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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56040 on: May 12, 2022, 04:48:49 pm »
Since I am guilty of having brought up Caltech initially a couple of pages back, I will add one observation (other than that I, um, didn't waste my time applying to either MIT or Caltech and instead chose to take my talents to the western suburbs of Chicago).

In many ways we are talking about apples and lugnuts here.  MIT is more successful across the board for many reasons, but one is that they never had to dig out of a 0-for-several decades hole.  MIT's current coaches (across sports) may not have started their gig on third base in the absolute, but they certainly did relative to where a Caltech coach starts.  If Caltech had plateaued at a level slightly above their previous futility, that would be one conversation, but they've gone from one win to four to five to nine and last year twelve.  I'm not putting them on Pool C watch anytime soon, but that's impressive and speaks to both a coach who has proven he can build a program and to a story not completely written.

We're also comparing a school with ~4,500 undergraduates to one with ~950.  It is safe to say that practically all kids at both schools are choosing where they matriculate based on academics rather than athletics.  As an outgrowth of this, the opportunity to unearth 'oh, I happen to play basketball' kids will be quite a bit less frequent in Pasadena.  This impacts basketball less than team sports with larger rosters, but the size of undergraduate enrollment will be a factor on the margins -- particularly in light of the schools' different approaches to admissions.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56041 on: May 12, 2022, 04:59:29 pm »
Incidentally, WUPHF, I think that we've done this board a solid by steering the conversation away from the gossip and contumely surrounding North Central administrators that had been the previous hot topic.

Agreed.  I do love these conversations but I think we can call it a day on this one and then let the next #whyd3 conversation begin.  Guard hoarding or the Augustana Medical School or what have you...

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56042 on: May 12, 2022, 05:09:51 pm »
In many ways we are talking about apples and lugnuts here.  MIT is more successful across the board for many reasons, but one is that they never had to dig out of a 0-for-several decades hole.  MIT's current coaches (across sports) may not have started their gig on third base in the absolute, but they certainly did relative to where a Caltech coach starts.  If Caltech had plateaued at a level slightly above their previous futility, that would be one conversation, but they've gone from one win to four to five to nine and last year twelve.  I'm not putting them on Pool C watch anytime soon, but that's impressive and speaks to both a coach who has proven he can build a program and to a story not completely written.

I thought that was the end of my conversation, but I just wanted to say that this point cannot be overstated.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56043 on: May 12, 2022, 10:33:17 pm »
Incidentally, WUPHF, I think that we've done this board a solid by steering the conversation away from the gossip and contumely surrounding North Central administrators that had been the previous hot topic.

Airing dirty laundry is one thing; rubbing our faces in somebody else's dirty laundry for days at a time is quite another.

Well, you’d be surprised how much dirty laundry had accumulated over the year.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56044 on: May 13, 2022, 10:34:50 am »
DYK,  Cal Tech's 3 consecutive double digit winning seasons (18-19. 19-20, 21-22) now give them 5 total double digit winning seasons in their history and 2019 was their first since 1954.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56045 on: May 13, 2022, 11:01:32 am »
Yes, I think that the bottom line here is that we all agree that Caltech's Oliver Eslinger is one heckuva coach, with the absolute value implied in the adjective "heckuva" being a YMMV interpretation. While I didn't want to pick on the poster who calls himself northcentral, I hope that he will re-evaluate his opinion of Eslinger based upon this conversation. And, while I didn't want to pick on Todd Kelly, either (whom I still hope will apply for and get the Benedictine job), I think that we've reinforced kiko's point that Todd was wrong to slam Augustana for including Eslinger as one of its finalists to replace Grey Giovanine a couple of years ago.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56046 on: May 13, 2022, 11:32:48 am »
Wheaton's incoming players were announced yesterday. 3 transfers and 4 freshmen among the group:

https://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2022/5/12/mens-basketball-the-thunder-mens-basketball-program-announces-seven-newcomers-for-the-2022-23-season.aspx

Transfers:

TJ Askew, 6-7 graduate transfer from Claremont McKenna, 2 year captain, all SCIAC averaged 15 and 5 last year
Connor Braun, 6-9 grad transfer from Northeaster. Didn't play much there (missed much of his senior year with an injury) but was a double double guy in HS
Micah Schnyders, 6-4 G from Eastern Illinois. Will be a Junior next year. Started a couple games last year for Eastern Ill. played in 33 games in two seasons at Eastern.

Freshmen:
Michael Dienes, 6-7 F, Scottsdale Ariz. Regional player of the year in 2A, 1st team all state, his schools all time leader in 3pt shooting
Kyle Neibch, 6-3 G, Fort Mill, South Carol. Player of the year in his region, 1st team all state, league MVP 2x, 16 ppg
Cole Reid, 6-8, PF, Waco Texas. 4 year starter, Team MVP
Noah Reimer, 6-7 F, Tulsa Ok, averaged 17 and 9, 2x First Team selection finalist for Tulsa area MVP

5 of these 7 newcomers are 6-7 or taller. Has to be the most size Schauer has had in a long time. Lots of talent here to be excited about. I really think several of these guys have a chance to make an immediate impact for the Thunder and in the league.
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56048 on: May 14, 2022, 09:46:36 am »
I know, I know, I make one of my increasingly infrequent appearances on the board yesterday and I'm back so soon?! I guess I'm just trying to do my part to fill the Q void. Now that we've (presumably) wrung every drop out of the NCC hiring situation and the Cal Tech admissions process, how about a different topic? Years ago, there was a pretty solid D2/D3/NAIA summer league that played out of Des Plaines just outside of Chicago. It died off and then resurrected out at Joy of the Game in Deerfield. That died off too, pre-Covid. Has anyone heard any talk of a similar type of league in the works for this summer? I could use a fix.

P.S.  By the way, thanks to all of you regular posters for your commitment to this board. It is one of my go-to's, in and out of season and I appreciate the level of discussion and depth of information and commitment.....and zeal.  ;D

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56049 on: May 14, 2022, 11:25:05 am »
I know, I know, I make one of my increasingly infrequent appearances on the board yesterday and I'm back so soon?! I guess I'm just trying to do my part to fill the Q void.

Well, you did include a link in your post, which is a promising first step to achieving quasi-Q status. ;)

Now that we've (presumably) wrung every drop out of the NCC hiring situation and the Cal Tech admissions process, how about a different topic? Years ago, there was a pretty solid D2/D3/NAIA summer league that played out of Des Plaines just outside of Chicago. It died off and then resurrected out at Joy of the Game in Deerfield. That died off too, pre-Covid. Has anyone heard any talk of a similar type of league in the works for this summer? I could use a fix.

That's a great question. I also forgot to ask John Hodel last season if his Broadway Armory summer league is still around. Whenever North Park has fielded a summer-league team, the Broadway Armory league has been its typical venue.

P.S.  By the way, thanks to all of you regular posters for your commitment to this board. It is one of my go-to's, in and out of season and I appreciate the level of discussion and depth of information and commitment.....and zeal.  ;D

Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the zeal!
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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56050 on: May 14, 2022, 12:02:59 pm »
Now that we've (presumably) wrung every drop out of the NCC hiring situation and the Cal Tech admissions process

C'mon, you're not new here... we are turning the page on these but you know that we only waded into the kiddie pool on these versus what we are capable of.  :)

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56051 on: May 14, 2022, 12:47:03 pm »
Now that we've (presumably) wrung every drop out of the NCC hiring situation and the Cal Tech admissions process, how about a different topic?

Greg and I could have gone on for weeks to be honest.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56052 on: May 16, 2022, 01:30:54 pm »
Whoever made out North Parks and Wheatons basketball schedule. They didn’t talk to each other. They both have Elmhurst scheduled for December 10. That should be interesting.

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Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« Reply #56053 on: May 16, 2022, 02:24:03 pm »
Whoever made out North Parks and Wheatons basketball schedule. They didn’t talk to each other. They both have Elmhurst scheduled for December 10. That should be interesting.

It's not a matter of "talking to each other." All league games are assigned by the CCIW's schedulemaker, via the league office.

Unfortunately, the CCIW website has yet to post a composite schedule for 2022-23.
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