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Quote from: wally_wabash on July 13, 2015, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.
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Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

Does MSJ keep students on campus for part of the Thanksgiving week?  I don't think most schools do this, hence, most kids bolt for home the day before that first round game.

Majority of MSJ's students are Cincinnati area residents. I want to say about 70% are commuters. And they do keep students on campus. They have classes Monday and Tuesday of Thanksgiving week. At least they did when I was there.
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Quote from: GrizFan on July 13, 2015, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Adam Sayer on July 13, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: sigma one on June 02, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
There's no big revenue to be made from hosting a playoff game unless you can fill the stadium (and probably not even then), which rarely happens.  The first playoff game, even if the school is good enough to play at home, is usually played when students are off campus for Thanksgiving break.  If the team has to go on the road, the NCAA pays expenses, but not a bonus of any kind that I am aware of.  Remember that Franklin, the Heartland Conference champion, went to Wabash last year.  A second conference team will surely be on the road.  After expenses paid to the NCAA for a home game, it's not a pot of gold; more like a thimble, if that.

Incorrect. The first round of playoffs is played the 3rd weekend in November. All the students are still around and if MSJ was ever to host a playoff game, they would fill the stadium plus some IMO. Sitting in Cincinnati where football has always been a big deal, there is a large enough percentage of the general student population who would come out along with alumni, etc. If it was ever to happen, I think they would pull around 4,000+ people. How much money that pulls is anyone's guess but the bigger issue would have been the atmosphere for recruiting. The FIRST home playoff game would generate quite a bit of buzz and create a pretty cool atmosphere on/around campus. As Kevin stated, their recruiter left to Michigan to start an NAIA program. Being from a D1 school he knew "how to do things."

The first round playoff games usually have well-below average attendance at nearly all venues.  The Wabash crowd was below average, past Franklin home playoff games were also below average.  I looked at several games last season and they were all poorly attended (below average).

Both those programs have played multiple home playoff games. MSJ's would be their first. I believe they would pull 4,000+ people.
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HCAC Football Pre-Season Coaches Poll

Franklin 77 (5)
Mount St. Joseph University 71 (2)
Bluffton 55
Rose-Hulman 50 (1)
Manchester 45
Defiance 37
Hanover College 31
Anderson University 25 (1)
Earlham 14

I expected Manchaester to be higher.  They may be the sleeper this season.

Did QB Greg Simpson return for MSJ?  I was surprised that he was not listed as a player to watch.

Darryl Nester

Quote from: GrizFan on August 05, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
HCAC Football Pre-Season Coaches Poll

Franklin 77 (5)
Mount St. Joseph University 71 (2)
Bluffton 55
Rose-Hulman 50 (1)
Manchester 45
Defiance 37
Hanover College 31
Anderson University 25 (1)
Earlham 14
Any guesses who gave Anderson a first-place vote?

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Quote from: Darryl Nester on August 05, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 05, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
HCAC Football Pre-Season Coaches Poll

Franklin 77 (5)
Mount St. Joseph University 71 (2)
Bluffton 55
Rose-Hulman 50 (1)
Manchester 45
Defiance 37
Hanover College 31
Anderson University 25 (1)
Earlham 14
Any guesses who gave Anderson a first-place vote?

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wally_wabash

Probably their own HC.  We had a similar thing last year in the NCAC where Oberlin got a first place vote in the coaches' poll.  It has to be their own HC who plans to turn around and use it as some kind of motivational tool.  I don't think there is any other reasonable explanation for these things. 
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Quote from: GrizFan on August 05, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Did QB Greg Simpson return for MSJ?  I was surprised that he was not listed as a player to watch.

Sounds like Simpson will follow Coach Huster to Davenport.

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2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913

wally_wabash

Anderson gets 3000+?  Wow.  Good for them. 
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Quote from: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Here's how attendance ompares to enrollment numbers I grabbed from the d3f team pages...
Franklin - 954 - 335.84%
Hanover - 1060 - 210.19%
Manchester - 1276 - 192.48%
Bluffton - 933 - 176.85%
Anderson - 1901 - 163.65%
MSJ - 1277 - 137.67%
Defiance - 805 - 96.77%
Earlham - 1139 - 89.90%
Rose-Hulman - 2093 - 63.55%
League Average - 1271 - 150.51%
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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 19, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Here's how attendance ompares to enrollment numbers I grabbed from the d3f team pages...
Franklin - 954 - 335.84%
Hanover - 1060 - 210.19%
Manchester - 1276 - 192.48%
Bluffton - 933 - 176.85%
Anderson - 1901 - 163.65%
MSJ - 1277 - 137.67%
Defiance - 805 - 96.77%
Earlham - 1139 - 89.90%
Rose-Hulman - 2093 - 63.55%
League Average - 1271 - 150.51%

Great work on the attendance stats!  Have to say, that I am really disappointed in my Yellow Jackets.  Not tallying many winning seasons in a town where high school football it more of a priority, it's difficult to have strong attendance.  Out of 805 students, I wonder how many students actually go?  I wonder the same for all of the schools?
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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 19, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: GrizFan on August 19, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
2014 HCAC Average Home Attendance
Franklin - 3204
Anderson - 3111
Manchester - 2456
Hanover - 2228
MSJ - 1758
Bluffton - 1650
Rose-Hulman - 1330
Earlham - 1024
Defiance - 779
League Average - 1913
Here's how attendance ompares to enrollment numbers I grabbed from the d3f team pages...
Franklin - 954 - 335.84%
Hanover - 1060 - 210.19%
Manchester - 1276 - 192.48%
Bluffton - 933 - 176.85%
Anderson - 1901 - 163.65%
MSJ - 1277 - 137.67%
Defiance - 805 - 96.77%
Earlham - 1139 - 89.90%
Rose-Hulman - 2093 - 63.55%
League Average - 1271 - 150.51%

For me, the biggest surprise is MSJ's numbers.  They recruit in a large city with local kids and yet can't average 2,000 fans?  It has to be a misprint.  Or maybe I'm just used to seeing the bigger crowds from this little game they used to play for a Trophy* with another (and better) local team. 

*A trophy the school in Delhi just HAD to redesign after they finally won one. 
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

cave2bens

Has_Been - I can confirm the abysmal attendance from first hand, last year at Homecoming.  Aside from the newly formed band and cheerleaders, I doubt there were more than a hundred students (of maybe 1500 less 100 RHIT folks) in the stands.  Granted, many DC students evacuate on weekends and the weather was less than ideal.  My spouse had a larger student participation rate at her Thursday night lecture (Schaumberg was filled to capacity)  ::).    Hopefully, a new found spirit with Edd as helmsman will reignite some pride and interest.  -BW
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GrizFan

Trouble in GRIZland?  AJ Puente, the projected starter at QB, is no longer listed on the roster.  Freshman Cmehil, a top recruit, is also missing from the updated roster.