fantastic as IWU is climbing up the rankings.  MWC champ vs. CCIW champ has a nice ring to it.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
scottie,

And you certainly picked the right year to start the competition - IWU will graduate virtually all their starters this spring!

Next year IWU will be almost completely different than this year, but you can still tout them as CCIW champs! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2009, 10:31:31 PM
Champions just re-load, right??   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2009, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 10, 2009, 10:31:31 PM
Champions just re-load, right??   ;D

From your fingers to God's ears! ;D

Once upon a time that was true, but we've had some pretty miserable seasons the last decade or so.  I'm not throwing in the towel, but there are gonna be a LOT of shoes to fill next year! :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 10, 2009, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 10, 2009, 11:07:55 AM
I don't know, Texas Lutheran is due. Go Bulldogs.............................

Chances are that SNC is in and goes to UW-W in the first round. I've never been there for a football game so I can't tell you what the tailgating opportunities are. If the NCAA sees it my way I'll make every effort to be there.

...and you call yourself a knowledgeable football fan???  ;)  :D  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2009, 12:31:23 AM
Stop ducking Beloit and schedule them. Then I'll go to UW-W for a football game  ;)  ;D

Although I'd prefer they played Point as it's only 30 minutes away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 11, 2009, 08:10:10 AM
scottie, before you hype IWU too much for next year, take a look at SNC's opening game this year and the expectations that had for us in SOS.  :-[

:-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2009, 09:23:52 AM
Gotcha, sncoldad.  Since the KC football program had just had it's obligatory three posts for the year, I thought I would change the subject.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 11, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
WEST REGION
In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Wisconsin-Whitewater 7-0 9-0
2. St. John's (Minnesota) 9-0 9-0
3. Linfield 7-0 8-0
4. Central (Iowa) 10-0 10-0
5. Monmouth (Illinois) 10-0 10-0
6. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 8-1 8-1
7. Coe 8-1 8-1
8. Cal Lutheran 7-1 7-1
9. Redlands 7-1 7-1
10. St. Norbert 9-1 9-1

Not a whole lotta change from last week. Just UWW jumping St. Johns, but they're getting moved anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
I think it's been mentioned before, probably by Prof. The Roop, that Cal Lutheran and Redlands play each other this weekend.  Should we ass-u-me that The Pretty Good Guys will jump the loser in the rankings?  Could that be enough, mathematically, to make sncoldad happy?  Particularly if one of the West Region teams gets moved?  You guys know the formulas much better than I do.

Go Cornell!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2009, 04:54:37 PM
Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on November 11, 2009, 05:54:49 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 11, 2009, 04:54:37 PM
Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.

One of the problems with that is that Cal. Lu is going in as a pool A win or lose. (So you definately want to cheer for Cal. Lu) The other problem is that it's very unlikely for three pool Cs to come from the West. I'm hoping for SN also, but it is going to take a lot of help.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 11, 2009, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 11, 2009, 04:54:37 PM
Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.


Roop you are wrong on the Cal Lu loser.  If Redlands wins they will be in Pool C.  Cal Lu will be the Pool A.  So if Redlands wins SNC will be 4th I'm afraid.  UST, Coe, Redlands then SNC I doubt that the teams move all that much if Redlands wins.  If Redlands would win and Oxy loses then Redlands will get the Pool A and then SNC could move to #3 or if Redlands loses then will move to #3.  So its not the Redlands Cal Lu loser. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on November 11, 2009, 06:31:44 PM
Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 11, 2009, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 11, 2009, 04:54:37 PM
Ok, class is in session. scottie will be taking this for credit but the rest of you are free to audit the course.

Regional ranking, by itself, doesn't determine who gets in and who does not. Rather it determines the order by which you will be "on the board" against the other Pool C candidates on a national level. Remove the Pool As and the Cal Lu/Redlands loser and SNC is effectively 3rd in the West.

Since the West has held serve while the rest of the country hasn't, there is a high probability of 3 Pool Cs coming out of this region. This is why I think that SNC is safely in.


Roop you are wrong on the Cal Lu loser.  If Redlands wins they will be in Pool C.  Cal Lu will be the Pool A.  So if Redlands wins SNC will be 4th I'm afraid.  UST, Coe, Redlands then SNC I doubt that the teams move all that much if Redlands wins.  If Redlands would win and Oxy loses then Redlands will get the Pool A and then SNC could move to #3 or if Redlands loses then will move to #3.  So its not the Redlands Cal Lu loser. 

You are right, there is a chance for Redlands to go in as the pool A if they win and Oxy loses. The chances of Oxy losing isn't very good. Similiar to Coe or St. Thomas losing I would think.
One thing a lot of people forget is that the NATHC is in the west and gets a pool A team also, even though they don't show up in the regional rankings. That just makes a crowded region more crowded and is why I'll be surprised if the west gets 3 pool Cs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2009, 07:44:45 PM
Since we don't get to see the final regional rankings (thereby creating the need for a selection committee) you need to keep three things in mind:

1. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
2. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
3. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.

NathCon is in the North but has been moved west and Pool As don't effect Pool C selections anyway.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on November 11, 2009, 11:03:24 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 11, 2009, 07:44:45 PM
Since we don't get to see the final regional rankings (thereby creating the need for a selection committee) you need to keep three things in mind:

1. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
2. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.
3. They won't take 3 from the west coast unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there.

NathCon is in the North but has been moved west and Pool As don't effect Pool C selections anyway.



Good call on the NATHC being in the North Prof. I must have skipped class that day.  I've proven that I'm no expert on this playoff thing and I'm not hating on SN or your conference. But there will be 1 loss teams staying home, and I'll be surprised if three pool Cs come from the west. If Redlands wins and Oxy wins as they should, how do you propose that SN (in the club house) is going to pass a team thats ahead of them and just beat another playoff team? SN needs Redlands or Qxy to lose to have a ghost of a chance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 07:34:16 AM
It's called economics and the NCAA won't have any more west coast teams in the field than they have to. Since they only have to have two, that's all there will be. No, I can't prove this. All I can do is look at the teams that make it, the brackets we get and apply some deduction.

Similarly I can't prove that a bear stole my dads squirrel feeder either. We just looked out the window one morning and it was gone. After a walk around the yard and a couple short strolls in the woods, voila, fresh bear tracks. It doesn't take a Cal Tech student to figure out what happened at that point.

I wish there were more at large bids but until the D3 members vote to change things there won't be. Maybe, for football only, the Pool A criteria should be changed to 8 teams instead of 7 ?? Most "deserving" ;) conferences have 8 (usually 10) teams anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Thunderbolt on November 12, 2009, 08:24:21 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 07:34:16 AM


Similarly I can't prove that a bear stole my dads squirrel feeder either. We just looked out the window one morning and it was gone. After a walk around the yard and a couple short strolls in the woods, voila, fresh bear tracks. It doesn't take a Cal Tech student to figure out what happened at that point.



Maybe the squirrels moved it somewhere that bears aren't hanging out. I know I feel uncomfortable eating in front of bears.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 08:32:07 AM
It's not a matter of where they were eating. It's a simple question of weight ratios. A 5 oz. squirrel could not carry a 1 lb feeder box.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2009, 09:08:20 AM
Cheese-Head CSI.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 09:33:02 AM
Leave it to scottie to miss a good Monty Python joke.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 12, 2009, 12:05:11 PM
roop - please elaborate on this part: "...unless there is an undefeated Pool B candidate out there."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
There are no viable Pool B candidates on the west coast this year so you get the 2 Pool As and no more.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OxyBob on November 12, 2009, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 07:34:16 AM
It's called economics and the NCAA won't have any more west coast teams in the field than they have to. Since they only have to have two, that's all there will be.

Exactly right.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 12, 2009, 01:37:22 PM
I hate to say it, but the projected field posted today on the main website makes alotta sense and it seems likely barring any crazy stuff.  It doesn't include St. Norbert.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 12, 2009, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
There are no viable Pool B candidates on the west coast this year so you get the 2 Pool As and no more.
Gotcha.  I didn't equate 'out there' to 'west coast' in your statement.   

Since the NWC now has an AQ (starting last year after adding Menlo a few years ago), only Chapman is evaluated in Pool B.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 12, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 12, 2009, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
There are no viable Pool B candidates on the west coast this year so you get the 2 Pool As and no more.
Gotcha.  I didn't equate 'out there' to 'west coast' in your statement.   

Since the NWC now has an AQ (starting last year after adding Menlo a few years ago), only Chapman is evaluated in Pool B.

Yes, no Pool B teams from the West, for the record, the following are noted by NCAA as Pool B teams (West Region) does have a twist no one has brought up....

Martin Luther College (6-3) could be Pool A AQ if Concordia (IL) stumbles this weekend. Right???
Chapman University (3-5)
Crown College (3-6)
Macalester College (2-8)
University of Minnesota, Morris (2-5)

If MLC gets in, They stay in west because of distance -- do the Scots get routed to north region?

Note mileage from Monmouth to following teams...highlighted teams on north...left off over 500 miles teams like Mt. Union (587) and Case Western (533) -- flying trips for them to us or us to them. ;D

Team                              Miles
Monmouth 10-0 10-0..............0
Illinois Wesleyan 8-1 8-1.......105
Coe 8-1 8-1.......................133
Central 10-0 10-0...............152
North Central (Ill.) 7-2 7-2....187
Concordia (Ill.) 8-1 8-1.........206
UW-Whitewater 7-0 9-0.......213
Wabash 7-1 8-1...................230
DePauw 7-1 7-1...................291
Trine 8-1 8-1........................354
St. Norbert 9-1 9-1..............355
St. Thomas 8-1 8-1..............383
Mount St. Joseph 9-0 9-0....386
Thomas More 9-0 9-0..........397
Martin Luther......................406
Wittenberg 7-0 9-0.............411
Ohio Northern 7-2 7-2........428
St. John's 9-0 9-0...............482

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2009, 06:39:03 PM
An old-school rematch of Coe @ Monmouth sounds compelling.  At the time Coe left the MWC, they dominated.  That is unless Cornell beats them and SNC takes their rightful spot in the post season.  Then the new-skool MWC rematch would take place in Round II or Round III.   ;D

p.s.  The Roop: I never followed Monty Python.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 12, 2009, 07:08:35 PM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on November 12, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
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Martin Luther does not have a shot at any AQ - they are in Pool B like the other two Minn. schools and one Cali. school you mention.  They are far behind in the Pool B chase.

Concordia IL is followed by Lakeland and a couple other teams in the AQ chase in NATHC.  The NATHC champ (and/or a CCIW team) could go west if nec.  That's what they did with Aurora did last year, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 12, 2009, 01:37:22 PM
I hate to say it, but the projected field posted today on the main website makes alotta sense and it seems likely barring any crazy stuff.  It doesn't include St. Norbert.  :-\

They had 3 mock brackets up before and this one appears to be #3. St. Norbert did make it in bracket #2, so I'd believe that one. It didn't have a 3rd west coast team as #1 did, nor a 2 loss team as #3 does. I'm sorry but after North Central went down they took Ohio Northern with them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 13, 2009, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2009, 06:39:03 PM
An old-school rematch of Coe @ Monmouth sounds compelling.  At the time Coe left the MWC, they dominated.  That is unless Cornell beats them and SNC takes their rightful spot in the post season.  Then the new-skool MWC rematch would take place in Round II or Round III.   ;D

p.s.  The Roop: I never followed Monty Python.   :)

Damn I forgot thats where Coe came from!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 13, 2009, 05:26:05 PM
I am really confused. How can I be wishing away a weekend  ???

By being anxious for the brackets, that is what I feel I am doing.  :-\


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on November 14, 2009, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 13, 2009, 05:26:05 PM
I am really confused. How can I be wishing away a weekend  ???

By being anxious for the brackets, that is what I feel I am doing.  :-\




Relax and try to enjoy it, turn on the Hawkeye Buckeye game at 230 central time, we may need some help! :) (not that we havent needed any all year!)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 14, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
Last I saw the Hawkeyes need help. The other thing I noticed was SNC on the Coaches poll. Not bad!  :)

I see Coe made there final statement. As did St. Thomas. Not watching the West Coast teams. I think The Roop will have to explain later tonight what those games mean. I also have not heard how Lawrence is doing.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 14, 2009, 05:44:45 PM
I still don't think SNC needed any help but they got some as Wartburg won and Dickinson lost. West coast games won't make any difference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 14, 2009, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 14, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
Last I saw the Hawkeyes need help. The other thing I noticed was SNC on the Coaches poll. Not bad!  :)

I see Coe made there final statement. As did St. Thomas. Not watching the West Coast teams. I think The Roop will have to explain later tonight what those games mean. I also have not heard how Lawrence is doing.


Congrats to the Vikings on finishing out with a win.  LU 21 UM-M 17.

Loras dropped a close one this week... again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 14, 2009, 07:04:55 PM
Should it come down to hair splitting, the LU win helps SNC too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 14, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 14, 2009, 05:44:45 PM
I still don't think SNC needed any help but they got some as Wartburg won and Dickinson lost. West coast games won't make any difference.

I just don't know how you can be so confident, are you just completely ignoring our conference's playoff history?  Two bids in the same conference is a big deal.  The WIAC, which most people agree is the best conf. in the country, isn't getting two bids.....but the MWC?

With all that said I'm still rooting for it...just very doubtful.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 14, 2009, 09:20:02 PM
I don't see St. Norbert getting in. 

After seeing the finals of the games today and nothing drastic changing, here is my final predictions...

I don't think the NCAA will put Whitewater and St. Johns in the same bracket.  That said Whitewater goes to the North
Here are the seeds

1. St Johns
2. Linfield
3.  Central
4.  Monmouth
5.  St Thomas
6.  Coe
7.  Cal Lutheran
8.  NATHC Camp Lakeland I think?

here are the 1st round matchups

1. St Johns
8. Lakeland

4. Monmouth
6.  Coe/ to avoid Coe vs Central in 1st round

2.  Linfield
7.  Cal Lutheran

3.  Central
5.  St Thomas. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 14, 2009, 10:29:57 PM
That looks pretty good to me. You know that Linfield/CLU is a lock. The committee will always pair the NWC and SCIAC schools. Hell, we could be #1 and #1 or #7 and #8 and still be paired against each other.

I can't wait until noon tomorrow!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2009, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: coco on November 14, 2009, 10:29:57 PM
That looks pretty good to me. You know that Linfield/CLU is a lock. The committee will always pair the NWC and SCIAC schools. Hell, we could be #1 and #1 or #7 and #8 and still be paired against each other.

I can't wait until noon tomorrow!


You hit the nail square on the head coco.  That happened just last year with the NWC and SCIAC champions: #1 seed was Willamette at 10-0 and the #2 seed was Occidental at 9-0, and they were paired against each other in the first round.

Also, we here in the midwest can't wait until 2 pm tomorrow! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 15, 2009, 08:58:03 AM
Interesting to see Pat's final predictions

Switching Coe and Depauw.  I guess this could work to avoid Coe from playing Central, but I think it would make more since to just have Coe play Monmouth and St Thomas play Central.  Maybe they don't want Central either the 2 or 3 seed for sure playing St. Thomas the 5 seed that early.  If Pat is right this does make for an interesting scenario for the Scots.  If they were to get past St. Thomas in the first round they would either host Cal Lutheran or travel to Linfeild, which would be exciting.  Either way it avoids the #1 seed in St. Johns for 2 games. 

Of course we'll have to just wait and see at 2pm, should be exciting. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 15, 2009, 03:32:54 PM
Not making the field is disappointing, but when it looks like you may have been the last team out....ouch.

My condolences to St. Norbert College
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 15, 2009, 04:53:04 PM
nice to see a home game for the Scots. Can we get some info on their opponent?  Saw they put up 63 this past week.  Should be a good matchup!  Any thoughts on them or what they run?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 15, 2009, 05:11:03 PM
Well, My last post did not make it. That's OK. Probably best. I posted while Pat was still on TV.

My thoughts are this, DARN IT    Basically ranked 27th in the coaches poll and not getting in.

The only blame is in losing to Monmouth. Man, I wish we had played them at the end of the season. That would have been a heck of a game.

Good luck scots.

Maybe we should switch to the other conference where you can get in with a 6-4 record.  :P

Not bitter. That is how it goes. At least D3 has a playoff. Just very disappointed for a lot of young men that truly deserved to be in the playoffs.


Just one thing left to say:


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sju56321 on November 15, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
UST is very good. I understand they switched QBs a few games ago. They have a receiver, Waldvogel, who is very good, ran back a kick-off and punt for TD-so watch out. Their D is pretty good. I think this will be a good game, but I think Monmouth can win by two tds, given your experience and home field. But it will be a difficult game if you make mistakes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 15, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.

I think that is exactly why. I did not have St. Norbert in for this exact reason. We are a bad conference that does not deserve two teams until we make noise in the playoffs. We are one of those conferences that would be eligible for the "play-in" game during March Madness. This is not opinion, it is a fact that many people have trouble grasping.

SNCOLDAD: I do not think the timing of the game had anything to do with it. I honestly feel that SNC was simply outclassed by Monmouth this year. I wish they would have gotten in just to represent the conference but the MWC is not worthy of two bids.

That said, St. Thomas @ Monmouth is one of the better 1st Rd. games in my opinion. As a Scots fan,  I am terrified of this matchup. I would feel more comfortable if Coe was coming into Illinois.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 15, 2009, 05:25:26 PM
Scots4, I will agree with you that not showing well in playoffs is probably the single most reason that the MWC did not get 2 into the playoffs.

I will respectfully disagree with you on the next statement. We may have been out played by you on that specific day. And I believe that yes, the timing did have an effect on the score of the game.

But the one thing I will totally disagree with you on is that SNC was OUTCLASSED by Monmouth.
Scots4, Monmouth may win a game against us, or other teams from time to time.

But do not believe for a minute that Monmouth will ever "OUTCLASS" St. Norbert. Did not happen this year, last year or the year before.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.

SNCs SOS (.491) was better than W&Js (.433). If the committee follows the criteria they claim to SNC is in. You ask a fair question but a conferences history/reputation shouldn't be a factor unless it's a tie breaker type of thing. .452 vs. .448 SOS, or something like that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 15, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 15, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.

I think that is exactly why. I did not have St. Norbert in for this exact reason. We are a bad conference that does not deserve two teams until we make noise in the playoffs. We are one of those conferences that would be eligible for the "play-in" game during March Madness. This is not opinion, it is a fact that many people have trouble grasping.




SNCOLDAD: I do not think the timing of the game had anything to do with it. I honestly feel that SNC was simply outclassed by Monmouth this year. I wish they would have gotten in just to represent the conference but the MWC is not worthy of two bids.

That said, St. Thomas @ Monmouth is one of the better 1st Rd. games in my opinion. As a Scots fan,  I am terrified of this matchup. I would feel more comfortable if Coe was coming into Illinois.


The important question, where and what time is everyone tailgating?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 15, 2009, 08:28:46 PM
I think geography had something to do with W+J getting in.  They were probably more willing to put them in and bump out a weaker East team, rather than put in St. Norbert in the North or West and bump out a better team from either of those regions.  I'm upset they didn't get in and think they should've made it over W+J, but W+J reward was playing Mt. Union.

As for St. Norbert being "outclassed" my Monmouth.  I don't think you were outclassed as in Monmouth is such a much more classy program, but our levels of play seemed different, as if we were in another class.  I mean Scots scored at will against the G Knights.  If we played again today, maybe the Scots hang 40 instead of 50 or something, maybe the games closer, but there's no doubt in my mind we beat you again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 08:37:49 PM
If geography was the issue then Wabash could go to Mt. Union and St. Norbert could go to IWU.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 15, 2009, 08:43:12 PM
They probably felt that punished Wabash, a pool C team ranked much higher than SNC.

Although speaking of punishing good teams they had no problem sending MHB to Central.  Still scratching my head on that one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 08:51:09 PM
Could be a lot of changes to the bracket no matter who made it in. Some of the match ups make no sense and at least to me, they added flights where they didn't have to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2009, 10:42:49 PM
Didn't see the selection show and am reacting on a form of post-up tape delay.  Tough luck to SNC, as it sounds like they were one of the closest teams not to make it.  If "conference reputation" is the key driver for getting two teams in, hopefully Monmouth can make some noise against quality teams/conferences.  As the MWC competitors tend to unite during the playoffs, you are all hereby given honorary SCOT  status....welcome to the clan.   ;D

A lot of great first round games in the region.  As for our primary game of interest, St. Thomas seems to have some MC qualities - namely, they can score a ton of points and their defense is stout.  This is exactly the type of opponent MC (and the MWC) needs to take the next step.  IF, IF, IF the Scots can get a rematch with St. Johns in Round II, perhaps they can improve greatly on the 2005 game.  But first things first....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 15, 2009, 10:42:49 PM
Didn't see the selection show and am reacting on a form of post-up tape delay.  Tough luck to SNC, as it sounds like they were one of the closest teams not to make it.  If "conference reputation" is the key driver for getting two teams in, hopefully Monmouth can make some noise against quality teams/conferences.  As the MWC competitors tend to unite during the playoffs, you are all hereby given honorary SCOT  status....welcome to the clan.   ;D



Accepted. Go Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 16, 2009, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 15, 2009, 10:42:49 PM
Didn't see the selection show and am reacting on a form of post-up tape delay.  Tough luck to SNC, as it sounds like they were one of the closest teams not to make it.  If "conference reputation" is the key driver for getting two teams in, hopefully Monmouth can make some noise against quality teams/conferences.  As the MWC competitors tend to unite during the playoffs, you are all hereby given honorary SCOT  status....welcome to the clan.   ;D

A lot of great first round games in the region.  As for our primary game of interest, St. Thomas seems to have some MC qualities - namely, they can score a ton of points and their defense is stout.  This is exactly the type of opponent MC (and the MWC) needs to take the next step.  IF, IF, IF the Scots can get a rematch with St. Johns in Round II, perhaps they can improve greatly on the 2005 game.  But first things first....

You can watch it from the link on the Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/15/playoff-bracket-released/).  Look for the freeze frame of Pat Coleman.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 16, 2009, 12:54:14 AM
SNCOLDAD- I just personally think Monmouth would beat St.  Norbert 100 times out of 100. That is what I meant by outclassed. Just my opinion, I didnt mean to come off as disrespectful in my initial post.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2009, 01:43:02 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on November 15, 2009, 08:28:46 PM
I think geography had something to do with W+J getting in.  They were probably more willing to put them in and bump out a weaker East team, rather than put in St. Norbert in the North or West and bump out a better team from either of those regions. 

It doesn't work that way. You can have as many West teams in the bracket as you want.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots66 on November 16, 2009, 02:07:57 AM
Welcome aboard the MWC express. SNC should be here with us but the powers at hand decided different. We are as deserving as any other conference to have 2 teams in. Let's prove them wrong SCOTS. Continue the fight all the way to Salem. EMAS!!!!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 16, 2009, 02:20:43 AM
Quote from: scots66 on November 16, 2009, 02:07:57 AM
Welcome aboard the MWC express. SNC should be here with us but the powers at hand decided different. We are as deserving as any other conference to have 2 teams in. Let's prove them wrong SCOTS. Continue the fight all the way to Salem. EMAS!!!!  :)

Based on what?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scots66 on November 16, 2009, 02:42:40 AM
Nothing. SOS? I don't root for SNC by any means but it would be nice for the conference to get some respect nationally. 2 teams in the playoffs would be a nice start.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2009, 08:56:23 AM
Stop hating on the MWC Scots4.  >:( St. Norbert should be in and everybody knows it. If you don't believe me then ask Pat or Keith. I've listened to all the podcasts now and it sounds like W&J got in based on imaginary criteria.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2009, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: BoBo on November 16, 2009, 12:07:12 AM

You can watch it from the link on the Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/15/playoff-bracket-released/).  Look for the freeze frame of Pat Coleman.  :D

Which freeze frame are you talking about, Bobo?  The still photo of Pat on the YouTube link, or the last 10 seconds of the airing when Pat just stared into the camera in complete silence?   ;)   But seriously...Good job, Pat.  Your encyclopedic (produced/scripted?) insight was a nice balance to the host who was getting WAY too excited announcing pairings for schools he never heard of.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2009, 11:23:17 AM
In preparation for the "our-conference-is-more-competitive-than-your-conference" posturing, I've included the 2009 editions below.  My guess is that if the MIAC had one more team, to equal the MWC, the bell curve would be supported at the lower end of the league. 

MIAC               
St. John's    8-0, 10-0     
St. Thomas  7-1, 9-1         
Bethel  6-2, 7-3         
Con-Moor  3-5, 5-5         
St. Olaf  3-5, 5-5         
Augsburg  3-5, 4-6         
Gustavas Ad  3-5, 4-6         
Hamline  2-6, 4-6         
Carleton  1-7, 3-7           

MWC
Monmouth  9-0, 10-0
St. Norbert  8-1, 9-1   
Ripon  7-2, 7-3   
Beloit  5-4, 6-4   
Carroll  5-4, 5-5
Illinois Col.  5-4, 5-5
Grinnell  2-7, 2-8
Lake Forest  2-7, 2-8
Lawrence  1-8, 2-8   
Knox  1-8, 1-9
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on November 16, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
Overall records? Non-conference marks might be a little more telling. MIAC is 15-3 vs. MWC's 3-7.

But then again MIAC teams generally play tough NC opponents.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2009, 11:53:19 AM
I suggested on the MIAC board that, the MWC would have gone 10-0 if we had the scheduling flexibility to add another non-conference game to our schedule.   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 16, 2009, 12:41:46 PM
Good Luck to the Scots this weekend!

This weekend the NCAA gets into (my/our) pockets when I enter the gate at April Zorn Stadium for the MC-STU game. The price of admission $8 (one ticket) is certainly reasonable. Warm rain gear will be necessary.

Question for the masses: During the regular season Monmouth has opted to not charge admission to FB contests (for the last two or three years). Sncoldad mentioned several pages back of being charged by Illinois College as a parent of an athlete; negative in my eyes. Good policy if MWC encourages conference schools to admit parents as visitors for free admission.

What is the cost of admission at other MWC (and MIAC) conference sites (during the regular season) with respect to FB admission (adults only)?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TC on November 16, 2009, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on November 16, 2009, 12:41:46 PM
What is the cost of admission at other MWC (and MIAC) conference sites (during the regular season) with respect to FB admission (adults only)?

St. John's is $7 for adults, free for students.  From memory (and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), Augsburg, St. Thomas and Concordia in the MIAC and UW-River Falls in the WIAC are all $5-7.  I'm pretty certain Carleton is free.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2009, 01:25:15 PM
I'm pretty sure that NCAA admission is $7 no matter where you are.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 16, 2009, 01:37:46 PM
To be honest with you, I do not recall how much. I think it is between $5-8. We were told that each player on the team gets 2 tickets to Conference away games. The home team has a roster list and checks for the name.

Of course that is unless you are Illinois College. Their cost next year when they come to St. Norbert just may be SUBSTANTIALLY more than normal. Of course that would not be ticket charges. Would not want to break and NCAA or MWC rules. But parking? Washroom access? Seat Licensing for the day?

I am sure there are a number of possibilities. Of course, all of this is totally unofficial. I make no implications that I can control or influence what IC fans will have to pay for anything at the New SNC facilities next year.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2009, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: TC on November 16, 2009, 12:50:11 PM


St. John's is $7 for adults, free for students.  From memory (and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), Augsburg, St. Thomas and Concordia in the MIAC and UW-River Falls in the WIAC are all $5-7.  I'm pretty certain Carleton is free.

I don't know how it goes at St Johns but in WHITEWATER students have to pay admission during the NCAA post season.  I thought that was an NCAA thing that applies to all the schools but maybe St Johns covers it somehow. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 16, 2009, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: formerscot4 on November 15, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 15, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.

I think that is exactly why. I did not have St. Norbert in for this exact reason. We are a bad conference that does not deserve two teams until we make noise in the playoffs. We are one of those conferences that would be eligible for the "play-in" game during March Madness. This is not opinion, it is a fact that many people have trouble grasping.




SNCOLDAD: I do not think the timing of the game had anything to do with it. I honestly feel that SNC was simply outclassed by Monmouth this year. I wish they would have gotten in just to represent the conference but the MWC is not worthy of two bids.

That said, St. Thomas @ Monmouth is one of the better 1st Rd. games in my opinion. As a Scots fan,  I am terrified of this matchup. I would feel more comfortable if Coe was coming into Illinois.


The important question, where and what time is everyone tailgating?

To answer the important question: Where...going to try and tailgate in the parking lot west of the stadium and practice fields, on 6th street by the tennis courts (that's where I was last year for both playoff games).  When...going to try and be there early, not sure on exact time, but well before kickoff at 12 noon.

On another note, I'm looking forward to the rest of the discussions on Monmouth vs. St. Thomas over the next few days.  Should be a fun week leading up to Saturday!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on November 16, 2009, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 16, 2009, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: formerscot4 on November 15, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 15, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.

I think that is exactly why. I did not have St. Norbert in for this exact reason. We are a bad conference that does not deserve two teams until we make noise in the playoffs. We are one of those conferences that would be eligible for the "play-in" game during March Madness. This is not opinion, it is a fact that many people have trouble grasping.




SNCOLDAD: I do not think the timing of the game had anything to do with it. I honestly feel that SNC was simply outclassed by Monmouth this year. I wish they would have gotten in just to represent the conference but the MWC is not worthy of two bids.

That said, St. Thomas @ Monmouth is one of the better 1st Rd. games in my opinion. As a Scots fan,  I am terrified of this matchup. I would feel more comfortable if Coe was coming into Illinois.


The important question, where and what time is everyone tailgating?

To answer the important question: Where...going to try and tailgate in the parking lot west of the stadium and practice fields, on 6th street by the tennis courts (that's where I was last year for both playoff games).  When...going to try and be there early, not sure on exact time, but well before kickoff at 12 noon.

On another note, I'm looking forward to the rest of the discussions on Monmouth vs. St. Thomas over the next few days.  Should be a fun week leading up to Saturday!

Then you'll have to slide over to the MIAC board where most of the banter takes place with respect to UST, mostly on behalf of Johnnie fans.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 16, 2009, 02:20:23 PM
Quote from: DustySJU on November 16, 2009, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 16, 2009, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: formerscot4 on November 15, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Scots4 on November 15, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.

I think that is exactly why. I did not have St. Norbert in for this exact reason. We are a bad conference that does not deserve two teams until we make noise in the playoffs. We are one of those conferences that would be eligible for the "play-in" game during March Madness. This is not opinion, it is a fact that many people have trouble grasping.




SNCOLDAD: I do not think the timing of the game had anything to do with it. I honestly feel that SNC was simply outclassed by Monmouth this year. I wish they would have gotten in just to represent the conference but the MWC is not worthy of two bids.

That said, St. Thomas @ Monmouth is one of the better 1st Rd. games in my opinion. As a Scots fan,  I am terrified of this matchup. I would feel more comfortable if Coe was coming into Illinois.


The important question, where and what time is everyone tailgating?

To answer the important question: Where...going to try and tailgate in the parking lot west of the stadium and practice fields, on 6th street by the tennis courts (that's where I was last year for both playoff games).  When...going to try and be there early, not sure on exact time, but well before kickoff at 12 noon.

On another note, I'm looking forward to the rest of the discussions on Monmouth vs. St. Thomas over the next few days.  Should be a fun week leading up to Saturday!

Then you'll have to slide over to the MIAC board where most of the banter takes place with respect to UST, mostly on behalf of Johnnie fans.

Dusty - I've checked the MIAC board a little bit so far and noticed that most of the chat is coming from the Johnnies.  The problem is your board turns over so fast in comparison to the MWC board that I can barely keep up with it...this board moves pretty slow so I've gotten used to only checking it about once a day and the MIAC board needs to be checked once an hour at all hours of the day in order to stay up with what's going on! ;)  I'll do what I can to try and keep pace though with several checks each day since it's playoff time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2009, 02:23:35 PM
Wait till they start talking about ice fishing.  That's impossible to keep up with no matter how often you check.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 57Johnnie on November 16, 2009, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2009, 02:23:35 PM
Wait till they start talking about ice fishing.  That's impossible to keep up with no matter how often you check.  ;D
...........or beer :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 16, 2009, 03:34:19 PM
Awaiting info from the Scots athletic department for advanced ticket sales...

UST website http://www.tommiesports.com/ftbl/news/Tickets_11-16.html indicates... Tickets are $8 for adults and $4 for students, and gates open at 10 a.m.

A sellout is not expected as the Scots' stadium has at least 3,000 seats and can accomodate another 2,000 in standing room. We'll get that corrected!!!  ;)

A live videocast and audio webcast can be accessed here:
www.midwestconference.tv

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: USTBench on November 16, 2009, 03:42:46 PM
I don't know too much about the MWC...style of play, size of lines, etc. Back in my day we played St. Norbert's twice and lost two close matchups but the dynamic is much different now. UST has the same caliber of talent but exponentially better coaching now. It's tough to gage Monmouth because much like your league, the MIAC is very top heavy, and unfortunately UST hasn't had any tough non-conference competition. Should be interesting...I think the consensus on the MIAC board is that it will come down to whose defense shows up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkbabe on November 16, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
I don't know how it goes at St Johns but in WHITEWATER students have to pay admission during the NCAA post season.  I thought that was an NCAA thing that applies to all the schools but maybe St Johns covers it somehow. 
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Thats not toally true Mr. Whitewater I mean DLK buys a bunch of tickets and then gives them away to students so if the students are smart they don't have to pay for them as Mr. Whitewater as my girlfriends and I would like to call him buys a bunch and then student life gives a bunch away as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2009, 04:08:00 PM
Smart students left Whitewater in 85 when my cousin graduated.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 16, 2009, 04:25:12 PM
You are on the right track to boost your MWC pages

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Quoteuote from: DustySJU on Today at 02:14:36 pm
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Well that pretty much defies explanation.

Do you think the MWC's difficulty winning playoff games had anything to do with it?  No offense intended, I'm just asking for your opinion.

I think that is exactly why. I did not have St. Norbert in for this exact reason. We are a bad conference that does not deserve two teams until we make noise in the playoffs. We are one of those conferences that would be eligible for the "play-in" game during March Madness. This is not opinion, it is a fact that many people have trouble grasping.




SNCOLDAD: I do not think the timing of the game had anything to do with it. I honestly feel that SNC was simply outclassed by Monmouth this year. I wish they would have gotten in just to represent the conference but the MWC is not worthy of two bids.

That said, St. Thomas @ Monmouth is one of the better 1st Rd. games in my opinion. As a Scots fan,  I am terrified of this matchup. I would feel more comfortable if Coe was coming into Illinois.


The important question, where and what time is everyone tailgating?

To answer the important question: Where...going to try and tailgate in the parking lot west of the stadium and practice fields, on 6th street by the tennis courts (that's where I was last year for both playoff games).  When...going to try and be there early, not sure on exact time, but well before kickoff at 12 noon.

On another note, I'm looking forward to the rest of the discussions on Monmouth vs. St. Thomas over the next few days.  Should be a fun week leading up to Saturday!

Then you'll have to slide over to the MIAC board where most of the banter takes place with respect to UST, mostly on behalf of Johnnie fans.

Dusty - I've checked the MIAC board a little bit so far and noticed that most of the chat is coming from the Johnnies.  The problem is your board turns over so fast in comparison to the MWC board that I can barely keep up with it...this board moves pretty slow so I've gotten used to only checking it about once a day and the MIAC board needs to be checked once an hour at all hours of the day in order to stay up with what's going on! Wink  I'll do what I can to try and keep pace though with several checks each day since it's playoff time.

Welcome warhawkbabe...perhaps you'd care to venture over to the NWC board, introduce yourself and talk about another Warhawk - WILDCAT semi match-up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: papa90 on November 16, 2009, 07:55:47 PM
Sunday...talk about how St. Norbert did not get in
Monday...talk about St. Norbert not getting in.
Monday Night...stop talking about the Knights and start focusing on the Scots.  If you want to talk about the Knights, start talking about next year.

On another note, posters keep saying that the reason we did not get two teams is because the MWC did not show up in the playoffs.  Monmouth last year whipped an easy Aurora team and then lost on a last second play to a Wartburg team that was perhaps 1 play away from beating UWW.  I feel that Monmouth represented us well last year and will continue that trend this year.  Coach Bell is doing something great at the Scotsdome along with all the rest of the coaches.   The players from last year have experience along with a veteran QB and Line.  I look for them to give us a better showing than last year, which was the best that the MWC has done in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 16, 2009, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: papa90 on November 16, 2009, 07:55:47 PM
Sunday...talk about how St. Norbert did not get in
Monday...talk about St. Norbert not getting in.
Monday Night...stop talking about the Knights and start focusing on the Scots.  If you want to talk about the Knights, start talking about next year.

On another note, posters keep saying that the reason we did not get two teams is because the MWC did not show up in the playoffs.  Monmouth last year whipped an easy Aurora team and then lost on a last second play to a Wartburg team that was perhaps 1 play away from beating UWW.  I feel that Monmouth represented us well last year and will continue that trend this year.  Coach Bell is doing something great at the Scotsdome along with all the rest of the coaches.   The players from last year have experience along with a veteran QB and Line.  I look for them to give us a better showing than last year, which was the best that the MWC has done in the playoffs.


That was one HELL of a big play Wartburg would have needed!

UWW 34
Wartburg 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 16, 2009, 10:50:42 PM
You know what everyone, papa90 is right. Let's start talking about next year like he suggested.  :D

I say that because this last page of posts seems to be about ticket prices and the Johnnies.

On a friendlier note, congrats to the All Conference announcements.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2009, 11:43:42 PM
Let me add my congratulations to Lawrence for sweeping this week's POW honors.  The first time this season that one team swept all three honors.  Quite impressive!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 17, 2009, 01:24:28 AM
When is the official announcement for all-conference picks?  Isnt it going to be soon?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2009, 08:54:05 AM
Not as much board to board trash talking this year. I guess everybody is worried about their match ups.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2009, 09:01:10 AM
redmen09, the players know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2009, 09:37:14 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 17, 2009, 08:54:05 AM
Not as much board to board trash talking this year. I guess everybody is worried about their match ups.

I could be wrong, but it would appear that the Tommies are somewhat of a reserved people.  Perhaps more accurate, the Johnnies overwhelm their board - and sometimes ours.  Or, is it a hunting season of some sort in Minnesota?  They might be focusing on that during the week while the Mrs. Tommies are clearing spacings on the walls.   ??? :o ;D

Or, both teams are worried about this match up!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2009, 11:16:45 AM
Now that Lawrence has won their non-conference game, will they be on scotties "4 to watch" for next year ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2009, 12:17:31 PM
It depends how soon Beloit is on their schedule.  If they play the Bucs in the first four games, there's not really much point in hyping them too much.  Right now, I can only promise that they'll be in "Scottie's Top Nine," with #10 permanently reserved for another "football team."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Beloit @Lawrence comes in week 9 next year I believe.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2009, 12:29:26 PM
Hmmmm, then that MIGHT give Larry eight weeks of hope.   :D  The official "Scottie watch" will come out after the 2010 master schedule is announced. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
Root for Coe and Mary Hardin-Baylor. Then just possibly we can discuss the "scottie watch" in person.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Does that mean that you think the good guys (#8) would host MHB (#7) if they went that far?  Since the brackets don't have seedings, I'm not sure what's going on....  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2009, 03:32:14 PM
For those of you that are interested, the MWC All COnference names are posted.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2009, 04:25:45 PM
I would like a recount on the two SNCOLs that were selected.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
Well, here goes nothing.
scottie, I see your smiley face and will let that comment slide.

I will have to really challenge one of the awards. Coach of the year. When you have 11 1st team all conference players, why would that be coach of the year. I would think that you would have a coach that had to coach! Now take a total of 22 is it? players that make all conference honors, what did that coach do?   ???  

Now take a team that has 1 loss all year, was ranked 27th nationally in the coaches poll, a team offense that averaged over 400 yards a game in conference (more if non-con is included), a defense that limited conference teams to an average of 271 yards per game (both of these 2nd in conference), and was in top 3 of the 3 Special Teams categories in conference. That is a COACH! Oh, Forgot to mention only 11 All Conference players!

Of course you have the team that has 14 All Conference honors that finishes 5-4 for the conference year.  ???


Not knowing for sure how selections are made, I will not say much, but I think these numbers say enough for me.  :P

OK. I have said enough. Sorry for the long post. It has been very frustrating this week with play-offs and MWC announcements. I feel bad for those that deserved better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2009, 06:26:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 17, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Does that mean that you think the good guys (#8) would host MHB (#7) if they went that far?  Since the brackets don't have seedings, I'm not sure what's going on....  ???

Even though the NCAA couldn't take the time to make seedings my guess is the good guys are the #4 and MH-B is #6 in the bracket.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2009, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2009, 05:49:15 PM


I will have to really challenge one of the awards. Coach of the year. When you have 11 1st team all conference players, why would that be coach of the year. I would think that you would have a coach that had to coach! Now take a total of 22 is it? players that make all conference honors, what did that coach do?   ???


Obviously the thing that he did was recruit more and better athletes than any other coach in the league.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 17, 2009, 07:47:36 PM
If anyone COULD be griping for coach of the year I'd have to say the Beloit coach.  That program seems to be headed in the right direction and has really turned around since he has taken over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2009, 07:52:23 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. He has a history of not staying in one place for very long. Turn a program around then look for bigger and better things, etc. The last thing Beloit needs is for Brann to be COY.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2009, 08:53:51 PM
tm343407, I will not challange you on that. His being there and building the MWC is great. I suport that. But he is not there yet. Can he be??? Maybe!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 17, 2009, 10:11:07 PM
"I feel bad for those that deserved better."

Why do they deserve better? It's obviously the opinion of many and based on the results that they are not the best in the conference.  Noone bashed SNC in this MWC release.........and why do we assume that all the all-conf. players on Monmouth were all-conf. level players from the moment they stepped on campus?  Many of the 22 were not on this level last year.  7 new starters on defense and still led the league in D.  Coach Bell kept his team focused with a target on their back and repeated.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 17, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
"Now take a team that has 1 loss all year, was ranked 27th nationally in the coaches poll, a team offense that averaged over 400 yards a game in conference (more if non-con is included), a defense that limited conference teams to an average of 271 yards per game (both of these 2nd in conference), and was in top 3 of the 3 Special teams categories in conference. That is a COACH! Oh, Forgot to mention only 11 All Conference players!"

If this is how you are judging the coach of the year then let me give you some stats.
Take a team with no losses all year, ranked in the top 10 in every poll, averaged almost 550 yards a game on offense, gave up less than 250 yards, and the list goes on and on.  Your argument for your coach deserving it doesn't make much since when the Monmouth stats are better, so that means that Coach Bell does deserve it.  You are going to take away the respect Coach Bell deserves because Monmouth got more All Conference players?  Correct me if I am wrong but usually the team that wins the conference earns more All Conference players.  Don't get me wrong Norbert had a great year and did deserve to make the playoffs

Coach Bell was able to take a group of ego's and humble them enough to stay focused and win every game.  True, Monmouth does have talent and the better the players are usually means the easier it is for a coach.  But, Coach Bell and the rest of the Monmouth coaching staff does do a great job in making the good players great. 

"Good to Great" is a saying that the Monmouth team has.  Coach Bell has turned good players into great players.  Hopefully you will see that Coach Bell did deserve this with Monmouth's performance in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2009, 12:32:09 AM
What about a coach that takes a team with just one conference win and then closes out with a non-conference win and gets all three POWs?  Now THAT'S coaching them up!  ;)

But seriously folks... Let's all remember who is doing the voting.





Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 18, 2009, 01:53:10 AM
SNCOLDAD, much repect for st.norberts year they had, but if youre trying to say Purtill shouldve gotten the award over Bell, then the statistical argument is not quite the route to go
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
Not really the point. Personally a lot of the head coaches spend a ton of time and I really do not think that the COY should automatically be the one that wins conference. I just feel there is more to it than that.

My point was .... never mind. I really am not in a frame of mind to try to explain what I think is a failing in this wonderful system of selecting the best from ALL teams, even though I still have not heard how it is done.

Let it die. I failed in trying to get my point across. On to the playoffs and next year.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2009, 09:51:04 AM
The football board tends to be quite a bit tamer (fewer haters anyway) than the basketball board but if you've got a beef, I say keep beefing. Sometimes it's better to be notorious than popular, etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 18, 2009, 10:31:15 AM
There is only one COY award and just because nine other coaches dont recieve it doesnt mean they werent deserving, so i dont think the topic should just die out

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
Not really the point. Personally a lot of the head coaches spend a ton of time and I really do not think that the COY should automatically be the one that wins conference. I just feel there is more to it than that.

My point was .... never mind. I really am not in a frame of mind to try to explain what I think is a failing in this wonderful system of selecting the best from ALL teams, even though I still have not heard how it is done.
Let it die. I failed in trying to get my point across. On to the playoffs and next year.



For most other MWC sports the coaches vote for COY and they all get one vote.  If that is the case I can see why Bell was picked for it.  Looking at the SNC vs Monmouth game, from not actually being there (as 8 of the other coaches werent there), it would appear that monmouth outcoached st.norbert even if its not the case. i agree that the COY shouldnt automatically be the winner of the conference, because i feel that ripons coach shouldve gotten it last year because we were 6 points from being 10-0, something we werent expected to do.  going 20-0 in the regular season is pretty special and not easy to do. it would be interesting to see the breakdown of votes for COY like for preseason conference voting
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2009, 11:11:11 AM
Year/MWC champ/COY
2009/MC/Bell
2008/MC/Bell
2007/SNC/Purtill
2006/SNC/Purtill
2005/MC/DeGeorge (retiring Beloit coach, correct The Roop?)
2004/SNC/Bell
2003/SNC/Purtill
2002/LF & SNC/Eisele (LF)
2001/RC & SNC/Bell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2009, 11:23:31 AM
You are correct scottie.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
Ok, so I missed work yesterday and never had time to get on here to check out the boards...and 2 pages of turn-over was all that I missed when I start checking it this afternoon?!  I know the UST folks aren't too plentiful around here so there's never much noise from them, but I figured at least some of the SJU guys would go back and forth with some of the MWC posters we have here.  I know those SJU fellas are busy filling up the IIAC board pages, but thought they'd take some time to go after either one of the Scots or the Tommies! :D

On another note, congrats to all the players honored on the MWC all-conference teams.  And a special congrats to Tanney, Goranson, and Bell for winning the players and coach of the year awards!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
Mav is right. Lets get over to the Minnesota board and raise an eyebrow or 2. I just did.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2009, 05:58:23 PM
A few years ago, I attended the IL/USC Rose Bowl.  Only a few USC fans were sitting in our section.  A very drunk Illini fan decided to taunt the USC fans in our section.  They immediately retaliated with expert precision and wreckless abandon.  A true work of art, if you ask me. 

Keep this in mind if you decide to confront the Johnnies or the Warhawks.  You've been advised....   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 06:04:20 PM
Oh no, not the Johnnies. Just the Thommies.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 06:04:20 PM
Oh no, not the Johnnies. Just the Thommies.  ;D

And you may even get some allies on that board - for some, Tommie-hatred outweighs MIAC-loyalty! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 08:26:48 PM
We shall see.    ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2009, 08:42:49 PM
Ah Yes. The Karma is dropping. I wonder why?    ;D

Does not matter. As long as we have people like Pat that have sanity about them and are knowledgeable in D3, the world is OK.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2009, 10:56:46 PM
Touchdown Tommie is at -1648 so you have nothing to worry about yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on November 19, 2009, 06:01:37 PM
I'm hoping for a low-scoring game this week.  I feel like if it's low-scoring it means that our defense is playing well and our offense has just had some brain farts, and that our offense would eventually get a score when the needed to, to win the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 19, 2009, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 18, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
... for some, Tommie-hatred outweighs MIAC-loyalty! ;)

You got that right!  I'm not too MIAC loyal.  I see no point cheering for the Tommies  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 19, 2009, 06:46:32 PM
Is Roush-boy still around?  I spotted a Roush truck at the grocery store last night and though of him  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 19, 2009, 07:13:50 PM
DuffMan...Roush-boy is still in hiding after the whoopin' he took from you guys in '05.   :'(

He'll still be at the game on Saturday, though, and if the Scots win, I'd say there's a pretty good chance he would come up to MN should the Johnnies win (but without the Roush...)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2009, 09:47:57 PM
Holy _ _ _ _ !  FS13 makes an appearance....must be playoff time!   ;D

Scottie is feeling a bit better about the good guys' chances this Saturday. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 20, 2009, 09:51:50 AM
...and like the majority of my other posts over the years, my stay will be brief.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 20, 2009, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 19, 2009, 07:13:50 PM
He'll still be at the game on Saturday, though, and if the Scots win, I'd say there's a pretty good chance he would come up to MN should the Johnnies win (but without the Roush...)

Excellent.  Tell him Duff says hi  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 20, 2009, 03:20:19 PM
Talk about a new ACM conference...

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/diamonds-and-ice/2009/11/18/a-new-conference-for-cornell-coe-and-luther
(http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/diamonds-and-ice/2009/11/18/a-new-conference-for-cornell-coe-and-luther)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 20, 2009, 04:00:07 PM
That debate is on the MWC basketball board. Let's contain the virus there.










Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 20, 2009, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 19, 2009, 06:46:32 PM
Is Roush-boy still around?  I spotted a Roush truck at the grocery store last night and though of him  :D
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 19, 2009, 07:13:50 PM
DuffMan...Roush-boy is still in hiding after the whoopin' he took from you guys in '05.   :'(

He'll still be at the game on Saturday, though, and if the Scots win, I'd say there's a pretty good chance he would come up to MN should the Johnnies win (but without the Roush...)

Man I love the fact that he's earned the nickname Roush-boy...I think I might have to call him that all day long tomorrow! :D  Now the part that I dis-like is that if both MC and SJU win, and the Scots travel up to Collegeville next weekend for the second round, I won't be able to attend due to a stinkin' basketball game on the same day. :-\

Quote from: scottie on November 19, 2009, 09:47:57 PM
Holy _ _ _ _ !  FS13 makes an appearance....must be playoff time!   ;D

Scottie is feeling a bit better about the good guys' chances this Saturday. 
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 20, 2009, 09:51:50 AM
...and like the majority of my other posts over the years, my stay will be brief.

Definitely must be playoff time for FS13 to show up for a brief moment.  Hope to see you guys around the tailgates for awhile tomorrow morning before kickoff.

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  I can't wait to see this one--should turn out to be a great match-up.  Alot of people picking an upset by the Tommies...here's hoping that we can start fast, finish well, and earn some respect from alot of the doubters outside of the MWC!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 20, 2009, 08:02:51 PM
Mav:  I'll plan to stop by in between wine 'n caviar time.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 20, 2009, 09:02:21 PM
scottie, good luck. You guys have all the offensive tools to hit them so hard they do not know which way to turn.

GO!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 20, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
I decided t go over to the MIAC board to see what was happening. Very interesting. They have a lot of posting going on there.

But you know what. It is nothing but a HEN FEST!  What a waste of D3football message board space!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 20, 2009, 09:17:42 PM
Thanks SNCOLDAD.  I'm sure the Scots will give it their best and make the MWC proud.  A certain "administrator-type" on this site seems to have written the Tommies into the second round, so I hope the Scots can make a statement tomorrow. 


Speaking of "making statements," is there a way to post updates via Blackberry?  If so, and if somebody would post instructions TONIGHT, I'd be happy to give you "Scottie's In-Game Updates" tomorrow.  Gracias.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 20, 2009, 09:24:35 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 20, 2009, 08:02:51 PM
Mav:  I'll plan to stop by in between wine 'n caviar time.  ;)

scottie - Glad you're gonna be able to squeeze us small-time folk into your high-rollers schedule...maybe you can even bring over some of those cigars that you fellas light with the $100 dollar bills. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcwaterboy on November 20, 2009, 10:24:49 PM
42-17 Scots..


People in Minnesota refer to sinks as fountains!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2009, 01:26:03 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 20, 2009, 09:17:42 PM
Speaking of "making statements," is there a way to post updates via Blackberry?  If so, and if somebody would post instructions TONIGHT, I'd be happy to give you "Scottie's In-Game Updates" tomorrow.  Gracias.

Go to D3boards.com on your Blackberry's browser.
Log in with your username and password.
Post.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 07:56:19 AM
I'm in!  Thanks, Pat.  (Still hope the Scots make you look silly today.). :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 21, 2009, 08:12:57 AM
Quote from: mcwaterboy on November 20, 2009, 10:24:49 PM
People in Minnesota refer to sinks as fountains!

Uh, aside from a 3-year stint in Milwaukee, I have lived in MN my whole life, and have never heard of a sink called a fountain.  :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 21, 2009, 08:13:44 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 20, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
I decided t go over to the MIAC board to see what was happening. Very interesting. They have a lot of posting going on there.

But you know what. It is nothing but a HEN FEST!  What a waste of D3football message board space!

I didn't realize that you were paying for the message board space.  Sorry!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on November 21, 2009, 08:18:08 AM
Yeah with "all" the Scots here that explains the miserly 30x pages ... they had to figure they were payig.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 09:11:16 AM
Scots are thrifty by nature.  Our main indulgence is on the scoreboard. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TurtleHead on November 21, 2009, 09:16:39 AM
Don't think I have ever heard of Miserly used to describe pages, but I will say that at least the Scots know how to use spell check.  

Hopefully after Monmouth finishes off the Tommies today and  Coe takes out St. Johns we wont have to read any more posts from the MIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 21, 2009, 11:29:34 AM
Hang in there Scots.  Vocal support from the IIAC is on the way.  We're heading out the door right now.  We'll see you in 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 12:02:50 PM
Scottie has touched down.  Another glorious day in Scot-land!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 21, 2009, 12:43:36 PM
If you get the chance scottie, please ask warthog why he has that picture of a big "M" in his signature line.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Here comes the pipeband....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on November 21, 2009, 01:06:32 PM
Please kill either me or the monmouth play by play man :P

I lost the MWCTV feed and cant the site back...please provide updates if you can
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 01:20:25 PM
MC 7-0 after holding the Tommies on their first drive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 01:27:23 PM
7-7 big runs by the Tommies.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
14-7 UST after MC WR fumble and good (questionable) catch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 01:47:57 PM
No question about the block punt for 6.  Missed FG.  UST 20-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 01:50:12 PM
50 yd pass.  20-14 UST.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 01:56:39 PM
Long return by 4 and short TD drive.  27-14 with 7:34 left in half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 02:01:14 PM
Tanney connects again.  27-21.  Let's get a stop, D!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 02:22:05 PM
UST FG 30-21 Half. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 21, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
I understand its students that do the broadcasting for the game, but this is the same guy from last year. You think there would be some improvement along the way. Almost unbearable to listen to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
37-21 after a 3 and out to open half.  MC punting twice to start half.  MUST stop here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 03:06:56 PM
Another FG.  40-21 w/ 3:30 in 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 03:14:13 PM
End of 3rd.  So much for second half adjustments (so far).  Three 3 and outs for MC and #4 looks like he is shot out of a cannon every time he touches the ball.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
Another long FG.  43-21. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 03:46:49 PM
Final 43-21 Tommies.  The Scots misfired on two late TD attempts which could've made it interesting.  But the Tommies' O Line was just too damn big.  Pat got what he wanted.

Great season Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on November 21, 2009, 04:44:12 PM
Good game today.  I was definitely impressed by Monmouth.  No one has come close to putting up 21 in one half on the Tommies.  There was no reason to think they wouldn't be able to do so in the 2nd half, and I'm sure Monmouth's success will also translate over to next season.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 21, 2009, 06:14:14 PM
Special teams dug some pretty big holes too scottie.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2009, 09:00:05 PM
You got that right!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TurtleHead on November 21, 2009, 09:47:28 PM
Congrats to Monmouth on a great season.  Too bad it had to end the way it did.

Really has to be a concern for the coaching staff that for the second straight year they failed to score in the second half.  Hopefully they can use this as motivation for next year. 

Perhaps the other coaches in the league can learn something from the game film and try to make Monmouth have to play the first team for over a half. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2009, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: TurtleHead on November 21, 2009, 09:47:28 PM
Really has to be a concern for the coaching staff that for the second straight year they failed to score in the second half.  Hopefully they can use this as motivation for next year. 

I was thinking that since the game went final but didn't want to say it first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 22, 2009, 12:38:03 AM
They are what we thought they were.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2009, 04:48:38 AM
No, they lost to a better team. Monmouth probably beats Lakeland 70-7, as Whitewater did, but they were in a different bracket. IIAC and MIAC champs both lost but the story is going to be MWC champs lose again. Hardly fair when you look at the "seedings".

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2009, 05:32:07 AM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 21, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
I understand its students that do the broadcasting for the game, but this is the same guy from last year. You think there would be some improvement along the way. Almost unbearable to listen to.

They deserved to lose for that reason alone. Can't get any more terribler than that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 22, 2009, 03:21:22 PM
Uhh the um aaa announcer for the the the MWC broad um cast was not the best.  Couple of highlights:

"Tanney passes it to the running back" (commonly referred to as a handoff)
"Brixer breaks a tackle" (i think its pronounced bricker)
"Tracy under center, in the shotgun" (the center must have been off the ball)

I understand it is a student? but this was not his first game of the year but it sounded like his first football game he has ever seen.  dont want to be too harsh but yikes

Good season Monmouth and the rest of the MWC, hopefully the future is bright for the MWC playoff qualifier(s)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Should've muted the video and listened to the D3football.com audio broadcast.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 23, 2009, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Should've muted the video and listened to the D3football.com audio broadcast.

Tried that but both had to run through my Windows Media Player. I'm sure there's a way around it, but I'm not that tech savvy. The D3 guys were great though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 23, 2009, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 23, 2009, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Should've muted the video and listened to the D3football.com audio broadcast.

Tried that but both had to run through my Windows Media Player. I'm sure there's a way around it, but I'm not that tech savvy. The D3 guys were great though.

Download & install another media player, like a VLC Player (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) or Gom Player (http://www.gomlab.com/eng/). I use both (I never use a WMP). Then you can run one with video and one with the audio.  Both are open source (free) and effective.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 23, 2009, 02:23:40 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2009, 05:32:07 AM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 21, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
I understand its students that do the broadcasting for the game, but this is the same guy from last year. You think there would be some improvement along the way. Almost unbearable to listen to.

They deserved to lose for that reason alone. Can't get any more terribler than that.

I was at the game, so luckily I was not subjected to the online announcing.  But I did receive a phone call fairly early in the game commenting on how bad it was...and then reading some of the posts on here about it...I'm starting to understand just how bad it must've been since I'm hearing about/reading it from all angles.

The Roop - On another note, I was disappointed you and the Mt. Monmouth sweathshirt weren't in attendance on Saturday. :D

Congrats to this year's Fighting Scots, both the players and the coaching staff, on another good season!  I'll be looking forward to what the 2010 season--got some holes to be filled on both sides of the ball for sure, but there is plenty of young talent waiting to step up and hopefully the returning players can guide them along the way to a third straight MWC championship!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 23, 2009, 05:18:30 PM
Quote from: BoBo on November 23, 2009, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 23, 2009, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Should've muted the video and listened to the D3football.com audio broadcast.

Tried that but both had to run through my Windows Media Player. I'm sure there's a way around it, but I'm not that tech savvy. The D3 guys were great though.

Download & install another media player, like a VLC Player (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) or Gom Player (http://www.gomlab.com/eng/). I use both (I never use a WMP). Then you can run one with video and one with the audio.  Both are open source (free) and effective.


Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 24, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2009, 04:48:38 AM
Monmouth probably beats Lakeland 70-7, as Whitewater did, but they were in a different bracket.

70-7?  I doubt it  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 24, 2009, 04:50:52 PM
I don't doubt it. Monmouth would have left the starters in the whole game.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 24, 2009, 06:12:49 PM
 ???ya kinda like a losing team that keeps their 1st team just so they can score a late touchdown in a feeble attempt to make a game appear to be more competitive than it is. ;D Sometimes its up to the losing when team to call it a game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 25, 2009, 01:41:55 PM
Congratulations Alex Tanney and all the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy Finalists.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 25, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 25, 2009, 01:41:55 PM
Congratulations Alex Tanney and all the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy Finalists.

I second that.  Alex is the only non-senior in the final ten.  Perhaps that could take a few votes away, but his resume' seems to rank right up there with the rest of 'em.  Quite a recognition either way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mc31 on November 25, 2009, 05:55:16 PM
For anybody who would like to vote for Alex Tanney here is a link directly to the voting page

http://www.d3football.com/frame/eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 27, 2009, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 23, 2009, 02:23:40 PM
The Roop - On another note, I was disappointed you and the Mt. Monmouth sweathshirt weren't in attendance on Saturday. :D

Actually Maverick I saved the "Mt. Monmouth" custom decal for future use. Too long of a trip this time around as I needed to be back early Sunday a.m. to open.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 02, 2009, 08:59:57 AM
Anybody wanna share how they're doing in the playoff pickem race?  I currently stand at 322 of 852 (which is actually an improvement from the first weekend).  I have 5 of the final 8 left. However, putting a "certain team" in the final against the Purple Raiders has done me in.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: PC on December 02, 2009, 10:22:12 AM
not to bring up and old topic, but i missed all of the COY discussion...

I think most coaches would agree with me when I say they spend similar time recrtuiting as they do actually "coaching."  (SNCOLDAD, I'm sure you can attest to the amount of time you son was on the phone with coaches during his senior year of HS as well as all the letters he got...)  So if a coach is able to recruit 11 first team all conference players doesn't that alone earn him strong consideration for COY?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on December 02, 2009, 11:05:56 AM
Does Lawrence have a few coaching position openings?

This is what I found off of Footballscoop.com

Lawrence University: a Division III institution and member of the Midwest Conference invites applications for the full time position of Assistant Football Coach/Recruiting Coordinator. Start date of ASAP. Chartered in 1847, Lawrence University is a nationally recognized liberal arts undergraduate institution located in Appleton, Wisconsin. Responsibilities: The successful candidate must demonstrate effective teaching methods and excellent leadership, role modeling, organizational and interpersonal skills in coaching a position group. Further, the successful candidate must have the ability and computer literacy to manage an effective DIII recruiting plan focusing on the recruitment and retention of student athletes at a highly selective Liberal Arts University. The candidate will report to the Director of Athletics and Recreation and the Head Football Coach. He/she will enthusiastically support the philosophy, mission, and goals of the university and the Department of Athletics.  Specific responsibilities include the overall management of a position group (offensive line is the priority). The recruitment and retention athletic responsibilities will include data collection and management, supervision of mailings and student workers, and recruiting visit management. Additional duties can be assigned by the Athletic Director.  Minimum Qualifications: Bachelor's degree, a demonstrated knowledge of NCAA rules and a commitment to the academic development of student athletes is required. College coaching and recruiting experience preferred. Salary and benefits are competitive and will be commensurate with qualifications and experience.Review of applications will begin immediately.  For full consideration, application materials should be received by December 31, 2009.  Interested candidates should submit a cover letter, resume, and a minimum of three references to:  Chris Howard, Head Football Coach, Lawrence University, 711 E. Boldt Way, Appleton, WI 54912-0599.  Email applications will be accepted for this position at chris.howard@lawrence.edu . Lawrence University is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

Lawrence University: a Division III institution and member of the Midwest Conference invites applications for the full time position of Associate Head Football Coach/Offensive  Coordinator. Start date of ASAP. Chartered in 1847, Lawrence University is a nationally recognized liberal arts undergraduate institution located in Appleton, Wisconsin. Responsibilities: The successful candidate must demonstrate effective teaching methods and excellent leadership along with the role modeling, organizational and interpersonal skills necessary to install and run a successful offense. Further, the successful candidate must have a relentless work ethic regarding the recruitment and retention of student athletes at a highly selective Liberal Arts University. The candidate will report to the Director of Athletics and Recreation and the Head Football Coach. He/she will enthusiastically support the philosophy, mission, and goals of the university and the Department of Athletics. Specific responsibilities include the overall management of the offense, including coaching, player development, and supervision of the offensive staff. Primary out of season duties will include the recruitment and retention of qualified student athletes, and additional duties as assigned by the Athletic Director. Minimum Qualifications: Bachelor's degree, a demonstrated knowledge of NCAA rules and a commitment to the academic development of student athletes is required. College coaching and recruiting experience preferred. Salary and benefits are competitive and will be commensurate with qualifications and experience. Review of applications will begin immediately.  For full consideration, application materials should be received by December 31, 2009.  Interested candidates should submit a cover letter, resume, and a minimum of three references to:  Chris Howard, Head Football Coach, Lawrence University, 711 East Boldt Way, Appleton, WI 54912-0599.  Email applications will be accepted  at chris.howard@lawrence.edu for this position. Lawrence University is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

http://www.footballscoop.com/?cat=24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2009, 08:10:31 AM
Talk of a new conference is heating up.

http://gazetteonline.com/sports/2009/12/02/cornell-may-be-dropping-out-of-the-iowa-conference
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 03, 2009, 10:31:26 AM
Not really much of an "ACM Conference" if nearly half of the ACM schools don't participate.  "Scottie will believe it when he sees it," says Scottie.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2009, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: scottie on December 03, 2009, 10:31:26 AM
Not really much of an "ACM Conference" if nearly half of the ACM schools don't participate.  "Scottie will believe it when he sees it," says Scottie.   ;)

That's the approach I was taking.  The schools looking to proceed with it are really just the MWC teams plus Cornell.  I don't know if it would be a case of Cornell just going back to the MWC as it currently consists.  Or if those 8 schools would go out on their own and then Carroll, Illinois College, and St. Norbert would then be out looking for a new conference.  Would they stick together or all go their seperate ways looking for a new conference?  And where would they go?  UMAC, Northern Athletics Conference, or CCIW???  Or cherry pick schools from other conferences and start another new conference???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 03, 2009, 11:14:51 AM
I found it interesting that SNC was not mentioned in that article also. If they decide to switch or create, I can't believe that they would want IC in the mix. That is their worst trip time wise. I would think that a Carroll, Lakeland, SNC, maybe a Concordia, and throw in a couple others that travel would be acceptable might work out.
The other thing is remember that NAIA could be thrown into the mix in the next couple years. Now what do you do for playoffs?   ???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 03, 2009, 11:17:36 AM
Probably not likely that all of the MWC/ACM institutions are as gung-ho about this as Cornell.  This is not an overnight decision.  (Let's consolidate this conversation to the in-season basketball board, if you wish.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on December 04, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
I doubt if Cornell would just go back to the MWC, I'm assuming their departure from the IIAC would be based on the ACM Conference becoming a reality.  Having watched some Monmouth and St. Norbert football games over the past two seasons, I don't see a move back to the MWC much of a help for Cornell.  Perhaps  the lower half of the MWC is less competitive than the lower half of the IIAC, but the MWC top dogs hold their own with the IIAC top dogs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 07, 2009, 12:18:17 AM
Lawrence has one of the best libraries in the MidWest!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 08, 2009, 12:50:17 PM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 07, 2009, 12:18:17 AM
Lawrence has one of the best libraries in the MidWest!

The annual winter sighting of Bluenote has occured! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 08, 2009, 03:09:41 PM
I am still around.
1. SNC has a new library that is excellent also.
2. Drove by the site of the NEW Green Knight Football Stadium. Ground broken and underground infrastructure is being worked on very hard. EXCITING!!!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 08, 2009, 03:32:15 PM
SNCOLDAD:  Looking forward to learning your true identity when the name of the facility is revealed.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2010, 04:56:15 PM
Just wanted to post on here because no conference should to a full month with nothing to say.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on January 08, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
Hey DBQ. Thanks for waking us up. Most of the serious conference followers are on the b-ball board now. I jump over there once in a while but since football is over, I try to do work for a change.

And I will NOT start a countdown to kick-off 2010.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 08, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
How's the new stadium coming along at St. Norberts???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on January 08, 2010, 10:25:05 PM
I will be up there in a couple weeks and will report back. I assume that with winter set in the progress has slowed down a lot. They wanted to get the underground infrastructure in before the snow and clod. When I was up there last they were going nuts working on all that.

So I think the stadium at St. Norbert (no s) is progressing on schedule as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 09, 2010, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on January 08, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
Hey DBQ. Thanks for waking us up. Most of the serious conference followers are on the b-ball board now. I jump over there once in a while but since football is over, I try to do work for a change.

And I will NOT start a countdown to kick-off 2010.  ;D

I will.  Kick-off  is 30 weeks from today!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 09, 2010, 11:37:22 AM
OOPS!  Make that 34 weeks from today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on January 13, 2010, 09:31:05 PM
Lawrence grad coaching for Blizzard.  Kind of cool. 

http://www.greenbayblizzard.com/NewsDetail.php?ID=329

Anybody got an accurate pronunciation?  I guessed Miller.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on January 28, 2010, 10:42:50 AM
Drove past the new stadium site and expected to see nothing since winter is here. I was surprised. It appears that there is some sort of work going on as there were tracks in and out of the site for trucks. All words are that it is on schedule and it will be open for 2010 season. Not sure how our guys will adjust to a smooth surface.  ;)

I also figure that the days of flyovers during the game may be gone. Maybe we could get the air reserve to do a special one for the opening game.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on February 23, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
Hello!  Is anyone alive on the MWC board? 

My Wartburg Knights open with the Monmouth Fighting Scots next fall.  I guess the  Knights aren't dodging anybody.  I hope we have some talented d-backs on the roster next year.  They'll be busy in that first game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on February 24, 2010, 08:44:55 AM
Hey Warthog, I am around every so often. You should have your hands full in your first game. Of course, we have St. Thomas and we know what they did!!!  First game in our new stadium. Maybe we can surprise some people like we did our first game last year.   ;)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on March 05, 2010, 11:36:02 AM
I noticed that Jeremy Gezella (SNC) and Josh Kraemer (Ripon) are on the newly posted Green Bay Blizzard roster.  Great to see MWC guys still playing at another level.  I know GB moved from Arena affiliation to this IFL and the verdict is still out on that league, but it looks like these guys are playing serious ball with some decorated athletes from DI, DII, and so on.

For grins, I checked the La Crosse Spartans roster, and they too have a QB listed from Ripon.  Never heard of the guy.  RedHawk nation, what's the story on these boys?

http://www.lacrossespartans.com/roster.php
http://www.greenbayblizzard.com/News/2010%20Blizzard%20Roster.pdf 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on March 19, 2010, 11:57:05 PM
Josh Kraemer unofficially won the battle of Ripon alums at the Resch Center tonight.  He looked good on special teams and defense.  Not so sure about Ben Chester, rough game.  Ripon, all 7,420 of ya, do you care at all?  I figure no one else does.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on April 04, 2010, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on January 28, 2010, 10:42:50 AM
Drove past the new stadium site and expected to see nothing since winter is here. I was surprised. It appears that there is some sort of work going on as there were tracks in and out of the site for trucks. All words are that it is on schedule and it will be open for 2010 season. Not sure how our guys will adjust to a smooth surface.  ;)

I also figure that the days of flyovers during the game may be gone. Maybe we could get the air reserve to do a special one for the opening game.  ;D
Drove by the site today...heavy equipment out in force....looking forward to the season opener vs. the Tommies!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on April 27, 2010, 12:46:13 AM
Ben Chester transferred to Ripon after a year of football at Whitewater.  He was on the 100 man frosh/soph team at UWW and the triple option was not the best transfer move for him.  He spent his Ripon days lighting up the defense on scout team.  Played mostly in JV games but had a hell of an arm.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on May 03, 2010, 09:34:23 AM
Polling is open until May 7 on the St. Norbert effort to create a mascot. It will debut at the first home football game at the new stadium.

http://www.snc.edu/mascot/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on May 17, 2010, 08:00:28 AM
The goalposts appear to be in place at Schneider Stadium.  The mental picture is starting to come together.   Looks like the field will run true north-south.  Looking forward to Sept.

Go Knights!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on May 17, 2010, 08:59:39 AM
For those of us not anywhere near the site, can you post a pic or 2 please? I have to start scouting out where ST NORB1 will be setting up for tailgating. :)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on May 24, 2010, 04:59:13 PM
SNCOLDAD,

I have pics for you, but can't post them.  Files are too big.  Any help?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on May 31, 2010, 10:48:22 PM
To all you Green Knight fans,

http://www.snc.edu/athletics/athleticscomplex.html

Updated each Monday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on June 01, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
Excellent. I have not checked there for a while. I am glad to see they are posting updates.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on June 09, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
Yaaaaawnnnnnn.  Scottie loves his hibernation every once in awhile.   :)  Just jumped on because I saw that Tanney received a pre-season All-American honor.  http://www2.monm.edu/sportsinfo/releases/2010/1.football_tanney_preseason_all-american_06-07-10.htm  Hope everyone is enjoying their summer and that construction projects are going well.  It feels nice that the Scots don't have to deal with any construction deadlines this summer.  Hope to get over for a game or two this fall.

Cheers!

Scottie
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lakeshore on June 17, 2010, 09:53:04 AM
interesting topics going on CCIW board about Midwest football powers leaving Midwest Conf for CCIW. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on July 03, 2010, 08:54:17 AM
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100703/GPG0101/7030592/Video-photos-Countdown-to-kickoff
Report on SNC Sports Complex from today's GB Press...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 03, 2010, 09:22:09 AM
Thanks for posting the link. I do not always check the papers for aeticles and I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeME on July 04, 2010, 10:13:22 AM
It seems to me there is alot of buzz around Lawrence-New Coaches on staff.. I heard from some alum that spring ball went very well from the LU golf outting.. The new coaches are coach bartlemess and abhram. as a alum class of 04 its great to see Lu makin noise in the Midwest. Coach Abhram is a young coach on the new staff that dosent shy away from his comments iv heard him saying Lawrence football is going to shock some people this yr-Bullseye on Norbert.. I hope coach abhrams can back it up.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ghostrider on July 04, 2010, 02:07:55 PM
You can't be serious about LU...did you know coach bartlemess was hired the year before as a baseball football asst....and never showed...never told anyone...and 2 year later is the best replacement??? And the abhram already got himself into trouble downtown Appleton..As an alum as well I am diappointed LU has fallen off the wagon as it had..the firing of 2 coaches one of whom was an Alum was nothing ridiculous considering they are not at fault for the way things have gone....Just because you got sweet talked at the Viking Outing doesn;t mean LU can actually back it up...LU lost to Grinnell 42-0...and they are going to surprise?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeME on July 04, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
You seem kinda bitter about something.. You must not have ever played a sport in college-football? both coaches have a solid background. IT just seems to me that this conference is not that strong. Monmouth and Norbert yes are the top dogs but once in the playoffs are one n done. They rest of the league is ok but nuthin compared to the cciw-iiac-wiac. And yes coaches coach And the two that were let go must not have been doin a great job to get let go by LU dont you think? Again u can be a negative and diss your own school, but im proud to say Lu will be a better team this yr.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 04, 2010, 08:02:26 PM
Ah Yes! July is here and the talk starts. Good luck to the nesw coaches. I am sure they will make noise. May not win a game but it sounds like they can make noise of the verbal kind.  ;D
I also love the comments about one and out. Not last year. And remember. It is better to have one and out, than to never have won at all!  ::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 04, 2010, 09:27:43 PM
Quote from: VikeME on July 04, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
You must not have ever played a sport in college-football?

If only former collegiate-level players were allowed to be fans of college football, the stands would be pretty empty.

Coaches should stick to coaching, though, and let the fans stick to the message boards.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 04, 2010, 09:30:46 PM
The D3 article about the new stadium sounds like the Green Knights will have a really nice place to call home.  Hopefully my Orange Knights will have a chance to see the new joint during the playoffs later this fall.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 04, 2010, 09:38:29 PM
Pat, thank you. Always love your comments.

Warthog. Great to hear from you again. And I would love to see you again this year in the playoffs at the new stadium. Stay in touch and let me know if our paths will cross this year again.

As much as I hate to say it though, I have to admit. The Conference Championship goes through Monmouth this year. They earned it last year and with schedule re-alignment we get to make the trip to Monmouth again this year. But that will make the victory even sweeter.

But I will not look past the opening non-con game. I think that could be a real barn burner of a game. Hope so.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 04, 2010, 09:57:55 PM
I'm not sure what Coach Barthelmess brings to the table for Lawrence.  Even though Principia wasn't a hot bed of college football, it isn't like he got run out of the head job based on poor coaching.  When your team is disbanded you don't have much choice.  A man with head coaching experience should be a valuable addition to any D3 program even if that experience came at Principia.

Abram apparently was a player at the University of Dubuque for the 2004 to 2007 seasons.  He would have been part of a 17-23 record during that time.  The Spartans went from 2-8 in 2004 to 7-3 in 2007.  He should know something about what it takes to turn a program around.

As someone looking from the outside, it appears Lawrence may have done very well picking up these two coaches.  I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 05, 2010, 09:52:50 AM
Well Lawrence will have plenty of opportunity to show their stuff early. I see they are playing their non-con the 1st weekend of the season like the rest of the Midwest. Good move to get prepared for conference play. Knox at home for their 1st con match then Monmouth at home. they then travel to SNC. The big thing about this game is it will be the first home conference game for SNC in the new facility. If Lawrence doesn't show something at home against Knox, it could be another long season for them.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 05, 2010, 11:48:53 AM
Ok, I'm back.  Haven't posted since before Monmouth's game against St. Thomas last year.  I was obviously disappointed and decided it would be better to keep my mouth shut, rather than cause trouble.

But, I'm back now.  Seeing people talk about Lawrence football this much must mean MWC fans are really ready to start talking football again.

Can MC defend after losing most (if not all, i cant remember) of their o-line?  I'm pretty sure I know what the coaching staff's stance is on the term "defend".  They hate the word and I know the Scots will hear all preseason that they aren't defending anything, and last year was last year, and they must win a new conf. championship.  Yes, Tanney is back but he's lost some weapons (o-line, rb bricker, wrs wright and wantland).  The defense should be improved though as I believe they only lose 3 starters.  They must improve too if they wanna compete with the big boys in the playoffs (ex: St. Thomas game).


How's everyone else feel about their teams going in?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 05, 2010, 11:55:38 AM
btw:

i feel like i should add this.  I'm not blaming the defense for losing last yr.  It was a team loss.  The MC offense has to learn how to score when it counts.  Should your offense be that highly touted if they haven't put up one lousy point in the second half of their last two playoff games?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeMe on July 05, 2010, 09:37:12 PM
U are correct, Monmouth is sitting on top of the conference.. A great qb is returning which makes them the #1 team. Myself and family are excited to make the drive up to appleton to that game. Monmouth and Nobert back to back that is going to be a real test. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 07, 2010, 09:51:08 AM
I predict if the Vikings start off the league season with wins over Knox, SNC, and Monmouth, then they will punch their ticket into the playoffs.   :D  On the other hand, if they start 0-3, then they better have won that big St. Scholastica game.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCAlum97 on July 07, 2010, 12:33:02 PM
Wha'ts the status on Pratt this year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeMe on July 07, 2010, 12:43:34 PM
To Scottie.. U are very true and saying that if LU dont win vs st.. schdjdfjdj lol it will be a long a year for the Vikes..But if LU does start off 3-0 just for instance do you think LU will have a chance at contending for the conference?  I have much respect for Monmouth-Norbert not so much!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 07, 2010, 12:50:16 PM
The talking starts!!!  And why would you not respect SNC as much?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeMe on July 07, 2010, 04:41:23 PM
Yes it is July everybody in the midwest conference is getting ready-My Respect goes to the top dog and rite now thats the scots..Very classy program under coach Bell. Norbert I just dont respect them simple as that..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 07, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
I think the saying is something like, "Respect all, fear none."  And, yes, if LU would start off 3-0, I'd consider them a MWC contender.  The term longshot comes to mind, but I may be wrong.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeMe on July 07, 2010, 08:52:48 PM
That is very tru.. Im very sure that LU will atleast have 5-6 wins this yr, one being vs Norbert and those Ripon pigeons lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 07, 2010, 09:08:36 PM
Hey Scottie. It sounds to me like VikeMe Fears All, Respects One!    ;)

VikeMe, as far as winning against SNC, to quote a phrase from the movie "Taken",........  Good Luck!

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeMe on July 07, 2010, 09:41:34 PM
Sure thing!! as in Taken I will find Norbert and... well u know what daddy did to them guys afta rite?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on July 08, 2010, 02:50:33 PM
2010 is not the year the Larrys will see multiple MWC wins.

I hear Ripon is building a permanent case for the Doehling-Heselton trophy....Lawrence still knows what that is right?? its been awhile
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeMe on July 08, 2010, 03:23:32 PM
RedMen ??? does the town of ripon even have a walmart..That town is like deliverance lol ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 08, 2010, 09:34:18 PM
I think I remember a K-Mart when I drove through there over the weekend. Does that count?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: VikeMe on July 08, 2010, 10:34:59 PM
hick, lol thats sad.. that says alot bout a town where you gotta drive 2hrs away to buy a dvd from redbox..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on July 08, 2010, 11:35:06 PM
so i guess there is no redbox in appleton, de pere, waukesha or beloit if someone has to drive 2 hours....lol

i suppose when you are that bad at football you worry about those things (ie: wal-marts and redboxes)

To quote a wise source: "Good Luck"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 08, 2010, 11:37:15 PM
Still think an assistant coach's time is better spent getting the team better rather than posting on a message board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 09, 2010, 08:48:02 AM
OUTSTANDING COMMENT PAT!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on July 10, 2010, 03:42:49 PM
That guy is an assistant coach? Ouch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 12, 2010, 01:52:14 AM
If that's true that explains a lot about LU's football program recently.  Not all their sports teams are that way though.  Hopefully for their sake someone with better judgment in that athletic dept. gets in his ear, because that's a coach who doesn't know what it takes yet.  Getting on a public message board as a coach and dissing other schools isn't gonna win you football games, it's simply a distraction.

On another note I do enjoy that we're talking football again.  Sncoldad and Redmen09 - How's the gknights and redhawks look this year? Hungry?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 12, 2010, 09:27:07 AM
Let me make one thing VERY CLEAR. I am nothing but a parent. I do not speak for the team or represent the feelings of the coaching staff or team. I will not try to do their job as I would suspect they do not want to do mine.

From what I can tell, they are very excited about the new stadium. A lot of talk about that. The uperclassman seem to be working real hard and will be ready for camp to open. How ready the coaching staff will judge.

My personal feeling is that the Midwest Conference Championship goes through Monmouth. I did not like the schedule shake up and have to go there again this year, but that is how it falls sometimes.

How will they do? I am biased and will admit it. I think the NCAA took a tourney birth away from them last year that they deserved. Others on this board will agree. Some won't. Yes they are hungry. They have been shown that scheduling a strong non-con team does not help on selection day. So that leaves them one alternative. And that is to do what they do best. Win Conference.

I have no doubt that is what Monmouth and Ripon are also saying. Other teams also, but they are looking to improve in reality and over the next few years be a solid contender.

But the one thing I always keep in the back of my mind is injuries. I remember it well and know how it can affect the team at times.

Good luck to all.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on July 12, 2010, 01:48:46 PM
As a Ripon alum and now fan, I will give the same disclamer that SNCOLDAD gave.  My views are my own and dont represent the team.  Having said that now I can say anything I want, and not have it relfect the team.

I am excited to see how the pre-season camp goes this year for Ripon.  There is a large freshman class that comes in and puts depth at positions that were thin in the past (QB, RB). 

The returning starters number for off/def will be misleading as most of the projected starters this year split time last year, so that will be good for game time experience.  There are only one or two players that havent had a lot of min in the past.

The 2010 season has some big ? marks this year which will determine the fate of the season.  The new schedule will be interesting, as they play Wisconsin Lutheran this year instead of UW-O (should get one more win, but will it hurt them in the long run?)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on July 13, 2010, 11:52:17 PM
If only you played Wisc. Luth. in 2008.  You would've been in the playoff discussion.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Trivia:  Who was the last college football team to play a game at Lambeau Field?

The answer is at the bottom of this article......

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5383940
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 15, 2010, 07:48:55 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Trivia:  Who was the last college football team to play a game at Lambeau Field?

The answer is at the bottom of this article......

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5383940

It could have been Wisconsin. A third-party offered Fresno State $1 Million to move their game against Wisconsin from the San Fernando Valley to Lambeau back in 2007 or 2008. They turned it down since there was talk this could be a BCS-buster team for them and they didn't want to give Wisconsin a pseudo-home game to ruin a possible Bulldogs perfect record.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 19, 2010, 03:43:18 PM
I am new to the site, new to the state (Illinois), new to the conference, and new to D3 football, alltogether.  But I now find myself a passionate IC Blueboy fan.  I only spent a little while looking over the past posts, but I sure don't see much Blueboy representation. 

I guess my question is; does anyone else see the new energy and direction of this program?  Is there any love out there for my new favorite team?  Do they stand a chance? The talent their bringing in is on the rise.   

Somebody bring me up to speed.  I'm predicting in the next 2 years, there'll be a few more of my people jumping on board.  I hope so, anyway.  I hope to hear from y'all.  You'll be hearing from me...  Go Blue!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 19, 2010, 04:31:32 PM
Welcome btnt. It will be great having representation from the southern blue vs. the northern blue. (Lawrence) You are correct, not much from IC on this board. It would be great to see others join in. It will start picking up here with representation from Beloit, Ripon, Lawrence, Monmouth, SNC, Carroll. Once in a while a Lake Forest, Knox and Grinnell but not as often.

One of the longest posters is a Beloit fan.

As far as how IC will do this year? You tell us. Why are you new to Illinois and a new fan of IC? give us a little background on yourself.

All are welcome. The biggest thing is respect others and there will be plenty who want to converse once the season is a little closer.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 20, 2010, 12:41:19 AM
blu thru n thru:

Welcome on board.  Based on your initial post I hope you are not a new IC football player.  If you are, I would suggest you find a new place to hang out.  Players posting here just isn't a very good idea.

Then again coaches posting is an equally bad idea.  Perhps someone can tell me who is suspected of being a coach.  I sorted back through old posts and couldn't be sure which poster was the person thought to be a coach.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 20, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
Hey Warthog. How is the summer going for you. Are you going to Monmouth and beat up on those guys opening day?

To attempt to answer your question, I think VikeMe is the one Pat was referring to. At least that is my take.

How are the Knights looking this year? You guys had a rough one last year. I know. We were no help in that department. And you didn't help us the rest of the year. :)

Hope you are doing well and maybe we will see each other again this year.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 20, 2010, 08:34:01 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome.  Happy to share my reasons for interest.  My son is a QB.  We are from Spring, Texas.  He will be a freshman @ IC.  I'm a coach, but only for pee-wee here in Texas.  But heck, we (Texas) even take pee-wee more serious than we should...

We chose IC over several MC schools.  Coming down to beteen Monmouth & IC.  Both were great visits, coaches, and schools.  IC won out b/c he really connected with the coach. 

It was really kinda funny how the MC schools get after it in recruiting.  It showed the level rand intensity of competition in the conference.  It felt a little like Texas HS and college ball.  Other D2 & D3 conferences were not nearly as aggressive, by and large.  If you're at all familiar with Texas HS ball, you know why that was important. 

We're really excited about him attending the school.  Wish it was about 1000 miles further south.  But we're loaded up with Blueboy gear, and ready to travel!

As for my reasons for optimism...  Well, I don't have much to compare to (being new), but I can tell you as somewhat a student of the game, and coaching, I know charasmatic leadership and genuine enthusiasm.  Coach Campbell is/has both.  He's brought in talent from Florida, Alabama, NY, Cali, and Texas.  We've met several of them and they're players...  This is a product of the new energy the staff is bringing to the Blueboy program.  I'm not saying we're gonna take the title this year, but I do think there's a positive direction and will make some noise in the coming years. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on July 20, 2010, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 20, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
To attempt to answer your question, I think VikeMe is the one Pat was referring to. At least that is my take.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

I was assuming he was talking about VikeMe also.  You all know how i feel about LU so I'll leave it at that.

Blu thru and thru-
Good to have another perspective coming from the south besides those crazy Monmouth fans :D
You'll see that we'll be outnumbered pretty quick as soon as they all wake up
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 20, 2010, 03:35:35 PM
I look forward to hearing from them.  And anyone else.  It's real easy to wave the banner when you're on top.  And it would appear, they are.  We'll see what they're about when the tide turns.

I was excited when I found this board.  I enjoy the banter, and that there's real rivalry makes me feel he picked the right place to play.  Even though the stadiums are kinda small (his HS stadium held 10K), it sounds like game days are an event.  It'll be even more fun for me when I get the lay of the land and the Blue is competing for the conference title.  For the time being, I am lacking in experience, history, and ammo.

Thanks again for the welcome.  Can't wait for the season to start!  Now I got the Blueboys and the Horns!  Hook'em!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 20, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
Welcome to the world of D3 btnt.  You will have a fun time over the next 4 years.  The MWC board tends to be a bit slower than some others.  They tend to wait until the season has started.  I think if you help bring some friends in here and get some discussions going you can bring them out of hibernation though. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 21, 2010, 04:51:27 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 20, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
Hey Warthog. How is the summer going for you. Are you going to Monmouth and beat up on those guys opening day?

To attempt to answer your question, I think VikeMe is the one Pat was referring to. At least that is my take.

How are the Knights looking this year? You guys had a rough one last year. I know. We were no help in that department. And you didn't help us the rest of the year. :)

Hope you are doing well and maybe we will see each other again this year.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS


SNCOLDAD:  Yes, last year was a tough year for my Orange Knights.  A 6-4 record and 3rd place in the conference race was the worst finish in nearly two decades.  I don't think you will see that happen again.  Rumor has it that the quarterback problem has been solved and with last year's team being one of the youngest and most inexperienced the Knights have had in many years, maybe things will be back to normal at Wartburg next season.  Playing Monmouth right out of the chute should give the Wartburg faithful some idea how good we will be.  I am a little confused why some of the national rankings have Wartburg in the top 25.  Ranked or not, I imagine the defensive shortcomings of last year will have been addressed in the off season.  That has been a hallmark of Wartburg success since Coach Willis' arrival. Don't look for the defense to roll-over two years in a row.

It should be a fun year at Wartburg .  They are having a season long celebration of  75 years of Knights Football.  The season opener against Monmouth is a kickoff to the celebration.  A long run into the playoffs would be a great way to end the celebration.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 21, 2010, 08:32:42 AM
Thanks Doo.  I just sent links and invites to two of the new OOS parents I met at orientation.  One from Bama and one from Fl.  The one from Bama is an Auburn fan, so I'm okay with her.  (Still think my Horns win if Colt plays the entire game, but I'll get past that in about 10 years, or so). 

I figure the best way to raise our game at IC, is to raise awareness of, and participation in, the program with the entire fan base.  Past & present.  We want to get in now so when the Blue wins the conference in 2 years, we don't look like bandwagoners...

Sure, right now, my game is kinda week with a 5-5 record, but I'll bring it when we knock off the Scots in 2011 ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 21, 2010, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 21, 2010, 08:32:42 AM
......... but I'll bring it when we knock off the Scots in 2011 ;D

An astute MWC fan, who already knows when Tanney graduates!  Good call!!   ;)  Welcome to the board, kind sir.  I'm sorry your son didn't decide to join the powerhouse Scots and the collegiate paradise that is MC.  But it sounds like the IC coaching staff is focusing on building the profile of a smaller, northern version of the SEC/Big 12 on their roster.  Time will tell if he's playing for a MWC crown or that of some other conference in four years.  But I digress.... 

 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 21, 2010, 12:45:37 PM
It's an interesting comment you make about the "powerhouse Scots".  They are truly that (for now).  That actually played a big role in his decision.  Believe it or not, at one time he was being courted by several D1's.  Long story and I won't digress...  One was SMU.  Though it was the smallest of the lot, it was his clear #1.  June Jones had just taken over.  Jamie was really pumped about being part of something that was being built, rather than something already established.

MC was a great visit.  The coach was really cool.  The school and administration was spectacular.  Nothing not to like.  But the idea of being part of building something was a major factor in his decision.  The other was the connection he made with Coach Campbell. 

As for the timing on my call, it was more about this staff and their system having the time to take hold.  Who is this Tanney guy, anyway? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 21, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
Now you have done it. scottie is going to go on and on about what's his name.

blu, never do that again.


;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 21, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
Just firing one across the bow to see what happens.  I get a pass on this one since I'm new...  Now you got me kinda expecting a William Wallace "He's 7' tall and shoots lightning bolts out his..." reply.  Actually, I've seem a fair amount of film on him.  He's a player!  No doubt deserving of all the acolades.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 21, 2010, 04:03:02 PM
He's only 6'5"...6'6.125" in his cleats.   ;)

Blu - Don't mind snCOLDad.  All you have to know about this wall is to set an alarm to go off every 24 hours and give me a Karma point.  Also, since you've converted to the Land of Lincoln, it's better around here to root for the Illini and Bears over the Badgers and Packers. 

:)   ;)   :D   ;D   :)   ;)   :D   ;D   :)   ;)   :D   ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 21, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
Your attention to his measurables is a bit alarming!  But maybe that how y'all role up there...  Seriously though, do you think he's gonna get any Sunday invites?

As it happens, I was born in Chicago.  But I got to Texas as quick as I could.  Been here most of my life.  Still have family in the northern part of IL.  Between the teams you mentioned, I'd easily say that we're in sync.  However, next to my beloved Blueboys, the Horns are my passion.  Not too into pro football.  HS football is the other main interest.  But I no longer have a dog in that fight.  Still like to go to the games.  If you haven't seen Texas 5A football, you haven't seen HS football!  I've coached pee-wee for 15 years and will continue.  Even pee-wee is a big deal here.

Not ready to convert.  Just visiting...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2010, 12:51:11 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 21, 2010, 08:32:42 AM
I figure the best way to raise our game at IC, is to raise awareness of, and participation in, the program with the entire fan base.  Past & present.  We want to get in now so when the Blue wins the conference in 2 years, we don't look like bandwagoners...

Make sure you send those people over here, too. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 22, 2010, 09:12:04 AM
btnt, I 2nd Pat's suggestion. This has been great for this board. I am wondering if you plan on making all the games. some, none this year, etc. That is a long trip. Road games? If you make it to SNC, I will defenitely buy you one at tailgating. :)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 22, 2010, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 21, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
  Seriously though, do you think he's gonna get any Sunday invites?


I imagine that he might make a little money throwing the ball, my guess is that most Sunday invites will be to different churches.  His brother has played QB in the arena league, so some sort of pro ball might be in the future.  His numbers and his DIII credentials (including POY http://www2.monm.edu/sportsinfo/releases/2010/1.football_tanney_melberger_presentation_02-14-10.htm) are off the charts, but only a handful of DIII players get sniffs at "the league" each year.  Speed and weight/strength are probably the key concerns. Although, after losing two All-American OLs, his mobility and elusiveness might get more opportunities for display this year.   

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 22, 2010, 11:56:20 AM
It's killing me to miss even practices, let alone games.  This year, we're planning to attend the 9/18 game vs. Lake Forest (Family day & coincidentally my kid's BD), 10/16 game vs. Knox (Homecoming), and 11/6 vs. Beloit (final regular season).  Of course, we'll schedule and attend all playoff games not wanting to miss the Blueboys unprecidented and unexpected march to the D3 title (that's for you, Scottie).

We're limiting our travel this year as I don't anticipate he'll play much.  They have a senior starter and I appreciate the coach's loyalty.  If he gets PT, fine.  If he can win the job next year, heck, I'd probably rent an appartment and move there for the season... 

I'll take you up on the tailgating offer and look forward to meeting some of the players on this board.  This board has been an awesome discovery for me.  Knowing nothing about D3, or the conference, I was worried there'd be little following or enthusiasm.  I have tried to enlist some new players to rally some more support for the Blues.  My son's team made it to last year's 5A state semi's.  It was not predicted early on in the season.  It was rewarding, for all of us who were on the boards early, to be able to serve up the crow (that was for you too, Scottie).   ;D


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
Tanney is a great player (he wouldn't be our preseason first team quarterback otherwise), but the Melberger has zero credibility since about 2001.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 22, 2010, 02:42:51 PM
 ???  Thanks for the backhand, Pat.  They must have liked him last year for all of the opposite reasons than why you like him this year. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 22, 2010, 02:47:44 PM
What are karma points?  How do you get them?  How does Pat have so many, and Scottie so few?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 22, 2010, 03:05:14 PM
b-thru:  If you like what somebody has posted, you can give them a Karma point on the left side to show them you approve.  If you don't like what they say, "smite" them.

I'd love to answer the second part of your question in depth, but I don't want the Scots to mysteriously slip out of the Top 25 before the season even begins!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on July 22, 2010, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
Tanney is a great player (he wouldn't be our preseason first team quarterback otherwise), but the Melberger has zero credibility since about 2001.

WOW...i never even heard of the Melberger award till it was mentioned on this board. I had to do some digging (not very far though). and I found this article (http://www.d3football.com/columns/melberger.htm) you wrote a few years ago on it. after reading it, i thought how pathetic it is (the award..not your article  ;) )
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 22, 2010, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: scottie on July 22, 2010, 03:05:14 PM
b-thru:  If you like what somebody has posted, you can give them a Karma point on the left side to show them you approve.  If you don't like what they say, "smite" them.

I'd love to answer the second part of your question in depth, but I don't want the Scots to mysteriously slip out of the Top 25 before the season even begins!   ;)

Scottie is correct, but don't bother looking for those 'buttons' yet - a poster doesn't get 'applaud' or 'smite' privileges until they have 200 posts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2010, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: scottie on July 22, 2010, 02:42:51 PM
???  Thanks for the backhand, Pat.  They must have liked him last year for all of the opposite reasons than why you like him this year. 

Who is the "they" behind the Melberger award? What's the national committee? It's just a bunch of people in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., handing out an award. It's no surprise that it went to a Wilkes running back twice and to two Hartwick quarterbacks who were never All-Americans, AFCA or D3football.com.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 22, 2010, 04:19:02 PM
scottie, good to see your karma in the positive this year.  ::)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 22, 2010, 04:39:50 PM
Thanks sncoldad.  I think my Karma actually went up a few points during the off season while I was in hibernation.  Still waiting for your real identity to be revealed once I find out the naming gift behind the new stadium.    :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 22, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
My education continues.  Just read about the Melberger droping the ball.  Good article Pat.  That trophy sat in the conference small room during our visit.  Now I know...

All this back and forth is really getting me pumped up for the season.  Football camp starts on 8/12 (my BD.  Don't feel compelled to get me anything).  I've been relating the dialog to Jamie.  He's getting jacked.  Is there a time when we start soliciting and posting predictions? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on July 22, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on July 20, 2010, 12:30:10 PM
Good to have another perspective coming from the south besides those crazy Monmouth fans :D
You'll see that we'll be outnumbered pretty quick as soon as they all wake up

Redmen09 - You got another one of us crazy Monmouth fans woke up now!  ;D

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 22, 2010, 04:19:02 PM
scottie, good to see your karma in the positive this year.  ::)

SNCOLDAD - Give him time--I'm sure it'll drop back down soon enough. ;)

scottie - Can you believe an IC poster has gotten this much talk generated on the board in just a few days?!  :D

Just kidding a little there, btnt...welcome to the boards and D3 Football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 22, 2010, 08:21:59 PM
Glad I could contribute.  As I am just getting started here, I have to ask, are we that rare?  I'm sure more will join soon enough.  Until then, I'll just keep fighting the good fight on my own.  I may not know my history, but I know what's coming. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 22, 2010, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 22, 2010, 08:21:59 PM
Glad I could contribute.  As I am just getting started here, I have to ask, are we that rare?  I'm sure more will join soon enough.  Until then, I'll just keep fighting the good fight on my own.  I may not know my history, but I know what's coming. 

Keep up the good fight.  With your first post, I forgot which board I was on and thought you were a Millikin (Big Blue) poster - generally the missing link in the CCIW! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2010, 10:11:51 PM
Hah -- when he registered I thought he was an Eau Claire (Blugolds) fan. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 08:24:56 AM
In the coming years, there'll be no mistaking which blue is true!  Blueboy Nation will rise up and claim what's yours!  Remember where you heard it! I am but the point of the spear...

Morning is MY time, but I think I may have had too much caffiene...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 23, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
blu, no matter whether you are joined by others or not, I again will say welcome. You have made this board WAKE UP from its nap.

For that I thank you.

But I still think that you need to make a trip to Green Bay in early October. The leaves will be starting to turn, a chill in the air, and possibly a snowflake or two could make an appearance.  :D


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 09:04:38 AM
No.  Seriously.  I'm getting a headache and will claim no knowledge of the last post if we don't win the conference in the next 3 years ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 09:22:24 AM
You do realize that I'm not only from Texas, but Houston, Texas.  Not Dallas!  Heck that's just the southern part of Oklahoma.  And you don't wanna get me started on Oklahoma!  Leaves turning? What is this of which you speak?  I dunno, but I suspect it happens when the pine needles collect on my still green lawn.  Chill in the air?  We get that here when we're golfing in Jan-Feb and it gets into the 40's.  Snow?  We did our visit to J-ville & Monmouth in February.  Saw all I needed... 

Kidding aside, I will give your invite very serious consideration.  If my kid is playing, this year or any other, I'll be there!  That will likely not happen this year.  And I am assuming nothing for the following (other than he'll compete for it, and he's well equipped for the competition).  But when I make my trips, all will know.  Do y'all cook brats like I hear about?  I love those things!  Lastly, you (and the rest of the posters) gotta return the favor and make a trip to the thriving metropolis of Jacksonville, Il.  Don't know the tailgating scene yet, but I'll figure a way to get a BBQ pit staged there and I'll hook up some real Texas BBQ, chili, Mexican (fajitas), and Cajun speciaties.  It's well known in the area that I can cook.  And when we meet in person, you'll have little doubt that I can eat, too.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 23, 2010, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2010, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: scottie on July 22, 2010, 02:42:51 PM
???  Thanks for the backhand, Pat.  They must have liked him last year for all of the opposite reasons than why you like him this year. 

Who is the "they" behind the Melberger award? What's the national committee? It's just a bunch of people in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., handing out an award. It's no surprise that it went to a Wilkes running back twice and to two Hartwick quarterbacks who were never All-Americans, AFCA or D3football.com.

I compared the lists over the past decade and they seem to be generally acceptable (ie. agreeing with Pat Coleman) about half the time.  Not Tanney's fault that their system was a little localized a few years ago.  But thank you for blowing whistles and throwing sand.   Of course, I'm sure you'll have the last word.....



Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 09:22:24 AM
And when we meet in person, you'll have little doubt that I can eat, too.


I'm picturing a man of rather impressive proportions wearing an IC jersey with BIGGEN' across the back and a blue/white ten gallon hat!   :D    Blu, you are just what this board needed.  Can't wait until The Roop gets off of his deer stand (I know the season doesn't begin until Sept. 18, but do you think The Roop cares about rules?) and gets involved in the conversation. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 11:13:31 AM
And as previously expressed, the board is just what I needed.  Texas HS ball sets the bar pretty high in terms of its ability to satisfy the football crazed masses her in the state.  2 years ago when my kid was ranked in Rivals Lone Star 100 (admittedly at # 100), a pretty prestigious list considering the talent in the state, and as our mailbox filled up with invites, etc., I'd have never imagined anything but D1.  Until recently, it did not appear that good fortune was not on our side. But we've come to believe that all things happen for a reason.  And that reason is that IC was/is where Jamie is supposed to be.

I've had fun the past several days getting acquainted with everyone.  I'm here for the long haul and looking forward to meeting folks at the games!  My kid wants to make a difference at IC.  Though that difference will be far more pleasing to Blueboy Nation, that the rest of y'all. ;D

Oh, sorry to disappoint.  No 10G hat, no boots, no big buckle (that's for those posers in Dallas).  Ball cap (IC), shorts, and sandalls.  But impressively proportioned, oh yeah! Who's Roop?


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 23, 2010, 11:40:52 AM
Hey btnt,  I think this high school stadium isn't too far from you.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.ning.com%2Ffiles%2F-Cg9WqSfqCYiS9PqiD6F82kmrtRIuL3IwjR%2AFSywDNh0ewzAyhV%2AjhzjsBUDtviaDcXHCapKqNvd6MtyAWWgi0W4kmBPLLDU%2FBerryCenterCypressISDusethis.jpg%3Fwidth%3D400&hash=4b5cf7b2167c93609c748b50f3a53e85a4fc7b16)

A little different world in the MWC from what you will find in Texas HS football, but you should be able to have some fun road trips over the next few years.  And your son will get a great education along with his opportunity to keep playing football.  And he will gain some friends he will keep for a life time. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 23, 2010, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 11:13:31 AM
Oh, sorry to disappoint.  No 10G hat, no boots, no big buckle (that's for those posers in Dallas).  Ball cap (IC), shorts, and sandalls. 

The shorts and sandals may work from early to middle September, but I think you should invest in some Carhart gear for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 23, 2010, 11:59:04 AM
blu, you are in for a REAL TREAT when you meet The Roop!  I actually am surprised he has not jumped in yet. Must have lost his broadband signal from the deer stand or fishing boat. :)

D1 sure sounds great until.... you become part of D3.. I love it and recommend it to anyone I know.

Brats are always on the menu. Cheese curds, beer and bloddy mary's.

Oh, and so you know. I am not a cheesehead. I am a FIB or a flatlander as my friends from the north say. :)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 12:08:18 PM
Now I gotta ask.  How'd you know about "The Berry"?  We played there twice last year. It's 20 minutes from the house.  It's truly the Mecca of HS football. Seatbacks and cupholders, jumbotrons!  Are you kidding me?  Even for here, that's impressive.   More and more school districts are creating these type places.  It's crazy.  They are in the process of remodeling our stadium with a 2 story pressbox, expansion to 10K capacity, and other upgrades, but it's nothing like The Berry

All the reasons you mention are to what I was referring when I mentioned our new perspective on why things happened the way they did and we found ourselves at IC.  Thanks! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 23, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: scottie on July 23, 2010, 09:56:21 AM
I compared the lists over the past decade and they seem to be generally acceptable (ie. agreeing with Pat Coleman) about half the time.  Not Tanney's fault that their system was a little localized a few years ago.  But thank you for blowing whistles and throwing sand.   Of course, I'm sure you'll have the last word.....

If half the time they are not even "generally acceptable" (your words), then how credible can it be? That's all I'm trying to say.

A national award should have a national selection committee. The Wilkes-Barre Touchdown Club Player of the Year award lacks that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 23, 2010, 05:58:13 PM
Had to Google Carhart. Don't know what flat lander's or FIB's are. I gotta admit "cheese curd" scares me a bit. But then again, I don't imagine "mud bugs" or tripe sound too apetizing to those less familiar. For that matter, I didn't know what Blueboy was and now I'm wearing the t-shirt.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 24, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
Dang, Pat! I didn't realize I was in the presence of greatness. So here I am reading my copy of the USA Today's College Football Preview, and who do I see as one of the major contributor???  Nice work!  A fellow Longhorn fan bought it for me. What a great read! Of course, there was a minor oversight as the Blueboys failed to make the list of ranked teams. I'm sure that ommission you not occur next year...   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 24, 2010, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 23, 2010, 11:59:04 AM

Oh, and so you know. I am not a cheesehead. I am a FIB or a flatlander as my friends from the north say. :)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS

If we like you, like SNCOLDAD, then you can be a Flatlander!  ;)

A "FIB" is Wisconsin slang for "f***** Illinois bast***." It's the short-handed way to refer to a Bears/Cubs fan from the place with those stupid tolls and corrupt politicians.

Flatlanders refers to that great expanse of flat space between Chicago and anywhere else (ie that interstate drive to St. Louis or Memphis). It may not be as flat as Kansas or Nebraska, but compared to Wisconsin - where we have some bumps for skiing - it is indeed pretty flat.

Us "cheeseheads" - those from Wisconsin - think these terms are very funny, but also have absolutely no problem going to Chicago for the museums (Shedd, Field, S&I), shopping, Great America, etc. ... 

Actually, despite the name calling, the Cheeseheads, FIBs and Puddlejumpers (that would be the folks from Minnesota) are a lot more alike than different. Even if we don't admit it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 24, 2010, 01:18:17 PM
Thanks for the explanation. Down here we have only one name for all of the above. Yankees. A yankee is anyone from Dallas, north.

I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as quick as I could...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 24, 2010, 05:02:55 PM
My friend from Crystal Lake always told me that FIB meant "Friendly Illinois Buddy".  Lying sack of ****.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 24, 2010, 10:07:41 PM
That's what we tell you to your face... I may get in trouble for letting the secret out!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2010, 10:09:49 PM
Blu:

Yes -- I worked for USA Today publications for more than a decade and I still contribute annually to their college football preview publication.

Glad you got to read it. I'm sure next year you'll be able to buy it yourself. At least, that's what my editor would probably want me to say. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 25, 2010, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2010, 10:09:49 PM

Glad you got to read it. I'm sure next year you'll be able to buy it yourself. At least, that's what my editor would probably want me to say. :)

Perhaps. My daughter graduates from THE University of Texas (I'm proud to say) this December.  That should free up the cap space to allow for such extravagances...  But then again, IC ain't exactly community college tuition and I'm saving my money for all the travel to take in the games.  I gotta check out cheese curd.  (They really could have given it a better name.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 25, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 23, 2010, 11:59:04 AM
blu, you are in for a REAL TREAT when you meet The Roop!  I actually am surprised he has not jumped in yet. Must have lost his broadband signal from the deer stand or fishing boat. :)

Nope, just busy playing FrontierVille. The WI DNR has ruined deer hunting to the point that I haven't bought a license in two years. 10 years ago we had too many, now we are looking at the possibility of closed seasons in certain areas due to low populations. Way to go guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on July 25, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
Ripon has posted the new roster and preview

http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2010/2010_Football_Roster.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on July 25, 2010, 08:38:18 PM
Carroll's roster is posted as well, though numbers have not been given out it doesn't look like.

http://athletics.carrollu.edu/sports/roster.asp?teamid=368
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 25, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Roop! Good to hear from you. We need to catch up some time. But make sure you intro yourself to Blu. Another pround father, just for the wrong team.  ;)

Also, the stadium is coming along real good. I hope to post a couple pices in 3 weeks when I am up there. In the meantime, check out the SNC Athletic web page.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
SNC- Thanks for the introduction.  Looked up cheese curds. I was a little unsure.  If for no other reason than the name.  However, I see that they can be deep fried.  Now we're talkin'!  I'm from a place where we deep fry steak, turkeys, and even ice cream.

Roop, sorry to hear that deer season is a bust.  It's religion here.  Politicians would be voted out if similar restrictions were enacted, here.  From 11/1-1/16, I must schedule my sub-contract installations around it.  I don't hunt, but my freezer is always full of the many varieties of venison.  So that's cool.

Wrong team?  Funny, I don't see it that way.  Perhaps it's early yet, but  I ain't seeing much from my IC brethren.  Maybe they haven't had much to talk about.  That is gonna change.  I am proclaiming myself as the leader of Blueboy Nation (on this board).  Should a more historically deserving, and/or rightful heir emerge, I will quickly relinquish the throne. I am declaring that this is the dawn of a new day for IC Blueboy football, and putting the existing powers on notice.  I've seen the future.  Coach Campbell is brigning a new attitiude, level of talent, and work ethic to the hilltop.  His commitment is being matched by the administration.  Get ready boys!  Things are gonna get interesting in the next couple years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 26, 2010, 11:29:53 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
SNC- Thanks for the introduction.  Looked up cheese curds. I was a little unsure.  If for no other reason than the name.  However, I see that they can be deep fried.  Now we're talkin'!  I'm from a place where we deep fry steak, turkeys, and even ice cream.


You'll like Wisconsin. We deep fry everything. Aside from the standard menu you can fin deep fried pickles, Snickers, Twinkies and Oreos. Unfortunately most of those are only at county fairs and festivals.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on July 26, 2010, 11:29:53 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
SNC- Thanks for the introduction.  Looked up cheese curds. I was a little unsure.  If for no other reason than the name.  However, I see that they can be deep fried.  Now we're talkin'!  I'm from a place where we deep fry steak, turkeys, and even ice cream.


You'll like Wisconsin. We deep fry everything. Aside from the standard menu you can fin deep fried pickles, Snickers, Twinkies and Oreos. Unfortunately most of those are only at county fairs and festivals.

Ever had deep fried coke? Mr. btnt might know what I'm talking about since it originated at the Texas State Fair in Dallas (isn't that part of Oklahoma?   ;) ) a few years ago. Most of those other deep fried treats you mentioned, also came out of the Texas State Fair, if I'm not mistaken!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on July 26, 2010, 12:28:54 PM
You guys are forgetting my favorite Wisconsin treat... "Pickled Herring" 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 26, 2010, 01:12:01 PM
And we cannot forget FRIDAY NIGHT FISH FRIES!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 01:47:19 PM
Love pickled herring.  Never had the fried coke.  Don't know that we (Texas) should get the credit for all the items mentioned, but it's safe to say we have raised fryin' stuff to high art.  My buddy makes deep fried bacon.  (Yeah, cuz that damn bacon wasn't holing its fat content.  We needed to bread it!)  I am concerned that I've had a hand in taking this thread from football to the Food Channel.  I guess with camps not yet open, food's all we got.  So with that in mind, what are the best tailgating schools in the conference?  Is there a robust tailgating scene in general?  I'm a bit spoiled as my daughter brings me to a lot of Longhorn games and subsequently tailgating activities.  101K in attendence makes for some pretty outrageous tailgating.  In fact, her tailgating group even won a contest that got them on halftime of the 2009 Fiesta Bowl.  They won the school $200K in scholarships from Frito Lay.  We didn't get so much as a discount in tuition...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 01:53:58 PM
I think if you researched it, many, if not all, the things I mentioned were created at the Texas State Fair -- most by the same creative mind!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 26, 2010, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 01:53:58 PM
I think if you researched it, many, if not all, the things I mentioned were created at the Texas State Fair -- most by the same creative demented mind!!

Fixed it for you. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 26, 2010, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: BoBo on July 26, 2010, 01:53:58 PM
I think if you researched it, many, if not all, the things I mentioned were created at the Texas State Fair -- most by the same creative demented mind!!

Fixed it for you. :D

But it couldn't have come from Dallas.  If we were ever able to give Dallas to Oklahoma, it would dramatically raise the IQ's of both states... ;D 

Another great thing that comes from the State Fair of Texas, is Longhorn victories over the dirt burglars...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 26, 2010, 02:13:57 PM
blu

The entire conference seems to be pretty good with the tailgate scene for the most part. Each school seems to have a location for visitors as well as the home tailgaters. But Grinnell is a little thin on tailgating and have a couple of rules that they will let you know about. Knox was OK if I remember correctly. Chances are you will find the Wisconsin schools to have the larger tailgate sessions.

The sign at the old stadium at St Norbert read "No Kegs Beyond This Point."  We all have to sacrifice I guess. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 02:28:48 PM
SNC- I checked out your website.  Looks like y'all are getting a nice new place. It's no Bruner Center, but it's damn impressive. Congrats!  I assume it's much larger than the old.  Was this to allow for kegs?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 26, 2010, 03:14:56 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
Roop, sorry to hear that deer season is a bust.  It's religion here.  Politicians would be voted out if similar restrictions were enacted, here.  From 11/1-1/16, I must schedule my sub-contract installations around it.  I don't hunt, but my freezer is always full of the many varieties of venison.  So that's cool.

I've got friends in Katy that own a place down in Carrizo Springs. I've hunted there and it's nice to see that land owners in some states still have rights.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 26, 2010, 04:15:45 PM
Katy, now there's some HS football.  Have you been down in the fall to see it?  That's a machine. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 26, 2010, 11:07:41 PM
You might want to sit down for this and take a deep breath...........................

I live 2 blocks away from a 7 time state champion (D.C. Everest) so I really don't see the need to pay much attention to TX high school football. Especially when Katy has only won 6  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 27, 2010, 07:45:11 AM
7!  That's cool.  I'm sure all the folks who lined the field with their lawn chairs were really proud of each one.  Did the celebrate with orange slices and juice boxes for all? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 27, 2010, 10:44:19 AM
I think they've out grown lawn chairs a while ago.  :P

Here's a link for you, followed by the "real answer"

http://www.astroturfnews.com/americanfootball/americanfootball.htm

Truth be told economics didn't factor as much into getting FieldTurf as did getting upset a few years ago in a rainy play off game known locally as the MudBowl. Boosters paid most of the expense etc.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 27, 2010, 11:21:39 AM
Yeah, I was just playin'.  I need to better utilize the available emoticons...  But after all, I'm just a JV poster. 

Not that you care, it being only Texas HS football, which doesn't receive nearly the acclaim of Wisconsin HS football, but I think (6) Texas 5A state titles measures up pretty well to (7) Wisconsin titles.  BTW- I'm not a Katy fan, but I gotta respect the program.  As I said, it's a machine.

Last season, my son's team only played on 1 natural turf field.  It was kinda like "What the heck is this stuff?  It's getting my uniform dirty!"  If I can borrow from a previous poster, here's a little sample of the venues we play in.  We played 2 games here last year.

http://www.berrycenter.net/S_0042.png

That's what I'm talkin' bout! :) 

Just for my info, who's your team in the Midwest Conference? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 27, 2010, 01:43:08 PM
Americas Team. The Beloit College Buccaneers ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 27, 2010, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: The Roop on July 27, 2010, 01:43:08 PM
Americas Team. The Beloit College Buccaneers ! ! !

Awesome! That is IC's game before our march to the national championship begins.  It is at your place and our plan is to attend.  And let me apologize now for the shoddy treatment your boys will be receiving on the field that day. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2010, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 27, 2010, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: The Roop on July 27, 2010, 01:43:08 PM
Americas Team. The Beloit College Buccaneers ! ! !

Awesome! That is IC's game before our march to the national championship begins.  It is at your place and our plan is to attend.  And let me apologize now for the shoddy treatment your boys will be receiving on the field that day. ;D

I wasn't aware the 2013 schedules were out yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on July 27, 2010, 03:33:07 PM
Hello Blue- I know they always do things bigger and better in Texas, ::) and from what I read you claim to have a pretty good appetite! Believe me you are going to need it to digest all of the crow you're going have to eat the next few years. Then again I'm sure you have a couple of recipes for that too! Anyway good luck to your son at IC- what is their QB situation like? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 27, 2010, 04:24:25 PM
Bigger & better in Texas...  You are correct, sir!

No doubt I've eaten my share of crow.  But what fun would it be if I came on and said "We've historically been a doormat.  It'll probably stay that way"?  I keep saying I've seen what y'all haven't.  It's the new attitude and talent this coach is bringing.  Get ready.  It's the dawn of a new day in the Midwest Conference.  Will the change be evidenced this year?  Can't say.  But it's coming.

Over the coming 4 years, I hope to attend games at every conference school. I've been particularly intersted in the tailgating scene.  I anticipate that there'll be a little crow at every tailgating event.  I imagine I'll eat some, but I know I'll serve some.  ;)

The senior QB starter is returning and the coach is understandibly committed to him.  Just as was the case at MC, they were recruiting 2010 to replace him.  My son will compete for whatever opportunities come.  Can't speak to all the competition at the position, but I do think Jamie's well equipped to compete anywhere. 


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 27, 2010, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 27, 2010, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: The Roop on July 27, 2010, 01:43:08 PM
Americas Team. The Beloit College Buccaneers ! ! !

Awesome! That is IC's game before our march to the national championship begins.  It is at your place and our plan is to attend.  And let me apologize now for the shoddy treatment your boys will be receiving on the field that day. ;D

Both teams excel at giving up the big play so the last few years it has been Arena League type scoring. Were Beloit and Jacksonville a little closer to each other it might be a rivalry in the making.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on July 27, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
In honor of the tailgating discussions i thought i would give my MWC Preseason Tailgating Locations Poll (based on what ive seen at every MWC venue, I've been to every stadium and tailgated at only a few)

1. St. Norbert (could be an interesting transition to the new stadium, as nothing beats grass field tailgating)
2. Monmouth (the location of the field is prime)
3. Carroll (ive only seen it during homecoming, which is crazy)
4. Ripon (Ripon Red Zone is growing every year)
5. Beloit (large tents and inflatables were always on hand)
6. Lake Forest (good student participation)
7. IC (havent seen much tailgating, but always bigger crowds)
The next two tie for last because I've never seen noticeable tailgating
8. Grinnell (too busy studying)
8. Lawrence (hard to tailgate with low attendance)

I would be interested to hear other peoples experiences (top ten).  Looking to get around tailgating more in the coming furture
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 27, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
I wasn't aware that Knox left the conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on July 27, 2010, 05:35:21 PM
maybe thats how good the tailgating is there......

just kidding. if it didnt feel like monday #2 i wouldve put them in front of IC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 28, 2010, 08:10:38 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on July 27, 2010, 05:35:21 PM
maybe thats how good the tailgating is there......

just kidding. if it didnt feel like monday #2 i wouldve put them in front of IC

Okay, it appears I have work to do in the area of gameday atmosphere.  Ears to the ground, boys!  That faint rumble you hear is the impending and distant stampede of Blueboy Nation!  I'd recommend you head to the high ground...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2010, 09:43:01 AM
If you ever want to scout tailgating, check out St. John's, Franklin and Bridgewater. They're the unofficial leaders.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on July 28, 2010, 10:12:47 AM
blu, Pat brings up a very good point. Check out the Johnnies at St. Johns. Look into their traditions. Check out the fans. This is D3 Football fans at their best. Also make sure you see where they are geographically. :)

Redmen, I think I will agree with you on the tailgating list. Although this will be the 1st time for me at Ripon. Monmouth has a great area for home fans but does not really want anyone else to intrude it seems like.

blu, you will notice a trend. The better tailgating schools are in Wisconsin. Hmmm.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 28, 2010, 10:56:12 AM
Thanks to both y'all for the recommendations and insights.  I'll follow through on all.  It's kind of "A journey of 1000 miles..." thing. 

We are passionate about football.  When the Oilers left Houston, I pretty much gave up on NFL.  Found HS and college to be more fun, anyway.  I've been a Horns fan (my next son will be named Mack Brown, btw) since I was 8.  Now I find my kid playin football in IL/WI???  Well, it's time to get this party started. 

Back to my 1000 mile journey:  It appears at first blush that IC has a bit of ground to make up in getting involved in discussions with the conference elite.  98% of that takes place in recruiting, off-season training, the practice field, and when you deliver on Saturdays...  But raising fan interest & involvement, and getting the student body & alum interest up, plays a role too.  Part of that starts with making the gameday experience the best it can be.  Is it coincidence, or is there something to the fact that the top 2 tailgating schools also are ranked similarly in recent (if not historically) conference standings?  Winning on Saturdays brings more interest in gameday activities and fan involvement.  So what we have here is the classic chicken or egg scenario.  Hmmm... I may have to stay off this board for 20 minutes or so while I "hatch" my plan. Dang, that was so bad I almost edited it out... ;D   

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on July 28, 2010, 11:11:29 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 28, 2010, 10:12:47 AM
blu, Pat brings up a very good point. Check out the Johnnies at St. Johns. Look into their traditions. Check out the fans. This is D3 Football fans at their best. Also make sure you see where they are geographically. :)
...
blu, you will notice a trend. The better tailgating schools are in Wisconsin. Hmmm.

Are you trying to annex Minnesota?

As another parent who was lucky to find and now greatly enjoys D3 football, I'm enjoying reading btnt's posts.  I also have a lot of family in Houston, and even spent 3 years in Austin to get a UT degree, so I've got a lot of Texas in my background.  But I'm also an Okie (Sooner born and Sooner bred), and have 60 years of Okie-Texas jokes to fall back on. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 28, 2010, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: tmerton on July 28, 2010, 11:11:29 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on July 28, 2010, 10:12:47 AM
blu, Pat brings up a very good point. Check out the Johnnies at St. Johns. Look into their traditions. Check out the fans. This is D3 Football fans at their best. Also make sure you see where they are geographically. :)
...
blu, you will notice a trend. The better tailgating schools are in Wisconsin. Hmmm.

Are you trying to annex Minnesota?

Not until we run out of landfill space.  *rimshot*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2010, 11:22:12 AM
I think he meant of the MWC schools, the better tailgating was in WI and not IL and IA.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 28, 2010, 12:31:09 PM
Oh crud!  Who let the Okie in here?  There goes the neighborhoood.  Time to shut this thread down.  I guess if he got his degree from THE University of Texas, he can't be all bad.  ;)  Just glad he's not an aggie.  We'd have to start using big print, small words, and lots of pictures... ;D

I feel the tremendous passion for D3 ball in the Midwest in general.  I'm really getting psyched.  This is 100X better than I imagined.  Thanks to all y'all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCAlum97 on July 29, 2010, 12:53:58 AM
A. Did anyone else take the time to look at Carroll's roster and notice that they have a freshman QB named Tom Sawyer?

B. Mr. Texas - IC is what IC is, but I'd like to hear some numbers and accolades about your son as he is far from local?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on July 29, 2010, 02:34:18 AM
Quote from: MCAlum97 on July 29, 2010, 12:53:58 AM
A. Did anyone else take the time to look at Carroll's roster and notice that they have a freshman QB named Tom Sawyer?

Was that Becky Thatcher I saw on the cheerleading squad? I'm not sure... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 29, 2010, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: BoBo on July 29, 2010, 02:34:18 AM
Quote from: MCAlum97 on July 29, 2010, 12:53:58 AM
A. Did anyone else take the time to look at Carroll's roster and notice that they have a freshman QB named Tom Sawyer?

Was that Becky Thatcher I saw on the cheerleading squad? I'm not sure... ;)

Sadly, I did. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on July 29, 2010, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 29, 2010, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: BoBo on July 29, 2010, 02:34:18 AM
Quote from: MCAlum97 on July 29, 2010, 12:53:58 AM
A. Did anyone else take the time to look at Carroll's roster and notice that they have a freshman QB named Tom Sawyer?

Was that Becky Thatcher I saw on the cheerleading squad? I'm not sure... ;)

Sadly, I did. 

I looked at his HS roster at there was a Huck Finn that played center.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 30, 2010, 08:04:56 AM
Has anyone heard any news over the winter in regards to the ACM schools splitting off and forming a new conference?  Or would it be some schools leaving...like St Norbert, IC, Monmouth and then the remaining schools bringing Cornell back in and keeping the Midwest Conference name?  Any news at all???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 30, 2010, 08:34:13 AM
Dog- First of all, thanks!  Thanks for providing the faint hint of a heartbeat.  After a full day of a total of 3 post, all about Mark Twain charactors, I was beginning to question whether the stalwarts on this board really had the stuff to keep the football discussion going.  Or, was what I was seeing, only a brief flurry of activity cuz someone from a real football state resuscitated this dying thread only to have it flat line after a week?  You see, initially, I thought "Dang, there's some real football country outside to the great state of Texas!"  And, suprisingly, it was Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa... Who knew?  Then, we shift to Mark Twain???  Okay, admittedly, I had a hand in taking us down the food channel road for a while, but quickly corrected course.  I guess what I have to get used to is fans who see football as a season, rather than a lifestyle.  Here in Texas, we have two seasons.  Football season, and preseason football (which starts after the last game of football season).  Or, is it that everyone actually did head for the highground fearing the impending stampede of Blueboy Nation? 

To that end, I'm putting all on notice of the impending arrival of our version of "Swamp thing"  Something from the bayou is headed this way.  More Texas blood to invigorate this board.  You see, IC is committed to extending its OOS draw.  We've got some folks, active in the Texas fooball community harvesting the fertile grounds of Texas football.  We're bringing our harvest to IC.

Oh, yeah, what is ACM?  Where's this news coming from?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2010, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 30, 2010, 08:04:56 AM
Has anyone heard any news over the winter in regards to the ACM schools splitting off and forming a new conference?  Or would it be some schools leaving...like St Norbert, IC, Monmouth and then the remaining schools bringing Cornell back in and keeping the Midwest Conference name?  Any news at all???

I keep hearing about it in fits and starts but it seems to die away. The presidents want it and the athletic departments are fighting it, basically.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 30, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
btnt - the ACM is the Associated Colleges of the Midwest...or something like that.  A loose collection of schools with high academic standards.  A group of their presidents want to start a new conference with the members from this group.  It was voted on last winter and didn't pass.  From the IIAC, Cornell voted for the new conference, while Coe and Luther voted against it.  Most, if not all, of the MWC schools that are members of the ACM voted in favor of the new conference.  I believe the Minnesota schools voted against forming a new conference.  What all this means, I don't know!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 30, 2010, 10:10:11 AM
Interesting.  Am I wrong in thinking that all the MWC schools are "high" academic"?  If formed, would this be a larger conference?  Greater geographic area?  Where can I read about this? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2010, 10:35:14 AM
It's just a lot of talk, nothing formal. The schools remaining in the discussion are the seven mentioned from the MWC plus Cornell, a former MWC member which is currently in the IIAC.

Other schools that are in the ACM grouping academically are not part of the athletics discussion anymore. Those include Colorado College, St. Olaf, Macalester, Carleton.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCAlum97 on July 30, 2010, 03:06:08 PM
Here is  an ill-advised prediction as to final conference standings for this season:


1Monmouth
2St. Norbert
3IC... yes, I know. 
4Ripon 
5Beloit 
6Carroll
7Lake Forest
8Lawrence 
9Knox 
10Grinnell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 30, 2010, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: MCAlum97 on July 30, 2010, 03:06:08 PM
Here is  an ill-advised prediction as to final conference standings for this season:


1Monmouth
2St. Norbert
3IC... yes, I know. 
4Ripon 
5Beloit 
6Carroll
7Lake Forest
8Lawrence 
9Knox 
10Grinnell

Now that's what I'm talkin' about.  # 3 isn't the goal, but it is progess. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCAlum97 on July 30, 2010, 06:40:12 PM
Where'd your son play his ball blue? I have a nephew who plays Jr. High ball in Kingston.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 30, 2010, 08:57:26 PM
Quote from: MCAlum97 on July 30, 2010, 06:40:12 PM
Where'd your son play his ball blue? I have a nephew who plays Jr. High ball in Kingston.


I suspect you might have meant Kingwood.  My son played at Klein HS.  A 5A school in Spring, Tx.  He transferred in his junior season.  A mistake.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=3152730

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 31, 2010, 02:56:50 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 30, 2010, 08:34:13 AM
You see, initially, I thought "Dang, there's some real football country outside to the great state of Texas!"  And, suprisingly, it was Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa... Who knew?


I have heard that they are playing some decent football in Ohio too.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on July 31, 2010, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on July 31, 2010, 02:56:50 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on July 30, 2010, 08:34:13 AM
You see, initially, I thought "Dang, there's some real football country outside to the great state of Texas!"  And, suprisingly, it was Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa... Who knew?


I have heard that they are playing some decent football in Ohio too.  :)

Sorry for the omission. You're absolutely correct. Unless you're talking Big 10... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 01, 2010, 12:43:39 PM
While hoping SNC can overtake Monmouth... Lawrence in 8th? The Vikings' ship has had problems winning a game, much less moving two spots out of the cellar.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 01, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
And let's assume nothing about SNC & MC exclusively battling for the #1 spot.  There's a dark horse galloping north from Jacksonville, IL.  Once you get used to the idea, it's really quite plausible. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 01, 2010, 04:59:40 PM
Hey blu. Mcmurray is not in the MWC. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 01, 2010, 09:57:16 PM
Touché! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 02, 2010, 09:05:43 AM
Hey Blu I will give you your Blue Boys and 35 when they play Monmouth this year and I'll give you 30 when they play Norberts.  The loser cooks and brings all beverages at 2011Monmouth/IC game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 02, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 02, 2010, 09:05:43 AM
Hey Blu I will give you your Blue Boys and 35 when they play Monmouth this year and I'll give you 30 when they play Norberts.  The loser cooks and brings all beverages at 2011Monmouth/IC game.

You Sir, are on.  Except, let's limit it to the only the MC vs. IC wager.  Otherwise, there is the potential for a tie.  And a tie is like kissing your sister.  Which I guess is okay for you MC boys, but here in Texas, that don't fly! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 02, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Ok we will limit it to the IC/Mon game. And yes I admit I've seen our kids hug and kiss both their Moms and sisters after a game. The difference is and the reason its ok here and doesn't fly in Texas is that our kids don't get turned on by it like your kids do! Anyway I have a feeling it won't be hard to pick you out in the Blueboy crowd. Hopefully your one of those Texans that has Horns!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 02, 2010, 11:01:37 AM
You're mistaking us for for that SEC state to our northeast, but let us not digress.  I have horns.  They're burnt orange and emblazened on just about everything from my coffee cup to my ball cap.  But I am now transitioning to Blueboy gear (on game day).  Which it what I will be wearing when we meet.  Regardless, I will not be hard to find.  Particularly since it is I who will be searching for you.  I never pass up a free drink... ;) 

You're ridin' tall now, so enjoy the ride.  But all good things must end.  Blueboy Nation is on the rise.  God I love football season!  I'm glad it never ends...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 02, 2010, 12:25:22 PM
10 days till camp starts........

Season preview is out for the Hawks http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2010/News/2010_Season_Preview.html

all good things except for the quarterback position.  that is some unfortunate news (starter from last two years tore his ACL this summer working out and will miss his senior year)  hopefully the backup will step up big this year as he has little game time experience, but is a good ball player
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 02, 2010, 12:28:51 PM
no one has used scotties' flying banner text lately so i guess i might as well....

HAWKS FLY TOGETHER IN 2010!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 02, 2010, 12:31:21 PM
Maybe a dumb ?, but does camp start the same time for everyone?  I know my kid has to report 8/12.  My BD!  (Don't feel compelled to get me anything, the start of camp and the promise of knocking of MC are enough.)  Man, I'm bummed hearing about the kid losing his senior year.  Any year for that matter, but that's just rough.  No way to go out.  Sorry.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 02, 2010, 12:34:54 PM
if im not mistaken, which i might be, everyone is allowed to start as soon as august 12th, just some teams may start later if they want.  im sure we will get an official ruling on that one via Pat
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 02, 2010, 12:47:38 PM
SNC reports to camp on the 13th. They scrimmage against the Packers starting the 17th.  ;)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 02, 2010, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 02, 2010, 12:28:51 PM
no one has used scotties' flying banner text lately so i guess i might as well....

HAWKS FLY TOGETHER IN 2010!

Does anyone else find it ironic that Redmen is using the line from The Mighty Ducks "Ducks fly together" but with "Hawks" in place of "Ducks" when in the movie the Hawks were the evil youth team that was the rival of the Ducks?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Blu Bayou on August 02, 2010, 01:24:29 PM
Ok...I am here to support the Blueboy faithful...all one of him.. :)  I have coached his son in 7 on 7 for the past few years and I can tell you he is a steal for IC...I am looking forward to watching him play ball at IC..  

My login name Blu Bayou comes from Blu (IC Blueboys football) and Bayou (Houston is the Bayou city in Texas)

My son PJ goes to Stephen F Austin University (SFA) in Nacogdoches, Texas. He is a walk on Running Back. We actually had alot of attention from Monmouth College. Ultimately we chose a D-1FCS School close to home.

blu thru and thru is the man!  I plan on making sure none of you guys or gals take advantage of him..  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 02, 2010, 02:12:27 PM
He won't get taken advantage of, but I can't promise anything about the team he roots for now.


Go Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 02, 2010, 02:50:14 PM
Bayou- You'da Man.  Good Luck to PJ and the Jacks!  Now my 4th favorite college team.  First being the Blueboys.  Second, THE University of Texas Longhorns.  Third Being anyone playing the ags or sooners (not that the aggies really matter).  And now the Jacks!

As for the rest of you, I have evidence to support that the MWC is now going Blue!

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/

Clearly, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Illinois, all Blue.  Change may come slower than I'd like.  Sooner than the rest of you would like.  But make no mistake; August 12th, change arrives at the MWC.8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 02, 2010, 12:34:54 PM
if im not mistaken, which i might be, everyone is allowed to start as soon as august 12th, just some teams may start later if they want.  im sure we will get an official ruling on that one via Pat

The first date of camp depends on two things: the date of the first game and the first day of classes. So it varies a little bit. Aug. 12-16 or so for teams that play the weekend of Sept. 4.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 02, 2010, 03:58:50 PM
As always, thanks Pat! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on August 02, 2010, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 02, 2010, 02:50:14 PM

Clearly, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Illinois, all Blue.  Change may come slower than I'd like.  Sooner than the rest of you would like.  But make no mistake; August 12th, change arrives at the MWC.8-)

Sorry BTNT,  Wisconsin (and D3) is currently ruled by the purple.  Just ask around.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 02, 2010, 06:00:59 PM
Fair enough.  For now.  I should have limited my statement to reflect only the MWC. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 02, 2010, 06:41:11 PM
Don't worry about it blu. Most of us realized you were referring to the MWC. Some from those schools of over 10,000 feel like they have to flex their muscles every so often.  ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 02, 2010, 07:48:37 PM
Oh, has Whitewater made the play offs recently ? ? ? I hadn't heard that...................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 02, 2010, 09:32:57 PM
Whitewater....Are they purple????    ;D

Hey Roop.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 02, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
Yes, they're 10,000, purple & lovin it!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 08:34:35 AM
10,000!  Seriously?  I just looked that up.  Here I was scratching my head wondering how a program could be so dominant.  I was impressed.  Out of ignorance, I just figured all the D3 schools were smaller in nature.  All the ones we looked at were between 1000-1800 +/-.

Here in Texas, we have Class A through 5A high schools.  Even with that, we have (2) 5A classifications.  And, subsequently, (2) 5A state champions. "Big school" & "little school".  6A is being considered to deal with the increasing size desparity.  Klein High has never won a state championship.  They made it to the 5A semi-finals this year.  They've done that once before (in like 40 years).  In looking at this, we simply need to re-position ourselves in, say, 2A and we'd end that drought.  It'd be sweet!  Our band (400+/-) would be bigger than the entire student body of the teams we'd face.  But oh, how totally validating that championship would be...

There are D1's that barely have 10000.  Y'know, my kid woke up this AM feeling a bit in need of a self esteem infusion.  As luck would have it, some 8 year olds were walking to swim team practice.  I told him to go out and kick their a....!  He's strutting around the house like a peacock now!  He's 18...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 03, 2010, 09:24:51 AM
We don't post flyers in the dorms or on campus that read "football tryouts today."  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 03, 2010, 09:38:58 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 02, 2010, 12:28:51 PM
no one has used scotties' flying banner text lately so i guess i might as well....

HAWKS FLY TOGETHER IN 2010!


Every now and then there comes I time when I regain hope for the future.   ;)


A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  B A G P I P E S ? ? ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 10:01:03 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 03, 2010, 09:24:51 AM
We don't post flyers in the dorms or on campus that read "football tryouts today."  

Boy, please!  Nor do most D1, 1AA, or D2 schools.  But no one talks about it b/c they don't come on small conf. boards pounding their chest...  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 03, 2010, 11:26:48 AM
I was merely pointing out that the general student population isn't as big a deal as many think it is.  I leave the chest pounding to others.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 11:38:17 AM
Fair enough, Golliath.  Perhaps someday our paths will cross.  David ;)

Gotta dream big! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on August 03, 2010, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 11:38:17 AM
Fair enough, Golliath.  Perhaps someday our paths will cross.  David ;)

Gotta dream big! 

If you're dreaming that dream then you better check for dampness when you wake up. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 03, 2010, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 11:38:17 AM
Fair enough, Golliath.  Perhaps someday our paths will cross.  David ;)

Gotta dream big! 

If they do it would be wise to bring more than a slingshot.  ;)
You're new here but I can tell IC has added a staunch supporter to their numbers.  Good luck I hope IC experiences some success and your son finds his time there rewarding.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on August 03, 2010, 12:56:35 PM
Here is the season preview for the 2010 Carroll Pioneers:

Could be one of the better teams Carroll has seen in the past few seasons since going 7-3 in 2008.

http://athletics.carrollu.edu/news/detail.asp?newsid=2989&teamid=368
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2010, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 10:01:03 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 03, 2010, 09:24:51 AM
We don't post flyers in the dorms or on campus that read "football tryouts today."  

Boy, please!  Nor do most D1, 1AA, or D2 schools.  But no one talks about it b/c they don't come on small conf. boards pounding their chest...  

No, but high schools do. That's why high schools classify by enrollment. And colleges don't. That's why colleges don't classify by enrollment and Duke is D-I while UW-Whitewater (and many others, 25% of Division III is state schools) is D-III.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on August 03, 2010, 01:44:37 PM
One of the posters on the MIAC board alerted us to the arrival of btnt. Good addition. Maybe you can start having some fun, and volume, over here like we (mostly Johnnies) have on the MIAC.

Too bad btnt and son didn't look even farther north. Just because UWW, and a number of other WIAC schools have many more students, that doesn't make them giants. UWW is essentially a late comer to the "dynasty" role. Think of them as Louis Oosthuizen, as compared to MTU as Tiger Woods. There are a number of other schools (St John's, Linfield, Central et. al.) who are the Ernie Els, Phil Mickelson, Jim Furyks of the D III football world.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: kubiack78 on August 03, 2010, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: retagent on August 03, 2010, 01:44:37 PM
One of the posters on the MIAC board alerted us to the arrival of btnt. Good addition. Maybe you can start having some fun, and volume, over here like we (mostly Johnnies) have on the MIAC.

Too bad btnt and son didn't look even farther north. Just because UWW, and a number of other WIAC schools have many more students, that doesn't make them giants. UWW is essentially a late comer to the "dynasty" role. Think of them as Louis Oosthuizen, as compared to MTU as Tiger Woods. There are a number of other schools (St John's, Linfield, Central et. al.) who are the Ernie Els, Phil Mickelson, Jim Furyks of the D III football world.

I like to think of St John's as the John Daly of the D3 football world ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome.  I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 03, 2010, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome. I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...



you don't say   ::)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 03, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 03, 2010, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome. I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...



you don't say   ::)



What's wrong with having to learn? We all did at some point.


This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.



Blu thru n thru,
Welcome to Division III. It is a lot of fun to follow this level. It's easy to follow when you are emotionally invested, I hope you stick around after your son graduates. IC has a beautiful campus. However I would suggest that it gets moved north a couple of hours. Almost half the conference is over 300 miles away from it. I've been there three times on trips from Carroll and those are long trips. I'd hate to know what a trip from a northern outpost like St. Norbert is like.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 03, 2010, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on August 03, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
Blu thru n thru,
Welcome to Division III. It is a lot of fun to follow this level. It's easy to follow when you are emotionally invested, I hope you stick around after your son graduates. IC has a beautiful campus. However I would suggest that it gets moved north a couple of hours. Almost half the conference is over 300 miles away from it. I've been there three times on trips from Carroll and those are long trips. I'd hate to know what a trip from a northern outpost like St. Norbert is like.

It sucks from Ripon, so it cant be much fun from there either. Grinnell isnt too much fun of a trip either.  Luckily those facilities are top notch or it would make the trip even less interesting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 03, 2010, 03:20:24 PM
Although from Texas all of those trips are long........
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 03:33:24 PM
Thanks Hickory!  I'm having a blast.  I don't do Facebook, so this is fast becoming my guilty pleasure.  Perhaps illustrated by the frequency of my posts...

As for the school's location, the ride is 1/2 the fun.  I remember the bus rides.  Good times.  Of course, made better if we won.  And we didn't travel in those fancy coaches...  For that matter, IC is far enough north for us, anyway. 

I don't let my inexperience, percieved or actual, slow me down.  I go into every season in search of, and with the belief it will bring, a championship.  Warhawk is just responding to his fear that what I'm saying will be true.  Fear is a great motivator. ;)  I am the new guy.  Gotta earn my respect.  Of course, sounding like I'm a few bricks shy probably sets me back a bit in that endeavor.  It's all good! 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 03, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on August 03, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 03, 2010, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
First, as for my for MWC and national aspirations, if you're not dreaming big, why dream?  It ain't much fun on these boards promoting mediocrity.  There are things I know, and things I don't. I know when I spot winners.  As a coach of 15 years, I can spot guys who are going places.  Coach Campbell is going places.  Whether he'll ever have all the resources to bring the talent to IC, who knows.  But the guy has the energy and plan to raise the program to hieghts it hasn't known.  Will it be this year?  Can't say, but I think we'll be improved.  I'd like to think that if my kid does earn the job, he'll have a hand in it.  But he has work to do.

We did look further north?  We looked everywhere.  There was some search criteria.  Jamie has a D1 level arm (no daddy bias, just fact).  His 6' height was a problem.  He also played at an exclusively run-oriented program.  We looked at schools that threw more than they ran.  Then it was how the coaches responded.  Strangely, certain conferences responded big while others ignored us.  WIAC ignored us.  The MWC responded stronges.  MC, and IC made the final 2.  IC, and Coach Campbell just did the best job of selling his program.  Not that there was anything wrong with MC...

Thanks to all for the welcome. I've a lot to learn about D3 ball, but I will be checking out other boards to broaden my education...



you don't say   ::)



What's wrong with having to learn? We all did at some point.


This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.


No problem at all...i see your point, and I agree with it 100%. the only reason I posted that is b/c btnt came on here basing UWW's success on its enrollment...rather than it's coaching staff/recruiting. Badgerwarhawk, retagent and Pat brought up a great point, enrollment size is NEVER a factor in college sports. I was just sticking up for my alma mater.

So i'm just saying you may want to learn first what you're talking about...then pass out judgment...that's all.

No worries :).  Being from IL, i was glad to see they were able to recruit a talented QB from Texas.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 03, 2010, 04:26:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 03:33:24 PM
Thanks Hickory!  I'm having a blast.  I don't do Facebook, so this is fast becoming my guilty pleasure.  Perhaps illustrated by the frequency of my posts...



btnt, you would have too much fun with staus updates.  your time is better served on here.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on August 03, 2010, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on August 03, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.

I was in btnt's position four years ago when I found these boards, and I never experienced any of what you describe, especially on the MIAC board.  Minnesota nice I guess.  Of course, with btnt, there's the language barrier. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Hawk-  Like you, I know it's all in fun.  Honestly, I may not know what I'm talking about.  I talk a lot of... do-do.  No doubt.  I may be learning, albeit slowly.  But I got your attention. ;D  And, IC is at least in the dialog now.  Admittedly, I'm bummed that the only support I'm getting comes from a buddy here in Texas.  But it'll happen!  I'll carry the banner alone until then.  Maybe it'll be when Pat ranks us in the top 25 next year!  I know it will only rachet up my rhetoric ;)  But rest assured, I didn't blast anyone.  You'll know a blast when it happens.  But I don't see it occuring in this forum. 

On an unrelated note, can anyone tell me how do you get a picture or icon into your profile?  I know y'all wanna put a face with the name, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 04:41:20 PM
Language barrier... No kidding.  I don't know how anyone understands y'all. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2010, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: tmerton on August 03, 2010, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on August 03, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.

I was in btnt's position four years ago when I found these boards, and I never experienced any of what you describe, especially on the MIAC board.  Minnesota nice I guess.  Of course, with btnt, there's the language barrier. ;D

That's because you're a St. John's fan, so you were immediately made part of the club. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on August 03, 2010, 06:25:40 PM
btnt - you'll probably hear from some of the Techno-geeks on here how to add "Avatars" etc. The one thing I can tell you about is that your "Karma" rating should be very volatile. After you have posted a certain number of times, you earn the power to (applaud/smite) others. Your Karma total will reflect what others think of your posts. Personally, I just gave you a "+" bump, and I'm not the first. Good Luck this season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 03, 2010, 06:29:18 PM
blu, I too bumped your karma rating and you deserve it. You have a confidence without arrogance that D3 has and D1 does not. This is where you belong. I look forward to the IC SNC game where we are both undefeated in the MWC. That would be SWEET!

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 06:33:54 PM
There's a club???  Dang it!  I never get invited to be with the cool group.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 03, 2010, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 03, 2010, 06:29:18 PM
blu, I too bumped your karma rating and you deserve it. You have a confidence without arrogance that D3 has and D1 does not. This is where you belong. I look forward to the IC SNC game where we are both undefeated in the MWC. That would be SWEET!

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Thanks for the karma.  I guess some folks must not like what I'm saying cuz the high-water mark was 7 at one point. 

If someone were to do a quick review of our repsective schedules, they might think that was a shot at "that team from the north".  Nah, you'd never do that...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2010, 07:46:18 PM
So, for the avatar, click on the Profile button near the top of the page, then on the left hand side, there will be a link for Forum Profile information. There you can either choose from our preselected set of avatars or provide the URL of an image file you want to use.

You cannot upload your own image because we don't have storage space for 10,000 users' avatars, sorry. And you need the URL of the image itself, not the page it's from. Odds are that URL will end in .jpg or something like that. Right-click on the file you want to use, get its properties, and copy and paste that into the field.

Not every free photo service will allow you to use their images on other sites, either. Good luck.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on August 03, 2010, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2010, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: tmerton on August 03, 2010, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on August 03, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
This is going to sound like I'm picking on you 02 Warhawk but I'm not. This is just something I've noticed a lot around the tme of the World Cup. The biggest problem I see with niche sports trying to get mainstream attention is that their fans are distrusting of newcomes. Division III isn't the only one. Soccer, running and cycling face the same problems. Their adament fanbase is leery of newcomers if not all out threatened by them. They apparently can't be real fans because they haven't been here long. The newcomer doesn't feel welcome and moves on. It's almost have in their fans want to stay permanently locked in their own little corner of the world away from everyone else. I think we should be welcoming to all who want to learn about Division III.

I was in btnt's position four years ago when I found these boards, and I never experienced any of what you describe, especially on the MIAC board.  Minnesota nice I guess.  Of course, with btnt, there's the language barrier. ;D

That's because you're a St. John's fan, so you were immediately made part of the club. :)
Agreed, "Minnesota nice" does tend to go out the window when predicting the Johnnies might lose a game.  If Illinois College does win the conference in a couple of years and get to the playoffs you might just be taught the definition of "monkey stomp".  Monmouth and St. Norbert fans have been well schooled in this during recent years when facing the Johnnies, Warhawks and more recently, the Tommies.  Basically, if your blueboys do happen to achieve a 10-0 regular season record and your kid has the best QB stats in the nation, don't make plans to fly to  Salem.  

On second thought, keep telling Monmouth, St. Norbs, etc. that they're on their way down; it's a lot more fun that way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 08:15:54 AM
Dude, is that a -800?  That's impressive.  I gotta ask, is "monkey stomp" kind of an Minnesota version of our "donkey stomp"?  I dunno, by comparison, "monkey stomp" seems kinda, well, WEAK. 

Now, WHEN we win the conference, and meet any of the aforementioned in a potential playoff tilt, be prepared learn the value of sharing vision vs. spewing a myopic view of history. ;D  Dang it!  I gotta learn to regulate that AM caffiene...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 09:00:38 AM
Okay, I've had a chance to think it through.  Maybe I'm being a bit hypocritical.  Is my rant not unlike my aggie friends who insist that the Horns' dominance of the series, in the last 10 years in particular, is only cyclical.  And that the ags are on the cusp of returning to the top.  We all know that THE University of Texas will remain forever at the top.  Now I'm worried.  Am I starting to sound like an aggie?  Holy crap! :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 04, 2010, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 08:15:54 AM
I gotta ask, is "monkey stomp" kind of an Minnesota version of our "donkey stomp"?  I dunno, by comparison, "monkey stomp" seems kinda, well, WEAK. 


I have no idea what a "donkey stomp" is (the only donkey I know is Donkey Kong), but a "monkey stomp" is basically a victory by a margin of 21 points or more. There are other versions, as well, like a double monkey stomp, etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 09:46:13 AM

The MWC is 2-10 in post season competition.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 09:46:13 AM
The MWC is 2-10 in post season competition.

I guess we just shouldn't show up.  In fact, why have the playoffs at all?  I mean, we already know the outcome. :)

No doubt, history was not on our side.  But I have stressed throughout that I don't care much about history.  If I did, I wouldn't be on this board, cuz I sure wouldn't have much to say... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: BoBo on August 04, 2010, 09:39:28 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 08:15:54 AM
I gotta ask, is "monkey stomp" kind of an Minnesota version of our "donkey stomp"?  I dunno, by comparison, "monkey stomp" seems kinda, well, WEAK. 

I have no idea what a "donkey stomp" is (the only donkey I know is Donkey Kong), but a "monkey stomp" is basically a victory by a margin of 21 points or more. There are other versions, as well, like a double monkey stomp, etc.

Then call it what it is; a donkey stomp!  Y'all talk funny... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 09:46:13 AM
The MWC is 2-10 in post season competition.

I guess we just shouldn't show up.  In fact, why have the playoffs at all?  I mean, we already know the outcome. :)


I don't know about that afterall you have almost a 17% chance of winning.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 09:46:13 AM
The MWC is 2-10 in post season competition.

I guess we just shouldn't show up.  In fact, why have the playoffs at all?  I mean, we already know the outcome. :)

I don't know about that afterall you have almost a 17% chance of winning.  ;)
Okay then!  That's what I'm talkin' bout! By that, I just went from being perceived as delusional to optimistic... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on August 04, 2010, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 09:46:13 AM
The MWC is 2-10 in post season competition.

I guess we just shouldn't show up.  In fact, why have the playoffs at all?  I mean, we already know the outcome. :)

I don't know about that afterall you have almost a 17% chance of winning.  ;)
Okay then!  That's what I'm talkin' bout! By that, I just went from being perceived as delusional to optimistic... ;D

So you're telling me there's a chance... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 04, 2010, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 04, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2010, 09:46:13 AM
The MWC is 2-10 in post season competition.

I guess we just shouldn't show up.  In fact, why have the playoffs at all?  I mean, we already know the outcome. :)

I don't know about that afterall you have almost a 17% chance of winning.  ;)
Okay then!  That's what I'm talkin' bout! By that, I just went from being perceived as delusional to optimistic... ;D

So you're telling me there's a chance... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA)
That I'm not dilusional?  Apparently 17%.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 04, 2010, 01:53:48 PM
What was all that one in a million talk?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 05, 2010, 10:04:54 AM
Even if it's one in a million, that may actually represent progress.  My observation has been that the Blueboys weren't exactly on the forefront of people's mind when discussing MWC contenders.  Niether my kid, nor my rhetoric will, alone, change that.  But I have seen things yall haven't.

What excites me is the players I met at orientation.  Mostly OOS kids.  What I believe I saw was a clear example of the continued rise in talent, focus, and commitment to football expected and pursued by Coach Campbell.   

Another thing that boosts my confidence is that this coach, and the school, are successfully seeking and bringing in OOS kids.  No disrespect whatsoever to the local ones, because I know there's talent there.  There's nothing special in the water elsewhere. But there's a lot of talent in this country looking for a place to play.  Talent that will make a difference at IC and the MWC. 

The change isn't going to be overnight, but it's coming!  Scottie, you're right to be afraid. ;) I hate to use them as an example, but does anyone remember OU before L'il Bobby Stoops' arrival?  When he gained the necessary support from the administration, raised the expectations of the team, and began selling it to recruits and players, they went from doormat to... National Champions!  (Ouch! I hate even saying that!)  That's what I've had the chance to see at IC and with Coach Campbell.  Now it's yall's turn to see it. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 05, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
in my best G. Constanza impression:  Ooooohhhh, I'm shakin!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 05, 2010, 10:42:02 AM
I knew scottie would jump in there sooner or later.  ::)

blu, I do not want to dampen the excitement you have brought to this board. Please do not stop with your posts. We all need it and enjoy it.

I do have to ask about your statement " But I have seen things yall haven't."  It seems to me that you are basing a lot of your comments on change at IC. Change is good. But did you visit there last year or the year before to have a true comparison? Were the players less excited 2 or 3 years ago than they are now? Were the statements made by the coach 2-3 years ago that different than made during your visit?

Basically what I am saying is any of the parents on this board probably has seen what you have seen. The names were different. The surroundings were different. But I bet we have been there.  ;)

Like I said in a previous post, I look forward to IC visiting St Norbert this year and BOTH teams are undefeated in conference play.

By the way, who is IC playing opening weekend and where?




GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 05, 2010, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 05, 2010, 10:42:02 AM
I knew scottie would jump in there sooner or later.  ::)


Scottie has been on the road a lot lately, so please pardon me only jumping in from time to time.  I'm surprised I've been logging on this early, to be honest.  Probably Blu's fault!  "You're my boy, Blu!"  (p.s. If those lady blue cowgirls ask you to jello wrestle, don't do it!)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 05, 2010, 11:57:39 AM
Yeah, I knew that'd draw Scottie out!

C'mon SNC!  You just gotta know: 1) I don't take myself too seriously and I love the banter.  2) I gotta believe that they are different.  If I'm gonna have any play on this board, I cannot accept that anything less is taking place.  If my team had recent MWC championships or undefeated seasons to boast, my tone would be different.  I wouldn't be relying on change for hope.  But do not mistake that to mean that I am fabricating my rant solely from wishful thinking. 

I cannot argue the logic of your statements, but there are reasons that I believe what I do.  This forum, however, would not be the place to post them.  I don't have the benefit of history to rely on.  So, I must believe the future is brighter.  I do and for good reason!

Admittedly, I have much to learn about D3.  But as a coach and manager of many years, there's subtle, things you look for to that mark when you've turned a corner.  I see those things. 

Answer: Millikin University @ home.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 05, 2010, 12:38:38 PM
You are doing just fine blu. Keep the attitude right where it is at. I agree. We have to be positive. Chat again soon.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 06, 2010, 12:12:54 PM
 ??? I'm starting to worry about Blu.  Its been almost 24 hours and he hasn't posted. Hope you are ok Blu.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 06, 2010, 12:27:02 PM
Oh and thanks to whoever bumped up my Karma.  For awhile there it was just VIKe Me and me in negative numbers. SNCOLDAD please be nice to me from now on!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 06, 2010, 12:38:18 PM
Ah, do I have to?!?!   ;)

I will try to behave. And watch scottie drop once he gets going.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 06, 2010, 01:05:28 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 06, 2010, 12:12:54 PM
??? I'm starting to worry about Blu.  Its been almost 24 hours and he hasn't posted. Hope you are ok Blu.

Maybe he's boycotting this site b/c IC didn't make the top 25. so he's sticking it to Pat.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 06, 2010, 07:07:43 PM
Blu's goin' third person like Scottie. ;) Blu had a special project to work on today. More on that to follow.

Blu knows Pat feels bad enough already for his obvious omission.  No need for Blu to pile on.  No doubt he'll do his research next year and get his $%&t straight.

So what was Blu doing today???  Glad you asked!  Blu was reinforcing the axles and adding seats to the Blueboy bandwagon.  It's gotta be reworked to support the anticipated load increase.  Which one of you wants to call "Shotgun"?  Pat?  C'mon Dude!  Remember, if y'ain't the lead dog, the view never changes.  Of course, what's Blu doing telling y'all about dog-sledding? 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on August 06, 2010, 09:42:13 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 05, 2010, 10:04:54 AM
I hate to use them as an example, but does anyone remember OU before L'il Bobby Stoops' arrival?  When he gained the necessary support from the administration, raised the expectations of the team, and began selling it to recruits and players, they went from doormat to... National Champions!  (Ouch! I hate even saying that!) 

You're kidding, right?  Was that a brain fart, btnt, or what?  "Doormat"?  You do perhaps remember Barry Switzer (as much as I despise him), yes?  And you probably weren't born at the time but there was a gentleman from Minnesota named Bud Wilkinson who coached there, too.  Good grief.  Unless IC has that sort of heritage, perhaps you'd like to try another example.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 06, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Brainfart?  Hmmm....  I'm wondering if using larger print and pictures would help you follow along with what I thought was a fairly simple point.  One that was actually flattering to OU.  The rest of the class didn't seem to have trouble grasping it!  But of course, the internet boards are filled with people intent on picking the fly poop out of the pepper. 

The only point I was making was that the right coach can bring about new attitude and swift change.  That by obtaining buy in, getting administative & alumni support, and creating a winning attitude and swagger in the players, a program's fortunes can turn quickly and dramatically.  For the record, before Bobby, there was John Blake's 12-22 debacle (by OU standards).  Prior to that, Schnellenberger posted 5-5-1 record.  There wasn't much joy in the stands (and I should know.  I was in there).  Howard's tenure was preceded by Gary Gibbs 5 year run and 65% winning percentage (not quite up to the Switzer/Wilkerson standards).  So, if my use of the term "doormat", and comparison to OU, blurred the obvious point; that I believe Coach Campbell has the potential to bring something special to IC, then I'll try to be more clear next time.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 06, 2010, 11:04:39 PM
btnt,

While you are correct, TMerton may be even more correct.

Restoring
a tradition is probably a different (and easier) task than creating one in the first place.  OU had a glorious tradition; I've been through the IC historical records, and there IS no past 'golden age'.

At least I certainly hope that restoring a tradition is easier than creating one in the first place - I'm a Michigan fan! :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 06, 2010, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 06, 2010, 12:38:18 PM

I will try to behave. And watch scottie drop once he gets going.  ;D

Scottie is reminded of the argument about whether it is plagiarism if one quotes oneself......   ;D


Quote from: scottie on August 05, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
in my best G. Constanza impression:  Ooooohhhh, I'm shakin!   :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 07, 2010, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 06, 2010, 11:04:39 PM
btnt,

While you are correct, TMerton may be even more correct.

Restoring
a tradition is probably a different (and easier) task than creating one in the first place.  OU had a glorious tradition; I've been through the IC historical records, and there IS no past 'golden age'.

At least I certainly hope that restoring a tradition is easier than creating one in the first place - I'm a Michigan fan! :o

All valid points which I appreciate.  But I am making no referrence to tradition or history.  Just the immediate difference the right coach can make.  Honestly, I don't even know IC's history.  As it doesn't matter to the point I was making.  But I hear what you're saying.  I'm kind of a Michigam fan too.  It would appear thus far, that Richrod is the example of how the opposite can happen. :-\  And, to IC's less than glorious history; it begins 8/12/10 (coinciding with my birthday)...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 08, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
Ripon Reports in 4 days!  I am very excited for this season!  Can't wait to see what comes from the good 'ole Red Hawks!! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 09, 2010, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 08, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
Ripon Reports in 4 days!  I am very excited for this season!  Can't wait to see what comes from the good 'ole Red Hawks!! 

That's what I'm talkin' bout!  It's in the air.  We leave tomorrow 6AM.  13 hours.  Can't wait to get there.  I'm really looking forward to the season.  Good luck to your Red Hawks!  Perhaps only a "travel safe" on the weekend of 10/23! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 09, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 09, 2010, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 08, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
Ripon Reports in 4 days!  I am very excited for this season!  Can't wait to see what comes from the good 'ole Red Hawks!! 

That's what I'm talkin' bout!  It's in the air.  We leave tomorrow 6AM.  13 hours.  Can't wait to get there.  I'm really looking forward to the season.  Good luck to your Red Hawks!  Perhaps only a "travel safe" on the weekend of 10/23! ;)

Good luck to you also and safe travels.  Depending on my work schedule I will try and make it to that game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 09, 2010, 03:54:42 PM
Thanks!  Wish I could be there.  I'll be at the one the week before.  Homecoming. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 09, 2010, 07:31:28 PM
blu, a wish for very safe travels. Be cautious on the roads.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on August 09, 2010, 10:23:01 PM
http://www.snc.edu/athletics/teamfiles/football//tailgatingpolicy.pdf
Tailgating policy for SNC's new FB park....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 09, 2010, 10:24:59 PM
Thanks man!  Kind of an emotional night.  We're excited, but Jamie's the last to leave the nest. :(  This board and the enthusiasm for the conference and D3 football it has provided, has really got us pumped.  Good luck to SNC this year (with the same caviat as offered the Redhawks). ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 09, 2010, 10:30:26 PM
Thanks Pete. I saw that earlier this evening. Looks fair. Not sure if it is really different than what they have now for rules as I never saw any before. I like that they are stating times for tailgating and when the stadium will be open. Not sure about the halftime limitations but that may be a formality. No big deal.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 10, 2010, 01:46:59 AM
The guidelines seems reasonable to me.  Bottom line is, they are asking the fans to show some self control.  I think I could even live by these rules.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on August 10, 2010, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 09, 2010, 10:24:59 PM
Thanks man!  Kind of an emotional night.  We're excited, but Jamie's the last to leave the nest. :(  This board and the enthusiasm for the conference and D3 football it has provided, has really got us pumped.  Good luck to SNC this year (with the same caviat as offered the Redhawks). ;)

Enjoy every minute of your son's college football career.  Trust me, it will be over in the blink of an eye.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 10, 2010, 09:27:58 AM
Is that the TRUTH!  Going into Senior year already. Wow. Where did the time go.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 10, 2010, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on August 10, 2010, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 09, 2010, 10:24:59 PM
Thanks man!  Kind of an emotional night.  We're excited, but Jamie's the last to leave the nest. :(  This board and the enthusiasm for the conference and D3 football it has provided, has really got us pumped.  Good luck to SNC this year (with the same caviat as offered the Redhawks). ;)

Enjoy every minute of your son's college football career.  Trust me, it will be over in the blink of an eye.   ;)
Quote

Kinda like high school. Where'd that go? My daughter graduates from UT this Dec. Seems like yesterday I was making this same trip to Austin. Update: We're in Arkansas. See y'all soon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 10, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on August 10, 2010, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 09, 2010, 10:24:59 PM
Thanks man!  Kind of an emotional night.  We're excited, but Jamie's the last to leave the nest. :(  This board and the enthusiasm for the conference and D3 football it has provided, has really got us pumped.  Good luck to SNC this year (with the same caviat as offered the Redhawks). ;)

Enjoy every minute of your son's college football career.  Trust me, it will be over in the blink of an eye.   ;)

And make sure you purchase Kickoff so you can get a handle on what the rest of Division III football looks like this year.

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 10, 2010, 01:53:33 PM
Just did. Thanks for the reminder Pat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 10, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
ok Monmouth College insiders- how are the respective units going to compare to last year? I know the o-line is losing some key individuals, and the d-line is losing a couple of ends and Wells from the backfield. Hopefully there are some capable replacements  ready to step in.  The linebackers seem solid. The two main concerns I have is pass protection and stopping the run.  MC's run defense wasn't good in the playoff game albeit against a pretty big line.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 11, 2010, 08:05:54 AM
Okay, IC insiders...  Oh, wait, there don't appear to be any.  :(  I guess I'm it!  For now!  But beware, 8.12.10 marks a new dawn for IC football!  Blueboy Nation, or should I say "Domi-Nation" is on taking shape.  Did I ever tell you the one about OU and Bob Stoops?  God, I love this time of year!  Best of luck to all this season!  Oh yeah, we made it to St. Louis. Is it always this cool in the summer?  Where's the humidity? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 11, 2010, 08:20:24 AM
And make sure you purchase Kickoff so you can get a handle on what the rest of Division III football looks like this year.

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/

Depspite your ommission of IC from the top 25, I have suspended my boycott of your publication, and made the purchase. ;D  I look forward to the 24th...  Thanks in advance, Jim
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 11, 2010, 10:16:59 AM
Hey Blu while you are in the St. Louis area don't forget to drive around East St. Louis in the great state of Illinois and take in all the sights. Some of Illinois best high school teams of your era came from there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 11, 2010, 10:37:10 AM
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 11, 2010, 12:02:47 PM
Ya if he actually takes that tour we might be calling him Cold and Blue thru n thru
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 11, 2010, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 11, 2010, 10:16:59 AM
Hey Blu while you are in the St. Louis area don't forget to drive around East St. Louis in the great state of Illinois and take in all the sights. Some of Illinois best high school teams of your era came from there.
Sadly, I'd do it, if my wife weren't with me...  :D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 11, 2010, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 08, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
Ripon Reports in 4 days!  I am very excited for this season!  Can't wait to see what comes from the good 'ole Red Hawks!! 

11.5 hours now until camp starts!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 12, 2010, 07:54:38 AM
It's here!  The light came creeping into my hotel window and brought with it, football.  We're in Jacksonville.  Reporting to camp today!  What an wonderful time of year! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 12, 2010, 08:49:08 AM
It's going to be a hot one today!!!  Good thing there are no pads today...  Hot advisory for most of Wisconsin today.  Get a lot of water!!  and SUCK IT UP!!! :) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 12, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
Hot?  Pssssh!  Child please! ;D  This ain't hot.  My son things this is spring time.  Where's the humidity?  Now, wait until we whineabout the cold (when it gets to 40).  Then y'all can "Child please" us... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 12, 2010, 10:35:57 AM
I can't wait for you to visit De Pere in October. It could be 80. It could be 20!  But you really should come visit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 12, 2010, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 12, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
Hot?  Pssssh!  Child please! ;D  This ain't hot.  My son things this is spring time.  Where's the humidity?  Now, wait until we whineabout the cold (when it gets to 40).  Then y'all can "Child please" us... 

The humidity is here!!  My shirt is soaked when I walk out the door.  Might be a little more Humid here in Wisconsin then in FIB country...  40?  That is still warm watch people walking around in shorts when it's 35 degrees.  Your son will be in a snow suit when it's 40 out and everyone else will be in hoodies and shorts, lol.  He'll get used to it..  Just make sure he isn't the person wearing sleeves during the games, there are only 2 people that wear sleeves during games, Kickers, and water boys....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 12, 2010, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 12, 2010, 10:35:57 AM
I can't wait for you to visit De Pere in October. It could be 80. It could be 20!  But you really should come visit.

If you spend at least six hours up there it could be both.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 12, 2010, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 12, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
Hot?  Pssssh!  Child please! ;D  This ain't hot.  My son things this is spring time.  Where's the humidity?  Now, wait until we whineabout the cold (when it gets to 40).  Then y'all can "Child please" us... 

Psssh!, "Child Please" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEm5YUKsilw)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 12, 2010, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 12, 2010, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 12, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
Hot?  Pssssh!  Child please! ;D  This ain't hot.  My son things this is spring time.  Where's the humidity?  Now, wait until we whineabout the cold (when it gets to 40).  Then y'all can "Child please" us... 

The humidity is here!!  My shirt is soaked when I walk out the door.  Might be a little more Humid here in Wisconsin then in FIB country...  40?  That is still warm watch people walking around in shorts when it's 35 degrees.  Your son will be in a snow suit when it's 40 out and everyone else will be in hoodies and shorts, lol.  He'll get used to it..  Just make sure he isn't the person wearing sleeves during the games, there are only 2 people that wear sleeves during games, Kickers, and water boys....

Well than Ripon must have water MEN.....because I didnt see any sleeves.  Only kickers i guess.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 12, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
So, is Monmouth going to have a quarterback this year or are they going to try to make due with that underachiever they had last year?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 13, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
Okay.  I stand corrected.  It's freakin' hot!  Humidity??  Sure, but not too bad.  Houston is 94+% every day from about April to October.  But after a day of carting my son's stuff from car to dorm, I wasn't worth a dang last night. 

But Jamie's there.  He's officially a Blueboy!  And after seeing the incoming class, I am all the more convinced that my rant about seeing the future, is on target.  I totally respect everyone's cautions that I haven't the historical perspective to make that statement.  But I'm goin' back to work on the bandwagon!  There'll always be room for everyone. I'll just keep adding more seats.  However, I'm thinking of creating coach and 1st class seating.  The former being for those buying their tickets now...

We're probably gonna be young for another year, but that distant sound you hear is the the Blueboy drum corp leading them to battle.  We're headin your way!  And it doesn't end well for you!  Good luck to all this season!   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 13, 2010, 09:38:03 AM
I've been involved in this conference for over 15 + years, and IC has only had a handful of winning seasons.  I always hope for tough games, that make the MWC a stronger conference, however i don't see the blue balls being a force during your son's 4 years, MAYBE his senior year.  I'm just saying, history speaks for itself.  Now, I hope that your son has a great experience and has fun at IC...    You can check out this site (http://www2.ic.edu/Athletic/MFootball/Archives/atharchivefbyby.htm) for the historic background of the Blue Balls...

Have a great weekend.. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 13, 2010, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: warthog on August 12, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
So, is Monmouth going to have a quarterback this year or are they going to try to make due with that underachiever they had last year?  ;)

I'm afraid they are stuck with him for one more year.  2011 can't come fast enough!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 57Johnnie on August 13, 2010, 06:01:15 PM
Been asked by MIAC  to post this Dallas training camp link on this board for your resident Texan.  :P

http://www.dallasobserver.com/slideshow/lingerie-football-league-training-camp-30646724/2/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 13, 2010, 10:14:06 PM
I think someone has been spending way too much time around an all male campus!   :D

For that slide show of dudes in leotards, I summon the great words of my boy, blu:  Hot?  Pssssh!  Child please!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 13, 2010, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: 57Johnnie on August 13, 2010, 06:01:15 PM
Been asked by MIAC  to post this Dallas training camp link on this board for your resident Texan.  :P

http://www.dallasobserver.com/slideshow/lingerie-football-league-training-camp-30646724/2/

What do you think are the qualifications for a coach for one of those teams? How to use eye black must be high up on the list!!  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Goal Line Stand on August 14, 2010, 05:29:51 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 13, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
Okay.  I stand corrected.  It's freakin' hot!  Humidity??  Sure, but not too bad.  Houston is 94+% every day from about April to October.  But after a day of carting my son's stuff from car to dorm, I wasn't worth a dang last night. 

But Jamie's there.  He's officially a Blueboy!  And after seeing the incoming class, I am all the more convinced that my rant about seeing the future, is on target.  I totally respect everyone's cautions that I haven't the historical perspective to make that statement.  But I'm goin' back to work on the bandwagon!  There'll always be room for everyone. I'll just keep adding more seats.  However, I'm thinking of creating coach and 1st class seating.  The former being for those buying their tickets now...

We're probably gonna be young for another year, but that distant sound you hear is the the Blueboy drum corp leading them to battle.  We're headin your way!  And it doesn't end well for you!  Good luck to all this season!   :)
Ya gotta love rookies!    ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 15, 2010, 08:49:54 AM
Rookie? You bet! But only on this board and where it pertains to MWC football. But I will stand toe to toe with any of you when it comes to assessing talent, coaching, and the direction the impact of both. Y'all keep relying on your precious history. I understand that it's safe for you there. I'll rely on what I see. And I'll laugh last and loudest. 

I have further bad news... If you know much about Dallas, those might actally be dudes in those photos.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on August 15, 2010, 03:32:50 PM
Ah, I see the Houston-Dallas wars continue - though I would have expected that comment to come first from someone in Dallas.

The best option is to avoid both and live in Austin. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 57Johnnie on August 15, 2010, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: tmerton on August 15, 2010, 03:32:50 PM

The best option is to avoid both and live in Austin. 8-)
...... how about Van Horn?  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 15, 2010, 06:06:36 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 15, 2010, 08:49:54 AM
Rookie? You bet! But only on this board and where it pertains to MWC football. But I will stand toe to toe with any of you when it comes to assessing talent, coaching, and the direction the impact of both. Y'all keep relying on your precious history. I understand that it's safe for you there. I'll rely on what I see. And I'll laugh last and loudest. 

I have further bad news... If you know much about Dallas, those might actally be dudes in those photos.  ;D

So you are telling me that you are able to assess talent and coaching from a couple games and a visit to the campus?  I don't need history to know that it's going to be awhile before the Blue Balls are a power house, I need common sense.  But as I said before, I wish your son the best!   The nice thing about the MWC is that it's truly about the love for the sport. 

HOw's camp been for him?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on August 15, 2010, 09:30:14 PM
Well this my very post on this site.

So I figured it should be a good one.  And after seeing the roster of the Fighting Scots they finish 8-2 or even 7-3.  To many players didn't return to camp.  (I count about 15).  The class of 2011 started with 59 freshman and as they enter their senior year only 17 are left.  And if 9 of them start I would be shocked.   Well that should get ya'll going for now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 15, 2010, 10:14:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Football on August 15, 2010, 09:30:14 PM
.....after seeing the roster of the Fighting Scots they finish 8-2 or even 7-3.  To many players didn't return to camp.  (I count about 15).  The class of 2011 started with 59 freshman and as they enter their senior year only 17 are left.  And if 9 of them start I would be shocked.   Well that should get ya'll going for now.

I suggest we not listen to this new guy.  He is probably a secret agent.  I think this will prove to be misinformation out of the Monmouth camp.  You Scotsmen will do anything to catch the rest of us off guard.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on August 15, 2010, 11:44:43 PM
Ouch!!!  That hurts.  But oh well.  That's just one man's thoughts...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 16, 2010, 12:14:13 AM
Quote from: Mr. Football on August 15, 2010, 11:44:43 PM
Ouch!!!  That hurts.  But oh well.  That's just one man's thoughts...


Mr. Football, you have to realize that most posters on here were born in Missouri!  ;)
Secondly, you need to be fully updated on the word sarcasm -- most posters will use the emoticons to show it, but some don't. Thirdly, as you wrote in your first post, you should've made it a good one, like you wanted.  ;)  You're on your own now. Hope you can improve on post #1 ;) I'll start by giving your first +k as motivation...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2010, 12:52:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Football on August 15, 2010, 09:30:14 PM
The class of 2011 started with 59 freshman and as they enter their senior year only 17 are left.  

This is not unusual in Division III.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 16, 2010, 09:25:24 AM
Bobo: You're giving him +K for that wealth of knowledge (insert emoticon of choice here) and I'm stuck on 17!??  No, make that 16!  Hey, who spited me??  Show yourself!  Show yourself!!  PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT!!!   :-X :-\ :'( ::) ??? :o

I'll predict that whoever makes it to opening day (or I guess it is "night" for Warburg's 7:00 p.m. kickoff) for the Scots should be able to post a solid 6-4, at least.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 09:35:25 AM
Quote from: tmerton on August 15, 2010, 03:32:50 PM
Ah, I see the Houston-Dallas wars continue - though I would have expected that comment to come first from someone in Dallas.

The best option is to avoid both and live in Austin. 8-)

10-4 on Austin!  It's where to live in this state.  And yes the battle continues.  We're trying to get Dallas annexed by Oklahoma, but even they don't want them...  I lived in Dallas.  Had to move.  Refused to wear Polo shirts, Grey Flannel cologne, and RayBan's, as I drove my BMW 3-series to the grocery store.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 16, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
Quote from: scottie on August 16, 2010, 09:25:24 AM
Bobo: You're giving him +K for that wealth of knowledge (insert emoticon of choice here) and I'm stuck on 17!??  No, make that 16! 

QuoteI'll start by giving your first +k as motivation...

The quote clearly shows why it was given...don't try to make it out to be anything else.   ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 10:20:35 AM
Blue Balls...  Now that's funny!  I shared it with my 8th grade football players and they tought it was hysterical too! It's right up there with the aggie's clever usage of the term "tu" (texas university) in their reference to THE University of Texas (UT).  I don't imagine I have to tell you how highly regarded aggies are for their cleverness.

Dude, tell me you made up "Blue Balls".  Cuz seriously, I was cracking up the first time I read it, but when I saw it the second time, I 'bout s#&t myself laughing.  I think it's time for BTNT (apologies for the 3rd person reference) to pack it in.  I don't have the football IQ to hang, and there's no way I can keep pace with that kinda wit!  It's been fun, but I must yield to the true masters of this medium.  Besides, IC doesn't stand a chance. At least not according to those who actually know football...  Oh no!  My karma dropped a point...  Hide the sharp objects.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 16, 2010, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 10:20:35 AM
Blue Balls...  Now that's funny!  

Do you think the Blue Man Group is "equipped" with those, too? or the Smurfs?
According to their website (http://www.smurf.com/smurf.php/www/facts/en)...
Quotethe little blue men are sure to have plenty of surprises for fans in the years to come.
Could this really be talking about btnt's blue boy nation? Only time will tell!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on August 16, 2010, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 09:35:25 AM
I lived in Dallas.  Had to move.  Refused to wear Polo shirts, Grey Flannel cologne, and RayBan's, as I drove my BMW 3-series to the grocery store.  

Ah, so you were hanging with the SMU set. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 10:51:53 AM
BoBo- There's a reason you're an All-American with such an impressive karma rating...  Blue Man Group and Smurfs, great stuff!  And you come with props (link to Smurf's website).  And thank you for at least acknowledging that time will tell.  If I could give K points...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: tmerton on August 16, 2010, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 09:35:25 AM
I lived in Dallas.  Had to move.  Refused to wear Polo shirts, Grey Flannel cologne, and RayBan's, as I drove my BMW 3-series to the grocery store.  

Ah, so you were hanging with the SMU set. 8-)

Nah. Couldn't hang.  Besides, that ain't just the SMU set.  That's just Dallas... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 16, 2010, 02:08:19 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 10:20:35 AM
Blue Balls...  Now that's funny!  I shared it with my 8th grade football players and they tought it was hysterical too! It's right up there with the aggie's clever usage of the term "tu" (texas university) in their reference to THE University of Texas (UT).  I don't imagine I have to tell you how highly regarded aggies are for their cleverness.

Dude, tell me you made up "Blue Balls".  Cuz seriously, I was cracking up the first time I read it, but when I saw it the second time, I 'bout s#&t myself laughing.  I think it's time for BTNT (apologies for the 3rd person reference) to pack it in.  I don't have the football IQ to hang, and there's no way I can keep pace with that kinda wit!  It's been fun, but I must yield to the true masters of this medium.  Besides, IC doesn't stand a chance. At least not according to those who actually know football...  Oh no!  My karma dropped a point...  Hide the sharp objects.


Yes Yes.  It's not the cleverest thing ever written, but that is what they have been called since I can remember.  I love the banter back and forth and I only post when I feel there is something to be written to clarify or to fire someone up.  So have a great season and I'm sure you'll hear more from me soon enough.  Good Luck.. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 16, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Thanks for the support, guys...I feel like last week's stock market! Must reflect your appreciation of my commitment to the MWC all of these years, but oh well.....  ;) 

Looking forward to my baker's dozen.   :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 16, 2010, 05:33:36 PM
Hey Mr. Football just for the record which two or 3 teams are going to beat Monmouth this year? I am also curious as to  who these key loses are for Monmouth in regards to the 15 or so who dropped out of the program. (Positions will do -no need for names here) I know MC have a few positions to fill from the graduating seniors. Finally I hardly doubt that MC's recent success is hurting their recruiting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 05:44:20 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 16, 2010, 05:33:36 PM
Hey Mr. Football just for the record which two or 3 teams are going to beat Monmouth this year? I am also curious as to  who these key loses are for Monmouth in regards to the 15 or so who dropped out of the program. (Positions will do -no need for names here) I know MC have a few positions to fill from the graduating seniors. Finally I hardly doubt that MC's recent success is hurting their recruiting.
I think I know where one of those losses will come. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 17, 2010, 02:34:27 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 16, 2010, 10:51:53 AM
If I could give K points...

Patience young grasshopper -- that day will come sooner than you think...by my projections in approximately 39.7628 days!!  :o  For now, an IOU is sufficient!!  ;)   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 17, 2010, 11:34:22 AM
But Master!  I do not believe I shall ever be able to take the pebble from your hand... 

Now, as for the Scots, Knights, and Red Hawks...  The pebble has already been taken.  They just don't know it yet. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: labart96 on August 17, 2010, 03:44:34 PM
From today's WSJ:

Beloit College Mindset List (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/08/17/mindset-list-finds-class-of-2014-cant-write-in-cursive-considers-nirvana-classic-rock/)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 17, 2010, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 15, 2010, 08:49:54 AM
Rookie? You bet! But only on this board and where it pertains to MWC football. But I will stand toe to toe with any of you when it comes to assessing talent, coaching, and the direction the impact of both. Y'all keep relying on your precious history. I understand that it's safe for you there. I'll rely on what I see. And I'll laugh last and loudest. 



Yes anyone who assess talent and can predict a classe's future success by just watching the players move into their dorm rooms must really know the game.  Blu I  think there might be some pics on the net from Monmouth's annual town clean-up day. Maybe you can look at those and let us know what kind of special teams were going to have this year. I did run into a few of the Scot's players at Buffalo Wild Wings in Galesburg this past winter and from what I can tell they are in for a big season. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on August 17, 2010, 06:55:08 PM
 I am also curious as to  who these key loses are for Monmouth in regards to the 15 or so who dropped out of the program. (Positions will do -no need for names here) I know MC have a few positions to fill from the graduating seniors.



Running Backs (5), Tight end (1), Wide Receivers (3) and Offensive linemen (3)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 17, 2010, 07:01:43 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 17, 2010, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 15, 2010, 08:49:54 AM
Rookie? You bet! But only on this board and where it pertains to MWC football. But I will stand toe to toe with any of you when it comes to assessing talent, coaching, and the direction the impact of both. Y'all keep relying on your precious history. I understand that it's safe for you there. I'll rely on what I see. And I'll laugh last and loudest. 



Yes anyone who assess talent and can predict a classe's future success by just watching the players move into their dorm rooms must really know the game.  Blu I  think there might be some pics on the net from Monmouth's annual town clean-up day. Maybe you can look at those and let us know what kind of special teams were going to have this year. I did run into a few of the Scot's players at Buffalo Wild Wings in Galesburg this past winter and from what I can tell they are in for a big season. 

You win, dude!  I've tried unsuccessfully to make a simple point.  Evidently not simple enough for some.  And now I'm bored.  I guess I must accept that IC will forever be a .500 team.  No coach can, or ever has, turned around a program.  What is today, will forever be.  Hell, It's just nice that there are programs willing to be fodder for Monmouth and SNC. 

BTW, Mr. Football, good luck!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 17, 2010, 07:14:01 PM
jeez blu i'm giving you a hard time.  as for mr. football ok most of those losses were seniors, they like most teams aren't going to return all of there starters but a few of those losses are from kids weren't going to see the field.  When you look at how easily MC ran through their schedule I doubt that 3 teams are going to make up that much difference on their losses.  I guess you are also sayiong that the replacements for these kids aren't very good.  If Monmouth gets beat in the regular season it will truely be an upset. Can it happen sure, but not 3 times. Other than their usual hosing at Ripon which teams do you think have a chance. I'm guessing u will say Wartburg and SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on August 17, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
None of those are seniors.  Thats just kids that didnt return for whatever reason..
(grades, money, lost the love or just didnt get any)

Need starting RB for starters (VERY BIG HOLE) and the offense line is slim picking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 17, 2010, 08:05:28 PM
Camp Open.

blu, do not change. The intensity and enthusiasm is outstanding.

Moncolfan, never underestimate Wart burg at home.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on August 17, 2010, 08:18:21 PM
Wartburg, SNC and  IC,  If they dont have a running game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 18, 2010, 12:54:23 AM
A cool article that looks at the best DIII players in Wisconsin for preseason, and has some MWC faces in the crowd:

WI All-D3 Preseaon Team - Defense (http://www.insidewisconsinsports.com/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&SiteID=2477FFEE2D4240CBB5B323AEB9C13634&tier=4&id=A179749FEF2B4046A64CA36D9E4E14D1)

DL- Jeff Trinka - Ripon
LB- Tony Baratti - Beloit
LB- Justin Baker - SNC
DB- Kurt Roeder - Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 18, 2010, 12:58:21 AM
All good things from Ripon camp so far, except thunderstorms cancelled the first practice and the players missed out on running the conditioning test.  Looks like Albert Haynesworth shouldve went to Ripon this fall, atleast he would be playing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 18, 2010, 02:38:16 AM
Mr. Football I love your posts so far...keep those Scots hungry.

As for whose got chance...the usual: the non-conf. opponent (Wartburg), SNC, and Ripon.  And by got a chance I mean they will beat them if the Scots don't play their best.  I couldn't see them losing to all three, but 8-2 is definitely possible especially if they struggle week 1.  We'll learn a lot about this team right away against Wartburg.  I'm still hopeful for another 10-0 though.

As for btnt...I agree w/ sncoldad, I like the enthusiasm but only if you still have it after IC gets their teeth kicked by the likes of SNC, Ripon, or Monmouth.  You keep talking about turning a program around has been done before, but you keep refering to d1 programs.  I truly feel that it is much easier to turn around a d1 program compared to a d3 program, and here's why.   In d1 you atleast have the equal playing field of the same amount of scholarships as other schools.  In d3 there are no scholarships, and players choose schools even more based on winning.

I do wish you good luck though this season, as well as everyone in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 12:02:25 PM
Enthusiasm and belief, rather certainty, will remain.  They will be tested this year.  Make no mistake, I think we'll be improved, but still a work in progress.  If in two years my predictions are not taking shape, then I'll have to change my rant, but the enthusiasm and support will remain blu thru and thru...  ;)

I use D1 b/c it's my immediate frame of reference, and one in which I believe most have at least some familiarity.  Now as for your D1 vs. D3 comparison, I couldn't disagree more.  But I limit that disagreement to your premise that all D1 programs are on equal footing.  With all do respect, absolutely false.  In fact, there is a growing chasm between the "haves" and "have-nots".  This gap's continued expansion is driven by the ever-growing media influence (largely TV and internet).  Blue chip kids are very savvy to where their best opportunities lie.  Thus, the big and bad are growing bigger and badder.  And you won't see any change in that anytime soon.  

I'll use our local rivalry between the sheep-herders at a&m and THE University of Texas.  There was a time when local blue-chips (those not going OOS) were split down the middle.  The perception was that the opportunities were the same at both.  Now, there is no comparison between the two.  UT doesn't recruit, it selects.  It selects from a pool of players that aren't even putting the ags on their radar.  The Texas School of Animal Husbandry "recruits" from what remains.  Oh, and for the record, that began with the arrival of Mack Brown.  

I know there will be backlash from those trying to maintain the status quo, but there is no way I'll be convinced that the right coach cannot turn a program around.  As long as he has administrative support.  Which Coach Campbell is receiving.  I do agree that winning is a major influence.  Correct at all levels.  My son selected IC because of its dynamic new (relatively) coach and the direction he sees the program heading.  I have said before there are things I know and have seen, that have me convinced that this is a program ready to take a dramatic step up.  Again, maybe it'll take a couple years before y'all are willing to concede that I was right.  This board is not the place for me to make those observations public in defense of my premise.  At least not now.  This year we'll be improved.  In two years, we'll be feared!  Boo-ya! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 18, 2010, 12:13:48 PM
blu, can I ask you to take a look at St Norbert history. Pay close attention to when the present coach came to SNC. You might find this VERY interesting. :)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 01:19:33 PM
Yup!  That is interesting.  It would appear that SNC had lost, somewhat, their championship tradition for a period of about 10 years prior to the arrival of the current coach.  I don't know the reason, but I'm thinking coaching had something to do with it.  And, may I also say, very impressive run since!  Sorry we have to bring it to an end... ;)

Now, I'm expecting some feeback from those that will content that at least you once had a winning tradition and that, historically, IC hasn't.  But winning traditions have to start somewhere/sometime.  IC's is beginning now.  With this coach and the raised level of energy, admistrative support, and recruiting savvy and ability that he has brought.

For those wishing to regurgitate the same historical rhetoric that helps them sleep at night, just remember, the world was not always round...  And to them, I guess I should confirm, y'all are aware that the world's no longer flat, right?  :)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on August 18, 2010, 02:01:41 PM
I completely agree with Blu that a coach can turn around a D3 program. But I admit I laughed out loud at the claim IC will be "feared" in two years. How far you figure that fear to extend, Blu? I follow a difference conference, but just wondering if you think the fear will spread over the entire states of Illinois and Wisconsin. I know fear is one emotion we haven't experienced much of lately in my neck of the woods!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on August 18, 2010, 02:01:41 PM
I completely agree with Blu that a coach can turn around a D3 program. But I admit I laughed out loud at the claim IC will be "feared" in two years. How far you figure that fear to extend, Blu? I follow a difference conference, but just wondering if you think the fear will spread over the entire states of Illinois and Wisconsin. I know fear is one emotion we haven't experienced much of lately in my neck of the woods!  ;)
You're safe for now.  The fear is only extended to the MWC.  3 years from now, you'll be served notice. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 18, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 01:19:33 PM
Yup!  That is interesting.  It would appear that SNC had lost, somewhat, their championship tradition for a period of about 10 years prior to the arrival of the current coach.  I don't know the reason, but I'm thinking coaching had something to do with it.  And, may I also say, very impressive run since!  Sorry we have to bring it to an end... ;)

Now, I'm expecting some feeback from those that will content that at least you once had a winning tradition and that, historically, IC hasn't.  But winning traditions have to start somewhere/sometime.  IC's is beginning now.  With this coach and the raised level of energy, admistrative support, and recruiting savvy and ability that he has brought.

For those wishing to regurgitate the same historical rhetoric that helps them sleep at night, just remember, the world was not always round...  And to them, I guess I should confirm, y'all are aware that the world's no longer flat, right?  :)



Are you getting paid from IC for all this banter?  ;D I love the faith and excitement that you show for your son and for IC, it's great to see people on here with passion..... But I agree that you will need to come back to IC after your son has graduated to see a school to be reckening with... 

I would make the trip to the IC game if I knew I would be able to put a face with the name.. 

Have a great day and sounds like camp is going well for the Red Hawks..  Anyone else know abou their teams?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 18, 2010, 03:44:34 PM
Some might argue that Coach Bell did a pretty good job turning around the MC program.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 18, 2010, 03:44:34 PM
Some might argue that Coach Bell did a pretty good job turning around the MC program.....
Okay, so now everyone's got a story about coaches turning programs around??? ;)  Kidding aside.  Met him.  Very good guy.  There's reason for his success, too. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 18, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 01:19:33 PM
Yup!  That is interesting.  It would appear that SNC had lost, somewhat, their championship tradition for a period of about 10 years prior to the arrival of the current coach.  I don't know the reason, but I'm thinking coaching had something to do with it.  And, may I also say, very impressive run since!  Sorry we have to bring it to an end... ;)

Now, I'm expecting some feeback from those that will content that at least you once had a winning tradition and that, historically, IC hasn't.  But winning traditions have to start somewhere/sometime.  IC's is beginning now.  With this coach and the raised level of energy, admistrative support, and recruiting savvy and ability that he has brought.

For those wishing to regurgitate the same historical rhetoric that helps them sleep at night, just remember, the world was not always round...  And to them, I guess I should confirm, y'all are aware that the world's no longer flat, right?  :)



Are you getting paid from IC for all this banter?  ;D I love the faith and excitement that you show for your son and for IC, it's great to see people on here with passion..... But I agree that you will need to come back to IC after your son has graduated to see a school to be reckening with... 

I would make the trip to the IC game if I knew I would be able to put a face with the name.. 

Have a great day and sounds like camp is going well for the Red Hawks..  Anyone else know abou their teams?

Paid?  Yeah!  I'm getting paid about -$30K/year.  That'll create some enthusiasm.  Actually, Coach Campbell would probably rather have me keep a lower profile.  But hey, that just ain't my style. 

We will meet.  Don't suspect it'll be this year, though.  Jamie's probably not gonna play much, if at all.  But I'm hitting the Lake Forest (Family Day) game, Knox (Homecoming), and Beloit (away) this year.   

Camp at IC has been great.  With the heat, they've been working out in their new bubble.  That's nice!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 18, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
blu, why the Beloit game out of curiosity?     ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 18, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
blu, why the Beloit game out of curiosity?     ???

You don't see the theme?  Looking for an easy "W"!  Duh!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 18, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
blu, why the Beloit game out of curiosity?     ???

You don't see the theme?  Looking for an easy "W", duh!


Just kidding. ;D  Thought we might could wake up The Roop... 

Chicago's an easy in & out and I have an aunt that lives in Rockford who wants to see a game.  She can't travel too far, so the geography works.  She'll make others the following year.  SNC is a MUST, but I'm timing that for when I'm more certain we'll come away with a win... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 18, 2010, 05:57:46 PM
I was hoping Ripon was away at SNC this year so I could check out the new stadium. I wonder if the stadium will be 100% done by Sept. 25th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 18, 2010, 08:08:05 PM
Took a tour of the new stadium this past Saturday. It will be ready for opening day Labor Day weekend against St Thomas. Now remember. All you need is a field - it is great - bleachers - all in place - scoreboard - up and I believe it has been tested with 25 second clocks - and an area to tailgate - Oh Yeah, the tailgating will start at 9:00 AM sharp!

It is beautiful and something that all can be proud of, especially one person. You know who you are. :)

I said it before and I will say it again.... I Look forward to IC visiting us and both teams being undefeated at that time.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on August 18, 2010, 11:55:04 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 18, 2010, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on August 18, 2010, 02:01:41 PM
I completely agree with Blu that a coach can turn around a D3 program. But I admit I laughed out loud at the claim IC will be "feared" in two years. How far you figure that fear to extend, Blu? I follow a difference conference, but just wondering if you think the fear will spread over the entire states of Illinois and Wisconsin. I know fear is one emotion we haven't experienced much of lately in my neck of the woods!  ;)
You're safe for now.  The fear is only extended to the MWC.  3 years from now, you'll be served notice. ;D

+k   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 19, 2010, 12:22:50 AM
btnt...just saying with all your chatter, nobody's gonna feel sorry for ya if half way through this season after you've seen a couple games you change your mind about coach campbell and your chances at your expectations.

funny stat I'm sure you'll like:   the year before coach campbell came to IC the blueboys took the scots to overtime on the road in a 26-23 loss.  The two years he's been there they've been outscored  122-34 against MC.  I'm sure he didn't mention that one on any recruiting visits.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2010, 01:07:13 AM
btnt,

I love your enthusiasm!

I'm becoming a Blue Boys fan (though I have a mentally-impaired niece living near Monmouth College, who is often assisted by Monmouth students or grads, so I can't root for you on that one - sorry ;)).

But to inject a bit of reality; if IC is a legitimate threat to UWW (or for the Stagg, if UWW should tumble) within three years, I will personally lobby Pat to get you Hall of Fame status! :D  If IC is even a threat to a mid-level CCIW team in three years, my sincere congratulations.  (And even the CCIW champ has not been a serious Stagg Bowl contender for a couple of decades.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 19, 2010, 07:21:46 AM
Hey, btnt has this board more active in the past month than it usually is in a whole year.  This is a good thing. 

I have yet to see a parent not think their son made a great choice and is optimistic that his son and his school will see a fair amount of success during their time at school.  I have also not seen any of these parents go and jump off a bridge if this success did not happen.  Most continue to be a supporter of their school and continue to post on here after their kid finishes school.  It doesn't matter if the school is going 8-2 and threatening a playoff run or is going 2-8 and getting beat up more weekends than not. 

We're all still fans of our favorite schools.  It doesn't matter if that team is consistant winning program or a school that struggles on the field.  My Dubuque Spartans have won 27 conference games during the past 20 years...yet every August I am sure that THIS is the year the Spartans rise up and strike fear in the hearts of the rest of the IIAC.  It could happen this year...if it doesn't, there is always next year.  I think btnt is right to encourage his son to dream that with hard work, he and his classmates can achieve great things while they are in school.  They should be going out on the practice field with those thoughts.  That's why we compete and actually play the games.  To see who is the best.  I'm confident that with or without success, btnt will still be travelling north to tailgate and cheer on his son over the coming 4 years. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 19, 2010, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on August 19, 2010, 12:22:50 AM

funny stat I'm sure you'll like:   the year before coach campbell came to IC the blueboys took the scots to overtime on the road in a 26-23 loss.  The two years he's been there they've been outscored  122-34 against MC.  I'm sure he didn't mention that one on any recruiting visits.

That stat is a little misleading because it includes the 78-17 game in his first year.  You've got to cut the coach a little slack for getting those first year adjustments out of the way.  He knocked 34 points off of the outcome in year two (44-17).  You know what happens if he finds another 34 points to slash in year three???.....17-10 IC!!!  I'm sure that could have been part of the recruiting pitch.  You heard it hear first!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on August 19, 2010, 12:22:50 AM
btnt...just saying with all your chatter, nobody's gonna feel sorry for ya if half way through this season after you've seen a couple games you change your mind about coach campbell and your chances at your expectations.

funny stat I'm sure you'll like:   the year before coach campbell came to IC the blueboys took the scots to overtime on the road in a 26-23 loss.  The two years he's been there they've been outscored  122-34 against MC.  I'm sure he didn't mention that one on any recruiting visits.

Okay Grasshopper, now it's time for you to try to take the pebble from my hand... ;)

First, I expect more from you than to use those irrelevant results, and/or expect them to have any bearing on what I believe will take place in the next several years.  I mean, c'mon dude.  Raise your game! :)  There's so many holes that can be shot in your premise (based on the results you, sadly, took the time to present), all which I've covered in the last month, that it's not even worth adressing.

Second, if you've been paying attention,  I've only said that we'll be improved this year.  If I'm more optimistic than the results should bear, no biggie.  I'll just do what I've coached my players to do for 15 years, and what I've taught my son to do his entire life; bow my neck and press on.  But rest assured.  There'll be no quit.  And, even more important, there'll be no expectation of sympathy.  Just as there should be none on your part when I'm ultimately proven correct.  ;D

Oh, and I still hold the pebble! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2010, 01:07:13 AM
btnt,

I love your enthusiasm!

I'm becoming a Blue Boys fan (though I have a mentally-impaired niece living near Monmouth College, who is often assisted by Monmouth students or grads, so I can't root for you on that one - sorry ;)).

But to inject a bit of reality; if IC is a legitimate threat to UWW (or for the Stagg, if UWW should tumble) within three years, I will personally lobby Pat to get you Hall of Fame status! :D  If IC is even a threat to a mid-level CCIW team in three years, my sincere congratulations.  (And even the CCIW champ has not been a serious Stagg Bowl contender for a couple of decades.)

Hey Man! Thanks!  You said "should".  Thus you're allowing for a chance! ;)  It's progress. I gotta know though, what kind of money comes with Hall of Fame status?  I'm factoring every potentiality into my retirement planning...

If we're your #3, I'll take it!  Particularly given your reasons for #'s 2 & 3.  Best of luck to your #1 team... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 10:36:20 AM
Dog- Couldn't have said it better, myself.  What's the point of it if you don't believe?  This board would be pretty lame if we limited participation to only last year's champs.  Part of the rant is tongue in cheek, but I truly believe that we'll be runnin' with bigger dogs, and peein' in taller grass in the coming years.  I heard lots of recruiting pitches.  I can separate the BS from what's real.  Coach Campbell is real.  More so than all the others I met.  Without exception. 

We'll see where it goes, but Blueboy Nation will rise.  I am hoping just to carry the flag. 

BTW- Dubuque, eh?  I think they might have actually come to my kids school and met him.  They lacked some follow-thru after, but for a fleeting few days, they were on his list.  Best of luck this season! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 19, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 10:36:20 AM
Dog- Couldn't have said it better, myself.  What's the point of it if you don't believe?  This board would be pretty lame if we limited participation to only last year's champs.  Part of the rant is tongue in cheek, but I truly believe that we'll be runnin' with bigger dogs, and peein' in taller grass in the coming years.  I heard lots of recruiting pitches.  I can separate the BS from what's real.  Coach Campbell is real.  More so than all the others I met.  Without exception.  

We'll see where it goes, but Blueboy Nation will rise.  I am hoping just to carry the flag.  

BTW- Dubuque, eh?  I think they might have actually come to my kids school and met him.  They lacked some follow-thru after, but for a fleeting few days, they were on his list.  Best of luck this season!  

Out of curiosity...what drove your son to enroll at IC? I know there's pleanty of DIII schools in the south that have a strong program than IC. UMHB, HS, Trinity, etc... This is not a knock against IC...i was curious, that's all.

By the way, where is Illinois College. I see it's somewhere in the middle of the state (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif), but what town is it in? I guess i can look it up, but I'm lazy  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 19, 2010, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 19, 2010, 12:47:43 PM

By the way, where is Illinois College. I see it's somewhere in the middle of the state (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif), but what town is it in? I guess i can look it up, but I'm lazy  :P

If you had attended one of the fine institutions in the Midwest Conference, you would not be too lazy to look it up..... Sorry, I couldn't resist!   :D

Also, if you scroll back several pages (most of which are now dominated by my boy Blu) you can read the entire saga of Junior's recruiting process.....  You'll also get Texa-fied!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 01:17:17 PM
Why IC?  Best coaching connection.  Offensive scheme that optimizes his skill set.  Very nice facitities.  Great academic history.  Just wish it were 700 miles south...

Why not schools in the area? Gotta be careful, here.  The facilites/fields at many of the programs we investigated were not = to his middle school's.  In my opinion (and it's strictly that, and based on our experience through the process) there's not the same enthusiasm/support for D3 ball.  There's so much talent down here that coaches were, frankly, lazy about recruiting.  We had plenty of local interest, just very little enthusiasm.  Rosters are 9 QB's deep.  A lot more juco transfer activity/potential.  He wanted to go somewhere where he felt he could make a difference and have the best opportunity to compete.  And that is not to say that the talent at the institutions further north is not there.  NOT AT ALL!  I am only referencing the obvious.  That is, on sheer volume, Texas is one of the top recruiting hotbeds in the country.  Many would argue it is the most furtile recruiting territory in the country. 

As for IC's location.  Look for a region in south central IL, covered entirely in corn and soy bean fields, with a town named Jacksonville nestled in the middle of it.  There you will find it. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 19, 2010, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 01:17:17 PM
Why IC?  Best coaching connection.  Offensive scheme that optimizes his skill set.  Very nice facitities.  Great academic history.  Just wish it were 700 miles south...

Why not schools in the area? Gotta be careful, here.  The facilites/fields at many of the programs we investigated were not = to his middle school's.  In my opinion (and it's strictly that, and based on our experience through the process) there's not the same enthusiasm/support for D3 ball.  There's so much talent down here that coaches were, frankly, lazy about recruiting.  We had plenty of local interest, just very little enthusiasm.  Rosters are 9 QB's deep.  A lot more juco transfer activity/potential.  He wanted to go somewhere where he felt he could make a difference and have the best opportunity to compete.  And that is not to say that the talent at the institutions further north is not there.  NOT AT ALL!  I am only referencing the obvious.  That is, on sheer volume, Texas is one of the top recruiting hotbeds in the country.  Many would argue it is the most furtile recruiting territory in the country.  

As for IC's location.  Look for a region in south central IL, covered entirely in corn and soy bean fields, with a town named Jacksonville nestled in the middle of it.  There you will find it.  

Glad he can make it to the Midwest...home of the best DIII football in the country, no joke   8-)

I see your son may have also targeted schools such as Akron, Bowling Green, NIU, SMU, Toledo and West Michigan....those are some big schools (compared to DIII at least). Looks like he should have some success at IC. Will he play right away or wait his turn?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 01:46:35 PM
Wait his turn.  Returning senior who deserves, and is best suited for, the job.  He'll still have to compete for the job to follow.  I think he's up to the task.

All fatherly bias aside, he has a D1 arm.  D3 hieght (6').  Going into his junior year, rivals had him ranked on the Lone Star 100.  A big deal!  He was invited to UT's and LSU's spring games.  Not very many get those invites.  He was seriously on the radar.  What followed his junior & senior season was very unfortunate.  Not going there other than to say had he not transfered to KHS, things would likely be very different.  But, in the end, knowing what I know today, I truly believe all things happen for a reason.  And that reason is that he was meant to be at IC.  And that's not just my usual banter...

He wants to coach.  He has the mind for it.  He needed the right coaching situation and connection.  He's found it.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 19, 2010, 02:54:35 PM
Your son could be quite dangerous in the IC offense if hes the drop-back pocket passer.  If he was looking to get 15-25 carries a game and 5-10 passing attempts than he shouldve wandered farther north to a little town called Ripon.... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 19, 2010, 02:54:35 PM
Your son could be quite dangerous in the IC offense if hes the drop-back pocket passer.  If he was looking to get 15-25 carries a game and 5-10 passing attempts than he shouldve wandered farther north to a little town called Ripon.... ;)

No.  If that was his skill set, he'd have been at the right HS.  He's no slouch as a runner, very athletic, but his stock in trade is his arm and mind... 

Which brings me back to the earlier question about how we found IC.  I literally researched every school's stats to determine their need for a pro-style QB.  No disrespect, but Ripon didn't get contacted...  In the MWC, Lake Forest, Monmouth, and IC recieved links to his video.  All replied with significant interest.  LF, just didn't seem to have any mojo.  It came down to the Scots and The Mighty Blueboys!

I'm starting to rethink the selection.  Just learned that IC doesn't allow alcohol at their tailgating.  I don't even drink and I think that's wrong!  >:(   WTF?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
Lots of places say that. Bring red cups so you don't have to drink out of the bottles. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
Lots of places say that. Bring red cups so you don't have to drink out of the bottles. :)

Ya, but the look I received from a women in the tailgating discussion, when I spoke matter-of-factly of alcohol at tailgating (never thinking that there was one without the other), caused me to grow very self-conscious about the apparent second head that must have sprung out of my shoulders.  Whoa!  Talk about a fart in church... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 19, 2010, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
Lots of places say that. Bring red cups so you don't have to drink out of the bottles. :)

Ya, but the look I received from a women in the tailgating discussion, when I spoke matter-of-factly of alcohol at tailgating (never thinking that there was one without the other), caused me to grow very self-conscious about the apparent second head that must have sprung out of my shoulders.  Whoa!  Talk about a fart in church... ???

If you get caught, just tell them Pat Coleman said it was ok... ;D, they'll understand.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 19, 2010, 05:51:52 PM
blu, I would not worry about it. Grinell is probably the most conservative and they just said what Pat said, keep it under wraps. We tailgate at all the games, home and away. SNC has a NO KEG policy. I can't believe that.  ::)

You will be fine with your style of tailgating, I am sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 19, 2010, 05:51:52 PM
blu, I would not worry about it. Grinell is probably the most conservative and they just said what Pat said, keep it under wraps. We tailgate at all the games, home and away. SNC has a NO KEG policy. I can't believe that.  ::)

You will be fine with your style of tailgating, I am sure.

Oh, I have a lifetime of experience here (less about 15 years) ;)  I was just suprised.  Like I said.  Never knew there was tailgating w/o.  Again, I don't even drink (for the last 1 1/2 years).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 19, 2010, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
Lots of places say that. Bring red cups so you don't have to drink out of the bottles. :)

You guys are probably right about the red cups....  I just think it's interesting that the czar of "your number one source for Division III football information" is so quick to promote violating the rules.   :o  He probably also thinks it's okay to ground your club in a bunker!   :D  :D



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 19, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
Ya Blu and you thought ridiculous things like recruiting and coaching were going to turn the program around.  We now all know the real reason for IC's lack of success. Jeez what kind of football Dad let's their kid go to a school that doesn't allow tailgaiting!? :o What will your steer buddies back in Texass think when they hear this. Jeez I think even BYU allows it. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 19, 2010, 06:21:18 PM
Hey Scottie-I had a hard time typing that last post-couldn't stop laughing after reading yours! Is it true that MC now has a designated tailgaiting area about a half mile from the field? If this is true I want a refund on my season tickets!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 19, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 19, 2010, 05:51:52 PM
blu, I would not worry about it. Grinell is probably the most conservative and they just said what Pat said, keep it under wraps. We tailgate at all the games, home and away. SNC has a NO KEG policy. I can't believe that.  ::)

You will be fine with your style of tailgating, I am sure.

Oh, I have a lifetime of experience here (less about 15 years) ;)  I was just suprised.  Like I said.  Never knew there was tailgating w/o.  Again, I don't even drink (for the last 1 1/2 years).

The two main tailgating areas in Ripon that fill up are a middle school and church parking lot across the street......if that gives you an idea of the tailgating polices adhered to there
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 19, 2010, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 19, 2010, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
Lots of places say that. Bring red cups so you don't have to drink out of the bottles. :)

You guys are probably right about the red cups....  I just think it's interesting that the czar of "your number one source for Division III football information" is so quick to promote violating the rules.   :o  He probably also thinks it's okay to ground your club in a bunker!   :D  :D

Ground your club? He'd probably rather dig a 10' hole in the ground, throw in all the clubs & bag (and any golfer standing around), and then fill in the dirt!! Do you actually think Pat has time to think about golf?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on August 19, 2010, 08:59:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
Lots of places say that. Bring red cups so you don't have to drink out of the bottles. :)

We've actually been asked not to use red cups, Pat.  Seems the campus police have 'broken the code.'
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 19, 2010, 09:07:17 PM
In Wisconsin, tailgating Is a religion. Just paint the kegs your favorite color to hide the contents.  ;D


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 19, 2010, 09:40:28 PM
Coffee cups (including styrofoam) - who's gonna check?

When I went to a football game at Hope, I stayed at a campground that was "alcohol free".  While I would have had no problem evading them, I asked them, and they replied: "If you're not rowdy or falling-down drunk, we aren't gonna sniff your glass".  Same thing held true at the "alcohol free" Hope tailgate.

Being discrete can work wonders (in my case, having grey hair might have helped as well! ;D)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 19, 2010, 09:46:55 PM
What's with the red cups?  Dixie makes a beautiful navy blue 20 oz. plastic cup. I'm really looking forward to seeing if the tailgating in Wisconsin measures up to what I'm used to.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 19, 2010, 10:04:48 PM
You guys in Texas only think you're tailgating.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 19, 2010, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 19, 2010, 06:21:18 PM
Hey Scottie-I had a hard time typing that last post-couldn't stop laughing after reading yours! Is it true that MC now has a designated tailgaiting area about a half mile from the field? If this is true I want a refund on my season tickets!

You are correct.  My reaction:  ??? +  ::) +  :-\ +  >:( =  :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 19, 2010, 11:50:58 PM
Midwest Conference releases the preseason polls:

Preseason Poll (http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2010/News/FB_PP_10.pdf)

1. Monmouth (7)
2. SNC (3)
3. Ripon
4. Beloit
5. Carroll
6. IC
7. Lake Forest
8. Knox
9. Grinnell
10. Larry-U

1st-3rd were pretty clear cut.  4th-6th is a toss up and could be mixed up.  Lake Forest and Knox are a dead lock for 7th and 8th place. And when Grinnell and Larry-U play it will have the same implications as Monmouth vs. SNC, just the exact opposite
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 20, 2010, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 19, 2010, 11:50:58 PM
Midwest Conference releases the preseason polls:

Preseason Poll (http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2010/News/FB_PP_10.pdf)

1. Monmouth (7)
2. SNC (3)
3. Ripon
4. Beloit
5. Carroll
6. IC
7. Lake Forest
8. Knox
9. Grinnell
10. Larry-U

1st-3rd were pretty clear cut.  4th-6th is a toss up and could be mixed up.  Lake Forest and Knox are a dead lock for 7th and 8th place. And when Grinnell and Larry-U play it will have the same implications as Monmouth vs. SNC, just the exact opposite

Awesome! We have y'all right where we want you! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 20, 2010, 10:03:58 AM
The local paper published a 14-photo gallery of the new SNC stadium. I'm told all is on track for opening day.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=U0&Dato=20100819&Kategori=GPG01&Lopenr=8190816&Ref=PH
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 20, 2010, 10:13:35 AM
Congrats Knights!  Very nice digs! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 20, 2010, 10:58:01 AM
It certainly looks like they took a lot of notes from Bobby Woll Memorial Stadium to make sure that they go it right.   ;D  Congrats, SNC.  Looks good!

Mysteriously omitted from the thumbnails was name of the stadium.....still trying to determine the true identity of SNCOLDAD.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on August 20, 2010, 11:06:14 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 20, 2010, 10:03:58 AM
The local paper published a 14-photo gallery of the new SNC stadium. I'm told all is on track for opening day.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=U0&Dato=20100819&Kategori=GPG01&Lopenr=8190816&Ref=PH

They included a prayer labyrinth at the new stadium (pic 11)?  That's certainly novel.  Are they expecting to need it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 20, 2010, 11:10:05 AM
Donald J Schneider Stadium
And scottie, at SNC we make sure that we look around to take the best from all. I can't wait for the instant replay board to get working. But I do not think that is happening this year. Video yes, replay, not approved by refs I am sure.   ;)

The drainage is incredible for both the field and track.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 20, 2010, 11:11:33 AM
There is a set amount that goes toward Norbertines. That labyrinth is part of that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 20, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: tmerton on August 20, 2010, 11:06:14 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 20, 2010, 10:03:58 AM
The local paper published a 14-photo gallery of the new SNC stadium. I'm told all is on track for opening day.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=U0&Dato=20100819&Kategori=GPG01&Lopenr=8190816&Ref=PH

They included a prayer labyrinth at the new stadium (pic 11)?  That's certainly novel.  Are they expecting to need it?

Isn't it outside the visitor's lockerroom?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 20, 2010, 11:29:56 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 20, 2010, 11:10:05 AM
Donald J Schneider Stadium
And scottie, at SNC we make sure that we look around to take the best from all. I can't wait for the instant replay board to get working. But I do not think that is happening this year. Video yes, replay, not approved by refs I am sure.   ;)

The drainage is incredible for both the field and track.



Well, it's nice to finally make your acquaintance, Mr. Schneider!   ;D  I hear that Monmouth also added a new video scoreboard as the final step in the renovation.  Sounds like an automatic internship opportunity for a Communication major to figure out how to operate that thing!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on August 20, 2010, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 20, 2010, 11:11:33 AM
There is a set amount that goes toward Norbertines. That labyrinth is part of that.

At Saint John's the monks watch the games and smoke their cigars.  John Gagliardi says he used to tell his quarterbacks if they noticed an unusual amount of smoke coming from the monks' section they needed to start throwing the ball more. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 20, 2010, 11:38:57 AM
scottie, maybe during track season. I hear the video display will show times almost immediately after each person crosses the finish line.

tmer, I LOVE IT!   "Quit Pounding The Ball. We are Getting Bored! "    I can see it now. They want to ruin out the clock but fire trucks are on the way.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 21, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
Wow. It sure got quiet around here.  :-\

Well I have to report the first injury of the year.
scottie crapped his pants when the guys starting practicing shooting off that god awful cannon at Monmouth.

:P

Meanwhile, back to Saturday chores.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 21, 2010, 07:14:02 PM
KABOOM !!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 21, 2010, 08:51:00 PM
Maybe it was just the camera angle, but it looked like strange turns on the track in picture #14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 21, 2010, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 21, 2010, 04:49:55 PM

Well I have to report the first injury of the year.
scottie crapped his pants when the guys starting practicing shooting off that god awful cannon at Monmouth.

:P


GO GREEN KNIGHTS

There's probably a "wearing-white-so-close-to-Labor-Day-joke" in there somewhere.....   :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 21, 2010, 11:59:15 PM
btnt - the first D3 Football Around The Nation Podcast (http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/08/18/atn-podcast-welcome-to-2010/) is out and is a must hear for all D3 fans, especially new ones like yourself. I urge you to listen to the thoughts of this sites guru's. It usually comes out every monday, I think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
Thanks Bobo.  I just checked it out.  It was interesting and beneficial.  Kind of a reality check at the same time.  But, in a way, disappointing. :(  A large part of that disappointment is born of the realization of my ignorance.  Until I heard this, I wasn't aware/convinced that there really is only about 4 teams competing for the title and the rest of us are just fodder.  I guess I'll just refocus my hopes to just competing in the MWC and not pay much attention to the world around it. Not sour grapes, just acceptance of a reality I had not yet grasped.

Pat indicated some very limited exposure to the MWC. That was surprising.  I understood already, that, like in all levels of the NCAA, there are kind of the "haves" and the "have nots".  I guess I just didn't realize that it was so much the case, here.  As an intense Texas Longhorn fan, I enjoy a much better position when discussing my D1 team, than I do the D3 team I support. 

Is the MWC really that much of an after thought?  Boy do I feel dumb (a feeling not limited to this board). MWC's only mention was of SNC's game against an out-of-conference opponent (St. Thomas). I get that Blueboy Nation hasn't YETrisen to a level to receive the attention they, no doubt, will soon deserve, ;) but, assuming a liberty I have not been given (speaking on behalf of the MWC), we should be disappointed that we weren't mentioned (other than their inclusion in the statement "the other 236 teams".   Just my opinion/observation.  And that opinion/observation is: 1) Likely flawed and riddled with holes. 2) Worth exactly what y'all have paid me for it... ;)  Let the lashing begin :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 22, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
I think the MWC as a whole, is considered not a strong overall conference.  But, Monmouth has built themselves a great team.  They were unfortunate not to make it to the elite 8 during the 2008 season.  St. Norbert has been strong, but continually ran into the likes of the MIAC and WIAC champs in the 1st round of the playoffs and didn't advance.  The MWC might not have a great history, but nothing says a program from there can't pull themselves up and start competing at an elite level.  It takes a good coaching staff that can recruit and support from the administration. 

As for there being 4 schools with a chance and everybody else doesn't have a chance.  It is worth noting that 10 years or so ago UWW was a middle tier WIAC team and not the national title contender you see today.  Given the right circumstances, I think any team can become a power.  Though, if that doesn't happen, you can still find yourself having a great time following D3 football.  It doesn't always have to be about the wins and losses...though more wins that losses makes it a bit more enjoyable.  For now, maybe working IC into a contender in the MWC can be your start and see where it goes from there.  And, take a look around the country and see just how high a level D3 football is.  It ends up surprising most newcomers just how high a level is played at D3. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 22, 2010, 01:53:20 PM
Let me add a few thoughts here.  The MWC is looked down as an inferior conference for a couple of reasons.  First their non conference record isn't all that great over the last few seasons. Take in 08 Wisc-Oshkosh a lower tiered team in the WIAC easily handles the second/third place team in the MWC in Ripon. St. Norbert probably had the biggest non-conf win in the past few years when they beat Wartburg in OT last year.  A win which seemed a lot bigger at the time but lost some significance because of Wartburg's showing later on in the season. (And don't worry SNCDAD no one at MC is taking Wartburg lightly-I predict if MC is going to lose in the reg season its that game) Another reason for no respect is the lack of success in the playoffs. When you consider Monmouth's playoff loss last year (even though the game was not as lopsided as the score indicated) coupled with the way they were never challenged in any conference game you can see why the conference as a whole gets little respect. (Hey Blu I might be wrong but I think IC was the only team to actually be leading last year against MC)  Also to be brutally honest and meaning no disrespect but what I saw of the bottom two or three teams in the conference they would have a hard time beating a good Illinois 5A or above High School team. So until the conference gets a little more competitive and a team has a good showing in the playoffs the opinion of the conference is going to remain low. Not sure if this is fully deserved or not but thats just the way its going to be. Personally I still think MC was one of the top 10 Div 3 schools in the country last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 22, 2010, 02:50:31 PM
Welcome to our world, Blu!!   ;)

The last two posts covered a lot of accurate ground.  You'll get a better sense of how things typically* work as the season wears on, particularly if a MWC has a contender in the mix. It matters little to some what the current team offers but, rather, what is their historical track record on the road to the Stagg  Bowl.  Consequently, the Snow Whites get most* of the love and the Dwarfs are left on clean-up duty. 


* Please note my lack of "absolutes" in these statements.  The MWC has had it's share of recognition, including the current pre-season 1st team QB.  Several MWC "key games" will usually be featured during the season between undefeated teams [MC? vs. SNC?] or some of the oldest rivalries [MC vs. Knox], for example. (However, those types of games should be covered anyway by credible journalists, bloggers, or pundits.}

Blu - This is called trying to C.Y.A. so that P.C. doesn't do an administrative I.E.D. on my karma.   ;D


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 03:18:42 PM
All- One thing I've enjoyed about this board and getting to know its participants, is the intelligence and insight most provide.  As was the case in the last 3 posts.  It's been very educational.  However, Dog, to your point about the level of play in D3, yours' was not the best lesson.  That was provided by my son.  To summarize his reports of what he's encountered in camp: "Dad! This f$%&@#g-s&#t is real football! Just cuz it's D3, doesn't mean it ain't serious.  It's the hardest thing I've ever done."  That said, he's loving it.  I think he thought it would be like going into 13th grade football.  Truthfully, the complexities of the defenses he's seeing, and the offense's sophistication in response is the real deal.  He's getting incredible coaching and preparation.  He's already becoming a much better football player.  And, those are his words. 

I realize with a K rating of 12, I'm probably endangering all of them (and then some) by even hinting at disappointment in the coverage of MWC.  I might deserve that.  I hear what all y'all are saying.  I was just surprised at what I thought would be better recognition of the conference.  Perhaps that's the conference's fault after all. 

Hey MC and SNC, would y'all quit sucking everytime you get to the post season? Y'all are making my position much harder to defend! ;D  I guess if we want something done right, we'll just have to do it ourselves. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 22, 2010, 03:45:12 PM
Hey Blu maybe if teams like IC would actually step up and give us some competition we'd be better prepared! ;D. But the truth be told MC playoff losses seem to have been the result of a bit of well I can't say choking so I will say lack of experience in certain situations. The wartburg game in 08 was really hard to take, and while I honestly believe St. Thomas was better, the game should have been closer. A couple of key plays put MC behind and it put us in a position we just weren't used to. A couple of St. Thomas fans did say that nobody moved the ball on them the way MC did. The key to the game was the way St. Thomas ran the ball. Here is really where that conference thing comes in. You could have taken all of the best o-linemen in the conference and they wouldn't have come close to what St. Thomas had.(or still has- get ready SNCDAD) It wasn't like they completely manhandled MC's line but their schemes worked and MC couldn't just bullrush the QB like they did with most teams in the conference.  They killed MC with 3-5 chunks of yardage.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2010, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
Thanks Bobo.  I just checked it out.  It was interesting and beneficial.  Kind of a reality check at the same time.  But, in a way, disappointing. :(  A large part of that disappointment is born of the realization of my ignorance.  Until I heard this, I wasn't aware/convinced that there really is only about 4 teams competing for the title and the rest of us are just fodder.  I guess I'll just refocus my hopes to just competing in the MWC and not pay much attention to the world around it. Not sour grapes, just acceptance of a reality I had not yet grasped.

Pat indicated some very limited exposure to the MWC. That was surprising.  I understood already, that, like in all levels of the NCAA, there are kind of the "haves" and the "have nots".  I guess I just didn't realize that it was so much the case, here.  As an intense Texas Longhorn fan, I enjoy a much better position when discussing my D1 team, than I do the D3 team I support.  

Yep, this is true. I just moved back to the Midwest two years ago after 18 years in the Washington, D.C., area, so I am still getting out to see everyone around here. Remember that there are 28 conferences and 238 teams in Division III, so Division III is just about twice as big as Division I FBS (and much bigger than the truly BCS-eligible conferences).

Limited exposure? Not the case. But no, I have not been in the building for a football game featuring a Midwest Conference team. If one would consider advancing in the playoffs that would help.

The MWC has been out of the playoffs after one week every year but two since we started the site in 1999. That is basically why the MWC is relegated to its current fate.

Here's the history of the expanded playoffs, league by league.

http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=39
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2010, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 03:18:42 PMTo summarize his reports of what he's encountered in camp: "Dad! This f$%&@#g-s&#t is real football! Just cuz it's D3, doesn't mean it ain't serious.  It's the hardest thing I've ever done."  That said, he's loving it.  I think he thought it would be like going into 13th grade football. 

Good. That's reality. It isn't like high school at all, even if it is Division III.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on August 22, 2010, 08:53:13 PM
Anyone go to "Walk the turf" with the Fighting Scots.
And what did u think? ( would love to hear the 411.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 11:23:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2010, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 03:18:42 PMTo summarize his reports of what he's encountered in camp: "Dad! This f$%&@#g-s&#t is real football! Just cuz it's D3, doesn't mean it ain't serious.  It's the hardest thing I've ever done."  That said, he's loving it.  I think he thought it would be like going into 13th grade football. 

Good. That's reality. It isn't like high school at all, even if it is Division III.
Honestly, no one is any more clear on that than I am now!  The analogy I've been using to describe it, to those even less familiar with D3 than I am, is that it's kind of like a men's 6' and under basketball league.  Great players.  High level of play.  Great games to go watch.  Just as serious about the competition.  Just no 7 footers...  And that is not to suggest any inferiority. Some of the players simply don't fit the D1 "template".  But I've learned players, coaches, and fans take it just as serious. It's just as sophisticated. For that matter, I'm officially a convert.  My on is developing as a player and while being allowed to pursue his education.  I am exceptionally glad my son is where he is. Not just D3, but IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on August 22, 2010, 11:38:59 PM
blu,

I'm glad you are posting, I'm glad you are happy your son is at IC, and I'm glad you are a D3 convert. You've got me rooting for IC to do well! I will be keeping track of them this year for sure!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 22, 2010, 11:50:20 PM
QuoteYou've got me rooting for IC to do well!

You got me rooting for UT, as well (despite what they did to Nebraska!!)   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 12:16:58 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 11:23:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2010, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 03:18:42 PMTo summarize his reports of what he's encountered in camp: "Dad! This f$%&@#g-s&#t is real football! Just cuz it's D3, doesn't mean it ain't serious.  It's the hardest thing I've ever done."  That said, he's loving it.  I think he thought it would be like going into 13th grade football. 

Good. That's reality. It isn't like high school at all, even if it is Division III.
Honestly, no one is any more clear on that than I am now!  The analogy I've been using to describe it, to those even less familiar with D3 than I am, is that it's kind of like a men's 6' and under basketball league.  Great players.  High level of play.  Great games to go watch.  Just as serious about the competition.  Just no 7 footers...  And that is not to suggest any inferiority. Some of the players simply don't fit the D1 "template".  But I've learned players, coaches, and fans take it just as serious. It's just as sophisticated. For that matter, I'm officially a convert.  My on is developing as a player and while being allowed to pursue his education.  I am exceptionally glad my son is where he is. Not just D3, but IC.

I am not sure D-III players would appreciate the comparison. But it's been called worse by ignorant coaches and writers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 23, 2010, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 12:16:58 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 11:23:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2010, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 03:18:42 PMTo summarize his reports of what he's encountered in camp: "Dad! This f$%&@#g-s&#t is real football! Just cuz it's D3, doesn't mean it ain't serious.  It's the hardest thing I've ever done."  That said, he's loving it.  I think he thought it would be like going into 13th grade football. 

Good. That's reality. It isn't like high school at all, even if it is Division III.
Honestly, no one is any more clear on that than I am now!  The analogy I've been using to describe it, to those even less familiar with D3 than I am, is that it's kind of like a men's 6' and under basketball league.  Great players.  High level of play.  Great games to go watch.  Just as serious about the competition.  Just no 7 footers...  And that is not to suggest any inferiority. Some of the players simply don't fit the D1 "template".  But I've learned players, coaches, and fans take it just as serious. It's just as sophisticated. For that matter, I'm officially a convert.  My on is developing as a player and while being allowed to pursue his education.  I am exceptionally glad my son is where he is. Not just D3, but IC.

I am not sure D-III players would appreciate the comparison. But it's been called worse by ignorant coaches and writers.

While the 6' and under analogy may be a bit over the top, I fully understand what Blu is saying.  The BEST players in d3 are fully d1 quality who are either late bloomers or are too light/too short/too something (or honest-to-god student athletes :o).

Blu, I just checked the IC schedule - I'll root for you in 8 of the ten games.  I can't root for you against Monmouth because of my niece; much earlier I would have rooted for you in your opener (Millikin) as they are IWU's more hated rival, but now I see them as CCIW vs. the infidels! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 08:44:38 AM
blu, I too are happy for you and your realizations that you have made about D3. I find it difficult watching some D1 games especially with all the hype and showboating that goes on. I too was converted. Probably not as quick as you were but I still saw the light.

I will state it again, I look forward to IC visiting SNC this year and both teams undefeated in MWC play!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 23, 2010, 09:15:17 AM
Geez, how about a group hug already!!!???   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 09:20:24 AM
Only if you are not wearing that skirt you are so attached to.  :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 23, 2010, 09:24:51 AM
scottie, you should know that everyone loves an underdog!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 23, 2010, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 03:18:42 PM


Hey MC and SNC, would y'all quit sucking everytime you get to the post season? Y'all are making my position much harder to defend! ;D  I guess if we want something done right, we'll just have to do it ourselves. ;)

Trust me, I sat through SNC's 55-7 loss at Central in 1989 (the conference's only at-large bid to the playoffs, I believe) and other playoff games. We'd love to win a few more and help the conference.

I think you'll find once playoff time comes, we do cheer for the conference. It was great that Lawrence hosted the D3 men's hoops final four a few years ago ... now if they had only won a game at it!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on August 23, 2010, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 23, 2010, 10:31:29 AM
It was great that Lawrence hosted the D3 men's hoops final four a few years ago ... now if they had only won a game at it!

Whoa there!  That was a sectional final, not a Final Four.  Let's not get carried away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 11:17:42 AM
Playoffs for the MWC seems to be a Catch22 situation. Because we have not had success, we get a low ranking and usually play higher ranked teams. At best the MWC representative is seeded close to even. The result is what is expected most of the time.

The exception was Monmouth last year. And the results were different. They were able to get a couple wins in the playoffs.

So basically until we are able to deliver an upset or 2 in the playoffs and then sustain that for more than 1 or 2 years, this is how it is going to be.

No sour grapes. It is what it is!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 11:18:46 AM
Pat-  I'm probably deserving of the vieled "ingnorant" reference.  Particularly when/if I should try to match wits with most of the D3 posters, and let alone, the administrator, on the subjects of D3 football.  

But any offense taken by the 6 & under reference, is taken out of a misunderstanding of what I was trying to relate.  And, that is one of the problems inherent with the medium.  No matter how much you try to take any defamatory reference out of it, someone will find a way to located one.  

I have a significant familiarity with the circus that is D1 recruiting.  Not just through my son, but by involvement with many others.  However, I will limit this to my experience with my son. Since the reference is more easy to recall and relate.  All fatherly bias aside, I cannot relate the # of times I watched him, or others like him (6' or under), VASTLY outperform the supposed "studs", only to have their efforts go unnoticed b/c the coaches weren't looking at them.  They were too busy fawning over the 6'4" kid who Rivals said was the real deal.  My most vivid recollection was at a Bowling Green camp last summer, but by no means was it isolated to them.  At BG, he could have been performing naked and not one coach would have noticed.  Meanwhile the 6'4"'s, who couldn't throw or run, were swatting the coaches of them, like flies.  Probably a contributing factor to BG's lack of success in the MAC.  But I digress...

The point was not to whine about what I perceived to be the snubbing my son.  Not at all.  It's about the fact that D1 recruiting is a lot like sheep following one another.  There is a template.  And that template precludes a lot of very talented players.  It also ignores, as was mentioned in an earlier post also responding to my "6 & under" reference, the late bloomers.  My intent was to flatter and pay respect to what I've come to learn about the level of play, quality of player, quality of program, and quality of coaching, and D3 football overall.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 23, 2010, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 22, 2010, 03:18:42 PM


Hey MC and SNC, would y'all quit sucking everytime you get to the post season? Y'all are making my position much harder to defend! ;D  I guess if we want something done right, we'll just have to do it ourselves. ;)

Trust me, I sat through SNC's 55-7 loss at Central in 1989 (the conference's only at-large bid to the playoffs, I believe) and other playoff games. We'd love to win a few more and help the conference.

I think you'll find once playoff time comes, we do cheer for the conference. It was great that Lawrence hosted the D3 men's hoops final four a few years ago ... now if they had only won a game at it!


Amen Brotha!  When the playoffs roll around, I'm MWC Thru n Thru!  Of course in the near future, it'll be easier since I'll be cheering for the Blueboys. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 08:44:38 AM
blu, I too are happy for you and your realizations that you have made about D3. I find it difficult watching some D1 games especially with all the hype and showboating that goes on. I too was converted. Probably not as quick as you were but I still saw the light.

I will state it again, I look forward to IC visiting SNC this year and both teams undefeated in MWC play!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS

New deal!  When that game arrives, assuming y'all can hold up your end of the bargain and two undefeated square off, you can introduce me to cheese-curds! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 23, 2010, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 11:17:42 AM
The exception was Monmouth last year. And the results were different. They were able to get a couple wins in the playoffs.

In the immortal words of Just Bill:
QuoteWhoa there!
I was under the impression that Monmouth lost in their first round game last year to St. Thomas 43-21. Who did they get those two playoff wins against?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 11:38:07 AM
Did I goof? I thought they lost in the 3rd round to St. Thomas. The last 2 years that they have been in the playoffs are a blur. I will need to go back in records to correct any error. Sorry.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 23, 2010, 11:42:29 AM
No problem SNCOLDAD...I thought that it was my memory going you-know-where in a handbasket!! Whew!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 23, 2010, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Football on August 22, 2010, 08:53:13 PM
Anyone go to "Walk the turf" with the Fighting Scots.
And what did u think? ( would love to hear the 411.)

Walk the turf, is this saturday I believe, not last Saturday.  Last year they had some video up on the Monmouth College youtube page from it.  I hope they do again this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 23, 2010, 12:17:33 PM
As much as the MWC is looked down upon when it comes to playoff rankings times can change. Ten years ago basketball was in a similar position. Then Lawrence went on their run of always picking up at least one postseason victory (or 3). Carroll followed it up with a Cinderella run to the Sweet 16 over the #7 and #5 teams in the country. Now when the tournament is seeded we generally find our teams as the #3 in a 4 team pod instead of #4. Not as high as we would like but we aren't facing a Top 5 opponent opening round. That in turn helps us get more playoff wins since we get a slightly easier opponent (although there is no easy opponent in the NCAA Tournament) which in turn gives us more respect.

I thought this was happening in football when Monmouth was up by double digits against Wartburg in 2008. It isn't completly lost. Its a start that our conference representatives in the playoffs have to build off of.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 23, 2010, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on August 23, 2010, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: Mr. Football on August 22, 2010, 08:53:13 PM
Anyone go to "Walk the turf" with the Fighting Scots.
And what did u think? ( would love to hear the 411.)

Walk the turf, is this saturday I believe, not last Saturday.  Last year they had some video up on the Monmouth College youtube page from it.  I hope they do again this year.

Yep, Walk the Turf is this coming Saturday evening (August 28th).

Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on August 23, 2010, 12:17:33 PM
As much as the MWC is looked down upon when it comes to playoff rankings times can change. Ten years ago basketball was in a similar position. Then Lawrence went on their run of always picking up at least one postseason victory (or 3). Carroll followed it up with a Cinderella run to the Sweet 16 over the #7 and #5 teams in the country. Now when the tournament is seeded we generally find our teams as the #3 in a 4 team pod instead of #4. Not as high as we would like but we aren't facing a Top 5 opponent opening round. That in turn helps us get more playoff wins since we get a slightly easier opponent (although there is no easy opponent in the NCAA Tournament) which in turn gives us more respect.

I thought this was happening in football when Monmouth was up by double digits against Wartburg in 2008. It isn't completly lost. Its a start that our conference representatives in the playoffs have to build off of.

Here's hoping it's the Scots that get another chance to continue to build up the MWC's football reputation in the 2010 NCAA playoffs! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 12:55:26 PM
No worries.  Soon, IC will be stepping up and handling this for the conference.  No more sending a boy in to do a man's job. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 23, 2010, 01:09:26 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 22, 2010, 01:53:20 PM
Let me add a few thoughts here.  The MWC is looked down as an inferior conference for a couple of reasons.  First their non conference record isn't all that great over the last few seasons. Take in 08 Wisc-Oshkosh a lower tiered team in the WIAC easily handles the second/third place team in the MWC in Ripon. St. Norbert probably had the biggest non-conf win in the past few years when they beat Wartburg in OT last year.  

Ripon lost 13-14 that year in an evenly matched game (Ripon outgained UWO in yardage 331-248).  Ripon went for two with a min left (which was a good call) instead of the PAT and came up an inch short.  Going for it on 4th down a couple times instead of kicking couldve changed the outcome also.  Granted UWO was under .500 in the WIAC that year, still wouldve been a big win for the MWC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 02:19:34 PM
Blu: I really wasn't trying to lump you in with the "ignorant" comment. There has really been some truly ignorant stuff said by coaches, calling D-III glorified intramurals and the like.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 02:19:34 PM
Blu: I really wasn't trying to lump you in with the "ignorant" comment. There has really been some truly ignorant stuff said by coaches, calling D-III glorified intramurals and the like.

Well then.  They ain't watched lately, have they?  As to the ignorant reference, anytime I hear ignorant, I'm figuring it's, deservedly, aimed somewhere close by. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 23, 2010, 03:03:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 02:19:34 PM
Blu: I really wasn't trying to lump you in with the "ignorant" comment. There has really been some truly ignorant stuff said by coaches, calling D-III glorified intramurals and the like.

Not to mention the NAIA posters who don't seem to realize DIII has been drilling them. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 03:20:11 PM
Excellent point warhawk
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 03:31:25 PM
Redmen my sincerest apologies for the misinformation.  It was the 2007 Ripon-Oshkosh game. 44-6 was the score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 23, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 03:31:25 PM
Redmen my sincerest apologies for the misinformation.  It was the 2007 Ripon-Oshkosh game. 44-6 was the score.

(Not to mention the year before where the score was even uglier, but we wont point that out to anyone)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 03:52:24 PM
Hey I wasn't just rippin on Ripon Monmouth and others have contributed to this. I'm just relieved to know its only a matter of time with Blu's assurances. Heck the conference will be a shoo-in for at large berths once this juggernaut program dominates the likes of D3 football like no one else in history. ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 03:52:24 PM
Hey I wasn't just rippin on Ripon Monmouth and others have contributed to this. I'm just relieved to know its only a matter of time with Blu's assurances. Heck the conference will be a shoo-in for at large berths once this juggernaut program dominates the likes of D3 football like no one else in history. ::)
I'm happy to see you're comin' around.  Should I save a seat in first-class for ya?  Y'know, on the bandwagon... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 23, 2010, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 03:52:24 PM
Hey I wasn't just rippin on Ripon Monmouth and others have contributed to this. I'm just relieved to know its only a matter of time with Blu's assurances. Heck the conference will be a shoo-in for at large berths once this juggernaut program dominates the likes of D3 football like no one else in history. ::)
I'm happy to see you're comin' around.  Should I save a seat in first-class for ya?  Y'know, on the bandwagon... ;)

I would like to see a picture of this bandwagon before we start saving seats on it, because right now I only see it being a one-seater  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchHawk on August 23, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 23, 2010, 03:03:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 02:19:34 PM
Blu: I really wasn't trying to lump you in with the "ignorant" comment. There has really been some truly ignorant stuff said by coaches, calling D-III glorified intramurals and the like.

Not to mention the NAIA posters who don't seem to realize DIII has been drilling them. 

haha +k
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 03:52:24 PM
Hey I wasn't just rippin on Ripon Monmouth and others have contributed to this. I'm just relieved to know its only a matter of time with Blu's assurances. Heck the conference will be a shoo-in for at large berths once this juggernaut program dominates the likes of D3 football like no one else in history. ::)
I'm happy to see you're comin' around.  Should I save a seat in first-class for ya?  Y'know, on the bandwagon... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 05:12:13 PM
 :-\I'm not jumpin on any Bandwagon that is on the wagon! Sorry Blu but I'm not considering it until the ban on tailgating is lifted!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 05:12:13 PM
:-\I'm not jumpin on any Bandwagon that is on the wagon! Sorry Blu but I'm not considering it until the ban on tailgating is lifted!
It's not a ban on tailgating.  Just alcohol on the property.  But now we're just arguing semantecs.  S&%t just ain't right!  I might join you in the boycott.  And I don't even drink.  Like I said previously, where I'm from, you don't have one without the other.  And let's not revisit the whole blue cups thing...   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on August 23, 2010, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 23, 2010, 05:12:13 PM
:-\I'm not jumpin on any Bandwagon that is on the wagon! Sorry Blu but I'm not considering it until the ban on tailgating is lifted!
It's not a ban on tailgating.  Just alcohol on the property.  But now we're just arguing semantecs.  S&%t just ain't right!  I might join you in the boycott.  And I don't even drink.  Like I said previously, where I'm from, you don't have one without the other.  And let's not revisit the whole blue cups thing...   ;D
I wouldn't give up hope for a traditional tailgating experience just yet, according to my research.   I quote from Sect. D page 5 of the Illinois College Blue Book (http://www.ic.edu/Customized/uploads/Alumni/SectD.pdf). 
QuoteThe Illinois College Alcohol Policy allows the serving
of alcoholic beverages on campus at special events
such as receptions, symposiums and special dinners
in designated facilities, e.g., the Faculty Lounge,
Barnes House, Bruner Fitness and Recreation Center
and Parker Dining Room. Designated areas shall
be determined and reviewed by the appropriate vice
president or dean and are subject to approval by the
president.
a. The sponsor(s) must sign a request form detailing
their event and indicating that they understand the
responsibilities of a sponsor of a social event at
which alcoholic beverages are served.
b. The event must be confined to the designated area.
c. The event must be confined to the times listed
on the application - and the type and amount of
alcoholic beverage limited to what is specified
beforehand. Non-alcoholic beverages must be
continuously available in a similar manner as the
specified alcoholic beverage for underage guests
and those wishing to abstain.
d. Serving of alcoholic beverages must be in
conjunction with a reasonable amount of food.
e. Those sponsoring the event are responsible for
insuring that only those of legal age consume
alcohol, and that consumption takes place in the
designated area only.
f. The sponsors will be responsible for returning the
area to its prior condition.
For application forms or more information about the
designated area policy, contact the Dean of Students
Office.
It seems to me that tailgating would certainly fit within those parameters if pushed through the appropriate channel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
AO, I have to ask. Anyone that has 1057 posts and has a karma of -800 and some, there has to be a good story behind that.   ???    ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 23, 2010, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 23, 2010, 03:03:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 02:19:34 PM
Blu: I really wasn't trying to lump you in with the "ignorant" comment. There has really been some truly ignorant stuff said by coaches, calling D-III glorified intramurals and the like.

Not to mention the NAIA posters who don't seem to realize DIII has been drilling them. 

The NAIA still exists ??? :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 10:09:11 PM
AO- What in any of my post has illustrated that I would ever actually do research before shooting my mouth off? ;) It takes all the fun out of it.  Additionally, despite my regular and growing participation on this board, I actually do have a job...  All I know is when I asked about it at a brief meeting on the subject, I was quickly and abruptly informed that there would be none.  Pushed through proper channels???  Garsh! Whazat mean? ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on August 23, 2010, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 23, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
AO, I have to ask. Anyone that has 1057 posts and has a karma of -800 and some, there has to be a good story behind that.   ???    ::)
I can't really remember but I'm pretty sure it involved St. John's fans.....

Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 23, 2010, 10:09:11 PM
AO- What in any of my post has illustrated that I would ever actually do research before shooting my mouth off? ;) It takes all the fun out of it.  Additionally, despite my regular and growing participation on this board, I actually do have a job...  All I know is when I asked about it at a brief meeting on the subject, I was quickly and abruptly informed that there would be none.  Pushed through proper channels???  Garsh! Whazat mean? ;D
Those in charge would probably deny your request even if you went around who ever led that meeting, but it might be worthy a try if it could increase attendance and excitement around your new favorite squad.  I for one can't understand why colleges refuse to sell beer to the 21+ fans at the game while they appear tolerant of the binge drinking done by the under 21 crowd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 07:51:08 AM
Actually, the person heading the meeting was on board.  I believe his intent might be to "push through proper channels."  This whole issue has kind of taken on a life of its own.  It was born of a relatively benign comment resulting from a "somebody farted!" look and response I got from another person in the meeting.  At the time, I just thought it was funny.  Still do.  And again... Blue cups work just fine.

As for serving alcohol during college games, that's one of those "if it ain't broke..."  Honestly, it is a policy I support.  It would be difficult to police keeping it from getting into the hands of the younger students.  And, as I attend a fair number of UT games in Austin, I can say that I'm glad they cut it off when they do.  Frankly, the  games are enough of an experience without it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 24, 2010, 09:03:30 AM
blu, you had 13 karma points and I didn't want to see it jinx the season so I spotted you one. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 24, 2010, 09:03:30 AM
blu, you had 13 karma points and I didn't want to see it jinx the season so I spotted you one. :)

I can only dream of the day I approach 300.  So, though my IOU, and resulting +K's will mean little, relatively speaking, you're on the list!  But perhaps this is time recall what my daddy always told me; "I'd rather owe you the rest of my life, than beat you out of it." ;)    Thanks man!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 07:51:08 AM
Actually, the person heading the meeting was on board.  I believe his intent might be to "push through proper channels."  This whole issue has kind of taken on a life of its own.  It was born of a relatively benign comment resulting from a "somebody farted!" look and response I got from another person in the meeting.  At the time, I just thought it was funny.  Still do.  And again... Blue cups work just fine.

As for serving alcohol during college games, that's one of those "if it ain't broke..."  Honestly, it is a policy I support.  It would be difficult to police keeping it from getting into the hands of the younger students.  And, as I attend a fair number of UT games in Austin, I can say that I'm glad they cut it off when they do.  Frankly, the  games are enough of an experience without it.
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 24, 2010, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 07:51:08 AM
Actually, the person heading the meeting was on board.  I believe his intent might be to "push through proper channels."  This whole issue has kind of taken on a life of its own.  It was born of a relatively benign comment resulting from a "somebody farted!" look and response I got from another person in the meeting.  At the time, I just thought it was funny.  Still do.  And again... Blue cups work just fine.

As for serving alcohol during college games, that's one of those "if it ain't broke..."  Honestly, it is a policy I support.  It would be difficult to police keeping it from getting into the hands of the younger students.  And, as I attend a fair number of UT games in Austin, I can say that I'm glad they cut it off when they do.  Frankly, the  games are enough of an experience without it.
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.

Im guessing thats what little (compared to MN) Illinois College is trying to avoid lol, by just not allowing alcohol at all.  Must have had problems in the past from those rowdy WI and IL fans
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 09:41:27 PM
AO- Did you catch the great news? I think your K-rating jumped a point to -881.  ;) If I had a vote, I'd toss you one more.  But for now, you get an IOU.  A journey of 1000 miles...  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 24, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).

That still might not stop Hawkeye fans from having sex in the stadium bathrooms and stealing the Gophers goalposts after winning a Big Ten title  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).
Yes it is/was a U of M decision.  In fact the state legislature passed a bill prohibiting the U from selling alcohol just in the clubs and suites and not in the general admission area.  This forced the U to choose between selling to everyone or selling to no one and thereby hurting club and suite sales.  They choose to sell to no one to fit in with the majority of other schools who don't sell to the general public.  

Quote from: doolittledog on August 24, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).

That still might not stop Hawkeye fans from having sex in the stadium bathrooms and stealing the Gophers goalposts after winning a Big Ten title  ;D ;D ;D
It should be noted that the hawkeye fans were stopped short of stealing the goalposts when they couldn't get them through the revolving doors of the humpty dome.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 24, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).

That still might not stop Hawkeye fans from having sex in the stadium bathrooms and stealing the Gophers goalposts after winning a Big Ten title  ;D ;D ;D
Hawkeye fans having sex in the bathroom with gophers???  I really gotta party with you, cowboy!  And I thought aggies were into some weird s%&t...  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 24, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).

That still might not stop Hawkeye fans from having sex in the stadium bathrooms and stealing the Gophers goalposts after winning a Big Ten title  ;D ;D ;D
Hawkeye fans having sex in the bathroom with gophers???  I really gotta party with you, cowboy!  And I thought aggies were into some weird s%&t...  ;D
Sorry!  My bad.  I misread that... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on August 25, 2010, 12:33:21 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 24, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).

That still might not stop Hawkeye fans from having sex in the stadium bathrooms and stealing the Gophers goalposts after winning a Big Ten title  ;D ;D ;D
Hawkeye fans having sex in the bathroom with gophers???  I really gotta party with you, cowboy!  And I thought aggies were into some weird s%&t...  ;D
Sorry!  My bad.  I misread that... ;)
no problem, a little better explanation of iowa love can be read here (http://deadspin.com/5100393/wonderful-boyfriend-makes-up-other-half-of-iowa-bathroom-sex-team)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 25, 2010, 12:44:35 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 24, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).

That still might not stop Hawkeye fans from having sex in the stadium bathrooms and stealing the Gophers goalposts after winning a Big Ten title  ;D ;D ;D
Hawkeye fans having sex in the bathroom with gophers???  I really gotta party with you, cowboy!  And I thought aggies were into some weird s%&t...  ;D
Sorry!  My bad.  I misread that... ;)

You just wanted to post twice so u can stop giving out IOU's  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 25, 2010, 12:49:33 AM
Preseason Poll (http://www.midwestconference.org/poll.aspx?poll=2)

I think I know what Roop's been doing instead of posting on here ^
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 25, 2010, 07:21:36 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 25, 2010, 12:44:35 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 24, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 24, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on August 24, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: AO on August 24, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
The university of minnesota had been selling beer for the 30 years at the metrodome without any difficulty, but now that they built a new stadium half a mile closer to the dorms, they won't sell anymore.   I guess we did have a few incidents with the adults from wisconsin and iowa stealing goalposts and having affairs in the bathroom for everyone to see, but I'm pretty sure they all got a pretty good head start with the red and blue cups and avoided paying $8 inside to get stupid.
That wasn't a U of M decision.  That's NCAA policy because the Gophers moved from a non-college owned facility to a college owned facility.  NCAA prohibits sale of alcohol in college owned stadiums and arenas (except in clubs and suites).

That still might not stop Hawkeye fans from having sex in the stadium bathrooms and stealing the Gophers goalposts after winning a Big Ten title  ;D ;D ;D
Hawkeye fans having sex in the bathroom with gophers???  I really gotta party with you, cowboy!  And I thought aggies were into some weird s%&t...  ;D
Sorry!  My bad.  I misread that... ;)

You just wanted to post twice so u can stop giving out IOU's  ;)
See, there you go...  I was owing you a couple, but then you go and  "out" me. "No K's for you!!!" ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 25, 2010, 07:24:50 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 25, 2010, 12:49:33 AM
Preseason Poll (http://www.midwestconference.org/poll.aspx?poll=2)

I think I know what Roop's been doing instead of posting on here ^

What?  Security must have been lacking.  I think someone got in and stole votes out of the IC ballot box and put them in to Beloit's.  I'll get to the bottom of this, but I think I know where to start my investigation...  :(  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 25, 2010, 08:54:49 AM
There is absolutely no doubt (and probably no proof) that The Roop is responsible for this act of craziness!!!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 25, 2010, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 25, 2010, 08:54:49 AM
There is absolutely no doubt (and probably no proof) that The Roop is responsible for this act of craziness!!!!

You told me this guy was trouble...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 25, 2010, 10:45:48 AM
Actually blu, I am extremely surprised he has not been on more often. He is a strong Beloit supporter (that says a lot for his sanity) and is usually on line much more often. I truly hope he is OK.

But in the meantime, we can all blame everything on Roop for any troubles this site may have.  ;D

So what is the latest with your son? I remember freshman year camp. It was an eye opening experience for my son. And I am sure the freshman this year are having the same reaction up in De Pere.

They just think that D3 is maybe a little tougher than High School. But then camp starts and baby, you ain't seen nothing like this.  :o


GO GREEN KNIGHTS



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on August 25, 2010, 07:45:36 PM
http://www.snc.edu/athletics/football/roster.html
SNC roster.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on August 25, 2010, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: peteSNCFan on August 25, 2010, 07:45:36 PM
http://www.snc.edu/athletics/football/roster.html
SNC roster.....
Huge 49 player first year class....8 from Florida....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 25, 2010, 09:20:26 PM
And they have size.... oe is that what you meant by huge??    ::)

A new stadium does not hurt recruiting.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 26, 2010, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: peteSNCFan on August 25, 2010, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: peteSNCFan on August 25, 2010, 07:45:36 PM
http://www.snc.edu/athletics/football/roster.html
SNC roster.....
Huge 49 player first year class....8 from Florida....
Florida?  Pshhh!  How many from Texas?  Florida is where you go once you've depleted Texas...   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 26, 2010, 09:49:36 AM
SNC- Thanks for asking.  He's doing great.  Probably battling a little homesickness and missing the GF (Texas girl, nuf said).  ;) But let me tell you, you know two guys who no longer believe that D3 ball is 13th grade football...

He's loving it.  The sophistication of the game caught him by surprise.  He's got a cannon of an arm. I think he figured he'd go up there, chuck a few 65 yd bombs, and they'd hand him the keys to the car (for next season).  Now it's kinda, "Woah-up, Hoss!"  There's a lot to learn. He's NEVER been coached (long story). Hard to believe given that he played at 5A Texas level, but take my word for it.  But we chose IC for a reason.  While it had great academics and was a great fit environmentally, it was Coach Campbell.  For the first time, he has a relationship with his coach (and he loves it), and is, actually being coached.  He's learning.  When we talk, I'm blown away by what he's being exposed to.  I think, to a certain degree, so is he...

Admittedly, it has become a bit of a grind.  It's gone from "Wow! Football from 7AM-10PM!  This is awesome!" to "It's time to make the donuts...."  He related some fatigue (mental more than physical) to me 2 days ago.  It was the first time I'd ever heard that about football.  But that's to be expected.  So, after a talk with his experienced coach and mentor, he was good to go the next day and reports that he's improving.  Camp is camp.  I can't imagine it doesn't have a similar effect on everyone.  But in the end, like I said, he's loving it.  He's where he's meant to be and playing for a coach that gets him and his love for the game.  With the coaching he's getting, I'm pumped to see him take it to a new level.  Then, he's heading north to KICK SOME SNC A#%!!!  Oh & MC too!  ;D

But kidding aside, thanks again for asking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 26, 2010, 11:12:57 AM
Sorry, Red.  Didn't mean to exclude Ripon.  You too!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 26, 2010, 11:34:15 AM
Not sure if this has been reported, but pretty big news out of Ripon from the preview on their website:

QuoteAfter last season, the position with the least amount of concern was quarterback, where Matthew Miller was named All Conference Honorable Mention after a junior season that saw him rush for 922 yards and 14 touchdowns, while also tossing four TDs. Unfortunately for the Red Hawks that position has quickly become one of uncertainty, as they will be without Miller's services in 2010 after an offseason knee injury that will sideline him for the season.

Miller has had a lot of success there so this could be huge, although over the past five years or so, it seems Ripon has lost a game-breaking player every year  in their backfield and then plugged in a new guy who has been even better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 26, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
I think I recall that it was reported.  Nevertheless, I hate to hear it.  These kids are playing for the love of the game.  It sucks when it's taken away from them.  Godspeed in his recovery.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 26, 2010, 12:04:56 PM
Blu - Thanks for including us!  Thanks to your chatter on here, this will be the first time in 15 18 years that I will look forward to watching IC play...  As for Miller and the QB position...... Miller is doing what he needs to do to recover, and we'll have to see who steps up. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
It was mentioned in Kickoff, at least.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 26, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 26, 2010, 12:04:56 PM
Blu - Thanks for including us!  Thanks to your chatter on here, this will be the first time in 15 18 years that I will look forward to watching IC play...  As for Miller and the QB position...... Miller is doing what he needs to do to recover, and we'll have to see who steps up. 


It's a work in progress! You wouldn't have wanted to show up at the Sistine Chapel when Michelangelo was layin' down the primer... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 26, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on August 26, 2010, 11:34:15 AM
Not sure if this has been reported, but pretty big news out of Ripon from the preview on their website:

QuoteAfter last season, the position with the least amount of concern was quarterback, where Matthew Miller was named All Conference Honorable Mention after a junior season that saw him rush for 922 yards and 14 touchdowns, while also tossing four TDs. Unfortunately for the Red Hawks that position has quickly become one of uncertainty, as they will be without Miller's services in 2010 after an offseason knee injury that will sideline him for the season.

Miller has had a lot of success there so this could be huge, although over the past five years or so, it seems Ripon has lost a game-breaking player every year  in their backfield and then plugged in a new guy who has been even better.

In 2008 the starting QB was out for the season after the first game against UWO with a broken hand, and Miller stepped up huge in the starting role for the season as a sophomore.  The same situation this year, but now the 'backups' have all of preseaon to prepare for that.  So hopefully someone will step up big or it could be a  long year on offense.  Talking to some players it sounds like some freshman QB's are giving the senior a run for his money
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 26, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
I almost forgot.  I'm excited to watch via webcast when Ripon 'flys' down to Middleofnowhere, IL to dismantle the Blue Children   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 27, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 26, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
I almost forgot.  I'm excited to watch via webcast when Ripon 'flys' down to Middleofnowhere, IL to dismantle the Blue Children   ;D

Hi.  I'm Jim.  I'm a message boardaholic.  I felt compelled to say that because I actually found myself, sadly, going to Wikipedia to research the advantage Ripon, Wisconsin has over Middleofnowhere, IL.  My research indicated that those who live in glass houses shouldn't want to play that card...   ;D

I know little or nothing about Wisconsin geography.  But at first glance, it doesn't look like Ripon is on, what would be described as, "the beaten path".  Nor does its published/claimed population of 7700 +/- bring to mind skyscrapers and a thriving nightlife.  Now, as a result of personal and direct experience, I can say that, despite J-ville's bustling population of nearly 19,000, it's likely not gonna puff its chest out too much on the subjects of great eateries, and big city culture.  But then again, I'm from Houston, Texas.  What the hell do I know about that stuff?  Having not been to Ripon, I can't compare the two (J-ville and Ripon), but either claiming much of an advantage here is kinda like being the tallest midget...  As for the "Blue Children" reference, all I can say is ain't no child that leaves three tracks in the sand...    ;)

So here's the deal, Red.  I look forward to the trip to Ripon when the schedule opens up to makes that a possibility.  And it will.  And, when it does, you gotta hook a brotha up with some of the finest cuisine and hospitality Ripon has to offer.  Should you make it to either Houston or J-ville, I'll do likewise.  But be forewarned, the demographics in Houston, at least according to Wikipedia, might be a bit shocking to you.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TurtleHead on August 27, 2010, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 27, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 26, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
I almost forgot.  I'm excited to watch via webcast when Ripon 'flys' down to Middleofnowhere, IL to dismantle the Blue Children   ;D

Hi.  I'm Jim.  I'm a message boardaholic.  I felt compelled to say that because I actually found myself, sadly, going to Wikipedia to research the advantage Ripon, Wisconsin has over Middleofnowhere, IL.  My research indicated that those who live in glass houses shouldn't want to play that card...   ;D

I know little or nothing about Wisconsin geography.  But at first glance, it doesn't look like Ripon is on, what would be described as, "the beaten path".  Nor does its published/claimed population of 7700 +/- bring to mind skyscrapers and a thriving nightlife.  Now, as a result of personal and direct experience, I can say that, despite J-ville's bustling population of nearly 19,000, it's likely not gonna puff its chest out too much on the subjects of great eateries, and big city culture.  But then again, I'm from Houston, Texas.  What the hell do I know about that stuff?  Having not been to Ripon, I can't compare the two (J-ville and Ripon), but either claiming much of an advantage here is kinda like being the tallest midget...  As for the "Blue Children" reference, all I can say is ain't no child that leaves three tracks in the sand...    ;)

So here's the deal, Red.  I look forward to the trip to Ripon when the schedule opens up to makes that a possibility.  And it will.  And, when it does, you gotta hook a brotha up with some of the finest cuisine and hospitality Ripon has to offer.  Should you make it to either Houston or J-ville, I'll do likewise.  But be forewarned, the demographics in Houston, at least according to Wikipedia, might be a bit shocking to you.   ;)


Gonna have to agree with Blu on this one.  Been to Ripon a number of times to watch baseball games and while the campus is beautifull I would be stretching the truth if I were to say it was a booming metropolis.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 27, 2010, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 27, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 26, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
I almost forgot.  I'm excited to watch via webcast when Ripon 'flys' down to Middleofnowhere, IL to dismantle the Blue Children   ;D

Hi.  I'm Jim.  I'm a message boardaholic.  I felt compelled to say that because I actually found myself, sadly, going to Wikipedia to research the advantage Ripon, Wisconsin has over Middleofnowhere, IL.  My research indicated that those who live in glass houses shouldn't want to play that card...   ;D

I know little or nothing about Wisconsin geography.  But at first glance, it doesn't look like Ripon is on, what would be described as, "the beaten path".  Nor does its published/claimed population of 7700 +/- bring to mind skyscrapers and a thriving nightlife.  Now, as a result of personal and direct experience, I can say that, despite J-ville's bustling population of nearly 19,000, it's likely not gonna puff its chest out too much on the subjects of great eateries, and big city culture.  But then again, I'm from Houston, Texas.  What the hell do I know about that stuff?  Having not been to Ripon, I can't compare the two (J-ville and Ripon), but either claiming much of an advantage here is kinda like being the tallest midget...  As for the "Blue Children" reference, all I can say is ain't no child that leaves three tracks in the sand...    ;)

So here's the deal, Red.  I look forward to the trip to Ripon when the schedule opens up to makes that a possibility.  And it will.  And, when it does, you gotta hook a brotha up with some of the finest cuisine and hospitality Ripon has to offer.  Should you make it to either Houston or J-ville, I'll do likewise.  But be forewarned, the demographics in Houston, at least according to Wikipedia, might be a bit shocking to you.   ;)

HAHAHA!!!  I'll have to side with you Blu!!  Although I attended and played at Ripon, I would have to agree that there isn't much to the city(town)..  You take the college out of Ripon, there is nothing left.  Even Ripon Good Cookies was bought out awhile back.  HOWEVER!!  It does have a few places that when I do return I want to go eat at, because you can't find that type of goodness here :P...  The one claim to fame is Ripon has one of the very few K-Marts left in the country ;D.... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 27, 2010, 10:28:46 AM
Oh, and BTW, I think it's worth mentioning, that I'm only a D3 Football message board junkie.  I don't play anywhere else.  I used to post on 5A Texas Football, but there was too much hate.  Too much venom.  I have really appreciated the welcome I've received and the spirit of this board (group hug time).  I just wish there was more participation from the rest of the conference (LF, Knox, Grinnell, etc.).  I know they haven't had the strongest of records to boast, but c'mon!  Grow a pair and show up at the party (just not wearing sweat pants and no underwear).  I can't say the IC's history was what gave me the incentive to play here.  The more we raise awareness for our schools, the better the recruiting.  The better the recruiting, the higher the quality of play.  The higher the quality of play, the more competitive the conference.  When we get that, then MAYBE, some day, we won't have suck hind teat behind the boys from the WIAC and MIAC.  Don't get all excited WI & MI, I'm just sayin' "MAYBE" and "some day"... ;).  And again, it's only one step in the 1000 mile journey...

But if you're out there, and you're just a guest, and you pull for someone other than SNC, MC, or Ripon, jump in!

Dang it!  I just twisted my ankle stepping down off my soap box...  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 27, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
Turtlehead- Great name.  Cracked up.  Probably don't want to know the origin, though.  I know what it means, here...  Hadn't seen you, but then again, I'm still the new guy.

Stay tuned in.  The season's upon us.  Win or lose, the trash will flow with only growing intensity.  BLUEBOY NATION is on the rise and ain't goin' anywhere! ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 27, 2010, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 27, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on August 26, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
I almost forgot.  I'm excited to watch via webcast when Ripon 'flys' down to Middleofnowhere, IL to dismantle the Blue Children   ;D

Hi.  I'm Jim.  I'm a message boardaholic.  I felt compelled to say that because I actually found myself, sadly, going to Wikipedia to research the advantage Ripon, Wisconsin has over Middleofnowhere, IL.  My research indicated that those who live in glass houses shouldn't want to play that card...   ;D

I know little or nothing about Wisconsin geography.  But at first glance, it doesn't look like Ripon is on, what would be described as, "the beaten path".  Nor does its published/claimed population of 7700 +/- bring to mind skyscrapers and a thriving nightlife.  Now, as a result of personal and direct experience, I can say that, despite J-ville's bustling population of nearly 19,000, it's likely not gonna puff its chest out too much on the subjects of great eateries, and big city culture.  But then again, I'm from Houston, Texas.  What the hell do I know about that stuff?  Having not been to Ripon, I can't compare the two (J-ville and Ripon), but either claiming much of an advantage here is kinda like being the tallest midget...  As for the "Blue Children" reference, all I can say is ain't no child that leaves three tracks in the sand...    ;)

So here's the deal, Red.  I look forward to the trip to Ripon when the schedule opens up to makes that a possibility.  And it will.  And, when it does, you gotta hook a brotha up with some of the finest cuisine and hospitality Ripon has to offer.  Should you make it to either Houston or J-ville, I'll do likewise.  But be forewarned, the demographics in Houston, at least according to Wikipedia, might be a bit shocking to you.   ;)


Well played sir.

also, sidenote, I had no idea that jacksonville had ~19,000. I dont know if it was there or Grinnell that had the Kum n' Go gas station. priceless.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 27, 2010, 12:10:33 PM
Yeah, that's like an asian market here, called Hung Dong.  Or the restaurants Fu Kim.  Not making this up, but I digress...

I've been told the best breakfast in J-ville is at a gas station.  Seriously.  Was told by the coach that it's amazing.  Haven't tried it, but will (should we meet, you'll know that I rarely pass up a restaurant recommendation, or heck, a restaurant, period).  ;)  Needless to say, I don't think that restaurant factoid is promoted by the J-ville Chamber of Commerce.

On an unrelated note: Guys, is it time for an APB for The Roop?  I'd like to call him out by some chatter about how the Blueboys are gonna put an end of season beatdown on Beloit, but until we hear from him and confirm that all's well, I'll just ask if there's some way to connect with him?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 27, 2010, 12:55:12 PM
If you dare, you can scroll back several pages to The Roop's last post and click on his Handle to the left of the screen.  That will take you the personal information, as provided.  You can also send internal messages from this site.  A nice feature, especially around playoff time when people are curious about the in-person viewpoints from the Monmouth games-in-progress.   ;)  Oh, yeah, you should probably be aware of the live podcasts - if you have not heard about them already. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 27, 2010, 05:45:12 PM
I've been in Beloit much of the past two weeks and really haven't heard anything about the football team. Which means they aren't at all concerned about IC. Nor should they be  ;)

I'm on a first name basis with most of the staff at Menards now as well as Culvers; it's near Menards, etc. Mom had emergency surgery a couple weeks back and has been in a local nursing home doing physical therapy ever since. So I've had time to address 20 years of neglected yard work without being supervised. It's finally getting there but I still have more to do.

She should be home Monday and then I can hear about everything I did wrong or what I shouldn't have done in the first place. Oh well, one more week and then I'm taking a break as football season is approaching.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 27, 2010, 11:50:31 PM
ROOP! Good to hear from you. Sorry about the past 2 weeks. I am definitely looking forward to the trip to Beloit the 2nd week of the season.
I decided last minute to visit the frozen tundra of Green Bay. Went to see the team. Visited with a bunch of other parentsw that made the trip also. Good time.

Beautiful weather.  :D

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 28, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
Red White scrimmage on it's way in Ripon, WI...  However, due to a bad sub, I am home with food Poisoning..  Can't wait to hear how it goes.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 28, 2010, 06:47:10 PM
Welcome back Roop. Glad to hear you're well.  I should hope the team isn't thinking much about IC.  They've got almost a whole season before they have to face that demon.  But I'm flattered that you're thinking of them... ;)

We had an end of camp scrimmage today.  Obviously, I don't have a report.  My kid played.  Said he did okay, but the line behind the starting QB is a talented group.  There's gonna be a pretty good battle for # 2.  So next week we take on Millikin at home.  Should be fun. 

Now, on to the important news of the day.  My mighty Klein Broncos freshman football team is celebrating a 26-13 beatdown in their season opener against the Klein Bengals. I know y'all were waiting on that news.  I'll keep you posted of their progress as the season plays out.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 29, 2010, 12:18:08 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 27, 2010, 11:50:31 PM
ROOP! Good to hear from you. Sorry about the past 2 weeks. I am definitely looking forward to the trip to Beloit the 2nd week of the season.

Actually I was hoping for a week off from my road trips but apparently I'm the only one that can price my dads stuff for the rummage sale at a friends house that weekend. Mom didn't go for my idea of putting a nickel on every thing to make sure it all sells. So I will be in the area, it's just a matter of whether I can sneak off for the game or not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 29, 2010, 09:17:01 AM
Quote from: The Roop on August 29, 2010, 12:18:08 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 27, 2010, 11:50:31 PM
ROOP! Good to hear from you. Sorry about the past 2 weeks. I am definitely looking forward to the trip to Beloit the 2nd week of the season.

Actually I was hoping for a week off from my road trips but apparently I'm the only one that can price my dads stuff for the rummage sale at a friends house that weekend. Mom didn't go for my idea of putting a nickel on every thing to make sure it all sells. So I will be in the area, it's just a matter of whether I can sneak off for the game or not.

A nickel on everything? God I hope my wife doesn't hear of this...  Am I kidding? No!  On our trip to take Jamie to IC, she found a garage sale and we ended up paying an additional $25 bag fee to Continental to bring back a 25 lb. iron basket she bought for $1...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: retagent on August 29, 2010, 10:47:52 AM
Roop - Relevant to nothing else - it seems like your mother is my mother's clone. And probably 99% of everyone else's too. Good luck with that. You know it's because she loves you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 29, 2010, 01:27:14 PM
I know she loves me but at times like this, and dads passing, I wish she had more kids than just me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 29, 2010, 04:44:45 PM
You are a good son and are there for her. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on August 29, 2010, 07:44:42 PM
I have been following the banter here regarding IC. This is great stuff. I do have to agree with BTT that Coach Campbell is the real deal. Great offensive mind, charisma and a natural leader of men. If he can recruit the type of athletes  he needs to run his offense, and put together a solid D, IC will be a force to be reckoned with in the next few years. I know the history of the school in football is not great, but there have been many programs that have been turned around by a coach with his attitude and abilities. Great facilities and academics will only further his ability to field a strong consistent winning teams there. all that being said, i know they will not get past my Millikin this weekend, but here is hoping they can give the teams in the MWC something to worry about this fall. his first recruiting class are only sophomores. If he can fight the home sick buga boo from his new out of state players and keep drawing from that well, i believe IC will be force in the MWC in the very near future
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 30, 2010, 07:57:49 AM
Thanks for Nuthin!  (Pun intended)  Finally, a sign of intelligent life on this board.  (Other than mine.)  ;)  Best of luck this season to Millikin.  May you win every game but your first.  As for this weekend, I wish the best of health and safe travels.  ;D

I am sorry I can't be at the game this weekend.  I'd enjoy meeting you and hooking you up with a BBQ sandwich.  I'll make Millikin a priority for next season.  Oh, and if I could give K's, you'd be up a dozen.  You got an IOU...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 30, 2010, 08:46:58 AM
200 posts and you can do all that blu. Coincidently that is the same number of excuses I expect to hear after Beloit runs IC off the field ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 30, 2010, 08:58:06 AM
He's Baaaack!   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 30, 2010, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: The Roop on August 30, 2010, 08:46:58 AM
200 posts and you can do all that blu. Coincidently that is the same number of excuses I expect to hear after Beloit runs IC off the field ;)
You give me too much credit for creativity.  Should we lose, which I doubt, I'll just go to the old standards: The fix was in, home cooked refs, bad calls, injuries, ect.  I think you get the picture. 

With you back in the fold, I suspect I could get my K rights by week's end.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 30, 2010, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 30, 2010, 08:58:06 AM
He's Baaaack!   ;D



Yeah, I'm looking forward to him bringing his "A" game... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 30, 2010, 09:10:56 AM
He has a "B" game.......Beloit.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 30, 2010, 11:01:28 AM
No, it's an A game. A game as in "A"mericas Team.................... The Beloit College.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 30, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Mount Beloit
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 30, 2010, 11:58:37 AM
Mary-Hardin Beloit

::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on August 30, 2010, 12:04:51 PM
UW-Beloitwater
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 30, 2010, 12:10:58 PM
As long as the refs call it like I see it a rose by any other name................................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on August 30, 2010, 12:14:05 PM
The 2010 Season is finally upon us!!! With that I will give my non-conference picks for Week 1:

Lakeland College vs. Carroll U: Carroll by a few scores
Grinnell vs. Macalester: Macalester
Lake Forest vs Concordia (IL): Lake Forest
Ripon vs Wisc. Lutheran: Ripon big
IC vs Millikan: Sorry Blu, but the other big blue rolls in this one
College of St. Scholastica vs Lawrence: CSS (another long year for the vikings)
St. Norber vs St. Thomas: Game of the week by far and I'll get Norbert the edge at home in the new stadium.
Beliot vs U of Chicago: Chicago in a close game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 30, 2010, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: Footballfan99 on August 30, 2010, 12:14:05 PM
The 2010 Season is finally upon us!!! With that I will give my non-conference picks for Week 1:

Lakeland College vs. Carroll U: Carroll by a few scores
Grinnell vs. Macalester: Macalester
Lake Forest vs Concordia (IL): Lake Forest
Ripon vs Wisc. Lutheran: Ripon big
IC vs Millikan: Sorry Blu, but the other big blue rolls in this one
College of St. Scholastica vs Lawrence: CSS (another long year for the vikings)
St. Norber vs St. Thomas: Game of the week by far and I'll get Norbert the edge at home in the new stadium.
Beliot vs U of Chicago: Chicago in a close game.


Um, hello........ :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 30, 2010, 12:38:08 PM
scottie is feeling a little left out, especially with the SNC prediction. WOW!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 30, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
MC at Wartburg (under the lights) might be a very close second (or possibly THE) G.O.W.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on August 30, 2010, 01:23:59 PM
Ha my bad, I totally forgot about the big MU playing Wartburg, but I'll stand by my Game of the Week and go with MU getting the W over Wartburg, don't worry Scottie I won't forget about you again!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 30, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: Footballfan99 on August 30, 2010, 01:23:59 PM
Ha my bad, I totally forgot about the big MU playing Wartburg, but I'll stand by my Game of the Week and go with MU getting the W over Wartburg, don't worry Scottie I won't forget about you again!

As they like to proclaim on those inferior boards: K+ for you!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 30, 2010, 03:05:09 PM
Carroll
Grinnell
Lake Forest
Ripon
Millikin
St.Scholastica in a close one
St. Thomas
Monmouth

It's really close for game of the week for me.  Sadly I think St. Thomas is gonna blow SNC out, they are by far the best of the four teams participating in the two big games for the conference opening week.  Anyone picking SNC is insane in my opinion, St. thomas is a stagg bowl contender.  I like Monmouth v. Wartburg because I think we are gonna see another great game ala 2008 playoffs.  I'm picking Monmouth to hold on this time.

I do think Grinnell will win though and that Lawrence has a chance.  The teams they're playing are just as bad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on August 30, 2010, 03:08:20 PM
...Oh yeah, and Wash U. over Knox big, and Chicago over Beloit in a close one
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on August 30, 2010, 03:57:56 PM
Ditto on the Wash U over Knox, man am I slipping with not getting all my picks up...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 30, 2010, 05:11:58 PM
Boy it would be nice for the conference if Monmouth and SNC could both win. I think one game will be close and the other one not so close.  An IC win would be nice for the conference as well. With the schedule the rest of the conference is playing, there is little hope of improving the status of the conference even if they were to win out. Here's what I will say............ if the conference wants an at large team in the playoffs this year both monmouth and snc need to win period!  It still might be tough for monmouth with one loss but i think a one loss snc would be a shoo -in for an at large this year with a victory over the tommies.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 30, 2010, 05:47:32 PM


As much as I would like to see a team from the MWC get an at-large, for the next couple years, no team will get in with 1 loss...  Lately Monmouth has been getting the W's in the conference and SNC has been staying right in 2nd/3rd place.  So to think that SNC would be a shoo - in, is crazy.  What needs to happen is the top 3 teams (Monmouth, SNC, Ripon) need to compete at a higher level in the non-conference for about 2-3 years, the lower teams in the conference need to get better, THEN you will see better shot's at the at-large.  But when this Conference has had the same 3 teams in the top three for the last 5-10 years, with no consistant BIG non-conference wins, it's hard to get the look we deserve.  We also don't have the play-off respect that we need to bring in another team from the MWC.  A couple more years of getting past the first and even the second round, then we'll start to get a little more respect.  Until then we are stuck with the automatic bid. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 30, 2010, 05:56:02 PM
Unfortunately I think the NCAA sent a message to D3 football teams with the at large selection. That message is win. Doesn't matter who it is against and how weak. Even though Wartburg was not as strong as in years past, SNC was snubbed for the at-large. Pat brought this to light at the end of last season especially with his interview with a representative from the selection committee. It was very disheartening.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 30, 2010, 05:47:32 PM


As much as I would like to see a team from the MWC get an at-large, for the next couple years, no team will get in with 1 loss...  Lately Monmouth has been getting the W's in the conference and SNC has been staying right in 2nd/3rd place.  So to think that SNC would be a shoo - in, is crazy.  What needs to happen is the top 3 teams (Monmouth, SNC, Ripon) need to compete at a higher level in the non-conference for about 2-3 years, the lower teams in the conference need to get better, THEN you will see better shot's at the at-large.  But when this Conference has had the same 3 teams in the top three for the last 5-10 years, with no consistant BIG non-conference wins, it's hard to get the look we deserve.  We also don't have the play-off respect that we need to bring in another team from the MWC.  A couple more years of getting past the first and even the second round, then we'll start to get a little more respect.  Until then we are stuck with the automatic bid. 

Spot on.

A 9-1 SNC (beat the Tommies, not win conference due to overtime loss to undefeated Monmouth) would have a CHANCE, but the MWC is pretty far down the food chain.  RS is quite correct - both non-con wins over top 50 opponents and some postseason wins will have to occur before the MWC stands much REAL chance of a pool C bid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 30, 2010, 06:26:50 PM
I think we need to get Congress involved in this MWC at-large position snubbing nonsense.

I don't know enough about the teams to make any bold predictions about IC's match-up this weekend, but let's just say I have little faith in this board's prognosticators...    :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 30, 2010, 06:26:50 PM
I think we need to get Congress involved in this MWC at-large position snubbing nonsense.

When your first playoff team starts winning on a more regular basis, you can ask congress to get involved for a second team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on August 30, 2010, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 30, 2010, 05:47:32 PM


As much as I would like to see a team from the MWC get an at-large, for the next couple years, no team will get in with 1 loss...  Lately Monmouth has been getting the W's in the conference and SNC has been staying right in 2nd/3rd place.  So to think that SNC would be a shoo - in, is crazy.  What needs to happen is the top 3 teams (Monmouth, SNC, Ripon) need to compete at a higher level in the non-conference for about 2-3 years, the lower teams in the conference need to get better, THEN you will see better shot's at the at-large.  But when this Conference has had the same 3 teams in the top three for the last 5-10 years, with no consistant BIG non-conference wins, it's hard to get the look we deserve.  We also don't have the play-off respect that we need to bring in another team from the MWC.  A couple more years of getting past the first and even the second round, then we'll start to get a little more respect.  Until then we are stuck with the automatic bid. 

Spot on.

A 9-1 SNC (beat the Tommies, not win conference due to overtime loss to undefeated Monmouth) would have a CHANCE, but the MWC is pretty far down the food chain.  RS is quite correct - both non-con wins over top 50 opponents and some postseason wins will have to occur before the MWC stands much REAL chance of a pool C bid.
I don't think the MWC needs any postseason wins before getting a pool C.  If the MWC really does go 10-0, 9-1 on Saturday, I think the owp and oowp are going to look good for st. norberts if they go 9-1.  The only non-conference opponent picked to finish less than .500 is Macalester.  If there is any year when the MWC is going to get a pool C, it would be this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2010, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: AO on August 30, 2010, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 30, 2010, 05:47:32 PM


As much as I would like to see a team from the MWC get an at-large, for the next couple years, no team will get in with 1 loss...  Lately Monmouth has been getting the W's in the conference and SNC has been staying right in 2nd/3rd place.  So to think that SNC would be a shoo - in, is crazy.  What needs to happen is the top 3 teams (Monmouth, SNC, Ripon) need to compete at a higher level in the non-conference for about 2-3 years, the lower teams in the conference need to get better, THEN you will see better shot's at the at-large.  But when this Conference has had the same 3 teams in the top three for the last 5-10 years, with no consistant BIG non-conference wins, it's hard to get the look we deserve.  We also don't have the play-off respect that we need to bring in another team from the MWC.  A couple more years of getting past the first and even the second round, then we'll start to get a little more respect.  Until then we are stuck with the automatic bid. 

Spot on.

A 9-1 SNC (beat the Tommies, not win conference due to overtime loss to undefeated Monmouth) would have a CHANCE, but the MWC is pretty far down the food chain.  RS is quite correct - both non-con wins over top 50 opponents and some postseason wins will have to occur before the MWC stands much REAL chance of a pool C bid.
I don't think the MWC needs any postseason wins before getting a pool C.  If the MWC really does go 10-0, 9-1 on Saturday, I think the owp and oowp are going to look good for st. norberts if they go 9-1.  The only non-conference opponent picked to finish less than .500 is Macalester.  If there is any year when the MWC is going to get a pool C, it would be this year.

Notice I didn't rule out the chances of the MWC getting a pool C, but pool Cs usually go to runners-up in 'power' conferences.  At 19th (of 27), that would not describe the MWC! ;)  Nonetheless, the selection committees do recognize that even 'weak' conferences can have two good teams; in basketball, both the NCAC (Wooster and Wittenberg) and the MIAA (Hope and Calvin, sometimes Albion) often get pool Cs, though neither is seen (overall) as a very good conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on August 31, 2010, 12:50:36 AM
SNC will get in with a win over St. Thomas. Ripon would have gotten in a couple years ago with a win over UWO and a 9-1 record.

With that being said, my picks for the week:
Lakeland edges Carroll
Grinnell over Macalester
Concordia big over LFC
Ripon over WLC
Millikin beats up IC
Lawrence gets one of possibly two wins on the year against St. Scholastica
Chicago over Beloit (not sure on this one)
Wash U beats up Knox
Monmouth squeaks by Wartburg

Game of the week:
St. Thomas beats up SNC (sorry, SNCDad. i hope I'm wrong)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2010, 07:30:33 AM
While I tend to think the Tommies will beat SNC, perhaps the first game of the year is the time to play them. (Probably just me being optimistic).

Then again, maybe our new mascot - to be introduced Saturday - will have some sort of super powers to garner us a win.

And if we lose, we can always chant "let's play hockey" at the Tommie faithful...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 31, 2010, 08:38:21 AM
Quote from: AO on August 30, 2010, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on August 30, 2010, 05:47:32 PM


As much as I would like to see a team from the MWC get an at-large, for the next couple years, no team will get in with 1 loss...  Lately Monmouth has been getting the W's in the conference and SNC has been staying right in 2nd/3rd place.  So to think that SNC would be a shoo - in, is crazy.  What needs to happen is the top 3 teams (Monmouth, SNC, Ripon) need to compete at a higher level in the non-conference for about 2-3 years, the lower teams in the conference need to get better, THEN you will see better shot's at the at-large.  But when this Conference has had the same 3 teams in the top three for the last 5-10 years, with no consistant BIG non-conference wins, it's hard to get the look we deserve.  We also don't have the play-off respect that we need to bring in another team from the MWC.  A couple more years of getting past the first and even the second round, then we'll start to get a little more respect.  Until then we are stuck with the automatic bid. 

Spot on.

A 9-1 SNC (beat the Tommies, not win conference due to overtime loss to undefeated Monmouth) would have a CHANCE, but the MWC is pretty far down the food chain.  RS is quite correct - both non-con wins over top 50 opponents and some postseason wins will have to occur before the MWC stands much REAL chance of a pool C bid.
I don't think the MWC needs any postseason wins before getting a pool C.  If the MWC really does go 10-0, 9-1 on Saturday, I think the owp and oowp are going to look good for st. norberts if they go 9-1.  The only non-conference opponent picked to finish less than .500 is Macalester.  If there is any year when the MWC is going to get a pool C, it would be this year.

Hey old friend!!!  How are things in Cedar Rapids?  How is the Nasif house holding up?  As far as your thoughts, I think you are still off on 2 from the MWC..  I hate to be so negative about a conference that not only did I play in, but grew up watching and supporting..  I still stick to my previous post.  Who's Coe got this weekend?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 08:48:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 30, 2010, 06:26:50 PM
I think we need to get Congress involved in this MWC at-large position snubbing nonsense.

When your first playoff team starts winning on a more regular basis, you can ask congress to get involved for a second team.

I lost a K over this?  C'mon, Man! ;D  I was hopeful that you'd pick up on the location of my tongue, as it was firmly planted in my cheek.  Given their history and track record of success, congress's involvement, particularly if on our behalf, would only exacerbate our perceived issue. ;) 

I guess we'll have to wait for the Blueboys to achieve, what I am predicting they will in the coming years (that's right, I'm saying it; conference championship) so we can stop sending boys in to do a man's job. ;D  That'll go a lot further than congress can take us... 

Whoda thunk it:  IC, the MWC's great blue hope! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2010, 09:08:49 AM
Don't assume that I took away a point from you. 14 hours have passed since your last post. Plenty of people have been through this board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 09:11:30 AM
blu, believe me, you will lose some and you will gain some. And then there is scottie!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on August 31, 2010, 05:58:11 PM
Kickoff 2010 is almost among us!

I picked up all of my camping gear today so I can camp out in front of Ingalls Field friday night
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 09:11:30 AM
blu, believe me, you will lose some and you will gain some. And then there is scottie!   ;)
Thanks!  Where was that advice before I spent $150 on therapy made that embarrassing call to the suicide prevention hotline?  Given that my posts have bucked convention, I'm lucky I'm not in the red, as I expect to be in the coming years when IC puts the beat-down on the rest of the conference.  Admit it, y'all are all startin' to worry that I might not actually be crazy after all... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
What? Me Worry?   ;D

And blu. My son is a senior, so you get one shot!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
Yeah, he may graduate, but you ain't goin' anywhere... ;)  You'll be here for the day of reckoning!

Timing isn't on our side, Jamie won't play this year.  What position does your son play?  #?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 07:10:12 PM
blu, I will definitely stick around here after graduation. This place is addicting and D3 is the greatest.

Now to answer your question, take a good look at my name and think PROTECTION!
::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 31, 2010, 07:11:22 PM
Despite the MWC's  reputation I'm standing by my comment that a 1 loss St. Norbert team would get an at large bid with a win over St. Thomas. And yes I am assuming two things. !) that the tommies are 1st or 2nd in their conference and 2) that SNC doesn't have an embarrassing loss.  From what I read it seemed the SNC was at least considered for a Pool C bid last year. Many fans claim that Wartburg finishing 6-4 costing them the selection, (which it didn't help) but wasn't it more of the lopsided loss to MC. The score was 52-24 in a game which really wasn't that close.  In my opinion that may have had more to do with it.  I know I am speculating here but it would be interesting to hear from someone with some inside scoop.  Finally after further consideration this is the realistic scenario that a MWC gets a pool c bid.  Monmouth's showing in last year's  playoffs sealed that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 31, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
oh ya and honestly does anyone really care what their Karma is?  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
I think that Pat might be one of the best to comment on why SNC did not get a bid last year. His interview after the selection Sunday says a lot. If Wartburg had a season like they usually do, does SNC get in? Maybe. If SNC does not lost by the margin they did to MC, do they get a bid? Maybe.

BUT< IF SNC WINS CONFERENCE, DO THEY GET A BID? DEFINITELY. That really says it all. Win conference and you are in. Don't win conference and take chances with the selection committee.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 07:34:57 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 31, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
oh ya and honestly does anyone really care what their Karma is?  ???

dammit, I do! Y'all are the only friends I have. Wow! I really gotta take a look at my life!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 31, 2010, 07:42:05 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
I think that Pat might be one of the best to comment on why SNC did not get a bid last year. His interview after the selection Sunday says a lot. If Wartburg had a season like they usually do, does SNC get in? Maybe. If SNC does not lost by the margin they did to MC, do they get a bid? Maybe.

BUT< IF SNC WINS CONFERENCE, DO THEY GET A BID? DEFINITELY. That really says it all. Win conference and you are in. Don't win conference and take chances with the selection committee.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS

It really depends on the year and how other teams play out.  I know in 2006, going into the final week of the year, Wartburg was sitting at 8-1.  Their only loss was an OT game at a top 10 ranked Central team that was 9-0.  As it turned out, Wartburg lost their season finale to Dubuque to make it a moot subject, But had Wartburg won against Dubuque they would have been 9-1 with their only loss away in OT to an undefeated top 10 ranked school.  It was noted on here...I think by Pat, that the math numbers they ran indicated that Wartburg would not have recieved a Pool C bid that year.  And the IIAC is rated as a higher conference than the MWC.  

Moral of the story...hope there aren't a ton of 9-1 schools around the nation at the end of the season.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 07:10:12 PM
blu, I will definitely stick around here after graduation. This place is addicting and D3 is the greatest.

Now to answer your question, take a good look at my name and think PROTECTION!
::)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

;D
Duh! I honestly missed that! Public education at work, I guess.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 31, 2010, 07:47:53 PM
Blu if I ever get to the point where I can had out Karma, you'll receive plenty from me and I in turn will ask that you take ones away from me in exchange!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 31, 2010, 07:47:53 PM
Blu if I ever get to the point where I can had out Karma, you'll receive plenty from me and I in turn will ask that you take ones away from me in exchange!
Great! Cuz I think it's that dang Scottie tryin' to keep me down.  He's fearin' the Blue... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 31, 2010, 08:42:11 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 09:11:30 AM
blu, believe me, you will lose some and you will gain some. And then there is scottie!   ;)
Thanks!  Where was that advice before I spent $150 on therapy made that embarrassing call to the suicide prevention hotline?  Given that my posts have bucked convention, I'm lucky I'm not in the red, as I expect to be in the coming years when IC puts the beat-down on the rest of the conference.  Admit it, y'all are all startin' to worry that I might not actually be crazy after all... ;D

Just a theory but I don't think IC will have to worry about the 500 mile rule any time soon.

As for scottie................. He fears lots of things but none of them have been confirmed by science as actually existing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
ALL of you guys are LUCKY that I'm on the road so much and only able to monitor this garbage in fits and spurts!   ;D

I will say this....so everybody listen close (or put your face up to the monitor):  IF St. Norbert beats St. Thomas, they might not finish 8-1 in conference.  Do you get my drift?  I hope that the fighting (sn)Cold Ads and the Good Guys are both undefeated....but that would make for one fine G.O.W. in the MWC.  (Perhaps even worthy of a celebrity appearance from King Coleman in the Maple City....maybe even The Roop!)  Scottie might even show up, if you're lucky!   8-)

A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  B A G P I P E S ? ! ? ! ? ! ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 09:08:46 PM
Okay, help the rookie out.  What's the 500 mile rule?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 31, 2010, 09:22:48 PM
That is the distance the NCAA uses to determine whether a team must bus or they have to fly them to play an opponent in the post season tournament.  If it's less than 500 miles you bus, over that you fly.  The NCAA tries to limit it's expenses so it comes into play in determining match ups. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 09:33:10 PM
bagpipes I can stand. but Men in Plaid Skirts and that dang cannon. Those 2 things make me cringe. That skirt thing just ain't right scottie.


And as I have said many times on this board this year, I would love it if IC comes to De Pere and we are both undefeated, even if only in conference!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 10:14:18 PM
Okay.  Now I understand the 500 mile reference. 

Roop, get your shots in while you can.  It (the rule) may not be much of a concern now, but in the coming years, it will no longer be the absense of great dining establishments that will cause you to dread your trips to J-ville.  It'll be the donkey stompin' administered, and the disappointing rides home... ;D  But no worries.  We'll send you a post card around Thanksgiving.  It'll be from somewhere +/- 500 miles away.   ;)

Hope to see you 11/6...  Oh, and I'll call my shot now.  On that day, IC will taste the sweet nectar of victory! ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2010, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
I think that Pat might be one of the best to comment on why SNC did not get a bid last year. His interview after the selection Sunday says a lot. If Wartburg had a season like they usually do, does SNC get in? Maybe. If SNC does not lost by the margin they did to MC, do they get a bid? Maybe.

I mean, here's the interesting thing:

1) Did St. Norbert deserve a bid, based on subjective reasoning? Probably not.
2) Did St. Norbert deserve a bid, based on the NCAA selection criteria? I believe so.

The answers given by the NCAA committee did not fall under the printed criteria. But I'll say this: When there are only 10 games, I would like to see whatever reasonable information used to try to differentiate teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2010, 10:47:59 PM
Pat, as far as number 1 of your answer, I think we all know I am not subjective, especially when it comes to SNC. ( If you can't root for your own kid....)

As far as your 2nd answer, I believe you nailed it. They seemed to go against their own criteria.

Probably one of the largest obstacles for any MWC team is that they can only play one non-con game. With the conference being as weak as it is outside of the top 3 teams on a consistent basis, 1 non-con game makes if extremely difficult to gain support for an at-large.

But right now none of that matters. I am getting pumped for Saturday. It is supposed to be in the 60's for a high. The #5 ranked team coming to town. And a BEAUTIFUL brand new stadium.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2010, 10:49:20 PM
Seems like I should enjoy myself on my first trip to DePere!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 01, 2010, 12:00:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2010, 10:49:20 PM
Seems like I should enjoy myself on my first trip to DePere!

If you get a chance, you should also stop at "The Frozen Tundra" and the Packer Hall of Fame, as well!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2010, 12:14:22 AM
Would I have to turn in my Minnesota citizenship if I did? :)

I have to be back to sing in church on Sunday morning, so probably not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 01, 2010, 01:12:29 AM
Quote from: scottie on August 31, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
IF St. Norbert beats St. Thomas, they might not finish 8-1 in conference.  Do you get my drift?

A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  B A G P I P E S ? ! ? ! ? ! ?

I got ya!  If SNC beats St. Thomas...they ain't going 9-1! If they beat the Tommies, barring injuries, they're going undefeated, no doubt in my mind.  This is coming from a strong Monmouth supporter and alumni.

...but, I don't think they will and I'm still hopeful the Scots come away with their 3rd straight conference title and 10-0 reg. season.  Let's go get some revenge on Wartburg!  (2008)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 01, 2010, 09:37:12 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on August 31, 2010, 10:14:18 PM
  It'll be the donkey stompin' administered,



Donkey's don't stomp, monkeys do.  Get with it!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 01, 2010, 11:34:44 AM
Carroll holds off Lakeland 14-10
Grinnell beats Macalester 28-14
Concordia crushes LFC 42-7
Ripon destroys WLC 35-6
Millikin demolishes IC  49-14
St. Scholastica edges out Lawrence 21-17
Chicago beats Beloit 28-21
Knox surprises the world courtesy of Wash U 28-17
Monmouth gets Wartburg 35-34
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 01, 2010, 01:25:02 PM
Knoxontherise,

I love you standing behind your team and all, but I believe the Prarie Fire will be put out this Saturday, but just in your login name will soon rise but not this year... Overall I agree on all your picks except Knox, I think Lake Forest will sneak by Concorida (IL), Mac will get by Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 01, 2010, 01:35:38 PM
First there was talk of the rising Blu Boy Nation  ::).  Now Knox?! too much to handle.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
Hope springs eternal. Wait, that's baseball. Hope falls eternal, I guess, for football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 01, 2010, 04:03:01 PM
I predict that Monmouth and Knox will go into the Turkey Bowl with mirror-like unblemished records.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 01, 2010, 04:34:49 PM
We even talked about making a raid the night before and weld that thing shut. But decided to let our defense take the responsibility of keeping it quiet.  ::)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 01, 2010, 04:57:47 PM

bagpipes I can stand. but Men in Plaid Skirts and that dang cannon. Those 2 things make me cringe. That skirt thing just ain't right scottie.

SNCDAD this is something we definitely agree on. That @#$* cannon.  >:( My head was pounding and my hearing was shot for three weeks after the the St. Norbert game last year. That thing went off so many times that game that they ran out of powder for the remaining home games.  Good thing too with the IC game that followed. I'm sure my hearing loss would have been permanent after that one.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 01, 2010, 05:39:29 PM
If you don't like the cannon, don't let them score.  Unfortunately for the dogs of greater Warren County, it seems like the Good Guys have been the Shock-and-Awe Scots since sncoldad was driving sncolson to JFL practice. 

R E A D Y . . . . . . C L E A R . . . . . .K A B O O O O O O O O O O O M ! ! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 02, 2010, 01:32:16 AM
I'm pretty sure our cannon is louder than your cannon -- at least it's more well known from coast to coast -- just ask the Wesley coaches and team!!  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 02, 2010, 08:28:11 AM
Big Deal Bo Blow. Your's might be more well known and louder but ours is bigger!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 02, 2010, 08:50:01 AM
Hello Monmouth fans.  Welcome to Wartburg.  I hope you enjoy your trip over to Iowa.

I'm concerned about this game for two reasons: 
Obviously the Knights need to figure out how to contain Mr. Tanney.  They could only do that for one half in 2008 and that was with an experienced defense.  With several key losses on the defensive side of the ball after the 2009 season, a less experienced team than the 2008 group may have their hands full. 
Secondly, the students aren't back to campus yet.  This could well lessen the home field advantage for the Knights.  I hope there is still a large raucous crowd on the Wartburg side of the field.

Stop by and say hello prior to the game.  Our small tailgate event will have a Monmouth fan or two present so all are welcome. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 02, 2010, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 02, 2010, 08:28:11 AM
Big Deal Bo Blow. Your's might be more well known and louder but ours is bigger!

Bo Blow  ??? ?? Clever come-back.  ::) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightintitan2006 on September 02, 2010, 10:00:21 AM
Pat,

If you are making the trip over to De Pere, plan a dinner stop at Victoria's in Appleton and check out Lawrence's football stadium, the Banta Bowl.  I haven't been there in a few years and the last time I was there it was showing its age, but it is an awesome and unique venue.

It replaced Loras' Rock Bowl as my favorite D3 football venue after my first trip there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 02, 2010, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 02, 2010, 08:28:11 AM
Big Deal Bo Blow. Your's might be more well known and louder but ours is bigger!

Bo Blow  ??? ?? Clever come-back.  ::) 

You beat me to it.  What are we? 8th graders?  It's right up there with "Blue Balls"... ::) Please...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 02, 2010, 01:12:41 PM
Not that it matters but we actually have three different cannons that are used.  Though I don't know how big any of them are compared to any others.  All of them make a pretty loud KABOOM.    :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 01, 2010, 01:35:38 PM
First there was talk of the rising Blu Boy Nation  ::).  Now Knox?! too much to handle.

Brief story...  Last year going into the HS season, there was a school here named Klein Oak.  They were ranked #56 in the country (for whatever that's worth), expected to dominate District 13-5A (arguably one of the tougher 5A districts in the state).  They swarmed and attacked, w/o mercy, the 5ATexasfootball.com/13-5A thread.  Any suggestion by posters supporting other teams, that they would even compete w/ the mighty "Oakies", brought only ridicule and an orchestrated beat down.  Some of y'all may have even seen Oak take on a California team at Jerry World in their season opener.  It was brutal.  Oak was destroyed in front of a national TV audience.  The following week, the Oakies continued to assault the board with no less arrogance.  Their mantra was that California team was a stacked private school powerhouse.  It was only one game.  Blah, blah, blah...  Any suggestion that the district title might be open for competition was dismissed in short order.  4 of 5 posts would be from the Oakies and they were all-the-more arrogant and overconfident.  They played a decent Cy-Creek team (a heavy underdog at the time) the next Friday night.  They got their arse's kicked in a display which could only be described as a complete intellectual meltdown.  Suddenly, their presence on the 13-5A board began to rapidly drop off.  Those that did remain, appeared to be in search of sympathy.  None was to be found.  2 weeks later, my son QB'd his Klein team to a victory over Oak, making them 0-4,   When the season came to a close, and they failed to make the playoffs (4 teams from each district make playoffs), you couldn't find an Oakie on the board, anywhere.  But prior to their exit, they made the board less fun than it could have been.

All I'm sayin' is don't be so dismissive of possibility.  Because the fall from grace can be less than pretty.  And know this, WHEN it happens, arrogance is not forgotten. This day comes to us all.  Can't say when, but win with the same grace as you lose.  Knox fans, keep it coming.  Call your friends at Lake Forest, Carroll, Grinnell, Lawrence, and Beloit (never mind.  Already hearing plenty from the one Beloit booster), ;) and tell them to get in on it.  But please, don't back off.  The posters with game will appreciate you.  I for one, want to see you keep bringing it.  As for your suggestion that IC will get a donkey stompin'  ;) from Millikin this weekend.  We'll settle that when we meet in J-ville this season and we make you the main course at our homecoming feast!   ;D

Lastly, arrogance should be reserved as the domain of someone who has at least won a conference title in the last 9 years.  Don't you think?

Blueboy Nation is on the rise!  I'm just carryin' the flag!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 02, 2010, 01:33:18 PM
As most of you probably know, all MWC home games should be broadcast here: http://www.pennatlantic.com/main.php?tableName=event&fileName=results&recordId=&module=event-results&orderBy=&searchIt=yes&sport=0&month=0&day=01&year=2009&conferenceId=36&schoolId=0

Though this might be useful for some of the new guys, especially blu, who lives miles away. I heard that there might be some trouble with Week 1 games, but we'll see. Good luck to everyone.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 01:37:18 PM
Seriously, THANKS!  You read my mind.  I was literally about to post and ask for direction on that very subject. It's almost wierd...  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 01:53:32 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 01, 2010, 01:35:38 PM
First there was talk of the rising Blu Boy Nation  ::).  Now Knox?! too much to handle.

All I'm sayin' is don't be so dismissive of possibility.  Because the fall from grace can be less than pretty.  And know this, WHEN it happens, arrogance is not forgotten. This day comes to us all.  Can't say when, but win with the same grace as you lose.  Knox fans, keep it coming.  Call your friends at Lake Forest, Carroll, Grinnell, Lawrence, and Beloit (never mind.  Already hearing plenty from the one Beloit booster), ;) and tell them to get in on it.  But please, don't back off.  The posters with game will appreciate you.  I for one, want to see you keep bringing it.  As for your suggestion that IC will get a donkey stompin'  ;) from Millikin this weekend.  We'll settle that when we meet in J-ville this season and we make you the main course at our homecoming feast!   ;D

Lastly, arrogance should be reserved as the domain of someone who has at least won a conference title in the last 9 years.  Don't you think?

Blueboy Nation is on the rise!  I'm just carryin' the flag!

Blu I applaud you on taking that post well out of context, and for giving us a texas football message board sob story.  I have never posted out of arrogance (except maybe towards lawrence, but hey a rival is a rival).  We've never had a Knox poster on here so some playful banter was in order.

And I think talk of winning conference titles should be reserved to a school that has atleast one championship  :P

Try not to assume arrogance next time as none is intended
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 02:06:57 PM
Next time i should use more  :) ;) :D ;D :o ::) :P to display my intentions on the post  ;) :P :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2010, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 01, 2010, 01:35:38 PM
First there was talk of the rising Blu Boy Nation  ::).  Now Knox?! too much to handle.

Agreed.  If IC has a hill to climb in order to get there, then Knox has a mountain.  ;)

Quote from: Moncolfan on September 01, 2010, 04:57:47 PM

bagpipes I can stand. but Men in Plaid Skirts and that dang cannon. Those 2 things make me cringe. That skirt thing just ain't right scottie.

SNCDAD this is something we definitely agree on. That @#$* cannon.  >:( My head was pounding and my hearing was shot for three weeks after the the St. Norbert game last year. That thing went off so many times that game that they ran out of powder for the remaining home games.  Good thing too with the IC game that followed. I'm sure my hearing loss would have been permanent after that one.



Disagreed on this one.  I love that cannon, even if it does scare the s**t out of me on that first blast at each game.  :D

Quote from: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 02:06:57 PM
Next time i should use more  :) ;) :D ;D :o ::) :P to display my intentions on the post  ;) :P :D

And lastly, agreed on this one...especially since that's what former Redhawk Steve Kohl would've done over on the basketball boards--right scottie?! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2010, 02:32:16 PM
We have developed all this incredible technology. email, cell phones, text messages, twitter, and on and on. But we have grossly failed in one area.

We have not invented a FONT for SARCASM!

:'(  :-\  :-[  ???  :o  >:(  ;)



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2010, 02:41:13 PM
Scottie thinks that Blu is just trying to get fans of some of the traditional bottom feeders on the board so that he can assert his arrogance onto them!
   :) s  ;) a  :D r  ;D c  :o a  ::) s  :-* m  :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
It would be great to get some Knox posters on here so we could have some triple option talk going  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 03:12:21 PM
Nah, I just want someone who I can take shots at! ;D 

Honestly, when I went back and read Red's original post I realized I took a bit of a detour!  I haven't slept for 2 nights and just got back from the doctor.  Massive upper respiratory infection.  I'm on about 8 different meds.  Red's not the only person I've been short with.  Starting to feel a little better, now.  My posts should improve as more meds begin taking effect.  Can I call for a group hug?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
There's probably a "too much hot air" joke in there somewhere, but I won't kick a bludad when he's down.   ;D   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on September 02, 2010, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 01, 2010, 01:35:38 PM
First there was talk of the rising Blu Boy Nation  ::).  Now Knox?! too much to handle.

Brief story...  Last year going into the HS season, there was a school here named Klein Oak.  They were ranked #56 in the country (for whatever that's worth), expected to dominate District 13-5A (arguably one of the tougher 5A districts in the state).  They swarmed and attacked, w/o mercy, the 5ATexasfootball.com/13-5A thread.  Any suggestion by posters supporting other teams, that they would even compete w/ the mighty "Oakies", brought only ridicule and an orchestrated beat down.  Some of y'all may have even seen Oak take on a California team at Jerry World in their season opener.  It was brutal.  Oak was destroyed in front of a national TV audience.  The following week, the Oakies continued to assault the board with no less arrogance.  Their mantra was that California team was a stacked private school powerhouse.  It was only one game.  Blah, blah, blah...  Any suggestion that the district title might be open for competition was dismissed in short order.  4 of 5 posts would be from the Oakies and they were all-the-more arrogant and overconfident.  They played a decent Cy-Creek team (a heavy underdog at the time) the next Friday night.  They got their arse's kicked in a display which could only be described as a complete intellectual meltdown.  Suddenly, their presence on the 13-5A board began to rapidly drop off.  Those that did remain, appeared to be in search of sympathy.  None was to be found.  2 weeks later, my son QB'd his Klein team to a victory over Oak, making them 0-4,   When the season came to a close, and they failed to make the playoffs (4 teams from each district make playoffs), you couldn't find an Oakie on the board, anywhere.  But prior to their exit, they made the board less fun than it could have been.

All I'm sayin' is don't be so dismissive of possibility.  Because the fall from grace can be less than pretty.  And know this, WHEN it happens, arrogance is not forgotten. This day comes to us all.  Can't say when, but win with the same grace as you lose.  Knox fans, keep it coming.  Call your friends at Lake Forest, Carroll, Grinnell, Lawrence, and Beloit (never mind.  Already hearing plenty from the one Beloit booster), ;) and tell them to get in on it.  But please, don't back off.  The posters with game will appreciate you.  I for one, want to see you keep bringing it.  As for your suggestion that IC will get a donkey stompin'  ;) from Millikin this weekend.  We'll settle that when we meet in J-ville this season and we make you the main course at our homecoming feast!   ;D

Lastly, arrogance should be reserved as the domain of someone who has at least won a conference title in the last 9 years.  Don't you think?

Blueboy Nation is on the rise!  I'm just carryin' the flag!

don't know if you know it, but nice civil war reference about carrying the flag, and the blue boy history
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 04:18:16 PM
All part of the plan, my friend!

To that end, the hardest thing there was to turn down at MC, was the bagpipe procession we were told about.  I thought that was really cool. I haven't broached the subject with the powers to be at IC, and at the risk of seeming copy-cat, but I think it'd be cool to have a civil war drum procession leading the Blueboys into battle. 

I'm really big on that stuff.  My pee-wee's are proceeded by O Fortuna before they're announced.  Pretty dramatic for kids.  Then I go old school on them with Metalica, AC/DC, GNR, and all the good stuff.  No rap!  And I've threatened the PA guys with their lives if they play "Who let the dogs out?"  They sometimes do it just to mess with me. 

This brings an interesting topic.  What are some of the best team intro's and music y'all have seen/heard?  Other than the pipes at the school up north,  ;) are there any others that are worth catching?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
The best part of the Monmouth bagpipers is most of them standing around before they march having a cigarette or 2.  :P

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on September 02, 2010, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 04:18:16 PM
I'm really big on that stuff.  My pee-wee's are proceeded by O Fortuna before they're announced.  Pretty dramatic for kids.  Then I go old school on them with Metalica, AC/DC, GNR, and all the good stuff.  No rap!  And I've threatened the PA guys with their lives if they play "Who let the dogs out?"  They sometimes do it just to mess with me. 

Question: How important is football in Texas?

Answer: PA announcers and intro music for pee-wees.

Around here our pee-wees play in crappy city parks with faint chalk lines and no bleachers. Want to sit down? Bring a folding chair.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 02, 2010, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on September 02, 2010, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 04:18:16 PM
I'm really big on that stuff.  My pee-wee's are proceeded by O Fortuna before they're announced.  Pretty dramatic for kids.  Then I go old school on them with Metalica, AC/DC, GNR, and all the good stuff.  No rap!  And I've threatened the PA guys with their lives if they play "Who let the dogs out?"  They sometimes do it just to mess with me. 

Question: How important is football in Texas?

Answer: PA announcers and intro music for pee-wees.

Around here our pee-wees play in crappy city parks with faint chalk lines and no bleachers. Want to sit down? Bring a folding chair.

I played a sophomore high school game in a park where the cross bar on the goalposts was a metal chain
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 05:36:09 PM
Okay, you're gonna think I'm making this up, but I'm not.  I've been coaching 15 years.  My kid played 1 for me.  I'm a head coach.  You almost have to be willed the position.  Our club has (4) teams.  Teams range in age from 8-12 (3rd to 6th grade).

Games are played in middle school fields with press boxes, score board, PA systems, and the whole thing.  These stadiums are bigger than most of the D3 schools we visited (but not the ones we saw in the MWC).  Our Super Bowl is held at the HS field with field turf, jumbotron, 2 tier glass press boxes, etc.  Regular season games have an average attendance of about 200-250.  Super Bowl, 400+ (I'd guess).  In all games, we do the national anthem and announce our players individually as the run through the tunnel of (8-12 year old) cheer leaders (who perform at halftime).   ::)

Now here's the kicker.  We film games.  Both our own, and our next week's opponent.  I'm pretty gung-ho, but even I say that's over the top.  In fact, I don't watch it.  I let my OC, DC, and (4) assistants do that. 

Yeah, I guess you could say we take it serious.  I'm not always proud of it.  But I can tell you that watching a 5A Texas HS football game is an experience every amature football fan should try to have.  It's a brand of ball like very few.  Our stadium holds 10K+.  And it gets full.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
It would be great to get some Knox posters on here so we could have some triple option talk going  ;D

Triple option???  OMG!  Then again, it probably doesn't look that out of place with those leather helmets and all.  Would somebody please notify them that it's 2010.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 02, 2010, 05:43:38 PM
I watch a portion of Trinity Tx vs. Tyler Lee Texas on ESPN last night.  Huge crowd, two-thirds of the players with D1 scholarships.  
As I kid I played football with two tin cans marking the goal posts and you had to kick the ball at least three branches high in a tree for the extra point to count.  A bush on one end and clothes line pole on the other marked the goal lines.    
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2010, 06:16:34 PM
By post #200, and I'm confident you will be there soon, I hope the discussion is firmly in the IC/MWC/DIII genre and we can forget about the Texas Board of Tourism jibber-jabber.   It :) was ;) charming :D at ;D first....but >:( starting :( to :o get ::) a :-X tad :'( disturbing. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 02, 2010, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 02, 2010, 10:00:21 AM
Pat,

If you are making the trip over to De Pere, plan a dinner stop at Victoria's in Appleton and check out Lawrence's football stadium, the Banta Bowl.  I haven't been there in a few years and the last time I was there it was showing its age, but it is an awesome and unique venue.

It replaced Loras' Rock Bowl as my favorite D3 football venue after my first trip there.


There is a high school game at the Banta Bowl Friday night, so it would be an opportunity!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
scottie, Love your sarcasm......but way too much work.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 06:25:04 PM
My son's team knocked Tyler Lee out of the playoffs last year.  East Texas football is a whole other brand of football.  They're serious!  They're passionate.  We suffer here because we're one of four Klein ISD schools.  Meaning that there's not the same sense of ownership that you get with schools that are "the" school for the town.  That's the most fun to watch.  

A couple more little anecdotes...  Our marching band is over 400.  It has it's own custom painted 18 wheel trailer to transport its gear.  It's an impressive show, but to me, halftime is just a 30 minute interuption to a football game.  Cost for tickets $7.  

Don't even get me started on a UT game. Now that's something!  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 06:33:38 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 02, 2010, 06:16:34 PM
By post #200, and I'm confident you will be there soon, I hope the discussion is firmly in the IC/MWC/DIII genre and we can forget about the Texas Board of Tourism jibber-jabber.   It :) was ;) charming :D at ;D first....but >:( starting :( to :o get ::) a :-X tad :'( disturbing.  

I'm :D sorry >:( for :o my :D attempts :-\ to :-[ share :o a ;) (oh, screw it!) little of my culture with you.  Please, regail me with your stories about cheese, corn fields, soy beans, and men ith small cannons wearing skirts :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 06:48:50 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
It would be great to get some Knox posters on here so we could have some triple option talk going  ;D

Triple option???  OMG!  Then again, it probably doesn't look that out of place with those leather helmets and all.  Would somebody please notify them that it's 2010.  ;D

Hey if it aint broke dont fix it right.?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 06:58:46 PM
I guess everyone has different versions of "working"...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 07:23:11 PM
A record of 34-11 (with a 5-4 record the first year in 2005 :-\) running it works for me atleast  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2010, 07:33:45 PM
That is pretty impressive.  ::)

This was taken from the SNC Press release for this weekends game.

St. Norbert coach Jim Purtill  is 100-17 entering his
12th season in De Pere.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

But no triple option please.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
That would be a strong case for, 'if it aint broke, dont fix it'
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2010, 10:27:30 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
scottie, Love your sarcasm......but way too much work.  ;D

Thanks, DAD.  That one probably goes into Scottie's all-time Top 10.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 02, 2010, 10:45:28 PM
I think I was much safer when people though SNCOLDAD stood for SNC Old Athletic Director!    ;D


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on September 02, 2010, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
It would be great to get some Knox posters on here so we could have some triple option talk going  ;D

Triple option???  OMG!  Then again, it probably doesn't look that out of place with those leather helmets and all.  Would somebody please notify them that it's 2010.  ;D

2 words Georgia Tech! I love watching them play even with the leather helmets
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on September 02, 2010, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 02, 2010, 07:23:11 PM
A record of 34-11 (with a 5-4 record the first year in 2005 :-\) running it works for me atleast  ;)

Great offense to be sure, the run and shoot, Mouse Davis' invention, is an offshoot of this quality offense. My 11 year old son is facing it this weekend and his coach called it, "that gay double wing".  I had to explain to him how wrong his coach was.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 03, 2010, 08:24:04 AM
Wow! I think its good that the season is about to start so we can really have something to talk about. First of all my deepest and sincerest apologies to BoBo for calling him Bo Blow about (his now obvious to me serious contention) that there is a cannon that is louder than Monmouth's. I guess I will have to ask someone from Wesley. It was just a feeble attempt at a little humor as was my response that ours was still bigger.  Now can whoever took my two Karma points please give me them back. I also just want to clarify for the record that I am actually in different to Monmouth's cannon.  I was just trying to rib SNCDAD back for him referring to plaid skirts and the cannon. I think he got the barb, but Blu obviously was too upset about my name calling to finish reading the post to get the jab I took at IC.  My feelings are really hurt Blu because I am one who has has welcomed you with open arms here, even making a bet with you that I know I have no realistic chance winning JUST so I can have the privilege of tailgaiting with you. Finally Mr. Warthog I will graciously accept your offer to visit your tailgating section tomorrow before the game.  Where will u be?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 03, 2010, 08:41:46 AM
A noticeable chill in the air this morning signals the arrival of football season. Unfortunately the Bucs play under the lights so I will miss that one. Could this be the Carroll-North Park game of this year ? ? ? I hope not or Beloit may be in for a long season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 03, 2010, 10:29:59 AM
Picks for Week 1:

Ripon over WLC
Lakeland over Carroll
Grinnell over Macalester
Concordia (Ill) over Lake Forest
IC over Millikin
St. Thomas over SNC
St. Scholastica over Larry U
Beloit over Chicago
Washington (MO) over Knox
Monmouth over Wartburg

MWC going 5-5 in the opening weekend.  Not sure if my picks will all be right, but I think we'll still go 5-5 as a conference
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 03, 2010, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 06:58:46 PM
I guess everyone has different versions of "working"...

Really?  I guess you should make the trip to the IC vs. RC game this year?  Check out and see how well IC "stops" the Option (I promise to sit with you and explain where the ball actually is ;))..  I guess :working" doesn't include having one of the top offenceses in the conference for the last 6 years?!  Maybe we should "change it" so that we can partcipate at IC, Knox, LU, level.  I mean if the top of the conference would "change" then IC might have a change..  I now see what BLU has planned...  Genious!   :P

This is going to be my favorite year yet on this board.  "You're my BOY, BLU" (Great Movie)

Safe Travels to all and good luck to the MWC tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 03, 2010, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 03, 2010, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 06:58:46 PM
I guess everyone has different versions of "working"...

Really?  I guess you should make the trip to the IC vs. RC game this year?  Check out and see how well IC "stops" the Option (I promise to sit with you and explain where the ball actually is ;))..  I guess :working" doesn't include having one of the top offenceses in the conference for the last 6 years?!  Maybe we should "change it" so that we can partcipate at IC, Knox, LU, level.  I mean if the top of the conference would "change" then IC might have a change..  I now see what BLU has planned...  Genious!   :P

This is going to be my favorite year yet on this board.  "You're my BOY, BLU" (Great Movie)

Safe Travels to all and good luck to the MWC tomorrow.

I guess :working" also doesnt include having spell check   :)

but thats probably coming with the invention of sarcastic fonts... :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 03, 2010, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 02, 2010, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: fightintitan2006 on September 02, 2010, 10:00:21 AM
Pat,

If you are making the trip over to De Pere, plan a dinner stop at Victoria's in Appleton and check out Lawrence's football stadium, the Banta Bowl.  I haven't been there in a few years and the last time I was there it was showing its age, but it is an awesome and unique venue.

It replaced Loras' Rock Bowl as my favorite D3 football venue after my first trip there.


There is a high school game at the Banta Bowl Friday night, so it would be an opportunity!


Silly Appleton West....

When I was at LU I think that was the only team that lost more games in the Banta Bowl then Lawrence did.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 03, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
All I have to say about Lawrence football is that there is no better mantra then the old classic used upon the Vikings opponents:

"That's alright, that's Ok, you're gonna work for us some day!"

Better Dead Than Red!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2010, 02:17:26 PM
Picks for Week 1:

Carroll @ Lakeland - Carroll
Macalester @ Grinnell - Grinnell
Concordia (IL) @ Lake Forest - Lake Forest
Wisconsin Lutheran @ Ripon - Ripon
Millikin @ Illinois C. - Millikin
Lawrence @ St. Scholastica - St. Scholastica
St. Thomas @ St. Norbert - St. Thomas
Chicago @ Beloit - Chicago
Knox @ Washington - Washington
Monmouth @ Wartburg - Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 03, 2010, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 03, 2010, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 03, 2010, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 02, 2010, 06:58:46 PM
I guess everyone has different versions of "working"...

Really?  I guess you should make the trip to the IC vs. RC game this year?  Check out and see how well IC "stops" the Option (I promise to sit with you and explain where the ball actually is ;))..  I guess :working" doesn't include having one of the top offenceses in the conference for the last 6 years?!  Maybe we should "change it" so that we can partcipate at IC, Knox, LU, level.  I mean if the top of the conference would "change" then IC might have a change..  I now see what BLU has planned...  Genious!   :P

This is going to be my favorite year yet on this board.  "You're my BOY, BLU" (Great Movie)

Safe Travels to all and good luck to the MWC tomorrow.

I guess :working" also doesnt include having spell check   :)

but thats probably coming with the invention of sarcastic fonts... :D

Can't we just stop this red on red violence???????  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 03, 2010, 03:06:36 PM
no more friendly fire ;)

RIPON COLLEGE FOOTBALL: "The Best Option"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2010, 06:10:18 PM
Picks for Week 1:

Carroll @ Lakeland - Carroll
Macalester @ Grinnell - Grinnell
Concordia (IL) @ Lake Forest - Lake Forest
Wisconsin Lutheran @ Ripon - Ripon
Millikin @ Illinois C. - Millikin
Lawrence @ St. Scholastica - Lawremce
St. Thomas @ St. Norbert - St. Thomas
Chicago @ Beloit - Beloit
Knox @ Washington - Washington
Monmouth @ Wartburg - Wartburg

I'm hoping for some stadium magic against the Tommies, but...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 03, 2010, 10:23:14 PM
Good luck tomorrow (and tomorrow night!!) to the MWC!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 03, 2010, 10:48:16 PM
Picks for Week 1:

Carroll @ Lakeland - Lakeland

Macalester @ Grinnell - Macalester

Concordia (IL) @ Lake Forest - Lake Forest

Wisconsin Lutheran @ Ripon - Ripon -Ugly quick-

Millikin @ Illinois C. - Millikin -Heart breaker for IC-

Lawrence @ St. Scholastica - Lawrence -Big-

St. Thomas @ St. Norbert - St. Thomas -Big-

Chicago @ Beloit - Beloit -Big-

Knox @ Washington - Washington -Big-

Monmouth @ Wartburg - Wartburg.  Just hope we dont get out coached in the last 1:49.  I'm still angry about that one....

MWC - 4-5.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on September 04, 2010, 12:14:51 AM
Hey blue good luck after tomorrow, Keep up the good work here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 04, 2010, 07:54:36 AM
3 Dads....3 Moms.......No Sleep........LET'S PLAY SOME FOOTBALL!

Way too anxious



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 04, 2010, 10:33:14 AM
Well let the tail-gating begin.  Oh & lets watch some football too. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 01:07:23 PM
Made into the stadium lot just before they closed the gates (for cars) at noon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 04, 2010, 01:36:45 PM
Go to www.pennatlantic.com for the games. I think the link I gave before was old.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 02:08:22 PM
It's gonna be a long day in De Pere. UST's offense line is huge and dominating. (Sighs)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 02:11:04 PM
UST opens with a 5:21 drive. Missed EXP. 6-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Big punt return by UST sets up TD. 13-0 with 4:24 left in first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 04, 2010, 02:35:01 PM
Ripon up 3-0 on WLC
CUC up 10-0 on LFC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 02:51:09 PM
INT return for TD - 23 yards. Now 20-0 UST with 8:39 left first half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 03:11:01 PM
SNC puts together a drive after a lineman makes an INT. Now 20-7 just before the half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 04, 2010, 03:40:08 PM
Ripon TO to start second half. WLC capitalizes 13-7 now.
CUC up 24-3 on LFC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 03:50:45 PM
Another SNC mistake becomes UST int, which leads to FG. 23-7.

On the plus side the bathrooms are very nice and (like everything else here) makes me not miss Minahan.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 04, 2010, 03:59:16 PM
Ripon 20 - WL - 7

Any IC score? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 04:12:31 PM
More SNC mistakes. 1st and goal at 9 becomes 4th and 20 - and SNC doesn't score. Punt miscue gives UST ball on SNC 33. Ugh.

23-7 with 1:14 left in 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 04:19:09 PM
UST QB runs it in from 7yrd out for TD. Now 30-7 with 14:17 left.

The rout is on...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 04:22:26 PM
And insult to injury - UST onside kick...   
Let's play hockey
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 04:29:15 PM
Big punt return sets up Tommies TD. 37-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 04:43:21 PM
42yd FG into the breeze for UST. 40-7 with 4:08 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 04:51:42 PM
Carroll wins 35-21.

UST wins 40-7. OL/DL lines dominate for the Tommies.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 04, 2010, 05:16:23 PM
Ripon Wins 20-10(i think)...  Not a great showing for Ripon, however a Win is a Win and the young QB got his first taste of a full game....  How did the rest do?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 04, 2010, 05:40:17 PM
From the Midwest Conference website...

Grinnell 45 - Macalester 35
Concordia (IL) 52 - Lake Forest 23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 04, 2010, 06:18:23 PM
Added to the Midwest Conference website...

Millikin 42 - Illinois C. 31
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 04, 2010, 09:31:05 PM
Any word from the GOW?

Scottie/car/bberry
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 04, 2010, 09:34:05 PM
13-0 Wartburg 5-6 minutes into the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 04, 2010, 09:38:42 PM
Did Tanney break a leg or something?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2010, 09:51:23 PM
I don't think so they just said he was in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 04, 2010, 09:54:16 PM
Wartburg is getting a lot of pressure on Tanney and it looks like he is a little shell shocked.  He has no time to set up so he just keeps dumping little 5 yard passes that fall incomplete as often as someone makes a reception and only gets 3-4 yards on the play.  

Tanney is 18-27-1 92 yards.  Total offense 102 yards for Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 04, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
31 yd TD run for Wartburg ... leading 20-0 Knights after a fumble recovery at the Monmouth 41.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 04, 2010, 10:04:29 PM
Monmouth comes right back with a 60-yard scoring play ... 12 minutes to go ...
Wartburg leads 20-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 04, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
Final
St. Scholastica 31
Lawrence 24

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2010, 10:05:51 PM
That is crazy low scoring game and then 14 points in 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 04, 2010, 10:14:26 PM
Thanks for the updates. Might make back home for the very end of the game. Maybe a lst minute win for the Good Guys - for the sake of poetic justice. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
Don't hole your breath to much time remaining for that.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2010, 10:19:58 PM
Tanney just got sacked then a 2 yd run.  3rd and 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2010, 10:20:36 PM
Pick 6 for the Knights.  I think the fat lady just made her way on the stage. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 04, 2010, 10:21:05 PM
Wartburg just returned an interception with 4:22 to go ... leads 27-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 04, 2010, 10:32:25 PM
So much for pre-season rankings.  Monmouth loses ... Tanney looks like just another QB.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on September 04, 2010, 10:34:00 PM
Final 27-7 the Knights take the W
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2010, 10:36:41 PM
Beloits Pool C chances faded just as their lead did in the final minute. UC 28 BC 25. Kicking game, turn overs and preventing big plays aren't quite up to average yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 05, 2010, 09:20:26 AM
Ripon's offense is still finding its way.  The defense held them in the game, and if it weren't for a fumble on their own 17 yard line, the score couldve been lower.  Good to finally start the season with a win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 05, 2010, 05:48:10 PM
Very busy but wanted to at least put one comment out there. The Tommies are for real. There is no way I can say anything but compliment on them as a team. They have a lot of talent and will go VERY deep into the playoffs.

As all of you predicted, we got beat BIG!  No doubt about it. We made mistakes and they capitalized immediately on them.

Learn and move on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 05, 2010, 06:25:25 PM
WOW... MWC goes 3-7 in week one.  Never would of thought  that.

Monmouth loses & Tanney looks like just another QB.  Ouch!!!

Final 27-7 the Knights take the W...  They must of changed their mascots name in  the off-season to the Krypto-Knights and their DL's nickname must-be the BRICKWALL.   Net yards rushing +2.  OMG. 

Oh yea go back a couple pages I think I said something about that too. 
(No running game or OL)  Sure hope they can fix that before next week...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 05, 2010, 07:16:49 PM
MWC after week one.  ::o

                       Conf.           All
                        W-L Pct.    W-L    Pct. PF PA
Carroll              0-0 0.000  1-0 1.000 35 21
Grinnell             0-0 0.000  1-0 1.000 45 35
Ripon                0-0 0.000  1-0 1.000 20 10
Beloit                0-0 0.000  0-1 0.000 25 28
Illinois College  0-0 0.000  0-1 0.000 31 42
Knox                 0-0 0.000  0-1 0.000 3 34
Lake Forest      0-0 0.000  0-1 0.000 23 52
Lawrence         0-0 0.000  0-1 0.000 24 31
Monmouth        0-0 0.000  0-1 0.000 7 27
St. Norbert       0-0 0.000  0-1 0.000 7 40

Now the fun begins.




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Flynn on September 05, 2010, 08:01:10 PM
What happened to Caleb Pratt?  I just noticed he wasnt on the Monmouth roster.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 05, 2010, 08:26:11 PM
If I had to guess...  IMO...  He flunked out again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 05, 2010, 09:57:03 PM
Why I think Wartburg won the Knight/Fighting Scots match up:

Time of possession: Monmouth 22:05  Wartburg 37:55

As we saw in Monmouth's nine second touchdown drive.  You need to keep Tanney off the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 06, 2010, 02:31:56 PM
Millikin's RB (Wilson) was too much.  279 on 34 carries.  IC got down 21-0.  Put it together and tried to make a game of it after the rough start.  Just couldn't shut down Wilson.  All 2010 conference championship predictions remain in tact. ;)

But the good news, the news y'all really want to hear and discuss, is that IC won the JV game 16-14.  The kid threw a (1) TD pass, (1) 2 pt. conv., (1) INT.  Defense scored the other TD.  Hey, I learned my kid can kick too...  Who new?  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 07, 2010, 09:57:04 AM
Wow. Is it quiet out there. The MWC must be licking its wounds.  ???

If you look back at the posts, the only game that went waaaaay off from predictions was MC - Wartburg. It would have been nice to see SNC do a better showing, but the Tommies are a GOOD team. Period.

So on to conference play.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
Sorry for the silence....I have been in the hospital since Saturday night.  I busted my gut reading about Tanney being "just another quarterback" and just got released today.   :D ??? ::)

I didn't get to watch the game, but think I know what the problem was and the remedy will be.  When you graduate All-American OLs, there's bound to be some growing pains.  All will be well, and I expect we'll see arcade football at Bobby Woll Memorial Stadium soon.  However, it's hard to handicap the MWC right now with the top two programs taking their lumps in Week One.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 07, 2010, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
Sorry for the silence....I have been in the hospital since Saturday night.  I busted my gut reading about Tanney being "just another quarterback" and just got released today.   :D ??? ::)

I didn't get to watch the game, but think I know what the problem was and the remedy will be.  When you graduate All-American OLs, there's bound to be some growing pains.  All will be well, and I expect we'll see arcade football at Bobby Woll Memorial Stadium soon.  However, it's hard to handicap the MWC right now with the top two programs taking their lumps in Week One.   

I don't think its a ridiculous to say that right now Ripon is the top program in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 07, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
Hey it was a long weekend and I just got back home A couple of observations from the game. First of all the good news.  The defense played pretty well considering the amount of time they were on the field (especially in the second half) and the positions they were put in. Ya they gave up a few big plays but that was bound to happen given the position they were put in all night. (I don't believe MC had a first down the whole third quarter). They certainly played well enough to win the game.  As far as the offense goes it just seemed like anything that could go wrong did. Yes the offensive line some protection problems and failing to covert on two 3rd and ones were killers but they weren't responsible for the fumbles, or the interceptions (one which should have been caught- the other was tipped), or a couple of poorly thrown balls (yes he was hurried on some).  it just seemed the timing was off all around and when they did have the opportunity to score they just didn't do it. Credit Wartburg too! They played well and what impressed me the most was their tackling and not giving up any yards after short receptions.  It seems like in our conference at least a couple of those short gainers a game turn into long gains. Anyway I look for the o-line to hopefully gain a little experience and confidence in the next few games.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 07, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Hey Knox if you want to say that in your opinion Ripon is now the favorite in the MWC fine. (Which I think is still a bit premature) But to say they are the top program isn't only ridiculous it is ludicrous. Are you basing this on the fact that they finally started the season 1-0 for the first time in how many years? Wouldn't they have to win the conference at least once in the past 5 years to be the best program in the conference? Or at the very least win a conference game first. I guess using your logic Ripon has a better program than Steven's Point too!. Jeez if Whitewater would have only won 20-11 Ripon would have the best program in Wisconsin! Then again if you think Knox is on the rise how serious should I be taking you?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 07, 2010, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 07, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Hey Knox if you want to say that in your opinion Ripon is now the favorite in the MWC fine. (Which I think is still a bit premature) But to say they are the top program isn't only ridiculous it is ludicrous. Are you basing this on the fact that they finally started the season 1-0 for the first time in how many years? Wouldn't they have to win the conference at least once in the past 5 years to be the best program in the conference? Or at the very least win a conference game first. I guess using your logic Ripon has a better program than Steven's Point too!. Jeez if Whitewater would have only won 20-11 Ripon would have the best program in Wisconsin! Then again if you think Knox is on the rise how serious should I be taking you?

You're not going to see any arguments here  ;D

An unusual look to the top of the standing after week 1.  I'm sure it felt good to work out the kinks against a Wisconsin Lutheran team compared to a UW school. 

Sidenote: Checking out Ripon's former non-conference opponent (UW-O) it looks like they have the hardest schedule in the nation by far this year (#1 UWW, #2 MU, #7 Central, and then the rest of the WIAC  :-\)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 07, 2010, 04:53:36 PM
River Falls (#11 Ohio Northern, #5 St Thomas, #17 Trine, #1 WW and then the rest of the WIAC) is no piece of cake either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 07, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Hey Knox if you want to say that in your opinion Ripon is now the favorite in the MWC fine. (Which I think is still a bit premature) But to say they are the top program isn't only ridiculous it is ludicrous. Are you basing this on the fact that they finally started the season 1-0 for the first time in how many years? Wouldn't they have to win the conference at least once in the past 5 years to be the best program in the conference? Or at the very least win a conference game first. I guess using your logic Ripon has a better program than Steven's Point too!. Jeez if Whitewater would have only won 20-11 Ripon would have the best program in Wisconsin! Then again if you think Knox is on the rise how serious should I be taking you?

Easy there, Tiger....  I'm sure that KnoxOnTheRise was just trying to get a, um, rise out of you.  He just forgot the clever emoticon to top it off..... :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 07, 2010, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 07, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Hey Knox if you want to say that in your opinion Ripon is now the favorite in the MWC fine. (Which I think is still a bit premature) But to say they are the top program isn't only ridiculous it is ludicrous. Are you basing this on the fact that they finally started the season 1-0 for the first time in how many years? Wouldn't they have to win the conference at least once in the past 5 years to be the best program in the conference? Or at the very least win a conference game first. I guess using your logic Ripon has a better program than Steven's Point too!. Jeez if Whitewater would have only won 20-11 Ripon would have the best program in Wisconsin! Then again if you think Knox is on the rise how serious should I be taking you?

Dang, boy! Sprinkle a little powder on that.  Helps the stinging go away...  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on September 07, 2010, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 07, 2010, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 07, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Hey Knox if you want to say that in your opinion Ripon is now the favorite in the MWC fine. (Which I think is still a bit premature) But to say they are the top program isn't only ridiculous it is ludicrous. Are you basing this on the fact that they finally started the season 1-0 for the first time in how many years? Wouldn't they have to win the conference at least once in the past 5 years to be the best program in the conference? Or at the very least win a conference game first. I guess using your logic Ripon has a better program than Steven's Point too!. Jeez if Whitewater would have only won 20-11 Ripon would have the best program in Wisconsin! Then again if you think Knox is on the rise how serious should I be taking you?

Dang, boy! Sprinkle a little powder on that.  Helps the stinging go away...  ;)

I thought powder just helped chub rub? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 07, 2010, 08:46:41 PM
Not really sure what a chub rub is.  But then again, a month ago I didn't know what a cheese curd was.  Just recalling what we sprinkled on the kids hind parts when they were chapped... ;D


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 07, 2010, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
I busted my gut reading about Tanney being "just another quarterback" and just got released today.   :D ??? ::)

I didn't get to watch the game, but think I know what the problem was and the remedy will be.    

...IMO the problem was a strong opponent who didn't back down and Monmouth not knowing how to play from behind. The remedy will be equal helpings of Beloit College, Lawrence, Knox, etc. -- in other words, getting back to their own conference schedule!!   ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on September 07, 2010, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 07, 2010, 08:46:41 PM
Not really sure what a chub rub is.  But then again, a month ago I didn't know what a cheese curd was.  Just recalling what we sprinkled on the kids hind parts when they were chapped... ;D




thats Chub Rub! hot sweaty meaty football players get chub rub.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2010, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2010, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
I busted my gut reading about Tanney being "just another quarterback" and just got released today.   :D ??? ::)

I didn't get to watch the game, but think I know what the problem was and the remedy will be.    

...IMO the problem was a strong opponent who didn't back down and Monmouth not knowing how to play from behind. The remedy will be equal helpings of Beloit College, Lawrence, Knox, etc. -- in other words, getting back to their own conference schedule!!   ;)



Oh, Bobo, don't forget a heaping helping of IC Blu!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 07, 2010, 09:38:15 PM
Actually, I'm a believer in IC blu...the propaganda is very convincing!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 08, 2010, 10:36:42 AM
And don't forget Knox is on the rise. I'm glad Monmouth still has another 9 weeks or so to prepare for them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 08, 2010, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2010, 09:38:15 PM
Actually, I'm a believer in IC blu...the propaganda is very convincing!!  ;)

I don't know this propaganda of which you speak, but you're clearly a being of superior intelligence.   ;)

Now, on the straight up, I will conceed nothing to the boys in the plaid skirts this season. However, my real contention all along has been that in the coming years, as Campbell's recruiting classes and program take hold.  Then, well, let's just say there'll be an increased need for more of the aforementioned powder... I mean, all I'm sayin' is, well, if, y'know, one OOC loss brings that type of hostility from certain of their fans, toward a poster from a seemingly and historically less competitive in-conference program, and individual only wishing to say their program is "on the rise", what's the sandbox gonna be like when they have to share their toys??? ;D  (Please note use of emoticons)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 08, 2010, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 08, 2010, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: BoBo on September 07, 2010, 09:38:15 PM
Actually, I'm a believer in IC blu...the propaganda is very convincing!!  ;)

I don't know this propaganda of which you speak, but you're clearly a being of superior intelligence.   ;)

Now, on the straight up, I will conceed nothing to the boys in the plaid skirts this season. However, my real contention all along has been that in the coming years, as Campbell's recruiting classes and program take hold.  Then, well, let's just say there'll be an increased need for more of the aforementioned powder... I mean, all I'm sayin' is, well, if, y'know, one OOC loss brings that type of hostility from certain of their fans, toward a poster from a seemingly and historically less competitive in-conference program, and individual only wishing to say their program is "on the rise", what's the sandbox gonna be like when they have to share their toys??? ;D  (Please note use of emoticons)

Congrats, Blu!  I think you just won the award for Most Commas Ever Used In Once Sentence on the D3Boards.   You're my boy, Blu!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 08, 2010, 12:32:06 PM
Hello everyone, I'm new to posting, but have been reading them for 5 years.  Obviously, you can see where my loyalties are by my name.

I went to the Warburg game and what I saw was a team full of talent that doesn't know how to play together yet.  You had a quarterback that is used to throwing to 6 or 7 different recievers with confidence and now you only have two of those returning and one was out with a foot issue.  Its going to take a bit to get on the same page with this new team and when that does, we will see something similar to last year.

As for the comments on the line.  The line did fine.  Yeah...they didn't get two 3rd and 1s running, but how many times did we fail to complete short passes on the same short 3rd downs.  Monmouth getting 3rd and 1s has been a problem for 4 years.  Two years ago, they snuck one out against ripon after being 3rd and goal from the 1 three different times in the game and having to settle for kicking a fieldgoal each time.  Monmouths rushing attack was +2 on the day, but they didn't run the ball much and Tanney had 2 huge sacks where he tried to scramble around on roll out passes.  Get rid of the ball.  My point is, everyone made some mistakes. It was a team loss.

This team will be fine.  The next few weeks will be good games to get back to the norm going into Norby.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 08, 2010, 12:46:29 PM
Welcome Kilts! Just what we needed...  Another MC poster... ;)  Is there a Lake Forest or Larry in da house???  Keep 'em coming Kilts! 

Look Scottie!  No commas! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 08, 2010, 01:06:45 PM
Hey Blu,

I missed the first few weeks of posts.  Did you say that your son is the QB at IC, but was recruited by Monmouth.  And I am guessing from your other comments, that you are from Texas.  What division and where at in Texas?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 08, 2010, 01:26:48 PM
I've recently had restrictions placed on my ability to reference and discuss Texas.  It happens quite frequently when a Texan travels, or reaches out, to the other 49 states.  The other statest get tired of being reminded of Texas's vast superiority in all areas not involving cheese, corn, or soy beans.  (Actually, that may only be limited to cheese). ;D

My son is not "the" QB at IC, he is "a" QB at IC.  He is a freshman and hopes to compete for the job next season.  Naturally, I think he's got the stuff ;)

He played at Klein HS in Spring, (Texas).  District 13-5A. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 08, 2010, 03:12:31 PM
Wow. He accepted that Texas is a state and not an independent country.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 08, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
Ya know Roop, I noticed that also. And he didn't even say "Biggest State" .  Therapy must be working.  ;D

Roop, you in Beloit Saturday?


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 08, 2010, 04:07:18 PM
Looks like I have to change my airplane banner.....

A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  ( K I L T S  A N D ) B A G P I P E S ? ! ? ! ?  :)  ;)  :D  ;D (and no commas)                             , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Hey, you can't hold us down.  Go Blue!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 08, 2010, 05:33:23 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 08, 2010, 03:12:31 PM
Wow. He accepted that Texas is a state and not an independent country.  ;D
I have to for now, but efforts are underway... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 08, 2010, 05:36:46 PM
I certainly Hope so.    ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 08, 2010, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 08, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
Roop, you in Beloit Saturday?

Have been in Beloit all week and I've managed to dodge the rummage sale. Call or text when you get to town and I'll meet you at Schneider South for pre-game warm ups. Should I bring a spatula with me  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 08, 2010, 08:00:16 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 08, 2010, 04:07:18 PM
Looks like I have to change my airplane banner.....

A R E  Y O U  R E A D Y  F O R  S O M E  ( K I L T S  A N D ) B A G P I P E S ? ! ? ! ?  :)  ;)  :D  ;D (and no commas)                             , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Hey, you can't hold us down.  Go Blue!
I've got plane banner envy. I wish i could trade my extraordinary use of commas for your technical ability. I'd also like to put a picture and tag line with my posts. I guess life is just like that. Like I wish I was rich instead of so handsome and charming. Damn my misfortune!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 09, 2010, 09:31:50 AM
hello

If you want a banner to move.  You type [ move ]insert your message here[ /move ]

Leave the spaces out.  I just did that so it wouldn't move.

It's really simple
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 09, 2010, 09:41:14 AM
badgerhawk, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!

Isn't it bad enough having scottie do hie un-readable moving banners? Now you are training blu!!!

:-\  :'(  :o

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 09, 2010, 10:13:46 AM
Hey...its Thursday...lets start picking!!!!

Monmouth  42 Grinnell  6------------- Monmouth, IL 1:00:00 PM
Ripon 28  Lake Forest  7 --------------Ripon, Wis. 1:00:00 PM
Lawrence 21  Knox 14  -----------------Appleton, WI 1:00:00 PM
Beloit  7 St. Norbert  42---------------- Beloit, WI 1:00 p.m.
Carroll 30  Illinois College  28 ---------Waukesha, WI 1:00:00 PM

I think that Carroll/IC is the game of the week, followed closely by Larry and Knox.  I just don't think Larry/Knox will be the same quality football as Carroll/IC.  Monmouth and St. Norbert win big.  Ripon eats too much time off the clock or they probably win big too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 09, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
Monmouth  49 Grinnell  14 Grinnell actually puts 14 up on Monmouth
Ripon 35  Lake Forest  3 Ripon tears Lake Forest Apart
Lawrence 14  Knox 35   Knox actually puts 2 halves of football together
Beloit  21 St. Norbert  42 SNC soundly defeats Beloit
Carroll 35  Illinois College  32 Carrol breaks IC's heart
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 09, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
KnoxontheRise...it would be nice to see knox get an early one under their belt.  Make things more interesting in the conference if we had a knox or lawrence pick up their pace a little.  I just don't think that they can win that big against anyone.  They may win, but not by much.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 09, 2010, 11:37:05 AM
Monmouth 45 vs. Grinnell 10
Ripon 31 vs. Lake Forest 7
Lawrence 20.5 vs. Knox 20
Beloit 10 vs. SNC 38

Game of the Week:
Carroll 35  vs. IC 34


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 09, 2010, 12:48:22 PM
Sorry SNCOLDAD, it was still early and I wasn't thinking.

I'm not in your pickem but just for the hell of it I'm going to go out on a limb....

ILLINOIS COLLEGE 28 vs. Carroll UNIVERSITY 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 09, 2010, 12:49:35 PM
Lawrence needs to win Saturday, its at home, and it might be their only chance this year.

Wake me up when Basketball starts......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blueboy4life on September 09, 2010, 01:40:09 PM
So i graduated from IC many years ago. I still keep up with my boys i was never much of a football player. Great class GC brought in. I'm excited for years to come. I now live in Springfield Missouri. I recently decided to attend one of Mo State practices and guess who was on the field. IC rb from last year Demetrius Bayless. Looks like Mo State has worked him well because he was definitely a power runner last year with the blueboys but now he has some quickness and speed. i was wondering where the kid had went only being a frosh last year. I'm pretty sure he has to sit out next this year for transfer procedures. It saddens me to see him leave IC but at the same time he looks like a good fit for Mo State. Wish him the best of luck.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 09, 2010, 02:11:13 PM
Monmouth 52, Grinnell 14
Ripon 20, Lake Forest 3
Lawrence 17, Knox 7
SNC 28, Beloit 21 (this will be much closer than most people think)
Carroll 28, IC 24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 09, 2010, 10:01:01 PM
Monmouth 59 Grinnell 7
Ripon 28 Lake Forest 0
Knox 14 Lawrence 12
St. Norbert 24 Beloit 10
Carroll 35 Illinois College 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 10, 2010, 06:56:34 AM
Quote from: blueboy4life on September 09, 2010, 01:40:09 PM
So i graduated from IC many years ago. I still keep up with my boys i was never much of a football player. Great class GC brought in. I'm excited for years to come. I now live in Springfield Missouri. I recently decided to attend one of Mo State practices and guess who was on the field. IC rb from last year Demetrius Bayless. Looks like Mo State has worked him well because he was definitely a power runner last year with the blueboys but now he has some quickness and speed. i was wondering where the kid had went only being a frosh last year. I'm pretty sure he has to sit out next this year for transfer procedures. It saddens me to see him leave IC but at the same time he looks like a good fit for Mo State. Wish him the best of luck.

What a day for the Blueboys!  Their board support doubled in one day!  Welcome Lifer!  Keep the cards and letters coming!  Perhaps we'll get a chance to meet at an upcoming game.  I appreciated your reference to the improvements in the recruiting classes.  With my limited football knowledge, my assessment was only based on just watching them move in to their dorms. 

As my history with the Blueboys only dates back to August 12th, I know nothing of the story of this RB.  Why'd he leave IC?  Just curious! Regardless, it's great that things are working out for him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 10, 2010, 07:04:21 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 09, 2010, 12:48:22 PM
Sorry SNCOLDAD, it was still early and I wasn't thinking.

I'm not in your pickem but just for the hell of it I'm going to go out on a limb....

ILLINOIS COLLEGE 28 vs. Carroll UNIVERSITY 21

Is it my birthday?  First, I find another IC poster.  And now, the discovery of intelligent life on this board! ;D  I am a little disappointed that our defense gives up 21 in your scenario, but a win's a win!  Hey, and thanks for the banner instruction.  You're on the +K IOU list, but it ain't like you need 'em...  Best of luck to your boys!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 10, 2010, 07:24:47 AM
IC 42, Carroll 24 (IC can score.  Defense better than shown vs. Beloit)
Monmouth 38, Grinnell 17 (MC has something to prove, but may not be last year's Scots)
Ripon 28, Lake Forest 7 (Not exactly a tough pick.  LF will get in the endzone.  May be late in the game.)
Lawrence 21, Knox 14 (Knox is on the rise.  They just ain't there yet.)
SNC 21, Beloit 10 (Setting up the undefeated match up between IC & SNC)


Blueboy Nation is on the rise! You just gotta get used to the idea!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 10, 2010, 07:27:32 AM
So that's what all those buttons at the top do...  Who knew?  Thanks again Warhawk! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2010, 07:54:20 AM
OH NOOOoooooooo. He found the buttons!   :'(


;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 10, 2010, 08:39:42 AM
Every day, the threat grows! ;) 

Oh, and on the undefeated match-up, obviously I mean "in conference".  I just hope y'all can hold up your end! ;D  Good luck this week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2010, 09:52:44 AM
I think all will agree that when it comes to the MWC, conference games are all that matters. The non-con are good games, but winning them does not get you into the playoffs. You have to win conference. That was proved last year and until more teams in the MWC can become competitive, it will stay that way. We did not hold up our end of that deal last week, so look out. I bet there is a lot of hostile frustrations that will come out this week in Beloit.

Sorry Roop.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blueboy4life on September 10, 2010, 10:17:41 AM
Well blu thru n thru hopefully we will get to meet. As far as the history of bayless he started around 5 games for us should have been more. He startee because williamson got hurt. He had a monster game against grinell had 3 tds and 180 yards I believe. Ended the season around 600 plus yards and honorable mentiion all conference as a frosh. No clue to why he transfered though. Good luck boys in Wi
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2010, 01:02:49 PM
Looks like www.d3football.com is down at the moment.  :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 10, 2010, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2010, 01:02:49 PM
Looks like www.d3football.com is down at the moment.  :-[

Its back up now.  And it looks like the Larry's are featured in the play of the week.  Getting the MWC some exposure, whether it be good or not so good
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 10, 2010, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 10, 2010, 09:52:44 AM
I think all will agree that when it comes to the MWC, conference games are all that matters. The non-con are good games, but winning them does not get you into the playoffs. You have to win conference. That was proved last year and until more teams in the MWC can become competitive, it will stay that way. We did not hold up our end of that deal last week, so look out. I bet there is a lot of hostile frustrations that will come out this week in Beloit.

Sorry Roop.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

The sooner it gets out of hand the sooner I get home. Score a couple quick ones and I may not see the end of the 1st quarter. Yup, I'm that fair weathered when facing a long drive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 10, 2010, 02:20:16 PM
Picks for Week 2:

Grinnell @ Monmouth - MC
Lake Forest @ Ripon - RC
Knox @ Lawrence - LU
St. Norbert @ Beloit - SNC
Illinois C. @ Carroll - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots!  Got some good milestones that can be accomplished with a win on Saturday!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 10, 2010, 04:16:27 PM
Picks for Week 2:

Grinnell @ Monmouth -  MC-24-17.  Hopefully they can find a running game.
Lake Forest @ Ripon - RC.  49-14.  Ugly quick.
Knox @ Lawrence - KC.  17-7.  Knox gets first win.
St. Norbert @ Beloit - SNC.  56-13.  Ouch...
Illinois C. @ Carroll - CU.  20-17.  Sorry btnt.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 10, 2010, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 10, 2010, 04:16:27 PM
Picks for Week 2:

Grinnell @ Monmouth -  MC-24-17.  Hopefully they can find a running game.
Lake Forest @ Ripon - RC.  49-14.  Ugly quick.
Knox @ Lawrence - KC.  17-7.  Knox gets first win.
St. Norbert @ Beloit - SNC.  56-13.  Ouch...
Illinois C. @ Carroll - CU.  20-17.  Sorry btnt.


JV mistake... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 10, 2010, 06:47:53 PM
Quote from: blueboy4life on September 10, 2010, 10:17:41 AM
Well blu thru n thru hopefully we will get to meet. As far as the history of bayless he started around 5 games for us should have been more. He startee because williamson got hurt. He had a monster game against grinell had 3 tds and 180 yards I believe. Ended the season around 600 plus yards and honorable mentiion all conference as a frosh. No clue to why he transfered though. Good luck boys in Wi

Should have started more? Why didn't he? That's kind of a curious statement.

I'll be there cooking fajitas next weekend. Look me up if you're there... Getting some good tailgating action going! We're getting organized. You hooked up in it? Let me know if not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blueboy4life on September 10, 2010, 07:12:33 PM
I won't be attending many games if any due to workday conflictions. I felt like bayless should have started more games he was more productive as a starter. He almost made all conference off 5 starts makes you wonder what he could have done with more quality starts. No clue to why he didn't start more but he I felt it was obvious he should have after week 2 at know
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 10, 2010, 09:01:35 PM
Hey Mr. football - so what's the deal.?  Too slow, too dumb, buried on the depth chart, or did the coaches simply not tell u when practice was starting this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 11, 2010, 07:12:24 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else wake up each Saturday in the fall with with that 4 note intro to the theme song from Monday Night Football playing in their heads?  What a great time of year!  I've got my Broncos game this morning at 9AM.  For those interested, we face a powerhouse in the Klein Rams.  Should be an epic tilt!  Then heading to Austin to watch those mighty Horns take on that football juggernaut, Wyoming.  Shoud be a close one. ;D  And best of all, the Blueboys are in Wakesha ready to take on Carroll. 

Good luck to all today! May the best teams win! And of course by that I see the Blueboys @ 1-0 in conference today. 

You know you always wanted to be a Blueboy!!!

Dang! I love these banners.  I gotta figure out what all these other buttons do...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 11, 2010, 07:18:23 AM
Hey Mr. Football- Don't mind Moncol.  He's kinda the Simon Cowell of this thread. ;)  But we all know what happened to the show when he left...  (Okay, I guess I better head-off any Paula Abdul references about my place, here).  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 11, 2010, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 11, 2010, 07:12:24 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else wake up each Saturday in the fall with with that 4 note intro to the theme song from Monday Night Football playing in their heads? 

It must be just you btnt. I hear the sound of Polynesian drums...I'm not sure why!!  ;)   :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 11, 2010, 01:34:04 PM
For me, it's the 70's. And about 1/2 the 80's...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
Beloit puts together an 87-yard drive to open the game. 7-0 Bucs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 02:16:23 PM
Beloit intercepts SNC. Ensuing drive ends in a TD.

14-0 with 6:48 left in the first quarter.

>:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 02:23:45 PM
SNC uses a nice kickoff return and key 3rd down run by Berger to get back in it.

14-7 Beloit leads.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
Looks like Roop won't be going anywhere.

Beloit TD on a drive that includes a fake punt on 4th down.

21-7 Bucs lead, early 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 11, 2010, 02:42:32 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
Looks like Roop won't be going anywhere.

Beloit TD on a drive that includes a fake punt on 4th down.

21-7 Bucs lead, early 2nd quarter.

Wow.

Ripon has forced 4 Lake Forest turnovers in the first quarter and is up 14-0.  Defense returned a int for a td, and a passing td for Ripon.  Offense still isnt clicking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 02:56:42 PM
SNC gets 36-yrd TD pass with 1:14 left in the first half.

BC 21
SNC 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 03:05:59 PM
Beloit kicks a 38-yard FG as time expires in the half.

24-14 Bucs lead.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 03:38:21 PM
SNC nice drive to open second half, but misses FG.

SNC gets interception on a tipped ball, drives for TD.

Beloit leads 24-21 with 8:11 left in third q.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 11, 2010, 03:54:43 PM
Oh Monco   Must be all the above.  But oh well...  WE can't all be like U... ( Thank God)

Obtw.  Grinnell -14  Monm -00   Halftime.

P.S  Tanney hurt 1st quarter.  Sure HOPE he is ok.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 04:11:59 PM
SNC inexplicably tries to have Berger roll out on 4th and 2 and run it, but get stopped short of the first down, giving BC the ball at the SNC 13.

Beloit gets to 4th & goal at the 7, goes for it but does not convert.

24-21 Beloit leads.

I think about 8 left...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 04:21:02 PM
SNC takes the lead on a long (6:00) drive with a TD.  :)

28-24 SNC leads with 3:06 left.

SNC dominating second half ... but still time...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 04:25:16 PM
BC runs two bad plays, then gets a 70-yard touchdown pass. kick good.

31-28 Beloit leads with 2:07 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 11, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
Keep in mind, Purtill was suspended for this game and is not calling the plays today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 11, 2010, 04:30:48 PM
Between the MC and SNC games......The conference is completely up for grabs this year!

Alex tanney injured, been out since early in the game.  Scots trailing 17-8 in the 3rd.  Freshmen MC qb trying to find his way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 04:34:31 PM
SNC moves the ball all the way down to the 12-yard-line...

On 4th down, SNC kicks field goal. Tied 31-31 with :53.4 left in the game.

SNC missed a FG early, Beloit got deep but didn't score... whoever loses will be gnashing at lost opportunities...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 04:45:31 PM
Beloit drives down the field (a bit too easily, IMO), gets down to the 6 yard line... field goal try on third down - GOOD. 34-31 with :06.1 left.

After squib kic, SNC got ball at 50yrd line with :04.9. ..batted down at goal line.

Bucs get first win against SNC in a dozen years.  :(

Time to worry about the SNC defense. I wasn't as worried last week, given the quality of the Tommies. But the Bucs just picked apart SNC on the pasing game.

Oh, and a nice job by the Beloit announcers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 11, 2010, 04:55:14 PM
Crazy day, holy cow.

Ripon is up 63-20 late in the 4th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 11, 2010, 05:02:27 PM
That was a long 6.1 seconds. I had Monmouth-Wartburg flash backs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 11, 2010, 05:08:13 PM
Grinnell 17 Monmouth 15. Final Score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 11, 2010, 05:12:39 PM
Not only that but Looks like tanney is out for the season. Give grin ell credit they really played well and are much improved. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 05:12:57 PM
Lawrence beats the Knox Siwash 33-12.

When was the last time LU was looking down on SNC in the standings?  ;)



ps, yes, I know they are the Prairie Fire now. They weren't when I was in school... old habits die hard...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 05:17:35 PM
Final

Ripon 64
Lake Forest 19
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 05:19:28 PM
Final

Carroll 34
Illinois College 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 05:21:44 PM
So, standings would be:

Lawrence 1-0
Grinnell 1-0
Ripon 1-0
Beloit 1-0
Carroll 1-0
Knox 0-1
Lake Forest 0-1
Illinois 0-1
St. Norbert 0-1
Monmouth 0-1

What was that thing about the last shall be first and first shall be last???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2010, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 11, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
Keep in mind, Purtill was suspended for this game and is not calling the plays today.

Why is this?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 11, 2010, 05:53:13 PM
Holy haggus!!!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 11, 2010, 06:01:25 PM
I feel like I'm in a time warp, and I think I'm gonna be sick from such a sudden collapse of mc as a football power in this conference.  With tanney - embarrassed by wartburg.  Without him they can't find a way to squeeze one out against grinnell at home.  The whole program must have problems, in 2006 they still dominated the lowly teams wout a tanney at qb.

And looks like snc is still lookin for answers too
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 11, 2010, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 11, 2010, 04:28:54 PM
Keep in mind, Purtill was suspended for this game and is not calling the plays today.

That has NOTHING to do with the loss today.  IF that really was a concern, they should have practiced better.

What a great day for the Red Hawks, took the offense some time to get it together, but once they did it was all over, they had over 400 yards of total offense.  The defense and special teams for Ripon were AMAZING..  I am suprised at the Monmouth and SNC scores...  Looks like this will be an interesting year!!  Any word on Tanny?  I hope he is alright...

PS...  Careful when you put up some points on Lake Forest, the start to take cheep shots, it got to the point where i was hoping that they would just call the game... 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 11, 2010, 08:33:22 PM
Redhawk, any time your play caller for the past 12 years is not on the sideline calling the offense, it does matter. Especially in a close game. I am not saying any of the coaches present did a bad job. On the contrary I think they did a good job. But you can practice for things all you want. Having that person that never hesitates on getting a play in does make a difference.

Oh, and don't take this as making excuses. This is not an excuse. I will not put down the job that Beloit did today by making excuses. They worked hard and earned their victory.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 11, 2010, 09:39:55 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 11, 2010, 08:33:22 PM
Redhawk, any time your play caller for the past 12 years is not on the sideline calling the offense, it does matter. Especially in a close game. I am not saying any of the coaches present did a bad job. On the contrary I think they did a good job. But you can practice for things all you want. Having that person that never hesitates on getting a play in does make a difference.

Oh, and don't take this as making excuses. This is not an excuse. I will not put down the job that Beloit did today by making excuses. They worked hard and earned their victory.


Dad - I understand that it takes away alittle, but a lot of the "play calling" comes down to executaion not the play itself.  The reason he was suspended is STUPID on his part.  To make your team continue warm ups during the national anthem is horrible.  He should have had more than 1 game suspension, since this was his Second offense.  That is one of the big reason's i dislike that man..  (I do have many others, but I'll save that for a different time).. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on September 11, 2010, 09:50:33 PM
Gbpuckfan,

Does Grinnell have 2 teams in the league this year? That's impressive!

;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on September 11, 2010, 09:50:33 PM
Gbpuckfan,

Does Grinnell have 2 teams in the league this year? That's impressive!

;)

Duly noted.

I was already blocking out the loss???  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 12, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 11, 2010, 09:39:55 PM
Dad - I understand that it takes away alittle, but a lot of the "play calling" comes down to executaion not the play itself.  The reason he was suspended is STUPID on his part.  To make your team continue warm ups during the national anthem is horrible.  He should have had more than 1 game suspension, since this was his Second offense.  That is one of the big reason's i dislike that man..  (I do have many others, but I'll save that for a different time).. 

If this information is correct, the guy is a dunderhead.  Big winning percentage or not, he and his inflated ego should be sent packing.  Then again I'm a pompous ass who finds it offensive when Olympic athletes take a victory lap draped in the Stars & Stripes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 12, 2010, 09:56:50 AM
Certainly was an interesting day.  And should lead to a very interesting year.  I can offer no reports on IC's loss.  I'm excited to be heading up next week for the game.  Since the entire conference will be on pins & needles ;) waiting the updates on the IC vs. LF game, I will update ongoing during the game. 

MC fans, I certainly hope Alex is okay.  It saddens me whenever I hear of any athlete's career ending prematurely.  It's particularly upseting when it's someone who is as committed to the game and so important to a team.  I'm sure I speak for the entire conference when I say that I hope he's able to return quickly.  Besides, I didn't want y'all to have such a made to order excuse when we upset you this year. ;D  Kidding aside, that sucks.  Let's hope it's not serious.

As for IC's 0-2 start...  It's all part of the plan.  Coach told me that my efforts in promoting IC were inconsistent with his plan to sneak up on the rest of the conference.  He had to sand bag a couple games.  It's on now!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2010, 11:10:54 AM
The race to 6-3 is on!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 12, 2010, 11:13:21 AM
Is moving banner season officially dead?  Except for btnt, that is!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 12, 2010, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 11, 2010, 05:12:57 PM
Lawrence beats the Knox Siwash 33-12.

When was the last time LU was looking down on SNC in the standings?  ;)



ps, yes, I know they are the Prairie Fire now. They weren't when I was in school... old habits die hard...

This game was rather horrid. Lots of turnovers, Knox gave up about 70+ yd run from scrimmage on the very first play. Then drove it right down Law U's throat but a bad snap and a weird attempted recover led the ball straight into a Law U defenders hand you returned it for a touchdown. Very next drive, exact same thing almost, Knox drives and fumbles. Law U's punt team did some work. Left Knox within the 10   3 times I think. Defense got a safety two of these times, once on a fumble and once on a play with no blocking. Knox didn't show up to play in the second half even thought the score was 15-12. Typical Knox. I stand by my team though, if they don't shoot themselves in the foot and put together two full halves of football I think they could still 'potentially' win the MWC, especially with SNC and Monmouth losing. Guess we'll see next week when SNC travels to Galesburg
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2010, 01:46:26 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on September 12, 2010, 12:22:06 PM

I stand by my team though, if they don't shoot themselves in the foot and put together two full halves of football I think they could still 'potentially' win the MWC, especially with SNC and Monmouth losing. Guess we'll see next week when SNC travels to Galesburg

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 12, 2010, 03:20:44 PM
Two of the biggest upsets of the last 6 years happen on the same day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 12, 2010, 03:23:33 PM
Maybe the fact that you couldn't beat his team in your 4 years has something to do with it??

For you to say Purtill not being at practice or the game this past week had nothing to do with the loss is just stupidity on your part.  The offensive guru for 12 years all of a sudden not being there in such a close game obviously does play a part.  With that being said, just like Dad mentioned, credit to Beloit on a hard fought win - they came to play.

Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 11, 2010, 09:39:55 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 11, 2010, 08:33:22 PM
Redhawk, any time your play caller for the past 12 years is not on the sideline calling the offense, it does matter. Especially in a close game. I am not saying any of the coaches present did a bad job. On the contrary I think they did a good job. But you can practice for things all you want. Having that person that never hesitates on getting a play in does make a difference.

Oh, and don't take this as making excuses. This is not an excuse. I will not put down the job that Beloit did today by making excuses. They worked hard and earned their victory.


Dad - I understand that it takes away alittle, but a lot of the "play calling" comes down to executaion not the play itself.  The reason he was suspended is STUPID on his part.  To make your team continue warm ups during the national anthem is horrible.  He should have had more than 1 game suspension, since this was his Second offense.  That is one of the big reason's i dislike that man..  (I do have many others, but I'll save that for a different time).. 


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 12, 2010, 03:51:20 PM
I guess the St. Thomas vs. Beloit play off game will determine which SNC result was the fluke. While geography might favor a Beloit-Whitewater first round match up. I think the NCAA will try to keep those teams away from each other to balance the bracket.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 12, 2010, 06:53:04 PM
Am I understanding that a college football coach was suspended for continuing to go through warm-ups during the national anthem?  There's no excuse for that! Do I also understand that this was his second offense? I gotta ask for the back-story.  If I were a school admin, that dude would have some serious pressure on his job.  It's an embarrassment to the school.  I'm not one of those super-patriots, but no one is bigger than the National Anthem.  Has anyone mentioned that it was 9/11???

There should be no debate over its impact.  It's big.  Finesse and experience are what make one coordinator/coach more valuable than another.  Games come at you fast.  Having the experience to react appropriately (making the right call) is not easy.  And, frankly, some just do it much better than others.  Wins are achieved 50% by execution, and 50% by a coach's experience and ability to make the calls and adjustments (quickly).  Putting players in the right places gives them the best opportunity to be successful.  (You can argue the %'s, but not the point.)

None of this is to take away from Beloit.  They got it done.  Congrats to all of yesterday's winners.  I'm guessing we should be hearing more from those Grinnell posters...

Oh, and since everyone's wondering, I am pleased to report the mighty Klein Freshman Broncos vanquished the Klein Rams 30-25 in a thriller.  We're 2-0 on the young season. Lots of season ahead.  I'll keep you posted. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 12, 2010, 08:01:10 PM
Well football fans the 411 from MC is Alex Tanney dislocated his ac joint or something like that... preliminary thoughts are 4 weeks - season ending... he went home last nite. 

Also heard something about a Redshirt year and return next year, not real sure about that one, I quess anything is possible.

And on another note btnt after seeing the MC roster. (They have 10 qb's on the roster this year).  Btnt I really thought your son made a great choice to go IC,  but after yesterdays injury to Tanney I'm not to sure now...    JMO...  Would of liked of seen him come off the bench yestersday and maybe save the day.  Not that the Fr. ( Wedekind )( I think that was his name not 100% that was his name) that came in and did a bad job yestersday (overall),  but it seem like it took to long for the team to believe in him (Or maybe just the shock of not having Tanney in at QB)  Idk.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2010, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 12, 2010, 06:53:04 PM
I'm not one of those super-patriots, but no one is bigger than the National Anthem.  Has anyone mentioned that it was 9/11???

The infraction did not take place this week. The suspension was served this week.

In that sense, it's actual poetic justice, no?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 12, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
I have only one comment on the subject. And it does not mean I am defending or blaming anyone for the situation.

"Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 12, 2010, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 12, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
"Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone."
Dang!  I hate that one.  Takes all the fun out of this!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 12, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 12, 2010, 08:01:10 PM
Well football fans the 411 from MC is Alex Tanney dislocated his ac joint or something like that... preliminary thoughts are 4 weeks - season ending... he went home last nite. 

That sucks! Kids work awful hard in this game.  And at this level, it's really all about the love of the game.  The senior year is supposed to be the big reward.  Sorry MC fans.  Tough break for the entire MC family. :(

As for my kid making the right choice, we're absolutely convinced he has.  What he's learning, we can't buy. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 12, 2010, 09:25:57 PM
blu, I have to agree. Injuries to anybody in a sport is not fair. But to have it happen  senior year. That just is not right.

I was looking forward to Tanney vs. Berger.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2010, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 12, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 12, 2010, 08:01:10 PM
Well football fans the 411 from MC is Alex Tanney dislocated his ac joint or something like that... preliminary thoughts are 4 weeks - season ending... he went home last nite. 

That sucks! Kids work awful hard in this game.  And at this level, it's really all about the love of the game.  The senior year is supposed to be the big reward.  Sorry MC fans.  Tough break for the entire MC family. :(

As for my kid making the right choice, we're absolutely convinced he has.  What he's learning, we can't buy. 


I just wrote out tuition checks for two kids.  I'm guessing you're "buying" it, big time! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 12, 2010, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 12, 2010, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 12, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
"Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone."
Dang!  I hate that one.  Takes all the fun out of this!

And when a stone came out of the crowd, Jesus said:  "Mother!"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 12, 2010, 08:01:10 PM

Also heard something about a Redshirt year and return next year, not real sure about that one, I quess anything is possible.


Tanney will have 5 quarters of play this season.  Would he be eligible for a medical redshirt if he didn't play the rest of the season?  I suppose it might be worth coming back for one more fall semester of classes to pick up a second major, etc., if he was eligible.  If not, hats off to the top signal caller in MWC history. 

And, I'm confident that Coach Bell can right the ship with a new quarterback and a week or two of prep.


W W W . G R A N T T A N N E Y A R E D S H I R T . C O M 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 12, 2010, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 12, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 12, 2010, 08:01:10 PM

Also heard something about a Redshirt year and return next year, not real sure about that one, I quess anything is possible.


Tanney will have 5 quarters of play this season.  Would he be eligible for a medical redshirt if he didn't play the rest of the season?  I suppose it might be worth coming back for one more fall semester of classes to pick up a second major, etc., if he was eligible.  If not, hats off to the top signal caller in MWC history. 

And, I'm confident that Coach Bell can right the ship with a new quarterback and a week or two of prep.


W W W . G R A N T T A N N E Y A R E D S H I R T . C O M 

He would definitely be eligible.  In fact, despite an earlier post, I'm pretty sure he would be eligible even if he had been hurt next week.  Beyond that, no.

This is one of the few areas where I would agree that publics have an advantage over privates - a redshirt year (or even semester) is apt to be far more expensive at a private.  (In general, the cost differential is exaggerated, due to greater financial aid by privates; but most privates' scholarships have a 4-year limit.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 12, 2010, 11:06:57 PM
Ripon's experience with their senoir QB out for the year really left a big ? mark coming into the season.  The guy behind him has really stepped up into his role and has done well so far, and the biggest reason for that is having his teammates rally around him.  I have a feeling the MC coaches will do a good job of rallying the team around whoever steps in  (I just hope that the new QB doesnt get in his groove until atleast week 7)(Ripon vs. MC in week 6  ;)).

As for the medical redshirt. At Ripon, in the past, players have gone down in week two and have still been granted a "medical hardship" by the NCAA and could come back for another year

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 12, 2010, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 12, 2010, 08:01:10 PM
Well football fans the 411 from MC is Alex Tanney dislocated his ac joint or something like that... preliminary thoughts are 4 weeks - season ending... he went home last nite. 

Also heard something about a Redshirt year and return next year, not real sure about that one, I quess anything is possible.

Does "he went home last night" mean he left the hospital or did he go "home" home ?. As in not in school anymore.

Mr. Ypsi is right about a redshirt being available and is also right about it being cost prohibitive. So I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 13, 2010, 09:09:36 AM
Wow...tough weekend for the "top" two teams in the conference.  Tanny did separate the AC joint.  Who knows what his plans will be...  The question is probably going to come down to where Monmouth is when he "could" come back.  If they are out of it, then I could probably see him coming back next year.  If they are still in the hunt, then maybe he tries to still play this year.  Either way...Grinnell got a win to put in their bags for many years to come.  Any ideas when he has to claim the medical redshirt.  Does it have to happen by the third game or does the injury have to happen by the

That being said.  Monmouth still had plenty of chances to win that game.  They had a 4th and 1 inside the Gary 20 and called time out.  Then they ran straight up the middle for a 1 yard loss.  They had the momentum...they had Grinnell on their heels and then they called a timeout to let them regroup and they run an ISO up the middle.  Come on!  They had another chance to score later in the game on the other end and they choked their too.  Why is that we can go the length of the field in 30 seconds and 3 plays but for the past 5 years, we can't get a 3rd and 1.  Frustrating.

Bright spot though. The freshman QB looked like he got a lot more comfortable in the second half and if they have to go with him for the rest of the season, it looks like they will still be okay.  He runs well and has a pretty decent arm.  Threw a couple deep outs to the wide side of the field that looked pretty strong.  Hopefully the team can get some things going against Lawrence.   With SNC losing, there is still a chance to win the conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 13, 2010, 09:26:03 AM
For a player to medically redshirt he cannot play past the 2nd quarter of the 3rd regular season game. As for the past weekend games, what a crazy weekend it was... Glad to see some upsets finally with the other Pios, Grinnell slaying the dragon that is Monmouth even if it was with or without Tanney (tough injury tho). SNC ran into a team that is on the up and up in the conference in Beloit, and everything else in the conference seemed to be business as usual with the teams that should have won, winning.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 13, 2010, 12:20:26 PM
Some top individual performences that I noticed from Week 1 of MWC play:

Jake Marshall (QB-Ripon): 127 yds rushing (4 TDs), 87 yds passing (1 TD)
Josh Pasek (RB-Ripon): 229 All-Purpose yds (1 TD- 63 yd punt return)
Matt Shepherd (WR-Monm): 16 receptions, 193 yds (1 TD), 224 All-Purpose
Shane Reschke (P-Monm): 79 yd punt, 48.6 yd average
Chris Casper (QB-Carroll): 23-32 for 397 yds (3 TDs), 41 yds rushing
Kyle Galas (WR-Carroll): 6 receptions, 195 yds (2 TDs)
Robbie Ulloa (S-LU): 8 tackles (2.5 TFL), 1 FF, 2 FR, 2 Sacks
Marquis Bradley (LB-GC): 14 tackles (0.5 TFL), 1 FF, 1 FR
Ripon College Defense: 8 Turnovers (5 INT, 3 FR)
Brian Maughn (QB-Beloit): 28-36 for 357 yds (3 TDs)
Beloit WR's: 3 over 100 yds receiving (Julian Ross, Derek Carrier, Odin Grina)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 13, 2010, 12:30:46 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 13, 2010, 09:09:36 AM
That being said.  Monmouth still had plenty of chances to win that game.  They had a 4th and 1 inside the Gary 20 and called time out.  Then they ran straight up the middle for a 1 yard loss.  They had the momentum...they had Grinnell on their heels and then they called a timeout to let them regroup and they run an ISO up the middle.  Come on!  They had another chance to score later in the game on the other end and they choked their too.  Why is that we can go the length of the field in 30 seconds and 3 plays but for the past 5 years, we can't get a 3rd and 1.  Frustrating.

Monmouth Red Zone stats this year:
Offense 1-4 25% (1 TD)
Defense 5-5 100% (2 TD, 3 FG)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 14, 2010, 03:14:44 PM
Board is dead this week so far so here are my picks for the weekend...

Beloit vs Carroll: Big game for both teams, but I think Carroll comes out of this game with Pio-Buc Trophy. Carroll 24 Beloit 20.

Grinnell vs Ripon: Ripon takes this game after Grinnell had a gutty game last week. Ripon 35 Grinnell 12.

Knox vs St. Norbert: Green Knights big in this game. St. Norbert 42 Knox 7

Illinois College vs Lake Forest: Blueboys get on the winning ways and win for Blu to up his spirits!!! IC 38 Lake Forest 6

Lawrence vs Monmouth: Monmouth gets back in the W column by beating up on the Vikings. Monmouth 49 Lawrence 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on September 14, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
Almost 27 hours between posts on this board.  Do we need to send the EMS to blu's house?  I'm worried.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 14, 2010, 04:47:40 PM
Tanney goes down, the board goes down.  'nuf said.    :'(

M O N M O U T H  F O O T B A L L - - S T I L L  G O N N A  M A K E  I T  H A P P E N  I N  2 0 1 0 ! ! !                   B U T  W A T C H  O U T  F O R  M T .  B E L O I T! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 14, 2010, 07:51:33 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on September 14, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
Almost 27 hours between posts on this board.  Do we need to send the EMS to blu's house?  I'm worried.
I'm here. I'm just pissed that Footballfan99 gave Lake Forest 6 points... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 14, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Well boys this will get it started.

More bad news for MC ----- Tanney, Blodget and Shepard are all out for the season.  Or good news for the coaching staff, when they all come back and an play next year. 

JMO...  So don't get to UPSET sportfan, cuz I got more to come.

P.S.  Changing MC from 8-2/7-3 season to 4-6. (KC, LU,CU and LF)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 14, 2010, 11:51:30 PM
Blu,

I was at the Carroll/IC game and IC does have some talent on the squad for the future they just need to gel as a team and make it all come together. They did show flashes of how good there offense can be, but sloppy play will kill any team no matter how good. As for giving Lake Forest 6 points, I was just being nice to a team that has fallen on hard times after showing some promise only a few years back...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 07:42:36 AM
Y'know I was jus playin', bro... I'll take that score any day.  I can see it.  We're up 38-0 late, and the 3rd teamers give up a cheap one...  ;D

Thanks so much for the review.  I had recieved a similar review from another poster.  I've contended all along that, as the coach's recruiting and program development takes shape, this'll be a team to reckon with.  It's pleasing to hear any evidence of that.  I'm excited to be getting my first chance to see a game this coming weekend.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 08:08:36 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 14, 2010, 04:47:40 PM
Tanney goes down, the board goes down.  'nuf said.    :'(

M O N M O U T H  F O O T B A L L - - S T I L L  G O N N A  M A K E  I T  H A P P E N  I N  2 0 1 0 ! ! !                   B U T  W A T C H  O U T  F O R  M T .  B E L O I T! 
Scottie-
You're not wrong.  Truth is, a lot of the activity on this thread is headed by posters supporting the anticipated favored teams.  The Scots were seemingly concluded to be the team that would win the conference.  The rest of us were just fightin' for 2nd.  Or, so it would seem...  Starting 0-2, and facing the potential of a .500 season, leaves Scots' fans with a little less to crow about.  Thus, until the activity of some of the newer, not previously anticipated, contenders picks up, there may be a drop in activity.  That's where I come in... ;)

I really am bummed about the reports I'm reading of the Scots' injuries.  Obviously, more for the players, than the fans.  But regardless, I just hate seeing the race influenced by these circumstances.  But I know y'all are true fans and you'll keep bringing it! That, and I didn't want our victory over the Scots this year to have and asterisk. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 15, 2010, 08:29:36 AM
Hey I'm still here Blu and I'm not going use Tanney as an excuse.  The truth is the Scotts still have as much talent as anyone else in the conference. Now they just have to prove it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 08:55:19 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 15, 2010, 08:29:36 AM
Hey I'm still here Blu and I'm not going use Tanney as an excuse.  The truth is the Scotts still have as much talent as anyone else in the conference. Now they just have to prove it!
I knew YOU weren't gonna go away!  No matter how bad we wanted you to... ;)

If you want to put a positive spin on this, it's a great opportunity for the younger players to step up and get the experience that will make the team better for next season.  Oh no! :o  A great season is not always a championship season.  Sometimes the greatest seasons are the result of seeing real achievement, development, and teams that rise up and defy the odds!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 09:01:35 AM
Hey- Tomorrow night's HS game on ESPN is the Abilene Eagles vs. a team from Florida.  Abilene is the team that knocked my son's team in the state semi's.  They went on to donkey stomp perenial power, Katy, in the title game.  Abilene is something to see.  Check out their RB Herschel Sims.  If they show his photo, dude looks 24.  He's not.  He's just a beast.  Just FYI.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 15, 2010, 09:10:38 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens the rest of the year but regardless of their record I don't think anyone in the conference will take MC lightly.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2010, 09:31:57 AM
Green Bay newspaper article about the Purtill suspension:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100915/GPG020102/9150522/1227/GPG0201
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2010, 10:44:33 AM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 14, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Well boys this will get it started.

More bad news for MC ----- Tanney, Blodget and Shepard are all out for the season.  Or good news for the coaching staff, when they all come back and an play next year. 

JMO...  So don't get to UPSET sportfan, cuz I got more to come.

P.S.  Changing MC from 8-2/7-3 season to 4-6. (KC, LU,CU and LF)

What happened?  More injuries?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 15, 2010, 10:49:20 AM
I don't know about Sheppard and Blodgett.  I think they will be back.  There foot injuries are like 2 to 4 week deals.  Tanney is a 3rd degree seperation and he will be out the season.  He may come back or he may not.  I would guess that he feels that he has one more year of football, but he doesn't have to make that decision until the end of the season.

Here is the way I see the season playing out.  If they can beat Lawrence handidly, then they will have confidence going into IC.  If they can be 2-1 in the conference going into St. Norbert, then they will have the confidence to compete with Norbert.  If they win that, then the Ripon game becomes the season and they could finish 8-2 to get into the playoff or 7-3 with a loss and you probably see Ripon in the playoffs.  If they lose any of the next three, then we could be looking at a 6-4 or 5-5 type of season.  There is still a lot of talent there and everyone is getting reps this week.

I think that the rest of this season will be very interesting in the conference.  The only team that looks like the favorite right now has to be Ripon.  That option can put you in a bad spot if you get behind though.  No matter what, whoever makes the playoffs is going to get a tough opponent in round one.  We have no arguements to get a better seed. Then maybe a 6 or 7.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 15, 2010, 10:49:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Football on September 14, 2010, 08:40:42 PM

More bad news for MC ----- Tanney, Blodget and Shepard are all out for the season.  Or good news for the coaching staff, when they all come back and an play next year. 


Gadzooks!  Are they re-tooling for a Stagg Bowl run in 2011?   :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: stickandgo on September 15, 2010, 10:51:53 AM
New to the board..and am an alum LF.

Have a few questions:

1. Redhawk-- you mentioned cheap shots by LF players last week, do you mean like the one where Ripon passed the ball with to make it go from 57-64 pts? sorry was boxscore watching. especially considering they are an option team.

2. Any thoughts on why LF has fallen so far? I did notice that more than half of their roster is freshman or first year players. Any idea of that is due to the coaching carousel?

3. Saw LF's new facility... I would think that will now help them recruit against folks who already built. Any thoughts on how it compares to IC and Monmouth?


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2010, 11:18:44 AM
Welcome to the board stickandgo.  Some fresh new perspective from LF will be good.

I missed a lot of the end of the game last week, so Im not sure about the cheap shots that Redhawk saw.  I did see one of the final kickoffs and there was a Ripon player being 'restrained' by his teammates from what was a LF late hit.  As for the TD pass, it was a freshman backup QB (wanted him to run the offense like the score was 0-0 im sure, get real experience)

The new facility at LF looks awesome.  Not as big as MC or IC but very nice.  IC has one of the premeir facilities in the midwest as far as I've seen, it would be hard to top that set-up.  Ripon's fieldhouse was built in 1963 and hasnt seen much renovation since then (new bball flooring is about it), so if anyone has a couple $'s laying around throw it that way...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 15, 2010, 12:13:06 PM
Found a good t-shirt for blu yesterday. Just need confirmation that he'll be in Beloit this year and a size range.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 15, 2010, 01:54:18 PM
Where was this game played?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 15, 2010, 02:57:30 PM
Now to answer you're questions.  The cheep shots took place not only on the kick off, but they were also taking late/cheep shots on our QB.  Stuff that doesn't need to be done when you are getting beat as bad as they were.  As for the pass at the end of the game, here is what happened and this is the actual truth....  All during the week in practice the QB's were taught that if the corners where playing tight, that they need to audible at the line to a certain pass play, well on that particular play, the corners were on the line and the Frosh QB did what he was taught all week and audibled to that play, it worked...  ;D  Now the coaches did talk to him after that and said that we(Ripon) do not do that when the score is the way it was, but they also didn't tell him not to audible.  Sooo it's good to know that the Frosh QB is working hard during practice.   

Pray for fast healing to the Monmouth Players..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MCAlum97 on September 15, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
Who's going to move the chains for MC now? I know they have a senior runningback in Law but outside of that I know nothing now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 15, 2010, 12:13:06 PM
Found a good t-shirt for blu yesterday. Just need confirmation that he'll be in Beloit this year and a size range.
Now I guess I'll have to be in Beloit.  As for the size.  Man size! ;)  I'm from Texas.  XXL

While I'm flattered that you'd think of me, I fear I'm being set up...  Roop, your reputation preceeds you. ;D  Is this one of those deals where I'm going to have to pose while wearing it, and then have my image posted on the internet.  I'm leary of this kinda thing ever since my wife posted those photos of me...  Never mind, I've probably said too much already.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 15, 2010, 10:49:20 AM
Here is the way I see the season playing out.  If they can beat Lawrence handidly, then they will have confidence going into IC.  If they can be 2-1 in the conference going into St. Norbert, then they will have the confidence to compete with Norbert.  If they win that, then the Ripon game becomes the season and they could finish 8-2 to get into the playoff or 7-3 with a loss and you probably see Ripon in the playoffs.  If they lose any of the next three, then we could be looking at a 6-4 or 5-5 type of season.  There is still a lot of talent there and everyone is getting reps this week.

Kilts- I got the record for comma usage, but you're the record holder for the most "ifs". ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Redhawk- Just asking.  What's your affiliation with the team?  You have an awful lot of "inside" info.  Just curious.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 15, 2010, 05:05:03 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Redhawk- Just asking.  What's your affiliation with the team?  You have an awful lot of "inside" info.  Just curious.

What I can tell you is I played at Ripon for 4 years and have stayed in contact with players/coaches since.  As far as the rest of my story, i'll keep that hush hush:)  As for the MWC, I have been around the MWC for well over 25 years.  I was around the MWC when Coe/Cornell were still part of it and there were two divisions, North/South...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 05:36:30 PM
I hear ya.  Like I said.  I was just curious how you had such insight.  Good luck the rest of the way (less one game).  Seems like with the events of last weekend, has placed yall square in the hunt. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 15, 2010, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 05:36:30 PM
I hear ya.  Like I said.  I was just curious how you had such insight.  Good luck the rest of the way (less one game).  Seems like with the events of last weekend, has placed yall square in the hunt. 

Thanks and you also..  We have always been in the hunt, it's always been Ripon/SNC, then in the last few years, Monmouth came in and then it was 3.  But the conference is freaking me out right now with some of the teams that won last week.  We'll have to see what week 2 of Conference brings.  RC is at Grinnell, can't make that one, that's a long drive for me and for the team. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 05:54:33 PM
Hey Stick!  Welcome!  I'm not one of the old guard, but I'd like to encourage your participation.  I've only been at it a couple months, but here are a couple pointers to aid in your survival: 1) MC is down.  Kick all of them hard & often, now!  2) Beware of The Roop.  He seems harmless enough, but there's something just not right, there. 3) SNCOL is one of only a few voices of reason.  4) The Ripon guys are starting to smell blood.  Avoid them.  5) Be careful in taking me on.  Cuz in a couple years, when IC is dominating the conference, I'm gonna be a b&$#h to deal with! ;D

You heading down to J-Ville this weekend?  Let me know.  There's sooo much to do when you get there, you'll probably need some direction from one of the regulars like me. Do you like to bowl?  Cuz we can hook you up?  Movies?  Got that too.  Walmart? All y'gotta do is ask.  The weekend breakfast special at the gas station will blow you away!

So, what I'm sayin' is: Come for the football!  Stay for the fun!  ::)

Kidding aside, Welcome!  Keep it coming!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2010, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 05:54:33 PM
Hey Stick!  Welcome!  I'm not one of the old guard, but I'd like to encourage your participation.  I've only been at it a couple months, but here are a couple pointers to aid in your survival: 1) MC is down.  Kick all of them hard & often, now!  2) Beware of The Roop.  He seems harmless enough, but there's something just not right, there. 3) SNCOL is one of only a few voices of reason.  4) The Ripon guys are starting to smell blood.  Avoid them.  5) Be careful in taking me on.  Cuz in a couple years, when IC is dominating the conference, I'm gonna be a b&$#h to deal with! ;D


I would say that some of the MWC teams are bleeding right now
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 15, 2010, 06:44:40 PM
Yeah.  I'd imagine you'd have gotten some pretty good odds against MC & SNC each being 0-2...  I'd like to say I called it, but I'm saving that for the end of the season when IC shocks the world...  Kidding!  Kinda. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 15, 2010, 07:26:31 PM
I am loving all the "Chit Chat" about who is down and who is smelling blood.  :)

So let's see. Beloit controls their own destination. Of course so do half the teams in the conference.

So what I view in this whole situation is basically what I have said all along. Win Conference. And right now I like SNC's chances just as much as I did before conference play. The only difference is that I need Beloit to lose 2 of the next 8 games. SNC still has to win out as they did before last week. Let's see, who out there is going to step up to the table and knock off Beloit?    ???  I need 2 of you to speak up!  Are all of you worried about Beloit now?  There a pretty good offense. Maybe no one can.


But I still like our odds.  8-)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2010, 07:51:34 PM
Every team in the conference needs to win out to, so no one is out of it.  But some teams are hurting a little more than others right now....

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 15, 2010, 07:26:31 PM
I am loving all the "Chit Chat" about who is down and who is smelling blood.  :)

So let's see. Beloit controls their own destination. Of course so do half the teams in the conference.

So what I view in this whole situation is basically what I have said all along. Win Conference. And right now I like SNC's chances just as much as I did before conference play. The only difference is that I need Beloit to lose 2 of the next 8 games. SNC still has to win out as they did before last week. Let's see, who out there is going to step up to the table and knock off Beloit?    ???  I need 2 of you to speak up!  Are all of you worried about Beloit now?  There a pretty good offense. Maybe no one can.


But I still like our odds.  8-)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Ripon @ Beloit coming up worries me a little.  With the exception of '07 Ripon hasnt played well there lately
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2010, 08:12:05 PM
Speaking of Beloit.  They are playing out the situation that Blu is hoping for down south.  In 2006 they bring in a new head coach (go 0-9).  Three years later his recruits are starting to fall in to his system and they go 5-4.  Fastforward to this year and they are no longer an overlooked game on the conference schedule, and beat the best team in the conference from the last 10 years.  Sounds like a similar situation down in J-ville with the coach, we'll have to see how that pans out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 15, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
OK. Since I have been pegged as the voice of reason around here. ( it is obvious blu has not gone back to my freshman, sophomore, or junior year of posting )

Can anyone point me to where there is official announcement about the injured players at Monmouth? It is not that I don't believe any one on this board. But it is a board. Not an official place to make announcements. A couple years ago SNC had a couple injuries to starters. It did not get published that I can remember.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 15, 2010, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 15, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
OK. Since I have been pegged as the voice of reason around here. ( it is obvious blu has not gone back to my freshman, sophomore, or junior year of posting )

Can anyone point me to where there is official announcement about the injured players at Monmouth? It is not that I don't believe any one on this board. But it is a board. Not an official place to make announcements. A couple years ago SNC had a couple injuries to starters. It did not get published that I can remember.

Thanks in advance.

Lawrence vs. Monmouth Preview (http://www.lawrence.edu/athletics/football/previews/weekthree10.pdf)
On page 4 of the game preview for Lawrence they mention that Tanney and Blodgett 'might' be out for the game, but no official word.  I dont expect anything from Monmouth.  We'll find out saturday who plays and who doesnt i guess.  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 15, 2010, 09:53:54 PM
Found this just now.

www.warrencountynews.blogspot.com/2010/09/tanney-injury-confirmed.html

So that covers Tanney. That is really a shame.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 15, 2010, 11:23:51 PM
So the supposed "voice of reason" on this board is getting his information from a MC student's blog???   ;)

Either way, you gotta like a QB named Brik!  (Hope he doesn't play basketball, too.)   :D

Looking forward to more of the chatter about Mt. Beloit's Purple Buccaneers and the U-W Ripon Red Warhawks.  But I still think that SNC and MC can play the role of dream crushers this year.   :'(

Unreasonably submitted,  ::)

Scottie   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 16, 2010, 01:03:13 AM
Relying on an opponent's preview to know what players are healthy to or not isn't the best resource. A couple of year's ago for the men's basketball conference tournament in Grinnell they had Wes Ladwig for as possibly going to play. I was going to Carroll at the time and I knew the injury and knew there was no way he would be playing that weekend. Coaching staffs have a tendency to be very vague with injuries so it looks like there is a possibility of their star player is playing.

I understand Tanney is really out but this just a word of caution when reading an opponent's SID's game previw.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 07:27:45 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 15, 2010, 07:26:31 PM
I am loving all the "Chit Chat" about who is down and who is smelling blood.  :)

So let's see. Beloit controls their own destination. Of course so do half the teams in the conference.

So what I view in this whole situation is basically what I have said all along. Win Conference. And right now I like SNC's chances just as much as I did before conference play. The only difference is that I need Beloit to lose 2 of the next 8 games. SNC still has to win out as they did before last week. Let's see, who out there is going to step up to the table and knock off Beloit?    ???  I need 2 of you to speak up!  Are all of you worried about Beloit now?  There a pretty good offense. Maybe no one can.


But I still like our odds.  8-)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Oh Great Voice of Reason ;), no worries!  IC's got your back.  The train will be rolling full-steam when we take the field against Beloit on 11/6.  Which of the rest of these namby-pambies will step up I cannot say. I fear this may cost me a t-shirt, but.. Y'gotta do what y'gotta do... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 07:35:22 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 15, 2010, 11:23:51 PM
So the supposed "voice of reason" on this board is getting his information from a MC student's blog???   ;)
Dude, I'm detecting some sarcasm, here. Are you saying these blogs and message boards aren't the best resource for information? ???  Crap!  My bookie's gonna love me this week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 16, 2010, 08:59:59 AM
Since blu is heading off to his bookie, RoopVegas says take Beloit -12.5 over Carroll this week with an over/under of 53.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 09:05:45 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 16, 2010, 08:59:59 AM
Since blu is heading off to his bookie, RoopVegas says take Beloit -12.5 over Carroll this week with an over/under of 53.
I'm taking Beloit and the 12.5, and the over.  But it's only a 2-star.  All 5-star wagers will be based on the inside poop I get from Redhawk on all Ripon tilts... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 16, 2010, 10:03:31 AM
Well...its Thursday.  Lets start pickin.  Hopefully my picks aren't as bad as last week.


Carroll   Beloit   Waukesha, WI 1:00 p.m.  I'm going with Beloit by 2 scores

Grinnell   Ripon   Grinnell, IA 1:00:00 PM    Ripon by at least 21

Knox   St. Norbert   Galesburg, IL 1:00:00 PM   Norbert by as many as they possibly can to get some confidence back

Illinois College   Lake Forest   Jacksonville, Ill. 1:00:00 PM  IC get their first win

Lawrence   Monmouth   Appleton, WI 1:00:00 PM    MC by at least 14.  The new caller shows he is capable to lead this team.

Good luck to everyone.  Could be another interesting weekend!

As for everyone talking about Ripon throwing the ball at the end of the game.  We aren't playing high school football here.  This is college and their are rankings that determine where you go in the playoffs.  All is fair as long as you know that you might get it when it comes back to you.  Do you think that when USC plays some crappy team, that they are worried about hurting someones feelings?  Come on....graduate from the high school attitutude and step into the real world. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 16, 2010, 11:13:10 AM
Hey SNC- I don't have the "Official" word but I can tell you I am sure of. Blodgett out for the season. Tanney 4weeks- season. Most likely the season.  Shepard's injury ??????.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 16, 2010, 11:21:54 AM
Let's see if this works. You'd think that the University of Chicago, the only team to win at Mt. Beloit this year, would be getting some 1st place votes after rolling over perennial power Concordia (IL). It's just more MWC hating by the establishment isn't it scottie ??? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2010, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 16, 2010, 11:21:54 AM
Let's see if this works. You'd think that the University of Chicago, the only team to win at Mt. Beloit this year, would be getting some 1st place votes after rolling over perennial power Concordia (IL). It's just more MWC hating by the establishment isn't it scottie ??? 

I think "the man" is sticking it to the MWC by also keeping Wartburg so far down in the "others receiving votes" category.  Clearly, they should ranked by now.  All I know is that if all of these players redshirt, there should be a certain MWC team in there as a pre-season top 10 team for 2011 - but I'll fight that battle another day.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 16, 2010, 11:42:08 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on September 16, 2010, 01:03:13 AM
Relying on an opponent's preview to know what players are healthy to or not isn't the best resource. A couple of year's ago for the men's basketball conference tournament in Grinnell they had Wes Ladwig for as possibly going to play. I was going to Carroll at the time and I knew the injury and knew there was no way he would be playing that weekend. Coaching staffs have a tendency to be very vague with injuries so it looks like there is a possibility of their star player is playing.

I understand Tanney is really out but this just a word of caution when reading an opponent's SID's game previw.

Yeah true, since LU's SID is probably getting his info from moncolfan  ;)
At the time it was all I could find
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 16, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
My picks for week 2: (3-2 last week as most of the board did)

Ripon @ Grinnell - Ripon by 17
SNC @ Knox - SNC by 21
Lake Forest @ IC - IC by 14
Monmouth @ Lawrence - Monmouth by 20

Game of the Week:
Beloit @ Carroll - Beloit by 7

Not a good week to be at home unless your IC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 16, 2010, 02:08:47 PM
My Picks:

Ripon @ Grinnell - Ripon by 21 - atleast 1 Def. touchdown
SNC @ Knox - SNC by 21
Lake Forest @ IC - LF by 3.... They were embarrased last week, I think they come swinging..... Sorry Blu...
Monmouth @ Lawrence - Monmouth by 28

Game of the Week:
Beloit @ Carroll - Beloit by 10

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 16, 2010, 02:08:47 PM
Lake Forest @ IC - LF by 3.... They were embarrased last week, I think they come swinging..... Sorry Blu...
No need to apologize.  Listen, I get crazy thoughts all the time.  Without someone looking over my shoulder, I even occasionally post them.  It happens.  The important thing is that we learn from our mistakes. You wanted to do something bold here.  Stupid, but bold.  I get it.  Hundreds of years ago, there were folks that thought Columbus was crazy to think the world wasn't flat.  Now, Dude's got cities named after him.  Of course, in this scenario, I'm Columbus.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 03:44:49 PM
This week:

Ripon @ Grinnell - Grinnel @ home in a close one.  (Hawk, you knew that was coming) ;D
SNC @ Knox - SNC is pissed.  This one's big.  38+
Lake Forest @ IC - IC in a laugher.  I will be there to inspire.  45-14
Beloit @ Carroll - Carroll wins at home in a surprise.  Roop burns my shirt...

Game of the week:
Klein Freshman Broncos-30
Westfield Freshman Rams-0

It'd be worse, except the head coach is in Illinois...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 16, 2010, 04:06:25 PM
Ripon @ Grinnell - Ripon 42-17
SNC @ Knox - SNC 3-2
Lake Forest @ IC - IC 35-14
Beloit @ Carroll - Beloit 28-17

Game of the Week:
Monmouth @ Lawrence - Monmouth 28-24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on September 16, 2010, 04:06:25 PM
Lake Forest @ IC - IC 35-14
The surest way to get those K's back in the positive is to keep showing you know what you're talking about.  Clearly a Knox education is more valuable than a Ripon education... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 16, 2010, 05:08:05 PM
Well I think that can of worms has been opened for the season. I'm staying out of it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 16, 2010, 07:15:52 PM
No way does SNC allow a safety to Knox.  SNC 29-0.  By the way Blu you may as well come over to the MC tailgaiting section on the 25th and collect your bet ahead of time.  The 35pts I was givin ya isn't really looking too good ;D :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 16, 2010, 08:18:47 PM
Ripon @ Grinnell - Ripon 32-21  Pulls ahead in 4th qtr
SNC @ Knox - SNC 56-7   Very ugly quick as always
Lake Forest @ IC - IC 35-14  Good 1st qtr
Beloit @ Carroll - Beloit 28-7  Over at halftime

Game of the Week:
Monmouth @ Lawrence - Monmouth 17-7  Three Fr. take over this game (QB,RB and WR) and lets not forget the Defense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 16, 2010, 07:15:52 PM
No way does SNC allow a safety to Knox.  SNC 29-0.  By the way Blu you may as well come over to the MC tailgaiting section on the 25th and collect your bet ahead of time.  The 35pts I was givin ya isn't really looking too good ;D :'(
Under the circumstances, it would be a hollow victory.  Besides, who's to say we won't encounter some difficulties.  Football's funny that way.  Let's revise it to make it interesting...  Any thoughts?  I ain't givin' you no points! ;D  Good luck this weekend! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Oh, and save me the trouble of looking up the post.  What was the prize?  Again, the 70's was very tough on me...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 16, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
Blu, how does 200 feel?  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 16, 2010, 10:30:06 PM
Start spreading the news - blu thru n thru is now the master of his domain...congrats for 200! Remember, keep your friends close, your enemies closer!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2010, 10:41:21 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 03:44:49 PM
This week:

Ripon @ Grinnell - Grinnel @ home in a close one.  (Hawk, you knew that was coming) ;D
SNC @ Knox - SNC is pissed.  This one's big.  38+
Lake Forest @ IC - IC in a laugher.  I will be there to inspire.  45-14
Beloit @ Carroll - Carroll wins at home in a surprise.  Roop burns my shirt...

Game of the week:
Klein Freshman Broncos-30
Westfield Freshman Rams-0

It'd be worse, except the head coach is in Illinois...

Yo, Blu, you forgot a game on here - one that is gaining some steam for G.O.W.  I'd wait for the Voice of Reason to let you know, but......  How 'bout a karma point for the reminder?   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 16, 2010, 10:46:23 PM
A lot of people seem to be overlooking Carroll here on the board and going with Beloit this weekend, I'm just saying if the orange and blue pull one out this weekend I won't be the first person to let you know I told you so....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 17, 2010, 08:53:57 AM
V.o.R. reporting for duty. Well the conference is sure exciting at this point. A lot of people speaking up about winning games that just 1 week ago would not have been thought of. But it is only 1 WEEK into the MWC schedule. Ease up as little. Is Grinell really going to win a couple more games? Is Beloit going to run the table? Is Monmouth going to roll over and play dead due to injuries? Is SNC folding under the pressure? Is Knox really on the rise?

I am not picking the games but do not fret. Ripon is going to be consistent as usual. Monmouth may struggle a little but they will win their share. And SNC will start in again winning games by a substantial margin in some cases.

Also, I will be at Knox. I am looking for someone going to Monmouth that wants to exchange emails or texts with game updates. Let me know.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2010, 02:32:58 PM
Picks for Week 2:

Beloit @ Carroll - CU
Ripon @ Grinnell - RC
St. Norbert @ Knox - SNC
Lake Forest @ Illinois C. - IC
Monmouth @ Lawrence - MC

Good luck Fighting Scots!  Need alot of guys to step up big-time and play with some attitude!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 17, 2010, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 16, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
Blu, how does 200 feel?  8-)
Like I grew a pair... ;)  And they're large!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 17, 2010, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 16, 2010, 10:30:06 PM
Start spreading the news - blu thru n thru is now the master of his domain...congrats for 200! Remember, keep your friends close, your enemies closer!!  ;)

I'm king of the world!!!!  Hey, anyone bringing "Godfather" quotes, rules!  Now, tell me.  Is there some kinda secret handshake, or some s##t like that?  Or, have I yet to make it to the secret society??? ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 17, 2010, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 16, 2010, 10:41:21 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 16, 2010, 03:44:49 PM
This week:

Ripon @ Grinnell - Grinnel @ home in a close one.  (Hawk, you knew that was coming) ;D
SNC @ Knox - SNC is pissed.  This one's big.  38+
Lake Forest @ IC - IC in a laugher.  I will be there to inspire.  45-14
Beloit @ Carroll - Carroll wins at home in a surprise.  Roop burns my shirt...

Game of the week:
Klein Freshman Broncos-30
Westfield Freshman Rams-0

It'd be worse, except the head coach is in Illinois...

Yo, Blu, you forgot a game on here - one that is gaining some steam for G.O.W.  I'd wait for the Voice of Reason to let you know, but......  How 'bout a karma point for the reminder?   ;D

Yo, Scottie!  I didn't even notice that I'd been blessed with the magic dust!  Barkeep, set 'em up!  K's all around!  Knox, I got you back to even...  Y'gotta keep earning 'em from here out!  I owe a few more, but only 1 per 24 hours... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 17, 2010, 04:08:44 PM
Last one for a while...  I promise!

I'm in J-Ville.  Wow!  This should be the time of the year to bring in recruits!  It's freakin' gorgeous!  Seeing my son reunited with his girlfriend was worth 100X the cost of the flight!  There are just moments that make it all worthwhile...

Good luck this weekend to all (except LF) ;)  Let's try to keep these kids healthy. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 17, 2010, 04:23:19 PM
Thanks blu. Congrats. Has to be one of the fastest, if not the fastest to 200 in history.  ;D

Packing the St Norb mobile.
Pop-up canopy---CHeck
Grill and tank?   Check
2 Coolers? Double check
GREEN KNIGHT STATUE? CHECK
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 17, 2010, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 17, 2010, 04:23:19 PM
Thanks blu. Congrats. Has to one of the fastest, if not the fastest to 200 in history.  ;D

Packing the St Norb mobile.
Pop-up canopy---CHeck
Grill and tank?   Check
2 Coolers? Double check
GREEN KNIGHT STATUE? CHECK

I wish I could get that decked out to watch the webcast.  Dont know how the pop-up canopy and RedHawk statue would work inside...
Good luck to the teams this weekend, and hopefully we dont report news of anymore players on the IR list
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 17, 2010, 05:55:34 PM
Wishing all MWC competitors a Saturday of good games and NO (major) INJURIES. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 18, 2010, 11:08:18 AM
Since the weather in Appleton isn't much different than in New Roop City, I'd say the "good guys" need a strong performance from their highly regarded  ::) running game against the Larrys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
I'm actually on SNC campus with kids, so counting on sncoldad for updates!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 18, 2010, 02:11:43 PM
SNC marches right down field on opening drive:   7 -- 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 18, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
Opening drive. Quick & easy. 7-0 Blueboys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 18, 2010, 02:18:40 PM
Berger hits Wilson for a 72 yard TD, right down the middle of the field, to make it 14 -- 0 SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 18, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
End of 1st qtr:   SNC -- 14,   Knox -- 0.   
The Knights had another chance to add points to their advantage, but fumbled inside the Knox two on their third drive of the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 18, 2010, 02:36:23 PM
Any updates for the Good Guys in Appleton are appreciated. Scottie is w/o webcast today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 18, 2010, 02:37:01 PM
Berger takes it in, early in the 2nd Qtr, to make it SNC -- 21,   Knox -- 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 02:40:14 PM
Ripon 14 - Grinnell 0 end of 1st.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 18, 2010, 02:45:46 PM
Make it 28 -- 0 SNC, as Berger hits Joe Green in the end zone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 18, 2010, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 18, 2010, 02:36:23 PM
Any updates for the Good Guys in Appleton are appreciated. Scottie is w/o webcast today.

LU - 6  MC - 0
8:46 in the 2nd
Lawrence QB just had a crazy 80 yd TD run, missed XP

The Ripon/Grinnell game is the only webcast not working......
RedHawk, keep those updates coming
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 18, 2010, 02:56:32 PM
Carroll up 14-7 and threatening to add more as they drive inside the 10.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 18, 2010, 03:00:50 PM
LU - 6   MC - 6  (two missed XP's)

3:00 left in the half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:00:56 PM
21-0 RC  RC's special teams is amazing!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 18, 2010, 03:03:09 PM
Carroll up 20- 7 before half....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 18, 2010, 03:04:29 PM
Berger runs in another one, with 32 seconds left in the first half.   Now  35 -- 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 18, 2010, 03:09:24 PM
Carroll up 20-14 before half...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Football on September 18, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
LU-19  MC-6  halftime.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:18:15 PM
27-0 RC faked extra point failed
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 18, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
Theme of the day is missed XP's with 6 total
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:27:06 PM
Redman - you at the larry's game?  If so, fill me in on why monmouth is down?  Larry's that good?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:39:22 PM
RC/Grinnell game delayed due to storms....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: peteSNCFan on September 18, 2010, 03:41:48 PM
Berger scores his third running TD of the game to make it 42 -- 0 SNC with 7:29 left in the third qtr.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 18, 2010, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:27:06 PM
Redman - you at the larry's game?  If so, fill me in on why monmouth is down?  Larry's that good?
I'm watching that game online since the Ripon game isnt working
LU - 19  MC - 20  8:00min left in 3rd
Monmouth scored and then returns a INT for a touchdown next Larry drive
LU has had some big plays on offense and has been consistent, few mistakes.  Monmouth has had quite a few penalties on offense and caused drives to stall. MC is taking the momentum now..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:45:57 PM
I'm watching the Ripon game online....  they have a 1/2 hour rain delay right now...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 18, 2010, 03:47:27 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:45:57 PM
I'm watching the Ripon game online....  they have a 1/2 hour rain delay right now...
What website? Becuase I cant get that game to work.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 18, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
Another interception monmouth...at Larry 15.  Penatly  holding first and 20 from 25.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 03:49:30 PM
the link from the website....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 18, 2010, 03:52:11 PM
49-0 SNC 1 min to go in 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 18, 2010, 03:52:32 PM
monmouth field goal 23-19 monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 18, 2010, 03:58:05 PM
another pick...monmouth ball at midfield
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 18, 2010, 03:59:48 PM
There is a link to the Ripon webcast here: http://www.grinnell.edu/athletics/football
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 18, 2010, 04:08:20 PM
another monmouth score...Brik widekind with a 13 yard diving scramble.  30-19 monmouth.  They are starting to look like they are rolling like old now.  beating a team that they should be in a dominating second half.  Slow start was rough to watch online, but they are just running all over Larry now.  Nick Law is just pounding the ball down the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 18, 2010, 04:10:01 PM
 LU is just not very sharp, it was just a matter of time.  Offense has a little more confidence now.

Overall though, MC just a completely different team w/ all these new players.  It's gonna be a battle all season long.  Just a very different type of season in store compared to the last few years for the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 04:13:32 PM
IC update?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 18, 2010, 04:15:01 PM
A disapointing 13-7 Blueboy lead at half. After a crisp opening drive, the offense lost their focus. Coaches will redirect the teams attention at half. Then it's lookout LF!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 18, 2010, 04:18:21 PM
Order being restored. After picking LF, the good guys punched it in on 4th down. 27-7 with 1 min. left in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 18, 2010, 04:24:40 PM
Final 49-0 SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
Right now they are talking about possibly calling the RC game due to the thunderstorms.  I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 18, 2010, 04:51:22 PM
Scots get themselves in the win column...

Monmouth 30, Lawrence 25
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 18, 2010, 04:52:50 PM
wow...LU got another score, but monmouth ran out the clock.  game

30-25 monmouth.  Monmouth was the better team, but LU looked okay.  Quick start for Larry was scary, but MC got the job done.  Scores everywhere else?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 05:15:06 PM
RC is still in a rain delay, not sure if they are going to finish the game today.  The options from what the guy on the radio is saying(doesn't really have a clue) thinks either tonight at the hs field, since they have lights, or tomorrow to finish out the second half.  They are going to have to make a decision soon, once they hit 4:30, they won't be able to finish the game before dark.  So we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 18, 2010, 05:27:44 PM
We have a final from England Field. IC 27- LF 7. That Coach Eckland sure got the team ready for the second half! Dude should get a raise! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 05:32:01 PM
Game will start back up in 10 min.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 18, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Final in Waukesha... Carroll 33 Beloit 21, Carroll takes back the Pio-Buc Trophy!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:08:44 PM
34-0 rc..  interception, then 51y td run on first o play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:12:49 PM
34-7 RC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:17:17 PM
34-14... RC fumbled, GC recovered, 2 plays TD GC..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:23:10 PM
41 - 14 RC - 2 Plays 25 and 25 yard runs by the full back!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:29:48 PM
41 - 21... GC - pass play for 49 yard TD..  They switched QB's at half time and brought on a sophmore, he is good!  Can run..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:30:32 PM
ps - 5 TD's in 1 quarter so far 3.28 left in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
This GC anouncer is an Idiot!! ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:40:36 PM
48-21 - Not sure how they scored, was changing my kids diaper, lol. :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 18, 2010, 06:41:33 PM
Didnt want to break your streak here, but 42 points in the 3rd quarter.  Wheres the defense???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:42:49 PM
End of 3rd - 48-21 RC... Defence got scared of the thunderstorms and didn't want to come out.... lol.. 6 TD's in the 3rd....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:44:41 PM
GC never really had their defence, but Ripon for some reason can't figure out how to stop this new QB.  He is a run threat and a pass threat. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:52:35 PM
RC gets the first D-stand of the 2nd half on thier own 3 yard line.  Then GC gets a stand also. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 06:53:57 PM
#2 for GC is a STUD!!!  They are lucky to have him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 07:16:45 PM
Final RC 48 GC 21...  Poorly played 4th quarter..  But anouther W for the good guys!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
Off subject, but why did all my updating posts not count towards my total posts?  They all stayed at 62?!

Doesn't sound like any major injuries this week, thats always good....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 18, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
Was only able to watch the 1st half of CU vs. BC but the Buc defense clearly mailed this one in. Offense wasn't exactly up to par either. Had the Wisconsin-Arizona St. game on at work and tackling is apparently a lost art at the D1 level as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 18, 2010, 07:32:06 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
Off subject, but why did all my updating posts not count towards my total posts?  They all stayed at 62?!

Doesn't sound like any major injuries this week, thats always good....

Each post does not have what number of post it was for you, just the total number of posts you have made.  Observation now would probably have you believe that the number stayed on 63...

(I think)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2010, 08:37:32 PM
updated standings

Carroll  2-0
Ripon  2-0  
Grinnell  1-1
Beloit  1-1   
Illinois College  1-1   
Lawrence  1-1  
Monmouth  1-1 
St. Norbert  1-1   
Knox  0-2 
Lake Forest  0-2  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2010, 08:43:51 PM
Carrol and Ripon at Ripon this Saturday.  After that game, there will be only 1 with 0 Losses...  Big game!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 19, 2010, 09:10:22 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on September 17, 2010, 04:23:19 PM
Thanks blu. Congrats. Has to be one of the fastest, if not the fastest to 200 in history.  ;D

Don't know if that's a compliment, or not... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 19, 2010, 03:28:46 PM
Carroll @Ripon should be the game of the week. I'm near tears right now but if you are a Beloit fan you must root for Ripon  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 19, 2010, 05:43:04 PM
If you're a Beloit fan you should ALWAYS be a Ripon fan, gives you something to look forward too...  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 19, 2010, 06:14:41 PM
This may be more of a basketball thing but I once asked JeffP "What would you do if you needed a Ripon win for Grinnell to make the playoffs ?" He said cry. I agreed if the same scenario involved Beloit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 20, 2010, 09:06:29 AM
Well, I'm back from my trip to J-Ville.  My return to Texas raised the average IQ of both states...

What a great experience and time.  What I witnessed only bolstered my enthusiasm for the coming years.  The off-field spirit is matching the youth movement on the field.  We had a great tailgating experience.  The spirit and support for the program is growing.  It's going to do nothing but improve the recruiting and performance of the team for the years to come. 

One thing was kinda funny.  Apparently one of the coaches reads the board.  When I walked up on the Friday walk-thru, I see this big dude walking toward me.  It's one of the coaches.  He gets to about 10' away and says "Blu Thru and Thru!".  He said he just had to meet me.  Problem is, now my wife knows of my guilty pleasure...  I guess I gotta be careful what I say now. ;D

The game was good.  When we were focused, we dominated.  Particularly on the ground.  It's my opinion that after the first drive, we let up a little.  Same in the second half.  Of course, that could've been the D getting stuff figured out, too.  I have some other observations, but my comments may be being monitored.  ;)

But in summary, my first MWC game was a blast.  The level of play was very good.  My son is in the right place.  He's being brought along well, and getting the first coaching in his career.  The families I met were great.  No high school political BS!  Just folks enthusiastically supporting Blueboy football.  I think they'll have a lot to cheer about in the coming years.  For the rest of yall in the MWC, get your shots in now!  Blueboy Nation is on the rise!!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 20, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
blu, I was wondering how long it would take for a coach to approach you. Mine came very early in the freshman year but went through my son. The coach very nicely let him know I was out there and my son delivered the message.

In fact this past weekend after our game, one of the coaches brought up your name to me. :) You are becoming quite the celebrity out there.  :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 20, 2010, 09:35:17 AM
Speaking of coaches, congrats to Coach Bell for becoming the winningest football coach at Monmouth College!  (I never thought I would be so relieved with a win over Lawrence!)   :D

And, I think the aforementioned JeffP knows a thing or two about coaches reading the board and could perhaps tell a cautionary tale - huh Roop?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 20, 2010, 10:21:57 AM
well the old Scots showed up for a quarter at least! Just wondering maybe if Mr. Football with his inside knowledge and expertise has a spread for the game on Saturday vs IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 20, 2010, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 20, 2010, 09:06:29 AM

What a great experience and time.  What I witnessed only bolstered my enthusiasm for the coming years.  The off-field spirit is matching the youth movement on the field.  We had a great tailgating experience.  The spirit and support for the program is growing.  It's going to do nothing but improve the recruiting and performance of the team for the years to come.


I love your enthusiasm, I really do.  But I'm curious to know how the tailgating experience is going to improve recruiting and performance on the field. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 20, 2010, 11:08:52 AM
Celebrity, eh?  More like the lone idiot beating a drum nobody can really hear.  I'm doing what I can with what I have to work with.  "Celebrity", to the extent it is available on this board, comes when you're words ring true.  IC has a ways to go before I have the ammo to go from "rant & rhetoric" to a real contributor with words to be taken seriously.  But two things.  1) It's coming.  2) Y'all will rue the day that it does! ;D 

Honestly, I see a little bit of Mack Brown in Campbell's approach.  His attention to all the details (on and off the field) shows an understanding that it's in those details that programs advance.  Oh, and I'm not just saying that b/c they may be reading it.  It's a common sentiment of all the parents we met this weekend. ;)

Blueboy Nation is on the Rise!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 20, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
Hawk- Meaning absolutely no disrespect, I'm surprised that you'd not get that.  Fan support, enthusiastic administrative support, a more energetic gameday experience are all components in making yourself (the program) more attractive to potential recruits. Spirit and creating a program that is worthy of taking pride in, is beneficially symbiotic to on field success.   Though less tangible, spirit, support, and enthusiasm impact winning.   Winning programs are more attractive to potential players (call me Captain Obvious).  There is a lot of intangible synergy in developing a program.  A charismatic coach, with the above ammo, is a big part too.  My observation is that the growing enthusiasm for IC football is somewhat new.  Though that's based on limited exposure...  But take me at my word that the spirit at IC is VERY MUCH on the rise!

I have spent time with Mack Brown.  The man flat out gets it.  There is no more charismatic a coach in the NCAA, period.  And that's a big part.  I'm not comparing Campbell to Mack Brown, but Campbell gets it, too.  He's also a good salesman, selling a good, and fast improving, product. Mack Brown's attention to every detail has created, inarguably, a recruiting juggernaut, and the NCAA's most powerful program.  Campbell is paying attention to this as well.  Again, please don't think I'm comparing IC to UT.  Nor am I saying that's Campbell's model.  But to study Brown's blueprint is to learn that development is ALL in the details. And, ultimately, the best answer to your question.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 20, 2010, 05:06:11 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 19, 2010, 06:14:41 PM
This may be more of a basketball thing but I once asked JeffP "What would you do if you needed a Ripon win for Grinnell to make the playoffs ?" He said cry. I agreed if the same scenario involved Beloit.


I'd rather miss the playoffs......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 20, 2010, 11:55:32 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 20, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
Hawk- Meaning absolutely no disrespect, I'm surprised that you'd not get that.  Fan support, enthusiastic administrative support, a more energetic gameday experience are all components in making yourself (the program) more attractive to potential recruits. Spirit and creating a program that is worthy of taking pride in, is beneficially symbiotic to on field success.   Though less tangible, spirit, support, and enthusiasm impact winning.   Winning programs are more attractive to potential players (call me Captain Obvious).  There is a lot of intangible synergy in developing a program.  A charismatic coach, with the above ammo, is a big part too. 

Agree 110%
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 21, 2010, 12:22:39 AM
Gonna be away from a computer for awhile so gonna make early predictions
Carroll @ Ripon-------------Ripon 35-24
Grinnell @ Lake Forest----GC 31-21
Lawrence @ St. Norbert--SNC 35-7
Knox @ Beloit---------------Beloit 42-14

Game of the Week
IC @ Monmouth-------------IC 28-27
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 21, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on September 21, 2010, 12:22:39 AM
Game of the Week
IC @ Monmouth-------------IC 28-27
You're either really stepping up your game and very insightful, or you're sucking up for the easy K!  Either way, +K! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2010, 11:49:09 AM
Monmouth trailed at the half last week so I don't think a close game with IC is that far fetched. The rest of the games should be self explanatory although I don't think Carroll-Ripon will be that high scoring.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 21, 2010, 11:55:57 AM
Agree with the scores here, except that IC and Monmouth could go either way, it'll be close.  I think the game of the week though goes to Ripon vs. Carroll.  The last time this year two undefeated teams will play and its only week 3.  The intensity of the Ripon vs. Carroll games in the past 5 years have been crazy, so I think this will be a great game.

Grinnell(1-1) 42 @ Lake Forest(0-2) 13
SNC(1-1)35 vs. Lawrence(1-1) 14
Knox(0-2) 6 @ Beloit(1-1) 28
IC(1-1) 21 @ Monmouth(1-1) 21

Game of the Week
Ripon(3-0) 31 vs. Carroll(3-0) 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 21, 2010, 02:13:46 PM
Carroll @ Ripon-------------Ripon 42-10
Grinnell @ Lake Forest----GC 35-7
Lawrence @ St. Norbert--SNC 35-7
Knox @ Beloit---------------Beloit 42-3

Game of the Week
IC @ Monmouth-------------MC 31-20

I think Ripon will put itself head and shoulders above the conference this weekend.  Grinnell, Norbert and Beloit with an easy win.  Monmouth D will give up two scores, but otherwise play solid and the offense will work off of last week and put up some points, possibly three or maybe even four scores.  I think the only game that has a chance to be close is MC-IC

Hey Blue....you coming to Monmouth or is that trip up from the Nation of Texas a once a year deal.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 21, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
Carroll 24 - Ripon 31 (tougher than expected)
Grinnell 28 - Lake Forest 10 (LF wins field pos. battle with strong punting, but loses)
Lawrence 10 - St. Norbert 35
Knox - 7 - Beloit 28

Game of the Week
IC 24 - MC 17
(IC's well coached running game gashes an unsuspecting MC D.  Adrenaline wears off of MC frosh QB as inexperienced line is overwhelmed by attacking IC D!  (4) years of IC domination of the series begins this weekend!) ;D

Not making it to MC this weekend.  Next trip is for homecoming on 10/16.  We have Know (who is, coincidentally, on the rise) for what is sure to be a game with major implications on the MWC title! 8-)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 21, 2010, 07:11:20 PM
Sorry to hear you are not making the game Blu.  I was all set to invite you to do some tailgating. Well maybe I will catch up with you down at IC next year.  If you are watching on the net look for a guy with a couple of deep fried turkey drumsticks hanging out of his pockets.  That would be me!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 21, 2010, 07:42:49 PM
Amen to the turkey drumsticks.  Any time you can eat meat right off the bone before watching football is a good day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 21, 2010, 09:31:36 PM
Y'know, I'd really like to be there.  And I believe will make it there someday.  If my kid were playing, I'd likely be there this weekend.  Add the possiblity of fried turkey, and you'd have to build a fence to keep me from it.

If anyone is heading to IC for the Knox game, look me up.  I think I'm cooking pulled pork.  I'll make you a sandwich you won't soon forget! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2010, 10:22:17 PM
Could you whip up some briskit for the Beloit game ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 21, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 21, 2010, 10:22:17 PM
Could you whip up some briskit for the Beloit game ??

Logistically, problematic.  I'd have to make about five of them and I need a smoker and about 12+ hours.  Chili may be in order.  Especially it being November and freakin' Wisconsin... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 21, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 21, 2010, 11:55:57 AM
IC(1-1) 21 @ Monmouth(1-1) 21

A tie???   ???   ::)   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2010, 11:26:27 PM
The IC faithful must travel pretty well if you'd need 5. Next time I'm down there I'll ask around and may be able to hook you up with the appropriate equipment. Although chili works too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 21, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: BoBo on September 21, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 21, 2010, 11:55:57 AM
IC(1-1) 21 @ Monmouth(1-1) 21

A tie???   ???   ::)   ;)

I was going to go with the 21.5-21 score but I thought a 21-21 8 OT score would be more appealing
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 22, 2010, 07:06:25 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 21, 2010, 11:26:27 PM
The IC faithful must travel pretty well if you'd need 5. 

While the IC travel squad will continue to grow, we're not there yet.  I was figuring 2 for the IC crowd and 3 for the Beloit fans once they get a whif of Texas cooking... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 22, 2010, 07:50:40 AM
You will find that some schools do not travel very well in support of their team. What will really throw you off is how some schools don't even show up for home games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 09:41:52 AM
What SNCOLDAD means, but is too polite to say, is that if the visitors section fills up there will be plenty of seats available on the Beloit side. 2 briskits will be plenty unless Dillon Hess comes from a big family that makes the trip north of Conroe.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 22, 2010, 09:43:16 AM
I thought DAD was referring to the overpacked SNC library on Saturday afternoons.....    ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 22, 2010, 10:05:09 AM
Admittedly my experience is limited but from what I've seen St Norberts brings some of the largest contingencies of fans to away games.  The crowds they've brought when they've played at UW-W are easily among the largest that we've seen including our significant conference rivals.  They travel really well.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 22, 2010, 10:08:36 AM
Not with the new stadium scottie. And Roop, Knox was right there with your team as far as fans.

I have to say the excitement around SNC with this new stadium is awesome. Not just for football, but that is huge right now.

Thanks for the comment warhawk. I am really proud to be a part of the traveling group. It is interesting to see SRO on the visitors side and very few fans on the home side at some of the venues.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
My Pics this week.  Blu - Good Game last week... 

Grinnell 35- Lake Forest 10 - Grinnell is WAY better then Lake Forest, LF might not win a game.
Lawrence 10 - St. Norbert 42 - I think that it might end being higher, but I'll give LU a chance..
Knox - 17 - Beloit 28
IC 24 - MC 17

Game of the Week
Carroll 27 - Ripon 49 - Carroll Puts some points on the board, but can't stop Ripon's O and Special Teams....  Easy pic for GOW, only undefeated teams in left playing each other!!  Also RC's Homecoming!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
Ripon-Carroll is going to be more like 17-14. (Pick your own winner) Not sure why so many have suffered head injuries this week and are predicting a high scoring affair but please wake up and smell the Saints Rest Coffee.

Beloit needs to put up 70 on Knox or they should join the UMAC. Not sure if Grinnell can score 35 but they are playing Lake Forest. I like the 42-10 SNC-LU score.

IC rolls Monmouth by 3 scores. Tanney or not the Scots graduated too many O-linemen and this year was going to be suspect. I believe I said that at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 22, 2010, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
My Pics this week.  Blu - Good Game last week... 
Yeah, it was all me...   LF's best player was there punter.  He could really change the field.  We had about 275 rushing, I think.  We moved it well, but seemed to have trouble in the red zone.  LF could have taken better advantage of the way we were playing their receivers.  They had some fast receivers, but truly not as fast as we were making them look.  We didn't appear to be respecting their QB's ability to go over the top.  Particularly in the first half, it seemed as though they kept getting past us.  It forced our DB's to play catch-up with their backs to the ball.  LF came a short red curly one from being up 14-13 at the half... :o

Second half was much better.  I texted the coach all the halftime adjustments they needed.  Only in response to his asking me for my oh so valuable opinion.  That got things squared away... ;D  I'm a little shaky about my pick this week. With me not being there, and all... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:19:07 PM
Your not being there is why they win by 3 scores..................... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 22, 2010, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
IC rolls Monmouth by 3 scores. Tanney or not the Scots graduated too many O-linemen and this year was going to be suspect. I believe I said that at the end of last season.

Chili for all! +K!  Roop, your insight into this league continues to astound. Your like a D3 savant...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 22, 2010, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:19:07 PM
Your not being there is why they win by 3 scores..................... ;D
Can't argue that!  Even my pee-wee team knows it! Nevertheless, NO CHILI FOR YOU! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:27:14 PM
I'm not an expert on the Monmouth situation. Some call it graduation, others say ineligible. You'd have to ask Scottie for an off the record definition.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 22, 2010, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 22, 2010, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:19:07 PM
Your not being there is why they win by 3 scores..................... ;D
Can't argue that!  Even my pee-wee team knows it! Nevertheless, NO CHILI FOR YOU! ;)

The Chili Nazi is out uh oh
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 22, 2010, 08:47:11 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
please wake up and smell the Saints Rest Coffee.
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:09:27 PM



IC rolls Monmouth by 3 scores.


Roop, that would be +K AND -K, respectively.   :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
That makes sense scottie. I'm just like Fox news. Fair and balanced.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 08:59:22 PM
I just made a right wing comment. Where fore art thou Jeff P ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 22, 2010, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
That makes sense scottie. I'm just like Fox news. Fair and balanced.
Poor Roop!  Y'just can't win... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 09:56:48 PM
W
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2010, 09:42:24 AM
Careful, Roop....that could come awfully close to provoking an Illinois President v. Texas President debate among certain members of this board.  I'm sure nobody wants that.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 23, 2010, 09:51:05 AM
scottie, thanks for being the VoR on that one. I have been busy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 23, 2010, 10:54:33 AM
I just don't understand these comments about the MC O line.  In three games, I think you can coun't the sacks on two hands if not one.  I think the o line is fine.  The problem is the loss of recievers.  You don't have any more big play recievers.  You graduated 4 of them last year and two more are hurt this year.  The line is fine.  They ran the ball with authority in the second half at LU.  Will be a good game this weekend.  It will not be a blowout.  Book it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 23, 2010, 11:13:11 AM
I don't know anything about MC's O line but it will take two hands to count the sacks (7).  ;)
On 98 passing attempts.  That's tied for 7th in the league.  Only Beloit has given up more.

I have to admit I'm surprised to see so many of you pick IC over them this weekend.  Is that primarily because of the loss of Tanney? Too much blu koolaide?  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2010, 11:35:34 AM
Blu kool aid, blu bbq sauce, blu cheese, blu name it!       :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 23, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
IC by three scores? Anyone wanna actually make a wager on that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 23, 2010, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
Ripon-Carroll is going to be more like 17-14. (Pick your own winner) Not sure why so many have suffered head injuries this week and are predicting a high scoring affair but please wake up and smell the Saints Rest Coffee.

At Home on Home Coming?  It is not going to be a 3 point game.  That is crazy!!!  I'll five you that Carroll might be held to 14 points, but I am confident that RC will put up AT LEAST 28 on them, if not more....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 23, 2010, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 23, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
IC by three scores? Anyone wanna actually make a wager on that.
I think we already have one... I believe you're laying 35... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2010, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 23, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
IC by three scores? Anyone wanna actually make a wager on that.

Are any of those scores touchdowns? :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 23, 2010, 02:21:45 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 23, 2010, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 22, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
Ripon-Carroll is going to be more like 17-14. (Pick your own winner) Not sure why so many have suffered head injuries this week and are predicting a high scoring affair but please wake up and smell the Saints Rest Coffee.

At Home on Home Coming?  It is not going to be a 3 point game.  That is crazy!!!  I'll five you that Carroll might be held to 14 points, but I am confident that RC will put up AT LEAST 28 on them, if not more....

Even though they were the better team, Ripon lost to Carroll three years ago on their homecoming. This game will be close, but Ripon should win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 23, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
As there is some confusion regarding 3 scores. IC 37 MC 16. But I'll still respect scottie as much as I always have.  ::)

Neither team scores 20 in the Ripon-Carroll game. Get over it.................... Defense is the word and both teams have it.

Here endeth the lesson.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 23, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
Both teams are 1,2 in offense and defense.  The last time that happened in a Ripon game, that I recall, is Monmouth vs Ripon in '08 when both teams were 1,2 stats wise and the score was 35-38.  I still think the game will be 31-21, in favor of the Red guys of course  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 23, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 23, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
Neither team scores 20 in the Ripon-Carroll game. Get over it.................... Defense is the word and both teams have it.

Here endeth the lesson.
If both teams score under 20 i will hand deliver you an "I told you so"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 23, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
You'd be hand delivering my pick then................................... I don't quite understand your logic.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2010, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 23, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
As there is some confusion regarding 3 scores. IC 37 MC 16. But I'll still respect scottie as much as I always have.  ::)


And, once again.... +/- K.    :D

If the good guys gave up 27 to Wartburg, I don't think they'll allow 37 to little boy blu.  I'll say that the first one to 28 wins.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 23, 2010, 04:27:05 PM
OK. IC 28 MC 7. It meets all the criteria and my opinion of scottie has not changed.  :D Just pretend it was a baseball game and you lost 4-1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 23, 2010, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 23, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 23, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
Neither team scores 20 in the Ripon-Carroll game. Get over it.................... Defense is the word and both teams have it.

Here endeth the lesson.
If both teams score under 20 i will hand deliver you an "I told you so"

Make that a "You told me so"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on September 24, 2010, 08:19:17 AM
Here are my picks for this weekends games....

Monmouth vs IC.... Monmouth 28 IC 24 in a close one

Lake Forest vs Grinnell..... Grinnell 35 Lake Forest 14

SNC vs LU.... SNC 35 LU 6

Beloit vs Knox.... Beloit 42 Knox 12

Game of the Week

Carroll vs Ripon.... Carroll 28 Ripon 21... This is a game that will go back and forth and have some ugly parts at times as I'm sure every Carroll/Ripon game does.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 24, 2010, 11:54:16 AM
Ya Blu- and I was just hoping to cut my losses. But like I said I'll stand by my bet with u and after watching the games this year I doubt I would have won with Tanney any way. I still am picking the Scots in this one by 6.  26-20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2010, 02:40:52 PM
Picks for Week 3:

Illinois C. @ Monmouth - MC
Grinnell @ Lake Forest - GC
Carroll @ Ripon - RC
Lawrence @ St. Norbert - SNC
Knox @ Beloit - BC

Good luck Fighting Scots!  Let's show btnt that the IC revolution isn't starting anytime soon! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2010, 04:12:12 PM
Monmouth BIG!

G E T   Y O U R   R E D   K O O L  A I D   R I G H T   H E R E ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 24, 2010, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 24, 2010, 04:12:12 PM
Monmouth BIG!

G E T   Y O U R   R E D   K O O L  A I D   R I G H T   H E R E ! ! ! !

Let the Kool-Aide wars begin!  ;)

FREE PAIR OF BLU COLORED GLASSES WITH PURCHASE OF BLU KOOL-AIDE!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 24, 2010, 05:36:09 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 24, 2010, 02:40:52 PM

Good luck Fighting Scots!  Let's show btnt that the IC revolution isn't starting anytime soon! :D

I'm thinkin' MC must be feeling a kinship with Notre Dame.  Oh, what we used to be... ;D

Welcome to the new blu world! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2010, 05:37:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-rTHOpgxE

T H E   R I V E R S   A R E   G O N N A   R U N   R E D . . . . . O H   Y E A H ! ! ! ! !   ;D  >:(  :o  8-)  :-X


p.s.  Is it 5:00 yet?? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 24, 2010, 06:32:34 PM
Dude- You seriously have waaaaay too much time on your hands.  But I gotta give you a K for creative use of visual "Kool" aids...  (That sounded better in my head, I'm sure.) ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 03:24:47 AM
blu if you ever get to meet scottie you might understand some of the things he says. None of it will make any sense but it will clue you in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 25, 2010, 11:58:31 AM
I will be away from the computer all day  >:(, so if anyone is at or watching the Ripon vs. Carroll game please update scores on here as often as you can.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 01:44:28 PM
Sitting at Schneider Stadium in De Pere with my 6yo daughter and nice - but bit cool - Saturday.

They have been posting out of town scores on scoreboard, so I may be able to update those, too
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
LU tried a fake punt pass on 4th down at own 32, but qb missed wide open receiver. SNC converts for TD on 17yd screen pass. 7-0 with 12:05 left in first.

That backfired for the Vikings.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 02:18:18 PM
Ripon connects for an 80 yard TD to go up 6-0 midway through the first with XP pending. Video cutout so I'm trying to restart it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 02:20:10 PM
SNC scores after LU punt. 14-0 with 7:19 in first
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 02:29:13 PM
Monmouth leads IC 12-6 with 4 minutes left in the first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
Ripon did convert, 7-0.

Badgers beating Peay 63-3.

LU just stopped SNC on 4th and 1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: GC Superfan on September 25, 2010, 02:36:16 PM
Anyone know where I can watch the GC-LF game live? The link posted on our website isn't working.

Alternatively, anyone know the score?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 02:39:39 PM
Carroll tied it up, 7-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 02:40:09 PM
Beloit is up  14-0 with 11 minutes left in the 2nd. On a personal note, I now despise Beloit fans do the use of vuvuzealas.

I also can't get the link for the Grinnell-Lake Forest game to work. Nor can I get the Carroll-Ripon game either.

Out of curiosity I tried the Lawrence-St. Norbert game and can't get that to work either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 02:46:14 PM
LU puts together nice long (93yd) drive, capped off by 29yd TD. Missed exp.

SNC leads 14-6 with 9:09 left first half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 02:48:51 PM
For the brief time I had the Carroll-Ripon game working again the score had Carroll up 14-7 but they had the score backward when Ripon scored the first TD so I don't know if they fixed the problem. There is 7 minutes left in the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 02:51:55 PM
SNC answers with 43 yrd TD. 21-6 with 6:44 left first half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on September 25, 2010, 02:54:26 PM
MC scores... in a rainstorm. Davis pass reception...Scots 18 Blueboys 6... awaiting extra point - are a problem today for both.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on September 25, 2010, 02:55:43 PM
MC up 20-6 Good to see going for two!!! Still in 2nd quarter...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 02:57:23 PM
Scoreboard here says Ripon up 14-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 03:02:07 PM
Another SNC TD. Now 27-6, kick wide left. 3:28 to halftime. LU giving waaaay too many yards on first down.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 03:04:40 PM
Yeah the scoreboard on here is backwards. Ripon was up 17-7. A fumble on a Red Hawk punt return allowed Carroll good field position. Ripon's goalline stand allowed the Pioneers only a FG. The score is now Ripon 17-Carroll 10 with 20 seconds left in the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
SNC leads 27-6 at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 03:27:05 PM
Roop - Hate to say it, but you are going to be WRONG!!!!  It's half time and I believe that at least Ripon will break 20.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 03:46:32 PM
30yd TD for SNC. Now 35-6. Broken exp kick and holder runs it in
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 03:55:17 PM
17-17 Carrolls offense is good!! 

All of my info is off the 2nd half, missed the first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 03:55:43 PM
4th and Goal for Carroll succeeds with a Casper TD pass. Carroll ties it up at 17 with 1:33 left in the 3rd Quarter. All of Carroll's points have come off Ripon turnovers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 03:57:36 PM
SNC scores again on 20yd TD. 42-6 with 9:50 left 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on September 25, 2010, 04:01:56 PM
Scots threatening... Score currently Scots 20 IC 9
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
QB scramblers for SNC TD, capitalizing on Lawrence fumble. 49-6. Still 4:36 left 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 04:11:00 PM
Bad pitch on a promising Ripon drive gives Carroll the football. The Pioneers have moved the ball to the RC 27. 8:30 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 04:11:33 PM
Not all of Carroll's points have come off turnovers.  Their last touchdown was after a punt.  Ripon now has 5 TO's w/ 8min left in the game.  NOt a good stat....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:16:04 PM
LU with a nice drive and 23yd TD. 2pt exp fails. 49-12 with 3:41 left 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 04:17:57 PM
Fade to the right corner of the endzone gives Carroll the lead. Pioneers lead 24-17 with 3:33 left. Ripon has all 3 of their timeouts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 04:18:15 PM
24-17 Carroll w/ 3:33 min left..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:19:52 PM
50yrd td run for SNC. Now 56-12 with 241 left third.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on September 25, 2010, 04:20:01 PM
Scots 33 IC 9 and pleased to see the ground and air action.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:21:43 PM
Carroll up 24-17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 25, 2010, 04:27:07 PM
Ripon ties it up at 24 with 58 seconds left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 04:27:22 PM
tied 24-24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:30:38 PM
Vikings QB scramble for 2yd td. 56-19 with 13:46 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 04:33:27 PM
OT.... Cross your fingers.... 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 04:34:22 PM
Carroll is the real deal, their defense and offense are good...  Ripon didn't play up to their potential in the 2nd half(i didn't see the first half) hopefully OT will be different.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:41:12 PM
SNC recovers LU fumble at LU 12. Score three plays later. 63-19 with 10:51 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
Did Ripon win ?? I'm still looking for an update on that game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:50:56 PM
After SNC int, 45 yard drive capped off by 18yd td screen pass. 70-19 woth 6:19 left.

Ripon score?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on September 25, 2010, 04:53:55 PM
Ripon wins 27-24 in OT
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 04:58:50 PM
SNC converts off another Vikings fumble. 77-19 with 2:35 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 05:08:45 PM
LU scores with :12.2 left.

SNC 77
Lawrence 26
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 05:10:42 PM
77-26 final. I think may be school record for pts scored.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 25, 2010, 05:12:11 PM
Scots make it 14 straight over the Blueboys...

Monmouth 33, Illinois C. 9

Way to go Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
Did Ripon win ?? I'm still looking for an update on that game.

LOL.. Yup and both scored over 20 points......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
Grinnell 41
Lake Forest 20
Final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 05:41:11 PM
Beloit 42
Knox 7
Final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2010, 05:50:46 PM
New SNC mascot, Sir Norbert.

The name is a bit redundant, IMO, but we've never had a mascot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
Did Ripon win ?? I'm still looking for an update on that game.

LOL.. Yup and both scored over 20 points......

I get it wrong every now and then. The next question is can Ripon run the table and get a home game in the playoffs ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
Did Ripon win ?? I'm still looking for an update on that game.

LOL.. Yup and both scored over 20 points......

I get it wrong every now and then. The next question is can Ripon run the table and get a home game in the playoffs ??

Not if they play like they did today.  The good news is they can have an off day and still get the W.  I know the coaching staff will take care of the tweeks and they'll be ready...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 09:27:50 PM
Carroll is a good team so I would consider todays effort a nice performance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 25, 2010, 11:45:53 PM
Not much out of you Blu?

Hey...i think the game would have been much different if it wouldn't have been raining.  The passing game for IC was pretty much shut down by the weather

Monmouth just made less mistakes with the weather.  ICs offense couldn't do anything today.  Only 3 points.  Congrats to the scots on a well played game.  The offense looked good and the defense did their job.  The o-line dominated the line of scrimmage and the recievers caught balls in tough conditions.  Get a big one next weekend and go to Ripon with some momentum.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on September 26, 2010, 04:10:47 AM
k and b...I think I may know more of the story. I only have 4 things to say....

U.C.L.A.

blu must be feeling blu-er than blu today...we've all had our share of those, right k and b?   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 26, 2010, 08:36:04 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 09:27:50 PM
Carroll is a good team so I would consider todays effort a nice performance.

I agree that Carroll is a VERY good team.  All I am saying is that Ripon did not play as well as they are capable of.  Which means that even at a level 7 out of 10, they can get it done.  They are going to have the rest of the conference gunning for them now, which is a great position to be in, so they will need to play at a level 9 or 10.

Now I understand the saying "when on the road go for the win, when at home go for the tie", but for Carroll to not kick the field goal to attempt a 2nd OT is beyond me.  NOW, I don't know how good of a kicker they have, which might have played a role in the decision to go for it on 4th and 6.  Any insite on that Roop?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 26, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 25, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 25, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
Did Ripon win ?? I'm still looking for an update on that game.

LOL.. Yup and both scored over 20 points......

I get it wrong every now and then. The next question is can Ripon run the table and get a home game in the playoffs ??


Perhaps. And doubtful.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
I was not in hiding...  Though I can't say I'm gonna do much chest pounding today.  It was a bad day in Blulandia, and Orangelandia.  When I'm in Austin at the game with 101K fans in the stands, electronic communication is very limited.  I got texts from some friends in the stands @ MC, and much like what I was watching, there wasn't much to cheer about.  :'(

Congrats to the Scotts!  Moncol, I won our bet (for whatever it was), but I ain't much interested in collecting.  My report from the fans in the stands were that we threw (5) picks.  I believe another was dropped and one was take back.  Ouch!  Hard to win any game with that many TO's.  The only other report I got was from my son.  All he would say is that we could have played better.  Whether he's playing or not, losing is tough on him.  Oh, and he did say it was like 50 degrees and raining.  Who the hell can be expected to play in that kinda crap??? ;D

The Horns game was just as brutal.  Somedays, the football Gods just give you the finger.  The good news is, as all have been waiting to hear, the mighty Klien Freshman Broncos improved to 4-0 with a sound 33-19 victory over the rival Klein Oilers.  So rest easy fellas. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
I was not in hiding...  Though I can't say I'm gonna do much chest pounding today.  It was a bad day in Blulandia, and Orangelandia.  When I'm in Austin at the game with 101K fans in the stands, electronic communication is very limited.  I got texts from some friends in the stands @ MC, and much like what I was watching, there wasn't much to cheer about.  :'(

Congrats to the Scotts!  Moncol, I won our bet (for whatever it was), but I ain't much interested in collecting.  My report from the fans in the stands were that we threw (5) picks.  I believe another was dropped and one was take back.  Ouch!  Hard to win any game with that many TO's.  The only other report I got was from my son.  All he would say is that we could have played better.  Whether he's playing or not, losing is tough on him.  Oh, and he did say it was like 50 degrees and raining.  Who the hell can be expected to play in that kinda crap??? ;D

The Horns game was just as brutal.  Somedays, the football Gods just give you the finger.  The good news is, as all have been waiting to hear, the mighty Klien Freshman Broncos improved to 4-0 with a sound 33-19 victory over the rival Klein Oilers.  So rest easy fellas. ;)

Your son is not in Texas anymore.  By week 9 or 10, that will seem like a summer day! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 26, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
Oh, and he did say it was like 50 degrees and raining.  Who the hell can be expected to play in that kinda crap??? ;D
Welcome to football in the Midwest!   Our California QB in 07 threw 4 TD passes in this:
http://www.warhawkfootball.com/viewnews.asp?pId=1340

 ;) ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on September 26, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
Oh, and he did say it was like 50 degrees and raining.  Who the hell can be expected to play in that kinda crap??? ;D
Welcome to football in the Midwest!   Our California QB in 07 threw 4 TD passes in this:
http://www.warhawkfootball.com/viewnews.asp?pId=1340

 ;) ;D

Why's that photo all fuzzy & whited out? :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 26, 2010, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on September 26, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
Oh, and he did say it was like 50 degrees and raining.  Who the hell can be expected to play in that kinda crap??? ;D
Welcome to football in the Midwest!   Our California QB in 07 threw 4 TD passes in this:
http://www.warhawkfootball.com/viewnews.asp?pId=1340

 ;) ;D

Why's that photo all fuzzy & whited out? :D

Seriously, that game was unbelievable.  Started snowing at 10:30 and there was 1 and 1/2 inches on the field by kick off.  Had to snowplow all the yard lines several times throughout the game.  An absolute blizzard.  Gotta love it when you have to bring a snow shovel to tailgate but hey, it's a small price to pay to still be playing football in December.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
I hear you.  Hopefully we'll have an opportunity to see a Blueboy game in December. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 27, 2010, 09:54:26 AM
Congrats to the Scots on the type of win that was unexpected by everyone.  Well, almost everyone.   ;)

I guess this week's game vs. the fighting OLDADs might have some relevance, afterall, huh? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 27, 2010, 10:07:14 AM
Looking forward to it scottie. Just another road game. Let's see. SNC travels this year to:
Beloit
Monmouth
Carroll
Ripon

Wow. I guess when we win conference, no one can say we had it easy. :)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 27, 2010, 10:41:57 AM
The green machine has been racking up points left and right, so this will be a big test for the good guys' defense (to say the least). 

Right now, I'd say that there is a 50% chance of a Scottie sightingtm.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 27, 2010, 10:53:58 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
I hear you.  Hopefully we'll have an opportunity to see a Blueboy game in December.  
Been reading your posts and know you and your son are new to D-3 football. Your enthusiasm for his new program is terrific and heartfelt but regardless of whether his season ends in Nov or not, it is all nothing but good!   My son was a starter for UW-W from 2004-2007 and without getting into the details, let's just say, he could play a little ball.   ;)  Anyway, just want to make the point that whether he had finished his career a National Champion or played 4 seasons for .500 team, the experience of being a part of a football family, making irreplaceable memories and seeing him take the field in a college football jersey every Saturday playing the game he loves so much is amazing enough.   The wins/awards/accolades pale in comparison and I mean that sincerely.  Good luck to your son, his program and I hope you get to see him play every chance you can because, take it from me, those four years are gone in a heartbeat!   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 27, 2010, 05:56:38 PM
Hey 413, thanks! I really appreciate hearing that. Jamie's having fun. He's experiencing some frustration, but nothing terribly unexpected.  I'm having a blast.  This board has been part of the fun, but the best part has been the families we've met, and being part of the growing support of Blueboy football. We're doing our best to raise the level of awareness & support of the program.  There's a lot to be excited about. 

I'm ducking as I write this because I know the shots that'll come, but we will win the conference in Jamie's tenure. Why?  Because that's what he does.  He went to IC for 2 reasons.  1) The HC.  2) Because he wanted to go where he had a shot to make a difference and be recognized for leaving the program in better shape than when he arrived.  Sounds like BS, I know, but if you had a chance to ask him, that's what he'd say.  And further, it's what his track record shows.  I could detail it, but we'll save that for another time.

Some of his goals may be beyond his grasp.  But # 2 above is not.  Nor is a MWC championship.  I'll say this; Kids coming to see IC are commiting at a much higher rate these days.  The program is special.  The academic standards are very high, but for those unable to meet them, there's MC... ;)  Go ahead Scottie, take your K...

Kidding aside, I was describing my first D3 football experience to my father in law.  He's a Sooner fan, but since he set up a trust to help support my kids in college, I overlook it.  I was comparing it to the experience I had Saturday night in Austin watching the Horns (outcome not withstanding).  The experience at DKR is pure entertainment.  The game is the draw, but the magnitude of it is almost an assault on the senses.  No doubt the football is played at a high level, but the game almost pales by comparison to the atmosphere, graphics, sounds, and the rest of the fanfare.  Don't get me wrong, it's an incredible experience, but the game actually is somewhat overshadowed.  The experience we had at IC, was all about football and supporting the purity of the sport.  The support of the team is more familial.  No life or death intensity, just some folks showing up to have some fun with friends and cheer on a team they feel a part of.  And that's all I need.  I'm loving D3 ball and our IC experience. But again, thanks for your kind words.  Best of luck this season.  All the best to your entire family. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 27, 2010, 06:28:09 PM
blu, you nailed it. D3 is about football. D1 is about revenue. I cannot tell you how much that is surfacing more and more in my experiences. At our game on Saturday we were hoping to hold the opposition from scoring again in the last minute. Their receiver made an incredible catch on his back at the 1 yard line. At first a bunch of No's and Darn it's were shouted. They were quickly replaced with applause for a catch well deserved of recognition. Visiting team or not. You don't find that at D1 games.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 27, 2010, 07:20:26 PM
OMG!  Y'aint kidding about the atmosphere at the D1 games.  DKR is probably 10 stories high.  As defeat became inevitable, I kept looking around the top to see how many "jumpers" there'd be.  The language and intensity was more than I cared for.  Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan, but it's almost as though they're creating a monster they can't control.  The whole D3 experience is changing my perspective.  I'm now a kinder, gentler, blu. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2010, 12:27:23 AM
Must say, as bad as the first two games were for the scots...if they win this week, I'm back on board.  The program won't make up for the hit it has taken as far as the national stage, not this year atleast.  If they somehow still won conference though it would be a testament to the character of the program.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on September 28, 2010, 12:53:41 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on September 26, 2010, 10:51:19 PM
I hear you.  Hopefully we'll have an opportunity to see a Blueboy game in December. 

Hopefully? What's this "hopefully" crap?  Where's that unwavering (if somewhat unsupported) certainty we've come to expect?  Hopefully sounds like there's a chance it might not happen.  Hopefully is for lottery tickets.  I thought the Blueboy train was coming?  You can't go hopefully on us just three games into your kid's career.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 28, 2010, 09:49:41 AM
MWC Fan- this program has both character and talent regardless of whether they win the conference this year or not. They will be the favorites to win next year regardless if Tanney comes back or not.  Based on the last game the Scots will be returning 9 starters on each side of the ball next year.  The experience they are gaining with each game is obvious. In my opinion this weeks game is a toss-up and the following one, Ripon will be a slight favorite due to home field advantage. (We all know they are 14 pts better at home) I wouldn't count the Scots out of either one - look for both games to be close.  As far as our bet Blu, it was only an invite for some free eats and drinks at a tailgate, something that I would routinely offer any conference foe that posts here anyway. So before next years IC-MC game you will be able to savor the spoils of your hollow victory, all while being reminded of the anniversary of UCLA trouncing of your Horns.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 28, 2010, 11:14:53 AM
Bill- Y'know, from time to time we all benefit from being called out. So, thank you, Sir.  You brought attention to the fact that I was softening.  I didn't realize that I was being affected by our 1-3 start. Absent of any additional Blueboy support on this site, something that begets some modest disappointment, I suspect I was, perhaps understandably and unfortunately, negatively impacted. Further evidence of that is in an above post where I refer to myself as a "kinder and gentler" Blu.

Your words and support have re-energized me.  The gloves are again, off.  I'd still like to see some of the other Blueboy fans, stop reading and start writing.  (You know who you are.  I'm tired of hearing "Oh, we love reading what you write.  But I feel funny about posting myself.") :( 

When a team is off to a rough start, they need all-the-more support.  Until I see the turnover issue corrected, I'm not ready to pound my chest about our MWC championship this season.  However, I will say that Blueboy Nation is back on the rise, stronger than ever, and the rest of the MWC should remain vigilant for the blue swarm that will be soon consuming this conference as only an apetizer for its national playoff main course. 

Better?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 28, 2010, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 28, 2010, 09:49:41 AM
So before next years IC-MC game you will be able to savor the spoils of your hollow victory, all while being reminded of the anniversary of UCLA trouncing of your Horns.

Let me say, Mocol, you REALLY don't want to go there.  This is a battle few can win.  One of the only difficulties of being a Horns fan is that when we stub our toe (and it does happen about every 5 years), we have to hear from all the envious ankle-biting haters.  Unless you want both barrels square in the face, it's time to go back to the support of MC.  I had all I wanted of this nonsense on Saturday. And those who brought it, limped back... ;) Just remember, there's no way to make envy, pretty...  With 2 national championship appearances (and one championship), the winningest record of the new millenium, and hell, our own conference and TV network for that matter, I (as a Horns fan) have a bigger gun.  You have a pocket knife...  Good luck to your Scots the rest of the way...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 28, 2010, 12:44:51 PM
I saw some pictures of the Ripon vs. Carroll game from saturday and it looked like it was an awesome game.  Definetley the game of the year so far.  Its encouraging though that Ripon could still win with 7 turnovers, hopefully they dont grease the ball again before next weeks game.  Not looking past Knox  ::), but I would agree that MC vs Ripon will be a good contest.  Thats why I'm looking forward to this weekends game of SNC vs. MC.  It will be a huge test for both teams to see where they are at after starting 0-1 in conference.  For sure the game of the week SNC vs. Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 28, 2010, 04:13:03 PM
Blu you ain't got crap with UT- not even on the lowly Big Ten. The much maligned Ohio State Buckeyes gave Texas every they wanted in a three game series. As a matter of fact you guys are fortunate that you didn't lose all three. Lets see a dropped pass in the end zone by a wide open TE in game one leads to a Texas sqeaking by (That was their NC season), OSU goes down to Austin the next year and kicks the crap out of #2 UT and two years ago a questionable spot on 4th down keeps a UT drive going and they get a late TD to once again sneak by in the Fiesta Bowl  I would hardly call that dominance! The Big 12 or whatever they are is one conference that shouldn't be bashing on any others. UT has had some excellent teams but their best ain't any better than the Big Tens
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 28, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
Oh ya and since I went there and really like it there Blu, your claim about Texas having the best record of the millenium is now fiction thanks to Saturday's trouncing.  UT has a great program but it certainly isn't head and shoulders above the rest like you claim. Jeez I never heard of your own conference and TV network :o Maybe the Big 10 should look into that.  ::)  After tangling with you on this board Blu I will concede everything is bigger in Texas including your mouth and the other orifice you do most of your braggin from ;D. Right now I'll take my pocket knife over your double barreled sawed off shot gun because right now you are shooting blanks........ Good luck to IC for the rest of the year and good luck to UT in the Papa John's bowl.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 28, 2010, 05:40:31 PM
Wooooooo!  I think we can get enough going here to start a new thread about D-1 conferences  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2010, 05:41:05 PM
moncol - All I was implying is that the program has taken a step down this year from the lofty standards and goals they set in 2008 and 2009.  I was part of the program for 3 years I know that coaching staff won't let this program fail.  I was just a little upset with those first 2 games comparatively speaking, as any MC fan would be.

If they pulled off a conf. championship in this season of turmoil (turmoil by their standards) it would be huge going forward and could help raise the level of play in future years to that of the d3 powerhouses.  That should be the ultimate goal for years to come.

If they won conference this year though they would almost definitely lose big in the first round of the playoffs.  Where as in 2008 they won first round (albeit an easy game) and 2009 they were considered to have a chance (were picked to win by a few "experts" on d3football.com)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
I still say that they need to invent a "Sarcasm" font. But you 2 are doing a pretty good job without it.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 28, 2010, 11:32:56 PM
Moncol, seriously, decaf... ;)  And to the rest of y'all, sorry wrong board for that. ;D  I think we'll just let this one end here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on September 28, 2010, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 28, 2010, 05:41:05 PM
moncol - All I was implying is that the program has taken a step down this year from the lofty standards and goals they set in 2008 and 2009.  I was part of the program for 3 years I know that coaching staff won't let this program fail.  I was just a little upset with those first 2 games comparatively speaking, as any MC fan would be.

If they pulled off a conf. championship in this season of turmoil (turmoil by their standards) it would be huge going forward and could help raise the level of play in future years to that of the d3 powerhouses.  That should be the ultimate goal for years to come.

If they won conference this year though they would almost definitely lose big in the first round of the playoffs.  Where as in 2008 they won first round (albeit an easy game) and 2009 they were considered to have a chance (were picked to win by a few "experts" on d3football.com)

I agree MC should have the "ultimate goal for years to come" of raising their level of play to the D3 powerhouses.  I'm trying to follow your logic as to how they get there. How does winning the MWC this year, then getting trounced in the first round, help them get them to the elite level?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 29, 2010, 12:20:21 AM
bleed purple - just trying to be a realistic fan, and with the team they have (unbelievably inexperienced, injury-ridden) I think that's their ceiling this year.  The playoff experience, even if its one game, is better than none at all.  They have to know what they really need to improve and how much they need to improve on it.  If you don't face a team that exposes that to you (like they didn't the the 2008-9 reg. seasons) than you can't get better.

I think something that would really benefit them would be if the MWC dropped 2 teams, but still kept its AQ bid.  Then they could see more tough programs every year and get a better feel for what their program measures up to on the national stage.  Can only wish though.

...and sadly if that did happen the two schools that would make the most sense geographically would be Grinnell (only Iowa school) and IC (WE'D LOSE BTNT! :'()
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on September 29, 2010, 12:23:40 AM
Oh, and before Ripon fans go crazy about that last post.........they did give a scare in that game in 08, sorry almost forgot about that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 29, 2010, 07:49:10 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 29, 2010, 12:20:21 AM
...and sadly if that did happen the two schools that would make the most sense geographically would be Grinnell (only Iowa school) and IC (WE'D LOSE BTNT! :'()
No worries, Fan.  I ain't going anywhere. I'm kinda invested now (in the MWC). It's mature and insightful posts like yours, that have brought that about. ;)  I am a bit curious why IC in your scenario?  Our recent history shows us to be at the very least, middle of the pack.  Is it geographic?  No biggie.  Just interested.

I don't think you should feel too obiligated to defend your initial statement regarding how an MWC championship in a season of setbacks would reflect the character of the team.  For most, the positive spin you intended was a no-brainer.  If you'd have said that about my school, you'd have gotten a +K... and a note of thanks.  In fact, I'm gonna do just that.  But then again, I gave Moncol one just for the energy and enthusiasm he's brought in his two replies to me. Y'gotta love the effort. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 29, 2010, 08:39:19 AM
Hey Blu its those words in bold that get me going. I just love the Big Ten and football in the midwest.  That's where I am from and that's who I root for. Not saying we are any better but certainly not as bad as people from the south think. MWC fan all I was trying to say is the team has already shown some character regardless if they win conference. As far as competing at the national level I still insist Monmouth was a top 10 team last year and I think the team next year can be a top 15 team  from what I have seen this year.  Just my opinion however.  I just think there is a big drop off between the top few teams and rest. I will say however, look for St. Thomas to give Whitewater one heck of a game when they meet in the playoffs this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2010, 08:50:53 AM
Can we get back on track here?  I am not a big fan of "IF's" and 'WHENS".  And all this talk about droping two teams from the MWC, WHAT??  They are actually talking about adding teams and making two divisions.  It's important for some people on here to not post unless it is directly related to their teams.  "I say GOOD DAY"!


IF frogs had wings they wouldn't womp their a$$ everytime they moved

                                                                     
WHEN pigs grow wings, LU will be over .500
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on September 29, 2010, 08:55:41 AM
Moncol- It's all good. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 29, 2010, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 29, 2010, 12:23:40 AM
Oh, and before Ripon fans go crazy about that last post.........they did give a scare in that game in 08, sorry almost forgot about that.

I almost did freak out until I scrolled down and read more ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 29, 2010, 09:02:09 PM
Alright some outlook on the games this weekend.  There are going to be two games that I am going to have my eye on this weekend (besides RC).  Beloit at Grinnell will be interesting with two teams looking to make a move to the upper tier of the conference, and both teams with good looking seasons so far.  The second game in SNC vs. Monmouth, obvoiusly two elite MWC teams looking to erase week 1 from their memory.  When Carroll plays SNC and MC, depending on the results could really shake things up and leave those teams with 2 losses.  Ripon has to beat MC and/or SNC to guarantee a share of the title, IMO

Beloit @ Grinnell - Grinnell by 3 in an offensive explosion by both teams
Ripon @ Knox - Ripon by 42 in what could be a cool triple option rivalry
LFC @ Carroll - Carroll by 30
Lawrence @ IC - IC by 10

Game of the Week:
SNC @ MC - SNC by 10 as the Knights have played very well the last two weeks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on September 29, 2010, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on September 29, 2010, 12:20:21 AM
bleed purple - just trying to be a realistic fan, and with the team they have (unbelievably inexperienced, injury-ridden) I think that's their ceiling this year.  The playoff experience, even if its one game, is better than none at all.  They have to know what they really need to improve and how much they need to improve on it.  If you don't face a team that exposes that to you (like they didn't the the 2008-9 reg. seasons) than you can't get better.

I think something that would really benefit them would be if the MWC dropped 2 teams, but still kept its AQ bid.  Then they could see more tough programs every year and get a better feel for what their program measures up to on the national stage.  Can only wish though.

...and sadly if that did happen the two schools that would make the most sense geographically would be Grinnell (only Iowa school) and IC (WE'D LOSE BTNT! :'()

That makes sense to me, thanks. It sounds like MC is in "reload" mode. If I am reading you right, if they can win the MWC this year, they will get nothing but better the next couple of years and by then they will really be on a run!

Thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 30, 2010, 08:28:02 AM
The Scots will be good again but as far as competing for a national title that may be far fetched. They have a long way to go in that department. Dominance in the MWC would have to come first. I think if that comes its is going to because of their Defense.  They have played pretty well this year despite giving up a few big plays, have really made a difference with turnovers the past few games.  Once this offense gets going like it is capable MC is going to be tough.  These next two games will not only tell a lot about this year but next year too. MC will have something like 19 starters returning next year. I am curious to know what Ripon, Carroll, SNC and others have coming back.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2010, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 30, 2010, 08:28:02 AM
The Scots will be good again but as far as competing for a national title that may be far fetched. They have a long way to go in that department.


I hope none of you took my red Kool Aid promo TOO seriously.  (insert emoticon-of-choice here)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 30, 2010, 03:17:12 PM
Help me understand how dropping two schools from the conference, Grinnell College and Illinois College, who are making strides to improve themselves competitively both in terms of "on the field production" and facilities, will improve the quality of play for the remaining MWC membership?  Frankly, those two colleges have done more for the overall quality of D3 athletics in the MWC than at least a couple of other MWC schools that I can think of.  Obviously, the belief that dropping GC and IC must solely be based on geographics.  It can't be based on overall success of their athletic departments or their investment in facilities in recent years.  The MWC All-Sports Standings results for 2009-2010 were as follows:

Men
1.  Grinnell College
2.  Monmouth College
3.  Carroll University
3.  St. Norbert College
5.  Ripon College
6.  Illinois College
7.  Beloit College
8.  Lawrence College
9.  Lake Forest College
10. Knox College

Women
1.  St. Norbert College
2.  Carroll University
3.  Monmouth College
4.  Grinnell College
5.  Ripon College
6.  Lake Forest College
7.  Beloit College
8.  Illinois College
9.  Lawrence College
10. Knox College

The previous year doesn't deviate much from the list above either. 

I understand that this thread is about football and the MWC all-sports standings does not directly correlate with football.  However, given that Grinnell College might be the biggest story of the year in MWC football at this stage of the season despite the minimal discussion regarding their early season success on this thread, I can't see what "dropping" Grinnell from the conference would do to "enhance" the reputation of the MWC nationally.  Plus, IC's football team is definitely heading in the right direction and they have a favorable schedule in front of them as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 30, 2010, 03:49:33 PM
Thanks BBaller!!!  About time someone besides myself talk some sense on here....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2010, 04:49:33 PM
Ughh, here we go again....    I think the semi-recent idea was that the members of the Associated Colleges of the Midwest http://www.acm.edu/index.html  were contemplating a merger.  Until the next ScottieSightingtm allows me to confer with my many high ranking sources  :D I can only guess that this was just a rumor that has since fizzled out.  Obviously, under these circumstances, Grinnell stays and IC leaves to become the charter out-of-state member of the LMSTAC (Loves Me Some Texas Athletic Conference).   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 30, 2010, 05:33:08 PM
Beloit
Finlandia
Chaminade (returns to D3)
Transylvania
Bates
Potsdam St.
Mississippi College

Are forming a new basketball only conference is what I heard.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 30, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
The MWC are all similiar in academic profiles, too - and losing one of its stronger members in Grinnell would not be beneficial, IMO.

The MWC has limited options for expansion because some of the schools that might fit otherwise (I.e. Marian in FDL) don't have football. There just aren't that many other private schools around.

And, let's face it. MWC memberas have, IIRC just one NCAA team title - and that's in a sport it doesn't even offer (SNC in men's hockey). Winning a national title is a lofty goal but not realistic, especially with the WIAC as a usual playoff hurdle.

I see nothing wrong with the conf as is, but would welcome another team or 2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 30, 2010, 08:37:21 PM
Grinnell and IC leaving the conference would only be for geographical purposes, not athletic performance.  And dropping two/adding two would allow for more non-conference games in football, therefore potentially increasing strength of schedule for the MWC.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 30, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: bballer1280 on September 30, 2010, 03:17:12 PM
I understand that this thread is about football and the MWC all-sports standings does not directly correlate with football.  However, given that Grinnell College might be the biggest story of the year in MWC football at this stage of the season despite the minimal discussion regarding their early season success on this thread, I can't see what "dropping" Grinnell from the conference would do to "enhance" the reputation of the MWC nationally.  Plus, IC's football team is definitely heading in the right direction and they have a favorable schedule in front of them as well.
We would appreciate some Grinnell football insight around here. Every man (team) for themself...

And when there are a bunch of MC posters on here that gets swept under the rug  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 30, 2010, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 30, 2010, 08:37:21 PM
Grinnell and IC leaving the conference would only be for geographical purposes, not athletic performance.  And dropping two/adding two would allow for more non-conference games in football, therefore potentially increasing strength of schedule for the MWC.  

If the conference wanted to, it could accomplish that now.

A) Adapt the Big Ten/11/12 model and not play a true round robin. Play 1/2 fewer conference games and let schools protect a rivalry (ie Ripon/Lawrence). You could add a couple non-con games that way.

B) Go back to division play like we had with 12 teams. Two divisions of 5. That's four division games, and then rotate for the teams in the other division




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 30, 2010, 09:26:25 PM
This is all interesting.....to those that care!  I am living in 2010 and the remaining games. Those of you that know me understand. Seniors are seniors, and will I be on the board next year? Maybe ..... a little..... I am going to miss all of this tremendously.

But back to this season. I see Green and Gold facing Purple in the first round. And I relish that opportunity.

So, in other words....

GO GREEN KNIGHTS


How is that Joe?  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 30, 2010, 09:29:13 PM
SNCOLDAD close your eyes..... ::)

Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 30, 2010, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on September 30, 2010, 08:37:21 PM
Grinnell and IC leaving the conference would only be for geographical purposes, not athletic performance.  And dropping two/adding two would allow for more non-conference games in football, therefore potentially increasing strength of schedule for the MWC. 

If the conference wanted to, it could accomplish that now.

A) Adapt the Big Ten/11/12 model and not play a true round robin. Play 1/2 fewer conference games and let schools protect a rivalry (ie Ripon/Lawrence). You could add a couple non-con games that way.

B) Go back to division play like we had with 12 teams. Two divisions of 5. That's four division games, and then rotate for the teams in the other division

True.

4 in division games. 1-2 crossover games. 3-4 non-conference games. Conference championship game.  Doesnt sound too bad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 30, 2010, 09:33:41 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on September 30, 2010, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 30, 2010, 03:49:33 PM
Thanks BBaller!!!  About time someone besides myself talk some sense on here....

You are welcome.

Now, with respect to Grinnell College football.  The Pioneers are not a fluke.  This team has been building towards success in the MWC for a couple of years now.  The improved over all talent and athleticism of the team is evident to those of us who watch the team play and those players are either now or becoming "upperclassmen."  I am not sure where they will finish the season.  But, it will be in the upper half of the conference for the first time in years.  

The football players Grinnell College love Coach Pedersen and they love playing for him.  He is a coach who connects with his players and he understands D3 athletics as it is offered at GC having graduated from the college in 2002 as a two time all-american tight end.  It definitely is looking up at GC in football.  Plus, it is looking up in other sports as well.  The culture of success in athletics is changing in a positive way.  Watch and see how it all transpires at GC in the months and years ahead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 01, 2010, 09:17:09 AM
Picks for this weekends games....

Grinnell vs Beloit... Beloit with a 28-17 win.

Knox vs Ripon.... Ripon BIG!

IC vs Lawrence.... IC 35 Lawrence 12

Monmouth vs St. Norbert.... St. Norbert 28 Monmouth 14

Carroll vs. Lake Forest... Carroll 49 Lake Forest 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 01, 2010, 12:25:46 PM
I don't think blu is in this video of Texas pee wee football coaches behaving badly horrifically.

http://deadspin.com/5651722/dads-in-ugly-polo-shirts-punch-each-other-at-pee-wee-football-game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2010, 12:48:42 PM
Picks for Week 4:

Beloit @ Grinnell - GC
Ripon @ Knox - RC
Lawrence @ Illinois C. - IC
St. Norbert @ Monmouth - MC
Lake Forest @ Carroll - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  I will be in town for this one...can't wait to get a look at the new scoreboard and hopefully see more points on the home side than the visitor side at day's end. :)  And it's still Monmouth vs. St. Norbert, with alot on the line for both...so I would guess that this one won't be lacking intensity at all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 01, 2010, 01:01:36 PM
Maverick. GC over Americas Team......................... I didn't drive 7 hours each way, pay my own per diem only to get this type of disrespect 2 years later.  ??? But I guess Americas Team allows for individual opinions.  ;) Not my fault the good guys coughed one up to Wartburg.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2010, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 01, 2010, 01:01:36 PM
Maverick. GC over Americas Team......................... I didn't drive 7 hours each way, pay my own per diem only to get this type of disrespect 2 years later.  ??? But I guess Americas Team allows for individual opinions.  ;) Not my fault the good guys coughed one up to Wartburg.

The Roop - I meant no 2-years-later disrespect to you or to America's Team.  I think it will be a close game and my only reason for giving Grinnell the edge is because they're at home.  And yes, the Good Guys did stub their toe at Wartburg--but I can deal with that one...it's the one the following week vs. Grinnell that I wish we could have back.  However, no sense in looking back now.  Gotta control what we can control and just keep moving forward! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on October 01, 2010, 03:56:06 PM
St. Norbert fans - I'm guessing there'll be a good number of you in Monmouth tomorrow morning (you have traveled well in previous years).  Just so you're aware, the college has a different tailgate policy in place - whether or not you choose to follow it is up to you, but just wanted to share the link:

www.monm.edu/athletics/facilities/tailgating-policy.aspx (http://www.monm.edu/athletics/facilities/tailgating-policy.aspx)

See you all tomorrow -
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2010, 04:05:13 PM
The Roop - Forgot to mention earlier...your presence, along with your Mt. Monmouth sweatshirt, were both greatly appreciated 2 years ago.  Which playoff game was it that you came down for?

fightingscots13 - Is anyone using the official tailgating location this season?  Are any tailgaters still using the lot by the practice fields and tennis courts?  Just curious how it's gone so far during the first 2 home games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 01, 2010, 04:14:01 PM
Mav- Monmouth security is out in full force! Tailgating in designated area only or else.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 01, 2010, 04:25:12 PM
13, thanks for the heads up. This was actually passed on to us a while back by someone in the MC Athletic department. I am not sure but I believe there will be a few of us making the trip. As you noted, and something I am proud to be a part of, SNC Fans do travel pretty well.



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2010, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 01, 2010, 04:14:01 PM
Mav- Monmouth security is out in full force! Tailgating in designated area only or else.

Too bad.  The practice fields/tennis courts parking lot was prime location with it's proximity to the stadium.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2010, 04:28:12 PM
I think the only way to bypass this rule would be to group yourself in with a ScottieSightingtm....but I'm not sure that will occur tomorrow, unfortunately.    >:(   Current odds are around the 20% mark.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 01, 2010, 04:31:47 PM
We have the past 2 trips enjoyed setting up the green pop-up canopy and grills right there at the entrance. It was very handy as that is where we feed the guys before the trip home. We will just have to move everything from the tailgate area to the parking lot by the main gate after the game.

No scottie?!?!  I am devistated.

So what is the new scoreboard like?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
22%   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 01, 2010, 04:28:12 PM
I think the only way to bypass this rule would be to group yourself in with a ScottieSightingtm....but I'm not sure that will occur tomorrow, unfortunately.    >:(   Current odds are around the 20% mark. 

Quote from: scottie on October 01, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
22%   :)

Excellent. :D

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 01, 2010, 04:31:47 PM
We have the past 2 trips enjoyed setting up the green pop-up canopy and grills right there at the entrance. It was very handy as that is where we feed the guys before the trip home. We will just have to move everything from the tailgate area to the parking lot by the main gate after the game.

No scottie?!?!  I am devistated.

So what is the new scoreboard like?

SNCOLDAD - In case you were wondering, and I'm sure you are, my current odds are right around 100%. ;D  And from what I've heard, the new scoreboard is pretty nice...will get my first real look at it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on October 01, 2010, 04:59:36 PM
SNCOLDAD - I saw a pic of the scoreboard in your new stadium...from the looks of it, it's similar in size, just without all the corporate sponsors you have.  And assuming yours has the instant replay capability and other graphics features, then it won't look much different for you - but a huge upgrade from what we had...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 01, 2010, 05:47:59 PM
All right. Sounds like a 22% chance of a big party!  :)
And a 100% chance of a couple of brewski's   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2010, 06:03:19 PM
25% +   :o

L A S T    R O U N D    O F    B A G P I P E S    F O R   " D A D " . . . .     :'(   :'(   :'(   :'(   :'(   :'( 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 01, 2010, 10:46:32 PM
Knox vs Ripon--------------------Ripon (scoreboard broken)

IC vs Lawrence-------------------IC 35-7

Monmouth vs St. Norbert-------SNC 35-14

Carroll vs. Lake Forest----------Carroll 35-7

Game of the Week?
Grinnell vs Beloit------------------GC 27-21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 02, 2010, 06:08:42 AM
With mismatches all around, Grinnell vs. Americas Team is the game of the week. It won't be easy for the Bucs as the "other" Pioneers defense has improved. Ross or Carrier will make a big catch late however and Grinnell falls 19-13. Here endeth the lesson.............................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 02, 2010, 09:56:00 AM
I saw College Game Day was down in mt.monmouth this morning, and Lee Corso was wearing the new St. Norbert masoct head...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2010, 10:41:01 AM
Well, to say I am disappointed would be an understatement.
MC in their finite wisdom has moved all tailgating off canmpus
About a mile folrm thge stadium.
And we have been informed no shuttle service this week
Siince they forgot!
How do you try to ruin football fans good time?
Just ask Monmouth College.
Very Fan unfriendly!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 02, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2010, 10:41:01 AM
Well, to say I am disappointed would be an understatement.
MC in their finite wisdom has moved all tailgating off canmpus
About a mile folrm thge stadium.
And we have been informed no shuttle service this week
Siince they forgot!
How do you try to ruin football fans good time?
Just ask Monmouth College.
Very Fan unfriendly!

Well, hold your shorts and settle down... Why not relocate to the park which is two blocks to the west of the stadium on Euclid. Probably best to park in the student reserve lot (lots of room) and set up your party over in the public park accross the street (5th and E. Euclid). Better option to get close, park and then walk over!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2010, 03:07:19 PM
SNC.  13

MC.    0
Half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2010, 03:12:37 PM
Dad - thanks for the update!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2010, 03:33:37 PM
Two captains coming out in jeans is worth at least -13. Hoping for a good-guys-type of second half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2010, 04:54:23 PM
48-2 final. YES!

Any Beloit score?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 02, 2010, 05:07:27 PM
56-14 Ripon over Knox
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2010, 05:34:06 PM
Beloit 21
Grinnell 24

final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2010, 05:42:45 PM
Carroll leads Lake Forest 15-7, 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2010, 05:52:22 PM
 Video | Recap


October 2, 2010
St. Norbert 48, Monmouth 2
More news about: St. Norbert
MONMOUTH, Ill. - St. Norbert College forced seven turnovers en route to its third consecutive blowout win with a 48-2 Midwest Conference victory over Monmouth College at April Zorn Memorial Stadium.

The Green Knights (3-2, 3-1 MWC) have outscored their opponents 174-28 in their last three games following an 0-2 start. Monmouth, the two-time defending MWC champion, likely saw its title hopes fade at 2-3, 2-2.

St. Norbert led 13-0 at halftime before a 28-point third quarter deluge broke the game open. The Green Knights scored three defensive touchdowns in the third quarter, and had three scores overall within a 1-minute span late in the period.

Austin Arts' 22-yard interception return with 11 minutes 14 seconds left in the third quarter gave St. Norbert a 20-0 advantage. Rob Berger hit a wide-open Adam Gruett on a 26-yard touchdown pass with 1:34 left in the period. Josh Holzhaeuser had a 28-yard interception return at the 1:16 mark and Justin Baker a 41-yard interception return with 34 seconds left to balloon the lead to 41-0.

The three defensive touchdowns were short of a school record, one shy of the four St. Norbert recorded in a 48-28 win over Carroll University on Oct. 15, 2005 at Minahan Stadium.

St. Norbert dominated time of possession, holding the ball for 39:19, including 21:03 in the second half. The Green Knights ran 54 times to just 20 passes, and outgained the Scots 460-176. Monmouth had 50 net rushing yards, and four of its eight first downs in the game came on its first two possessions.

John Weninger, who had touchdown runs of 1 and 2 yards, had an outstanding all-purpose afternoon. Weninger rushed 31 times for 126 yards and two touchdowns, and also caught six passes for 104 yards.

Berger completed 16 of 20 passes for 231 yards and two touchdown with one interception. Berger has boosted his season completion percentage to 63.5 percent (66-for-104) with 13 touchdowns and six interceptions.

Monmouth was led by Matt Shepherd's six receptions for 61 yards. Quarterbacks Brik Wedekind and Matt Borzillo combined for five interceptions, the first time in seven years a St. Norbert opponent has been intercepted that many times. Wedekind was 7-for-12 for 49 yards and two interceptions, while Borzillo was 6-for-11 for 77 yards with three interceptions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2010, 05:58:48 PM
Final
Lawrence 21
Illinois College 45
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 02, 2010, 06:23:48 PM
Carroll game is a final 15-7
Grinnell beat Beloit 24-21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 02, 2010, 08:32:32 PM
15-7.............................. Was it a baseball game. Nope, couldn't be, Lake Forest doesn't have baseball.

Bucs D gives up 24 in the 1st half and nothing in the 2nd. Has the offense arrived yet ?? Nice win for Grinnell though.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on October 02, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2010, 05:34:06 PM
Beloit 21
Grinnell 24
final

Things are changing at Grinnell College.  This is just the start of change as GC is improving on the gridiron and in other areas athletically, too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 02, 2010, 09:44:50 PM
Nice first step in the right direction for the other Pioneers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2010, 09:55:34 PM
Well back from Monmouth. Trip was good. Roads dry. and no traffic.  :D

Now for the game. Aw. Never mind. What can one say when the refs call about 30 penalties against one team in the 1st half and maybe 1 against the home team. I do have to say that this crew was one of the worst I have seen in a while. So with that being said, I wonder what the score could have been with decent referees?

What is the deal with the Lake Forest - Carroll game?

Grinnell, congrats. ( and thanks )   ::)

And I do want to say that you all should check out the St. Thomas Tommies against the Johnnies today. SNC might have played against a Stagg Bowl team in our first game this year. The Tommies are GOOD.  :o

GO GREEN KNIGHTS    NICE WIN
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
....and now we see that chests made out of a knight's armor can still puff out.   ::)

The article above seems to be omitting at least a few things: 1.) that the refs were horrible and the score really should have been in the triple digits on one side and negative figures on the other  :D, and 2.) that, um, there was at least one slight personnel issue on the other side of the ball  :o.   At any rate, since there was no ScottieSightingtm I'll leave the rest of the commentary to those who attended.   

Congrats to the Green Knights and DAD on a successful trip to the Maple City.  Good luck at Whitewater!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2010, 10:32:36 PM
scottie, I am sure you tried to find us for tailgating. But that lovely school has tailgating only a mile away behind a car dealer. Your own fans are more pissed off than us.

And yes. The chest is out a little. Almost as much as the stomach. :)  I fully expected it to be closer. But this team was on a mission it appears. And thanks for acknowledging our starting fullback was out injured.  ::)

This week I may not be the Voice of Reason very much. I will try to get back on track.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 03, 2010, 12:30:16 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 02, 2010, 09:55:34 PM

And I do want to say that you all should check out the St. Thomas Tommies against the Johnnies today. SNC might have played against a Stagg Bowl team in our first game this year. The Tommies are GOOD.  :o

IMO, I'm not sure winning by 1 in OT against a 2 loss SJU (atfter 5 games) team puts the Tommies in the Stagg Bowl just yet...but all things being equal, it is a monkey off their back. Just a lot of football yet to be played.  ;)  One week at a time DAD!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 03, 2010, 01:03:46 PM
BoBo, I saw later that it was 1 point. But I think you will agree winning in front of 16,000+ at the Johnnies is at least worth an extra 6 or 7 points. But I will say that the Tommies will give UWW a run for their money at the very least.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 03, 2010, 05:31:06 PM
572 yards rushing yesterday by the Hawks.  572 yards of total offense yesterday by the Hawks.  Nice job on a new school record for rushing yards
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 03, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 03, 2010, 01:03:46 PM
BoBo, I saw later that it was 1 point. But I think you will agree winning in front of 16,000+ at the Johnnies is at least worth an extra 6 or 7 points.

I don't agree with that. But since, according to your statement, you do, don't you think it would be worth more to the Johnnies playing at home in front of 16,000+...on homecoming? Either way, there's only anecdotal evidence out there to make that kind of statement in the D3 world. What is relevant is that with the regular season not even 1/2 completed, it is far too early to be even talking about such hypothetical situations. The only thing I know for sure is, if I'm a quality team, you turnover the ball to me 4 times (like UST did against SJU), I will bury you on the spot, every time - plain and simple.  ;)  ;D  UST dodged a bullet on Sat. That won't happen against a really good team, IMO.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 04, 2010, 08:43:48 AM
All I can say is OUCH! Hard to believe that a team  could have a worse offense game than the Bears did last night but the Scots sure did on Saturday. The score would have been closer if we just took a knee every time and punted.  But congrats to Dad and St. Norbert's. But c'mon  crying about those penalties after winning 48-2? Most of them were procedure calls anyway with a couple of obvious holds. The one I will give you was that offensive pass interference call.... that was really bad. As far as what would the score have been??? Anything that kept MC's offense off the field helped us! ;D and finally I know you've been to Ripon before, so thse guys could not have been the most biased officials you've ever seen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 04, 2010, 08:53:29 AM
I am trying to get back to my VoR today. And actually I have not been to Ripon. That year my son was injured the week before and he came home that weekend. That is the only game I have missed so far in the 4 seasons.

But I do not like the sound of the refs bind worse. But when one of those procedure calls is made from the opposite side of the field and when asked who it was on, they did not even know!  But I digress. :)

On to the Blue Boys. So far weather is supposed to be excellent.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 04, 2010, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 04, 2010, 08:43:48 AM
All I can say is OUCH! Hard to believe that a team  could have a worse offense game than the Bears did last night but the Scots sure did on Saturday. The score would have been closer if we just took a knee every time and punted.  But congrats to Dad and St. Norbert's. But c'mon  crying about those penalties after winning 48-2? Most of them were procedure calls anyway with a couple of obvious holds. The one I will give you was that offensive pass interference call.... that was really bad. As far as what would the score have been??? Anything that kept MC's offense off the field helped us! ;D and finally I know you've been to Ripon before, so thse guys could not have been the most biased officials you've ever seen.

So far this year the officials have been horrible for both sides at RC..  RC is now entering the toughest part of their schedule, MC, IC, SNC, Beloit, then well LU.... 
Here is my thought on this weeks game....  Ripon and thier opponent will be the GOW for the rest of the season...

MC @ RC - could be a tough game, no one likes coming off of a 48-2 loss, they'll bring the heat, however when you base your whole team around 1 person and that person gets injured, you are bound to have a tough season.  RC wins by 14...  I will be at this game, fingers crossed, and can't wait!  Anyone from MC making the trip?

I would also agree that if you win 48-2 there is NO reason to even bring up the "bad" calls the officials made.  I'm a big believer that the Officials don't win/lose games, it's the teams.  But to bring up bad calls when you won by 46 points is just rubbing salt in the wound. 

Good Luck this week to everyone(but MC ::)) however, safe travels...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 04, 2010, 09:20:01 AM
So you are all saying only bring up bad calls if you lose?    ??? 

No way. When my team loses, that is NOT the time to discuss bad officiating. When you win is the time so you can be a little more objective about it.

But enough on that. I am done discussing officials. I know they do the best they are capable of  ::) and I would not want the job.  :P

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 05, 2010, 12:38:53 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 03, 2010, 01:03:46 PM
BoBo, I saw later that it was 1 point. But I think you will agree winning in front of 16,000+ at the Johnnies is at least worth an extra 6 or 7 points. But I will say that the Tommies will give UWW a run for their money at the very least.

St. John's lost to UW Eau Claire as well... so will UWEC give UWW a run for their money in the WIAC?  UWEC seems to be the solid team thus far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2010, 04:08:53 PM
02 Warhawk, I can't answer your question. You tell me. Will UWEC give UWW a run for their money? Have not seen them. And the only reason I said UWW and not Mt Union is I figure that the Tommies and UWW would meet in the playoffs before the Tommies would meet Mt Union.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2010, 04:56:11 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2010, 04:08:53 PM
And the only reason I said UWW and not Mt Union is I figure that the Tommies and UWW would meet in the playoffs before the Tommies would meet Mt Union.  ;D

Are you saying that you don't like the chances of the Green Knights?  How about a little MWC optimism?? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2010, 05:19:39 PM
I think SNC will probably be moved to the East in order to balance the #1 seeds.  ::)



GO GREEN KNIGHTS

I also like Pat's poll on the 5-0 teams and how many playoff games they will win. Man, did I laugh.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 05, 2010, 06:29:48 PM
I think someone is mad they didnt make the playoff poll.. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2010, 07:58:58 PM
Not 5-0.  ;)

Good luck this weekend 09

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 06, 2010, 03:30:46 PM
What happened to the site?  No one talking anymore?  Haven't heard from Blu in awhile.  It's wednesday, lets get some banter going! ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2010, 04:11:31 PM
Do you really think anybody cares about this wall when the Good Guys are not in the playoff picture???   ;)


D R .   S C O T T I E   S A Y S   T A K E   T W O   R E D S H I R T S   A N D   C A L L   M E   I N   2 0 1 1 ! ! ! !   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o                                  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 06, 2010, 05:12:31 PM
I noticed today that Ripon garnered some votes in the AFCA top 25 poll. 

Any scots making the trip up to ripon?  Bringing any bagpipes?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 06, 2010, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 06, 2010, 04:11:31 PM
Do you really think anybody cares about this wall when the Good Guys are not in the playoff picture???   ;)


D R .   S C O T T I E   S A Y S   T A K E   T W O   R E D S H I R T S   A N D   C A L L   M E   I N   2 0 1 1 ! ! ! !   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o                                  ;D

The good guys are....  That was my whole point!!   :D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 06, 2010, 07:12:18 PM
The way this conference is and the way some have assumed it will turn out is quite interesting.

BUT, it is hard to be the Voice of Reason when so many assume the outcome will be a certain way.

It is very nice to hear that Ripon has garnered some Top 25 votes. I like that.

scottie, not your normal to concede defeat so easily.

Double spacing so you can read between the lines. Is everything so set in all your minds that there is no doubt in the outcome?




GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 06, 2010, 08:51:43 PM
We're only 4 games in to the season, the way I see it is there are still 5 games left of the MWC playoffs.

-Every week can change the season-
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 06, 2010, 09:31:14 PM
Ya got that one right 09
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2010, 09:27:00 AM
A two-loss Conf. champ tie-breaker doesn't bode well for the Good Guys (the real Good Guys) now, does it?   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 07, 2010, 12:01:35 PM
There isn't going to be a need for a 2 loss tie breaker...  Just saying........
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2010, 12:04:47 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 06, 2010, 08:51:43 PM
We're only 4 games in to the season, the way I see it is there are still 5 games left of the MWC playoffs.

-Every week can change the season-

You Ripon guys need to get coordinated on your talking points!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2010, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 07, 2010, 09:27:00 AM
A two-loss Conf. champ tie-breaker doesn't bode well for the Good Guys (the real Good Guys) now, does it?   ;)

No it doesn't...but maybe it gives us an outside shot at a Pool C bid on Selection Sunday! ;)

P.S. - I like the sound of "The Real Good Guys", along with "Take 2 redshirts and call me in 2011!" ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 07, 2010, 01:14:25 PM
Do not overlook the possibility of a 1 loss team not making the play-offs. Like last year.  ::)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 07, 2010, 04:11:22 PM
Grinnell @ Knox-----------------------Grinnell 38-7
Monmouth @ Ripon------------------Ripon 35-17
Illinois College @ St. Norbert-------SNC 35-14
Beloit @ Lake Forest-----------------Beloit 42-14
Carroll @ Lawrence------------------Carroll 27-10

Game of the Week
??? Does Not Exist  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 07, 2010, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on October 07, 2010, 04:11:22 PM
Grinnell @ Knox-----------------------Grinnell 38-7
Monmouth @ Ripon------------------Ripon 35-17
Illinois College @ St. Norbert-------SNC 35-14
Beloit @ Lake Forest-----------------Beloit 42-14
Carroll @ Lawrence------------------Carroll 27-10

Game of the Week
??? Does Not Exist  ???



How about defending champions @ Ripon

I may be biased but that is the GOTW fo sho
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 07, 2010, 11:19:54 PM
Pulled this from the ATR from D3football.com:

Surprise Team of the Half-Year
Ripon (5-0, 4-0 in the Midwest Conference)

Okay, Ripon has averaged seven wins a season since 2006, so the fact that the Red Hawks are undefeated this point in the season isn't a completely surprise. But with defending MWC champion Monmouth reeling with the loss of All-American quarterback Alex Tanney to injury and St. Norbert losing early to Beloit, Ripon is in great position for the MWC title, and that's the thing no one saw coming.

Quarterback Jake Marshall and running back T.J. Pierce are combining for nearly 170 yards a game on the ground as the Red Hawks average 48.8 points in conference games.

Ripon, though, still has to beat St. Norbert, which is 3-1 and 3-2 overall. The Green Knights whipped Monmouth 48-2 last week  and is tied for second place in the conference with Carroll (4-1, 3-1) and Grinnell (4-1, 3-1).  The Red Hawks have already beaten Carroll and Grinnell while St. Norbert has yet to play them. The Green Knights will have to go on the road to play Ripon on Oct. 30. Jim Purtill, though, has led the Green Knights to eight MWC titles, the last coming in 2007.

Full Story http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/midwest-at-midway-point (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/midwest-at-midway-point)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2010, 09:01:30 AM
So let's try to put this in perspective.
Ripon is presently 4-0 in MWC play. Excellent.  :D
They have not played Monmouth.   :P
They have not played St. Norbert.   :-\
Is this really that surprising?   ???

Last year what was Ripon's MWC record before they played MC or SNC?  Or the year before?

I think the better discussion would be who wins conference in what scenario. We all know Ripon wins MWC Title if they win out. And they go to the playoffs. What happens if Carroll wins out? Or Grinnell wins out?  Or the really unthinkable, SNC wins out?

Which ones of these teams needs help from another to get where they want to be? Which teams control their own destiny?



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 08, 2010, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2010, 09:01:30 AM
So let's try to put this in perspective.
Ripon is presently 4-0 in MWC play. Excellent.  :D
They have not played Monmouth.   :P
They have not played St. Norbert.   :-\
Is this really that surprising?   ???

Last year what was Ripon's MWC record before they played MC or SNC?  Or the year before?

I think the better discussion would be who wins conference in what scenario. We all know Ripon wins MWC Title if they win out. And they go to the playoffs. What happens if Carroll wins out? Or Grinnell wins out?  Or the really unthinkable, SNC wins out?

Which ones of these teams needs help from another to get where they want to be? Which teams control their own destiny?



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Well that is an obvious answer.....  Ripon hasn't loss to anyone besides MC and SNC for years.  So they have always had 0 losses going intothose games.  Like I posted before, Ripon is now hitting their hard part of the schedule.  The good news is MC and SNC both come to RC.  Last time SNC was at RC, RC won.  Again.... I don't play the IF this team does this, or IF this happens, these teams will go here.  Let's play the games, see the score and then at the end of the season lets see who is going to the play-offs.  The great thing about football is that anyone can win any given Saturday, that's why we play the games.  I am certain that no matter what happens only 1 team from MWC will go to the Play offs. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 08, 2010, 11:11:33 AM
Very well stated. Redhawk Sighting. You could not have said it better. I think the best part so far for the MWC has been Grinnell. This is a team that has struggled so much in the past and they are starting to build a better program in football.

What can I expect when I visit Ripon this year. I missed it 2 years ago due to an injury. Only game I have missed. What are the facilities like?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 08, 2010, 11:42:59 AM
Picks for Week 5:

Grinnell @ Knox - GC
Monmouth @ Ripon - MC
Illinois C. @ St. Norbert - SNC
Beloit @ Lake Forest - BC
Carroll @ Lawrence - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  I may have picked with my heart rather than my head on this one, but that's my choice and I'm sticking to it! 8-)

And I agree with Redmen09...I'm biased also, but defending champs visiting the current conference leaders is probably the game of the week, by default. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 08, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 08, 2010, 11:42:59 AM
And I agree with Redmen09...I'm biased also, but defending champs visiting the current conference leaders is probably the game of the week, by default. ;)

Believe me, I watch Knox Football, I know a thing or two about inconsistency, and a team as inconsistent as Monmouth without Tanney/Shepherd going against the current conference leader is not a game of the week. Sorry! Honestly though, I was not that impressed with Ripon when they played here, they made tons of mistakes, the Knox offense just literally cannot do anything (and believe me it wasn't because of Ripon's D, it really isn't as good as you would think) i wouldn't be surprised to see Carroll or (most likely) SNC win conference
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on October 08, 2010, 12:47:34 PM

Believe me, I watch Knox Football, I know a thing or two about inconsistency,



Just out of curiosity, what exactly is inconsistent about Knox football?  By all measures, they have been consistently horrible for years, they're horrible now, and probably always will be horrible.

Sincerely,

Monmouth Fan   ;) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 08, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 08, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on October 08, 2010, 12:47:34 PM

Believe me, I watch Knox Football, I know a thing or two about inconsistency,



Just out of curiosity, what exactly is inconsistent about Knox football?  By all measures, they have been consistently horrible for years, they're horrible now, and probably always will be horrible.

Sincerely,

Monmouth Fan   ;) 

Dang it, scottie...you beat me to that one! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 08, 2010, 03:17:16 PM
I'd be careful scottie. The Turkey Bowl is in Galesburg this year and I don't think Tanney will give up his redshirt to play in that one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on October 08, 2010, 04:38:18 PM
My picks for this weekends games...

Monmouth vs Ripon.... Ripon 35 Monmouth 14

Grinnell vs Knox..... Grinnell 28 Knox 6

Illinois College vs St. Norbert.... St. Norbert 35 IC 21

Beloit vs Lake Forest..... Beloit 28 Lake Forest 21

Carroll vs Lawrence... Carroll 33 Lawrence 12

Let's hope I'm not 100% correct on this, HOPE to see the Scots pull one out to help a certain team in southeastern Wisconsin near Milwaukee!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 08, 2010, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on October 08, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 08, 2010, 11:42:59 AM
And I agree with Redmen09...I'm biased also, but defending champs visiting the current conference leaders is probably the game of the week, by default. ;)

Believe me, I watch Knox Football, I know a thing or two about inconsistency, and a team as inconsistent as Monmouth without Tanney/Shepherd going against the current conference leader is not a game of the week. Sorry! Honestly though, I was not that impressed with Ripon when they played here, they made tons of mistakes, the Knox offense just literally cannot do anything (and believe me it wasn't because of Ripon's D, it really isn't as good as you would think) i wouldn't be surprised to see Carroll or (most likely) SNC win conference

So with a 'better played game' Ripon would have had 650 yards rushing instead of 572?  They had 2 INT's, 0 fumbles (on 81 rushing attempts, pretty good average there) and 10 penalties (uncharacteristic) but other than that a well played game from what i saw.

And monmouth has shepherd, he had 6 catched last week against the stingy snc defense.  easily the GOTW
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 08, 2010, 08:00:25 PM
Co-GOTW.........................

Monmouth vs. Ripon and Carroll vs. Lawrence  :o Yes, I actually said it. Carroll is probably done with in the conference with one more loss. Ripon on the other hand would be in the conference race with a loss but would likely be out of Pool C contention. Lakeland doesn't exactly help their S.O.S.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 09, 2010, 12:03:28 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 08, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on October 08, 2010, 12:47:34 PM

Believe me, I watch Knox Football, I know a thing or two about inconsistency,



Just out of curiosity, what exactly is inconsistent about Knox football?  By all measures, they have been consistently horrible for years, they're horrible now, and probably always will be horrible.

Sincerely,

Monmouth Fan   ;) 

You may remember last year being up 7-0 at halftime in Galesburg. An unfamiliar situation for last year's fighting Scots team. Knox has glimpses of a good team, especially on the defensive side of the ball. The problem is the offense cannot consistently put drives together and keep the defense off the field. There are so many times where it'll be third and three and we have a false start, or we drive all the way down the field to fumble. Or we take a deep shot down the field and have a receiver drop an easy catch. With these offensive issues, the defense sees the field a lot longer than what they should have to, allowing teams like Ripon (who does have a VERY SOLID offense to get 572 yards, I only said I was not impressed with the defense).
Honestly if Knox plays up to their potential without making the mistakes that have plagues them for the last decade, they could compete with the upper half of the MWC, something about the program, or even the school as a whole, needs to change. Too many of our athletic programs are used to losing. I heard today that the only thing you learn from a loss is how to lose, and that seems to be the issue here. Most of the kids on the team had good high school careers at good high school programs, something about Knox just makes everyone play down.
That all being said, do not be surprised to see Knox slowly creep up the MWC rankings the next few years, we have a very good underclassmen group (most of our starters are sophs and freshs) and with a new head coach and a few extra years running the new offense and defense, Knox has a lot of room to improve.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 09, 2010, 01:09:30 PM
It's almost kick off time guys.............................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgeFdcnvugs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 02:12:23 PM
7-0 Ripon with 11:27 left in 1st
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 02:20:29 PM
7-6 Ripon with 8:47 left in 1st. Monmouth PAT blocked.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 02:33:33 PM
13-7 Monmouth with 4:37 left in 1st. Ripon fumbled punt return leads to score. RC special teams killing them so far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
MC now up 19-7 after another RC fumble in their own territory. MC failed two-point conversion. SNC up 6-3 on IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 03:00:49 PM
19-14 Monmouth. Personal foul on MC keeps RC drive alive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 03:16:40 PM
20-19 RC. PAT no good. IC and SNC tied at 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 03:26:05 PM
I lied about the RC PAT. Its 21-19 at half. IC is up 12-6 on SNC. Any other scores?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 03:57:50 PM
IC just pickes SNC for a TD. Now 19-9 IC with 9:09 left in third. RC now down 25-21 to MC with 8:36 left in third. Not sure how it happened.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 04:01:49 PM
Pick six for Blueboys.  8+ min left in 3rd.  Good guys 19 - Norb's 12.  The Blueboys could be up more, but I got to see something I've never seen before.  Norb QB sacked and fumbles in the end zone.  Blueboys recover.  Referees can't determine whether it was a safety or a TD.  So they replay second down.  Y'just can't make this stuff up...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 04:17:13 PM
Knights fumble deep in IC territory.  IC surrenders a pick after driving into Norb territory.  End of 3rd.  19-12 IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 04:29:34 PM
TD run for the Scots with 6:32 left in the game, PAT blocked...Monmouth up 31-21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 04:34:24 PM
22 yard pass completion for the Knights. :(  Point good.  :( 19-19. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 04:37:42 PM
Under 5 min.  Pick 6 for the Knights. :(  Extra no-good.  25-19 Norbs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 04:38:15 PM
TD run for the Redhawks with 3:09 left in the game, PAT good...Monmouth still leads 31-28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
On 4th and 5 on the Knights 20-ish, TD pass from Niekamp in the end zone. :D  IC up 26-25 1:48 left.  Hang on! :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
Ripon kicks a 32-yard FG, ties it up at 31-31 with 3 seconds left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 09, 2010, 05:00:07 PM
IC score?????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:01:19 PM
Ripon scores on the opening possession of overtime, PAT good...Redhawks up 38-31
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:02:16 PM
Blueboys pick off the Knights with 20 seconds left.  IC wins!!! 26-25 :D :D :D  Just looked out my window and what do I see but a flying pig! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:04:29 PM
Monmouth answers, PAT good...ties it up 38-38
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:07:40 PM
Monmouth scores again with the first possession of the second overtime, PAT good...Scots with the lead 45-38
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:09:05 PM
Ripon answers on their first play, PAT good...ties it up again, 45-45
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Ripon goes nowhere to start the third overtime, misses a 44-yard FG
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:17:11 PM
TOUCHDOWN SCOTS!!!  Yocum with a 4-yard TD run and Monmouth wins it 51-45 in triple overtime!!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 05:20:22 PM
That game really hurts Ripon. Too many turnovers in the first half. Had RC won, they basically has locked up the conference. They still control their own fate, but need to beat SNC who will rebound from today's game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
BTW Blu, I can't help but feel that you somehow, someway contributed to IC's win today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:22:54 PM
Dogs and cats sleeping together.  IC and MC win!  It's madness!  

Oh, and since we're all waiting on news, the mighty Klein Freshman Broncos downed the Eagles 19-7 to remain undefeated. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 09, 2010, 05:26:55 PM
Carroll leads Lawrence at halftime in Appleton 21-14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on October 09, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
BTW Blu, I can't help but feel that you somehow, someway contributed to IC's win today.

Flattered, but you'd be surprised to know how untrue that is...  Today is another reminder of the old adage "that's why we play the games."  To say the game was a thiller would be an understatement.  Coach Echouse really had the team ready to play ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:48:16 PM
I also just read on a facebook status update that Knox beat Grinnell today?!?! ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 09, 2010, 05:48:48 PM
Americas Team 33, Lake Forest 27 (ot)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:48:16 PM
I also just read on a facebook status update that Knox beat Grinnell today?!?! ???

Wow!  I just saw another pig fly by... :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:48:16 PM
I also just read on a facebook status update that Knox beat Grinnell today?!?! ???

Wow!  I just saw another pig fly by... :o

No kidding...according to the Grinnell website, Knox wins 31-21.

Hey scottie, maybe we were wrong...maybe Knox really is just inconsistent rather than horrible. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: GC Superfan on October 09, 2010, 06:14:15 PM
I'm trying to get more details on the Grinnell-Knox game. I can't believe we lost. It's KNOX.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 09, 2010, 06:14:49 PM
A crazy day in the MWC to say the least!  Can we all agree that every game was the GOW?   :D

What a comeback from last week for the Scots!

Will 7-2 win the conference.......outright???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 09, 2010, 06:23:20 PM
Congrats to the Blueboys. And thanks to the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 09, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
Well, when Americas Team wins out they will win the conference at 7-2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 09, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:02:16 PM
Blueboys pick off the Knights with 20 seconds left.  IC wins!!! 26-25 :D :D :D  Just looked out my window and what do I see but a flying pig! ;D

Job well done Blueboys...job well done blu!!  Congrats!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 09, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Any word from the Voice of Reason yet?  If the refs were horrible in a 48-2 win, I'd suggest putting the parental locks on the computer in preparation for today's assessment.... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on October 09, 2010, 09:17:47 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2010, 05:52:22 PM
Video | Recap


October 2, 2010
St. Norbert 48, Monmouth 2
More news about: St. Norbert
MONMOUTH, Ill. - St. Norbert College forced seven turnovers en route to its third consecutive blowout win with a 48-2 Midwest Conference victory over Monmouth College at April Zorn Memorial Stadium.

The Green Knights (3-2, 3-1 MWC) have outscored their opponents 174-28 in their last three games following an 0-2 start. Monmouth, the two-time defending MWC champion, likely saw its title hopes fade at 2-3, 2-2.
As Lee Corso would say....  "Not so fast my friend!!!"  I would not be surprised to see the MWC Champion have two losses when all is said and done this year.  Monmouth wins out, and they could likely at least grab a share of the MWC championship.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 09, 2010, 09:42:03 PM
Final
Carroll 21
Lawrence 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 09, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: cubs on October 09, 2010, 09:17:47 PM
Monmouth wins out, and they could likely at least grab a share of the MWC championship.

Well, then let's just take a look at what the Good Guys (the REAL Good Guys) have left:

Home vs. Lake Forest (Homecoming & 100% chance of a ScottieSightingtm)
Away vs. America's Team (The RoopSighting dependent on the Wisconsin Dept. of Wildlife Conservation schedule)
Home vs. Carroll (The "swing game" of the MWC crown?)
Away vs. Knox (Grinnell beats Monmouth + Knox beats Grinnell = Another Turkey Dinner in the Maple City...just go with it.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: BoBo on October 09, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:02:16 PM
Blueboys pick off the Knights with 20 seconds left.  IC wins!!! 26-25 :D :D :D  Just looked out my window and what do I see but a flying pig! ;D

Job well done Blueboys...job well done blu!!  Congrats!!

Bobo- Just about every time you visit, you get a +K from me!  However, don't really know what job I did.  The fact is, the coaches had the players prepared and the players showed resiliency.  One heck of an exciting game. Wish I could have been there.  Headin' up for the big HC tilt vs. Knox next weekend. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 09, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Any word from the Voice of Reason yet?  If the refs were horrible in a 48-2 win, I'd suggest putting the parental locks on the computer in preparation for today's assessment.... ;)

The Voice will be heard.  It was a just freaky day in the MWC and his team came up short.  But what I do want to hear about is the touchdown errrr, no, safety, I mean, fumble that wasn't?  I have never heard of a do over?  The announcer literally said the referees couldn't decide whether IC should have gotten a safety or TD (via a QB sack/fumble/recovery in the endzone), so they were replaying the down.  Did that really happen? What the....  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 09, 2010, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: BoBo on October 09, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:02:16 PM
Blueboys pick off the Knights with 20 seconds left.  IC wins!!! 26-25 :D :D :D  Just looked out my window and what do I see but a flying pig! ;D

Job well done Blueboys...job well done blu!!  Congrats!!

Bobo- Just about every time you visit, you get a +K from me!  However, don't really know what job I did.  The fact is, the coaches had the players prepared and the players showed resiliency.  One heck of an exciting game. Wish I could have been there.  Headin' up for the big HC tilt vs. Knox next weekend. 

btnt, it's all about stoking the fires and keeping the irons warm...you do that better than anyone. When IC has turned the corner and are a consistent & feared threat week-in, week-out in any game you play, you can say you were there in it's infancy. They haven't gotten over the hump quite yet, but hopefully that day will come sooner rather than later. Today was a good start. I'm sure it will feel pretty good when it does. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: janesvilleflash on October 09, 2010, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 09, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Any word from the Voice of Reason yet?  If the refs were horrible in a 48-2 win, I'd suggest putting the parental locks on the computer in preparation for today's assessment.... ;)

The Voice will be heard.  It was a just freaky day in the MWC and his team came up short.  But what I do want to hear about is the touchdown errrr, no, safety, I mean, fumble that wasn't?  I have never heard of a do over?  The announcer literally said the referees couldn't decide whether IC should have gotten a safety or TD (via a QB sack/fumble/recovery in the endzone), so they were replaying the down.  Did that really happen? What the....  ???

would have to be off setting penalties to replay the down.....I would think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 09, 2010, 11:26:39 PM
Due to a "misinterpretation of company policy" on my part  ::) (she was of age  ;)) My next two weekends are free.

Thus sayeth The Roop. Therefore I shall travel upon Beloit to see Americas Team smote the upcoming foes. So let it be written, so let it be done. Here endeth the lesson.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 10, 2010, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on October 09, 2010, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 09, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Any word from the Voice of Reason yet?  If the refs were horrible in a 48-2 win, I'd suggest putting the parental locks on the computer in preparation for today's assessment.... ;)

The Voice will be heard.  It was a just freaky day in the MWC and his team came up short.  But what I do want to hear about is the touchdown errrr, no, safety, I mean, fumble that wasn't?  I have never heard of a do over?  The announcer literally said the referees couldn't decide whether IC should have gotten a safety or TD (via a QB sack/fumble/recovery in the endzone), so they were replaying the down.  Did that really happen? What the....  ???

would have to be off setting penalties to replay the down.....I would think.

Yup, that'd be an easy and plausible explanation.  But there were no flags.  I was watching it on a 2" x 3" screen, so there may have been things I missed.  However, there were several things that suggest it was something other than the offsetting scenario you suggest.  1) Again, no flags on the field.  2) The announcer's call (and I'm paraphrasing), The referees can't decide on whether it was a safety or a touchdown, so they're replaying the down.  3) IC's coaches appeared VERY dissatisfied with the call. 

Now, I know it is beyond rare that coaches accept a controversial descending call with favor, but there's a difference sometimes between anger and incredulity.  If asked to accept what was explained on the streaming feed, then incredulity is an understandable and expected response.  I'm not trying to make a big deal of this.  We won and that's cool.  And I'm not suggesting anything funny.  Bad calls happen.  But when you take an apparently clear TD, or safety away (at the very least), and then ask the negatively impacted team to accept a "do-over" as a satisfactory solution to your indecision, that's a bit BIZZARE.

Ultimately, I'm not trying to create or suggest an issue.  I was hoping the esteemed VoR was at the game and would offer what he may know about the call.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 10, 2010, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: BoBo on October 09, 2010, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: BoBo on October 09, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:02:16 PM
Blueboys pick off the Knights with 20 seconds left.  IC wins!!! 26-25 :D :D :D  Just looked out my window and what do I see but a flying pig! ;D

Job well done Blueboys...job well done blu!!  Congrats!!

Bobo- Just about every time you visit, you get a +K from me!  However, don't really know what job I did.  The fact is, the coaches had the players prepared and the players showed resiliency.  One heck of an exciting game. Wish I could have been there.  Headin' up for the big HC tilt vs. Knox next weekend. 

btnt, it's all about stoking the fires and keeping the irons warm...you do that better than anyone. When IC has turned the corner and are a consistent & feared threat week-in, week-out in any game you play, you can say you were there in it's infancy. They haven't gotten over the hump quite yet, but hopefully that day will come sooner rather than later. Today was a good start. I'm sure it will feel pretty good when it does. 

It was a very exciting game.  Maybe if we play it 10 times, we'd only win 2 (this season), but we won this one, and Blueboy Nation's flag is flying a bit higher today. :) My son reports a much more enjoyable bus ride back.  It's gonna be an exciting season in the MWC.  One thing's for sure, with yesterday's result, the mighty Blueboys will have, and have had, an impact on the race for the season's conference crown.  Who knows, maybe they're even thinking about getting measured for it themselves???  Woah!  Now I'm talking crazy.  Damn that caffeine!  ;D

As for my role in any of yesterday's result, no way!  What I do on this board, I do as a fan.  It has no bearing on this season, whatsoever.  However, it is not done w/o some intended beneficial purpose.  My hope is to create some increase in awareness of IC Blueboy football.  There is something REALLY exciting going on in the program.  If we can get folks taking about IC football (and we are), if we can create a better fan experience (and we are), if we can get the message out to future recruits (and we are), and get them on campus to meet the staff and see the facilities, Coach Campbell and said staff can reel them in (take it from me, it's that impressive). There may not be a whole lot of recent MWC Championship skins on the wall, but if I were one of the coaches for the traditional powers of the MWC, I'd be a lot more concerned, today, when my potential recruits tell me they're next or previous visit is/was to check out IC.  Whether at all, or how much of a role any of these efforts play in that, is debatable.  Fact is, I'm not entirely sure the staff is loving any of this.  But again, I'm a fan.  And, this is how I do "fan".  But hey, thanks nonetheless for the love. ;) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 10, 2010, 10:39:27 AM
Good Morning Gentlemen, you too scottie.  ;)

#1 As I stated last week, you complain about referees when you win, not when you lose.

#2 There was a whistle that blew during the end zone play. It was heard very plain by a large number of people. It was shorter than normal but it was blown. That may explain to some of you why a couple SNC players did not bother to pick up the ball in the end zone when they were standing next to it.

#3 I do not know the rules in those cases, but I was told this morning that in HIGH SCHOOL that an  inadvertent whistle allows the offense to choose whether to take the play as called or replay the down. Believe me I was surprised by the call. You all saw on the internet how long that call took to make. Again, not when you lose.

#4 IC was ready. No doubt.

#5 MWC is totally up for grabs.......AGAIN!

So, if you want to discuss anything else about this game, send me a private note with your phone number. I will return your call. But understand. I am a father of a player that I am very proud of. I am proud of things I saw him do during the game yesterday. I am proud of a team that came back. I am proud of a team that showed class in some very interesting situations.

So to those of you that thought parental controls better be in place.....scottie....sorry to disappoint.  ;D


Hitting the road soon. But one more thing.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 10, 2010, 10:59:52 AM
SNC- I never expected anything but the "VoR" in your handling of the defeat.  And, as such, I was not disappointed in your reaction.  I hope my posts did not reflect anything less than happiness over the win, and sincere appreciation for the team we played.  I am not much of a chest pounder in victory because I know the week to follow may bring equal or greater need to be humble...

The "call" was just a matter of extreme curiosity.  Not a complaint.  I even stated that I didn't want to make a bigger deal of it, nor that there was anything funny going on.  As a coach, I have never accepted that the refs beat us. But I do believe that the crews vary week to week in their competency. 

You are a great fan with equally great reason to be proud of your son, team, and the school they represent.  This was just a loss.  Not the first, nor the last.  There's a lot of teams with a lot to play for in the MWC.  The Knights remain one of them.  Best of luck the rest of the way! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 10, 2010, 11:37:23 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 10, 2010, 10:59:52 AM
But I do believe that the crews vary week to week in their competency. 

Just wait until basketball season and you will see how understated that comment is.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 10, 2010, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 10, 2010, 11:37:23 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 10, 2010, 10:59:52 AM
But I do believe that the crews vary week to week in their competency. 

Just wait until basketball season and you will see how understated that comment is.

Basketball???  What is this thing you call "Basketball". ???  First cheese curds, now basketball.  There's a whole other world out there.  Probably a lot like Texas, just frozen, huh? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 10, 2010, 12:11:55 PM
I don't think there is any favoritism/home cooking going on but fouls are rarely the same thing twice. It seems to apply to MWC games only however. For example there was a MWC crew for the IWU-Carthage NCAA game last season and they did a fine job. Fans for each team didn't think so but as a neutral observer I thought they called a good game.

Basketball, hmm.................. I've heard they do have it in TX but your confusion is understandable. It was invented by James Naismith to give his phys-ed class something to do in winter months and is played indoors in something called a gymnasium. (or gymnasivm when at Lawrence) Originally a peach basket was used and the object of the game was to put the ball in the basket. Hence the name "basketball". It actually caught on in some places. Go figure.............................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 10, 2010, 05:22:12 PM
blu, I did not take anything you said as negative. It appeared that a number of people asking on the board what had happened were unfortunately not able to hear the whistle on that end zone play. I figured that would help to explain why things happened the way they did. Even if it does not explain the time it took............ oops. Slipped.  ::)

And Roop, this thing you call basketball?!?! Where is America's team in the pre-season rankings?!?!?!    :D   Could not resist.

Well, took a back woods drive home. Beautiful fall day and decided road rage on I43 and I94 was not interesting to me today.

I think the worst thing that happened this weekend was realizing how close it is to over. 4 regular season games left.  :'(

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 10, 2010, 06:00:32 PM
SNCOLDAD,

You could have resisted but chose not to. I know you :P In this afore mentioned basketball thing, Americas Team should be picked 5th or 6th in the MWC when the coaches poll comes out. Lower than that and the coaches don't know what they are talking about, higher than that and the "sleeper cell" cover is blown. Hush hush....................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 10, 2010, 07:58:47 PM
SNCOLDAD, You are a gentleman, a scholar, a patriot, and, if I may channel blu for a moment, a pretty dag gum good father. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 10, 2010, 09:25:02 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 09, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 09, 2010, 05:48:16 PM
I also just read on a facebook status update that Knox beat Grinnell today?!?! ???

Wow!  I just saw another pig fly by... :o

No kidding...according to the Grinnell website, Knox wins 31-21.

Hey scottie, maybe we were wrong...maybe Knox really is just inconsistent rather than horrible. ;)
I guess now would be a good time to say I told you so  ;)
And in all honesty, we should have won by a lot more than 10. Our offense played decent, but still made a lot of mistakes, we were at least able to run the ball a little bit which was very good to see. It's a good thing our defense had 6 picks and 2 fumble recoveries because Grinnell made a pretty decent comeback towards the end. We had enough big plays and were able to take enough time off the clock so that our mistakes didn't hurt us as much as Grinnell's mistakes hurt them. I guess you could say we played Saturday like the Chicago Bears have played most of the season so far, not good, but good enough to win.
BTW 3 of our 6 picks were from Senior Linebacker Kevin Beck, who also plays baseball and is one heck of an athlete. Congratulations to Coach Eisele for his first win as Knox College's head football coach.
(Any Lake Forest alums/fans may remember Coach Eisele)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 02:45:25 AM
Now we just need Lake Forest to get the skunk out of the boat. I've followed the MWC since 1972 and have never seen a race like this. I think it's great. It doesn't immediately help, respect wise, on the national scene but this close competition does make the conference better.

Seeding will play a role, obviously, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a 2 or 3 loss MWC team get a win in the first round of the play offs. Much better than an undefeated or 1 loss team getting beaten like a rented mule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 11, 2010, 07:58:54 AM
Hey Knoxie- Congrats on the big win!  I guess our meeting this weekend will be a lot more interesting a game than most would have figured at the beginning of the season.  You going? 

Gotta agree with Roop.  As a first year MWC fan, I really like the race rather than a runaway.  Better all around for the conference.

Scottie- Congrats to the Scots for doing thier part to make this season exciting for all involved.  I watched the end of your game on the web.  In watching the Ripon offense, I had to wonder, "Does the town of Ripon have a soda fountain in the local drug store and sundries shop?" ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 10:09:08 AM
OMG blu. Never ever, ever never, never ever congratulate scottie. Sooner or later (usually sooner) we'll all have to pay for it somehow. Good Guys this, Good Guys that. Blah blah blah. It would be as though I called Beloit Americas Team or something. 

But as far as Ripon goes.......... yes. No disrespect intended to the fans and/or residents of Ripon, WI. It is the birth place of Americas Party after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJlNw0myBG4
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 11, 2010, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 10:09:08 AM
But as far as Ripon goes.......... yes. No disrespect intended to the fans and/or residents of Ripon, WI. It is the birth place of Americas Party after all.


Its also the birthplace of the Real Americas Team  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 10:28:12 AM
scottie, Thank you. I try.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 11, 2010, 10:29:02 AM
blu:

While I appreciate you directing congratulatory remarks my way, and generally would have no problem accepting such praise on many many matters  ;), the truth is that I was busy all weekend completing certification for my Class M license  8-).  (I wonder if there is anyone I can call in Edinburgh to order some tartan chaps.....?)   ;D

All of the congratulations go to Coach Bell and the crew for preparing the Scots and their freshman QB to perform at such a competitive level after a demoralizing afternoon last week at the hands of the green machine.  Should be an exciting finish to the MWC season! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 11, 2010, 10:19:57 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 10:09:08 AM
But as far as Ripon goes.......... yes. No disrespect intended to the fans and/or residents of Ripon, WI. It is the birth place of Americas Party after all.


Its also the birthplace of the Real Americas Team  ;D

Is there trash talking going on here ?? Really ?? My advice is for Ripon to come out of the locker room this Saturday and ask Beloit for autographs. No shame in forfeiting when you can't win.  ;) Same goes for Mt. Monmouth the week after.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 10:58:56 AM
Enough already.This conference is up for any team that wants to go to the playoffs. And I am here to make my statement on this.

St. Norbert Green Knights will share the conference title but with the head to head wins, the Knights will be in the playoffs.

There. The VoR has finally stuck his neck out. I really try to avoid these things but I think this year with the way the conference is going, I will allow myself.

So let the trash talking start. This is going to be a very fun and bittersweet 4 weeks.  8-)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 11, 2010, 10:59:40 AM
No trash talking (in that statement), just a history lesson on the origin of Americas Team.  ;)

And, scottie claimed the Real Good Guys already so thats all that was left.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 10:58:56 AM
St. Norbert Green Knights will share the conference title but with the head to head wins, the Knights will be in the playoffs.

Considering Beloits "gimme" schedule the rest of the way I'd say that the Green Knights will need to wait for a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 11:20:42 AM
 ;D Now we are getting somewhere. And where do you see SNC losing 2 more games??? Because Beloit will be lucky to go .500 the rest of the season!!    :P

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 11:33:01 AM
Share the title all you want but where is your head to head win vs. Beloit ??  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 11:52:09 AM
Come on Roop. How many MWC losses do you have today? And how many will you have after you finish the rest of the schedule at.500 or worse?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 12:14:09 PM
No challenges the rest of the way SNCOLDAD. Beloit has Ripon and Monmouth at home, then travels to Lawrence and fiinishes off the "regular season" with a cake walk against Illinois College. Hmmmmmmmm. Could it be the championship game on Nov. 6th. Both teams have beaten St. Norbert so why not  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 11, 2010, 12:16:09 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 10:58:56 AM
Enough already.This conference is up for any team that wants to go to the playoffs. And I am here to make my statement on this.

St. Norbert Green Knights will share the conference title but with the head to head wins, the Knights will be in the playoffs.

There. The VoR has finally stuck his neck out. I really try to avoid these things but I think this year with the way the conference is going, I will allow myself.

So let the trash talking start. This is going to be a very fun and bittersweet 4 weeks.  8-)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D :D :D :D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 12:41:45 PM
Maughn throws for 1217 yards, Steward rushes for 758 as Beloit sneaks by Ripon 324-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 11, 2010, 01:53:21 PM
Dad-gum! ;) I step away for a few hours to do my real job and the crap hits the fan!  I can't leave yall unsupervised for very long now, can I? ;D

Well, since yall cracked the seal, I'll take a drink.  If IC can go up to DePere and vanquish the Knights, why not finish the season by stomping a mud-hole in "America's Team".  I mean, LF took them to OT. ???  Then, assuming the IC coaches have some vintage film to study (from the 70's), figuring out Ripons offense shouldn't be too hard.  So, what's left?  Grinnell?  Knox beat 'em, so how hard can that be?  And then, we have Knox this weekend.  They'll have had time to realize that they've already received their once/decade miracle.  They'll lay down nicely for us.  With a little help in someone stepping up to knock out Carroll & MC, IC is left standing tall at season's end. 

And when all this plays out, I'm gonna petition Pat for immediate "All-Universe" status. I want it all!  The upgrades to first class, the priority baggage handling, no luggage fees, the whole enchilada... 

What started as a lone voice from Texas, has become Blueboy Nation...  Should I make some room on the bandwagon, boys? :o ;D :o ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2010, 02:31:45 PM
Stomping a mud hole in Americas Team. Confirmed, plausible or denied. Myth Busters say DENIED.

Shame on you blu
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
Now we are getting somewhere. blu, you disappeared on us for too long. Roop, it is about time you showed yourself on a regular basis.  ;D

So. Everyone wants it.  But which team will stand up and take it.  ???

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 11, 2010, 02:58:57 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 02:45:04 PM

So. Everyone wants it.  But which team will stand up and take it.  ???


What does it matter?  Which ever one does will get monkey (donkey for those in Texas) stomped in the first round of the playoffs. ;) ;)

No offense intended I just wanted to get in on the smackdown going on.

GO WARHAWKS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 11, 2010, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
Now we are getting somewhere. blu, you disappeared on us for too long. Roop, it is about time you showed yourself on a regular basis.  ;D

So. Everyone wants it.  But which team will stand up and take it.  ???

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

GO WARHAWKS

So that's how you do that.  Though it has been thought impossible I have learned something new.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 03:03:57 PM
There we go. That's the ticket. Of course you are assuming one of 2 things:

1. A trip to Whitewater would occur for the MWC rep in the first round. A distinct possibility always for the MWC representative(s)

2. That the MWC has not improved enough to make a good showing in the first round no matter who the opponent.  >:(

But you have earner the right with UWW's record the last few years.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 03:05:18 PM
Now reverse the colors.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 11, 2010, 03:08:43 PM
GO WARHAWKS

I am a fast learner.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 03:11:13 PM
That did not help though. My old eyes just can't adjust to that color combination.  :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 11, 2010, 03:35:56 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 11, 2010, 02:58:57 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 02:45:04 PM

So. Everyone wants it.  But which team will stand up and take it.  ???


What does it matter?  Which ever one does will get monkey (donkey for those in Texas) stomped in the first round of the playoffs. ;) ;)

No offense intended I just wanted to get in on the smackdown going on.

GO WARHAWKS

While history is certainly in your corner, it's a new day with a new world order.  What all are about to learn is that we've been sending ladies in to do a BOY'S job! ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 11, 2010, 03:46:41 PM
I will most certainly be at the game this Saturday in Jacksonville and I think it will be a fairly good game, although in all honesty I don't think our boys have it in them to beat IC quite yet. Our defense is going inverse this year (they can actually defend the pass decently but can't stop the run to save their lives). Anyways, if Knox wins out do we still have a chance at the conference title? Ha, probably not, but it sure will be nice to beat Monmouth to spoil their chances! Ripon, Carroll, and St. Norbert: We prairie fires are on your side!
How cool would it be if Carroll pulled off the conference championship?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 11, 2010, 04:13:48 PM
Not cool at all!!!  ;) We all know the color most illustrative of "cool" is BLUE! Now that's cool! ;D

Look for the RV with the IC Blueboy banners flying proudly.  It'll be in a small parking area at the end of the field furthest from the school.  (Note that despite the beverage obsticles, we still have enough sense to conveniently locate tailgating activities.) That smell will be ribs!  Done Texas style cuz, everybody knows we don't play around when it comes to cooking meat!  (We'll leave the cheese preparation to those from WI.)  I'll be wearing a Blueboy hardhat.  (There may be two of us sporting the hardhats, but I'm the better looking one.  The other guy is from Florida.  I really don't know about those folks from the "Sunshine" state (if you know what I'm sayin') ;D

Hope to see you... I'll have a blue cup waitin' ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 04:15:52 PM
Knox, you were doing fine right to the last statement. That would not be cool at all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 09:28:04 PM
This is D3 EFFORT at its best. I can not take credit.


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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 11, 2010, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2010, 09:28:04 PM
This is D3 EFFORT at its best. I can not take credit.


That is a great pic, SNCOLDAD. Did #26 (the DB?) tip the ball? It looks like the ball has changed alignment. I assume the white jersey player (WR?) caught the ball for a TD - looks like he's right on it if he stayed in bounds. That official looks very intense!! ;)  The photographer should be happy to be in the right place at the right time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 12, 2010, 01:13:18 AM
That photo is awesome. I was jumping back-and-forth from the RC-MC game and that one and was fortunate enough to see that play. Great catch in a big game. Doesn't get much better
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 12, 2010, 08:15:45 AM
Speaking of viewing the games on line. Saturday was my first time to do it. I had a lot of issues with the video portion of the feed. Mostly still shots with a good audio feed from the announcer. I have very good speed on the home network. My questions are: Is this common? Was I the only one?  It did get better when I shrunk my screen down to about 2" x 3", but that shouldn't impact tha, should it? Anyway, if there's a secret, please let me know.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 12, 2010, 08:39:04 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 12, 2010, 08:15:45 AM
Speaking of viewing the games on line. Saturday was my first time to do it. I had a lot of issues with the video portion of the feed. Mostly still shots with a good audio feed from the announcer. I have very good speed on the home network. My questions are: Is this common? Was I the only one?  It did get better when I shrunk my screen down to about 2" x 3", but that shouldn't impact tha, should it? Anyway, if there's a secret, please let me know.   

I have the same issue, it really depends on the home team's equipment.  When I watched the RC @ GC game, it was horrible, however when I watched the RC home games, every once in awhile it will still frame on me.  I also watched the MC @ LU game and it was good.  So I really think it has to do with the home teams equipment...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 10:18:08 AM
Hey Blu -it seems you are a bit more active on the board this weeks than in the past few.  Wonder why? Oh ya probably because your Longhorns didn't lose this weekend. ;D  After watching the game on Saturday it looks like SNC should be a 60+ point favorite when they play Ripon in a few weeks. :o Anyway getting back to the Scots pretty impressive performance when you look at the number of young players that were playing on both sides of the ball for them. I think at one time I counted five freshman on the offensive side of the ball- thats was probably as many or more than even made the travel team last year. With this youth comes inconsistency-and I know you can't possibly compare this recruiting class to IC"s but I think the future is looking pretty good for the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
Could somebody post the current conference standings- and does anyone know the tiebreaker for a four-way tie. I just can't keep up with it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 12, 2010, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
Could somebody post the current conference standings- and does anyone know the tiebreaker for a four-way tie. I just can't keep up with it!

I haven't seen the current rules but according to the 2007 or 2008 MWC Football handbook the tiebreaker go:
1) Head-to-head
2) Conference quarters lead
3) Coin flip
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 12, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
Could somebody post the current conference standings- and does anyone know the tiebreaker for a four-way tie. I just can't keep up with it!

Doesn't matter, there won't be a 4 way tie.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2010, 11:44:17 AM
I am not going to try to figure out all the permutations and combinations. We can get a math major to do that. What I will say is SNC has their 2 losses in conference for the season. Where that leaves the rest, get the math major.  ;D


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 12, 2010, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 10:18:08 AM
Hey Blu -it seems you are a bit more active on the board this weeks than in the past few.  Wonder why? Oh ya probably because your Longhorns didn't lose this weekend. ;D  After watching the game on Saturday it looks like SNC should be a 60+ point favorite when they play Ripon in a few weeks. :o Anyway getting back to the Scots pretty impressive performance when you look at the number of young players that were playing on both sides of the ball for them. I think at one time I counted five freshman on the offensive side of the ball- thats was probably as many or more than even made the travel team last year. With this youth comes inconsistency-and I know you can't possibly compare this recruiting class to IC"s but I think the future is looking pretty good for the Scots.

SNC must have been a 70+ point favorite when they played IC then... ;)  Thats why they play the games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 12, 2010, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2010, 11:44:17 AM
I am not going to try to figure out all the permutations and combinations. We can get a math major to do that. What I will say is SNC has their 2 losses in conference for the season. Where that leaves the rest, get the math major.  ;D


GO GREEN KNIGHTS

:o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D  SNC should stay home the rest of the season!!  I guess the season is over congrats SNC....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2010, 12:30:59 PM
Redhawk. Don't be that way. I am sure you will make somewhat of a game out of it.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2010, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
Could somebody post the current conference standings- and does anyone know the tiebreaker for a four-way tie. I just can't keep up with it!

http://www.d3football.com/conf/MWC/2010/standings
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2010, 01:51:10 PM
Ask for something, and Pat delivers.

Thanks Pat
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 04:06:24 PM
Should have asked him if the UMAC gets a Pool A next or year if it will be 2012 with their re-organizing. That will mean one less at large bid out there so the chances of the MWC ever getting 2 in are probably behind us. Strangely enough it might actually help getting a home game though.

St. Norbert @Carroll
Ripon @Beloit
Lawrence @Grinnell
Knox @Illinois College
Lake Forest @Monmouth

No mathematically eliminated teams are playing each other so which isn't the GOTW ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
They get a bid in 2011.

That means one less Pool B bid, most likely, *not* one less Pool C bid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 04:14:05 PM
I hope you're right but unfortunately the written procedures and what the NCAA actually does can be two different things.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2010, 04:21:03 PM
No, Roop, this is math. Nine teams get removed from Pool B and they plus one new football team starting in 2011 get added to Pool A. That changes the ratio.

If the NCAA gets it wrong, we will call them on it. We've done it in the past, and they've corrected it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 12, 2010, 05:03:17 PM
The Roop:

1. I think you are right.  All of this week's games are GOWs.

2. Don't look behind the curtain.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 05:18:48 PM
Thank you for the info Pat. If my calculations are correct there does exist a scenario where 6 teams could tie with three losses. Who is to say thats impossible with the way this year is going!  How bout if we take the best players from all the teams who tie for the conference and go play Whitewater????  Still doubt if we'd have much of a chance LOL! But I will say this regardless of which MWC team goes to slaughter in the 1st round  they still won't be the weakest team it the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 05:30:30 PM
Well scottie I've met you and have seen Pat from a distance, so I know you're not one and the same. Why the sudden concern over me looking behind the curtain ??? Afraid I might figure out which of you is pulling the strings.................

Moncolfan............... It has been a long time since the MWC entrant has been the worst in the field but an All-Star team with only one week of practice has as much chance of beating Whitewater as does scottie making sense.  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 06:11:58 PM
Jeez Roop I wasn't really serious about that - my point was the talent might still not be the same. IAnd in regards to the conference I'll even say IC is better than two or so of the teams that get in this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 06:20:21 PM
Didn't think you were serious but any excuse to pick on scottie and I take it. You inadvertently set me up for it. LOL.

Wish I could tell you which team does get in this year but with the remaining schedule lets just put names in a hat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2010, 06:37:39 PM
As I stated before, SNC already has its 2 MWC losses for the YEAR.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 06:54:41 PM
http://www.midwestconference.org/poll.aspx?poll=2

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 12, 2010, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 10:18:08 AM
Hey Blu -it seems you are a bit more active on the board this weeks than in the past few.  Wonder why? Oh ya probably because your Longhorns didn't lose this weekend. ;D  After watching the game on Saturday it looks like SNC should be a 60+ point favorite when they play Ripon in a few weeks. :o Anyway getting back to the Scots pretty impressive performance when you look at the number of young players that were playing on both sides of the ball for them. I think at one time I counted five freshman on the offensive side of the ball- thats was probably as many or more than even made the travel team last year. With this youth comes inconsistency-and I know you can't possibly compare this recruiting class to IC"s but I think the future is looking pretty good for the Scots.

For the record, my absence from the board had nothing to do with the Horns, any more than my return this week has to do with IC's victory.  I was traveling all last week. There were a couple other contributing reasons, but this board is not the place for them.  Answer me this though; you mentioned Ohio State in a recent exchange, I gather you're a Buckeye fan.  Just curious, as you certainly have all the ear-markings.  

I've never suggested that IC's class is better than anyone else's.  Only that Coach Campbell's classes seem to be dramatically improving with each year.  I suspect that this season's positives will continue that upward trend.  Of course, all I got to see was them moving furniture, what could I possibly know? ??? Now, if IC could just drop their admission standards to match MC's, then we'd really kick-butt! ;)  Dang!  This must be how Notre Dame feels... ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 12, 2010, 07:04:57 PM
Actually Blu hmmm I'm a Northwestern fan and then a Big Ten fan. Can't help but root for a team from the home state.  I think if Ohio wins saturday they are looking good though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 12, 2010, 07:20:52 PM
Northwestern??? Awesome.  Me too.  Have you caught wind of a kid named Venric Mark?  If you haven't you need to.  This kid's special. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 12, 2010, 07:29:06 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2010, 06:37:39 PM
As I stated before, SNC already has its 2 MWC losses for the YEAR.  ::)

You guys are at Carroll this week.... I wouldn't be to confident...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Phred on October 12, 2010, 07:39:26 PM
Why doesn't the Midwest Conference have a "pick 'ems" board?  Time to make things more interesting.
Unfortunately, I do not do data collection well, so I hope someone else would pick it up.  I'll be picking every week however the late start in the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 07:56:03 PM
We usually sucker somebody into doing that for basketball but I'm not sure why there are no volunteers for football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 12, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
blu, I understand the travel and we do have to work. It can greatly hamper time to spend here.

Redhawk Sighting..... I Understand why you wouldn't.    ;)

This year, more than any, I appreciate d3 Football, the MWC and all its schools, and most of all St. Norbert.

This challenge that lays ahead over the next 4 weeks for so many teams in this conference, heck, for all the teams in this conference as some will want to be spoilers. This is what D3 sports is all about. Forget the TV's. Forget the USA today polls. Forget all the hype. This is all about a bunch of young men playing for the love of a sport. In some cases their last 4 games they will ever play.

I will be cheering on SNC. That is why I am here on this board. But I applaud the MWC for giving us a season unlike any other I have seen or heard of. This next month is going to be a blast.


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
I've been looking at the remaining schedule and I'm not seeing Moncolfans 6 way tie scenario. I did find a 4 way tie, (Ripon wins that one) so we may need some further details from him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 13, 2010, 01:12:05 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 12, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
I've been looking at the remaining schedule and I'm not seeing Moncolfans 6 way tie scenario. I did find a 4 way tie, (Ripon wins that one) so we may need some further details from him.

Here's my take on this six-sided Rubik's Cube discussion. It's possible and plausible to have six teams share conference title in the MWC at season's end. Wow what a season of unexpected surprises... :-[ :-* :-\ :-X :o

IF St. Norbert loses to Carroll, IF Monmouth falters to Beloit, IF Ripon loses to Beloit & St. Norbert, IF IC slips to Ripon, IF Beloit loses to IC, IF Carroll loses to Monmouth & Grinnell. A six team tie results with St. N, Monm, Rip, Grin, ILL, Beloit and CarU. share conf. records at 6-3. Grinnell experiences letdown with losses to St. Norbert and IC in their remaining games to leave them out at 5-4. Imagine all the possibilities.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 06:32:13 AM
Interesting but IMO the best scenario is for Beloit to win out and Carroll lose two more times. It also saves the NCAA money as the trip to Whitewater is only 30 minutes by bus. Not sure who Beloit will host in the second round however.  ;) My guess would be the MIAC runner up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 13, 2010, 06:38:42 AM
This is makin' my head hurt. :P  It seems a bit silly too.  A far more likely scenario is IC wins out, Carroll and MC drop a couple, and God's Team (that's not taken is it) heads to Whitewater to shock the world. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 06:45:23 AM
That might be likely if they played Americas Team already. Crazy theories like this might cost somebody a t-shirt and cheese curds.

If you are sincere about pursuing your Master of Arts in village idiocy I will accept you as my paduwan learner. However. Keep it somewhat real dude. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 13, 2010, 07:21:22 AM
And there goeth the chili mix... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 08:05:08 AM
OK, it's on now............................................ 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2010, 08:39:32 AM
I'm Loving It.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 08:53:30 AM
4 and 3 and 2 and 1. And when Americas Teams is on the field, the Blue Boys run...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrWud7T8q5A
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on October 13, 2010, 10:29:02 AM
With all the tiebreaker scenario chatter going on, I started thinking about teams that could break away from the pack.  For MC, I like the fact we have LF & the Siwash left to play and we have CU at home.  Just not quite sure about BC on the road...  What about other teams?

My worries include the fact that, though we won @ RC and our passing, rushing and receiving leaders were all freshmen, they're still freshmen.

Also, a fan at the game said that if Tanney & Blodgett were healthy, the Scots could've really run up and down the field on the RC defensive backfield.  I didn't see the game and it's just their opinion, but curious if that's a concern for you 'hawks fans.  Three of the four teams you play are in the top four in the MWC in passing. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2010, 11:47:36 AM
Scottie predicts that SNC and MC will run roughshod through the next three weeks, which should get all of the little brothers back in the pack and set things up for the final week.  While the Scots are humiliating the Siwashians (not to be confused with the Kardashians, other than their minimal athletic prowess) once again, Lake Forest gets their first victory of the year in "Do-you-believe-in-miracles?" fashion.  The (REAL) Good Guys pack their backs for a rematch with the Tommies and embrace the "educational experience" of returning to the playoffs.   ;)

W I L L  S M I T H  L I K E S  T H E  S C O T S  B E C A U S E  T H E Y  A R E  F R E S H  M E N ,  R I G H T,  U N C L E  P H I L ? ? ? ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA8i8lfsoGk&feature=related
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 11:59:47 AM
I take a nap and suddenly there is a bagpipe overdose.................................. Maybe Pat posted all of that. Anyway ! ! ! ! ! ! As for any confusion about Monmouth on the road at Beloit. Beloit is running the table. No need for the tartan clad faithful to speculate further.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 13, 2010, 05:25:27 PM
A NAP?!?!   :o


There is smack to be talked and you are taking a nap???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 05:37:21 PM
Cat sitting isn't a very quiet process when one of 3 of 3s decides she doesn't like mine any more. All went well for several hours and then evil demon spawn Sammy decided to not like sweet innocent Americas Cat Sassy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 13, 2010, 06:33:29 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 05:37:21 PM
Cat sitting isn't a very quiet process when one of 3 of 3s decides she doesn't like mine any more. All went well for several hours and then evil demon spawn Sammy decided to not like sweet innocent Americas Cat Sassy.

Man Card, revoked! Oh, and every masculine impression I may have once had of you, are now shattered...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
You can't revoke my Man Card for owning a cat Hank Hill. I have a propane grill and propane accessories.

As for cat sitting. Not so much cat sitting as it was me loaning 3 of 3 my truck for the night so she could go to class. I just brought fat girl along this time but probably won't do it again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 13, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
I'm affraid if any teams break from the pack it will be the usual suspects, Monmouth and St. Norberts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 13, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: warthog on October 13, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
I'm affraid if any teams break from the pack it will be the usual suspects, Monmouth and St. Norberts.

Don't be affraid.  Embrace the future.  I've seen it.  I've tried to share it.  Stop fighting it. Join with me in the celebration that Blueboy Nation is here.  Can I get an Amen???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 13, 2010, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
You can't revoke my Man Card for owning a cat Hank Hill. I have a propane grill and propane accessories.

As for cat sitting. Not so much cat sitting as it was me loaning 3 of 3 my truck for the night so she could go to class. I just brought fat girl along this time but probably won't do it again.

Cats and gas grills. Now you're cookin'! Just remember: Cats aren't pets, they're what pets eat! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 14, 2010, 10:22:55 AM
Ripon and Carroll have my respect. They have 1 loss in conference. What is not to respect. Scared? NO. Respect? Yes.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 14, 2010, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: warthog on October 13, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
I'm affraid if any teams break from the pack it will be the usual suspects, Monmouth and St. Norberts.

WOW...  Ripon is getting no Respect here!  If I were the rest of the teams on here I would start over looking Ripon right now and just worry about MC and SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 14, 2010, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 13, 2010, 07:15:45 PM
You can't revoke my Man Card for owning a cat Hank Hill. I have a propane grill and propane accessories.

As for cat sitting. Not so much cat sitting as it was me loaning 3 of 3 my truck for the night so she could go to class. I just brought fat girl along this time but probably won't do it again.

Hank Hill, a propane grill, and propane accessories...that is fantastic, The Roop!  Classic stuff right there! :D

Should be interesting to see if this weekend clears things up or just clouds the picture even more.  Picks tomorrow...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 14, 2010, 02:05:50 PM
Scottie is en route, with a few business stops along the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 14, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Gotta admit the Hank Hill reference got me too. Funny stuff. But grilling with propane is, well, for guys who cat-sit.   ;D

Hey, how bout that! I'm first on page 400. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 14, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 14, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Gotta admit the Hank Hill reference got me too. Funny stuff. But grilling with propane is, well, for guys who cat-sit.   ;D

Hey, how bout that! I'm first on page 400. :D

I agree, much rather grill the old fashion way..  Propane takes the tast away..  Also Blu, even though it's WI, I still grill year round.  Just shovel a foot path to the grill and get to work.  Almost bought a house that had a grill in the basement...  Wife thought it might be a fire hazard :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 14, 2010, 04:23:30 PM
Actually I prefer charcoal myself but when you're only cooking for 1 you're eating steak in 10 minutes with propane; not waiting another half hour for the coals to get ready. So sometimes a compromise is in order.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 14, 2010, 10:40:45 PM
I prefer digging a pit, filling it with firewood, and setting it ablaze.  When the fire dies down throw a bunch of aluminum foil wrapped meat on the coals, cover the foil wrapped meat with wet boards, and cover the wet boards with dirt.  Next day uncover the pit and enjoy your feast.  Unfortunately, I'm affraid most campuses would frown on this type of food preparation.  >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 14, 2010, 11:58:36 PM
I don't think that would fly at an apartment complex either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on October 15, 2010, 01:55:19 AM
Hey, Blu.  It's a bye week for my team so we're getting up early in the morning to get on the plane for Lincoln.  If the Horns lose, blame it on the Okie, but we'll be up in Section 20 with the other "visitors"

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 15, 2010, 07:36:44 AM
At the airport.  Jettin' up to J-ville this AM.  Looks like it'll be a nice weekend culminated by a Blueboy romp!

Roop- When we meet, you'll be quick to realize, I never compromise when it comes to food... ;)

Tmerton- I envy you.  I've wanted to see a game in Lincoln.  That'll be a good one.  Not holding out much hope.  I've gotten the impression we've pissed them off one time too many.  Went to my first Red River Rivalry game.  That'll be a one-time thing.  Too much hate for my taste.  I've heard the fans in Lincoln are the best in the country. Something tells me that they may suspend some of their behavioral expectations...  Travel safe.  Hook'em Horns! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2010, 01:06:45 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 15, 2010, 07:36:44 AM
Roop- When we meet, you'll be quick to realize, I never compromise when it comes to food... ;)

Let me know how long your stay in Beloit will be, what your looking for and I'll provide you a list of Roop approved restaurants. J.A.K.S. sports bar (actually in South Beloit, IL) has the best "scenery" if you know what I mean  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2010, 02:38:12 PM
Picks for Week 6:

Ripon @ Beloit - RC
Lawrence @ Grinnell - GC
Knox @ Illnois C. - IC
Lake Forest @ Monmouth - MC
St. Norbert @ Carroll - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Hopefully last week's momentum carries over for a big homecoming win...and scottie will even be in attendance for it! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
The Scottie has landed.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Phred on October 15, 2010, 05:39:10 PM
Wish we had a pick'ems board.  To bad I ccan't count...or spell.

Lawrence vs Grinnell......music wins.

Ripon vs Beloit.........Ripon rolls.

Lake Forest vs Monmouth........LF too much sunbathing in the  autumn sun.  Monmouth

St. Norberts vs Carroll....will watch SNC win on internet..?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Phred on October 15, 2010, 05:40:14 PM
Why the negative Karma?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 15, 2010, 06:32:58 PM
I didn't do the negative karma, but I wish you could count also. MWC has 10 teams, which means 5 games.

Also, as I was reprimanded when I was a youngster on this board, it is St. Norbert. No s.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 15, 2010, 07:10:12 PM
It's a Chamber of Commerce day in J-Ville.  The school is really bringing it for Homecoming. Blueboy Nation is in full force!  It's gonna be a bad day for Knox.  Best of luck to all.  Let's have an injury free day tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 15, 2010, 10:21:30 PM
Ripon @ Beloit - Ripon 17-3
Lawrence @ Grinnell - Grinnell 35-7
Knox @ Illnois C. - IC 35-14
Lake Forest @ Monmouth - Monmouth 42-14

Game of the Week:
St. Norbert @ Carroll - St. Norbert, 21-17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2010, 10:25:48 PM
Not many posts for a Friday. Is it the off season or what ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 07:49:44 AM
Ripon @ Beloit - Beloit 24-21 (Roop rallies troops with rousing halftime speech)
Lawrence @ Grinnell - Grinne 38-14 (Angry Grinnell out to prove they really are better than Knox...)
St. Norbert @ Carroll - St. Norbert 28-20  (Knights not gonna lose 2 in a row)
Lake Forest @ Monmouth - Monmouth 24-17 (Home cooking give Scots late score to win)

Game of the Week:
Knox @ Blueboy Nation - IC 42-10 (I'm at the game.  What more inspiration can a team have?)

 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 08:42:11 AM
Holy Crap!  Have any of y'all stepped outside today?  Where'd I wake up?  The Arctic Circle? 

I had pizza last night that was like a pie.  I liked it.  So, I guess not all great ideas come from Texas. Just most of them... ;D

Once the ice thaws later this morning, it should be a great day for football.  Best of luck to all except those who stand in Blueboy Nation's path to the crown.  I'll be posting updates on the GOW. ;)  Safe travels!

Gotta go help make the ribs!  I'm working on blue BBQ sauce...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 08:48:41 AM
Just wait until November in WI. FYI. Always subtract 10 degrees from the temperature when at Strong Stadium. It will still be double digit weather then so shorts are in order.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 16, 2010, 08:49:30 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 08:42:11 AM
Holy Crap!  Have any of y'all stepped outside today?  Where'd I wake up?  The Arctic Circle? 

I had pizza last night that was like a pie.  I liked it.  So, I guess not all great ideas come from Texas. Just most of them... ;D

Once the ice thaws later this morning, it should be a great day for football.  Best of luck to all except those who stand in Blueboy Nation's path to the crown.  I'll be posting updates on the GOW. ;)  Safe travels!

Gotta go help make the ribs!  I'm working on blue BBQ sauce...

Blu, I know you are the self appointed expert on a wide variety of topics, but you don't know jack about cold.  We will let you know when it's cold.  This is what's known as "football weather."

I was once part of a basketball team that had a player from Nigeria. On the first 50 degree day of the fall he showed up at the gym in an enormous, quilted winter coat, hat, gloves, scarf, the whole works.  We told him, "we will let you know when it's cold."  As the temperature kept dropping he'd ask every day, "Is it cold yet?" We'd so "not yet" and he'd shake his head in disbelief.  Finally we hit a January day when the temp was about -5 with a wind chill of close to -30 (yes, blu there is such a thing as negative temperatures).  We called his apartment at 7:00 a.m. and said, "NOW, it's cold."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 08:59:30 AM
Not his fault Bill, those from the Republic of Texas have a crisis when it gets below 80.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 09:03:09 AM
Bill- I hear ya.  And, actally, I do know cold.  Here's a little secret I haven't shared.  I come from Midwest roots.  Born in Chicago.  Spent my first 8 years in the IL area.  Then my folks took me to God's country (Texas).  I lived there 5 years and then they took me to New England (A.K.A. Hell on Earth).  Got back to Texas as quick as I legally could.  Been there since.

As far as my self-appointment, I saw it as a job that needed doing, and vacant. So I stepped in. It's my nature.  I raise the bar.  It's all I've ever done.  It's part of my life-long commitment to making everything I touch better.  It's a full-time job.  I even have business cards stating that purpose.  Your recognition of same is all the thanks I need... ;D

And, you're right.  This is football weather.  It's my one beef about HS football in Texas.  The games through mid-Oct. are steamy sweaty experiences.  This is a spectacular day for football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 09:03:09 AM
As far as my self-appointment, I saw it as a job that needed doing, and vacant. So I stepped in. It's my nature.  I raise the bar.  It's all I've ever done.  It's part of my life-long commitment to making everything I touch better.  It's a full-time job. 

I will assign you the football board as your first task my paduwan learner but the basketball board is mine. Patience or you will not be accepted as a master in to the New Roop Order.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2010, 09:15:49 AM
OK all. It appears that football is secondary at Carroll. Since they have a soccer game to play we have a late start. 4:00 PM for those of you that may not have noticed. What this does mean is that I expect updates on ALL games. Roop, you better be ready to text me the scores.

Last 4 weeks of the MWC regular season. Bittersweet!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 09:22:37 AM
I will text you Americas Team updates SNCOLDAD but it will be dependent on the PennAtlantic broadcast. Due to an unexpected chain of events I will not be in Beloit today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 16, 2010, 09:49:13 AM
It is Faculty and Staff Appreciation Day at Carroll today. They've always had this game playedlater in the day, even when they don't have soccer. Probably an attempt to validate the lights at the stadium. Look at it as an oppurtunity to tailgate longer.

Last time St. Norbert traveled to Waukesha the Green Knights barely escaped. Hopefully the Pioneers can take them this time around. This is probably the biggest football gameon Carroll's campus since 1997 when they won the Midwest Conference North Division. I'm hoping the Pioneers figure out whatever it is Beloit and IC did to the Green Knights. 34 years is long enough to wait between playoff appearances.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 10:38:14 AM
Well SNCs fake punt attempt on their own 19 in the 4th quarter didn't help them. Not sure how Beloit tricked them in to doing that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 10:58:30 AM
No worries, Obiwan, when we're stop talkin football, I'll vanish lie a puff of smoke...

Update on the rib action here at Blueboy Nation central (conveniently located at the south end of the football field). We've gone with some kinda St. Louis style. Using cherry wood on marinated ??? pork ribs. Never heard of such madness! But dang! They're looking good. Even a self appointed expert on all can learn a thing from time to time.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 11:00:58 AM
Ribs vary region to region as does chili.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 11:42:39 AM
Here's another variant you may have never heard of blu. In WI ribs are typically done in a crock pot/slow cooker with sauerkraut for about 4 hours. Mmmmmmmm Mmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 02:06:18 PM
2nd play of the game Knox QB 60+ yards untouched to the house. 7-0 Knox.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 02:35:17 PM
3 straight 3 n outs for IC. Offense can't get on track. Knox is just flat whippin us right now. Knox kicks a field goal. 1:51 in the 1st. 10-0 Knox.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2010, 02:44:33 PM
20-0 MC over LF, midway thru 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 02:53:01 PM
73 yard Blueboy drive aided by a 4th down offsides call. Blueboys trail 10-7 early in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 03:05:53 PM
After 2 Knox turnovers, momentum shifting in favor of Hte Blueboys. 8:25 left in 2nd. Blueboy Nation enjoys a 14-10 lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
Immediate response by Knox. 77 yard bomb. Missed XP. 16-14 Knox
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2010, 03:11:12 PM
MC 27-0 @ half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 03:24:33 PM
IC drive falls short. Field goal. IC leads 17-16 at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 16, 2010, 03:45:11 PM
Beloits camera stinks..  Keeps freezing up..  Driving me nuts..  SNC score?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 16, 2010, 03:52:11 PM
RC 14-13..  2m left in 3rd Review to follow game...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 04:07:50 PM
It's midway through the 3rd. Still 17-16 Blueboys. I just want to go on record that these refs suck. Honestly, te refs at my pee-wee games are better. I think both teams have reason to complain.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 16, 2010, 04:12:44 PM
28-13 RC in the 4th....  Great run by RC... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 04:17:01 PM
Wow! Talkabout game changers! Knox drives all the way to the IC 4. QB makes a bad pitch that gets scooped up on the hop by an IC defender who takes it all the way back. IC 24-16 at the end of the 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 16, 2010, 04:29:50 PM
35 - 20 RC..  RC is running up and down the field on BC's D....  Right up the gut..... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 16, 2010, 04:39:47 PM
Ripon Wins!!  Great second half, I missed the first. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 04:41:08 PM
Blueboys put icing on the cake. 82 yd. drive. 31-16. 7:25 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 04:52:38 PM
PENALTIES PENALTIES PENALTIES. Only one was questionable so I'm not complaining about officiating. Where is the short passing game that was mentioned in the Beloit Daily News about a month ago ?? Here's a hint, when all else fails just tell Carrier to take off. It usually = $$$ in the bank.

That was a lame game Bucs. Were you afraid of winning or what ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 04:55:06 PM
No offense to Ripon or their fans intended. The Beloit offense simply didn't help the Beloit defense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 05:10:19 PM
IC just won its 400th game. 31-23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 05:18:27 PM
I guess that means I'll have to approach the "chosen people" hat in hand on Nov. 6th. Rub it in now so you get it out of your system  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2010, 06:17:00 PM
20-6 SNC half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 16, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
Grinnell 31
Lawrence 17
Final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 07:32:16 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 05:18:27 PM
I guess that means I'll have to approach the "chosen people" hat in hand on Nov. 6th. Rub it in now so you get it out of your system  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(
There'll be nothing of the sort.  I've learned that pounding one's chest can turn into one's A$$ getting kicked in as short a time as 7 days.  

Oh, and so all can rest easy, I will share that the mighty Klein Freshman Broncos vanquished the formerly undefeated Tomball Patriots 27-25 to remain, themselves, undefeated on the season. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 16, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
30-6 final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2010, 07:41:07 PM
Sheeeeeeeeewwwwww, I was worried about that one. Tomball nearly covered the RoopVegas spread. That would have cost me some coin.  :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 16, 2010, 07:50:23 PM
Final
Lake Forest 10
Monmouth 27
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 17, 2010, 08:49:40 AM
What a great day in Blu's world.  As mentioned, the Mighty Klein Freshman Broncos prevailed over those pesky Tomball Patriots.  Then, with the glow of that victory still warming the heart, the Blueboy's overcame a sluggish start to provide Blueboy Nation (A.K.A. The Chosen People) the proper outcome for their Homecoming.

Some of you may have noticed that the Longhorns sent the Huskers off to the Big 10 with a giant raised middle-finger. ;)  (Editor's note: All should know that Nebraska's departure was precipitated by the fact that they came to the realization they may NEVER beat Texas.  Thus, they sought an easier route to BCS opportunities.) ;D  

To that end; as a result of my failure to predict said outcome, and the discovery that I do, in fact, have a great deal to learn about cooking ribs, I am imposing, upon myself, a 10 day suspension from my position as Self-appointed expert on everything (except basketball and baseball). ;)  Let it be known that following the suspension I will re-apply.  Somebody's got to do it.

Anyway, just when I figured things couldn't get better, the aggies get it handed to them at home by Mizzou.  I go see the movie "Red" (BTW- two thumbs up.) at one of J-Ville's (2) movie houses.  I come out of the theater learn there had been a cherry placed on the whip cream, on the icing, of the cake of my day.  The Luckeyes got it handed to them by Wisconsin.  Maybe that'll shut them up... Nah, not likely.  What a great day!   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2010, 12:12:45 PM
Ripon @ Illinois College
Carroll @ Knox
Grinnell @ St. Norbert
Monmouth @ Beloit
Lawrence @ Lake Forest

I'll step in as self proclaimed expert on everything, on an interim basis, and say that we will have 4 games this week with "shake up" implications. Ripon is the only team that controls it's own destiny. A loss by them changes 783 scenarios for the remaining teams still in contention. Only one game this week has no bearing on the championship.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
I see that only the "pranksters of record" have voted but the main stream posters need to participate, as a control group, or the poll won't be accurate.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tmerton on October 17, 2010, 11:39:23 PM
Hey blu, nice win by IC yesterday.  I checked it in the Omaha papers at the airport on the way back from Lincoln watching the Horns and the Huskers (nice shirt we saw - "Corn versus Cows").  Nebraska folks are nice, and I'm married to one of them (who was dressed in red and white), but we had a great time up in the Texas section.  Nebraska folks were very complimentary, even after the game - much more than Tehas folks would be in defeat, as our friends from Austin remarked.  So you be a good winner, now - ya hear?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 09:05:31 AM
I wake up this AM and what do I find?  A referendum on l'il ol' me?  I teared up.  This is is # 3.  #'s 1 & 2 were the birth's of my children.  And today, a poll of my very own...  

Now, I'm no expert ;) on polls, but I see some decending votes. I'm gonna find out who you are and it's gonna cost you some K's...  Further, I've put my campaign team directly on this.  We're gonna make reinstatement happen. We're not beyond demanding a recount. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
T- I hear ya about the Horns' fans.  Let me tell you, at 49, I've mellowed.  I went to my first UT/OU game 2 weeks ago,  It will also be my last.  Great game! The stadium is charged!  I've never been part of anything like it.  I go to about 4 UT games per year.  With my daughter graduating in December, and the belief that my son has a chance to play next season, that number should dwindle.  I have grown weary of some of the abhorrent behavior I have witnessed at the games.  But the Red River Rivalry experience was at a whole other level.  I would have to say that, with no bias, the ridiculous behavior was 55/45 in OU's favor.  That measurement was taken before the outcome.  Needless to say it was 90/10 OU after the game. 

As a coach and fan, I have no tolerance for fans screaming negatives from the stands.  I don't even yell at the officials when I'm on the sidelines.  I don't mean there can't be disapproval expressed.  Just the nasty, hateful, and frankly, embarrassing stuff.  It's one of the things I love about HS football.  It's what I've come to love about D3 football.  It's just not the place for profanity, stupidity, and hate.  There's an expectation of sportsmanship.  Wins are fun.  And while losses suck, there's a lot less "life or death" reaction. 

I've always heard great things about Nebraska's fans.  I envy them that.  I know the Huskers were pretty geeked up to end the series on a positive note.  Perhaps too much so.  It's gotta stick in their craw like nothing else that we've owned it (9-1).  Lincoln remains one of the places I must see a game before I die.  Nebraska can count on me pulling for them at least once/year.  And that's when the play Ohio State.  Should you have a chance to experience that, you may find the OSU fans to be a bit tough to take. I know I did. 

Statements regarding Ohio State's fans do not reflect the opinions of D3  Football, it's management, or it's sponsors.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 18, 2010, 09:41:27 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 09:05:31 AM
I wake up this AM and what do I find?  A referendum on l'il ol' me?  I teared up.  This is is # 3.  #'s 1 & 2 were the birth's of my children.  And today, a poll of my very own... 

Now, I'm not expert ;) on polls, but I see some decending votes. I'm gonna find out who you are and it's gonna cost you some K's...  Further, I've put my campaign team directly on this.  We're gonna make reinstatement happen. We're not beyond demanding a recount. ;D

I woulda voted for your return earlier, but it wasn't an option!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on October 18, 2010, 09:46:29 AM
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 18, 2010, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
T- I hear ya about the Horns' fans.  Let me tell you, at 49, I've mellowed.  I went to my first UT/OU game 2 weeks ago,  It will also be my last.  Great game! The stadium is charged!  I've never been part of anything like it.  I go to about 4 UT games per year.  With my daughter graduating in December, and the belief that my son has a chance to play next season, that number should dwindle.  I have grown weary of some of the abhorrent behavior I have witnessed at the games.  But the Red River Rivalry experience was at a whole other level.  I would have to say that, with no bias, the ridiculous behavior was 55/45 in OU's favor.  That measurement was taken before the outcome.  Needless to say it was 90/10 OU after the game.  

As a coach and fan, I have no tolerance for fans screaming negatives from the stands.  I don't even yell at the officials when I'm on the sidelines.  I don't mean there can't be disapproval expressed.  Just the nasty, hateful, and frankly, embarrassing stuff.  It's one of the things I love about HS football.  It's what I've come to love about D3 football.  It's just not the place for profanity, stupidity, and hate.  There's an expectation of sportsmanship.  Wins are fun.  And while losses suck, there's a lot less "life or death" reaction.  

I've always heard great things about Nebraska's fans.  I envy them that.  I know the Huskers were pretty geeked up to end the series on a positive note.  Perhaps too much so.  It's gotta stick in their craw like nothing else that we've owned it (9-1).  Lincoln remains one of the places I must see a game before I die.  Nebraska can count on me pulling for them at least once/year.  And that's when the play Ohio State.  Should you have a chance to experience that, you may find the OSU fans to be a bit tough to take. I know I did.  

Statements regarding Ohio State's fans do not reflect the opinions of D3  Football, it's management, or it's sponsors.


I traveled to Columbus to see the BADGERS play OSU during Ron Dayne's senior season.  It was a great game.  WISCONISIN came from behind to score 31 unanswered points and beat the Buckeyes.  We were going wild chanting RON DAYNE everytime he touched the ball and by the end of the game half the Buckeye fans in our area had cleared out.   Afterward we hit the bars around the stadium and I was a little worried because we were wearing BADGER gear.  But I was amazed how gracious the Buckeye fans were.  Several of them complimented us, as if we had anything to do with it, on the game and some even bought us drinks.  All in all in was a great experience and I didn't meet a single Buckeye fan who was anything less than gracious.







Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 10:55:46 AM
Hawk- I am glad that was your experience.  I did the UT/OSU game back in 2005.  Your experience wasn't anything like mine.  I was harrassed before the game and all I was doing was wearing a Longhorn shirt and hat.  No provocation whatsoever.  I went to great lengths to conceal my celebrations during the game.  I was genuinely fearful as I walked to the car.  I was verbally abused the next morning at the airport.  And, I don't mean the fun way.  Even the OU fans two weeks ago were more gracious (and that is not intended to insult OU fan as Longhorn fan really doesn't have a leg to stand on).  I'm not trying to make this a discussion on Ohio State football. I was just relating an experience in response to tmerton's comments on Husker fan.  The whole OSU experience soured me toward a team I, at one time, really liked.  The Big 10 is actually my 2nd favorite conference.  I follow Northwestern for personal reasons.  I want to make games in almost all the stadiums. I'm done on the subject, as this really isn't the place for extended dialog on it.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on October 18, 2010, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
As a coach and fan, I have no tolerance for fans screaming negatives from the stands.  I don't even yell at the officials when I'm on the sidelines.  I don't mean there can't be disapproval expressed.  Just the nasty, hateful, and frankly, embarrassing stuff.  It's one of the things I love about HS football.  It's what I've come to love about D3 football.  It's just not the place for profanity, stupidity, and hate.  There's an expectation of sportsmanship.  Wins are fun.  And while losses suck, there's a lot less "life or death" reaction. 

I completely agree with this statement and I appreciate it being expressed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 09:05:31 AM
Now, I'm no expert ;) on polls, but I see some decending votes. I'm gonna find out who you are and it's gonna cost you some K's...  Further, I've put my campaign team directly on this.  We're gonna make reinstatement happen. We're not beyond demanding a recount. ;D

When you look at all the options in the poll there is really only one vote against you blu. I know who was logged in when that one was cast so what's this information worth to you ?? I don't look at it as extortion, rather a consultation fee. And if said voter wishes to remain anonymous I will call it a security fee. Win - win for The Roop  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 01:04:51 PM
Name your price.  If it's fair, we can strike a deal.  No real plan for retribution.  It's just a "Keep your friends close, and your enemies, closer" kinda thing.

I may also wish pay to ascertain who took my K's.  I took a 15% hit this AM.  What?  Is it something I said??? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2010, 01:11:33 PM
Don't know about the bad k's or the no vote, but a plus your way for losing to Ripon.  ::)

Hey, we all know Roop can be bought. I figured I would try you also.



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 01:04:51 PM
Name your price.  If it's fair, we can strike a deal. 

It sure would be nice to have a pizza at Domenicos some time that weekend and have somebody else buy......... Reasonable enough ?? I'm cheap but I'm not free.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
Blu ~ I voted no... Figured there was no reason for  you to lose your voice at all.....  Does that sound like a good excuse?  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
That response isn't consistent with the wording of the poll, so don't believe him blu. Probably just another attempt by Ripon fans to keep Beloit fans down  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 01:04:51 PM
Name your price.  If it's fair, we can strike a deal. 

It sure would be nice to have a pizza at Domenicos some time that weekend and have somebody else buy......... Reasonable enough ?? I'm cheap but I'm not free.

Reasonable enough.  Don't get much good pizza down here, anyway.  Besides, I don't think the tailgate theme is gonna be chili that weekend.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
Blu ~ I voted no... Figured there was no reason for  you to lose your voice at all.....  Does that sound like a good excuse?  ;D :D ;)

I hear ya, Roop.  I gave the K just for the logic applied.  Of course, this weekend, he'll be cryin' the blues (no pun intended) for the shoddy treatment of his Red Hawks at the hands of the Blueboys.  There's still time to join Blueboy Nation. ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 02:40:40 PM
While an IC win does benefit Americas Team, playoff chances aren't mathematically dead, I'm not ready to join the Blueboy Nation at this time. Just because it's taking on water, in Titanic proportions, I can't abandon the Buccaneer Ship just yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 03:07:34 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
Blu ~ I voted no... Figured there was no reason for  you to lose your voice at all.....  Does that sound like a good excuse?  ;D :D ;)


I hear ya, Roop.  I gave the K just for the logic applied.  Of course, this weekend, he'll be cryin' the blues (no pun intended) for the shoddy treatment of his Red Hawks at the hands of the Blueboys.  There's still time to join Blueboy Nation. ;D



I was waiting for this.  For me this is such a great game.  It's an opportunity for you to watch(on your computer screen) the option ran properly and also it's a great opportunity for me to smile after the W....  So Blu it starts today!!!!!

I'm having Joe Namath flashbacks!  Bring it! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2010, 03:52:10 PM
I will be checking with others much smarter than I in matters such as this.... ???

But I believe this week I am a RIPON FAN!    ;D

Of course that will all change next week.   ;)

But as they say....and as this conference dictates this year...... One Week At A Time. :)


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 18, 2010, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 16, 2010, 05:10:19 PM
IC just won its 400th game. 31-23
Pretty exciting finish, sorry I never got over to you, I got there a little late and had to leave right away but it was a good game, I do have to ask though, how did IC beat St. Norbert????? I mean we got whipped by em, and in all honesty we kicked butt Saturday, too bad for the 81 yd fumble recovery for a touchdown that killed us. At least we didn't give up and made a pretty good comeback. We really need to work on our kicking game, missed xp and missed short field goal. All well, if your gonna lose might as well lose to a team that you like right? Btw, why are all announcers in the conference terrible? I mean IC's wasn't all that bad, actually probably one of the better ones, but none of them are good, our's is probably the worst. Just a question though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 18, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
I'm gonna start the picks a little early this week.

Carroll at Knox (Homecoming!!!!)-------------------Knox 21-14
Grinnell at St. Norbert------------------------------SNC 49-14
Lawrence at Lake Forest--------------------------LFC 38-35
Ripon at Illinois College-----UPSET SPECIAL!!!------IC 27-24

Game of the Week
Monmouth at Beloit------------------------------MonmNOPE! Beloit 28-27
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2010, 03:52:10 PM
I will be checking with others much smarter than I in matters such as this.... ???

But I believe this week I am a RIPON FAN!    ;D

:o Shame on you. Ripon can't win again or Beloit is out of playoff contention. What were you thinking with a comment like that ??

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2010, 04:37:57 PM
And?????? Come on Roop. Keep thinking........You can get it......... 

;D  :D  ;)  8-)

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
How did St. Norbert do in their conference opener again ?? <insert crickets chirping>

I'm not 100% on how Grinnell factors in but if a mere 11 things happen, in order, Beloit goes to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 04:45:17 PM
Knox- Y'all did surprise me. We came out flat.  As I related to someone else, your QB is a good athlete.  However, if he had to throw the ball > 20 yards down field, it was a duck.  Fortunately for him our DB's provided lots of room for those ducks to land.  Our failure to close on the ball was a bit alarming.  Fortunately, Ripon still refers to it as "the forward pass"... ;)  I've heard that with Ripon coming to town, IC is promoting "Leather Helmet Day".  Should be fun.

Y'all converted way too many 3rd and longs.  It was a gutsy performance for the Prarie Fire.  Much respect.  

Actually, I think our announcer is pretty darn good.  He really adds some fun to the game.  Don't know how the others are, but I enjoy the call of the game at IC.  Especially when I hear "And that's another Blueboy firsssst downnnn!"

Sorry we didn't get to meet up.  

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 04:51:49 PM
All this selfishness is getting a bit troubling.  When I try to figure out who needs to do what in order for (insert team) to wear the crown, my head starts hurting and I get a nose bleed.  Here's what I recommend to all.  Close your eyes and just think about what's best for the conference.  And that's simple.  The Blueboys, and the rise of Blueboy Nation.  Admittedly a bit premature, as I was thinking more next year than this one, but I could live with it.  I think we'd all benefit from it. So let's stop all this nonsense and start pulling in the same direction. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
So much delusion on this board.  Roop you are hanging on to tight, I'm afraid what you might do once the it really sets in that Beloit is done... :o :o :o :o

Now as for the SNC game..................... Well we'll discuss that next week, this week we'll just "worry" about IC.  Now Blu, you might need to wear a leather helmet to keep from banging it against your desk while trying to figure out where the ball is..  It might be old school, but it's old school that has kept Ripon in the top 3 for a LONG time and has lead the conference in total yards.  Throwing the ball is not as exciting as running it and not knowing which 3 players have the ball.  I might be a little bias to the TRIPLE option.......   I will not be doing picks this week, because the only game that matters is the RC vs IC game.....  And we'll just have to wait till 4pm on Saturday to see how that game goes...  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
So much delusion on this board.  Roop you are hanging on to tight, I'm afraid what you might do once the it really sets in that Beloit is done... :o :o :o :o

You're right. If Beloit gets eliminated I'll probably do something really crazy like having another beer and wait for baskball season. I'm dangerous and reckless like that.  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 18, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
So much delusion on this board.  Roop you are hanging on to tight, I'm afraid what you might do once the it really sets in that Beloit is done... :o :o :o :o

You're right. If Beloit gets eliminated I'll probably do something really crazy like having another beer and wait for baskball season. I'm dangerous and reckless like that.  8-)

haha....  Then I'll have to worry about you all over again... :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 18, 2010, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 18, 2010, 04:51:49 PM
All this selfishness is getting a bit troubling.  When I try to figure out who needs to do what in order for (insert team) to wear the crown, my head starts hurting and I get a nose bleed.  Here's what I recommend to all.  Close your eyes and just think about what's best for the conference.  And that's simple.  The Blueboys, and the rise of Blueboy Nation.  Admittedly a bit premature, as I was thinking more next year than this one, but I could live with it.  I think we'd all benefit from it. So let's stop all this nonsense and start pulling in the same direction. ;D

Yeah, maybe you'd better wait 'til next year to say the Blueboys would be best for the conference.  Would it really be good for the MWC if the conference champ lost by 11 at home to a Millikin team who is 0-3 in the CCIW?! :o ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2010, 05:30:57 PM
IF Beloit is knocked out? Roop, Roop, Roop! These delusions you are having are incredible.

And blu. I hope you are not going to watch your game this weekend on web TV. You will never see the ball when Ripon is on offense. Web TV is too slow and too small

And Roop, I may just have to join you on the basketball board this year. Just for chuckles.

Anyone else want to join me to discuss D3 Hockey???

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 18, 2010, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on October 18, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
I'm gonna start the picks a little early this week.

Carroll at Knox (Homecoming!!!!)-------------------Knox 21-14
Grinnell at St. Norbert------------------------------SNC 49-14
Lawrence at Lake Forest--------------------------LFC 38-35
Ripon at Illinois College-----UPSET SPECIAL!!!------IC 27-24

Game of the Week
Monmouth at Beloit------------------------------MonmNOPE! Beloit 28-27

I think thats the first time you've picked Knox to win in your picks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 18, 2010, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2010, 05:30:57 PM
IF Beloit is knocked out? Roop, Roop, Roop! These delusions you are having are incredible.

And blu. I hope you are not going to watch your game this weekend on web TV. You will never see the ball when Ripon is on offense. _____ is too slow and too small

And Roop, I may just have to join you on the basketball board this year. Just for chuckles.

Anyone else want to join me to discuss D3 Hockey???

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Are you talking about web broadcasts or the Blu Boy defense?  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 18, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
whoooooaaaaaaaaaa! +K for that one.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Is delusional the only big word that is taught on the Ripon campus ?? Typically I'm more obsequious than that but I think it's a fair question given all the theories about me recently.  :D

Look at the remaining schedules, do the math and you will see that Beloit is not done yet. NASA is still calculating the probability and hasn't given me odds but Americas Team is still alive.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 19, 2010, 12:10:22 AM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 18, 2010, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on October 18, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
I'm gonna start the picks a little early this week.

Carroll at Knox (Homecoming!!!!)-------------------Knox 21-14
Grinnell at St. Norbert------------------------------SNC 49-14
Lawrence at Lake Forest--------------------------LFC 38-35
Ripon at Illinois College-----UPSET SPECIAL!!!------IC 27-24

Game of the Week
Monmouth at Beloit------------------------------MonmNOPE! Beloit 28-27

I think thats the first time you've picked Knox to win in your picks

Nah, I picked us to beat Wash U and Larry. I was gonna pick us to beat Grinnell but I didn't want to get laughed at by those mean monmouth boys again  ;D  Idk I just have a good feeling about this week, we've been playing a lot better on both sides of the ball and have not given up a special teams touchdown yet. This year has just been crazy with the conference being flipped up down and around every week or 2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 19, 2010, 12:13:11 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Is delusional the only big word that is taught on the Ripon campus ?? Typically I'm more obsequious than that but I think it's a fair question given all the theories about me recently.  :D

Look at the remaining schedules, do the math and you will see that Beloit is not done yet. NASA is still calculating the probability and hasn't given me odds but Americas Team is still alive.


I think Beloit will win out (@ Monmouth, vs Larry, @ IC) but will that be enough to win conference?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 02:42:25 AM
You've got Americas Team schedule backwards KOTR. It's vs. Monmouth, @Lawrence and then the game of the century vs. Illinois College.

A certain poster has suggested that there will be a mud hole stomping on the Buccaneers Nov. 6th. Well, the chosen people are welcome to buy towels at the concession stand so that they may dry their tears after the beat down they just received.

I'll kick blu all around the stadium and then we will go have pizza and forget about it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 19, 2010, 08:30:15 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 02:42:25 AM
A certain poster has suggested that there will be a mud hole stomping on the Buccaneers Nov. 6th. Well, the chosen people are welcome to buy towels at the concession stand so that they may dry their tears after the beat down they just received.

I'll kick blu all around the stadium and then we will go have pizza and forget about it.
First of all, if you're going to use it, I think it should be "Chosen People".  Capitalized as a proper name.  But to that end, we prefer "Blueboy Nation".  Either is okay, though. 

There is no crying in football.  Oh, nevermind, upon further review of you posts immediately following the RC game, I guess there is.  At least a little bit...  I think it's time to scrap the entire Beloit athletic program.  A new direction is in order.  I know just the man for the job! ;) But nobody has solicited my expertise ;) on that subject, anyway.

Loser buys the pizza... 

Oh, Roop!  Just thought I'd let you know that the mighty Klein Freshman Broncos (6-0-1) are layin' 6 to their arch rival Klein Texans (5-1-1) this weekend. Take the Broncos and give the points.  I'm pretty confident they'll cover. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 19, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Is delusional the only big word that is taught on the Ripon campus ?? Typically I'm more obsequious than that but I think it's a fair question given all the theories about me recently.  :D

Look at the remaining schedules, do the math and you will see that Beloit is not done yet. NASA is still calculating the probability and hasn't given me odds but Americas Team is still alive.



You're really going to compare a Beloit education to a Ripon education?  That cracks me up....  Now Roop, I do have one question for you...  What is your relationship to Beloit?  Son/Daughter?  Alum? I am not sure if I have ever really known this answer..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 19, 2010, 10:56:50 AM
I was introduced to a past student of a high school in extreme southern Wisconsin. At that time he was very active in sports and went on to college. He did NOT attend a Midwest Conference school. When I told him where my son went to school, his comment was the Ivy League of D3. I think that says a lot about all the schools in the MWC.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 19, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 19, 2010, 10:56:50 AM
I was introduced to a past student of a high school in extreme southern Wisconsin. At that time he was very active in sports and went on to college. He did NOT attend a Midwest Conference school. When I told him where my son went to school, his comment was the Ivy League of D3. I think that says a lot about all the schools in the MWC.   :D

Was he drinking?  Did he go to a tech school and wasn't sure what was being spoken?  Just curious, I would have a few other schools that I would put in place of SNC and non of them are in Wisconsin or Ill...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2010, 11:52:27 AM
......Hear that sound?  It's a can of worms being opened.....   ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 19, 2010, 12:15:33 PM
Wow...don't check the boards for a while and things get ugly.

I agree...I think that the MWC is a great "school" conference.  I always talk about schools in the conference to other people and nobody says anything about sports, but they do say things about the education.

Also, I can't believe the talk about MC's chances of making the playoffs isn't even an option for some of you.  Play this one out...

Ripon loses to IC at IC.  That one's for you Blu.
Ripon beat St. Norbert.  3 losses for SN and 2 losses for RC
MC wins out.

Your top three are
MC 7-2
RC 7-2
SN 6-3

Monmouth wins the tie breaker in head to head vs RC.

Monmouth plays UWW or the Tommies again.

Either way, the prize for winning the conference is going to be a whoopin in the playoffs.  Doesn't matter who wins.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 19, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Now Roop, I do have one question for you...  What is your relationship to Beloit?  Son/Daughter?  Alum? I am not sure if I have ever really known this answer..

Just a fan. I've had that question a few times on the basketball board but never told the story here. It goes something like this.........................

I was 7 years old (1972) and had just gotten home from school on a Thursday afternoon. As I went in the house mom asked if I wanted to see a Beloit College football game that Saturday. My response. "You mean we can still get tickets........." At that age I didn't know the difference between Beloit and the University of Wisconsin, just that it was college football and I was excited.

Needless to say I got hooked and basketball games followed. Football wasn't exactly going anywhere then but the basketball team was on the rise and it became a priority.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 19, 2010, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 19, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Now Roop, I do have one question for you...  What is your relationship to Beloit?  Son/Daughter?  Alum? I am not sure if I have ever really known this answer..

Just a fan. I've had that question a few times on the basketball board but never told the story here. It goes something like this.........................

I was 7 years old (1972) and had just gotten home from school on a Thursday afternoon. As I went in the house mom asked if I wanted to see a Beloit College football game that Saturday. My response. "You mean we can still get tickets........." At that age I didn't know the difference between Beloit and the University of Wisconsin, just that it was college football and I was excited.

Needless to say I got hooked and basketball games followed. Football wasn't exactly going anywhere then but the basketball team was on the rise and it became a priority.



Very good.. Thanks..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on October 19, 2010, 03:15:13 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 19, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 18, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Is delusional the only big word that is taught on the Ripon campus ?? Typically I'm more obsequious than that but I think it's a fair question given all the theories about me recently.  :D

Look at the remaining schedules, do the math and you will see that Beloit is not done yet. NASA is still calculating the probability and hasn't given me odds but Americas Team is still alive.





You're really going to compare a Beloit education to a Ripon education?  That cracks me up....  Now Roop, I do have one question for you...  What is your relationship to Beloit?  Son/Daughter?  Alum? I am not sure if I have ever really known this answer..

I hope its cracking you up because you know your education will be inferior to most everyone in this conference.....

Good god, a Ripon grad talking about education....Thats almost as hilarious as a Lawrence grad talking about the superiority of their football team...... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 03:36:39 PM
I doubt one would get a bad education at Ripon but historically they have always had athletic success. Therefore they get picked on quite a bit. Whether that's fair or not is conjecture. blu likely doesn't know the whole story but the self proclaimed akedemic elitists of the MWC are Lawrence, Grinnell and Beloit; in no particular order.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 19, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
Hays...ifs weeze all gonna talk bout hows goods are educations is, don'ts ya'll thinks we shuld be using some right punctuations and all.

Gather around, collegues.  If we are going to be the "Ivy League" of D3, then we must write in such a way that would be proper of such a title bestowed upon us.

Or maybe we should omit the educational talk since this is a football board.

Either way, Blu, get IC to get the job done this weekend so Monmouth can move closer to its rightful spot upon the summit of the MWC.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 03:47:24 PM
What IC does has no bearing on Monmouth as UW Mt. Beloit State will take the Scots out of the race this Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 05:27:17 PM
The polls close in 33 minutes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 06:16:14 PM
With a 7-4-2-2 vote. blu can resume his duties as of 12:01AM on October 27th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 19, 2010, 06:50:14 PM
And I can start cheering for Beloit again. And for this weekend, Ripon.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 19, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 06:16:14 PM
With a 7-4-2-2 vote. blu can resume his duties as of 12:01AM on October 27th.
I'll be counting the minutes. Y'know, it's a mansize job supressing all this expertise.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 07:21:52 PM
Which explains your difficulty with it.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 19, 2010, 08:05:22 PM
All I can say is lets go Blu! I just cant see IC outscoring them but if it rains..... I also think St. Norbs will be too physical for Ripon when they play the following week. So I am resigned to the fact that maybe the best the Scots can do is tie for the title. That is if they win out, and thats a big if given the consistency of their play. But regardless, I say to Roop and the Beloit boys you better take your shot this year because Monmouth rules the MWC the next two to three years.  I'll go with MC 26 BC 18
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 08:38:18 PM
Given the fact that Beloit WILL win out. I'm an IC fan this week. I'll also be rooting for St. Norbert and Knox.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 19, 2010, 11:01:20 PM
I'll be rooting for Ripon this week
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 20, 2010, 08:18:37 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 19, 2010, 03:36:39 PM
blu likely doesn't know the whole story but the self proclaimed akedemic elitists of the MWC are Lawrence, Grinnell and Beloit; in no particular order.

I am currently serving out the remaining 7+ days of the self-imposed 10 day suspension, of my self-proclaimed expertise on all things. As such, I must refrain from correcting you on both points, quoted.  If I were not honoring the suspension, the first error that I would point out would have been you're failure to recognized the obvious.  That being; if in fact you were correct, of course I'd know that already.  It just kinda makes sense, right? The second correction, I would also have liked to have pointed out would have been the obvious the ommission of the fine Phi Beta Kappa liberal arts college in Jacksonville, Illinois (A.K.A. Blueboy Nation) from your list.  But my integrity will not allow me to respond directly to either point at this time.

As mentioned previously, suppressing this expertise, even for just 10 days, is a mansize task.  Suggestion that I may not be up to the task begs the question; "Why is there a third track in the sand when I walk?" ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 20, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 19, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
Either way, Blu, get IC to get the job done this weekend so Monmouth can move closer to its rightful spot upon the summit of the MWC.

Timing is everything.  And when it's not going your way, it sucks!  I'd like to help, but with this dang suspension hanging over my head, I am limited in my ability to share my considerable expertise with even the IC coaching staff.  Believe me, given their conisiderable interest in, and utilization of, said input/expertise, they're as disappointed you and I are...  There on their own this week. :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 20, 2010, 08:18:37 AM
The second correction, I would also have liked to have pointed out would have been the obvious the ommission of the fine Phi Beta Kappa liberal arts college in Jacksonville, Illinois (A.K.A. Blueboy Nation) from your list. 

I'm sure IC is a fine school but they aren't as uppity about it as some.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 20, 2010, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 20, 2010, 08:18:37 AM
The second correction, I would also have liked to have pointed out would have been the obvious the ommission of the fine Phi Beta Kappa liberal arts college in Jacksonville, Illinois (A.K.A. Blueboy Nation) from your list.  

I'm sure IC is a fine school but they aren't as uppity about it as some.

And for the next 7 days, they will continue not to be... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 12:07:21 PM
You're sounding like a self proclaimed expert right now and per your voluntary hiatus I don't think we can allow that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 20, 2010, 12:25:07 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 12:07:21 PM
You're sounding like a self proclaimed expert right now and per your voluntary hiatus I don't think we can allow that.

Point well taken, Sir.  It would appear that I stated something in manner which, albeit unintentional, could be interpreted as a statement of fact and/or relating expertise.  In the absence of any precident known to me, I humbly request that a self-imposed penalty for such an offense be 1 additional day.  All in favor?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 20, 2010, 12:30:27 PM
I move to suspend the sentence to time served. All this "If I were to comment" and " were I allowed..." has my head spinning.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 12:55:52 PM
As interim self proclaimed expert on everything I have considered the motion on the floor. After further review, blu may resume his responsibilities immediately. SNCOLDAD will not be charged with a time out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 20, 2010, 01:41:22 PM
Dang!  I was kinda hopin' for the suspension to be upheld.  The title really puts me under a lot of pressure to say smart stuff.  I was needing the week to come up with some intelligent thoughts to relate. 

Blueboy Nation Rules!                        Go Blueboys!  Beat Ripon!
See, under the pressure, that's all I got... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
You got voted back in with what amounted to a 13-2 count and were reinstated early. I suppose if you won the lottery that you would still complain.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 20, 2010, 10:25:03 PM
GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 11:52:36 PM
Go Green Knights until the last game of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 07:22:38 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 20, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
You got voted back in with what amounted to a 13-2 count and were reinstated early. I suppose if you won the lottery that you would still complain.  ;D

Can you imagine the tax hit on that?  Ajd then there's all those folks who have said the lottery ruined their life...  You really gotta wonder if it's all worth it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 09:02:52 AM
Inaugural DIII Football Weekly Fan Poll (http://www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com/)

Why should the coaches, SIDs and media members have all the fun.... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
Whoa!  There's a shocker!  :o  The poll initiated by the fans on the #1 team, and presented as a marketing tool for same.   A bit self-aggrandizing, I say. ;D

Further, I cannot accept the validity of any poll that clearly lacks the insight, and is absent of the research and expertise, illustrated by the obvious omission of the Blueboys.  If you buy these results, I bet you think the MLB & NBA All-Star balloting does the best job of putting the best players on the roster...  I mean, I can see leaving Ripon and MC out.  America's team, and SNC, I get it.  But Blueboy Nation???  I'm jus' sayin'...  I think it just bastardizes the whole thing.  t's just jacked-up! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
Whoa!  There's a shocker!  :o  The poll initiated by the fans on the #1 team, and presented as a marketing tool for same.   A bit self-aggrandizing, I say. ;D

Further, I cannot accept the validity of any poll that clearly lacks the insight, and is absent of the research and expertise, illustrated by the obvious omission of the Blueboys.  If you buy these results, I bet you think the MLB & NBA All-Star balloting does the best job of putting the best players on the roster...  I mean, I can see leaving Ripon and MC out.  America's team, and SNC, I get it.  But Blueboy Nation???  I'm jus' sayin'...  I think it just bastardizes the whole thing.  t's just jacked-up! 

Only a matter of time before someone said something like that...actually the posters who participated the poll are from various different conferences around the nation. We just used a UWW fan's platform to post the results.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 10:12:53 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
Whoa!  There's a shocker!  :o  The poll initiated by the fans on the #1 team, and presented as a marketing tool for same.   A bit self-aggrandizing, I say. ;D

Further, I cannot accept the validity of any poll that clearly lacks the insight, and is absent of the research and expertise, illustrated by the obvious omission of the Blueboys.  If you buy these results, I bet you think the MLB & NBA All-Star balloting does the best job of putting the best players on the roster...  I mean, I can see leaving Ripon and MC out.  America's team, and SNC, I get it.  But Blueboy Nation???  I'm jus' sayin'...  I think it just bastardizes the whole thing.  t's just jacked-up! 

Only a matter of time before someone said something like that...actually the posters who participated the poll are from various different conferences around the nation. We just used a UWW fan's platform to post the results.

C'mon Man!  Perhaps we need a "tongue in cheek" emoticon...  That said, I do think the poll results could have been presented in a less self-serving manner.  But it's your poll.  Hey!  Come to think of it, the results of the recent poll on me didn't get the kind of promotion.  Roop, I think I have a beef, here! (insert "tongue in cheek" emoticon).

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 10:28:12 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 10:12:53 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
Whoa!  There's a shocker!  :o  The poll initiated by the fans on the #1 team, and presented as a marketing tool for same.   A bit self-aggrandizing, I say. ;D

Further, I cannot accept the validity of any poll that clearly lacks the insight, and is absent of the research and expertise, illustrated by the obvious omission of the Blueboys.  If you buy these results, I bet you think the MLB & NBA All-Star balloting does the best job of putting the best players on the roster...  I mean, I can see leaving Ripon and MC out.  America's team, and SNC, I get it.  But Blueboy Nation???  I'm jus' sayin'...  I think it just bastardizes the whole thing.  t's just jacked-up! 

Only a matter of time before someone said something like that...actually the posters who participated the poll are from various different conferences around the nation. We just used a UWW fan's platform to post the results.

C'mon Man!  Perhaps we need a "tongue in cheek" emoticon...  That said, I do think the poll results could have been presented in a less self-serving manner.  But it's your poll.  Hey!  Come to think of it, the results of the recent poll on me didn't get the kind of promotion.  Roop, I think I have a beef, here! (insert "tongue in cheek" emoticon).



No worries, I feel you...If you prefer the results are also posted here in General Football (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.0). A little more neutral flatform...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 21, 2010, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
Whoa!  There's a shocker!  :o  The poll initiated by the fans on the #1 team, and presented as a marketing tool for same.   A bit self-aggrandizing, I say. ;D

Further, I cannot accept the validity of any poll that clearly lacks the insight, and is absent of the research and expertise, illustrated by the obvious omission of the Blueboys.  If you buy these results, I bet you think the MLB & NBA All-Star balloting does the best job of putting the best players on the roster...  I mean, I can see leaving Ripon and MC out.  America's team, and SNC, I get it.  But Blueboy Nation???  I'm jus' sayin'...  I think it just bastardizes the whole thing.  t's just jacked-up! 

Only a matter of time before someone said something like that...actually the posters who participated the poll are from various different conferences around the nation. We just used a UWW fan's platform to post the results.

Call me crazy, but doesn't it make eminently more sense for a D3Boards fan poll to be posted on the D3Boards?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 21, 2010, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2010, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
Whoa!  There's a shocker!  :o  The poll initiated by the fans on the #1 team, and presented as a marketing tool for same.   A bit self-aggrandizing, I say. ;D

Further, I cannot accept the validity of any poll that clearly lacks the insight, and is absent of the research and expertise, illustrated by the obvious omission of the Blueboys.  If you buy these results, I bet you think the MLB & NBA All-Star balloting does the best job of putting the best players on the roster...  I mean, I can see leaving Ripon and MC out.  America's team, and SNC, I get it.  But Blueboy Nation???  I'm jus' sayin'...  I think it just bastardizes the whole thing.  t's just jacked-up! 

Only a matter of time before someone said something like that...actually the posters who participated the poll are from various different conferences around the nation. We just used a UWW fan's platform to post the results.

Call me crazy, but doesn't it make eminently more sense for a D3Boards fan poll to be posted on the D3Boards?

here you go (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.0)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 11:28:52 AM
So there you go.  Another positive change at the direction of the posters of the MWC.  Our work is never complete... ::)  I must go now.  There is much to be done in making the world a better place...  Which, coincidentally, is performed with every new addition to Blueboy Nation! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
Forgive him folks. He means well but is the new guy after all.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 21, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
Please enough of this irrelevant banter! Now lets get to the importance stuff-Saturday's games! Roop what type of tailgaiting facilities is there for the visiting team and its approximate location. And PLEASE this is a serious question don't tell me something like it 4 blocks from campus behind a car dealership across the street from a grave yard.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 21, 2010, 02:12:09 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 21, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
Please enough of this irrelevant banter! Now lets get to the importance stuff-Saturday's games! Roop what type of tailgaiting facilities is there for the visiting team and its approximate location. And PLEASE this is a serious question don't tell me something like it 4 blocks from campus behind a car dealership across the street from a grave yard.

Ha...its funny because thats where it is at Monmouth.  What a bunch of crap...too.  Who has the best tailgating setup?

I rank Knox right up there.  Even though they don't have the best of teams.  Their tailgaiting area right next to the field is nice.  Monmouth used to be there.  It was always cool to look over from the stands and see the tents lined up.  Pretty weak that they had to move it.

Any other real good tailgating areas in the conference?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2010, 02:14:09 PM
You will love the tailgating facilities for the visitors at Beloit. Just one little problem. FINDING THE LOT!!!  Believe me it is tough.

Go to Google Maps and find the stadium. It is not on campus. Go to satellite view and zoom in real close to the north end of the field. At the west side of the lot the is a small residential street. get the name of it because that is where you enter. No other way.

As you turn on that street you will think this is crazy as you go down the hill in front of houses. Once you get there the visitors have their own tailgating lot on the northeast corner of the stadium. 1 port a potty. :( But home stands not that far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
You have to rank home and away facilities for tailgating. Knox home is nice. I personally liked SNC tailgating at the OLD Minnehan stadium. Grass and close. No restrictions. Knox is not bad but the visitors are not allowed this year in the grass area east of the stadium. Monmouth this year. NO COMMENT!!!!!

SNC this year. Very close. Parking lot at stadium but they seem to be wanting to take the fun out it with all sorts of piss a$$ nonsense rules. But very handy.

Grinnell OK except hike to stadium. Same with Lake Forest. Lawrence is OK again if you can find it.

I guess I would say it is a toss up between Beloit and SNC with Beloit getting my vote if it is rainy at all, but SNC in good weather.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
It's called Rooptownshireville.  If you actually killed what you plan to grill, admission is free!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 21, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
Please enough of this irrelevant banter! Now lets get to the importance stuff-Saturday's games! Roop what type of tailgaiting facilities is there for the visiting team and its approximate location. And PLEASE this is a serious question don't tell me something like it 4 blocks from campus behind a car dealership across the street from a grave yard.

LMAO. It actually is about 4 blocks from campus and you will pass a cemetery. No car dealerships however. Chapin St. dead ends at Strong Stadium and, as SNCOLDAD spoke to, it is a one lane entrance/exit. Tailgating festivities are welcome but they do police what you take in to the stands. Hint, hint. Put it in a cup and I doubt you'll be questioned.

The second option is the intersection of East Broad and Booker. Mapquest it. There is a walk in gate at the south end of the stadium by the tennis courts. The visitors bus often parks at the end of East Broad and the area is less patrolled than stadium parking. If you don't trespass on private property you shouldn't have any tailgating issues there. Grills in the street aren't that uncommon.

FYI scottie. Admission is always free so that everyone can see Americas Team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
Forgive him folks. He means well but is the new guy after all.  :D

Pardon my irrelivant banter....

You are correct that my tenure is not the equal of yours.  However, umbrage has been taken with your failure to acknowledge the well documented expertise on all topics... ;D

Next subject, please!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 21, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
It's called Rooptownshireville.

Are you sure that's not in Iowa?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 03:47:54 PM
Allow me to lend my consderable expertise in this area... ;)

Kidding aside, anyone who's been to IC should acknowledge that, from the descriptions provided of other schools, we might lead the pack in this.  Blueboy Nation celebrates tailgating from several lots.  All immediately adjacent to the stadium.  RV's are welcome.  As are libations when served in the appropriate containers.  Last weekend, we had several overnighters (RV's) in a couple of the parking lots.  I remember asking about this earlier while not knowing what provisions IC had to offer.  I must say, tailgating is convenient, abundant, and well supported by the school. 



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
Well pardon the rest of the conference for not having domed stadiums and valet parking as in Jacksonville apparently. :D

All I was trying to say was that tailgating space at Strong is adequate but finding it can be an issue. Newcomers  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 04:10:03 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
Well pardon the rest of the conference for not having domed stadiums and valet parking as in Jacksonville apparently. :D

All I was trying to say was that tailgating space at Strong is adequate but finding it can be an issue. Newcomers  ::)

Sir, It is I who should request a pardon.  I have apparently, and unintentionally, aggitated you... ;D  Oh, and for the record, we don't have valet parking. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 04:28:50 PM
Hold on now, I thought valet parking was a requirement for membership in the MWC. Domed stadiums optional.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 04:54:04 PM
Yeah!  Me too.  That's what they tell you in the brochures and on the recruiting visits.  But then you get there and it's like "You want me to park what?"  It's kinda like when I got married.  But I digress...

As for the dome, I think somethin's up there too.  It's taken an awefully long time to complete that construction.  I'm just not seein' the progress.  And they tell me each weekend that I'm there, that they move the construction equipment off campus for; you guessed it; tailgating.  I sense I'm being played.  Your thoughts???

Don't even get me started on the hi-def Jumbotron...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 05:02:57 PM
Courtesy is nice prior to visiting the hallowed ground but whatcha gonna do when Roopamania and Americas team runs wild on you ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 05:02:57 PM
Courtesy is nice prior to visiting the hallowed ground but whatcha gonna do when Roopamania and Americas team runs wild on you ??

Me? Nothing.  The Blueboys? Score at least one more point than America's Team, duh!  Man, sometimes you make this too easy.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
Forgive him folks. He means well but is the new guy after all.  :D

Pardon my irrelivant banter....

You are correct that my tenure is not the equal of yours.  However, umbrage has been taken with your failure to acknowledge the well documented expertise on all topics... ;D

Next subject, please!

Like predicting all seven of the Blueboys' four victories! ;D

(Just pullin' your chain, blu - I tend to predict more wins for IWU than they end up winning: it is the job of a fan! ;))
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 05:02:57 PM
Courtesy is nice prior to visiting the hallowed ground but whatcha gonna do when Roopamania and Americas team runs wild on you ??

Me? Nothing.  The Blueboys? Score at least one more point than America's Team, duh!  Man, sometimes you make this too easy.  

I'm sure the BlueBoys want to do that but Rooptownshireville College isn't likely to score -1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2010, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
You have to rank home and away facilities for tailgating. Knox home is nice. I personally liked SNC tailgating at the OLD Minnehan stadium. Grass and close. No restrictions. Knox is not bad but the visitors are not allowed this year in the grass area east of the stadium. Monmouth this year. NO COMMENT!!!!!

SNC this year. Very close. Parking lot at stadium but they seem to be wanting to take the fun out it with all sorts of piss a$$ nonsense rules. But very handy.

Grinnell OK except hike to stadium. Same with Lake Forest. Lawrence is OK again if you can find it.

I guess I would say it is a toss up between Beloit and SNC with Beloit getting my vote if it is rainy at all, but SNC in good weather.
When you come to Ripon next weekend, the black-top lot towards the top of the field in the picture is a prime location for pre-game activities.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripon.edu%2Fathletics%2Ffootball%2Fimages%2FDSC_0119.jpg&hash=d966b63cfea1c08e973f9a38abc0a70cb17b3850)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 09:24:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 21, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
Forgive him folks. He means well but is the new guy after all.  :D

Pardon my irrelivant banter....

You are correct that my tenure is not the equal of yours.  However, umbrage has been taken with your failure to acknowledge the well documented expertise on all topics... ;D

Next subject, please!

Like predicting all seven of the Blueboys' four victories! ;D

(Just pullin' your chain, blu - I tend to predict more wins for IWU than they end up winning: it is the job of a fan! ;))

I don't know what youre talking about.  We haven't lost a single game.  We just ran out of time before our rally kicked in... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2010, 10:06:13 PM
Thanks 09. Is that designated for visitors or all tailgaters?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 10:33:23 PM
What's the point. Ripon just got their last win of the season so who's going to a game there now??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2010, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 21, 2010, 10:06:13 PM
Thanks 09. Is that designated for visitors or all tailgaters?

Designated for all tailgaters home and away.  On the south side of the lot is the "Red Zone". Havent been there this year so I dont know how strong the following is, but considering its a huge game I would expect a turnout.  Down the road a little more at the middle school there is tailgate room, but usually just parked cars.  That is the only game I can make tailgating this year so if there is some "Blu" cooking going on I will let you in on the location, and vice versa I hope.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
I could be wrong but isn't Ripon @IC this week ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 21, 2010, 11:35:52 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
I could be wrong but isn't Ripon @IC this week ??

On the topic of home tailgating locations.  Last chance for some "home cookin" next week so Im getting excited
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 22, 2010, 07:53:26 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
I could be wrong but isn't Ripon @IC this week ??

You are correct, Sir!  Ripon is our victim this weekend. ;D  The good news: My kid's the scout team QB.  He's been able to work on his running skills.  The IC coaches asked him to slow down to give a more realistic look...  ;)  So I get a call from my kid and he says, "Dad, have you ever heard of this Triple-option thing???  Did teams run that when you were a kid?  I took off my facemask to get the full retro effect."  ;D

Redmen, you making the trip this weekend?  I didn't think so, but I'm not sure by your post. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 22, 2010, 09:48:10 AM
Blu, Im not making the trip to IC this week, I forgot to book my plane ticket ahead of time.  Maybe your son is a true option quarterback and he just never knew it?  Its never to late to join the Real Americas Team   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 22, 2010, 10:07:29 AM
While he CAN run, let's just say he's not gonna make anyone forget Vince Young...  Americas Team, eh?  Them might be fightin' words...  Where have I heard that before? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 22, 2010, 11:39:03 AM
Thanks for the info guys on where to tailgate. Sounds like it will be fun. As a big of fan as I am of the Scots I have to admit their tailgating area is a bunch of crap. For the few years I have been going to games I never witnessed any problems with the people tailgating at MC.   Let me ask any of you guys that have visited there.... have you? I almost feel sorry for parents or fans of the other team when they come to Monmouth because that setup makes hard to feed the players after the game. Despite my affection or should I say near addiction for malt, barley, and fermented hops, I would delay the inevitable  for a few hours if thats the issue. Then again I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure there are other events at the college that have alcohol. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 22, 2010, 12:20:06 PM
Big games tomorrow.  I have figured out how to hook my computer to flat screen so I will be watching the IC vs RC game in style tomorrow.  This weekend will put a lot of the standing in perspective.  Safe travels to all!!  Blu, we'll have 3 more games were we might be able to meet up, you'll either have to make the trip to Ripon, or I'll have to make a trip to IC.. 

http://www.midwestconference.org/poll.aspx?poll=2

Monmouth at Beloit - I have to go with Beloit! BC by 3
Carroll at Knox  - Carroll by 21
Grinnell at St. Norbert - I have to go with Grinnell! GC by 3
Lawrence at Lake Forest - The really pains me to choose this team, but LU by 10
Ripon at Illinois College - RC by 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 22, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
Gonna be a little out of pocket for the balance of the day, so here goes:

Monmouth at Beloit - Beloit!  24-17 There's no happiness to be found in Rooptonvilleburg
Carroll at Knox  - Carroll takes over in 2nd Qtr.  runs away 35-14
Grinnell at St. Norbert - SNC at home.  28-21
Lawrence at Lake Forest - When a tree falls in the forest....  LF 2-0
Ripon at Illinois College - IC shocks the world, but should it be a shock?  31-28

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 22, 2010, 01:44:31 PM
Carroll at Knox (Homecoming!!!!)-------------------Knox 21-14
Grinnell at St. Norbert------------------------------SNC 49-14
Lawrence at Lake Forest--------------------------LFC 38-35
Ripon at Illinois College-----UPSET SPECIAL!!!------IC 27-24

Game of the Week
Monmouth at Beloit------------------------------MonmNOPE! Beloit 28-27
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 22, 2010, 09:24:08 PM
With a win Ripon would eliminate 4 of the remaining mathematically alive teams but may still control it's own destiny with a loss. I'm only considering a two team tie breaking scenario but the big 3 could wind up knotted at seasons end.

Grinnell @St. Norbert is an elimination game as is Monmouth @Beloit. Carroll and Illinois College have to win to stay in the hunt.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2010, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 22, 2010, 09:24:08 PM
With a win Ripon would eliminate 4 of the remaining mathematically alive teams but may still control it's own destiny with a loss. I'm only considering a two team tie breaking scenario but the big 3 could wind up knotted at seasons end.

Grinnell @St. Norbert is an elimination game as is Monmouth @Beloit. Carroll and Illinois College have to win to stay in the hunt.

In a week of mostly ridiculous banter, this is a +K post!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2010, 07:53:04 AM
scottie, where have you been.?  There are 2 key games. The biggest IMO is the Ripon - IC game. This has to be the GOW. Everyone knows, or can figure out who I am cheering for. As Roop said, this has the potential biggest impact.

2nd game is the one I will be at. It looks to be a rain filled day in De Pere. Figure since it is homecoming. It also is stated as a SRO game. That would be interesting in the rain too. God help the person that puts an umbrella up in front of me.

What is important to note here, is at the moment I believe IC controls their own destiny. Ripon also. Not sure but I believe they are the only 2 teams that can say that.

However, if Ripon wins, SNC is now back to controlling their own destiny. Of course every team in the hunt has to win out. Right now no team has the option of losing and still maintain control.

So that is my rant for now. I do need someone to text me scores of the Rip - IC game as it is occurring. If interested please let me know. I will send my cell number.

One more thing. blu, you are once again the topic of conversation up here. I am sitting across the room from our punter's dad and he is laughing at some of your posts. We want to party with you!!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2010, 07:53:04 AM
We want to party with you!!

And that day will come.  However, I'm affraid you'd find the actual event to be not the equal of the anticipation. ;D

I will be at IC today.  I've been keeping it a secret from my son cuz I wanted to surprise him.  He has a JV game tomorrow at IWU.  I will post the score ongoing.  I will stick to just the scores as to avoid, as best I can, any hint of irrelevance, or banter. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2010, 07:53:04 AM
We want to party with you!!

And that day will come.  However, I'm affraid you'd find the actual event to be not the equal of the anticipation. ;D

I will be at IC today.  I've been keeping it a secret from my son cuz I wanted to surprise him.  He has a JV game tomorrow at IWU.  I will post the score ongoing.  I will stick to just the scores as to avoid, as best I can, any hint of irrelevance, or banter. ;)

Thank you for finally admitting you are coming...  It was killing me to make sure when I was bantering with you to make it sound like you'll be at home, knowing that you were actually attending.  Blu, I'll be watching on the flat scree today........... All I have to say is safe travels and hope your son has a good JV game, but as for the Varsity game, GO RIPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 11:42:37 AM
Thanks for keeping it on the DL. Just arrived on IC campus. Let's just say it IS NOT the Chamber of Commerce weekend last weekend was. Just goes to show that God really is a Blueboy fan. He brought the rain to slow down the Ripon running game. Just checked out the field. It appears that IC has grown out the turf too. 

I gotta buy a friggin' jacket.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 01:04:52 PM
I spent some time looking at scenarios this morning and discovered that Carroll could win it outright and not need any breakers. They need help, obviously, but have the easiest remaining schedule in my opinion.

St. Norbert @Ripon next week may prove to be even more telling than the results of todays games. My advice for the Red Hawks is to win out and then they won't have to worry about anything. Their chances would only be fair in a two way tie but if there are more than that it goes south for them in a hurry.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 23, 2010, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 01:04:52 PM
I spent some time looking at scenarios this morning and discovered that Carroll could win it outright and not need any breakers. They need help, obviously, but have the easiest remaining schedule in my opinion.

St. Norbert @Ripon next week may prove to be even more telling than the results of todays games. My advice for the Red Hawks is to win out and then they won't have to worry about anything. Their chances would only be fair in a two way tie but if there are more than that it goes south for them in a hurry.
Thats what I was thinking. 

Is it 1:00 yet?!?!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 02:10:10 PM
any one else having issues getting SNC game on video?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 02:12:22 PM
anyone else having IC RC issues?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 02:14:14 PM
SNC forces Grinnell to punt on first possession, drives for TD. 7-0 SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 02:15:06 PM
Beloits feed is having issues as well. 7-0 Bucs via a 90 yard KO return but they also dropped a pick 6 or it could be more. 2 3 and outs for Monmouth thus far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
blu - keep me posted, cant get the d*mn game to work...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
IC cant stand it's own goof fotune. Opening drive for Ripon leads to 7-0 RC lead. Three and out for IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 23, 2010, 02:23:10 PM
I cant get the IC-RC feed to work either.  Quite annoying.  As many posts as you can handle Blu would be much appreciated.  Last year IC's online broadcast of Ripon-IC was cancelled due to technical errors, looks like the same type of thing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 02:24:15 PM
Now this is posted on the menu page:

St. Norbert College - Internet Connection Problems at Venue - May Not Have Video Unitl 2nd Half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
John Weninger 1 yd TD run.

14-0 SNC, less than minute left in 1st quarter

SNC outgaining GC 120-26 overall, Pios with no passing yards.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
Update?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 02:37:14 PM
Blu go talk to the AD and let him know that the feed isn't working.....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 02:41:12 PM
IC defender goes completely bone-head and hits Ripon QB out of bounds on 3rd down stop deep in RC territory. Leads to RC TD. Blocked XP. 13-0 RC. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 02:42:31 PM
SNC intercepts GC at its own 28. Dan Sjoquist scores a few plays later. Now 21-0 SNC.

And with the pick, Grinnell's QB McCabe has completed more passes to SNC (1) than to his teammates (0).

And it keeps getting worse... GC finally completes a pass, and the receiver fumbles it away. SNC has the ball on the Pios 34.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Monmouth scores but kicker slipped on PAT. 14-6 Beloit. Bucs now in Monmouth territiory.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 23, 2010, 02:48:12 PM
The Roop:  Thanks for the updates.  I'm away from the computer today.  Keep them coming....even after the Scots put it out of reach.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
17-6 Bucs about midway through the 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 02:50:56 PM
SNC up 24-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 02:58:57 PM
Lake Forest leads Lawrence 21-0, 2nd quarter

LFC has 164 rushing yards, 223 overall. LU just 43 yards of offense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
IC scores on nice drive. 13-7 RC 6 min in 2nd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 03:03:33 PM
SNC & GC exchange turnovers. SNC converts INT into TD a few plays later. Exp pass misses. 30-0 SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
Wow! Talk about bone-head! RC tries a fake punt on 4th and 20 in their territory with 3 min in half. IC takes the ball down for a quick score and 14-13 lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
Wow! Talk about bone-head! RC tries a fake punt on 4th and 20 in their territory with 3 min in half. IC takes the ball down for a quick score and 14-13 lead.

You are right, it's a bone head move..... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 03:11:27 PM
20-6 Beloit 1:14 left in 1st half. Monmouth answers quickly 20-13 at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 03:12:15 PM
SNC blocks a punt, recovers at Pioneers 10. Scores 2 plays later. SNC leads 37-0, 3:54 until halftime.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 03:13:20 PM
LFC up 21-0 at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
In one of those other divisions, Iowa St. leads in Austin 28-14 with time becoming a factor for the Horns.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
Grinnell put together a 73-yard drive - including passes of 26 and 17 yards and fiinishes with a score. 37-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 03:22:36 PM
Ripon scores with no time on the clock on a fake 48 yard FG. EVERONE in the stands saw the fake coming. RC gets 2 pt. 21-14 RC at the half. To add insult to injury, we blocked the first attempt, but had called TO to freeze the kicker. Somedays you're the bug. Somedays you're the windshield.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 03:22:36 PM
Ripon scores with no time on the clock on a fake 48 yard FG. EVERONE in the stands saw the fake coming. RC gets 2 pt. 21-14 RC at the half. To add insult to injury, we blocked the first attempt, but had called TO to freeze the kicker. Somedays you're the bug. Somedays you're the windshield.

Thanks for the updates, now see what you can do about someone getting this fixed so we can watch it here at home.. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 03:28:44 PM
SNC leads 37-7 at the half.

5 combined turnovers (SNC 2, GC 3).

SNC outgaining GC 278-120.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 03:43:34 PM
Vikings get back in it with a TD

21-7 Foresters lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 03:49:38 PM
34-13 Bucs. After converting a 3rd and 21 Beloit used some trickeration few plays later to increase their lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
SNC uses big kickoff return to start the half to set up 3 play, 43-yard touchdown drive.

44-7 Green Knights!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
Lawrence intercepts LFC at 28yrd line, converts for TD.

LFC leads 21-14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 23, 2010, 04:02:24 PM
Carroll leads Knox after 3 quarters 28-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:03:20 PM
Pioneers go 3-and-out. SNC puts together 54-yard TD drive.

Now 51-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 04:07:04 PM
So Blu you going to come through?  We going to get some video for the second half???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
With all due respect to the Red Hawks, IC is giving this one to them. We took 3 off the board only to throw a pick on the next play. Then we throw what looked to the world like a TD only to have it ruled out on the 1" line. Can't punch it in. RC rolls  downfield for a score. 28-14 RC nearing the end of 3.  Oh but wait. We just scored. 28-21 RC.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 04:12:29 PM
How about that Option?  And I doubt IC is giving this away...  It sounds like its a well played game.  Thanks for keep us updated!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
Grinnell has nice long drive but fumbles at goal line and SNC recovers. 4th turnover for the Pios.

SNC converts TO to TD with 72-yard pass. Now 58-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 23, 2010, 04:16:49 PM
Carroll takes the lead 35-0 with 6:52. The Knox announcers think that might be the dagger.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:18:14 PM
Lawrence has turned the ball over twice in the red zone this half. Must be frustrating.

Still 21-14 LFC with about 9:00 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:22:47 PM
Grinnell TD. 58-14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:23:57 PM
Lake Forest gets 59-yard TD pass. 28-14 LFC with 6:42 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 04:26:09 PM
Great play by RC for about a 60 yd TD. IC runs back the ko. 35-28 RC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 04:27:06 PM
34-27 Beloit 2:27 to go
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 04:28:35 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 04:26:09 PM
Great play by RC for about a 60 yd TD. IC runs back the ko. 35-28 RC.

what do we have for time???  how much is left??!!?!?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 04:34:41 PM
98 yd TD pass for IC. Blocked XP. 35-34 RC. 7 min left. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:37:21 PM
LFC interception for TD. And there is your dagger.

35-14 with 1:22 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 23, 2010, 04:37:53 PM
If there was ever a time I wanted the broadcast to work.....

Hard to watch the game via message board, but thanks for updates Blu!  

GO HAWKS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 23, 2010, 04:38:11 PM
Carroll-Knox have went final. Carroll wins 35-0. They move to 5-2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 04:42:38 PM
34-27 is the final in Beloit. Monmouth dropped a hail mary in the end zone as time expired but were called for holding so it wouldn't have mattered.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 23, 2010, 04:47:01 PM
58-14 four minuts to go. Strong SNC showing
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:48:23 PM
Final
Lawrence 14
Lake Forest 35
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
3:17 left. IC leads 40-35. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 04:53:22 PM
Final
Grinnell 14
St. Norbert 58

SNC rolls up about 500 yards of offense and forces 5 turnovers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 05:09:30 PM
It's a BLUE day in Ripon, WI. What a day! What a game by both teams, but a better game by the Blueboys!!!  It was a thriller! 40-35 IC WINS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 05:11:05 PM
Might the 5 way tie that actually puts Beloit in the playoffs starting to take shape ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 05:11:46 PM
WOW...  Blu you need to give me some play by plays...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 05:18:29 PM
Is this right?

Ripon 5-2
St. Norbert 5-2
Illinois College 5-2
Carroll 5-2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 07:12:06 PM
Carroll @Monmouth. Must win for both
Illinois College @Grinnell. Must win for both
Beloit @Lawrence. Must win for Beloit
Knox @Lake Forest. N/A for both but could have tie breaking implications for the conference leaders

GOTW

St. Norbert @Ripon. Must win for both as each has a gimme the following week. Barring the winner being  upset in week 10 this could be for title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2010, 05:11:46 PM
WOW...  Blu you need to give me some play by plays...

Let me tell ya.  This was one of the best games I have ever attended.  It was so exciting that as I tried to make my last post (on my phone), my hands were shaking.  Both teams have a lot to be proud of.  IC just came out on top.

There's got to be one RC player who's in the coaches dog house pretty bad.  RC had two possessions after IC scored its 40th point to go up by 5.  The first one was severely set back by an RC player kicking an IC player in the stones after the play was blown dead.  Not kidding.  The loss of down and -15 yds was a real drive killer.  The game ended on an interception with about 15 seconds left.  RC was driving deep in IC territory prior to the pick. 

Once again I thought the referees were weak.  (I don't just default to that.)  I think both teams had some beefs, but RC fans can't claim home cooking.  As I said in an earlier post, IC seemed to be doing all the things a team does to give it away.  A penalty following a 3rd down stop that extended an early drive and lead to a score (+7 RC).  Not spying the fake 48 yd FG with no time on the clock at half(+8 RC).  Took a FG off the board, in accepting a penalty on the kick.  Then throwing a pick to come away with nothing (-3 IC).  Then, first and inches on what was clearly a blown call by the ref.  It was a TD.  It turns into a RC TD when we can't punch in from inside the 1 on 4 downs (+7).  Ordinarily, these things kill you.  But the IC coaches rallied the team on each occasion and kept us in the game.  The IC coaches called a great offensive game.  The kids showed real heart.  For that matter, with the exception of the aforementioned personal foul, both teams did. 

Ripon fans were great. I talked to one of the (#17's dad) before the game.  Unfortunately after the game, there were a few RC who were less than gracious.  They complained that this air horn one of our fans was blowing (outside the field area) was illegal, and they were gonna take the issue to the conference.  Really?  I mean c'mon!  That was pretty weak.  But all in all the fans on both sides helped make it a great event.  Particularly with my Horns' spittin' the bit, I'm becoming more and more a MWC fan each day.  Wow!  What a day!

One last thing...  Who's that tied for first in the MWC???  Is that the Blueboys?  Nah, now I'm just talking crazy! :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 23, 2010, 08:07:51 PM
Hey Scottie- I haven't seen you much on the board.  Where are you?  I hope it's not the irrelevance of my posts that's keeping you and Moncol away...  Oh crud!  That'll cost me a couple K's... ;D

Roop- I guess it was a beautiful day in Rooptonfieldvilletonburgland...  Congrats to America's Team!  Same to you SNCOLDAD.  I know things are kinda winding down, but it looks like you're going out in style. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 23, 2010, 08:46:48 PM
Scottie has been wrapped up in U of Illinois homecoming activities since Thursday, and catching up about every 3 board pages or so.  Haven't seen the box score for the (real) Good Guys yet, but congrats to (the real) America's Team.  My hunch is that it would be a good idea to savor some of these wins now, because IF Tanney redshirts - and even if he doesn't.......  In the meantime, this Scots fan is concerned that the Turkey bowl might be for a +.500 season.  Hopefully, they will give The U all they can handle next week and finish the home schedule with a W.   :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 10:19:47 PM
Here you go scottie

http://www.beloit.edu/bucs/sports/statistics/football/mc10.htm

Stats are pretty much a wash but Monmouths consecutive 3 and outs to start each half was what got them behind.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 23, 2010, 10:42:14 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 10:19:47 PM
Here you go scottie

http://www.beloit.edu/bucs/sports/statistics/football/mc10.htm

Stats are pretty much a wash but Monmouths consecutive 3 and outs to start each half was what got them behind.

Appears that way....shucks!  Still, a very young Scots team at the moment...too little too late.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 23, 2010, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 23, 2010, 07:12:06 PM

GOTW

St. Norbert @Ripon. Must win for both as each has a gimme the following week. Barring the winner being  upset in week 10 this could be for title.

I agree it's game of the week - I disagree on the analysis - or want to add to it. And I could be off, here...

If SNC wins its last two, Green Knights finish 7-2. If SNC is tied with IC, IC would win the tiebreak because of head-to-head. I'm not sure how it goes if there's a third 7-2 team.

I think SNC needs some help by getting another IC loss. Correct?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2010, 12:26:58 AM
If all 3 finish 7-2 that would make them 1-1 against each other. If I understand the tie breakers correctly those games get thrown out and then they would compare their records against the 4th place team. That in all likelihood will be the Ripon/SNC loser so Carroll would be eliminated. That narrows it down to two then they would use head to head between IC and the Ripon/SNC winner. Which IC would win. So yes, SNC or Ripon needs to win out and IC to lose a game.

Nobody controls their own destiny right now, not even the 5-2s. So it's looking like all 10 games matter this year. Every body needs help, just some more than others.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 24, 2010, 09:34:57 AM
Man, who knows how all these scenarios will turn out.  It's my first season in the MWC, but I couldn't have imagined it would have been this fun.  My involvement on this board has been a HUGE part of this.  It really created a reason to care. 

The Blueboys are on the road for the rest of the year.  Don't know if they'll win any, one, or both.  I do know that they'll go into each game believing that they can.  I also know this season has been better than I had anticipated. 

Scottie, not wishing to "slap the bull", but I can tell you there'll be no fear of MC next year with Tanney, or without.  Respect, heck ya.  But fear, no.  I've said since I got on this board that next year will be better.  And the one after that, even better still.  Admittedly, I only know that from watching the players move furniture, and eating pizza with them, but I do believe it. 

Coach Campbell is a gifted recruiter with outstanding facilities and improved support from the administration.  They are recruiting better athletes from a wider area.  And they're landing them.  The staff is energetic and progressive.  And this year, they're getting players to believe and buy-in.  The real measure of coaching, to me, is in a coach's ability to rally the troops.  We were down by 13 early and 14 late.  The player's belief that they could prevail wasn't generated by the kick-off return, or the 98 yard pass.  It came the coaching staff's efforts, at camp and through the season, to develop and build on the already great character of the players.  I was so impressed yesterday.

I've said since my arrival; there's something special going on in J-Ville.  And what's happening is that they no longer believe they have to be just fodder for the conference powers.  It's gonna be fun to see how this all shakes out, but at the same time, it's been a lot of fun getting involved with this board.  Good luck to all.  Best of luck to the Blueboys!



FEAR THE BLUE, AS THEY NO LONGER FEAR YOU!    BLUEBOY NATION IS HERE!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 24, 2010, 11:24:32 AM
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Dr Strickland has recently appearred on both ESPN's Outside the Lines and the NFL Network to discuss concussions and the work SCI has done in the diagnosis and treatment of the same.

Dr. Strickland has requested we encourage fans, players and otherwise interested parties to please dial into the show to ask their questions.  That said we would like to solicit you to call in and drive the dialogue with Dr. Strickland given the prominence of this topic in the national headlines.   Our switchboard line is 646-200-0576.

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Thanks in advance your assistance in making this special opportunity to get a refreshing and informed perspective on this nationally relevant topic!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on October 24, 2010, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 24, 2010, 12:26:58 AM
If all 3 finish 7-2 that would make them 1-1 against each other. If I understand the tie breakers correctly those games get thrown out and then they would compare their records against the 4th place team. That in all likelihood will be the Ripon/SNC loser so Carroll would be eliminated. That narrows it down to two then they would use head to head between IC and the Ripon/SNC winner. Which IC would win. So yes, SNC or Ripon needs to win out and IC to lose a game.

Nobody controls their own destiny right now, not even the 5-2s. So it's looking like all 10 games matter this year. Every body needs help, just some more than others.

A three-way tiebreaker is head-to-head. If tie can't be broken it goes to quarters led. If two teams tie in quarters led it goes back to head-to-head. If three teams are tied in quarters led it goes to coin flip.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2010, 01:21:42 PM
That makes for more complicated research than what I said. And where did you find a 3 sided coin.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 24, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 24, 2010, 01:21:42 PM
That makes for more complicated research than what I said. And where did you find a 3 sided coin.  :D

Someone will have to take the edge.

Seriously though I think they each get a coin. One head and two tails the one head wins and vice versa.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on October 24, 2010, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 24, 2010, 01:21:42 PM
That makes for more complicated research than what I said. And where did you find a 3 sided coin.  :D

My unofficial tally in quarters led for the four co-leaders:

St. Norbert 21
Ripon 20
Carroll 17
Illinois College 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 24, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
Thanks for the explanation SNCSID. Good to see you after the game. But I must say you looked way to DRY!!!   :D  It may have been wet, but that did not hamper the spirit of homecoming. The parade was great.

I am glad you posted the tie-breaker for the conference. I was looking at the MWC site earlier and I could not find a link to contact them. Probably just missed it.

I also want to cheer the few Grinnell faithful that made the trip to De Pere for the game. It was raining from the time the parking lot opened until about half time. Mostly mist after that. But with all that rain, you did not see 1 puddle anywhere on that new field.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS


And yes, I am now a Grinnell and Beloit fan for each of the next 2 Saturdays.  ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 24, 2010, 09:08:11 PM
Dang! Everybody's hatin' on Blueboy Nation...  It was sure a lot easier finding friends when we weren't a factor. 

Couple quick updates: 

IWU's JV team pasted the IC JV 37-7.  It was still fun to see my kid on the field.  He did pretty good.  Some rust.  Couple mistakes.  But he showed a strong arm and that he can bring some athleticism and running to the position.  Should be an interesting battle for next year's spot.   Today, I just think the team was just overmatched.  :(

Bad news from home.  The Mighty Klein Freshman Broncos lost their first game of the season to the rival Klein Texans 14-12.  It is the first loss my teams have suffered since 2007.  I don't know if I should count it against my record since I wasn't there.  Roop, I hope you didn't have us layin' 2. ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2010, 09:16:29 PM
Klein Texans -2.5 so you're still unbeaten vs. the spread.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 24, 2010, 09:26:05 PM
Now that the tie breakers have been explained, here is a list of those still alive for the playoffs and the number of games that need to go in their favor the rest of the way.

3 Illinois College
3 St. Norbert
3 Ripon
4 Carroll
9 Beloit

So SNCOLDAD, I caution you about rooting for Beloit.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2010, 09:00:49 AM
So what you are saying is that 9 out of the remaining 10 games in the MWC need to go a specific way for Beloit to be in the hunt.  ???

2 Questions on that scenario Roop:

1. Do any of these need to be ties?

2. What is Vegas laying on this?

:D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 25, 2010, 09:41:49 AM
Tough one for the scots this weekend.  The difference.  Big Plays.  Beloit runs the opening kickoff back for 6 points, has a 3rd and 25 from their own 5 that they convert and then a double pass for 6 points.  I liked MCs chances in an overtime, but a tough drop in the endzone...(would've been nulled by a hold).  Seriously...keep your flags in your pockets on a play like that.  He 5 step dropped and released the ball, never would have gotten him anyway.

Got to hand it to beloit.  Their defense bent, but didn't break.  Monmouth had great field position all 3rd quarter but couldn't score.  We have to pick up the tempo more or just go back into a huddle.  We waste to much time calling a play and getting ready.  Take advantage of the wristband system or scratch it.  MC needs to finish the year strong.  Their will be no 3 peat, but 3 out of 4 next year is a distinct possibility...with or without Tanney.  Hopefully with!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 25, 2010, 09:48:09 AM
Congrats to IC with some big wins these passed few weeks.  I think I will root for them or Ripon to win.  Feels alot better if MC beat the conference champion.  If St. Norbert wins, then...well...we weren't enough to get them.  MC will be tough the next few years.  Lots of youth getting some big experience this year.  Good luck to whomever makes the playoffs.  Your prize....the terrible Tommies or Mount Whitewater.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2010, 09:58:40 AM
The prize is making the playoffs. Always has been. Always will be. Whoever the 1st round is against makes no difference. You have to get there first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 10:47:19 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2010, 09:00:49 AM
So what you are saying is that 9 out of the remaining 10 games in the MWC need to go a specific way for Beloit to be in the hunt.  ???

2 Questions on that scenario Roop:

1. Do any of these need to be ties?

2. What is Vegas laying on this?

:D

Correct, 9 of 10 need to go an exact way. The specifics would take too long to type but in a 5 way tie at 6-3 involving Beloit, Monmouth, St. Norbert, Ripon and Illinois College; Beloit goes to the playoffs via a 3-1 record vs. the other 4.

If my math is correct there are 120 possible outcomes each week x 2 that = 240. Since there is 1 game that doesn't effect anything my guess is the odds would be 238-1. Although I did come up with 362880-1 in another calculation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 25, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 25, 2010, 09:41:49 AM
Tough one for the scots this weekend.  The difference.  Big Plays.  Beloit runs the opening kickoff back for 6 points, has a 3rd and 25 from their own 5 that they convert and then a double pass for 6 points.  I liked MCs chances in an overtime, but a tough drop in the endzone...(would've been nulled by a hold).  Seriously...keep your flags in your pockets on a play like that.  He 5 step dropped and released the ball, never would have gotten him anyway.

Got to hand it to beloit.  Their defense bent, but didn't break.  Monmouth had great field position all 3rd quarter but couldn't score.  We have to pick up the tempo more or just go back into a huddle.  We waste to much time calling a play and getting ready.  Take advantage of the wristband system or scratch it.  MC needs to finish the year strong.  Their will be no 3 peat, but 3 out of 4 next year is a distinct possibility...with or without Tanney.  Hopefully with!!!

Kilts- Not trying to start anything and I appreciate the congrats to IC, but I just wonder if the situation were reversed, and say the opponent caught the ball, would you be saying "keep the flags in your pocket."?  Maybe you would?  However, to me, a hold is a hold.  Regardless of the steps involved or the game situation.  All things impact all things.  With all that said, I've seen better officiating in my pee-wee league and on Friday nights, than I've seen in the MWC tilts I've witnessed.  So I'm not arguing that it was a legit call.  Hey, to that end, someone needs to get me the O-line coach for RC.  He's taught #55 the best holding techniques I've ever seen.  How he gets away with it, is to be applauded!

I would also argue that any assumption that, even with Tanney's return for another season, y'all are next year's winner is, at the very least, premature.  Let's finish this season first.  Then we'll talk about the Blueboys 2nd in a row. ;) ;D :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 11:55:10 AM
Poor blu, he fell and hit his head again.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 25, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
Let's see. blu's team is semi in the driver's seat to get the nod.
Roop's team needs 9 out 10 games to go a specific way.

Now in all reality, WHO HIT THEIR HEAD?!?!?!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on October 25, 2010, 03:12:19 PM
Big Surprise to hear Ripon's fans behaved badly  and were whining after their crushing defeat to IC...that never even happens..  ::)

Rooting for anyone but the Red Menace to win this thing.....

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 25, 2010, 04:50:57 PM
Well Im sure FU...I mean...LU fans gave up whining about losing a long time ago. Just habit now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 25, 2010, 05:40:41 PM
Hey Blu I'm still here just as always, I usually post on Monday and thats whether we get clobbered 48-2 by St. Norbert's or paste the dynasty in the making 33-9, so there is no reason to call me out. Been here and always will be win or lose. You on the other hand seem to be a bit more chirpy on some Saturdays than others. Anyway I tried to post earlier but for some reason it didn't take but I agree with you Blu, since MC is already in the wait until next year mode, we will give the Blu Boys their due and wait until the seasons end to hear how the rest of the conference should not bother fielding a team the next three years.  As far as the Beloit game-Skirts and SagPipes  hit the nail on the head- three huge plays by Beloit was the difference, if any of those don't happen its another outcome, but like many contest this year it was hard to distinguish between the talent.  Once again a couple of more starters were out for MC, I guessing we were down about 7 of the the 22 starters on our depth chart from the start of the season, and thats not an excuse for losing but a reason for being optimistic. I can't even count the number of players who have started at different times for MC this year but only three or four aren't coming back, add Blodgett to the mix (and maybe even Tanney) we could see shades of 09 in the MWC again. Oh ya I was just kidding Kilts- you seem to have a great take on the MC program!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
The board is getting a bit testy today. Solution. One of Roops could be true but probably isn't stories.

Last time I was in Beloit I ran in to an old girl friend of mine that owed me some money. Naturally she didn't have it so I made a deal with her to work it off. I dropped her off on a corner in a questionable part of town with the promise that I would come back for her in a couple hours. I get back and ask how much she had for me. "$17.05 daddy" she replied. "$17.05, who's the cheap SOB that gave you the 5c" I asked. She said "All of them".
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 25, 2010, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 25, 2010, 05:40:41 PM
Hey Blu I'm still here just as always, I usually post on Monday and thats whether we get clobbered 48-2 by St. Norbert's or paste the dynasty in the making 33-9, so there is no reason to call me out. Been here and always will be win or lose. You on the other hand seem to be a bit more chirpy on some Saturdays than others. Anyway I tried to post earlier but for some reason it didn't take but I agree with you Blu, since MC is already in the wait until next year mode, we will give the Blu Boys their due and wait until the seasons end to hear how the rest of the conference should not bother fielding a team the next three years.  As far as the Beloit game-Skirts and SagPipes  hit the nail on the head- three huge plays by Beloit was the difference, if any of those don't happen its another outcome, but like many contest this year it was hard to distinguish between the talent.  Once again a couple of more starters were out for MC, I guessing we were down about 7 of the the 22 starters on our depth chart from the start of the season, and thats not an excuse for losing but a reason for being optimistic. I can't even count the number of players who have started at different times for MC this year but only three or four aren't coming back, add Blodgett to the mix (and maybe even Tanney) we could see shades of 09 in the MWC again. Oh ya I was just kidding Kilts- you seem to have a great take on the MC program!

Hey, cut Blu some slack.  He is in a state of bi-polar confusion - his Blueboys are doing things even HE didn't predict until next year, while his beloved 'horns are swirling down the toilet! ;D

Imagine my confusion if the Lions were headed for the Super Bowl while the Red Wings suddenly reverted to the 'Dead Things'. :o :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 06:12:09 PM
Swirling like a Cyclone as a matter of fact.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 25, 2010, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 25, 2010, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 25, 2010, 09:41:49 AM
Tough one for the scots this weekend.  The difference.  Big Plays.  Beloit runs the opening kickoff back for 6 points, has a 3rd and 25 from their own 5 that they convert and then a double pass for 6 points.  I liked MCs chances in an overtime, but a tough drop in the endzone...(would've been nulled by a hold).  Seriously...keep your flags in your pockets on a play like that.  He 5 step dropped and released the ball, never would have gotten him anyway.

Got to hand it to beloit.  Their defense bent, but didn't break.  Monmouth had great field position all 3rd quarter but couldn't score.  We have to pick up the tempo more or just go back into a huddle.  We waste to much time calling a play and getting ready.  Take advantage of the wristband system or scratch it.  MC needs to finish the year strong.  Their will be no 3 peat, but 3 out of 4 next year is a distinct possibility...with or without Tanney.  Hopefully with!!!

Kilts- Not trying to start anything and I appreciate the congrats to IC, but I just wonder if the situation were reversed, and say the opponent caught the ball, would you be saying "keep the flags in your pocket."?  Maybe you would?  However, to me, a hold is a hold.  Regardless of the steps involved or the game situation.  All things impact all things.  With all that said, I've seen better officiating in my pee-wee league and on Friday nights, than I've seen in the MWC tilts I've witnessed.  So I'm not arguing that it was a legit call.  Hey, to that end, someone needs to get me the O-line coach for RC.  He's taught #55 the best holding techniques I've ever seen.  How he gets away with it, is to be applauded!

I would also argue that any assumption that, even with Tanney's return for another season, y'all are next year's winner is, at the very least, premature.  Let's finish this season first.  Then we'll talk about the Blueboys 2nd in a row. ;) ;D :o



Blu,

I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem like I was placing blame for the loss, but I've seen two posts of now where you complained about the officials at the game vs Ripon. I was at the game. The officiating was bad, but was nearly all in IC's favor. I'm not accusing the officials of being biased, just bad (although whenever Ripon goes into IL, the calls always seem to lean against them).

IC was penalized once for 5 yards while Ripon had 9 penalties for 92 yards. Two of those were drive-killing personal fouls at the end of the game that could/should have gone the other way. On one of them, Ripon's tackle was blocking a kid down field near the sideline and then was dragged and thrown out-of-bounds after the play. I'm not sure what the official saw (if anything), but the RC player had done nothing after the play or while out-of-bounds. I'm guessing he just turned around and assumed the blocker was the one who threw the blockee.

The other came on RC's second to last drive where IC players were laying on RC's fullback after the play trying to run the clock. I didn't see the last penalty very well, so maybe the player through a punch or something rather than just shoving the players of off him. There was also a pass interference penalty on IC's final TD drive that shouldn't have been called either. The call could have gone both ways, but the two officials who had the best view didn't throw a flag, while an official who had the same exact angle on the play as I did in the stands, threw a late one. Like I said, that play looked like it could have gone either way, but the official who made the call had no business overruling the other two.

Ripon still had ample opportunities to win the game so I'm not blaming the officials for the outcome, but IC should have nothing to complain about in the dept. The officials have always been bad in the MWC. I guess there are not enough good ones in the Midwest as I'm sure the Pee Wee officials in Texas are better. I guess being able to play year-round will have an effect on that though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
When Ripon holds opponents under 40 points they are 6-0. When allowing 40 or more points they are 0-2. I did not attend either of those games but I doubt the officials put 51 and 40 points on the board for the other teams.

I'm not particularly impressed with the crews we have in the MWC either. Never a hold on a running play, always something on a passing play and a generous +1 yard spot following most every tackle. Ball has to hit the ground twice before it's an incompletion, having half a foot in bounds is always a catch and blocks in the back on kick/punt returns are legal............. Unfortunately, this is what we have.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 25, 2010, 09:45:47 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
When Ripon holds opponents under 40 points they are 6-0. When allowing 40 or more points they are 0-2. I did not attend either of those games but I doubt the officials put 51 and 40 points on the board for the other teams.

I'm not particularly impressed with the crews we have in the MWC either. Never a hold on a running play, always something on a passing play and a generous +1 yard spot following most every tackle. Ball has to hit the ground twice before it's an incompletion, having half a foot in bounds is always a catch and blocks in the back on kick/punt returns are legal............. Unfortunately, this is what we have.

Blu,

I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem like I was placing blame for the loss, but I've seen two posts of now where you complained about the officials at the game vs Ripon. I was at the game. The officiating was bad, but was nearly all in IC's favor. I'm not accusing the officials of being biased, just bad (although whenever Ripon goes into IL, the calls always seem to lean against them).

IC was penalized once for 5 yards while Ripon had 9 penalties for 92 yards. Two of those were drive-killing personal fouls at the end of the game that could/should have gone the other way. On one of them, Ripon's tackle was blocking a kid down field near the sideline and then was dragged and thrown out-of-bounds after the play. I'm not sure what the official saw (if anything), but the RC player had done nothing after the play or while out-of-bounds. I'm guessing he just turned around and assumed the blocker was the one who threw the blockee.

The other came on RC's second to last drive where IC players were laying on RC's fullback after the play trying to run the clock. I didn't see the last penalty very well, so maybe the player through a punch or something rather than just shoving the players of off him. There was also a pass interference penalty on IC's final TD drive that shouldn't have been called either. The call could have gone both ways, but the two officials who had the best view didn't throw a flag, while an official who had the same exact angle on the play as I did in the stands, threw a late one. Like I said, that play looked like it could have gone either way, but the official who made the call had no business overruling the other two.

Ripon still had ample opportunities to win the game so I'm not blaming the officials for the outcome, but IC should have nothing to complain about in the dept. The officials have always been bad in the MWC. I guess there are not enough good ones in the Midwest as I'm sure the Pee Wee officials in Texas are better. I guess being able to play year-round will have an effect on that though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 25, 2010, 09:46:28 PM
I'm traveling this week, and just got into my room.  Gonna consolidate my responses.

Moncol- One of your best posts.  Seriously.  But I will tell you that my posting is more dictated by my time than my enthusiasm or spirit.  Now I will say that this past weekend's game was one of the most exciting I have ever attended.  It did get me a bit pumped up.  Now I know I have something special to look forward to on Mondays.  You're here! ;D

SNCOLDAD- You got it right in your suggestion regarding head injuries.  However, I think Roop's occurred quite some time ago.  

Larry- Glad we could help make your weekend.

Roop- She lied.  I gave her a whole dollar, but I made her work for it...

TM- I wasn't complaining about the officiating in a way to suggest the Blueboys got screwed.  If it came off that way, it wasn't intended.  I just thought the referees were poor.  And it's the second time I've seen officials that should be making calls, not and vice-versa.  There was inconsistency which impacted both sides. It's kinda funny because each time I see a questionable call, I look to the Jumbotron for a replay.  But then I'm quickly reminded this isn't one of my pee-wee games. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 25, 2010, 09:50:22 PM
FYI, air horns in the stands would be illegal if it was an NCAA Playoff game. Artificial noisemakers of any kind are not permitted anywhere in the stadium. Ask Whitewater about their cannon. They have to move it up the hill outside the stadium for NCAA games.

For regular season games, it's up to conference rules and/or stadium facility rules.  No idea if the MWC or any of their stadiums has such a rule. In addition, the referees can have a noisemaker removed at anytime if they feel it's necessary in any game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 25, 2010, 09:46:28 PM
There was inconsistency which impacted both sides. It's kinda funny because each time I see a questionable call, I look to the Jumbotron for a replay.

You mean to tell me IC put the JumboTron up before the retractable dome was finished ?? I'm just not seeing any sense in that move.

By the way, would you happen to remember the serial number on that $1 note ? Sounds like somebody was holding out on me and she'd better have a good explanation.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 25, 2010, 10:19:14 PM
Bill-
I had heard about the playoff rules.  The horn was not "in" the stadium.  It was outside the fence.  And only blown in celebration. Never in any way to interfere with play. My comment was born only of that someone felt the need to complain.  It was just weak.  Honestly, I loved the horn.  Not b/c I'm an IC fan, but b/c I just love that kinda stuff.  It's all in fun.  It can't get loud enough to me.

Roop- On that serial #, it probably rubbed off shortly after I gave it to here. It's not like I'd pay a real dollar for anyone who had once been the first lady of Rooptonvilleburg....  Y'know what I mean? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 10:59:27 PM
Use better ink next time blu. I would have had $18.05 that night.

Here's footage of blu harassing Roops staff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWN4YIO5kAE&feature=related
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 08:22:27 AM
Roop- Couldn't pull up the video, but I'm sure I have great reason to be fearful.  The 70's and 80's were times of great "chemical experimentation".  Some of the images that remain today can be, to say the least, unflattering. :o

The from the 90's on, well, let's just say, the "experimentation" of the earlier decades, has a lingering impact on my decision making.  Combined with the proliferation of the camera phone, we have a "perfect storm" scenario for video of me in "compromising" situations.  Be gentle, my friend. ;)  Oh, and if it's the one I'm thinking of, I just wanna go on record, she said she was 21. ;D  If it's the other one, it had been a long time without rain and the rancher told me that's what all the cowboys did.

Lastly, Business 101:  If you wanna get paid.  Sell a better product. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 26, 2010, 09:14:07 AM
This week's DIII Fan Poll (http://www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com) has been released.

For further discussion go to D3 Top 25 Fan Poll message board (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.90).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 26, 2010, 10:29:10 AM
Blu - How are these stats for Leather helmet offense?

500+ yards total Offense
27 first downs
over 35minutes of clock control
35 points

Not sure about you but that looks to me like a pretty good offensive game.....  Just saying..... :P ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on October 26, 2010, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 25, 2010, 10:59:27 PM
Use better ink next time blu. I would have had $18.05 that night.

Here's footage of blu harassing Roops staff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWN4YIO5kAE&feature=related

Great timing!!, I hadn't seen the clip for awhile.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 26, 2010, 10:47:10 AM
Moncolfan....no offense taken.

Blu...hey...I'm a Cubs fan too, so the "wait till next year" thing comes naturally to me.  With so many young kids getting experiance and a possible return of a D3 player of the year and the best reciever on the team coming back and beating Ripon and beating IC (the newest perennial powerhouse ;))Things look pretty strong for the MC faithful.

I am just sayin, that in a situation where holding could be called on any play...don't put yourself in a position as an official to determine the outcome of a game.  Were we holding...probably...does every o-line hold on every play...YES! well..not in case of a screen pass...but then the WRs make up for it.  If the official never throws a flag, I wouldn't be complaining about a hold.  Everyone is watching the play in the endzone.  That official is probably very happy that the kid dropped the ball.  That place might have exploded.  Beloit's facilities allow for the ability for fans to be on the track.  Possibly a dangerous situation could happen there.  Anyway...hopefully MC can spoil Carrolls chances at anything and then finish off the year with a little "Turkey Dinner" at Knox.  Blu...you should go to the Monmouth Football website and check out the info on the Turkey Bowl.  Pretty good rivalry between MC and Knox.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 10:50:45 AM
Oh man!  I just got it to open.  I'm friggin' crying.  Partly because it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.  Also from joy that it wasn't the two I was most worried about. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 26, 2010, 10:29:10 AM
Blu - How are these stats for Leather helmet offense?

500+ yards total Offense
27 first downs
over 35minutes of clock control
35 points

Not sure about you but that looks to me like a pretty good offensive game.....  Just saying..... :P ::)

And I'm just sayin'...  Stats are sweet, but points are better.  35 was 6 shy of what was needed.  One dimensional offenses also limit your potential in 2 minute offenses or comebacks.  Dinosaurs no longer rome the earth.  And there's a reason these offenses are going the same way. ;)  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
Kilts- No disagreement on the fact that holding can be called on nearly every play.  I'd say in the end of game scenario you describe, it would have to be flagrant and impactful.  Not saying it was either (flagrant or impactful). But if it is, it should be called. If ticky-tack, you're 100% correct.  Keep it in your pocket. 

I've been to the MC website. I've been to MC (Jamie visited the same weekend he visited IC).  I've seen the Turkey Bowl story.  Sounds like a fun game. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 26, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 26, 2010, 10:29:10 AM
Blu - How are these stats for Leather helmet offense?

500+ yards total Offense
27 first downs
over 35minutes of clock control
35 points

Not sure about you but that looks to me like a pretty good offensive game.....  Just saying..... :P ::)

And I'm just sayin'...  Stats are sweet, but points are better.  35 was 6 shy of what was needed.  One dimensional offenses also limit your potential in 2 minute offenses or comebacks.  Dinosaurs no longer rome the earth.  And there's a reason these offenses are going the same way. ;)  


You were actually at the game and you are going to write and say that this offense can't run a 2 minute drill?  That is what the offense is!  So tell me, did Ripon run out of time, or did they throw an INT in the end-zone?  You were there?!  I'm just saying putting up 35 points in a game with the stats that I previously posted should get you a win..  To argue that is to have no respect for the game.  Now with that being said, IC did a wonderful job and deserved the win..

To go back to the "fake punt" that was actually a bad snap that the punter decided to take off with. 

Now it's time to get ready for SNC...  That's going to be a good game.. GO BC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Roop get your boys ready for the IC game...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 26, 2010, 12:21:34 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 26, 2010, 10:29:10 AM
Blu - How are these stats for Leather helmet offense?

500+ yards total Offense
27 first downs
over 35minutes of clock control
35 points

Not sure about you but that looks to me like a pretty good offensive game.....  Just saying..... :P ::)

And I'm just sayin'...  Stats are sweet, but points are better.  35 was 6 shy of what was needed.  One dimensional offenses also limit your potential in 2 minute offenses or comebacks.  Dinosaurs no longer rome the earth.  And there's a reason these offenses are going the same way. ;)  

I doubt Notre Dame thought it was too old school over the weekend, neither did the ACC last year. Also you can ask Carroll and Monmouth how limited the offense is when trying to come back late in a game. They are also #1 in the conference in scoring offense and total offense.

You are right thought stats don't necessarily win games, but I wouldn't point fingers at the offense for Saturday's results.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on October 26, 2010, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 25, 2010, 04:50:57 PM
Well Im sure FU...I mean...LU fans gave up whining about losing a long time ago. Just habit now.

Yeah...we are used to the football losses...its true.  But it gives us time to worry about academics and stuff....you know the things that lets LU grads not all become high school gym teachers....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 26, 2010, 02:05:05 PM
Hold on...you THREW the ball against monmouth to come back.  Two years ago, when MC snuck one out against you at home, you tried to run the ball at the end of the game and it didn't work.  Yes...the option works in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarter, but in the 4th, if you are behind...you don't have time to run it.  Now...hopefully you aren't behind because you have scored all game and run the clock down.  The issue with all options is when they face a much better defense then we have in the MWC, quicker DBs get to the option guys faster.  Bigger lines take away the fullbacks and QBs get killed by OLBs.  I think that Ripon wins this weekend because the Norby d-line won't be able to handle the fullback.  I do think that the Ripon d will struggle with the Norby O.  I say its a 56-49 win for Ripon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 26, 2010, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: larry_u on October 26, 2010, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 25, 2010, 04:50:57 PM
Well Im sure FU...I mean...LU fans gave up whining about losing a long time ago. Just habit now.

Yeah...we are used to the football losses...its true.  But it gives us time to worry about academics and stuff....you know the things that lets LU grads not all become high school gym teachers....

Ha....both of the gym teachers at the school I work at went to Lawrence...that just made my day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2010, 02:22:01 PM
You guys are moving way too fast for me these days.... >:(

Here's a topic:  Is the MWC stronger or weaker this year?  There are seven teams with .500 records or higher, but three teams with only one win.  Talk amongst yourselves....    :)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 26, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
I'd say last year's champ and even runner-up would beat this year's champ and runner-up. But from 3 on down I think this year's conference is stronger than last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 26, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
The conference isnt as lopsided anymore.  Teams that used to be an easier win are now a dogfight.  Overall talent level has risen for the conference, but I agree with cornhusker, the conference champ this year would be 3rd or 4th in the conference last year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 26, 2010, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 26, 2010, 02:05:05 PM
Hold on...you THREW the ball against monmouth to come back.  Two years ago, when MC snuck one out against you at home, you tried to run the ball at the end of the game and it didn't work.  Yes...the option works in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarter, but in the 4th, if you are behind...you don't have time to run it.  Now...hopefully you aren't behind because you have scored all game and run the clock down.  The issue with all options is when they face a much better defense then we have in the MWC, quicker DBs get to the option guys faster.  Bigger lines take away the fullbacks and QBs get killed by OLBs.  I think that Ripon wins this weekend because the Norby d-line won't be able to handle the fullback.  I do think that the Ripon d will struggle with the Norby O.  I say its a 56-49 win for Ripon.

I seem to remember Monmouth's offense struggling in the postseason the past couple years after being one of the national leaders in offense each year. Their offense doesn't fair too well either against non-MWC defenses.

You just rattled off defenses that any offense would struggle against. The option allows you to play with undersized offensive lineman and recruit kids that most programs aren't. Ripon is consistently undersized every week when comparing their O-line to D-line. It also allows them to put more size and speed on the defensive side of the ball that isn't necessarily needed or wanted on offense. Maybe that has been a reason that RC's defense is usually one of the conference's best (though they seem to have taken a step back this year).

The option allows teams like Navy to play with Notre Dame and Ohio State. If not for what I think was six turnovers against UW-Oshkosh in 2008, RC could have pulled an upset there. Granted every other year, we were killed by them,  mainly because their D-tackles couldn't be double-teamed, but how many other offenses in our conference wouldn't struggle with them?

Everyone else runs the spread. Teams prepare for it week-in-and-out. They only see the triple option once a year. I believe it to be a huge competitive advantage.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on October 26, 2010, 07:22:09 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 26, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
I'd say last year's champ and even runner-up would beat this year's champ and runner-up. But from 3 on down I think this year's conference is stronger than last year.

Totally agree
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 26, 2010, 07:24:47 PM
It's a proven fact that when the football team does well the alumni contributions go up. I'm not saying academic standards have been lowered for football players, because they'd have to do it for everybody, but athletic departments aren't seen as necessary evils any more.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 26, 2010, 11:27:28 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 26, 2010, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: larry_u on October 26, 2010, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 25, 2010, 04:50:57 PM
Well Im sure FU...I mean...LU fans gave up whining about losing a long time ago. Just habit now.

Yeah...we are used to the football losses...its true.  But it gives us time to worry about academics and stuff....you know the things that lets LU grads not all become high school gym teachers....

Ha....both of the gym teachers at the school I work at went to Lawrence...that just made my day.

I'm not sure. Should I be embarrased that my daughter will graduate in December with a hard earned degree in Physical Education from UT? ???  It appears she will be teaching middle school phys ed.  The shame of it all...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 12:07:10 AM
Hey RC fan.  Relax.  You're collective senses of humor appear to be shrinking. Yall were a whole lot more hospitable and tolerant of my rant when the Blueboys were just fodder for the traditional powers. Of which you were one.  ;)

Ya, I was at the game. And ya, I think your offense limited you in the last 2 series.  In the 2nd to last series, it's 2nd and 25 (result of a PF penalty).  Is that a situation that is well suited for the option?  Don't answer. It was a rhetorical question.  In the last series, when you've exhausted your TO's, and you got <2 min on the clock, isn't that a time you'd wish to be proficient in the passing game?  Again, rhetorical question.  All I'm sayin it that one-dimensional proficiency is limiting.  Back in the run & shoot days, as was evidenced by one of my most painful football memories (a 32 point comeback by Buffalo against my Oilers in the playoffs), the Oilers one-dimensional (passing) offense limited their ability to run out the clock.  Two inarguable limitations of one-dimensional offense built around running are; extending the clock is made more difficult, and you're typically not as proficient/skilled/successful in/with the pass.  The result in the latter case; interceptions happen with greater frequency (relative to the # of passes thrown). 

Lastly, on the blocked punt.  I must have missed the part where the snap was bad.  Me, and everyone around me. ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 27, 2010, 01:19:41 AM
Ripon will continue 'running'(;)) the option regardless of the approval rating until it reflects on their record.  And that is not the case this year.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 26, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
I'd say last year's champ and even runner-up would beat this year's champ and runner-up. But from 3 on down I think this year's conference is stronger than last year.
I don't have the historical info to discuss this, but I believe we're building the conference from the Blueboys up! ;D Next year, It'll be even better (for Blueboy Nation A.K.A. the Chosen People). ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 27, 2010, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 26, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
I'd say last year's champ and even runner-up would beat this year's champ and runner-up. But from 3 on down I think this year's conference is stronger than last year.
I don't have the historical info to discuss this, but I believe we're building the conference from the Blueboys up! ;D Next year, It'll be even better (for Blueboy Nation A.K.A. the Chosen People). ;)

Are you implying that the Blueboys are on the bottom?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2010, 01:16:08 PM
He's probably just trying to be coy about some Master Plan or something. My money says he heard from someone else anyway and now we'll have to deal with it for 3 more years. Rookie posters getting ideas on their own ?? Unheard of.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2010, 01:16:08 PM
He's probably just trying to be coy about some Master Plan or something. My money says he heard from someone else anyway and now we'll have to deal with it for 3 more years. Rookie posters getting ideas on their own ?? Unheard of.

Thanks a pantload, Roop.  I swore you to secrecy on the "Master Plan" and here you go shootin' your mouth off.  I suppose you've been sending back channel messages sharing that I'm actually a plant from the "Black-Ops" department of the IC administration.  That, in addition to recruiting ferocious 280 lb. DT's ;) and agile rocket armed QB's up from the fertile pastures of Texas, I'm also placing highly orchestrated propaganda on the D3 boards.  I thought you could be trusted...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 27, 2010, 08:32:24 PM
Blu, did you happen to notice who is this week's D3football.com's quarterback of the week is? 

http://d3football.com/awards/tow/2010/week8

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 08:34:21 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 27, 2010, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 26, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
I'd say last year's champ and even runner-up would beat this year's champ and runner-up. But from 3 on down I think this year's conference is stronger than last year.
I don't have the historical info to discuss this, but I believe we're building the conference from the Blueboys up! ;D Next year, It'll be even better (for Blueboy Nation A.K.A. the Chosen People). ;)

Are you implying that the Blueboys are on the bottom?  ;)

A quick perusal of the current MWC standings will best illustrate from where I believe the Blueboys will build for next season.  Perhaps this link will provide you more immediate clarification.  http://www.midwestconference.org/index.aspx?path=football&tab=football  Sorry to have been so vague. ::)  Of course, the seasons not over.  Nor, may be our climb. 

Honestly, I don't know how this season ends up.  If we don't win another game, I'm beyond happy with what we've accomplised thus far. But I do believe the next three seasons will show increased improvement, beyond that which we've seen this year, over the prior season.

At first there was laughter directed at the silly man from Texas who proclaimed the Blueboys to be contenders...  All of which was based on just watching the players move into the dorms. ;)

Should be an interesting couple weeks!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 27, 2010, 08:32:24 PM
Blu, did you happen to notice who is this week's D3football.com's quarterback of the week is? 

http://d3football.com/awards/tow/2010/week8



Just another example of the orchestrated Blueboy propaganda campaign.  We are, after all, Blueboy Nation! The Chosen People... Get it?  Chosen  ;D

Seriously, thanks!  I hadn't seen it.  That's pretty cool.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 08:12:36 PM
Thanks a pantload, Roop.  I swore you to secrecy on the "Master Plan" and here you go shootin' your mouth off.  I suppose you've been sending back channel messages sharing that I'm actually a plant from the "Black-Ops" department of the IC administration.  That, in addition to recruiting ferocious 280 lb. DT's ;) and agile rocket armed QB's up from the fertile pastures of Texas, I'm also placing highly orchestrated propaganda on the D3 boards.  I thought you could be trusted...

As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about. However, if you arrive to Strong Stadium in a Black Helicopter I may have cause for concern.

Just relax blu and accept the fact that the X Files went off the air years ago. Mulder and Scully aren't real. IC has no Black Ops Department and you have not recruited any type of DT like that to a MWC school. It will be ok. We're all here for ya. 

Sounds like cranial rectumitis to me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Freddy V on October 28, 2010, 11:01:46 AM
talk about 280 lb DT's.  Man Baratti is a fata$$.  Maybe Beloit should work on getting a conditioning program in the offseason to make sure no more problems like that occur. 

I'm loving the conference being so crazy this year, but im still seeing back to back to back this year.


Go Scots!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 28, 2010, 01:14:43 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 27, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 27, 2010, 08:12:36 PM
Thanks a pantload, Roop.  I swore you to secrecy on the "Master Plan" and here you go shootin' your mouth off.  I suppose you've been sending back channel messages sharing that I'm actually a plant from the "Black-Ops" department of the IC administration.  That, in addition to recruiting ferocious 280 lb. DT's ;) and agile rocket armed QB's up from the fertile pastures of Texas, I'm also placing highly orchestrated propaganda on the D3 boards.  I thought you could be trusted...

As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about. However, if you arrive to Strong Stadium in a Black Helicopter I may have cause for concern.

Just relax blu and accept the fact that the X Files went off the air years ago. Mulder and Scully aren't real. IC has no Black Ops Department and you have not recruited any type of DT like that to a MWC school. It will be ok. We're all here for ya. 

Sounds like cranial rectumitis to me.

Cranial Rectumitis?  It's a chronic condition. Perhaps hereditary.  I even had a brief attack today.  But I think it's a bit of a stretch in this case.  ;D  As for your assessment of the IC Black Ops program.  You're right.  There's no such thing.  I was making it up.  I was off my meds yesterday. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 28, 2010, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: Freddy V on October 28, 2010, 11:01:46 AM

but im still seeing back to back to back this year.

Go Scots!!!!

Freddy! Put the crack pipe, down!!!  Back away from the keyboard!!!  ;D  One post and a minus 2 Karma.  Freddy, do you need any other signs to know that you have a problem?  ;D   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 28, 2010, 02:18:50 PM
Blu- by far your best post of the year. Spot on with the crack pipe comment but I take issue blaming it on the Karma.  What in the heck does he mean by back to back to back?????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2010, 04:23:02 PM
CR is hereditary and I'm surprised you didn't get a full scholarship. But blu had to pay his own way and here's how did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfftV_SQ8I&feature=related
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 08:54:04 AM
Beloit at Lawrence -
Possible look ahead game on the road for Americas Team.  They know that they need appox. 8410 scenario's to break their way to make the post season. But Beloit sqeaks by 42-17

Carroll at Monmouth
Carroll has everything to play for, while MC is dealing with the season that wasn't, and has visions of Tanney's return next season dancing in their heads.  The football God's who are, after all, Blueboy fans, are the wind in MC's sail this weekend.  MC at home 31-21.

Illinois College at Grinnell
Blueboys are angry that this isn't the GOW.  They smell the blood in the water and Grinnell's fear in facing this MWC juggernaut. Blueboy Nation celebrates all the way home.  35-24 

Knox at Lake Forest
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Must we???  Since we must, Knox shows greater immunity to end zone repellent.  LF manages to score less than Knox.  17-10.

GAME of the WEEK:
St. Norbert at Ripon
Norbert, single-handedly lifted by a certain O-lineman playing on his final collegiate road trip, puts the still reeling Red Hawks out of their misery.  The 742 yards gained by RC, is not enough to pull out the win.  SNC wins 31-27.  RC fan base believes solution is to be found, next season, in a greater commitment to the run game. ;D 

Now, for the real GOW-
The Mighty Klein Freshman Broncos are in their first playoff game vs. the Spring Lions.  This season's earlier match-up ended in a 20-20 tie.  But the difference in this game is that Broncos' legendary head coach returns to the sidelines.  Broncos 25 – Lions 13 

BTW-  Roop, just FYI, the Broncos are getting 4.  ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 09:05:30 AM
Whooooaaaaaa.......................

bluVegas can make it's own line but the Official RoopVegas line is Spring -6.5  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 29, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
 ;D blu, of course you meant final REGULAR SEASON road trip.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 09:19:32 AM
Take the Broncs and the points. 5-star lock of the week... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 29, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
;D blu, of course you meant final REGULAR SEASON road trip.   :D

My friend, if it can't be us, then I'm with ya. It starts with yall gettin it done this weekend.  Best of luck to SNC.  Best of luck to your boy!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 29, 2010, 09:26:58 AM
The  talk of an apparent steroid abuse investigation, the distraction of halloween plans, and a bout of food poisoning from the left over armadillo sticks  served at Fridays lunch are too much for your Broncos to overcome this week. They lose a heartbreaker 20-19.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 10:02:45 AM
It's not a crisis unless a Giant Armadillo over turns a Lone Star beer truck. And then only for those who don't get there in time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 10:06:11 AM
I think you're just trying to Pi$$ me off. First of all, if you've ever had armadillo sticks, you know there are never any leftovers. But what really chapped me is the steroid investigation comment. My crack training staff is far too good to be snaired in that net.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
No "I" in team but apparently there is an "i" in snared. Is somebody off their meds again ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
No "I" in team but apparently there is an "i" in snared. Is somebody off their meds again ??

And there is an "I" in Iphone...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 10:54:00 AM
iPhone
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 29, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 08:54:04 AM
Knox at Lake Forest
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Must we???  Since we must, Knox shows greater immunity to end zone repellent.  LF manages to score less than Knox.   17-10.

If I had the power of +K I would serve you up some with a side of armadillo sticks.  Classic post.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2010, 02:18:40 PM
Picks for Week 8:

Knox @ Lake Forest - LFC
Carroll @ Monmouth - MC
St. Norbert @ Ripon - SNC
Illinois C. @ Grinnell - GC
Beloit @ Lawrence - BC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Last home game of the season--finish it off the right way!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on October 29, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 08:54:04 AM
Knox at Lake Forest
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Must we???  Since we must, Knox shows greater immunity to end zone repellent.  LF manages to score less than Knox.   17-10.

If I had the power of +K I would serve you up some with a side of armadillo sticks.  Classic post.

I'll always know in my heart that there's one not showing.  Nah!  Probably -10K for all the times you'd like to have taken one away... ;D  But check your stocking Santa Blu may have left something for you... ;)  It's for not one of those nit-picky jack-wagons who wants to correct my spelling. Y'know what I'm sayin'? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 02:32:52 PM
IC needs to beat GC in order to help Americas Team. But the rest of your picks work very well Mav.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2010, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 02:32:52 PM
IC needs to beat GC in order to help Americas Team. But the rest of your picks work very well Mav.

Thanks, The Roop!  I'm glad 4 of my 5 picks could please you...and I even picked America's Team this time!  I'm actually still trying to figure out if I can make enough picks in these last 2 weeks to somehow get The Good Guys on top of the league. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 04:26:22 PM
The Good Guys can still gain a share of the conference title but will miss the post season by virtue of the tie breaking system. Winning out will help Americas Team however.

Go Scots Go
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 02:32:52 PM
IC needs to beat GC in order to help Americas Team. But the rest of your picks work very well Mav.

That'll make it 1 down, 8409 to go...  Good luck! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 05:34:30 PM
Sometimes the square peg does fit when all the eggs have hatched.

FYI. I made some Carroll Shelbys Chili today and added kidneys beans, diced tomatoes, can of beer and a can of water to make it a soup. The way it's supposed to be..................... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 29, 2010, 05:54:21 PM
Former MWC member Cornell has announced they are exploring a move to another athletic conference. 

http://iowaconference.com/news/2010/10/29/GEN_1029101852.aspx

Does anyone on here think they want to move back home?  If Cornell moves back, are there any current MWC members that might leave? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 29, 2010, 06:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 05:34:30 PM
Sometimes the square peg does fit when all the eggs have hatched.

FYI. I made some Carroll Shelbys Chili today and added kidneys beans, diced tomatoes, can of beer and a can of water to make it a soup. The way it's supposed to be..................... ;D

No disagreement.  My wife, and most women in Texas prefer it that way.  That was probably light beer, eh?  Hey, does your husband make chili? :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 29, 2010, 06:18:29 PM
Roop, be careful how far you taunt blu - the Texas constitution prohibits beans in chili! :D

Chili may be the only thing in Texas more sacred than football. :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2010, 07:07:50 PM
I'll taunt blu all I like as he has admitted to repeat violations of the Texas Constitution Chili Regulations.

blu, I'll give you a +K for proper usage of the word "eh" but what is this thing called light beer that you spoke of  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Phred on October 29, 2010, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 29, 2010, 05:54:21 PM
Former MWC member Cornell has announced they are exploring a move to another athletic conference. 

http://iowaconference.com/news/2010/10/29/GEN_1029101852.aspx

Does anyone on here think they want to move back home?  If Cornell moves back, are there any current MWC members that might leave? 

STATION KCRG of Cedar Rapids announced tonight that  Cornell HAS APPLIED for membership in the MWC.
Will they be accepted back?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 29, 2010, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: Phred on October 29, 2010, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 29, 2010, 05:54:21 PM
Former MWC member Cornell has announced they are exploring a move to another athletic conference. 

http://iowaconference.com/news/2010/10/29/GEN_1029101852.aspx

Does anyone on here think they want to move back home?  If Cornell moves back, are there any current MWC members that might leave? 

STATION KCRG of Cedar Rapids announced tonight that  Cornell HAS APPLIED for membership in the MWC.
Will they be accepted back?
Ok so here is the thing...  There was talk over the summer about making an ACM conference, which would keep 7 current MWC schools (dropping 3) and then adding Coe, Cornell, and Luther.  I would be shocked if they allow Cornell into the conference w/o the other 2.  The only way that would play out is there would be 11 teams and instead of a non-conference, everyone would have a bye week.  I don't know if that is something that is possible..

The reason Cornell wants to leave the Iowa Conference is because they are our LU, Knox schools..  They believe that they would have a better chance in the MWC.  After being witness to the Iowa Conference for many years, I agree that it is a level up on the MWC... 

Safe travels to all and good luck to everyone except IC and SNC... :o ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 29, 2010, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: Phred on October 29, 2010, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 29, 2010, 05:54:21 PM
Former MWC member Cornell has announced they are exploring a move to another athletic conference. 

http://iowaconference.com/news/2010/10/29/GEN_1029101852.aspx

Does anyone on here think they want to move back home?  If Cornell moves back, are there any current MWC members that might leave? 

STATION KCRG of Cedar Rapids announced tonight that  Cornell HAS APPLIED for membership in the MWC.
Will they be accepted back?

The simplest scenario would be Cornell to the MWC and Illinois College to the SLIAC. IC already explored that route when there were rumblings of an MWC break-up last year, but the SLIAC feared IC might be too strong in facilities and relative program strength.  That scenario would also make an even number of schools in both the IIAC and SLIAC while retaining an even number in the MWC.

Carroll and SNC were also thought to be unhappy last year. Maybe one of them is serious about making move so Cornell feels like there will be a place for them as a single team.

I don't think they are going to get Luther or Coe to go with them. I think the IIAC schools think they would be happier as an 8-team league anyway.

Frankly other than the MWC I couldn't imagine where Cornell could go, without changing Divisions or leaving for the NAIA. UMAC, SLIAC and NAC are too far. MIAC, WIAC and CCIW would have no interest.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
IC would leave.  They would move to Division I within 2 years and join the Big 12.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 12:30:22 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 30, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
IC would leave.  They would move to Division I within 2 years and join the Big 12.   ;)

Nah.  If IC faced Texas, blu's head would explode! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 03:11:58 AM
Maybe we're looking this the wrong way. Is there another school that is interested in joining the MWC and/or the MWC would accept so that there would once again be 12 schools? I know Finlandia would be willing to join any conference with a pulse.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 08:43:05 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 30, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
IC would leave.  They would move to Division I within 2 years and join the Big 12.   ;)
Kudo's Scottie for seeing throught the smoke screen, here.  My question is; when did you see it taking shape.  As I was reading the posts last night, I was stunned that no on the obvious conspiracy in play.  At the pace of IC's current and meteoric rise, it's clear that the MWC cannot be expected to hold Blueboy Nation. 

It's been all I could do to not let the cat out of the bag. From the first hint that Nebraska and Colorado would depart, I knew it was on.  Admittedly, Mack told me it was happening.  Then came the night construction at England Field.  The plans for doming the stadium, the jumbotron, and creation of additional parking for tailgating.  It's all coming together.  Just follow the money.  Clearly the Big 12 brass wants to capture the emergent TV markets of Iowa, Wisconsin, and Illinois. Nothing gets by you, dude. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 08:44:11 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2010, 12:30:22 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 30, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
IC would leave.  They would move to Division I within 2 years and join the Big 12.   ;)

Nah.  If IC faced Texas, blu's head would explode! ;D

Nah, but I do suspect IC might win! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 03:11:58 AM
Maybe we're looking this the wrong way. Is there another school that is interested in joining the MWC and/or the MWC would accept so that there would once again be 12 schools? I know Finlandia would be willing to join any conference with a pulse.

We have enough teams already. In fact it wouldn't bother me if we dropped one. But if Illinois College joins the Big17, as scottie suggests, it will resolve itself. Football-wise I don't think the NCAA would allow an 11th game for the conference championship. So a 9 game season is what we would get if the conference expanded and went to divisional scheduling again. 

Finlandia is between a rock and a hard place, geographically, but I suspect the UMAC will take them. I really don't care so I doubt I will lose any sleep about it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 12:44:14 PM
Well, it hasn't happened since 2006, but my Klein Broncos lost a playoff game.  The Lions were the better team in pasting us 28-13!  Let's just hope Blueboy Nation can celebrate today like the Bronco faithful couldn't. :'(

On another note, Roop, you off your meds? Or am I? Did your post read like a;sdjngafjvgeogngva;slkngfi to anyone eles??? ???  Where's Finlandia?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
Hancock, UP of Michigan. About 200 miles north of St. Norbert. A small school that has always been an independent due to the fact that SNC is the second closest D3 school to them. The closest D3 school is 150 miles away at Northland College of the UMAC in Ashland, Wisconsin on the shores of Lake Superior.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 01:22:24 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
Yah. It's up der in da UP eh.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 02:05:20 PM
Underway in Ripon ...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 02:12:34 PM
6-0 Grinnell on opening drive.  Missed XP. 3 and out for IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 02:14:56 PM
Ripon puts together nice, long opening drive with a few 3rd down conversions. 7-0 Redhwaks, 8:19 left in first quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
SNC responds with a TD drive of its own, keyed by a 34-yard pass on the first play.

7-7 with 5:28 left in first quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 02:28:11 PM
IC goes 95 yards on about 6 plays. 7-6 Blueboys!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 02:34:52 PM
SNC cannot stop Ripon's option offense.  :(

End of 1st, 7-7, but Ripon has ball 2nd and goal at the 2.

RC has tried just one pass, I think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 02:37:05 PM
Marshall runs it in to cap 60-yard drive (after SNC kicked it out of bounds  >:().

13-7 Ripon as kicked is missed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 02:40:29 PM
50 yard punt return by Grinnell.  Missed XP.  12-7 Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 02:47:22 PM
lost the feed from Ripon ...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 30, 2010, 02:54:34 PM
same here, but got a text saying that it's 14-13 SNC, but RIpon just fumbled on their 35...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 02:55:59 PM
Carroll takes a 7-0 lead with 3 minutes left in the first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 02:59:44 PM
Nice IC drive for a TD.  2 Pt. conversion good.  15-12 Blueboys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 03:00:43 PM
Great Grinnell kick-off return and drive nets 0.  Missed 21 yard FG.  IC still leads 15-12.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 03:03:11 PM
Got feed back, but no audio (sorry, Steve Prestegaard!)... SNC touchdown

21-13 Green Knights
5:38 left 1st half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
Hmmm... all of sudden it's 1:04 left in first half

and I have audio
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 03:07:26 PM
IC special teams have given Grinnell starts in their 3 last drives deep in IC territory.  This time, it hurt.  30 yd pass for Grinnell TD.  XP good.  Grinnell up 19-15 with about 3 min in half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 03:09:42 PM
Ripon drives to inside the 10 but can't punch it in and FG is blocked. SNC recovers with a few second left and takes a knee.

SNC INT that leads to TD is the turning point so far.

Halftime
St. Norbert 21
Ripon 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 03:30:48 PM
You're welcome, Grinnell!  Kidding.  Grinnell is playing a little smarter than the Blueboys through the first half.  IC continues to extend the opponent's drives with penalties. Last one leading to a 25 yard FG.  Combined with several dropped passes by IC receivers, your halftime score is 22-15 Grinnell.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 03:35:37 PM
At the half LU 9 BC 3. Beloit finally scored in their 3rd red zone possession but I'm still not sure why time was put back on the clock. They recovered their on fumble on 3rd and goal and the clock ran out. Lawrence had left the field and had to be called back. 1 second was put back up, not sure why, and Beloit kicked a FG.

Sloppy game on both sides thus far. Lots of stupid penalties. Lawrence defense is playing very well however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 03:41:11 PM
Chris Casper dives across the goalline for a TD. XP no good. Carroll leads 13-0 midway through the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
Monmouth puts together a nice drive but gets intercepted in the endzone by Evan Konetzke. Carroll takesover at the 20.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 03:48:08 PM
Sorry, only checking periodically while carving pumpkins with the kids...

SNC got a field goal to take a 24-13 lead

Ripon has the ball at midfield, 6:22 left in the third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
I can tell this ain't Texas. ;D  The broadcasters keep taliking about some cross-country track meet results...  What the.... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
End of 3, SNC leads 24-13

SNC held Ripon on 4th down at the SNC 30, and is now driving. SNC has the ball, 3rd & 7 at the Ripon 34.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:03:00 PM
Berger gets his third TD pass of the day, this of the 6 yard variety.

Missed EXP kick

SNC leads 30-13.

Here's where the option offense can work against you. Ripon has put together some nice drives but they can take sooooo long. Ripon now needs 3 scores in 11:41.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2010, 04:05:45 PM
Post scores please
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
I can tell this ain't Texas. ;D  The broadcasters keep taliking about some cross-country track meet results...  What the.... ???

You're listening to Grinnell College announcers. Grinnell's men's cross country team won the conference title again this year. The last they didn't win or share the title Bob Dole was just days away from losing to Bill Clinton in the presidential election.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 04:06:33 PM
IC took advantage of great field position as a result of a bad punt.  Punched it in.  XP good.  22-22 w/ 6+ minutes left in 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:07:22 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2010, 04:05:45 PM
Post scores please

Carroll leads Monmouth 13-0 with nine minutes left in the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
If not the dagger, then a gaping flesh wound, as SNC intercepts Ripon with 6:20 to play.

Ripon drove to the 30 but had a 3rd and 11. SNC picks it off at the 5, and returns to the 33. First play gets big yards to the RC 42.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:13:11 PM
Monmouth TD. Carroll leads 13-7 with 6:40 to play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:16:49 PM
"And that will definitely cook the RedHawks" says the announcer, as John Weninger runs in for the touchdown.

37-13 SNC leads with 3:53 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2010, 04:18:00 PM
37-13. Sweet
Go Grinnell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 04:21:31 PM
Another dropped 3rd down pass snuffs out IC drive (we actually came up short on a 4th down attempt).  Grinnell executes flawlessly on the insuing drive.  29-22 Grinnell with <1 minute in third.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:23:50 PM
SNC takes over on downs with 2:06 remaining.

All over but the clock...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:24:47 PM
Carroll starts a drive after a Monmouth punt with two minutes left from their own 2 yard line. Monmouth has three timeouts. Still 13-7 Pioneers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:26:57 PM
And it's a final...

SNC stays in at least a tie for first, with a 37-13 victory over Ripon.

Purtill now 11-1 vs. Ripon.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:31:43 PM
Monmouth is going to get a chance. Carroll punts. Scots on their 47 with 48 seconds left but no timeouts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:35:31 PM
Monmouth gets a TD with 14 seconds left but missed the XP is missed. The score is tied 13-13.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:35:54 PM
Grinnell adds to its lead (which I like, right? I'm so confused), as Cody Weber gets a TD with 8:26 remaining.

36-22 Pios lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 04:37:29 PM
Stellar drive by Grinnell following a pick which killed a decent IC drive.  Grinnell punches it in with 8 min left.  36-22 Grinnell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:39:01 PM
Overtime in the Maple City.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:39:34 PM
Grinnell intercepts IC again!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
The Grinnell announcer declares the game over, as the Pios get as 37-yard TD pass.

Now 42-22 (exp missed) GC leads with 5:57 left.


Iowa leads 23-0 on Sparty


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:47:42 PM
Carroll gets to the 5 yard line but 24 yard FG is no good. Monmouth wins with any kind of points.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:50:56 PM
IC not going away... Blue TD pass

42-29 with 4:15 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 04:51:55 PM
SNCOLDAD- Things are breaking your way today.  Another pick leads to another GC drive and TD.  XP no good.  42-22.  Congrats to the Pioneers!  They played real well.  IC couldn't overcome their miscues.  Special accolades to Grinnell receiver, Jason Peters.  That kid came up HUGE all day!

IC nearly runs back the KO.  Leads to a TD.  42-28 4:15 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:53:26 PM
Monmouth has a 22 yard FG to win it 16-13. Carroll and Monmouth are now 5-3.

So what kind of mess are we looking at if IC can't comeback and Lawrence pulls off a miracle win against SNC next week?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 30, 2010, 04:54:15 PM
Please keep me posted
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:54:53 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:53:26 PM
Monmouth has a 22 yard FG to win it 16-13. Carroll and Monmouth are now 5-3.

So what kind of mess are we looking at if IC can't comeback and Lawrence pulls off a miracle win against SNC next week?

I think Lawrence plays Ripon...

SNC hosts Lake Forest
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:57:07 PM
Pios get a key first down on 4th down...

2:15 and counting
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 05:00:27 PM
IC interception (edit: own 9 yard line) with 1:11 left....

GC QB hurt on the play.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 05:01:42 PM
Don't know what happened, but with 1:11 left, deep in IC territory, while they should have just run out the clock, GC passed and got picked.  IC ball.  Worse yet, the QB was injured on the play.  Only GC mistake on the day.  What the heck were they thinking? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 04:54:53 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 30, 2010, 04:53:26 PM
Monmouth has a 22 yard FG to win it 16-13. Carroll and Monmouth are now 5-3.

So what kind of mess are we looking at if IC can't comeback and Lawrence pulls off a miracle win against SNC next week?

I think Lawrence plays Ripon...

SNC hosts Lake Forest

Looks like you're right. Still will take a miracle for St. Norbert to be beaten.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 05:06:32 PM
FINAL
Illinois College 29
Grinnell 42

Yeah! And thanks, Pios  :)

Congrats to Grinnell on first winning season since 2003.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 05:07:14 PM
Congrats Grinnell!  42-29.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 05:14:22 PM
Does SNC indeed control its own destiny?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 05:41:01 PM
Sit down everyone........... Lawrence 29 Beloit 23.

Sloppy game on both sides as there were more penalties than plays from scrimmage I think. The Lawrence defense was tremendous all game and I congratulate them.

Beloits CJ Yoakum left the field under his own power but was later taken away by ambulance. I hope all will be well with him.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 05:14:22 PM
Does SNC indeed control its own destiny?

I believe they have just clinched.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 05:48:45 PM
Clinched? What if SNC loses and IC wins? They could end tied but IC would win head to head, right?

I think, but am not sure, that a SNC is enough w/o help. But a loss would open the door ... ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 05:52:22 PM
IC lost today
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 05:52:22 PM
IC lost today
I know, I mean next week...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
Final
Knox 6
Lake Forest 35
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 05:58:45 PM
IC is @Beloit next week so they can't possibly win.

LWLWLWLWL has been the story of the Beloit season. Next in line is a W.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2010, 06:01:51 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 05:58:45 PM
IC is @Beloit next week so they can't possibly win.

LWLWLWLWL has been the story of the Beloit season. Next in line is a W.

Well, good.

While I appreciate the confidence in SNC's ability to beat LFC, you still have to play the games. Iowa's up 37-0, so anything can happen...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 06:06:54 PM
It's a win and you're in thing for the Green Knights right now. Kind of a make up for last years snubbing by the NCAA.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 30, 2010, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 05:58:45 PM
IC is @Beloit next week so they can't possibly win.

LWLWLWLWL has been the story of the Beloit season. Next in line is a W.

You can use numerology if you want, but I have tea leaves and a Ouija board that beg to differ... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2010, 06:28:17 PM
Beg all they want but I have both as well.

Americas Team 38, Chosen Ones 14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 31, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
I don't think the Rams liked their new friends at the IIAC playground, so now they want to take their ball and go home.

As it comes to football, I'm not exactly sure what Cornell thinks it will gain by returning to the MWC.  My experience watching Wartburg play Monmouth and St. Norberts over the last few years is that the upper level MWC teams are similar to Wartburg, Central, Coe etc.  So the Rams get their butts kicked in the IIAC or the MWC; what's the difference?

In basketball Cornell has done well the last couple years and in wrestling they've been respectable for quite a long time.  

Apparently, even in D3, football is the straw that stirs the drink.  I'm convinced Cornell didn't make a total committment to get better in football while residing in the IIAC.  If they think their approach will work by moving back to the MWC, I'm affraid they will be mistaken (at least when playing the upper tier teams)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 31, 2010, 03:26:09 AM
Quote from: warthog on October 31, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
I don't think the Rams liked their new friends at the IIAC playground, so now they want to take their ball and go home.

As it comes to football, I'm not exactly sure what Cornell thinks it will gain by returning to the MWC.  My experience watching Wartburg play Monmouth and St. Norberts over the last few years is that the upper level MWC teams are similar to Wartburg, Central, Coe etc.  So the Rams get their butts kicked in the IIAC or the MWC; what's the difference?

In basketball Cornell has done well the last couple years and in wrestling they've been respectable for quite a long time.  

Apparently, even in D3, football is the straw that stirs the drink.  I'm convinced Cornell didn't make a total committment to get better in football while residing in the IIAC.  If they think their approach will work by moving back to the MWC, I'm affraid they will be mistaken (at least when playing the upper tier teams)



I didn't think of this but what is Cornell planning to do with their wrestling team? Wrestling was a sport in the MWC when Cornell and Coe left in 1997 but not anymore. I highly doubt the IIAC would allow them to keep their wrestling team in the conference nor do I blame them. And Cornell just can't get rid of wrestling. As an Iowa school that is sacrireligious (although Grinnell is in Iowa and doesn't have wrestling).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2010, 06:55:46 AM
Prior to dropping their wrestling program Lawrence competed in the WIAC. It would certainly be an oddity to have an Iowa team in there but I don't think there is anything, bylaw-wise, that would prevent the WIAC from accepting them.

Cornells problem is the fact that they never should have left in the first place. Sure, they were a football power at the time but this isn't your fathers MWC anymore. If they are looking for immediate success perhaps they should knock on the NathCons door.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 31, 2010, 07:32:20 AM
This just in!  The Texas Longhorns have inquired as to the MWC's interest in having them join and forming a 12 team "Super Conference".  MWC officials are considering it, but are not certain the move would raise the conference's competitive posture.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2010, 07:52:58 AM
A formal application for membership can only happen at the spring meeting in Beloit. Some time in April I believe. Applicants must submit a PROPER chili, so I don't think the Horns would have much of a chance. Competitively I don't think the Horns have much of a chance either.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2010, 08:05:50 AM
North Division:
St. Norbert
Lawrence
Ripon
Carroll
Beloit
Lake Forest

South Division
Knox
Monmouth
Grinnell
Illinois College
Cornell
University of Texas
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 31, 2010, 08:09:11 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 31, 2010, 07:52:58 AM
A formal application for membership can only happen at the spring meeting in Beloit. Some time in April I believe. Applicants must submit a PROPER chili, so I don't think the Horns would have much of a chance. Competitively I don't think the Horns have much of a chance either.  ;D
I may be the "Luke" to your "Obiwan" when it comes to D3 football & MWC knowledge, but know this, Grasshopper, you are far from taking the pebble from my hand when it comes to chili...  Kidney beans???  Are you kidding me???  There are just some places you just shouldn't go... ;D

Yesterday was a painful day as the football Gods appeared to be making pee-pee on my leg! :'(

Oh, hey, I just saw your post before I posted mine.  Less one minor exception (IC should be on top), I believe you have even stumbled upon the correct order of finish.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2010, 08:18:52 AM
No order of finish was implied. Beloit would keep Illinois College as a rivalry game and probably adopt UT as the same. I'm just not sure if Darrell K. Royal meets the MWC standards.

Maybe UT could play their MWC games at AT&T stadium ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 31, 2010, 08:53:16 AM
DKR!  No need for all that.  If the Horns keep playing the way they have, they could move to the soccer field where the cheers/boos from the few remaining fans would reverberate throught the empty aluminum bleachers... 

Glad we had "Chili Talk" this morning.  You reminded me that I am making red beans and rice this evening and I forgot to soak my beans last night.  Got them soaking just in time...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2010, 09:38:10 AM
Wild rice is the same way. Despite her whiteness mom makes a mean wild rice. Hung around with too many Indians I guess, which is why I was created, but if there is butter and salt around wild rice is the best thing ever. Real wild rice, not that pilaf crap that has a grain here and there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
Hey, blu, did you see about the Texas hs game Friday night/Saturday morning that went TWELVE OTs?!  Jacksonville finally downed Nacodoches, 84-81 in what is believed to be the longest game ever played at any level. :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 31, 2010, 03:41:07 PM
All I can say is when the planets are aligned just so......and the Northern Lights are red.......and Wisconsin State Police are leaving FIBs alone on the highways.........and the moon is in the 7th house........ ;D  :D

First off, SNC played out of their minds. Talk about purpose. Nothing at all against Ripon. They marched the ball very well the first half. If anything can give you an indication of the battle, neither team had a punt!!!   :o

But to find out that both IC and Carroll lose, how can that be. For our conference to go from a 4-way tie for first to a 5-way tie for second is absolutely crazy.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2010, 03:54:35 PM
Win and you're in Dad. Just represent the conference well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on October 31, 2010, 04:09:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
Hey, blu, did you see about the Texas hs game Friday night/Saturday morning that went TWELVE OTs?!  Jacksonville finally downed Nacodoches, 84-81 in what is believed to be the longest game ever played at any level. :o
Hadn't heard about it.  That's 4A ball.  I don't have the 4A package on my dish...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on October 31, 2010, 04:09:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 12:10:03 PM
Hey, blu, did you see about the Texas hs game Friday night/Saturday morning that went TWELVE OTs?!  Jacksonville finally downed Nacodoches, 84-81 in what is believed to be the longest game ever played at any level. :o
Hadn't heard about it.  That's 4A ball.  I don't have the 4A package on my dish...

Man, that's Texas for ya!  They've got a TV package for each division of hs fb! :o ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on October 31, 2010, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on October 31, 2010, 03:41:07 PM
All I can say is when the planets are aligned just so......and the Northern Lights are red.......and Wisconsin State Police are leaving FIBs alone on the highways.........and the moon is in the 7th house........ ;D  :D

First off, SNC played out of their minds. Talk about purpose. Nothing at all against Ripon. They marched the ball very well the first half. If anything can give you an indication of the battle, neither team had a punt!!!   :o

But to find out that both IC and Carroll lose, how can that be. For our conference to go from a 4-way tie for first to a 5-way tie for second is absolutely crazy.

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
SNC played a great game yesterday, they've got some good athletes on offense especially.  Going in to the game I had a feeling that whatever defense could contain the other teams offense would win, and Ripon could not stop the SNC offense.  On third downs (which felt like they never happened for SNC) there was little doubt that they wouldn't convert.  The first half was exciting, and then SNC dominated the big play battle in the second half and robbed all momentum Ripon may have had.  Good luck to the Green Knights the rest of the way.  I would say playoffs but this has been an out-of-the-ordinary year.

Now its Larry Week............
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 31, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
Thanks, 09 for the kind comments. The only SNC game I have missed in 4 years was the game played at Ripon 2 years ago. So I was glad to visit your field. Weather could not have been better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 12:31:56 AM
If Larry brings the D as they did against Beloit, Ripon may be in for a long day. They could be a team to look out for next year. 8 way tie at 4-5 I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2010, 09:57:31 AM
Has this been one of the wildest MWC football seasons in memory, or what?  Normally, I'm most comfortable with the (real) Good Guys in seek-and-destroy mode, and I'm sure they'll be back there very shortly.  But it has been fun seeing about 3 games on the schedule each week with serious implications.  Unless this becomes the wildest season ever (any league, any division) and SNC snubs their toe, good luck to the Green Knights in the playoffs.  We'll be rooting for you.  In the meantime, I'm starting to get a craving for some Turkey.....   :)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 01, 2010, 11:06:48 AM
Hey if the Warthogs can stay undefeated, and UWW gets moved how about the possibility the Norbs get a crack at Wartburg instead of a rematch with St. Thomas? Although Wartburg would be favored I give them a realistic shot at an upset. Don't know how likely this would be though. Hey Blu gotta to give you credit as well for a good call on IC's season, although not as good as my call of your Longhorns headed for the Papa John's bowl. Also looking forwards to Knox on the rise's prediction for the Turkey Bowl. I really like Knox in this one....................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 01, 2010, 11:40:26 AM
What a weekend!!  Congrats to St. Norb....ahh...can't go there.  Who knows what can happen in week 10.  So what if Norby loses?  Does that mean with three losses, then it goes to quarters.  If thats the case, then does ripon get in?  Norbert gets in with a win, but what if they lose....who still has a shot?  What is the quarter total going into week 10?

Great Monmouth game.  Good to see the kicker get to redeem himself after missing the extra point.  Monmouth stole that game.  I don't think they had a first down in the first half besides getting a few penalties.  Monmouth should have been getting the ball deeper downfield.  Carroll's safeties were only about 6 yards off LOS.  We never challenged them deep once.  A three step drop and bomb would have paid off at least once or twice.  Might have opened up the running game a little more.

Anyway...great game to see.  Probably one the the only games I can say that punting is what won us the game.  Shank by them and a pin deep by us was the difference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 02:46:59 PM
St. Norbert and Illinois College are the only two remaining in the fight. I can see Lake Forest pulling the upset on St. Norbert but Illinois College travels to Americas Team. Bad news if you are a Blue Boy fan.

Don't give the NCAA too many ideas but it wouldn't surprise me to see St. Norbert vs. a CCIW team in the first round. I don't think they will move UWW this year but SNC is a good fit in the north.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on November 01, 2010, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 01, 2010, 11:40:26 AM
What a weekend!!  Congrats to St. Norb....ahh...can't go there.  Who knows what can happen in week 10.  So what if Norby loses?  Does that mean with three losses, then it goes to quarters.  If thats the case, then does ripon get in?  Norbert gets in with a win, but what if they lose....who still has a shot?  What is the quarter total going into week 10?
Well if Norby loses they maximum amount of 6-3 teams is 5. Which of them gets in? I don't know im not gonna go back and look at the head to head schedules. Of course Monmouth will lose so that will knock it down to 4 teams. Lawrence will upset Ripon as well, down to 3. IC will beat Beloit so they are a lock the winner of the Carroll-Grinnell game is a lock and Norby losing would be a lock (even though they probably won't) So it would be between Norby, IC, and either Carroll or Grinnell. Tiebreaker is ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on November 01, 2010, 04:17:01 PM
I forgot to mention this. Somehow between Lawrence us and Lake Forest we are in last but we were the only 1s that beat decent team. Weird. All well another last place finish for us Prairie Fire. Time to get the turkey roasting though!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 04:24:01 PM
IC is the only team that holds a tie breaker over SNC. However, they are @Beloit this week so it won't matter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 01, 2010, 04:55:00 PM
In case of a 4 or 5 way tie, I suggest you'd have to go with eliminating teams by their most recent lost to Knox.  Now I know you'd have to go back a few decades but it's as good of one as I know.  Seriously though, from what I have seen St. Norberts is the best team in the conference maybe not entirely by talent, but combined with experience. Their offensive line was best or a close second to Carroll's and their defensive line very good.  Their losses have been close, and many of their wins have been big. I am not basing this on the Monmouth game either, because despite the officiating , SNC would not likely win by that much if they played a 100 more times. If they played Saturday I think they'd be about a 10 pt favorite. Take away the Grinnell game and actually the Scots would be right there, and say what you want with Tanney MC loses 1 in conference at the most. Normally its hard to argue that when you lose 48-2 but I doubt that Tanney would have thrown two picks in the redzone in the first half, and three pick 6's in the .  Regardless I am one who thinks that if St. Norberts plays anyone but UWW or ST they will give their opponent a game and that includes a North Central or Wheaton.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 01, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
Here is the tiebreaking information I have compiled. I'm working out the senarios right now. Feel free to figure out this for yourself:

St. Norbert 23 quarters led; beat CU, GC, MC, RC; lost to IC
Ripon 21 quarters led; beat CU, GC; lost to IC, MC, SNC
Carroll 20 quarters led; beat IC; lost to MC, RC, SNC
Grinnell 16 quarters led; beat IC, MC; lost to RC, SNC
Illinois College 14 quarters led; beat RC, SNC; lost to CU, GC, MC
Monmouth 14 quarters led; beat CU, IC, RC; lost to GC, SNC


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
Illinois College plays @Beloit this week. So any fantasies of possible ties are fool hardy at best.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 01, 2010, 07:56:03 PM
I think I have it. All of that work and there really are only three senarios and only two teams can make the playoffs.

ST. NORBERT makes the playoffs with:
a) a win
b) any senario that isn't what Carroll needs.

CARROLL makes the playoffs with:
c) a win,
    a SNC loss,
    an IC win,
    a RC loss,
    a MC loss,
    lead 4 all 4 quarters vs. GC AND
    SNC doesn't lead a single quarter vs. LFC

ILLINOIS COLLEGE can't make the playoffs because they can't make up the quarters led difference with SNC if they were to make it to the second tie breaker. The CU senario is one senario that IC would lose out on. If there would be a 4 way tie with Illinois College, SNC, RC, and CU/GC Illinois College and SNC would have 2-1 records in that senario and the quarters led would bump IC out.

MONMOUTH can't make the playoffs. They will lose the head to head tie breaker in any situation where GC wins. To just get to the second tie breaker they need a win, a SNC loss, an IC win, a CU win. The RC game is irrelevant. They can't catch either RC or SNC in the number of quarters led.

RIPON can't make the playoffs because SNC has a win head to head with every team in contention except IC. Therefore a team would need a three way or more tie to top SNC. But since IC and SNC beat Ripon the Red Hakws couldn't have a good enough head to head record with the tied teams.

GRINNELL can't make the playoffs due to a lack of quarters led. They are hurt like CU is by a lack of wins against the top teams. Amazingly they are being punished for not being upset by a lesser team. They need the same senario as CU has listed to get to the second tiebreaker. Since they only have 16 quarters led to 23 by SNC they can't end up in first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
Me thinks somebody has too much time on their hands. If St. Norbert wins they are in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 01, 2010, 08:14:19 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
Me thinks somebody has too much time on their hands. If St. Norbert wins they are in.

Going to a Catholic university for grad school has its benefits. I have off tonight because of All Saints Day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2010, 08:26:56 PM
I think if SNC wins we will be cannon fodder for UW Whitewater.

* SNC didn't play well in the loss to St. Thomas.

* We have 3 losses overall

* We have 2 conference losses. An MWC fan will take it as a sign the conference is getting better top-to-bottom and is more competitive (Hey, look, even Lawrence won 2 games!). Outside the conference, this will likely be viewed as SNC had a down year in a traditionally bad conference. That lowers the stock of SNC - or any other MWC team if we lose - when considered nationally.

I don't profess to know the ins and outs of aligning bids regionally. But this season won't help the conference's reputation nationally. Instead of trying to place a dominant 10-0 or 9-1 team, the committee is looking at slightly-better-than-the-rest 7-3 team. Therefore, a short ride down I43 is in the offing, I think.

It's (hopefully) another championship banner - 13 in 26 years - but I think the odds will be stacked against SNC in the first round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
Lots of teams can still get a share of the MWC title but only St. Norbert and Illinois College are in the running for a playoff berth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 01, 2010, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
Lots of teams can still get a share of the MWC title but only St. Norbert and Illinois College are in the running for a playoff berth.

IC can't tie just SNC because someone has to win the GC-CU game creating a three way tie and causing them to go to conference quarters led which would give SNC the playoff spot unless Carroll can lead all day and SNC doesn't lead at all. And of Ripon and/or Monmouth were to win Carroll would be out before the second tie breaker.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 01, 2010, 08:46:57 PM
To all with the best wishes IF SNC WINS SATURDAY, I thank you. And believe me, the way the MWC has been this year, I am not taking anything for granted. GBPUCKFAN, come on. Have some faith. If SNC should get the bid there are a lot of possibilities. Maybe even a home game!   (well, home for me)   ;D

Right now all I care about is a conference championship that is not shared. Sorry if that sounds selfish but that is what I hope we can do. For the first time in a number of weeks we control our own destiny.

And it is unfortunate that others outside of the conference will say it was a down year for the better teams in the MWC. We will say it was an up year with more equality. None of that matters this week.

So the big questions still need to be answered:

Illinois College at Beloit
Grinnell at Carroll
Monmouth at Knox
Ripon at Lawrence
Lake Forwst at St. Norbert

Pick your winners.... Pick your Game of the Week..... Pick your upset


But never look past this Saturday. In the MWC that is very dangerous.   :P


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2010, 08:55:44 PM
blu can't make the trip to Beloit so I'm resigned to making the Turkey Bowl the GOTW.

When is the last time a team beat Monmouth and St. Norbert and didn't make the playoffs ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2010, 09:46:12 PM
43% chance of a ScottieSightingtm on Saturday for the GOTW.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2010, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 01, 2010, 08:46:57 PM
To all with the best wishes IF SNC WINS SATURDAY, I thank you. And believe me, the way the MWC has been this year, I am not taking anything for granted. GBPUCKFAN, come on. Have some faith. If SNC should get the bid there are a lot of possibilities. Maybe even a home game!   (well, home for me) 

Ok, Ok ... I am fairly confident SNC will beat Lake Forest. Not trying to jinx anything, but the way the offense has played the last month, I am feeling good about that.

Perhaps the others are right about the regional breakdown and SNC will avoid UWW or a MIAC team. SNC can certainly play better than they did against the Tommies and maybe a rematch would be advantageous - even if there's a road trip.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 02, 2010, 08:36:15 AM
I'm still kinda the new guy here, so my opinion should be weighed accordingly.  I am getting the general impression, from many of the posts, that it almost doesn't matter who wins the MWC.  It's a foregone "One & done".  I am not so naïve that I don't get that we're considered overmatched in the first round.  But there is a reason they play the game.  This missive isn't about  "Hey!  We have a chance!".  My thrust here is directed, not so much in raising the national impression of the MWC, but to celebrate and promote the increased level of competition and overall play of the teams within it.  It's an iron sharpens iron kinda thing...  Now, how do we keep it going?  To me, and not meaning any criticism toward any of the insights shared previously, all the talk about the "committee's perception" is missing the point.  If, week in/week out, we face tougher in-conference competition, our teams become better competition outside the conference.  Over time, we will be less concerned with our placement (who we play and where), and simply better prepared to play, and ultimately beat, whomever we face.  It would appear, perhaps from my limited historical perspective, that we are seeing that increase in the level of play and competition within the conference.  And that's all we should care about. 

The improved level of play and competition brings better players into the conference.  Obviously with that, comes a higher level of play and the reoccurring cycle for improvement.  With tighter, longer lasting, conference races, comes more interest in the conference.  We'll never be well served by a conference with an undefeated Gulliver and a cast of Lilliputians.  It brings greater respect for the conference and it's winner.  Have I drank too much of the Kool-Aide, here?  Perhaps.  (For the record, the Kool-Aide is Blue.)  What we (the conference and fans) need to do is place the burden on our lower tier programs to commit the resources to, and raise the performance expectation of, their football programs.  Oh, and my omission of the other athletic programs was not an accident.  We all know that football pays the freight . 

So C'mon Larry, Knox and LF... Step it up!  Meantime, SNC, don't concede anything.  Wherever you go, and whoever you play, go kick some a$$!  If you do manage to pull off a "miracle", it will be the perfect springboard for everything laid out above.  If not, celebrate your perseverance, accomplishment, and a well deserved MWC Championship.  Meantime, everyone needs to get ready for IC's march to next year's MWC championship.  Where we'll finally be sending a man in to do a man's job! ;D 

It's been a fun year.  This board has made my first season in the MWC more than I could have ever anticipated. :'(  Good luck SNC!  Hopefully, all your players are wearing their "WWICD" bracelets.  Roop, sorry I can't make it this weekend.  I love ya' man, but even being there to see your face when the Blueboy Nation plants their flag on the 50 at Strong Field, ain't worth $734.00... ;) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 08:59:44 AM
It's not worth $734 to see them get beat like they owe me money; I'll say that.

As you learn more about DIII football you will realize how brutal the region is. Historically the MWC has not been been up to par but the bar is pretty high in these parts. It happens in that other sport, basketball, too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 02, 2010, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 08:59:44 AM
As you learn more about DIII football you will realize how brutal the region is. Historically the MWC has not been been up to par but the bar is pretty high in these parts. It happens in that other sport, basketball, too.
Agreed.  Three points:  1) Knowing what I am talking about has never been a requirement for me to speak on a subject.  ;D  2) None of what you said takes away from my central point. 3) Other sport?  Basketball?  Huh?  Perhaps you can help me with that whole "If a tree falls in the forest, and no one's around" dilema? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 10:09:01 AM
Basketball is played with dice and horseshoes. You roll the dice and simultaneously throw a shoe. The object of the game is to cause an odd roll of the dice by having the shoe strike them. Can be in mid air but grounded is preferred.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
Another variant involves hand grenades but the BATF frowns upon me discussing it online.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 02, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
Another variant involves hand grenades but the BATF frowns upon me discussing it online.


Sir, you really should have your own blog.  You are such a great resource on so many things.  Crappy rib recipes in crock pots, chili with noodles and kidney beans, all things cheese, and now, hybrid sports.  Where do you find the time? 

Hey, I've got this reoccurring itch on my...  Nevermind, this really probably isn't the place for that... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 02, 2010, 12:34:22 PM
DIII Fan Poll (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.135) is now available.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 12:41:41 PM
Actually I do have my own blog. Damned if I can remember the log in though as it has been a while. Roopsville.blogspot.com Most of the material is dated but is still funny as all get out. Socialized (1AA) football and Bigfoot have been discussed. Some of the posts may look unusual as I had to remove some pics to clear out my flickr account at one time. Can't remember that log in either.

Guess the short term memory issues of hepatic encephalopathy are real. Quit testing me for cancer I say. I don't have cirrhosis or hepatitis so maybe my anemia is causing it. How about working on that one for crying out loud. I don't dislike the medical community but cancer is the fashionable diagnosis these days; just as AIDS was 10 years ago.

Spare ribs in a crock pot with saurkraut is not crappy sir. I challenge you to a duel. Ice fishing at 20 paces. 1st crappie wins. (You might call them white perch in TX)

PS. The itch will go away in time but that's what you get for staying in Joliet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 02, 2010, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 12:41:41 PM
Ice fishing at 20 paces. 

PS. The itch will go away in time but that's what you get for staying in Joliet.

Ice fishing?  Why fish for it?  My freezer makes it automatically.  I have plenty...

As for the itch, you may be on to something...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 01:43:21 PM
Southern folk..........................

Can't make good ribs or chili and are obviously clueless about ice fishing.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 02, 2010, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 01:43:21 PM
Southern folk..........................

Can't make good ribs or chili and are obviously clueless about ice fishing.  ;)

You got 1 of 3 correct.  Congratulations!  You've been accepted to Beloit College. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 02, 2010, 04:43:42 PM
Roop- down south they call Bluegills -Brim or Bream- and they call crappie-crappy but lets not confuse Blu because they call his chili that too!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 02, 2010, 05:14:01 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 02, 2010, 04:43:42 PM
Roop- down south they call Bluegills -Brim or Bream- and they call crappie-crappy but lets not confuse Blu because they call his chili that too!

Way earlier in our dialog I mistakenly suggested there were places you didn't want to go.  That I am now suggesting chili is such a place, would not be a mistake. ;) 

No concern about Crappie, Bluegills, Sunfish, and Brim. Heck, add to that; Nutria, Mudbugs, Gator, Possum, (sorry, no Armadillo's (they're just nasty :P)), and Rattlesnake.  They all make for great gumbo. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 07:05:51 PM
Next thing you know blu will be calling pumpkinseeds calico bass and say that Javelina tastes like pork if cooked properly. Regardless of cooking method, Javelina is still Javelina.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 07:21:01 PM
So that Google doesn't get overloaded. A Nutria is a Blue Boy south of the Mason Dixon line.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 07:21:01 PM
So that Google doesn't get overloaded. A Nutria is a Blue Boy south of the Mason Dixon line.  ;)

Or an armadillo who forgot his body armor. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 07:35:54 PM
No. I have more respect for armadillos than nutria.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 02, 2010, 07:53:58 PM
Now that blu is online. Will Illinois College throw in the towel before or after they ask Beloit for autographs ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 03, 2010, 07:35:55 AM
Where to begin? ???

Armadillo is possum on the half shell. 

Me thinks Roop is not disclosing all his knowledge of javelina.  Particularly his romantic interests. Wasn't he stationed in Texas at one time?

Autographs from Beloit players?  Who knew they could write?  I think for safety's sake, they should stick to their customary crayons. 

Best of luck Friday, my friend.  For Saturday will be a day of great disappointment!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 09:56:40 AM
Up to you
inconclusive
so, no and no
conjecture
thanks and NOT
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 03, 2010, 12:54:31 PM
I have no idea what is going on here anymore  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 01:04:11 PM
As crazy as it sounds. blu thinks IC actually has a chance of winning at Beloit. I know........... He must have fallen and hit his head again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 03, 2010, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 01:04:11 PM
As crazy as it sounds. blu thinks IC actually has a chance of winning at Beloit. I know........... He must have fallen and hit his head again.

Crazy me.  You'll also see that I picked IC over Ripon and SNC. 

Roop, there is considerable evidence on this board lending itself to the conclusion that there remains, in you, the residual effects of earlier blows to the head.  I've already publicly acknowledged other earlier life experiences and influences that explain where I'm coming from... ;D

IC 38
Beloit 17

There, it's out there!


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 03, 2010, 02:17:44 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 03, 2010, 12:54:31 PM
I have no idea what is going on here anymore  ???

What's happening here is that Roop and I are filling the gaps left when those front-running, bandwagon riding, fair-weather MC & RC fans vinished like a puff of smoke (when their teams fell out of contention). ;D  The real fans remain! ;) Admittedly, we have turned to topics like chocolate chip cookie recipes and the best ways to get grass stains out of blue jeans, but we're here. ;D

Y'all put some meat on the table and I'll draw up a chair...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 02:32:24 PM
7-3 Beloit. Last second touchdown. (63-61 is more likely)

While it's probable that I suffered a concussion at age 9, mom grew up on a farm so if you didn't sever a limb you weren't allowed to go to the hospital. Profuse head bleeding occurred at age 11 but all limbs were still intact so I went untreated; again.

I would love to see somebody other than St. Norbert or Monmouth make the playoffs but I'm having a hard time rooting for IC this Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 02:53:49 PM
Maybe in Fantasyland the Chosen Ones could beat Americas Team but the game is at Strong Stadium. Nutria have no chance there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 03, 2010, 03:18:00 PM
Dude- the further out you go, the futher the swim back.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 03, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
I'm still here reading this nonsense ;D  I am sitting back right now looking at were Ripon went wrong.  To be completely honest, the RC vs SNC game should never have mattered, RC should not have lost to MC or IC.  I understand the score board says different, but if you give the actually information of the game to an outsider, keep the score hidden, anyone will tell you that Ripon put up enough yards, clock management, and points to come out the winner.  Now the points argument obviously is what matters, but it's tough to look back at those two games and see the L's.  SNC just out played Ripon in every aspect of the second half.  So with that being said I wish IC the best of luck this week, sorry Roop, but I would rather see IC go to the play-offs then SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2010, 03:59:07 PM
I am still around here as well...just sitting back, reading the pages, and laughing through them. :D  Definitely some interesting things covered on the message boards late in the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on November 03, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
IC @ Beloit--------------------------------------IC 35-32
Ripon @ Lawrence----------------------------Lawrence 14-7
Lake Forest @ St. Norbert-------------------SNC 65-7

Co-Games of the Week
Grinnell @ Carroll------------------------------Carroll 42-37
Monmouth @ Knox-----------------------------Knox 21-20(monmouth goes for the win on 2pt conversion and fails)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 03, 2010, 04:40:07 PM
Sorry Redhawk but I respectfully disagree.  The MC/Ripon game should have never went to OT. MC dominated the game for 50 of the 60 minutes. Ripon made ground in the last 5 minutes of each half. If not for a questionable personal foul call that gave the redmen a first down after failing to convert and a fumble that MC inside the ten, this could have been a  17pt win for MC. I know RC had their shares of miscues  that you could argue changed the game but c'mon what game were you watching? You were losing by 10 with six minutes to go and lucky at that and you should have won? Oh ya how many missed extra points did MC have that game? Was it a game you could have won sure-especially in OT but should have-no way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 03, 2010, 03:18:00 PM
Dude- the further out you go, the futher the swim back.  ;D

You make a good point but the lake isn't that deep. The limit of Beloit getting upset at home has been reached. Not enough Nutria in the world to stop the inevitable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 03, 2010, 06:16:48 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 03, 2010, 04:40:07 PM
Sorry Redhawk but I respectfully disagree.  The MC/Ripon game should have never went to OT. MC dominated the game for 50 of the 60 minutes. Ripon made ground in the last 5 minutes of each half. If not for a questionable personal foul call that gave the redmen a first down after failing to convert and a fumble that MC inside the ten, this could have been a  17pt win for MC. I know RC had their shares of miscues  that you could argue changed the game but c'mon what game were you watching? You were losing by 10 with six minutes to go and lucky at that and you should have won? Oh ya how many missed extra points did MC have that game? Was it a game you could have won sure-especially in OT but should have-no way.

I have to respectfully disagree. I did watch the game. MC couldn't stop RC's offense in the first half, but Ripon managed to fumble away 2 of (I think) their first 3 possessions. RC shot themselves in the foot all game and MC had some big breaks that included batted balls that were caught on third down, etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 03, 2010, 09:48:04 PM
wOW. has THIS BOARD GONE DOWNHILL OR WHAT?  :-\

The best thing stated was that all the fair weather fans have left the building.

We have recipes being passed. A zoo being stocked with exotic creatures.

We have sexual accusations.

We have a pick that Knox will beat Monmouth.

We even have someone stating that SNC totally dominated Ripon in all aspects of the game and proved that they were the better team. So what is their next statement? I am not going to root for the team that proved they were better than my team to represent our conference in the play-offs.

As the beer commercial says..... BRILLIANT!

Oh, and then the idea that a defense is still not any good even though they forced 2 fumbles in 3 possessions against Ripon.

Again....BRILLIANT!

And I really can't forget the game that should not have mattered since they should not have already lost a game. Come On. And none of the other teams should have lost to certain other teams.

Now I am waiting for the statement that Monmouth should really be awarded the conference championship even though they lost a tremendous player the 2nd game of the season. The rest of the losses should not have mattered.

Let's get back to recipes for chili or eggs Benedict or some useful chatter like that.

And the only thing I have left to say is concerning my own dribble of a post...... BRILLIANT!    ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 11:37:50 PM
Sexual accusations. When did that happen ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 04, 2010, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 03, 2010, 11:37:50 PM
Sexual accusations. When did that happen ??

Not here, man! I only alleged "romantic interest"...  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 09:02:34 AM
I have a romantic interest in Jennifer Love-Hewitt (nice TX girl) but have never posted about it. Oh, guess I just did................ My bad for corrupting the board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 09:14:08 AM
FYI blu. Cell phones don't always work at Strong Stadium, titanium dome and all, so I may not be able to call you with updates of ICs thrashing by the Bucs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 04, 2010, 09:19:17 AM
GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 09:20:45 AM
Go Foresters
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 04, 2010, 10:21:59 AM
Wow...SNCOLDAD, you took the words right out of my mouth.  I am currently putting in a petition to the NCAA for and automatic bid for Monmouth due to their loss of the starting quarterback.  I think I have a good shot.

TM and Redhawk....come on.  Monmouth won that game.  The game is about capitalizing on mistakes and Monmouth forced two fumbles in the first half.  Most of your yardage came on the last drive of the first half and the last two drives of the regulation when Monmouth was playing a soft defense to avoid the big play.  Monmouth scores 50+ points in that game so don't act like we stole it from you.  It should have been over at regulation.  You had a good run at the beginning of the season and then you had to play 3 good teams in MC, SNC and IC.  Good games, good opponents and you lost. 

If you want to play that "what if" game, then I claim that if Monmouth had their quarterback, their entire recieving crew, all of their starting line weren't hurt in some way, didn't have last years team graduate and were coached by Vince Lombardi, then they would have won every game by 100 points.


This "after the fact" crap gets annoying.  SNC is the best team in the end, then probably IC and then a pretty close race between MC, RC, GC and BC.  Good luck to SNC...hopefully the big boys at the NCAA smile down upon you when handing you your opponnent.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 04, 2010, 10:25:14 AM
Sorry...I forgot to include Carroll in that group of third place teams.  No offense intended.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 04, 2010, 12:06:28 PM
I just wanna say that my post to follow was written at about 7AM, but I got sidetracked helping someone in my office, so I didn't post it until now.  I say this so it doesn't look like I'm gravy-traning my esteemed colleague "Kilts".  Nice post my man!

Downhill??? ???  As one of the principal and obvious culprits your suggested decline, I just wanna say "Ouch!" :'( 

I guess we could have just left the board to those who want to engage in the forensic examinations of losses that should, or should not, have occurred. Or, your lone celebration of your beloved Green Knights' anticipated coronation, but there wasn't even enough of that happening. I know this: If IC was in your position, I'd be tough to take!!!  So, pick it up, Dude! ;D

Here's a few things I've learned since joining this board:

1) Ripon has never lost a game, they just fail to sieze the opportunities to win before their clock-chomping offence has time to rally.  Add to that the reoccurance of bad and untimely calls, and it's amazing they get any W's at all.  ;) 

2) MC should be awarded the MWC title regardless of their record. This, and every season!  There's nothing to debate, here.  It's wrong to not offer a mulligan to a former championship team who lost a significant portion of its O-line to graduation, and then their All-American QB to injury.  Anyone who wins this year is only a "stand-in".  I am even going to suggest that next year, with Tanney's return, MC should be awarded forfiets throughout conference play simply as a show of respect and conference solidarity.  After all, aren't they the team we all know will/should represent the conference each year? ;D

As for "I am not going to root for the team that proved they were better than my team to represent our conference in the play-offs.".  The point clearly being missed was the indication that he was actually pulling for the team that was/is better than yours.  At least on the day they met! ;D

But without the recipe exchanges, livestock, fish, and rodent discussion, this board would be dead with the foregone conclusion that SNC is our "stand-in" sacrificial lamb for 2010. 

Now, so as not to stray too far from this board's intended purpose, I have attached a link to a very tasty dish.  Red Beans & Rice.  (Roop, don't confuse red beans with kidney beans.)

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/red-beans-and-rice-recipe2/index.html

Other great recipes and specialty ingredients can be found at:

http://www.donsspecialtymeats.com/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 12:38:22 PM
Come on man. I know what red beans are. That comment hurt a little.

I don't care for whole mudbugs but throw them tails in some dirty rice and we are talking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 04, 2010, 12:53:28 PM
Not a fan of dirty rice.  Love boudain! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
Are we speaking Cajun now ?? I could go for some andouille.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 04, 2010, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 04, 2010, 10:21:59 AM
Wow...SNCOLDAD, you took the words right out of my mouth.  I am currently putting in a petition to the NCAA for and automatic bid for Monmouth due to their loss of the starting quarterback.  I think I have a good shot.

TM and Redhawk....come on.  Monmouth won that game.  The game is about capitalizing on mistakes and Monmouth forced two fumbles in the first half.  Most of your yardage came on the last drive of the first half and the last two drives of the regulation when Monmouth was playing a soft defense to avoid the big play.  Monmouth scores 50+ points in that game so don't act like we stole it from you.  It should have been over at regulation.  You had a good run at the beginning of the season and then you had to play 3 good teams in MC, SNC and IC.  Good games, good opponents and you lost.  

If you want to play that "what if" game, then I claim that if Monmouth had their quarterback, their entire recieving crew, all of their starting line weren't hurt in some way, didn't have last years team graduate and were coached by Vince Lombardi, then they would have won every game by 100 points.


This "after the fact" crap gets annoying.  SNC is the best team in the end, then probably IC and then a pretty close race between MC, RC, GC and BC.  Good luck to SNC...hopefully the big boys at the NCAA smile down upon you when handing you your opponnent.

Ripon managed to still have a 21-19 lead at halftime despite the two first half fumbles. MC did shut down RC's offense in the third quarter and the first half of the fourth, but they were already trailing and only managed two scores.

I didn't say that MC didn't win that game. I didn't say "what if" and wasn't looking at things in hindsight. I was responding to a post that said MC "dominated 50 of the 60 minutes" when that is not true. Read before posting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
Sounds like a good time to get the crying towels out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 04, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: tm343407 on November 04, 2010, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 04, 2010, 10:21:59 AM
Wow...SNCOLDAD, you took the words right out of my mouth.  I am currently putting in a petition to the NCAA for and automatic bid for Monmouth due to their loss of the starting quarterback.  I think I have a good shot.

TM and Redhawk....come on.  Monmouth won that game.  The game is about capitalizing on mistakes and Monmouth forced two fumbles in the first half.  Most of your yardage came on the last drive of the first half and the last two drives of the regulation when Monmouth was playing a soft defense to avoid the big play.  Monmouth scores 50+ points in that game so don't act like we stole it from you.  It should have been over at regulation.  You had a good run at the beginning of the season and then you had to play 3 good teams in MC, SNC and IC.  Good games, good opponents and you lost.  

If you want to play that "what if" game, then I claim that if Monmouth had their quarterback, their entire recieving crew, all of their starting line weren't hurt in some way, didn't have last years team graduate and were coached by Vince Lombardi, then they would have won every game by 100 points.


This "after the fact" crap gets annoying.  SNC is the best team in the end, then probably IC and then a pretty close race between MC, RC, GC and BC.  Good luck to SNC...hopefully the big boys at the NCAA smile down upon you when handing you your opponnent.

Ripon managed to still have a 21-19 lead at halftime despite the two first half fumbles. MC did shut down RC's offense in the third quarter and the first half of the fourth, but they were already trailing and only managed two scores.

I didn't say that MC didn't win that game. I didn't say "what if" and wasn't looking at things in hindsight. I was responding to a post that said MC "dominated 50 of the 60 minutes" when that is not true. Read before posting.

Girs! girls! Your both pretty!  Let's not forget our emoticons! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tm343407 on November 04, 2010, 02:21:33 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 04, 2010, 02:41:53 PM
I will now enjoy the banter that goes on here, I will stay away from any past game chatter and will cheer on whom ever ends up representing the MWC in the Play-offs.  When I cheered for IC was because they had beaten both RC and SNC...  Good Luck to everyone this weekend, I'll be away from the boards, traveling to watch Bucky take on the Boilermakers...  I'll check my phone for updates however. 

Is it possible to keep this board active in the off-season, or we going to shut it down for hoops season and return in August?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 04, 2010, 02:51:02 PM
That post really wasn't directed towards your post, TM, just at all the RC people say that RC should have won that game.

Stats from the MC/RC game

Time of possession in each quarter.  MC wins all but 2nd quarter.

Total yards  MC 458  RC 464  Pretty much even here. Except when the last drive of the RC 2nd quarter took 87 yards and the last two drives of the 4th quarter make up for 67 and 50 yards.  This is a total of 204 or your 464 yards.  Oh yeah...these were all instances when MC had the lead, was playing soft D and not trying to give up a big play.  Almost came back to get them in the end.

MC 25 1st downs to RC 28...pretty even
pass completion both at 50%
punts  MC-5  and RC-6
redzone  MC 6/6  RC 5/6

I agree that MC didn't dominate the game.  But they were the better team that day, and there is nothing in the stats that say that if you just looked at the stats, RC was the clear winner.  Dont just say that because you ran the ball for 361, that you clearly should have won.  We could say the same for monmouths dominant passing in that game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 04, 2010, 02:58:04 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on November 04, 2010, 02:41:53 PM
Is it possible to keep this board active in the off-season, or we going to shut it down for hoops season and return in August?

I'll be here.  I have lots of recipes and time to help Roop learn to cook rodent...  Like I was gonna shut it down???  What the heck else do I have to do. ???  We don't have ice fishing...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 04, 2010, 02:58:26 PM
Blu, I am glad to see someone finally realize that they should just lay down and let MC win the conference next year.  With Tanney back, the o-line with more experience and another all conference wide reciever back, monmouth is also petitioning to get into the BCS.  Its pretty much a forgone conclusion for the MWC championship...the question is, can we get UT on our schedule for some bowl consideration.  Sorry...low blow.  Blu, I think that for your sake, you want Alex Tanney to come back and play next year.  You have probably seen some good ones down in Texas, but this QB is something to watch.  Then, if you knock off the Scots, we don't have any excuses.

Is it bad when you feel like your treating this board as an instant messenger?  I need to take a break.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2010, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on November 03, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
Monmouth @ Knox-----------------------------Knox 21-20(monmouth goes for the win on 2pt conversion and fails)

At least you have a good sense of humor.   :D 

The ScottieSightingtm chances are down to about 27%.   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 04, 2010, 03:09:18 PM
My point was how can anyone say Ripon should have won the game??? I never said MC dominated Ripon the whole game- all 60 minutes count, but for 50 of those 60 MC had the upper hand. Stats were almost even and MC led most of the game and Ripon did score 24 points of their points in the last 5 minutes of each half.(14 in first-10) in 2nd I counted 6 punts for Ripon for 5 for MC. Ripon punted twice in the first quarter so they weren't moving the ball at will.  One of RC's punt returns was fumbled and they did fumble once after moving the ball. What were the stats before the last two RC drives? Point is you can't say Ripon blew this game or outplayed MC or somehow lost to an inferior team. While they could have won you can't count this one as a should have! As a MC fan, I could honesty see how Carroll could be saying this about their game with MC but no way for the Ripon game. They had to make a great comeback just to get it to overtime. This was just a great game between two evenly matched teams that could have went either way. Period!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
73% chance that nobody wants a scottie sighting. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 04, 2010, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on November 03, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
IC @ Beloit--------------------------------------IC 35-32

"Sense of humor", Scottie?  I think not! This guy's a D3 football handicapping savant. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 04:40:34 PM
IC wins. That's a joke
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2010, 05:35:32 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
73% chance that nobody wants a scottie sighting. LOL.

The Knox and Monmouth campuses are both about 55% female, so reasonable people might assume that about 45% of the attendees don't want a ScottieSightingtm.   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 06:22:59 PM
When did I ever claim to be reasonable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 04, 2010, 06:40:51 PM
Hey Blu you will never hear me make excuses about injuries.  MC is probably right where they deserve to be in the conference, they have been way too inconsistent to claim injuries caused this or otherwise. As far as next year we have somewhere between 28-30 reasons to be optimistic( kids who are returning that have at one time or another started) while I am sure you have your reasons for being optimistic. You claim IC is on the rise and will fear no one and will win blah-blah-blah, and I and others stick up for our team in the same way. No need to bow down before next year even begins. I think the real impact of this season is yet to hit the Scots.  Lets see how the upperclassmen respond to sitting during the playoffs this year. I expect it will just make MC tougher next year. I guess time will tell, anyway have an enjoyable off season-goodluck to your Horns in the Papa Johns bowl where maybe they will get a crack at Northwestern and make sure you have some of your crappy chili at the IC/MC game next year. Oh ya I forgot I lost that bet- hey as ridiculous as that bet was I'm glad you didn't take me up on the SNC game! I'd wish you good luck against Beloit but it won't matter-the fix is in. BC is so good they have controlled the score of every game. Its soon to be the biggest betting scandal in D3 Football history!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2010, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 04, 2010, 06:40:51 PM
BC is so good they have controlled the score of every game. Its soon to be the biggest betting scandal in D3 Football history!

Keep it quiet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 04, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
Hey Blu, tune in to the History Channel.....I mean ESPN, to watch a some good offensive football  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
I thought at first it was ESPN Classic. Then realized it was live. Then fell asleep.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 04:06:41 AM
I've talked to blu two days in a row and wow is he off his rocker.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 08:48:07 AM
Huh?  You never talked to me.  ???  Hit your head again?  Hey Pot, you should be cautious about calling the kettle, names...  ;) 

Good luck today, because tomorrow will be a sad one for America's Team. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 09:19:57 AM
Moncol-
If I only make one game next year, it'll be the MC game.  The chili will be so good you'll want to rub it in your hair.  ;D

This year provided me all the more reason to be optimistic about the next.  It's been a great season.  We beat some contenders and showed more improvement that I expected.  With Campbell's program heading into it's third season, and his recruits starting to get on the field, a quantum leap in results is expected next season.  I agree you should be optimistic about the next season as well.  But the optimism should be accompanied by preparation.  Preparation for a sad ride home from J-Ville, that is! ;D

I am hopeful you detected the toungue in my cheek in my comments regarding both MC and RC.  It was just funny reading the "well if" back and forthe on a game that is now in the books.  The only "well if" that matters is "Well, if the scoreboard showed more points for my team, then we'd have won." ;)  How many yards you gained in your last series before the half, or time of possession is of no consequence.  But what the heck, I make more inane arguements on this board by lunch time, than most make in a month (with the exception of Roop). ;)  I was just havin' fun.

As for my Horns, the Poppa John's sounds pretty good right now.  Our belief in our immunity to the "down year" appears pretty foolhardy.  Lord knows there's a long line of folks looking to get their shots in these days.  If our bowl match-up (not yet assured) were to be against Northwestern, all the better. I'd have a personal interest in that one...  Have you checked out, or heard of, Venric Mark, yet?  He's gonna be special.   


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 05, 2010, 09:25:16 AM
I LOVE IT!  That got things cooking.  ;)

I am already in the GB area. Very busy day yesterday then driving north. Finally got a chance to read the board. I am sitting here laughing my butt of. And believe me, I need to laugh some of my butt and belly off.  ;D

The way things went in this conference this year is quite amazing. And I don't think it is done. A 5 way tie for 2nd going into the last week? And though I appreciate some others confidence in the outcome for 1st place, I will not dare go there with the way this conference has been upside down this year.  ???  Hopeful? Yes.  :)

All I can say is whoever wins conference and represents the MWC, do not take them lightly. We know how to create upsets. That is one thing our conference has accomplished this year. :o

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 09:33:08 AM
Red-
So then I wake up.  The game is draggin on, but about over.  GT has amassed 340+ rushing, but is about to lose.  Like other option teams, who will go nameless, they are winning the statistical battles, but are not gonna win the game or their conference.  ;) 

Actually, I was freezin my arse off at a HS JV football game.  Both teams running wide-open multi-dimensional offense.  Great game!  Won by the good guys.  Star WR, Luke Stokes, caught 2 passes!  (Okay, one reception was a flag for PI, but it counts!) 

It appears I didn't miss anything... ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2010, 09:44:01 AM
If you had invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 09:54:57 AM
Americas Team will have to win one without me tomorrow. I have an interview this afternoon in New Roop City. I made it as far south as Stevens Point, got the call and did a quick u turn. No animals were harmed in my cell phone conversation while driving.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 05, 2010, 09:44:01 AM
If you had invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook!  :)

Invent Facebook!!!  Heck, I can't even get the photo I want attached to my post...  For the record, the photo is not supposed to be a red "X". ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 09:54:57 AM
Americas Team will have to win one without me tomorrow. I have an interview this afternoon in New Roop City. I made it as far south as Stevens Point, got the call and did a quick u turn. No animals were harmed in my cell phone conversation while driving.

If any animals were hurt, I believe we have the resources on this board to know how to prepare them...  ;D 

Good luck in the interview! (Even though I think it's a smoke screen to mask your fear of the game's outcome.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 10:02:09 AM
My cousin had me hooked up this weekend and her friend is a hottie. So the interview is not an excuse to miss ICs demise.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 10:02:09 AM
My cousin had me hooked up this weekend and her friend is a hottie. So the interview is not an excuse to miss ICs demise.

If inflatable, she does not qualify as a "hottie".  More like "ambient temperaturie". ;) Excuse not accepted!  (Especially after being called "chicken-$--t" for not wanting to spend $734 for a flight to see my kid for 1 hour...)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 10:27:14 AM
Dana has pulled a fast one on me before and the pic of her friend wasn't that clear. So you may be on to something.

$734 is a high price for getting a beat down so I don't blame you. MWCTV for all...............
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 05, 2010, 10:41:48 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 09:33:08 AM
Red-
So then I wake up.  The game is draggin on, but about over.  GT has amassed 340+ rushing, but is about to lose.  Like other option teams, who will go nameless, they are winning the statistical battles, but are not gonna win the game or their conference.  ;) 

I always thought wins and losses went by statisticts not by points  :-\ ??? :(    Ah, what if....... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 05, 2010, 10:47:01 AM
It was quite an exciting last 6:00 min of the game though.  IF GT's quarterback didnt go down in the first half maybe it wouldve been a different game.  Im just in a n IFfy mood with all of these IF bombs being dropped.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 10:50:52 AM
blu denies talking to me but has this notion of me calling him names. BOOM.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 10:50:52 AM
blu denies talking to me but has this notion of me calling him names. BOOM.

Oh!  That was YOU! The 70's still haunt me... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 11:22:01 AM
Well that was a waste of time. No interview, they just wanted a copy of my drivers license to do a background check. What part of no felonies didn't they understand on my application.

Sorry if I'm whiney folks but I gave up two other interviews for this nonsense today. It's getting a little old.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Beloit 68 IC 3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 05, 2010, 11:36:52 AM
Well Blu I'll try your chili but as far as rubbing it my hair thats not possible. But I will put some under my cap, and we'll see what happens.  Who knows we might be going into business together.  As far as tomorrow's games two point conversions play a big factor in them.  BC beats IC 36-35 after a supposedly botched snap on an extra point attempt turns into a decisive 2 pts. MC beats Knox 76-2. Knox gets on the board after MC extra point kicker comes out of the game with leg cramping from all the previous extra points and kickoffs. MC is forced to go for two and their 6th string tailback comes out of a scrum a bit disoriented and runs 98 yards the other way giving the Prairie Fire their first two points against the Scots in two games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 11:50:39 AM
68-3, 36-35, the over/under is still 71. RoopVegas says Beloit lays 5 and out of respect for blu there will be a $10,000 limit on wagers. PayPal is accepted but don't expect a dime if the house loses.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 05, 2010, 02:28:35 PM
Picks for Week 9:

Grinnell @ Carroll - CU
Illinois C. @ Beloit - BC
Ripon @ Lawrence - RC
Lake Forest @ St. Norbert - SNC
Monmouth @ Knox - MC (Game of the Week...because it's the Turkey Bowl)

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Keep the streak going! 

scottie - What are the percentages now that you will be around Galesburg tomorrow?  I hear fs13 will be in attendance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2010, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 05, 2010, 02:28:35 PM
Monmouth @ Knox - MC (Game of the Week...because it's the Turkey Bowl)

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D  Keep the streak going! 

scottie - What are the percentages now that you will be around Galesburg tomorrow?  I hear fs13 will be in attendance.

The prospects are looking up!  I just got off the phone with Scottie Sr. and think I can lend him a hand in P-town during the morning hours and shove off in time to make it to the beginning of the massacre.  Somebody tell the Knox president that I'll need my parking spot back.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 05:51:33 PM
Turkey Bowl makes GOW? ???  I'm not feelin' it.  Do I got this right?  MC's big rivalry game is Knox?  And you get a trophy for it?  Isn't that like my Horns making Rice their big game?  I mean, except for this year. :'(

Parking space? Scottie, you drive? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2010, 07:04:22 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 05, 2010, 05:51:33 PM
Turkey Bowl makes GOW? ???  I'm not feelin' it.  Do I got this right?  MC's big rivalry game is Knox?  And you get a trophy for it?  Isn't that like my Horns making Rice their big game?  I mean, except for this year. :'(

Parking space? Scottie, you drive? 


Monmouth and Knox are about 20 miles apart.  If that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2010, 08:26:17 PM
The Knox players don't get work release so their home games are played on the grounds of Hill Correctional Center.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2010, 08:13:08 AM
LET'S PLAY SOME FOOTBALL

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2010, 08:13:08 AM
LET'S PLAY SOME FOOTBALL

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

;D


Who needs football?  I have some great Chili Relleno recipes... ;D

Week 9:

Grinnell @ Carroll – No way Carroll overlooks any team capable of defeating The Chosen People.  Carroll 28 – GC 13

Ripon @ Lawrence – RC, looking to salvage a season that once held great promise, re-commits to running game and gains 943 yards rushing and controls 48:31 of the clock.  But fumbles, suspect officiating, and the clock running out limits them to 7 points.  Larry on their 3 possessions, finds the end zone once.  LU's other score comes on the recovery of a bad pitch taken to the house.  But still misses the XP.  RC fan leaves happy as the statistical win gives them much to celebrate and reaffirms their belief the the triple-option is the offense to carry them to the future...  LU 13 – RC 7  

Lake Forest @ St. Norbert – Forfeit for SNC.  LF gets lost.  Can't find DePere, but has a great time touring Lambeau.  SNC 2 – LF 0

Monmouth @ Knox - No way a mismatch of this proportion is GOW.  Get real.  Does MC even bring the trophy to the game?  Sorry KotR, I'd love to see y'all pull this one out, but y'all may need to find a new rival for the time being.  MC 48 – Knox 10

GOW

Illinois College @ Beloit – (How was this not GOW? Heck, it should be hosting College Gameday!)  About all we need to know about the anticipated, and eventual, outcome of this game is that "Americas Team's" # 1 fan won't even show for it.  Clearly a white flag if I've ever seen one.  (Remember, excuses are like belly-buttons.  Everyone has one.)  IC needs no excuse, but bet the RoopVegas "under".  Blueboy Nation 40 – Americas Team 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
LFC may end up at Minahan or Lambeau - but forfeits are 2-0. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2010, 10:51:10 AM
Scottie's motorcade is leaving and the detail should arrive at some point during the first quarter. The officials need not halt the game upon my arrival; just play on. Will provide in-game updates within a four touch spread. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 10:52:09 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
LFC may end up at Minahan or Lambeau - but forfeits are 2-0. ;)

Corrected.  Even though I don't think it will impact the RoopVegas line...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 12:13:00 PM
I will provide updates from the battle of NFL training camps. The lawn is done and should be a nice day - although perhaps crisp - for football.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 01:56:41 PM
The wood shed at Strong Stadium has been prepared and Illinois College has been given directions to it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 02:10:44 PM
Nice LFC drive to start stalls at 4th and 2 at SNC 10.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 02:23:41 PM
End of 1. SNC/LFC tied 0-0. LFC picking up yards in chunks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 06, 2010, 02:31:54 PM
Carroll up 27-0 at halftime.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 02:33:22 PM
43yard flea flicker for TD. 7-0 SNC with 9:44 left first half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
Blocked punt, early dropped passes, and very inconsistent passing is killing IC.  14-0 BC with about 11 min. left in the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2010, 02:43:43 PM
Scottie arrives to a 7-6 MC lead at the end of the 1st.  Now that I'm here, the route should begin shortly.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 02:49:16 PM
SNC puts together drive, scores. 14-0 with :56.4 left in half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 02:57:07 PM
Whoever wins this game ain't gonna have many highlights to show...  BC recovers a snap over the head of the IC QB.  Fumbles the next play.  Recovered and taken to the house by IC.  14-7 BC.  Seriously, it's looked like a pee-wee game with grown men... 7 min. left in the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2010, 03:01:27 PM
Good guys up 14-6 with 3:35 in 2nd. The players, and the announcer, must have had a wild party last night.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 06, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
Carroll is up 40-0 with 12 minutes left in the 4th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 03:24:21 PM
No 87-84 game in Beloit today as big plays have lead to the only scoring. 14-7 Bucs at the half. Didn't expect a defensive struggle between these two but things happen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 03:35:53 PM
SNC 20yard pass to endzone. LFC breaks it up, but somehow gets kicked straight up and a Green Knight catches the rebound. 21-0 SNC with 5:41 left in third.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 03:37:05 PM
Roop, you're being kind.  I'd like to credit the D's, but it ain't that.  The O's on both sides are showing NOTHING!  No rhythm.  No apparent plan.  QB's are both inconsistent. Dropped balls.  The best thing I've seen so far is that the clock moved quickly.  It'll be over soon.  Glad I bet the under!  14-7 Americas Team at half...  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 03:40:02 PM
Most took the over so I'll make out ok.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 03:40:45 PM
Hey Roop, I just saw that kid I told you about Venric Mark field the opening KO in the Northwestern vs. Penn St. game.  I gotta admit, it was pretty special...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 03:51:03 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 03:40:45 PM
Hey Roop, I just saw that kid I told you about Venric Mark field the opening KO in the Northwestern vs. Penn St. game.  I gotta admit, it was pretty special...

Oh, and as I replayed it, I realized the Penn State kicker was Anthony Fera.  He was a teammate of Jamie and Venric... Small world...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 03:51:21 PM
21-0 SNC end of 3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
And there is your dagger. 60 yard TD pass. 28-0 SNC with 7:30 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 04:12:11 PM
28-7 Americas Team late 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 04:21:19 PM
35-7 Americas Team. Still in the 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 04:22:38 PM
Today is a day that tests a fan's resolve.  I don't know what Blueboys showed up today, but dang!  28-7 BC midway through the 3rd.  BC just picked IC off.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 04:23:51 PM
Congratulations to the St. Norbert College Green Knights, the 2010 Midwest Conference Champions!!!!

Final: 28-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 04:24:32 PM
I'm throwing in the towel. I just don't know where the effort is today.  IC's just playing flat and uninspired.  35-7 BC in the third.  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2010, 04:30:42 PM
42-6 Good Guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 04:34:19 PM
A very sincere congratulations to SNC!  Well done.  Great season!  Best of luck next week.  Make it happen!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2010, 04:36:48 PM
Otis Campbell just announced Alex Tanney taking a snap!  Um, he mis-spoke. It was Shephard.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 04:38:31 PM
28-0 isn't indicative how close the game was. A missed 4th down here, turnovers there really hurt the Foresters. But SNC was able to make plays when it had to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 04:39:38 PM
42-21 now. It's getting close to the over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
Okay, IC scores quick. Picks off BC.  Scores again in 1 play.  Comes within 35-21 with 12 min.  Then, BC runs back the kickoff.  Unbelievable! 42-21 with just under 12 min.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 04:43:34 PM
ANd then IC scores in 2 plays.  But misses the XP. ::)  42-27. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2010, 04:44:26 PM
Time to ceLebrate.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2010, 04:44:26 PM
Time to ceLebrate.

No.  It's time to prepare. ;)  But congrats!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 05:11:20 PM
It's all but a final.  42-27 BC.  Congrats Roop!  Y'all were the better team today.  I know you won't remind me of it this offseason.  ::) I did have the under, so that's cool! ;D

Time to be an SNC fan!  Go Green Knights!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 05:11:28 PM
42-27 Americas Team. Wow, what a 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Final
Grinnell 7
Carroll 40

Final
Monmouth 42
Knox 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 06:08:02 PM
Did I miss it?  What'd Ripon do today?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 06:08:02 PM
Did I miss it?  What'd Ripon do today?

Dunno. COuldn't get video to work, no score on it or the Lawrence website.. I'm still checking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on November 06, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 06:08:02 PM
Did I miss it?  What'd Ripon do today?

Dunno. COuldn't get video to work, no score on it or the Lawrence website.. I'm still checking.


Don't know the final, but through Facebook it was apparently 42-0 Ripon at halftime
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 06:53:43 PM
Ripon 63
Lawrence 7
Final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 06, 2010, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2010, 06:53:43 PM
Ripon 63
Lawrence 7
Final
They must have unveiled their passing game. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2010, 11:56:24 PM
Must have thrown more than twice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 07, 2010, 07:04:58 AM
160 yards passing. Nice day. Oh, against Larry.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 07:11:37 AM
As much as I feel like rubbing it in to blu I don't think I will. Yes I will. As predicted Americas Team took the Blue Boys to the woodshed. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 07, 2010, 08:13:13 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 07:11:37 AM
As much as I feel like rubbing it in to blu I don't think I will. Yes I will. As predicted Americas Team took the Blue Boys to the woodshed. LOL.

Well deserved and not as bad as you could...  Between the Blueboys' end of season fizzle, and the Longhorns' complete debacle of a season, there ain't much joy in the house. :'(

But as I look toward next season, I see reason for optimism.  Over the course of the season, I have gotten to know many of the underclassmen.  I believe they have the ability and commitment to do exactly as I have predicted from day one.  That is, take the Blueboys to the next level.  They took some nice steps in that direction this year.  They made a difference in the conference.  They weren't just fodder, only winning games against the conference cellar dwellers.  They showed they could play.

Winning is an attitude.  Development takes leadership.  There's something I know, that y'all don't.  There is a history I have witnessed, but cannot share in this forum.  It involves increasing the overall energy of a program.  There's a core group of young men who will not be satisfied with the results achieved in the past.  Their number will grow in the coming months.  There will be a raised level of commitment to football & development in this off-season.  No one on this board will see it.  But it will be there.  The team will still be young next year, but it will have a heightened sense of purpose.  I think there will be greater versatility on offense, and increased intensity & ferocity on defense.  Teams win when they believe and understand that football isn't just a fall sport.  It requires a 24/7/365 commitment to improvement.  Not just by a handful of players, but when that commitment becomes an expectation of all, by all.  We only visited 2 schools in the MWC.  As many already know, MC was the other.  Not taking anything from rest, but the aforementioned commitment and attitude was already instilled and part of the culture there.  That, not Tanney's potential return, is what makes them consistent contenders. At IC, we truly saw (and see) the raw ingredients.  The coaching staff is bringing in the players it needs, and raising the bar.  The administration and fans are sensing it, and raising their commitment to match.  This is how programs grow.  Blueboy Nation was born.  It's in its adolescence.  The MWC will know when it comes of age. 

It's been a blast being part of this board.  While I don't have the historical perspective, I would still suggest that the conference got better this year.  Is our champion as great as in years' past, who knows?  But the conference is better as a whole.  Iron sharpens iron.  This is a good thing.  Let's keep it going.  I realize that SNC has a daunting task before them, but let's all get behind them.  Because next year, I know the Blueboys will want your support when they carry the conference banner ;) into the great beyond.   Class dismissed.  You may go now.  ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 08:21:39 AM
I had Gates McFadden dream #7 last night and you give the board a lecture like that ?? Can't even give details now as you've ruined it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 07, 2010, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 08:21:39 AM
I had Gates McFadden dream #7 last night and you give the board a lecture like that ?? Can't even give details now as you've ruined it.

A what???  Dude, y'ain't dreamin' about me, are ya?  Sometimes yur cerebralness is too much for me to foller. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 07, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
After this coming weekend's probable loss to Coe, Cornell will own a sparkling 1-39 record in IIAC Football over the past five seasons.  If they are successful in rejoining the MWC, what do you predict Cornell's record will be in the first five years back as a MWC member? (I assume this would be starting with the 2012 football season)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 09:58:26 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 07, 2010, 08:42:57 AM
A what???  Dude, y'ain't dreamin' about me, are ya?  Sometimes yur cerebralness is too much for me to foller. ;D

Nope, I don't go that way. Gates McFadden was the actress that played Beverly Crusher in Star Trek TNG. I'd go that way in a heartbeat. Nothing wrong with Cougar hunting.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 07, 2010, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: warthog on November 07, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
After this coming weekend's probable loss to Coe, Cornell will own a sparkling 1-39 record in IIAC Football over the past five seasons.  If they are successful in rejoining the MWC, what do you predict Cornell's record will be in the first five years back as a MWC member? (I assume this would be starting with the 2012 football season)

Since I don't know how the schedule would work with ten teams (I would assume divisions but wouldn't be shocked if they went with an insular ten game schedule) this is hard to say. I like to think this season showed the rest of the MWC has gotten stronger rather than just the top has gotten weaker so I would say Cornell would be looking at a 7th - 9th place finish every year. Maybe hitting 5th or 6th in a good year but just as possible to drop to 10th in a bad year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 07, 2010, 01:15:39 PM
Great game for the Hawks yesterday, good way to end an up and down season, and its always good to beat the Larrys.  Ripon dominated both sides of the ball all game.  Their offense threw 10 times! So no wonder we put up 63 points.  No matter the records the Ripon-LU game is always littered with personal foul penalties which makes the game interesting, a fun rivalry game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 04:16:22 PM
10 times. That's a gotta be a new team record.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2010, 06:14:57 PM
If Cornell is interested, I would think they might try to find a 12th team and go back to two 6 team divisions and have a title game again.

When we had 12, it was 5 division games and 2 vs the other division - a home and home over two years - so it took 6 years to complete a home/home cycle with the other division.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
(Cont.)

That would mean three non-games and a chance to improve the overall strength of schedule. That would likely mean trying to play more WIAC teams. Maybe its 3 games vs other division - still get two noncon that way and might be easier to schedule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 07, 2010, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
(Cont.)

That would mean three non-games and a chance to improve the overall strength of schedule. That would likely mean trying to play more WIAC teams. Maybe its 3 games vs other division - still get two noncon that way and might be easier to schedule.

You'd have to have only 9 games on the schedule in order to play the conference championship game, otherwise you would have 11 games in the season. But you could go with 5 division games, 2 cross division and a challenge game like the NAthCon has for basketball. 1st in the North plays 1st in the South, 2nd in the North plays 2nd in the South and so on. Trade off year's on what division gets to host so every school would know where the game would be at the start of the year. They just wouldn't know the opponent.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 09:06:44 PM
Cornell was too good for us so let them join the UMAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 07, 2010, 11:01:24 PM
FULU!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 11:03:11 PM
I think Greenbay has suited up Beloit College and Dallas is using the Illinois College JV.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 08:13:18 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 11:03:11 PM
I think Greenbay has suited up Beloit College and Dallas is using the Illinois College JV.

On behalf of the entire IC JV, I wish to register the offense taken to that comment. >:(  Upon closer inspection, I believe you'd find that it was actually the Longhorns wearing the stars on their helmets...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 08:32:04 AM
I was just guessing but I think you might be on to something. IC JV would have done better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2010, 09:41:17 AM
My last post Saturday afternoon was via Blackberry and in a rush since I was trying to be the tens of thousands out of Galesburg.   :D

But it is worth repeating, since the announcer almost gave me a heart attack....on MC's last play from scrimmage to run out the clock, he says "That was Alex Tanney in for the snap." Just before I could start the F in WTF, he says "Sorry, that was Matt Shephard taking the snap."  So the redshirt remains in tact and the balance of power tilts back to the (real) Good Guys next year, despite the BTNT Manifesto.   ;D

Good luck to the Green Dads in the playoffs!

M O N M O U T H   B A S K E T B A L L   C U T S   D O W N   T H E   N E T S   I N   2 0 1 1 ! ! !  ;D  ;D  ;D                                              S O R R Y . . . . W R O N G   B O A R D. :-X  :-X  :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 09:46:28 AM
Beloit graduates several at key positions so they may only be an 18.5 point favorite next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 08, 2010, 09:41:17 AM
My last post Saturday afternoon was via Blackberry and in a rush since I was trying to be the tens of thousands out of Galesburg.   :D

But it is worth repeating, since the announcer almost gave me a heart attack....on MC's last play from scrimmage to run out the clock, he says "That was Alex Tanney in for the snap." Just before I could start the F in WTF, he says "Sorry, that was Matt Shephard taking the snap."  So the redshirt remains in tact and the balance of power tilts back to the (real) Good Guys next year, despite the BTNT Manifesto.   ;D

Good luck to the Green Dads in the playoffs!

Manifesto? ??? I respectully (though none is due) ;) disagree.  I was just callin' my shot! ;D

M O N M O U T H   B A S K E T B A L L   C U T S   D O W N   T H E   N E T S   I N   2 0 1 1 ! ! !  ;D  ;D  ;D                                              S O R R Y . . . . W R O N G   B O A R D. :-X  :-X  :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2010, 09:54:48 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 07, 2010, 08:13:13 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 07, 2010, 07:11:37 AM
As much as I feel like rubbing it in to blu I don't think I will. Yes I will. As predicted Americas Team took the Blue Boys to the woodshed. LOL.

Well deserved and not as bad as you could...  Between the Blueboys' end of season fizzle, and the Longhorns' complete debacle of a season, there ain't much joy in the house. :'(

But as I look toward next season, I see reason for optimism.  Over the course of the season, I have gotten to know many of the underclassmen.  I believe they have the ability and commitment to do exactly as I have predicted from day one.  That is, take the Blueboys to the next level.  They took some nice steps in that direction this year.  They made a difference in the conference.  They weren't just fodder, only winning games against the conference cellar dwellers.  They showed they could play.

Winning is an attitude.  Development takes leadership.  There's something I know, that y'all don't.  There is a history I have witnessed, but cannot share in this forum.  It involves increasing the overall energy of a program.  There's a core group of young men who will not be satisfied with the results achieved in the past.  Their number will grow in the coming months.  There will be a raised level of commitment to football & development in this off-season.  No one on this board will see it.  But it will be there.  The team will still be young next year, but it will have a heightened sense of purpose.  I think there will be greater versatility on offense, and increased intensity & ferocity on defense.  Teams win when they believe and understand that football isn't just a fall sport.  It requires a 24/7/365 commitment to improvement.  Not just by a handful of players, but when that commitment becomes an expectation of all, by all.  We only visited 2 schools in the MWC.  As many already know, MC was the other.  Not taking anything from rest, but the aforementioned commitment and attitude was already instilled and part of the culture there.  That, not Tanney's potential return, is what makes them consistent contenders. At IC, we truly saw (and see) the raw ingredients.  The coaching staff is bringing in the players it needs, and raising the bar.  The administration and fans are sensing it, and raising their commitment to match.  This is how programs grow.  Blueboy Nation was born.  It's in its adolescence.  The MWC will know when it comes of age. 

It's been a blast being part of this board.  While I don't have the historical perspective, I would still suggest that the conference got better this year.  Is our champion as great as in years' past, who knows?  But the conference is better as a whole.  Iron sharpens iron.  This is a good thing.  Let's keep it going.  I realize that SNC has a daunting task before them, but let's all get behind them.  Because next year, I know the Blueboys will want your support when they carry the conference banner ;) into the great beyond.   Class dismissed.  You may go now.  ;D



Excuse me while I clear my throat......   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 10:26:38 AM
Allergies, Scottie? ???  Clearly, you've never read one of my manifesto's.  That wouldn't even qualify as a cover letter... ;D  However, next time, I'll be more mindful of my audience (you).  I'll do it in crayon and use stick figure illustration & larger print. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
Well.........at least I don't have a small, red x as my profile picture!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 10:56:52 AM
Somehow, I knew that was coming. :)  Can't seem to make that work.  I even opened a Flicker account.  Like all software installs and upgrades, there's always something that causes the IT department to say "Hmmm, I've never seen that before.  You got anything else to do today?  Cuz, I'll need to do some research on this and get it back to you."  Y'know, I'd honestly trade some of my good looks for a little better luck in this area. ;D  In fact, just as I am typing this I'm intalling "Dropbox" on my Iphone. And wouldn't you know, I'm having a sync problem.  Crap!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 08, 2010, 11:57:00 AM
Blu - while I'm sure everyone on the board appreciates your enthusiasm and 'callin' your shot' about your Blueboys, you might temper that enthusiasm just a touch...go back and look at the last decade - if IC has averaged 5 wins a season I'll be shocked.  Multiple coaches and all their 'enthusiasm' couldn't get it done, either.  And as long as St. Norbert, Ripon and MC are still producing, does anyone really see any other teams leapfrogging them on a consistent basis? 

Am I correct in saying that IC's coach just finished his third year?   

**A question for all:  How long do you give a coach to 'turn the program around'?  After next year Coach Campbell won't have any players left over from the previous coach - so Blu, if IC is .500 again (or worse), is that good enough for you? 
 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on November 08, 2010, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 07, 2010, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
(Cont.)

That would mean three non-games and a chance to improve the overall strength of schedule. That would likely mean trying to play more WIAC teams. Maybe its 3 games vs other division - still get two noncon that way and might be easier to schedule.

You'd have to have only 9 games on the schedule in order to play the conference championship game, otherwise you would have 11 games in the season. But you could go with 5 division games, 2 cross division and a challenge game like the NAthCon has for basketball. 1st in the North plays 1st in the South, 2nd in the North plays 2nd in the South and so on. Trade off year's on what division gets to host so every school would know where the game would be at the start of the year. They just wouldn't know the opponent.

The NCAA allows you to play an extra game if it determines the champion of a league of at least 12 teams. The SEC, Big 12, ACC and soon the Big 10 all took advantage of a rule that was created for Division III to stage their championship games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 08, 2010, 11:57:00 AM
**A question for all:  How long do you give a coach to 'turn the program around'?  After next year Coach Campbell won't have any players left over from the previous coach - so Blu, if IC is .500 again (or worse), is that good enough for you? 

Typically coaches get 5 years but in DIII the leash is a little longer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 08, 2010, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 08, 2010, 11:57:00 AM


**A question for all:  How long do you give a coach to 'turn the program around'?  After next year Coach Campbell won't have any players left over from the previous coach - so Blu, if IC is .500 again (or worse), is that good enough for you? 
 

Only if he gets a chance to see them move into the dorms.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2010, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: sncsid on November 08, 2010, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 07, 2010, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
(Cont.)

That would mean three non-games and a chance to improve the overall strength of schedule. That would likely mean trying to play more WIAC teams. Maybe its 3 games vs other division - still get two noncon that way and might be easier to schedule.

You'd have to have only 9 games on the schedule in order to play the conference championship game, otherwise you would have 11 games in the season. But you could go with 5 division games, 2 cross division and a challenge game like the NAthCon has for basketball. 1st in the North plays 1st in the South, 2nd in the North plays 2nd in the South and so on. Trade off year's on what division gets to host so every school would know where the game would be at the start of the year. They just wouldn't know the opponent.

The NCAA allows you to play an extra game if it determines the champion of a league of at least 12 teams. The SEC, Big 12, ACC and soon the Big 10 all took advantage of a rule that was created for Division III to stage their championship games.

Thanks for the assist and clarification, Dan.

Looking back at the last 12-team MWC era, SNC played such non-con opponents as Michigan Tech, UWSP, UWOsh, Ill. Benedictine, Drake, Concordia (WI), and Dayton.

Obviously because of changing divisions, not all of those same teams are options (I really don't see SNC playing D2 schools anymore), but 2 or 3 non-conf games against that caliber could help the conference, I think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 05:14:14 PM
Fightingscots13-
I am perplexed by your post. ???  Why the heck would anyone suggest that someone should temper their enthusiasm?  I mean, seriously, what about being a fan, or parent, begets the need to temper hope or enthusiasm?  Further, when have I displayed any interest in history?  Not a single posts has ever suggested my expectations were based on any historical data.  My outlook is born exclusively of the belief that this coach and administration are making the changes to address the problems in the very history I wish to disregard.  For it is, after all, history.  And I couldn't care less about it. 

Now, if I were a fan of an established MWC contender, history might be more appealing to me.  Add youth and personal insecurities, and I might be inclined to temper my enthusiasm; fearing the conference is improving and the status quo is changing.  I might worry that the change in the status quo compromises my team's chances to achieve an MWC championship, and thereby my ability to arrogantly suggest that anyone expressing hope, should temper their enthusiasm.  But really, it's just not in my nature to dictate anyone's level of, or reason for, enthusiasm.  Nor would I discourage them from making their beliefs, public.  It's kinda, to me, what being a fan is...

Over the last 15 years, I've been very successful at the pee-wee level.  However, I have never been paid a penny for my X's & O's expertise.  The compensation has been fair for the goods received.  What I do get paid for; is developing winning sales teams.  And I'm very good at it.  Sports teams and sales teams are very similar in their required ingredients for success.  If you know those ingredients, you can spot them wherever you see them. I see them in/with this coach, program, and school.

Will a .500 season be good enough for me?  Not meaning to be evasive, but is a .500 season is good for any "fan"?   I have never claimed that next year will be our best year.  I just believe there'll be progress.  if you read my post, you would see that I said "reason for optimism".  I claimed things like "heightened sense of purpose", and spoke to the conference being "better as a whole".  I'm trying to understand feeling compelled to tell me I should temper my enthusiasm.  I think if anything requires tempering, it would be the arrogance to suggest that the things I see, be they real or not, should be the exclusive domains of MC, SNC, and RC?  And yes. I do believe they can be leapfrogged.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2010, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 05:14:14 PM
Fightingscots13-
I am perplexed by your post. ???  Why the heck would anyone suggest that someone should temper their enthusiasm?  I mean, seriously, what about being a fan, or parent, begets the need to temper hope or enthusiasm?  Further, when have I displayed any interest in history?  Not a single posts has ever suggested my expectations were based on any historical data.  My outlook is born exclusively of the belief that this coach and administration are making the changes to address the problems in the very history I wish to disregard.  For it is, after all, history.  And I couldn't care less about it. 

Now, if I were a fan of an established MWC contender, history might be more appealing to me.  Add youth and personal insecurities, and I might be inclined to temper my enthusiasm; fearing the conference is improving and the status quo is changing.  I might worry that the change in the status quo compromises my team's chances to achieve an MWC championship, and thereby my ability to arrogantly suggest that anyone expressing hope, should temper their enthusiasm.  But really, it's just not in my nature to dictate anyone's level of, or reason for, enthusiasm.  Nor would I discourage them from making their beliefs, public.  It's kinda, to me, what being a fan is...

Over the last 15 years, I've been very successful at the pee-wee level.  However, I have never been paid a penny for my X's & O's expertise.  The compensation has been fair for the goods received.  What I do get paid for; is developing winning sales teams.  And I'm very good at it.  Sports teams and sales teams are very similar in their required ingredients for success.  If you know those ingredients, you can spot them wherever you see them. I see them in/with this coach, program, and school.

Will a .500 season be good enough for me?  Not meaning to be evasive, but is a .500 season is good for any "fan"?   I have never claimed that next year will be our best year.  I just believe there'll be progress.  if you read my post, you would see that I said "reason for optimism".  I claimed things like "heightened sense of purpose", and spoke to the conference being "better as a whole".  I'm trying to understand feeling compelled to tell me I should temper my enthusiasm.  I think if anything requires tempering, it would be the arrogance to suggest that the things I see, be they real or not, should be the exclusive domains of MC, SNC, and RC?  And yes. I do believe they can be leapfrogged.


I think he meant "Curb Your Enthusiasm" - he want you to be a TV star! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2010, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 10:56:52 AM
Somehow, I knew that was coming. :)  Can't seem to make that work.  I even opened a Flicker account.  Like all software installs and upgrades, there's always something that causes the IT department to say "Hmmm, I've never seen that before.  You got anything else to do today?  Cuz, I'll need to do some research on this and get it back to you."  Y'know, I'd honestly trade some of my good looks for a little better luck in this area. ;D  In fact, just as I am typing this I'm intalling "Dropbox" on my Iphone. And wouldn't you know, I'm having a sync problem.  Crap!

Problem is you put the URL of the PAGE in your profile. How's a browser going to display an entire page in your profile?

Put the URL of the PHOTO, though, and you're golden. Like I just did.

You're welcome. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 08, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
When/if Cornell comes back to the MWC.  Does everyone think it's just a case of Cornell coming home and everything else stays the same?  Or does anyone out there think this is just the first step in bringing together a version of the ACM conference that Cornell and the 7 MWC members of the ACM voted for last year?  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2010, 05:25:13 PM
I think this is Plan B from that attempt.

The presidents all wanted it, but nobody in athletics (basically) was in favor.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
I did it!  Gone is the red X.  Thanks to the many who attempted to help! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 08, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
When/if Cornell comes back to the MWC.  Does everyone think it's just a case of Cornell coming home and everything else stays the same?  Or does anyone out there think this is just the first step in bringing together a version of the ACM conference that Cornell and the 7 MWC members of the ACM voted for last year?  

The Minnesota schools were the first to drop out of that discussion due to the travel situation it would create. So a true ACM conference will never happen. Someone at a MN school told me that so for a change I'm not just making something up.

Time for my walk now and a fire hydrant along the way would be nice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2010, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
I did it!  Gone is the red X.  Thanks to the many who attempted to help! 

Wow. It's like you didn't even read my post. I did it. :)

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2010, 05:22:07 PM

Problem is you put the URL of the PAGE in your profile. How's a browser going to display an entire page in your profile?

Put the URL of the PHOTO, though, and you're golden. Like I just did.

You're welcome. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
I did read your post.  It's why I got it!  Others have tried to assist me, but haven't met with the success you did on your first try. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2010, 05:56:41 PM
Right. That's because I didn't assist you as much as I logged in as an admin and did it for you. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 05:58:47 PM
I told him how a week ago but he just doesn't listen well.

Last year I taught scottie so I thought anyone could do it. Guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2010, 05:56:41 PM
Right. That's because I didn't assist you as much as I logged in as an admin and did it for you. :)

Shoot! There goes that great feeling of accomplishment I was riding...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2010, 06:22:57 PM
Pat, don't be too hard on blu - he's from Texas, he can't help it! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 06:44:12 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2010, 05:56:41 PM
Right. That's because I didn't assist you as much as I logged in as an admin and did it for you. :)

Shoot! There goes that great feeling of accomplishment I was riding...

Sounds like "Feeling of Accomplishment" shattered a cornet on the back stretch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2010, 06:22:57 PM
Pat, don't be too hard on blu - he's from Texas, he can't help it! :D

Ya, still trying to figur out this blasted computer machine :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 08, 2010, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2010, 06:22:57 PM
Pat, don't be too hard on blu - he's from Texas, he can't help it! :D

Ya, still trying to figur out this blasted computer machine :P

Those Texas Instruments machines with vacuum tubes aren't always compatible with the internet. Ever think about upgrading to the 1990s.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 09, 2010, 09:16:09 AM
blu back in his law enforcement days............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLXyC1cuN3M
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2010, 09:47:56 AM
I'm picturing something more like John Candy at Wally World..... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 09, 2010, 10:02:55 AM
 from Blu:  "The coaching staff is bringing in the players it needs, and raising the bar.  The administration and fans are sensing it, and raising their commitment to match.  This is how programs grow.  Blueboy Nation was born.  It's in its adolescence.  The MWC will know when it comes of age.......Because next year, I know the Blueboys will want your support when they carry the conference banner."  

Sounds to me like you're expressing a little more than 'reason for optimism'.  Maybe temper your enthusiasm was a wrong choice of words to use, because I'm sure I'll be a proud dad, too, when my kids are college-age...but my initial question remains the same - every school has gone through new coaches who have all the enthusiasm in the world, but in the end the results just aren't there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 09, 2010, 10:02:55 AM
from Blu:  "The coaching staff is bringing in the players it needs, and raising the bar.  The administration and fans are sensing it, and raising their commitment to match.  This is how programs grow.  Blueboy Nation was born.  It's in its adolescence.  The MWC will know when it comes of age.......Because next year, I know the Blueboys will want your support when they carry the conference banner."  

Sounds to me like you're expressing a little more than 'reason for optimism'.  Maybe temper your enthusiasm was a wrong choice of words to use, because I'm sure I'll be a proud dad, too, when my kids are college-age...but my initial question remains the same - every school has gone through new coaches who have all the enthusiasm in the world, but in the end the results just aren't there.

I am assuming that you either have attended, or are attending, MC.  If accurate, that you were unable to glean the obvious tongue-in-cheek intent in my conference championship banner statement, makes me glad my son chose an IC education over MC...  ;)  This is further evidenced in the fact that your "initial question" isn't so much a question as it is a statement.  Me thinks the IC English department might coulda learned ya better, son. ;D  As for your initial choice of words, well, that's the final nail in that coffin.  

My apologies to MC fans, players, staff, students, alumni, and administration.  I realize that it's an excellent institution, and I am painting with way too broad a brush.  I just couldn't pass on the shot... ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 09, 2010, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 08, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
When/if Cornell comes back to the MWC.
Don't let them back in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on November 09, 2010, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 08, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
When/if Cornell comes back to the MWC.
Don't let them back in.

Dude, I gave ya a +k just for the name alone!  Awesome!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 09, 2010, 11:25:20 AM
Tell you what, Blu - you keep drinkin' the IC kool-aid and we'll see you next year when the conference predictions come out.

It's off to the hoops board, where my MC tone isn't quite as positive...  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2010, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 10:28:26 AM

Me thinks the IC English department might coulda learned ya better, son. ;D  


I wouldn't take too much English tutoring from someone whose favorite noun AND verb is barbeque.   :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 09, 2010, 11:25:20 AM
Tell you what, Blu - you keep drinkin' the IC kool-aid and we'll see you next year when the conference predictions come out.

It's off to the hoops board, where my MC tone isn't quite as positive...  :-\

+K, my friend! Best of luck this hoops season.  (Like it matters ::))  I'll have the blue Kool-Aide on a slow drip until spring ball.  Just remember, there are really only 3 seasons.  Football season, spring ball, and pre-season camp.  Hoops and baseball are just the opiates for those less aware of that fact.  ;) I will be at the MC game next year!  I will not be hard to find. I'll have a blue cup waitin fer ya... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 09, 2010, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 10:28:26 AM

Me thinks the IC English department might coulda learned ya better, son. ;D  


I wouldn't take too much English tutoring from someone whose favorite noun AND verb is barbeque.   :o

Spoken like a man who knows not the difference between grilling and barbequing.  And who believes that barbeque is accomplished through the slathering of some sugary carmelizing agent on meat while coking on his gas Weber.  Hey, here's one for ya.  When is "grilling season"?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2010, 12:17:34 PM
Blu Alert!!!  Some coach in North Carolina has swiped your pee-wee playbook!!    :)  ;)  :D  ;D

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Backflips-on-two-point-conversion-draw-flags-ej?urn=highschool-283559

In truth: Two things I always wished I could do - 1.) dunk a basketball, and 2.) do a back flip.  This kid doing back flips in full uniform is pretty awesome to me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 09, 2010, 12:21:09 PM
I should probably stay out of this one and just let scottie and blu have at it.

2 scheduled interviews this week so I'm fiesty.

BBQ of any kind is overrated . There I said it.  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
Your reference data is obviously insufficient. While your willingness to speak on subjects about which you know little is in great abundance.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2010, 03:34:11 PM
Sounds like blu's first two months on this board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 09, 2010, 03:56:37 PM
This week's Top 25 Fan poll (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1254923#new) is out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2010, 03:34:11 PM
Sounds like blu's first two months on this board.

To heck with that... It sounds no different from Blu in the present... ;D  All posts are 3 parts BS and 1 part stuff you shouldn't listen to.  I may go underground for a while as I work on my manifesto! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2010, 03:34:11 PM
Sounds like blu's first two months on this board.

To heck with that... It sounds no different from Blu in the present... ;D  All posts are 3 parts BS and 1 part stuff you shouldn't listen to.  I may go underground for a while as I work on my manifesto! ;)

I forgot you registered in July. I'll have to extend that time frame.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2010, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
I may go underground for a while as I work on my manifesto! ;)


Oh, I'm sure it wouldn't take you very long.  Just pull out some bits and pieces from Blu's Greatest Hits on the board and you'll be done in no time!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 09, 2010, 06:39:02 PM
Went and looked at the records of Scot's Football records against those Iowa Colleges that exited out of the MWC back in 1988...<http://www.monm.edu/Media/Website%20Resources/pdf/athletics/rb/Football.pdf>.

Coe had our number bigtime (In 1903 we started tangling with them): MC has only 19 wins vs. 52 losses and 3 ties. :-[ :'(

Those Rams of Cornell own us as we beat them 29 times against their 38 wins with one tie. (We're in the hole with -11 win differential against them.) Even thou they won't get the nod to come back to the MWC - IMHO, I'd say bring
em in! We play them in other sports anyway.
Blu, FYI - we've got IC's number so it's goin' to be a long time before this series gets in jeopardy  8-)Scotty and I sat at that MC- IC contest back in 1894. 8-)

Quote from: The Roop on November 08, 2010, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 08, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
When/if Cornell comes back to the MWC.  Does everyone think it's just a case of Cornell coming home and everything else stays the same?  Or does anyone out there think this is just the first step in bringing together a version of the ACM conference that Cornell and the 7 MWC members of the ACM voted for last year?  

The Minnesota schools were the first to drop out of that discussion due to the travel situation it would create. So a true ACM conference will never happen. Someone at a MN school told me that so for a change I'm not just making something up.

Time for my walk now and a fire hydrant along the way would be nice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 09, 2010, 06:46:57 PM
No way, my man!  Next year's manifesto (AKA "Rise of Blueboy Nation") will require all new material and a new way of thinking.  Get ready to have your world rocked!  ;D

;D THE WORLD AS YOU'VE KNOWN IT IS NO LONGER.  HAIL BLUEBOY NATION! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 09, 2010, 08:13:07 PM
Hey puckfan. You out there? Pat, how about you? Talk about fair weather fans. No one on here even mentions possibilities about playoffs. Pat, I know you won't comment until tomorrow on around the region. Looking forward to that. And to the Knox and Ripon fans that only say "you're going to get killed in the first round" type of comments, I have a little statement of my own. Let's hope we face each other in the playoffs. Oh yeah, your not in the playoffs.

For those of you that really are serious, thoughts about brackets? Who else will get in and where will they be seeded? Where will SNC end up seeded? 8? 7?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 09, 2010, 08:49:33 PM
GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 09, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
Rise of the Blue Boy Nation, that's a laugh.  :D Americas Team says it's more like Judgement Day for the rest for the conference.  8-)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2010, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 09, 2010, 08:13:07 PM
Hey puckfan. You out there? Pat, how about you? Talk about fair weather fans. No one on here even mentions possibilities about playoffs. Pat, I know you won't comment until tomorrow on around the region. Looking forward to that. And to the Knox and Ripon fans that only say "you're going to get killed in the first round" type of comments, I have a little statement of my own. Let's hope we face each other in the playoffs. Oh yeah, your not in the playoffs.

For those of you that really are serious, thoughts about brackets? Who else will get in and where will they be seeded? Where will SNC end up seeded? 8? 7?

Sorry, one of those weeks where work is pulling me away from the computer.

Looking just at the d3football.com top 25 (as opposed to the AFCA list), I see these teams that could end up in the same part of a bracket as SNC:

1 UW-Whitewater
4 St. Thomas
5 North Central (Ill.)
15 Coe
16 Bethel
18 Wheaton (Ill.)
25 Central

I don't pretend to pay close enough attention to know which teams will end up which region (i.e. will Whitewater be moved, etc). It doesn't look like the WIAC will get a second team - which would likely be an easy pairing geographically otherwise. Given the overall record of 7-3, combined with the conference's reputation and a home loss to a #4 ranked team, I doubt SNC gets anything higer than a 7 seed. (Certainly Pat et al will educate us more as we go).

So, that means a road game. Probably at a conference champion. I think I'd be pleased with:

A) not having to play Whitewater in the first round
B) drawing St. Thomas

I went to the UST/SNC game. SNC didn't play particularly well offensively, had too many turnovers, etc. That said, the offense is playing better as of late. The turnovers have dropped dramatically in the second half of the season. I'm willing (naively hoping?) I can chalk up some of the UST performance to jitters associated with the new stadium debut. And, SNC was able to have some success on both sides of the ball. Plus, the familiarity factor could help.

SNC could surprise whoever they play. (I mean, that's why we play the games, right?). Is this team going to make a deep run? Perhaps not. But a first-round win is possible.




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 09, 2010, 09:30:35 PM
CCIW is in the North Region and you have left out the west coast teams. Even as loaded as the bracket would be I don't think Whitewater gets moved if the CCIW gets 2 in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 09, 2010, 09:43:05 PM
OK. Obviously I would prefer not to pay a visit to Whitewater ( in spite of the very short travel for me). I am also hoping it is not the Tommies. Not because they will beat us, but because we already played them once in September and SNC plays them again at St Thomas to open the season next year. 3 times within 12 months including twice there? Prefer that not to happen. I see 2 west coasters so they will likely play each other. So either UWW gets moved and the Tommies get a number one ....or... either Coe or Bethel stays home. And that does not even bring Central into the mix but 2 losses for a Pool C is extremely unlikely. Give me a team we have not played this year. Do I think we play the Tommies better than at the season opener. Absolutely. I just would like to face a team we have not played this year. (except UWW for obvious reasons)

Do we know if it is always 1 vs.8, 2 vs. 7 etc. or can they throw a 3 against 8 in there for geographic reasons? I think you have to build brackets around the top 4 teams getting #1 seeds. From there who knows.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2010, 09:45:15 PM
Thanks for the insight... I figured that the west coast teams would end up in the same half of the bracket, but I guess I was looking at the first game (or 2) - not to be pessimistic or anything) - and looking at likely matchups given the 500 mile driving rule. As I said, I haven't looked at the region closely enough.

And Dad - bracket integrity does sometimes take a back seat to travel considerations, yes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 09, 2010, 10:16:44 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2010, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 09, 2010, 08:13:07 PM
Hey puckfan. You out there? Pat, how about you? Talk about fair weather fans. No one on here even mentions possibilities about playoffs. Pat, I know you won't comment until tomorrow on around the region. Looking forward to that. And to the Knox and Ripon fans that only say "you're going to get killed in the first round" type of comments, I have a little statement of my own. Let's hope we face each other in the playoffs. Oh yeah, your not in the playoffs.

For those of you that really are serious, thoughts about brackets? Who else will get in and where will they be seeded? Where will SNC end up seeded? 8? 7?

Sorry, one of those weeks where work is pulling me away from the computer.

Looking just at the d3football.com top 25 (as opposed to the AFCA list), I see these teams that could end up in the same part of a bracket as SNC:

1 UW-Whitewater
4 St. Thomas
5 North Central (Ill.)
15 Coe
16 Bethel
18 Wheaton (Ill.)
25 Central

I don't pretend to pay close enough attention to know which teams will end up which region (i.e. will Whitewater be moved, etc). It doesn't look like the WIAC will get a second team - which would likely be an easy pairing geographically otherwise. Given the overall record of 7-3, combined with the conference's reputation and a home loss to a #4 ranked team, I doubt SNC gets anything higer than a 7 seed. (Certainly Pat et al will educate us more as we go).

So, that means a road game. Probably at a conference champion. I think I'd be pleased with:

A) not having to play Whitewater in the first round
B) drawing St. Thomas

I went to the UST/SNC game. SNC didn't play particularly well offensively, had too many turnovers, etc. That said, the offense is playing better as of late. The turnovers have dropped dramatically in the second half of the season. I'm willing (naively hoping?) I can chalk up some of the UST performance to jitters associated with the new stadium debut. And, SNC was able to have some success on both sides of the ball. Plus, the familiarity factor could help.

SNC could surprise whoever they play. (I mean, that's why we play the games, right?). Is this team going to make a deep run? Perhaps not. But a first-round win is possible.



gbpuckfan:  I think you forgot a currently undefeated Wartburg team that has already secured a spot in the playoffs.  Since Central has two conference losses in the IIAC and is likely to finish third in the league, I think you can withdraw them from your list.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 10, 2010, 03:25:34 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2010, 09:45:15 PM
Thanks for the insight... I figured that the west coast teams would end up in the same half of the bracket, but I guess I was looking at the first game (or 2) - not to be pessimistic or anything) - and looking at likely matchups given the 500 mile driving rule. As I said, I haven't looked at the region closely enough.

And Dad - bracket integrity does sometimes take a back seat to travel considerations, yes.

Put us West Coasters down for at least two -- the SCIAC winner and the NWC winner, Linfield.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2010, 07:14:59 AM
warthog - no offense intended - just missed it on the list...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2010, 08:57:22 AM
puckfan, thanks for joining in. I was feeling a little lonely out here as the only SNC fan on the board.

Warthog, I am starting to get this "KNIGHT" feeling. What do you think?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 10, 2010, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 10, 2010, 08:57:22 AM

Warthog, I am starting to get this "KNIGHT" feeling. What do you think?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

When I saw how things were shaking out, I started to think there is a good chance we could be the first round match up for one another.  I assume it depends which teams are the at large selections and if the selection committee moves a team out of or into the region.  Considering the results of our last two meetings, I think a Green/Orange Knights matchup would make for a good first round game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 10, 2010, 12:05:07 PM
Ok, why not...I'll throw in my 2 cents.

West Region
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) Wartburg
4) Cal Lutheran
5) Linfield
6) Bethel
7) Coe
8) St. Norbert

I think the IIAC and MIAC will both get 2 teams in while the others all get just their conf. champs into the dance.  Pairings match up the way they should: SNC @ UWW, Coe @ UST, Bethel @ Wartburg, and Linfield gets to visit Cal Lutheran for the second time this season out there in the western time zone.  Of course, all this gets thrown in the trash if UWW gets moved to another region, if Pacific Lutheran would happen to get an invite, or if the NCAA does any other crazy stuff. ;)  Just my thoughts, feel free to tear into them...I promise it won't hurt my feelings...discuss! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2010, 12:24:49 PM
8.5) Monmouth 


;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2010, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 10, 2010, 12:05:07 PM
Ok, why not...I'll throw in my 2 cents.

West Region
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) Wartburg
4) Cal Lutheran
5) Linfield
6) Bethel
7) Coe
8) St. Norbert

I think the IIAC and MIAC will both get 2 teams in while the others all get just their conf. champs into the dance.  Pairings match up the way they should: SNC @ UWW, Coe @ UST, Bethel @ Wartburg, and Linfield gets to visit Cal Lutheran for the second time this season out there in the western time zone.  Of course, all this gets thrown in the trash if UWW gets moved to another region, if Pacific Lutheran would happen to get an invite, or if the NCAA does any other crazy stuff. ;)  Just my thoughts, feel free to tear into them...I promise it won't hurt my feelings...discuss! 8-)

I look at that and hope as a conference champion, SNC gets moved up ahead of a second-place finisher and avoids Whitewater...  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 10, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2010, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 10, 2010, 12:05:07 PM
Ok, why not...I'll throw in my 2 cents.

West Region
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) Wartburg
4) Cal Lutheran
5) Linfield
6) Bethel
7) Coe
8) St. Norbert

I think the IIAC and MIAC will both get 2 teams in while the others all get just their conf. champs into the dance.  Pairings match up the way they should: SNC @ UWW, Coe @ UST, Bethel @ Wartburg, and Linfield gets to visit Cal Lutheran for the second time this season out there in the western time zone.  Of course, all this gets thrown in the trash if UWW gets moved to another region, if Pacific Lutheran would happen to get an invite, or if the NCAA does any other crazy stuff. ;)  Just my thoughts, feel free to tear into them...I promise it won't hurt my feelings...discuss! 8-)

I look at that and hope as a conference champion, SNC gets moved up ahead of a second-place finisher and avoids Whitewater...  ;)

Once you get placed into the field of 32 they no longer look at what pool you came from. They place you purely on your merits (except for the West Coast). In that regard St. Norbert will end up at #8. The only way it doesn't happen is if Benedictine (NAthCon Champ) gets moved placed in the same region (happened in 2008). They have two losses (one against CCIW last place team North Park). St. Norbert might be place ahead of them. They would be placed a head of Benedictine if the Eagles lose to rival Aurora on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:31:29 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 10, 2010, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 10, 2010, 12:24:49 PM
8.5) Monmouth 


;D

What we have here; is a man who clearly cannot claim that he didn't inhale... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 10, 2010, 05:28:14 PM
No how bout this! MWC Final Rankings

1. St. Norbs
2. Tie Monmouth College
         Carroll College
4. Ripon
5. Beloit (anyone that beats SNC and MC in the same season gets the tie breaker)
6. Grinnell (anyone that loses to Knox loses any tie breaker except head to head)
7. IC
8. Knox- not  LF
9. Knox on the rise!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2010, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 10, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2010, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 10, 2010, 12:05:07 PM
Ok, why not...I'll throw in my 2 cents.

West Region
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) Wartburg
4) Cal Lutheran
5) Linfield
6) Bethel
7) Coe
8) St. Norbert

I think the IIAC and MIAC will both get 2 teams in while the others all get just their conf. champs into the dance.  Pairings match up the way they should: SNC @ UWW, Coe @ UST, Bethel @ Wartburg, and Linfield gets to visit Cal Lutheran for the second time this season out there in the western time zone.  Of course, all this gets thrown in the trash if UWW gets moved to another region, if Pacific Lutheran would happen to get an invite, or if the NCAA does any other crazy stuff. ;)  Just my thoughts, feel free to tear into them...I promise it won't hurt my feelings...discuss! 8-)

I look at that and hope as a conference champion, SNC gets moved up ahead of a second-place finisher and avoids Whitewater...  ;)

Once you get placed into the field of 32 they no longer look at what pool you came from. They place you purely on your merits (except for the West Coast). In that regard St. Norbert will end up at #8. The only way it doesn't happen is if Benedictine (NAthCon Champ) gets moved placed in the same region (happened in 2008). They have two losses (one against CCIW last place team North Park). St. Norbert might be place ahead of them. They would be placed a head of Benedictine if the Eagles lose to rival Aurora on Saturday.

Oh, I know it's wishful thinking...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coco on November 10, 2010, 06:20:45 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 10, 2010, 12:05:07 PM
Ok, why not...I'll throw in my 2 cents.

West Region
1) UW-Whitewater
2) St. Thomas
3) Wartburg
4) Cal Lutheran
5) Linfield
6) Bethel
7) Coe
8) St. Norbert

I think the IIAC and MIAC will both get 2 teams in while the others all get just their conf. champs into the dance.  Pairings match up the way they should: SNC @ UWW, Coe @ UST, Bethel @ Wartburg, and Linfield gets to visit Cal Lutheran for the second time this season out there in the western time zone.  Of course, all this gets thrown in the trash if UWW gets moved to another region, if Pacific Lutheran would happen to get an invite, or if the NCAA does any other crazy stuff. ;)  Just my thoughts, feel free to tear into them...I promise it won't hurt my feelings...discuss! 8-)

I like it.
Who ever has to play Whitewater in the first round has my sympathy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: old 40 on November 10, 2010, 09:17:32 PM
My guesses fir the last week of the regular season.

AU@CUC- "Game of the Week". AU's D has it going but can they stop the machine on O? If they can run the ball they will eat up time and will win. AU wins 28-27 in a barn burner.

CUW@LC- CUW has come on as of late and has to much D for LC. CUW wins 24-18.

MBBC@RC- RC is home and has a slight advantage. RC wins a defensive struggle 9-6.

BU@WLC- IMHO it's a trap game for BU. WLC can't make it to the playoffs and plays this game like a championship game for them. WLC wins 21-20.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: old 40 on November 10, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
My apologies for the wrong post. My fat fingers hit the wrong key. Good Luck to your teams this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2010, 09:34:36 AM
No worries, old 40.   We are used to senile seniors on this board.....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 11, 2010, 11:39:52 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 10, 2010, 05:28:14 PM
No how bout this! MWC Final Rankings

1. St. Norbs
2. Tie Monmouth College
         Carroll College
4. Ripon
5. Beloit (anyone that beats SNC and MC in the same season gets the tie breaker)
6. Grinnell (anyone that loses to Knox loses any tie breaker except head to head)
7. IC
8. Knox- not  LF
9. Knox on the rise!


Ripon beat Carroll but lost to MC, and MC beat both, so I would say more of a tie for 3rd place with Ripon and Carroll, if we were to imply tie-breakers not records.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 10, 2010, 05:28:14 PM
No how bout this! MWC Final Rankings

1. St. Norbs
2. Tie Monmouth College
         Carroll College
4. Ripon
5. Beloit (anyone that beats SNC and MC in the same season gets the tie breaker)
6. Grinnell (anyone that loses to Knox loses any tie breaker except head to head)
7. IC
8. Knox- not  LF
9. Knox on the rise!



did you kick Lawrence up to the WIAC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Anybody that beats SNC and MC should be in the play offs. I think expanding to 33 teams is in order. Just put them up against a weak Pool A whose regular season is complete and play this Saturday as sort of a play in game. Maybe even hold it at a neutral site, like Austin TX so those folks could see some real football for a change  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 12, 2010, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 11, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Maybe even hold it at a neutral site, like Austin TX so those folks could see some real football for a change  ;)

Your attempt to engage me is too obvious to deserve a quality response.  I cannot take time from the development of my manifesto to respond to this.  Raise your game, or don't play.  If you wanna be a big dog, y'gotta learn to pee in the tall grass... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 12, 2010, 11:06:51 AM
No I did not forget Lawrence they simply did not make the poll.  Plus how can Knox be on the rise if someone wasn't ranked below them. Lawrence peaked for the season after their first half against MC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 12, 2010, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 12, 2010, 11:06:51 AM
No I did not forget Lawrence they simply did not make the poll.  Plus how can Knox be on the rise if someone wasn't ranked below them. Lawrence peaked for the season after their first half against MC.
Profound and well supported logic.  Now, as for Blueboy Nation's place on the list...  Stop hatin'! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 12, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 12, 2010, 11:06:51 AM
No I did not forget Lawrence they simply did not make the poll.  Plus how can Knox be on the rise if someone wasn't ranked below them. Lawrence peaked for the season after their first half against MC.

I dunno.... at Lawrence isn't last in both all-sport standings - Knox is....
http://midwestconference.org/sports/2010/7/27/GEN_0727102928.aspx

No where to go but up for the Siwash!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 12, 2010, 12:39:17 PM
According to the All-Sport standings points given out for football, the final conference rankings went like this:

1. St. Norbert
2. Monmouth
3. Ripon
4. Carroll
5. Grinnell
6. Beloit
7. Illinois College
8. Lake Forest
9. Lawrence
10. Knox

Quote from: Moncolfan on November 12, 2010, 11:06:51 AM
No I did not forget Lawrence they simply did not make the poll.  Plus how can Knox be on the rise if someone wasn't ranked below them. Lawrence peaked for the season after their first half against MC.

Maybe KnoxOnTheRise refers to cross country as they moved from 8th in '09 to 7th in '10.  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 12, 2010, 02:28:54 PM
Blu I can tell you just two weeks prior I had IC in a virtual tie for first after beating Ripon. It was a long hard fall in the past two weeks.  Remember its not how you start but how you finish. That will be the true test of your chili as well. In regards to Knox I believe early in their history they were looking for a suitable name to go along with "The Prairie". They came up with fire but since they really haven't been hot in anything for over a decade now I suggest a name change is in order. I suggest either the Prairie Dogs or the Prairie Dough.  The Dogs is pretty self explanatory, however, the Dough would give justification for the "Knox on the rise" proponents. If I was a bit more tech savy I would post one of those polls as to what Knox's new name should be. Are there any other suggestions? Maybe if we get a few others Roop would be kind enough to post a poll for us.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 12, 2010, 03:48:25 PM
First, never encourage Roop... ;D 

Second, my complaint was more tongue in cheek.  I'm pretty old school.  When you don't show up, you aren't deserving.  I don't coach or play for the Blueboys.  I only saw the game on-line, but IMHO, they really didn't show up and play to the best of their abilities.  Thus, a drop from 2 to 7 is not unfair.  That is why on my "mini-manifesto", I stressed that winning is an attitude.  I have some insight in to the potential for the development of a winning attitude.  Call it a historical perspective. Your assessment is not being challenged, here.  But mark this down: I don't see what happened at the end of this season, happening next season. ;) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 12, 2010, 04:22:00 PM
Blu I agree with you 100%.  I don't see that happening either because there is no way IC will be tied for the conference lead with two weeks to go.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
Why stop at a Mascot name change ? Change the school name too. I can see it now....... The Jacksonville Jack Everyones
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 12, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 12, 2010, 04:22:00 PM
Blu I agree with you 100%.  I don't see that happening either because there is no way IC will be tied for the conference lead with two weeks to go.

Absolutely! I agree.  It'll be an outright lead... ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 12, 2010, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 12, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
Why stop at a Mascot name change ? Change the school name too. I can see it now....... The Jacksonville Jack Everyones

Hey! Don't go there.  Nobody messes with Jack... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2010, 05:14:28 PM
Maybe you don't know Jack..............  :D

I think I've got a poll that will allowed to stay up. Gimme a minute or two.






Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2010, 05:26:40 PM
As a control, to not skew the data, I will not participating.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 12, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
I voted for the Mt Union option....

No sense in complaining about SNC's likely #8 seed...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2010, 08:56:33 PM
Given MC's tough playoff match-up last year, and likely another challenging bracket for them in the playoffs next year, I'm inclined to argue for the robust West bracket.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 13, 2010, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2010, 08:56:33 PM
Given MC's tough playoff match-up last year, and likely another challenging bracket for them in the playoffs next year, I'm inclined to argue for the robust West bracket.   ;)

I'm new at all this.  So, Scottie, with an at-large bid, will the Scots get an even tougher match-up than the Blueboys will with their MWC championship seeding?  This is important as I develop my manifesto...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2010, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 13, 2010, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2010, 08:56:33 PM
Given MC's tough playoff match-up last year, and likely another challenging bracket for them in the playoffs next year, I'm inclined to argue for the robust West bracket.   ;)

I'm new at all this.  So, Scottie, with an at-large bid, will the Scots get an even tougher match-up than the Blueboys will with their MWC championship seeding?  This is important as I develop my manifesto...

Wait - did I miss an NIT being formed for D3? Because St. Norbert will be going to the NCAA tournament again next year. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 13, 2010, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2010, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 13, 2010, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2010, 08:56:33 PM
Given MC's tough playoff match-up last year, and likely another challenging bracket for them in the playoffs next year, I'm inclined to argue for the robust West bracket.   ;)

I'm new at all this.  So, Scottie, with an at-large bid, will the Scots get an even tougher match-up than the Blueboys will with their MWC championship seeding?  This is important as I develop my manifesto...

Wait - did I miss an NIT being formed for D3? Because St. Norbert will be going to the NCAA tournament again next year. ;)


Puck: You would be well-advised to seize the day.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2010, 06:41:15 PM
The d3football.com projection has SNC at Wartburg ... part of the St. Thomas bracket. Must make the Green Knights  a 7 seed and the orange Knights  a 2 seed.

Regardless, it's not Whitewater.

HALLELUJAH!

I hope Pat & crew is right!
(http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/football-projection-2010.pdf)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 13, 2010, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 13, 2010, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2010, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 13, 2010, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2010, 08:56:33 PM
Given MC's tough playoff match-up last year, and likely another challenging bracket for them in the playoffs next year, I'm inclined to argue for the robust West bracket.   ;)

I'm new at all this.  So, Scottie, with an at-large bid, will the Scots get an even tougher match-up than the Blueboys will with their MWC championship seeding?  This is important as I develop my manifesto...

Wait - did I miss an NIT being formed for D3? Because St. Norbert will be going to the NCAA tournament again next year. ;)


Puck: You would be well-advised to seize the day.   :D

Sound advice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 14, 2010, 08:37:58 AM
The new projected bracket has St. Norbert @St. Thomas. We'll see what actually happens this afternoon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 14, 2010, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 14, 2010, 08:37:58 AM
The new projected bracket has St. Norbert @St. Thomas. We'll see what actually happens this afternoon.

Any chance there can be 4 Texas teams?  My Horns are looking for some post season action. :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 14, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
WOW!  WOW! WOW!

That was not in anyone's wildest predictions.

North Central
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2010, 03:35:07 PM
Agreed. Anyone would be a tough draw - just glad its not either purple power.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 14, 2010, 03:37:42 PM
puckfan, what you may not realize also we live less than 30 minutes from North Central.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2010, 03:40:34 PM
Oh, so it's all about you. If I convince the boss, you'd better have the tailgate all ready!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 14, 2010, 04:30:33 PM
Come on St. Norbert, show some spunk and pull the upset!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 14, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
I think SNCOLDAD bribed the committee.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 14, 2010, 06:08:12 PM
After last year, I wasn't going to take any chances!!!     ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: T_Unit14 on November 15, 2010, 12:13:53 AM
I'd love to see SNC pull off the upset...good luck in the playoffs!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2010, 12:36:56 AM
Good luck to all of the GreenDads and the GreenDaddyBabies!  Almost worth a road trip to the burbs to tailgate in style for at least the first round.  Not sure I'd be willing to go to Whitewater or Alliance, OH for round two.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bballer1280 on November 15, 2010, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 14, 2010, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 14, 2010, 08:37:58 AM
The new projected bracket has St. Norbert @St. Thomas. We'll see what actually happens this afternoon.

Any chance there can be 4 Texas teams?  My Horns are looking for some post season action. :'(

How is Mack Brown handling the pressure of being the coach of this disappointing Longhorns this season?  How are the Texas faithful handling the situation as well?  Is Mack on the "hot seat" at all? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2010, 01:20:15 PM
I'm sure he can coach at another level.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 15, 2010, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2010, 01:20:15 PM
I'm sure he can coach at another level.  ;)


Not so fast! I think we've earned the right to see if we  can, in fact, compete @ DIAA. Let's not be so quick to go DII.  But you've definitely upgraded your photo... ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2010, 03:31:12 PM
Changed my mind. How about the NAIA  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 15, 2010, 03:53:44 PM
That is a rash assumption that we would want them in D3.  :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 15, 2010, 06:08:18 PM
Blu you have really come up with some real doozies this year but somehow I skipped over your best post. I don 't know how, but it appears I missed your post season analysis of  IC's season,and your philosophical rants for the upcoming years of this juggernaut program in the making. Its one thing to be confident and optimistic but you don't honestly believe any of that crap do you? I mean c'mon everyone knows that Texas literally leads the world in the production of Bull$&!% but it was assumed the cattle industry was responsible for it. Who knew that one human was the actual source. By the way how is next year's recruiting class shaping up??? You probably got a pretty good look at them on one of the webcasts standing on the sidelines in their high school letter jackets eating blueboy burgers. I'm guessing that doesn't quite provide the information that watching them move into their dorms does, but certainly with your knowledge base you can give us some initial impressions. Finally my last question for the year is........ can and will anyone be able to replace IC's sure to be all-conference quarterback from this season! I'm betting that the defensive coordinators of the MWC are already having sleepless nights wondering the same. (Although we learned how good i was at betting this year!) ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: East Beast on November 15, 2010, 07:34:39 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on November 07, 2010, 01:15:39 PM
Great game for the Hawks yesterday, good way to end an up and down season, and its always good to beat the Larrys.  Ripon dominated both sides of the ball all game.  Their offense threw 10 times! So no wonder we put up 63 points.  No matter the records the Ripon-LU game is always littered with personal foul penalties which makes the game interesting, a fun rivalry game. 

I was there, I am a big hoops fan for LU but hardly ever go to FB.  I thought Ripon was classless in victory.  Running a fake up over 40 points is bush league. Period.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 15, 2010, 08:33:13 PM
Yup.  I believe it.  I live it every day.  I have my thoughts on who should be QB next year, but this is not the forum for that.  My thoughts on the subject don't matter, anyway.  Oh, and BTW, there's a lot more where that came from...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2010, 10:20:36 PM
Hey, folks -- our friends at d3photography.com (not part of the network, but a partner) is hosting D3football.com's bracket challenge this season. Go sign up and fill out a bracket at:
http://www.d3photography.com/pickem/

As usual no prizes, which protects student-athletes and coaches from NCAA issues.

This season, one sign-up gets you access to all bracket challenges -- no more signing back up for D3hoops.com brackets in the spring.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on November 16, 2010, 11:12:10 AM
Quote from: East Beast on November 15, 2010, 07:34:39 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on November 07, 2010, 01:15:39 PM
Great game for the Hawks yesterday, good way to end an up and down season, and its always good to beat the Larrys.  Ripon dominated both sides of the ball all game.  Their offense threw 10 times! So no wonder we put up 63 points.  No matter the records the Ripon-LU game is always littered with personal foul penalties which makes the game interesting, a fun rivalry game. 

I was there, I am a big hoops fan for LU but hardly ever go to FB.  I thought Ripon was classless in victory.  Running a fake up over 40 points is bush league. Period.

Its Ripon....I mean do you really expect class from Ripon?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 16, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  HAHAHA..  I take a few weeks off from the board and I come back and see that LU Fan's figured out how to use a computer?  I guess they do take breaks from blowing..................... their instruments.

The SCORE at the time of Ripon's fake field goal has nothing to do with anything. It was Ripon's FIRST DRIVE of the second half. They lined up to actually kick a field goal. Based on LU's FG block alignment, an automatic fake was audibled to because they weren't coving for the fake. Was Ripon supposed to let them block the field goal on their FIRST POSSESSION of the second half? After that possession and score, EVERY offensive starter was pulled, and the second and third team offense scored two more TD's against LU's first team defense. The last RC TD was with 13:33 still to go in the game. What were the RC reserves supposed to do, kneel down the ball for 13 minutes? Punt on first down? This is college football. You don't ask players to play less than as hard as they can. There was nothing classless about anything Ripon did that day. It wasn't Ripon's job to stop Ripon, it was LU's. Just like it was Indiana's job to stop Wisconsin, not Wisconsin's job to stop Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 16, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
Redhawk MC heard a lot of the same talk last year after their big wins. I made a point to say sometimes the losing team has to be the one to throw in the towel. That Punt Block sounds  like the times in Basketball when a team pulls their starters only to see the other team start pressing the subs with their 1st team  to make the score close. A lot of crying from fans about MC doing that last year when in fact the starters were pulled after half in at least three games.  The one game that they were left in was St. Norberts but thing was is they never pulled their starters either.  In this year's game I know MC started using some subs when it was 34-0. Granted they didn't pull their entire 1st team but they weren't crying about the score getting rung up either. The coaches knew the game was over at that point what does it matter- a butt whooping is just that. Did it really matter that Wisconsin scored 80,70 or 60 against the whose ears? Its college! It was really funny to see the LU kids talking smack during the MC game especially at half when they were winning- Knox does the same crap even when they aren't winning  I 'm guessing their highlight film is full of personal foul penalties because thats the only time they appear to hit hard. Just edit out the penalty flag being tossed and  you'll have Knox's biggest hits of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 16, 2010, 07:47:11 PM
I think it's great the MWC has Knox and Larry.  It gives those whose season's once showed great promise, but then spit the bit, someone to bag on.  I bet y'all used to steel the fat kid's lunch money too...  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 16, 2010, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 16, 2010, 07:47:11 PM
I think it's great the MWC has Knox and Larry.  It gives those whose season's once showed great promise, but then spit the bit, someone to bag on.  I bet y'all used to steel the fat kid's lunch money too...  ::)

Did your lunch money get stolen a lot? :o ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: East Beast on November 16, 2010, 09:49:38 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on November 16, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
;D ;D ;D  HAHAHA..  I take a few weeks off from the board and I come back and see that LU Fan's figured out how to use a computer?  I guess they do take breaks from blowing..................... their instruments.

The SCORE at the time of Ripon's fake field goal has nothing to do with anything. It was Ripon's FIRST DRIVE of the second half. They lined up to actually kick a field goal. Based on LU's FG block alignment, an automatic fake was audibled to because they weren't coving for the fake. Was Ripon supposed to let them block the field goal on their FIRST POSSESSION of the second half? After that possession and score, EVERY offensive starter was pulled, and the second and third team offense scored two more TD's against LU's first team defense. The last RC TD was with 13:33 still to go in the game. What were the RC reserves supposed to do, kneel down the ball for 13 minutes? Punt on first down? This is college football. You don't ask players to play less than as hard as they can. There was nothing classless about anything Ripon did that day. It wasn't Ripon's job to stop Ripon, it was LU's. Just like it was Indiana's job to stop Wisconsin, not Wisconsin's job to stop Wisconsin.

That's a pretty good rationalization.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ncc_fan on November 17, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
Hello!  Are there any St. Norbert fans around here?  
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 17, 2010, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: ncc_fan on November 17, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
Hello!  Are there any St. Norbert fans around here?  

There are usually a couple of them around here, not sure what's going on with them though.  I would've expected them to talk up the game, at least a little bit anyways.  What's the deal fellas?!  I thought the Knights were excited to see North Central rather than Whitewater or St. Thomas in the first round?! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 17, 2010, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on November 16, 2010, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 16, 2010, 07:47:11 PM
I think it's great the MWC has Knox and Larry.  It gives those whose season's once showed great promise, but then spit the bit, someone to bag on.  I bet y'all used to steel the fat kid's lunch money too...  ::)

Did your lunch money get stolen a lot? :o ;D :D ;)
I think if we met you'd be quick to realize that I never missed a lunch... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2010, 05:46:08 PM
Baratti and Padilla have been named Co-Defensive Players of the Year. Not sure how there can be Co-Anything when the head to head match up was 42-27  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 17, 2010, 08:55:43 PM
Full All-Conference Release:
http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2010/News/FB_AC_10.pdf (http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/football/2010/News/FB_AC_10.pdf)

# of Selections/Team:

1. Carroll U: 15
2. St. Norbs: 12
   Beloit: 12
4. Ripon: 9
5. Grinnell: 7
6. Monmouth: 6
   Illinois C: 6
   Lake Forest: 6
9. Lawrence: 2
10. Knox
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2010, 09:11:29 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 17, 2010, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: ncc_fan on November 17, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
Hello!  Are there any St. Norbert fans around here?  

There are usually a couple of them around here, not sure what's going on with them though.  I would've expected them to talk up the game, at least a little bit anyways.  What's the deal fellas?!  I thought the Knights were excited to see North Central rather than Whitewater or St. Thomas in the first round?! ;)

Yes, I am excited to face NC and not a purple power. However, I don't see a reason to go running off at the mouth. They are clearly a strong team and SNC will have its work cut out for it.




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 17, 2010, 09:32:00 PM
good thing i dont like karma points  ::) ???  gotta be some sour LU fans out there still..... ;)

Heres a little math equation:
7 days + (63-7 win) = -6 karma 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
puckfan, I am with you. Gentlemen, and in some cases I use that term loosely, first of all I do have a job that once in a while gets in the way of spending time on this forum. The last couple weeks this has been the case. Next, for those of you that have been around to read my little posts that mean nothing, I do not start in with trash talking. I leave that to the guys in the trenches that deserve to do that from all the crap that is handed out on the lines.

Am I glad we are at North Central? Sure why not. I am glad we are the representatives of the MWC. I truly believe we earned it and that we are the best team to represent the MWC this year.

Is it going to be a tough game. Are GEICO commercials getting old?   :D

But the most important fact is that I am very happy for and extremely proud of my son.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/knight-and-day?dec=/printer-decorator

I know they are preparing and no matter the score, I expect SNC GREEN KNIGHTS to do the MWC proud on Saturday.

Is anyone else on this board attending the game?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: Redmen09 on November 17, 2010, 09:32:00 PM
good thing i dont like karma points  ::) ???  gotta be some sour LU fans out there still..... ;)

Heres a little math equation:
7 days + (63-7 win) = -6 karma 


-6 karma = you beat the horse 6 times after it was dead. You don't like Lawrence. WE GET IT !!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 17, 2010, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
puckfan, I am with you. Gentlemen, and in some cases I use that term loosely, first of all I do have a job that once in a while gets in the way of spending time on this forum. The last couple weeks this has been the case. Next, for those of you that have been around to read my little posts that mean nothing, I do not start in with trash talking. I leave that to the guys in the trenches that deserve to do that from all the crap that is handed out on the lines.

Am I glad we are at North Central? Sure why not. I am glad we are the representatives of the MWC. I truly believe we earned it and that we are the best team to represent the MWC this year.

Is it going to be a tough game. Are GEICO commercials getting old?   :D

But the most important fact is that I am very happy for and extremely proud of my son.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/knight-and-day?dec=/printer-decorator

I know they are preparing and no matter the score, I expect SNC GREEN KNIGHTS to do the MWC proud on Saturday.

Is anyone else on this board attending the game?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

I don't normally read/follow the MWC board, but that all changed when a crazy, BLU sky Texan entered the mix.   ;D  Now that there is entertainment.....I don't care WHO you are!

SNC....congrats to you regarding your son.  Here's hoping he and his teammates have a good play-off experience...win or lose.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2010, 10:56:32 PM
Don't feed the skunk, skunk. LOL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 18, 2010, 11:58:03 AM
Wow MC with only 6 all conference players (5 positional) while Carroll has 15??? I know with the victor goes the spoils but didn't St. Norbert's win the conference??? Didn't they kinda clobber Carroll. MC doesn't even get honorable mention picks? Defensive players with 15 tackles in 9 games and 1 TFL are all conference???? I know stats don't say it all and kids get doubled teamed and play injured etc but c'mon. MC did tie for 2nd didn't they?? Man beating Carroll had to be the greatest upset of all-time with their superior talent.  How about a kid that was 2nd team  all conference last year has just as good of a year and doesn't even show up on the HM list?Oh well I don't know how the process works maybe coaches have to nominate etc or the rest of the coaches were just tired of MC dominating the list, but I expect it will just be some added motivation for MC next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 18, 2010, 12:01:22 PM
Oh and by the way congrats to SNC dad on your son and good luck in the playoffs. I know many MC fans will be rooting for you on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2010, 09:11:29 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 17, 2010, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: ncc_fan on November 17, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
Hello!  Are there any St. Norbert fans around here?  

There are usually a couple of them around here, not sure what's going on with them though.  I would've expected them to talk up the game, at least a little bit anyways.  What's the deal fellas?!  I thought the Knights were excited to see North Central rather than Whitewater or St. Thomas in the first round?! ;)

Yes, I am excited to face NC and not a purple power. However, I don't see a reason to go running off at the mouth. They are clearly a strong team and SNC will have its work cut out for it.

Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
puckfan, I am with you. Gentlemen, and in some cases I use that term loosely, first of all I do have a job that once in a while gets in the way of spending time on this forum. The last couple weeks this has been the case. Next, for those of you that have been around to read my little posts that mean nothing, I do not start in with trash talking. I leave that to the guys in the trenches that deserve to do that from all the crap that is handed out on the lines.

Am I glad we are at North Central? Sure why not. I am glad we are the representatives of the MWC. I truly believe we earned it and that we are the best team to represent the MWC this year.

Is it going to be a tough game. Are GEICO commercials getting old?   :D

But the most important fact is that I am very happy for and extremely proud of my son.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2010/knight-and-day?dec=/printer-decorator

I know they are preparing and no matter the score, I expect SNC GREEN KNIGHTS to do the MWC proud on Saturday.

Is anyone else on this board attending the game?

GO GREEN KNIGHTS

puckfan & DAD - Come on guys...take the bait already! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2010, 01:34:16 PM
I'm trying to fly the MWC Banner on the CCIW Board but all they talk about is the show down with Whitewater. Lets prove them wrong in the first round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2010, 01:46:02 PM
Come on Roop. "I think NCC will take this one 38-17"    :P

Please let them talk about their future showdown with UWW. I want them thinking about that game. Do not do us any favors and get them thinking about this Saturday's game.  :D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 18, 2010, 02:29:36 PM
apparently the game will be streamed live on the local cable access channel:
http://www.nctv17.com/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2010, 02:32:42 PM
I'm just setting traps SNCOLDAD, hush hush.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 18, 2010, 03:54:20 PM
 ;D

Puck, you are correct. There is both the local cable that has a web feed as well as a local radio station that has a web feed.

I have to tell you, I am getting psyched. 3 players on NCC played with my son in high school. The only rule I am telling the locals coming to watch is if you tailgate with me, you are cheering for SNC!


GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 18, 2010, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 18, 2010, 11:58:03 AM
Wow MC with only 6 all conference players (5 positional) while Carroll has 15??? I know with the victor goes the spoils but didn't St. Norbert's win the conference??? Didn't they kinda clobber Carroll. MC doesn't even get honorable mention picks? Defensive players with 15 tackles in 9 games and 1 TFL are all conference???? I know stats don't say it all and kids get doubled teamed and play injured etc but c'mon. MC did tie for 2nd didn't they?? Man beating Carroll had to be the greatest upset of all-time with their superior talent.  How about a kid that was 2nd team  all conference last year has just as good of a year and doesn't even show up on the HM list?Oh well I don't know how the process works maybe coaches have to nominate etc or the rest of the coaches were just tired of MC dominating the list, but I expect it will just be some added motivation for MC next year.
I thought it was odd about the HM's also.  Last season there were 56 players named honorable mention to only 20 this year.  Not sure why they went soup nazi on the honorable mention spots this year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 18, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 18, 2010, 01:34:16 PM
I'm trying to fly the MWC Banner on the CCIW Board but all they talk about is the show down with Whitewater. Lets prove them wrong in the first round.

Good luck to the Green Knights.  As much as I would draw EXTREME satisfaction in seeing UW-W going to NCC and showing the selection committee the errors of it's ways, I can't bring myself to root for an Illinois school against a Wisconsin school.  ;D

Go Knights!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 19, 2010, 12:19:58 AM
There was some shuffling with the brackets this year but how the #1 in the country doesn't get a #1 in the seedings still baffles me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 19, 2010, 07:23:54 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 19, 2010, 12:19:58 AM
There was some shuffling with the brackets this year but how the #1 in the country doesn't get a #1 in the seedings still baffles me.

As near as I can tell, it boils down to 2 things:

1) remember that the polls don't mean anything and have no impact on the selection or seeding process (unlike, for example, the BCS)

2) UWW's playing NAIA foes hurt their 'score'
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
3.  The selection committee was clueless and didn't know the WARHAWKS and NCC had a common opponent, Eau Claire.

4.  After years of not following their published guidelines the selection committee set a precedent and followed them this year.


Just thought I'd add a couple of factors
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 19, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
3.  The selection committee was clueless and didn't know the WARHAWKS and NCC had a common opponent, Eau Claire.

4.  After years of not following their published guidelines the selection committee set a precedent and followed them this year.


Just thought I'd add a couple of factors

As an SNC fan, I wish #4 could have been started last year...  >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 19, 2010, 11:34:21 AM
SNC would have been a one and done last year. This year I think they have a chance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 19, 2010, 02:09:02 PM
I realize that all conference is not the biggest deal in the world but I really was just curious on how the teams are selected.Not to beat a dead horse but Carroll with 15? and Beloit with 12? While I know some of these kids are deserving how does a defensive player with 15 taclkes and 1 TFL make it? I don't care if the kid was tripled teamed all year you should do better than that in 9 conference games. How many all conference selections did MC have who dominated the conference last year have??? Don't remember but I don't think they had 15 and that included more than twice the number of HM picks. Well anyway good luck to Carroll in the playoffs tomorrow with your whole team basically making all conference you should be a shoo in oops wait a minute thats right SNC won conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 19, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Just layin in the weeds boys. Just layin in the weeds.  ;D


Roop and blu..... +K for youe efforts in that "Bad Neighborhood"



GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: NCC.2008 on November 19, 2010, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 19, 2010, 11:34:21 AM
SNC would have been a one and done last year. This year I think they have a chance.

You can't be serious
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 19, 2010, 04:15:02 PM
As serious of a chance as you guys have of beating UWW even with your gift #1 seed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 19, 2010, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 19, 2010, 02:09:02 PM
I realize that all conference is not the biggest deal in the world but I really was just curious on how the teams are selected.Not to beat a dead horse but Carroll with 15? and Beloit with 12? While I know some of these kids are deserving how does a defensive player with 15 taclkes and 1 TFL make it? I don't care if the kid was tripled teamed all year you should do better than that in 9 conference games. How many all conference selections did MC have who dominated the conference last year have??? Don't remember but I don't think they had 15 and that included more than twice the number of HM picks. Well anyway good luck to Carroll in the playoffs tomorrow with your whole team basically making all conference you should be a shoo in oops wait a minute thats right SNC won conference.

Really???  This matters??? ::) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 19, 2010, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 19, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Just layin in the weeds boys. Just layin in the weeds.  ;D


Roop and blu..... +K for youe efforts in that "Bad Neighborhood"



GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Hey, Roop went there.  I just went in to fetch him back.  Thanks for the karma.  I'd lost 10% of my karma w/o even getting on the board.  So much hate out there...  Good luck tomorrow, my friend.  I'll be wearing my "Curd is the Word" t-shirt in support!  (It's the only thing "Wisconsin" I have.) ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 19, 2010, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 19, 2010, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 19, 2010, 02:09:02 PM
I realize that all conference is not the biggest deal in the world but I really was just curious on how the teams are selected.Not to beat a dead horse but Carroll with 15? and Beloit with 12? While I know some of these kids are deserving how does a defensive player with 15 taclkes and 1 TFL make it? I don't care if the kid was tripled teamed all year you should do better than that in 9 conference games. How many all conference selections did MC have who dominated the conference last year have??? Don't remember but I don't think they had 15 and that included more than twice the number of HM picks. Well anyway good luck to Carroll in the playoffs tomorrow with your whole team basically making all conference you should be a shoo in oops wait a minute thats right SNC won conference.

Really???  This matters??? ::)  
I thought it was wierd how the conference decided to cut the number from 50+ down to 20. Maybe looking to put more "honor" into honorable mention
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 19, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 19, 2010, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 19, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Just layin in the weeds boys. Just layin in the weeds.  ;D


Roop and blu..... +K for youe efforts in that "Bad Neighborhood"



GO GREEN KNIGHTS

Hey, Roop went there.  I just went in to fetch him back.  Thanks for the karma.  I'd lost 10% of my karma w/o even getting on the board.  So much hate out there...  Good luck tomorrow, my friend.  I'll be wearing my "Curd is the Word" t-shirt in support!  (It's the only thing "Wisconsin" I have.) ;D  
There have to be some karma hungry people out there stealing it from everyone, ive fluctuated quite a bit the last week and finally reached the negative mark.......

On a side note, good luck to SNCOLSON and the Knights tomorrow, I will be watching via webcast

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 19, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
I didn't SNC would have won a playoff game, but an at-large bid for the conference would have been great - and the first one since the MWC got an AQ.

And don't call me Shirley ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 19, 2010, 09:33:55 PM
Sorry Shirley but I'm a Dr. so you can tell me anything. I just got a copy of NCCs playbook. It was tied to a window and thrown in to my rock garden. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2010, 10:21:27 PM
North Central = MWC safety school.   :o

Good luck junior Packers!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 19, 2010, 10:32:12 PM
Behave scottie. Don't hold everyone to MWC standards. Just because the student athletes in the CCIW can't read or write doesn't mean that they can't make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2010, 10:51:01 PM
"My sources" tell me a certain CCIW team backed out of a game with a certain MWC school to begin this season. Tomorrow, the world will know why.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
I can understand why you might try (since athletics is not working out so well), but may I suggest that trying to play the academics card may not be a winning strategy either. :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2010, 11:25:59 PM
Yeah, well, let us know when Cornell inquires to get into your conference.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2010, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 19, 2010, 11:25:59 PM
Yeah, well, let us know when Cornell inquires to get into your conference.   ;D

We might lower our standards enough to let the NY Cornell in, but the Iowa Cornell .....? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 20, 2010, 12:35:08 AM
I'm staying out of this one...............
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2010, 12:39:18 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 20, 2010, 12:35:08 AM
I'm staying out of this one...............

It is wisdom like that that made you "The Roop". ;D

When someone plays the 'academic card', it tends to get ugly, and rarely is there a winner. :P

Uh oh, just realized it was The Roop who first directly played the academic card (scottie only strongly hinted at it).  The war is on! :o  And The Roop AIN'T out of it. :o

[Truce? ;)]
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 20, 2010, 12:52:04 AM
I have studied your teachings master. Can I join the dark side now ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 20, 2010, 01:09:02 AM
A B C D E F G, H I J K NCC loses. How's that for akademiks ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2010, 01:10:14 PM
graphics hard to read online, but appears SNC down 7-0 in Q1

NC lines look good.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2010, 01:15:33 PM
8:08 left in first quarter, 14-0 Cardinals.

(sighs)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2010, 02:51:41 PM
Now 43-0 Cardinals, 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FishHack76 on November 20, 2010, 03:02:12 PM
50-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FishHack76 on November 20, 2010, 03:37:44 PM
57-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FishHack76 on November 20, 2010, 03:42:58 PM
It took you almost 60 minutes but you finally scored ... way to go.

57-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
And that's indeed the final.

One of these days, the MWC team won't (again) face a #1 seed ...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 20, 2010, 11:07:31 PM
Field goals count as 50 in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2010, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: FishHack76 on November 20, 2010, 03:42:58 PM
It took you almost 60 minutes but you finally scored ... way to go.

57-7

That's the MWC never-say-die spirit!   :D

An early Congrats to next year's preseason top 25 entry........Mt. Beloit.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 21, 2010, 01:15:22 AM
Shhhhhhhhhh. Keep that one under your hat scottie. We need to be under the radar but will pour it on late in the season to get a home game.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 21, 2010, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 21, 2010, 01:15:22 AM
Shhhhhhhhhh. Keep that one under your hat scottie. We need to be under the radar but will pour it on late in the season to get a home game.   

Keep what quiet?  You're gonna get like 4 or 5 home games.  Now if you're talking about playoffs, I think you're forgetting that your, at best, "at large" bid will not likely result in a home game.  The home game birth will go the the MWC champions and he held in Jacksonville.  I just wanna start now so everyone has time to start getting used to the idea... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 21, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
DIII rules prohibit teams from playing neutral site games in the playoffs. So Beloit won't be able to host a game in Jacksonville next year. The retractable dome at Strong Stadium is nearing completion so that's an automatic #1 seed. Traveling won't be an issue for Americas Team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2010, 01:38:43 PM
Blu: A long-distance Congrats for your win over Florida Atlantic yesterday.  That was a good win for ya'll!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 21, 2010, 02:33:17 PM
Florida Atlantic is the D1 equivalent of Illinois College. So I'm not sure Texas accomplished anything noteworthy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 21, 2010, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 21, 2010, 01:38:43 PM
Blu: A long-distance Congrats for your win over Florida Atlantic yesterday.  That was a good win for ya'll!  :)

Still celebrating!!!  ::) 

I'm going to Austin Thursday for the a&m vs. the once proud Horns.  I am not holding out much hope.  Even in down years the farmers get jacked up to play us.  This season, with blood in the water, I'm not brimming with confidence.  I can take losing, but not losing to the Texas School of Animal Husbandry. Could be a long ride home... :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2010, 03:35:49 PM
Saint Mary Catherine's Sisters of the Poor are moving up to DI next year.  If Florida Atlantic doesn't renew the contract, perhaps this will be an option.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 21, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 21, 2010, 03:35:49 PM
Saint Mary Catherine's Sisters of the Poor are moving up to DI next year.  If Florida Atlantic doesn't renew the contract, perhaps this will be an option.

If you slap the bull once, and get away with it, it's not very smart to go back and slap it a second time... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2010, 06:50:48 PM
You're right, Blu.  (Temporarily waiting for lightning to strike me down on the spot for saying that....) :). There's just so much Bull on this board that I get carried away sometimes. :) ;) :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 21, 2010, 10:44:48 PM
There's always Sul Ross St. too. Although that would be like beating Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 08:15:55 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 21, 2010, 06:50:48 PM
You're right, Blu.  (Temporarily waiting for lightning to strike me down on the spot for saying that....) :). There's just so much Bull on this board that I get carried away sometimes. :) ;) :)

No worries.  I've called off the lightning strike.  It's been reassigned to Roop for his sacrilegious Sul Ross remark.  But then again: sun comes up in the east, sets in the west.  You're born, you die.  Roop logs in, pot-stirring incendiary nonsense comes out.  ;) You see the pattern, right???  As for all the BS on the board, what else do we got?  Basketball?  Thanks, but no.  Gotta log off.  Got a manifesto to write...  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 22, 2010, 08:42:31 AM
Hey after watching with other the NCC /St. Norbs game a couple things were clear.  Our conference still has a long long way to go to be competitive come playoff time (although we really just should have sent Carroll despite their record). And it appears that the officiating in the playoffs isn't much better than what there is in the regular season.  I mean three-four of those penalties against NCC were just plain bogus. I don't care what the score is bad calls are just plain bad calls. It just makes you wonder what the score would have been  ::) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 22, 2010, 09:12:48 AM
I agree Moncolfan..  That game just set the MWC back even further on ever getting 2 teams into the playoffs.  What that game showed was that the MWC this year was balanced, there wasn't a team that really over powered the conference, IC grew, no question.  It's going to always be tough for a MWC team to come into the playoffs and have to play such a high ranked school for the first round.  I wasn't able to watch the game, but the score did suprise me a little, I thought/hoped that SNC would have made a game out of it(at least in the first half).  So I stand on my post from the beginning of the season, on how we can get an at large bid, and this year we did not prove ourselves as a conference.  This is in no way a dig on SNC.  So to the MWC players, hit the weights, agility work, and get ready for what I beleive will be a tough MWC in 2011.  My Predictions for 2011 is as follows:

1.RC -
2.SNC
3.MC
4. Carroll
5. IC
6. Grinnell
7.Beloit
8,9,19 - Knox/LF/LU (who cares ;D) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 09:46:41 AM
I'll concede the nonsense argument to you blu but I do take objection to the incendiary part. You have a theory but no proof. I'm not that flammable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 12:32:35 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 09:46:41 AM
I'll concede the nonsense argument to you blu but I do take objection to the incendiary part. You have a theory but no proof. I'm not that flammable.

Your inflamabilitiness ;) will not be a factor when the lightning strikes...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 01:42:57 PM
You passed the lightning strike responsibility over to me. Do you honestly think I would target myself??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 01:42:57 PM
You passed the lightning strike responsibility over to me. Do you honestly think I would target myself??

No Sir. I directed the lightning strike at you. Under no circumstances would I ever arm you. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 03:53:31 PM
Your wording could be taken a couple ways so I think we may need legal counsel on that one. Has UT inked a deal with Sul Ross yet. We'll call it the akademik bowl.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 04:32:02 PM
Maybe. I still think if Beloit doesn't commit 85 penalties and drop 20 passes they beat Ripon by two scores.

They graduate quite a few at key positions so next year we will see how much depth they have. For now I can't argue with Redhawk Sightings 7th place prediction.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 22, 2010, 05:05:25 PM
All I know is that MC is really losing only two -three starters from this years team. Injuries are part of the game.  Ripon fans you are more than entitled to your own opinions but for those of you that actually thought Ripon should have won conference in 08 or 09 you are living in fantasy land.  Until an MWC team either knocks off a highly rated opponent, or a team advances past the second round an at large bid is just a dream
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 05:50:38 PM
Moncol- +K for accepting and stating reality. 

Hawkage- Dude?  Seriously, if my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.  Send me your mailing address so I can send you a crying towel.  Lord, Son!  Nobody cares.  Injuries are part of the game. There's nobody on this board who doesn't have "key injuries" to claim as cause of their team's shortfall.  Like everyone, RC lines up the best they've got (available) against their opponents best (available), the game gets played and the results, posted. 

What's it gonna be next year when IC pimp-slaps you at home? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 06:04:02 PM
If I pull off the transfers I'm working on you won't be an IC fan next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 22, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 22, 2010, 05:05:25 PM
All I know is that MC is really losing only two -three starters from this years team. Injuries are part of the game.  Ripon fans you are more than entitled to your own opinions but for those of you that actually thought Ripon should have won conference in 08 or 09 you are living in fantasy land.  Until an MWC team either knocks off a highly rated opponent, or a team advances past the second round an at large bid is just a dream
Ripon was 5:00 min away from winning conference in '08, so very much a reality there.  '09 was a different story.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2010, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 06:04:02 PM
If I pull off the transfers I'm working on you won't be an IC fan next year.

You're working on blu's son to transfer to Beloit?! :o ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 22, 2010, 07:57:03 PM
RCHawkage... I really hate to get down on you in regards  to your first post, but your "blame" game for the last two years are far off.  To blame the Offense for not getting a conference win is CRAZY...  Look back at the games lost those two years.  I.E - 2008, Monmouth game, 35 points should win you a game, to blame the Offense for not putting up 42 points is pretty crazy.  Each to their own...  I sure hope that you are a senior, god knows how writing on this board as a player isn't a great idea... 

ALSO... Football is an 11 man sport, I can promise you that 2 people do not change 1 side of the ball.  Take the Offense this year, they had their fair share of injuries and still put up the yards and points.  So even though I am not a fan of red on red violence, I think this post needed to be done.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2010, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2010, 06:04:02 PM
If I pull off the transfers I'm working on you won't be an IC fan next year.

You're working on blu's son to transfer to Beloit?! :o ;D

Question:  What's the difference between Roopville and Fantasy Land?

Answer: Fantasy Land is real.

Roop- We discussed this. There's no Taco Bell in Beloit.  It can't happen.  Rules are rules. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
Hawkage-
I'm really not gonna go back and forth with you. You're welcome to say whatever you want, but if you you're going to shoot your cakehole off about my son, do your homework.  Never, not once, have I ever suggested he is the messiah.  He's a player who's going to compete for a job next season.  You can play around with what I write, but, maybe when you're an adult, you'll get that there are lines you don't cross. So until then, be careful. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 22, 2010, 11:10:18 PM
Blu - I think this might be a start to something....That be me taking your side ;D  First let me say that the words that come out of Hawkage, are just that his words, at no point does he actually know what he speaks of.  2nd, great call on the "every team has injuries" that is something that can't be brought up either, hence the MC fan's, they didn't sit and complain all season about their QB being out.  Since you are new to this site, this happens often, where a player finally gets done with his season, now the coaches don't have a grasp on keeping him off the site and he starts running his mouth w/o actually thinking comments through.  So on behalf of RC, I apologize to the board for the flowing river...  Not everyone from RC can be as classy as me ;) :D ;D :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 23, 2010, 03:36:55 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 08:25:27 PM
Roop- We discussed this. There's no Taco Bell in Beloit.  It can't happen.  Rules are rules. 

Road construction on Bus. 51 is complete now and the Taco Bell has re-opened.

Submit the transfer application and financial aid request at the last minute and you get a faster answer. That's just how admissions operates there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 23, 2010, 08:02:01 AM
RS- It's totally cool.  I would never allow the actions/words of one to impact my view of a whole group (except in Scottie's case ;)), as I am hopeful that the whole of Blueboy Nation not be viewed as delusional optimists...  ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 23, 2010, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 23, 2010, 03:36:55 AM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 22, 2010, 08:25:27 PM
Roop- We discussed this. There's no Taco Bell in Beloit.  It can't happen.  Rules are rules. 

Road construction on Bus. 51 is complete now and the Taco Bell has re-opened.

Submit the transfer application and financial aid request at the last minute and you get a faster answer. That's just how admissions operates there.

Until it's on Taco Bell's location listing on their website; no ap.  No deal.  I'm familiar with your work and fully expect you to provide evidence of Taco Bell by posting an enhanced photo of Taco Johns.  I'm on to you... We're all on to you.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 23, 2010, 08:14:39 AM
http://www.tacobell.com/store-locator/?q=53511
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 23, 2010, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 23, 2010, 08:14:39 AM
http://www.tacobell.com/store-locator/?q=53511

You must have not read the fine print.  It has to be within 1 mile of the school.  What's the distance?  We have some wiggle room, but if the addresses for both are shown on Mapquest to be any greater than 1.80 miles, we simply can't consider a move.  Rules are rules...  These are the same Rules IC had to comply with to gain his original commitment. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 23, 2010, 05:52:40 PM
Depending on which dorm you leave from it is between 1.0 and 1.3 miles
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 23, 2010, 10:00:21 PM
I'd include my dogs in the profile pic, but the current one is too perfect.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 24, 2010, 10:12:38 AM
Dogs are okay, but cats?  Really begs some hard questions... ;D  For the record, Jack is not my dog.  He's my grandpuppy.

I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving!  Smoking turkeys today.  Headin' to Austin tomorrow to fry a few, feast, and then head to DKR to watch my Horns get it handed to them.  Nothin' sucks worse that losin to the aggies.  Here's to praying for a miracle. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 24, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 23, 2010, 10:00:21 PM
I'd include my dogs in the profile pic, but the current one is too perfect.   :D

BTW- What is that picture?  I can't make it out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 24, 2010, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: blu thru n thru on November 24, 2010, 10:15:14 AM

BTW- What is that picture?  I can't make it out.

Click on the "Did you mean" part of this.  Another attempt to keep me down.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_(Saturday_Night_Live) ..... inspired during one of my many tantrums against The Man.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 25, 2010, 09:21:15 AM
Hawkage:

Were ifs and buts candy and nuts Christmas would last all year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 25, 2010, 01:19:24 PM
From all of us at Blueboy Nation ;); here's wishing all the MWC faithful a safe and wonderful Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 26, 2010, 08:13:47 AM
Bucs headed for Salem

http://www.beloit.edu/bucs/news/?story_id=302881
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 28, 2010, 08:13:25 AM
Roop?  What's the new photo? How can I mess with ya if I can't tell whet it is?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 28, 2010, 08:19:32 AM
It's a Wen. Americas Chain Saw. It doesn't meet California emissions standards which explains why it runs so well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 29, 2010, 09:01:21 AM
Okay- Thanksgiving's over.  Time to take a break from my manifesto to get some EARLY 2011 predictions.  It'd be easy just to make a list, but I think it's important to defend the positions...

1) IC- Blueboy Nation learned a thing or two in 2010 about beating the bigs.  A youth movement begins taking shape. Coach C. gets a some new dimensions on offense, and a couple healthy RB's, allowing him to open things up.  Some key losses on D are overcome with an athletic and physical soph & junior class.  Beware of the "Brown Bear"... ;)

2) MC- Tanney makes his return (all classes cancelled for the official announcement).  But it's just not enough to offset key losses, including one in J-Ville. Ripon's clock chomping offense keeps the MC offense off the field.  Beloit takes them behind the shed. :o

3) Ripon- Leads the conference in time of possession and yards gained, but only puts up big points on LF, LU, Knox, and MC.  Ripon appeals their 3rd place finish based on poor officiating, bad sportsmanship, and statistical victories... MWC brass turns down their appeal saying their excuses just don't support a favorable decision... With unfavorable decision, students and players assault the board and conference with a barrage of new excuses... Upon further review, the play stands as called on the field... ;D

4) Carroll- No real reasons for placing them at 4.  Just a feeling.  Question: If Carroll wins, and no one's around to talk about it, did it really happen? ;D

5) St. Norbert- The Green Knights only hope in finishing higher than 5 rests on a key O-Lineman (whose father was apparently taken hostage following a 2010 playoff beatdown) taking advantage of an available 5th season (due to technical redshirt eligibility).  

6) Grinnell- Finishes just out of the top half, but takes solace in giving IC their toughest game of the season.  Spends the rest of the season in relative anonymity.  

7) Beloit- The Buc's are unsuccessful in recruiting key players from rival, IC; when the distance between the dorms and Taco Bell is determined to be beyond the 1.8 mile max.  They're forced to play their existing hand, and it just ain't in the cards.  They do celebrate an upset victory against MC, giving IC the MWC crown.  And thus, the MWC finally sends a man in to do a man's job... ;D

8) Knox-  This team is on the rise. Surprises MC with a Turkey Bowl victory.  Fan support doubles to (2).


9-10) Lake Forest & Larry U- Flip a coin. It may be that one time you get to see it land on its side...


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 29, 2010, 09:30:39 AM
Your mapquest information is wrong. They use Eaton Chapel as the starting point and that's not even on campus. Plus, the route they give has one going downtown first and then go north to Taco Bell. Try the intersection of Henry and White. That's where the dorms are and that's the true distance. 1.3 miles at most.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 29, 2010, 09:40:21 AM
Roop, you are assuming that the Wisconsin weather is not a factor in the distance limitation. Bad call on your part when it comes to warm weather Texans!  ;)

And I have been VERY busy blu. No hostage taking around here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 29, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
Well, ah, hmmm. Taco Bell is kinda sort of on a bus route. But if a transfer student, from any state, had to walk from campus it would only be 1.3 miles.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 29, 2010, 12:30:00 PM
Student's from Texas don't ride buses.  They don't walk.  They arrive on campus with sweet Z71 Tahoes and ride in style wherever they need to go...  And using that mode of transport, it's 1.89 miles!  Game over! ;D  I'm still waiting on your predictions... 

SNC- Is your kid returning?  I need to know, I may have to move y'all up to # 2.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 29, 2010, 01:31:32 PM
No comment blu.  8-)

No matter what though, you better move them up. I would hate for you to be embarassed. All thoses non-seniors now have had a taste.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 29, 2010, 02:12:56 PM
How your son has a Z71 is between you and your son. However, the NCAA does check in here from time to time so I'm hoping it's in your name. Parking from north campus to Taco Bell is 1.3 miles. Get over it already.

I've put a word in for your son with the Asst. Dean so don't short me on this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 29, 2010, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 29, 2010, 02:12:56 PM
How your son has a Z71 is between you and your son. However, the NCAA does check in here from time to time so I'm hoping it's in your name. Parking from north campus to Taco Bell is 1.3 miles. Get over it already.

I've put a word in for your son with the Asst. Dean so don't short me on this one.

What?  Don't all players get a car?  I know the players at MC all get Denali's.  At RC, it's a Willys Jeep (slow, dependable, and it eats up a lot of time!). ;) What do the Beloit kids get? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2010, 02:36:33 PM
I kinda almost feel like I should ask you two to take this conversation elsewhere. Enough already?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 29, 2010, 03:11:48 PM
Really don't know what your problem is, but whatever.  Signing off... ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2010, 03:23:25 PM
The running joke was funny for a while, but really ... enough is enough. I thought maybe it would die on its own but since it didn't, I had to put a stop to the silliness.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 29, 2010, 05:13:05 PM
Well Pat, trust me. You stopped it... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 29, 2010, 05:13:53 PM
You never have enough time to cover all the games but you always seem to be able cover all the posts.
Precisely what have blu and I done wrong ?? Discussing article 38, paragraph 12, sub bullet 4811 isn't always that entertaining for most. So we post things that people outside the loop might be interested in.

I'll speak for blu and everyone on this. We love the board. If it's clean leave it alone. And yes. it will go away.

Beloit didn't hire me but I don't take it out on the rest of the conference. Granted the first time was a joke application but I thought I had the next one locked up. Guess I was wrong.

Good evening Sir.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 29, 2010, 05:40:01 PM
Didn't I warn you guys about irrelevant bantering on this site! Guess it was my only prediction that came through this year.  Can't figure out what prediction was more brash though- was it Monmouth winning the conference or that Texas was headed for the Pizza bowl.(Is it Papa John's or Little Caesars) Regardless neither team lived up to the hype and I thought they were both shoo-ins but alas they both underachieved. I am a glutton for punishment so here is how I see next year unfolding; MC and the Horns live up to the hype with MC returning to the D3 playoffs and UT heads to the most prestigious bowl since the days of the weedeater bowl an appearance in the Beef 'o' Brady Bowl.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 29, 2010, 06:43:56 PM
I'm thinking the Pioneer League would take Texas and Monmouth. It's a joke already so how much more harm can be done right ??

Texas St. would then move up to take the Horns spot in the Big whatever it becomes. SLIAC of division 1A if you ask me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2010, 02:19:20 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 29, 2010, 05:13:53 PM
I'll speak for blu and everyone on this. We love the board. If it's clean leave it alone. And yes. it will go away.

You don't speak for everyone on this. This is from my email today, for example:

"Subject: Thank you
For putting an end to blu thru n thru hurting my eyes."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 30, 2010, 06:31:30 AM
I've looked back a couple pages and I'm still not seeing blu's crime. Granted he rarely makes sense but I've heard that said about myself.

If I ran to you every time I didn't like somebody's opinion the server would crash. Come on people. Lighten up.

Now before people get the wrong idea, again, Pat and I are not feuding. We're debating.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 30, 2010, 07:47:35 AM
I don't see where anyone has violated TOS.  The MWC board has been one of the quietest boards on this site.  To see it open up and get a lot of conversation might be a bit different for some, and some might not like all the talk. 

I, for one, have loved following the conversation on here this past season.  It's been a lot of fun on here.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 30, 2010, 08:32:42 AM
I've narrowed it to 3 suspects and contacted the State Department so their passports have been revoked. A cousin of mine worked on Bush 41s staff so I know people. Don't throw at the batters head if you are going to bat yourself.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 30, 2010, 08:59:49 AM
I'm guessing Blu crossed the line with either his Thanksgiving comment or picking IC to win conference. Had to be one or the other.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 30, 2010, 09:02:44 AM
Hi cousin Jane Doe, put a 4th one on the list.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 30, 2010, 09:16:05 AM
OK Guys. I will throw my OLD 2 cents into the fray. And then go back to my day job.  :D

I do not see that anyone was banned from the site.
I do not see that anyone was accused of violating the TOS for the site.
I do not see that anything was said that hurts anyone.

I do see 2 guys searching for a little conversation off topic.
I do see where this might be bothersome to some people. Mainly those that receive an email anytime there is a new post on this forum.
That, I am sure includes Pat as a moderator to make sure that things are not going off the deep end.
I also get an email each time as I am sure do a number of others.

I moderate another web site once in a while and that site had a group that went off on topics of anything rather than what the site was intended. It created a stir and a number of people felt the site had lost its direction and intent. So email notification was stopped by those people. Now you do not get feedback or input from them on a regular basis which is a loss to that website board.

Maybe, just MAYBE, if there is enough interest, Pat can create a separate forum that is for totally off topic discussions but that any of us can join in if we feel the urge. That way if we want notification of posts from that forum or not, we can make the choice.

I personally find it funny the way you 2 go back and forth, and yes, the MWC forum is not the most active. But then again I wonder how active a certain other forum would be without the Johnnie Fans?

I would ask that anyone out there wondering what blu or Roop might have done wrong relax. As far as I know they are not banned from the site (as Roop has shown) and that they are welcome to continue posting. I think that it may have finally gotten to the point where a couple of topics had been beaten into the ground far enough for Pat to ASK them to ease up.

This is extremely difficult to write and not talk as things can be misinterpreted so I hope I have explained what I think may be the point to this whole escapade.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: blu thru n thru on November 30, 2010, 09:37:14 AM
Let me clear this up as I exit the board.  To the best of my knowledge, I wasn't banned.  I don't respond well to being publicly admonished, nor the receipt that my contributions didn't make sense, or weren't positive additions.  I thought I was bringing something fun, keeping it light, stirring up some dialog, and promoting my team.  Apparently, I was wrong.  If I was "hurting someone's eyes" as Pat chose to publicize (adding insult to the injury of his publicly scolding), then my efforts on this site were not being received as, nor bringing the results, intended.  Thus, they will stop. The board can return to what it was.  I guess I just misinterpreted what it was all about.  But Pat, in the future, you may want to handle things more discretely.  That was pretty jacked up...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 30, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
Nice. Somebody has just run off a poster. I'm sure glad the board is that much better now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Sorry -- if you're that sensitive then perhaps a public forum isn't for you. No, nobody was banned, no TOS was violated, just a simple request from the moderator to let the running joke die.

If BNT couldn't participate without that request, well, not much I can say about it.

Thanks, SNCOLDAD, for pointing out some very common-sense reasoning. Moncolfan, as I said already:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2010, 03:23:25 PM
The running joke was funny for a while, but really ... enough is enough. I thought maybe it would die on its own but since it didn't, I had to put a stop to the silliness.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2010, 11:44:29 AM
I thought blu thru n thru was fun to have around and livened up an otherwise ho-hum message board.  But really, if he's that sensitive, that he has to take his ball and go home, then so be it.  I guess Texans aren't as tough as they say.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 30, 2010, 11:45:19 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 30, 2010, 11:44:29 AM
I thought blu thru n thru was fun to have around and livened up an otherwise ho-hum message board.  But really, if he's that sensitive, that he has to take his ball and go home, then so be it.  I guess Texans aren't as tough as they say.

+K

I guess when his son becomes an All-american and IC become Stagg Bowl threats, like blu projects, Pat and the rest of D3football.com just blew their chances at an exlcusive interview  ;).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 30, 2010, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 30, 2010, 11:44:29 AM
I thought blu thru n thru was fun to have around and livened up an otherwise ho-hum message board.  But really, if he's that sensitive, that he has to take his ball and go home, then so be it.  I guess Texans aren't as tough as they say.

Darn, now how will I know how good IC looks moving into the dorms?   ;)   that's just a joke blu don't take it personally
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 30, 2010, 03:48:35 PM
Well I have to defend Blu on one point.  Even though he is a bit delusional at times and his assessment of talent may seem a  bit skewed to some of us, not to mention his chili is sure to suck, one thing he has never done that he has been accused of is brag about his kid or say that he was going to an all american or was the savior for the IC program. I like many on this board have exchanged some barbs with him but there is no need to drag his kid in this or make up things and attribute them to him. One thing I will say for the MWC fans on this board is that we show up even when our teams have had a bad game or even a poor season. We are not bandwagoners or jump to other conference boards bashing their teams or conferences.  Lets see how many Warhawk fans show up in the event they are soundly beaten some day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 30, 2010, 05:17:50 PM
I once ate 10 tacos in 7 min on a bet in my beloved Belwah...college kid has to eat after he has spent his 6 dollars of travel money on barley and hops ;D

I real issue is when will Btown return to its glory days of the early/mid-90s?

Roop--will the admissions/aid office help bring in a roster of 80+---I see Grinnell and Kalamazoo  College (big brain schools) getting their rosters in order...time to kick this pig and get it rolling again....

Side-note-- what is up with the "little general" up at Albion West Campus? Dude owned the Chicago Land Catholic School recruiting scene when he first arrived--now they are getting punched in the mouth again--reminds me of the times of the man with the tie roomed the green and white sidelines---holding his illegal scrimmages while having his team on the wrong side of the stadium--too funny

Side-note II--hey Augustana insiders--which Coach Barnes leaving--will we see a return of Bob Reade's Augie Wing-T---I can see the championships rolling in again...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 30, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Their roster was 34 just a few years ago so it has been getting better. For every 10 valedictorians recruited they let one 3.75 student sneak through the door. If you're an art student a 2.7 usually gets you in but if you're an athlete 3.9 is the usual cut off point.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 30, 2010, 11:05:16 PM
Bring back blu thru and thru, I miss him already.  We haven't had anyone with this much blind faith in their team since Lance Harbor disappeared off the IIAC board a few years ago.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan787 on December 01, 2010, 02:34:54 AM
I am a Monmouth fan. I am a bandwagon poster.  Monmouth had its struggles this year, so I barely posted this year compared to last.  I still read though, in fact I've probably read every post on this board this year.

With that being said, I feel the blu situation is worthy of me coming out of a personal hibernation.  (Hopefully I'm back to bandwagon posting next year when MC is back on top)

How it was handled in a word: poorly.

So much of an overreaction, that it makes me believe there was personal feeling behind it.  That feeling being "I'm sick of seeing this guy posting so much for someone who obviously doesn't know anything about d3 football because he believes what he believes about a middle of the pack MWC school, doesn't he know the MWC has two playoff wins ever and they're not even impressive ones!  Let's look for something to shut him up a little.............'It's not who you lost to, it's who you beat'"

Now I think blu is insane for believing that IC can compete for our "lowly MWC" title in the near future, with their current coach (he's had enough time, I'm not a believer, check how long it took Bell and Purtill), and especially by the end of his son's remaining 3 years.

But...........the guy great for the board.  He kept things active and entertaining, and got along with everyone pretty much.  If you ask most of the regular posters on this board I'd say most would tell you they've enjoyed a harmless banter with him and are glad he was here.  I miss him already and hope he comes back.

Big thing too, as those of you who follow other boards know.  More professional moderators would have definitely handled that with a personal message or email.  You would never see a moderator post a message like that publicly.  It's not even that Pat scolded him bad (because he didn't), or how thick blu's skin is.

Do I think these boards and the site could be run better?  Hell yes.
Do I have a choice of where to go for coverage for the d3 football that I love? Hell no

So I'll keep coming back to try and improve my limited knowledge.

^^^^^^^
Look what happens when I'm board and can't sleep.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 01, 2010, 07:18:33 AM
Gorilla: Roop has scottie locked in a sleeper hold right now
Jessie: Here comes Hulk Hogan with a steel chair
Gorilla: I don't believe it, Hulkster just hit The Roop
Jessie: It's over Monsoon. 1 2 3 scottie got him, scottie got him.
Gorilla: Miscarriage of justice if I ever saw it.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on blu's exit.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 01, 2010, 10:23:26 AM
Hey everyone.  Happy belated Thanksgiving.  Sorry I've been out of the roop-loop.  So....have I missed anything on here lately???   ::)  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 01, 2010, 11:13:51 AM
....Gorilla: That was the worst sneak attack since Pearl Harbor!
The Brain: All of you Ham and Eggers out there have finally seen scottie's and the Hulkster's true colors
....Gorilla:Wait just a minute, is that...it is...that's Duggan's music! Hacksaw Jim Duggan is running down to save the Roop from this savage beating!

Sorry couldn't resist

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2010, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: MWCfan787 on December 01, 2010, 02:34:54 AMYou would never see a moderator post a message like that publicly.  It's not even that Pat scolded him bad (because he didn't), or how thick blu's skin is.

Probably not, but that is how I have moderated this board since opening it in 1999. I find that using the "moderator" username ends up chilling the entire conversation more than it needs to be, and in addition, I'm not going to give up my right to be a Division III football fan and not post on the board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 01, 2010, 12:00:13 PM
Don't make me go all Superfly Scottie Snuka on you!   :o   ;D

(Oh, oh....we've had a few consecutive posts with no mention on the sport of football.  Termination warnings forthcoming.....)  :-X

H E R E  C O M E S  S C O T T I E  F R O M  T H E  T O P  R O P E . . . . K A B O O M ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 01, 2010, 01:08:56 PM
Gorilla: scottie wasn't paying attention and Roop has him in a small package.

1 2 3

Jessie: This is terrible Monsoon
Gorilla: Like it or not Jess. Roop has regained his Intercontinental Title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 01, 2010, 01:58:44 PM
-5 in two days, that's fine. I still have 185 to go
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 01, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
+K to almost everyone involved here!!! ;) :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on December 01, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
Gonna have to side with Pat on this one.  Blue wasn't booted...he could easily still be chatting, he just got his undies in a bunch and took his ball and ran off. 

Seriously, if just telling someone to knock off a joke that was getting old and boring was enough to have him run off in a tizzy.....that's not Pat's or anyone elses fault then Blue....


Maybe he will be back come next football season.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 01, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Gorilla: A masked man has run out from the crowd and don't see security anywhere

Jesse: Monsoon, I don't know who he is, but he looks like he means business...

Gorilla: Oh No! He has just grabbed the bell and he has knocked out the Champ! What is this? He is climbing up to the top rope. Somebody get in there and stop him. No, NO...NO! The masked man has just dropped the bell on The Roop's throat!

Jesse: I think he crushed his larynx there Gorilla!

Gorilla: Who would want to do this devilish deed. Hold on, he is unmasking...........................it's PAT COLEMAN.........NOOOOOOOOOO!

Jesse:  Well Gorilla, he had a message and he delivered it! Somewhere Scottie is smiling.

Gorilla: I want to know where is Blu...where could he be???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on December 01, 2010, 03:21:39 PM
looks like Blue is now Blue Through and Through - how does one go to guest status?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 01, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on December 01, 2010, 03:21:39 PM
looks like Blue is now Blue Through and Through - how does one go to guest status?

Get on Pat's bad side and you'll find out....   ;D

S T O P  T H E  F I G H T ! ! !     S T O O O O P P P   T H E E E E E   F I I I I G H T ! ! ! ! !  :-[  :-X  :-\  :'(  :P  :-[  :-X  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 01, 2010, 04:16:09 PM
Jesse: It's pandamonium Gorilla. Where's referee Earl Hebner.
Gorilla: I don't know Jess but the title can't change hands without one.
Jesse: Here comes Angelina Jolie. Whose side is she gonna be on.
Gorilla: Right now it looks like she's on Roops side as she just planted the lip lock on him.
Jesse: Brad Pitt ain't happy about that and here he comes with a steel chair. Wow, he missed Roop and hit Pat. Down goes Coleman, down goes Coleman. All we need is a ref now.
Gorilla: I think we got one. I don't believe it, it's scottie, it's scottie.

1 2 3

Jesse: It's over. Roop retains the title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on December 01, 2010, 05:21:19 PM
Someone please step in and stop this silliness! This Jesse and Gorilla thing is getting old, it started out being funny but like I said.... plus  everyone knows that pro wrestling is fake. Does anyone remember Howard Cossell saying repeatedly "AND DOWN GOES FRAZIER." That was his second most memorable call he ever made.  Lets fill in the blank for how Blu would like to finish this line "and down goes____________"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2010, 05:54:49 PM
Quote from: scottie on December 01, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on December 01, 2010, 03:21:39 PM
looks like Blue is now Blue Through and Through - how does one go to guest status?

Get on Pat's bad side and you'll find out....   ;D


Actually, Scottie, Blu deleted himself from the system, as he said in his final post. I took no action against anyone, as has already been pointed out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 01, 2010, 06:09:38 PM
That may be true.  But I'm sure you would happily oblige us little folks and wipe out our account if the mood was set just right.  You know, kinda like the mood that The Roop would set with Angelina Jolie.....   ;)  For now, I will go back and sit on my little chair in the corner, if you please, as you reign over the site with great vengeance and fuuuuurious anger. 

For those of you who don't know, here is Pat in his day job.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czb4jn5y94g 

You've been advised.   :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on December 01, 2010, 06:43:38 PM
Ok now I am really confused which one of the guys in that is Pat?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 01, 2010, 07:39:58 PM
Didn't know there were two sets of rules these days. Why don't you go ride a bicycle without a seat. That should meet the guidelines of both.

I can do Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler pretty well if it would make you feel any better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on December 01, 2010, 11:28:23 PM
What would make the MWC board complete, would be a regular contributor from Spring, Texas. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 01, 2010, 11:42:55 PM
Quote from: warthog on December 01, 2010, 11:28:23 PM
What would make the MWC board complete, would be a regular contributor from Spring, Texas. 

That or scottie making sense once.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 02, 2010, 09:49:47 AM
"It's smart. It's a smart line, and a smart crowd will appreciate it. And I'm not going to dumb it down for some bonehead mass audience!" George Costanza
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 02, 2010, 10:36:35 AM
Well, living where I do has its advantages this weekend. 15 minutes from North Central hosting Whitewater. I just might have to go over there. Calling for snow. Wonder who that will help. This has the makings of a great game I think.

Might have to crash some tailgating and wear my St Norbert gear.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 02, 2010, 10:40:16 AM
"It is a show about nothing."


or my personal favorite.......


it's a Festives for the rest of us.....

time Scottie..The Roop..and Pat get the pole for the Feats of strength and start the airing of the grievances!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 02, 2010, 10:52:47 AM
Jesse: Big right hand from the Roopster, another and another.
Gorilla: scottie was a good choice as special guest referee as he's letting things go
Jesse: Look at this. Jennifer Love-Hewitt is coming to the ring with the Dr. of Style Slick.
Gorilla: Roop had Pat pinned but JLH just showed the girls to scottie. Look at this. Slickster just ran Roop face first into the ring post.
Jesse: it's over, it's over. If Pat can turn him over we'll have a new champ Monsoon.

1 2 3

Gorilla: Miscarriage of justice here but Pat Coleman is the new Intercontinental Champion
Jesse: Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 02, 2010, 11:02:16 AM
POST MATCH........

Jesse: Well he is the champ now, he can do what he wants.

Gorilla: He simply needs to stop it. No need for this to continue to go on--can we cut to comercial already?

Jesse: No way Monsoon. Que up that video again....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwXTrodgu-4&feature=related
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 02, 2010, 11:11:24 AM
The rematch

Roop=Ultimate Warrior. Pat =Honky Tonk Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7mPX_q0LwM
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 02, 2010, 11:24:58 AM
Just think of all the work I'm not getting done because I can't look away from this ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 02, 2010, 11:35:51 AM
Jesse: I don't believe it. doolittledog just hit Pat with a monitor from the spanish announce table
Gorilla: I think it's over Jess. 1 2 3

Howard Finkle: The winner of this bout and newwwwwwwwwww Intercontinental Champion. The Roop.

There you go, you're officially involved now. LMAO.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 02, 2010, 11:39:46 AM
Scottie and the girls have left the building!   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 02, 2010, 11:46:11 AM
I didn't let you meet Jennifer so you could take her away from me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 02, 2010, 02:49:40 PM
The Roop has just let me in on the feud with Pat...coming to a moment of clarity....there has to be another way....I think this clip sums everything up pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS7-jcsB_WQ&feature=related



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 02, 2010, 03:14:47 PM
Lemonts first big one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E37lMoZg_eQ
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 02, 2010, 07:06:03 PM
The Roop calling Pat in regards to Blu.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGNW5ltWowA

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 02, 2010, 07:50:20 PM
blu was my paduwan learner, not my son.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 02, 2010, 08:30:38 PM
too all you haters killing my Karma.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S574EBfspo8&feature=related
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 02, 2010, 11:31:14 PM
scottie: Rome has The Roop in a sharpshooter
Moncolfan: Roop just tapped, it's over. Rome is the new Intercontinental Champion
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 03, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
Well the snow is on the way here in Chicago area. North Central will definitely have snow and a reasonable amount by game time. It is coming in overnight and into tomorrow with 3-6 inches. Now to MN and WI schools, this is no big deal. But to a Chicago Suburb school, this could be very interesting. First of all I would not expect that they have normal plans on clearing the field of that much snow. Also what if it is still snowing during the game? Can they keep the lines cleared?

Also, what about the stands? Maybe each fan should bring their own shovel.  ???

I also think that UWW will plan on leaving quite a bit earlier as there is no great route from Whitewater to Naperville.

Well this should be a game to enjoy either in person or on the web. Parking is even going to be a challenge in that area.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2010, 05:19:34 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on December 03, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
Also, what about the stands? Maybe each fan should bring their own shovel.  ???

I think fans on both sides have done plenty of shoveling the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 03, 2010, 06:27:12 PM
Wow. I guess I better go check out the other conference boards and see what is going on. I have NO DOUBT that UWW fans are making it more than knee deep. ( I guess they have earned the right to)  Just came in and no snow yet. May do a post later tonight if it starts.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 04, 2010, 10:42:11 AM
I would say we have about 4 inches of snow 15 miles west of NCC. And is it HEAVY stuff!!!

:o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 06, 2010, 07:51:03 PM
Rumor today coming from Waukesha, WI is that Henny Hiemenz the head coach of Carroll Pioneers was either asked to step down as coach or be fired. He supposedly tendered his resignation after 5 years of being the head coach. He did have two teams in his 5 years at the helm that did post a 7 and 3 record. Obviously there is probably more to it than this, but that is what I was told.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 06, 2010, 10:01:25 PM
Interesting. I guess when you have Beloit, Grinnell and IC passing you by it makes it tough on a coach.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 06, 2010, 10:23:28 PM
I would say Carroll has been in the upper part of the conference the last 5 to 6 years, but has not gotten over that hump of beating one the of the upper teams. Always brought teams to the brink of upsets but unable to finish. I thought Coach Hiemenz did a decent job over his 5 years at head coach, but he has been a coach at Carroll for almost a decade. I wish him the best in the future, and heres to hoping Carroll rights the ship and gets back to competing for  a Conference Championship soon!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 06, 2010, 10:30:13 PM
Well I wish him well also. He seemed to have his team prepared for us most of the time. Last year was a very interesting game. This year was a little different than most though. Where did you hear about this?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 06, 2010, 10:40:12 PM
I'm sure in the next few days it will be posted on Carroll's website, but I have heard from players now and who just graduated that he was asked to submit his resignation or be fired. No specific reason has come up, but I'm sure a few things will surface once the dust clears.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 07, 2010, 09:33:29 AM
Taking the Good Guys to overtime in Week 9 should have been worth a contract extension.  I wonder if this was due to "an unspecified violation of team rules."   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: carrollu62 on December 07, 2010, 10:53:59 AM
hot off the press from waukesha http://athletics.carrollu.edu/news/detail.asp?newsid=3195&teamid=368
I am gonna take it as 7-3 not enough twice in a decade.  Hopefully the d coordinator goes from interim to full time.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 07, 2010, 12:12:33 PM
I'm waiting for hickory_cornhusker to chime in on this one. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on December 07, 2010, 04:51:03 PM
I didn't see this one coming at all. Not going to school there has taken me out of the loop quite a bit. I was on campus yesterday but didn't hear anything about it. Granted I never did ask but when you haven't been there for a couple of months how can you ask "Did anyone get fired/resign recently?" I walked past his office and the door was closed but I didn't think anything of it. He'd sometimes be in the film room or around campus or maybe took the day off.

I have noticed there has been a lot of turnover in coaching at Carroll in recent years. In just the last 24 months they've gotten new head coaches in men's basketball, softball, baseball, volleyball, women's tennis (Craig Mours was the men's tennis coach and took over women's also when Al Preufer stepped down), football and women's soccer. The last two currently have interim coaches. That's 7 of 20. I don't have any information on the cause. The school itself is going through a lot of changes with enrollment growing, the second new resident in 4 years is being built, the general education requirements is being overhauled.

I'd love to know more on the situation, not that I've always come forward on this board with what I knew, but this time I don't have any answers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 07, 2010, 11:13:19 PM
You can't disclose everything people tell you or they stop telling you things. That's the first rule of networking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 07, 2010, 11:29:30 PM
Hickory being an alum of the school myself, I can tell you that the end of the year meetings and evaluations had a big part to do with Henny stepping down as head coach of the program. Meetings were held with the AD to discuss certain things with players and coaches alike, but it came down to certain issues I'm sure consistency with winning was one of them. Coach Mark Krzykowski has taken over on an interim basis, but I'm sure many current and past players would like to see Coach K get the nod as the new head coach. It says Henny had resigned, but took another position within the school not sure if that is an expanded role as a teacher or not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 07, 2010, 11:46:12 PM
Carroll isn't exactly in the best part of town. So my guess is off campus issues are involved somehow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 07, 2010, 11:49:00 PM
Roop, not sure what you mean by that statement by the school being in the best part of town, but I doubt off campus issues had anything to do with Coach Henny stepping down as coach. Where Carroll is located in Waukesha is a pretty nice part of town, not sure if you are from the area or not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 08, 2010, 09:38:38 AM
I wasn't calling out anyone personally, but I was college age at one time and the "not exactly best part of town" always led to lots of fun. Bartenders rarely checked IDs and ladies of questionable character were always around offering in home demonstrations; if you get my drift.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on December 08, 2010, 11:03:53 AM
Geez if you can't do any better than a three way tie for second when over two-thirds of your starters are all-conference you probably deserve what you get.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 08, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
Why do the applicants for the MWC Director of Officials opening need to go through the CCIW Commissioner ?? Seems a little strange given that the MWC has an office of it's own in Ripon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 10, 2010, 11:48:21 AM
D3Football.com 2010 All-West Region Team http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-region/2010/d3football-all-west-region-2010.pdf (http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-region/2010/d3football-all-west-region-2010.pdf)

Congrats to all those from the MWC who were selected.  Gotta say though, I was a little disappointed to see that Fighting Scot WR Matt Shepherd was not chosen for any of the teams. :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on December 10, 2010, 02:12:01 PM
Maverick, I agree also. Congrats to all that were selected. One can only hope that the selection committee was able to view film and receive unbiased input on who to select. I have no doubt that there are people from all conferences that do not agree with all the selections. But it is a task I could not do nor would I want to. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 12, 2010, 10:47:53 PM
Go Beloit Coaching staff......this is the most important season...recruiting!!!

see monmouth......when bell arrived...bring in the numbers

see snc....when purtill arrived...hit up chicago land and bam....the numbers

get the roster to 80+ and big things happen.....

coach bliese will have them rolling!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 13, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
If Cornell is coming to the MWC.... will another team join to return to the North/South format? or will the MWC pull a Big 10 and ignore the math?

Candidates

University of Chicago
Macalester


Anyone have any true insight as mine is speculation and heresy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 13, 2010, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: rome on December 13, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
If Cornell is coming to the MWC.... will another team join to return to the North/South format? or will the MWC pull a Big 10 and ignore the math?

Candidates

University of Chicago
Macalester


Anyone have any true insight as mine is speculation and heresy.

UC would never come as a full member. They like their status with the UAA.  As a football-only member? Possible but not likely.

Macalester will never choose to travel that far for football.

I think they are more likely to drop a school than add a school right now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 13, 2010, 03:48:36 PM
I can't see the MWC adding anyone for just one sport even if Cornell does come in. It would only create scheduling problems in other sports. As for divisional scheduling, I say leave well enough alone. Dropping one would make far more sense but whom would it be and where would they go. Don't see what adding 1 more non-conference football would prove in the immediate future however.

A #7 or #8 seed is what the MWC rep will continue to get until the conference gets better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 15, 2010, 07:03:33 AM
Ok Roop---All-Time Beloit Squad....

My QB nomination---Jeremy Warren...
Safety Spot----Mo Redd--Chris Molnar
RB--Brian Belick, Steve Dixon, Shane Stadler
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 15, 2010, 08:39:08 AM
Quote from: The Roop on December 08, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
Why do the applicants for the MWC Director of Officials opening need to go through the CCIW Commissioner ?? Seems a little strange given that the MWC has an office of it's own in Ripon.

The CCIW, MWC and NAC have teamed up. This position will coordinate officials for all three leagues. Good job of pooling resources by these conferences.  The CCIW just happened to be the one that offered to collect the resumes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 15, 2010, 12:38:58 PM
I figured that one out as I tried but didn't get the job. Only meeting maybe 1 of the 75 criteria kind of doomed me from the start but it never hurts to ask. Still have the email to prove it.

Rome........... You have me at an extreme disadvantage. There is a gap from 1975-2004 where I only saw maybe 5 games. Mainly because I was out of state for 16 of those 29 years. Post 2004 I only get see 1 or 2 games a year as I live too far away. I could only use the media guide and go by record holders to see if any names rang a bell and that would be cheating.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 15, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
roop

oh boo...

thought that would drum up some conversation....oh well

Back to the wrestling re-sets? lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 16, 2010, 12:46:28 AM
Fine.

Elmo Ruffin at Fullback. Bill Watson at halfback. If they held on to the ball way back when, they were in good shape. Nobody threw in DIII at the time so a secondary was irrelevant.

Gorilla: Roopster has Pat in the Roop-a-loop.
Jessie: Look at this. Santa Scottie just flew in and nailed Roopster with a flying candy cane.
Gorilla: I think Pat might have him now. Guest Referee Cindy Margolis never saw it.
Jessie: Cover him Pat, cover him. Shut that little goodie two shoes up and take his title
Gorilla: We could have a new champion Jess

1 2

Jessie: I don't believe it Monsoon. Roopster just kicked out.
Gorilla: Wow, he just nailed Santa Scottie with a left upper cut and the big scotsman is down
Jessie: It's pandemonium
Gorilla: It's the the Insane Clown Posse attacking the Roopster. There's the bell.
Jessie: This terrible Monsoon. Pat won the match but Roopster still retains the Intercontinental title
Gorilla: What Santa Scottie was doing here I don't know.
Jessie: Trying to give Pat an early Christmas present.




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 16, 2010, 12:57:18 AM
-2k for that ?? Rome baited me. Blame him. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 16, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
Gorilla:  Look at this! I don't believe it!! Cindy Margolis just jumped on Santa Scottie's lap!!!
Jesse: Always, Gorilla.  Always.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 16, 2010, 08:51:23 PM
Rome.............................. or anyone else for that matter.

Do you know why Baratti and Christensen didn't go to the DIII All Star game ?? My guess is that it had a lot to do with it being the week before finals but I really don't know. The MWC was represented in the form of Matt Shepherd from Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 17, 2010, 06:52:42 AM
IDK...doesn't seem like the MWC/Beloit is doing a very good job of promotion of their players if these players aren't going....
Although it wouldn't shock me if the MWC was against it....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 17, 2010, 07:08:52 AM
We all know Monmouth football players don't have to go to class so maybe it's just a Beloit thing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 17, 2010, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: The Roop on December 17, 2010, 07:08:52 AM
We all know Monmouth football players don't have to go to class so maybe it's just a Beloit thing.


Jeez, I compliment you over on the basketball board for the Roop-deer song and then you throw me (and the rest of the Scots) under the bus like this! :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 17, 2010, 01:19:22 PM
Talk about getting thrown under the bus. The house was on fire last week and the wife got the kids out. She said "Be quiet or you might wake daddy". That's the story of my life, I get no respect, no respect at all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 17, 2010, 01:21:37 PM
And yes PC Police. I have met Maverick so I can take artistic license in my posts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: moskowe on December 17, 2010, 01:51:01 PM
we are new to the site my son jeremy moskow has a you tube highlight tape google it we would love to know if any coaches or fans think he might fit the school they are most familiar with thanks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 17, 2010, 02:25:03 PM
Probably better to send said video to MWC Coaches than offering it on the message boards.

I keep an eye out for talent but only if I see someone in person.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 17, 2010, 02:28:25 PM
Roopcruits 3, went to Beloit 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 19, 2010, 09:38:35 AM
Interesting story on ESPN this morning about over signing players, in which the term grey shirting was used. So it must be a real term nowadays. SEC seems to be the worst as they are/were nearly 20 over their scholarship limit on average. I can understand a little over signing as some kids will change their minds and some might not get in to school but 103 players for 85 scholarships is ridiculous. Talk about a what have you done for me lately situation.

So moskowe if your kid is a D1 prospect I'd be careful about what you're getting in to. DIII tends to recruit the student first and athlete second so these problems are few and far between. Still, there's always a little politics involved at any level. Pick a school he likes and worry about the athletic program later. If he has the ability to go Pro down the road the scouts will still find him.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 20, 2010, 02:32:50 AM
Chris Berman: Mount Union has won the most National Championships in DIII history. Upstart Beloit has never made the playoffs before. That's why they play the games.
Ton Jackson: When you go back to the midway point in the 4th quarter Mount Union was in control but going for it on 4th and goal at the Beloit 1 already leading 20-3 was the turning point in this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwK83Fj-FM

Chris Berman: Stuffed in the backfield and it's a fumble................ Beloit takes it out to the 45. 6 plays later they would score. 20-10. Following a Mount Union punt Beloit tacked on a a field goal,  20-13.
Tom Jackson: At this point the Purple Raiders should have just tried to move the ball but couldn't run out the clock.
Chris Berman: Tick tick tick, tick tick tick. Beloit has a receiver wide open in the end zone and we're all tied at 20. Now the ensuing kick off. Oh, no. Mount Union is taking it to the house with 12 seconds left. Wait a minute. Referees are talking on the sideline and he was ruled out at the 13.
Tom Jackson: If you're Mount Union you have 2 time outs left, just run a play to the center of the field and leave it up to your kicker.
Chris Berman: Not so fast Tom, trips right and an empty backfield. Mount Union is going for the end zone. Intercepted by Beloit. One man to beat at the 40, whoop, and he could go all the way. 15, 10, 5, touchdown. No flags on the play. 87 yards and it's Walnut and Bronze for the Buccaneers.
Tom Jackson: I don't agree with that play call.
Chris Berman: In any event; hats off to the 2011 Stagg Bowl Champions and Americas Team, the Beloit College Buccaneers. Stick around, we have more highlights to follow.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkbabe on December 22, 2010, 02:02:33 AM
Does anyone out there know the timetable to hire a coach at Carroll University,and what happen with the current head coach that they had him resign???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 22, 2010, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: warhawkbabe on December 22, 2010, 02:02:33 AM
Does anyone out there know the timetable to hire a coach at Carroll University,and what happen with the current head coach that they had him resign???

Your best bet on any news would come from hickory_cornhusker, Footballfan99, or carrollu62.  Any of you guys heard anything new in the past couple of weeks on the situation at Carroll?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 23, 2010, 11:33:34 AM
The current plan at Carroll is to the normal national search for a new head coach, but my feeling is current interim head coach Mark Krzykowski will have the title of head coach sooner rather than later. Coach Krzykowski has the support of current players and many formers players and parents backing him to get the head job at the school. He is a former Carroll grad and would make a perfect fit for the school in my opinion.  Now I'm not saying that Coach K is a shoe in for the job, but my guy feeling is that he will be given the job when the dust clears.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 23, 2010, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: Footballfan99 on December 23, 2010, 11:33:34 AM
The current plan at Carroll is to the normal national search for a new head coach, but my feeling is current interim head coach Mark Krzykowski will have the title of head coach sooner rather than later. Coach Krzykowski has the support of current players and many formers players and parents backing him to get the head job at the school. He is a former Carroll grad and would make a perfect fit for the school in my opinion.  Now I'm not saying that Coach K is a shoe in for the job, but my guy feeling is that he will be given the job when the dust clears.

Does Duke know about this???  Krzykowskiville will never be the same!  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on December 23, 2010, 01:59:28 PM
Also former Carroll head coach Henny Hiemenz was hired at the new offensive coordinator at Concordia University in Wisconsin it was announced.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on December 24, 2010, 10:43:10 AM
May the  Joy of the  Holiday Season Remain With You  Throughout the New Year
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 24, 2010, 10:44:34 AM
Merry Christmas to all of you MWC dudes
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 27, 2010, 01:42:04 PM
Congratulations to Coach Ed DeGeorge for being elected to the Beloit Hall of Honor.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 27, 2010, 07:02:28 PM
Quote from: rome on December 27, 2010, 01:42:04 PM
Congratulations to Coach Ed DeGeorge for being elected to the Beloit Hall of Honor.

I had him on my fantasy team when he played for Tennessee Titans.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on December 28, 2010, 04:51:33 PM
That's bad Bill. Actually it's Just Bad.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on January 06, 2011, 09:10:35 AM
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 06, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
Shhh, it's napping season on the MWC Football boards.  Everyone usually wakes up around August. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: matblake on February 03, 2011, 01:10:18 PM
Interesting news about officiating: http://www.cciw.org/news/2011/2/1/FB_0201110059.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on February 21, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
From the front page....

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2011/02/trick-shots 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on February 21, 2011, 10:19:45 AM
Dammit, scottie...you beat me by 10 minutes! :D

Here's the link to the video on Youtube anyways:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxDJb03a0yo&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2011, 10:37:39 AM
It's impressive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on February 21, 2011, 10:49:22 AM
Thanks for sharing it, Pat.  I was skeptical about video altering when I first saw the UConn version.  But now I know it is legit!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2011, 11:00:14 AM
116,000 views in 24 hours. That qualifies as viral. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2011, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Freddy V on February 21, 2011, 03:15:40 PM
In actually was in charge of filming the video.

I doubt this is true, unless he was filming in Iowa.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on February 22, 2011, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2011, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Freddy V on February 21, 2011, 03:15:40 PM
In actually was in charge of filming the video.

I doubt this is true, unless he was filming in Iowa.

Good because I was going to rip him for using a crappy camera. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 22, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
Would have been a lot more impressive if it wasn't edited on all of the shots with consecutive throws. Still has a nice arm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on March 01, 2011, 10:16:10 AM
The only one that was edited on the consecutive throws was the baskets in the fieldhouse.  The goalposts and the hitting the boxes off the head, hands and butt were all continuous filming.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on March 01, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
750,000+ videos thus far.  Not too shabby!

Personally, I don't care if the throws were consecutive or not.  The William Tell shots appear to be unedited. The upright shots are impressive because of a.) the distance (including from the knee) and b.) it is outside w/ the wind.  And with La Nina, no less!!   ;D

I also appreciate how Alex gave the viewer a virtual campus tour (albeit tight shots) while he was in different locations inside and outside the Huff Center. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on March 02, 2011, 09:15:45 AM
Carroll annoucned yesterday that Mark Krzykowski will be the new head coach of the Pioneers. Coach K has been defensive coord. for the team since 2006 and is a former alum of Carroll. I wishing nothing but the best to Coach K, his staff, and players on this upcoming season and years to come!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on March 03, 2011, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: scottie on March 01, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
750,000+ videos thus far.  Not too shabby!

Personally, I don't care if the throws were consecutive or not.  The William Tell shots appear to be unedited. The upright shots are impressive because of a.) the distance (including from the knee) and b.) it is outside w/ the wind.  And with La Nina, no less!!   ;D

I also appreciate how Alex gave the viewer a virtual campus tour (albeit tight shots) while he was in different locations inside and outside the Huff Center. 

Hopefully he'll be less accurate when the Fighting Scots open the season September 3rd against Wartburg.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on March 03, 2011, 05:29:19 PM
For those of you who may have been around Tanney over the years, has he gotten a lot bigger over the past year - now that basketball is out of the picture?  He looks pretty broad-shouldered in the video. 

Does anyone know where he is on Mel Kiper's big board for 2012?  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 04, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
St. Norbert College announced it has received an anonymous $1.5 million gift to allow for the construction of the home lockerrooms at the new Schneider Stadium.

SNC had dressed in the equipment shed this year, as there wasn't enough money to complete the home lockerroom building with the rest of the stadium in 2010.

The new place should be done by fall. It will be just north of the north endzone (to the fans' right) for anyone who had been there.

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on March 04, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
Hmmmmm.......  Maybe the anonymous gift is just the college ponying up the rest of the cash so their players don't have to change in the equipment shed anymore due to an incompleted project.  ("Hey, Hank, have you seen my jockstrap?"  "I think it's over there by the weed wackers.  Be careful!")   ;D

Either way, it sounds like a nice facility upgrade.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 05, 2011, 06:30:45 PM
Quote from: scottie on March 04, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
Hmmmmm.......  Maybe the anonymous gift is just the college ponying up the rest of the cash so their players don't have to change in the equipment shed anymore due to an incompleted project.  ("Hey, Hank, have you seen my jockstrap?"  "I think it's over there by the weed wackers.  Be careful!")   ;D

Either way, it sounds like a nice facility upgrade.

While dressing in the shack wasn't ideal, the college doesn't have Monmouth's endowment to do that sort of thing (unfortunately). And, the news release came was actually about the college setting a record for big project donations in one year, not just about the lockerroom it. And I have other info to know not true (No, I didn't write the check...) So, while indeed a funny line, not true in this case.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 08, 2011, 03:50:52 PM
ST. NORBERT COLLEGE TO PLAY FOOTBALL GAME
IN  DUBLIN, IRELAND IN 2012


    DE PERE, WIS.: St. Norbert College will face John Carroll (Ohio) University in Dublin, Ireland, in its 2012 season opener as part of the Global Ireland Football Tournament (GIFT). The game, scheduled for August 31, 2012, will mark the first NCAA Division III game played in Europe since 1992.

    The game marks the first time St. Norbert will compete intercollegiately outside of North America, and only the second time any team will have played outside of the continental United States. The St. Norbert hockey team played at Alaska-Fairbanks in 1997. The trip will be financed through private funding and no college operating funds will be used.

    "St. Norbert College is extremely excited to partner with a fellow Catholic institution in John Carroll University in this event," St. Norbert president Thomas Kunkel said. "This is a great opportunity not only for our football program but for the college overall."

      The St. Norbert-John Carroll game, with the venue still to be determined, is the only college game played as part of GIFT. At least three American high school games will also be played that weekend at various locations around Dublin. All teams participating in GIFT will have an opportunity to attend the Notre Dame-Navy game on September 1, 2012 in Dublin.

      "This will be a wonderful educational opportunity for our student-athletes, and I am appreciative of our administration for supporting this endeavor," St. Norbert football coach Jim Purtill said. "This experience will be great for those who might not normally get a chance to travel abroad in not only an athletic setting but an educational one as well."

       Travel information for fans as well as other information about the trip is available at http://www.snc.edu/athletics/football/ireland2012.html.

      The Global Ireland Football Tournament is planned by Global Football, a Texas-based company which oversees several overseas trips for college football teams.

      "After a year of planning, GIFT 2012 is now becoming a reality, and is already much bigger than I had anticipated," Global Football president Patrick Steenberge said. "Through the help of American football leaders in Ireland, we have found a number of top quality stadiums which are eager to host our games. Since there currently are no high school or junior-level league teams there, it will be a chance for the American coaches and players who travel to Ireland to demonstrate their abilities to passionate Irish sports fans and media." 

     St. Norbert is 107-21 in 12 years under Purtill and has won 13 Midwest Conference championship since joining the league in 1984. The Green Knights have made nine NCAA Division III Playoff appearances.

     The only Norbertine college in the world, St. Norbert is a four-year, Catholic liberal arts college, devoted to the Norbertine traditions of community, prayer and service to others. Founded in 1898 by Abbot Bernard Pennings as a school to prepare men for the priesthood, St. Norbert College became coeducational in 1952. Today the residential campus serves about 2,200 undergraduate and graduate students hailing from throughout the United States and more than 30 countries, and offers study abroad opportunities in 37 countries.

                                                                                 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on March 08, 2011, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on March 04, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
SNC had dressed in the equipment shed this year, as there wasn't enough money to complete the home lockerroom building with the rest of the stadium in 2010.

St. Norbert DID NOT dress in the equipment shed this year, they only met there prior to the game and at halftime. They used their old locker rooms at Schuldes Sports Center. Nothing like running with information that simply isn't accurate...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 08, 2011, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: sncsid on March 08, 2011, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on March 04, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
SNC had dressed in the equipment shed this year, as there wasn't enough money to complete the home lockerroom building with the rest of the stadium in 2010.

St. Norbert DID NOT dress in the equipment shed this year, they only met there prior to the game and at halftime. They used their old locker rooms at Schuldes Sports Center. Nothing like running with information that simply isn't accurate...

My apologies... "dress" may not have been the best word... my point was there aren't yet lockerrooms there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on March 09, 2011, 09:59:32 AM
GR$$N is the color in Des Peres!   


Quote from: gbpuckfan on March 04, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
St. Norbert College announced it has received an anonymous $1.5 million gift to allow for the construction of the home lockerrooms at the new Schneider Stadium.


Quote from: gbpuckfan on March 08, 2011, 03:50:52 PM
ST. NORBERT COLLEGE TO PLAY FOOTBALL GAME
IN  DUBLIN, IRELAND IN 2012

    The game marks the first time St. Norbert will compete intercollegiately outside of North America, and only the second time any team will have played outside of the continental United States. The St. Norbert hockey team played at Alaska-Fairbanks in 1997. The trip will be financed through private funding and no college operating funds will be used.                                                                               
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 22, 2011, 02:48:56 PM
There is a St. Norbert question in this quiz about the Packers draft history:

http://www.fox11online.com/generic/sports/packers_and_nfl/quiz-green-bay-packers-draft-history
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on April 28, 2011, 11:24:48 AM
Congrats to former IC Blueboy quarterback Peter Jennings on being named Carroll's QB Coach. Hopefully good things will be happening in Waukesha come fall!!!

http://athletics.carrollu.edu/news/detail.asp?newsid=3375&teamid=392
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 29, 2011, 05:08:41 AM
And congrats to Beloit for finally starting the stadium upgrades that should have been completed 3 years ago. New track, field turf, etc........... Better late than never I guess.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on April 29, 2011, 10:55:32 AM
They didn't want to be the last team in the North to update their track (or build a new one in the case of Carroll and St. Norbert).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 02, 2011, 08:16:41 AM
They haven't held The Beloit Relays since 79 so I think they are the last.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on May 02, 2011, 10:24:25 AM
It's been a long time since Lawrence has hosted a track meet as well. It wasn't 1979 but it's been a while.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 03, 2011, 03:47:19 PM
The Roop > Bin Laden.  Thank you for your service, and nice shootin'!!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
'tis official:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/cornell-to-return-to-midwest-conference
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on May 19, 2011, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
'tis official:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/cornell-to-return-to-midwest-conference

Any insight on why the switch occurred?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 19, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 19, 2011, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
'tis official:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/cornell-to-return-to-midwest-conference

Any insight on the switch occured?

That is not really a sentence.  Would you like to take another stab at this?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2011, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: scottie on May 19, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 19, 2011, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
'tis official:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/cornell-to-return-to-midwest-conference

Any insight on the switch occured?

That is not really a sentence.  Would you like to take another stab at this?
:D :D

I actually thought that you were hoping for a complete subject and verb to be added to the sentence, e.g.,

"Is there any insight on why the switch occurred?" 

;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on May 19, 2011, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on May 19, 2011, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
'tis official:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/cornell-to-return-to-midwest-conference

Any insight on why the switch occurred?



Conference record over the last eight years 5-59. Four of those wins came in 2003-2004-2005. That tranlates to one conference win in the past five years.  Bottom line, they couldn't compete in the IIAC.  Unfortunately for the Rams, the MWC isn't the league they left 14 years ago.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ahig on May 19, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
What does a school like Cornell do with its wrestling program?  The press release said Cornell would become a MWC member in all sports.  I only know of Lawrence having wrestling in the MWC and they compete in the WIAC I think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Jester76 on May 19, 2011, 10:35:03 PM
What I want to know is how will this affect each MWC teams football schedule.  Will they not be allowed to play an out of conference opponent because every team will have to add Cornell to their schedule?  Or will they revisit the North and South idea with football and allow the teams to play more out of conference opponents with a possible conference championship? 

Either way it will be interesting to see what kind of shake up this will cause to every teams game schedule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on May 20, 2011, 10:27:15 AM
Welcome back!

As for football scheduling:

- Maybe there's a 12th team a-coming.

- I would guess they won't play an insulated football schedule. Maybe they'd go to not playing 2 teams and freeing up for another non-con date. (Something along the lines of how the Big Ten has been doing it.)

(EDIT: I can't imagine Cornell agreeing to this and not being able to play Coe in football - perhaps the best reason this won't happen.)

- divisions with different number of member just seems wrong - and why should some schools get an extra non-con date compared to others?

- maybe someone else is leaving?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on May 20, 2011, 10:09:46 PM
If Cornell finishes higher than 7th at the end of the 2012 MWC football season, the league should be disbanded and athletics should become club sports at member institutions. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 20, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on May 20, 2011, 10:27:15 AM
Welcome back!

As for football scheduling:

- Maybe there's a 12th team a-coming.

- I would guess they won't play an insulated football schedule. Maybe they'd go to not playing 2 teams and freeing up for another non-con date. (Something along the lines of how the Big Ten has been doing it.)

(EDIT: I can't imagine Cornell agreeing to this and not being able to play Coe in football - perhaps the best reason this won't happen.)

- divisions with different number of member just seems wrong - and why should some schools get an extra non-con date compared to others?

- maybe someone else is leaving?

Maybe Knox is giving up athletics altogether.   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on May 21, 2011, 12:21:57 PM
Changing gears... a few of the Green Bay Packers are working out at SNC's football stadium since they can't go to Lambeau or its practice facility.

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/family-affair-at-packers-lockout-workout
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on May 21, 2011, 02:19:48 PM

Maybe Knox is giving up athletics altogether.   ???
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I hope you are being facetious and don't know something I don't.

That said, the Siwash (edit:) Prairie Fire finished 9th and 10th in the all-sport standings (http://midwestconference.org/sports/2010/7/27/GEN_0727102928.aspx) and needed several more sports to barely beat LFC for ninth on one side.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on May 25, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
Well I would be very sad if Knox dropped their sports program.  Though it hasn't been much of a rivalry in for the tenure of Coach Bell and his staff.  It would be the end of the most historic event in Midwest Conference football:  the annual Monmouth-Knox Turkey Bowl.

Since the addition of an eleventh team in Cornell, I think that it would be cool if the Midwest conference dropped down to a nine game schedule with the best record from a North Division and the from a South Division would play a tenth championship game to earn the automatic quailification to the national playoffs.

But that is only my humble opinion.  What do the rest of you all think.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 26, 2011, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: Woodsy76 on May 25, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
Since the addition of an eleventh team in Cornell, I think that it would be cool if the Midwest conference dropped down to a nine game schedule with the best record from a North Division and the from a South Division would play a tenth championship game to earn the automatic quailification to the national playoffs.

I doubt the whole league will offer to give up a regular season game, just so two members can play a championship game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2011, 10:54:15 AM
It's the Midwest Conference, though -- never know! They already take away competition opportunities in other sports. (In football, they take away the preseason scrimmage.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Footballfan99 on May 27, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
I know the Midwest Conference has changed its rules about spring ball which has allowed teams to have practices in the spring and play a game against another college (usually out of the country). I was wondering what schools took advantage of playing another college this spring. I know Carroll went up to Canada and played a college from up there, Carroll won 51-0, but had heard the team they played was not good at all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 03, 2011, 12:41:20 PM
Five SNC football games (I'm guessing the 5 home ones) will be broadcast on local TV:



DE PERE - St. Norbert College and MYNEW32 (WACY-TV) have entered into a television broadcasting agreement for the 2011-12 school year. WACY-TV is scheduled to broadcast 25 St. Norbert sporting events live as well as three non-sporting events during the academic year.

WACY-TV is available on Channel 32 on the UHF band and is available on Channel 13 to Time Warner Cable subscribers in most Northeastern Wisconsin markets (Channel 10 in Marinette).

Tentatively scheduled for broadcast are six men's ice hockey games, five football games, five men's and women's basketball games each and four women's ice hockey games. The final broadcast schedule will be released later in the summer.

"St. Norbert College is excited to have our student-athletes showcase their talents on MYNEW32," St. Norbert president Thomas Kunkel said. "St. Norbert has a proud athletic tradition of producing outstanding teams and we want to thank the Journal Broadcast Group for partnering with us to bring some of our Green Knight athletic events to northeastern Wisconsin and beyond."

St. Norbert's men's ice hockey team won its second NCAA Division III national championship in four years this past March. The school's two basketball programs and football program also advanced to the NCAA Tournament in 2010-11.

"St. Norbert College athletics is excited about this tremendous opportunity to partner with MYNEW32 to televise our student-athletes and events," St. Norbert athletics director Tim Bald said. "To have this many live event telecasts is very unique for a Division III institution."

Journal Broadcast Group, which operates WACY-TV under a local marketing agreement, has acquired a new state-of-the-art production truck to handle broadcasts. The station also announced in March it will return its N.E.W. Sports Showdown programming with 10 high school football games.

Long-time area sports broadcaster Ted Stefaniak will handle play-by-play with assistance from veteran St. Norbert men's hockey radio voice Tim Derozier on that sport's broadcasts.

"The quality of college sports in this area is remarkable," MYNEW32 general manager Warren Glover said. "This joint venture will be a great addition to MYNEW32's schedule."




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on June 05, 2011, 06:44:33 PM
Congratulations St. Norbert on getting a television contract for some of you sports.  This should help with recruiting in the Upper Midwestern areas where the games are televised. 

What do you all think?  Will this cause St. Norbert to become even more of a powerhouse than they already seem to be in those sports that are to be televised?  And how do you foresee this effecting the rest of the conference?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 07, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
Quote from: Woodsy76 on June 05, 2011, 06:44:33 PM
Congratulations St. Norbert on getting a television contract for some of you sports.  This should help with recruiting in the Upper Midwestern areas where the games are televised. 

What do you all think?  Will this cause St. Norbert to become even more of a powerhouse than they already seem to be in those sports that are to be televised?  And how do you foresee this effecting the rest of the conference?

While it's a nice perk for the school, keep in mind that the only people who will be able to see these games are the ones already within (at most) a 3-hour drive of the school. So, if a kid wants his parents to see them play, they really already can. I suppose there are a few grandmas who can't get out of the house who will like it, but it's not the same as, say, Marquette University in Milwaukee being a part of the Big East so it's easier to recruit a New York kid because, yeah, mom can watch him on TV still.

It would help SNC, I suppose, if the GB-based station is willing to share it signal with a station near Monmouth for that football game. As it is, for football SNC will play either Lawrence and Ripon on TV each year (presuming this goes on in the future) - and perhaps both of those would be on TV - and those are already in SNC's local footprint.

Plus, the games are streamed already, right?

Does it help the school's exposure? Yes. Will fans and alums in the area like it? Yes. Is it a local TV station trying to carve out a niche in local sports programming? Absolutely - and good for them. But I'm not sure how much it will help recruiting.

That's my initial reaction. Maybe I am missing something though...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on June 12, 2011, 11:09:31 PM
Does anyone have any insight into possible committment of players to any MWC schools for this coming year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on June 13, 2011, 09:34:18 PM
My son is going to Lake Forest this fall.  Looking forward to the next 4 years.  We are comming from a New England Prep School.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on July 01, 2011, 05:11:19 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on May 20, 2011, 10:27:15 AM
Welcome back!

As for football scheduling:

- Maybe there's a 12th team a-coming.

- I would guess they won't play an insulated football schedule. Maybe they'd go to not playing 2 teams and freeing up for another non-con date. (Something along the lines of how the Big Ten has been doing it.)

(EDIT: I can't imagine Cornell agreeing to this and not being able to play Coe in football - perhaps the best reason this won't happen.)

- divisions with different number of member just seems wrong - and why should some schools get an extra non-con date compared to others?

- maybe someone else is leaving?

Hello everyone, it's been awhile.  So lets start answering some questions.  Cornell will still play and get crushed by Coe.  the MWC is not loosing anyone as of yet.  What will happen is they will keep their non-conf and will not play two conference team each year.  There is a rumor that there might  MIGHT be another school thinking about coming on board to the MWC, which would then split the conference into a North and South Division.  I hope this answers everyones question
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 02, 2011, 10:13:46 AM
If there is a second team coming, which area will it be. Is it a northern team to keep one division of all WI teams and another division of IA and IL teams? Or is it a southern/western team that will allow Lake Forest to move back with the Wisconsin schools? I think LFC would love that. They are closer to the WI schools than they are to IC and GC and now CC. (Good thing Carroll became a University)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 02, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Macalester from MN???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 02, 2011, 08:27:49 PM
The school I would like to see join the MWC is Marian in Fond du Lac. It's fit locationwise, etc but I think they'd need to upgrade facilities and (I think) add football. So, a longshot in today's economy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on July 03, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 02, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Macalester from MN???

I don't see this happening, but I could very well be wrong.

For starters, the MIAC is a very good academic league in its own regard.

Second, right now 85% of their athletic competition occurs within a two hour radius of campus. A move to the MWC would blow that up considerably.

But they might delude themselves into thinking they'd be competitive in football.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 03, 2011, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: hazzben on July 03, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 02, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Macalester from MN???

I don't see this happening, but I could very well be wrong.

For starters, the MIAC is a very good academic league in its own regard.

Second, right now 85% of their athletic competition occurs within a two hour radius of campus. A move to the MWC would blow that up considerably.

But they might delude themselves into thinking they'd be competitive in football.  ::)

Didn't Macalester become independent in football because they were not competitive football wise?  But they stayed in the MIAC for other sports?  Or is that another school and my brain is just hazy from too much beer this weekend???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 03, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 03, 2011, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: hazzben on July 03, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 02, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Macalester from MN???

I don't see this happening, but I could very well be wrong.

For starters, the MIAC is a very good academic league in its own regard.

Second, right now 85% of their athletic competition occurs within a two hour radius of campus. A move to the MWC would blow that up considerably.

But they might delude themselves into thinking they'd be competitive in football.  ::)

Didn't Macalester become independent in football because they were not competitive football wise?  But they stayed in the MIAC for other sports?  Or is that another school and my brain is just hazy from too much beer this weekend???

You're right. It is Macalester that did that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 03, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on July 02, 2011, 08:27:49 PM
The school I would like to see join the MWC is Marian in Fond du Lac. It's fit locationwise, etc but I think they'd need to upgrade facilities and (I think) add football. So, a longshot in today's economy.

I guess you weren't aware of this: http://www.marianuniversity.edu/uploadedFiles/News_And_Events/Headlines/Indoor%20Athletic%20Training%20Facility%20Brochure%201-11(2).pdf

http://www.marianuniversity.edu/interior.aspx?id=15722

They are also on the path to adding football. It was full steam ahead at one point, but a change in Presidents has slowed down the pace temporarily. This facility would also make an excellent football practice site.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 03, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on July 03, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on July 02, 2011, 08:27:49 PM
The school I would like to see join the MWC is Marian in Fond du Lac. It's fit locationwise, etc but I think they'd need to upgrade facilities and (I think) add football. So, a longshot in today's economy.

I guess you weren't aware of this: http://www.marianuniversity.edu/uploadedFiles/News_And_Events/Headlines/Indoor%20Athletic%20Training%20Facility%20Brochure%201-11(2).pdf

http://www.marianuniversity.edu/interior.aspx?id=15722

They are also on the path to adding football. It was full steam ahead at one point, but a change in Presidents has slowed down the pace temporarily. This facility would also make an excellent football practice site.

Could also be a money maker. I'm sure there are a lot of high  schools that would like to see their baseball or softball teams a real practice in before their first game when the weather finally slides above 40 degrees and there is only a decent chance of rain/sleet/snow. Rent it out when the Sabre teams aren't using it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Brits3905 on July 04, 2011, 12:21:56 PM
Hey Guys,
Just wondering has anyone heard what is going on with the DC position at SNC?
Anyways Happy 4th of July to everyone! Be safe and have fun
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on July 05, 2011, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 03, 2011, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: hazzben on July 03, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 02, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Macalester from MN???

I don't see this happening, but I could very well be wrong.

For starters, the MIAC is a very good academic league in its own regard.

Second, right now 85% of their athletic competition occurs within a two hour radius of campus. A move to the MWC would blow that up considerably.

But they might delude themselves into thinking they'd be competitive in football.  ::)

Didn't Macalester become independent in football because they were not competitive football wise?  But they stayed in the MIAC for other sports?  Or is that another school and my brain is just hazy from too much beer this weekend???

You are remembering correctly.

They're independent in football--actually almost dropped the program entirely--and fill their schedule up mostly with UMAC teams and a MIAC team here or there. Always Carleton and the Book of Knowledge battle, usually Hamline, sometimes Augsburg and Chicago is a pretty frequent opponent as well. The move to independent has left them floating between 2 and 4 wins a season for a while now. I'd see them trending back to 1-2 wins a season if they entered back into conference play by joining the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2011, 11:04:53 AM
They went 6-3 last year and at least put up some points against Carleton and Hamline. This year they add Augsburg, so they have three MIAC opponents.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2011/index

Last win against an MIAC team was 2002.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2002/index
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on July 05, 2011, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2011, 11:04:53 AM
They went 6-3 last year and at least put up some points against Carleton and Hamline. This year they add Augsburg, so they have three MIAC opponents.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2011/index

Last win against an MIAC team was 2002.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2002/index

Good catch Pat. They actually showed some signs of improving last year, against the UMAC anyway. It'll be interesting to see how Cornell does in the MWC, given their results against MAC last year.

It would have really been interesting to see what Caruso could/would have done over the long haul had he remained at MAC. He can obviously coach and recruit at a place like UST, where he's got superior resources to work with. Over time, I think he'd have turned MAC around, at least to the point where they were competitive in the MIAC. But I doubt he's second guessing his choice to move to Summit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 06, 2011, 06:09:54 AM
Less than 2 months till the first game!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on July 08, 2011, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 02, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Macalester from MN???

I can't confirm nor deny that....  Whom ever it may be we would be looking more at the 2012 or 2013 season.  As for now, I'm glad to see Cornell, might give LU and Knox someone to beat.  But I'm pretty sure they will be Cornell's only 2 wins.. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 08, 2011, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on July 08, 2011, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 02, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Macalester from MN???

I can't confirm nor deny that....  Whom ever it may be we would be looking more at the 2012 or 2013 season.  As for now, I'm glad to see Cornell, might give LU and Knox someone to beat.  But I'm pretty sure they will be Cornell's only 2 wins.. 

Cornell lost to Grinnell 26-25 in 2008 and won at Grinnell 28-21 in 2009. So maybe Cornell can pencil in 2 probable wins against LU and Knox and another possible win against Grinnell for their return to the MWC.  They also have Macalester on their 2011 schedule.  Maybe a future in-conference game ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 09, 2011, 11:10:34 AM
Let's say hypothetically Macalester were to join the conference. Which division would you put them in?

You could place them with the South, rename it the West and move Lake Forest back to the North (now named East):

West: Cornell, Grinnell, Illinois College, Knox, Macalester, Monmouth
East: Beloit, Carroll, Lake Forest, Lawrence, Ripon, St. Norbert

-Lake Forest would get greatly reduced travel and return to the their old division in the MWC
-Mac to IC is 513 miles according to the NCAA. Far enough to fly if they would meet up in the NCAA Playoffs
-Grinnell would be their closest divisional opponent 288 miles away



You could place them in the North and not have to rename the divisions or move Lake Forest

North: Beloit, Carroll, Lawrence, Macalester, Ripon, St. Norbert
South: Cornell, Grinnell, Illinois College, Knox, Lake Forest, Monmouth

-Each division would have one new team
-Longest divisional trip for Mac would be to Carroll at 354 miles (would also be farthest trip to any school in the conference for Carroll)
-Shortest trip would be 261 miles to Ripon



Unless the MIAC takes away Macalester's Notre Dame-like privileges and they don't want to compete in the MIAC in football and they have too much pride to join the UMAC I don't think Macalester would ever entertain the thought of joining the MWC. Their closest opponent would be more than four hours away. In the MIAC they have five conference opponents that are less than 10 miles away from them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on July 11, 2011, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on July 09, 2011, 11:10:34 AM

Unless the MIAC takes away Macalester's Notre Dame-like privileges and they don't want to compete in the MIAC in football and they have too much pride to join the UMAC I don't think Macalester would ever entertain the thought of joining the MWC. Their closest opponent would be more than four hours away. In the MIAC they have five conference opponents that are less than 10 miles away from them.

I definitely don't see MAC joining the UMAC. Too much pride and just really nothing in common with those schools.

The MIAC offers them history and geographic proximity. The MWC offers them very like minded institutions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 11, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
Macalester was one of the first to back out of the ACM conference idea and I can't see the MWC taking a football only member. I could see them going DII before joining the MWC. They are a good geographic fit there too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 12, 2011, 10:49:16 AM
How about Willamette? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 12, 2011, 11:05:44 AM
AK-Fairbanks may be adding football so don't put Willamette in just yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 12, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 08, 2011, 02:46:10 PM
Cornell lost to Grinnell 26-25 in 2008 and won at Grinnell 28-21 in 2009. So maybe Cornell can pencil in 2 probable wins against LU and Knox and another possible win against Grinnell for their return to the MWC.  They also have Macalester on their 2011 schedule.  Maybe a future in-conference game ;)

doolittledog:
 
Those three MWC wins that you are indicating are possible for Cornell in 2012 are two more than they have had over the past five years in the IIAC. (1-39)

Being a couple of IIAC guys, we are proud of our league, but are we really that much better than the MWC?  Monmouth and St. Norbert have given Wartburg all they want and more over the past couple years.  I realize I'm talking about teams that are at or near the top of their respective conferences.  Perhaps there is more disparity between the top and bottom teams in the MWC than there is in the IIAC, but Cornell is the worst team in the IIAC and I predict they will be the worst team in the MWC.
 
I'd put the Rams down for one conference win in 2012.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 12, 2011, 11:53:10 AM
No, I was just adding to what Redhawk was saying.  Redhawk said that LU and Knox would be Cornells only wins.  I was just pointing out that Grinnell COULD be another win...based on recent results.  I wasn't making any IIAC/MWC comparisons. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 12, 2011, 12:22:35 PM
UH-Hilo does not have football.  Shucks!  The search continues...... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 13, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
I'm just looking forward to the season starting.  Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 16, 2011, 01:06:06 PM
Contenders

St. Norbert
Illinois College (favorable home schedule)
Monmouth
Ripon

Possibles

Beloit
Carroll
Grinnell

Start Recruiting for 2012

Lake Forest
Lawrence
Knox

**Order of finish is implied, not guaranteed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 17, 2011, 06:05:08 AM
Boy, it's like they shouldn't even have to play any games this season.  It's already figured out!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 17, 2011, 11:14:06 AM
I wouldn't go that far. There should still be 5 teams in the hunt with two weeks to go.

And yes scottie, it will take more than 6-3 to win the conference...............
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: LUsid on July 21, 2011, 11:07:42 AM
In response to your discussion from a while back about when the last time Lawrence hosted a track meet, it was 2003. Lawrence resurfaced the track at Whiting Field in the summer of 2010 and we are exploring our options for hosting a meet in the spring of 2012.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on July 21, 2011, 11:18:16 PM
Congrats to Alex Tanney on being named to the Pre-Season All-American Team!

Full teams listed here: http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2011-preseason
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 22, 2011, 12:59:33 PM
Not that I didn't believe scottie but that pretty much confirms the redshirt. Thanks Maverick. Kinda curious what Wedekind thinks of this as he did rather well in taking over last season.

Here begins the QB controversy.....................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on July 25, 2011, 07:44:26 PM
Some more press for Alex Tanney...

Link to Galesburg Register-Mail story: http://www.galesburg.com/sports/x1797082895/Fighting-Scots-QB-Tanney-to-be-featured-on-History-Channel
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 26, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
A few observations before I hit the snooze button again....

1. I'll wager that the MWC champ has 1 loss or less.
2. bakdad: Don't question The Roop.  Don't ever question The Roop. 
3. I can hear the "Superhuman Scot" chants already.....
4. I doubt there will be a QB controversy of any kind.  Wunderkind was an all-conf. punter and I'm guessing he still has that job, and possibly more.  I'll put the over/under at 6 TD catches.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 31, 2011, 03:38:03 AM
Took the NROs Prime Citizen down to Beloit Thursday to meet mom and here's what I heard out of the Buccaneer camp while there.......................<insert crickets chirping>

So in lieu of any worthwhile information, we had Italian Beef from Captains Galley for lunch and pizza at Domenicos for dinner. I made dessert when we got home but the recipe is proprietary. That and I wing it every time and have nothing written down. If you have a Culvers in your area try a bananas foster and that's pretty close. I also managed to liberate my chainsaw (as seen in profile pic) from the garage as mom was threatening to use it and probably would have tried. "No, you're 77, you don't need to be using a chainsaw. Whatever it is I'll see to it on the next trip down".

The Prime Citizen is addicted to weeding and moms yard accommodated. I thought I fixed the yard last year but I guess not. In the process she learned that West Side Beloit squirrels will bark at you and sometimes charge when you get within a certain distance. Where is a camcorder when you need one. It would have been a YouTube sensation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 03, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
Speaking of MWC quaterbacks in 2011, what happened to the Texas kid at IC ?  Is he projected to take over the reins in 20011, at OB,  for IC? (Klein Tx. I believe)

Also, what happened to his dad, who posted in 2010, quite a bit?

Also, how good is Wartburg this year?

Curious minds need to know!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 03, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: grboob on August 03, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
Speaking of MWC quaterbacks in 2011, what happened to the Texas kid at IC ?  Is he projected to take over the reins in 20011, at OB,  for IC? (Klein Tx. I believe)

Also, what happened to his dad, who posted in 2010, quite a bit?

Also, how good is Wartburg this year?

Curious minds need to know!

Perhaps a winter north of the Mason/Dixon line was worse than the IC quarterback expected.

I think Wartburg could be a decent ball club this year.  If you are a fundamentalist as far as football is concerned, you would probably think that a solid offensive line returning is a good sign.  They also have a solid group of backs and wide receivers back for another season.  The Knights should be able to score points this season.

The defensive backfield lost some important individuals to last year's success.  This could be a bad situation when the Knights open against the high powered Monmouth offense.  I wish the young Wartburg denfense had a game or two under their belt before they had to make the trip across the Mississippi to face the Fighting Scots.

Perhaps the Monmouth/Wartburg game will end up with a score that is more like a basketball game than like a football contest.


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2011, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: grboob on August 03, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
Speaking of MWC quaterbacks in 2011, what happened to the Texas kid at IC ?  Is he projected to take over the reins in 20011, at OB,  for IC? (Klein Tx. I believe)

Also, what happened to his dad, who posted in 2010, quite a bit?

Also, how good is Wartburg this year?

Curious minds need to know!

Don't know anything about the kid.  The dad bowed out after a relatively brief flurry of activity.  Can't really remember if it was his choice or Pat's.  Have to admit that despite not being an MWC or IC follower I found his posts entertaining albeit, perhaps, a bit grandiose.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 04, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
It was his. I haven't banned anyone in a long time. Almost everyone who has left the board in the past two years has been by their own choice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 04, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2011, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: grboob on August 03, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
Speaking of MWC quaterbacks in 2011, what happened to the Texas kid at IC ?  Is he projected to take over the reins in 20011, at OB,  for IC? (Klein Tx. I believe)

Also, what happened to his dad, who posted in 2010, quite a bit?

Also, how good is Wartburg this year?

Curious minds need to know!

Don't know anything about the kid.  The dad bowed out after a relatively brief flurry of activity.  Can't really remember if it was his choice or Pat's.  Have to admit that despite not being an MWC or IC follower I found his posts entertaining albeit, perhaps, a bit grandiose.    

That was blu thru n thru. I think Pat told him to knock off the conversation about DIII players getting cars. Then Blu got all pissy at Pat and left.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 04, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
Does Monmouth even have a chance against this Wartburg juggernaut?  Aren't they rated between #8-12 in the preseason polls? Didn't they just stomp all over the Scots last year in a game that wasn't as close as the score indicated? I'm just resigned to the fact the Scots will be 0-1 going into conference play.  After all  the experts on the IIAC board have already stated Wartburg is better at every position except for QB.  The only one over there giving MC any respect is Mr. Warthog.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 04, 2011, 03:42:18 PM
Certainly having Tanney back ought to improve the odds some. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on August 04, 2011, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 04, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
Does Monmouth even have a chance against this Wartburg juggernaut?  Aren't they rated between #8-12 in the preseason polls? Didn't they just stomp all over the Scots last year in a game that wasn't as close as the score indicated? I'm just resigned to the fact the Scots will be 0-1 going into conference play.  After all  the experts on the IIAC board have already stated Wartburg is better at every position except for QB.  The only one over there giving MC any respect is Mr. Warthog.

All your sarcasm aside, Warthog is a pretty reliable poster. His concern about their secondary v. Tanney seemed like a legit worry for him.

Wartburg is a quality program. They field a IIAC champion/playoff caliber team (or right on the cusp of this) year in and year out. They're well coached and experienced.

But obviously MC has plenty of game as well. I could see this game going either way and Tanney is the major reason why. And that is no disrespect to the rest of Monmouth. He's just that good. Here's to hoping it lives up the hype and everyone stays healthy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 05, 2011, 01:47:58 AM
And from up on high; The Roop spake..........

C'mon kid. You don't want City Tuna Roll, it give you worms.

Well at least it's better than City Kung Pao Chicken made from cat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 05, 2011, 08:41:36 AM
 I am giving Warthog his due and I know he is a reliable poster. I was refering to some of the other posters. All sarcasm aside the score of last years game was closer than the score indicated. Monmouth dropped an easy TD pass early in the game and the interception return was off a MC receivers hands so we might have been talking about a 1 TD game.  The real difference in the game was the brand new o-line was not able to protect Tanney and we had no running game.  The defense did give up a few big plays but they were on the field way too long. MC loses about three starters and gains two back in Tanney and I think one of the receivers, so basically we have the same team that went into Wartburg with a lot of kids that now have a year of experience under their belt.mI see the opposite of last years game, this year MC knocks off as the rated team loses on the road. MC 28-WC 24.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 05, 2011, 10:26:44 AM
Hmmm, all of this WC @ MC chatter is setting the stage for a possible Early Scottie Sighting (ESS) on campus this year.  :)

And, yeah, ol' BTNT either burned out or faded away (turn up the Def Leppard).  He was quite convinced that a Texas-sized revolution would be taking over the MWC, but I guess we'll see who's taking the snaps and (how potent the bbq fumes are) in Jacksonville this year.  This board isn't the same w/o ya Blu!

p.s.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 04, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
It was his. I haven't banned anyone in a long time. Almost everyone who has left the board in the past two years has been by their own choice.
The rest of the quote would have sounded like, ".....but before that I was kicking off people left and right."   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 05, 2011, 10:35:06 AM
Ya I kinda miss having Blu around- but I'm speculating his exit wasn't about what he made it out to be.  I think it was a smokescreen,the handwriting was on the wall in the spring and he was looking for a way out where he could save some face. I guess will find out in a few weeks when IC"s roster/ or depth chart comes out. If this isn't the case I'd hope he'd come back for a one-time only 2011 MWC preview. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 05, 2011, 11:30:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCnZqg1RgGA
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 05, 2011, 01:48:35 PM
Blu is alive and well. His comeback however is dependent upon IC beating Beloit. Since covering the spread is far fetched at best, he'll likely remain in voluntary exile.

On an akedemik note..................... The top 4 schools in Wisconsin are Lawrence, St. Norbert, Beloit and Marquette. Not a bad showing for the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 06, 2011, 02:11:18 PM
I took the time to run through the entire Forbes List and here is where the MWC schools stand in the Top 650

Lawrence 63
Grinnell 68
Knox 79
St. Norbert 84
Beloit 163
Lake Forest 169
Ripon 238
*Cornell 271
Illinois College 350
Monmouth 388
Carroll 396

*Former and soon to be a member again.

Other colleges of interest include..........................

Texas A&M 178
Oklahoma 453
Texas 600

If that doesn't bring somebody out of hiding, I don't know what will.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 06, 2011, 02:52:01 PM
The week has finally arrived.  Tuesday we start our long 19 hour drive out to my sons new school and team for camp to open.  Although I don't look forward to the drive, I can't wait for his college career and season to begin.  I also look forward to hearing from/meeting you guys that have been following the MWC much longer than me.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on August 13, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
So does anyone know when each school is reporting for camp?  Also when the MWC is going to release their coaches rankings for the teams?  Hope everyone is doing well and ready for some great football action from the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 13, 2011, 12:29:36 PM
Most players should be on campus by now, when each school starts practice is likely up to each school. The poll usually comes out two weeks before kick off but it's not an exact science. Perhaps sncsid could chime in and help us out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on August 13, 2011, 01:56:59 PM
Thanks Roop for the insight.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 17, 2011, 01:47:19 AM
Was I wrong by picking Illinois College 2nd in the conference ?? Word out of camp is that this team could be loaded. Short on experience but long on talent. scottie needs to stop writing Tanneys Heisman acceptance speech now.

Weather permitting there could be a Roop sighting in Jacksonville this year. I will of course provide crying towels for the home team as they will have been beaten like rented mules. Sing the blues is one thing, crying Blueboys is another.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 17, 2011, 09:33:50 AM
Quote from: The Roop on August 17, 2011, 01:47:19 AM
Was I wrong by picking Illinois College 2nd in the conference ?? Word out of camp is that this team could be loaded. Short on experience but long on talent. scottie needs to stop writing Tanneys Heisman acceptance speech now.

Weather permitting there could be a Roop sighting in Jacksonville this year. I will of course provide crying towels for the home team as they will have been beaten like rented mules. Sing the blues is one thing, crying Blueboys is another.

If that doesn't get BTNT back on the board, I'm not sure what will.....   :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 17, 2011, 11:38:34 AM
Maybe this will get him.... :)

T E X A S    B B Q    S U C K S ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on August 17, 2011, 03:55:42 PM
Poll's Out

1    St. Norbert (5)    76
2    Monmouth (3)    74
3    Ripon (1)    68
t4    Carroll    51
t4    Illinois C.    51
6    Beloit    42
7    Grinnell    37
8    Lake Forest    23
t9    Lawrence    14
t9    Knox    14


http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2011/8/17/FB_0817113634.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 17, 2011, 04:35:02 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 17, 2011, 11:38:34 AM
Maybe this will get him.... :)

T E X A S    B B Q    S U C K S ! ! !

Don't know if it will get BTNT back, but it may get you a nasty note from Ralph Turner! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 17, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
While not exact, the coaches poll certainly resembles what I posted on page 468. For Monmouth folk that's the page between 467 and 469.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 18, 2011, 11:06:39 AM
Quote from: The Roop on August 17, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
While not exact, the coaches poll certainly resembles what I posted on page 468. For Monmouth folk that's the page between 467 and 469.

BOO Thru N Thru!  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 18, 2011, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: larry_u on August 17, 2011, 03:55:42 PM
Poll's Out

1    St. Norbert (5)    76
2    Monmouth (3)    74
3    Ripon (1)    68
t4    Carroll    51
t4    Illinois C.    51
6    Beloit    42
7    Grinnell    37
8    Lake Forest    23
t9    Lawrence    14
t9    Knox    14


http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2011/8/17/FB_0817113634.aspx

Anyone surprised, based on this, that the Green Knights are not receiving any votes in the top 25? Is this the year that the MWC could/should have two teams receiving votes?  Monmouth is currently unranked with 10 votes.  Hopefully they skyrocket after the Wartburg game.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 18, 2011, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 18, 2011, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: larry_u on August 17, 2011, 03:55:42 PM
Poll's Out

1    St. Norbert (5)    76
2    Monmouth (3)    74
3    Ripon (1)    68
t4    Carroll    51
t4    Illinois C.    51
6    Beloit    42
7    Grinnell    37
8    Lake Forest    23
t9    Lawrence    14
t9    Knox    14


http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2011/8/17/FB_0817113634.aspx

Anyone surprised, based on this, that the Green Knights are not receiving any votes in the top 25? Is this the year that the MWC could/should have two teams receiving votes?  Monmouth is currently unranked with 10 votes.  Hopefully they skyrocket after the Wartburg game.   :)

It won't matter for St. Norbert. They'll have an early season loss after the St. Thomas game. It will be a good loss so there is a chance they could climb into the Top 25 if they rack up a bunch of wins with the only loss being to a Top 5/10
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on August 18, 2011, 02:02:30 PM
Stretch.....Yawn....ahhhh...

Its football season again.  Good to get back on here and do a little time wasting at work.

Monmouth looks to have a rebounding season.  Blodgett back at reciever, Tanney back at QB...a good portion of the Defense back.  I think that it will be a battle at the top and the winner could have a 1 loss season.  Here's to no major injuries around the conference and some good football weather.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 18, 2011, 03:44:11 PM
scottie you were close to bringing back BTNT but we all know that Texas doesn't have any real BBQ anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 18, 2011, 04:24:25 PM
wow I can't believe that 5 coaches in the MWC think Tanney is going to get hurt again! By the way Blu isn't coming back from where he is at.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on August 19, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on August 18, 2011, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 18, 2011, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: larry_u on August 17, 2011, 03:55:42 PM
Poll's Out

1    St. Norbert (5)    76
2    Monmouth (3)    74
3    Ripon (1)    68
t4    Carroll    51
t4    Illinois C.    51
6    Beloit    42
7    Grinnell    37
8    Lake Forest    23
t9    Lawrence    14
t9    Knox    14


http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2011/8/17/FB_0817113634.aspx

Anyone surprised, based on this, that the Green Knights are not receiving any votes in the top 25? Is this the year that the MWC could/should have two teams receiving votes?  Monmouth is currently unranked with 10 votes.  Hopefully they skyrocket after the Wartburg game.   :)

It won't matter for St. Norbert. They'll have an early season loss after the St. Thomas game. It will be a good loss so there is a chance they could climb into the Top 25 if they rack up a bunch of wins with the only loss being to a Top 5/10

Both the Wartburg and St. Thomas game could definitely be big for Monmouth and SNC. If either team wins their game, they're definitely in the top 25 IMO. If either loses in a close competitive game, they likely start creeping towards getting into the rankings.

Even more interesting (though I don't see it happening) if they both won these key non-con matchups and then went undefeated the rest of the way (with the obvious exception of their head to head matchup for one team) the MWC might even get a pool C bid. For that to happen, I think you'd still need either (if not both) Wartburg and St. Thomas to bounce back and win the IIAC and MIAC auto bid.

All in all, I think the Wartburg - Monmouth is the most likely to go either way. At least on paper. St. Thomas loses a lot on defense, but they bring back a ton of talent on offense and they've got some really incredible depth that should allow them to reload where they graduated guys. This'll be a tougher matchup for SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 20, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
Careful, Hazzben.  If you mention MWC and Pool C in the same sentence too many times, PC will take you down..... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on August 20, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 20, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
Careful, Hazzben.  If you mention MWC and Pool C in the same sentence too many times, PC will take you down..... ;)

;D

Well, like I said, I don't see it happening or think it's necessarily likely. But if there was ever a year where the non-con matchups provide at least the possibility, it'd be this year. Your top two preseason teams play #15 and #5 in the preseason poll, both from strong conferences. If you won both and they went on to win the MIAC and IIAC I'd say you'd be in an unusually good position for pool C. Especially given that the West Region committee would probably be more inclined to give you the regional ranking requisite to earn a pool C.

But, that's also a whole lot of 'ifs' with a whole lot of football left to be played  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 21, 2011, 12:24:44 AM
Quote from: hazzben on August 20, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 20, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
Careful, Hazzben.  If you mention MWC and Pool C in the same sentence too many times, PC will take you down..... ;)

;D

Well, like I said, I don't see it happening or think it's necessarily likely. But if there was ever a year where the non-con matchups provide at least the possibility, it'd be this year. Your top two preseason teams play #15 and #5 in the preseason poll, both from strong conferences. If you won both and they went on to win the MIAC and IIAC I'd say you'd be in an unusually good position for pool C. Especially given that the West Region committee would probably be more inclined to give you the regional ranking requisite to earn a pool C.

But, that's also a whole lot of 'ifs' with a whole lot of football left to be played  :)

I think hazzbeen is on to something.  I am very concerned about the Monmouth/Wartburg opener.  If anybody can carry a team on his shoulders, it is Tanney.  Having to play the Scots right out of the chute is a tough assignment for the Knights.  This isn't the same defense that beat him up at Wartburg last fall.  There are holes to fill and we all know it takes a few games for a new defensive group to be operating on the same page.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 22, 2011, 11:08:56 AM
This game is shaping up to be exactly like last year's game except the roles are reversed.  Monmouth is definitely going to be better across the board than they were last year.  Wartburg is rated based on last years team but is going on the road and I think that will be the difference.  Monmouth's o-line will be the key to this game, if they protect Tanney MC wins this one by more than one score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 22, 2011, 11:55:30 AM
Coach Campbell in a little bit of trouble for texting...

http://www.galesburg.com/sports/x919545689/Illinois-College-football-coach-suspended-for-violating-texting-rule
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 22, 2011, 02:30:06 PM
Somebody find out if those texts were to/from Texas!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on August 23, 2011, 09:02:24 AM
I think this is a case of the NCAA being behind the times regarding technology.  So you can CALL a kid on his cell as much as you want, but you can't text him?  Although, upon reflection I guess that would limit the contact because I know of few kids that actually ANSWER their cell phones (yes I have a teenager)!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 23, 2011, 11:55:20 AM
Here's the link to the story on a different newspaper website.  This one has more detail than the other.

http://www.sj-r.com/localcolleges/x1837753223/Illinois-College-football-coach-suspended-for-violating-texting-rule

PS - Good call scottie! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 23, 2011, 12:20:45 PM
"Illinois College......the Miami Hurricanes of the Midwest."   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2011, 04:39:19 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on August 23, 2011, 09:02:24 AM
I think this is a case of the NCAA being behind the times regarding technology.  So you can CALL a kid on his cell as much as you want, but you can't text him?  Although, upon reflection I guess that would limit the contact because I know of few kids that actually ANSWER their cell phones (yes I have a teenager)!   ;D

Yes, because you can refuse a phone call but you can't refuse a text.

There are always discussions among the membership on rules, though, and this does come up for debate. Maybe not in a formal setting, as in voting on the floor at the convention, but it's talked about.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 23, 2011, 08:23:29 PM
So we're a week and a 4 days from the first game.  I know I'm new to the board, but I've heard good things comming from the Lake Forest Camp.  I'm sure there's good things around the League, but maybe there might be change in the Midwest!  Looking forward to the first kickoff.

Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 24, 2011, 12:50:08 PM
3 downs and a 110m field to encourage the passing game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 24, 2011, 01:45:35 PM
I admit I'm far from a technology expert but can't you block a text message? Monmouth 31
Wartburg 12
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 24, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Not sure but also remember that rules tend to lag a couple years behind the technology.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 24, 2011, 04:40:30 PM
Update for the all of Scottie Fans TM out there:  A Scottie-Sighting TM has now been upgraded to 75% for the Wartburg game.  (At least worth an extra +3 at Roop Vegas.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 24, 2011, 06:58:24 PM
Everybody knows it's RoopVegas. Maybe Old Navy made that post, not scottie.

http://shine.yahoo.com/event/fallfashion/grammar-fail-on-old-navys-college-t-shirts-uh-oh-2531551/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 24, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
RoopVega's   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on August 25, 2011, 10:48:17 AM
Still trying to make the schedule work for a trip south next Sat. I see there is a designated tailgating area north of the stadium. Is this for visitors also? I know a couple of years ago at the playoff game we had to "negotiate" with a few of the rent-a-cops @  a parking lot a couple of blocks from the stadium. Thx

GO KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on August 25, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2011 TOP 25 FAN POLL, PLEASE SEND ME A MESSAGE WITH YOUR CURRENT EMAIL ADDRESS. Now that Kickoff is out, I'd like to get our first poll out by the middle of next week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 25, 2011, 11:47:04 AM
This new format has got my rods and cones all screwed up....   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 25, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: wartknight on August 25, 2011, 10:48:17 AM
Still trying to make the schedule work for a trip south next Sat. I see there is a designated tailgating area north of the stadium. Is this for visitors also? I know a couple of years ago at the playoff game we had to "negotiate" with a few of the rent-a-cops @  a parking lot a couple of blocks from the stadium. Thx

GO KNIGHTS

wartknight - As far as I know, the designated tailgating area is for both sets of fans.  Also, this area that was put into use last season is about a half-mile north of the stadium...so it is a little bit further of a walk than the parking lot where you were able to tailgate before the playoff game a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 26, 2011, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: Maverick on August 25, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: wartknight on August 25, 2011, 10:48:17 AM
Still trying to make the schedule work for a trip south next Sat. I see there is a designated tailgating area north of the stadium. Is this for visitors also? I know a couple of years ago at the playoff game we had to "negotiate" with a few of the rent-a-cops @  a parking lot a couple of blocks from the stadium. Thx

GO KNIGHTS

wartknight - As far as I know, the designated tailgating area is for both sets of fans.  Also, this area that was put into use last season is about a half-mile north of the stadium...so it is a little bit further of a walk than the parking lot where you were able to tailgate before the playoff game a couple years ago.

Two times when I was at Monmouth we used the tennis courts parking.  It had about 90% Wartburg fans and we partied just like we do at Wartburg.  The next two times (one Wartburg game and one St. Norbert game) we got directed to the parking lot west of the stadium.  It was at the Wartburg game where we had the confrontation with Barney Phife.  He didn't seem to think we should ignore the signs that thanked us in advance for keeping Monmouth a dry campus.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 26, 2011, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: warthog on August 26, 2011, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: Maverick on August 25, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: wartknight on August 25, 2011, 10:48:17 AM
Still trying to make the schedule work for a trip south next Sat. I see there is a designated tailgating area north of the stadium. Is this for visitors also? I know a couple of years ago at the playoff game we had to "negotiate" with a few of the rent-a-cops @  a parking lot a couple of blocks from the stadium. Thx

GO KNIGHTS

wartknight - As far as I know, the designated tailgating area is for both sets of fans.  Also, this area that was put into use last season is about a half-mile north of the stadium...so it is a little bit further of a walk than the parking lot where you were able to tailgate before the playoff game a couple years ago.

Two times when I was at Monmouth we used the tennis courts parking.  It had about 90% Wartburg fans and we partied just like we do at Wartburg.  The next two times (one Wartburg game and one St. Norbert game) we got directed to the parking lot west of the stadium.  It was at the Wartburg game where we had the confrontation with Barney Phife.  He didn't seem to think we should ignore the signs that thanked us in advance for keeping Monmouth a dry campus.

That was the same parking lot where we did our tailgating at for the last few years.  But starting last year, they moved the tailgating area to the designated spot that's a half-mile north of campus by Cavanaugh Motors...at least I'm pretty sure it was last year when that started.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on August 28, 2011, 09:36:55 PM
Last year Grinnell, created some momentum early, and had their first plus .500 season in years... Are any of the lower end teams poised to do that this year? Also, are Beloit and Grinnell set up to drop back down after losing talented senior classes? (baratti, Christensen, Ross at bc, and Bradley and bogard at Grinnell)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2011, 09:52:49 PM
Welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
Vote on the name for the new Ripon mascot...

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/riponmascot

the choices are:
Ruckus
Ready
Rudy
Rip
Rally

Alliteration is alive and well in Ripon... 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 29, 2011, 01:27:40 PM
Lake Forest will win 4-5 games this season.  So says the Retired Marine!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 29, 2011, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
Vote on the name for the new Ripon mascot...

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/riponmascot

the choices are:
Ruckus
Ready
Rudy
Rip
Rally

Alliteration is alive and well in Ripon...

With Ripon appearing to have a new mascot appearing in a month and St. Norbert unveiling one last year: How many conference schools have a real live mascot roaming the grounds at a football or basketball game?

I know of Carroll, SNC, LFC and soon to be Ripon. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pgkevin on August 29, 2011, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
Vote on the name for the new Ripon mascot...

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/riponmascot

the choices are:
Ruckus
Ready
Rudy
Rip
Rally

Alliteration is alive and well in Ripon...

I really just don't get these?

I'm not quite sure how a new mascot is going to be unveiled at Homecoming, how do you make a mascot out of a verb or adjective...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 29, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
Any update on the IC coach?

Also, who wil be IC's QB?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 30, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
hickory_cornhusker - Monmouth has Big Red as their mascot who started appearing at games a year or two ago.

pgkevin - Is Ripon still going to be known as the Redhawks?  And then one of those will be the mascot's name?  Something like "Ruckus the Redhawk" maybe?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: Maverick on August 30, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
hickory_cornhusker - Monmouth has Big Red as their mascot who started appearing at games a year or two ago.

pgkevin - Is Ripon still going to be known as the Redhawks?  And then one of those will be the mascot's name?  Something like "Ruckus the Redhawk" maybe?

This is correct... this is naming the RedHawk. They apparently have a new graphic version of it. More info here:
http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/mascot/Name_The_Red_Hawk.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 30, 2011, 10:37:36 AM
ST vs. SN  or WC vs. MC?  Which one is the GOW??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 30, 2011, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: Maverick on August 30, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
hickory_cornhusker - Monmouth has Big Red as their mascot who started appearing at games a year or two ago.

pgkevin - Is Ripon still going to be known as the Redhawks?  And then one of those will be the mascot's name?  Something like "Ruckus the Redhawk" maybe?

This is correct... this is naming the RedHawk. They apparently have a new graphic version of it. More info here:
http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/mascot/Name_The_Red_Hawk.html

How about Amtrak as they never leave the ground.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 30, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 30, 2011, 10:37:36 AM
ST vs. SN  or WC vs. MC?  Which one is the GOW??

Flip a coin...just call them 1a and 1b for Game of the Week at this point.

Quote from: The Roop on August 30, 2011, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: Maverick on August 30, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
hickory_cornhusker - Monmouth has Big Red as their mascot who started appearing at games a year or two ago.

pgkevin - Is Ripon still going to be known as the Redhawks?  And then one of those will be the mascot's name?  Something like "Ruckus the Redhawk" maybe?

This is correct... this is naming the RedHawk. They apparently have a new graphic version of it. More info here:
http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/mascot/Name_The_Red_Hawk.html

How about Amtrak as they never leave the ground.

Classic...well done, The Roop.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on August 30, 2011, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 30, 2011, 10:37:36 AM
ST vs. SN  or WC vs. MC?  Which one is the GOW??

Both should be very good games.

However, I'd vote for St. Thomas v. St. Norbert, simply because both were picked by their respective conference coaches as the preseason favorites. Wartburg was picked to win the IIAC, but it was a dead heat with Coe for the #1 spot and Monmouth was a close second in the MWC preseason coaches poll.

Give me preseason MIAC #1 v. MWC #1 over preseason IIAC #1 v. MWC #2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 30, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Well we all know that Wartburg superiority to MC at all positions but QB which makes them probably a 2-3 TD favorite against Monmouth but what's the line on St. Thomas/St. Norbert game? When its all said and done one will stand out as a game while I'm not so sure about the other despite what the coaches polls say. As far as mascots go MC doesn't even need Big Red. They got a kid on the team that's a dead ringer for him. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pgkevin on August 31, 2011, 06:35:53 AM
Quote from: Maverick on August 30, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
hickory_cornhusker - Monmouth has Big Red as their mascot who started appearing at games a year or two ago.

pgkevin - Is Ripon still going to be known as the Redhawks?  And then one of those will be the mascot's name?  Something like "Ruckus the Redhawk" maybe?

Yup, that makes a whole lot more sense.  One of my biggest problems is that I'm just not that intelligent, haha.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Mav.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2011, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 30, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Well we all know that Wartburg superiority to MC at all positions but QB which makes them probably a 2-3 TD favorite against Monmouth but what's the line on St. Thomas/St. Norbert game? When its all said and done one will stand out as a game while I'm not so sure about the other despite what the coaches polls say. As far as mascots go MC doesn't even need Big Red. They got a kid on the team that's a dead ringer for him.

After watching the UST lines - on both sides of the ball - dominate play last year, if they come close to doing that again, it's going to be a long day for SNC. Plus, a new QB for SNC in his first game as starter. UST is an easy pick here, I fear.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 31, 2011, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 30, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Well we all know that Wartburg superiority to MC at all positions but QB which makes them probably a 2-3 TD favorite against Monmouth but what's the line on St. Thomas/St. Norbert game? When its all said and done one will stand out as a game while I'm not so sure about the other despite what the coaches polls say. As far as mascots go MC doesn't even need Big Red. They got a kid on the team that's a dead ringer for him.

Sorry Moncolfan.  That little "Woe are we" post doesn't fool anybody.  This will be a close game.  You have arguably the best player in the country on your side of the field and you have matched up quite well at other positions over the past couple years.  But hey, if Wartburg fans aren't posting any bulletin board material, you might as well do it.  See you Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on August 31, 2011, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: warthog on August 31, 2011, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 30, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Well we all know that Wartburg superiority to MC at all positions but QB which makes them probably a 2-3 TD favorite against Monmouth but what's the line on St. Thomas/St. Norbert game? When its all said and done one will stand out as a game while I'm not so sure about the other despite what the coaches polls say. As far as mascots go MC doesn't even need Big Red. They got a kid on the team that's a dead ringer for him.

Sorry Moncolfan.  That little "Woe are we" post doesn't fool anybody.  This will be a close game.  You have arguably the best player in the country on your side of the field and you have matched up quite well at other positions over the past couple years.  But hey, if Wartburg fans aren't posting any bulletin board material, you might as well do it.  See you Saturday.

Exactly my thoughts. I've seen nothing but respect for Monmouth on the boards and from Wartburg supporters. I don't think anyone in the IIAC or nationally is looking past this matchup as an assumed W for either team. It should be a great game.

I think Wartburg probably has better overall talent, but Monmouth has good talent and will have the best player on the field. How much better he is than everyone else will be significant. Can he have a Blake Elliot affect on the game? That's what I'm interested to see on Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on August 31, 2011, 01:45:57 PM
Hey Monmouth, what'ya say, the Scots are gonna win Saturday.  Yeah yeah....I know...pretty confident.  Here is how I see it.  Monmouth wins 28-27.  They will be losing with 1:29 on the board and Wartburg will have the ball 3 and 1.  They will throw it twice, not get a first down and the Scots will drive the length of the field for a game winning score.  Boy, it would be nice to be on the right side of that kind of game.

All kidding aside...I see a really good game happening on Saturday and the Scots taking a close one.  Good luck to all.

An SNC and MC win would be nice to see as the conference could potentially get a Pool C bid if each team wins out all but when they play eachother.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on August 31, 2011, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: hazzben on August 31, 2011, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: warthog on August 31, 2011, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on August 30, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Well we all know that Wartburg superiority to MC at all positions but QB which makes them probably a 2-3 TD favorite against Monmouth but what's the line on St. Thomas/St. Norbert game? When its all said and done one will stand out as a game while I'm not so sure about the other despite what the coaches polls say. As far as mascots go MC doesn't even need Big Red. They got a kid on the team that's a dead ringer for him.

Sorry Moncolfan.  That little "Woe are we" post doesn't fool anybody.  This will be a close game.  You have arguably the best player in the country on your side of the field and you have matched up quite well at other positions over the past couple years.  But hey, if Wartburg fans aren't posting any bulletin board material, you might as well do it.  See you Saturday.

Exactly my thoughts. I've seen nothing but respect for Monmouth on the boards and from Wartburg supporters. I don't think anyone in the IIAC or nationally is looking past this matchup as an assumed W for either team. It should be a great game.

I think Wartburg probably has better overall talent, but Monmouth has good talent and will have the best player on the field. How much better he is than everyone else will be significant. Can he have a Blake Elliot affect on the game? That's what I'm interested to see on Saturday.

Did you mean Brett Elliot from the Linfield championship team in the early 2000's?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2011, 01:52:27 PM
There are two Elliotts. Not related:

Blake Elliott, running back, St. John's, helped carry Johnnies to 2003 national title.
Brett Elliott, quarterback, Linfield, helped carry Wildcats to 2004 national title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on August 31, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
Thanks Pat didn't know that there were two Elliots that had such an effect on D3 football two years in a row like that.  So I take it Hazzben you were talking about Blake Elliot the RB and not Brett Elliot the QB?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on August 31, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2011, 01:52:27 PM
There are two Elliotts. Not related:

Blake Elliott, running back, St. John's, helped carry Johnnies to 2003 national title.
Brett Elliott, quarterback, Linfield, helped carry Wildcats to 2004 national title.

Like Pat said.

Blake played on a great SJU team that beat what was being called the greatest Mount team of all time heading into the stagg. His performance was the DIII version of Vince Young and UT versus USC in 2005. Blake changed the tenor of that game and put an already great supporting cast on his back.

Brett was a stellar QB for the Wildcats and led them on a dominant Stagg run. He was the best player on another great team. The QB comparison with Tanney is obvious, except Brett had more to work with. I think talent wise that Linfield was as good top to bottom as anyone they played all year, but Brett was their star.

Both Elliot's won a National Title and the Gagliardi Award and are rightly adored by their fan bases.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on August 31, 2011, 03:14:47 PM
Outside of the two big games, any predictions?

The kickoff predicts LFC with 4-5 wins..

Does Grinnell step back without Mike Bogard back at QB? 1,400 yards passing, 13TD... the 2QB rotation seemed to be helpful for them in '10.

FBDAD-- whats the optimism at LFC focused on QB? He looked good at the end of '10.. they were young on Defense a year ago, did everyone come back?

SNC fans-- who is the new QB?? Is this a year where SNC is all about Defensive football?

Roop-- any news out of B-town that doesn't involve the genetic freak that is Carrier?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2011, 04:11:29 PM
Quote from: Yupstate on August 31, 2011, 03:14:47 PM
Outside of the two big games, any predictions?
The kickoff predicts LFC with 4-5 wins..

Does Grinnell step back without Mike Bogard back at QB? 1,400 yards passing, 13TD... the 2QB rotation seemed to be helpful for them in '10.

FBDAD-- whats the optimism at LFC focused on QB? He looked good at the end of '10.. they were young on Defense a year ago, did everyone come back?

SNC fans-- who is the new QB?? Is this a year where SNC is all about Defensive football?

Roop-- any news out of B-town that doesn't involve the genetic freak that is Carrier?

No, not really.  ;) These two games are just that big for the MWC and, hopefully, will match the hype with competitiveness.  But feel free to provide a rundown next week.....   ;D

p.s. Welcome to the board Yupstate!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on August 31, 2011, 05:15:05 PM
Hey I'm just trying to start a little conversation about the game. Any jab I have taken has been directed more at the polls than Wartburg fans. I just think if Wartburg loses they will just say it was because of Tanney (and it well might be) but I think this game comes down to Monmouth's o-line. Move the ball, protect Tanney and even out the time of possession and the Scots will win.  I believe they are as good as Wartburg both defensively and certainly in the skill positions.  I know Wartburg has some solid players but I see this game shaping up exactly like last year's with the result being reversed. Certainly Monmouth will be better than last year's team that went into Wartburg and that game in all fairness could have been 20-14 instead of 27-7. Even if Tanney wasn't playing I'd pick this game as even, but with him playing I'll pick the Scots.  But then again I've been wrong before but if you can't talk up your own team  whats the point in posting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2011, 05:53:38 PM
Tanney had 6 "rushes" for -44 yards against Wartburg last year.  That's what I'm concerned aboot (Canadian), and why I'm not making any perdictions (Tennessee).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Phred on August 31, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
Where is the pick'ems board for the Midwest Conference?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 31, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
Optimism at Lake Forest?  They started 7 to 9 Freshman on each side of the ball the last couple games last year.  Those guys are being pushed by a very good class of Freshman this year.  Then you take the guys that have been there a couple years and you have an aggressive group fighting for playing spots.

Watch.....

So the Gunny says!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 31, 2011, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: Phred on August 31, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
Where is the pick'ems board for the Midwest Conference?

Go to General Football: Child Boards: Pickems.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on August 31, 2011, 09:24:08 PM
Thanks for the welcomes.. I am a big fan of D3.. having watched son #1 play out east, and son #2 attends a MWC school, but is not a football player. I had a chance to meet the coach during move-in day and was very impressed with him as a person, and the players that were helping move people in. If there personality and attitudes are any indicator of their football ability, then there will be a good team in the Chicago-land area. They have kids from all over the country.. I think the coach said 19 different states. Is that common in the MWC?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 31, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
Yupstate,

Lake Forest?  The coach there is all about everything school and community connected.  Not just football!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2011, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Yupstate on August 31, 2011, 03:14:47 PM

SNC fans-- who is the new QB?? Is this a year where SNC is all about Defensive football?


Local paper story on SNC, including QB change.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110831/GPG020102/108310504/Football-Players-change-goal-remains-same-St-Norbert?odyssey=tab|topnews|img|GPG-Sports
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 01, 2011, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
Vote on the name for the new Ripon mascot...

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/riponmascot

the choices are:
Ruckus
Ready
Rudy
Rip
Rally

Alliteration is alive and well in Ripon...


All kinda lame, but I guess I shouldn't expect much more from a bunch of Ripon students.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 01, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
I like Rip. Except I think they should have it look like R.I.P.    Because that is what Ripon will do when they play SNC!!!!

Hi everyone. He graduated so first time on. But I will be looking forward to a couple games and knowing SNC will repeat as MWC Champs.

Right Scottie????   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 01, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
That's "col<d>ad"!  But, welcome back anyway!   ;D 

Hope it works out that the team on the losing end has a Pool C consideration.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2011, 03:26:31 PM
Week 1 Picks

Lakeland @ Carroll - CU
Grinnell @ Macalester - GC
Illinois C. @ Millikin - MU
Washington @ Knox - WU
Lake Forest @ Concordia (IL) - CU
Wartburg @ Monmouth - MC
St. Norbert @ St. Thomas - UST
Beloit @ Chicago - BC
St. Scholastica @ Lawrence - CSS
Ripon @ Wisconsin Lutheran - RC

Feel free to make your own picks!  Good luck Fighting Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 02, 2011, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: larry_u on September 01, 2011, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
Vote on the name for the new Ripon mascot...

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/riponmascot

the choices are:
Ruckus
Ready
Rudy
Rip
Rally

Alliteration is alive and well in Ripon...


All kinda lame, but I guess I shouldn't expect much more from a bunch of Ripon students.....

I agree it's lame, but I love how the only come back that a LU player/fan has is about academics, if you want to talk academics, then start a D3 Scholastic board, otherwise, stick to sports.

This will be one of the rare times you will hear me say this, but good luck Monmouth and Norbs...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 03, 2011, 12:48:09 AM
It appears all is quiet in the Monmouth sector of the Eastern Front.  Invasion from the northwest by the main force of the Germanic horde is expected to begin in ten hours.  Advance scouts may begin to infiltrate the area as early as 8:30 am.  There are reports that groups of knights are massing on the west bank of the Mississippi at this very hour.  See you later Scots.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 03, 2011, 10:31:34 AM
Lakeland @ Carroll - Carroll
Grinnell @ Macalester - Grinnell
Illinois C. @ Millikin - Millikin
Washington @ Knox - KNOX (We are actually looking halfway decent this year)
Lake Forest @ Concordia (IL) - Concordia
Wartburg @ Monmouth - Wartburg
St. Norbert @ St. Thomas - St. Norbert
Beloit @ Chicago - Beloit
St. Scholastica @ Lawrence - St. Scholastica
Ripon @ Wisconsin Lutheran - Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: jayhawkdaddy on September 03, 2011, 12:06:37 PM
Carroll
Grinnell
Millikin
Washington
Concordia(IL)
Monmouth
St Thomas
Chicago
St Scholastica
Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 03, 2011, 01:20:31 PM
Anyone else not able to log in to any of the games thus far ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 02:03:03 PM
I havent tried the Penn Atlantic links... UST says doesn't start until 110p
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 02:03:03 PM
I havent tried the Penn Atlantic links... UST says doesn't start until 110p

SNC/UST link:
http://www.meridix.com/mbp/Football/index.php?liveid=msbnchannel1&recordid=20765&event_position=0&event_type=Football
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 02:33:36 PM
A good start for SNC, anyway.

Punts on first possession, but forces a turnover and drives for TD. 7-0 SNC, halfway through first quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 03, 2011, 03:28:04 PM
Lake forest leads concordia with 7,30 left in the first half,  game temp stop due to lightnimg....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 03:31:17 PM
UST leads SNC 13-7 at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 03, 2011, 03:33:11 PM
Lake forest score is 28 to 26
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on September 03, 2011, 04:38:13 PM
Monmouth-Wartburg Game postponed due to rain and hail.  In the Fourth Quarter with 7:39 left Wartburg winning 28-20.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on September 03, 2011, 04:41:46 PM
To bad  Wartburg was driving deep in Monmouth territory when Monmouth snatched the momentum back by causing a fumble and recovering it.  Then the referee stop play erasing all the momentum.  I hope they don't cancel the game and Monmouth can make some necessary adjustments and take this win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on September 03, 2011, 04:45:44 PM
Quote from: Woodsy76 on September 03, 2011, 04:38:13 PM
Monmouth-Wartburg Game postponed due to rain and hail.  In the Fourth Quarter with 7:39 left Wartburg winning 28-20.

That must be some serious rain and hail  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 03, 2011, 04:59:07 PM
Lake foresr,concordia ga,e jas ended due to loghtnimg witj lale forest up 28 to 26
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bashbrother on September 03, 2011, 05:37:35 PM
Do they plan on restarting this game this evening?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 06:09:03 PM
Final
St. Norbert 7
St. Thomas 20


Final
St. Scholastica 34
Lawrence 21

Final
Knox 10
Washington Univ. 28

Final/OT
Illinois 34
Millikin 30

6pm
Beloit
Chicago

7pm
Ripon
Wisconsin Lutheran



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on September 03, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
Seems like the Norbert D is doing really well this year to hold the Tommies to that low of a score.  Norbies offense must be doing pretty good as from the score I assume they were able to move the ball and not put it in the endzone. 

Tough lose, but the bright side is they open up their Midwest conference play this coming week with Beliot...and should come away with a win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
Final
Lakeland 0
Carroll 13

Final
Cornell 36
Olivet 35

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on September 03, 2011, 09:47:14 PM
With two games suspended, does anyone know if those games count? stats?

Looks like all MWC teams had good showings..

Fbakdad: looks like your optimism was well placed.. Big plays on offense for LFC..

Scottie: thoughts on Monmouth vs. Wart burg?

With IC getting a win without their HC, is there a coaching controversy?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 03, 2011, 10:06:57 PM
Chicago 44 Beloit 25. Some missed opportunities put the Bucs in a hole they couldn't get out of.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 03, 2011, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Yupstate on September 03, 2011, 09:47:14 PM
With two games suspended, does anyone know if those games count? stats?

Looks like all MWC teams had good showings..

Fbakdad: looks like your optimism was well placed.. Big plays on offense for LFC..

Scottie: thoughts on Monmouth vs. Wart burg?


With IC getting a win without their HC, is there a coaching controversy?

Y-State: You had to ask ME, huh??   :D  Quick disclaimer - I left minutes before the game was postponed because I wanted to get a head start on Hurricane Irene, and I didn't see the last 9 minutes.  Okay, here are some general thoughts.....

- A good game today between two good teams, obviously. Don't be surprised if Wartburg wins out up to the playoffs. The game was generally within a score either way.  BUT,
- A tough break for Tanney to throw a pick-six on their first drive of the game, especially since he'll probably only have one or two more interceptions the rest of the year.  I think the ball deflected off of his receiver, similar to several other drops today.  (I'll credit a tough W-burg defense that may have had some young receivers waiting for the hit instead of concentrating on the ball.)  The Scots moved the ball really well the rest of the have and "woulda-shoulda-coulda" built up a bigger lead by halftime.
- The Wartburg offense drew up a very nice pass play, long and straight up the middle, that hurt the Scots three times.  One went for the TD and another went down to the 1 or 2 yard line.  A Knights player laid out for a VERY nice catch, also inside the 20.  The MC secondary had a tough day. 
- Generally speaking, this was the type of game & outcome which should motivate the Scots the rest of the way.  Kudos for scheduling a playoff caliber-team to encourage such motivation, even though I'm sure the Scots felt they could have won today.  (I think they could have.)
- Lastly, I wish I was 20 years old again.  But that has nothing to do with football.....   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2011, 11:49:09 PM
Final
Ripon 44
Wisconsin Lutheran 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 04, 2011, 12:50:39 AM
I posted this on the IIAC board, but I wanted to share with our friends from Monmouth:

I encountered many nice alumni, fans, employees and students of both schools today.  One was a former Monmouth player who shared shelter at the tennis courts during one of the longer monsoons.  Another was the top fan of Wartburg's #45.  She must have thought I looked like I was about to have heat stroke.  She brought me a bottle of cold water.  That was very nice of her to do.  Finally, as I left the stadium I found myself walking with three Monmouth students who had been helpers of some sort during the game.  They were all very nice and went out of their way to engage an old coot like me in the conversation they were having about the day's events.  Monmouth should be proud of those three.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 04, 2011, 11:32:09 AM
Anyone know the rule on a game stopped?  When is it an official game?  Wondering about the Lake FOrest game.  I saw on the news that one of the Michigan games stopped in the 3rd and was considerred a,final score. Then I see the Forest game listed as ppd and another d3 game returning today to finish!  Too confusing for,this Marine!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2011, 01:01:35 PM
Since it didn't go a half I don't think it can be an official game and because neither team has corresponding open dates the rest of the way I doubt they will complete it. So it will go down as a 9 game season for both teams and the stats won't count.

So after week 1 the MWC went 4-5-1* against teams with an overall record of 72-31 last season. However, when you look at most of the competition it really isn't that an impressive of a stat. In reality all we know is this. Beloit, Knox, Lawrence, Monmouth and St. Norbert have been eliminated from Pool C contention.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2011, 01:21:13 PM
It is disappointing -- both teams have a corresponding open date: today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 04, 2011, 02:30:16 PM
True but nothing was mentioned on the Lake Forest website about Sundays being an option; so I excluded today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 04, 2011, 04:03:42 PM
Hard one to take if your a MC fan.  Can't help but think the difference in this game was 4 big plays. If any of the 4 don't happen I really think MC wins. But you have to give credit to Wartburg because they made them and MC didn't.  I really thought MC had a chance to put this game away both in the first half and early in the second half but they settled for field goals and then fumbled when it appeared they were going  to go up by 13. Other than one drive MC's defense was really dominated Wartburg in the first half and for part of the second but Wartburg's QB made some great throws under pressure. It appeared Wartburg did make some adjustments and were able to run the ball when they absolutely had to in the 4th quarter. The reverse on 4th and 6th really was a great call by the coach. Wartburgs d really step it up after getting the turnover so once again give them credit.  All I can say is I hope Wartburg is really a top ten club because if they are I believe MC is right there with them.  Good luck to Wartburg the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 04, 2011, 08:57:42 PM
I don't agree with the post that Lake Forest and Concordia should have played the rest of the game today.  Even though the game was stopped before the half, both teams were playing and hitting hard.  To have them both come back the next day would have been asking for guys who really needed a break to compete again at game level.  Asking for uneeded injuries for a Non-Conference game.....  I agree with the coaches with that call. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2011, 09:04:13 PM
Well, another game did it today and it's been done in the past. I just hate to see kids not get a chance to play the few games that D-III rules allow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 06, 2011, 02:19:13 PM
Tough weekend.  Monmouth up 20-14 at half and opens up with a great drive.  Fumbles on the Warburg 5 and then Wartburg runs to the same play to the same side twice for two basically two scores.  One touchdown and another to the 1 yard line.  I found it odd that the best player in Division III was minimized by the offensive playcalling.  Monmouth could have pushed it down the field plenty, but they dipped and dunked and got to 4th down very quickly on a few drives.  Then when they had to go deep at the end of the game and Wartburg was in a prevent defense (well, prevent-like coverage) Tanney picks apart the offense and they go the length of the field in a minute.  Now I know that you have to even out the game with short and long and running, but it seemed as though they could have pushed it a little more down field.  Anyway, my real concern is after the rain delay.  They have a 2.5 hour delay with a chance to set up a game tying drive and the first two plays are a quick out and a draw.

I think the better team physically was Monmouth.  The team that took advantage of their opportunities and all around played a better football game was Wartburg.  I know this for sure.  The weapons in the Monmouth offense are looking good and there are going to be some beatings in the MWC this year.  I think this game will be a great experience builder for the Scots and there is a good shot that these two teams could meet in the Playoffs.

On to Grinnell...will Tanney come back with a vengence after being knocked out by Grinnell last year.

And is there a better natural turf then at Grinnell?  They do still have natural grass don't they?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2011, 05:16:14 PM
As I do a little bean counting, it appears that both Wartburg and Monmouth moved up in the rankings - Wartburg up 1 spot to #14 and Monmouth up 4 spots to #34 (from receiving 10 votes to 15).  Still would have greatly preferred a "W" and cracked the Top 25, of course, but at least the Scots are still on the voters' radar.

And as for Tanney's rematch with Grinnell, I hope it goes something like this....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvepAotTZPQ&feature=related   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on September 06, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 06, 2011, 05:16:14 PM
As I do a little bean counting, it appears that both Wartburg and Monmouth moved up in the rankings - Wartburg up 1 spot to #14 and Monmouth up 4 spots to #34 (from receiving 10 votes to 15).  Still would have greatly preferred a "W" and cracked the Top 25, of course, but at least the Scots are still on the voters' radar.

And as for Tanney's rematch with Grinnell, I hope it goes something like this....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvepAotTZPQ&feature=related   ;D
Not a fan of the movie, but I got a good laugh out of that scene!! Similar to Peyton Manning on SNL when he was throwing passes to the kids on the playground. He joked that those were some of his best throws ever as he was throwing nerf balls that actually had the foam removed from the middle!

Good luck to the Scots this weekend
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on September 07, 2011, 11:34:37 PM
Last year, week 1, was "upset" weekend in the MWC.. Beloit beat St. Norbert without Coach Purtill, Grinnell destroyed Monmouths season hopes, Lawrence over Knox, Carroll over IC, and Ripon mauled the Foresters... Will the MWC be topsy-turvy again in '11?

Any "predictions" or "guarantees?"

Is this the only chance for a Knox or Lawrence victory?

Will anyone match Ripon's 60+points from a year ago?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 08, 2011, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: Yupstate on September 07, 2011, 11:34:37 PM
Last year, week 1, was "upset" weekend in the MWC.. Beloit beat St. Norbert without Coach Purtill, Grinnell destroyed Monmouths season hopes, Lawrence over Knox, Carroll over IC, and Ripon mauled the Foresters... Will the MWC be topsy-turvy again in '11?

Any "predictions" or "guarantees?"

Is this the only chance for a Knox or Lawrence victory?

Will anyone match Ripon's 60+points from a year ago?

Yupstate - I understand you are new to the board and conference, but Ripon beating the Foresters was not an upset.....  The only upsets that accured that week was Norbs, Monmouth and MAYBE LU(but i'm not sure anyone cared about that came).  Just an FYI for you.  I'll be heading to Lake Forest this weekend to watch the RC vs LF game.  It's supposed to be great weather..  Anyone going to be there?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 08, 2011, 04:53:31 PM
I'll be at the Lake Forest game.  There's going to be some stuff paying tribute to Servicemen (Semper Fi Marines!) and Responders (Police, Fire, etc).

Looking forward to it.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 08, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
I know no one asked, and nobody probably cares, but the Knox-WashU game was actually a decent game. The Knox defense forced 5 fumbles and recovered 4, we look really fast and fly around to the ball bu as been our problem in the past, we have very poor pass defense, especially in the red zone. The game may have been a lot closer if it were not for our 5 turnovers, 2 of which were on special teams (the other 3 interceptions, one on 4th down late in the 4th quarter). Our receivers looked really good, we had no dropped passes and some pretty impressive catches. It is the first year in the few years I have been following the team where we are at least 2 players deep at practically every skill position on offense. Our O-line is pretty young (1 senior starter, 2 junior, 2 sophomores) but didn't look out-matched by any means. Too many poor decisions at QB and poor red zone pass defense made this game look worse than it actually was. I was very happy with what I saw from the team on week 1 and really do believe we have an opportunity to put a few notches in the win column this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2011, 12:43:07 AM
That's alright -- nobody needs to ask for you to tell what you saw at a D-III game! Keep posting. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2011, 10:33:49 AM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on September 08, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
I know no one asked, and nobody probably cares, but the Knox-WashU game was actually a decent game. The Knox defense forced 5 fumbles and recovered 4, we look really fast and fly around to the ball bu as been our problem in the past, we have very poor pass defense, especially in the red zone. The game may have been a lot closer if it were not for our 5 turnovers, 2 of which were on special teams (the other 3 interceptions, one on 4th down late in the 4th quarter). Our receivers looked really good, we had no dropped passes and some pretty impressive catches. It is the first year in the few years I have been following the team where we are at least 2 players deep at practically every skill position on offense. Our O-line is pretty young (1 senior starter, 2 junior, 2 sophomores) but didn't look out-matched by any means. Too many poor decisions at QB and poor red zone pass defense made this game look worse than it actually was. I was very happy with what I saw from the team on week 1 and really do believe we have an opportunity to put a few notches in the win column this year.

Thanks, KOTR.  It's been a rough week and I needed a good chuckle.   ;)  But, seriously, I hope we're both undefeated (in MWC) heading into Turkey Week.  Don't look past Lawrence in anticipation of the SNC showdown, however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 09, 2011, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 02, 2011, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: larry_u on September 01, 2011, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
Vote on the name for the new Ripon mascot...

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/riponmascot

the choices are:
Ruckus
Ready
Rudy
Rip
Rally

Alliteration is alive and well in Ripon...


All kinda lame, but I guess I shouldn't expect much more from a bunch of Ripon students.....

I agree it's lame, but I love how the only come back that a LU player/fan has is about academics, if you want to talk academics, then start a D3 Scholastic board, otherwise, stick to sports.

This will be one of the rare times you will hear me say this, but good luck Monmouth and Norbs...

I know where my bread is buttered.  We suck at football.  Hopefully once basketball season starts again we will be back to a level where we are both better at learning and scoring then Ripon once again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 09, 2011, 11:23:42 AM
Hey ROOP!!!  Pay Back Time tomorrow. You goin down!!!   8-)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 09, 2011, 02:05:36 PM
University of Chicago probably wouldn't be the favorite if they were in the MWC but would certainly be one of the contenders. They handled Beloit pretty well as Beloit can't stop the run. Could be a long day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 09, 2011, 02:50:59 PM
Excited for the weekend.  Probably going to be watching the game online.  Right now, Penn Atlantic says the MC GC game will cost $6.95.  What is that about?  I thought it was free.  What are your picks for tomorrow

Monmouth @ Grinnell  MC 42  GC 10
Beloit @ SNC  SNC 42  BC  10
Larry @ Knox  LU 17  KC 14
Ripon @ Lake Forest  RC 50  LF 14
Carroll @ Illinois College  CC 27  IC 24

That's right, only one home team winning tomorrow.  Could be some sad crowds in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 09, 2011, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 09, 2011, 10:33:49 AM
Thanks, KOTR.  It's been a rough week and I needed a good chuckle.   ;)  But, seriously, I hope we're both undefeated (in MWC) heading into Turkey Week.  Don't look past Lawrence in anticipation of the SNC showdown, however.

We won't be undefeated, that's for sure, but I could see us POTENTIALLY winning 7 MWC games (Lawrence, Beloit, Grinnell, Carroll, Lake Forest, IC, and Monmouth) this year (although realistically I think it will be closer to 4: Lawrence, Grinnell, Lake Forest, and IC)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 09, 2011, 03:39:51 PM
Monmouth @ Grinnell  - Monmouth (If Tanney doesn't get hurt)
Beloit @ SNC - SNC
Larry @ Knox - Knox
Ripon @ Lake Forest - Ripon
Carroll @ Illinois College - IC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2011, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: KnoxOnTheRise on September 09, 2011, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 09, 2011, 10:33:49 AM
Thanks, KOTR.  It's been a rough week and I needed a good chuckle.   ;)  But, seriously, I hope we're both undefeated (in MWC) heading into Turkey Week.  Don't look past Lawrence in anticipation of the SNC showdown, however.

We won't be undefeated, that's for sure, but I could see us POTENTIALLY winning 7 MWC games (Lawrence, Beloit, Grinnell, Carroll, Lake Forest, IC, and Monmouth) this year (although realistically I think it will be closer to 4: Lawrence, Grinnell, Lake Forest, and IC)

Nice work, KOTR.  I almost spit Coke on my screen after reading that!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on September 09, 2011, 11:31:08 PM
Red hawk sighting... Not an upset that Ripon, but the margin was surprising, I would think.

Good luck to all, and stay healthy
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 10, 2011, 12:01:54 AM
Week 2 Picks

Monmouth @ Grinnell - MC
Beloit @ St. Norbert - SNC
Lawrence @ Knox - LU
Ripon @ Lake Forest - RC
Carroll @ Illinois C. - CU

Payback time for last year!  Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 10, 2011, 03:13:24 PM
Halftime at Lake Forest.  Ripon 17 Lake Forest 10.  Back and forth game.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 10, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Monmouth up 45-0 at half
SNC up 17-0 at half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 10, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
LU 34  KC 21 at half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 10, 2011, 05:15:08 PM
MWC FINAL SCORES:

Monmouth 61 - Grinnell 20

St. Norbert 30 - Beloit 14

Lawrence 62 - Knox 42

Ripon 29 - Lake Forest 24

Illinois C. 34 - Carroll 27
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 10, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
Good for the Vikings!

Just got back from SNC/BC. Sorry for no updates during the game, but there's a problem with my Blackberry.  >:(

SNC won 30-14 in a sloppy game.

There were three penalties on the opening kickoff - SNC kicked it out of bounds and a personal foul on each team. Way too many flags for both teams. I think Beloit gained more yards in the first half on SNC penalties than they did offensively.

It was 17-0 SNC at the half. SNC used a fake punt on the Buc 42 and ran it for a TD, but other wise the offense was average at best in the first half.

SNC would build the lead to 30-0 before the Bucs got two TDs late for the final tally. BC has a few nice playmakers - particularly the WR #2 - but just be consistent offensively throughout the game.

A nice home opener win for the Knights. Siwash come to town next week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 10, 2011, 09:24:08 PM
Looks like the Scots are back into video-game-scoring mode.  KOTR: If Larry is putting up 60 on you, that defense better figure itself out, or the Scots are going to put up a hundo.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 11, 2011, 04:19:38 PM
Monmouth has 660 yards of total offense.  Wow...Tanney came back with a vengence.  I don't know if anyone saw this play, but Monmouth had just intercepted a ball and were on the right hash.  The next play was from the 40.  Tanney dropped back and threw what I thought when it left his hand, was a post pattern.  The ball ended up no where close to the middle of the field.  He threw a 40 yard bomb on a line to the left corner of the endzone.  The ball travel somewhere, by my math (some high school Trig was called on here), around 60 yards on a line.  It was impressive.  I thought it was very funny when one of the Grinnell players before the game was running around on all fours like a monkey.  Then their linebackers sounded like they were barking.  In the end, they really just ended up looking silly.  Great game by the Scots.  It was clearly over after about 6 minutes into the game.  Now on to Lawrence.  If Knox scored 42, I just don't know how many Monmouth will score.  I am guessing that they can at least get to 30  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 13, 2011, 01:08:49 PM
LU OWNS KNOX!!!!


now back to our regularly scheduled 1-9 football season.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 13, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
Looks like Tanney might have some competition for best QB in the MWC this season....

Lawrence University quarterback Luke Barthelmess  was 28 of 39 for 549 yards and six touchdowns to pace the Vikings (1-1, 1-0 MWC). Barthelmess broke the MWC single-game passing record of 532 yards, set by Knox's Bob Monroe in 1986. He shattered the Lawrence record of 466, set by Lawrence Hall of Famer Bill McNamara vs. Coe College in 1986. The six touchdown passes breaks the Lawrence record of five, set by Eric Aspenson vs. Knox in 2007.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 13, 2011, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: larry_u on September 13, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
Looks like Tanney might have some competition for best QB in the MWC this season....

Well, hey, what do you know?  Looks like you'll be able to compare them side by side this weekend.  Who needs Manning vs. Brady???  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on September 13, 2011, 11:48:46 PM
The "defense-less" conference.. Every team but two (LFC, Beloit) had over 400yards total offense... This might be a first.

Anything to look towards this week? Are there any big player vs. Player match ups?

Also, who is the best Wr in the league?
Nominees:
Thompson @ IC
Seer @ Grinnell
Carrier @ Beloit
Davis@ LFC
Blodgett@ Monmouth
Mazur @ Lawrence
Cuthbert @Knox

Please base on ability, not just stats.. Different schemes create inflated numbers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 14, 2011, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 13, 2011, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: larry_u on September 13, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
Looks like Tanney might have some competition for best QB in the MWC this season....

Well, hey, what do you know?  Looks like you'll be able to compare them side by side this weekend.  Who needs Manning vs. Brady???  ;D


I have a gut feeling I know who is going to win that battle....but hey, miracles happen.  Monmouth might win  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 14, 2011, 03:05:11 PM
Best WR in the MWC this year...I'll take Blodgett @ Monmouth.

Gameday Central on the website (see link below) has been updated with side-by-side information links on both Monmouth and Lawrence for this Saturday's game. (shameless plug ;))
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 14, 2011, 10:10:01 PM
From this week's Around The Midwest column...

"Back on track
Monmouth quarterback Alex Tanney seems to be back on track with a 355-yard performance in a 61-20 victory over Grinnell. Tanney completed 21 of 28 passes and threw for four touchdowns. Wide receiver Mike Blodgett had eight of those catches for 164 yards, including a 634-yarder less than a minute into the game. Trey Yocum benefitted from the air show, to rush for 165 yards."

Now that is an impressive stat! ;)  Also my reasoning for picking him as the best WR in the MWC in my previous post. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 14, 2011, 10:31:59 PM
The Monmouth kid, Blodgett, is the only nominee I've seen play.  He is really good.  It would take quite a receiver to be better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 15, 2011, 03:05:45 AM
Carrier has "next level" size and skills. Unfortunately he's not a secret anymore and will see lots of double teams now that they are a little thin at that position. Probably doesn't get drafted but I can see him as an undrafted free agent that sticks somewhere.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 15, 2011, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Maverick on September 14, 2011, 10:10:01 PM
From this week's Around The Midwest column...

"Back on track
Monmouth quarterback Alex Tanney seems to be back on track with a 355-yard performance in a 61-20 victory over Grinnell. Tanney completed 21 of 28 passes and threw for four touchdowns. Wide receiver Mike Blodgett had eight of those catches for 164 yards, including a 634-yarder less than a minute into the game. Trey Yocum benefitted from the air show, to rush for 165 yards."

Now that is an impressive stat! ;)  Also my reasoning for picking him as the best WR in the MWC in my previous post. ;D

That IS impressive!!  I've heard of teams "running up and down the field" on their opponents, but a 634-yard play is ridiculous!  They must have been trying to run down the clock after a few of those sub-minute drives.  (Kudos to the strength & conditioning coaches.)  GO SCOTS!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on September 16, 2011, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 10, 2011, 09:24:08 PM
Looks like the Scots are back into video-game-scoring mode.  KOTR: If Larry is putting up 60 on you, that defense better figure itself out, or the Scots are going to put up a hundo.   :D
Not a chance, idk what our defensive scheme our coaches were trying to use out there. I certainly have never seen a scheme where (against a pass-heavy offense) you only rush 3 and don't have a flat defender at all. Also, I heard there have been a lot of personnel/starting changes on the defensive side of the ball, as there should have been, so it hopefully that will help. Considering that we scored 42 and had a ton of yards while still throwing 3 interceptions is impressive even considering the fact that it was against Lawrence. They were better than I was expecting, although we certainly helped make them look A LOT better than they were. I'm looking forward to the trip to SNC this weekend to see if we can't do some positive things against a good team. And who knows, maybe if we figure out how to tackle and SNC comes into the game over confident we play it close and have a chance (I am not going to count on that however)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 16, 2011, 05:51:56 AM
What about this weekends games guys?

After a nice start that was ended too soon against Concordia, then a very well fought battle (but a close loss) last weekend against Ripon, I predict a win for Lake Forest.  It looked like they are really comming together the last two weeks.  They easily could have folded early in the game after Ripon scored on a turnover going up by two TD's.  But Forest dug deep and fought back.  Exciting game with an onside kick attempt and a 4th down stop in the last 3 minutes.  Only to get stopped by an interception in thier final drive. 

My prediction: Lake Forest 28 Illinois College 14

Any others?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 16, 2011, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 16, 2011, 05:51:56 AM
What about this weekends games guys?

After a nice start that was ended too soon against Concordia, then a very well fought battle (but a close loss) last weekend against Ripon, I predict a win for Lake Forest.  It looked like they are really comming together the last two weeks.  They easily could have folded early in the game after Ripon scored on a turnover going up by two TD's.  But Forest dug deep and fought back.  Exciting game with an onside kick attempt and a 4th down stop in the last 3 minutes.  Only to get stopped by an interception in thier final drive. 

My prediction: Lake Forest 28 Illinois College 14

Any others?

I agree.  I was at that game and Lake Forest might look the best they have looked in awhile.  It was a close game that in my opinion (bias as it may be) I think that Ripon hurt themselves more than Lake Forest hurt them.  That number 30 from Lake Forest is a beast.  Even though he is like 5 foot 2 inches, he is agressive and tough.  He made a lot of big plays. 

I pick RC to beat GC by 3 TD's.  Still up in the air if i'll make that trip....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 16, 2011, 09:23:37 AM
I'll take:

Illinois College 34 @ Lake Forest 20       
Knox 14 @ St. Norbert 54                       
Grinnell 21 @ Ripon 28                               
Lawrence 13 @ Monmouth 58                     
Carroll 20 @ Beloit 14 

Enjoy a great weekend of MWC football!                               
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 16, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
Week 3 Picks

Illinois C. @ Lake Forest - IC
Knox @ St. Norbert - SNC
Grinnell @ Ripon - RC
Lawrence @ Monmouth - MC
Carroll @ Beloit - CU

I'm in agreement with TitanPride on all of this weekend's games, except I think IC @ LFC will turn out to be closer than a 14-point margin and Ripon may end up beating Grinnell by more than 7.  Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2011, 08:44:07 PM
I agree with the outcome predictions but am not sure that Knox or Larry will reach double-figures......combined.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 02:18:07 PM
SNC and Knox have combined for three turnovers in the first 5:00. Still 0-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 02:32:40 PM
About to leave the TV... 7-0 SNC, almost end of the first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2011, 02:38:22 PM
Monmouth up 14-0, end of the 1st quarter.

Do the webcast announcers not realize that the Scots have been running the no-huddle offense for the last several seasons? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 02:46:32 PM
Another TD pass, now 14-0 SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 02:55:08 PM
Fabrizio tosses his 3rd TD, this one 28 yards. 21-0 Green Knights.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2011, 03:20:30 PM
Monmouth up 42-0, at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
SNC misses long fg at end of the half. 21-0 SNC

SNC outgaining Knox 267-60, and 22 of Knox's yards came on one rush.

Turnovers are 3 for the PF, 1 for GK.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2011, 03:24:24 PM
Another halftime score, courtesy of the D3football.com scoreboard...

Illinois C. leads Lake Forest, 27-21

No scoreboard updates on the Grinnell/Ripon game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 03:56:42 PM
SNC gets 2 more TDs. 36-0, still 3rd Q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 17, 2011, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 17, 2011, 03:20:30 PM
Monmouth up 42-0, at the half.

Mav: Does that mean that Tanney is winning the highly-anticipated QB match-up against the Larry gunslinger?   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2011, 04:35:45 PM
Yes, I believe 300+ passing yards in the first half puts him in the lead of this match-up. ;)  (At least I think that's what the announcers said during the halftime stats anyways)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2011, 04:38:12 PM
Monmouth 56 - Lawrence 0

FINAL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
SNC wins 43-7.

The prediction about the Vikings and Fire not reaching double digits combined comes true. Well done, sir.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 17, 2011, 04:48:40 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
SNC wins 43-7.

The prediction about the Vikings and Fire not reaching double digits combined comes true. Well done, sir.

Thank you, kindly!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 17, 2011, 05:11:12 PM
Final - IC 48 LF 35
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 17, 2011, 07:11:02 PM
Final
Grinnell 20
Ripon 38


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 17, 2011, 08:53:56 PM
After watching the IC game at Lake Forest all I can say is that was the worst officiated games that I've watched in years.  The Refs should take the checks they recieved and donate the money to a good charity.  Horrible.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on September 17, 2011, 09:39:50 PM
Was intown to see my kid, so I was at the LFC game..I agree with fbakdad.. Thought the Foresters looked flat..

IC gambled a lot... Going for two, surprise onside kick, etc.. They weren't successful, but showed creativity.

Fbakdad.. Where were the LFC students? Felt the IC faithful showed up...not sure about Forester fans.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 18, 2011, 06:39:51 AM
Not sure where the students were...maybe studying?lol

The Illinios Freshman QB was outstanding.  MVP of the game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 18, 2011, 08:36:28 AM
Boy it sounds like another qb match up for Tanney.  At least it's not Blu junior which at least gives Tanney a chance. Looks like we will know if the Scots will win the conference in the next two weeks. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on September 18, 2011, 06:46:58 PM
So what are Ripon's chances of challanging for, and winning the conference this year? Or is it likely to be same old same old with St. Norbert and Monmouth dueling for it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 18, 2011, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on September 18, 2011, 06:46:58 PM
So what are Ripon's chances of challanging for, and winning the conference this year? Or is it likely to be same old same old with St. Norbert and Monmouth dueling for it?

This should answer your question, MJ....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 19, 2011, 09:48:48 AM
Some one tell me how this works.  Last week, Monmouth beats Grinnell 61-20 and has 660 yards of total offense.  They get 24 top 25 votes.  This week, they hold a team that scored 62 points to a shutout.  A team that had 600 yards the week before to under 200.  Oh and by the way, they had 680 yards of offense this week.  And they get 10 votes.  They dropped by 14 votes?  The only team that beat them, Wartburg, moves up 3 spots and is 3-0.  That game was pretty evenly fought and minus two big plays that accounted for most of Wartburgs passing offense, Monmouth wins that game.  If anybody has a reason why this drop of votes happened.  Then by all means, I will understand, but it doesn't make sense to me right now.  Pat, were there some bigs wins out there in DIII land that I am not aware of?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2011, 10:08:48 AM
I think one consideration would have to be Mississippi College forcing its way onto a lot of ballots. I'm sure that MC passed Monmouth on almost every voter's list. It might not be a stretch for that to account for 14 points.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 19, 2011, 10:45:02 AM
Thanks Pat!  I didn't notice that MC was not even receiving votes last week.  That would make sense
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2011, 11:54:21 AM
I think the way it works is that the good guys needed to win in Week 1.  Do that, and maybe we're sniffing the top 10 right now.  As it stands, we need to keep it up (win out) and maybe reach the top 20 by the end of the regular season.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 19, 2011, 12:28:42 PM
Does it really matter if MC is ranked or not? Look where the #8 ranking got them a few years ago. And frankly I'm sorry but what can one tell with that win over Lawrence and Grinnell? Offensively Grinnell had a little talent but Lawrence? Sorry but that was the most one dimensional offense I have ever seen at any level, how they scored 62 against Knox is beyond comprehension. I'm shocked they got as many yards as they did despite the shutout because everyone in the stands knew what they were going to do each play. With that said it was a little disappointing to see some of the penalties called on MC for taunting etc. They in the past have won with a lot more class. I'm sure some of the penalties would not have been called in a closer game but c'mon guys act like you've done it before. We probably didn't have to go for it on fourth down winning by 49 either.  With that said shame on the Lawrence coach for crying about in the paper. Don't know what was said between coaches after the game but that would have been time to address it.  Its funny because I remember some taunting by the Lawrence players of MC going into half time last year- when they were up a few scores. Wasn't sure which coach was laughing with them  but I guess that backfired on them. Getting back to the rankings- MC just has to win out and win a playoff game before they deserve to be ranked- beating Lawrence by any score isn't much to hang your hat on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on September 19, 2011, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 18, 2011, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on September 18, 2011, 06:46:58 PM
So what are Ripon's chances of challanging for, and winning the conference this year? Or is it likely to be same old same old with St. Norbert and Monmouth dueling for it?

This should answer your question, MJ....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

;D

It made me laugh! +k
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 19, 2011, 03:03:38 PM
Moncolfan...agreed.  It seemed a little chippy at the end.  As a coach myself, you want your kids to play hard all the time in football and if a late hit happens, it happens.  Bottom line, whatever you think is a great play on the DIII field, is made daily in the upper levels.  No your role and play the game.  That goes the same for Lawrence.  They were just as bad when it came to the trash talkin and now they are whining about Monmouth because they got beat so bad.  I was at the game a year ago and they wouldn't shut their mouths in the first half.  Dancing, celebrating after every play....whoopin it up like a girls softball team on the sideline.  I was watching the game on the internet last week and they acted the same way to Knox.

In the end, there is no need for trash talking in DIII football.  Go play the game, when you act like that, you are just being the meatball football stereotype.  Win with class and lose with class.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2011, 03:17:05 PM
All very well said there by Moncolfan and Kilts & Bagpipes...good stuff guys.  And I'm sure the MC coaching staff will get the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties taken care of this week so they do not continue to be an issue as the season moves forward.  If I may add something to the discussion regarding the quote from Coach Howard in the newspaper, a program with no class and poor behavior would've gone ahead and punched in that last touchdown to make it 63 rather than taking a knee at the 1-yard line after 15 straight run plays to finish the final 10 minutes of the game.

Also, no worries about the rankings.  Take care of business in the MWC, get some more W's on the resume, and the rest of that stuff will take care of itself all in good time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2011, 05:19:13 PM
If anyone would like to copy & paste the coach's comments, Scottie would appreciate it. 

Thanks,

Scottie
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 19, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 19, 2011, 09:48:48 AM
Some one tell me how this works.  Last week, Monmouth beats Grinnell 61-20 and has 660 yards of total offense.  They get 24 top 25 votes.  This week, they hold a team that scored 62 points to a shutout.  A team that had 600 yards the week before to under 200.  Oh and by the way, they had 680 yards of offense this week.  And they get 10 votes.  They dropped by 14 votes?  The only team that beat them, Wartburg, moves up 3 spots and is 3-0.  That game was pretty evenly fought and minus two big plays that accounted for most of Wartburgs passing offense, Monmouth wins that game.   If anybody has a reason why this drop of votes happened.  Then by all means, I will understand, but it doesn't make sense to me right now.  Pat, were there some bigs wins out there in DIII land that I am not aware of?

Were ifs and buts, candy and nuts, Christmas would last all year.  :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 20, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
"My first thought is that the team that is significantly better and has high aspirations should not have to resort to personal fouls and taunting, and swearing at us on the sidelines," said Howard. "I would expect more from this program. If they want to be the program that they say they want to be, then I would expect behavior that way. They are a good team, but that was an ugly display of football. You can quote me on that."  Quote from LU coach in the Daily Review

By the way Warthog - I agree with you but I will say this I think MC would love to have another crack at you guys so hopefully WC can run the table and host  a playoff game against the Scots- not entirely impossible is it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 20, 2011, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: warthog on September 19, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 19, 2011, 09:48:48 AM
Some one tell me how this works.  Last week, Monmouth beats Grinnell 61-20 and has 660 yards of total offense.  They get 24 top 25 votes.  This week, they hold a team that scored 62 points to a shutout.  A team that had 600 yards the week before to under 200.  Oh and by the way, they had 680 yards of offense this week.  And they get 10 votes.  They dropped by 14 votes?  The only team that beat them, Wartburg, moves up 3 spots and is 3-0.  That game was pretty evenly fought and minus two big plays that accounted for most of Wartburgs passing offense, Monmouth wins that game.   If anybody has a reason why this drop of votes happened.  Then by all means, I will understand, but it doesn't make sense to me right now.  Pat, were there some bigs wins out there in DIII land that I am not aware of?

Were ifs and buts, candy and nuts, Christmas would last all year.  :-*

I was in no way saying that MC should have beat Wartburg.  My point was that it was a pretty evenly matched game and that Monmouth had every opportunity to win that game.  I think the two teams are evenly matched and for Wartburg to be ranked 10 and Monmouth to be unranked is a pretty wide spread for two pretty close teams.  Not trying to take anything away from Wartburgs win.  Sorry if it looked that way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 20, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 20, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
"My first thought is that the team that is significantly better and has high aspirations should not have to resort to personal fouls and taunting, and swearing at us on the sidelines," said Howard. "I would expect more from this program. If they want to be the program that they say they want to be, then I would expect behavior that way. They are a good team, but that was an ugly display of football. You can quote me on that."  Quote from LU coach in the Daily Review


Okay, thanks.  I think what the good coach meant was that it was a beautiful display of football, but an ugly display of sportsmanship.  So, were these taunts during the first quarter when the outcome was still in doubt (stay with me...:) ) or later in the game when the outcome was determined?  Were they made by the all-conference caliber starters, or the second or third or fourth string?  Were they in response to anything the LU players could have possible said pre-game, demonstrating some sort of inflated machismo following a 62-point outburst the week before against the "mighty" Knox?  In either scenario, I'm sure Mav is right that the MC coaches will put a stop to it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 20, 2011, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 20, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 20, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
"My first thought is that the team that is significantly better and has high aspirations should not have to resort to personal fouls and taunting, and swearing at us on the sidelines," said Howard. "I would expect more from this program. If they want to be the program that they say they want to be, then I would expect behavior that way. They are a good team, but that was an ugly display of football. You can quote me on that."  Quote from LU coach in the Daily Review


Okay, thanks.  I think what the good coach meant was that it was a beautiful display of football, but an ugly display of sportsmanship.  So, were these taunts during the first quarter when the outcome was still in doubt (stay with me...:) ) or later in the game when the outcome was determined?  Were they made by the all-conference caliber starters, or the second or third or fourth string?  Were they in response to anything the LU players could have possible said pre-game, demonstrating some sort of inflated machismo following a 62-point outburst the week before against the "mighty" Knox?  In either scenario, I'm sure Mav is right that the MC coaches will put a stop to it.

I am a follower of the non-conference team that has probably played Monmouth more frequently than any other over the past six years. Based on what I have seen of the Fighting Scots program I would guess the coaching staff and/or the administration would put an end to this even without the comments of the Lawrence coach.  I would imagine there was plenty of blame to pass around on both sides of the field.  Rather than whine to a newspaper, I would encourage the LU coaching staff to redouble their efforts to make their football team better.  The best way to quiet a bully is to punch him in the nose and kick him in the groin.  When LU can do that to MC they won't need to worry about what is being said.  They can just point to the score board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 20, 2011, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 20, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 20, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
"My first thought is that the team that is significantly better and has high aspirations should not have to resort to personal fouls and taunting, and swearing at us on the sidelines," said Howard. "I would expect more from this program. If they want to be the program that they say they want to be, then I would expect behavior that way. They are a good team, but that was an ugly display of football. You can quote me on that."  Quote from LU coach in the Daily Review


Okay, thanks.  I think what the good coach meant was that it was a beautiful display of football, but an ugly display of sportsmanship.  So, were these taunts during the first quarter when the outcome was still in doubt (stay with me...:) ) or later in the game when the outcome was determined?  Were they made by the all-conference caliber starters, or the second or third or fourth string?  Were they in response to anything the LU players could have possible said pre-game, demonstrating some sort of inflated machismo following a 62-point outburst the week before against the "mighty" Knox?  In either scenario, I'm sure Mav is right that the MC coaches will put a stop to it.

scottie - After reading through the play-by-play in the box score, there was a personal foul and an unsportsmanlike conduct on the offensive drive in the 3rd quarter that put Monmouth up 49-0.  There was another unsportsmanlike conduct that pushed the kickoff following that touchdown drive back to the 15-yard line.  And on the following Lawrence possession, Monmouth picked up another personal foul and another unsportsmanlike conduct.  There were no names listed on who any of these penalties were given to; but by looking at the names of the players listed on alot of those plays, it appears most of Monmouth's regulars were still in the game at that point (I don't know this for sure, but it just looks this way since many of the names are ones that I recognize).  All of this seems to have been contained to two drives during the 3rd quarter, so I would guess that things were probably just getting a little chippy in a blowout game and some Monmouth guys got caught up in some stuff that they shouldn't have.  I wasn't at the game so I don't know what happened or led to any of the penalties, but I would guess warthog is right when he says "I would imagine there was plenty of blame to pass around on both sides of the field."  Like I said before, I'm sure the Monmouth coaching staff will correct these things so they don't happen in any crucial situations down the road...or so they just don't happen anymore at all.

If I may shift gears for a moment, congratulations to Trey Yocum on being named this week's MWC Offensive Performer of the Week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 20, 2011, 04:34:19 PM
Not to excuse them, but to be honest I don't think a couple of those penalties would have even been called in a closer game. The fact that it was 42-49 or whatever to zip was why they were called. The worst of the three late penalties was the PF on the MC sideline and I think that kid was sent back into the game.  I think the refs just wanted to keep control and for that you can't blame them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 20, 2011, 05:41:37 PM
If the Scots were penalized everytime they got up by 42 points, they'd be one of the most penalized teams in NCAA history!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 22, 2011, 12:11:57 AM
Enough about Larry and the Scots.  What about IC, Norbert and Ripon.  I believe they are still undefeated in the MWC.

Come on --comments!!  How are their QB's doing?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2011, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: grboob on September 22, 2011, 12:11:57 AM
Enough about Larry and the Scots.  What about IC, Norbert and Ripon.  I believe they are still undefeated in the MWC.

Come on --comments!!  How are their QB's doing?

I was thinking the same thing grboob..  This board has been pretty quite and when it is going it is talking about MC and why they should be ranked?   Come on, who have they played and beat that proves they should be ranked?  NO one.  I do have something to say about the Carroll and Ripon game.  Who lets Soccer >:( decide when Football will be played.  That game is at 5pm (which is against conference rules) because of a soccer game....  What should happen is since Carroll can't get the game started on time, it should be moved to a site that can.  Just saying.  Either way this will be a good game for Ripon.  All of RC's conference games have turned out to be close games.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 22, 2011, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: grboob on September 22, 2011, 12:11:57 AM
Enough about Larry and the Scots.  What about IC, Norbert and Ripon.  I believe they are still undefeated in the MWC.

Come on --comments!!  How are their QB's doing?

IC looks to be better this year and with the game being at IC, Monmouth could have a test.  I think that it ends up with a Monmouth win, but IC could make it a good game for a while.  I am just wondering how any defense that gives up 30 points a game is going to be able to handle MC offense.  Seems like they are scoring some points themselves so it might be a question of can IC offense outpace the Monmouth offense.

Is the IC QB a freshman?  Does anyone know what happened to Blu Thru N Thru?  Will Rocky and Bullwinkle escape certain death?

Find out next episode called "Monmouth Bass" or "Boogie Woogie Blueboy"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 22, 2011, 09:53:44 AM
Redhawk...I never said they should be ranked.  What I was asking was why did they lose ground in the "others receiving votes".  And without making Warthog mad, they played a game with the 10 ranked team that could have gone either way.  My question was answered and I agreed.  Moncolfan and Scottie both said that they don't deserved to be ranked.  So I don't get where you are going with that.

Is Ripon young this year?  Why so many close games?  They still seem to be running all over people.  Redzone issues?  Defense issues?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 22, 2011, 09:53:44 AM
Redhawk...I never said they should be ranked.  What I was asking was why did they lose ground in the "others receiving votes".  And without making Warthog mad, they played a game with the 10 ranked team that could have gone either way.  My question was answered and I agreed.  Moncolfan and Scottie both said that they don't deserved to be ranked.  So I don't get where you are going with that.

Is Ripon young this year?  Why so many close games?  They still seem to be running all over people.  Redzone issues?  Defense issues?

K&B - I think my post was taken as an attack when it was only agreeing with what boobies :P (sorry had too) said.  So to answer your question about close games, I would say it has to do with a few things.  RC has a very distinct week spot on D that I know they are working on and the offense has had some issues in the red zone also.  I'd say its a bunch of things that at the end of the day can be fixed.  As far as them being young, I don't know the answer to that question without looking through the roster, but I do know that their QB is a stud.  That leads me to a question, what should an offense be able to score and still feel confident that they can win and what should a defense need to hold a team too, to be confident that the Offense is able to score enough points to win.  The obvious answer the offense needs to score more points than the other team and the defense needs to keep the score under their own.  But I  believe a coach should be able to say that if the Offense puts up 35 points we should walk out with a W, meaning the defense did their job and/or the defense keeps the score to 21 that the offense can put up enough points to win..  thoughts/comments?   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 22, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
As a HS basketball coach myself, I give my teams a goal every year.  I think about what we should be able to hold the other team to and what we should be able to score a game.  For instance

Defense allows no more than 50, Offense scores more than 50.

Obviously, you aren't going to meet both goals every game.  If you did, well like you said, you would never lose.  But if you meet at least one of those goals every game, you should win a majority. If my team holds the other to 40 and we only score 45 we still win.  I know it seems obvious but it puts a team goal in to measurable numbers for the players.

As a defensive oriented coach, I play by the philosophy of if they don't score at all, you can't lose.  I set much lower goals.  If I have a high powered offense, my numbers are higher.  I think every coach goes into a game saying, if we score 35 points or we hold them to 20, we win.

That being said, you can't stress these as the end all and be all of the game because what if they give up 35 points in the first half, they might think, well, we didn't reach our goal, this one is over.  But when you meet those goals, you have to point them out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2011, 11:48:31 AM
I completely understand what you are saying I was a high school football coach and college basketball coach also.  I was more or less getting at there needs to be a number out there where you go back to the drawing board and say, "we scored 35 points but gave up 42 we need to concentrate on Defense a little more this week".  Obviously then the offensive coordinator is telling the offense that we need to score more points, so there can't be a set in stone number, because you are correct in saying you don't want a side of the ball giving up if they hit their goal to early, I am more looking at it as a coach, on what side needs more work...  At the end of the day it's a team sport and you can't put blame on one side or the other.  This was more to get people talking and see where some people stand.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 22, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
I would like to know what, exactly, this all has to do with Monmouth College Football?   ;D  Sorry couldn't resist....

Hey, The Roop, are you out there?  It's been awhile and I figured you must have been finalizing the Iran hiker negotiations.  Well done!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
When is an app going to be available for the smart phones?  Would make updating during games a lot smoother......  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 22, 2011, 03:28:19 PM
No matter if its a one loss Norbert's or one loss Monmouth team or an undefeated IC or Ripon its not going to matter, ranked or not.  The MWC champ will be going on the road to play a 1-4 seed at their place. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2011, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 22, 2011, 03:28:19 PM
No matter if its a one loss Norbert's or one loss Monmouth team or an undefeated IC or Ripon its not going to matter, ranked or not.  The MWC champ will be going on the road to play a 1-4 seed at their place.

Random....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 22, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
I would like to know what, exactly, this all has to do with Monmouth College Football?   ;D  Sorry couldn't resist....

Hey, The Roop, are you out there?  It's been awhile and I figured you must have been finalizing the Iran hiker negotiations.  Well done!   :D

Just awaiting the GOW (Beloit @Knox) Saturday. Fortunately I work so I won't have to see it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 22, 2011, 10:36:40 PM
IC does have a freshman starting quarterback -- Michael Bates.  He played his high school ball in Auburn, IL.  Thus far, he has thrown for 9 TDs against only 1 interception and looks incredibly confident and steady with the ball in his hands. 

Through three games, IC looks very vunerable against the pass (a scary thought with Monmouth coming to town) and special teams play remains a huge issue. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2011, 01:41:40 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
When is an app going to be available for the smart phones?  Would make updating during games a lot smoother......  8-)

For the boards? There's a mobile version of the boards already. Click the WAP link at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 23, 2011, 02:38:02 PM
Looks like the MWC is maintaining a non-conference game for next season. So any divisional play schedules that have been rumored are not so. It's still a 9 game conference schedule, teams will simply not play one member school on a rotating basis. Beloit for example does not play Lake Forest next year.

The schedule gets flipped around a bit but it did that every 5th year anyway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 23, 2011, 02:46:28 PM
Week 4 Picks

Lake Forest @ Grinnell - GC
Beloit @ Knox - BC
Monmouth @ Illinois C. - MC
St. Norbert @ Lawrence - SNC
Ripon @ Carroll - RC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on September 23, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
Week 4 Picks

Lake Forest @ Grinnell:
LF has played their opponents close so far and Grinnell has faced some tough offenses.  Grinnell's offense looks good in this one but isn't enough in the end.  Foresters squeak by the Pioneers in a close one.

Beloit @ Knox:
So far both teams have struggled offensively and defensively.  Beliot has the advantage on defense as these to bottom feeders fight each other to not be the last man on the totem pole.  The Bucaneers add one to the win column as their defense plays better than the Knox offense.

St. Norbert @ Lawrence:
St. Norbert the clear winner in this one as their defense holds tough against this Lawrence offense that hung 60+ on Knox, but St. Norbert isn't Knox. Their offense finally works the kinks out and might score 60+ on Larry as the Vikings don't show up to play.  St. Norbert wins no contest.

Monmouth @ Illinois C.:
The Scots look to keep their win streak alive against the Blue Boys (last 15 years).  And the Blue boys look good with their Freshman QB, however Monmouth puts on a seminar for IC's offense and defense.  Showing the Blue boys how far they still have before they get to the top.  Monmouth airs it out winning big.

Game of the Week:

Ripon @ Carroll:
Ripon has out scored opponents so far this season 2:1.  But Carroll always seems to play well at home.  This one will be a great game, but Ripon's option game will allow them control the clock and the game.  Ripon improves to 4-0 after a tough one in Waukesha.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on September 23, 2011, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 22, 2011, 11:28:05 AM

Defense allows no more than 50, Offense scores more than 50.


Not much margin for error  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 23, 2011, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 23, 2011, 02:38:02 PM
Looks like the MWC is maintaining a non-conference game for next season. So any divisional play schedules that have been rumored are not so. It's still a 9 game conference schedule, teams will simply not play one member school on a rotating basis. Beloit for example does not play Lake Forest next year.

The schedule gets flipped around a bit but it did that every 5th year anyway.

That can't work. One team has to have an extra conference game. Or one less. 11 teams playing 9 conference games equals 99 results. You can't have an odd number of results. The number of league wins has to equal the number of league losses. 99 results makes that impossible.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2011, 05:19:19 PM
The MAC did this and it was a pain in the rear -- I don't think Presto or Sidearm will be able to handle the standings if they go this way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 24, 2011, 07:52:35 AM
Simple solution. Knox plays Lawrence twice in the schedule. Who wouldn't want to see a repeat of that 62 to 42 classic and with  Knox on the rise who knows the score might end up 62 to 52 next time.  That way one of the programs has a chance at two wins each year. It wouldn't even matter if it's an extra conference game go ahead and count it in the standings. The only stipulation would be that Lawrence's players would have to be miked to make sure they weren't saying any bad words to the Knox kids.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotKiltman on September 24, 2011, 09:31:08 AM
Tanney passes for 1000 yards in this game.  Yocum breaks the 750 mark.  A record setting 50 bubble screens are called by Coach Bell. 
Final Score: Monmouth 385  IC 2. 
(Bell runs a rocket screen in the end zone with no offense line with :30 left in the game just to see if he can score.) 

Monmouth dismantles all aspects of IC's football team. 

Further, reading the comments of Larry's coach about Monmouth last week I have to say, if you don't want garbage spoken to your kids, don't put garbage on the field. (I by no way am talking about the players, never going to talk bad about kids.) There were some great athletes on that field but they were so poorly coached and given a game plan that was as about as innovative as that of a pickup game on a junior high playground.  Get tough, watch film, and put your kids in positions to win. 

Go Scots!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on September 24, 2011, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2011, 05:19:19 PM
The MAC did this and it was a pain in the rear -- I don't think Presto or Sidearm will be able to handle the standings if they go this way.

I think St. Norbert plays Lawrence next year in a game that will count as a MWC game for St. Norbert but a non-conference game for Lawrence.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 01:59:01 PM
Overcast day in Appleton. More SNC than LU fans as SNC goes for its 400th win.

And LU is a music school - yet they played the National Anthem off tape. No one to sing or play? C'mon!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
SNC intercepts LU's first drive. Needs two 4th down conversions but gets TD. 7-0 SNC with 3:56 left in first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 02:53:44 PM
SNC fg makes it 10-0.

LU drive stalls, punt downed at 2.

SNC gets out of the goalpost shadow, then 82 yard run by Austin Williams.

Now 17-0 Green Knights, 4:27 left first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 03:04:06 PM
SNC onside kick - poor form, IMO - which SNC recovers. Drive for td. 24-0, 2:38 left 2nd Q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 03:12:02 PM
Vikings miss a fg at end of half. 24-0 SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 24, 2011, 03:30:24 PM
Keep the updates rolling puckfan!  Hoping they can slap a beatdown on Larry in the 2nd half.

Any updates from the men who wear skirts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ScotKiltman on September 24, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
Called a kilt.  34-14 monmouth early in the 3rd, quick monmouth score.  Lots of penalties.  Mostly on Monmouth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 04:06:24 PM
At the end of 3, still 24-0 SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 04:26:24 PM
SNC playing sloppy. Too many penalties. Substitution issues. But, LU just can't sustain a drive to get into the endzone. SNC gets another TD. 30-0 with 3:55 left.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
FINAL
St. Norbert 30
Lawrence 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2011, 05:33:50 PM
Final
Monmouth 55
Illinois 14

Final
Beloit 34
Knox 20

Final
Lake Forest 34
Grinnell 49
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 24, 2011, 05:44:45 PM
Purtill better rally the troops to get their heads on straight for next weekends showdown vs the skirts.  Winner takes the conference without question.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 26, 2011, 12:08:05 PM
Gotta agree with sncfballfan (outside of the skirts comment), the winner of this Saturday's game should be the conference champion at the end of the season. 

Looking forward to alot of good chatter/comments/posts/etc. leading up to it!  Let's get the board going this week! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 26, 2011, 12:44:52 PM
SNC has the advantage of playing at home and a defense that's rolling right now, which will be tested again against the skirts version of their "show on turf".  I see SNC winning by two scores as long as the offense doesn't make any bonehead turnovers and the guys stop making such stupid penalties...

It's championship Saturday, time for some banter on this board!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 26, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
Well since the SNC defense is rolling I'll say MC 38 instead of 45 SNC 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 26, 2011, 02:58:30 PM
How many returning defensive starters for SNC?

Should be a good game.  I think I am headed to this one.  Interested in seeing the new field.  Would be nice to see a few early scores for the Scots to get out to a big lead and make things a little less nerve racking for me, but I am guessing this one will come down to the fourth quarter. 

Any significant injuries for either side?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 26, 2011, 04:29:00 PM
Haven't heard of any significant injuries on the MC side of things.  Looking at the box score from the MC @ IC game, there are still some penalty numbers that need to get cleaned up while going forward.  No predictions on the game coming from me just yet.

Also, congrats to Adam Hoste on being named this week's MWC Defensive Performer of the Week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 26, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
Jeez I really hate commenting on officiating and penalties when your team wins big but since you brought it up Mav, the penalties were a joke. The stripes threw the flag whenever they could at MC and ignored some pretty obvious penalties and dirty play from IC.  When the game was decided they threw a few at IC to give an impression of being impartial. Thought we were at Ripon for awhile. Man I hope Lawrence doesn't play at IC this year, will be looking forward to the coaches comments if IC plays the way they did against MC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 27, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
I didn't see any cheap shots by IC besides just a few late hitting, but that is to be expected when a team is playing hard.  What I did see what officials pretty much making up whatever they wanted.  The umpire called like three penalties in a row on a d-lineman for MC.  After the first one, he complained and I thought to my self, he is probably going to get another one.  Sure enough, the next play was a defensive holding on that lineman called by the Umpire.  I watched the whole play, there was nothing even close to a hold.  It was a roll out pass play and he was just trying to fight to get around the lineman.  Clean on both parties.  I think that the real issue is that possibly there was a reputation that Monmouth brought with them from last week.

What I didn't know was that slashing your throat is an automatic penalty.  That one caught me off guard.

Still wondering how many returning starters that St. Norbert is returning?  With a 46-2 ballgame last year, the Scots are going to have to play much better on both sides of the ball.  I know they are improved with Tanney back and many starters back, but does that make up 44 points?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 27, 2011, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 27, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
Still wondering how many returning starters that St. Norbert is returning?  With a 46-2 ballgame last year, the Scots are going to have to play much better on both sides of the ball.  I know they are improved with Tanney back and many starters back, but does that make up 44 points?

Man, the education at MC must be one-of-a-kind.  Let me introduce you all to a website called Google to figure things out (you can even search for other men around the world that wear skirts).  SNC returned 14 of 22 starters from last years 7-4 squad.  Those 14 returners need to make sure the rest of the gang shows up Saturday minus the stupid penalties. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 26, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
Jeez I really hate commenting on officiating and penalties when your team wins big but since you brought it up Mav, the penalties were a joke. The stripes threw the flag whenever they could at MC and ignored some pretty obvious penalties and dirty play from IC.  When the game was decided they threw a few at IC to give an impression of being impartial. Thought we were at Ripon for awhile. Man I hope Lawrence doesn't play at IC this year, will be looking forward to the coaches comments if IC plays the way they did against MC.

Sorry to bring it up, just something I noticed while looking at the box score.  I wasn't at the game and wasn't able to watch the webcast either, so I had no idea as to what exactly was going on...thanks for the info.

Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 27, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
Still wondering how many returning starters that St. Norbert is returning?  With a 46-2 ballgame last year, the Scots are going to have to play much better on both sides of the ball.  I know they are improved with Tanney back and many starters back, but does that make up 44 points?

It was enough to make up a lot of points in comparison to the first 3 MWC games from last season. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on September 27, 2011, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 27, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
Still wondering how many returning starters that St. Norbert is returning?  With a 46-2 ballgame last year, the Scots are going to have to play much better on both sides of the ball.  I know they are improved with Tanney back and many starters back, but does that make up 44 points?

It was enough to make up a lot of points in comparison to the first 3 MWC games from last season. ;)
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The score frome the Monmouth/Norbert match up last year was 48-2.  But in terms of making up the difference.  Norbert lost majority of those points they put up on the Scots last year.  With Rob Berger (2 Pass TDs), John Weininger (2 Rushing TDs), Justin Baker (1 INT for TD) and Roger Nault (6 of 7 X-points).  So I feel comfortable that Monmouth behind Tanney can make up that difference.  What do you all think in light of these statistical facts, since we are looking at it this way?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 27, 2011, 07:27:42 PM
 MC gave them 21 on int returns and twice early in the game MC turned it over in the red zone. So I think the QB can more than make up for that not to mention the pretty good play of the O-line.  No way is this a repeat of last year.  Right now the SNC coaches are probably wishing they won something like 21-0 like the score should have been.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 27, 2011, 08:53:27 PM
I'm really sure that's the first thing on the coaches minds this week...man, I wish we didn't piss pound them so bad last year.   Congrats for the dumbest quote on the 2011 season so far!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 27, 2011, 10:25:08 PM
Ya I admit that quote was about as profound as your brilliant prediction that the winner of this game wins conference. That's real genius there since it's been that way for how many years now? let me guess you picked Whitewater and Mt. union to be in the Stagg Bowl this year. my prediction is that it will come down to you guys and IC for second. finally if that quote is currently the dumbest so be it ,but it will soon be replaced by Norberts wins by two scores if they blah blah blah, now talk about a stupid quote.   how bout this I see MC winning 73 to zip if their line protects tanney, receivers get open get the d limits SNC to  minus100 yards rushing and sacks them 17 times. c'mon man make a prediction without built in excuses.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 28, 2011, 08:47:16 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on September 27, 2011, 10:25:08 PM
Ya I admit that quote was about as profound as your brilliant prediction that the winner of this game wins conference. That's real genius there since it's been that way for how many years now? let me guess you picked Whitewater and Mt. union to be in the Stagg Bowl this year. my prediction is that it will come down to you guys and IC for second. finally if that quote is currently the dumbest so be it ,but it will soon be replaced by Norberts wins by two scores if they blah blah blah, now talk about a stupid quote.   how bout this I see MC winning 73 to zip if their line protects tanney, receivers get open get the d limits SNC to  minus100 yards rushing and sacks them 17 times. c'mon man make a prediction without built in excuses.

I predict that there will be an earth quake in GB this Saturday and we'll lose both teams and Ripon will take first place.  How about that for stupid perdictions.   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 28, 2011, 09:15:20 AM
SNC - 31
Weirdos in Skirts - 27

With that prediction, I'm also predicting the norb's coaches tell Bell after the game they're sorry for winning in fear of next years game. You're killing me MonColfan....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 28, 2011, 03:48:02 PM
How do you get two scores out of 31-27?  Guess you are counting on a few safeties. I don't know about the education at MC but where ever you got yours has a heck of a math department.  Here I figured you were a genius with they way you take everything literally. Since your obviously a lost cause in math, why not try some vocabulary- you can start with the word sarcasm.  Keep posting too while I'm killing you, you are entertaining the heck out of me. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 28, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
28+3 = 31
21 + 3 + 3 = 27

In football, a 3 stands for a field goal.

Don't be getting all personal on me here MonCol as your high priced education didn't even teach you about properly using contractions in your last post. 

Now back to the important item of the week, who else has predictions?  Can MC fans handle two weeks in a row of getting beat by a WI football team after the Bears choked yet again?  SNC's game preview: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/?i=1469
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on September 28, 2011, 10:08:47 PM
 :o  Amazing how this game, more than any other Midwest rivalry, sparks heavy handed conversation. I will be at the game. Even though my player is gone, I had to see Tanney again. Since he stuck around for an extra semester just to play, I figure I have to see this.  ???   
I don't think I did much predicting the previous 4 years on this board. A few here and there so this game will not be different in that respect. I will say this, Neither team has the same offense or defense they had last year. That game was a huge win for SNC and a crushing blow to MC. Period. But that was last year.

I do believe that MC has a better offense this year. They better with Tanney back. But let's not overlook the fact that MC does not have the receivers Tanney used to have or the O-line he once had.

This next comment I may hear from some people on but SNC does not have the same defense they had last year. This is a better all around defense. I have seen it in 2 games and I will say that it is definitely improved overall as a team defense. It has been asked many times how many returners on the defense. I do not know the number but I also do not care. What MC will find out is that the defensive coach is different than last year, or the year before, or the year before that.

Now onto the MC Defense. I don't know. Who have they played this year that they have stopped or held to a respectable score that has any sort of offense? I just don't know.

SNC offense on the other hand I have seen. Are they the offense of last year. Nope! But don't sell them too short. What I saw in the first half of the St. Thomas game was very impressive and surprised me. There are always" ifs and coulda shoulda woulda" situations in this game, but I will say this. If both teams show up with what they are capable of, I will enjoy the game and I will enjoy an SNC victory. But as is the case many times, both teams do not usually play their best on the same field.

One thing I do want, and that is for the referees to not be noticed. If you do not realize they are there, then they are doing a good job. Make the calls that are required. Keep it simple and let the boys play some good football.

God I Miss This. But mine had his run and I am happy for him and proud of his accomplishments both on and off the field.
scottie, hope you are well. Roop, greetings, Pat, nice talking with you, and all the rest, have a great weekend.

Good Luck and for old time sake:

GO GREEN KNIGHTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2011, 10:40:14 PM
Well it may be alot of smack talk concerning who is superior at math or who uses contractions better than others or even the annual calling Monmouth the skirts--very original, never heard that one before (that's sarcasm for you SNC fellas out there) ;) ...but at least the board is going to turn over a couple pages between weekends! 8-)  Still saving my predictions for now.

Redhawk - Shouldn't Ripon have beat Carroll if they wanted to be assured of first place following the earthquake in Green Bay this Saturday? :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on September 29, 2011, 12:09:39 AM
The only crushing blow MC had last year was losing Tanney.  MC was not a playoff caliber team last year and neither was SNC as evidenced by their performance in the playoffs. last year a freshmen QB was yanked for a kid who saw his first college action which resulted in the outcome. The line of scrimmage play was not nearly as lopsided but SNC did have the advantage.MC's oline basically has everyone back and are playing great, the D line lost one all con player but has much more depth this year.  looking back at this series over the past few years the real only crushing blow was delivered by MC two years ago. That blowout probably cost SNC an at large bid. if they don't get beaten so soundly they just might have gotten in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: Maverick on September 28, 2011, 10:40:14 PM
Well it may be alot of smack talk concerning who is superior at math or who uses contractions better than others or even the annual calling Monmouth the skirts--very original, never heard that one before (that's sarcasm for you SNC fellas out there) ;) ...but at least the board is going to turn over a couple pages between weekends! 8-)  Still saving my predictions for now.

Redhawk - Shouldn't Ripon have beat Carroll if they wanted to be assured of first place following the earthquake in Green Bay this Saturday? :o

Yes.  That is correct.  Missed opportunities was what kept Ripon from coming out with a W..  But that is why you play the game.  Ripon wins out and wins conference even with this lost to Carroll. ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 10:20:03 AM
Yes!!!! SNCOLDAD is back!!!

You hit it dead on that SNC is a completely different team this year on both sides of the ball. Their d coordinator has the boys flying around which is great to see. The offense concerns me a bit as they haven't put up big numbers yet this year.

One thing I'm looking forward to is actually 2012 when both MC and SNC have a lot of fresh faces, especially at QB.   Will be one of the best opportunities for the rest of the league to not suck and make a run for a championship. Yes, Ripon, that means you have your first realistic chance in nearly 10 years....next year....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2011, 10:59:22 AM
Greetings, DAD. I hope the board recovers quickly from the recent lowest common denominator of whose edumucation is better or worse.   ;)  I haven't checked the composite schedule, but guess that we're talking about the GOW - correct?  (Who is Beloit playing, just in case??)   ;D  May this game be a LOT closer than last year's contest and may the better team win. I'm sure the SNC folks will understand everyone outside of Green Bay is cheering for the Good Guys.    :)

p.s.  For those who didn't see the highlight:

HOSTE   8-)                                              :-[  blueboy 1       :-[  blueboy 2        :-[ blueboy 3    
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 10:20:03 AM
Yes!!!! SNCOLDAD is back!!!

You hit it dead on that SNC is a completely different team this year on both sides of the ball. Their d coordinator has the boys flying around which is great to see. The offense concerns me a bit as they haven't put up big numbers yet this year.

One thing I'm looking forward to is actually 2012 when both MC and SNC have a lot of fresh faces, especially at QB.   Will be one of the best opportunities for the rest of the league to not suck and make a run for a championship. Yes, Ripon, that means you have your first realistic chance in nearly 10 years....next year....

10 years?  I'm pretty sure that Ripon has always had a Realistic chance to win every year, more so then the rest of the league, so that is an interesting comment.  But I understand how you can get confused, only being a fan and not on the field can sometimes make it hard for someone to really understand.  I forgive you for a bad comment, we all make them 8-) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 

Monmouth's preview of the clash: http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=fdc70ed8-9899-4d54-9dfd-5084c388fcf4
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 

Monmouth's preview of the clash: http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=fdc70ed8-9899-4d54-9dfd-5084c388fcf4

It's only been the MC show for the last 4 maybe 5 years and I do have a conference championship ring, which was won in the last 12 years, so again there you go spouting off information that you don't have a clue about.  Again, I don't expect much from a SNC grad, it doesn't take much to get into that school.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 01:36:49 PM
It was an indirect rip at MC's sports writer buddy (read the link) as they stated nobody has shared since 2002 other than LF. I knew you got your share in 2001 as I split it with you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on September 29, 2011, 04:29:14 PM
In 2008 Ripon was 4 points from going 9-0 in MWC play, so I am going to note that as a realistic shot at winning conference. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 01:36:49 PM
It was an indirect rip at MC's sports writer buddy (read the link) as they stated nobody has shared since 2002 other than LF. I knew you got your share in 2001 as I split it with you.

I didn't read the link, I usually don't. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 


Just to prove a point, the below years and records are years that we beat MC, however as you will see SNC has always been an issue.  each year listed we were in a realistic shot at winning conference:

2000 - 8-1 Lost to SNC
2001 - 8-2 (7-1 Conf) Lost to SNC
2002 - 7-3 (7-2 Conf) Lost to SNC and LF
2007 - 7-3 (7-2 Conf) Lost to SNC and Carroll
2008 - 8-2 (8-1 Conf) Lost to MC by 4

Just saying.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on September 30, 2011, 12:40:52 AM
Outside of the "big game" I would venture to say that Grinnell v. Beloit is another important game to see who can be above 500.. Grinnell with their non conference win, likely can get there with a loss, but Beloit needs this game, and another non predicted win to reach .500. Any other competitive games? Lf and Cu have been low scoring 1score games the last two years..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2011, 09:36:51 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 


Just to prove a point, the below years and records are years that we beat MC, however as you will see SNC has always been an issue.  each year listed we were in a realistic shot at winning conference:

2000 - 8-1 Lost to SNC
2001 - 8-2 (7-1 Conf) Lost to SNC
2002 - 7-3 (7-2 Conf) Lost to SNC and LF
2007 - 7-3 (7-2 Conf) Lost to SNC and Carroll
2008 - 8-2 (8-1 Conf) Lost to MC by 4

Just saying.....

Shouldn't the new Ripon mascot, therefore, be a bridesmaid?   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2011, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: Yupstate on September 30, 2011, 12:40:52 AM
Outside of the "big game" I would venture to say that Grinnell v. Beloit is another important game to see who can be above 500.. Grinnell with their non conference win, likely can get there with a loss, but Beloit needs this game, and another non predicted win to reach .500. Any other competitive games? Lf and Cu have been low scoring 1score games the last two years..

Y-state, listen to Scottie for a moment:  If Beloit NEEDS this game, Beloit will WIN this game!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 30, 2011, 10:24:17 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 30, 2011, 09:36:51 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 


Just to prove a point, the below years and records are years that we beat MC, however as you will see SNC has always been an issue.  each year listed we were in a realistic shot at winning conference:

2000 - 8-1 Lost to SNC
2001 - 8-2 (7-1 Conf) Lost to SNC
2002 - 7-3 (7-2 Conf) Lost to SNC and LF
2007 - 7-3 (7-2 Conf) Lost to SNC and Carroll
2008 - 8-2 (8-1 Conf) Lost to MC by 4

Just saying.....

Shouldn't the new Ripon mascot, therefore, be a bridesmaid?   ;D

HAHA.  That's a good one Scottie....  I almost spit out my coffee with that last comment.  What would they name her, RIP still? lol...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 30, 2011, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 

Monmouth's preview of the clash: http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=fdc70ed8-9899-4d54-9dfd-5084c388fcf4

SNCfbalfan, you think about it.  Your comment about another team not having as many conference championships as you have conference losses is ridiculous and doesn't even make sense.  Because that is true about Knox as well, St. Norbert won less conference championships as Knox has conference losses in that 12 year span.    What you were probably trying to get at, and is pretty impressive is that St. Norbert is the only one that doesn't have more losses then conference championships and that's at 9 conference championships with 8 conference losses in that span, but go back a few years more and that doesn't hold true either.  It does show you how impressive of a run St. Norbert has had though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 30, 2011, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe this is a question for Pat Coleman but wouldn't it be a nice addition to the D3 website if all they guys made predictions on the games.  You could get quite a tally going for the writers on their record of picking the right games.  I guess that is a lot of games to go through and a lot of work.  Or at least pick your regions games.  Would be nice to get the opinion of who they think will win each week.  Maybe its already out there and I just don't know where to find it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 30, 2011, 12:02:53 PM
Games for the Week

Beloit  24          Grinnell 14   
St. Norbert 14  Monmouth  35
Lawrence  7     Illinois College  42
Ripon  24         Knox 7       
Lake Forest    27  Carroll  30       
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 30, 2011, 01:45:08 PM
A 24-14 Beloit-Grinnell game would be pretty boring. I'm thinking along the lines of the first one to 40 wins. If Beloit can keep from making the opposing offense famous I like them by 7; if not their chances fade like the homecoming attendance after halftime.

SNC-Monmouth figures to have more penalties than points. 4 field goals and a safety lead to a 8-6 Monmouth win as SNC fumbles the snap on a game winning FG attempt.

Lawrence loses but scores more than 14 if they hold on to the gift intercetions they will have. Odds are there will be a couple picks 6's in there. IC26 LU17

I'll go with K&Bs Ripon-Knox score

Throw the misleading stats out the window as Carrolls real defense shows up. LFC48 CU16
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 30, 2011, 02:17:54 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Games for the Week

Beloit  24          Grinnell 14   ---------  I'll go with
St. Norbert 14  Monmouth  35 -------- I think this will be within 7 at the final
Lawrence  7     Illinois College  42 ----- LU get's 10, but only gets the 7 in the 4th after IC puts in it's 2nd and 3rd team
Ripon  24         Knox 7       --------- I think Ripon will put up at least 35, after being held to 14 last week.  35-3 Ripon
Lake Forest    27  Carroll  30 -------- LF by 14, if it doesn't rain 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 30, 2011, 02:30:18 PM
Regarding DIII Football Week 5 Predictions and a lack of a prediction on the St Norberts vs Monmouth
match -up ............... In the words of Bull Murray in THE movie MEATBALLS

"It Really Doesn't Matter"   No matter what's happening .............  "IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 30, 2011, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 

Monmouth's preview of the clash: http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=fdc70ed8-9899-4d54-9dfd-5084c388fcf4

It's only been the MC show for the last 4 maybe 5 years and I do have a conference championship ring, which was won in the last 12 years, so again there you go spouting off information that you don't have a clue about.  Again, I don't expect much from a SNC grad, it doesn't take much to get into that school.......


I always do enjoy a good laugh, and a Ripon fan ripping on another school's academics always does it for me!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2011, 03:20:45 PM
Week 5 Picks

Grinnell @ Beloit - GC
Monmouth @ St. Norbert - MC, 38-20
Illinois C. @ Lawrence - IC
Knox @ Ripon - RC
Carroll @ Lake Forest - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 30, 2011, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: larry_u on September 30, 2011, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 29, 2011, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on September 29, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Red duck, I love the optimism that you present and glad that you're not too down after coming up short year after year.  I love your assumption about never seeing the field as well considering my graduating class lost 1 conference game in 4 years at SNC.  Just stop and think about that for a minute red duck, you won less conference championships in the past 12 years than we had conference losses.  Like I stated earlier, it's been the SNC/MC show (will give Lake Forest their props as well) for the past 12 years so 2012 will be interesting.... 

Monmouth's preview of the clash: http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=fdc70ed8-9899-4d54-9dfd-5084c388fcf4

It's only been the MC show for the last 4 maybe 5 years and I do have a conference championship ring, which was won in the last 12 years, so again there you go spouting off information that you don't have a clue about.  Again, I don't expect much from a SNC grad, it doesn't take much to get into that school.......


I always do enjoy a good laugh, and a Ripon fan ripping on another school's academics always does it for me!  ;D

We know, We know, We know....  LU has great academics!!  WOW.. Weird that an LU person is still talking about academics on this board..  But hey, I am Ripon grad and I am looking for someone to work for me, you looking for a job or you getting pretty good tips with Pizza Hut Delivery?  Let me know...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 01, 2011, 07:40:30 AM
Lake Forest really needs a win today.  Homecoming, big crowd......Let's get it done boys!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on September 30, 2011, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe this is a question for Pat Coleman but wouldn't it be a nice addition to the D3 website if all they guys made predictions on the games.  You could get quite a tally going for the writers on their record of picking the right games.  I guess that is a lot of games to go through and a lot of work.  Or at least pick your regions games.  Would be nice to get the opinion of who they think will win each week.  Maybe its already out there and I just don't know where to find it.

Yeah -- every game would be a lot of games to pick! There are fan pick em contests run here on the boards. Have you seen those? And we do make predictions on a slate of games on Friday morning, in a feature we call Triple Take.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/09/28/triple-take-week-of-big-clashes/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
Monmouth gets the first score of the game with a 33-yard FG

MC 3, SNC 0
6:41 left in the 1st quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
A clean game for both sides so far...no turnovers, no penalties.

MC 3, SNC 0
End of 1st quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 02:51:43 PM
This game started at 1 but the offense still hasn't shown up. #1 and #2 running backs are out today for nubbies and its showing early.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 02:56:46 PM
3-3...almost to half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 02:58:43 PM
St. Norbert gets on the board with a 35-yard FG

MC 3, SNC 3
Didn't catch how much time is left in the 2nd quarter

sncfballfan - We've got 2 very good defenses going at it this afternoon!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 03:11:18 PM
3-3 headed into half.  Inexperienced qb and no rb's are killing snc today. Poorly played first half by the offense as the D is doing their part.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 03:12:07 PM
On a drive aided by 2 15-yard penalties on Monmouth, St. Norbert botches the snap on a 31-yard FG attempt.

MC 3, SNC 3
Halftime
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 01, 2011, 03:31:18 PM
8-6, I'm telling ya..........................

At the half LU26 IC18. Per the LU broadcast team "It doesn't appear that IC stayed at a Holiday Inn Express"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 03:49:21 PM
St. Norbert caps off a loooooong drive...with a missed 22-yard FG attempt.

MC 3, SNC 3
3:36 left in the 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 03:57:08 PM
Following an interception, St. Norbert is driving into Monmouth territory again.

MC 3, SNC 3
End of 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
The Tanney air show has been unimpressive to say the least. 5 yd cross patterns all day long so far. SNC needs to push it in the end zone but props to the MC d so far for a ton of goal line stands so far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
The Tanney air show has been unimpressive to say the least. 5 yd cross patterns all day long so far. SNC needs to push it in the end zone but props to the MC d so far for a ton of goal line stands so far.

Give some credit to your SNC defense...all of the short passes have been a direct result of the Knights keeping everything in front of them and then rallying to the ball.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 04:04:55 PM
Monmouth breaks up a pass on 4th and goal from the 2-yard line.

MC 3, SNC 3
Still plenty of time left in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2011, 04:05:06 PM
SNC goes for it on 4th and goal and does not make it. 3-3 with 1100 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 04:17:05 PM
Norbs botched a punt return, scots recover. Nubbies d has been playing well but nobody else has the same killer punch today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 04:18:00 PM
Monmouth forced to punt, St.Norbert return man tries to run up and catch a short punt, fumbles it, Monmouth recovers.

MC 3, SNC 3
Not sure how much time is left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 04:23:36 PM
Monmouth stopped on 4th and 2 at the St. Norbert 27-yard line.

MC 3, SNC 3
3:58 left in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Monmouth forces a 3 and out, takes over possession at their own 33-yard line.

MC 3, SNC 3
About 3:00 left in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 04:31:48 PM
Yocum breaks a couple tackles, bounces off a couple defenders, and scores on a 46-yard TD run...PAT is good.

MC 10, SNC 3
1:09 left in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2011, 04:41:32 PM
Congrats to the Scots on getting it done.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2011, 04:44:34 PM
St. Norbert deep shots into the end zone come up empty, Monmouth wins 10-3! 

Congrats to both teams on a well-played game...Monmouth just managed to make a big play late in the game when they needed it the most.  The announcers did a good job calling this one, for a pair of SNC guys anyways. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 04:50:27 PM
MC with a great run for the winning score, 3-10 scots. Props to the Scots and best of luck bringing home the hardware. Way too many opportunities missed by the offense as they were in the red zone 4 times with zero points.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2011, 04:54:04 PM
WOW!  Can't wait to see the box score for this one. WOW!!

Thanks for all the updates, guys. Much appreciated!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 04:57:47 PM
MC had negative rushing yards headed into the 4th quarter and the air attack wasn't doing much of anything. SNC kept laying eggs in the red zone and that's the story of the ball game = props to MC coming up big when they were needed. Gbpuckfan....stop being a Saturday only show...hang out on the boards during the week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2011, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 01, 2011, 04:57:47 PM
Gbpuckfan....stop being a Saturday only show...hang out on the boards during the week.

I check the boards during the week when I can, but at my job it's not always possible. Sorry.

Final
Grinnell 28
Beloit 21

Final
Knox 20
Ripon 26

Final
Illinois 54
Lawrence 44

Final
Carroll 45
Lake Forest 34
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 01, 2011, 09:26:18 PM
Lake Forest Carroll game was a show of no defenses.  Either side. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 03, 2011, 03:44:58 PM
Couple of comments on the game and the conference performers of the week. First of all it was a great game that either team COULD have won. Maybe I'm biased but in the paper SNC's coach seemed to infer they SHOULD have won. To me both teams failed to take advantage of opportunities and the stats were about as close as they can be. True SNC defense played a great game but coach if you were so confident in that "lights out" defense why not take the chip shot field goal towards the end of the game.  Also if your team controlled the line of scrimmage why couldn't you convert a third and goal from the one. I guess what I am saying is that both teams played great especially on defense. Lets give MC's D some credit here. All year MC has given up yards between the 20's and has buckled down in the red zone, where it counts! Also I wouldn't call Yocum's run lucky. That leads me to the conference performer of the week. How can the conference pick someone from a 55-44 as the defensive performer of the week. There were kids on both of these teams that deserved it based on the stats alone that the kid had that won not to mention the caliber of the game and opponent. A 10-3 game between the two top teams in conference, one which was leading the nation in offense, vs another team that certainly is no slouch when it comes to scoring points. Sorry but a player from either team deserved this honor. It was also interesting to note how clean this game was and the respect the teams showed one another - makes you wonder about some of the accusations from the other games.  Finally what a beautiful stadium/facility that is fan friendly, one that is certain to help SNC's recruiting. Now lets hear from Red Squawk Sighting on what Ripon's chances are this week against the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2011, 04:01:32 PM
Warthog: Since you are basically auditing classes in the MWC this season,  ;D, what a big game coming up this week in the IIAC.  Is this the game to see who goes up against the MWC champion? 

DAD - What were your impressions of the GOY?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 03, 2011, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 03, 2011, 03:44:58 PM
Couple of comments on the game and the conference performers of the week. First of all it was a great game that either team COULD have won. Maybe I'm biased but in the paper SNC's coach seemed to infer they SHOULD have won. To me both teams failed to take advantage of opportunities and the stats were about as close as they can be. True SNC defense played a great game but coach if you were so confident in that "lights out" defense why not take the chip shot field goal towards the end of the game.  Also if your team controlled the line of scrimmage why couldn't you convert a third and goal from the one. I guess what I am saying is that both teams played great especially on defense. Lets give MC's D some credit here. All year MC has given up yards between the 20's and has buckled down in the red zone, where it counts! Also I wouldn't call Yocum's run lucky. That leads me to the conference performer of the week. How can the conference pick someone from a 55-44 as the defensive performer of the week. There were kids on both of these teams that deserved it based on the stats alone that the kid had that won not to mention the caliber of the game and opponent. A 10-3 game between the two top teams in conference, one which was leading the nation in offense, vs another team that certainly is no slouch when it comes to scoring points. Sorry but a player from either team deserved this honor. It was also interesting to note how clean this game was and the respect the teams showed one another - makes you wonder about some of the accusations from the other games.  Finally what a beautiful stadium/facility that is fan friendly, one that is certain to help SNC's recruiting. Now lets hear from Red Squawk Sighting on what Ripon's chances are this week against the Scots.

Mercy Rule at 100pts.  :-\ I don't know what to say.  RC has had some pretty questionable games this year that has made people question how good are they really?  I understand that.  1 week the D is playing well and the next week it's the O that is playing well.  There needs to be a complete game out of RC.  The O only had the ball 7 times and scored 5 of those times against Knox.  My concern isn't the coaching staff having a good game plan together, it's the players feeling defeated that they only beat knox by 6 points and now they are playing the Top team in the conference.  I hope that this lights a fire under them and they come out swinging on Saturday and give the Scotts a challenge.  That's all I have for now.  I apologize if it's scattered, I am trying to write this, do a conference call, and send out an email.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2011, 05:59:05 AM
Scotty,

What do you mean by GOY?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on October 04, 2011, 08:08:08 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 04, 2011, 05:59:05 AM
Scotty,

What do you mean by GOY?

Maybe. . . "Game of the Year?"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 04, 2011, 09:33:27 AM
Moncolfan,

Well put about the game and both defenses.  I will say that I listened to Purtill's post game interview with the TV crew and he was a class act.  He congratulated both teams on a hard fought game.  Congratulated Monmouth numerous times on the win and had nothing but good things to say.

That game could have been 28-3 win for either team.  Monmouth stalled out their offense numerous times and I really think they should have pushed the ball downfield more.  When they went one back or trips on one side, they had one on one on the backside plenty of times.  I think that SNC played a lot more zone than Monmouth expected.

On the other side.  I was very impressed with SNC offense and their quarterback.  Made some smart plays and ran the offense well.  I think they should have ran the ball more because Monmouth had a lot of linebackers out and I think they could have really just run the ball for three or four yards every time.

I would say that whoever was going to come out of that game with a win was going to feel pretty lucky.  I am glad it was the Scots.  Good luck to SNC the rest of the year.  Its really too bad that Monmouth couldn't get a win in the first game of the year.  This game made have given the MWC an argument for two teams in the tourney.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 04, 2011, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 03, 2011, 04:01:32 PM
Warthog: Since you are basically auditing classes in the MWC this season,  ;D, what a big game coming up this week in the IIAC.  Is this the game to see who goes up against the MWC champion? 

The Wartburg/UD game will be big this weekend.  It isn't quite yet the game to see who gets to play Monmouth in the playoffs.  It is an elimination game for the Knights if Wartburg loses.  If Wartburg wins it potentially throws the league into a four way time for the lead.  Then it really becomes a confusing mess and the eventual automatic playoff bid will probably be unknown until the last game of the regular season is completed.  This traffic jam at the top also could translate to multiple losses for the conference's second playoff candidate which would likely give the IIAC only one participant in the big dance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 04, 2011, 01:12:28 PM
Question?  The new SNC is definitely beautiful.

I can't be sure, from the streaming video, but does the new staduim have a visitors seating area behind the opponents bench  -or not?

I remember several years ago ,at the old SNC stadium, Monmouth fans were moved by secrity officers , to the main grandstand.  I felt disrespected.

Hope that visitors parents and supportors have seating behind the opponent's bench in a new multimillion dollar facility.

Yes or no? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 04, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
In the 2010 playoffs the MWC champions, SNC  played North Central Collge (Ill) at Napierville  ---not the Iowa Conference champions (Wartberg).. Also Coe played Wheaton.

SNC, Coe and Wartberg lost in the 1st round, if you recall.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 04, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
Is Monmouth gonna pop the cork on the Pool A bid this week or will Ripon open up a 3-4 team tie breaker scenario ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 04, 2011, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: grboob on October 04, 2011, 01:12:28 PM
Question?  The new SNC is definitely beautiful.

I can't be sure, from the streaming video, but does the new staduim have a visitors seating area behind the opponents bench  -or not?

I remember several years ago ,at the old SNC stadium, Monmouth fans were moved by secrity officers , to the main grandstand.  I felt disrespected.

Hope that visitors parents and supportors have seating behind the opponent's bench in a new multimillion dollar facility.

Yes or no? 

Looking at the pictures on the university's website it appears that there is only seating in the stadium structure itself on one side of the field.  However I haven't been there personally.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 04, 2011, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 04, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
Is Monmouth gonna pop the cork on the Pool A bid this week or will Ripon open up a 3-4 team tie breaker scenario ??

I doubt there will be any cork-popping in the Maple City this weekend.  As you know, the general rule of thumb in the MWC is that, until Beloit is mathematically eliminated, no team is safe.   :D
 
grboob: For which team do you cheer?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 04, 2011, 03:27:29 PM
Kilts- wasn't knocking coach just repeated what he said in the Green Bay paper- sounded like he thought they were the better team.  Agree with what you said except for the running game stats said 43 rushes 105 yards, not much of an average there-I realize sack yardage counts but even taking that in consideration their average was around 3 yards per carry.  The scots seem pretty intent on allowing the short pass, and buckling down in the red zone.  They haven't been burned by the long pass (except of course gm 1) and really no one has run with any consistency except Wartburg and that was only late in the game. All pretty good stats especially when you look at the difference in TOP.  Even when the Scots are scoring big their D seems to be on the field a lot longer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 04, 2011, 03:49:37 PM
Michigan State --Spartans   --- thru and thru -alumni

Scottie, by the way ---St Thomas beat SNC by only 13 pts.  That is the closest margin of victory for the Tommies.  Maybe the MWC's 2 top teams should get more respect!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 04, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
Thanks, boob.  Based on your 1:12 and 1:20 posts, I was curious who to give credit for your spelling acumen.  Go Sparty!

What's the GOW?  The blue at the green, or the "fighting bridesmaids" at the fighting scots?   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 04, 2011, 05:00:56 PM
There is not seating behind the visitor's bench but it is possible to watch the game standing behind there. There's plenty of seating on the main side that having additional seating behind the visitors would be overkill.

SNC being out of the lead, major disappointment last week, 8 hr trip to Jacksonville...I'm not liking the matchup. Hopefully the D show up again, like last week, and takes care of the freshman QB.

Quote from: grboob on October 04, 2011, 01:12:28 PM
Question?  The new SNC is definitely beautiful.

I can't be sure, from the streaming video, but does the new staduim have a visitors seating area behind the opponents bench  -or not?

I remember several years ago ,at the old SNC stadium, Monmouth fans were moved by secrity officers , to the main grandstand.  I felt disrespected.

Hope that visitors parents and supportors have seating behind the opponent's bench in a new multimillion dollar facility.

Yes or no?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 04, 2011, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 04, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
Thanks, boob.  Based on your 1:12 and 1:20 posts, I was curious who to give credit for your spelling acumen.  Go Sparty!

What's the GOW?  The blue at the green, or the "fighting bridesmaids" at the fighting scots?   :)

Wrong Scottie.  Any writing skills I might or might not have are the results of being exposed to the English language classroom techniques (drill master techniques) used by several 6th through 8th grade nuns  at a Catholic grade school in Michigan.

Also it's "grboob" not boob

Furthermore, you should know that I'm sometimes an Illinois College Blueboy fan ---True Blue thru and thru
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2011, 06:40:12 AM
Scotty,

I don't believe I was at the Game of the Year, lol.  The Lake Forest/Caroll game was entertaining, but frustrating to watch.

I wish the Forester's would start to play with more emotion.  You see too many group tackles without anyone trying to strip the ball!  On offense how about pounding the ball!  Geez, 5 or 6 plays inside the 10 and you see 3 qb sneaks (scrums behind the O line) and 2 or 3 pass plays.  3rd and one on thier 30, 3 minutes left, down by 11, and a pass play where the qb gets sacked for a 10 yard lost.  Pack the line, and run the ball behind a fullback!  That will fire them up....

They've been in every game.  It's only a matter of time before they break through.  Maybe this week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2011, 09:36:57 AM
Okay, this is awkward......   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2011, 01:20:58 PM
OK. I finally have a couple minutes to write. Someone asked what I thought of the game at SNC.

1. Great, clean game that the refs only blew one call as far as I could tell. They were not a main part of the game and that is what you want from refs.

2. I thought SNC's Defense was pretty good, but WOW!  :o  They are excellent. To hold the then #1 offense in the country 2 3 points up to the last minute of the game. What else can you say about that unit?

3. 4 times in the Red Zone and only get 3 points.  :-[  OUCH!!!

4. Monmouth won the game, but they were not the better TEAM on the field.

Now for other comments: I went to this game because I wanted to see the best player in D3. I did not see him. That was disappointing. I also went to see what I thought was a good defense and wanted to see if they could stop that offense. That I did see and was more than pleased with that performance. I wanted to see an O-Line that controlled St. Thomas for a half. I saw that everywhere except within the 5 yard line. So pretty happy for that group. I also wanted to see if the SNC quarterback had improved from the first 2 games. Again, I was pleased with what I saw.

Overall I thought it was a heck of a game that will sting SNC and the offensive coaches for a long long time. This one will not so easily be forgotten due to so many lost opportunities.

So now I can root for 2 teams. SNC...... and whoever is playing Monmouth.  ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 05, 2011, 02:07:11 PM
Ya that 2.4 yards per rush average is a real display of dominance not to mention that whopping 23 extra yards of offense SNC piled up to compared to the Scots. Looking at those stats its easy to see that SNC was the way better team. I guess MC just got lucky. I will say this SNC is a much better club than they were last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2011, 02:41:39 PM
Thanks DAD.  Sorry for the sticks in your craw, but glad you took away a few positives from the game.  Unfortunately, nobody can throw for 3-fitty every single game.  Kudos to the mean green defensive machine for making a superhuman seem human.   ;)   

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2011/monmouth-more-than-tanney
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 05, 2011, 04:01:04 PM
Thanks scottie. Good article on Monmouth and Tanney. And glad you also recognize the better team on the field moncolfan.  ::)  And I like also how you augment comments with your own adjectives and display it as someone elses quote.  :P

So for those of you that thought SNC was a "WAY" better team on the field, I disagree. I will agree that they were the better team, note TEAM on the field. I am not saying individual in any specific position or SIDELINE.

I reiterate it was a GREAY game and I was on the edge of my seat (did not sit) the whole game.

I wish all MWC games were that good.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2011, 08:25:58 PM
Scottie,

What's been funny to watch with Lake Forest is there is many good things going on there. 

#30  on defense hits like Rodney Harrison!  a real killer!

The offensive line is doing a great job of pass protection.  Unfortunately they haven't been able to run block.  Every run seems to be a draw.

The quarterback is impressive.  Calm and confident and getting the job done.

Recievers have been catching the ball.

It's other things that aren't getting the job done.

The Gunny says.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 06, 2011, 01:51:56 PM
So what you're saying is that Beloit should rush 3 and drop 8 into coverage. That's how this career LCpl sees it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: KnoxOnTheRise on October 07, 2011, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 03, 2011, 04:27:47 PM
Mercy Rule at 100pts.  :-\ I don't know what to say.  RC has had some pretty questionable games this year that has made people question how good are they really?  I understand that.  1 week the D is playing well and the next week it's the O that is playing well.  There needs to be a complete game out of RC.  The O only had the ball 7 times and scored 5 of those times against Knox.  My concern isn't the coaching staff having a good game plan together, it's the players feeling defeated that they only beat knox by 6 points and now they are playing the Top team in the conference.  I hope that this lights a fire under them and they come out swinging on Saturday and give the Scotts a challenge.  That's all I have for now.  I apologize if it's scattered, I am trying to write this, do a conference call, and send out an email.   

As I have been saying, we really are better this year. Last year our offense put up a total of 102 pts all season. Halfway through the season this year we already have 99. The problem is as our offense seems to improve each week (with the exception of vs Norby which is probably the best D in conference) our defense seems to have less and less of a clue of what exactly they are doing. I promise we will win AT LEAST two games this year (out of the 5 remaining) if our defense figures itself out this week. And I am fairly certain our next to last offensive play got sent into the head of the NCAA officials office. Apparently the officials blew a call Pass Interference call in the endzone that if it had been called would have almost guaranteed a touchdown and quite possibly the first Knox victory against Ripon in 15 years. It was hard to tell from the stands but from what I've heard, on film there was no disputing the fact that it should have been called.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 07, 2011, 05:55:09 PM
SNCOLDAD

I beg to differ.

I think it was my hero, George Gipp, from my home town in the UP of  Michigan, who  said, "the best team on the field is the team who wins"  (or was that that guy Vince ..... somebody) .

Oh wait the Gipper was a drunk!

So whatever,  that means the Scots WERE the best team on the field on Oct. 3, 2011

Also, according to the article referenced by Scotie, Taney has beat the NUBS 3 out of 4 outings in which he played.

I rest my case.

grboob
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 08, 2011, 01:09:26 AM
Week 6 Picks

Ripon @ Monmouth - MC
Knox @ Grinnell - GC
Lake Forest @ Beloit - BC
St. Norbert @ Illinois C. - SNC
Lawrence @ Carroll - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 08, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
IC 14 SNC 0. Early 2nd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 08, 2011, 03:25:11 PM
St. Norbert comes roaring back and scores 3 unanswered second quarter touchdowns.  21-21 at half.  21-21. IC ball coming out to start 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 08, 2011, 04:11:26 PM
2nd half is starting much like the game did. IC scores twice to go up 34-21. Late 3rd. We will see another run by St. Norbert, I'm sure
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 08, 2011, 04:17:57 PM
Long touchdown run for IC. 41-21 with 1:37 left in 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 08, 2011, 05:06:38 PM
Final from Jacksonville: Illinois College 48 St Norbert College 24.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 08, 2011, 09:24:06 PM
Lake Forest takes care of Beloit.  Lined up in a 2 back backfield most of the game to freeze the linebackers.  Worked!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 09, 2011, 01:08:43 AM
All finals

Lawrence 17
Carroll 67

Ripon 17
Monmouth 42

Knox 35
Grinnell 43

Lake Forest 27
Beloit 17

St. Norbert 34
Illinois College 48
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 09, 2011, 01:35:24 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 09, 2011, 01:08:43 AM
St. Norbert 34
Illinois College 48

Break up the Blue Boys!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 09, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
Well...looks like that outcome of the SNC/IC shows that the best TEAM on the field didn't win again.

Or maybe since MC beat the daylights out of IC, it really shows how poorly the offense played up in De Pere.

Carroll made a statement though this weekend.  Could be a tough game when MC goes to Carroll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2011, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 09, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
Carroll made a statement though this weekend.  Could be a tough game when MC goes to Carroll.

I agree that it will be a tough game when MC goes on the road to face Carroll, but I think the basic statement that was made is that Lawrence gives up points by the truck load regardless of who they're playing. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 09, 2011, 03:39:09 PM
Wow anyone that traveled to IC to see the best defense in the conference if not the nation had to be as disappointed as Dad was the week before in not seeing the best player. Even though they have the best team in the conference they could be looking at a 5th place finish with a loss next week. If they can somehow rally after being upset two weeks in a row they will all but seal the deal sending the Scots back to the playoffs. I'm just wondering now if the Scots don't have the best defense in the conference?   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 09, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
Well from my previous life experience Carroll was always a tough road win.  The couple times I made that trip they matched us score for score but lacked the distance in the end to pull out the victory.  Monmouth knows that they will go in their focused and ready for a fight.

Also, Maverick I agree with you comment on how Lawrence is just giving points away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 10, 2011, 09:13:32 AM

So no one is talking about the RC MC game?  I believe that the score doesn't show how good of a game it really was.  RC's offense did a great job of moving the ball on MC, but had some issues pulling through in the Red Zone.  It's also hard to win a game when it only takes MC's offense 3 minutes to score.  Ripon takes anywhere from 6-12 minutes of the clock and then gets to rest for about 3-4m and has to go back out and do it again.  The offense didn't take advantage of the 2 stops that RC's defence had, before the half.  If they could have capitalized on those it might have been 28-7 at half RC..  But it was a great game and MC is a true competitor.  Being an RC fan and always hoping they win, I will say I came into that game thinking it was going to be a thrashing, and was impressed when RC moved the ball and scored on their first two series, with one of the series taking 12 minutes off the clock. 

On a side note, I watched the game via the computer and the guy that is doing the play by play on the internet does not understand football at all.  It got to the point were I had to mute the sound because of how horrible he was.  Never had the down and distance correct, didn't know that it's called the option not a QB pitch.

Why do I have -1 in karma, is it because I made fun of LU's 1 fan?   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 10, 2011, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 09, 2011, 03:39:09 PM
I just wondering now if the Scots don't have the best defense in the conference?

If you go by yards allowed per game (which is how the NFL ranks defenses, I believe), no, the Scots don't. It's Carroll. Monmouth is 4th.

Monmouth is first by fewest points allowed...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 11, 2011, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 10, 2011, 04:59:20 PM
Monmouth is first by fewest points allowed...

The only defensive stat that means anything.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 11, 2011, 10:13:11 AM
Another thing to consider is that the Scots D is bound to give up a few yards considering time of possession. Whether its a three or out or a TD MC's offense is seldom on the field very long.  You ask a lot of your defense when you play like this.  In my opinion its not always a good strategy especially when you go up against playoff caliber teams. BTW Redhawk c'mon are you saying you guys could have been up 28-7 at half????????? Hey if your QB doesn't pull that third down scramble out of his rear end on your first possession you could have been losing by that score.   ::) Granted Ripon played a great half (that first drive was impressive) and you could make the argument for a 21 or 17- 14 lead but thats about it. This game was over after the first possession of the second half. I'm still waiting to heard from the Green Knight's fans what to expect out of their club this weekend.  They could certainly do the Scots a big favor and make the Carroll game meaningless in a couple of weeks.  Sorry to look ahead but I just can't see LFC, Beloit, or Knox on the Rise even coming close to MC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on October 11, 2011, 10:21:55 AM
Boy! What a disappointment.  :-\

It is obvious and very evident that I was totally wrong about SNC and the best team on the field.

You can call it a let down after a great game or you can call it travel issues after a long trip.

I have to call it BAD!

When you are down 21-0 and tie it up before half at 21, you cannot say it was a let down or tired from travel.

I feel bad for the seniors on the squad and all others that really put forth the effort. I hope this shows that you cannot let up against any team in the MWC.

So with that said, Monmouth, Congrats. I agree that I do not see any other defense out there that can stop you in your quest of the conference title.

To the SNC players, go out like champions that you are.

So, where is the CROW???   :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 11, 2011, 11:00:12 AM
Enjoy  ;)

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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 11, 2011, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 11, 2011, 10:13:11 AM
I'm still waiting to heard from the Green Knight's fans what to expect out of their club this weekend.  They could certainly do the Scots a big favor and make the Carroll game meaningless in a couple of weeks.  Sorry to look ahead but I just can't see LFC, Beloit, or Knox on the Rise even coming close to MC.

I'm still sick to my stomach after the letdowns the last two weeks and have seen enough of a team that has a lack of desire, confidence, discipline, and execution. This program has fallen flat on its face as they've won a total of 1 championship since 2007 when the run of looking down from the top ended. Last years conference championship was with a 4 loss team and clearly showed they weren't explosive with the first round playoff beatdown.

A multi-million dollar stadium, rich tradition, etc, etc means nothing when you can no longer produce. This program is settling for 2nd best and I feel it needs a major shakeup. Purtill can't keep a D coordinator for more than one year (nearly 10 different DC's in 10 years) let alone keep recruits connected for 4 years as the numbers don't lie....look it up.   I strongly feel its time for him to cut his ties and move on as this program has not achieved anywhere close to the goals that were set. Look at what the new head coach at St Thomas did in 4 years with a terrible program and now a legit Stagg contender. To the rest of the league, props where deserved for putting your foot down and handing it to the no-longer bully of the league.....I'm open to thoughts
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 11, 2011, 01:05:37 PM
Could it be the predictions of the prophet Blu are coming to fruition? If they finish 10-1 and alone in second do they even have a remote chance at Pool c consideration? If this doesn't bring Blu back nothing will. Who would win the tie-breaker if IC, MC, and Carroll all finish with one loss in conference?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
Such a tie would be broken by quarters led. I'm not looking that stat up as it isn't likely to happen. The WIAC figures to only get 1 in this year so that might open up a spot for a 9-1 IC but the strength of schedule probably won't impress the committee enough to get them in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on October 11, 2011, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 11, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
Such a tie would be broken by quarters led. I'm not looking that stat up as it isn't likely to happen. The WIAC figures to only get 1 in this year so that might open up a spot for a 9-1 IC but the strength of schedule probably won't impress the committee enough to get them in.

UW-Oshkosh has a decent chance if their only loses are to UWW and UMU. I personally don't see why they would take IC over UWO in that situation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2011, 01:56:41 PM
The Mt. Union game is out of region so officially UW-Oshkosh would be 8-1 and IC would be 9-1. Still probably doesn't put IC in but lets wait until the season is a little further along.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 11, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
SNCOLDAD,

I'm going on record early this week and looking for a strong showing by the SNC defense this week  I say that pride will prevail.

SNC 21 -Carroll 14

BTW Dad, has recruiting young QB's been a problem the last couple years.  Fazio is OK but generally SNC has been known for to have really excellent QB's.

I'm pulling for a strong showing Sat.  Tradition and pride shows up!

Grboob
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 11, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
You are right Roop I should have said 9-1, but I wasn't serious. I don't  care if a wiac school has three losses their second place club is going to be better than the MWC runner up if not the champ. Last  year they probably had 5 teams better than anyone in the mwc. Sorry but thats the way it is until someone wins a few playoff games from the conference.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNC BACKER on October 12, 2011, 01:53:37 AM
Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2011, 03:29:05 AM
It's the way that the teams get selected that gives IC a chance over a UW-Oshkosh with fewer in-region wins, because they would never be compared against each other on selection day being from the same region. Losing to Mt. Union never hurts you but playing out of region can. It's a flawed system but it is what we have. Once the regional rankings come out the water should clear some.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 12, 2011, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: SNC BACKER on October 12, 2011, 01:53:37 AM
Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.

SNC Backer,

Don't let them get in the way of you either.  What did he get wrong?  I am not saying he is right, you just need to provide more evidence than the empty post above.

As far as IC getting in at one loss.  Their non-con win was over Milikin.  If they were to beat a mid-range team in a competitive conference, then I could see that.  They need to schedule that first game a little tougher and then it might happen.  Those one loss St. Norbert teams weren't getting in and they have consistently been at the top.  I am sorry to say, but MWC is only getting one team in this year.  If Norbert wins this weekend, its all but over in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 12, 2011, 09:04:33 AM
Every year there is talk on this board about MWC getting an at-Large.  It will NEVER happen.  Not until someone from the MWC can do some damage in the playoffs.  Regardless of how IC does, they have not been at the top of the conference in awhile, so that would also keep them from getting an at-large.  MC needs to go into the play-offs this year and crush it and even then the MWC will not get any looks for an at-large.  Sorry to crush everyones hopes and dreams about at at-large.  Not going to happen.  FACT....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 12, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: SNC BACKER on October 12, 2011, 01:53:37 AM
Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.

2002 - 2004 - Chris Howard
2005 - Marsh & McGuire
2006 - Dewitt
2007 - Dewitt
2008 - Dewitt
2009 -Dornsbos
2010 -New guy not even worth mentioning
2011 - Forgrave

You're right, I need to get my facts straight.  SEVEN new Defensive Coordinators since 2004 (which would be 7 years).  Sorry for not looking up the facts initially as I originally stated "nearly ten DC's in ten years" which doesn't appear to be that far fetched since his average is 1 new guy every year.  Don't call out a member of one of the most successful SNC classes of all time.  I understand they don't have the funds in the program to throw $$$ around to entice coaches to stay, but look at the turnover rate of every graduating class.  Pretty difficult to build any type of dynasty when players are playing under new coaches each year with new schemes, not to mention, players knowing it's just a matter of time before that guy leaves and a new one walks in the door.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 12, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 12, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: SNC BACKER on October 12, 2011, 01:53:37 AM
Sncfballfan, you want a reaction? Get your facts straight,  especially about defensive coordinators at SNC. You have a right to your opinions, but don't let facts get in the way.

2002 - 2004 - Chris Howard
2005 - Marsh & McGuire
2006 - Dewitt
2007 - Dewitt
2008 - Dewitt
2009 -Dornsbos
2010 -New guy not even worth mentioning
2011 - Forgrave

You're right, I need to get my facts straight.  SEVEN new Defensive Coordinators since 2004 (which would be 7 years).  Sorry for not looking up the facts initially as I originally stated "nearly ten DC's in ten years" which doesn't appear to be that far fetched since his average is 1 new guy every year.  Don't call out a member of one of the most successful SNC classes of all time.  I understand they don't have the funds in the program to throw $$$ around to entice coaches to stay, but look at the turnover rate of every graduating class.  Pretty difficult to build any type of dynasty when players are playing under new coaches each year with new schemes, not to mention, players knowing it's just a matter of time before that guy leaves and a new one walks in the door.

Just getting the facts straight for a member of one of the most successful SNC classes of all time. (Obviously not a math major.)

2004  - Not New DC
2005  - New DC
2006  - New DC
2007  - Not New DC
2008  - Not New DC
2009  - New DC
2010  - New DC
2011 -  New DC
8 years - 5 New DC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 12, 2011, 11:18:23 AM
So maybe "new" should be switched to "different". 2004 had a different DC than 2005.   The different DC in 2005 from 2004, left the program without ever addressing the team not even half way through the year, and a completely new....or "different"....DC came in and put in a brand new scheme in the middle of the year.  Therefore there were 4 different DC's in a matter of 12 months and it hasn't slowed down since.

Those are the facts, which to me paints a pretty clear picture that its not a winning formula to have a revolving door of DC's. This isn't the NFL or major college where players have months of pre-season activities to prepare within the new schemes...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 12, 2011, 04:41:45 PM
Can we PLEASE start talking about Monmouth again soon???  Or, at least Beloit???   ;D

p.s.  Hey Hog, nice win over Dbq last weekend.  How are you handicapping the race at this point?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 13, 2011, 02:02:16 PM
Prior to discussing Monmouth and Beloit, I will mention St. Norbert.

Tanney wasn't injured last year. It was just a ploy to let the O-line and defense improve with time.

Beloit, well, I knew recruiting wouldn't keep pace with graduation losses but the crash was a little harder than expected. They've gone from a program on the rise to a program on hold. Still, you have to play hard now for job security next season. Last Saturdays game, these are the announcers words not mine, "Beloits body language seems to indicate that they aren't in this game"; or something to that effect.

@Ripon, @Monmouth, Lawrence (I might be there) and @Illinois College suggests a 1-3 finish to the season. Why not wreak havoc on the conference standings and regional rankings by going 3-1. I would say go 4-0 but let Lawrence have one so they feel better about themselves. And you'd maintain the 0-home record this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2011, 06:45:12 PM
Lake Forest has been in every game they've played this year and learned how to win last week.  I'm holding my breath this Saturday, but I've been impressed with thier grit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on October 14, 2011, 11:17:31 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 10, 2011, 09:13:32 AM

So no one is talking about the RC MC game?  I believe that the score doesn't show how good of a game it really was.  RC's offense did a great job of moving the ball on MC, but had some issues pulling through in the Red Zone.  It's also hard to win a game when it only takes MC's offense 3 minutes to score.  Ripon takes anywhere from 6-12 minutes of the clock and then gets to rest for about 3-4m and has to go back out and do it again.  The offense didn't take advantage of the 2 stops that RC's defence had, before the half.  If they could have capitalized on those it might have been 28-7 at half RC..  But it was a great game and MC is a true competitor.  Being an RC fan and always hoping they win, I will say I came into that game thinking it was going to be a thrashing, and was impressed when RC moved the ball and scored on their first two series, with one of the series taking 12 minutes off the clock. 

On a side note, I watched the game via the computer and the guy that is doing the play by play on the internet does not understand football at all.  It got to the point were I had to mute the sound because of how horrible he was.  Never had the down and distance correct, didn't know that it's called the option not a QB pitch.

Why do I have -1 in karma, is it because I made fun of LU's 1 fan?   8-)



I haven't been around to give it to you, so that must make me think other people on this board think you are a jackbag too......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 14, 2011, 11:26:06 AM
With Beloit no longer on the rise I guess that leaves Knox as the only team on the rise this year in the conference. I'm going with the Scots 52-13.  St. Norberts wins a defensive struggle this time by a score of 13-7 and IC wins 102 -3, in an attempt to impress the selection committee.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 14, 2011, 11:44:06 AM
Quote from: larry_u on October 14, 2011, 11:17:31 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 10, 2011, 09:13:32 AM

So no one is talking about the RC MC game?  I believe that the score doesn't show how good of a game it really was.  RC's offense did a great job of moving the ball on MC, but had some issues pulling through in the Red Zone.  It's also hard to win a game when it only takes MC's offense 3 minutes to score.  Ripon takes anywhere from 6-12 minutes of the clock and then gets to rest for about 3-4m and has to go back out and do it again.  The offense didn't take advantage of the 2 stops that RC's defence had, before the half.  If they could have capitalized on those it might have been 28-7 at half RC..  But it was a great game and MC is a true competitor.  Being an RC fan and always hoping they win, I will say I came into that game thinking it was going to be a thrashing, and was impressed when RC moved the ball and scored on their first two series, with one of the series taking 12 minutes off the clock. 

On a side note, I watched the game via the computer and the guy that is doing the play by play on the internet does not understand football at all.  It got to the point were I had to mute the sound because of how horrible he was.  Never had the down and distance correct, didn't know that it's called the option not a QB pitch.

Why do I have -1 in karma, is it because I made fun of LU's 1 fan?   8-)



I haven't been around to give it to you, so that must make me think other people on this board think you are a jackbag too......

It's tough to be one of the few on this board that actually knows what they are talking about when they post.  We can't all have come backs that talk about how great our academics are.  The fact that no one wants to debate my posts is because I win.  I don't write stupid non-sense on this board, I stick to the facts and every once in awhile take a jab at LU. 

Good Luck to everyone this week except Beloit and LU.... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 14, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
Rather than risk receiving a smackdown of a loss via debate, I simply will give you credit as a fan for squeezing the most possible out of a 42-17 defeat. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 14, 2011, 03:04:10 PM
They do have a win over NathCon power Wisconsin Lutheran. Who did Monmouth beat in their non-coference game again scottie ?? LMAO
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 14, 2011, 03:16:56 PM
It was a good game through the first half, but Monmouth was in complete control during the final 30 minutes.  Going off of the final series of the first half here--Ripon should've been up at least 17-14 at half, but that was not red zone issues...that was game mis-management at it's worst.

Who did Beloit beat in their non-conference game, The Roop? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 14, 2011, 03:18:31 PM
Week 7 Picks

Illinois C. @ Knox - IC
Beloit @ Ripon - RC
Monmouth @ Lake Forest - MC
Grinnell @ Lawrence - GC
Carroll @ St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 14, 2011, 03:21:09 PM
Hey........... Don't pick on me because I scolded scottie for picking on Ripon. He should be scolded for any number of reasons.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 14, 2011, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 14, 2011, 03:21:09 PM
Hey........... Don't pick on me because I scolded scottie for picking on Ripon. He should be scolded for any number of reasons.

To quote a wise man, White Goodman from the movie Dodgeball...touche.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 14, 2011, 04:25:01 PM
Maverick,

I agree with your assessment about Ripon's end of the 1st half mismangement, last week.

However, I attribute a lot of their problems to an offensive scheme that limits their ability to effectively pass  (nada) or score on ground when  their options are limited,  because  they have limited space available to run in.

Boring offense to witness, sorry Ripon fans.

Or could it be,  that the Scots,  really have a very good goal line defense (thanks to Defensive Coordinator, Coach Chad Braun)?

Scots win this week---taking one game at a time.

Grboob

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 14, 2011, 06:27:43 PM
Geez Red Squawk if you know that much about football you must be a coach or something, and if thats the case why are you even on this board? I'm still trying to figure out how you guys should have been up 28-7 at half last week.  Geez even if you were you still would have lost-lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 02:06:50 PM
A windy day in De Pete - blustery. Wind cutting across the field towards the stands. SNC missing top two RB could hurt cuz could be tough to pass.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 02:19:05 PM
This could be a loooong game. Less than 3:00 of clock time elapsed in 18:00 of real time: punt. Punt. Punt and no first downs....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
Fabrizio escapes pressure. Completes to Krueger for about a 50yrd TD. 7-0 SNC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 15, 2011, 02:37:39 PM
IC 14 Knox 0 after 1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 02:41:03 PM
Carroll gets 35 yrd TD run. Tied 7-7 near end of first
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 03:17:03 PM
Halftime at Lake Forest.

Lake Forest 21 Monmouth 19

Lake Forest keeping pace and leading at half.  Monmouth missing a Point after attempt and then not making a 2 point attempt.

Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 03:19:53 PM
5yrd pass Fabrizio to wide open Krueger. 14-7 SNC with :38.4 left in the half... Pios get some yards but that's the half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
Beloit is mixing up the offense a little bit and hanging with Ripon. 17-13 at the half. Missed FG and PAT being the difference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 15, 2011, 03:28:10 PM
IC 31 Knox 13 at half. All eyes on the Lake Forest/Monmouth game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 03:29:45 PM
all eyes except mine!  Looks like someone knocked over the camera in the booth at halftime and they're having trouble reseting it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 03:33:44 PM
ahhhhh, we have a camera again!  almost 2nd half kickoff in the Forest
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 03:42:49 PM
Monmouth drives down to the 2 yard line on the opening drive.  Foresters stop them in 3 downs and then the Monmouth kicker missed the field goal.  Foresters still up!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 03:47:35 PM
SNC scores on opening drive of 2nd half. 21-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
Lake Forest responds by marching down the field and scoring!  Lake Forest 28 Monmouth 19.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 03:53:44 PM
Jordan Cruz intercepts Tanney!  2nd interception against him today.  1st was in the end zone in the 1st half....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 03:54:06 PM
I don't want to say much, but Monmouth is in trouble.  I hope I end up being wrong by the end of the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2011, 04:04:32 PM
20-17 Beloit end of 3. Ripon has a 1st and goal at the 4 to start the final quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 04:05:15 PM
Monmouth comes back and scores a TD with 56 seconds left in the 3rd.  Lake Forest 28 Monmouth 26
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:07:17 PM
Lake Forest fumbles on the kickoff return, Monmouth recovers and takes over possession at the Forester 35-yard line...I hope this is where the momentum finally shifts to the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:11:25 PM
First play of the 4th quarter...Tanney to Blodgett for a 17-yard TD pass, 2-pt. attempt is no good.

Monmouth 32
Lake Forest 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 04:11:33 PM
Lake Forest fumbled on the Kickoff.  Monmouth scores but fails on the 2 point attempt again.  Monmouth 32 Lake Forest 28...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 04:13:16 PM
Krueger gets his third TD reception. 28-7 SNC with 13:30 left in the game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
A nice 3-and-out by the Scots defense...followed by a short Lake Forest punt into the wind and Monmouth takes over with good field position at their own 45-yard line.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:18:48 PM
Tanney to Law for a 59-yard TD pass, Batton's PAT kick is good.

Monmouth 39
Lake Forest 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
With 8:30 remaining in the game...Lake Forest scores on a 5-yard TD pass, 2-pt. attempt is no good.

Monmouth 39
Lake Forest 34
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:34:16 PM
With about 7:00 remaining in the game...Yocum scores on a 35-yard TD run, Batton's PAT is good.

Monmouth 46
Lake Forest 34
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
31-27 Ripon. 1:20 left, did they score too soon ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 04:39:53 PM
SNC wins 28-7. SNC snaps its two game losing streak, the Pios four game win streak and, IIRC, is the Knights 15th straight win vs Carroll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:45:15 PM
With 3:55 left in the game...Lake Forest scores on a 19-yard TD pass (halfback pass), PAT is good.

Monmouth 46
Lake Forest 41
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Monmouth recovers the onside kick.  And with just over 3:00 left...Law scores on a 3-yard TD run, Batton's PAT is good.

Monmouth 53
Lake Forest 41
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2011, 05:04:43 PM
On the last play of the game...Lake Forest scores on a 1-yard TD pass.

Monmouth 53
Lake Forest 47

FINAL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2011, 05:06:30 PM
Another game with Lake Forest on the doorstep.  Good effort by the Foresters. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 15, 2011, 05:10:40 PM
IC 46 Knox 19 Final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 05:18:03 PM
Final
Beloit 27
Ripon 31
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2011, 06:12:36 PM
Final
Grinnell 17
Lawrence 15
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 15, 2011, 06:52:06 PM
Seems as if the Scots got all they could handle today!  This hopefully will serve the Scots well as the need to finish the regular season with an unblemished conference record and get a good seat in the regional standings.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2011, 11:18:38 PM
Why do I feel like I've been punk'd??   :o

Oh well, congrats to the Scots.  Right???

One hopes that the defense is shored up next Saturday, as a scottie sighting tm is forthcoming.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 16, 2011, 12:27:43 AM
Is it true that Monmouth is having a 6:00am Sunday defensive practice?  Things will be straightened out.


Also, the Green Knights defense showed up today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 16, 2011, 07:33:35 AM
Boob- Your information is incorrect. They have film this morning. The defense had practice last night at 10 pm along with the special teams and the QB. The only ones getting a pass on this is the o line. No disrespect to the foresters but between the mistakes, penalties, and poor defense the Scots would have gotten clobbered by any decent team.  MC only won because of their talent on the offensive side of the ball. LF's QB played outstanding, and picked the Scots d apart with short passing, and their's coaches came up with a couple of nice trick plays for TDs. MC needs to figure out to put a little more pressure with the pass rush.The only good I see coming from this is it may serve as motivation for the upcoming games and a win is a win. It says something for the talent of a team when you play like that and still win. Congrats to the foresters for the game they played, with everything said they were better than expected and it is surprising the only have one win.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2011, 11:45:59 AM
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 16, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
Moncolfan


Thanks for the indeph report on what happened to the Scots at Lake Forest.  Fine analysis, makes sense to me.

Onward to taking on Beloit.
ONE GAME AT A TIME!
   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 17, 2011, 06:07:45 AM
Moncolfan
I can't believe you put in your post "no offense to the Foresters" and then went on like you did.  Wow.  That was pretty offensive.

Any "decent" team would have clobbered them?

A couple "trick plays" for td's?

Penalties?

I watched the game and thought to myself I was going to see a post like that. 

What I saw was on one side, players striving for every yard every time they got the ball.  On the other side players tip toeing out of bounds when they saw the other team close or sliding so they wouldn't get hit. 
I saw a Half Back option pass that went for a TD.  That would be a blown coverage, not a "trick" play.  That play's been on the street since I was a little kid watching OJ run at USC.  Hardly drawn up in the back room at Lake Forest.
I also saw a few mistakes the Forester's made which could have changed the outcome of the game and gave Monmouth thier first loss.  Time management and play calling in the last 5 minutes, a fumbled kick return.  But I wouldn't say that's why Monmouth won. 

Your post sounds like your closely attached to the team.  A player, a dad?  Whatever it is, I wish you luck in the remaining season.  You have a good team.  Want to be better?  Have the rest of the team play as tough as your Freshman Linebacker.  Add that to your skill, you'll be unstopable.  Keep thinking your just that good and others can't stop you?  You'll be watching the Playoffs with me.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 17, 2011, 10:32:45 AM
Fulb- Perhaps I should have stated that Monmouth would have lost to any playoff caliber team.  Lake Forest was more than decent especially on offense, and I did give them credit in my closing remarks and I was sincere. So please let me apologize for using the word decent. To me there was a difference in a talent and yes you can make the argument that a few plays here or there Lake Forest wins. You could also make the argument a few plays here and there and the score might be 77-28. As far as your comment about thinking we are that good, don't put words in my mouth  read this post and others. I think this team is more than vulnerable especially when we get outside the conference. Thats what I meant by my "decent comment"  I think that I am one of the few MC fans that have said that we don't deserved to be ranked, and am honest about our conferences standing around the country. I'm not trying to be offensive to MC either, just realistic. Finally not to be cocky or over confident but the only time defeat even crept in my mind Saturday is when you guys were up 9 and had the ball in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
"Decency" has no place on this board.    :-X

p.s.  I'm getting the GPS chip installed in the back of my neck on Wednesday and then scottiesighting.com.go.scots goes live!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2011, 12:04:16 PM
Apparently this wasn't swept under the carpet. Like the IRS, when the NCAA takes an interest it's never a good thing.

http://m.myjournalcourier.com/news/texting-35841-ncaa-earlier.html

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 17, 2011, 04:40:40 PM
Monconfan,

You should probably work on your communication skills.  For someone who tried not to sound cocky or over confident, you sure did a bad job in that attempt....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 17, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
Monconfan,

You really hurt fulbakdad's feelings.  Please say you are sorry............ ;D

TIME OUT
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 17, 2011, 06:00:01 PM
If you mean confident about beating Lake Forest I admit I was and still would be if we played again. As a matter of fact I think we'd win by 28+.  I also think we will have an easy time with Beloit and Knox and will have to play well to beat Carroll so there it is. Have I ever been wrong?? Many times! If you want an apology I already said decent was a poor choice of words- what more do you want? I and most MC fans were confident we'd come back throughout the game but there  was concern when MC didn't score from the one and you guys went up two scores. Also sorry for calling those trick plays. I should have said Timely-called, Rehearsed, Implemented, Conceived, Krafted, Precise, Longitudinal, Attempts-to, Yield, Scores. I could add using misdirection but I didn't want to mess up the acronym. As far as your comment about -keep thinking we are that good and we will be watching the playoffs with you now that's ridiculous. First of all,I think we are  good but by no means great. Second, I am a fan, do you honestly think what I say, think, or write on here, is representative of the team, or has any impact on games?  I seriously doubt that many coaches or players read these posts let alone take them seriously. I thought this site was for fan entertainment and to talk about and even brag for their favorite teams etc. So if I mistook you for a fan, and you are a player or a parent I apologize. Looking closer at your name I guess it should have been obvious to me. I think being part of a College Football team at any level is a great accomplishment for a kid, whether you start or not, or whether your team makes the playoff or not. If you are just some fan get over it- move on and worry about your own communication skills. Finally we will be watching the playoffs if just for one game, but one game is better than none or should I say never.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 18, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
So moncolfan what did you mean by never?  Lake forest made to the playoffs back in the fall of 2002 by winning head to head against Norbert.  So though they haven't graced the playoff brackets as often as Monmouth they did make the playoffs first in their programs history.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2011, 09:40:09 AM
Are you sure about that Wood-man?  Perhaps they did, but I can't remember exactly when the automatic qualifier rule went into place.  Maybe The Roop or Pat could clarify?

p.s.  Nice acronym, Moncol. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2011, 11:03:22 AM
Automatic bids started in the fall of 1999. Here's the 2002 Lake Forest season:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Lake_Forest/2002/index
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 18, 2011, 12:46:07 PM
Woodys congrats to the Foresters on that 2002 season. I overlooked that one.  Now lets give the Scots their due as college champs of Illinois in 05, and 06. They fell a little short in 08 but Illinois St. and U of I have been ducking us ever since.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 18, 2011, 10:35:05 PM
Enough about last week.

I predict that the Foresters will beat Larry by 35 + points.  Maybe more if a defense shows up.  Anyone disagree?

grboob
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 19, 2011, 11:04:44 AM
Moncolfan you are constantly hostile to anyone and everyone that doesn't share your opinion. And by the way I am a Scot.  Helped lead the way to for that '05 conference championship team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 19, 2011, 11:56:17 AM
Hostile  c'mon please- sarcastic maybe a little, but it all in fun. Sorry to all I have exchanged posts with that I have offended.  I even apologized for saying decent and I meant that one, and I've been trying real hard to work on my communication skills as well. What position did you play on that 05 team, and how old are you now? Do you have one of those computers that have the real Big letters to type with?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 19, 2011, 01:03:20 PM
The RoopVegas line
Monmouth covers the 21.5 point spread. over/under is 65. Take the over.
Take Lawrence and the 8.5 although Lawrence wins out right. over/under 49. Take the under
Illinois College @Ripon is a pickem. over/under is 61. Take the under.
St. Nortbert won't cover the 10.5 and losses anyway. over/under 57. Take the over.
Knox @Carroll. No line, win bets only. Take Knox as the 76 Tampa Bay Buccaneers and 08 Detroit Lions pop the cork.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on October 19, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Gosh darn it.  I don't look at the board all week and fulbakdad goes bonkers.  First of all, you aren't on the doorstep of anything.  If the Scots even remotely show up and act like they want to win that game, its 75-14 at best.  Your halfback pass and option/underneath reverse ARE T.R.I.C.K. P.L.A.Y.S. designed to cause blown coverages.  That's what trick plays do, they try to cause others to blow their coverage.  LF is "decent" at best, evident by your record.

You are probably that dad that was yelling from the stands on 3rd down and long when you are running out of time, "Get a first down."
Your fans were all about your team, until Monmouth took the lead, then all I heard was complaining about bad decisions of the coach.

There is so much of difference in the ability to succeed in the two programs from the coaches, to the players, to the fans, to even the guy on the PA.  How unprofessional does that guy sound?!?!  I am mad at myself for even responding to your asinine comments, but sometime you just need to be told like it is.  Wake up and enjoy doing nothing when the playoffs roll around.  Kilts and Bagpipes out...

Oh...and by the way, take the $5 dollars that you charged as a "new rule" this year for attendance and spend it on a clue.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 19, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
When some people go fishing they prefer to sit in the boat and drop bait down deep in the water.  They enjoy sitting in thier boat being surprised from time to time by finding something on the other end of the line after a tug or two.  Me?  I like using a floating bait.  Everytime the water breaks and I give the pole a quick tug, I smirk and say "gotcha dumb @##!  Cuz fish are dumb!

Kilts and mon, You guys give me a chuckle.

If my son ever tip toed off the field with the ball, in a D3 football game,  2 or 3 yards shy of a D back, I'd kick him in the rear and say "get off that field, you don't deserve to be there" and send him back to studying!  If I was just a fan of that team, I'd leave the stadium and go get a beer.

Have fun the rest of the year.  I am!

Gotcha!

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 19, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
Moncolfan...I started at offensive guard.  And our '05 team left a legacy that Monmouth teams after us have followed in and approved upon.  Just as the teams I played on left a legacy for me to follow in an improve upon.  The hope of the generation before should always be that the generations that follow will do more and be greater than they ever were.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 19, 2011, 04:30:55 PM
  Glad I can make u chuckle FULB that's what this board is all about! Plus I don't know Woodys, Kilts is the one who sounds hostile to me. As far as fishing goes, Boob is the only guy I would take with me on this board and maybe Kilts but only if he had his meds. Finally Fulb which players were tip toeing out -of-bounds, and sliding???? Maybe we can compare their career stats to those of those gritty determined starters for Lake Forest.  BTW I have LF winning 48-31 this weekend, and I leave the stadium and get a beer no matter what happens during the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 19, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
Woodys- Are we talking about two different teams here? I was speaking of the 1905, 1906, and !908 MC teams. In 05, and 06 MC were college champs of Illinois, and the 08 squad beat ISU and fought U of I down to the wire.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2011, 05:13:26 PM
S A T U R D A Y ,  G E T  H E R E  Q U I C K . . . .  " L A K E "  O R  N O  " L A K E " - I  D O N ' T  W A N T  T O  R E A D  A B O U T  F I S H I N G  O N  T H I S  B O A R D ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 19, 2011, 05:23:35 PM
Yeah we must be I was speaking of the 2005 team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 19, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
Who gives a s____ about last week.

I want to know if Beloit plans on scoring 22.6 points (their PPG in 2011) on the new and improved Monmouth defense, on Saturday, who learned their lesson well last week. 

Coach Braun probably lost his voice  at practice , this week.

grboob
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2011, 06:28:51 AM
1. It's Coach Brann 2. What they plan is irrelevant, what RoopVegas has predicted is at hand. A scottie sighting is involved, that factors in. Do the math and you will have the answer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 20, 2011, 08:28:05 AM
Roop,

In the words of President Regan, "There you Go Again" 

Can't you ever get anything straight?

It's Chad Braun, the defensive coordinator and MC's men's tennis and strength and conditioning coach. The  first assistant coach named by Monmouth's head football coach, Steve Bell, 12 years ago.

Please try to get things correct in the future.

grboob
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 20, 2011, 09:49:02 AM
A R E   Y O U   R E A D Y   F O R   S O M E   T R A D E M A R K S ? ? ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 20, 2011, 01:35:27 PM
I thinks Branns defense is going to be in for a long day and hopefully MC's D will be improved.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2011, 03:01:32 PM
grboob,

You quote the greatest President in American History and then can't spell his name right. Then you question the RoopVegas line. What is your name again ??????????

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS....................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 21, 2011, 03:28:24 PM
Week 8 Picks

Beloit @ Monmouth - MC
Lake Forest @ Lawrence - LFC
Illinois C. @ Ripon - RC
St. Norbert @ Grinnell - SNC
Knox @ Carroll - CU

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D

scottie - I plan on being in attendance for tomorrow's game also.  Is there any chance of a The Roop sighting in the Maple City as well???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 22, 2011, 03:16:53 PM
Lake Forest up 28-17 at Half against Lawrence.  Lake Forest is in control so far with 300 plus yard of offense and Lawrence around 170.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 22, 2011, 03:55:30 PM
Attn: Monmouth announcer. Turn your mic off during half time. You're broadcasting some inappropriate content.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 22, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
Monmouth takes the inaugural Trademark Bowl 63-41; covering the spread as predicted. 41 should normally be enough but you have to tackle Yocum every now and then.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 22, 2011, 05:38:45 PM
SNC beats Grinnell 30-28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 22, 2011, 05:59:03 PM
So the Scots win by 22 points (63-41) today.

Beloit averaged about 20 ppg coming in to this game.

Scots averaging 63 ppg after the Beloit win.

So we have the Scots at 7-1 and ranked about #27 in the DIII national poll for week 7 (last Sunday).


So here my  question.  I request an indepth analysis from anyone out there in cyperspace.

What has gone wrong with the Scot defense since the St Norbert (gave up 3 pts )and the Ripon game (gave up 17 pts?

Indepth analysis  appreciated.  This has made my stomach ache!





Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 22, 2011, 06:20:26 PM
I don't remember the player names but Monmouth was shorthanded on defense today. Whether it was precautionary or necessary, I don't know. I suspect once the celebrating of ending Beloits 1 year dominance in  the series that we will hear more. Your turn scottie.......................
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2011, 07:37:28 PM
A scottie-source  (trademark pending) used the terms "defense" and "seventh-string" in the same sentence.  While that may be a bit of an exaggeration, it appears the defensive unit might be a little banged up. 

With that said, I am curious how Beloit is just a one-win team thus far.  My only guess is that the teams are getting sufficiently amped up to play the Bucs....and deservedly so.

A big shout-out to the FS13 B&B for another restful and beverage-induced night's sleep.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 23, 2011, 05:49:44 AM
Lake Forest played well in thier win against Lawrence, 56-38.

My hat's off to the Lawrence announcers on the webcast.  They were VERY good!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2011, 10:29:33 AM
Looking at the MWC results from the weekend, it appears there was a general defense-optional attitude with an average of 72.2 combined points per game. Carroll was the only squad to hold their opponent below 4 touchdowns (8 pts.)....but they played Knox On The Demise, so no real surprise there. 

For those keeping track, Tanney is now within 1 touchdown of the career TD mark and still on pace for the career yardage mark. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 22, 2011, 07:37:28 PM
A big shout-out to the FS13 B&B for another restful and beverage-induced night's sleep.

A "beverage-induced night's sleep"...that FS13 sure does know how to be a hospitable guy. 8-)

And I don't know about you scottie, but I sure didn't see players from either side tip-toeing out of bounds during Saturday's game.  I just thought fulbakdad would like to know since he seemed to think there were a bunch of Fighting Scots doing that up at Lake Forest during last weekend's game. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2011, 05:04:12 PM
No tip-toeing on Saturday.  In fact, the hitting sounded pretty loud from atop the hill....but I have super-scottie hearing.   ;)

BTW:  Did you make it down, The Roop, or were you crossing off Ghadafi's name and onto the next "job"??   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2011, 05:53:36 PM
You must have super-scottie hearing to be able to hear the hitting from the inside of your luxury box suite at April Zorn Memorial Stadium. :D
Title: Sideline Tip Toes!
Post by: fulbakdad on October 24, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
Now Maverick,

This isn't Top Gun. 

When Monmouth played Lake Forest, the recievers were tip toeing out of bounds almost every catch they made.  I was awestruck.  I'm from New England.  If Wes Welker ever did that, I'd be a Jet's fan.  Disgusting in my book.  But what makes my book even better, is I might be able to prove it to you!  I can get game clips from the game.  Want me to see if I can get the sideline dancers on film for you?  I'll try!

For me, you have the ball, you try to get every yard you can get.  Unless you're a 30 million dollar QB in the NFL.  That's the only excuse.

And a D3 qb sliding?  No slack here.  I'm a Marine you know!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on October 24, 2011, 10:46:32 PM
Congrats to LFC's QB for being named MWC POTW.. Pretty impressive. It seems that every presser from their program is announcing offensive records that are being broken in only 7 games (nonconf was ppd)...

Fbkdad... Heard there were a lot of inj. On the Foresters defense..

Any scoop on the Knox (former LFC Head coach) game plan? With Monmouth on the horizon, the Prairie Fire have to be putting all their eggs in this basket to avoid the o-fur.

Since Knox can't compete in the Turkey Bowl, does this become a bigger rivalry because of the coach connection?

Title: Re: Sideline Tip Toes!
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2011, 11:19:06 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 24, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
Now Maverick,

This isn't Top Gun. 

When Monmouth played Lake Forest, the recievers were tip toeing out of bounds almost every catch they made.  I was awestruck.  I'm from New England.  If Wes Welker ever did that, I'd be a Jet's fan.  Disgusting in my book.  But what makes my book even better, is I might be able to prove it to you!  I can get game clips from the game.  Want me to see if I can get the sideline dancers on film for you?  I'll try!

For me, you have the ball, you try to get every yard you can get.  Unless you're a 30 million dollar QB in the NFL.  That's the only excuse.

And a D3 qb sliding?  No slack here.  I'm a Marine you know!

Here's a clip for ya:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kpTvm6CYA&NR=1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 25, 2011, 03:10:36 AM
No scottie, I didn't make the trip. I did however pull a fast one at work and switched days off so I could watch the game online. The Prime Citizen was unable to do the same and then she called me the managers pet. Considering the mangement team working on Friday that title isn't a bad one to have.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 25, 2011, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 24, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
Now Maverick,

This isn't Top Gun. 

When Monmouth played Lake Forest, the recievers were tip toeing out of bounds almost every catch they made.  I was awestruck.  I'm from New England.  If Wes Welker ever did that, I'd be a Jet's fan.  Disgusting in my book.  But what makes my book even better, is I might be able to prove it to you!  I can get game clips from the game.  Want me to see if I can get the sideline dancers on film for you?  I'll try!

For me, you have the ball, you try to get every yard you can get.  Unless you're a 30 million dollar QB in the NFL.  That's the only excuse.

And a D3 qb sliding?  No slack here.  I'm a Marine you know!

1. A D3 QB sliding in a game...I assume you're talking about Tanney in the Lake Forest game?  If you are, then I don't blame him one bit if he did.  When someone has a shoulder injury that kept them out of almost the entire 2010 season, it's a good idea to do what you can to protect it and keep anything similar from happening again--that's just called being smart.  Not to mention that he's a fairly important part of a possible conference championship run and national playoff berth.

2. You're from New England, a Patriots fan, and a Lake Forest fan...it all makes sense now. ;)

Quote from: Yupstate on October 24, 2011, 10:46:32 PM
Fbkdad... Heard there were a lot of inj. On the Foresters defense..

Come on now, Yupstate...according to fulbakdad, the Foresters fight, scratch, and claw for everything, and are simply too tough for any injuries.  He's a marine you know! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 25, 2011, 05:43:39 PM
Hey maybe the coaches tell him to slide who knows? Granted it doesn't say much about taking the opponent serious but who cares that game is over. Still waiting for Fulbs choice for the best QB in the conference.While the Scots D was slightly better against Beloit they still have a ways to go. Short passes continue to be a problem for the Scots. Good coverage and no pressure or good pressure no coverage seems to be the trend with nothing in between.  I am sure things will tighten up for this weekend because the Scots will not be looking past Carroll. It also says something when a team tries a fake punt in their own territory in the first half just to try to stay in the game. I'm just wondering if fake punts and field goals are considered trick plays?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2011, 12:56:53 AM
Week 9 Picks

Monmouth @ Carroll - MC
Lawrence @ Beloit - BC
Lake Forest @ Knox - LFC
Ripon @ St. Norbert - SNC
Grinnell @ Illinois C. - IC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 29, 2011, 03:17:28 PM
IC 27 GC 2 at half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 29, 2011, 03:23:31 PM
Lake Forest 21, Knox 7 at half.  Lake Forest was stopped on 4th and goal on the 1 with 20 seconds to play in the half.  I think they are over 350 yards for the first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 03:37:22 PM
SNC leads Ripon 17-6 in the third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2011, 03:39:55 PM
Anything on Monmouth/Carroll?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 29, 2011, 03:49:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2011, 03:39:55 PM
Anything on Monmouth/Carroll?

last I heard it was 48-7focused Monmouth in the 2nd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:21:56 PM
SNC leads 31-13 in the fourth
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 29, 2011, 03:49:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2011, 03:39:55 PM
Anything on Monmouth/Carroll?

last I heard it was 48-7focused Monmouth in the 2nd

Did Tanney throw two TDs?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
Kevin Hansen tosses his third TD as SNC extends lead to 37-13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:48:18 PM
Ripen gets a TD with 1:51 left to make it 37-21 SNC.

SNC has four turnovers but 445 yards of offense. Pagan has 133 rushing yards, Green has 122 receiving yards and 3 ads.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 29, 2011, 04:48:41 PM
IC 48 GC 16 final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2011, 04:49:59 PM
Beloit 20 Lawrence 14 final.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:53:04 PM
RC gets onside kick (5th SNC turnover) but turns it over on downs. SNC ball with 1:21 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
Final
Ripon 21
St. Norbert 37
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 29, 2011, 04:54:45 PM
Lake Forest 31 Knox 27.  Forest actually had to come from behind in the fourth.  Knox scored to take a 27 23 lead with about 5 left.  Scafidi drove them down the field and threw a long pass into blown coverage to take the lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on October 29, 2011, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 29, 2011, 03:49:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2011, 03:39:55 PM
Anything on Monmouth/Carroll?

last I heard it was 48-7focused Monmouth in the 2nd

Did Tanney throw two TDs?

Alex Tanney actually completed three TD's on day! The record breaking TD pass to Mike Blodgett was a 64 yarder -a highlight catch, for sure!
Great accomplishment and deserving achievement by this young man! MC rolls, 69-14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 29, 2011, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
Final
Ripon 21
St. Norbert 37

Different season, same results....Ripon still sucks....when was ghe last time you saw a successful college program running the option? Just painful to watch and it doesn't appear the top recruits are banging on the door. 

Congrats to the kilts and Mr. Tanney on claiming the 'ship and record today...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 29, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 29, 2011, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
Final
Ripon 21
St. Norbert 37

Different season, same results....Ripon still sucks....when was ghe last time you saw a successful college program running the option? Just painful to watch and it doesn't appear the top recruits are banging on the door. 

Congrats to the kilts and Mr. Tanney on claiming the 'ship and record today...

I can think of some schools in Division 1 that run the option and are doing pretty well this year...Georgia Tech and Georgia Southern. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on October 29, 2011, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: Woodsy76 on October 29, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: sncfballfan on October 29, 2011, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
Final
Ripon 21
St. Norbert 37

Different season, same results....Ripon still sucks....when was ghe last time you saw a successful college program running the option? Just painful to watch and it doesn't appear the top recruits are banging on the door. 

Congrats to the kilts and Mr. Tanney on claiming the 'ship and record today...

I can think of some schools in Division 1 that run the option and are doing pretty well this year...Georgia Tech and Georgia Southern.



Those are two powerhouses you hear about daily on sportscenter...get serious Woodsy!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 30, 2011, 12:26:19 AM
My response fits into the generality of your comment, about how you think no "successful college program" runs the option.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 30, 2011, 07:32:50 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 29, 2011, 04:54:45 PM
Lake Forest 31 Knox 27.  Forest actually had to come from behind in the fourth.  Knox scored to take a 27 23 lead with about 5 left.  Scafidi drove them down the field and threw a long pass into blown coverage to take the lead.

C'mon Fulb come clean with us. Was it a trick play or not?  plus what do you mean by Forest "actually" had to come from behind in the fourth. I knew I would read some crap like that. Keep thinking you are that good and you'll get burnt by the Fire next year when you guys duke it out for 9th place. On a less important note congrats to the Scots, seems that we won't we watching the playoffs from home. I would also like to congratulate Blu if he is out there and still reading. Looks like Ic has clinched at least second place, and who knows a tie for 1st isn't out of the question.  if Knox can play with the Foresters they are sure to give the Scots fits Saturday. Thank goodness the game is a home one for MC. Good to hear from you too woodys.  Are you coming to the Turkey Bowl?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
Now now Mon.  Why so testy?  There was no disrespect to Knox.  If you look at the prior post you,ll see that Forest Was up by 2 td,s at half and left the ball on the 1.  Knox came back and took the lead.  So Forest actually had to come from behind.  Not sure how that got,your feathers all ruffled.  Anyways have fun at your Turkey bowl.  See you next year.  When we do, introduce yourself.  I enjoy meeting all different kinds of folks.  I,m sure you,ll be one to remember....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 30, 2011, 09:53:18 AM
Well Fulb if I make it back to MC next year for the LF game I will look you up. I'm assuming Kilts was right when he said you were the Dad yelling for that first down. Better yet I'll just wait till u play Knox next year at least you'll have a chance in that one. btw what did you think of Tanney's record? I missed it because i left the game disgusted because he ran out of bounds earlier in the game to avoid a hit.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2011, 10:30:36 AM
Wasn,t at the Monmouth game. Watched it in the livingroom.
Hope you had a beer after you left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2011, 11:58:36 AM
So on to this weeks games and upcoming beat down of Illinois College by Americas Team.

I'm glad Monmouth made it *official and hope that they can win on the road in the playoffs. Sorry scottie but I don't foresee a home game unless there are a lot of upsets in the first round.

*I'll explain why this weeks game made it official after the season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2011, 12:11:01 PM
Roop,  Would that be because of the stirrings at IC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on October 30, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 30, 2011, 07:32:50 AM

Good to hear from you too woodys.  Are you coming to the Turkey Bowl?

I will be there this Saturday.  Excited about about the football alumni reunion.  So maybe I will see you around.  What about you Maverick, you going to be there?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2011, 02:28:18 PM
The Roop: I will patiently await your seeding/location predictions after next weekend.  When do the regional rankings come out, anyway?  Perhaps Pat can answer that.

By the way, Pat, since you somehow made it to Dubuque yesterday to personally cover the receiving record, you certainly must be heading to Monmouth next weekend where Mr. Tanney goes for his second NCAA record in two weeks.  Correct? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2011, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 30, 2011, 02:28:18 PM
The Roop: I will patiently await your seeding/location predictions after next weekend.  When do the regional rankings come out, anyway?  Perhaps Pat can answer that.

By the way, Pat, since you somehow made it to Dubuque yesterday to personally cover the receiving record, you certainly must be heading to Monmouth next weekend where Mr. Tanney goes for his second NCAA record in two weeks.  Correct?

Monmouth is two hours further from me than Dubuque is. I definitely considered it but can't swing it, sorry. It's too far to drive and the budget doesn't have flights in it this year -- Keith and I have each stayed within driving distance all season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2011, 04:54:30 PM
The fact that Monmouth is within 2 hours drive of anything is a surprise but I'm thinking, scottie sans Pat, that you should pack your west coast attire for the first weekend. Somebody will have to make a trip so why not the first round bye MWC Champ. And FYI they don't make seeds, they just fill out the brcket and assign numbers to names. But to keep it real, Monmouth will be a 7 or 8. Thus sayeth The Roop. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2011, 06:34:27 PM
One extra hour for each NCAA record by a pre-season All American, in addition to the opportunity to witness one of the oldest rivalries in the country, would probably be a good application of journalistic ethos....but call me old fashioned.  Would it help if I covered the per diem and two tanks of gas for you or Keith??  You could probably have access to the president's suite as well, but that's Maverick's territory - not mine.  :)

p.s.  My Roop Vegas money is on a trip to the Twin Cities.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 30, 2011, 07:18:25 PM
It's RoopVegas, tm, not Roop Vegas scottie. Keep it straight.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
The problem is my metaphorical tank of gas is empty, although I appreciate the offer. I'm feeling the effects of the trip today. Pretty burnt out. And $487 RT to fly to Bloomington, then drive.

I agree it's a place we should be, but I just can't get there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Phred on October 30, 2011, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 30, 2011, 02:28:18 PM
The Roop: I will patiently await your seeding/location predictions after next weekend.  When do the regional rankings come out, anyway?  Perhaps Pat can answer that.

By the way, Pat, since you somehow made it to Dubuque yesterday to personally cover the receiving record, you certainly must be heading to Monmouth next weekend where Mr. Tanney goes for his second NCAA record in two weeks.  Correct?

Glad you were at Dubuque to see Mike Zwiefel (sp?) break the record. He is an outstanding athlete/scholar and a humble young man.  What D3 should be all about.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2011, 09:28:08 AM
OK, Pat.  We at the MWC understand.  :)

On a "totally unrelated" note:  It must be purely coincidental that after Dubuque gets the VIP guest treatment on Saturday, they've suddenly hopped over Monmouth in the receiving-votes section of the Top 25. I guess beating a 2-5 team 45-0 makes a much bigger statement than beating a 6-2 team 69-14.   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 31, 2011, 10:43:21 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 31, 2011, 09:28:08 AM
OK, Pat.  We at the MWC understand.  :)

On a "totally unrelated" note:  It must be purely coincidental that after Dubuque gets the VIP guest treatment on Saturday, they've suddenly hopped over Monmouth in the receiving-votes section of the Top 25. I guess beating a 2-5 team 45-0 makes a much bigger statement than beating a 6-2 team 69-14.   ???

Perhaps it has more to do with IIAC vs. MWC, than  Dubuque vs. Monmouth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2011, 11:53:22 AM
Yeah, cuz the IIAC is all over the Top 25 right now.  Good point.   ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 31, 2011, 01:33:19 PM
Once again does making the top 25 really matter???  Other than picking the number one and two teams for the past couple of years it hardly seems that the posters have had a clue based on preseason, and year end polls compared to the tournament.  If MC wins their first round playoff game they will finish the season in the top 25, if not they won't its as simple as that. Regardless of what seed MC gets I can hardly see any opponent taking them for granted. This is not last years conference champ. I would say for at least this past Saturday that MC was a top 25 team.  They came ready to play on both sides of the ball. The offense was dominant as usual and the defense totally controlled the line of scrimmage.  May have been the best overall performance I've seen in the almost 4 years of watching MC play. My only prediction for the Turkey Bowl is that Tanney will have his record by half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2011, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 31, 2011, 09:28:08 AM
OK, Pat.  We at the MWC understand.  :)

On a "totally unrelated" note:  It must be purely coincidental that after Dubuque gets the VIP guest treatment on Saturday, they've suddenly hopped over Monmouth in the receiving-votes section of the Top 25. I guess beating a 2-5 team 45-0 makes a much bigger statement than beating a 6-2 team 69-14.   ???

They didn't move on my ballot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2011, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on October 31, 2011, 01:33:19 PM
Once again does making the top 25 really matter???  Other than picking the number one and two teams for the past couple of years it hardly seems that the posters have had a clue based on preseason, and year end polls compared to the tournament.

Really? Hardly a clue? Kind of harsh.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2011, 03:42:50 PM
I think the voters have a really good clue.   ;)

(Maybe my Karma will start creeping up now instead of down.)   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 31, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Pat, I didn't mean any one individual. I meant pollsters as a whole even though I said posters.  Even the most knowledgeable pollsters don't get things right, let alone individuals who just look at victory margin and comparative scores.  You just can't go by polls and it doesn't matter if its Div 1 or especially Div 3. At least D 1 schools are broadcast nationally so at least pollsters get to see the teams.  What in the heck would any coach from the MWC know or care about a team out east until the playoffs roll around let alone some writer or better yet a fan. (and I don't mean you guys here at D3 - of everybody you guys see the most teams and games etc) Pre season polls are basically a guess based on returning lettermen etc and reputation. If the pollsters really are so great and knowledgeable why wasn't or isn't at team like Dubuque ranked? I think you would agree that teams can change from week to week. At least by this time in the season you can look at teams that are leading their conferences Thats what is nice about having playoffs things are settled on the field, and most teams have to win there way in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
I knew you meant pollsters but you have a lot of generalities (assumptions) there and no facts. There are certainly instances where a preseason poll can't predict the future but I'd challenge you to take a good hard look at it before dismissing it out of hand.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2011, 05:17:13 PM
Only fulbakdad seems to be keeping up here. After further review I'm not waiting until after the season. IC is guilty of much more than texting players. So, while they may finish the year 9-1 the NCAA is likely to render them 0-10. That's why Monmouth needed to beat Carroll to make things official as a loss would have opened a 3 way tie scenario after IC forfeits this season.

The violations are University of Kentucky-like. I just hope that the NCAA finds a way to punish the school and not the players that weren't involved with the wrong doing. My biggest concern, however, is not the NCAA but the ACM. They may just use this as an excuse to tell IC to play their games elsewhere in the future. Leaving only 2 non ACM schools in the MWC.

Off season practices are not classes but credits were awarded as such. When the news publicly breaks you heard it here first. I trust my source(s) plural on this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2011, 05:32:09 PM
RoopVegas (tm) may be willing to chalk up a Blueboy victory this weekend against Beloit, but I'm not!  :D

Regarding the fate of IC football, I understand that the Big 12 may have some openings.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2011, 05:41:55 PM
Roop, you blew it open before the end of the season.  Bravo!

Guess the demographic of 17 to 23 year old boys seem to talk alot.  The only group that talks more are the same age girls.  There are 100 or so players on the IC team.  Not all are happy.  What do you think they talk about to thier friends at other schools coach?  WHAT YOU DID LAST YEAR!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 31, 2011, 05:54:02 PM
One thing I always like to do is compare preseason with post season polls and to see where teams finish. Sometimes it laughable- I just love the experts, especially D1 individuals and their ever changing Bowl projections! And these people are considered experts????? If anybody really knew what they were talking about they'd be rich because they'd be betting and winning on games. The original point that I was trying to make is that to a team like Monmouth polls don't have a lot of meaning with the season they are having.  They are NOT competing for a top seed so does it matter if they are #20, #25, or number #50? A lot of MC fans are bent out of shape over this lack of respect they aren't getting in the polls. I say win a few playoff games and you might get some.  I don't totally dismiss the polls but I just don't think they are not all that reliable.  I'd also be happy to learn the actual facts on how the D 3 poll is taken, I was just basing my opinion by what was written at the bottom. BTW Monmouth only gets one vote in the AFCA poll every week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on October 31, 2011, 05:57:22 PM
In regards to the other posts about IC sounds like a Texas=sized scandal.  Somehow Blu must of had inside knowledge and was not relying on the dorm room observations after all. I'm just wondering if he didn't have a hand in it somehow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2011, 06:28:48 PM
CCIW board seems to know all about it. Then again IC was in the CCIW at one time.

And BTW scottie I said IC "may" finish 9-1. There are no guarantees until the RoopVegas line comes out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2011, 07:45:20 PM
The Hells Angels have a saying.  "Three can keep a secret if two are dead".  I guess the IC coach was never a biker gang prospect. 

Spring practices/classes?  No test, only credits?  Manditory?  And it wasn't gonna get out?

Texting like a 12 year old girl to all the recruits?

What an amateur!  Hope he spends the next 20 years in a factory.  Not that factory work is bad, but they don't cheer for you when you show up on Saturdays for the forced overtime.

The bad thing of this, all the players there.  They will carry his cross.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2011, 07:56:38 PM
And I was told by a better source (not a player or coach from my college) that the investigating team from the NCAA left IC for California, not to build up frequent flier miles, but to put the former Offensive Coordinator under the heat lamp and broke out the rubber hoses!  Well, that's what they do in the movies.

FIRE THE LOSER NOW!  That's the only respectable thing IC can do at this point.  Anything else is plausible deniability.  And they are no better than the coach.  Then fire them all!

This is D3!!!!!!!

Not USC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 31, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
Last I checked Carthage isn't in California but when you are only posting rumors on a chat board, who really cares about details??  Gotta have something to fill the time when your son's team is 3-5.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2011, 08:57:40 PM
Hey Titan,

I was never good at geography.

Rumors?  Want to defend them?

Rather be 3-5 legit than 9-1 crooked.

But I've worked for the agencies that ride the white horses for the last 32 years.

You?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 31, 2011, 09:21:08 PM
Yes, sir, you and The Roop have thus far posted only rumors. If you are getting this from a website or newspaper, post a link. If you have a source, name him or her. Otherwise, all I see are unsubstantiated personal attacks making you come off as a bitter loser.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2011, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 31, 2011, 09:21:08 PM
Yes, sir, you and The Roop have thus far posted only rumors. If you are getting this from a website or newspaper, post a link. If you have a source, name him or her. Otherwise, all I see are unsubstantiated personal attacks making you come off as a bitter loser.

Agreed -- and actually, the Terms of Service essentially require me to warn you of that fact.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 31, 2011, 11:16:32 PM
I will only comment on the texting issue, since that's the only verified violation so far.  Not saying this makes it right, but several times during the year, you'll see high d1 schools having to report that violation and it's often treated as no big deal.  I don't know if the rule is vague--like several NCAA ones are--or if coaches are a little more cavalier with it because it's not considered a big deal.  If other stuff has been going on, I'm unaware of it and while I have no official ties to the current IC staff, I am an alum who has stayed in close contact with the team over the years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2011, 01:45:45 AM
I didn't realize I was bitter about anything but will look into the matter and self report it if it is determined that I was. That being said I'll defer to Joyce Thompson before mentioning any potential NCAA violations. Although I think it's safe to say that she doesn't visit campuses to investigate minor infractions.

Personally I think the no texting rule is silly because if a kid has a cell phone they are texting constantly. In fact I work with a few in that age range that can't answer a question without texting somebody about it first. So a few more from a potential coach is not creating a financial hardship for themselves or their family. A school can text non-athletes all they want, why discriminate against an applicant because they play a sport.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2011, 02:02:19 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 01, 2011, 01:45:45 AM
I didn't realize I was bitter about anything but will look into the matter and self report it if it is determined that I was. That being said I'll defer to Joyce Thompson before mentioning any potential NCAA violations. Although I think it's safe to say that she doesn't visit campuses to investigate minor infractions.

This is still on your say-so only.

On your second point, schools can also offer all the money they want to musicians. Why discriminate because they play a sport?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 01, 2011, 05:01:55 AM
It gets a little discriminatory when the music department can contact an applicant all they want whereas a coach can't. No athletic scholarships and you can't give things to athletes that wouldn't be given to other students is about all the rules D3 needs IMO. That pretty much covers it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 01, 2011, 08:31:25 AM
Will the D 3 schools be able to give their players $2000 in spending $ if they want, or is that proposal for D1 athletes only? I'm assuming that money would be considered part of the scholarship so the answer would be no?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
Is it Saturday yet?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2011, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 01, 2011, 08:31:25 AM
Will the D 3 schools be able to give their players $2000 in spending $ if they want, or is that proposal for D1 athletes only? I'm assuming that money would be considered part of the scholarship so the answer would be no?

Correct. That's D-I legislation only.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 01, 2011, 10:46:23 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 01, 2011, 08:31:25 AM
Will the D 3 schools be able to give their players $2000 in spending $ if they want, or is that proposal for D1 athletes only? I'm assuming that money would be considered part of the scholarship so the answer would be no?

Don't get me started on this.  My morning was going so well before I read this and then the flash backs started all over.

This whole idea of adding the salary to D1 players sickens me.  These kids already get tuition, room (better rooms), board (better food), tutors, special parking, medical care, travel, etc.  If that isn't getting paid I don't know what is.  If pro athletics (football & basketball) want minor leagues they should just pay high school grads to enter a minor league system forget this charade of the "student/athlete" for football and basketball at the D1 level. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2011, 11:11:27 AM
Warthog -If I may add to your ulcer just a smidge: They also get top priority for class registration.  (Add "top priority" and "class" joke here.....)  Have a great day!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 01, 2011, 11:54:49 AM
Agreed there Hog.  Makes you wonder what can of worms such payments would open up, not to mention why D1 kids need spending money more than kids at any other level or sport. In all honesty what do these kids need to spend money on? Ya I know what some of the answers would be- but this way the NCAA could add a few auditors and create some more jobs for themselves. I am sure each kid will have to keep receipts on what they spend this money on. Kinda going to be like food stamps for kids.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 01, 2011, 03:27:47 PM
Man, I don't check the board for a couple days and look at all the stuff I miss!  I hope Nevin Shapiro isn't attached to any of these accusations...

The Roop - I think you're right--not sure whether it will be a west coast trip or somewhere in the midwest for the first round of the playoffs, but I'm seeing a road trip in the Scots future as previous MWC champs who finished the regular season at 9-1 have never hosted a first round playoff game.

Woodsy - Yes, I will be around for the game this weekend and plan on being at the football alumni reunion also.  I hope there is a good turnout at the event.

scottie - 1) I'm glad you've finally recognized that the president's suite is my territory...much higher class than your minimal luxury box suite.  2) Will there be another "scottiesighting" for the Turkey Bowl?  3) I agree, is it Saturday yet?  I think we're all just ready for some games instead of all the talk/rumors/etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
Mav: I'd say a scottiesighting tm is a near certainty. Knock five times on the door and I'll have one of the staff let you into the suite.  haha!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 01, 2011, 04:37:39 PM
Monmouth gets mentioned (and Carroll by default for playing them this week) in Greg Easterbrook's Tuesday Morning Quarterback on espn.com.

http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7175444/tmq-says-defenses-solidified-slowed-early-season-nfl-offensive-explosion (Bonus Obscure College Score near the end of the article)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2011, 05:17:43 PM
+K Hickory for digging that one up.  (I wish I could give you another +K for the extra photos in the article....) 

Looks like Tanney will need to get busy on Saturday to put some extra space between him and the Grotberg-esque numbers of the gunslinger from Houston.  However, the article said that Houston is 8-0 so far.  Don't they play, like, 23 games a year now?  The record may be short-lived.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 02, 2011, 02:15:18 PM
Hey Woodys are any of you guys going to Petey's after the the game. I'll be sitting at the bar watching the college games- let me buy you a cold one.  You will see that I'm not that hostile!
Would like to catch some of the LSU/Bama game. If I buy some of the MC players that show up a beer thats not a violation is it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
Regional Rankings

West

1.UW-Whitewater, 5-0, .528, 1-0*.
2.St. Thomas, 8-0, .578, 1-0.
3.Linfield, 6-0, .494, 1-0.
4.Cal Lutheran, 5-1, .585, 1-1.
5.Redlands, 5-1, .572, 1-1.
6.UW-Oshkosh, 5-1, .605, 0-1*.
7.St. Olaf, 6-1, .580, 0-1.
8.Wartburg, 5-2, .537, 1-1.
9.Monmouth, 7-1, .545, 0-1.
10.Dubuque, 6-1, .476, 0-1.

Discuss among yourselves.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
scottie - Where/when did you find those?  The Division III Regional Rankings I found on ncaa.com are listed as being updated today and look like this for the West (in-region record, overall record):

1 Wisconsin-Whitewater 6-0 8-0
2 St. Thomas (Minn.) 9-0 9-0
3 Linfield 6-0 7-0
4 Cal Lutheran  6-1 6-1
5 St. Olaf 7-1 7-1
6 Dubuque 7-1 8-1
6 Monmouth (Ill.) 8-1 8-1
8 Redlands 6-1 6-1
9 St. Scholastica 8-0 8-0
10 Lewis & Clark 7-0 7-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
Hey mav , you did better than i did.. I could not find any at all  (on the ncaa )  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
Hey mav , you did better than i did.. I could not find any at all  (on the ncaa )  :'(

Sorry desert, here's the link: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:32:27 PM
thanks Mav,,  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2011, 04:36:16 PM
I got mine off the d3foozball site but didn't check the date.  I like your version better.   ;D

Pat, are these coming from the same source? 
Title: Re: Northwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
scottie - Where/when did you find those?  The Division III Regional Rankings I found on ncaa.com are listed as being updated today and look like this for the West (in-region record, overall record):

1 Wisconsin-Whitewater 6-0 8-0
2 St. Thomas (Minn.) 9-0 9-0
3 Linfield 6-0 7-0
4 Cal Lutheran  6-1 6-1
5 St. Olaf 7-1 7-1
6 Dubuque 7-1 8-1
6 Monmouth (Ill.) 8-1 8-1
8 Redlands 6-1 6-1
9 St. Scholastica 8-0 8-0
10 Lewis & Clark 7-0 7-0

Go Cats
Go Big D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2011, 04:36:16 PM
I got mine off the d3foozball site but didn't check the date.  I like your version better.   ;D

Pat, are these coming from the same source?

Ok, now I get it...that was the D3football.com staff version of the regional rankings from last week.  They came up with what the rankings probably would've looked like last week had the NCAA actually produced one last week (the NCAA cut off the first week of regional rankings this season).  I thought those looked somewhat familiar scottie. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
An interesting game in the IIAC this weekend that could affect those rankings: Dubuque (6-1, 8-1) at Coe (5-1, 5-3).  This outsider would think that a Coe win (and a win next week vs. Cornell) likely would give them the automatic qualifyer and move Dubuque down in the regional rankings - POSSIBLY moving Monmouth up (ahead of Coe?) in the rankings.   

Perhaps our friends at St. Johns could pick off a game from St. Olaf while we're hoping....   ;)

Avoiding absolutes,

Scottie

P.S.  This is all assuming that the good guys can avoid the upset from Knox on the Rise this Saturday and keep from hurting their own cause.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 02, 2011, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
An interesting game in the IIAC this weekend that could affect those rankings: Dubuque (6-1, 8-1) at Coe (5-1, 5-3).  This outsider would think that a Coe win (and a win next week vs. Cornell) likely would give them the automatic qualifyer and move Dubuque down in the regional rankings - POSSIBLY moving Monmouth up (ahead of Coe?) in the rankings.   

Perhaps our friends at St. Johns could pick off a game from St. Olaf while we're hoping....   ;)

Avoiding absolutes,

Scottie

P.S.  This is all assuming that the good guys can avoid the upset from Knox on the Rise this Saturday and keep from hurting their own cause.   ;D

As we all know, football is a game of inches ... and of "ifs."  However the next two weeks work out ... it will be interesting to see who is in and who is out ... and what the match-ups are.  On 11/19 will I be staying home in Michigan ... or will I be driving over to Dubuque ... or to Monmouth ... or trying to figure out how to get to the Twin Cities ... or watching live streaming on the Internet?  And what about the Scots ... what if they have to go to UWW in the first round?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
Hey mav , you did better than i did.. I could not find any at all  (on the ncaa )  :'(

Sorry desert, here's the link: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3

The heck with that -- try the front page of D3football.com! What more do we have to do?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
Hey mav , you did better than i did.. I could not find any at all  (on the ncaa )  :'(

Sorry desert, here's the link: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3

The heck with that -- try the front page of D3football.com! What more do we have to do?

Come on now, Pat...obviously I would've used the front page of D3football.com...if there would've been a link to the regional rankings at the time I was looking for them yesterday. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
Hey mav , you did better than i did.. I could not find any at all  (on the ncaa )  :'(

Sorry desert, here's the link: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3

The heck with that -- try the front page of D3football.com! What more do we have to do?

Come on now, Pat...obviously I would've used the front page of D3football.com...if there would've been a link to the regional rankings at the time I was looking for them yesterday. ;)

Tweeted them at 4:24 ET. On our regional rankings page moments before that. On the front page shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
Hey mav , you did better than i did.. I could not find any at all  (on the ncaa )  :'(

Sorry desert, here's the link: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3

The heck with that -- try the front page of D3football.com! What more do we have to do?

Come on now, Pat...obviously I would've used the front page of D3football.com...if there would've been a link to the regional rankings at the time I was looking for them yesterday. ;)

Tweeted them at 4:24 ET. On our regional rankings page moments before that. On the front page shortly thereafter.


Hey Mav,  Good Job buddy,  8-)

You scooped the Guru by just a few seconds.. 
that does not happen very often .. :o We all know what a great job the D 3 Staff does when it comes to D 3 Information .. Thanks again for all your hard work Mister Guru and staff.
Keep up the good work ...  :-*
Go Cats
Go Big D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 03, 2011, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
POSSIBLY moving Monmouth up (ahead of Coe?) in the rankings.   

You are tied with Dubuque, alphabetical order is the only thing putting you behind Dubuque in the regional rankings.
So you would move ahead of Coe without a doubt.

However, in the end, I figure Monmouth will move to the North with UWW to make room for Redlands and Lewis and Clark to play Linfield and Cal Lu respectively.

Leaving St Scholastica at UST and the IIAC winner at St. Olaf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 03, 2011, 01:13:15 PM
Here's my take on the tie for NCCA DIII West ranked Number 6 spot

6 Dubuque 7-1 8-1
6 Monmouth (Ill.) 8-1 8-1

Both teams lost to Wartburg

Dubugue by 3 pts and Monmouth by  7 pts

Therefore Dubugue thu tied with the Scots is mentioned above them in the rankings.

Coe will win on Saturday and The Scots will have the # 6 spot to themselves.  SWEET!

grboob
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2011, 02:13:31 PM
Whoever is not following Pat on Twitter should not be allowed on this site.  (This doesn't include Scottie, who doesn't embrace certain technologies until they are at least 5 years old.)   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 02, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 02, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
Hey mav , you did better than i did.. I could not find any at all  (on the ncaa )  :'(

Sorry desert, here's the link: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3

The heck with that -- try the front page of D3football.com! What more do we have to do?

Come on now, Pat...obviously I would've used the front page of D3football.com...if there would've been a link to the regional rankings at the time I was looking for them yesterday. ;)

Tweeted them at 4:24 ET. On our regional rankings page moments before that. On the front page shortly thereafter.


Hey Mav,  Good Job buddy,  8-)

You scooped the Guru by just a few seconds.. 
that does not happen very often .. :o We all know what a great job the D 3 Staff does when it comes to D 3 Information .. Thanks again for all your hard work Mister Guru and staff.
Keep up the good work ...  :-*
Go Cats
Go Big D

Thanks desert!  It's a special feeling to know I had the lead for once. ;)  But I knew the rankings would be showing up on the D3football.com front page at some point not long after I found them on the NCAA site since Mister Guru and the rest of the D3 Staff does such a good job of being up to the minute with all the D3 info. 8-)

Quote from: scottie on November 03, 2011, 02:13:31 PM
Whoever is not following Pat on Twitter should not be allowed on this site.  (This doesn't include Scottie, who doesn't embrace certain technologies until they are at least 5 years old.)   ;D

That would dis-allow me from the site...never been on Twitter and don't plan to be.  That would also be why I didn't know Pat had Tweeted the regional rankings at 4:24 ET yesterday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Courtesy of the Facebook....which I just found out about!   ;)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VYSp14OOy8Q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2011, 05:17:54 PM
An interesting game in the IIAC this weekend that could affect those rankings: Dubuque (6-1, 8-1) at Coe (5-1, 5-3).  This outsider would think that a Coe win (and a win next week vs. Cornell) likely would give them the automatic qualifyer and move Dubuque down in the regional rankings - POSSIBLY moving Monmouth up (ahead of Coe?) in the rankings.   

Perhaps our friends at St. Johns could pick off a game from St. Olaf while we're hoping....   ;)

Avoiding absolutes,

Scottie

P.S.  This is all assuming that the good guys can avoid the upset from Knox on the Rise this Saturday and keep from hurting their own cause.   ;D

First off, yes...the Good Guys must avoid the upset from the Prairie Fire.  That being said...

A Coe win over Dubuque this weekend followed up with a win over Cornell next weekend would give Coe the automatic qualifier spot from the IIAC since they would be the only 1-loss team remaining.  And maybe St. John's rises up to shock St. Olaf this weekend, giving them a second loss.  If ALL of these manage to happen, could we see a West Bracket looking something like this:

1) St. Thomas
2) Linfield
3) Cal Lutheran
4) Monmouth
5) Coe
6) Lewis & Clark
7) Redlands
8) St. Scholastica

Feel free to ridicule away! :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2011, 03:34:20 PM
There's also a game between Lewis & Clark and Linfield - both currently undefeated.  My hunch is that Linfield wouldn't fall too far in the rankings with a loss and both teams could wind up higher than the good guys if L & C won.  So, Go Linfield! 

The other factor, which seems to have been at play in past years, is geography (travel expense).  I recall Willamette and Linfield (??) playing each other in the first round as a 1 and 2 seed. A home game versus Coe or a road trip to Dubuque make the most sense to this fiscally-conscious fan. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 03, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 03:18:03 PM
If ALL of these manage to happen, could we see a West Bracket looking something like this:

4) Monmouth
5) Coe

Feel free to ridicule away! :P

I think Tanney would love to end the season of Boyle who got first team Preseason All-American  while Alex settled for second team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
No ridicule intended Maverick but Monmouth only gets a home game if they are moved to the North bracket and host St. Scholastica. It will depend on where the unranked Pool As wind up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 03, 2011, 03:34:20 PM
There's also a game between Lewis & Clark and Linfield - both currently undefeated.  My hunch is that Linfield wouldn't fall too far in the rankings with a loss and both teams could wind up higher than the good guys if L & C won.  So, Go Linfield! 

The other factor, which seems to have been at play in past years, is geography (travel expense).  I recall Willamette and Linfield (??) playing each other in the first round as a 1 and 2 seed. A home game versus Coe or a road trip to Dubuque make the most sense to this fiscally-conscious fan.

Geography/travel expense...exactly why I set up the bracket that way.  The seeds may not end up looking the way I had them, since the NCAA is willing to pit a 1 seed vs. a 2 seed...but I could see those match-ups potentially taking place.  And again, that is if the chips fall just right with Coe, Dubuque, St. Olaf, etc.

Quote from: The Roop on November 03, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
No ridicule intended Maverick but Monmouth only gets a home game if they are moved to the North bracket and host St. Scholastica. It will depend on where the unranked Pool As wind up.

No ridicule taken from that statement, The Roop.  Just curious why you think it could happen that way?  Do you think Monmouth could get moved to the North and be seeded high enough to get a home game?  I guess I just figured St. Scholastica would get served up to someone like UW-Whitewater or Mount Union in the first round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2011, 04:09:30 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 03, 2011, 03:34:20 PM
There's also a game between Lewis & Clark and Linfield - both currently undefeated.  My hunch is that Linfield wouldn't fall too far in the rankings with a loss and both teams could wind up higher than the good guys if L & C won.  So, Go Linfield! 

The other factor, which seems to have been at play in past years, is geography (travel expense).  I recall Willamette and Linfield (??) playing each other in the first round as a 1 and 2 seed. A home game versus Coe or a road trip to Dubuque make the most sense to this fiscally-conscious fan.

I believe it was Linfield and Occidental but yes, money money money is the primary concern for the NCAA.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2011, 04:12:02 PM
Maverick. I think the NathCon winner get shipped west to Whitewater.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 04:20:13 PM
Roop ,

So do you think UWW will stay in the West as #1 ?  MT. U in North? so who is # 1 in east ? They moved then both last year .. ? same could apply ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2011, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 04:20:13 PM
Roop ,

So do you think UWW will stay in the West as #1 ?  MT. U in North? so who is # 1 in east ? They moved then both last year .. ? same could apply ?

That was my thought process, both could get shipped to different regions again this season.  UWW moves & is North #1, Mt. Union moves & is East #1, St. Thomas is West #1, UMHB is South #1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2011, 04:29:25 PM
A loss to Knox on the Rise would probably sink the Scots' ranking and put them on an express train to Whitewater or ship them out of the region for the Giese Bowl.  Would be interested in the odds coming out of RoopVegas tm this week on the Turkey Bowl.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 04:29:53 PM
Mav,

great minds think alike.. LOL  8-)that's the way i see too.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 03, 2011, 05:32:47 PM
72-6
Title: Who do you think Monmouth will play?
Post by: gullyrio on November 03, 2011, 08:00:47 PM
In first round of playoffs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 04, 2011, 08:39:48 AM
This isn't last year's conference champ.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2011, 10:11:00 AM
Before Scottie fills up his sleigh to head over to the Maple City, here are some numbers for all of you bean counters who are curious about Tanney's chances at the yardage record tomorrow:

Passing Yds Allowed
Carroll  193 (AT - 265)
Ripon 204 (AT - 318)
America's Team 218 (AT - 305)
Good Guys 233
Lake Forest 236 (AT - 405)
SNC 246 (AT - 253)
Larry 261 (AT - 371)
Grinnell 262 (AT - 355)
Text U 264 (AT - 350)
KOTR 274 (AT - ???)

If my scottiestats are correct, Tanney is averaging 92 yards over the opponent's yards allowed.  This would put him at about 366 against KOTR.  RoopVegas tm can handle the over/under on that one.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 04, 2011, 01:32:41 PM
This was a tricky one to evaluate as you'd expect das Wunderkind to see much of the 2nd half behind center, yet Monmouth will have a week off before they know who they will play next; so RoopVegas is going with Tanney staying in the game later than expected. over/under is 83.5
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2011, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 04:29:53 PM
Mav,

great minds think alike.. LOL  8-)that's the way i see too.  ;D

Good stuff, desert...are your cats of the Linfield variety?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2011, 04:38:09 PM
Week 10 Picks

Carroll @ Grinnell - CU
St. Norbert @ Lake Forest - SNC
Lawrence @ Ripon - RC
Beloit @ Illinois C. - IC
Knox @ Monmouth - MC

Good luck Fighting Scots! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 04, 2011, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 04, 2011, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 04:29:53 PM
Mav,

great minds think alike.. LOL  8-)that's the way i see too.  ;D

Good stuff, desert...are your cats of the Linfield variety?

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   8-)
Go Cats
Go Big D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 04, 2011, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 04, 2011, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 03, 2011, 04:29:53 PM
Mav,

great minds think alike.. LOL  8-)that's the way i see too.  ;D

Good stuff, desert...are your cats of the Linfield variety?

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   8-)
Go Cats
Go Big D

I had a feeling you were one of those Linfield guys.  I've always kind of wanted to check out the stadium at Linfield...just don't want it to be in the first round of the playoffs. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 04, 2011, 10:43:32 PM
Hey Mav,

It is a great place to play and we do a super job with the tailgate stuff too. 8-)
We welcome everyone to the great pacific northwest and the  catdome..  First round or not .  8-)

If we take care of business the next two games we should host in the first round i hope. But you never know ? :o

Go Cats
Go Big D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2011, 03:28:23 PM
SNC leads Lake Forest 21-6 at the half on two Hansen to Green touchdowns
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 05, 2011, 04:05:19 PM
Tanney breaks the record on a TD pass to Spencer Brown.  Tanney, Yocum, and Blodgett all have records on the day.  Monmouth leads 42-21 late in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2011, 06:55:40 PM
Final
St. Norbert 41
Lake Forest 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2011, 09:49:47 PM
Scottie is back from an enjoyable trip to the Maple City, which included a few MinutesWithMaverick (tm pending).  Overall, an entertaining game to watch and the KOTRisers got to stay happy a little longer than planned.  Congrats to Tanney, Blodgett and Yocum on their respective honors!  (Which one of them gets Offensive POY??)

Four or five ranked teams go down today, including several in the 20s.  How will that affect top 25 rankings (sorry, Moncolfan) and regional rankings?  As per the non-conference games mentioned earlier, the Johnnies beat St. Olaf and Dubuque took care of Coe.  Would love a Monmouth v. Dubuque game, regardless of who hosts. 

Lastly, congrats to TEXT U.  You were 41 points away from an undefeated season.   ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 05, 2011, 10:22:39 PM
I'll use Scottie's snarky comment to build a serious point.  When I was at IC, we were told over and over and over again that one of the reasons we wouldn't ever compete in the conference was that we didn't recruit the St. Louis and Chicago areas enough.  Well, both Monmouth and IC have A LOT of players from central IL on their rosters and have finished as clearly the two top teams in the conference. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2011, 10:33:40 PM
Final
Knox 27
Monmouth 56

Final
Carroll 31
Grinnell 21

Final
Lawrence 20
Ripon 50

Final
Beloit 27
Illinois 48

Final
Luther 47
Cornell 7

(edited to correct Monmouth score)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2011, 03:15:33 AM
gbpuckfan reports 57-27, that's 84 points. The Monmouth website says 56-27, that's 83 points. Lets just split the difference, go with 83.5 points like RoopVegas predicted and the house keeps all bets. Dolla, dolla bill ya'll....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 06, 2011, 10:04:07 AM
Two ranked teams in the West Region lost this weekend (St. Olaf and Lewis and Clark).  I believe that leaves Illinois College as the only unranked team out West with 1 loss or fewer losses.  I don't think they are as far out of the playoff picture as most would expect.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 06, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Bad day in the forest yesterday, but the IC point makes it interesting!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 06, 2011, 01:51:37 PM
°W Would someone pass a message on to the SNC team?  While football is agreed to be an emotional game and jawing acceptable to most.... The N word has NO place for it if a team has one ounce of class...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fballfan40 on November 06, 2011, 01:55:21 PM
With the regular season over I was wondering what peoples' predictions are for all conference selections/poy's
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 06, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 05, 2011, 09:49:47 PM
Scottie is back from an enjoyable trip to the Maple City, which included a few MinutesWithMaverick (tm pending).  Overall, an entertaining game to watch and the KOTRisers got to stay happy a little longer than planned.  Congrats to Tanney, Blodgett and Yocum on their respective honors!  (Which one of them gets Offensive POY??)

Four or five ranked teams go down today, including several in the 20s.  How will that affect top 25 rankings (sorry, Moncolfan) and regional rankings?  As per the non-conference games mentioned earlier, the Johnnies beat St. Olaf and Dubuque took care of Coe.  Would love a Monmouth v. Dubuque game, regardless of who hosts. 

Lastly, congrats to TEXT U.  You were 41 points away from an undefeated season.   ::)

scottie .. I too could go for a Scots - Spartans match up.  They would be evenly matched I think.  And whether in Monmouth or Dubuque, the drive for me would be a bit long in either case ... but well worth it.

Now we just have to wait a week to see.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 06, 2011, 02:55:07 PM
Place Team                NCAA value
88     Monmouth         .517
109   Beloit                 .504
114   Knox                 .501
115   Ripon                 .500
116   Lake Forest        .499
119   Illinois College    .500

This is not everything the NCAA considers but it is what "gets you to the table" for the selection committee to be evaluated. Being 4 points better on the road than a 6th place CCIW team is easilly offset by getting run off the field against Monmouth at home.

At best IC will be 9th in line for 6 available bids.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 06, 2011, 07:32:26 PM
Roop, You just made my long travel day enjoyable!

:0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 06, 2011, 08:00:15 PM
If the margin of the IC-Monmouth game had been closer, there may be a shot.  But, I think a lot would have to happen for the MWC to ever get an at-large bid, and I highly doubt this is the year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 06, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
Roop -- I completely agree with you.  I didn't think they would even be within shouting distance to the 6th spot a month ago.  Just for fun, who do you have in the mix?

I'm certainly no expert but it looks like these teams are currently in front of IC for an at large:  McMurry (American Southwest), Illinois Wesleyan (CCIW), Centre (Southern), Redlands (Southern Cal), Case Western (UAA).  These teams were all ranked regionally this week and are not in line for a Pool A. 

Additionally, I think teams like Baldwin-Wallace and Washington-Lee, both with two losses, could be ahead.  Not sure about St. Olaf anymore...

Am I missing any other obvious ones?

We'll find out if IC has any shot whatsoever when the regional rankings are updated this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 06, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
Don't forget that the possibility of IC making it into the playoff mix may make the other issue's either come to a head or dissapear faster......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
One other thing to remember (not necessarily for IC, but for the playoff picture in general)....The MWC has finished a week earlier than many other conferences. (Gotta crack those books!) So there are still some teams that may play themselves in (or out) of the conversation.  That said, IC is now listed among the teams-receiving-votes and that's quite an achievement.  But The Roop is probably right as rain.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2011, 04:03:43 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on November 06, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
Roop -- I completely agree with you.  I didn't think they would even be within shouting distance to the 6th spot a month ago.  Just for fun, who do you have in the mix?

I'll take a closer look Monday or Thursday, scratch my head as to what the NCAAs priority will be this year and come up with something before Saturdays games are played. Typically there are better qualified 8-2 teams out there but last year 9-1 carried more weight than it should have.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 06, 2011, 03:15:33 AM
gbpuckfan reports 57-27, that's 84 points. The Monmouth website says 56-27, that's 83 points. Lets just split the difference, go with 83.5 points like RoopVegas predicted and the house keeps all bets. Dolla, dolla bill ya'll....

A typo on my part. My apologies.

And, sorry, I just don't think the MWC gets an at-large unless that one-loss team beat a purple power (or something close to it) in non-conference play. I'm not sure IC beating a 4-5 Millikin team quite makes that category.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 07, 2011, 03:04:44 PM
After not as much prognostication as I thought. You are a Pool C (in order of selection) if you are.....................

Linfield 9-1 West
Illinois Wesleyan 9-1 North
Centre 9-1 South
Case Western Reserve 9-1 North
Redlands 8-1 West
Bethel 8-2 West

On the table all day award goes to...................... Endicott
1st left out........................ Baldwin Wallace
Never considered............. Wartburg, Illinois College and Heidelberg
And the tough luck for Lewis & Clark upsetting Linfield award................ Washington & Lee.

Big surprises ?? The west coast gets 4 in. This years play offs go over budget.
No so big a surprise ?? The East gets shut out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 08, 2011, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 05, 2011, 09:49:47 PM
Scottie is back from an enjoyable trip to the Maple City, which included a few MinutesWithMaverick (tm pending).  Overall, an entertaining game to watch and the KOTRisers got to stay happy a little longer than planned.  Congrats to Tanney, Blodgett and Yocum on their respective honors!  (Which one of them gets Offensive POY??)

Four or five ranked teams go down today, including several in the 20s.  How will that affect top 25 rankings (sorry, Moncolfan) and regional rankings?  As per the non-conference games mentioned earlier, the Johnnies beat St. Olaf and Dubuque took care of Coe.  Would love a Monmouth v. Dubuque game, regardless of who hosts. 

Lastly, congrats to TEXT U.  You were 41 points away from an undefeated season.   ::)

scottie - Was good seeing you on Saturday and enjoyed the inaugural "Minutes With Maverick".  That's good stuff...I like it and may need to run with it. 8-)  Regarding MWC Offensive POY, any of those 3 would be good choices but I think Tanney will get it since he's the one who makes the whole thing go for the Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on November 08, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
I will take a stab at all.confirm


Qb 1 tanney, 2scaffidi, 3bates
Rb 1 pierce, Yocum, Mitchell
     2 Beckstrand, brimmage,fagan

Wr blodgett, Davis, Seer
     2 carrier, green, Thompson

Te.. Snc's te
      Grinnells te peters?

Oline you are on your own

DL Troyer, Zank, Meyer, Holzmeyer
Lb. Dzwiet, hoste, Hendricks, niche
Db Butts, reschke, Nantell, fisher
Lb
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fballfan40 on November 09, 2011, 01:59:48 AM
Haha a lakeforrest player at every position? One of the worst teM in conference
Probably won't be sweeping all conference.


Qb-tanney
Rb-yocum,beckstrand, brimmage, pierce
Wr-blodgget, seer, carrier, green
Te- no clue
Ol- probably mix between mc, ic, sNc guys

Dl- zank, taylor, hannsmann, Troyer
Lb-Hendrick, dziewit, hoste, defauw
Db-Denney, fisher, Clark, defauw
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 09, 2011, 08:31:41 AM
Wow some teams have more guys on your projected squads than MC? Then again Carroll had 17 last year and didn't even win the conference. I see MC having 7- 8 on the first team and another 7 or so that should be 2nd team or HM.  When you dominate the conference for all but 1 game...... to the winner should go the spoils. On another note congrats to IC on their season it was quite a turn around for them.  Sounds like they really only had one bad half of football all year.  Its also more refreshing not to hear their fans crying about getting an at large bid like the nonsense that we heard two years ago.  Though I think they are more deserving than SNC was two years ago. Could they in fact be the preseason favorites next year to win the conference?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on November 09, 2011, 08:34:50 AM
Lfc might not have been great W/L, but in particular they were strong on offense. Their weakness clearly lies on defense. They are also stat restricted on cumulative stats snce they are playing heir nonconference game on the 19th.
But their qb was ranked 2nd in all stats includingefficiency, and ranked nationally in the top 0 in most categories. So he is not a stretch as a 2nd tm pick.
WR Davis is 3rd in th NATION in rec yards.. clearly one of the more explosive players in conference and did it against everyone.
Mitchell might be a stretch at first team,but is an over 1,000 total offense back, and will likely break 1,000 irush in last game. His rec. stats gave him a bump imo.

Defensivey
Holzmeyer has sack/tfl #s that put him on the bubble he is probably a stretch.
As for Butts, is a multitime a/c choice, top tackler among dbs, and you have to respect how heplays..no lbs, no cbs

Best record doesn't mean best player, it means best collection of players.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2011, 09:25:34 AM
And none of them there LFC players never once tip-toed out of bounds or slid.  Crown 'em! 

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 09, 2011, 10:45:30 AM
Damn straight Scottie!  Fought for every yard!

lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 09, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
New Regional Rankings out for this week:

West Region:
#6 Monmouth
#9 Illinois College
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2011, 03:19:01 PM
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/11/09/second-ncaa-regional-rankings-2/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
C'mon, Pride:  Let's get the full picture in here....  :)

WEST
1 UW-Whitewater 7-0 9-0
2 St. Thomas 10-0 10-0
3 Linfield 7-0 8-0
4 Cal Lutheran 7-1 7-1
5 Dubuque 8-1 9-1
6 Monmouth (Ill.) 9-1 9-1
7 Redlands 7-1 7-1
8 St. Scholastica 9-0 9-0
9 Illinois College 9-1 9-1
10 Wartburg 7-2 7-2

I believe only the top 8 are involved in the post season, correct?  It would appear that, as of this week, the four west coast teams could pair up (8 v. 3 and 7 v. 4) and have 5 v. 2 and 6 v. 1.  Maybe some shifting will take place after this weekend.  Perhaps The Roop will be able to give us his expert opinion on this once he comes down off of his deer stand.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 09, 2011, 04:00:23 PM
They could do 8 vs 1 and 6 vs3 almost as easy. Looks like someone might be taking a plane ride either way. Scottie what do you think of the Scots #25 rating in the AFCA poll?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2011, 04:00:35 PM
No. Being listed in the rankings is not a guarantee of selection. Read the FAQ for more information -- it is linked from that regional rankings page I posted above.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 09, 2011, 04:02:18 PM
WOW it only took Pat 13 seconds to respond to my last post!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 09, 2011, 04:06:05 PM
I did my Pool Cs already scottie, the bracket should be pretty clear........................... And since the NCAA will be forced to be cheap the seedings are for entertainment purposes only.

West

Linfield 2
@Lewis and Clark 7

Redlands 6
@Cal Lutheran 3

Bethel 5
@Dubuque 4

St. Scholastica 8
@St. Johns 1

North

Benedictine 8
@UW-Whitewater 1

Monmouth 7
@North Central 2

Not getting into the rest of that bracket.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 09, 2011, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 09, 2011, 04:06:05 PM
I did my Pool Cs already scottie, the bracket should be pretty clear........................... And since the NCAA will be forced to be cheap the seedings are for entertainment purposes only.

West

Linfield 2
@Lewis and Clark 7

Redlands 6
@Cal Lutheran 3

Bethel 5
@Dubuque 4

St. Scholastica 8
@St. Johns 1
North

Benedictine 8
@UW-Whitewater 1

Monmouth 7
@North Central 2

Not getting into the rest of that bracket.

St. Thomas would be really pissed if St. John's made the playoffs over them.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2011, 04:13:52 PM
The Roop,

Lewis & Clark has zero chance of getting selected unless they pull a huge upset over Linfield Saturday.  And #2 in the 'North' will almost certainly be undefeated Wabash, not NCC (the likely #3).

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2011, 06:21:44 PM
The Roop, meet Mr. Trump.  "You're fired!"   ;D 

Scottie likes the good guys in the West (if you're going to win the Championship, you might as well do it from the toughest region....haha), but the North makes logical sense - geographically.  Monmouth @ Wabash has some very interesting sub-plots (and it would be easier for me to get to), but I'll believe it when I see it.

As far as the rankings go, I hadn't seen that (and typcially don't scour all of the possible rankings), but it's a little recognition at least. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2011, 04:49:54 AM
02 Warhawk St. Johns, St. Thomas, St. Scholastica. One of those 3 will win that game. LOL.

Mr. Ypsi: See my Pool C selections. I have Lewis and Clark upsetting Linfield and I don't think it will be that huge.

scottie: You can't fire me as I have yet to recieve the first text paycheck from you this year.

In conclussion. It doesn't have to be right to be my opinion, it just has to be my opinion. I did catch an error in my Pool C picks but after I looked again it only effected order of selection; not the teams that got in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on November 10, 2011, 10:28:13 AM
http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

Read down to LFC post. What happened here?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 10, 2011, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 10, 2011, 04:49:54 AM
02 Warhawk St. Johns, St. Thomas, St. Scholastica. One of those 3 will win that game. LOL.

Mr. Ypsi: See my Pool C selections. I have Lewis and Clark upsetting Linfield and I don't think it will be that huge.

scottie: You can't fire me as I have yet to recieve the first text paycheck from you this year.

In conclussion. It doesn't have to be right to be my opinion, it just has to be my opinion. I did catch an error in my Pool C picks but after I looked again it only effected order of selection; not the teams that got in.

That would really shake up the Pool C bids.

Teams like Redlands, Ill Wesleyan, LA College (and others) would get REALLY nervous then.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 10, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
The LFC post is not new.  Coach Cat has been the interim coach for the last 2+ years.  We were told that there would be a search with interviews that would happen in December this year.
I am pretty confidant that Cat will be here as "Head Coach" next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 10, 2011, 01:53:06 PM
Scots might be in LA somewhere near near Hollywood or Thousand Oaks against Cal. Lutheran,  WOW!  Are you ready for the big time?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 10, 2011, 01:58:53 PM
With Cornell playing their last Iowa Conference game this weekend against Coe I guess I should start getting involved on the MWC board.

I apologize if this has already been asked or addressed but how does everyone feel about Cornell coming back to the MWC??

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 10, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
Lawrence, Knox, and Lake Forest couldn't be happier!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 10, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 10, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
Lawrence, Knox, and Lake Forest couldn't be happier!

Why?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2011, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: Ash Park on November 10, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 10, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
Lawrence, Knox, and Lake Forest couldn't be happier!

Why?

I believe that was a (probably tongue-in-cheek) suggestion that the perennial MWC doormats might have someone they can beat. ;D

Personally, I'm guessing Cornell will initially be a middle-of-the-pack team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 10, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
No just someone they think they can beat........ I think Cornell will win 4 games maybe 5 depending on how the schedule plays out. Nothing against Cornell or adding another team, but I do not like the format of teams not all playing one another. Who would get the bid of two teams went undefeated? Or is it fair that one team misses Lake Forest and has to play St. Norberts, while another gets Lake Forest and misses Monmouth? I certainly hope it doesn't come down to overall record because then teams will revert back to scheduling the easiest non conference game they can. One of the rumors I have heard is that MC is opening up the season with Coe next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 11, 2011, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 10, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
No just someone they think they can beat........ I think Cornell will win 4 games maybe 5 depending on how the schedule plays out. Nothing against Cornell or adding another team, but I do not like the format of teams not all playing one another. Who would get the bid of two teams went undefeated? Or is it fair that one team misses Lake Forest and has to play St. Norberts, while another gets Lake Forest and misses Monmouth? I certainly hope it doesn't come down to overall record because then teams will revert back to scheduling the easiest non conference game they can. One of the rumors I have heard is that MC is opening up the season with Coe next year.

Tanney finally graduates and Monmouth falls off the Wartburg schedule?  I protest!  >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 11, 2011, 12:17:35 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 10, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
No just someone they think they can beat........ I think Cornell will win 4 games maybe 5 depending on how the schedule plays out. Nothing against Cornell or adding another team, but I do not like the format of teams not all playing one another. Who would get the bid of two teams went undefeated? Or is it fair that one team misses Lake Forest and has to play St. Norberts, while another gets Lake Forest and misses Monmouth? I certainly hope it doesn't come down to overall record because then teams will revert back to scheduling the easiest non conference game they can. One of the rumors I have heard is that MC is opening up the season with Coe next year.

Moncolfan, let's put this away until after the postseason, but since you asked and inquiring readers want to know...

Next year's MWC dates are set for conference opponents and locations for 2012 @

http://www.midwestconference.org/custompages/Future%20Schedules/2012%20-%20MWC%20Football%20Schedule.pdf (http://www.midwestconference.org/custompages/Future%20Schedules/2012%20-%20MWC%20Football%20Schedule.pdf)

The document doesn't provide non-conf. matchups; although St. Norbert and John Carroll go overseas. Eureka and KnoxontheRise battle for the inaugural Reagan-Lincoln-Douglas Cup. :o ;D ;)

Highlights:
•Monmouth will not have a repeat with Carroll as Scots give CU a one year grace period.
•St. Norbert and Illinois College don't (have to) meet one another. Didn't see this coming.
•Cornell and Ripon will have to wait a year to match up. (Have they ever met on the gridiron?)
•Beloit will not see Lake Forest in '12.
•Lawrence contest with St. Norbert is non-conf; SNC will count it thou as conf. contest for them.

Monmouth has a bye week 9/15/2012. These are a select few of the 21 D3 schools looking for date on 9/15...

Salisbury
St. Scholastica
UW-Whitewater
Wartburg
Washington and Lee
Wesley
Wheaton (Ill.)

I pondered, what if...
Just wait, wait, wait...I think I hear a buzz in...
Alex, I'll take "Bullet missed" for $1,000 please. The answer is....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2011, 06:48:56 AM
Ash,

Welcome to the board.  You'll find most guys on here have fun.  But we have a few tool bags.  There are some that think there are only 2 or 3 worthy teams in the MWC.  One is Mon fan.  His team just kicked my sons teams butt this year (Lake Forest).  The final score was 53-48.  I'm not sure how we ever recovered from that throttling......I wish they had a mercy rule.

Hey Mon Fan, was it really that traumatic when those kids were taking your lunch money when you were young?  You found an outlet were you can let loose like all the other internet hero's?

Again Ash,  Look forward to talking to you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2011, 09:06:47 AM
OK, maybe I've missed this, but how will the SNC-LU game work for standings?

If it's conference for SNC but not Lawrence, will SNC have one more conf game than everyone else - or will Lawrence have one fewer? Does the title get decided by winning percentage? Does that give SNC an advantage if it goes 9-1 and someone goes 8-1?

It was my understanding there would be no math...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 11, 2011, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2011, 09:06:47 AM
OK, maybe I've missed this, but how will the SNC-LU game work for standings?

If it's conference for SNC but not Lawrence, will SNC have one more conf game than everyone else - or will Lawrence have one fewer? Does the title get decided by winning percentage? Does that give SNC an advantage if it goes 9-1 and someone goes 8-1?

It was my understanding there would be no math...

Note simply, Lawrence plays no out-of-conference teams next year. They play Cornell first out of the box, could have been Conference Commissioner decision to allow later season game with SNC being their non-conference opponent.

As it will become, all teams get a bye week in the eleven week season. All teams will count their nine conference games in the tilt for the MWC championship. It would have been interesting thou to allow LU to count 10 in the conference. 8-)

Larry U and Cornell may have agreed to match up early to allow Cornell's rivalry game with Coe to be later in season.

I remember well the Knox/MC game in the 80s which was moved by the conference to very early in the season, what a joke that was. The Bronze Turkey game in September of all things!

It is what it is...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 11, 2011, 10:48:29 AM
Cornell Football 2012-Games they will win-Games they will lose-Games they might win.
Monmouth
Illinois College
St. Norbert
Carroll
Ripon
Grinnell
Lake Forest
Beloit
Lawrence
Knox
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 11, 2011, 10:52:11 AM
For once we agree Fulb there really were only three decent teams in the MWC this year.  Sorry if that hurts your feelings but thats what it is. Hopefully things will change in the future. I do know you guys at LFC will be talking about your near miss against the Scots years from now.  Its pretty bad when your best game you played all year was basically a two score loss against a team that played their worst game of the year. Using your own words it says a lot when a team is tip toeing , out of bounds and sliding when they are losing the game! Not too worried were they.  I am hoping the Scots can pull out a win in the playoffs but they will be an underdog regardless of who they play. Realistically they are going to have to play their best game of the year on both sides of the ball to have a chance. Its just hard to tell how good this team is or what it is capable of with the conference they play in. I will say this win lose or draw I am sure there are some of the higher seeded teams that would rather play someone else than MC in the first round. Finally Hog if you think MC's program is going away with the departure of Tanney and Blogett think again. I'll put my money down on the Scots to repeat as MWC champs next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 11, 2011, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on November 11, 2011, 12:17:35 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 10, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
No just someone they think they can beat........ I think Cornell will win 4 games maybe 5 depending on how the schedule plays out. Nothing against Cornell or adding another team, but I do not like the format of teams not all playing one another. Who would get the bid of two teams went undefeated? Or is it fair that one team misses Lake Forest and has to play St. Norberts, while another gets Lake Forest and misses Monmouth? I certainly hope it doesn't come down to overall record because then teams will revert back to scheduling the easiest non conference game they can. One of the rumors I have heard is that MC is opening up the season with Coe next year.

Moncolfan, let's put this away until after the postseason, but since you asked and inquiring readers want to know...

Next year's MWC dates are set for conference opponents and locations for 2012 @

http://www.midwestconference.org/custompages/Future%20Schedules/2012%20-%20MWC%20Football%20Schedule.pdf (http://www.midwestconference.org/custompages/Future%20Schedules/2012%20-%20MWC%20Football%20Schedule.pdf)

The document doesn't provide non-conf. matchups; although St. Norbert and John Carroll go overseas. Eureka and KnoxontheRise battle for the inaugural Reagan-Lincoln-Douglas Cup. :o ;D ;)

Highlights:
•Monmouth will not have a repeat with Carroll as Scots give CU a one year grace period.
•St. Norbert and Illinois College don't (have to) meet one another. Didn't see this coming.
•Cornell and Ripon will have to wait a year to match up. (Have they ever met on the gridiron?)
•Beloit will not see Lake Forest in '12.
•Lawrence contest with St. Norbert is non-conf; SNC will count it thou as conf. contest for them.



Thanks for posting!  No more Week 11 bye for everyone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 11, 2011, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2011, 06:48:56 AM
Ash,

Welcome to the board.  You'll find most guys on here have fun.  But we have a few tool bags.  There are some that think there are only 2 or 3 worthy teams in the MWC.  One is Mon fan.  His team just kicked my sons teams butt this year (Lake Forest).  The final score was 53-48.  I'm not sure how we ever recovered from that throttling......I wish they had a mercy rule.

Hey Mon Fan, was it really that traumatic when those kids were taking your lunch money when you were young?  You found an outlet were you can let loose like all the other internet hero's?

Again Ash,  Look forward to talking to you.

Thank you. Look forward to it.....I'm sure some of the other Cornell posters will be coming along for the ride as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 11, 2011, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: warthog on November 11, 2011, 10:48:29 AM
Cornell Football 2012-Games they will win-Games they will lose-Games they might win.
Monmouth
Illinois College
St. Norbert
Carroll
Ripon
Grinnell
Lake Forest
Beloit
Lawrence
Knox

I don't think they play Ripon next  year. I disagree with Grinnell....as I think that is one they win. Don't use the 2008 loss as your reasoning either....different coach and different players now. I think Carroll is one they might win. Other than the previously mentioned I agree with you   :D Cornell will have a solid group of guys coming back for them and they will continue to have another strong recruiting class. I think they go 5-5 ....maybe 6-4 and I am not saying that because of the conference they are playing in. I am saying this because they will have a lot guys back who are battle tested now. Should be an interesting year for sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 11, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 11, 2011, 10:52:11 AM
Finally Hog if you think MC's program is going away with the departure of Tanney and Blogett think again. I'll put my money down on the Scots to repeat as MWC champs next year.

I don't think I said MC football is going away.  I said Tanney is going away.  Lets be honest here a talent like his very seldom shows up at any NCAA D3 football program.  I don't believe he has been a one man show, but if any player can carry a team on his shoulders it is him.  I don't care if it is Monmouth or Wartburg - hell - I don't care if it is UWW or Mount Union, when a player of that caliber finally hangs it up it is going to hurt to some degree.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 12, 2011, 11:52:34 AM
I didn't look it up but the 12 team was in place long enough that I would say Cornell played all of the MWC teams before leaving. The North teams would take 6 years to complete a cycle of home-and-home games against the South.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 13, 2011, 09:32:46 AM
When I played at Monmouth we played 2 divisions with a title game at the end.
Coe                        Beloit
Cornell                   Lake Forest
Monmouth              Lawrence
Knox                      Ripon
Illinois College         St Norbert
Grinnell

So I am sure that with cross over games Cornell has played everyone in the past.

Best of luck to the Scots in their matchup with Dubuque!! How high will the score go in this game!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 13, 2011, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: formerscot4 on November 13, 2011, 09:32:46 AM
When I played at Monmouth we played 2 divisions with a title game at the end.
Coe                        Beloit
Cornell                   Lake Forest
Monmouth              Lawrence
Knox                      Ripon
Illinois College         St Norbert
Grinnell

So I am sure that with cross over games Cornell has played everyone in the past.

Best of luck to the Scots in their matchup with Dubuque!! How high will the score go in this game!!! (Sorry this is just based off the predicted bracket, jumped the gun a little)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 13, 2011, 11:42:15 AM
Fair enough Hog. I certainly agree with what you said in your last post. I just found your first post just a little peculiar because after all you guys have beaten Tanney three straight which is more than all of his other losses combined in his last three plus seasons. As far as the potential matchup vs Dubuque what's your take on this game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 13, 2011, 06:16:27 PM
Wow, MWC gets two in... Tough draws but not impossible. Congratulations Scots and Blue Boys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 13, 2011, 06:21:19 PM
Wow, was not expecting that!  Good luck to both!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 13, 2011, 06:22:53 PM
Congratulations Midwest Conference, the whole reason Coe left in the first place was that two teams would never come out of the MWC. Guess Cornell made the right choice to come back.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 13, 2011, 06:25:49 PM
If the stars align, Monmouth and Illinois College could play two (one another again), as this year's rematch at the national championship!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 13, 2011, 06:27:13 PM
Oh where is Blu? Come back and I'll eat some crow!  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 13, 2011, 06:29:15 PM
Not here on the board, but I'd been telling people who asked me all week that IC wouldn't get in...glad I'm wrong!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 06:31:30 PM
The bracket, for those who still haven't seen:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2011/11/bracket-released
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on November 13, 2011, 06:33:37 PM
Pat how did the brackets get so shuffled?  I mean with the mixing of regions and all.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 13, 2011, 06:56:07 PM
Really looking forward to the Monmouth vs. IWU game.  IWU has a very big and fast defense which should challenge Tanney.  On the other side of the ball, IWU has been extremely one dimensional on offense and has looked awful during stretches of the year.  I could be wrong, but I see Monmouth as having a great chance in this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on November 13, 2011, 07:11:53 PM
I don't understand how Monmouth doesn't get this game at home since they received their automatic qualifier spot for the MWC and IWU got an at large bid.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Woodsy76 on November 13, 2011, 07:11:53 PM
I don't understand how Monmouth doesn't get this game at home since they received their automatic qualifier spot for the MWC and IWU got an at large bid.  Any ideas?

Pool A vs. Pool C has no impact on seeding.  Check out the SOS of the two teams for your answer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 13, 2011, 07:18:29 PM
This is an opportunity for the MWC to make a statement. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 13, 2011, 07:34:31 PM
Notice the NCAA video placement of the Monmouth University (NJ) Hawks logo across the screen when they mentioned our Fighting Scots? Perhaps our SID can gear up a video and correct the NCAA of their errs, Come on NCAA, get it right.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmidwestconference.org%2Fcustompages%2FLogo%2520Downloads%2FAthletic%2520Logo%2Ffighting_scots_logo.jpg&hash=0127a308dc8897b0d477ee43c741a8cddd0fa2cc)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 13, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
Welcome to the Pod Era! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 13, 2011, 08:34:14 PM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on November 13, 2011, 07:34:31 PM
Notice the NCAA video placement of the Monmouth University (NJ) Hawks logo across the screen

I noticed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 13, 2011, 09:36:32 PM
To be completely honest, I'm shocked that Illinois College received an at-large bid.  It's great for the Midwest Conference, but I'm still surprised at it.  I'm looking forward to the Monmouth vs. Illinois Wesleyan game...a nice, short trip for the Scots and should be a good matchup between the 2 teams.  And I've never actually been on the IWU campus, but have always heard good things about their facilities--so I'm excited to check the place out for the first time.  Any chance of a "scottiesighting" in Bloomington on Saturday? 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2011, 10:15:26 PM
I, too, am pleasantly surprised with 2 teams. Good luck to both teams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 13, 2011, 10:34:53 PM

MC and IWU:
Unbelievable facts

The highways between the two schools: Route 34 and I-74  [34+74= 108]  8-)
The distance between the two schools: 108 miles (ok, so it's 106)  :D
IWU leads series: 2-1-1 Lifetime  :o
Over the years they schedule JV games against each other...perhaps Tanney played first year against IWU's JV.   ??? Just guessing...like I said, unbelieveable.

Courtesy newline:  Football opens NCAA playoffs at Illinois Wesleyan
http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=a867fd55-e352-4407-a532-5c820c41fd2e (http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=a867fd55-e352-4407-a532-5c820c41fd2e)

Game time is 12 noon.

Anything about IWU's (Red) cup policies Monmouth fans should know in advance?
GO SCOTS
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 13, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
Scottie was psyching himself out for a possible drive to Dubuque, Crawfordsville, or possibly Janesville metro.  So a short cruise over to B/N raises the scottiesighting rating to a 99.

I don't think "Tanney" and "JV" have been uttered in the same sentence since....ever.  So this will be the first time they have seen each other on the field.  Historically, I think the Monmouth JV teams have been relatively successful, but can't find any past scores vs. IWU - nor do they matter.   

Regarding IC: Let's just agree that it is a gift for them and the MWC.  They were probably as shocked as everyone else in the selection.  (One almost wonders if the NCAA had IC on their mind for some other possible reason and mistakenly selected them out of a new-found familiarity.)  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2011, 12:12:41 AM
Scottie,

Maybe they got addled and tried to invite IWU twice! ;D  Or thought IC played in the Big Ten? :P

I'm reasonably confident that overall IWU is a better team than Monmouth (and that is NOT intended as a knock on Monmouth), but Tanney scares the bejeezes out of me.  I've seen what a super QB can do to a 'better' team (e.g., Rupp of Franklin or Watt of Trine).  I'm especially concerned because, while the defense is overall one of the best in d3, it is even better against the run than the pass.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 14, 2011, 09:32:21 AM
Well I guess we will see saturday who the better team is. However there is little doubt who plays the better competition and with IWU playing at home they definitely are the favorites. While Monmouth's D has lacked consistency, I believe this game will come down to how well Monmouth's O Line plays.  I think the only Defense MC has seen all year that comes close to IWU's was St. Norberts and everyone knows how many points were scored in that one. Good luck to the Scots and IC as well. If either team happens to win it will be a big boost to the conference's reputation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 14, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
Congratulations to both teams and their fans. Good luck!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 14, 2011, 10:39:01 AM
Hey Fighting Scot77 - Unbelievable???? :o  I do remember a JV game from either 2 or 3 years ago against IWU where some kid from their team had a real bad compound fracture and was screaming in agony. I don't think there was a fan in the stands or a player on the field that didn't feel for that kid. Guess it was really bad. I wonder if any of the IWU fans can fill us in on how the kid made out.  Hopefully he recovered and continued on with his career. I think he may have been a RB but not sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2011, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on November 13, 2011, 10:34:53 PM

MC and IWU:
Unbelievable facts

The highways between the two schools: Route 34 and I-74  [34+74= 108]  8-)
The distance between the two schools: 108 miles (ok, so it's 106)  :D
IWU leads series: 2-1-1 Lifetime  :o
Over the years they schedule JV games against each other...perhaps Tanney played first year against IWU's JV.   ??? Just guessing...like I said, unbelieveable.

Courtesy newline:  Football opens NCAA playoffs at Illinois Wesleyan
http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=a867fd55-e352-4407-a532-5c820c41fd2e (http://www.monmouthcollege.edu/athletics/news/story.aspx?Channel=%2fChannels%2fSports&WorkflowItemID=a867fd55-e352-4407-a532-5c820c41fd2e)

Game time is 12 noon.

Anything about IWU's (Red) cup policies Monmouth fans should know in advance?
GO SCOTS

Yes, that was my next question...the important stuff. ;)  How are the IWU pre-game festivities and/or policies? 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2011, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 13, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
Scottie was psyching himself out for a possible drive to Dubuque, Crawfordsville, or possibly Janesville metro.  So a short cruise over to B/N raises the scottiesighting rating to a 99.

I don't think "Tanney" and "JV" have been uttered in the same sentence since....ever.  So this will be the first time they have seen each other on the field.  Historically, I think the Monmouth JV teams have been relatively successful, but can't find any past scores vs. IWU - nor do they matter.   

Regarding IC: Let's just agree that it is a gift for them and the MWC.  They were probably as shocked as everyone else in the selection.  (One almost wonders if the NCAA had IC on their mind for some other possible reason and mistakenly selected them out of a new-found familiarity.)  :o

Now that the "scottiesighting" is lined up, there may be a playoff version of "MinutesWithMaverick" on Saturday.

New-found familiarity between the NCAA and IC...good stuff, scottie! :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 14, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
Are there going to be many Bluefolks making the trip to Crawfordsville on Saturday?  These things are always more fun with a sizable opposing crowd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 14, 2011, 11:50:23 AM
Are there going to be many Bluefolks making the trip to Crawfordsville on Saturday?  These things are always more fun with a sizable opposing crowd.

I can't speak as to how well IC will travel for a playoff game, but there usually aren't many at all who show up around these message boards.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wabco on November 14, 2011, 03:39:41 PM
Congratulations to Illinois College.  Wabash is about 3 1/2 hours away and there mis a time difference.  Hope you all can come and support the Blueboys.  It looks like you guys score a lot of points and we have a pretty good defense. It should be a fun game.  (By the way ... how the name Blueboy came to be your moniker?)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wabco on November 14, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
Forgot to tell you ... if you are unable to make the trip, Wabash streams all its games on its web site.  Just go to the Wabash football web site and look around  ... the directions are there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2011, 05:36:13 PM
Just read this and thought it was worth sharing.  (Pat, perhaps for your site?)  Our new visitors to the MWC site from Wabash might also enjoy this:

http://blogs.monm.edu/breakfast/2011/11/08/rivalry-games-and-final-exams/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2011, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 14, 2011, 05:36:13 PM
Just read this and thought it was worth sharing.  (Pat, perhaps for your site?)  Our new visitors to the MWC site from Wabash might also enjoy this:

http://blogs.monm.edu/breakfast/2011/11/08/rivalry-games-and-final-exams/

I thought we had already shared that, but maybe it was only on Twitter or Facebook. I'll try to get it into what we're reading.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Schwami on November 14, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
scottie, thanks for sharing that, and Pat, sorry if I missed it earlier

+K  :)

I also learned today that the founder of Illinois College (in 1829), Rev. John Millot Ellis, was later one of the nine founders of Wabash College (in 1832), so we have an incredibly long historical connection there!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2011, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Schwami on November 14, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
scottie, thanks for sharing that, and Pat, sorry if I missed it earlier

+K  :)

I also learned today that the founder of Illinois College (in 1829), Rev. John Millot Ellis, was later one of the nine founders of Wabash College (in 1832), so we have an incredibly long historical connection there!

Does that make Wabash a branch campus of IC?! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Schwami on November 14, 2011, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 14, 2011, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Schwami on November 14, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
scottie, thanks for sharing that, and Pat, sorry if I missed it earlier

+K  :)

I also learned today that the founder of Illinois College (in 1829), Rev. John Millot Ellis, was later one of the nine founders of Wabash College (in 1832), so we have an incredibly long historical connection there!

Does that make Wabash a branch campus of IC?! ;D

If both Monmouth and IC win on Saturday, I might concede the point  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 14, 2011, 07:04:57 PM
I'll take the action on that!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wabco on November 14, 2011, 07:15:16 PM
Scottie

Mauri is a Little Giant.  The Bell to which he made reference in his article is the Monon Bell.  The school who lost it ... again for the third straight year ... got their clock cleaned a week ago by, you guessed it, Little Giants. 

WAF
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 14, 2011, 08:44:43 PM
This is just crazy!!! I now live in Greencastle, IN. IC is playing just up the road and even not that far to get to B/N to check out my Scots!! I know its beating a dead horse, but I did not see IC making a second bid for the conference. It is great to see though. Good luck to my Scots and the Blueboys!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 14, 2011, 09:59:56 PM
Greetings Monmouth fans.  Just FYI, you can find video archives of all IWU homes games here...

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/iwu.portal#

Just go to the "On Demand" tab.  (Just FYI in case you want to do some scouting.)

Congrats on your season and good luck Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2011, 12:23:26 AM
3 things I thought I'd never hear in my life.......................

SuperBowl Champion quarterback Trent Dilfer
Anaheim Angels have won the World Series
MWC gets a Pool C bid

Another curiosity is how the NCAA awarded Monmouth a defacto home game per the scottiesighting clause.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 15, 2011, 12:36:56 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 15, 2011, 12:23:26 AM
3 things I thought I'd never hear in my life.......................

SuperBowl Champion quarterback Trent Dilfer
Anaheim Angels have won the World Series
MWC gets a Pool C bid

Another curiosity is how the NCAA awarded Monmouth a defacto home game per the scottiesighting clause.

I thought I made out 'scottiesighting' in the post, but had to come here (seeing the original posting parameters) to be sure. :P  In terms of distance it may be a de facto home game, but the Titans plan to protect THEIR actual home turf.  Unless Tanney somehow manages one of his 5-6 TD games (which I am counting on the Titan defense to prevent), I'm going 37-14 Titans.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 15, 2011, 02:40:36 AM
I'll say Scots 27-24  I think we are at least as good as Milikin. the Scots will need to play their best game of the year to do this.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2011, 10:04:25 AM
TWO things I thought I'd never hear in MY life.......................

Scottie, thanks
+K

It's nice to have visitors on this board who know quality when they read it!   ;)


I S   B L O O M I N G T O N   R E A D Y   F O R   S O M E   B A G P I P E S ? ? ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 15, 2011, 11:59:07 AM
While I am the first to concede that the MWC isn't the greatest, and certainly is no where near the same class as CCIW is from top to bottom, you'd think that CCIW has sent a representative to the Stagg Bowl the last 6 years with the way some of fans are yapping on all of these boards.  Little or no one is giving MC or Dubuque a chance to even be in close games. I figured the St. Norberts game last year is the reason, but even their third place team is improved over last years conference champ. I know that the schools in the CCIW conference have had good runs in the playoffs but to be talking about winning by three or four touchdowns is certainly confident to say the least.  To argue NCC should be hosting a second round playoff game????. C'mon NCC got the gift seed over Whitewater last year and couldn't seal the deal, so now they get their chance in the Mt. Union bracket.  Anyway I am the first one to be rooting for some new blood in the Stagg bowl and maybe one of their teams can do it but for now I'd worry about at least getting out of the second round.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 15, 2011, 01:03:31 PM
I am a Wesleyan alum and now have a connection to Illinois College.  I've watched 3 IWU games in person this year and 6 IC games.  There is no doubt in my mind that IWU and the CCIW overall have more athleticsm and depth on their rosters than the MWC, but I don't think anyone is really debating that. 

However, I stated in this forum on Sunday night that I think Monmouth has a great shot to go into Tucci Stadium on Saturday and give IWU a great game.  Monmouth cannot allow the Wesleyan offense, which has struggled for a good chunk of the season, to get on track, and they cannot turn the ball over.  Wesleyan's defense will bend and Monmouth must capitalize.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mugsy on November 15, 2011, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 15, 2011, 02:40:36 AM
I'll say Scots 27-24  I think we are at least as good as Milikin. the Scots will need to play their best game of the year to do this.

fyi... Millikin is not good by CCIW standards.  They've been in the lower half of CCIW standings for the past 10 years.  They are getting better, but finished 2-5 in conference this year.

The IWU vs. Millikin game was very, very close (a 28-25 IWU victory), but most attribute that to the fact it is their rivalry game of the year.  Not saying you can't beat IWU, but you'll need to be much better than Millikin.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2011, 03:11:39 PM
I think adding Millikin into this conversation is a very slippery slope.  IWU beat Millikin by 3 (in a fivalry game).  IC beat Millikin by 4.  Monmouth beat IC by 41 (in what is basically IC's rivlary game).  How much do these three games matter this Saturday? Not one bit.

Looking only at the IWU scores and having not seen them in person, they seemed to score progressively more as they played weaker CCIW competition.  Alternatively, MC's defense gave up the most points in conference to 3 of the 4 worst teams (38 ppg) and played their best against the top four teams in the conference (11 ppg).  So, Scottie thinks this will come down to two aspects:  Does Monmouth's defense bring their A-Game?  And, can the offense avoid a playoff tradition by scoring in the second half?  If the answer to both of those is Yes, the Scots should have a reasonable chance to get another shot at St. Thomas.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 16, 2011, 03:59:37 PM
2011 All-MWC Selections were released today.  Congrats to all the award winners.

Offensive Player of the Year - Alex Tanney, Monmouth
Defensive Player of the Year - Mike Dziewit, Carroll
Coach of the Year - Steve Bell, Monmouth

Links to the press releases:
http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2011/11/16/FB_1116114143.aspx
http://www.midwestconference.org/custompages/Weekly%20Releases/2011-12/Football/FB_AC_11.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
Congrats to all the players on the Midwest All Conferance Team.  It was fun watching you guys this year.

3 teams still playing this weekend.  Good luck to all!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 16, 2011, 07:20:40 PM
Congrats to all award winners

Lots of great QBs in the league but am surprised that Michael Bates did not get a mention. Pretty impressive leading his team to best record in school history, first ever playoff berth, and ranking #2 in nation in total offense. Something tells me he'll make the list a couple times in the future though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2011, 08:08:33 PM
Titan,

You're Freshman QB is definately a player.  And while his team stats are at the top, his aren't quite there yet.  IC was the 4th in the conference in passing which is where most will rate the QB.  He did well when I saw him, but I think Scafidi was better and will be back again next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 16, 2011, 08:26:09 PM
Definitely not taking anything away from your QB, dad. But Bates ranked second in the nation for total individual offense, combining his passing and rushing stats. Yes, IC fell to 4th in league in passing (because they didn't have to throw at the end of the season to win) but Bates is multi-dimensional because of his quickness. Can't only look at his pass stats.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
guess we'll see next year.  Scafidi still has his first games stats to be entered after this weekend cuz thier first game was stopped with 7 minutes left in the first half. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2011, 11:18:58 PM
This is all assuming that the Bates kid even is able to keep his starting position next year. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2011, 06:45:31 AM
Scottie,  there must be something more to your last post.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2011, 09:35:17 AM
Just a little prior history, before you joined us..... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on November 17, 2011, 11:26:48 AM
Ok lets play find ROOP

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1899447999279&set=o.194455543940338&type=1&theater
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 17, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Any argument for best QB next year should include the kid from MC who started when Tanney got hurt last year. i'll wager he will have more  yards from scrimmage than any QB in the league next year. it looks like Carroll did it again with another 11 all-conference selections that placed them second in the league. last year they had 17 Lol and finished in a tie for second or fourth depending on how you look at it and this year they finished 4th. So  how do they keep getting more kids on this team than St. Norbs? Scottie I did see IC's back up QB play at the end of the MC game this year. Hard to make anything out of him with just a few plays other than there is no way his size is as big as what's listed in the roster. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 17, 2011, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 17, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Any argument for best QB next year should include the kid from MC who started when Tanney got hurt last year. i'll wager he will have more  yards from scrimmage than any QB in the league next year. it looks like Carroll did it again with another 11 all-conference selections that placed them second in the league. last year they had 17 Lol and finished in a tie for second or fourth depending on how you look at it and this year they finished 4th. So  how do they keep getting more kids on this team than St. Norbs? Scottie I did see IC's back up QB play at the end of the MC game this year. Hard to make anything out of him with just a few plays other than there is no way his size is as big as what's listed in the roster.

No one will be challenging Bates for playing time at QB over the course of the next 3 years.  I don't care in what state you played high school football. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
Thanks for the clarification....Daddy Bates?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 17, 2011, 03:08:05 PM
ha..not even close.  Just a fan who watched several IC games this year, and there is a big difference between the starter and all other QBs on the roster. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
If he were his dad, there was a name change. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2011, 04:42:37 PM
Pat, I'm happy to give you all Intellectual Property rights to D3DADS.com.  That would probably end up being your cash cow. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 17, 2011, 05:20:27 PM
Name change. From Norman?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on November 17, 2011, 03:08:05 PM
ha..not even close.  Just a fan who watched several IC games this year, and there is a big difference between the starter and all other QBs on the roster.

Exactly. The other QBs would have hit their targets instead of relying on miraculous catches. In short, Bates has the job until the head coach leaves. One is Linus, the other is the towel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 17, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
Wow....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2011, 01:58:11 AM
I know. I'm a crazy mo fo. I once popped a cop cuz he wouldn't give me my props in Oak Town.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 18, 2011, 06:28:44 AM
Monfan,  This is the only time that I have agreed with you on this board, although you claimed otherwise.  lol.  I sensed/suspected the dad input a while ago.  The fathers of pitchers in baseball and QB's in football are a very identifiable breed.  When I was coaching baseball, we used to look at the other teams lineup card.  Whenever the pitchers name was the same as the manager, we would high five each other.  Cuz 9 times out of 10 they would have higher beliefs in thier boys than everyone else and would leave them in games much longer than they should have.  Almost won the state Babe Ruth Championship because of it, but that's another story.

And I think the D3Dads.com is brilliant.  But I was thinking maybe you should make it more of a 12 step program.  I'll be the first to post.

"Hi, I'm Marvin and I'm the father of a D3 football player."

You say "Hi Marvin!"

Then every post after this I am required to state if it's my son I'm talking about.  We'd all be able to wade through the proud dad crap.

LOL

PS-It has been said to me that there are many at IC on the team that believe that they are starting the 2nd best QB.  That they would be even better if one of the boys on the bench is playing.  I wouldn't know, I've only seen Bates.  But I can assure you, my boy doesn't play there. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 18, 2011, 09:31:52 AM
Here's my take on the IC QB situation.  First, its very funny that a couple posters who saw IC play maybe once or twice all year are trying to come across as the experts on the situation, but I'll just let that rest for now.  To imply that Bates is actually the worst QB on the team and his WRs bailed him out constantly, as Roop did above, is just idiocy.  IC has great talent at the WR position this year, no doubt about it.  But, still, the implication made above is not true at all.

Secondly, at the risk of insulting the other QBs on the roster, I saw a couple of the backups play in the spring.  And, before you all jump all over the spring practice thing, IC could legally have spring practices this year due to their trip to Canada.  Anyway, even with Bates' high school accolades, I didn't want to believe that at a program as small as IC even, a freshmen could step in and be a day 1 starter.  However, based on seeing the other QBs in the spring, I left that spring practice thinking Bates had a heck of shot at starting day 1. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BayernFan on November 18, 2011, 09:53:48 AM
So whats the word in Jacksonville?  Will many IC fans be making the trip to Crawfordsville tomorrow??  It's only a little over 3 hours away.  Perfect road trip.  Students and fans should make the trip, seeing as it is the first time IC has been to the playoffs.  Win or lose, its something that they will remember.  What is the point of having a team if you dont watch em play in big games?

Anyway, I just havent seen any IC people on this board.

I hope lots come tomorrow.

Go WABASH!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2011, 09:56:11 AM
Ogeez, make it stop.....  It was a joke.  I was high on cheap bbq sauce at the time.   Fuggetaboudit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 18, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
Hey Pat 27-24 Monmouth???? How in the world did you come up with a prediction like that??????-Finally  Fulb you really have no clue. There lyrics to an old song ... He ain't heavy He's my ...
and why aren't you taking Pat to the woodshed like you did me?


Pat: I'm going to try Illinois Wesleyan here. The Titans haven't put together a lot of offense. Now, admittedly, the defense is darn good, and Monmouth hasn't faced a lot of top-flight competition. But in a shootout, I find myself wondering how much ammuniation Illinois Wesleyan has.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 18, 2011, 01:22:05 PM
And for the record Pat I was just kidding. I called it first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2011, 01:23:33 PM
Oh OK, good, because I completely did not understand you at first. I thought for a second you were saying I picked Monmouth in Triple Take and IWU in the predictions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 18, 2011, 01:31:46 PM
27-24! SCOTS, I'll assume you arrived at that score independently- did you have MC missing an extra point too?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2011, 01:36:07 PM
Ahh. Yes, I did also have them missing a PAT. I try to check all of my predictions against kicker success tendencies. I ran out of time to do that this week but I did get the first half of the bracket. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2011, 02:31:36 PM
Extra!  Extra!  Read all about it!!  HOLY COW, Pat picks Monmouth!  I thought I was having a stroke when I read that!!!   ;)

Taking a quick look at all of the predictions, it would appear that this game is certainly one of the closest calls on the boards.  I think only Cal Lutheran vs. Linfield has a closer overall margin in the predictions.  I love MC in a toss-up and still back my analysis from a few days ago.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfan on November 18, 2011, 03:56:14 PM
Any word on tailgating regulations @ IWU?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 18, 2011, 04:11:49 PM
Quote from: mwcfan on November 18, 2011, 03:56:14 PM
Any word on tailgating regulations @ IWU?

You can find parking on the south and east sides of the Shirk Center.  Tucci Stadium sits directly behind Shirk.  To my knowledge, there are no regulations on tailgating, beverages, etc.  Enjoy your trip to IWU!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 18, 2011, 04:14:36 PM
Not only did Pat pick Monmouth he chose the same score I did. As for the IC quarterback situation nobody is questioning the Bates kid or IC's depth chart. If anyone wants in on the joke go back to posts from last summer.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on November 18, 2011, 04:46:36 PM
Sorry to interrupt the Playoff talk, but Chris Howard fired as Lawrence's coach.

Associate Head coach Mike Barthlemess has been promoted to Full Head coach effective immediately.

http://blogs.lawrence.edu/highlights/2011/11/barthelmess-promoted-to-head-football-coach-at-lawrence.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Silence.Dogood on November 18, 2011, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on November 18, 2011, 04:11:49 PM
Quote from: mwcfan on November 18, 2011, 03:56:14 PM
Any word on tailgating regulations @ IWU?

You can find parking on the south and east sides of the Shirk Center.  Tucci Stadium sits directly behind Shirk.  To my knowledge, there are no regulations on tailgating, beverages, etc.  Enjoy your trip to IWU!

When Wabash played there two years ago, the visiting fans were directed to the parkling lot south of the stadium/field.  There are several "no alcohol" signs up but there was no hassle from anyone.  You should have no problems (but the parking lot is small). Get there early.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncfballfan on November 18, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: larry_u on November 18, 2011, 04:46:36 PM
Sorry to interrupt the Playoff talk, but Chris Howard fired as Lawrence's coach.

Associate Head coach Mike Barthlemess has been promoted to Full Head coach effective immediately.

http://blogs.lawrence.edu/highlights/2011/11/barthelmess-promoted-to-head-football-coach-at-lawrence.html

About time, he hasn't won since he went there. Good riddance.  Best of luck to the Scots and Blueboys tomorrow!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 18, 2011, 10:40:13 PM
Nice feature on the website about IC. One note... this is NOT the Midwest Conference's first at-large bid. St. Norbert got into the tournament in 1989.

It IS the conference's first at-large bid since the tourney was expanded and the auto-bid extended. A nitpicky point to be sure, but worth mentioning the conference has earned such a bid previously.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
All bids were at-large then -- the distinction is not particularly. Coe got into the tournament in the 16-team field as well, but those are not the circumstances we are talking about.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 19, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
IC down 7-O early.  In following the online stats, I believe both teams went three and out to start and then on the third possession of the game, Wabash went 14 plays, 8Osome yards for a score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 19, 2011, 12:27:44 PM
IC countered with their own long drive, but trail by a point as the XP was blocked.  Bates to Fricke for a two-yard TD pass was the scoring play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 19, 2011, 12:44:21 PM
Not sure how much more I'll post as I'm having trouble getting the live feed to work consistently.  14-6 Wabash in the second quarter and they are close to scoring again--inside the IC 2O.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 19, 2011, 01:07:05 PM
28-6 Wabash at half. Line of scrimmage being controlled by Little Giants. IC ball coming out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 19, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Wabash takes out IC 38 20. IC just couldn't compete physically.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on November 19, 2011, 03:36:26 PM
Monmouth and IWU going into first OT...tied 17-17. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 19, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 18, 2011, 02:31:36 PM
Extra!  Extra!  Read all about it!!  HOLY COW, Pat picks Monmouth!  I thought I was having a stroke when I read that!!!   ;)

He knew what he was doing!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on November 19, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Monmouth wins it in three overtimes by a score of 33-27.  Way to go Scots...Now get ready for the Tommies
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 19, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
RoopVegas has set the over/under for scottie posts at 15. 6 for posts relating to why Monmouth had to play on the road as a Pool A.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 19, 2011, 04:37:08 PM
What a great game!!! Congrats to my alma mater!!!! I think I went into cardiac arrest watching on my computer. Go get the Tommies!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 19, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: formerscot4 on November 19, 2011, 04:37:08 PM
What a great game!!! Congrats to my alma mater!!!! I think I went into cardiac arrest watching on my computer. Go get the Tommies!!!

Ditto!!!

Noticed the Fan Poll just went up from 317 to 327 in the last few minutes in ranking IWU - Monmouth as THE game accounting for the best toss - up game. It proved to be just that!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2011, 06:44:30 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 19, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
RoopVegas has set the over/under for scottie posts at 15. 6 for posts relating to why Monmouth had to play on the road as a Pool A.

TAKE THE UNDER!
  ;D  It's a non-issue at this point.  Besides, the trip to Bloomington cut about 200 miles off of my round trip, and I'd say that the Monmouth fans nearly equaled the IWU fans in number. Some excellent MinuteswithMaverick and the FS13 Grill deserved a blue ribbon.  But about the game.... 

Congrats to the good guys on a great gut-check win.  Two turnovers and a single-digit yard punt basically gift wrapped 10 of IWU's 17 first half points.  The Scots D pitched a nice shutout in the second half and the offense rolled up 320 yards (in the second half) on the 8th ranked defense.  (Kudos to kickers from both teams....perfect on PATs and FGs in that wind.)

The OT was intense, and credit the Scots D for holding IWU to a field goal on first and goal from the 6 yard line. Whew!!  Great day to be a Scot!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2011, 06:57:55 PM
Nice win!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 19, 2011, 07:28:18 PM
Way to go Scots! Too bad IC couldn't win but a nice showing, nonetheless.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2011, 07:38:57 PM
Congratulations to Monmouth!

The game went about as I feared.  The Titan defense did indeed slow Tanney (it is essentially impossible to shut him down, but we certainly slowed him!), but the Titan offense has been one-dimensional ever since top running-back T. J. Stinde went down for the season early in game 3, and Rob Gallik (who will be a GREAT QB) picked the wrong game to look like a YOUNG QB (4 INTs and a fumble).  I'm still convinced that IWU is overall the stronger team, but not nearly enough better to overcome that many errors (UMU or UWW might overcome that sort of thing; we won't).

In my bracket, I had IWU upsetting St. Thomas, then beating (NOT upsetting) Del Val, to win the bracket and make it to the semis.  Since my Titans won't do it (d'oh!), I'm rooting for you to pull it off! ;D  [And I'm not a bad picker; I went 14 of 16 for the first round, and my only other miss was Hampden-Sydney beating Centre, but little harm since I had either of them losing to UMU in round two anyway.  THIS miss could kill my bracket, so take out the Tommies and Del Val for me, to kill almost everyone else! ;D]

GO SCOTS!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redmen09 on November 19, 2011, 07:42:09 PM
The MWC won a playoff game and got two teams in during one season? There won't be anything to talk about on here during the offseason, no more ifs and buts.

Congrats to Monmouth, that was quite the thriller and fun to watch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2011, 07:46:49 PM
BTW, lest that last post sounded too selfish in wishing well for Monmouth, I have a mentally and physically impaired niece living in an assisted-living apartment in Monmouth.  Most if not all of her care-givers have been Monmouth students and Monmouth alums.  I have genuine affection for Monmouth (except for about three hours earlier today!). ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 19, 2011, 09:22:09 PM
     28  Lake Forest
     56  Concordia (Ill.)  :o       Continuation of postponed game (first week of season)
   
Wow, didn't think this would happen to Lake Forest.

LF ahead 28 - 26 in second quarter of this contest when resumed.

Apparently the offensive squad missed the bus to River Forest or players transitioned over to Hockey and left the team to "call it in." A loss of forest burning preportions means a long winter for coaches and players to ask themselves where the wheels fell off this season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Yupstate on November 20, 2011, 12:40:12 AM
Fs77... Foresters lost All conf WR early
(knee?) starting LB as well. (ankle) and were using two defensive players to man the tailback spot. Not sure if it was injuries or not. QB had a poor day in the wind. LFC bench had at least 20players on the sideline not in pads, only 40ish dressed out. Fbdad--injuries or suspensions?


Defense played well forcing FGs but were overwhelmed as game went on. CUC was very good, and played very emotionally.though for a team that starts the game with a PA lead prayer, they don't exactly behave like it on the field. Game appeared on the verge of turning into a brawl on multiple occassions. (by no means saying LFC was innocent)


Cu qb is a special player.
lFC only has 10 seniors, so the future should be bright.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 20, 2011, 06:26:18 AM
Injuries injuries injuries, lol

One of the two defensive players used in the backfield is actually a fullback they moved to linebacker a couple games ago.  Two games ago he was awarded MWC defensive player of the week (freshman).

Oh yeah, I was supposed to have started with "Hi, I'm Marvin and I'm a D3 Football dad".

Lol!

Nice going Monmouth. Keep that traing going!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 20, 2011, 01:16:26 PM
The site locations for this weeks games are starred for Saturday, the 26th via http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/football_d3_2011.pdf (http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/football_d3_2011.pdf)

Scots, as expected head to St. Thomas. Suggest Scots place call to Macalester bagpipers to stir our team on this week.

A slight surprise, but not unexpected, Linfield goes East to Wesley! The east does it again to the west.

Assume the NCAA charters these flights out and teams aren't put through the joys of body scans. Comments to the contrary?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2011, 01:32:49 PM
Shorter flights (I believe 900 miles or less) tend to be commercial, while the longer-haul flights are typically charter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 20, 2011, 06:29:21 PM
Pat, will you be based out of STU again next weekend? 

The scottingsighting ratio right now is hovering around 16%, though that could rise significantly as the week goes on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
Yep -- looking forward to seeing Tanney play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 20, 2011, 08:23:28 PM
Pat- It was 27 - 24 Monmouth in that 2nd OT  ;D IWU made the FG to send it to the third OT.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 20, 2011, 08:23:28 PM
Pat- It was 27 - 24 Monmouth in that 2nd OT  ;D IWU made the FG to send it to the third OT.

Don't think I wasn't thinking that as they lined up for that field goal. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2011, 10:37:07 PM
I have to say...great game by Monmouth yesterday. I'm so glad I was able to watch it on my computer.

Congrats!!!

Now take down UST  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 21, 2011, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 19, 2011, 07:38:57 PM
Congratulations to Monmouth!

The game went about as I feared.  The Titan defense did indeed slow Tanney (it is essentially impossible to shut him down, but we certainly slowed him!), but the Titan offense has been one-dimensional ever since top running-back T. J. Stinde went down for the season early in game 3, and Rob Gallik (who will be a GREAT QB) picked the wrong game to look like a YOUNG QB (4 INTs and a fumble). I'm still convinced that IWU is overall the stronger team, but not nearly enough better to overcome that many errors (UMU or UWW might overcome that sort of thing; we won't).


I'm not convinced at all that IWU is a stronger team. Where were all of these superior athletes from the CCIW you guys were supposed to have? I was wrong when I said Monmouth would have to play their best game of the year to win, this game was far from that for the Scots.  Now I am not saying we play poorly, but the facts are Mr. Yapsi this "lesser" team as you still refer to them on other boards came back from 17 down on the road. MC totally outplayed IWU from the end of the second quarter on. How yards did IWU give up in the 2nd half???? Another fact is that this game should have never went into OT, MC made a few mistakes too! You'll also say it was all Tanney but give the O-Line credit, how bout the way Yocum ran the ball down your vaunted defenses throat to win the game! I guess the bottom line is this call it for what it was, a great game by two equally matched teams that was decided by the team that made the fewer mistakes.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Kilts and Bagpipes on November 21, 2011, 09:27:34 AM
I agree Moncolfan.  I think if we played this game 10 times, Monmouth wins 7 of them.

I was a little worried that I was going to see Wartburg all over again.  Monmouth has a chance to put the game away, 1st and goal from the 5 or 10 and the back up QB goes into the game to run a "wildcat" like play.  I thought the reasoning against Wartburg was to put the ball in the best players hands.  Unless there was something going on with Tanney that I didn't know, every football person in the stadium probably would disagree with this call.  Backup QB fumbles and IWU takes over at the 5 yards line.  Monmouth was very lucky that the defense bailed them out.

That being said, I think that that the Monmouth play calling was great the rest of the game.  The Scots played a terrible first half and the offense really played with their hands around their neck in the first half.  Once they got the score to make it 17-7, I think they loosened up and really showed that they were the better team out there.  Good luck next week!  The Tommies are gonna be tough.  Get a win and really get some respect for this conference!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 21, 2011, 09:54:47 AM
Guess I'm not sure on how to use that quote button but my response is the one on the bottom. LOL
I just don't know how anyone could watch that game and call MC a lesser team. Clearly they were as good if not better than IWU. No team was significantly better than the other at anyone position that I saw except for QB, and that's not saying their kid was bad. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2011, 10:54:52 AM
When you use the quote button you have to be sure that your comments are typed outside of the last [/quote] of the comment you are quoting.  If you type your comments inside that they will appear as if they are a part of the comment you're quoting. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tommiegun on November 21, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USMN0664

The early weather report does not look super favorable for Tanney and Her Majesties' Scots Royal Air Brigade.  Have the Scots played in any "weather" games this season?  Has Tanney played in any weather games in his career?  Just wondering.

Personally, I hope its 50 and sunny; I'd like to see the best the Scots have to offer - beat the best to be the best.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2011, 11:13:35 AM
Thanks, T-Gun.  Have you ever been "down south" to tropical Illinois?  Plenty of opportunities for weather games.  In the meantime, hurry up and get that dome built over your field.  ;0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tommiegun on November 21, 2011, 11:38:24 AM
^ Ohhh, shhuuure, y'betcha I've been down south to Illinois.  Actually, I was in Champaign on a miserable day for the Gopher/Illini game last year.  I was just seriously wondering whether he has played in a cold/snow game in his career.  I seem to remember it being kind of cold when UST played at MC in 2009, and that Tanney had a pretty rough go of it...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 21, 2011, 11:58:50 AM
A rough second half, team-wise, for sure.  Here were Tanney's numbers that day:

Passing              Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Long Sack
-------------------------------------------------
Alex Tanney            51-35-0   361  2   45    3


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 21, 2011, 12:04:03 PM
Congrats to Monmouth and good luck this week!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 21, 2011, 01:00:10 PM
Difference in that playoff game a couple years back was a couple of three and outs in 2nd half and that the Tommies were able to run the ball at will in the 2nd half. Kept the ball out of Tanney's hands. MC just can't afford to get off to a poor start like last week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 22, 2011, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 19, 2011, 06:44:30 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 19, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
RoopVegas has set the over/under for scottie posts at 15. 6 for posts relating to why Monmouth had to play on the road as a Pool A.

TAKE THE UNDER!
  ;D  It's a non-issue at this point.  Besides, the trip to Bloomington cut about 200 miles off of my round trip, and I'd say that the Monmouth fans nearly equaled the IWU fans in number. Some excellent MinuteswithMaverick and the FS13 Grill deserved a blue ribbon.  But about the game.... 

Congrats to the good guys on a great gut-check win.  Two turnovers and a single-digit yard punt basically gift wrapped 10 of IWU's 17 first half points.  The Scots D pitched a nice shutout in the second half and the offense rolled up 320 yards (in the second half) on the 8th ranked defense.  (Kudos to kickers from both teams....perfect on PATs and FGs in that wind.)

The OT was intense, and credit the Scots D for holding IWU to a field goal on first and goal from the 6 yard line. Whew!!  Great day to be a Scot!

A little late with my response, but here goes...

scottie - The playoff version of "MinutesWithMaverick" as well as the playoff version of the "FS13 Grill" (among other grills in that area, I might add) were both of high quality; probably higher quality than 2 weeks ago at the Bronze Turkey Game, or at any other regular season game for that matter...but it's the playoffs so everyone has to step up their game! ;)

All that being said, congratulations to the Fighting Scots players, coaches, and everyone else associated with the program on a fantastic road playoff win!  The game was close throughout, both teams battled each other, and the fans on both sides were great. 

And I know there hasn't been a large number of Monmouth playoff games, but this Saturday's game at St. Thomas will be the first one I've had to miss (prior commitment >:() and I'm disappointed I won't be able to make the trip up to St. Paul.  Those of you who are going to be able to make it to the game, I'm jealous!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 23, 2011, 09:48:44 AM
A little help - just saw on the front page of D3 that the MC-UST game is at 1:00 but other games are still listed at 12:00.  I'm guessing that's 1:00 EST but wanted to make sure...

thanks - FS13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2011, 11:29:32 AM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 23, 2011, 09:48:44 AM
A little help - just saw on the front page of D3 that the MC-UST game is at 1:00 but other games are still listed at 12:00.  I'm guessing that's 1:00 EST but wanted to make sure...

thanks - FS13

Yes, all playoff games are at noon local time (which is 1 EST for St. Paul).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tommiegun on November 23, 2011, 12:04:42 PM
Time zones are a tricky concept. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 23, 2011, 01:38:04 PM
Very nice resume on the UST site for UST's Waldvogel.  Let's hope MC's punter and kicker can control his returns...I remember the 71 yarder against MC two years ago - it didn't go for a TD, but it was right after we scored to make it 20-14, and they punched it in four plays later.  We really didn't have an answer that day:  140 return yds, 96 receiving and another 18 rushing.
Good luck to the Scots on Saturday!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 24, 2011, 10:59:11 AM
Happy thanksgiving, you turkeys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 24, 2011, 10:52:59 PM
Well said there, scottie.  Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 25, 2011, 07:55:02 PM
My bracket had IWU beating St. Thomas.  Your guys sure screwed that up!  The least you can do for me is go ahead and beat the Tommies! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DustySJU on November 26, 2011, 08:14:00 AM
Good luck to the Scots today.

Play tough on D and score some points... could be an interesting day for all involved.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tommiegun on November 26, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
http://www.weather.com/weather/today/USMN0664

As I feared, it looks like another crappy day for football in St. Paul.  Good luck to the Scots; it will be a very Scottish kind of day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 26, 2011, 11:51:24 AM
I don't need no stinking motiviation...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4tIrjBDkk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4tIrjBDkk&feature=related)

Al Pacino's Inch By Inch speech from Any Given Sunday
In it's entirety...
http://essaysfromexodus.scripting.com/stories/storyreader$1492 (http://essaysfromexodus.scripting.com/stories/storyreader$1492)
...You find out that life is just a game of inches.
So is football.
Because in either game
life or football
the margin for error is so small.
I mean one half step too late or to early
you don't quite make it.
One half second too slow or too fast
and you don't quite catch it.
The inches we need are everywhere around us.
They are in ever break of the game
every minute, every second.

On this team, we fight for that inch
On this team, we tear ourselves, and everyone around us
to pieces for that inch.
We CLAW with our finger nails for that inch.
Cause we know when we add up all those inches
that's going to make the f@#$ing difference
between WINNING and LOSING
between LIVING and DYING.

I'll tell you this in any fight
it is the guy who is willing to die
who is going to win that inch.
And I know if I am going to have any life anymore
it is because, I am still willing to fight, and die for that inch
because that is what LIVING is.
The six inches in front of your face...

Weather has never scored a point in a football game. If you let it play for you, you lose.

Go Scots!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mwcfan on November 26, 2011, 12:10:05 PM
Good luck Scots!  Gonna take total effort and perfect execution.  At playoff time there's no tomorrow.  Leave nothing in the tank.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 26, 2011, 12:59:29 PM
Due to tech problems at UST, no video or audio apparently... Hope they can solve this for the viewers...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 26, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
live stats and audio are up now. 3-0 Monmouth following an INT.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 26, 2011, 01:13:06 PM
Gimme a break!!!!   >:(  No video OR audio??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 26, 2011, 01:15:40 PM
Scottie, Tracy throws an interception and Scots can't take it to the house, did convert a 23 yrd Field Goal. Scots up 3-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 26, 2011, 01:21:20 PM
I'm on the WRAM (Monmouth A.M.) web cast.  I thought the hearty Minnesotans could handle any weather problems and at least get a video stream out. 

"Developing"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 26, 2011, 01:59:43 PM
3:40 left in the 1st half. St. Thomas 10 Monmouth 3. Scots still looking for a 1st down.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 26, 2011, 02:04:17 PM
Following a 3rd Tommie turnover. Monmouth scores on 1st down 10-10. 2:20 in the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 26, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
Excellent!  Keep it up, Scots!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Scots4 on November 26, 2011, 02:15:50 PM

http://player.radio.com/player/RadioPlayer.php?version=1.2.12366&station=82


That is the UST radio link I am listening to. Crystal clear and no buffering.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 26, 2011, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: RedandPurple on November 26, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
A tale of two halves. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. ???

Quote from: RedandPurple on November 26, 2011, 03:05:12 PM
Deja vu all over again.  :P

Tried to think of what to say... different game yet words held the same thoughts...  No second half scoring against UST, again.

Hat's off to a Tommie's team that shut down our running game which limited our ability to get passing game going. Sounds like their big boys up front really pressured Tanney all day.

The Video failure by UST today was absolutely unexcuseable.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 27, 2011, 11:19:55 AM
This is a serious question, so don't make fun of me as easy as I'm making it!  Someone tried telling me yesterday that I had no idea how it felt to be Michigan having not beaten Ohio St. in seven years.  I told that person, "Well, actually, I do..." and then tried to explain the "rivalry" between IC and Monmouth.  I put rivalry in quotes because IC considers Monmouth their biggest rival, but Monmouth considers Knox their biggest rival.  So, my question is, as embarassing as the answer is...when is the last time IC beat Monmouth?  My guess is its around 1995, although I really don't know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 27, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on November 27, 2011, 11:19:55 AM
This is a serious question, so don't make fun of me as easy as I'm making it!  Someone tried telling me yesterday that I had no idea how it felt to be Michigan having not beaten Ohio St. in seven years.  I told that person, "Well, actually, I do..." and then tried to explain the "rivalry" between IC and Monmouth.  I put rivalry in quotes because IC considers Monmouth their biggest rival, but Monmouth considers Knox their biggest rival.  So, my question is, as embarassing as the answer is...when is the last time IC beat Monmouth?  My guess is its around 1995, although I really don't know.

You have to go back to 1996 (15 years) to a 16 - 14 setback by Fighting Scots to Blueboys. The Scots scored 587 points to IC's - 215 over the last fifteen years.

Scot's lead series 39-10-2. Not a rivalry yet... in our eyes.

On another matter... Should IC's coach get let go (for reasons other than )for first loss in playoffs, Zook is available after being fired at Illinois after season's collapse and loss to Minnesota.

Checked Coe and IIAC sites without success for 2012 schedules. If WMOI announcers of the game yesterday are correct, MC will meet Coe in the first game of the season. If confirmed, Scots and Kohawks will meet for the 75th time!

In Division III Football:

1. 126 games - Williams v Amherst (1881)
2. 125 games - Albion v Kalamazoo (1896)
3. 123 Meetings in the Battle for the Bronze Turkey - Monmouth v Knox (1888)
5. 121 games - Coe v Cornell College (1891)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 27, 2011, 06:26:33 PM
I'm not going to go into the "for reasons other than" much other than to say that other than the texting stuff, I still haven't heard ANYTHING about it other than cute phrases on this site.  Can I ask where you got the stats and head-to-head record stuff, FightnScot77?  Conference web page?  Wouldn't mind looking up how IC stacks up against some of the other teams in overall head to head.  I haven't been into the history of the conference much, just going back to when I played which was 98-O2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on November 27, 2011, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on November 27, 2011, 06:26:33 PM
I'm not going to go into the "for reasons other than" much other than to say that other than the texting stuff, I still haven't heard ANYTHING about it other than cute phrases on this site.  Can I ask where you got the stats and head-to-head record stuff, FightnScot77?  Conference web page?  Wouldn't mind looking up how IC stacks up against some of the other teams in overall head to head.  I haven't been into the history of the conference much, just going back to when I played which was 98-O2.

Conference schools head-to-head numbers have been available over at the Ripon's website  http://ripon.edu/athletics/football/records/rival.html (ftp://ripon.edu/athletics/football/records/rival.html). The SNC conference record is simply sick.

MWC all-time conference statistical information was last updated 1/2011; wouldn't be appropriate to accord link until posting of 2011 season numbers.


Speaking of things ahead...

Wouldn't be surprised to seeing discussions of Tanney #11 and Blodgett #17 uniform numbers being retired in short order!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 28, 2011, 09:11:40 AM
Not much to say about the game except congrats to the Tommies.  Heard a few what ifs and buts. from fellow MC fans but all of these things would have just added up to a closer game on the scoreboard but still a victory for UST.  You could also argue the opposite, without the UST turnovers they could have scored a couple of more times. UST is just a better team on both sides of the ball. Two things that I think the Scots could have done is tackle better and despite the great Tommie D MC should have moved the ball with a bit more consistency. A few first downs would have helped keep the Tommie O off the field. Still is no shame in losing to a team like that ,and sorry IWU fans you would have faired no better. Sorry too to ST. John Fischer but I just don't see you pulling the upset next week.  Finally congrats to the Scots on their MWC championship and exciting playoff win and good luck to the Tommies against Whitewater in two weeks. That game will be on TV won't it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 28, 2011, 09:47:59 AM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 28, 2011, 09:11:40 AM
Finally congrats to the Scots on their MWC championship and exciting playoff win and good luck to the Tommies against Whitewater in two weeks. That game will be on TV won't it?

All Whitewater home games are produced by UWW TV on many cable systems in south/central WI and some in northern IL & streamed online. Links are on the UWW football website and are sure to be on D3football.com the week of the game, should both teams continue to win. Regardless who is playing, the NCAA has made the video available for all semi-final games the past couple seasons by streaming it online.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 28, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Sorry wnc52 - if you talk with many MC fans, I think you would find that the MC-St. Norbert games have become more rivalry-like than any other (at least in the last 5-6 years).  As 77 said, IC isn't a big rivalry game for us yet, and the Knox games haven't been close for a decade.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 28, 2011, 02:16:16 PM
In the pre-"Trademark Bowl" era. Monmouth had a 29-21-1 record vs. Beloit. Modern era stats currently show Monmouth with a 1-0 advantage*.

*scottiesighting mojo aided at that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 28, 2011, 02:40:36 PM
Scottie's first rule of order is: Beat Beloit!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 28, 2011, 03:15:56 PM
Before it gets too far into the past, I just wanted to take a minute to congratulate the Monmouth College Football Program on several things during another great season!  Another undefeated run through the MWC to win the conference and qualify for the playoffs (3rd time in 4 years for both of those), getting to 10 wins after a thrilling triple overtime win on the road in the playoffs, advancing to the second round of the playoffs (just the 2nd time in school history), Coach Bell on earning MWC Coach of the Year honors, and all the players who received All-MWC awards.  Get after it in the off-season and I know we'll all be looking forward to next year's version of Fighting Scots Football.  It's great to be a Scot! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 28, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
FightnScot77 - I have also heard the rumors of a Monmouth vs. Coe match-up to open the 2012 season.  I love the way we've scheduled quality non-conference opponents recently and it seems to have paid off overall.  Hopefully the rumors turn out to be the truth...a Scots vs. Kohawks game would be great to see and great for both programs!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 28, 2011, 11:56:23 PM
Quote

Sorry wnc52 - if you talk with many MC fans, I think you would find that the MC-St. Norbert games have become more rivalry-like than any other (at least in the last 5-6 years).  As 77 said, IC isn't a big rivalry game for us yet, and the Knox games haven't been close for a decade.

No need to apologize, fightingscots.  I said in my original post there was a reason I put the word "rivalry" in quotes.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 29, 2011, 04:40:57 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 28, 2011, 02:40:36 PM
Scottie's first rule of order is: Beat Beloit!

Sounds like more of a rivalry than Monmouth-IC to me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Moncolfan on November 30, 2011, 02:25:36 PM
If I am not mistaken IC has never beat MC since Coach Bell has been there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FightnScot77 on December 01, 2011, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 30, 2011, 02:25:36 PM
If I am not mistaken IC has never beat MC since Coach Bell has been there.

Moncolfan, no doubt: Coach Bell: Eight Twelve seasons; Blue Boys: -15 years against the Scots.

Non-Conference match-up with Coe brings the likelyhood to a home game for the Scot's. Otherwise Scots regular season will consist of six away games...

How do the Scots do out of the gate in 2112...

MC's 2012 first half of season:
WEEK 1-   9/1/12   Monmouth vs Non-conference
WEEK 2-   9/8/12   Monmouth @ Beloit
WEEK 3-   9/15/12 Monmouth- Bye 
WEEK 4-   9/22/12 Monmouth @ Cornell 
WEEK 5-   9/29/12 St. Norbert

Away games for the Scots: Beloit, Cornell (by the way; welcome back to MWC), Grinnell, Lawrence, and Ripon.

Home games of St. Norbert, Lake Forest, Illinois, and Knox. These teams believe they can compete and will be looking to do some gate-crashing to a conference championship.

Carroll U, we'll miss your tail-gating in 2012, may see in 2013 or 2014?

Hibernation appears apparent for now, awaiting August, 2012...

FWIW: 26 points going into this weeks D3photography.com bracket playoffs. I fell from grace as one of the four first-place position (yes, a perfect score) in week one! My mistake of many, the wrong picks on last minute wins going the other way...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 02, 2011, 03:58:33 PM
Hibernation for alot of MWC posters is definitely right around the corner.  I would be surprised to see the board turn over 2 pages in the next 8 months.  For those who are interested between now and then, head on over to the MWC basketball board...that keeps some of us occupied for awhile at least. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 07, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Congrats to Alex for making the final four.  Go MWC!

http://d3football.com/notables/2011/12/gagliardi-finalists
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 07, 2011, 02:44:15 PM
You beat me to it, scottie.  Congrats to Alex Tanney on being a finalist for the second time in his career!

Also, congrats to the 4 Fighting Scots who were named to the D3Football.com All-West Region Team: Alex Tanney (1st Team QB), James Allen (1st Team OL), Mike Blodgett (2nd Team WR), and Trey Yocum (3rd Team RB).  Link: http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-region/2011/d3football-all-west-region-2011.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 07, 2011, 03:49:45 PM
And let's not forget Luke Butts, Lake Forest, 3rd team Safety.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on December 07, 2011, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: FightnScot77 on December 01, 2011, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Moncolfan on November 30, 2011, 02:25:36 PM
If I am not mistaken IC has never beat MC since Coach Bell has been there.

Moncolfan, no doubt: Coach Bell: Eight Twelve seasons; Blue Boys: -15 years against the Scots.

Non-Conference match-up with Coe brings the likelyhood to a home game for the Scot's. Otherwise Scots regular season will consist of six away games...

How do the Scots do out of the gate in 2112...

MC's 2012 first half of season:
WEEK 1-   9/1/12   Monmouth vs Non-conference
WEEK 2-   9/8/12   Monmouth @ Beloit
WEEK 3-   9/15/12 Monmouth- Bye 
WEEK 4-   9/22/12 Monmouth @ Cornell 
WEEK 5-   9/29/12 St. Norbert

Away games for the Scots: Beloit, Cornell (by the way; welcome back to MWC), Grinnell, Lawrence, and Ripon.

Home games of St. Norbert, Lake Forest, Illinois, and Knox. These teams believe they can compete and will be looking to do some gate-crashing to a conference championship.

Carroll U, we'll miss your tail-gating in 2012, may see in 2013 or 2014?

Hibernation appears apparent for now, awaiting August, 2012...

FWIW: 26 points going into this weeks D3photography.com bracket playoffs. I fell from grace as one of the four first-place position (yes, a perfect score) in week one! My mistake of many, the wrong picks on last minute wins going the other way...

Thanks for the welcome back!

Congratulations to Alex Tanney on making the top four!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on December 14, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
With things slowing down on here as the cold winter sets upon us, I figured I should follow my Rams of Cornell and make the jump to the Midwest boards.  I haven't followed the MWC very closely so I'm anxious to catch up and get my fill. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on December 16, 2011, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: OhIowa on December 14, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
With things slowing down on here as the cold winter sets upon us, I figured I should follow my Rams of Cornell and make the jump to the Midwest boards.  I haven't followed the MWC very closely so I'm anxious to catch up and get my fill.

There is more life on here than there use to be a few years ago. I would certainly think that with two MWC teams making the playoffs this season that fans would be pretty excited for the conference. I know it made me feel pretty good about Cornell moving to the conference!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 16, 2011, 11:02:53 AM
Two MWC teams made the playoffs this fall, and neither one was SNC.  (Things that make you go "hmmmm.")

The "new look" Scots (Are there anymore Tanney brothers? Nephews? Cousins?) go old school MWC next season with an opener against Coe. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 16, 2011, 11:16:04 AM
I predict that the "new look" 2012 Monmouth Scots will be "locked and loaded".  Lots of real talent on campus and more coming in--watch out Coe and MWC teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 16, 2011, 01:00:43 PM
This is already more chatter on the board in the past couple weeks than what I expected for the next couple months...keep it up guys! 8-)  After a fun 2011 season for the Scots, I'm already looking forward to following them again in the 2012 season.  It will certainly be a "new look" team with players graduating, but there are still plenty of starters returning along with alot of up and coming talent in the program.  And getting to match up with both Coe and Cornell for the first time since 1997 will be great too!
Title: !!
Post by: FightnScot77 on December 16, 2011, 06:17:02 PM
 :) ;D Congratulations to Alex Tanney on being named 2nd Team ALL-AMERICAN!!!  :) :D

Great recognition and congrat's to James Allen, 3rd Team All-America and to Mike Blodgett, Honorable Mention!

Well deserved!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 20, 2011, 03:10:10 PM
any reason why poole is leaving beloit....will there be a change in offenses?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 21, 2011, 05:24:23 AM
Could be because the Head Coach has been applying/interviewing at other schools.  Maybe a complete change?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on December 21, 2011, 10:15:56 AM
Really? Where?

Then they should can him and hire Jeremy Warren! Get a Beloit man in charge of this thing!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 24, 2011, 05:30:27 AM
We at Lake Forest got an early Christmas present.  They appointed Coach Cat to Head coach (he was interim).

http://www.goforesters.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20111219wqieg3

Merry Xmas to all of the posters here.  Even you Mon Fan!
8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 30, 2011, 03:37:25 PM
HELLO! (helloooo, helloooo.....)  ECHO! (echooooo.....echooooo.....)

An interesting match-up to watch:  Houston's QB vs. the Penn State defense.  Keenum needs 5 TDs, I believe, to tie Tanney's record. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 03, 2012, 01:18:57 AM
Keenum throws 69 times but "only" has 3 touchdown passes.  Perhaps Pat will confirm the official tally and recognize on the big board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2012, 11:43:21 AM
We recognized on Twitter yesterday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 03, 2012, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2012, 11:43:21 AM
We recognized on Twitter yesterday.

What's Twitter?  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 03, 2012, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: scottie on January 03, 2012, 01:18:57 AM
Keenum throws 69 times but "only" has 3 touchdown passes.  Perhaps Pat will confirm the official tally and recognize on the big board.

Also threw for "only" 500 yards.  Yawn, what a pedestrian day. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on January 08, 2012, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: rome on December 21, 2011, 10:15:56 AM
Really? Where?

Then they should can him and hire Jeremy Warren! Get a Beloit man in charge of this thing!

Brann hasn't stayed anywhere particularly long. That's neither good nor bad, just a fact. I haven't heard anything as to a complete house cleaning at Beloit so this is likely just probability running it's course.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on January 09, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
Roop-

I am not thrilled where we are at now...with Coach Ed...you had an identify and Beloit would challenge the top teams in the conference....

The talk with the new coach was he was a recruiter....
where are the numbers???...
Beloit needs to demand more!

Examples:
See St. Norberts: Coach Purtill
See MC: Coach Bell

The right guy makes a BIG difference!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on January 10, 2012, 03:30:13 PM
Too many variables involved that I don't know what question to ask the grapevine first. All departments at Beloit are pretty much under review at the moment so we will just have to take a wait and see stance.
Title: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcalum on January 21, 2012, 06:24:35 PM
With Tanney and Blodgett gone, how will the Fighting Scots supplement Yocum?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 24, 2012, 09:41:13 AM
R - E - L - O - A - D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 01, 2012, 12:33:05 PM
Carrier and Tanney will be representing the MWC in the Players All-Star Classic this Saturday.

http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2012/2/1/GEN_0201122333.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on February 02, 2012, 05:15:51 PM
Some QB draft info from http://www.optimumscouting.com/rankings/static/quarterback-rankings.html

Kinda cool!

Name - College - Height - Weight - Proj. Round
1 . Andrew Luck - Stanford - 6'4 - 235 - Top 2 (Scouting Report)
2 . Robert Griffin III - Baylor - 6'2 - 220 - Top 10 (Scouting Report)
3 . Brandon Weeden - Oklahoma State - 6'4 - 218 - 2nd-3rd (Scouting Report)
4 . Ryan Tannehill - Texas A&M - 6'4 - 222 - 1st-2nd (Scouting Report)
5 . Kirk Cousins - Michigan State - 6'3 - 205 - 2nd-3rd
6 . Brock Osweiler - Arizona State - 6'8 - 235 - 2nd-3rd
7 . Nick Foles - Arizona - 6'5 - 245 - 2nd-3rd
8 . BJ Coleman - Chattanooga - 6'5 - 220 - 5th-7th
9 . Kellen Moore - Boise State - 6'0 - 191 - 3rd-5th
10 . Ryan Lindley - San Diego State - 6'4 - 220 - 5th-7th
11 . Russell Wilson - Wisconsin - 5'11 - 198 - 6th-Undrafted
12 . Austen Davis - Southern Miss - 6'3 - 215 - 6th-Undrafted
13 . Chandler Harnish - Northern Illinois - 6'2 - 221 - 6th-Undrafted
14 . Aaron Corp - Richmond - 6'3 - 210 - 6th-Undrafted
15 . Alex Tanney - Monmouth (IL) - 6'4 - 220 - 6th-Undrafted
16 . GJ Kinne - Tulsa - 6'2 - 234 - 6th-Undrafted
17 . David LeGree - Hampton - 6'2 - 215 - 6th-Undrafted
18 . Case Keenum - Houston - 6'2 - 210 - 6th-Undrafted
19 . Chris Lum - Lehigh - 6'2 - 210 - 6th-Undrafted
20 . Dominique Davis - East Carolina - 6'3 - 222 - 6th-Undrafted
21 . Jacory Harris - Miami (FL) - 6'4 - 195 - 6th-Undrafted
22 . John Brantley - Florida - 6'3 - 210 - 6th-Undrafted
23 . Patrick Witt - Yale - 6'2 - 210 - 6th-Undrafted
24 . Dan Persa - Northwestern - 5'11 - 220 - 6th-Undrafted
25 . Tyler Hansen - Colorado - 6'2 - 215 - 6th-Undrafted
26 . Wesey Carroll - Florida International - 6'1 - 202 - 6th-Undrafted

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 05, 2012, 03:02:34 PM
I didn't get to see the game because I had to work and don't get any of those channels anyway. I checked the Beloit website but since it only contains akademik stuff, so there was no mention of the game performances. Tanney has the better chance of getting drafted than does Carrier as teams always look for QBs first. However, in my opinion, Carrier has the better chance of making an NFL roster as teams need more WRs than QBs.

Since Green Bay is likely to throw Donald Driver under the bus and not resign him, I say offer Carrier an invite to camp and he'll make the team as an undrafted free agent. That will give The Roop a 3rd party connection to free tickets; which is all that matters.

Having seen him play I like Tanney obviously. I just don't know if his first step is quick enough to avoid the pass rush at the next level. The arm is there, the accuracy is there but I'm not sure if the ability to get out of the way is there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on February 06, 2012, 02:42:42 PM
Forget the quick first step!  Give him a clipboard for about 10 years.   :)

NFL Minimum Salaries For 2008-2011 Seasons

# of  Seasons 2008 2009 2010 2011

0 $295,000 $310,000 $325,000 $355,000
1 $370,000 $385,000 $400,000 $415,000
2 $445,000 $460,000 $475,000 $490,000
3 $520,000 $535,000 $550,000 $565,000
4-6 $605,000 $620,000 $635,000 $650,000
7-9 $730,000 $745,000 $760,000 $775,000
10+ $830,000 $845,000 $860,000 $875,000

Cite: http://proathletesonly.com/news/front-office/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2008-2012-seasons/ (February 11th, 2008)
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Rookie_minimum_NFL_sallary#ixzz1ldGca1qL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 01, 2012, 10:12:01 AM
Lake Forest 2012 schedule:

http://goforesters.com/sports/fball/2012-13/schedule
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on March 01, 2012, 10:56:29 AM
Carroll 2012 season:

http://athletics.carrollu.edu/news/detail.asp?newsid=3685&teamid=392
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on March 09, 2012, 08:38:41 PM
Anybody got any news on how Alex Tanney's pro day went at Northwestern?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 91mc49 on March 11, 2012, 08:31:04 AM
I just read this the other day

http://blogs.monm.edu/tanney/ (http://blogs.monm.edu/tanney/)

so it looks like he has yet to work out for the pro teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Woodsy76 on March 11, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
Quote from: 91mc49 on March 11, 2012, 08:31:04 AM
I just read this the other day

http://blogs.monm.edu/tanney/ (http://blogs.monm.edu/tanney/)

so it looks like he has yet to work out for the pro teams.

Yeah I saw that but he worked out supposedly at Northwestern in front of some pro teams per his Twitter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Shoreman on April 15, 2012, 06:26:11 AM
Sewanee looking for a game to fill out season
www.footballscoop.com
University of the South: The University of the South located in Sewanee, TN is looking for a game this upcoming season (home or away) on either Sept. 29 or November 10 in 2012. Also, we need two games in 2013 on September 7 and 14. Please contact Head Coach, Tommy Laurendine at 931-598-1593 or by email at tolauren@sewanee.edu.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 25, 2012, 01:19:12 AM
Draft experts anticipate Beloit Colleges Derek Carrier to go in the 6th or 7th round. I guess we will find out soon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on April 28, 2012, 10:59:12 PM
Carrier went undrafted but has signed a free agent deal with the Raiders.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on May 04, 2012, 08:34:42 PM
Tanney (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/05/04/alex.tanney.bills.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a16&eref=sihp) in SI.com story from 4 May.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 06, 2012, 01:38:31 AM
It's the off season and a slow news day if a DIII QB gets mentioned in SI. Do I hope that Monmouths Tanney makes the Bills roster ?? Absolutely. Do I think it will happen ?? Well, the AFC East is the MWC (top heavy) of the NFL so you never know. 13.8% chance by RoopVegas odds.

Having seen him play, prior to injury, his mobility was an issue even then. After injury it didn't improve. He's a holder for P.A.T.s at the NFL level. No disrespect intended but this is a different game now. He also needs to "look off" primary receivers.

As for Beloit College's Derek Carrier, I think he has a better chance. The numbers are in his favor. Teams need more wide receivers than they do QBs. Still, he's a project. Alligator arms and running out of bounds in his senior season kept him from being drafted but the physical skills for the next level are there.

I guess we will see come September.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on May 06, 2012, 07:53:00 PM
Running out of bounds?  He must have played for Monmouth! lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 16, 2012, 01:58:33 PM
F-dad's catchy new slogan, painted this spring on the walls of the LFC locker room....    :-X

S T A Y   I N   B O U N D S . . .   F I N I S H   3 - 7 . . .   L A U G H   A T   Y O U R   O P P O N E N T ! ! !
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 16, 2012, 06:48:48 PM
I'm relocating to the Beloit area by months end scottie, so I will no doubt run into the ol Gunny.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on May 16, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
How would you run into me in the Beloit area?  It's far enough for me to go to Chicago!

LOL

Just passing the off season by.  Trying to get a chuckle.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 23, 2012, 04:01:08 PM
Lake Forest will play in Beloit soon enough, that's when I'll run into you.

With that being said, my move is Sunday and am not sure when I will have internet again. So until next time. This is The Roop, signing off.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on June 05, 2012, 11:06:58 AM
Kansas City has some goooood barbeque!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on June 05, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Well said scottie!  Congrats to Alex Tanney! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: dlippiel on June 06, 2012, 02:31:09 PM
Congrats to Alex Tanney on his rookie contract with the Chiefs! Absolutely fantastic! dlip is wishing him all the luck in the world!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on June 08, 2012, 10:24:10 PM
I also need to give props to the Monmouth College Sports Information Department on the new-look Fighting Scots Athletics website...it looks great! 8-) 

Link: www.monmouthscots.com
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on June 16, 2012, 10:18:02 AM
What is the word for Beloit this year?

Really disappointed with the new HC...
No alumni reach-out
No real ID for this program moving forward
Rumors that he is shopping himself out for his next move

Maybe I am wrong but it seems that the college needs to take a long look at this situation...maybe should reach out to Denny D. (fr. OC for BC at the end of the Eddy D. era)

Something has to change....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on June 22, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
If Tanney's pro experience mirrors his college experience, he will have a great career but he will never beat my favorite team. (In the case of the pros this is the Denver Broncos.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on June 25, 2012, 11:04:31 PM
Quote from: warthog on June 22, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
If Tanney's pro experience mirrors his college experience, he will have a great career but he will never beat my favorite team. (In the case of the pros this is the Denver Broncos.)

It's very simple...Tanney never beat your favorite team because he never played a game against the Central Dutch during his college career. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on June 26, 2012, 02:48:37 AM
Quote from: Maverick on June 25, 2012, 11:04:31 PM
Quote from: warthog on June 22, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
If Tanney's pro experience mirrors his college experience, he will have a great career but he will never beat my favorite team. (In the case of the pros this is the Denver Broncos.)

It's very simple...Tanney never beat your favorite team because he never played a game against the Central Dutch during his college career. ;)

? ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on June 26, 2012, 10:03:19 AM
The Central Dutch is everyone's favorite team aren't they?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on June 29, 2012, 11:08:27 PM
Congrats to Monmouth RB Trey Yocum on being named a Pre-Season All-American!

Link: http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2012/6/26/FB_0626123355.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 02, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
Welcome back to the Midwest Conference Cornell!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballdaddy on July 03, 2012, 01:33:00 PM
Quote from: Maverick on June 25, 2012, 11:04:31 PM
Quote from: warthog on June 22, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
If Tanney's pro experience mirrors his college experience, he will have a great career but he will never beat my favorite team. (In the case of the pros this is the Denver Broncos.)

It's very simple...Tanney never beat your favorite team because he never played a game against the Central Dutch during his college career. ;)

To add to may old friend Warthog's perspective: Two NFL prospects (Tanney and Zweifel) just happen to career 0fer's against Wartburg. Hoping they find the competition more to their liking in The League. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 04, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 02, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
Welcome back to the Midwest Conference Cornell!

Hey thanks!   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballdaddy on July 04, 2012, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 04, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 02, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
Welcome back to the Midwest Conference Cornell!

Hey thanks!   :)

Sorry, the IIAC is keeping Heys. It was part of the compensation package!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 05, 2012, 11:58:14 AM
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on July 09, 2012, 04:26:34 PM
Quote from: footballdaddy on July 04, 2012, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 04, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 02, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
Welcome back to the Midwest Conference Cornell!

Hey thanks!   :)

Sorry, the IIAC is keeping Heys. It was part of the compensation package!
His contract stipulates that his carne asade trafficking business must move to the MWC.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballdaddy on July 10, 2012, 09:43:21 AM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on July 09, 2012, 04:26:34 PM
Quote from: footballdaddy on July 04, 2012, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 04, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 02, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
Welcome back to the Midwest Conference Cornell!

Hey thanks!   :)

Sorry, the IIAC is keeping Heys. It was part of the compensation package!
His contract stipulates that his carne asade trafficking business must move to the MWC.  ;)

Now that is quite the conundrum. Heys or the carne asada? Going to need to take some time on this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 10, 2012, 04:06:16 PM
Quote from: footballdaddy on July 10, 2012, 09:43:21 AM

Now that is quite the conundrum. Heys or the carne asada? Going to need to take some time on this one.

Think that one over real carefully...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 10, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 10, 2012, 04:06:16 PM
Quote from: footballdaddy on July 10, 2012, 09:43:21 AM

Now that is quite the conundrum. Heys or the carne asada? Going to need to take some time on this one.

Think that one over real carefully...

Does the MWC even know what carne asada is?   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 11, 2012, 06:31:45 AM
One thing I found interesting was the Mexican population of the Chicago area when we first visited Lake Forest.  This was the first visit there for me since 1968 (another story).  I think I read later that it's the 4th highest city in the country or something like that?????

So yes, they know what it is.  lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 11, 2012, 01:54:01 PM
Um, F-Dad, Chicago is the 3rd largest city in the country.  (In 1968, it was the 2nd largest city in the country....another story.) Hence, Chicago is probably listed among the Xnd/rd/th "highest"  in most categories. 

C'mon, stay focused. Don't let the IIAC residue bring you down.   ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 11, 2012, 08:01:02 PM
Now Scottie,

I'm from New England, the Northeast.  We have some very big cities here.  But nowhere near the Mexican percentage/population as Chicago.  New York, Conn, etc, you don't find much of a Mexican population.  And please explain the IIAC residue.  I'm only a high school grad.  Lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 12, 2012, 02:04:44 PM
Hey, The Roop..... Latch on to some illegal wifi somewhere.  This is getting painful.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 13, 2012, 01:14:05 AM
Quote from: scottie on July 11, 2012, 01:54:01 PM
C'mon, stay focused. Don't let the IIAC residue bring you down.

Thus spake a member of the "mighty" MWC...  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 13, 2012, 01:35:52 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 11, 2012, 06:31:45 AM
So yes, they know what it is.  lol.

While have no doubt you know what it is...My question was more rhetorical.  I can get BBQ here in San Diego, maybe even from a guy who used to live in Kansas City.  But can I really "get" BBQ in San Diego?  Transplanted native dishes just don't have the same impact as getting it at the source.  I have respect for the folks that have migrated to your area and brought some new cultural experiences...but there's more to it than that...it's the ingredients and where they come from.

So unless you have an Eddie's Carniceria - explanation not needed because you just know once you eat the C.A. from there - can you really "know"?

Once you sample this exclusive example of perfection on a tortilla right off the grill with cebollas and cilantro, lime, and La Constena Green Sauce you will know two things:  1) That you really didn't know Carne Asada before; and 2) That now you do.     ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 13, 2012, 07:08:58 AM
Actually was stationed in Southern California for 6 years (at different times) while in the Marines.  I know what real carne asada is.  lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 13, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 13, 2012, 07:08:58 AM
Actually was stationed in Southern California for 6 years (at different times) while in the Marines.  I know what real carne asada is.  lol.

Is fulbakdad on the right or the left???

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2F14%2F%21B6y5m%21Q%21Wk%7E%24%2528KGrHqEOKpwEy%2BjC0Lj%2BBMyb4bZHpQ%7E%7E-1_35.JPG&hash=7b3fecd4c34095095f1161b51fe368fce8600920)

fulbakdad to the poor sap that serves him bad carne asada..."You are the sorriest excuse, of all the sorriest excuses that has ever served me carne asada...now drop and give me 20"

I kid, I kid.  I'm ready for the season to start.  I'm curious to see how Cornell fairs in their return home to the MWC. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 13, 2012, 09:25:44 AM
We are wondering too Doolittle.  Should be interesting.

Can't wait for the season to start.  They start practices in a month.

Does Cornell broadcast thier home games on the internet?  Last year, all of the games Lake Forest played were.  It gets expensive flying to Chitown for a football game. lol.  But we try to get to as many as we can afford.  Cramming in overtime now trying to get a cushion.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 15, 2012, 03:11:23 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 13, 2012, 09:25:44 AM
Does Cornell broadcast thier home games on the internet?  Last year, all of the games Lake Forest played were.  It gets expensive flying to Chitown for a football game. lol.  But we try to get to as many as we can afford.  Cramming in overtime now trying to get a cushion.

Cornell does have webcasts of their games.  Link to www.cornellrams.com...click on the Live Webcast button.  The quality is hit or miss...unlike Dubuque's and Wartburg's both of which do a good job on their game webcasts.  (sigh)   :'(

Sorry a brief moment of lament...that's all done now.  Go MWC!  Go Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 15, 2012, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 13, 2012, 07:08:58 AM
Actually was stationed in Southern California for 6 years (at different times) while in the Marines.  I know what real carne asada is.  lol.

Would I presume correctly that you were at Pendleton?  I'm in O-side.   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 16, 2012, 07:04:56 AM
Pendleton, 29 Palms, and MCRD San Diego.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on July 18, 2012, 03:39:50 PM
I'm on vacation this week, so I took some time to research each of the 11 MWC teams -- schedules, who graduated/returns, coaching changes, etc.  It's early, but I took a stab at making some projections.  This certainly isn't meant to be professional media guide or scouting report on all of the teams, just a fun, preseason exercise.  Please feel free to let me know if there are mistakes and where you agree/disagree.


Beloit
    2011 Season:  2-8 (2-7)
   Do not play Lake Forest.  Play Chicago in non-conference.
   Two new coordinators
   Lost Carrier (1st team All-conference), RB Stewart (2nd team), and QB Maughn, DB Salucci (2nd team)
   Carrier set all-time marks for catches (189), yards (3,111) and touchdowns (29).  Steward led the Buccaneers in rushing with 681 yards while scoring a team-best five touchdowns on the ground.  Salucci was second on the team in tackles with 73, including a team-high 51 solo, while tying for the team lead with three interceptions.
   During 2011, Buccaneers scored 24.6 points/game, while giving up 35.4.  Bucs gave up 210 yards of rushing/game.
   Dillion Hess (Sr.), who saw limited action at QB last year, may be in line for starting job.  Big kid – 6'4".  Will need to replace weapons around him.  Defense will also need big upgrades.

   Projection:  Could struggle big time on both sides of the ball. 

Carroll
   2011 Season:  7-3 (6-3)
   Do not play Monmouth.
   Graduated Dziewit, Linebacker, Defensive Player of the Year
   Also graduated, Beckstrand, 1st team All Conference Running back
   During 2011, Pioneers scored 30 points/game and gave up 24.5.
   Return two young QBs with game experience:  Ryan Young (Jr.) and Justin Butterfield (Soph).

   Projection: Pretty favorable schedule. Could contend for a conference title. 

Cornell
   2011 Season:  3-7 (1-7)** in IIAC
   Do not play Ripon.  Play Coe in non-conference
   Head coach is Vince Brautigam who is entering his 3rd season.  He turned around Dubuque's program prior to taking job at Cornell.  Last year's 3-7 record was the best for Cornell since 2003.
   Will return a 2nd team All-Conference corner in sophomore Myron Seabrook.
   In total, 16 starters are set to return including QB and leading rusher, Juan Flores (5'9" Jr.), and leading WR James Scully (6'5" JR). 
   In 2011, Rams scored only 15.7 points/game while allowing 38.3.  They turned it over 29 times.
   Program has announced an incoming class of 37 new players.

   Projection:  Big question mark.  Will have to score to compete with MWC's passing first teams.  Look to have solid coaching staff and nucleus of returning players. 

Grinnell
  2011 Season:  5-5 (4-5)
   Does not play Knox.  Plays Carleton in non-conference.
   Lost All Conference WRs Robert Seer and Robert Granera
   In 2011, Pioneers scored 27.3 points/game but gave up 31.9.
   Averaged only 70 yards on the ground per game
   Will return SR. QB Mike McCabe but need to add weapons around him.

   Outlook:  May take a step back. 

Illinois College
  2011 Season:  9-2 (8-1) Lost to Wabash in first round of Division III playoffs
   Does not play St. Norbert.  Plays Hanover in non-conference.
   Ranked 13th in Lindy's College Football Preview
   Return all starters from nation's 8th ranked offense except WR Brock Thompson
   In 2011, Blue Boys scored 42.8 points/game, while allowing 35.8.
   Defense was very susceptible to giving up yards, especially through the air.  Will have to replace some pieces from the defense including All Conference pick, safety Eric Fisher.

   Projection:   Offense should be dynamic again.  Should challenge for title. 

Knox
  2011 Season:  0-10 (0-9)
   Does not play Grinnell.  Plays Eureka in non-conference.
   Return preseason All American LB, Mike Hendrick, along with 3 other All MWC players from last year
   In 2011, Prairie Fire scored 21.5 points/game, while allowing a whopping 39.9.  Knox threw for only 160 yards per game.
   QB Drew Diaz returns for another year.

   Projection:  May be battling with Beloit to stay out of the MWC's basement again. 

Lake Forest
  2011 Season:  3-7 (3-6)
   Does not play Beloit.
   Jim Catanzaro, interim coach since the spring of 2009, was been named head coach during off-season.
   Lost senior leaders, WR Kevin Davis and Safety Luke Butts.
   Return 2nd team All Conference, QB Pete Scaffidi.  He threw for over 2,900 yards and 31 TDs last year.
   He will have some returning weapons in RB Al Mitchell and WR Austin Sobey.
   In 2011, Forresters scored 33.2 points/game but allowed 40.2. 
   Must improve rush D.  Lake Forest gave up nearly 200 yards on the ground/game last year.

   Outlook:  Look to make jump into conference's upper echelon. 

Lawrence
  2011 Season:  1-9 (1-8)
   Plays St. Norbert, but does not count as conference game for Lawrence.
   Mike Barthelmess promoted from offensive coordinator to head coach, taking over for Chris Howard who went 19-50 in his 7 seasons.
   In 2011, Vikings scored 23.1 points/game, while allowing way too many – 42.6.  They gave up 230 yards per game on the ground and had a talented but one-dimensional, pass only offense.
   Return talented QB Luke Barthelmess and WR Tyler Mazur.

   Projection:  Will need to shore up defense, but should have some offensive fire to be competitive.

Monmouth 
  2011 Season:  10-2 (9-0) Lost to St. Thomas in 2nd round of Division III playoffs
   Does not play Carroll.  Plays Coe in non-conference.
   Scots lose All-American QB, Alex Tanney, but should have a very capable replacement in Brit Wedekind.  As a sophomore, he completed 54% of his passes and threw for 160 yard/game, filling in for the injured All-American.
   In 2011, Scots scored an incredible 53.6 points/game, while the defense gave up 28.3.  Scots had a very potent passing game, but still ran for 220 yards/game, including Trey Yocum's 120 yards/game.  Defense forced 31 turnovers.
   Scots lost a lot of all conference performers on both sides of the ball.  Preston Lumzy, an all conference honoree as a freshman, will have to step up at his linebacker position

   Projection:  Should reload again to contend for another title/playoff berth.

Ripon
  2011 Season:  6-4 (5-4)
   Does not play Cornell.  Plays Wisconsin Lutheran in non-conference.
   In 2011, Redhawks scored 30.1 points/game, while giving up 25.8.  Ripon rushed for 337 yards /game and only turned the ball over 13 times.
   Graduated TJ Pierce, team's leading RB, and QB Matt Miller.  They accounted for 9 and 13 TD's, respectively. 
   Ripon does return fantastic kicker, preseason All American, Jacob Gahart.

   Outlook:  Special teams are important, but not promising when the kicker is the team's MVP.  May be a rebuilding year.

St. Norbert
2011   son:  7-3 (7-2)
   Does not play Illinois College.  Plays John Carroll in Ireland on August 31.
   Returns Joe Green, SR WR, who had 11 receiving TD's last year.
   Junior linebacker Adam Nitsche and junior defensive back Josh Vanden Heuvel were second-team selections.
   In 2011, Green Knights scored 28.3 points/game.  They had the league's best scoring defense, allowing only 16.1 points per game.  Run D only gave up 76 yards/game.
   Craig Fagan, the top running back last year, returns.
   Mike Fabrizio QB graduated as did back-up Kevin Hansen.  Could have questions at QB.  May need to rely heavily on D again.

   Projection:  How does offense perform?  Hard for D to bring it every week in pass happy MWC.

Projected Standings
Carroll 8-1 (9-1)
Illinois College 8-1 (9-1)
Monmouth 8-1 (8-2)
St. Norbert 7-2 (7-3)
Lake Forest 6-3 (7-3)
Ripon 4-5 (4-6)
Cornell 3-6 (3-7)
Lawrence 3-6 (3-7)
Grinnell 2-7 (3-7)
Knox 1-8 (2-8)
Beloit 0-9 (0-10)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 18, 2012, 07:03:43 PM
I have a weird scenario that was brought up on a high school sports message board in Wisconsin for a high school conference but it could theoretically happen in the MWC. Say St. Norbert goes undefeated and Lawrence wins all of their games except St. Norbert. They both would finish 9-0. How would a tiebreaker work? St. Norbert went 1-0 against Lawrence but technically for conference games Lawrence didn't play St. Norbert.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 19, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on July 18, 2012, 07:03:43 PM
I have a weird scenario that was brought up on a high school sports message board in Wisconsin for a high school conference but it could theoretically happen in the MWC. Say St. Norbert goes undefeated and Lawrence wins all of their games except St. Norbert. They both would finish 9-0. How would a tiebreaker work? St. Norbert went 1-0 against Lawrence but technically for conference games Lawrence didn't play St. Norbert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOHbxBAEN8
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 22, 2012, 05:50:49 PM
3 Weeks till camp.  Not looking forward to the Chicago drive!

lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 24, 2012, 01:54:20 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on July 18, 2012, 03:39:50 PM

Cornell
   2011 Season:  3-7 (1-7)** in IIAC
   Do not play Ripon.  Play Coe in non-conference
   Head coach is Vince Brautigam who is entering his 3rd season.  He turned around Dubuque’s program prior to taking job at Cornell.  Last year’s 3-7 record was the best for Cornell since 2003.
   Will return a 2nd team All-Conference corner in sophomore Myron Seabrook.
   In total, 16 starters are set to return including QB and leading rusher, Juan Flores (5’9” Jr.), and leading WR James Scully (6’5” JR). 
   In 2011, Rams scored only 15.7 points/game while allowing 38.3.  They turned it over 29 times.
   Program has announced an incoming class of 37 new players.

   Projection:  Big question mark.  Will have to score to compete with MWC’s passing first teams.  Look to have solid coaching staff and nucleus of returning players. 


Well produced Titan +K for the effort.  Not that I am the MWC's Cornell Correspondent, but I can at least add a couple of tidbits to your assessment.

Perhaps it's the biggest positive impact to Cornell is NOT playing in one of D3's Black and Blue Conferences, the IIAC, where the Rams' roster size was insufficient to support the attrition that comes with playing in such a conference.  How many wins does that translate into moving to the MWC is anybody's guess, but I would expect the Rams won't suffer as many second half swoons as I saw in the years of IIAC play I witnessed.  Maybe that's worth 1 or 2 more wins.

As for key players, the Rams also get back Coach Brautigams' son at free safety, he's a good ballplayer.  He was lost to injury last season.  They also return a Starting QB for only the second time in 6 years...We'll see if that means anything.  The Rams had trouble stopping the run and couldn't run the ball when they had to...but that was against IIAC teams geared for that type of play.

I would imagine the Rams come into the MWC with a lot of confidence that the playing field is somewhat more level when they take the field.  And I hope that the coaches instill the proper level of respect for their opponents...the MWC had 2 playoff teams last year.  The MWC has been picking up its level of competitiveness and Cornell will get its collective asses beat every game if they don't come ready to play.  I am hopeful for a 5-5 season as that would tend to validate the move.

Personally, I was disappointed they left the IIAC, but there comes that time where you reach the difference between being persistent or being too dumb to quit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on July 24, 2012, 09:00:40 AM
+K to Tp as well. Pretty spot on with your review of the Cornell program.

Heys I would also add that Cornell has increased their roster size to 76 players which will only help them going into the MWC. It would have helped them in the IIAC for reasons you mentioned earlier about lack of depth and the IIAC being more of bruising style of play. Just a few years ago Cornell was down to around 50 players and when the injury bug hit they were below 50 at one point. You will not be successful in any conference with those numbers anymore. That staff has done a tremendous job of recruiting. The last time Cornell had over 70 players on the roster was 2001-2003 fyi.

Cornell must improve their line play on both sides of the ball and take care of the ball on offense. They have some pretty dang good skill kids in my opinion but the line play has been subpar and also not very deep. Hopefully with the roster increasing in size they have gotten some good kids for the line.

I was also in favor of staying in the IIAC but that is no offense to the MWC as the conference has stepped up their level of play. Cornell will certainly have to come to play every Saturday and I am excited to see how we fair against new competition.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on July 24, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
Purple Heys ... we will miss your cogent analysis over on the IIAC page.  Good report on the Rams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 24, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Purple Heyes and Ash Park -  I to hated to see Cornell leave the IIAC.  My reason however was purely personal.  Mt. Vernon was the closest IIAC venue to Casa Warthog.  In addition The Chameleon in Mt. Vernon had the best bleu cheese burgers in the conference.  I guess Cornell's departure allows me to again research the quality of bleu cheese burgers at various IIAC outposts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on July 24, 2012, 04:24:08 PM
Pretty dang good burgers I know! Well if you ever want to check out an MWC game you could always swing down to MV if Warburg has a bye when the Rams have a home game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on July 24, 2012, 07:14:33 PM
Quote from: Ash Park on July 24, 2012, 04:24:08 PM
Pretty dang good burgers I know! Well if you ever want to check out an MWC game you could always swing down to MV if Warburg has a bye when the Rams have a home game.

Actually the lovely and talented Mrs. Warthog and I stopped at The Chameleon early this summer.  We wanted to avoid the construction on I-80 and I-380 at Iowa City on our way home from Cedar Rapids so we took the scenic route through Mount Vernon, Stanwood, and Tipton.  The bleu cheese burgers were as good and as messy as always.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on July 25, 2012, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: warthog on July 24, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Purple Heyes and Ash Park -  I to hated to see Cornell leave the IIAC.  My reason however was purely personal.  Mt. Vernon was the closest IIAC venue to Casa Warthog.  In addition The Chameleon in Mt. Vernon had the best bleu cheese burgers in the conference.  I guess Cornell's departure allows me to again research the quality of bleu cheese burgers at various IIAC outposts.
It's okay to join the Rams bandwagon while there's still plenty of room.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on July 25, 2012, 11:50:58 AM
I'm ready for the season to start. It'll be nice to see some new teams play.

Ash Park, are you gonna make it back to IA for any games this season?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 25, 2012, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on July 25, 2012, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: warthog on July 24, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Purple Heyes and Ash Park -  I to hated to see Cornell leave the IIAC.  My reason however was purely personal.  Mt. Vernon was the closest IIAC venue to Casa Warthog.  In addition The Chameleon in Mt. Vernon had the best bleu cheese burgers in the conference.  I guess Cornell's departure allows me to again research the quality of bleu cheese burgers at various IIAC outposts.
It's okay to join the Rams bandwagon while there's still plenty of room.

Ok then...

Iowa will be my FBS team
UNI will be my FCS team
UIU will be my D2 team
Dubuque will be my IIAC team
Cornell will be my MWC team  ;)

And 4 of those 5 are either current, or former IIAC schools  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on July 25, 2012, 03:39:57 PM
I might have to find a Cornell shirt for you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on July 26, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on July 25, 2012, 03:39:57 PM
I might have to find a Cornell shirt for you.

Cali,
If you have your "Halloween Costume" shirt from the 10th ave days, you might be able to put a ram logo on that.  Could be a big hit around those parts.  Maybe leave the toilet paper off of it though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on July 27, 2012, 09:29:13 AM
Quote from: OhIowa on July 26, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on July 25, 2012, 03:39:57 PM
I might have to find a Cornell shirt for you.

Cali,
If you have your "Halloween Costume" shirt from the 10th ave days, you might be able to put a ram logo on that.  Could be a big hit around those parts.  Maybe leave the toilet paper off of it though.
HAHAHA!!! I forgot about that. I think that shirt hit the trash as soon as I got back home that night. It was an original masterpiece though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 27, 2012, 04:38:51 PM
So this is how it's going to be, huh??   :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on July 28, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
Quote from: scottie on July 27, 2012, 04:38:51 PM
So this is how it's going to be, huh??   :o

A Scottish takeover needs to be staged! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on July 29, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on July 25, 2012, 11:50:58 AM
I'm ready for the season to start. It'll be nice to see some new teams play.

Ash Park, are you gonna make it back to IA for any games this season?

Definitely ready for this football season to start too! I should make it back for at least one game this year. I will let you know if I do!

Who are the favorites to win the MWC this year? Monmouth, Illinois college and St. Norbert? I would assume those 3 schools are in the mix but is there another team that is poised to have a break out year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 02, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
Anyone else have any preseason info?

Lake Forest Coach Cat sent out that this year they have the largest recruiting class ever.  This is leading to the largest roster ever.  He sent out a list of the new guys and it looks like some studs on it. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on August 03, 2012, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 02, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
Anyone else have any preseason info?

Lake Forest Coach Cat sent out that this year they have the largest recruiting class ever.  This is leading to the largest roster ever.  He sent out a list of the new guys and it looks like some studs on it.

Speaking unofficially for Cornell, I believe that have posted a recruiting class of 37, give or take 1.  This is the largest class they have had in years, I believe since my freshman year in 2003, maybe even longer.  It sounds like they are excited about a large number of quality skill players that will compete right away.  Cornell has struggled to land your 6'6 280lb kids over the years to build a solid front line on both sides of the ball.  I know they are excited about a few of their big guys coming in, but I don't think they will make up a majority of their recruiting class. 

I've never really followed the MWC over the years, so I'm excited to be able to follow some new teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 09, 2012, 06:35:31 PM
Hey everyone.  We're on the road tomorrow at 0400, (4am for you civilains!) heading to Chicago.  Start of camp is Sunday.  It's starting all over again!  And I can't wait.

Hope everyone else is as excited as we are.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 10, 2012, 09:33:30 AM
Drive safely, everyone.  As F-Dad would say, stay in between the lines.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 10, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 10, 2012, 09:33:30 AM
Drive safely, everyone.  As F-Dad would say, stay in between the lines.   ;)

+k for you scottie. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 13, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
Just got back from our Chicago trip.  Saw the team and the energy and I am definately excited for the season to start. 

Scottie, of course I stayed between the lines.  Is there any other way?  Oh yeah, if I played for that other team, I would have been hovering in the breakdown lane in case I saw a bad guy, so I could duck off!


:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 14, 2012, 09:20:58 AM
Let's see....when is Monmouth's Homecoming?  Oct 12-14.  Who do we play??  Lake Forest.

I N T E R E S T I N G . . . . .   V E R Y   I N T E R E S T I N G .......
Title: MWC Preview
Post by: rome on August 15, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
From the MWC site:



RIPON, Wis. – The 2011 Midwest Conference (MWC) Championship came down to the wire between Monmouth and Illinois Col. with the Fighting Scots claiming the title and much of the same is expected this season as both were favored to win the conference in the 2012 MWC Preseason Football Coaches Poll. The Fighting Scots and Blueboys each earned 93 points to headline a field of teams that welcomes back a familiar face in 2012.

Monmouth earned five first place votes while Illinois Col. captured four to edge out St. Norbert (85 points) and Carroll (72) who each had a first place vote each and were ranked third and fourth, respectively. Ripon was tabbed for fifth with 64 points while Lake Forest (50) and Grinnell (47) were separated by only three points for sixth place. Beloit (37), Cornell (33), Lawrence (16) and Knox (15) round out the poll.

Cornell rejoins the league after playing for the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (IIAC) since 1997. The Rams are a charter member of the MWC and won at least a share of the MWC Championship in 12 different years, the last coming in 1995.

There will be plenty of fresh faces on the field this season as only 29 of the 69 All-MWC award winners return which include the loss of both the Offensive Player of the Year Alex Tanney (Monmouth) and the Defensive Player of the Year Mike Dziewit (Carroll). Headlining the returnees is Monmouth running back Trey Yocum who led the league in rushing and Knox linebacker Mike Hendrick who led all of Division III in tackling last year with 15.7 tackles per game. Other All-MWC First Team award winners coming back this year are Cecil Brimmage (Illinois Col., RB), Keith Lane (Illinois Col., OL), Jacob Gahart (Ripon, K), Keith Hunter (Illinois Col, RS), Josh Zank (Carroll, DL), Austin Arts (St. Norbert, DB) and Brik Wedekind (Monmouth, P).

Voting is done by the MWC head football coaches. Each coach votes for the ten other schools in the conference in order of predicted finish. Points are assigned in reverse order of voting (ten points for first, nine for second, etc.). Coaches may not vote for their own teams.


2012 MWC Football Preseason Coaches Poll

Place   Team (First Place Votes)   Points
t1    Monmouth (5)    93
t1    Illinois Col. (4)    93
3    St. Norbert (1)    85
4    Carroll (1)    72
5    Ripon    64
6    Lake Forest    50
7    Grinnell    47
8    Beloit    37
9    Cornell    33
10    Lawrence    16
11    Knox    15
































Team Previews:

t1.  Monmouth Fighting Scots 
2011 Record: 10-2, 9-0
Base Offense: No Huddle Multiple 
Base Defense:  Multiple
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense): 2/2

Monmouth and Head Coach Steve Bell enter the 2012 season as reigning MWC Champions and aim for the schools fourth football championship in the last five years. Last season the Fighting Scots rolled through the conference schedule without a blemish before falling to St. Thomas in the second round of the NCAA Playoffs. Monmouth will have to retool as the team will be without record setting quarterback Alex Tanney and league leading receiver Mike Blodgett. Tanney, now with the Kansas City Chiefs, threw for 3,867 yards and 38 touchdowns and have an experience quarterback in Brik Wedekind who completed 9-of-13 passes for 118 yards. Despite losing Blodgett (126 rec, 1,867 yards, 18 TD) the Scots return  Austin Peterson (28 rec, 447 yards, five TD) and Spencer Brown (27 rec, 406 yards, four TD) to lead a strong receiving core. While Monmouth went to the air they also were able to pound the ball on the ground as Trey Yocum averaged almost 120 yards per contest and scored 21 rushing touchdowns, both tops in the MWC. With the offense earning the accolades the defense was just as strong finishing in the top three in the league in both scoring defense and passing defense. Ryan Flannigan and Jacob Wilson each had five interceptions for a defense that led the league in that category with 21.

t1.  Illinois C. Blueboys   
2011 Record: 9-2, 8-1
Base Offense:  Spread Coast 
Base Defense:  4-3
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  4/2

Garret Campbell and the Blueboys became the first team in MWC history to earn an at large bid to the NCAA Playoffs in 2011 after a nine win regular season where the team's only loss came to conference champion Monmouth. Illinois Col. had the second best offensive team in the league behind the third best rushing attack and fourth best passing game. Michael Bates threw for 3,129 yards (second in MWC) with 30 touchdowns and only 13 interceptions all while completing almost 62% of his passes. Despite the loss of leading receiver Brock Thompson (75 rec, 952 yards, 13 TD) the Blueboys welcome back Colin Duling (42 rec, 689 yards, six TD) and Kevin Wallace (36 rec, 469 yards, one TD) to lead the passing attack. Cecil Brimmage will once again carry the load in the running game after averaging just over 100 yards a game in 2011 (third in MWC), rushing for 1,101 yards and scoring 11 rushing touchdowns. Carter Cox made 86 tackles which included eight tackles for loss while defensive back Dylan DeFauw had five interceptions and seven pass breakups and 57 tackles in 2011.


3.  St. Norbert Green Knights 
2011 Record: 7-3, 7-2
Base Offense:  Multiple-I   
Base Defense:  4-2
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense): 2/3

The Green Knights finished with seven wins in 2011 and fell two games short of winning back-to-back MWC Championships under Jim Purtill who enters his 14th season. The Green Knights used a stifling defense to lead the way as they led the conference in total defense (314.1 yards/game), rush defense (76.3 yards/game) and scoring defense (16.1 points per game).The defense held opponents under 100 team rushing yards seven times last season while limiting two teams to negative rushing yards. Adam Nitsche made 56 tackles with two sacks while Justin Johnson intercepted five passes in his freshman year with 49 tackles. On the offensive side of the ball the Green Knights have to replace graduated quarterbacks Mike Fabrizio and Kevin Hansen as no other quarterback on the roster threw a pass in 2011. Craig Fagan returns as the top ball carrier after finishing the year with 718 yards on 140 carries and scored three touchdowns while Austin Williams carried the ball 40 times for 267 yards and four touchdowns. Joe Green will be the top target for St. Norbert after hauling in 63 passes for 911 yards and 11 touchdowns last year.


4.  Carroll Pioneers   
2011 Record: 7-3, 6-3
Base Offense:  Pro   
Base Defense:  4-2-5
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  0/3

Mark Krzykowski enters his first season at the helm of the Carroll football program and brings back one of the best defenses in the league. The Pioneers finished second in total defense last season giving up just shy of 340 yards of total offense per game while leading the league in pass defense. Defensive end Josh Zank topped all defensive players with ten sacks and was second with 15.5 tackles for loss to go along with 55 tackles. Marcus Radue and Neal Layng anchor the defensive backfield after each intercepting three passes and breaking up four more last season. On the offensive side of the ball the Pioneers have to replace the conference's second leading rusher, Joe Beckstrand, after he accounted for over 103 yards per game on the ground and 12 touchdowns. Justin Butterfield will be under center after throwing for 335 yards and four touchdowns while also coming back as the team's leading.
Title: MWC Preview
Post by: rome on August 15, 2012, 04:47:31 PM


5.  Ripon Red Hawks   
2011 Record: 6-4, 5-4
Base Offense:  Slot Bone   
Base Defense:  3-3-5
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  1/0

Ripon finished the 2011 season with a 6-4 record behind one of the best running games in the nation and a strong defense and will strive for the school's first MWC Championship since the 2001 season under 22 year Head Coach Ron Ernst. The Red Hawks averaged 337 yards on the ground per game last season and had six games with 350 or more rushing yards highlighted by rushing for 455 yards in a win over Lawrence on November 5, 2011. In 2012 the Red Hawks will have to look for the production elsewhere as only one of the team's top-five leading rusher's return, that one player being Michael Crusan (71 car, 573 yards, three TD). Tom Sawyer will take over the quarterbacking duties after Matt Miller graduated after the 2011 season. Sawyer completed 10-of-23 passes for 121 yards and a score last season while rushing for 223 yards and four touchdowns. Ripon held the third best overall defense last season giving up only 376.3 yards per game and allowing less than 26 points per game. The defense will be revamped as Ripon lost its top-5 tacklers from last season with Konrad Korth headlining the returnees with 44 tackles and two interceptions in 2011. Jacob Gahart will handle the place kicking duties after setting a new Ripon record for career field goals (31) hitting 15-of-16 chances which included a 54 yarder against Lawrence on November 5, 2011.


6.  Lake Forest Foresters   
2011 Record: 3-7, 3-6
Base Offense:  Multiple   
Base Defense:  3-4
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  2/0

Jim Catanzaro leads the Lake Forest football program into action for the fourth season and brings back an offense that was ranked as one of the best in the entire MWC. The Foresters finished the year third in the league in total offense, passing offense and scoring offense and scored at least 30 points six times. Pete Scaffidi directs the offense after throwing for 2,910 yards and 31 touchdowns while completing 62% of his passes during an outstanding junior season. Top receiver Kevin Davis (77 rec, 1,286 yards, 11 TD) was lost to graduation but Austin Sobey (55 rec, 752 yards, 11 TD) and Al Mitchell (42 rec, 229 yards, TD) return to stabilize the high profile passing attack. Mitchell carried the load in the running game with 940 yards on 201 carries and seven touchdowns in 2011. Linebacker Jordan Cruz made 68 tackles last year and had a pair of interceptions while defensive lineman Taylor Holzmeyer had seven sacks and ten tackles for loss to lead the Lake Forest defense.


7.  Grinnell Pioneers   
2011 Record: 5-5, 4-5
Base Offense:  Pistol   
Base Defense:  3-4
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  0/1

After winning only two games in the 2009 season Grinnell has 11 wins over the past two seasons, including five in 2011, thanks to one of the best passing attacks in the MWC. The Pioneers trailed only Monmouth in terms of throwing the football and return signal caller Mike McCabe to lead the offense for one more season. McCabe threw the fourth most touchdowns in the league (23) while throwing only ten interceptions and averaged over 236 yards per contest. The Pioneers have big holes to patch in the receiving core as they lost 1,000 yard pass catcher Robert Seer and Logan Granera who caught 55 passes for 676 yards. The duo also combined for 22 of the team's 29 touchdown receptions. Cody Weber is the top receiver coming into the season after making 42 grabs for 398 yards and three touchdowns, and also led the team on the ground with 474 yards on 109 attempts and six touchdowns. The Grinnell defense was stingy against the run last season and ranked fifth in the league in both total defense and scoring defense. The Pioneers only surrendered 152 yards per game on the ground led by defensive lineman Brian Taylor who had 11.5 tackles for loss and seven sacks. Andrew Clark shared the conference lead with six interceptions and secondary partner Drew Blumberg had 85 tackles to lead the team.


8.  Beloit Buccaneers   
2011 Record: 2-8, 2-7
Base Offense:  Spread   
Base Defense:  4-3
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  1/1

The Buccaneers enter the season ranked 8th in the preseason poll after only winning a pair of games in 2011 under Head Coach Chris Brann. Beloit has to replace one of the league's top offensive pass catching tandems as quarterback Brian Maughn and receiver Derek Carrier both were lost to graduation. Carrier caught 75 passes for over 1,200 yards last season which led to a free agent contract with the Oakland Raiders. Dillon Hess finds himself playing time at multiple positions as seeing action at both quarterback and receiver last season catching 26 passes for 276 yards and also threw for 101 yards and a touchdown. Zach Draus takes over for the departed Terence Steward as he ran for 466 yards on 68 attempts with four touchdowns. Will Mack leads a defensive backfield that was fourth in the league against the pass with a pair of interceptions. Linebacker Zack Bock finished in a tie for fifth in the league with 8.5 tackles per game and seven tackles for loss.


9.  Cornell Rams   
2011 Record: 3-7, 1-7 IIAC
Base Offense:  Run and Shoot 
Base Defense:  4-2-5
Returning All-IIAC (Offense/Defense):  0/1

Cornell plays its first MWC football game since the 1996 season when the Rams won the MWC South Division with a perfect 5-0 conference mark. Under Head Coach Vince Brautigam the Rams finished their final year in the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (IIAC) with a 3-7 overall mark and were led by quarterback Juan Flores. Flores led the team in both rushing and passing as he gained 563 yards on 135 carries with six touchdowns while throwing for 2,100 yards and ten touchdowns, completing over 62.0 percent of his passes. James Scully was Flores' favorite target catching 45 passes for 675 yards and a pair of touchdowns while Justin Cox caught 38 passes for 380 yards and three touchdowns in his freshman campaign. Myron Seabrook finished second in the IIAC with six interceptions and had five more pass breakups to lead the Cornell defense. Geoffrey Miller returns as the leading tackler after having 89 a year ago with six tackles for loss and an interception from his linebacker position.


10.  Lawrence Vikings   
2011 Record: 1-9, 1-8
Base Offense:  Run and Shoot 
Base Defense:  4-2-5
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  1/0

Lawrence ended the season on an eight game losing streak but first year Head Coach Mike Barthelmess aims to improve on the one win season the Vikings had in 2011. Luke Barthelmess contributed to the offense in almost every way last season as the quarterback threw for 2,721 yards and 22 touchdowns for an offense that ranked fifth in the MWC in passing offense. Barthelmess also was the top rusher with 356 yards on 148 carries and four touchdowns with Tyler Mazur also back after finishing the 2011 season as the top receiver with 63 catches for 878 and 11 touchdowns. The Vikings graduated their top defensive player, Mats Jonsson, after he led the team in tackles (67) and interceptions (three) but return Andy Paider (49 tackles, 9.5 TFL, three sacks) and Alex Schmitt (38 tackles, 6.5 TFL, three sacks) who were the Vikings top pass rushers.


11.  Knox Prairie Fire   
2011 Record: 0-10, 0-9
Base Offense:  Pistol   
Base Defense:  3-4
Returning All-MWC (Offense/Defense):  2/2

Knox enters the season on a 14 game losing streak and looks for its first win since a 31-21 victory over Grinnell on October 9, 2010 but boasts a strong running attack and one of the best defensive players in the conference for the 2012 season. Head Coach Chad Eisele has Mike Hendrick back to headline the defense after leading the country in tackles (15.7 per game) which included a 26 tackle performance against Beloit on September 24, 2011. Hendrick accumulated eight sacks and 16 tackles for loss en route to being named a preseason All-American by D3football.com. Derek Mortensen led the ground attack on the offensive side of the ball with 795 yards on 207 carries with 11 touchdowns while Drew Diaz will be under center after throwing for just over 1,500 yards and rushing for 309 yards and accounting for 18 total touchdowns. Dustin Armstrong comes back as the top target on the outside after a year where he caught 20 passes for 296 yards and a pair of scores for the Prairie Fire.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on August 15, 2012, 04:49:03 PM
NOTE:

Cornell Last season in the MWC was 1997 not 1996...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 15, 2012, 07:12:43 PM
Quote from: rome on August 15, 2012, 04:49:03 PM
NOTE:

Cornell Last season in the MWC was 1997 not 1996...

I believe they left in the summer of 1997 so there last football season in the MWC was in 1996.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on August 15, 2012, 09:20:22 PM
They played the MWC schedule but were not allowed to play in the conference championship
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 20, 2012, 09:20:53 AM
Well, it's been about a week since the players arrived to campus and no posts in the last five days.   >:(

R E A L L Y ! ? ! ? !


I guess it might have something to do with still being sleepy after navigating through rome's cut & paste dissertation above.   ;)

R E A L L Y ! ? ! ? !
Title: Re: MWC Preview
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 20, 2012, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: rome on August 15, 2012, 04:47:05 PM


2012 MWC Football Preseason Coaches Poll

Place   Team (First Place Votes)   Points
t1    Monmouth (5)    93
t1    Illinois Col. (4)    93
3    St. Norbert (1)    85
4    Carroll (1)    72
5    Ripon    64
6    Lake Forest    50
7    Grinnell    47
8    Beloit    37
9    Cornell    33
10    Lawrence    16
11    Knox    15


What I find really funny is that Cornell is predicted to beat the Larry's and knox and Cornell was the worst team in the IIAC.  Now I understand that the IIAC is a stronger conference, but still, our own coaches don't have confidence in the two teams who have been in this conference for a long time. haha.   :-X 

On a side note, I was actually on the field when Cornell won it's last Conference championship (I wasn't playing).. Now that was an amazing team to watch play that year.  Matt Miller was QB and they had one of the strongest running games in the nation!  Ran the same offense that Ripon runs now if I remember correctly...  Ahh the good 'ole days!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on August 21, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
Scottie,

Harsh my friend....harsh...

Yes, the cut & paste did not turn out as I planned, but the info was quality and I did note it came from the MWC site.

Anyways, thought it might stimulate a little conversation...like I do not see Beloit finishing this high with a returning core of underclassmen and lossing someone that is now on a NFL roster...

I hope I am proven wrong....

It will be interesting in contrast to see how Monmouth does...Tanney was exceptional, will the Scots take a step back (1 or 2 losses) by lossing such a talented player?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 21, 2012, 12:25:16 PM
Redhawk - good observation. I think it just goes to show how impressive those bottom have been (unfortunately).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 21, 2012, 04:00:29 PM
Local TV station on the start of SNC's camp. They also will have some coverage during the upcoming trip to Ireland.

Season preview:
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/snc-football-ready-to-return-to-the-top
Title: Re: MWC Preview
Post by: Purple Heys on August 23, 2012, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: rome on August 15, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
2012 MWC Football Preseason Coaches Poll

Place   Team (First Place Votes)   Points
t1    Monmouth (5)    93
t1    Illinois Col. (4)    93
3    St. Norbert (1)    85
4    Carroll (1)    72
5    Ripon    64
6    Lake Forest    50
7    Grinnell    47
8    Beloit    37
9    Cornell    33
10    Lawrence    16
11    Knox    15


Not last.    :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 24, 2012, 08:08:12 PM
Ruh roh!

http://www.pjstar.com/free/x1101047391/NCAA-puts-Illinois-College-on-3-years-of-probation
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 24, 2012, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 24, 2012, 08:08:12 PM
Ruh roh!

http://www.pjstar.com/free/x1101047391/NCAA-puts-Illinois-College-on-3-years-of-probation

Didn't load for me. Is this the texting thing?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 24, 2012, 09:49:38 PM
Yes.  From Rome's playbook: 

JACKSONVILLE —

The NCAA has cited the head football coach at Illinois College for unethical conduct and put the school on three years of probation.

The NCAA said Friday that the small liberal arts college in central Illinois also will suffer recruiting restrictions. The NCAA Division III Committee on Infractions cited the football coach for providing false information and said the head coach and two other coaches "failed to establish an atmosphere for compliance" in football, men's and women's swimming and men's golf.

NCAA officials say the three coaches sent 515 impermissible text messages to 81 prospective student-athletes from 2008 through 2011.

Illinois College has about 1,000 students and is located in Jacksonville, about 35 miles west of Springfield. Telephone and email messages seeking comment from the college weren't immediately returned.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on August 25, 2012, 03:04:07 PM
Dirty Blue Boys....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: augiefan on August 25, 2012, 04:49:37 PM
The Blueboys are the preseason pick to win the MWC FB title, so perhaps cheating works. At least until you are caught. Well at least until you are caught, if you are not John Calipari.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 26, 2012, 11:49:09 AM
Quote from: scottie on August 24, 2012, 09:49:38 PM
Yes.  From Rome's playbook: 

JACKSONVILLE —

The NCAA has cited the head football coach at Illinois College for unethical conduct and put the school on three years of probation.

The NCAA said Friday that the small liberal arts college in central Illinois also will suffer recruiting restrictions. The NCAA Division III Committee on Infractions cited the football coach for providing false information and said the head coach and two other coaches "failed to establish an atmosphere for compliance" in football, men's and women's swimming and men's golf.

NCAA officials say the three coaches sent 515 impermissible text messages to 81 prospective student-athletes from 2008 through 2011.

Illinois College has about 1,000 students and is located in Jacksonville, about 35 miles west of Springfield. Telephone and email messages seeking comment from the college weren't immediately returned.

Should've sent a text.  Rimshot!   :)

Kidding aside, there's no postseason or conference championship ban here, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on August 26, 2012, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 26, 2012, 11:49:09 AM

Kidding aside, there's no postseason or conference championship ban here, right?

That's correct.  The NCAA and MWC's rulings should have little to no impact on the current players and upcoming season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on August 26, 2012, 12:23:44 PM
I posted a more in-depth preview a few pages back, but now that we are one week away from the season, it's time to make final conference predictions:

Carroll 8-1 (9-1)
Illinois College 8-1 (9-1)
Monmouth 8-1 (8-2)
St. Norbert 7-2 (7-3)
Lake Forest 6-3 (7-3)
Ripon 4-5 (4-6)
Cornell 3-6 (3-7)
Lawrence 3-6 (3-7)
Grinnell 2-7 (3-7)
Knox 1-8 (2-8)
Beloit 0-9 (0-10)

I really think Carroll is going to make a run at the title.  They should have the team and the schedule to be right there.  I think there are questions surrounding St. Norbert's offense, but they could make it a tight, 4 team race, IMO. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2012, 04:01:10 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2012 TOP 25 FAN POLL (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1434525#msg1434525):
Please send me a PM with your ballot. I'd like to get a preseason poll up by Thursday night.

During the season ballots shall be due by Tuesdays so I can get them up Tuesday night.

Remember, this is just fun and we aren't part of the BCS Formula... yet ;D
Title: Hanover @ Illinois College
Post by: Thunder44 on August 26, 2012, 05:23:29 PM
Will be making the drive to Jacksonville for Saturday's titanic struggle between the Panthers and Blueboys.

Can any IC fans fill us in on tailgating/parking arrangements, and any other pertinent game day details?

Looking forward to seeing this game. Hanover has a new HC, OC, DC, and it will be interesting to see how we match up against a 2011 playoff team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 26, 2012, 05:39:08 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 31, 2011, 09:21:08 PM
Yes, sir, you and The Roop have thus far posted only rumors. If you are getting this from a website or newspaper, post a link. If you have a source, name him or her. Otherwise, all I see are unsubstantiated personal attacks making you come off as a bitter loser.

Guess it's not only rumors anymore.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 26, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on August 26, 2012, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 26, 2012, 11:49:09 AM

Kidding aside, there's no postseason or conference championship ban here, right?

That's correct.  The NCAA and MWC's rulings should have little to no impact on the current players and upcoming season.

I'd love to give this a "Not so fast, my friend!" but am not sure.  One would think there would be something fairly punitive in IC's future.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on August 26, 2012, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 26, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on August 26, 2012, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on August 26, 2012, 11:49:09 AM

Kidding aside, there's no postseason or conference championship ban here, right?

That's correct.  The NCAA and MWC's rulings should have little to no impact on the current players and upcoming season.

I'd love to give this a "Not so fast, my friend!" but am not sure.  One would think there would be something fairly punitive in IC's future.

Didn't the NCAA and MWC just announce their penalties?  From where would these punitive measures come?  This is a serious question; is there any other body that can levy a penalty?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on August 26, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 31, 2011, 07:45:20 PM
The Hells Angels have a saying.  "Three can keep a secret if two are dead".  I guess the IC coach was never a biker gang prospect. 

Spring practices/classes?  No test, only credits?  Manditory?  And it wasn't gonna get out?

Texting like a 12 year old girl to all the recruits?

What an amateur!  Hope he spends the next 20 years in a factory.  Not that factory work is bad, but they don't cheer for you when you show up on Saturdays for the forced overtime.

The bad thing of this, all the players there.  They will carry his cross.......

Did IC get busted for illegal spring practices too?  All I saw in the press release was punishment for text messaging.  Guess you did have the real scoop all along, fulbakdad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 27, 2012, 06:24:30 AM
 Titan
After working in Law Enforcement for 21 years, I've come to fully realize that when someone is prosecuted and found guilty, there's usually much more they were guilty of.  It's called discretionary prosecution.  They don't have to prosecute everything.  Sometimes it's the easier road, sometimes it's because it would take too much time to investigate everything, sometimes because tracks are covered up enough.  But it doesn't mean that they aren't guilty of more!
But that's a good defense for you.  Ignore what was found to be true, and continue to lash out at others.  In my mind though it's like measuring who's closer to being a virgin at a house of ill repute!  Face it, I guess it's like Nascar, if you're not cheating, you're not trying.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on August 27, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
There's a lot of excitement on the Cornell campus. I had a chance to drop in on their intrasquad scrimmage. It's nice to see more athletic players out there on the field. I'm looking forward to the season starting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on August 27, 2012, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 27, 2012, 06:24:30 AM
Titan
After working in Law Enforcement for 21 years, I've come to fully realize that when someone is prosecuted and found guilty, there's usually much more they were guilty of.  It's called discretionary prosecution.  They don't have to prosecute everything.  Sometimes it's the easier road, sometimes it's because it would take too much time to investigate everything, sometimes because tracks are covered up enough.  But it doesn't mean that they aren't guilty of more!
But that's a good defense for you.  Ignore what was found to be true, and continue to lash out at others.  In my mind though it's like measuring who's closer to being a virgin at a house of ill repute!  Face it, I guess it's like Nascar, if you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Ignore it?  Lash out at others? I'm pleased that the punishment won't have a material impact on the team's current players.  They did nothing wrong.  That said, I think it is an embarrassment for the program overall, especially the coaches who lied after they were caught.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 27, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
Well, as bad as these IC revelations are (and they are really bad), we all know that the top story on the minds of MWC fans is the status of Alex Tanney with the KC Chiefs.  You'll be happy, but probablyl not surprised, to know that he has survived the first round of cuts. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on August 27, 2012, 08:07:10 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 27, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
Well, as bad as these IC revelations are (and they are really bad), we all know that the top story on the minds of MWC fans is the status of Alex Tanney with the KC Chiefs.  You'll be happy, but probablyl not surprised, to know that he has survived the first round of cuts.

That means they've got to play him in the final preseason game, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on August 27, 2012, 08:52:12 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 27, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
Well, as bad as these IC revelations are (and they are really bad), we all know that the top story on the minds of MWC fans is the status of Alex Tanney with the KC Chiefs.  You'll be happy, but probablyl not surprised, to know that he has survived the first round of cuts.

Looks like he'll be playing in his third different football stadium in Brown County then.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on August 27, 2012, 10:00:04 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on August 27, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
There's a lot of excitement on the Cornell campus. I had a chance to drop in on their intrasquad scrimmage. It's nice to see more athletic players out there on the field. I'm looking forward to the season starting.

I've been hearing the same Cali....lots of excitement around there about the direction of the program. Not only are there more athletic players on the field...there are just flat out more players on the on the roster too  ;) . I'm not sure what to expect because they are fairly still a young team with a lot to prove. I can't even try to predict a record for this team....I just don't know what to expect besides I know they will be a much improved team but I know little to nothing right now about the MWC teams besides what I have read on here.

Very excited for this weekend. Go Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on August 28, 2012, 08:24:57 AM
As an IC alum, my attitude towards the sanctions is kind of "meh."  It is embarassing, but since there's no postseason ban attached to it and since MWC coaches are used to not being able to recruit off campus, I think it's totally possible the program won't be effected by this at all.  In fact, the rule that was violated is no longer a rule so Coach Campbell can keep recruiting in that manner if he so chooses.

In terms of the spring practice issue, I'd like to make two points.  One, you must remember that because of the trip to play a Canadian university, there was one spring where IC was allowed to practice in the spring.  Two, I've heard IC players refer to the spring conditioning sessions that every school does as "practice".  My guess is the IC coaching staff calls them this to emphasize the importance of them.  But, from what I've seen and heard, these spring "practices" are conditioning sessions that every good program does during that time of year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on August 28, 2012, 07:36:56 PM
New to the MWC but ready for some tailgating and football! We are headed up to Lawrence this weekend any advice welcome!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 29, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
Welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2012, 10:19:30 AM
Coverage of SNC leaving for Ireland:
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/snc-football-team-heads-to-ireland


As for Lawrence... I always park at the top of the hill, instead of driving down to the bottom and parking there. There are grass spots up there and an entrance. It means a longer walk to the concession stand during the game, however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on August 29, 2012, 02:55:42 PM
Quote from: CyRam on August 28, 2012, 07:36:56 PM
New to the MWC but ready for some tailgating and football! We are headed up to Lawrence this weekend any advice welcome!

Enjoy the "bowl", it's a nice field and enjoy Cornells first MWC win!   8-)  I agree, park at the top of the hill easy to get out at the end of the game.  And if you get there early enough look for JD's Burger shop, it's great food at an amazing price. 

Go Redhawks!  On a side note, Ripon is ranked pretty low, but again rankings mean nothing, still need to show up and play each week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2012, 08:08:02 AM
Video blog a SNC player is doing for a GB television station. Installment 1:
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/college/video-blog-st-norbert-fb-in-ireland
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 30, 2012, 09:58:02 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2012, 08:08:02 AM
Video blog a SNC player is doing for a GB television station. Installment 1:
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/college/video-blog-st-norbert-fb-in-ireland

They need to cut that grass on that rugby practice field...it was nearly up to their ankles!!  ;)  Looks like a great experience, though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on August 30, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
I may have missed this discussion, but I didn't realize that St. Norbert was playing John Carroll in Ireland.  Seems like that would be hectic with the travel and getting back for classes/practices/etc and recovering from any jet lag.

Excited to finally watch some football and see what the MWC has to offer.  Good luck to everyone this weekend.

GO RAMS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 30, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on August 28, 2012, 08:24:57 AM
As an IC alum, my attitude towards the sanctions is kind of "meh."  It is embarassing, but since there's no postseason ban attached to it and since MWC coaches are used to not being able to recruit off campus, I think it's totally possible the program won't be effected by this at all.  In fact, the rule that was violated is no longer a rule so Coach Campbell can keep recruiting in that manner if he so chooses.

Agree with what you're saying here and this will be totally in the wind the second the ball goes in the air  Saturday (or tonight even).  The emphasized part is half right...coaches can text now, but not Campbell.  At least not this year.  Part of the penalty is that IC coaches can't text players during this recruiting year (ban is lifted on April 30).  Surely a heavy, heavy penalty since texting is about the only way to reach out to prospective student athletes in the year 2012 [/heavy sarcasm]. 

Good luck to the Blueboys this Saturday.  We over in C'ville will appreciate anything you can do to have Hanover put as much on video as possible.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on August 30, 2012, 06:26:58 PM
Hoping for some good tailgating up at Lawrence! Any other Ram fans heading up there on Saturday?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2012, 07:11:08 AM
Welcome, CyRam!

Here's another video installment from SNC in Ireland:
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/snc-in-ireland-day-two

And, I went to the Packers-Chiefs game last night. Tanney played! He had a series in the fourth quarter. He had a nice, long pass completion (guessing it was a 40-yard play), but it got wiped out by an offensive line penalty. I don't think he ended up with any passing stats as a result. He mostly handed off the ball. He also got sacked a couple of times. But it was good to see him play.

Can't imagine him passing Stanzi and Quinn as a backup, but maybe he makes it to the practice squad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on August 31, 2012, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: CyRam on August 30, 2012, 06:26:58 PM
Hoping for some good tailgating up at Lawrence! Any other Ram fans heading up there on Saturday?
I'd like to but I'll be in Chicago, playing rugby. It would be nice if you would post your observations from the game when you return home.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 31, 2012, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2012, 07:11:08 AM
Welcome, CyRam!

Here's another video installment from SNC in Ireland:
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/snc-in-ireland-day-two

And, I went to the Packers-Chiefs game last night. Tanney played! He had a series in the fourth quarter. He had a nice, long pass completion (guessing it was a 40-yard play), but it got wiped out by an offensive line penalty. I don't think he ended up with any passing stats as a result. He mostly handed off the ball. He also got sacked a couple of times. But it was good to see him play.

Can't imagine him passing Stanzi and Quinn as a backup, but maybe he makes it to the practice squad.

He had 1 incompletion in his only credited throw...remember, he was flushed out of the pocket and overthrew his WR down the sidelines a couple plays after the completion that wasn't.  He hurt his index finger and had it looked at after that series. Didn't look serious when seeing it on the tv. But, Trent Green on the Chiefs broadcast, said unless it was falling off, he expect Tanney back in on the next series, but he never returned...and it wasn't falling off!! I thought maybe it was dislocated, but couldn't really tell from the tv.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2012, 01:35:03 PM
There was a pretty noticeable buzz among many MC alums on Facebook last night once Tanney got in the game.  Very cool!

Cut Stanzi or Brady, save some salary, and let Tanney carry the clip board for a year or two until hes ready for the show.    ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on August 31, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
OK, MWC fans, don't read too much into the chest pounding and blustering by Cornell fans.  Every year at this time on the IIAC board we would hear the players at Cornell were more physical than in previous years, they had a great recruiting year, and there was all kinds of enthusiasm on campus for Rams Football.  After week two reality sat in and they knew they would finish the season somewhere between 2-8 & 0-10.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
the SNC helmet logo - the fluer de lis - is usually white, but is green/white/orange like the Irish flag. Cool tough.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 31, 2012, 03:20:57 PM
Well said scottie...we can only hope!

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for...my picks! 8-)

Week 1

St. Norbert vs. John Carroll - John Carroll
Cornell at Lawrence - Cornell
Beloit at Chicago - Chicago
Carroll at Lakeland - Carroll
Grinnell vs. Carleton - Grinnell
Illinois C. vs. Hanover - Illinois C.
Knox vs. Eureka - Eureka
Lake Forest at Concordia (IL) - Lake Forest
Monmouth at Coe - Monmouth
Ripon vs. Wisconsin Lutheran - Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
Halftime

Blue Streaks 27
Green Knights 3

:'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 31, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10152064252500725&set=a.10150162658525725.426532.94388680724&type=1&theater
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2012, 05:39:59 PM
final
John Carroll 40
SNC 3

Not the outcome I wanted, of course. Still, a cool experience for the team. And doesn't change the fact they need to win MWC to get into NCAA field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on August 31, 2012, 06:13:31 PM
Ouch.  :-[
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on August 31, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: scottie on August 31, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10152064252500725&set=a.10150162658525725.426532.94388680724&type=1&theater

A second after that picture was taken, he got blindsided by #54 charging in offside behind him.  He held on to the ball, though!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 01, 2012, 12:27:41 AM
The Chiefs cut their roster down to 53.  Tanney not waived nor contract terminated.  "My sources" are researching the IR policies.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-3/Chiefs-announce-roster-moves-Down-to-53/9fbc827b-8ddb-4748-94e8-de30bf5d7a2d
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 01, 2012, 06:06:11 AM
GAMEDAY!  We've been waiting for this day for a while.  Best of luck to all MWC teams playing today.  Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 01, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
Will try to share some thoughts on IC-Hanover, but it will be late tonight or maybe even tomorrow before I get a chance to.  Looking forward to seeing the Blueboys in action today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 02:34:07 PM
End of 1st quarter

Monmouth 0
Coe 6

Coe scored on a 6-yard TD run, PAT was no good.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 02:48:02 PM
Following an interception, Monmouth kicks a FG.

Monmouth 3
Coe 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 02:52:03 PM
Coe answers with a FG of their own.

Monmouth 3
Coe 9
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 03:25:40 PM
End of 1st half

Monmouth 3
Coe 16

Lost the video feed for awhile, but Coe got another TD right before half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 01, 2012, 03:26:39 PM
Lake Forest down 18-14 at half.  Concordia scored a long pass touchdown with 25 seconds left.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 03:58:53 PM
I can't get the video feed or the live stats to work now...according the Coe Athletics twitter updates, Coe just got another TD run.

Monmouth 3
Coe 23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 04:12:28 PM
End of 3rd quarter

Monmouth 3
Coe 23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 04:14:09 PM
Early in the 4th quarter, Coe tacks on another FG.

Monmouth 3
Coe 26
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 04:22:46 PM
Coe with another TD run.

Monmouth 3
Coe 33
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 01, 2012, 04:32:27 PM
Are you sure you're not getting the replay feed from last night's SNC game?? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2012, 04:40:06 PM
scottie - Yeah, I'm sure...MC didn't give up another score to make it 40. ;)

Final

Monmouth 3
Coe 33
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 01, 2012, 04:48:53 PM
Lake Forest lost by 8 points (extra point blocked on last td).  Good game played by both teams.  Concordia is picked to end up 1st or 2nd in thier league.  Foresters will come back strong next week in Conferance at home......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Illinois College 51
Hanover 28
final

Wis. Lutheran 31
Ripon 0
Final

Cornell 41
Lawence 39
Final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 01, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
IC was absolutely dominant with their run game today.  Brimmage had around 340 on the ground and Bates added another 85.  The pass game wasn't as sharp as I expected, but it was rainy and at times windy in Jacksonville today so I'm sure that was a factor.  On defense, the line played particularly well and the performance was better than the 28 points would indicate as they made Hanover punt ten times and forced at least two turnovers I remember offhand.  I don't recall either of their names, but IC had two safetys that played very physical and hit hard all day.

All that being said, I really can't tell you how good of a win this is as I don't know much about Hanover. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2012, 08:05:04 PM
Sam Durley set the Division III all-time single-game pasing record as he threw for 736 yards in Eureka's 62-55 come-from-behind win at Knox in the inaugurual Lincoln Bowl.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 01, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
His arm fell off in the locker room afterward and he was taken to Peoria by helicopter to have it reattached.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on September 01, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2012, 08:05:04 PM
Sam Durley set the Division III all-time single-game pasing record as he threw for 736 yards in Eureka's 62-55 come-from-behind win at Knox in the inaugurual Lincoln Bowl.

What's the over under on Durley throwing for 1,000 yds this season  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2012, 11:05:35 PM
Final
Carroll 24
Lakeland 17

Final
Chicago 20
Beloit 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2012, 11:26:21 PM
Final
Carleton 20
Grinnell 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2012, 12:47:33 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 01, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2012, 08:05:04 PM
Sam Durley set the Division III all-time single-game pasing record as he threw for 736 yards in Eureka's 62-55 come-from-behind win at Knox in the inaugurual Lincoln Bowl.

What's the over under on Durley throwing for 1,000 yds this season  ;D

Probably by the third quarter of the next game. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2012, 09:51:20 AM
Chances are that most teams who play KC with any frequency have a passing record or five in their books that was established against the Prairie Fire secondary.  But usually their team is so far ahead that the QB sits a good chunk of the second half. ;) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2012, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 01, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
His arm fell off in the locker room afterward and he was taken to Peoria by helicopter to have it reattached.

Actually, he only threw 52 times. It was an efficient carving up of the Knox secondary, which is even younger than usual.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 02, 2012, 08:10:49 PM
After SNC managed just three points against John Carroll, it will be interesting to see how they do against the Knox defense. Certainly SNC should win, but there has to be some jet lag concern. And Knox lit up the scoreboard, too. Could be an entertaining game in De Pere this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 03, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
The conference race begins in earnest this week with 5 games.  Here is the slate of games:

Conference:
Lawrence @ Lake Forest
Monmouth @ Beloit
Ripon @ Carroll
Knox @ St. Norbert
Illinois College @ Grinnell

Non-conference:
Coe @ Cornell

I don't see any heavyweight match-ups this week in the MWC.  In recent years, Ripon vs. Carroll would be a great matchup.  However, I think Ripon will be fighting to stay in the middle of the pack this year, so I would not be surprised to see Carroll win big.  I think Lake Forest, Monmouth, and St. Norbert will also win in a similar fashion.  IC has a long trip to Grinnell but should be able to put up enough points to beat the Pioneers. 

I'm not sure how much we will learn about the top contenders this week.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on September 04, 2012, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: warthog on August 31, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
OK, MWC fans, don't read too much into the chest pounding and blustering by Cornell fans.  Every year at this time on the IIAC board we would hear the players at Cornell were more physical than in previous years, they had a great recruiting year, and there was all kinds of enthusiasm on campus for Rams Football.  After week two reality sat in and they knew they would finish the season somewhere between 2-8 & 0-10. 
I think you're confusing us normal fans with some of the guys that are out of touch with reality or just say random stuff to get a rise out of people. If you see chest pounding or blustering, feel free to point it out but don't label everyone because of a couple of idiots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 05, 2012, 08:32:35 PM
Looking forward to our first flight to Chicago for the home opener.  Really getting a stong vibe from the Lake Forest home base.  After a week of civility (cuz of all the non conferance games) also looking forward to the weekly jabs!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on September 06, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on September 04, 2012, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: warthog on August 31, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
OK, MWC fans, don't read too much into the chest pounding and blustering by Cornell fans.  Every year at this time on the IIAC board we would hear the players at Cornell were more physical than in previous years, they had a great recruiting year, and there was all kinds of enthusiasm on campus for Rams Football.  After week two reality sat in and they knew they would finish the season somewhere between 2-8 & 0-10. 
I think you're confusing us normal fans with some of the guys that are out of touch with reality or just say random stuff to get a rise out of people. If you see chest pounding or blustering, feel free to point it out but don't label everyone because of a couple of idiots.

??? Where and who was doing the chest pounding? It is a fact that they did have a good recruiting year just by where their numbers are from previous years.  Like cali said, I think you are confusing the showme types with loyal fans such as Heys, Cali, myself and OhIowa. Or maybe you just felt like being arrogant and stirring the pot a little.

No disrespect to LU but I don't think any of us Cornell fans would be pounding our chests after beating a team that went 1-9 the previous year and also they actually should have beat us....3 missed extra points, missed an open receiver in the endzone before half and of course missed the 27 yd FG at the end to win the game.

I will take the W though...I just hope we show up to play Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 06, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: Ash Park on September 06, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on September 04, 2012, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: warthog on August 31, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
OK, MWC fans, don't read too much into the chest pounding and blustering by Cornell fans.  Every year at this time on the IIAC board we would hear the players at Cornell were more physical than in previous years, they had a great recruiting year, and there was all kinds of enthusiasm on campus for Rams Football.  After week two reality sat in and they knew they would finish the season somewhere between 2-8 & 0-10. 
I think you're confusing us normal fans with some of the guys that are out of touch with reality or just say random stuff to get a rise out of people. If you see chest pounding or blustering, feel free to point it out but don't label everyone because of a couple of idiots.

??? Where and who was doing the chest pounding? It is a fact that they did have a good recruiting year just by where their numbers are from previous years.  Like cali said, I think you are confusing the showme types with loyal fans such as Heys, Cali, myself and OhIowa. Or maybe you just felt like being arrogant and stirring the pot a little.  
No disrespect to LU but I don't think any of us Cornell fans would be pounding our chests after beating a team that went 1-9 the previous year and also they actually should have beat us....3 missed extra points, missed an open receiver in the endzone before half and of course missed the 27 yd FG at the end to win the game.

I will take the W though...I just hope we show up to play Saturday.

To my old IIAC partners Ash Park and CaliRamRL6:

My team still has way too many unanswered questions  for me to be arrogant this season. I was trying to stir the pot just a little for the Cornell loyalist.  I'm just a little disappointed it took almost a week before you fired back. ;)  The MWC posters will soon learn you are a group that feels strongly about the Rams and will not allow a little adversity dim your enthusiasm for all things Purple.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on September 06, 2012, 05:47:03 PM
Ready to tailgate in Mt. Vernon. Should be a perfect day for football!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 06, 2012, 08:16:26 PM
God this is painful.  I actually posted something expecting to get the normal barrage of attacks from the Monmouth and Ill Coll groups and nothing!  This is like waiting for the Warden to come and bring me for my final walk down the halls to the waiting chair!  Are you guys all asleep?

Go Forresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2012, 10:39:58 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 06, 2012, 08:16:26 PM
God this is painful.  I actually posted something expecting to get the normal barrage of attacks from the Monmouth and Ill Coll groups and nothing!  This is like waiting for the Warden to come and bring me for my final walk down the halls to the waiting chair!  Are you guys all asleep?

Go Forresters!

Are there any IC posters on this site?  "You know who" is long gone, it seems.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 07, 2012, 11:35:55 AM
There are a couple of us here -- not many though.  And I'm technically more of an Illinois Wesleyan poster than an IC one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 07, 2012, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: CyRam on September 06, 2012, 05:47:03 PM
Ready to tailgate in Mt. Vernon. Should be a perfect day for football!

Sunny and 72 is the forcast.  Cornell was one of my favorite places to see a game.  We will miss them in the Iowa Conference.  Beautiful campus, we were always welcomed into the parents tailgate, and Chamelians after the game for a bleu cheeseburger basket and a beer and more football talk would always round out a great day in Mt Vernon. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on September 07, 2012, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 07, 2012, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: CyRam on September 06, 2012, 05:47:03 PM
Ready to tailgate in Mt. Vernon. Should be a perfect day for football!

Sunny and 72 is the forcast.  Cornell was one of my favorite places to see a game.  We will miss them in the Iowa Conference.  Beautiful campus, we were always welcomed into the parents tailgate, and Chamelians after the game for a bleu cheeseburger basket and a beer and more football talk would always round out a great day in Mt Vernon.
Dubuque is in Wisconsin. Feel free to be a Cornell fan for a day.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 07, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
I'm an IC poster, although I don't post often on here.  If something was said that I was supposed to be offended by, I missed it ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
WNC, no negative itent directed at you.  Usually last year it was one of yours at us.  Must have been a parent of a Graduate.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2012, 03:08:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCnZqg1RgGA
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 07, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
Thor & Zues, the Norse & Greek gods of thunder and lightning are apparently Coe fans.  Cornell is lucky this morning's strike on the bell tower didn't ignite the whole building.  I would think 150 year old structures could burn quickly with the right conditions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2012, 03:58:49 PM
Glad to see a full slate of conference action for Saturday afternoon with a good non-conference rivalry game thrown in there also!  TitanPride is right though...no heavyweight match-ups tomorrow.  Hopefully the picks for this week will go better than they did last week.

Week 2

Illinois C. @ Grinnell - IC
Knox @ St. Norbert - SNC
Lawrence @ Lake Forest - LFC
Monmouth @ Beloit - MC (What do you think about that, The Roop?!) ;)
Ripon @ Carroll - CU
Cornell vs. Coe - Coe

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 08, 2012, 06:23:41 AM
Woke up early in the Forest today.  Excited for kickoff.  We should see today if Lake Forest is driving forward, stuck in neutral, or in reverse.  Looking forward to seeing how they respond to the new look Lawrence offense.  That and watching Scafidi throwing more TD passes.

Can't wait!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on September 08, 2012, 08:31:56 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2012, 03:08:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCnZqg1RgGA
That is good! Where did blue's boy end up?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 01:40:38 PM
Absolutely gorgeous day in De Pere! About 70, I think. There is a breeze, kinda stiff at times, cross the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 02:17:01 PM
Moon with a 10yrd td catch on Knox opening drive. SNC linebacker had the ball in his hands and it bounced into Moon's hands and turned into the endzone.

7-0 Knox with 10:54 left in first
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Monmouth 3
Beloit 7

End of 1st quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 02:38:44 PM
SNC ties it on first play of second quarter. 12yrd pass to Heim
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2012, 02:45:31 PM
First Fighting Scots TD of the season comes on a Yocum run.

Monmouth 10
Beloit 7

13:10 left in the 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
Another slant pattern for TD from inside the 10.

14-7 SNC with 9:55 left in second
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 03:11:09 PM
SNC turns late INT into a FG. 17-7 with :23.5 left in the half.

And that's the score at half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2012, 03:14:23 PM
Monmouth 10
Beloit 7

Halftime

Anyone have updates on the other games?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
Half
Lawrence 3
Lake Forest 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 03:23:37 PM
Half
Ripon 3
Carroll 24
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 03:54:18 PM
Fire turn INT into points.
Knox 14
SNC 17
4:31 left 3rd q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2012, 04:02:36 PM
Monmouth 17
Beloit 14

End of 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2012, 04:14:16 PM
Another Yocum TD run.

Monmouth 24
Beloit 14

11:39 left in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
After exchanging turnovers, SNC gets TD pass.

Knox 14
SNC 24
8:57 left 4th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
Wedekind TD pass to Peterson.

Monmouth 31
Beloit 14

4:37 left in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 08, 2012, 04:28:17 PM
Lake Forest 20. Lawrence 10 5 minutes left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
Knox puts together long drive but sack puts out of fg range, incomplete on 4tph

SNC ball on own 30 with 3:45 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 04:39:43 PM
And there is your dagger... 17yd td run by Boockmeier.

SNC leads 31-14 with 1:46 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2012, 04:45:23 PM
Monmouth 31
Beloit 14

Final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 04:45:54 PM
Knox gets TD but pat blocked.

31-20 with :28 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 04:48:46 PM
Final
Knox 20
SNC 31
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 08, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
Lake forest 20 lawrence 16 final
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 08, 2012, 05:05:33 PM
To fans of D-3 football everywhere.  I am honored to have been asked to spread the word regarding a new cancer fund that has been established to help Tom Pattison, UW-W sports broadcaster and founder of www.warhawkfootball.com    I and my family know, all to well, how a cancer diagnosis can be devastating to a families daily lives and finances. Please, consider making even the smallest donation to Tom.

The following is an open letter by Retired UW-W Coach Bob Berezowitz:

Team Tom Cancer Fund Drive established

Once a Warhawk, always a Warhawk are the often spoken words by Tom Pattison, longtime "voice" of the Warhawks. Over the many years of broadcasting UW-Whitewater football, basketball and baseball games on KOOL 106.5 (and prior to that (940 WFAW), Tom has "bled purple" during each one of his broadcasts.

Unfortunately, on May 28, 2012 Tom was diagnosed with advanced stage 2 colon cancer. He underwent colorectal cancer surgery in Fort Atkinson and in the process has developed astronomical hospital and medical bills.

Tom has already gone through the first phase of radiation treatment at the UW Cancer Clinic along with chemotherapy with phase two starting later this month.

Tom has given his heart and soul to Warhawk athletics over his 25 years of living here in southern Wisconsin. He served six years as the president of the UW-Whitewater Quarterback Club and still serves on the club's board of directors.

In 2003 Tom founded Warhawkfootball.com where Warhawk fans, players, former players and parents have been able to view up-to-date Warhawk football news and information 365 days a year. Nearly 1.5 million visitors have clicked onto the Website over the years.

The Website that has been funded entirely by Tom has been a popular "voice" for Warhawk football fans not only locally but around the world.

Well now Tom needs your assistance in his battle with cancer.

With the help and leadership of UW-Whitewater Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Dr. Paul Plinke and former Warhawk football coach Bob Berezowitz and KOOL 106.5 Radio a team has been set up to lead a campaign to raise funds for Tom.

The "Team Tom Cancer Fund" has been established through Commercial Bank in Whitewater and is now accepting donations.

Donations may be sent to: Team Tom Cancer Fund, c/o Commercial Bank, 200 South Freemont St. Whitewater, WI 53190


The fund raising drive will also include Tom Pattison Day at Perkins Stadium on Oct. 6, 2012. More details will be announced shortly.

"I have known Tom for many years while coaching and now in retirement," Berezowitz said. "There is not another person who has given more of himself to help promote UW-Whitewater football. He is always writing articles for both past and present players that are published on his Website.

It is now our turn to say "thank you" for his efforts by considering making a donation to the to assist Tom in his time of need.

Go Warhawks,
Bob Berezowitz
UW-Whitewater Football Coach/Retired
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 05:15:17 PM
Back home from a game that was their for the taking for either school - but SNC converted a few more times and made a few fewer mistakes than Knox. After a loss last week, I'll take the win even if we don't get any style points.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Final
Ripon 24
Carroll 30
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 05:19:50 PM
Final
Lawrence 16
Lake Forest 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 05:23:23 PM
Final
Cornell 14
Coe 34
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2012, 05:30:18 PM
Final
IC 53
Grinnell 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 08, 2012, 10:44:23 PM
Back from Grinnell.  Pretty good win for the Blueboys today.

Last week, Cecil Brimmage ran for 340 yards.  Today, he hurt his knee on IC's second drive of the game and didn't return (more later).  Michael Bates took over, completing 34 passes for 580 yards, a conference record, and connecting with 6 different WR for a total of 7 passing TDs.  Quite the day for Bates and IC's passing attack.

On defense, IC hounded Grinnell's first year QB all day.  IC was credited with 6 sacks, but it felt like the QB was getting hit on every play.  To his credit, he battled all day.  Unfortunately, Grinnell just doesn't appear to have the offensive weapons that they've had in the past (Seer, etc.)  And I do think that IC is better on defense this year.  They have several guys with high motors who can get after the quarterback.  I'm still a little suspect though of the secondary.

IC did have way too many penalties today -- 12 for 120 yards.  They also turned the ball over 3 times.  One of those, an interception, was returned for a TD.

All in all, a pretty good day in Iowa.  The only bad news was the Cecil Brimmage injury.  Heard rumors that he might have tweaked his MCL.  If he has to miss any significant time, it would be a tough blow to the Blueboys.  Injuries will happen though, like always, and IC showed today that they can still be very formidable through the air. 

IC has a Bye next week before hosting Ripon.  I was pretty surprised to see how close the other conference games were today.  Going in, I thought LF, Monmouth, Norbert, and Carroll would all win blowouts.  Not sure what the scores of those games really mean, but count me as surprised.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 08, 2012, 11:53:14 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 08, 2012, 10:44:23 PM
Back from Grinnell.  Pretty good win for the Blueboys today.

Last week, Cecil Brimmage ran for 340 yards.  Today, he hurt his knee on IC's second drive of the game and didn't return (more later).  Michael Bates took over, completing 34 passes for 580 yards, a conference record, and connecting with 6 different WR for a total of 7 passing TDs.  Quite the day for Bates and IC's passing attack.

On defense, IC hounded Grinnell's first year QB all day.  IC was credited with 6 sacks, but it felt like the QB was getting hit on every play.  To his credit, he battled all day.  Unfortunately, Grinnell just doesn't appear to have the offensive weapons that they've had in the past (Seer, etc.)  And I do think that IC is better on defense this year.  They have several guys with high motors who can get after the quarterback.  I'm still a little suspect though of the secondary.

IC did have way too many penalties today -- 12 for 120 yards.  They also turned the ball over 3 times.  One of those, an interception, was returned for a TD.

All in all, a pretty good day in Iowa.  The only bad news was the Cecil Brimmage injury.  Heard rumors that he might have tweaked his MCL.  If he has to miss any significant time, it would be a tough blow to the Blueboys.  Injuries will happen though, like always, and IC showed today that they can still be very formidable through the air. 

IC has a Bye next week before hosting Ripon.  I was pretty surprised to see how close the other conference games were today.  Going in, I thought LF, Monmouth, Norbert, and Carroll would all win blowouts.  Not sure what the scores of those games really mean, but count me as surprised.

I watched the Carroll-Ripon game online. Carroll was able to build a lead in the first half due to Ripon miscues (a bad snap on a punt, interception). In the second half though Carroll's defense couldn't find an answer for that defense from the 1950s that Ripon runs and the Carroll offense started to faulter. Ripon tied it with three minutes to go but Carroll pulled together a drive to score the winning touchdown (missed the PAT) with 40 seconds left and Ripon's lack of pass offense gave them no chance to tie the score or take the game.

It was good to see Carroll come out with a win but they will have to play better of they want to compete for the conference crown.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2012, 07:38:18 AM
I was at the Lake Forest/Lawrence game.  Lake Forest did a good job against Lawrence, I think better than the score ended up being.  Their defense is much improved over last year.  From my observation, the big differance is instead of taking opposing players down, they are smashing them down.  That was something I sat watching last year thinking they had to get better at.  The Linebackers are a big bright spot.  They have 4-5 very good linebackers this year who are really going after the ball.  On that, they still only have one senior starting on defense.  There were momentary lapses in the game that allowed Lawrence to scratch the way back into the game.  Hats off to the Lawrence QB, he's a scrappy player.  With some more experience and some tweeks, I believe this I believe will only get better.  One hidden stat was that Lake Forest had 8 sacks I believe, add three intentanial grounding penalties on Lawrence to that and you see they were really going after him.

On offense Scaffidi is one tough QB.  And Mitchell ran for 200+ yards yesterday.  They are doing well behind a very young offensive line.  The line is way above what I expected.  I was really getting ready for disaster, but they have stepped up to the plate.  Still looking to see who is going to be the next "playmaker" in the reciever corps.  With the loss of Kevin Davis, they are still all posturing.  Someone needs to grab the gold ring and go.

We should see next week against Grinnell how good they are.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 09, 2012, 08:24:38 AM
Good recaps, thanks! 

Fulbakdad -- you guys should take care of business next week in Iowa.  Scaffidi should have a huge day against Grinnell's secondary.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2012, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: wartknight on September 08, 2012, 08:31:56 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2012, 03:08:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCnZqg1RgGA
That is good! Where did blue's boy end up?

Still on the IC roster, I believe. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 10, 2012, 05:20:50 PM
Congrats to Bryce Jones.  Lake Forest outside linebacker named MWC Defensive Player of the Week.  He was hitting Lawrence players like a cement truck in the backfield all day Saturday. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 12, 2012, 10:34:02 AM
Congrats to Brik Wedekind of Monmouth College on being named an Athlete of the Week by the Beyond Sports Network for his punting performance against Beloit!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 12, 2012, 06:13:04 PM
Only 4 games this week.  Cornell, Illinois College and Monmouth are on bye.

   Lake Forest @ Grinnell
   St. Norbert @ Ripon
   Carroll @ Knox
   Beloit @ Lawrence
   
I'm really interested in how the St. Norbert/Ripon game plays out.  This is a big game for both teams.  With a loss, Ripon would be 0-3 and staring at a trip to Jacksonville in Week 4.  St. Norbert can't afford to lose a game to a Ripon squad which appears to be headed for a middle of the pack finish, at best.

In the other games, I think Lake Forest's offense will exploit Grinnell's D and win by a couple of TDs.  Knox played St. Norbert tough, but I would think that Carroll should be able to go into Galesburg and put up some points.  Finally, Lawrence has lost 2 games by a combined 6 points -- I like them to win pretty big against Beloit.  Anyone with a differing opinion? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on September 13, 2012, 08:17:17 AM
As I am trying to familiarize myself with the MWC, what can you tell me about Grinnell?  I know they typically are small in terms of roster size, but I believe I counted 45 this year.  How typical is this for Grinnell?  In my days at Cornell, roster size was always an issue.  Grinnell seems to always squeak out a 4-6/5-5 season, with an occassional run at 6-4.  I know they are a top tier academic school with a hefty price tag to go with it, but is that the main reason they strugle with numbers?  They have great facilities, and in my opinion, on of the best natural surfaces around.  Just curious on everyone's thoughts. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on September 13, 2012, 06:42:11 PM
TitanPride....I'm with you on the Lawrence smack-down!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 13, 2012, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: OhIowa on September 13, 2012, 08:17:17 AM
As I am trying to familiarize myself with the MWC, what can you tell me about Grinnell?  I know they typically are small in terms of roster size, but I believe I counted 45 this year.  How typical is this for Grinnell?  In my days at Cornell, roster size was always an issue.  Grinnell seems to always squeak out a 4-6/5-5 season, with an occassional run at 6-4.  I know they are a top tier academic school with a hefty price tag to go with it, but is that the main reason they strugle with numbers?  They have great facilities, and in my opinion, on of the best natural surfaces around.  Just curious on everyone's thoughts.

In my few years watching the MWC, Grinnell has always had around the 45-55 players.  I will disagree a little with you on their record.  Looking back on Grinnell's website, the 2010 season was Grinnell's first winning year since at least 1999 (I could only find records going back to 2000).  During the early 2000's, they had a lot of 1-9's and 2-8's. 

I will agree that they seem to have good facilities and a solid head coach.  I'm not sure how much of an emphasis they place on football (or on athletics in general) as evidence by their small roster.  It's hard to compete with 45 vs. 100+, especially later in the year when injuries take effect.  This year compared to the last two, I think they are lacking the offensive skill players that they've had in the last two years which helped bump them closer to the .500. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 14, 2012, 05:45:50 AM
Look for Lake Forest's defense to step up tomorrow against Grinnell.  I think Grinnell will also see a lot of the updated Forester running attack......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 14, 2012, 09:25:58 AM
When I played at IC--1998-2001 seasons--Grinnell was actually one of the better teams in the conference.  Going off memory here, but I think they may have even won the league in either 98, 99, or maybe both even.  Outside of those few seasons, though, I think they've been towards the bottom of the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 14, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on September 14, 2012, 09:25:58 AM
When I played at IC--1998-2001 seasons--Grinnell was actually one of the better teams in the conference.  Going off memory here, but I think they may have even won the league in either 98, 99, or maybe both even.  Outside of those few seasons, though, I think they've been towards the bottom of the MWC.

So I had to do some fact checking on this and indeed Grinnell did win the conference in 1998 and in 1997 they won the South division.  But since then they haven't won the conference. I played at Ripon 2000-2004 and grinnell was not that great during those time.  I agree that Grinnell runs into the same issue recruiting that Lawrence ran into and that was high academic standards to get in.  I'm not saying the other schools don't hold high standards for entry, but not as high as Grinnell and Lawrence.  It also has to do with the type of degree's that are offered.  Lawrence being a "music" school, you don't see a lot of football players that are going into a BS in Theatre.  In the last couple years Lawrence has lowered their entry requirements to help foster a football program that can compete. 

As for those of you who are going to get on me for Ripon's last 2 games.  I have no excuses for the play that happened against WI Luthern, that was just poor execution.  The Carrol game, it took them a half to get their sh!t together and put some points on the board.  It's tough to win a game when you are down 24-3 at half.  They had a great second half, but just ran out of time.  As for the Norberts game, I can only say that Ripon better be coming out with blood on their minds and play with no regret, because I can't remember the last time Ripon started 0-2 not to mention 0-3.  I won't be able to attend so any updates from me won't happen to later that night, but I will be receiving live updates during the game.  Go RedHawks!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 14, 2012, 03:20:33 PM
If I remember correctly, Grinnell scored a ton of points behind Troy Daugherty (does anyone remember if his nickname was Doc?) when they won the MWC in 1998.  During my time at Monmouth, we played a couple games at Grinnell and I can still recall seeing the 1998 MWC Champions flag flying at one end of the field.  Like the rest of you have said though, they have certainly had a tough time since then.

Week 3

Beloit at Lawrence - BC
Carroll at Knox - CU
Lake Forest at Grinnell - LFC
St. Norbert at Ripon - SNC

Stay healthy this weekend Fighting Scots! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 02:23:10 PM
Lake Forest score first against Grinell on a Scaffidi pass.  PAT blocked.  LFC 6-grinell 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 02:39:26 PM
Grinell takes advantage of a LFC roughing the passer penalty that would have forced a fg attemt.  They score on a 5 yard pass.  Grinell 7 lFC 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 02:54:26 PM
SNC leads Ripon 21-7 in 2nd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 03:04:14 PM
Lake Forest d lineman intercepts a screen pass and goes 70 yards for a td.  PAT no good.  Lake Forest 12 Grinell 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 03:08:06 PM
In a drive aided by at least three SNC penalties, ripon scores on a qb keeper right before the half

SNC 21
Ripon 14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 03:11:40 PM
and that's the score at the half

first time I've watched on this new webstream provided. lots of buffering, video doesn't match audio. very poor.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 03:25:05 PM
Halftime at Grinell.  Lfc 12 Grinell 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 03:25:55 PM
Neither offense clicking and this video feed sucks! Lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 03:39:36 PM
set up  by Sawyer's 60-yard run to the 1, he dives in two plays later for the RedHawk td. pat good

21-21, 12:17 left 3rd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 03:50:38 PM
24 unanswered points for RC... 24-21 RC

nothing has gone right for SNC since i turned this on... >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 03:55:15 PM
Carroll leads Knox 27-6

graphic says haltftime but they are playing
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 03:57:52 PM
Lake Forest intercepts another pass and returns it for a td. Lake Forest up 19-7.  Grinell q. Now throwing the ball in desperation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:00:56 PM
now 34-6 Pioneers

much clearer picture from KC than rC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
rc announcer says time of possession through three quarters: SNC 13, ripon 32. yikes
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 04:11:20 PM
After stalling all day, hats off to Scaffidi.  He takes Lake Forest on an 80 yard drive ending it with a 15 yard td pass.  He took LOTS of time off the clock.  Lake Forest now up 26 to7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:14:50 PM
Ripon missed 38 yard fg. SNC down by 3 with about 11:00 left, I think
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:22:26 PM
SNC puts together a drive for the first time since the early second quatrter, capped off by a Boockmeier TD.

SNC 28
Ripon 24
6:55 left, 4th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Lake Forest drives the field again and score another td on an option. Lake Forest in control 33-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
ripon marches right back down the field, eats lots of time and gets Td. pat good

ripon 31
snc 28
1:28 left, and SNC has just one timeout
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:33:48 PM
snc returns the kickoff to the RC 46, add the facemask and SNC starts at the 31!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2012, 04:34:30 PM
Final at Grinell.  Lake Forest wins 33-7!  Big defensive game for the Foresters.  Offense showed up late to maintain control.  Good win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:36:09 PM
one pass to the 1 yard line

1st down -stopped at half yard line
2nd down - TD with :12 left!!!!

PAT good

SNC leads 35-31 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:40:18 PM
ripon kickoff return to its 35 or so

rc got one play, fumbled it away

SNC escapes with the win!

Final
SNC 35
Ripon 31

Ripon 0-3 for the first time since 1987, announcer says
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 04:53:49 PM
Carroll up 48-6 on Knox

and Whitewater lost!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 05:00:06 PM
Final
Carroll 48
Knox 6

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 05:56:15 PM
Beloit at Lawrence about to start at the Banta Bowl.

Pair of winless teams which first met in 1899. Lawrence has only faced Ripon more times than Beloit.

Beloit's last win was last year vs Vikings at Strong Field
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 15, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
Thanks for all of the updates, fulbakdad and gbpuckfan!  That finish to the Ripon/St. Norbert game was crazy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 06:06:30 PM
Lawrence takes opening drive to within the 10 but then it stalls out. FG good

3-0 Vikings
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
3-0 LU end of 1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
LU td pass to Major. pat good

Beloit 0
Lawrence 10
10:36 left second q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
17-0 LU with 3:33 left in first half

I missed the td setting the dinner table... sorry

edit: 37yard screen pass
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 07:11:03 PM
LU stops the Bucs, drives down for a TD pass to Dubnicka (sp?)

24-0 Vikings with 1:28 left first half

Beloit just not getting anything going on either side of the ball.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 07:32:23 PM
27-6 Lawrence at the half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2012, 10:12:34 PM
Final
Beloit 14
'Awrence 38

Stops vikings 10 game losing streak
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2012, 03:20:34 PM


School     Conf    Overall

Carroll      2-0     3-0
Lake Forest    2-0     2-1
St. Norbert    2-0     2-1
Illinois Col.    1-0    2-0
Monmouth    1-0     1-1
Cornell        1-1     1-1
Lawrence     1-2    1-2
Beloit      0-2    0-3
Grinnell     0-2    0-3
Knox      0-2    0-3
Ripon      0-2    0-3

this week:
Carroll @  St. Norbert
Monmouth @  Cornell
Grinnell @ Beloit
Knox @ Lake Forest
Ripon @ Illinois Col.

The biggest game has to be Carroll at SNC. Should be a big crowd at Schneider, as admission is free because of a big event on campus. SNC hasn't looked particularly impressive in either of its wins. Both played Knox, with the Pios more effective against them than the Knights were.

Lake Forest should be able to keep pace with whichever teams wins that game, as the Foresters host the Fire. And either Grinnell or Beloit will fall to 0-3, 0-4.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
I'm most interested in the Monmouth at Cornell game and seeing how the Scots fare in their first trip to Mt. Vernon in a long time (obvious reasons ;))...but as gbpuckfan said, Carroll at St. Norbert looks to be the biggest game of the week.  Both have beaten Knox, but both have also needed last-minute TD's to beat Ripon--which makes me think that should indicate a close game for all 60 minutes in De Pere.  Speaking of the Redhawks, I think it will be interesting to see how they and their rushing attack respond after those 2 near misses in their long road trip down to Jacksonville to visit IC this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 17, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 17, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
I'm most interested in the Monmouth at Cornell game and seeing how the Scots fare in their first trip to Mt. Vernon in a long time (obvious reasons ;))...but as gbpuckfan said, Carroll at St. Norbert looks to be the biggest game of the week.  Both have beaten Knox, but both have also needed last-minute TD's to beat Ripon--which makes me think that should indicate a close game for all 60 minutes in De Pere.  Speaking of the Redhawks, I think it will be interesting to see how they and their rushing attack respond after those 2 near misses in their long road trip down to Jacksonville to visit IC this weekend.

Fixed for you. The Pioneers-Green Knights game is in De Pere again this year thanks to a new schedule rotation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2012, 05:45:36 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on September 17, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 17, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
I'm most interested in the Monmouth at Cornell game and seeing how the Scots fare in their first trip to Mt. Vernon in a long time (obvious reasons ;))...but as gbpuckfan said, Carroll at St. Norbert looks to be the biggest game of the week.  Both have beaten Knox, but both have also needed last-minute TD's to beat Ripon--which makes me think that should indicate a close game for all 60 minutes in De Pere.  Speaking of the Redhawks, I think it will be interesting to see how they and their rushing attack respond after those 2 near misses in their long road trip down to Jacksonville to visit IC this weekend.

Fixed for you. The Pioneers-Green Knights game is in De Pere again this year thanks to a new schedule rotation.

Insert Homer Simpson "Doh!" here. :-[  Thanks for the edit hickory!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on September 17, 2012, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2012, 03:20:34 PM


School     Conf    Overall

Carroll      2-0     3-0
Lake Forest    2-0     2-1
St. Norbert    2-0     2-1
Illinois Col.    1-0    2-0
Monmouth    1-0     1-1
Cornell        1-1     1-1
Lawrence     1-2    1-2
Beloit      0-2    0-3
Grinnell     0-2    0-3
Knox      0-2    0-3
Ripon      0-2    0-3

this week:
Carroll @  St. Norbert
Monmouth @  Cornell
Grinnell @ Beloit
Knox @ Lake Forest
Ripon @ Illinois Col.

The biggest game has to be Carroll at SNC. Should be a big crowd at Schneider, as admission is free because of a big event on campus. SNC hasn't looked particularly impressive in either of its wins. Both played Knox, with the Pios more effective against them than the Knights were.

Lake Forest should be able to keep pace with whichever teams wins that game, as the Foresters host the Fire. And either Grinnell or Beloit will fall to 0-3, 0-4.

Cornell is actually 1-0 in conference...unless I missed something and Coe is back in the MWC as well! Obviously I am most interested in the Cornell game this week, but will be keeping a close eye on that Carroll vs SN game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 17, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
So after 3 games, I'll give this review of Lake Forest.

After watching or attending all of last years games, I couldn't think of anything except the team would continue to find a way to lose games.  Last year, they seemed like they had moments of awesomeness, but then would follow that by a play or two of failure.  That doesn't seem to be happening this year.  I think you can relate that to the Head Coach now actually being firmly in place.  I questioned the interum tag placed on him last year.  How do you try to recruit with that hanging over your head.  Now that is off and they have the largest Freshman recruiting class in memory and the largest roster ever.  What that has brought to the field is compitition for every spot.  They are still very young, but getting better every game.

There are a couple veterans that are KEY players bringing them forward.  Scaffidi is the top of the list.  Having a Senior Qb at the helm was big in the first three games.  Last game after sputtering for the first half, when they got ahead in the second, he showed great poise slowing everything down, using every second of every play. 

On the Defensive side of the ball, they are young and hungry.  I watched games last year and hated the fact that most tackles seemed like just guiding the player to the ground.  I know, it's like watching recievers catch a ball and run out of bounds!  Disgusting!  This year it's been refreshing to see the defense attacking the other teams offenses.

Offensive line has been a pleasant surprise.  Only one player has any significant playing experience from last year.  I thought that was going to be the big concern.  But they have really stepped up and done well.

On the negative and positive side is the kicking game.  They have a new kicker who is doing both punting and kickoff/field goal duties.  He is really kicking the hell out of the ball on kickoffs and has been very effective on punting.  But they are struggling with PAT's.  There hasn't been a field goal try yet.  Hopefully this will get fixed.  It hasn't been all his fault with a couple blocks thrown in.

Each week the coaching staff has been posting a highlight film on thier blog of the past weeks games.  If anyone want's to see them I can post links.

One things for sure and I think the rest of the league will see in the upcomming weeks.  This isn't the same team from the last couple years.

Looking forward to the rest of the season!

The Gunny says!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2012, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: Ash Park on September 17, 2012, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2012, 03:20:34 PM


School     Conf    Overall

Carroll      2-0     3-0
Lake Forest    2-0     2-1
St. Norbert    2-0     2-1
Illinois Col.    1-0    2-0
Monmouth    1-0     1-1
Cornell        1-1     1-1
Lawrence     1-2    1-2
Beloit      0-2    0-3
Grinnell     0-2    0-3
Knox      0-2    0-3
Ripon      0-2    0-3

this week:
Carroll @  St. Norbert
Monmouth @  Cornell
Grinnell @ Beloit
Knox @ Lake Forest
Ripon @ Illinois Col.

The biggest game has to be Carroll at SNC. Should be a big crowd at Schneider, as admission is free because of a big event on campus. SNC hasn't looked particularly impressive in either of its wins. Both played Knox, with the Pios more effective against them than the Knights were.

Lake Forest should be able to keep pace with whichever teams wins that game, as the Foresters host the Fire. And either Grinnell or Beloit will fall to 0-3, 0-4.

Cornell is actually 1-0 in conference...unless I missed something and Coe is back in the MWC as well! Obviously I am most interested in the Cornell game this week, but will be keeping a close eye on that Carroll vs SN game.

hmph. I just cut and pasted the standings from the league website.... thanks
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 19, 2012, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 17, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
So after 3 games, I'll give this review of Lake Forest.

After watching or attending all of last years games, I couldn't think of anything except the team would continue to find a way to lose games.  Last year, they seemed like they had moments of awesomeness, but then would follow that by a play or two of failure.  That doesn't seem to be happening this year.  I think you can relate that to the Head Coach now actually being firmly in place.  I questioned the interum tag placed on him last year.  How do you try to recruit with that hanging over your head.  Now that is off and they have the largest Freshman recruiting class in memory and the largest roster ever.  What that has brought to the field is compitition for every spot.  They are still very young, but getting better every game.

There are a couple veterans that are KEY players bringing them forward.  Scaffidi is the top of the list.  Having a Senior Qb at the helm was big in the first three games.  Last game after sputtering for the first half, when they got ahead in the second, he showed great poise slowing everything down, using every second of every play. 

On the Defensive side of the ball, they are young and hungry.  I watched games last year and hated the fact that most tackles seemed like just guiding the player to the ground.  I know, it's like watching recievers catch a ball and run out of bounds!  Disgusting!  This year it's been refreshing to see the defense attacking the other teams offenses.

Offensive line has been a pleasant surprise.  Only one player has any significant playing experience from last year.  I thought that was going to be the big concern.  But they have really stepped up and done well.

On the negative and positive side is the kicking game.  They have a new kicker who is doing both punting and kickoff/field goal duties.  He is really kicking the hell out of the ball on kickoffs and has been very effective on punting.  But they are struggling with PAT's.  There hasn't been a field goal try yet.  Hopefully this will get fixed.  It hasn't been all his fault with a couple blocks thrown in.

Each week the coaching staff has been posting a highlight film on thier blog of the past weeks games.  If anyone want's to see them I can post links.

One things for sure and I think the rest of the league will see in the upcomming weeks.  This isn't the same team from the last couple years.

Looking forward to the rest of the season!

The Gunny says!

Looks like they are building some confidence in Lake Forest.  I think this is the team to watch within the conference.  LF should win big this week against Knox.  Then things get interesting:  @ Carroll, vs. Illinois College, and @ Monmouth.  Should be a fun conference race.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 21, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
Not alot of chatter this week.  I think we all must be in awe of fulbakdad's 3-game assessment. ;)  Anyways, here we go!

Week 4

Carroll at St. Norbert - SNC
Grinnell at Beloit - GC
Knox at Lake Forest - LFC
Monmouth at Cornell - MC
Ripon at Illinois C. - IC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 21, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
Showed up at the airport and while in the tsa security line I realized i didn't have my drivers license in my wallet.  After my 5 minute panic attack I thought to see if my state id's might get me through!  Thank god they did.  Otherwise there wouldn't have been a 4th week assesment! Lol.  Go Lake Forest!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 21, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
Mav.  I'm gonna go with Beloit.  With you on the others
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 21, 2012, 02:13:07 PM
Week 4

Carroll at St. Norbert - Carroll
Grinnell at Beloit - GC
Knox at Lake Forest - LFC
Monmouth at Cornell - MC
Ripon at Illinois C. - IC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 21, 2012, 02:25:10 PM
Week 4

Carroll at St. Norbert - Carroll
Grinnell at Beloit - Beloit
Knox at Lake Forest - LFC
Monmouth at Cornell - MC
Ripon at Illinois C. - RC - First win of the season, starts the climb back to the top, Ripon finishes the season with only the 3 losses they have right now!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on September 21, 2012, 02:44:14 PM
I am going with Cornell beating Monmouth in Mt. Vernon. Happy Tailgating everyone...should be another beautiful day for football!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 21, 2012, 03:19:21 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 21, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
Mav.  I'm gonna go with Beloit.  With you on the others

Well at least you'll get 4 out of 5 right then. ;)

Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 21, 2012, 02:25:10 PM
Ripon at Illinois C. - RC - First win of the season, starts the climb back to the top, Ripon finishes the season with only the 3 losses they have right now!!!!

You may be onto something--with the road upset at IC (not the part about finishing the season with only the 3 losses they have right now, the Scots are still ahead on the schedule! ;D).  Back to RC vs. IC...picking the Redhawks was something I had considered also, but decided to play it safe and stick with the Blueboys at home.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 21, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
For what it's worth, here are Massey's predictions for tomorrow's MWC games (http://www.masseyratings.com/game):

Illinois College 48  Ripon 28 (IC has 93% chance of winning)
Carroll 20  St. Norbert 17 (Carroll has 60% chance of winning)
Grinnell 24  Beloit 21  (Grinnell has 57% chance of winning)
Lake Forest 41  Knox 20  (Lake Forest has 94% chance of winning)
Monmouth 34  Cornell 27 (Monmouth has 71% chance of winning)

We'll see how accurate their model is for this week's games. 

Maverick -- if it's right, you might have some tense moments tomorrow!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 21, 2012, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 21, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
For what it's worth, here are Massey's predictions for tomorrow's MWC games (http://www.masseyratings.com/game):

Illinois College 48  Ripon 28 (IC has 93% chance of winning)
Carroll 20  St. Norbert 17 (Carroll has 60% chance of winning)
Grinnell 24  Beloit 21  (Grinnell has 57% chance of winning)
Lake Forest 41  Knox 20  (Lake Forest has 94% chance of winning)
Monmouth 34  Cornell 27 (Monmouth has 71% chance of winning)

We'll see how accurate their model is for this week's games. 

Maverick -- if it's right, you might have some tense moments tomorrow!!

All your picks match up with the Massey Ratings...now we know where you go for choices. :D

Good thing I didn't bet the big money on tomorrow's games if it's gonna get too tense!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 21, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
I've gotta say, the board is much more civil this year than last.  Am I getting set up?

LOL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 22, 2012, 08:43:09 AM
I'm definitely interested in the Carroll/St. Norbert score today.  If Carroll can win today, they should have a great chance to roll into Jacksonville, IL on the last week of the season at 9-0.  Here is a look at their remaining schedule:

vs.  Lake Forest College    
@   Lawrence University   
vs.  Grinnell College   
@   Cornell College   
vs.  Beloit College    
@   Illinois College

It's early, but from what I've seen so far, only Lake Forest looks to have a good chance to knock them off.  And Carroll gets them at home next week.  They also have the advantage of not playing Monmouth this year.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2012, 02:35:06 PM
End of the first at Lake Forest.  Lake Forest 6 Knox 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 03:10:06 PM
Halftime

Monmouth 14
Cornell 6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
End of the half.  Knox up 13 to 6.  Lake Forest stopped on 4th and 1 at the 6....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on September 22, 2012, 03:22:39 PM
Monmouth 14 Cornell 6 at the half....lets go Rams get it done in the 2nd half!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
Cornell just blocked a punt and returned it for a TD.  Still in the 3rd quarter...

Monmouth 14
Cornell 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 03:52:05 PM
Scots answer with a FG.  Still in the 3rd quarter...

Monmouth 17
Cornell 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:02:17 PM
6-yard TD run by Yocum for the Scots.  1:41 left in the 3rd quarter...

Monmouth 24
Cornell 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2012, 04:05:13 PM
End of the third.  Lake forest up 20 to 13 and marching.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
Change that to and scoring.  Now up 27 to 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:10:01 PM
6-yard TD run by Hall for the Rams.  15 seconds left in the 3rd quarter...

Monmouth 24
Cornell 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
End of the 3rd quarter

Monmouth 24
Cornell 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 04:14:37 PM
SNC leads Carroll 21-14 early 4th quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:25:33 PM
Wedekind with a 4-yard TD run for the Scots.  Yocum did alot of the damage on that drive.  8:15 left in the 4th quarter...

Monmouth 31
Cornell 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2012, 04:33:37 PM
Lake Forest drives and scores another td after the defense held knox on a fourth and 3.  Lfc now up 34-13 with 4 minutes left in the game. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:39:11 PM
Cornell with another blocked punt. >:(  2 plays later, Flores TD pass to Cox...2-pt. conversion is good.  2:25 left in the 4th quarter...

Monmouth 31
Cornell 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:45:12 PM
Scots recover the onside kick attempt, are able to pick up a first down, and run out the clock.

Monmouth 31
Cornell 28

FINAL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2012, 04:46:49 PM
Final in the Forest.  LFC 34-knox 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
SNC and CU tied at 21-21

SNC just intercepted the ball at their own 20 with just 1:22 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:48:44 PM
Anyone got an update on Ripon vs. IC?  Or Grinnell vs. Beloit?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
SNC forced to punt.

:28 left. CU ball at own 35
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 04:55:35 PM
overtime in de pere
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 04:58:35 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 22, 2012, 04:48:44 PM
Anyone got an update on Ripon vs. IC?  Or Grinnell vs. Beloit?

I can't get the live feed to load for either team...  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:03:52 PM
SNC ball first in OT

25-yard td pass on the first play to the back corner of the end zone. PAT good.

28-21, Pios (first) overtime posession to come
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:09:15 PM
On 3rd down, there's a Carroll fumble on the snap and SNC recovers

:D

And there is your dagger!

Final/OT
Carroll 21
St. Norbert 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:12:28 PM
Final
Grinnell 13
Beloit 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 22, 2012, 06:26:35 PM
Thanks for the all of the updates, I think!  Two blocked punts....really??   >:(  Oh well, on to the next victim.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 22, 2012, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this post.  I'll just leave it at this though: Illinois College has beaten Ripon now 3 consecutive years.  You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 23, 2012, 06:59:00 AM
Now I have a few minutes to write about the Lake Forest/Knox game yesterday.  The first half went back and forth but I thought Lake Forest seemed to have the advantage on the Offensive side, and definately on the Defensive side.  The Knox Qb was running for his life a lot of the game.  Some stupid penalties (one by my son) kept them closer than it seemed.  The Lake Forest Defense was pumped up by the Knox coach calling them out the day before in an interview.  He said Lake Forest was only a good "statistical" defense and he planned to run all over them.  Well guess that didn't work cuz he only had 60 yard rushing all day.  With today's media, you'd think coaches would know this stuff by now.  It was also the day they were honoring the 2002 Lake Forest championship team that he coached!  I would have chosen my words better......

Scaffidi ran a good offense yesterday.going 22 of 34, 271 yards, 2 td's and one int.  He was poised and confident.  The O line played thier best game yet.  Giving Scaffide time to throw and then getting a definate push on run plays.  Lake Forest ran for 280 yards led by Freshman Joey Valdivia's 81 yards, one of his rushes carrying half of the Knox secondary.  He's gonna be a good one.

The Defense was solid all around.  I am very impressed with this linebacking corps.  They have 4 very good starters and a couple others that would probably be starting on other teams.  They've been all showing up for the games and each taking a turn at grabbing the game star.  Yesterday the two outside guys were just tearing after the Knox QB and the insiders weren't giving much up.  The secondary did well too.  It's a totally different Defense than what I've watched before.

Hats off to the Knox middle linebacker #52, Hendricks I think.  He's all over the field.  There was one play that he blitzed Scaffidi and just missed a sack/blocked pass, then got up and ran down the reciever who caught the ball for the tackle.  Very impressive player. 

On a side note, there were a number of key players on the sideline for Lake Forest.  I was told that most will be back in the next couple weeks....

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 23, 2012, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 22, 2012, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this post.  I'll just leave it at this though: Illinois College has beaten Ripon now 3 consecutive years.  You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

You are correct, for that I apologize as i was writing fast, had things to do.  But that is the ONLY inaccuracy in that post.  The rest is true.  And that can't be argued, coaching staff is classless..  Haven't seen one post argue that....  Because it's true!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 23, 2012, 11:01:25 AM

Lake Forest
3-0    3-1

St. Norbert
3-0    3-1

Illinois Col.
2-0    3-0

Monmouth
2-0     2-1

Carroll
2-1     3-1

Cornell
1-1     1-2

Lawrence
1-2     1-2

Grinnell
1-2     1-3

Beloit
0-3     0-4

Knox
0-3     0-4

Ripon 
0-3     0-4


Three big games this week:
* two of the conference undefeateds meet: SNC & Monmouth meet in Illinois
* unbeaten Lake Forest travels to Carroll, which needs a win to stay in the race
* undefeated IC hosts Lawrence, which gets it first big test

And on the other end, either Ripon or Knox get their first win. The other circles Beloit on their schedule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 23, 2012, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 22, 2012, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this post.  I'll just leave it at this though: Illinois College has beaten Ripon now 3 consecutive years.  You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

You are correct, for that I apologize as i was writing fast, had things to do.  But that is the ONLY inaccuracy in that post.  The rest is true.  And that can't be argued, coaching staff is classless..  Haven't seen one post argue that....  Because it's true!

Only inaccuracy?  So you have access to a replay system and can see that Ripon crossed the goal line on both 4th and goal plays?  From where I was sitting, the first 4th and goal looked awfully close.  I have no idea if Ripon got into the endzone, but it must have within inches.  On the second instance, the back was stood up and driven back as soon as he touched the ball.  That one didn't look like a TD at all, but I'm sure you are right.  The officials must just be in collusion against Ripon.  How else could you be 0-4?

Also, Illinois College did not originally go for 2 following their last touchdown, as you implied.  They attempted the standard kick conversion, but the snap was mishandled and led to a scum in which Ripon was called for a facemask, moving the ball to the 1 1/2 yard line.  Now, I certainly would not have gone for 2 in this situation, but Coach Campbell decided to.  I can think of at least one reason why he would do so, and it has nothing about running up the score.  Again, I would have just kicked the point after again, but you probably should be more upset with your defense.  This 2 point conversion came after Illinois College's scout team ran about 6 times right down the throat of Ripon's first team D.  Then the D gets called for a personal foul - facemask during the conversion.  You can be frustrated with the loss, but at least be accurate with your description of the circumstances.   

And for the record, I was pretty impressed with Ripon yesterday.  If they can take care of the ball like they did against Illinois College, I think they'll win at least 5 out of their last 6 games. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 01:05:49 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 21, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
For what it's worth, here are Massey's predictions for tomorrow's MWC games (http://www.masseyratings.com/game):

Illinois College 48  Ripon 28 (IC has 93% chance of winning)
Carroll 20  St. Norbert 17 (Carroll has 60% chance of winning)
Grinnell 24  Beloit 21  (Grinnell has 57% chance of winning)
Lake Forest 41  Knox 20  (Lake Forest has 94% chance of winning)
Monmouth 34  Cornell 27 (Monmouth has 71% chance of winning)

We'll see how accurate their model is for this week's games. 

Maverick -- if it's right, you might have some tense moments tomorrow!!

Massey's model was incredibly accurate for this week's game.  It called 4 of the 5 winners -- it was only off on St. Norbert's OT win over Carroll.  It was very close on the score of Monmouth/Cornell (off 4 total points), IC/Ripon (off 9 total points), and pretty close on LF/Knox (off 14 total points).  Grinnell won by 6 points, as opposed to the 3 point margin of victory predicted by Massey.  Pretty cool tool - at least for one week! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 01:18:01 PM
I've got a question for the board.  Obviously, there is still a long, long way to go in the season, but I'm wondering what would happen should this scenario plays out.  I can't seem to find anything on the Midwest Conference website.

Both St. Norbert and Illinois College are undefeated in conference on the early season.  These two teams don't play each other this year, due to the unbalanced schedule.  Should these two teams run the table and finish undefeated in conference, what is the Pool A tiebreaker?  This situation could also potentially occur for Monmouth/Carroll (who don't play) if Carroll wins out, Monmouth loses one game, and everyone else loses at least twice, etc.

Does anyone know what the tiebreaker is?  Again, there is a long way to go and the odds are low but could make things interesting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 23, 2012, 02:18:49 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 01:18:01 PM
I've got a question for the board.  Obviously, there is still a long, long way to go in the season, but I'm wondering what would happen should this scenario plays out.  I can't seem to find anything on the Midwest Conference website.

Both St. Norbert and Illinois College are undefeated in conference on the early season.  These two teams don't play each other this year, due to the unbalanced schedule.  Should these two teams run the table and finish undefeated in conference, what is the Pool A tiebreaker?  This situation could also potentially occur for Monmouth/Carroll (who don't play) if Carroll wins out, Monmouth loses one game, and everyone else loses at least twice, etc.

Does anyone know what the tiebreaker is?  Again, there is a long way to go and the odds are low but could make things interesting.

I would be surprised if any tiebreakers were considered for a scenario like that when this goofy unbalanced schedule was designed.  I don't know for sure, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 23, 2012, 05:07:04 PM
Let's make it more interesting.  What if Lake Forest beats both of them?

I can think positive can't I?

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 23, 2012, 05:10:43 PM
I will also try to find out, however, it would not be unprecedented.

I believe it was 1985 when SNC played Coe in the title game after the league split into divisions. The teams tied. But this was before the league a provision for settling ties so it was a 7-7 game final.

when the Big Ten had an unbalanced round robin, it used to have provisions for using overall record and longest period since appearance in Rose Bowl for deciding who would get that bid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 23, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
According to the amazing SNC SID Dan Lukes (with the incredibly quick response), the tiebreaker is quarters led.

I believe that was one of them before with the full round robin. He didn't say it, so I'm guessing point differential comes after that, because IIRC that was on the list before.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 23, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
According to the amazing SNC SID Dan Lukes (with the incredibly quick response), the tiebreaker is quarters led.

I believe that was one of them before with the full round robin. He didn't say it, so I'm guessing point differential comes after that, because IIRC that was on the list before.

Thanks to you and Mr. Lukes!  Good to know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 23, 2012, 05:07:04 PM
Let's make it more interesting.  What if Lake Forest beats both of them?

I can think positive can't I?

:)

If that happens, I'm guessing there would be no controversy -- the Forresters would be playoff bound!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2012, 09:34:25 PM
If total-quarters-lead also results in a tie, I think the tie-breaker should be a the closest guess to the number of texts by the IC coaching staff this year.  Of course, if IC is one of the teams in the tie-breaker, they would probably have the closest guess.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 23, 2012, 09:34:25 PM
If total-quarters-lead also results in a tie, I think the tie-breaker should be a the closest guess to the number of texts by the IC coaching staff this year.  Of course, if IC is one of the teams in the tie-breaker, they would probably have the closest guess.   ;)

Wouldn't the answer to that be 0? :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 24, 2012, 09:00:45 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 23, 2012, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 22, 2012, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 22, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Final
Illinois College 46
Ripon 21

Few bad calls with Ripon on the 1 inch line TWICE!!! (they scored both of those)  But what i really want to speak about is the complete lack of class from the IC coaching staffing.  To put in their scout team to run Ripons Offense and then to go for two...  They had the win, they out played Ripon, but to pull that, pour program!  I would give credit were credit is due, but to watch something like that makes me sick.  I feel bad for the players at IC to play for a chicken sh!t coach like that.  Horrible leaders at IC.  Learn to win with Class!  Just because it's been ages since you beat Ripon, doesn't mean you win without class.     

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this post.  I'll just leave it at this though: Illinois College has beaten Ripon now 3 consecutive years.  You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

You are correct, for that I apologize as i was writing fast, had things to do.  But that is the ONLY inaccuracy in that post.  The rest is true.  And that can't be argued, coaching staff is classless..  Haven't seen one post argue that....  Because it's true!

Only inaccuracy?  So you have access to a replay system and can see that Ripon crossed the goal line on both 4th and goal plays?  From where I was sitting, the first 4th and goal looked awfully close.  I have no idea if Ripon got into the endzone, but it must have within inches.  On the second instance, the back was stood up and driven back as soon as he touched the ball.  That one didn't look like a TD at all, but I'm sure you are right.  The officials must just be in collusion against Ripon.  How else could you be 0-4?

Also, Illinois College did not originally go for 2 following their last touchdown, as you implied.  They attempted the standard kick conversion, but the snap was mishandled and led to a scum in which Ripon was called for a facemask, moving the ball to the 1 1/2 yard line.  Now, I certainly would not have gone for 2 in this situation, but Coach Campbell decided to.  I can think of at least one reason why he would do so, and it has nothing about running up the score.  Again, I would have just kicked the point after again, but you probably should be more upset with your defense.  This 2 point conversion came after Illinois College's scout team ran about 6 times right down the throat of Ripon's first team D.  Then the D gets called for a personal foul - facemask during the conversion.  You can be frustrated with the loss, but at least be accurate with your description of the circumstances.   

And for the record, I was pretty impressed with Ripon yesterday.  If they can take care of the ball like they did against Illinois College, I think they'll win at least 5 out of their last 6 games.

I'll wave the white flag here  :o, I don't think we'll agree with the 4th and inches that didn't end in a score.  On a side note, I actually do have access to rewind to rewatch a play, but that is for a different post.  I am also not saying that if they scored those two TD's there would be a change in the out come.  Still need to stop the ball when it counts.  We have lost 2 games with scores in under 1 minute.  I thank you for the confidence you show for the rest of Ripon's season.  I think it comes down to the players not giving up and wanting to end the season on a high note.  The good news is they are close to coming away with a W, it's just fallen short a few times. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2012, 02:04:57 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on September 23, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 23, 2012, 09:34:25 PM
If total-quarters-lead also results in a tie, I think the tie-breaker should be a the closest guess to the number of texts by the IC coaching staff this year.  Of course, if IC is one of the teams in the tie-breaker, they would probably have the closest guess.   ;)

Wouldn't the answer to that be 0? :)

I dunno.....would it be 0????     ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on September 26, 2012, 12:46:36 PM
Any tips on tailgating in Beloit?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 26, 2012, 04:25:58 PM
Yes.  Ask for a guy named The Roop.  He'll likely have fresh bear meat (with choke wounds) on the grill and the cheerleaders will not be far away.  (Think "most interesting man in the world" type of stuff....) He will offer you something to drink from an unlabeled bottle.  Bring a cup and dilute one part of his drink with ten parts water.  You will still be dizzy during most of the game but you feel like a million bucks the next day. 

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 26, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
This week's Massey ratings (out of a total of 240 D3 teams) and change from last week.  As a warning, they aren't pretty.  Overall, the conference is rated #34 out of 35 conferences. 

Illinois College     130    -8
Monmouth          171    -16
Lake Forest        180   +5
St. Norbert         191   -2
Cornell               199   -11
Carroll                200   -26      
Lawrence           216   -2
Ripon                  221   -3      
Grinnell               222   +3      
Beloit                  228   +1      
Knox                  235   -3      
   
and here is Massey's score predictions and odds of winning for Saturday (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf&yr=2012&sub=11620).  I promise my picks won't look identical this week.

Illinois College 48, Lawrence  30 (IC 92%, LU 8%)
Monmouth 28, St. Norbert 21 (MC 79%, SNC 21%)
Cornell 31, Beloit 16 (CC 88%, BC 12%)
Ripon 41, Knox 28 (RC 85%, KC 15%)
Lake Forest 20,  Carroll 17  (LFC 59%, CU 41%)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2012, 05:58:42 AM
Should be an interesting week.  I say Lake Forest 28 Carroll 14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 28, 2012, 07:58:09 AM
I'm going:

IC 52  Lawrence 28
St. Norbert 24  Monmouth 21
Cornell 35  Beloit 10
Ripon 38  Knox 13
Lake Forest 27  Carroll 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2012, 03:30:56 PM
scottie - Fantastic idea...tailgating with The Roop and his "Mount Monmouth" sweatshirt. ;)

I wonder if TP's Massey Predictions will work out again this week or not...here's what I'm going with!

Week 5

Cornell at Beloit - CC
Knox at Ripon - RC
Lake Forest at Carroll - CU
Lawrence at Illinois C. - IC
St. Norbert at Monmouth - MC

Looking forward to being there in person for a great day of football in the Maple City!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on September 29, 2012, 05:51:22 AM
Another perfect day for tailgating in Beloit! Go Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2012, 02:01:11 PM
anyone else watching SNC/Monmouth?

Is the video quality less-than-great? Very fuzzy...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2012, 02:57:26 PM
SNC 0
Monmouth 14
3:16 left first half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
halftime
Scots lead 24-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2012, 05:20:56 PM
Halftime at Carroll.  Carroll 3-Lake Forest 0.  Defensive game on both sides.  Carroll had the ball down at the 2 with a first down call for Defensive pass interferance and couldn't punch it in.  Had to settle for a field goal.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2012, 06:57:12 PM
Second half at Carroll was very exciting.  Back and forth.  But I've got to say, if you're behind, in the fourth quarter, I want Pete Scaffidi controlling my offense.  Lake Forest scored with 5 minutes left and the defense holds on.  Lake Forest 13 Carroll 10!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2012, 07:23:04 PM
finals

Lawrence   20
at Illinois Col.   56

Knox   17
at Ripon  42

St. Norbert    9
at Monmouth   31


Cornell   48
at Beloit   8
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2012, 12:50:08 AM
Quote from an IC fan on a different message board after today's win over Lawrence..."I would be VERY surprised if they don't go into the playoffs undefeated, even with the game at Monmouth."  Looks like the fans of the Blueboys aren't too worried about the trip to Lake Forest next weekend.  Hey fulbakdad, tell the Foresters they don't even need to bother showing up for the defeat that IC is going to hand out to them since apparently the only game on the radar is the one 4 weeks from now at Monmouth. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 30, 2012, 05:30:17 AM
That's an interesting qoute.  While they are averaging 50 points a game, I remember when Monmouth came to the Forest last year.  It came down to the last couple minutes of a back and forth game for them to win.  And this is a totally different defense......

I have been very impressed with Lake Forest this year.  Not just the winning of 4 games, but the attitude of the team.  The defense has been playing with a chip on thier shoulder.  What I really like is if you look at all 5 games this year, you'll see there has been somebody different each week who is leading the stats.  Yesterday it was the DB Dobernig.  He was all over the field.  In the past weeks it's been Jones, or Price, or Dillon or ... They are playing tough, in your face defense.  I really don't think it will be a cake walk for the Blue Boys.  I wonder if they'll be tip toeing out of bounds!  Please say it's so. LOL.

Scaffidi is very quietly leading the offense with poise and confidence.  His stats aren't up there like they were last year, but he's one cool cat.  There have been 3 or 4 must score drives this year where he's marched them down the field and finished. 

I'm looking forward to making another Chicago trip next weekend.  I'll be sure to pass on the info.  I know a couple guys on the D that will be interested to hear that.

PS-I should really change my screen name from fulbakdad to Lbdad, but if I did, I'm afraid you guys wouldn't know who to yell at.  :)  The boy switched sides of the ball last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 30, 2012, 06:34:49 AM
Quote from: Maverick on September 30, 2012, 12:50:08 AM
Quote from an IC fan on a different message board after today's win over Lawrence..."I would be VERY surprised if they don't go into the playoffs undefeated, even with the game at Monmouth."  Looks like the fans of the Blueboys aren't too worried about the trip to Lake Forest next weekend.  Hey fulbakdad, tell the Foresters they don't even need to bother showing up for the defeat that IC is going to hand out to them since apparently the only game on the radar is the one 4 weeks from now at Monmouth. ;)

That's why fans, especially ones on message boards, don't play the games.  I'm sure the IC players and coaches are plenty aware of the challenges Lake Forest will present next Saturday in Chicago.  Thanks for stirring the pot though.  Glad to see Monmouth finally decided to come to play yesterday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2012, 03:58:47 PM
fulbakdad - If you do switch it up and go with your alias of Lbdad, we will know who to yell at now that you've notified us...actually, I think most of us would've been able to figure it out anyways. ;)

TitanPride - I'm also sure the IC program is aware of what's ahead of them next weekend at Lake Forest.  As a fan/former player, I was just looking to have some fun on the board and stir the pot...so you caught me there. 8-)  As for the Monmouth comment, I agree--they didn't do much to impress during their first 3 games, but they still managed to win their MWC games and looked pretty good (especially the defensive side of the ball) in beating St. Norbert yesterday.  They have some new players replacing key pieces who graduated last year (on offense and defense) and appear to be gaining some confidence as they move forward.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 30, 2012, 06:35:31 PM
Yeah, as mentioned before, it was one fan on one message board that doesn't even specialize in d3 sports.  Plus, I think "bulletin board material" is highly overrated anyway.  I'm sure both IC and Lake Forest will be plenty motivated next week and it won't have anything to do with what is posted here or on any other boards.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2012, 12:08:53 AM
I think that LF should just mail it in next week.  IC is clearly unstoppable so it is just a question about whether the LF defense cares about giving up 50 the hard way or giving up 70 and reducing injuries.  Save your strength for a much more likely win at Monmouth the following week and then enjoy your second place finish in the MWC.  It's a Blueboy World and the rest of us are just playoff tuneups. 

Hopelessly submitted,

Scottie  :'(   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 01, 2012, 08:36:16 AM
Sarcasm aside, I think Lake Forest's defense will have to continue to step up their game if they want to slow down IC's offense.  They gave up 35 points in Week 1 to a good offense in Concordia and haven't really been tested since.  Illinois College's lowest output of the season has been 46, which came against the ball control specialist, Ripon.  Much like Lake Forest's D, I don't think IC has really played a good defense yet.  However, looking back at last year (many of the same offensive players), IC put up 48 on St. Norbert's vaunted D.  So I think the keys to the game will be turnovers (of course) and the Lake Forest offense's ability to the control ball and put up 30-40 points. 

I think it's going to be a great game.  I really can't wait.  Calling for highs in the mid 40's on Saturday -- football weather.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2012, 10:46:47 AM
 Yeah, but if you look at last year, IC's offense only put up 14 against Monmouth.  And Monmouth always tip toes out of bounds against Lake Forest - probably on offense AND defense.  So, I'm really confused as to how this game will play out.  Game of the Decade, without question.  "Titanic" to say the very least.  Good luck to all of the gladiators involved. ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 01, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 01, 2012, 10:46:47 AM
Yeah, but if you look at last year, IC's offense only put up 14 against Monmouth.  And Monmouth always tip toes out of bounds against Lake Forest - probably on offense AND defense.  So, I'm really confused as to how this game will play out.  Game of the Decade, without question.  "Titanic" to say the very least.  Good luck to all of the gladiators involved. ;)

That's what 5 interceptions will do to an offense. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 01, 2012, 08:36:20 PM
I've got a question maybe someone here could answer.  It's about stats.  When the game ends the stats are published.  Many of the stats are wrong more so for the visiting team.  Tackles, sacks, and others are given to the wrong player.  I've seen that some coaches clean this up and adjust them after watching film.  But they never get fixed at the league level.  Anyone know why not?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 01, 2012, 09:18:30 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 01, 2012, 08:36:20 PM
I've got a question maybe someone here could answer.  It's about stats.  When the game ends the stats are published.  Many of the stats are wrong more so for the visiting team.  Tackles, sacks, and others are given to the wrong player.  I've seen that some coaches clean this up and adjust them after watching film.  But they never get fixed at the league level.  Anyone know why not?

Great question.  I've always wondered the same thing.  During his sophomore year, my brother, a WR, would always have his catches given to the player with the same number who played defense. ???  It was never corrected at the MWC level. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 01, 2012, 10:12:33 PM
This week's Massey ratings (out of a total of 240 D3 teams) and change from last week. 

Illinois College     117    +13
Monmouth          145    +25
Lake Forest        172   +8
Cornell               182   +17
St. Norbert         195   -4
Carroll                203   -3       
Lawrence           214   +2
Ripon                  217   +4       
Grinnell               222   0       
Beloit                  229   -1       
Knox                  234   +1       
   
and here is Massey's score predictions and odds of winning for Saturday (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf&yr=2012&sub=11620). 

Illinois College 35, Lake Forest  23 (IC 83%, LFC 17%)
Monmouth 31, Grinnell 12 (MC 93%, GC 7%)
Cornell 31, St. Norbert 24 (CC 72%, SNC 28%)
Beloit 31, Knox 28 (BC 55%, KC 45%)
Carroll 28,  Lawrence 26  (CU 53%, LU 47%)

Who would have thought at the beginning of the year that Cornell would be "favored" over St. Norbert? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on October 02, 2012, 06:52:25 PM
Go Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 02, 2012, 09:12:14 PM
Lake Forest has nothing to lose.  IC is ranked higher, has a much better team (Well some think so anyways), and should win with ease.  I like the odds.  I think when the 82nd Airborne was surrounded at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge the General in charge was asked to reply to a surrender request.  His response was NUTS!  Chesty Puller was surrounded at the Chosin Reservoir and was asked what he was going to do.  His response was "this makes it easy, I can attack in all directions!" 

Go Foresters!  Beat IC!

By they way, I heard there were Secret Service Agents on Campus this week.  They were asked to put in Cell Phone Blocking devices around campus.  This is being done in hope the IC Coach doesn't try to use unfair texting techniques to steal future recruits or current players!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2012, 10:25:07 PM
C A N   Y O U   H E A R   M E   N O W ? ? ? ? ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 02, 2012, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 01, 2012, 10:12:33 PM
This week's Massey ratings (out of a total of 240 D3 teams) and change from last week. 

Illinois College     117    +13
Monmouth          145    +25
Lake Forest        172   +8
Cornell               182   +17
St. Norbert         195   -4
Carroll                203   -3       
Lawrence           214   +2
Ripon                  217   +4       
Grinnell               222   0       
Beloit                  229   -1       
Knox                  234   +1       
   
and here is Massey's score predictions and odds of winning for Saturday (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf&yr=2012&sub=11620). 

Illinois College 35, Lake Forest  23 (IC 83%, LFC 17%)
Monmouth 31, Grinnell 12 (MC 93%, GC 7%)
Cornell 31, St. Norbert 24 (CC 72%, SNC 28%)
Beloit 31, Knox 28 (BC 55%, KC 45%)
Carroll 28,  Lawrence 26  (CU 53%, LU 47%)

Who would have thought at the beginning of the year that Cornell would be "favored" over St. Norbert?

No kidding!  (I know they are not favored in the "public opinion") Lots of excitement on the hilltop with homecoming this week and Rams coming off a good win at Beloit. I know SNC will be ready to play...really looking forward to watching this game! If the Rams play as well as they did last weekend I believe they will get the W. Go Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 03, 2012, 07:23:18 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 02, 2012, 09:12:14 PM
Lake Forest has nothing to lose.  IC is ranked higher, has a much better team (Well some think so anyways), and should win with ease.  I like the odds.  I think when the 82nd Airborne was surrounded at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge the General in charge was asked to reply to a surrender request.  His response was NUTS!  Chesty Puller was surrounded at the Chosin Reservoir and was asked what he was going to do.  His response was "this makes it easy, I can attack in all directions!" 

Go Foresters!  Beat IC!

I wish Saturday would get here so we can find out who actually is better.  It's the MWC's 1st ranked offense against the MWC's 1st ranked defense.  IC hasn't given up a sack all year, and while LF is number 1 overall and against the rush, they are #9 against the pass.  I'm interested to see if they can get pressure on Bates and how they handle IC's balanced passing attack.  Also lost in the shuffle, Cecil Brimmage, who ran for 340 yards in week 1, hasn't played since the second series in week 2 because of a leg injury.  When IC gets him back, opposing defenses will have a, dare I say, Trey Yocum type threat, to worry about in the backfield.

When Lake Forest has the ball, it's the #5 rated offense against the 4th best defense.  I think it will be a one score game decided by turnovers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 03, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2012/monmouth-stays-grounded

Best Around the Midwest column I've seen in awhile! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2012, 04:13:29 PM
When Clyde is on, he's just money with that turn of phrase. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 04, 2012, 04:19:21 PM
Pretty quiet board this week.  Here are my picks for Saturday:

Illinois College 31, Lake Forest  27
Monmouth 42, Grinnell 20
St. Norbert 28  Cornell 27
Knox 21  Beloit 20
Carroll 24,  Lawrence 21

Would like to see Knox get a win this week.  I only see one blowout -- Monmouth over Grinnell.  What say you, fulbakdad and Monmouth nation?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2012, 06:20:34 PM
Well I can't just let you make the predictions.

Lake Forest 28 IC 14  Defensive battle that is broken open in the 4th

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2012, 06:29:58 PM
Along with that prediction is the IC QB comes down with the flu and is unable to play.

I may not be able to give in game updates.  I've heard the Secret Service has been successful in thier quest to place cell phone jammers around the campus. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 04, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
I thought I was giving the LF defense respect by saying IC would only score 31. 14 points would be really impressive!  Guess we agree on LF's output though.

And good thing I'm making the trip since you won't be able to provide in-game updates....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2012, 06:49:50 PM
lol, just put the cell phone away.  I heard Coach Cat has the middle linebacker spying the IC coach and has instructed him to plow him if he takes it out.

Hope we have nice weather for the game.  Flying in tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 04, 2012, 06:56:20 PM
Sounds like upper 40's or low 50's --- perfect hitting weather
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2012, 09:30:01 PM
There will be no tip toeing on the Lake Forest side.  That i assure you!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 04, 2012, 11:25:14 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 03, 2012, 04:13:29 PM
When Clyde is on, he's just money with that turn of phrase.

Right you are, scottie...right you are. ;)

Week 6

Beloit at Knox - KC
Carroll at Lawrence - CU
Illinois C. at Lake Forest - IC
Monmouth at Grinnell - MC
St. Norbert at Cornell - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)

Not MWC-related, but needs to be said: R.I.P. Washington & Jefferson RB Tim McNerney.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2012, 02:18:19 PM
Regardless of the outcome of the GOTD (Game of the Decade), I hope neither team gets too banged up before their victory romp over the Scots in the next few weeks.   :-[

C A N   Y O U   H E A R   M E   N O W ? ? ? ? ? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on October 06, 2012, 06:55:19 AM
Going to be a bit chilly for tailgating but a great day for another Ram Victory!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 08:28:03 AM
It's Homecoming in the Forrest.  Should be a great crowd from what we've seen around campus and at the local hotels.  Team is up, coach is up.  Secret Service agents are up.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2012, 09:30:44 AM
Cell phone reception is probably down.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 03:02:13 PM
End of the first ic up 14-7.  Both teams opened with td's the. Ic picked up a fumble on the lfc 30 a d drove down a couple plays later for a score.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
End of the first half.  iC 21-LFC14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 06, 2012, 03:37:51 PM
IC's starting QB, Bates, been out since the game's first series with an ankle injury. Starting RB, Brimmage, hurt again late in the half. Will need the defense to step up big.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 06, 2012, 03:58:40 PM
SNC 10 Cornell 7....almost halftime. SNC defense is looking tough. Cornell hasn't really moved the ball except for the 80 yard TD pass.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 04:08:39 PM
lake Forest forces a fumble on opening drive of the 3rd.  Go and score. Tied up 21-21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
Ic and lfc trade td's.  28 each with 12:30 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
1:57 left.  Lfc has the ball on the 19 4th down.  Injured ic player.appears lfc is gonna go for it instead of the fg attempt.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 06, 2012, 05:02:02 PM
SNC 20 Cornell 7 midway through the 4th. Cornell offense still struggling...c'mon on Rams!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 06, 2012, 05:09:13 PM
SNC 20 Cornell 14. Still plenty of time left. Go Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 05:42:29 PM
Lake Forest scores!  35 to 28.  Stops ic on 4th and 9 to win the game!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 06, 2012, 05:44:30 PM
Finall SNC 20 Cornell 16.  >:( Just too many mistakes and SNC defense played very well. A lot of season left Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 06, 2012, 06:03:39 PM
Knox wins! I think it was 35-33 over Beloit

Lawrence gets crushed 55-6 by Carroll
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 06, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
Grinnell beats Monmouth 21-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 06, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 06, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
Grinnell beats Monmouth 21-7

Wasn't able to watch today and I don't even know what to say...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 06, 2012, 07:09:46 PM
Big shake up day in the mwc.  I'll post more when i get to my computer tonight.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
Everybody better start focusing on "quarters led" cuz this is shaping up to be a huge mess.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 07, 2012, 08:28:23 AM
Lake Forest/Illinios College

Boy what a game.  First I want to send my well wishes to the IC player that was hurt late in the game and taken away in an ambulance.  He was striving to make a game changing play and came down on his head, I heard he was knocked out.  As a parent, I can only say we all hate watching those kind of plays.  We all know that could be our boy on that stretcher and our hearts go out to him and his parents.

For those that were at the game or watched it, you saw a good one.  It was a battle that went back and forth with two very good football teams trading punches from the begining to the end.  I have watched thousands of football games, and in my memory I can't come up with one that beats this one.  Now I know, my team won, but both teams showed up yesterday and played thier hearts out.  It brings me back to the scene from the Rocky movie where he's just finished the bout with Appollo Creed.  They just announced that the decision went to Creed, Rocky can't see, and all Creed can say is "There aint gonna be no rematch!"  It was that good.  It was that good.  There was one team that won yesterday and one team that came up short.  Notice that I didn't say lose.  IC probably feels horrible about the outcome, but there were no losers on that field yesterday.

LFC opened up the game scoring on the first drive.  IC then returned the favor on the following one.  It was apparent from the start that this was gonna be a good game to watch.  IC got a turnover on the LFC 30 and took advantage of a short field.  They went in and scored and I took a deep breath.  Throughout the game I'd be doing that often!  I believe there were 4 lead changes.  Both teams played their hearts out.  There was nothing left on the field at the end of the day by either team.  It all came down to the 4th quarter.  The game was tied with a couple minutes left.  LFC was on the IC 19 yard line.  It was 3rd and 9 when Scaffidi threw a pass into the end zone.  This was the play the IC player went up for the ball and was hurt.  He had it, but lost possesion and came down on his head.  There was a long delay while they worked on the downed player.  We thought for sure Cat was gonna go for the Field Goal.  But when play resumed the Offense went back in.  4th and 9 from the 19 and Scaffidi throws another ball, this time to Austin Sobey (LFC Money Guy) in the middle of the field at the 3.  An IC defender had the ball and Sobey pulled it out of his hands on the way down to the turf for the reception.  What a play!  Lfc then punched it in for the go ahead TD. 

IC would then march down the field and with seconds remaining, have thier own 4th and 10.  Bates gets the ball to Brimmage who gets 9.5 yards, and then struggles with 4 LFC defenders just comming up short. 


My hats go off to both teams.  We watched a war on that field.  There were hurt players and players playing hurt.  Everyone was doing whatever they could to help get thier team over the hill to win the battle.  There were some impressive efforts on both sides of the ball.  Some gutsy calls, some gutsy plays, it was an amazing game to watch.  If you didn't have a dog in the fight and watched it, I bet you walked away shaking your head saying "that was one heck of a football game".

Of note, The IC qb, Bates is a gutsy guy.  He was hurt early in the game with what appeared to be a high ankle injury.  He reappeared later in the game to do his best.  He came out late in the third and threw a very good pass for a td for I believe 40 yards.  There was no quit in this kid.

The LFC Offensive and Defensive lines played out of thier heads.  IC had some very talented and BIG guys on thier side.  The LFC linemen stood up and represented.

If I ran a company, I'd be on the phone today to Pete Scaffidi (pronounced Ska-fee-dee for the future anouncers, lol, I've heard it many other ways).  I'd be offering him a job.  This is one cool cat who plays tough.  His grand dad is a Guadacanal Marine and I can see the genes flowed down to him.  He's taken some brutal hits and gets up and keeps on going.  Tough, smart and very talented.  I'm glad he's on my side.

The MWC is a different conferance this year.  Anyone can beat anybody any week.  While LFC is on top, I still see them as underdogs moving forward.  This is what good football is all about. 

As you know from my past posts, I can't stand watching a player catch a pass and tip toe out of bounds if he's past the first down marker and might get hit if he keeps going.  There wasn't a tip toe from either team yesterday.  Both teams and both coaching staffs can be nothing but proud of what took place.  As a parent of a player, I know I am.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2012, 10:45:04 AM
(Geez....superlative much?)    ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 07, 2012, 12:09:12 PM
sorry Scottie, got carried away! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 07, 2012, 01:01:41 PM
Lake Forest vs. Monmouth is definitely the biggest game of the week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 07, 2012, 05:11:31 PM
Solid recap, fulbakdad.  It was a fantastic football game, and I was very impressed with Lake Forest.  Congrats to your son and his teammates.  Coach Cat has done a fantastic job; it shows in their execution. 

Injuries are a huge part of football.  I thought IC really missed their stud DT, Michael Ray, yesterday.  LF had tons of success pounding the rock right at the interior of IC's defense.  The secondary made some big plays, but LF's run game was just too much.  Kudos to the LF offense for recognizing and exploiting the weakness.

I was very impressed with IC's backup quarterback, Kendall Gibson.  When Bates got hurt on the first drive, I thought IC would be in big trouble.  Gibson was very effective, completing 11 of 12 passes in the first half and putting up 21 points.  I think the IC coaching staff got way too conservative with Gibson in the second half.  They basically just limited him to handing off, with little success against the tough LF front seven. 

Lots of football to be played.  Lake Forest goes from the hunter to the hunted now.  Looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

Speaking of quarters led, IC led 3 of 4 yesterday and has led 15 of 16 in conference play.  Let's hope this is relevant in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 07, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 07, 2012, 10:45:04 AM
(Geez....superlative much?)    ;)

Please add something to this conversation and tell us what went wrong for Monmouth in Grinnell.  You've been nothing but sarcastic all week about Lake Forest vs. IC being the game of the decade.  Based on yesterday's results, it sure looks like it was at least the MWC's game of the year.  Why should we believe that Monmouth will give Lake Forest a game next week? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 07, 2012, 05:15:45 PM
Fulbakdad --- what was Brimmage doing on that last play?  Get the first down!!  Quit dancing!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 07, 2012, 06:51:42 PM
Now with me being a LFC fan I've gotta i really enjoyed that jig way more than any I've seen before! He was trying his damnest though wasn't he?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 07, 2012, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 07, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 07, 2012, 10:45:04 AM
(Geez....superlative much?)    ;)

Please add something to this conversation and tell us what went wrong for Monmouth in Grinnell.  You've been nothing but sarcastic all week about Lake Forest vs. IC being the game of the decade.  Based on yesterday's results, it sure looks like it was at least the MWC's game of the year.  Why should we believe that Monmouth will give Lake Forest a game next week?

T-Pride: I was about 20 hours away from Grinnell, Iowa so I missed the game unfortunately. I wasn't able to catch the webcast either.  The box score was about what I expected....MC had the running edge and GC had the passing edge.  Pretty even stats overall, except GC had a noticeable advantage in the TOP category. So far, it's a head-scratcher.

You should all believe that Monmouth won't give LF a game next week.  (Don't worry that it's Homecoming and that the Scots will probably be a bit irritable coming off a loss.) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 08:59:07 AM
What about the funny schedule now?  SNC could become the league champs without having to play IC!  That wouldn't be right.....I saw an SNC tweet yesterday that played the what if game.  Had to take a second look. 

Can we all now vote to rearrange the schedule so that the teams at the top at least have to play the teams at the top left?  LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 09:58:44 AM
Titan,

I didn't see anything else about the injured IC player with the possible neck/head injury.  I'm assuming he's ok????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 08, 2012, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 08:59:07 AM
What about the funny schedule now?  SNC could become the league champs without having to play IC!  That wouldn't be right.....I saw an SNC tweet yesterday that played the what if game.  Had to take a second look. 

Can we all now vote to rearrange the schedule so that the teams at the top at least have to play the teams at the top left?  LOL.

Add another team, adjust the schedules and have a conference championship game Week 11.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 08, 2012, 12:41:44 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 06, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 06, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
Grinnell beats Monmouth 21-7

Wasn't able to watch today and I don't even know what to say...

Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn in the forest.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 02:36:23 PM
I totally agree with the playoff game.  Even without the extra team.  At the end of this season, I see the posiblity of two teams having arguments for the crown and for it to come down to a tie breaker would suck.

Hey, I got the video clip of the catch that set up the LFC go ahead TD.  From my seat it looked like Sobey had taken the ball out of the hands of the IC defender, but film is always better.  He makes an unbelievable one handed grab of the ball thrown behind him.

To set it up, the teams are tied, there's 1:50 left or so, LFC has the ball on the IC 20, 4th and 10.  Instead of kicking the Field Goal, LFC goes for it.  Watch this 15 second clip....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWvYdrB2eyU&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on October 08, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
You need 12 teams to stage a conference championship game and have it count as a legal 11th game. The rule all of the mega-FBS conferences use to stage their championship games takes advantage of a rule that was originally Division III legislation. It's also why the Big XII doesn't have one anymore. They don't have 12 teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
I didn't expect it would be done, I was just saying it would be the only way for a just outcome.

I forsee a mess!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2012, 05:05:28 PM
Monmouth may end up joining the B1G and solve this dilemma.   ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on October 08, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
I hear there has been talk at Marian forever of starting up football. Force them to do it and then you have your 12th team which I believe would fit it well with the conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 08, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on October 08, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
I hear there has been talk at Marian forever of starting up football. Force them to do it and then you have your 12th team which I believe would fit it well with the conference.

While Marian might be a nice fit for the conference for a number of reasons, given budgets and Title IX that's much easier said than done to "force them" to do it. Are you going to go all Pegula & Penn State hockey on them to allow them afford it?

And, if the schools were that concerned about the unbalanced schedule, we could play a 'closed schedule' and have a full round robin now. It's not like MWC teams are going out there and earning at-large NCAA bids on the strength of non-conference wins, so you could get rid of them and not hurt that aspect. I'm sure there's some other downside i haven't thought of (and I do like at least one non-conf game), but it is an option if there's some hue and cry about it.

As for SNC being able to win the conference w/o playing IC, that was the case even before this weekend's action. If quarters led is the top tiebreaker, I suspect that the Blueboys are likely ahead of SNC in that regard. (I readily admit I have not looked that up).

I am frankly more worried SNC being able to beat Lawrence this week as opposed to running the table somehow. SNC could/should/might beat Lawrence and Beloit. Grinnell and LFC are different matters entirely. One game at a time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2012, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 08, 2012, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 08:59:07 AM
What about the funny schedule now?  SNC could become the league champs without having to play IC!  That wouldn't be right.....I saw an SNC tweet yesterday that played the what if game.  Had to take a second look. 

Can we all now vote to rearrange the schedule so that the teams at the top at least have to play the teams at the top left?  LOL.

Add another team, adjust the schedules and have a conference championship game Week 11.

Quote from: sncsid on October 08, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
You need 12 teams to stage a conference championship game and have it count as a legal 11th game. The rule all of the mega-FBS conferences use to stage their championship games takes advantage of a rule that was originally Division III legislation. It's also why the Big XII doesn't have one anymore. They don't have 12 teams.

He did say to add another team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 08, 2012, 08:35:20 PM
One more Marian thought: even if the Sabres add football, what makes you think they would jump conferences to the MWC? The NAC already has it and I'm not sure the MWC would be such a jump up in stature.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 08, 2012, 09:04:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2012, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 08, 2012, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 08:59:07 AM
What about the funny schedule now?  SNC could become the league champs without having to play IC!  That wouldn't be right.....I saw an SNC tweet yesterday that played the what if game.  Had to take a second look. 

Can we all now vote to rearrange the schedule so that the teams at the top at least have to play the teams at the top left?  LOL.

Add another team, adjust the schedules and have a conference championship game Week 11.

Quote from: sncsid on October 08, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
You need 12 teams to stage a conference championship game and have it count as a legal 11th game. The rule all of the mega-FBS conferences use to stage their championship games takes advantage of a rule that was originally Division III legislation. It's also why the Big XII doesn't have one anymore. They don't have 12 teams.

He did say to add another team.

I think SNCSID may have been just responding to fullbakdad's comment.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 08, 2012, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 08, 2012, 09:58:44 AM
Titan,

I didn't see anything else about the injured IC player with the possible neck/head injury.  I'm assuming he's ok????

It sounds like the good news is that he will have no long term injuries to his neck/spine.  The bad news is he suffered his second concussion in as many weeks and is likely done with football for the year, if not forever. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 08, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 08, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on October 08, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
I hear there has been talk at Marian forever of starting up football. Force them to do it and then you have your 12th team which I believe would fit it well with the conference.

While Marian might be a nice fit for the conference for a number of reasons, given budgets and Title IX that's much easier said than done to "force them" to do it. Are you going to go all Pegula & Penn State hockey on them to allow them afford it?

And, if the schools were that concerned about the unbalanced schedule, we could play a 'closed schedule' and have a full round robin now. It's not like MWC teams are going out there and earning at-large NCAA bids on the strength of non-conference wins, so you could get rid of them and not hurt that aspect. I'm sure there's some other downside i haven't thought of (and I do like at least one non-conf game), but it is an option if there's some hue and cry about it.

As for SNC being able to win the conference w/o playing IC, that was the case even before this weekend's action. If quarters led is the top tiebreaker, I suspect that the Blueboys are likely ahead of SNC in that regard. (I readily admit I have not looked that up).

I am frankly more worried SNC being able to beat Lawrence this week as opposed to running the table somehow. SNC could/should/might beat Lawrence and Beloit. Grinnell and LFC are different matters entirely. One game at a time.

Title IX wouldn't be as big of a problem as it would with most schools since Marian added women's hockey and only women's hockey four years ago. There has been a lot of improvements on the athletic side of Marian's campus (the new baseball field, the indoor practice facility for baseball and softball) but football is still a ways away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 09, 2012, 05:26:14 AM
Titan, That's good and bad news.  Sorry to hear that, but I'm glad it wasn't the worst.  He really did make a valant attempt for that ball.  That was the kind of football play that gets my respect.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on October 09, 2012, 08:27:13 AM
Beloit?
looking at 0-10 this year?

tell me there is hope...anyone?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 09, 2012, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: rome on October 09, 2012, 08:27:13 AM
Beloit?
looking at 0-10 this year?

tell me there is hope...anyone?

That "anyone" has been in exhile thus far this season.  I think he is attempting to reconfigure his wi-fi connection using paper clips, chewing gum, an empty Old Milwaukee beer can, and antlers. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 09, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 08, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on October 08, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
I hear there has been talk at Marian forever of starting up football. Force them to do it and then you have your 12th team which I believe would fit it well with the conference.

While Marian might be a nice fit for the conference for a number of reasons, given budgets and Title IX that's much easier said than done to "force them" to do it. Are you going to go all Pegula & Penn State hockey on them to allow them afford it?

And, if the schools were that concerned about the unbalanced schedule, we could play a 'closed schedule' and have a full round robin now. It's not like MWC teams are going out there and earning at-large NCAA bids on the strength of non-conference wins, so you could get rid of them and not hurt that aspect. I'm sure there's some other downside i haven't thought of (and I do like at least one non-conf game), but it is an option if there's some hue and cry about it.

As for SNC being able to win the conference w/o playing IC, that was the case even before this weekend's action. If quarters led is the top tiebreaker, I suspect that the Blueboys are likely ahead of SNC in that regard. (I readily admit I have not looked that up).

I am frankly more worried SNC being able to beat Lawrence this week as opposed to running the table somehow. SNC could/should/might beat Lawrence and Beloit. Grinnell and LFC are different matters entirely. One game at a time.

I believe the Blueboys have led 15 out of a possible 16 quarters thus far in MWC conference play. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 09, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
I think it's way to early to start adding up quarters led.  There are still 4 games left, A lot of football left.  There are so many possible endings you'd have to be a math major at Harvard to figure them all out.

Let's go week to week......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 09, 2012, 02:06:46 PM
Fair enough. In all honesty, I think Lake Forest will run the table so it won't matter. To beat them, you're going to have to protect the quarterback and attack their corners. In my estimation, that's the weak part of their D. From what I've watched in person and on film, Monmouth and Ripon won't be able to do that. Cornell could, but it will be tough to beat LF at home. That leaves a huge contest at the end of the year at Norbert.

By like you said, fulbakdad, we have to go week to week. Injuries, among other things, will probably play a huge role in the final outcome.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 10, 2012, 12:51:14 PM
Has anyone watched Knox play this year? Can anyone tell me anything about them? I saw they won a close one against Beloit but also played SNC tight too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 10, 2012, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 09, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
I believe the Blueboys have led 15 out of a possible 16 quarters thus far in MWC conference play.

Only the fourth quarter counts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pgkevin on October 10, 2012, 03:43:05 PM
Quote from: warthog on October 10, 2012, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 09, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
I believe the Blueboys have led 15 out of a possible 16 quarters thus far in MWC conference play.

Only the fourth quarter counts.

Not when the criteria for breaking a tie atop the conference leaderboard is quarters led.  In that case, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters matter quite a bit.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 10, 2012, 08:24:01 PM
Weekly Massey update:

Lake Forest 21  Monmouth 17 (LF has 62% of winning)
Illinois College 49  Beloit 14  (IC has a 100% of winning -- little extreme for my liking)
St. Norbert 28  Lawrence 20  (SNC has a 76% of winning)
Cornell 45  Knox 26 (Cornell has a 92% of winning)
Ripon 21  Grinnell 19 (Ripon has a 53% of winning)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 11, 2012, 08:57:33 AM
I agree it's way to early... but SNC has led for 11 quarters...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 11, 2012, 04:12:44 PM
I don't follow things as closely as I used to.  I had no idea Beloit was struggling that bad this year to where 0-10 was a possibility.  As someone who played for IC during the 0-10 season of 1998, I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy!  Here's to hoping IC takes care of business this weekend for Homecoming, but that Beloit gets one eventually!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 12, 2012, 03:04:23 PM
Massey went 1-4 last week...ouch! ;)  Let's see how they do this time around.

Week 7

Beloit at Illinois C. - IC
Grinnell at Ripon - RC
Knox at Cornell - CC
Lake Forest at Monmouth - MC
Lawrence at St. Norbert - SNC

Get things done the right way on Homecoming!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 12, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
looks like tomorrow could be a tough game for the passing teams.  90% chance of heavy rain!!  Saturday could turn into a VERY interesting day due to the weather!  Tough break for Monmouth and Ripon since it's their homecoming..  Good luck everyone, except Grinnell (this week 8-))! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 12, 2012, 04:59:15 PM
Looking forward to tomorrow!  Lake Forest is up for a test.  I love when teams with opposing strengths play against each other. 

Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CyRam on October 13, 2012, 07:37:53 AM
Tailgating might be a little wet, but should clear up by game time. Go RAMS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 13, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on October 12, 2012, 03:52:40 PM
looks like tomorrow could be a tough game for the passing teams.  90% chance of heavy rain!!  Saturday could turn into a VERY interesting day due to the weather!  Tough break for Monmouth and Ripon since it's their homecoming..  Good luck everyone, except Grinnell (this week 8-))!

Sorry, not Ripon's Homecoming.  I'm all screwed up!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 12:01:05 PM
Parade-cancelling rain in Monmouth this morning (according to my scottie-sources).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 13, 2012, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 13, 2012, 12:01:05 PM
Parade-cancelling rain in Monmouth this morning (according to my scottie-sources).

No scottie-sighting for Homecoming?!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 01:45:36 PM
SNC also canceled parade.

And, I have to admit that between the rainy weather, some misbehaving kids at home and the fact that the game is on TV, I will not be heading to Schneider Stadium. Updates still forthcoming.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 02:03:28 PM
I'm really hoping the Monmouth team is looking past Lake Forest as much as these two announcers!  They are talking like this is s scrimmage/warmup for them.  Even announced that Lake Forest is also playing at SNC today too! Lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 02:15:38 PM
SNC forces 3 and out on LU opening drive, then responds with TD. 7-0 snc with 10:27 left in first
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 02:22:10 PM
Another quick LU possession and another quick SNC touchdown. Seven minutes into the game and its 14-0 knights
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 02:33:13 PM
End of the firstonmouth up 3-0.  Monmouth has started inside the lake forest 40 3 times an only has 3 points to show for it.  First play in the second and Scaffidi throws to Sobe for a td.  LFC up 7-3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
Not Lawrence's day.

SNC catches the ball at the 5 but receiver gets stripped, fumbled through endzone for touchback. Good for LU

But on second play, LU QB sacked, fumbles and SNC returns for TD. 21-0 just ten minutes into the game

And still no first downs for Lawrence. And then SNC gets interception right away
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 02:38:38 PM
28-0 SNC, still 2:36 left in first
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 02:58:06 PM
Late td by Monmouth at the end of the half.  They now lead Lake Forest 10-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 13, 2012, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 13, 2012, 12:01:05 PM
Parade-cancelling rain in Monmouth this morning (according to my scottie-sources).

No scottie-sighting for Homecoming?!

I'll be there next year, Mav.  Just clicked on the webcast from my NC Lazyboy, in time to see the Monmouth TD at the end of the half. 

F-Dad: What have I missed on the tip-toe factor?   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 03:14:39 PM
Well Scottie, I was gonna leave it alone.  But since you brought it up,  the Monmouth qb slid in the second quarter when he saw Lb's going towards him!  And he ain't no Tanney!  Lol.  What are u teaching these guys? 

Oh now i see!  At halftime you got guys wearing dresses out on the field!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 03:17:11 PM
Actually very little tip toeing on either side.  Except for the qb.

Good defensive game.  Horrible camera work and announcing.  Plus we're getting a lot of buffering which is making it worse.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 03:17:14 PM
SNC kicks fg. Now 38-0, almost end of first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 03:22:17 PM
SNC gets int, returned to the 1. Then the td. 45-0 just before half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 03:45:52 PM
Monmouth puts together a drive with no tip toeing and scores.  They now lead LFC 17-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 03:47:00 PM
I'd say the MC QB tip-toes into the end zone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
Lol, yes he did Scottie.

Lake Forest responds with a drive of there own.  No tip toeing!  Now 17-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 03:58:08 PM
Scots lead 3 quarters to 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 03:59:59 PM
Scottie, you see that stop by 13?  He's somebody i know. Lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
Lake Forest puts together another drive with some good running by Freshman Valdivia and score on a scaffidi keeper.  LFC now leads 21-17!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 04:07:08 PM
I think the raindrops on the camera lens blurred it.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 04:14:32 PM
The mad tip-toer strikes again!  24-21 Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 04:14:57 PM
Another drive ended by a tip toein qb into the endzone for Scottie's team.  Monmouth now leads 24-21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 04:20:20 PM
I can see why fullbacks switch to linebackers on this LFC team.  28-24 LFC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
And lFC responds with another long driv capped by another run by the Freshman.  And not one tip toe!  Less than 3 left.  LFC up 28-24!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 04:30:21 PM
And LFC stops Monmouth!  6-0 Conference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
Another very good game by LFC as a team.  Came back from behind.  Defense stood up, Scaffidi did what he does.  DAMN!  This feels good!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2012, 04:33:53 PM
Good game, Foresters.  Tough false start on 4th and 2, but what you expect from a rebuilding team that is everyone's Super Bowl opponent.  Good luck the rest of they way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 04:49:18 PM
Had a chair and blanket - and fell asleep in the chair.

final
Lawrence 7
SNC 79

SNC had 366 rushing yards, 551 overall. Lawrence had 120. First dwns 22-3. Lawrence had 4 tunrovers, SNC 1.

SNC had touchdowns on 11 of 16 drives.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 05:00:24 PM
Final
Grinnell 21
Ripon 37

I think that's what it said as the stream ended just as I clicked on it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2012, 05:47:21 PM
Final
IC beats Beloit 31-9
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 16, 2012, 09:06:29 AM
Pretty quiet this week. What is the game of the week? I would imagine there are a few teams cheering for Cornell to knock of Lake Forest this week. It won't be easy but I have confidence in my team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 16, 2012, 10:12:16 AM
Just looking at the schedule, this doesn't portend to be all that interesting of a week in the MWC. Both IC and Monmouth should win would relative ease (one would think). St Norbert is off. That leaves Cornell's trip to the Forest as the potential game of consequence. Ash, you have to fill me in on Cornell. From some of your game stats, it looks like you guys have some trouble establishing a running game. If that's the case, your QB is going to need to make plays with his feet and arm all day. The LF d is tough.  Also, Cornell will really have to work hard to shut down LF's rushing attack -- multiple good backs.

My advice:  fall behind early but keep it close. Don't take the lead until the very end because the Foresters have established that they are the "Cardiac Kids" and love the thrill of a dramatic comeback.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 16, 2012, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 16, 2012, 10:12:16 AM
Just looking at the schedule, this doesn't portend to be all that interesting of a week in the MWC. Both IC and Monmouth should win would relative ease (one would think). St Norbert is off. That leaves Cornell's trip to the Forest as the potential game of consequence. Ash, you have to fill me in on Cornell. From some of your game stats, it looks like you guys have some trouble establishing a running game. If that's the case, your QB is going to need to make plays with his feet and arm all day. The LF d is tough.  Also, Cornell will really have to work hard to shut down LF's rushing attack -- multiple good backs.

My advice:  fall behind early but keep it close. Don't take the lead until the very end because the Foresters have established that they are the "Cardiac Kids" and love the thrill of a dramatic comeback.

Yeah our running game has not been our strength. I briefly looked over some conference statistics and it looks like LF's pass defense is their "weak" spot. They ranked near the top in rush defense and down towards the bottom in pass d. I know they have a solid defense though so I'm not buying too much into the that stat! Our QB is definitely capable of making plays with both his feet and his arm. He is first in passing and is a very athletic kid but I don't think they can only rely on him to win this game. They have plenty of good receivers and their two backs are really good too from what I have watched. The oline is young and inexperienced.

We have also had some trouble stopping the run...last week vs Knox for example so that makes me really nervous about LF's backs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 16, 2012, 12:12:47 PM
Looking forward to the game at Lake Forest this week.  It should be another good game.  The Lake Forest running attack has been getting better and better each week.  The Freshman back (Valdivia) is now much more confident than at the begining of the season.  Which is understandable.  He's a very powerful runner which is different than Mitchell (the senior back) who is more of a slippery runner.

The Lake Forest D should be tested Saturday.  I think they will be comming after the QB.  They did that earlier in the year with pretty good success, but have been more focused on the run after Bates went out two weeks ago and with Monmouth last week.  This is a pretty good Defense.  What's pretty impressive is there are 10 starters that will be back next year on it.

The cell phone jammers have been removed by the Secret Service so I should be able to provide in game reports.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 16, 2012, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Ash Park on October 16, 2012, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 16, 2012, 10:12:16 AM
Just looking at the schedule, this doesn't portend to be all that interesting of a week in the MWC. Both IC and Monmouth should win would relative ease (one would think). St Norbert is off. That leaves Cornell's trip to the Forest as the potential game of consequence. Ash, you have to fill me in on Cornell. From some of your game stats, it looks like you guys have some trouble establishing a running game. If that's the case, your QB is going to need to make plays with his feet and arm all day. The LF d is tough.  Also, Cornell will really have to work hard to shut down LF's rushing attack -- multiple good backs.

My advice:  fall behind early but keep it close. Don't take the lead until the very end because the Foresters have established that they are the "Cardiac Kids" and love the thrill of a dramatic comeback.

Yeah our running game has not been our strength. I briefly looked over some conference statistics and it looks like LF's pass defense is their "weak" spot. They ranked near the top in rush defense and down towards the bottom in pass d. I know they have a solid defense though so I'm not buying too much into the that stat! Our QB is definitely capable of making plays with both his feet and his arm. He is first in passing and is a very athletic kid but I don't think they can only rely on him to win this game. They have plenty of good receivers and their two backs are really good too from what I have watched. The oline is young and inexperienced.

We have also had some trouble stopping the run...last week vs Knox for example so that makes me really nervous about LF's backs.

I said this after the Illinois College game and could be wrong, but I think the LF corners can be attacked. IC had some success throwing to the outside.  You do have to get rid of the football because they pressure the QB. What is really impressive is how the rally to the football and gang tackle, especially on short passes.

Fortunately for LF, they can lose this game, win the next two and still make the playoffs. Not that they want to or will...

So far, Cornell has beaten who they should and played the top teams in the conference to close losses. Will be interesting to see how this one plays out.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 16, 2012, 12:36:08 PM
Fulbakdad -  what happened to the team who beat Lawrence by 4 points?  Can we get that one back for a couple weeks?  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 16, 2012, 01:08:41 PM
Lol

I think a couple things since the Lawrence game.  First Lawrence itself.  When they played us, I was thinking to myself what a small squad it was (numbers).  They put up a fight and thier QB was very scrappy.  But I was thinking what are they gonna do if they get many injuries.  I can only assume they are getting beat up by now.  How many of their starters from game one are still out there?  Just a question.

The big change is Lake Forest is starting to mature and believe in themselves.  The starting line this year is very young.  Each game they are getting better and better, plus more confident.  The Freshman running back is definately maturing.  Early in the year he wasn't too sure of himself.  That was to be expected.  Now he's running with determination.  That was huge in last weeks game.  And the Defense is doing the same. 

sorry, don't think you'll have the earlier team for the rest of the season.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 16, 2012, 01:14:42 PM
One additional thing to add.

Lake Forest is still not a dominant team.  If they play any team on the schedule, or replay any team they've played, if they don't play their hearts out they will lose.  Each week I dread the thought of this, but it's reality. 

Are they good enough to win out the season?  They could.  But they will need to take each game, a game at a time.  I think it's an exciting time for the MWC.  Any team can win any game.  I like this much better than everyone watching the top two teams all year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 17, 2012, 07:08:35 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 16, 2012, 01:08:41 PM
Lol

I think a couple things since the Lawrence game.  First Lawrence itself.  When they played us, I was thinking to myself what a small squad it was (numbers).  They put up a fight and thier QB was very scrappy.  But I was thinking what are they gonna do if they get many injuries.  I can only assume they are getting beat up by now.  How many of their starters from game one are still out there?  Just a question.

The big change is Lake Forest is starting to mature and believe in themselves.  The starting line this year is very young.  Each game they are getting better and better, plus more confident.  The Freshman running back is definately maturing.  Early in the year he wasn't too sure of himself.  That was to be expected.  Now he's running with determination.  That was huge in last weeks game.  And the Defense is doing the same. 

sorry, don't think you'll have the earlier team for the rest of the season.

:)

I think you are right about Lawrence. Cornell played them first game of the year and got out of there with a narrow win. While watching that game I could see that LU had some talent especially at QB and their Oline was good and experienced. I know they had a couple guys go down in that game. Along with injuries and not having a deep bench I think losing those close games early in the year has taken a toll on that team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 17, 2012, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 16, 2012, 01:14:42 PM
I think it's an exciting time for the MWC.  Any team can win any game.  I like this much better than everyone watching the top two teams  all year.

This may be true...........unless you are a fan of one of the top teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 17, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
Massey went 5-0 last week, sorry Maverick.  Here are this week's projections:

Lake Forest 31  Cornell 13 (LFC has a 90% of winning)
Illinois College 53  Knox 27  (IC has a 98% of winning)
Monmouth 35  Lawrence 28 (MC has a 74% of winning)
Carroll 23  Grinnell 7 (CU has a 89% of winning)
Ripon 30  Beloit 14  (RC has a 88% of winning)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 17, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
So I can see the Cornell QB has put up some nice numbers.  And they seem to have trouble with the run.  What are the other strengths/weaknesses do they have?  Anyone been to thier games?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on October 18, 2012, 08:10:14 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 17, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
So I can see the Cornell QB has put up some nice numbers.  And they seem to have trouble with the run.  What are the other strengths/weaknesses do they have?  Anyone been to thier games?

I haven't actually been to any Cornell games, but have watched most of them online (Kind of hard to travel from Ohio on the weekends).  I would agree with everyone's evaluation of Cornell this year.  A weakness that I will point out is theor kicking game, specifically, kick-offs.  Now I am not involved in their special team game plans, but I have seen what seems to be a lot of kick offs go out of bounds.  That puts a lot of pressure on your defense with that kind of field position.

From my perspective, if you don't have a kicker that can put it down inside the 5 yard line, your next best option is to try and get the ball rolling on the ground, or pin the return team to a sideline.  Again, I don't know what their game plans are, but I would assume Cornell's coaches would like to see this corrected.

A strength that I have seen from Cornell comes again from special teams.  They have been very effective coming after punts and getting blocks.  I believe they have 2 blocked punts for touchdowns this year.  They obviously take a lot of pride in that phase of the game and have guys that are committed to those positions. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 18, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 17, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
So I can see the Cornell QB has put up some nice numbers.  And they seem to have trouble with the run.  What are the other strengths/weaknesses do they have?  Anyone been to thier games?

They have been outscoring their opponents in the 4th quarter.....being outscored in the 1st. I imagine Lake Forest is going to run the ball run the ball and run some more to try to keep the ball out of Juan Flores hands. I read an article about LF and they have done a nice job all year of winning time of possession.

Score by quarters  1st  2nd    3rd     4th    Total 
Cornell College       14   62     55      58        189 
Opponents            29   55     58      28        170 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 19, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
Getting ready to leave for the airport.  Looks like a good day weather wise tomorrow. 

I think Lake Forest gets out to an early lead with some mixing up on plays, ground/air.  Then controls the rest of the day pounding the ball.

On Defense, Cornell will have some success in the air early, but the attack of the D get's too him before half.

Lake Forest 36-Cornell 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2012, 08:34:14 PM
Week 8

Cornell at Lake Forest - LFC
Grinnell at Carroll - CU
Illinois C. at Knox - IC
Monmouth at Lawrence - MC
Ripon at Beloit - RC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 02:14:52 PM
Lake Forest strikes first on a 37 yard Scaffidi pass.  7-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 02:16:24 PM
Yocum with a TD run for the Scots.

Monmouth 7
Lawrence 0

6:13 left in 1st quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 02:28:21 PM
Scaffidi calls his own mumber and runs in a 5 yarder.  Set up bu a 45 yard Al mitchell run
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 20, 2012, 02:34:40 PM
14-6 IC over Knox after 1.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
Lawrence with a TD pass late in the 1st quarter...Monmouth answers with a TD pass on the first play of the 2nd quarter.

Monmouth 14
Lawrence 7

Early 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 02:44:25 PM
Wedekind TD pass to Youngren.  The previous one was to Shields.

Monmouth 21
Lawrence 7

8:50 left in 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
Yocum with another TD run.

Monmouth 28
Lawrence 7

4:14 left in 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 03:03:28 PM
Cornell with a td late in the half.  Lake forest leads 21-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 03:05:12 PM
Yocum with his 3rd TD run.

Monmouth 35
Lawrence 7

50 seconds left in 2nd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 03:06:12 PM
Monmouth 35
Lawrence 7

HALF
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 20, 2012, 03:13:10 PM
21-15 IC over Knox at half. IC scoring fairly easily. Unfortunately, so is Knox.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 03:41:02 PM
Lauber with a TD run.

Monmouth 42
Lawrence 7

10:49 left in 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 03:41:10 PM
Lake Forest with a defensive stop on the opening drive.  They answer wi a nice long drive that ends with a td.  LFC 28 Cornell 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 03:43:28 PM
Lawrence with a TD run.

Monmouth 42
Lawrence 14

Still in 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
Yocum scores again on his 4th TD run.

Monmouth 49
Lawrence 14

3:22 left in 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 03:50:34 PM
Cornell responds and scores.  28-14 LFC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 03:57:09 PM
Lawrence scores on a long TD pass.

Monmouth 49
Lawrence 21

1:11 left in 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
Monmouth 49
Lawrence 21

End of 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 04:28:11 PM
After some horrible ref calls, Cornell scores a td after 4 pass interference calls on one drive. 28-21 5 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 04:29:29 PM
Safty on the kick off.  Now 28-23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 04:41:10 PM
Foresters intercept the Cornell qb.  Running the clock down and score with 1 minute left.  35-23
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 20, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
Final:  49-29 IC over Knox.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2012, 04:51:38 PM
Scots and Vikings both pick up 4th quarter TD's.

Monmouth 56
Lawrence 28

FINAL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
Strange day in the Forest......

Today's game at Lake Forest was a very strange one to say the least.  Going into the half, well with 2 minutes left in the first half, it appeared that Lake Forest was going to finally have a dominant performance and put away an opponent.  At that point, Cornell came back to score a late first half TD and bring them within 2 TD's. 

But what happened in the second half is what left many just shaking their heads about long after the game.  The second half was the absolute worst officiating that I've seen since our Pop Warner days.  The Refs were all over the place.  There was a late drive in the 4th that one ref threw 4 defensive interferance flags on.  3 were totally out there.  That drive, assisted by the calls, got Cornell back into the game with a TD.  On the play that got Cornell to the 3 yard line was a 25 or so yard pass.  When the reciever caught the pass he was hit by a LFC D-back.  It was a hard hit, but looked very legal from my spot.  Another flag.  Now get this, after a 30 second conferance by the refs, the head ref came out to call a "high hit" penalty.  In all my football experience, never heard that one........They scored a play or two later.  Then on the kick off, the Lake Forest returner caught the kick on the air and went into the end zone.  He got confused and instead of taking a knee, he took a couple steps out, then retreated back into the end zone where he was caught for a safety.  This brought Cornell within 5 with time left.  The final Cornell drive was absolute chaos.  The refs were losing control, the players were being aggressive players, I'm just glad nobody got hurt. 

In review, hat's off to the Cornell QB.  Played well, threw well and went out hurt in the final quarter.  Cornell D-line did a nice job.  When I saw them come out early in the game, I thought they looked pretty small.  They played much bigger.

On Lake Forest, just can't say enough about Scaffidi.  He had some nice throws, some very timely runs when needed, and just manages a nice game. 

Aiden Price did a great job at Safety.  He's a hitter, all over the place.

Al Mitchell got another 100 yard rushing day.

so next is Ripon and the triple option.........
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 23, 2012, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 20, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
Strange day in the Forest......

Today's game at Lake Forest was a very strange one to say the least.  Going into the half, well with 2 minutes left in the first half, it appeared that Lake Forest was going to finally have a dominant performance and put away an opponent.  At that point, Cornell came back to score a late first half TD and bring them within 2 TD's. 

But what happened in the second half is what left many just shaking their heads about long after the game.  The second half was the absolute worst officiating that I've seen since our Pop Warner days.  The Refs were all over the place.  There was a late drive in the 4th that one ref threw 4 defensive interferance flags on.  3 were totally out there.  That drive, assisted by the calls, got Cornell back into the game with a TD.  On the play that got Cornell to the 3 yard line was a 25 or so yard pass.  When the reciever caught the pass he was hit by a LFC D-back.  It was a hard hit, but looked very legal from my spot.  Another flag.  Now get this, after a 30 second conferance by the refs, the head ref came out to call a "high hit" penalty.  In all my football experience, never heard that one........They scored a play or two later.  Then on the kick off, the Lake Forest returner caught the kick on the air and went into the end zone.  He got confused and instead of taking a knee, he took a couple steps out, then retreated back into the end zone where he was caught for a safety.  This brought Cornell within 5 with time left.  The final Cornell drive was absolute chaos.  The refs were losing control, the players were being aggressive players, I'm just glad nobody got hurt. 

In review, hat's off to the Cornell QB.  Played well, threw well and went out hurt in the final quarter.  Cornell D-line did a nice job.  When I saw them come out early in the game, I thought they looked pretty small.  They played much bigger.

On Lake Forest, just can't say enough about Scaffidi.  He had some nice throws, some very timely runs when needed, and just manages a nice game. 

Aiden Price did a great job at Safety.  He's a hitter, all over the place.

Al Mitchell got another 100 yard rushing day.

so next is Ripon and the triple option.........

I'd say overall that was a very good game between two evenly matched teams. We need to pull out one of these close games against the upper half of the conference!! LFC's QB and RB are very talented. I also really like the Defense of Lake Forest....someone had mentioned how aggressive they are and they definitely were!

I'll admit...a couple of those PI calls were definitely questionable. There were a couple against Cornell in the first half that I thought were questionable too...one was on a LFC TD so it didn't matter anyway. Anyway, good luck to LFC the rest of the year.

Cornell can still finish this year strong...they are a young group that is talented but just need to learn how to play a complete game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 23, 2012, 11:25:56 AM
Ash,  I agree.  it was a good game. 

There were two plays that the refs called or didn't call that stick in my mind.  There was one where a player was injured so it went by without much excitement.  But one of your players was in contact with the LFC reciever and the ball hit him in the back of the head, obvious pass interferance not called.  He didn't look back at the ball and the ball even hit him on the back of the helmet.

The second was after the flury of flags had been thrown.  Your team threw a pass to a reciever who caught it around the 4 yard line.  It was a good thow, good catch, and the LFC defender hit him.  It was a hard hit, but I didn't see anything wrong with it.  The ref then throws a flag, they have a conference, than announce "unsportsmanlike conduce, High hit".  I went searching for that one.  Never seen it before, nor could I find it.

Best of luck to you guys for the remainder too.   There's still a lot of football left!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on October 23, 2012, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 23, 2012, 11:25:56 AM
Ash,  I agree.  it was a good game. 

There were two plays that the refs called or didn't call that stick in my mind.  There was one where a player was injured so it went by without much excitement.  But one of your players was in contact with the LFC reciever and the ball hit him in the back of the head, obvious pass interferance not called.  He didn't look back at the ball and the ball even hit him on the back of the helmet.

The second was after the flury of flags had been thrown.  Your team threw a pass to a reciever who caught it around the 4 yard line.  It was a good thow, good catch, and the LFC defender hit him.  It was a hard hit, but I didn't see anything wrong with it.  The ref then throws a flag, they have a conference, than announce "unsportsmanlike conduce, High hit".  I went searching for that one.  Never seen it before, nor could I find it.

Best of luck to you guys for the remainder too.   There's still a lot of football left!
PI obviously is a judgement call, but the defender doesn't have to play the ball.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 23, 2012, 01:32:52 PM
Night,

Yes the defender does have to play the ball.  He can't be in contact with the reciever and not be playing the ball.  Not looking at the ball is an indicator that he is not playing the ball.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on October 23, 2012, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 23, 2012, 11:25:56 AM
Ash,  I agree.  it was a good game. 

There were two plays that the refs called or didn't call that stick in my mind.  There was one where a player was injured so it went by without much excitement.  But one of your players was in contact with the LFC reciever and the ball hit him in the back of the head, obvious pass interferance not called.  He didn't look back at the ball and the ball even hit him on the back of the helmet.

The second was after the flury of flags had been thrown.  Your team threw a pass to a reciever who caught it around the 4 yard line.  It was a good thow, good catch, and the LFC defender hit him.  It was a hard hit, but I didn't see anything wrong with it.  The ref then throws a flag, they have a conference, than announce "unsportsmanlike conduce, High hit".  I went searching for that one.  Never seen it before, nor could I find it.
Best of luck to you guys for the remainder too.   There's still a lot of football left!

I didn't get a chance to watch the game, and not trying to take a side, just throwing my 2 cents in.  I may be wrong, but wasn't a "high hit" part of the rule changes that took place when they put an emphasis on leading with the helmet, spearing, etc?  It may just be in the NFL, but isn't making contact above the shoulder a penalty now?  Again, I havent' seen the play and don't know if that fits here.  Feel free to correct me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 23, 2012, 01:35:17 PM
It's a rugby rule infraction, lol, but couldn't find it when I looked in the football rules.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on October 23, 2012, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 23, 2012, 01:32:52 PM
Night,

Yes the defender does have to play the ball.  He can't be in contact with the reciever and not be playing the ball.  Not looking at the ball is an indicator that he is not playing the ball.
We may be saying the same thing. As long as the defender is not in contact beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is in the air, there is no PI (face guarding is ok). However, officials may key on a defensive player who is not playing the ball & that flag may be thrown regardless of contact. Announcers drive me nuts when they get their panties in a bunch when the ref doesn't throw the flag when the defender doesn't look back, even when there clearly was no contact. It is not the NFL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 24, 2012, 09:02:38 AM
Conference standings, remaining schedule, and remaining opponents' conference win %:

Lake Forest      7-0   vs. Ripon, IDLE, @ St. Norbert   (.667)
Illinois College   5-1   @ Monmouth, vs. Cornell, vs. Carroll   (.611)
St. Norbert      5-1    @ Beloit, @ Grinnell, vs. Lake Forest   (.450)
Carroll             4-2    @ Cornell,  vs. Beloit,  @ Illinois College  (.421)
Monmouth       4-2    vs. Illinois College, @ Ripon, vs. Knox   (.474)
Cornell            3-3    vs. Carroll, @ Illinois College, vs. Grinnell  (.611)
Ripon              3-3    @ Lake Forest, vs. Monmouth, vs. Lawrence  (.632)
Grinnell           2-4    vs. Lawrence, vs. St. Norbert, @ Cornell  (.500)
Lawrence        1-5    @ Grinnell,  @ Knox,  vs. Ripon  (.316)
Knox              1-6     IDLE, vs. Lawrence, @ Monmouth  (.417)
Beloit             0-7     vs. St. Norbert, @ Carroll, IDLE  (.750)

Certainly, Lake Forest is in the driver's seat.  Of the contenders, they have the toughest remaining opponents, albeit only 2 of them.  St. Norbert has the easiest remaining schedule (before hosting LF), but ask Monmouth about that trip to Grinnell. 

For Lake Forest, this week's game really doesn't matter.  They could lose to Ripon and still earn the Pool A playoff berth by beating St. Norbert.  Carroll, Monmouth, and others would appreciate Ripon pulling the upset though and bringing some chaos to the conference race.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 24, 2012, 10:41:04 AM
A win for Lake Forest this week would give them at least a tie for the conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
T'would seem that the two biggest games remaining this season are IC @ Monmouth (can the Scots play spoiler and knock IC out of contention?) and LF @ SNC (for all of the marbles?).  Winner likely gets a trip St. Thomas.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2012, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 24, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
T'would seem that the two biggest games remaining this season are IC @ Monmouth (can the Scots play spoiler and knock IC out of contention?) and LF @ SNC (for all of the marbles?).  Winner likely gets a trip St. Thomas.

Or Oshkosh. The UMAC winner has to play somewhere, also.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 24, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
We'll look to this week for now. 

The Triple Option.  Actually my favorite offense.  When my son was looking at schools I remember talking to the Ithica D-Coordinator.  He was telling me how he hated to play Springfield because of it.  You spend all season putting your Defense together, and then have to stop and teach them the Triple O attack, then go back to you're regular D.  If you have a scootin QB that can throw, 2 good Fullbacks (preferably one quick guy and one bruiser), and a quick O-line it creates a lot of problems.  it's difficult to throw any complicated Defense's against it cuz you only have a week to prepare for it.  \

At the time, my son was looking at Springfield too.  I had gotten a little excited for it.

So how does Ripon do with it?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2012, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 24, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
We'll look to this week for now. 

The Triple Option.  Actually my favorite offense.  When my son was looking at schools I remember talking to the Ithica D-Coordinator.  He was telling me how he hated to play Springfield because of it.  You spend all season putting your Defense together, and then have to stop and teach them the Triple O attack, then go back to you're regular D.  If you have a scootin QB that can throw, 2 good Fullbacks (preferably one quick guy and one bruiser), and a quick O-line it creates a lot of problems.  it's difficult to throw any complicated Defense's against it cuz you only have a week to prepare for it.  \

At the time, my son was looking at Springfield too.  I had gotten a little excited for it.

So how does Ripon do with it?

I might be Biased, but I think Ripon does really well with it.  They had a slow start this season, but as a whole, this offense which has been run at Cornell and then was brought to Lawrence, and now is at Ripon has lead the conference in total offense and rushing yards basically every year.  There aren't many men out there like you and me fulbakdad..  This is a dying offense, not to many people like it because it's slow developing.  I love it, grown up head first in this offense.  It's interesting, you never know where the ball is and if it's run correctly, blocked correctly, you can get some major yards out of it.  I totally agree about the D comment, "back in the day" this type of offense was run at a couple schools in the conference, so you actually started coaching it along with your basic.  Now it's just Ripon, so it is something new for that week.  I wish I could make the game this weekend, daughters birthday party.  I think you will be impressed, it's a hard offense to stop and if the D can stop LF offense it will be a great game on Saturday!! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 24, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
Hold the Birthday party at LFC!  We give you your own tailgating area!  LOL.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 24, 2012, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 24, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
Hold the Birthday party at LFC!  We give you your own tailgating area!  LOL.

I'll pass your info to my wife, we'll see how that goes, lol... 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 24, 2012, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 24, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
T'would seem that the two biggest games remaining this season are IC @ Monmouth (can the Scots play spoiler and knock IC out of contention?) and LF @ SNC (for all of the marbles?).  Winner likely gets a trip St. Thomas.

Definitely could happen.  Monmouth has the running attack that gives IC fits.  Add to that, Michael Bates hasn't played since late in the Lake Forest game, and the IC offense, while still very effective against lesser competition, could struggle against Monmouth's D.  IC will definitely be ready to play though (as you would expect).  In the 3+ years that IC's current group of seniors have played, they have beaten all of the teams on the 10 game schedule at least once, except for Monmouth.  I know they would love to change that, but more importantly, they want to stay in contention for a conference title and Pool A berth.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 24, 2012, 01:36:12 PM
I'm really excited for the Ripon vs. Lake Forest game.  It's strength vs. strength --- Run O vs. Run D.  Lake Forest is a big physical team, and they should have some fun playing against Ripon's offensive attack.  If I was Ripon's QB or one of the RBs, I'd be asking for some extra padding to wear under the uniform this week. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 24, 2012, 10:03:55 PM
Give me the Option, bring back the Wishbone!  No more tip toeing in the MWC!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 25, 2012, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2012, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 24, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
T'would seem that the two biggest games remaining this season are IC @ Monmouth (can the Scots play spoiler and knock IC out of contention?) and LF @ SNC (for all of the marbles?).  Winner likely gets a trip St. Thomas.

Or Oshkosh. The UMAC winner has to play somewhere, also.

The way the play-off committee placed teams last year, I think it will be much harder to predict who will play where.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2012, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 25, 2012, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2012, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 24, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
T'would seem that the two biggest games remaining this season are IC @ Monmouth (can the Scots play spoiler and knock IC out of contention?) and LF @ SNC (for all of the marbles?).  Winner likely gets a trip St. Thomas.

Or Oshkosh. The UMAC winner has to play somewhere, also.

The way the play-off committee placed teams last year, I think it will be much harder to predict who will play where.

Yes, but out in this corner of the bracket, 500 miles comes into play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2012, 05:21:40 AM
Lake Forest wins tomorrow 42-21.  Foresters are confused early with the option, but recover to shut it down.  Scaffidi throws 4 TD passes.  Nick Waters has 2 interceptions.......

Found a way for the Nick Waters shout out!

lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2012, 08:35:10 AM
Scaffidi's leadership and heart proves to be LF's downfall.  By halftime, Google HR approaches him in the locker room and offers him a Senior VP position, effective immediately, and wisks him away to the left coast. Waters steps in at QB in second half and performs admirably, but Ripon hangs on 38-34.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 26, 2012, 09:18:58 AM
Good luck to everyone this week...especially the Cornell Rams! I hope Flores is able to play...if he does I always like our chances to win but if he is not playing I get a little nervous. I thought the backup did a very nice job last week but it was easy to see that the absence of Flores really hurt.

What kind of team is Carrol? Are they an option attack similar to Ripon?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
Scottie,  I've got a slight twist to your ending. 

After Scaffidi goes to lead the company into the Fortune 500,  Cat switches #13 back to fullback and finishes the game running the triple option, beating Ripon at their own game!

Lol

Good luck tomorrow everybody!  (Except Ripon of course)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 26, 2012, 10:21:44 AM
I have yet to watch Carroll in person this year, so someone else may be able to give you better insight.  Traditionally, Carroll has run a pro-style offense and uses the running game to set up the play action pass.  They don't rely on the pass as much as many of the MWC teams do, but typically their passing is much more of a threat than Ripon's. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2012, 12:28:49 PM
Interesting scenarios guys...what I'm most interested in though is what are the Massey percentages on each of those actually playing out?! ;)

Week 9

Carroll at Cornell - CU (Carroll)
Illinois C. at Monmouth - MC
Lawrence at Grinnell - GC
Ripon at Lake Forest - LFC
St. Norbert at Beloit - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 26, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 26, 2012, 12:28:49 PM
Interesting scenarios guys...what I'm most interested in though is what are the Massey percentages on each of those actually playing out?! ;)

Week 9

Carroll at Cornell - CU (Carroll)
Illinois C. at Monmouth - MC
Lawrence at Grinnell - GC
Ripon at Lake Forest - LFC
St. Norbert at Beloit - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)

Since you really, really want to know, Massey says IC is going to beat Monmouth 35-28 and gives the Scots only a 29% chance of winning.   ;)

I'm predicting a 35-34 IC win.  Monmouth scores late, decides to go for 2, but Yocum trips over a shoelace, falling 6 inches short of the winning conversion. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
I wouldn't rely on the shoelace defense to stop Yocum.  He appears to be on quite a roll right now.  And didn't I read something about IC having trouble stopping the run?  Huh??   ;D


Y O C U M   S C O R E S   A G A I N ! ! !    :)                                             :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 26, 2012, 07:01:45 PM
Yes, you did. I'm concerned that his shoelace may be the only thing to stop him tomorrow. Hoping I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 08:41:46 AM
Looks like another great weather day for Football.  We've been lucky so far.  Our trip back east might be a little different.  LOL.

Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 02:18:12 PM
Ripon strikes first with a 97 yard run.  7-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 02:26:01 PM
Lake Forest drives the field and scores from the 1.  Tied at 7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
SNC leds beloit 21-0, mid first quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2012, 02:35:33 PM
SNC scores an 11-yard TD on a 4th and 1. 28-0 SNC with 1:57 left in the first

And I'm feeling sorry for the Beloit announcer. You can tell he desperately wants the Bucs to do well, but it just isn't happening.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 02:47:09 PM
Lake Forest intercepts on the 4 and drive the field.  Scoring with 8.30 in the 2nd.  14-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2012, 02:52:07 PM
Lawrence leads Grinnell 17-0 in the second quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
Carroll leads Cornell 10-0, late 2nd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 27, 2012, 02:55:46 PM
TD Rams! 10-7 Carroll leading with about 2 minutes left in the first half. Offense started very slow...Flores started the first drive but has not been in the game since. I hope he is okay...he was having a great season before this injury.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
SNC leads Beloit 42-0 with 6:17 left in the second.

That school record of 79 points set against Lawrence a couple of weeks ago may already be in jeopardy...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 03:05:18 PM
Lake Forest up 14-7 at half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2012, 03:07:52 PM
Good Guys trailing 21-14 at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 27, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
Carroll 17 Cornell 7 at the half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2012, 03:21:54 PM
Half
SNC 42
Beloit 0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 27, 2012, 03:37:59 PM
wow...24-7 Carroll leading. Carroll scored on a pick 6. We really look out of sync with Flores being hurt....we just put in the 3rd string qb. Very frustrating to watch because Carroll is giving us many opportunities but we are not taking advantage
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 03:53:00 PM
Ripon drove down to the 9.  Attempted a field goal and was blocked.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 04:02:22 PM
Lake forest kicks a 33 yard field goal.  LFC now up 17-7 with 6 minutes left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 04:12:07 PM
Ripon misses a firld goal with 3 minutes left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2012, 04:17:07 PM
Lake Forest wins 17-7!  8-0 in Conference!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2012, 04:22:47 PM
The Good Guys convert on 4th and a mile with a twice-tipped TD pass completion to pull within 27-24 with 4:00 remaining.  Let's go D!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2012, 04:33:11 PM
Almost.... IC pulls of a 4th and 8 followed by a 24 yard run on the next play to go up 34-24. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2012, 04:36:24 PM
Quick TD strike to make it 34-31 with 1:00 remaining.   On-side kick time....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2012, 04:45:38 PM
IC wins 34-31.  Plenty of texts going out tonight.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2012, 04:46:30 PM
SNC wins 42-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 27, 2012, 08:15:30 PM
Back from Monmouth.  Fun afternoon for IC fans.  Finally broke what was a 15 year losing streak to Monmouth's football program.  I thought it was an entertaining game.  Although the final score was 34-31, I always felt like the Blueboys had control of the game.  To back that up, IC had the ball for over 38 minutes, totaled 565 yards of offense, including 311 rushing yards.  For the first time since Week 1, Cecil Brimmage looked like an elite back.  He finally looks healthy again after spraining his knee in Week 2 against Grinnell.  Big kudos to IC's offensive line who opened up huge holes for all of IC's backs.  The defense wasn't great --- a few too many missed tackles -- man, Yocum is tough to bring down.  All in all, a solid win on the road.  Gotta win the next two to have a chance...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 28, 2012, 12:11:02 AM
Good job IC!  Been WAY too long since we've beaten Monmouth!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 28, 2012, 08:18:21 AM
The Option pulls out of town.

And thank god.  LOL. 

The Ripon game yesterday with Lake Forest, like the past 8 Lake Forest games, came down to the final couple minutes for the decision.  Ripon's option gave LFC some fits, but I really liked the way LFC defended it.  I know I wasn't the only one who had to take a deep breath when the first play from scrimmage for Ripon went 97 yards for a TD!  But it looked like the Foresters settled down and went to work.


Defending the Option can be tricky.  Lake Forest did it yesterday by showing multiple fronts against it.  They went 4 down lineman, 3 down lineman with 2 inside linebackers right up on center, and then bringing in a new weapon, Mike Hilliard the freshman listed at 6-5 335 pound d-tackle Freshman.  Talking to a couple of the other football junkie parents last night, we all agreed that when he came in, it seemed to be a momentum shift.  He's obviously big, but also moves well for a big guy.  Ripon had trouble with all the zig-zag stuff needed for the option to be effective when he was stuffing the middle.  I really enjoy watching the young guys that can enter a game with little experience and make a differance. 

After that long TD, Ripon went on some long march's, but couldn't get the ball into the endzone.  An interception, a fumble, a 4th down stop ended each of thier drives.  And the problem with that option is when you get behind, it's difficult to play catch up.  They racked up yards, but not points.

In the 4th quarter Ripon got into the Lake Forest red zone, trying two field goals.  The first was blocked by Nick Waters (No int's, but I'll take that block instead anyday!).  That block with 3 minutes left would have allowed Ripon an onside kick attempt if they had made it.

So Hats off to-

First the Lake Forest Seniors- Yesterday was Senior day being the last home game of thier carreers.  Think about what it must be like to be one of these guys.  They have tuffed out being on a team that for the last three years had trouble staying on the road.  They're all top notch in my book and show that sticking with something can have great paybacks.  They stand at the top of the sand pile with one game left.

The Offensive line- They'll never be at the top of the stat page, but these guys came out and took care of business.  They allowed Mitchell to have another 100+ yard day, 1 sack, and no penalties.  Good day in the trenches.

Defensive unit-If you look at the stats, you might think "the Defense?".  They played bend don't break all day.  Gave up yards, but were opportunistic.  Either getting a takeaway or putting up a stand deep in thier own zone.  Well coached and played by these guys.

The whole Ripon team-Came out hard and fast.  Played till the final bell.  Never gave up.  I liked the effort.  But the Triple Option is a dying scheme not because it's so effective.  Now it gives defenses fits because they don't see if for 9 games and it comes into town.  It can be effective, but it has too many negatives to be sustained.  I wonder when Ripon will move on to something else?

So, on to Norbert for all the marbles!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 28, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
So the future is getting clearer.  I believe these are the possible season endings:

If LFC wins against Norbert, they win the conference and go the the NCAA's.

If Norbert wins against Grinell, then beats LFC, these two are co-champs of the MWC and Norbert goes on to the NCAA's.

If the Norbert winning the last two, and Ill Col wins out, we have tri champs and Norbert goes to the NCAA's due to beating LFC head to head.

Regardless of the Lfc/Norbert game.  If Ill Col wins out they wait for a pool C birth which is a stretch.

Boy what a mess this unbalanced schedule has the potential of having.  Norbert and Ill College don't play each other.  Lake Forest not playing Beloit.  Nobody would have guessed this ending from the start, but it has huge implications!

Am I right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on October 29, 2012, 12:11:44 PM
No.

A three-way tie in that scenario throws out head-to-head and goes to quarters led.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 29, 2012, 12:35:17 PM
Every tie breaking scenareo is developed after the end of season comes and something that hasn't happened before happens.  I posed this question to somebody else who is in the know, and got the same response.  But when I asked if they had seen this in writing I got a no.

So has anyone seen this in writing?  I ask this because has the MWC ever had an unbalanced schedule before?  Where all the teams hadn't played each other and were at the top?  Because it might not be written correctly.

I'm just posing the question.  We're going for the win!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on October 29, 2012, 01:58:40 PM
It was confirmed with the conference office this morning.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 29, 2012, 04:17:40 PM
As a Blueboys fan, I'm glad to hear about the tiebreak.  The unbalanced schedule screws everything up, and kudos to Lake Forest for playing and beating the top teams in the conference so far.  They didn't get any favors missing Beloit this year.  A similar situation is playing out in the NCAC, and it appears that they will use head-to-head and then fewest road conference losses to sort out of possible 3 or 4 way tie. 

Just did some research and found out that Cornell College has beaten Illinois College in all 15 matchups, stretching early 1980's to late 1990's (according to Massey's database).  Hopefully, it will be two straight weeks with long streak busting victories. 

I'm sure the off week is a nice time for the Foresters to rest up and get healthy, but I would hate to wait 2 full weeks to play for a playoff berth (assuming Norbert takes care of business in Grinnell).   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 29, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
I got a bit of a chuckle when I just realized that all of you at Ill Col will be pulling for us in two weeks.  Lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 30, 2012, 11:23:47 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 29, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
I got a bit of a chuckle when I just realized that all of you at Ill Col will be pulling for us in two weeks.  Lol

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that will be the case.  Assuming St. Norbert wins in Grinnell on Saturday, IC fans will definitely be pulling for the Green Knights to knock off your Foresters.  That, combined with two Illinois College wins, would force the "quarters led" tiebreaker for the Pool A bid.  This represents Illinois College best hope for the playoffs.  (Although most people thought a Pool C bid was out of the question last year too.)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
You probably want to count up the quarters before you start cheering for them.  If they are ahead, you'll want LFC to win, so your one loss is against the highest rated team it can be for the Pool C bid....

BTW, I have no idea how many quarters you or SNC have led.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 30, 2012, 09:01:39 PM
I just looked it up quarters led for IC.  If both IC and St. Norbert win this week, I'll research St. Norbert and Lake Forest (don't want to jinx anything..ha).

Thus far, IC has led after 27 of 28 possible quarters.  The one other quarter being the 4th against Lake Forest.  Looking through the box scores, I believe IC has led or been tied in every single minute of the season except for the last 1 minute and 12 seconds against LF. 

Again, assuming both SNC and IC win this week, week 11 will feature the top 4 teams in the conference squaring off for all the marbles.  Should be fun final two weeks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 31, 2012, 09:27:10 AM
First set of regional rankings come out this afternoon.  Here are my projections for the West:

                               SOS   Results against Regionally Ranked teams
1   Linfield           7 0   1   W @ Cal Lutheran; W @ Pac Lutheran; W vs. Williamette
2   UW Oshkosh   8 0   19   None
3   St. Thomas     8 0  64   W vs. Bethel
4   Coe              8 0   87   None
5   Bethel           7 1   22   L @ St. Thomas
6   Cal Lutheran   6 1   82   L vs. Linfield
7   Con. Morehead   7 1   30   L @ Bethel
8   Lake Forest       7 1   65   None (Loss at Concordia-Chicago who should be ranked in North)
9   Pacific Lutheran   5 2   9   L vs. Linfield
10   Willamette           6 2   4   L @ Linfield

Sorry for the formatting. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2012, 04:55:21 PM
Boy it's gonna be weird not watching LFC play this weekend.  But I'm sure they are appreciating the rest and extra time to get ready for next week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 02, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
Week 10

Beloit at Carroll - CU
Cornell at Illinois C. - IC
Lawrence at Knox - LU
Monmouth at Ripon - MC
St. Norbert at Grinnell - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 03, 2012, 09:14:02 AM
Looking forward to seeing Cornell for the first time today.  Hoping Flores plays -- I know he has been banged up the last couple weeks.  Will be keeping tabs on the St. Norbert vs. Grinnell game too.  Go Blueboys and Green Knights!

Illinois College 45  Cornell 28
St. Norbert 21  Grinnell 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 02:32:21 PM
End of the first at Grinell.  Grinell up 6-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
IC 8 Cornell 7. Flores is playing...still doesn't look 100% but I think he gives them a better chance even a little banged up. He has made a couple nice throws but a few where it looked like his injury was bothering him a little bit. IC looks very athletic. This could be a shootout. GO Rams!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
End of 1st Q Cornell 14 IC 8. IC is driving the ball. The RB for IC is a stud..Cecil Brimmage?? (spelling?)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 03:01:02 PM
Cornell 21 IC 15 midway throught the 2nd Q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 03:08:07 PM
End of the first half at Grinell.  Norberts scored a TD with 2 minutes left and hit the extra point.  SNC 7- Grinell 6.  Grinell playing spirited defense.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 03:12:54 PM
Good Guys up 26-15 at half over Ripon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
IC 29 Cornell 21 Halftime. IC has missed some opportunities and Cornell has shot themselves in the foot a few times on KOR and have had horrible starting position a few drives because of that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
Grinell kicks a 40 yard field goal to go up 9-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Big run by Yocum followed by punching it in.  33-15 Scots.  Four TDs, FG and Safety = zero punts so far for the Good Guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
Grinnell blocks a Norbert punt get's the ball at the 30.  Move it up to the 4 but can't punch it in.  Kick a field goal.  Now up 12-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 03:50:26 PM
Ripon QB keeper touchdown* and 2 point conversion failed.  33-21 in 3rd.

*A modern-day warrior
Mean mean stride,
Today's Ripon Quarterback
Mean mean pride.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on November 03, 2012, 03:53:13 PM
Is this the same Grinnell team that just lost to Lawrence last week?  WOW!!!!! :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 04:03:06 PM
End of the 3rd in Grinell.  Still up 12-7 but Norberts has the ball at the 10.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 04:05:58 PM
Norberts scores on 4th and 1.  Missed the PAT.  Norberts up 13-12
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
We scored, they scored, we fumbled, they're getting ready to score again....blah, blah, blah.  40-29 end of 3rd.

(announcers almost made an epic faux pas in between quarters, not knowing their mics were still on)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 04:21:43 PM
Now 43-40 Ripon, early in 4th.  The Ripon QB doesn't throw much, but he's having his way with the Scot secondary.

(RoopVegasJr is about to call next week's Turkey Bowl a "Pick-Em")   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
IC 36 Cornell 28 3rd Q
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
Yocum strikes again!  47-43 with 4 minutes remaining. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 04:33:03 PM
Norbert scores on a 40 yard pass to go up by 8.  2 minutes left or so.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2012, 04:38:36 PM
Norbert wins. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 04:41:19 PM
IC 43 Cornell 28. 10 min left in the 4th. Good ball game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 04:43:47 PM
Grrrrr. 50-47 Ripon, kicking off with 1:00 left. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 04:41:19 PM
IC 43 Cornell 28. 10 min left in the 4th. Good ball game

IC 50 Cornell 28. This was a good ball game until an IC dlineman intercepted a tipped pass. Cornell was driving the ball and that really took the wind out of their sails. There is just over 4 mins left in the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 04:57:07 PM
Ugh....Flores fumbles after getting chased down from behind. IC is driving...and right as I am about to post this IC fumbles and gives the ball back to Cornell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 05:01:11 PM
Scots get the ball in place to try a 41 yard FG to tie the game.
Ripon calls timeout.
Scots put their offense back in.
Touch down pass Scots!
No way!!
What's that?
Flag?
Off-sides, Monmouth.
Another flag?
Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.  Monmouth bench.
Referee chats with Coach Bell.
Referee goes to chat with the line judge.
Referee comes back to chat more with Bell.
The call stands.
Mark off the yardage.
Hail Mary....
Incomplete.
Ripon wins the Defense Optional Bowl 50-47.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on November 03, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
IC 50 Cornell 28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 03, 2012, 05:09:45 PM
Radio guy doing the MC game said the initial flag with 9 seconds left was a false start - was that the actual call, or was it something else?  If a false start is called, shouldn't the play be dead?  Why did the play continue? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 03, 2012, 05:13:07 PM
final
Knox beats Lawrence
63-42   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 03, 2012, 09:47:59 PM
It's fun to have a Week 11 that matters in the conference race.

I just finished going through box scores and here is how quarters led breaks down for each team in the championship discussion:
     Lake Forest 21
     St. Norbert 22
     Illinois College 30

Scenarios:
1.)  Lake Forest takes care of business at St. Norbert.  They win the conference title outright and earn the Pool A bid.
2.)  St. Norbert beats Lake Forest, while Carroll knocks off Illinois College.  St. Norbert and Lake Forest both finish 8-1 in the MWC as co-champs.  St. Norbert earns the Pool bid because of H2H.
3.)  St. Norbert and Illinois College both win.  Illinois College has a commanding led in quarters led and will win the Pool A bid because of the quarters led tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 03, 2012, 05:09:45 PM
Radio guy doing the MC game said the initial flag with 9 seconds left was a false start - was that the actual call, or was it something else?  If a false start is called, shouldn't the play be dead?  Why did the play continue?

GOOD question.  Almost as if the flag was thrown after the catch.....  It appeared that Bell's argument was convincing enough that the referee had to go ask the line judge if he was sure of the call. A big pot of home-cooked stew if you ask me.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2012, 01:04:20 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 03, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 03, 2012, 05:09:45 PM
Radio guy doing the MC game said the initial flag with 9 seconds left was a false start - was that the actual call, or was it something else?  If a false start is called, shouldn't the play be dead?  Why did the play continue?

GOOD question.  Almost as if the flag was thrown after the catch.....  It appeared that Bell's argument was convincing enough that the referee had to go ask the line judge if he was sure of the call. A big pot of home-cooked stew if you ask me.   ;)

Too bad the shootout had a controversial ending...would be better to not give up 50 points and put ourselves in that position in the first place though.  It's in the past and nothing anyone can do about it now, other than finish the season on a high note by beating Knox again!  Hopefully alot of these young Scots are learning lessons in these oh-so-close losses and will carry them into the off-season as well as into next season so it doesn't come down to the "Week 11 that matters", which fulbakdad and TitanPride seem to be so in love with. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 04, 2012, 10:39:24 AM
This tie breaker is actually pretty unfair.  Think about it.

The only reason we may end in a three way tie, is because Ill Col didn't play St Norberts.  If they had, one of them would have won and the other lost.  Either way this only could have produced a two way tie which would have been decided by head to head.

The way it is, St Norbert ends up being the loser in the situation.  They can't move on, even if they win.  Ill Col has the potential of sliding in even though they lost to Lake Forest.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2012, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 04, 2012, 10:39:24 AM
This tie breaker is actually pretty unfair.  Think about it.

The only reason we may end in a three way tie, is because Ill Col didn't play St Norberts.  If they had, one of them would have won and the other lost.  Either way this only could have produced a two way tie which would have been decided by head to head.

The way it is, St Norbert ends up being the loser in the situation.  They can't move on, even if they win.  Ill Col has the potential of sliding in even though they lost to Lake Forest.....

St. Norbert can still get into the playoffs.  See Scenario #2 posted above by TitanPride.  Agreed on the rest though...this 11-team, unbalanced schedule is a mess.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 04, 2012, 11:00:59 AM
I meant if there was a three way tie.....If Ill Col wins next week and Norberts beats LFC, then Ill Col moves on even though they had lost a head to head, and Norbert hadn't.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 04, 2012, 11:00:59 AM
I meant if there was a three way tie.....If Ill Col wins next week and Norberts beats LFC, then Ill Col moves on even though they had lost a head to head, and Norbert hadn't.

Now I see what you're saying.  Should be interesting to see how next Saturday plays out and who ends up being upset the most with the tie-breakers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 04, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 04, 2012, 11:00:59 AM
I meant if there was a three way tie.....If Ill Col wins next week and Norberts beats LFC, then Ill Col moves on even though they had lost a head to head, and Norbert hadn't.

Now I see what you're saying.  Should be interesting to see how next Saturday plays out and who ends up being upset the most with the tie-breakers.

F-Dad: Text as many people as you can with this complaint.  Apparently, that is the way you get ahead in the MWC nowadays.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 10:05:51 AM
It would be interesting to know what the vote was on the tiebreakers ... what other options were considered ... and if it will be revisited for next season.

All that said, everyone knew the rules going into it. SNC could have taken care of business against Monmouth and we'd be having a different discussion.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but SNC and IC played the same schedule, right? Both teams faced the other nine conference teams. So, while one could make an argument for using point differential (which I haven't looked up but believe IC would also win) as opposed to quarters led, QL does become and indicator of who 'outplayed' the rest of the conference more substantially. And, does so without encouraging teams to run up the score (if you have any objections to that, which not all do).

I guess what I'm saying is I could think of worse senarios (ie. when the conference didn't have an overtime policy in place for the title game, or having a simple coin flip instead of something game-based).

Meanwhile, our friends in the WIAC will continue to lament that its 2nd place team could likely wax our champion and yet LFC/SNC/IC will be going to the playoffs and UW-Platteville (7-2) won't.

Yes, SNC could come out on the short end of the stick, so to speak. And maybe in a conference that really isn't going to get an at-large bid, playing a closed-loop schedule wouldn't be so bad. But that's a discussion for next year.

Go Knights!  Go Pioneers!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on November 05, 2012, 10:52:45 AM
A little historical perspective - I've been in this conference for 14 years now and the quarters led rule has always been the next tie-breaker after head-to-head. So for all I know that set-up has been the same going on its third decade now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 05, 2012, 11:03:42 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 10:05:51 AM
It would be interesting to know what the vote was on the tiebreakers ... what other options were considered ... and if it will be revisited for next season.

All that said, everyone knew the rules going into it. SNC could have taken care of business against Monmouth and we'd be having a different discussion.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but SNC and IC played the same schedule, right? Both teams faced the other nine conference teams. So, while one could make an argument for using point differential (which I haven't looked up but believe IC would also win) as opposed to quarters led, QL does become and indicator of who 'outplayed' the rest of the conference more substantially. And, does so without encouraging teams to run up the score (if you have any objections to that, which not all do).

I guess what I'm saying is I could think of worse senarios (ie. when the conference didn't have an overtime policy in place for the title game, or having a simple coin flip instead of something game-based).

Meanwhile, our friends in the WIAC will continue to lament that its 2nd place team could likely wax our champion and yet LFC/SNC/IC will be going to the playoffs and UW-Platteville (7-2) won't.

Yes, SNC could come out on the short end of the stick, so to speak. And maybe in a conference that really isn't going to get an at-large bid, playing a closed-loop schedule wouldn't be so bad. But that's a discussion for next year.

Go Knights!  Go Pioneers!

Good post, gbpuckfan.  Have you watched any Lake Forest games online?  How is the St. Norbert offense looking?  Besides the games against the conference bottom feeders, it looks like the Knights might struggle to move the ball/score.  Is that accurate?  If so, it is due primarily to line play, QB, lack of weapons?

On the other side of the ball, the box scores seem to indicate that St. Norbert's defense has been outstanding (similar to LF's).  Can you give us a better of idea of their relative strengths and weaknesses -- against the run, pass, etc.?  Lake Forest has been very balanced all season, nothing flashy but very effective.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
The argument that I would have is how can the team the LFC beat, IC, move forward in a threeway tie when they beat them head to head which is the two way tie. But I would be more concerned if I was SNC and they win Sat, then IC goes to the playoffs.....

SNC, this may be the way it always has been, but have there been unbalanced schedules in the past?  That's what created this potential mess.

Does anyone know how they came up with the schedule?  How did they decide who each team didn't play?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 12:49:15 PM
Probably shouldn't have read Freakonics this last week.  Keeps making me ask questions why.  Not going over well at work either.  lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 05, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
The argument that I would have is how can the team the LFC beat, IC, move forward in a threeway tie when they beat them head to head which is the two way tie. But I would be more concerned if I was SNC and they win Sat, then IC goes to the playoffs.....

SNC, this may be the way it always has been, but have there been unbalanced schedules in the past?  That's what created this potential mess.

Does anyone know how they came up with the schedule?  How did they decide who each team didn't play?

I understand what you are saying, but it's not like IC asked to play Beloit over St. Norbert.  If you went with a head2head tiebreaker that awarded the bid to St. Norbert because they went 1-0 vs. Lake Forest's 1-1 and IC's 0-1, do you really think that's fair to both Lake Forest and IC?  Lake Forest would be penalized because they had to play the top teams in the conference, which is a legit big beef IMO.  IC could complain, although without as much merit, that they weren't allowed to play St. Norbert.

With the unbalanced schedule, quarters led at least attempts to give all 3 a fair shot at determining the "best" team from the entire season.  Lake Forest can make things very simple by finishing the job on Saturday and running the table. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 01:10:31 PM
I agree, we can make is easier on everybody.

but if we didn't, go back to what you said about the common opponents.  They would tie again.  SNC would have beaten LFC and IC would have beaten MC. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 01:27:08 PM
LFC can and will take care of business on Saturday. SNC and IC both sit at home hoping for an at large bid. Coming off a bye week playing a good opponent is always tough, but Coach Kat's got these boys with their head on straight thinking all the right things. 1-0 we take care of business. LFC defense is playing lights out with their back against the wall and #6 is starting to look like the #6 of last year, I know it's late in the season, but now is when we start our Stagg run.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 01:32:16 PM
hit em, you bang a drum? lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 05, 2012, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 01:27:08 PM
LFC can and will take care of business on Saturday. SNC and IC both sit at home hoping for an at large bid. Coming off a bye week playing a good opponent is always tough, but Coach Kat's got these boys with their head on straight thinking all the right things. 1-0 we take care of business. LFC defense is playing lights out with their back against the wall and #6 is starting to look like the #6 of last year, I know it's late in the season, but now is when we start our Stagg run.

MWC still not in a place to get the at large.

Now I would like some input from someone that was at the RC/MC game.  I again, wasn't able to make it or watch it, but now wish I would have been.  Did either team put a defense on the field or did they give each Offense 7 downs to score, starting at the opposite 20 yard line?  ;) 97 points scored in a game, that's crazy! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2012, 02:09:06 PM
I propose the following:

1. No non-conference game.
2. Top four teams have a playoff for automatic selection.
3. In the event Monmouth is not in the top four, the participants include the top three + Monmouth.

This should make everyone happy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 02:16:43 PM
No, not the little drummer boy.

I know, at the present, the MWC is not in a position to get an at large, that's why I said "hoping". Now, IC does stand a chance because the pollsters love them, they have managed to creep back up receiving votes for the top 25 ahead of LFC.

Let's all be honest here, the only team that stands a chance coming out of the MWC to beat anyone is LFC. They are the most balanced team in the conference this year. IC is a good team, however they are one dimensional on offense requiring the passing game to set up the run, and the defense is mid pack in the conference. SNC has appeared to get a lot of breaks this season, similar to the ones that have cost Monmouth, and shouldn't even be in contention with LFC and IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on November 05, 2012, 02:48:15 PM
When the MWC had 12 teams, there were two six-team divisions with a championship game at the end. I know back then there were a lot of teams with 4-1 division records that probably went 1-1 against each other so that tie-breaker has likely been in play at some point.

Everyone should like this...in 2014 the MWC is going to an eight-game conference schedule. Here are SNC's future schedules: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/football/futureschedules.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2012, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 02:16:43 PM
No, not the little drummer boy.

I know, at the present, the MWC is not in a position to get an at large, that's why I said "hoping". Now, IC does stand a chance because the pollsters love them, they have managed to creep back up receiving votes for the top 25 ahead of LFC.

The Top 25 has no bearing on the NCAA playoff selection process. You should listen to the Around the Nation podcast to find out what actually does have a bearing on it.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2012/11/atn-podcast-week-10
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on November 05, 2012, 11:03:42 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 10:05:51 AM
It would be interesting to know what the vote was on the tiebreakers ... what other options were considered ... and if it will be revisited for next season.

All that said, everyone knew the rules going into it. SNC could have taken care of business against Monmouth and we'd be having a different discussion.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but SNC and IC played the same schedule, right? Both teams faced the other nine conference teams. So, while one could make an argument for using point differential (which I haven't looked up but believe IC would also win) as opposed to quarters led, QL does become and indicator of who 'outplayed' the rest of the conference more substantially. And, does so without encouraging teams to run up the score (if you have any objections to that, which not all do).

I guess what I'm saying is I could think of worse senarios (ie. when the conference didn't have an overtime policy in place for the title game, or having a simple coin flip instead of something game-based).

Meanwhile, our friends in the WIAC will continue to lament that its 2nd place team could likely wax our champion and yet LFC/SNC/IC will be going to the playoffs and UW-Platteville (7-2) won't.

Yes, SNC could come out on the short end of the stick, so to speak. And maybe in a conference that really isn't going to get an at-large bid, playing a closed-loop schedule wouldn't be so bad. But that's a discussion for next year.

Go Knights!  Go Pioneers!

Good post, gbpuckfan.  Have you watched any Lake Forest games online?  How is the St. Norbert offense looking?  Besides the games against the conference bottom feeders, it looks like the Knights might struggle to move the ball/score.  Is that accurate?  If so, it is due primarily to line play, QB, lack of weapons?

On the other side of the ball, the box scores seem to indicate that St. Norbert's defense has been outstanding (similar to LF's).  Can you give us a better of idea of their relative strengths and weaknesses -- against the run, pass, etc.?  Lake Forest has been very balanced all season, nothing flashy but very effective.

I have not watched any of LFC online.

This is not SNC's strongest team, especially offensively (Lawrence game excepted, of course). The young QB has gotten better but this is not an offensive juggaurnaut. Of the three in contention, SNC is allowing the fewest yards per game defensively - and is stronger against the run than the pass.

While I certainly would be pleased if SNC wins - and moreso if they make the playoffs - there are certainly more recent teams that I would have been more happy to see in the playoffs. The glass-half-empty part of me worries how SNC would do in the playoffs against, say UWO. But I think just about everyone should have that concern!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 05, 2012, 02:09:06 PM
I propose the following:

1. No non-conference game.
2. Top four teams have a playoff for automatic selection.
3. In the event Monmouth is not in the top four, the participants include the top three + Monmouth.

This should make everyone happy.
My take.

1. Fine with me, but some teams with rivalries (ie Coe/Cornell) aren't going to go for it. Neither are those schools who believe a MWC team can get an at-large and schedule a tough non-con opponent.

2. I think you are kidding, but NCAA doesn't allow. If we get to 12, two divisional winners can meet in a title game. Which is what we used to do before Coe and Cornell left.

3.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 03:44:47 PM
Quote from: sncsid on November 05, 2012, 02:48:15 PM

Everyone should like this...in 2014 the MWC is going to an eight-game conference schedule. Here are SNC's future schedules: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/football/futureschedules.html

Thanks for the info.

Hmmm... so instead of not playing one team, it goes to not playing two. Not sure if that's better or worse.

Is there provision (a la the Big Ten with Wis-Minn) to protect rivalries - such as Ripon/Lawrence?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 03:45:32 PM
"You should listen to the Around the Nation podcast to find out what actually does have a bearing on it."

I was trying to be sarcastic based on LFC (MWC) getting "no respect" because Monmouth is no longer a front runner.

I do listen to this podcast, I have for quite sometime now, but all that is talked about is the same 3 conferences for 45 minutes and then they quickly touch the surface of the remaining 200+ teams just to say they talked about "teams around the nation". I understand that D3 covers more schools than any other conference, however what should be talked about at large are the teams that are exceeding expectations, those that are causing upsets. Not talking about the same conference for four straight weeks. I would suggest a little more variety.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2012, 04:03:33 PM
Quote from: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 03:45:32 PM
"You should listen to the Around the Nation podcast to find out what actually does have a bearing on it."

I was trying to be sarcastic based on LFC (MWC) getting "no respect" because Monmouth is no longer a front runner.

I do listen to this podcast, I have for quite sometime now, but all that is talked about is the same 3 conferences for 45 minutes and then they quickly touch the surface of the remaining 200+ teams just to say they talked about "teams around the nation". I understand that D3 covers more schools than any other conference, however what should be talked about at large are the teams that are exceeding expectations, those that are causing upsets. Not talking about the same conference for four straight weeks. I would suggest a little more variety.

Well, I don't think that's an accurate representation. Surely if you have listened as much as you claim, you would know the Top 25 has no bearing on playoff selection, considering Keith says it pretty much every week.

Also, honestly, the schools that participate with the site do get more coverage because there is more information disseminated. Good to have you on the board, though -- perhaps you and others can help elevate the level of discourse around the Midwest Conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: jjwalsh7496 on November 05, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
IC will only get an at large bid if they beat Carroll...they are the number three defense in the nation. SOS isn't great but both of their losses are a combined 10 points.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: jjwalsh7496 on November 05, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
IC will only get an at large bid if they beat Carroll...they are the number three defense in the nation. SOS isn't great but both of their losses are a combined 10 points.

Number three in the nation??? What stat site are you looking at? They'd be lucky to be considered 3rd in the MWC, and they played Beloit.

Good luck with Carroll this week, you're going to need it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2012, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: jjwalsh7496 on November 05, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
IC will only get an at large bid if they beat Carroll...they are the number three defense in the nation. SOS isn't great but both of their losses are a combined 10 points.

There was an Adrian fan on Twitter that was also claiming the No. 3 defense in the nation, but the important thing to remember is these are all statistics-based, and stats are reliant on the teams you are scheduled to play. It's not like a 32-team NFL where everyone plays each other.

Carroll does have the No. 3 defense in terms of total yards allowed, but they also have the 200th "toughest" schedule in Division III.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/toughest%20schedule/3_9games_past.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 05, 2012, 04:49:37 PM
Quote from: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: jjwalsh7496 on November 05, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
IC will only get an at large bid if they beat Carroll...they are the number three defense in the nation. SOS isn't great but both of their losses are a combined 10 points.

Number three in the nation??? What stat site are you looking at? They'd be lucky to be considered 3rd in the MWC, and they played Beloit.

Good luck with Carroll this week, you're going to need it.

hahaha, i was hoping for someone to say that!!  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: jjwalsh7496 on November 05, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Didn't I say that with "our SOS isn't great"!
I guess I should have been clearer lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 05:08:24 PM
All of the rankings are just too subjective.  Look at this weeks top 25.  IC is ranked above Lake Forest even though LFC beat them.  Trinity (Conn) is ranked above both, even though they play in the NESCAC which never plays out of the NESCAC and don't participate in the NCAA's.  Take that and only an 8 game schedule and you can see why I believe this top 25 IMHO isn't very good.  They keep giving teams with "history" passes, leagues that aren't comparable credit, etc.  Whenever challenged you'll hear that when you're that far down the list votes don't matter. 

Ok, standing by for the salvo!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2012, 05:17:26 PM
Quote from: jjwalsh7496 on November 05, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Didn't I say that with "our SOS isn't great"!
I guess I should have been clearer lol

Well, true. Just clarifying its ungreatness.

And fulbakdad, no offense, nobody here cares about your NESCAC vendetta. You and Keith McMillan should talk about the NESCAC. He's actually seen them play in person, not online. Stop bothering me with it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 05, 2012, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 05, 2012, 02:16:43 PM
No, not the little drummer boy.

I know, at the present, the MWC is not in a position to get an at large, that's why I said "hoping". Now, IC does stand a chance because the pollsters love them, they have managed to creep back up receiving votes for the top 25 ahead of LFC.

Let's all be honest here, the only team that stands a chance coming out of the MWC to beat anyone is LFC. They are the most balanced team in the conference this year. IC is a good team, however they are one dimensional on offense requiring the passing game to set up the run, and the defense is mid pack in the conference. SNC has appeared to get a lot of breaks this season, similar to the ones that have cost Monmouth, and shouldn't even be in contention with LFC and IC.

One dimensional offense?  That offense averages the second most yards on the ground per game with 248 per.  That doesn't sound one dimensional to me.  And that defense is 4th best in scoring at 24 per game, leads the conference in sacks, and is 2nd in interceptions.  Middle of the pack?

If anyone has a chance to win out of the MWC, maybe we should pick the team who has actually done it the last two years in non-conference games.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 05, 2012, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on November 05, 2012, 11:03:42 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2012, 10:05:51 AM
It would be interesting to know what the vote was on the tiebreakers ... what other options were considered ... and if it will be revisited for next season.

All that said, everyone knew the rules going into it. SNC could have taken care of business against Monmouth and we'd be having a different discussion.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but SNC and IC played the same schedule, right? Both teams faced the other nine conference teams. So, while one could make an argument for using point differential (which I haven't looked up but believe IC would also win) as opposed to quarters led, QL does become and indicator of who 'outplayed' the rest of the conference more substantially. And, does so without encouraging teams to run up the score (if you have any objections to that, which not all do).

I guess what I'm saying is I could think of worse senarios (ie. when the conference didn't have an overtime policy in place for the title game, or having a simple coin flip instead of something game-based).

Meanwhile, our friends in the WIAC will continue to lament that its 2nd place team could likely wax our champion and yet LFC/SNC/IC will be going to the playoffs and UW-Platteville (7-2) won't.

Yes, SNC could come out on the short end of the stick, so to speak. And maybe in a conference that really isn't going to get an at-large bid, playing a closed-loop schedule wouldn't be so bad. But that's a discussion for next year.

Go Knights!  Go Pioneers!

Good post, gbpuckfan.  Have you watched any Lake Forest games online?  How is the St. Norbert offense looking?  Besides the games against the conference bottom feeders, it looks like the Knights might struggle to move the ball/score.  Is that accurate?  If so, it is due primarily to line play, QB, lack of weapons?

On the other side of the ball, the box scores seem to indicate that St. Norbert's defense has been outstanding (similar to LF's).  Can you give us a better of idea of their relative strengths and weaknesses -- against the run, pass, etc.?  Lake Forest has been very balanced all season, nothing flashy but very effective.

I have not watched any of LFC online.

This is not SNC's strongest team, especially offensively (Lawrence game excepted, of course). The young QB has gotten better but this is not an offensive juggaurnaut. Of the three in contention, SNC is allowing the fewest yards per game defensively - and is stronger against the run than the pass.

While I certainly would be pleased if SNC wins - and moreso if they make the playoffs - there are certainly more recent teams that I would have been more happy to see in the playoffs. The glass-half-empty part of me worries how SNC would do in the playoffs against, say UWO. But I think just about everyone should have that concern!

Sounds like it should be a good game.  Thanks for your insight.  Lake Forest is tough to score against whether your offense is great or just average, so it will be important for SNC to take care of the ball and play field position.  If SNC's defense can limit the Lake Forest ground game, that will be huge.  They have a talented WR is Sobey but seem to have relied more heavily on the run this year vs. the pass.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 06:04:43 PM
Hey Pat.  I posted that on the MWC board.  How is that bothering you?  Lol but I knew youd have to respond!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2012, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 05, 2012, 06:04:43 PM
Hey Pat.  I posted that on the MWC board.  How is that bothering you?  Lol but I knew youd have to respond!

Nice try but you know full well you tweeted it at me yesterday and you injected it into a conversation I'd just posted in. Nobody is fooled if you try to say it wasn't aimed at me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2012, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2012, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: jjwalsh7496 on November 05, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
IC will only get an at large bid if they beat Carroll...they are the number three defense in the nation. SOS isn't great but both of their losses are a combined 10 points.

There was an Adrian fan on Twitter that was also claiming the No. 3 defense in the nation, but the important thing to remember is these are all statistics-based, and stats are reliant on the teams you are scheduled to play. It's not like a 32-team NFL where everyone plays each other.

Carroll does have the No. 3 defense in terms of total yards allowed, but they also have the 200th "toughest" schedule in Division III.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2012/Internet/toughest%20schedule/3_9games_past.pdf

That's because they didn't play the Scots this year.....  Otherwise, I'm sure they'd be top 50 at least!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 06, 2012, 05:31:14 AM
Lol, Pat, not trying to fool anyone.  Just posting on a board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 06, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
Been a very long time and have not been able to keep up with all the possibilities. Is this the correct scenario? SNC beats Lake Forest and they go to the playoffs?
IC is ineligible due to recruiting violations?
Or are both scenarios incorrect?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 06, 2012, 11:14:20 AM
Here's what the possiblities are.

If SNC beats Lake Forest, they can only move onto the playoffs if IC loses (There were no playoff penalties for the violations).
If the above happens and IC wins, IC moves on. (Because the three-way tiebreaker is most quarters led during the year).
If either of the above happens, LFC-SNC-IC are three-way MWC champions.

If LFC wins, they are MWC Champions and move on to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2012, 04:40:44 AM
Saw this on another board for a tie breaker.  I like it better than quarters lead for the 3-way....




1. Head-to-Head result(s) between tied teams.

2. Result(s) versus individual opponents examined in descending order, individually, until tie is broken. The tied teams must have a common opponent in order for the result to be considered; if not a common opponent, move to the next team in the standings. The first team to have beaten a higher-ranked team that is a common opponent wins the tiebreaker. If the tie is not broken in the descending order review, start from the bottom of the standings and examine opponents in ascending order. The first team to have lost to a lower-ranked team loses the tiebreaker (no common opponent provision in ascending review).

3. The team with the fewest losses in conference away games.

4. The team with the higher preseason power ranking used to determine conference schedule. This provision would not apply if a tiebreaker had been used to separate the teams in final power ranking.

5. The team with the longest active winning streak in conference play at the end of the season.

6. The team that has not participated in the NCAA playoffs for the longest period of years.

7. Coin Toss.

When three or more teams are tied, the same procedure shall be followed until one team is eliminated. The process shall then be repeated until one team emerges.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 07, 2012, 08:32:21 AM
I'm a couple pages late to the party--nice to see this thread actually blowing up a bit!--but my take on a couple of things.  I don't think eliminating non-con games is a good idea.  Though some teams don't schedule heavy weights for these, they're good to give at least some idea of how our teams rank against other conferences.  Yes, it's sort of created a problem for this year and I haven't looked at the 8-game schedule yet but for the long haul, I don't think eliminating non-con games is good.

IC is postseason eligible.  Honestly, other than effecting off campus recruiting, the probation won't really effect them much at all.  Since the rule they broke is no longer a rule, I think the NCAA felt they had to do something, but didn't want to go overboard either. 

Maybe I'm misreading things here, but there seems to be a sentiment that it's too bad St. Norbert didn't get to play IC; based on how the last couple years have gone, maybe it's too bad from the Blueboys perspective they didn't get to play St. Norbert ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
Be careful what you say WNC.  If IC had played SNC this year and beat them, IC would be out of the playoffs and only hoping SNC would beat LFC.  Then IC and LFC would be Co-Champs, but LFC would go to the NCAA's due to h2h......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2012, 09:35:44 AM
The unbalanced schedule just sucks!  If they stick with it, every year there will be complaints (valid if you ask me) about the final standings!

Find another team and have a east/west or north/south groups with championship game at the end.  I hate would have, could have endings in sports.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 07, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 07, 2012, 09:35:44 AM
The unbalanced schedule just sucks!  If they stick with it, every year there will be complaints (valid if you ask me) about the final standings!

Find another team and have a east/west or north/south groups with championship game at the end.  I hate would have, could have endings in sports.

For someone who hates "would have, could have" you are sure talking a lot about what "could be".  Let's wait and see what happens on saturday AND THEN start having the conversations.  I have a feeling that next year there will not be such a concern with this.  Just saying, I guess we'll just have to wait and see........................................  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 07, 2012, 11:11:10 AM
Now that it's Wednesday, might as well start throwing out some predictions. 

I think Lake Forest has a great shot of going up to DePere and beating the Knights.  Obviously, I'd love to see it go the other way.  Both teams have what appear to be very strong defenses.  However, I favor the Foresters O from what I've seen in person, in box scores, etc.  I'm just not sure St. Norbert has the offensive weapons to put many points up.  I think it will be a low scoring, close game.  St. Norbert will have to turn Lake Forest over and protect the ball themselves to win.  Lake Forest odds of winning the game: 80%

The Illinois College vs. Carroll game sets up as a barnburner.  Carroll has a solid defense of their own and as was mentioned earlier in this thread, they have lost their two games by a combined 10 points (7 of those coming in OT vs. St. Norbert).  They are only a razor thin margin away from being in the title picture themselves.  IC's defense has improved this season, but they are going to be challenged by Carroll's RB, Lamont Williams, who is averaging close to 200 yards on the ground over the last 4 games.  A ball control offense combined with a stingy defense will pose a big challenge for the Blueboys.  You know the Blueboys will be ready to go and I like them to win, but I don't think it will be easy.  Illinois College odds of winning the game:  60%

So based on that, here are the chances I give each team of winning the Pool A bid:

Lake Forest:  80%
Illinois College:  12%
St. Norbert:  8%
Monmouth:  0%  sorry, that was mean  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2012, 11:17:30 AM
Redhawk, let me clarify.  I hate would have could have in the past tense. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2012, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on November 07, 2012, 11:11:10 AM

So based on that, here are the chances I give each team of winning the Pool A bid:

Lake Forest:  80%
Illinois College:  12%
St. Norbert:  8%
Monmouth:  0%  sorry, that was mean  ;D

So what does make Beloit's chances?

Sorry, that was really mean...  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 08, 2012, 05:00:14 PM
Packing for our flight tomorrow.  Looking forward to the game on Saturday.  We've got a parents bus chartered and I heard there's a bus for students going too.  Should be a good one, but I saw a chance of rain for the weather????

Lake Forest is surprisingly healthy at this point of the season.  They had a couple guys nicked up around games 3 and 4 but from what I've heard just about everyones back.  This is unlike last year when there was a platoon of injured players on the sidelines for the last game.

I predict a lot of tackles from the 2 inside linebackers Saturday (Preston and Cruz).  But I think the D-Line and the outside backers to be the pressure guys. 

On Offense they have really become 2 dimensional.  3 solid backs are getting things done and Scaffidi is doing it on the ground and throwing it.  The O line is doing awesome.

Hoping it all comes together!

Lake Forest 31-SNC 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2012, 09:31:41 PM
Forecast for De Pere:
high of 56
60% chance of rain
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 09, 2012, 01:58:40 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2012, 09:31:41 PM
Forecast for De Pere:
high of 56
60% chance of rain
Weather doesn't matter these boys were hoping for snow.

Two scenarios, same outcome

1) SNC scores on the opening posession and holds LFC scoreless for the first quarter then LFC's D comes to life and SNC doesn't see the endzone the rest of the day, Offense scores 4
LFC wins 28-7

2) LFC comes out and lays the hammer down, blows SNC out of the stadium 42-0.

I'm going OPTION 2
ROLL BABY ROLL!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 09, 2012, 03:07:12 PM
Week 11

Carroll at Illinois C. - IC
Grinnell at Cornell - CC
Knox at Monmouth - MC
Lake Forest at St. Norbert - LFC
Ripon at Lawrence - RC

Good luck Fighting Scots!  Knuck Fox! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 09, 2012, 03:25:54 PM
Hit in the mouth, are you well versed in ICS?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 09, 2012, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 09, 2012, 03:25:54 PM
Hit in the mouth, are you well versed in ICS?
Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 09, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Trying to figure out who you are, lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 10, 2012, 06:53:55 AM
Hey Pat,

Nice choice on who'll be on your radar! 

LOL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 10, 2012, 07:21:05 AM
Relax -- it wasn't much of a ringing endorsement.


"After a couple of years on the sidelines, St. Norbert is again playing a part in the Midwest Conference race. They could take Lake Forest down on Saturday, but if not, they were here in the end, which is something that would have been difficult to imagine after the opener against John Carroll."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 02:05:25 PM
LU gets a 59yard td pass for early 7-0 lead over Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 02:12:35 PM
SNC gets 55 yard punt return to the 1, Wiliams scores on first play for 7-0 lead

No rain, btw
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 02:26:48 PM
SNC forces a quick punt again. Starts drive on LFC 45, gets an 11-yard TD pass.

14~0 SNC midway through first
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Rough start offensively for the Foresters. LFC gets a first down, but then Scaffidi tosses an INT.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
SNC gets 37yd field goal to turn the INT into points. 17-0.

What's with the lfc guy with the drum?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 02:38:08 PM
Carroll leads IC 21-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 03:11:12 PM
Carroll leads IC 28-0

LFC missed field goal near end of half. At half 17-0 SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 03:25:47 PM
Cornell 25
Grinned 0
half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 03:35:54 PM
Half
Ripon 21
lawence 34
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 03:48:28 PM
IC coming back - now 28-14 Carroll
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 03:55:17 PM
Carroll answers. 35-14 with 9:33 left third

LFC makes first trip to rezone and gets a field goal. SNC leads 17-3 with 3:01 left third.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 03:59:44 PM
End of 3
LFC 3
SNC 17

SNC can't do anything offensively. Scaffidi taking a beating. LFC ball again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 04:02:23 PM
Carroll forces turnover, scores, leads 42-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 04:13:27 PM
SNC finally gets some offense. FG makes it 20-3 SNC - and more importantly a three-score lead with 7:59 remaining
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 04:26:37 PM
And there is your dagger!

SNC stops LFC on 4th down, takes over on the LFC 25 with 3:36 left.

Carroll still leads IC by 28.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 04:38:48 PM
LFC gets a long drive together, with help of a pass interference on SNC, and gets td with 53.5 left. 20-10 SNC lead.

LFC out of timeouts

Onside kick recovered by SNC

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 04:41:49 PM
Carroll int for touchdown. 49-14 pioneers!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
And for the 14th time, the Green Knights are Midwest Conference champs!

presuming Carroll holds on, I hope SNC does ok next week. Will certainly be huge underdogs against UWO or UST.

That last (meaningless) drive aside, the SNC defense did a great job getting pressure and keeping the Foresters out of the redzone except for one trip. The offense will need to play much better next week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 05:23:21 PM
Final
Carroll 49
Illinois Col 14

Final
Grinnell 27
Cornell 32

Final
Knox 35
Monmouth 49
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2012, 07:19:05 PM
Could watch any live streaming today but caught the scores.  Top to bottom, easily one of the most intriguing days of the year, decade, or century thus far. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2012, 07:28:38 PM
Final
Ripon 56
Lawrence 55

Redhawks TD with :38 left for the win. Second week in a row LU sets school record for most combined points in a game - losing both.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 11, 2012, 08:15:39 AM
I must say after the Dublin game I did not expect this. Some players really must have pulled together and turned this group of players into a team in spite of situations.  ;D No matter what the odds just remember, you are in the NCAA Tournament. Win or Lose, that is something to be proud of. Enjoy the moment guys. You earned it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
31-13? 42-0? Um, not quite. ;)

As I said last week, I hadn't watched LFC all year. So, what was different yesterday?

After that inital flurry, LFC's defense did a really good job of shutting down SNC's offense. Was the Forester OL line play much different than it had been? I give the QB credit for getting back up over and over, but he really took a pounding. Was LFC not used to playing from behind?

SNC came out fast but really had to just hang on. Play like that this week and SNC loses by 42 to the Titans, Tommies or UMHB (if d3football.com is right).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2012, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 10, 2012, 06:53:55 AM
Hey Pat,

Nice choice on who'll be on your radar! 

LOL

Thanks, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
Finally back home after way too much travelling this weekend.  Two flights, 3 hours in a car, 6 hours on a bus...

First hats off to SNC.  They came out shooting and took advantage of 3 quick short fields.  I think the bye week didn't help LFC at all.  They were flat the first quarter and half the second. 

The SNC front 7 did a good job and stopped LFC from establishing a running game which I believe sealed the victory.  #4 Green is a baller.  He is dangerous anyway he gets the ball.

Lake Forest D did come back to life and the Offense only got going with the passing game in the second half. 

Scaffidi took some pounding, but he kept getting back up.  Now the season is over so I can say that he's been playing hurt most of the season.  He's had a shoulder issue for a while now missing full weeks of practices, but still showing up on Saturday to play.  If we had NFL announcers they might have attributed the number of short passes that were thrown at shoetop level to that.  Not sure if that was the problem or not, but they were out of sync most of the game.  Nobody's gonna question his toughness though.

The LFC O-line showed they were young yesterday.  Only one starter from last year was there.  That and they lost a starter to a tore ACL last week.  But I think this is positive stuff for them next year.  They played up all year and won't forget yesterday for some time I'm sure.

So our year ends.  But I'm proud of what they did.  They were picked 6th at the begining of the year in the coaches poll.  If they had the poll today, they might be picked in the same place.  They played some gutsy football and came together as a team.  Talking to one of the players from a couple years ago on the bus, I heard there's just a different attitude out there.  Looking forward to next year.

Good luck to SNC in the NCAA's.  Do the MWC proud!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
Hey Pat, Glad you are appreciative.  Easier to do the day after the game!  I would have thought the team that was 3-7 going into it came from off the radar, but I guess the team that had the relatively same record for the last 3 years was way off, right?

LOL
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2012, 04:53:16 PM
Sorry, smarmy guy -- on game day I have better things to do than go through all the boards looking for backhanded compliments.

This might surprise you, but St. Norbert hasn't been on the national radar for a while. On yours, maybe, but not the general D-III fan. That is who it's written to.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
Smarmy guy? No, I was a Marine.

You seem to reply to mine though.  It only took you 2 minutes on that one.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
Titon Pride, you missed it.  I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2012, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
Smarmy guy? No, I was a Marine.

You seem to reply to mine though.  It only took you 2 minutes on that one.

:)

Yep. Because it's not game day. We're all sitting around waiting for the bracket like everyone else.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2012, 05:34:28 PM
Fulbakdad - thanks for the review of the game. Even without the playoff bid, LFC did have a great season and can still hang a banner!

As for the playoffs...  not sure this is the year anyone from our league would be springing upsets but that's why they play the games!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2012, 05:41:02 PM
It's been a great season in the MWC.  There wer 5-6 teams that could have won it all.  Slugfest to the end!  That's football in my mind.

As for the review, I try to be objective...seen great players on every team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2012, 06:11:33 PM
SNC at UST.

Let's play hockey!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: tommiegun on November 12, 2012, 10:15:54 AM
What's the scuttlebutt on SNC?

Are they as good or better than the previous two times St. Thomas has played them?  In my opinion, this St. Thomas team is as good (but very different) from the teams that played St. Norbert's.  As a DI equivalent, I'd say last year St. Thomas was a lot like "Oregon" (just straight pounding people with an impressive offense) and this year they are a lot like "Notre Dame" (balanced, prone to turnovers, and just keep winning).

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 12, 2012, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: tommiegun on November 12, 2012, 10:15:54 AM
What's the scuttlebutt on SNC?

Are they as good or better than the previous two times St. Thomas has played them?  In my opinion, this St. Thomas team is as good (but very different) from the teams that played St. Norbert's.  As a DI equivalent, I'd say last year St. Thomas was a lot like "Oregon" (just straight pounding people with an impressive offense) and this year they are a lot like "Notre Dame" (balanced, prone to turnovers, and just keep winning).

They've got a much better QB, relatively speaking, than Notre Dame. IMO
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 12, 2012, 11:56:16 AM
I don't think this SNC team is as good offensively as what UST saw the last two years - and those Green Knight teams only managed 7 points each time. The QB is a freshman. He has steadily improved throughout the year and I'm optimistic about 2-3 years from now, but still a freshman. There are a couple of playmakers offensively.

What I noticed from the previous two UST/SNC games was how the Tommies dominated the line of scrimmage. Simply more size and power in purple than green. Presuming that's still the case, could be a long day for the visitors. But SNC only has to win once (as opposed to a best-of-7) so anything's possible!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 12, 2012, 03:39:55 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 12, 2012, 11:56:16 AM
What I noticed from the previous two UST/SNC games was how the Tommies dominated the line of scrimmage. Simply more size and power in purple than green. Presuming that's still the case, could be a long day for the visitors. But SNC only has to win once (as opposed to a best-of-7) so anything's possible!

IMO, UST is stronger on both lines this year. And that's saying something because they've been exceptional in those areas for about 3 years now. There pass pro is impeccable. When someone does get through, O'Connell is very mobile and crafty. He rarely takes a sack and they do a formidable job of utilizing his athleticism and ability to throw on the run with designed bootlegs and rollouts. Their run blocking is solid. They don't have any game changers in the backfield, but between a good oline and good RB's they get yds on the ground.

On the Dline, they got 2 transfers (both DI FCS I believe) to add to an already good line. They are powerful, fast and deep. Their corners are physical and compete for jump balls well.

Their are two big question marks for UST right now.

1 - Are they healthy. They finished the season with a lot of guys banged up or done for the year. It's a testament to their depth how well they finished. But it's a different story in the postseason.

2 - How well their young guys perform. We've already seen that O'Connell is up to the task. But given the injuries, they've got some guys starting and playing significant minutes who normally would have been a year or more away from significant playing time. They've stepped up to the plate thus far. But again, how do they respond in the playoffs when they're tested by a more experienced and equally gifted team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 13, 2012, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 09, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Trying to figure out who you are, lol
I'm with 82
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on November 13, 2012, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
31-13? 42-0? Um, not quite. ;)

As I said last week, I hadn't watched LFC all year. So, what was different yesterday?

After that inital flurry, LFC's defense did a really good job of shutting down SNC's offense. Was the Forester OL line play much different than it had been? I give the QB credit for getting back up over and over, but he really took a pounding. Was LFC not used to playing from behind?

SNC came out fast but really had to just hang on. Play like that this week and SNC loses by 42 to the Titans, Tommies or UMHB (if d3football.com is right).

As much as I need to swallow my pride after Saturday's loss, I have to stick up for LFC and say this was not the team that was 8-0 in the MWC. The offense never got their feet under themselves. The defense was there, they only gave up 3 points. LFC beat LFC, it wasn't SNC. That said, the Knights did show that they wanted this game, everything fell into place for them.

It's a shame that the top three teams in the MWC aren't going to the playoffs. Hopefully SNC can knock off the Tommies to get the MWC a little street credit in D-III. In order to do so, they are going to need to find a few more weapons other than just #4.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2012, 04:51:46 PM
Final
St. Norbert 17
St. Thomas 48

Congrats to the Tommies. A little big bigger spread than I had hopes for but UST had a great first half.

Congrats to SNC on another title.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 17, 2012, 08:17:07 PM
My hardy congratulations to all the SNC players. You guys were supposed to finish third or fourth in the conference. But come November, you pulled it together and represented the Midwest against a top 5 D3 team. Do not hang your head. Do not feel down. By now you should be back in DePere celebrating your season success. Enjoy it. Revel in it. And stand down for the day. Then start working toward next year. Juniors, you are the leaders from this point forward. Get to work on Monday. Lead the team to ANOTHER conference championship next year. I look forward to seeing pictures posted of the St. Norbert Green Knights.

Now, on to hockey. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 19, 2012, 03:22:44 PM
So is it time to start looking ahead to 2013 yet??? 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 20, 2012, 09:08:41 AM
Quote from: Maverick on November 19, 2012, 03:22:44 PM
So is it time to start looking ahead to 2013 yet??? 8-)

Gee, let me think....  What team could be primed for a comeback to their rightful place atop the conference???   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 20, 2012, 12:15:12 PM
I think Lake Forest will be sitting pretty good.  But I hope the Coaches poll puts them in 8th or 9th!

On Defense, the Foresters return almost eveyone that started this year.  There are 2 seniors, but one of them is eligable for a 5th year due to a injury redshirt.  The Defense was the difference maker, I believe, from last year to this year.  They played hungry and looking for respect.  The 4 starting Linebackers and Van Meter behind them played very well and with the additional confidance from this year should return solid.  There were a couple Freshman D-backs that got some good playing time and showed some promise too.  If they can tighten up the pass defense some more, they could be scary.

On Offense, losing Scaffidi, Mitchell, Sobe, and Al-Mutawa will hurt.  Scaffidi was the true leader of this group.  His on field leadership will be missed.  But like every other team in the nation it's time for others to step up and take the torch. 

Junior QB Mike Lewis (I believe he has two years left to play) was in compitition with Scaffidi at the start of last year for the starting spot.  Like Bill Bellicheck said when asked about a player stepping in when someone left, it's not like we went out on the street to find a replacement.  Lewis had some big plays this year. One of my favorite TD's was when he took off like it was a QB sneak, then stopped when the LB's bit and threw a 10 yard toss to a wide open tight end. 

The Offensive Line was the big surprise this year.  There was only one starter at the begining of the season with any College playing time.  They came together and gelled through the year.  They played above all expectations.  I hope this year will only drive the harder next year.

Valdivia and Howe were solid running the ball behind Mitchell and both should do better next year.  Valdivia was the new kid who caught a lot of attention.  He runs tough, more of a north/south guy, and is hard to take down.

The recievers will have to jockey again for the "go to guy" label.  Sobe did it this year.  We'll see who steps up next year.

Talking to a couple of players from the past coupe years, they're all saying there's a different attitude with this bunch.  They are confident and a little cockey.  On Monday after losing to SNC, I saw numerous Tweet's about meeting in the Gym to get going on next year.  I like the attitudes and how Coach Cat is driving them. 

Looking forward to next August!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 25, 2012, 09:46:30 AM
I've been following this conference in some detail since I began playing for IC back in 1998.  It seems to me that once a few teams establish themselves at the top--and for a while it was just one team with St. Norbert--it takes several seasons for some new blood to break through.  That being said, is there any reason to think the top four for next season won't be Lake Forest, St. Norbert, Monmouth, and IC again?  I know IC was still fairly young, but not real sure about the other teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 04, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
And once again at D3football.com, the crew misses the boat.  They pick the all West teams and nobody from the two teams that won the conferance make the team, including the Midwest Conferance Offensive Player of the year.

Nice!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2012, 06:13:55 PM
We definitely don't always agree with coaches' all-conference picks. All-conference picks tend to favor the champions and tend to favor the seniors, while we really try to favor the best players when we can (although, no doubt, we also tend to have a lot of seniors and a lot of players from conference champs -- good teams tend to have good players). Sometimes a sophomore is better than a senior.

For my ballot particularly, when I looked at how the coaches' pick and our pick fared against the other top common opponents in the conference, I saw a pretty significant difference that made me comfortable with picking against the coaches' selections.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 04, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 04, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
And once again at D3football.com, the crew misses the boat.

So when else did they miss the boat in your opinion? Just wondering.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
Quote from: pg04 on December 04, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 04, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
And once again at D3football.com, the crew misses the boat.

So when else did they miss the boat in your opinion? Just wondering.

Not ranking Salve Regina.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 04, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
Quote from: pg04 on December 04, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 04, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
And once again at D3football.com, the crew misses the boat.

So when else did they miss the boat in your opinion? Just wondering.

Not ranking Salve Regina.

This is why I asked the question. I am hoping there was more basis to saying that. Because if that's it, results very quickly showed that wasn't a boat missed.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 05, 2012, 06:31:14 AM
I was gonna sit back and watch you two have a conversation answering questions for me longer but that's not really fun.

So if you don't use the All Conferance picks to come up with your choices, what do you use?  Just stats?

On defense, a team that loses more than it wins will boost the stats of thier players up because they are on the field longer and making more plays.  You're right, you shouldn't use the choices of the coach's that watch them each week. 

Or do you watch all of these players?  You've posted reply's to me that you don't. 

To say which boat did you miss, all you have to do is look at the East.  You picked a QB in a league that plays 8 games, against defensive players that absolutely don't measure up to 90 percent of the teams in other leagues, which makes it much easier to boost stats.  And I can say that because I've actually watched that league in a number of games, both in person and on video. 

I say instead of a group of guys that are far detached from where the teams are (or did you have a group from each area pick these teams?) defer to a group that is in the area.  And yeah, maybe the coaches that see them....To me you appear to be too focused on the top 10 teams in the country and then there is this soft spot for that league that doesn't play anyone else...

See, Salve didn't come into play at all.  I acknowledge they slipped up.  Haven't spoken about them for a while.  I was only doing that when they were actually trying to do the right thing and seemed to be going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 05, 2012, 07:58:11 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 05, 2012, 06:31:14 AM

You picked a QB in a league that plays 8 games, against defensive players that absolutely don't measure up to 90 percent of the teams in other leagues, which makes it much easier to boost stats.  And I can say that because I've actually watched that league in a number of games, both in person and on video. 

This is just an absurd statement. So you are saying that All the teams in the NESCAC are worse than 90 percent of the other teams in Division III?

Also, I'm not sure that because you've watched a handful of games, that makes you more knowledgeable than those who selected the team, but who knows.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 05, 2012, 06:31:14 AM
I was gonna sit back and watch you two have a conversation answering questions for me longer but that's not really fun.

So if you don't use the All Conferance picks to come up with your choices, what do you use?  Just stats?

On defense, a team that loses more than it wins will boost the stats of thier players up because they are on the field longer and making more plays.  You're right, you shouldn't use the choices of the coach's that watch them each week. 

Or do you watch all of these players?  You've posted reply's to me that you don't. 

To say which boat did you miss, all you have to do is look at the East.  You picked a QB in a league that plays 8 games, against defensive players that absolutely don't measure up to 90 percent of the teams in other leagues, which makes it much easier to boost stats.  And I can say that because I've actually watched that league in a number of games, both in person and on video. 

I say instead of a group of guys that are far detached from where the teams are (or did you have a group from each area pick these teams?) defer to a group that is in the area.  And yeah, maybe the coaches that see them....To me you appear to be too focused on the top 10 teams in the country and then there is this soft spot for that league that doesn't play anyone else...

See, Salve didn't come into play at all.  I acknowledge they slipped up.  Haven't spoken about them for a while.  I was only doing that when they were actually trying to do the right thing and seemed to be going in the right direction.

Fulbakdad -- I know you are still relatively new to this site but this is not our first rodeo. I've been watching D-III ball closely since 1992. We know a decent defensive player can rack up huge stats on a bad defense. We know the guy who has a lot of interceptions may not be the best corner on his team because they're avoiding the other corner. I know you don't respect the NESCAC, but others do, and in all honesty, if ONE time in eight years we name a NESCAC kid the offensive or defensive player of the year, I'm fine with that and I will have no problem sleeping at night.

You shouldn't have to guess as to the geographic makeup of the voter group. It's written in black and white.

I know you apparently think that I am stupid, but I promise you, it just isn't the case. Been here, done that, and have learned quite a lot in two decades.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 05, 2012, 05:24:38 PM
You two are quick!

PG I didn't say that all NESCAC teams are in the bottom 90.  I said that he was playing against players that are in the bottom 10 percent.  But take a step back and think.  I will agree that 2 or 3 NESCAC teams could COMPETE in lower conferances each year.  Not win, but compete.  Each team is sprinkled with 10 plus good players, but then finished off with some marginal players.  Below the two or three top teams there is a big drop off. 

And to be honest, I'm not against the NESCAC players, it's you (whoever you who make these choices on this site) who choose thier teams and rate them up on your rating lists.  How do you base your ratings?  They only play themselves!  You can at least rate the NEFC and ECF, they play outside of thier leagues (some more than others).  Until Trinity or Amherst go and suit up with someone out of NESCAC, they should be left out of the team ratings!

The NESCAC teams are sprinkled with good players, but not throughout thier lineups and 2 deep.  I have experience with the NEPSAC players which are pretty common players on these teams.  So I've seen them before they got there and watched them now they're there. 

If you took a GOOD QB, let's just say for sake, like Scaffidi (LFC).  I truly believe he would tear that league up.  But Scaffidi played against a number of good defense's this year.  His numbers were down from last, but as a player, he was very good this year.

If you take a reciever like Green (SNC), he would have huge numbers with defenses in the NESCAC as long as he had a decent QB getting him the ball.

A running back like Mitchell (LFC) get's overlooked for the region team because why?  His numbers were split on running and recieving pretty equal.  He was a dual threat this year and was named the Conferance Offensive player of the year.

Pat, Never said you were dumb.  Looked back at all of my posts.  Can't see where I even came close to that.  But you are not a fan of anyone challenging your thoughts.  I will say that. 

This is a public board.  I am posting in the MWC section.  I am just posting my thoughts......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 05:40:12 PM
In football, the Midwest Conference can't be far removed from the NESCAC. You can't simultaneously argue for more MWC support and less NESCAC support. Yes, as you have noted many times, the NESCAC plays only within itself, but they are in Division III and we are not going to ignore them just because you watched some video of their opening week game after everyone else had been playing for three weeks. Everything is a judgment call in a division of 239 teams that barely play out of conference games and even less often play out of region games. But that's why we get the small money.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 05, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 05, 2012, 05:24:38 PM


PG I didn't say that all NESCAC teams are in the bottom 90.  I said that he was playing against players that are in the bottom 10 percent.

I must be the only one who doesn't understand this...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 05, 2012, 07:32:11 PM
Pat,  Can you tell me the post where I said the MWC was anywhere above anyone? But since you asked, I would put these five conferances in the following order.  1 Liberty League, 2 MWC, 3 NEFC, 4 NESCAC and ECFC tied. 

PG, I said PLAYERS, not teams.  You will find some very weak players in the NESCAC. And a good QB and coaching staff will find the weak players and expliot them.

One thing I find funny, is if I go back and look at prior posts, it's totally ok for some to blast teams or conferances, but if others question picks, you go and blast them too.  I've watched others stop posting when this happens and thinking of doing the same. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 10:04:48 PM
I've made 30,000 posts, so you could pick out just about any pattern you like out of them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: HIT-EM-IN-THE-MOUTH on December 07, 2012, 02:20:08 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 05, 2012, 07:32:11 PM
Pat,  Can you tell me the post where I said the MWC was anywhere above anyone? But since you asked, I would put these five conferances in the following order.  1 Liberty League, 2 MWC, 3 NEFC, 4 NESCAC and ECFC tied. 

PG, I said PLAYERS, not teams.  You will find some very weak players in the NESCAC. And a good QB and coaching staff will find the weak players and expliot them.

One thing I find funny, is if I go back and look at prior posts, it's totally ok for some to blast teams or conferances, but if others question picks, you go and blast them too.  I've watched others stop posting when this happens and thinking of doing the same.

Totally on your side fulbakdad.

P.S. Did you make the awards banquet?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: oldnuthin on December 11, 2012, 01:43:56 PM
Who will replace Bell at Monmouth if he gets the DePauw job?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 15, 2012, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: oldnuthin on December 11, 2012, 01:43:56 PM
Who will replace Bell at Monmouth if he gets the DePauw job?

If I may be selfish for a moment, let's hope it doesn't come to that. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 18, 2012, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: Maverick on December 15, 2012, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: oldnuthin on December 11, 2012, 01:43:56 PM
Who will replace Bell at Monmouth if he gets the DePauw job?

If I may be selfish for a moment, let's hope it doesn't come to that. ;)

True to the Dat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 21, 2012, 03:35:11 PM
Sent today via the NCAC message board:

"DePauw Search Committee Members,  Admin and Loyal Fans,

Congratulations from the Monmouth College fan base on selecting Bill Lynch as your new coach.  Hope you and he  are successful, especially in the upcoming  Mono Bowls.

We are joyful during the Christmas season to still have our favorite  coach, Steve Bell, with us to continue our winning tradition in the MDC and the DIII playoffs."

"A relieved Monmouth Illinois Fan"




Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 21, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
Yes, I will admit that a smile came across my face when I checked the DePauw website this morning and saw that the Tigers had hired Bill Lynch as their new head coach.  Merry Christmas! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 21, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
One full month...no messages posted.  How's everyone's winter hibernation treating them so far? 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 21, 2013, 06:27:44 PM
This is the quiet time of the year in NH.  Cold and snowy!  Now with the Pats loss last night, Football is officially over till August for me!!!!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 22, 2013, 04:03:45 PM
It doesn't have to be over until August...just take a month or so off from football and then get into the Arena Football season when it starts in March!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: beefmeat on January 23, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Just heard Macalester College will join the MWC in 2014. The conference will then be split into north/south divisions. Is this true? Is this old news? If true, how will the teams be allocated?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2013, 02:25:25 PM
Quote from: beefmeat on January 23, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Just heard Macalester College will join the MWC in 2014. The conference will then be split into north/south divisions. Is this true? Is this old news? If true, how will the teams be allocated?

This has been rumored for a while -- not sure if it's true or not. Mac played four MWC opponents in 2003 and five in 2004, but it would be interesting to say the least.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2003/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2004/index

I doubt the MIAC would keep Macalester as a member if it played its football not as an independent, but in another conference. And I doubt the MWC would want to add Macalester for all sports.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on January 24, 2013, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: beefmeat on January 23, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Just heard Macalester College will join the MWC in 2014. The conference will then be split into north/south divisions. Is this true? Is this old news? If true, how will the teams be allocated?

For the sake of argument let's say this is true, and if they joined for everything since I agree with Pat since I doubt the MIAC would let them play football in the MWC and everything else in the MIAC they would probably split for all sports similar to what they had before Coe and Cornell left in 1997. Would they split North/South?

That means you have BC, CU, LU, Mac, RC, SNC in the North and CC, GC, IC, KC, LFC and MC in the South.

The other option is West with BC, CU, LFC, LU, RC, and SNC in the East and CC, GC, IC, KC, Mac, and MC in the West.

The problem is Mac doesn't really fit in either one though I would think LFC would like being in the East with the Wisconsin schools. They are closer to those schools than the Illinois and Iowa schools. Macalester is 257 miles from Ripon according to the NCAA. That would be their closest conference rival in the North Division. In the West Division their closest rival would be Cornell at 266 miles away and they would have IC in their division which is 479 miles away. If their was another school up their with Mac so a school could get two games in a trip up there it would maybe make sense but I just don't see it from a geographical stand point.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 24, 2013, 02:49:58 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on January 24, 2013, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: beefmeat on January 23, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Just heard Macalester College will join the MWC in 2014. The conference will then be split into north/south divisions. Is this true? Is this old news? If true, how will the teams be allocated?

For the sake of argument let's say this is true, and if they joined for everything since I agree with Pat since I doubt the MIAC would let them play football in the MWC and everything else in the MIAC they would probably split for all sports similar to what they had before Coe and Cornell left in 1997. Would they split North/South?

That means you have BC, CU, LU, Mac, RC, SNC in the North and CC, GC, IC, KC, LFC and MC in the South.

The other option is West with BC, CU, LFC, LU, RC, and SNC in the East and CC, GC, IC, KC, Mac, and MC in the West.

The problem is Mac doesn't really fit in either one though I would think LFC would like being in the East with the Wisconsin schools. They are closer to those schools than the Illinois and Iowa schools. Macalester is 257 miles from Ripon according to the NCAA. That would be their closest conference rival in the North Division. In the West Division their closest rival would be Cornell at 266 miles away and they would have IC in their division which is 479 miles away. If their was another school up their with Mac so a school could get two games in a trip up there it would maybe make sense but I just don't see it from a geographical stand point.

Carleton?  Hamline?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
It would have to be Carleton, I think. Hamline isn't a school the MWC would associate itself with, I'd venture.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on January 25, 2013, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
It would have to be Carleton, I think. Hamline isn't a school the MWC would associate itself with, I'd venture.

Hamline was at one time part of the MWC but they left during the Hoover administration. Between those two Carleton is more likely. They left the MWC in 1983. Carleton is also a member of the Associated Colleges of the Midwest as is Macalester and 8 of the 11 current MWC schools (CU, IC, and SNC are not). Other ACM schools include Luther, Coe, St. Olaf, and Colorado College.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2013, 06:49:41 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on January 25, 2013, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
It would have to be Carleton, I think. Hamline isn't a school the MWC would associate itself with, I'd venture.

Hamline was at one time part of the MWC but they left during the Hoover administration. Between those two Carleton is more likely. They left the MWC in 1983. Carleton is also a member of the Associated Colleges of the Midwest as is Macalester and 8 of the 11 current MWC schools (CU, IC, and SNC are not). Other ACM schools include Luther, Coe, St. Olaf, and Colorado College.

I'm wondering if this ACM conference won't slowly take some type of shape after all.  1st Cornell leaves the IIAC to come back to the MWC.  Now we might see Macalester do the same.  Convince Carleton to also make the switch and they could ask CU, IC, and SNC to take a hike.  Sounds crazy, but at least it could get keyboards fired up on here with all kinds of conspiracy talk ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference-- new members?????
Post by: grboob on January 31, 2013, 01:52:23 PM
Do we want to see a few lower level teams added to the MWC.  right now only 5 or 6 teams are really competitive year and year out.

I'm against adding loser teams because it doesn't prepare the conference champs enough tests during the year.

Also, how do you select the winner for the D3 playoff with 2 divisions and limited dates?

Just wondering!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 31, 2013, 05:46:01 PM
Loser teams?

You get to a champion by deleting the bye week and the number 1 team in each division play each other.

It's better than the potential mess we were looking at going into the last week this year!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on February 02, 2013, 10:18:20 AM
Loser teams --Mcalester, Carleton, Hamline, Knox,

Is there a 10 game regular season limit on DIII prior to DIII NCAA playoffs or sactioned post season DIII games?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on February 02, 2013, 12:08:15 PM
You can have an eleventh game for a conference championship if it decides who gets the Pool A bid. The New England Football Conference currently does this.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on February 11, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Here's a little offseason update from Cornell.  They have been trying recently to get the funding wrapped up for this project, so it's exciting to see they are beginning on phase 1 of the upgrades. 
This will definitely be a plus for the baseball field, as the outfield has served as the football practice field since as long as I can remember.

http://www.cornellrams.com/article/808.php (http://www.cornellrams.com/article/808.php)

The second link is the link to the plans they put together a couple years ago.  No mention if this is the same design they are going with or are coming up with something new.

http://www.cornellrams.com/f/Facilities.php (http://www.cornellrams.com/f/Facilities.php)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on February 16, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
Monmouth got a commitment from  a very good QB = Tanner Matlick.  All State and from small school state championship team.  Google -Tanner Matlick for Hudl vids of his game tapes,  Considered a top QB in the Davenport area.

Keep up the good recruiting Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on March 12, 2013, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: OhIowa on February 11, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Here's a little offseason update from Cornell.  They have been trying recently to get the funding wrapped up for this project, so it's exciting to see they are beginning on phase 1 of the upgrades. 
This will definitely be a plus for the baseball field, as the outfield has served as the football practice field since as long as I can remember.

http://www.cornellrams.com/article/808.php (http://www.cornellrams.com/article/808.php)

The second link is the link to the plans they put together a couple years ago.  No mention if this is the same design they are going with or are coming up with something new.

http://www.cornellrams.com/f/Facilities.php (http://www.cornellrams.com/f/Facilities.php)

They've been talking about this for years. It's nice to finally get moving on this project.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on March 13, 2013, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: grboob on February 16, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
Monmouth got a commitment from  a very good QB = Tanner Matlick.  All State and from small school state championship team.  Google -Tanner Matlick for Hudl vids of his game tapes,  Considered a top QB in the Davenport area.

Keep up the good recruiting Scots.

I remember watching him play in state championship game back in November and thinking to myself how I was hoping he was on the list of Monmouth recruits...actually with Coach Bell's ability to get good QB's, I couldn't imagine them not pursuing this kid.  Glad to hear that he's made a commitment to the Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on March 15, 2013, 05:05:10 PM
I think Monmouth is recruiting some outstanding Ill receivers to go with the Matlick.  However, the Scots got to firm up the defense or score 45+ a game!!! again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 22, 2013, 05:21:49 PM
NFL Draftzone on Pete Scafidi.

http://nfldraftzone.com/draft-news/draft-zone-spotlight-pete-scaffidi-qb-lake-forest-college/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 12, 2013, 01:22:57 PM
from LU's college magazine:


The Lawrence University Department of Athletics is proud to announce an exciting plan, just approved by the Board of Trustees, to take Vikings athletics to the next level.

The first phase of the plan is a campaign to raise $5 million to renovate the Banta Bowl. Lawrence University Trustee David Blowers '82, a standout football players and captain of the Vikings during his senior year, will chair the effort.

The Banta Bowl has served Lawrence University student-athletes for nearly 50 years, and the time has come for this legendary venue to receive a dramatic makeover. Currently the home of the Lawrence football team, when renovations are complete, football and men's and women's soccer will share the stadium.

The renovations begin with raising the level of the playing field to make it wide enough for a regulation NCAA-sized soccer field. The playing surface will be replaced with a synthetic surface, which will diversify and increase the amount of usage for the stadium. Banta Bowl fans will benefit from new seating as the original fiberglass bleachers will be replaced.

Fans entering the Banta Bowl will do so through an inviting plaza on the north end of the stadium. The current buildings on that end of the stadium will be razed and replaced with new structures. The centerpiece of the new construction will be locker room space for the Vikings. In addition, a new visitors' locker room will be built, along with spaces for officials, concessions, ticket sales and storage. The parking lot fans will also be refurbished. New lighting and a new LED scoreboard will also be added.

The last major piece to the Banta Bowl renovation is expansion of the press box to give the coaching staff of both teams an indoor space from which to watch the game from the stadium rim. With all Lawrence football games (and soccer games once that sport moves into the Banta Bowl) being webcast, the new press box would allow for more effective game broadcasts.

When phase I is complete, Lawrence will turn its attention to other Vikings needs, including, perhaps, renovations to Alexander Gym – and even an ice rink.

"With its support of this fund-raising project, the Lawrence Board of Trustees is ensuring that the future of Vikings athletics – football, soccer and all varsity programs, has never been brighter," said Mike Szkodzinski, director of athletics and head hockey coach. "This project will help us attract the best scholar-athletes and also further connect Lawrence to the Appleton community."


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 12, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
A link to local TV station story which has photo.

(The version I had was too big for me to upload directly onto the site)

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/sports/college/lawrence-planning-banta-bowl-overhaul

and a pdf with an overhead view and other details:
http://media2.fox11online.com/pdfs/Banta_Bowl_Summary.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 19, 2013, 12:42:35 PM
I've been hearing very positive things on recruiting in the Forest!  Winning certainly helps in that area.  How about the other MWC schools?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on April 24, 2013, 03:50:02 PM
Mac to the MWC is official:

http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2013/4/24/GEN_0424133436.aspx


2 divisions with a schedule of 5 division opponents, 2 cross-division opponents and 2 non-con games.

Division winners will play last week for big to NCAA Tournament
Rest of conference will play cross-standings opponent to keep 10 game schedule.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 24, 2013, 04:41:36 PM
Few thoughts...

* A long drive for Mac every week

* I like the second non-conference game, presuming the MWC teams don't get their ass kicked by another team each week

* It will be nice to have the title game again. That was fun.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on April 24, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
Does everyone lose a game if they are not in the championship OR will there be an additional cross-over?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2013, 08:22:26 PM
Quote from: rome on April 24, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
Does everyone lose a game if they are not in the championship OR will there be an additional cross-over?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2013/04/macalester-to-join-midwest-conference

2 non-conference games
2 cross-over (interdivision) games
5 divisional games

Last week of the season --  Division versus Division match-ups  #1N vs #1S; #2N vs #2S; ...; #6N vs #6S.

The net impact is one fewer team in Pool B and more inter-conference games in that part of the country.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 24, 2013, 09:10:28 PM
Seems like two teams could end up playing each other twice this way. Wonder how they will decide who is home for the last week? All north one year, all south the next?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on April 24, 2013, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 24, 2013, 09:10:28 PM
Seems like two teams could end up playing each other twice this way. Wonder how they will decide who is home for the last week? All north one year, all south the next?

I'm guessing that if you played your potential opponent earlier in the year, they'd flip the nearest teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on April 25, 2013, 12:20:10 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 24, 2013, 09:10:28 PM
Seems like two teams could end up playing each other twice this way. Wonder how they will decide who is home for the last week? All north one year, all south the next?

That would be the easiest way to handle it. Then you would no before the season if you needs workers for a home game that week or need to budget for an away game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 25, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on April 25, 2013, 12:20:10 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 24, 2013, 09:10:28 PM
Seems like two teams could end up playing each other twice this way. Wonder how they will decide who is home for the last week? All north one year, all south the next?

That would be the easiest way to handle it. Then you would no before the season if you needs workers for a home game that week or need to budget for an away game.

I like the sound of that...better than finding a neutral site to host all 6 games on that last weekend.  Also, do we know yet if the cross-over/inter-divisional games are going to count in a teams conference record?  Or will your conference record just be the 5 teams from your own division?  It was just the 5 from your division in the old set-up but hadn't seen anything regarding that information for the new division format.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on April 26, 2013, 03:59:44 PM
Enjoy Macalaster.  Can't hack in the MIAC, so you go running to the MWC.  Sad.  Very sad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 29, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on April 26, 2013, 03:59:44 PM
Enjoy Macalaster.  Can't hack in the MIAC, so you go running to the MWC.  Sad.  Very sad.

Not a large amount of success against the MWC teams they've played over the last 10 years either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on April 29, 2013, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: Maverick on April 29, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Not a large amount of success against the MWC teams they've played over the last 10 years either.

That's because they are T-R-A-S-H.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 30, 2013, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Maverick on April 25, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on April 25, 2013, 12:20:10 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 24, 2013, 09:10:28 PM
Seems like two teams could end up playing each other twice this way. Wonder how they will decide who is home for the last week? All north one year, all south the next?

That would be the easiest way to handle it. Then you would no before the season if you needs workers for a home game that week or need to budget for an away game.

I like the sound of that...better than finding a neutral site to host all 6 games on that last weekend.  Also, do we know yet if the cross-over/inter-divisional games are going to count in a teams conference record?  Or will your conference record just be the 5 teams from your own division?  It was just the 5 from your division in the old set-up but hadn't seen anything regarding that information for the new division format.

I talked to two sources and neither were 100%, but it sounds like...

* just the intra-division games will count for determining division champs

* could be a north/south thing for the last week. the league does that for hosting other championships with divisions - i.e. SNC hosting softball tournament this year because won the north
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on May 06, 2013, 08:11:24 PM
Any truth to reports that Beloit will bring in 25-30 guys this recruiting class?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on May 07, 2013, 06:37:09 AM
Lake Forest broke 40 new guys last week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on May 07, 2013, 08:03:35 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on April 29, 2013, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: Maverick on April 29, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Not a large amount of success against the MWC teams they've played over the last 10 years either.

That's because they are T-R-A-S-H.  ::)

So that's what you calll trash talking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on May 07, 2013, 04:29:23 PM
No.  Trash talk occurs between two opponents.  Since Mac won't play MIAC foes, there can be no trash talk between them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on May 09, 2013, 11:20:47 AM
Predicted order of finish for the MWC in 2013?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 22, 2013, 09:18:17 AM
Not sure if I can rank all 22 MWC teams in order....   ;D  I can predict one team will finish near the top and one near the bottom, and both are located in western Illinois.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on May 22, 2013, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: scottie on May 22, 2013, 09:18:17 AM
Not sure if I can rank all 22 MWC teams in order....   ;D  I can predict one team will finish near the top and one near the bottom, and both are located in western Illinois.

1) Replace "near" with "at" for both teams and I'd say you're spot on! ;)
2) The MWC has expanded again and is now at 28 teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on May 22, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
Did they move the Lake Forest Campus? ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: mcalum on May 23, 2013, 03:46:58 PM
1. Monmouth
2. Illinois College
3. St. Norbert
4. Carroll
5. Lake Forest
6. Ripon
7. Cornell
8. Grinnell
9. Beloit
10. Lawrence
11. Knox

Scottie appears to have nailed it, with intriguing brevity.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on May 24, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
1. Cornell  ;D
2. Illinois College
3. Monmouth
4. St. Norbert
5. Carroll
6. Lake Forest
7. Ripon
8. Knox
9. Grinnell
10. Beloit
11. Lawrence
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 29, 2013, 02:54:52 PM
1. Monmouth
2. Monmouth JV
3. Illinois College
4. St. Norbert
5. Carroll
6. Lake Forest
7. Ripon
8. Cornell
9. Grinnell
10. Beloit
11. Lawrence
12. Knox JV
13. Knox
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on May 30, 2013, 06:25:04 AM
You guys are picking Lake Forest 5-6, just like last year.  Got you just where we want you!

Looking forward to this season!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on June 19, 2013, 03:02:50 PM
Former Monmouth QB Mitch Tanney has been hired as Chicago Bears director of analytics
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on June 20, 2013, 03:21:55 PM
Fighting Scots are slowly but surely taking over the NFL.   ;D  His first analysis shows that QBs throw for much larger numbers when they hear bagpipes before the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on June 27, 2013, 06:52:14 PM
So it is now officially football season since the Bruins lost to that team from the Midwest.  Please don't make me say where they are from!

I've been lucky to see some of the online films of new recruits coming into Lake Forest.  I am impressed with what I've seen.  The loss of some of the seniors from last year, especially at QB, happen to everyone, but only losing 1 starter from Defense is comforting. 

There are some studs incoming freshman coming in and I believe Mike Lewis (QB) is up for the task.  He was competing for the starting job two years ago so it's not like there's nobody in line to take over the O.

The coaching staff has gotten over 40 recruits.  This is pretty impressive for LFC and a sign that Coach Cat has the program going in the right direction!

How's the future look for everyone else?

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 27, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on June 27, 2013, 06:52:14 PM
So it is now officially football season since the Bruins lost to that team from the Midwest.  Please don't make me say where they are from!

I've been lucky to see some of the online films of new recruits coming into Lake Forest.  I am impressed with what I've seen.  The loss of some of the seniors from last year, especially at QB, happen to everyone, but only losing 1 starter from Defense is comforting. 

There are some studs incoming freshman coming in and I believe Mike Lewis (QB) is up for the task.  He was competing for the starting job two years ago so it's not like there's nobody in line to take over the O.

The coaching staff has gotten over 40 recruits.  This is pretty impressive for LFC and a sign that Coach Cat has the program going in the right direction!

How's the future look for everyone else?

:)

What's so bad about saying 'that team 25(?) miles south of Lake Forest'? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on June 28, 2013, 06:11:18 AM
Perfect! Just don't make me say the name!

lol

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on June 28, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
It's okay. I'm sure there aren't any fans of "that team" who attend Lake Forest College.  Obviously, they are all Bruins fans.  You know, cuz fulbakdad says so.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 21, 2013, 05:05:47 PM
ESPN.com on Tanney
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4710316/alex-tanney-trick-shot-quarterback
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 24, 2013, 10:29:23 AM
Had been looking for this for awhile.  Here is the Superhuman's episode.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXpwdMEnYCM
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 24, 2013, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: scottie on July 24, 2013, 10:29:23 AM
Had been looking for this for awhile.  Here is the Superhuman's episode.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXpwdMEnYCM

He should be working as a sniper or featured on the show 'Alphas'! They never mentioned anything in regards to weather, he naturally factored in the weather...awesome! Oh by the way, the field was looking nice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 29, 2013, 09:11:56 AM
Thanks, 'Fan.  We like it, and it's been a long time coming. 

Any word on Beloit Football this year?  It sounds like they've already secured the hoops crown for the forseeable future, and I'm curious where their dominance will end?   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 29, 2013, 07:30:28 PM
They are looking forward to being in Macalasters division in 2014. It's interesting to note that they will have divisional play again but still structured it in a way to have a 10 game season. The 10th week will feature a championship game between division winners and the rest of the league will play similar "cross-over" games with the corresponding team in the other side. 2 vs. 2, 3 vs.3; etc.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 29, 2013, 07:34:48 PM
The guys report in two weeks and a couple days!  Not looking forward to the drive out to get Jr. to Chicago, but really looking forward to the season!

Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 31, 2013, 06:08:48 PM
Finally got in touch with a friend mine from the Corps. Seems he has a nephew that will be suiting up for the Foresters this season on the gridiron. Now I'll have 3 teams to root for. Beloit, Lake Forest and whomever is playing Ripon. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 31, 2013, 11:43:25 PM
Corps nephews don't tip-toe out of bounds.  F-dad will be happy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 01, 2013, 06:54:10 AM
Damn straight Scottie!  Put that head down and drive forward, get that extra yard! lol


Who's the Nephew?  I'll watch for him.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 01, 2013, 06:54:58 AM
And Roop, Semper Fi!  Retired GySgt.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 03, 2013, 08:20:21 AM
With the policy changes that the MWC Conference has made, which allowed Macalaster to join for football only, it makes me wonder if they would consider a non-football school. Such as MSOE, into the conference to balance the schedule in other sports.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 05, 2013, 08:58:40 AM
How 'bout them Cowboys!?!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on August 05, 2013, 09:58:58 PM
Tanney was able to stay off the turf; something he didn't do so well against the Knights ;D.....It was pretty cool seeing him out there, though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 06, 2013, 11:17:07 AM
Well, of course, the Knights would be the Dolphins 9 out of 10 times so we'll excuse Miami for a weak defensive unit.   ;D

Tanney got plenty of pub during his first series, which was good because I think the broadcast featured a HOF inductee on the remaining Cowboy drives.  If Romo would have thrown a pass like the one Tanney threw to Green, the announcers would be blabbering all over themselves about his touch.  But not a peep for Alex on the throw.  Oh well, hopefully we'll see more of him in the preseason. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on August 07, 2013, 12:07:30 AM
Quote from: scottie on August 06, 2013, 11:17:07 AM
Well, of course, the Knights would be the Dolphins 9 out of 10 times so we'll excuse Miami for a weak defensive unit.   ;D

Tanney got plenty of pub during his first series, which was good because I think the broadcast featured a HOF inductee on the remaining Cowboy drives. If Romo would have thrown a pass like the one Tanney threw to Green, the announcers would be blabbering all overd themselves about his touch.  But not a peep for Alex on the throw. Oh well, hopefully we'll see more of him in the preseason.
Isn't that the truth. Although, I don't think it is all media as the NFL, etc dictates who should be put on a pedestal!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 07, 2013, 03:27:45 PM

Here's a link to the LFC Football BlogSpot with a story about the incoming new players this year.  Looks like a very successful recruiting year!

Camp starts next week!

http://lakeforestcollegefootball.blogspot.com/2013/08/foresters-welcome-43-new-players-to.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 12, 2013, 10:55:32 PM
St. Norbert picked as the favorite in the 2013 Pre-Season Coaches Poll...

Link: http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2013/8/12/FB_0812135247.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 15, 2013, 04:37:57 PM
Arrvied last night in Lake Forest for the start of camp tomorrow.  Bopped around the campus and area today.  Seen many of last years team and a lot of the new freshman in our travels.  There's a lot of optimism here.   Can't wait for the start of the season!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 16, 2013, 07:50:48 PM
96 players checked into the Lake Forest camp today.  Big Freshman class, 40 plus, but physical size of them is what stood out.  There were some monsters there!  Can't wait to see them on the field!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 17, 2013, 01:15:27 PM
Last night vs. Carolina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFdhlzsPVI
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 19, 2013, 04:04:36 PM
Good stuff, The Roop!  I'll assume he took reps for an entire half like his brother-from-another-mother in Dallas. 

Me thinks Kyle Orton is looking over his shoulder...  ;)  http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4712783/alex-tanney-gets-first-td-pass-but-throws-int
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 19, 2013, 08:39:32 PM
He might be but this time it isn't The Claymaker chasing him down.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 20, 2013, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: Maverick on August 12, 2013, 10:55:32 PM
St. Norbert picked as the favorite in the 2013 Pre-Season Coaches Poll...

Link: http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2013/8/12/FB_0812135247.aspx

It's a fair assessment, I think that Carroll could actually make some noise and they have St. Norbert at home this year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 22, 2013, 02:21:44 PM
Nobody from the mighty MWC should be surprised by this.   ;D  http://yourdailycowboysfootballfix.com/dallas-cowboys/did-strike-gold-with-alex-tanney/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 22, 2013, 06:32:19 PM
So does this mean you have an "in" for tickets to the December 15th game vs. Green Bay ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 22, 2013, 08:33:34 PM
I'm afraid that is a ticket that not even Scottie can procure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 23, 2013, 06:58:04 PM
I'm thinking scottie has been abducted. The real scottie would be able to hook me up and the real scottie wouldn't capitalize his screen name in a post.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 24, 2013, 05:21:52 PM
Now, you're talkin' crazy!  And there will be a "SightingofScottie" later this season when those GuysThatAreSoGreat take the field!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 25, 2013, 08:17:27 AM
Alright alleged scottie. Would that be the Sep 14th game vs. Americas Team ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 26, 2013, 09:18:12 AM
Unfortunately not.  'Twill be the October 12 game against the fighting Arsenaults (Homecoming and all....).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on August 26, 2013, 11:41:29 AM
Cornell Media Day...

http://www.kcrg.com/sports/local/Cornell-Football-Boasts-New-Field-220612291.html
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 30, 2013, 10:00:51 AM
Monmouth Season Preview is up!

http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2013/8/20/FB_0820132653.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 30, 2013, 02:11:51 PM
So he doesn't recognize Lake Forest as MWC Co-Champions????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on August 30, 2013, 03:23:07 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 30, 2013, 02:11:51 PM
So he doesn't recognize Lake Forest as MWC Co-Champions????

St. Norbert is just listed as the defending champions because they were the MWC playoff team last season and that's just the way it was written by the Monmouth Sports Information Department--not a quote from Coach Bell.  Don't try to stir the pot and create bulletin board material when the season is still a week away. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 30, 2013, 07:09:45 PM
Beloit finally has their roster out and from a numbers stand point, I'm liking what I am seeing. 10 seniors and 24 freshmen. So they are gaining personnel for the future. That always helps. I don't know anything about any of the new comers but they have a 6'7" 350lb offensive lineman. I'll be watching him. If it doesn't pan out, make him a nose tackle.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 30, 2013, 10:08:46 PM
Come on Mav, you've got to see the ball while landing on the carrier deck.  Are u saying they wrote the article without talking to him?  And he didn't see it prior to it being posted on HIS teams page? Not good management then IMHO! Lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 31, 2013, 01:35:28 AM
fulbakdad, since you're still relatively new to the conference/message boards. Here's a secret. Every team in the MWC thinks it is perfect and that's just how it is. Only when the entire conference goes 5-5 will the Presidents be happy. It's a long story so I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 31, 2013, 06:49:27 AM
It seems a lot like the scene from Midnite Express where every patient in the crazy ward keeps walking around in circles going the same direction.  Then one guy goes the other way and everyone goes nuts!  "Bad machine, bad machine!".  Lol, sorry but the same teams aren't always gonna win!  From what I saw last year and what I saw was recruited this year, I believe Lake Forest might become a thorn in a couple sides!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 31, 2013, 10:50:07 AM
82, 82, 82. 400 Oak St. Maple Syrup should be on the table before the pancakes. 1 for bad 2 for good. K-Mart.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on August 31, 2013, 10:52:11 AM
And on an unrelated side note. Gatorade is a horrible drink mixer. You have been informed thusly. Bazinga.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 30, 2013, 10:08:46 PM
Come on Mav, you've got to see the ball while landing on the carrier deck.  Are u saying they wrote the article without talking to him?  And he didn't see it prior to it being posted on HIS teams page? Not good management then IMHO! Lol.

I doubt the coach runs the game plan past the SID either. I would hope they leave the writing to the writers. :)

It's tough being co-champions if you don't make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 01, 2013, 06:32:10 AM
Sure beats being 3-7! So really not so tough.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 01, 2013, 08:10:10 AM
And Pat, in your kickoff Midwest preview Lake Forest is listed with a better predicted record than the team above them.  I believe this to be a conspiracy of the highest order!  You're all in this together!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2013, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 01, 2013, 08:10:10 AM
And Pat, in your kickoff Midwest preview Lake Forest is listed with a better predicted record than the team above them.  I believe this to be a conspiracy of the highest order!  You're all in this together!

They have the same conference record, actually, not a better record. Not sure I've seen predicted standings listed using OVERALL record. Monmouth projected to win the tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2013, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 30, 2013, 10:08:46 PM
Come on Mav, you've got to see the ball while landing on the carrier deck.  Are u saying they wrote the article without talking to him?  And he didn't see it prior to it being posted on HIS teams page? Not good management then IMHO! Lol.

I doubt the coach runs the game plan past the SID either. I would hope they leave the writing to the writers. :)

It's tough being co-champions if you don't make the playoffs.

Well said Pat! :) 

Of course they talked to him in order to write the article, that's why there are several quotes in there from him along with info on which guys are expected to major contributors...but I would guess that was the extent of his involvement, not proof-reading the SID work. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2013, 04:38:39 PM
Exactly. And the part listing the conference champ is not in quotes, so clearly it is not as fulbakdad tried to pass it off -- not that "he doesn't recognize" Lake Forest.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 02, 2013, 05:07:28 PM
Damn, are you two gonna get a room tonight?

LOL!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 02, 2013, 08:42:39 PM
Awwww.  I was 1 vote from goint into positive Karma, or plus K's.  but tonight I went down two.  i guess Mav and Pat read what I posted and can't take a joke!  I was just about to tell all my friends how good I was doing....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2013, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 02, 2013, 08:42:39 PM
Awwww.  I was 1 vote from goint into positive Karma, or plus K's.  but tonight I went down two.  i guess Mav and Pat read what I posted and can't take a joke!  I was just about to tell all my friends how good I was doing....

Lol, first time I've checked the boards since my Saturday post--so I can't take credit for the karma fbdad.  I'll even give you a +1 just for the heck of it. 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 04, 2013, 04:23:26 PM
Whats up board,

I am an old user activating a new account.  I was wondering if anyone had some inside scoop for me regarding Lamont Williams at CU?  The pre-season hype for him was unlike any other I have seen in school history, and since the start of camp all has been quiet.  First, not one picture on the Facebook page, Twitter, or Instagram features our all-american hopeful.  Next, the roster on gopios.com doesnt list good old #47.  Does anyone know if this is cause for me to put an end to my "This is the year Carroll gets over the hump" rants that I was going on all winter? If anyone knows would you be so kind as to spread the word.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 04, 2013, 09:10:39 PM
But what adds to the question is they have another player listed at #47.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 04, 2013, 09:31:00 PM
So what do you guys have to say about your teams and their starts this weekend?

I think Lake Forest is in a question mark!  The return almost all of their defense 9 of 11 starters, but have lost their QB (Pete Scaffidi) and the MWC Offensive player of the year running back (Al Mitchell) on offense.

At the QB position, they put Mike Lewis under center who is far from a newbie.  He was competing with Scaffidi for the starting spot two years ago and has some good game experience the last couple years.  At running back I think they are actually pretty comfortable.  Joey Valdivia was a blooming freshman prospect last year.  Fast and very strong, he's tough to take down.  Behind him is another strong runner Alec Howe.  Then recruiting brought in 4 strong Freshman prospects.....

They also return all of their starting O line which could be a big help this year.  The line had some growing pains early last year, but gelled together well as the season went on.  I believe this will help the Offense build momentum.....

At receiver the biggest lost was last years big time go to guy Austin Sobey.  There are a couple guys that were in the wings, Mike Peters and couple others but this is where a big question mark is.  There is a D1 transfer that has been showing promise, so we'll see as the season progresses.

On D a great return was having D Tackle Jake Rotkvich come back. He returns under a redshirt ruling and tore it up on the D last year.  But where they should really shine is their Linebacker corps.  They return all 4 starters.  These guys should dictate how the team ends up.  The big change from two years ago to last year was how they attacked the other teams offense.

Looking forward to finally watching them perform this weekend.  I look forward to hearing how you guys think your teams will do and watching the season unfold!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: jjwalsh7496 on September 04, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
From what I have heard #47 will not be back
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 04, 2013, 11:13:07 PM
Boy is that a let down.  Without him I predict a middle of the pack finish.  The idea going into the season would be an offensive running game that kept the ball away from the opposition though the effective running of one of the most effective players in the league.  Without Lamont, I see the offense struggling with average quarterback play and the lack of a "big play" threat.  Losses on defense will also show though.  This is a real shame for a program that I thought was on the brink of a return to relevancy.  Too bad all the way around.  I say around 6 or 7 wins and a lack luster finish.  That being said Go Pios and there is always hope when the records are 0-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 05, 2013, 05:23:26 PM
Hello Board.  It's been a long winter and now it's time for some fun.  Been to a few RC practices and am excited for this year (as everyone says for "their" team).  Ripon starts out with a 7pm game against WLC at WLC on Saturday.  I predict a big win, considering the outcome last year.  Wish everyone luck Saturday to start out the season 1-0.  For some that could be their only win this season, so play hard!!!   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
Here's what I got for this week.  Feel free to ridicule away! :D

Week 1 Games
Lawrence @ Cornell - CC
Beloit @ Chicago - UC
Lakeland @ Carroll - CU
Grinnell @ Carleton - CC
Illinois C. @ Hanover - IC
Knox @ Eureka - EC
Lake Forest @ Concordia - CU
Coe @ Monmouth - MC
Ripon @ Wisconsin Lutheran - RC
St. Norbert vs. John Carroll - JC

Hope to see alot of wins for the MWC this weekend!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 06, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 06, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
Here's what I got for this week.  Feel free to ridicule away! :D

Week 1 Games
Lawrence @ Cornell - CC
Beloit @ Chicago - UC
Lakeland @ Carroll - CU
Grinnell @ Carleton - CC
Illinois C. @ Hanover - IC
Knox @ Eureka - EC
Lake Forest @ Concordia - CU LF
Coe @ Monmouth - MC
Ripon @ Wisconsin Lutheran - RC WLC
St. Norbert vs. John Carroll - JC

Hope to see alot of wins for the MWC this weekend!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)

Fixed  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2013, 10:43:22 PM
Good luck to the Good Guys tomorrow against one TOUGH opponent.  (Mav, I hope you're right!)   ;D

For the rest of the conference: I have not received word if the presidents all voted to forfeit against LFC, but I guess it did not happen.  So give it your best try this fall and hire extra training staff for the week after your LFC game.  Word has it they're still going to keep running in-bounds and play each down until the whistle blows.  White Flag Alert!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2013, 07:01:10 AM
You got it Scottie!  Game day!  Good luck to everybody today!  Last day of civility.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 07, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
So the real question is who comes in last place with 1 win or possibly shut out all season???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2013, 02:33:03 PM
Lake Forest up 7-0 at end of first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2013, 03:10:50 PM
Lake Forest up 21-3 at half.  Defense i dominating this game...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2013, 04:39:07 PM
Evidently, the Coe bus broke down on the way to God's country, so the GOW didn't kick off until 2:00.  They just went to halftime with the Good Guys trailing 17-7. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2013, 05:42:46 PM
GOW living up to its billing.....Coe 23 -  Good Guys 16, end of 3rd. 


.....Now 23-22 Coe, with about 6 minutes left.  Evidently, our national Kicker of the Year candidate is taking the pressure off of himself (or the snapper is doing it for him).   TWO missed PATs so far.  I think he was 39-40 last year. 


.....Good Guy defense holds tough and gives the offense a final chance (and perhaps the kicker a chance for redemption).  Driving in good shape, ball on the Coe side of the field under the 2:00 mark....and interception.  I clicked off while Coe was taking a knee so I'm reporting the final score as 23-22.  A tough loss vs. a pre-season Top 20.  Should make for an interesting MWC season. 

Go Scots!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2013, 06:13:32 PM
Carleton beats Grinnell 29-10

Cornell beats Lawrence 45-14

Eureka beat Knox 21-17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 07, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
Carroll wins 27-18. It was an uninspiring win, but I will say that Lakeland wasn't the total dog that they were last year. Bad, but not as bad. Either way, ring the bell, go CU.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2013, 06:23:59 PM
John Carroll leads SNC 20-0 at the half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2013, 08:25:39 PM
Lake Forest won 45-3.  Defense played lights out.   Concordia was -7 yard rushing at the end of the first half.  Good special teams play for the Foresters all day, even kicked a 47 yard Field Goal!  Offense played without the Number one running back Valdivia but had a good ground attack with some very impresive runs by two of thier new freshman runningbacks.  Lawrence up for next week...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2013, 08:53:20 PM
SNC loses 41-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 07, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Ripon 17
Wisconsin Lutheran 10

WLC is shooting themselves in the foot with penalties.

Ripon 31
Wisconsin Lutheran 24

Final

Ripon got many a big play on third down to extend their drives.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 08, 2013, 12:24:08 AM
Chicago 17 Beloit 0. Beloits D a good job against a bigger, albeit, predictable team. Gotta cut out the penalties however. That extended a couple Chicago drives; or tacked on gift yards after the play more than once.

The offense needs to get on the same page however. Whom was at fault I'm not sure as I don't call the plays but Beloit missed one long score for sure as the receiver ran a go and the QB threw a stop. The safety bit on the stop route and had it been a go, nobody was there to stop a 75 yard gallop to pay dirt.

In another communication error late in the game, the QB threw an out and the receiver ran an in. Not sure if that would have been a score as there was inside help but at the very least it would have been 1st and goal inside the 5. Add up all the what if's and it's still Chicago 17 Beloit 14; theoretically.

Neither team has much of a vertical threat, so were the defenses that good or were the offenses that average ??

Turnovers hurt the Bucs. Twice the D stopped UC on downs and immediately thereafter Beloit turned it right back over on the ensuing possession; both times on the second play I believe. One INT, one fumble.

Gotta make it look like football and execute by putting points on the board. Can't win if you don't score.

Beloit was in strip the ball mode on Chicagos final drive and the Maroons went down the field with ease. I thought Chicago was very classy by not punching in a late one and ran out the clock instead of running up the score.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 09, 2013, 09:52:52 AM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 07, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Ripon 17
Wisconsin Lutheran 10

WLC is shooting themselves in the foot with penalties.

Ripon 31
Wisconsin Lutheran 24

Final

Ripon got many a big play on third down to extend their drives.

It was a good game!  Minus the 1 huge run for a TD the defence played great for Ripon!!!  Took awhile for the offence to get going, but they got in the groove.  Had a few HUGE 3rd down conversions.

Please tell me why a D3 school needs a jumbotron and plays commercials for GE, Pepsi, and QPS.  Does Pepsi give WCL $$$ for those commercials?   ;D ;)  The stadium is great. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 09, 2013, 10:10:40 AM
Things like jumbotrons, new stadiums, big name athletic-wear contracts and advances in social media are all recruiting tools. Giving athletes who are willing to pour their heart and souls into collegiate athletics the opportunity to have a taste of big-school college football of a tool that coaches use to attract marginal D I, IAA and D II talents to embrace the DIII experience. In the meantime, advancements like the ESPN score app having Midwest Conference football scores is something we can all enjoy
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 07, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
So the real question is who comes in last place with 1 win or possibly shut out all season???

I think Eureka College answered your question.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 09, 2013, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 09, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 07, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
So the real question is who comes in last place with 1 win or possibly shut out all season???

I think Eureka College answered your question.

You read my mind.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 10, 2013, 09:07:06 AM
Congrats to Tom Sawyer RC QB for being named the MWC player of the week!!  Well deserved!

Ripon has a big schedule a head of them.  Carrol this week and Norbies next week. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 10, 2013, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 09, 2013, 09:52:52 AM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 07, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Ripon 17
Wisconsin Lutheran 10

WLC is shooting themselves in the foot with penalties.

Ripon 31
Wisconsin Lutheran 24

Final

Ripon got many a big play on third down to extend their drives.

It was a good game!  Minus the 1 huge run for a TD the defence played great for Ripon!!!  Took awhile for the offence to get going, but they got in the groove.  Had a few HUGE 3rd down conversions.

Please tell me why a D3 school needs a jumbotron and plays commercials for GE, Pepsi, and QPS.  Does Pepsi give WCL $$$ for those commercials?   ;D ;)  The stadium is great.

Not 100% sure on that one. They have done a lot of improvements to Raabe Stadium since I was a student there (Graduated this May). I have seen sponsor ads on the jumbotron but that's about it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on September 10, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 09, 2013, 09:52:52 AM
Please tell me why a D3 school needs a jumbotron and plays commercials for GE, Pepsi, and QPS.  Does Pepsi give WCL $$$ for those commercials?   ;D ;)  The stadium is great.

You'll REALLY get sick of the ads next week then.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 10, 2013, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: sncsid on September 10, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 09, 2013, 09:52:52 AM
Please tell me why a D3 school needs a jumbotron and plays commercials for GE, Pepsi, and QPS.  Does Pepsi give WCL $$$ for those commercials?   ;D ;)  The stadium is great.

You'll REALLY get sick of the ads next week then.  ;)

Trust me when I say, that is the least thing that week that will make me sick........ :o  Truthfully, I haven't been to your stadium since 2005.  I haven't even seen the new set up.  Try to avoid Green and Yellow at all costs..... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 11, 2013, 05:05:26 AM
Congrats to Ed Dobernig for being named to the Scoutwire National Team of the week.  2 forced turnovers and 6 solos tackles.  Not a bad opening day.....

Looking forward to this weeks game against Lawrence. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2013, 08:15:39 AM
Here's the D3football.com Team of the Week, presented by Scoutware. One other MWC player on it as well:
http://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2013/week1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 12, 2013, 06:06:24 AM
MWC play starts this weekend for Lake Forest.  A night game at Lawrence.  Should be a decent test to see how the passing defense performs.  Last year was a big improvement from the prior year, but needs to get even better.  I'd look for LFC to put a lot of pressure on the Lawrence QB. 

On Offense, Valdivia sat on the sidelines last week not dressed.  We seemed to be walking around fine so not sure what his status is this week.  Two Freshman running backs stepped right up though and along with Alec Howe they did fine.  The test should be to see how QB Mike Lewis does. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 12, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 12, 2013, 06:06:24 AM
MWC play starts this weekend for Lake Forest.  A night game at Lawrence.  Should be a decent test to see how the passing defense performs.  Last year was a big improvement from the prior year, but needs to get even better.  I'd look for LFC to put a lot of pressure on the Lawrence QB. 

On Offense, Valdivia sat on the sidelines last week not dressed.  We seemed to be walking around fine so not sure what his status is this week.  Two Freshman running backs stepped right up though and along with Alec Howe they did fine.  The test should be to see how QB Mike Lewis does.

If you don't win by at least 3 tds you should be worried about your offense....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 12, 2013, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: larry_u on September 12, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 12, 2013, 06:06:24 AM
MWC play starts this weekend for Lake Forest.  A night game at Lawrence.  Should be a decent test to see how the passing defense performs.  Last year was a big improvement from the prior year, but needs to get even better.  I'd look for LFC to put a lot of pressure on the Lawrence QB. 

On Offense, Valdivia sat on the sidelines last week not dressed.  We seemed to be walking around fine so not sure what his status is this week.  Two Freshman running backs stepped right up though and along with Alec Howe they did fine.  The test should be to see how QB Mike Lewis does.

If you don't win by at least 3 tds you should be worried about your offense....

Hahaha.  Or defense. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 12, 2013, 05:45:12 PM
Redhawk, How many points did Ripon beat Lawrence by last year??? If there was one thing we all should have taken from last year was the parity in the MWC.  Going into the last two weeks, there were I believe 6 teams that could have won the Conference.  There were a lot of very close games.  I wouldn't take any team lightly!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: jjwalsh7496 on September 13, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
Apparently the issue was resolved Lamont Williams will be back the third week of the season. He was on the sidelines against Lakeland.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 13, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 12, 2013, 05:45:12 PM
Redhawk, How many points did Ripon beat Lawrence by last year??? If there was one thing we all should have taken from last year was the parity in the MWC.  Going into the last two weeks, there were I believe 6 teams that could have won the Conference.  There were a lot of very close games.  I wouldn't take any team lightly!

Hence my comment about defense.  Reread the post before you comment.  As for the rest of your comment I agree.  the MWC is up in the air for majority of the season for most teams.  I'm excited to see RC start out 2-0!  CU will be a good game... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on September 13, 2013, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2013, 08:15:39 AM
Here's the D3football.com Team of the Week, presented by Scoutware. One other MWC player on it as well:
http://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2013/week1

It's nice to see Demlow get recognized. That kid was all over the field on Saturday. He'll need a repeat performance this weekend against Coe.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2013, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: jjwalsh7496 on September 13, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
Apparently the issue was resolved Lamont Williams will be back the third week of the season. He was on the sidelines against Lakeland.

That's a nice boost for the Pioneers.  Interesting though since he wasn't mentioned in the season preview or listed on the roster at that time either, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
Week 2 Games
Beloit @ Monmouth - MC
Carroll @ Ripon - RC
Grinnell @ Illinois C. - IC
St. Norbert @ Knox - SNC
Lake Forest @ Lawrence - LFC
Cornell @ Coe - Coe

Carroll/Ripon looks like the game of the week to me.  Thoughts from anyone else??  Good luck Fighting Scots!  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 13, 2013, 07:03:55 PM
Here's your drink the Kool-aid special of the week. Beloit 9, Monmouth 6. Bucs intercept a game winning 2 point conversion attempt and take it to the house with no time on the clock.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 13, 2013, 07:19:00 PM
That is fantastic news. The caliber of player that Williams is puts Carroll right back in the conversation. The only thing they need to do now to keep themselves in the conversation is to beg, borrow and steal a win up at Ripon. I know it's a homer pick, but I say they do find a way. So... Here are my picks

CU v. Ripon: CU
Monmouth v. BC: Monmouth
IC v. Those other pioneers: Grinnell
LFC v. Lawrence: LFC
SNC v. Knox: SNC
Cornell v. Coe: Coe

Three cheers for conference play. Go you, CU!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 13, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 13, 2013, 07:03:55 PM
Here's your drink the Kool-aid special of the week. Beloit 9, Monmouth 6. Bucs intercept a game winning 2 point conversion attempt and take it to the house with no time on the clock.

The Good Guys go from the GOW to the K-aSOTW.  The Roop: I hope, for once, you are wrong.....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2013, 08:17:04 AM
That's a pretty complicated acronym scottie, not sure it will catch on. I'm thinking it's time for a poll. Drink the Kool Aid Special "DTKAS" or "K-aSOTW".
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2013, 08:23:45 AM
Hmmmm. Polls work a little different these days than they used to. You'll all have to go to the "Buy in to the program" page to vote. Don't worry Pat, I'll get rid of it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 08:24:35 AM
DTKAS

Beloit @ Monmouth - MC
Carroll @ Ripon - Ripon
Grinnell @ Illinois C. - IC
St. Norbert @ Knox - SNC
Lake Forest @ Lawrence - LFC
Cornell @ Coe - Cornell

GAMEDAY!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 03:02:22 PM
am I the only one who can get video to work? no luck from SNC, Knox or MWC sites.,,,  >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2013, 03:24:34 PM
At the half Monmouth 49 Beloit 0. This could still go either way however. Monmouths kicker will miss an extra point sooner or later, then it will be a new game. Got em where we wan't em Buc Nation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
One streak is over. Beloit has scored for the first time since 10/27/12. The losing streak appears to be continuing however. 56-7 Monmouth mid 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 14, 2013, 04:48:20 PM
Nail biter down to the wire. Monmouth 59 Beloit 14.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 14, 2013, 05:33:07 PM
Win #100 for the head Good Guy!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 14, 2013, 06:13:21 PM
Absolutely pathetic play down the stretch for Carroll; and costs them. In a span of 10 min in the 4th quarter you had an enexcusable breakdown in coverage by a corner that allowed a receiver to break free up the sideline for a first down on a 3rd and long (drive resulted in what wound up being the game winning field goal), a fumble while on the move for the game-winning score and a missed chip shot field goal to win it, which there is no excuse for not making. Carroll now faces a huge uphill challenge if they want a shot at winning this thing, and they have no one to blame but themselves. Better take some accountably and come out strong next week or their season could be over in week 3.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:26:19 PM
Lawrence giving it away. Kicker missed an EXP and three field goals - inlcuidng a 19 yarder with under 3:00 left (which may have been partially defeclted)

14-13 Foresters... tick tick tick
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:36:15 PM
Lawrence drove to the 12 yard line in the last minute, but after an offensive pass interference penalty, LU tried a 42 yard field goal. Blocked by LfC

final
Lake Forest 14
Lawrence 13
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through

I tried that, too, but no luck earlier...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 11:30:05 PM
Lake Forest slipped by in an ugly performance.  I am mostly going on what I heard, not what I saw.  Was at my other sons High School game trying to watch as much of it as I could on my I phone, but it was buffering terrible. 

Heard from some of the parents and players and not too many are happy with the performance.  Hope this is a wake up for them. 

On the positive side, they are 2 and 0 and complaining about where they are.  Only 3 years ago they only won 2 games the whole year.  On the negative side, they are not performing to their capabilities.  If they want to be successful, they need to outperform!

Will be interesting to see how they come out next week.

Hope everyone else had an injury free weekend at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through

I tried that, too, but no luck earlier...

I did not try to watch Midwest Conference games today but I did try to watch a couple of other Stretch Internet games and found they were hit or miss today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on September 14, 2013, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through

I tried that, too, but no luck earlier...

I did not try to watch Midwest Conference games today but I did try to watch a couple of other Stretch Internet games and found they were hit or miss today.

I was thinking that the technology would be better now, but the Linfield /HSU game was very choppy and the audio went bad in the 2nd half.....? Don't know why it's not better.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 15, 2013, 10:30:59 AM
Well sports fans yesterday seemed to be a great day for football. Not sure about the rest of the MWC cities but here in Beloit this morning it's a good day for ducks. Nice steady rain going on about 3 hours now. Where was this a month ago ??? Yard was ruined in the process and I feel like this might be too little too late. The Parade of Homes people won't even talk to me any more.

Bella only took a minute to do her business this morning while Prescott, Tiberius and Sassy still remain dead; so the weather isn't bothering them. Klaus, yes he's a gold fish, doesn't seem to mind it. Nor does Race, the otocinclus.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on September 15, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through

I tried that, too, but no luck earlier...

I did not try to watch Midwest Conference games today but I did try to watch a couple of other Stretch Internet games and found they were hit or miss today.

I had no issues yesterday and I clicked through to three different MWC games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 15, 2013, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: sncsid on September 15, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through

I tried that, too, but no luck earlier...

I did not try to watch Midwest Conference games today but I did try to watch a couple of other Stretch Internet games and found they were hit or miss today.

I had no issues yesterday and I clicked through to three different MWC games.
I lost the audio at halftime of the CU/Ripon game.  Anyone else?  I was able to hear audio from other sources so I figured it was a problem with the site/transmission. Not pilot error unless I was the only one. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 15, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on September 15, 2013, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: sncsid on September 15, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through

I tried that, too, but no luck earlier...

I did not try to watch Midwest Conference games today but I did try to watch a couple of other Stretch Internet games and found they were hit or miss today.

I had no issues yesterday and I clicked through to three different MWC games.
I lost the audio at halftime of the CU/Ripon game.  Anyone else?  I was able to hear audio from other sources so I figured it was a problem with the site/transmission. Not pilot error unless I was the only one.

I had audio for the first half of CU/RC game but the audio never came back when the video returned from halftime. I was able to hear other games during that time though and I tried to refresh it a few times but it never worked.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 16, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on September 14, 2013, 06:13:21 PM
Absolutely pathetic play down the stretch for Carroll; and costs them. In a span of 10 min in the 4th quarter you had an enexcusable breakdown in coverage by a corner that allowed a receiver to break free up the sideline for a first down on a 3rd and long (drive resulted in what wound up being the game winning field goal), a fumble while on the move for the game-winning score and a missed chip shot field goal to win it, which there is no excuse for not making. Carroll now faces a huge uphill challenge if they want a shot at winning this thing, and they have no one to blame but themselves. Better take some accountably and come out strong next week or their season could be over in week 3.

i was at that game and i was pacing the whole game.  Took the offense awhile to get in the endzone.  This was a great defensive game.  RC's defense played hard and kept RC in the game.  RC's offense drove the field well, just had issues finishing drives, which coming out 2-0 after 2 weeks of that, I think they will be getting that cleaned up real quick.  Did Williams play?  Last year he was #47,but I didn't see a #47 play on Saturday?! 

On another note, LFC beats LU by 1 point?  I guess that game had nothing to do with Defense as it looks like the defense played well on both sides!!!!  I'm truly in shock by that score... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 16, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on September 15, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: footballfan413 on September 15, 2013, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: sncsid on September 15, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
It's working for me when I go through the links on the scores tab at d3football.com.....

+1 -- thanks for clicking through

I tried that, too, but no luck earlier...

I did not try to watch Midwest Conference games today but I did try to watch a couple of other Stretch Internet games and found they were hit or miss today.

I had no issues yesterday and I clicked through to three different MWC games.
I lost the audio at halftime of the CU/Ripon game.  Anyone else?  I was able to hear audio from other sources so I figured it was a problem with the site/transmission. Not pilot error unless I was the only one.

I had audio for the first half of CU/RC game but the audio never came back when the video returned from halftime. I was able to hear other games during that time though and I tried to refresh it a few times but it never worked.
Thanks for the info.  I feel better knowing I was not just technically challenged.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2013, 11:56:45 AM
Hey, if we keep copying the ever-expanding quote, we'll end up having one thread per page and catch up to those other nit-wit conferences in no time.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
There are 15 posts per page regardless of their length.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2013, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
There are 15 posts per page regardless of their length.

spoilsport  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2013, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2013, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
There are 15 posts per page regardless of their length.

spoilsport  ;)

heaven forbid accuracy and fact interrupt this thread  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2013, 03:46:19 PM
I'll go back to my room now....   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2013, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2013, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2013, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
There are 15 posts per page regardless of their length.

spoilsport  ;)

heaven forbid accuracy and fact interrupt this thread  ;D

Great post! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 18, 2013, 06:19:52 AM
Saturdays game against Grinnell is the annual LFC Hero's day.  It's a pretty cool day where they honor the nations Hero's (Military, Police, Firefighters, etc)  If you're from Grinnell and have an attachment to a hero or are one, join in and wear something to show it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 18, 2013, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 18, 2013, 06:19:52 AM
Saturdays game against Grinnell is the annual LFC Hero's day.  It's a pretty cool day where they honor the nations Hero's (Military, Police, Firefighters, etc)  If you're from Grinnell and have an attachment to a hero or are one, join in and wear something to show it!

That's great thing to do....

So is this going to be a close game also?? Is LFC going to come out with a chip on their shoulder or because of last week embarrassed and role up into the fetal position and let Grinnell walk out with a W at LFC on a beautiful sunny and 70 degree day??  My prediction is LFC by 21 due to the close one last week....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 18, 2013, 12:55:38 PM
Hard to tell how they will come out.  Last week wasn't the defense I've seen, but you never know.....I hope they come out with the chip!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 18, 2013, 03:37:09 PM
F-Dad: What would concern me more than the final score is the box score.  It appears that Lawrence dominated most/all aspects of the game.  That is not good, F-Dad.....not good at all.  Grinnell has been getting pasted so far, so I'll pick LFC by 3 since it's in Lake Forest.  Eesh!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 18, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
Scottie,  I totally agree.  I didn't get a good view of the game.  I was watching on my I phone at my other sons game.  The reception was coming in and out.  But I didn't like what I saw.

This week will say a lot....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 18, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
Beloit wins two this year. They have Knox at home and will catch somebody on a let down game. Unfortunately it won't be this week. LU38 BC6. The hotdogs are good at Strong Stadium and its only five minutes away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2013, 11:31:30 AM
Well, isn't this new change in the Karma tracker cute?  Pointless, but cute.   ???

(+27 and I suspect I'll be dropping like a stone.  If PC wipes me out, please tell the world my story.....)   ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 19, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 19, 2013, 11:31:30 AM
Well, isn't this new change in the Karma tracker cute?  Pointless, but cute.   ???

(+27 and I suspect I'll be dropping like a stone.  If PC wipes me out, please tell the world my story.....)   ;)

Now I have to do math when I come to this site?  come on....... ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2013, 01:18:22 PM
Hey, I'm just tickled to finally being in the black!   Then they change the counter and it gets all confusing!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2013, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 19, 2013, 01:18:22 PM
Hey, I'm just tickled to finally being in the black!   Then they change the counter and it gets all confusing!

Don't sweat it...we all know that you'll earn your way back in the red soon enough! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2013, 04:31:41 PM
Make the formula by division and I'll be impressed.... :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 20, 2013, 03:30:42 PM
Week 3 Games
Grinnell @ Lake Forest - LFC
Knox @ Carroll - CU
Lawrence @ Beloit - LU
Ripon @ St. Norbert - SNC

Monmouth, Illinois C., and Cornell all are off with their bye week.  Ripon/St. Norbert looks like the best game of the week...it doesn't seem like any of the other 3 will be too close.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 20, 2013, 04:08:16 PM
Week 3 Games
Grinnell @ Lake Forest - LFC ---- This may be closer than we think!!!
Knox @ Carroll - CU
Lawrence @ Beloit - LU ----- I'm going with BU...  I think at home they could pull this off!!!! 
Ripon @ St. Norbert - SNC ------ obviously I am picking RC.  The biggest factor in this game is the offense; they can't come out flat and go almost 2 quarters w/o scoring.  They need to come out scoring from their first possession and the defense needs to play like they have the last two weeks and I feel that RC can come out on top!!!!!  Wish I could be at this game.. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 21, 2013, 02:10:58 AM
Week two doesn't leave much in terms of imaginative picks. LFC, LU, SNC and CU are winners this week. As far as the Pioneers go, it's now a season-long "must win" scenario. Let 's see if Williams is back in uniform, which really is the key to the season. Go CU!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 21, 2013, 07:28:20 AM
It's Hero's day in the Forrest.  Lake Forest needs to come out looking for a fight!  No more pussy footing around.  And no tip toeing out of bounds, right Scottie?  I think they'll answer the bell.  I'll have an eye on the SNC/ripon game.  Think that one will answer some questions too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 21, 2013, 10:00:05 AM
With the Fighting Scots AND the Fighting Illini BOTH with a bye week, me thinks Mav is going through some serious withdrawals today!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 01:57:16 PM
A cool, overcast day in De Pere. Nice crowd - with Ripon close and admission free because of events on campus
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 02:26:11 PM
Ripon's first drive had some big plays but stalled out. SNC took over on downs and drove 60 yards for the game's first score.  1 yard run by Boockmeier. 7-0 SNC with 2:48 left in the first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
SNC blocks a punt, takes over on the RC 24. Hawks almost get sack on 3rd and goal, but Tringali escapes, completes TD pass.  14-0 SNC with 13:41 left 2nd
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2013, 02:48:09 PM
Wake the kids, phone the neighbors. BC 14 LU 7 end of the 1st.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 21, 2013, 02:51:19 PM
UGLY first half. RC offense can't get anything going and the defense has short yardage to play with. Then this deep pass td.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 02:56:23 PM
After the 51yd TD, SNC intercepts at midfield and returns to the 1. A couple plays later SNC scores again On qb sneak. 27-0 SNC with 5:36 left in second.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 03:02:38 PM
Lawrence now up 21-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2013, 03:17:22 PM
Beloit has a seam and free pass to the end zone on the ensuing kick off but fumbles at the 35. They manage to recover and score 2 plays later. 21 all at the half. We still have ball game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 03:17:30 PM
SNC up 27-0 at half. LU and BC tied 21-210
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 21, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
LFC up 9-7 over Grinnell at the half.  Both offenses are struggling.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 03:42:43 PM
Ripon changes qb - now Covalt to start second half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 03:51:20 PM
SNC leads 27-6 early third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 03:58:43 PM
SNC up 33-6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2013, 04:03:25 PM
End of 3 BC 24 LU 21.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 04:14:24 PM
31-21 Bucs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2013, 04:14:54 PM
Mason "the Goal Line" Dixon races 40+ up the middle.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
Final: SNC wins 33-6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2013, 04:29:46 PM
Mason "the Goal Line" Dixon does it again. 42 yards up the middle untouched. 38-21, under 2:00 to play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Out of time outs LU is stopped on a 3rd and 8 in bounds. And there is your HOMECOMING DAGGER.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 21, 2013, 07:46:08 PM
LFC beats Grinnell by a score of EEESH to EEEEEEESH. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 21, 2013, 07:58:55 PM
LFC was much uglier than eeeeesh Scottie!  The Defense answered the bell as I expected.  But the offense was kinda ugly.  I gave up counting interceptions at the half.... But a win is a win.  In a strange place being 3-0 and wondering how they are.  I would think some big decisions have to be made in the very near future or these wheels are gonna fall off this wagon!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 21, 2013, 08:03:13 PM
F-Dad, the LFC results just seem strange so far.  The W-L record and the performances don't seem in sync.  I can't believe I'm saying/typing this, but I think Knox might be a slight favorite at home against the Foresters next week.  If they play LFC like they normally play MC, Knox will blow them out.  "You heard it here first......"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 21, 2013, 08:23:47 PM
You won't hear an argument out of this cat!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 21, 2013, 08:37:50 PM
I don't know, the LFC offense looks terrible but the defense is impressive.  I think only the upper-echelon MWC offenses have a chance to score on them.  I don't think Knox is there.  Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 21, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
I think we can just cancel the remainder of the season and put LFC in the playoffs. They have the easiest schedule since they don't play Beloit this year. Better to be lucky than good.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 21, 2013, 08:51:40 PM
Anyone want to rank the teams after 3 weeks of play?  I'm not following the conference as closely as previous years, but here are my thoughts.  Please tell me where you think I'm wrong.

Top tier -- 1.) Monmouth, 2.) Illinois College 3.) St. Norbert
    Monmouth's loss to Coe is very respectable.  I know it's a small sample size, but I think they might have the best overall team in the league this year. Illinois College looks similar to previous years -- they can score, but are they physical enough to win upcoming battles against Monmouth, LFC, and Carroll.  LFC and Carroll physically beat them up last year.  St. Norbert did the conference no favors in getting smoked by John Carroll but has whipped up in conference these first two weeks.  I'm buying their D, but how good is their O?

One step down -- 4.) Lake Forest and 5.) Carroll
    Lake Forest's defense will keep them in every game.  They are kind of like the Bears in years past -- can their D and special teams score in big games to mask offensive woes?  Yes, I know Ripon beat Carroll but that was before Lamont Williams returned.  I still think Carroll will have a say in who wins conference this year.

Middle of the pack -- 6.) Ripon and  7.) Cornell
   I'm not buying into Ripon after the Carroll game given their poor effort today against Norbert.  Huge game for them next week against IC.  I think Cornell has the offensive firepower to have their best season in years.

Bottom tier -- 8.) Knox, 9.) Grinnell, 10.) Beloit, 11.) Lawrence
   Not much to see here right?  I don't think any of these teams steal wins from the 7 above.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2013, 08:21:22 AM
One player on LFC who is really impressing me is the kicker.  He's kicking the beJesus out of the ball.  His missed Field Goal attempt was a 50 plus yard attempt that went off the cross bar!  He hit a 47 yarder in the Concordia game.  But the plays that stick out were two bad snaps on punts.  One over the head, the other heading there and he batted the ball to himself.  On both plays he then ran latteraly and Australian Rules football kicked two beauties.  Headsy kid!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 22, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
TitanPride I think you spent too much time on your analysis. Right now I see the MWC as. (in no particular order) SNC, Monmouth, Ripon, Carroll, IC, LFC and the rest. On the plus side however I'm glad it's not a two team conference any more. Sure, they could be a 3 loss team in the playoffs but the competition will make them better so hopefully the MWC Rep isn't a 1st round bye for somebody.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 22, 2013, 12:34:14 PM
T-Pride: You're a great American!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 24, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
1. Who will be the two teams that take out Monmouth ?? Beloit really needs tie breaker help as they don't play Lake Forest this year. 2. Why is UW-Whitewater always ducking the Bucs ?? I'm getting tired of seeing Chicago as the non-conference game every year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 24, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
1. Who will be the two teams that take out Monmouth ?? Beloit really needs tie breaker help as they don't play Lake Forest this year. 2. Why is UW-Whitewater always ducking the Bucs ?? I'm getting tired of seeing Chicago as the non-conference game every year.

When was the last time a MWC team beat a WIAC team? SNC has had some pretty good teams (relatively speaking) and I don't think the Knights have beaten a state team since downing Platteville in 1983. I know Ripon came close with UWO a few years ago. Point is, if you basically have no chance of winning, is it advantageous to play?

That said, I still wish SNC would play UWO or UWSP. They play in other sports. But since the playing field isn't really all that level, is it a good idea?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 26, 2013, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 24, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
1. Who will be the two teams that take out Monmouth ?? Beloit really needs tie breaker help as they don't play Lake Forest this year. 2. Why is UW-Whitewater always ducking the Bucs ?? I'm getting tired of seeing Chicago as the non-conference game every year.

When was the last time a MWC team beat a WIAC team? SNC has had some pretty good teams (relatively speaking) and I don't think the Knights have beaten a state team since downing Platteville in 1983. I know Ripon came close with UWO a few years ago. Point is, if you basically have no chance of winning, is it advantageous to play?

That said, I still wish SNC would play UWO or UWSP. They play in other sports. But since the playing field isn't really all that level, is it a good idea?

"No change of Winning"??  So with that logic does that mean that Lawrence and Beloit should forfeit the rest of their season??  The great thing about football is any Saturday anyone can win.  Now would I bet my years pay on a MWC team beating a state school anytime soon..... NO....  But to make a comment saying that it's not "advantageous to play" is ludacris.  The great thing about a team playing a state school is it's a different level of play and a learning experience.  If you go back and look at my other posts you will see that I think the MWC has a lot that it needs to improve to be considered a top teir conference.  In order to get another team into the play-offs is going to take years of have a strong conference and making it a couple rounds in the play-offs.  It's not there yet... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 26, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
SNC did beat UW-Whitewater in the play offs a few years back. Check your history before challenging The Roop.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2013, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: The Roop on September 26, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
SNC did beat UW-Whitewater in the play offs a few years back. Check your history before challenging The Roop.

I don't know what sport you're referring to, but it's not football. St. Norbert's only playoff win is against Simpson.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 27, 2013, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 26, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
SNC did beat UW-Whitewater in the play offs a few years back. Check your history before challenging The Roop.

The last time the WARHAWKS lost to SNC was 1976 by a score of 6-3.  Since that time SNC is 0-4 against the WARHAWKS.  I checked the history. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2013, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 21, 2013, 10:00:05 AM
With the Fighting Scots AND the Fighting Illini BOTH with a bye week, me thinks Mav is going through some serious withdrawals today!   ;D

There were definite withdrawals on Saturday!  Luckily, I had a wedding/reception that kept me occupied. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2013, 11:08:25 AM
Week 4 Games
Beloit @ Grinnell - GC
Cornell @ Monmouth - MC
Illinois C. @ Ripon - IC
Lake Forest @ Knox - LFC
St. Norbert @ Carroll - SNC

Got a good slate of games for Saturday...St. Norbert/Carroll looks like the game of the week.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 27, 2013, 11:14:37 AM
Beloit @ Grinnell - GC ..... Agree
Cornell @ Monmouth - MC ..... hmmm agree  :P
Illinois C. @ Ripon - IC ...  RC
Lake Forest @ Knox - LFC ...  Knox
St. Norbert @ Carroll - SNC ... Carroll

There is no way that RC is going to lose on homecoming to IC after last week's loss to SNC.  I also think Knox is going to get a W against LFC.. The games have been to close so far for LFC and they have come home with a W, the streak ends tomorrow.  As for the SNC/Carroll game, I think Carroll is a better team and it's home for them.  I see Carroll winning by 3. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 27, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
DTKAS Cornell 19 Monmouth 17 (failed two point conversion)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 27, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
Beloit @ Grinnell - GC 21-10
Cornell @ Monmouth - MC  35-24
Illinois C. @ Ripon - IC  42-21
Lake Forest @ Knox - LFC  20-13
St. Norbert @ Carroll - Carroll  28-27
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 27, 2013, 06:21:43 PM
Knox 3 - LFC 2.  EEEESH!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 27, 2013, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 27, 2013, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: The Roop on September 26, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
SNC did beat UW-Whitewater in the play offs a few years back. Check your history before challenging The Roop.

The last time the WARHAWKS lost to SNC was 1976 by a score of 6-3.  Since that time SNC is 0-4 against the WARHAWKS.  I checked the history. ;)

SNC has an all-time winning record against 6 state schools and a losing record against 4, including Whitewater.

As I said, I wish SNC would play the state schools. However, I also know that the only conceivable way for a second MWC team to get into the NCAA tournament is to finish with one conference loss and have a non-con win. I think that's more likely against someone from elsewhere than the WIAC. Of course such a win would be preferable.

I'm not sure what good the 41-9 and 45-7 drubbings SNC suffered at the hands of UWW did the last two times they played. Maybe a coach would disagree in that whole "measuring stick" sort of way. I'd rather see them play a midlevel team from another league and have a chance. SNC plays Carthage the next two years - and in concept I like that better.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 06:09:49 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 27, 2013, 06:21:43 PM
Knox 3 - LFC 2.  EEEESH!

Come on now Scottie.......

LFC 4-Knox 3 is more like it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2013, 08:19:53 AM
4-3 on a walk off or does Knox rally to make it interesting ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 10:14:48 AM
Lake Forest scores two safety's in the last quarter and blocks 3 Field Goal attempts in the final 3 minutes.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2013, 10:53:35 AM
That was my next guess.

In high school sports. Beloit Memorial finally won a homecoming game in a defensive struggle 50-43 over Madison East. Not sure but I think the last time that happened Cornell was still in the MWC and won it. Cancel the season. Rams fans make plans for a road game in the play offs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 02:04:09 PM
carroll feeds having problems... missed the start, now the score bar is right across the middle of the screen :(

update: at least they know. score bar moved... we can hear two sets of people offering play by play...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 02:35:51 PM
SNC leads 7-0 after 1
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
Lake Forest scores on a 30 yard pass to alex pascowicz (sp?) with 4 minutes left in the half. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 03:00:38 PM
End of the first half, Lake Firest 7, Knox 0.  Very windy which is affecting both offenses.  lake Forest attempted a 57 yard field goal which was short by 5 yards ir so...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 03:04:42 PM
Boockmeier 13-yard TD run with :37.7 left in the first half. 14-7 SNC

And the announcer, bless her she's trying, but... at least please leave off the "S" - it's singular. St. Norbert.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 03:11:53 PM
14-7 SNC leads at the half

SNC has had some good drives but mistakes ended a couple. Very nice long drive with that score just before the half. CU put together a nice long scoring drive, with about 35-yard pass as the key play

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 03:20:41 PM
IC leads Ripon 31-10 in the second

Monmouth leads Cornell 17-3 at the half

Grinnell leads Beloit 21-10
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 03:53:58 PM
lake Forest 14-Knox 0 at the end of the third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 03:55:37 PM
SNC leads 14-7 after 3

SNC missed a 37-yard field goal. Carroll has the ball on own 32 or so to start 4th
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 04:20:54 PM
Ripon scores, now 31-28 IC leads
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 04:25:05 PM
SNC's Parker intercepts the ball and returns for the 30 yard touchdown  ;D

SNC leads 21-7 with 2:24 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 04:29:01 PM
Final at Knox.  Lake Forest wins 14-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 04:32:25 PM
another big defensive play by SNC to close this out... sack's CU qb, forces fumble, recovers at 1. SNC scores on next play. misses exp 27-7 with 2:06 left

IC now leads ripon 37-28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2013, 04:38:11 PM
another SNC interception to seal it. SNC wins 27-7

Illinois College up 44-28
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 28, 2013, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
Lake Forest scores on a 30 yard pass to alex pascowicz (sp?) with 4 minutes left in the half.

Hey. I know somebody that is related to that guy. (and your spelling is close enough)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2013, 10:54:24 PM
Yeah, he's making an impact as a freshman.  Nice to watch him and the other freshman running back (Quinn)! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on September 29, 2013, 02:19:57 PM
Ron White will be in Waukegan April 11th. That's about a block away from Lake Forest.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Scottie will be in the Maple City on October 11.  Will the good guys be on a win streak or losing streak by then????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on September 30, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
Did anyone make it to the Monmouth-Cornell game that could comment on what happened?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on September 30, 2013, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on September 30, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
Did anyone make it to the Monmouth-Cornell game that could comment on what happened?

Cali, I believe AshPark made it over.  I got a few snipits from him, but haven't heard all the details.  Sounds like there was possibly a fight or a little scurmish at the end.  Not sure what happened. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on September 30, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on September 27, 2013, 11:14:37 AM
Beloit @ Grinnell - GC ..... Agree
Cornell @ Monmouth - MC ..... hmmm agree  :P
Illinois C. @ Ripon - IC ...  RC
Lake Forest @ Knox - LFC ...  Knox
St. Norbert @ Carroll - SNC ... Carroll

There is no way that RC is going to lose on homecoming to IC after last week's loss to SNC.  I also think Knox is going to get a W against LFC.. The games have been to close so far for LFC and they have come home with a W, the streak ends tomorrow.  As for the SNC/Carroll game, I think Carroll is a better team and it's home for them.  I see Carroll winning by 3.

Just to beat everyone to the punch....  I was WAY off!!!  I'll admit that the Carroll and Ripon game suprised me.  However I only saw parts of the RC game on the Ipad so I am unable to comment much, but I will say that the pick-6 might have been the dagger for RC..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2013, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: OhIowa on September 30, 2013, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on September 30, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
Did anyone make it to the Monmouth-Cornell game that could comment on what happened?

Cali, I believe AshPark made it over.  I got a few snipits from him, but haven't heard all the details.  Sounds like there was possibly a fight or a little scurmish at the end.  Not sure what happened.

Perhaps Maverick might know, if he was there.  (Keep it clean, Mav!)  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2013, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 30, 2013, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: OhIowa on September 30, 2013, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on September 30, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
Did anyone make it to the Monmouth-Cornell game that could comment on what happened?

Cali, I believe AshPark made it over.  I got a few snipits from him, but haven't heard all the details.  Sounds like there was possibly a fight or a little scurmish at the end.  Not sure what happened.

Perhaps Maverick might know, if he was there.  (Keep it clean, Mav!)  ;)


scottie - What makes you think you have to tell me to keep it clean?! ;)

I was there and saw what happened--just a little skirmish following the game is the best way to describe it...no fighting or punches thrown by anyone, just some yapping back and forth.  After the final desparation pass was knocked down and incomplete, the Cornell sideline erupted and began to celebrate--normal stuff for a big comeback win in a road game and I thought they did a good job of getting emotions back under control for the handshake line.  However, while everyone else was celebrating with teammates or lining up at the 50-yard line, #6 for Cornell sprinted to the opposite end of the field and let the Monmouth side know "this is my house" while pounding on his chest.  Several Monmouth players took exception to his celebration/behavior and let him know about it when he headed back toward the middle of the field where the handshake line was going (all civil there between the players and coaches).  Coaching staffs from both sides stepped in, got their players moving away from any further trouble, and that was the end of it as both teams gathered for their post game talks.  I know we've all heard to "win with class" and "act like you've been there before", and honestly the majority of the Cornell team did a good job...but #6's actions were definitely unnecessary and showed no class at all.  Had he not acted the way he did, I think it would have been a very normal post game handshake line between the 2 teams.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2013, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Scottie will be in the Maple City on October 11.  Will the good guys be on a win streak or losing streak by then????

You planning on going to the high school game in town that night?  No Scots game on the 11th. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on September 30, 2013, 04:27:17 PM
Well....at least LU didn't lose this week....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2013, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 30, 2013, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Scottie will be in the Maple City on October 11.  Will the good guys be on a win streak or losing streak by then????

You planning on going to the high school game in town that night?  No Scots game on the 11th. :D

Technically, my comment is correct as it stands.....  I'll be in town on Friday and the Good Guys may have a winning streak or a losing streak by the game on Saturday.  :) 

Do you have any comments on the game itself, Mav?  Not sure if you want to re-live it....    :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 30, 2013, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 30, 2013, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Scottie will be in the Maple City on October 11.  Will the good guys be on a win streak or losing streak by then????

You planning on going to the high school game in town that night?  No Scots game on the 11th. :D

Technically, my comment is correct as it stands.....  I'll be in town on Friday and the Good Guys may have a winning streak or a losing streak by the game on Saturday.  :) 

Do you have any comments on the game itself, Mav?  Not sure if you want to re-live it....    :-\

Well at least you capitalized Good Guys that time. ;)  Will you be at the MC homecoming game on Saturday, October 12th?

Comments on the game...it was a rainy second half and we let one that we should've had get away.  Seriously though, the second half just had a different feel to it after the early FG that made it 20-3.  I can't really put my finger on what was different, if it was the level of intensity or focus or anything like that--but the offense just couldn't get much going in the second half and the defense (which played pretty well in the first half) couldn't manage to get off the field when they needed to on the 3 long touchdown drives...I think Cornell had the ball for almost twice as long as Monmouth in the second half time of possession category, or at least it felt that way.  Bottom line: Monmouth never completely finished them off and put them away, Cornell did a good job of continuing to fight even though they were down, they found a way to get some momentum during the second half, and rode that momentum on both sides of the ball to come all the way back for the win.  You're right though--not a fun one to re-live from our side of it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2013, 11:36:17 PM
Yes, a scottiesighting is on the horizon.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 01, 2013, 10:35:57 AM
Scottie,

I would like to formally invite you to the Forest on Oct 19th.  You will receive an all inclusive package.  This will include, priority parking, access to the best tailgate in the MWC.  Food, drinks, and alcohol included.  The Host party will throw in free tickets to the game, along with priority seating in the middle of the Lake Forest Gridiron Gang, with 5 beats on the Lake Forest Drum.

How can you not take advantage?

Please RSVP
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
F-Dad:  I must send my regrets.  While your offer is generous (albeit mysteriously lacking any female considerations......c'mon, it's scottie!) and likely NOT an ambush, the upcoming scottiesighting  in the Maple City is taking place in light of serious travel considerations and semi-significant expense which, unfortunately, cannot be duplicated the following week.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2013, 09:48:51 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 01, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
F-Dad:  I must send my regrets.  While your offer is generous (albeit mysteriously lacking any female considerations......c'mon, it's scottie!) and likely NOT an ambush, the upcoming scottiesighting  in the Maple City is taking place in light of serious travel considerations and semi-significant expense which, unfortunately, cannot be duplicated the following week.   

"Likely not an ambush"...c'mon, it's F-Dad!  What do you think 5 beats on the Lake Forest drum means?! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 02, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
Gunny, did you seriously mention free alcohol and not include LCpl Ruppert in the same invitation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 02, 2013, 04:48:40 PM
LCpl, you know you are always invited.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 02, 2013, 10:41:02 PM
I'll contact a certain former Cpl. and see what he's doing that day. Alex "however you spell it's" uncle. I can see us ending up at the Bally Muck. It's kind of the Tun Tavern of Waukegan.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 02, 2013, 10:57:02 PM
When you come to the LFC Tailgate, just look for unlucky #13.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 02, 2013, 11:04:07 PM
By the way.  Congrats to Pat Clark for being named MWC defensive player of the week.  Pat's a very smart DB who is aggressive on the field!  We'll be seeing his name a lot in the next couple years.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on October 03, 2013, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 02, 2013, 10:57:02 PM
When you come to the LFC Tailgate, just look for unlucky #13.

:)
So tailgating and alcohol is allowed at LFC?  A newbie here. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2013, 06:42:24 AM
Yes it is.  It's a very good tailgate crew at LFC.  We even have a name, the Gridiron Gang.  It's definitely worth the price of admission, FREE! lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on October 04, 2013, 08:37:56 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 04, 2013, 06:42:24 AM
Yes it is.  It's a very good tailgate crew at LFC.  We even have a name, the Gridiron Gang.  It's definitely worth the price of admission, FREE! lol.
Thanks so much for the info.    :)  BTW, Is there any school in the MWC that does not allow it? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 04, 2013, 08:45:44 AM
At Monmouth you have to keep it off campus; unless that has changed. At Beloit keep it in the parking lot. FYI "to go cups" aren't generally inspected unless you make it obvious.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 04, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
I don't believe alcohol is allowed period on the Illinois College campus, with one exception being the Alumni Tent on Homecoming weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 04, 2013, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 04, 2013, 08:45:44 AM
At Monmouth you have to keep it off campus; unless that has changed. At Beloit keep it in the parking lot. FYI "to go cups" aren't generally inspected unless you make it obvious.

If you're not planning to attend the football game on Saturdays, all students must report to either the Library or the Chapel between the hours of 1:00 and 4:00.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 04, 2013, 12:44:58 PM
Week 5 Games
Beloit @ Cornell - CC
Carroll @ Lake Forest - LFC
Illinois C. @ Lawrence - IC
Monmouth @ St. Norbert - MC
Ripon @ Knox - RC

Carroll/Lake Forest and Monmouth/St. Norbert both look like the best games for Saturday.  Hoping to see Monmouth bounce back from a tough loss last week and go get a hard-earned win in their first road game!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 04, 2013, 03:53:07 PM
Do you have a score for the Monmouth St. Norbert game Maverick?? That was going to be my special.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 04, 2013, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 04, 2013, 03:53:07 PM
Do you have a score for the Monmouth St. Norbert game Maverick?? That was going to be my special.

Something low-scoring, but not like Lake Forest low-scoring (sorry F-Dad, had to throw that in there ;)).  Maybe in the neighborhood of 20-17, 24-23...somewhere around there is what I'm thinking.  Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2013, 01:10:25 AM
Now I have to go with an alternate pick. Ripon 28 Knox 16. Rain storm predicted.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 08:18:07 AM
No prob Mav, but don,t complain when your boys lose 2-0 when they visit the Forest!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 08:18:07 AM
No prob Mav, but don,t complain when your boys lose 2-0 when they visit the Forest!

I hope not. I'm thanking of coming to that game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
Gray, hazy, overcast and misting at SNC. About 65 degrees so comfortable that way.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 02:20:10 PM
With 9:31 left in the first quarter, we are in a lightning delay at SNC.

Monmouth drove down easily on first drive but fumbled it away on the 5 yard line. SNC has run two plays but now stopped indefinitely
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 05, 2013, 02:28:29 PM
Hey puckfan...If you've got any connections to the guys who do the webcast, make sure you tell them to take the pre-game box off the screen when the game starts back up so I can actually see what's happening instead of just listening to their broadcast.  Thanks. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 02:56:17 PM
Set a 215 pm to resume but then we got more lightning.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 03:01:25 PM
Lake Forest up 7-0 end of the first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 03:05:26 PM
Ripon leads Knox 17-7 at half.

Rain letting in De Pere but refs not moving yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2013, 03:10:00 PM
1 play, 1 interception. Cornell scores a couples plays later. 7-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 05, 2013, 03:19:17 PM
3rd and a mile, Cornell goes the distance. I'm done watching.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
Rain stopped. Refs coming out but no players yet
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 03:21:44 PM
Play to resume at SNC at 230
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 03:34:11 PM
SNC back playing
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
Monmouth blocks punt. First and goal at SNC 7.

TD pass on to petersen on second down. Missed exp 6-0 scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
Lake Forest still up 7-0.  Carroll starting qb out, haven't seen Williams in about 10 minutes.  Lake Forest defense driving this game so far.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 03:49:43 PM
SNC missed FG

SNC then blocks punt and Monmouth kicks out of endzone for safety

6-2 in the first inning, um, quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 05, 2013, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 03:49:43 PM
SNC missed FG

SNC then blocks punt and Monmouth kicks out of endzone for safety

6-2 in the first inning, um, quarter

Strange first inning/period/quarter comes to an end...Monmouth still leads 6-2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 04:03:49 PM
SNC better start turning drives into points...   Btw, that was the first SNC turnover of the year. 5 yard line a bad spot for it
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 04:04:43 PM
No SNC turnovers all year then do it back to back
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 04:08:49 PM
Monmouth converts to TD, gets 2 pt conversion. 14-2 scots with 7:36 left second
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 04:31:56 PM
SNC stopped at the goal line just before the half. 14-5 scots leading at the (second) break
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 04:35:48 PM
Carroll scores on a 4th and 7.  Tied 7-7 end of the third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
lake Forest ces bac and scores om a 20 run by the fresam Pascawitz.  Extra poont god
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 05:41:47 PM
Game stoppe because of lightnimg.  .31 seconds left.  Carroll ball.  2nd and 5 from thier own 15 yardline.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 05, 2013, 06:34:56 PM
I had to bail at the half to make it to a family function but glad to see snc came back for the 22-14 win!  Held the scots to 74 yards in the second half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
Crazy day in Lake Forest.  Lake forest scored wth winning touchdown with 4 minutes left and hung on through a wild lightning storm delay for a 14-13 win against Carroll.  I'll post a recap after I unwaterlog!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 07, 2013, 06:24:09 PM
Ok, Ok, I know I had a few adult beverages on Saturday.....

And I thought I had a dream that the one and only Pat Coleman was thinking of visiting the Forest for the Monmouth game.  But I wasn't sure if the dream was alcohol induced or not.

Now Pat, you are invited to the same reception as Scottie had.  I will even hold you a seat on the 50 yard line, about 15 rows up.  The drum will be close by for you to have a few whacks on. 

Please, PLEASE say you are coming.  I'd love to share war stories with you in person!

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 08, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Roop will be there. Not sure if that will help your cause of enticing Pat to attend but I think will. Plus I will have The Chairperson of the Board with me as well as a local politician to keep in line.

That being said Gunny. Old Style Beer and Tanqueray & Tonics and there had better be a smoking zone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 08, 2013, 09:51:19 PM
Feature story on a SNC player also on ROTC:
http://www.fox11online.com/sports/college/snc-player-tackles-football-rotc
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on October 08, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Could someone tell me who has  the nicest most beautiful campus in the fall in your league? In our league I think it's Lewis and Clark.

Thanks for your answer....BLUe
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 09, 2013, 07:51:00 AM
In no particular order I would say Beloit, Lake Forest and Grinnell. Monmouth is a close contender but the completion of the scottiedome spoiled it a little.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: pgkevin on October 09, 2013, 11:59:56 AM
http://www.lakeforest.edu/

I've never seen the other campuses in the fall, but being from 20 minutes away from Lake Forest, I can say their location a mile or so from Lake Michigan with an abundance of 100+ yr. old trees surrounding the campus is pretty hard to beat.

I included the website, because on the background of their home page there is an overhead picture of the campus in the early stages of fall.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 09, 2013, 06:23:07 PM
SNC has the river running along side of it - makes for gorgeous scene. Frankly most look quite nice
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 11, 2013, 03:18:29 PM
Week 6 Games
Cornell @ St. Norbert - SNC
Grinnell @ Monmouth - MC
Knox @ Beloit - BC
Lake Forest @ Illinois C. - IC
Lawrence @ Carroll - CU

CC/SNC and LFC/IC tie for the best games of the week since all four are still unbeaten in MWC play.  Should both be good games but I think the LFC/IC match-up will winding up being the better of the two and will be more meaningful in the long run.  Hope to see MC get back into the W column for homecoming weekend also.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on October 11, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 09, 2013, 06:23:07 PM
SNC has the river running along side of it - makes for gorgeous scene. Frankly most look quite nice


Lawrence has the same river, and much nicer architecture then SNC in my opinion, but of course I'm probably biased.  The Banta Bowl carved into the hillside with the river beyond is a pretty damn nice place on a Saturday afternoon...assuming you aren't in fact watching the football being played in front of you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 11, 2013, 11:08:26 PM
DTKAS. LCF 7, IC 5 in 11 innings.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 12, 2013, 06:09:04 AM
I think LFC is the team with the score that has a two in it Roop.  I say 5-3 in 12.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2013, 11:19:42 AM
Can't wait for the LFC/IC game today.  Should be a great one!  I'm pulling for IC but LFC just seems to have a knack for winning close games.  Since the start of last year, LFC is 12-1 in conference play with 10 of those wins coming by 10 or fewer points!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2013, 02:05:16 PM
LFC's QB fumbles on the first play.  IC recovers and scores 5 plays later.  7-0 IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2013, 02:15:43 PM
IC turns LFC over on downs then marches down the field for another TD.  Kevin Fuller with an outstanding catch in the corner of the endzone.  14-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2013, 02:29:58 PM
20-0, wow!  The LFC D was put in a bad position after the fumble on the first drive, but on the last two possessions, they have been yielding up big plays.  Not what I was expecting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2013, 02:55:19 PM
Another Bates to Fuller TD.  27-0 IC.  LFC's D has already given up 230 yards of total offense.

In the other big game of the week, Cornell leads St. Norbert 14-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2013, 03:06:07 PM
Bates to Josh Gentile, who makes a beautiful diving catch.  34-0 late in the first half.  Bates is 16-22 for 224 yards with 3 TDs.  Cecil Brimmage with 13 carries for 80 yards and 2 TDs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 12, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
SNC gets back in with a TD with :31 left in the half. Rams lead 14-7.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
48-0 now Illinois College over Lake Forest.  IC is just smashing LFC in the mouth.  No idea if LFC is missing key players.  Certainly don't think anyone was expecting this.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 12, 2013, 04:26:27 PM
KC 31 BC 21
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 12, 2013, 04:53:12 PM
SNC gets fourth interception of the day with under a minute left to seal 20-17 win over Cornell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 12, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
Carrol leads Lawrence 41-0 and it isn't halftime yet
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 13, 2013, 09:44:32 AM
So looking ahead, St. Norbert's next 4 weeks are: @ Lawrence, BYE, vs Beloit, @ Grinnell.  It would be a major surprise if they lost any of those, which would get them to 8-0 in the conference heading into the final week at Lake Forest.  Assuming St. Norbert is undefeated headed into the last week, that means it's just a 4 team race for the AQ:  SNC, Illinois College, Cornell and Lake Forest.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2013, 12:12:56 AM
Well, scottie made it back to God's Country this past weekend and I think we all saw what the effect was on the field of play.  If the college would like to charter me to the game sites over the next few weeks, please contact my agent.   ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 15, 2013, 01:52:28 AM
scottie, I'm pretty sure Mt. Monmouth would have won whether you were there or not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2013, 09:22:41 AM
Perhaps.....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 15, 2013, 09:47:34 AM
Got my first look at IC Saturday and came away very impressed.  I still think Lake Forest is a good team; they just ran into a buzzsaw Saturday.  I should get to see the Blueboys play Knox and Monmouth as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2013, 09:49:38 PM
Today's quiz:

Q: Saturday's game between Lawrence and SNC is;
A - a conference game
B - a non conference game
C - both

Turns out the answer is "c". It counts as a MWC game for the Knights but not for the Vikings. Seems LU is the only team playing a full round robin but obviously has to have one non-con game based on league scheduling guidelines. I'm guessing it was their choice to pick this one as not counting.

Very odd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 16, 2013, 01:04:22 PM
So this may have been mentioned a ways back, but I'm not a native MWC fan so forgive my asking.  What happens if St. Norbert and Illinois College both finish undefeated in conference play without playing one another?  How does the tie get resolved to decide the Pool A bid?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on October 16, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 16, 2013, 01:04:22 PM
So this may have been mentioned a ways back, but I'm not a native MWC fan so forgive my asking.  What happens if St. Norbert and Illinois College both finish undefeated in conference play without playing one another?  How does the tie get resolved to decide the Pool A bid?
Best of 3 in Rock, Paper, Scissors
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 16, 2013, 02:34:40 PM
It would go to most quarters in the lead.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 16, 2013, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 16, 2013, 02:34:40 PM
It would go to most quarters in the lead.

For the season or restricted to MWC play only?

Probably not that it matters...I've got IC with a 6-quarter lead here.  10 quarters (which is really insurmountable) if we count the non-conference games. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 16, 2013, 06:45:41 PM
That's the problem with second half comebacks - good for winning games, not this tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2013, 12:25:24 AM
As I understand it it's conference play only. That being said, there isn't a 1st place tie at the end of the season yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2013, 10:20:12 AM
As usual, I contend that the fate of the MWC crown will be dependant on the Good Guys.  In other words, Advantage Green Knights.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 17, 2013, 10:46:33 AM
scottie and his theories. Much like scientific models none are accurate but some are more helpful than others. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
IC's remaining schedule:
at Beloit (1-4)
vs. Knox (1-4)
vs. Monmouth (2-2)
at Cornell (3-1)
at Carroll (2-3)

SNC's remaining schedule:
at Lawrence (0-5)
vs. Beloit (1-4)
vs. Grinnell (1-3)
at Lake Forest (4-1)

Pretty obvious that the Blueboys are now big LFC fans, while SNC will be cheering for the Rams & Scots. SNC has a small advantage insofar as it has one fewer chance to stumble, with its bye week still to come. If IC already has the quarters led (I believe you; I just haven't done the math myself), I can't see SNC passing them, especially with one less game to play.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 17, 2013, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
IC's remaining schedule:
at Beloit (1-4)
vs. Knox (1-4)
vs. Monmouth (2-2)
at Cornell (3-1)
at Carroll (2-3)

SNC's remaining schedule:
at Lawrence (0-5)
vs. Beloit (1-4)
vs. Grinnell (1-3)
at Lake Forest (4-1)

Pretty obvious that the Blueboys are now big LFC fans, while SNC will be cheering for the Rams & Scots. SNC has a small advantage insofar as it has one fewer chance to stumble, with its bye week still to come. If IC already has the quarters led (I believe you; I just haven't done the math myself), I can't see SNC passing them, especially with one less game to play.

Don't forget Carroll.  Last year, they took IC to the woodshed in a 49-14 victory with Lamont Williams running wild for 304 yards and 6 TDs. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2013, 08:56:30 AM
SNCs only bump in the road might be to close out the season @Lake Forest. IC on the other hand could be looking at as many as 3. Cornell is in similar shape with only one gimme. Don't think we'll need to worry about tie breakers now that I've looked at schedules. Lake Forest has to run the table and could still wind up the bridesmaid again if IC doesn't lose twice.

At least when we get Macalester it will be a little easier to figure out with divisional play.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 18, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
I don't see Carroll taking IC to the woodshed this year.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 18, 2013, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 18, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
I don't see Carroll taking IC to the woodshed this year.....
I only watched their game against SNC, but the Pios certainly didn't seem to have the offense to keep up with what IC is scoring. SNC 'only' won because it forced turnovers on the last three possessions, otherwise that game was a low scoring tossup.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 18, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 18, 2013, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 18, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
I don't see Carroll taking IC to the woodshed this year.....
I only watched their game against SNC, but the Pios certainly didn't seem to have the offense to keep up with what IC is scoring. SNC 'only' won because it forced turnovers on the last three possessions, otherwise that game was a low scoring tossup.

Don't have the stats in front of me but I think Carroll had one of their most impressive offensive outputs of the season last year against IC. Their physical style dominated.  They held the IC offense to 14 points and ran for over 300 yards. And the game this year is up in Wisconsin in November. Not sure when is the last time IC won up there.

If, if, IC can make it to the last week undefeated, Carroll will be no gimme. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2013, 01:23:22 PM
First one to 60 probably wins that game. Neither team is one that backs off the gas when they have an advantage.

Hopefully I don't offended my hosts tomorrow but in the DTKAS Good Guys 24 LFC 17
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 18, 2013, 01:36:03 PM
Hosts offended.

:)

The Carroll offense was totally non effective when I watched them at Lake Forest.  Most of their yards were longer distance desperation throws from the qb.  Williams was held to 63 yards (one run of 43 on a cutback break free run was 2/3rds of that).  Didn't see them ever get out of second gear all day. 

IC is big, strong and fast.  Bates is the best QB in the league IMHO.  Just not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2013, 01:43:31 PM
Good guys tip toe out of town with a 42-7 win. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 18, 2013, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 18, 2013, 01:23:22 PM
Hopefully I don't offended my hosts tomorrow but in the DTKAS Good Guys 24 LFC 17

Quote from: scottie on October 18, 2013, 01:43:31 PM
Good guys tip toe out of town with a 42-7 win. 

Two good-looking choices right there...I could live with either of those scores. :D

PS - Did I miss something or what does DTKAS mean?

Quote from: fulbakdad on October 18, 2013, 01:36:03 PM
Hosts offended.

:)

The Carroll offense was totally non effective when I watched them at Lake Forest.  Most of their yards were longer distance desperation throws from the qb.  Williams was held to 63 yards (one run of 43 on a cutback break free run was 2/3rds of that).  Didn't see them ever get out of second gear all day. 

IC is big, strong and fast.  Bates is the best QB in the league IMHO.  Just not gonna happen.

You wanna crown 'em, then crown 'em! ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 18, 2013, 03:14:30 PM
Week 7 Games
Cornell @ Knox - CC
Illinois C. @ Beloit - IC
Monmouth @ Lake Forest - MC
Ripon @ Grinnell - RC
St. Norbert @ Lawrence - SNC

I know I'm biased, but the MC/LFC game appears to be the most competitive on this week's schedule.  I wouldn't be totally surprised to see Knox give Cornell a bit of a game though.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
DTKAS = Drink the Kood Aid Special. There was a poll about it a few weeks back. DTKAS 1, whatever the other option was 0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 18, 2013, 04:48:20 PM
That reminds me. Any word on a Pat Coleman sighting for the game ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 19, 2013, 07:22:57 AM
Scottie, there will be no tip toeing allowed.  The LFC Defense has been instructed to punish any offenders!

;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2013, 01:36:11 PM
Yep, I'm here.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2013, 01:56:50 PM
If I would've known ahead of time that the guru was making an appearance for sure, I might've considered making the drive up to the trees today.  Hope the Fighting Scots put on a good show for you PC! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 02:04:56 PM
Breezy and cool at the Banta Bowl...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 02:26:11 PM
0-0 after one at Lawrence
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 02:29:24 PM
Lawrence leads SNC 6-0 with 13:09 left in second quarter.

SNC has missed a goal and not been very effective on either side f the ball
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2013, 02:36:33 PM
End of 1st quarter
Lake Forest 3, Monmouth 0

Defensive struggle so far.  LFC points came after an MC interception in their own end of the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 02:46:30 PM
42yrd touchdown pass for SNC. 7-6 Knights with 5:09 left in second
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
Halftime
Lake Forest 10, Monmouth 0

Another interception on the MC side of the field leads to a LFC touchdown near the end of the half.  On a side note, will someone please tell the webcast announcer that it's pronounced Mon-mouth...not Man-mouth.  There is no letter "a" present in Monmouth...thanks. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
SNC scores on opening drive of second half. Aided by dumb LU pass interference penalty in the endzone on a 3rd and 11 pass the receiver wasn't getting to. 14-6 SNC with 11;01 in the third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
End of 3rd quarter
Lake Forest 10, Monmouth 7

This time an LFC interception led to an MC touchdown.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 03:52:56 PM
SNC up 14-6 after 3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 04:14:15 PM
SNC still up just 8 with 4:29 left.  SNC ball
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 04:20:05 PM
SNC 30 yard FG makes it 17-6 with 2:22 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 04:24:58 PM
SNC int seals the win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2013, 04:30:09 PM
Final
Lake Forest 17, Monmouth 14

LFC scored with a little over 3 minutes left to go up 10, MC drove and scored with 35 seconds left to get back within 3, but LFC recovered the onside kick and finished it up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Logged in late for the LFC vs. Manamyth game.  (Note: scottie needs to craft an epic post for ALL webcast staffs.  EEEESH!)

Congrats, F-Dad.  It's fair to say that a Pat presence and no scottiesighting (tm) is a solid -21 advantage to LFC.  Add zero MavMoments (tm pending) and that pushes the line to -28, at least.  Reloading isn't always easy, and the Good Guys will be back. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2013, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 19, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Logged in late for the LFC vs. Manamyth game.  (Note: scottie needs to craft an epic post for ALL webcast staffs.  EEEESH!)

Congrats, F-Dad.  It's fair to say that a Pat presence and no scottiesighting (tm) is a solid -21 advantage to LFC.  Add zero MavMoments (tm pending) and that pushes the line to -28, at least.  Reloading isn't always easy, and the Good Guys will be back.

Manamyth--yes, it was pronounced somewhere close to that all game long...not just in the late stages when you started watching, scottie.

MavMoments--I like it!  Let me know when the "tm" is official. :)  The Fighting Scots 4 losses this season have come by a combined 15 points...plenty of talent there and it's clear they will be back, just gotta figure out how to win the close ones.  Not looking like a playoff season this year, but hopefully MC can learn some lessons from taking some lumps over the last couple seasons and maybe pay dividends next year for the Good Guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Ripon ties Grinnell in the last minute to send it to OT.

Grinnell misses the FG, Ripon gets a FG. Ripon wins 33-27.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 19, 2013, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Ripon ties Grinnell in the last minute to send it to OT.

Grinnell misses the FG, Ripon gets a FG. Ripon wins 33-27.

Correction, Grinnell misses FG, Ripon scores a TD to win. Great game. Ripon drives to score with under a minute, kicks a suprise onside kick and recovers to go for the W.  Unable to score puts them in OT... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 20, 2013, 12:11:40 PM
17-14 should have been more like 45-42. This goes out to both teams. You can't establish the running game when the other defense is waiting on it. 1. Pump fake and go to your secondary receiver who is 20 yards away from the nearest defender 2. When there isn't a deep safety in the middle, audible to a post or a slant. Either way you walk into the end zone.

Had fun and got to see some old friends and made new ones. Near miss twice on Pat Coleman. Missed by 5 minutes during the pre-game tailgating, then came within about 30 feet of him during the game but he disappeared. Must have magic powers.

Not sure if the win was bigger or the fact that some of the LFC players got to meet me after the game. Since I left my hat at my friends house it seems I will be back for the regular season finale.

Since I knew people on both sides I was a neutral observer and was happy to see a good game; albeit a little low scoring for my taste.

Fashion advice. Ladies, I don't care what you paid for all those boots they look ridiculous.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 21, 2013, 09:47:59 AM
Good day in the Forest on Saturday. 

First, it was fun actually meeting and talking to Pat.  Glad you came, hope you enjoyed your stay.  I for one am appreciative of what you do here with the site.  I may not always go with your side of the story....LOL,,,but the service you do for the players and fans FOR FREE, is tremendous.

Second I was also lucky to meet the infamous Roop! And of course his much better half, Mrs. Roop.  Glad you guys got to get together with your former USMC buddy, Alex's uncle.  Sorry we disappointed and ruined your betting card and pulled off a win.

The biggest part of the day was seeing Lake Forest bounce back after the throttling they took the week before.  I was anticipating the loss to IC the week before, but not to that extent.  The Offense had just been in 1st gear for too long.  Something they shook just enough this week to get the win.

It was good to see the qb Lewis start to run the ball a little.  Prior to this, there was just no fake in the Read/Option that LFC had been running.  When he tucked the ball in the first time, I think every defender that Monmouth had was searching the field to see who had the ball.  There was just no way the QB had it, lol.  The couple keepers and the couple passes Priestley completed out of the Wildcat was just enough to keep the Monmouth defenders from keying on what had just become the obvious prior to this game.  If they keep it up and get better, it will only help everything else they are trying later in the season.

Defense had another good game.  Kept Yocum, who had been averaging around 150 yards per game, to under 50.  Defensive line did a good job of keeping the O-line off the Linebackers.  The two inside LB's for LFC had 22 tackles between them.  I believe they had 3 sacks and forced 3 interceptions.

Now off to Cornell next week.

PS-Scottie, I will be the first to acknowledge that the Lake Forest QB slid once and tip toed out of bounds once.  For that, he will be appearing before the King of the Forest for just punishment sometime this afternoon!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2013, 12:08:44 PM
Turns out the old Gunny was stationed where I was at the same time. Didn't know each other then but probably crossed paths at the PX. Perhaps if I take Dr. Brown and the DeLorean out I will know him in 1984.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 21, 2013, 03:41:45 PM
scottie, I'll second a MavMoment.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 21, 2013, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: The Roop on October 21, 2013, 03:41:45 PM
scottie, I'll second a MavMoment.

Excellent!  Approval from an esteemed member of the panel! :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2013, 11:14:44 AM
F-Dad:  Did you say The Roop's "much better half"????  Using his Tom Selleck-like features as a basis for comparison, I can only assume that "Loni Anderson" must have made an appearance in the LF.  If that's the case, then I can totally understand why both teams were struggling....one eye on the field and one eye in the stands.   ;D  I just wish LFC would have struggled a bit more than the Good Guys. 

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 22, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Amber from February on the Luxor "Fantasy" calendar is Mrs. The Roops celebrity look-a-like. Not Loni Anderson.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2013, 04:24:59 PM
That was my next guess, The Roop.  The two of you take the expression "model Americans" to an entirely different level!   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 22, 2013, 04:48:58 PM
scottie, since your next guess always seems to be right; buy two Powerball tickets in the future.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 23, 2013, 08:55:10 AM
Obvoiusly, I've already done that. I'm scottie!   My body-double is that motorcycle-insurance-commercial guy that has money constantly flying off of his person.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2013, 09:06:06 AM
That was my next guess. LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 23, 2013, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 22, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Amber from February on the Luxor "Fantasy" calendar is Mrs. The Roops celebrity look-a-like. Not Loni Anderson.

Regardless of what this conversation is, THANK YOU for making me search "Luxor Fantasy"  That just made my morning...  Keep up the good work!!! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 23, 2013, 01:43:21 PM
I'll submit a translation so nobody else gets confused. Luxor is the pyramid shaped hotel in Vegas and Fantasy is one of the shows they have there. They also sell calendars.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 25, 2013, 03:15:30 PM
Week 8 Games
Beloit @ Ripon - RC
Carroll @ Grinnell - CU
Lake Forest @ Cornell - CC
Knox @ Illinois C. - IC
Lawrence @ Monmouth - MC

Lake Forest/Cornell looks like the best match-up for this weekend, whoever comes up short in that one will have 2 losses in MWC play and is basically out of the championship picture at this point in the season.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2013, 02:10:17 PM
Lake Forest picks off Flores early and scores on a pass play to Peters on the next play.  Up 7-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
Cornell intercepts on next possession and responds with. A field goal.  7-3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
End of first quarter
Monmouth 7, Lawrence 0

Trey Yocum scored on an early TD run.  Freshman Tanner Matlick got the start at QB for the Fighting Scots today.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2013, 03:02:07 PM
Halftime
Monmouth 21, Lawrence 0

Yocum with a pair of TD runs in the second quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2013, 03:06:55 PM
At the end if the half still 7-3 Lake Forest on top of Cornell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
End of third quarter
Monmouth 31, Lawrence 0

Early FG in the third quarter and Yocum has his fourth TD run of the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
lake Forest picks off Flores and sets up a fieldgoal.  On the first play after the kickoff, Flores fumbled and Lake Forest returns it for a td!  lFC now up 17-3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2013, 04:03:26 PM
Lake Forest in a very uncomfortable position of leading by more than 3 points..  End of the third qtr.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 26, 2013, 04:22:28 PM
Final
Monmouth 31, Lawrence 7

Vikings get a TD pass in the fourth quarter, not much else going on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2013, 04:29:10 PM
Cornell drives and scores.  17-10 under 4 left.  Worst camera work ever!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Lake Forest intercepts in the end zone to secure the win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2013, 10:44:32 AM
How do you only get 4 first downs in a game, and score 17 and win?

Welcome to Lake Forest Football this year....

Watched the game yesterday on the web.  Got to say one thing before talking about the play.  To the Camera guy.  Go find something else to do on Saturday.  There are families from all over the US that watch the games on Saturday via the web because the players in the MWC are from all over.  To sit and watch a game where the camera is bounced all over the place, left facing the end zone while plays are being narrated is very frustrating.  I know you probably aren't getting paid or if you are it's not a lot, but yesterdays camera work was horrible.  To the Announcers, good job.  the lead guy was obviously sick, but kept with the game, was pretty knowledgeable and did a good job.  I for one appreciate what you did.

Now for the game, still scratching my head.  Lake Forest Defense won this game.  They forced 7 turnovers, scored on a fumble recovery, and set up a field goal with another.  Front 7 did another outstanding job.

But the Offense never got out of the starters box.  Only 4 first downs.....  Not sure what to say.  I know that it's old school football thinking that Defense wins games, but the Offense has to be able to stay on the field for a little bit for that to work.

Well, on to Ripon and the triple option.  My favorite offense. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2013, 03:17:46 PM
F-Dad:  Did the Cornell announcers refer to your opponent last week as "Manamyth"?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2013, 05:07:45 PM
No Scottie, I believe they called it the University of Tanney.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2013, 08:18:53 PM
My point being that all of the webcasts are bad.  ALL OF THE WEBCASTS (that I have seen) ARE BAD!!! I'm still not sure if they are under the direction of the MWC or the individual schools, but this is something that needs to be drastically improved.  There is probably a 20-point plan needed to make the webcast watchable, and I'm not ready to put that together at the moment, but I hope the MWC/schools will take this responsibility more seriously. 

p.s  The Scots began "tanning" opponents again this weekend with a new starting QB, frosh Tanner Matlick.  As Billy Madison once said, "Now you're all in big, big trouble!"   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 27, 2013, 11:42:44 PM
Ist der Wunder-Kinderschmerz oder sind die guten Kerle, die gerade im nächsten Jahr achten ??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on October 28, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 27, 2013, 08:18:53 PM
My point being that all of the webcasts are bad.  ALL OF THE WEBCASTS (that I have seen) ARE BAD!!! I'm still not sure if they are under the direction of the MWC or the individual schools, but this is something that needs to be drastically improved.  There is probably a 20-point plan needed to make the webcast watchable, and I'm not ready to put that together at the moment, but I hope the MWC/schools will take this responsibility more seriously. 

I take umbrage at that. Our football games are broadcast in HD and our long time play-by-play man does the broadcasts.  I think we do a pretty good job up here, but maybe the rain delay chased you away.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 28, 2013, 01:53:39 PM
I didn't get a harumph outta that guy
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
I didn't watch the SNC game, sid, so your production falls squarely within my parenthetical disclaimer.  :)  Thank you for putting some time and effort into the webcast.  Perhaps you could offer to hold a conference to help the others do a much better job.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on October 28, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 28, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
I didn't watch the SNC game, sid, so your production falls squarely within my parenthetical disclaimer.  :)  Thank you for putting some tiem and effort into the webcast.  Perhaps you could offer to hold a conference to help the others do a much better job.....

Just sticking up for our guys.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 28, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
The SNC cast is good. Tim does a very good job on the pbp. Dick Knapinski also does a very good job - with much more frustrating material - for Lawrence.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 29, 2013, 07:48:25 AM
A fluid video head will eliminate camera bounce. From personal experience I recommend one by Manfrotto in their Pro Series. As for commentary, pair up two people that don't like each other and there won't be as much unnecessary chatter. Or in Beloits case, just have one person do it. Not sure who she is but she's good. Might be the AD as she sounds a little older than most students.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 30, 2013, 03:15:11 PM
When they're good, they're usually pretty good all-around...but when they're bad, look out because it's going to be a brutal Saturday afternoon on the eyes and ears!

On another note, the new website design looks great!  Good work PC! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2013, 12:07:47 AM
The World Series is over and Tim McCarver is retiring. Thank God.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2013, 05:39:11 AM
Some congrats out to a couple Lake Forest players.  Kudo's to Jon Gurchak the Lake Forest punter, field goal kicker, kicker extraordinaire for being named the MWC Special Teams Player of the week.  And also on the Midwest Player of the Week honor roll was DB Ed Dobernig who was named Midwest Defensive Player of the week. 

Dobernig and LB John Preston (fulbakson) were also named to the D3football Team of the Week.

All the above for the strong defensive and special teams play that won last Saturday's game against Cornell.  All 3 of the Foresters scores were either set up or scored by the defense.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2013, 05:40:21 AM
And of course,

RED SOX WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Had to get that in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on October 31, 2013, 08:54:40 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 31, 2013, 05:39:11 AM
Some congrats out to a couple Lake Forest players.  Kudo's to Jon Gurchak the Lake Forest punter, field goal kicker, kicker extraordinaire for being named the MWC Special Teams Player of the week.  And also on the Midwest Player of the Week honor roll was DB Ed Dobernig who was named Midwest Defensive Player of the week. 

Dobernig and LB John Preston (fulbakson) were also named to the D3football Team of the Week.

All the above for the strong defensive and special teams play that won last Saturday's game against Cornell.  All 3 of the Foresters scores were either set up or scored by the defense.

Big game this weekend... I think the LFC vs RC game is the GOW....  You going to make the trip?   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2013, 10:38:59 AM
Quote from: The Roop on October 29, 2013, 07:48:25 AM
A fluid video head will eliminate camera bounce. From personal experience I recommend one by Manfrotto in their Pro Series. As for commentary, pair up two people that don't like each other and there won't be as much unnecessary chatter. Or in Beloits case, just have one person do it. Not sure who she is but she's good. Might be the AD as she sounds a little older than most students.

Dear The Roop:  Please share no additional information about your personal experiences with video cameras. 

Thank you!

The World   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on October 31, 2013, 10:49:34 AM
Touche' scottie but only you would take it in that context. LOL. My "experience" comes from doing the video for my former step-sons soccer games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on October 31, 2013, 10:41:35 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 31, 2013, 05:40:21 AM
And of course,

RED SOX CUBS WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had to get that in.
It will happen one of these years!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2013, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: wartknight on October 31, 2013, 10:41:35 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 31, 2013, 05:40:21 AM
And of course,

RED SOX CUBS WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had to get that in.
It will happen one of these years!!

Or at least one of these centuries. :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2013, 05:55:46 AM
Redhawk,

No, won't be out this weekend.  We fly out for the home games.  That's expensive enough coming from New Hampshire! lol.

The Lake Forest Offense will need to achieve more than 4 first downs against the Option or it will be a very long day.....

Go Foresters!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 01, 2013, 09:20:35 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 01, 2013, 05:55:46 AM
Redhawk,

No, won't be out this weekend.  We fly out for the home games.  That's expensive enough coming from New Hampshire! lol.

The Lake Forest Offense will need to achieve more than 4 first downs against the Option or it will be a very long day.....

Go Foresters!

Here is my prediction for the game, the deciding factor for the "W" is going to be who comes to play more and who wants it more between Ripon's Option and LFC's Defense.  That is where the battle will be decided tomorrow.  LFC has a strong defense and RC's offense is tricky to stop.  So it's going to come down to that.  I'm excited to be there tomorrow to watch this battle live.  I think the LFC O and RC D will be quick series..... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2013, 08:59:09 PM
I actually think it falls on the LFC Offense.  If they show up and put in a reasonable performance Lake Forest wins. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2013, 09:25:37 PM
F-dad: Do you prefer the Original Recipe offense or the Extra Tasty Crispy offense?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
I think the secret recipe for that defense contains 11 backs and backers.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 01, 2013, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 01, 2013, 09:25:37 PM
F-dad: Do you prefer the Original Recipe offense or the Extra Tasty Crispy offense?

Extra Tasty Crispy all the way baby!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 01, 2013, 11:16:33 PM
Week 9 Games
Beloit @ St. Norbert - SNC
Cornell @ Carroll - CU
Grinnell @ Lawrence - GC
Lake Forest @ Ripon - RC
Monmouth @ Illinois C. - MC

Lake Forest/Ripon definitely looks like the best game on the schedule.  Although, I think Cornell/Carroll could turn out to be a good one and Grinnell/Lawrence could be close also...but for all the wrong reasons.  Hope to see the Good Guys pull one out in Jacksonville too!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2013, 01:20:02 PM
from the main page's Around The Region column:

Illinois College and St. Norbert – by quarters

Things are a little more complicated in the Midwest Conference because newly minted No. 24-ranked Illinois College (7-0, 6-0 in MWC play) and St. Norbert (6-1, 6-0) will not play each other this season. Since head-to-head competition is the first tiebreaker, the MWC will automatically move to the second tiebreaker, which is how many quarters the team has led in conference games.

Now that can make for some interesting scoreboard watching. According the MWC, Illinois College leads in that category over St. Norbert 23-17 going into the final three games of the season. The Blueboys had to come back from a 21-20 deficit last year to beat Knox 48-24, so the lead after each quarter and halftime has added meaning.

Now, if St. Norbert happens to catch up with Illinois College over the next 12 quarters of play, the third tiebreaker will be a coin flip to see who will represent the Midwest Conference in the playoffs.

Before Illinois College can get too comfortable, they still have to play Monmouth this week, which lost close games to St. Norbert (22-14) and one-loss Lake Forest (17-14) this season. The Blueboys will have to close against Carroll, a team that beat that handily beat them 49-14 in the season finale last season, so stay tuned.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2013, 02:26:10 PM
SNC leads Beloit 14-0, with 5;19 left in the first

SNC taking advantage of Bucs miscues... a BC punt went 15 yards to their own 20 - short field converted for TD. BC fumbled on an option play, SNC drives for TD

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2013, 02:30:38 PM
 Nothing going right for BC... SNC gets a nice one-handed interception at its own 45. On first play, SNC completes long pass to the 5... SNC player fumbles but SNC recovers in the endzone... 21-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2013, 05:20:00 PM
SNC beats Beloit

Grinnell beats Lawrence

Ripon beats Lake Forest

IC wins
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 02, 2013, 08:41:27 PM
Update on the quarters led situation.  By my unofficial count, Illinois College has led 27 (out of a potential 28) quarters.  Knox led after the 2nd quarter in Week 8. 

St. Norbert has led 21 quarters.  They trailed in 3 quarters to both Monmouth and Cornell and were tied after 1 quarter with Lawrence.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 03, 2013, 01:14:16 AM
So now we are all officially Cornell and Carroll fans.

Lake Forest too....... :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Well Roop, I'm glad you're pulling for us.  I didn't get to see all of the game yesterday, only the first half and then bits and pieces of the second.  It's tough having two sons playing football at the same time.  From what I saw, it was a game LFC shouldn't have lost......That's not a slight to Ripon, you played a good game.  But Lake Forest just couldn't keep going in the second half.  There was a blink of hope in the first half, but that died in the second.....

First off, hats off to the camera work and announcers of the Ripon game yesterday.  The best I've seen in the three years of watching MWC.  The only problem was the constant buffering during the second half.  I wish I was a computer nerd who could figure this out, but it seems to be much worse this year compared with the last two.


The Ripon offense did a good job of grinding yesterday.  I like the option because it just keeps coming at you.  I remember talking to a Defensive Coordinator at Ithaca who said he hated playing Springfield College.  Because you spend all year on your defense and then have one week to get ready for the option, then turn around and get things straight again. 


I guess it's kind of late for changes, but something's got to happen if we are going to see a different outcome in two weeks.

Two weeks to prepare for SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2013, 11:22:55 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 03, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Well Roop, I'm glad you're pulling for us.  I didn't get to see all of the game yesterday, only the first half and then bits and pieces of the second.  It's tough having two sons playing football at the same time.  From what I saw, it was a game LFC shouldn't have lost......That's not a slight to Ripon, you played a good game.  But Lake Forest just couldn't keep going in the second half.  There was a blink of hope in the first half, but that died in the second.....


Perhaps the same could be said about the Good Guys vs. LFC a few weeks ago.   :o   (Not this past week against the Blue Guys, unfortunately....)   >:(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 03, 2013, 10:28:22 AM

First off, hats off to the camera work and announcers of the Ripon game yesterday.  The best I've seen in the three years of watching MWC.  The only problem was the constant buffering during the second half.  I wish I was a computer nerd who could figure this out, but it seems to be much worse this year compared with the last two.


Hey, once scottie starts making his concerns known, EVERYBODY begins to straighten up!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 05, 2013, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 03, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Well Roop, I'm glad you're pulling for us.  I didn't get to see all of the game yesterday, only the first half and then bits and pieces of the second.  It's tough having two sons playing football at the same time.  From what I saw, it was a game LFC shouldn't have lost......That's not a slight to Ripon, you played a good game.  But Lake Forest just couldn't keep going in the second half.  There was a blink of hope in the first half, but that died in the second.....

First off, hats off to the camera work and announcers of the Ripon game yesterday.  The best I've seen in the three years of watching MWC.  The only problem was the constant buffering during the second half.  I wish I was a computer nerd who could figure this out, but it seems to be much worse this year compared with the last two.


The Ripon offense did a good job of grinding yesterday.  I like the option because it just keeps coming at you.  I remember talking to a Defensive Coordinator at Ithaca who said he hated playing Springfield College.  Because you spend all year on your defense and then have one week to get ready for the option, then turn around and get things straight again. 


I guess it's kind of late for changes, but something's got to happen if we are going to see a different outcome in two weeks.

Two weeks to prepare for SNC

I too watched it via computer.  saw all through the 3rd quarter, i started having issues during the 4th.  What a game.  When ripon was pinned at their 3 yard line and had to punt out of the end zone and it was returned for a TD, that is when I started to get worried.  But the RC D did a great job holding the LFC to only 1 score. And then the O started to click and take up time.  Their first half stats vs. their 2nd half stats are crazy.. I believe Ripon is the first team this year to put that many points up against LFC. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 05, 2013, 05:18:13 PM
Perhaps the same could be said about the Good Guys vs. LFC a few weeks ago.   :o   (Not this past week against the Blue Guys, unfortunately....)   >:(
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scottie, I was neutral for the Lake Forest game and I wanted the Good Guys to beat IC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2013, 07:00:43 PM
You're a model American, The Roop!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 06, 2013, 10:06:04 AM
Maybe I'm just overthinking this, but I have a question in regards to the "quarters led" statistic.  Let's say hypothetically IC jumps out to a 14-0 lead after the first quarter this weekend, but gets outscored 13-0 in the second quarter.  So, the halftime score is 14-13 IC.  Even though they got outscored the second quarter, it is still a "quarter led" since they are taking the lead into halftime, correct?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on November 06, 2013, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: wnc52 on November 06, 2013, 10:06:04 AM
Maybe I'm just overthinking this, but I have a question in regards to the "quarters led" statistic.  Let's say hypothetically IC jumps out to a 14-0 lead after the first quarter this weekend, but gets outscored 13-0 in the second quarter.  So, the halftime score is 14-13 IC.  Even though they got outscored the second quarter, it is still a "quarter led" since they are taking the lead into halftime, correct?

I believe so, yes.  It's not the number of quarters in which you "outscore" the opponent, but the number of quarters in which you're holding the game lead.  It's done to encourage good sportsmanship in blowouts (i.e. no need to run up the score with a big lead in the 4th because you get the same credit for winning by 21 that you do for winning by 35; for an example of why this matters, the CCIW has potential for a three-way tie this year between Wheaton, North Central, and Illinois Wesleyan.  Last week North Central was still passing late in the game with a 39-17 lead because if they are upset by Wheaton next week, the tiebreaker comes down to score margin in games between the three teams, so NCC wanted to score as many points as possible to make sure that Wheaton has to win by at least X points to get the AQ) and prevent wacky scenarios like a team not kicking a PAT after a winning score in overtime (this decided an ASC title on a margin-of-victory tiebreaker in 2003).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 06, 2013, 02:01:09 PM
Illinois College is 8th in this week's West Region rankings.

Redhawk Sighting -- don't forget that IC put 55 up on the Foresters a few weeks ago.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 06, 2013, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on November 06, 2013, 02:01:09 PM
Illinois College is 8th in this week's West Region rankings.

Redhawk Sighting -- don't forget that IC put 55 up on the Foresters a few weeks ago.  :)

My bad...  2nd team this year..... 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
This doesn't surprise me one bit....  Being 7-0 is pretty good.  BUT, being 8-0 with a win over Mount Monmouth will get the voters attention!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 06, 2013, 04:14:36 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 06, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
This doesn't surprise me one bit....  Being 7-0 is pretty good.  BUT, being 8-0 with a win over Mount Monmouth will get the voters attention!   ;)

Scottie -- what's your early read on your freshman QB?  I watched him play last year in the 2 or 3A state title game.  Came away very impressed.  Is he the next great Monmouth QB?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2013, 04:31:22 PM
T-Pride:  I'm not in God's Country these days so I can only go on the little I've read vs. direct observation.  However, since he has the letters "T-A-N-N" in his name, that goes a long way with me!  :) 

But seriously, I think he probably is the next big thing in the MC QB pipeline.  A big kid, decorated HS player, and a very nice recruiting pick-up for the Good Guys.  All things considered, the timing of "the switch" was probably appropriate.  I've been surprised at his early running ability so, if he can throw at all, he'll be quite the double-threat after more time as the feature QB under Coach Bell.  Obviously, too early to tell if he'll be a national POY candidate and professional prospect.  But we might know more by this time next year....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 08, 2013, 03:06:53 PM
Week 10 Games
Carroll @ Beloit - CU
Grinnell @ St. Norbert - SNC
Illinois C. @ Cornell - IC
Knox @ Lawrence - LU
Ripon @ Monmouth - MC

IC/Cornell looks like the best game this Saturday, with Ripon/Monmouth looking like a good match-up also.  Final home game for the MC seniors--make it a W!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2013, 01:47:17 PM
About 40 degrees and windy in De Pere. Wind pretty much going across field from sideline to sideline, maybe a bit to the south end zone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
Boockmeier with a 67yard TD run on the first at for SNC. 7-0 just like that
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 09, 2013, 02:12:40 PM
Cornell dominating IC on the ground right now.  Up 20-14.  However, IC just held Cornell on 4th and goal.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2013, 03:26:25 PM
Just clicked on the webcast and the Good Guys appear to be up 28-14 over RC at half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 09, 2013, 03:33:07 PM
IC down 8 with ball late in 4th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
SNC up 10-0 at end of turnover filled half

Go rams
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 09, 2013, 03:38:12 PM
IC scores and gets the 2 pt conversion.  All tied at 29 with 4 minutes to go in Mount Vernon.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 09, 2013, 03:49:51 PM
Cornell misses a 51 yard FG with 20 seconds left.  Going to overtime.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 09, 2013, 03:59:13 PM
Cornell blocks a FG and returns it for a score.  Cornell upsets IC in OT.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2013, 04:03:44 PM
Yeah Rams!

SNC up 17-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2013, 04:21:34 PM
The Good Guys add two more scores in the 3rd to go up 42-14.  Starting the 4th.

Mav: You called the correct GOW.  Congrats to Cornell. 

v
v
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v>>>>> FINAL: Good Guys 49-21.   Too early to say if they'll have anything left in the tank for their game on the MC East campus next weekend.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
SNC wins 23-0 for at least a share of the title.

Congrats to Lawrence for getting its first win of the season, beating Knox on a Barthelmess to Barthelmess TD pass to end the game
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2013, 10:52:05 PM
KC and LU must have been a barf'n mess, alright!  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 10, 2013, 10:35:07 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 09, 2013, 04:21:34 PM
The Good Guys add two more scores in the 3rd to go up 42-14.  Starting the 4th.

Mav: You called the correct GOW.  Congrats to Cornell. 

v
v
v
v>>>>> FINAL: Good Guys 49-21.   Too early to say if they'll have anything left in the tank for their game on the MC East campus next weekend.   ;)

Even the blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. ;D

Quote from: scottie on November 09, 2013, 10:52:05 PM
KC and LU must have been a barf'n mess, alright!  :D

I figured that would end up being a close game, just for all the opposite reasons on why IC/Cornell looked like the GOW. :P

Looking forward to the final week of the regular season, there are certainly some good match-ups ahead of everyone...a couple games with conference championship implications, as well as a couple other games that are always good rivalries.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 10, 2013, 06:37:24 PM
Playoff picture -- St. Norbert is in with a win over Lake Forest.  If they lose, they still get the Pool A with an Illinois College loss at Carroll.  If IC wins and St Norbert loses, IC is likely in.  IC currently leads the quarters led tiebreaker 28-25 (by my count).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 10, 2013, 11:53:24 PM
Both teams are on the road, so it should be interesting. The difference being that IC is in a must win situation. SNC is not. Should they both lose, SNC gets the Pool A and IC stays home with 2 losses on the year; etc. I can't see a 2 loss MWC team making the playoffs. Should they both win, SNC gets the Pool A and IC will have to wait on the selection committee.

TitanPrides scenario is probably right. The non-conference debacle probably keeps SNC out of the field of 32.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 07:28:10 AM
Any Lake Forest fans this week?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 11, 2013, 09:41:31 AM
So this next comment has nothing to do with the out come of the MC RC game.  This comment to is to go with fulbakdad's comment..  The individual that was doing the talking during the MC game via the webcast needs to have a little more excitement.  He put me to sleep.  Have a great week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 11, 2013, 09:43:18 AM
Lots of Forester fans down in Jacksonville, fulbakdad.  Hoping your offense found a little magic during the bye week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
Should be an interesting game.  There's no love lost between these two teams. 

There are a lot of seniors with memories from the past couple years....I'm sure they'll want to go out with a bang.

Looking forward to seeing this one....

;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
The Top 25 voting once again baffles me.  How does Ill Col still get 17 votes for top 25, but is really now the dark horse in even getting to the play offs?

I guess it's the same as how they kept voting for NESCAC teams.  Actually thought they would have 3 NESCAC teams just under the top 25 since they ended in a 3 way tie! LOL.

Yes Pat, that was for you.

:D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 11, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
Don't confuse the Top 25 with the regional rankings.  It's not relevant and has no bearing on the regional rankings.  Assuming St Norberts wins the conference championship and receives the Pool A automatic bid Illinois College becomes a dark horse because the odds of the MWC getting two teams into the postseason are not good.  Illinois College was ranked 8th in the first regional rankings.  Without an automatic bid there are just too many teams with better criteria for them to have a lock on one of only five available Pool C at large bids.  Illinois College needs Saint Norberts opponent to beat them so they can receive the conference's automatic bid if they want to play in two weeks.  Good luck to them.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 01:07:10 PM
There was no confusion.  I have been complaining on the Trinity Conn votes for the past couple years. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2013, 01:43:08 PM
Quote from: Redhawk Sighting on November 11, 2013, 09:41:31 AM
So this next comment has nothing to do with the out come of the MC RC game.  This comment to is to go with fulbakdad's comment..  The individual that was doing the talking during the MC game via the webcast needs to have a little more excitement.  He put me to sleep.  Have a great week.

I'm convinced he brodcasts from an window view in the library and has to whisper.  Sounded like he had the sniffles as well.  EESH!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 11, 2013, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 01:07:10 PM
There was no confusion.  I have been complaining on the Trinity Conn votes for the past couple years. 

My bad.  I misunderstood the nature of your complaint.  I thought you were complaining that Illinois College is a dark horse for a playoff bid despite receiving votes in the top 25 rankings. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
No, I don't get why they still got 17 votes for the top 25, when in reality, SNC is ahead of them in our league. 

That was in line with what I was complaining about with the Trinity/NESCAC votes for the top 25.  There is always the talk of if your team wants to get ranked in the top 25, they have to play tough out of conference teams, someone you play needs to win a game or two in the playoffs, and then smoke your conference.  NESCAC teams only play each other, no OOC games, and never play anyone in the playoffs.  Yet if you look back the past couple years, Trinity has been hovering just below the #25 spot.  So why did those voters keep voting for them?  I would even further say, they only play an 8 game schedule (less injuries, less grind) and the top teams have 3-4 weeks off against much weaker opponents!

Just my rant.

anyways, Go LFC!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2013, 03:29:37 PM
Their recent victory over the Good Guys is still somewhat fresh in the minds of the voters. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2013, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
The Top 25 voting once again baffles me.  How does Ill Col still get 17 votes for top 25, but is really now the dark horse in even getting to the play offs?

This is a non-sequitir. The two are not related.

Similarly, next week, the UWO/UWP loser will likely have no shot whatsoever of making the playoffs but will be somewhere around 15-17 in the poll. Just because the NCAA won't take them doesn't mean they're not one of the best teams in the country.

Illinois College is receiving the 30th-most votes in the poll. In no year would that be good enough to get an at-large bid if the NCAA followed our rankings. But the purpose of our poll is not and has never been to predict who will make the playoffs, rather, how they will perform when they get there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 11, 2013, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 07:28:10 AM
Any Lake Forest fans this week?

Now that we have a Subaru, there could be a Rooppearance (™ pending) in Lake Forest this weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2013, 05:11:45 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 11, 2013, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 07:28:10 AM
Any Lake Forest fans this week?

Now that we have a Subaru, there could be a Rooppearance (™ pending) in Lake Forest this weekend.

"Applaud"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2013, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2013, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2013, 11:39:48 AM
The Top 25 voting once again baffles me.  How does Ill Col still get 17 votes for top 25, but is really now the dark horse in even getting to the play offs?


Similarly, next week, the UWO/UWP loser will likely have no shot whatsoever of making the playoffs but will be somewhere around 15-17 in the poll. Just because the NCAA won't take them doesn't mean they're not one of the best teams in the country.



And I have no doubt that either loser of that game is still better than SNC. It's unfortunate for the WIAC in that regard. But it's important to remember that this is NOT a tournament of the best 32 teams. Rather, it is a national tournament of conference champions with a few other teams tossed in to round out the field. And that's how it is across the board, of course... Helps conferences such as the MWC. Doesn't help the WIAC...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 12, 2013, 03:53:41 PM
In retrospect the St Norbert loss to John Carroll in week 1 doesn't look as bad as it might be viewed by other conferences .  JC has scored more than 41 pts on 5 other teams  ---including Heidelberg in the OAC

See how they fare against the Mount this week.

Hoping that the Knight are victorious this weekend and continue the traditional dominance of St Norbert's and Monmouth in the MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 12, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
No Rooppearance™ Saturday unless Lake Forest moves the game to an 8:00PM kickoff. Work has interfered.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 13, 2013, 12:03:12 PM
Gr Boob,

Only half right on the dominance so far.....only one of those teams has been dominant the last two years.

Roop, sorry we're gonna miss ya. Senior day is a good tailgate!  And I know you like that!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
BREAKING NEWS!!  ESPN will take a look at the Battle for the Bronze Turkey this Saturday as part of their look at rivalry games, particularly Division III rivalries. The segment is scheduled to air between 9-9:15 Central Time Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 14, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
BREAKING NEWS!!  ESPN will take a look at the Battle for the Bronze Turkey this Saturday as part of their look at rivalry games, particularly Division III rivalries. The segment is scheduled to air between 9-9:15 Central Time Saturday morning.

I had heard something about that, scottie.  Pretty neat for both schools and Division III as a whole.  So it will be on during the College Gameday show, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2013, 01:56:17 PM
Evidently, Mav.  I can hear Chris Fowler singing Monmouth's praises right now.......   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 14, 2013, 02:30:36 PM
Dad,

Accept the compliment about the Knights...... and recognize that the Scots are reloading and will return to dominance next year and onward.

Oh ....... just remembered the Scots beat the Knights in 2012

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 14, 2013, 05:31:47 PM
More an observation than a compliment... And isn't everyone reloading?  I think the current state of the MWC is of much more parity than in yesteryear.  Two years in a row it's been a 5-6 team race.  If it was a balanced schedule and SNC played Illinois Col it might have been a down to the last game year again....  We'll see what happens next year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2013, 05:36:11 PM
Way to stir it up again, F-Dad!   ;D

With apologies to our friends in Jacksonville, I'd say that G-Boob properly identified the real blue bloods of the MWC.   8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 14, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
Fight, fight, fight for Washington St.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 15, 2013, 02:20:54 AM
Scottie, Thank you For straightening out the Dad
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 15, 2013, 05:32:37 AM
Scottie,

Not trying to stir up anything.  Just stating a point.  When I started watching the MWC 3 to 4 years ago, there seemed to be only 2 or 3 teams that were competing.  At that time it was "All hail Tanney"! lol.

Things have changed.  LFC went from the bottom to hovering near or at the top.  Carroll, Cornell, Ripon have been right there with them.  All competing with the mighty three, IC, Monmouth and SNC.

It's a much tighter league now.  Which I think is a good thing.

When Boob comes out and says, the continued dominance of SNC and Monmouth, it made me think.  More than half the LFC team has only seen wins against Monmouth and three years ago it was a shootout between Tanney and Scaffidi going down to the final couple minutes.

I'm on my way out to see the last game.  Another note, LFC is graduating the most seniors ever from the team.  That shows commitment and belief in the program.  They are being cheered by the largest freshman class ever.  I believe that shows we'll still be around after this years final bell.

I don't think I'd want to be a QB, RB, or Reciever tomorrow wearing green.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 15, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Safe travels, fulbakdad.  Bring back a win!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 15, 2013, 11:59:39 AM
LOL.... It feels dirty you rooting for us!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 15, 2013, 12:04:08 PM
Week 11 Games
Cornell @ Grinnell - CC
Illinois C. @ Carroll - CU
Lawrence @ Ripon - RC
Monmouth @ Knox - MC
St. Norbert @ Lake Forest - SNC

Looking like a real good slate of games to finish up the regular season with rivalry games and other games with playoff implications.  Been hearing about a rainy forecast in my area, so I'm hoping the weather decides to play nice and holds off until after the game...hope everyone has a good Saturday!  Turkey Bowl time--make it 15 straight!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 15, 2013, 12:57:01 PM
Lfc-snc.  LAKE Forest
Cornell-Grinnel. Cornell
Ill-Carroll  Ill Col
Lawrence Ripon  Lawrence
Monmouth Knox.  Monmouth

The lake Forest-Snc game was just moved up to noon for those interested.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: SNCOLDAD on November 15, 2013, 02:56:59 PM
 ;D Hi all you old timers, and the newbies. Believe it or not, I am still around even though my son graduated and played his last game in 2010. As far as who dominates the MWC in football? Come On Guys. Even in 2010 when parity was even stronger than it is today, who won conference???   Roop? You got this one.
Seriously though, concerning Saturday. SNC at LFC has got to be the game of the week and maybe the year. Nothing bad against Cornell as they have really made this years race interesting. LFC has come a long way. But not far enough to overcome the tradition of the Green Knights taking the victory ...... and sole ownership of conference champs once again.   ;)

Roop, Scottie, fulbakdad, and others, have a great weekend and enjoy the games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 15, 2013, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: SNCOLDAD on November 15, 2013, 02:56:59 PM
;D Hi all you old timers, and the newbies. Believe it or not, I am still around even though my son graduated and played his last game in 2010. As far as who dominates the MWC in football? Come On Guys. Even in 2010 when parity was even stronger than it is today, who won conference???   Roop? You got this one.
Seriously though, concerning Saturday. SNC at LFC has got to be the game of the week and maybe the year. Nothing bad against Cornell as they have really made this years race interesting. LFC has come a long way. But not far enough to overcome the tradition of the Green Knights taking the victory ...... and sole ownership of conference champs once again.   ;)

Roop, Scottie, fulbakdad, and others, have a great weekend and enjoy the games.

SNC DAD, Good to see you still hang around...even if you didn't give Mav a personal mention like The Roop, scottie, and fbdad. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2013, 04:37:04 PM
Don't worry, Mav.  He still puts the COLD in snCOLDad.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 15, 2013, 05:23:58 PM
I thought Global Warming was the crisis, yet scottie appears to be predicting an Ice Age. How are we to know what to think. My friend at work, Nguyen Pharm, says green energy is overrated anyway. Not sure if that was a SNC comment or a general statement about fossil fuels.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 07:19:11 AM
The SNC football team stayed in the hotel we are in.  Don't think for a minute a few fire alarms didn't run through my head!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 01:25:10 PM
1 left in the first.  LFC scores on a 70 pass.  Up 7-3.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
Pat Clark with a pick 6.  LFC up 14-3 6 min left in the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 16, 2013, 01:47:13 PM
Keep it going, Fulbakdad!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Lake forest up 21-3 at half...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on November 16, 2013, 02:08:54 PM
SNC loses and IC wins today, who gets Pool A bid?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 02:21:36 PM
IC gets the bid
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 02:45:01 PM
Following a rain delay in the 1st, IC leads Carroll 7-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
Lake Forest stops a 4th and 4.  Still 24-3 at the end of the 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 16, 2013, 03:16:34 PM
Only able to follow livestats, but looks like a thorough domination by the Foresters. Congrats on a another great season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 03:16:47 PM
LAKE Forest seals the deal.  Touchdown with 4:30 left in the game.  Now up 32-3!  LFC dominates today!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 03:26:59 PM
Final
SNC 3
LFC 31

rats...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 03:36:47 PM
Carroll has missed some opportunities and left at least 10 points on the field. IC 7 CU 6 at the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:07:43 PM
Carroll leads 13-7, 8 left in the third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 04:08:20 PM
Lamont Williams 55 yards up the middle to the house. CU 13 IC 7 mid 3rd.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 04:19:03 PM
CU recovers a fumble and goes up 16-7. They are still making it more difficult than it needs to be though. I believe that was the 3rd 1st and goal that they didn't find the end zone.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:23:36 PM
TD for IC. 16-14 pioneers
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:28:46 PM
Pios with long TD pass to end the third. 23-14 Carroll
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 04:29:54 PM
Now IC gets the wind for the 4th.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:39:33 PM
IC stopped on 4th and 2 at the CU 15. Pios ball
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 04:40:35 PM
That call made no sense, take the points when you are down two scores but I'm sure they loved it in De Pere.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:43:06 PM
Roop - I agree. Not that long of a FG. And then the play itself just had no chance - and few options for the IC qb.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:46:21 PM
Not sure either IC or SNC "deserve" to make the tournament the way they are playing right now. Getting offered up to Bethel, UWW or North central isn't all that appealing. I think with IC's offense they would stand a better chance.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:58:35 PM
Blueboys  take over at midfield, down 9 with about 3 to go
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 04:59:40 PM
TD pass for IC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 05:00:47 PM
Should have kicked the field goal, they'd be winning right now.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 05:00:50 PM
23-21 Carroll with 2:02 left. IC kicking off
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 05:01:55 PM
Carrol gets onside kick
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 05:05:06 PM
Beep beep beep... That's SNC backing into the playoffs

Thank you Carroll!

And how big is that non field goal ?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 16, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
Didn't get to see the IC game today, so can't really comment in detail.  Obviously a disappointing result.  Back to back years, IC goes into their Week 11 game against Carroll needing a win and help to get the Pool A bid.  Both years, the help has come, but IC hasn't taken care of their own business.  I remember posting after IC blitzed LFC that the remaining game which worried me most was the road game at Carroll.  Obviously, I should have been concerned about Cornell too, but the point stands.  Carroll has been a tough matchup for IC, and kudos to them for finishing the year strong both of the last two years.

Also, congrats to St. Norbert on the Pool A bid.  They are going to face an uphill battle next week, but here's hoping they represent the MWC well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 06:14:06 PM
I checked mileage and a John Carroll rematch isn't likely but with UW-Platteville sitting at 9-1, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Green Knights go there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 06:14:06 PM
I checked mileage and a John Carroll rematch isn't likely but with UW-Platteville sitting at 9-1, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Green Knights go there.

I fear regardless of where we go, we will end up playing bug to someone else's windshield. Objectively, this just isn't the strongest SNC team overall. But that's why we play the games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 16, 2013, 06:27:46 PM
Obviously, no one knows what the committee is going to do, but I think Platteville is in the range of a 3-5 seed, while St. Norbert is a 7 or 8.  I think it is more likely that St. Norbert gets sent to Bethel, Whitewater or North Central. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 16, 2013, 08:35:54 PM
Remember, the UMAC, they get a Pool A now I believe, so that is the team to face Bethel. I suppose we will know more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 16, 2013, 10:44:17 PM
d3football's projection has St. Norbert going to Platteville.  Good call, Roop.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 16, 2013, 11:01:30 PM
Roop is the man! Plus he's a former Marine...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 16, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2013, 05:05:06 PM
Beep beep beep... That's SNC backing into the playoffs

Thank you Carroll!

And how big is that non field goal ?

Seriously, the top two teams lose with a chance to clinch a playoff spot??? That's just plain crazy. Hopefully, SNC will re-focus this week and IC has no one to blame but themselves.  ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 10:16:26 AM
I don't think they backed into that playoff spot.  They were towed in behind a wrecker......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2013, 04:40:01 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 10:16:26 AM
I don't think they backed into that playoff spot.  They were towed in behind a wrecker......

And that must mean that Illinois College had all four tires stolen, the engine explode, seats ripped out and anything of value stripped off...  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 17, 2013, 04:41:54 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2013, 04:40:01 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 10:16:26 AM
I don't think they backed into that playoff spot.  They were towed in behind a wrecker......

And that must mean that Illinois College had all four tires stolen, the engine explode, seats ripped out and anything of value stripped off...  ;D

Yeah, that about sums it up! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 04:52:19 PM
Lol, yup!

If you think about it, The Lake Forest Seniors are the only ones of the three teams ending their careers on a high note!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 04:52:19 PM
Lol, yup!

If you think about it, The Lake Forest Seniors are the only ones of the three teams ending their careers on a high note!

Hmmm... Well, certainly they deserve props for the win yesterday. That said, SNC still won the conference outright, and still gets to play next week. LFC can't say that.

Even though SNC will face a daunting task next week somewhere, they made it the playoffs. If winning your last game is a moral victory you want (unless it's the Stagg Bowl, which no MWC team has sniffed), you can have it. I'll take SNC's fate this year instead, thank you.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
Welllllll.......

SNC won the conference losing badly to one of the teams that came in second, and didn't play one of the other second place teams due to the unbalanced schedule.  And If SNC played IC, I believe Bates would have lit you guys up with that everybody within 6 yards of the line of scrimmage defense.  I know, I know, if, should have, etc.  But there's an question in my mind.

Lake Forest beat a team they haven't beaten in 12 years.  They've won 16 games in the last two years.  You can't find that many wins for a LFC team in a two year span without going back prior to us fighting the bad guys in Germany in the big one.  THE FIRST BIG ONE, lol.

And LFC has the biggest recruiting class in their Freshman class ever.  Along with a very big Sophomore class in pads.  And if you were there, you saw that very large group of recruits at the game?  That's been at every home game this year.

So yeah, I'll take where they are at after yesterday.  A convincing win for the seniors and things looking up.

Just my opinion of course.

And SNC left the field yesterday banged up pretty bad.  I wish them well in the playoffs, but I believe it's going to be a tough practice week trying to get ready for a probable powerhouse opponent with a lot of skill guys in ice baths.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
SNC goes to Whitewater...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:09:40 PM
ouch...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2013, 06:12:22 PM
Something tells me Pat and the gang are going to be livid that Pac Lutheran made the field. Can't say I blame them though. That's a selection out of convenience for the committee.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2013, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
Welllllll.......

SNC won the conference losing badly to one of the teams that came in second, and didn't play one of the other second place teams due to the unbalanced schedule.  And If SNC played IC, I believe Bates would have lit you guys up with that everybody within 6 yards of the line of scrimmage defense.  I know, I know, if, should have, etc.  But there's an question in my mind.

Lake Forest beat a team they haven't beaten in 12 years.  They've won 16 games in the last two years.  You can't find that many wins for a LFC team in a two year span without going back prior to us fighting the bad guys in Germany in the big one.  THE FIRST BIG ONE, lol.

And LFC has the biggest recruiting class in their Freshman class ever.  Along with a very big Sophomore class in pads.  And if you were there, you saw that very large group of recruits at the game?  That's been at every home game this year.

So yeah, I'll take where they are at after yesterday.  A convincing win for the seniors and things looking up.

Just my opinion of course.

And SNC left the field yesterday banged up pretty bad.  I wish them well in the playoffs, but I believe it's going to be a tough practice week trying to get ready for a probable powerhouse opponent with a lot of skill guys in ice baths.....

And all of the things about LFC being on an upswing are well and good. I was responding to your post suggesting that because LFC won its last game that was a happier place than where SNC is. I happen to disagree.

I hold no illusions about about the relative strength of this year's Green Knights' team, as I have posted. No green & gold colored glasses in my posts. That said, SNC didn't make the schedule. SNC did a better job beating conference foes than anyone else. SNC gets to "hang a banner" that says conference champs - no one else. That's nothing to apologize for.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 17, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 17, 2013, 06:12:22 PM
Something tells me Pat and the gang are going to be livid that Pac Lutheran made the field. Can't say I blame them though. That's a selection out of convenience for the committee.

Pat and everyone else has had Pac Lutheran in for the last two weeks.  They were a no-brainer for a Pool C.  St. Johns Fisher was the semi-surprise (Pat had them in though too).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:32:55 PM
Coming from the East Coast, it's kind of cool to see 3 teams that were on my sons final list of teams during recruiting in the playoffs, Hobart, Ithaca, Endicott (And Salve Regina losing to Endicott the final game to go making it a fourth team we had connections too).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 17, 2013, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2013, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
Welllllll.......

SNC won the conference losing badly to one of the teams that came in second, and didn't play one of the other second place teams due to the unbalanced schedule.  And If SNC played IC, I believe Bates would have lit you guys up with that everybody within 6 yards of the line of scrimmage defense.  I know, I know, if, should have, etc.  But there's an question in my mind.

Lake Forest beat a team they haven't beaten in 12 years.  They've won 16 games in the last two years.  You can't find that many wins for a LFC team in a two year span without going back prior to us fighting the bad guys in Germany in the big one.  THE FIRST BIG ONE, lol.

And LFC has the biggest recruiting class in their Freshman class ever.  Along with a very big Sophomore class in pads.  And if you were there, you saw that very large group of recruits at the game?  That's been at every home game this year.

So yeah, I'll take where they are at after yesterday.  A convincing win for the seniors and things looking up.

Just my opinion of course.

And SNC left the field yesterday banged up pretty bad.  I wish them well in the playoffs, but I believe it's going to be a tough practice week trying to get ready for a probable powerhouse opponent with a lot of skill guys in ice baths.....

And all of the things about LFC being on an upswing are well and good. I was responding to your post suggesting that because LFC won its last game that was a happier place than where SNC is. I happen to disagree.

I hold no illusions about about the relative strength of this year's Green Knights' team, as I have posted. No green & gold colored glasses in my posts. That said, SNC didn't make the schedule. SNC did a better job beating conference foes than anyone else. SNC gets to "hang a banner" that says conference champs - no one else. That's nothing to apologize for.

Don't worry about him Puckfan. Moral victories when you have nothing to play for but pride are all you can hang your hat on when you lose to a Ripon team that St. Norbert stomped, and had they won that game they'd have raked in the chips. Oh well. Winners tell jokes and losers say deal.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:51:15 PM
Hey dangle, enjoy that monkey stomp yesterday? I'm pretty sure your QB, Recievers, and RB's didn't.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 17, 2013, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:51:15 PM
Hey dangle, enjoy that monkey stomp yesterday? I'm pretty sure your QB, Recievers, and RB's didn't.

You could just wait for SNC to come to UWW next week, I'm sure they'll have some fun at the Perk for the first time since 2006.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 17, 2013, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:51:15 PM
Hey dangle, enjoy that monkey stomp yesterday? I'm pretty sure your QB, Recievers, and RB's didn't.

I'm sure they didn't but yesterday's game will be long forgotten when they enjoy slipping on their conference championship rings in the spring.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 07:09:32 PM
I'm sure with some good counseling they can forget it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 17, 2013, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 07:09:32 PM
I'm sure with some good counseling they can forget it.

I would guess they've already forgotten about it. They have another game to play this week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
You must never have played football.  That ones stuck in replay for a long time....maybe in basketball they forget that quick...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 17, 2013, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
You must never have played football.  That ones stuck in replay for a long time....maybe in basketball they forget that quick...

You must be speaking for yourself about the long winter/spring/summer you must have had after you got waxed up here last year. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 07:26:54 PM
Hardly a waxing.  But have fun next week. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 17, 2013, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 07:26:54 PM
Hardly a waxing.  But have fun next week.

I'm sure everyone will have fun. Win, lose or rain, playing in the NCAA Tournament is always a great opportunity. Good luck to ya!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 17, 2013, 07:50:31 PM
Wow...I take it fulbakdad is a IC fan? Just a hunch.

Congrats on being MWC champs Norb's!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 08:56:37 PM
AN IC fan?  Oh my.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
It's play-off time so we have a new idiot on the board. Ignore him and he will go away. Here's the deal. Players read this, so if you're not man enough to say it in person, don't say it here. sncdingleberry....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 17, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
Quotelivid that Pac Lutheran made the field

Pacific Lutheran wins your conference. Maybe several years in a row.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 17, 2013, 09:16:03 PM
That's fine, let them join. I think the MWC should add more teams and split into two conferences anyway. Works for me.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on November 17, 2013, 09:57:01 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 17, 2013, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:51:15 PM
Hey dangle, enjoy that monkey stomp yesterday? I'm pretty sure your QB, Recievers, and RB's didn't.

I'm sure they didn't but yesterday's game will be long forgotten when they enjoy slipping on their conference championship rings in the spring.
Really?  When I played we only got rings for National Championships....  Seems like that is following the everyone gets a ribbon/medal/trophy that goes on at the grade school level.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 17, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: cubs on November 17, 2013, 09:57:01 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 17, 2013, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2013, 06:51:15 PM
Hey dangle, enjoy that monkey stomp yesterday? I'm pretty sure your QB, Recievers, and RB's didn't.

I'm sure they didn't but yesterday's game will be long forgotten when they enjoy slipping on their conference championship rings in the spring.
Really?  When I played we only got rings for National Championships....  Seems like that is following the everyone gets a ribbon/medal/trophy that goes on at the grade school level.

It's common practice at many levels of college football to get conference championship rings. Been that way for some time.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 18, 2013, 05:49:47 AM
Enough of the silliness.  With the storms that rolled though yesterday I'm sure that there are some MWC player connections.  Prayers go out to those that were effected.

It was another fun season, and one team is moving forward.

Best of luck to SNC.

See everybody else around early August?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 18, 2013, 06:02:36 AM
And Roop, we added a new team for next year and did split into two.....So this is the last year of the unbalanced schedule issues.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2013, 06:07:39 AM
I know that. I'm just saying that maybe adding enough to make two automatic bids might be the way to go. The conference is getting a little far flung again, much like it was when there was divisional play years ago. At worst split and you'd have two Pool B Conferences. Add 1 to each and you're back to Pool A status.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on November 18, 2013, 09:13:22 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 18, 2013, 06:02:36 AM
And Roop, we added a new team for next year and did split into two.....So this is the last year of the unbalanced schedule issues.....

Excuse my ignorance but what team is joining?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 18, 2013, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: MasterJedi on November 18, 2013, 09:13:22 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 18, 2013, 06:02:36 AM
And Roop, we added a new team for next year and did split into two.....So this is the last year of the unbalanced schedule issues.....

Excuse my ignorance but what team is joining?

Macalester is joining for football only.

IIRC, the two divisions will be the Wisconsin & Minnesota teams in the North Division, Illinois & Iowa teams in the south.

Play other 5 teams in your division, plus 2 teams crossover from the other. On the last week, 1N plays 1S for the title & autobid, while 2N/2s, 3N/3S, etc also play. Teams then get two non conference games.

For the crossover, it's a home-and-home series, so it would take six years to rotate through once visiting each site. So, I don't think Monmouth comes back to De Pere for six years, for example.

EDIT: LINK TO RELEASE:
http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2013/4/24/GEN_0424133436.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 18, 2013, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: The Roop on November 17, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
It's play-off time so we have a new idiot on the board. Ignore him and he will go away. Here's the deal. Players read this, so if you're not man enough to say it in person, don't say it here. sncdingleberry....

Roop you disappoint me. For an educated man such as yourself I was expecting more erudite repartee than the third grade level like "Funny you should mention dingleberrys since you would be an expert on bottoms as the school you follow regularly finishes at the bottom of the conference standings." You know, something like that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference4
Post by: grboob on November 18, 2013, 11:22:46 AM
Dad,

Its as simple as this.  Until LF wins a MWC championship outright and gets a Playoff bid LF are  just POSERS!

Oh, I retract my statement, forgot the 2002 season where LF tied for the MWC championship with SNC and was stomped in the 1st round of the NCAA Playoffs by Wartberg 40something to zip.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 18, 2013, 12:53:17 PM
Ironic that you tied Lake Forest last year and we're beat 47-17 by the Tommies?

I'll concede to the posers.  Guess we struck a good one Saturday.  We're you there?  I would have liked to have had a beer with you at the tailgate.  Ask Roop, I'm very cordial.    Again, enjoy your week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 18, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
Here's to hoping St. Norbert has a nice long run in the play-offs as the "System" arguments have already started on the basketball board and I'm not interested yet.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 19, 2013, 10:33:45 AM
Well, I see the board has hit rock bottom.   :-[   Catch y'all in August. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 19, 2013, 05:10:12 PM
scottie I set you up perfect and you missed it. You were supposed to say "You mean like a long run of 7 yards off tackle ??" or something like that.....

Could be a Rooppearance ™ in Whitewater Saturday. Just have to see whether the weather cooperates. Famous Daves is on the way home so whenever the game is over (hopefully not the first quarter) I know can get some good eats.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 19, 2013, 05:11:04 PM
Thinking about All MWC team 2013.  Does anyone disagree that Juan Flores , Cornell should be the first team QB????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on November 19, 2013, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: grboob on November 19, 2013, 05:11:04 PM
Thinking about All MWC team 2013.  Does anyone disagree that Juan Flores , Cornell should be the first team QB????

Without analyzing everyone, I think I would take Michael Bates at Illinois College over Juan Flores.  Bates threw for 25 TDs to only 5 Interceptions where as Flores threw only 13 TDs a whopping 18! INTs.  IC was also the highest scoring offense in the conference.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 19, 2013, 05:21:46 PM
I think I have to go with Bates also. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 19, 2013, 05:27:27 PM
Here's a link to the final MWC week stats if you want to use that for your decisions....

http://www.midwestconference.org/sports/2013/7/26/GEN_0726133936.aspx?tab=statistics
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 19, 2013, 05:34:50 PM
However, Bates tailed off on the road in the last 2 games   Check his stats and IC lost bothgames

I like his game management skills and running skills, but his passing left something to be desired at the end of the season.

Check it out and compare the stats on both guys.

That said, I like watching both kids operate.

Bates gets one more season to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 19, 2013, 05:36:48 PM
Dad,  thanks for the stats link
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 19, 2013, 05:36:58 PM
I noticed that with Bates too and wondered if maybe he's hurt????

that's what happened with Scaffidi in the last couple games last year.  He hurt his shoulder and had a lot of trouble throwing. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 19, 2013, 05:40:27 PM
You know I thought that about Bates earlier today.  He was accurate on short stuff
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 19, 2013, 05:40:36 PM
I don't like to use just stats.  They can be slanted.  Especially on defense.  The teams that do the worst tend to have much higher defensive stats due to being on the field.  Now if they hold better teams numbers down that they can be legit.  But a team that loses most of the games, then the defensive stats tend to be slanted in mho.....

Offensive stats seem to be more in line.

But I agree with Bates in his game management.  And remember, I only watch the LFC games.  I saw Flores totally flustered.....

And saw Bates machine like.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 19, 2013, 05:41:41 PM
But what about when he was going longer or trying to throw harder, like across the middle?  That's where the injury will start to hinder.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 21, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
Any St. Norbert fans make the trip down to Whitewater Saturday?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 21, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
Game time decision, well, about an hour before game time decision. Beloit is close enough to get there in that amount of time, park and find a seat.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 21, 2013, 05:23:46 PM
All Conference team is out.

http://midwestconference.org/news/2013/11/20/FB_1120130010.aspx

Both the Offensive Player of the Year (Cecil Brimmage) and the Defensive Player of the Year (Kurt Firshman) come from IC.  Coach of the Year (Vince Brautigam) from Cornell.

Congrats to All on the list.

Boob, we both forgot about Luke Barthelmess.  My son said he was crazy to play against.  He was Second Team QB behind Bates.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
SNC 3 UWW 2. St. Norbert gets an opening field goal and then takes a knee, during a torrential downpour, in the end zone to close out the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 22, 2013, 02:48:59 PM
Well...I could certainly see SNC being held to a field goal.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2013, 03:12:04 PM
I could see that too, I'm just trying to encourage MWC fans to post on the WIAC board.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: voice on November 22, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
SNC 3 UWW 2. St. Norbert gets an opening field goal and then takes a knee, during a torrential downpour, in the end zone to close out the game.

Roop...

Torrential downpour?? I think with temps in the 20s tomorrow I think the scenario would indicate taking a knee in a raging blizzard  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 22, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: voice on November 22, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 22, 2013, 02:42:01 PM
SNC 3 UWW 2. St. Norbert gets an opening field goal and then takes a knee, during a torrential downpour, in the end zone to close out the game.

Roop...

Torrential downpour?? I think with temps in the 20s tomorrow I think the scenario would indicate taking a knee in a raging blizzard  ;)

Voice,
So Roop makes a prediction like this and it's the WEATHER you take issue with?  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2013, 08:07:51 PM
Beloit coach out

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2013/contrib/201311229mfmj8
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 23, 2013, 06:31:46 AM
The timing is a little peculiar but it doesn't surprise me. Interview for another position, don't get it and respond with an 0-10 team. Followed by a 1-9 team this season. Seemed like a nice enough guy but a little aloof. If your car doesn't start I've got jumper cables, no need to call AAA.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 23, 2013, 07:33:47 AM
I retired this year and am available to lead your team to victory Roop.  There will be a Paris Island feel though.  Not sure how that would affect recruiting with today's kids!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 23, 2013, 09:04:40 AM
I get to be defensive coordinator. They will learn by the numbers, I will teach them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 23, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
You can have the D, I've got the O.  Either the triple option or the wishbone.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 23, 2013, 02:18:00 PM
They didn't tell St. Norbert that this game was supposed to be a show; St. Norbert thinks it's a game. 10-0 UWW at the half and if they'd stop turning it over they would be winning.

Now if only the Whitewater announcers would contract laryngitis or stop liking the sound of their own voices.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 23, 2013, 02:19:57 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 23, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
You can have the D, I've got the O.  Either the triple option or the wishbone.

:)

Meet me halfway. I'll give up the spread but I'm not selling out by going run only.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 23, 2013, 02:20:41 PM
I'll throw some out of the option.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 23, 2013, 02:27:42 PM
Boy, much closer game than I expected.  Hats of to SNC.  Still in this one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 23, 2013, 05:17:29 PM
St Norbert's was ready to play today and  fared a lot better than our neighbors  IWU who were beat down by Wartberg 41-7

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 23, 2013, 06:48:51 PM
Congratulations to the Green Knights on playing a hard fought game and on a great season. They played with great effort and I love the way their defense hits. I have to admit, they are better than I thought they were. They represented the MWC well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2013, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 23, 2013, 06:31:46 AM
The timing is a little peculiar but it doesn't surprise me. Interview for another position, don't get it and respond with an 0-10 team. Followed by a 1-9 team this season. Seemed like a nice enough guy but a little aloof. If your car doesn't start I've got jumper cables, no need to call AAA.

Timing isn't peculiar coming off those two seasons and being let go right after the season. Brann is a great guy, gave me a good amount of his time when I was driving through Beloit in September. But this is the time schools get rid of coaches.

Peculiar timing would be mid-March ... or mid-October, even.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 23, 2013, 07:14:59 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 23, 2013, 02:27:42 PM
Boy, much closer game than I expected.  Hats of to SNC.  Still in this one.

I told you they'd move on quickly. You shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 24, 2013, 12:30:20 PM
I see how I could have phrased that better than I did. From looking at the status of the program I think it's a little unusual to make a change now. Of course, if the resignation is voluntary I'm not sure what the college could have done about it. All I can say is if they plan to promote from within to do it now so that recruiting isn't placed on hold. A wholesale change of personnel is the last thing the program needs right now. However, when you hire from outside, that can happen; then you're 4-5 years away from contending instead of 2 or 3 given the numbers that came in this year.

Just emphasize defense so the offense doesn't have to put up 30 plus to stay in games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 24, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
Biggest news of the year.  SNC coach resigns......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 24, 2013, 10:12:47 PM
Yes, I would say that's an attention getter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 24, 2013, 10:41:18 PM
http://www.fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-football-coach-purtill-steps-down
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on November 25, 2013, 03:08:34 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 24, 2013, 10:41:18 PM
http://www.fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-football-coach-purtill-steps-down

Quote from: fulbakdad on November 24, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
Biggest news of the year.  SNC coach resigns......

How big of surprise is this?

Is he likely to surface as the head coach at another lcollege?

I don't know the guy, so I can't venture a guess about his personality.  Perhaps he didn't want to make the end of the season about him.  He has been a very successful coach, so it would just seem that if he were retiring this would have been the opportunity to have a big retirement event at the last regular season home game.

The Green Knights will have some big shoes to fill.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 25, 2013, 05:46:38 AM
Roop!  He heard we were going on our coaching venture and he's jumping us!  He's just sliding over in order to block us!

Guess we need to take over SNC instead....



nahhhhhh!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 25, 2013, 10:59:22 AM
Hog,  that is a very good point.  Seems kind of sudden. ...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 25, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Might have the 500 mile rule to thank/blame in Purtills case. Unless the DIII landscape drastically changes the MWC rep is always going to be a 7 or 8 seed and play the same team year after year. With little to no hope of advancing I could see why a change of scenery might be appealing. Source is reliable and shall remain anonymous. Granted it's a theory but it happens to fit the facts.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 25, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
I think it was more that he was scared to face the Roop defense next year.  That's my story and I'm sticken with it!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2013, 02:43:09 PM
I don't think he resigned by choice, from the looks of things on social media. If that's the case, you might well see him coaching again.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 25, 2013, 03:13:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2013, 02:43:09 PM
I don't think he resigned by choice, from the looks of things on social media. If that's the case, you might well see him coaching again.

Well this just got interesting.  Because a coach with that success, why would a school send him out the door?   SNCSID, anything you can fill us in on????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 25, 2013, 05:48:41 PM
Changing gears a moment: how many full time staff members do each MWC football team have?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 25, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
Ok, does anybody have anything else on this?  I couldn't find anything on social media with my elementary level search.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on November 25, 2013, 11:36:23 PM
Very impressive video  (http://deadspin.com/long-snapper-trick-shot-video-knows-your-opinion-of-lon-1471573573?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)out of Appleton.  In the MWC viral videos power rankings I'd put this one ahead of Tanney's trick shots but behind Tucker's dunks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on November 26, 2013, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 25, 2013, 05:48:41 PM
Changing gears a moment: how many full time staff members do each MWC football team have?

Ripon has 2 I believe.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 26, 2013, 10:04:43 AM
I know Lake Forest has at least 3.  Not sure if that went up to 4....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 26, 2013, 10:05:27 AM
How about what went on in Norberts land???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 26, 2013, 11:32:00 AM
Beloit has had only the head coach and one asst. on the full time payroll, to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 26, 2013, 01:05:06 PM
Well tell the assistant to pack his desk.  We move in after Xmas break!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 26, 2013, 08:36:59 PM
Im with Dad.  What happened at St. Norbert?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 26, 2013, 09:29:35 PM
More on the Lawrence student:
http://www.fox11online.com/sports/college/trick-shots-a-snap-for-lawrence-universitys-john-doran

As for SNC, I think there are two paid positions: head coach and defensive coordinator.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 27, 2013, 12:27:06 PM
Tanney signed by the Browns and will be backup this Sunday.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 28, 2013, 10:01:24 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the MWC!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 01, 2013, 08:10:52 PM
Tanney comes to New England next Sunday.  Should I go and flash some MWC swag?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on December 02, 2013, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 01, 2013, 08:10:52 PM
Tanney comes to New England next Sunday.  Should I go and flash some MWC swag?

I hope he does play. As a Browns fan, I honestly can't stand watching Weedend sabotage our offense.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 02, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
Still interested on what happened  at St Norbert's with Putrill?  Resigned under fire or taking a new job?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 02, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
I think there are a few of us that are still waiting to find out.  Awfully quiet. 

It's like trying to get a straight injury report out of Belichick in the Patriots locker room!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 02, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
Keep trolling the Fox River for info
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 08, 2013, 11:28:39 AM
Anyone know if Tanney is on the Browns active roster today?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 08, 2013, 12:44:32 PM
Tanney on Cleveland roster but Jason Campbell is stating ---maybe Tanney plays if Campbell's concussion reoccurs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 12, 2013, 05:57:14 PM
Dad,

After trolling the Fox River in the Green Bay region all I found out was some vague respons ...... that the St Norbert Admin just last Putrill go.  Pat Coleman mentioned something to that effect on the MWC board back when he resigned .

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 13, 2013, 06:09:45 AM
Very strange indeed.  But we'll see how that works for them the next couple seasons.....

Merry Christmas everyone if this thread stays as active as it has been for the last month or so.  And Happy New Year, have a good Easter, and enjoy your Memorial Day Weekend!

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 25, 2013, 11:38:48 AM
Merry Christmas to all in the MWC!  Congrats to the MWC players that just went down to Mexico for the All Star Stars and Stripes game and won!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 27, 2013, 03:38:48 PM

DE PERE, Wis. - St. Norbert College has named Steve Opgenorth as its head football coach, athletics director Tim Bald announced today.

Opgenorth, 32, arrives in De Pere as the Green Knights' tenth head football coach after two seasons as offensive coordinator and recruiting coordinator at Colby College in Waterville, Maine.  Opgenorth is a Green Bay native and a graduate of Green Bay Southwest High School. He is a 2005 graduate of Winona State University, where he was a standout specialist with the Warriors.

"We are excited to have Steve Opgenorth join the St. Norbert College community," Bald said. "Steve possesses the right mix of enthusiasm, vision and leadership to guide our football program. His emphasis on academic and athletic success fits perfectly within the mission of St. Norbert College and Green Knight athletics."

While at Colby, Opgenorth instituted a multiple spread offense. During the 2013 season, sophomore wide receiver Luke Duncklee was a first-team All-NESCAC selection and sophomore quarterback Justin Ciero was a second-team All-NESCAC honoree while leading the White Mules in both passing and rushing. Colby's attendance increased 260 percent in 2013 when compared to the season before Opgenorth's arrival.

"I'm extremely excited in the opportunity to lead the St. Norbert College football program," Opgenorth said. "We will strive to recruit and develop the very best student-athletes possible here at St. Norbert College. This is truly a special place to call home and play college football. I will do everything possible to ensure our players reach their full potential as people, students and athletes."

Opgenorth also spent two seasons at Winona State coaching wide receivers and special teams while coordinating recruiting, three seasons at Albright (Pa.) College as defensive backs coach, special teams coordinator and recruiting coordinator, and two seasons coaching wide receivers and specialists as a graduate assistant at Carroll University in Waukesha.

Opgenorth spent the 2010 and 2011 seasons on the staff at Winona State. The Warriors averaged 33.5 points per game in 2011 en route to a 7-4 record in the rigorous Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference. Winona State led all NCAA divisions in punt return yardage at 18.9 yards per return in 2010.

From 2007-09, Opgenorth coached at Albright. In 2009, Albright finished 11-2 and advanced to the quarterfinals of the NCAA Division III Playoffs, setting a school record for wins just three years after posting a 2-8 record. Opgenorth was also Albright's academic coordinator, helping 32 players earn all-academic honors in his three seasons.

Opgenorth started his coaching career at Carroll, and helped develop All-Midwest Conference honorees at wide receiver, tight end and placekicker.

Opgenorth is a highly decorated player in Winona State football annals, and was selected to the Warriors' All-Century Team in 2005 as a specialist. Opgenorth is third in career scoring in Winona State history with 323 points, which is the most among kickers. He is also the Warriors' career leader in field goals (45) and extra points (186). Opegnorth was a three-time All-NSIC selection, and aided Winona State to the quarterfinals of the NCAA Division II Playoffs in 2003.

St. Norbert began intercollegiate football in 1931 and is 420-277-20 in 80 seasons. The Green Knights joined the Midwest Conference for football in 1984, and have won 15 conference championships in that stretch while going 178-36 in league play. St. Norbert has appeared in 11 NCAA Division III Playoffs.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 27, 2013, 04:37:12 PM
All the way from Colby.  That's kinda my neck of the woods.  This will be a big change for him.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 27, 2013, 06:56:24 PM
A change from Colby? Yes. But he grew up in Green Bay.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 28, 2013, 06:31:10 AM
A big change from Colby.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 30, 2013, 03:08:23 PM
New young coach from Green Bay Area and former ties to Carroll College.  He has good background in recruiting at his former jobs.  Will make things interesting in the North Div. MWC in 2014
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 07, 2014, 05:42:35 AM
And with FSU winning last night, the 2014 College Football Season is officially underway.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2014, 09:43:12 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on January 07, 2014, 05:42:35 AM
And with FSU winning last night, the 2014 College Football Season is officially underway.

Would it have been delayed had they lost?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 07, 2014, 04:15:46 PM
um, the game wouldn't have been over until someone won.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on January 09, 2014, 03:30:15 PM
More on SNC's new coach... formally introduced today:

http://www.fox11online.com/sports/college/opgenorth-introduced-at-st-norbert#.Us8FnyWbYG4.facebook
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 10, 2014, 04:35:03 PM
No word about Purtil's absence on this board.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on January 11, 2014, 06:46:06 PM
Nothing about Putrill on this board, because there is nothing (nada) about him out on the web.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 13, 2014, 02:50:59 PM
Seems he disappeared.   ???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FsuGoNoles63 on January 18, 2014, 11:23:17 PM
So lets get some conversation started, it might be early but who are yall taking to win conference this year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 24, 2014, 03:18:08 PM
Quote from: FsuGoNoles63 on January 18, 2014, 11:23:17 PM
So lets get some conversation started, it might be early but who are yall taking to win conference this year?

Almost a week, still crickets.  If pressed to make a prediction right now, I would have to go with the Fighting Scots.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on January 24, 2014, 07:22:43 PM
How about starting here


Who has talented and experienced a QB?  M. Bates IU, new QB at Monmouth, T. Matlick,  Ripon QB (don't know) but running that option offense -- the right guy, if consistent is dangerous.

I think several MWC  QB's graduated.

Thoughts??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 26, 2014, 06:33:07 AM
Lake Forest graduated our QB.  There are a couple in the wings that looked good in pre season.  I had hoped we'd see them more during the season.  Prestley ran the wildcat at times and did a good job.  We graduated a lot of players last year, especially on the defensive side.  But had a couple good recruiting years.  There were a couple freshman D lineman that looked very good.  So we'll see....  New split conference alignment will be interesting to see.  It will be weird not playing SNC and a couple other teams....

And Maverick, of course you would pick the Scots.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on January 26, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
Because of Bates, I'll give my beloved Blueboys a fighting chance.  However, I believe Brimmage as well as several players on both lines were seniors and as good as Bates and Brimmage are, IC won a lot of their games the past two years based on being the better team on the lines, especially defensively.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on January 26, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
Now that the BCS is over, I wonder if the NCAA will apply the 500 miles rule for teams in the 4 team play off next season.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 27, 2014, 05:44:47 AM
Good one Roop.  lol  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FsuGoNoles63 on January 30, 2014, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on January 26, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
Because of Bates, I'll give my beloved Blueboys a fighting chance.  However, I believe Brimmage as well as several players on both lines were seniors and as good as Bates and Brimmage are, IC won a lot of their games the past two years based on being the better team on the lines, especially defensively.

Did their running back graduate?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 31, 2014, 06:44:00 AM
He is a Senior this year, so yes...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: FsuGoNoles63 on February 01, 2014, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on January 31, 2014, 06:44:00 AM
He is a Senior this year, so yes...

You can be a senior school wise and still have a year of eligibility left lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on February 09, 2014, 11:47:27 AM
Beloit's New Coach

Seth Duerr
Assistant Coach - 2nd Season
Phone: 419-448-3339
Email: duerrs@tiffin.edu


Seth Duerr enters his second year with the Dragons. He will serve as the defensive coordinator. Duerr comes to Tiffin after serving as the defensive coordinator at The College of Wooster for the past seven years. During his time at Wooster, Duerr coached both linebackers and defensive line, as well as being the special teams co-coordinator.
Duerr's defenses have developed a reputation for a strong pass rush and excelling in red-zone situations among a number of other areas. All together, Wooster ranked among the top half of the league in scoring defense for seven seasons, highlighted by the 2006 unit which was first in both scoring (14.8 ppg) and total defense (272.4 ypg) - the first such "double" in school history. Also that year, Wooster topped the conference in rushing defense (69.3 ypg), pass defense efficiency (108.5 rating), and sacks (37), and they posted back-to-back shutouts for the first time since 1980.
Prior to his time at Wooster, Duerr coached at Ohio Northern University (2004), where he was the defensive line coach of an 8-2 Polar Bear squad (four-win improvement from previous season), and a two-year graduate assistantship at Averett University (2002-03), where he coached the running backs. Duerr was a student assistant at Wooster during 2001.
Duerr played linebacker at Wooster from 1997-2000. Among the many highlights in his playing career were being the finalist for the Gagliardi Trophy, annually given to NCAA Div. III's Outstanding Football Player of the Year, twice earning first-team All-American honors (1999-00), twice receiving the Hank Critchfield Award as the conference Defensive Player of the Year (1999-00), and becoming the fourth player in conference history to earn first-team honors all four years (1997-00). One of three three-time All-Americans at Wooster, Duerr ranks as the school's all-time leading tackler (432) as well as fourth in sacks (17.5), and he was inducted into the school's athletic Hall of Fame in 2011.
A native of Bolivar, Ohio, Duerr graduated from Tuscarawas Valley High School in 1996 and holds a bachelor's degree in biochemistry from Wooster as well as a master's degree in teaching from Averett. Following graduation from Wooster, Duerr played professionally one summer in Germany with the Schwabisch Hall Unicorns.
Duerr and his wife, Lindsey, have a 5 year old daughter named Alexandra.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: rome on February 10, 2014, 06:12:07 PM
Its official

http://www.beloit.edu/bucs/news/?story_id=406051
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on February 11, 2014, 01:23:19 PM
Quick, someone call Roop!

Another Defensive guy leading a team in the MWC.  Maybe we can get back to smashmouth football!  Bring back the Wishbone!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: The Roop on February 23, 2014, 03:32:59 PM
As long as it's salad dressing I'm fine with that. Until then, 686 f-stop on 2.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on February 27, 2014, 01:27:28 AM
Quote from: The Roop on January 26, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
Now that the BCS is over, I wonder if the NCAA will apply the 500 miles rule for teams in the 4 team play off next season.  ;D

Know I am late, but that gave me something to laugh at while I am overseas for work.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on February 28, 2014, 05:26:09 PM
St Norbert's hiring 2 local high school coaches New head coach with local roots hiring local hs coaches ------ maybe begin to get more talents from the area, which is is really competitive (how many DIII schools near Green Bay????)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 28, 2014, 07:57:28 PM
Lawrence is 30 miles away. Oshkosh is 60. Ripon is 75. Stevens Point is about 110.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on March 01, 2014, 04:44:15 PM
Tough recruiting competition in the Fox River region.  If you are good enough Whitewater or Oshkosh
will be on you

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on March 11, 2014, 06:14:42 PM
Should Finlandia University, in Hancock Michigan (4-5 hr drive in good weather), a new DIII football team in 2015 , be a new recruiting competitor for St Norbert's football?  The Saints have several Yooper players on the roster.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
Not the first time Finlandia has announced it is starting football.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2009/finlandia-adding-football-in-2012
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on March 13, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
Right on Pat,  I've followed the Finlandia  football stories since the onset, since I grew up north of Hancock, Mich. 

Coming up with the private money in Hancock/ CooperCountry, Mich. is a difficult task  with such a long term depressed economy.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Redhawk Sighting on March 31, 2014, 02:16:39 PM
Rick Coles from Ripon College was inducted into the Wisconsin's Coaches Hall of Fame over the weekend.  I would like to congratulate him on this big accomplishment!!!


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 12, 2014, 08:09:36 PM
I was reading the release on attendance, and excerpted the MWC figures:


2013 NCAA DIVISION III FOOTBALL CONFERENCE ATTENDANCE
Total 2013 Change
Rank Division III Teams Games Attendance Average In Avg.
1. Minnesota Intercollegiate 9 48 160,482 3,343 -29
2. American Southwest # 7 39 125,180 3,210 704
3. Wisconsin Intercollegiate 8 44 129,922 2,953 10
5. Iowa Intercollegiate 8 40 99,535 2,488 211
11. Illinois & Wisconsin 8 43 93,512 2,175 -117
16. Michigan Intercollegiate 7 35 72,090 2,060 -233
27. Midwest 11 54 64,410 1,193 -3


school- dates- overall - average
Ripon 5 9,250 1,850
Illinois Col. 4 5,850 1,463
Carroll (WI) 6 8,310 1,385
St. Norbert 5 6,169 1,234
Beloit 5 6,000 1,200
Monmouth (IL) 6 7,150 1,192
Cornell College 4 4,760 1,190
Lake Forest 5 5,247 1,049
Lawrence 5 5,173 1,035
Knox 5 4,425 885
Grinnell 4 2,076 519
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 12, 2014, 08:17:11 PM
And now my comments...

Well, that's disappointing. I didn't realize the MWC was so low nationally. That's embarrassing.

I wouldn't have guessed that Ripon was the highest. Kudos to them.

And Grinnell? Sheesh. Most teams had one game with higher attendance than the Pios had all season.

SNC's should be higher, but it was really rainy the Monmouth game (680) and having two November games - with under 900 - didn't help. No home games against Lawrence or Carroll didn't help, either.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 13, 2014, 06:01:12 AM
Not sure about the other schools, but Lake Forest has over 60 percent of the students coming from out of state.  That reduces many from attending.  But I will say their numbers have been going up during the last three years....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on April 13, 2014, 09:58:18 AM
Perhaps all of the conference schools are like this, but I have no idea how IC's numbers could be accurate.  So many of their attendees don't have to pay to get in for a variety of reasons that I don't know how they could ever chart it.  Maybe they just take an approximation for every game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 13, 2014, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on April 13, 2014, 06:01:12 AM
Not sure about the other schools, but Lake Forest has over 60 percent of the students coming from out of state.  That reduces many from attending.  But I will say their numbers have been going up during the last three years....

If they are from out of state, aren't they staying on campus during the weekend? Wouldn't take make it easier for students to attend?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2014, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on April 13, 2014, 09:58:18 AM
Maybe they just take an approximation for every game?

Most D-III schools do.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 15, 2014, 06:32:03 AM
Don't they stay on campus?

I was saying the majority are from out of state could be a reason for lower numbers do to the families also being from out of state.  When my son was looking at other schools, if he had chosen one closer to home, we would be at every game both home and away.  We travel out to all of the home games but that comes at some expense.  There are many families that can't afford to do that.  So you are really missing many family members (and friends) at both home and away games.....


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 15, 2014, 08:48:08 AM
Gotcha. I thought you were referring to the general student population. Makes sense now.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on April 15, 2014, 04:05:49 PM
Most games that The Roop attends usually average another +50 for the entourage.   :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 16, 2014, 07:00:56 AM
I would have to agree with you Scottie.  I have witnessed and tipped amber liquid filled cans with him and his "crew".  They travel well!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 16, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
Could've been his cabinet and staffers if he had won that election he was talking about over on the hoops boards awhile back!

I see Monmouth has their 2014 schedule up on the website.  Haven't taken the time to look around at the other MWC schools' websites--has anyone seen schedules for everyone else yet?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 16, 2014, 11:04:12 AM
Lake Forest's is up.  Open up with 2 non leagues next year.  Being from New England, I know neither of them, lol.  Wisconsin Lutheran, and Gust. Adolphus.  First league game is Carroll (homecoming).....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2014, 11:22:47 AM
Good number of MWC schedules posted:

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Beloit/2014/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Carroll/2014/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Cornell/2014/index (just eight games)
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Grinnell/2014/index (incomplete)
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Illinois_College/2014/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Knox/2014/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Lake_Forest/2014/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Lawrence/2014/index (incomplete)
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2014/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Monmouth/2014/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Ripon/2014/index (incomplete)
http://www.d3football.com/teams/St._Norbert/2014/index

Didn't list the cross-divisional game at the end of the season -- those will be added when the pairing is set.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on April 22, 2014, 10:53:43 AM
Sad news on the MWC hoops board....  This fall will be different.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 22, 2014, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on April 22, 2014, 10:53:43 AM
Sad news on the MWC hoops board....  This fall will be different.

Amen to that.  Certainly is hard to believe.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 22, 2014, 03:08:48 PM
Very sorry to hear about the "Roop".  Was lucky enough to meet him when he visited Lake Forest this last fall to watch a new Freshman he knew through family.  After reading his posts, he lived up to the hype in real life!  Prayers to his family.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on April 24, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
Carroll has 2 final years in the MWC. They are leaving for the CCIW in 2016-17.

http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/shows/wisconsin-tonight/Carroll-University-joins-the-CCIW-256619801.html (http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/shows/wisconsin-tonight/Carroll-University-joins-the-CCIW-256619801.html)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 25, 2014, 08:32:17 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on April 24, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
Carroll has 2 final years in the MWC. They are leaving for the CCIW in 2016-17.

http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/shows/wisconsin-tonight/Carroll-University-joins-the-CCIW-256619801.html (http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/shows/wisconsin-tonight/Carroll-University-joins-the-CCIW-256619801.html)

Do I remember correctly that Carroll was in the CCIW back in the early 60s?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 25, 2014, 08:46:16 AM
Carroll was there 1955-1992:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Conference_of_Illinois_and_Wisconsin

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 25, 2014, 09:48:19 AM
the release:


Waukesha—(April 25, 2014)—Carroll University will join the College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin (CCIW) as a full member in the 2016-17 academic year. It is anticipated the university will become an associate member for women's lacrosse beginning in 2015-16, one year before full membership in the CCIW begins. Carroll returns to the CCIW after a 22-year absence, bringing the total number of full members in the conference to nine.

"We are delighted to return to the CCIW. It is one of the premier NCAA Division III conferences in the country and is comprised of institutions that are widely recognized for academic excellence," said Doug Hastad, president of Carroll University. "We are especially excited for our student-athletes who will be able to test their skills against some of the finest competition in the country. We look forward to renewing our relationship with these outstanding institutions. It is a proud day for the Carroll family."

Carroll was a member of the CCIW conference from 1955 to 1992. Since then, Carroll has been a member of the Midwest Conference. The announcement marks the first change in full membership since the university left the CCIW after the 1991-92 academic year.

"Joining the CCIW is a significant achievement for our Pioneers Athletic Program," said Joe Baker, athletic director for Carroll University. "Future student-athletes have a lot to look forward to as we also prepare to add men's and women's lacrosse to our sports lineup in fall, and begin renovations on our Van Male Fieldhouse this summer."

Founded in 1846, Carroll University serves an enrollment of 3,539 students and an athletics department that sponsors 20 sports (10 men's and 10 women's). The university is adding men's and women's lacrosse for the 2014-15 season.

"Our office will begin the process of incorporating Carroll into all of our conference schedules starting in 2016-17," CCIW Commissioner Chris Martin said. "We will work to create draft schedules for our athletics directors to review and decide upon as we add an additional game or series."

Currently, the CCIW sponsors 21 sports and will sponsor men's & women's lacrosse beginning in 2014-15. CCIW schools have accounted for 46 NCAA Division III National Championships in its 68-year history.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 05, 2014, 08:42:04 AM
Pat:  I'd like to propose a posthumous honor for The Roop, which I hope isn't too much of an administrative headache for you.  Any chance his profile thumbnail (or whatever it's called) could be upgraded to "Hall of Fame" status?  Anybody care to "second" my nomination?  I'll copy on the basketball page as well.  Thanks, Pat, for your consideration! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on May 06, 2014, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: scottie on May 05, 2014, 08:42:04 AM
Pat:  I'd like to propose a posthumous honor for The Roop, which I hope isn't too much of an administrative headache for you.  Any chance his profile thumbnail (or whatever it's called) could be upgraded to "Hall of Fame" status?  Anybody care to "second" my nomination?  I'll copy on the basketball page as well.  Thanks, Pat, for your consideration!

scottie - I'll second that!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on May 07, 2014, 06:04:21 AM
Scottie/Pat

I'll third that if it helps any!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on May 10, 2014, 06:08:50 AM
Everyone is talking about Johnny Football going to Cleveland.  He hasn't beaten out Tanney yet though! lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on May 11, 2014, 06:11:16 PM

Cleveland 's QB situation by the end of camp  Weedin, Johnny F and Tanney
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 12, 2014, 04:35:25 PM
I was excited to read the article about Vince Young getting released today.....until I read further down the page and saw that they also let Alex go.  Nothing against Cleveland BUT, maybe Tanney will be better off landing with another team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on May 12, 2014, 05:22:42 PM
Maybe Cowboys will resign Tanney
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 13, 2014, 09:09:12 AM
A good idea, grboob! 

Good luck to the Good Guy Golfers at the NCAA's this week!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on May 20, 2014, 08:05:13 PM
Let's go, Buccaneers!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on May 23, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
Tampa is near Disney World Orlando so Tanney's better off there , than in Cleveland
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on July 07, 2014, 01:31:02 AM
As some of you may know, I am only an occasional poster on this message board, and I usually do it when a sense of panic sets in. I am asking know for the second year in a row if anyone has any inside info as to whether or not Lamont Williams is an active member of the Carroll program at the time being? In all three pre-season "hype" videos he is nowhere to be seen in the workouts, and the most recent teaser video actually showed a solitary highlight, and it was a touchdown from a different tailback in a game last season. I'm just wondering if anyone knows if arguably the best player in my school's history has decided to take a pass on his senior year. If anyone should have any into I would appreciate it. Thanks 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 09, 2014, 06:53:22 AM
Lake Forest College shows a very good recruiting year.  44 incoming Freshman and 5 transfers.  I spoke to the coach and he's very excited about this group.  After watching the show for the last 2 years it's awesome to see the steps taken to move this program forward. 

Lake Forest lost a lot on the defensive side last year, but there were some younger players held back from playing due to the strong senior presence on the field.  I can't wait to see them start to play and the new guys coming in.

Here's a link if anyone's interested to see where they are coming from.

http://lakeforestcollegefootball.blogspot.com/

Players report in just over a month.  Is it football time yet?

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 14, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
1 month from today we'll be pulling into the Forest for the start of the new year.  My sons Senior season.  Can't wait.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 15, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Safe travels and enjoy the year, F-Dad.  I'm sure you've gone through a few sets of magic markers, circling October 18 on every calendar you can find.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 15, 2014, 12:05:46 PM
Highlighted in bright green Scottie!  Hoping for two things.  1 - no tip toeing and 2-0 Scottie sighting!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 16, 2014, 07:43:23 AM
Scottie, my day started out awesome.  Read the first story in the below link.  LFC added two former Scots as coaches this year!  One a former MWC Offensive player of the year.....

http://lakeforestcollegefootball.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 18, 2014, 04:06:57 PM
F-Dad: If I may borrow from one of your expressions.....I think LFC has not only added two great former MC athlete's, but also great people, on the staff.  Your head coach obviously is wise beyond his years to seek such mentors for the team.  How that translates into wins against Mount Monmouth (roopism tm), I'm not so sure.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 18, 2014, 09:58:47 PM
I guess it's no surprise... no MWC team even gets votes in the preseason poll...

:(

http://www.d3football.com/top25/2014/preseason
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 20, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
No surprise.  Last years champ limped out of league play into the playoffs and lost....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 21, 2014, 12:41:04 PM
Although SNC lost in the playoffs to UWW by less than Mount Union or Franklin did.  And the MWC team losing in the playoffs happens more often than not.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on July 21, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on July 21, 2014, 12:41:04 PM
Although SNC lost in the playoffs to UWW by less than Mount Union or Franklin did.  And the MWC team losing in the playoffs happens more often than not.

In the post game news conference the UWW players said they took the game for granted and that lead to the tighter score. Obviously watching that game though St. Norbert brought the best they could and were putting up a good fight, so it was a combination.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 21, 2014, 05:32:36 PM
Monmouth made it to the 2nd round Playoffs in 2008 and 2011.  Lost a close game to Wartburg in 2008 --one they should have won. 

In 2011 the Scots beat a Norm Eash's IWU in triple overtime in Bloomington/Normal, Il and played and lost to St. Thomas in St. Paul-- in freezing rain

The MWC can win in the playoffs, if the best team gets there

Go Scots!!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on July 21, 2014, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: grboob on July 21, 2014, 05:32:36 PM
Monmouth made it to the 2nd round Playoffs in 2008 and 2011.  Lost a close game to Wartburg in 2008 --one they should have won. 

In 2011 the Scots beat a Norm Eash's IWU in triple overtime in Bloomington/Normal, Il and played and lost to St. Thomas in St. Paul-- in freezing rain

The MWC can win in the playoffs, if the best team gets there

Go Scots!!

Aka the Alex Tanney show. Those teams went as far as his arm would take them, he was a real beast.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 21, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
The times they are a changing.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 21, 2014, 09:14:35 PM
Odds are that Monmouth will NEVER see another Alex Tanney.  On the other hand, the MWC will probably NEVER see another Alex Tanney.

As an IWU guy, that 2011 game is one of my most painful memories.  I still think we were overall a better team, but we had a sophomore QB, you had a senior Tanney.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 22, 2014, 10:23:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on July 21, 2014, 09:14:35 PM

As an IWU guy, that 2011 game is one of my most painful memories.  I still think we were overall a better team, but we had a sophomore QB, you had a senior Tanney.

I'm not sure you would have wanted to go up against Tanney during his sophomore year either - arguably more impressive than his senior season in several key statistical categories (including 50 TDs, I believe).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 22, 2014, 07:04:35 PM
We'll see about that ---Monmouth will probably surprise you in the future.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 22, 2014, 07:06:57 PM
Ypsi,

Monmouth beat IWU on 3 straight running plays by Try Yocum in the 3rd OT  --not passing!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 22, 2014, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: grboob on July 22, 2014, 07:06:57 PM
Ypsi,

Monmouth beat IWU on 3 straight running plays by Try Yocum in the 3rd OT  --not passing!!!!

True, but without Tanney's passing, Monmouth loses big time in regulation.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 23, 2014, 09:32:23 AM
Tanney threw for over 350 yards and 2 touchdowns in the game.  His second touchdown pass tied the score at the end of the first OT.  Monmouth took the safe route and ran the ball in the third overtime because their defense had forced a fumble and held IWU scoreless so they would only need a field goal to win.  Don't mean to take anything away from Yocum though. 

Tanney was an incredible talent.  His trick video is one of the best I've ever seen.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 23, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
Good memories to rekindle during the off-season.  :)

https://www.google.com/search?q=monmouth+iwu+football&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4PHPU6qXNMKL8QHl8oCABw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=969#facrc=_&imgrc=E_5HCyU7ubzJcM%253A%3BE72OYeScSooyyM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fbloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com%252Feditorialmatters.lee.net%252Fcontent%252Ftncms%252Fassets%252Fv3%252Feditorial%252F8%252F52%252F852a872a-1aab-11e1-a7c3-001cc4c03286%252F4ed50f795db0c.image.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Feditorialmatters.lee.net%252Fimage_852a872a-1aab-11e1-a7c3-001cc4c03286.html%3B620%3B399
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 23, 2014, 02:08:30 PM
Scottie,

Thanks for excellent photos.  It is an a little known fact that Monmouth has always had a 100 yard a game  back in  Coach Bell's balanced offensive scheme. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 23, 2014, 02:25:26 PM
Hey Boob,

Hate to burst your bubble but It would be kind of difficult to have a 100 yard runner when your entire team only ran for 45 yards the whole game.....

http://d3football.com/seasons/2013/boxscores/20131019_z9zs.xml
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 23, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
I'm not sure I get the "if the best team gets there" line. By the confererence's definition, the best team does.

That said, IIRC, the MWC is 3-16 in the playoffs. Monmouth and SNC are the two schools with wins (again, IIRC). That's what I mean by the conference rep "usually" doesn't win. And I know many of those are SNC. Fact is, the conference isn't as competitive nationally in football as it is some other sports.

And, again, IIRC, NO team representing the conference has ever won a national team title in any sport. SNC has its hockey titles but that's not the MWC

We can quibble amongst ourselves about merit but until we can get past the second round in football - or maybe win a title in something else - we will continue to be a small fish in this D3 pond, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on July 23, 2014, 03:43:21 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on July 23, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
I'm not sure I get the "if the best team gets there" line. By the confererence's definition, the best team does.

That said, IIRC, the MWC is 3-16 in the playoffs. Monmouth and SNC are the two schools with wins (again, IIRC). That's what I mean by the conference rep "usually" doesn't win. And I know many of those are SNC. Fact is, the conference isn't as competitive nationally in football as it is some other sports.

And, again, IIRC, NO team representing the conference has ever won a national team title in any sport. SNC has it's hockey titles but that's not the MWC

We can quibble amongst ourselves about merit but until we can get past the second round in football - or maybe win a title - we will continue to be a small fish in this D3 pond, unfortunately.
I think people in the West and Midwest tend to overlook how big the "pond" is when we limit our comparisons to the WIAC, CCIW or MIAC.  Being in the top 30% of D3 doesn't guarantee you're not going to get crushed in the West playoffs.  Don't cheapen the upset by claiming you've arrived at the top before slaying the giant.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on July 23, 2014, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: scottie on July 23, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
Good memories to rekindle during the off-season.  :)

https://www.google.com/search?q=monmouth+iwu+football&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4PHPU6qXNMKL8QHl8oCABw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=969#facrc=_&imgrc=E_5HCyU7ubzJcM%253A%3BE72OYeScSooyyM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fbloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com%252Feditorialmatters.lee.net%252Fcontent%252Ftncms%252Fassets%252Fv3%252Feditorial%252F8%252F52%252F852a872a-1aab-11e1-a7c3-001cc4c03286%252F4ed50f795db0c.image.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Feditorialmatters.lee.net%252Fimage_852a872a-1aab-11e1-a7c3-001cc4c03286.html%3B620%3B399

http://wcfcourier.com/news/breaking_news/college-football-wartburg-rallies-late-to-stun-monmouth/article_a47c3481-d66f-589d-8f1c-dd14fe4e88a3.html

Even better memories ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 24, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
You got me Wart.  Monmouth gave you that game and your guys played Whitewater tough in the 3rd round in 2008.


Finally the MWC Post Pattern board is waking up!

GO SCOTS in 2014

We will see what Lake Forest does with the Scots running game this fall Fulback
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 25, 2014, 09:00:16 AM
Boob,

I would bet the Scots will better that rushing total.  It would be very difficult to have a lower one....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 25, 2014, 02:19:32 PM
Conversely,  Will Lake Forest have the defense to stop the Scots running game or have you graduated a bunch of your best defensive players?????

We will see this fall at your home field.


fun and games!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 25, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
Fulback

i was curious to see how much of your defense graduated and was dismayed to see that 8 of your top 2013 tacklers have graduated this spring.  Looks like a rebuilding year for your D?????  Right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 25, 2014, 05:12:37 PM
Boob

Dismayed? lol. 

I guess you would call it a rebuilding year.  But fun and games was holding you guys to 45 yards on the ground with a SR running back....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 25, 2014, 06:43:32 PM
Scots have 4 running back with experience ,to carry the load.  No problem.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on July 26, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
Going to be a long year for Carroll... My assumption is that Lamont Williams is no longer with the program considering he has been absent from every preseason all-American list out there. So, that said, it appears that we will be leaving the Midwest Conference with our tails between our legs... Ready to get spanked in the best athletic conference in DIII sports
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 26, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that the All American lists that have come out have very little knowledge if a player is coming back or not.  He was a late show last year too wasn't he?????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 26, 2014, 11:34:42 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on July 26, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
Going to be a long year for Carroll... My assumption is that Lamont Williams is no longer with the program considering he has been absent from every preseason all-American list out there. So, that said, it appears that we will be leaving the Midwest Conference with our tails between our legs... Ready to get spanked in the best athletic conference in DIII sports

Carroll is moving to the WIAC?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on July 27, 2014, 12:39:59 PM
I stand corrected... The second best (because whatever conference the team in black and purple is in... Is the best by default)...

As far as the late arrival and non participation in the offseason... Inexcusable for a senior on a team that has an outside shot to contend
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 27, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
Ok, so I am confused.  You post asking if you now know he isn't around... What do you know about his status and how do you know???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 28, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
Fulbakk,

Oh Oh,  My big mouth might come back to haunt me.  Lake Forest might have an excellent running game in 2014.   

Former Scots All American running back, grad asst. coach, All Kodak Academic  1st Team All American, Dante Daniels,  has been hired to coach your running backs.

I believe your running game  will increase your point production this year.  Hope you are excited with this hire.  Dante is a really good guy

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 28, 2014, 07:03:23 PM
He will probably help the running game.  But the main reason I believe the running game will get better this year is a full stable of running backs that were thrown into the fire last year and did a good job.  The experience they got along with the O-line almost all coming back should pick things up.  If whoever the new qb is this year (A promising transfer and a couple Soph's from last year) will run the ball a couple times a game will open things up in the option type offense......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 29, 2014, 11:01:09 AM
THIS JUST IN.....!  Lamont Williams named to be assistant-to-the-assistant running backs coach at LFC!  :)  Sorry, couldn't resist.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 29, 2014, 01:18:28 PM
Rats!  I was hoping Tanney was taking that job!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on July 29, 2014, 02:41:01 PM
Lamont Williams had a draft profile for the 2014 draft on ESPN's page.  Granted, there was almost no information on the page so I don't know if it means anything.  I guess my point is that if he isn't coming back this year, it's possible he was never planning on coming back.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on July 29, 2014, 05:01:10 PM
well I guess all I can say is wow... A Midwest Conference running back declaring for the draft a year early after his team had a stunning .500ish record and had missed the first 2 games of the season.  Oh well... as I stated before, its going to be a long year. While I appreciate the idea that Carroll desires to broaden its athletic department's reach by moving to a new conference, I think it is a huge football mistake.  I also hate to see the program tuck tail and run before winning the thing again.  During my time at Carroll we took a great deal of pride in steering the program back towards winning a Midwest Conference championship.  Since then, we have come close, but have been bested by some great teams along the way.  This coming season would have been a great opportunity to turn the tide and contend for a title on the way out the door.  However, losing a star running back (to the draft apparently....) will be a great detriment to our chances.  That said, I look forward to the start of camp and some spirited debate on this board.  Thanks for the info as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 29, 2014, 06:21:52 PM
Boys report for camp in 3 weeeeeeeeeks!  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on July 31, 2014, 04:14:23 PM
Where is the spirited debate????

Can Bates win at IC without Brimmage?

How good will St. Norberts be with a young new coach?

Can Monmouth get back their mojo after 2 average seasons?

Can Lake Forest replace their dominant defense..

Carroll has been discussed earlier

Anyone want to add questions????  about other reams  --like Cornell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on July 31, 2014, 08:49:26 PM
The only question I care about is, Will the MWC webcasts be vastly improved?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on July 31, 2014, 11:23:38 PM
IC should be pretty loaded at WR, so while the Blueboys may throw the ball even more this year, I'm not worried about the offensive skill positions.  I'm more worried about losses on both lines of scrimmage, even as talented as Brimmage was.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 01, 2014, 05:34:46 AM
Scottie,

We can only hope that the schools with the poor webcasts will watch a game or two of the schools with the very good webcasts.  Then maybe they can try to improve their game!

Or maybe we should host a "How to make a better webcast" workshop in Vegas prior to the start of the season!  I volunteer to be the Advance Party for that one!

And I want to extend my invitation once again to you for the "Good Guys" VS Lake Forest game.  You will get the same VIP treatment Roop (RIP) got last year when he visited.  That would include but not be limited to, VIP parking, a free ticket to the best pre game tailgate in D3, seating at either the center Lake Forest Parents Area or the Halas Hall viewing section where the legendary Mike Ditka would smoke his cigars back in the day the Bears practiced there (That one would take some real hiney smacking to get).  I'll even throw in a halftime hotdog or sausage, your choice!

As you can see, we are really fighting to get that Scottie sighting.....

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 01, 2014, 09:03:51 AM
Thanks for the invite, F-dad.  Unfortunately, I think my current travel distance back to the Midwest might exceed yours (hence, my concern about the webcasts....).  I'll be able to attend the MC homecoming game, hopefully.  As luck would have it, the Good Guys play America's Team that day.....and I will NOT be surprised if the ball takes a few funny bounces in Beloit's favor, if you know what I mean.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 01, 2014, 05:58:13 PM
So Scottie,

You should make the Sports Info office know about your displeasure regarding the webcast announcers etc.  There is all new equipment in the outstanding football facility so there are no excuses for inept announcing at MC.

That said,  this year for 2 important games, you will be treated to the Lake Forest and IC announcers, since those are road games
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 01, 2014, 06:01:11 PM
Scottie,

Sorry I forgot -----the Carroll is another road game in 2014
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 01, 2014, 08:31:55 PM
Trust me....this isn't a MC problem, it's a MWC problem. I'll rely equally on all webcasts to....  Keep the camera on the action, pronounce the names of the schools correctly, at least pretend to be unbiased, keep the score accurate on the screen, repeat the score AND time-in-game frequently, speak loudly and clearly, be enthusiastic, share some stats, do a little research on the other team, and don't chew gum. 

K?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 01, 2014, 11:17:18 PM
Post this to the MWC because it makes sense
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 02, 2014, 06:27:07 AM
Scottie,

I agree on the problems.  We fly out for all of the home games and a spot away game, but are held hostage for the away games on the web.  I haven't watched a Lake Forest game on the web, so I couldn't tell you the quality.  But for the others it's hit or miss.  Some are very well done. I've watched some of the eastern d3 games on the web trying to follow my sons teammates that are still playing and it's the same in these leagues (NESCAC, NEFC, Liberty League, etc.).  And I found the same situation there.  There are some extremely well done broadcasts (watch a home Ithica game), and some that look like and sound like a Spring Break good time.....

That being said, maybe we all should be vocal to our own schools.  Let me know what goes on with the LFC games.  Be happy to voice pleasure/displeasure up the chain.

And Scottie, of course the ball will be taking funny bounces.  You don't think we've heard the last of Roop, do you?

The last sighting of the green ball was on the field, did you see them soaring to new heights?

OMG I was just talking in tongues!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 08, 2014, 08:14:55 AM
If you notice a dense fog on Saturdays this fall, it's just the Roop taking the lid off of the grill....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 08, 2014, 10:42:58 AM
I believe it will be foggy Scottie......

Ok, so anyone want a pre-pre Season team review?  I think its only right to start talking about your team even though nobody's even walked onto a field yet.  But they do start next week, sooooo here's what I think about Lake Forest this year:

The big question will be, is this a rebuilding year or not?

I ask that because LFC lost a TON of senior talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball.  When we came to the Forest 3 years ago, I was watching a bunch of Sophomores on the field that just seemed to be playing above their heads.  It looked to me then that the younger group was outplaying the older players on the field.  Watching them get even better the next two years was enjoyable.  So it would make sense that the vacuum created by those guys leaving would create the perfect storm for a hiccup year or two.  But I don't think that's going to happen.

Coach Cat's recruiting since we've arrived has brought some very good football players to the school.  Many of them would have been starting if they were a couple years ahead of their time.  Those guys, along with some very driven leadership from the now seniors could spell trouble for opposing teams.  This years Freshman class is also an indicator that the program is on the rise....

Offense:
They return almost the entire starting Offensive line.  So with a couple fill ins, this should be the base for a hopefully stronger performing unit.  Watch Pennell and Rindom, two big studs that move very well. 

The receiver corps will miss their big tight end Alanso and possession receiver Peters, but a couple younger guys who stepped up last year showed a lot of promise.  Vidas was very good deep along the sidelines.  Pasiewicz was a multi function back/running back who had flashes of brilliance.  And McIntyre was a big play guy with a lot of speed.  Last year the problem seemed to be just getting the ball to these guys.

Charlie Quinn showed promise at running back last year, but without the Qb taking the ball a couple times a game, the linebackers were able to just key on him, forget the option, and smother him.  If this years Qb can offer some attempts, he should have a good year.  The big question seems to be Valdivia.  He sat out the year from an early injury.  But his Freshman year he showed big promise.  Much of the '12 highlight film is him on extended runs with defenses unable to take him down without bringing a gang. 

Qb is the Offense's big question mark.  There's a transfer who I've heard is looking very good.  Last year Prestly ran the Wildcat with success.  Not sure if he's an every down qb though.  There was also a Freshman who also looked good in practices and scrimmages.  Hopefully someone breaks the bubble and takes the lead.

On Defense:

The Defensive line should be solid.  Samual and Sands have shown some good stuff.  But I think at least one or two of last years freshman (maybe Nusbaumer) might rise out of the pack.

Linebackers took the biggest hit.  3 out of 4 of the Wrecking Crew are gone.  But MLB Preston (1st team MWC and Captain) returns.  Van Meter would have started at almost any other school last year.  He fills the other inside spot bringing a nose for the ball and intensity.  One of the outsiders should be Julius returning on a 5th year medical red shirt.  We'll see who is the other.  There is some good balance there, they should be ok.

DB's should shine this year.  Although we lost a couple very good backs, This years has the potential to be explosive.  Joey Kropp (Captain) Leads a crew of ball hawks with Rantis, Clark and a couple incoming freshman who will be fighting for time.

Special Teams:
Punter/Kicker Gurchak booted some jaw droppers from both positions last year.

Incoming Freshman: I was able to watch the highlight films of many of the incoming players.  Awsome!  I can't wait to see them on the field at LFC.....

Over all?  I think much of this years success or lack of success will be determined on Qb play and how the defense reacts to growing pains.  If they get decent consistent play from the QB they should be a much better Offense than they were last year.  If on Defense they get some "young bucks" to step it up, they can also do well.  But those are two big questions that will have to be answered....

OK, who's next?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 13, 2014, 01:02:01 PM
IC & SNC picked to win in the coaches poll:

http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2014/8/13/FB_0813145545.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 13, 2014, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 13, 2014, 01:02:01 PM
IC & SNC picked to win in the coaches poll:

http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2014/8/13/FB_0813145545.aspx

Couldn't disagree with that. I south is stacked. I wonder if Monmouth will make some strides. Love the divisional setup and then Conference Championship.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 13, 2014, 01:43:53 PM
and if the coaches are right, at least one of those two will have (at least) one loss heading into the title game, as the Green Knights  host the Blueboys to open MWC play on Sept. 27
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 15, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
Just left Lake Forest check in day.  Largest group of players ever for start of camp.  Over 40 more players this year than our first year here 3 years ago.  Looking forward to the start of things in a couple weeks...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 17, 2014, 11:52:52 AM
Question always is   how many are really ready to contribute. Out of 40. Speed of game weight training etc
:o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 17, 2014, 12:41:17 PM
You are right Boob.  Guess we'll have to wait and see....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 17, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
Fulback,

Will you get to the Monmouth vs L Forest game this fall? 

I can't make the Chicago trip/flight this fall, unfortunately.

  IC, LF and Knox of course are always the  most fun every year for Scot fans.  use to include be Ripon at Ripon!!!!

That Ripon,  you never knew what would or could happen

But 2014 Monmouth  schedule is challenging with Hope at Monmouth and Central/Iowa at Pella .  These will be fun!

Does anyone know how they decide where the MWC championship is played (between divisions)?

St Norbert's vs IC ?  Any thoughts on who has the upper hand this year.  As stated earlier , it sets the tone for the MWC season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 17, 2014, 06:53:56 PM
We go to all home games and are adding the first away game this year since it's the boys senior year.  So we will be at the Monmouth game.  The host is already chosen just not the teams.  Lol.  The South divisionis hosting all of the last games this year and the north next.  This will help in planning for teams sothey don't have to make last minute bus plans.....And my money is on IC by 3 touchdowns.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 17, 2014, 08:14:11 PM
Interesting note: Macalster apparently won't be winning the title. Every other south team is listed as hosting championship weekend while Macalster is listed as hosting crossover weekend
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 17, 2014, 08:25:21 PM
Grboob - I think IC has an edge facing SNC that early in the season. Any time there's a new system and coach that adjustment will take more than a couple of games
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 17, 2014, 09:58:29 PM
One of the reasons I predict a larger point spread...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 17, 2014, 10:30:24 PM
So if IC beats St Norbert, Monmouth will have a chance to take charge of things in the south by beating IC and Lake Forest in back to back away games in mid Oct.

IC?? Anyone there???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 18, 2014, 06:35:28 AM
Boob,

That's a lot of ifs.  Maybe we shouldn't even play the season out, sounds like you've got it in the bag.  But you might want to remember that Monmouth hasn't beaten Lake Forest or IC for the past 2years.......

Just a thought
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 18, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 17, 2014, 09:58:29 PM
One of the reasons I predict a larger point spread...

and you just don't like SNC?  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 18, 2014, 10:07:24 AM
Not sure that has anything to do with it.  Don't really like IC either.  What do u think the outcome will be?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 18, 2014, 10:53:41 AM
Scottie help
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 18, 2014, 10:59:28 AM
Why would u need Scottie ' s help Boob?  What is your prediction?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 18, 2014, 04:11:36 PM
All I know is that if you're gonna mix it up with F-dad, then you better put on your big boob pants....   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 18, 2014, 05:13:53 PM
Lol, Now that was funny Scottie!  Well played!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 18, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
Predictions?  You want predictions.

OK , Scots win Southern Div  and beat St Norberts for the NCAA playoff berth.  Win 1-2 games in playoffs.

Bold move ?  We've been there , done that.

Right Scottie.  Big Boob pants

Go Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 18, 2014, 07:39:12 PM
Nice!  You made me spit out my coffee all over myself!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 18, 2014, 09:32:18 PM
You two are so cute together....   ;D

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 18, 2014, 10:48:15 PM
It's football time, let's get competitive in the MWC.

When will we hear from IC??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on August 23, 2014, 04:04:39 PM
Since IC information has been asked for, I'll give my opinion although I'll admit I don't know much.  Honestly, given the losses of Brimmage and then some personnel along both lines, I was fairly surprised IC was still the preseason pick in the south.  Bates at QB and the WR depth will help carry the offense, though, and I really like IC's defensive coordinator.  I don't know how good the defensive line will be, but I think the unit will be solid, but not great, overall.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 23, 2014, 08:54:51 PM
Bates is a very good Qb.  But I agree he had a good surrounding cast.  Guess we'll see what team comes out on the field.

I think we will see even more parity in the MWC this year.  Could make for an interesting season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 25, 2014, 11:01:09 AM
Tanney was cut by Tampa Bay today...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 25, 2014, 11:34:30 AM
Maybe the Rams will pick up Tanney?  Practice time is drawing to the end and he didn't see the field in pre-season.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 26, 2014, 09:49:08 PM
If not the Rams, I'm sure LFC will try to hire him as their QB Coach.  They seem to be trying to tap into the winning formula.... 


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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 27, 2014, 07:01:16 AM
Word is they are already in negotiations. .....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 27, 2014, 01:05:42 PM
So Ful  What is your assessment of the 2 QB transfers from Elmhurst and Knox?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 27, 2014, 04:30:11 PM
I've heard good things about both.  Rantis (who now joins his other 2 brothers on the team making 3, thankful I don't have their tuition bill!) is more of the dual threat needed in the Pistol and Osterbaan has a great arm and throws a very nice ball.  I haven't seen either of them on the field so I will hold back on more details until I do.  After having Scafidi for two years, who really could have played fullback, it was a difficult change to have a more one dimensional QB last year.  In my opinion the linebackers had an easier time against us, keying on the running back out of the backfield.  There were even a couple plays that the qb held the ball (cuz there were only a couple plays he did) and it looked like the linebackers didn't believe it and kept following the running back!  I can give you the link to watch it, but beware, it was from the Monmouth game and I know how touchy you can be about that. lol.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to first couple games to get a better definition of who Lake Forest is going to be this year.

So tell me about your running back who was your slot back last year?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 28, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
Michael Buehne (like Beanie)  He should do real well, if he avoids injuries. 

I was watching a practice game tape and he has the ability and quick feet to make moves as he hits the line.  He is an open space guy that will be fun to watch.

The Scots have 5-6 running backs that can play.

I really like the transfer Brandlyn Jackson a 6'5" WR.

Go to the Monmouth football page and a new article breaks it down pretty good  Coach Bell goes into pretty good detail
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2014, 05:33:01 PM
Kickoff 2014 is released!

We went live on Tuesday. As always, we appreciate those of you from this board who have subscribed. This helps us pay the bills, keeps the site free of pop-up ads and the like and makes sure we can provide quality Division III coverage across the board.

If you haven't subscribed, we would love it if you would. Thanks for supporting everything we do here at D3football.com!
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2014/08/kickoff-subscription
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 28, 2014, 10:00:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2014, 05:33:01 PM
Kickoff 2014 is released!

We went live on Tuesday. As always, we appreciate those of you from this board who have subscribed. This helps us pay the bills, keeps the site free of pop-up ads and the like and makes sure we can provide quality Division III coverage across the board.

If you haven't subscribed, we would love it if you would. Thanks for supporting everything we do here at D3football.com!
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2014/08/kickoff-subscription

It was well done... though I hope the MWC playoff representative pick is wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 05, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
Driving from New Hampshire to Wisconsin to watch the first game and all you lame ducks are sleeping.  Wake up! Season starts tomorrow!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 05, 2014, 03:05:30 PM
Week 1 Games

Beloit @ Chicago - UC
Carroll @ Lakeland - CU
Aurora @ Illinois C. - IC
Eureka @ Knox - EC
Lake Forest @ Wisconsin Lutheran - LFC
Lawrence @ Rockford - RC
Carleton @ Macalester - CC
Hope @ Monmouth - MC
Ripon @ St. Scholastica - RC
St. Norbert @ Carthage - CC

Safe travels, fulbakdad! 

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 05, 2014, 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 05, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
Driving from New Hampshire to Wisconsin to watch the first game and all you lame ducks are sleeping.  Wake up! Season starts tomorrow!

Safe travels. Very excited!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 05, 2014, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 05, 2014, 03:05:30 PM
Week 1 Games

Beloit @ Chicago - UC
Carroll @ Lakeland - CU
Aurora @ Illinois C. - IC
Eureka @ Knox - EC
Lake Forest @ Wisconsin Lutheran - LFC
Lawrence @ Rockford - RC
Carleton @ Macalester - CC
Hope @ Monmouth - MC
Ripon @ St. Scholastica - RC
St. Norbert @ Carthage - CC

Safe travels, fulbakdad! 

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)

With a few exceptions, these are some of the ugliest Week One matches I've seen in a long time with maybe THREE games that look interesting.  Just scottiesayin.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 05, 2014, 05:04:44 PM
This is one of the only times I will say I hope all the MWC teams win! We made it to the Forest to watch a very impressive storm roll through.  Pretty cool from our 5th floor hotel room.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2014, 02:14:08 PM
And......live streaming crashes after 10 minutes.  Hopefully, back soon (pardon the pun!).

So far in the All-American Bowl, the Scots and the Dutchmen are scoreless.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 02:30:17 PM
Rockford beating Lawrence 19-0 in the first quarter
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
Anyone else having trouble with the live streaming? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
No issues with SNC - but it's the Carthage feed using ustream
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 03:19:12 PM
Carthage turns interception into points. 7-0 Redmen with 6:56 left in first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 03:34:49 PM
Monmouth up 20-14

Cu up 20-7

Ripon losing, I think 20-13

LU losing 19-6

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 03:36:47 PM
Carthage turns block of 48 yard FG attempt into TD. Missed exp. 13-0. Late first
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 03:54:07 PM
SNC holds CC on defense for the first time, gets TD on ensuing drive. 13-7 CC with 9:21 left in the first half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 06, 2014, 04:17:36 PM
Any more game updates?  Can't get any video here....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 04:23:50 PM
Rockford leads LU 27-6 in mid fourth

Carthage leads SNC 13-7 at half

CSS leads Ripon 28-19 in fourth


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 04:30:17 PM
According to CC announcer:

Mon leads 30-20

CU up 33-7 on Lakeland

LU down 34-6

CSS up 28-27 on Ripon

IC and Beloit are night games
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2014, 04:41:05 PM
Good Guys win 30-20, largely due to SIX (6) interceptions!  Will have to find out of that is a school record...

The buffering on the webcast was a problem, but thanks to Puck for suggesting the other teams website to catch the stream.  "There's always Hope!" I can only assume that Monmouth Nation crashed the MC site with viewers galore.  :)  Thankfully, while waiting, I was able to get a great deal on a new suit thanks to D3Boards banner advertising.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 04:42:05 PM
Carleton and Macalester tied 14-14 with 4;08 left

Eureka scores with just over minute left to take 23-20 lead over Knox
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 04:43:18 PM
SNC scores but exp blocked. 13-13 with 13:02 left in third. 73 yard punt return
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 04:58:15 PM
Knox got ball at own 10 with 90 seconds left. Drove down to the 5. After two incompletions, opted to go for the win and the QB ran it in in the last play for A 26-23 win

I didn't see if they kicked the meaningless exp

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 05:00:27 PM
CSS beats Ripon.  Rockford beats LU
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 05:08:04 PM
SNC scores on a 20-yard reverse but misses the exp. 19-13 knights.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 05:18:46 PM
Carroll wins 33-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
After converting two fourth downs, CC fails on the third such try. SNC takes over at own 18 with 6:45 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 05:45:41 PM
SNC takes the ball down the field and helped by three CC penalties, SNC eventually scores TD on a run by Crosby. 2 point conversion no good. SNC leads 25-13

And a personal foul on CC, so SNC will kick off from 50

2:30 left.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 05:49:01 PM
DAGGER! SNC interception with 2:11 left
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 05:59:01 PM
SNC wins 25-13, scoring 25 unanswered points. Always good to get a road win, and being against a CCIW school is nice
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 06:04:32 PM
CC out gained SNC 308-266 but CC had just 15 rushing yards. Long punt return key for SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 06, 2014, 09:13:48 PM
Lake Forest up 17-0 at half.  Defense playing solid.  Offense much more balanced than last year....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 10:05:51 PM
Chicago beats Beloit 28-6

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 10:35:07 PM
IC wins 49-6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 11:02:35 PM
LFC wins 20-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 06, 2014, 11:40:40 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 06, 2014, 11:02:35 PM
LFC wins 20-14

Holds off a 4th quarter charge from Wisconsin Lutheran who scored 14 points in the final frame.

Turnovers

WLC: 3 (2 INT, 1 FUM)
LFC: 2 (1 INT, 1 FUM)

Total Offense

WLC: 367 (307 Passing, 65 Rushing)
LFC: 291 (181 Passing, 110 Rushing)

TOP

WLC: 22:57
LFC: 33:03
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 07, 2014, 08:33:04 AM
IC looked very dominant last night as their score would indictate.  My main area of concern--line play--was somewhat eased as both the OL and DL looked very strong and played well.  That being said, Aurora probably isn't much of a measuring stick.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2014, 12:01:27 PM
Good MWC showing yesterday.  7-3 I believe?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2014, 12:01:27 PM
Good MWC showing yesterday.  7-3 I believe?

Yep. Cornell & Grinnell didn't play.

Nice to see Knox get a win.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 08, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
Illinois College left.out of top25, not.even getting votes, but teams like NESCAC teams getting some.....typical.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 10:58:34 AM
It is an interesting statement that it's better to not play at all than to play Aurora if you want to get Top 25 recognition. However, I'm not too concerned because they next two games for IC will prove much more.

With 244 teams in Division III football, remember, it's twice as hard to get into our Top 25 than it is to get into the FBS Top 25. Standards are higher.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 12:45:35 PM
This looks like a really quick trigger at Lawrence:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2014/09/lawrence-coach-out-after-opener
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 08, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
I wouldn't argue your point Pat.  But that team was a lot tougher than the team Wesleyan played....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2014, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 12:45:35 PM
This looks like a really quick trigger at Lawrence:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2014/09/lawrence-coach-out-after-opener

Well, 3-18 overall, and getting spanked by a, IIRC, one-win team.  Seems odd, but maybe that was too much.

But the release doesn't say he was fired...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
That is true. It specifically doesn't say anything -- and I tried to walk that line very carefully in the piece as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on September 08, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 08, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
I wouldn't argue your point Pat.  But that team was a lot tougher than the team Wesleyan played....

So Aurora > Franklin, in your opinion?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2014, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
That is true. It specifically doesn't say anything -- and I tried to walk that line very carefully in the piece as well.
I'm told we may learn more yet today...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 08, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 08, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
I wouldn't argue your point Pat.  But that team was a lot tougher than the team Wesleyan played....

So Aurora > Franklin, in your opinion?

Franklin played Illinois Wesleyan, not Wesleyan.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on September 08, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 08, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 08, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
I wouldn't argue your point Pat.  But that team was a lot tougher than the team Wesleyan played....

So Aurora > Franklin, in your opinion?

Franklin played Illinois Wesleyan, not Wesleyan.

ahhhh...I'm getting all these Wesleyan schools mixed up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
Harris named interim head football coach

APPLETON, Wis. -- Chris Harris, the Vikings' co-offensive coordinator and offensive line coach, has been named the Lawrence University interim head football coach, Director of Athletics Mike Szkodzinski announced today.

The decision came following the unexpected resignation  of head coach Mike Barthelmess. Harris will lead the Vikings into their home opener on Saturday when Lawrence hosts Maranatha Baptist University in a 7 p.m. nonconference game in the Banta Bowl.

"I was very sorry to learn of coach Barthelmess' decision to resign as coach. The most important issue is to ensure that we maintain an excellent experience for our football players, who have dedicated so much to the team and to Lawrence," said Lawrence President Mark Burstein. "As an educational institution that values athletics as an integral part of our student's education, it is extremely important that Lawrence have a successful football program. Accordingly, we will begin a national search for the next head coach immediately."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2014, 04:15:40 PM
the emphasis above is mine

Still, odd timing. If you didn't think you could see the season through, why start? Was it that bad Saturday that you just go on? Players revolt? (I doubt that, though...) Just falling on his sword? (though I don't get that sense...)

Wonder if LU will call Jim Purtill - or if he'd take it...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 08, 2014, 06:36:24 PM
The Wes comment was a fun poke at Pat.  We had talked about this when he visited the Forest on one of his Road Trips.  He'l be glad when my son graduates this year. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 09, 2014, 01:57:29 AM
Here is hoping that nothing is wrong with his health, or his family's for that matter.

Here is the chime in from the Carroll University fan:

Well, glad my alma mater did such a fine job making me look like a horse's patute.  After keeping his presence hidden in every off-season/pre-season/spring ball post on twitter and Facebook, Lamont Williams showed up week one wearing a new number (1) and threw up a huge day.  Most of the alumni I know who follow the team had no idea he was even back in school until the Twitter feed posted a picture of him in his "1" jersey the friday before the game.  And what does he do with his surprise entrance? He goes for 73 Yards rushing with a TD and took a kick back 81 yards to the house for his second score.  Nice surprise for CU fans out there as Williams' presence makes us contenders. It is not often that one player can change a season, but I am pretty sure he is that type of dynamic athlete.  Our southpaw sophomore QB throwing for two scores was also nice to see.

After all that optimism it is still clear that the class of this league will be extremely tough to beat.  Beating Carthage the way they did is an extremely impressive win for SNC and the usual suspects atop the divisions also played well from all accounts.  With so many teams having a legit shot at making the title game this year it should be an interesting go.

Up next is Benedictine... An unusual team to schedule that I don't know what to make of... See everyone next Saturday on the boards.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2014, 10:19:34 AM
Nice discussions, all.  Glad to see that the Good Guys don't necessarily have to carry the conversation on the board right now.....although I expect they will by mid-season.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 10, 2014, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 08, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2014, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 08, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 08, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
I wouldn't argue your point Pat.  But that team was a lot tougher than the team Wesleyan played....

So Aurora > Franklin, in your opinion?

Franklin played Illinois Wesleyan, not Wesleyan.

ahhhh...I'm getting all these Wesleyan schools mixed up.

Understandable.  There are almost as many of us as Concordias.  Wesleyan is the team that no one can know about in fball, since NESCAC doesn't just shun the playoffs, they have NO out-of-conference games; in basketball, they are average at best.  In basketball, Kentucky Wesleyan used to be a dynasty in d2, but haven't heard anything about them in decades.  Iowa Wesleyan and Indiana Wesleyan are total duds in every sport I follow.  Ohio Wesleyan is usually slightly above average in several sports, but a national power in none.  Illinois Wesleyan won the basketball national title in 1997, beating Nebraska Wesleyan in the final.  Then there is Virginia Wesleyan, which won a national title in bball more recently than either ILL or KY Wes.  There may be others, but I know nothing of them.  And as far as I know, none of the other Wesleyans excel in any other sport than basketball, while Illinois Wesleyan is a frequent top 25 team in football, and won the 2010 D3 World Series.

The mind boggles - but try cataloging the Concordias! :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 12, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
Week 2 Games

Grinnell @ Beloit - GC
Benedictine @ Carroll - CU
Coe @ Cornell - Coe
Illinois C. @ Rose-Hulman - IC
Knox @ Carleton - CC
Gustavus Adolphus @ Lake Forest - GAC
Marantha Baptist @ Lawrence - LU
Macalester @ Hamline - HU
Monmouth @ Central - MC
Rockford @ Ripon - Ripon
North Central @ St. Norbert - NCC

Better looking slate of games this week, scottie?  Several intriguing match-ups, plus a few of them being played under the lights!

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 13, 2014, 06:41:14 AM
It's Hero's Day in the Forest.  One of my favorite days here. 

Best of luck to all the MWC teams today.  Last time I say that this year.....LOL.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
can't say I am too optimistic about the conference's chances today - and that includes SNC. An uphill battle against #6 North Central.

SNC has to hope NCC is sloppy in its game and doesn't have it all together, whereas SNC can correct some issues from last week. but I think SNC loses by two TDs or more...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:07:17 PM
Rockford is already beating Ripon 7-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:11:05 PM
NC goes 3-and-out. After bad punt, SNC gets some yards and then a 44-yard FG for early 3-0 lead
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:16:48 PM
Beloit-Grinnell tied 7-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:24:49 PM
SNC leads 10-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
NC has big conversion on a 4th and 9, and scores two plays later. EXP missed

10-6 SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 13, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
End of the 1st.  Lake Forest up 6-0 over Gust adolphus.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:42:28 PM
Beloit leads Grinnell 14-7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:49:02 PM
After a NC changes QBs and it doesn't do much, SNC blocks the punt. A few plays later, SNC scores. 17-6 lead SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 13, 2014, 02:54:21 PM
40 yard pass.  Gust adolphus now up 7-6.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
Sorenson with second TD catch for NC. Now 17-13 SNC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 13, 2014, 03:00:47 PM
Gust intercepts.first.play from our own 10.  Passes for a td 2 plays later.  14-6
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 03:00:58 PM
GAC scores again, lead LfC 14-6

Rockford up 7-6 on Ripon
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 03:02:38 PM
Rockford up 14-6

Beloit & Grinnell 14-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 03:09:26 PM
NC rolling now. Sorenson another TD (pushed off?). NC leads 20-17 with 1:11 left in half
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 03:12:56 PM
Ruled a fumble. NC returns for TD. 27-17 up on SNC. Huge swing.  :(
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 13, 2014, 03:19:36 PM
Field goal  attempt from 42 out.  Good!  Lake Forest cuts it to 14-9.  7 seconds left.in the half.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 03:22:48 PM
Half
North Central 27
SNC 17

Half
Beloit 24
Grinnell 14

Half
Ripon 14
Rockford 14

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 03:48:35 PM
Carleton leading Knox 28-0

and that's it for me... need to take daughter to soccer game...

here's hoping for some MWC second half comebacks..
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 13, 2014, 03:51:05 PM
Opening drive Gustavo scores on a 20 yard td pass.  21-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 04:48:48 PM
Now 51-17 north central
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 05:09:05 PM
Final: NC 51-17 over SNC.

Ripon beats Rockford 24-14
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 05:45:12 PM
Carleton beat Knox

Gustavus beat LFC

Carroll beat Benedictine

Beloit beat Grinnell
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 08:19:41 PM
Lawrence up 7-0 on Marantha Baptist
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 08:32:41 PM
LU with 60 yardish TD pass. Now up 21-0
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 13, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Lawrence up 28-0 at the half

Monmouth leads Central 25-21

Hamline leads Macalester 9-6 just before half

Coe leads Cornell 14-7 at the half

Rose Hulman leads IC 37-33 in the third
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2014, 11:00:12 PM
Final
Monmouth 28, Central 21 - Down 21-7 at the half, Monmouth completed a nice comeback for the road win tonight.

In progress...
IC and Rose-Hulman are tied 68-68 going into their third overtime (video game numbers being put up by both sides!)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 13, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
IC lost 74-68.  The defenses actually showed up and played a bit in the OTs.  Either that, or the offenses just got really, really tired!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2014, 12:37:15 AM
Final
Marantha Baptist 0
Lawrence 59
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 14, 2014, 05:04:39 PM
scottiehappy!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2014, 11:48:55 AM
Scottie.  I saw Roop ' s former best friend from the Marine Corps on Saturday at the Forest.  Sounded like Roop went very fast and unexpected.   Too bad.  He was fun on this board.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 15, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
Thanks for the Roop-date, F-dad.  We all miss that guy a lot.  BUT, you see what America's Team did to Grinnell yesterday....AND you see who is on tap for Beloit over the next two weeks!  I'll be very interested to watch for the funny bounces, and will be looking for them IN PERSON on 10/3.  I'll breathe deeply if we get out of that game with a W and then will cross my fingers that the Good Guys don't match up with them again in the MWC playoffs.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 15, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
Week 2 report from a Carroll perspective...

Another week, another drubbing of a lesser opponent by the Pioneers. I was hoping that Benedictine would have come into Schneider Stadium as a crafty unknown team willing to test Carroll's unproven defense, but that just was not the case. They kept the game close for a quarter and a half, but committed so many sloppy penalties that if almost became comical to watch. They gave Carroll plenty of time to get the offense on track and by midway through the 3rd the game was over.

Another banner day for Lamont Williams, putting up 3 scores to go along with Burlingame's 229 yards and 2 TD performance. Defense also played well, however they were able to pin their ears back and take chances based on the lead.

The only major negative to take away is that the kicking game is atrocious.  This is now the 2nd week with a missed extra point. There will come a time this season where making a kick will be big, and I hope that we get it figured out by then.

Lake Forest on the road next week and a true test for the defense to start conference play. We will learn quite a bit about this team on Saturday. Until then, enjoy the week.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 15, 2014, 05:49:02 PM
Geager,

From the Lake Forest side....

I'm not sure what to take after the last two weeks to be honest.  Lake Forest two weeks ago played a nice game.  Up 20-0 they let Wisc Luth get back into the game after a couple "young player" mistakes.  But That was what I was expecting to see from time to time after the flushing of senior talent at the end of last year.  But over all, the Offense played well.  Very balanced.  Qb managed a nice game.  On Defense they played better than I was expecting.  Some real impact freshman players opened my eye's a couple times.  So I left happy. 

Then this Saturday they stayed close to a very good team for 2.5 quarters.  Unfortunately for them there are 4 to the game.  Then a very good Gust Adolph team opened up and took advantage of some holes that were there due to a couple injuries and missing players.  Good coaching job by them.  But I'm not so sure that's this years LFC team. 

Like you, I think this weekend will answer much bigger questions for me. 

About all I think I got from the past two weeks is we beat the teams we should have (MWC teams that is) and lost to the ones everyone thought we would.  Just as in all over the OOC games around D3 by scores that weren't expected.  Not too many surprises.  Except they sent the IC basketball team to play Saturday night, or so the score said....  The only thing I think I drew is we should be ready for an exciting MWC season, but not have much expectations once it ends.  My big hope was IC would put it together on both sides of the ball and go somewhere.  But that was kind squashed when I saw how many points their defense gave up.  But you never know.  Guess we'll see.

Here's to a fun year!

The Gunny
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 17, 2014, 09:26:23 AM
Scottie's Wednesday Words.....   Hope hosted Augustana this past weekend and won 37-27 which, in my mind, adds some extra shine to the Good Guys' week one victory. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 18, 2014, 01:30:26 PM
Any weekend predictions?  At Lake Forest it will all depend on which team shows up.  If it's the chippy aggressive one from week 1 I predict a Lake Forest win.  If the week 2 shows up, it'll be gloomy in the Forest for Homecoming.

Here's to hoping Lamont has the same kind of day he did last year!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 18, 2014, 03:26:22 PM
The Good Guys are on a Bye week, so I expect the board to be a little slower than usual until the 24th or so.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 19, 2014, 12:52:49 AM
Any predictions on the Blue-boys at St. Norbert?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2014, 02:37:52 AM
IC by 3 plus TD's.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2014, 02:43:11 AM
I am assuming of course that the receiver's aren't still too tired to play after last week.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 19, 2014, 12:32:29 PM
F-Back  Good one  What happens if it rains--still IC by 3TD,s
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2014, 12:45:14 PM
Week 3 Games

Carroll @ Lake Forest - CU
Grinnell @ Luther - LC

Slow weekend around the MWC leading up to a nice schedule of games for next Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2014, 05:06:09 PM
Unless jt's raining leprechauns it'll be a long day for the Green guys...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2014, 05:07:37 PM
And Mav of course you pick CU.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 19, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
F-Dad: Since both teams play the Good Guys in the weeks directly ahead, I wouldn't mind seeing a very, um, competitive game between The U and LFC.  How about a 3OT game with no broken bones, but lots of bruises?   ;)  And, may the better team win!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2014, 11:56:42 PM
Scottie, you forgot to say "No tip toeing out of bounds!"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 20, 2014, 11:40:17 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 19, 2014, 05:07:37 PM
And Mav of course you pick CU.

Believe it or not, I actually picked LFC to start with...but decided to change it just to get under your skin. ;)  Sorry if I hurt your feelings. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 20, 2014, 12:13:17 PM
Dude.  After working in a max prison for 24 years and 20 in the Marine Corps it would.take a whole lot.more than that! Lol.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 20, 2014, 06:31:24 PM
28-7

Lamont only 69yards!  What happened???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 21, 2014, 02:14:31 AM
Lamont took the opening kick of the 2nd half back 97 yards... That's what happened. (My full recap to come this week, but it was a much better game than the score indicated)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 21, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Based on the last two posts, I was convinced that LF won that game.  Glad I did my research to verify that The U won, although I suppose an absence from F-Dad should have been another clue.  Despite the score, I hope it was a real slobber-knocker.   :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 21, 2014, 05:20:19 PM
I'm guessing by the offensive numbers in the boxscore that weather was a factor in the LF-Carroll game yesterday?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 21, 2014, 06:11:59 PM
Little weather effect.  Travellers so unable to write much.  Will be back tomorrow and post....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 22, 2014, 04:06:35 PM
Weekly report from the Carroll perspective:

My take away from the game in Lake Forest is this.  Lake Forest isn't as bad as a lopsided 28-7 loss... and Carroll isn't as good as a lopsided 28-7 victory. That being said, the Pioneer faithful are highly encouraged by the fact that this team seems to make the most of their opportunities and makes the big play when they have to.  Here is my recap.

If there is one thing that Lake Forest can take from this loss, it is that their young defense is poised to be a force for years to come.  As Dad pointed out last week, the LFC defense is very talented, yet very wet behind the ears.  However, they kept the Foresters in the game all afternoon.  Carroll had not turned the ball over in its first two games of the season.  That story changed Saturday.  LFC was able to intercept Burlingame 3 times, and was also able to force Lamont to cough the ball up once (which is a rare occurance).  Carroll had a strong touchdown drive early in the first half, but floundered the entire half otherwise.  If I were a LFC fan, their performance would be encouraging.

However... sadly for LFC the Carroll defense is just better.  The CU defense may be the surprise of the conference, playing at an extremely high level despite losing key pieces to graduation last year.  To this point, Carroll has allowed 21 points over three games, and no team has scored on them more than once.  They have also been able to completely control the line of scrimmage and have virtually shut down opponent's running games.  For the third week in a row, the D's play (and a few stupid penalties). Kept Carroll in the game until the offense could start firing.  Once that happened, it was all over for the Foresters. 

Finally, possibly our biggest takeaway from this game, is that it is probably not smart to kick the ball to Lamont Williams.  For those of you who did not see it, Lamont took the second half kickoff to the house to break a hard fought 7-7 tie.  The momentum swing was so significant you could even tell on MWCTV.  After the return, LFC was on their heels for the rest of the afternoon and Lamont took over from then on.

In the end, it is hard not to be encouraged by a 3-0 start coming back home for week 4. the Scotts are a tough team, and having momentum going into that game is key, and the boys accomplished that by beating LFC in front of their homecoming crowd.  Also, for the first time in god knows how long, Carroll swept the players of the week.  Lamont took the honors home on both Offense and special teams (despite having what I would call one of his worst games at tailback in a Carroll Uniform despite the scoring) and Mark Sahli's strong performance got him the nod on defense.  Pretty impressive.  Have a great week everyone and see you on the boards next Saturday.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
I think my view is gonna be a little different than yours Geager...

Hat's off to Carroll for the win.  It's notable anytime you go into someone else's Homecoming and leave with a win.  Usually your fighting a larger than normal crowd and a team trying to impress them.  Carroll did what they needed to accomplish that. 

What I saw different is I really didn't think either team was impressive overall.  That stats reflect that when you look at them.  230 total yards offense for Carroll and 205 for Lake Forest?????  Weather had no effect on them. 

The Lake Forest Offense so far this year has played one good half.  The first half of the first game.  Since then we've been stuck in neutral.....No sustained drives, few long plays, etc. It's difficult to watch.  I am really hoping this isn't a replay of last year.  They really are much better than they are playing.  I believe you will get a better read on your defense next week.  I wouldn't be able to gauge how good your defense is on this weeks game.

The defense is doing ok.  Some flashes of brilliance with a mix in of some young player mistakes.  In a year or two I agree, I think they have the potential to be a powerful force.  But we are playing some young guys.....

As far as Williams goes.....I can only talk about the games I've seen him in.  And I think you missed a few if you think this was his worst.....

Two years ago, he had 5 carries for negative 1 yard and walked off the field in the middle of the game.  No apparent injury, throwing his stuff all over the place as he went.  Last year he had 19 carries for 63 yards.  About the same average per carry as Saturday, 3.3.  But when you look, he had one long carry that day, a 41 yarder that was a broken cut back run.  Take one away and it was a very bad day.  And as I remember, he left the game in the middle of the 4th......This week the first half he was repeating again.  At the half he had about 10 yards I think??? And walked off the field again tearing off his tape again.  I thought he wasn't coming back again.  But someone must have gotten to him and he did come back and had the nice kick off return to open the second half.  I can't tell you what he did against the rest of the league, but from what I've watched of him, he seemed to abandon his team a couple times in key points of games.  Comparing him to lets say Trey Yocum last year for Monmouth, I'd take Yocum any day.  He stuck with his team, Had a bad day, but kept fighting till the end.  But then again, I like fighters.  Ask Scottie, no tip toeing out of bounds, right!

So I think we'll see next week when you play Monmouth.  I've been wrong before.  Ask many of the readers here.

lol

So off to Beloit!


Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 22, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
F+Back,  Very impressive analysis.  We will see next week how things are beginning to stack up across the MWC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2014, 09:51:20 AM
Um, as far as the MWC running back comparisons with Yocum go, I think this should be VERY limited and exclusive company....

4573 career rushing yards
25 career 100+ games
159 ypg in 2013
60 career rushing TDs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 23, 2014, 12:36:04 PM
I only used Yocum as a comparison because when he came to Lake Forest last year he had a similar non productive day.  65 some on yards.  Not what a feature back would normally be doing a victory dance about.  But never, never gave up during the game.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 23, 2014, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 23, 2014, 09:51:20 AM
Um, as far as the MWC running back comparisons with Yocum go, I think this should be VERY limited and exclusive company....

4573 career rushing yards
25 career 100+ games
159 ypg in 2013
60 career rushing TDs

Just for comparison sake, I did a quick tally of Cecil Brimmage's career rushing stats from IC's website.  Had to pull them from end of year write-ups because IC doesn't seem to have a career statistics/record board on their website.

4,020 career rushing yards
39 career TDs
157 yards/gm in 2013

Not sure if Yocum missed many games during his career.  If not and if Brimmage had stayed healthy during his junior year (which can never be assumed for a football player, especially an RB), he would have been close to Yocum's career yardage.  However, big difference in rushing TDs.wow
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 23, 2014, 10:33:56 PM
Yocum is fourth on the conference career rushing list:

INDIVIDUAL RUSHING YARDS - CAREER Yards Player, School, Years
6,125 Carey Bender, Coe, 1991-94
5,325 Brad Olson, Lawrence, 1993-96
4,792 Steve Dixon, Beloit, 1990-93
4,578 Trey Yocum, Monmouth, 2010-13
4,442 Scott Reppert, Lawrence, 1979-82
4,117 Troy DeVoe, Ripon, 1998-01
4,020 Cecil Brimmage, Beloit, 2010-13

Third in single season touchdowns, rushing:
INDIVIDUAL RUSHING TOUCHDOWNS - SEASON TDs Player, School, Year
29 Carey Bender, Coe, 1994
24 Lamont Williams, Carroll, 2012
21 Trey Yocum, Monmouth, 2011

Second in career rushing touchdowns:
INDIVIDUAL RUSHING TOUCHDOWNS - CAREER TDs Player, School, Years
71 Carey Bender, Coe, 1991-94
60 Trey Yocum, Monmouth, 2010-13

He's not in top 10 for single season or career carry average:
YARDS PER CARRY - SEASON (min. 5 carries per game)*****
YPC Player, School, Year
9.7 David Fee, Lake Forest, 1998


YARDS PER CARRY - CAREER (min. 2 seasons & 120 carries)
YPC Player, School, Years
7.3 Rob Berger, St. Norbert, 2007-10

Yocum tied for top in most career 100 yard games:
100-YARD GAMES - CAREER Games Player, School, Years
25 Trey Yocum, Monmouth, 2010-13
25 Steve Dixon, Beloit, 1990-93
25 Brad Olson, Lawrence, 1994-97

Wasn't one of the conference players to lead D3:
NCAA DIVISION III ANNUAL RUSHING CHAMPIONS
Year Yards Player, School, Yards
1975 1,116 Ron Baker, Monmouth
1980 1,223 Scott Reppert, Lawrence
1981 1,410 Scott Reppert, Lawrence
1982 1,323 Scott Reppert, Lawrence
1993 1,718 Carey Bender, Coe
1994 2,243 Carey Bender, Coe
1995 1,760 Brad Olson, Lawrence


Bender also has season average mark:
RUSHING YARDS PER GAME - SEASON Yards Player, School, Year
224.3 Carey Bender, Coe, 1994
164.5 Lamont Williams, Carroll, 2013
159.0 Trey Yocum, Monmouth, 2013
157.4 Cecil Brimmage, Illinois Co., 2013
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 24, 2014, 09:32:20 AM
What is your data source?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2014, 05:29:38 PM
The conference website.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2014, 11:11:09 PM
I wonder who is atop the QB career stats???   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2014, 07:14:08 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 24, 2014, 11:11:09 PM
I wonder who is atop the QB career stats???   ;)

http://www.midwestconference.org/documents/2014/7/8/MWCRECORD.pdf
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 25, 2014, 09:31:44 AM
Thanks.  My question was basically rhetorical in nature.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 25, 2014, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 25, 2014, 09:31:44 AM
Thanks.  My question was basically rhetorical in nature.   ;)
I know... but Tanney doesn't hold every record, so I thought I'd post it
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 26, 2014, 08:50:03 AM
Picks of the week?  Anyone?  Anyone?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 26, 2014, 02:55:19 PM
Week 4 Games

Cornell @ Ripon - RC
Illinois C. @ St. Norbert - SNC
Lake Forest @ Beloit - LFC
Lawrence @ Knox - KC
Macalester @ Grinnell - MC
Monmouth @ Carroll - MC

There you go scottie!  I hope f-dad is reading and sees that I picked his Foresters to win this week.  Looking forward to seeing how these North/South match-ups play out this weekend--appears to be some quality games in there.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 26, 2014, 02:57:23 PM
Yes, two potential GOWs that will go a long way toward the playoff match-ups.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on September 26, 2014, 03:24:11 PM
I'm taking St. Norbert and Monmouth in the big game matchups.  IC's defense is a huge cause for concern, and Monmouth had two very impressive OOC wins. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 26, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
Thank  you Titian
You may not know but you are going contrary to Pat Coleman's pick of Carroll over Monmouth in the DIII Triple Take column this morning
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2014, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: grboob on September 26, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
Thank  you Titian
You may not know but you are going contrary to Pat Coleman's pick of Carroll over Monmouth in the DIII Triple Take column this morning

Actually, I only said Carroll would be on people's radar, which they have not been to date.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 26, 2014, 06:17:23 PM
Pat,

So you are not picking winners anymore?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 27, 2014, 08:00:58 AM
I'm sticking with IC and picking Monmouth.  Both by convincing scores.  Are there any Leprechauns about to fall from the sky today in the Midwest? 

Gonna miss today's games here.  But get to see son #2 play in his high school game.

Best of luck to LFC!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 27, 2014, 05:26:45 PM
IC builds a 27-6 lead but SNC comes back for a 32-27 win!

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 27, 2014, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 27, 2014, 08:00:58 AM
I'm sticking with IC and picking Monmouth.  Both by convincing scores.  Are there any Leprechauns about to fall from the sky today in the Midwest? 

Gonna miss today's games here.  But get to see son #2 play in his high school game.

Best of luck to LFC!

Looks like you were a little off today...better not go to Vegas with those handicapping skills. Tough one for the Foresters too.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 27, 2014, 06:41:14 PM
A "storm the field" type of day in Waukesha.  The U 32-27 over the Good Guys.  :-\
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 27, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
So St Norbert's and Carroll dominate the southern division of the  MWC going into Season #2
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 27, 2014, 10:05:03 PM
Quote from: grboob on September 27, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
So St Norbert's and Carroll dominate the southern division of the  MWC going into Season #2

"Dominate"?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on September 27, 2014, 11:09:12 PM
Thanks Maverick  I forgot the ? after dominate.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 28, 2014, 08:55:10 AM
Bad day in Mudville!  Tried watching streaming on my phone but could only get bits and pieces of the game.  LFC shouldn't have lost that game for sure though.  They are at a crossroad.  Time to decide which path they will take.  My other sons high school even got trounced.

I looked at the halftime score of the IC/SNC game and thought all was as I expected.  What happened in the second half?  Each year for the past 4 IC picks at least one game to have a stinker.  Wonder if this is their only one.......

What happened with the CU/Monmouth game????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2014, 09:50:09 AM
Had a family wedding so I couldn't go to SNC/IC but I watched the fourth quarter after I got home

Simply put, IC suddenly couldn't move the ball and SNC could. The first TD was the end of a drive that started in the third quarter. After that, IC couldn't string together more than five/six plays before punting. A long TD run and a long pass helped SNC put together quick drives to get five possessions in the quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 29, 2014, 01:59:31 PM
Another week, another Carroll take on a victory...

College football is a marathon, especially at the division III level. Getting too excited or two depressed after any one game is usually a big mistake. That being said, it's hard not to be pumped about this victory if you are a fan of the U...

Last Saturday was the most complete game we have played, and we played that way against a quality opponent. Monmouth is a big physical offense that moves the football extremely well, and has a defense that swarms to the football on nearly every play. I was truly impressed by the brand of football they play. However, I wasn't nearly as impressed by them as I was by the effort of the pioneers.

On offense Carroll was nearly flawless. Burlingame bounced back from the 3 interception outing he had a weak earlier and made plays with both his arm and his legs. He converted key third downs with accurate throws to the boundary and made several excellent reads on QB draws for demoralizing gains in the second half. To complement that, LaMont was the dominant LaMont. despite having his effort questioned last week, he rose to the occasion with several punishing runs and found the endzone three more times. It is likely true that his production was a product of a more balanced attack through the air, but he was great by any measure. At the end of the day, if Carroll can put together that kind of effort on a weekly basis, they can play with anyone in the MWC.

Defensively, it was the ability to adjust at half that was truly impressive. The Scotts seemed to be scoring at will in the first half, putting up three scores with little resistance... However, Carroll got their assignment mistakes fixed in the second half and only allowed 1 score in the final 30 min. My only concern coming out of the game on defense is a fear that they are susceptible to the big-play in the secondary. Going forward it will be imperative for the defensive line to sustain pressure to avoid giving up big gains over the top.

All-in-all this is a banner win for the program. Monmouth has spent the past decade operating on a higher plane than CU. The seniors decided on Saturday that maybe it's time to buck that trend. Now, the Green Knights loom on the horizon. Getting SNC at home may be the biggest break Carroll has had all season. This year's SNC team is two things... Extremely talented, and extremely beatable by the first team willing to step up and play four quarters against them.  I will spend the next week wishing it is this Carroll team, knowing full well what a tall order that is. Week 5 could very we'll decide the MWC this year, and it's exciting to be a part of it.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2014, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on September 29, 2014, 01:59:31 PM
Week 5 could very we'll decide the MWC North this year, and it's exciting to be a part of it.

fixed your post
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on September 29, 2014, 01:59:31 PM
The Scots seemed to be scoring at will in the first half, putting up three scores with little resistance...

Fixed your post s'more. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 30, 2014, 09:35:03 AM
Thanks for the editing... Difficult to keep it all together on an iPhone waiting for judges in court... My analysis still remains the same however.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 28, 2014, 08:55:10 AM
Bad day in Mudville!  Tried watching streaming on my phone but could only get bits and pieces of the game.  LFC shouldn't have lost that game for sure though.  They are at a crossroad.  Time to decide which path they will take.  My other sons high school even got trounced.

F-Dad: I wouldn't take this loss too bad.  Most likely, there were outer-worldly entities at play.  My only hope is that the bounces aren't quite as extreme when Beloit comes to visit the Good Guys.  There will be a scottiesighting this weekend (you're welcome, ladies), and I will be watching for random bolts of lightning coming from above.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 02, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
Scottie,

One of the turning points of the game was a 4th and goal at the 1 yard line for the Foresters.  My son said there were 12 players on the field for the defense, but when I looked at the tape after, there was a big hole between two of the D tackles.  The LFC running back ran into that hole for what appeared to be a touchdown, and it looked like he hit a brick wall.  I counted the players on the tape and there were only 11.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
F-Dad:  I will go ahead and nominate that as a candidate for Post of the Year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 03, 2014, 05:43:49 PM
Hey thanks Scottie.  As you can see, my K +/- ratio is lagging.  Always good to be notice.  lol.  But instead of paying attention to my posts, you should be getting ready to pay attention to the field.  Keep counting the guys on the other team this weekend.  You never know when that sneaky buy is gonna show up!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 03, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
Didn't get this done earlier today...time to make some Friday night picks!

Week 5 Games

Beloit @ Monmouth - MC
Grinnell @ Lawrence - LU
Knox @ Macalester - MC
Ripon @ Illinois C. - IC
St. Norbert @ Cornell - SNC

scottie - See ya in the Maple City!  Wondering what kinds of funny bounces we will witness tomorrow when the Bucs come to town...maybe the clouds will form into the words "Mt. Monmouth" right before those bolts of lightning.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 04, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
Is ESPN correct? Did SNC lose in the pre-Carroll trap game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 08, 2014, 02:40:27 PM
Slow going on the boards this week.  Everyone must be reaching high levels of productivity at their respective places of work over the past few days. :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 08, 2014, 04:04:08 PM
I'm not busy.  Just have been trying to look up what a Pre Carroll Trap game is......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2014, 10:03:56 PM
One wonders if a pre-Carroll trap game matters all that much if the loss is against a "southern division" team.  It seems to scottie, that north v. north W-L comparisons might be more significant when MVC playoff time approaches.

One also wonders if a wounded SNC team is what Carroll really is hoping for this weekend.....   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 09, 2014, 01:31:39 PM
Highly doubt SNC would overlook a solid Cornell team who they beat by a combined total of 7 points in two years.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 09, 2014, 02:34:21 PM
Who said SNC was going to overlook Cornell?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on October 09, 2014, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 09, 2014, 02:34:21 PM
Who said SNC was going to overlook Cornell?

SNC should - Cornell owns the worst decade long football record in IIAC history.  I can't believe they got any better going back to the MWC.  Playing the Rams should be a Saturday off for everybody.   ::)

Sorry, Cornell.  I've missed picking on you.  I really do wish you all the best.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 09, 2014, 04:37:41 PM
I agree with the above post in that I am not necessarily all that happy that SNC lost before us.  First, it doesn't do Carroll any good that they lost out of the division.  Second, any potential weaknesses that were exploited by Cornell were likely corrected by the Green Knights this week after watching the tape.  However, I still think that SNC did lose to a team that they are better than.  Whether it was because they were looking down the schedule or not remains to be seen. I guess we will have our answer in 72 hours... What a weekend in the MWC coming up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 09, 2014, 08:32:56 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on October 04, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
Is ESPN correct? Did SNC lose in the pre-Carroll trap game?

fulbakdad,

I took the above question as in did SNC lose to Cornell because they overlooked them because they play Carroll this week. Maybe that's not what Gaeger meant. 

I don't buy it. SNC is too good of a program to make that mistake. They were outplayed in the second half and Cornell was the better team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 10, 2014, 02:00:04 PM
Week 6 Games

Cornell @ Grinnell - CC
Lake Forest @ Knox - LFC
Monmouth @ Illinois C. - MC

Beloit @ Lawrence - BC
Macalester @ Ripon - MC
St. Norbert @ Carroll - SNC

These next 5 weeks should be alot of fun with every divisional game being important.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 10, 2014, 05:45:58 PM
Mav,

Agree with your picks but I think Ripon at home (or homer) should win against Maclester.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2014, 11:15:11 AM
I pick IC and Carroll different...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
anyone else having problems with Stretch?  Can't get the Lake Forest game.  This sucks......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2014, 03:25:23 PM
Lake Forest up 13-3 almost the end of the first.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
End of the first half.  Lake Forest over Knox 20-3.

Any other scores?  none up yet....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2014, 04:20:00 PM
oh my, Carroll up 30-6 over SNC.......7 left in the game.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 11, 2014, 04:44:53 PM
IC beats Monmouth 31-24.  Someone else will have to provide the details.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 11, 2014, 04:53:36 PM
I think you can pencil Carroll into the championship game.  I don't see them losing to Beloit, Lawrence or Ripon.  Maybe the trip to St. Paul in November gets them? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2014, 05:33:15 PM
Lake Forest wins 27-6 over Knox.  Nice rebound game.  Still a young team making some mistakes, but a much better showing. 

Charlie Quinn with a big day running the ball, 179 yards....

And a much better day for my odds making.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 11, 2014, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: TitanPride on October 11, 2014, 04:44:53 PM
IC beats Monmouth 31-24.  Someone else will have to provide the details.

I was enjoying Homecoming festivities, but this is the gist of it.  IC's offense came out hot early and took advantage of I believe 3 Monmouth first quarter turnovers to build a 24-10 halftime lead.  The game sort of swung on a missed opportunity by IC in the second quarter when they recovered a pooch kickoff that Monmouth failed to field.  Monmouth's defense held, though, and the Scots basically dominated the end of the 2nd quarter, all of the third, and even most of the fourth and ended up coming back to tie it at 24 before IC scored with maybe five minutes left to seal the win.  Honestly, Monmouth outplayed IC for the most part--especially their defense in the second half--but IC did enough early and very late to prevail.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 12, 2014, 04:38:51 AM
Hey Titan,  SNC would need them to lose 2 of those games in order to take the first spot I believe.  Because if they only lose one then SNC would lose the first tie breaker (head to head)......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on October 12, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 09, 2014, 10:19:34 AM
Nice discussions, all.  Glad to see that the Good Guys don't necessarily have to carry the conversation on the board right now.....although I expect they will by mid-season.   ;)
Wouldn't even need to check the scores to be able to tell that SNC has lost their last two MWC games....  It seems all of the "regular" SNC posters are nowhere to be found on the boards now that SNC has lost a couple of games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TitanPride on October 12, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 12, 2014, 04:38:51 AM
Hey Titan,  SNC would need them to lose 2 of those games in order to take the first spot I believe.  Because if they only lose one then SNC would lose the first tie breaker (head to head)......

Exactly right, fulbakdad.  My thought is only Macalester is left to challenge Carroll.  They are at Beloit and home against Lawrence over the next two weeks.  I think they should be able to get both of those.  Then that sets up home against Carroll and at Norbert.  Guessing those are two losses, but would be a fun finish if they are undefeated.  I think Mac running the table is the only thing that keeps Carroll out of the Championship.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 12, 2014, 01:59:24 PM
And I would like it noted that I was not the FIRST to notice how quiet it has been in Norberts land, but I did notice ! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 12, 2014, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 12, 2014, 01:59:24 PM
And I would like it noted that I was not the FIRST to notice how quiet it has been in Norberts land, but I did notice ! :)

I'm still here. Some of us aren't glued to computer-phone 24-7. You have to give all the credit to Carroll. No doubt who the better team was yesterday. Having an extra week to prepare certainly helped but not 24 points worth. St. Norbert certainly in a rebuilding mode at this point. Struggling to make plays.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 13, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
I will preface this by saying that it may be a bit insufferable... But here is my week 6 recap from a Carroll point of view.

Plain and simple, this is the biggest win in the last 20 years, and some could argue the biggest win in the program's history.  A 17 year itch has been scratched and we finally got over a hump that myself, and many others before and after I could never overcome.  I could not be more proud of this team, and to be a CU football alum. Most of us football alum have been watching as the program has grown over the years.  Watching as a new stadium was built (I actually played 3 seasons on Schnieder Stadium), the Quad Graphics Center was erected, a Nike Elite contract was signed, the Van Male Student Athlete Center was renovated and a HD Video Scoreboard was put in has been something to see.  However, none of these improvements mean a thing until you beat Saint Norbert an win this thing.  Now that we have slayed Goliath, we have a real shot at winning this thing.   

I would also like to note that my excitement about this victory should speak volumes about the SNC program.  Year in and year out the MWC goes through De Piere, and that reputation is well earned.  Even if they are in a "rebuilding" mode, you can tell from the young talent on the field that it won't take long. 

Now to the game.... I am going to say it because it needs to be said... Utterly Dominant. All phases of the game... And for the second time this season, both the Offensive and Defensive Performers of the Week play in Waukesha.

Offensively Burlingame  had a game for the ages.  It appeared to me that SNC lined up and said "LeMont Williams is not going to beat us, and you are going to have to find another way."  Burlingame didn't disappoint.  He through for two touchdowns and ran for one.  His big plays also were backbreakers for SNC, highlighted by a 50+ yard td pass and two td runs where he seemed corralled before breaking lose for 6.  Lamont still put up 60+, and didn't play poorly.  But Carroll road the hot hand in Burlingame, and he deserves all the credit in the world.
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Defensivly, consistent QB pressure was the name of the game. 5 sacks and relentless defensive play led to two key turnovers (int and forced fumble).  Klapper was named defensive player of the week based mostly on the big interception he had in the second half.  However, this was truly a team effort. 179 total yards on offense for SNC is really the stat that tells the story.  Amazing Amazing Amazing performance.

Next week is prime for the proverbial "hangover loss."  However, Carroll's favorable scheduling helps us out again on that front.  It just so happens that next week is homecoming, and a massive "orange out" crowd is expected to be in attendance.  This should create the atmosphere necessary to prevent a letdown.  The excitement amongst the alumni base has been amazing and this has been fun to watch.  As a university Carroll has swelled to over 3,200 enrolled students, and it appears that the entire school is behind him.  Also, the little town of Waukesha Wisconsin has jumped on the bandwagon.  With all of the excitement, it is my sincere hope that this team can keep it rolling.  We  beat SNC... its a great feeling... but it is historic if we go on to win this thing... Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2014, 03:00:27 PM
Insufferable?  Good description. ;)

I see the Fighting Gaegers (yep, going with that nickname for now) got some love and took the headline story in this week's Around The Midwest column.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2014, 12:20:09 PM
Week 7 Games

Illinois C. @ Grinnell - IC
Monmouth @ Lake Forest - MC
Knox @ Cornell - CC

Macalester @ Beloit - MC
Ripon @ St. Norbert - SNC
Lawrence @ Carroll - CU

Make winning plays and tough one out on the road!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 17, 2014, 01:50:02 PM
Come on.  Gotta stop picking so predictably!  Have a little fun!  Lake Forest wins in OT and Ripon slides past SNC....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2014, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 17, 2014, 01:50:02 PM
Come on.  Gotta stop picking so predictably!  Have a little fun!  Lake Forest wins in OT and Ripon slides past SNC....

How about you stop picking so predictably?  Why don't you have a little fun!  Monmouth wins 31-10...no tip-toeing out of bounds and no OT necessary. ;D  Seriously though, 5 out of those 6 games look like easy picks--IC and Cornell are no-doubters, along with the entire North division this weekend.  I think the only game that looks like it could be close is the Scots/Foresters match-up.  I guess we'll have to make that the "scottie.com Game of the Week!" :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 17, 2014, 04:33:21 PM
Any tip toeing will be immediately flagged tomorrow.  Already talked to the refs.  Where is Scottie on this VERY important week?

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 18, 2014, 11:30:04 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 17, 2014, 04:33:21 PM
Any tip toeing will be immediately flagged tomorrow.  Already talked to the refs.  Where is Scottie on this VERY important week?

Good question.  He should be present since he is the name sponsor for the game of the week.

Will you be in the forest for today's game?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 18, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
I am here on the sideline.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 18, 2014, 04:19:18 PM
Ugly day in the Forest....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 18, 2014, 04:25:08 PM
It sure looked pretty on my computer screen. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 18, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
I'm sure it did Mav.  That was the best MWC team I've seen this year.  Not sure about your Qb.  He left with what looked like a serious shoulder injury, but your back up did just enough to keep you offense on the field.  Hope he's ok...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2014, 06:47:18 PM
Congrats to the Good Guys, who saw the forest for the trees this afternoon.  Sorry I couldn't make the game. Busy getting my local team bowl eligible today. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 18, 2014, 09:43:50 PM
Based purely on the stats, it appears that IC did exactly what they should have done in Grinnell today and took care of business.  Although, the run stats don't look very promising.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2014, 12:55:22 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 18, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
I'm sure it did Mav.  That was the best MWC team I've seen this year.  Not sure about your Qb.  He left with what looked like a serious shoulder injury, but your back up did just enough to keep you offense on the field.  Hope he's ok...

I saw that during the webcast and wondered how serious it might be since he never returned to the game.  The LFC webcast guys didn't really mention anything more about it after it happened and people I talked to after the game who had listened to the Monmouth radio broadcast said there wasn't much info shared on there either.  I guess we'll wait and see for next weekend. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 19, 2014, 01:27:05 PM
I just now saw the score of Carroll and Lawrence.  Holy Cow!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 19, 2014, 02:04:17 PM
Scottie, glad to see you on the board.  Was getting worried.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on October 20, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: Maverick on October 17, 2014, 02:40:33 PM
How about you stop picking so predictably?  Why don't you have a little fun!  Monmouth wins 31-10...no tip-toeing out of bounds and no OT necessary. ;D  Seriously though, 5 out of those 6 games look like easy picks--IC and Cornell are no-doubters, along with the entire North division this weekend.  I think the only game that looks like it could be close is the Scots/Foresters match-up.  I guess we'll have to make that the "scottie.com Game of the Week!" :D
Not bad. Only off by 3 points. Might be time to put those skills to use on a lottery ticket.  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on October 20, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
It was good to see the Rams get a win on Homecoming. The slow start was a bit concerning, considering the team they were playing. At times, it looked like they were playing down to their level. That young quarterback is fun to watch. It's nice to see some excitement come back to this program.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 20, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
A recap from a Carroll perspective... 6-0


Well, the score speaks for itself.  Carroll was able to avoid the hangover game and win in dominating fashion on homecoming. The Lawrence program is in need of a massive overhaul, but that does not take away from the historic nature of this victory.  That said, here are a few highlights that will go down in the Carroll record books.

1.  This team's 6-0 record marks the first time the school has started with 6 wins since 1936.  The '36 team went 7-0 on the season, which means that a win against Ripon this week will tie them for the best start in school history.  This is pretty astonishing considering how long Carroll University has been playing football.

2.  LaMont Williams passed Bryce Crocker and became the all time leader in rushing touchdowns in school history.  Again an amazing accomplishment considering how long the school has been at it.  This particular record being broken was a little bitter-sweet for me because I was on the field for many of those Crocker touchdowns... but the most talented back in school history now holds the record and that is the way it should be.

3.  Carroll again racks up another defensive player-of-the-week nod as Ryan Klapper takes the award again.  He played a great game, but the defense was on point as a whole.  I can't say for certain if Carroll has had more player-of-the-week nods this year than any other season, but it has to be close.

4.  The total points and total rushing touchdown numbers were bests in school history, but I think that goes without saying.

Ripon on the road next week is a major test.  Carroll is riding high, but I think that playing in front of two huge home crowds (SNC game and the usual homecoming sellout) has had a tremendous impact on the vibe of this team.  Going in to a hostile environment where the team has struggled in the past may tell the tale as to whether or not this team can run the table and advance to the title game.  Until next week...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 20, 2014, 06:50:06 PM
historic nature? before Carroll joined the MWC the last time the two teams met looks to be about 1950... that's almost prehistoric!  ;)

Congrats on the nice run so far...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 21, 2014, 06:09:20 AM
So the Defensive Performer of the week comes from a team that won by 69 points?  hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ash Park on October 21, 2014, 10:14:34 AM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on October 20, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
It was good to see the Rams get a win on Homecoming. The slow start was a bit concerning, considering the team they were playing. At times, it looked like they were playing down to their level. That young quarterback is fun to watch. It's nice to see some excitement come back to this program.

Yeah they definitely played down to their level at times but I think you get that every once in awhile with a younger team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on October 21, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
True. I wish this Saturday's game was in Mount Vernon. I think this is a good matchup to watch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 22, 2014, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on October 20, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: Maverick on October 17, 2014, 02:40:33 PM
How about you stop picking so predictably?  Why don't you have a little fun!  Monmouth wins 31-10...no tip-toeing out of bounds and no OT necessary. ;D  Seriously though, 5 out of those 6 games look like easy picks--IC and Cornell are no-doubters, along with the entire North division this weekend.  I think the only game that looks like it could be close is the Scots/Foresters match-up.  I guess we'll have to make that the "scottie.com Game of the Week!" :D
Not bad. Only off by 3 points. Might be time to put those skills to use on a lottery ticket.  ;)

Maybe I should pick the Scots to win 31-10 again this weekend. :D  If it happens, maybe skip the lotto ticket and hit Vegas?!

Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on October 21, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
True. I wish this Saturday's game was in Mount Vernon. I think this is a good matchup to watch.

Personally, I'm glad to see this one is in Monmouth. ;)  Looks like it should be another good game...with hopefully a different outcome than last year.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on October 22, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 22, 2014, 02:14:19 PM
Personally, I'm glad to see this one is in Monmouth. ;)  Looks like it should be another good game...with hopefully a different outcome than last year.
What was wrong with the outcome from last year? The good guys won and all was right in the world.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 22, 2014, 06:35:53 PM
Quote from: CaliRamRL6 on October 22, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 22, 2014, 02:14:19 PM
Personally, I'm glad to see this one is in Monmouth. ;)  Looks like it should be another good game...with hopefully a different outcome than last year.
What was wrong with the outcome from last year? The good guys won and all was right in the world.

Maybe in the world of you and Ash Park, but not in mine!

scottie - It would appear your trademark "Good Guys" is being infringed upon, but at least CaliRam showed enough respect to not capitalize it.  Thoughts?  That is assuming you're not busy with any bowl eligibility items right now. :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2014, 02:55:37 PM
All quiet around here again for a couple days.  Forecast looks great for some late October football.

Week 8 Games

Grinnell @ Knox - KC
Cornell @ Monmouth - MC
Lake Forest @ Illinois C. - IC

Lawrence @ Macalester - MC
Beloit @ St. Norbert - SNC
Carroll @ Ripon - CU

f-dad - I gotta go with IC at home, but would love to see your guys pull it off.

Looking forward to a good one in the Maple City...protect the home turf!  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 24, 2014, 03:01:32 PM
Hmmm, we may need Gaegerlaw75 to include some pro bono mediation for the board before I have a cease & desist letter drafted.   >:(

As for the 6-0 Fighting Gaegers, where is the voting love in the top 25???  ???  Oh, that's right....they're still in the MWC.   ;)   

 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 25, 2014, 12:05:30 AM
I'd be happy to donate free legal services for the betterment of the board... As far as the top 25... D3football.com has them at 26... So a road win with strong numbers should have them cracking the top 25... Part of me never thought I'd see the day... Here's hoping
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2014, 01:00:08 AM
That's not our poll.
http://www.d3football.com/top25/2014/week7
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 25, 2014, 07:59:15 AM
http://gopios.com/news/2014/10/23/FB_1023143453.aspx

I'm just going off the last paragraph of the Carroll kool-aid article
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2014, 09:27:49 AM
Well, a glance at our poll should show that's incorrect. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 25, 2014, 02:51:31 PM
Of course you're not included.  They don't except our kind there....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 25, 2014, 03:33:24 PM
Fulbakdad, have personal fouls been a problem for Lake Forest this year?  They've been called for at least four in the first half alone today?!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 25, 2014, 04:15:06 PM
Haven't been a problem all year.  This is embarrasing....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 25, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
The Good Guys win today.....the REAL Good Guys.  38-21. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 26, 2014, 06:48:56 PM
another week, another week with an undefeated MWC team getting no votes in the poll. The conference, as a whole, has to do something to get better against the other conferences...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Win a couple playoff games this year and play against and win tougher out of Conference games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 26, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
And get rid of silly recruiting restrictions.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on October 26, 2014, 07:02:54 PM
At least schedule midlevel WIAC, IIAC, MIAC and CCIW teams and beat them. Don't schedule teams like Lakeland and Benedictine, in Carroll's case.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 26, 2014, 08:03:02 PM
All correct, of course... But it takes all teams to do something.

Some teams aren't ready to schedule tougher teams - but others need to. Take some chances. SNC went 1-1 vs CCIW. There are other examples, of course.

The playoffs is the biggest thing, of course...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2014, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 26, 2014, 08:03:02 PM
All correct, of course... But it takes all teams to do something.

Some teams aren't ready to schedule tougher teams - but others need to. Take some chances. SNC went 1-1 vs CCIW. There are other examples, of course.

The playoffs is the biggest thing, of course...

Well, it doesn't take all teams to get Carroll to schedule better. At least they are playing two non-Midwest Conference games, which not everyone in the conference is.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 26, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
I know a program that would be willing to schedule Carroll.  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2014, 05:21:18 AM
All true Pat, but at least they do play out of conference games, unlike NESCAC teams do.  And most of the year there's at least one of them that gets votes....

hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 27, 2014, 10:25:08 AM
Just an FYI:  The Cornell-IC game is listed on the schedule pages as being at Cornell, but I believe IC hosts that game November 8th.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's a home game for the Blueboys.  Again, just an FYI.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2014, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 27, 2014, 05:21:18 AM
All true Pat, but at least they do play out of conference games, unlike NESCAC teams do.  And most of the year there's at least one of them that gets votes....

You can talk about this until you're blue in the face but you're really not going to get me to care about your axe-grinding on this.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2014, 01:31:55 PM
Ahhhh, I love it when relative newbies try to pick an argument with Pat.....  You have so much to learn, friends.  So much to learn....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 27, 2014, 03:14:35 PM
A Note from a Carroll Perspective,

This week's game needs little recap.  Carroll remained dominant in all three phases and Ripon continued to look lost (To be honest, there is absolutely no love lost between myself and Ripon so I am not looking to fluff them up... they suck and I don't mind it at all). 

I instead would rather discuss the lack of national recognition for the Pioneers/Midwest Conference.  While I think that the blame for this can be spread around to several different recipients, I think that absolutely zero recognition is ridiculous. 

First, I am aware that the Conference is not an A-1 top tier league.  In fact, Carroll is so aware that they have decided to leave (and will probably feel the pain of that for some time while they try to ramp up to compete with the big boys).  That said, this conference is not a total dog either.  Schools like SNC and Monmouth have great traditions of winning with excellent student athletes on their roster.  Furthermore, the recent resurgence of the programs at IC and LFC (this year has been a disappointment I know, but that program is headed in the right direction for the long team after their amazing run to a league title last year) should get a bit more credit than it does.  Nobody in the world thinks that this Conference's champion is ready to hang with the likes of Whitewater and Mt. Union, but the fact that there is absolutely zero credit given I feel is a bit outrageous. This is an automatic-bid conference who sends a winner to the NCAA tournament.  That isn't just a throw-away.   I am in agreement that non-conference scheduling could be better, but its not the easiest thing in the world to schedule a bunch of top-tier talent to start a season (especially if your program is a bit of a nation unknown itself). 

Which brings me to my second gripe with Carroll receiving no love nationally (I would like to state for the record that I am not even sure if they are a top 25 team, but I do think that they should have at least one "others receiving votes" by now).  One of my major problems with the lack of recognition is not just because they are 7-0, but because of the dominant numbers they are putting up.  1st, Carroll is amongst the tops in Div. III in total defense and points allowed.  It has been a dominant season on the defensive side of the ball and their numbers put them at the top of the nation.  2nd, the same can be said for the seasons that LaMont and Burlingame are putting up.  Each of these guys are putting up numbers that compete league wide on a week-in and week-out basis.  It is a shame that it is being ignored.  Finally, the special teams scoring this season has been pretty amazing.  Returns for touchdowns have been abundant, but it goes by the wayside.  All-in-all, I think that these numbers being kicked to the curb is an injustice and should at least be worthy of  "others receiving votes" recognition.   

Next week we are off on an overnight road trip and the toughest test remaining on the schedule.  A win all but solidifies their spot in the title game... but "perfect regular season" does have such a nice ring to it.  Until next week...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: CaliRamRL6 on October 27, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 25, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
The Good Guys win today.....the REAL Good Guys.  38-21.
well played
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 27, 2014, 06:00:19 PM
So Monmouth beat Hope (at home) and Central (Ia) on the road but lost to IC and Carroll (on the road)  What is that worth?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on October 27, 2014, 03:14:35 PM
First, I am aware that the Conference is not an A-1 top tier league.  In fact, Carroll is so aware that they have decided to leave (and will probably feel the pain of that for some time while they try to ramp up to compete with the big boys).  That said, this conference is not a total dog either.  Schools like SNC and Monmouth have great traditions of winning with excellent student athletes on their roster.  Furthermore, the recent resurgence of the programs at IC and LFC (this year has been a disappointment I know, but that program is headed in the right direction for the long team after their amazing run to a league title last year) should get a bit more credit than it does.  Nobody in the world thinks that this Conference's champion is ready to hang with the likes of Whitewater and Mt. Union, but the fact that there is absolutely zero credit given I feel is a bit outrageous. This is an automatic-bid conference who sends a winner to the NCAA tournament.  That isn't just a throw-away.   I am in agreement that non-conference scheduling could be better, but its not the easiest thing in the world to schedule a bunch of top-tier talent to start a season (especially if your program is a bit of a nation unknown itself). 

No, this is true (although Whitewater will always take Carroll's call, voters don't ask Carroll to schedule the No. 1 team in the country in order to get votes). However, there is a lot of room between scheduling Benedictine and Lakeland (a combined 7-7 and in a league that has been ranked even lower than the MWC every time (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/all-time-conference-rankings) we have ranked conferences since the NACC's inception) and scheduling a couple of more representative Division III programs. When a date became open for Carroll, they went out and added Benedictine, which is the sometime champion of the NACC, which averages the third-worst conference in D-III.

Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on October 27, 2014, 03:14:35 PM
Which brings me to my second gripe with Carroll receiving no love nationally (I would like to state for the record that I am not even sure if they are a top 25 team, but I do think that they should have at least one "others receiving votes" by now).  One of my major problems with the lack of recognition is not just because they are 7-0, but because of the dominant numbers they are putting up.  1st, Carroll is amongst the tops in Div. III in total defense and points allowed.  It has been a dominant season on the defensive side of the ball and their numbers put them at the top of the nation.  2nd, the same can be said for the seasons that LaMont and Burlingame are putting up.  Each of these guys are putting up numbers that compete league wide on a week-in and week-out basis.  It is a shame that it is being ignored.  Finally, the special teams scoring this season has been pretty amazing.  Returns for touchdowns have been abundant, but it goes by the wayside.  All-in-all, I think that these numbers being kicked to the curb is an injustice and should at least be worthy of  "others receiving votes" recognition.   

I mean, these things are nice but they are also products of playing this schedule. There are also a LOT of great performances by quarterbacks and running backs, week in and week out, in Division III. We did, however, recognize Michael Sahli on our Team of the Week two weeks ago. http://www.d3football.com/awards/tow/2014/week6

Individual stats do not result in team rankings. It's just not the way football works.

Generally if you have zero national or regional track record, voters like to wait until you've played someone. Happened the same way when it was St. Norbert. Don't even have to necessarily beat that quality team, but have to be competitive. If Texas Lutheran, for example, had been competitive vs. UMHB, they almost certainly would have moved up and gotten into our Top 25 this week.

There are 244 teams in Division III: that's one ranking slot for every 9.8 teams. In Division I FBS (I-A) there is one slot for every 5.1 teams. It is almost literally twice as hard to get into our poll. Voters are just waiting for evidence -- and don't think beating Macalester this week will do it either, since Mac beat the last-place team in the MIAC and lost to the second-to-last place team. The fact that MAC is 5-0 vs. MWC opponents says a lot about the league to voters and is a strong reminder of the gap between the two.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 27, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on October 27, 2014, 03:14:35 PM
A Note from a Carroll Perspective,

This week's game needs little recap.  Carroll remained dominant in all three phases and Ripon continued to look lost (To be honest, there is absolutely no love lost between myself and Ripon so I am not looking to fluff them up... they suck and I don't mind it at all). 

I instead would rather discuss the lack of national recognition for the Pioneers/Midwest Conference.  While I think that the blame for this can be spread around to several different recipients, I think that absolutely zero recognition is ridiculous. 

First, I am aware that the Conference is not an A-1 top tier league.  In fact, Carroll is so aware that they have decided to leave (and will probably feel the pain of that for some time while they try to ramp up to compete with the big boys).  That said, this conference is not a total dog either.  Schools like SNC and Monmouth have great traditions of winning with excellent student athletes on their roster.  Furthermore, the recent resurgence of the programs at IC and LFC (this year has been a disappointment I know, but that program is headed in the right direction for the long team after their amazing run to a league title last year) should get a bit more credit than it does.  Nobody in the world thinks that this Conference's champion is ready to hang with the likes of Whitewater and Mt. Union, but the fact that there is absolutely zero credit given I feel is a bit outrageous. This is an automatic-bid conference who sends a winner to the NCAA tournament.  That isn't just a throw-away.   I am in agreement that non-conference scheduling could be better, but its not the easiest thing in the world to schedule a bunch of top-tier talent to start a season (especially if your program is a bit of a nation unknown itself). 

Which brings me to my second gripe with Carroll receiving no love nationally (I would like to state for the record that I am not even sure if they are a top 25 team, but I do think that they should have at least one "others receiving votes" by now).  One of my major problems with the lack of recognition is not just because they are 7-0, but because of the dominant numbers they are putting up.  1st, Carroll is amongst the tops in Div. III in total defense and points allowed.  It has been a dominant season on the defensive side of the ball and their numbers put them at the top of the nation.  2nd, the same can be said for the seasons that LaMont and Burlingame are putting up.  Each of these guys are putting up numbers that compete league wide on a week-in and week-out basis.  It is a shame that it is being ignored.  Finally, the special teams scoring this season has been pretty amazing.  Returns for touchdowns have been abundant, but it goes by the wayside.  All-in-all, I think that these numbers being kicked to the curb is an injustice and should at least be worthy of  "others receiving votes" recognition.   

Next week we are off on an overnight road trip and the toughest test remaining on the schedule.  A win all but solidifies their spot in the title game... but "perfect regular season" does have such a nice ring to it.  Until next week...

I was going to respond at length to this too but Pat already beat me to it. Carroll to be brutally honest hasn't beaten anyone. Monmouth hasn't won a title in a long time without a Tanney at the helm and this is the worst team St. Norbert has had in at least 20 years. Ripon has their worst team since the 80s. It's been a perfect storm for Carroll this year but they'll still have to win on the road to win the MWC title. Even if they beat Illinois in the title game Illinois lost to an average St. Norbert squad. Carroll might just get that date with Whitewater or Bethel and then we'll know for sure.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 27, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
Hee hee hee...... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2014, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 27, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
Carroll might just get that date with Whitewater or Bethel and then we'll know for sure.

If Carroll runs the table they won't get Whitewater. They might get Bethel but Bethel is at best the fourth-best team in this area. Whitewater, then Wartburg, then Linfield (who they won't get because of geography), then Bethel or Wheaton.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
A few thoughts...

* Carroll is aware the MWC is  a lower tier league so that's why it's leaving. Hmmm. Let's see - the fact that you did a LOT of boasting about Carroll's ONLY win against SNC in the 17 years of being in the conference goes to show that CU certainly hasn't been the top program in this conference. I don't quite get how it will make more NCAA tournaments going to a tougher league. The CCIW was a higher tier when CC left, so not sure how it will any different for CU when it returns.

* The best MWC teams can hang with the big boys. SNC was down 17-7 in the third quarter to UWW last year and lost by 24. That was a closer margin than the Mount Union loss in the title game (I'm NOT arguing that SNC would have beaten MTU, BTW. I'm guessing UWW took Mount Union a bit more seriously than it did SNC.)

* For any MWC team to get any respect, the conference has to do better in the playoffs - and the same MWC team has to be on the radar for more than one year. IIRC, just SNC and Monmouth have playoff wins. But with the series of titles, and a few close playoff loses, that at least put SNC in the minds of voters. CU hasn't got that 'brand recognition'.

* Some schools have sought out better teams, as Pat noted. A sampling of who SNC has played in the last decade or so in non-conference: St. Thomas, John Carroll, North Central, UW-Whitewater. SNC hasn't won many - but they went out and played them. Marian & Lakeland are a lot closer - and they haven't shown up on our schedule.

* I don't think the fact that the MWC has an autobid is much to hang your hat on. I think 24 conferences get them. (Correct me, here, please.) In this regard, the MWC is fortunate that the NCAA operates national tournaments, not tournaments with the best 32 teams. I have friends who are WIAC backers who continually bitch that the 2nd WIAC team should get a bid instead of the MWC champion because the WIAC 2nd could actually compete for the title. Most years, the WIAC 2 is going to be a better team than the MWC 1, but the NCAA wants national tourneys. But we're not a lot different than several leagues in that regard.

* The stats argument - especially on defense - isn;t going to get you far. Holding Lawrence - ranked in the bottom 20 or so nationally in the D3FB preseason rankings - to just six points isn't going to impress anyone. UWW is holding WIAC teams to 203 yards (4th overall) while CU is 20th against inferior competition.

* One problem that the MWC can't escape is geography. We play, literally, in the shadow of the WIAC. And except in hockey, we always pale in comparison. And we are almost always going to face them in the playoffs at some point because of proximity. The WIAC is a D2 conference in D3 clothing in some ways (resources, facilities, etc). If the MWC weren't in the WIAC's backyard, it might be easier to garner better comparisons.

Again, IIRC, the WIAC has the most NCAA team titles of any conference. And the MWC has zero. (SNC's four titles in hockey aren't representing the MWC.)

That said, it's a great opportunity. Last year, SNC men's hoops beat UWO and lost to UWW by just nine. Then winning a playoff game against Ohio Wesleyan helps the reputation. But you have to play them to beat them.


Trust me, Gaeger - as a SNC fan I feel your pain as much as anyone. Hoping for some recognition. Hoping for a playoff draw that's NOT UWW in the first round - or maybe even, gasp, a home game. Or wishing for a second playoff bid for the conference. But it's a patience thing - and a long term thing. If CU can run the table, the rest of the conference better cheer for them (or IC, or whoever) in the playoffs because that helps all of us. But for a team that hasn't been on the national stage, it's not coming yet.

That was why my original post on this was lamenting the conference's situation - not specifically about a lack of respect towards the Pioneers specifically. UWO comes out of 'nowhere' with a good football team and wins the WIAC a few years ago and the national respect is instanteous because it IS the WIAC. The MWC isn't there...

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 27, 2014, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Again, IIRC, the WIAC has the most NCAA team titles of any conference. And the MWC has zero. (SNC's four titles in hockey aren't representing the MWC.)

MWC has one team national title. 1981 Men's Cross Country by Carleton College when they were still part of the Midwest Conference
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2014, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on October 27, 2014, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Again, IIRC, the WIAC has the most NCAA team titles of any conference. And the MWC has zero. (SNC's four titles in hockey aren't representing the MWC.)

MWC has one team national title. 1981 Men's Cross Country by Carleton College when they were still part of the Midwest Conference

I stand (partially) corrected. It was 1980.
http://www.ncaa.com/history/cross-country-men/d3

Still, not exactly a national force year-in-year-out

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2014, 10:05:14 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Marian & Lakeland are a lot closer - and they haven't shown up on our schedule.

Well, in fairness, Marian doesn't have football ...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
 
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2014, 10:05:14 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Marian & Lakeland are a lot closer - and they haven't shown up on our schedule.

Well, in fairness, Marian doesn't have football ...

;D details, details... 

OK, Rockford College hasn't shown up on our schedule. Or maybe I should use Marantha Baptist as the example...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 28, 2014, 12:13:15 AM
 Here is an obscure fact.

Monmouth presently is rated #7 in DIII Strength of Schedule  with 246 teams listed  (according to D3 Football (NCAA stats)

So everyone else in the MWC needs to step it up.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 28, 2014, 08:28:08 AM
Carroll did crack the Top 25 in the coaches poll. (#24)
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 28, 2014, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: grboob on October 28, 2014, 12:13:15 AM
Here is an obscure fact.

Monmouth presently is rated #7 in DIII Strength of Schedule  with 246 teams listed  (according to D3 Football (NCAA stats)

So everyone else in the MWC needs to step it up.

Everyone:

#8 - Monmouth
#8 - Ripon
#15 - Lake Forest
#72 - St. Norbert
#95 - Beloit
#110 - Carroll
#142 - Grinnell
#183 - Illinois College
#194 - Cornell
#209 - Lawrence
#230 - Knox
#239 - Macalester

http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=3

that's five teams in the bottom 50 overall.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 28, 2014, 09:01:47 AM
And the WIAC... for comparison

#3 - UW Eau Claire
#10 - UW La Crosse
#12 - UW Stout
#69 - UW River Falls
#154 - UW Stevens Point
#156 - UW Platteville
#183 - UW Oshkosh
#210 - UW Whitewater


Obviously UWW can't play itself, so that drops it a bit in comparison to others. UWEC played St. Thomas, St. John's and Wheaton ...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2014, 09:05:47 AM
I think The Good Guys got up to #8 in the rankings several years ago, and regularly were making the lower end of the top 25 during other MWC championship seasons. Years earlier, they made a clear decision to schedule much better competition (albeit not the best....kudos, dangler and puckfan).  Bottom line: It takes a few years to get on the national radar and the voters aren't quite so impressed with one-hit wonders.  In my scottieopinion, by this point in the season, The U should probably eek out at least one vote somewhere in the "others receiving" category. But I'm not surprised at the snub thus far.   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on October 28, 2014, 10:18:48 AM
Do any MWC fans that would like to see top 25 votes think Carroll is better than St. Thomas?  If we go by Massey Ratings, Carroll is ranked 64th just ahead of UW-La Crosse at 65th.  St. Thomas beat La Crosse 46-0.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2014, 11:12:11 AM
Hey AO - Try cutting the Prozacs in half!  Carroll receiving one (1) top 25 vote would not mean they are better than the mighty Tommies, who currently have 11 votes after getting knocked out of the rankings.  Okay?  Take a deep breath and calm down....  There, that's better.  (BTW, I saw your campus and stadium a few weeks ago.....awesome!)

I took the liberty of researching the bottom four vote getters in the D3Football rankings, since we're on that site...., looking at their W-L records & who any losses were to, and whether or not Carroll has a case to receive their vote:

Franklin (3 votes): 6-2. Losses to #1 UWW, and to Illinois Wesleyan (3-4).  The UWW game, while impressive on the schedule, was a 42-13 blowout.  They hung with IWU, 42-35, but IWU is terrible....absolutely terrible!  Yes.

Heidelberg (2 votes): Losses to #7 John Carroll and #3 Mount Union.  Nope.

Muhlenberg (1 vote):  6-1.  Loss to #9 John's Hopkins (7-0).  Nope.

Ithaca (1 vote): Losses to Buffalo State (5-2) and Frostburg State (3-5).  Yes.
   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 28, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
Those strength of schedule ratings, in my opinion, are a relatively poor indicator of how strong one's schedule actually is.  Looking at Ripon's schedule, for example, its strength is aided by the fact that they have played an undefeated Saint Scholastica, an undefeated Carroll, and a one-loss Macalester.  None of those teams have played a difficult schedule by any stretch of the imagination.  To contrast, Macalester's strength of schedule takes a hit because of - well, pretty much everyone, but it seems silly to hold the records of Carleton and Hamline against them because they play in the MIAC, an undeniably tougher conference than the MWC.  Additionally, they can't control who they play in-conference; if they happened to be paired with the two worst teams in the south division, so be it.  I realize there isn't a good alternative to strength of schedule beyond opponents' win-loss, but these ratings really need to be taken with a grain of salt. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on October 28, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
Maybe the solution regarding ranking is for Carroll fans to just ignore the DIII top 25 rankings and just follow the AFCA top 25 rankings.

Then, get the MWC automatic Playoff bid and proof it on the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 28, 2014, 01:26:37 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on October 28, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
  I realize there isn't a good alternative to strength of schedule beyond opponents' win-loss, but these ratings really need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Some strength of schedule formulas include opponents' opponents record... that adds another layer

But point well made
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on October 28, 2014, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 28, 2014, 11:12:11 AM
Hey AO - Try cutting the Prozacs in half!  Carroll receiving one (1) top 25 vote would not mean they are better than the mighty Tommies, who currently have 11 votes after getting knocked out of the rankings.  Okay?  Take a deep breath and calm down....  There, that's better.  (BTW, I saw your campus and stadium a few weeks ago.....awesome!)

I took the liberty of researching the bottom four vote getters in the D3Football rankings, since we're on that site...., looking at their W-L records & who any losses were to, and whether or not Carroll has a case to receive their vote:

Franklin (3 votes): 6-2. Losses to #1 UWW, and to Illinois Wesleyan (3-4).  The UWW game, while impressive on the schedule, was a 42-13 blowout.  They hung with IWU, 42-35, but IWU is terrible....absolutely terrible!  Yes.

Heidelberg (2 votes): Losses to #7 John Carroll and #3 Mount Union.  Nope.

Muhlenberg (1 vote):  6-1.  Loss to #9 John's Hopkins (7-0).  Nope.

Ithaca (1 vote): Losses to Buffalo State (5-2) and Frostburg State (3-5).  Yes.

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :) :) :)  Here are some smiley faces to let you know that I'm not upset.

I think it's an honest question.  Maybe you all would put St. Thomas much higher in the rankings than Carroll and just kick out some other teams.  Just making a point of how good you have to be to make the top 25 out of 244 teams.  Making the top 100 is a big achievement for Carroll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2014, 03:09:27 PM
A perfect example of a team worthy of getting ranked in the top 25, while playing in a weak conference is Franklin. This is a successful team that rarely wins their non-conference games (which are always against tough programs), but breeze through a relatively weak conference schedule. Then they enter the playoffs, which they hardly ever get out of the second round.

It was in 2006 when Franklin first started playing at a high level in the HCAC, but they never cracked the top 25 until week 9....the following year! So history tells us that in order for "new" dominate teams (that play in a weak conference) to get top 25 respect, they almost have to wait a year to get noticed....while replicating their success from the previous year.

In Carroll's case, if they can do it again next season then they will start receiving the votes they've been looking for. It doesn't hurt to win a playoff game this year either  :). As well as scheduling tougher teams, even though there's a good chance Carroll might lose them (which would be more beneficial in the long run).

Edit: As much as we would like to believe the top 25 is based on current data...there is an element of historical consideration as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on October 28, 2014, 04:20:42 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2014, 03:09:27 PM
A perfect example of a team worthy of getting ranked in the top 25, while playing in a weak conference is Franklin. This is a successful team that rarely wins their non-conference games (which are always against tough programs), but breeze through a relatively weak conference schedule. Then they enter the playoffs, which they hardly ever get out of the second round.

It was in 2006 when Franklin first started playing at a high level in the HCAC, but they never cracked the top 25 until week 9....the following year! So history tells us that in order for "new" dominate teams (that play in a weak conference) to get top 25 respect, they almost have to wait a year to get noticed....while replicating their success from the previous year.

In Carroll's case, if they can do it again next season then they will start receiving the votes they've been looking for. It doesn't hurt to win a playoff game this year either  :). As well as scheduling tougher teams, even though there's a good chance Carroll might lose them (which would be more beneficial in the long run).

Edit: As much as we would like to believe the top 25 is based on current data...there is an element of historical consideration as well.

Not meaning to pick on you 02 but this is the fourth instance I've seen of this today (not just on this site) so we need some internet wide class.

Dominant= a team is dominant, they keep winning their conference, nobody can stop them and they are always on top for a long period.
Dominate= UMU and UMHB continually go out and dominate teams, winning by 50+ margins or, their defensive line just dominated the opposing offensive line.

Just a little pet peeve, I'm all good now.  :-X
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on October 28, 2014, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on October 27, 2014, 03:14:35 PM
I instead would rather discuss the lack of national recognition for the Pioneers/Midwest Conference.  While I think that the blame for this can be spread around to several different recipients, I think that absolutely zero recognition is ridiculous. 

First, I am aware that the Conference is not an A-1 top tier league.  In fact, Carroll is so aware that they have decided to leave (and will probably feel the pain of that for some time while they try to ramp up to compete with the big boys).  That said, this conference is not a total dog either.  Schools like SNC and Monmouth have great traditions of winning with excellent student athletes on their roster.  Furthermore, the recent resurgence of the programs at IC and LFC (this year has been a disappointment I know, but that program is headed in the right direction for the long team after their amazing run to a league title last year) should get a bit more credit than it does.  Nobody in the world thinks that this Conference's champion is ready to hang with the likes of Whitewater and Mt. Union, but the fact that there is absolutely zero credit given I feel is a bit outrageous. This is an automatic-bid conference who sends a winner to the NCAA tournament.  That isn't just a throw-away.   I am in agreement that non-conference scheduling could be better, but its not the easiest thing in the world to schedule a bunch of top-tier talent to start a season (especially if your program is a bit of a nation unknown itself). 

Which brings me to my second gripe with Carroll receiving no love nationally (I would like to state for the record that I am not even sure if they are a top 25 team, but I do think that they should have at least one "others receiving votes" by now).  One of my major problems with the lack of recognition is not just because they are 7-0, but because of the dominant numbers they are putting up.  1st, Carroll is amongst the tops in Div. III in total defense and points allowed.  It has been a dominant season on the defensive side of the ball and their numbers put them at the top of the nation.  2nd, the same can be said for the seasons that LaMont and Burlingame are putting up.  Each of these guys are putting up numbers that compete league wide on a week-in and week-out basis.  It is a shame that it is being ignored.  Finally, the special teams scoring this season has been pretty amazing.  Returns for touchdowns have been abundant, but it goes by the wayside.  All-in-all, I think that these numbers being kicked to the curb is an injustice and should at least be worthy of  "others receiving votes" recognition.   

Better non-con games (and being competitive in them), sustained success, beating top 25 teams (and those receiving votes) and especially, playing well in the playoffs, will all produce these effects.

As for the stats argument, the numbers are greatly diminished because of the competition Carroll has faced (that's not meant as a slam). If those stats were being put up in the WIAC, MIAC, CCIW or E8 they would be considerably more substantial. Yes, Carroll has been dominant defensively, but it's coming against teams that any Top 50 D would dominate.

To give you a concrete example. Last year St. Scholastica played Bethel in the first round. Statistically, you'd have said the game should be pretty even. Probably even advantage CSS. They had incredible D stats, yds/play offensively, QB rating and scoring O/D. But those numbers came against really poor competition. CSS had been unbeaten in the regular season for several years, but was getting no love 'nationally' in terms of Top 25 votes.

The reason they were getting no love is because, despite their immaculate regular season records and ridiculous stats, they had no history of being good, and then a history of getting double monkey stomped in the playoffs.

Bethel beat CSS 70-13, and it could have been worse.

This season, Carroll needs to do well in the games that have some sort of measurable tie in to better teams. Aka, destroy a team like Macalester. Mac lost 23-13 to Hamline, the 2nd worst team in the MIAC. Here's what Top 25ish MIAC teams did to Hamline:

GAC 48-19   
SJU 49-28
BU  38-14   
UST 62-24   
C-M 42-7

More importantly, win out and prove respectable on the national stage. Then, go out next year and prove it wasn't a fluke.

Or, as a short cut, win out the regular season and win a 1st round playoff game. That will all but guarantee that Carroll is ranked in the only poll that really matters, the final one!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 28, 2014, 05:51:05 PM
I have only been on this board for 4-5 years now.  Obviously not an expert like many who post.  But because I have been following a lot of the teams in the Northeast prior to coming here and have been following the MWC very closely since my boy has been playing here, I feel I have some exposure to more than many who post in the MWC board.  Not saying I'm more knowledgeable, just seen more of a variety of teams from different leagues.  We are nowhere near the level of play in the Liberty League or Empire 8. 

That being said, I have always had a problem with the D3 top 25 lists.  Not the actual top 20 or so teams that seem to hang around up there, but when you go from 20 down to the teams receiving votes.  Gieger, you being a lawyer could probably argue a decent case if you ever brought it before a judge, that there is discrimination keeping some out of that club.  Watching teams in the lower grouping I've seen every year at least one team, if not 2 getting votes from the NESCAC.  As much as I enjoy getting a rise out of a reader or two when I post my disdain, I feel I have grounds to bitch when they are on that list and MWC teams are left off.  We play out of conference (most of us) and send a team to compete in the tournament.  NESCAC plays an 8 game season never leaving their back yard.  Last year, Trinity was on the bubble of cracking the top 25 a couple weeks.  Ludicrous I say! lol

Now Gieger, I also have to say I don't think Carroll is up to that level yet either.  From what I've seen of teams actually making a wave in the playoffs, you need to have a balanced offense with a killer defense.  Your offense is made up of a back that has shown to have off days.  Your passing attack isn't worrying to many D coordinators getting ready for the second season.  Taking that into consideration, you are one injury or bad game away from being stuck in neutral.  IMHO anyways.  The other two teams that are going to compete for the playoff spot are Monmouth and IC.  Monmouth has a very good tandem running back set, but I don't think their QB is at a level to bring them anywhere yet either.  And Bates at IC is the QB that could cause a lot of problems, but I don't think their running game is good enough right now and how healthy are their top receivers?  Am I the only one who thinks the MWC is actually pretty weak this year?

I really don't think that we deserve a top 25 ranking right now.  Again IMHO.  To be honest, I really don't see who is at the top spot after the next 3 games.  I'm not sold Carroll wins the last game....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 28, 2014, 05:57:34 PM
And Pat,

I won't be on much longer, my son's last game is in 3 weeks.  Hope not to turn blue then.

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2014, 07:20:53 PM
I think my last post got yanked off the site.  What???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 12:18:19 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 28, 2014, 07:20:53 PM
I think my last post got yanked off the site.  What???

I haven't deleted any posts from anyone in a few weeks. If you have questions about your most recent posts, here's the list:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=541

Quote from: grboob on October 28, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
Maybe the solution regarding ranking is for Carroll fans to just ignore the DIII top 25 rankings and just follow the AFCA top 25 rankings.

They might rank MWC teams but that doesn't make it accurate. One of my favorite examples of this was the year I cited earlier when St. Norbert was ranked higher than its first-round playoff opponent in the AFCA poll, and was ranked lower than its first-round opponent in our poll. And the team ranked higher in our poll won the game, of course.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 12:22:54 AM
Another salient example, the 2012 playoffs:
http://www.d3football.com/top25/2012/week11

Remember that Bethel played Concordia-Chicago. In our poll, Bethel was 21 and Concordia unranked.
In the AFCA Top 25, Concordia was 18 and Bethel 23.

Concordia, the home team, lost to Bethel.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 29, 2014, 01:43:46 AM
Boy is it fun to see people with an extraordinary amount of DIII football knowledge and passion debate a topic.  I truly think that everyone who has posted has made solid points.  I challenge any D1 board to have an entire conversation without some idiot screaming Roll Tide! and not making one solid point.  Kudos to all of you.

That said, I am now going to make the somewhat useless comparison to the Div. 1 AP top 25 and how that poll is set up.  In analyzing that poll it is clear to see that teams from marginal conferences get recognition for doing "all that they can with the games on their schedule" in order to crack the top 25.  The team I equate this year's Carroll to is Marshall.  In the AP poll Marshall is ranked 23rd and has an overall 8-0 record. They have dominated C-USA, which is a mid-major conference with several automatic bowl bids.  However, when looking at their schedule (Miami OH, Akron, Rhode Island, Ohio, Old Dominion, Mid Tenn State, FAU and FIU), it is pretty weak.  They have blown out each team they have faced, and done the best they can with the schedule they play... and thus the AP has awarded them for doing so.  However, I was in Lexington Kentucky last week for the Miss. St. v. UK game and I can tell you this... Marshall is a .500 team at best in the SEC.... At Best.... Furthermore, I think that if they were to play either USC, Wisconsin or Stanford (the teams who are in the AP "others receiving votes" category), they would likely lose at least 2 of 3 in those games.  However, it is clear that the AP recognizes the communal nature of Div. 1 football, and the idea that dominance in a sanctioned conference in Division 1 athletics deserves a nod as the nations best.   

So, I guess my overall point is that I am just trying to find any logic I can to get my 7-0 Pioneers some recognition and I think that if the Associated Press can do it, so can D3football.com.  Ranking systems are  imperfect, but I think that one main element to them is a human one, that recognizes the accomplishments of teams playing well in a league.

Note:  I know that in 99.9% of circumstances there is a fundamental flaw in comparing DIII and D1 football (for better or worse... half of the big ten sent less players to NFL rosters last year than teams from Div. III) , but when it comes to national rankings I think the comparison isn't so bad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
Except there are only half as many teams in D-I FBS so it's easier for Marshall to get into that poll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on October 29, 2014, 08:58:01 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
Except there are only half as many teams in D-I FBS so it's easier for Marshall to get into that poll.

Exactly what I was going to say.

In terms of comparison, it's like saying Carroll is a top 50 team. If we had a poll like that and they weren't ranked, you'd have a legit beef.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on October 29, 2014, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
Except there are only half as many teams in D-I FBS so it's easier for Marshall to get into that poll.
I would say there is also more parity in D1.  The gulf between the top 10% and the bottom 25% of D3 seems insurmountable, whereas the bottom 10% of D1 still has 85 full scholarship athletes who can play physically with a top 25 team.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 29, 2014, 08:59:21 AM
While I wasn't defending or pointing a finger at either side of the debate in my ghost post, one researchable request (by someone who has more access to the numbers than I do....Pat??) was:  How many undefeated teams remain in D3 this season, and how many of those are not included in the Top 25 or Others Receiving Votes (ORVs)? 

Now, scottie, review and hit "post." 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 09:03:32 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 29, 2014, 08:59:21 AM
While I wasn't defending or pointing a finger at either side of the debate in my ghost post, one researchable request (by someone who has more access to the numbers than I do....Pat??) was:  How many undefeated teams remain in D3 this season, and how many of those are not included in the Top 25 or Others Receiving Votes (ORVs)? 

Now, scottie, review and hit "post."

Undefeated and not in the top 25

MIT
Amherst (receiving three votes)
St. Scholastica
Carroll
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 09:04:07 AM
This is off the top of my head but I believe we're talking about Carroll, MIT and St. Scholastica as unbeaten-but-unvoted teams.  Believe Amherst has a vote or two.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 09:04:07 AM
This is off the top of my head but I believe we're talking about Carroll, MIT and St. Scholastica as unbeaten-but-unvoted teams.  Believe Amherst has a vote or two.

Impressive....I had to look it up.  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 29, 2014, 09:58:58 AM
Thanks.....interesting. 

Pat: Are you dressing up as Ken Jennings for Halloween for the 10th year in a row?   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 11:15:21 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 09:04:07 AM
This is off the top of my head but I believe we're talking about Carroll, MIT and St. Scholastica as unbeaten-but-unvoted teams.  Believe Amherst has a vote or two.

Impressive....I had to look it up.  ;D

That's alright -- the topic has been raised a few times in the comments on Top 25 pages.

I'm spending my Halloween at the Millsaps-Berry game in Georgia. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on October 29, 2014, 11:33:52 AM
Come one, come all!

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2014, 04:30:42 PM
Looks like we're the last region to get one of these started up. So, I'll be happy to organize one if we can get at least 10 reliable voters. We can use D3football.com's West Region (http://www.d3football.com/teams/west) team list as eligible teams to consider. I'm hoping to get two or three people from each conference to participate, if possible. With no more than one representative/fan from each school.....just to have a fair and unbiased poll as possible. Since we're halfway through this season already, I will probably won't start until the 2015 season.

This could be fun, considering (as we all know) the West is where the power conferences in DIII reside  :P  ;)

So if you're fan of a West region team (MIAC, WIAC, MWC, IIAC, SCIAC, UMAC, or NWC) and interested in doing this next year, you can send me a message or sign up here:

1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

Here's your chance to see Carroll ranked  ;) :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 11:36:13 AM
That's true -- and with a win Saturday, Carroll would surely be in the NCAA's West Region ranking as well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 29, 2014, 11:39:23 AM
It should probably be a voter from either SNC or MC, if we want to go with the safe odds.....    ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 29, 2014, 03:35:05 PM

MIT
Amherst (receiving three votes)
St. Scholastica
Carroll

And the three voters above should have their voting privileges revoked for ignorance!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 29, 2014, 03:35:05 PM

MIT
Amherst (receiving three votes)
St. Scholastica
Carroll

And the three voters above should have their voting privileges revoked for ignorance!

Ignorance is assuming that three votes come from three separate voters. Don't let your vendetta blind you to how a Top 25 poll works, dad.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 06:37:10 AM
No, you're poll is right Pat.  In accordance to your poll, Amherst would beat Springfield, Framingham, Ithaca, Endicott, Illinois College, Carroll, and would lose in a close game to Gust Adolph.....

Right............
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on October 30, 2014, 07:36:23 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 06:37:10 AM
No, you're poll is right Pat.  In accordance to your poll, Amherst would beat Springfield, Framingham, Ithaca, Endicott, Illinois College, Carroll, and would lose in a close game to Gust Adolph.....

Right............
You really can't claim "the poll says" based on anything below the top 25 since that likely only represents the opinion of a small minority of the voters.  Every voter that didn't put Amherst in their 25 might put them at 75 if they kept ranking.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 08:47:14 AM
The poll speaks with the numbers that it produces.  Therefore I believe I can claim "the poll says". Maybe it's a flaw with the poll?  I have always found it interesting when somebody defends why some are in the rankings or getting votes, but refuse to look at the same type of reasoning that says some others should be on it or left off.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on October 30, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 08:47:14 AM
The poll speaks with the numbers that it produces.  Therefore I believe I can claim "the poll says".

No, you really can't, at least not when you're arguing for the poll 'speaking' in regards to those who are receiving votes.

It's a common misnomer to continue ranking those receiving votes by their totals.

So the argument often goes: Others receiving votes: 26. Thomas More 16; 27. Montclair State 12; 28. St. Thomas 11; 29. Salisbury 9; 30. Guilford 8; 31. Texas Lutheran 6; 32. Gustavus Adolphus 4; 33. Amherst 3; 34. Franklin 3; 35. Heidelberg 2; 36. Ithaca 1; 37. Muhlenberg 1.

But that's not at all what the 'poll is saying.' Why? Because no one has been asked to rank the Top 37 teams, they were asked to rank the top 25. So Amherst has 3 votes. It doesn't mean they're 'ranked 33,' it means someone ranked them 23, one voter had them 24 and one at 25 or 3 voters had them at 25 (though Pat seemed to dispel this notion).

For all we know, if the voters had been asked to do a Top 30, let's say, GAC might have ended up at 26. Because along with the 4 votes they got in the Top 25, there were numerous voters who had them just outside their ranking, but now by extending it, would slot them. We simply have no idea who the voters would put at at 26-30. All we know is that a a few voters have slotted these teams 'receiving votes' in their top 25. You might assume that the 'top' teams in the 'receiving votes' category would be most likely to be ranked in the Top 30. But it's just that, an assumption. The poll has said nothing about who is ranked 26-30. Hence why these teams are labeled receiving votes and not with numbers 26 and following in front of their names.

For all we know, there might be 10 voters who would have Carroll at 27 if the poll went to 30, but none of whom see them as Top 25 yet. But we have no idea, because the Top 25 poll is silent about who is 26 and beyond.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 10:49:27 AM
Using that same logic then any team that is in the top 25 that was left on any voters ballot doesn't belong there.  They might have been brought down using the same reasons. ..

Your poll is a collection of votes.  Amherst received 3 votes by some way.  That is one more than Gust Adolph.  More than Ithaca, etc.  Your votes put them there...


And pleas stop.  My -Karma is getting wacked!  Ruining my week! Lol...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2014, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: hazzben on October 30, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 08:47:14 AM
The poll speaks with the numbers that it produces.  Therefore I believe I can claim "the poll says".

No, you really can't, at least not when you're arguing for the poll 'speaking' in regards to those who are receiving votes.

It's a common misnomer to continue ranking those receiving votes by their totals.

So the argument often goes: Others receiving votes: 26. Thomas More 16; 27. Montclair State 12; 28. St. Thomas 11; 29. Salisbury 9; 30. Guilford 8; 31. Texas Lutheran 6; 32. Gustavus Adolphus 4; 33. Amherst 3; 34. Franklin 3; 35. Heidelberg 2; 36. Ithaca 1; 37. Muhlenberg 1.

But that's not at all what the 'poll is saying.' Why? Because no one has been asked to rank the Top 37 teams, they were asked to rank the top 25. So Amherst has 3 votes. It doesn't mean they're 'ranked 33,' it means someone ranked them 23, one voter had them 24 and one at 25 or 3 voters had them at 25 (though Pat seemed to dispel this notion).

For all we know, if the voters had been asked to do a Top 30, let's say, GAC might have ended up at 26. Because along with the 4 votes they got in the Top 25, there were numerous voters who had them just outside their ranking, but now by extending it, would slot them. We simply have no idea who the voters would put at at 26-30. All we know is that a a few voters have slotted these teams 'receiving votes' in their top 25. You might assume that the 'top' teams in the 'receiving votes' category would be most likely to be ranked in the Top 30. But it's just that, an assumption. The poll has said nothing about who is ranked 26-30. Hence why these teams are labeled receiving votes and not with numbers 26 and following in front of their names.

For all we know, there might be 10 voters who would have Carroll at 27 if the poll went to 30, but none of whom see them as Top 25 yet. But we have no idea, because the Top 25 poll is silent about who is 26 and beyond.

Superb post.

AO also makes a salient point.

fulbakdad...please...just stop.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2014, 11:17:21 AM
Focus on the regional rankings when they are released fulbakdad.  They're the rankings that count.
And + karma for you because 1. I hate to see anyone taking a beating simply because they disagree with someone else and 2. I think the whole applaud/smite thing is incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2014, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 06:37:10 AM
No, you're poll is right Pat.  In accordance to your poll, Amherst would beat Springfield, Framingham, Ithaca, Endicott, Illinois College, Carroll, and would lose in a close game to Gust Adolph.....

Right............

The "poll" doesn't say that.  One voter who ranked Amherst at #23, or two voters who ranked them #24/25, or three voters who ranked them #25, gave Amherst vote(s) ahead of the teams listed there.  That's hardly equivalent to "the poll says that Amherst would beat Teams X, Y, and Z who have fewer votes than they have received."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on October 30, 2014, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2014, 10:49:27 AM
And pleas stop.  My -Karma is getting wacked!  Ruining my week! Lol...

+k from me as well. While I disagree with your opinion/argument, I support your inalienable right to make it  :) ;)

I'm with badgerwarkawk. Don't get overly concerned with the Karma thing. People with great Karma might merely be great at kissing up. I only (rarely) ding a person who has said something highly offensive. Never just for an opinion I disagree with. These boards would be inane if it was all about group think.

On the flip side, I try to be pretty liberal with applauds for posts that are salient, represent great respect/sportsmanship, shed new light on a subject or just flat out funny. And because I realize there are some stupid serial smiters out there.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2014, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2014, 11:17:21 AM
Focus on the regional rankings when they are released fulbakdad.  They're the rankings that count.
And + karma for you because 1. I hate to see anyone taking a beating simply because they disagree with someone else and 2. I think the whole applaud/smite thing is incredibly stupid.

just for that I'm giving a +1 to both of you...  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 30, 2014, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 30, 2014, 11:36:37 AM
I'm with badgerwarkawk. Don't get overly concerned with the Karma thing. People with great Karma might merely be great at kissing up. I only (rarely) ding a person who has said something highly offensive. Never just for an opinion I disagree with. These boards would be inane if it was all about group think.

Agreed.  +K for everyone on this page!  Hugs all around!

Even AO!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
Sure, why not.  +K to all of you "visitors" who have come to the MWC board for some honest and intellectual debate.  And, yes, even to AO who probably just came over here to stir things up....   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on October 30, 2014, 01:44:36 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 30, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
Sure, why not.  +K to all of you "visitors" who have come to the MWC board for some honest and intellectual debate.  And, yes, even to AO who probably just came over here to stir things up....   ;D
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2014, 03:19:27 PM
Dammit!   ;D 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 31, 2014, 01:45:55 PM
Holy crap, I miss a few days on the board and it turns over with several new pages!  No time to get in on any arguments now...here's the picks.

Week 9 Games

Monmouth @ Grinnell - MC
Lake Forest @ Cornell - CC
Illinois C. @ Knox - IC

Carroll @ Macalester - CU
Ripon @ Beloit - RC
St. Norbert @ Lawrence - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on October 31, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
Thanks Mav!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 31, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
Sure thing TAS.  Welcome to the boards.  Sorry to pick against your Scots--looks like it should be a good match-up with Carroll but I think they've got just enough to pull out the road win.  With the remaining games on the schedule for this weekend and next, a November 15 meeting of your Scots and my/scottie's Scots could be a possibility...hmm, this could get confusing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 01, 2014, 12:43:24 AM
Quote from: Maverick on October 31, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
Sure thing TAS.  Welcome to the boards.  Sorry to pick against your Scots--looks like it should be a good match-up with Carroll but I think they've got just enough to pull out the road win.  With the remaining games on the schedule for this weekend and next, a November 15 meeting of your Scots and my/scottie's Scots could be a possibility...hmm, this could get confusing.

I'll put my money on the Scots  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 01, 2014, 01:49:41 AM
Agreed, Carroll probably has more talent than my Scots. 

So did the Soviet Union hockey team in the 1980 Winter Olympics against the US.  As the great Herb Brooks said, "If you played them 10 times, they might win 9." 

But it't that 10th one in all of sports that keeps things interesting.

Did you think Carroll had more talent than your Scots?  Seemed like a pretty even match-up to me. 

We'll see how it goes this week and next.  Maybe we'll see you in Monmouth in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
I think Mac has more of a chance than are being given to them...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2014, 01:53:42 PM
If so, that's a bad sign for Carroll.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 03:23:16 PM
I don't see Carroll as the top team in the MWC.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 04:45:28 PM
And Carroll loses to Mac........
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2014, 04:54:14 PM
Who invited them?  ;)

Having a team that went 4-6 last year come in and do this well isn't going to help the MWC rep any either, right???

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on November 01, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
Carroll is what this board thought they were (proper evaluation done by this crew).
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2014, 04:59:23 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on November 01, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
Carroll is what this board thought they were (proper evaluation done by this crew).

Just a bad day by Carroll? I don't see any turnovers, so the Mac rushing offense just too much?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
Gb, you can say that again.  But I really think IC is the team with the best chance to move forward.....

Let's just call it a day and help them practice and get ready.

lol
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 01, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on November 01, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
Carroll is what this board thought they were (proper evaluation done by this crew).

This.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 05:08:51 PM
This Dangle?  You correcting the Attorney?  (Although I don't see what you are correcting, but I am just a dumb Marine.....)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 01, 2014, 05:13:02 PM
Mac looked good at home.  It will be interesting to see what happens against St. Norberts  It the Knights win then there is a 3 way tie in the North.  Right??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 05:14:36 PM
Yes, so when there is no head to head winner, it goes to Quarters led.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2014, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: grboob on November 01, 2014, 05:13:02 PM
Mac looked good at home.  It will be interesting to see what happens against St. Norbert.  It the Knights win then there is a 3 way tie in the North.  Right??

fyp

;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2014, 07:19:19 PM
Whoa!  Oughtta make for some interesting chatter on the board this week.   ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 01, 2014, 07:36:31 PM
If Monmouth handles business as they should against Knox and Cornell beats IC...the south is in a 3-way tie scenario too, correct?  On paper, it seems like a game IC should win, but you never know.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 08:15:58 PM
Yes and yes...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2014, 08:29:54 PM
Gooooooooo Rams!  The MWC needs a Scots vs. Scots championship in the first renewal of the playoff.  :)  Or at least a Knights vs. Scots championship game....as things should be.   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 01, 2014, 09:11:09 PM
I do believe it will be a Blueboy vs Scots Scottie....... Sorry
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2014, 09:15:53 PM
SNC leads LU 24-0 at half. All scoring in second quarter, I believe
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 01, 2014, 09:22:39 PM
Assuming SNC holds on against Lawrence the North Division quarters led rankings heading into the final week of divisional play is:

MAC: 14
CU:   12
SNC: 12
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 01, 2014, 09:29:06 PM
How sour will the MIAC be if Macalester wins the MWC AQ after losing to Hamline? Better yet, how sour will the MWC be if Macalester wins the MWC AQ after losing to Hamline?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 01, 2014, 09:40:56 PM
I know it would be hard to believe, but maybe...just maybe...Macalester is BACK!  Maybe it's time that people forget about what happened at Macalester 30 YEARS AGO!  Maybe, just maybe, Macalester deserves some credit for actually improving and getting better.  They are doing things that have never been accomplished before at Macalester.  If people would just open their eyes and actually look into some FACTS about the program...and not base their judgments off of something that happened (AND I REPEAT) 30 YEARS AGO, they might realize that things have changed?????

But I'm just one man and that's just one man's opinion.

They have to prove it next week at SNC!

P.S.  There will always be some kind of fundamental flaw with the system.  Is Macalester a top 25 team now that they beat Carroll who was supposedly #24?  No!  Macalester, if they were to win the MWC, isn't better than St. Thomas, but would be in the playoffs.  No matter who wins the MWC conference, I guarantee they are not better than a St. Thomas who probably may not make the playoffs.  How does that make sense? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
TwoArmedScot - it makes sense because the NCAA operates "national" tournaments, not tournaments of the best x number of teams in any given sport

Using men's hoops as the example. The NCAA wants the Horizon League champ - Butler from a few years ago - to have an automatic bid, be Cinderalla, and almost win the tournament. Or be Florida Gulf Coast and get to the Sweet 16. That only happens if conference champs get in

Would the #2 WIAC or MIAC team be better than the MWC champ in a purely at large process? Yep. But it's a national tournament so that doesn't happen.  It is conference winners and others to "fill out" the field.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2014, 09:58:20 PM
And every team - including UST and Platteville - know those obstacles exist. Just as MWC teams know a struggle for ranking and the limited possibility of football playoff home games. Different ponds, different issues.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 01, 2014, 10:09:44 PM
OK, you make good points.

So my question then, is why does the fact that MAC lost to Hamline have to say something bad about the MIAC or the MWC?  Maybe the fact that Macalester turned the ball over 5 times against Hamline just means that they had a bad game that day.  Every team is susceptible to having a bad day, right?

That's why they play the games.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 01, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
Great day to be a MAC fan.  The team has a special player in Samson under center.  Kid can run has has a strong enough arm to make Ds pay who just count on him to run.  The Scot D is solid and coaching staff is strong.

Definitely not the Scots program of 30 years ago or even 13 years ago.

And I wouldnt sweat the early season Hamline loss...its how youre playing at the end that counts.

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 01, 2014, 10:22:37 PM
Ive been away a while...will Seth Schussler be dressing for SNC next week vs my Scots.  Dude was a head case beast.  I thought maybe he had eligibility left.

Good to be back!

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 01, 2014, 10:48:30 PM
SNC wins 42-0. Ford Prefect would be pleased.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 01, 2014, 10:53:35 PM
So that's an outscored streak of 151-7 for Lawrence vs Carroll, Mac and SNC. 

Ouch.

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 01, 2014, 11:00:48 PM
All I know right now is that if there ends up being a Three-Legged Scot on this board with a byline that states, "Ask me about my blue ribbon," then scottie is outta here!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 01, 2014, 09:40:56 PM
P.S.  There will always be some kind of fundamental flaw with the system.  Is Macalester a top 25 team now that they beat Carroll who was supposedly #24?  No! 

Thanks for using the term supposedly. But there's nothing wrong with automatic bids. That's the lifeblood of NCAA championships at all levels.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on November 01, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 01, 2014, 09:29:06 PM
How sour will the MIAC be if Macalester wins the MWC AQ after losing to Hamline? Better yet, how sour will the MWC be if Macalester wins the MWC AQ after losing to Hamline?
I'd bet the sourness is entirely on the MWC side unless MAC draws a MIAC team in the first round.  If they get sent to Wisconsin or Wartburg, most of the casuals won't be aware MAC even made the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on November 02, 2014, 09:12:09 AM
Looks like SNC has won a few games as of late looking at the boards again!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on November 02, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
Quote from: onearmedscot on November 01, 2014, 10:22:37 PM
Ive been away a while...will Seth Schussler be dressing for SNC next week vs my Scots.  Dude was a head case beast.  I thought maybe he had eligibility left.

Good to be back!

oAs
+K and a one-finger (index) salute for the blast from the past, OAS!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 11:42:15 AM
Can someone explain to me why cross-divisional games do not count in the conference win-loss record?  Because if they did, Saint Norbert would have two conference losses and Macalester would be the North Division champion already.  Is this merely a way to ensure that divisional teams don't have a discrepancies when looking at their final conference win-loss record? 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on November 02, 2014, 12:40:39 PM
I am hoping that someone smarter than I can explain the three scenarios where MAC, SNC and CU can make it to the title game... Because I think it's mathematically possible for all 3... If I understand, the way it goes is MAC simply just needs to lead 2 quarters next week to be in. Carroll needs SNC to beat MAC and lead 3 of the 4 quarters and they need to blow out Beloit and SNC needs to beat MAC and have Beloit beat CU as well... Too many lawyers, not enough mathematicians in this world.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
Scottie, you couldn't count them because if wouldn't be fair.  Let's say Lake Forest played the 2 lowest teams in the other division And Monmouth played the two highest.  You lost your 2 and LFC won ours.  We tied in the division.  You, and the rest of the Scot Nation would go ballistic saying we got in the easy way....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
Counselor, I believe your argument holds water....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
Scottie, you couldn't count them because if wouldn't be fair.  Let's say Lake Forest played the 2 lowest teams in the other division And Monmouth played the two highest.  You lost your 2 and LFC won ours.  We tied in the division.  You, and the rest of the Scot Nation would go ballistic saying we got in the easy way....

It's not "fair"?  There's nothing inherently unfair about it; it's just the luck of the draw.  One year one team gets a cupcake schedule, the next year another team does.  Two-division conferences across the country do this and rotate cross-divisional opponents (with the exception of the occasional "permanent cross-division rival").  Is it fair that Ole Miss and Mississippi State get to play Vanderbilt this year while other teams have to play Georgia?  No, but it's just the luck of the draw.  We'll see if the Midwest Conference changes anything from this year to the next, ironing out what I would perceive to be some kinks in their initial championship system. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 01:30:18 PM
And don't be so quick to assume I'm that kind of Scot  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
Scottie, you couldn't count them because if wouldn't be fair.  Let's say Lake Forest played the 2 lowest teams in the other division And Monmouth played the two highest.  You lost your 2 and LFC won ours.  We tied in the division.  You, and the rest of the Scot Nation would go ballistic saying we got in the easy way....

It's not "fair"?  There's nothing inherently unfair about it; it's just the luck of the draw.  One year one team gets a cupcake schedule, the next year another team does.  Two-division conferences across the country do this and rotate cross-divisional opponents (with the exception of the occasional "permanent cross-division rival").  Is it fair that Ole Miss and Mississippi State get to play Vanderbilt this year while other teams have to play Georgia?  No, but it's just the luck of the draw.  We'll see if the Midwest Conference changes anything from this year to the next, ironing out what I would perceive to be some kinks in their initial championship system.

Since an automatic bid is on the line here, I think this is the right way to go (and it's the way the other D-III conferences that had football divisions went when they were in the same scenario). Doesn't make much sense to compare it to a made-for-TV event such as the SEC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
Scottie, you couldn't count them because if wouldn't be fair.  Let's say Lake Forest played the 2 lowest teams in the other division And Monmouth played the two highest.  You lost your 2 and LFC won ours.  We tied in the division.  You, and the rest of the Scot Nation would go ballistic saying we got in the easy way....

It's not "fair"?  There's nothing inherently unfair about it; it's just the luck of the draw.  One year one team gets a cupcake schedule, the next year another team does.  Two-division conferences across the country do this and rotate cross-divisional opponents (with the exception of the occasional "permanent cross-division rival").  Is it fair that Ole Miss and Mississippi State get to play Vanderbilt this year while other teams have to play Georgia?  No, but it's just the luck of the draw.  We'll see if the Midwest Conference changes anything from this year to the next, ironing out what I would perceive to be some kinks in their initial championship system.

Since an automatic bid is on the line here, I think this is the right way to go (and it's the way the other D-III conferences that had football divisions went when they were in the same scenario). Doesn't make much sense to compare it to a made-for-TV event such as the SEC.

I was not aware that this was the policy previously.  I see that the Division II championships do not do this, which was the point I was trying to make via the SEC example (not entirely comparable, I realize).  I don't know enough about DII but I'm guessing there's more parity between teams and conferences so it wouldn't make as big of a difference as it would in D3.  Thanks for enlightening me!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 02, 2014, 05:20:50 PM
ing down the road what might happen to the the MWC divisions after Carroll departs the conference in2015 05 2106.  Do they add another new North div. team or ask MAC to depart?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 02, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Excuse the bad typing errors in my previous post!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 07:11:13 PM
I believe they would have to get another team or revert to a single division......but could be wrong.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 02, 2014, 08:41:06 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 07:11:13 PM
I believe they would have to get another team or revert to a single division......but could be wrong.....

If they plan to get another team to keep it at two divisions, who would they want?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 02, 2014, 09:02:56 PM
Who knows......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2014, 09:21:54 PM
Grinnell will be campaigning for Marantha Baptist.  Oops, wrong sport!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
Not if you ask Lawrence...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 10:14:33 PM
Given their success this year, I'm sure Macalester would love to stay in the conference.  I am guessing it will just go back down to eleven teams, but if they want to add a twelfth, they might add a travel partner for the (non-Fighting) Scots.  Maybe they would lure Saint Scholastica or Northwestern from the UMAC, although I'm not sure either would want to relinquish their annual AQ bid to play in a tougher conference that will not add any prestige to their team
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2014, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 02, 2014, 10:14:33 PM
Given their success this year, I'm sure Macalester would love to stay in the conference.  I am guessing it will just go back down to eleven teams, but if they want to add a twelfth, they might add a travel partner for the (non-Fighting) Scots.  Maybe they would lure Saint Scholastica or Northwestern from the UMAC, although I'm not sure either would want to relinquish their annual AQ bid to play in a tougher conference that will not add any prestige to their team

Although CSS is in conference with SNC and LU for hockey, I don't see it across the board due to travel costs.

Maybe someone from the NACC?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 03, 2014, 06:20:45 AM
Maybe we'll add one of the teams Lake Forest used to play back in the day.  Like Ohio State or Michigan.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 03, 2014, 06:47:36 PM
Findlandia , the new boys on the block in the UP Michigan could be added.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 04, 2014, 03:19:46 PM
Potential 3 way tie in the MWC South Division?  IC beat Monmouth, Monmouth beat Cornell  to date:

If Cornell beats IC this Saturday, there is a 3 way tie in the south and then  the "Quarters Lead" option come into play?

Anyone care to do the present quarter by quarter math/stats of the 3 teams? 

Also, what games are included -quarter by quarter  option - Non conference games, all MWC teams or just South Division teams?

Some more drama for Saturday!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 04, 2014, 06:57:48 PM
IIRC the tie break is only for in division games
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on November 04, 2014, 08:29:09 PM
A note from a Carroll Perspective,

Despite what many may have thought, I will not run from facing the music over Saturday's result.  I have only waited until tonight because I am prepping for a jury trial.  Anyway... My thoughts....

Carroll got beat by a great team that played a better game.  I am not willing to go all out and say that MAC is clearly the "better team", but they outplayed the Pioneers in every aspect of the game when they played... so they deserve to be treated as the better squad. 

Carroll's defense struggled all day.  They never found a way to slow down the mythodic pace of the MAC running game and they pounded them into submission.  Carroll's offense in turn did not play poorly, but could never make the big play to get them over the top.  Furthermore, MAC pushed a few buttons that were key in the game.  Specifically, an onside kick that was recovered late in the 3rd (they did not score, but it changed the sidelines for both sides right after Carroll had scored and MAC had answered).  Finally, I think it being Carroll's first overnight trip and true road game hurt them.  It's tough to have your first true roadie be against such a tough MAC team.

Mac is in the driver's seat and it appears that Carroll is going to need all sorts of help from the Green Knights.  However, because MAC has to travel to the land of green and gold, anything is possible.  I still hold out hope for this weekend, and I am excited to see how it turns out.

Post Script:  This week made it abundantly clear that Carroll did not deserve a national ranking, and that d3football.com had it right from jump street. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OhIowa on November 05, 2014, 12:22:57 PM
My math may be off, but if it comes down to quarters led in division games only, this is what I have if it ends up in a 3-way tie between Cornell, Monmouth and I.C.

Monmouth
vs I.C-0
vs Cornell-4
vs Grinnell-4
vs L.F-4
vs Knox-?
Illinois College
vs Monmouth-4
vs Grinnell-3
vs L.F-4
vs Knox-3
vs Cornell-?
Cornell
vs Monmouth-0
vs Grinnell-4
vs L.F-4
vs Knox-2
vs I.C-?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 05, 2014, 02:09:10 PM
Thanks for the quarter led stats

The only error I see is that Monmouth tied the IC game in the 3rd quarter so IC only has 3 quarters in that game

So IC has 13 quarters Monmouth 12 quarters. Cornell 10

Very interesting
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2014, 04:10:23 PM
Go Rams!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2014, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: grboob on November 05, 2014, 02:09:10 PM
Thanks for the quarter led stats

The only error I see is that Monmouth tied the IC game in the 3rd quarter so IC only has 3 quarters in that game

So IC has 13 quarters Monmouth 12 quarters. Cornell 10

Very interesting

Those are the numbers I came up with also when checking things out a couple days ago. 

In the North Division, it looks like this: Macalester 14, Carroll 12, St. Norbert 11

Obviously IC and Mac have the inside track right now, but there are still alot of possibilities alive for next weekend.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2014, 03:07:39 PM
What are the chances that The Good Guys can lead all four quarters against the P-fire?   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2014, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 06, 2014, 03:07:39 PM
What are the chances that The Good Guys can lead all four quarters against the P-fire?   ;)

I'll go out on a limb and say good.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2014, 08:30:24 AM
Just arrived into Chicago for our next to last game.... depression setting in.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2014, 08:41:44 AM
Is the ride coming to an end, F-dad?  That sure went quick.  It always does....  We'd love to keep you around in parent-emeritus status so you can keep mixing it up with Pat.   ;D  Either way, we'll always have tip-toes.....

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
Lol, Yeah Scottie the boy has 2 games left.  Been a wonderful ride.  Hope we can pull 2 last wins out of the hat....He just tied the the 9th spot in school football record book for tackles.  For a school that's been playing as long as Lake Forest that is quite an achievement.   Is there room on the board for the parent of a coach?  Lol that's his direction...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 07, 2014, 11:06:45 AM
Ful,  Looking over the way your schedules might play out, I can see the Foresters winning the last 2  games at home.  Your season finishes on a encouraging note and you will not be able stop posting in 2015.

Besides Pat will miss you!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2014, 12:17:11 PM
Actually, I would love for fulbakdad to stick around and I have said that in the past. There's no reason to go away once your kid graduates.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 07, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
Now that I've kept you all in suspense long enough, you may go about your Friday evening as planned.

Week 10 Games

Grinnell @ Lake Forest - LFC
Cornell @ Illinois C. - IC
Knox @ Monmouth - MC

Beloit @ Carroll - CU
Lawrence @ Ripon - RC
Macalester @ St. Norbert - MC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)  And even though I picked the Blueboys...Go Rams!  Feels weird to say that, but I'll go with it for tomorrow.  See you all in the Maple City!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 08, 2014, 07:20:36 AM
Mav, stop the presses.  I actually agree with all your picks this week.  IC plays Mac in next week's championship game......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 08, 2014, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2014, 07:20:36 AM
Mav, stop the presses.  I actually agree with all your picks this week.  IC plays Mac in next week's championship game......

Well it took until the next to last game of your son's senior year, but I guess it was bound to happen at some point.  I don't know how excited I would be though...it probably just means you're guaranteed to be wrong about a couple of them. ;)  Good luck in these last 2 games and I hope you stick around to keep posting...scottie does also!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 08, 2014, 03:03:35 PM
And, if I understand correctly, Saint Norbert has been eliminated in the North Division
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on November 08, 2014, 03:43:03 PM
From my accounting MAC is the division champ regardless of the outcome now... Even if they were to lose the lead in the 3rd it would only result in a tie with Carroll on the quarters lead... And from what I know it reverts back to head-to-head
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 08, 2014, 04:42:23 PM
So Monmouth is the 2nd team in south

Who is the 2nd team in the north  St Norberts or Carroll?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on November 08, 2014, 04:44:03 PM
Carroll plays Monmouth in the 3rd place game...

Side note. Another 4 rushing touchdowns for LaMont Williams... I will be sad to see him go
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
Congrats to Mac on the North title
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 08, 2014, 04:52:23 PM
A big congrats to Macalester!  This program has been through so much in the last 15 years from a President that wanted the program cut in 2001 to an awful experiment with Irv Cross as a "coach" to a 12 year run in the worthless Independent ranks where players have no opportunity to win all conference awards to The Caruso Experiment to finally landing in a conference.  The Scots coaching staff has done wonders over the last five years to build the roster and this Division Championship is a huge reward for a lot of hard work.  Wish them the best of luck in the conference championship game.   Great win today and way to fight off that last Green Knights drive!

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 08, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
Congrats to IC and Mac.  I am happy with this year's way of crowning a conference champ.  Much better than a tie breaker possibly determining the top dog. 

Lake Forest took care of business with Grinnell today.  And we finish the year against the Triple Option Ripon.  My favorite offense.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 08, 2014, 06:39:40 PM
To OAS,

Thanks for the kind words and all the support through out the years.

I seem to remember checking this message board back when the MWC announced the addition of Macalester.  To everyone who thought it was worthless to add Macalester  ("another loser") to the MWC, what do you have to say now?

Nothing better than proving people wrong and making them eat their words!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 08, 2014, 07:54:44 PM
Scott, 

I don't remember who said that.  But I almost wonder if that was a poster from your last Conference or one of the Elitists who used to post here.  I say that because when I first got here Lake Forest was one of the bottom dwellers.  When we became competitive and then we were Conference Co-champs, there were a couple posters that were very dismissive of us.  I think the parity in the conference has evened out.  This has Givin more teams the legitimate shot at the title and nobody can live on past records/performances. 

I myself welcome you and wish u and your team best of luck.  But don't live tomorrow on what you do today....

:) 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2014, 12:01:10 AM
Macalester College    at    Illinois College
Carroll University    at     Monmouth College
St. Norbert College    at    Cornell College
Ripon College    at    Lake Forest College
Lawrence University    at    Grinnell College
Beloit College    at    Knox College

the lineup for next week
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2014, 03:06:16 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 08, 2014, 06:39:40 PM
To OAS,

Thanks for the kind words and all the support through out the years.

I seem to remember checking this message board back when the MWC announced the addition of Macalester.  To everyone who thought it was worthless to add Macalester  ("another loser") to the MWC, what do you have to say now?

Nothing better than proving people wrong and making them eat their words!

Knock yourself out. It was a St. John's fan.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8580

I think St. John's would salivate at the chance to have Macalester in the playoffs ... careful what you wish for. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 09, 2014, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2014, 03:06:16 AM
Knock yourself out. It was a St. John's fan.

I think St. John's would salivate at the chance to have Macalester in the playoffs ... careful what you wish for. :)

Seems like something I would have said. :)  Bring 'em on.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 09, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
QuoteA big congrats to Macalester!

I second OAS.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 11, 2014, 11:47:27 AM
Pretty quiet on the boards this week.  Come on, it's championship weekend for :censored: sake!  It's exciting!  It's the culmination of the entire season right here!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
I think that it's quiet because:

For 10 teams it's like the old NFL playoff bowl. It's on the schedule but does anyone care? With no at-large bid at stake I bet these look like spring games with lots of backups

For the title, at least for me, Mac and IC don't conjure up, well, anything. Mac is too new for most to know a lot about or care - and they aren't anyone's rival to get worked up about.

Good for IC but, again, do they stir any one else's imagination?

I hope whoever wins does well in the playoffs but hard to get worked up for it.

Maybe I have already moved on to hockey season...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 12, 2014, 06:59:54 AM
Eagle, You are seeing a result of some of the past MWC thinking.  When I first got here, 2011, if you look back to the postings you'll see that anybody outside of the traditional MWC "winners" really didn't have any place posting here.  The Monmouth's and the SNC posters dominated this board just like they dominated the fields.  But there was a pivot taking place on the fields.  Their teams were being challenged by lowly teams like Lake Forest and a new big boy team IC.  Our record that year doesn't show it, but one of the best games I watched while here was when Monmouth came to town with the Great Tanney.  It was a back and forth game that went down to the last minute or two with Monmouth just squeeking one by.  One poster after said "I wasn't worried"....RIGHT, Monmouth nation was birthing Twinkies the entire game.  How could Lake Forest even think of competing!

Well the last 4 years has brought on a parity that hasn't been seen around here for some time.  Lake Forest shared the Championship two years ago with SNC and beat them soundly the last game of last year.  We also beat Monmouth both of those years.  We have seen Carroll step up to the plate, Cornell made some noise and now IC is staying at the top.  You (Mac) have come to town and made an impact.

I say, AWESOME!  Makes for great football.  This doesn't mean SNC or Monmouth has fallen from grace, just not the only dogs in the pound making noise.  This, I believe, is only going to help the MWC.  More competition inside of the league and stronger opponents in the OOC games is what is needed for our teams to compete at the end of year tournament.  I've been watching this back east in the NEFC.  They used to be the lowly league at the end of the year.  But teams like Framingham State, Endicott, and Salve upped their game and league by scheduling stronger OOC games.  Last year Framingham put a scare in Ithaca in the first round.  That's what we need.

I also like that pairing up the teams for the last game like they did will make for a much more interesting end of season week.  I disagree that this will be a sleeper.  No coach wants to lose the last game paired up to a like opponent.  There are coaches with their jobs on the line, and winning or losing may make the deciding vote on whether or not they keep their livelihood.  I think it's more important than some think....Additionally, there will be many High School seniors at the games making decisions.  You don't want to give a show to them leaving the field with your head hung low.....Plus it makes a much harder week for Mav to make predictions.  :)

All of the above is just my honest opinion of course..

Best of luck to all the MWC teams this week, well of course except Ripon!

:)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2014, 08:56:34 AM
Too funny, F-dad!   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2014, 03:06:16 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 08, 2014, 06:39:40 PM
To OAS,

Thanks for the kind words and all the support through out the years.

I seem to remember checking this message board back when the MWC announced the addition of Macalester.  To everyone who thought it was worthless to add Macalester  ("another loser") to the MWC, what do you have to say now?

Nothing better than proving people wrong and making them eat their words!

Knock yourself out. It was a St. John's fan.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8580

I think St. John's would salivate at the chance to have Macalester in the playoffs ... careful what you wish for. :)

Pat,

Based on where the Macalester program was...nearly extinct...10+ years ago under a president at the school that was trying to run the program into the ground, I think MAC fans would welcome a first round playoff game at St. John's.  First time Macalester plays back at St. John's is in the first round of the playoffs?  Sounds pretty fun to me.  In one game, anything can happen.  "That's why they play the games." 

Besides, it just might be a good game...St. John's vs Macalester.  Last year St. John's narrowly escaped Hamline at...at St. John's: http://www.d3football.com/teams/Hamline/2013/index (http://www.d3football.com/teams/Hamline/2013/index)

Then Macalester shut out Hamline the very next week:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2013/index (http://www.d3football.com/teams/Macalester/2013/index)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
P.S.

I think I was making more of a reference to grboob, rather than Duffman: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8565 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8565)

Didn't and/or don't know who either of them are, but I wonder how their foot taste?  :o

Eagle,

There's a little something for ya.



Good luck Scots vs IC.  Should be a great QB match up!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 12, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
Scottie, too dismissive! :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2014, 11:43:17 AM
F-Dad, F-Dad, F-Dad.....  Not trying to be dismissive, just practical.  A good season or two does not a program make.  Over the last ten seasons, LFC + IC has one less winning season than the Good Guys (7 vs. 8).  I suppose if you include 5-5 seasons, LFC + IC takes a slight lead (11 vs. 10).  In both cases, we can let the readers decide which of two teams (IC or LFC) has been carrying the heavier share of the Twinkies.   ;)

P.S.  A belated Happy Veteran's Day to you!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 12, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
Besides, it just might be a good game...St. John's vs Macalester.

If it were to happen, I would be amazed if it were a good game.  Time will tell, I guess. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 12, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
Besides, it just might be a good game...St. John's vs Macalester.

If it were to happen, I would be amazed if it were a good game.  Time will tell, I guess.

Says the resident expert on all things Johnny...and evidently all things Macalester as well  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 12, 2014, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
Says the resident expert on all things Johnny...and evidently all things Macalester as well  ;)

Says the guy with 13 posts.  ::)

After squeaking out a win over Carleton (who SJU beat 52-3) and losing to Hamline (who SJU beat 49-28), I see no reason why Mac would put up much of a fight to any of the top half of the MIAC.  We'll just have to hope that the stars align so that Mac beats  IC, SJU beats St. Olaf, and the NCAA pits the two against each other.  Monmouth came to Collegeville thumping their chests in 2005, and SJU sent them home 62-3.  Don't get me wrong.  Mac has come a long way from where they were 10-15 years ago, but I would be more than amazed if they were to win against one of the big dogs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 12, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 12, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
Besides, it just might be a good game...St. John's vs Macalester.

If it were to happen, I would be amazed if it were a good game.  Time will tell, I guess.

Says the resident expert on all things Johnny...and evidently all things Macalester as well  ;)

Oh, please, please, Santa, give me just this one gift. I'll be a good boy from now on, I promise.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 12, 2014, 04:00:37 PM
Crickey! What's that there?  Can it be?  The unfortunate Macaletus Roadkillikus

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwac.450f.edgecastcdn.net%2F80450F%2Fthefw.com%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F12%2Fspongebob-streetart.jpg&hash=830b0ea0f0ff013b42408dc8eea2d7806c7509b5)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 12, 2014, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
P.S.

I think I was making more of a reference to grboob, rather than Duffman: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8565 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8565)

Didn't and/or don't know who either of them are, but I wonder how their foot taste?  :o

Eagle,

There's a little something for ya.



Good luck Scots vs IC.  Should be a great QB match up!

A little early to be asking how shoe leather tastes.   Mac has a league game they still need to win.  I hope they do.  We'd love to have them back Cville again.  We'll be gracious hosts, as always.  Until the whistle blows.  I suggest you look at the score of the most recent playoff game with a MWC team playing in the Natural Bowl.  :)  Don't think it would be that close.  :-*
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 12, 2014, 04:50:27 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
P.S.

I think I was making more of a reference to grboob, rather than Duffman: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8565 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.8565)

Didn't and/or don't know who either of them are, but I wonder how their foot taste?  :o


I'm willing to bet you did/do know who Duffman is.  You may still have a few bruises.  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
Shouldn't you Minnesota guys be outside shoveling or something???   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 12, 2014, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
Shouldn't you Minnesota guys be outside shoveling or something???   ;D

We are.  Haven't you heard of iPhones?   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2014, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
Shouldn't you Minnesota guys be outside shoveling or something???   ;D

Why bother - it'll all melt in, oh, 8 months or so! ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 13, 2014, 11:28:19 AM
We're just playing with you, 2-Arm.  We all know that Mac will choke this weekend and be left out of the playoffs.  :P
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 08:13:57 AM
Maybe they will. 

But then again, maybe they won't.   ::)

Even if they do = 8-2 = Most successful season EVER, in 121 YEARS OF FOOTBALL at Macalester.  Not a bad step in the right direction.

Also, I'm sure the coaches and players are just loving the lack of respect being shown by D3.com for what they've accomplished this year.  Now I see they have IC predicted as the AQ.  Mac has been thriving as the underdog for the last two months.  Keep giving them more fuel for the fire D3.com.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2014, 08:49:51 AM
Just a quick proposal for next season:  If you don't post for the first eight weeks, you're not allowed on the board for the rest of the season.  Or, we can start up a separate Bandwagon Fan Group, or something....    ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 08:13:57 AM
Mac has been thriving as the underdog for the last two months.

Mac's been an underdog for 121 years, but "thriving" isn't a word I'd use to describe them.  ;D

Respect on the national scene is earned.  The track record of the MWC's AQ has done little to earn respect for the conference.

I really do hope Mac wins and gets the AQ!!!  That'd be good for Mac football in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 14, 2014, 08:49:51 AM
Just a quick proposal for next season:  If you don't post for the first eight weeks, you're not allowed on the board for the rest of the season.

Where would the fun be in that?  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 08:13:57 AM
Mac has been thriving as the underdog for the last two months.

Mac's been an underdog for 121 years, but "thriving" isn't a word I'd use to describe them.  ;D

Respect on the national scene is earned.  The track record of the MWC's AQ has done little to earn respect for the conference.

I really do hope Mac wins and gets the AQ!!!  That'd be good for Mac football in more way than one.

You did go to St. John's didn't you?: "in more way than one."   ;)

Hopefully you can take some good old ribbing once in a while and try not to get all Butt Hurt like scottie.   :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 09:50:30 AM
You did go to St. John's didn't you?: "in more way than one."   ;)

Touché.  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 08:13:57 AM
Mac has been thriving as the underdog for the last two months.

Mac's been an underdog for 121 years, but "thriving" isn't a word I'd use to describe them.  ;D

Respect on the national scene is earned.  The track record of the MWC's AQ has done little to earn respect for the conference.

I really do hope Mac wins and gets the AQ!!!  That'd be good for Mac football in more way than one.

Maybe the MWC hasn't done so well because it always gets paired up against a conference that is a total mismatch.  And trust me, I get it.  That's how it works.

But let's just think about something for a little bit.  It's funny how the power conferences seem to be the ones that...through recent changes in conference rules and policies...seem to aligning themselves more like Scholarship schools.  If they want to operate like scholarship schools why don't they join DIV II?  What happened to the true meaning of Division III?  Last time I checked it was all about the "STUDENT-athlete" experience with "STUDENT" being the first and most important part of that term.  Seems to me that it's shifting more toward the ATHLETE who just also happens to be a student on the side.

I'm sure most of you, just like myself, chose to play division 3 because our education was more important to us. 

Mean while D3.com has adds on it's site advertising Division 3 Sports Scholarships: http://www.d3football.com/teams/Grinnell/2014/index (http://www.d3football.com/teams/Grinnell/2014/index)

I thought athletic scholarships were not allowed in division 3?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 09:50:30 AM


You did go to St. John's didn't you?: "in more way than one."   ;)

Hopefully you can take some good old ribbing once in a while and try not to get all Butt Hurt like scottie.   :o

It's "But Hirt" you maroon!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2014, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 08:13:57 AM
Maybe they will. 

But then again, maybe they won't.   ::)

Even if they do = 8-2 = Most successful season EVER, in 121 YEARS OF FOOTBALL at Macalester.  Not a bad step in the right direction.

Also, I'm sure the coaches and players are just loving the lack of respect being shown by D3.com for what they've accomplished this year.  Now I see they have IC predicted as the AQ.  Mac has been thriving as the underdog for the last two months.  Keep giving them more fuel for the fire D3.com.

If Macalester needs a playoff projection to fire them up for the biggest football game in the history of the school then you have not been doing your job very well.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 14, 2014, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 10:11:15 AM
Maybe the MWC hasn't done so well because it always gets paired up against a conference that is a total mismatch.  And trust me, I get it.  That's how it works.

umm, if you'r not doing well because you're 'mismatched against better competition', that's not helping to convince me your teams aren't getting enough respect.

Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 10:11:15 AM
But let's just think about something for a little bit.  It's funny how the power conferences seem to be the ones that...through recent changes in conference rules and policies...seem to aligning themselves more like Scholarship schools. If they want to operate like scholarship schools why don't they join DIV II?  What happened to the true meaning of Division III?  Last time I checked it was all about the "STUDENT-athlete" experience with "STUDENT" being the first and most important part of that term.  Seems to me that it's shifting more toward the ATHLETE who just also happens to be a student on the side.

I'm sure most of you, just like myself, chose to play division 3 because our education was more important to us. 

Care to elaborate on how the 'Power Conferences' are changing rules and policies...or are aligning themselves more like scholarship schools? I don't think any d3 school has lost sight of the fact that their athletes are students first, and the vast majority will be finding careers outside of sports. 

Aside from, you know, letting a traditional member of their conference jump ship in one sport because they can't compete, but continue to play in all the rest. If the MIAC were acting like a scholarship division, we'd have kicked MAC's butt to the curb in all the sports. Which, now that I mention it, I think we actually should have done!  :P I also think Carleton, Hamline and other MIAC schools shouldn't schedule you guys in football. Let MAC find other competition. Although it is nice to see that by scheduling them, you're reminded of where you'd really stack up if you hadn't jumped ship (this year, I'm guessing you'd be around 1-7  ;) ).

The other benefit of MAC high tailing it out of the MIAC in football is that it has greatly raised my level of respect Carleton and Hamline. They stayed to compete. I tip my cap to them in a big way.

And just so you have some perspective. Bethel was probably worse than MAC in the 80's. They won something like a half dozen games from 80-88. When Johnson first arrived, he got coach of the year in 89, for going 3-6-1! Too bad MAC won't ever have the chance to experience that same type of resurgence.

NB: this isn't meant to be an indictment of the MWC. I get that as a conference, you're adding a school that you had a chance to add. And as this season has shown, it was a good addition and brought quality to the conference.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 10:11:15 AM
Mean while D3.com has adds on it's site advertising Division 3 Sports Scholarships: http://www.d3football.com/teams/Grinnell/2014/index (http://www.d3football.com/teams/Grinnell/2014/index)

I thought athletic scholarships were not allowed in division 3?

We're not rich enough to turn down Google ads. Maybe you guys share some of that massive endowment with us and we take the ads off.

By the way, if you're going to criticize someone's typo then you ought to watch your autocorrect a little more closely.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
By the way, if you're going to criticize someone's typo then you ought to watch your autocorrect a little more closely.

Dang!  PC is throwing down today!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 10:11:15 AM
Maybe the MWC hasn't done so well because it always gets paired up against a conference that is a total mismatch. 

Um, so you want an easy playoff game?  The whole point of playoffs is that you're supposedly playing the best in the nation, but I guess Mac just wants to be coddled.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2014, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
By the way, if you're going to criticize someone's typo then you ought to watch your autocorrect a little more closely.

Dang!  PC is throwing down today!

That ain't throwing down. That was as nicely as I could say it. Was just trying to beat you to the punch, in case you felt inclined to return fire after earlier. :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: repete on November 14, 2014, 12:16:37 PM
As the product of two proud Mac grads, I'd love to see the Scots advance and visit Collegeville.

Not that we need another point of reference on their FB history, but ....

At my senior high school athletic banquet, the speaker was Marv Helling, a Mac Sports Hall of Famer who reflected on the 25th anniversary of the school's MIAC championship squad like it was yesterday. Turns out Mac didn't win another before bolting.

And I graduated in 1972.  You can do the math.

Helling was a great guy BTW. He went on to coach some successful UND teams and had a long career at the Minnesota high school league.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 14, 2014, 01:58:03 PM
Hey Mav, enough of all this sillyness!  Predictions please?  Me, I'm voting a straight ticket!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 14, 2014, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 10:11:15 AM
Maybe the MWC hasn't done so well because it always gets paired up against a conference that is a total mismatch. 

Um, so you want an easy playoff game?  The whole point of playoffs is that you're supposedly playing the best in the nation, but I guess Mac just wants to be coddled.

They don't want to be coddled, but it would do wonders for their self-esteem if they could host St. Scholastica in round 1 and thus avoid any 'power conference' schools for as long as possible. I mean, they aren't looking to make the playoffs to, you know, try to beat the best teams and win a national title. Like, say, SNC in hockey  ;) :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2014, 02:35:21 PM
I have a feeling that CSS would even destroy them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2014, 02:50:31 PM
Alright f-dad, no more keeping you in suspense...here it is!

Week 11 Games

Beloit @ Knox - KC
Lawrence @ Grinnell - GC
Ripon @ Lake Forest - LFC
St. Norbert @ Cornell - SNC
Carroll @ Monmouth - MC
Macalester @ Illinois C. - IC

Almost a straight ticket but I had to throw in one win for the north division.  Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2014, 05:36:19 PM
Apparently Macalester flew to this game this weekend. Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 14, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 14, 2014, 10:11:15 AM

Mean while D3.com has adds on it's site advertising Division 3 Sports Scholarships: http://www.d3football.com/teams/Grinnell/2014/index (http://www.d3football.com/teams/Grinnell/2014/index)

I thought athletic scholarships were not allowed in division 3?

The Google ads rotate.  There is no such ad on d3football.com at this time.  I wish you would have clicked through to see what was actually being offered and by whom and posted that link.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 14, 2014, 06:00:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2014, 05:36:19 PM
Apparently Macalester flew to this game this weekend. Pretty impressive.

That sounds very D1 or D2 to me.  Isn't this D3? ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 14, 2014, 08:34:08 PM
I'm sticking with the straight ticket.  Last chance for me to bet against SNC.  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 14, 2014, 11:56:09 PM
Pat-

Indeed a chartered flight for the team and fans.  Killed me not to be on it but just too busy.

Ill be cheering from afar.

Some SERIOUS fun at 30,000 feet if they take care of business.

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 15, 2014, 11:56:51 AM
Uffda - not exactly what I had in mind when I said I wanted some more chatter on this board.  Welcome to the board, fans of the MIAC! 

I don't think it necessarily makes much sense to make broad generalizations about a football team's wants based on one fan's opinion.  The idea that Macalester hasn't been given any respect from the media is ridiculous.  Mac has been mentioned just about every week on the home page for the past month or so, picked as a game of the week, the o-line was part of the team of the week, and the strib even has been talking about mac.  Before this year, none of this was the case.  These are certainly exciting times for the Macalester football team.

I find it erroneous to say Mac wants to be coddled.  I for one would look forward to playing a top-tier team from the MIAC; playing a team you have familiarities with would add intrigue to the game.  I think the ultimate goal for Macalester is to rejoin the MIAC somewhere down the road.  This year in the Midwest has been a lot of fun, playing schools with similar academic profiles, but the travel schedule is tough.  Five-hour bus rides for divisional games and taking a plane for an in-conference game?  Playing teams closer to us and more familiar with us would be beneficial.  With the exception of the Carroll game, I haven't felt a rivalry-like atmosphere against a team in the Midwest this year.  This isn't anyone's fault; as the new fish in the pond, that's the way things go.  I really liked playing and competing with solid augsburg teams the previous two years, and playing Carleton and hamline is always fun.  Judging the program based on the first two games we played willfully ignores the growth Mac has experienced throughout the year.  That hamline game was sloppy, having five turnovers, but that has been cleaned up as the season has progressed.  Likewise, that hamline loss doesn't look nearly as bad as years past, with hamline having the potential to finish .500 with a win today. 

Go Mac! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 01:32:12 PM
Saying that someone is showing "lack of respect" for simply making a pick is easily the most nauseating phrase right now in all of sports.  When two teams play, the people who cover the game have to pick one of them.  It really is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2014, 02:35:52 PM
SNC and CU tied 7/7 in the second
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 02:48:46 PM
Illinois College scored the first 14 points of the game, but then it's been all Macalester since.  About midway through the second, Mac leads 21-14 and they just intercepted Bates for the second time and have the ball around midfield.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 15, 2014, 03:13:06 PM
20-20 actually - mac had their xp blocked then IC scored and failed to convert their 2pc. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 03:14:18 PM
Macalester actually missed the extra point on the third TD, IC used an interception of their own to lead to a score, but also missed the PAT.  So, 20-20 at half.  Fun game to watch so far!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 03:59:41 PM
Macalester and IC both with nice drives in the third quarter but no scores.  Still 20-20 to start the fourth.  IC with the ball at Macalester 10.

Edit:  IC's Bates with a TD pass on the first play of fourth quarter!  XP good 27-20 IC
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 04:22:09 PM
A long TD by Macalester tied the game at 27-27.  IC was driving but a fumble by Bates gives Macalester the ball deep in their own territory, around 6 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2014, 04:26:54 PM
CU was up 28-7. Now tied 28-28.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 04:27:31 PM
Macalester crosses into IC territory with a key third and short conversion.  First down around the IC 45 with just under 3:00 to go in the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 04:30:37 PM
Not looking good for IC.  First down Scots at the 12 with only around 1:30 to go...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 04:36:23 PM
Interesting third down call for Macalester as on 3rd and 3 they run a QB sweep away from an unbalanced formation to the left side of the field and are stopped just short.  21 yard FG from the left hash is good, though, 30-27 Macalester with I believe 50 seconds left in the game.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2014, 04:38:45 PM
IC starts at own 37
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2014, 04:39:42 PM
twoplays, IC at Mac 37,:32
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 15, 2014, 04:40:41 PM
Interception to end the game.  Horrible way to end what was a wonderful career for Bates.  Congrats to Macalester on winning the conference crown.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
Mac INT. Scots win
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2014, 04:52:48 PM
SNC scores 28 straight to end game with 35-28 win for 5th place
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 15, 2014, 05:10:03 PM
Way to go Macalester  8-)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on November 15, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
Can we stop talking about a losing streak that happened before many of us were born and start talking about the MWC CHAMPION MACALESTER FIGHTING SCOTS!

Proud football alum.  Wish I was on that plane ride home.

oAs
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 15, 2014, 07:19:58 PM
Good Guys over Carroll 38-14 to win the People's Championship.  Congrats to the MWC's REAL Fighting Scots.

scottie......OUT!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 15, 2014, 08:42:08 PM
Lake Forest handles the Ripon triple option 26-23.  Fun game to watch.  Longer report when we get back to New Hampshire.....
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2014, 09:52:16 PM
I never thought I'd see the day that Macalaster won their conference and qualified for the playoffs.  Based on our MN weather lately, perhaps hell did freeze over.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 16, 2014, 11:31:53 AM
 :) ;) :D ;D :o 8-) ::)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 16, 2014, 04:38:23 PM
I like the way the last games were set up.   Four of the five games were close. :)

I would like to see an inter conference  game between the SCIAC and NWC as the first game f the season, using this concept.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
Mac goes to Whitewater. Welcome to the MWC and the playoffs.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
Have fun at the Perk, Mac! 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 16, 2014, 11:10:51 PM
Quote from: onearmedscot on November 15, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
Can we stop talking about a losing streak that happened before many of us were born and start talking about the MWC CHAMPION MACALESTER FIGHTING SCOTS!

Proud football alum.  Wish I was on that plane ride home.

oAs

People lived, died, raised families and resurrected into higher consciousness during that losing streak.  What you're asking for is like someone going to the Taj Mahal and asking them to ignore that big fancy onion top.  Impossible.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 17, 2014, 12:47:33 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 16, 2014, 11:10:51 PM
Quote from: onearmedscot on November 15, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
Can we stop talking about a losing streak that happened before many of us were born and start talking about the MWC CHAMPION MACALESTER FIGHTING SCOTS!

Proud football alum.  Wish I was on that plane ride home.

oAs

People lived, died, raised families and resurrected into higher consciousness during that losing streak.  What you're asking for is like someone going to the Taj Mahal and asking them to ignore that big fancy onion top.  Impossible.

Not quite getting the connection here.  Apples and cows, as Saint Olaf's coach would say
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2014, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 17, 2014, 12:47:33 AM
Apples and cows, as Saint Olaf's coach would say

+K  :D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 17, 2014, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 15, 2014, 07:19:58 PM
Good Guys over Carroll 38-14 to win the People's Championship.  Congrats to the MWC's REAL Fighting Scots.

scottie......OUT!

Well said scottie.  Except for a 5-minute stretch in the second quarter, the Scots played pretty well throughout the game and controlled things on Saturday.  As always, there will be holes to fill for next season...but I think our Fighting Scots look like they're in good position to make a run at the MWC in 2015.

Onto the basketball boards!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
Those Macalester fans planning on coming to WHITEWATER may want to check out this site which provides details like parking, directions, tailgating, items allowed/prohibited in the stadium, etc.

http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/2014/11/15/FB_1115145547.aspx?id=931
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 18, 2014, 08:26:48 AM
Macalester Scots fans, welcome to the playoffs!  I've dedicated a page to the Scots on Warhawkfootball.com to help our fans get familiar with your team. It includes links and videos. Feel free to check it out! The link to the Macalester page is on the front page:

www.warhawkfootball.com
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 18, 2014, 08:57:06 PM
There is a lot of talk about several Monkey Stomp's happening in Round 1 of the Playoffs in the West and North

Any predictions on who might get stomped?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 19, 2014, 07:26:57 AM
Quote from: grboob on November 18, 2014, 08:57:06 PM
There is a lot of talk about several Monkey Stomp's happening in Round 1 of the Playoffs in the West and North

Any predictions on who might get stomped?

boob, where exactly is the thread(s) that talks about this? ... I would like to read it ... I've read just about everything posted on the brackets and I just haven't come across this discussion. Although, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who the most likely candidates are.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 19, 2014, 08:43:38 AM
Quote from: grboob on November 18, 2014, 08:57:06 PM
Any predictions on who might get stomped?

Macalaster, St. Scholastica, and St. Thomas.  NostraDuffus has spoken.  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 19, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
Add Benidictine (playing Wheaton) to the Monkey Stoop list
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 57Johnnie on November 19, 2014, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more
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Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

42 is a double monkey stomp
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

42 is a double monkey stomp

Ah yes, thank you.  I've been hearing that number a lot in regards to Macalester from the fellas at the MIAC board  ::)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 19, 2014, 10:29:26 PM
Definition of a Monkey Stomp

To act like a small child, yelling, crying, flailing of arms and legs, and grunting like a stupid child
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 20, 2014, 01:47:23 AM
Quote from: grboob on November 19, 2014, 10:29:26 PM
Definition of a Monkey Stomp

To act like a small child, yelling, crying, flailing of arms and legs, and grunting like a stupid child

Kind of like that post, eh?  But, no, that's a tantrum you're describing.

I reckon MAC will be introduced to the Double Monkey StompOut.  Maybe even the Triple.

The Monkey Stomp and related terminology was first created by the Liberty League people about 8 years ago.  ROR maintains the official list of terminology here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxwpLdvD6eqQPG_tDAIuCS8PlO9P3SJOTM5HPehmcOU/edit?usp=sharing

Welcome to the post-season.  There's a whole legacy to educate yourselves on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 08:59:56 AM
Quote from: grboob on November 19, 2014, 10:29:26 PM
Definition of a Monkey Stomp

To act like a small child, yelling, crying, flailing of arms and legs, and grunting like a stupid child

That's something way different, although the Mrs. and I do have a 3-year old, so I am quite familiar with that definition, too.  :o
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 20, 2014, 01:47:23 AM
The Monkey Stomp and related terminology was first created by the Liberty League people about 8 years ago.  ROR maintains the official list of terminology here:

I think it originally stemmed from SJU's Monkey StompTM of RPI in the semis of 2003.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

Stick around.  I'll grow on you.  :P 
Co-stanza!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

42 is a double monkey stomp

Ah yes, thank you.  I've been hearing that number a lot in regards to Macalester from the fellas at the MIAC board  ::)

I find it funny they are even concerning themselves with the outcome of the Macalester/UWW game. There's no guarantee SJU will be around in a couple of rounds to face either team.

I think they are good enough to beat UST or Wartburg, but not with 100% certainty.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

42 is a double monkey stomp

Ah yes, thank you.  I've been hearing that number a lot in regards to Macalester from the fellas at the MIAC board  ::)


No one on the WIAC board has been saying that.  While we are pretty confident that we'll get a win many of us have come to like the Macalester team after watching the videos that have been posted on bleedpurple's Warhawkfootball.com website. 

I understand that the move from the MIAC to, eventually, the MWC is seen as a negative in the eyes of MIAC people I personally don't see it that way.  It isn't like Macalester thought they'd be able to dominate the MWC.  They just wanted to be competitive.  UW-Superior dropped it's football program and is moving most of their sports programs from the WIAC to be more competitive though travel distances is also an issue.  I don't blame them for that.  Besides who doesn't like a good old fashioned story of a program resurrecting itself.  Other than the MIAC people that is. ;)

Good luck this weekend.  not too much of it though  ;)

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:42:48 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
Besides who doesn't like a good old fashioned story of a program resurrecting itself.  Other than the MIAC people that is. ;)

SJU's resurrecting itself...we like that!  ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: USTBench on November 20, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

While I don't particularly care for MAC picking and choosing what their conference affiliation is based on how competitive they can be, I think sticking around the MIAC for football instead of going independent would have ultimately been their demise. A lot of people don't remember Irv Cross was within inches of scrapping the program all-together, so if it meant getting fat-and-happy on Trinity Bible College and The Little Sisters of the Poor before they could legitimately align themselves with a conference again, I can't really fault them for that. I just thought they'd make an attempt to come back to the MIAC.

That said, I just don't see how a team that lost to Hamline by 10 doesn't lose to Whitewater by 45.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

But it doesn't work that way. Each conference is different from sport to sport. I bet it would be hard to find a DIII conference that consists of all the same members in each sport....if there are any.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 57Johnnie on November 20, 2014, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

But it doesn't work that way. Each conference is different from sport to sport. I bet it would be hard to find a DIII conference that consists of all the same members in each sport....if there are any.
That is not what Duff is saying. Obviously not every school in a conference has every sport covered.
What Duff is saying (I think) is that you shouldn't be able to cherry pick a conference for an individual sport based on how good or more likely bad you are at that individual sport.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2014, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: 57Johnnie on November 20, 2014, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

But it doesn't work that way. Each conference is different from sport to sport. I bet it would be hard to find a DIII conference that consists of all the same members in each sport....if there are any.
That is not what Duff is saying. Obviously not every school in a conference has every sport covered.
What Duff is saying (I think) is that you shouldn't be able to cherry pick a conference for an individual sport based on how good or more likely bad you are at that individual sport.

Yes. Generally if you are a conference member in all sports and your conference sponsors a particular sport, then you compete in the conference in that sport. The exceptions have been few and short-term: Pomona-Pitzer excusing itself from SCIAC football and costing its fellow conference members an AQ for the first few years of the Pools system, Oberlin and Kenyon each getting a one-year reprieve from some of their NCAC beatdowns. But none of them joined other conferences for football, just played as independents for a year or a few.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
Superior has done the same thing to the WIAC.  First they dropped football when a conference membership requirement was to field a football team.  Now they're leaving in other sports but staying in men and women's hockey. While they didn't effect the conference's automatic bid in football their leaving will impact it in baseball unless we can add another program.  Though right now no one seems to have any idea who that might be.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on November 20, 2014, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
Superior has done the same thing to the WIAC.  First they dropped football when a conference membership requirement was to field a football team.  Now they're leaving in other sports but staying in men and women's hockey. While they didn't effect the conference's automatic bid in football their leaving will impact it in baseball unless we can add another program.  Though right now no one seems to have any idea who that might be.
Staying in hockey is hardly like staying in all the other sports.  Hockey conferences in college seem desperate for members.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: 57Johnnie on November 20, 2014, 01:51:08 PM
That is not what Duff is saying. Obviously not every school in a conference has every sport covered.
What Duff is saying (I think) is that you shouldn't be able to cherry pick a conference for an individual sport based on how good or more likely bad you are at that individual sport.

Yes!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
DE PERE - St. Norbert College head football coach Steve Opgenorth has resigned his position, athletics director Tim Bald announced today. Defensive coordinator Dan McCarty has been promoted to head coach, effective immediately.

Opgenorth went 6-4 in his one season with the Green Knights.

"We wish to thank Steve for his time at St. Norbert," Bald said. "We're looking forward to Dan taking over leadership of the program."

McCarty just finished his first season as the Green Knights' defensive coordinator. McCarty's collegiate experience includes coaching at UW-Stout from 2007-2010, where he coached offensive line and defensive line, and was the Blue Devils' defensive coordinator in 2010.

McCarty, who was Southern Door High School's head coach in 2013, also coached at his prep alma mater, Sturgeon Bay High School, from 2003-2006 and again in 2011. In his first stint with the Clippers, McCarty aided Sturgeon Bay to the 2004 WIAA Division 4 state championship as the offensive coordinator.

McCarty also coached under current Western Illinois University coach Bob Nielson at UW-Eau Claire and the University of Minnesota-Duluth. McCarty coached tight ends in 1998, and went with Nielson to Duluth to coach wide receivers and tight ends from 1999 to 2001. He also was the head coach of the Eidsvoll 1814s in Norway in the summer of 2001.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2014, 04:10:59 PM
Hockey is different because it wasn't a regular WIAC sport until last year. UWS, UWSP, UWSt., UWRF and UWEC were members of the NCHA until they left for a WIAC-only league.

And, a league that doesn't have an automatic bid - but that's a different topic. But Superior played in the NCHA because there really wasn't a WIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 20, 2014, 05:56:06 PM
Quote from: USTBench on November 20, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

While I don't particularly care for MAC picking and choosing what their conference affiliation is based on how competitive they can be, I think sticking around the MIAC for football instead of going independent would have ultimately been their demise. A lot of people don't remember Irv Cross was within inches of scrapping the program all-together, so if it meant getting fat-and-happy on Trinity Bible College and The Little Sisters of the Poor before they could legitimately align themselves with a conference again, I can't really fault them for that. I just thought they'd make an attempt to come back to the MIAC.

That said, I just don't see how a team that lost to Hamline by 10 doesn't lose to Whitewater by 45.

That reminds me....I haven't seen any Grinnell basketball news trending on ESPN this week.  I'll have to check their schedule to see what they're up to pre-MWC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 20, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
It's not the fact that they left the MIAC that bothers us.  It's the fact that they left the MIAC in football because they couldn't compete, yet they remain a MIAC member in other sports.  I can't fault them for improvement or for winning the MWC, but they should be a full-fledged MIAC member or leave all together.

Make no bones about it.  UWW will win by a lot.

That's where you, and many others like you, are flat WRONG!  Maybe you should actually try learning the facts about what happened, rather than just jumping on the easy assumption band wagon because it makes you feel good and better than MAC.  What are you so afraid of anyway?

Personally, I've always been and always will be a fan of the MIAC and all of it's schools.  I personally would love to see St. John's make a long run in the playoffs.  Good for you guys and great to see St. John's come back after a few down years. 

The facts (from someone who was there when it happened): Macalester was pulled out of the MIAC by a president who was, for lack of a better word, absolutely CLUELESS!  Hence, less than a year after that all happened he was GONE!

However, if you want to keep acting like a 16 year old HS girl and hold that against Macalester and everyone even remotely connected to Macalester, go right ahead.  By the way, as far as I'm aware no one who is currently involved with the leadership of Macalester and/or it's football program had anything to do with that decision more than 10 years ago.  But hey, let's punish all them for something they had absolutely no control over.  That makes a lot of sense.   ::)

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.

11/19 Bumper to Bumper with Dan Barreiro: http://www.iheart.com/show/139-The-Dan-Barreiro-Show/ (http://www.iheart.com/show/139-The-Dan-Barreiro-Show/)
Start listening around the 27:00 mark...you might just learn something.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:49:15 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

BTW, I know what a Monkey Stomp is.  I was being sarcastic.  Read grboob's post a little more closely.  http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.9795 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4737.9795)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 21, 2014, 12:00:20 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 19, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 19, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
What's a Monkey Stoop list?

Man you and Duffman are both so smart and all knowing when it comes to football.

Thank you so much for gracing us with your ever enlightening intelligence and knowledge.  ::)

From what I have gathered in my limited time on the boards, a Monkey Stomp* is when a team defeats its opponent by 42 points or more

42 is a double monkey stomp

Ah yes, thank you.  I've been hearing that number a lot in regards to Macalester from the fellas at the MIAC board  ::)


No one on the WIAC board has been saying that.  While we are pretty confident that we'll get a win many of us have come to like the Macalester team after watching the videos that have been posted on bleedpurple's Warhawkfootball.com website. 

I understand that the move from the MIAC to, eventually, the MWC is seen as a negative in the eyes of MIAC people I personally don't see it that way.  It isn't like Macalester thought they'd be able to dominate the MWC.  They just wanted to be competitive.  UW-Superior dropped it's football program and is moving most of their sports programs from the WIAC to be more competitive though travel distances is also an issue.  I don't blame them for that.  Besides who doesn't like a good old fashioned story of a program resurrecting itself.  Other than the MIAC people that is. ;)

Good luck this weekend.  not too much of it though  ;)

Badger,

Something else you might like.  This aired tonight on one of the local news stations here in the Cities:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/10873097-macalester-football-team-drafts-special-4-year-old/ (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/10873097-macalester-football-team-drafts-special-4-year-old/)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I can already guess where Duff Man will want to go with this:  this for him will be the very definition of picking and choosing.  This alignment with like-minded institutions for only football yet remaining in the MIAC for other sports is exactly what he is talking about.  Macalester being with "like-minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies", in my view, goes hand in hand with "how competitive it can be".  If that is what we want to do, in Duff Man's opinion, then Mac should join the Midwest Conference in all sports.  Personally, this is something I do not want to see happen; while this year has been nothing short of magical for the football team, joining the conference in all sports would be nightmarish for travel.  I would prefer that we maintain our century-long ties to the MIAC and, hopefully, return as a football member that can compete with the likes of U$T, Bethel, and SJU.  This may be awhile down the road, but I think it ought to happen. 

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

When Mac left for football to play an independent schedule, it was probably either that or drop the football program altogether.  Is that what you want?  A group of young men no longer able to fulfill their dream of playing college football?  An independent schedule was the option the school had to preserve that dream.  Now that the administration has finally invested in the program, the ultimate goal of a competitive Macalester Scots football team in the MIAC can turn from a dream into a reality.  I realize Mac's chances on Saturday are slim-to-none, facing up against the undefeated defending national champions, but no matter how it turns out, I will be proud of my Macalester Scots taking the field and giving it their all.  Go Scots
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: NewHawk on November 21, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I can already guess where Duff Man will want to go with this:  this for him will be the very definition of picking and choosing.  This alignment with like-minded institutions for only football yet remaining in the MIAC for other sports is exactly what he is talking about.  Macalester being with "like-minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies", in my view, goes hand in hand with "how competitive it can be".  If that is what we want to do, in Duff Man's opinion, then Mac should join the Midwest Conference in all sports.  Personally, this is something I do not want to see happen; while this year has been nothing short of magical for the football team, joining the conference in all sports would be nightmarish for travel.  I would prefer that we maintain our century-long ties to the MIAC and, hopefully, return as a football member that can compete with the likes of U$T, Bethel, and SJU.  This may be awhile down the road, but I think it ought to happen. 

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

When Mac left for football to play an independent schedule, it was probably either that or drop the football program altogether.  Is that what you want?  A group of young men no longer able to fulfill their dream of playing college football?  An independent schedule was the option the school had to preserve that dream.  Now that the administration has finally invested in the program, the ultimate goal of a competitive Macalester Scots football team in the MIAC can turn from a dream into a reality.  I realize Mac's chances on Saturday are slim-to-none, facing up against the undefeated defending national champions, but no matter how it turns out, I will be proud of my Macalester Scots taking the field and giving it their all.  Go Scots

MAC did what it needed to do to make itself competitive and it seems to have worked because they are in the play-offs.  We are looking forward to seeing them in Round One.  Only 27 1/2 hours until the play offs begin. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 21, 2014, 09:50:40 AM
Time to change from Monkey Stomp to Cake Walk, as defined in earlier Wisconsin Conference posts:

How to do a Cake Walk:
Instructions

        1

        Place teams in a circle as if you were playing musical chairs. The number of chairs can vary based on the size of the gathering and the expected amount of interest in the Cake Walk.
        2

        Place a number on each chair, starting with 1 and going as high as necessary, depending on the number of chairs you have in the circle. Now take a number and place by each pastry. Have a nice display of the goodies on some tables so that everyone can see them.
         3

        Start some "We Are the Champions" on the stereo. Instruct the participants to walk around the chairs until the music stops. Participants should sit in the nearest chair when the music stops. Stop the music after 30 seconds or 1 minute.
        4

        Draw a number out of box or other container. The participant who sat in the chair with the corresponding number wins the prize for that round.


   
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OldAuggie on November 21, 2014, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: NewHawk on November 21, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I can already guess where Duff Man will want to go with this:  this for him will be the very definition of picking and choosing.  This alignment with like-minded institutions for only football yet remaining in the MIAC for other sports is exactly what he is talking about.  Macalester being with "like-minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies", in my view, goes hand in hand with "how competitive it can be".  If that is what we want to do, in Duff Man's opinion, then Mac should join the Midwest Conference in all sports.  Personally, this is something I do not want to see happen; while this year has been nothing short of magical for the football team, joining the conference in all sports would be nightmarish for travel.  I would prefer that we maintain our century-long ties to the MIAC and, hopefully, return as a football member that can compete with the likes of U$T, Bethel, and SJU.  This may be awhile down the road, but I think it ought to happen. 

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

When Mac left for football to play an independent schedule, it was probably either that or drop the football program altogether.  Is that what you want?  A group of young men no longer able to fulfill their dream of playing college football?  An independent schedule was the option the school had to preserve that dream.  Now that the administration has finally invested in the program, the ultimate goal of a competitive Macalester Scots football team in the MIAC can turn from a dream into a reality.  I realize Mac's chances on Saturday are slim-to-none, facing up against the undefeated defending national champions, but no matter how it turns out, I will be proud of my Macalester Scots taking the field and giving it their all.  Go Scots

MAC did what it needed to do to make itself competitive and it seems to have worked because they are in the play-offs.  We are looking forward to seeing them in Round One.  Only 27 1/2 hours until the play offs begin.
In my opinion and take it for what it is worth, I hope Macalester rejoins the MIAC in Football. This goes with out saying but Mac is a prestigious school and if they are in the process of upgrading everything associated with the school to match their stellar national reputation then football should follow. A great article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune today:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/283443591.html

If Northwestern can play in the B1G and Stanford can dominate in the Pac 12 then Macalester can compete in the MIAC. It is really up to them.



Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2014, 10:46:10 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 21, 2014, 12:00:20 AM

Badger,

Something else you might like.  This aired tonight on one of the local news stations here in the Cities:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/10873097-macalester-football-team-drafts-special-4-year-old/ (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/10873097-macalester-football-team-drafts-special-4-year-old/)

This is very cool.  It's a wonderful thing that your program is doing for disabled children.  + karma to you but know that it's intended not only for you but for your football program.  You have my respect. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 21, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
Several Cake Walks predicted in the DIII Triple Take this morning.

Is a Cake Walk more than a -21 point loss, which is the standard set by the Monkey Stomp criteria?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 21, 2014, 12:35:23 PM
Good to see some interesting conversation and very good points brought up regarding Macalester and their football program situation...instead of just discussing Monkey Stomps and Cake Walks. :D

scottie - Believe it or not, Grinnell's non-conference schedule in basketball isn't all that bad.  Too much bad press last year must have had an effect on book and DVD sales. ;)

gbpuckfan or any other SNC guys - What's the story on Opgenorth resigning after just one season?  Is McCarty a good choice as your new head coach?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 21, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
And what's wrong with Monkey Stomps and Cake Walks?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 21, 2014, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: grboob on November 21, 2014, 09:50:40 AM
Time to change from Monkey Stomp to Cake Walk, as defined in earlier Wisconsin Conference posts:

How to do a Cake Walk:
Instructions

        1

        Place teams in a circle as if you were playing musical chairs. The number of chairs can vary based on the size of the gathering and the expected amount of interest in the Cake Walk.
        2

        Place a number on each chair, starting with 1 and going as high as necessary, depending on the number of chairs you have in the circle. Now take a number and place by each pastry. Have a nice display of the goodies on some tables so that everyone can see them.
         3

        Start some "We Are the Champions" on the stereo. Instruct the participants to walk around the chairs until the music stops. Participants should sit in the nearest chair when the music stops. Stop the music after 30 seconds or 1 minute.
        4

        Draw a number out of box or other container. The participant who sat in the chair with the corresponding number wins the prize for that round.


   

Fours steps in the instructions?  There's no way WIAC people could think up something that complex.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 21, 2014, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: grboob on November 21, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
And what's wrong with Monkey Stomps and Cake Walks?

Nothing at all boob.  As long as it's Monmouth putting a Monkey Stomp on Knox or beating anyone else in a Cake Walk competition. ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 21, 2014, 06:21:43 PM
Oh!  You must be referring to the "real MWC Scots", the "People's  Champions" which Scottie was talking about last week???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on November 21, 2014, 08:28:46 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM

Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I can already guess where Duff Man will want to go with this:  this for him will be the very definition of picking and choosing.  This alignment with like-minded institutions for only football yet remaining in the MIAC for other sports is exactly what he is talking about.  Macalester being with "like-minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies", in my view, goes hand in hand with "how competitive it can be".  If that is what we want to do, in Duff Man's opinion, then Mac should join the Midwest Conference in all sports.  Personally, this is something I do not want to see happen; while this year has been nothing short of magical for the football team, joining the conference in all sports would be nightmarish for travel.  I would prefer that we maintain our century-long ties to the MIAC and, hopefully, return as a football member that can compete with the likes of U$T, Bethel, and SJU.  This may be awhile down the road, but I think it ought to happen. 

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

When Mac left for football to play an independent schedule, it was probably either that or drop the football program altogether.  Is that what you want?  A group of young men no longer able to fulfill their dream of playing college football?  An independent schedule was the option the school had to preserve that dream.  Now that the administration has finally invested in the program, the ultimate goal of a competitive Macalester Scots football team in the MIAC can turn from a dream into a reality.  I realize Mac's chances on Saturday are slim-to-none, facing up against the undefeated defending national champions, but no matter how it turns out, I will be proud of my Macalester Scots taking the field and giving it their all.  Go Scots

Scottyeagle,

Agreed, it would be fantastic to see MAC back in the MIAC!

However, the school is set on being a top 25 academic institution in the country.  They are not going to make exceptions or bend on things like admissions and/or financial aid just so the football program can compete in the MIAC.  The bottom line is that when it comes to recruiting, Macalester will never be able to compete with the other MIAC schools...besides Carleton...because of the parity in admissions standards and financial aid policies. 

Do you know how many championships MAC and Carleton have combined in the MIAC?  I can't remember for sure, but I think it's something like 4 in a combined 80+ years of playing football in the MIAC.

Hopefully you're right though.  Hopefully they can build the program up enough so that some day the parity in admissions and financial aid won't be as big of an issue and then maybe they could get back into the MIAC.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 21, 2014, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: grboob on November 21, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
And what's wrong with Monkey Stomps and Cake Walks?

In the grammatically incorrect words of Howard Cosell (tell it like it is), "monkey stomp" and "cake walk" are immature and polite ways respectively to describe a mismatch.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 21, 2014, 10:47:02 PM
Educate yourself on the storied history of Monkey Stomp

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxwpLdvD6eqQPG_tDAIuCS8PlO9P3SJOTM5HPehmcOU/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 21, 2014, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2014, 10:46:10 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 21, 2014, 12:00:20 AM

Badger,

Something else you might like.  This aired tonight on one of the local news stations here in the Cities:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/10873097-macalester-football-team-drafts-special-4-year-old/ (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/10873097-macalester-football-team-drafts-special-4-year-old/)

This is very cool.  It's a wonderful thing that your program is doing for disabled children.  + karma to you but know that it's intended not only for you but for your football program.  You have my respect.

That is a great story! And what a great lesson for the guys on the team regarding serving and making a difference!  Your program and school has my respect as well.  This is one of the great things about the D3 playoffs IMO. It affords the opportunity to learn about other programs and the people associated with them. MAC making the playoffs must have upset the apple cart or something. The MIACers seem to feel a need to vent.  They've got two teams in the tournament, you'd think that would occupy them.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 22, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I call BS on this. If that was the case, why are you playing the rest of your sports in a conference that is such an odd fit?!  ???

You guys went to the MWC for competitive reasons in football. Fine, I think the MIAC should have given the rest of your sports the boot as well. And, FWIW, I don't want MAC to come back in football. Having 10 teams in the MIAC sponsoring football (one of them being MAC) won't help the top teams get at large bids for the playoffs as it will hurt SOS. I'd rather be able to schedule another quality non-con game.

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

I don't think it'd precipitate a 'severe drop off.' Contrary to the high minded attitudes of MAC and Carleton grads, the other MIAC institutions are very highly thought of. If MAC left, there'd be plenty of very good schools in the MIAC and Carleton as an elite school. Contrary to what you might think, some of us went to other MIAC schools despite getting accepted to schools with better academic reps and tougher admissions standards than MAC or Carleton.  :P

Again, I just don't want MAC to come back in football. 9 conference games each year pulls everyone's SoS back towards .500. SO, unless that school you're adding is a really good team, it doesn't benefit the other schools.

As for parity, I don't want conference parity. I want excellence and parity, we have the former and are increasingly improving the latter. There are plenty of conferences with remarkable parity and little quality. If I have to choose between the two, give me excellence.

Again, my beef isn't MAC leaving, it's that they stayed in the other sports and then guys like TAS are trying to tell us that it wasn't for competitive reasons. I think right now we have the worst possible option: MAC competing in a conference for football that isn't the MIAC. If that's the direction they want to go, then move all your sports. Or fully rejoin the MIAC. But if I'm honest, I'd rather have them leave all together. It'd help the basketball and baseball schedules as well. And we'd still retain Carleton, a better academic institution for our 'profile.'

That said, good luck today against UWW. Having played and coached in the NCAA playoffs, it's a great experience and I'm genuinely happy for the MAC players and coaches, who had nothing to do whatsoever with where MAC is currently playing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2014, 01:14:11 PM
Mac first possession - a first down, then a punt

UWW - easy drive for TD

7-0 early UWW
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 22, 2014, 01:24:02 PM
4th and 10 from the 13 and you go for it?????

hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
As someone only somewhat familiar with the MIAC through various non-conference encounters - and certainly non familiar with all of the ins and outs of the Mac history - my thoughts:

* I think it IS unusual for a team not to be in a conference for all of the sports that conference offers. I can't think of any MWC team that doesn't play in the conference for a sport MWC has. SNC, LU and LFC are in the NCHA for hockey, but MWC doesn't offer. Same when LU was with the WIAC for wrestling a few years back.

* Schools talk all the time about conferences & teams in terms of similar academics, etc. I don't think that's a big deal or a factor in most cases. Usually, it's distance, size of school, etc that are the first things. Every conference has schools with varying academic profiles, but for cost reasons, distance, etc. those are secondary to the other issues. Most fans don't care about the ACT score of the center/pitcher/bolero/goalie at another school.

* It doesn't bother me that Mac joined the MWC, or even that they won it. If the schools think it's a good fit, like the ability for division play (until CU leaves), frees up dates for more non-conference, etc - that's all fine with me

* Bottom line, though, it does seem odd to that Mac wouldn't be in the MIAC for football. Either you are in a league or not. Getting your butt kicked? Hire better coaches, get better facilities, or find a league that better suits you overall.

SNC was going 1-9 in football not all that long ago. Changed coaches. Built a new stadium. Invested in the program. Now, this season's 6-4 seems disappointing. It CAN be done.

* I can see how, based on travel, tradition, etc. that Mac wants to stay in the MIAC. And isn't a good fit for MWC for everything. But then when you join a league that hasn't had the same level of success on a national level in football that the MIAC has had, don't be surprised that someone is going to be critical of being 'carpetbaggers' or 'cherrypicking' for football. (And perhaps shame on the MWC schools for not being good enough to beat them)

I hope MAC comes back today and makes a good showing. That would be good for the MWC. No sour grapes here. But I can understand the criticism.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 22, 2014, 01:36:46 PM
21-0 still in the first quarter.  Think I have some chores to do......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2014, 01:38:01 PM
UWW announcers already talking about next week...

It's cold outside, so maybe those are just layers but I think that's a fat lady warming up...
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 22, 2014, 03:59:21 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2014, 01:38:01 PM
UWW announcers already talking about next week...

It's cold outside, so maybe those are just layers but I think that's a fat lady warming up...

They're students...what do you expect?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Final
Mac 2
UWW 55

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: BoBo on November 22, 2014, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Final
Mac 2
UWW 55

The score may have gotten out of hand, but Mac never quit...give them credit...the QB #1 is elusive, but he simply lacked enough playmakers around him to be overly effective...they moved the ball pretty good at times between the 20's, though.  UWW went to their backups with 4 minutes left in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 22, 2014, 05:58:07 PM
Monkey Stomp??
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 57Johnnie on November 22, 2014, 06:04:33 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 22, 2014, 05:58:07 PM
Monkey Stomp??
Double!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2014, 11:42:36 AM
Congrats and good luck to the Scots. 
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 23, 2014, 02:30:26 PM
No comment
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 23, 2014, 10:33:04 PM
Congrats to Macalester on a fine season.  You earned UW-W's respect both by never quitting on the field and in how you conducted yourselves.  It is obvious, the team is filled with fine young me.

A final column on MAC/UW-W:

"Mutual Respect"

www.warhawkfootball.com
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 24, 2014, 10:50:47 AM
I agree Purple, congrats to MAC.  They beat IC (who just can't seem to win the big game it has seemed for the last 4 years....) and deserved to move forward.

I didn't think our Conference was very strong as a whole this year.  The leading teams the last 3 years seemed to me to be much stronger than what we saw.  I kind of thought what happened on Sat was what was going to happen....

Oh well.  Let's see what happens in the future.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 24, 2014, 11:28:48 AM
Any word out there in Packerland, about what happened to to the St Norbert's HC???
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 24, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 23, 2014, 10:33:04 PM
Congrats to Macalester on a fine season.  You earned UW-W's respect both by never quitting on the field and in how you conducted yourselves.  It is obvious, the team is filled with fine young me.

I've been critical of MAC's move to the MWC, but let me also say, I think they played with a lot of heart v. UWW. That's not meant as a backhanded compliment. Whitewater is a dynasty and it's no easy thing to walk into the Perk for the first playoff game in program history. MAC came out swinging and never quit.

Tip of the cap to the coaches and players
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 24, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 24, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
I've been critical of MAC's move to the MWC, but let me also say, I think they played with a lot of heart v. UWW. That's not meant as a backhanded compliment. Whitewater is a dynasty and it's no easy thing to walk into the Perk for the first playoff game in program history. MAC came out swinging and never quit.

Tip of the cap to the coaches and players

What he said!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 25, 2014, 09:08:42 AM
Bates a Gagliardi finalist:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2014/11/gagliardi-semifinalists-announced
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on November 25, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
Logan Schrader, Dunlop, Illinois High School/Wartburg over Michael Bates, IC.  Schrader's 2014 body of work (11-0) tops Bates (7-3). 

GB/Puck, Still no comments on St. Norbert's coaching situations?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 25, 2014, 07:22:05 PM
I haven't heard anything. And been busy at work so I haven't been able to press the issue. Sorry
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 26, 2014, 09:37:57 AM
My guess is that the top finalists are still playing.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lumbercat on November 26, 2014, 01:41:52 PM
Does anyone know what the deal is with Opegnorth's resignation.
Thought he was a great fit and was doing a decent job.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 27, 2014, 12:00:03 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 26, 2014, 09:37:57 AM
My guess is that the top finalists are still playing.

Looked like they were just going to promote their d-coordinator to head coach.  Not sure what they are doing for the open dc position though
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 28, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
My money is on he's going back to NESCAC.   There are a number of reported hfc openings back in the Wall Street of D3.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: 46Hawk on November 28, 2014, 12:58:22 PM
Not a prayer in that ever happening!!!!! He didn't resign on his own terms.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 28, 2014, 02:46:09 PM
Now Hawk, you can't leave a morsel hanging out in the open like that.  Do tell.......
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lumbercat on November 30, 2014, 07:46:41 PM
Yeah, c'mon Hawk- are you really in the know on this or just talking ragtime?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 03, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
Still crickets from the Norberts crowd.  Just like when last years coach left.  It's becoming to be like the Bates Mansion!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on December 03, 2014, 04:14:33 PM
Wait until NEXT year's coach leaves SNC.  It will get REALLY quiet!   ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 03, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 03, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
Still crickets from the Norberts crowd.  Just like when last years coach left.  It's becoming to be like the Bates Mansion!

If I knew anything I would share. No point in random speculation.

(I realize I could be kicked off the Internet for that observation)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lumbercat on December 04, 2014, 12:07:23 AM
Gbpuckfan-
Although the SNC athletic department evidently manages personnel changes like the Kremlin you will not be "kicked off the Internet" for expressing your opinion.

SNC has had 9 coaches since they began the football program in 1930 and I thought they had a fine respected tradition.....They bring in Opegnorth last year as their new Head Coach with fine credentials and lot of energy.....He goes 6-4 and he "resigns" according to the SNC Athletic Department with no explanation whatsoever, really?

Evidently no one involved in or around the SNC Football program is asking any questions.....all gone ice fishing......  Isn't there any passion or pride in this program - nobody cares and those who do are afraid of being kicked off the Internet....Wisconsin or Russia????
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 04, 2014, 09:06:56 AM
I was not referring to the SNC athletic department in any way, shape or form.

I was trying to be funny and it didn't work, I guess... Chat boards seemed to be filled (sometimes, at least) with NOTHING BUT random speculation, rumor-mongering, false information and just plain ol' lies. By refusing to 'go there' I was joking I could be kicked off the net...

I certainly have some various ideas on what it could be, but haven't heard enough of anything from anyone to back them up. Until I do, I'm just not going there. It's not Russia; it's taking responsibility for my posts.

In this case, I have no information. And while I won't bore you with the mundane details of my life, I haven't been able to poke around any or get to other sporting events to ask.

That said, the ice is really too thin in most parts to do any fishing...  ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: lumbercat on December 04, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
Thanks Puckfan
My post also alittle tongue in cheek.
It's certainly not your job to report on Football devlopments at SNC. I was referring to the overall SNC athletic community who seem apathetic or indifferent to a significant personnel change in a fine Football program.
I won't probe any further- maybe its a hush-hush thing if the details involve something sticky.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 12, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
How are you guys looking for next year?

We had our end of year banquet last weekend and it only solidified my thought that Lake Forest is looking good for the future.  When my son got there 4 years ago, there were 61 players that showed up for camp in August.  Going into next season, there are 73 Freshman and Sophomores!  There has been a total culture change there and we are proud to have been part of it.  I know the coaches have been hitting the highway recruiting since the last game, so I'm looking forward to viewing the new guys highlight films.

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on December 17, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
Alex  Tanney  has signed up with the Tenn. Titans, practice squad.  Hope he can stay in the league  into 2015-2016
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on December 18, 2014, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 12, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
How are you guys looking for next year?

We had our end of year banquet last weekend and it only solidified my thought that Lake Forest is looking good for the future.  When my son got there 4 years ago, there were 61 players that showed up for camp in August.  Going into next season, there are 73 Freshman and Sophomores!  There has been a total culture change there and we are proud to have been part of it.  I know the coaches have been hitting the highway recruiting since the last game, so I'm looking forward to viewing the new guys highlight films.

I still think Illinois College has recruited well enough over the years to be pretty good next fall.  Of course, the QB position is the big caveat with Bates moving on.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 18, 2014, 02:32:07 PM
There are a number of players from the MWC playing for team Stars and Stripes down in Mexico Saturday.  There are players from Knox, Cornell, Lake Forest and Lawrence.  There is going to be a Webcast, although it will be in Spanish, you can get it here:

http://www.tvudlap.mx/

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 19, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on December 18, 2014, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on December 12, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
How are you guys looking for next year?

We had our end of year banquet last weekend and it only solidified my thought that Lake Forest is looking good for the future.  When my son got there 4 years ago, there were 61 players that showed up for camp in August.  Going into next season, there are 73 Freshman and Sophomores!  There has been a total culture change there and we are proud to have been part of it.  I know the coaches have been hitting the highway recruiting since the last game, so I'm looking forward to viewing the new guys highlight films.

I still think Illinois College has recruited well enough over the years to be pretty good next fall.  Of course, the QB position is the big caveat with Bates moving on.

I feel the same way about Monmouth going into next season, minus the QB part since both guys who played there this year will be back.  There will some holes to fill on both sides of the ball, but there are plenty of starters coming back and some young players who got great experience this season when guys went down with injuries.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 19, 2014, 12:06:35 PM
Anyone have thoughts on tonight's championship game?  I'm taking the Purple Raiders to win it--look like they're on a mission.

Mount Union 31
UW-Whitewater 20
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on December 20, 2014, 12:38:01 AM
Quote from: Maverick on December 19, 2014, 12:06:35 PM
Anyone have thoughts on tonight's championship game?  I'm taking the Purple Raiders to win it--look like they're on a mission.

Mount Union 31
UW-Whitewater 20

If Mount Union doesn't turn the ball over 19 times tonight, I don't think I would've been too far off with my score... ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on January 06, 2015, 03:53:37 PM
Lawrence hires coach:

APPLETON, Wis. — Rob McCarthy is the new head football coach at Lawrence University, Director of Athletics Mike Szkodzinski announced today.

McCarthy, the defensive line coach at Carleton College and former long-time defensive coordinator at St. Olaf College, becomes the 28th head coach in Lawrence's 122-year football history. A native of Deer River, Minn., McCarthy brings 25 years of coaching experience to Lawrence.

"I just think it's a great, great opportunity," McCarthy said of coming to Lawrence. "During my visits, I found a great excitement for football and a passion for excellence among the administration, faculty and alumni. That made me really want to be part of Lawrence's rich football tradition."

McCarthy said his first priority will be to build the Lawrence football family, and he wants to see greater depth in the program.

"No. 1, we want to build a football family where I is replaced by we, team is replaced by family. We will provide Lawrence student-athletes with a great experience. Winning will be a byproduct of doing things the right way," McCarthy said.

"In addition, recruiting will be a priority. We have to get the numbers up to provide a quality experience. We want to recruit young men who want excellence in their lives, both in academics and athletics. We will recruit the top student-athletes from the Fox Valley, the state of Wisconsin and the country."

Lawrence President Mark Burstein praised McCarthy's commitment to the student and the student-athlete.

"One of the distinctive aspects of Rob's candidacy was his strong support of students' interest to pursue more than one passion or – as we like to say – multi-interested students," Burstein said. "To reinforce this commitment, Rob has served through most of his career as the assistant men's and women's track coach where his student athletes have had significant success."

Szkodzinski said McCarthy emerged from a talented group of candidates to be the next leader of Lawrence's football program. A committee consisting of Lawrence administrators, faculty, students, trustees and alumni considered more than 100 applicants identified in a national search.

"We are very excited to welcome Rob to our staff as the next head football coach," Szkodzinski said. "The applicant pool was tremendously competitive and Coach McCarthy distinguished himself as one of the top recruiters in our pool."

Szkodzinski added that bringing McCarthy to Lawrence serves the best interests of the program and will keep the team moving forward. With the hiring of the McCarthy and the renovation of the Banta Bowl taking place this year, Szkodzinski reiterated the administration's commitment to football and the Department of Athletics as a whole.

"Rob's connections throughout the Midwest, Florida and nationally will serve our program well," Szkodzinski said. "Not only will he be able to attract tremendous student-athletes to Lawrence, as he has at other excellent institutions, his experience as a coordinator led us to believe that he has the tools to help us succeed on the field as well. We know Coach McCarthy will be an asset to the entire department and look forward to watching our program move back toward the top of the Midwest Conference."

This past fall was McCarthy's first at Carleton after spending the previous 12 seasons at St. Olaf College. While at St. Olaf, McCarthy was part of a coaching staff that put together the best 12-year record in school history with a 73-47 mark. McCarthy was responsible for bringing a number of stellar players to St. Olaf, including one (Horace Gant Jr.) that went on to play in the NFL, a number of All-Americans and many All-West Region and first-team All-Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference picks.

McCarthy served in a variety of roles, most notably as defensive coordinator, for the Oles. He also worked as the special teams coordinator and recruiting coordinator for St. Olaf, which won eight games in four different seasons during that 12-year span.

McCarthy began his coaching career at Concordia (Minn.) College, where he earned a bachelor's degree with a double major in English and speech, communications and theater arts in 1989. A standout defensive lineman for the Cobbers, McCarthy earned All-MIAC honors and helped his team to conference championships in 1986 and 1988.

After serving as an assistant coach at Concordia for the 1989 season, McCarthy moved to the University of St. Thomas (Minn.) in 1990. He served with the Tommies for five seasons and helped them win the MIAC championship in 1990. McCarthy then coached at Northwestern (Minn.) College and the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire over the next five seasons. He helped Northwestern win the 1995 Upper Midwest Athletic Conference title and was part of the UW-Eau Claire team that took the 1998 Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference championship.

McCarthy earned his Master of Science of Education in learning disabilities from UW-Eau Claire in 2000. He then returned to coach for one season at St. Thomas and one season at Pensacola (Fla.) High School before moving to St. Olaf.

After coaching for most of his career in Minnesota, McCarthy said Lawrence provided him exactly the opportunity he was seeking, both for himself and his family. McCarthy and his wife, Angie, have three children.

"It's a great place to raise a family," McCarthy said. "I wasn't just going to leave. It needed to be the right program. When this came up and everyone raved about Appleton and Lawrence, we knew this was the one."

Lawrence has been playing varsity football since 1893 and ranks third in Midwest Conference history with 16 league championships. The Vikings have won 496 games during their storied history, and that includes the distinction of being the first Midwest Conference team to host, and win, a NCAA Division III playoff game.

Lawrence has nearly 450 All-Midwest Conference selections since the league began choosing teams back in 1937. The Vikings have 66 All-America selections, starting with Claude Radtke in 1949. Lawrence also is the only school in the Midwest Conference to have a player, Scott Reppert in 2003, selected for the College Football Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 09, 2015, 04:46:41 PM
The Good Guys will be looking to reload from the top.  Good luck and Thank You to Coach Bell!

http://www.athletics.augustana.edu/news/2015/1/9/FB_0109151657.aspx

The Question:  How attractive would you rate the MC job, given their track record?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on January 10, 2015, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: scottie on January 09, 2015, 04:46:41 PM
The Good Guys will be looking to reload from the top.  Good luck and Thank You to Coach Bell!

http://www.athletics.augustana.edu/news/2015/1/9/FB_0109151657.aspx

The Question:  How attractive would you rate the MC job, given their track record?

I feel the Monmouth job would be one of the top two MWC football head coach positions.

I've only seen the Fighting Scots play home games against Wartburg and St. Norbert.  Both of these teams travel well, but at these games Monmouth appeared to have plenty of support from students and alumni.  At least to the point where the visitors didn't outnumber the home crowd.

Coach Bell has proven a coach can recruit to a small college in west central Illinois.

The Fighting Scots have decent facilities that would indicate institutional support.

It isn't probably a coaching matter, but I would like to see Monmouth ease up a bit and allow game days to take on a more festive atmosphere with tailgate parties and such being part of the event.

Now for what might be the controversial comment.  The MWC itself might be a problem for an up and coming young coach.  It doesn't appear that most of the conference feels strongly about athletic excellence. There is the opinion out there that winning in the MWC doesn't mean much on a regional or national level.  A MWC team that wins 2/3 of their conference games probably would win less than 1/2 in other midwestern conferences such as the CCIW, MIAC, WIAC, or the IIAC.  This might or might not be reality, but it is what I believe to be the perception. This perception was strengthened when Cornell came back to the MWC and has been respectable in football after having been an IIAC doormat for over a decade.

Regardless of this, I hope Monmouth gets a great coach.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 12, 2015, 08:44:03 AM
Good analysis, Hog.  MC has a new president, so MAYBE things will relax a bit on the festiveness of campus on game day -  or lack thereof.  And, I suppose it didn't help the MWC reputation after Macalester came in and won the league in year one (but they didn't play the REAL Scots, so there are always going to be some "what ifs").  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 12, 2015, 07:48:20 PM
Continuity!  http://monmouthscots.com/news/2015/1/12/FB_0112154834.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 13, 2015, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: scottie on January 12, 2015, 07:48:20 PM
Continuity!  http://monmouthscots.com/news/2015/1/12/FB_0112154834.aspx

Well said scottie!  Now we just gotta get it added to the Coaching Carousel page. ;)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
Quote from: Maverick on January 13, 2015, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: scottie on January 12, 2015, 07:48:20 PM
Continuity!  http://monmouthscots.com/news/2015/1/12/FB_0112154834.aspx

Well said scottie!  Now we just gotta get it added to the Coaching Carousel page. ;)

Little overloaded with basketball this time of year but will do it as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 13, 2015, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
Quote from: Maverick on January 13, 2015, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: scottie on January 12, 2015, 07:48:20 PM
Continuity!  http://monmouthscots.com/news/2015/1/12/FB_0112154834.aspx

Well said scottie!  Now we just gotta get it added to the Coaching Carousel page. ;)

Little overloaded with basketball this time of year but will do it as quickly as possible.

I know PC.  Just felt the need to channel my inner f-dad and give you a bit of a hard time since we haven't heard from him in awhile.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 14, 2015, 06:23:48 AM
Mav, did you miss me?

I only poke at PC when his pole puts teams from my local league that doesn't ever play out of their back yard into (or close to) the top 25.

Besides, I'm retired, don't you remember?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 14, 2015, 08:46:36 AM
I think you mean POLL.  This isn't THAT type of chat room.....   :o

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on January 14, 2015, 01:39:49 PM
Scottie,  You could have said to F......back  "Baby come back, blame it all on me, I miss you and can't live without you"
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on January 14, 2015, 06:23:48 AM
Mav, did you miss me?

I only poke at PC when his pole puts teams from my local league that doesn't ever play out of their back yard into (or close to) the top 25.

Besides, I'm retired, don't you remember?

Who doesn't miss f-dad when you're not around the board?  And do you really expect us to believe you're gonna stay retired??

Quote from: scottie on January 14, 2015, 08:46:36 AM
I think you mean POLL.  This isn't THAT type of chat room.....   :o

On second thought, maybe he actually is retired and has been filling his days by spending too much time in "different" chat rooms... ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 14, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
Alright, alright..... I suppose we shouldn't pile on if F-Dad isn't around 100% of his previous schedule to defend himself.   ;D
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on January 24, 2015, 02:45:39 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 22, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I call BS on this. If that was the case, why are you playing the rest of your sports in a conference that is such an odd fit?!  ???

You guys went to the MWC for competitive reasons in football. Fine, I think the MIAC should have given the rest of your sports the boot as well. And, FWIW, I don't want MAC to come back in football. Having 10 teams in the MIAC sponsoring football (one of them being MAC) won't help the top teams get at large bids for the playoffs as it will hurt SOS. I'd rather be able to schedule another quality non-con game.

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

I don't think it'd precipitate a 'severe drop off.' Contrary to the high minded attitudes of MAC and Carleton grads, the other MIAC institutions are very highly thought of. If MAC left, there'd be plenty of very good schools in the MIAC and Carleton as an elite school. Contrary to what you might think, some of us went to other MIAC schools despite getting accepted to schools with better academic reps and tougher admissions standards than MAC or Carleton.  :P

Again, I just don't want MAC to come back in football. 9 conference games each year pulls everyone's SoS back towards .500. SO, unless that school you're adding is a really good team, it doesn't benefit the other schools.

As for parity, I don't want conference parity. I want excellence and parity, we have the former and are increasingly improving the latter. There are plenty of conferences with remarkable parity and little quality. If I have to choose between the two, give me excellence.

Again, my beef isn't MAC leaving, it's that they stayed in the other sports and then guys like TAS are trying to tell us that it wasn't for competitive reasons. I think right now we have the worst possible option: MAC competing in a conference for football that isn't the MIAC. If that's the direction they want to go, then move all your sports. Or fully rejoin the MIAC. But if I'm honest, I'd rather have them leave all together. It'd help the basketball and baseball schedules as well. And we'd still retain Carleton, a better academic institution for our 'profile.'

That said, good luck today against UWW. Having played and coached in the NCAA playoffs, it's a great experience and I'm genuinely happy for the MAC players and coaches, who had nothing to do whatsoever with where MAC is currently playing.

Hey Hazzben,

You want to claim BS?  If Macalester wanted to pick a conference for football based on competitive reasons...why wouldn't they have picked the UMAC?  They could have easily competed in that conference?

Also, have you ever thought of what it would be like for programs like basketball or baseball to compete in a conference other than the MIAC?  Imagine the amount of travel...and expenses accrued for programs like that to play in the MWC? 

In football?  Not that big of a deal as it's 5...maybe 6...games a year to travel overnight and pay for hotel rooms and meals.  In men's/women's basketball, baseball/softball, or men's/women's soccer?  Might be a little different story, no?

Football is a totally different beast.  What does it take to be competitive in football in the MIAC...vs...what does it take to be competitive in basketball in the MIAC, or any other sport?  Football is so very much a numbers game.  In other sports, if you get 3 or 4 really good players, you can compete.  Take the MAC Men's basketball teams for example when I was there...1999-2003.  They had 3 or 4 really good players and they made the MIAC tournament consecutive years.  If you get 3 or 4 really good FOOTBALL players in the MIAC?...that's nothing!  Football in the MIAC?  The top programs are bringing in 40 - 50 freshmen a YEAR!!!  They are bound to have 10+ really good players in those types of programs.  Not to mention, in football, it's not like the other sports when you lose.  It's not like you are swinging and missing at a ball, or missing a jump shot, or not running as fast as the person next to you.  In football, when you lose, you are getting your body physically pounded and driven into the dirt! 

Macalester has had the best 6 year stretch in recruiting in the program's history...yet they've never had a freshmen class of 25+ athletes.  Why do you think that is?  Maybe it's because they have academic standards on par with the Ivy League schools...AND...they only have a student body enrollment of 2,000 students!  Have you ever had to try to recruit football players to Macalester?  Last time I checked...Macalester gets 6,000+ applications/year to fill an incoming class of about 500 students.  Are you kidding me?  6,000+ of the best an brightest...not just from MN...but from all over the entire world!  Do you want to pick the right ones to admit out of 6,000+, and only have room for 500? 

I'm not being elitist and I'm not saying that the other MIAC schools aren't good schools.  THEY ARE GREAT SCHOOLS!  However, the fact of the matter is that they are different.  That's what so many like you don't seem to understand.  Lots of people want to assume the because Macalester is located in MN and is a private school, it's just like all the other private schools in MN.  MAC IS NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN MN!  In my time at MAC I took classes at Hamline and St. Thomas through the ACTC program.  Why did I take those classes?  Bottom line is that I took those classes because of one of two reasons...They were either an easy A in a subject non-related to my major, but fulfilled a requirement, or they were not offered at Macalester.  Were there ever any students from any of the other ACTC school in my other classes at Macalester?  NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They might show up for the first day or two, but would quickly realize how much more work and how much more difficult it was going to be and drop out.  The other MIAC schools, no matter how bad they want to be, struggle to have the same academic rigor as a Macalester...or Carleton!  St. Olaf is trying, but they are not quite there yet.  AND look at what has happened with their football program.

If you want to act like you know everything there is to know about Macalester, why don't you try spending a day on their campus, attending the classes, meeting with the football coaches, talking to people of the Macalester community, and getting to know them and their institution?  Wait...dumb question...you already know everything there is to know about that, right?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2015, 01:07:43 AM
Hey, welcome back to the board, but wow -- take a breath.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on January 29, 2015, 10:56:23 AM
Freitag named Offensive Coordinator for the Fighting Scots!

http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2015/1/28/FB_0128154132.aspx
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on February 09, 2015, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: Maverick on January 29, 2015, 10:56:23 AM
Freitag named Offensive Coordinator for the Fighting Scots!

http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2015/1/28/FB_0128154132.aspx

This is so good in so many ways, I can hardly stand it!  :)
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 13, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
Former SNC head coach Don LaViolette died. He led the team to the 1989 playoffs with an at-large bid, which was almost unheard of for the MWC at the time.

http://fox11online.com/2015/02/13/de-pere-coaching-legend-laviolette-dies/

Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Point of information: all bids before 1989 were at-large bids.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on February 16, 2015, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on January 24, 2015, 02:45:39 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 22, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I call BS on this. If that was the case, why are you playing the rest of your sports in a conference that is such an odd fit?!  ???

You guys went to the MWC for competitive reasons in football. Fine, I think the MIAC should have given the rest of your sports the boot as well. And, FWIW, I don't want MAC to come back in football. Having 10 teams in the MIAC sponsoring football (one of them being MAC) won't help the top teams get at large bids for the playoffs as it will hurt SOS. I'd rather be able to schedule another quality non-con game.

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

I don't think it'd precipitate a 'severe drop off.' Contrary to the high minded attitudes of MAC and Carleton grads, the other MIAC institutions are very highly thought of. If MAC left, there'd be plenty of very good schools in the MIAC and Carleton as an elite school. Contrary to what you might think, some of us went to other MIAC schools despite getting accepted to schools with better academic reps and tougher admissions standards than MAC or Carleton.  :P

Again, I just don't want MAC to come back in football. 9 conference games each year pulls everyone's SoS back towards .500. SO, unless that school you're adding is a really good team, it doesn't benefit the other schools.

As for parity, I don't want conference parity. I want excellence and parity, we have the former and are increasingly improving the latter. There are plenty of conferences with remarkable parity and little quality. If I have to choose between the two, give me excellence.

Again, my beef isn't MAC leaving, it's that they stayed in the other sports and then guys like TAS are trying to tell us that it wasn't for competitive reasons. I think right now we have the worst possible option: MAC competing in a conference for football that isn't the MIAC. If that's the direction they want to go, then move all your sports. Or fully rejoin the MIAC. But if I'm honest, I'd rather have them leave all together. It'd help the basketball and baseball schedules as well. And we'd still retain Carleton, a better academic institution for our 'profile.'

That said, good luck today against UWW. Having played and coached in the NCAA playoffs, it's a great experience and I'm genuinely happy for the MAC players and coaches, who had nothing to do whatsoever with where MAC is currently playing.

Hey Hazzben,

You want to claim BS?  If Macalester wanted to pick a conference for football based on competitive reasons...why wouldn't they have picked the UMAC?  They could have easily competed in that conference?

Also, have you ever thought of what it would be like for programs like basketball or baseball to compete in a conference other than the MIAC?  Imagine the amount of travel...and expenses accrued for programs like that to play in the MWC? 

In football?  Not that big of a deal as it's 5...maybe 6...games a year to travel overnight and pay for hotel rooms and meals.  In men's/women's basketball, baseball/softball, or men's/women's soccer?  Might be a little different story, no?

Football is a totally different beast.  What does it take to be competitive in football in the MIAC...vs...what does it take to be competitive in basketball in the MIAC, or any other sport?  Football is so very much a numbers game.  In other sports, if you get 3 or 4 really good players, you can compete.  Take the MAC Men's basketball teams for example when I was there...1999-2003.  They had 3 or 4 really good players and they made the MIAC tournament consecutive years.  If you get 3 or 4 really good FOOTBALL players in the MIAC?...that's nothing!  Football in the MIAC?  The top programs are bringing in 40 - 50 freshmen a YEAR!!!  They are bound to have 10+ really good players in those types of programs.  Not to mention, in football, it's not like the other sports when you lose.  It's not like you are swinging and missing at a ball, or missing a jump shot, or not running as fast as the person next to you.  In football, when you lose, you are getting your body physically pounded and driven into the dirt! 

Macalester has had the best 6 year stretch in recruiting in the program's history...yet they've never had a freshmen class of 25+ athletes.  Why do you think that is?  Maybe it's because they have academic standards on par with the Ivy League schools...AND...they only have a student body enrollment of 2,000 students!  Have you ever had to try to recruit football players to Macalester?  Last time I checked...Macalester gets 6,000+ applications/year to fill an incoming class of about 500 students.  Are you kidding me?  6,000+ of the best an brightest...not just from MN...but from all over the entire world!  Do you want to pick the right ones to admit out of 6,000+, and only have room for 500? 

I'm not being elitist and I'm not saying that the other MIAC schools aren't good schools.  THEY ARE GREAT SCHOOLS!  However, the fact of the matter is that they are different.  That's what so many like you don't seem to understand.  Lots of people want to assume the because Macalester is located in MN and is a private school, it's just like all the other private schools in MN.  MAC IS NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN MN!  In my time at MAC I took classes at Hamline and St. Thomas through the ACTC program.  Why did I take those classes?  Bottom line is that I took those classes because of one of two reasons...They were either an easy A in a subject non-related to my major, but fulfilled a requirement, or they were not offered at Macalester.  Were there ever any students from any of the other ACTC school in my other classes at Macalester?  NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They might show up for the first day or two, but would quickly realize how much more work and how much more difficult it was going to be and drop out.  The other MIAC schools, no matter how bad they want to be, struggle to have the same academic rigor as a Macalester...or Carleton!  St. Olaf is trying, but they are not quite there yet.  AND look at what has happened with their football program.

If you want to act like you know everything there is to know about Macalester, why don't you try spending a day on their campus, attending the classes, meeting with the football coaches, talking to people of the Macalester community, and getting to know them and their institution?  Wait...dumb question...you already know everything there is to know about that, right?
Sounds like you worked your way into agreeing with Hazz that the move was for competitive reasons.  I'm glad to see that your time at MAC hasn't left you closed-minded.  ;D  The next time you hear someone complaining about the MWC getting a postseason bid ahead of another non-champion from a better league remind them that the tournament is set up like March Madness.  You don't think MAC is one of the best 32 teams in the country but you're excited to have a chance to pull an upset.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 16, 2015, 09:17:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Point of information: all bids before 1989 were at-large bids.

I know. I guess my point was the MWC was not a regular playoff participant in those days. Coe in 85 made it. Lawrence in 81. I may have missed one.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on February 17, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Point of information: all bids before 1999 were at-large bids.

Fixed your post!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2015, 07:59:45 AM
Thanks. Was on my phone. Didn't even notice.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on February 22, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
Quote from: AO on February 16, 2015, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on January 24, 2015, 02:45:39 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 22, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 20, 2014, 11:40:08 PM
Maybe, just maybe, Macalester didn't "PICK AND CHOOSE" a conference based on how "COMPETITIVE IT COULD BE".  Maybe, just maybe, the school made the decision to align itself with more similar, like minded institutions based on things like mission statements, admissions policies, and financial aid policies.


I call BS on this. If that was the case, why are you playing the rest of your sports in a conference that is such an odd fit?!  ???

You guys went to the MWC for competitive reasons in football. Fine, I think the MIAC should have given the rest of your sports the boot as well. And, FWIW, I don't want MAC to come back in football. Having 10 teams in the MIAC sponsoring football (one of them being MAC) won't help the top teams get at large bids for the playoffs as it will hurt SOS. I'd rather be able to schedule another quality non-con game.

Quote from: scottyeagle93 on November 21, 2014, 12:24:09 AM

Now I think some on the MIAC boards want to have their cake and eat it too.  They can say what a disgrace it is that Macalester is picking and choosing the sports to play in-conference, yet know that Mac's departure from the conference would result in a severe dropping off for the conference's academic profile.  Here's a question for you though:  would you rather see a healthy Macalester football team in the MIAC, with 70ish members on the team, or do you want the team that left the MIAC with 30ish players that you used as your personal footstool?  In-conference parity is something for which to strive, and having a competitive Macalester football team is in the best interest of the entire MIAC.  Despite this, it doesn't sound like you even want us back as a football member anyway.  The same people who bemoan our "picking and choosing" similarly bemoan the prospects of a nine-game conference schedule. 

I don't think it'd precipitate a 'severe drop off.' Contrary to the high minded attitudes of MAC and Carleton grads, the other MIAC institutions are very highly thought of. If MAC left, there'd be plenty of very good schools in the MIAC and Carleton as an elite school. Contrary to what you might think, some of us went to other MIAC schools despite getting accepted to schools with better academic reps and tougher admissions standards than MAC or Carleton.  :P

Again, I just don't want MAC to come back in football. 9 conference games each year pulls everyone's SoS back towards .500. SO, unless that school you're adding is a really good team, it doesn't benefit the other schools.

As for parity, I don't want conference parity. I want excellence and parity, we have the former and are increasingly improving the latter. There are plenty of conferences with remarkable parity and little quality. If I have to choose between the two, give me excellence.

Again, my beef isn't MAC leaving, it's that they stayed in the other sports and then guys like TAS are trying to tell us that it wasn't for competitive reasons. I think right now we have the worst possible option: MAC competing in a conference for football that isn't the MIAC. If that's the direction they want to go, then move all your sports. Or fully rejoin the MIAC. But if I'm honest, I'd rather have them leave all together. It'd help the basketball and baseball schedules as well. And we'd still retain Carleton, a better academic institution for our 'profile.'

That said, good luck today against UWW. Having played and coached in the NCAA playoffs, it's a great experience and I'm genuinely happy for the MAC players and coaches, who had nothing to do whatsoever with where MAC is currently playing.

Hey Hazzben,

You want to claim BS?  If Macalester wanted to pick a conference for football based on competitive reasons...why wouldn't they have picked the UMAC?  They could have easily competed in that conference?

Also, have you ever thought of what it would be like for programs like basketball or baseball to compete in a conference other than the MIAC?  Imagine the amount of travel...and expenses accrued for programs like that to play in the MWC? 

In football?  Not that big of a deal as it's 5...maybe 6...games a year to travel overnight and pay for hotel rooms and meals.  In men's/women's basketball, baseball/softball, or men's/women's soccer?  Might be a little different story, no?

Football is a totally different beast.  What does it take to be competitive in football in the MIAC...vs...what does it take to be competitive in basketball in the MIAC, or any other sport?  Football is so very much a numbers game.  In other sports, if you get 3 or 4 really good players, you can compete.  Take the MAC Men's basketball teams for example when I was there...1999-2003.  They had 3 or 4 really good players and they made the MIAC tournament consecutive years.  If you get 3 or 4 really good FOOTBALL players in the MIAC?...that's nothing!  Football in the MIAC?  The top programs are bringing in 40 - 50 freshmen a YEAR!!!  They are bound to have 10+ really good players in those types of programs.  Not to mention, in football, it's not like the other sports when you lose.  It's not like you are swinging and missing at a ball, or missing a jump shot, or not running as fast as the person next to you.  In football, when you lose, you are getting your body physically pounded and driven into the dirt! 

Macalester has had the best 6 year stretch in recruiting in the program's history...yet they've never had a freshmen class of 25+ athletes.  Why do you think that is?  Maybe it's because they have academic standards on par with the Ivy League schools...AND...they only have a student body enrollment of 2,000 students!  Have you ever had to try to recruit football players to Macalester?  Last time I checked...Macalester gets 6,000+ applications/year to fill an incoming class of about 500 students.  Are you kidding me?  6,000+ of the best an brightest...not just from MN...but from all over the entire world!  Do you want to pick the right ones to admit out of 6,000+, and only have room for 500? 

I'm not being elitist and I'm not saying that the other MIAC schools aren't good schools.  THEY ARE GREAT SCHOOLS!  However, the fact of the matter is that they are different.  That's what so many like you don't seem to understand.  Lots of people want to assume the because Macalester is located in MN and is a private school, it's just like all the other private schools in MN.  MAC IS NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN MN!  In my time at MAC I took classes at Hamline and St. Thomas through the ACTC program.  Why did I take those classes?  Bottom line is that I took those classes because of one of two reasons...They were either an easy A in a subject non-related to my major, but fulfilled a requirement, or they were not offered at Macalester.  Were there ever any students from any of the other ACTC school in my other classes at Macalester?  NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They might show up for the first day or two, but would quickly realize how much more work and how much more difficult it was going to be and drop out.  The other MIAC schools, no matter how bad they want to be, struggle to have the same academic rigor as a Macalester...or Carleton!  St. Olaf is trying, but they are not quite there yet.  AND look at what has happened with their football program.

If you want to act like you know everything there is to know about Macalester, why don't you try spending a day on their campus, attending the classes, meeting with the football coaches, talking to people of the Macalester community, and getting to know them and their institution?  Wait...dumb question...you already know everything there is to know about that, right?
Sounds like you worked your way into agreeing with Hazz that the move was for competitive reasons.  I'm glad to see that your time at MAC hasn't left you closed-minded.  ;D  The next time you hear someone complaining about the MWC getting a postseason bid ahead of another non-champion from a better league remind them that the tournament is set up like March Madness.  You don't think MAC is one of the best 32 teams in the country but you're excited to have a chance to pull an upset.

AO,
Can't say that I follow.  Care to shed any light?
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on February 24, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on February 22, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
Quote from: AO on February 16, 2015, 01:06:55 PM

Sounds like you worked your way into agreeing with Hazz that the move was for competitive reasons.  I'm glad to see that your time at MAC hasn't left you closed-minded.  ;D  The next time you hear someone complaining about the MWC getting a postseason bid ahead of another non-champion from a better league remind them that the tournament is set up like March Madness.  You don't think MAC is one of the best 32 teams in the country but you're excited to have a chance to pull an upset.

AO,
Can't say that I follow.  Care to shed any light?
You spent the whole post explaining how difficult it was to compete in the MIAC.  If it was for purely academic reasons you could have explained that every great football player with a brain would much rather go to MAC than St. Thomas.  You would say that you would be plenty competitive on the field if you wanted to rejoin the MIAC.

The move is made overall for competitive reasons.  One of the underlying reasons that MAC would struggle to compete is difficulty recruiting.  One of the reasons for the difficulty in recruiting is high admissions standards/smaller enrollment.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on March 26, 2015, 04:52:23 PM
Spring ball jumps off next week...

One of the best seasons in Carroll history will be promptly followed by one of the biggest rebuilds in Carroll history.  Looking forward to everyone's analysis regarding how the winter recruiting panned out for your respective squads and how things will be looking in 2015.

Go you CU
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 09, 2015, 11:16:31 AM
Lawrence to hire full-time athletic director:


Lawrence University is set to begin a new chapter by hiring a full-time director of athletics, university administrators announced today.

Current Director of Athletics and Head Hockey Coach Mike Szkodzinski said he is ready to return his focus solely to leading the hockey program. Despite splitting time between the roles of administrator and coach, Szkodzinski has put together a record of significant achievements during his nearly six years as athletic director.

"It has been a pleasure working with Coach Szkodzinski during my tenure here. Even with Mike's high energy and strategic approach to leading our athletic and hockey programs, it is evident that a full-time director of athletics is something Lawrence needs to reach our aspirations," Lawrence President Mark Burstein said. "Traditionally, the model at the University has been to have one of the coaches also serve as the director of athletics but bearing that sort of workload has become simply too much even for Mike."

Lawrence will conduct a national search for a new director of athletics, said Burstein, who praised the work done by Szkodzinski on a variety of fronts.

"Intercollegiate athletics are an integral component of our liberal arts mission and Mike has been a strong leader for our coaches and student-athletes," Burstein said. "With our growing investment in the athletic program, we want to be certain we continue the positive momentum Mike has started in the department of athletics. Having a full-time director of athletics is a crucial part of that formula for success."

Burstein added that Szkodzinski will remain at the head of the department of athletics, which consists of 20 full-time coaches and staff overseeing hundreds of student-athletes, until a successor is named.

"Mike has done outstanding work in leading our department of athletics, but I know, in his heart, he is first and foremost a hockey coach," Provost Dave Burrows said. "I know he wants the hockey team to have greater success in the best conference in the nation. To do that, he needs to devote all his energies to that team."

Szkodzinski was named the director of athletics in July 2009 and has coached the Lawrence hockey team for nine seasons. He has balanced that workload with family commitments to his wife, Tori, and three young children.
Mike-Szkodzinski_action_newsblogNamed head coach of the Vikings' hockey team in 2006, Mike Szkodzinski has guided the team to the most wins in school history.

"This is something I've been thinking about for some time and the support of President Burstein and Provost Burrows made it possible for me to hand over the reins of the department of athletics with the confidence that we are moving in the right direction," Szkodzinski said.

The department of athletics has seen a number of changes during Szkodzinski's tenure. Szkodzinski worked to increase the number of full-time staff members and was responsible for the hiring of standout coaches like Jason Fast (men's and women's cross country, track), Lisa Sammons (women's soccer), Steve Francour (men's and women's tennis), Ashley Wellman (women's basketball) as well as Rob McCarthy, Lawrence's new football coach.

In addition, Szkodzinski has played a leading role in the renovation of the Banta Bowl, which is underway. Szkodzinski's leadership, in partnership with Lawrence's development office, has spearheaded efforts to raise more than $4 million for the renovation of the venerable stadium. A renovated Banta Bowl will debut in fall 2015 to celebrate its 50th birthday and serve as the home of Lawrence football as well as men's and women's soccer.

Under Szkodzinski's leadership, the Lawrence tennis courts were recently resurfaced and had lights installed. Other facilities upgrades include a new track surface for Whiting Field and improvements to Alexander Gymnasium as well as both the baseball and softball fields.

"I am so proud and pleased with what we have been able to accomplish over the past six years," said Szkodzinski, who has won more hockey games than any coach in Lawrence history. "I believe we are positioned to succeed in the Midwest Conference and the Northern Collegiate Hockey Association. I'm excited about the prospect of returning my primary focus to our hockey team, but I'm ready to assist the new director of athletics as well."
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on April 10, 2015, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on March 26, 2015, 04:52:23 PM
Spring ball jumps off next week...

One of the best seasons in Carroll history will be promptly followed by one of the biggest rebuilds in Carroll history.  Looking forward to everyone's analysis regarding how the winter recruiting panned out for your respective squads and how things will be looking in 2015.

Go you CU

Monmouth got their spring sessions going on Wednesday.  Hoping for a productive and injury-free spring with Coach Braun!
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on April 15, 2015, 04:27:26 PM
Work at the Banta Bowl has started.
Title: Re: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 15, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
Work in progress in the Forest.  Heard some interesting news on the recruiting front.  But looks like my time here will be limited next year.  Son moving on to coaching.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on May 15, 2015, 02:45:02 PM
Board has been quiet for a month.  Hope everyone got through the spring practice period and kept people in one piece!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on May 15, 2015, 03:00:50 PM
I yearn for the day when (if?) Lawrence has spring practice. Too many multiple sport athletes and too small a roster in FB.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 21, 2015, 01:10:41 PM
Lawrence (D-III – WI): Per source, former Willamette (D-III – OR) head coach Mark Speckman has been hired as offensive coordinator.

Here comes the "fly" offense. 

http://www.gregorydoublewing.com/FlyOffense.pdf
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on May 23, 2015, 12:35:57 PM
No offense intended, but that's a pretty big name willing to come to Lawrence.  I wonder what the connections are.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 02, 2015, 05:34:32 PM
No offense taken. And I have not been able to find anything to confirm that report. I attended a reception Sunday about the Banta Bowl renovation and I did not spy anyone that looked like Mr. Speckman. His Wikipedia page still says he is coaching for Montreal.

In other Lawrence news the turf will be ready for practice in August. The front entry building probably will not be. Should be interesting to take tickets.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 03, 2015, 01:55:00 PM
Huh. Sometimes you need to check with a source before you decide something is not correct. The report regarding Mark Speckman is true. He is the new Lawrence OC. And yes, the Fly will appear at Ron Roberts Field this fall. I will need to study this beast. 

The connection, I think, is to work with a liberal arts school. And if Lawrence is anything it is a strong liberal arts school.

And, there is spring ball at Lawrence. Or was this year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 04, 2015, 09:37:26 AM
Do you mean spring practice? 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 04, 2015, 03:26:01 PM
Yes. I was not involved in athletics when I was a student (and dinosaurs roamed) and so I was not aware that Lawrence actually had spring football practice until this week. Another activity to look forward to when I retire.  :D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 04, 2015, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on June 03, 2015, 01:55:00 PM
Huh. Sometimes you need to check with a source before you decide something is not correct. The report regarding Mark Speckman is true. He is the new Lawrence OC. And yes, the Fly will appear at Ron Roberts Field this fall. I will need to study this beast.

The connection, I think, is to work with a liberal arts school. And if Lawrence is anything it is a strong liberal arts school.

And, there is spring ball at Lawrence. Or was this year.


Here's a place to start: http://www.gregorydoublewing.com/FlyOffense.pdf
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on June 09, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
The most popular month of the year to talk about Lawrence football is.....June.  :)  Sorry, couldn't help it.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on June 09, 2015, 04:46:51 PM
Ohhh Scottie, ouch!

As has been said many times on these boards.  "It's not the X's and the O's, it's the Johnny's and the Joe"s".

Lawrence needs to settle some things at the home front in order to start revving their engines.  The coach switch mid season last year didn't help.  And I thought I heard the roster was somewhere in the 30's or 40's? 

We'll see though I guess. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 10, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
Oh, trust me, there is no ouch on that. Truth is truth.

I am old enough (class of 1988) that I was a student the last time Lawrence won a conference title and had a winning season. As I have told my fellow Larrys, I fantasize about winning again. And at this point it is a fantasy.

Still, the renovated stadium is a big start. The new coaching staff is another piece of the puzzle. The last guy (what's his name that quit after one game) was NOT a school decision. You do not fire someone one game into the season while raising money for the field. That was all him. So long, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

My hope this year: get me three wins total. I would be thrilled.

Meanwhile, this booster (erm, "booster") will just get comfortable here among you MWC fans.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on June 15, 2015, 09:14:42 AM
With U of Chicago leaving the SAA, it seems the likely landing spot for the Maroons could very well be the Midwest for football which could offset Carroll leaving the league.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 15, 2015, 01:30:24 PM
UofC returning to the Midwest would be a positive thing in my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: carletonknights on June 19, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
I think UChi moving to the midwest is very exciting.  I wish Carleton would follow Mac's move.  Would be great to see the Knights playing against some other schools on the same academic level (no offense to the rest of the MIAC) with the likes of UChi, Grinnel, and Mac (and others)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 24, 2015, 02:27:24 PM
Just wondering out loud. What would be the make up of the ideal MWC?

Per the MCW website: Charter members were Beloit, Carleton, Coe, Cornell, Knox and Lawrence.  Hamline and Millikin joined the league in December 1921 but later withdrew. Ripon joined the Conference in 1923, Monmouth in 1924, Grinnell in 1940 and Lake Forest in 1974. Illinois College and St. Norbert joined in 1982 and Carroll followed in 1992. Carleton withdrew following the 1982-83 academic year.  St. Olaf also competed in the conference from 1952-74, as did the University of Chicago from 1976-87. Coe and Cornell withdrew following the 1996-97 academic year, and in 2012 Cornell returned to the league.

All of the current members are also part of the ACM except SNC and Carroll. Carroll is leaving after this year. Missing from the ACM are Colorado College (not a fit geographically and do they play football?), Carleton, St. Olaf, Luther, and Coe (probably a perfectly fine fit in the IIAC). Chicago would be the largest of the group but would fit geographically and certainly match up academically.

Would a 14 team conference work?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on June 24, 2015, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on June 24, 2015, 02:27:24 PM
Just wondering out loud. What would be the make up of the ideal MWC?

Per the MCW website: Charter members were Beloit, Carleton, Coe, Cornell, Knox and Lawrence.  Hamline and Millikin joined the league in December 1921 but later withdrew. Ripon joined the Conference in 1923, Monmouth in 1924, Grinnell in 1940 and Lake Forest in 1974. Illinois College and St. Norbert joined in 1982 and Carroll followed in 1992. Carleton withdrew following the 1982-83 academic year.  St. Olaf also competed in the conference from 1952-74, as did the University of Chicago from 1976-87. Coe and Cornell withdrew following the 1996-97 academic year, and in 2012 Cornell returned to the league.

All of the current members are also part of the ACM except SNC and Carroll. Carroll is leaving after this year. Missing from the ACM are Colorado College (not a fit geographically and do they play football?), Carleton, St. Olaf, Luther, and Coe (probably a perfectly fine fit in the IIAC). Chicago would be the largest of the group but would fit geographically and certainly match up academically.

Would a 14 team conference work?

I think so. Football would keep the same setup with a few alterations to the scheduling aspect. For other sports they may have to possibly expand the conference tournament to include a few more teams.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 29, 2015, 01:32:34 PM
I don't see Coe coming back. U of C will be good for football. Marian might make a good fit but somehow doubt they would their current conference. But they already play hockey in conference with Lawrence, Lake Forest and SNC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on June 30, 2015, 01:05:22 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on June 29, 2015, 01:32:34 PM
I don't see Coe coming back. U of C will be good for football. Marian might make a good fit but somehow doubt they would their current conference. But they already play hockey in conference with Lawrence, Lake Forest and SNC.

Don't really think Marian would compete that well in the Midwest. They are middle of the pack in a majority of sports in the NACC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 30, 2015, 01:57:05 PM
I have no problem with beating the Sabres! But in terms of geography, etc, it might fit.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on July 01, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
Does Marian play football? I haven't found anything on that. I know they play Lawrence and others in non-conference buckets, track, baseball etc. due to geography. Not sure they match up well academically with the rest of the conference. They may fit better with Wisconsin Lutheran, Lakeland, Silver Lake.

Still, it would be interesting to see how the MWC shakes out with Carroll leaving, Macalester joining for football, UofC floating around out there...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: carletonknights on July 03, 2015, 09:12:38 AM
A 14 team conference with the ACM members plus UChi instead of Colorado College (for football at least), would truly be magnificent
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on July 03, 2015, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 01, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
Does Marian play football? I haven't found anything on that. I know they play Lawrence and others in non-conference buckets, track, baseball etc. due to geography. Not sure they match up well academically with the rest of the conference. They may fit better with Wisconsin Lutheran, Lakeland, Silver Lake.

Still, it would be interesting to see how the MWC shakes out with Carroll leaving, Macalester joining for football, UofC floating around out there...

Marian doesn't play football but I've heard they have wanted to start it for a long time. I don't think they're anywhere close but if they ever can it would be great for the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on July 04, 2015, 03:35:27 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on July 03, 2015, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 01, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
Does Marian play football? I haven't found anything on that. I know they play Lawrence and others in non-conference buckets, track, baseball etc. due to geography. Not sure they match up well academically with the rest of the conference. They may fit better with Wisconsin Lutheran, Lakeland, Silver Lake.

Still, it would be interesting to see how the MWC shakes out with Carroll leaving, Macalester joining for football, UofC floating around out there...

Marian doesn't play football but I've heard they have wanted to start it for a long time. I don't think they're anywhere close but if they ever can it would be great for the conference.

Silver Lake is not in the NACC or DIII, they are in the USCAA. I doubt Marian would bolt the NACC for the Midwest. They would have a hard time competing with other schools outside of Beloit and Lawrence.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on July 13, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Looks like Monmouth made the D3 preseason list at 43. Is the MWC really so bad that they get only one team in the top 50? Saw another poll (Lindy, maybe?) that had Monmouth 19.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: MediaGuy on July 13, 2015, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 13, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Looks like Monmouth made the D3 preseason list at 43. Is the MWC really so bad that they get only one team in the top 50? Saw another poll (Lindy, maybe?) that had Monmouth 19.

I think a lot has to be said about the fact the Monmouth has a new head coach.  I think the pollsters have seen time and time again, teams with good talent struggle to find an identity with a new head coach.  No matter how close the new coach was to the program in the past, it always seems like a team will have a hard time getting used to the new "system" and take at least a few weeks to adjust.  And with the limited non-conference schedule available to the MWC, it will be hard to make an impression throughout the region unless they can get out to a quick start.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2015, 01:06:51 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 13, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Looks like Monmouth made the D3 preseason list at 43. Is the MWC really so bad that they get only one team in the top 50? Saw another poll (Lindy, maybe?) that had Monmouth 19.

Magazines don't conduct polls, it's just one person doing a ranking. I think that's important to remember. That's why we have 25 voters who are stationed throughout the country, so we can get a good composite snapshot of the country.

There's no No. 43 in our poll, only 1-25. Monmouth got three points, which is the equivalent of sitting No. 23 on one person's ballot. If that person had submitted their ballot to a magazine ...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 24, 2015, 08:58:36 AM
some good pictures of the renovations at the Banta Bowl on LU's twitter account:
https://twitter.com/LUvikings

The hill is gone, but on the endzone to the right, I wouldn't want to overrun a fly pattern to the "L"!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on July 24, 2015, 09:27:24 AM
I stopped by yesterday, and while the space is tight the pictures make it look tighter than it is. Soccer will played on that surface, too. The plaza will not be finished by September 5 but the field will be practice-ready by August 17. Improved facilities, new coaching staff now to get more and better players to enroll at LU.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on July 24, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 13, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Looks like Monmouth made the D3 preseason list at 43. Is the MWC really so bad that they get only one team in the top 50? Saw another poll (Lindy, maybe?) that had Monmouth 19.

Do you really want to know the answer to that?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on July 24, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
No, dtrain, the question was rhetorical. Depressing but rhetorical.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: carletonknights on July 24, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 24, 2015, 09:27:24 AM
I stopped by yesterday, and while the space is tight the pictures make it look tighter than it is. Soccer will played on that surface, too. The plaza will not be finished by September 5 but the field will be practice-ready by August 17. Improved facilities, new coaching staff now to get more and better players to enroll at LU.

Looks nice!  How exciting for the program!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on July 26, 2015, 09:01:03 AM
Quote from: carletonknights on July 24, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 24, 2015, 09:27:24 AM
I stopped by yesterday, and while the space is tight the pictures make it look tighter than it is. Soccer will played on that surface, too. The plaza will not be finished by September 5 but the field will be practice-ready by August 17. Improved facilities, new coaching staff now to get more and better players to enroll at LU.

Looks nice!  How exciting for the program!

Prolly needed due to the fact Lawrence isn't the only one using the field for Football. Appleton West uses it for their home games. Lawrence still has a ways to go to be competitive against other teams not named Beloit and Knox though but this is a step in the right direction for them.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on July 27, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
West will not be using the Banta Bowl anymore. They will be getting their own turf field and AASD chose not to participate in the Banta Bowl renovation. LU will use the field for football, mens and womens soccer and, maybe someday, lacrosse.

And yes, there is a ways to go to be competitive. But I like the start so far.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 04, 2015, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 27, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
West will not be using the Banta Bowl anymore. They will be getting their own turf field and AASD chose not to participate in the Banta Bowl renovation. LU will use the field for football, mens and womens soccer and, maybe someday, lacrosse.

And yes, there is a ways to go to be competitive. But I like the start so far.

I'm told West is indeed playing at the Banta this year.

And Wissports.net seems to confirm:
http://www.wissports.net/page/show/1941027-appleton-west?subseason=231960
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 04, 2015, 02:39:07 PM
Wonder if AASD knows that it won't be free any more? They were asked to contribute, and they chose not to. Methinks that means a rental is in order.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 05, 2015, 08:44:42 AM
As usual, puckfan knows more than I do. West will be playing in the Banta. They will be paying for that particular opportunity until their field is upgraded. West is getting turf but only after North and East are finished.

Maybe I need to see a high school game again. Been a long time.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 05, 2015, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 05, 2015, 08:44:42 AM
As usual, puckfan knows more than I do. They will be paying for that particular opportunity until their field is upgraded. West is getting turf but only after North and East are finished.


Well, thanks... but I just happened to talk to someone who could confirm West was playing there. All of the work won't be done at the Banta until the Lawrence game 9/5, however. And West plays 8/21.,

I think West also needs to add more bleachers and a press box before it will be ready to host conference games.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 06, 2015, 01:03:18 PM
Press box would be nice even at the Banta. Now, if I could win Powerball and help with that...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 06, 2015, 02:21:18 PM
Keep talking about high school football??????
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 10, 2015, 04:01:17 PM
Hello, a bunch of us are looking to do a West Region fan poll again this year. I'm still looking for a few more participants if anyone is interested. I would love to get one or two more participanst from the MWC. You just have to send me your list of top 10 teams from the West each week. I'll put everyone's picks together and post the results in the West region. It usually makes for a good debate.

Please send me a message if you're interested.

Much appreciated. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 14, 2015, 01:37:06 PM
Coaches preseason poll is out.

http://midwestconference.org/news/2015/8/14/FB_0814155519.aspx

Big surprise to me is Carroll on the top of their side.  I think I would have picked Macalister.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 14, 2015, 01:45:51 PM
Macalester lost their QB to graduation. That will hurt them this season. The North is a classic case of haves and have nots right now.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: carletonknights on August 14, 2015, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 14, 2015, 01:45:51 PM
Macalester lost their QB to graduation. That will hurt them this season. The North is a classic case of haves and have nots right now.

The loss of the QB is big, but I believe they're losing quite a few other major contributors as well (lot of D, RB, WR), no? I'm just looking forward Week 1: Knights & Scots
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on August 15, 2015, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: carletonknights on August 14, 2015, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 14, 2015, 01:45:51 PM
Macalester lost their QB to graduation. That will hurt them this season. The North is a classic case of haves and have nots right now.

The loss of the QB is big, but I believe they're losing quite a few other major contributors as well (lot of D, RB, WR), no? I'm just looking forward Week 1: Knights & Scots

Mac lost a decent amount of defensive talent and obviously the quarterback, but their starting running back and all but one of the wide receivers will be back.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on August 18, 2015, 04:43:11 PM
Whats up men,

That time of year is again upon us...
 
I will have a much more complete breakdown of the 2015 CU roster once camp breaks, but my initial thought = I am somewhat puzzled as to how we are picked to win the North as well.  I know that MAC suffers a huge hit by losing their QB (He pretty much put the team on his back and took over in the Carroll game), but does that really make up for the losses that Carroll had?  In my opinion, Carroll said goodbye to three of the best players in the school's history (Williams at RB, Klapper at SS and Blank at TE).  They will also struggle to replace great players like Tamblyn on the OL, Nass at DE, and Sahli at LB.  These are huge holes that were filled last season by quality all-conference players...

Now... Saying all that... I still am in shock that I am even discussing a Carroll team that is predicted to win the North.  The program has come such a long way and I could not be more proud of the team and the staff.  Hopefully the return of Burlingame under center and the return of several other all-conference players ends with the Pioneers living up to the expectations.  There are also rumors out of Waukesha that some of the incoming freshman are true world-beaters.  I guess only time will tell. Until then, let the Midwest Conference intensity begin.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 19, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
Another part of the North picture is just how bad everyone seems to be. SNC has a rebuilt staff. Ripon has had several down years. Lawrence and Beloit have had several down decades (and yes, I am an LU guy).

And would it be a little ironic that a first season team wins followed by a last season team?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 19, 2015, 04:39:26 PM
I think Lake Forest has the potential to be moving up this year.  They had a lot of younger players that got a some good playing experience.  Especially on the D Line.  They should be a force this year.

I heard they picked up 2 very good Freshman QB's. 

Should be interesting to watch. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 21, 2015, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 14, 2015, 01:37:06 PM
Coaches preseason poll is out.

http://midwestconference.org/news/2015/8/14/FB_0814155519.aspx

Big surprise to me is Carroll on the top of their side.  I think I would have picked Macalister.....

HUGE surprise with the South picks!  Okay, not so much....   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 22, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
Prediction 2015:  Scots go to DePere, Wi for MWC championship game
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2015, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: grboob on August 22, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
Prediction 2015:  Scots go to DePere, Wi for MWC championship game

I was confused until I realized which of the MWC's Scots you meant.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 22, 2015, 06:22:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2015, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: grboob on August 22, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
Prediction 2015:  Scots go to DePere, Wi for MWC championship game

I was confused until I realized which of the MWC's Scots you meant.

Actually grboob should have said "Fighting Scots." Macalester is just normal Scots. Monmouth are Scots that fight.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 23, 2015, 12:03:27 PM
Boob,

I am terribly shocked by your picks. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 23, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
SCOTTIE, glad to see you awoke from your winter/spring/summer nap!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: grboob on August 23, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: grboob on Yesterday at 01:46:02 pm
Prediction 2015:  Scots go to DePere, Wi for MWC championship game

I was confused until I realized which of the MWC's Scots you meant.
___________________________________________


Pat, I understand your confusion since you are used to the former MIAC Scots however, we have to wait and see if your Minn. Scots were a one time wonder in 2014. ???
Go Fighting Scots
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2015, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: grboob on August 23, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: grboob on Yesterday at 01:46:02 pm
Prediction 2015:  Scots go to DePere, Wi for MWC championship game

I was confused until I realized which of the MWC's Scots you meant.
___________________________________________


Pat, I understand your confusion since you are used to the former MIAC Scots however, we have to wait and see if your Minn. Scots were a one time wonder in 2014. ???
Go Fighting Scots

That's OK -- they're not my Scots. :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 25, 2015, 09:15:42 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 23, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
SCOTTIE, glad to see you awoke from your winter/spring/summer nap!

Good morning, and get off my lawn!!   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 04, 2015, 01:30:07 PM
Too quiet on here leading up to Week 1...WELCOME TO THE 2015 SEASON EVERYONE!!!

Week 1 Games

Beloit @ Concordia-Chicago - CC
Lakeland @ Carroll - CU
Iowa Wesleyan @ Cornell - CC
Illinois C. @ Aurora - IC
Knox @ Eureka - KC
Rockford @ Lawrence - RC
Macalester @ Carleton - MC
Monmouth @ Hope - MC
St. Scholastica @ Ripon - RC
Carthage @ St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Monmouth and go get Coach Braun his first official head coaching victory!  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 04, 2015, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 04, 2015, 01:30:07 PM
Too quiet on here leading up to Week 1...WELCOME TO THE 2015 SEASON EVERYONE!!!

Week 1 Games

Beloit @ Concordia-Chicago - CC
Lakeland @ Carroll - CU
Iowa Wesleyan @ Cornell - CC
Illinois C. @ Aurora - IC
Knox @ Eureka - KC
Rockford @ Lawrence - RC
Macalester @ Carleton - MC
Monmouth @ Hope - MC
St. Scholastica @ Ripon - RC
Carthage @ St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Monmouth and go get Coach Braun his first official head coaching victory!  Roll Scots! 8-)

Ripon over scholastica is quite the bold choice
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 04, 2015, 01:56:37 PM
Anybody catch Tennessee Titan Tanney last night?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 04, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 04, 2015, 01:56:37 PM
Anybody catch Tennessee Titan Tanney last night?

Did he make the final cut?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 05, 2015, 06:48:49 AM
Mav,

Did you purposely leave out the Lake Forest-Wisconsin Lutheran game?  Did Vegas leave it off the board?

Lake Forest wins a high scoring game.

And Beloit wins....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 02:07:52 PM
Boockmeier scores on 30 yard screen to cap opening drive. PAT wide right. SNC leads Carthage 6-0. SNC OL line doing a good job.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 02:23:16 PM
Carthage moving the ball at will but first two drives ended in INT and muffed snap on FG attempt.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 02:43:26 PM
SNC gets 57 yd Td on a fourth and 1.  13-0 SNC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 02:52:29 PM
SNC 66 yard TD run on 3rd and 1. 20-0 SNC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 02:58:36 PM
Carthageagain moves ball at will - and SNC intercepts at the 8
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 03:44:32 PM
SNC forces a turnover, gets FG.

CC responds with TD drive. Misses two point attempt

23-6 SNC.  6:43 left in third. Still hot
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
Another SNC interception on a sailing pass.  Converted to a TD run. 29-6 with :40 left in third
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 03:57:45 PM
Lake Forest was up 24-3 at half at home but Wisconsin Lutheran has come to life in the third quarter scoring 13 unanswered points. Lake Forest has a 24-16 lead mid-third.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 04:06:22 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran ties it up at 24. 21 straight unanswered points for the Warriors.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
SNC 84 yard int for TD. 35-6 with 12:48 left
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 05, 2015, 04:33:42 PM
Good Guys over Hope 31-19.   
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 04:34:51 PM
Final. SNC wins 35-6. Big plays on both sides of the ball all day
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 05:12:39 PM
Back home, showered and cooler.

All in all, hard to complain about a 35-6 win.

SNC forced multiple turnovers. Some were Carthage just overthrowing receivers, some were good plays by SNC to strip the ball and force interceptions. And, SNC was able to score on them - and I don't think SNC turned it over once.

CC was able to move the ball very well at times. But the Red Men just couldn't finish drives...

Elsewhere...

Rockford beat Lawrence, 52-17

Carleton beat Macalester, 27-12

IC beat Aurora, 53-20

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
LFC gets a TD on fourth down to tie it. Going to 2OT, 31-31
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 05:27:33 PM
LFC scores on 4th and goal from the half-foot line to open the 2nd OT.

LFC bad snap on the EXP, so its 37-31.

BUT, WLC had a personal foul on the TD, so it will start at the 40.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 05:33:35 PM
touchdown LFC ... a few plays after a 20-yard run.

EXP good - Wisconsin Lutheran wins

LFC had wanted a grounding call during the drive but didn't get it...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 05:36:17 PM
Eureka beat Knox, 32-21

Ripon beat CSS, 17-16

I believe Beloit and Concordia are tied at 35
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 05:46:38 PM
Beloit up 42-35 with about 6 left
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 06:05:25 PM
CUC  took the lead, but a long BC TD - with a few broken tackles - gives the Bucs a 50-43 lead with 1:59 left
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 05, 2015, 06:07:14 PM
MWC fans, please note you have reached page 666 on your postings!

Saw the Monmouth - Hope game today.  Teams seemed fairly evenly matched for the 1st half and then Monmouth's depth and consistency took over in the 2nd half.  I liked the versatility of Monmouth's QB along with not having to rely on just one running back.  Hope seemed vulnerable to the medium passing game which aided Monmouth's success.  The defense kept Hope sputtering on offense especially the 2nd half passing game.  Take out Hope's big KO return and the final score would have been more indicative of Hope's inconsistencies.  Prospects for the Fighting Scots look good.

And even though we got "skunked" by St. John's today ... Go Spartans!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 06:21:14 PM
CUC scores with 13.8 left, goes for two, gets it. Has 51-50 lead on Beloit.

Kickoff to come...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2015, 06:26:23 PM
Beloit's 59 yard field goal attempt at the buzzer falls short, Concordia wins
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on September 05, 2015, 06:07:14 PM
MWC fans, please note you have reached page 666 on your postings!

Uh oh.

Lake Forest blows a 24-3 halftime lead and loses in double-overtime to Wisconsin Lutheran 38-37.

Lawrence got hammered by Rockford 52-17.

Illinois College handles Aurora 53-20.

The Midwest goes 1-3 against the NACC today.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 10:41:45 PM
Carroll-Lakeland heading down to the wire tied at 27. Carroll has the ball near midfield.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 10:41:45 PM
Carroll-Lakeland heading down to the wire tied at 27. Carroll has the ball near midfield.

Lakeland wins 34-33 in overtime.

NACC goes 4-1 against the Midwest this week.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 05, 2015, 11:24:02 PM
Lakeland puts us in rebuild mode after 1 game... Piss poor in every facet of the game for the Pioneers. Interceptions, blocked extra points, botched punt snaps, an 8 point lead blown with 5 min left, and the inability to score from the 1 yard line to win in overtime. The young talent in the secondary was not used to the pace of 4 quarters of college football and the immaturity wound up biting us in the ass. A few good things, but this is a far cry from last season... At least it's non conference I guess... Lots of work to be done in Waukesha... Until then, I'm going for a drink
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2015, 12:15:32 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad link=topic=4737.msg1676254#msg1676254
date=1441450129

Mav,

Did you purposely leave out the Lake Forest-Wisconsin Lutheran game?  Did Vegas leave it off the board?

Lake Forest wins a high scoring game.

And Beloit wins....

No, that was unintentional...somehow I just managed to miss that game line on the MWC composite schedule. I would've picked the Foresters to win so it counts against me either way.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 06, 2015, 12:29:48 AM
I see Lawrence has only 37 players listed on their roster.....OUCH!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 06, 2015, 06:43:44 AM
Lawrence has had some bad stuff happening at their program in the last year.  Think you can lay some of that roster size to some behind the scenes moves.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 06, 2015, 02:03:45 PM
I attended the Lawrence and Rockford game. A bunch of big plays (and lots of broken tackles) led to a 35-0 halftime lead for Rockford. Even with a gift TD on a botched kickoff to start the second half (you have to catch the ball, boys) Lawrence fought to a 17-17 for the half. Spirit was there but the athletes are still coming. Lots of freshmen and sophs playing a lot.

Bad things in the program at Lawrence? Well, the head coach quit last year after the first game. He just texted in he was quitting. This pretty well ended recruiting and no one is back from that staff. New staff clearly teaching and the recruiting will need to improve. I hope for better days. This might be an ugly year in Appleton. After 25 years of bad football I can wait a year or two longer.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2015, 06:38:28 AM
Now Judge, do you really think the Head Coach just texted in that he was done?  Might there have been more to the story than that?

Why would a head coach quit mid season.  One who's own son is on the team and who's older son just graduated?  I'm sure you are getting what the "administration" wants you to hear, "Coach just texted in and quit".  But there must be more to the story.

Kind of like what happened up at SNC last year?  Why would a head coach move all the way out, and then leave in a hurry and move back to the Northeast?  Now if he were out of coaching all together, I'd start to think that maybe he did something terribly wrong and they parted ways quietly.  But that coach moved back to become an Assistant in the NESCAC.

Hmmm, things that make you go hmmm. 

By the way, I am not saying Coach Barthelmess did anything wrong.  Actually the opposite.  And I've heard Issac is doing very will in the LFC system.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2015, 08:59:54 AM
Sometimes there are just "bad hires." Not that there are bad people involved; that's not what I am saying. But some people get there and decide it's not what they thought it would be. Or the school discovers the coach isn't what they thought. It might not be a good fit based on culture, expectations, hopes, resources, and so on. A change doesn't necessarily mean something heinous is going on - and that the parties figured out they are better moving forward separately than together.

And, they are called "personnel" decisions for a reason, although sometimes "personal" might be the better word for it. I know we want to know every detail - and sometimes it may just be better to move on.

It's easier for fans, of course, we aren't the ones caught up in or having a year of our eligibility significantly affected...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2015, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2015, 06:38:28 AM
Why would a head coach quit mid season.  One who's own son is on the team and who's older son just graduated?  I'm sure you are getting what the "administration" wants you to hear, "Coach just texted in and quit".  But there must be more to the story.

I heard it that way too, from someone pretty close to the situation but not in the Lawrence administration. It seems to be the narrative, if nothing else.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2015, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2015, 06:38:28 AM
Kind of like what happened up at SNC last year?  Why would a head coach move all the way out, and then leave in a hurry and move back to the Northeast?  Now if he were out of coaching all together, I'd start to think that maybe he did something terribly wrong and they parted ways quietly.  But that coach moved back to become an Assistant in the NESCAC.

Hmmm, things that make you go hmmm. 

Definitely lots of hmmm in that situation!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2015, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 11:08:20 PM

NACC goes 4-1 against the Midwest this week.

Is "unacceptable" too strong of a word?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 08, 2015, 01:58:03 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2015, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 11:08:20 PM

NACC goes 4-1 against the Midwest this week.

Is "unacceptable" too strong of a word?

Not really. WLC and Lakeland were slotted 2nd and 3rd in the preseason NACC poll respectively, though I am surprised by Lakeland's win over Carroll. CUC and Rockford shown improvement (Rockford especially) so far. It wasn't that much for the Midwest being 4-1 instead of 1-4 against us.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 08, 2015, 01:58:56 PM
It's results like that which send the MWC champ straight to Whitewater.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 08, 2015, 04:40:25 PM
You are absolutely correct, scottie. I think the conference is down these days. It is pretty clear there are only a few "good" teams. And the bad are really bad. Better teams would improve the conference, I think, as would improved performances in that inevitable tilt with Whitewater.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 09, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
Great Great Great post Scottie.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 09, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
I do what I can.  And a smart audience seems to appreciate it.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 10, 2015, 11:07:41 AM
An awesome lampoon on the Good Guys' next opponent....   ;D

Borrowed from the IIAC board:  http://simpsonacorn.com/2015/08/13/new-central-college-mascot-the-fighting-foam-fingers-to-promote-rectal-health/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 10, 2015, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 09, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
I do what I can.  And a smart audience seems to appreciate it.  :)

Well, it is the Midwest Conference, so...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 11, 2015, 09:12:27 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 10, 2015, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 09, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
I do what I can.  And a smart audience seems to appreciate it.  :)

Well, it is the Midwest Conference, so...

Anything goes hehe.

Quote from: scottie on September 08, 2015, 01:58:56 PM
It's results like that which send the MWC champ straight to Whitewater.

Yeah well I am not confident whoever the NACC sends won't escape being matched up against the CCIW (probably Wheaton).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 11, 2015, 03:45:08 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2015, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on September 05, 2015, 11:08:20 PM

NACC goes 4-1 against the Midwest this week.

Is "unacceptable" too strong of a word?

Unacceptable may be too weak of a word for results like that...just my 2 cents though.  And now, onto more important items--MY PICKS!

Week 2 Games

Beloit @ Grinnell - GC
Carroll @ Benedictine - BU
Cornell @ Coe - Coe
Rose-Hulman @ Illinois C. - IC
Carleton @ Knox - CC
Lake Forest @ Gustavus Adolphus - GAC
Lawrence @ Marantha Baptist - LU
Hamline @ Macalester - HU
Central @ Monmouth - MC
Ripon @ Rockford - Ripon
St. Norbert @ North Park - SNC

Can't wait to see the Good Guys in action on their home turf!  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 11, 2015, 03:48:31 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 08, 2015, 01:58:56 PM
It's results like that which send the MWC champ straight to Whitewater.

Yeah well I am not confident whoever the NACC sends won't escape being matched up against the CCIW (probably Wheaton).
[/quote]

MIAC also possible.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2015, 03:12:35 PM
Good Guys experiencing a good ol' fashioned slobberknocker right now at the lovely April Zorn Memorial Stadium.  Down 7-3 to the Dutch at halftime.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 12, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
Central hits a 43 yard FG to send it to OT. Tied at 17.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2015, 04:43:22 PM
17-17 at end of regulation.  Great game for Central if you're a fan of big plays. (more on that later.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 12, 2015, 04:51:05 PM
Monmouth possession ends with an interception. Central scores on theirs and wins 23-17. Tough tough loss for the Scots.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 12, 2015, 04:53:53 PM
Must be a delay on the webcast, cuz Mav posted that pretty quickly.  Gutsy win for Central, benefitted by two scoring plays of 48 and 99 yards.  Geh!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2015, 09:24:02 PM
SNC defeats North Park 41-31... from the SNC recap:

The Green Knights (2-0) saw a 28-10 lead melt away down the stretch, but still held a 28-24 lead just inside two minutes remaining. St. Norbert was poised to salt the game away with the ball on North Park 1-yard line, but a fumble and a 99-yard return by Matt Difecchio put the host up 31-28 with 1 minute 45 seconds remaining.

St. Norbert took over at its own 34 on the ensuing kickoff, and had to convert two fourth-down opportunities to get into North Park territory. The second was a 20-yard pass from Jack Becker to Matt Freeman on fourth-and-9 from the St. Norbert 45. After a spike to stop the clock, Becker hit Brett Olson for 28 yards top the North Park 7 with 31 seconds left. A three-yard run by Brad Boockmeier set up a four-yard touchdown pass on a screen from Becker to Boockmeier with 22 seconds remaining and a 35-31 lead.

On the final play of the game, North Park quarterback T.D. Conway's pass was tipped and intercepted by Tyler Jensen, whose 50-yard return as time expired was the game's final points.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 12, 2015, 09:27:12 PM
Rockford 14
Ripon 13

Midwest's struggles against the NACC this year continue. 1-5 at this point.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on September 13, 2015, 12:13:34 AM
Just got back from taking in some live Carroll football at Benedictine. Gutsy come from behind win for the Pioneers.

This was a tale of two halves. In the first, the Pioneer offense was atrocious. Burlingame continued with his rollercoaster tendencies, throwing two picks which both were devastating in nature (the first was a 70 yard pick-6 and the second in the end zone after a 60+ yard drive). However the defense kept the Pios in it with some key stops and interceptions.

In the second half it seemed like Burlingame settled down, and the team followed suit. Also, the coaching staff made some key adjustments at the half and called a much better game in the 2nd. The screen pass game was also extremely impressive.

All-in-all a solid team win, without any individual stand outs. You've got to be happy with a defense that allowed only 6 points. Benedictine is head and shoulders better than they were last year, but their lack of discipline helped our cause greatly as well. Be that as it may, I'll take the W going in to the bye week. Time to get healthy and prep for conference action.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 18, 2015, 11:26:01 AM
Slow week of games in the MWC = slow week of discussion on the board I guess.  Next week has some good-looking crossover matchups though!

Week 3 Games

Lawrence @ Beloit - BC
Luther @ Grinnell - LC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 18, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
A question that I don't have an answer to: has the MWC adopted a nine game schedule limit?

And while I think of it, has anyone heard anything about next year's schedule? I have heard (don't ask where, my brain is not up to the memory search today) that the title game is going away next year. Would they play nine conference games?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2015, 01:18:28 PM
SNC has posted future schedules for '16 and '17. Neither shows a conference championship game. I count 8 MWC games for next year.

2016:
Sept. 3  UW-Stevens Point  1 p.m.
Sept. 10  at Benedictine Univ. 1 p.m.
Sept. 17 at Knox College  1 p.m.
Sept. 24  Idle
Oct. 1  Lake Forest College  1 p.m.
Oct. 8  at Beloit College  1 p.m.
Oct. 15 at Lawrence Univ. 1 p.m.
Oct. 22 Ripon College 1 p.m.
Oct. 29 Illinois College 1 p.m.
Nov. 5 at Monmouth College  1 p.m.
Nov. 12 Macalester College 1 p.m.

The 2017 is the same, with all locations reversed. So back to not playing everyone, I guess, as I do not see Grinnell or Cornell for SNC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2015, 02:14:20 PM
Without Carroll, the MWC has just 11 teams and cannot hold a championship game, at least not as an 11th regular season game. There's been some assumption that the University of Chicago will take Carroll's spot in the MWC for football only, but no announcement as of yet.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 18, 2015, 02:23:09 PM
Thank you, gentlemen.

Really do wish Lawrence would get with the program with athletics news on their website. Future schedules, full coaching staff bios, more complete roster info (is it too much to list a student's major?).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2015, 12:45:36 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 18, 2015, 02:23:09 PM
Thank you, gentlemen.

Really do wish Lawrence would get with the program with athletics news on their website. Future schedules, full coaching staff bios, more complete roster info (is it too much to list a student's major?).

I don't think I've ever seen major listed. Maybe I've been missing something... could disprove my joke that Lawrence's problem is that there aren't enough 6'5", 300 lb, violin majors...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 21, 2015, 09:37:07 AM
Ripon's website has it. I like their roster page.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2015, 12:45:36 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 18, 2015, 02:23:09 PM
Thank you, gentlemen.

Really do wish Lawrence would get with the program with athletics news on their website. Future schedules, full coaching staff bios, more complete roster info (is it too much to list a student's major?).

I don't think I've ever seen major listed. Maybe I've been missing something... could disprove my joke that Lawrence's problem is that there aren't enough 6'5", 300 lb, violin majors...

You mean like THIS Good Guy?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZIkwA7rwxg 

I wouldn't joke about it too loudly, as he's now the OC and will run up the score on you!  :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 23, 2015, 02:16:49 PM
And because I know you can't get enough Monmouth football news....  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-david-fales-promoted-quarterback-tryout-20150922-story.html
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 24, 2015, 08:50:28 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 23, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 19, 2015, 12:45:36 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 18, 2015, 02:23:09 PM
Thank you, gentlemen.

Really do wish Lawrence would get with the program with athletics news on their website. Future schedules, full coaching staff bios, more complete roster info (is it too much to list a student's major?).

I don't think I've ever seen major listed. Maybe I've been missing something... could disprove my joke that Lawrence's problem is that there aren't enough 6'5", 300 lb, violin majors...

You mean like THIS Good Guy?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZIkwA7rwxg 

I wouldn't joke about it too loudly, as he's now the OC and will run up the score on you!  :)

I didn't say "any" ... I said "not enough"!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on September 24, 2015, 12:23:09 PM
Personally, I like a little bio on each player.  Saint John's does a nice job (http://www.gojohnnies.com/roster.aspx?path=football&) (I may be partial).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 25, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Gotta agree with Duff...having a bio for the players is nice.  And now for the picks!

Week 4 Games

Ripon @ Cornell - CC
St. Norbert @ Illinois C. - SNC
Beloit @ Lake Forest - BC
Knox @ Lawrence - LU
Grinnell @ Macalester - MC
Carroll @ Monmouth - MC

Looks like a great weekend of games to me!  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 26, 2015, 07:27:31 PM
He's BACKKKKKK.
So those of you that have been around a while, take a look back at the Lake Forest stats from 2012.  There was a freshman running back that turned some heads and then fell off the radar. He was the leading rusher in the Monmouth victory.  He was a hard, tough runningback who was a big part of the offense that year.   Well Joey Valdivia is back and played his first game for the Foresters in so many years.  Ran for 160+ yards and 3 touchdowns in hs first day back.  Big part of the Lake Forest win.  I was told he was back but wasn't playing until today so I was holding my breath.  Very excited to see him return.  Also had a 100+ yard day from Charlie Quinn!j
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 28, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 26, 2015, 07:27:31 PM
He's BACKKKKKK.
So those of you that have been around a while, take a look back at the Lake Forest stats from 2012.  There was a freshman running back that turned some heads and then fell off the radar. He was the leading rusher in the Monmouth victory.  He was a hard, tough runningback who was a big part of the offense that year.   Well Joey Valdivia is back and played his first game for the Foresters in so many years.  Ran for 160+ yards and 3 touchdowns in hs first day back.  Big part of the Lake Forest win.  I was told he was back but wasn't playing until today so I was holding my breath.  Very excited to see him return.  Also had a 100+ yard day from Charlie Quinn!j

Rumor has it that the MWC ADs are planning a conference call this afternoon to determine if the rest of the season should still be played or if they should just let LFC rest up for the big game against Whitewater where they will be a+3 favorite.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pgkevin on September 29, 2015, 12:50:33 AM
Tune in to Sportscenter (Scott Van Pelt version) or go to espn.com to see a pretty amazing catch by Ilir Emini of the Knox Prairie Fire.  Definitely worth a look.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: ChicagoTommie on September 29, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 28, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 26, 2015, 07:27:31 PM
He's BACKKKKKK.
So those of you that have been around a while, take a look back at the Lake Forest stats from 2012.  There was a freshman running back that turned some heads and then fell off the radar. He was the leading rusher in the Monmouth victory.  He was a hard, tough runningback who was a big part of the offense that year.   Well Joey Valdivia is back and played his first game for the Foresters in so many years.  Ran for 160+ yards and 3 touchdowns in hs first day back.  Big part of the Lake Forest win.  I was told he was back but wasn't playing until today so I was holding my breath.  Very excited to see him return.  Also had a 100+ yard day from Charlie Quinn!j

Rumor has it that the MWC ADs are planning a conference call this afternoon to determine if the rest of the season should still be played or if they should just let LFC rest up for the big game against Whitewater where they will be a+3 favorite.  ;D


Come on man...not going to happen🎅🏿
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2015, 05:22:44 AM
So the AD meeting went on without a decision I heard.  But they did decide to put an asterisk next to the 2012 Monmouth championship due to unfootballlike conduct.  Also known as tip toeing out of bounds. 

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2015, 11:39:00 AM
Lots of tulips in the Forest!   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 29, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 26, 2015, 07:27:31 PM
He's BACKKKKKK.
So those of you that have been around a while, take a look back at the Lake Forest stats from 2012.  There was a freshman running back that turned some heads and then fell off the radar. He was the leading rusher in the Monmouth victory.  He was a hard, tough runningback who was a big part of the offense that year.   Well Joey Valdivia is back and played his first game for the Foresters in so many years.  Ran for 160+ yards and 3 touchdowns in hs first day back.  Big part of the Lake Forest win.  I was told he was back but wasn't playing until today so I was holding my breath.  Very excited to see him return.  Also had a 100+ yard day from Charlie Quinn!j

Glad to see you're still alive. After that 49-0 loss to Gustavas I wasn't sure if you made it through.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2015, 04:59:22 PM
Of course I'm still around Dangle.  Whenever I get down like after that game I just play the highlight film from the last time we played SNC.  Remember that one?  31-3?  Here's a link in case you forgot!

https://youtu.be/UDO8vykkkzo
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2015, 05:04:55 PM
Scottie, I see Tanney was signed by the Colts.  Since Luck is now the lowest ranked QB in the NFL this year maybe he breaks the glass roof!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 29, 2015, 05:06:21 PM
If you missed the Knox play some are talking about seeing on SVP's show... it is this week's D3football.com Play of the Week. Enjoy: http://www.d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2015/week4 (http://www.d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2015/week4)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 29, 2015, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 29, 2015, 04:59:22 PM
Of course I'm still around Dangle.  Whenever I get down like after that game I just play the highlight film from the last time we played SNC.  Remember that one?  31-3?  Here's a link in case you forgot!

https://youtu.be/UDO8vykkkzo

I haven't forgotten, especially since you guys parlayed that big win into a fine 4-6 season last year. I also haven't forgotten who won 27 of the first 29 games in the series. I guess we all have to take our victories when we can.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2015, 09:01:10 PM
We would have been 5-5 but we didn'the get to play you.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 30, 2015, 10:36:43 AM
Now THERE's the LFC I remember...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 30, 2015, 11:29:53 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 29, 2015, 09:01:10 PM
We would have been 5-5 but we didn'the get to play you.

You wouldn't make a very good lawyer since you're assuming facts not in evidence. The comparative scores weren't in your favor either. I'm kind of disappointed in your response actually. I was expecting something a little more creative.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 30, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
You're right.  I should have said we both would have been 5-5.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 30, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 30, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
You're right.  I should have said we both would have been 5-5.

Objection, Your Honor. Again assuming facts not in evidence again.

One thing's for sure though. It's easy to put together a good year or two. It's harder to stay there once you get there.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 30, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
Is it really easier to get to the top than to stay there? I would think some kids would want to play for a winning program rather than help build one from the bottom. St John's, Whitewater, Mt. Union, Linfield, others have been strong programs for quite a while. Beloit's last conference title was 1940. Lawrence's last winning season was 1987. If it was easy to win wouldn't some of those places at the bottom rise every once in a while?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 30, 2015, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 30, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
Is it really easier to get to the top than to stay there? I would think some kids would want to play for a winning program rather than help build one from the bottom. St John's, Whitewater, Mt. Union, Linfield, others have been strong programs for quite a while. Beloit's last conference title was 1940. Lawrence's last winning season was 1987. If it was easy to win wouldn't some of those places at the bottom rise every once in a while?

The bottom HAS risen every once in a while. Macalester did it just last year and about 10-15 years ago they were worse than any program in the MWC. One of the worst five teams in the country for sure. In my mind if Macalester can do what they did last year then anyone should be able to put it together. Can they stay at or near the top is the question.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 01, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I will give you that one, dangler. I have to wonder, though, if Macalester's first season in MWC says more about the MWC than it does about Macalester.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gaegerlaw75 on October 01, 2015, 12:09:28 PM
As far as I can tell, getting one or two elite talents (D1 run-offs) is what it takes to get to the top. When Monmouth had an NFL QB, they were world beaters. When Carroll had a great RB, they had 8 wins. The trick is recruiting a few every year. As far as I can tell, SNC has been the only one capable of doing so. That is why I am so scared of the massacre we are in for after we leave the MWC. Here's hoping that the up in the prestige of the conference leads to better recruiting. In terms of this Carroll team, the lack of mental toughness is alarming. Chances to win the game on a 1yrd play in both of our losses, and both times we have been piss pounded. Burlingame has been so sloppy in the first two games and our running game has suffered because of it. This week marks the make or break for the season. Homecoming at CU... I guess we shall see
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2015, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 01, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I will give you that one, dangler. I have to wonder, though, if Macalester's first season in MWC says more about the MWC than it does about Macalester.

I think it was a combination of a strong year for Macalester and a bit of a down year for the Midwest Conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 01, 2015, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2015, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 01, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I will give you that one, dangler. I have to wonder, though, if Macalester's first season in MWC says more about the MWC than it does about Macalester.

I think it was a combination of a strong year for Macalester and a bit of a down year for the Midwest Conference.

I was going to say the same thing but Pat beat me to it. In the last three weeks of the year Macalester beat Carroll at home, then went into St. Norbert and won, and then went on the road to Illinois College and won the title. If you would have told me that was possible even five years ago, like Clark Griswold, I wouldn't have been any more surprised had I awoken to find my head sewn to the carpet.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on October 01, 2015, 11:10:16 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 01, 2015, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2015, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 01, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I will give you that one, dangler. I have to wonder, though, if Macalester's first season in MWC says more about the MWC than it does about Macalester.

I think it was a combination of a strong year for Macalester and a bit of a down year for the Midwest Conference.

I was going to say the same thing but Pat beat me to it. In the last three weeks of the year Macalester beat Carroll at home, then went into St. Norbert and won, and then went on the road to Illinois College and won the title. If you would have told me that was possible even five years ago, like Clark Griswold, I wouldn't have been any more surprised had I awoken to find my head sewn to the carpet.

I agree with both of you.

It's not how a team starts a season, but how they finish the season.  Many jumped to conclusions that since Macalester lost to Hamline...IN WEEK 2..."what does that say about the MWC?"  Anyone who really truly followed Macalester last year knows that the Macalester team that beat IC in the championship was playing light years better than the Macalester team that lost to Hamline.  That Hamline loss was probably the best thing that could have happened to Macalester...EGO CHECK.  St. Norberts was for sure down last year under...for lack of a better word...DIFFERENT leadership.  I thought that as a whole the MWC South was stronger than the MWC North last year.  IC was a good football team last year.  I would put the week 10 Macalester team and IC of last year right around the same level as an Augsburg of last year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2015, 11:17:38 AM
Athletics-related news from Ripon:
http://www.ripon.edu/2015/10/02/ripon-college-awarded-low-interest-loan-from-usda-rural-development-for-athletics-health-and-wellness-facilities/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on October 02, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 01, 2015, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2015, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 01, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I will give you that one, dangler. I have to wonder, though, if Macalester's first season in MWC says more about the MWC than it does about Macalester.

I think it was a combination of a strong year for Macalester and a bit of a down year for the Midwest Conference.

I was going to say the same thing but Pat beat me to it. In the last three weeks of the year Macalester beat Carroll at home, then went into St. Norbert and won, and then went on the road to Illinois College and won the title. If you would have told me that was possible even five years ago, like Clark Griswold, I wouldn't have been any more surprised had I awoken to find my head sewn to the carpet.

That's MY line Dangler!!!  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 02, 2015, 03:30:25 PM
Week 5 Games

Monmouth @ Beloit - MC
Lake Forest @ Carroll - CU
Lawrence @ Grinnell - GC
Macalester @ Knox - MC
Illinois C. @ Ripon - RC
Cornell @ St. Norbert - SNC

Another solid schedule of cross-over games.  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2015, 03:35:31 PM
Quote from: Gaegerlaw75 on October 01, 2015, 12:09:28 PM
As far as I can tell, getting one or two elite talents (D1 run-offs) is what it takes to get to the top. When Monmouth had an NFL QB, they were world beaters. When Carroll had a great RB, they had 8 wins. The trick is recruiting a few every year. As far as I can tell, SNC has been the only one capable of doing so. That is why I am so scared of the massacre we are in for after we leave the MWC. Here's hoping that the up in the prestige of the conference leads to better recruiting. In terms of this Carroll team, the lack of mental toughness is alarming. Chances to win the game on a 1yrd play in both of our losses, and both times we have been piss pounded. Burlingame has been so sloppy in the first two games and our running game has suffered because of it. This week marks the make or break for the season. Homecoming at CU... I guess we shall see

I think most would agree that Tanney wasn't destined for the NFL or DI when he graduated high school.  But he did have great genes, great coaching, and great teammates.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 03, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
The Good Guys lead America's Team 24-7 at half. I think The Roop guided them down the field on the drive right before half that broke up the shutout.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 03, 2015, 03:14:42 PM
Another halftime score, St. Norbert leads Cornell 17-3.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 03, 2015, 03:17:14 PM
SNC leads 17-3 at the half.

Two big fourth down plays for SNC helped. A snap to the upbackwho ran for about 30 yards on a fake punt hlped keep a drive going.  Another 4th down conversion was a TD to a RB who was wide open out of the backfield on a 4th and 13 for a 30 yard TD.

Cornell has moved it in spurts but can't put afull drive together. Missed one 4th down conversion
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 03, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
Grinnell leads LU 28-14 at half
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 03, 2015, 03:44:47 PM
another big 4th down for SNC ... 4th and 4 at CC 26. SNC goes for it, and inside handoff goes for the TD. 24-3.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 03, 2015, 04:48:57 PM
SNC wins 31-3. Elijah Fort had four TDs, three rushing and one receiving.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 03, 2015, 04:51:06 PM
Scots and prairie fire put up some weird numbers on the scoreboard in Galesburg.  46-19 Macalester
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 03, 2015, 05:32:18 PM
Final

Good Guys 41, America's Team 21
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2015, 07:39:50 PM
Black Jack for The Roop.....his favorite hand.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 05, 2015, 09:34:32 AM
America's Team? Where does that come from?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2015, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 05, 2015, 09:34:32 AM
America's Team? Where does that come from?

Based on your number of posts, welcome to the board, JT.  Beloit was coined, "America's Team," by long time poster The Roop - may he rest in peace.  And if a game winning field goal for the Bucs just happens to sail through the uprights when it looked like it had no chance, you'll know why..... 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 05, 2015, 12:53:40 PM
Or when your running back is running for the game winning touchdown, through a hole big enough for the greyhound bus that brought the team, then abruptly is stopped by an invisible force, check the stats and you will see 1 tackle made by the Roop!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 05, 2015, 01:01:09 PM
I'm an out of league guy but in respect for Roop I think we shouldn't use "America's Team" to refer to anyone other than Beloit on these boards.  JMO
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on October 05, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 05, 2015, 01:01:09 PM
I'm an out of league guy but in respect for Roop I think we shouldn't use "America's Team" to refer to anyone other than Beloit on these boards.  JMO

Then it'll be 'Merica's Team
;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 05, 2015, 02:35:41 PM
You Whitewater guys aren't so bad after all.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 09, 2015, 03:45:15 PM
Been pretty quiet around here with some big games to kick off divisional play this weekend...

Week 6 Games

Grinnell @ Cornell - CC
Knox @ Lake Forest - LFC
Illinois C. @ Monmouth - MC
Ripon @ Macalester - MC
Carroll @ St. Norbert - SNC

Happy Homecoming in the Maple City!  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 10, 2015, 04:55:56 PM
SNC leads 14-0 at the half, holds on for 21-14 win against Carroll

Ripon beat Macalester, 23-0. SNC plays RC next week

Monmouth beat IC 35-7

LFC leads Knox 27-3 in the third
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 12, 2015, 04:24:03 PM
Monmouth and St. Norbert rolling through their seasons and the message board goes quiet. Tough game for SN this week at Ripon but Monmouth should have the south sewn up already. Not sure there's many challengers there in the south after IC lost.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 13, 2015, 09:19:11 AM
Definitely looks like a Monmouth-SNC championship tilt.

On other fronts hockey starts the 19th and basketball starts the 15th (I think they can practice on the 15th).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 13, 2015, 03:30:10 PM
I agree.  They should just cancel the rest of the season and play the championship now. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 13, 2015, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 12, 2015, 04:24:03 PM
Monmouth and St. Norbert rolling through their seasons and the message board goes quiet. Tough game for SN this week at Ripon but Monmouth should have the south sewn up already. Not sure there's many challengers there in the south after IC lost.

Lake Forest will present a challenge this weekend as Monmouth looks to avoid a letdown after a big homecoming win against IC.  The road game at Cornell the following weekend won't be a cakewalk either.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 13, 2015, 03:48:09 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 13, 2015, 03:30:10 PM
I agree.  They should just cancel the rest of the season and play the championship now.

But if dad thinks this is the route that the MWC should go, then who am I to argue?  I guess we can agree this one time. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 14, 2015, 06:51:36 AM
Mav,

Just like you Monmouth guys trying to take the easy way.  Tip toeing out of bounds, skipping right to the playoffs...Geez, haven't you ever heard that anything not worked for is usually hardly worth achieving? 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 14, 2015, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 13, 2015, 09:19:11 AM


On other fronts hockey starts the 19th and basketball starts the 15th (I think they can practice on the 15th).

More schools need to join LU, LFC and SNC with hockey...

just me wishing...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 15, 2015, 04:31:47 PM
I am sure all are tired of this news but I am sharing one more article

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/education/2015/10/15/banta-bowl-becomes-home-lu-athletics/73830770/

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 16, 2015, 03:50:04 PM
Week 7 Games

Grinnell @ Illinois C. - IC
Cornell @ Knox - CC
Lake Forest @ Monmouth - MC
Carroll @ Lawrence - CU
Beloit @ Macalester - MC
St. Norbert @ Ripon - SNC

Still awfully quiet on here...weather looks good for Saturday.  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 02:03:05 PM
SNC gets a 54 yard TD on the first play. Totally fooled the camera guy. Nice to get a lead :16 in.

And SNC intercepts the first RC play!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 02:29:09 PM
SNC converted off that turnover. Made a stop on defense and marched down the field again. Becker pitches to Boockmeier who threw it back at the QB for the TD. Pat good. 21-0 at the end of the first quarter.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
RC put together a nice TD drive. Late in the half, RC just trying to run out the clock but fumbled it away on own 16. RC defense forces FG, which is good. 24-7 at the half.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 04:03:59 PM
Early 4th. Boockmeier TD. 41-7 SNC.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2015, 04:34:40 PM
Final

Monmouth 38, Lake Forest 7

No tip toeing around this one.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
SNC wins 48-14. I think SNC had four more interceptions in improving to 6-0.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 17, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 13, 2015, 03:30:10 PM
I agree.  They should just cancel the rest of the season and play the championship now.

This appears to be a good idea after today's results. It would save some insult and injury.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 04:49:08 PM
Monmouth beat Lake Forest 38-7
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
Cornell beat Knox 38-16

IC beat Grinnell 83-10. Yes, 83. IC had 900 yards of offense, according to the announcer.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 04:57:28 PM
Macalester beat Beloit 28-14
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 17, 2015, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
Cornell beat Knox 38-16

IC beat Grinnell 83-10. Yes, 83. IC had 900 yards of offense, according to the announcer.

And, according to the box score, IC subbed pretty liberally.  4 or 5 different QBs attempted passes and almost ten different guys got carries.  Grinnell must be pretty bad on defense because the IC offense is nowhere nearly as powerful this year as in years past.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 17, 2015, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on October 17, 2015, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
Cornell beat Knox 38-16

IC beat Grinnell 83-10. Yes, 83. IC had 900 yards of offense, according to the announcer.

And, according to the box score, IC subbed pretty liberally.  4 or 5 different QBs attempted passes and almost ten different guys got carries.  Grinnell must be pretty bad on defense because the IC offense is nowhere nearly as powerful this year as in years past.

One wonders if the Fighting Arsenaults will keep this in mind during their winter match ups.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 17, 2015, 09:19:18 PM
Carroll beats Lawrence 42-6
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 19, 2015, 10:47:44 AM
I can only add to the comment about Grinnell's defense. Lawrence moved the ball against them a few weeks ago but just failed to punch it in or even the Vikings would have beat them. And when you lose to Lawrence this season you are BAD.

Still, 900 yards of offense? Woof.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2015, 01:23:36 PM
Isn't this week Monmouth-Cornell, for the inside track on the South Division?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 19, 2015, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2015, 01:23:36 PM
Isn't this week Monmouth-Cornell, for the inside track on the South Division?

Yes, game is at Cornell.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2015, 10:05:57 AM
I won't steal any of Maverick's thunder on this weekend's slate of games, but most of them seem to have a certain aroma....

scottiesays..... Monmouth @ Cornell = GOW.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 23, 2015, 04:10:44 PM
Don't worry about stealing any thunder, scottie...I've always been more of a lightning guy anyways.

Week 8 Games

Monmouth @ Cornell - MC
Illinois C. @ Lake Forest - IC
Knox @ Grinnell - KC
Macalester @ Lawrence - MC
Ripon @ Carroll - CU
St. Norbert @ Beloit - SNC

scottie is correct on the Week 8 GOW.  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 24, 2015, 02:31:28 PM
SNC leads Beloit 13-0 after 1
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 24, 2015, 03:08:20 PM
SNC leads 26-0 at the half. One PAT wide, another blocked.

Dixon can't get going at RB for Beloit. And I think the longest two plays for BC have been 15yrd penalties on SNC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2015, 03:12:11 PM
Monmouth leads Cornell 28-0 at half.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 24, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
IC leads LFC 42-0 in second quarter

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
Another halftime score, Carroll leads Ripon 12-0.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 24, 2015, 04:25:43 PM
SNC wins 33-0
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2015, 04:38:06 PM
Final

Monmouth 49, Cornell 7
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 25, 2015, 09:16:52 AM
As shaky as IC's offense was for a 2-3 week stretch early, they sure have had it rolling the last couple weeks.  I haven't seen nearly as much MWC football this season as I normally do, though, so I don't know anything about the quality of the Grinnell and LF defenses.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 25, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
Given that they are two of the three worst scoring defenses and the two worst total defensive teams in the MWC I'd think that they aren't that good. 

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2015, 11:08:09 AM
wnc52 - Here's an insider tip for you.... IC plays Knox next week and their office will be explosive once again. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 26, 2015, 07:59:57 PM
For the first time since the preseason poll, IIRC, Monmouth shows up in the 'others receiving votes' category of the d3football.com poll, getting either two 25th place votes or one 24th vote.

http://www.d3football.com/top25/2015/week8

Meanwhile, SNC moves into the top 25 of the AFCA poll, sliding in at 21.
http://afca.com/article/article.php?id=2698

Somewhat oddly, at least to me, is that only one shows up in each poll...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 30, 2015, 12:25:18 PM
And now for the one thing scottie and f-dad agree on...their favorite part of every Friday...my picks!

Week 9 Games

Grinnell @ Monmouth - MC
Cornell @ Lake Forest - CC
Knox @ Illinois C. - IC
Beloit @ Ripon - RC
Macalester @ Carroll - CU
Lawrence @ St. Norbert - SNC

Happy Halloween to all you MWC characters!  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 31, 2015, 02:31:35 PM
SNC leads LU 21/0 after 1

LU got screwed on what should have been a SNC fumble. Lu threatening after kickoff return to SNC 10
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 31, 2015, 03:07:43 PM
LU scores with :28 left in the half to make it 43-6. SNC gets a school record 51 yard FG to make it 46-6 at the half.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 31, 2015, 04:01:47 PM
60-6 after three in De Pere
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 31, 2015, 04:37:09 PM
63-6 SNC wins
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 31, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
SNC sets school record with 508 yards rushing.

SNC will host Monmouth in the title game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 02, 2015, 08:49:53 AM
And the winner of that game could have a lovely trip to Linfield.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2015, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 02, 2015, 08:49:53 AM
And the winner of that game could have a lovely trip to Linfield.

Highly, highly unlikely. Nobody will fly from the Midwest to Linfield in the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 02, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
Probably true, Pat. It just seems unfair to not put the top seed against the lowest seed in the region.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2015, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 02, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
Probably true, Pat. It just seems unfair to not put the top seed against the lowest seed in the region.

St. Scholastica won't be flying to Linfield either.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 02, 2015, 03:08:45 PM
Would it be...
SCIAC champ at NWC champ
UMAC champ at MIAC champ
MWC champ @ WIAC champ
IIAC champ @ WIAC #2

Or will we see West teams moved out of region?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: d-train on November 02, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 02, 2015, 03:08:45 PM
Would it be...
SCIAC champ at NWC champ
UMAC champ at MIAC champ
MWC champ @ WIAC champ
IIAC champ @ WIAC #2

Or will we see West teams moved out of region?

I'm not sure it's as simple as an "either, or".  While those pairings look very reasonable, I'd also anticipate a MIAC #2 in the field. Certainly we might also see a Texas/SCIAC/NWC sub-bracket (i.e. Linfield hosting the winner of MHB/HS rematch) just to limit the flights.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 02, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
Yeah, I guess another way of saying it could have been. Would an IIAC champ or MWC champ if its say Monmouth, get sent out of region so you could have WIAC #2 and/or MIAC #2 stay in region?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2015, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 02, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
Yeah, I guess another way of saying it could have been. Would an IIAC champ or MWC champ if its say Monmouth, get sent out of region so you could have WIAC #2 and/or MIAC #2 stay in region?

I'd say it's more likely the WIAC or MIAC No. 2 get shipped out. (If it's possible -- the MIAC No. 2 might be geographically limited but it would be possible to move the WIAC No. 2 considering it's likely to be Whitewater.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2015, 04:14:31 PM
You guys can talk about the playoffs all you want.  I guarantee that the only thing the Good Guys are talking about this week is how to stop the Prairie Fire.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 03, 2015, 07:37:03 PM
Just send the MIAC or WIAC #2 to the undefeated MWC winner!  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 04, 2015, 01:28:46 PM
SNC ranked 10th in the first regional rankings -
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2015, 11:45:09 PM
Time to close out divisional play this weekend.  Here we go!

Week 10 Games

Monmouth @ Knox - MC
Illinois C. @ Cornell - IC
Lake Forest @ Grinnell - LFC
St. Norbert @ Macalester - SNC
Carroll @ Beloit - CU
Ripon @ Lawrence - RC

Continue that Turkey Bowl dominance!  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2015, 02:21:20 PM
Leave it to Knox to have no sound on their webcast.  Hello, AM radio live streaming....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 03:07:24 PM
Macalester much more consistent on offense than SNC. Scots lead 16-7 at the half.

And, pretty good job being done by the announcers...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2015, 03:14:41 PM
Knox got a big kick off return to punch in a short touchdown run.  Scots up 21-7 at Half.  And still no broadcasters....Lame.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 07, 2015, 03:17:03 PM
Monmouth leads Knox 21-7 at half.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2015, 03:46:02 PM
Lake Forest up 53-3 at half.  They started a freshman qb last week and he threw 5 td passes.  Guess he'said picking up where he left last week....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 04:02:26 PM
A 47 yard FG gives SNC the lead at 17-16.

Mac was driving but on the flip play lost the ball. SNC scooped it up and ran it about 50 yards down to the scots 20. Mac defense holds, however. And SNC misses FG

17-16 lead with a minute left in the third
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2015, 04:04:15 PM
Monmouth up 42-7 halfway through the 3rd, both on long runs by D. Wright. 

The webcast added a voice BECAUSE they lost video.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 04:11:41 PM
Ripon up on Lawrence 43-15

Carroll up 35/24
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 04:17:11 PM
SNC gets TD to go up 23-16. After using a split out formation all year and then kicking out of it, SNC lines up that way and runs a pass play from it - and converts the 2 point conversion.  Gives SNC 25--16 lead with 9:12 left. Makes it a two score game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 04:21:02 PM
Cornell up 44-42 on IC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 04:24:31 PM
LFC won 54-10
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 07, 2015, 04:36:31 PM
Final

Monmouth 49, Knox 7
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 04:38:14 PM
Scots use their fifth QB on the last drive. They get to the SNC 30 but fumble it away. SNC runs out the clock

SNC escapes with a 25--16 win against a tough Macalester squad. SNC finishes the regular season undefeated and now hosts Monmouth for the title.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2015, 05:36:07 PM
Cornell scores with under a minute left to take a 64-62 lead but misses the EXP.

IC gets down to the 30. Doesn't get in with a few shots to the end zone then misses a 43 yard FG as time expires. Rams win.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2015, 03:47:00 PM
A look at the SNC/Monmouth matchup for Saturday

Scoring offense:
2. Monmouth, 37.1
3. SNC, 35.3

Scoring defense:
1. SNC, 10.2
2. Monmouth, 11.9

total offense:
2. Monmouth, 444
3. SNC, 422.3

total defense:
1. Monmouth, 249.1
2. SNC, 270

rushing offense:
1. SNC, 255.2
3. Monmouth, 227.8

rushing defense:
1. Monmouth, 83.6
2. SNC, 110.4

pass offense:
4. MC, 216.2
8. SNC, 167.1

pass defense:
1. SNC, 159.6
3. MC, 165.6

interceptions:
1. SNC, 18, 2 TDs
8. MC, 9, 0 TD

turnover margin:
1. SNC, +16
3. MC, +5

sacks by:
1. MC, 26
3. SNC, 15

sacks allowed:
3. MC, 8
7. SNC, 12

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 08, 2015, 08:49:25 PM
I say roll Scotts!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 09, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
After watching more games this season than I have in a long time I have a question which will sound snarky but is not intended that way at all. Just an observer sort of thing.

Do MWC officials just not know what holding is? I saw perfectly executed blocks called for it and Saturday I saw a defender twirled by an O lineman five yards from the white hat and there was no flag. Am I the only one that has noticed this (which, of course, means I am nuts)?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2015, 09:57:35 AM
F-Dad: While I appreciate your choice, your spelling could use a little improvement.  :)

Judge: What game are you talking about?  And which team is your team?  That will help us determine how snarky your question is.   ;D

Should we start a "who ya got?" poll for the big game?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 09, 2015, 04:16:34 PM
scottie I am a Lawrence alum (stop laughing, LU used to be good a generation ago when I was in school). And this season a holding call or four would not matter. Probably not next season, either. But if LU can put together some recruiting classes and have a shot at .500 again those calls matter.

I could observe that holding is not called well in the NFL either but since I am a Packers fan my team needs all the help it can get in protecting the QB so...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on November 09, 2015, 04:38:46 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 09, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
After watching more games this season than I have in a long time I have a question which will sound snarky but is not intended that way at all. Just an observer sort of thing.

Do MWC officials just not know what holding is? I saw perfectly executed blocks called for it and Saturday I saw a defender twirled by an O lineman five yards from the white hat and there was no flag. Am I the only one that has noticed this (which, of course, means I am nuts)?

Those refs were tired from flagging girl's volleyball at the Resch all weekend.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 09, 2015, 07:49:25 PM
Damn Scottie, I come over to the Dark Side and you hit me with memories of 2nd grade?  Remember, an enemy of my enemy is called my friend! 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2015, 08:45:14 PM
Good Guy Nation welcomes you, Dad!  Please send Maverick your kilt measurements and t-shirt size for our run to the Stagg Bowl.   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 09, 2015, 08:49:23 PM
X large.  It may cheer you to know my family actually has a Scottish plaid. 

But you also must know this will only last until Saturday about 4 pm your time.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 10, 2015, 01:05:12 PM
New AD at Lawrence announced this morning.

https://blogs.lawrence.edu/news/2015/11/christyn-abarayn-named-director-of-athletics.html
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 10, 2015, 02:35:43 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2015, 08:49:25 PM
I say roll Scotts!

Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but dislike - if not outright hate - of another sports team is a close second. Thanks!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 10, 2015, 06:06:07 PM
Oh Dangle, hate is such a strong word.  But yeah, guess so.  Got some pretty good reasons why, but my time is just too limited to go on about it here.


lol

Wonder how much of the handling (or mishandling) of the HFC last year at LU had to do with that?  Questions that will never be answered.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2015, 09:08:33 PM
I T ' S   I M P O S S I B L E   T O   H A T E   T H E . . . . W A I T   F O R   I T . . . . . . . . . .    G O O D   G U Y S   ! ! !  ;D   (a   s c o t t i e b a n n e r   p r o d u c t i o n)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 10, 2015, 09:22:44 PM
Since I am an honorary Scot this week, how do I get a message to the Coach to make sure there's no tip toeing out of bounds Saturday?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2015, 01:07:19 PM
Since I'm a new Scot fan, did anyone else pick up that our former QB Tanney became the #2 qb at Indy today?  Just following my guys...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2015, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2015, 01:07:19 PM
Since I'm a new Scot fan, did anyone else pick up that our former QB Tanney became the #2 qb at Indy today?  Just following my guys...

Scot fans, new and old, should probably start tuning into Colts games - lest you think a 40 year-old is going to hang in there for the next 2-6 weeks.  Things are about to get good for the MWC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2015, 02:37:06 PM
Scottie,

My high school girlfriend was that 40 year old QB's baby sitter when he was an infant(fact).  Guess that means I'm getting old too!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 11, 2015, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 10, 2015, 06:06:07 PM
Wonder how much of the handling (or mishandling) of the HFC last year at LU had to do with that?  Questions that will never be answered.....

Don't know what happened at Lawrence last year. Don't really know what happened at St. Norbs last year either. Not everything is intended to be everyone else's business I guess. Looks like SNC got things squared away this year though. Jury still out at LU.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 12, 2015, 01:32:45 PM
Jury will be out for a while at LU. The talent pool was pretty lean. 25 years of bad football is not turned around in a year or two. Still, I am hopeful.

I do not know what fulbakdad knows that I don't. I only know the outgoing AD remains the HC for the men's hockey team.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2015, 08:55:30 AM
The D3football guys are picking SNC to beat Monmouth (though Pat didn't  :(), and then go play Whitewater. At least it's not a #1 seed, right? Right? (he says grasping a straws for hope...)

Not sure where they would have slotted the Scots to play, but likely the same matchup, I would think. Though maybe the Scots would be put against one of the top seeds?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 13, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
Saturday's game should be a good one.

A question for those who have followed the conference longer than I have (or at least in the last 20 years): has a team from MWC won a playoff game since the start of the AQ era? Lawrence won a game in 1981 but only eight teams were invited to the dance then. Not even sure the Wisconsin public schools were D3 then.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 13, 2015, 10:14:31 AM
How's the tailgating at Schneider?  Any tips for the visitors??
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2015, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 13, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
Saturday's game should be a good one.

A question for those who have followed the conference longer than I have (or at least in the last 20 years): has a team from MWC won a playoff game since the start of the AQ era? Lawrence won a game in 1981 but only eight teams were invited to the dance then. Not even sure the Wisconsin public schools were D3 then.

Yes:
http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#9
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2015, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2015, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 13, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
Saturday's game should be a good one.

A question for those who have followed the conference longer than I have (or at least in the last 20 years): has a team from MWC won a playoff game since the start of the AQ era? Lawrence won a game in 1981 but only eight teams were invited to the dance then. Not even sure the Wisconsin public schools were D3 then.

Yes:
http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#9

More specifically, SNC has won one, and I believe Monmouth won the other two.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2015, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 13, 2015, 10:14:31 AM
How's the tailgating at Schneider?  Any tips for the visitors??

If you want more space, stay to the right driveway as you enter the lot off 3rd Street/Lost Dauphin. People park along the grass and have room behind the vehicles that way. But there is enough space in the normal parking rows to tailgate.

Usually, the visiting fans will go past the main concession stand and enter one of the last two tunnels, sitting at the south end of the stadium. There are not any stands behind the visitor bench.

The stadium faces west (don't get me started), so you may want sunglasses for that low fall sun (if we see it). Forecast is about 50 degrees, so may want to bundle up a bit.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 13, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
Here are some MWC Championship coverage links for anyone who hasn't seen them yet.

D3Football.com Around the Midwest column: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2015/st-norbert-monmouth-rivalry

Midwest Conference Championship Preview: http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2015/11/12/FB_1112151332.aspx

Monmouth College Preview: http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2015/11/10/FB_1110155051.aspx

St. Norbert College Preview: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/3362/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 13, 2015, 03:40:40 PM
And the only thing more important than all of those links is my weekly picks! ;)

MWC Championship Week Games

Monmouth @ St. Norbert - MC
Illinois C. @ Carroll - CU
Lake Forest @ Ripon - RC
Cornell @ Macalester - MC
Knox @ Beloit - BC
Grinnell @ Lawrence - LU

I wish I could make the trip up north for this one, should be a great game!  Roll Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 13, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 13, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
Here are some MWC Championship coverage links for anyone who hasn't seen them yet.

D3Football.com Around the Midwest column: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2015/st-norbert-monmouth-rivalry

Midwest Conference Championship Preview: http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2015/11/12/FB_1112151332.aspx

Monmouth College Preview: http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2015/11/10/FB_1110155051.aspx

St. Norbert College Preview: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/3362/

Thanks for the links, Mav.  I hope the SNC SID didn't get carpel tunnel typing out that long preview!   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on November 13, 2015, 11:30:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 13, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 13, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
Here are some MWC Championship coverage links for anyone who hasn't seen them yet.

D3Football.com Around the Midwest column: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2015/st-norbert-monmouth-rivalry

Midwest Conference Championship Preview: http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2015/11/12/FB_1112151332.aspx

Monmouth College Preview: http://www.monmouthscots.com/news/2015/11/10/FB_1110155051.aspx

St. Norbert College Preview: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/3362/

Thanks for the links, Mav.  I hope the SNC SID didn't get carpel tunnel typing out that long preview!   ;)

That's not long, that's the standard weekly release. Now this, on the other hand, is long: http://www.snc.edu/athletics/teamfiles/hockey/2013-14/hockey14-18.pdf
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2015, 09:24:23 AM
Thanks for the reading material SNCSID.  Should help me get to sleep one of these nights.   ;D

Now for a real compliment..... The SNC posters have traditionally been incredible in-game posters to this board.  I hope that will continue today, as this week's scottiesighting will be at a pivotal ACC contest.  I don't think I'll make it home until the fourth quarter, so I'll be checking the board regularly for updates.  IF (BIG IF) the SNC posters go silent, I'll interpret that the Good Guys have put the game away in the first half.  Yeah....right, wishful thinking.

Maybe the better team win, in what is probably the most anticipated MWC game in a long time!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
I think I should be at the game and can post. But it'll cost you a field goal. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2015, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 14, 2015, 09:24:23 AM
Thanks for the reading material SNCSID.  Should help me get to sleep one of these nights.   ;D

Now for a real compliment..... The SNC posters have traditionally been incredible in-game posters to this board.  I hope that will continue today, as this week's scottiesighting will be at a pivotal ACC contest.  I don't think I'll make it home until the fourth quarter, so I'll be checking the board regularly for updates.  IF (BIG IF) the SNC posters go silent, I'll interpret that the Good Guys have put the game away in the first half.  Yeah....right, wishful thinking.

May the better team win, in what is probably the most anticipated MWC game in a long time!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
SNC three and out on first possession
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:06:40 PM
MC puts together very nice drive but SNC intercepts at own 25.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:10:54 PM
SNC punts again
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:17:20 PM
After a holding penalty negated a touchdown, Scots' 29 yard FG attempt is blocked. 0-0 with 4:43 left in the first
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:25:14 PM
End of 1, scoreless.

SNC has 2nd and 10 at Scots 22
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2015, 02:27:36 PM
Thanks, these are great!  I hope to be watching the webcast in an hour. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:28:41 PM
39 yard FG is good. SNC leads 3-0. 13:07 left in second
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:42:34 PM
Long drive for mc. They go for it on fourth and four at 28. SNC sacks QB who fumbled. SNC recovered. About 5 left in half
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:47:25 PM
SNC punts with 2:20 left.  MC starting on own 17
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 02:53:16 PM
SNC intercepts pass on last play of the first half.

3-0 SNC leads.

Monmouth moves the ball but can't score. SNC making enough plays to get the lead.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Okay, GBPFan.  There's the field goal I owe you.  No more Mr. Nice Guy in the 2nd half!  😀  Garbage time late in the 4th at my game so I should be able to see the 4th quarter at least. Thanks for the updates. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Wildcat gives SNC fits. Mc drives to 10, stalls out. Scots miss FG.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:28:57 PM
SNC turns over on downs At scots 34
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:32:48 PM
Scots punt for first time,IIRC. SNC starts on own 10. 4:03 left in third.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
88 yard pass to MC 1 on 3rd and 9. Loss of one on first down. Screen pass for TD on second down. Pat is good. SNC leads 10-0 with 2:16 left in the third
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:43:22 PM
End 3, SNC up 10-0.

MC has 3 and 16 at own 44. They have the wind at their back in fourth
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2015, 03:47:08 PM
I'm now watching.  The tide is ready to turn!   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:49:27 PM
What does Alabama have to do with it?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:52:33 PM
Monmouth TD. 10-7 SNC with 12:53 left
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
SNC punts. MC has it on own 41
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 03:58:26 PM
SNC interception! 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:03:51 PM
SNC 4th and 3 at the 6. FG from 25 yards good.

13-7 SNC with 6:18 left. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2015, 04:04:57 PM
That joke was as bad as my buffering issues, which I hope are now over.  😀
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
Monmouth fumbled. SNC recovers. Add an unsportsmanlike on the scots. SNC ball at 20.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:10:59 PM
34 yard FG for SNC is no good.

4:12 left. MC ball at own 20.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:13:40 PM
Scots turn it over on downs. SNC ball at mc 28 with 2:44 left
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:17:57 PM
37yard FG is good. 16-7 with 1:49 left
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:19:40 PM
MC return to the 41
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:25:17 PM
With "pressure" by Queen on the PA, Scots go for FG with :49. 45 yarder is no good. :45 left
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:26:09 PM
Midwest Conference Champion Green Knights!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 14, 2015, 04:27:21 PM
Congrats to the Green Knights and good luck in the playoffs.  I'll need to look at the stats, cuz I don't think the score tells the whole story.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2015, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 14, 2015, 04:27:21 PM
Congrats to the Green Knights and good luck in the playoffs.  I'll need to look at the stats, cuz I don't think the score tells the whole story.

I'll second the congrats and good luck to the Green Knights. Score doesn't tell the story though...too many self-inflicted wounds today that helped out SNC when they're already good enough to win on their own without the turnovers, penalties, and mistakes.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:36:05 PM
MC dominated the stats, no doubt. But turnovers, missed FG, blocked FG and other miscues were too much to overcome. Or, you could say it was classic bend don't break by SNC defense. Scots certainly moved the ball better than SNC. But SNC made enough plays to get the points needed. But I can see how the scots will think they gave it away instead of being beaten.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 14, 2015, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 04:36:05 PM
MC dominated the stats, no doubt. But turnovers, missed FG, blocked FG and other miscues were too much to overcome. Or, you could say it was classic bend don't break by SNC defense. Scots certainly moved the ball better than SNC. But SNC made enough plays to get the points needed. But I can see how the scots will think they gave it away instead of being beaten.

SNC certainly made the big plays and that was enough to be the difference. I didn't mean to take any credit away from them in my last post, sorry if it came across that way at all.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 14, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
No, it didn't. Clearly the Scots are a good team that could have won. Take out that 88-yard play to the 1 and the subsequent TD, and it's a different game. There were some 20-30 yard plays by both teams, but that was the only BIG offensive play by either side.

As it was MC outgained SNC 368-302. Take out that one play, and it's a bigger difference. First downs were 23-9 MC. Stats galore say MC had a better day gaining ground.  But turnovers were 4-0 in favor of SNC.

And regardless, we'll likely get sent to a WIAC school for a short playoff stay. We don't have the OL or DL size to matchup with UWO, UWW, UWP or St Thomas...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2015, 12:08:45 AM
Meanwhile, the other battles today...

IC beat Carroll, 30-27 for third.
(And, see ya, Pioneers... good luck)

Ripon beat Lake Forest, 27-7 for fifth

Cornell beat Macalester, 25-22 for seventh

Beloit beat Knox, 24-21 for ninth

Grinnell beat Lawrence 34-27 for 11th
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 15, 2015, 07:07:53 AM
I hereby officially and publicly denounce my temporary Scot citizenship.  It was fun while it lasted, but I will now go back to my original home base.

Congrats to SNC and good luck in the playoffs.

GySgt out.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2015, 06:31:32 PM
And, the D3football guys were right, and SNC gets to go to Whitewater.

That said, a few years back, the narrowest margin of victory UWW had was the first-round win against SNC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
some video from yesterday:
http://fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-remains-undefeated-and-captures-mwc-title

newspaper coverage:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/2015/11/14/st-norbert-forces-turnovers-take-mwc-title/75799514/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 16, 2015, 03:30:06 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 15, 2015, 07:07:53 AM
I hereby officially and publicly denounce my temporary Scot citizenship.  It was fun while it lasted, but I will now go back to my original home base.

Congrats to SNC and good luck in the playoffs.

GySgt out.

Good to have you on board for a few days.  You can keep the kilt and t-shirt courtesy of the Good Guys!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on November 16, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
I attended the Grinnell at LU game Saturday. Worst officiated game I've been at.  All these oaf conferences after flags were thrown, then picked up, these guys were bad.  Might have been an OT game, but twice Grinnell interfered with LU in the end zone inside 1 minute, both ultimately not called.

Hope they aren't paid well.  >:(

Unless Grinnell's endowment paid them. That would explain it  :o

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Red Hawks on November 17, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Seems like this story slipped through the cracks: http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2015/contrib/20151114sskdo7

Congrats to Coach Ernst on an amazing accomplishment!!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
An average of 6.4 wins/season over a 25-year span sounds like an amazingly patient football community.  Kudos.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 18, 2015, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2015, 06:31:32 PM
And, the D3football guys were right, and SNC gets to go to Whitewater.

That said, a few years back, the narrowest margin of victory UWW had was the first-round win against SNC.

As far as first round matchups over the years, that's probably true. But UWW did have closer games that post season in 2013. However, SNC did give UWW more a game than Mount did in the Stagg Bowl.   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 18, 2015, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on November 16, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
I attended the Grinnell at LU game Saturday. Worst officiated game I've been at.  All these oaf conferences after flags were thrown, then picked up, these guys were bad.  Might have been an OT game, but twice Grinnell interfered with LU in the end zone inside 1 minute, both ultimately not called.

Hope they aren't paid well.  >:(

Unless Grinnell's endowment paid them. That would explain it  :o

Agreed. You left off the two face mask calls that they also missed. Sunday I watched the Packer game, though, and I wondered if the same crew went to Lambeau.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wartknight on November 18, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 18, 2015, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on November 16, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
I attended the Grinnell at LU game Saturday. Worst officiated game I've been at.  All these oaf conferences after flags were thrown, then picked up, these guys were bad.  Might have been an OT game, but twice Grinnell interfered with LU in the end zone inside 1 minute, both ultimately not called.

Hope they aren't paid well.  >:(

Unless Grinnell's endowment paid them. That would explain it  :o

Agreed. You left off the two face mask calls that they also missed. Sunday I watched the Packer game, though, and I wondered if the same crew went to Lambeau.
I agree - the Pack were very fortunate! ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 20, 2015, 04:16:56 AM
It would be fun if your conference could pull off an upset once and send everything spinning.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2015, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 20, 2015, 04:16:56 AM
It would be fun if your conference could pull off an upset once and send everything spinning.

SNC beat Simpson in 2003... not sure all would classify that as an upset...

But Monmouth's 2011 win at Illinois Wesleyan may...

"so you're saying there's a chance..."  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2015, 09:34:46 AM
SNC beat Simpson in 2003... not sure all would classify that as an upset...

But Monmouth's 2011 win at Illinois Wesleyan may...

"so you're saying there's a chance..."  ;D

Definitely consider that game an upset. But doesn't mean that nobody thought it could happen:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/11/18/triple-take-chomping-into-round-1/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 20, 2015, 05:54:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 20, 2015, 09:34:46 AM
SNC beat Simpson in 2003... not sure all would classify that as an upset...

But Monmouth's 2011 win at Illinois Wesleyan may...

"so you're saying there's a chance..."  ;D

Definitely consider that game an upset. But doesn't mean that nobody thought it could happen:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/11/18/triple-take-chomping-into-round-1/

I remember Pat at the time reading your projected win for Monmouth and wondering...was a great call...it happens...it's called football
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 22, 2015, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
An average of 6.4 wins/season over a 25-year span sounds like an amazingly patient football community.  Kudos.

Do you think there's an MWC school where averaging 6.4 wins per year wouldn't be good enough to keep your job?  I can't think of one.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2015, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on November 22, 2015, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
An average of 6.4 wins/season over a 25-year span sounds like an amazingly patient football community.  Kudos.

Do you think there's an MWC school where averaging 6.4 wins per year wouldn't be good enough to keep your job?  I can't think of one.

6-4 wasn't good enough for SNC to keep Opgenorth after his first season.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on November 23, 2015, 12:26:07 AM
Hows the weather there?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 23, 2015, 08:59:43 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on November 23, 2015, 12:26:07 AM
Hows the weather there?

If you are looking ahead to Saturday, expected to be 35 and sunny.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 23, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 22, 2015, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on November 22, 2015, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
An average of 6.4 wins/season over a 25-year span sounds like an amazingly patient football community.  Kudos.

Do you think there's an MWC school where averaging 6.4 wins per year wouldn't be good enough to keep your job?  I can't think of one.

6-4 wasn't good enough for SNC to keep Opgenorth after his first season.

6-4 is kinda like kissing your sister.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on November 23, 2015, 03:17:02 PM
Weren't there other circumstances surrounding that SNC coach, though?  I'm not saying 6-4 is a great record, I'm just saying that given the emphasis most MWC schools put on football and sports in general that if a coach consistently went 6-4, his job wouldn't be in jeopardy unless there were other things going on.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2015, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: wnc52 on November 23, 2015, 03:17:02 PM
Weren't there other circumstances surrounding that SNC coach, though?  I'm not saying 6-4 is a great record, I'm just saying that given the emphasis most MWC schools put on football and sports in general that if a coach consistently went 6-4, his job wouldn't be in jeopardy unless there were other things going on.

Those are my thoughts as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 11:37:08 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.  Safe Travels. :-*
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 30, 2015, 08:29:51 AM
More of a basketball & track item, but SNC has submitted plans to De Pere for the long-awaited expansion of the Schuldes Sports Center
http://fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-plans-addition-to-sports-center

For full details, go here, page 8:
http://deperecitywi.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=1588&Inline=True

Page 23-26 for renderings

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Red Hawks on December 01, 2015, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
An average of 6.4 wins/season over a 25-year span sounds like an amazingly patient football community.  Kudos.

Still, 2 losing seasons in 25 years is another amazing feat.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2016, 12:34:46 PM
Time flies. Alex Tanney is 28. Good to see him get his chance yesterday!

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/01/tanney-gets-his-shot
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on January 08, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
Anyone hearing anything on the recruiting front?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on January 08, 2016, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2016, 12:34:46 PM
Time flies. Alex Tanney is 28. Good to see him get his chance yesterday!

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/01/tanney-gets-his-shot

Thanks for the article, Pat.  You're not so bad....I don't care what Fullbackdad says about you!   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on January 08, 2016, 08:54:54 PM
Fulbakdad still exists? I remember him, "charles" and "softballrz" (who may possibly have been all the same person LOL... ok maybe not) being staunch defenders of the so-so teams on the New England FC board in the east region a few years back.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on January 09, 2016, 11:56:14 AM
Do I still exist?  Oh my, I'm not that old! lol

I hover the boards from time to time.  My son graduated and has moved on to college coaching.  Not as driven as I was before.  Was much more personnel when he was on the field hitting people.

And I wasn't a staunch supporter of so so New England teams, I was a vocal supporter of one New England team, Salve Regina.  That was because of the very positive view and experience I had with the head coach who was there when my son was being recruited. (He has taken over Assumption, DII, and is doing very well there now too).

And Scottie, I shared BEER with Pat at a game once!  We are BUDS!

GySgt out.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pg04 on January 09, 2016, 01:11:36 PM
Lol sorry  ;D. It's ok, that was the most action that board ever got! Glad things have progressed for you and your son!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on March 09, 2016, 10:01:27 AM
The Maroons are coming, the Maroons are coming! Well, maybe. I understand the U of Chicago has requested to join the MWC as a football-only affiliate. Not sure when that would start. Better program today than the last time they were in the Midwest Conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on May 11, 2016, 01:12:04 PM
Announced officially today. Starting in 2017.

Quote from: judgetrainer on March 09, 2016, 10:01:27 AM
The Maroons are coming, the Maroons are coming! Well, maybe. I understand the U of Chicago has requested to join the MWC as a football-only affiliate. Not sure when that would start. Better program today than the last time they were in the Midwest Conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on May 11, 2016, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on May 11, 2016, 01:12:04 PM
Announced officially today. Starting in 2017.

Quote from: judgetrainer on March 09, 2016, 10:01:27 AM
The Maroons are coming, the Maroons are coming! Well, maybe. I understand the U of Chicago has requested to join the MWC as a football-only affiliate. Not sure when that would start. Better program today than the last time they were in the Midwest Conference.

Link to the story: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/05/mwc-finally-confirms-chicago
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on May 12, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
And my first prediction is the UofC v SNC game in '17 will decide the north title.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on May 16, 2016, 01:21:02 PM
So, if Chicago ever departs, does the MWC need to find a third team that uses the Bears' "C" logo? Or will the Bears simply be relegated to the MWC?  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: ncc_fan on May 16, 2016, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on May 16, 2016, 01:21:02 PM
So, if Chicago ever departs, does the MWC need to find a third team that uses the Bears' "C" logo? Or will the Bears simply be relegated to the MWC?  ;D

The Bears use the U of C's logo, not the other way around.  UChicago adopted the "wishbone C" in 1898 (http://communications.uchicago.edu/identity/wordmarks-athletic-c), when George Halas was 3 years old.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on May 16, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
Quote from: ncc_fan on May 16, 2016, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on May 16, 2016, 01:21:02 PM
So, if Chicago ever departs, does the MWC need to find a third team that uses the Bears' "C" logo? Or will the Bears simply be relegated to the MWC?  ;D

The Bears use the U of C's logo, not the other way around.  UChicago adopted the "wishbone C" in 1898 (http://communications.uchicago.edu/identity/wordmarks-athletic-c), when George Halas was 3 years old.

I did not know this. And, yes, the question did cross my mind.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 17, 2016, 04:38:54 PM
Caught something today's paper that I thought might interest those of you who call Monmouth your guys.  The Tennessee Titans have released backup QB Zach Mettenberger.   However the move was made after they had signed Matt Cassel to back up starter Marc Mariota.  The reason I think you might be interested is because the third QB is Alex Tanney and barring any further moves at the position it would seem to put him in a good position to at least make the practice squad or possibly the roster if team were to decide to carry three QBs on their roster.  Good luck to him.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on May 18, 2016, 09:30:17 AM
Just throwing this out for my own personal abuse but Lawrence has a freshman class this year that includes 25 for football. I think, but I cannot be certain, this would be the largest incoming class in program history.

It is a start.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on June 03, 2016, 06:27:02 AM
Lake Forest Football had a tough week.  http://www.goforesters.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20160601nxo0t3

Thoughts and prayers to the family......
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 03, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
Just saw this news via Twitter. Condolences to all involved.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 20, 2016, 09:44:27 AM
SNC only MWC school to get votes in the preseason top 25

http://www.d3football.com/top25/2016/preseason

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: carletonknights on July 23, 2016, 12:48:19 AM
Looking forward to the Lake Forest game this September!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 25, 2016, 01:06:42 PM
Story on LU/SNC/RC facility spending
http://fox11online.com/sports/college/local-division-iii-schools-investing-big
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
I'd guess it was a screenshot from a video game. You can typically program in your own teams.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 08, 2016, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
I'd guess it was a screenshot from a video game. You can typically program in your own teams.

Am I missing some connection on this one, Pat? What is a screenshot from a video game?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2016, 06:15:04 PM
Someone posted a comment with some screenshots and has since deleted it.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 09, 2016, 05:06:07 PM
Aha! I WAS missing something. Beyond my mind...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 10, 2016, 09:03:35 AM
Ripon post previewing season:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFO8SE_8H6Q&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 10, 2016, 10:57:56 AM
preseason poll:


GRINNELL, Iowa – The Midwest Conference (MWC) football coaches have picked St. Norbert College to win its 17th MWC title in their annual Preseason Coaches' Poll.

The MWC will have just one division in 2016 after having divisional play the past two seasons.  Member institutions' schedules will include an eight-game conference slate.

The Green Knights garnered six first-place votes and totaled 96 points in the poll.  Monmouth College is expected to be St. Norbert's top competition for the conference crown after picking up four first-place tallies and 94 total points.  The Fighting Scots host the Green Knights on November 5.

Illinois College, under new head coach Ray DeFrisco, earned the final top vote and finished third in the poll with 75 points.  Ripon College came in fourth with 68 points and Lake Forest College took fifth with 67 points.

Macalester College finished sixth with 56, just edging out Cornell College (55).  Beloit College (36), Knox College (27), Lawrence University (17) and Grinnell College (14) complete the poll.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 10, 2016, 11:49:01 AM
New coach at IC?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 10, 2016, 03:59:52 PM
fulbakdad the prior coach took what I think was an OC job in California this spring in D2. I think IC promoted from within.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 11, 2016, 09:41:51 PM
A feature on one of Lawrence's incoming freshmen:
http://fox11online.com/news/local/green-bay/lawrence-football-player-has-family-tie-with-the-packers

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 16, 2016, 11:23:01 AM
Not football related but from a school in your league so I thought I'd share it

The Beloit College Mindset List for the class of 2020

http://www.nbc15.com/content/news/Beloit-College-releases-Mindset-List-for-Class-of-2020-390302121.html

#10  :-[  :(
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on August 20, 2016, 07:42:58 PM
The coaching change at IC didn't draw much attention, even within IC circles, but here is a link:

http://www.illinoiscollegeathletics.com/news/2016/5/12/football-garrett-campbell-resigns-post-at-illinois-college.aspx?path=football

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 23, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
Was the MWC the lowest ranked conference? How many of the bottom 48 teams do we have?  :(
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2016, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 23, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
Was the MWC the lowest ranked conference? How many of the bottom 48 teams do we have?  :(

Here's the conference rankings. (Only available to subscribers.)
http://www.d3football.com/secure/2016/features/conference-rankings
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 30, 2016, 11:56:11 AM
Howdy,

Just looking to see if anyone here is interested in participating in the West Region Fan Poll? I have a few spots to fill if any MWC fans are looking to join. All that's required is send me your top 10 west teams each week, then I'll post the groups' results in the West Fan Poll thread. Please send me a PM if interested.

Much appreciated, and best of luck to everyone's teams this season.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 01, 2016, 05:33:04 AM
Wow, 2 days till 1st kickoff and this board is SILENT!  Where is everyone?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 01, 2016, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 01, 2016, 05:33:04 AM
Wow, 2 days till 1st kickoff and this board is SILENT!  Where is everyone?

Trying to ovoid this guy, so they can make the game on Saturday...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-HMIXaVAFR1A%2FUJ0nIYLSaVI%2FAAAAAAAAE0o%2FQBy-6oBlY6I%2Fs1600%2Foffice%2Bspace.jpg&hash=2d6c894d4dfab2c4f9855253766d0fd8a8d1d050)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 01, 2016, 03:25:17 PM
Tomorrow afternoon the BADGERS will play LSU in historic Lambeau Field.  It's been 33 years since a college football game was played in Lambeau.  One of the two teams that participated in that game was St Norbert.  The other was Fordham.  It was part of what was referred to as the Vince Lombardi Memorial Classic.  The Green Knights won 18-0 in front of 842 fans.  Tomorrow the game is a sellout and a crowd of more than 80,000 is expected.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 01, 2016, 03:25:17 PM
Tomorrow afternoon the BADGERS will play LSU in historic Lambeau Field.  It's been 33 years since a college football game was played in Lambeau.  One of the two teams that participated in that game was St Norbert.  The other was Fordham.  It was part of what was referred to as the Vince Lombardi Memorial Classic.  The Green Knights won 18-0 in front of 842 fans.  Tomorrow the game is a sellout and a crowd of more than 80,000 is expected.

not to be nitpicky, but the game is Saturday...

lots of fans already streaming into town...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 02, 2016, 04:14:45 PM
Since I've quit working on Fridays I sometimes get my Thursdays confused with Fridays.  I just thought it was a neat bit of trivia for you guys.  The Vince Lombardi Memorial Classic only lasted two years and pitted St Norbert and Fordham both times. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 02, 2016, 05:40:36 PM
From a SNC page...

Norbs Nation: Please tune into ESPN College GameDay Saturday morning around 8:04am CT. They will be airing footage from the 1983 game between St. Norbert and Fordham at Lambeau Field. Some of that footage may be run during the LSU/Wisconsin broadcast as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 02, 2016, 09:57:28 PM
Congrats to Alex Tanney for making the Tennessee Titans 53 man roster.  Here is a nice bio page:  http://www.titansonline.com/team/roster/Alex-Tanney/c558bfc2-4e57-4696-925a-0cbd967982d6
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2016, 12:53:01 PM
today's slate:


SATURDAY  9.3.16  FOOTBALL
Beloit College      Lake Forest College         1:00 p.m.   Lake Forest, Ill.   
Eureka College      Knox College         1:00 p.m.   Galesburg, Ill.   L
Ripon College      Concordia University Chicago         1:00 p.m.   River Forest, Ill.   
Carleton College      Macalester College         1:00 p.m.   St. Paul, Minn.    
St. Olaf College      Grinnell College         1:00 p.m.   Grinnell, Iowa   
University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point      St. Norbert College         1:00 p.m.   De Pere, Wis.   
Lawrence University      Presentation         1:00 PM   Aberdeen, SD   
Monmouth College      Hope College         1:30 p.m.   Holland, Mich.
Illinois College               Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology         6:00 p.m.   Terre Haute, Ind.
Cornell College      Iowa Wesleyan University         7:00 p.m.   Mount Pleasant, Iowa   
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2016, 03:02:03 PM
Nearing halftime, Sp leads SNC 20-0.

Pointer lines controlling play as you might expect. SNC not playing poor defensively but cannot do anything on offense due to UWSP line

But the Goodyear Blimp did a fly by...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2016, 03:58:08 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 44, Hope 3

Congrats to the Fighting Scots on opening up the 2016 season with a nice road win!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2016, 05:31:16 PM
Final
UWSP 37
SNC 14

As noted, the UWSP lines were just too much on both sides of the ball, especially defensively, for SNC to handle. UWSP wasn't great but certainly good enough today. SNC had too many dropped passes and other issues.

Still, pleased to see SNC schedule a quality opponent for non-confererence.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 04, 2016, 06:13:20 AM
I went 2-0 yesterday in the MWC.  Lake Forest takes care of business in the opener and Concordia does the same at home.  (Son now coaches at Concordia)... :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 05, 2016, 10:39:54 AM
On the surface, IC's win impresses me although I'll admit I don't know much about what if anything Rose Hulman returns from last year. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 06, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
Congrats to Lake Forest running back Joey Valdivia on being selected to the D3 Football.com Team of the week.  He should have a monster of a year!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 06, 2016, 04:34:39 PM
FWIW I watched Lawrence play Presentation College via the web Saturday. I had to look PC up via Google to find them (NAIA and in Aberdeen SD). In a 22mph wind PC won 17-10.

Things I did not like: Two PC receivers open in the end zone by 20 yards for the first score. Missed/broken tackles that allowed drives to continue for PC. The Fly not working to the outside at all. Not going for it on fourth and four at the PC 31 in the fourth quarter trailing by a touchdown (missed the FG, too). Five dropped passes by LU including three that were right in the hands. Four yard and six yard punts that resulted in 10 points for PC.

Things I did like: LU held PC to less than 180 yards total offense (which is a drastic improvement over Rockford last year). LU ran the ball up the middle with success with four frosh starting on the OL. This was winnable.

Still a long process to rebuild Viking football but I think they will be more competitive than last year. I think PC is probably in the Beloit or Knox level of quality.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
So the guy who covers the West Region does a cover story on a running back who didn't play this week (maybe it could have waited till he did play).  Then accolades to the Monmouth "Two Headed Running Attack".  And ignores the MWC Offensive player of the week and D3 Team of the week member who's numbers were just a tad south of the combined 2 Heads....

Geez, no respect I say, No respect!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 07, 2016, 08:36:13 AM
Welcome to the MWC... :(

Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
So the guy who covers the West Region does a cover story on a running back who didn't play this week (maybe it could have waited till he did play).  Then accolades to the Monmouth "Two Headed Running Attack".  And ignores the MWC Offensive player of the week and D3 Team of the week member who's numbers were just a tad south of the combined 2 Heads....

Geez, no respect I say, No respect!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 07, 2016, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 07, 2016, 08:36:13 AM
Welcome to the MWC... :(

Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
So the guy who covers the West Region does a cover story on a running back who didn't play this week (maybe it could have waited till he did play).  Then accolades to the Monmouth "Two Headed Running Attack".  And ignores the MWC Offensive player of the week and D3 Team of the week member who's numbers were just a tad south of the combined 2 Heads....

Geez, no respect I say, No respect!

Rule Number One:
The Good Guys get preference on all news features until scottiesaysotherwise (tm).

Y E S . . . . . . . I ' M   BACK  !  !  !  !
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 07, 2016, 08:16:57 PM
Welcome back Scottie!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 07, 2016, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2016, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 07, 2016, 08:36:13 AM
Welcome to the MWC... :(

Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
So the guy who covers the West Region does a cover story on a running back who didn't play this week (maybe it could have waited till he did play).  Then accolades to the Monmouth "Two Headed Running Attack".  And ignores the MWC Offensive player of the week and D3 Team of the week member who's numbers were just a tad south of the combined 2 Heads....

Geez, no respect I say, No respect!

Rule Number One:
The Good Guys get preference on all news features until scottiesaysotherwise (tm).

Y E S . . . . . . . I ' M   BACK  !  !  !  !

Hey scottie! Good to see/read you!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2016, 03:46:55 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
So the guy who covers the West Region does a cover story on a running back who didn't play this week (maybe it could have waited till he did play).  Then accolades to the Monmouth "Two Headed Running Attack".  And ignores the MWC Offensive player of the week and D3 Team of the week member who's numbers were just a tad south of the combined 2 Heads....

Geez, no respect I say, No respect!

At least someone from Lake Forest nominated the guy. I'm not sure how often that actually happens.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
What was a bigger story Saturday probably went unnoticed outside of the Lake Forest circle.  Just prior to the season Lake Forest lost a Defensive Lineman Dj Baker who passed away due to a brain aneurism.  This link is a great short video showing how the team dedicated Saturday, which was "Hero's Day", to DJ.  On the first play on defense, Lake Forest lined up with 10 players leaving his spot vacant.  Beloit ran the ball to that side and was stuffed at the line of scrimmage.  For those who remember, kind of like when Beloit stuffed Lake Forest a couple years ago when we were thinking of our fellow poster the Roop who had just passed. 

Anyways, worth a watch.....Should have been the play of the week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeDCvBjqLFY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on September 09, 2016, 10:28:37 AM
Thanks for that link fulbakdad.  Great job Foresters on a great tribute on what was probably a great, but emotional, day at Lake Forest.

Big week this week for the MWC and it's non-conference schedules.  Some great opportunities to make some strides in terms of conference reputation and maybe help out the seeding for the AQ in November...IC vs Simpson, Lake Forest vs Carleton, Monmouth vs Wartburg, Ripon vs La Crosse, Macalester vs Hamline, Cornell vs Coe.  These are all opponents from higher ranked conferences. 

Good luck to all!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: warthog on September 09, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
Well, tomorrow we see if that one week head start is a big benefit to Monmouth.

A fairly young Wartburg squad could have probably used a warm up game prior to taking on, what appears to be, a very good Fighting Scots team.

I hope to see a good turnout of Knight fans over there in the Prairie State for Wartburg's opener. The Iowa State/Iowa game might impact the crowd.

Parking suggestions for easy access to visitors side.  We've usually tried to arrive in time to park by the tennis courts.  Since the lawn of the president's house is likely to be off limits, are the tennis courts still a good option?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 09, 2016, 01:57:55 PM
fulbakdad, that would get a + if I was permitted to give them. I knew of the young man's passing but I was not aware of the cause. So very sad for such a young man to go so early.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 09, 2016, 06:04:16 PM
Quote from: warthog on September 09, 2016, 01:50:56 PM
Well, tomorrow we see if that one week head start is a big benefit to Monmouth.

A fairly young Wartburg squad could have probably used a warm up game prior to taking on, what appears to be, a very good Fighting Scots team.

I hope to see a good turnout of Knight fans over there in the Prairie State for Wartburg's opener. The Iowa State/Iowa game might impact the crowd.

Parking suggestions for easy access to visitors side.  We've usually tried to arrive in time to park by the tennis courts.  Since the lawn of the president's house is likely to be off limits, are the tennis courts still a good option?

Tennis court lot is your closest option, but may not be an actual option...there has been a security guard at the entrance in recent seasons, I assume redirecting non-students elsewhere. There are other lots on Broadway in front of the newer science building and another one a block off campus on Euclid that might be possibilities. On-street parking somewhere just west of campus might be the best bet for proximity to the visitors side.

Hoping we see a good one tomorrow afternoon!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2016, 09:58:11 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 09, 2016, 07:25:59 AM

Anyways, worth a watch.....Should have been the play of the week.

It wouldn't have been our POTW but if it had been nominated before the deadline it would have made one of our lists somewhere ...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 10, 2016, 02:20:51 PM
Of course it wouldn't Pat.  Of course....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 10, 2016, 02:22:03 PM
Lake Forest out to a 14-0 lead with 5 left in the 1st.  Went on a 4th and 1 from their own 30....  Nice...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 10, 2016, 03:18:55 PM
Lake Forest up 35-7 at half.  Lake Forest with 400 yard of offense at the half....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 10, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 29, Wartburg 22

Good weather and good crowd on both sides made for a nice atmosphere. Congrats to the Scots on the come from behind win!

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: cubs on September 10, 2016, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 09, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
What was a bigger story Saturday probably went unnoticed outside of the Lake Forest circle.  Just prior to the season Lake Forest lost a Defensive Lineman Dj Baker who passed away due to a brain aneurism.  This link is a great short video showing how the team dedicated Saturday, which was "Hero's Day", to DJ.  On the first play on defense, Lake Forest lined up with 10 players leaving his spot vacant.  Beloit ran the ball to that side and was stuffed at the line of scrimmage.  For those who remember, kind of like when Beloit stuffed Lake Forest a couple years ago when we were thinking of our fellow poster the Roop who had just passed. 

Anyways, worth a watch.....Should have been the play of the week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeDCvBjqLFY&feature=youtu.be
Thanks for sharing fulbakdad!!!  +K!!

However, how in the heck did I miss the fact that The Roop had passed away?  :'(
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 11, 2016, 07:39:17 AM
Shocked us all.  He has a nephew that plays for Lake Forest.  That's how I found out.,
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2016, 09:06:09 AM
I didn't get a chance to do every conference, but if my math is correct (and I was a communication major, so...)

MWC was 8-12 in out-of-conference non-conference games (it appears Beloit/Knox was a non-con game).

Including:
0-2 vs. WIAC
1-2 vs. MIAC
1-2 vs. IIAC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 12, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
I believe that Lake Forests first game against Beloit was also non conference....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2016, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 12, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
I believe that Lake Forests first game against Beloit was also non conference....

Missed that, thanks... I was looking for the opponents from the other leagues.

So, 7-11. And SNC didn't help any. But LU did. Go figure.

And Beloit couldn't find anyone outside the MWC to play? What's with that? Rockford College is a stone's throw away. Create some sort of border line trophy or something... Just an idea...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 13, 2016, 12:22:36 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 07, 2016, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 07, 2016, 08:36:13 AM
Welcome to the MWC... :(

Quote from: fulbakdad on September 07, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
So the guy who covers the West Region does a cover story on a running back who didn't play this week (maybe it could have waited till he did play).  Then accolades to the Monmouth "Two Headed Running Attack".  And ignores the MWC Offensive player of the week and D3 Team of the week member who's numbers were just a tad south of the combined 2 Heads....

Geez, no respect I say, No respect!

Rule Number One:
The Good Guys get preference on all news features until scottiesaysotherwise (tm).

Y E S . . . . . . . I ' M   BACK  !  !  !  !

scottie - You think f-dad is mad again this week??? :D

Congrats to Matlick and Barnes on earning MWC Offensive and Defensive Performers of the Week!  Roll Scots!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 14, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
MWC scheduling has struck me as odd for a few years now. The two division format made for a five game conference schedule (only those in the division mattered) but many schools were using other MWC teams to fill out two or three games. I suspect it is hard to find true non-conference opponents after the first three weeks of the year.

I commend SNC for taking on a pair of tough opponents. If they keep doing that it can only help them with playoff seeding if they improve their program. The Whitewater guys talk about how going to Mt. Union before WW was a contender changed their thinking. Still, the results show SNC is a really big fish in a really tiny football pond.

Long ago when I was a student at LU (and dinosaurs roamed, let me show you my AARP card, and get off my lawn) I recall they played three non-conference games and included a trip to Texas one year (I think it was Trinity). Budgets are a killer.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2016, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 14, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
MWC scheduling has struck me as odd for a few years now. The two division format made for a five game conference schedule (only those in the division mattered) but many schools were using other MWC teams to fill out two or three games. I suspect it is hard to find true non-conference opponents after the first three weeks of the year.

I commend SNC for taking on a pair of tough opponents. If they keep doing that it can only help them with playoff seeding if they improve their program. The Whitewater guys talk about how going to Mt. Union before WW was a contender changed their thinking. Still, the results show SNC is a really big fish in a really tiny football pond.

Long ago when I was a student at LU (and dinosaurs roamed, let me show you my AARP card, and get off my lawn) I recall they played three non-conference games and included a trip to Texas one year (I think it was Trinity). Budgets are a killer.

It is indeed hard to find non-conference opponents later in the season. The MWC's non-conference weeks are Week 1 and 2, though, and basically everyone in the area is available for non-conference at that point. The constant change in the conference structure does make it a little more difficult to plan non-conference games, but Week 1 and 2 have been open for non-conference play for a few years now. Some choose to play completely insular schedules (Beloit) while others are choosing to add one non-conference game vs. a conference foe.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2016, 10:20:34 PM
With the 12-team two divisions, I really liked the two-game north/south crossover. Half of the classes got to play 4 of the other 6 schools, while the other half that hit it staggered got to play all six. And that still left room for non-conference.

I was not a big fan of the not-play-everybody-round robin. But I guess it was good in that there was still a non-con game, but not having all head-to-head was odd and kinda sucked, IMO.

I get why more MWC schools don't play the WIAC. Let's face it, the state schools, even the bottom feeders, should beat MWC teams the vast majority of the time. But, as noted, a win by the MWC says a lot.

Pat is spot on that the changes in format has been a challenge, given how far out some scheduling is done. But I'd like think there are enough teams in WI, IL, MN and IA that Lawrence shouldn't have to go to SD to play a NAIA school.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2016, 10:29:52 PM
I don't really fault Lawrence for trying to find a win, I guess. Grinnell, either. Tough times at those two programs.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 15, 2016, 09:05:24 AM
I can only speculate but I suspect Lawrence could not find someone willing to play them. As Pat said, hard times for a LONG time. A W against Lawrence for a rising program is not exactly exciting. If the recruiting continues and the kids stick around (last year they had 10 freshman this year they have 5 sophs) it will get better. And a new full AD might mean more expansive scheduling.

A man can, hope, right?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2016, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 15, 2016, 09:05:24 AM
I can only speculate but I suspect Lawrence could not find someone willing to play them. As Pat said, hard times for a LONG time. A W against Lawrence for a rising program is not exactly exciting. If the recruiting continues and the kids stick around (last year they had 10 freshman this year they have 5 sophs) it will get better. And a new full AD might mean more expansive scheduling.

A man can, hope, right?

Actually, Lawrence had an agreement with Illinois Wesleyan that it pulled out of. IWU ended up having to play a team from Mexico in a game that doesn't even count. I am sure there was at least one team willing to play them. :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2016, 01:39:29 PM
I guess I don't perceive a league such as the NACC as so vastly superior to the MWC in the way that WIAC is, or even the MIAC.  Being so close, somehow I would expect to see more MWC teams play Lakeland, CUW, and/or Wisconsin Lutheran.

SNC has a two-year deal with Benedictine. But haven't played Lakeland (which is an hour away) since 1962. Haven't played CUW since 1995.  Never played Wisconsin Lutheran, Aurora, Rockford, or Concordia-Chicago.

As for Lawrence, haven't played CUW since 91, Lakeland since 83, or Wisco since 2002. (and haven't played the Michigan Wolverines since 1915, or Minnesota Gophers since 1910!!!) They did play Rockford the last two years, however. (And they lost in SD, but beat Finlandia - which is at least just the next state up, and a school in their hockey conference).

Just seems the two would hook up more.

Of course, it looks like the NACC has its act together, having a deal with the MIAA. Maybe the MWC needs to find something like that.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 15, 2016, 03:23:28 PM
SNC does have a game with Aurora coming up in 2018, and plays at UW-Eau Claire that year... so good to see another WIAC school set, and there's a NACC, too.

(Thanks, DL)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 15, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
I was not aware of the IL Wesleyan deal for LU. That would have made sense. Very disappointing LU backed out.

And gbpuckfan, I agree wholeheartedly. MWC should be playing NACC, Upper Midwest, and whoever they can grab from MIAC, WIAC, CCIW. I would think Twin Cities and Chicago area would be prime away locations for Lawrence; large alumni and prospective student populations.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 15, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 12, 2016, 09:06:09 AM

Including:
0-2 vs. WIAC
1-2 vs. MIAC
1-2 vs. IIAC

First off, to the rest of the MWC, you're welcome. ^^

Second, IWU should be ashamed of themselves for scheduling Larry in the first place.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 16, 2016, 02:20:44 PM
The north invades the south this week, with no MWC games in Wisconsin.

Lake Forest @ Cornell
Beloit @ Grinnell
SNC @ Knox
Macalester @ IC
Ripon @ Monmouth

And Lawrence has a bye...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 16, 2016, 03:07:36 PM
Lake Forest moves to 3-0 with another big game (which will go unnoticed) by Valdivia.  235 yards on 15 carries with 3 Td's.

:)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on September 16, 2016, 03:50:32 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 15, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
I was not aware of the IL Wesleyan deal for LU. That would have made sense. Very disappointing LU backed out.

And gbpuckfan, I agree wholeheartedly. MWC should be playing NACC, Upper Midwest, and whoever they can grab from MIAC, WIAC, CCIW. I would think Twin Cities and Chicago area would be prime away locations for Lawrence; large alumni and prospective student populations.

I believe LU had to back out for risk management reasons.  They play in a bowl (Banta Bowl) and the large number of IWU fans in wheelchairs could not be accommodated in the stadium despite the modifications made last year.  If they rolled them down to field level,  and someone loses control, the damage would be devastating.  Being a good host is big at LU.  :D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 17, 2016, 03:12:19 PM
GOOD GUYS up 21-0 at Half.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 17, 2016, 03:19:18 PM
Lake Forest up 35-0 over Cornell with 1 minute left in the half.  Valdivia over 100 rushing with 2 TD's.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 17, 2016, 03:26:35 PM
make that 35-6 at half.  Cornell scored on a hail Mary as the clock expires and misses the extra point.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 17, 2016, 04:20:06 PM
Lake Forest up 55-13 4 left in the 3rd.  This offense looks VERY good.  Valdivia running strong, Quinn right adding more yards.  And the Sophomore QB with his receivers clicking on all cylinders........
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 17, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 28, Ripon 0

Beat you to it, scottie.  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 17, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
Final, Lake Forest 55 Cornell 13...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2016, 12:51:22 AM
SNC scored 35 in the FIRST quarter and rolled from there.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 18, 2016, 11:38:52 AM
Macalester with a solid win over the Blueboys, 45-35.  Looked like offense was in sync and the Scots have their QB situation figured out.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 18, 2016, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 16, 2016, 03:07:36 PM
Lake Forest moves to 3-0 with another big game (which will go unnoticed) by Valdivia.  235 yards on 15 carries with 3 Td's.

:)

scottie grants permission for this to be noticed.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2016, 05:46:17 AM
Lol, thanks Scottie.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Did the board freeze this week?  Or was everyone just getting out of the way for the big match up in Lake Forest today?

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2016, 02:34:02 PM
End of first quarter

Monmouth leads Lake Forest 10-0
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2016, 03:20:09 PM
End of the first half

Monmouth leads Lake Forest 31-6
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2016, 03:42:38 PM
How many yards has the LFC running back pounded out so far?  If he didn't hang a hundo in the first half, I'll be very surprised. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2016, 04:16:06 PM
After 3 quarters

Monmouth leads Lake Forest 52-6
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2016, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 24, 2016, 03:42:38 PM
How many yards has the LFC running back pounded out so far?  If he didn't hang a hundo in the first half, I'll be very surprised. ;)

Through 3 quarters of play, 9 carries for 9 yards with a 12-yard touchdown run...meaning his other 8 carries have resulted in negative yards.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2016, 04:24:27 PM
D'oh!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2016, 04:38:56 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 52, Lake Forest 6

Pretty awesome birthday present for Coach Braun! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2016, 04:53:14 PM
But did they tip-toe their way to the victory?  THAT'S the question.  :o
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 24, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 24, 2016, 04:53:14 PM
But did they tip-toe their way to the victory?  THAT'S the question.  :o

I'll let the tip-toe expert answer that question... ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 25, 2016, 08:03:38 AM
There was very little tip toeing   I was very glad your guys learned to man up!

Valdivia did very little yesterday.  As did the rest of the team.  Kind of reminded me of when Trey Yocum came to town and threw up a 44 yard day....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 25, 2016, 11:05:00 PM
Perhaps the first and last time Valdivia and Yocum are ever mentioned in the same conversation. Well played, F-Dad!  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
So, is it again Monmouth versus St Norbert for the title?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 28, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
So, is it again Monmouth versus St Norbert for the title?

I would like to see how Lake Forest games versus SNC and Mac play out.  SNC lost their two non-conference games against quality opponents then trounced Knox.  Not exactly a great indicator of their strength.  Meanwhile, Mac has their QB situation figured out and has Lake Forest as their toughest game before SNC the last week of the year.  They somehow miss out on playing Monmouth (who should be considered the favorite) for the third year in a row so that last week of the season should be interesting as we may be looking at a tiebreaker
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
So, is it again Monmouth versus St Norbert for the title?

I will consider that question after the next five weeks...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on September 29, 2016, 06:41:48 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on September 28, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
So, is it again Monmouth versus St Norbert for the title?

I would like to see how Lake Forest games versus SNC and Mac play out.  SNC lost their two non-conference games against quality opponents then trounced Knox.  Not exactly a great indicator of their strength.  Meanwhile, Mac has their QB situation figured out and has Lake Forest as their toughest game before SNC the last week of the year.  They somehow miss out on playing Monmouth (who should be considered the favorite) for the third year in a row so that last week of the season should be interesting as we may be looking at a tiebreaker

scottyeagle,

How have you been?  What are you up to these days?

Have you been studying to become a psychic?  We shall see in the weeks to come.  Mac still has a lot of work to do...Ripon this week will be a good measuring stick for the Scots!

So you are saying it could come down to a Scots tiebreaker?  I like where your head is at.

#Unfinished Business
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on September 29, 2016, 08:32:40 AM
The winner gets to play Kimberly High School.  They play at the Banta Bowl Friday night.  They would win the MWC.  :o
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 29, 2016, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on September 29, 2016, 06:41:48 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on September 28, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 28, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
So, is it again Monmouth versus St Norbert for the title?

I would like to see how Lake Forest games versus SNC and Mac play out.  SNC lost their two non-conference games against quality opponents then trounced Knox.  Not exactly a great indicator of their strength.  Meanwhile, Mac has their QB situation figured out and has Lake Forest as their toughest game before SNC the last week of the year.  They somehow miss out on playing Monmouth (who should be considered the favorite) for the third year in a row so that last week of the season should be interesting as we may be looking at a tiebreaker

scottyeagle,

How have you been?  What are you up to these days?

Have you been studying to become a psychic?  We shall see in the weeks to come.  Mac still has a lot of work to do...Ripon this week will be a good measuring stick for the Scots!

So you are saying it could come down to a Scots tiebreaker?  I like where your head is at.

#Unfinished Business

I'm doing well, but definitely not training to become a psychic.  Ripon should be an interesting contest (especially given how poorly Mac played against them last year) but I was really just thinking in terms of common opponents to see where the Scots stack up against SNC.  I wouldn't say I'm predicting an all-Scots tiebreaker; that's more of a hope than anything, but the schedule seems favorable to that.  Obviously, we will see how it all plays out
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2016, 11:39:30 AM
We're not last! We're not last!

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016/re-ranking-the-conferences-for-2016
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 29, 2016, 03:38:29 PM
Woof. What does that ranking say about the state of football below the MWC? I love our schools (most are ACM also) but there is some might unpretty football.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2016, 08:21:05 PM
Dear MWC: You're welcome for the "big pelt."   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 01, 2016, 02:12:01 PM
anyone else having problems with the Lake Forest/SNC feed?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2016, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 01, 2016, 02:12:01 PM
anyone else having problems with the Lake Forest/SNC feed?

Hee Hee Hee!  😉
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2016, 02:30:05 PM
Happy HC, Mav!  Thanks in advance for any updates this afternoon.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2016, 02:32:05 PM
Took a few minutes but now it works.

SNC taking advantage of Lake Forest miscues. Turning an interception into a touchdown. Turning a failed fourth-down conversion into a touchdown. Forcing a fumble at the 15 yard line and threatening to score again.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2016, 02:35:30 PM
And SNC does convert. Now 21-0. I believe 1;41 left in the first.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
SNC forces a punt. Gets 56 yard TD on first play. 28-0.

Time of possession is 10:18 for LFC and 4:51 for SNC. Most misleading stat of the day so far.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2016, 02:46:46 PM
Nice 98 yard TD return of the ensuing kickoff for LFC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 01, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 57, Cornell 14

Happy Homecoming Scots!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2016, 06:18:52 PM
Final
Lake Forest 21
SNC 35

Final
Macalester 16
Ripon 8

Final
Beloit 22
Lawrence 36

Final
Cornell 14
Monmouth 57

Final
Grinnell 14
IC 50

Overall, a good day for home teams
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 07, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Odd factoid I just read in the Lawrence preview for this week: next football win will be number 500 in program history. Considering how wins have been piling up at the rate of one or two a year in the last quarter century I may well have witnessed number 450 when I was a student in the 1980s.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 07, 2016, 11:56:47 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 07, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Odd factoid I just read in the Lawrence preview for this week: next football win will be number 500 in program history. Considering how wins have been piling up at the rate of one or two a year in the last quarter century I may well have witnessed number 450 when I was a student in the 1980s.

By comparison:
Monmouth 551-469-40
Ripon - 542-361-46
Cornell - 507-477-33
Illinois College - 451 488 36
Beloit - 422 - 535 - 46
SNC - 420-277-20
Grinnell- 411-575-33
Knox - 401 575 45





Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 09, 2016, 12:06:04 PM
three undefeated remain

Macalester 4-0
Monmouth 3-0
SNC 3-0

And one one-loss team
Illinois 3-1

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 10, 2016, 05:40:18 PM
The Good Guys have a Bye week and this board goes to sleep!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 10, 2016, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 10, 2016, 05:40:18 PM
The Good Guys have a Bye week and this board goes to sleep!

There was such a compelling set of games to go with your bye week!  Nothing like Knox vs. Grinnell!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on October 11, 2016, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on October 10, 2016, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 10, 2016, 05:40:18 PM
The Good Guys have a Bye week and this board goes to sleep!

There was such a compelling set of games to go with your bye week!  Nothing like Knox vs. Grinnell!

Can't find tickets on Stub Hub.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2016, 04:42:33 PM
Lake Forest took care of business at Ripon even though the mighty Pat picked them to lose.  How could they do that without his blessing?  Valdivia ran for 125 and had 4 TD's.  Not a bad day.  I missed the game cuz we were camping and had no service. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2016, 09:15:43 PM
Nobody ever said picking upsets was easy!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 14, 2016, 11:24:18 AM
Is it me or does Ripon seem to be playing less well this season? I have not watched them, it just seems they have not had the same success as recent seasons.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 15, 2016, 04:18:38 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 63, Grinnell 0

Scots did what they were supposed to do here, not much else to be said about this one.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 15, 2016, 06:23:46 PM
With Mac's loss today, looks like the Monmouth/Saint Norbert game will decide our champion.  Barring some pretty big upsets, that is
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2016, 07:47:28 PM
Lake Forest with a quality win today.  Valdivia with almost 300 yards and 4 TD day to continue to lead D3 in Touchdowns scored! 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
SNC beat LU 62-0 tonight in Appleton.

LU turned it over inside their own 15 twice on kicks/punts. SNC had two long TD plays. And LU just couldn't get anything going offensively for most of the game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 17, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
SNC beat LU 62-0 tonight in Appleton.

LU turned it over inside their own 15 twice on kicks/punts. SNC had two long TD plays. And LU just couldn't get anything going offensively for most of the game.

This is the most diplomatic description of a complete butt kicking I may have ever read. LU's high point was a blocked PAT.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 18, 2016, 10:00:25 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 17, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
SNC beat LU 62-0 tonight in Appleton.

LU turned it over inside their own 15 twice on kicks/punts. SNC had two long TD plays. And LU just couldn't get anything going offensively for most of the game.

This is the most diplomatic description of a complete butt kicking I may have ever read. LU's high point was a blocked PAT.

Funny...

Yeah, LU had as many first downs by passing (3) as they did by SNC penalties. And, yeah, the play clock SNC was using didn't work for most of the second quarter... but no need to dwell on those things...

LU has a larger squad than in recent years, which is good. They did OK running the ball. But no big plays - and SNC had multiple. Hard to say it wasn't as lopsided as the score, but the 70-7 game a few years (or whatever that final was) seemed a lot worse than this...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 18, 2016, 05:16:48 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 18, 2016, 10:00:25 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 17, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2016, 09:53:53 PM
SNC beat LU 62-0 tonight in Appleton.

LU turned it over inside their own 15 twice on kicks/punts. SNC had two long TD plays. And LU just couldn't get anything going offensively for most of the game.

This is the most diplomatic description of a complete butt kicking I may have ever read. LU's high point was a blocked PAT.

Funny...

Yeah, LU had as many first downs by passing (3) as they did by SNC penalties. And, yeah, the play clock SNC was using didn't work for most of the second quarter... but no need to dwell on those things...

LU has a larger squad than in recent years, which is good. They did OK running the ball. But no big plays - and SNC had multiple. Hard to say it wasn't as lopsided as the score, but the 70-7 game a few years (or whatever that final was) seemed a lot worse than this...

Please allow me, then, to add my congratulations to Grinnell on a hard fought game.  I wasn't at the game to see their highlights, but I'm sure there were plenty.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 22, 2016, 04:35:00 PM
Ripon scored first. SNC scored the next 48.

Final
SNC 48
Ripon 7
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 22, 2016, 05:35:30 PM
MC 49 - IC 0.  At Half.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 23, 2016, 07:00:25 AM
Crazy ending in Lake Forest yesterday.  Lake Forest lead most of the game.  Then Lawrence came back and scored the game winning TD with less than a minute left.  Lake Forest started the last 40 seconds with the ball on their own 30.  They went 70 yards in 3 plays and Valdivia ran it in for the game winning TD.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on October 23, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
I could have gone to the IC game yesterday, but instead went to a more local high school game.  Glad I did!  Yikes...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 23, 2016, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 23, 2016, 07:00:25 AM
Crazy ending in Lake Forest yesterday.  Lake Forest lead most of the game.  Then Lawrence came back and scored the game winning TD with less than a minute left.  Lake Forest started the last 40 seconds with the ball on their own 30.  They went 70 yards in 3 plays and Valdivia ran it in for the game winning TD.

Way to hang on and get the W against.....Lawrence.  Sounds like you'll be holding on for dear life against Knox and Grinnell to close out the season.  :o
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 24, 2016, 08:42:37 AM
Scottie, I think Lawrence is better this year than we are used to seeing. They are not "good" yet, I grant that. I just think they are better than we have seen the last ten years or so. I'm interested to see them finish the season.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 24, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Scottie,

When my son got to Lake Forest in 2011, his first year they had 61 players show up at camp and went 3-7.  3-7 was better than the 3 prior years!.  The next three years they went 8-2, 8-2, 4-6.  Roster in the 100 area.  Respectable considering their history.  Another 4-6 year last year and now back up to 6-2 so far this year.  So would I expect a couple close games here and there? Yup.  Do I think they are on the right track?  Yup.  Sophomore QB starting to play with more confidence, young players getting reps on Defense.  Recruiting much better than past. 

Guess we'll just see how they do in the future....

 

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 25, 2016, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 24, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Scottie,

When my son got to Lake Forest in 2011, his first year they had 61 players show up at camp and went 3-7.  3-7 was better than the 3 prior years!.  The next three years they went 8-2, 8-2, 4-6.  Roster in the 100 area.  Respectable considering their history.  Another 4-6 year last year and now back up to 6-2 so far this year.  So would I expect a couple close games here and there? Yup.  Do I think they are on the right track?  Yup.  Sophomore QB starting to play with more confidence, young players getting reps on Defense.  Recruiting much better than past. 

Guess we'll just see how they do in the future....



Valdivia leaving after this year will obviously hurt a lot.  Mac is still trying to figure out how to replace Bialostok. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on October 28, 2016, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on October 25, 2016, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 24, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Scottie,

When my son got to Lake Forest in 2011, his first year they had 61 players show up at camp and went 3-7.  3-7 was better than the 3 prior years!.  The next three years they went 8-2, 8-2, 4-6.  Roster in the 100 area.  Respectable considering their history.  Another 4-6 year last year and now back up to 6-2 so far this year.  So would I expect a couple close games here and there? Yup.  Do I think they are on the right track?  Yup.  Sophomore QB starting to play with more confidence, young players getting reps on Defense.  Recruiting much better than past. 

Guess we'll just see how they do in the future....



Valdivia leaving after this year will obviously hurt a lot.  Mac is still trying to figure out how to replace Bialostok.

Valdivia may not leave after this year.  Sounds like he has one more year of eligibility left.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 28, 2016, 03:21:30 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2016, 02:32:58 PM
SNC has two blocked punts and two interceptions in the first quarter. 21-0 green knights over blue boys
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 29, 2016, 02:44:05 PM
Lake Forest up 27-3 just a couple into the second.  Valdivia already has 110 yards and 4 touchdowns.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2016, 05:30:50 PM
SNC wins 56-20
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2016, 08:00:32 AM
Valdivia finishes with 200+ yards and 6 touchdowns.  Should be the Offensive POTY....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2016, 09:26:12 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2016, 08:00:32 AM
Valdivia finishes with 200+ yards and 6 touchdowns.  Should be the Offensive POTY....

I'll give this some consideration.   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2016, 10:32:27 AM
Let me give you some numbers to think about then Scottie.....

After 9 games,

1422 yards
158.0 Avg yards per game
7.3 Avg yards per carry
27 Touchdowns

Still got a game to go....

-
-
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2016, 10:33:18 AM
And pretty much ignored by our region writer, lol.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2016, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2016, 10:33:18 AM
And pretty much ignored by our region writer, lol.

Lead of a whole column. Give me a break, fulbakdad.
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2016/lake-forest-joey-valdivia-healthy
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 30, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2016, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2016, 10:33:18 AM
And pretty much ignored by our region writer, lol.

Lead of a whole column. Give me a break, fulbakdad.
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2016/lake-forest-joey-valdivia-healthy

Darn it PC, you beat me to it!  I'd like to propose a weekly column entitled "Around the Lake Forest program" so f-dad will be content with the right amount of coverage.  :P
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2016, 05:02:16 PM
Maybe the conference GOTW should be LFC/Grinnell instead of SNC/Monmouth???
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 30, 2016, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 30, 2016, 05:02:16 PM
Maybe the conference GOTW should be LFC/Grinnell instead of SNC/Monmouth???

That's a no-doubter. How many yards and TD's Valdivia picks up is a much larger and more important story to track this weekend as opposed to the MWC championship and playoff bid that's on the line between those other 2 teams. ;)  I'm all in for it!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2016, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 30, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2016, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2016, 10:33:18 AM
And pretty much ignored by our region writer, lol.

Lead of a whole column. Give me a break, fulbakdad.
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/midwest/2016/lake-forest-joey-valdivia-healthy

Darn it PC, you beat me to it!  I'd like to propose a weekly column entitled "Around the Lake Forest program" so f-dad will be content with the right amount of coverage.  :P

No need to call him names. :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2016, 06:56:44 AM
lol, I totally missed that one!  My bad!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2016, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 31, 2016, 06:56:44 AM
lol, I totally missed that one!  My bad!

I think the term is "pretty much ignored," but either way. :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 31, 2016, 06:30:43 PM
#XXV
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on November 03, 2016, 11:56:10 AM
Monmouth 7th in Regional Rankings. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2016, 06:27:48 PM
No posts about the upcoming GOW?   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2016, 09:58:03 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 04, 2016, 06:27:48 PM
No posts about the upcoming GOW?   ??? ??? ???

Well, Lawrence plays Knox - and has a good shot at getting a third conference win for the first time since 2007 (IIRC). Things are looking up a bit for the Vikings. The revamped stadium is nice and maybe this coaching crew can make them competitive...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 05, 2016, 02:14:27 PM
Thanks, fan.  May the lesser team lose.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 05, 2016, 04:55:24 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 38, St. Norbert 14

Great day to be a Scot!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
Well done, MC.

Let's hope the undefeated team gets a good tourney draw and doesn't have to lose to a purple power in the first round
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2016, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
Well done, MC.

Let's hope the undefeated team gets a good tourney draw and doesn't have to lose to a purple power in the first round

Thanks puck.  First things first, gotta stay focused and take care of business this weekend against Knox to make sure they finish at 10-0.  After that, I'm hoping that Northwestern (UMAC champ) gets sent to St. Thomas and Lakeland/Aurora/Benedictine (NACC champ) gets sent to UW-Whitewater so the Scots could avoid either of them in the first round. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 07, 2016, 09:40:19 AM
Could Monmouth be sent to play IIAC champ? Travel would make sense to have WW host the NAAC and MIAC host UMAC, right?

Coe v Monmouth would be an old MWC matchup.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 07, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 07, 2016, 09:40:19 AM
Could Monmouth be sent to play IIAC champ? Travel would make sense to have WW host the NAAC and MIAC host UMAC, right?

Coe v Monmouth would be an old MWC matchup.

Could be a possibility.  Still have to figure in UW-Oshkosh and St. John's as at-large selections, plus North Central (CCIW champ) and Wheaton (likely at-large pick) in the playoff picture as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2016, 08:09:25 PM
XXIV
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 12, 2016, 05:12:10 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 57, Knox 9

MWC Champs! Roll Scots!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 13, 2016, 06:50:33 AM
Congrats to Monmouth.  Go win a couple in the playoffs....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 13, 2016, 07:04:10 PM
F-Dad, I think your account has been hacked!!!  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 13, 2016, 08:40:41 PM
Only logical explanation scottie! ;D

Monmouth heading to Coe in the first round for an old school MWC match-up. Looking for some good talk this week.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 14, 2016, 10:28:50 AM
A few Monmouth wins would help the MWC's long-held reputation.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 15, 2016, 10:14:11 AM
Here I am being a team player and you guys still jump on me....

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 15, 2016, 04:44:32 PM
Too lazy to look up this answer. When did Coe and Monmouth last play each other? Coe left the MWC in 1997 (looked that up) and, as I understand it, has not fared as well in the IIAC as they had in MWC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2016, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 15, 2016, 04:44:32 PM
Too lazy to look up this answer. When did Coe and Monmouth last play each other? Coe left the MWC in 1997 (looked that up) and, as I understand it, has not fared as well in the IIAC as they had in MWC.

last game 2013
last Mon win was 1988

10 straight wins for coe
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 15, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2016, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 15, 2016, 04:44:32 PM
Too lazy to look up this answer. When did Coe and Monmouth last play each other? Coe left the MWC in 1997 (looked that up) and, as I understand it, has not fared as well in the IIAC as they had in MWC.

last game 2013
last Mon win was 1988

10 straight wins for coe

Coe hasn't fared as well in the IIAC as what they did in the MWC, but they've been at least middle of the pack each year in the IIAC and have had some good conference championship teams since making the switch--qualified for the playoffs 5 times since 1998.

Monmouth and Coe had not played each other since the 1997 game until they had a 2-year non-conference series to open up the 2012 and 2013 seasons.  Coe won 33-3 at home in 2012 and won 23-22 on the road in 2013.  I was at the 2013 game, very balanced match-up between the teams...I would expect to see a similar game on Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Rollscots89 on November 17, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
Heyes guys I'm a Scot living in Cedar Rapids. If anyone is making the trip and has questions about the area let me know. (My roomate is a former kohawk too so I know my way around)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2016, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: Rollscots89 on November 17, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
Heyes guys I'm a Scot living in Cedar Rapids. If anyone is making the trip and has questions about the area let me know. (My roomate is a former kohawk too so I know my way around)

Welcome to the board! Do you and your roommate have any kind of friendly wager going?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 17, 2016, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2016, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: Rollscots89 on November 17, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
Heyes guys I'm a Scot living in Cedar Rapids. If anyone is making the trip and has questions about the area let me know. (My roomate is a former kohawk too so I know my way around)

Welcome to the board! Do you and your roommate have any kind of friendly wager going?

Or how about an unfriendly wager?  :o
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Rollscots89 on November 17, 2016, 03:25:08 PM
There's been quite a bit of talking going on since Sunday so I'm not quite sure if it will qualify as a friendly wager
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fightingscots13 on November 18, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
Quote from: Rollscots89 on November 17, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
Heyes guys I'm a Scot living in Cedar Rapids. If anyone is making the trip and has questions about the area let me know. (My roomate is a former kohawk too so I know my way around)

How about a tailgate area?  Didn't get much from the IIAC board - is there a designated spot?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2016, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: fightingscots13 on November 18, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
Quote from: Rollscots89 on November 17, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
Heyes guys I'm a Scot living in Cedar Rapids. If anyone is making the trip and has questions about the area let me know. (My roomate is a former kohawk too so I know my way around)

How about a tailgate area?  Didn't get much from the IIAC board - is there a designated spot?

I read somewhere about a grass lot to the south of the stadium being a tailgate spot. Not sure how accurate that is. Maybe Rollscots can shed more light on the subject...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Rollscots89 on November 18, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
there isn't really an opposing team tailgate area, there is a small area that coe fans tailgate in but it fills up early. the stadium is kind of tucked away on campus and there's not much parking in general. there are a few bars in walking distance that open up early on Saturday. but in general they don't tailgate like Monmouth does.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 19, 2016, 02:51:46 PM
STOP TURNING THE BALL OVER!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 19, 2016, 04:03:56 PM
Who was doing the color commentary for the Coe - Monmouth game?  He was sooo bad!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 24, 2016, 06:21:02 AM
Happy Thanksgiving everybody.  Even SNC fans!

Be thankful for everybody around you today!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 24, 2016, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 24, 2016, 06:21:02 AM
Happy Thanksgiving everybody.  Even SNC fans!

Be thankful for everybody around you today!

Wow... didn't realize we were so bad that we'd get a special note  ;)

Happy Thanksgiving, all...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on December 07, 2016, 06:24:08 AM
3 first team All West Conference.  Outstanding.  What's even better, 2 of the 3 return for next year!  Congrats to Alex Pasiewicz, Joey Valdivia, and RJ Pompey!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on January 20, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
SNC FB post about new uniforms:

https://www.facebook.com/SNCfootball/?fref=ts

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 08, 2017, 01:21:47 PM
Ripon College deal for jerseys - debut at football this fall

http://www.ripon.edu/2017/03/05/ripon-enters-uniform-deal-with-local-custom-apparel-company/

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 08, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
No photos  ???

It's always a positive when the college and community businesses can support one another. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 09, 2017, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 08, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
No photos  ???


I don't think they are that far yet, but yeah, would have been nice.

Wonder if a throwback Redmen is in the offing?  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on March 12, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
Monmouth College junior RB Austin Ray passed away yesterday in a motorcycle accident. Please keep his family and the Fighting Scots football program in your thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on March 13, 2017, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: Maverick on March 12, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
Monmouth College junior RB Austin Ray passed away yesterday in a motorcycle accident. Please keep his family and the Fighting Scots football program in your thoughts and prayers.

Horrible news. My sympathies.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on March 13, 2017, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: Maverick on March 12, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
Monmouth College junior RB Austin Ray passed away yesterday in a motorcycle accident. Please keep his family and the Fighting Scots football program in your thoughts and prayers.

Horrible news. My sympathies.

Mine as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 15, 2017, 04:48:17 PM
Tough one.  Thoughts and prayers from LFC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on May 26, 2017, 08:33:45 PM
SNC picks up a transfer
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/stnorbert/2017/05/26/former-preble-star-daniels-transfers-st-norbert/102204254/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on June 14, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.

North

Team   Rating   Overall   Conference   Division   
St. Norbert      0.7749   7.6-1.4   6.6-0.4   4.6-0.4   
Chicago      0.5428   5.7-3.3   5.2-1.8   3.8-1.2   
Macalester      0.2587   3.7-5.3   2.9-4.1   2.6-2.4   
Ripon         0.2184   4.5-4.5   3.7-3.3   2.0-3.0   
Beloit         0.0842   2.5-6.5   1.9-5.1   1.4-3.6   
Lawrence      0.0289   1.2-6.8   0.7-6.3   0.6-4.4   

South

Team   Rating   Overall   Conference   Division   
Monmouth      0.9383   8.4-0.6   6.9-0.1   4.9-0.1   
Lake Forest      0.3897   6.3-2.7   4.7-2.3   3.1-1.9   
Illinois College   0.3482   4.7-4.3   4.4-2.6   3.2-1.8   
Cornell         0.2016   4.1-4.9   3.2-3.8   2.3-2.7   
Knox         0.0633   2.6-6.4   1.7-5.3   1.4-3.6   
Grinnell         0.0023   0.1-7.9   0.1-6.9   0.1-4.9   

If I were a betting man (and there were conference champ odds in Vegas for DIII), I would put more money on Monmouth winning their conference than any other team in the country. They were the best MWC team since 1998 (ever?) last season (yes, even better than when Tanney was there, he never beat Wartburg, remember). If Chicago beats SNC to make the title game, their odds are even better.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on June 26, 2017, 04:57:15 PM
Think their are a few transfers coming into some of these colleges this year that people aren't aware of. So the South might be tougher than one would think. Excited to see Chicago land D3 football this year, and everyone seems so polite on this blog.
:o
"SOME PEOPLE THINK FOOTBALL IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH. I ASSURE YOU, IT'S MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT"
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2017, 05:22:10 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on June 26, 2017, 04:57:15 PM
Think their are a few transfers coming into some of these colleges this year that people aren't aware of. So the South might be tougher than one would think. Excited to see Chicago land D3 football this year, and everyone seems so polite on this blog.
:o
"SOME PEOPLE THINK FOOTBALL IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH. I ASSURE YOU, IT'S MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT"

Guessing we know who the dad of one of those transfers is. :)

Welcome to the message board!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on June 26, 2017, 05:27:11 PM
LoL, been a long journey here but thank you sir.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on June 28, 2017, 07:08:26 AM
Someone say Dad?  It woke me up!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 23, 2017, 06:48:40 AM
Camps start in a couple weeks and you guys are all still on your winter hibernations! 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 23, 2017, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 23, 2017, 06:48:40 AM
Camps start in a couple weeks and you guys are all still on your winter hibernations!

I've been having a fun couple of weeks. I'm writing the Midwest Conference team previews for Kickoff this year and have talked to half of the conference coaches already.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on July 23, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
Does the MIDWEST CONFERENCE have any pre-season all Americans, and if so who and what positions?
Thank you
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on July 24, 2017, 09:26:31 AM
If there are any I would think they are on the Monmouth, St. Norbert, or Chicago rosters. Lake Forest, maybe?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
We are hoping to release ours later this week, but there will be a Midwest Conference player on it, from the looks of our short list.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on July 24, 2017, 01:32:37 PM
Joey Valdivia, Running back from Lake Forest should be.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on July 24, 2017, 01:32:37 PM
Joey Valdivia, Running back from Lake Forest should be.

Yes. We know he's returning.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on July 29, 2017, 01:57:41 PM
Pat, who do you think is coming in with the best DL in the league, or front 7 from last year?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2017, 11:32:00 PM
I haven't talked to all 12 teams yet -- but in fairness, even once I have, I'll be saving that insight for Kickoff subscribers first and foremost. :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on July 29, 2017, 11:58:10 PM
I'll be looking forward to getting my copy late August. Thank you
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 01, 2017, 10:48:56 PM
http://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/4185/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 02, 2017, 08:52:58 AM
Valdivia, Lake Forest, chosen first team pre season All American RB.  Should have a good year.  Veteran O line returning, QB with added confidence entering his Junior year.  Looking forward to watching him.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 04, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
Everyone always wants to talk about the sexy part of football being the Offense; however it's the defense that wins the championship. After watching ON DEMAND some of the LF games, they scored a lot but couldn't stop the run, so I hope Joey has a good front 7 to give him the chance to be on the field more.
Monmouth seemed to have the best front 7 last year with attitude and desire to get to ball, look forward to see that match up this year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 05, 2017, 07:03:48 AM
I think you will see that Offense wins Midwest Conference Championships.  Been that way for a while.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 05, 2017, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 05, 2017, 07:03:48 AM
I think you will see that Offense wins Midwest Conference Championships.  Been that way for a while.

Can you expand on that for me please? I'm new to this conference but not to football; great teams have great Defenses.
thank you
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on August 05, 2017, 10:42:39 PM
I'm a MWC outsider, but having  seen Monmouth a few times over the past few years, I would say they play both good O and D.  Maybe isn't up to to playoff caliber, but they are great to watch.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 06, 2017, 06:19:01 AM
If you look back at the year end stats, you'll see that there were a couple of champions that led in points against, but others that were actually up there (Monmouth for example in 2011 283 PA).  In 14, Monmouth led the league in PA, and played in the 3/4 place game.  In 13, Lake Forest led the league in PA, ended up 3rd.  Stats are always slanted too.  PA can be low because a great Offense is on the field so long.  the 13 Lake Forest Defense was on the field all the time and still had the lowest PA in 13, look at the anemic PF that year, which actually made them a great defense.  Some of the teams that won the championships that had low PA had crazy high PF the same year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 06, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 06, 2017, 06:19:01 AM
If you look back at the year end stats, you'll see that there were a couple of champions that led in points against, but others that were actually up there (Monmouth for example in 2011 283 PA).  In 14, Monmouth led the league in PA, and played in the 3/4 place game.  In 13, Lake Forest led the league in PA, ended up 3rd.  Stats are always slanted too.  PA can be low because a great Offense is on the field so long.  the 13 Lake Forest Defense was on the field all the time and still had the lowest PA in 13, look at the anemic PF that year, which actually made them a great defense.  Some of the teams that won the championships that had low PA had crazy high PF the same year.

Thanks for the breakdown Fulbakdad; however PA is just one factor in stats for Defense. A physical Defense stats which shows up in 3rd down conversions, forced fumbles, Sacks, points scored just to say few is really what you would consider for dominate D. I'm hoping to see some physical D3 football this year in the conference. I know I will out of one player that is a rollback due to injury and very angry LoL.
Thanks again for engaging Fulbakdad.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 07, 2017, 02:02:02 PM
Stop the presses, I am going to agree with fullbakdad! Recently the MWC has been pretty much geared toward offense. IC, SNC, Monmouth have all been able to move the ball a bit. Defenses have struggled to keep up the last decade or more. MWC has not been able to compete in the postseason for a long time. Something about top students not being as good at football compared to some of factories in the region, I suspect. I have watched a few games where even Lawrence has put up gobs of points, and as much as this hurts to say, Lawrence has been pretty darned bad for a long time (say 25 years).

I am interested to see what Chicago does this first year back. I am also disappointed I won't get to see Mr. Valdivia play at Lawrence. I will be out of state that weekend.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 08, 2017, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 07, 2017, 02:02:02 PM
Stop the presses, I am going to agree with fullbakdad! Recently the MWC has been pretty much geared toward offense. IC, SNC, Monmouth have all been able to move the ball a bit. Defenses have struggled to keep up the last decade or more. MWC has not been able to compete in the postseason for a long time. Something about top students not being as good at football compared to some of factories in the region, I suspect. I have watched a few games where even Lawrence has put up gobs of points, and as much as this hurts to say, Lawrence has been pretty darned bad for a long time (say 25 years).

I am interested to see what Chicago does this first year back. I am also disappointed I won't get to see Mr. Valdivia play at Lawrence. I will be out of state that weekend.

Roll those presses and stamp out some Defensive Studs on those presses LoL. Defense is a game of having a nasty mentality with a good D-scheme. Would you say that this conference is more of a run vs pass conference?
Thanks
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2017, 03:02:57 PM
I'd say the MWC is maybe slightly less of a passing conference than most. Most conferences are passing conferences these days, at least in D-III. Also, those things are pretty coincidental -- coaches might be more influenced by trends nationally but not really on a conference-by-conference level, in my observation.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 08, 2017, 04:58:23 PM
And I don't even get a plus K?

In the Forest now.  Drove out from New Hampshire to drop off son #2.  Not playing, but gonna  be involved with the team.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 09, 2017, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 08, 2017, 04:58:23 PM
And I don't even get a plus K?

In the Forest now.  Drove out from New Hampshire to drop off son #2.  Not playing, but gonna  be involved with the team.
What is the Karma points for and how does one get + or - ? That's awesome your son is at his older brother's school! So what is he going to do for LF Football team. Safe travels my Blog friend
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 09, 2017, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2017, 03:02:57 PM
I'd say the MWC is maybe slightly less of a passing conference than most. Most conferences are passing conferences these days, at least in D-III. Also, those things are pretty coincidental -- coaches might be more influenced by trends nationally but not really on a conference-by-conference level, in my observation.
Yes the spread type of Offense is very prevalent in most systems now; especially out here in the west.
Pat lets get that D3 preseason report out before the 22nd of August. Not much activity on this blog and need my dose of football for this conference LoL. Well you be breaking down the O & D for each school, or is it more of an overview of conference? 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 09, 2017, 11:13:37 AM
Which stadium in this conference is the best by environment and seating capacity? Making my 7 travel plans currently and want to see a great experience.
Thank you
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2017, 11:47:05 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 09, 2017, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2017, 03:02:57 PM
I'd say the MWC is maybe slightly less of a passing conference than most. Most conferences are passing conferences these days, at least in D-III. Also, those things are pretty coincidental -- coaches might be more influenced by trends nationally but not really on a conference-by-conference level, in my observation.
Yes the spread type of Offense is very prevalent in most systems now; especially out here in the west.
Pat lets get that D3 preseason report out before the 22nd of August. Not much activity on this blog and need my dose of football for this conference LoL. Well you be breaking down the O & D for each school, or is it more of an overview of conference?

Sorry, man -- it's 249 teams we cover so it never comes out early. It always comes out on time, though!

We look at the starters and candidates to start at each position at each school, list a breakout candidate, someone who needs to step up, a key position battle ... then a predicted record and order of finish.

We try to make each preview as complete as possible. One MWC coach might have been a little less than forthcoming but I do what I can. (Out of 12, I guess maybe there's going to be one, right?) And since the last couple of years, I felt like we got incomplete reports on this conference, that's why I took over the MWC reporting for Kickoff.

Enough of the sales pitch! But for those who haven't subscribed yet:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2017/08/order-kickoff-2017-now
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 10, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2017, 11:47:05 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 09, 2017, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2017, 03:02:57 PM
I'd say the MWC is maybe slightly less of a passing conference than most. Most conferences are passing conferences these days, at least in D-III. Also, those things are pretty coincidental -- coaches might be more influenced by trends nationally but not really on a conference-by-conference level, in my observation.
Yes the spread type of Offense is very prevalent in most systems now; especially out here in the west.
Pat lets get that D3 preseason report out before the 22nd of August. Not much activity on this blog and need my dose of football for this conference LoL. Well you be breaking down the O & D for each school, or is it more of an overview of conference?

Sorry, man -- it's 249 teams we cover so it never comes out early. It always comes out on time, though!

We look at the starters and candidates to start at each position at each school, list a breakout candidate, someone who needs to step up, a key position battle ... then a predicted record and order of finish.

We try to make each preview as complete as possible. One MWC coach might have been a little less than forthcoming but I do what I can. (Out of 12, I guess maybe there's going to be one, right?) And since the last couple of years, I felt like we got incomplete reports on this conference, that's why I took over the MWC reporting for Kickoff.

Enough of the sales pitch! But for those who haven't subscribed yet:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2017/08/order-kickoff-2017-now
I look forward to reading your comprehensive break down of all teams, and yes coaches can be sneaky :o. Coming from a D1 program it's all cloak & Dagger. It will be interesting to see which transfers will be disclosed especially in those non-sexy positions that really can dictate a games pace. Well I only have 12 days to receive it which will be good since this blog doesn't seem to be very active like the other conference blogs.
Thank you sir
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 10, 2017, 02:10:38 PM
Oooh, Pat is working on the MWC? I like it!

fullbakdad, I owe you the +, I'm just not allowed yet.

Others can comment more broadly on the conference than I. I would observe the Ripon runs a wishbone option, Lawrence the Fly, Beloit likes to run (think goodness Mason Dixon is done-may have crossed a thousand yards against LU alone). SNC is pro-style and adapts to its personnel. I have not seen Monmouth in a while but they always have talent. Lake Forest has an All-American RB so the run is important. Illinois tosses it a lot. Macalester a bit.

As for stadiums, welcome to D3. I'm biased but I like Lawrence's Banta Bowl. I will like it more when they replace the current press box (built in 1965 and simply awful right now).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 10, 2017, 10:35:24 PM
New turf down on Farwell Field at Lake Forest.  Field was the Bears practixe field for years.

Son #2 will be doing anything the coach asks.  We make good Marines!  Lol
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 10, 2017, 02:10:38 PM
Oooh, Pat is working on the MWC? I like it!

fullbakdad, I owe you the +, I'm just not allowed yet.

Others can comment more broadly on the conference than I. I would observe the Ripon runs a wishbone option, Lawrence the Fly, Beloit likes to run (think goodness Mason Dixon is done-may have crossed a thousand yards against LU alone). SNC is pro-style and adapts to its personnel. I have not seen Monmouth in a while but they always have talent. Lake Forest has an All-American RB so the run is important. Illinois tosses it a lot. Macalester a bit.

As for stadiums, welcome to D3. I'm biased but I like Lawrence's Banta Bowl. I will like it more when they replace the current press box (built in 1965 and simply awful right now).
That's what I'm talking about, thank you for the breakdown sir. I was looking at going to the Lawrence game @ Lawrence for 1 of 3 out of town games. Hows the pregame environment at Lawrence? 
Thanks for engaging
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 11, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Pregame at LU? Meh. Parking is limited (I strongly advise you park in the city pool lot across the street that would John Street, first left after you leave the College Ave roundabout). Since Lawrence has been so bad for so long crowds are not big. Football parents usually have a tailgate. The LU Club of the Fox Cities holds one from time to time. Concession stand starts early. $5 admission at the gate.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 11, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
Astro, you are obviously the parent of an incoming D lineman.  You said you were watching prior games.  If you want to see one of the better defensive games, if you get a chance stream the Lake Forest-Monmouth game October 19th, 2013.

You had a stud running back, Trey Yocum who was stuffed the entire game.  The Lake Forest Defense that year was very good.  And yes, before you ask, my son was on it.. lol

Hey, where is Scotty?????
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 12:12:58 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 11, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
Astro, you are obviously the parent of an incoming D lineman.  You said you were watching prior games.  If you want to see one of the better defensive games, if you get a chance stream the Lake Forest-Monmouth game October 19th, 2013.

You had a stud running back, Trey Yocum who was stuffed the entire game.  The Lake Forest Defense that year was very good.  And yes, before you ask, my son was on it.. lol

Hey, where is Scotty?????
Always much love to the DL Dirt Dawgs which I also coach. I will watched that game for sure my friend. I did watch last years LF vs Monmouth game, can anyone say "plug the hole", "control your gap" wasn't pretty and if LF had controlled 1-3 gap it would have been a different game with LF offense. But Monmouth controlled both sides of the scrimmage and the game. You'll notice my boy at 6' 295 muscled up and fast, I'm excited for this adventure with him.
Thanks for engaging
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 11, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Pregame at LU? Meh. Parking is limited (I strongly advise you park in the city pool lot across the street that would John Street, first left after you leave the College Ave roundabout). Since Lawrence has been so bad for so long crowds are not big. Football parents usually have a tailgate. The LU Club of the Fox Cities holds one from time to time. Concession stand starts early. $5 admission at the gate.
Thank you sir, I think I'll go see that game. Have you been to the Cornell in Mt. Vernon IA.?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 11, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 11, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Pregame at LU? Meh. Parking is limited (I strongly advise you park in the city pool lot across the street that would John Street, first left after you leave the College Ave roundabout). Since Lawrence has been so bad for so long crowds are not big. Football parents usually have a tailgate. The LU Club of the Fox Cities holds one from time to time. Concession stand starts early. $5 admission at the gate.
Thank you sir, I think I'll go see that game. Have you been to the Cornell in Mt. Vernon IA.?

Tiny campus, tiny old-timey stadium -- WPA type time frame. I was there for a season opener vs. Coe, their archrival, a few years ago, and it was a night game so the atmosphere was probably as good as it would get. And it was alright, but I don't have any parking or tailgate recommendations because I was working.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 11, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 11, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Pregame at LU? Meh. Parking is limited (I strongly advise you park in the city pool lot across the street that would John Street, first left after you leave the College Ave roundabout). Since Lawrence has been so bad for so long crowds are not big. Football parents usually have a tailgate. The LU Club of the Fox Cities holds one from time to time. Concession stand starts early. $5 admission at the gate.
Thank you sir, I think I'll go see that game. Have you been to the Cornell in Mt. Vernon IA.?

Tiny campus, tiny old-timey stadium -- WPA type time frame. I was there for a season opener vs. Coe, their archrival, a few years ago, and it was a night game so the atmosphere was probably as good as it would get. And it was alright, but I don't have any parking or tailgate recommendations because I was working.
Thanks Pat, and I remember my days playing games in Iowa very cold with no wind breaks LoL. Son almost transferred to COE but loved the coach where he's at now, and it about his happiness. 
COE is a DL factory
Thank you
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 11, 2017, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Thank you sir, I think I'll go see that game. Have you been to the Cornell in Mt. Vernon IA.?

You can park right up against the stadium fence at Cornell.  If it's a day game you'll get used to the train rumbling behind you.  Not much for concessions there, but I haven't been there since the 2011 season, so that may have changed.  Only like two porta potties if I remember correctly, so you needed to hope there wasn't a huge crowd.  If you were nice, the parents tailgate would let you in with them back in the day.  Not sure if that is still a thing.  Chameleons Pub right by campus is a little hole in the wall dive bar that serves some good food.  I recommend the blue cheese burger. You won't find a big time atmosphere, but Mt Vernon on a cool, fall day can be a scenic place to take in a game and then find some post game food.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 11, 2017, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Thank you sir, I think I'll go see that game. Have you been to the Cornell in Mt. Vernon IA.?

You can park right up against the stadium fence at Cornell.  If it's a day game you'll get used to the train rumbling behind you.  Not much for concessions there, but I haven't been there since the 2011 season, so that may have changed.  Only like two porta potties if I remember correctly, so you needed to hope there wasn't a huge crowd.  If you were nice, the parents tailgate would let you in with them back in the day.  Not sure if that is still a thing.  Chameleons Pub right by campus is a little hole in the wall dive bar that serves some good food.  I recommend the blue cheese burger. You won't find a big time atmosphere, but Mt Vernon on a cool, fall day can be a scenic place to take in a game and then find some post game food.
Good Food and Football is mandatory, it's called food-ball lol. So what's your favorite stadium atmosphere in the conference?

Thank you
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 11, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 11, 2017, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
Thank you sir, I think I'll go see that game. Have you been to the Cornell in Mt. Vernon IA.?

You can park right up against the stadium fence at Cornell.  If it's a day game you'll get used to the train rumbling behind you.  Not much for concessions there, but I haven't been there since the 2011 season, so that may have changed.  Only like two porta potties if I remember correctly, so you needed to hope there wasn't a huge crowd.  If you were nice, the parents tailgate would let you in with them back in the day.  Not sure if that is still a thing.  Chameleons Pub right by campus is a little hole in the wall dive bar that serves some good food.  I recommend the blue cheese burger. You won't find a big time atmosphere, but Mt Vernon on a cool, fall day can be a scenic place to take in a game and then find some post game food.
Good Food and Football is mandatory, it's called food-ball lol. So what's your favorite stadium atmosphere in the conference?

Thank you

I'm an Iowa Conference guy, so out of luck with me.  Where have you played in Iowa?  Curiosity an not wanting to actually work is eating at me ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 11, 2017, 04:42:21 PM
LoL, we played IWCC in baseball in 84 and one other college that I don't remember. I only remember that western Iowa was nationally ranked when we traveled there during spring ball. It was cold and windy.
The life of a Realtor who does only listings, so I'm always home answering the phone.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 14, 2017, 02:43:09 PM
Sorry if I missed the post... but coaches pick Monmouth and SNC to win the divisions...
http://www.midwestconference.org/news/2017/8/9/midwest-conference-football-preseason-coaches-poll.aspx

Lawrence and Knox not picked last! Beloit and Grinnell get those dubious marks...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 15, 2017, 08:07:06 AM
I'm looking to get the West Fan poll up and running again this year, and I have a few open spots available. Please send me a PM if you're interested in participating the season.

Thanks!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 15, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
SNC preview
http://fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-football-looks-to-fill-high-expectations
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Oleblue on August 23, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
Saw a picture of the P-Fire team picture... looks like they around 55 kids for the year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
the conference's team by team preview:
http://midwestconference.org/news/2017/8/29/football-season-preview.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
Maybe y'all knew this, but I wasn't sure. The crossover games will NOT count in the division standings.

GOOD! (IMHO)

SNC plays Grinnell & Knox, picked to finish 5/6 in the South, while Lawrence plays Lake Forest & Monmouth, picked 1/2. Doesn't seem fair to me to use those games to determine a North champion.

I asked because the MWC has done before. Back in the 80s with the two divisions, the crossovers did count:
http://static.midwestconference.org/custompages/Past%20MWC%20Seasons/Football/1988%20fb%20stats.pdf

As I said, I wasn't sure. Sorry if I had missed the boat on this previously.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 31, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 30, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
Maybe y'all knew this, but I wasn't sure. The crossover games will NOT count in the division standings.

GOOD! (IMHO)

SNC plays Grinnell & Knox, picked to finish 5/6 in the South, while Lawrence plays Lake Forest & Monmouth, picked 1/2. Doesn't seem fair to me to use those games to determine a North champion.

I asked because the MWC has done before. Back in the 80s with the two divisions, the crossovers did count:
http://static.midwestconference.org/custompages/Past%20MWC%20Seasons/Football/1988%20fb%20stats.pdf

As I said, I wasn't sure. Sorry if I had missed the boat on this previously.

I disagree with that, every game should count. This isn't club ball. Preseason polls are just that preseason and to presume that a team is bad means they will never be good. So what happens if Lawrence, Grinnell or Knox has a good team? Any Given Saturday any given team can win. If that's the case then don't schedule those teams and who will they play.
Sorry as a coach and football guy I've never heard of that before and if tie breaker comes up, then what?
Educate me sir.
Thank you
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
I'm not sure I follow. The tiebreakers are the same regardless of if the crossover games counted: head to head, and so on.

I think with such a small sample size - playing just two of the six in the other division this makes sense. It's not like every NBA eastern division team playing a home/home with every western team. North games decide the North champion.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 31, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
I totally agree on them not counting.  They are replacing the out of conference games which didn't count either.  Reason being?  Because some teams played tough opponents to get better prepared, some played cupcake teams.  And Astro, you will see, some teams have little ability to compete with the top teams.  Some teams come into the season with 100+ players on the roster.  Some in the 50's.  It's difficult to compete when towards the end of the season after injuries and such, you are just trying to field a team that doesn't lose by triple digits. 

I applaud those teams that keep going out and playing their hearts out, but it's not an even playing field.

BTW, Lake Forest was one of the cellar teams when my oldest started playing there.  There were 61 players in camp his freshman year.

Good luck to almost every MWC team tomorrow!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 31, 2017, 06:12:32 PM
This weeks picks:
Chicago over Case
SNC over Stevens
Monmouth over Hope
Grinnell over Olaf
Mac over Carleton
Concordia over Ripon (Defense wins the game for Concordia)   ;D
Presentation over Lawrence
Lake Forest over Beloit
Rose over IC
Eureka over Knox
Iowa Wes over Cornell


Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2017, 12:44:00 PM
I'm going to be at Ripon tomorrow for the first time. Looking forward to scratching another school off the list -- I have not been to Ripon previously.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2017, 12:50:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2017, 12:44:00 PM
I'm going to be at Ripon tomorrow for the first time. Looking forward to scratching another school off the list -- I have not been to Ripon previously.

Check out the new gym, too!

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2017, 01:20:17 PM
Ladies, gentlemen, f-dad...

Week 1 Picks
Beloit @ Lake Forest - LFC
Case Western Reserve @ Chicago - UC
Iowa Wesleyan @ Cornell - CC
Grinnell @ St. Olaf - SOC
Rose-Hulman @ Illinois C. - IC
Knox @ Eureka - EC
Presentation @ Lawrence - LU
Macalester @ Carleton - MC
Hope @ Monmouth - MC
Concordia-Chicago @ Ripon - CC
St. Norbert @ UW-Stevens Point - UWSP

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 01, 2017, 02:01:02 PM
Say hi to the CUC Defensive Line coach for me Pat.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2017, 05:06:10 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 27, Hope 20

Roll Scots!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 02, 2017, 06:44:00 PM
blocked EXP is the difference

final 2OT
SNC 33
UWSP 34

damn
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 03, 2017, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 31, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
I'm not sure I follow. The tiebreakers are the same regardless of if the crossover games counted: head to head, and so on.

I think with such a small sample size - playing just two of the six in the other division this makes sense. It's not like every NBA eastern division team playing a home/home with every western team. North games decide the North champion.
Thank you sir.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 03, 2017, 10:34:04 AM
Lake Forest had a Nose tackle with 12 tackles, 2 hurries and 1 sack (two 1/2 sacks). Have to say that seeing these old stadiums is so cool! Love the the parents that still enjoy getting together to watch their sons play.
GO FORESTERS 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 03, 2017, 10:57:55 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on August 31, 2017, 06:12:32 PM
This weeks picks:
Chicago over Case  L
SNC over Stevens   L
Monmouth over Hope  W
Grinnell over Olaf  L
Mac over Carleton  W
Concordia over Ripon (Defense wins the game for Concordia)   ;D  W
Presentation over Lawrence  W
Lake Forest over Beloit  W
Rose over IC  W
Eureka over Knox  L
Iowa Wes over Cornell  L


6-4.  Not winning the pot with those picks...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 05, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
http://d3football.com/awards/tow/2017/week1 (http://d3football.com/awards/tow/2017/week1)

The Midwest Conference started off with a strong showing on the Team of the Week with three representatives:  RB Joey Valdivia from LFC, WR Alec Beatty from Macalester, and DE Andrew Joseph from Cornell. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 06, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
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Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 07, 2017, 05:27:47 AM
Scottie, where ya been?  Late wake up this year!

Hey Astro, I'm confused.  Doesn't your son play for Monmouth?  Were you at the Lake Forest game?  Or just watching it on the computer?

Week 2 coming up.  Hero's day in the Forest and I'm gonna miss it.  Damn.  My favorite game to go to.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 07, 2017, 06:31:53 PM
So what games are you Guys/Gals excited to see this week. I think the COE vs Cornel will be a great Defensive game. Monmouth vs WARTBURG should also be a good game to watch.
What games are exciting for the rest of you?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 07, 2017, 08:55:22 PM
I am anxious to see how the Monmouth @ Wartburg games plays out.  I suspect it will be a close game, like last year. 

I've always been a fan of the Coe/Cornell rivalry, though I think we will probably once again see a lopsided scoreline. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 08, 2017, 08:30:15 AM
I'm pretty biased, but Macalester/Hamline's "Battle for the Old Paint Bucket" will be a game to keep an eye on.  It'll be a much more competitive rivalry game than Coe/Cornell, and if Macalester wins, it will be the first time they've held both of their rivalry trophies (having defeated Carleton for the Book of Knowledge last week).  But Monmouth/Wartburg is probably the game most indicative of how the Midwest Conference stacks up against stronger competition.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2017, 12:49:50 PM
Hopefully LU gets a win against the 30-man roster of Finlandia

Benedictine will be unhappy after its blowout loss against Wheaton last week. And hopefully SNC can bounce back from its 2OT loss at Point.

LaX beat Luther last week... likely a tall order for Ripon - but props for scheduling a WIAC team. Wish that happened more.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 08, 2017, 01:24:34 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 07, 2017, 08:55:22 PM
I am anxious to see how the Monmouth @ Wartburg games plays out.  I suspect it will be a close game, like last year. 

I've always been a fan of the Coe/Cornell rivalry, though I think we will probably once again see a lopsided scoreline.

I've got COE at the top of West region, watched the game on-Demand and again their defense looks tough. Really like the front 7 movement. I also interested to see how Chicago does against Washinton U.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 08, 2017, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on September 08, 2017, 08:30:15 AM
I'm pretty biased, but Macalester/Hamline's "Battle for the Old Paint Bucket" will be a game to keep an eye on.  It'll be a much more competitive rivalry game than Coe/Cornell, and if Macalester wins, it will be the first time they've held both of their rivalry trophies (having defeated Carleton for the Book of Knowledge last week).  But Monmouth/Wartburg is probably the game most indicative of how the Midwest Conference stacks up against stronger competition.
I think the Chicago vs Washington U will also be indicative of how the Midwest will go as well. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2017, 02:28:20 PM
Week 2 Picks

Beloit @ Knox - BC
Chicago @ Wash. U. - WU
Cornell @ Coe - Coe
Grinnell @ Trinity Bible - GC
Illinois C. @ Simpson - SC
Carleton @ Lake Forest - LFC
Lawrence @ Finlandia - FU
Hamline @ Macalester - MC
Monmouth @ Wartburg - MC
UW-La Crosse - @ Ripon - UWL
Benedictine @ St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 08, 2017, 06:48:25 PM
Beloit @ Knox - BC
Chicago @ Wash. U. - Chicago
Cornell @ Coe - Coe
Grinnell @ Trinity Bible - GC
Illinois C. @ Simpson - IC
Carleton @ Lake Forest - LFC
Lawrence @ Finlandia - LU
Hamline @ Macalester - MC
Monmouth @ Wartburg - Wartburg
UW-La Crosse - @ Ripon - UWL
Benedictine @ St. Norbert - SNC

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 06:56:27 AM
Beloit @ Knox - knox
Chicago @ Wash. U. - Chicago
Cornell @ Coe - Coe
Grinnell @ Trinity Bible - GC
Illinois C. @ Simpson - Simpson
Carleton @ Lake Forest - LFC
Lawrence @ Finlandia - LU
Hamline @ Macalester - MC
Monmouth @ Wartburg - MC
UW-La Crosse - @ Ripon - UWL
Benedictine @ St. Norbert - SNC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 06:57:39 AM
Hero's day in the Forest today.  My favorite game to go to when son #1 played there.  They tribute all Military and First Responders.  Fun day. 

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 09, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 06:57:39 AM
Hero's day in the Forest today.  My favorite game to go to when son #1 played there.  They tribute all Military and First Responders.  Fun day.
Lets Go Foresters!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 03:38:26 PM
Sloppy first half for Lake Forest....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 03:58:11 PM
And just like that Lake Forest comes back out in the second half and has tied it up.  Valdivia with 2 rushing td's one 52 yards and one 20. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 04:10:04 PM
Field goal and LFC takes the lead. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
Valdivia scores his 4th td to get LFC up again.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 05:18:25 PM
Crazy game in Lake Forest.  Lake Forest was down 28-14 at the end of the half.  Carlton dominated them on both sides of the ball.  Then LFC comes out and takes a 2 TD lead with 11 minutes left in the game.  Carlton ends up scoring twice in that time, but extra point was blocked.  The 2 point conversion with no time left the receiver caught the ball out of bounds.  But I have to say, they were aided by some shaky calls by the refs.  On one, a LFC linebacker hit the QB who was attempting to throw a long pass, he was hit as he threw and the ball wabbled about 10 yards.  Ref called roughing the QB....
Anyways, 2-0.....LFC 48 Carlton 46
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 09, 2017, 05:54:05 PM
Lawrence hangs on to beat Finlandia. LaCrosse crushed Ripon.

Benedictine beat SNC 29-7.

Actually could have been worse but SNC dsefense did a good job keeping the Knights in the game.

SNC's starting QB got hurt in the first quarter. Backup eventually did OK but overall the offense could not consistently do anything. BU was a better team but it would have nice to see how it would have been with the starter in

BU had a nice goal line stand when SNC could have made it 22-15. SNC had some momentum until that point.

On to conference play.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 09, 2017, 10:42:47 PM
Final Score

Wartburg 36, Monmouth 13

Not much to highlight here.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 11, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
When was the last time SNC and the Good Guys ever combined for a 1-3 start?  No undefeated regular season on the line for this year's conference championship game, I guess.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 11, 2017, 12:32:25 PM
hmmmm.  I don't think I'd be identifying the region champs at this point Scottie. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2017, 01:08:13 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 11, 2017, 12:32:25 PM
hmmmm.  I don't think I'd be identifying the region champs at this point Scottie.

Region champ is probably UW-Oshkosh or someone from the MIAC, anyway.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 11, 2017, 02:29:08 PM
You are correct Pat.  And when someone scores 3 rushing TD's and 1 receiving, they've scored 4 TD's, not 3.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 11, 2017, 02:36:13 PM
"Christian Zaytoun connected with Dane Birkeland for a 30-yard touchdown as time expired, but Carleton could not convert the ensuing two-point attempt and the Knights fell 48-46 at Lake Forest. Carleton had trailed 48-34 with 3:51 remaining but scored with 1:17 left, then got a defensive stop and went 78 yards in just 27.3 seconds before coming up short. Joey Valdivia had 224 yards and three TDs to lead the Foresters."
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 11, 2017, 05:30:36 PM
Nice left/right combo, F-Dad!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 12, 2017, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 09, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
Valdivia scores his 4th td to get LFC up again.
No pass defense, which makes everything else hard to do. Front 7 pushing but quick outs,drags, and pop passes give no help/ ugly win.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on September 12, 2017, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: Maverick on September 09, 2017, 10:42:47 PM
Final Score

Wartburg 36, Monmouth 13

Not much to highlight here.
Why are the 2 stud DL guys from last year #2 & #7 not playing the last 2 games?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 12, 2017, 04:23:42 PM
Not league games.  If they are dinged up at all, they'll sit till the first game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2017, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 11, 2017, 02:29:08 PM
You are correct Pat.  And when someone scores 3 rushing TD's and 1 receiving, they've scored 4 TD's, not 3.....

I'm guessing you're referencing something specific that I should understand, but I totally don't get it, sorry.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 13, 2017, 07:24:46 AM
I like it that way...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2017, 05:24:34 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 13, 2017, 07:24:46 AM
I like it that way...

Alright. Well, I can't fix whatever issue there might be if you don't tell me what it is.  ???
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 13, 2017, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2017, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 11, 2017, 02:29:08 PM
You are correct Pat.  And when someone scores 3 rushing TD's and 1 receiving, they've scored 4 TD's, not 3.....

I'm guessing you're referencing something specific that I should understand, but I totally don't get it, sorry.

Read the post under the one you quoted.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on September 13, 2017, 08:46:20 PM

Read the post under the one you quoted.

Oh, I see. This is a passive-aggressive correction of something on our site. Gee, thanks for the help.

No note of Valdivia on the front page yesterday? Don't want fulbakdad to miss it like last year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 14, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
So anyways,

Bye week for LFC.  Probably gonna take in a High School game this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on September 14, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 14, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
So anyways,

Bye week for LFC.  Probably gonna take in a High School game this weekend.

Its not a good week without a high school game and a D3 game.  Fortunately I live where there are plenty of both .
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2017, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on September 13, 2017, 08:46:20 PM

Read the post under the one you quoted.

Oh, I see. This is a passive-aggressive correction of something on our site. Gee, thanks for the help.

No note of Valdivia on the front page yesterday? Don't want fulbakdad to miss it like last year.
point, Coleman
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 16, 2017, 04:35:04 PM
Dad takes a standing 8-count!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 16, 2017, 07:33:00 PM
Scottie,

Not even phased.  Slaps like a girl.

;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2017, 01:19:38 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 17, 2017, 02:02:38 PM
Any posts about yesterday's MWC action?  I mean, I know the Good Guys weren't playing, but there MUST have been SOMETHING compelling to share. For any who are feeling like they've been missing something in there lives, MC will be back in action in just six short days.  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2017, 02:29:06 PM
Here's a quick look at yesterday's MWC scoreboard, which probably explains the lack of discussion of yesterday's games:
http://www.d3football.com/scoreboard/2017/MWC?date=2017-09-16
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on September 18, 2017, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2017, 02:29:06 PM
Here's a quick look at yesterday's MWC scoreboard, which probably explains the lack of discussion of yesterday's games:
http://www.d3football.com/scoreboard/2017/MWC?date=2017-09-16

Pat's bringing some snark to the midwest boards!  I like it
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 21, 2017, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2017, 02:29:06 PM
Here's a quick look at yesterday's MWC scoreboard, which probably explains the lack of discussion of yesterday's games:
http://www.d3football.com/scoreboard/2017/MWC?date=2017-09-16
clickbait?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 23, 2017, 12:54:19 AM
Week 3 Picks

Monmouth @ Macalester - Scots...MC...Monmouth
Beloit @ Cornell - CC
St. Norbert @ Grinnell - SNC
Ripon @ Knox - RC
Lake Forest @ Lawrence - LFC
Chicago @ Illinois C. - IC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 23, 2017, 04:44:10 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 26, Macalester 0

Nice bounce back road win for the Fighting Scots!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 23, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
SNC 66
Grinnell 13

Knox 13
Ripon 6

Cornell 55
Beloit 36
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 23, 2017, 10:13:14 PM
Valdivia with a 62 yard scamper scoring his 4th TD and 160 plus night and Lake Forest goes up by 2 TD's in the 4th.  Defense needs to get MUCH more consistent in the future games....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 23, 2017, 10:22:48 PM
Valdivia with his 5th Td.  Over 200 now.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 23, 2017, 10:51:03 PM
Lake Forest over Lawrence 42 26.  Valdivia with 260 yards and 5 td's.  Very fun player to watch.  Should be easy for D3Footaball.com to get it right in the recap, all 5 Td's were running.  Offense was very balanced and confident.  Defense needs to become more consistent.  We get to see them in person next week at Home.  Very excited!
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Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 27, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
Astro, Gonna be at the game Saturday?  We are flying out this weekend.  Would love to have a beer with you at the Tailgate.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Week 4 Picks

Macalester @ Lake Forest - LFC
Lawrence @ Monmouth - MC
Knox @ St. Norbert - SNC
Cornell @ Chicago - UC
Grinnell @ Ripon - RC
Illinois C. @ Beloit - IC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 30, 2017, 02:31:15 PM
End of the 1st at Lake Forest.  LFC up 7-0 and driving on Macs 20.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 30, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Lake Forest up 28-13 at the half.  LFC offense is well balanced and impressive so far.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2017, 04:45:44 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 34, Lawrence 0

Scots dominated the first half, defense with a very good shutout effort today.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 30, 2017, 05:51:15 PM
SNC beats Knox 61-17.

Snc had 290 rushing yards. Knox had 13.

Could have been worse. Knox picked off two in their own end zone.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on September 30, 2017, 11:20:39 PM
Other finals around the MWC...

Lake Forest 41, Macalester 26
Chicago 55, Cornell 10
Ripon 55, Grinnell 0
Illinois C. 61, Beloit 29

Not alot of drama out of this week's games.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 02, 2017, 04:02:23 PM
It would appear the top half and the bottom half were clearly clarified this week. Yeesh.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on October 03, 2017, 08:15:43 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 27, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
Astro, Gonna be at the game Saturday?  We are flying out this weekend.  Would love to have a beer with you at the Tailgate.

Hey buddy it was great meeting you last Weekend!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2017, 07:15:38 AM
Yeah Astro, same.

I enjoyed going back to the Forest.  Had fun with some old friends.  Good game to go to also.

One thing that stuck out to me was that how quietly Valdivia picks up yards.  He had the nice TD run where he left 6 pairs of Macalester cleats stuck to the field.  But at the end of the game I thought I was going to see 100 yards rushing or so.  Seemed like a quiet game for him.  Then the box score comes up and he had 170.  Funny, cuz at one of the earlier games I missed watching, I had texted a coach and asked how he did in that game.  The coach texted back 100 yards or so.  The box score came up and he had 220.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 04, 2017, 11:43:32 AM
Might want to fix the Midwest Conference standings page.  Has LFC and IC 1-0 in conference while Mac and Beloit are listed as 0-1.  My understanding is that these cross-divisional games aren't supposed to count toward the conference standings (as they didn't for the other games). 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 01:39:17 PM
Thanks. We had these games marked correctly but people at the schools changed them and we can't easily stop them from doing that.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 04, 2017, 02:16:30 PM
?????
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 03:59:31 PM
What? PrestoSports is a networked system where hundreds of people have access to the database. LMK what is confusing and I'll try to explain more.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on October 04, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 04, 2017, 07:15:38 AM
Yeah Astro, same.

I enjoyed going back to the Forest.  Had fun with some old friends.  Good game to go to also.

One thing that stuck out to me was that how quietly Valdivia picks up yards.  He had the nice TD run where he left 6 pairs of Macalester cleats stuck to the field.  But at the end of the game I thought I was going to see 100 yards rushing or so.  Seemed like a quiet game for him.  Then the box score comes up and he had 170.  Funny, cuz at one of the earlier games I missed watching, I had texted a coach and asked how he did in that game.  The coach texted back 100 yards or so.  The box score came up and he had 220.
He's a very patient runner, so it doesn't look like hes going a lot, but he get after it.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 06, 2017, 12:44:03 PM
Week 5 Picks

Cornell @ Illinois C. - IC
Monmouth @ Grinnell - MC
Knox @ Lake Forest - LFC
Beloit @ Macalester - MC
Lawrence @ Chicago - UC
St. Norbert @ Ripon - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 07, 2017, 04:20:35 PM
FInal
SNC 17
Ripon 0
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2017, 04:36:44 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 49, Grinnell 0

Slow start in the first quarter, things picked up after that.  Scots defense pitches another shutout.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 07, 2017, 04:51:15 PM
Macalester 56, Beloit 21.  Really shouldn't have even been that close with a couple garbage time TDs for Beloit. 

What the heck is going on in Lake Forest?  Knox is leading after three quarters?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 07, 2017, 04:59:42 PM
Valdivia has 29 yards. Hurt?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 07, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 07, 2017, 04:59:42 PM
Valdivia has 29 yards. Hurt?

Doesn't look like it, they must just be having trouble running the ball.  He's at 30 yards on 15 carries.
Two quick scores.  LFC up 28-21 now. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 13, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
Week 6 Picks

Illinois C. @ Monmouth - MC
Grinnell @ Knox - KC
Lake Forest @ Cornell - LFC
Macalester @ Lawrence - MC
Ripon @ Beloit - RC
Chicago @ St. Norbert - SNC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 13, 2017, 01:08:06 PM
I have to agree with Maverick's picks. Chicago-St. Norbert could be a good game. Lawrence has homecoming this weekend. Not sure it will make a difference. Actually, yes, I am sure.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 14, 2017, 03:12:22 PM
Halftime, Lake Forest 42 Cornell 0.  Valdivia with 140+ yards and 4 rushing TD's.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 14, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
A defensive battle in De Pere. There weren't more punts than first downs but it sure seemed like it. SNC able to put together two scoring drives. And SNC didn't let the Maroons get inside the 25, IIRC. A good division win for the Knights
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 14, 2017, 06:52:15 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 59, Illinois C. 14

Game was called with 3:31 left. In between 3 different weather delays, the Scots thoroughly handled the Blueboys.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 14, 2017, 07:06:52 PM
Macalester 21 Lawrence 18. In the rain Macalester was sloppy and got pushed around by Lawrence's rushing attack. Two goal line stands and a 90 yard TD pass ( I still don't know how a receiver gets open by 20 yards) helped LU stay close. A pair of missed PATs did not help the Lawrence cause. And a net punt of zero on fourth and one may not have been the right choice (the long TD saved that). Fun game to watch.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 14, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
Pat - can the standings page put the MWC into the divisions, please?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2017, 01:10:58 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 14, 2017, 07:19:51 PM
Pat - can the standings page put the MWC into the divisions, please?

Yes - sorry. There's a thing I have to research and it has slipped my mind a couple times. I'll try to dig up the old code.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2017, 08:37:59 AM
thanks much.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 15, 2017, 06:44:05 PM
Sure starting to look like a Norby-Monmouth rematch in November
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 15, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
Quote from: WW on October 15, 2017, 06:44:05 PM
Sure starting to look like a Norby-Monmouth rematch in November

Let's see after the SNC/Macalester game, and Lake Forest/Monmouth game
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2017, 09:00:30 AM
Week 7 Picks

Monmouth @ Cornell - MC
Grinnell @ Lake Forest - LFC
Knox @ Illinois C. - IC
Lawrence @ St. Norbert - SNC
Ripon @ Macalester - MC
Beloit @ Chicago - UC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 21, 2017, 03:24:58 PM
At the half, Lake Forest 49-6 over Grinnell.  Valdivia with 224 yards rushing and 4 rushing TD's.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 21, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 61, Cornell 10

Scots were in control of this one from start to finish.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 21, 2017, 06:25:49 PM
SNC outrushes Lawrence 344-13 en route to a 38-6 win
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottyeagle93 on October 25, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Pretty quiet week here considering there are two de-facto division championship games...

SNC travels to St. Paul to take on Macalester.  The mercury looks to drop into the 30s.  We will see if that makes any difference, with Macalester a more passing based squad than the Green Knights.  Probably give the edge to SNC, though it will be pretty close.  31-27

Then lake forest and Monmouth.  I've seen both teams play Mac, and Monmouth looked far more impressive.  Meanwhile, lake forest has had a tendency to play down to their opponents, so I think Monmouth would bottle up valdivia and prevail.  27-14
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 25, 2017, 02:11:53 PM
I think you got the winners right. But I don't think the Mac-SNC game will be near that close. Norb D has been in shutdown mode and they may have their top RB, Fort, back for this one. Likewise, Lake Forest... ya, 7-0, but struggled to beat Lawrence and Beloit, had to rally to beat Knox. I'm not sold on the Foresters. Not so much they play down as they're just not that good. Scots have been dominant in conference play. We'll see.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on October 25, 2017, 02:28:00 PM
LF vs Monmouth will come down to controlling the trenches. LF front 7 have performed very well just haven't been able to stop the short passes with/and QB release time of 1.5 to 2 seconds, backfield has improved and pressure has been more effective last couple of games with pass coverage. Monmouth will need to win by passing and LF will need to win by both. I don't think Monmouth will run up the middle like last year and will need to be effective in passing. LF 38-21 final score.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 25, 2017, 07:44:29 PM
Drinking some of that f-dad kool-aid...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 26, 2017, 02:38:10 PM
Interesting story on the former Big Ten powerhouse U of C Maroons at sports illustrated site. They'll be a contender in this league with the numbers they're getting.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/25/football-america-chicago-bears-maroons

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 26, 2017, 05:58:32 PM
Astro:  Since you only have 33 posts to your name, I'm going to go easy on ya kid.  My hunch is that F-Dad has a lot more sense and won't predict such a large spread.  Heck, he might even be hoping LF can keep it close.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 27, 2017, 08:33:48 AM
Lake Forest wins by 2 touchdowns!

lol
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 27, 2017, 09:35:53 AM
Week 8 Picks

Illinois C. @ Grinnell - IC
Cornell @ Knox - KC
Monmouth @ Lake Forest - MC
St. Norbert @ Macalester - SNC
Lawrence @ Beloit - LU
Chicago @ Ripon - UC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on October 27, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 26, 2017, 05:58:32 PM
Astro:  Since you only have 33 posts to your name, I'm going to go easy on ya kid.  My hunch is that F-Dad has a lot more sense and won't predict such a large spread.  Heck, he might even be hoping LF can keep it close.   ;)
Well I truly appreciate you taking it easy on me my football friend, as for the 33 post...well it's not very active on here so I'm flying under the radar. IMO it comes down to which side of the ball for LF & MC performs. We already know that respectively MC is the top dawg Defensively and LF the top dawg Offensively so will LF D dominate or will MC O dominate, that is where the game will be won. I feel that LF front 7 will cause enough HAVOC/disruption up front to get the edge in my humble opinion. Chip on shoulder will prevail my friend.
Don't be to hard on me now.
Thank you and can't to freeze my butt off.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
Couldn't help but notice a surprising lack of in-game updates from the LFC crew....  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2017, 04:35:36 PM
Has Valdivia reached the 300 yard mark yet??
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2017, 04:59:57 PM
SNC up big over MAC 40-7. #contendersandpretenders
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 28, 2017, 05:02:23 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 42, Lake Forest 7

Chip got knocked off and turned to crumbs I guess. Seriously though, where was Cleary?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 28, 2017, 08:51:20 PM
Norby Monmouth outcomes are no surprise. My early line is Scots by 3, but we gotta make sure everybody gets thru healthy next week.

What was a surprise today was the Ripon Red Hawks. Nice win!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on October 28, 2017, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Maverick on October 28, 2017, 05:02:23 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 42, Lake Forest 7

Chip got knocked off and turned to crumbs I guess. Seriously though, where was Cleary?

Nevermind...earlier game stats were wrong, looks like Cleary was there.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2017, 05:52:33 PM
I would think Monmouth would be favored by more than that, especially at home. SNC defense playing well but not sure Knights can score enough to keep pace with those Scots
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2017, 07:45:02 AM
Sorry guys.  On the beach in Mexico.  Mon by a lot more than 3!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 30, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
Enjoy your time on the beach, F-Dad.  Keep an eye out for young Astro who appears to have stuck his head in the sand.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2017, 05:45:32 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 30, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
Enjoy your time on the beach, F-Dad.  Keep an eye out for young Astro who appears to have stuck his head in the sand.

Take it easy on Astro -- he's new to the league, right? Sometimes it takes a while to see how things actually play out.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
According to the conference website for the all sports standings:

Football, Men's Soccer, Women's Soccer, Volleyball, Women's Basketball, Softball, Tennis, and Men's Basketball: places are determined by regular-season standings.

So, with the divisions, can someone remind me how that works? Do the two division winners each get 9.5 points (10 for 1st, 9 for second, added together then halved?) I am guessing that Chicago and Macalester are just taking out of the equation? Or are the standings just moved into a single list and then assigned places?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2017, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
According to the conference website for the all sports standings:

Football, Men's Soccer, Women's Soccer, Volleyball, Women's Basketball, Softball, Tennis, and Men's Basketball: places are determined by regular-season standings.

So, with the divisions, can someone remind me how that works? Do the two division winners each get 9.5 points (10 for 1st, 9 for second, added together then halved?) I am guessing that Chicago and Macalester are just taking out of the equation? Or are the standings just moved into a single list and then assigned places?

It looks like this in previous seasons with the championship weekend games--winner of the game between 1st place teams gets 12 points, loser gets 11...winner of the game between 2nd place teams gets 10 points, loser gets 9...etc etc etc.  After points have been awarded as such, Macalester's points were removed from the standings; I'm guessing the same will be done this season with them and Chicago.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 03, 2017, 09:18:08 AM
Week 9 Picks

Grinnell @ Cornell - CC
Lake Forest @ Illinois C. - LFC
Knox @ Monmouth - MC
Beloit @ St. Norbert - SNC
Macalester @ Chicago - MC
Ripon @ Lawrence - RC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 03, 2017, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Maverick on November 03, 2017, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
According to the conference website for the all sports standings:

Football, Men's Soccer, Women's Soccer, Volleyball, Women's Basketball, Softball, Tennis, and Men's Basketball: places are determined by regular-season standings.

So, with the divisions, can someone remind me how that works? Do the two division winners each get 9.5 points (10 for 1st, 9 for second, added together then halved?) I am guessing that Chicago and Macalester are just taking out of the equation? Or are the standings just moved into a single list and then assigned places?

It looks like this in previous seasons with the championship weekend games--winner of the game between 1st place teams gets 12 points, loser gets 11...winner of the game between 2nd place teams gets 10 points, loser gets 9...etc etc etc.  After points have been awarded as such, Macalester's points were removed from the standings; I'm guessing the same will be done this season with them and Chicago.

So it's really not based on the regular season, then... At least to me... If Monmouth and SNC both finish 5-0, that's the end of the regular season, and then there's the championship game.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 04, 2017, 09:02:50 AM
I chatted with LU's SID, and he agreed with Maverick (he was 90% sure)... last games play for 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, etc., then take the two adjunct members out.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 04, 2017, 05:17:18 PM
final
Beloit 7
SNC 47

It was 21-0 after 1, and 33-0 at the half. SNC had no problems, really.

Staehler set a school season record with 13, 14 and 15th TD passes, of 46, 48 and 90 yards. Ran right by the defenders each time.

The Beloit parents I sat by were very nice but clearly frustrated with the state of Bucs football.

A nice tuneup for the main event next week.

Elsehwere, Ripon beat LU 14-7. Chicago beat Mac 19-14. LFC beat IC 28-21.Monmouth up on Knox 49-3 in the early fourth, Cornell beat Grinnell 41-20
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 04, 2017, 05:52:07 PM
Final Score

Monmouth 52, Knox 10

Slow start in the first quarter, Scots in control the rest of the way.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 04, 2017, 11:00:50 PM
Lake Forest plays  Chicago next week.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 05, 2017, 12:29:33 AM
SATURDAY11.11.17FOOTBALL
Ripon College      @   Cornell College         1:00 p.m.   Mount Vernon, Iowa   
University of Chicago      @   Lake Forest College         1:00 p.m.   Lake Forest, Ill.   
St. Norbert College      @   Monmouth College         1:00 p.m.   Monmouth, Ill.   
Beloit College      @   Grinnell College         TBA   Grinnell, Iowa   
Lawrence University      @   Knox College         TBA   Galesburg, Ill.   
Macalester College      @   Illinois College         TBA   Jacksonville, Ill.   
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 06, 2017, 05:50:26 PM
Pre-GOTY discussion item:  "The U," aka Carroll, is 2-17 during their first two seasons in the CCIW.  Any thoughts on how the regular MWC contenders might fare? 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
Hopefully better than that!

I mean, I get it, Carroll draws lots of students from the greater Chicago area, so you telll kids 'your parents will get to see you play a lot' - and more so than when they were in the MWC. And maybe their travel costs are lower.

That said, the Pios weren't dominate - and often not competitive in many MWC sports.  I fail to see how moving to a bigger pond helps them...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 06, 2017, 09:58:31 PM
But maybe I am missing something...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 08, 2017, 12:14:57 PM
Carroll announced their move based on travel. It also put them back where they had been before coming to the MWC. I suspect they thought the MWC would be easier for them but found it was not and they wanted to go back to their roots.

Monmouth and SNC would compete. I would be thrilled if the MWC could compete with CCIW athletically but it just isn't happening right now. Heck, do we compete with NACC or UMAC?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 08, 2017, 01:58:56 PM
IMO Carroll would be the 3rd best football team in MWC this year.

I know there are alliances and relationships here that go back decades, but seems to me you could throw all the MWC, NACC and CCIW teams in a bucket, start over and come up with three conferences that make a lot more sense.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 08, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
And holy cow there are two MWC teams in the regional top ten.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2017, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 08, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
And holy cow there are two MWC teams in the regional top ten.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking
But not the possible conference champion
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
Scratching My Head. . . .
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2017, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 08, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
Scratching My Head. . . .

Monmouth I get. One loss, and to a ranked team. And Hope is a solid win against a second-place team.

Lake Forest's loss is to Monmouth, so that's OK. But the non-conference wins (Beloit and Carleton) don't help them any.

SNC's losses are two good teams in their leagues, but both losses.

All in all, does it make sense? For Monmouth, yes. SNC, I suppose. Not sure why, given the league's rep, that LFC gets ranked. And they aren't an option for an at-large, in any case, I wouldn't think.

I like that the bracket guess has Monmouth avoiding both UWO and STU in the first round. Not sure SNC would get the same consideration with our losses. But sending Lakeland to UWO makes more sense than SNC...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 09, 2017, 01:10:44 PM
Agreed, gbpuckfan, all around.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 09, 2017, 01:19:43 PM
Welllll one of SNC's losses is to UWSP, 1-5 and 7th place in WIAC. I'll give you Benedictine being decent in their league but that was a pretty solid beatdown they gave the Knights. But bottom line, SNC is in win-and-you're-in position, and theirs is a better resume than Lakeland's with that win, so this analysis matters little.

Lake Forest... yikes. That's just a mistake. Winless Beloit and Carleton each came closest to notching their only W this year vs the Foresters. 8-1 is 8-1, but that's a squishy 8-1.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2017, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: WW on November 09, 2017, 01:19:43 PM
Welllll one of SNC's losses is to UWSP, 1-5 and 7th place in WIAC. I'll give you Benedictine being decent in their league but that was a pretty solid beatdown they gave the Knights. But bottom line, SNC is in win-and-you're-in position, and theirs is a better resume than Lakeland's with that win, so this analysis matters little.

Lake Forest... yikes. That's just a mistake. Winless Beloit and Carleton each came closest to notching their only W this year vs the Foresters. 8-1 is 8-1, but that's a squishy 8-1.
Admittedly, I just looked at 4-5 for UWSP, and didn't look at the WIAC record. My bad.

As for Benedictine, SNC's QB got hurt early, and couldn't do anything offensively after that. I think we still would have lost - and that's a reason, not an excuse. But it would have been nice to see how it would have played out.

I'm not advocating in any way for SNC for an at-large. Absolutely is a win-to-get in for them. Would be nice to see the MWC get an at-large, also, some year. With the WIAC losses, that might have been this year if Monmouth had been undefeated.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 09, 2017, 02:35:05 PM
While I hope I'm wrong, there's probably no way MC beats SNC 42-7 this weekend (the LFC score).   NOT that I'm suggesting in any way that the MWC is deserving of two regionally-ranked teams.  If they are, however, I have to think the eyeball test goes to the Knights after LFC was exposed so badly by the Scots.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: LB40 on November 09, 2017, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: WW on November 09, 2017, 01:19:43 PM
Welllll one of SNC's losses is to UWSP, 1-5 and 7th place in WIAC. I'll give you Benedictine being decent in their league but that was a pretty solid beatdown they gave the Knights. But bottom line, SNC is in win-and-you're-in position, and theirs is a better resume than Lakeland's with that win, so this analysis matters little.

Lake Forest... yikes. That's just a mistake. Winless Beloit and Carleton each came closest to notching their only W this year vs the Foresters. 8-1 is 8-1, but that's a squishy 8-1.


Curious as to how SNC has a better resume than Lakeland when they have the same records and have a common opponent that had very different results?  An SNC loss to BU 29-7 vs an LU win 57-21?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2017, 02:57:39 PM
Quote from: LB40 on November 09, 2017, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: WW on November 09, 2017, 01:19:43 PM
Welllll one of SNC's losses is to UWSP, 1-5 and 7th place in WIAC. I'll give you Benedictine being decent in their league but that was a pretty solid beatdown they gave the Knights. But bottom line, SNC is in win-and-you're-in position, and theirs is a better resume than Lakeland's with that win, so this analysis matters little.

Lake Forest... yikes. That's just a mistake. Winless Beloit and Carleton each came closest to notching their only W this year vs the Foresters. 8-1 is 8-1, but that's a squishy 8-1.

Curious as to how SNC has a better resume than Lakeland when they have the same records and have a common opponent that had very different results?  An SNC loss to BU 29-7 vs an LU win 57-21?

My interpretation was an SNC title game win against a regionally-ranked opponent in Monmouth would give SNC a better resume than the Muskies.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 09, 2017, 05:19:52 PM
That's basically my case, that SNC's 8-2 with a win over #6 Monmouth would be better than Lakeland's 8-2, but certainly not a slam dunk in light of BU outcomes, and Lakeland's SOS perception. That Hope loss might help them. In any case I think the Muskies should be rooting hard for a Norby win Saturday. Without one, it appears they'll book a trip to Oshkosh.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 10, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
Week 10/MWC Championship Week Games

St. Norbert @ Monmouth - MC
Chicago @ Lake Forest - LFC
Macalester @ Illinois C. - MC
Ripon @ Cornell - RC
Lawrence @ Knox - KC
Beloit @ Grinnell - GC

Good luck Fighting Scots! 8-)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2017, 03:05:57 PM
A good, old fashioned defensive slobber knocker so far in the Maple City.  SNC leads 3-0 at half, with both teams missing one FG each. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2017, 03:46:06 PM
Still 3-0, end of 3rd.  Knights driving.  Good Guys need a TO.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2017, 04:08:09 PM
The kick is good!  3-3 with 6:09 remaining.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
Congrats, Scots. Good luck next week.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2017, 04:36:01 PM
The championship game goes to overtime.  SNC kicks a field goal, followed by a MC drive and TD!  Good Guys win 9-6.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2017, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
Congrats, Scots. Good luck next week.

Great game, Fan!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 11, 2017, 04:44:26 PM
Great defensive battle for the championship. Congrats to the Fighting Scots on finding a way to pull it out! Good luck in the playoffs!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
Quick shoutout to Beloit for getting in the W column today. I hope The Roop is smiling from above.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2017, 10:47:24 PM
Carroll lost 71-0 today.... how's that working out for you?  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2017, 10:47:24 PM
Carroll lost 71-0 today.... how's that working out for you?  ;D

They're probably dominating the conference in every other sport. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 12, 2017, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2017, 10:47:24 PM
Carroll lost 71-0 today.... how's that working out for you?  ;D

They're probably dominating the conference in every other sport. ;)

last in women's volleyball, third in women's soccer, seventh in men's soccer...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2017, 01:12:48 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 12, 2017, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2017, 10:47:24 PM
Carroll lost 71-0 today.... how's that working out for you?  ;D

They're probably dominating the conference in every other sport. ;)

last in women's volleyball, third in women's soccer, seventh in men's soccer...

Reminds me of the joke about the boy who brought home his report card which had four Fs and a D.  The dad looked over the report card and told his son that he was spending too much time on one subject. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 12, 2017, 05:44:24 PM
Monmouth at Trine in the First Round!  First ever meeting between the Scots and the Thunder!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 12, 2017, 10:06:57 PM
So with a little inside knowledge/info from the NACC, Trine looks like a good option for Monmouth to open up against.  Definitely not the usual powerhouse the MWC gets stuck with every other year.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2017, 04:24:20 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 12, 2017, 10:06:57 PM
So with a little inside knowledge/info from the NACC, Trine looks like a good option for Monmouth to open up against.  Definitely not the usual powerhouse the MWC gets stuck with every other year.....

A glance at the Top 25 poll should be a good indicator as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 15, 2017, 09:20:47 AM
RE: All sport standings.
http://www.midwestconference.org/sports/2017/10/24/GEN_1024171124.aspx?


Interesting that Monmouth got 12 points and SNC got 11. They just skipped over the missing slots, and did not adjust the place rankings

Makes sense on one hand, there are 12 teams. On the other, seems odd that one sport is worth more than others. Though the sports with less than 10 teams still get 10 for first place. Maybe the women's golf winner should get just 5 points then?

Not sure there's an easy answer, but it's a bit confusing, at least to me,
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2017, 02:15:09 PM
A quiet confidence must be wafting through both the MWC and MIAA fan bases.... #noaction?  #thisistheplayoffspeople!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2017, 02:55:30 PM
Further proof that Pat is probably THE smartest mind in D3Football....    ;D

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2017/playoff-surprises-and-disappointments
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2017, 02:10:07 PM
At the half, Trine leads Monmouth 28-24.  Big plays all over the place from both sides!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 18, 2017, 03:35:20 PM
Final Score

Trine 63, Monmouth 24

Disappointing second half effort.  I will hold off from posting anything more about this one right now.

Congrats to the Scots on another good season.  Congrats to Trine on the win and good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 18, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
A tale of two halves, for sure.  Congrats to the Good Guys on another fine season.  Let's do it again next year!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2018, 06:10:08 PM
We'll be dropping a new D3football.com Around the Nation Podcast on Monday, and Lake Forest coach Jim Catanzaro will be a guest. Keep an eye out for it in your feed or on our front page!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on April 12, 2018, 09:41:43 AM
The best in 1965 technology press box at Lawrence's Banta Bowl came down yesterday. Construction of the new and improved version will commence as soon as the weather cooperates.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on June 10, 2018, 12:01:05 AM
Hey Pat... that selfie with you and Keith on the front page.... you guys looked just the same as you looked when you came to the CatDome! You haven't aged a bit.... (I need 500 + please) .... wink wink!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on June 15, 2018, 10:58:30 AM
Three Midwest Conference top 100's in pre-season Hansen Ratings:

38. Monmouth
61. St. Norbert
97. Chicago
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on June 15, 2018, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: WW on June 15, 2018, 10:58:30 AM
Three Midwest Conference top 100's in pre-season Hansen Ratings:

38. Monmouth
61. St. Norbert
97. Chicago

Hope springs eternal ... or in this case ... Fall.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 20, 2018, 11:57:07 AM
WW
What's your take on the Green Knights, gb? They gotta replace a QB too but Ima put a nickel on them getting off the millennial Schneid vs WIAC when they take on UWEC in NC play. My dark horse in MWC is Chicago -- they're up and comin. (feel free to respond on MWC thread)

= = =
Well, Monmouth is still likely the team to beat - but we'll see. I don't want SNC to lose, of course, but gees, some of the bottom teams just need to get better. Chicago certainly seems like the biggest North threat. SNC plays Grinnell (1-9 last year), Knox (5-5), Ripon (5-5) in MWC before Chicago, so will probably be the toughest conference test to that point.

It's certainly seems like a good time to be playing the Blugolds. But the size difference in the OL/DL (both ways) is always an issue when SNC plays the WIAC schools, or UST a few years ago. I haven't looked specifically at these two teams but it's so hard to do anything when you can't control the line of scrimmage at all.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on June 20, 2018, 01:40:31 PM
I was pretty impressed by SNC vs Point last year. I know Point flopped in WIAC play but that was only after they lost their QB for the season -- it was quite a drop to QB2. They were full strength vs Norbs, and Norbs actually should've won the game in regulation. (questionable go-for-it call when a FG would've almost put the game out of reach)

Agree on Monmouth.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 16, 2018, 10:48:15 PM
preseason poll... no one gets even one vote

http://www.d3football.com/top25/2018/preseason

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on July 18, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on July 16, 2018, 10:48:15 PM
preseason poll... no one gets even one vote

http://www.d3football.com/top25/2018/preseason

Well, at least the MWC champ gets to legitimately play the "We got no respect" card come playoff time...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on July 18, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 18, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: WW on July 18, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.

As far as academic focus, the CCIW schools do more than hold their own against the MWC.
There are, undoubtedly, many measures of such "focus."
For one, here are the overall scores for the members of each conference as rated and published by the latest edition of the US News & World Report College Rankings.

MWC

Grinnell     86
Lawrence   67
Knox         62
Beloit        61
Cornell      58
Lk Forest   55
Ripon        51
IL College  46
Monmouth 44

CCIW

Millikin        80
No. Central  74
Elmhurst     72
Wheaton     65
IWU            62
Carroll        59
Augie          55
No. Park.     49
Carthage     41

The MWC schools average 57.7, but the CCIW schools average 61.8
Draw your own conclusions.



Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: AO on July 18, 2018, 07:00:49 PM
Quote from: AndOne on July 18, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: WW on July 18, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.

As far as academic focus, the CCIW schools do more than hold their own against the MWC.
There are, undoubtedly, many measures of such "focus."
For one, here are the overall scores for the members of each conference as rated and published by the latest edition of the US News & World Report College Rankings.

MWC

Grinnell     86
Lawrence   67
Knox         62
Beloit        61
Cornell      58
Lk Forest   55
Ripon        51
IL College  46
Monmouth 44

CCIW

Millikin        80
No. Central  74
Elmhurst     72
Wheaton     65
IWU            62
Carroll        59
Augie          55
No. Park.     49
Carthage     41

The MWC schools average 57.7, but the CCIW schools average 61.8
Draw your own conclusions.
Many of those schools are in different categories according to the way US News does its rankings.  Millikin is a "regional college midwest", whereas Lawrence is a National Liberal Arts College.  Millikin would be well below Lawrence if they were in the same category as they have lower test scores.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 18, 2018, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: AndOne on July 18, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: WW on July 18, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.

As far as academic focus, the CCIW schools do more than hold their own against the MWC.
There are, undoubtedly, many measures of such "focus."
For one, here are the overall scores for the members of each conference as rated and published by the latest edition of the US News & World Report College Rankings.

MWC

Grinnell     86
Lawrence   67
Knox         62
Beloit        61
Cornell      58
Lk Forest   55
Ripon        51
IL College  46
Monmouth 44

CCIW

Millikin        80
No. Central  74
Elmhurst     72
Wheaton     65
IWU            62
Carroll        59
Augie          55
No. Park.     49
Carthage     41

The MWC schools average 57.7, but the CCIW schools average 61.8
Draw your own conclusions.

Was I gone camping when St. Norbert left the MWC?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 22, 2018, 08:53:25 PM
SNC had a 47, if I understand the category selection correctly.

for years SNC was in the regional group. Not sure when/why was moved to the national liberal arts colleges.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on July 24, 2018, 06:34:07 PM
Quote from: WW on July 18, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.

The fact that MWC teams (not only SN or Monmouth) are taking the opportunity to play higher ranked teams is a Hugh bolster to each team & conference exposure. Very happy to see Lake Forest taking that opportunity to play NC, win or lose they are developing to compete at that level. Have to play big to win big, everyone started somewhere, who didn't hide from the challenge.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TwoArmedScot on July 25, 2018, 07:01:17 AM
Hickory Husker,

Must have been the same time that Chicago and Macalester left the conference as well.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on July 25, 2018, 10:20:06 AM
Quote from: astro9046 on July 24, 2018, 06:34:07 PM
Quote from: WW on July 18, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.

The fact that MWC teams (not only SN or Monmouth) are taking the opportunity to play higher ranked teams is a Hugh bolster to each team & conference exposure. Very happy to see Lake Forest taking that opportunity to play NC, win or lose they are developing to compete at that level. Have to play big to win big, everyone started somewhere, who didn't hide from the challenge.

Agree. Lake Forest seems to go 8-2 more often than not (four of the last six seasons, I think), but with neither conference championship or a playoff berth to show for it. Time for the next step. NC will be a statement game, one way or the other, for LF.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on July 26, 2018, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: WW on July 25, 2018, 10:20:06 AM
Quote from: astro9046 on July 24, 2018, 06:34:07 PM
Quote from: WW on July 18, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on July 18, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.

The fact that MWC teams (not only SN or Monmouth) are taking the opportunity to play higher ranked teams is a Hugh bolster to each team & conference exposure. Very happy to see Lake Forest taking that opportunity to play NC, win or lose they are developing to compete at that level. Have to play big to win big, everyone started somewhere, who didn't hide from the challenge.

Agree. Lake Forest seems to go 8-2 more often than not (four of the last six seasons, I think), but with neither conference championship or a playoff berth to show for it. Time for the next step. NC will be a statement game, one way or the other, for LF.
UC opens with UW, who had a down year last year but beat UC, and Simpson who is a tough team and beat COE who is usually a powerhouse in conference with Wartburg. Ripon is an interesting team would like to see them start to push for tougher 1st 2 games. LF is coming in with a great recruiting class so that will help the program.
Can't wait for season.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 01, 2018, 02:49:39 PM
Ripon had a home-and-home with LaCrosse last two seasons and got smoked, although when they scheduled that set my guess is that UWL was the 3-7ish team they have been for most of the decade, not the legit WIAC contender they are now.

SNC and Monmouth picked by wide margins to win their divisions in coaches poll. Chicago gets a couple first place votes challenging SNC and I think that's legit. Macalester and Illinois College (?) also get a first place vote apiece — that's gotta be a result of coaches not being allowed to vote for their own team.

Also, WR Staehling and K Thompson-Meyers from SNC named to pre-season All America team. Monmouth DE Lesniewski also represents MWC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on August 03, 2018, 09:20:11 AM
Did anyone see the MWC Media Day yesterday? I was not aware of it until late in the day, and, being at work, had no access. Anything stand out?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 03, 2018, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 03, 2018, 09:20:11 AM
Did anyone see the MWC Media Day yesterday? I was not aware of it until late in the day, and, being at work, had no access. Anything stand out?

I saw some of it. Some insight mixed in with lots of "polls don't mean anythings," and "we'll play 'em one at a times" and "can't look past anybody in this leagues". Pretty clear it's still a league of haves and have-nots. SNC, for example, has 45 incoming freshmen, that was bigger than somebody else's whole roster. Nobody gave away too much but I think I'm more bullish on Ripon based on what I heard. 10 O starters back, including QB. North Division is gonna be interesting.

One of the coaches referenced 50,000 or 60,000 people watching online... really? Wow -- pretty impressive if that's legit -- possible he was joking. You can still access the presser via MWC site.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2018, 11:24:38 AM
That was definitely a joke. :)

Having talked to all of these coaches for Kickoff in the past couple of weeks, it was nice to hear what they had to say again. A couple of new nuggets. Comprehensive coverage of the MWC coming in six days!

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: astro9046 on August 03, 2018, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on August 03, 2018, 09:20:11 AM
Did anyone see the MWC Media Day yesterday? I was not aware of it until late in the day, and, being at work, had no access. Anything stand out?
here you go. https://lakeforestcollege.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=6c0d9a41-0a66-4c47-bf34-a928010af51c
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2018, 04:27:40 PM
Folks, just a reminder that Kickoff '18 goes live tomorrow! Register now if you haven't already!
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 16, 2018, 08:42:48 AM
Big news from Ripon — 47 freshmen report! Entire roster last year was 50ish. RedHawks on the rise!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 16, 2018, 03:08:15 PM
Wow, that is a big change.  Nice!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 16, 2018, 05:09:15 PM
Quote from: WW on August 16, 2018, 08:42:48 AM
Big news from Ripon — 47 freshmen report! Entire roster last year was 50ish. RedHawks on the rise!

RC's president and admissions director owe the coaches a nice dinner. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 17, 2018, 10:30:56 AM
Hello,

Trying to recruit one more member for the West Region Fan poll. Please send me a personal message if you're interested.

Much appreciated!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 17, 2018, 05:14:17 PM
Scottie, glad to see you woke from your winter nap!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on August 20, 2018, 11:30:10 PM
Hey 'Dad. Five 2017-2018 conference championships put me in quite the champagne haze.  Good to be back for more fun. Although, I can't say I would classify Wheaton and Wartburg "fun."  Yeesh!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2018, 10:15:49 PM
Quote from: WW on August 16, 2018, 08:42:48 AM
Big news from Ripon — 47 freshmen report! Entire roster last year was 50ish. RedHawks on the rise!

(This was in Kickoff. :))
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on August 29, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
Ready for the season to get started. I think Monmouth could knock off Wheaton. I remember them knocking off Ill Wesleyan in the playoffs. Wartburg would need some things to go their way. I give Kudos to them for stepping up their non con schedule! Either way will prepare them for conference season.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 29, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: formerscot4 on August 29, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
Ready for the season to get started. I think Monmouth could knock off Wheaton. I remember them knocking off Ill Wesleyan in the playoffs. Wartburg would need some things to go their way. I give Kudos to them for stepping up their non con schedule! Either way will prepare them for conference season.

Winning one of those would be big, not just for Monmouth but the MWC. So go win em both! Quit giving the football away so much like they did against Wartburg last year and the Scots got a chance. Then it's smooth sailing through the South till November.

The North will be a bit more of a scrum, but I expect another epic battle vs SNC for the playoffs in November!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2018, 09:09:25 PM
is Grinnell/Lawrence a conference or non-con game?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on August 29, 2018, 09:48:25 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2018, 09:09:25 PM
is Grinnell/Lawrence a conference or non-con game?
I

I believe it is non con
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2018, 08:47:33 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 29, 2018, 09:09:25 PM
is Grinnell/Lawrence a conference or non-con game?

Non-conference game -- only games within the division count in the conference standings.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on August 31, 2018, 01:57:06 PM
Man, wish I could make it Wheaton tomorrow to check out my Scots. Someday maybe they will hook up with Depauw or Wabash or anyone over here. #rollscots
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on August 31, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
Doing some checking on the Scots roster for this year. 109 total  47 Fr, 27 So, 18 Jr, 17 Sr.

Many state represented though.

IL 73
FL 19
TX  5
CA  2
AL  2
CO  2
WA, IN, NJ, MO, GA  1 ea

Quite a few FL kids.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 01, 2018, 06:38:03 PM
Lawrence builds 13-0 lead on Grinnell. Grinnell ties it. LU gets 20-13 win

SNC out gained Aurora 191-106 in the first half but only led 10-7 due to for turnovers. SNC defense plays well and SNC goes on to win 16-7
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 02, 2018, 09:41:43 PM
Overall not a good week for the MWC...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 03, 2018, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 02, 2018, 09:41:43 PM
Overall not a good week for the MWC...

4-6 in out-of-league games. Not awful, but no statement win in there. Guess I had higher hopes too.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 04, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
The Lawrence win might have been costly. Two promising first year guys went down with what looked to be major injuries.

Also, the umpire was knocked out on a pass play. And he actually returned to action a couple of drives later.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 08, 2018, 04:43:48 PM
Good Guys get back on track with a 24-18 win over #13 Wartburg.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2018, 11:19:03 PM
Well dammit. SNC loses to a WIAC in 2OT for the second consecutive year, this time 30-23 to Eau Claire

SNC was down 0-16 at half. Got a TD and went for 2 - which, I guess I get because if you aren't scoring, it makes it a one-score game - but didn't convert. That makes it 16-6 EC

SNC evntually tied it on a FG with just seconds left, so 16-16 into OT. But if they had kicked earlier, could have been for the win. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But just adds to the disappointment.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 09, 2018, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 08, 2018, 04:43:48 PM
Good Guys get back on track with a 24-18 win over #13 Wartburg.

HUUUGE win!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 09, 2018, 08:47:34 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 08, 2018, 11:19:03 PM
Well dammit. SNC loses to a WIAC in 2OT for the second consecutive year, this time 30-23 to Eau Claire

SNC was down 0-16 at half. Got a TD and went for 2 - which, I guess I get because if you aren't scoring, it makes it a one-score game - but didn't convert. That makes it 16-6 EC

SNC evntually tied it on a FG with just seconds left, so 16-16 into OT. But if they had kicked earlier, could have been for the win. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But just adds to the disappointment.

Gotta go for 2 there, especially with how ineffective the offense had been to that point. EC sure tried its best to give that game away though.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on September 11, 2018, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: WW on August 29, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: formerscot4 on August 29, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
Ready for the season to get started. I think Monmouth could knock off Wheaton. I remember them knocking off Ill Wesleyan in the playoffs. Wartburg would need some things to go their way. I give Kudos to them for stepping up their non con schedule! Either way will prepare them for conference season.

Winning one of those would be big, not just for Monmouth but the MWC. So go win em both! Quit giving the football away so much like they did against Wartburg last year and the Scots got a chance. Then it's smooth sailing through the South till November.

The North will be a bit more of a scrum, but I expect another epic battle vs SNC for the playoffs in November!



Well, we got one of the two, which is good! A good win for the conference profile also. Not sure what to make of north at this point.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 11, 2018, 04:23:05 PM
At this point I don't see much of a challenge from the North.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on September 13, 2018, 12:34:39 PM
With the bye week happening not much to go on. Looking forward though to seeing the results in the cross division games to how teams are faring. A lot can change in two weeks.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 17, 2018, 01:56:46 PM
FormerScot posted a roster breakdown for Monmouth a few weeks ago. In an effort to avoid work I did a quick tally for Lawrence (I only went by class not by state).

First year 28
Sophomore 17
Juniors 12
Senior 4

LU's first year class totaled 425 this year. Methinks I see the problem...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 17, 2018, 05:05:31 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 17, 2018, 01:56:46 PM
FormerScot posted a roster breakdown for Monmouth a few weeks ago. In an effort to avoid work I did a quick tally for Lawrence (I only went by class not by state).

First year 28
Sophomore 17
Juniors 12
Senior 4

LU's first year class totaled 425 this year. Methinks I see the problem...

That's 10 more than they had last season!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 18, 2018, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 17, 2018, 01:56:46 PM
FormerScot posted a roster breakdown for Monmouth a few weeks ago. In an effort to avoid work I did a quick tally for Lawrence (I only went by class not by state).

First year 28
Sophomore 17
Juniors 12
Senior 4

LU's first year class totaled 425 this year. Methinks I see the problem...

Grinnell will bring fewer players on its entire roster (38) than SNC has freshmen Saturday. But the Pioneers are a scrappy bunch
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 02:14:04 PM
 Not the start Grinnell wanted.  SNC drove down the field for its first touchdown. Grinnell bobbled the snap on the punt on the ensuing drive and snc recovered for a touchdown in the end zone. 14-0 very early
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 02:22:43 PM
SNC touchdowns: 3
Grinnell total yards: -15
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 02:26:24 PM
SNC intercepted, returns for TD. 28-0 with 5:02 left in the first
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 02:30:24 PM
Oh my god. Pioneers snapped past the quarterback. SNC recovered in endzone for a TD. 35-0

It's not even funny.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 03:58:57 PM
77-0

SNC has five defensive touchdowns.
Grinnell has three first downs.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 04:46:04 PM
SNC wins 91-0. But...

SNC used three quarterbacks who attempted 11 passes. SNC used 10 different running backs.

SNC had five defensive touchdowns, four of which were Grinnell fumbles in:near the endzone.

Grinnell had four first downs. And -18 yards rushing.

Total offense 474-49
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 22, 2018, 05:23:00 PM
Lake Forest wins a wild ending one 35-34.  4 lead changes in the last 5 or 6 minutes.  Lawrence was up by 6 with I think 5 minutes left.  Pinned Lake Forest on their own 1 yard line.  LFC went 99 yards to go up by 1.  Lawrence comes back and scores with about 30 seconds left.  Down by 6, LFC goes another 60 yards or so and scores.  Dead ball penalty on the scoring play.  Pushed LFC back 10 more yard for the extra.  They kick it and win....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 22, 2018, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 04:46:04 PM
SNC wins 91-0. But...

SNC used three quarterbacks who attempted 11 passes. SNC used 10 different running backs.

SNC had five defensive touchdowns, four of which were Grinnell fumbles in:near the endzone.

Grinnell had four first downs. And -18 yards rushing.

Total offense 474-49

I'm so glad you were there and are posting about the game, because something stinks here.... 

I went to the MWC website to get a quick review of the scores.  The caption of underneath this games states, "Slager [of GC] breaks school record for unassisted tackles in game at St. Norbert." 

EXCUSE ME??? Not a caption related to the lopsidedness of the win (or loss) or SNC's gaudy stat line,  but about a Grinnell player setting a school record????  Did an Arsenault write that??  Puckfan, please tell us: Is it possible that Grinnell threw this game in order for one individual to get a school record?  Your recap above would indicate that either there was no fight at all by GC, or that Trinity Bible College must have come to the Grinnell game with only 11 players who had to play every down with a bible in their hand. 

Signed,

Scottie the skeptic
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 10:34:57 PM
I can't imagine they threw the game. SNC rushed 50 times so it makes some sense that tackles weren't more spread out among the secondary.

The two early turnovers just totally threw the Pioneers. The wheels cane off. And the turnovers - other than the long interception return - were really easy scores for SNC.

Overall it was the SNC d-line that won the game. Just too much pressure that didn't allow Grinnell to get anything going on offense. No running attack. Little passing.

The score was embarrassing but SNC emptied the bench. All 100+ players got in. As noted, 10 different people carried the ball. More than two dozen players had defense stats
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 10:55:14 PM
And congrats to the SNC kicker for setting an NCAA record by becoming the first kicker to go 13-13 on extra points.

The record was 13 - but the previous guy was 13 of 14
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 11:02:08 PM
Oh and Grinnell won time of possession. Showing how utterly inconsequential that stat was today
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 23, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 22, 2018, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 22, 2018, 04:46:04 PM
SNC wins 91-0. But...

SNC used three quarterbacks who attempted 11 passes. SNC used 10 different running backs.

SNC had five defensive touchdowns, four of which were Grinnell fumbles in:near the endzone.

Grinnell had four first downs. And -18 yards rushing.

Total offense 474-49

I'm so glad you were there and are posting about the game, because something stinks here.... 

I went to the MWC website to get a quick review of the scores.  The caption of underneath this games states, "Slager [of GC] breaks school record for unassisted tackles in game at St. Norbert." 

EXCUSE ME??? Not a caption related to the lopsidedness of the win (or loss) or SNC's gaudy stat line,  but about a Grinnell player setting a school record????  Did an Arsenault write that??  Puckfan, please tell us: Is it possible that Grinnell threw this game in order for one individual to get a school record?  Your recap above would indicate that either there was no fight at all by GC, or that Trinity Bible College must have come to the Grinnell game with only 11 players who had to play every down with a bible in their hand. 

Signed,

Scottie the skeptic

No stink. Grinnell had about 30 suited up. SNC had Oshkosh jv today so they really couldn't burn the bench. They sent the D a little hard but whaddaya supposed to do? Stop trying?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 24, 2018, 10:06:09 AM
Anyone watching Grinnell the last few years knows they did not throw the game. And I realize hyperbole was being used.

Reality in the conference is that Monmouth and SNC are at the top of their divisions. LFC and Chicago come next. Macalester, Ripon, IC, are the next level. Cornell could be in that group or the next one down that includes Knox and LU. Grinnell and Beloit are the bottom.

As a Lawrence guy I am just pleased that we have moved out of the absolute bottom group. Maybe I will live long enough to see a contender again. One stop. One stop in the fourth quarter was all I wanted...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 24, 2018, 05:21:07 PM
Thanks, All.  Scottie is a skeptic-no-more.  The four lost fumbles in/near the end zone just had me tilted for a bit.  Maybe my beef should be directed to whomever wrote the game's summary on the website.  (But, still, how bad must Trinity Bible be.....?)   :o

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 25, 2018, 06:49:08 AM
Judge, I am with you after watching/being attached to Lake Forest for the last 7 to 8 years.  We were at the bottom then also.  It shows that teams, with proper coaching and support, can pull themselves out of the cellar. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 25, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
fulbakdad my greatest beef these days is what I perceive as limited support from alumni. The historic refrain was if you support the team we will help. Well, the alumni support has not met costs. Sadly, this is not limited to sports.

Meanwhile, I revel in memories of 1986...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 25, 2018, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 24, 2018, 05:21:07 PM
Thanks, All.  Scottie is a skeptic-no-more.  The four lost fumbles in/near the end zone just had me tilted for a bit.  Maybe my beef should be directed to whomever wrote the game's summary on the website.  (But, still, how bad must Trinity Bible be.....?)   :o

Good enough to beat Lewis-Clark Valley in their hoco game Saturday...

Judge, I think you're right about alumni support, and the resulting pressure on administration to commit to athletic success. Does that kind of alumni base exist at Lawrence or Grinnell? I don't know. Based on what I know about Grinnell's admission standards, academic programs and student populace, my guess is no. Half that student body probably doesn't know or care that they have a football team, and won't care any more or less 10 or 20 years from now when they're in a position to support the institution.

The program I have my eye on is Ripon. Lots of new stuff at Ripon. They reworked their cost/tuition structure to make it apples-to-apples more attractive than comparable privates. And they put efforts into recruiting that far surpass what they've done in the past. Each of those initiatives involved significant cost. The results? 47 freshman football players. That's huge. I would expect to see further validation of their financial commitment to athletic success in W-L records in the coming years.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 25, 2018, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: WW on September 25, 2018, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 24, 2018, 05:21:07 PM
Thanks, All.  Scottie is a skeptic-no-more.  The four lost fumbles in/near the end zone just had me tilted for a bit.  Maybe my beef should be directed to whomever wrote the game's summary on the website.  (But, still, how bad must Trinity Bible be.....?)   :o

Good enough to beat Lewis-Clark Valley in their hoco game Saturday...


Three cheers to TBC football on the 21-20 win.  Combined score in TBC's three previous losses: 182-6. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: UWO Titan 78 on September 25, 2018, 12:13:29 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 22, 2018, 05:23:00 PM
Lake Forest wins a wild ending one 35-34.  4 lead changes in the last 5 or 6 minutes.  Lawrence was up by 6 with I think 5 minutes left.  Pinned Lake Forest on their own 1 yard line.  LFC went 99 yards to go up by 1.  Lawrence comes back and scores with about 30 seconds left.  Down by 6, LFC goes another 60 yards or so and scores.  Dead ball penalty on the scoring play.  Pushed LFC back 10 more yard for the extra.  They kick it and win....

I didn't see the game, but if I read the box score correctly the Lawrence coach opted to kick the PAT rather than going for two to make this a 7-point game with a minute to play. Could the coach have been worried that if he went for two and it was returned against him, LF would only need a field goal to tie? Up 5 with a minute left, you have to go for two, don't you?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2018, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 25, 2018, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: WW on September 25, 2018, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: scottie on September 24, 2018, 05:21:07 PM
Thanks, All.  Scottie is a skeptic-no-more.  The four lost fumbles in/near the end zone just had me tilted for a bit.  Maybe my beef should be directed to whomever wrote the game's summary on the website.  (But, still, how bad must Trinity Bible be.....?)   :o

Good enough to beat Lewis-Clark Valley in their hoco game Saturday...


Lewis-Clark Valley is a club program, if that helps for understanding of that game.

Three cheers to TBC football on the 21-20 win.  Combined score in TBC's three previous losses: 182-6.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 25, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
Titan, I would have.  But I'm a retired LEO, not a college coach!  lol.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 29, 2018, 03:39:22 PM
Monmouth leading Lawrence 35-0 at the half.

SNC beat Knox 34-0

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 29, 2018, 08:50:38 PM
Congrats to GC's Slager for his many tackles in a nail biter. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 01, 2018, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: UWO Titan 78 on September 25, 2018, 12:13:29 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 22, 2018, 05:23:00 PM
Lake Forest wins a wild ending one 35-34.  4 lead changes in the last 5 or 6 minutes.  Lawrence was up by 6 with I think 5 minutes left.  Pinned Lake Forest on their own 1 yard line.  LFC went 99 yards to go up by 1.  Lawrence comes back and scores with about 30 seconds left.  Down by 6, LFC goes another 60 yards or so and scores.  Dead ball penalty on the scoring play.  Pushed LFC back 10 more yard for the extra.  They kick it and win....

I didn't see the game, but if I read the box score correctly the Lawrence coach opted to kick the PAT rather than going for two to make this a 7-point game with a minute to play. Could the coach have been worried that if he went for two and it was returned against him, LF would only need a field goal to tie? Up 5 with a minute left, you have to go for two, don't you?

The call from the sideline was to go for two but there was apparently some confusion on the field. LU is not big enough, no fast enough, and not experienced enough. Yet.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 01, 2018, 11:32:23 AM
WW, there is an alumni base for football but... Lots of talk right up to the point that actual money is involved. For most on the board LU has never been a football power. There was a time, however, when Lawrence played good football. They won a playoff game in 1981 and lost in the second round to a Dayton team that was a season removed from D2. Bunch of conference championships in the 60s. But the institution did not keep up with D3 athletics for a long time and this is where we are now. The current administration has improved the commitment now it is time for the talk to end and the payment to start. And maybe showing up a Saturday or two. We will see.

I am happy to see Ripon bring in so many first year players. I hope the same carried over to the rest of the class. I know Beloit this year was under their hoped-for admissions by more than 100. That is not a good sign for football or the school itself. Ripon has missed its class several times in the last five years. Lawrence did last year. Football is one thing; continued existence is another.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on October 01, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2018, 08:50:38 PM
Congrats to GC's Slager for his many tackles in a nail biter.

I LOL'd pretty good at this one, well done.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 01, 2018, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 01, 2018, 11:32:23 AM
WW, there is an alumni base for football but... Lots of talk right up to the point that actual money is involved. For most on the board LU has never been a football power. There was a time, however, when Lawrence played good football. They won a playoff game in 1981 and lost in the second round to a Dayton team that was a season removed from D2. Bunch of conference championships in the 60s. But the institution did not keep up with D3 athletics for a long time and this is where we are now. The current administration has improved the commitment now it is time for the talk to end and the payment to start. And maybe showing up a Saturday or two. We will see.

I am happy to see Ripon bring in so many first year players. I hope the same carried over to the rest of the class. I know Beloit this year was under their hoped-for admissions by more than 100. That is not a good sign for football or the school itself. Ripon has missed its class several times in the last five years. Lawrence did last year. Football is one thing; continued existence is another.

There are more theater and art majors at Lawrence than there are phy ed majors. In fact, there are no phy ed majors, or exercise science, or others similar that might draw a kid like that whose major is in alignment with sports participation. I'd love to see Lawrence or Beloit get competitive again, but that's gonna be tough.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2018, 08:55:11 PM
Quote from: WW on October 01, 2018, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 01, 2018, 11:32:23 AM


There are more theater and art majors at Lawrence than there are phy ed majors. In fact, there are no phy ed majors, or exercise science, or others similar that might draw a kid like that whose major is in alignment with sports participation. I'd love to see Lawrence or Beloit get competitive again, but that's gonna be tough.

Nothing stereotypical about that.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on October 01, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2018, 08:50:38 PM
Congrats to GC's Slager for his many tackles in a nail biter.

I LOL'd pretty good at this one, well done.

SOMEBODY finally gets me..... ;D 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 02, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
Oh, scottie, don't look at the defensive player of the week this week. For your well being, it will make your head ache...Shaking my own head, honestly.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2018, 02:21:27 PM
Thanks for the tip, JT!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on October 05, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 02, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
Oh, scottie, don't look at the defensive player of the week this week. For your well being, it will make your head ache...Shaking my own head, honestly.

Hey, someone has to get all the tackles in a blowout loss...

It's not like 3 teams had shutouts last weekend... oh wait...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 06, 2018, 04:24:42 PM
SNC beats Ripon 30-17 but it wasn't that close.

Even being down by 14 very early in the third, RC completed only five passes all day. Not the way to come back when down and the running game is only moderately effective
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2018, 05:54:02 PM
Monmouth beats Grinnell 55-0.  The score probably doesn't tell the REAL story of the game, however.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 08, 2018, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 06, 2018, 04:24:42 PM
SNC beats Ripon 30-17 but it wasn't that close.

Even being down by 14 very early in the third, RC completed only five passes all day. Not the way to come back when down and the running game is only moderately effective

I won't blame RC for that. It's what their strength is. Patton's gonna beat you with his feet before he beats you with his arm. Hope he's OK, by the way...

Nice to see SNC finally go downfield to their All-American, Staehling.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
SNC leads Chicago 21/7 with 7:00 left. SNC has turned it over twice deep in maroons territory or this could over
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2018, 04:27:59 PM
Chicago Converted on one of those turnovers to make it 21-14.

uC Stopped SNC got the ball back, got the touchdown, but Saint Norbert blocked the extra point. SNC leads 21-20 with 102 remaining.

SNC recovered the onside kick.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 13, 2018, 04:37:01 PM
SNC wins 21-20
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 14, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
Nice business trip for Monmouth this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 15, 2018, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 14, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
Nice business trip for Monmouth this weekend.

They'll have nuthin but business trips till Nov 10. So will Norby.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DoubleO on October 16, 2018, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: scottie on September 29, 2018, 08:50:38 PM
Congrats to GC's Slager for his many tackles in a nail biter.
Sarcasm aside, GC's Ryan Slager is set to break the DIII record for career tackles. Impressive accomplishment.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 16, 2018, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: WW on October 15, 2018, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 14, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
Nice business trip for Monmouth this weekend.

They'll have nuthin but business trips till Nov 10. So will Norby.

"Not so fast my friend!"  :)  They're next two games are at home.  Only remaining bus ride is a few miles down Hwy 34 for some Turkey business.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 19, 2018, 10:53:38 AM
Okay, here's the match-ups for 10/20:

LFC @ Grinnell (LFC moves to 3-0 in the division while Slager records 3-0 tackles)
UofC @ Beloit (Chicago keeps hope alive with a W)
IC @ KC (Blue Boys grasping to keep season relevant with a the win on the road)
Cornell @ Monmouth (The train keeps rollin' for the Good Guys)
MAC @ Ripon (Ladies and Gentleman, I give you the GOW.)  You pick 'em.
SNC @ Larry (Upset alert!  Just kidding.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 19, 2018, 11:22:00 AM
I think you're 6-for-6 there Scottie, including the coin flip game. I'd sure like to know Ripon qb Patton's status before calling that one.

"Upset alert..." ha! That's the trouble with this league. so predictable...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 19, 2018, 03:53:59 PM
"Upset alert" would not have been prediction at the start of the year. After apparently leaving all they had against Lake Forest, and a pile of injuries Lawrence now hopes for a win against Beloit next week.

I had hopes this would be the year where Lawrence could crawl into the middle tier. I was wrong. Very, very wrong.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 21, 2018, 08:25:15 PM
So, serious question here.....  GC's Slager "shatters" the DIII tackle record on Saturday, while the team is winless in the MWC and riding a five-game stretch where they've been outscored 251-14.  What is the mood in the locker room after the game?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 21, 2018, 10:15:36 PM
SNC can take a major step towards the North title with a win against Macalester this week in De Pere. SNC plays Beloit to close out the regular season.

And the South title will also likely be decided, as Lake Forest travels to Monmouth.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: bluenote on October 22, 2018, 11:35:39 PM
What ever happened to that school that had a great Library and Cafeteria?  :o
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 23, 2018, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 21, 2018, 10:15:36 PM
SNC can take a major step towards the North title with a win against Macalester this week in De Pere. SNC plays Beloit to close out the regular season.

And the South title will also likely be decided, as Lake Forest travels to Monmouth.

Some very early "what-iffing"... Presume SNC and Monmouth win out to set up title game at SNC. If SNC wins, does Monmouth still get an at-large into the tournament at 8-2? I know MWC rarely gets two bids and 2-loss invites are also rare but the Scots' win over Wartburg continues to sparkle after the Knights put a whuppin on Central. A loss to Wheaton, but Wheaton is tracking toward 8-2, so not a bad loss. I think they'd belong in the conversation.

An SNC loss, however, almost certainly ends their season at 8-2. There would be no quality wins on their resume. Not to mention, that loss to 3-4 Eau Claire left a mark. SNC must be MWC champion to move on.

If Monmouth gets in at 9-1, I think they'd get a winnable home game first round before they'd get fed to Whitewater or St Johns.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
If an 8-2 team goes it will be someone with a stronger schedule and not someone with a hypothetical loss to St. Norbert.

The win against Wartburg is nice but Wartburg has two losses and I'm not sure they'll be regionally ranked.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 23, 2018, 03:55:24 PM
I agree with Pat on this topic. The MWC is not strong enough to dream of two bids.

I watched the first half of the SNC at LU game last Saturday. The final score was predictable but SNC really did not impress on offense. Why are they trying the triple option?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 23, 2018, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 23, 2018, 03:55:24 PM
I agree with Pat on this topic. The MWC is not strong enough to dream of two bids.

I watched the first half of the SNC at LU game last Saturday. The final score was predictable but SNC really did not impress on offense. Why are they trying the triple option?

True, but I like that Monmouth has committed to a challenging N-C slate and I'm guessing will have Wheaton again for a home-and-home next year. They win both out-of-league games in the future and they might earn a level of playoff insurance should they not win the league.

Regarding the SNC offense, my guess is because there's a new OC who's running his thing and it fits the QB's skill set. Rhodes is not the kind of passer they've had in that position in the past. Staehling, their pre-season All-American WR, is only averaging half the yardage per game he did last year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2018, 04:36:56 PM
SNC holds on to beat Macalester 17–15. A win next week against Beloit sends SNC to the title game.

Lawrence beats Beloit 32-27

Monmouth beats LFC 30-3


IC leads poor Grinnell 55-7 with 8:29 left

Cornell beats Knox 22-7




Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 27, 2018, 11:10:47 PM
apparently today's action locks in the title game: Monmouth at SNC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 28, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
'Fan: How did the Knights look to you on Saturday?  Looking at Mac as a worthy opponent comparison, I'm wondering if Monmouth's 37-0 win (vs 17-15) means anything.  Probably not.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 29, 2018, 10:03:23 AM
I did not see Monmouth play this season, and I only held out for a one half of the SNC at LU game (must wear more clothes in the wind). That title game is at DePere but I would still pick Monmouth. SNC has not really dominated this season (let's just toss that Grinnell game as not good football) as they have in other years. The offense never seems to really click. D is pretty good. Monmouth has pretty much stepped on most of their conference opponents.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on October 29, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 28, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
'Fan: How did the Knights look to you on Saturday?  Looking at Mac as a worthy opponent comparison, I'm wondering if Monmouth's 37-0 win (vs 17-15) means anything.  Probably not.

It seems more like it was a matchup thing. SNC's defense is for real, but the offense is totally stagnant (they run the triple option for gods sake, despite having an All-American wideout, as well as many other talented pass catchers) and relies for the defense to get them the ball in the opponents territory to do anything. Macalester came out throwing well in the second half, only for some drives to stall near the red zone. I think the title game will ultimately come down to the wire, but I don't know if the SNC offense will be able to muster anything if the defense is not playing absolutely lights out.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 01, 2018, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on October 29, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 28, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
'Fan: How did the Knights look to you on Saturday?  Looking at Mac as a worthy opponent comparison, I'm wondering if Monmouth's 37-0 win (vs 17-15) means anything.  Probably not.

It seems more like it was a matchup thing. SNC's defense is for real, but the offense is totally stagnant (they run the triple option for gods sake, despite having an All-American wideout, as well as many other talented pass catchers) and relies for the defense to get them the ball in the opponents territory to do anything. Macalester came out throwing well in the second half, only for some drives to stall near the red zone. I think the title game will ultimately come down to the wire, but I don't know if the SNC offense will be able to muster anything if the defense is not playing absolutely lights out.

The best SNC can hope for is another 9-6 type game like last year's, hope the D gets them short fields, and hope Thomson-Meyers' big leg can be a difference maker. Otherwise it's hard to see them scoring a touchdown on Monmouth.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 01, 2018, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: WW on November 01, 2018, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on October 29, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 28, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
'Fan: How did the Knights look to you on Saturday?  Looking at Mac as a worthy opponent comparison, I'm wondering if Monmouth's 37-0 win (vs 17-15) means anything.  Probably not.

It seems more like it was a matchup thing. SNC's defense is for real, but the offense is totally stagnant (they run the triple option for gods sake, despite having an All-American wideout, as well as many other talented pass catchers) and relies for the defense to get them the ball in the opponents territory to do anything. Macalester came out throwing well in the second half, only for some drives to stall near the red zone. I think the title game will ultimately come down to the wire, but I don't know if the SNC offense will be able to muster anything if the defense is not playing absolutely lights out.

The best SNC can hope for is another 9-6 type game like last year's, hope the D gets them short fields, and hope Thomson-Meyers' big leg can be a difference maker. Otherwise it's hard to see them scoring a touchdown on Monmouth.

I think you hit the nail right on the head. STM will be the X factor, here. Monmouth will have a tough time running the ball, so if (and this is a big IF) the pass D can step up, SNC could see relatively short fields on offense. Special teams always seems to win these types of games, and having a kicker being looked at by NFL scouts isn't a bad thing when you need clutch field goals. Final will be 13-10 SNC, IMO.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 02, 2018, 05:30:18 PM
The 130th Bronze Turkey game! Throwback Jersey from the 100th game. Roll Scots!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 03, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
Pat Coleman:  Please log on to the Monmouth game and look at the camera quality from the host team.  Is this really acceptable?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 03, 2018, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 03, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
Pat Coleman:  Please log on to the Monmouth game and look at the camera quality from the host team.  Is this really acceptable?

Horrible, lost feed several times.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 06, 2018, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 01, 2018, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: WW on November 01, 2018, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on October 29, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 28, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
'Fan: How did the Knights look to you on Saturday?  Looking at Mac as a worthy opponent comparison, I'm wondering if Monmouth's 37-0 win (vs 17-15) means anything.  Probably not.

It seems more like it was a matchup thing. SNC's defense is for real, but the offense is totally stagnant (they run the triple option for gods sake, despite having an All-American wideout, as well as many other talented pass catchers) and relies for the defense to get them the ball in the opponents territory to do anything. Macalester came out throwing well in the second half, only for some drives to stall near the red zone. I think the title game will ultimately come down to the wire, but I don't know if the SNC offense will be able to muster anything if the defense is not playing absolutely lights out.

The best SNC can hope for is another 9-6 type game like last year's, hope the D gets them short fields, and hope Thomson-Meyers' big leg can be a difference maker. Otherwise it's hard to see them scoring a touchdown on Monmouth.

I think you hit the nail right on the head. STM will be the X factor, here. Monmouth will have a tough time running the ball, so if (and this is a big IF) the pass D can step up, SNC could see relatively short fields on offense. Special teams always seems to win these types of games, and having a kicker being looked at by NFL scouts isn't a bad thing when you need clutch field goals. Final will be 13-10 SNC, IMO.

I think the Scots win this game comfortably enough, presuming Wright is healthy. And given that he had a reasonably full workload against Knox, I'm guessing he is. That said, this MC team is hardly an offensive juggernaut if Wright is contained. Force them to pass and that's a huge swing in SNC's favor. MC couldn't get it done through the air vs the two quality defenses they faced in their NC games. I don't see them lighting up SNC through the air either.

As for SNC offense, short fields will sure help. Both the NC teams MC faced had big air games, but SNC just doesn't, even with a preseason AA WR. So it'll have to be ground and pound for the Knights, who may be dinged up at RB? In any case, they sure have a bunch of guys getting carries, although maybe that's a product of just trying to spread the wealth and keep guys healthy vs injuries forcing them deep into their depth chart.

So I'll go with 14-3, Scots. But SNC's got a puncher's chance, for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: formerscot4 on November 03, 2018, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 03, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
Pat Coleman:  Please log on to the Monmouth game and look at the camera quality from the host team.  Is this really acceptable?

Horrible, lost feed several times.

Sorry -- wasn't watching this board on game day but I know Stretch Internet had a ton of issues on Saturday. The camera quality isn't Stretch's issue but losing the feed is.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerscot4 on November 06, 2018, 12:46:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: formerscot4 on November 03, 2018, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 03, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
Pat Coleman:  Please log on to the Monmouth game and look at the camera quality from the host team.  Is this really acceptable?



Horrible, lost feed several times.

Sorry -- wasn't watching this board on game day but I know Stretch Internet had a ton of issues on Saturday. The camera quality isn't Stretch's issue but losing the feed is.


The worst part was the camera placement and view.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 06, 2018, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: WW on October 23, 2018, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 23, 2018, 03:55:24 PM
I agree with Pat on this topic. The MWC is not strong enough to dream of two bids.

True, but I like that Monmouth has committed to a challenging N-C slate and I'm guessing will have Wheaton again for a home-and-home next year. They win both out-of-league games in the future and they might earn a level of playoff insurance should they not win the league.

Agree with Pat as well, but also agreed that I like Monmouth's approach to this. If they could get SNC to go along with it, it could give them a shot at a Pool C sometime down the road. It would boost both their profiles, both their SOS, and in a year like this, means they are really only playing 2-3 difficult games during the year.

If they beat the ARC champ and a CCIW, MIAC, or WIAC champ/contender, it gives them a chance at Pool C, and really does nothing to hurt them. If they win those NonCon games and the MWC, they still get the Pool A, but now have a resume that might get them a few games at home. If they lose one of those NonCon games, they can still have a shot at the Pool A, and nothing is really lost, except maybe a 1st rd home game. 2-1 vs. RRO's will only happen in this type of world and offsets SOS, which is out of a teams control to a greater degree.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 06, 2018, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 06, 2018, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: WW on October 23, 2018, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 23, 2018, 03:55:24 PM
I agree with Pat on this topic. The MWC is not strong enough to dream of two bids.

True, but I like that Monmouth has committed to a challenging N-C slate and I'm guessing will have Wheaton again for a home-and-home next year. They win both out-of-league games in the future and they might earn a level of playoff insurance should they not win the league.

Agree with Pat as well, but also agreed that I like Monmouth's approach to this. If they could get SNC to go along with it, it could give them a shot at a Pool C sometime down the road. It would boost both their profiles, both their SOS, and in a year like this, means they are really only playing 2-3 difficult games during the year.

If they beat the ARC champ and a CCIW, MIAC, or WIAC champ/contender, it gives them a chance at Pool C, and really does nothing to hurt them. If they win those NonCon games and the MWC, they still get the Pool A, but now have a resume that might get them a few games at home. If they lose one of those NonCon games, they can still have a shot at the Pool A, and nothing is really lost, except maybe a 1st rd home game. 2-1 vs. RRO's will only happen in this type of world and offsets SOS, which is out of a teams control to a greater degree.

Makes sense but I don't think SNC's on board. Per their website, they have second half of home-and-homes with Aurora and UWEC next season, then start home-and-homes for 2020 and 2021 vs Loras and Stout. Barring some radical unforeseen change in profile for those programs, wins in those games won't give them a chance should they need one in pool C.

Chicago played teams (Washington, Simpson) that at least had potential to raise the Maroons' profile. They lost those games, but gave themselves a shot at being in the conversation. They don't list their future schedules like SNC does but they do show a propensity for scheduling "up" in their NC games.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 07, 2018, 04:19:53 PM
Don't mind us, Pat.  I've got it....   ;D

Regional rankings:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 07, 2018, 05:51:38 PM
Again this year, I forward my support over to Monmouth for this week coming up.  Only for 1 week, and then again I pull my support back to LFC!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 08, 2018, 12:18:25 PM
DAD:  On behalf of the Fighting Scots Bandwagon Club, your annual membership has been renewed for 2018. Thank you! We look forward to providing you excellent service and hope we can count on your continued interest again next year.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 08, 2018, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 08, 2018, 12:18:25 PM
DAD:  On behalf of the Fighting Scots Bandwagon Club, your annual membership has been renewed for 2018. Thank you! We look forward to providing you excellent service and hope we can count on your continued interest again next year.  ;D

And here I thought all this time fulbakdad was the President of the St. Norbert Fan Club...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 08, 2018, 05:00:12 PM
Expect a sunshiny snow globe up at Schneider Stadium Saturday. Couple inches leftover from Friday will be blowing around in a strong westerly crosswind. Sunburn or windburn, fans will be red, and not necessarily bc they support the Scots. Dress warm!

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 08, 2018, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 08, 2018, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 08, 2018, 12:18:25 PM
DAD:  On behalf of the Fighting Scots Bandwagon Club, your annual membership has been renewed for 2018. Thank you! We look forward to providing you excellent service and hope we can count on your continued interest again next year.  ;D

And here I thought all this time fulbakdad was the President of the St. Norbert Fan Club...

I think the saying goes, "I'd rather my sister ....."
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 10, 2018, 02:18:06 PM
SNC jumps out to a 10-0 lead off of a pick 6 early in the first...very interesting contest in De Pere
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2018, 02:59:55 PM
Strangely, it feels fortunate to just be down 10-0 at Half.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 10, 2018, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 10, 2018, 02:59:55 PM
Strangely, it feels fortunate to just be down 10-0 at Half.

It's hard to see an offensive touchdown happening in this game, especially from MC. 10-0 might be insurmountable.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 10, 2018, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 10, 2018, 02:59:55 PM
Strangely, it feels fortunate to just be down 10-0 at Half.

That pick Rhodes threw in the endzone before the half was mindboggling...I don't know why we didn't just take the points. I'll be honest, I predicted a 13-10 game, but I thought SNC would back their way into a win as opposed to dominating.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
SNC forces six interceptions on the day, and wins 10-7!

We'll get offered up to a purple power to be sacrificed next week. But that's next week. Enjoying the win!

Time to update the titles list...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 10, 2018, 04:22:29 PM
What a game. WOW. That defense was absolutely suffocating...our NCAA tourney history isn't great, but if we play like this, anything can happen. Props to the Scots for a hell of a game as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2018, 04:33:52 PM
Until today, Nelson threw 7 interceptions all season. Today he threw 6.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 10, 2018, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2018, 04:33:52 PM
Until today, Nelson threw 7 interceptions all season. Today he threw 6.

Those picks were not all necessarily due to negligence, but rather just really good defense....Joe Peterson with 3 of them
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 10, 2018, 04:44:47 PM
Great win for Nubbs! My guess is whitewater since SJU has a nearby sacrificial lamb in Martin Luther. If they could manage to avoid UWW (maybe Eureka goes there?) I like their chances as a 6 or 5 seed equivalent. Well, I like em better anyway.that dang eau Claire game... knew that would leave a mark. Win that one and you could make a case to host a game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 10, 2018, 05:01:18 PM
Congrats to St. Norbert.  I figured the first team to 20 would win, but it only took double-digits.  Tough loss for MC, obviously, but I hope SNC gets a 50/50 match-up for the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 10, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
Could make a case for sending Bethel (not a league champ) or Warburg (2 losses, 1 to Monmouth) to SNC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2018, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: WW on November 10, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
Could make a case for sending Bethel (not a league champ) or Warburg (2 losses, 1 to Monmouth) to SNC
While that would be nice, and maybe would have happened if SNC were undefeated, I would be pleased to just play one of those two and avoid UWW or UST
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 10, 2018, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2018, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: WW on November 10, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
Could make a case for sending Bethel (not a league champ) or Warburg (2 losses, 1 to Monmouth) to SNC
While that would be nice, and maybe would have happened if SNC were undefeated, I would be pleased to just play one of those two and avoid UWW or UST

If they do play one of those two, I think the game's gotta be at SNC. Might depend on what they do with Eureka. They'll be somebody's sacrificial lamb. If they're whitewater's, that makes for a tidy West, and potentially a first round home game vs one of those two. But Eureka is a North region team... could see them going to North Central instead.

Monmouth is a quality win. They did SNC a big favor (besides serving them six interceptions) by beating Wartburg in September.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2018, 07:36:14 AM
Scottie, I hereby rescind my annual 2 day Monmouth fan club membership.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 11, 2018, 08:29:58 AM
Pat's projected bracket has SNC at Bethel. One the one hand, it's not Whitewater or SJU. On the other, Bethel's really good...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 11, 2018, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2018, 07:36:14 AM
Scottie, I hereby rescind my annual 2 day Monmouth fan club membership.....

Ah, I see you read the fine print regarding the loophole related to five or more interceptions. We'll try to regain your business next fall.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 05:35:21 PM
Purple Power avoided, SNC gets Trine
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 11, 2018, 05:40:31 PM
And then whitewater ... so not for long. Maybe SNC can substitute a hockey game against Trine?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 11, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
That was unexpected
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 06:57:02 PM
It seems like Trine is a one-man show with Carswell at RB...Will be an interesting matchup against one of the top RBs in the land versus one of the best rush defenses.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 12, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 06:57:02 PM
It seems like Trine is a one-man show with Carswell at RB...Will be an interesting matchup against one of the top RBs in the land versus one of the best rush defenses.

Trine is 10-0 and ranked 13 in the last national poll (will probably climb a tick or two this week) but I can't see anything resembling a quality win on their schedule. This is a winnable matchup for SNC as long as it doesn't turn into a track meet.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2018, 12:11:32 PM
Quote from: WW on November 12, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 11, 2018, 06:57:02 PM
It seems like Trine is a one-man show with Carswell at RB...Will be an interesting matchup against one of the top RBs in the land versus one of the best rush defenses.

Trine is 10-0 and ranked 13 in the last national poll (will probably climb a tick or two this week) but I can't see anything resembling a quality win on their schedule. This is a winnable matchup for SNC as long as it doesn't turn into a track meet.

12 in new poll yesterday.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 12, 2018, 01:26:46 PM
The Monmouth faithful felt the same way last year about Trine.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 12, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2018, 01:26:46 PM
The Monmouth faithful felt the same way last year about Trine.

True, but Carswell has proven to be human. Wartburg held him to 25 yards on 23 carries in the playoffs last year. I'm not sure how our rush defense as a whole stacks up to last year's Wartburg team, but he isn't matchup proof. If Carswell is contained, we win the game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 12, 2018, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 12, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2018, 01:26:46 PM
The Monmouth faithful felt the same way last year about Trine.

True, but Carswell has proven to be human. Wartburg held him to 25 yards on 23 carries in the playoffs last year. I'm not sure how our rush defense as a whole stacks up to last year's Wartburg team, but he isn't matchup proof. If Carswell is contained, we win the game.

Well, you win provided the Norby D puts up some points...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 17, 2018, 12:54:47 PM
SNC D handling the Trine rushing attack, up 14-7 at the half. Trine only scored on a pick 6.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 17, 2018, 01:33:24 PM
SNC running away with this one, 24-7 in the 3rd....yikes
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 17, 2018, 02:13:20 PM
SNC Defense pitches a shutout in Angola, forcing 6 turnovers...SNC 31 - 7.....Whitewater is next and I know our history against them isn't great but with this defense....you never know.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 17, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
Color me impressed. A great job by the defense!

IIRC, second football playoff win for SNC and fourth for the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2018, 10:28:40 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 17, 2018, 12:54:47 PM
SNC D handling the Trine rushing attack, up 14-7 at the half. Trine only scored on a pick 6.

SNC, of all teams, should appreciate the value of a pick 6.   ;)  Congrats on making it to Round 2!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 18, 2018, 06:47:34 AM
Quote from: WW on November 12, 2018, 03:22:43 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 12, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 12, 2018, 01:26:46 PM
The Monmouth faithful felt the same way last year about Trine.

True, but Carswell has proven to be human. Wartburg held him to 25 yards on 23 carries in the playoffs last year. I'm not sure how our rush defense as a whole stacks up to last year's Wartburg team, but he isn't matchup proof. If Carswell is contained, we win the game.

Well, you win provided the Norby D puts up some points...

WW, Break out that crystal ball again and give me next weeks power ball numbers!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 18, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
Hopefully a competent showing next Saturday can at least help the MWC garner a little more respect nationally
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 19, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
A good showing against Whitewater would be awesome but the only respect will be for the top of the conference. Way too ugly at the bottom for national respect.

And I support one of those uglies!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 19, 2018, 11:42:39 AM
Norby would have a puncher's chance if the air game was any kind of threat. But I just don't see any part of this matchup favoring them. Even if D is lights out, they'd basically need to pitch a shutout, not to mention score a td or two. I don't think so.

Even if it is the end of the road for Norby, a playoff win is huge, not only for them but the MWC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 19, 2018, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: WW on November 19, 2018, 11:42:39 AM
Norby would have a puncher's chance if the air game was any kind of threat. But I just don't see any part of this matchup favoring them. Even if D is lights out, they'd basically need to pitch a shutout, not to mention score a td or two. I don't think so.

Even if it is the end of the road for Norby, a playoff win is huge, not only for them but the MWC.

I think it CAN be a threat, we just never use it. We have an All-American WR who just doesn't touch the ball because that's not how our offense operates. I guess we will find out if we can pass, assuming we are probably going to be behind at some point, which we really haven't been all season. The air game might surprise you.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 19, 2018, 12:02:14 PM
Quote from: WW on November 19, 2018, 11:42:39 AM
Norby would have a puncher's chance if the air game was any kind of threat. But I just don't see any part of this matchup favoring them. Even if D is lights out, they'd basically need to pitch a shutout, not to mention score a td or two. I don't think so.

Even if it is the end of the road for Norby, a playoff win is huge, not only for them but the MWC.

Take this for what it's worth. WW said last week Eureka would win 6-3. So St. Norbert fans should feel comfort that WW is picking against you guys.

;)

QuoteYou know what, y'all? I'm feelin the Red Devil love too. Finally, they gonna win that one for the Gipper. Eureka 6, whitewater 3. Who's with me! Let's goooooo!!!

#bedtimeforwhitewater
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 12:19:20 AM
Local news is awful about covering college teams up here, but we finally hear a peep!

https://www.wbay.com/content/sports/SNC-rides-defense-to-2nd-round-of-NCAA-playoffs-500981281.html
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 21, 2018, 12:42:39 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 12:19:20 AM
Local news is awful about covering college teams up here, but we finally hear a peep!

https://www.wbay.com/content/sports/SNC-rides-defense-to-2nd-round-of-NCAA-playoffs-500981281.html

Does that indoor practice facility belong to SNC?  If so, wow.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 01:33:50 AM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 21, 2018, 12:42:39 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 12:19:20 AM
Local news is awful about covering college teams up here, but we finally hear a peep!

https://www.wbay.com/content/sports/SNC-rides-defense-to-2nd-round-of-NCAA-playoffs-500981281.html

Does that indoor practice facility belong to SNC?  If so, wow.

It is actually the Packer's facility. They let the SNC baseball team use it as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 07:06:32 AM
another preview:
https://fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-readies-for-uw-whitewater-in-d3-football-playoffs

Edit: apparently the wrong video was originally clipped to the story ... so I guess it is being fixed. if you saw the Macalester highlights, try again
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 07:08:45 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 12:19:20 AM
Local news is awful about covering college teams up here, but we finally hear a peep!



Most of the stations cover home games. I saw highlights of the Trine game on one station... and I'm pretty sure SNC asked the stations to do the previews yesterday
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Craft_Beermeister on November 21, 2018, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 07:06:32 AM
another preview:
https://fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-readies-for-uw-whitewater-in-d3-football-playoffs

Good luck to Green Knights they have a difficult draw this weekend. Advancing in the playoffs is always makes things exciting this time of year. Cherish the fun and be proud of your team.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on November 21, 2018, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 07:08:45 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 12:19:20 AM
Local news is awful about covering college teams up here, but we finally hear a peep!



Most of the stations cover home games. I saw highlights of the Trine game on one station... and I'm pretty sure SNC asked the stations to do the previews yesterday

I disagree with the assertion that local news doesn't cover St. Norbert. The newspaper, yes, but the television stations do a fine job - especially with the monolith on Lombardi Avenue taking up a lot of time, as it should.

I also didn't ask anyone to do a preview. I just sent out practice availability knowing there would be interest coming off a playoff win. It worked out with practice at the Hutson Center since Tuesday is the off day for the Packers and the media need a fresh story for Tuesday night.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkguard on November 21, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
I can attest to the great TV coverage the local teams get from GB television. WBAY and others have quite a robust sports coverage when I am at the lake near Shawano on many weekends. I live in Milwaukee and there is ZERO, zilch, nada coverage of anything besides the pro teams and the D1 programs. UWW gets a 2 second mention ONLY if they win the Stagg Bowl. We'd rather see the weather 4 times per 30 minutes in Milwaukee I guess...I have ripped a few of the Sprots guys here when I've met them and they say it isn't their call.

I'll be at the game Saturday cheering on my Warhawks. Last time you guys came to the Perk it wasn't pretty. Wait till you see OUR Defense! 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 01:51:52 PM
Quote from: sncsid on November 21, 2018, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 07:08:45 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 12:19:20 AM
Local news is awful about covering college teams up here, but we finally hear a peep!





I also didn't ask anyone to do a preview. I just sent out practice availability knowing there would be interest coming off a playoff win. It worked out with practice at the Hutson Center since Tuesday is the off day for the Packers and the media need a fresh story for Tuesday night.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.... my point was perhaps the reason a story wasn't done Monday wasn't that the media were ignoring SNC, but they knew of the availability on Tuesday
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: warhawkguard on November 21, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
I can attest to the great TV coverage the local teams get from GB television. WBAY and others have quite a robust sports coverage when I am at the lake near Shawano on many weekends. I live in Milwaukee and there is ZERO, zilch, nada coverage of anything besides the pro teams and the D1 programs. UWW gets a 2 second mention ONLY if they win the Stagg Bowl. We'd rather see the weather 4 times per 30 minutes in Milwaukee I guess...I have ripped a few of the Sprots guys here when I've met them and they say it isn't their call.

I'll be at the game Saturday cheering on my Warhawks. Last time you guys came to the Perk it wasn't pretty. Wait till you see OUR Defense!


I mean I think it is disingenuous to call any of the coverage great. One poster mentioned WBAY being good, and out of the stations in the area, they are probably the best, albeit with a low bar to measure up to. This isn't limited to SNC, though. GB Phoenix men's basketball, which I follow very closely, barely gets anything outside of a token mention, even when the team made the tourney in 2016 (though they do have a coaches show once a month, which I believe is on the radio). Even when the Knights get some air time, its typically limited to a 30 second blurb (see the story posted above) only when they are in the NCAA tournament for any sport. I get that the Packers are going to be the dominant story simply because of local interest, but all of the other college teams suffer. How often do you hear about Lawrence? Ripon? UWSP? Occasionally UWO will get a mention, but only when they are over-achieving. The local sports reporting scene also heavily prioritizes high school sports over any D3 school. Some stations will have their HS games of the week televised, they (at least in the past, and may still) have dedicated HS sports segments, etc...

I teach media studies classes, and this fits perfectly with a topic that I make sure to mention every semester: the paradox of news coverage in relation to public interest. For example, "Why does no one care about D3 sports?" "Because no one covers it." "Why does no one cover D3 sports?" "Because no one cares."
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkguard on November 21, 2018, 04:28:38 PM
Totally agree.

But, at least you get some coverage. I see all the Wisconsin college scores covered and maybe UW-O and SNC clips when I do see something. On GB stations, they at least exist. In Milwaukee, absolutely nothing at all. I'd be happy with the various scores on the ticker down below...

Charity walks with 200 some people get 10 minutes of air time...now THAT is something nobody actually cares about, but they have live reporting!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 21, 2018, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: warhawkguard on November 21, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
I can attest to the great TV coverage the local teams get from GB television. WBAY and others have quite a robust sports coverage when I am at the lake near Shawano on many weekends. I live in Milwaukee and there is ZERO, zilch, nada coverage of anything besides the pro teams and the D1 programs. UWW gets a 2 second mention ONLY if they win the Stagg Bowl. We'd rather see the weather 4 times per 30 minutes in Milwaukee I guess...I have ripped a few of the Sprots guys here when I've met them and they say it isn't their call.

I'll be at the game Saturday cheering on my Warhawks. Last time you guys came to the Perk it wasn't pretty. Wait till you see OUR Defense!

I mean I think it is disingenuous to call any of the coverage great. One poster mentioned WBAY being good, and out of the stations in the area, they are probably the best, albeit with a low bar to measure up to. This isn't limited to SNC, though. GB Phoenix men's basketball, which I follow very closely, barely gets anything outside of a token mention, even when the team made the tourney in 2016 (though they do have a coaches show once a month, which I believe is on the radio). Even when the Knights get some air time, its typically limited to a 30 second blurb (see the story posted above) only when they are in the NCAA tournament for any sport. I get that the Packers are going to be the dominant story simply because of local interest, but all of the other college teams suffer. How often do you hear about Lawrence? Ripon? UWSP? Occasionally UWO will get a mention, but only when they are over-achieving. The local sports reporting scene also heavily prioritizes high school sports over any D3 school. Some stations will have their HS games of the week televised, they (at least in the past, and may still) have dedicated HS sports segments, etc...

I teach media studies classes, and this fits perfectly with a topic that I make sure to mention every semester: the paradox of news coverage in relation to public interest. For example, "Why does no one care about D3 sports?" "Because no one covers it." "Why does no one cover D3 sports?" "Because no one cares."

There is also more of a community connection, I would argue, to the high schools. A portion, perhaps a significant portion, of the college student population is from outside the area. And certainly not all alums stay here. While as many people attend Green Bay Preble as go to SNC, I would think it's safe to say there are many more Preble alums and parents living in GB than those of SNC. And, they are likely to be more interested in and know people who go to almost any and all of their opponent schools than SNC's opponents of Monmouth, Knox, Lake Forest, Adrian, and so on. So, almost all of the HS highlights feature two local teams, while SNC/LU/RC/UWO only play each other sparingly, comparatively speaking.

And almost all of the other teams do get more coverage once Packers is done. That absolutely happens.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncsid on November 21, 2018, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 21, 2018, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: warhawkguard on November 21, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
I can attest to the great TV coverage the local teams get from GB television. WBAY and others have quite a robust sports coverage when I am at the lake near Shawano on many weekends. I live in Milwaukee and there is ZERO, zilch, nada coverage of anything besides the pro teams and the D1 programs. UWW gets a 2 second mention ONLY if they win the Stagg Bowl. We'd rather see the weather 4 times per 30 minutes in Milwaukee I guess...I have ripped a few of the Sprots guys here when I've met them and they say it isn't their call.

I'll be at the game Saturday cheering on my Warhawks. Last time you guys came to the Perk it wasn't pretty. Wait till you see OUR Defense!


I mean I think it is disingenuous to call any of the coverage great. One poster mentioned WBAY being good, and out of the stations in the area, they are probably the best, albeit with a low bar to measure up to. This isn't limited to SNC, though. GB Phoenix men's basketball, which I follow very closely, barely gets anything outside of a token mention, even when the team made the tourney in 2016 (though they do have a coaches show once a month, which I believe is on the radio). Even when the Knights get some air time, its typically limited to a 30 second blurb (see the story posted above) only when they are in the NCAA tournament for any sport. I get that the Packers are going to be the dominant story simply because of local interest, but all of the other college teams suffer. How often do you hear about Lawrence? Ripon? UWSP? Occasionally UWO will get a mention, but only when they are over-achieving. The local sports reporting scene also heavily prioritizes high school sports over any D3 school. Some stations will have their HS games of the week televised, they (at least in the past, and may still) have dedicated HS sports segments, etc...

I teach media studies classes, and this fits perfectly with a topic that I make sure to mention every semester: the paradox of news coverage in relation to public interest. For example, "Why does no one care about D3 sports?" "Because no one covers it." "Why does no one cover D3 sports?" "Because no one cares."

It is all relative. Many D3 schools nationally would kill to get the television coverage St. Norbert receives. The MIAC schools in the Twin Cities and the CCIW schools in metro Chicago, for starters. I get the metrics on this every time St. Norbert receives a mention on the airwaves, anywhere. The benefit to the school is significant.

Dan McCarty has been on one Sunday night program twice this season. Tim Coghlin and Gary Grzesk have been on so many times I have lost count. Not to mention almost every St. Norbert home game in FB, MBB, WBB and HKY are staffed by at least one station for a highlights package. 30 seconds of game highlights is a long time in a three-minute overall sports segment where the Packers are in the news 330 days a year.

I've seen SIDs elsewhere beg for just a crumb once in a while and can't even get that. So I prefer to be thankful, and I know our coaches are too.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on November 21, 2018, 05:24:30 PM
Quote from: sncsid on November 21, 2018, 04:40:48 PM
It is all relative. Many D3 schools nationally would kill to get the television coverage St. Norbert receives. The MIAC schools in the Twin Cities and the CCIW schools in metro Chicago, for starters.

I actually think the MIAC gets pretty solid coverage by the local Twin Cities sports media (TV, Print, and Radio). There are consistently stories about small college sports, but disproportionately about the MIAC, compared to UMAC or NSIC teams, IMO.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2018, 06:03:11 PM
Maybe that's a conversation for email, TheGreenKnight920.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 24, 2018, 04:39:48 PM
Congrats to SNC on a great season.

It was a 17-14 game today until UWW cranked it up.  But that doesn't overshadow a conference title and the second playoff win in school history - and just the fourth for the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 24, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
The first half looked really promising. Couple of iffy plays that should have gone our way, but didn't, kind of shifted momentum. Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed by WW. Sure, they racked up points at the end, but we really gave them a game for 3/4s of it. The only real advantage they had was size, which isn't a skill. The SNC crowd really travelled well and the guys played hard till the end. Hopefully this is something the program can build off of to make that next step towards being a contender versus being a usual one-and-done team. Proud of everyone!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 24, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 24, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
The first half looked really promising. Couple of iffy plays that should have gone our way, but didn't, kind of shifted momentum. Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed by WW. Sure, they racked up points at the end, but we really gave them a game for 3/4s of it. The only real advantage they had was size, which isn't a skill. The SNC crowd really travelled well and the guys played hard till the end. Hopefully this is something the program can build off of to make that next step towards being a contender versus being a usual one-and-done team. Proud of everyone!

Definitely a good look for SNC. Needed a perfect game, a dose of luck and a call or two. Best game I saw out of Rhodes, passingwise, but he still missed a few big ones. Staehling-Hasty matchup was fun to watch. Won by Hasty, but both landed punches.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 24, 2018, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 24, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
The first half looked really promising. Couple of iffy plays that should have gone our way, but didn't, kind of shifted momentum. Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed by WW. Sure, they racked up points at the end, but we really gave them a game for 3/4s of it. The only real advantage they had was size, which isn't a skill. The SNC crowd really travelled well and the guys played hard till the end. Hopefully this is something the program can build off of to make that next step towards being a contender versus being a usual one-and-done team. Proud of everyone!

Congratulations to the Green Knights on a good game.  The team played hard and has a number of very good players.

As far as your comments, all i can say is size must be pretty important. Ya'll got mauled for 397 yards rushing and lost by 33 points.  Yes, you gave us a game for three quarters in a down by 20 kind of way (34-14 after 3 qtrs).  I agree with your assessment of St. Norbert, but I think you are selling the Hawks a bit short. Mitchell Dess's TD catch at the end of the first half wasn't skill? Ryan Wisniewski's 40 yard TD run wasn't skill?  Famus Hasty's 48 yard interception return wasn't skill?  What about Alex Peete's 28 yard TD run? Pedestrian?  C'mon man...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 24, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 24, 2018, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 24, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
The first half looked really promising. Couple of iffy plays that should have gone our way, but didn't, kind of shifted momentum. Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed by WW. Sure, they racked up points at the end, but we really gave them a game for 3/4s of it. The only real advantage they had was size, which isn't a skill. The SNC crowd really travelled well and the guys played hard till the end. Hopefully this is something the program can build off of to make that next step towards being a contender versus being a usual one-and-done team. Proud of everyone!

Congratulations to the Green Knights on a good game.  The team played hard and has a number of very good players.

As far as your comments, all i can say is size must be pretty important. Ya'll got mauled for 397 yards rushing and lost by 33 points.  Yes, you gave us a game for three quarters in a down by 20 kind of way (34-14 after 3 qtrs).  I agree with your assessment of St. Norbert, but I think you are selling the Hawks a bit short. Mitchell Dess's TD catch at the end of the first half wasn't skill? Ryan Wisniewski's 40 yard TD run wasn't skill?  Famus Hasty's 48 yard interception return wasn't skill?  What about Alex Peete's 28 yard TD run? Pedestrian?  C'mon man...

I wrote his comment off as a frustrated fan not used to seeing his team get dominated. At least he came on to talk about the game unlike a certain eureka poster.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 24, 2018, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 24, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 24, 2018, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 24, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
The first half looked really promising. Couple of iffy plays that should have gone our way, but didn't, kind of shifted momentum. Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed by WW. Sure, they racked up points at the end, but we really gave them a game for 3/4s of it. The only real advantage they had was size, which isn't a skill. The SNC crowd really travelled well and the guys played hard till the end. Hopefully this is something the program can build off of to make that next step towards being a contender versus being a usual one-and-done team. Proud of everyone!

Congratulations to the Green Knights on a good game.  The team played hard and has a number of very good players.

As far as your comments, all i can say is size must be pretty important. Ya'll got mauled for 397 yards rushing and lost by 33 points.  Yes, you gave us a game for three quarters in a down by 20 kind of way (34-14 after 3 qtrs).  I agree with your assessment of St. Norbert, but I think you are selling the Hawks a bit short. Mitchell Dess's TD catch at the end of the first half wasn't skill? Ryan Wisniewski's 40 yard TD run wasn't skill?  Famus Hasty's 48 yard interception return wasn't skill?  What about Alex Peete's 28 yard TD run? Pedestrian?  C'mon man...

I wrote his comment off as a frustrated fan not used to seeing his team get dominated. At least he came on to talk about the game unlike a certain eureka poster.

Oh, absolutely!  And I felt like his pre-game comments were very reasonable. And I AGREE with him regarding the Green Knights. I thought they were darned impressive!  I don't mind that he wasn't impressed with UW-W. It's true we didn't play one of our better games. But I give St. Norbert credit for that.  It was just the size/skill comment that I was reacting to.  But it's all good.  Nice game, Green Knights and congratulations on an excellent season.  I should have probably left my comments at that.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 24, 2018, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 24, 2018, 10:03:01 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 24, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 24, 2018, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 24, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
The first half looked really promising. Couple of iffy plays that should have gone our way, but didn't, kind of shifted momentum. Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed by WW. Sure, they racked up points at the end, but we really gave them a game for 3/4s of it. The only real advantage they had was size, which isn't a skill. The SNC crowd really travelled well and the guys played hard till the end. Hopefully this is something the program can build off of to make that next step towards being a contender versus being a usual one-and-done team. Proud of everyone!

Congratulations to the Green Knights on a good game.  The team played hard and has a number of very good players.

As far as your comments, all i can say is size must be pretty important. Ya'll got mauled for 397 yards rushing and lost by 33 points.  Yes, you gave us a game for three quarters in a down by 20 kind of way (34-14 after 3 qtrs).  I agree with your assessment of St. Norbert, but I think you are selling the Hawks a bit short. Mitchell Dess's TD catch at the end of the first half wasn't skill? Ryan Wisniewski's 40 yard TD run wasn't skill?  Famus Hasty's 48 yard interception return wasn't skill?  What about Alex Peete's 28 yard TD run? Pedestrian?  C'mon man...

I wrote his comment off as a frustrated fan not used to seeing his team get dominated. At least he came on to talk about the game unlike a certain eureka poster.

Oh, absolutely!  And I felt like his pre-game comments were very reasonable. And I AGREE with him regarding the Green Knights. I thought they were darned impressive!  I don't mind that he wasn't impressed with UW-W. It's true we didn't play one of our better games. But I give St. Norbert credit for that. It was just the size/skill comment that I was reacting to.  But it's all good.  Nice game, Green Knights and congratulations on an excellent season.  I should have probably left my comments at that.

Yeah, that was a eye roll comment.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 25, 2018, 08:55:38 AM
Yep, size matters. Not sure that was a criticism or an observation. SNC ain't tiny, by the way.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 25, 2018, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: WW on November 25, 2018, 08:55:38 AM
Yep, size matters. Not sure that was a criticism or an observation. SNC ain't tiny, by the way.
Not by a long stretch. Their D-Line outweighs UW-W's D-line by an average of 6 pounds per man.  They just usually play with three of them instead of four.  I didn't look up the weight of their O-line, but they didn't look small!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sigma one on November 25, 2018, 07:08:55 PM
OK, so I looked at the game's Box Score and then at the St Norbert roster.  The five O-line starters:  6-2, 300/6-1, 305/6-2, 310/6-5, 285/6-5,290.  The receivers, not real big:  6-3, 190/5-10,185/6-1, 190.  QB:  6-0, 185.  RB:  5-10,190.  TE:  6-3, 220.  The backs and receivers a bit small perhaps, but I see a lot of DIII skill players in their neighborhood.  In the WIAC it always seems like many of the skill guys are larger than average.  But that Green Knight's O-line is certainly good sized.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: warhawkguard on November 26, 2018, 01:36:36 PM
They had the weight, but the look of them showed that it wasn't GOOD weight, as it jiggled a lot. Body composition makes a difference. The UWW defense looked skinny in comparison. Big and fast.

SNC QB made some ridiculous completions, just like are you effing kidding me???? He landed that? WOW. Big QB draw play game them like 40 yards rushing on 1 play didn't it?

I went to the game expecting a triple option offense that could rush the ball but 80 yards surrendered wasn't much. It was that danged halfback to the flat pass, over and over and over. UWW couldn't stop it effectively until late in the game.

UWW after halftime came out with fire in their eyes and really cranked it up.

SNC was much better than I expected to see. Great season.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 07, 2019, 10:39:20 PM
Big Lake Forest news tonight.  Beloit gets OC Ted Soenksen as their new head coach.  Great guy.  Great coach.  Great pick for Beloit.
Lake Forest announces Jim Kiernan as Soensen's replacement.  Came from Concordia Chicago.  Offensive Coordinator from the potent offense in the NACC, 25 years college coaching experience.  Ted will be greatly missed.  But Kiernan is a great replacement!  Awesome for both of them!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 07, 2019, 10:53:31 PM
Scottie,  There was seismic activity reported above the Roops grave this week!  He's finally got the guy leading his ship so he can write some more nonsensical postings about his favorite team!

I believe we are the only 2 left that would be able to connect the dots.

;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
Someone should go have a roopacino at Saints Rest in Grinnell, Iowa, in his honor.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2019, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
Someone should go have a roopacino at Saints Rest in Grinnell, Iowa, in his honor.

Well Played - +k! ;D

(I was in Grinnell 2 years ago en route to my oldest brothers' 50th anniversary in Des Moines.  I could not find Saints Rest - does it still exist?  I very much looked forward to a Roopacino! ;))
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
I haven't been in Grinnell since 2010 or so but it was there then.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2019, 11:31:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
I haven't been in Grinnell since 2010 or so but it was there then.

So was Roop! ;)  AND the owner of Saints Rest, the Grinnell fan whose name I'm blanking on.

Perhaps I simply missed it, but it is NOT a very big town.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 08, 2019, 07:32:48 PM
So did I miss something.  Was Roop a Grinnell fan?  Not a Beloit Fan?  It's been a while....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2019, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on March 08, 2019, 07:32:48 PM
So did I miss something.  Was Roop a Grinnell fan?  Not a Beloit Fan?  It's been a while....

Roop was foremost a Beloit fan, but also secondarily a Grinnell fan (and very much a Saints Rest fan).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 09, 2019, 06:54:18 AM
That's what I thought.  Phew, almost a senior moment!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2019, 03:54:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2019, 11:31:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
I haven't been in Grinnell since 2010 or so but it was there then.

So was Roop! ;)  AND the owner of Saints Rest, the Grinnell fan whose name I'm blanking on.

jeffp was his handle. Don't know his name.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on March 10, 2019, 07:02:08 AM
He passed away a couple years ago.  His nephew played at Lake Forest.  I met him at a tailgate before one of our games.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 27, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
SNC kicker getting some NFL attention:
https://fox11online.com/sports/packers-and-nfl/st-norbert-kicker-getting-his-shot-at-the-nfl?fbclid=IwAR1GA92GbESCXbR5n9LPHisrUgUicMF4XTKuHQCMEEI_ovpF6KG-qbR0klI

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on April 03, 2019, 09:46:09 AM
Rumor from DePere is that Norby is leaving MWC. It's April 3, not April 1, so thinking it might have legs
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on April 03, 2019, 11:06:43 AM
Update, and it's official. SNC to the NACC in 2020-21 academic year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 11:09:31 AM
SNC leaving the Midwest conference:


St. Norbert Athletics to Join Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

From Asst. AD/Athletics Communications, April 3, 2019 |
by Dan Lukes, dan.lukes@snc.edu, (920) 403-4077

DE PERE - St. Norbert College's intercollegiate athletics program will join the Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference, the conference announced today. The Green Knights will compete in the NACC beginning in the 2020-21 school year.

"Extensive study of our athletic department and the quality of academic experience for our student-athletes led us to explore Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference membership," St. Norbert College President Brian Bruess said. "Our student-athletes will be spending significantly less time away from campus allowing for a more integrated student experience."

"St. Norbert College is a fine academic institution with a strong record of athletic success and a deep commitment to student achievement," said Dr. Scott Flanagan, Edgewood College president and President of the NACC's Executive Committee. "Those reasons, along with their location near our current geographical area, make St. Norbert an exceptional fit for the NACC. We are excited to welcome St. Norbert to the conference."

The NACC, of which St. Norbert was already an affiliate member for men’s volleyball, consists of 13 schools in Wisconsin and Illinois. Wisconsin members include Alverno College, Milwaukee School of Engineering and Wisconsin Lutheran College (all of Milwaukee), Concordia University Wisconsin (Mequon), Edgewood College (Madison), Lakeland University (Plymouth) and Marian University (Fond du Lac). Illinois members include Concordia University Chicago and Dominican University (both of River Forest), Aurora University (Aurora), Benedictine University (Lisle), Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago) and Rockford University (Rockford). St. Norbert is already partners in the Northern Collegiate Hockey Association with MSOE, Concordia Wisconsin, Marian and Aurora.

"We are very pleased to have St. Norbert College join the NACC as our 14th full-time member," said NACC Commissioner Dr. G. Steven Larson. "St. Norbert brings a commitment to both academics and athletics that mirrors the core values of the NACC. They will be a strong partner as we continue to grow into our expanded geographic footprint."

"A vibrant and competitive program will enhance our student-athletes' overall experience," St. Norbert athletics director Tim Bald said. "With significantly less travel, our student-athletes will have more occasions to engage with our faculty and the community of St. Norbert College."

The move to the NACC will end membership in the Midwest Conference, which has nine other members located in Wisconsin (Lawrence University, Ripon College and Beloit College), Illinois (Lake Forest College, Knox College, Monmouth College and Illinois College) and Iowa (Cornell College and Grinnell College). The Green Knights won 121 Midwest Conference championships in 14 different sports while appearing in 66 NCAA Division III Tournaments after joining the league full-time in 1983. St. Norbert also won 19 Midwest Conference All-Sports Trophies - 15 for women and four for men - despite not fielding men’s and women’s swimming until 2018-19.

"We will miss our many rivalries and relationships built over nearly four decades as a Midwest Conference member and aim to maintain many as non-conference competition in the future," Bruess said. "We are looking forward to growing our existing relationships with NACC members."

"Our reduced travel in a smaller geographic footprint will be less strenuous on our student-athletes, coaching staff and support staff," Bald said. "We are still aligned with institutions of similar academic excellence and missions, while easing demands on schedules and budgets."

St. Norbert will reacquaint itself with long-running series against NACC schools dating prior to World War II. The Green Knights began men’s basketball series with Concordia Wisconsin in 1924-25, with Lakeland in 1932-33 and with MSOE in 1933-34.

St. Norbert has a 23-sport athletics program, with 19 of those competing in every championship the NACC sponsors. Men's NACC champions are sponsored in baseball, basketball, cross country, football, golf, soccer, tennis, track and field (indoor and outdoor) and volleyball. Women's NACC champions are sponsored in basketball, cross country, golf, soccer, softball, tennis, track and field (indoor and outdoor) and volleyball.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on April 03, 2019, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 11:09:31 AM
SNC leaving the Midwest conference:


St. Norbert Athletics to Join Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

From Asst. AD/Athletics Communications, April 3, 2019 |
by Dan Lukes, dan.lukes@snc.edu, (920) 403-4077

DE PERE - St. Norbert College's intercollegiate athletics program will join the Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference, the conference announced today. The Green Knights will compete in the NACC beginning in the 2020-21 school year.

"Extensive study of our athletic department and the quality of academic experience for our student-athletes led us to explore Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference membership," St. Norbert College President Brian Bruess said. "Our student-athletes will be spending significantly less time away from campus allowing for a more integrated student experience."

"St. Norbert College is a fine academic institution with a strong record of athletic success and a deep commitment to student achievement," said Dr. Scott Flanagan, Edgewood College president and President of the NACC's Executive Committee. "Those reasons, along with their location near our current geographical area, make St. Norbert an exceptional fit for the NACC. We are excited to welcome St. Norbert to the conference."

The NACC, of which St. Norbert was already an affiliate member for men’s volleyball, consists of 13 schools in Wisconsin and Illinois. Wisconsin members include Alverno College, Milwaukee School of Engineering and Wisconsin Lutheran College (all of Milwaukee), Concordia University Wisconsin (Mequon), Edgewood College (Madison), Lakeland University (Plymouth) and Marian University (Fond du Lac). Illinois members include Concordia University Chicago and Dominican University (both of River Forest), Aurora University (Aurora), Benedictine University (Lisle), Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago) and Rockford University (Rockford). St. Norbert is already partners in the Northern Collegiate Hockey Association with MSOE, Concordia Wisconsin, Marian and Aurora.

"We are very pleased to have St. Norbert College join the NACC as our 14th full-time member," said NACC Commissioner Dr. G. Steven Larson. "St. Norbert brings a commitment to both academics and athletics that mirrors the core values of the NACC. They will be a strong partner as we continue to grow into our expanded geographic footprint."

"A vibrant and competitive program will enhance our student-athletes' overall experience," St. Norbert athletics director Tim Bald said. "With significantly less travel, our student-athletes will have more occasions to engage with our faculty and the community of St. Norbert College."

The move to the NACC will end membership in the Midwest Conference, which has nine other members located in Wisconsin (Lawrence University, Ripon College and Beloit College), Illinois (Lake Forest College, Knox College, Monmouth College and Illinois College) and Iowa (Cornell College and Grinnell College). The Green Knights won 121 Midwest Conference championships in 14 different sports while appearing in 66 NCAA Division III Tournaments after joining the league full-time in 1983. St. Norbert also won 19 Midwest Conference All-Sports Trophies - 15 for women and four for men - despite not fielding men’s and women’s swimming until 2018-19.

"We will miss our many rivalries and relationships built over nearly four decades as a Midwest Conference member and aim to maintain many as non-conference competition in the future," Bruess said. "We are looking forward to growing our existing relationships with NACC members."

"Our reduced travel in a smaller geographic footprint will be less strenuous on our student-athletes, coaching staff and support staff," Bald said. "We are still aligned with institutions of similar academic excellence and missions, while easing demands on schedules and budgets."

St. Norbert will reacquaint itself with long-running series against NACC schools dating prior to World War II. The Green Knights began men’s basketball series with Concordia Wisconsin in 1924-25, with Lakeland in 1932-33 and with MSOE in 1933-34.

St. Norbert has a 23-sport athletics program, with 19 of those competing in every championship the NACC sponsors. Men's NACC champions are sponsored in baseball, basketball, cross country, football, golf, soccer, tennis, track and field (indoor and outdoor) and volleyball. Women's NACC champions are sponsored in basketball, cross country, golf, soccer, softball, tennis, track and field (indoor and outdoor) and volleyball.

As someone who does not consider themselves an "insider" by any means, this comes as a bit of a surprise to me. How long has this been in the works?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 11:33:52 AM
And now, my personal reaction.

This sucks.

I get it. No more drives to Monmouth, Knox, IC, Cornell, or Grinnell. Getting more Milwaukee and Chicago schools, which is where the school recruits all students from.

But I don't like losing the rivalries with Lawrence and Ripon. At the risk of offending the new competition, it seems like a step down. Maybe I'm wrong - I can't say I follow the NACC at all in terms of how it does in the postseason. But I don't get the sense at-large bids are ever an option (not that they are common for the MWC).

Don't move my cheese. And get off my lawn.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 03, 2019, 11:50:16 AM
Maybe SNC is being proactive with the coming birth dearth.  Enrollments are likely shrinking in the coming years.  If you can help control costs with less travel and be more visible in recruiting areas like Milwaukee and Chicago this might be a good move.  If you can have athletic success as well, even better.   
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 11:33:52 AM
And now, my personal reaction.

This sucks.

I get it. No more drives to Monmouth, Knox, IC, Cornell, or Grinnell. Getting more Milwaukee and Chicago schools, which is where the school recruits all students from.

But I don't like losing the rivalries with Lawrence and Ripon. At the risk of offending the new competition, it seems like a step down. Maybe I'm wrong - I can't say I follow the NACC at all in terms of how it does in the postseason. But I don't get the sense at-large bids are ever an option (not that they are common for the MWC).

Don't move my cheese. And get off my lawn.

And has been pointed out to me - I don't know the NACC all that well (as I said...) - with these points made to me

The NACC had two baseball teams in the NCAA Tournament last year, Concordia-Chicago and Aurora. Concordia has gone to the World Series twice, as has Aurora I believe. Also, Benedictine played in the men's basketball national championship game in 2016 and Dominican men's soccer has reached the Final Four. Wisconsin Lutheran women's basketball won an NCAA Tournament game this year. Aurora beat WashU in the men's basketball tournament last year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on April 03, 2019, 11:58:35 AM
No idea, GreenKnight. I just heard the first of it this morning when apparently the kids were told.

GBpuck, I think this is good for football for a number of reasons. 91-0 victories aren't good for anybody — I don't see any of those ahead in the NACC. And the travel impacts more than just the convenience of fans. Those central Illinois games required an overnight stay for 60-some team members, plus staff. That's a huge drain on resources. I see nothing in the NACC that will require an overnight, even as the league's northernmost member.

I'm guessing they can hang on to their upcoming NC schedule, which is set through 2021 (NACC plays 7 conf games a year, or has in the past). I will miss some of the MWC rivalries but the local ones haven't been competitive for years
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
It could/would/should mean the end of the divisional lineup/championship game, unless another associate member is found...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on April 03, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
It could/would/should mean the end of the divisional lineup/championship game, unless another associate member is found...

I think there could be a few more dominoes to fall regarding MWC football
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Just the stats on April 03, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
I can't imagine the road trips that SNC (and consequently opponents) have endured. Almost 400 miles to Illinois College and Grinnell. That's a lot to ask for student-athletes on busses for regular-season games.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: Just the stats on April 03, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
I can't imagine the road trips that SNC (and consequently opponents) have endured. Almost 400 miles to Illinois College and Grinnell. That's a lot to ask for student-athletes on busses for regular-season games.

Waaaay back when I went with football, the team left Friday morning, sometimes worked out somewhere along the way, and got to the visiting city for dinner. All the way home afterwards, though ... so maybe 1 or 2 am arrival at SNC, IIRC. But that was 25 years ago. Not sure how they did it in modern times.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on April 03, 2019, 04:06:18 PM
I know Lawrence does an overnight for the long trips (Iowa in particular). In my student days basketball used to do a Friday night/Saturday schedule and schools were partnered (play in Appleton Friday and play in DePere on Saturday. Visiting teams would flip sites).

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 04, 2019, 12:48:21 PM
SNC kicker gets his NFL workout:

https://fox11online.com/sports/packers-and-nfl/st-norbert-kicker-thompson-meyers-holds-nfl-pro-day?fbclid=IwAR3hJK2lcfVjjB6NH4dcOVmR-1eRj3IzEHqgKJQbPuAEiBud9idXy6tyLfo

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on April 04, 2019, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: WW on April 03, 2019, 11:58:35 AM
I'm guessing [SNC] can hang on to their upcoming NC schedule, which is set through 2021 (NACC plays 7 conf games a year, or has in the past). I will miss some of the MWC rivalries but the local ones haven't been competitive for years.

The NACC has actually only ever had 7 or 8 teams for football until now. I'd guess it will add an 8th conference game, assuming existing scheduling agreements permit it.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2019, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: Just the stats on April 03, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
I can't imagine the road trips that SNC (and consequently opponents) have endured. Almost 400 miles to Illinois College and Grinnell. That's a lot to ask for student-athletes on busses for regular-season games.
Closer to 420 miles... That road trip is of near ASC proportions!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on April 08, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: WW on April 03, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
It could/would/should mean the end of the divisional lineup/championship game, unless another associate member is found...

I think there could be a few more dominoes to fall regarding MWC football

What are you hearing or thinking? Honestly curious.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on April 08, 2019, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on April 08, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: WW on April 03, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
It could/would/should mean the end of the divisional lineup/championship game, unless another associate member is found...

I think there could be a few more dominoes to fall regarding MWC football

What are you hearing or thinking? Honestly curious.

Hearing nothing. Thinking? Well, that's often debatable, but some things make ya wonder, such as...

The state of Beloit and Grinnell rosters.

Macalester... why aren't they in with their neighbors, as they are in other sports?

Monmouth... not sure where they could go, but in so many sports they battle with SNC for titles. At some point domination gets a little less fun (or does it?) and it becomes about fit.

U of C... would they be a better fit in CCIW or NACC if they remain football-only? They have no MWC allegiances in other sports.

MWC, on the other hand, might be an attractive destination for other programs. I've often said that if you ripped up the current alignments and started from scratch, you'd come up with better geographical and competitive alignments within the MWC, NACC and CCIW footprint.

So no inside dope here, far from it. Just thinking out loud......
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 08, 2019, 03:09:16 PM
Quote from: WW on April 08, 2019, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on April 08, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: WW on April 03, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
It could/would/should mean the end of the divisional lineup/championship game, unless another associate member is found...

I think there could be a few more dominoes to fall regarding MWC football

What are you hearing or thinking? Honestly curious.

Hearing nothing. Thinking? Well, that's often debatable, but some things make ya wonder, such as...

The state of Beloit and Grinnell rosters.

Macalester... why aren't they in with their neighbors, as they are in other sports?

Monmouth... not sure where they could go, but in so many sports they battle with SNC for titles. At some point domination gets a little less fun (or does it?) and it becomes about fit.

U of C... would they be a better fit in CCIW or NACC if they remain football-only? They have no MWC allegiances in other sports.

MWC, on the other hand, might be an attractive destination for other programs. I've often said that if you ripped up the current alignments and started from scratch, you'd come up with better geographical and competitive alignments within the MWC, NACC and CCIW footprint.

So no inside dope here, far from it. Just thinking out loud......

How about St Thomas stays MIAC and then St Olaf and Carleton bolt for the MWC and Macalester moves all sports to the MWC.  Monmouth then jumps to the CCIW.  Likely?  Probably not.  Fun to speculate?  During this time of year...yes!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on June 20, 2019, 08:49:37 AM
Crazy good recruiting year in the Forest.  51 incoming freshman!  That brings their total expected at camp opening at 108!  When my son first went there, some 9 years ago, there were only 61 total players in camp and 30 of them were Freshman.  That was Cat's second Interim Head Coaching year.  Coach Cat is doing some awesome things! 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on June 20, 2019, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on June 20, 2019, 08:49:37 AM
Crazy good recruiting year in the Forest.  51 incoming freshman!  That brings their total expected at camp opening at 108!  When my son first went there, some 9 years ago, there were only 61 total players in camp and 30 of them were Freshman.  That was Cat's second Interim Head Coaching year.  Coach Cat is doing some awesome things!

Future looks bright, FBD. I think both Ripon and LFC could push the Green Knights in the reconfigured North this year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 01, 2019, 02:50:24 PM
Only surprise in the preseason coaches poll is the gap in the North between SNC and Ripon, given Ripon influx of bodies and SNC's outflux of seniors. And at first I was surprised by the closeness of the South poll, but U of C was just a blocked PAT from OT with SNC last season.

MWC North Division

St. Norbert College (12), 72 points
Ripon College, 52 points
Lake Forest College, 51 points
Macalester College, 40 points
Lawrence University, 24 points
Beloit College, 13 points

MWC South Division

Monmouth College (7), 66 points
University of Chicago (5), 65 points
Illinois College, 46 points
Knox College, 33 points
Cornell College, 30 points
Grinnell College, 12 points
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 08, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
Check you out, SNC! First preseason Top 25 ranking for the MWC since 2010. #respect
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 10, 2019, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: WW on August 08, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
Check you out, SNC! First preseason Top 25 ranking for the MWC since 2010. #respect

That is nice. Coming off a playoff win certainly helps, I'm sure. As does having the starting quarterback coming back.

Interesting that SNC got only six more points than Monmouth in the conference poll. and the Scots didn't even get one 25th place vote.

I wonder if some of it indeed some respect for SNC, and some is -"Who else made the playoffs last year?" or "Who is the best team in the MWC? I'll put them in at 22nd."

SNC averaged about the 22nd team on every ballot - obviously could have been higher on some, not included at all on others. And that doesn't leave much room for a second MWC team.

On the bright side, SNC was higher than all but one WIAC school, which is nice. Not sure that's particularly realistic on the field but I'll take it.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 10, 2019, 06:10:31 PM
I'm quite sure Monmouth is the best team in the South Division and certainly the second-best team in the conference as well, but Monmouth appears to have a lot of holes to fill, including the entire starting defensive line, 95% of the passing yards, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 11, 2019, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 10, 2019, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: WW on August 08, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
Check you out, SNC! First preseason Top 25 ranking for the MWC since 2010. #respect

That is nice. Coming off a playoff win certainly helps, I'm sure. As does having the starting quarterback coming back.

Interesting that SNC got only six more points than Monmouth in the conference poll. and the Scots didn't even get one 25th place vote.

I wonder if some of it indeed some respect for SNC, and some is -"Who else made the playoffs last year?" or "Who is the best team in the MWC? I'll put them in at 22nd."

SNC averaged about the 22nd team on every ballot - obviously could have been higher on some, not included at all on others. And that doesn't leave much room for a second MWC team.

On the bright side, SNC was higher than all but one WIAC school, which is nice. Not sure that's particularly realistic on the field but I'll take it.

Rhodes is back? Had thought he graduated. I wasn't a fan early in the season, just seemed incapable of getting the ball to the all-America wideout. But the coaching staff sure worked a plan to his strength, which is tuck it and go. That kid is a winner and tough as nails.

I noted the WIAC comparison too. Interesting matchup in week 2 vs UWEC... last year the blugolds won in OT
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 12, 2019, 06:34:01 AM
Check in day for Lake Forest.  Future looking good!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 12, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Rhodes graduated. My bad. 

I misread the roster... My apologies.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 12, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 12, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Rhodes graduated. My bad. 

I misread the roster... My apologies.

No problem, puck. They had a pile of young QBs on the roster last year, and I heard some transfer chatter. Should be interesting to see who shows up this week (presuming they open camp?) and who takes the reins. Sounds like Ripon will have a pretty healthy QB scrum happening, too.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 12, 2019, 01:09:48 PM
Quote from: WW on August 12, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 12, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Rhodes graduated. My bad. 

I misread the roster... My apologies.

No problem, puck. They had a pile of young QBs on the roster last year, and I heard some transfer chatter. Should be interesting to see who shows up this week (presuming they open camp?) and who takes the reins. Sounds like Ripon will have a pretty healthy QB scrum happening, too.

I believe practice starts Thursday.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on August 13, 2019, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 10, 2019, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: WW on August 08, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
Check you out, SNC! First preseason Top 25 ranking for the MWC since 2010. #respect

That is nice. Coming off a playoff win certainly helps, I'm sure. As does having the starting quarterback coming back.

Interesting that SNC got only six more points than Monmouth in the conference poll. and the Scots didn't even get one 25th place vote.

I wonder if some of it indeed some respect for SNC, and some is -"Who else made the playoffs last year?" or "Who is the best team in the MWC? I'll put them in at 22nd."

SNC averaged about the 22nd team on every ballot - obviously could have been higher on some, not included at all on others. And that doesn't leave much room for a second MWC team.

On the bright side, SNC was higher than all but one WIAC school, which is nice. Not sure that's particularly realistic on the field but I'll take it.

Preseason polls are notoriously difficult. You're essentially looking at last seasons results, key returners, returning starters. Nothing new to anyone here, but doesn't surprise me SNC is getting love. For a voter trying to get a sense of all the teams in D3, SNC checks some boxes really quickly.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 18, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
I guess SNC has as many as nine QB candidates.

Local media preview:
https://fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-looking-to-build-off-success-in-2018
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on August 19, 2019, 09:10:20 AM
Let me know if anyone is interested in participating in this year's West Region Fan Poll. I'm looking for two (maybe three) participants.

Much appreciated
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 22, 2019, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on August 18, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
I guess SNC has as many as nine QB candidates.

Local media preview:
https://fox11online.com/sports/college/st-norbert-looking-to-build-off-success-in-2018

I don't think that's unusual. One or two will get hurt, one or two will realize football isn't for them, one or two will greyshirt when they see the writing on the wall re PT, one or two will change positions. End up with four or five on the official roster by season's start—a varsity starter and a primary backup, a JV starter and a primary backup.

I know nothing about the non-local QB recruits but a couple of the Wisconsin guys were pretty accomplished high-school players. SNC will put a quality (if inexperienced) quarterback on the field when all is said and done.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2019, 04:23:48 PM
Plus, coaches will say they have nine quarterback candidates in order to be political and give lip service to the thought that everyone has a chance. But in reality, there are almost always three or fewer. Exceptions if you are a brand-new program.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: MUC57 on August 22, 2019, 04:40:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2019, 04:23:48 PM
Plus, coaches will say they have nine quarterback candidates in order to be political and give lip service to the thought that everyone has a chance. But in reality, there are almost always three or fewer. Exceptions if you are a brand-new program.

Or Mount Union. We have 10!  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 23, 2019, 07:57:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2019, 04:23:48 PM
Plus, coaches will say they have nine quarterback candidates in order to be political and give lip service to the thought that everyone has a chance. But in reality, there are almost always three or fewer. Exceptions if you are a brand-new program.

Right. They'll have nine QBs at least till the tuition checks clear.  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 03, 2019, 07:00:46 PM
Two games loom large opening weekend and could have plenty to say about eventual MWC playoff representation. One is Wheaton at Monmouth. Wheaton (32-7 winner last year) was 8-2 last season and just missed a pool C slot. The other is Wash U StL (24-17 winner last year) at Chicago. Wash U also a near playoff miss last year.

MWC getting two playoff representatives is always gonna be a long throw... but winning these two would be a major step toward opening that door.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: WW on September 03, 2019, 07:00:46 PM
Two games loom large opening weekend and could have plenty to say about eventual MWC playoff representation. One is Wheaton at Monmouth. Wheaton (32-7 winner last year) was 8-2 last season and just missed a pool C slot. The other is Wash U StL (24-17 winner last year) at Chicago. Wash U also a near playoff miss last year.

MWC getting two playoff representatives is always gonna be a long throw... but winning these two would be a major step toward opening that door.

For the MWC to get two teams, they would both need to go through the regular season undefeated, beat a ranked team from another conference along the way, the loser of the title games does so by one possession, the WIAC runnerup has at least two losses, the moon is in the house of Venus, a Canadian team needs to have won the previous Stanley Cup, the Lions and Browns have to have met in the most recent Super Bowl, Congress has passed a balanced budget - and, just maybe - the price of stamps has to go down.  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe getting the MWC winner to HOST a playoff game is a more reasonable goal....

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 04, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: WW on September 03, 2019, 07:00:46 PM
Two games loom large opening weekend and could have plenty to say about eventual MWC playoff representation. One is Wheaton at Monmouth. Wheaton (32-7 winner last year) was 8-2 last season and just missed a pool C slot. The other is Wash U StL (24-17 winner last year) at Chicago. Wash U also a near playoff miss last year.

MWC getting two playoff representatives is always gonna be a long throw... but winning these two would be a major step toward opening that door.

For the MWC to get two teams, they would both need to go through the regular season undefeated, beat a ranked team from another conference along the way, the loser of the title games does so by one possession, the WIAC runnerup has at least two losses, the moon is in the house of Venus, a Canadian team needs to have won the previous Stanley Cup, the Lions and Browns have to have met in the most recent Super Bowl, Congress has passed a balanced budget - and, just maybe - the price of stamps has to go down.  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe getting the MWC winner to HOST a playoff game is a more reasonable goal....

Hey, pal, if I were interested in "reasonable" discourse I wouldn't be here  ;D

But the larger fly in my two-team ointment is this: SNC and Monmouth play each other in a non-conference game Sept 28. Somebody will lose that game, and bring at least one loss to the MWC final (Chicago, potentially, messes this scenario up, as could LF or Ripon, but that's a different argument). Given SNC's schedule, the path to them hosting a playoff game, even undefeated, almost doesn't exist. Their best win would be Monmouth. The path to them gaining pool C entry at 9-1 with a loss in the MWC final... well, that's a tougher one yet. Again, their best win would be Monmouth, in September.

Monmouth, on the other hand, gets some cred from their NC schedule. A 10-0 Monmouth team would potentially have four or five quality wins and IMO gets serious host consideration. A 9-1 MWC-final loser could make a case for pool C inclusion (provided SNC is also 9-1, with only loss to Monmouth).

Bottom line is these NC games have huge playoff implications. Monmouth's schedule certainly presents it with opportunity to dictate its postseason, moreso than the Knights.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 05, 2019, 03:03:23 PM
It's GAME DAY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2019, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: WW on September 04, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: WW on September 03, 2019, 07:00:46 PM
Two games loom large opening weekend and could have plenty to say about eventual MWC playoff representation. One is Wheaton at Monmouth. Wheaton (32-7 winner last year) was 8-2 last season and just missed a pool C slot. The other is Wash U StL (24-17 winner last year) at Chicago. Wash U also a near playoff miss last year.

MWC getting two playoff representatives is always gonna be a long throw... but winning these two would be a major step toward opening that door.

For the MWC to get two teams, they would both need to go through the regular season undefeated, beat a ranked team from another conference along the way, the loser of the title games does so by one possession, the WIAC runnerup has at least two losses, the moon is in the house of Venus, a Canadian team needs to have won the previous Stanley Cup, the Lions and Browns have to have met in the most recent Super Bowl, Congress has passed a balanced budget - and, just maybe - the price of stamps has to go down.  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe getting the MWC winner to HOST a playoff game is a more reasonable goal....

Hey, pal, if I were interested in "reasonable" discourse I wouldn't be here  ;D

But the larger fly in my two-team ointment is this: SNC and Monmouth play each other in a non-conference game Sept 28. Somebody will lose that game, and bring at least one loss to the MWC final (Chicago, potentially, messes this scenario up, as could LF or Ripon, but that's a different argument). Given SNC's schedule, the path to them hosting a playoff game, even undefeated, almost doesn't exist. Their best win would be Monmouth. The path to them gaining pool C entry at 9-1 with a loss in the MWC final... well, that's a tougher one yet. Again, their best win would be Monmouth, in September.

Monmouth, on the other hand, gets some cred from their NC schedule. A 10-0 Monmouth team would potentially have four or five quality wins and IMO gets serious host consideration. A 9-1 MWC-final loser could make a case for pool C inclusion (provided SNC is also 9-1, with only loss to Monmouth).

Bottom line is these NC games have huge playoff implications. Monmouth's schedule certainly presents it with opportunity to dictate its postseason, moreso than the Knights.

Yes, I would agree that given the strength of the non-con games, Monmouth has a better chance at a higher seed. But obviously I hope  that doesn't happen
Title: Q
Post by: fulbakdad on September 05, 2019, 09:19:16 PM
Lake Forest up 14=7 at the half over Wisconsin Lutheran.  Offense looks fluid and dynamic so far.  Degman seems to be a diamond hidden in his first start as a senior at QB.  Defense looks solid so far.  Could be a bigger spread so far.....
Title: Lake Forest wins first
Post by: fulbakdad on September 05, 2019, 10:42:58 PM
Lake Forest wins 27-15 over Wisconsin Lutheran.  Could have been a bigger spread.  Strong game by Senior Billy Degnan at QB, but at times he forced some throws.  On defense, Jordan Mcinerney is a BEAST!  3 1/2 sacks, controlled the line of scrimmage.  Good game by both running backs, Stone Mathews and Alex Adems.  Offense was fluid and dynamic tonight.  Lake Forest pretty much in control of the game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 06, 2019, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 05, 2019, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: WW on September 04, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 03, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: WW on September 03, 2019, 07:00:46 PM
Two games loom large opening weekend and could have plenty to say about eventual MWC playoff representation. One is Wheaton at Monmouth. Wheaton (32-7 winner last year) was 8-2 last season and just missed a pool C slot. The other is Wash U StL (24-17 winner last year) at Chicago. Wash U also a near playoff miss last year.

MWC getting two playoff representatives is always gonna be a long throw... but winning these two would be a major step toward opening that door.

For the MWC to get two teams, they would both need to go through the regular season undefeated, beat a ranked team from another conference along the way, the loser of the title games does so by one possession, the WIAC runnerup has at least two losses, the moon is in the house of Venus, a Canadian team needs to have won the previous Stanley Cup, the Lions and Browns have to have met in the most recent Super Bowl, Congress has passed a balanced budget - and, just maybe - the price of stamps has to go down.  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe getting the MWC winner to HOST a playoff game is a more reasonable goal....

Hey, pal, if I were interested in "reasonable" discourse I wouldn't be here  ;D

But the larger fly in my two-team ointment is this: SNC and Monmouth play each other in a non-conference game Sept 28. Somebody will lose that game, and bring at least one loss to the MWC final (Chicago, potentially, messes this scenario up, as could LF or Ripon, but that's a different argument). Given SNC's schedule, the path to them hosting a playoff game, even undefeated, almost doesn't exist. Their best win would be Monmouth. The path to them gaining pool C entry at 9-1 with a loss in the MWC final... well, that's a tougher one yet. Again, their best win would be Monmouth, in September.

Monmouth, on the other hand, gets some cred from their NC schedule. A 10-0 Monmouth team would potentially have four or five quality wins and IMO gets serious host consideration. A 9-1 MWC-final loser could make a case for pool C inclusion (provided SNC is also 9-1, with only loss to Monmouth).

Bottom line is these NC games have huge playoff implications. Monmouth's schedule certainly presents it with opportunity to dictate its postseason, moreso than the Knights.

Yes, I would agree that given the strength of the non-con games, Monmouth has a better chance at a higher seed. But obviously I hope  that doesn't happen

Do you know who's emerged as starting QB, puck? The video snippets I see show a number 8 slinging it around and per the roster, that's Gage McClanahan, a senior transfer who's had mixed success at previous schools. But that could've been scout team video for all I know. I also see they moved starting shortstop Ben Kohl to receiver from QB. A bit of a surprise since I had heard pretty good reviews about his JV QB play last year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2019, 06:29:21 PM
sorry, didn't see the post before the game, but I wouldn't have known the answer.

The answer is Freddy Poorman, who threw for 303 yards today. But a baaaaad second quarter doomed SNC today
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 07, 2019, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2019, 06:29:21 PM
sorry, didn't see the post before the game, but I wouldn't have known the answer.

The answer is Freddy Poorman, who threw for 303 yards today. But a baaaaad second quarter doomed SNC today

Yikes. That's a bad loss
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 07, 2019, 09:27:56 PM
Not to mention a bad afternoon for the MWC. Save for Lawrence U!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2019, 09:57:27 PM
Quote from: WW on September 07, 2019, 09:27:56 PM
Not to mention a bad afternoon for the MWC. Save for Lawrence U!!

well, not really, it beat another MWC team, so... but nice for the Vikings to get a W
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 08, 2019, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 07, 2019, 09:57:27 PM
Quote from: WW on September 07, 2019, 09:27:56 PM
Not to mention a bad afternoon for the MWC. Save for Lawrence U!!

well, not really, it beat another MWC team, so... but nice for the Vikings to get a W

AU passed for 497 yards and had 604 total yards vs SNC. In last years opener vs SNC, they passed for 130 and netted 160 overall. Guessing the 2019 SNC D has lots of new faces.

Monmouth's troubles appear to be on the other side of the ball. 3 first downs, 56 total yards vs Wheaton. Yoiks.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 09, 2019, 09:34:00 AM
Saturday not a good day for the MWC...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on September 09, 2019, 12:37:43 PM
Cornell and IC won, too, right?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 09, 2019, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on September 09, 2019, 12:37:43 PM
Cornell and IC won, too, right?

Yup. And on the bright side, the MWC championship race is wide open for a change
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 09, 2019, 09:12:23 PM
Well, hoping SNC can get its act together this week and do something no MWC school has done since 1935 - beat a WIAC school.

SNC beat a WIAC school (Platteville, IIRC) in 1983, but it was the year before the Knights joined the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 10, 2019, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 09, 2019, 09:12:23 PM
Well, hoping SNC can get its act together this week and do something no MWC school has done since 1935 - beat a WIAC school.

SNC beat a WIAC school (Platteville, IIRC) in 1983, but it was the year before the Knights joined the conference.

That's quite a factoid, puck. Makes those two recent OT misses vs Point and EC sting a little more if you're a Knight fan.

Eat Claire might be a tougher matchup than they look on paper. They put a pretty good thump on a Loras team that was respectable in 2018. And I think SNC is to some degree a victim of its success this season. Graduating 37 seniors is an accomplishment of which they should be very proud, but that means a bunch of starters AND their backups are gone. There's an experience gap, especially defensively, left in their void, and it looks like it showed last Saturday. I'd assume Eau Claire would be better equipped to exploit that gap than Aurora, and they exploited it plenty.

But one thing I liked from last week's stat line was Staehling's 200 yards. Last year's RPO leaned heavily R... looks like Freddy Poorman has the confidence to air it out.

Anybody got any Ripon insight? Sure expected a better showing out of them last week, too.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: '95 Blugold on September 11, 2019, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: WW on September 10, 2019, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 09, 2019, 09:12:23 PM
Well, hoping SNC can get its act together this week and do something no MWC school has done since 1935 - beat a WIAC school.

SNC beat a WIAC school (Platteville, IIRC) in 1983, but it was the year before the Knights joined the conference.

That's quite a factoid, puck. Makes those two recent OT misses vs Point and EC sting a little more if you're a Knight fan.

Eat Claire might be a tougher matchup than they look on paper. They put a pretty good thump on a Loras team that was respectable in 2018. And I think SNC is to some degree a victim of its success this season. Graduating 37 seniors is an accomplishment of which they should be very proud, but that means a bunch of starters AND their backups are gone. There's an experience gap, especially defensively, left in their void, and it looks like it showed last Saturday. I'd assume Eau Claire would be better equipped to exploit that gap than Aurora, and they exploited it plenty.

But one thing I liked from last week's stat line was Staehling's 200 yards. Last year's RPO leaned heavily R... looks like Freddy Poorman has the confidence to air it out.

Anybody got any Ripon insight? Sure expected a better showing out of them last week, too.

I was at the EC game last year and honestly, SNC had no business even taking that game to overtime. One of the worst run out the clock end of game play calls I have ever seen along with a meltdown on defense and special teams. I'm sure SNC will be out to take a win on their home turf this year.

As far as this year, I have to admit I'm a bit nervous as a UWEC fan. I realize SNC was pretty senior heavy last year so this year's team probably isn't on the same level as last year. On the flip side we have a new head coach and offensive system and had some growing pains in their first game last week against Loras. One of our TDs came on pick 6 and the offense really had to rely on the big play. I can't remember a nice sustained drive that we had for score the whole game. I think the box scored showed a better offense than what we looked. On the defensive side we do return 8 of 11 starters and was a strength last season and once again in the opener last weekend against Loras. Should be a good game Saturday and hopefully I'll be able to catch it on line via stream.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 14, 2019, 02:54:09 PM
Lake Forest up 24-0 on Grinnell in the 2nd.  Grinnell is VERY shorthanded....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 14, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
Lake Forest wins going into the Bye week, 44-0.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 14, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
Final
UWEC 21
SNC 27
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: '95 Blugold on September 14, 2019, 05:00:20 PM
SNC defends a pass in the end zone from the 5 to preserve the win. Despite my Blugolds coming up short a good game to watch.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 15, 2019, 03:40:00 PM
SNC game was big fun. I'm not sure who will emerge as QB1 but for better or worse, McClanahan can sure throw a bullet. Defense looked better than I expected to see. Got some young guys in there but growing up quick.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on September 17, 2019, 06:37:56 PM
Quote from: WW on September 15, 2019, 03:40:00 PM
SNC game was big fun. I'm not sure who will emerge as QB1 but for better or worse, McClanahan can sure throw a bullet. Defense looked better than I expected to see. Got some young guys in there but growing up quick.

Has anyone figured out what the deal was with the QB situation? McClanahan looked light years ahead of Poorman, in this game anyway, but they were used interchangeably. The commentators posited that maybe one was in for running situations and the other for passing situations, but that is perhaps the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard as you would basically be telegraphing your plays.

I see no reason SNC doesn't run the table if they beat Monmouth next week, though, the defense looks suspect enough that I don't know how confident I feel about them winning another playoff game this year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 17, 2019, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on September 17, 2019, 06:37:56 PM
Quote from: WW on September 15, 2019, 03:40:00 PM
SNC game was big fun. I'm not sure who will emerge as QB1 but for better or worse, McClanahan can sure throw a bullet. Defense looked better than I expected to see. Got some young guys in there but growing up quick.

Has anyone figured out what the deal was with the QB situation? McClanahan looked light years ahead of Poorman, in this game anyway, but they were used interchangeably. The commentators posited that maybe one was in for running situations and the other for passing situations, but that is perhaps the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard as you would basically be telegraphing your plays.

I see no reason SNC doesn't run the table if they beat Monmouth next week, though, the defense looks suspect enough that I don't know how confident I feel about them winning another playoff game this year.

No inside dope there but Poorman went the distance in the opener and put up 380 yards, 4 tds and no picks despite the loss. You're right about McClanahan passing the eye test, though. Team moved better with him Saturday, and I think if I gave him a doe tag, a football and a stand, we'd have snack sticks by Thanksgiving. Poorman is a junior (?) and been in the program a couple years. McClanahan is a multi-school senior transfer. Don't know if he was here for spring practice or not... if he just got here in August, it makes sense that he's earning time. I would add that the OC appears to favor a strong runner at the position over a passer, based on last season. That's my take
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 18, 2019, 06:04:02 AM
I agree Green Knight, no reason at all you don't just run the table.  Maybe we should just not even play the rest of the season so you can get ready for the playoffs?

Your first game, looked bad.  Your second game, you beat a team that is from a strong conference, but went 1-9 last year, 3-27 over the last 3 years!  And you only beat them by 7 points.  You might want to hold off some on your championship claim.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2019, 08:29:17 AM
Last year they didn't even win that game, but still won the championship.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 18, 2019, 10:46:14 AM
The dueling QB thing isn't that unusual. Whitewater opened with alternating QBs, although one appears to have taken the reins. Oshkosh is still giving two guys series. Since no media covers SNC regularly, I guess we won't get an answer from McCarty on whether or not that's a long-term approach or just an extended audition. Hey, here's a tip for the livestream crew -- get three minutes with the coach pre-game or post-game to find out this kind of stuff!

I dunno, 920.... SNC is still my pick in the North, but I wouldn't bet my milk money on it. The Foresters will definitely have something to say about it, and even though I'm yet to be impressed by Ripon, this might be the year they have a shot at the Green (VERY green) Knights. The upcoming SNC-Monmouth game is actually non-league and virtually meaningless since neither of these teams have a pool C shot that the outcome could affect. That said, there's some juice to this game, given their recent history. And Monmouth needs to right its ship. Both their outings have been ugly so far. As of now, I'm picking Chicago to represent the South in the MWC championship game. Heck, they've been ugly too, but less ugly. Definitely could be looking at two new characters in the MWC final this season.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 18, 2019, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 18, 2019, 06:04:02 AM
I agree Green Knight, no reason at all you don't just run the table.  Maybe we should just not even play the rest of the season so you can get ready for the playoffs?

Your first game, looked bad.  Your second game, you beat a team that is from a strong conference, but went 1-9 last year, 3-27 over the last 3 years!  And you only beat them by 7 points.  You might want to hold off some on your championship claim.....

Eau Claire went 4-6 last season and had wins over Platteville and Oshkosh, but nice try on that one. They also have a running back and a linebacker that are better than anyone currently playing in the MWC. No matter who represents the north in the title game I would guess that St. Norbert playing Eau Claire will help the Knights get ready for the rest of the season way more than voluntarily playing Grinnell in a nonconference game will. (My understanding St. Norbert playing Grinnell again this year is part of a mandated crossover. I can't imagine either side would agree to play that game if not required to do so.) That said SNC has another tough challenge ahead playing Monmouth on the road.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on September 18, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
Any notes on Monmouth? 0-2 vs two quality opponents but bad scores. Are they down?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 18, 2019, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 18, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
Any notes on Monmouth? 0-2 vs two quality opponents but bad scores. Are they down?

They replace AC RB DeAndre Wright and the QB Nelson offensively. The passing game so far has generated more touchdowns for the other team (2 pick-sixes) than for Monmouth (1). The offense showed a few signs of life vs Wartburg but vs Wheaton, 3 first downs, 56 total yards... yikes.

Safe to say they're "down" but in this league they're still a contender. They always have the numbers, just need a few kids to grow up fast.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 18, 2019, 03:16:06 PM
Below is from the D3 previous season.  Cut and pasted.  Maybe their wrong?  I don't think so Dangle.
Year
Overall
Conf
2017
1-9, 0-7
WIAC
2016
2-8, 1-6
WIAC
2015
0-10, 0-7
WIAC
2014
1-9, 1-6
WIAC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
All of those years are properly labeled, but last year was 2018.

(This is something our webhosts are working on. It's a bug.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 18, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
All of those years are properly labeled, but last year was 2018.

(This is something our webhosts are working on. It's a bug.)

Y2K19?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2019, 03:29:34 PM
YYY?!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 18, 2019, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 18, 2019, 03:16:06 PM
Below is from the D3 previous season.  Cut and pasted.  Maybe their wrong?  I don't think so Dangle.
Year
Overall
Conf
2017
1-9, 0-7
WIAC
2016
2-8, 1-6
WIAC
2015
0-10, 0-7
WIAC
2014
1-9, 1-6
WIAC

I can only speak for myself but I prefer to verify things before I go flapping my gums on a message board. Here is last year's Eau Claire schedule...4-6 and two plays away from being 6-4: https://www.blugolds.com/sports/fball/2018-19/schedule
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2019, 05:17:29 PM
The schedule is on our site -- just the link to it is hidden from the 2019 pages.

https://www.d3football.com/teams/UW-Eau_Claire/2018/index
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2019, 08:44:49 PM
Recap of SNC/UWEC and post game from coach about the QB rotation:
https://gopresstimes.com/2019/09/14/st-norberts-pedersen-saves-the-day-in-historic-win/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on September 18, 2019, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2019, 08:44:49 PM
Recap of SNC/UWEC and post game from coach about the QB rotation:
https://gopresstimes.com/2019/09/14/st-norberts-pedersen-saves-the-day-in-historic-win/

Behind a paywall, summary?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on September 18, 2019, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2019, 08:44:49 PM
Recap of SNC/UWEC and post game from coach about the QB rotation:
https://gopresstimes.com/2019/09/14/st-norberts-pedersen-saves-the-day-in-historic-win/

Behind a paywall, summary?

Oh, sorry. Didn't realize that...

- Plan was to get to both in the game no matter what. "Different skill sets"

- When asked if rotation would continue, coach was non committal. Said had to watch the film first

"Unless one guy is heads and shoulders above the other one, we're going to continue rolling with two guys"
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 19, 2019, 11:10:03 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on September 18, 2019, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on September 18, 2019, 08:44:49 PM
Recap of SNC/UWEC and post game from coach about the QB rotation:
https://gopresstimes.com/2019/09/14/st-norberts-pedersen-saves-the-day-in-historic-win/

Behind a paywall, summary?

Oh, sorry. Didn't realize that...

- Plan was to get to both in the game no matter what. "Different skill sets"

- When asked if rotation would continue, coach was non committal. Said had to watch the film first

"Unless one guy is heads and shoulders above the other one, we're going to continue rolling with two guys"

Thanks, puck. They pretty much have two more games to figure it out with one more non-league game, then Grinnell. I'd be a little surprised if they haven't settled on one for Ripon.

By the way, the rest of their home schedule is awful this year. Grinnell, Lawrence and Beloit. Combined score last year vs those three, 197-0. It is what it is and the last time it'll come up this way with upcoming switch to NACC, but yeesh.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 19, 2019, 02:44:37 PM
flapping my gums dangle?  geesh!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 19, 2019, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 19, 2019, 02:44:37 PM
flapping my gums dangle?  geesh!

Yep. I realize pointing this out makes me the bad guy even though I'm not the one posting erroneous information.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 20, 2019, 06:11:12 AM
Oh my.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 26, 2019, 05:55:02 AM
Anyone seen Scottie?  Did we forget to wake him up?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 26, 2019, 09:24:53 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 26, 2019, 05:55:02 AM
Anyone seen Scottie?  Did we forget to wake him up?

Scottie doesn't know?!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on September 27, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
Rare that Monmouth and Norbert play this early in the year. Interested to see if this plays a factor (having 2 games on a team is different than 9) and players grow throughout the year. IMO, Nobert has improved throughout the season traditionally under McCarty.

I'll say...Norbert in another low scoring fair.

SNC 10
Monmouth 3

I don't think it's a far gone conclusion that these two meet up again. Chicago will give the Scots everything they can handle in a few weeks.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 27, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 27, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
Rare that Monmouth and Norbert play this early in the year. Interested to see if this plays a factor (having 2 games on a team is different than 9) and players grow throughout the year. IMO, Nobert has improved throughout the season traditionally under McCarty.

I'll say...Norbert in another low scoring fair.

SNC 10
Monmouth 3

I don't think it's a far gone conclusion that these two meet up again. Chicago will give the Scots everything they can handle in a few weeks.

If Norb gave up 50 to Aurora I think Monmouth's gonna put up a lot more than 3.

I think you're right about the MWC final and Chicago though. That'll be an interesting outcome too, Chicago vs Lake Forest. Should reveal whether LF is a real threat to reach the MWC champ game out of the North.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 27, 2019, 08:20:37 PM
This will be a teller for Lake Forest.  Are they too young with all the new talent that has come in will be decided tomorrow.

I pick Monmouth by about 190.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 28, 2019, 02:34:43 PM
Yikes. SNC has thrown three interceptions inside its own 35. Monmouth converts on all of them. Scots up 24-7 late first.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 28, 2019, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 27, 2019, 08:20:37 PM
This will be a teller for Lake Forest.  Are they too young with all the new talent that has come in will be decided tomorrow.

I pick Monmouth by about 190.....

This prediction has a chance
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2019, 07:33:34 AM
Guess my prediction had hope, but fell short. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Not My Nachos on September 29, 2019, 10:59:09 AM
Monmouth should have put 190 on St.N.  Monmouth is a very good team thats been suffering by way of offense.  More specifically, they are forcing the issue by not going in a different difection at QB. 

Monmouth will roll over the remainder of their schedule and look very good, statistically speaking.  The one team that can give them fits, and will, is going to be Chicago. 

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 29, 2019, 05:16:36 PM
Jeez Nachos, didn't you read what happened to the last guy who said his team was gonna roll the whole season?

lol
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Not My Nachos on September 30, 2019, 01:11:10 PM
Hi Fulbak!  Sorry, i actually meant that to be a little less posative than it seemed.  Im new...call it ignorance.

The remaining schedule for MC isnt bad (easy is the wrong word).  With that, they should do well despite an average, at best offense.  Midwest Conference is a bit down this year.  Much like MC, it is built off of younger players.  MC is very strong in the other areas of the game, but not a top 25 team.  As of now, despite the deficiencies, they are the favorite to get the "nod" for the playoff bid.  A good MWC team, playing well and rich with upper classmen, can prevent them from getting there.

Wrong choice of words from a Board Freshmen. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on September 30, 2019, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on September 26, 2019, 05:55:02 AM
Anyone seen Scottie?  Did we forget to wake him up?

YAWN.......... Any questions?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 30, 2019, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: Not My Nachos on September 30, 2019, 01:11:10 PM
Hi Fulbak!  Sorry, i actually meant that to be a little less posative than it seemed.  Im new...call it ignorance.

The remaining schedule for MC isnt bad (easy is the wrong word).  With that, they should do well despite an average, at best offense.  Midwest Conference is a bit down this year.  Much like MC, it is built off of younger players.  MC is very strong in the other areas of the game, but not a top 25 team.  As of now, despite the deficiencies, they are the favorite to get the "nod" for the playoff bid. A good MWC team, playing well and rich with upper classmen, can prevent them from getting there.

Wrong choice of words from a Board Freshmen.

Not sure that exists. Based on this weekend's schedule I don't think we'll learn much about the rest of the MWC. Now that I've just about completely fallen off the Ripon bandwagon maybe they'll show some signs of life vs MC Saturday...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 01, 2019, 06:35:24 AM
Scottie, how are you? 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 01, 2019, 01:35:45 PM
Grinnell has cancelled the remainder of its season, starting with Saturday game vs St Norbert.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2019, 02:17:55 PM
Details: https://www.d3football.com/notables/2019/10/grinnell-suspending-2019-campaign
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 01, 2019, 02:37:34 PM
um wow.

1 - No one wants to see any one hurt, so in that sense, kudos to the administration

2 - Have to wonder if the players were consulted, and, if so, what they wanted

3 - No one likes getting their ass kicked, but I hope that wasn't a factor in the decision

4 - I get that you can't forfeit what you haven't started, but also, in a small way, not fair that the opponents don't get a W

Interesting that as of this writing, it's on D3football and SNC's site, but not on Grinnell's

EDIT:
On the GC college site, not football page:
https://www.grinnell.edu/news/grinnell-college-football-season-cancelled-due-player-injuries
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 01, 2019, 03:07:18 PM
Getting the W won't change anything for anybody remaining on their schedule. But even if many of the games weren't like to be competitive, they still had value. I would think SNC, 91-0 winners over Grinnell last season, is quite disappointed they won't play Saturday. You get a lot of kids some PT, and a resulting lot of happy parents, not to mention they had Hall of Fame Day going on, according to their schedule. And for all I know they could use another look at their QBs in game action. No one has really laid claim to the wheel there yet.

Grinnell was showing up to games last season with around 30 guys dressed. That's tough. You get to 27 and you might have some guys go both ways. I don't know if that's doable in college football, even if it is D3. Or you might be playing a 180-lb freshman safety/linebacker at guard because you're short on bigs (that's usually where thin rosters suffer most). That's where the injury concern gets really ramped up, IMO, when you give up 100+ lbs to the guy lined up across from you.

Just too bad for everybody. Grinnell isn't far removed from being competitive. Just five years ago they were 3-7 but played almost everybody pretty close. Just a couple years before that they hung one on Monmouth and went 6-4.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2019, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 01, 2019, 06:35:24 AM
Scottie, how are you?

Hey F-Dad. Personally, I'm good but keeping very busy and pulled away from our beloved MWC more than I would like. Regarding today's news, I'm a tad disturbed to say the least.  More thoughts later.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2019, 05:48:28 PM
I mean.....

a. Gee whiz, what do you expect, Grinnell, when you have a roster of 39?

b. On the other hand, sometimes players have to play both ways.  (Hey, linebacker, you're now a fullback too.)  "The ol' College Try!"

c. Could this be a millennial thing?  (Asking for a friend.)   ;D

d.  Would they have delayed their decision if they were playing Knox and Beloit over the next two weeks instead of SNC and the Good Guys?

d.  Does the coaching staff still get paid for the rest of the season?  Do they all get fired??  (Seriously)

e. Can this epic fail be used in any way to taunt the GC basketball team after they run up the score against *Add Name Here* Bible College in about a month?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2019, 05:53:30 PM
If the conference wanted to give everyone in the division a conference win, it could do that for conference record-keeping purposes only, but since there haven't been any division games yet, it doesn't seem necessary.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 01, 2019, 06:05:48 PM
What I will say about Grinnell when they played Lake Forest, their players played as hard as they could to the end of the game.  They at no time took the easy way out and quit.  I would be surprised if the players decided this. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2019, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 01, 2019, 06:05:48 PM
What I will say about Grinnell when they played Lake Forest, their players played as hard as they could to the end of the game.  They at no time took the easy way out and quit.  I would be surprised if the players decided this.

So, "No tip-toeing " is what you're saying???   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 02, 2019, 08:29:34 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 01, 2019, 05:48:28 PM
I mean.....

a. Gee whiz, what do you expect, Grinnell, when you have a roster of 39?

b. On the other hand, sometimes players have to play both ways.  (Hey, linebacker, you're now a fullback too.)  "The ol' College Try!"

c. Could this be a millennial thing?  (Asking for a friend.)   ;D

d.  Would they have delayed their decision if they were playing Knox and Beloit over the next two weeks instead of SNC and the Good Guys?

d.  Does the coaching staff still get paid for the rest of the season?  Do they all get fired??  (Seriously)

e. Can this epic fail be used in any way to taunt the GC basketball team after they run up the score against *Add Name Here* Bible College in about a month?

a. They've rolled with a sub-40 roster for a few years now. I don't think it's by choice.

b. In high school it happens because you're really good. In this case it's because you're the last-man standing. Ya, suck it up, u-rah-rah, but it's an invitation to injury.

c. Because it's Grinnell? Not following.

d. That's a good point. Kind of wondered if they considered just taking select weeks off. You'd piss off SNC but so what? They're leaving the league anyway.

other d. Also a good question. I don't mean to be harsh but that guy's been in charge 10 years. If there's ever time for a change, this certainly looks to be it.

e. Always good to have some new material.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 02, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
should be able to produce a college roster larger than 39 players. this is a recruiting issue.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2019, 09:49:07 AM
Very quick counting, so these are approximate roster counts in the MWC:

Beloit 41
Chicago 99
Cornell 55
Grinnell 39
IC 112
Knox 56
Lake Forest 98
Lawrence 49
Macalester 71
Monmouth 113
Ripon 85
SNC 114

AVG = 78  (2 x the GC roster) 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 02, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
should be able to produce a college roster larger than 39 players. this is a recruiting issue.

Just to call it a recruiting issue glosses over other potential institutional factors that could contribute to low roster numbers.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2019, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 02, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
should be able to produce a college roster larger than 39 players. this is a recruiting issue.

Just to call it a recruiting issue glosses over other potential institutional factors that could contribute to low roster numbers.

Such as.....?   (And 'high academic standards' is not a recruiting issue.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 02, 2019, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 02, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
should be able to produce a college roster larger than 39 players. this is a recruiting issue.

Just to call it a recruiting issue glosses over other potential institutional factors that could contribute to low roster numbers.

Such as.....?   (And 'high academic standards' is not a recruiting issue.)

Based on .....? Have you tried to recruit football players to Grinnell? Curious...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 02, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 02, 2019, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 02, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
should be able to produce a college roster larger than 39 players. this is a recruiting issue.

Just to call it a recruiting issue glosses over other potential institutional factors that could contribute to low roster numbers.

Such as.....?   (And 'high academic standards' is not a recruiting issue.)

Based on .....? Have you tried to recruit football players to Grinnell? Curious...

An institutional commitment to athletics/football. Investment in facilities. It's pretty easy to tie athletic success in the MWC or any league to who's got the nicest, newest stuff.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on October 02, 2019, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 02, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
should be able to produce a college roster larger than 39 players. this is a recruiting issue.

Just to call it a recruiting issue glosses over other potential institutional factors that could contribute to low roster numbers.

Their baseball team has 44 on the roster currently. There's more to this issue for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Pat, please name one distinctly unique difference/disadvantage that Grinnell College has compared to the wide cross section of institutions in DIII football (aside from being among the wealthiest). 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 02, 2019, 11:38:00 AM
I am just spitballing, but athletic recruiting is somewhat symptomatic of admissions as a whole. An institution that has no history of success in a sport is not going to turn around in a year or two. I would present Lawrence as an example. Once upon a time they were a strong football program. They fell WAY behind in recruiting and facilities in the 90s and 00s. After several strong classes this year they ended up with...checks notes...10 first year players. And the bleed that haunts the program is simply awful.  When the Banta Bowl renovation was being considered there was real discussion of discontinuing the program. Football is expensive to operate, and the net student revenue is not exactly the strongest compared to other programs.

Grinnell has never had a conference winner (if I recall correctly). Football is just not their sport. Hoops, sure. Golf, some soccer, swimming, baseball (how do you get 44 baseball players at one time?). I don't know that they can fix this issue for football. Many similar schools in Iowa with stronger programs. Coe or Grinnell? And students go greater distance. Grinnell or Carleton?

We will see over the next half century the loss of a bunch of D3 schools. Grinnell will be safe. Their football program? Not sure at all.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 02, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Pat, please name one distinctly unique difference/disadvantage that Grinnell College has compared to the wide cross section of institutions in DIII football (aside from being among the wealthiest).

Every school, and every admissions department and financial aid office, is different. It's not nearly as homogeneous as you seem to want to make it sound.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pioneer27 on October 02, 2019, 12:10:56 PM
The admission requirements at Grinnell along with the courses offered at Grinnell are a major issue with this topic.  While most midwest Lib Art colleges in the midwest have recently struggled (especially in Iowa) to fill incoming classes, Grinnell is not struggling due to its ability to bring students from across the country and world.  Most midwest schools are regional, which is an issue due fewer students in these areas compared to past decades.  Grinnell is actually becoming more selective as the admit rate has been decreasing. On paper it is getting harder to get into the school.

Now I have seen many here (I've been lurking for years) say why not just lower the standards to fill a roster.    Sure you could do that, but that is unfair to those students when the could struggle in the classroom if they are not provided the resources to help those students.  For instance Grinnell offers no math course below calculus.   Every single science major requires at least one semester of Calculus.  If a student is admitted to fill a roster slot but does not have the academic background to be successful in the classroom is it fair to admit them, especially when you consider the investment many of those families make to attend Grinnell and any other Liber Arts College for that matter.  Math is just one area this exists, you can see this across the curriculum.   One could argue that Grinnell could invest more resources to offer more courses for students that might not be prepared for these types of courses.    But on the whole the institution does have an incentive to offer lower level courses when it has no issue filling its incoming class with students who are adequately prepared to be successful in those courses. 

It's very complicated.   Many factors institutionally impact the coaches ability to just recruit better.   Grinnell has actually invested heavily into football to deal with the issue of its roster size.   It's a complicated problem, one many are still trying to work out.   Unfortunately this year the season has ended much earlier then anyone wanted it to.   

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 02, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
For the record, 1998 Grinnell team was 10-0 and MWC champion. A few years ago, sure, but hardly leather helmet days.

A factoid worth sharing: Grinnell acceptance rate is 20%. Monmouth, 52%; Lawrence, 63%; Ripon, 65%; Beloit, 70%; SNC, 81%.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on October 02, 2019, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: WW on October 02, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
For the record, 1998 Grinnell team was 10-0 and MWC champion. A few years ago, sure, but hardly leather helmet days.

A factoid worth sharing: Grinnell acceptance rate is 20%. Monmouth, 52%; Lawrence, 63%; Ripon, 65%; Beloit, 70%; SNC, 81%.

University of Chicago acceptance rate for this past class: 5.9%. They have right around 100 on the roster.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 02, 2019, 01:15:48 PM
The selection rates and academic rigor standard does not hold up in this argument.  (Comparing to Grinnell at #14 in US News, National Liberal Arts....)

#1 Williams, Roster of 71, current record 2-1
#2 Amherst, Roster of 76, current record 3-0

Don't make me keep going....  :)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 01:35:41 PM
And in the NESCAC they would play fewer games and play no non-conference games and would generally get ground down less, so yeah, maybe they would still be playing.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2019, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 02, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Pat, please name one distinctly unique difference/disadvantage that Grinnell College has compared to the wide cross section of institutions in DIII football (aside from being among the wealthiest).

It's in Grinnell, Iowa

I kid, I kid...  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 02, 2019, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2019, 01:35:41 PM
And in the NESCAC they would play fewer games and play no non-conference games and would generally get ground down less, so yeah, maybe they would still be playing.

The NESCAC plays nine games. Is one game going to make that big of a difference? If so then Grinnell could schedule one game outside of the league instead of two. I am surprised no one has made comparisons to Macalester yet. For a long time they had low numbers and weren't very good and in their first year in the MWC they won the league. Stands to reason if a school with a similar academic profile such as Macalester can be competitive anyone should be able to.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 02, 2019, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 02, 2019, 01:15:48 PM
The selection rates and academic rigor standard does not hold up in this argument.  (Comparing to Grinnell at #14 in US News, National Liberal Arts....)

#1 Williams, Roster of 71, current record 2-1
#2 Amherst, Roster of 76, current record 3-0

Don't make me keep going....  :)

I'm not making an argument as much as pointing out that Grinnell has a much more limited pool of athletes from which to draw, by choice, compared to their MWC competition. Don't really have a horse in this race. But Grinnell might be 3-0 against a NESCAC schedule right now too. Those teams are awful.

Kudos to Chicago, though. Proving it can be done.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pioneer27 on October 02, 2019, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on October 02, 2019, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 02, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Pat, please name one distinctly unique difference/disadvantage that Grinnell College has compared to the wide cross section of institutions in DIII football (aside from being among the wealthiest).

It's in Grinnell, Iowa

I kid, I kid...  ;D

It is true though.   One of the top reasons admitted students decide not to come
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 02, 2019, 03:50:59 PM
Like WW, my comments are presented as an outsider for the Grinnell discussion.  The suspension of the program for the remainder of the year was a disappointing occurrence, however, in reality it was the right decision for now, IMO, simply regarding the safety issues with only 28 healthy players on the roster.

Another poster (not on this board) made the statement (obviously his opinion, just like all the other posters here, including me) that not every school needs to have (i.e. should have) a football program.  I disagree with that premise, although, admittedly, am biased.  We've had that argument/discussion before with the Swarthmore debacle nearly 20 years ago.  Certainly, if a college/university administration and alumni decide they do not want a football program, that is their prerogative.  Yet, there is no reason that a football program cannot be sustained, regardless of a college's/university's financial, academic, admissions, economic policies/philosophies, etc., etc., which vary widely among the DIII schools as several posters have pointed out here already.  If a school truly believes in the reasons for the program, there are ways/means to make it happen and we've seen many examples of that having been successfully done in DIII (and even in other NCAA divisions as well, of course, in which the demographics and philosophies are widely different than at our DIII.) 

The bottom line as we all know is that the administration and alumni need to be committed to the cause.  We all agree as to the benefits of the intercollegiate athletic programs (and other collegiate non-athletic organizations and programs) and if some groups are afforded that privilege, the others should be as well. Where there's a will, there's a way.  Let's hope that Grinnell (and Earlham and Occidental) doesn't go the misguided Hutchins way of the "old" University of Chicago or the Swarthmore, Menlo and others.  That would be a shame.  Hopefully, honestly committed groups of alumni and administrators will be able to sincerely look at re-organizational plan options for next year. I am rooting for them/for you Grinnell supporters here.       
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 02, 2019, 04:12:46 PM
A couple other points.  Scotty listed the roster sizes of a couple NESCAC teams.  Those are roster limit rosters.  They would actually have more players if they weren't limited.  And while I will say that the NESCAC teams are not top 25, the top half of the league plays pretty good football.  (Yes Pat, I actually said that).

I will also bring up Lake Forest because of my experience with them.  LFC's roster was 61 my sons freshman year, 2011.  Look backwards in the year end results and you will see a bottom feeder program.  The interim Head Coach was a VERY good recruiter (Now the Head Coach).  After a couple years of his recruiting we were MWC Co-Champs.  Now after steady hard recruiting and steady season results, bingo, roster of 100.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 02, 2019, 08:40:44 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 02, 2019, 04:12:46 PM
A couple other points.  Scotty listed the roster sizes of a couple NESCAC teams.  Those are roster limit rosters.  They would actually have more players if they weren't limited.  And while I will say that the NESCAC teams are not top 25, the top half of the league plays pretty good football.  (Yes Pat, I actually said that).

I will also bring up Lake Forest because of my experience with them.  LFC's roster was 61 my sons freshman year, 2011.  Look backwards in the year end results and you will see a bottom feeder program.  The interim Head Coach was a VERY good recruiter (Now the Head Coach).  After a couple years of his recruiting we were MWC Co-Champs.  Now after steady hard recruiting and steady season results, bingo, roster of 100.

Alas, since they (NESCAC) refuse to join the playoffs, or even have ANY OOC games, we may never know.  Based on their national success in most other sports, I suspect that their football teams are pretty damned competitive (or at least would be, if allowed to compete for a couple of years).  Top 25?  Who the hell knows?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2019, 08:23:01 AM
In lieu of recent events, the 2019 Most Valuable Performer trophy should be engraved today.  Congratulations Beloit training staff!!!  Somewhere, The Roop is smiling.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2019, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 02, 2019, 08:40:44 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 02, 2019, 04:12:46 PM
A couple other points.  Scotty listed the roster sizes of a couple NESCAC teams.  Those are roster limit rosters.  They would actually have more players if they weren't limited.  And while I will say that the NESCAC teams are not top 25, the top half of the league plays pretty good football.  (Yes Pat, I actually said that).

I will also bring up Lake Forest because of my experience with them.  LFC's roster was 61 my sons freshman year, 2011.  Look backwards in the year end results and you will see a bottom feeder program.  The interim Head Coach was a VERY good recruiter (Now the Head Coach).  After a couple years of his recruiting we were MWC Co-Champs.  Now after steady hard recruiting and steady season results, bingo, roster of 100.

Alas, since they (NESCAC) refuse to join the playoffs, or even have ANY OOC games, we may never know.  Based on their national success in most other sports, I suspect that their football teams are pretty damned competitive (or at least would be, if allowed to compete for a couple of years).  Top 25?  Who the hell knows?

Good points, Mr. Ypsi.  That decision just doesn't make sense to me and is a bit hypocritical, IMO (and the Ivy Group is included in this). Both conferences refuse to allow the football teams to participate in post-season playoffs, however, they allow their other collegiate sport teams to participate in the national championship post-season games, such as basketball, track and field, and hockey.

We've had conversations/discussions with posters from the NESCAC board about this in past years and no one from there has been able to provide a definitive (and reasonable) answer as to why.  They just say that is the way the presidents and coaches want it, although I wonder how many of the current coaches, in reality, are really in support of it.  I don't believe at all that Colby HC Cosgrove, who was the HC at FCS Maine for 23 seasons and directed his team in the national championship playoffs (5 NCAA post-season appearances during his tenure there), wouldn't be of the personal opinion that there is no reason why the NESCAC shouldn't allow football post-season participation.  However, perhaps he has changed his mind now that he is at Colby, yet, my guess is that, more likely, he simply has to accept the current decision by the NESCAC "powers that be" and "play that game."

On the other hand, maybe there is some (faint) hope that decision might be changed someday-for a long time, they said they would never play more than 8 games in the season and that was changed.  So we'll see, although probably that will not occur anytime soon, if at all. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 03, 2019, 10:16:53 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 03, 2019, 08:23:01 AM
In lieu of recent events, the 2019 Most Valuable Performer trophy should be engraved today.  Congratulations Beloit training staff!!!  Somewhere, The Roop is smiling.

Yep, go Bucs! But the numbers tell a story there too -- specifically the numbers of three of their four down D linemen last week were 36, 40 and 44.

You'd have to say Beloit football is, if not on the endangered list, at least on the watch list. That's too bad. Lots of history at old Strong Stadium. It's a great place to watch a game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 03, 2019, 10:50:35 AM
The new Beloit Coach came from the Forest.  He's a great guy/coach/recruiter.  Give him a chance...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2019, 04:59:35 PM
ww:

Just curious in follow-up to your last post...Has there been indications (or backroom statements) that Beloit is or would consider discontinuing their football program?  Agree with you that would be a shame.  But, again, in keeping with the recent Grinnell discussion, there are always ways to save and improve a program. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 03, 2019, 08:05:55 PM
Google "Beloit College deficit" and you'll see their immediate concerns are larger than saving a football program.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 03, 2019, 08:29:20 PM
To be accurate....  I doubt anyone on this post believes that Grinnell has discontinued (ie. eliminated) football permanently.  Right???
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2019, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: WW on October 03, 2019, 08:05:55 PM
Google "Beloit College deficit" and you'll see their immediate concerns are larger than saving a football program.

Thanks for the direction.  I had no idea it was that bad.  Some of the colleges who have faced the possibility of discontinuing their football programs (and some that did so) did not face the overall debt that Beloit is contending with-rather some of those simply in an attempt to reduce costs in the face of declining financial bases and income and despite having good endowments and available monies, they focused on the football programs, which we all know are the most expensive among the sports sponsored at schools.  Some of them have been able (and were determined enough) to save and continue the football programs, which is what I allude to when I mention that there are many ways to accomplish that. 

However, all that said, you are absolutely right that Beloit has more serious concerns than focusing on the fate of the football program.  Their current situation is similar to that of St. Joseph's College in Rensselaer, IN, a Division II athletic program, including football, which went defunct 2 years ago due to needing $100 million per year to continue operating (including to cover its debt.)  As others here on these boards have said, it is a definite fear that we may see many of these very old and great small colleges go defunct within the next decade due to these financial crises/challenges.  Certainly, it appears from the articles you mention, the current president and administration is doing all it can to work their new plan to save the college, although it will take some real belief, commitment, and sacrifice by the faculty and staff who are allowed to remain.  I feel for all those people as well as the students and alumni.

All of this, then makes me think then perhaps former HC Duerr saw this "writing on the wall" in his decision to return to his former school DII Tiffen as an assistant, yes, even though his HC overall record was not great, but perhaps that was not unexpected in view of the recruiting challenges he and his staff faced. And perhaps even more so that current HC Soenksen chose to a solid job at Lake Forest for a situation such as at Beloit and some of his friends/colleagues from other places join him there, other than it was an opportunity for him for a head coaching position.  The bottom line is I will (along with many others, of course) be very sad if not only the football program, but the entire college goes under.  Let's hope and pray that doesn't happen.  They have a tough, probably more than uphill battle.  Defiance College is in a very similar position also.

Anyway, thanks again for the direction to those articles for further information and education on this-much appreciated.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 03, 2019, 08:52:51 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 03, 2019, 08:29:20 PM
To be accurate....  I doubt anyone on this post believes that Grinnell has discontinued (ie. eliminated) football permanently.  Right???

Well, it wasn't mentioned that way in the released announcement by the school.  And I believe we all agree that while we hope that doesn't happen, it will depend on how they approach the potential options for stability and reorganization of the program.  I would hope they might consult other colleges who are going through this same problem such as Occidental, Earlham, Defiance to name a few as well as consult even others who have successfully met the challenge, such as Olivet (or even Oberlin and Kenyon) for example.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2019, 10:55:37 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 03, 2019, 08:29:20 PM
To be accurate....  I doubt anyone on this post believes that Grinnell has discontinued (ie. eliminated) football permanently.  Right???

I don't think they have as of yet. The past two programs that have done this both came back. Neither Lewis & Clark nor Occidental is competitive right now, but they have enough numbers to be safe.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on October 04, 2019, 09:32:01 AM
Grinnell has to make their own institutional decisions. They are an exceptional academic school. That doesn't preclude being good or even just competitive at FB.

For examples (removing NESCAC schools):

Johns Hopkins
Case Western Reserve
Carnegie Mellon
University of Chicago
Washington University StL
Carleton (A 7+ win team if they're in the MWC each year)
Macalester (MWC counterpart)
RPI
MIT (7.9% acceptance rate, and I'm guessing there calculus class isn't a pushover  ;D)
Oberlin (not great, but they field team that's capable of winning 3-5 games each season)

Point being, there's absolutely a way to field a team that's competitive at academically elite institutions without sacrificing the academic integrity and culture of said institution. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 04, 2019, 10:35:54 AM
In reference to your St. Joe's comparison, d3db, I've gotta pal who graduated from there. Sounds like they were very uniquely mismanaged. I'm not sure what the issue at Beloit is/was, perhaps just a short-term marketing failure that has potentially disastrous effects.

Anyway, back to football. They played 34 guys last week, so they have more of a cushion than Grinnell did. Still, they're dangerously close to the edge. And getting pounded by Chicago tomorrow probably won't raise spirits any...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Oberlin also in its not-too-distant past dropped out of the NCAC for football for a year in order to regroup. It has hardly been smooth sailing there, either, as their roster numbers have also been low.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on October 04, 2019, 11:26:42 AM
Also should note, I'm not saying the cancelation of the season is the wrong move for player safety concerns. I don't know enough about the guys remaining to make a call there. Just noting that the reason they ended up here wasn't necessarily inevitable. Especially given the financial aid packages Grinnell kids get. There's a way to recruit players with that kind of aid ammunition. Provided you've got the right people at the helm.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Oberlin also in its not-too-distant past dropped out of the NCAC for football for a year in order to regroup. It has hardly been smooth sailing there, either, as their roster numbers have also been low.

Good to know on that Pat. I included them at the last minute, albeit without a ton of knowledge compared to the other schools on the list.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 04, 2019, 02:55:57 PM
Gentlemen (I am assuming a bit there but I have not seen a lot of women posting on the FB side), I have to say this has been a wonderful run of comments. Nice to see the MWC can have reasonable discussions on tough topics.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 04, 2019, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on October 04, 2019, 02:55:57 PM
Gentlemen (I am assuming a bit there but I have not seen a lot of women posting on the FB side), I have to say this has been a wonderful run of comments. Nice to see the MWC can have reasonable discussions on tough topics.

All since my return to the board.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 04, 2019, 09:02:50 PM
hazzben: Thank you! What I said, too on both counts!

Pat: Yes, good point.  And just for the heck of it (or FWIW), remember "way back"? When they almost dropped the program completely,  were down to 40 players, but then brought in former NFL'er Jake Scott (and Tommie Smith for track.)  They came back from that tough time, but as you mention, rosters have been down, and quite a bit since the Ramsey days.)  Different times admittedly, but the same "in general" with regard to the challenge.

ww:  Yes, without knowing the true inside facts regarding Grinnell, just based on the articles you directed me too, mismanagement is not the problem at all.  Conversely, it would appear that the St. Joseph debacle (from the published information) was some serious mismanagement, even if unintentional.  Quite unlike Morris Brown University in Atlanta, GA.  Now that was, indeed, a tragedy. 

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 06, 2019, 11:27:47 AM
Any word from the Beloit training room after Saturday's rough day against the Maroons?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 06, 2019, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 06, 2019, 11:27:47 AM
Any word from the Beloit training room after Saturday's rough day against the Maroons?

Catching up on the box scores from yesterday after the Knights' day off am I seeing this right that Beloit and Chicago played one minute quarters in the second half? That plus Grinnell's situation did not make this week one of the MWC's finest hours. You really have to wonder where the MWC will be in a few years at this rate.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 06, 2019, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 06, 2019, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 06, 2019, 11:27:47 AM
Any word from the Beloit training room after Saturday's rough day against the Maroons?

Catching up on the box scores from yesterday after the Knights' day off am I seeing this right that Beloit and Chicago played one minute quarters in the second half? That plus Grinnell's situation did not make this week one of the MWC's finest hours. You really have to wonder where the MWC will be in a few years at this rate.

It was multiple weather delays beginning at halftime. Eventually it became clear that game resumption wasn't happening. In order to ensure game was official, they did the one-minute quarters/possessions by agreement. I think each team executed a kneel-down.

Meanwhile, Beloit College grad Derek Carrier is catching passes on TV as I type this for the Oakland Raiders. I find that highly remarkable.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 06, 2019, 02:00:19 PM
I would assume games just down the road in Rockford and just up the road in Whitewater were similarly affected but those games were finished. I would further assume that the score in the Beloit game had a far bigger bearing on the decision than the weather based on those other nearby games being able to finish. Big slippery slope created in the MWC. Once one or two do things like this it makes it a lot easier for everyone else to do the same.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 06, 2019, 02:19:40 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 06, 2019, 02:00:19 PM
I would assume games just down the road in Rockford and just up the road in Whitewater were similarly affected but those games were finished. I would further assume that the score in the Beloit game had a far bigger bearing on the decision than the weather based on those other nearby games being able to finish. Big slippery slope created in the MWC. Once one or two do things like this it makes it a lot easier for everyone else to do the same.

Yeah, well, no sh!t. Were you expecting a Beloit rally? I guess you don't have to a genius conspiracy theorist to figure out that a 48-0 halftime score and a team that appears to be down to 30 healthy players had something to do with it. Don't know what happens in Rockford but Whitewater had a long delay too. A crowd of 9822 was down to 2 when they resumed according to an observer on the WIAC board. That game was both competitive and featured teams with healthy rosters.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on October 06, 2019, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: WW on October 06, 2019, 02:19:40 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 06, 2019, 02:00:19 PM
I would assume games just down the road in Rockford and just up the road in Whitewater were similarly affected but those games were finished. I would further assume that the score in the Beloit game had a far bigger bearing on the decision than the weather based on those other nearby games being able to finish. Big slippery slope created in the MWC. Once one or two do things like this it makes it a lot easier for everyone else to do the same.

Yeah, well, no sh!t. Were you expecting a Beloit rally? I guess you don't have to a genius conspiracy theorist to figure out that a 48-0 halftime score and a team that appears to be down to 30 healthy players had something to do with it. Don't know what happens in Rockford but Whitewater had a long delay too. A crowd of 9822 was down to 2 when they resumed according to an observer on the WIAC board. That game was both competitive and featured teams with healthy rosters.

Which leads to my overall point that it was not a great week for the Midwest Conference on the gridiron.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 07, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: WW on October 06, 2019, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on October 06, 2019, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: scottie on October 06, 2019, 11:27:47 AM
Any word from the Beloit training room after Saturday's rough day against the Maroons?

Catching up on the box scores from yesterday after the Knights' day off am I seeing this right that Beloit and Chicago played one minute quarters in the second half? That plus Grinnell's situation did not make this week one of the MWC's finest hours. You really have to wonder where the MWC will be in a few years at this rate.

It was multiple weather delays beginning at halftime. Eventually it became clear that game resumption wasn't happening. In order to ensure game was official, they did the one-minute quarters/possessions by agreement. I think each team executed a kneel-down.

Meanwhile, Beloit College grad Derek Carrier is catching passes on TV as I type this for the Oakland Raiders. I find that highly remarkable.

Carrier was playing when my oldest was at Lake Forest.  Him and Alex Tanney playing the same time in the MWC was pretty remarkable!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 08, 2019, 08:56:33 AM
Saturday looks like another fine fall day for football (sarcasm font) and a key matchup in the MWC North, SNC at Ripon. I expected far better things out of the Red Hawks this season, especially offensively, but they appear to have trouble passing, running, and if they do either of those things, then they have trouble holding onto the football. 5 turnovers last week... if they hang onto the ball better, they give Monmouth a game last week. The defense looks pretty stout.

SNC has turnover issues of their own. I'll be curious to see if they commit to a QB for this one. The weather certainly would seem to favor Poorman, the better runner and the less interception-prone of the two.

My guess is this one is for all the marbles in the North, and perhaps the best shot Ripon has had vs Norbs in years.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 08, 2019, 06:04:52 PM
Yep, Saturday should be a great day for football.  Who do the Good Guys play this week.......?   Oops, never mind.  Enjoy, Y'all!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2019, 10:31:38 AM
Macalester... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan212 on October 11, 2019, 11:00:48 AM
Didn't you guys lose to Macalester last year?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 11, 2019, 01:16:48 PM
Yup, 28-27....
Why we are looking forward to tomorrow.
Your first post you take a pot shot?

WOW!

LOL
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 12, 2019, 04:50:40 PM
Lake Forest doesn't lose this year.  Win 24-7.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 12, 2019, 05:05:01 PM
Congrats to Coach Soenksen on his first win today as Beloit beats Lawrence!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 12, 2019, 07:26:56 PM
How bout you, Beloit! Buccaneers ain't dead yet!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 13, 2019, 05:25:58 PM
Quote from: WW on October 12, 2019, 07:26:56 PM
How bout you, Beloit! Buccaneers ain't dead yet!

Somewhere The Roop is smiling.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 14, 2019, 10:04:41 AM
As the lone LU fan on the boards, all I can say is thank God basketball season starts soon. JFC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Not My Nachos on October 15, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
IL College at Monmouth...thoughts?  This game is kind of interesting.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 15, 2019, 02:19:11 PM
IC put up a lot of points the last 2 games.  But Monmouth looks powerful this year.  Monmouth by 14.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2019, 08:32:38 PM
Quote from: Not My Nachos on October 15, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
IL College at Monmouth...thoughts?  This game is kind of interesting.

Pssshhhh
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 16, 2019, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: Not My Nachos on October 15, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
IL College at Monmouth...thoughts?  This game is kind of interesting.

IC has lit it up against bad teams, and struggled vs Ripon which hasn't looked good. Monmouth at Chicago 11/2... that's the next big MWC tilt
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: MWCfan212 on October 17, 2019, 11:13:12 AM
Have we heard any news out of Uchicago this year? Last I checked, starting All-Conference QB and WR from last year are off the team.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 17, 2019, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: MWCfan212 on October 17, 2019, 11:13:12 AM
Have we heard any news out of Uchicago this year? Last I checked, starting All-Conference QB and WR from last year are off the team.

Hmmmm, just checked myself and you're right, it appears the Jacksons are no longer on the roster. Cobian (the current QB) got plenty of reps in the past, though, and piloted them to a comfortable win over Lake Forest three weeks ago in what appears to be first game since those guys left. Last two games (Beloit, Knox) got him some more reps, but hard to say of what value. I'd still see the Maroons as Monmouth's bigger remaining challenger before the champ game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
SNC up 42-0 at the half and rolls to 66-0 win.

I think Beloit ran two plays in SNC territory. Had 57 total yards.

Mac lead LU 7-6 at the half, added three more FG for a 16-6 win in Appleton
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 19, 2019, 09:18:23 PM
Chicago beats Cornell, 56-7

LFC beats Ripon, 34-27

Monmouth beats IC, 30-15
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on October 21, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
I attended the Mac at LU game. Not a lot of great offense. Lawrence scored on a long fly sweep in the first half. Then they started throwing a lot of INT. Bunch of incomplete passes by LU. They had chances,  but just they don't have it to make that next step to middle of the division. Now we move to that portion of the schedule where you hope to be within three TDs.

Yep, moving on to basketball...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 28, 2019, 09:28:05 AM
Another example of why SNC's SID is the cream of the crop:

"The Green Knights (4-2, 3-0 MWC North) held Lawrence to two first downs and 67 yards of total offense. The Vikings went three-and-out on 11 of their 13 possessions, and their second first down came on a defensive penalty by St. Norbert. The game was the first time since 1946 St. Norbert held an opponent to two first downs or less in a game, when it held St. Joseph's (Ind.) College to one in a 23-0 win on Nov. 17, 1946."
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 29, 2019, 07:47:52 AM
You watching up there, puck? What's the QB deal now? I see sophomore WR (?) Ben Kohl now taking snaps, along with McClanahan. Where's Poorman?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: D3fan12 on October 29, 2019, 10:48:31 AM
The head coach at Grinnell College has stepped away from the program amidst all of the things going on with the season being cancelled. Surprisingly the AD has named himself the interim head coach for the time being. Not sure why no one on staff was named interim HC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on October 29, 2019, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: WW on October 29, 2019, 07:47:52 AM
You watching up there, puck? What's the QB deal now? I see sophomore WR (?) Ben Kohl now taking snaps, along with McClanahan. Where's Poorman?

It's been mostly McClanahan and Kohl. Kohl is more of a running option. I don't have an answer on Poorman.

But the last two weeks have been a combined 107-0, with Beloit and Lawrence getting a combined five first downs. I think playing Kohl - who rushed for 90 against Beloit and 95 yards against the Vikings - may have been a matter not throwing the ball all over against an overmatched opponent.

I doubt SNC passes just 17 times this week like it did vs, the Bucs.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2019, 08:04:58 AM
Cuz it's probably time to wipe the slate clean at Grinnell.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
Of note to last weeks game.  Anna Zerilli kicked an extra point for Lake Forest.  Could be the first female kicker in the MWC to do so???????
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 30, 2019, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on October 30, 2019, 08:04:58 AM
Cuz it's probably time to wipe the slate clean at Grinnell.....
Quote from: D3fan12 on October 29, 2019, 10:48:31 AM
The head coach at Grinnell College has stepped away from the program amidst all of the things going on with the season being cancelled. Surprisingly the AD has named himself the interim head coach for the time being. Not sure why no one on staff was named interim HC

Well, at least it appears from the article that the administrators are committed to making a serious overhaul of the program and get it to some stability and being at least competitive.  That is very different as to what we've seen at Earlham (at least haven't heard much about any progress and/or what actually is going on with the process there to date; or even how it went down at  Maranantha or Blackburn in the past to name a couple others), but perhaps similar to Occidental.  For now, I think that is a positive.  Obviously, we'll just have to wait and see what happens, although I think it is good they made a fairly quick announcement as to what a tentative "game plan" is going to be.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 02, 2019, 06:25:25 PM
SNC takes care of business at Macalester. Still on track for north showdown with LFC
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 02, 2019, 11:34:14 PM
Sounds like an Instant Classic in Chicago today.  Any reports would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2019, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2019, 11:34:14 PM
Sounds like an Instant Classic in Chicago today.  Any reports would be greatly appreciated.

I wouldn't call it a classic. Bizarre, yes.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 04, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2019, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2019, 11:34:14 PM
Sounds like an Instant Classic in Chicago today.  Any reports would be greatly appreciated.

I wouldn't call it a classic. Bizarre, yes.

This is the part where you elaborate.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 05, 2019, 12:28:42 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 04, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2019, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 02, 2019, 11:34:14 PM
Sounds like an Instant Classic in Chicago today.  Any reports would be greatly appreciated.

I wouldn't call it a classic. Bizarre, yes.

This is the part where you elaborate.....

Swirling winds were blowing 15-20 mph almost all game, which made downfield throws an adventure. None of the quarterbacks played particularly well. Monmouth did one long 30-yard heave which led to a TD, but both QBs they used were uninspiring. Almost all their completions came on one side of the field which they sniffed out as an exploitable match-up.
It was all about the run game, and Lawrence burned UChicago every time he got into space on the edge. He was almost solely responsible for the win - if he didn't score all their TDs, Monmouth would have probably had 7 points at best.
However, the Maroons' run game was even better, averaging almost 6 yards a carry. Martinson gashed them for big gains (10 to 30 yards) multiple times. After doinking an extra point earlier, the Maroons eventually tied it in the fourth on a two-point conversion pass.
It was a defensive battle for sure. The hosts had to be kicking themselves on the 2nd TD drive when they allowed a pair of improbable 3rd down conversions, including a PI penalty that was whistled after the QB threw the ball away while pressured.
As good as Biel has been kicking this year, Monmouth made the mistake of attempting a pair of long field goals that seemed doomed before the ball was even hiked. UC is one of the best kick blocking teams in the country and have made it a signature strength. Their stud defensive tackle blocked both kicks - he got through the line basically untouched on the first one.
The referees played much too big a role in the game unfortunately. UC had a touchdown catch taken away by a Dez Bryant like call when the TE landed in the end zone and lost the ball. The Scots had an acrobatic interception taken away from them because the DB was ruled out of bounds. Some of the penalties were suspect and they picked up a flag on at least one occasion. Monmouth's second TD should never have counted - the play clock was clearly showing 0 for at least a whole second before the ball was hiked, yet the refs never noticed.
Ultimately it all came down to one play in OT. The Maroons went for 2 and threw a misdirection pass to one of their offensive tackles. He leapt for the goal line with ball outstretched, but the last Scots defender met him and jarred the ball loose. It was impossible to see if the ball broke the plane or not, and the refs froze up on the call. Since it wasn't definitive by any stretch, they decided he didn't cross and that was game over.

In summary, that loss will stick in UChicago's craw for years. It was a very even game, but with the exception of Lawrence, the Maroons looked to be the better team. This is the most vulnerable the Scots have been in years, and it showed on Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 05, 2019, 12:36:14 PM
Well elaborated, blue jays. I agree with your summation of Monmouth's vulnerability. And it could be one of those years in which the league's best team isn't in the title game, but that's the way the football bounces sometimes. Anyway, my nickel's on Norby taking care of business vs the Foresters, and I think we'll see a different SNC-Monmouth game than the one in September in which SNC quarterbacks treated the football as if it were covered with fire ants.

Speaking of SNC, very curious to see if they're truly committed to the alternating QB approach (they were in the Beloit-Lawrence-Macalester stretch, but those were not competitive games). When Poorman went out (injured?) I figured they'd just give the job full time to McClanahan, but instead they took Kohl (a WR) and gave him Poorman's snaps. Don't see it work often but it might be the formula for the Knights.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 07, 2019, 08:46:12 AM
Not directly football related but about Ripon finances:
http://riponpress.com/Content/Home/Home/Article/Cuts-expected-for-Ripon-College/-2/-2/14572

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on November 08, 2019, 11:04:04 AM
Lawrence news.

http://vikings.lawrence.edu/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191107vop3r4?fbclid=IwAR1tG5jNxVdERTmYs5jLzTMAiAnrt5Bv0QV7xpo7LXS7aUgQy0je5MM-7LM
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 08, 2019, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on November 08, 2019, 11:04:04 AM
Lawrence news.

http://vikings.lawrence.edu/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/20191107vop3r4?fbclid=IwAR1tG5jNxVdERTmYs5jLzTMAiAnrt5Bv0QV7xpo7LXS7aUgQy0je5MM-7LM

Still not enough 6'5" 300 pound offensive linemen who play oboe for Lawrence to recruit ...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2019, 04:37:34 PM
Lake Forest had a 17-7 early in the second period. SNC took control the rest of the way. Now 34-20 with 4:38 left.

And the web feed announcer needs to learn that "Norbert" is singular.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2019, 04:47:15 PM
SNC wins!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2019, 08:15:07 PM
Monmouth wins, setting up the matchup many expecting.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 09, 2019, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 09, 2019, 04:47:15 PM
SNC wins!

Just back from the Land of Lexus. After the first quarter it was such a thoroughly enjoyable game I had to stop at Five O'Clock Club in Milwaukee for a nice steak. Hopefully we don't get off to a slow start at Monmouth next week. Every championship game these two teams have played has been a classic.

P.S. - Is fulbak dad OK?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 10, 2019, 07:41:10 AM
Yup, I'm good.  Was at a High School game. 

Lake Forest is a young talented team this year.  Finished where I was expecting them to.  High hopes for the next couple years though.

I now become a Monmouth fan for a week.  GO SCOTS!

;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 10, 2019, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 10, 2019, 07:41:10 AM
Yup, I'm good.  Was at a High School game. 

Lake Forest is a young talented team this year.  Finished where I was expecting them to.  High hopes for the next couple years though.

I now become a Monmouth fan for a week.  GO SCOTS!

;D

St. Norbert also very young this year. Should be a fun game when the two teams play for the last time in De Pere next year, but we'll worry about that next year. Championship to play for this week!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 11, 2019, 07:30:26 AM
Heard we had a good week in hockey though!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 11, 2019, 11:04:10 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 11, 2019, 07:30:26 AM
Heard we had a good week in hockey though!

Sure did. Not in soccer though.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 11, 2019, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 10, 2019, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 10, 2019, 07:41:10 AM
Yup, I'm good.  Was at a High School game. 

Lake Forest is a young talented team this year.  Finished where I was expecting them to.  High hopes for the next couple years though.

I now become a Monmouth fan for a week.  GO SCOTS!

;D

St. Norbert also very young this year. Should be a fun game when the two teams play for the last time in De Pere next year, but we'll worry about that next year. Championship to play for this week!

Should be a good one. I'll be the first to admit that after week 1, I thought we'd see two different teams duke it out in the MWC final, but here we are.

Both teams have been head scratchers at times this season. The Scots were thoroughly outclassed in their NC openers but seem to have the Lawrence-Francois lightning and thunder show on track. SNC appears to have settled on Gage McClanahan as QB, and that might have the Scots licking their chops, seeing how McC threw four picks to them in their earlier meeting this season. Kinda reminds me of a young Favre, that kid. Not in his talent but in that he zings the first few around too hard till he settles down. That's often harmless. Against MC that day, a lot of em ended up in Scots hands.

That's the thing about that earlier 34-14 Scots win. Eight turnovers for SNC is such an outlier... I'm not gonna put too much to stock in that game.

My pick: An outcome decided by overtime...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 12, 2019, 05:58:59 AM
Soccer final was hardly a surprise, but hockey?????
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 12, 2019, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 12, 2019, 05:58:59 AM
Soccer final was hardly a surprise, but hockey?????

Don't know what happened since I went to football, but it's sports. Even Alabama football loses once in a while.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 13, 2019, 07:51:33 AM
But you had time to pay attention to soccer? ???

Well let me fill you in.  You are correct, Alabama even loses, once.  But your #3 nationally ranked hockey team lost to Lake Forest twice last weekend.  And both at home.   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 13, 2019, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 13, 2019, 07:51:33 AM
But you had time to pay attention to soccer? ???

Well let me fill you in.  You are correct, Alabama even loses, once.  But your #3 nationally ranked hockey team lost to Lake Forest twice last weekend.  And both at home.   ;D

Surprising? Perhaps. Disappointing from this side? Sure. But a freshman goaltender, and young forwards.

Preseason rankings are largely based on last year's results and reputation, however... 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 13, 2019, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 13, 2019, 07:51:33 AM
But you had time to pay attention to soccer? ???

Well let me fill you in.  You are correct, Alabama even loses, once.  But your #3 nationally ranked hockey team lost to Lake Forest twice last weekend.  And both at home.   ;D

I was well aware of the results. What I wasn't aware of, since I wasn't there, is what happened to get to those results. Sorry for assuming your reading comprehension skills are above average.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 13, 2019, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 10, 2019, 07:41:10 AM
Yup, I'm good.  Was at a High School game. 

Lake Forest is a young talented team this year.  Finished where I was expecting them to.  High hopes for the next couple years though.

I now become a Monmouth fan for a week.  GO SCOTS!

;D

Welcome aboard the playoff train once again, F-Dad.  Keep your Saturdays free through December 20.  I've got a feeling about this team!   ;D ;D

p.s.  83% chance of a scottiesighting this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 13, 2019, 06:01:11 PM
I'm with ya Scottie!  Let's do a Monkey Stomp!

And Dangle, you crack me up! ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 01:03:18 PM
What's the blue bird thing next to Monmouth on the scoreboard page?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 02:03:55 PM
Much different game this time.

Halftime
SNC 7
Monmouth 3
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 03:36:27 PM
SNC has missed two field goals.

SNC failed to convert in fourth and 1 at the 11 with :53 left.

Monmouth one play to the SNC 40.

To the 35

To the 27.

SNC interception in the end zone. BUT pass interference.

Ball to the 12 with :15 left.

To the 5.

Scots TD with :02.3 left.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 03:38:11 PM
Scots win. Congrats.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 03:38:11 PM
Scots win. Congrats.

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 16, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

Sour Much?

P.S. F-Dad!  F-Yeah!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 16, 2019, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 03:38:11 PM
Scots win. Congrats.

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

Just back from Monmouth and witnessed what most certainly wasn't a great look for the MWC. This may sound like sour grapes but so be it...the conduct of some Monmouth players after the game was appalling. Players running up to St. Norbert players yelling "f*** St. Norbert" while giving them the finger was disgusting behavior, all within full view of their coaches!!! Not to mention during the game it looked like Monmouth players who weren't dressed for the game were allowed to roam outside of the team box and right up to the sideline. Isn't there a buffer zone in NCAA football? Does anyone at Monmouth have any control over their players? It sure didn't look like it to me. St. Norbert isn't perfect but I've never seen anything close to that at Schneider Stadium or at Minahan before that, or at any other stadium in the conference. It was a credit to the St. Norbert coaches that a bad situation wasn't made worse, at least they were able to keep their team under control. It's awful to lose a game that way but it's better to lose with class than win and act like jerks.

It's too bad. It marred what was a great game if it was allowed to stand on its own. With crap like this to deal with no wonder St. Norbert is leaving the league. I doubt anyone will do anything about it. Should be interesting when Monmouth heads north next September.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 16, 2019, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 16, 2019, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 03:38:11 PM
Scots win. Congrats.

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

Just back from Monmouth and witnessed what most certainly wasn't a great look for the MWC. This may sound like sour grapes but so be it...the conduct of some Monmouth players after the game was appalling. Players running up to St. Norbert players yelling "f*** St. Norbert" while giving them the finger was disgusting behavior, all within full view of their coaches!!! Not to mention during the game it looked like Monmouth players who weren't dressed for the game were allowed to roam outside of the team box and right up to the sideline. Isn't there a buffer zone in NCAA football? Does anyone at Monmouth have any control over their players? It sure didn't look like it to me. St. Norbert isn't perfect but I've never seen anything close to that at Schneider Stadium or at Minahan before that, or at any other stadium in the conference. It was a credit to the St. Norbert coaches that a bad situation wasn't made worse, at least they were able to keep their team under control. It's awful to lose a game that way but it's better to lose with class than win and act like jerks.

It's too bad. It marred what was a great game if it was allowed to stand on its own. With crap like this to deal with no wonder St. Norbert is leaving the league. I doubt anyone will do anything about it. Should be interesting when Monmouth heads north next September.

Lately these Monmouth-SNC games seem to set offensive football back about 20 years ... oof
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 16, 2019, 11:22:45 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on November 16, 2019, 03:38:11 PM
Scots win. Congrats.

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

If they draw Wheaton again, 70 is about accurate. But that's unlikely since they already played this year. I don't like their chances though, they're gonna draw a big boy conference power for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

Sour Much?

P.S. F-Dad!  F-Yeah!!

Am I wrong? I'll wait...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 17, 2019, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

Sour Much?

P.S. F-Dad!  F-Yeah!!

Am I wrong? I'll wait...

We'll all wait for the outcome of the game to see if you're wrong about the margin of victory or defeat.  Is your contention that, had SNC won, the playoff outlook would be much brighter? 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 17, 2019, 09:08:11 AM
Scottie, F Yeah!

Also, I was thinking the same thing when I read that first post.

And I will also throw in, I went to 1 game at SNC.  And I found it to be one of the worst groups of fans I ever saw. 

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 17, 2019, 09:56:11 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 17, 2019, 09:08:11 AM
Scottie, F Yeah!

Also, I was thinking the same thing when I read that first post.

And I will also throw in, I went to 1 game at SNC.  And I found it to be one of the worst groups of fans I ever saw.

There's jerks everywhere. St. Norbert and Lake Forest have their share as does every stadium. My concern yesterday had nothing to do with fans but with the conduct of the players and the shameful lack of control by Monmouth's coaches and administration. Big difference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 18, 2019, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: scottie on November 17, 2019, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

Sour Much?

P.S. F-Dad!  F-Yeah!!

Am I wrong? I'll wait...

We'll all wait for the outcome of the game to see if you're wrong about the margin of victory or defeat.  Is your contention that, had SNC won, the playoff outlook would be much brighter?

SNC likely would've drawn Whitewater too.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 18, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
Will Whitewater have more points than the Scots have yards this week?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 18, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 18, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
Will Whitewater have more points than the Scots have yards this week?

Whitewater should win, of course, but this ain't the Whitewater of years past, or even last year. Oshkosh knocked them out of their comfort zone Saturday and the result was five picks. Can Monmouth do that? Prob not to the degree Oshkosh did, but I don't see them losing by 70, or giving up more points than they gain yards. I see a game like last years UWW-SNC playoff game... competitive into the 3rd quarter, till the UWW bigs just wear you down.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: TheGreenKnight920 on November 18, 2019, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: WW on November 18, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 18, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
Will Whitewater have more points than the Scots have yards this week?

Whitewater should win, of course, but this ain't the Whitewater of years past, or even last year. Oshkosh knocked them out of their comfort zone Saturday and the result was five picks. Can Monmouth do that? Prob not to the degree Oshkosh did, but I don't see them losing by 70, or giving up more points than they gain yards. I see a game like last years UWW-SNC playoff game... competitive into the 3rd quarter, till the UWW bigs just wear you down.

The difference is that SNC, last year, had an elite defense by any standard, whereas Monmouth this year does not.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 18, 2019, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: WW on November 18, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 18, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
Will Whitewater have more points than the Scots have yards this week?

Whitewater should win, of course, but this ain't the Whitewater of years past, or even last year. Oshkosh knocked them out of their comfort zone Saturday and the result was five picks. Can Monmouth do that? Prob not to the degree Oshkosh did, but I don't see them losing by 70, or giving up more points than they gain yards. I see a game like last years UWW-SNC playoff game... competitive into the 3rd quarter, till the UWW bigs just wear you down.

I think the bigger issue for Monmouth is being able to handle the speed of Whitewater plus the physicality of facing a WIAC team. I don't know for sure but I don't think Monmouth has ever played a WIAC team in football, at least not recently. St. Norbert has played Whitewater a few times and schedules other WIAC schools often. I know Monmouth has played Wartburg and Wheaton, but the physicality of WIAC football is on another plane compared to even that. St. Norbert is at least used to it and knows what to expect. This will be a new experience for Monmouth, not to mention I'm sure Whitewater is a little salty after losing to UWO. I don't see it as 70-0  but 45-0 is certainly not out of the question.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 18, 2019, 04:19:11 PM
Physicality will not be a surprise to Monmouth. IMO, Wheaton is better than UWW this year and may have the best defense in the nation.

The issue is going to be just an overall extreme difference in talent and Monmouth's inability to throw the football this year.

Monmouth will be starting a freshman QB (not sure which one) and neither of them played vs Wheaton or Wartburg.

This will be ugly early.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 18, 2019, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 18, 2019, 04:19:11 PM
Physicality will not be a surprise to Monmouth. IMO, Wheaton is better than UWW this year and may have the best defense in the nation.

The issue is going to be just an overall extreme difference in talent and Monmouth's inability to throw the football this year.

Monmouth will be starting a freshman QB (not sure which one) and neither of them played vs Wheaton or Wartburg.

This will be ugly early.

Wheaton may very well be better than Whitewater this year, but going to play Whitewater at Perkins Stadium is a different experience if you've never done it before. Playing in a stadium that many FCS programs would love to have, along with all of the other "trimmings" adds into it and all of a sudden that pounding of the rock takes a bigger toll than it otherwise would.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 19, 2019, 10:32:44 PM
Cornell parts ways with head coach Vince Brautigam.

https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/cornell-college-announces-search-for-new-head-football-coach-20191119 (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/cornell-college-announces-search-for-new-head-football-coach-20191119)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 23, 2019, 06:51:36 AM
Game Day Scottie!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: emma17 on November 23, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
Awesome, awesome game Monmouth.
What a great bunch of competitors and football players you have on that team.
I only wish you had one last shot at the endzone. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on November 23, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: scottie on November 16, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: TheGreenKnight920 on November 16, 2019, 03:38:51 PM

Fun times, they'll get rolled by 70 in the playoffs. Great look for the MWC.

Am I wrong? I'll wait...

Only wrong by 45 points.  Congrats to the Scots on another great season!  F-Dad rules!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 23, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 23, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
Awesome, awesome game Monmouth.
What a great bunch of competitors and football players you have on that team.
I only wish you had one last shot at the endzone.

If 6 first downs and 0 rushing yards is an awesome, awesome game, I would hate to see what a bad game was. This is probably the weakest Whitewater team in 15 years.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2019, 08:57:05 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 23, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 23, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
Awesome, awesome game Monmouth.
What a great bunch of competitors and football players you have on that team.
I only wish you had one last shot at the endzone.

If 6 first downs and 0 rushing yards is an awesome, awesome game, I would hate to see what a bad game was.  This is probably the weakest Whitewater team in 15 years.

Uh, just two seasons ago UWW went 7-3!  But I realize it would kill you to give Monmouth ANY credit whatsoever. ::)

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 24, 2019, 07:06:05 AM
I would consider ANY team playing in the playoffs having an awesome, awesome game.  And any team or fans of teams not playing should show some class, not sour grapes.  But I realize that is very difficult for some. 

Scottie, jumping off the train, heading back to the Forest happy to party with you guys again!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 24, 2019, 09:26:06 AM
This was not a good Monmouth team. For this team to make the playoffs is pretty weak of the MWC this year.

I'm a little worried w the future of the conference with SNC leaving. I don't think we're in good shape.

Anyone know who the Scots play non-conference next year? I believe their two year w Wheaton is up.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Not My Nachos on November 24, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 24, 2019, 09:26:06 AM
This was not a good Monmouth team. For this team to make the playoffs is pretty weak of the MWC this year.

Hope I believe

I'm a little worried w the future of the conference with SNC leaving. I don't think we're in good shape.

Anyone know who the Scots play non-conference next year? I believe their two year w Wheaton is up.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 24, 2019, 04:20:57 PM
Monmouth plays Wartburg and Hope
https://prog.monmouthcollege.edu/gen/calendar/default.aspx?range=1September
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 24, 2019, 05:11:52 PM
Wartburg and then at Hope and SNC. Will be nice. Glad Wheaton is off the schedule...completely over matched. They are ridiculous!

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 25, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 24, 2019, 07:06:05 AM
I would consider ANY team playing in the playoffs having an awesome, awesome game.

That sounds about the right line of thinking for a fan of a team who hasn't sniffed a playoff game in 17 years and didn't score a point the one time they did make it. Mediocre thinking will yield mediocre results.

Agree with Big Red Scots about future of MWC football once St. Norbert leaves.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 26, 2019, 06:49:03 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 05:48:56 PM
I've heard from an inside source that Macalester's affiliate status for football has not been renewed by the MWC, which means that the Scots will have to leave your league after the 2020 season. There's a good chance that the Scots will return to the MIAC for football as soon as it becomes feasible for the league to add them. I can't imagine where else they'd go, unless the UMAC would be willing to add a tenth team for balance and Macalester would prefer to hook up with that circuit rather than come back to the MIAC.

Chicago's affiliate status has been renewed by the MWC, so you'll see the Maroons in your stadiums for the foreseeable future.

With the departure of St. Norbert and now Macalester and the open question of whether Grinnell will continue to mothball its football program (or even kill it off altogether, despite the rosy picture of the future painted in the recent Grinnell football press release), it seems like there's a lot of change going on in MWC football.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 05:48:56 PM
I've heard from an inside source that Macalester's affiliate status for football has not been renewed by the MWC, which means that the Scots will have to leave your league after the 2020 season. There's a good chance that the Scots will return to the MIAC for football as soon as it becomes feasible for the league to add them. I can't imagine where else they'd go, unless the UMAC would be willing to add a tenth team for balance and Macalester would prefer to hook up with that circuit rather than come back to the MIAC.

Chicago's affiliate status has been renewed by the MWC, so you'll see the Maroons in your stadiums for the foreseeable future.

With the departure of St. Norbert and now Macalester and the open question of whether Grinnell will continue to mothball its football program (or even kill it off altogether, despite the rosy picture of the future painted in the recent Grinnell football press release), it seems like there's a lot of change going on in MWC football.

That's interesting news, Gregory.  Thanks for sharing that info.    As Pat mentioned on the other board, it would make sense for Macalester to go back to the MIAC (with St. Thomas out) although as you also point out, a UMAC spot for them wouldn't be a bad fit either.

While it is speculation at this point for any of us to consider, what do you think, if any, would be other changes in the MWC?  They will be down to 10 teams now, but, if Grinnell's program is ended, they would be down to 9, which would not be all that bad as it would be in line with some of the other west and midwest conferences in having that number.  I doubt Coe would want to come back to the MWC as the ARC is good for them, but would Cornell ever leave back for that?  And, if Grinnell decides to not continue and if Beloit ever goes defunct since the school is experiencing some financial difficulty, that would leave the MWC with eight.  I can't think of any other schools off hand, that would be a consideration for the MWC then.  Again, interesting, but speculation, yet good discussion in between/waiting for tomorrow's next round of playoff games! :)     
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 05:48:56 PM
I've heard from an inside source that Macalester's affiliate status for football has not been renewed by the MWC, which means that the Scots will have to leave your league after the 2020 season. There's a good chance that the Scots will return to the MIAC for football as soon as it becomes feasible for the league to add them. I can't imagine where else they'd go, unless the UMAC would be willing to add a tenth team for balance and Macalester would prefer to hook up with that circuit rather than come back to the MIAC.

Chicago's affiliate status has been renewed by the MWC, so you'll see the Maroons in your stadiums for the foreseeable future.

With the departure of St. Norbert and now Macalester and the open question of whether Grinnell will continue to mothball its football program (or even kill it off altogether, despite the rosy picture of the future painted in the recent Grinnell football press release), it seems like there's a lot of change going on in MWC football.

That's interesting news, Gregory.  Thanks for sharing that info.    As Pat mentioned on the other board, it would make sense for Macalester to go back to the MIAC (with St. Thomas out) although as you also point out, a UMAC spot for them wouldn't be a bad fit either.

While it is speculation at this point for any of us to consider, what do you think, if any, would be other changes in the MWC?  They will be down to 10 teams now, but, if Grinnell's program is ended, they would be down to 9, which would not be all that bad as it would be in line with some of the other west and midwest conferences in having that number.  I doubt Coe would want to come back to the MWC as the ARC is good for them, but would Cornell ever leave back for that?  And, if Grinnell decides to not continue and if Beloit ever goes defunct since the school is experiencing some financial difficulty, that would leave the MWC with eight.  I can't think of any other schools off hand, that would be a consideration for the MWC then.  Again, interesting, but speculation, yet good discussion in between/waiting for tomorrow's next round of playoff games! :)     

Are Iowa Wesleyan or MacMurray fits for the MWC?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 08:04:46 PM
Possibly I suppose (and I forgot about Greenville), although the latter and MacMurray distance wise a better fit? However, not sure the UMAC could afford to lose those schools, unless they had some NAIA schools that could replace them (or Macalaster coming in as mentioned.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 05:48:56 PM
I've heard from an inside source that Macalester's affiliate status for football has not been renewed by the MWC, which means that the Scots will have to leave your league after the 2020 season. There's a good chance that the Scots will return to the MIAC for football as soon as it becomes feasible for the league to add them. I can't imagine where else they'd go, unless the UMAC would be willing to add a tenth team for balance and Macalester would prefer to hook up with that circuit rather than come back to the MIAC.

Chicago's affiliate status has been renewed by the MWC, so you'll see the Maroons in your stadiums for the foreseeable future.

With the departure of St. Norbert and now Macalester and the open question of whether Grinnell will continue to mothball its football program (or even kill it off altogether, despite the rosy picture of the future painted in the recent Grinnell football press release), it seems like there's a lot of change going on in MWC football.

That's interesting news, Gregory.  Thanks for sharing that info.    As Pat mentioned on the other board, it would make sense for Macalester to go back to the MIAC (with St. Thomas out) although as you also point out, a UMAC spot for them wouldn't be a bad fit either.

While it is speculation at this point for any of us to consider, what do you think, if any, would be other changes in the MWC?  They will be down to 10 teams now, but, if Grinnell's program is ended, they would be down to 9, which would not be all that bad as it would be in line with some of the other west and midwest conferences in having that number.  I doubt Coe would want to come back to the MWC as the ARC is good for them, but would Cornell ever leave back for that?  And, if Grinnell decides to not continue and if Beloit ever goes defunct since the school is experiencing some financial difficulty, that would leave the MWC with eight.  I can't think of any other schools off hand, that would be a consideration for the MWC then.  Again, interesting, but speculation, yet good discussion in between/waiting for tomorrow's next round of playoff games! :)     

Are Iowa Wesleyan or MacMurray fits for the MWC?

Not really. Most of the MWC schools are members of the prestigious Associated Colleges of the Midwest academic group, and I doubt that they would consider Iowa Wesleyan or MacMurray to be on par academically with MWC institutions. Also, Iowa Wesleyan has had some serious financial struggles in recent years; I'm not entirely sure that that school is out of the woods yet. And I suspect that Illinois College would not be eager to see fellow Jacksonville, IL school MacMurray become a crosstown rival in anything more than theory.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 08:25:25 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 08:04:46 PM
Possibly I suppose (and I forgot about Greenville), although the latter and MacMurray distance wise a better fit? However, not sure the UMAC could afford to lose those schools, unless they had some NAIA schools that could replace them (or Macalaster coming in as mentioned.)

Travel wise having Iowa Wesleyan in the MWC and Macalester in the UMAC makes sense. Iowa Wesleyan and Cornell already play every year and Grinnell is a natural fit there also. Where as Macalester is a stones throw to Northwestern and Crown and Minnesota-Morris, St. Scholastica and Martin Luther are all shorter bus rides. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 06, 2019, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 05:48:56 PM
I've heard from an inside source that Macalester's affiliate status for football has not been renewed by the MWC, which means that the Scots will have to leave your league after the 2020 season. There's a good chance that the Scots will return to the MIAC for football as soon as it becomes feasible for the league to add them. I can't imagine where else they'd go, unless the UMAC would be willing to add a tenth team for balance and Macalester would prefer to hook up with that circuit rather than come back to the MIAC.

Chicago's affiliate status has been renewed by the MWC, so you'll see the Maroons in your stadiums for the foreseeable future.

With the departure of St. Norbert and now Macalester and the open question of whether Grinnell will continue to mothball its football program (or even kill it off altogether, despite the rosy picture of the future painted in the recent Grinnell football press release), it seems like there's a lot of change going on in MWC football.

That's interesting news, Gregory.  Thanks for sharing that info.    As Pat mentioned on the other board, it would make sense for Macalester to go back to the MIAC (with St. Thomas out) although as you also point out, a UMAC spot for them wouldn't be a bad fit either.

While it is speculation at this point for any of us to consider, what do you think, if any, would be other changes in the MWC?  They will be down to 10 teams now, but, if Grinnell's program is ended, they would be down to 9, which would not be all that bad as it would be in line with some of the other west and midwest conferences in having that number.  I doubt Coe would want to come back to the MWC as the ARC is good for them, but would Cornell ever leave back for that?  And, if Grinnell decides to not continue and if Beloit ever goes defunct since the school is experiencing some financial difficulty, that would leave the MWC with eight.  I can't think of any other schools off hand, that would be a consideration for the MWC then.  Again, interesting, but speculation, yet good discussion in between/waiting for tomorrow's next round of playoff games! :)     

Are Iowa Wesleyan or MacMurray fits for the MWC?

Not really. Most of the MWC schools are members of the prestigious Associated Colleges of the Midwest academic group, and I doubt that they would consider Iowa Wesleyan or MacMurray to be on par academically with MWC institutions. Also, Iowa Wesleyan has had some serious financial struggles in recent years; I'm not entirely sure that that school is out of the woods yet. And I suspect that Illinois College would not be eager to see fellow Jacksonville, IL school MacMurray become a crosstown rival in anything more than theory.

That all is very logical.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 09:05:34 PM
Good points. Gregory.  I agree those would highly likely override the travel distance aspects that Baldini and I were mentioning, putting aside any other consideration such as the competitiveness aspect.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on December 06, 2019, 10:49:44 PM
bald-ini. What's that?  Like a waxed belly-button or something?  I've been trying to figure out that name all week.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 06, 2019, 10:49:44 PM
bald-ini. What's that?  Like a waxed belly-button or something?  I've been trying to figure out that name all week.

Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. I was already well aware that I am living rent free in your head, but don't be confessing it to the rest of the world. Just ignore my postings and don't respond to them. This has reached an unhealthy level for you and you are not equipped for this. End the man crush you have of me and move on with your life. It is that simple, just stop.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on December 10, 2019, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 07, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 06, 2019, 10:49:44 PM
bald-ini. What's that?  Like a waxed belly-button or something?  I've been trying to figure out that name all week.

Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. I was already well aware that I am living rent free in your head, but don't be confessing it to the rest of the world. Just ignore my postings and don't respond to them. This has reached an unhealthy level for you and you are not equipped for this. End the man crush you have of me and move on with your life. It is that simple, just stop.

LOLz
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2019, 05:48:56 PM
There's a good chance that the Scots will return to the MIAC for football as soon as it becomes feasible for the league to add them.

What if we don't want them back?  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
Who is "we"? You and a dozen or so Johnnies football fans who post on d3boards.com?

Macalester is a member of the MIAC in every sport except for football. In fact, it's a founding member. And Macalester carries enough juice in the MIAC to have been granted that football exemption back in 2002; the MIAC's member institutions obviously benefit from having within their ranks the two most prestigious academic institutions in the state in Macalester and Carleton.

I can't imagine any MIAC-member president voting "no" on bringing Macalester football back within the fold.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
I can't imagine any MIAC-member president voting "no" on bringing Macalester football back within the fold.

Really?  Do you honestly think that SJU and Bethel want Mac back?  I doubt Gustavus and Concordia do, either.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
And Macalester carries enough juice in the MIAC to have been granted that football exemption back in 2002.

I don't recall them being granted an exception.  They just left for football, and at the time, nothing prohibited that. 
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2019, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
And Macalester carries enough juice in the MIAC to have been granted that football exemption back in 2002.

I don't recall them being granted an exception.  They just left for football, and at the time, nothing prohibited that.

Macalester is an MIAC member. I don't think there would need to be a vote to return them to the conference master schedule in the sport of football.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
I don't recall them being granted an exception.  They just left for football, and at the time, nothing prohibited that. 

The other presidents could've performed a ScotToss, just like this year's TomToss. They didn't.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2019, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
And Macalester carries enough juice in the MIAC to have been granted that football exemption back in 2002.

I don't recall them being granted an exception.  They just left for football, and at the time, nothing prohibited that.

Macalester is an MIAC member. I don't think there would need to be a vote to return them to the conference master schedule in the sport of football.

Precisely.

Incidentally, my source reveals that Macalester was granted an extra year's grace period by the MWC yesterday, so the school now has a place within the MWC fold through the 2021 season. Of course, the Macalester braintrust will need to come up with a new league for the football program long before the 2021 season ends.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: jamtod on December 10, 2019, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
I can't imagine any MIAC-member president voting "no" on bringing Macalester football back within the fold.

Really?  Do you honestly think that SJU and Bethel want Mac back?  I doubt Gustavus and Concordia do, either.

If recent history is any indication, what the football coaches or athletic departments want might not really matter.

Also, pretty shocking to think that the rest of the MIAC would act negatively towards Macalester, a founding member of the conference. One would think that founding member status should carry some cache.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 04:11:18 PM
+k to you, Jamtod, though I'll probably just take it back tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
Quote from: jamtod on December 10, 2019, 03:54:58 PM
Also, pretty shocking to think that the rest of the MIAC would act negatively towards Macalester, a founding member of the conference. One would think that founding member status should carry some cache.

Elegantly expressed sarcasm there, jamtod. ;)

The thing is, though, St. Thomas and Macalester are apples and oranges. And when you think about it, that's the crux of the issue, as the MIAC is a league of oranges ... and Macalester is one of the two shiniest and most-cachet-having oranges in the neighborhood. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: jamtod on December 10, 2019, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
Quote from: jamtod on December 10, 2019, 03:54:58 PM
Also, pretty shocking to think that the rest of the MIAC would act negatively towards Macalester, a founding member of the conference. One would think that founding member status should carry some cache.

Elegantly expressed sarcasm there, jamtod. ;)

The thing is, though, St. Thomas and Macalester are apples and oranges. And when you think about it, that's the crux of the issue, as the MIAC is a league of oranges ... and Macalester is one of the two shiniest and most-cachet-having oranges in the neighborhood. ;)

Absolutely. Given the trajectory of the #TomToss decision, I'd be shocked if the MIAC university presidents didn't welcome Mac back with open arms. Really ironic because they left after getting their butts kicked way before St Thomas fully weaponized its football program.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 04:57:47 PM
The real question is why Macalester needed a one-year extension from the MWC to consider its options.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 05:04:08 PM
Mac would be coming back to essentially the same MIAC they left.  Ass kickings by SJU, Bethel, Concordia, and Gustavus and winning a game or two.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2019, 05:17:00 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 05:04:08 PM
Mac would be coming back to essentially the same MIAC they left.  Ass kickings by SJU, Bethel, Concordia, and Gustavus and winning a game or two.

Which I would want to delay for a year if I were them!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 10, 2019, 05:25:29 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 04:57:47 PM
The real question is why Macalester needed a one-year extension from the MWC to consider its options.

I may well be reading those tea leaves incorrectly, but that makes be believe that somewhere else is their preferred landing spot and the MIAC for football is their Plan B.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on December 10, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2019, 05:17:00 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 05:04:08 PM
Mac would be coming back to essentially the same MIAC they left.  Ass kickings by SJU, Bethel, Concordia, and Gustavus and winning a game or two.

Which I would want to delay for a year if I were them!

Where's One Armed Scot to defend his alma mater?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on December 10, 2019, 06:32:29 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 10, 2019, 05:04:08 PM
Mac would be coming back to essentially the same MIAC they left.  Ass kickings by SJU, Bethel, Concordia, and Gustavus and winning a game or two.

Worse for them since they left.  STO will deliver a beating as well.  They fortunately missed both Caruso and the Auggie air force, though.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on December 17, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
Lawrence announces new coach. Rumor has it Bo Flowers will remain as DC.

http://vikings.lawrence.edu/sports/fball/2020-21/releases/20191216olkter
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on December 17, 2019, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: judgetrainer on December 17, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
Lawrence announces new coach. Rumor has it Bo Flowers will remain as DC.

http://vikings.lawrence.edu/sports/fball/2020-21/releases/20191216olkter

Too bad you can't suit him up. Tony could play.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 17, 2019, 11:25:58 AM
2020 Lawrence University Football Schedule

9/5 @ Finlandia
9/12 Lakeland
9/26 Cornell College
10/3 @ Illinois College
10/10 Beloit
10/17 @ Macalester
10/24 St. Norbert
10/31 @ Lake Forest
11/7 @ Ripon
11/14 conference playoff game
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 19, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
AP All American team

Second team
Joe Krall, senior, Monmouth (Ill.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hazzben on December 19, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
Quote from: jamtod on December 10, 2019, 03:54:58 PM
Also, pretty shocking to think that the rest of the MIAC would act negatively towards Macalester, a founding member of the conference. One would think that founding member status should carry some cache.

Elegantly expressed sarcasm there, jamtod. ;)

The thing is, though, St. Thomas and Macalester are apples and oranges. And when you think about it, that's the crux of the issue, as the MIAC is a league of oranges ... and Macalester is one of the two shiniest and most-cachet-having oranges in the neighborhood. ;)

Mac is more of a prune when you think of football
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 19, 2019, 09:19:28 PM
AP updated it

Mcinerney from LFC and Staehling from SNC also made second team
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pioneer27 on December 27, 2019, 04:04:05 PM
Grinnell Hires a new Football Coach

https://pioneers.grinnell.edu/news/2019/12/27/brent-barnes-selected-to-lead-grinnell-college-football-program.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 27, 2019, 04:40:42 PM
Quote from: pioneer27 on December 27, 2019, 04:04:05 PM
Grinnell Hires a new Football Coach

https://pioneers.grinnell.edu/news/2019/12/27/brent-barnes-selected-to-lead-grinnell-college-football-program.aspx

That is good news. I'd like to know more details about how the programs he developed for recruiting helped at his most recent stop prior to this hire at Grinnell.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pioneer27 on January 03, 2020, 02:53:25 PM
https://midwestconference.org/news/2020/1/3/pifer-named-cornell-college-head-football-coach.aspx

Cornell with a new football hire
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2020, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: pioneer27 on January 03, 2020, 02:53:25 PM
https://midwestconference.org/news/2020/1/3/pifer-named-cornell-college-head-football-coach.aspx

Cornell with a new football hire

That is a good hire. Pifer did a great job at Olivet after doing the same in his assistant's position at Trine an that excellent staff during their MIAA title runs just a few years ago. I am not exactly  sure, but I recall/it was my understanding he left Olivet for DII Walsh because of family ties in that area. Likewise, I do not know why he left Walsh after only one year as it was never explained on the university's athletic wedsite at the time. I suspect it was because of the opportunity to join the Bowling Green staff even though that was the off-field position of Director of Player Personnel, though probably with the possibility of moving into a coaching position in a year or two. Yet that was not to be as Scot Loeffler did not retain him as he brought in his own staff. I was not aware that Pifer had coached at Saline H.S. this past season.

Anyway, although I am slightly surprised he would move farther  west, again, I believe he will do a great job for Cornell-a good choice by them. He sounds really energetic and enthused about getting that program to the next tier. With his previous record, I believe that is a very good possibility. Good for Cornell.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on January 30, 2020, 06:35:17 PM
About the new Lawrence Coach

https://blogs.lawrence.edu/news/2020/01/aker-its-time-to-re-establish-lawrences-football-presence-in-wisconsin.html
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on January 31, 2020, 10:19:46 AM
SNC has lost its D line coach, Rob Davis, whose new gig is Assistant Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. For those who may find that jump in stature a little curious, Davis was the Packers long snapper for many years while Mike McCarthy was the head coach, and had a job in Packers administration after his playing days were over.

It's also not unprecedented that a former Packer shows up on the SNC staff after deciding to settle in the GB area after their playing days are over. Ahman Green was listed as RB coach a couple seasons ago.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 13, 2020, 11:11:52 AM
https://www.ripon.edu/2020/02/13/lane-barnes-19-signs-with-berlin-adlers-football-club-in-berlin-germany/

Lane Barnes '19 of Selma, California, has signed with the Berlin Adlers, an American football club based in Berlin, Germany. The club is part of the German Football League and has won six German Bowls, 10 Ladies Bowls and five Junior Bowls.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on February 14, 2020, 01:15:51 PM
Norberts Kicker playing anywhere?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 10, 2020, 08:00:53 PM
Grinnell will finish semester on-line.  Shutting down athletics for the rest of the semester.  Going to on-line learning and closing the campus. 

https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Grinnell-College-to-finish-spring-semester-online-to-prevent-spread-of-coronavirus-568671011.html (https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Grinnell-College-to-finish-spring-semester-online-to-prevent-spread-of-coronavirus-568671011.html)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on May 12, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Anyone hearing anything? Just heard that Beloit's incoming class...needs help. Not really a football post but a survival question.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on May 13, 2020, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on May 12, 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Anyone hearing anything? Just heard that Beloit's incoming class...needs help. Not really a football post but a survival question.

Hearing various alternatives in play about the structure of a fall academic calendar. It's getting hard to see a season coming off as scheduled.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on May 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
Bye bye, Macalester.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on June 03, 2020, 09:03:40 AM
Not shocked. It is their natural home. MWC will need to have some serious discussions about where they are headed, I think. With Beloit in trouble, Ripon sniffing around a move, the cost of trips to IC and Iowa...

Quote from: gbpuckfan on May 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
Bye bye, Macalester.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 05, 2020, 03:07:56 PM
Quote from: judgetrainer on June 03, 2020, 09:03:40 AM
Not shocked. It is their natural home. MWC will need to have some serious discussions about where they are headed, I think. With Beloit in trouble, Ripon sniffing around a move, the cost of trips to IC and Iowa...

Quote from: gbpuckfan on May 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
Bye bye, Macalester.

How big can the NACC get? 2 divisions? 3?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on June 07, 2020, 08:41:27 AM
MWC is going straight down the tubes. SNC was a huge loss and Macalester was a quality program. Both of those really hurt the conference.

And honestly, how can some of our schools/programs survive the effects of this virus? Monmouth, for instance, just cut 1.95 in staff salaries, let go of numerous staff and announced 12m in budget cuts over the next several years.

How is Grinnell, Beloit, and others going to keep football?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 07, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
At some point, do the Wisconsin private schools end up in one league, the Illinois in another, and the Iowa in a third. Instead of little shuffles, such as SNC moving to the NACC, just recognize the travel costs as a driver, and do it that way.

Not saying that's perfect, ideal or desirable. But it clearly was one of SNC's considerations - to lose trips to Jacksonville, Galesburg, etc, for FDL, Chicagoland, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 07, 2020, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on June 07, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
At some point, do the Wisconsin private schools end up in one league, the Illinois in another, and the Iowa in a third. Instead of little shuffles, such as SNC moving to the NACC, just recognize the travel costs as a driver, and do it that way.

Not saying that's perfect, ideal or desirable. But it clearly was one of SNC's considerations - to lose trips to Jacksonville, Galesburg, etc, for FDL, Chicagoland, etc.

Certainly a reasonable potential option. It might just come to that for some conferences. This has been the model for the MIAA (with the exception of the Finlandia and Wisconsin Lutheran additions in football.)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on June 08, 2020, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: formerd3db on June 07, 2020, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on June 07, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
At some point, do the Wisconsin private schools end up in one league, the Illinois in another, and the Iowa in a third. Instead of little shuffles, such as SNC moving to the NACC, just recognize the travel costs as a driver, and do it that way.

Not saying that's perfect, ideal or desirable. But it clearly was one of SNC's considerations - to lose trips to Jacksonville, Galesburg, etc, for FDL, Chicagoland, etc.

Certainly a reasonable potential option. It might just come to that for some conferences. This has been the model for the MIAA (with the exception of the Finlandia and Wisconsin Lutheran additions in football.)

Won't happen, but that would actually form a tidy conference for football in Wisconsin. Becomes more unwieldy in other sports with 16 (or more) members. State lines are pretty arbitrary when it comes to conference alignments, however, especially for private schools.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 12, 2020, 11:42:22 AM
Ripon announcement today on fall schedule:
https://www.ripon.edu/2020/06/12/fall-2020-academic-calendar-announcement/

"While we expect that athletic competition will occur in the fall, we do not yet have complete information on whether or not athletes will be required to move to campus early, as they have done in the past. The athletics department remains in close and frequent communication with the Midwest Conference and will inform student athletes as soon as they have more information."
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 13, 2020, 12:51:18 PM
More on fall sports

https://fox11online.com/sports/college/local-colleges-prepare-for-the-start-of-the-fall-sports-season
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on June 16, 2020, 04:31:05 PM
Swanson Named Defensive Coordinator
From Asst. AD/Athletics Communications, June 16, 2020 | Football
by Dan Lukes, dan.lukes@snc.edu, (920) 403-4077

DE PERE - St. Norbert College has named Riley Swanson as its new football defensive coordinator, head coach Dan McCarty announced today.

"We are excited to announce the addition of Riley Swanson as our new defensive coordinator," McCarty said. "Riley brings a wealth of knowledge and experience from various backgrounds to our program. His energy, enthusiasm, personality are contagious. Most importantly, he's a players' coach and believes in the most fundamental aspect of our program - building long-lasting relationships with our players and treating them like our own sons."

Swanson arrives at St. Norbert after spending the 2019 season on the coaching staff at Finlandia University, where he was the defensive coordinator and also coached defensive backs. The Lions led the NCAA Division III in fewest passing yards allowed per game at 99.3.

Swanson spent the 2017-18 at NCAA Division II University of West Florida. He was the Argonauts' video coordinator and running backs coach in 2017. A year later, Swanson coached the cornerbacks and was the assistant special teams coordinator. Swanson was West Florida's communications coordinator those two seasons.

Swanson was a four-year letterwinner at Wake Forest as a defensive back. He played in 47 games for the Demon Deacons and finished his career with 179 tackles, seven interceptions and two fumble recoveries. Wake Forest won the Atlantic Coast Conference championship his senior year and played in the Orange Bowl.

Following his collegiate career, Swanson signed with the Buffalo Bills in 2007 as an undrafted free agent. His football career continued in the Arena Football League, spending the 2010, 2011 and 2013 seasons with the Arizona Rattlers and the 2012 season with the Tampa Bay Storm. Arizona won Arena Bowl XXVI in 2013.

Swanson graduated in 2006 from Wake Forest with a degree in religion.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 16, 2020, 09:10:40 PM
Easy to give up few passing yards when you are losing your games by an average of six touchdowns.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: formerd3db on June 16, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 16, 2020, 09:10:40 PM
Easy to give up few passing yards when you are losing your games by an average of six touchdowns.

Great point Pat! As much as I am supportive of Finlandia and want to see them eventually get their program successful, I thought the same thing when I read that. No one saw the need to use the passing game against them that much since the opponents were steam rolling them with the rushing attack/ ground game!  I suppose chalk that statement in the news release regarding his hire to positive media reporting- no disrespect nor negative connotation intended toward you and/or your colleagues in the journalism/media profession (nor Coach Swanson)!🙂 Seriously.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pioneer27 on June 29, 2020, 05:11:23 PM
Grinnell has cancelled all fall sports
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 29, 2020, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: pioneer27 on June 29, 2020, 05:11:23 PM
Grinnell has cancelled all fall sports

So far I don't see anything on their college web page, athletics web page, college social media or athletics social media. Do you have a link for this?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: pioneer27 on June 29, 2020, 05:32:17 PM
https://www.grinnell.edu/messages/intercollegiate-athletics-fall-term-1
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on June 29, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
That sucks. But I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on June 30, 2020, 11:23:44 AM
MWC has announced intent to move forward with athletics this fall, and plan includes a split into geographic divisions to minimize travel and overnights. Sport-specific plans/schedules have not been announced, probably likely still being formulated. ADs gonna be busy...

https://midwestconference.org/news/2020/6/30/general-midwest-conference-expects-to-play-this-fall-with-precautions.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on July 10, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
Haven't heard this directly tied to MWC football but have heard possibility of temporary "conference" alignments in general discussion for other sports to minimize travel. Makes some sense for football: Use the Wiscy schools as an example. Lakeland, Ripon, Lawrence, SNC (that's the North Division) Carroll, Wisc Lutheran, Concordia, Carthage (or Beloit?) make up the South. Everybody ditches their previously scheduled N-C games and start play mid-late September so you can minimize on-campus training time before school starts, players report when students do. Seven games, then a cross-over to determine champ. No overnights.

Would require, of course, a sit-down with the heads of families to make it work, but similar could be done with central Illinois membership, Iowa-based membership, and Chicagoland membership.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on July 14, 2020, 04:04:41 PM
Lawrence release today. No mention of sports.

Lawrence sets plans for fall term; partners with Bellin Health for COVID-19 testing

APPLETON – Bellin Health will perform regular COVID-19 testing at Lawrence University during the coming academic year, part of a comprehensive plan for reopening the campus for fall term, university officials announced today.

The Appleton campus will open as planned for the fall term, which begins Sept. 14, with both students and faculty having the option to be on campus or remain remote. Classes will be offered in a mix of in-person and distance learning, with physical distancing requirements in place on campus.

"The university has contracted with Bellin Health to be our health care partner as we adapt as a community to living with COVID-19," Lawrence President Mark Burstein said. "They will provide on-campus testing for all community members. We are also fortunate to have long-term existing relationships with Ascension and ThedaCare health systems in the Fox Valley, who will continue to supply essential local support."

Students will be tested for COVID-19 by Bellin medical personnel when they arrive this fall and again 14 days later. Faculty and staff will be tested as they return to campus. Students, faculty, and staff living or working on campus will then need to complete a daily screening of temperature and symptoms. The university will continue to collaborate with the Appleton Health Department for contact tracing for anyone who tests positive for the virus
.
The academic year at Lawrence will look different than any before. Physical distancing rules will be in place and all members of the community will be required to wear masks in all indoor public spaces, including classrooms, as well as outdoor spaces where physical distancing is not possible. All members of the Lawrence community who opt to be on campus will need to sign a community pledge agreeing to follow the distancing and face-covering rules.

Lawrence's pandemic planning team consulted with health experts, both within Wisconsin and around the country, and with various faculty, students, staff, and trustees through the shared governance process, Burstein said.

"Our goal was to ensure that every Lawrentian will have the opportunity to learn, teach, and work as fully and safely as possible," he said.
For more information, see the Planning for Fall 2020 web site at Lawrence.edu: https://blogs.lawrence.edu/fall-2020/  For interview requests, contact Ed Berthiaume, director of public information, at ed.c.berthiaume@lawrence.edu or 920-228-0508.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on July 17, 2020, 04:34:17 PM
No fall sports at the University of Chicago...

https://athletics.uchicago.edu/general/2020-21/releases/20200716m11xzq
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on July 27, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
MWC announcing fall sports being moved to the spring today.

CCIW as well.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on July 27, 2020, 10:48:31 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on July 27, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
MWC announcing fall sports being moved to the spring today.

CCIW as well.

Ugh. What a logistical clusterfoog that's gonna be.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on July 27, 2020, 02:16:35 PM
Quote from: WW on July 27, 2020, 10:48:31 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on July 27, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
MWC announcing fall sports being moved to the spring today.

CCIW as well.

Ugh. What a logistical clusterfoog that's gonna be.

MWC competition suspended for remainder of 2020. No language in the MWC statement that says fall sports are being moved to spring, but says stuff like "could include the opportunity," and "remain under consideration."
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on August 05, 2020, 02:55:46 PM
Good news for SNC gridders and other fall athletes. Norby 9th plan now gets students a 9th semester tuition-free. This would appear to remove the most significant barrier to football players interested in using the extra season of athletic eligibility that they'll likely have thanks to COVID. Similar plan also in place at Pacific Lutheran.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on August 18, 2020, 07:00:32 PM
Former St. Norbert HC Jim Purtill hired as Wesley's offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on September 25, 2020, 11:43:56 PM
Hello all!

Usually I post items about WashU games that I have or will broadcast, or about general observations from other games and events.  However, this post regards a topic that is quite a bit different--with the athletic shoe being on the broadcaster's foot.

I am going to attempt to cover 100 miles in a solo charity ultramarathon through an event that I have organized.  "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" will be conducted in the subdivision where I live in St. Charles, MO, to raise awareness and research funds for Rett syndrome.  I get started at 9 a.m. Central on Saturday, October 3 and end at 5 p.m. Sunday, October 4.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

If you would like to make a donation to the cause, here is the link to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2020, 09:24:47 PM
4 members resign from Beloit College Board of Trustees

https://www.wifr.com/2020/09/24/4-members-resign-from-beloit-college-board-of-trustees/

QuoteBeloit College suffered a blow after local billionaire and businesswoman Diane Hendricks along with three others resigned from the board of trustees.

In a statement on Thursday, school leaders acknowledged the departures but gave no reason for the actions. Other board members who stepped down are Jim Packard, Chuck McQuaid and Jim Sanger.

Researching the web...

Diane Hendricks is the country's richest self-made billionaire and co-founder and Chair of ABC Supply.

In 2016 Hendricks was named vice chair for the Trump Victory Committee.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on January 27, 2021, 09:17:31 AM
SNC's AD retiring:

https://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/5556/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 07, 2021, 10:05:20 PM
New logo for Lawrence.

https://vikings.lawrence.edu/news/2021/4/6/baseball-lawrence-debuts-new-logo-viking-ship-gives-nod-to-school-history.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on April 10, 2021, 06:47:11 PM
Lake Forest with a 14-2 win today!  Strange for an April posting.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 01, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
How bout you, Beloit Bucs — 77 players! And Grinnell over 50! Nice to see these old MWC football stalwarts getting back on their feet.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on September 02, 2021, 09:43:34 AM
Good morning,

I'll probably be getting the West fan poll up and running again this year. With that being said, send me a message if you're interested in participating. Most likely I'll need few more fans to fill out the 10 spots we have.

Send me a message if you're interested, we'll be happy to have yeah.

West Fan Poll (https://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8239.810)

Thanks!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 10, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...

5-5 in week 1... that ain't bad (fine, I'm counting Knox, but that wasn't their fault). It's never gonna be WIAC or CCIW for football but all appear to have steady or growing numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing some recent have-nots post more wins, more competitive games and fewer 98-0 outcomes.

Monmouth got thumped by Wartburg in '19 too and ended up winning the league. Trouble with the MWC is winning it earns you a trip to Whitewater in the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on September 10, 2021, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: WW on September 10, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...

5-5 in week 1... that ain't bad (fine, I'm counting Knox, but that wasn't their fault). It's never gonna be WIAC or CCIW for football but all appear to have steady or growing numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing some recent have-nots post more wins, more competitive games and fewer 98-0 outcomes.

Monmouth got thumped by Wartburg in '19 too and ended up winning the league. Trouble with the MWC is winning it earns you a trip to Whitewater in the first round.

Lawrence has 38 players on their roster. What have they been doing on the recruiting trail the last two years. Even Grinnell has far outperformed that pace.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 10, 2021, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on September 10, 2021, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: WW on September 10, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...

5-5 in week 1... that ain't bad (fine, I'm counting Knox, but that wasn't their fault). It's never gonna be WIAC or CCIW for football but all appear to have steady or growing numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing some recent have-nots post more wins, more competitive games and fewer 98-0 outcomes.

Monmouth got thumped by Wartburg in '19 too and ended up winning the league. Trouble with the MWC is winning it earns you a trip to Whitewater in the first round.

Lawrence has 38 players on their roster. What have they been doing on the recruiting trail the last two years. Even Grinnell has far outperformed that pace.

Funny, I actually edited out "except for Lawrence" the second before I hit post on that one. I gave them a pass because they had a big win in week one and they had a nice crowd at the Banta Bowl, which is a great place to experience a football game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on September 13, 2021, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: WW on September 10, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...

5-5 in week 1... that ain't bad (fine, I'm counting Knox, but that wasn't their fault). It's never gonna be WIAC or CCIW for football but all appear to have steady or growing numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing some recent have-nots post more wins, more competitive games and fewer 98-0 outcomes.

Monmouth got thumped by Wartburg in '19 too and ended up winning the league. Trouble with the MWC is winning it earns you a trip to Whitewater in the first round.

Monmouths loss to Wartburg was different than the '19 loss. IC being down 59-0 to Chicago isn't good.

The conference will see more parity but doesn't look to be competitive of any sort on the national scale. Evident of no teams getting any votes in the rankings.

The loss of SNC is going to hurt.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on September 13, 2021, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 13, 2021, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: WW on September 10, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...

5-5 in week 1... that ain't bad (fine, I'm counting Knox, but that wasn't their fault). It's never gonna be WIAC or CCIW for football but all appear to have steady or growing numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing some recent have-nots post more wins, more competitive games and fewer 98-0 outcomes.

Monmouth got thumped by Wartburg in '19 too and ended up winning the league. Trouble with the MWC is winning it earns you a trip to Whitewater in the first round.

Monmouths loss to Wartburg was different than the '19 loss. IC being down 59-0 to Chicago isn't good.

The conference will see more parity but doesn't look to be competitive of any sort on the national scale. Evident of no teams getting any votes in the rankings.

The loss of SNC is going to hurt.

The final score of UChicago vs. IC was unexpected due to how the 2019 game came down to the final play basically. But the Maroons were definitely solid favorites based on their impressive Week 1 win over WashU. On Saturday, the Maroon offense scored with shocking ease, putting up points on 9 of their first 10 possessions. Martini threw for 310 yards and 5 TDs in 2.5 quarters before everyone was replaced by the 2s and 3s. The WR corps is super legit. And RB D'Ambrose can break one off at any time. So far, this looks to be UChicago's most balanced and dangerous offense in many years (excepting the one-year experiment with the air raid in 2016).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on September 14, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: blue_jays on September 13, 2021, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 13, 2021, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: WW on September 10, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...

5-5 in week 1... that ain't bad (fine, I'm counting Knox, but that wasn't their fault). It's never gonna be WIAC or CCIW for football but all appear to have steady or growing numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing some recent have-nots post more wins, more competitive games and fewer 98-0 outcomes.

Monmouth got thumped by Wartburg in '19 too and ended up winning the league. Trouble with the MWC is winning it earns you a trip to Whitewater in the first round.

Monmouths loss to Wartburg was different than the '19 loss. IC being down 59-0 to Chicago isn't good.

The conference will see more parity but doesn't look to be competitive of any sort on the national scale. Evident of no teams getting any votes in the rankings.

The loss of SNC is going to hurt.

The final score of UChicago vs. IC was unexpected due to how the 2019 game came down to the final play basically. But the Maroons were definitely solid favorites based on their impressive Week 1 win over WashU. On Saturday, the Maroon offense scored with shocking ease, putting up points on 9 of their first 10 possessions. Martini threw for 310 yards and 5 TDs in 2.5 quarters before everyone was replaced by the 2s and 3s. The WR corps is super legit. And RB D'Ambrose can break one off at any time. So far, this looks to be UChicago's most balanced and dangerous offense in many years (excepting the one-year experiment with the air raid in 2016).

The last couple Monmouth-Norb showdowns were good fun, but I don't think the loss of SNC changes that much from a national perspective. This is a league that has won one playoff game in 10 years. It's not going to deliver a national contender. Kinda feel bad for the Scots as a perennial league power because SNC (or the MWC championship) became a game to circle on the schedule that at least wouldn't be a no-fun blowout. That's no longer there, plus you've now got one less potentially competitive NC game to schedule due to decision to play 9 conf games.

But other teams are going to step up. As noted above, watch out for U of C. Monmouth remains my pick, but the Maroons are right there. Oct. 9 will be big...
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on September 14, 2021, 01:08:45 PM
Quote from: WW on September 14, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: blue_jays on September 13, 2021, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 13, 2021, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: WW on September 10, 2021, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 10, 2021, 03:38:14 PM
Looks like it's gonna be a tough year for the MWC. No SNC and Monmouth got thumped by 41 to Wartburg. Not looking good...

5-5 in week 1... that ain't bad (fine, I'm counting Knox, but that wasn't their fault). It's never gonna be WIAC or CCIW for football but all appear to have steady or growing numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing some recent have-nots post more wins, more competitive games and fewer 98-0 outcomes.

Monmouth got thumped by Wartburg in '19 too and ended up winning the league. Trouble with the MWC is winning it earns you a trip to Whitewater in the first round.

Monmouths loss to Wartburg was different than the '19 loss. IC being down 59-0 to Chicago isn't good.

The conference will see more parity but doesn't look to be competitive of any sort on the national scale. Evident of no teams getting any votes in the rankings.

The loss of SNC is going to hurt.

The final score of UChicago vs. IC was unexpected due to how the 2019 game came down to the final play basically. But the Maroons were definitely solid favorites based on their impressive Week 1 win over WashU. On Saturday, the Maroon offense scored with shocking ease, putting up points on 9 of their first 10 possessions. Martini threw for 310 yards and 5 TDs in 2.5 quarters before everyone was replaced by the 2s and 3s. The WR corps is super legit. And RB D'Ambrose can break one off at any time. So far, this looks to be UChicago's most balanced and dangerous offense in many years (excepting the one-year experiment with the air raid in 2016).

The last couple Monmouth-Norb showdowns were good fun, but I don't think the loss of SNC changes that much from a national perspective. This is a league that has won one playoff game in 10 years. It's not going to deliver a national contender. Kinda feel bad for the Scots as a perennial league power because SNC (or the MWC championship) became a game to circle on the schedule that at least wouldn't be a no-fun blowout. That's no longer there, plus you've now got one less potentially competitive NC game to schedule due to decision to play 9 conf games.

But other teams are going to step up. As noted above, watch out for U of C. Monmouth remains my pick, but the Maroons are right there. Oct. 9 will be big...

After two games...I think Chicago is the clear favorite.

SNC leaving and Monmouth appearing to have a down year...is good for the parity of the conference but not the national scale.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: scottie on October 15, 2021, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 14, 2021, 01:08:45 PM

But other teams are going to step up. As noted above, watch out for U of C. Monmouth remains my pick, but the Maroons are right there. Oct. 9 will be big...

After two games...I think Chicago is the clear favorite.

SNC leaving and Monmouth appearing to have a down year...is good for the parity of the conference but not the national scale.
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Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 16, 2021, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 15, 2021, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 14, 2021, 01:08:45 PM

But other teams are going to step up. As noted above, watch out for U of C. Monmouth remains my pick, but the Maroons are right there. Oct. 9 will be big...

After two games...I think Chicago is the clear favorite.

SNC leaving and Monmouth appearing to have a down year...is good for the parity of the conference but not the national scale.

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Glad the ascots won. Didn't see that coming.

Comparing The Scots and UC vs Illinois College you woulda thought UC was the better team. Scots also didn't beat Grinnell the way they typically do.

But man, the conference is bad this year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 18, 2021, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 16, 2021, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 15, 2021, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 14, 2021, 01:08:45 PM

But other teams are going to step up. As noted above, watch out for U of C. Monmouth remains my pick, but the Maroons are right there. Oct. 9 will be big...

After two games...I think Chicago is the clear favorite.

SNC leaving and Monmouth appearing to have a down year...is good for the parity of the conference but not the national scale.

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Glad the ascots won. Didn't see that coming.

Comparing The Scots and UC vs Illinois College you woulda thought UC was the better team. Scots also didn't beat Grinnell the way they typically do.

But man, the conference is bad this year.
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I disagree. At least about the "this year" part. The conference was never very good on a national scale, at least recently. UC is good, and presuming they go 9-1, belongs in the pool C conversation, given a solid beating of CCIW's WashU. MWC went .500 in NC play. I see it as a typical year, maybe a bit stronger and deeper than usual. Even at the bottom, teams like Beloit and Grinnell have more bodies than in recent years.

Sure the league misses SNC but SNC is 2-4 and hasn't even played the big dog yet. This isn't a year that SNC would've raised the MWC's national profile.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 18, 2021, 11:44:13 PM
Quote from: WW on October 18, 2021, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 16, 2021, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: scottie on October 15, 2021, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on September 14, 2021, 01:08:45 PM

But other teams are going to step up. As noted above, watch out for U of C. Monmouth remains my pick, but the Maroons are right there. Oct. 9 will be big...

After two games...I think Chicago is the clear favorite.





SNC leaving and Monmouth appearing to have a down year...is good for the parity of the conference but not the national scale.

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Glad the ascots won. Didn't see that coming.

Comparing The Scots and UC vs Illinois College you woulda thought UC was the better team. Scots also didn't beat Grinnell the way they typically do.

But man, the conference is bad this year.

I disagree. At least about the "this year" part. The conference was never very good on a national scale, at least recently. UC is good, and presuming they go 9-1, belongs in the pool C conversation, given a solid beating of CCIW's WashU. MWC went .500 in NC play. I see it as a typical year, maybe a bit stronger and deeper than usual. Even at the bottom, teams like Beloit and Grinnell have more bodies than in recent years.

Sure the league misses SNC but SNC is 2-4 and hasn't even played the big dog yet. This isn't a year that SNC would've raised the MWC's national profile.
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Chicago's win Vs Wash U looked good at the time but since the game, Wash U looks very mediocre.

You don't judge how good a team is based on numbers. It's based on results. This years Beloit team is the worst Beloit team I can remember.  Same for IC - what is going on with the BlueJays?

Remainder of the conference is on par with status quo and I think Monmouth is down as well.

Usually our conference rep has a competitive game round 1. I don't think that's the case this year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 19, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
Conference was actually 4-5 in NC.

In the 5 losses, outscored 188-48

4 Wins weren't vs world beaters either.....
Wisconsin Lutheran (1-5)
Wash U (4-2)
Augsburg (3-3)
Finlandia (0-5)

Look, I hope the conference fairs well in the playoffs just like everyone else - just appears to be a very down year. And by well, I mean a competitive first round game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on October 19, 2021, 07:29:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 19, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
Conference was actually 4-5 in NC.

In the 5 losses, outscored 188-48

4 Wins weren't vs world beaters either.....
Wisconsin Lutheran (1-5)
Wash U (4-2)
Augsburg (3-3)
Finlandia (0-5)

Look, I hope the conference fairs well in the playoffs just like everyone else - just appears to be a very down year. And by well, I mean a competitive first round game.

You can cherry-pick all you want, Red. I think the league is healthier than 18 and 19, especially given that this slow-dance of a season is NOT going to result in the usual inevitable SNC-Monmouth dual for the championship (which were always good games, but you knew that's what it was coming down to a year prior).

The worst thing that could happen for the league's chances for a competitive 2021 playoff game did, in fact, happen. Monmouth beat U of C. I think U of C is the better team, but they lost. It happens. You dismiss their win over WUSTL as over a "mediocre team"... WUSTL's only other loss is to the #5 team in the country last I checked. A 10-0 U of C team with that win might've even hosted a game. A 9-1 Monmouth team, with that ugly N-C loss, welp, hope you enjoy Whitewater in November. That will not be a competitive game, and it never has been for the MWC. If you think that means the league is bad this year, so be it.

Lake Forest, Ripon, I hope y'all got some energy going on. And I don't mean to presume that you can't upset this apple cart. There are four teams that could represent the MWC in the playoffs. Undefeated Lake Forest, if they emerge, could get a not-Whitewater draw. But they've got some hurdles to clear that historically, they have not.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 19, 2021, 09:08:22 PM
Quote from: WW on October 19, 2021, 07:29:36 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 19, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
Conference was actually 4-5 in NC.

In the 5 losses, outscored 188-48

4 Wins weren't vs world beaters either.....
Wisconsin Lutheran (1-5)
Wash U (4-2)
Augsburg (3-3)
Finlandia (0-5)

Look, I hope the conference fairs well in the playoffs just like everyone else - just appears to be a very down year. And by well, I mean a competitive first round game.

You can cherry-pick all you want, Red. I think the league is healthier than 18 and 19, especially given that this slow-dance of a season is NOT going to result in the usual inevitable SNC-Monmouth dual for the championship (which were always good games, but you knew that's what it was coming down to a year prior).

The worst thing that could happen for the league's chances for a competitive 2021 playoff game did, in fact, happen. Monmouth beat U of C. I think U of C is the better team, but they lost. It happens. You dismiss their win over WUSTL as over a "mediocre team"... WUSTL's only other loss is to the #5 team in the country last I checked. A 10-0 U of C team with that win might've even hosted a game. A 9-1 Monmouth team, with that ugly N-C loss, welp, hope you enjoy Whitewater in November. That will not be a competitive game, and it never has been for the MWC. If you think that means the league is bad this year, so be it.

Lake Forest, Ripon, I hope y'all got some energy going on. And I don't mean to presume that you can't upset this apple cart. There are four teams that could represent the MWC in the playoffs. Undefeated Lake Forest, if they emerge, could get a not-Whitewater draw. But they've got some hurdles to clear that historically, they have not.

My only point in all this, is that I believe the conference is having a down year. Not puffing my chest up to trash other programs. Certainly not at all any direction I was going here.

I agree that Chicago was the better team this year.

I've made it Clear that I think the Scots won't do well if they represent the conference in the playoffs.

There is a case that Wash U is an average D3 Team this year. There is also a case that the conference is down. I've made a good case for both.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 30, 2021, 03:40:53 PM
Scots down 17-3 to Lake Forest in the 3rd
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 30, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
Game over, FORESTERS win!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 30, 2021, 04:47:15 PM
Great win for LF. Congrats
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on October 30, 2021, 06:58:52 PM
UChicago is probably even more disappointed now that they saw Fetterer rather than Boyer in their game a few weeks back. Fetterer's mobility really hurt them even though he did very little in the passing game. Sets up quite the week 10 with the Maroons at Lake Forest.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 30, 2021, 08:38:43 PM
Rather shocked Monmouth wasn't able to run the ball vs LF and gave up over 20points to them as well.

Boyer is a better QB for the Scots. They just simply didn't run the ball well.

What's the tie breaker if there's a 3way tie?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: USee on October 30, 2021, 11:25:44 PM
In a 3 way tie the tie breaker is the team that lead for the most quarters of divisional play during the season.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on October 31, 2021, 08:06:05 AM
Are we all sure of the tie breakers?  Last time I remember this talk, I think we found out each conference had their own tie breaker rules.....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: USee on October 31, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
This is from the Midwest Conference Website:

Division Champions
Division Champions are the teams with the best in-division winning percentage.

Tie Breaking Procedure for Division Champion and Order of  Finish
In the event of a tie, the following criteria shall be applied in order. Once a tie is broken between three or more teams, and two or more remain, the tie-breaking process shall return to the first tie-breaker being head-to-head.

1. Head to head competition.
2. The team that has been ahead in the most quarters of divisional play.
3. If two of the teams have an equal number of quarters in which they were ahead, the tie shall be broken by head-to-head competition.
4. If three or more of the tied teams have an equal number of quarters in which they were ahead, a coin flip by the Executive Director will determine Division Champion and/or Order of Finish.
5. Coin Flip.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on October 31, 2021, 11:33:46 PM
This could get real interesting.

LF has led every quarter in conference
Monmouth has led every quarter except the 4  vs LF
Chicago has led every quarter except the 4 vs Monmouth

Meaning.......

If Chicago beats LF and leads LF for 4 quarters = there will be a coin flip to decide conference champion.
If Chicago wins and doesn't lead for all 4 quarters....LF wins conference.
LF just needs to lead for 1 quarter vs Chicago and wins conference.


If it comes down to a coin flip...Hope there's a live feed!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 01, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 31, 2021, 11:33:46 PM
This could get real interesting.

LF has led every quarter in conference
Monmouth has led every quarter except the 4  vs LF
Chicago has led every quarter except the 4 vs Monmouth

Meaning.......

If Chicago beats LF and leads LF for 4 quarters = there will be a coin flip to decide conference champion.
If Chicago wins and doesn't lead for all 4 quarters....LF wins conference.
LF just needs to lead for 1 quarter vs Chicago and wins conference.


If it comes down to a coin flip...Hope there's a live feed!

However, their use of the word "division" makes me wonder if this tiebreaker only applied to the divisional format that they abandoned once SNC split. Although they certainly could use this tiebreaker but it just seems to me it was written to break divisional ties
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 01, 2021, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: WW on November 01, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 31, 2021, 11:33:46 PM
This could get real interesting.

LF has led every quarter in conference
Monmouth has led every quarter except the 4  vs LF
Chicago has led every quarter except the 4 vs Monmouth

Meaning.......

If Chicago beats LF and leads LF for 4 quarters = there will be a coin flip to decide conference champion.
If Chicago wins and doesn't lead for all 4 quarters....LF wins conference.
LF just needs to lead for 1 quarter vs Chicago and wins conference.


If it comes down to a coin flip...Hope there's a live feed!

However, their use of the word "division" makes me wonder if this tiebreaker only applied to the divisional format that they abandoned once SNC split. Although they certainly could use this tiebreaker but it just seems to me it was written to break divisional ties

If you go back to Page 602 of this thread, the quarters led tie-breaker was on the books in 2013.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 01, 2021, 08:24:24 PM
Just feels weird that Chicago could be losing after the first quarter and know they won't be conference champions.

Likewise for Lake Forest, if they are leading after one quarter, they have already locked up the conference title w 3q still to go.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 02, 2021, 11:04:22 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 01, 2021, 08:24:24 PM
Just feels weird that Chicago could be losing after the first quarter and know they won't be conference champions.

Likewise for Lake Forest, if they are leading after one quarter, they have already locked up the conference title w 3q still to go.

Although the game would remain relevant. A Chicago rally for a win would give them a Pool C shot, with a win over possibly two RRO and a strong SOS number
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: USee on November 02, 2021, 11:32:12 AM
Quote from: WW on November 02, 2021, 11:04:22 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 01, 2021, 08:24:24 PM
Just feels weird that Chicago could be losing after the first quarter and know they won't be conference champions.

Likewise for Lake Forest, if they are leading after one quarter, they have already locked up the conference title w 3q still to go.

Although the game would remain relevant. A Chicago rally for a win would give them a Pool C shot, with a win over possibly two RRO and a strong SOS number

If Lake Forest and WashU get ranked, that will be a big positive, though LF losing in Week 11 isn't great. I wouldn't describe their SOS number, which may be higher than Wheaton's, as strong (currently .498 and going lower this week).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 03, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2021, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!

UChicago does have a chance. They have to lead at the end of all 4 quarters against Lake Forest. Or if Monmouth loses to Ripon.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 03, 2021, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2021, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!

UChicago does have a chance. They have to lead at the end of all 4 quarters against Lake Forest. Or if Monmouth loses to Ripon.

Incorrect.

Lake Forest and Monmouth will have led for more quarters this season than UC even if UC beats LF for all 4 quarters

Thus, Lake Forest has already locked up the conference championship assuming they win this weekend and leas for all 4 quarters.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2021, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 03, 2021, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 02, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
"Oh no Grasshopper, sometimes the fog in the forest hides the trees from the true meaning"!

How's this for a wrench being thrown into the machine???????

U Chicago, although winning 78-3 against Grinnell, was tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter.......

Ready for discussion.  (Taking a long sip of Jack!)

Holy smokes! I did not know this. This means that Chicago has no chance of winning the conference.

That is shocking!

UChicago does have a chance. They have to lead at the end of all 4 quarters against Lake Forest. Or if Monmouth loses to Ripon.

Incorrect.

Lake Forest and Monmouth will have led for more quarters this season than UC even if UC beats LF for all 4 quarters

Thus, Lake Forest has already locked up the conference championship assuming they win this weekend and leas for all 4 quarters.

Non-conference games don't count. Conference games only. The game that LFC played for only 2 quarters was official, so they only get 2 quarters of lead from that result. Going into Nov. 6 game, LFC has led 26 quarters, Monmouth 24 quarters, UChicago 23 quarters. LFC has big advantage in the tiebreak scenarios and UC will need everything to break their way the next 2 weeks, but it is possible for the Maroons to still get the AQ.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 04, 2021, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Of course. But it's still in the realm of possibility that UChicago could get it if Monmouth slips up.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 04, 2021, 10:08:15 AM
Ok, So I realized that Lake Forest had a shortened game.  But didn't bring it up, because I am pretty sure the Conference would have to have further discussion about it before Saturday.

When my son was a Freshman, 2011, Lake Forest opened up against Concordia Chicago.  There was an extreme weather front that came through around halftime.  Lake Forest was ahead and they sent everyone home, somewhat like what happened this year at LFC.  At the end of the season, and I forgot the exact details, but that game became a concern as to how Concordia's season was going to end.  I think they were in a tie for the AQ also but not 100% sure about that.  We had to go back and get slapped around by them for 2 quarters to finish that games 4 quarters.......

Now, will the MWC want that to happen this year?  If I was a betting man, and I am, I would be happy to wager that they will want everything decided and understood before the balls are kicked off Saturday.  I bet we will hear of some announcement giving clear instructions IF Lake Forest was to lose.  Now all of this won't matter if Lake Forest wins.  So they are in the drivers seat.  But there are still multiple outcomes if they lose.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 06, 2021, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Monmouth didn't lead their next 1 quarter. Heckuva try, though
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 06, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: WW on November 06, 2021, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Monmouth didn't lead their next 1 quarter. Heckuva try, though

Is that supposed to be a jab?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 06, 2021, 03:14:33 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 06, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: WW on November 06, 2021, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 03, 2021, 11:49:48 PM
If Monmouth leads their next 8quarters...Chicago can't get the AQ over them.

Monmouth didn't lead their next 1 quarter. Heckuva try, though

Is that supposed to be a jab?

Make that 2 quarters. Not at all. 3 yards short. Considering Ripon was punting with 10 seconds left, they made it close. Kinda surprised they didn't go for 6 at the half, knowing the potential value of quarter wins.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 07, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Anything else and LF wins conference.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 07, 2021, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 07, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Win and lead for 3 quarters = 3-way tie.
Lead for 2quarters or less = season over.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

I don't think Monmouth is out of it. It's quarters LED so if Lake Forest and Chicago spend most of the day Saturday tied neither are picking up quarters. That and a Chicago win causes a three way tie and gives Monmouth a chance.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 07, 2021, 03:53:33 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 07, 2021, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 07, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Win and lead for 3 quarters = 3-way tie.
Lead for 2quarters or less = season over.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

I don't think Monmouth is out of it. It's quarters LED so if Lake Forest and Chicago spend most of the day Saturday tied neither are picking up quarters. That and a Chicago win causes a three way tie and gives Monmouth a chance.

Ya, still a chance this ends in a three-way coin flip. I also wouldn't call the Chicago season "over" if they fail to win enough quarters and still come away with a win. At 9-1, they'll have considerable criteria collateral to make a case for being the region's top pool C nominee
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 07, 2021, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 07, 2021, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 07, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Heading into week 10


Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32

Lake Forest
Win: champs
Lose: win 2 quarters = champs. Win (1) quarter and will tie Chicago w 31 quarters led. Lose all 4 quarters and season over.

Chicago
Win: win all (4) quarters and champs. Win and lead for 3 quarters = 3-way tie.
Lead for 2quarters or less = season over.

Monmouth
Mathematically eliminated. At the conclusion of LF/UC game, one of these teams is guaranteed to have more quarters led than the Scots. IMO, if they would have beaten Ripon for all (4) quarters, they would be sitting very well into week 10.

I don't think Monmouth is out of it. It's quarters LED so if Lake Forest and Chicago spend most of the day Saturday tied neither are picking up quarters. That and a Chicago win causes a three way tie and gives Monmouth a chance.

great point!

Monmouth needs a win, a Chicago win, Chicago to lead for 3q or less,LF to lead for zero quarters, at least one quarter to end in a tie, AND...to win a coin flip tie breaker. So you're saying there's a chance!!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: USee on November 07, 2021, 04:41:57 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but LF and Chicago can't end up at 31 each. If Chicago leads for 3 quarters and LF leads for 1 it ends up

LF 31/34
Chicago 30/36

LF wins. So Chicago has to lead all 4 quarters right?

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 07, 2021, 06:02:33 PM
For Chicago to win it, Yes.

I was referring to monmouth's path for a title.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: USee on November 07, 2021, 07:02:22 PM
under your LF scenario you said LF and Chicago could tie at 31. I don't see that as an option.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 07, 2021, 07:27:20 PM
I was referring to if Chicago leads for 3 quarters and LF doesn't lead for any.

Ie: first quarter is 0-0 and then Chicago wins the next three.

They'd both finish the season w 30. Monmouth would also most likely finish w 30.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 08, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: CardinalAlum on November 08, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me.... :o
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 08, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: CardinalAlum on November 08, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me.... :o

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 08, 2021, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: CardinalAlum on November 08, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me.... :o

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

I don't know what would be a better tiebreaker but I'm not a fan of this one. Changes completely how you approach game situations if you're trying to win quarters all along rather than just the game. Saturday, for example, facing a 7-0 deficit, Monmouth called a timeout with 10 seconds left in the quarter to force a Ripon punt before the quarter ended. Called a fair catch to ensure they got one play in before the quarter ended, and darn near went full Hail Mary on the last play of the first quarter. They're not doing any of that had this game occurred earlier in the season.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 08, 2021, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: CardinalAlum on November 08, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me.... :o

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

Unless Monmouth were to lose to Knox in which case a Chicago win would give them the head to head advantage over Lake Forest to grab the Pool A and we never even look at quarters led.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 09, 2021, 01:13:43 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: CardinalAlum on November 08, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me.... :o

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

While the MWC will hear the appeal, there's no way they should grant it. LFC made the call to end the game. They could have waited out the weather, but they chose not to. That's on them for not taking the tiebreaker criteria into account. "But we forgot" is not a valid excuse. UChicago played a home game that same day, had a delay due to lightning, but ended up finishing all 4 quarters. You can't assume that LFC would have led all 4 quarters either, the game was far from out of reach at 17-0.
Besides, in the MWC by-laws, it says that if a conference game doesn't reach the conclusion of 3 quarters, it is considered suspended, pending a consultation of the AD's and MWC office. LFC is fortunate the game wasn't considered a no contest, frankly.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 09, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: OLCoach99 on November 09, 2021, 09:41:22 AM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 09, 2021, 01:13:43 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: CardinalAlum on November 08, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on November 08, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

I have a feeling I know what you're saying. If so, will make all games this weekend meaningless.

The suspense is killing me.... :o

The LF poster will know better than I but if I'm reading into his post, I take it as LF petitioning to have the Cornell game count as 4 quarters and not 2 since it was stopped bc of weather.

If accurate, LF has enough quarters led already to make this weekends games irrelevant for purposes of deciding the conference champion.

Now, if Chicago comes out and throughly beats LF....they may get in w Pool C bid.

While the MWC will hear the appeal, there's no way they should grant it. LFC made the call to end the game. They could have waited out the weather, but they chose not to. That's on them for not taking the tiebreaker criteria into account. "But we forgot" is not a valid excuse. UChicago played a home game that same day, had a delay due to lightning, but ended up finishing all 4 quarters. You can't assume that LFC would have led all 4 quarters either, the game was far from out of reach at 17-0.
Besides, in the MWC by-laws, it says that if a conference game doesn't reach the conclusion of 3 quarters, it is considered suspended, pending a consultation of the AD's and MWC office. LFC is fortunate the game wasn't considered a no contest, frankly.

This is flat out not true.

Then enlighten us. They're the home team, presumably it's their call. Their coach is the A.D.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 09, 2021, 02:09:36 PM
Jeesh guys!  Stop all the speculating!  Nobody has direct lines to behind the curtain!!!! lol.

I was just making an assumption that the MWC would have to discuss this further.  Making that assumption, I am assuming they have a weekly meeting (Probably Monday or Tuesday).  I am sure they will be talking about this in length.  And possibly, do something to ensure there is a fair ending to this.

Just like what happened back with Concordia Chicago when Lake Forest had to go back and finish that game 10 years ago or so.  Not saying that is what's going to be the decision, but since it happened once before in another conference, it does give them something to go to and look at. 

And Blue Jay, I would say they would never leave it up to the home AD/Coach to make the final decision.  That could start WWIII.

Again, if LFC wins Saturday, all this is just jibber jabber.  But if they lose, WOW!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 11, 2021, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 08, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
You might want to wait till tomorrow till you try to explain possibilities........

Any idea how this played out?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 13, 2021, 09:08:04 AM
MWC ruled LF vs Cornell game stands as is and LF only
gets two quarters from the win.

Heading into today here is where things stand:

Quarters Led:
Lake Forest 30/30
Chicago 27/32
Monmouth 26/32


This will be an interesting day as I think the Chicago/LF will be a good one in which Chicago pulls out the W.

Man, must be interesting to coach a game today and worry about winning quarters!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 13, 2021, 02:02:37 PM
LF led after the first. LF will be conference champs and get the AQ.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 13, 2021, 02:25:23 PM
If Lake Forest wins, they are conference champs.  If they lose they are co champs and LFC get's the AQ
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 13, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
You guys are worried about quarters? UChicago is wearing coats and cant get to the 50 yd line....
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: WW on November 13, 2021, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: fulbakdad on November 13, 2021, 02:25:23 PM
If Lake Forest wins, they are conference champs.  If they lose they are co champs and LFC get's the AQ

Good on them. Last made the playoffs in 2002.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 13, 2021, 03:39:37 PM
No tie breakers needed!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 14, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
Congrats to Lake Forest.  I'm looking forward to Saturday's game.  Any fans that are coming can post any travel questions here or in the MIAC board, or feel free to PM me.

Go Johnnies!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: finsleft on November 14, 2021, 08:23:36 PM
To add to what Duffman said, we extend an invitation to all Forester fans to come and enjoy food and libations at the Johnnie tailgate before the game. Long range weather forecast looks favorable for mid-November. But dress like you'll be outside for 6-8 hours.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2021, 08:45:25 AM
Quote from: WW on November 13, 2021, 03:21:28 PM
Good on them. Last made the playoffs in 2002.

That's quite the drought!  Coincidentally, that was my senior year--I vaguely remember LF being in the playoffs, though we didn't face them.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 15, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Is there a Post Patterns boycott by the Foresters?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 16, 2021, 06:13:42 AM
(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2014/08/11/168fa862-a245-4031-87ef-197e7b93d040/20140212smokeypsa0294.jpg)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 16, 2021, 09:58:14 AM
MWC board doesn't get many posters unfortunately. I believe LFC has one poster and he/she hasn't posted a whole lot this year.

LFC has been on the cusp for several years now and made the jump this year handling Monmouth and Chicago by 3+ scores each.

My gut says St John's by 30+ but LFC has surprised me all year and am curious how they fare w the Johnnies.

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2021, 10:28:45 AM
Thanks, BRS.  It's been a long time since SJU has squared off with a MWC team--2005 Monmouth was the last time.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: faunch on November 16, 2021, 01:31:55 PM
This game scares me a bit...SJU is coming off a big come from behind win and playing at home against a team that should be a decided underdog. All the trappings of a classic let down game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 16, 2021, 04:43:56 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2021, 10:28:45 AM
Thanks, BRS.  It's been a long time since SJU has squared off with a MWC team--2005 Monmouth was the last time.

And the board banter for that game was A+.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2021, 06:55:16 PM
I'm driving the Roush!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: faunch on November 16, 2021, 07:38:03 PM
Anybody here?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/OANp03XvXEV9u/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 16, 2021, 07:43:38 PM
If a Forester poops in the woods does anybody hear it?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Retired Old Rat on November 16, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2021, 06:55:16 PM
I'm driving the Roush!


I was waiting for that.  Wonder how many will get the reference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 16, 2021, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 16, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
Wonder how many will get the reference.

Not too many, I'd imagine.  That dude was a riot, and then he actually showed up at the tailgate.  Classic.  Those Monmouth fans were fun!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: CardinalAlum on November 17, 2021, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 16, 2021, 07:43:38 PM
If a Forester poops in the woods does anybody hear it?

:D
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 19, 2021, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Is there a Post Patterns boycott by the Foresters?

This is big for our school and team, we are just enjoying every moment! But dont be surprised if this isnt the typical easy 1st round game for you... theres enough talent on this team and some REAL good coaches
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 19, 2021, 08:35:45 AM
Good that we got a tiny bit of action here!  We're all excited to get some fresh blood in Collegeville!  Safe travels, if you're making the trip north!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 19, 2021, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 19, 2021, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Is there a Post Patterns boycott by the Foresters?

This is big for our school and team, we are just enjoying every moment! But dont be surprised if this isnt the typical easy 1st round game for you... theres enough talent on this team and some REAL good coaches

This game will still be a monkey stomp.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 19, 2021, 10:14:32 AM
My opinion is that Lake Forest will have a shot to win this game in the 4th.

St John's may over look LF just like they did vs Aurora in their last round 1 game.

St John's 34
LF 31
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 19, 2021, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 19, 2021, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 19, 2021, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Is there a Post Patterns boycott by the Foresters?

This is big for our school and team, we are just enjoying every moment! But dont be surprised if this isnt the typical easy 1st round game for you... theres enough talent on this team and some REAL good coaches

This game will still be a monkey stomp.

Shhh.. go back to the NACC. You fit in MUCH better academically there.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: OzJohnnie on November 19, 2021, 02:51:22 PM
Quote from: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 19, 2021, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Is there a Post Patterns boycott by the Foresters?

This is big for our school and team, we are just enjoying every moment! But dont be surprised if this isnt the typical easy 1st round game for you... theres enough talent on this team and some REAL good coaches

Dammit!  We need to get some of those.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Maverick on November 19, 2021, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 16, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2021, 06:55:16 PM
I'm driving the Roush!


I was waiting for that.  Wonder how many will get the reference.

Quote from: DuffMan on November 16, 2021, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 16, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
Wonder how many will get the reference.

Not too many, I'd imagine.  That dude was a riot, and then he actually showed up at the tailgate.  Classic.  Those Monmouth fans were fun!

What's up guys?!  I was one of those Monmouth fans.  Great time during pregame!

Roush dude...haha.  Nice to see so many Johnnie fans still around.  Not much action on the MWC board these days.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 19, 2021, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 19, 2021, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: sncdangler on November 19, 2021, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 19, 2021, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 15, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Is there a Post Patterns boycott by the Foresters?

This is big for our school and team, we are just enjoying every moment! But dont be surprised if this isnt the typical easy 1st round game for you... theres enough talent on this team and some REAL good coaches

This game will still be a monkey stomp.

Shhh.. go back to the NACC. You fit in MUCH better academically there.

Interesting comment considering SNC and LFC's academic  profiles are virtually similar, right down to average ACT scores of incoming freshmen. I guess it is your dream though so you can make it as big as you want.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: DuffMan on November 21, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
I realize that there isn't a lot of traffic here, but congrats to LF on a great season. Your team fought hard but got out-gunned.

Holy cow, though, AJ Jackson is the real deal!  He's a threat anytime the ball is in his hands (except punting).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 21, 2021, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 21, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
I realize that there isn't a lot of traffic here, but congrats to LF on a great season. Your team fought hard but got out-gunned.

Holy cow, though, AJ Jackson is the real deal!  He's a threat anytime the ball is in his hands (except punting).

Agreed. Great season for LF. Have always run a nice program and happy to see the success they had this season.

I believe Coach Cat is transitioning out of coaching and info the AD role. Great season to end on for a well respected coach. He's done a tremendous job for a tough place to win at.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: PlayerTurnedCoach13 on November 22, 2021, 09:57:17 AM
Agree! Appreciate it. Although the score was not pretty, anyone that watched that game can agree that was far from a "Monkey stomp".

There are levels to d3 fball and we just stepped our foot into a MUCH bigger level. but with AJ and Cat back for another year we can hope to be back!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2022, 03:33:38 PM
In an (IMO) surprising move, Eastern Illinois has hired UChicago coach Chris Wilkerson to be their new head coach.  https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2021-22/releases/20220126kdwlgi   Then again, Wilkerson did play football and started his coaching career there (per https://eiupanthers.com/news/2022/1/26/wilkerson-hired-as-26th-eiu-football-coach.aspx).   His record at UC was solid but not spectacular (51-27), unusual to see someone losing 1 in 3 games at the D3 level get a promotion to FCS.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2022, 03:34:38 PM
This was the job I was expecting Jeff Thorne to get.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: blue_jays on January 26, 2022, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2022, 03:33:38 PM
In an (IMO) surprising move, Eastern Illinois has hired UChicago coach Chris Wilkerson to be their new head coach.  https://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2021-22/releases/20220126kdwlgi   Then again, Wilkerson did play football and started his coaching career there (per https://eiupanthers.com/news/2022/1/26/wilkerson-hired-as-26th-eiu-football-coach.aspx).   His record at UC was solid but not spectacular (51-27), unusual to see someone losing 1 in 3 games at the D3 level get a promotion to FCS.

Context matters on both counts. Wilkerson is an alum with many ties to EIU, makes plenty of sense they would give him a look. He's coached there as well as at San Jose State and Dartmouth. He has plenty of experience across the spectrum of NCAA divisions (27 years total). He also has the energetic personality that will gin up some enthusiasm within an EIU program that has done a lot of losing lately.

Wilkerson's record at UChicago is very good actually. Again, context matters. The Maroons didn't have a football program for 30 years and when they brought it back in 1969, they were a glorified club team and the results reflected that. They did a whole lot of losing until Dick Maloney took the reigns and revived the program back to respectability and more. Maloney basically doubled the roster size by the time he left.
Wilkerson has helped the Maroons take the next step after that and they are in contention annually for the MWC auto bid. He had one losing season out of 8. Before his arrival, UChicago had a .379 winning percentage since 1969.

Winning at UChicago is hard in football. You have to be able to consistently recruit incoming classes of 30+ that will: 1) be able to be admitted to one of the most selective universities in the nation; 2) be a good enough athlete to make a difference once you are admitted; 3) stick around for all 4 years (the attrition rate for upperclassmen is significant due to the demands of school and concentrating on the job hunt/internships).
You know how many seniors came back for a 5th year in 2021? Zero. They all graduated in the winter and proceeded into the work force. UChicago didn't have the luxury that schools like Wheaton and NCC had with a boatload of 5th/6th year guys. The school is too expensive to stick around. In the last decade, you can count the number of 5th year seniors in all sports combined on one hand.

Personally, I'm not surprised Thorne didn't end up at EIU. He may have never even given them a serious look, that's a big rebuild job over there. His relationship with Lester allows him an in to possibly get a better job down the line if he's successful.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 24, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
Ripon College may leave the city-owned stadium it shares with the HS, and build its own on campus.

https://www.riponpress.com/news/ripon-college-plans-major-infrastructure-projects-farr-hall-residence-halls-campus-stadium/article_2a64a7ae-94d9-11ec-b0a4-83d186c6fffb.html

The third prong of the infrastructure plan is exploring the possibility of a campus stadium on Lower Sadoff.

Young said the idea of a campus stadium has been floated for decades as a wish-list item.

Because the school is envisioning the stadium on the bottom of the hill, and the residence halls are on the top of the hill, Young believes the campus stadium would create a unique game day experience for students.

"You can just imagine on a game day, students coming out of the residence halls and they're right there, and how much vibrancy that could add both to our campus and the surrounding community," she said.

Beyond enhancing game days, Young added that the stadium could be used for intramural activities, movie nights, potential concerts and more.

It also could help make it easier for both college and high school athletes to schedule practices and games as Ingalls Field is quite busy during overlapping sports seasons.

Young has been in contact with officials both from the city of Ripon and the Ripon Area School District regarding the potential stadium.

City Administrator Adam Sonntag said the city will do what it can to support the college's infrastructure initiatives.

He added that the addition of an on-campus stadium should not impact the state grant the city applied for to fund St. Wenceslaus Street improvements.

"It's still far enough off that there's no implications for that," Sonntag said. "... We will support Ripon College in their goals and their needs however we can."

Ripon Area School District Superintendent Mary Whitrock said the district appreciates its positive history of collaborating with the college in terms of Ingalls Field.

"It is exciting to hear from Interim President Young that they may be able to explore ways to meet the needs of their athletes and students on their immediate campus," she said. "Having two facilities in the community could bring more opportunities for programming to the area and collaborating has allowed us to envision and renovate Ingalls Field. Either way, it is a win for Ripon."


Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on July 18, 2022, 09:32:23 AM
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/07/lakefront-bowl-comes-to-wisconsin

I like this. Always felt that the two leagues have more or less entertaining matchups against each other in non-conference.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on August 10, 2022, 11:51:25 AM
Ernst retiring at Ripon. Full release:

Winningest Head Football Coach Ron Ernst retiring after 32 years with Ripon College

RIPON — Red Hawks' head football coach and defensive coordinator, Ron Ernst has officially announced he will retire at the end of the 2022 season - his 32nd at the helm.

During his head coaching career at Ripon, Ernst led the Red Hawks to 184 wins and 113 losses, making him the winningest football coach in both the Midwest Conference (MWC) and Ripon College history.

Ernst has led the Red Hawks to 26 winning seasons, producing a .614 win percentage, capturing three MWC North Division titles (1995, 1996 and 1997) and two MWC Championships (1996 and 2001). Ernst was named MWC Coach of the Year in 1996 when he led the team to a school-record nine-win season. He also has been named the NCAA Division III Region 5 Coach of the Year (1995) and the Wisconsin Football Private College Coach of the Year on three occasions (2001, 2008 and 2010). In 2006, Ernst was inducted into the Ripon College Hall of Fame and in March 2009, he earned a spot in the Wisconsin Football Coaches Association Hall of Fame.

Of his proudest accomplishments as head coach, Ernst noted, "There are so many." At the top of his list is seeing his players graduate and go on to be successful members of society, as well as seeing former players make the Ripon College Athletics Hall of Fame. Ernst also includes producing three Private College Players of the Year: Bill Schultz '97, Troy DeVoe '02, and Josh Kraemer '09. 

Ernst described his decision to retire after the 2022 season as bittersweet, saying, "It's all I've done for 42 years. The biggest thing I'm going to miss is the relationships that I've had with the players and my fellow coaches. Seeing the players grow from young, immature freshmen to mature men as seniors ready to head out into the world and do great things, I'm really going to miss that – helping young men navigate life from the ages of 18 to 22."

In tandem with coaching, Ernst also took on the role of assistant athletic director and professor of exercise science at Ripon. He served as the College's sports information director for a limited time in the late '90s and early 2000s as well as head golf coach.

"Ron has dedicated most of his professional life to Ripon College and the Ripon College football program, and he has left a significant and lasting impact on both our school and our team," said Ryan Kane, director of athletics. "We wish Ron, his wife, Janet, and his family all the best in a truly well-deserved retirement."

During retirement, in addition to traveling and spending time with his grandchildren, Ernst and his wife plan to attend as many Red Hawks football games as possible under the direction of Jake Marshall, who will take over as the new head coach in the 2023 season. Marshall joined the Ripon College football coaching staff in December 2016 and currently serves as associate head coach and offensive coordinator.

He previously worked at fellow MWC school Beloit College, where he served in a variety of roles for three years, including offensive coordinator during the 2016 season.

Marshall graduated from Ripon in 2010. While playing quarterback for the Red Hawks, he earned his bachelor's degree in sports management. As a senior, Marshall served as team co-captain, while also being voted the team's offensive MVP after tying a school record with 19 rushing touchdowns. His 114 points ranked fourth in NCAA Division III that season and is third in school history for a single season.

"Six years ago, we started thinking about succession planning when looking for a new assistant coach," Ernst says. "Reaching out to Jake Marshall, who played for me and I've had the opportunity to coach against, was an easy choice. As a player, he was certainly great, but he possessed other qualities that made him a natural leader. (Marshall) always wanted what was best for the team; he encouraged others to be their best and held them accountable. He is energetic and has an outstanding offensive mind with a proven ability to recruit – all qualities that are going to make him an outstanding head coach."

Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on September 03, 2022, 10:38:00 PM
Lake Forest with a strong win to open the season.  And way to go Ripon!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: wnc52 on September 04, 2022, 12:26:46 PM
I'm shocked Ripon beat St. Norbert...should I be?  And what a weird win for IC Thursday night, at least looking at solely the stats.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 04, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
New Lawrence mascot

https://fb.watch/gBeNCEw8zX/
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 05, 2022, 10:36:58 PM
Sad news as the Illinois College @ Grinnell game was cancelled due to the death of Grinnell freshman linebacker Davis Cooper earlier in the week.
The game could be rescheduled at some point.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 08, 2022, 08:51:41 PM
First tie breaker is quarters led and Monmouth & LF are equal (24) heading into the last week. Anyone know the next tie breaker? Head to head?
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: USee on November 08, 2022, 11:20:56 PM
From last year it was:

Tie Breaking Procedure for Division Champion and Order of  Finish
In the event of a tie, the following criteria shall be applied in order. Once a tie is broken between three or more teams, and two or more remain, the tie-breaking process shall return to the first tie-breaker being head-to-head.

1. Head to head competition.
2. The team that has been ahead in the most quarters of divisional play.
3. If two of the teams have an equal number of quarters in which they were ahead, the tie shall be broken by head-to-head competition.
4. If three or more of the tied teams have an equal number of quarters in which they were ahead, a coin flip by the Executive Director will determine Division Champion and/or Order of Finish.
5. Coin Flip.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 10, 2022, 02:19:19 PM
ripon release:

Media alert: Winningest Head Football Coach Ron Ernst's final game is Saturday

RIPON — The final regular season home game led by Red Hawks' head football coach and defensive coordinator Ron Ernst will be Saturday, Nov. 12.

Ernst, the winningest football coach in both the Midwest Conference and Ripon College history, is retiring after 32 years at the helm.

The Red Hawks will face Lawrence University at Ingalls Field in Ripon. It is the oldest college football rivalry in the state of Wisconsin, dating back to 1893. Ripon hasn't lost a game to Lawrence since 1999.

A senior player send-off begins at 11:30 a.m. Kick-off will be at noon. More than 200 Ripon football alumni will be returning to campus.

Ernst will be available for photos and interviews after the game.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on November 12, 2022, 08:38:18 PM
Lake Forest wins the Conference on the tie breaker by leading all 4 quarters!   
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 13, 2022, 04:07:58 PM
Now the question is who is going to the Lakefront Bowl. My bet it's Monmouth based off of head to head result against Ripon.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: New Tradition on November 14, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Congrats, Foresters, on an outstanding season.  Looking forward to Saturday.  I'll admit that I'm pretty ignorant as to LF and what type of football they play.  What are the keys to their success?  Any potential weaknesses?

As for NCC--they're primarily a rushing team.  They have 2 Sr. RB's who look and run like bruisers, but are also quick and can break a long one if they make it into the second level.  This has happened pretty frequently due to the dominance of the offensive line.  The soph QB is actually the fastest player on the team and can also hurt you with his feet.  You'll see several designed runs for him, as well.  They don't throw the ball a ton, but when they do, they're very efficient.  The WR core has been decimated by injury, but still healthy is the #1 receiver, DeAngelo Hardy, who is quite the specimen--speed, intelligence, range.  It hasn't happened yet this season, but if LF can shut down the Cardinals ground game, they'll have a shot.

Defensively, they're even more impressive than the offense, somehow.  They are extremely stingy with the football and will force turnovers.  They haven't given up a touchdown since the 4th game of the season vs. Wheaton.  This streak includes 4 straight shutouts--a school record.  When teams have had success moving the football against the Cardinals, it has been off tackle runs and quick passes into the flats. 

Interested to hear your thoughts and congrats again!
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: SpartanHouse on November 14, 2022, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: New Tradition on November 14, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Congrats, Foresters, on an outstanding season.  Looking forward to Saturday.  I'll admit that I'm pretty ignorant as to LF and what type of football they play.  What are the keys to their success?  Any potential weaknesses?

As for NCC--they're primarily a rushing team.  They have 2 Sr. RB's who look and run like bruisers, but are also quick and can break a long one if they make it into the second level.  This has happened pretty frequently due to the dominance of the offensive line.  The soph QB is actually the fastest player on the team and can also hurt you with his feet.  You'll see several designed runs for him, as well.  They don't throw the ball a ton, but when they do, they're very efficient.  The WR core has been decimated by injury, but still healthy is the #1 receiver, DeAngelo Hardy, who is quite the specimen--speed, intelligence, range.  It hasn't happened yet this season, but if LF can shut down the Cardinals ground game, they'll have a shot.

Defensively, they're even more impressive than the offense, somehow.  They are extremely stingy with the football and will force turnovers.  They haven't given up a touchdown since the 4th game of the season vs. Wheaton.  This streak includes 4 straight shutouts--a school record.  When teams have had success moving the football against the Cardinals, it has been off tackle runs and quick passes into the flats. 

Interested to hear your thoughts and congrats again!

Not a whole lot of action on the MWC board this year. I'm sure LF is well aware of NCC and their style of play. LF will play tough. I'd compare LF talent level to Augie. NCC should win by 50+.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 01, 2022, 11:48:28 AM
New stadium, on campus, for Ripon College

Ripon, Wisconsin (Thursday, December 1, 2022) – Ripon College has announced plans to move forward with a $35 million strategic infrastructure plan which will include the renovation and expansion of Farr Hall of Science, a new on-campus stadium and upgrades to the undergraduate residence halls. The first phase will prioritize a $24.5 million investment in the science center and an $8.5 million investment in the campus stadium, both of which are projected to break ground in spring 2023. Planning for upgrades to the residence halls has commenced and the college hopes to finalize plans within the next year.

Red Hawks Stadium
In addition to the science center, Ripon also has announced the construction of a new 157,000-square-foot on-campus stadium. The stadium will be located on the underutilized lower Sadoff Field between the state-of-the-art Willmore Center for athletics and the student residence halls. Previously, Ripon College shared Ingalls Field Stadium, located a half-mile from campus, with the local high school for outdoor athletic events.

The new mixed-use space will house the Ripon College football and men's and women's soccer teams, as well as serve the entirety of the student body and Ripon community through potential intramural offerings, concerts and other student life programming.

The new construction will feature a 2,000-seat grandstand and press box, a formal entrance on the corner of Thorne and Union streets, viewing opportunities on Sadoff Hill, lighting for evening programming and a branded game-day experience. The new stadium is projected to open in fall 2023.

"Ripon College is the only school in the Midwest Conference without its own campus stadium," says Ryan Kane, athletic director and head men's basketball coach. "There is no doubt in my mind that this project will be a gathering space not only for our student-athletes but also for our students, faculty, staff and community members at large."


Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 10, 2023, 08:58:41 AM
Ripon coach didn't stay totally retired:

https://www.riponpress.com/sports/from-ripon-to-germany-ernst-will-coach-professionally/article_09677b2a-bdfb-11ed-8b39-138af8b89381.html

When Ron Ernst announced last August that he would retire after 32 years as the Ripon College Red Hawk head football coach, he said a challenge would be staying away from the team and that he wanted to travel with his wife.

He is accomplishing both of those tasks.

Ernst accepted a job to serve as the defensive coordinator for the Ingolstadt Dukes of the German Football League. He will leave in early April and be there through September or October. His wife, Janet, who is a teacher at Murray Park Elementary School, will join him in June for the summer months after finishing the 2022-23 school year.
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on August 30, 2023, 11:18:08 AM
Playoff projections for the season using my model's preseason ratings:

(https://i.imgur.com/8flZcvO.png)

You can look at other conferences on my website: https://hansenratings.github.io/ (https://hansenratings.github.io/).
Title: Re: FB: Midwest Conference
Post by: fulbakdad on August 31, 2023, 10:25:28 AM
hmmmmmm