2017-18 All American Predictions

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Smitty Oom

If you haven't already seen the all-region lists...

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2017-18/index


Leads me to the question of who will be the National POY, using the Region POY as the 8 candidates:

Northeast: Jake Ross, Springfield   
East: Jonathan Patron, Plattsburgh State   
Atlantic: Tyheim Monroe, Cabrini   
Middle Atlantic: Brandon Federici, Franklin and Marshall   
South: James Contreras Jr., Averett   
Great Lakes: Nate Axelrod, Ohio Wesleyan   
Central: Aston Francis, Wheaton (Ill.)   
West: Collin Olmscheid, Augsburg

I think that it really comes down to 3 'finalists' for me. Ross, Patron and Monroe. Axelrod had a great career but his team didn't make the NCAA so although he is probably a first team AA, I'll leave him off of the National POY top three. Of these three you are really splitting hairs as all of them led their team to the NCAA tourney and at least one NCAA win. I might lean Ross since he has led his team to the Final Four, but Tyheim Monroe is a Senior and giving him the award would be a great way to recognize him for being unstoppable for 4 years (I get its a 2017-2018 season award but you have to go to tiebreakers when they are as close as these 3 are, at least in my eyes).

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When Monroe was a freshman. I remember one of the assistant coaches said Monroe was going to break every record at Cabrini. I kinda thought at the time it's not about records it's about winning as a team. Well he exceeded all my expectations. Not only did he break records, he brought that winning as a team thing to fruition. He's a leader and a winner and as such should be considered as Player of the Year. At least in my book!  :)
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nescac1

I think the first-team will end up being Ross, Patron, Monroe, Francis, and Axelrod.  Very close call for player of the year among those five, a good case could be made for any of them.  None of them had a season like, say, Flannery last year, where there ends up being a no-brainer choice, but all have very impressive resumes. 

spwood

I would think that Patron not playing the first semester would make him a long-shot to win POY.  But, he's only a junior so he'll be back next year!

Greek Tragedy

Francis put up huge numbers, but I think part of AA is winning. Wheaton didn't win anything or come close to it.
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Smitty Oom

Quote from: spwood on March 13, 2018, 05:22:50 PM
I would think that Patron not playing the first semester would make him a long-shot to win POY.  But, he's only a junior so he'll be back next year!

I agree, still should be 1st team AA in my eyes, like nescac1 said.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 13, 2018, 05:57:20 PM
Francis put up huge numbers, but I think part of AA is winning. Wheaton didn't win anything or come close to it.

Greek I agree, but in one of the very best d3 conferences Francis led the Thunder to a 17-9 record and a 10-6 conference record. Up until ending the season on a 3 game losing streak they were in the Pool C discussion. I would say Francis was the major cog of a very above average D3 team, and his monster numbers paired with this makes him an AA in my books, and probably a 1st teamer at that.

Greek Tragedy

He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.
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Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.

27.4 ppg
4.8 rpg
4.4 apg

Against a very tough schedule.  Those are 1st Team All-American numbers as I see it.

Gregory Sager

I agree with Bob. Aston Francis is a pretty clear-cut first-teamer.
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Gregory Sager

I'd flip Francis and Roach, but otherwise no complaints. Nice job, guys.
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Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 17, 2018, 06:08:55 PM
I'd flip Francis and Roach, but otherwise no complaints. Nice job, guys.

That was heartily debated.
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Greek Tragedy

In case anyone is interested, I conducted an All-American pool in the fantasy leagues board at the beginning of the year. We could not pick any players that were listed on D3hoops' preseason AA list. Some of us actually did fairly well if we used the All-Region teams as well. Only two of us got 3 players on the AA teams and only two of us got the Player of the Year correct. None predicted Levi winning the Rookie of the Year.  I'll be doing this pool again, but we'll use the All-Region teams for points as well as adding AA teams for bonus points.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/2018

Not a lot of excitement or correct picks for All-Americans. I think to give us more opportunities, we'll be able to use All-Region teams for points and then All-American teams as bonus points.

Some of us actually did pretty well if we included the All-Region teams.

To be clear, I just counted All-American teams but listed the All-Region team results as well.

For example, in the All-Region team column, if there is a 1, they got 1st team, 2 they got 2nd team etc.

In the Pts column, if there's a 5, they got 1st team, 4-2nd team, 3-3rd team, 2-4th team and 1-honorable mention. If there's a 10, that means they got the POTY correct.



   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   7express      Federici      F&M      1      1   
   7express      Kenny      Misericordia      x      1   
   7express      Roach      Whitworth      5      1   
   7express      Sanders      Wash U      5      1   
   7express      Walters-POTY      Alb Mag      x      1   
   7express      Nichols      Keene St      x      2   
   7express      Rose      IWU      x      2   
   7express      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   7express      Preston-ROOKIE      Pomona-Pitzer      x      x   
   7express      Scadlock      Williams      x      x   
   7express      Simonds      Bowdoin      x      x   
   7express      Traub      Susquehanna      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      11      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   Greek      Axelrod-POTY      OWU      10      1   
   Greek      Ekekeugbor      Baruch      x      1   
   Greek      Kenny      Misericordia      x      1   
   Greek      Sanders      Wash U      5      1   
   Greek      Feehan      Eureka      x      2   
   Greek      Cooper      Cortland      x      3   
   Greek      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   Greek      Carter      CNU      x      x   
   Greek      Colhoff      LeTourneau      x      x   
   Greek      McCarthy      Amherst      x      x   
   Greek      Perkins-ROOKIE      Alb Mag      x      x   
   Greek      Smith      Hilbert      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      15      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   Grizzlies      Ekekeugbor      Baruch      x      1   
   Grizzlies      Kenny      Misericordia      x      1   
   Grizzlies      Monroe-POTY      Cabrini      x      1   
   Grizzlies      Sanders      Wash U      5      1   
   Grizzlies      Thomasson      SRS      x      1   
   Grizzlies      Feehan      Eureka      x      2   
   Grizzlies      Jomard      MIT      x      2   
   Grizzlies      Rapoza      Anna Maria      x      4   
   Grizzlies      Davis      Morrisville      x      x   
   Grizzlies      Jones      Hiram      x      x   
   Grizzlies      Moore      NC Wes      x      x   
   Grizzlies      Gutierrez-ROOKIE      Franklin      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      5      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   magicman      Daly      Middlebury      2      1   
   magicman      Ekekeugbor      Baruch      x      1   
   magicman      Sanders      Wash U      5      1   
   magicman      Stenglein      Nazareth      x      1   
   magicman      Howell-POTY      Whitman      x      2   
   magicman      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   magicman      Carter      CNU      x      x   
   magicman      McCarthy      Amherst      x      x   
   magicman      Neal      Con Tex      x      x   
   magicman      Scadlock      Williams      x      x   
   magicman      Scibelli      Haverford      x      x   
   magicman      Williams-ROOKIE      Emory      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      7      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   NCF      Ekekeugbor      Baruch      x      1   
   NCF      Fails      Hanover      3      1   
   NCF      Sorenson-POTY      NCC      x      1   
   NCF      Rose      IWU      x      2   
   NCF      Hewitt      Whitman      x      3   
   NCF      Weiss      St John's      x      3   
   NCF      Meinholz      La Crosse      x      x   
   NCF      Scadlock      Williams      x      x   
   NCF      Simonds      Bowdoin      x      x   
   NCF      Sortillo      Augustana      x      x   
   NCF      Uzorh-ROOKIE      Trinity      x      x   
   NCF      Wind      Nazareth      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      3      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   nescac1      Axelrod-POTY      OWU      10      1   
   nescac1      Federici      F&M      1      1   
   nescac1      Roach      Whitworth      5      1   
   nescac1      Sanders      Wash U      5      1   
   nescac1      Murdock      TCNJ      x      2   
   nescac1      Nichols      Keene St      x      2   
   nescac1      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   nescac1      Hawkins      Hope      x      x   
   nescac1      Jordan-ROOKIE      Nichols      x      x   
   nescac1      Long      Guilford      x      x   
   nescac1      Scadlock      Williams      x      x   
   nescac1      Traub      Susquehanna      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      21      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   Osprey      Daly      Middlebury      2      1   
   Osprey      Roach      Whitworth      5      1   
   Osprey      Bonacum-POTY      Ramapo      x      2   
   Osprey      Nichols      Keene St      x      2   
   Osprey      Cooper      Cortland      x      3   
   Osprey      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   Osprey      Long      Guilford      x      x   
   Osprey      McCarthy      Amherst      x      x   
   Osprey      Perkins-ROOKIE      Alb Mag      x      x   
   Osprey      Sortillo      Augustana      x      x   
   Osprey      Traub      Susquehanna      x      x   
   Osprey      Tyler      Whitewater      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      7      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   ronk      Light      Leb Valley      x      1   
   ronk      Rupkus-POTY      Skidmore      x      1   
   ronk      Brown      E Conn      x      2   
   ronk      Murdock      TCNJ      x      2   
   ronk      Nichols      Keene St      x      2   
   ronk      Orr      Leb Valley      x      2   
   ronk      Rose      IWU      x      2   
   ronk      Schimonitz      Neb Wes      x      3   
   ronk      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   ronk      McCarthy      Amherst      x      x   
   ronk      Neal      Con Tex      x      x   
   ronk      Robinson-ROOKIE      Amherst      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      0      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   Smitty      Kenny      Misericordia      x      1   
   Smitty      Sanders      Wash U      5      1   
   Smitty      Howell-POTY      Whitman      x      2   
   Smitty      Nichols      Keene St      x      2   
   Smitty      Rose      IWU      x      2   
   Smitty      Schimonitz      Neb Wes      x      3   
   Smitty      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   Smitty      Boll      St Thomas      x      x   
   Smitty      Bruton      Nichols      x      x   
   Smitty      Moore      NC Wes      x      x   
   Smitty      Neal      Con Tex      x      x   
   Smitty      Williams-ROOKIE      Emory      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      5      x   
   POSTER      PLAYER      TEAM      Pts      REGION   
   WUPHF      Roach      Whitworth      5      1   
   WUPHF      Sanders      Wash U      5      1   
   WUPHF      Howell-POTY      Whitman      x      2   
   WUPHF      Nichols      Keene St      x      2   
   WUPHF      Rose      IWU      x      2   
   WUPHF      Schimonitz      Neb Wes      x      3   
   WUPHF      Pace      Tufts      x      4   
   WUPHF      Hawkins      Hope      x      x   
   WUPHF      Highsmith      Wash U      x      x   
   WUPHF      Scadlock      Williams      x      x   
   WUPHF      Sortillo      Augustana      x      x   
   WUPHF      Williams-ROOKIE      Emory      x      x   
   .      .      TOTAL      10      x   

So, nescac1 and I got Axelrod correct for POTY, so we each got 10 points for that. No one picked Levi for ROTY. Roach and Sanders were 1st team AA and Federici was HM, so nescac1 wins by a big amount with 21. Greek came in 2nd by picking the POTY correct and Sanders making 1st team, finishing with 15. 7express did really well, tying nescac1 with 3 players on AA teams, but failed to pick up the ROTY or POTY...thus finishing with 11.
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Quote from: Titan Q on March 17, 2018, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.

27.4 ppg
4.8 rpg
4.4 apg

Against a very tough schedule.  Those are 1st Team All-American numbers as I see it.

I'm not debating his talent. Just so we're clear. But, he averaged those points by shooting over 500 times, twice as many as the next player on his team. He also only shot just over 41%. Vinny Curta, who plays in Grinnell's system shot less than Francis, shot at a 48.9% clip, took less 3s and averaged 32.7 a game. Now, is it THAT impressive to scored 27.4 points a game when you're shooting it 20.7 times a game?  Ironically, I just used Curta's stats since they were similar. Funny how I just checked and they both averaged 20.7 shots a game.
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How come NCF didn't get any points for Sorenson? He made third team.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 18, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 17, 2018, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
He's an AA, just not a 1st teamer, imo. We agree to disagree.

27.4 ppg
4.8 rpg
4.4 apg

Against a very tough schedule.  Those are 1st Team All-American numbers as I see it.

I'm not debating his talent. Just so we're clear. But, he averaged those points by shooting over 500 times, twice as many as the next player on his team. He also only shot just over 41%. Vinny Curta, who plays in Grinnell's system shot less than Francis, shot at a 48.9% clip, took less 3s and averaged 32.7 a game. Now, is it THAT impressive to scored 27.4 points a game when you're shooting it 20.7 times a game?  Ironically, I just used Curta's stats since they were similar. Funny how I just checked and they both averaged 20.7 shots a game.

Francis shot 37% from distance, while Curta only shot 30%. That's a very big discrepancy. Francis also grabbed a rebound and a half more per game than did Curta, and had more than half again as many steals as Curta had -- and he did all of this against significantly tougher competition than Curta faced.
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