With less than a week to go before the Chase starts up I'm interested to here how people think it will be seeded and how it will play-out. Here are my thoughts:
#1. U of R
#2. Geneseo
#3. Brockport
#4. Naz
#5. Fisher
#6. RIT
#7. Roberts
#8. Keuka
Predictions:
-Roch. over Keuka
-Geneseo over Roberts
-Bport over RIT
-Fisher over Naz
Semi's:
Roch over Fisher
Geneseo over Bport
Finals:
Rochester over Geneseo in a rematch of last years finals!
This could be the deepest field in a while though, with Brockport, Naz, Fisher, Geneseo, and U of R all with a legit chance at winning it! In the end though, I think Rochester's size and experience win out!
I hope you are right and UofR takes the title. My only concern with UofR is they haven't played since the dismantling of Fisher on Dec 14th. That's a long time to go between games and they have looked shakey so far this year when playing after long layoffs. On the plus side, they should finally be healthy.
I think it will go.
-Roch. over Keuka
-Geneseo over Roberts
-Bport over RIT
-Naz over Fisher
Then.
Roch over Naz
Bport over Geneseo
Roch over bport in the finals
Based on b-ports last 2 losses I think you have to move them down to 4th behind Naz. Unless the seeding are already out??
The teams generally find out who they will play on Sunday night.
At this point, the seedings would probably be:
Rochester
Geneseo
Naz
BPort
RIT
Fisher
Roberts
Keuka
Could Fisher really be the 6 seed? Certainly before last night RIT would have been behind them, but that win might be enough to move them ahead.
Idk Fisher beat RIT though and now they have one of their better players back, the Chase voters take things like that into consideration.
Quote from: FisherDynasty on January 05, 2008, 04:47:46 PM
Idk Fisher beat RIT though and now they have one of their better players back, the Chase voters take things like that into consideration.
They shouldn't take returning players into account. Seedings should be based on the merits of each team's season to date.
they shouldn't but they do. They dont want to give a team that may not have as good of a record a low seed, even though they are better than a team with a slightly better record. It's not fair to the higher seeds having to play tougher games.
Brockport falling fast. My revised prediction.
Rochester
Geneseo
Naz
RIT
Fisher
Brockport
Roberts
Keuka
Perhaps wishful thinking for RIT at the 4-spot, but I've seen crazier things.
Can anyone please tell me when the seedings/pairings will be announced, and where I can find them when it happens? TIA.
The seedings are being announced tonight at the annual Chase Tourney Dinner (this year at the RIT Inn and Conference Center), and when they are published online I'll post the link.
Here they are:
Men
Wednesday at SUNY Geneseo
No. 1 Rochester vs. No. 8 Keuka, 6;15 p.m.
No. 7 Roberts Wesleyan at No. 2 SUNY Geneseo, 8:15 p.m.
Wednesday at Fisher
No. 3 Nazareth vs. No. 6 RIT, 6:15 p.m.
No. 4 SUNY Brockport at No. 5 Fisher, 8:15 p.m.
I'm surprised Brockport, losers of three straight, managed to remain the four seed -- even if it is essentially meaningless.
The games on Wednesday should be good. The games on Tuesday will likely be bad.
Thanks, bamm. Can you point me towards the women's seedings, too? Can I assume this is a straight bracket (i.e., 1/8 winner plays 4/5 winner, etc.)? Is there a loser's bracket; that is, does everyone play three games, or are you done if you lose? And finally, where are the weekend games going to be played? Sorry to be a pest, but I need this info for my "HOW THEY FARED" posts in the respective Top 25 rooms.
Quote from: bamm on January 06, 2008, 08:48:20 PM
The games on Wednesday should be good. The games on Tuesday will likely be bad.
What games on Tuesday? Are those the women's games?
EDIT: Never mind, I got the information I needed from Rochester's website (http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/article.php?id=2274). Thanks.
WOMEN:
Tuesday, Jan. 8
#1 Rochester (8-1) at #8 Geneseo, 8:15 pm
#4 Roberts Wesleyan (6-6) vs. #5 RIT (6-4), 6:15 pm at Geneseo
#2 Brockport (7-1) vs. #7 Nazareth (3-7), 6:15 pm at St. John Fisher
#6 Keuka (3-2) at #3 St. John Fisher (6-3), 8:15 pm
Our preliminary plan is to cover all of Saturday's action with blogging on the Daily Dose, coaches interviews and broadcasts of games not otherwise carried on WYSL. We'll link to the station's feeds for the title games since JC DeLass does a great job.
Looking forward to the visit to Rochester and hoping weather doesn't derail our plans.
Today's coverage in the D&C.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080107/SPORTS09/801070310/1007/SPORTS (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080107/SPORTS09/801070310/1007/SPORTS)
Do the good folks at D3Hoops have any plans to cover the Chase this year?
If I had to take a guess, here's how I think they'd seed (this is not how I'd seed, just how I think they'd seed based on past tendencies to avoid conference matchups, if possible):
1) Rochester
2) Geneseo
3) RIT
4) Fisher
5) Roberts Wesleyan
6) Brockport
7) Naz
8 ) Keuka
This avoids conference matchups in the 1st round. Also, if form holds, and it almost never does in the Chase, there'd be no conference matchups in the semis, either. I think they'll seed UR ahead of RIT since UR beat them, and RIT ahead of Fisher for the same reason. Where they slap a 7-2 Geneseo will be the key. We know the top four and the bottom four, though.
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 08, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
Do the good folks at D3Hoops have any plans to cover the Chase this year?
I don't think we'll have anyone personally in attendance, no, though of course since J.C. DeLass is the region's Hoopsville correspondent we will have some in-person reporting going on.
Quote from: gobombers15 on January 08, 2009, 10:24:30 PM
If I had to take a guess, here's how I think they'd seed (this is not how I'd seed, just how I think they'd seed based on past tendencies to avoid conference matchups, if possible):
1) Rochester
2) Geneseo
3) RIT
4) Fisher
5) Roberts Wesleyan
6) Brockport
7) Naz
8 ) Keuka
This avoids conference matchups in the 1st round. Also, if form holds, and it almost never does in the Chase, there'd be no conference matchups in the semis, either. I think they'll seed UR ahead of RIT since UR beat them, and RIT ahead of Fisher for the same reason. Where they slap a 7-2 Geneseo will be the key. We know the top four and the bottom four, though.
I see it just a little different. I have it:
1. U of R.
2. RIT
3. Fisher
4. Geneseo
5. Roberts Wesleyan
6. Brockport
7. Keuka
8. Naz
I can see Fisher and Geneseo as interchangable with similar records (assuming they both take care of business this weekend) and similar schedules. But Fisher's win against one ranked team gets them the nod. Just judging by the past Chase rankings, I could see Keuka jumping Brockport, but I don't think it will happen. The seedings tend to just be about records, and not so much about SOS or quality wins.
Quote from: sjfcards on January 10, 2009, 12:45:16 AM
Quote from: gobombers15 on January 08, 2009, 10:24:30 PM
If I had to take a guess, here's how I think they'd seed (this is not how I'd seed, just how I think they'd seed based on past tendencies to avoid conference matchups, if possible):
1) Rochester
2) Geneseo
3) RIT
4) Fisher
5) Roberts Wesleyan
6) Brockport
7) Naz
8 ) Keuka
This avoids conference matchups in the 1st round. Also, if form holds, and it almost never does in the Chase, there'd be no conference matchups in the semis, either. I think they'll seed UR ahead of RIT since UR beat them, and RIT ahead of Fisher for the same reason. Where they slap a 7-2 Geneseo will be the key. We know the top four and the bottom four, though.
I see it just a little different. I have it:
1. U of R.
2. RIT
3. Fisher
4. Geneseo
5. Roberts Wesleyan
6. Brockport
7. Keuka
8. Naz
I can see Fisher and Geneseo as interchangable with similar records (assuming they both take care of business this weekend) and similar schedules. But Fisher's win against one ranked team gets them the nod. Just judging by the past Chase rankings, I could see Keuka jumping Brockport, but I don't think it will happen. The seedings tend to just be about records, and not so much about SOS or quality wins.
If I were Naz and got ranked behind Keuka, a team that just lost by about 50 to first-year team Wells, I think it would fire me up a little. Something needs to wake the program up. The Chase may be just the ticket.
We have seen Naz show up during the Chase tourny when not much was expected of them in the past. I remember my Freshman year, Naz was not all that great but beat Fisher (the 2 seed) and U of R (the 3) before eventually losing to Brockport in the Championship.
CHASE DRAW:
http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2683
It should be an interesting week with the Chase Tournment. I hate it when Fisher has to play Roberts in the Chase. You never know what they are going to throw at you, and you can't make much of who they have beat, and who they have lost to.
I dont hate it Fisher has beatin roberts last 3 or 4 times theyve played in the chase. Id rather have Fisher play Roberts then a Naz team that will play fisher tough no matter how good they are this year.
Chase first round matchups:
Men's Tournament
Wednesday:
At Brockport:
6:15 pm - #1 Rochester (9-2) vs. #8 Keuka (3-4), 8:15 pm - #3 Geneseo (8-3) vs . #6 Brockport (3-6).
At Nazareth:
6:15 pm - #4 St. John Fisher vs. #5 Roberts Wesleyan (8-6), 8:15 pm - #2 RIT (8-3) vs. #7 Nazareth (2-8).
I think the seeding committee read the posts on this page and made sure they were different.
I know this is the way it works with the Chase but the #6 and #7 seeds get to play home games vs. the #2 and #3 seeds, wow.
Based on the records its interesting that Naz got the #7 seed instead of Keuka, I haven't seen any games but from the sounds of it, it really doesn't seem like they deserve it.
Plus it would just be funny to see anyone but Keuka be the #8.
Quote from: tigerfan2 on January 12, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
I know this is the way it works with the Chase but the #6 and #7 seeds get to play home games vs. the #2 and #3 seeds, wow.
Based on the records its interesting that Naz got the #7 seed instead of Keuka, I haven't seen any games but from the sounds of it, it really doesn't seem like they deserve it.
Plus it would just be funny to see anyone but Keuka be the #8.
I'd bet the committee took into consideration Keuka's 100-54 loss to first-year team Wells when deciding where to place them.
I don't like playing NAZ in first round at NAZ >:(.......... Talk about Karma. I know NAz is horrible, but something tells me this is not good. But what do I know ;)
Predictions:
#1 UofR over #8 Kueka by 20
#2 RIT wins a tightone against #7Naz
#3 Geneseo Wins by 10 against #6Bport
#5 Roberts over #4Fisher (Roberts has a lot of Size but typically takes bad shots and no D so fisher may come out on top here) Also Noticed Bozzeli from Naz is on the team. I wonder why, maybe he got more $.
Semi's
UofR over Geneseo by 5
RIT over Roberts by 7
Championship
UofR over RIT by 8
Quote from: FisherDynasty on January 12, 2009, 11:41:16 AM
Predictions:
#1 UofR over #8 Kueka by 20
#2 RIT wins a tightone against #7Naz
#3 Geneseo Wins by 10 against #6Bport
#5 Roberts over #4Fisher (Roberts has a lot of Size but typically takes bad shots and no D so fisher may come out on top here) Also Noticed Bozzeli from Naz is on the team. I wonder why, maybe he got more $.
Semi's
UofR over Geneseo by 5
RIT over Roberts by 7
Championship
UofR over RIT by 8
FD - I'm gonna just go ahead and agree with your picks. ;D
Who is on the "seeding committee" and who actually runs this tournament? I've always thought the Chase was one of the cooler traditions in D3 hoops.
I have no idea. Every piece of information I ever read references the ambiguous "tournament officials".
I do know that the final four is at RIT this year and Roberts next year.
I can also report that in 2010 there will be two Chase tournaments. Because after the January 2010 Chase, the tourney will be switching to November. This decision was made by a consensus vote of all participating schools' ADs and (again) "tournament officials".
Bill Pucko has a nice article today on the Chase.
http://www.mpnnow.com/sports/x743980276/Chase-basketball-tournament-A-local-jewel
He references Van Gundy -- anyone catch his work for ESPN/ABC? I swear he doesn't let a night go by without referencing Nazareth or the Rochester area at least once.
I hope form holds and we see a UR-RIT final. But this is the Chase, and we rarely ever see a #1 vs #2 final. Geneseo will probably ruin the fun.
I agree, I don't think RIT will make it. But they may seeing as they are the home team. They are really tough to beat at home. I know they are playing good basketball right now I just cant see how they are doing as good as they are. Yes I know Carson is a beast but come on hes not the best athlete in the world. There guards are always chippy and strong but not amazingly talented. There big wins vs Fisher and Ithaca were on there home floor. I think Geneseo is a better basketball team and will get further, but, like i said RIT is hosting final 4 which is a huge advantage. If RIT and UofR play again I think UofR will win by more than 2. UofR is a young team and I think will be the best team in region come season end after the frosh get more minutes.
Here are my predictions for this evening:
#1 Rochester thumps #8 Keuka, 79-49.
#2 RIT gets by homestanding #7 Naz, 80-75.
#3 Geneseo nips #6 Brockport, 77-74.
#5 Roberts Wesleyan surprises #4 Fisher, 69-63.
I have to pick one upset, so I went with a Roberts team that is always a wild card in this thing. Brockport is an enigma but could be dangerous on their home court tonight. Naz/RIT always seems to be a tight one and I don't think that changes tonight. UR/Keuka is a mismatch.
I really enjoy the Chase, but I wish Keuka wasn't in this. They're worthless. Couldn't Hobart or Alfred replace them? I'd even take Fredonia if the mystic "tournament officials" were willing to extend its reach a little.
It'd be great if the Central NY teams could muster something similar. More than enough teams to make it work, even if most of the schools aren't as close as the Rochester area schools.
GB15,
I believe that Hobart used to be in the tourney and for some reason dropped out and were replaced by Keuka.
I've often thought the same thing, especially back when they had a pretty solid team with Docteur, Downing, Smith, etc. That would have made for a pretty loaded local tourney but maybe the prospect of 4 teams from the E8 is too much for the "tournament officials"
FD,
Nice backhanded compliments of the Tigers. They may not be the best athletes but they are playing as a team and taking care of their business at home (good teams do that), as evidenced by holding SJF to 36 freaking points, 36.
RIT beat Ithaca (very close) and Fisher (blowout). They've lost to UR and Oneonta, both games that came down to the last couple of possessions. I don't think you need to be skeptical anymore, this team can play with anyone in the region.
One more note, RIT frosh Marcus Lowe won E8 Rookie of the Week honors after he had a breakout game against the Bombers (18 points).
Early Results:
#1 Rochester skates by #8 Keuka, 65-54.
#4 St. John Fisher rallies by #5 Roberts Wesleyan, 72-55.
Fisher trailed with 10 mins remaining before going on a 21-1 run to put the game out of reach.
#6 Brockport leads #3 Geneseo at the half, 30-29.
Tiger - RIT always plays good strong solid Defense and are always good at home. I think they can beat anyone in the region (as the region is down this year). I also dont think they will get upset that much do to their good defense. But I dont think they are as good as theyve played against Fisher and Ithaca. I think they just played their best basketball last weekend and played a little bit above themselves. No not because they beat Fisher ( i have RIT going past them in my Chase predictions) but they are very good at home and are always tough to beat there. When you mention RIT you dont think of a veryy good team you think of them as solid. Maybe some other players will start to standout as the season goes on and they will get that aura around them. Don't take offense they have had a great start to the season and will be right there in the E8 tourny getting close to the NCAA. I just think if this were a normal year with the region not being so weak they would be just above average. Same with this years Fisher team, and most other teams that are mentioned in the top teams in the region.
#7 Nazareth coasts by #2 RIT, 87-73. Naz leads by double-digits for the better part of the final ten minutes. Corey MacAdam paces with 23 pts, 12 assts and 6 rebs. DeHimer holds his own against Carson for Naz, going for 22 and 6. Freshman Jordan Major with 15 off the bench. Carson with 15 and 11 for RIT. Scott Young leads the Tigers with 23 points. Once again, no #1 vs #2 in the Chase final.
#3 Geneseo rallies past #6 Brockport, 61-59. Geneseo trailed for most of the second half before nipping the 'Port. Looks like a Geneseo-UR final on the horizon.
In typical Chase fashion, #4 St. John Fisher upsets #1 Rochester, 71-66. Ozell Franklin with 22 pts for Fisher. Back and forth affair in the 2nd half. Fisher leads by two with 1 min left when UR's Marcus Roberson misses two FT's. Fisher seals the game at the line.
According to the tournament guide the seedings are determined by a vote of the head coaches just prior to the tournament. Don't know how the "vote" is turned into a seeding though. St. John Fisher vs. Nazereth in the final. Based on what I saw last night I think St. John Fisher should be favored. They played very well against a decent U of R team. Geneseo showed just how far the SUNYAC Conference has fallen over the years. The McAdam brothers appear to be the real deal, but once you get past them and Major.... (those three accounted for 75 of the 80 points Nazereth scored, the rest of the team barely touched the ball and were 1-10 from the field with 5 points).
Quote from: owen on January 17, 2009, 06:39:40 AM
According to the tournament guide the seedings are determined by a vote of the head coaches just prior to the tournament. Don't know how the "vote" is turned into a seeding though.
I don't know, but I'm guessing the vote works kind of like preseason polls, where the coaches rank the teams 1-8, and the one with the most points gets the No. 1 seed and so on.
I think it should be a lot of fun tonight with Fisher and Naz in the Chase final. It is always a fun game to watch when the two teams get together. I just hope the crowds show up to get some emotion in the building. Last night was a good win for Fisher, but the place seemed kind of quiet to me.
#4 Fisher wins the J.P. Morgan Chase Scholarship Tournament with a 76-71 over rival #7 Nazareth. Fisher with five guys in double-digits: Newman (17), Witte (14), Gettings (12), Wopperer (10), and Franklin (10). Naz led by Corey MacAdam who goes for 21 pts, 8 assts and 5 rebs. Ryan MacAdam with 15 and freshman Jordan Major with 13 off the bench for the Golden Flyers. Naz spends most of the second half rallying, cutting it to two at one point and later tying it with 3:35 left before Fisher pulls away.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20090923/SPORTS09/909230351/1007/SPORTS
New sponsor for the tourney in January 2010.
BTW, Chuck Fallon, the president of Wendy's North America, is a McMurry University alum and for former football player.
One of the Reasons i would like to start this new topic is... Because i think the Wendys classic is the best tournament in the Country and will be One of the most Memorable tournaments in a long time. With Nazareth, RIT, Rochester, St John Fisher, Brockport, Hobart, Geneseo, and Roberts Wesleyan having very good teams this year!!! The Tournament director is the former great Nazareth Coach Mike Daley. Please share what you think about the Tournament this year.. PREDICTIONS, RANKING OR JUST RANDOM COMMENTS ABOUT THE TOURNAMENT.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE TEAMS.
My Top 8 for seedings in the Wendys Classic
1. Nazareth 3-0 wins over Sage, Rochester, and Fredonia
2. Hobart 2-0 Wins over Rochester and Ithaca
3. Brockport 1-0 Beat St Lawrence Saturday
4. Geneseo 1-0 beat Morrisville
5. RIT 4-0 but low strength of schedule so far
6. Fisher 1-1 lossed to Buffalo State and won at Medaille
7. Roberts Wesleyan 2-1
8. Rochester 1-3 only win DYouville and losses to Oneonta, Naz, and Hobart
Roberts Wesleyan in the final for the first time since 1999-2000 and looking for their first title since they won back to back in 1966-68. Man, that was a LONG time ago
Congratulations to the Brockport Golden Eagles who defeated Roberts Wesleyan 81-52 to win the Championship of the Wendy's College Classic Basketball Tournament.
The Golden Eagles made it look easy as they beat every opponent they faced by a double digit margin. The 1st round was a win over RIT 83-61. The semi-finals saw them dispose of St John Fisher 73-61 and the final was the 29 point win over Roberts Wesleyan who had 2 nice wins over Nazareth and Rochester.
John Ivy was the leading scorer for the Golden Eagles in the tournament with 50 points and 10 rebounds. Brandon Caruthers had 36 points and 13 assists in the 3 games. Matt Lee totaled 25 points, 17 rebounds and 8 assists. Patrick Coyle managed 30 points and 24 rebounds during tournament play.
I'm guessing that Ivy was the MVP and both he and Caruthers were on the All Tournament Team.
Wendy's College Classic Results for Wednesday night. The top 4 seeds all won their 1st round games.
#1 Rochester 59 at #8 Brockport State 50
#2 Geneseo State 74 vs #7 Nazareth 67 at St. John Fisher
#3 St. John Fisher 70 hosted #6 RIT 45
#4 Roberts Wesleyan 67 vs #5 Hobart 60 at Brockport
Schedule for Friday 12-5:
Semifinals:
#1 Rochester vs #4 Roberts Wesleyan 6:00 PM at RIT
#2 Geneseo State vs #3 St. John Fisher 8:00 PM at RIT.
Losers Bracket: Friday 12-5:
#6 RIT vs #7 Nazareth 6:00 PM at Univ. of Rochester
#5 Hobart vs #8 Brockport 8:00 PM at Univ. of Rochester
Results from Fridays games in the Wendy's College Classic.
Brockport State 80 Hobart 78 in OT
Nazareth 71 RIT 66
Hobart will play RIT in the 7th-8th place game at 1:00 PM at Geneseo
Brockport will play Nazareth in the 5th-6th place game at 3:00 PM at Geneseo
Geneseo State 63 St John Fisher 55
Roberts Wesleyan 80 Rochester 63
St John Fisher will meet Rochester in the 3rd-4th place game at 3:00 PM at RIT
Geneseo State will meet Roberts Wesleyan for the Wendy's Championship at 8:00 PM at RIT