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Title: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 16, 2005, 05:40:25 am
Colonel:

Actually, I'm thinking of retiring with my current number of posts. After all, I've got more 'one stars' than anyone else -- what's left to prove?

(Message edited by wt on March 16, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 16, 2005, 09:50:02 am
I almost went to work for M&M Mars in Hackettstown NJ as a machinist but decided against it.  I was tired of working a swing shift so I took a job at another shop.  In Northern NJ, (can't think of the town right now) is the Nabisco bakery, I used to love driving past that place on our way to see my grandmother, the air smelled so good.  Then somebody decided that filters needed to be put in place because it was air pollution, so now all you smell is gas and diesel fumes and swamp.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 16, 2005, 03:01:29 pm
The irony of a fresh-food smell in New Jersey, of all places, being considered "air pollution" is mind-reeling. :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Gordon "Marco Scutaro" Mann on March 16, 2005, 04:43:10 pm
Wow.  Class trips to the M&M factory.

That's much cooler than the trips my elementary school used to make to the Crayola Factory in Easton, PA.

No matter the name, a crayon by any color tastes the same...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 16, 2005, 04:52:39 pm
What, Marco, you have something against Crayola, an iconic company for millions of American kids?. Crayolas may not taste as good as M&M's, but you wouldn't have made it through elementary school without 'em, I don't think. Didn't you several times a day twirl a Crayola in the golden locks of the fourth-grade girl sitting directly in front of you way back when? And isn't such foolishness a vitally important part of growing up?

Advise soonest ....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 16, 2005, 04:57:05 pm
We didn't get to go to the Crayola factory when I was a kid.  It was long before the nice visitors center in Downtown Easton and back when the Center Square in Easton was not the nicest place to bring children.  We did get to go to the Franklin Institute though.  I always loved those trips, I can't wait to take my daughter there.  Supposedly they are refurbishing the giant walk through heart.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 16, 2005, 04:58:26 pm
The biggest advantage of the Class Trip to the M&M factory was the fact it was only fifteen minutes from my elementary school.  That meant more time in the land of candy.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Gordon "Marco Scutaro" Mann on March 16, 2005, 05:46:41 pm
Mmm...burnt siena.

I'm lactose intollerant so maybe this was my way of eating something vaguely resembling chocolate.

By the way, if anyone was curious, they all taste like wax.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: soccaplaya23 on March 16, 2005, 06:23:39 pm
Okay...lots of good information about twirling crayolas in the hair of little girls and eating burnt sienna crayons, not to mention the past of beautiful downtown Easton...

HOWEVER...this all started when i ASKED "WHY DOES ETOWN DROP AN M&M ON NEW YEARS EVE????????"

So, not that I don't enjoy and chortle at these other references, but I now that the topic was brought up, I need to know!  What the heck is Etown doing dropping an M&M if they don't even make them.  And the answer of "well they have the Mars factory" just isn't satisfactory...  Did someone with less than an average IQ decide that MAYBE mars would start making m&m's in Etown...so just in case, let's start dropping one on New Year's Eve?  

Or maybe my rant is for nothing, and someone actually posted the real answer, and I missed it.  If so, please tell me where to look, haha, and I shall go eat my foot (as uncomfortable as it would be).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on March 16, 2005, 07:29:08 pm
Well best I can tell, they drop an M&M because it's a Mars factory and they're just known for M&Ms. They may not make them there now, but they probably made them there at some point.

A quick google search revealed some fascinating traditions:

The object-dropping craze is epidemic throughout Central Pa. Harrisburg, of course, drops a strawberry; Lancaster drops a red rose while York drops a white rose; Lebanon drops one of those god-awful bolognas; Hummelstown drops a sucker; Dillsburg drops a pickle (obviously); And Falmouth, home of the infamous goat races, drops a stuffed goat. Cleona, for some reason, drops a pretzel, Mechanicsburg a wrench, and Shippensburg an anchor. Manheim, instead of dropping a ball a la NYC, raises one.

Annville doesn't seem to be in the mix - maybe they could drop the poor departed Dutchman head?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 16, 2005, 07:32:20 pm
I want to party with the people who drop the stuffed goat.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Parkman on March 16, 2005, 07:34:49 pm
Well, I know for sure that Etown dropped the M&M this year not at midnight, but at 7 PM because it was midnight in Etown's sister city of Letterkenney, Ireland.

And there are other bizarre ones in central PA, here are some:

Lancaster drops a red rose
York drops a white rose
Lebanon drops a bologna
New Bloomfield drops a huckleberry
Duncannon drops a sled
Hummelstown drops a lollipop
Dillsburg drops a pickle
Falmouth drops a goat

The list I found also includes Elizabethtown and Lebanon. Etown drops the M&M to represent Mars, since what better represents the company. But, as far as I know, M&M's have never been made in Etown, so it's kind of false advertising.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Parkman on March 16, 2005, 07:35:34 pm
Well, that list was apparently posted as I was typing and researching...good work Tim!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 17, 2005, 01:36:57 am
Ahhh, crayons...  
"I drew the duck blue, because I'd never seen a blue duck before." -Billy Madison

Perhaps E-town would be better served dropping their 2002 National Championship trophy at New Year's Eve.  WHOOPS!

ColonelJohn's grade school class trips - Knoebels "Amusement Resort".  Win-win situation, whether or not you're above the 54 inch height requirement for the Satellite.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: soccaplaya23 on March 17, 2005, 06:52:14 am
Speaking of Billy Madison..."T-t-today junior!"  Best scene in the whole movie (especially if you are a teacher who actually has wanted to say that many times, but hasn't been able to due to moral obligations and constraints of the profession).  

ColonelJohn...loooooooooooooooow shot...haha...but I still laughed.  

Maybe Fisher's campus could drop a laminated copy of their schedule from this year...up until the point where they lost of course.  Ooh, ouch, that stings.  Haha.

MY elementary school class trips included trips to the "Crystal Caves"  oooooh ahhhhh, scenic Roadside America, AND an even awesomer (*that word inspired by a 2nd grader) trip to the coal miner's tunnel in Ashland (often also referred to as Pioneer's Tunnel, I believe).  

I love being from the Coal Region.

Since I want to relate my post to basketball in some way, seeing as we are on a basketball discussion board...  The coal region has the single BEST arena to watch a high school basketball game in Martz Hall of Pottsville (the Mecca).  Yes, it's old...and oh yes, it is equally fantastic!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopse8 on March 17, 2005, 10:44:06 am
LVC should drop that ECAC trophy from last year. It means about as much as that bologna they drop in Lebanon.  

Socca,

Martz Hall is a great place to watch HS bball, but I still say the Palestra is the best. There was nothing like a district 1 final four at the Palestra, awesome history.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 18, 2005, 01:27:48 am
Nice!  My old high school played at Martz Hall as recently as Tuesday.  They go for the repeat Class A title this afternoon in Hershey, and CJ will be among those present.  Though, I'm sure the old HersheyPark Arena had to be among the best places to play a high school game.

Bryan, there's no shame in an ECAC title.  An ECAC title still isn't as good as an NCAA first round loss, but anytime someone can beat F&M, it's always sweet.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: soccaplaya23 on March 18, 2005, 06:49:11 am
I'll give you the Palestra...but I've seen plenty of games at Martz hall AND HersheyPark (old Arena)...and Martz hall is much better for overall atmosphere!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Donald Hohenwarter on March 18, 2005, 04:59:11 pm
soccaplaya23,

  What part of the Coal Region is your home? I have a brothe rin Mt. Carmel
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: soccaplaya23 on March 18, 2005, 06:35:47 pm
I'm now a Lebanon resident...but I was born and lived in Frackville (Schuylkill County...close to Martz Hall) for 22 years.  Mt. Carmel is a good place...especially if you go out to eat at Matucci's (mmm...I can taste their pizza now)!

By the way, just as a general "life rule of thumb" people in the "coal region" act a little tough, but they are nicer and more welcoming than any other area I have been.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopse8 on March 18, 2005, 10:24:06 pm
Johnny boy,

If an NCAA first round loss is better then an ECAC championship then what is an NCAA final four appearance? I guess you should take back that comment about dropping the 2002 NCAA trophy off of whatever. Oh and you know me too aparently? do you like me or something?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 19, 2005, 04:00:28 am
Don't hate, BTorr.  All is well.  To your point, a Final Four appearance trumps darn near everything.  Period.  The crack at '02 E-town was more my personal jealousy than anything. :-)  It's the same reason I rag on the "alleged" Leb Val title of '94 - it's a title that my beloved Wilkes Colonels don't have.

Socca - that Coal Region toughness "act" may be true of everyone... that is, except Shenandoah (Chen-do, using the vernacular).  It's amazing how that one tiny town has its own accent.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 19, 2005, 04:18:19 am
Congrats to JDB on the Jostens Award.

And does anyone else find the humor in the female Jostens winner being taller than the male Jostens winner??

http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?photo&event=43269&photo=012
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 19, 2005, 09:39:51 am
To be CJ4L she is wearing at least two in heels it looks like, so she isn't that much taller.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: witness on March 19, 2005, 09:57:02 pm
Well, another season comes to a close. I'll be distracted by baseball, the Creationfest and Episode III of Star Wars for the next several months. I'll see you all again in November.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopse8 on March 19, 2005, 11:31:48 pm
O ok, CJohn...your a cool cat, keep it real homie (peace sign)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 21, 2005, 12:14:43 am
All good, B.  All good.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Donald Hohenwarter on March 30, 2005, 05:06:32 pm
And yet another award for J-D Byers. Nice 4 years J-D!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Gordon "Marco Scutaro" Mann on April 17, 2005, 07:45:37 pm
I thought the Leb Val fans might enjoy these articles on their former Head Coach:

http://www.dailyitem.com/archive/2005/0417/sports/stories/01sports.htm

http://www.dailyitem.com/archive/2005/0417/sports/stories/02sports.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 17, 2005, 08:01:51 pm
Marco, thanks for the info on Pat Flannery. I fear for his health; coaching in D1 seems to be eating him up.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on April 27, 2005, 10:19:56 am
Here is a story about a former LVC basketball player and Alum.
Quinter

(Message edited by knightstalker on April 27, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 27, 2005, 10:15:51 pm
Thanks, 'stalker. We remember Todd's successes in Annville.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on June 12, 2005, 03:42:04 pm
I miss basketball season.

Does anybody know anything about who's bringing in who?  What do folks see as individual needs for each team in the C'wealth?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 26, 2005, 12:35:23 pm
Recently graduated LVC player J.D. Byers has just signed on as a graduate assistant at FDU-Florham.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopse8 on July 30, 2005, 04:02:50 pm
Recently graduated Widener player Casey Stitzel has been hired as an assistant coach at division II Philadelphia University. He replaces his brother Corey, who played for Etown, and is now an assistant at Gannon College in Erie. Casey will be working with one of the most respected coaches in the country at any level in Herb Magee.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 16, 2005, 08:34:13 am
So with this new board, it begs the question - no more one-star bandit?

On a more basketball-related note, LVC's men's schedule has been released, and it looks like a doozy. They're competing in three tournaments - the home Rinso (Arcadia/Averett/Randolph-Macon), Roanoke (Ferrum/Roanoke/UMass-Dartmouth) and an absolutely brutal York tournament (York/Lincoln/Messiah). Also the usual non-conf suspects - @Ursinus, @Dickinson, F&M and Del Val @ home. Should be a fun season.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on August 18, 2005, 01:39:56 pm
Well good for the newly hired!

The LVC schedule looks fairly strong, but I don't know if the peppermint pattie tournament is exactly 'brutal.'
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 18, 2005, 08:57:30 pm
Maybe "brutal" is too strong, but you've got a Final Four team in York (28-4), Messiah is a team on the rise (19-6 last year), and Lincoln, although they lost a lot, is still pretty good. LVC obviously will look a lot different, but I don't know you could get a more entertaining tournament out of four east-central Pa. teams unless you toss F&M or Albright into the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on August 19, 2005, 01:52:29 pm
Tim,

I am not so sure. The Peppermint Patties graduated 3 starters and another serious contributor, representing half of their offense.  Messiah graduated 3 starters including the point guard, so i am not sure about them being on the rise.  Lincoln, well who knows, they are Lincoln.  I will give you that it looks like a good tournament in August, but gosh, it's AUGUST!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 19, 2005, 03:39:32 pm
Hey, I gotta have SOMETHING to look forward to, even if it's just all in my head.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on August 19, 2005, 04:42:18 pm
Tim -

Amen! There are some of us Centennial Conference Fans who feel exactly the same way that you do!

Bring on the season now!


Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on August 19, 2005, 09:17:09 pm
dip -

some places the season starts earlier than others!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 23, 2005, 10:37:46 am
ohhh.... Warren, thanks for the info on JD... good for him!  :D



As much as I like the team aspects of basketball, I am really going to miss the individual performances of guys like JD, Jon Nielson, Jason Kalsow, and Chris Martin... guys that were just a joy to watch play.  :'(

So, I'm curious... are there any up and coming guys in the conference that I should be keeping my eye on?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 23, 2005, 10:17:52 pm
I don't know if Trevor Deeter still qualifies as an "up and comer" (I don't think so) but he is probably my favorite guy left to watch in the conference. Matt Kieselowsky also comes to mind from Albright as someone I always enjoyed seeing play. Widener's Essien Ford is also a fun guy to watch.

From LVC, I think Jimmy Curran is an outstanding guard who can make some great shots from the outside, and Billy Orr will be someone to watch out for in the post, just because his on-court work ethic seems to be so above and beyond everyone else on the court when he's out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 25, 2005, 08:29:34 am
Thanks Tim... I definitely like Jimmy... he's a keeper. Plus his name is Jimmy, and ask any CCIWer, that's a special first name for me.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on October 13, 2005, 11:12:32 am
Yeaaaa college hoops.  Yo, HoopsE8...time for a name change...maybe...HoopsDaFin203?...I like the sound of that.

I think it will be another interesting year in the MAC Commonwealth.  I'm interested to see how the Blue Jays will shake out minus the 8 seniors from last year.  They have one of the best coaches a team could find, so I'm sure they will be right in the thick of things again.

On a closing note...where is bossman.  You are truely missed big guy!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: btorr12 on October 16, 2005, 09:44:11 am
 Hmm...HoopsDaFin203 huh? I don't know, it just might have to happen. Anyway, it should be another interesting season in the Com Con. I'd like to hear everybody's predicted order of finish. I know it's early, but it would be interesting to look back and see if anybody is a psychic. Hopefully this year we can stay sane on this board and not have people yelling other people's handles at conference games (I found that mighty funny that a middle aged man got upset enough over this board to do that). Hey rollingthunda, i typed this message at a medium pace.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 07:53:11 am
Some thoughts for all the Commonwealth people:

This seems to be a league in play this year.  Several teams seem to have enough to compete for the automatic bid.    Does anyone want to go out on a limb an name the 4 playoff teams?  Is there a sleeper?

Warren - how will the LVC Guernseys errr Dutchmen be this year?  Albright seems ready again.  Widener may be poised to return to the fray.

C
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 08:29:05 am
You should be happy that I knew one kind of cow.  (I am assuming a Jersey is a cow and not the locale from whence a recruit originated.)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on November 09, 2005, 10:43:47 pm
Coach C:

No doubt the Commonwealth is in play somewhat. You're talking about a conference that is now depleted of its top players - nine of ten all-conference players graduated (Deeter's the only one back). That, to me, makes it more exciting. Who's going to step up? Who's the next big name? It's neat to see a conference turn over all at once like this. It should be a fun season.

I think the top spot is Albright's to lose. They, to me, seem to have lost the least (not that Gallagher's graduation won't hurt), and I have a feeling that's what it comes down to this year. Their bench production put them over the top in the title game last year, and the depth should still be there. Albright's still loaded - and they've only got two seniors. Scary.

Of the other three 04-05 playoff teams, LVC loses nearly a half of its offensive production in just two starters (Byers and Buzinski accounted for 33.9 points per game last year) and a key reserve in Orr. Thankfully, the freshman class is chock full of guards and they get Kasyan back. It could be worse.

E-town loses four of five starters and eight seniors overall. God knows what they can pull out, but if anybody can do it, Schlosser can. Messiah loses two guys that were 10+ points per game, but I consistantly got the feeling last year that they were overachieving.

Widener was right there, and it seems like it was just Clarkson's injury that really impaired their post play down the stretch and caused them to miss out. They'll be a playoff team.

Moravian, Susquehanna, Juniata? Well, try and enjoy your last remaining seasons in the MAC, fellas.

So my order? I agree with the coaches' poll. Albright runs away with it, followed by Widener, LVC, and Messiah. In a shocker, and only after Warren performs an ancient Pa. Dutch ritual involving a goat, a buggy, and a bologna, the Dutchmen beat Widener in Chester for the first time since the Carter administration, in quintuple overtime. Albright, fresh off their 115-56 semifinal win against Messiah in the Bollman "Our PA System Goes to 11" Center, repeats as champs after a tired and deafened LVC squad can't hear each other after the starting line-ups.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 10, 2005, 01:37:43 am
Tim -

I guess that scenario is as likely as Susquehanna winning the title in their last MAC season.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: d3sthebest on November 11, 2005, 09:59:34 pm
did walter fowler graduate from susquehannaa?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: d3sthebest on November 11, 2005, 10:08:22 pm
also curious if will sieller is playing this year
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on November 14, 2005, 06:40:21 pm
That's good to hear Warren. Kyle Enoch, also, was a three-point machine at Hempfield. He led the L-L Section One in treys last year (47). Averaged 15 ppg and was a 77% free-throw shooter.

I hope to make it to the game on Sunday. Can't wait to see some D-III ball again.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 20, 2005, 05:41:55 pm
FINAL:

Randolph-Macon 68, LVC 57.

A good game for the Valley v. #18 and nothing to be ashamed of. It was far from the blowout many Macon fans might have expected  (and I feared). Brad's players were well-prepared, played tough defense, and made the Yellowjackets work hard for the win.

Wansley was the well-earned tourney MVP.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 10:09:43 am
Warren -

Still the same 'clog up the middle and bash the heck out of opponents' offense from LVC?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 06:19:08 pm
Well good!  With all of the motion offenses out there, it is good to know that LVC is holding true to its standard!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 22, 2005, 07:37:20 pm
W -

I meant that the LVC defense was good against motion.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2005, 11:44:03 am
Warren -

I didn't get a chance to travel to Annville last evening and I haven't seen F&M play since the opening game of the Spounagle Tournament. Did you see the game and do you any observations to offer about my young Diplomat squad? How are the Dutchmen developing? Please advise. Thanks.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: swish on December 02, 2005, 03:12:01 pm
Anybody want to take a stab at this question. Who was the better player - Mike Rhoades or JD Byers? I saw Byers play but never Rhoades. I obviously never saw Panko play but my impression from what I have seen on this board is that he was the best ever at LVC  hands down. Is that accurate?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: r.w. mcnickels on December 02, 2005, 03:34:08 pm
I'd say Rhoades over Byers.  I only saw each player a few times, but Rhoades was a better floor general and more complete player.  He got better when the game was on the line.  Panko was a forward so it's hard to compare him with the two guards, but he was a phenomenal talent that you don't usually find in D-III.  But his teams surprisingly never won a single NCAA game, so I'd call Rhoades LVC's best player ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: swish on December 02, 2005, 05:09:04 pm
Warren,
I'm surprised Byers isn't playing at least a year overseas. He may not be able to play in the top leagues but he definately could play somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on December 02, 2005, 05:31:48 pm
Swish, R. W., and Warren -

I saw many an F&M-LVC game at Lynch and at Mayser when both were in the old MAC and played twice each year. There were very few blow-outs and most were extremely tight games with many lead changes and with a few overtimes sprinkled in for good measure. I was in standing room only crowds at least four times and stood in a corner (at Lynch, of course) for two entire games!

Here's my take on the question that Swish raised. First, I wholeheartedly agree that it is almost impossible to accurately and fairly compare point guards with front court players. Their roles are just too different. Thus, I will keep my comparison to just Rhoades and Byers. Besides, I always thought Panko's game was a bit one-dimensional.

I think that Rhoades was the best ever at LVC. In addition to being a better floor leader, I would rate him as a more complete all-around player and a better defender. I don't know what the numbers are, but, I would also suspect that he had more career rebounds (and probably, more career assists) as well. He was both mentally and physically tough, and was always a gentleman when the game was done. He was also a member of a national championship team. If only, the Dutchmen and the Dips could have met in the elite eight that year (my Dips let us down)...... In my mind, its not that close - Rhoades hands down.

Finally, although I saw many phycially tough dutchmen players (including the center from Pottsville whose name escapes me right now - same class as F&M's DiCello), Dave Bentz was the toughest and most physical of them all.

All in all, an excellent question and discussion thus far. I look forward to some additional comments. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on December 15, 2005, 06:55:09 pm
Coach C,

You might want to reconsider the likelihood of Sus. winning the league next year.....  I heard there might be a couple of suprises coming in....

Frumkin
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on December 16, 2005, 03:39:43 pm
At this point in the year you have already heard about new players for next year?  Interesting!  Very interesting!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 06, 2006, 12:34:27 pm
Can anyone beat Widener... Clarkson is not a D3 player.... mid D-1 kid... How does end up there?

How are they not in the Top 25? Hard to sleep on an undefeated team with such big wins.... with Ford, Clarkson, Thomas, and the state's best pg in Blakely....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 06, 2006, 02:37:37 pm
sleeprcell -

Which wins are big?  I will agree that they are underrated, but it has not been a strong schedule so  far.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 06, 2006, 02:52:28 pm
I've talked about Widener's potential on Hoopsville, our Tuesday night radio show, more than once.

But let's wait until they beat someone other than Goucher (0-11), Immaculata (1-10), Wilmington (1-8 after that game), Philadelphia Bible (2-7) and Susquehanna (3-8).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 09, 2006, 01:13:32 pm
For the record,  1-5 they are a very very good team.

1-10 rating system
 
Blakely: 7.5 true pg.  runs the show
Ford: 9 3 pt shooter
Thomas: 9 versatile, athletic swingman
Michael: 8 beast in the blocks
Clarkson: 10 one of the bestr all around 5's in the country

What does this team not have?  They have to be top 25 in the country by now.  Any undefeated team at break has earned enough street cred. to be there.


How does susquehanna beat Wilkes?  I don't get it....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 10, 2006, 05:55:54 pm
How is Widener still not ranked?  I don't get it..... They are contenders.... U heard it hear first.... Would not be suprised if they went undefeated..

Frumkin
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2006, 06:46:58 pm
How is Widener still not ranked?

Nov 18  Men     Widener     Kean (3-8)     62-47     
Nov 19    Men    Lycoming (7-6)    Widener    72-77    
Nov 22    Men    Chestnut Hill (1-10)    Widener    45-70    
Nov 25    Men    Hood (6-8)    Widener    62-72    
Nov 26    Men    Gallaudet (7-4)    Widener    61-66    
Nov 29    Men    Widener    Lebanon Valley (6-7, 0-2)    OT    78-67    
Dec 3    Men    Susquehanna (4-9, 0-2)    Widener    46-70
Dec 8    Men    Philadelphia Bible (2-7)    Widener    66-81    
Dec 13    Men    Wilmington (Del.) (1-9)    Widener    62-75    
Dec 22    Men    Widener    Immaculata (1-11)    84-50    
Jan 5    Men    Widener    Goucher (0-11)    86-71    
Jan 7    Men    Rutgers-Camden (1-11)    Widener    66-92    

Opponents' record: 39-101, .279

I think the voters are correctly noting that more than 25 teams would have gone undefeated so far against that schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 10, 2006, 07:24:09 pm
Good retort above, Pat.

relax thompson.... no need to make the big guy feel good about himself...  :-*  we get it

Having seen them play, (most voters have not) you are missing the boat....

they are winning each game by a margin of 18 points... and undefeated... something to be said for not losing into mid-january and being in the top 25.

humbly, i disagree...



Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2006, 09:18:50 pm
relax thompson.... no need to make the big guy feel good about himself...  :-*  we get it

Having seen them play, (most voters have not) you are missing the boat....

We haven't missed anything yet. Widener isn't even on the boat.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 11, 2006, 02:46:39 pm
Guys, I have seen them and they are a good 1-5 team.  They are thin on the bench, but well-coached, and of course Clarkson is a horse.

However, the schedule is HORRID.  It is near Wilkes-like in it quality.  That makes it pretty hard to compare this team against the other undefeateds. 

I think they are a top 25 team based on talent, but it's hard to prove with the schedule.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 11, 2006, 03:59:46 pm
Widener may be tremendously talented (aren't they always) but it never fails that every year they have a serious issue with chemistry and they never quite play to their potential.  I've seen it for the last 4 years now.  When things are going their way, everything is great, but show them a little adversity and tough times and they start yelling at each other and its over from there.  Not sure if this will be the year they get that fixed up.  Blakely is one of the quickest point guards I've ever seen, but I think my grandmother is more of a threat to shoot the ball than he is and while Clarkson is a very gifted all around player, both he and Michael have trouble playing against guys that like to get physical and mix it up.  Thomas and Ford are both solid players to round out the starting 5 but I think their depth will hurt them when they play some better teams.

Enough of Widener though.  I haven't seen a game yet this year, but will be in Etown this weekend to watch the Jays pickup their first Conference win of the season against the Dutchies (they dont have JDB to throw anymore falling-out-of-bounds-from-the-hash-mark-with-three-defenders-on-him-with-one-second-lef-on-the-shot-clock three pointers in to clinch the game >:().  Despite losing 8 players from last years team, it sounds as if Coach Schlosser has them playing hard again this year (although I don't think that should come as a surprise to anyone).  Etown may get outrebounded in most games, but they force enough turnovers and wear teams out to win games.  Things should get interesting as always now that the heart of the conference schedule is starting.

GO JAYS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 12, 2006, 12:48:39 am
Clarkson or Ford did not play.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 12, 2006, 10:04:32 am
Well THAT hurt!!!!

sleeprcell - Did you get to the game?  Heard about it in the Courts?  Not back on campus yet so you aren't up on the rumors?

Please let us know what is REALLy up in Chester.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 12, 2006, 10:37:45 am
Etown beat Juniata last night, so hopefully I will be seeing their 2nd conference win of the season on Saturday.  A win this weekend would also give Coach Schlosser the 250th of his career.

Sounds like the Pioneers had a rough night.   Clarksons numbers were well below his average scoring output.  The Albright frontcourt is pretty physical.  Any correlation?  I think Widener will struggle all year with teams that play physical.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 12, 2006, 10:49:05 am
When I said they didn't play it was more of the Randy Moss type and not the Scranton injury type.... They were in uniform and on the court, but clearly they did not play....

Was it albright being that good or was it a Widener team not ready after the layoff? Tough one to answer.  If I saw it I could tell you.   I am betting it was a Randy Moss type situation....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 13, 2006, 09:42:50 am
sleeprcell -

Brilliant analysis of the Widener situation.  You should drop by the Schwartz Center today and see if Coach Duda has any spots on the coaching staff for you.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 16, 2006, 10:46:16 am
couldnt stand the players making more than a coach
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 17, 2006, 11:21:14 pm
Man this board has really gone down the tubes now that LVC is no good and the superstar is gone. What happened to all the faithful Flyin Dutchmen followers out there? Did the cable modems in Anville stop working?

It was good to see the Jays pour it on the Dutchies this past weekend. After a couple tough conference road losses before break they are playing very well. They won the Villa Julie Holiday Tourny upsetting pre-season #15 Trinity in the final (They were up by 25 at one point). They travel to SusqU tomorrow in what should be their first road conference win of the season. And, as we all know the Jays always give Widener fits with their style of play so they should have two very good ball games against each other. Good luck to all, hope to hear from you LVC guys again soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 17, 2006, 11:29:31 pm
Hoopsdafin203:

Good to have you aboard.  Truthfully, this whole region has been pretty dead this season.

By the way, Trinity (Conn.) hasn't been ranked since last season.  But that's still a decent win for the Jays.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 18, 2006, 10:24:01 pm
Man I hate eating crow, but I'll make everybody happy. Etown lost by 11 tonight at Susquehanna. I was not in attendence and was very surprised to hear the outcome. This will make it an uphill battle to get into the playoffs for the Jays. They've shown they can play with and beat some good teams, but have also been inconsistent at times. If I know Coach Schlosser he will have them ready to make a run as conference play continues.

On a seperate note can we please get some updates from around the conference? This board is boring. Lets go people!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 19, 2006, 01:18:28 am
Widener has a big match-up with Messiah on Saturday night at Brubaker.

The top spot looks like it'll be a close battle between those two and Albright.  Messiah beat Albright who beat Widener who beat...Messiah?

We'll see.  I hope to be in attendance.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 19, 2006, 02:16:25 pm
With about 1/3 of conference games played, Albright Widener and Messiah have the top three spots.  I suspect they will end up finishing in the top three, but I won't make a prediction on the order.

The Widener game this Saturday is an important one for Messiah as they will still have Widener and Albright road games remaining on the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 19, 2006, 03:38:30 pm
Nice to have a new poster in here....AND of a new fan base too.  This is getting a little too exciting for me.  Way to go out on a limb there and not make a prediction.  Sure its still early, but thats what makes it fun.  I'll take:

1.  Albright
2.  Messiah
3.  Widener
4.  Elizabethtown

Yea....I had to go with the homer pick for number 4.  They should be able to make it in if they can avoid losses to teams that they should beat (see last night).  After watching them play a pretty solid game this past Saturday, they left me scratching my head when I saw last nights result.  Mr. Reginold, did u get any insight from the players as to what in the world happened?  I would sure like to know.  They will need to be a little more consistent if they want that last playoff spot.

Weekend pickem....

Moravian @ Etown.....Etown by 17
Widener @ Messiah....Messiah by 11
Juniata @ Albright....Albright by 23...at halftime
Susquehanna @ Leb Val....Leb Val by 7
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 19, 2006, 04:19:52 pm
rolling thunda -

I'll take the dogs in your first three and the favorite in the last.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 19, 2006, 05:13:32 pm
It seems as if the flu was going around the Elizabeth team last night why they were not there altogether....talk about a bad loss....no way they should have lost to Susquehana... We beat them by 30 and it was never a game. 

I think we will destroy Messiah...(despite my resume not be accepted by the staff)....

Clarkson is the player of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 20, 2006, 12:04:08 am
Word on the street is that Etown came out flat last night. They got down by 11, got it as close as four and ended up losing by 11. This is a devastating loss by any stretch, but it does not put Etown out of the question as far as the conference goes. There is nobody in the conference that wants to play Etown in the playoffs provided they play well enough to get in. On that note I'd say they are definitely the best of the rest after the top 3 teams in the conference and have showed they can atleast play with the top teams in their own gyms. I don't see Widener giving Etown much trouble. Etown will outsmart them (including their coach) and win going away. Where are you Horsewater?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 20, 2006, 11:18:22 am
Etown is not on the same level as Widener. NBA to D3 comparison

Shreiber vs. Clarkson = Raef lafrenz vs. Garnett
Weaker Shreiber vs. Michael = Scott Pollard vs. Kenyon Martin
Brezec vs. Ford =  Gordon Giricek vs. Ben Gordon
Adams vs Blakely = Steve Blake vs. Speedy Claxton
Piersol vs. Thomas = Scalabrine vs. Ricky Davis

Say what you want, but Widener is the team with the Bright ones.....

Is Shreiber guarding Clarkson?
Other Shreiber guarding Michael
Piersol running with Thomas

Just don't see it....

Smarter?  Smarter would be to take the team that is light years better at each position.  If Etown plays there best and Widener doesn't respect them they could steal one, but the matchups are soooo bad...

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 20, 2006, 01:12:06 pm
WT -

WITH the points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 20, 2006, 07:27:25 pm
Sleepyhead:

I dont know if you have been following the conference for the last, oh 5 years or so, but the matchups are always that way when Etown plays Widener.  Every year Widener is faster, more athletic, taller, etc, etc.  The one problem with your NBA comparison....this ain't the NBA homie.  This is D3 where kids play hard every night and leave it on the floor, so anything can happen.  Thats the beauty of college bball (at any level) as opposed to those spoiled babies in the pros.  Over the last 5 years, depsite being smaller and less athletic and all that garbage Etown OWNS the series 9-4.  Point being....Etown outsmarts Widener on a regular basis.  Widener has always had a rough time stopping the flex and always ends up fighting amoungst themselves.

The key to that game will be the Schriebers.  If they are physical enough with Clarkson and Ron Mike the game will go to Etown.  If they let those two bounce all over the gym Widener will take it.

Darren Dafin:

Good point on Horsewater.  Bossman must have exciled him from the message boards last year.  I'm still awaiting the brilliant opinions of the Bossman to return.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 20, 2006, 09:41:13 pm
Mr. Sandman,

First of all your assessment of Clarkson as a mid-level d1 player is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. He had 12 and 8 points respectively in last years meetings with Etown, much to do with the defense of graduated center Dan Keane, but also with the defensive system used by Coach Schlosser. Keane was 6'4" playing against 6'7" and both the Schreibers are 6'6". Keane was a lot more physical than eith Schreiber, but Clarkson is a lot more finesse than power so that shouldn't be an issue. He would get eaten alive by D-1 big men, even in the Patriot League which is a low D-1 conference.  Put him at a St. Joe's or Temple (mid D-1's) and he doesn't leave the bench. This is a lot of talk coming from a team who has the weakest non-conference schedule by far in the in the commonwealth and didn't even make the playoffs last year when they were a better team (Schaeffer, Stitzle).

Can we please get horsewater and bossman back here for some insightful comments? I mean sleepercell sounds like he types what Duda tells him to.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 21, 2006, 02:10:27 am
Fine, you guys are right.... Widener is not all that.  Iv'e been rooting for Albright from day one. 

Clarkson would not play at Temple or St. Joe's.  However, I think he could have showed up at a mac school last year (D1) and developed into a contributing jr. (unless 4man was all conference). 

The kid is solid. anyway you break it down.....He has to be the most talented in the league.  Blame anyone you want on the poor start we are off to... (oops, were 14-1)....Etown  is what? Not 14-1 and we are going to shock people in the NCAA tournament.......
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 22, 2006, 12:58:56 am
Etown got a big win today against Moravian. They didn't play their best game of the year, but they played well enough to win and thats what matters. The referees were about an hour late which caused a delay in the start of the game and a slow start for both teams. The Jays were paced by Greg Brizek's 15 points along with Luke Ledyard's career high 14 point, 7 rebound performance. Mike Schatzman chipped in with 11 off the bench even through a lackluster performance from his fan club.

The unsung hero of this team so far has been senior point guard Greg Adams. Coming into the season it was assumed he was going to have to score for this team to be successful. However, he has put his personal stats aside and has done an excellent job running the show and giving opposing PG's fits on defense. He can fill up a stat sheet as he did today (13 points, 7 assists, 3 steals, 0 turnovers), but his best performances have been in some of the games where he's scored 2 or 4 points. If he is not the first team all conference point guard this year that would be a travesty.  He is definitely the best true point guard in the conference.

Big week for the Jays coming up, Wed vs Widener, Sat vs Albright. I'm predicting two wins. How bout you rolling thunda?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 22, 2006, 01:07:55 am
I had the opportunity to watch Messiah-Widener tonight, so here are some thoughts.

 - Clarkson is very good.   He's got one of the smoothest mid-range jumpers I've seen at this level in a while and is quick enough to create his own shot.  He took over down the stretch, getting a bucket with under 3 minutes...then another...then another...then a steal and 1 of 2 for free throws.

He did looked gased at the 7 minute mark and four fouls with a few minutes left.  But he gutted it out and stayed away from the fifth foul.

 - Messiah is a decent, disciplined team but Widener really shut them down inside.  It seemed like the Falcons were resigned to just shooting threes.

 - Fun environment at Brubaker.  A good band...energetic crowd...even an amusing looking mascot.  Good stuff.  At one point, the Messiah students sang a Kelly Clarkson son in unison to taunt Widener's star.  He had the last laught though.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 23, 2006, 10:39:42 am
2-2 on Saturdays picks.  The Albright game came as a shocker.  Coach C woulda had that pick right without the points afterall Warren.  Anybody get the story on what happened there?  Glad to see the Jays get back on the winning side of things.

Definitely agreed that Greggy Adams should get the First-Team All Conference PG love.  The kid is a quiet storm because he usually doesnt fill up the points category.  Hoops, while you and I agree upon this, I believe our friends in Chester would probably like to argue with us, so I did a little research.

This year Adams ranks 2nd overall in the Conference in Assists at 4.13 a game (Blakey 3rd).  Adams ranks 7th in Steals with 1.60 a game (Blakey 8th).  And possibly the most important stat when looking at PG's, Adams has a 2.21 Assist/Turnover Ratio that ranks him 3rd overall in the Conference (its worth mentioning that the two ahead of him have 14 and 8 assists respectively while Adams has 62 and Blakey ranks 6th).  I'm not knocking Blakey at all.  The kid defines the meaning of a true PG, but my vote would go to Adams.  And not that it matters, but last year Adams ranked 1st in Assist/Turnover Ration, 3rd in Assists, and 5th in Steals.  Hopefully he gets the credit he is due this year.

A two win week would be incredible for the Jays.  My opinion is already on the record that I believe the Jays can play with Widener and win.  Albright has caused Etown a bit of trouble the last couple seasons though.  Deeter always gives them problems and somehow that Bolesbury kid always has his biggest games against Etown.  I'll be at Thompson for the Albright game so hopefully they can pull that one out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 23, 2006, 12:59:03 pm
Not the result I was hoping for in the Messiah-Widener game, but a good game none the less..

Messiah looked good in the first half, and held the lead for the entire half.  Messiah shot terribly in the second half (28%), and Widener took over the game.  Yoder got into foul trouble and did not play as many minutes as he has been.

On Widener's end, Clarkson struggled from the freethrow line but more that made up for it with his 14 of 22 from the field.  I was also impressed with Thomas as a quality player.


Up nexty for Messiah is Moravian on the road Wed followed by LVC at home Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: alert on January 23, 2006, 03:46:04 pm
I think it is time to seriously consider Juniata to sneak into the playoffs.  Big back to back wins against Messiah and at Albright.  A couple more road victories and I think they get in.  Definitely cannot take them lightly like in years past especially at home.

On a side note, how old and long has clarkson been at widener?  He seems like the Carl Krauser of the MAC
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 23, 2006, 04:14:53 pm
IIRC, Clarkson is a 5th year senior.  I would say he is about 22 or so.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 23, 2006, 07:11:38 pm
Alert,

Were you at the game vs Albright? Fill us in on some details if you were. I don't know if they will be a threat to get in the playoffs this year, but they certainly have a nice team and Messiah and Albright are quality wins for them.

Coach C,

Did Clarkson transfer to Widener? I know redshirts are not allowed at the D3 level so I'm not sue how he is able to play as a 5th year senior. Just wondering.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 23, 2006, 08:05:02 pm
Juniata has never been an expected win at home.  That is a tough place to play.  I think a lot has to do with the long ride up there, but the student section is always right on the court and they get pretty nasty with the players.  They are definitely in the running for that 4th spot.  I think it will come down to them and Etown in a fight for the last spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 04:57:32 am
I know redshirts are not allowed at the D3 level so I'm not sue how he is able to play as a 5th year senior. Just wondering.

That regulation only went in before the 2004-05 season. Before that it was legal to redshirt.

Also, it is still permitted to have a medical redshirt year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 09:51:32 am
Clarkson was not a transfer.  He enrolled as a freshman.  I don't know for sure, but I think he had a medical issue and missed a year. 

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 24, 2006, 10:15:54 am
If he did not transfer and enrolled at Widener as a freshman than he is a regular 4th year senior.  I distinctly remember a game from his first year at Widener against Etown in which he had about 6 dunks and that was the 02-03 season.  He has played the last 4 years (this year included) so his eligibility should be up after this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 24, 2006, 10:35:37 am
Wednesdays Picks:

Widener @ Etown....Etown by 5...Muscle up Schriebers
Albright @ Susq...Albright by 2 touchdowns and two field goals
Messiah @ Moravian...Messiah by 13
LVC @ Juniata...Juniata by 9
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: alert on January 24, 2006, 10:42:34 am
Hoopsdafin

I wasnt at the Juniata vs Albright game but here is the link
http://www.lvc.edu/mac/story1.html

Ill take the 3 favorites from above except the Etown game.  I'll take Widener with the money line.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 02:09:59 pm
good call rt - you are correct!

AS for the scores, i would say you have each right, but Albright @ Susqy wont be a 20 point game.

maybe 30.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 24, 2006, 02:55:40 pm
I agree about the Albright game, but they I decided to go a little more conservative with the line this time since they crapped the bed on Saturday when I had them up 23 at half.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 24, 2006, 03:21:12 pm
Wednesdays Picks:

Widener @ Etown....Etown by 5...Muscle up Schriebers
Albright @ Susq...Albright by 2 touchdowns and two field goals
Messiah @ Moravian...Messiah by 13
LVC @ Juniata...Juniata by 9


Etown by 5?  Didnt they lose to susquehanna?  They are also not very good.  Widener -11 I am taking Widener.

Albright @ Susquehanana -  Too much Size, don't see how Susqy keeps it close
Messiah @ Moravian - I'll take Messiah by 20
LVC @ Juniata - LVC is the worst team in the league, by far.

Accurate lines:
Widener (-8.5) vs. Etown
Juniata (-12) vs. LVC
Albright (-23) vs. Susquehanna
Messiah (-15.5) vs. Moravian

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 24, 2006, 03:59:32 pm
You have Albright winning by 3 more points than I did, Messiah by 2.5 more points than I did, and Juniata by 3 more points than I did.  So basically you agree with me across the board, except you think Widener is going to beat Etown, which we have already previously disagreed about.

Your post could have been summed up by simply saying, "Why yes rollingthunda, you are correct, save the Widener game because my Pioneers are going to kick the snot out of your Blue Jays.  But thanks for redoing the lines for me and making them accurate to the tens decimal place.  I appreciate it.

And Etown coming off a bad loss only throws fuel to the fire there chief.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 24, 2006, 04:56:15 pm
Well Widener has traditionally struggleed out there and I am thinkint that Etown will wake up soon, so I like the birds.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 24, 2006, 05:01:08 pm
Maybe the 2 of ytou should go for dinner after.....I am sure Crow is on the menu.... In other news Elizabethtown is not good.....sorry you do not have a good team this year. 

Good = Widener + Albright + Messiah
bad= Etown
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 24, 2006, 09:50:41 pm
Good call on the lines rollingthunda. I knew I could count on you to clear up the Clarkson situation. As for sleepercell, I think you're going to be the one eating crow in February when your Pioneers poop out of the playoffs early again. Enough about Clarkson, Blakey is your best player, he makes your team. Quickest PG and sickest handle in the conference. No doubt Etown wins tomorrow and covers.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on January 24, 2006, 10:41:18 pm
For the love of god.....where to begin with some of you clowns. I love the people here who say E-town can hang with, let alone win against, Widener. For starters, Clarkson isnt a 5th year senior. He got hurt, but didnt redshirt his soph year. He also didnt transfer in, he is a legit senior and came there his freshman year. I use to play on the team. Second, name anyone in the league, let alone on Etown who can stop him????????????????? Watching their games it really isnt fair when he plays. If you want a line to make for the game, do over/under Clarkson's dunks at 10 (-950). :) But in all honesty, the kid cant be stopped. Have a good ones pimps and hoes,

K
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 09:19:38 am
thereiis -

He's th best player in the league.  But you asked who can stop him ... well, Murphy and Walter did a pretty good job on him at Albright. 

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 25, 2006, 09:22:09 am
Maybe the 2 of ytou should go for dinner after.....I am sure Crow is on the menu.... In other news Elizabethtown is not good.....sorry you do not have a good team this year. 

Good = Widener + Albright + Messiah
bad= Etown

Your math  = Widener education
And I wasnt aware that agreeing on a subject constituted dinner

Enough about Clarkson, Blakey is your best player, he makes your team. Quickest PG and sickest handle in the conference. No doubt Etown wins tomorrow and covers.

I have been waiting for some love for your boy for awhile now.  Long over due.

For the love of god.....where to begin with some of you clowns. I love the people here who say E-town can hang with, let alone win against, Widener. For starters, Clarkson isnt a 5th year senior. He got hurt, but didnt redshirt his soph year. He also didnt transfer in, he is a legit senior and came there his freshman year. I use to play on the team. Second, name anyone in the league, let alone on Etown who can stop him????????????????? Watching their games it really isnt fair when he plays. If you want a line to make for the game, do over/under Clarkson's dunks at 10 (-950). :) But in all honesty, the kid cant be stopped. Have a good ones pimps and hoes,

K

I'm glad you retyped my post from earlier clarifying Clarksons situation.  Thank you for the restatement.  There might not be any single person that can stop Clarkson, but last I checked there are 5 guys on the court and Etown has always played TEAM defense.  And I didnt see the game, but from the looks of the boxscore, it looks like Albright did a pretty good job.  It has always been about the team at Etown and that is why they have been successful.  He's a hell of a player and if Clarkson got to play one-on-one against any Blue Jay to decide who gets the win tonight, I would probably pick Widener to win.  But since each team trots 5 guys out on the court before they toss it up.....Etown by 5 homie.  Oh yea, and I'm pretty sure there are no pimps or hoes up in here dawg.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 25, 2006, 11:38:37 am



But in all honesty, the kid cant be stopped. Have a good ones pimps and hoes,

K
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 Oh yea, and I'm pretty sure there are no pimps or hoes up in here dawg.
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1. speak for yourself.


Etown is not a playoff team.  Blakely is a slightly above D3 point guard (Randy Arnold is twenty times better than him)

Is there one starter on Etown that would start for Widener?  I don't think so....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on January 25, 2006, 12:29:07 pm
in response to the albright beating widener points: cant really say anything besides widener wasnt ready for the game mentally. everyone on widener played bad, not only clarkson. however, im sure ill have much more to say after the game tonight. in reponse to the comments about it being a 5 on 5 game: obviously, and in all honesty, not one player on etown can guard one of wideners, match up for match up. there too athletic. now granted, if they double team him or some sort of match up like albright did and the other players have bad games, they most likely lose. but i dont see etown doing that. hopefully i dont eat all of these comments come tonight. later PIMPS AND HOES.................
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 25, 2006, 12:37:28 pm

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 Oh yea, and I'm pretty sure there are no pimps or hoes up in here dawg.
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1. speak for yourself.


Etown is not a playoff team.  Blakely is a slightly above D3 point guard (Randy Arnold is twenty times better than him)

Is there one starter on Etown that would start for Widener?  I don't think so....

I stand corrected.  The Mid-Atlantic Region MAC Commonwealth League Board is now pimps and hoes central.  We should just rename the board to that.

Who do you have sliding into that 4th playoff spot sleepy?  I only saw Randy Arnold once last year very early in the season.  I'm sure he has progressed light years if you are claiming him to be that good.  His scoring alone distances him from Blakey though.

Your argument about players from Etown starting for Widener has no correlation at all to who wins and loses the ballgame so I'm not really sure where that came from....but here goes...  I would say a lot depends on the coach and the system.  One thing is definite.  Clarkson would start over anybody.  I would take Greg Adams over Blakey.  Ron Michael is not a very good overall player.  Athletic?  Extremely, but I would definitley take Brian Schrieber over him or Terry Smith and with the year Brad Schrieber is having possibly him too.  Schatzmann, Piersol, and Brizek are all solid players too.  Would any of them start over Ford or Thomas?  Who knows.  Maybe, maybe not.

But again, that has little bearing on either team winning the ballgame tonight.

ThereHeGo:
Etown hasnt had a player for the last 4 years that could guard any Widener player one-on-one.  The matchups have always been bad.  But again, I would point you to Etowns 9-4 record against Widener the past 4 years.  Its not hard to figure out that the better TEAM beats better individuals.

HOLLA AT A PIMP!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: DA Real Head Coach on January 25, 2006, 12:59:30 pm
I WILL BET MY LIFE THAT MY TEAM, WIDENER PIONEERS WILL BEAT E TOWN AND BEAT THEM BAD
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 01:09:15 pm
Widener trustees must LOVE reading this board.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 25, 2006, 01:26:14 pm
DA Real,

I'm a pretty new user, but I think your supposed to put the words between the two to get it to show up in bold.  Good try though.  For your sake, hopefully you didnt call that bet in.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 25, 2006, 02:58:35 pm
I knew the public school system in Chester was bad, but apparently that college they stuck in the middle of that town isn't much better. The true academic standards of Widener University are shining through on this message board.

As for the Blakey/Arnold argument, I don't really think it is fair to compare the two. Even though they are both PG's, it is like comparing apples and oranges. Their comparison dates back to each of their high school days in the Suburban One League. Blakey (Abington HS) has always had great players around him and has not been asked to score much since the time he started at Abington as a 9th grader. He has had guys like Dave Brooks (1,000 point scorer at Abington and at Niagara University) and Kevin Oleksiak (2nd leading scorer in Abington's history as well as the starting SF at UNC-Greensboro). At Widener he has had guys like Clarkson, Schaeffer, Stitzle, and Ford to fill up the basket. His job is to get the ball in those guys hands in good situations to score.  As for Arnold, he has never really had good players around him. At CB West he was asked to bring the ball up, make something happen, and score. So far in his career at Scranton he has had to do the same thing. Blakey is the better PG, he would give Arnold fits with his defense too.

Anyway, tonight should be interesting. Somebody indeed will be having a nice meal of crow which seems like a staple menu item at the Windener cafeteria.

Holla at a playa when you see em in the street....pimps and hoes
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on January 25, 2006, 03:03:17 pm
to all comments regarding the school and surrounding area, i cant really argue. the area blows, the school academically is just as good as any other in this league (they basically were my choices for school), but in general im not a fan of it.

bball wise.........widener wins this league this year. ill make that statement now whether they lose or win tonight.

K
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 25, 2006, 03:28:28 pm

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Your argument about players from Etown starting for Widener has no correlation at all to who wins and loses the ballgame so I'm not really sure where that came from....
But again, that has little bearing on either team winning the ballgame tonight.



Talent does have something to do with it...............More than you think.



 As a student at Widener i think it is safe to say that our academic standards are higher than most of the others in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: DA Real Head Coach on January 25, 2006, 06:51:13 pm
First of all, im the real head coach of Widener not Duda so I support my team to the fullest.  We will beat  ETown tonite.  Blakey has not been needed to score much at Widener however he could if he needed to, no point guard in the MAC can match his speed and handling ability.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on January 25, 2006, 08:50:21 pm
Ill be the first to admit i was wrong here, so ill take my crow extra crispy with some salt sprinkled on top. Widener 80-Etown 82, very good game. Till next time



pimps and hoes

K
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2006, 09:35:02 pm
There's going to be a lot of Widener trash talkers eating crow.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: College Ball Fan on January 25, 2006, 09:53:21 pm
Eariler i bet my life widener will win, so this only means im in heaven right now, typing on the board.  i see clearly now that Widener defense sucks, they cannot guard the perimeter.  they are so fast you would think that they can guard their man coming off a pick however they are the laziest team in the MAC, therefore teams will kill them from the 3 point line. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 25, 2006, 09:57:43 pm
D A Real Head?????
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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 25, 2006, 10:07:00 pm
I WILL BET MY LIFE THAT MY TEAM, WIDENER PIONEERS WILL BEAT E TOWN AND BEAT THEM BAD

in response to the albright beating widener points: cant really say anything besides widener wasnt ready for the game mentally. everyone on widener played bad, not only clarkson. however, im sure ill have much more to say after the game tonight. in reponse to the comments about it being a 5 on 5 game: obviously, and in all honesty, not one player on etown can guard one of wideners, match up for match up. there too athletic. now granted, if they double team him or some sort of match up like albright did and the other players have bad games, they most likely lose. but i dont see etown doing that. hopefully i dont eat all of these comments come tonight. later PIMPS AND HOES.................

YEEEEEAAAAAA!!!!  EAT THAT CROW HOMIES!!!!  R.I.P. DA Fake Coach.  I told you.  Its the same every year!  And the over/under on Clarksons dunks????  Yea he didnt even get close if you add the one Ron had.  EAT IT!!  I love it.  Sure Clarkson got his, but like I said, when it comes to 5-on-5, I'll stick my money on Etown in this matchup more often than not.  You kids let me know how crow tastes.  I never had it before.  Yo Fin, get at em!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 25, 2006, 10:12:30 pm
Now that I have rubbed it in, I would like to congradulate Etown on the win.  That is definitely a huge win in the conference after the very questionable loss to SusQ.  I told you Brian Schrieber was a player.  Not to give credit to one guy, cuz like I said...its always a team effort with Etown.  I'd say my line on the game looked pretty good after all.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 25, 2006, 10:29:34 pm
I'm not going to say I told you so because I knew it all along. It is always the same story with those two teams. In my opinion you can chalk this one up to two things:

 1. Widener's weak non-conference schedule

There is something to be said about being in close games and players being able to respond to tight situations. Widener's average margin of victory is about 13 points a game which can be directly linked with the bad teams they played before the conference season opened up. They have not been in many tight situations this year and they showed it by floundering a 6 point lead with 4 minutes to go.

2. Poor Coaching

As a coach you have to be able to help your team hold onto a 6 point lead. Widener is always the most talented team in the conference and the last few years they have not got the job done. A coach needs to be able to get the most out the talent he has (i.e. Coach Schlosser). Duda does not seem to be able to do that. You said it Widener fans and us Etown fans agreed you have the most talented team, but we have the best coached. Close games come down to clutch players (Brian Schreiber, 60% from the field, 95% from the line, 7 points in the final four minutes tonight) and coaching. Is it time for a chaning of the guard in Chester?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 26, 2006, 08:51:56 am
Can somebody explain to me what this karma thing is and how you get it and lose it?  Was this the solution to exiling the "one-star bandits"?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 26, 2006, 08:56:35 am
With Juniata losing last night to LVC, ETown is still in the thick of things for a playoff spot.  The Widener loss knots things up for the top spot as there are three teams at 5-2   As we head into the second half of conference play, it could be pretty interesting.

Next up for Messiah is LVC at Grantham.  Messiah should be able to win this one, but I wouldn't take LVC for granted...

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 26, 2006, 09:08:33 am
Hoopsdafin203 -

Were you at Etown?

I am not going to say much becasue i was taking in a D1 game rather than travelling to Etown.  What I will say is that Etown is ALWAYS a tough place to play and that the birds always tend to come on strong after the break.  I was not surprised by the outcome.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 26, 2006, 11:44:24 am
Hoopsdafin203 -

Were you at Etown?

I am not going to say much becasue i was taking in a D1 game rather than travelling to Etown.  What I will say is that Etown is ALWAYS a tough place to play and that the birds always tend to come on strong after the break.  I was not surprised by the outcome.

C

I had it wrong when I did the lines for the week.  The game was actually in Chester.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 26, 2006, 12:03:28 pm
Coach C,

Rollingthunda is right, the game was at Widener and unfortunately I was not in attendance. However, I did hear that it was almost like a home game as Etown fans about doubled Widener fans in number. It was the Jays first conference road win of the season, something the team is surely glad to have off their back. They have been playing well since winter break with the exception of the SusqU game and all indications point to all out war on Saturday at Thompson Gymnasium between Etown and Albright. Hopefully, the loss to SusqU dpes not come back to haunt the Blue Jays, however a win on Saturday would pretty much exorcise that loss.

On a lighter note....Where are all the Widener fans?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 26, 2006, 12:26:03 pm
hoopsdafin203 -

Ok - I should have checked the info.  But you have NO business talking about poor coaching and not being able to hold a 6 point lead.  You were not there to evaluate what Coach Duda did or didn't do.

It's a wide open race in the Commonwealth.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on January 26, 2006, 12:52:12 pm
the widener fans are here......i just dont have much to say. i went to the game, i was one of nine students there. bigggg crowd we get, which is kinda pathetic. i still think widener will be ok come playoff time. and whoever mentioned the schedule and it being weak, i agree. but i still think they can get it done. coaching wise, you cant blame duda. no matter what you implement or say during a game, if a player or team isnt prepared and loses mentally that isnt his fault. anyway, the crow was good, kinda burnt.....but overall good meal.

late pimps and hoessss

K
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 26, 2006, 12:59:22 pm
C,

I got the impression he was speaking of the coaching job related more to the accomplishments (or lack thereof) of Widener with all of the talent they have had over the last few years as opposed to one game.

thereiis,

In most cases, if a team is not prepared I would put that partly on the coaches shoulders.  Part of being a coach is having your kids ready to play a ball game.  There is definitely responsibility on the playes parts to be prepared for a game too, but I am of the opinion that some of that does fall back on the coach.  Glad to hear you enjoyed your meal.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 26, 2006, 02:09:20 pm
rt -

He said "as a coach you have to be able to help your team hold onto a 6 point lead."

That is the part that I was taking umbrage with.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on January 26, 2006, 04:01:15 pm
rollingthunda,

i totally agree. but being an ex-player, trust me, coach duda gets his players ready to play. the man eats sleeps and lives bball and we always knew what we needed to know for the game at hand. experience, or lack there of, whos ever fault that is, was the reason they lost. you can make the argument that their defense sucks, but with a 6 point lead with 230 left, or whatever it was, composure and solid mental decisions would win that game.
K
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 26, 2006, 07:00:26 pm
Widener, Albright, and Messiah are the only 3 teams that can go to the tourney.  Period.  All of the other fans are wasting your time.....The game last night did not count against Etown.  Widener filed a formal protest today.  Apparently, Etown adjusted Widener's second half rims.


Also, I was at the game.....There were more than 40 students at the game.  If they wopuld get rid of the metal detectors at the door, I tihnk we would get a bigger crowd....

No one in the league beats us game on the line down the stretch big spot unless the refs screw us....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 26, 2006, 07:54:28 pm
[quote author=Coach C link=topic=607.msg468157#msg468157 date=1138296363\

Ok - I should have checked the info.  But you have NO business talking about poor coaching and not being able to hold a 6 point lead.  You were not there to evaluate what Coach Duda did or didn't do.


Coach C,

Maybe I don't have the right to say what I said since I was not there. However, I would put some of the blame on any coach (including Coach Schlosser) for a team giving up a 6 point lead with 2:30 to go. That is part of the coach's fault isn't it? Rollingthunda is right also, my other point was that they always have the most talent and continue to flounder. I know they won back to back titles in '00 and '01, but they have not made a lot of noise since then. I was not personally attacking Coach Duda I was just pointing out the fact that a coach plays an important role in game and clock management especially down the stretch.

As for sleepercell.....can you start typing your post in modern English maybe even with some punctuation so that the rest of us can read what the heck you're trying to say?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 26, 2006, 10:43:16 pm
Where was the game played?
How does E-town adjust the rim at an away game?
Sounds like sour grapes.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: WhatNow on January 26, 2006, 10:58:11 pm
I was looking at Widener's stats over Duda's tenure, it seems that his best years were when he had the guys that the coach Rowe recruited.  Granted, Widener does and always had a lot of talent at their school, it just seems that Rowe knew how to have the players achieve what they were capable of doing, unlike Duda.  Maybe a new coach would be the best answer for their school?  Or maybe just a tougher schedule?  I mean look at who they played during the non-conference games.  No offense to those schools, but two of the schools have only had guys in their school for like a year or two in Chestnut Hill and Immaculata.  How will that get the team better?   He is not challenging his team enough.  That needs to change.  But, I doubt that will happen because from what I hear, he is the A.D. so he is the boss.  But looking at the rest of their schedule, if Widener does not win at least 2 of their next 3 games, then they will not make it to the MAC playoffs.  So depending on those games, my picks for the playoffs would be Albright, Messiah, Etown, and either Widener, Juniata, or Leb Val.          
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 26, 2006, 11:12:53 pm
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If they wopuld get rid of the metal detectors at the door, I tihnk we would get a bigger crowd....

Say what?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 27, 2006, 08:58:46 am
sleeprcell -

Metal detectors?  When did these go in?  What are you talking about with the rims?  Who filed a protest with whom?  How exactly did the refs screw Widener?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 27, 2006, 09:07:46 am
Hoopsdafin203 -

2:30 is a LONG time.  Heck, I once saw a kid socre 7 points in 18 seconds.  I wasn't there either, so I can't say, but usually blowing lead has a lot more to do with playon the floor than coaching.  not always, but usually.

What now -

Duda had a majority of his own players on his early teams.  if you look at who contributed, he brought in some studs his first year, both freshmen and transfers.  yeah, there were some holdovers, but I would not say that they were the reason Duda had success out of the gate.

The guy has put up some monster numbers in his tenure there.  He can certainly recruit and he wins a ton of games.

Yeah you can fault the schedule that they play out of conference some, but Duda is not alone in the region in his scheduling philosophy.

Duda is the AD, but coaches at Widener are held to a pretty high standard.  He's a winner though and my guess is he is just fine. 

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 27, 2006, 10:32:04 pm
Last minute lines for the weekend

Albright at Etown...Albrights frontcout could cause Etown problems....Albright -7
SusQ @ Widener...Widener at home off a loss???....Widener -19
LVC @ Messiah...LVC cant pull off the back-to-back upsets...Messiah -15
Juniata @ Moravian...fighting for the last playoff spot and coming off a loss...Juniata -11

In other new...I will be in the house on Saturday for the Etown game.  I had to go with an honest line, but I hope I turn out to be wrong.  I see the physical frontcourt giving Etown a little trouble.  Albirght has caused some serious trouble the last couple of years.  Lets go Jays!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on January 28, 2006, 07:31:00 pm
Etown by 3 over Albright at Thompson Gym today. Jays held a 10 point lead with 4:41 to go and Albright cut it to 1. Etown managed to hold on with a pair of Mike Schatzman free throws with 5 seconds left. Trevor Deeter appeared very hampered by a herniated disk and could only play in 3-4 minute spurts at the most. That could prove fatal for Albright as conference play rolls on. Etown looks very good again.

I can't blame rollingthunda for his line on the SusqU/Widener game, but SusqU looks like they could be a force to be reckon with the rest of this season. What has happened to Widener? How do you lose to SusqU at home? Att: Dave Duda you need to win some games to even get into the playoffs at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 28, 2006, 10:15:15 pm
Messiah 75  -  LVC 59

LVC jumped put to an early lead with very effective outside shooting.  Messiah had trouble getting into a rythm offensively early in the game.  LVC lead for most of the first half, with Messiah taking the lead toward the end of the half.

From the start of the second half, Messiah was shooting much better.  In the second half it was LVC that struggled on offense.  Messiah never trailed in the second half. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 30, 2006, 11:35:21 am
Wow.... I am transferring next fall.... This is a joke... We have 7 guys 6-6 and up who happen to be athletes...Can we beat Susquehanna? 

I can add a few more reasons why I owuldn't join the staff....How about Clarkson giving up 30 to the SU center?  Unreal.

I think Messiah is the best team in the league....I am picking them.....

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 30, 2006, 12:58:02 pm
Interesting weekend on this side of the MAC.  Etown looked very solid against Albirght on Saturday and proved my Albirght -7 line wrong.  Good win fellas!!!  After all the smack the Widener fans were talking and then watching Etown this weekend, Etown is a very underated team.  Their top 8 are all solid players and Coach Schlosser has them playing there best ball when it matters most.  This was a big week for Etown as they knock off both Widener and Albright who both go 0-2 for the week.  Deeter (and the rest of the Albrights front court) were non-factors much to my surprise.  If he infact does have a health problem, Albright might not even get the chance to defend their crown this year.  And on top of that, Juniata falls a game behind, losing to previosly winless (in the conference) Moravian.  Any explanation for the Widener debacle or the Juniata game?

Very gutsy pick on Messiah sleeper.  They are clearly a cut above the rest of the league at the moment due to the simple fact that they are winning the games against the lesser half of the conference.  Its still anybodys conference to win, but Messiah is definitely in the drivers seat.  Will SusQ be a factor down the stretch or are they bluffing?  I have the top four shaking out as they stand now, although not in the same order.  Juniata once again will play the 5th man and be on the outside looking in, while the bottom 3 are all pretenders.


MESSIAH....................   6-2   
WIDENER...................   5-3   
ELIZABETHTOWN.......   5-3   
ALBRIGHT..................   5-3   
JUNIATA.....................   4-4 
LEBANON VALLEY.......   3-5 
SUSQUEHANNA..........   3-5   
MORAVIAN.................   1-7   
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2006, 01:38:36 am
Wow.... I am transferring next fall.... This is a joke... We have 7 guys 6-6 and up who happen to be athletes...Can we beat Susquehanna? 

Transferring from Susquehanna?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 31, 2006, 09:43:40 am
Huh?  he's not a Widener guy?

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 31, 2006, 09:56:10 am
I thought he was refering to transfering from Widener, because they couldn't beat Susquehanna at home...   His posts are a little hard to understand at times.


Messiah has Juniata at Grantham tonight.  This is an important game for the falcons as it is one of two remaining home games.  I don't see them runninng the tables in the remaining road games, so it is important to take care of business at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 31, 2006, 10:16:31 am
[sleeprcell's] posts are a little hard to understand at times.

A "little hard"?

So I was trying kind  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 31, 2006, 10:18:27 am
That should read I was trying to be kind.  Is it possible to edit a post? 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 31, 2006, 10:28:08 am
Hmm...  I don't see a "modify"   
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on January 31, 2006, 11:22:35 am
 :o  Widener graduate....  Hope we can get this thing going in the right direction....and some fans at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 31, 2006, 12:27:40 pm
I have been looking for a modify or edit button for awhile now too and still have yet to find either one.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 31, 2006, 12:48:10 pm
Lines for the mid-week games:

Juniata @ Messiah...the pep band is too much for the Eagles on the road...Messiah -4
SusQ @ Etown....Etown avenges earlier loss...Etown -14
Moravian @ Albright...Albright -9
Widener @ LVC....Pioneers too talented to have as dogs in this game despite playing crappy ball lately...Widener -8, but your guess is good as mine


In other news...congrats to Brian Schrieber for making the MASCAC weekly honor roll.  He is playing big time ball in big time games averaging 18 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 2.5 apg in the Jays two wins last week.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2006, 02:00:48 pm
We don't give out the modify and edit buttons to new posters. We've had some issues with rookie posters cutting and running.

I think you get those privileges around 50 posts.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 31, 2006, 02:10:28 pm
No problem, I just hate adding another post to a thread just to sa "that shoudl have said..."
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 31, 2006, 03:23:32 pm
Oy my head!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on January 31, 2006, 03:28:43 pm
Have you ever noticed that Oy, is just Yo backwards?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on January 31, 2006, 09:56:07 pm
Juniata 55   -  Messiah 52

Tough physical game, with lots of defense.   It was a tight game the entire time, and I can see why these teams went to double overtime in the last meeting.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 01, 2006, 12:29:25 am
Sounds like a great game tonight in Grantham. Did Juniata slow it down? It was a pretty low scoring game. A four way tie atop the standings is now possible. All the different tie breakers could come into effect by the end of the regular season. It is going to be very interesting to see how this shakes out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 01, 2006, 07:45:52 am
Both teams were putting on a lot of pressure defensively, and it seemed neither team could get into much of an offensive rythm.  It seemed to me that these two teams match up pretty well to each other and any game they played would end up close.

Shooting percentages were 37.8 for Juniata and 35.1 for Messiah, so you can see why the game was low scoring.  Messiah had the edge in rebounds, and Juniata shot much better behind the arc.  Most of the stats, however were very even.

This definately keeps the conference interesting.  Juniata is still very much in the playoff hunt, and Messiah now is forced to come up with some tough road wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 01, 2006, 12:17:57 pm
Same ol' typical year in the MAC Commonwealth.  Etown needs to not play down to their competition tonight.  They have been playing some good ball lately and with a win could find themselves perched atop (with some company) the conference standings.  I'd like a show of hands who thought that was possible before the season started, and I dont think you will find any hands in the air except the hands of the guys suiting up in the home lockerroom of Thompson Gym tonight.  Get 'er done fellas!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 02, 2006, 07:49:57 am
what gives this year in the commonwealth? I think I'm pulling my name out of the hat as far as predicting games goes. The first seed in the playoffs could end up with four and possibly five losses! Everybody is beating everybody up this year and there is clearly no favorite to run away with the first seed or the conference title for that matter. As a matter of fact it is going to be very intersting to see who even gets in the conference tournament.  My head hurts just trying to think about it. All I can say is, Lets go Jays!

PS. Great performance by the Adams Family last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on February 02, 2006, 09:14:27 am
A wins a wins A win...Back on track despite what some might say a poor performance...

Even with the unpredictability, Juniata has so many veterans I have to think they are the playoff team in the 4 spot.  Veteran teams just get big wins....

We all know in the end Widener is in, despite the rally cries for albright Etown....Add Messiah in there and one of these 3 are going to be denied. Junaita vs. Widener championship.  I'll take the pioneers.  Best bet is that the fastest horse wins the race.

Clarkson for pres.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 02, 2006, 11:11:58 am
Stunned yet again by the result of last nights game at Etown.  What happened?  From the looks of the box score the Jays tired in the second half, shooting only 26% after halftime.  The Jays struggled shooting the ball in the last meeting too.  Is SusQ doing something special against the flex or just chalk it up to bad shooting nights?  Whatever the case may be, SusQ now has 3 very good wins in the last couple of weeks.  They are running 10 guys in double-figure minutes too, so they must be pretty deep.  The way the seaon is going it looks like its gonna be 6 teams for the 4 playoff spots if SusQ keeps putting numbers in the W column.

Etown needs to get back on track this weekend against LVC to gain a little momentum for the mid-week trip to the sticks next week.

Whats the story with the Adams Family, Finmate?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 02, 2006, 04:29:32 pm
A T from Coach Duda is unusual.  He is often outspoken, but I can say that i have not seen him earn many Ts.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 04, 2006, 08:27:53 am
Hard to say.  Most coaches will create a T for themselves to motivate the team.  If that was the case, sounds like Coach Duda needed somethign else!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 04, 2006, 01:29:03 pm
Weekend lines....

Etown @ LVC  +9
Morav @ SusQ -5
Widen @ Jun    -2
Mess   @ Alb   -4

Go Jays!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on February 06, 2006, 02:34:56 pm
Seeding for playoffs....


#1 Widener-  back on the bandwagon.... No one can beat us when it matters
# 2 Messiah- If it wasn't for Karl Malone, I mean Clarkson, they would win
#3 Albright-  Toughness and shooting.
#4 Elizabethtown- easy win in the 1st round for the pioneers.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on February 07, 2006, 11:45:01 am
Any differing opinions?  The  posts have gone nowhere...or have all the Widener haters decided what is best?

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: alert on February 07, 2006, 11:53:48 am
Im going with

1. Messiah
2. Widener
3. Albright
4. Juniata

Juniata vs Widener final - taking Juniata winning the MAC doing its imitation of the steelers in the playoffs this year.

I was at the Widener at Juniata game on saturday, if a couple things go differently at the end of regulation Juniata wins that game.  Widener had trouble getting Clarkson the ball all game long with that match up zone, they really put the shackles on him.  I think he finished with like 14 and 6 of those were in OT and 4 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 08, 2006, 12:36:45 pm
Like this is even possible anymore....

Etown @ Juniata -4
LVC @ Moravian  +6
Albright @ Widener -2
Messiah @ SusQ +7

Should be a weekend of close games.  The way things are going, LVC still has a shot at getting into the playoffs.  If they win tonight they will be tied for 5th place with either Etown or Juniata depending on how that game goes.  The whole conference has been inconsistent this year.  You never know what team is gonna show up on what night.

My Jays have to be road dogs tonight.  After beating Widener and Albright in the same week, they followed it up with an 0-2 week against SusQ and LVC.  Which Jays are gonna show up tonight?  One things for sure....we are definitley gonna find out whos a contender and whos a pretender for the next two weeks.  Anybody that wants their ticket punched for the Conference Playoffs needs to man up and come to play every night.

I wouldnt tag anybody as the Confernce Champ yet.  As has been seen, any teams that make the playoffs will be more than capable of all beating each other.  If I had to pick now I would go with:

1. Messiah
2. Albright
3. Widener
4. Etown
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Vegasdic on February 08, 2006, 10:35:22 pm
Widener 67    Albright 54

MAC Comm is just about wrapped up
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 09, 2006, 09:51:52 am
Wednesdays results:

Etown 77 Juniata 66
Moravian 81 LVC 61
Widener 67 Albright 54
Messiah 64 SusQ 54

Etown back in the W column.  I'm gonna keep pickin them as underdogs as long as they keep winning.  The Jays got a big game out of Brad Schrieber with 19 points, 8 boards, and 3 steals.  LVC probably ended their outside shot of making the playoffs with a loss to Moravian.  SusQ and Juniata fell a game back for the last playoff spot.  Widener and Messiah sit atop the conference at 8-3 while Albright and are tied for 3rd at 6-5.

Widener 67 Albright 54

MAC Comm is just about wrapped up

I have to disagree if you are implying that Widener has the top seed locked up.  They still have to go to Etown this week (and we all know that Etown is more than capable of winning that game) and they finish the season at home against Messiah next weekend.  That could end up in two losses for the Pioneers.  In fact, it is possible that Widener, Messiah, Etown, and Albright could all end up the conference season with 9-5 records.  I'd love to be the tie-breaking commitee on that one.  I would also have to disagree that the top 4 teams are a lock for the playoffs.  SusQ and Juniata are tied one game out of the playoffs right now, and we all know that nothing is certain in this league.  SusQ and Juniata could both jump over Etown and Albright during the last 3 games.

Fin,
Where have you gone?  Don't be a fair-weather poster.  Actually, this room as a whole has crapped out.  I was enjoying this place two weeks ago when people were actually active on here.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on February 09, 2006, 09:59:51 am

Fin,
Where have you gone?  Don't be a fair-weather poster.  Actually, this room as a whole has crapped out.  I was enjoying this place two weeks ago when people were actually active on here.
Quote


I miss the big guy too.....The room has goner down a little bit...Widener Messiah in.....
Etown and Albright big weekend coming up for those guys to hold on........






Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 09, 2006, 12:25:01 pm
Sorry for the hiatus. Anyway, the Jays got a huge win last night at Juniata which is always tough for any team in the conference due to the long ride. However, I would not say that the conference is locked up by any stretch. The game on Saturday should be another dandy. Which Widener team will show up? Which Etown team will show up? It should be very interesting. I'm predicting an ETown win in OT. As for the playoffs, I agree with you rollinDiesel on the order of finish. Widener definitely does not want to see Etown in the playoffs!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 09, 2006, 03:28:41 pm
Is it true that Moravian, Susquehanna and Juniata are leaving the Commonwealth?  And Drew leaving the Freedom?  Word has it that Shenandoah, Alvernia and Arcadia are three candidates to join, and Misericordia, Keystone and Marywood were rejected.  If this happens which of the new schools will join which sides of the MAC?  Would there be more additions since one side would be a team short if only those 3 new schools joined?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on February 09, 2006, 09:53:02 pm
Gun to head who is winning the mac:

Widener or Messiah

Gun to head which two teams are not making the playoffs:

Albright
Etown
Juniata
Sus

All 1st team nominations....
Clarkson, Blakely, Ford, Michael and who else?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 10, 2006, 11:02:24 am
Messiah

SusQ and Juniata end up on the outside looking in (personally I hope the whole league ends up at 9-5)

I would have only one guard on my first team.
All First Team:
Clarkson - no brainer
Yoder/Wiernicki (tough call there, about equal on the stat sheet) maybe both
Deeter - averages double double
Brian Schrieber - 13 and 5 a game 6th in field goal% and 1st in 3pt field goal% - maybe wouldnt make it over the other Messiah player
Adams
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: sleeprcell on February 10, 2006, 02:10:43 pm
Brian who?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 10, 2006, 02:33:58 pm
Quote
Yoder/Wiernicki (tough call there, about equal on the stat sheet) maybe both

Looking at stats the tie breaker could go to Wiernicki with 55 steals for the season (crazy stat for a big man).

Having seen them play a number of times this year, Yoder is the more consistant.  He plays very close to his average every game.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 10, 2006, 03:54:44 pm
Ron who?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 10, 2006, 04:41:20 pm
Saturday lines:

SusQ @ Albright -12
Widener @ Etown -3
Moravian @ Messiah -9
Juniata @ LVC +8

Should be an interesting weekend.  SusQ and Juniatas' games are as close to must win as you get.  The always talent vs. team matchup in Thompson.  This could be the weekend Messiah takes over the top spot in the conference.  Which teams will show up this weekend?  Hopefully the weather doesn't cause any cancellations.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 10, 2006, 04:54:20 pm
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Hopefully the weather doesn't cause any cancellations.

The Messiah/Moravian games were moved up to afternoon games in hopes of avoiding the worst of the weather.  The women are to play at 1:00 with the men following at 3:00
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 10, 2006, 10:49:36 pm
sleepercell: Know how to spell your teams names. It's spelled Blakey not Blakely. And the Brian you were asking about it is the one who scored 7 points in the last 2 minutes to seal the deal the last time Etown and Widener met. Just to clear that up.

Speaking of the Etown/Widener game, the start time got moved up incase of inclement weather. Women at 12, Men at 2. Can't wait to see Duda whine alllllll day tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 11, 2006, 10:36:02 am
People who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.
Learn grammar.
Everyone understand to whom sleepercell was referring.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 11, 2006, 10:58:07 am
Oh. my Bad for referring to they're playe'rs names. And Your the expert I sea. Thanks for you're enput; i really appreciate you're opinion. Atleast spell names right.....c'mon
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 11, 2006, 06:04:37 pm
People who have glass jaws should watch their mouths.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 11, 2006, 06:46:22 pm
Well its been awhile since I posted, so after Wideners beating on Etown today, I figured Id write up to say that I hope all of your crow is well cooked. lol. Interesting how each respective team lost at home. Any thoughts on Widener getting an at large bid with 20+ wins? Assuming they get there, which is probable, and or dont win the league, which is unlikely the way they are playing. On a different note, Clarkson got his 1000 pt. and I heard Thomas literally jumped over someone during the game and banged on him. Ouch. He did it to some poor kid on Albright too but I heard this was worse. Im sure Ill be back soon....

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 11, 2006, 07:02:20 pm
It's all true thereis. That was one of the best dunks I've ever seen in a D3 game considering the fact I've seen maybe 10 dunks total in four years. Clarkson is a good D3 player and he deserves 1000 points, but after watching him today it is evident that he is playing at the right level. A lot of his points come off of steals and rebounds that he would simply not get at a higher level. Widener was very imprresive today and it is hard to imagine them losing to Etown at home and Susquehanna. If they play the way they did today in the 2nd half (defense in the passing lanes and pushing the ball) then they will be hard to beat. The only person that could screw that up is Duda. When he tried to control the tempo in the 1st half and run half court offenses they let Etown in the game. If he would loosen the reigns a little bit and let his kids play they would run teams out of the gym just about every night. With all that athleticsm it doesn't make sense to slow the game down. Malcom Thomas is a stud, he's the one that should be playing at a higher level. Also, Brandon Blakey did not attempt one field goal today in 35+ minutes but completely controlled the game on both ends, pretty impressive. I still think they are succeptible to a let down in the playoffs, but I could see them getting an at large bid especially with the expanded tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 11, 2006, 08:11:31 pm
Moravian was able to get the upset this afternoon in Grantham.      If my memory is working correctly, the score was 74 - 68 (I would rather forget that game  :-\)

Wiernicki was able to pass 1000 points in front of the home crowd.  Moravian shot much better from the foul line than Messiah, and Messiah did not have a particularly good night shooting from the field.  I did think Moravian looked better than their 3 - 9 conference record would indicate.

This puts Widener squarely in the drivers seat for top seed in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 11, 2006, 08:36:40 pm
hoopsdafin,

glad to see we're on the same page. i disagree with the Clarkson comment though. obviously this is just my opinion, but i honestly think he could play at the next level. just look at some of the starters on Philly D-1 or D-2 schools. St joes big men?? Philly U??? (atleast in the recent past, I dont know any of them now), Delaware??? this is a long shot, but even Nova big men? Clarkson, although a clueless wonder at times, is just as athletic as them and at times more skilled. Add 10-15 pounds of muscle and you have any of the above mentioned schools big guys. Of course this could be argued for ever, but who knows. Anyways, should be interesting to see what happens in the playoffs.

ps: i need to see video of this dunk
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 13, 2006, 10:37:21 am
After the weekend here the conference standings are as follows:

Widener 9-3
Messiah 8-4
Albright 7-5
Etown 6-6
SusQ, LVC, Juniata 5-7
Moravian 3-9

Playoff picture...

Widener and Messiah are both in, its just a matter of where they end up.  Albright needs to win one out of the last two and they are in.  If Albright would happen to lose both, there could be a three-way tie at 7-7 for the thrid and fourth spots.  I'm not even going to try and figure that one out.  They Jays finish up this week with two tough games.  They host Messiah on Wednesday and end the regular season @ Moravian who has proved to be no push-over lately.  SusQ and Albright both end the season with games against Juniata and LVC.  LVC is on the road for both games and SusQ has the benefit of not having to travel.  Last week should be a thriller as always to close up the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 14, 2006, 10:42:47 am
Mid-week games:

Juniata @ SusQ  -4
Widener @ Moravian  +15
Messiah @ Etown  +3
LVC @ Alibright  -12

Huge game for the Jays tonight at Thompson Gym.  They could really use a win to cement their hold on the final playoff spot.  They have been good at home this year and Messiah hasn't be overly impressive on the road, so the Jays got that working for them...which is nice.  Another big game in Susquehanna tonight as they host Juniata.  I would love to see both teams lose that one.  The winner of that game will move into a tie for 4th should Etown falter against the Falcons tonight.  I'll be rooting for LVC tonight as well.  Go Jays!!!

On an unrelated note...remember the days when the LVC fans flooded this board.  Warren, and Donald Horsewater, and Knightstalker, and diehard and the rest of the gang.  Amazing how the loss of a savior sends them all into obscurity.  I mean, now we don't even have the fans of the good teams talking on here.  I guess seeing all those Widener people have a nice meal of crow earlier this year scared all the trash talkers away.  And where have all the pimps and hoes been?  Since Etown won that game no one has been so quick to bash an opposing team before the game.  That being said...Etown is gonna beat the living pee out of Messiah tonight.  The Falcons should just save the trip, gas, and meal money and stay home and take the loss.  They don't have a prayer tonight.  God himself couldnt save them from the beating they are gonna take.  Your gonna think Noah was in the building cuz Etown is gonna be raining jumpers all over the place.  I hope they bring an ark for the ride home.  This ain't soccer Falcon Fans.  The Jays are gonna toss Messiah to the Lions Den.

Holla!!  Get 'em Jays!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 14, 2006, 01:13:48 pm
Strictly directed to rollingthunda,

Pimps and hoes is backkkkk....but in all truth, I never really left. Check the past few days, Ive posted a couple times. but anyway, back to your pathetic attempts at sh*t talking. Its funny how you bring up Widener, inadvertently in your comments, yet fail to mention how they beat the day light out of Etown at your place last game. Mention crow all you want, atleast none of our players actually had someone jump over them, have someones balls dangled in their mouth, then banged on. Oh yea, not once, but I think he did 3 times that game. And im sorry, where are you in the standings as of today???? Rightttttt. Good work in 4th place chief. I love it how ur taking Messiah like they suck. Keep it up, I prayyyyy we play you here or anywhere for that matter again in the playoffs. Prayyyy. And just to let you know, if you lose tonight and any of the 3 teams below you wins, your probably screwed.

PIMPS AND HOESSSSS
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 14, 2006, 02:15:57 pm
Correction regarding my previous comment:

....I love it how ur talking about Messiah like they suck....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 14, 2006, 03:20:52 pm
Etown= got pimps and hoes

Widener= don't got pimps and hoes
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 14, 2006, 04:23:50 pm
Thats the thing about Widener...they recruit the players to bang on other people and as you so eliquently put it, "dangle their balls in other peoples mouths", but then they come out and do it once a year.  Meanwhile, teams that have one or two guys that can actually pull a dunk off in a game are winning the conference.  Maybe this year is different.  Maybe not.  I was in the front row at Etown Clarkson's freshman year when he had I think it was 5 or 6 dunks that game and Widener blew Etown out of the gym.  Did it matter???  Check who standing on the ladder with the scissors in their hands after the conference championship game that year.  I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the baby-blue and yellow team.  So when they win a conference championship (or 3 in a row) come holler at me.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 14, 2006, 09:55:56 pm
Final from Etown tonight

Etown 83
Bible Thumpers 69

SusQ defeated Juniata.  So Juniata is out of the playoffs.  An Etown win or a SusQ loss on Saturday puts the Jays in the playoffs.  If SusQ wins and Etown would lose to Moravian on Saturday, what would be the tie-breaker.  SusQ swept Etown this year.  Both teams split with Widener.  SusQ was swept by Messiah and Albright, while Etown split with both of those teams.  I would imagine that head-to-head is the first tie-breaker and that would put SusQ in and leave Etown on the outside looking in.  That is all a moot point if the Jays take care of business at Moravian this weekend.  Good win fellas.  Now regroup and spank Moravian to have a little momentum going into the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 15, 2006, 11:14:43 am
rollingthunda:

What do you gain from insulting Don Hohenwaerter and Messiah?

Its all playful banter Warren.  Nothing personal.  In fact, I happen to think Messiah is a very good basketball team and has as good a chance as anyone at winning the conference.  I had a feeling the Jays were gonna bring their A game last night and they did and handled Messiah.

As for Don...I was not insulting him.  Forgive the mispelling on the last name.  Haven't seen it in awhile.  That was my point.  Just that all you guys have disappeared circa the exit of JDB.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 15, 2006, 11:31:18 am
Widener....another W. Officially winning the regular season.

Thunda, I really have nothing to respond to. All your points are correct. You just suggested myself and other posters were "afraid" to post because your team won a couple games. Which is entirely false. In regard to the Clarkson and freshman year comment, your right, it was their (mine - I no longer play however), freshman years. Now they all have matured. I mean I cant sit here and say they are going to win the conference, but if i was betting on it, especially with home court advantage (i believe) and the fact the school is now pulling in a lot more people (ask anyone who plays for albright what happened last game here), i think its pretty good odds for Widener. But we'll see, and I'll definitely be sure to "holler at you" playboy. lol
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 15, 2006, 12:36:00 pm
thereiis:

Having played for Duda I'd be curious to hear your take on him as a coach and a recruiter.

And my point was more about talking ish on here.  You guys were making Etown sound like a junior high team before that game.  I was just saying since then, the Widener posters have refined there postings to comments about Widener.

Times must have changed at Widener.  Are you saying they draw bigger crowds now?  Everytime I was there for an Etown game, I'm pretty sure Etown had more fans than Widener did.  The Pioneers will definitely be a tough team to beat given how well they have been playing and especially having home court through the playoffs.  However, given the recent history of the matchup vs. Etown, my guess is that Duda and the rest of the gang would probably like to see someone else walk into their gym come playoff time.  Your prayers may get answered in the first round though.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 15, 2006, 02:54:04 pm
rt -

Duda flat out recruits.  You can't fault him there.  And look at his records.  He wins lots of games.

What is your problem with the guy?

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 15, 2006, 03:26:50 pm
rt -

Duda flat out recruits. You can't fault him there. And look at his records. He wins lots of games.

What is your problem with the guy?

C


I don't have a problem with him.  If you look back on my posts, the only negative thing I have said about him is that in recent years he has underacheived with the level of talent that has been there.  Its quite obvious that he knows how to get very athletic players to commit to Widener.  I was just curious to hear what a former player thought.  From being around Etown, I knew Casey Stitzel and I know he was not happy at Widener during his time there.  My last post was out of curiosity to see what someone that had been involved in the program had to say.  I don't see how that correlates to me having a problem with him.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 15, 2006, 03:48:51 pm
Not so many years ago Coach K did in fact have a disgruntled player or two...one being from the Lehigh Valley who transferred to Vanderbilt. A few years later that player  stated that was the hardest decision he ever made...and the best.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 15, 2006, 04:13:08 pm
In a one on one game Casey Stitzel would complain about playing time

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 15, 2006, 04:49:05 pm
Wow, many opinions and statements since I last checked in. Where to begin....for starters, Widener will be playing Etown at Widener I was told, so to hoopsto and Rt, your more then welcome to come in the student section lol. Ill be on the floor hammered as hell, I wont mind a opposing fan there, I think it would make it interesting. Although i cant say that for my fellow fans, so its probably a bad idea.

Anyway, my opinions on widener bball. well for starters, based on Coachs C's comments, what connection do you have to Widener? It seems you have some form of biased opinions based on your responses. Just curious.

Coach Duda is one of the best coaches in the league. He knows the game and relates to his players well and obviously can recruit amazing athletes. The issue i had, and what i have with D-3 in general, is that they can recruit and bring in as many players as they want. As in d-2 or 1, they have a set amount of scholarships and thats it. Which of course isnt a d-3 schools fault, but the amount of players you say "come here, you'll play" to is. that being said, i was in a class of 11, followed by a class of a decent amount, and then again. i believe we were carring 22 people at one point. from a player who loves the game, a fairly decent highschool career (which of course can be argued) and being very competitive, I weighed it out as, if your going to keep recruiting a ton of players each year, why would i believe you as a coaching staff that I will "earn" time eventually when Joe Smoe next year, whos more athletic, can come in and take my spot. And for the record, i believe 7 of the kids in my class arent playing or left as of now. Playing 10-20 minutes my senior year and winning a championship (if possible) didnt seem the best situation for me. To others it was or is. I guess you can say loyalty was an issue. BUT.....Can u blame the coaches? There pretty much stuck a in spot where they have to win or be fired, and be loyal at the same time. So its tough. I have no hard feelings to Coach Dude or any bball coach at all.

Ways of recruiting is an entirely different issue, I remember hearing interesting stories of how coaches got players to come to a school. But i never looked into any of it, at any of the schools mentioned.  But i will say the majority of what was told to me and others was scripted and false.

Again, I love the program and definitely am their number one bball supporter, but if I had to rechoose a school, it wouldnt be here. Well i think thats enough for me, Im sure ill be back on.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 15, 2006, 06:22:29 pm
Warren,

I think you misunderstood thereis' last post. He was saying that a D-3 school cannot give athletic scholarships. Therefore a coach can tell as many kids as he wants that if they come to his school that they will play right away.  When a kid is told this he most likely feels good about the situation because many college coaches are like used car salesmen. Then when he commits to the school and goes for his first day in August he finds out that the coach has brought in him and 5 other guys at his position. This is commonly known as over-recruiting and it goes on at the D-3 level in all sports.

At D-2 and D-1 schools recruits know that there are a certain number of scholarships that the school can give. If a kid is offered one of those scholarships that is telling them they truly are wanted. There is no way of knowing this at teh D-3 level, everybody pays their own way. A walk-on at a D-1 or D-2 school knows that he has no chance to ever play (with exceptions in certain situations, see Kansas' Christian Moody) because there are guys on the team that the school is paying to be there.

Hopefully this clears it up, sorry to step on your toes thereis.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 15, 2006, 07:29:21 pm
thereiis -

Well, opinions are SUPPOSED to be biased.  That's why they are opinions.  And I have a Master's degree from Widener.  That being said, aside from the Stitzler comment, I think I have been very even-handed in my approach to Widener.


WT -

I think that hoopsdafin203 is right.  Thereis just typed something other than what he meant.

Contrary to popular MAC opinion, Widener doesn't have an athletic scholarship program.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 15, 2006, 08:16:28 pm
Ok I apologize for any confusion. All I am saying is that in D-3, its difficult for both player and coach because of the non ability to give scholarships and yet still receive above average players to compete., all while saying loyal to the player. (If you cant comprehend that broken down version please proceed to pound your head on your keyboard until some form of fluid comes out of your skull :) ) Widener does not give athletic scholarships. I didnt mean that, I didnt receive any nor did anyone else. That being said, I have certain theories on what goes on at all D-3 schools for certain athletes, but I will not get into them for several reasons A) Im not positive certain events took place and B) I am going on speculation from sources several years ago.

Coach C, I agree. It just seemed with the Stitz comment you might have played or coached there. My apologies.

There I Is

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 15, 2006, 08:55:22 pm
thereiis -

Well the NCAA did start a financial aid reporting system for SOME reason.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 15, 2006, 09:31:19 pm
Just to clear up any misguided notions that I have serious issue with Coach Duda or the Widener program...I do not.  My bias against Widener only stems from being an Etown fan and Widener always being amoungst the stiffest competition.  Like I said before, I was simply curious as to how a former player viewed Coach Duda, because I had my own opinions that were formed just from seeing him coach.  Hope that is cleared up.  And yes, I am an Etown alum.

thereiis:

I'm not sure that it is a lock yet that Etown will play at Widener in the first round.  I think there is a possibility that SusQ could sneak into that last spot if they beat LVC this weekend and Etown loses at Moravian depending on what the tie-breaker is.  Should Etown win this Saturday, I will most likely be in Chester on Wednesday for the playoff game, although unfortunately not wasted because I'll be coming from work.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 16, 2006, 03:00:36 pm
Pregame at work haha jk. Yea i think ur right, it isnt definite yet.

Coach C, going off of your name and the fact you mentioned you go to Widener grad school, where do you coach? And i wouldnt go to the NCAA with anything even if I had something concrete, not worth it to me at this point.

And again, I didnt type anything I didnt mean. I do think something goes on with D-3 schools and getting players to come there. Ill just leave it at that. I might have worded it in a way that was confusing.

There I Was
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 16, 2006, 08:49:10 pm
So I was checkin out the tie-breakers today, and there are a ton of possibilities how 2 through 4 could play out.  SusQ is only in if they win and Etown loses.  Messiah, Albright, and Etown could all finish as any of the 2, 3, and 4 seeds.  If Messiah and Albright both lose and Etown wins, all three teams would be tied and Etown owns both tie-breakers so they would move all the way to 2nd.  If Messiah loses and Albright and Etown both win, Messiah falls all the way to 4th.  It will be interesting to see how Saturday plays out.  Messiah could be in trouble with a loss at Widener this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 17, 2006, 08:12:13 am
Quote
Messiah could be in trouble with a loss at Widener this weekend.

Messiah needs to find a way to step up their game, or there playoff seeding will be moot.  They really have not played very well for the last two games, certainly not like a playoff team.  Hopefully they can pull it together to give Widener a battle tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 17, 2006, 09:25:52 am
thereiis -

The financial aid reporting system is not for individuals to make reports.  Each D3 member institution must submit a report of all financial aid awarded to the NCAA each year.  The report compares the basic fin aid awarded to thaty awarded to student athletes and looks for anything unusual.  105 of the schools were asked for clarification this year when there appeared to be anomolies.

As for where I coach, well right now I am coaching little league baseball.  When my son was born, I took a college basketball coaching hiatus.  I am still close to many regional coaches.

Enjoy the weekend!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on February 17, 2006, 10:59:23 am
Besides Coach, coaching little league is much more rewarding and fun.  I coached little league in High School and while I was in the Navy, I had a blast, I was working with the seven and eight year olds.  I will get back into it in a couple of years when my daughter is old enough for little league.  She already wants to play basketball, of course she went to her first NJCU game when she was only a month old and has been going since.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 17, 2006, 12:14:18 pm
knightstalker -

I have coached little league before for my brother.  It's very fulfilling, but I can't say it's the same!

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on February 17, 2006, 01:56:22 pm
Mostly it is fun and funny, like the time my short stop did a somersault as bent over watching the ball roll between his legs.  Priceless moment, I almost gave myself a hernia holding back my laughter, the first one to lose it was the kids mother.  Who happend to be the wife of my division officer.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 18, 2006, 11:41:47 am
Ok, although the family talk and the remembering the old days is cute and all, lets get back to bball here people.

Widener hosts Messiah, senior day, saturday afternoon, Ill be hammered, we'll all be hammered, Widener wins by 15.

There I Am
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: WhatNow on February 18, 2006, 05:16:13 pm
was at the Widener-Messiah game today.  Messiah won by 2.  The sad part was although it was at Widener, I think Messiah had more fans in the place.  Good game
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 19, 2006, 11:30:30 am
yea you guys definitely did. it sucks, but the playoffs should be better attendance wise. tough lose, but i think going into playoffs pissed is the best thing for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 19, 2006, 03:34:13 pm
Etown lost yesterday, but got some help from SusQ who also last, so the Jays back into the playoffs.  So first round looks like:

Etown @ Widener  -8
Albright @ Messiah  -3

I will be in Chester on Wed to see the upset.  Thinkin about sittin in the Widener student section with a big Etown poster and all my Etown apparell on.  In all seriousness though, I like Etowns chances of taking it all as a 4 seed.  They won the conference as a 1 seed in '02, a 2 seed in '03, and a 3 seed in '04, so it would be nice to see them get one as a 4 seed.  They have proven they can beat the other 3 teams, having split with them all in the regular season.  Should be an exciting week.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 19, 2006, 06:59:59 pm
thunda, feel free to do that, if its like last game....its gonna be me, six of my friends and u. we better get a stronger turnout. anyway, i think ur basing your opinion too much on the past, but i guess we'll find out soon enough.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 21, 2006, 04:41:28 pm
All Conference Teams were released:

First Team:

Kris Clarson, Widener
Trevor Deeter, Albright
Zach Wiernicki, Messiah
Jimmy Curran, LVC
Matt Effler, SusQ
Jared Yoder, Messiah

Second Team:

Malcom Thomas, Widener
Matt Kieselowsky, Albright
Tommy McConnell, Juniata
Essien Ford, Widener
Brian Schrieber, Etown

Player of the Year: Kristian Clarkson, Widener

Rookie of the Year: Kyle Enoch, Lebanon Valley

Coach of the Year: Dave Duda, Widener

Congrats to all, especially coach Duda for elevating Widener to a level above the rest of the league during the regular season.  Was disappointed to not see Greg Adams on either list.  Much deserving.

thereiis:

Just wanted to clarify that I said I like there chances, not necessarily that they would indeed pull it off.  Its gonna be a tough road no matter what.  Good luck those teams in playoffs except Widener, Albright, and Messiah!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 21, 2006, 06:39:05 pm
hahaha clever
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 22, 2006, 10:27:47 pm
Widener beats Etown.............should i even bother thunda? lol very good however, those twins dont miss. BUT.......i think the following chants are going to give some of your players nightmares...

You got banged on.......

MAYBE NEXT YEAR........MAYBE NEXT YEAR........

MVP....MVP....MVP

anyway, who we playing next?????? anyone know
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 23, 2006, 08:29:44 am
Messiah 78 -  Albright 59

Messiah totally dominated Albright in the first half, with the score at half being 37-13.  It was a very defensive game right from the start with both teams really hustling.  Albright was only able to shoot 13.6% from the field in the first half.

The second half was a different story...  Big credit goes to Albright for making good adjustments at both ends of the court.  Offensively they worked to get open looks from outside and converted on the opportunities.  Defensively they were able to get Messiah out of their offensive rythm.  Albright was able to get within 5 (55-50), but Messiah was able to keep their composure and close out the game.

Messiah was able to shoot 27-28 from the free throw line in the second half, while Albright only shot 11-26
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on February 23, 2006, 08:55:52 am
I saw a very good Widener basketball team last night.  They are by no means a one-man-band.  Clarkson has progressed lightyears as a player from last year, and Thomas and Ford are both very good players.  Combine that with the quickness and handle of Blakely and they are going to be tough to beat.  Etown, and Widener for that matter, both could not have turned in much better performances last night.  It was a very good game to watch.  Etown had their chances to win.  I thought the 3 in the corner from Adams was definitely in, but a few bounces and calls went Wideners way at the end.  I'd have to say Widener held the edge with the officials, but I am no way blaming the game on them.  Etown had their chances to win and just couldnt get some of the shots to go down when they needed them to.  Etown has no reason to hang their heads after that game.  They played their hearts out.  Congradulatoins to Etown, and most notably the seniors, for a spectacular year.  As I told most of them after the game, no one except the guys in their own lockerroom expected this kind of year out of them.

I also agree with hoopsdafin's earlier assesment in the year that Widener could be a much better team if they played a more uptempo game.  Those kids are lighting quick and would be a nightmare fastbreak team.  I don't think they are in the condition to do it though.  Clarkson can play 40 minutes with the style they play now, but he was tugging at his shorts very early in the second half last night.  I'm assuming that is probably why they chose not to play the running game.  I'll take Widener by 8 in the final on Saturday.  Good luck to both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 23, 2006, 10:47:56 pm
Unfortunately I could not be in attendance last night, but congratulations to Widener. They earned the first seed, got a home game and pulled out what sounds like a great game. Rollingthunda is right though, expectations were not very high in Etown in the beginning of the year due to the loss of 8 seniors, but they pulled it together and got in the playoffs and almost pulled off a great victory.

As for Widener being an uptempo, fast break team I think your assessment is right RT. Looking at the box score from last night only one WU sub played more than 10 minutes and that was Tidswell. In fact, the Pioneers only played 8 guys in the whole game with two of them playing less than 10 minutes. That has to be the reason why they don't play more uptempo. However, the wear-down factor could come into play as the postseason rolls on. With four guys averaging 35+ minutes a night over an entire season, legs become tired especially at the end of games. I still think Widener beats Messiah on Saturday however. Thereiis, is the Widener bench that bad that Duda can't extend some of the subs minutes to give the starters more rest? It looks like they have some talent on the bench, but most of them never get to take off their shooting shirts? What's the deal?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 24, 2006, 03:41:31 pm
Wideners bench is actually really good. I could actual make some good arguments that people who barely get time would start on other teams in this league. Thats just the system Duda has i guess, play 8 and use the players that win. I hear the arguements about being fatigued at the end of the season, but this is the end and so far they look ok. Looking back on it, Duda has always really just played 8 or less players a game. I wish I knew that when choosing a school, but thats irregardless now. The only spot where they dont have a sub who gets major minutes is the 2 and 3, but Wyatt has come in many a time and done very well for them. Nyere (not sure on the spelling), has done well too when asked. The other spots they have plenty of backup. So i guess its just what ur idea of a lot of playing time is. I think tomorrow Widener wins, good game, close game, but Widener on top.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopsdafin203 on February 24, 2006, 06:37:50 pm
I guess there is something to be said about having a system, but I know I would want as many guys ready as possible in case of misfortunes (i.e. injury, foul trouble, etc). Also, playing more guys will help out the program in the long run. If they have guys that could start on other teams in the conference and they are not playing something is wrong. I guess that is just my opinion. I just could see that team playing 10-12 guys a night, running up and down the floor, and blowing teams out of the gym. Also, Blakey played 40 minutes the other night, do they have a back up PG? The one game I saw them play this year it didn't look like they had a guy on the bench that could run the team. Anyway, good luck to both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 25, 2006, 05:14:23 pm
Steve King's three-pointer with 0:01 left on the clock gave Messiah its first Commonwealth Conference title in men's basketball.  The Falcons clipped Widener, 56-55, to earn the automatic berth in the NCAA Division III national championship.

Congrats to the four seniors -- King, Zach Wiernicki, Quinn McCullough, and Dan Snyder -- the rest of the Falcon players, head coach Rick VanPelt, and the assistant coaches on a well-earned victory at Widener.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 25, 2006, 07:47:49 pm
I dont even know where to begin. First, amazing game ,hands down the best game ive seen besides one pro game ever. As for that shot, what can u say? From 27 feet with two dudes in ur face. Unreal, someone should send it in to sports center. Now for the other 3 pointer a few seconds early from the other side of the court that was thrown up with no time left on the shot clock, horse ****. That should have been minus 3 points. But what can u do? Amazing game to watch and the fans were crazy for both ends. I think we all went back and forth 100 times. Pretty **** way to end the season for Widener, especially seniors, but hopefully they get a bid. See tomorrow.

Mean time, getting retarded with the team and whoever else is coming......
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2006, 09:55:59 pm
Pool C is getting tight.  Widener has a chance with a 10-1 out of league.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hoopmanic1 on February 25, 2006, 11:07:36 pm
Unbelievable game, one of the best ever.  Thought it was over when Quinn fouled out.
Congrats to the guys and onto the big dance...booooo  yaaaahhhhh
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on February 25, 2006, 11:10:48 pm
With Wideners regional record and QOWI they will most likely get a pool c bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: thereiis on February 26, 2006, 03:52:35 pm
I hope, with the season they had, to end it on that note blows. The only thing I see hurting them is there non league schedule. It wasnt that great, but either way, they still have a shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 26, 2006, 11:38:51 pm
Widener is in, as you probably saw.

Maybe they even host or play at Lincoln on Thursday.  That would be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:35:13 pm
 ECAC Selections  (http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=2816)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2006, 10:24:13 pm
The NCAA tournament continues tomorrow night with both MACC teams in action.  If you can't get to Lincoln or York (Pa.), let D3hoops.com and NCAA Sports take you there.

6 PM: Messiah College vs. Alvernia College

6 PM: Catholic University vs. Widener University

Both broadcasts available at

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/scoreboard/div3


You'll need Windows Media to listen.  You can broadcast it for free here:

http//www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on March 03, 2006, 10:26:44 pm
Well, it took overtime to do it, but Messiah wins their first ever NCAA playoff game 83 - 77

Looks like it is Lincoln tomorrow night...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2006, 11:38:40 am
That game will be broadcast live again.

Same deal as below, just with tip off at 7 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Vegasdic on March 04, 2006, 10:10:05 pm
Here we go !!!!!!  Sweet Sixteen !!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2006, 10:08:29 am
D3hoopsNet, under contract from NCAAsports.com, will be broadcasting the entire Virginia Wesleyan sectional. Coverage starts a half-hour before tipoff and includes a preview of all four sectionals, plus in-game "live look-ins" at other sectionals in progress.

Pat Coleman and Dave McHugh on the call.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
All D3hoopsNet games are broadcast by Broadcastmonsters.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2006, 01:21:29 pm
Just a reminder, there's baseball and lacrosse discussions on the site now as well:

Freedom baseball: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4362.0
Commonwealth baseball: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4363.0
MAC men's lacrosse: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4312.0
MAC women's lacrosse: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4332.0

No reason the offseason has to be so painful. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 20, 2006, 10:34:04 pm
Here's an awesome story about a very inspirational kid who's at Widener (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=santoliquito/060420&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos3).  Check it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chooch on November 10, 2006, 08:03:48 pm
THE NEW SEASON IS LOOMING   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on November 13, 2006, 11:45:18 am
Time for another season of D3 basketball.  Per usual, this room hasnt been too active.  Unfortunately Etown has not yet put out a season preview but from my talks with the players, they have a pretty positive outlook on the season.  We did lose 3 key contributors from last years unexpected run into the Commonwealth playoffs however, they do have some very talented players returning.  Those expected to make major contributions will be Brian Goodwin, Luke Ledyard, Greg Brizek.  Also Chad Piersol and Mike Schatzmann look to build on their solid seasons from a year ago.  Piersol suffered a pretty ugly injury in the preason and may miss some time but that should allow some of the reserves to see valuable early season PT.  Others to look out for are Bryce Rodgers who should see a substantial role increase and needs to be effective down low, Kris Kieres and Rob Fusaro who both give Etown a legitimate outside threat.  This crew is hungry to make its own name after a 2 year absence from the Conference Championship game.  Get after it fellas!!!

I will be making the trek up to Etown this weekend to see their tip-off tourney.

Any news from around the conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on November 14, 2006, 01:08:33 pm
Pre-season Coaches Poll has been released:

Commonwealth Conference Pre-season Menís Basketball Poll
1. Widener...........56 pts. (7)
2. Lebanon Valley....44 pts. (1)
3. Albright..........41 pts.
4. Messiah...........39 pts.
5. Elizabethtown.....32 pts.
6. Susquehanna.......31 pts.
7. Juniata...........23 pts.
8. Moravian..........22 pts.

Hopefully this board picks up once the games start.  What year are teams going to start defecting from the conference?  Word is Etown got an invitation to the Landmark Conference, but that offer got pulled, leaving the people at Etown a bit upset.  Can anyone offer any insight into this situation?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chooch on November 14, 2006, 08:01:32 pm
I believe Scranton joined the landmark conference as the final member
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 15, 2006, 09:24:25 am
Etown and Scranton were under consideration; Scranton got the nod.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on November 15, 2006, 06:39:11 pm
Etown finally released the season preview:

http://www2.etown.edu/sports/mbasket/preview.asp

I didn't realize it but nationally 5th ranked Ohio Northern is participating in the tip-off tourney this weekend in Etown, along with a DeSales team that plays hard anually, and Penn State-Harrisburg.  It should be a good 2 game test to start the season for the Blue Jays.

Grove and chooch, thanks for the info on the conference change.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 16, 2006, 06:02:39 pm
Lincoln & Widener should be a early test for both teams.  Both squads make the sweet 16, but I think Lincoln was in the toughest bracket loosing to the eventual champ VA Wesleyan by one in their building.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2006, 02:25:21 am
The CAC put the MAC Commonwealth down pretty good this weekend, with Mary Washington beating Messiah and future Landmarker Catholic coming from down 11 with 8:30 to go to beat Albright at Albright.  If its any consolation to you MAC guys, the CAC is very strong this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 19, 2006, 12:28:36 pm
What happen to Widener at F&M?
It was ugly.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: rollingthunda on November 21, 2006, 05:58:36 pm
If its any consolation to you MAC guys, the CAC is very strong this year.

I know I personally could give a hot stinky fart how your teams do over in the CAC in relativity to the MAC, especially after the first weekend.

After watching the weekend of games in Etown this weekend, I was pleased to see a talented, and what I believe will be an underrated Etown team.  They blew a terrible Penn State Harrisburg team out of the water Friday night and help their own all game Saturday against #5 Ohio Northern before succoming to a late run and ultimately losing by 16.  Etown has a solid core of players that have varsity experience.  They are also missing starter Chad Piersol at the moment and Billy Orr saw limited minutes, I believe because he is still trying to get back from injury.  When those 2 get to full strength and are back in the rotation, I think Etown could cause many of the Commonwealth teams a lot of problems.

One last positive that I saw was Etown playing 2 very talented freshmen major minutes, which usually is not the norm for that program.  Church is the real deal and will only get better as he gets tougher and more comfortable with the system.

How can SusQ have a guy drop 50 and not have anyone on here letting us know about it?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 22, 2006, 10:08:41 am
How can SusQ have a guy drop 50 and not have anyone on here letting us know about it?

52, actually. He also got Commonwealth POTW for that performance.

I'm just sitting back and watching for now. I mean, they looked pretty unbelievable Friday night against Penn College (SEVENTY-FIVE POINTS in the first HALF! :o), but the season is young. Keep your eye on these guys though, I think they're going to surprise people.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 22, 2006, 10:19:51 am
Oh, and Robinson dropped another 30 last night in a 95-57 win over Marywood...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 26, 2006, 12:42:23 am
If its any consolation to you MAC guys, the CAC is very strong this year.

I know I personally could give a hot stinky fart how your teams do over in the CAC in relativity to the MAC, especially after the first weekend.

After watching the weekend of games in Etown this weekend, I was pleased to see a talented, and what I believe will be an underrated Etown team.  They blew a terrible Penn State Harrisburg team out of the water Friday night and help their own all game Saturday against #5 Ohio Northern before succoming to a late run and ultimately losing by 16.  Etown has a solid core of players that have varsity experience.  They are also missing starter Chad Piersol at the moment and Billy Orr saw limited minutes, I believe because he is still trying to get back from injury.  When those 2 get to full strength and are back in the rotation, I think Etown could cause many of the Commonwealth teams a lot of problems.

One last positive that I saw was Etown playing 2 very talented freshmen major minutes, which usually is not the norm for that program.  Church is the real deal and will only get better as he gets tougher and more comfortable with the system.

How can SusQ have a guy drop 50 and not have anyone on here letting us know about it?

Ahh, well cause you don't care, Catholic put away Scranton at Scranton this afternoon, 71-61...I'll be interested to see how Albright plays at York, if no other reason than to see how good York is.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chooch on December 03, 2006, 05:40:23 pm
dead board..
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2006, 10:11:03 am
It might not be if you would contribute something rather than just saying it's dead.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chooch on December 04, 2006, 11:05:16 pm
well then .. anyone have any thoughts on the conference after everyone has played 2 games? albright got 2 tough losses it seems, and yoder seems to be playing really well for messiah again. Etown got a big win over SU with a very good shooting performance all around.  leave some thoughts and opinions
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on December 05, 2006, 09:31:15 am
I'm thinking it's gonna be a wide-open race.  Messiah had a nice win against D-II Mansfield and the nail-biter at Albright was big.  If everyone takes care of business at home (Albright may be in trouble there with two home losses already), it'll be interesting.

Hope some Commonwealth teams get some love in the D3hoops poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: dutchalumn on December 06, 2006, 03:02:55 pm
The Dutchmen are playing surprisingly well right now considering their youth and inexperience.  I was at the Etown-LVC game last Saturday and I was impressed by the inside play of younger dutchmen.  Etown showed a lot of heart coming back from around 15 down to really make it a game.  Any LVC-Etown game is alway a battle and its good to see the tradition is carrying on. 

As far as who the leader of the conference is, its way too early to tell.  The MAC Commenwealth is, in my opinion, one of the toughest conferences in the country.  From top to bottom any team can win on any night.  Each team has their strengths and their leadership in certain areas that can make any team a contender for the championship.  Right now, I do like how LVC is playing.  I havent seen any other teams besides Albright and Etown, but at this point I really like LVC.  Jimmy Curran has really become an all conference player.  Im really interested to see the transfer that Susquehanna got in the off-season.  He seems to really be a big difference on that team, which I personally thought, would be having another rough year.  It also appears that Jared Yoder from Messiah is having another outstanding year.  Playing in the MAC for 4 years, I can honestly say Yoder is one of the toughest guys I've played against and its good to see him still playing well.  Im really looking forward to seeing how the league will pan out this year because its always a rollercoaster in the MAC conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 06, 2006, 03:15:58 pm
Im really interested to see the transfer that Susquehanna got in the off-season.  He seems to really be a big difference on that team, which I personally thought, would be having another rough year.

dutchalumn, I assume you mean Josh Robinson, although Kevin Cuff is another transfer and he's making quite an impact. There's also the addition of Bryan Majors, a freshman from Harrisburg HS. As I said in the Freedom League thread (we played Wilkes last night), there are some excellent pieces to the puzzle, just putting the finishing touches on. LVC is always a tough game - even in our down years we've managed to give them a good fight - and I'm looking forward to seeing your crew in January.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: dutchalumn on December 06, 2006, 05:45:16 pm
Yeah Robinson must be the kid I have been hearing about.  He seems to really be a big time scorer.  I havent really had a chance to talk to any players or read up on any of the teams this year.  Its a little different being out of the game now.  But like I said, I really am looking forward to seeing what this year's conference is going to shape up to look like.  As always its anyone's league and I cant wait til February to see what the playoff picture is.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 07, 2006, 10:09:07 am
Robinson's something, all right. He scored 52 in the second game of the season and is leading the Commonwealth in ppg. You will definitely enjoy watching him. I've already seen more dunks this season (mostly from him, but a few from the other guys) than I have in all the seasons I've been watching SU combined.

The Commonwealth is always a good, tough battle to the finish. Gonna miss it next year, but the Landmark should be interesting as well, especially with Catholic.

Not as easy to sit and watch, is it?  :) I'm still not used to it, and I've been "retired" much longer.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on December 10, 2006, 03:33:15 pm
Josh Robinson drilled eight three-pointers and finished with a game-high 32 points to lead Susquehanna University to a 78-54 victory over Lycoming College in non-conference menís basketball action at O.W. Houts Gymnasium on Sunday afternoon.

Robinson finished 11-for-16 from the field and 8-for-11 on three-pointers, falling one shy of the school record of nine three-pointers set by Matt Heimbach against Wesley in 1994. Robinson has scored 20 or more points in seven straight games and reached the 30-point mark for the third time this year despite playing just 26 minutes.

Susquehanna trailed just once in the contest, when Lycoming took a 14-13 lead on a three-pointer by Morris with 10:33 left in the first half. Robinson, who scored 18 points in the first half, answered with a three on the Crusadersí next possession to trigger a 17-6 run that closed the half and sent Susquehanna to intermission with a 10-point lead.

(S.U. press release)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2006, 03:53:11 pm
Just out of curiosity, why did Josh Robinson transfer from D1 Drake? (Isn't Iowa just a bit out of Susquehanna's normal recruiting area?  :P)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 10, 2006, 05:17:44 pm
Warren: Robinson is from NewJersey...perhaps he was recruited by Frank out of high school & he told him if it doesn't work out or you get homesick you can ALWAYS give me a call. Susquejamma: where did Cuff transfer from?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 10, 2006, 05:25:33 pm
Warren: Robinson is from NewJersey...perhaps he was recruited by Frank out of high school & he told him if it doesn't work out or you get homesick you can ALWAYS give me a call. Susquejamma: where did Cuff transfer from?

All D3 coaches should be so lucky!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chooch on December 10, 2006, 06:37:02 pm
where did Cuff transfer from?

He transferred in from D2 Millersville
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on December 10, 2006, 06:38:51 pm
Just out of curiosity, why did Josh Robinson transfer from D1 Drake? (Isn't Iowa just a bit out of Susquehanna's normal recruiting area?  :P)

I don't know. Rumor is he was supposed to go to Lafayette but it didn't work out. He was averaging eight points at Drake.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 11, 2006, 10:05:38 am
Just out of curiosity, why did Josh Robinson transfer from D1 Drake? (Isn't Iowa just a bit out of Susquehanna's normal recruiting area?  :P)

The "official" word (take it fwiw) is that Robinson was drawn to SU's outstanding business school. Apparently he's quite the scholar as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 11, 2006, 03:00:35 pm
Robinson is Commonwealth POTW again...

For the second time this season, Susquehanna University junior guard Josh Robinson has been named the Commonwealth Conference Player of the Week in men's basketball, the conference office announced Monday.

Robinson (Mahwah, NJ/River Dell) averaged 26.3 points, 7.0 rebounds and 3.8 steals in three games last week, finishing as the game's high scorer in all three contests.

He scored 24 points in an 87-86 loss to Wilkes on Tuesday, scored 23 points in a 70-68 overtime win at Misericordia on Thursday, and finished the week by hitting 8-of-11 from three-point range and scoring 32 points in 26 minutes in a 78-54 win over Lycoming on Sunday.

For the week, Robinson shot 55 percent (22-for-40) from the field, 54.2 percent (13-for-24) from three-point range and 81.5 percent (22-for-27) from the foul line, and also threw home five dunks.

This season, Robinson leads the Commonwealth Conference in scoring (26.9 points per game), ranks sixth in rebounding (6.3 rebounds per game), is third in assists (3.8 per game) and leads the conference in three-pointers with 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 11, 2006, 06:39:00 pm
Robinson is Commonwealth POTW again...

For the second time this season, Susquehanna University junior guard Josh Robinson has been named the Commonwealth Conference Player of the Week in men's basketball, the conference office announced Monday.

Robinson (Mahwah, NJ/River Dell) averaged 26.3 points, 7.0 rebounds and 3.8 steals in three games last week, finishing as the game's high scorer in all three contests.

He scored 24 points in an 87-86 loss to Wilkes on Tuesday, scored 23 points in a 70-68 overtime win at Misericordia on Thursday, and finished the week by hitting 8-of-11 from three-point range and scoring 32 points in 26 minutes in a 78-54 win over Lycoming on Sunday.

For the week, Robinson shot 55 percent (22-for-40) from the field, 54.2 percent (13-for-24) from three-point range and 81.5 percent (22-for-27) from the foul line, and also threw home five dunks.

This season, Robinson leads the Commonwealth Conference in scoring (26.9 points per game), ranks sixth in rebounding (6.3 rebounds per game), is third in assists (3.8 per game) and leads the conference in three-pointers with 25.


How did this kid get by Chuck McBreen at Ramapo, he was right in the backyard playing HS ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 11, 2006, 08:15:19 pm
Probably because "good student" and Ramapo are generally not used in the same sentence.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on December 11, 2006, 08:20:20 pm
There was a nice article in Susquehanna's student newspaper The Crusader (http://www.susqu.edu/crusader/article.cfm?IssueID=114&SectionID=5&ArticleID=4957) written on Susquehanna's lone senior Chad Lauer, who will be sitting out this season with a noncancerous tumor.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 12, 2006, 09:23:15 am
Also, you know your program's hot stuff when the local D1 coach brings the family out to a game...  ;)

Bucknell coach Pat Flannery was in the house Sunday afternoon. But... I think that was to see his former assistant, Don Friday, in action, not because SU is such a hot ticket, but hey, I can dream, right?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on December 12, 2006, 01:22:02 pm
Stop gloating.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on December 12, 2006, 02:13:23 pm
When is Messiah going to finally start getting the recognition they deserve? Not even in the top 50 nationally yet after a run in the tournament last year and starting 6-1, winning their last 6? There are not many forwards out there better than Mr. Yoder.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on December 13, 2006, 08:36:35 am
I always like it when Knightstalker posts ... cuz of that sweet picture of Phoebe Cates.  Kinda makes me feel good about all this rain we're getting today.

 ;)

Now back to the show...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2006, 10:43:44 pm
If Messiah can't beat Mary Washington then it doesn't belong in the Top 25, not with the wins it has.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on December 14, 2006, 10:47:27 am
First game of the year; too many turnovers. I think if they come out of their West Coast trip to Kentucky and California over the holidays with still one loss they at least must be considered.

They beat D2 Mansfield by 8 and it was actually not even that close of a game. That has to give them some credit.

You may be right about them not having played the teams they need to in order to be recognized, but if they come into conference play 11-1, that deserves some merit, do you not agree?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: dutchalumn on December 14, 2006, 01:39:29 pm
Its hard to tell who the best teams in the country are at this point of the season.   Most teams start their schedule off with decent opponents, but nothing as close to the competition they'll see in league play.  Look at a team like Syracuse.  Every year they are in the top 25 to start, but they never play a game outside of the carrier dome until almost after Christmas.  I think its safe to say that Messiah is one of the top teams in the league, given their record.  But its more important to be recognized as the best team in your league at this point and being ranked in the country.  Because being ranked 15th in the country doesnt mean anything if you have 4 teams in your conference ranked higher than you.  At this point of the year, and pretty much until February, everyone should be worrying about who is the best in the MAC.  And as of right now, LVC, Widener, and Messiah are proving to be the best.  That could change down the road, as it always does in the MAC.  But who cares about national rankings...its not even Christmas.

And YoderFan...I agree with you on the fact that there arent many forwards in the leauge like him.  I played against Yoder for 3 years and he was a pain in the ass to play against.  But the kid can flat out play and he plays harder than anyone on thec court.  He does diserve a lot of credit
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on December 16, 2006, 01:08:44 am
  At this point of the year, and pretty much until February, everyone should be worrying about who is the best in the MAC.  And as of right now, LVC, Widener, and Messiah are proving to be the best.  That could change down the road, as it always does in the MAC.  But who cares about national rankings...its not even Christmas.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but Widener has lost four games already this season. Two of those losses -- Phil. Bible and F&M -- are at or below the .500 mark. Hardly worthy of "the best in the MAC Commonwealth."
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on December 18, 2006, 07:35:41 am
I don't know if you can count Widener out of the top of the conference this early... BUT how in the world did they lose to Philadelphia Bible? Was anyone at the game that can help me attempt to understand how it happened? Definitely a game Widener would like to forget about.

On another note... looks like Etown had a good win on Saturday. Unfortunately, you can never count them out of the top teams in the conference, even when you think they will have a down year, like most people have been thinking the past 3 years. Bob Schlosser knows how to coach and get his team playing basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on December 18, 2006, 01:51:34 pm
When is Messiah going to finally start getting the recognition they deserve? Not even in the top 50 nationally yet after a run in the tournament last year and starting 6-1, winning their last 6? There are not many forwards out there better than Mr. Yoder.

YoderFan,

I agree with Pat Coleman's response, but I would like to add something.  I think Messiah will be able to prove their worth in the top 25 if they continue to win.  It would be impossible to ignore them at that point.  Do remember that Mary Washington (Messiah's lone loss) isn't in the top 25 yet, much less getting votes.  And Messiah's wins aren't to amazing teams, either.  Maybe you should talk to Coach Van Pelt about scheduling a little tougher non-conf for next season.

Yoder's a great player and all, but I don't see what being a top forward has anything to do with being in the top 25.  I do wonder about Yoder . . . is he as good as you think?  He didn't get an All-Region selection last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on December 19, 2006, 09:50:58 am
Chizwiz,

  Have you ever seen him play? A few posts ago, someone who played against him said...

"And YoderFan...I agree with you on the fact that there arent many forwards in the leauge like him.  I played against Yoder for 3 years and he was a pain in the ass to play against.  But the kid can flat out play and he plays harder than anyone on thec court.  He does diserve a lot of credit".

He shot over 61% from the field last year, averaging over 15 points and 7 rebounds a game. The reason he was not All-Region is because Messiah had Wiernicki, McCullough, and King who combined to shoot the ball over 1,000 times. And even with those three, when Messiah needed a bucket, everyone knew Yoder was the go-to-guy.
   You will not hear him praised often because he is humble and not flashy. He will not make the spectacular play, but I challenge anyone to try to stop him in the post when he has you one on one. I promise you it does not happen often. He also can shoot the 3, run the court, and rebound.
   I remember watching him play in high school and he was a tall, scrawny guard. He obviously put in some work in the weight room and on the court. If he is not all-region or more this year, people are making a HUGE mistake.
   Watch him play once or twice then you can question his talent.

  As for Messiah... they do need to start scheduling a tougher non-conference schedule. As I said earlier, their trip out west will tell everyone a lot about what kind of team are or can be.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on December 19, 2006, 11:27:32 am
Mr. Fan,

Yes, I have seen him play.  The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding (metaphorically speaking) is in the season and how he plays.  He sounds like a good guy, so I hope you are right about him.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2006, 10:54:59 pm
This evening in Daytona Beach, Florida ...

Lebanon Valley 63, Embry-Riddle 59. (Embry-Riddle was NAIA II #6).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: dutchalumn on December 30, 2006, 10:34:28 am
Leb Val had a huge win last night...Beating a #6 NAIA Embry-Riddle is a big confidence boost for the Dutchmen...Its impressive to me to see the Dutchmen with a 9-2 mark at this point of the season considering their inexperience inside...Coach McAlester, who doesnt get as much credit as he deserves for preparing his players, seems to have these guys clicking right now...its still gonna take time to see how they perform in conference play, which is always the most important part, but seeing some of these underclassmen play the way they've been playing is great to see and is hopefully a sign of things to come from the Fresh-Soph class at LVC...

Also, Congrats to Jimmy Curran for becoming LVC's 30th career 1,000 point scorer...Why isn't anyone else talking about this kid on here?  I dont get it.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 30, 2006, 11:36:02 am

Its impressive to me to see the Dutchmen with a 9-2 mark at this point of the season considering their inexperience inside....

Coach McAlester, who doesnt get as much credit as he deserves for preparing his players, seems to have these guys clicking right now....

Yes, to all your points above, Dan.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 02, 2007, 10:05:39 pm
Curran is tough. Big guard who can shoot the ball. One of the top guards in the league... probably the best. Curran, Kiesolowski (spelling), Ford, Henninger, Robinson. All legit guards. I am impressed by LVC's play this year. If I were to pick pre-season, I may have left them out of the top 4, maybe given them the 4 spot in the conference. This is why I am not a betting man. McAllister has always been a solid coach and has his team ready to play. So many solid coaches in the Commonwealth also... and fairly young ones at that... McAllister, Ferry, Van Pelt, Schossler, not sure about the new young Widener coach.

Messiah lost a tough one this past week in Kentucky. I guess I was alittle to quick to mention top 25. Still think they are a solid team though. Am looking forward to seeing Messiah - LVC. Should be a tough matchup. Curran vs. Henninger. Yoder vs. ?????. Two evenly matched teams however.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on January 03, 2007, 10:18:04 am
Ditto on the good young coaches in the league.  I have met a few of those mentioned by YoderFan and think they are nice guys, too.

Leb Val got a great win.  It's good to see Mid-Atlantic teams do well as well as any time a d3 team wins against a non-d3 opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on January 04, 2007, 12:18:23 am
EU beats Widener, 76-70 tonight.  Pretty good for an average team in a less-than-average PAC, against a top MAC team.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 07, 2007, 06:00:49 pm
Josh Robinson didn't play today in Susquehanna's win v. Scranton. Anyone know why?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 07, 2007, 06:27:23 pm
Josh Robinson didn't play today in Susquehanna's win v. Scranton. Anyone know why?

The press release I got from Susquehanna's SID said Robinson was out due to injury. Big win for the Crusaders though.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 08, 2007, 09:28:55 am
Josh Robinson didn't play today in Susquehanna's win v. Scranton. Anyone know why?

I haven't heard anything either, and the lack of info is a bit worrisome. However, it's good to see SU's not a one-man show.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 10, 2007, 09:42:52 am
Conference play resumes tonight... my predictions....

LVC @ Moravian                       LVC by 16
Albright @ Widener                  Widener by 5
Messiah @ Etown                    Messiah by 2
Juniata @ Susuquehanna        Susquehanna by 7

Anyone else have any predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 11, 2007, 09:19:16 am
Susquehanna beat Juniata, 63-61, last night in Selinsgrove. Josh Robinson missed his second game with a left knee bruise, but is expected back on Saturday against Widener. It was a squeaker, but again, good to see they can win without Robinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: messiahman on January 14, 2007, 06:35:46 pm
No one can beat Messiah in the league this year....
Yoder is the best player in the league....both sides....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 14, 2007, 07:44:32 pm
No one can beat Messiah in the league this year....

We'll remind you of this prediction when Messiah loses its first conference game.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 14, 2007, 08:35:24 pm
No one can beat Messiah in the league this year....
Yoder is the best player in the league....both sides....

Scoring:
1.Josh Robinson-SUS  23.4
3.Kevin Cuff-SUS 17.7
5.Jared Yoder-MESS 15.9

Assists:
5.Josh Robinson-SUS 3.50
7.Jared Yoder-MESS 3.07
 
Steals:
7.  Josh Robinson-SUS 1.67
11. Kevin Cuff-SUS  1.47
(Yoder not in Top 15 in the Mac-C)

3-point percentage:
 1.Kevin Cuff-SUS .578
 8.Josh Robinson-SUS .418
11.Jared Yoder-MESS .412

Three-pointers:
Robinson (No. 2), Cuff (No. 10)

Blocked shots:
5.Jared Yoder-MESS 1.07

I think it's obvious that Yoder isn't even close to the best offensive and defensive player in the league. Robinson is by far the best offensive player in the league, despite playing with injury. The best defensive player is a tossup -- throw in freshman Bryan Majors and his 35 steals with limited minutes in there.

I think it's a little too soon to be calling for an undefeated Commonwealth season for Messiah. It still hasn't played two of the league's best teams, undefeated Widener and Susquehanna.


Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: messiahman on January 14, 2007, 10:31:21 pm
Messiah is the best team and YODER is best player....YOU WILL SEE ON WEDNESDAY jamma.....

Messiah by 14.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 15, 2007, 09:58:11 am
Messiah is the best team and YODER is best player....YOU WILL SEE ON WEDNESDAY jamma.....

I'm guessing Messiah doesn't teach grammar. It must be too busy teaching its students how effective Caps Lock is.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2007, 10:32:40 am
Incidentally Pat Cummings and I plan to attend Saturday's Messiah/Widener game in Chester.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 16, 2007, 02:56:34 pm
Anyone coming up for the Susquehanna-Messiah game tomorrow? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 16, 2007, 09:18:21 pm
Anyone coming up for the Susquehanna-Messiah game tomorrow? :)

If you are, come for the women's game at 6 p.m. too. Should be a good match.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 17, 2007, 06:31:57 am
Man... all this talk... hell, I'm entertaining a trip up Rt. 15 now.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 17, 2007, 11:33:01 am
Man... all this talk... hell, I'm entertaining a trip up Rt. 15 now.  :)

It's an easy trip!

And I have to concur with 'jamma - get here for the women's game too, it'll be good. And the women deserve some fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 18, 2007, 04:19:39 am
Sorry I couldn't make the game, boys.  Too busy drowning my sorrows in the Wilkes loss at Scranton.

Messiah is the best team and YODER is best player....YOU WILL SEE ON WEDNESDAY jamma.....

Messiah by 14.

As long as by "YODER is best player" you meant his 11 points wasn't game-high, and was a grave disappointment against a 2-3 team in conference.

And as long as by "Messiah by 14" you meant "Messiah by 3"

Wish that buzzer-beater would have fallen for you guys...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 18, 2007, 09:03:13 am
Yoder also got into early foul trouble and spent a good bit of time on the pine.

Can't help but wonder "what if J-Rob had played..."  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 18, 2007, 09:41:51 am
Colonel John,

  I don't think you can get on a kid...
     1. When you were not at the game and did not see him play.
     2. When he got in early foul trouble and did not get much time.
     3. When he still had 11 points and helped his team to a BIG conference win.

  At this point in the MAC, every win in the league is huge, especially on the road... and against a very good Susquehanna team. I was not able to make the game either, but am excited to see the two play when they travel to Grantham, and when Susquehanna's Robinson is playing. I have heard a lot about him, but he has not played in a lot of conference games. Did some good things out of conference. Going to be interested to see how he plays when teams key on him and have good scouting reports.

   Messiah @ Widener on Sat. to determine the lonely front runner in the Commonwealth. Yoder, Henninger - Thomas, Ford. Should be a dandy.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 18, 2007, 02:26:26 pm
Colonel John,

  I don't think you can get on a kid...
     1. When you were not at the game and did not see him play.
     2. When he got in early foul trouble and did not get much time.
     3. When he still had 11 points and helped his team to a BIG conference win.

  At this point in the MAC, every win in the league is huge, especially on the road... and against a very good Susquehanna team. I was not able to make the game either, but am excited to see the two play when they travel to Grantham, and when Susquehanna's Robinson is playing. I have heard a lot about him, but he has not played in a lot of conference games. Did some good things out of conference. Going to be interested to see how he plays when teams key on him and have good scouting reports. 

Word on campus is that it is a knee injury and Robinson should be ready for Saturday's game. Great game. I wasn't impressed with Messiah. Both teams shot under 40 percent. Best of luck to the Crusaders. I won't be able to make Saturday's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 18, 2007, 03:36:34 pm

Word on campus is that it is a knee injury and Robinson should be ready for Saturday's game.

Dude, they said that last Saturday, too....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 18, 2007, 06:36:49 pm

Word on campus is that it is a knee injury and Robinson should be ready for Saturday's game.

Dude, they said that last Saturday, too....

Word on campus Assistant coach
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 19, 2007, 05:14:22 am
YoderFan - just warning you not to be overconfident.  No one goes 14-0 in conference.  I hold a special place in my heart for Messiah... but quoting Scripture (poorly) "Pride cometh before the fall."  Enjoy the ride, just beware.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 19, 2007, 09:12:19 am
Colonel John,

  Not once did I mention that Messiah was going to go 14-0 in the conference. In fact, I have no clue where you could have gotten that from. I said Saturday's match-up will determine who is in sole possession of first place in the conference. In fact, my pre-season predictions would have placed Messiah 3rd or fourth, rather than where they are sitting now. I am enjoying watching them play right now, but I do expect some losses throughout conference play... especially if they continue to turn the ball over like they did against Susquehanna.

"Messiah @ Widener on Sat. to determine the lonely front runner in the Commonwealth. Yoder, Henninger - Thomas, Ford. Should be a dandy."

In other words... Should be a good game to determine who is in first at this point. Not, Messiah will be 14-0 after conference play and will the D3 tournament.

Thanks Colonel John.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 19, 2007, 09:44:33 am
YoderFan, whoops.  :)  Gotcha confused with "Messiahman"... serves me right for messing with the Commonwealth. 

That said, when we relegate Lycoming next year, who gets promoted to the Freedom side?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2007, 12:42:25 pm
Quote
That said, when we relegate Lycoming next year, who gets promoted to the Freedom side?

I think the answer is Manhattanville and Arcadia who are both joining the MAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ihavenolife on January 20, 2007, 10:45:43 pm
I would love to hear opinions on the Moravian men's team this year.  The Greyhounds seem to be playing inspired basketball.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on January 22, 2007, 03:10:31 pm
No one can beat Messiah in the league this year....
Yoder is the best player in the league....both sides....
Yoder, unless I'm reading this incorrectly, the statement "no one can beat Messiah in the league this year" can also be written just as accurately with:  Messiah will go undefeated/Messiah will go 14-0 in conference.

Is there some reason you are backing away from this statement?

Also, what is your response to the interesting stats that seem to disprove your amazing statements about how good Yoder is (isn't)?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 22, 2007, 09:59:19 pm
Chizwiz,

   If you would like to venture back to that post and check who wrote it, you will find it was not me... in fact it was "messiahman". You did not read the post incorrectly, but you did read the name incorrectly. I believe that solves both of your questions to me. Do you have any others? Maybe instead of trying to make me look like an idiot, you can now ask one or two questions that would not make yourself look like an idiot.

My opinion on Moravian... good team. Play hard. I do not think they have the talent man for man as other teams in the Commonwealth, but they have shown they can play with the league. Interesting to note, their 3 wins have come against the teams currently holding the last three spots in the standings heading into the game that finishes the first half of league play. Will be interesting to see how they do Wednesday night at Messiah. They beat Messiah in Grantham last year. I will have more thoughts Wednesday night after I see them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on January 23, 2007, 12:59:58 pm
Yoder, pardon me for misreading.  My idiotic brain got all confused.

Either way, I'm not too bothered by lumping you in with messiahman, as you two sound so similar.  Again, where is Yoder in the league-leading stats?

Pfffffffff.  That sounds like a lot of hot air leaving your falcon-shaped head.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 23, 2007, 02:16:38 pm
ChizWiz,

  Yoder is....

4th in the league in scoring.
1st in the league in rebounding.
3rd in the league in field goal percentage.
6th in the league in assists. (As a forward)
7th in the league in free throw percentage.
15th in the league in steals. (As a forward)
7th in the league in blocked shots.
5th in the league in assist to turnover ratio. (As a forward)
5th in the league in offensive rebounding.
1st in the league in defensive rebounding.

If you ask me, or anyone else for that matter, those numbers are pretty impressive. In fact, the only category Yoder is not in the league leaders is three point shooting. You should research the facts before asking questions because again, you look like an idiot.



Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on January 23, 2007, 05:14:23 pm
Y'know, I like this YoderFan guy.   Next time I'm at Messiah I'll buy first round of... ummm... whatever you're allowed to drink there.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 24, 2007, 08:12:13 am
Any predictions on tonight's games to round out the first half of the Commonwealth?

Susquehanna @ Albright
Juniata @ LVC
Widener @ Etown
Moravian @ Messiah

I would prefer Skim, thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on January 24, 2007, 02:12:07 pm
Albright over Susquehanna -- Don't be fooled by AC's record -- they are fighting for their playoff lives and will win at home.

LVC over Juniata -- This will be by the biggest victory margin of the four games.  LVC is better.

Widener over Etown -- Poor Etown.  You don't want to have to play a team that just fell out of first place.  Widener will take it.

Messiah over Moravian -- Moravian is very dangerous, so Messiah can't afford to look at the standings.  With total focus, though, the Falcons should win.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 24, 2007, 10:27:14 pm
I would love to hear opinions on the Moravian men's team this year.  The Greyhounds seem to be playing inspired basketball.  Any thoughts?

Messiah handles Moravian tonight in Grantham 70-50. Messiah jumped out to a 20 point lead at the half and never looked back. Messiah got a strong effort from Mat Henninger who at the half already recorded a double-double with 10 points and 10 rebounds. He finished with 21 points and 13 rebounds to lead all scorers and rebounders. Jared Yoder scored his 1,000 career point early in the second half and finished with a game high 4 assists.

Now for "ihavenolife", my opinion about Moravian after seeing them play. Although Messiah handled them tonight, I was impressed by how hard Moravian plays. There is no doubt that they will knock off some good teams and be in the playoff hunt. Man for man they are not as talented as some of the top teams in the Commonwealth. They are young and will be good in the next few years. They did not shoot well tonight, maybe credit Messiah's defense who altered and contested many shots. Short a quality big man and one guard. What happened to Chestnut who played last year? Moravian could use him.


Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 27, 2007, 04:52:25 pm
Final from O.W. Houts:

Susquehanna 74
Widener 61
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 27, 2007, 05:06:11 pm
Final from O.W. Houts:

Susquehanna 74
Widener 61

Damn, you're quick! You must live in Hassinger.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 27, 2007, 06:55:39 pm
Messiah took LVC this afternoon in a disappointingly ragged game for both teams. The biggest disappointment, at least for me, was the much-anticipated performance of the much-vaunted Jared Yoder.* He had 08 points, 04 assists, and 04 fouls and didn't come off as the stuff of legend.

-----------------------

* He was earlier touted, by a certain poster in this room, as something out of the ordinary. Today he certainly wasn't; while he's big and has a good reach and sharp elbows and takes up considerable space underneath, he didn't produce an all-star effort -- in fact, most of the time he looked as if he was running in congealed oatmeal. Neither smooth nor polished.  On the other hand, why should he care? His team won.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 27, 2007, 11:34:49 pm
It is nice when a team can pick up a tough road win in the conference when their much-vaunted best player has an off night, which some players have every once in a while. You are right though Warren, Jared did not play a particularly good game today.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 28, 2007, 02:32:00 am
It is nice when a team can pick up a tough road win in the conference when their much-vaunted best player has an off night, which some players have every once in a while. You are right though Warren, Jared did not play a particularly good game today.

He didn't play well against Susquehanna either. Does he just beat up on the bad teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 28, 2007, 05:15:49 pm
D. 2 Mansfield    17 pts. 6 boards, 4 assists
Widner    17 pts.  10 boards  6 assists
LVC (1 time) 27 pts. 10 boards 3 assists
Juniata (tied for 4th in Commonwealth) 27 pts. 10 boards
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 29, 2007, 09:35:19 am
Final from O.W. Houts:

Susquehanna 74
Widener 61

Damn, you're quick! You must live in Hassinger.

Nah, brought my laptop to the game for the express purpose of being able to post first... Just kidding!  ;D

BTW, about your comment on Yoder... oh, snap! (But I wasn't impressed with his play vs. SU, either - although I figured I'd give him the benefit of the doubt since he got into early foul trouble...)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: RVPismyhero on January 29, 2007, 04:14:34 pm
All this debate about if Jared Yoder is legit or not, there has one thing that has been left out of the debate. After watching him play this season, in games where is went off for 25 points and watching games where he “struggled,” you need to look at more than just stats. Yoder does everything on the court (as stated in previous posts), but the biggest thing that he does is attract attention away from other players on the floor. I was at LVC on Saturday and had the pleasure of watching Matt Henninger hit open shot after open shot. Why does he get all these open shots? It’s because Yoder grabs the attention of every defender on the court, leaving the Perimeter shooters open to nock down shots. Messiah is shooting 40% from beyond the arch, leading the league. Matt Henninger is 2nd in the league, shooting 51% making 45 out of 88 attempts. Matt is a pure shooter, along with Jonathan Boyd (4th in the league shooting 44%) Teams are forced to leave them on the perimeter to help on Yoder in the post, leaving them with shots, Yoder, as said before is 6th in the league in assists at 3.22 a game. Yoder is very good at passing out of the double team and finding the open man. The bottom line is that Yoder makes all the players around him better, that’s what all great players do.

Secondly, how come no one talks about Henninger, he’s just as a legitimate treat as Yoder. I wouldn’t be surprised to see teams paying more attention to him in the second half of league play. He has led the Falcons in scoring 4 of the past 6 games, shooting connecting on 19 threes in those six games, including a huge 3-3 performance against Widener. Look for Yoder to have some big games coming up as teams try and stop the hot shooting of Henninger and Messiah’s other guards
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 29, 2007, 04:42:37 pm
All this debate about if Jared Yoder is legit or not, there has one thing that has been left out of the debate. After watching him play this season, in games where is went off for 25 points and watching games where he ďstruggled,Ē you need to look at more than just stats. Yoder does everything on the court (as stated in previous posts), but the biggest thing that he does is attract attention away from other players on the floor. I was at LVC on Saturday and had the pleasure of watching Matt Henninger hit open shot after open shot. Why does he get all these open shots? Itís because Yoder grabs the attention of every defender on the court, leaving the Perimeter shooters open to nock down shots. Messiah is shooting 40% from beyond the arch, leading the league. Matt Henninger is 2nd in the league, shooting 51% making 45 out of 88 attempts. Matt is a pure shooter, along with Jonathan Boyd (4th in the league shooting 44%) Teams are forced to leave them on the perimeter to help on Yoder in the post, leaving them with shots, Yoder, as said before is 6th in the league in assists at 3.22 a game. Yoder is very good at passing out of the double team and finding the open man. The bottom line is that Yoder makes all the players around him better, thatís what all great players do.

Secondly, how come no one talks about Henninger, heís just as a legitimate treat as Yoder. I wouldnít be surprised to see teams paying more attention to him in the second half of league play. He has led the Falcons in scoring 4 of the past 6 games, shooting connecting on 19 threes in those six games, including a huge 3-3 performance against Widener. Look for Yoder to have some big games coming up as teams try and stop the hot shooting of Henninger and Messiahís other guards


You make some very good points above.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 30, 2007, 01:50:34 am
Yoder is still the fifth-best player, at best, in the Commonwealth. No one ever mentions Curran, who is having one Hell of a season with Leb Val.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on January 30, 2007, 08:38:22 am
Yoder is still the fifth-best player, at best, in the Commonwealth. No one ever mentions Curran, who is having one Hell of a season with Leb Val.


All this talk about who the best player in the league is -- a couple of Messiah fans think it's Yoder; at least one SU fan thinks that he's fifth (with, I suppose, LVC's Curran or SU's Robinson tops).  Anyway...

Isn't basketball a team game?  This debate is kinda like the argument between "Most Valuable Player" and "Most Outstanding Player."  I think that there's a big difference -- If you're team isn't winning, then a player may be "outstanding," but how "valuable" is he?  Of course, no one has won the league yet, but right now Yoder's team is 8-0 and two games up on second.  So, he may or may not be the most outstanding, but I say that he is the most valuable. at least at this point in the season.

What he brings to the court makes his TEAMmates better -- and Messiah has played very well as a team this year.

Later, gents.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on January 30, 2007, 07:13:01 pm
Yoder is still the fifth-best player, at best, in the Commonwealth. No one ever mentions Curran, who is having one Hell of a season with Leb Val.


All this talk about who the best player in the league is -- a couple of Messiah fans think it's Yoder; at least one SU fan thinks that he's fifth (with, I suppose, LVC's Curran or SU's Robinson tops).  Anyway...

Isn't basketball a team game?  This debate is kinda like the argument between "Most Valuable Player" and "Most Outstanding Player."  I think that there's a big difference -- If you're team isn't winning, then a player may be "outstanding," but how "valuable" is he?  Of course, no one has won the league yet, but right now Yoder's team is 8-0 and two games up on second.  So, he may or may not be the most outstanding, but I say that he is the most valuable. at least at this point in the season.

What he brings to the court makes his TEAMmates better -- and Messiah has played very well as a team this year.

Later, gents.

That's totally external to the argument. We were never talking about the best team in the league, nor are we talking about the most valuable. The argument simply is the most outstanding player in the league, and certainly Yoder isn't that. Yoder's team is undefeated right now because it has also has Harbinger. Without Harbinger, Messiah has two conference losses easily.

If you want to talk about value -- which to be honest is difficult to measure, whereas it is subjective rather than objective -- I'd give my nod to Harbinger or Curran. Curran is carrying Lebanon Valley. There's no way to define how one makes his team better, and Yoder is only sixth in the league in assists.

I'm sorry, but Yoder is by far the most over-rated player in the league. He's a great rebounder, but other than that, there is nothing impressive about him.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 31, 2007, 07:09:49 am
Messiah went down last night to Juniata, 76-67. At one point the Eagles had a 21-point lead. That's not really a shocker, given that few teams ever run the table in the MAC, despite the predictions of their fans. Plus, Juniata might well be a better team than shown by its record.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on January 31, 2007, 07:37:59 am
Juniata is a solid team. That Cannon kid is tough. It was a nice run, although it had to end sometime. Now the key for the Falcons is rebounding and playing a tough Albright team on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 01, 2007, 07:47:56 am
I saw Robinson was not in the line-up again last night. Is he injured again? Susquehanna needs him to be healthy to get that playoff spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 01, 2007, 10:27:07 am
I saw Robinson was not in the line-up again last night. Is he injured again? Susquehanna needs him to be healthy to get that playoff spot.

I haven't heard anything, maybe 'jamma has. I'm hoping it's more of a rest thing than a reinjury thing.

BTW, can I gripe a bit? I'm not normally one to whine about officiating, but I thought last night's was terrible. And I'm not saying that's the only reason SU lost, because the shots were just not falling, but sheesh. One out of bounds call went Etown's way, and I was sitting right there and it clearly should have been Crusader ball. There was a lot of bumping and shoving that got Etown some favorable calls, but not Susquehanna.

While we're talking MVPs, I'd make a case for SU's Kevin Cuff. He's right up there in the conference leaders in scoring, and he can hit shots from anywhere on the court. Plus he'll vacuum up the rebounds. Robinson is supposed to be the savior of this team, but Cuff's been carrying the team lately. Put it this way ... from what I've seen, if the game's on the line, the player I want to see with the ball in his hands is Cuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 01, 2007, 01:32:33 pm
I saw Robinson was not in the line-up again last night. Is he injured again? Susquehanna needs him to be healthy to get that playoff spot.

I haven't heard anything, maybe 'jamma has. I'm hoping it's more of a rest thing than a reinjury thing.

BTW, can I gripe a bit? I'm not normally one to whine about officiating, but I thought last night's was terrible. And I'm not saying that's the only reason SU lost, because the shots were just not falling, but sheesh. One out of bounds call went Etown's way, and I was sitting right there and it clearly should have been Crusader ball. There was a lot of bumping and shoving that got Etown some favorable calls, but not Susquehanna.

While we're talking MVPs, I'd make a case for SU's Kevin Cuff. He's right up there in the conference leaders in scoring, and he can hit shots from anywhere on the court. Plus he'll vacuum up the rebounds. Robinson is supposed to be the savior of this team, but Cuff's been carrying the team lately. Put it this way ... from what I've seen, if the game's on the line, the player I want to see with the ball in his hands is Cuff.

It's a reinjury. I heard one story that it was a result of those falls in the Widener game; the other was that it was hurt during a jogging session. Susquehanna played God awful last night, you're right: that was the worst officiating I've seen since I was in high school. (Actually, everytime they screwed one up I made a point to yell "PIAA" at them). Whoever was the smaller, younger referee should never officiate a Commonwealth (or Landmark) game again. I don't know what he was seeing out on the court there, but there were bad calls on both sides. Cohle was charged with four fouls in about a minute and a half span; only one of them would be considered a legitimate foul. They were calling shooting fouls on Okonak, Majors and Patch that were definately all-ball. Some of which were called with no contact at all -- specifically one called on Majors on a 1-on-1 near the end of the game. There were bad calls on both sides though. There was a jump ball that went Susquehanna's way when the ball was still loose behind the Etown player. There was also a three-step walk that Okonak took before draining a three that wasn't called.

THE ABSOLUTE WORST CALL
was the technical called on Coach Frank Marcinek near the end of the game when Susquehanna was nearing in on a comeback. The referee called one for delay of game I presume after the timeout. To be honest, I didn't hear a whistle and Majors was practically down the court to inbounds the ball. I've only seen one technical call blown so bad in my life, and that was a very similiar situation in a St. Joe's game a couple of years back. Okay, maybe, if it was a delay of game, you give a warning -- especially late in the ballgame when a team is coming back. No way did that warrant a technical foul. That was embarassing, and I hope someone reads this and gets hold of that tape.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 01, 2007, 01:41:19 pm

THE ABSOLUTE WORST CALL
was the technical called on Coach Frank Marcinek near the end of the game when Susquehanna was nearing in on a comeback. The referee called one for delay of game I presume after the timeout.

THAT's what that was about? It's hard to tell sometimes from where I sit. Give me a darn break.

BTW, I didn't mean to imply that all the bad calls benefitted Etown - I agree on the one on Okanak; I was amazed they let that one go by - but a lot of them did. Good to know someone agrees with me and I'm not just whining. :)

I didn't recognize any of those officials. Must be the scrub squad. :)

Between last night's game and the women's heartbreaker the night before, I wanted to tear my hair out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 01, 2007, 03:00:18 pm

THE ABSOLUTE WORST CALL
was the technical called on Coach Frank Marcinek near the end of the game when Susquehanna was nearing in on a comeback. The referee called one for delay of game I presume after the timeout.

THAT's what that was about? It's hard to tell sometimes from where I sit. Give me a darn break.


I am not entirely sure, but that's what I presumed. The officials called it before Frank took off his jacket and gestured at the ref.

I just checked the boxscore and it said it was called on Cuff. I have no idea why though, because the T was called during the timeout. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 01, 2007, 03:05:41 pm
Just another thing to scratch one's head about in the game....

Any word on how long Robinson's out this time? The end of the season's looking like the usual dogfight for playoff positioning.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 01, 2007, 04:57:49 pm
The end of the season's looking like the usual dogfight for playoff positioning.

A top-dog unexpectedly losing, E-town reviving, a Valley player hitting 9 of 11 three-point attempts to help take down a favored opponent ... it's just business as usual in the MAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 04, 2007, 10:29:45 am
Three-way tie for second place between Susquehanna, Widener and Juniata.

The Pride (sigh) really fell off the face of the MAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 06, 2007, 09:32:31 am
Looks like Messiah will be the top seed, having a three-game lead with four to go.  While the Commonwealth's eight teams can all beat each other, the Falcons have three of their remaining four at home.  So let's say that Messiah will finish first.

Now the fun starts -- who is going to finish strong and grab the second, third, and fourth seeds?  LVC is just a game out of second/, I believe, so the Flying Dutchmen could take one of them, knocking someone else out in the process.

Any prognosticators out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 12:32:49 pm
Well one would think given their remaining games that Widener can be 3-1 or at least 2-2.  But given the recent slide, I am not sure that this team is coming together. Tomorrow night's game at Albright is probably a loss, but who knows since the Lions have nearly no chance to go to the playoffs at this point.  Ditto Moravian plus it's a home game for the Pride(???), so I call this one a Pride win.  Etown, well they have two real good wins recently but will struggle with Juniata and ultimately lose in Chester. 

It will come down to the last day, and I am virtually certian Widener can't beat Messiah in Grantham unless Carideo hits some threes on his own.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 06, 2007, 06:30:02 pm
Well one would think given their remaining games that Widener can be 3-1 or at least 2-2.  But given the recent slide, I am not sure that this team is coming together. Tomorrow night's game at Albright is probably a loss, but who knows since the Lions have nearly no chance to go to the playoffs at this point.  Ditto Moravian plus it's a home game for the Pride(???), so I call this one a Pride win.  Etown, well they have two real good wins recently but will struggle with Juniata and ultimately lose in Chester. 

It will come down to the last day, and I am virtually certian Widener can't beat Messiah in Grantham unless Carideo hits some threes on his own.

C

So you're saying it will be Messiah, Susquehanna, Leb Val and the JC in the playoffs?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on February 06, 2007, 09:10:15 pm
jamma -

that's my four.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 07, 2007, 07:50:21 am
LVC is actually 2 games behind the 2nd place teams right now.

Messiah                      9-1
Juniata                        6-4
Susquehanna             6-4
Widener                      6-4
LVC                             4-6

The rest are pretty much finished except for the chance to knock off a few potential playoff teams in the last 4 games... unless Etown stays hot and wins 4 in a row to possibly get in.... don't put it past Schlosser's boys to do that, although they will have to knock off Juniata, Widener, and Messiah to do it... that is not an easy road ahead.

As for games remaining.....
Messiah still has.... Susquehanna, @ Moravian, Etown, Widener
Juniata still has... @ Etown, LVC, Susquehanna, @ Albright
Susquehanna has... @ Messiah, Albright, @ Juniata, @LVC
Widener has... @ Albright, Etown, Moravian, @ Messiah
LVC has... Moravian, @ Juniata, Albright, Susquehanna

The way I see it... Messiah is already in no matter what. If they win tonight, I believe they clinch #1 seed. I could be wrong on that though.  Out of the other 4, I think Widener has the easiest remaining games. None of them are easy, but if you look at win/loss record. Susquehanna has the toughest remaining schedule and plays three out of the last 4 away.

My predictions for the playoff seeds...
 1-  Messiah
 2- Widener
 3- Susquehanna
 4- Juniata

Susquehanna's 2 last games are huge, not only for them but for the 2 teams they are playing (Juniata and LVC). Could be a dog fight for that last playoff spot if someone other than Curran and Bert_____ can start scoring (other than an occasional 30 pt. outburst) for LVC.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 07, 2007, 08:03:14 am
Could be a dog fight for that last playoff spot if someone other than Curran and Bert_____ can start scoring (other than an occasional 30 pt. outburst) for LVC.


"Bert _____"?   ??? The LVC roster has neither a "Bert" nor an "Ernie" ....

Do you perhaps mean Bretschneider?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 07, 2007, 08:23:04 am
Sorry for the wrong LVC record.  Being 4-6 instead of 5-5 is huge.  Anyway, I'll take a stab at it...

Juniata goes 2-2, ends up at 8-6.
Widener goes 2-2, ends up at 8-6.
Susquehanna goes 1-3, ends up at 7-7.
LVC goes 3-1, ends up at 7-7.

I have LVC winning at home vs. SU in the final game, giving those two teams a split in their series.  With the complicated timebreakers, I'm not sure who would make the playoffs and who would be at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 07, 2007, 09:25:37 am
I have LVC winning at home vs. SU in the final game, giving those two teams a split in their series.  With the complicated timebreakers, I'm not sure who would make the playoffs and who would be at home.

If Robinson is in the lineup for the Crusaders, LVC doesn't have a chance in Hell of beating them. LVC has one good player. Match the league's best defender, Bryan Majors, on Curran, and Susquehanna will easily defeat them.

The Daily Item (http://www.dailyitem.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070206/SPORTS/702060316") reports that Shamokin Area's Frank Marcinek Jr., son of Susquehanna coach Frank, will be suiting up for the Crusaders next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 07, 2007, 11:06:48 am
"If Robinson is in the lineup for the Crusaders, LVC doesn't have a chance in Hell of beating them. LVC has one good player. Match the league's best defender, Bryan Majors, on Curran, and Susquehanna will easily defeat them."  --Susquejamma.

Wow!  That's a strong statement.  There haven't been many, if any, road blowouts this season, yet you're saying that if LVC enters the game with a playoff berth on the line, and playing at home, then SU won't have a problem.  I know that Robinson has proven to be a difference-maker (duh.....), but still...

Aahhhh, I love February!


Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 07, 2007, 12:51:39 pm
You mean Susquehanna is going to allow Marcinek to come back and coach again? I mean come on....

According to our faithful poster and friend... They have the 2 best overall players in the conference  AND they have the best defender in the conference.
Yet they are 6-4  in the conference. Man.... their other 2 starters and the bench must be garbage. I hope this Marcinek Jr. kid can really play.

Right susquejamma?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 07, 2007, 01:10:58 pm
"If Robinson is in the lineup for the Crusaders, LVC doesn't have a chance in Hell of beating them. LVC has one good player. Match the league's best defender, Bryan Majors, on Curran, and Susquehanna will easily defeat them."  --Susquejamma.

Wow!  That's a strong statement.  There haven't been many, if any, road blowouts this season, yet you're saying that if LVC enters the game with a playoff berth on the line, and playing at home, then SU won't have a problem.  I know that Robinson has proven to be a difference-maker (duh.....), but still...

Aahhhh, I love February!

Yes, but Lebanon Valley has been anything but stellar at home. It is 6-4, but look who've they've beaten: Juniata (12-9), Goucher (7-14), Arcadia (10-12), Elizabethtown (8-12), Montclair State (9-12) and McDaniel (9-12).


A response to Yoder (since he posted during my posting):

I love the sarcasm. (I didn't know it was allowed at Messiah). Yes, but one of those "best players" is Robinson, who has only played in four of those conference games -- at least according to the estimates off the top of my head -- and Susquehanna went 3-1 durng those four games.

And I never said Cuff was the best player in the Commonwealth with
Robinson out. I believe that was my good friend TheGrove. I think Curran is the best player besides Robinson. I also know Curran can't carry a team by himself.

And in response to the Marcinek comment: Well, I don't know what to say. I'm floored. (Not because your amazing analytics, but for how hilarious you are).  Tell me any other coach who could bring in a Missouri Valley Conference starter to a D3 team in the middle of nowhere. Sure, he's no Rickrode or Andrejcko, but he's a damn good coach.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 07, 2007, 01:20:45 pm
Quote from: S.U. Press release, dated from November
Widener received seven of eight first-place votes and earned the top spot in the preseason poll with 56 points, followed by Lebanon Valley (46 points, 1 first-place vote), Albright (41 points), defending champion Messiah (39 points), Elizabethtown (32 points), Susquehanna (31 points), Juniata (23 points) and Moravian (22 points).

Why does the MAC even do these for every sport if it is just going to screw it up every season?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 07, 2007, 01:50:43 pm
I had no intentions of disrespecting Marcinek. I have a lot of respect for him as a coach and as a man. I think he is great for their program and a great recruiter. I only wanted to make a point that maybe Susquehanna does not have the best defender and 2 best overall players. I apologize if I came across the wrong way with my sarcasm.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 07, 2007, 04:26:35 pm
I had no intentions of disrespecting Marcinek. I have a lot of respect for him as a coach and as a man. I think he is great for their program and a great recruiter. I only wanted to make a point that maybe Susquehanna does not have the best defender and 2 best overall players. I apologize if I came across the wrong way with my sarcasm.

It's cool dawg. It's hard to decipher sarcasm over the 'net. Let's hope I catch a good game(s) in Grantham!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 07, 2007, 06:20:47 pm

And I never said Cuff was the best player in the Commonwealth with
Robinson out. I believe that was my good friend TheGrove.

Well, now, easy killah. I didn't say that. I said if we're talking MVPs, Cuff should be considered as well. And I stand by my point that he's the one I want to see with the ball in his hands if the game's on the line. No disrespect to J-Rob, of course.

And we may have to prove that theory down the homestretch, unfortunately. There's no telling when Robinson will be back.

Oh, and I hate to bust your bubble, but it wasn't Marcinek that brought in "a Missouri Valley Conference starter to a D3 team in the middle of nowhere.' It was SU's business school.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 07, 2007, 11:43:11 pm
Messiah def. Susquehanna
Juniata def. Etown
Albright def. Widener
Lebanon Valley def. Moravian

Three-way tie for third and fourth place between LVC, SU and Widener.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 08, 2007, 07:36:41 am
LVC is still one game behind Susquehanna and Widener.
Messiah -  10-1
Juniata-     7-4
Susq.-        6-5
Widener-    6-5
LVC-           5-6
The rest does not matter.

I was not impressed with Susquehanna last night. They made a few runs, but Messiah was too much for them in Grantham. Cuff was not impressive at all. Hit 2 jump shots early that were tough and contested, but I was expecting a much more rounded game out of him. All he can do is shoot. When Messiah decided to pressure him and make him put the ball on the floor he was out of his comfort zone and did not do much of anything. The player I was impressed with is Patch ( I think that was his name). The thin G/F. He is a good athlete.

Addressing Majors being the best defender in the league....
   Good defender.... No doubt about it.  Best defender.... No way. He does have quick hands, but he reaches and gambles too much to be a best defender in the league. For the amount of steals he got or created (4), he also was the cause of multiple layups for Messiah when he reached and got beat.

When Yoder got in foul trouble early in the second half, Susquehanna had a chance. When he came back in, the game was over. That is the beautiful thing about Henninger and Yoder. Henninger struggles, Yoder puts in 20. Yoder struggles, Henninger puts in 20. But enough about those 2.... Messiah just flat out plays good team basketball. Look at the stats.... 7 Falcons took 5 or more shots. They know how to share the ball.

Was disapointed not to see Robinson. For Susquehanna's cause, I hope he is able to come back soon because they could have a tough time making playoffs without him.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2007, 07:51:03 am
What is the latest word on Robinson's injury?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 08, 2007, 01:56:48 pm
Let us switch the focus now from players to coaches. If Rick Van Pelt does not get coach of the year this year.... some people should get slapped. Somehow the last 2 years he did not get the nod, even though he truly deserved both of them. I believe Ferry got it 2 years ago and DoooDUH somehow got it last year. Give the man some credit when credit is due. 3 years ago Messiah was picked to finish 6 or 7 in the league and finished tied for second. Last year they were picked to finish 5th and finished 2 in regular season and won the tournament. This year they are picked 4th and are going to win the regular season. Give the man some respect.

I can only think of the analogy "Two ships passing in the night." when the voters did not see him as coach of the year before.

By the way... does anyone know if that is Steve King coaching for Messiah? The same Steve King who made the shot at Widener to win the conference? I thought I saw him on the bench and did not know if he is hurt and had a 7th year of eligibility like Casey Stitzel did at Widener or if he stayed around to coach. What is he doing with himself these days? Does he still athletic tape his whole body when he coaches?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 08, 2007, 02:21:17 pm
What is the latest word on Robinson's injury?

Last I heard (and granted, this was last Friday), they still didn't know how long it would be. I think they're waiting til it's fully healed and not taking any chances.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mac11fan on February 08, 2007, 09:43:35 pm
Yoderfan,


               If Yoder and Henninger are as good as you say, then why does Van Pelt deserve the coach of the year award. I believe the award this year goes to Greg Curley at Juniata who currently has his overachieving eagles in 2nd place.
               On the other hand i believe Messiah might be in over there heads in the playoffs if they face SU with Robinson. Messiah has no one to guard Robinson. Right now I know the crusaders are struggling but when playoffs roll around I know no one wants the Crusaders in the first round thats for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 09, 2007, 07:35:49 am
Curely would not be a bad choice. But Van Pelt has had Messiah overachieve the last 3 years. He deserves it now. The past 2 years have seen the coach of the year go to the first place team and not only is Messiah in first place, but has pretty much clinched first with 3 games left.

I agree with your comment with Susquehanna. I know if I were playing, I would not want to draw SU with Robinson in the first round or the championship round. They definitely have the capability of knocking anyone off... with or without him. They are a dangerous team with Robinson.  I just think they will have a tough time getting in IF he does not some back in time for the regular season. I am not saying they will not get in, just saying it will not be easy.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 09, 2007, 07:50:58 am
Yes, that is Steve King you see on the bench.  He joined the coaching staff this year.

http://www.messiah.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/coaches/s_king.html
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 09, 2007, 09:30:20 am
Congrats to Messiah for getting the No. 4 spot in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 09, 2007, 03:55:38 pm
Here are my picks for February 10 action...

Etown @ Widener:  Though the Pioneers continue to slide, I have to think if Etown grabs an upset here, WU is done for the year.  This is a must-win for the Pioneers, and again they'll struggle...but Widener will win it.

Albright @ Susquehanna:  Albright, by winning its last three games, could sneak into the playoffs.  But Susquehanna is hungry, with or without Robinson, so I suspect the Crusaders will get past AC.

Messiah @ Moravian:  Moravian is capable of springing the upset (as is everyone against everyone else in this league), but the Falcons have played very well on the road (except for at Juniata).  Messiah  will win.

LVC @ Juniata:  Juniata might be the toughest place to play in the Commonwealth, it seems.  Though LVC is in the playoff race, Juniata wants to grab that second seed and won't disappoint its home fans.

There you have it.  In this wacky league, if I can go 3-1 this weekend that'll be a good showing.

Anybody else care to make some picks?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 09, 2007, 06:29:13 pm
Here are my picks for February 10 action...

Etown @ Widener:  Though the Pioneers continue to slide, I have to think if Etown grabs an upset here, WU is done for the year.  This is a must-win for the Pioneers, and again they'll struggle...but Widener will win it.

Anybody else care to make some picks?

I agree with all of them, although I have a feeling about an Eclown upset. Bytheway, Widener is no longer the Pioneers; it is now the Pride.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 12, 2007, 01:37:47 pm
With LVC's big road win at Juniata, the battle for three playoff spots -- with four teams contending -- just got verrrrrrrrrrry interesting.

Current standings, with two games left:
7-5:  Juniata, Susquehanna, and Widener
6-6:  Lebanon Valley

Here our the remaining games:
JC:  SU, @AC
SU:  @JC, @LVC
WU:  MorC, @MesC
LVC:  AC, SU

I see the Tuesday games as JC d. SU, WU d. MorC, and LVC d. AC.  If that happens:
8-5:  Juniata and Widener
7-6:  Susquehanna and Lebanon Valley

It looks like the Crusaders need to get Robinson back in the line-up, if at all possible, for the two regular season games.  If SU is saving him so he's healthier for the playoff run, that could result in SU not even making the playoffs!

So, whatcha think?  Any other forecasters out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 12, 2007, 11:25:42 pm
It's about time the MAC finally got its own domain, rather than running it from Lebanon Valley's Web site.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 09:27:53 pm
Actually, the MASCAC is headquartered in Massachusetts. Whatever name the MAC wants to affect itself with, I think the Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference has a better claim to the acronym.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2007, 11:43:48 pm
Of course, the MAC into the MASCAC is a more recent incarnation.

Exactly, which is surely all that matters.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 17, 2007, 07:31:31 pm
Final standings:

1. Messiah
2. Juniata
3. Susquehanna
4. Widener
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 19, 2007, 11:16:32 am
Playoffs are set.

Messiah beat Albright in the first round of conference playoffs last year to sweep the season series 3-0. It is tough to beat a team 3 times in a year. Can Messiah do it to Widener this year or is Widener going to gain their revenge sfter last year's heart breaking conference finals loss in Chester. Will they get the last laugh at Steve King as they shake hands?

Susquehanna travels to play at Juniata. The first time they met in Selingsgrove, the Crusaders came out with a 2 point W. More recently in the middle of nowhere, Juniata came out victorious by the tune of 15. The big question in this game is... Will Mr. Robinson suit up for the Crusaders? It has been obvious they are a different team with him in the lineup. Will Juniata win their first playoff game in ages before they leave the MASCAC or will it be Susquehanna's win before they leave? This game could create a rivalry headed into the Landmark conference.

My predictions...

Messiah 64 - Widener 59
Susquehanna 73 - Juniata 70

Messiah hosting Susquehanna at Grantham.... hopefully with Mr. Robinson in the lineup so I can finally get a chance to see this kid play.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2007, 12:46:13 pm
Not gonna lie... I wouldn't mind seeing Widener pull the upset, so if Susquehanna wins they can host the final. But I don't think it's likely.

And Juniata makes me nervous, regardless of whether or not SU has "Mr. Robinson" in the lineup.

Hey 'jamma, is there going to be a good SU contingent at the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 19, 2007, 03:27:06 pm
Hey 'jamma, is there going to be a good SU contingent at the game?

I've heard a few students saying they are going to make the trip. I haven't heard anything about a student bus making the trip, so I'm guessing there won't be too many. Wednesday is a big night-class day, but I would like to see the school making an effort to get students to the championship if SU and Messiah meet Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2007, 06:52:54 pm
A reliable source just told me Robinson's still out for Wednesday. He re-aggravated the original injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: raider12 on February 19, 2007, 10:41:37 pm
A reliable source just told me Robinson's still out for Wednesday. He re-aggravated the original injury.

I heard the same thing, I aslo heard Robinson has an MRI scheduled for Thursday, SU cant get a break this year. I would have loved to see a healthy SU vs Messiah.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 20, 2007, 06:23:42 pm
A reliable source just told me Robinson's still out for Wednesday. He re-aggravated the original injury.

A really reliable source just told me that Robinson will be playing Wednesday in Huntingdon.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 21, 2007, 09:05:09 am
I would love to see an SU vs. Messiah final. Both teams have to win TOUGH games before that happens though.

Does Messiah get an at large bid if they were to lose???
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 21, 2007, 09:11:41 am
Does Messiah get an at large bid if they were to lose???

I think that would be a toss up. Probably depend on which of the other teams did not AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: FalconFan on February 21, 2007, 12:11:23 pm
Post Season conference honors :

First Team :

Jared Yoder    Messiah
Kevin Cuff    Susquehanna
Malcolm Thomas    Widener
Jimmy Curran    Lebanon Valley
Brian Cannon    Juniata

Second Team :

Essien Ford    Widener
Matt Henninger    Messiah
Joel Patch    Susquehanna
Albert Medoro    Albright
Chris Jasiota    Juniata

Player of the Year: Jared Yoder, Messiah
Rookie of the Year: Bryan Majors, Susquehanna
Co-Coaches of the Year: Greg Curly, Juniata; Rick Van Pelt, Messiah





Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 21, 2007, 12:57:11 pm
I love Jared Yoder.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 03:14:28 pm
Messiah's in pretty good shape if they lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mac11fan on February 21, 2007, 07:37:19 pm
SU 31 Juniata 24 at half
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2007, 10:29:44 pm
Messiah loses 91-84 in 2 OT to Widener for what maybe Championship week's biggest upset so far.

Messiah is probably in, popping someone else's bubble somewhere.

Widener had lost 6 of 7 entering that game.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 21, 2007, 10:55:41 pm
What a game. Will comment more in the morning
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: YoderFan on February 22, 2007, 07:49:33 am
91-84 in double overtime. It has been said that basketball is a game of runs and so it was last night in Grantham. The game opened back and forth with Henninger and Thomas going blow for blow. Both players had BIG first halfs with Henninger posting 17 at the break and Thomas dropping 14. Messiah took a 7 point lead into half-time. Widener sat in a zone all of the first half and halfway through the second to limit Jared Yoder's touches. They collapsed on him everytime he touched the ball to force a kickout. That led to Messiah shooting 18 threes in the first half and connecting on 7 of them.

The beginning of the second half saw Messiah continuing their shooting barage. Boyd got hot and knocked down a few threes to bring Widener out of the zone and give Messiah a 13+ point lead half way through the second half. Messiah held a 6 point lead with a minute remaining...

This is where Messiah's youth came out. With a minute left Widener created/was given three straight turnovers from Messiah's young guards. A poor long pass was intercepted then Messiah failed to spread out the zone press and turned the ball over 2 more times leading to Widner baskets. Somehow is was a three point game with 10 seconds left. Essien Ford hit a HUGE, contested three off of a down screen to tie the game and MEssiah was unable to score.

Yoder fouls out in the first overtime. Widener looks like it has the game won. Up 4 with less than a minute. Scrum on the floor that Messiah somehow comes up with and finds an open Henninger in the corner for 3. Widerner guard hits 1 of 2 from the line. Henninger misses a three but Daryl Brown comes up with the ball and penetrates with 7 seconds remaining, misses a contested lay-up with about 4 on the clock and follows his own miss with a tough left handed tip in. Widener misses a long shot at the buzzer.

Widener came out and dominated the second overtime. Ford and Thomas came to play. Also Neyer (spelling) Miller had a big game for the Pride.

Widener travels to Juniata for the MAC playoff championship and automatic bid on the line. Hopefully Messiah is a Pool C recipient. With the season they had, they deserve a bid. Anytime a team goes 13-1 in any conference (excet maybe the PAC), they deserve some consideration.

Anyone else at the game to touch on anything I missed? What happened at the Juniata / Susquehanna game?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 22, 2007, 10:05:04 am
I think Juniata is just a sneaky-good team. Everyone remembers the years that they sucked, and don't pay attention to the fact that they're a good team now.They're pretty big, too.

It seemed to me that Susquehanna just never got in a groove last night. I don't have the energy for a recap, but you can read the local coverage here: http://www.dailyitem.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070222/SPORTS02/702220335.

Juniata has itself a very good home atmosphere. It's a close, hot, LOUD gym. Just one question - since when do eagles have hands and hairy legs?  :D (If you've seen their mascot, you know what I mean)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mac11fan on February 25, 2007, 12:01:04 am
Congrats Widener

Any Predictions for next Season?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 12:47:46 am
Messiah does not deserve to make it into the tourney.  Weak schedule and loss to very average team in Widener.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 25, 2007, 08:07:57 am
Messiah does not deserve to make it into the tourney.  Weak schedule and loss to very average team in Widener.

Someone at Eastern University sounds just a teensy bit jealous.  We'll see how it all plays out...

Congratulations to Widener -- the Pride won two road games this week at a couple of tough places to play well!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 25, 2007, 11:02:40 am
Messiah does not deserve to make it into the tourney.  Weak schedule and loss to very average team in Widener.

Someone at Eastern University sounds just a teensy bit jealous.  We'll see how it all plays out...

Congratulations to Widener -- the Pride won two road games this week at a couple of tough places to play well!
Jealousy is there because my team doesn't ever get in, but I'm trying to look at it objectively.  Messiah hasn't beaten anybody great, just good teams, IMHO:  Richard Stockton, Widener, Juniata, and Susquehanna.  They lost close games to the following good-not-great teams: Mary Washington, Cal Lutheran, Hood, Juniata, and Widener.  They lost one close game to a very good team in Centre, but it was out of region, I believe.  Additionally, Messiah couldn't win when it counted this week.

I just think that there are better teams in the wings that won't get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bziadie on February 28, 2007, 04:55:23 pm
For those who may be interested in watching the game but are unable to attend, King's will be videostreaming an on-campus broadcast of the game live on the internet.

The game will videostreamed live on the internet by KCTV LIVE at http://my.kings.edu.  The NCAA's official championship Web site - www.ncaasports.com - shall also provide a link to the event.

If you go to the King's link above, click on KCTV LIVE on the lower right hand side of the page, click on the KCTV LIVE link. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 11:49:59 pm
Hey guys, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by Friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Would someone here be willing to do one for Messiah and Widener? I saw them both two years ago back when I lived in the "area", but that's a REALLY long time in the life of a college program, so any attempt I'd make at a preview would be really dumb! Please? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 12:48:09 pm
Well, we've got Messiah (thanks!) but we're still missing Widener! Please? Someone? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 03:18:18 pm
BTW, just a reminder that D3hoops.com is broadcasting the Catholic regional and Johns Hopkins regional for NCAASports.com.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 12:32:43 am
Begs pitifully...

The unofficial Posters guide to the 2006-2007 Men's Basketball Tourney is done!

http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney

We are still, however, missing Widener in our Poster Preview, which is a terrible, terrible shame. If you want to get your stuff into me on this board: http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0 or via PM I will be more than happy to add it to the site and PDF document! Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: MR. PAC on March 06, 2007, 03:40:45 pm
If Alvernia gets in the mac commonwealth. I think Alvernia would be a contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:13:49 pm
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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 07:32:03 pm

Greetings! Just wondering when wt will make an appearance and weigh in and opine on the coming season in any of the Mid-Atlantic conferences. Are you out there? Things must be very quiet in Annville! What is the outlook for the Flying Dutchmen?

Regards,

Eric
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 18, 2007, 12:07:29 am
Caught the NJCU Lyco game tonight.  Good game, NJCU wins but let Lyco get back into the game towards the end.  The Knights did a good job at the line at the end of the game when lyco had to foul.  NJCU is starting to look better, they had good ball movement tonight, played good defense, the press was very effective.  I only caught the second half, but NJCU had the lead and did not give it up.

Lyco has a decent starting five, a couple of good shooters, number 1 and 12 started and were dangerous from outside.  Number 30 came in off the bench and has a real nice shot.  Number 12 is also kind of sneaky, he just seemed to come out of no where a couple of times and make a play.  Lyco does not do a good job against the press, and tried a half-hearted press a couple of times.  They are not bad in their zone d.  They also had good ball movement when they could get into their half court offense, very patient, worked for the shot, and followed up nicely.  NJCU was able to run them into the ground some.  From what I saw Lyco should do fairly well against half court teams but will struggle if you make them run and press them on D.  William Paterson and Ramapo could drive them nuts.

Good game, fun to watch and a nice win for NJCU going into the break,.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 12, 2008, 03:23:59 pm
Wow... quiet in here...

Just wanted to get a reaction to the Rutgers - Tennessee women's game yesterday.  It appears as though Lebanon Valley's old game clock guy has moved to Tennessee.

With 0.2 left, and Rutgers up 1, the clock MYSTERIOUSLY stopped.  Then, the eventual game-changing foul was called, and the clock restarted.  Haven't seen anything like it, since, um, about '94.  Eh, Warren?  :o)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2008, 04:14:45 pm
Wow... quiet in here...

Just wanted to get a reaction to the Rutgers - Tennessee women's game yesterday.  It appears as though Lebanon Valley's old game clock guy has moved to Tennessee.

With 0.2 left, and Rutgers up 1, the clock MYSTERIOUSLY stopped.  Then, the eventual game-changing foul was called, and the clock restarted.  Haven't seen anything like it, since, um, about '94.  Eh, Warren?  :o)

Well now, Colonel, I do believe you've confused March 1994 in Buffalo with a more recent football playoff game in Virginia wherein the Bridgewater clock operator may have done some strange things with his start/stop buttons, thus allowing Bridgewater to pull out a last-second win.

In Buffalo, it was a different matter altogether, one that just might have involved an entity from the "other side" ("Hot Dog Frank" looks after his own, in case you didn't know).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2008, 05:14:47 pm
Wow... quiet in here...

Just wanted to get a reaction to the Rutgers - Tennessee women's game yesterday.  It appears as though Lebanon Valley's old game clock guy has moved to Tennessee.

With 0.2 left, and Rutgers up 1, the clock MYSTERIOUSLY stopped.  Then, the eventual game-changing foul was called, and the clock restarted.  Haven't seen anything like it, since, um, about '94.  Eh, Warren?  :o)


Some people do have bionic hands and can't help the quickbuzz either ehh...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 15, 2008, 08:00:21 am
March '94 in Buffalo... absolutely.  And say what you will about Hot Dog Frank, his statue still bears a title ring.

The Giants fan in me is now required to say, "And that's one more ring than Tiki Barber has."
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on February 20, 2008, 03:35:05 pm
How about Lycoming coming in and winning the Commonwealth Regular Season? Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 22, 2008, 10:42:26 am
Without knowing much about Lycoming at the beginning of the season, my guess is thqt the other CC members though Lyco may be one of the two teams that would be ending their season on Saturday.  Well, if we haven't learned anything else, at least we're reminded that "that's why we play the games."

It's been one wacky season.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on February 22, 2008, 06:14:55 pm
"Without knowing much about Lycoming at the beginning of the season, my guess is thqt the other CC members though Lyco may be one of the two teams that would be ending their season on Saturday."

I'm sure the other Commonwealth members took note that Lyco had everyone back from last season, where they finished 13-12. Also, Lyco has been one of the top 4 teams in the Freedom since 2002 where they won the conference in '02 and '04.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on February 24, 2008, 03:56:15 am
And, unless I missed something, I think the Warriors welcome nearly the entire team back next season too.  The bball season was all over the place - with any team having a legitimate chance to knock off one another.  It is hard to make sense of it except to say that the team with the hot hand seems to be the one who wins, regardless of record or other considerations.

Go Warriors!  Defeat the Dutchmen.

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:20:08 am
I have seen Lyco play a few times of the last several years and the one thing I notice every time is they need to be better conditioned.  Good shooters, good zone defenders and good rebounders.  You force them out of their half-court game and they start to suck wind.  I am not saying they can't stop a running team, they can.  I just feel if they were better conditioned they could take that next step.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 05, 2008, 05:18:30 pm
Information (teams, tickets, directions, accommodations, etc.) for Widener fans:

http://www.guilford.edu/sports/mbasketball/ncaa/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:33:30 pm
Feature on the front page of interest to Final Four participants and fans here.

Faces of a champion (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/index.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on June 27, 2008, 12:29:29 pm
I see Lycoming College hired a new head coach, Guy Rancourt from Stony Brook. does anyone else know who the other finalists were, and anything about Coach Rancourt? Looks like it was a good hire for Lycoming, as he brings experience as a head d3 coach and assistant d1 coach prior to arriving at Lycoming.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2008, 12:09:21 pm
Now that is July 1st.  Usually the beginning of some new fiscal years. Does anyone have any idea how the new MAC is going to be situated now that the 3 former PAC(now CSAC) members have moved?  Is it going to be based on location? or some other situation.  I didn't see anything in the thread.  Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2008, 12:30:48 pm
I did look at some of the up coming schedules for schools in MAC not all schedules are complete.   ???  It looks as if some schedules are unbalanced.  If you look at Del Val's schedule in Freedom they have 16 conference games in men's BBall.  Shouldn't there only be 14 for 8 members; or are the conferences going to be unequal for the upcoming year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2008, 12:52:03 pm
Where is this schedule to look at?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2008, 01:41:10 pm
I went to Del Val website.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on July 01, 2008, 01:45:17 pm
Oops  :-[ http://www.delval.edu/athletics/basketball_m/schedule0809.htm (http://www.delval.edu/athletics/basketball_m/schedule0809.htm)

It does say subject to change.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on July 10, 2008, 09:19:06 am
Arcadia moves from the Freedom to the Commonwealth, giving the CC seven members this year.  The other nine are in the Freedom.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 30, 2008, 08:13:30 pm
Who does everyone think the early favorites to win the league are?

I think 3 of my top 4 would be Widener, Leb Val, and Albright. Maybe Lyco for the 4th team. I feel that this could be a very good year for Leb Val and expect their bigs Shinn and Dunkelberger (both Juniors) to have big years along with Enoch and Hodge.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 01, 2008, 12:06:29 am
Here's an interesting Delaware County (Pa.) Times article (http://www.delcotimes.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19880061&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6) on how Widener is preparing for next season.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: NeedHelpD on November 03, 2008, 01:33:56 pm
Just wondering why this board is so dead compared to many other D3 hoops boards.  Fan following relatively weak in the MAC Commonwealth?  Or lots of fans but they don't waste time on message boards?  ;)  Just curious, as I'm new to the area and have always enjoyed D3 basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 03, 2008, 03:23:36 pm
Just wondering why this board is so dead compared to many other D3 hoops boards.  Fan following relatively weak in the MAC Commonwealth?  Or lots of fans but they don't waste time on message boards?  ;)  Just curious, as I'm new to the area and have always enjoyed D3 basketball.

MAC Commonwealth students are, as always, busy studying (I can't speak for MAC Freedom students). Older fans are busy earning a living and putting beans in the pot.

It's usually only us old-fart retirees who sometimes share our meandering thoughts ....  ::)  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: old ends on November 03, 2008, 06:18:39 pm
Just wondering why this board is so dead compared to many other D3 hoops boards.  Fan following relatively weak in the MAC Commonwealth?  Or lots of fans but they don't waste time on message boards?  ;)  Just curious, as I'm new to the area and have always enjoyed D3 basketball.

MAC Commonwealth students are, as always, busy studying (I can't speak for MAC Freedom students). Older fans are busy earning a living and putting beans in the pot.

It's usually only us old-fart retirees who sometimes share our meandering thoughts ....  ::)  ;)

Which gets some interesting responses, since I to am gray on top, whats left that is.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2008, 05:47:02 pm
Just wondering why this board is so dead compared to many other D3 hoops boards.  Fan following relatively weak in the MAC Commonwealth?  Or lots of fans but they don't waste time on message boards?  ;)  Just curious, as I'm new to the area and have always enjoyed D3 basketball.

Hey, we need every new poster we can get, so welcome aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: NeedHelpD on November 10, 2008, 09:35:08 am

Hey, we need every new poster we can get, so welcome aboard!

Glad to be here.  Thanks!

So here's a general question about the MAC Commonwealth  --- which of the schools currently in the league has the best basketball tradition?  I realize that's a really vague, subjective question.  But over the last 10-20 years say, which program(s) have pretty consistently had a competitive team?  My sense is there aren't one or two dominant programs in this league, which is cool in a way.  But are there programs with realistic aspirations toward national success, i.e., with the potential to make deep runs in the NCAAs?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 11, 2008, 01:13:54 pm
Over the last 10-20 years LVC has to be at the top of the list with Etown and Widener following them up
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 03, 2008, 03:42:25 pm
This place is dead! Are there any fans from the MACC schools. Leb Val? Arcadia? Etown? WAKE UP!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 11, 2008, 09:27:44 pm
Alvernia to the Commonwealth next season. Should be fun. Tough matchups every night with LVC, Etown, Albright, Lyco, etc. No easy ones to be had.

With that move, is football next at the Vern?

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 17, 2008, 05:16:07 pm
Any thoughts regarding Alvernia at Lebanon Valley and Lycoming hosting Cabrini?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on January 22, 2009, 10:15:24 pm
Anyone back from break?
Elizabethtown overwhelmed Lebanon Valley.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 01, 2009, 01:29:03 am
Look at Widener's record for the past 3 seasons not shabby.  Check it out.
Give credit where its due.  come on now.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: chizwiz on February 19, 2009, 03:32:30 pm
It's gonna be nice for EU not having to play Alvernia twice (or even once) a year.  No disrespect meant to Alvernia, just not a good record by EU against them.  I hope they mix it up in the Commonwealth next year.

To the rest of the Commonwealth schools - enjoy recruiting against them.  Although I'm not so sure Alvernia is pulling from the same group of students that the rest of you are.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 22, 2009, 08:01:12 pm
It's gonna be nice for EU not having to play Alvernia twice (or even once) a year.  No disrespect meant to Alvernia, just not a good record by EU against them.  I hope they mix it up in the Commonwealth next year.

To the rest of the Commonwealth schools - enjoy recruiting against them.  Although I'm not so sure Alvernia is pulling from the same group of students that the rest of you are.

Strange Chiz, Alvernia made for some great games.   I was hoping they would play the Cabrini out of conference.   The Vern is a classic place to play and they did have a good pipeline for recruiting from their sources in Southeast Pa over the years.  Hey Chiz you need to go for a drink at new place that used to be the Cemetary when you head to the Vern.  Makes fun with Jon and the guys. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:39:14 pm
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 05, 2009, 11:21:34 pm
Programming note...

We will work with the NCAA to broadcast all the games from the Widener men's basketball regional this weekend where Pride will try to defend home court and advance to the sectionals.  You can tune into the games here (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach C on March 07, 2009, 11:06:25 am
What?  The Cemetery closed?!?! Jeez. Now I'll never be able to get home from Alvernia.  I don't know a way home that doesn't have 'take a left and stop at the Cemetery for a few cold ones' in the directions.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on March 07, 2009, 08:33:54 pm
Salem State up by 2 with a little over 1 min. left to play
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on March 07, 2009, 08:36:01 pm
47 ticks left... Widener ball, they trail by 2 66-64.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on March 07, 2009, 08:51:49 pm
Salem State wins 69-67
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 05:01:25 pm
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on April 17, 2009, 12:33:47 pm


Folks -

Here are some general obersvations from a thirty-plus year fan of D-III Mens Basketball in the old Middle Atlantic Conference and the newer Centennial Conference in the Mid-Altantic Region.

It is nice to see that Mike Rhoades is moving up from Division III to an assistant coach at a Division I program. His departure will be a big loss to the RMC program. He is one of those rare individuals who truly shows that you can successfully balance competitiveness and success and still be a class act!

When Mike played at Lebanon Valley, he was one of those great players that opponents loved to hate, but who opponents and their fans ultimately respected for his abilities and drive. This assessment comes from a long-time F&M fan who saw Mike's Flying Dutchmen squad beat is beloved Diplomats several times both in Lancaster and Annville.

Both congratulations and condolences are certainly due to Mike after what I am sure has been a very tough year with the early loss of his father Pennsylvania State Senator James Rhoades in a tragic automobile accident!

Eric

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach K on June 21, 2009, 10:17:36 am
Any word on recruiting in the Commonwealth conference this year? Who looks to be the favorite next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 22, 2009, 10:41:53 am
Any word on recruiting in the Commonwealth conference this year?

For an update on LVC recruitment, go to the following:

http://blogs.lvc.edu/Athletics

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 22, 2009, 05:12:35 pm
We also linked to an article about Leb Val's recruiting class through our "What we're reading" section the front page.

http://www.publish2.com/newsgroups/d3hoops/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 22, 2009, 06:28:39 pm
We also linked to an article about Leb Val's recruiting class through our "What we're reading" section the front page.

http://www.publish2.com/newsgroups/d3hoops/

Thanks for that information.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 23, 2009, 11:19:28 pm
No problem.  And Leb Val posted a release on its recruiting class off our front page, so now there's info a plenty. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: G-manWU on December 07, 2009, 11:30:34 pm
No one has posted on here in over 120 days, and the season has already started? Sheesh....

Anyway, I plan on heading out to Williamsport this weekend to see Wilkes in action at Lycoming. In my years of working with Wilkes football, I had always seen a restaurant called "The Pub" across the street from the Lyco campus. I've heard good reviews of the place and want to stop there on Saturday, but I cannot reach them by phone, and their website apparently has not bene updated in some time.

Dose anyone out there know if "The Pub" is still in operation these days?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Coach K on December 09, 2009, 08:41:45 am
I will put up the 2nd post in 120+days, where are all the Alvernia fans? The vern is off to a 7-1 start, and beat Elizabethtown. This is a real good start for them, and a big turnaround from last season. Has anyone seen any of their games?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on December 10, 2009, 12:09:44 pm
Has anyone seen Widener play?  They seem to be always good.  But how are they this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 18, 2010, 08:32:26 am
G-man,

I am not sure if "The Pub" is still in operation - it has been since we left for Japan that I was last on campus (2006) but it was quite the place during my time and beyond.

Another site worth checking out is "The Bullfrog Brewery" where they make and serve their own micro-brews and serve up some good chow.

On another note - The Warriors seem to be among the elite of their conference in men's basketball this season.

One complaint - they are listed second to Albright on the MAC league standings with identical won-loss records and holding the edge in head-to-head contests.

What's up with that?

I usually stay on the football post but saw your query and wanted to provide a data point even if it might be a wee late.

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 18, 2010, 09:09:34 am
The Commonwealth and Freedom standings are automatically generated - the software isn't smart enough to determine tiebreakers (i.e. head-to-head).

At this point, it really doesn't matter though.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on January 18, 2010, 09:57:38 am
At this point, it looks like anyone can beat anyone (except perhaps for Arcadia, though they'll surprise someone and hand them a loss that they can't afford).  Hope it continues for the next six weeks...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 18, 2010, 06:02:57 pm
The Commonwealth and Freedom standings are automatically generated - the software isn't smart enough to determine tiebreakers (i.e. head-to-head).

At this point, it really doesn't matter though.

It must matter somewhat - read next under for illumination.

"This has been taken care of. When the final games results are posted, final
rankings will also be posted.
 
Katie Imes
Assistant Executive Director
Middle Atlantic, Commonwealth and Freedom Conference
Lebanon Valley College
 
Office: [717] 867-6396
Fax: [717] 867-6399
www.mascac.org
_______________________________________ _
From: Andrews, Ken
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:44 AM
To: 'jacklea@cox.net'
Cc: Imes, Katie
Subject: MAC RANKINGS
 
I have sent to our web site manager...Ken
 
Ken Andrews, MAC Executive Director
Commonwealth, Freedom, and Middle Atlantic Conferences
Lebanon Valley College
101 North College Avenue
Annville, PA  17003-0501
 
Office:    717-867-6395
Fax:        717-867-6399
Cel:        717-649-1868
E-Mail:  andrews@lvc.edu
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jacklea@cox.net [jacklea@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Andrews, Ken
Subject: MAC RANKINGS
 
Ken,
 
A check of the current MAC men's basketball rankings lists Albright atop with
Lycoming next although both have identical won-loss records.
 
Since Lycoming beat Albright shouldn't the number one spot belong to the
Warriors?"

I mean, if it really doesn't matter than why not just total it all up at the end?

Attention to detail breeds success.

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 18, 2010, 07:21:08 pm
The Commonwealth and Freedom standings are automatically generated - the software isn't smart enough to determine tiebreakers (i.e. head-to-head).

At this point, it really doesn't matter though.

It must matter somewhat - read next under for illumination.

It obviously matters to you.

But, it's not critical to be worrying about tiebreakers with a month left to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 18, 2010, 08:42:52 pm
All right, with an eye towards clearing things up.  My point is if you are going to have standings let them be accurate.  In major league baseball they even account for 1/2 game differences - not that I am suggesting anything that precise be used in this case.

The word critical never even came to mind until you posted it.

Naturally it matters to me - full disclosure - proud alumni - former member of the Alumni Board.

Regardless, if the team did not merit the change the MAC administrators would have had nothing to correct. 

Making a mountain out of a molehill - perhaps, but at least my point is substantiated by facts and not opinion - and as John Adams is famous for saying, " Facts are stubborn things."

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on January 19, 2010, 09:30:23 am
I would submit that it''s typical to list teams alphabetically when they are tied -- thus, A comes before L, so Albright is listed before Lycoming.

The fact is, at this point, the two teams are indeed tied.  The tiebreaker rules are only applied at the end of the season -- not in the middle.

Are you proposing that, say, at some point in the season, everyone is 5-5 (I know, unlikely, but mathematically possible).  You want the conference office to take the hours needed figure out the iebreakedrs to list them in tie-breaker order?  That basically is what you are wanting.

Let's play out the season and then apply any tiebrekaers needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 19, 2010, 06:54:17 pm
Good repartee.

I will grant you your point if multiple teams are involved if you will cede me my point when there are only two.

Your example about time is worthy of consideration but this real-world circumstance, as opposed to your hypothetical example, was about head-to-head competition - therefore no midnight hours toiling in the MAC hq needed. 

In fact, I supplied all the mathematical calculations for the MAC people and will be happy to continue whenever Lycoming's interests are involved.

Here's hoping the Warriors make things easy for all concerned and merely win out and then we can all exhale and get back to talking smack about football instead of basketball.

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 30, 2010, 05:42:21 pm
Well, I did not hear the game nor have I had a chance to read the post script but it appears Albright beats Lycoming 84-80 to take sole possession of the league lead.

It must have been an intense game and I hope the Warriors will take this close loss and win out the rest of the way to set up a chance to win the league and MAC crown and perhaps get into the NCAA tournament.

Congrats to Albright now, Go Warriors always!

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on January 30, 2010, 06:12:46 pm
Well, I did not hear the game nor have I had a chance to read the post script but it appears Albright beats Lycoming 84-80 to take sole possession of the league lead.

Not according to the standings on the MAC website.

Check that - they are fixed.

Whew!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 09, 2010, 03:13:38 pm
This is a train wreck == unbelievably complicated but you just can't take your eyes off it:

Lycoming 7-3
Albright 7-3
Elizabethtown 6-4
Messiah 6-4
Alvernia 5-5 
Lebanon Valley 5-5
Widener 4-6
Arcadia 0-10
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2010, 04:46:54 pm
luvdahoops, thanks for the assist setting up the Matrix.  I'll throw a little karma your way. 

I did a Matrix for the PAC each of the last few years we were there and now that we're in the Commonwealth I'll post one here for the last four games of the season.

Commonwealth Matrix (http://"http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2010/2/10/09-10_MB_Matrix.pdf")

This will be updated the evening of each conference date for the remainder of the regular season.  Feel free to use it as you prognosticate on the season's finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 12, 2010, 08:49:56 am
luvdahoops, thanks for the assist setting up the Matrix.  I'll throw a little karma your way. 

I did a Matrix for the PAC each of the last few years we were there and now that we're in the Commonwealth I'll post one here for the last four games of the season.

Commonwealth Matrix (http://"http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2010/2/10/09-10_MB_Matrix.pdf")

This will be updated the evening of each conference date for the remainder of the regular season.  Feel free to use it as you prognosticate on the season's finish.

Hey Jon,   we sure do miss you and your matrix in the PAC !  Wish I was traveling up to the PE center to play you guys.  You always worked hard on that matrix with insight and understanding.  I hope to get up there soon even if the cemetary is gone.  Have fun stay loose.  Thank you for your hardwork past and present.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2010, 08:35:56 pm
WolfCSAC,

The Cemetery is now replace by a bar that actually turns the lights on!  Come on over and check it out.

The Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2010/2/10/09-10_MB_Matrix.pdf) has been reloaded.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2010, 09:39:10 am
I'm hoping this room is largely comprised of more readers than writers, cause for the last few years it has been lagging behind the other Mid-Atlantic Region rooms.

The Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2010/2/10/09-10_MB_Matrix.pdf) is updated through Feb. 16.

I can only hope the rest of the Alvernia / Albright games are half as entertaining as the one last night at the Bollman Center.  Here are a few versions if you weren't able to make it out last night, or you didn't tune into the webcast.

Alvernia Story (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/news/2010/2/16/MBB_0217102713.aspx?path=mbasket)

Albright Story (http://albrightathletics.com/news/2010/2/16/MBB_0216102024.aspx)

Reading Eagle Story (http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=196782)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2010, 10:15:56 am
It's almost unbelievable how competitive the Commonwealth Conference is.  With only six games remaining on the schedule only two teams are guaranteed playoff spots (Albright & Lycoming), and only one team is eliminated (Arcadia).

This information is my best read on the conference playoffs and won't be official until confirmed by the league office.

Albright and Lycoming are both assured home games next Wednesday.  Messiah could catch Lyco at 9-5, but it's Lyco's tie-breaker.

That leaves Alvernia, Etown, Leb Val, Messiah, and Widener alive for two road playoff openers.  All five could finish at 7-7, and that scenario still has some ironing out to do.

Both games Thursday will go a long way toward straightening things out.  Lycoming is at Etown and Lebanon Valley is at Messiah.

With both Alvernia and Lebanon Valley at 6-6 and with a game against each other, seven wins is a minimum to get in.  That means Alvernia (6-7) and Widener (6-7) need to win Saturday to be considered.

Any ties at 8-6 still need the top two teams to be determined.  Etown looks good if Albright is the top seed, Leb Val looks good if it's Lycoming.

Speaking of top seeds, and this is there the league office will weigh in, Lycoming is on top if a tie for third can't be broken and it goes to point differential (+1).  Otherwise, records vs. potential third place teams are still to be determined.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on February 17, 2010, 05:20:35 pm
Jon,

I feel like Carey Elwes in the movie the "Princess Bride" where he says, "Clearly you have a dizzying intellect."

That is some masterpiece of schedule divining - naturally I fancy the Warriors all the way.  But the truth of the matter is you just cannot predict how the ball is going to bounce this season with the upsets and results throughout the season.

It seems a shame that Lycoming and Albright both have nearly twenty wins and the way the D-III tournament is arranged only one team, the MAC tournament winner, will advance to the NCAA bracket.

I suppose if there were millions of dollars of TV revenue at stake then the NCAA might consider expanding the tournament to truly be a nation-wide challenge.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2010, 04:47:02 pm
You wish to surrender to me?  Very well, I accept.

Don't give up just yet on a Commonwealth at-large bid.  When the strength of schedule was first released a few weeks ago we had four teams in the top 20 and that didn't even include Lyco, which was leading the conference at that time.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on February 21, 2010, 07:25:50 am
At the end of it all both Lycoming and Albright were tied at 10-4 with the tie-breaker going to Lycoming, despite the fact that alphabetically A comes before L.

It appears that Albright is struggling a bit at the end of the season having one a nail-biter in OT and losing its last game.

Lycoming defeated Messiah and Widener to end.

What does this mean - not a thing without two more victories in the tournament.

But - a conference championship is still an accomplishment not to be easily dismissed.

Here's to some continued Warrior magic, luck, and most importantly, good shooting - GO WARRIORS!

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on February 21, 2010, 11:56:10 am
Based on results of the last two weeks, I'm thinking that all four playoff teams have a reasonable chance to get the AQ. While you need to give the home teams a couple points advantage for the home floor and fans, the visitors are indeed capable of winning on the road.  And VanPelt and Schlosser seem to find ways to win...  Should be an outstanding tournament.  I wish it was Wednesday already.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on February 28, 2010, 07:30:19 am
Albright seems to have Lycoming's number as they defeated the Warriors on their home gym last night to win the MAC tournament.

Congratulations to Albright.

The Warriors killed themselves with very poor field goal shooting although their freethrows were phenomenal.

Here's hoping the NCAA considers a 21-6 record good enough for a Pool C invite.

Albright - best of luck, make the MAC proud!

ATB
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: luvdahoops on March 01, 2010, 12:07:10 pm
Congrats to Albirght on getting a chance to host, and to Lycoming for making the bracket.  Hope that you both go far in the tourney.  It's a great time of year.

Messiah apparently came close to getting in as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bjayfan on November 19, 2010, 05:16:41 pm
Another season of Commonwealth hoops is under way.  Etown takes the season opener on the road at Penn State Harrisburg.  I'm hoping Coach Schlosser and the gang can make some noise this year.  What does everyone think of the preseason coaches picks?

2010 Commonwealth Conference Menís Basketball Preseason Poll
1. Albright 45 pts. (3)
2. Lycoming 43 pts. (4)
3.Widener 36 pts. (1)
4. Alvernia 29 pts.
5. Elizabethtown 28 pts.
6. Messiah 19 pts.
7. Lebanon Valley 16 pts.
8. Arcadia 8 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 19, 2010, 07:38:35 pm
I'm at the Widener game right now.  They're not particularly talented, but they're young, deep, physical, and well drilled.  They could make some noise perhaps.  Backup PG, Radomicki is short, but he really sees the floor well and plays with confidence; definitely a freshman to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 20, 2010, 10:49:32 am
Albright struggled in their loss to Elmira(4-21 last year), as the shorter Elmira players out-scrapped Albright.  I was disappointed; I was hoping to see an F&M/Albright final tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bjayfan on November 24, 2010, 03:19:27 pm
Interesting early reports on Widener and Albright.  Etown is sitting at 3-1 now after winning their home opener last night, but they have been trailing by at least 9 in all of their past 3 games, so they haven't been pretty wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bjayfan on November 29, 2010, 01:44:06 pm
Etown opens up conference play at Leb Val on Wednesday night.  Both teams come in at 4-1 and they have both beat Del Val and Penn State Harrisburg, although Leb Val has had a slightly larger margin of victory in both games.  Anyone have any info on how Leb Val has looked so far this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on January 08, 2011, 12:47:52 pm
Here's to hoping this gets read.  Judging by recent posting history I may only be wishing bjayfan a happy day.

If two inches of snow closes your street and you can't make it out to the PEC, Etown @ Alvernia is available LIVE in the intraweb.

LIVE STATS - http://www.sidearmstats.com/alvernia/mbball (http://www.sidearmstats.com/alvernia/mbball)
LIVE VIDEO - http://athletics.alvernia.edu/showcase (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/showcase)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2011, 12:52:28 pm
You'd get more bang for your buck posting those links to our scoreboard, which gets several thousand page views a day.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 29, 2011, 12:29:49 am
Just saw the Wiedner buzzer beater against Leb Valley on ESPNEWS! Looked like about 65 feet!  Awesome.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 29, 2011, 08:56:23 am
Just saw the Wiedner buzzer beater against Leb Valley on ESPNEWS! Looked like about 65 feet!  Awesome.

This is the second year in a row that Widener took down the Dutchmen on a long buzzer-beater.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2011, 10:22:17 am
Just saw the Wiedner buzzer beater against Leb Valley on ESPNEWS! Looked like about 65 feet!  Awesome.

Nearly two weeks later and it ends up on ESPNews? Crazy. I didn't even put it on our front page because of how old it is. But for anyone who wants to see it again, it's in our Buzzer Beaters section.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bjayfan on January 31, 2011, 10:17:34 am
I saw the buzzer beater on ESPN top 10 as well.  #3 on the list.

In other news, Etown used a huge second half to put a hurting to Alvernia this past Saturday and are now only a game behind Alvernia for first in the conference.  The Blue Jay's have been playing some pretty good basketball recently.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:16:01 pm
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 05, 2011, 09:59:48 pm
Looks like the way to get feedback in this room is have a buzzer beater.

The Commonwealth Men's Basketball Matrix is up to date through Saturday's games.  I will make every effort to update it on game nights.

Click this link to see THE MATRIX
 (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2011/1/28/10-11_MB_Matrix.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2011, 03:12:23 pm
Matrix updated through Wednesday night.

Click this link to see THE MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2011/1/28/10-11_MB_Matrix.pdf)

I'm going to just continue to rack up posts this way...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:30:12 pm
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 07:37:59 pm
Hey Jon, congratulations on another Matrix sure do miss your nice matrices these days no one seems to post them on the board over in the CSAc  there are no posters from any other schools it seems.

Hope you are well, congratulations to your guys, having a great season never know when we will meet up again.  Coach M. is in my prayers ....hope you guys do well for him and continue your traditions.  Never know where we all end up in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 07:38:59 pm
OK, whats up with Widener?   Are they in  or just in and are they going to make noise in the playoffs or what?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2011, 08:25:59 pm
They are in - #3 I believe to play Lebanon Valley on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Wolfpac on February 20, 2011, 08:34:00 pm
Thx again....big Dave from Hoopsville.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:35:09 pm
Anytime Wolfpac...

Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 04, 2011, 09:17:18 am
Good luck tonight to Alvernia as they take on Randolph-Macon! 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 05, 2011, 08:20:26 am
Alvernia played their hearts out last night to be beaten in OT, but they gave it one heck of a go!  Congratulations on the effort, and darn near beating Randolph Macon.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 05, 2011, 09:47:22 am
Good luck tonight to Lebanon Valley College in their ECAC South game!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 06, 2011, 08:25:40 am
Ditto my previous post!  GO Lebanon Valley!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 06, 2011, 04:28:26 pm
ECAC South 2011 Men's Championship goes to - Lebanon Valley College - Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2011, 06:26:21 pm
The Mid-Atlantic Shuffle continues: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/05/stevenson-hood-join-mac
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 05, 2011, 07:03:07 pm
Are Stevenson and Hood both joining the Commonwealth?  If so, I'd expect someone to eventually shift back over to the Freedom to keep things numerically balanced.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2011, 10:51:37 pm
That is what the releases said. The MAC hadn't posted its own release last I saw. Agreed but then again, maybe they don't want an odd number in each conference, since that's a scheduling headache.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 15, 2011, 09:16:39 am
Heading to the Etown v Penn State Harrisburg game tonight (local high school kids I use to watch play for Penn State Harrisburg). Saw Penn State Harrisburg scrimmage York College last week and let me just say, while they have no height (maybe 2 or 3 guys 6-3) they get after it. No clue how they have the players there that they do (for a branch campus) but they split 2 halves with York College. Let me be the first to call the upset 76-67 Penn State Harrisburg over Etown.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on November 15, 2011, 09:54:09 pm
Will it be an upset? E-town is really young.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 15, 2011, 11:31:08 pm
Heading to the Etown v Penn State Harrisburg game tonight (local high school kids I use to watch play for Penn State Harrisburg). Saw Penn State Harrisburg scrimmage York College last week and let me just say, while they have no height (maybe 2 or 3 guys 6-3) they get after it. No clue how they have the players there that they do (for a branch campus) but they split 2 halves with York College. Let me be the first to call the upset 76-67 Penn State Harrisburg over Etown.

I was off in my prediction above as Etown was defeated 76-63, not my guess of 76-67. If you have a chance to get to see penn State Harrisburg play, i would. There are very fun to watch and may play faster than alot of teams I have seen in recent years. i think they have Catholic next, should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 15, 2011, 11:43:06 pm
Will it be an upset? E-town is really young.

In my opinion it was; the NEAC was somehting like 2 and 60 verse out of conference opponents last year, Harrisburg is only in their second year as a D3 school, game was at Etown. Who knows Researved Seat, maybe it wasn't but this team will win games out of their league this year. Side note, in 20 years of playing and some high school coaching, I never saw a coach let his players just play and make plays as the Harrisburg coach.

*Not an Etown fan or Harrisburg fan* just wanted to see some local former high school kids.

Good luck to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2011, 11:42:43 am
The NEAC was 11-60 in non-conference games last season. The members were 6-45 against non-conference Division III foes. Not quite 2-58 but still worst in Division III.

We have a resource that tracks this stuff now.  See pages 5 and 6 of this link. (http://static.psbin.com/2/h/xlzowzzk5zovwr/2011-2012_Conference_Guidebook_v1.pdf)

Good call on the upset by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 16, 2011, 12:29:39 pm
Thanks for the accurate numbers and info, gordonmann. 2-60, 11-60, 6-45 all terrible! A friend went to LVC last night and said they looked bad, very bad. Anyone there? I saw york in a scrimmage and they looked above average, not great. Haven't seen LVC. Etown may struggle to finish 7th in the Commonwealth (which I htink they were picked) if they can not handle pressure and athletes- they can't press or break press. Harrisburg has Messiah in two weeks and if they press like they did last night, Messiah will be in trouble, big trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2011, 01:07:40 pm
Yeah. Alvernia had a nice win over Gettysburg. The Widener win wasn't a surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 24, 2011, 10:12:23 am
Happy Thanksgiving MAC Commonwealth Posters :)

There should be a good game on Saturday with Widener and Cabrini playing in the Coaches vs Cancer game at Neumann.

Enjoy your Holiday!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 06, 2011, 10:59:26 pm
Thanks for the accurate numbers and info, gordonmann. 2-60, 11-60, 6-45 all terrible! A friend went to LVC last night and said they looked bad, very bad. Anyone there? I saw york in a scrimmage and they looked above average, not great. Haven't seen LVC. Etown may struggle to finish 7th in the Commonwealth (which I htink they were picked) if they can not handle pressure and athletes- they can't press or break press. Harrisburg has Messiah in two weeks and if they press like they did last night, Messiah will be in trouble, big trouble.

Nice win for Penn State Harrisburg over Messiah. Messiah really struggled gainst pressure and the Harrisburg athletes. Great finish in OT. Harrisburg is 2-0 vs the MAC with Kings Friday night. Interesting....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: oftdip on January 03, 2012, 12:54:31 pm
Where did the Grosevant brothers go? They are not on the Cougar's roster anymore?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 03, 2012, 10:19:18 pm
No chatter this year. Some great ball being played and would love to hear what everyone thinks from they games you watch... Happy New Year as well to all. Went to see LVC tonight and well, Meehan gave 30, Brooks gave 22 and the rest of the team gave 25 in the 92-75 loss to Penn State Harrisburg. Harrisburg had all 5 starters in nice double figures. Harrisburg had 15 steals, 24 assists and only 5 t.o's. They are really good, alot of guys who were overlooked locally by LVC, etown ect.... However they are really small. Maybe one player over 6-2/6-3 but they are super athletic. Seems like they have free safties snatching every pass and they play super super fast. 2 officials we doubled over after a 23-3 run by Harrisburg after being down 14 (think thats what the schools writeup said).

good luck to all Mac teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 08, 2012, 10:52:41 pm
Commonwealth has three teams regionally ranked: Lycoming(3), Messiah(7), and Alvernia(9).  What team(s) do you think comes out of the conference and goes to the NCAA tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 09, 2012, 09:39:39 am
Alvernia.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2012, 11:26:43 am
Alvernia?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 09, 2012, 12:06:08 pm
Has Messiah improved drastically since the beginning of the season?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2012, 12:07:11 pm
We'll find out tonight... Messiah is one of our guests on Hoopsville. Show starts at 8 PM and you tune in at www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Swisscheese on February 11, 2012, 10:41:28 am
Alvernia may surprise some folks.....just sayin.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ronk on February 21, 2012, 11:07:28 pm
   Story on pennlive.com today about former LVC star Andy Panko having his best pro year ever in Spain leading the league in scoring, considered 2nd best league in world after the NBA.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:09:41 pm
It certainly isn't active in here, but I wanted to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 31, 2012, 02:54:46 pm
   Story on pennlive.com today about former LVC star Andy Panko having his best pro year ever in Spain leading the league in scoring, considered 2nd best league in world after the NBA.

Not only that, but he was named league MVP (Pat has had the story on the front page for a while now).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ryan_finch on September 24, 2012, 09:33:27 am
On September 29th Muhlenberg College will host it's 4th Annual Fall Shootout. I invite all college coaches to come on by to watch some high level basketball. The first game will begin at 8:30 am and the last game will be at 8:30 pm. Below is a list of schools which will be in attendance. I hope you can make it!

Emmaus   PA
Rutgers Prep   NJ
Allen   PA
Paul VI   VA
Westtown   PA
Parkland   PA
Bethlehem Catholic   PA
Dieruff   PA
North Hunterdon   NJ
Del Val Charter   PA
Phoenixville   PA
Mendham   NJ
Ridge   NJ
Cumberland Valley   PA
Delaware County Christian   PA
Quakertown   PA
Pen Argyl   PA
Souderton   PA
Stroudsburg   PA
St. Johns Bapist   NY
Freedom   PA
Hatboro-Horsham   PA
Patrick School   NJ
Holy Cross   PA
Constitution   PA
Atholton   MD
Gill St. Bernards   NJ
Ben Franklin   PA
Springfield Delco   PA
Point Pleasant Beach   NJ
Nazareth   PA
Myers   PA
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 17, 2012, 09:59:07 am
I think the MAC preaseason polls come out today.

Commonwealth I am going to guess: I think there will be a tie for second

Lycoming
Messiah
Weidner

Albright
Alvernia
Etown
Arcadia
LVC
Hood
Stevenson
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:26:47 pm
CC - you may be underestimating Stevenson...

The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 18, 2012, 12:35:10 pm
Could be underestimating them Dave, just don't know much about them or Hood. I think LVC having 4 top 25 votes and being the lone MACC team represented in the Top 25 (with just getting votes) is overestimating LVC big time on my end and underestimating teams like Messiah/Lyco. While LVC does have D Brooks, maybe POY, the loss of Meehan will hurt. They didn't have much outside them two last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 18, 2012, 04:20:47 pm
I suspect those four votes for LVC were from one voter out of the 25... I know I didn't have any MACC teams on my ballot. It is also preseason and I know I started off considering 50 teams... that number climbed when I researched other teams I was interested in... and then I had to do some serious cutting. I ended up with 40 teams I was trying to slot into 25 spots. After hours and hours of work, sometimes you go with your gut and hope you get them right... because you could end up going around and around and around and never get a Top 25 your are completely comfortable with... ESPECIALLY the preseason ballot where there are SO many questions and pretty much no answers. I actually can't wait until the season starts to see some game action to help re-access the landscape.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 26, 2012, 09:12:46 am
MAC Commonwealth Coaches Pre-Season Poll up. Messiah lands the favorite. This conference has a lot of parity at the top with 5 teams that can easily state their case throughout the season to be claimed champions.

http://www.gomacsports.com/index.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.gomacsports.com/index.aspx?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on January 29, 2013, 10:19:26 pm
I'll throw a post in here and move the MACC Board to the top of the list for 5-10 minutes.

The High Definition webcast of Wednesday's (Jan. 30) doubleheader between Alvernia and Albright (6 & 8 p.m.) will be streamed for FREE at the following link:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/Alvernia.portal# (http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/Alvernia.portal#)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2013, 09:30:05 am
At what point will administration shut down a board due to lack of activity???

In an effort to keep the board afloat I'll offer you the Commonwealth Conference Men's Basketball MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2012/2/10/11-12_MB_Matrix.pdf).  One day to go with plenty to be decided.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 14, 2013, 10:48:39 am
Jon:

How many teams make the playoffs now?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2013, 11:48:58 am
Gordon,

Five teams make it.  #5 TBD @ #4 TBD game on Monday, Feb. 18., Semifinals Wednesday, Feb. 20 (Winner 4/5 @ #1 Alvernia, #3 TBD @ #2 Albright), Final on Saturday, Feb. 23 @ Highest Remaining Seed.

Freedom will still be four teams.  Difference is due to Commonwealth being a 10-institution conference while Freedom remains eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 14, 2013, 01:18:44 pm
Looking at the regional rankings. I see that both Alvernia and Albright are ranked. The winner of the conference could host the first round game. Alvernia most likely, just based on record. However, this year is going to be unique, maybe a Cabrini facing Alvernia once again(if they both make it). 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 14, 2013, 02:20:52 pm
Mailsy,

Thanks for populating the Commonwealth Board...miss the days of some good PAC chatter.

I would think winner of the Commonwealth (if Alvernia or Albright) is a lock for first round home game (with 30 hosts nationally), and would think at least top two region teams left after first round would also host second round (16 hosts nationally).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2013, 03:16:52 pm
Looking at the regional rankings. I see that both Alvernia and Albright are ranked. The winner of the conference could host the first round game. Alvernia most likely, just based on record. However, this year is going to be unique, maybe a Cabrini facing Alvernia once again(if they both make it).

Teams in this area could host more than just one game depending on match-ups and the fact New Jersey schools can't host any games. And of course because there will be just one game at an institution and one game a weekend for the first three weekends (30 hosts fist weekend, 16 hosts second weekend, 8 hosts third weekend)... there are a lot more possibilities.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2013, 09:14:55 am
d-mac,

That piece on Jersey is something that I had forgotten.  Here's a LINK (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/about+the+ncaa/who+we+are+landing+page) to the NCAA's Who We Are page which can sort schools by Division, State, Sport, and Conference for those interested in the list of Jersey schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2013, 04:08:21 pm
Mailsy,

Thanks for populating the Commonwealth Board...miss the days of some good PAC chatter.

I would think winner of the Commonwealth (if Alvernia or Albright) is a lock for first round home game (with 30 hosts nationally), and would think at least top two region teams left after first round would also host second round (16 hosts nationally).

The PAC - the good old days.

I was there the day the PAC was born.

I'll give you three guesses where the press conference was held (no googling).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2013, 04:31:21 pm

I'll give you three guesses where the press conference was held (no googling).

The Palestra.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 15, 2013, 05:33:56 pm

I'll give you three guesses where the press conference was held (no googling).

The Palestra.

Good guess...  Strike one.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 15, 2013, 09:00:45 pm

I'll give you three guesses where the press conference was held (no googling).

The Palestra.

Good guess...  Strike one.

The Vet.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 16, 2013, 08:42:29 am

I'll give you three guesses where the press conference was held (no googling).

The Palestra.

Good guess...  Strike one.

Correct.  Did you peek?

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 16, 2013, 09:24:26 am

I'll give you three guesses where the press conference was held (no googling).

The Palestra.

Good guess...  Strike one.

Correct.  Did you peek?

I didn't peek.  I do remember at one time seeing a press release about the birth of the PAC and remember it was at a Philadelphia sports landmark.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2013, 04:17:52 pm
FYI - Stevenson coach Gary Stewart will be on Hoopsville tonight. The show runs from 7-9 PM EST and Coach Stewart will be part of the NABC Coach's Corner to air around 8:00 PM EST (though, we encourage you to watch the entire show). Below is the important information:

Show website: www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com

Hope you get the chance to tune in, but if you miss it the archive will be available shortly after the show has gone off the air tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on February 26, 2013, 08:45:04 am
Good luck to Alvernia as they take on Albertus Magnus!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 02, 2013, 11:04:51 am
Good Luck to Alvernia tonight as they take on Alburtus Magnus in Reading!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 02, 2013, 11:12:54 am
Sorry, hate it when someone misspells Del Val, so it's Albertus Magnus
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on March 02, 2013, 05:15:14 pm
Sorry, hate it when someone misspells Del Val, so it's Albertus Magnus

How is it possible to misspell Dell Val?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 05, 2013, 08:31:05 am
Good luck to Alvernia in their game on Sat. with St. Mary's (Md)!
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Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2013, 04:16:44 pm
Stevenson is obviously playing in the 2nd Annual Hoopsville National Invitational Classic: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams)
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Post by: Clutch on November 09, 2013, 08:44:00 am
Looking forward to start of new season.....November 15th should provide a good test for Alvernia at home right out of the shoot.
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Post by: CCHoopster on November 09, 2013, 01:26:40 pm
Will the MACC board be dead this year? Hope not, some good teams at the top half! Has anyone seen any teams play yet in scrimmages? Is Alvernia a lock to win or is a young Stevenson squad ready to contend at the top.... Messiah has a lot back and Lyco and Albright are always competitive....

Best of luck to all MACC teams this year!
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Post by: middhoops on November 12, 2013, 01:42:51 pm
Just checking in here to see if there is any buzz regarding highly ranked Alvernia' opener against Middlebury.  The Middlebury coach says that Alvernia is very, very good team.  This will be the most challenging opening game for a team from the NESCAC this season.
If anyone is interested in talking up Alvernia, I'd be happy to share info on their opponent.
Let the games begin!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2013, 02:48:54 pm
Alvernia is a very good team... but their weakness is something Middlebury can exploit... and the same thing St. Mary's did exploit last year. Their spread it out offense is great until a solid defensive team challenges them. Not to compare them to Grinnell, because they are not the same, but the premise is the same.

I think Alvernia is more seasoned and better tested this year having gone through the experience from last season and the second round loss to SMC. However, they did lose some experience just as Middlebury has - so I think this is a terrific test for both teams... especially ahead of the next weekend's Hoopsville Classic for Middlebury. By the way... the winner of the Alvernia-Middlebury game probably faces F&M the next day... so that adds some intrigued as well - though I think both Middlebury and Alvernia are better than F&M even if it is on their home court.
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Post by: Clutch on November 13, 2013, 06:32:07 pm
Thinking Alvernia will have the advantage in speed department.  Middlebury will slow down the tempo but not sure how successful Alvernia will be against such a disciplined team.
Thinking Middlebury takes this game.
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Post by: middhoops on November 13, 2013, 08:49:04 pm
Alvernia won a ton of games last year, and they were as small as now.  What is the method of their success?  Middlebury isn't going to impress many teams with their overall speed.  They are very big and can score.  Defense against speed is probably their weakest point.
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Post by: Clutch on November 14, 2013, 09:25:08 am
Mid, my opinion is the crusaders are not very small and fast but smaller than Midbury, they drive the lane and switch alot have talent and are smart with the ball, they kick it out for the three spread offense seems to work for them, yet I cannot see them rebounding over the big guys on either boards with the size of Midbury unless they out jump them which they may be able to do....Alvernia not the quickest team but far from slow compared to Mbury .  This will be a great test.
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Post by: Clutch on November 14, 2013, 09:35:07 am
With size, as well as talent, Middlebury is well equipped to attack the crusaders defense, this may be something the crusaders may not be used to but the talent, and the type of players on the crusaders who have length not so much height will make for a great night. 
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Post by: middhoops on November 14, 2013, 08:19:29 pm
With size, as well as talent, Middlebury is well equipped to attack the crusaders defense, this may be something the crusaders may not be used to but the talent, and the type of players on the crusaders who have length not so much height will make for a great night.
Middlebury has a very long way to go in order to be ready to play league games, defensively.  In the pre-season they must hope that their size, depth and potentially extraordinary long range shooting, can pull them through.
Alvernia might force Middlebury to sit their three really big guys.  However, the Panthers can go with Kizel, Bulluck, Sinnickson, Merryman and St. Amour and be a a very athletic small team with serious firepower.
Or, they could lose to a hotter shooting team.  It's basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 15, 2013, 01:20:55 pm
read you loud n clear.....gotta love the game.   
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 16, 2013, 08:32:04 am
Middlebury's three post players got 40 points and 25 rebounds.  Other than that, Alvernia would have crushed them.  It's not necessarily fair, but size counts for a lot in this game.
No Middlebury fan wants to see Alvernia again. They were fast, smart, disciplined and very well coached.
The Baruch upset of Franklin & Marshall surprised everyone, except maybe the parents of the Baruch players.
Alvernia should beat F&M, even an angry Diplomat squad, on their famed home court today.
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Post by: Reserved Seat on November 16, 2013, 11:42:33 am
Middlebury played well.  Alvernia was unable to counter Middlebury's height. Middlebury got enough second and third shots to prevent the upset.  Middlebury had enough speed to keep up with Alvernia.  Every time Alvernia's scrappiness got them back to within 2-3 points Middlebury would made 2-3 shots.  Disappointed in Kizel--wards off constantly and whines too much, but he's got tremendous talent.  Middlebury must love knowing Williams was stunned by Southern Vermont.
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Post by: Jon on November 16, 2013, 12:39:45 pm
Generally agree with the commentary from Reserved Seat.  Height was an issue.  Felt like five blocked shots shortchanged the Panthers a bit.  Thought Kizel's biggest value was getting the Panthers a look when the Crusaders cut it to one possession.  Ran a ton of high screens as a go-to set and got either to the rack, feeds for short jumpers/layups, and plenty of second-chance hoops.

Good for the Crusaders to get experience against the nation's elite this early in the proceedings.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 16, 2013, 05:22:54 pm
congratulations to Alvernia for a nice ot win against Fm....Alvernia is a well coached team .
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 17, 2013, 08:39:35 pm
Decent showing from the MAC Commonwealth going 10-6 on the weekend. 3 teams winning tournaments and a few strong wins with Widener over Del Val, Alvernia over F&M and Messiah over Hartwick. Underrated conference and top to bottom, may be the toughest in the Mid-Atlantic this year. Could have 4-5 15 win teams.
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Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2013, 10:11:07 pm
Bad loss for Lycoming at home. Certainly do not look like the team from the playoffs last year. Lost a ton. Good win by Susquehanna.
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Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2013, 10:13:26 pm
Dave, I like to follow the MACC and the Centennial. I've seen quit a few thoughts/predictions/previews on the CC and wanted to see what your thoughts on the MAC Commonwealth were?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2013, 11:10:36 pm
Jeez... this one is tough... let me think more on it... but I do like Alvernia at the top... after that it is anyone's guess. I do think Stevenson at #2 from the preseason poll seems a  bit audacious, and they would probably admit the same... and I think teams like LVC near the bottom doesn't make any sense.

Let me get back to you... if you don't mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 08:52:22 am
Jeez... this one is tough... let me think more on it... but I do like Alvernia at the top... after that it is anyone's guess. I do think Stevenson at #2 from the preseason poll seems a  bit audacious, and they would probably admit the same... and I think teams like LVC near the bottom doesn't make any sense.

Let me get back to you... if you don't mind.

Thanks Dave, no rush just interested to see your view. Trying to get a little life on this board. Pretty tough conference top to bottom with some fantastic coaches.

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: middhoops on November 20, 2013, 09:00:06 am
Middlebury has played one of your teams and it was a barn burner.  Alvernia runs on jet fuel.

We have added two key players since then, however.  Jake Brown, the coach's nephew is a 100% game ready freshman point guard who plays smothering D.   James Jensen is a very athletic 6-5 defensive ace and shot blocker.

Stevenson won their first game easily with senior Brendan McFall 6-6 from distance.  What style does Stevenson play?  Are they significantly better equipped to handle Middlebury's 3 post players?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 09:13:24 am
Jeez... this one is tough... let me think more on it... but I do like Alvernia at the top... after that it is anyone's guess. I do think Stevenson at #2 from the preseason poll seems a  bit audacious, and they would probably admit the same... and I think teams like LVC near the bottom doesn't make any sense.

Let me get back to you... if you don't mind.

Thanks Dave, no rush just interested to see your view. Trying to get a little life on this board. Pretty tough conference top to bottom with some fantastic coaches.


Alvernia- Losing Terrence Bridgers will hurt them big time. He was a 1st team All Conference player and their leading scorer, a matchup night mare at 6-6 and a pure jump shooter. Not sure if he transferred or grades but he is not in school. They only play 6 guys and with rules changes, that will absolutely hurt them at times. At other times, they will have the best 5 guys on the floor at all times.

Stevenson- Well coached, talent, athletic but young. Some new pieces for coach Stewart to place together. Solid showing last year making the playoffs but inconsistent throughout the year. Could easily finish 2nd or could finish 5th. Either way they make the playoffs.

Messiah- (Don't sleep here) Not really a dark horse since picked 3rd but my pick to win the conference. Really well coached and a ton of experience. Return 4 starters and get back Fernandez who missed last year with I think ACL(so you can look at that as 5 starters)... Fernandez was all region and all district as a soph. They can fill it up and have a good win vs Hartwick. Still have a bunch of guys with lots of experience  from their championship team 2 years ago. Size will hurt them on the block they do have big guards which maybe offsets that. I see a return of the Messiah team from 2 years ago who won the league.

Arcadia- Well coached and they will go as Brown and Saltus go. No real depth and need to find a 3rd scoring option with Trawick graduated. The addition of Washington College transfer Mark Henry will certainly help the back line with Joe Brown.

Lycoming- Lost guys to graduation and transfers. Hard to get a read on this team but like usual super athletic, capable scorers and will probably be floating around come playoff time. Transfer pg Wilson from Wilkes sure helps and Anthony is a 1st team all conference player. Did just lose by 15 at home to Susquehanna last night.

Albright- Sensing a rebuilding year. Lost POY Singleton, 6-9 Benjamin, Cornell Mickens 6th man and Andrea Marshall who was a sharp shooting 6-4 freshman (won them a few games). I think even though have 3 starters back (Morella, Perez, Jordan) they struggle for the last playoff spot and ultimately miss out.

Widener- Return mostly all their guys and get one back who didn't play last year and arguably could be their best player (name escapes me). The loss of Brown to grades or transfer will hurt since he could defend and score. I think they will be right there fighting for a last playoff spot with Lyco and Albright. Well coached, experience pg.

Hood- Lost 2 starters. Have size and a scorer back in Cook but not sure they have enough to make the playoffs in this league. Don't think it will be like that for long but just not this year.

LVC- Not sure how they score in league play. Agnew is a good solid scoring pg but he really doesn't have anything around him. They lost Danny Brooks and that's not good when you lose Danny Brooks. I can't see them winning more than 6 games in league if that.

Etown- Only brought in 1 frosh, some experience but don't have the ponies to play in this up-tempo league. However they seem to overachieve when their down and get 2-3 wins you would laugh about if you were told before hand Etown would win. Well coached, play super tough and this is their last run in the MAC Commonwealth before heading to a better suited Landmark Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 09:15:14 am
Middlebury has played one of your teams and it was a barn burner.  Alvernia runs on jet fuel.

We have added two key players since then, however.  Jake Brown, the coach's nephew is a 100% game ready freshman point guard who plays smothering D.   James Jensen is a very athletic 6-5 defensive ace and shot blocker.

Stevenson won their first game easily with senior Brendan McFall 6-6 from distance.  What style does Stevenson play?  Are they significantly better equipped to handle Middlebury's 3 post players?

Middleburry should be fine vs Stevenson. Up-temp, athletic and guard focused team. Their freshman pg is as good as they come. Him and Hawkins drive the bus.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 09:18:06 am
Middlebury has played one of your teams and it was a barn burner.  Alvernia runs on jet fuel.

We have added two key players since then, however.  Jake Brown, the coach's nephew is a 100% game ready freshman point guard who plays smothering D.   James Jensen is a very athletic 6-5 defensive ace and shot blocker.

Stevenson won their first game easily with senior Brendan McFall 6-6 from distance.  What style does Stevenson play?  Are they significantly better equipped to handle Middlebury's 3 post players?

Stevenson did beat a team who is 12-93 in their last 4 seasons plus first two games this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 21, 2013, 09:18:46 am

Alvernia rolled over JHU last night seems like they are the ones to beat if they can keep their 5 on the floor, understand of course JHU is not at their best but Alvernia seems consistent.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 23, 2013, 08:49:14 am
Alvernia's Achilles heel will be teams in the MACC who have 8 man rotations and play up tempo. Any foul trouble for Alvernia means trouble. They are literally 5 deep. All 5 starters will play 32 plus minutes, probably more.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 23, 2013, 08:56:43 am
Solid night for the MACC. Stevenson a huge win over Middlebury and Widener a good win versus Utica on the road in NY. This is an underrated conference.
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Post by: Clutch on November 23, 2013, 09:02:06 am
Indeed, this conference is showing strength, congratulations to all the teams in it with their hard earned victories, love the parity in the region these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 23, 2013, 11:02:39 am
Solid night for the MACC. Stevenson a huge win over Middlebury and Widener a good win versus Utica on the road in NY. This is an underrated conference.

I don't think the conference is underrated... I can't get through a conversation with any coach in any conference where the MACC isn't brought up as maybe the toughest in the region and certainly the deepest. However, I will say the conference has under-performed. To even come close to the conversations of the ODACs, NESCACs, CCIWs, UAAs, WIACs and those on the next level... teams in this conference have to perform in the post-season. Alvernia had the best chance last year, but people do raise an eyebrow when they talk about the Crusaders not being able to beat St. Mary's on their home court. That win would have done a lot to change the image of the MACC.

No one doubts this isn't a good conference with plenty of good teams and great coaches... but until a team or several teams make deep runs in the NCAA tournament... people will tend to think the conference is deep, but not strong at the top.
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Post by: Clutch on November 23, 2013, 11:26:52 am
Agreed Dave, unless of course one takes a broad perspective of thinking, for example Alvernia going  to the final 4 with the Damien Hunter and Lonnie Walker days, although the conference they played in was the PAC so you cannot count that but the team itself got deep, also brings to mind the Catholic U days with a team like Elizabethtown with Palumbo going very deep believe they were the Mac but your point is well taken with this conference after the realignments and creation of the CSAC.   Currently, one two or three different teams emerge individually from this conference annually, but the consistency is starting to display itself recently across the board, would make the midatlantic region and conference more legitimate as contenders if this conference and the csac teams could be more consistent in going deep, the csac seems polarized but the  Macc is more balanced among themselves. As far as one claiming the conference is underrated nationally, it would be difficult for one not to argue your point.  Winning consistently amongst ranked teams on the road in the post season is difficult not to mention losing at home does not bid well in creating an image of strength for the Macc...These teams playing within conference may be underrated as a level of play but as you say the strength at the top after the conference play is to be questioned.  With experience and time this will change I hope so the Mid Atlantic can be considered a decent region.  Cabrini sure helped the region but the gywnedd mercies, wideners need to get further, Keystone another example, Wesley we shall see, although Dickinson, F+M could still emerge to help....hope I make sense.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 23, 2013, 11:29:23 am
Tournaments like the the one in Maryland this weekend by D3 sure area wonderful thing for entertainment and evaluation of teams thanks for doing these tourneys.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 23, 2013, 09:07:39 pm
Solid night for the MACC. Stevenson a huge win over Middlebury and Widener a good win versus Utica on the road in NY. This is an underrated conference.

I don't think the conference is underrated... I can't get through a conversation with any coach in any conference where the MACC isn't brought up as maybe the toughest in the region and certainly the deepest. However, I will say the conference has under-performed. To even come close to the conversations of the ODACs, NESCACs, CCIWs, UAAs, WIACs and those on the next level... teams in this conference have to perform in the post-season. Alvernia had the best chance last year, but people do raise an eyebrow when they talk about the Crusaders not being able to beat St. Mary's on their home court. That win would have done a lot to change the image of the MACC.

No one doubts this isn't a good conference with plenty of good teams and great coaches... but until a team or several teams make deep runs in the NCAA tournament... people will tend to think the conference is deep, but not strong at the top.

Does anyone think Albright should have had an at large last year? Didn't they take 3 CAC teams? How many at large bids have the MACC received over the years, with multiple 20 win teams in in a year. Asking honestly, not proving a point. The MAC shouldn't be compared to the CSAC. Etown (picked last in the MACC) beat Gwynedd. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 25, 2013, 09:17:17 am
would have been even nicer if Cabrini joined the MAC, not to sure how long the CSAC will survive anyway....that conference has one or two teams to get to tourney and maybe only one, I don't think the MACC is underrated for their level of play, just the fact teams from other conferences get deeper and get national attention.... The MACC seems like a more legitimate conference per say for D3 than the CSAC with tiny schools trying to establish programs there it would be interesting to see what would happen to that conference if there was not a Cabrini or Keystone...?  Perhaps there will be a reshuffling of the deck soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on November 25, 2013, 10:06:39 am
Alvernia had the best chance last year, but people do raise an eyebrow when they talk about the Crusaders not being able to beat St. Mary's on their home court. That win would have done a lot to change the image of the MACC.

I can't disagree with the statement that the win would have done a lot of good for the MACC, but I'm not sure how it's an eyebrow-raising loss.  St. Mary's has become one of the top teams in the Division, not just the region.
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Post by: Reserved Seat on November 25, 2013, 11:26:15 am
How long will Keystone stay a power with the change in coaching?  Can the new coach get the players from around the country?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2013, 02:40:01 pm
Alvernia had the best chance last year, but people do raise an eyebrow when they talk about the Crusaders not being able to beat St. Mary's on their home court. That win would have done a lot to change the image of the MACC.

I can't disagree with the statement that the win would have done a lot of good for the MACC, but I'm not sure how it's an eyebrow-raising loss.  St. Mary's has become one of the top teams in the Division, not just the region.

It's eyebrow raising because it was in Alvernia's hands. They had the home-court advantage over a team that had barely survived against MIT the week before. That was there for the taking, no matter who SMC has been or is... you get a home game like that... you need to win that opportunity.

As for three teams from the CAC last year... the answer is no. There were two in Wesley and St. Mary's. The CAC hasn't had three teams in the tournament... in a very long time (if memory serves)!

Albright was on the bubble... but it was a very tentative bubble. I know when Pat and I were looking at what we thought were the last eight teams... Albright was in and out of the tournament several times before we finally put them in. However, our final regional rankings were guesses and when we did see who was on the final regional rankings, at least I understood why Albright was left off last year - there were criteria where they fell short to teams like Randolph.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: BJ - DSU SID on November 25, 2013, 03:33:01 pm
Dave - I am going to come to Jon's defense here for a second.

I think we must have different definitions of "Eyebrows raising".  For us that's when a team that's not historically good beats a historically good team.

Considering that St. Mary's (MD) is one of 13 teams across the country to win 20+ games in each of the last five years...I don't think they have any wins that are "Eyebrows raising".  I think a team with credentials like that has a legitimate chance to win every single time they lace them up.  No matter where the game is played.

Was it a very good chance for Alvernia to get a program enhancing win...sure.  But the loss wasn't even close to "eyebrow raising".

Agree?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2013, 03:58:24 pm
Well... we all can use different terms... but it was eyebrow raising to me because when I looked at the fact that Alvernia had a chance to take on a SMC team at home... I leaned towards Alvernia winning it. They had a chance not many other teams have had in facing SMC not in St. Mary's County, Maryland; they had proven to that point to play very good basketball and had the X's and O's to probably give SMC a really hard time; their numbers indicated they deserved to be the #1 team in the region thanks to their schedule and results.

So I think that is a win for Alvernia going in, though a really good test, so I say eyebrow raising because I think it was an opportunity lost that was really ripe for the taking. Also, when it comes to this conference... they need a statement win and that was going to be it. So I also raise my eyebrow to people who say this is the best conference in whatever comparison they give... and I point out they need a statement win.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 25, 2013, 04:40:17 pm
Hey Dave I get your point, kind of like playing at Virginia Wesleyan the Marlins are way too hard to beat at home and if you get them in your place it is a time to capitalize on the situation, having said that Alvernia may just not have been that good despite their numbers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2013, 04:44:13 pm
Exactly... Vir. Wesleyan away from their court is a beatable team. SMC at home is a major challenge. I think Alvernia is as good as their numbers... but I compare their situation to the Chicago Bulls back during Jordan's era with the Detroit Pistons. The Bulls always looked like they were a good team, but could never get past the Pistons. However, once they did.. the floodgates opened and Chicago was simply unstoppable nearly for eight years. I think Alvernia is in a position to open up the gates, but they have to have the signature win to prove to themselves they can do it. If they had beaten SMC last year, they could have gone a long way for them and the conference. We just have to wait for this season to see if they can breakthrough.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 25, 2013, 05:06:34 pm
With all due respect , Alvernia is a good team that is how they achieved their stats , yet stats in one area of the country are not the same value as stats in another area.  Realizing the same region was involved with these two teams playing makes it more credible in my opinion to believe the Crusaders did have a golden opportunity to make a statement for the the region.  The PE in Reading Pa is a great place to watch a game as well with passion flowing and school spirit, although not the biggest place still big enough to enjoy a great contest.  The students are vocal and fly their colors well.  Jon no disrespect to your team.   In light of this, would have to say this game would have stuck out either way especially if the Crusaders won ! ! !
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on November 25, 2013, 09:34:20 pm
Thanks for the dialog, guys.  I appreciate it.

Here's to hoping the Crusaders can find a way to get that breakthrough, postseason win. In my tenure we've endured our share of heartbreaking losses. '03, second round at #1 Randolph-Macon probably the toughest when a buzzer-beating 3 for RMC forced OT and Reading's own Jared Mills was unstoppable in the extra period.

Or the Jackets again in '11, at St. Mary's, took advantage of a tough turnover with 90 seconds left and pushed for a transition 3. A 5-point swing that turned a potential 9-point lead to a 4-point gap.

Last year's winner salivated at the chance to host Morrisville State for the right to play in Salem, but SMC handed Alvernia its first home, NCAA Championship loss.

All you can do is get back at it...and that starts tomorrow in Owing's Mill against Stevenson, the holder of one of this season's eyebrow-raising wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 25, 2013, 11:23:31 pm
Glad to see the MACC getting some dialogue on the board. I still don't think Alvernia wins the league. Stevenson or Messiah.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on November 26, 2013, 07:30:42 am
Glad to see the MACC getting some dialogue on the board. I still don't think Alvernia wins the league. Stevenson or Messiah.

What do you think the difference will be?  What gives the Mustangs or Falcons the edge?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 26, 2013, 12:45:45 pm
Crusaders- VERY Talented but no Bridgers takes away any chance of having a bench to contribute. They play 5 guys and want to play 5 guys. With how games are being called that really hurts them. Just don't think they can be as aggressive on D as they were. Would I be surprised if they win the MACC, nope, not at all. Just think they finish 2 or 3 by only a game maybe 2.

Mustangs- Lost some talent but their showing this weekend stated that their #2 pre season pick in the MACC poll probably is warranted. Athletic, tough to defend, dynamic duo in Hawkins and Roberts and that is a tough place to travel and play. Can defend, rebound and are aggressive and good on d. Can speed you up and run sets to get looks in the 1/2 court.

Falcons- I think they win the league if you have a gun to my head. Have 5 starters returning 4 double digit scorers, bring back an all region and district player who missed last year Fernandez, the leading returning scorer in the MACC in Bolan and all 5 starters started or were in top 7 rotation as sophomores when Messiah won the MACC Title and advanced to NCAA's. Their experience is very real, and have big game experience (conference playoffs, conference championship game and NCAA game), they score the ball and have always defended really hard. With how athletic the league has gotten (IMO more so than before) the falcons manage to compete and are pretty athletic themselves. They can shoot you out of the gym at times.

No dis respect to anyone else. I think the MACC Title goes through MC this year. I normally don't have as much hi level of faith in Messiah (no pun intended) but do this season simply because their experience.

Thanks for the dialogue again! Love the CC board and hope this one gets going too!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on November 26, 2013, 02:30:20 pm
Solid assessment, Hoopster.

Great opening night in the Commonwealth tonight. Messiah at Albright and Alvernia at Stevenson.

Full scoreboard here: http://gomacsports.com/scoreboard/  (http://gomacsports.com/scoreboard/)

Info Sheet for Alvernia (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2013/11/20/2013-14_MB_Info_Sheet.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 27, 2013, 10:29:12 am
Stevenson is really tough at home. Last year they seemed a different team at home than on the road where they looked average at times. Hawkins is playing great. Alvernia needs depth or they will struggle with some teams (Stevenson, Messiah, Lyco, Widener) this year. You can even throw Arcadia in there. Messiah gets a good win with a bunch of minutes played by the bench @ Albright. Lycoming handles Etown who typically plays Lyco much closer. LVC vs Moravian postponed.

MACC getting a few good non-conference wins early. Alvernia over F&M, Stevenson over Middleburry, Arcadia over DeSales, Messiah over Hartwick (not great) but a team that could very well end up winning their league.

Safe and Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 29, 2013, 08:38:30 am
Widener in action at Neumann this weekend in Aston Pa,  the Neumann place is very nice to watch a game they did a great job when they built their facility.  Coaches for cancer a good cause, and you get to watch the Pride take on Cabrini a ranked team.  Game time is 2:15 in case anyone gets out there.  There are other teams playing there as well.   
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 29, 2013, 04:37:06 pm
Widener in action at Neumann this weekend in Aston Pa,  the Neumann place is very nice to watch a game they did a great job when they built their facility.  Coaches for cancer a good cause, and you get to watch the Pride take on Cabrini a ranked team.  Game time is 2:15 in case anyone gets out there.  There are other teams playing there as well.   


Those other teams are Rosemont vs Rowan at 12 and Richard Stockton @ Neumann at 4:30.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on December 10, 2013, 07:57:56 pm
Who's up for a little Alvernia/Albright highlight reel?

Check it out HERE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz6RWthJYX8).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 10, 2013, 10:04:11 pm
Trying to make the rounds on local teams. Think I am going to go out and see Messiah vs. Hood tomorrow night, about 45 minutes away. Could be one of the tougher teams Messiah has faced so far. This would be a big
 win for a Hood. Messiah won both meetings last year by double digits. Should be interesting.

Great having Albright, Alvernia, Messiah, Etown, LVC, Dickinson, F&M, York, all between 10 minutes and 1 hr. Gettysburg too.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 11, 2013, 10:52:25 am
Trying to make the rounds on local teams. Think I am going to go out and see Messiah vs. Hood tomorrow night, about 45 minutes away. Could be one of the tougher teams Messiah has faced so far. This would be a big
 win for a Hood. Messiah won both meetings last year by double digits. Should be interesting.

Great having Albright, Alvernia, Messiah, Etown, LVC, Dickinson, F&M, York, all between 10 minutes and 1 hr. Gettysburg too.

Although I do not follow their respective conferences, Penn State Harrisburg and Penn State Berks are in there too.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 12, 2013, 09:51:20 am
Well got out to see Messiah vs Hood. Messiah had two starters out of the starting line up- over heard who I assume a parent saying one had a broken hand (I asked who and they said Fernandez), the other played off the bench but didn't look 100% at all---> (starting pg- small scrappy kid, Hoy).

Hood was flying all over on both ends of the floor. They are extremely athletic full court pressing and trapping for all 40 minutes forcing to's and getting the Falcons out of rhythm. Hood hurt themselves on offense taking bad and very very very very early shots. Messiah weathered the storm and took control in the final 8 minutes. Messiah is a really tough team who gives a ton off effort, with a lot of skill and balanced size. While having a player looking 6-7/6-8 their guards are big, athletic and can score ranging from 6'3-6'6. After watching them I am not surprised they are 8-0. Messiah never seemed to get rattled even after being down 9 early. They don't show a ton of emotion when their down and don't show a ton of emotion when their up or coming back. Seem to be level headed, and that's why experience and sr's/jr's mean so much. 8-0/4-0 is a pretty strong start. From their schedule they play @ Methodist then @ Guilford over the New Year.

Also: Congratulations to Messiah sr Brad Bolen for cracking the 1,000 point mark dropping 30 points last night. Kid is an absolute pure, smooth scorer.

- Messiah is 8-0 and 4-0 in the MACC. Just a note as D3hoops has them 8-0 and 3-0 in the conference.

Excited to get out to another game this Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 17, 2013, 10:02:59 pm
Not a good last two days for the MACC. What's up with E-town? They play good one night and don't seem to show up the next.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Wilsonfan on January 11, 2014, 10:28:04 pm
Does anybody know the status of Lycoming's William Wingate?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2014, 11:40:19 pm
Not a good last two days for the MACC. What's up with E-town? They play good one night and don't seem to show up the next.

That about sums them up almost year in and year out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 14, 2014, 10:43:01 pm
Congrats to Messiah on being ranked #15 in the latest D3Hoops.com poll. They will certainly have a big test at Stevenson tomorrow. I think you have to give the edge to the home team. They play great at home and their a really good team.

Should be a tight race in the MACC for the 5 playoff spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2014, 02:32:42 pm
Really quiet in here despite really good games recently... here is a great recap on last night's Stevenson win over #15 Messiah by D3hoops.com's Rob Knox: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140116spyyxk (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140116spyyxk)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 18, 2014, 09:39:47 pm
Really quiet in here despite really good games recently... here is a great recap on last night's Stevenson win over #15 Messiah by D3hoops.com's Rob Knox: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140116spyyxk (http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2013-14/contrib/20140116spyyxk)

Seems like that was like a NCAA Tournament atmosphere, caliber of game and caliber teams.

Messiah gets another win vs Arcadia at home to stay atop the conference.

LVC continues to loom around with a major win over Albright. Albright continues this up and down play. Looked at the box score and their not missing anyone.

Alvernia beats Etown

Hood wins their 3rd in a row with a buzzer beater vs Widener who is struggling to win games with an experienced team.

Stevenson plays at Lycoming tomorrow. Not an easy game for the Mustangs. Really long trip vs a Lycoming team who could use a win. Hoping there is video for this one!

Dave:

Assuming Stevenson wins tomorrow at Lycoming, would you see them being ranked? Do you see them jumping Messiah or does Messiah not drop that many spots? My thought (which has no substance behind it just a guess or personal opinion) would be that if Stevenson is ranked then Messiah lost to a really good team, on the road in 2 OT's with what appeared to be a shot to win at the buzzer in the first OT based on the article. I guess the other side would be Stevenson beat the #15 team then traveled to Lycoming and won there.... Again this is all assuming Stevenson wins. Be nice for the MACC to have to ranked teams.

Hood has figured some things out and earned some nice wins of late.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2014, 01:05:57 pm
Should Stevenson win today... I think both teams are ranked. Stevenson just needs to follow up a big win like that with a victory, especially on the road. They followed up their win over then-ranked Middlebury at the beginning of the season with their only home loss against Birmingham-Southern. I know the coaching staff has been reminding the team that they have to be ready for every game, so today they should be ready.

I just don't see how the voters don't put Stevenson in their Top 25 should they win today. Their resume will include a great win against Messiah who is clearly a Top 25 team, a win over an always tough (though not their record) Middlebury squad, a dominating win against Alvernia, a scant one-point loss to Oglethorpe (currently ranked), and other notable games. Their only blemish is the loss on the road to Albright, though we all know that is a team improving and well coached.

As for Messiah, even if Stevenson doesn't win today, I think they stay ranked. However, how far they fall will depend on Stevenson. Stevenson wins and Messiah's drop should be tempered; Stevenson loss and Messiah's drop will be more significant.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2014, 10:58:06 am
Should Stevenson win today... I think both teams are ranked. Stevenson just needs to follow up a big win like that with a victory, especially on the road. They followed up their win over then-ranked Middlebury at the beginning of the season with their only home loss against Birmingham-Southern. I know the coaching staff has been reminding the team that they have to be ready for every game, so today they should be ready.

I just don't see how the voters don't put Stevenson in their Top 25 should they win today. Their resume will include a great win against Messiah who is clearly a Top 25 team, a win over an always tough (though not their record) Middlebury squad, a dominating win against Alvernia, a scant one-point loss to Oglethorpe (currently ranked), and other notable games. Their only blemish is the loss on the road to Albright, though we all know that is a team improving and well coached.

As for Messiah, even if Stevenson doesn't win today, I think they stay ranked. However, how far they fall will depend on Stevenson. Stevenson wins and Messiah's drop should be tempered; Stevenson loss and Messiah's drop will be more significant.

A win over a Top 25 team (even if it is overtime at home) is enough to balance out a loss to a non-ranked team. However, when you start using terms like "always tough" then you're starting to sound like a coach. I prefer to stick in the realm of what Middlebury is actually doing (10-5, losses to Stevenson, St. Mary's, Salve Regina, Plattsburgh and Bates) rather than generic adjectives.

Beating Middlebury, in short, is not particularly unique this year.

As to how some voters might not put Stevenson in -- I could easily find 25 other teams I felt I needed to vote for. If Stevenson had beaten Messiah on the road, or beaten Messiah handily at home, I'd be more inclined. But of course, Stevenson will get that shot in a few weeks, so I'm not worried. We'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 21, 2014, 09:19:09 am
I was surprised at both:

1- Messiah only dropping 2 spots
2- Stevenson not cracking the top 25

Probably good enough reasons in both cases. Messiah heads to Widener and Hood this week- tough road games for sure. Widener a tough place to play and some real talent on an underperforming team in league and Hood has figured some things out winning 3 straight and sitting in 3rd place in the MACC.

Stevenson will be at Etown and then home to an Arcadia team who took them to OT previously. Seems like a much more favorable week for the Mustangs than the Falcons.

Hope with the weather games are still on!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 12, 2014, 11:09:39 am
Wish there were more MAC Commonwealth followers on hear. The playoff race is getting really exciting. If the season ended today:

1-Messiah
2-Alvernia
3-Hood
4-Stevenson
5-LVC (own tiebreaker of Albright by beating them twice)

Crazy to think LVC is in a playoff spot right now. There are a few really big games tonight.

Stevenson at Messiah- A rematch of an instant classis that got comparisons in "Around the Region" to Ali v Frazier. Stevenson pulled out the victory 103-99 in double OT. This may be an absolute war with strong playoff implications.

Hood at Albright- Hood edged out Albright on a game winner 61-60 earlier this year at Hood. Hood is in a tie for 3rd and Albright is tied for 5th the final playoff spot with LVC at 7-7 with LVC owning the tie breaker via head to head. An Albright win could send Hood in a late season tail spin and would be their 3rd in a row with the first 2 both being at home. A win for Albright keeps them alive and with an LVC loss would give them the #5 seed. Big game for both teams.

Arcadia at Alvernia- Alvernia must win vs the last place Arcadia team to keep with in a game of Messiah. A Messiah loss and Alvernia win gives Alvernia a tie for first by record although Messiah owns the tiebreaker via head to head with an earlier season win vs Alvernia. Those two teams meet the last game of the year. Talk about the implications that game could have. Don't sleep on Arcadia, their record doesn't tell the talent and ability to win. Seem to play everyone tough for 35 minutes. Capable of the upset but I doubt it happens.

Etown vs Widener- Etown playing for pride (no pun) and Widener 2 games out looking for a miracle.

LVC at Lycoming- Lyco just beat Messiah and is capable of beating anyone in conference especially at home. Weather could postpone this game. Must win for LVC to hold the final playoff spot. They host Messiah on Saturday so LVC must come out with a W vs Lycoming tonight.

Still thinking two teams can get in the NCAA's from this conference. Messiah and Alvernia look to be the team to beat; crazy to think Stevenson would be in a MACC play in game if the season were to end today.

I will be tuning into the Messiah vs Stevenson game online (great new HD feed I finally saw 2 Saturdays ago, it was really good) and the Hood Albright game!

Travel safe and good luck to all. Excited to see how the MACC finishes.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on February 12, 2014, 12:35:16 pm
Wish there were more MAC Commonwealth followers on hear. The playoff race is getting really exciting. If the season ended today:

1-Messiah
2-Alvernia
3-Hood
4-Stevenson
5-LVC (own tiebreaker of Albright by beating them twice)

Crazy to think LVC is in a playoff spot right now. There are a few really big games tonight.

Stevenson at Messiah- A rematch of an instant classis that got comparisons in "Around the Region" to Ali v Frazier. Stevenson pulled out the victory 103-99 in double OT. This may be an absolute war with strong playoff implications.

Hood at Albright- Hood edged out Albright on a game winner 61-60 earlier this year at Hood. Hood is in a tie for 3rd and Albright is tied for 5th the final playoff spot with LVC at 7-7 with LVC owning the tie breaker via head to head. An Albright win could send Hood in a late season tail spin and would be their 3rd in a row with the first 2 both being at home. A win for Albright keeps them alive and with an LVC loss would give them the #5 seed. Big game for both teams.

Arcadia at Alvernia- Alvernia must win vs the last place Arcadia team to keep with in a game of Messiah. A Messiah loss and Alvernia win gives Alvernia a tie for first by record although Messiah owns the tiebreaker via head to head with an earlier season win vs Alvernia. Those two teams meet the last game of the year. Talk about the implications that game could have. Don't sleep on Arcadia, their record doesn't tell the talent and ability to win. Seem to play everyone tough for 35 minutes. Capable of the upset but I doubt it happens.

Etown vs Widener- Etown playing for pride (no pun) and Widener 2 games out looking for a miracle.

LVC at Lycoming- Lyco just beat Messiah and is capable of beating anyone in conference especially at home. Weather could postpone this game. Must win for LVC to hold the final playoff spot. They host Messiah on Saturday so LVC must come out with a W vs Lycoming tonight.

Still thinking two teams can get in the NCAA's from this conference. Messiah and Alvernia look to be the team to beat; crazy to think Stevenson would be in a MACC play in game if the season were to end today.

I will be tuning into the Messiah vs Stevenson game online (great new HD feed I finally saw 2 Saturdays ago, it was really good) and the Hood Albright game!

Travel safe and good luck to all. Excited to see how the MACC finishes.

You are right. I saw this during the Hoopsville Classic. They've done a fantastic job. Wish teams in the CSAC would do this.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2014, 02:32:16 pm
Actually... the Stevenson-Messiah game is at Messiah this time around... though, that is now an HD feed.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2014, 05:47:24 pm
Another episode of Hoopsville is slated for tonight and here is the guest list we have lined up:

- Pomona-Pitzer MBB coach Charles Katsiaficas
- #15 Wittenberg MBB coach Bill Brown
- #2 Hope WBB coach Brian Morehouse
- Stevenson WBB coach Jackie Boswell (plus a surprise guest from Stevenson)
- Maryville WBB coach Darrin Travillian
- Trinity (TX) WBB coach Cameron Hill
- Nazareth MBB coach Kevin Broderick
- St. Mary's (Md.) MBB coach Chris Harney

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run at least 2:30 tonight.

You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/feb13 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)

You can also follow us on social media
- Twitter (@d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) and #Hoopsville)
- Facebook (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville))
- Email (hoopsville@d3hoops.com)

Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 18, 2014, 11:36:45 am
Big week on deck for the MAC Commonwealth. Looks like the 5 playoff teams are all but set to include Messiah, Stevenson, Alvernia, Hood, Albright. (I believe only Albright could be bumped but unlikely)..... I think these are the 5 teams but order is far from set.

Tonight:

Messiah vs Widener: Falcons won in January at Widener. IT's a must win to keep the #1 seed. Messiah can finish 1st-3rd still with a 1 game lead on Stevenson and Alvernia (Stevenson owns tie breakers over Messiah and Alvernia). A win tonight squares them off with at Alvernia on Saturday which could very well be for 1st place.

Stevenson vs Etown: Etown stole a victory vs Stevenson at home earlier this year. Really don't see a way Stevenson loses at home to Etown. A Stevenson win and Messiah loss tonight gives the Mustangs sole possession of first place since they own the tie breaker over Alvernia and Messiah.

Alvernia at Hood: An Alvernia win gives them a shot to play Messiah for first place next week (Stevenson would need to lose 1 game) or at the very least get themselves a home play off game finishing 1st or 2nd. Hood needs this win more than Alvernia.... A loss garauntees Hood to be a part of the dangerous 4-5 play in game vs Albright. They should be in shape to at least host that play in game. But a win moves them into a tie for third place. This game has serious implications on how the conference can shake up. A Hood win with a Messiah and Stevenson win would put Alvernia 2 games back from Messiah and 1 game back from Stevenson.

LYCO at Albright: Flat out Albright (8-8) has to win to. They have a one game lead on Widener, Lyco and LVC who are all 7-9. A loss puts them in a tie with LYCO and if Widener and LVC win could be a 3 way tie for 5th

LVC at Arcadia: LVC must win. Could get a share of 5th place tie and own a tie breaker over Albright.

My guess to finish:

Messiah
Stevenson
Alvernia
Hood
Albright

Rd 1: Albright at Hood: Hood wins
Rd 2: Hood at Messiah: Messiah and Alvernia at Stevenson: Stevenson
Championship: Falcons avenge two regular season losses to Stevenson

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 18, 2014, 12:56:59 pm
Also starting to think this is now a 1 team league with regards to NCAA's. Not sure anyone but Messiah could get a pool C and if they go 1-1 this week finishing at 19-5 and don't win the league, doubt they get their name called. If they get to the championship of the MAC maybe but not sure them, Stevenson or Alvernia get a pool C anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2014, 01:06:10 pm
The latest regional rankings will give us a better sense, but I don't see the MAC in a situation where two-bids wouldn't be a surprise. Five or six losses now-a-days is not that big a deal considering all-games count. Certainly a lot has to happen, but I see teams with eight-losses getting at-large bids this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 20, 2014, 10:59:05 am
My room attendance has been slacking recently, I apologize.  Here's some information that may be useful heading into Saturday.

Commonwealth Men's Basketball MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_Matrix)

Saturday's scenarios (unofficial until confirmed by MAC Office)

Top Seed Options:
Messiah #1 with a win
Stevenson #1 with a win and Messiah loss
Alvernia #1 with a win and Stevenson loss

#2 Seed Options:
Stevenson #2 if Messiah wins
Alvernia #2 with win and Stevenson win
Messiah #2 with loss and Stevenson loss

#3 Seed Options:
Alvernia #3 with loss
Messiah #3 with loss and Stevenson win
Stevenson #3 with loss and Alvernia win

#4 Seed Options:
Hood and Hood only

#5 Seed Options:
Albright #5 with win (9-9) and Messiah (13-5) or Lycoming (8-10) loss
Lycoming #5 with win (9-9) and Messiah (14-4) win or Albright (8-10) loss

Albright #5 in tie with Lycoming at (8-10 or 9-9) if Messiah (13-5) loses
Lycoming #5 in tie with Albright at (8-10 or 9-9) if Messiah (14-4) wins

Albright #5 in 3-way tie at (8-10) with Lycoming and Widener
Lycoming #5 in 3-way tie at (8-10) with Albright and Lebanon Valley

Lycoming #5 in 4-way tie at (8-10)


Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 23, 2014, 05:08:56 pm
Commonwealth Championships:

Monday, Feb. 24 | First Round Game
7:00 p.m. - #5 Albright (9-9) @ #4 Hood (10-8)

Wednesday, Feb. 26 | Semifinals
7:00 p.m. - 4/5 Winner @ #1 Stevenson (13-5)
7:00 p.m. - #3 Messiah (13-5) @ #2 Alvernia (13-5)

Saturday, Mar. 1 | Final
TBA - Semifinal winners @ higher remaining seed

Live stats and video will be available for all games.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 23, 2014, 05:56:22 pm
Anybody want to take a crack at All-Commonwealth.

Five each for First and Second Team and an honorable mention that is basically the list of the others who are worthy.

Individual awards for Player, Rookie, and Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 23, 2014, 08:18:11 pm
Anybody want to take a crack at All-Commonwealth.

Five each for First and Second Team and an honorable mention that is basically the list of the others who are worthy.

Individual awards for Player, Rookie, and Coach of the Year.

POY: Bolen Messiah
COY: Stewart Stevenson
ROY: Swint Albright

1st Team: Agnew (LVC), Bolen (MES), Parker (ALV), Bennett (ALV), Fernandez (MES)
2nd Team: Roberts (STE) , Hawkins (STE), Davis (ALV), Cam Cook (HOOD), McPherson (WID)
Hon Mention: Joe Brown (ARC), Anthony (LYC), Rudy (Lyco), Perez (ALB), Lawson (WID), Clark (ALV), Chris Cook (HOOD), Bowens (HOOD),


Hood
vs                  Albright
Albright


Albright
at                  Stevenosn
Stevenson

                          vs                 Messiah
Messiah
at                  Messiah
Alvernia

I think Alrbright wins at Hood, just a gut feeling and then their season ends with a loss at Stevenson. My mind tells me Alvernia at home but these two teams split this year. Hard to beat a team twice in 5 days. Just think Messiah gets a well earned one. Then Messiah vs Stevenson rd 3!!! I saw the first two, one live and one on line. Messiah kind of blew both games in the final seconds and to stay with my logic its hard to beat a team 3 teams. Mind again tells me Stevenson but I am going with Messiah.

I think the upset that could happen could be Albright vs Stevenson (assuming my thought of them beating Hood holds true); these two teams are 1-1 vs each other.

Could be way off.... Just going gut here. The All Conf selections were an absolute crab shoot...... Great week on deck
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2014, 08:25:22 pm
 Which Bolen-Brad or Scott?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 24, 2014, 08:40:45 am
Which Bolen-Brad or Scott?

Brad Bolen, sorry. POY I had between Agnew, Parker and Bolen.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 24, 2014, 09:58:02 pm
Hood protected home court. They travel to Stevenson on Wednesday night at 7 I believe. Stevenson has a great live feed. One of the best.... Hood beat Stevenson at Stevenson by 1 so they can win but certainly a tough environment to play in. Still think Stevenson finds a way to win. Obviously winner gets the winner of Messiah and Alvernia. Sticking with Messiah here.

Thought Albright would keep it close and win. Seemed like a few possession game for most of the contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 25, 2014, 09:10:14 am
CCHoopster, thanks for playing along and offering your thoughts on postseason awards.  Given my direct ties to the Vern, I'm going to withhold from prognostication and wait to see what the coaches think, but again, I appreciate reading others' opinions.

For Wednesday's semifinal vs. #3 Messiah at 7:00 p.m., we'll have a FREE HD Webcast here: Alvernia Portal (http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/Alvernia.portal#)

Those of you in the Twitterverse can follow us for live updates: @VernCrusaders (https://twitter.com/verncrusaders)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2014, 03:49:14 pm
Jon... I hope they use #d3h as well on those tweets!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 25, 2014, 03:52:11 pm
Jon... I hope they use #d3h as well on those tweets!

We're pretty consistent on that.  Just have to bring the new assistant completely up to speed.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2014, 03:53:28 pm
Cool... the game against Messiah last I didn't see it and didn't realize I wasn't seeing it until it was too late! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 26, 2014, 06:14:52 pm
Commonwealth Semifinals:

#3 Messiah @ #2 Alvernia

FREE HD Webcast: WEBCAST (http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/Alvernia.portal#)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 26, 2014, 10:03:55 pm
Must acknowledge when I'm wrong and I was way off with my MACC playoff guesses! Good luck to Stevenson and The Vern. Both teams make the tournament either way I think. Messiah is out- don't see any way they have any shot. Been a strong year for the MACC. Could see them deserving 3 teams just not sure at 19-6 Messiah gets in.

Excited to watch the chip on Saturday. Stevenson has a great hd feed.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 26, 2014, 10:46:23 pm
CCHoopster and others,

Here's the highlight video from tonight featuring a huge dunk from junior Harrison Deyo.

HIGHLIGHT (http://youtu.be/L3BqB1EkT9I)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 01:31:47 pm
Considering where the teams are regionally ranked... I think that is a large assumption that both Alvernia and Stevenson are in the NCAA tournament should they lose in the conference title game. There have already been upsets and there will be more making the Pool C process crowded with good teams. Messiah has certainly done themselves NO favors... I think both teams are in trouble if they leave it to the committee.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 27, 2014, 01:43:01 pm
Messiah's season has unraveled over the last month or so.  I would assume they won't get a bid.


Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 27, 2014, 02:22:15 pm
Dave, looking for some clarity that maybe you have already found.

NCAA Regional Ranking has a column labeled In-Region when the number is actually In-Division.  The manual (updated Dec. 5, 2013) makes no reference to in-region games other than a team needs to play 70 percent of games vs. in-region competition.  Guessing the column header is just an oversight on the NCAA's part.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2014, 02:48:57 pm
Jon - that is clearly something those running the website are obtuse to (i.e. someone at the NCAA or more like those at Turner Sports who run the site). The most important info is here: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=MBB&region=15&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=MBB&region=15&division=3)

As you read, all games count as long as a team has played 70% of their games in-region by the definition of what is a region game or they received a waiver from the NCAA Championships Committee.

Just read the "in-region" as games that count in primary criteria (you will notice teams in the CAC have at least three games less accounted for due to their games against Southern Virginia not counting towards criteria this year and maybe next - can't remember their provisional status).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 28, 2014, 04:56:56 pm
Shared some reading material with the fans earlier today.

Championship INFO SHEET (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2013/11/20/2013-14_MB_Info_Sheet.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on October 16, 2014, 02:25:44 pm
Hello to the 3-5 MACC followers :) lol.....

I'm ready to jump in on how the season ends. Going off roster changers, known recruits and who returns. I think there is a clear cut top 5 teams in this conference on paper. Obviously academics and injuries take place (hopefully non of the later) but here's a crack just to get some conversation going!!

1 Stevenson (No way I see this changing what so ever)
2 Messiah  (least comfortable pick but simply didn't know who else to put here- return D1 transfer Devan, 6'8 Boyle, Fernandez is back on roster??? not sure how and PG Hoy. Looks like they brought in two transfers as well)
3 Widener (return guys and have an apparent D1 transfer) this could be more a sign of how week the other teams in the conference may be
4 Arcadia (wanted to put them at 3. Have everyone back and J Brown may be most underrated player in MACC last 2 years)
5 Alvernia (Not sure who they have brought in. Lost a ton and have NO bench experience. Wont be surprised if they show up day 1 or second semester with stud transfers as usual)
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6 Hood (Lost Cam Cook and Justin Bowens their two best players. And with rising JR Matt Galloway transfering, this could be a distant 6th place finish)
7 Albright (Loss of Kyle Jordan, Morella, Perez, Ruelle Moore and transfer of Sameer Swint might drop this team below 7th overall. This could be a long year in Reading for Alright)
8 Lycoming (Loss of Anthony, Rudy and Miller hurt a team who didnt make the playoffs last year. They won't make them again)
9 LVC (Didn't have anything outside of Agnew and that won't change)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 16, 2014, 05:03:40 pm
CCHoopster:

You might, just might, be wrong about #9 ....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 02:03:18 pm
CCHoopster - I'm more of a MACF follower (living and working in Doylestown) than a MACC follower and I love what you did here. I may give it a crack with the MACF.

If you get a chance, you've got to check out DelVal this year. I believe they play in the Albright Holiday Tournament. They return their entire roster from last year and they brought in quite the mother load this year...........including a 6'9" kid from Pepperdine (not confirmed) who's father is on DelVal's Board.

I'm looking forward to catching a few MACC games that are a little closer me.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 22, 2014, 11:09:26 pm
Big win for Messiah vs an ODAC team in Eastern Mennonite Messiah moves to 3-0. Lycoming beats Alvernia... Still unsure how Alvernia was picked second in the MACC after what they lost to graduation last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 25, 2014, 10:35:12 am
3 MAC Commonwealth Teams receiving votes in the latest D3Hoops Top 25 Poll.

Messiah- 8
Stevenson- 6
Widener- 1

Good recognition. Keep winning!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on January 13, 2015, 10:14:52 pm
Hey MACC Readers,

Welcome to the 2014-15 season.  This week should go a long way toward telling if this really is a year to "just get to the postseason."

Just a few nuggets thru exactly 1/3 of the schedule (24 of 72 games):

- The Road teams last Saturday went 4-0 with three double-digit wins and a buzzer-beater.  Road teams have won seven of the last eight.
- The average margin of victory in all conference games this season is 5.88 points.
- There have been 11 games decided by three points or fewer.
- Six of the 24 games were decided by double-digits (including 3-of-4 last weekend).

There is a handy-dandy scoreboard at GoMACSports.com/scoreboard (http://GoMACSports.com/scoreboard)

Tomorrow's league games are all 8:00 starts:
Arcadia @ Albright
Widener @ Alvernia
Lycoming @ Lebanon Valley
Stevenson @ Hood
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 25, 2015, 04:07:13 pm
So I have seen all of the MACC teams thus far. Helps having Alvernia, Albright and LVC so close!

Lycoming 7-3: Overwhelm teams with speed and pressure. Surprising depth. Can they last another 7 games winning at a high rate?
Stevenson 6-3: Underachieving. Right there in the discussion of who will win the league.
Arcadia 6-3:Excelling without Saltus- could be dangerous if he comes back. Mayberry is back playing. Can beat anyone.
Alvernia 5-4: Only play 6 players. Up and down type team. Usually play well in the second half.
Hood 5-4: Interesting team. Play really hard and over achieve a little. Cook is a really skilled player. Could see this team come up short more so than not the rest of the way.
LVC 4-5: Played well early. Have dropped four straight. May be on their way out of contention.
Messiah 3-6: Thought this team could be hosting a playoff game. See them opposite of Hood. Could win more than they lose the rest of the way. Shocked they are 3-6
Albright 2-6: Young. Lack any inside presence. Need to shoot it well to beat people. Don't look as though they have good on court chemistry (bc of youth). Building for the future is going well.
Widener: Picked to finish 2nd in the conference preseason. Not really sure whats going on in Chester.



Wednesday 1-28 games

Lycoming @ Messiah- Gut tells me the Falcons-they have to win one at home eventually, right? 78-69 Falcons
LVC @ Hood- LVC gets one on the road. Good match up for the Dutchmen. 66-59 LVC
Widener @ Albright- Widener can't lose to 8 in row. No way. Their paint presence at both ends will be too much for the Lions. 82-70 Pride.
Arcadia @Alvernia- No idea. I am going to guess Alvernia 62-58.

Not sure if there can be but there may be need to be a play in game for the fifth spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 01, 2015, 10:39:19 pm
I wasn't too good with my last picks ???

Picks for 2/4- 2 upsets (Messiah and Widener)

Messiah 74 @ Alvernia 69- Falcons are playing well. The Vern won the first meeting at Messiah so I'll take a split on the season. I'm hoping for a tight playoff race. Would certainly help make it interesting so I'll take Messiah with the big w. Still say watch this team down the stretch.

Stevenson 88 vs Albright 71- Stevenson is simply the more experienced and better team. Could be close for a while.

Arcadia 60 vs LVC 57- Home team gets the win. Agnew can only do some much.

Lycoming 82 @ Widener 74- Widener is beyond struggling.

*Hood Bye. Need it after their last game. They were down 40 at one point I think....


 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 06, 2015, 10:41:19 pm
Posting to myself ;D

3-1 last week. This is another big weekend for the MACC. Some moving and shaking occurred after Wednesday and I expect some more this time tomorrow.  Lyco and Stevenson stay at 1st and 2nd respectively with wins. Arcadia moves from 4th to 3rd with a win over LVC and with Messiahs win over Alvernia. Messiah moves from 8th to 6th. .

Lycoming   10-2   Won 4
Stevenson 8-3   Won 6
Arcadia   7-5   Won 1
Alvernia   6-5   Lost 1
Hood   5-6   Lost 3
Messiah   5-7   Won 2
LVC          5-7   Lost 2
Albright   4-7   Lost 1
Widener   2-10   Lost 10

Picks for 2/7 games:

Alvernia 68 @ Hood 62- Two teams that need to get back on track. The Vern had a tough loss at home Wednesday to an improved Messiah team (have won 3 of 4). Hood is the owner of a 3 game losing streak. Deyo, Clark and Cooper will be too much.

Lycoming 81 @ Albright 70 Albright is a young team... They have had their share of growing pains but the future looks really bright. A win here for the lions would help them keep pace for the 5th seed; an overpopulated position to be in. Lyco can/will move one game closer to locking up the #1 overall seed. They would have to lose all three to games to finish 2nd.

Widener 79 @ LVC 70- Widener has dropped 10 in a row. It's been a long time since the Pride have dropped 10 in a row. They are too good on paper to not win a game so I am going to pick them until they do.

Messiah 78 vs Stevenson 73- Check out the box scores from the last three times these teams have played each other. Double OT, OT, last seconds finishes.... Messiahs working on making something of this season when before it looked bleak. Stevenson is trying to keep a home game for the playoffs with the 2 seed. This one will be good. 

Predicted standings

Lycoming 11-2
Stevenson 8-4
Alvernia 7-5
Arcadia 7-5
Messiah 6-7
Hood 5-7
LVC 5-8
Albright 4-8
Widener 3-10
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2015, 05:40:16 pm
Given Widener's history, it's difficult to accept that they've now lost eleven in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bman on February 09, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
Given Widener's history, it's difficult to accept that they've now lost eleven in a row.

Somewhere C Allen Rowe is chuckling....
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2015, 04:44:50 pm
Given Widener's history, it's difficult to accept that they've now lost eleven in a row.

Somewhere C. Allen Rowe is chuckling....

I'm old enough to remember him. I'm also old enough to remember Widener before it was Widener, i.e., before the Widener bucks came rolling into Chester: Pennsylvania Military College and, to retain the initials, Penn-Morton College. In whatever manifestation back then, PMC/P-MC had some pretty good basketball teams. (When did Rowe begin as head coach?)

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2015, 06:55:02 pm
Given Widener's history, it's difficult to accept that they've now lost eleven in a row.

Somewhere C. Allen Rowe is chuckling....

I'm old enough to remember him. I'm also old enough to remember Widener before it was Widener, i.e., before the Widener bucks came rolling into Chester: Pennsylvania Military College and, to retain the initials, Penn-Morton College. In whatever manifestation back then, PMC/P-MC had some pretty good basketball teams. (When did Rowe begin as head coach?)

Warren: 1965   I remember PMC and Coach Rowe and 3rd all-time scorer Dennis James but by then they were Widener and Scranton played them in 3 consecutive NCAA tourneys('75-7) and both championship years('76 & '83). The '83 game was the toughest that year taking 3 OTs. Here's a link to Rowe's non-rehiring:

http://articles.philly.com/1998-11-19/sports/25731326_1_widener-alan-rowe-coaching

 Also remember when the MAC chat board members got together in Annville, probably 15 years ago; I missed that gathering(must have been bad weather) but those were the good old days for chatting with LVC, Scranton, and Wilkes jawing with each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: bman on February 09, 2015, 07:14:59 pm
Given Widener's history, it's difficult to accept that they've now lost eleven in a row.

Somewhere C. Allen Rowe is chuckling....

I'm old enough to remember him. I'm also old enough to remember Widener before it was Widener, i.e., before the Widener bucks came rolling into Chester: Pennsylvania Military College and, to retain the initials, Penn-Morton College. In whatever manifestation back then, PMC/P-MC had some pretty good basketball teams. (When did Rowe begin as head coach?)

Warren: 1965   I remember PMC and Coach Rowe and 3rd all-time scorer Dennis James but by then they were Widener and Scranton played them in 3 consecutive NCAA tourneys('75-7) and both championship years('76 & '83). The '83 game was the toughest that year taking 3 OTs. Here's a link to Rowe's non-rehiring:

http://articles.philly.com/1998-11-19/sports/25731326_1_widener-alan-rowe-coaching

 Also remember when the MAC chat board members got together in Annville, probably 15 years ago; I missed that gathering(must have been bad weather) but those were the good old days for chatting with LVC, Scranton, and Wilkes jawing with each other.

While I wasn't a basketball player, I had coach Rowe for Calculus, and was friends with several members of the bball team.  He was an old school hard nosed man, and it took effort to take his classes and play for him. I remember him handing an exam back to someone in our class (after they had missed the previous class in which everyone else received our exams) adding "I also included an application to Burger King"...classic...

I had heard he had left on bad terms, but that article really surprises me...

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2015, 11:21:01 am
Given Widener's history, it's difficult to accept that they've now lost eleven in a row.

Somewhere C. Allen Rowe is chuckling....

I'm old enough to remember him. I'm also old enough to remember Widener before it was Widener, i.e., before the Widener bucks came rolling into Chester: Pennsylvania Military College and, to retain the initials, Penn-Morton College. In whatever manifestation back then, PMC/P-MC had some pretty good basketball teams. (When did Rowe begin as head coach?)

Warren: 1965   I remember PMC and Coach Rowe and 3rd all-time scorer Dennis James but by then they were Widener and Scranton played them in 3 consecutive NCAA tourneys('75-7) and both championship years('76 & '83). The '83 game was the toughest that year taking 3 OTs. Here's a link to Rowe's non-rehiring:

http://articles.philly.com/1998-11-19/sports/25731326_1_widener-alan-rowe-coaching

 Also remember when the MAC chat board members got together in Annville, probably 15 years ago; I missed that gathering(must have been bad weather) but those were the good old days for chatting with LVC, Scranton, and Wilkes jawing with each other.

I don't think I made the first Pizza Summit, but I made it to the second, which was also in Annville. Good times! Paging Warren Thompson!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2015, 01:32:59 pm
Given Widener's history, it's difficult to accept that they've now lost eleven in a row.

Somewhere C. Allen Rowe is chuckling....

I'm old enough to remember him. I'm also old enough to remember Widener before it was Widener, i.e., before the Widener bucks came rolling into Chester: Pennsylvania Military College and, to retain the initials, Penn-Morton College. In whatever manifestation back then, PMC/P-MC had some pretty good basketball teams. (When did Rowe begin as head coach?)

Warren: 1965   I remember PMC and Coach Rowe and 3rd all-time scorer Dennis James but by then they were Widener and Scranton played them in 3 consecutive NCAA tourneys('75-7) and both championship years('76 & '83). The '83 game was the toughest that year taking 3 OTs. Here's a link to Rowe's non-rehiring:

http://articles.philly.com/1998-11-19/sports/25731326_1_widener-alan-rowe-coaching

 Also remember when the MAC chat board members got together in Annville, probably 15 years ago; I missed that gathering(must have been bad weather) but those were the good old days for chatting with LVC, Scranton, and Wilkes jawing with each other.

I don't think I made the first Pizza Summit, but I made it to the second, which was also in Annville. Good times! Paging Warren Thompson!

I am pretty sure I came to this as well! I remember Pat calling me a day or so prior and wondering if I wanted to go to something similar to this. It was back in my "early" days, so I didn't understand or appreciate the goings on in the division as much... but I certainly know about LVC, Scranton, and Wilkes! LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2015, 01:59:25 pm
I believe Jared was there, so you may have been there too. Don't remember!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2015, 06:40:20 pm
I think it was through this summit that the world first found out Wilkes was getting a transfer from The College of Charleston.
Somewhere on the Wilkes campus stands a dorm with the light left on for this wandering soul.
Rumor has it that when the light is just right, you can still see him hitchhiking on Rt. 81 N, just outside of Winchester, Va.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:27:23 pm
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2015, 02:03:01 pm
For those not commenting or completely missing it... four-way tie for second amongst teams who have already qualified for the playoffs. None of those four are playing each other in the final game of the season. They are all playing the bottom four with so many tie-breaker possibilities in play. It is obviously very important to figure out where you sit in the seedings for home court advantage... and they all play at 3pm. Buckle up!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 07, 2015, 10:38:16 am
Credit where credit is due, shout out to the Alvernia Crusaders - great game with CUA, losing by just 7!  You were doing that with 8 guys!  Miss Alvernia on our side of the MAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 13, 2015, 03:55:48 pm
Tom Dickman at Hood has stepped down as head coach, but will stay on as AD.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 15, 2015, 11:28:13 am
And as quickly as the job "opened" ... it closes. Chad Dickman, Tom's son, has been named the new head coach at Hood.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on July 22, 2015, 11:25:17 am
This Commonwealth board is lame! For having some strong teams with solid rivalries and traditions, I would think this board could get some more key strokes!

Ok: Early conference prediction. Obviously transfers (which some of the schools in the league live on) and recruits are all relatively unknown in full until rosters are posted. So this can change the below. But to kill time at work :) here we go:

1- Stevenson- Finishing regular season #1 or #2 has become habit. Along with not being able to do the same in the playoffs. They just have too much talent and with the transfers they added, they go here, for now. Ineligibility could bite them again this year early.
2- Lycoming- Lose Covington and Dougher but return everyone else from a good team that finished #1 last year. They may not skip a beat with their losses of Covington/Dougher.
3- Messiah- Lost 2 players, Fernandez and Hoy. Two enormous losses. But return 3 starters and the rest of their roster. They won't be denied playoffs back to back years. Rumbling of a D1 transfer in the house for the Falcons too. Who plays PG? SHould have best front court in the league at 6'7-6'8.
4- Albright- They were young and showed tremendous life at times last year. Have a great 1/2 punch with Dejour Smith and Omari Ringold- maybe the best wing duo in the league?If Gantz is back and they fill the PG spot, they could compete for a home playoff game.
5- LVC- Playoff drought is starting to gain momentum. This is the year they can make a return to postseason play. They will be very young. The loss of Agnew is big but the transfer Sam Light from Millersville is a better player than Agnew. The Light/Eudy duo will be big. They need to some pieces to step up!
6- Alvernia- Well, they only played 5 maybe 6 guys the past two years. That could hurt them this year. No depth/experience outside of Cooper (maybe Miller). No size but did get a very good D1 or D2 transfer PG.
7- Hood- New coach, lost key pieces. Not sure how to rank them but this seems fair.
8- Widener- Lost 14 in a row to end the season. That has become a habit for the Pride.
9- Arcadia- Lost a ton and the cupboards bare. Best freshman from last year Mayberry transferred to Stevenson.


Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 27, 2015, 03:20:23 pm
I'd go with this:

1. Lycoming
2. Stevenson
3. Albright
4. LVC
5. Alvernia
6. Messiah
7. Arcadia
8. Hood
9. Widener
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Shooter McGavin on October 28, 2015, 11:05:16 am
Preseason Poll came out today. It goes as follows:

2015-16 MAC Commonwealth Men's Basketball Preseason Poll

Rank-Team-Points-1st Place Votes

1. Stevenson- 60- 4
2. Lycoming- 58- 3
3. Albright- 46- 2         
4. Alvernia- 42
5. LVC- 35
6. Messiah- 29
7. Widener- 24
8. Hood- 16
9. Arcadia- 15

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2015, 09:41:19 pm
Stevenson is off to an 0-2 start with losses at home to York and Goucher (87-76 tonight). Not pretty. I was at most of tonight's game (watched the end on the way home) and they had moments where they were on the same page and others when it was in complete disarray. They are missing some pieces I thought would be back - not sure why not as I don't ask.

The tough part: Dickinson and Emory this weekend in the Hoopsville Classic and then the Mustangs don't have a home game until January 2.

Really surprising start.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 19, 2015, 08:59:25 am
This is what happens when you rely on transfers to replace graduation. If you strike out, you really strike out. They have two guys, Roberts and Fisher.... The rest are average (not a knock) players who thrived when surrounded by older, highly talented/athletic transfers...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2015, 03:48:43 pm
Well, knowing Gary Stewart, I don't know how much he really relies on transfers... though, he has had a few that have contributed. I assumed Sean Farr would be back this season. I finally asked today where he was... didn't realize he had a family and is playing semi-pro ball in the area now.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2015, 07:25:55 pm
Hoopsville is on the air NOW!

We aren't even a week into the new season and there is already plenty to talk about. Thursday night on Hoopsville, Dave talks to the new women's basketball committee chair, previews a rare D1 at D3 game, takes a look at the 4th Annual Hoopsville National Invitational Classic at Stevenson University, plus much more in an extended edition of the show.

Guests include:
- Keri Carollo, UW-Whitewater Head Coach and NCAA Women's Basketball Committee Chair
- Joe Cassidy, Rowan men
- John Giannini, La Salle men and former Rowan coach
- Gary Stewart, Stevenson men
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Mid-Atlantic columnist

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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 03, 2015, 08:56:48 am
Lycoming has to be the favorite to win the MAC at this point in the season. Stevenson, Messiah and Alvernia all under performing thus far. Leb Val quietly off to a good start.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: john23 on December 07, 2015, 08:24:09 am
Hi all, I've been a reader for a while but never made an account to post anything.

I was wondering if anyone knew what was going on with Bolen from Hood? Was having a pretty good start to the year but it looks like he got hurt early on against Albright and it didn't look like he was on the bench in their win over Widener on Saturday. Could be a pretty big blow for them if he's out for a significant amount of time, considering their replacements so far this year have seemed to be shaky at best. It'll be interesting to see if Ruiz and Hill can continue to make up for the loss offensively, but Hopefully they can get him back soon because they were looking good after their 4-0 start.

Just a side note, is there any reason why they don't play their two bigs(Wegener and Casey) together? I'm not really sure why a team that has trouble rebounding the ball would want to avoid having 6'8 and 6'6 on the floor at the same time, especially with the lackluster production they've been getting out of the rest of their bench to start the year. With Bolen out, or even to give guys a blow when he's back, they could have a back line on their zone of Wegener Casey and Magnuski, which are three of the longer and better rebounders in the conference. I'm not sure how that would work out offensively for them, but Wegener is a force inside and having the two of them together would certainly create matchup problems for everyone but Messiah and force teams to go zone and open things up for their stable of shooters from outside. Add onto that the offensive rebounding that you'll get from the way They both crash the glass and it just seems like it may not be out of the question to say that Hood is the favorite in the conference if everything comes together, but starting 3 freshmen(not that they don't need Wegener and Ruiz in there) may be a self-fulfilling prophecy for them. But it  doesn't really make sense to have Casey playing 14 minutes a game considering their needs and what  they're getting from the other guys they're playing off the bench and in place of Bolen. I'm not really sure how it would affect them logistically at this point, but it's a pretty big indictment of their new coach if he can't figure out a way to get them playing together.
The only reasons I could think of are maybe they don't want to move Wegener or Casey out of the middle of their zone, but Caseys looked pretty aggressive and mobile defensively in the few Hood games I've seen so far this year and I doubt that would be a problem, especially since they had Brown out there last year. Unless they're trying to limit his minutes early on in the year. I noticed he's been wearing a wrap on his left leg, so that may have something to do with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on December 16, 2015, 03:05:54 pm
Hi all, I've been a reader for a while but never made an account to post anything.

I was wondering if anyone knew what was going on with Bolen from Hood? Was having a pretty good start to the year but it looks like he got hurt early on against Albright and it didn't look like he was on the bench in their win over Widener on Saturday. Could be a pretty big blow for them if he's out for a significant amount of time, considering their replacements so far this year have seemed to be shaky at best. It'll be interesting to see if Ruiz and Hill can continue to make up for the loss offensively, but Hopefully they can get him back soon because they were looking good after their 4-0 start.

Just a side note, is there any reason why they don't play their two bigs(Wegener and Casey) together? I'm not really sure why a team that has trouble rebounding the ball would want to avoid having 6'8 and 6'6 on the floor at the same time, especially with the lackluster production they've been getting out of the rest of their bench to start the year. With Bolen out, or even to give guys a blow when he's back, they could have a back line on their zone of Wegener Casey and Magnuski, which are three of the longer and better rebounders in the conference. I'm not sure how that would work out offensively for them, but Wegener is a force inside and having the two of them together would certainly create matchup problems for everyone but Messiah and force teams to go zone and open things up for their stable of shooters from outside. Add onto that the offensive rebounding that you'll get from the way They both crash the glass and it just seems like it may not be out of the question to say that Hood is the favorite in the conference if everything comes together, but starting 3 freshmen(not that they don't need Wegener and Ruiz in there) may be a self-fulfilling prophecy for them. But it  doesn't really make sense to have Casey playing 14 minutes a game considering their needs and what  they're getting from the other guys they're playing off the bench and in place of Bolen. I'm not really sure how it would affect them logistically at this point, but it's a pretty big indictment of their new coach if he can't figure out a way to get them playing together.
The only reasons I could think of are maybe they don't want to move Wegener or Casey out of the middle of their zone, but Caseys looked pretty aggressive and mobile defensively in the few Hood games I've seen so far this year and I doubt that would be a problem, especially since they had Brown out there last year. Unless they're trying to limit his minutes early on in the year. I noticed he's been wearing a wrap on his left leg, so that may have something to do with it.

Bolen shattered his arm- could be career ending but definitely the season.

Hood wants to play a trapping style full court zone. The three bigs would make offense difficult to run offense and play in the full court on D.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on January 21, 2016, 09:41:41 am
Lycoming is about to run away with the conference. Historically the MACC has come down to the final week of play to see who wins it, but I think Lycoming starts to give themselves some breathing room as they are in cruise control after their disappointing loss to Widener a few weeks back. It has really sparked their engine.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on January 21, 2016, 09:42:49 am
2015-16 Men's Basketball Standings-MAC Commonwealth

SCHOOL   CONF   CPCT.   OVERALL   PCT.   STREAK
Lycoming   6-2   0.750   14-3   0.824   W5
Arcadia   5-3   0.625   12-5   0.706   L1
Lebanon Valley   5-3   0.625   11-6   0.647   L2
Alvernia   5-3   0.625   9-8   0.529   W2
Stevenson   4-4   0.500   6-11   0.353   W1
Hood   3-5   0.375   9-8   0.529   L1
Widener   3-5   0.375   8-9   0.471   W3
Albright   3-5   0.375   6-11   0.353   L4
Messiah   2-6   0.250   5-12   0.294   W1
Title: The Matrix
Post by: Jon on February 02, 2016, 12:00:45 pm
The Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_Matrix) has been reloaded.  We're up to speed for the rest of the 2015-16 regular season.

We're also up to speed on #Jonas reschedules with the two games played last night.  Only off nights from here out at the regularly scheduled byes.
Title: Re: The Matrix
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 03, 2016, 10:56:38 am
The Matrix (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_Matrix) has been reloaded.  We're up to speed for the rest of the 2015-16 regular season.

We're also up to speed on #Jonas reschedules with the two games played last night.  Only off nights from here out at the regularly scheduled byes.

Great info thank you!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:37:01 pm
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
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We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 04, 2016, 12:03:36 pm
A few links of interest heading into the weekend...

The MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_Matrix) is up to date.

Alvernia GAME NOTES (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_InfoSheet) for Saturday's big game at Lebanon Valley, which is a 2 p.m. start.

The MAC SCOREBOARD (http://gomacsports.com/scoreboard/).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2016, 03:52:41 pm
MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_Matrix) uploaded through first two games today.

Lycoming 41, @ Arcadia 40 HALF
Messiah @ Albright 4:00 tip
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 06, 2016, 05:48:48 pm
One more MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_Matrix) update today with all games complete.

Alvernia moves 2.5 games up on Arcadia in first place.  The fight for the playoffs looks to go down to the wire.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 08, 2016, 06:45:41 pm
Any of the normal readers in here care to take a crack at first and second team All-Conference? Would be interested in hearing your opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2016, 10:36:06 am
Passing along some links for tonight's games.

MAC Scoreboard (http://gomacsports.com/scoreboard/)
Albright @ Lycoming
Alvernia @ Arcadia
Hood @ Messiah
Lebanon Valley @ Stevenson
Widener OFF

Alvernia @ Arcadia Game Notes (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_InfoSheet)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2016, 11:55:03 am
Jon,

Do you ever feel like you're talking to yourself?

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2016, 01:31:43 pm
I have a certain level of confidence there at a minimum there are some readers.

I also have a hope that occasionally some lost soul happens upon the Mid-Atlantic Region page and sees the Commonwealth listed near the top for recent posts and pops their head in for a gander.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:55:41 pm
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2016, 02:04:05 pm
Well, D-Mac just broke your string of consecutive posts.

With that, is he D-MAC Freedom or D-MAC Commonwealth?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2016, 05:43:01 pm
I'm not going to count bulk messages from administrators for breaking up my streak.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2016, 05:55:11 pm
I'm not going to count bulk messages from administrators for breaking up my streak.

I think it was cut and paste - Pat did the women's boards.  If it were bulk, they would've been able to do them all the same.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2016, 06:07:03 pm
Down goes the streak on a technicality.  Time to start a new one.

Crusaders clinch the top seed with a win tonight.  Big game tonight Lebanon Valley @ Stevenson.  Widener moves into a tie with the loser for either 5th or 6th depending Albright @ Lycoming result.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 11, 2016, 11:07:49 am
Lycoming is about to run away with the conference. Historically the MACC has come down to the final week of play to see who wins it, but I think Lycoming starts to give themselves some breathing room as they are in cruise control after their disappointing loss to Widener a few weeks back. It has really sparked their engine.

Monday morning QB here.... You mean Alvernia, not Lyco :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on February 11, 2016, 11:18:21 am
Any of the normal readers in here care to take a crack at first and second team All-Conference? Would be interested in hearing your opinions.

1st Team

Light, Landro, Marshall, Fisher, Orr

Second Team

Roberts, Cooper, Ringgold, M Miller, Sambo

HM

Dujaun Smith, R Kelly, N King, G Sapp
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 12, 2016, 10:16:01 am
Thanks for a willingness to jump in, Hoopster.  I did notice your first and second team are the top 5 and second 5 in league scoring.  Obviously a good place to start, but I'd like to see how the coaches juggle that list up.

I feel like Sambo has been coming on strong.  He's a tough match-up.  Interested to see if Widener makes a push here in the last eight days will the coaches elevate him on the ballot.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2016, 05:48:56 pm
MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/MB_Matrix) Reloaded through Saturday games.

Eight of nine teams in the MAC Commonwealth still alive for a berth.  Tiebreakers looming large right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2016, 10:21:45 am
The MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2016/2/2/2015_16_MB_Matrix.pdf) is uploaded.

These are the things we know for the postseason:

1. Alvernia will be #1 seed.
2. LVC is in, and would be #2 with a win over Lycoming on Saturday.
3. Albright, Hood, and Messiah are out.
4. There is a 4-way tie for the last three spots.  One team from the list of Arcadia, Lycoming, Stevenson, and Widener will also be out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on February 17, 2016, 12:20:14 pm
My thoughts on all-conference teams this year:

First Team
Charles Cooper, Alvernia; Marquis Marshall, Alvernia, Andy Orr, Lebanon Valley; Erik Fisher, Stevenson; Kendall Green, Widener

Second Team
John Landro, Arcadia; Sardayah Sambo, Widener; Nykolas King, Lycoming; Sam Light, Lebanon Valley; DeJuan Smith, Albright

Honorable Mention
Davon Hill, Hood; Mike Miller, Alvernia; Christian Roberts, Stevenson; Omari Ringgold, Albright; David Johnson, Lycoming

Rookie of the Year - Josh Scott, Arcadia

Coach of the Year is still potentially up for grabs this Saturday, but they will probably take the easy way out and give it to Mike Miller of Alvernia.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on February 17, 2016, 04:09:17 pm
Does anyone know the tie-breaking procedures for the conference since it's likely we could end this weekend needing to go through the process to determine who is the last team in the tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2016, 06:00:31 pm
Does anyone know the tie-breaking procedures for the conference since it's likely we could end this weekend needing to go through the process to determine who is the last team in the tournament?

Almost every conference does head to head, then best record against other conference opponents from top to bottom.  Not for sure, but I don't know any conference that does it differently.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2016, 06:59:59 pm
It is as Hoops Fan says.  The particulars are on the MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2016/2/2/2015_16_MB_Matrix.pdf).  The only thing not spelled out there is basically that once a team is separated (either top or bottom) from a tied group, the remaining teams in that group revert back to the first tiebreaker (head to head).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2016, 07:14:44 pm
My thoughts on all-conference teams this year:

First Team
Charles Cooper, Alvernia; Marquis Marshall, Alvernia, Andy Orr, Lebanon Valley; Erik Fisher, Stevenson; Kendall Green, Widener

Second Team
John Landro, Arcadia; Sardayah Sambo, Widener; Nykolas King, Lycoming; Sam Light, Lebanon Valley; DeJuan Smith, Albright

Honorable Mention
Davon Hill, Hood; Mike Miller, Alvernia; Christian Roberts, Stevenson; Omari Ringgold, Albright; David Johnson, Lycoming

Rookie of the Year - Josh Scott, Arcadia

Coach of the Year is still potentially up for grabs this Saturday, but they will probably take the easy way out and give it to Mike Miller of Alvernia.

Like the addition of Green on the first team. He makes them go, and they've been going pretty good over the last few weeks.

Not sure going with Miller is the easy way out for Coach of the Year.  In six years in the Commonwealth prior to this one his team's seedings have been: n/a, 1, n/a, 1, 2, 4, and he's never been COTY.  Saturday's results could lead to some pretty interesting disparities between preseason poll prediction and postseason seeding.  We'll see if that plays into voting at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 17, 2016, 08:32:59 pm
It is as Hoops Fan says.  The particulars are on the MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2016/2/2/2015_16_MB_Matrix.pdf).  The only thing not spelled out there is basically that once a team is separated (either top or bottom) from a tied group, the remaining teams in that group revert back to the first tiebreaker (head to head).

I'm rooting for a five-way tie for second, which is quite possible (although unlikely) after Saturday.

I checked, by the way.  If it's a five way tie, Stevenson is the odd team out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 17, 2016, 08:40:24 pm
Correct.  Stevenson is out with a loss, and the only scenario it is also out with a win is the 5-way tie for second.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2016, 12:19:05 am
I know the conference goes to points for and against far sooner than other conferences... it came up last year and surprised me. In fact, I think they go to points BEFORE they go to how teams did against other teams in the conference. Like second or third on the tiebreaking order.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2016, 07:25:17 am
I know the conference goes to points for and against far sooner than other conferences... it came up last year and surprised me. In fact, I think they go to points BEFORE they go to how teams did against other teams in the conference. Like second or third on the tiebreaking order.

Here's the summary of tie-breaker procedures:

1.  Head-to-Head results between and among the tied teams in Conference games.

2. Tied teams' won-loss records vs. Conference teams in Conference games starting with #1, #2, etc.

3.  Point differential between and among the tied teams with a maximum of 15 points in each game.

4. Tied teams' point differential in conference contests starting with #1, #2, etc. ranked team with a maximum differential of 15 points in each game.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 18, 2016, 08:14:02 am
I know the conference goes to points for and against far sooner than other conferences... it came up last year and surprised me. In fact, I think they go to points BEFORE they go to how teams did against other teams in the conference. Like second or third on the tiebreaking order.

Here's the summary of tie-breaker procedures:

1.  Head-to-Head results between and among the tied teams in Conference games.

2. Tied teams' won-loss records vs. Conference teams in Conference games starting with #1, #2, etc.

3.  Point differential between and among the tied teams with a maximum of 15 points in each game.

4. Tied teams' point differential in conference contests starting with #1, #2, etc. ranked team with a maximum differential of 15 points in each game.

The bigger question is if the select or eliminate first in a tie.  For example, in a five way tie, two teams would be 5-3 against the rest, one 4-4, and two 3-5.  Do they put the top teams in automatically and then re-break the tie or do they pull the bottom two out and break the tie between them?  That should also be outlined in the tiebreaker procedures wherever you found them (I tried to locate them and couldn't).  Conferences do it both ways, but it would make a difference in the event of a more than two way tie.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2016, 09:11:48 am
The bigger question is if the select or eliminate first in a tie.  For example, in a five way tie, two teams would be 5-3 against the rest, one 4-4, and two 3-5.  Do they put the top teams in automatically and then re-break the tie or do they pull the bottom two out and break the tie between them?  That should also be outlined in the tiebreaker procedures wherever you found them (I tried to locate them and couldn't).  Conferences do it both ways, but it would make a difference in the event of a more than two way tie.

The tiebreakers work to qualify teams (as opposed to eliminate), so in the case mentioned above the two 5-3 teams would be taken out of the 5-way tie and those two would start over with the tiebreakers from head-to-head.  Then the three teams remaining from the original 5-way tie would be in a 3-way tie for the next available spot...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on February 18, 2016, 11:55:42 am
Sorry if I'm not getting this correct, but the second step is kind of confusing. Is it the tied teams W-L vs #1, then #2, etc. or the tied teams total conference W-L? Also if it is the W-L vs #1, then #2, etc. does it stop after there isn't a tie in the second process? If so then Arcadia is 2-0 vs Alvernia.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2016, 12:10:38 pm
No problem, tweisman5. If head to head (H2H) doesn't break the tie, you compare the tied teams against the #1 team (where Arcadia is always favored--in a 2-way tie--as the only 2-0 team vs Alvernia).  If that doesn't break it, then compare vs #2 and so on.

I don't think this happened anywhere this time around, but this would only consider conference games, so if two conference teams played each other in a regular-season tournament, or just scheduled a non-conference game for fun, that wouldn't count in this tiebreaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2016, 12:16:27 pm
I was under the impression the difference in points went ahead of team results against conference opponents. I say that because I was surprised last year with the way a tiebreaker was broken down because I had been doing the team vs conference comparison when it apparently had already been broken with points. Hood comes to mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 18, 2016, 12:28:12 pm
Here's a link to the 2014-15 MATRIX (http://athletics.alvernia.edu/documents/2012/2/10/11-12_MB_Matrix.pdf), and here's my understanding of how the 4-way tie at 10-6 was broken.

Lycoming was 13-3 and the #1 seed.

1. Alvernia, Arcadia, Hood, and Stevenson were all 3-3 against the other three teams in the 4-way tie.
2. Stevenson and Hood were 1-1 against Lycoming, while Alvernia and Arcadia were were 0-2.  That qualifies Stevenson and Hood for the next two spots.

1a. Hood and Stevenson split their season series.
2a. Hood and Stevenson were both 1-1 vs Lycoming.  Either Alvernia or Arcadia would be #4, but because their tie can't be broken H2H, that stops the progression through #2.
3a. Point differential (max 15).  Stevenson beat Hood by 8.  Hood beat Stevenson by 3.  Stevenson is #2, Hood #3.

1b. Alvernia and Arcadia split their season series.
2b. Alvernia and Arcadia were both 0-2 vs Lycoming.  Alvernia was 2-0 vs #2 Stevenson, Arcadia was 0-2 vs #2 Stevenson.  Alvernia is #4, Arcadia is #5.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 18, 2016, 03:18:56 pm
Lycoming is about to run away with the conference. Historically the MACC has come down to the final week of play to see who wins it, but I think Lycoming starts to give themselves some breathing room as they are in cruise control after their disappointing loss to Widener a few weeks back. It has really sparked their engine.

Monday morning QB here.... You mean Alvernia, not Lyco :)


Yes what a change of events! It's like after Lycoming beat Alvernia they decided to trade form with one another...that's why you play the game  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2016, 05:07:53 pm

Lycoming is in either way.  If Arcadia wins tonight, they're #4, if they lose, Widener is the #5.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 20, 2016, 05:20:23 pm

Lycoming is in either way.  If Arcadia wins tonight, they're #4, if they lose, Widener is the #5.

Not quite, Hoops Fan.  According to tiebreakers if Arcadia wins, Lycoming is #5.  If Arcadia loses, Lycoming is out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2016, 05:26:18 pm

Lycoming is in either way.  If Arcadia wins tonight, they're #4, if they lose, Widener is the #5.

Not quite, Hoops Fan.  According to tiebreakers if Arcadia wins, Lycoming is #5.  If Arcadia loses, Lycoming is out.

You're right.  I wrote that wrong.  Arcadia is in either way - if they win, Lycoming beat Widener head to head; if they lose, Widener wins the 3-way tie and Arcadia gets the #5 on head-to-head.  I put the wrong name up there.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 20, 2016, 05:33:35 pm

Lycoming is in either way.  If Arcadia wins tonight, they're #4, if they lose, Widener is the #5.

Not quite, Hoops Fan.  According to tiebreakers if Arcadia wins, Lycoming is #5.  If Arcadia loses, Lycoming is out.

You're right.  I wrote that wrong.  Arcadia is in either way - if they win, Lycoming beat Widener head to head; if they lose, Widener wins the 3-way tie and Arcadia gets the #5 on head-to-head.  I put the wrong name up there.

Now we're good to go.  Anxious feelings in Chester.  And they have to wait 45 minutes since the women's game went OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 20, 2016, 09:32:31 pm
MAC Commonwealth Men's Basketball Championships.

1. Alvernia
2. Lebanon Valley
3. Arcadia
4. Stevenson
5. Lycoming

Lycoming @ Stevenson on Monday.  Winner @ Alvernia on Wednesday at 7 p.m.
Arcadia @ Lebanon Valley on Wednesday.

Championship game Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 22, 2016, 01:09:41 pm
I see Lycoming getting out of their funk with a fresh slate of the second season and beating Stevenson 73-69. Then they will battle tough with Alvernia but come up short 84-75. Alvernia will then face Leb Val in the final after Leb Val wins an overtime thriller 69-64 over Arcadia. Ultimately I think Alvernia ends up winning it all taking down Leb Val by a score of 71-65. But with how close everything is this season I wouldn't be surprised if the complete opposite happened!

First game is today correct? Lycoming traveling to Stevenson. Should be a great first round matchup!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 22, 2016, 01:31:23 pm
First game is today correct? Lycoming traveling to Stevenson. Should be a great first round matchup!

#5 Lycoming @ #4 Stevenson tonight at 7:00.  Here's the Stevenson PREVIEW (http://gomustangsports.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20160222-preview).
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 22, 2016, 04:26:52 pm
First game is today correct? Lycoming traveling to Stevenson. Should be a great first round matchup!

#5 Lycoming @ #4 Stevenson tonight at 7:00.  Here's the Stevenson PREVIEW (http://gomustangsports.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20160222-preview).

Thanks Jon! I will check it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 22, 2016, 09:08:14 pm
#5 Lycoming 89, @ #4 Stevenson 75 FINAL

Lycoming @ #1 Alvernia Wednesday at 7:00 p.m. in a rematch of last year's semifinal.
#3 Arcadia @ #2 Lebanon Valley in the other semifinal.

Final Saturday, Feb. 27 at higher seed. Time TBA.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 23, 2016, 08:36:51 am
1/1 on my picks so far! Trying to channel my inner Joe Lunardi  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:18:57 pm
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 24, 2016, 02:23:00 pm
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/

Please use this board only for posting information that is pertinent to the MAC Commonwealth Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:28:46 pm
Jon... we post the regional rankings to all boards where it could be relevant. Yes, there are no regionally ranked teams in the Commonwealth this season, but that hasn't been the case for a number of years. You don't control the content of this board and I do feel it is relevant for anyone who may not be as familiar with the system when talking about any at-large possibilities. Those questions always come up this time of year from all locations even if those chances are none.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 24, 2016, 02:33:54 pm
Jon... we post the regional rankings to all boards where it could be relevant. Yes, there are no regionally ranked teams in the Commonwealth this season, but that hasn't been the case for a number of years. You don't control the content of this board and I do feel it is relevant for anyone who may not be as familiar with the system when talking about any at-large possibilities. Those questions always come up this time of year from all locations even if those chances are none.

 :) I knew I should have put my #sarcasm hashtag in there.  Just adding some levity for the plight of the unranked.  Enjoy some postseason action tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:36:05 pm
You know... I had a feeling... but I just wasn't sure. While I take my foot out of my mouth... I tip my hat to what I should have known was sarcasm - since I like to throw that around as well.

Good day, sir.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 24, 2016, 03:17:55 pm
Any predictions for tonight's games? I posted mine previously but will share again.

Alvernia 84
Lycoming 75

Leb Val 69
Arcadia 64
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on February 29, 2016, 09:11:47 am
Wow Lycoming wins it as the 5 seed! What a comeback by Arcadia but it must hurt to fall just short at home. If that game goes 3 more minutes I think Arcadia may have been able to pull off the comeback. Good luck to Lycoming in the NCAA tournament. Selection show is today at 12:30. http://www.ncaa.com/liveschedule

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 29, 2016, 11:10:47 pm
I am no longer surprised by 5-seeds winning MAC Commonwealth titles. I call it the "Albright Run."
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on March 01, 2016, 08:59:58 am
I am no longer surprised by 5-seeds winning MAC Commonwealth titles. I call it the "Albright Run."

I agree. What are the chances, in your opinion, that Lycoming knocks off CNU?

Long road trip against a top 5 team. Going to be a tough task. Lycoming seems athletic enough to contest with anyone, but it all depends what team shows up. They have a sense of Jekyll and Hyde this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on March 01, 2016, 09:45:37 am
I am no longer surprised by 5-seeds winning MAC Commonwealth titles. I call it the "Albright Run."

You sure we can't call it the "Alvernia Run."
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 01, 2016, 09:54:58 am
Lycoming's on a roll, which makes for a very dangerous team...should be a good game!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 01:14:12 pm
I am no longer surprised by 5-seeds winning MAC Commonwealth titles. I call it the "Albright Run."

You sure we can't call it the "Alvernia Run."

Yeah - WAY too tired when I wrote that last night.

I did mean "Alvernia Run." WAY too many A teams in this league and way too little sleep this weekend - rather the last seven months with way too little sleep. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on March 01, 2016, 01:18:40 pm
I am no longer surprised by 5-seeds winning MAC Commonwealth titles. I call it the "Albright Run."

You sure we can't call it the "Alvernia Run."

Yeah - WAY too tired when I wrote that last night.

I did mean "Alvernia Run." WAY too many A teams in this league and way too little sleep this weekend - rather the last seven months with way too little sleep. LOL

We certainly don't make it easy on anyone with our crosstown rival...then throw Arcadia in the mix and its just a cluster.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 01:20:58 pm
Yeah... love all three of them so much LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2016, 07:14:05 pm
I'm just wondering how many parsecs this run takes ...
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2016, 06:53:09 pm
I'm just wondering how many parsecs this run takes ...

Wow - you went geek?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2016, 12:22:09 am
I'm just wondering how many parsecs this run takes ...

Wow - you went geek?

Haven't you met me? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 28, 2016, 03:12:45 pm
Lebanon Valley opens its season 15 November at D1 George Mason. (NOTE: this isn't an exhibition game.)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 29, 2016, 12:12:45 pm
Indeed! The Patriots are led by former D3 national champion Dave Paulsen.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on August 19, 2016, 09:49:40 pm
Picks for the league this year... Ready, go:

1- Lycoming
2- LVC
3- Alvernia
4- Albright
5- Hood
6- Arcadia
7- Stevenson
8- Widener
9- Messiah
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: coachrcal on October 18, 2016, 09:07:17 pm
It' is going to be a battle between those top 3 teams.  I could see any of them winning it.  Do not sleep on Albright or Arcadia either.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 16, 2016, 12:47:56 am
Commonwealth goes 5-2 tonight in D3 games. LVC played D1 G. Mason and had a lead at the half or later in the half.

Arcadia with a great effort vs Gwynedd Mercy
Stevenson loses as they have some in the past @ old MAC team Etown
Messiah blows buy Clarks Summit
Alvernia with a solid win vs Wesley
Albright over PSU Berks
Hood over Marymount

Good night for the Cwealth!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2016, 06:29:00 pm
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) returns to the air tonight - shortly - at 7pm ET! Join us as Dave McHugh takes a look at yet another crazy start to the Division III basketball season especially on the men's side. Dave will also bring back interviews conducted at this year's #Hoopsville Classic. There will also be plenty of time to answer your questions, so join us!

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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2016, 11:15:38 am
Quiet board, but just wanted to note that this week's Around the Mid Atlantic column focuses on Lebanon Valley's transformation into a title contender.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2016-17/leb-val-changes-for-better
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 12, 2017, 11:59:10 am
Looks like there is a clear 1 and 2 for now in the C Wealth with Lyco and Albright. Albright has been an interesting team this year.

Lyco with a big win to retake first over Albright.

LVC behind a perfect Conrad with a road win at Arcadia, tough place to win these days vs a talented coach and team.

Hood gets a convincing win vs Messiah who was on quite the roll having won 5 of 6.

Widener with a much needed win over Alvernia.

As usual, this conference will be a muddle until the last week, which is what makes it exciting. My money is on Lyco down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on January 19, 2017, 09:21:34 am
Well, the Commonwealth is a humbo jumbo of teams vying for the playoffs as usual.

Last nights results:

Vern 70- Albright 63
LVC 82- Messiah 63
Widener 70- Arcadia 56
Hood 95- Stevenson 68

Current Standings:

Lyco
Hood
LVC
Albright
Alvernia
Messiah
Widener
Arcadia
Stevenson

Saturday Predictions:

Arcadia 74 Stevenson 68
Albright 88 Widener 77
Lycoming 70 Hood 66
Alvernia 73 LVC 70

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 20, 2017, 09:22:35 am
Around the Nation focuses on D3 alums playing professionally, including Andy Panko of Lebanon Valley who's still going strong at 39:

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016-17/going-pro-from-division-3

Also, what happened to Arcadia? I thought they brought a lot back from last year's conference finalist team?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on March 01, 2017, 12:22:14 am
Here is a little comparison for MACC followers for the first round game.

Cavaliers of Cabrini(CSAC At-Large) taking on the Warriors of Lycoming, (MAC Commonwealth Conference Champions) on Friday at 5:30 at Middlebury. No common opponents.

Lycoming:   23-4 (0-0 N)   Opponents:
81.9               pts/gm             71.9
46.1%              fg                   41.5%
35.8%              3fg                 33.4%
5.1                3fg/gm               5.4     
66.7%              FT                  69.2%
16.2              FT/gm               14.1
40.8          rebounds/gm        35.9
15.7            assists/gm            15.1
13.6               TO/gm              17.4
9.7               steals/gm             5.9
2.6                blocks/gm           3.9
 
Leading Scorers:   David Johnson 14.5   Chris Wallace 12.3
Leading Rebounders: Chris Wallace 6.9   Nyk King 5.7

Cabrini:       19-7 (2-1 N)    Opponents:
83.2               pts/gm            74.1
44.6%                 fg              42.1%
32.0%                 3fg             31.8%
6.9                    3fg/gm         6.5     
68.8%                  FT             63.9%
16.0                  FT/gm           12.1
41.8              rebounds/gm    41.6
14.0               assists/gm       12.5
12.7                  TO/gm         16.6
 9.4                  steals/gm       6.5
4.4                   blocks/gm       3.2

Leading Scorers:   Tyheim Monroe 22.6 DeVhante Mosley 14.3
Leading Rebounders: Tyheim Monroe 16.2 Deryl Bagwell 7.7
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: kate on March 03, 2017, 10:28:00 am
Great post Mailsy, but just want to wish Lycoming good luck tonight!  Certainly, may the better team win!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 22, 2017, 04:44:33 pm
Mike Rhoades, LVC '95, was today named head coach at Virginia Commonwealth University. For the past three seasons he was head coach at Rice University.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2017, 04:56:11 pm
The next wave of this is coming. Is it 2005-06-07 all over again?
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 06, 2017, 06:45:33 pm
It looks like Stevenson's best freshmen from last year, Cameron Hayes, transferred to D2 Bowie State. It sucks to see him transfer as he would have been a key piece in returning Stevenson to a top tier conference contender! Link of proof is below:

http://www.bsubulldogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4223
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: ronk on November 06, 2017, 07:08:26 pm
It looks like Stevenson's best freshmen from last year, Cameron Hayes, transferred to D2 Bowie State. It sucks to see him transfer as he would have been a key piece in returning Stevenson to a top tier conference contender! Link of proof is below:

http://www.bsubulldogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4223

It's become a significant factor in college ball, but usually lower D1 teams losing their best players to upper D1 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2017, 01:04:27 pm
It looks like Stevenson's best freshmen from last year, Cameron Hayes, transferred to D2 Bowie State. It sucks to see him transfer as he would have been a key piece in returning Stevenson to a top tier conference contender! Link of proof is below:

http://www.bsubulldogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4223

It's become a significant factor in college ball, but usually lower D1 teams losing their best players to upper D1 teams.

There have been a handful of players who have left Mid-Atlantic teams (Goucher, St. Mary's, Stevenson, others) for Bowie State... and it is the last we hear from them. I know there are several factors usually in play, but usually it is someone in their ear telling them they can be great outside of DIII - or how they are "better" than "this level." I can't tell you how frustrating this is. Personally, these gentlemen have a chance to stand out at their respective colleges and only get lost at Bowie State. The proof has been in the pudding for years... but don't tell those who only see division levels and nothing else. Bowie State could get beat by quite a few DIII schools in this region alone.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2017, 03:38:21 pm
It looks like Stevenson's best freshmen from last year, Cameron Hayes, transferred to D2 Bowie State. It sucks to see him transfer as he would have been a key piece in returning Stevenson to a top tier conference contender! Link of proof is below:

http://www.bsubulldogs.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4223

It's become a significant factor in college ball, but usually lower D1 teams losing their best players to upper D1 teams.

There have been a handful of players who have left Mid-Atlantic teams (Goucher, St. Mary's, Stevenson, others) for Bowie State... and it is the last we hear from them. I know there are several factors usually in play, but usually it is someone in their ear telling them they can be great outside of DIII - or how they are "better" than "this level." I can't tell you how frustrating this is. Personally, these gentlemen have a chance to stand out at their respective colleges and only get lost at Bowie State. The proof has been in the pudding for years... but don't tell those who only see division levels and nothing else. Bowie State could get beat by quite a few DIII schools in this region alone.

Okay give me the teams that can beat Bowie State...

http://www.bsubulldogs.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=129

Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 10, 2017, 10:19:25 pm
Below are my preseason predictions for the 2017-18 season. This is my assumed regular season standing before conference tournament play occurs, which is when crazy things happen! The rating (.#) is a formula I built to test this season. It is based on a WMA (Weighted Moving Average) of previous 5 years (40% of rating), production rate returning: points, rebounds, and assists (40%), and coach's years at institution (20%).

Good luck to everyone this season!

Preseason Prediction

Tier 1: Championship Contenders (.575 to .625)
Alvernia: 1st (.625)
Leb Val: 2nd (.597)
Lycoming: 3rd (.592)

Tier 2: Dark Horse (.525 to .574)
Albright: 4th (.529)

Tier 3: Noise Makers (.475 to .524)
Arcadia: 5th (.506)
Stevenson: 6th (.484)
Widener: 7th (.484)

Tier 4: Middle of the Pack (.425 to .474)
Messiah: 8th (.456)

Tier 5: Bottom Feeder (.409 to .424)
Hood: 9th (.409)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 15, 2017, 04:52:48 pm
Below are my week 1 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

WEEK 1 PREDICTIONS

11.15.17 Games

Arcadia @ Gwynedd-Mercy (-3.5): Gwynedd-Mercy wins by 5 

Elizabethtown @ Stevenson (-5.5): Stevenson wins by 3

Lancaster Bib @ Messiah (-10.5): Messiah wins by 12   

Alvernia (-18.5) @ Penn Col Tech: Alvernia wins by 23

Hood @ Swarthmore (-5.5): Swarthmore wins by 8

Leb Val (-12.5) @ Cairne: Leb Val wins by 6

Albright (-15.5) @ PSU-Berks: Albright wins by 5 

Lycoming (-23.5) @ Medgar-Evers: Lycoming wins by 20

WEEK 1 RANKINGS
1. Alvernia (0-0, 0-0)
2. Leb Val (0-0, 0-0)
3. Lycoming (0-0, 0-0)
4. Albright (0-0, 0-0)
5. Arcadia (0-0, 0-0)
6. Stevenson (0-0, 0-0)
7. Widener (0-0, 0-0)
8. Messiah (0-0, 0-0)
9. Hood (0-0, 0-0)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 17, 2017, 02:42:38 pm
Below are my week 1 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

WEEK 1 PREDICTIONS

11.17.17 Games

Bryn Athyn @ Widener (-22.5): Widener wins by 18   

Washington & Jefferson vs. Stevenson (-7.5): Stevenson wins by 5 

Rowan (-0.5) vs. Albright: Rowan wins by 2   

Lancaster Bible vs. Alvernia (-11.5): Alvernia wins by 11

Penn St. Wilkes Barre @ Lycoming (-29.5): Lycoming wins by 23

New Rochelle @ Leb Val (-13.5): Leb Val wins by 15 

Wilson @ Messiah (-20.5): Messiah wins by 13
 
WEEK 1 RANKINGS
1. Alvernia (1-0, 0-0)
2. Leb Val (1-0, 0-0)
3. Lycoming (1-0, 0-0)
4. Albright (1-0, 0-0)
5. Arcadia (0-1, 0-0)
6. Stevenson (1-0, 0-0)
7. Widener (0-0, 0-0)
8. Messiah (0-1, 0-0)
9. Hood (0-1, 0-0)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 18, 2017, 09:47:12 am
Below are my week 1 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

WEEK 1 PREDICTIONS

11.18.17 Games

Stevenson (-2.5) vs. Houghton: Stevenson wins by 3     

Arcadia (-12.5) @ Penn State-Abington: Arcadia wins by 15   

Staten Island vs. Leb Val (-3.5): Leb Val wins by 5   

Albright (-6.5) vs. King's: Albright wins by 10

Eastern Mennonite @ Messiah (-2.5): Messiah wins by 5

SUNY Oneonta @ Lycoming (-2.5): Lycoming wins by 2   

Rosemont @ Widener (-6.5): Widener wins by 8

Wilmington (OH) @ Hood (-5.5): Hood wins by 4

Alvernia vs. Franklin & Marshall (-1.5): Alvernia wins by 3

WEEK 1 RANKINGS
1. Alvernia (0-0, 2-0)
2. Leb Val (0-0, 2-0)
3. Lycoming (0-0, 2-0)
4. Albright (0-0, 2-0)
5. Arcadia (0-0, 0-1)
6. Stevenson (0-0, 2-0)
7. Widener (0-0, 1-0)
8. Messiah (0-0, 1-1)
9. Hood (0-0, 0-1)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 19, 2017, 10:41:23 am
Below are my week 1 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 1 Predictions

11.19.17 Games

Catholic @ Hood (-2.5): Catholic wins by 3

Week 1 Rankings

1. Alvernia (0-0, 2-1)
2. Leb Val (0-0, 3-0)
3. Lycoming (0-0, 3-0)
4. Albright (0-0, 3-0)
5. Arcadia (0-0, 1-1)
6. Stevenson (0-0, 3-0)
7. Widener (0-0, 1-1)
8. Messiah (0-0, 2-1)
9. Hood (0-0, 0-2)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 21, 2017, 09:19:24 am
I think there is a pretty clear three team race on paper this year- Lyco, LVC, Albright. It's hard to imagine Lyco not repeating again but I wouldn't sleep on LVC- not that anyone is. Two potential All Americans (both All American talent) in Orr and Light. When you can shoot and have a dynamic two man game with SCORERS that could be a good thing for you.

Stream of consciousness: I like Stevenson this year to surprise some and make a quick climb out of the basement. Messiah, another basement team had a nice win over Eastern Mennonite. New faces at Alvernia but I think they have enough for a playoff run for the 4/5 seed. Hood looks bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2017, 09:28:46 am
Can someone tell me if Widener has live video? Not apparent from their website.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 21, 2017, 09:47:51 am
Can someone tell me if Widener has live video? Not apparent from their website.

Nepa, yes they do. Just go to Widener's event page and you'll find access to the video feed.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2017, 11:57:47 am
Can someone tell me if Widener has live video? Not apparent from their website.

Nepa, yes they do. Just go to Widener's event page and you'll find access to the video feed.

Thank you sir! Wasn't obvious the last time i went to the home page. I see it now.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 21, 2017, 02:02:26 pm
I wonder if this year... there are no clear favorites in the conference. I know Lyco got votes and ended up in the preseason Top 25, but I couldn't vote for them. Too many question marks this year and from years past. I think the conference will be competitive and very deep as it always is (the MACC is one of the most competitive conferences in the country). I just don't think the top of the conference is as good as many expect and a three-team race may be more like a six team race.

Hard to get a gauge on this conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 21, 2017, 05:14:15 pm
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions

11.21.17 Games

Stevenson (-8.5) @ York (NY): Stevenson wins by 10

Elizabethtown @ Leb Val (-17.5): Leb Val wins by 8

Scranton @ Widener (-0.5): Scranton wins by 3

Messiah (-7.5) @ Cairn: Messiah wins by 5

Susquehanna @ Lycoming (-5.5): Lycoming wins by 2

Eastern @ Albright (-5.5): Albright wins by 9

Hood @ Eastern Mennonite (-3.5): Eastern Mennonite wins by 5

Arcadia (-9.5) @ Bryn Athyn: Arcadia wins by 6

Week 2 Rankings
1. Alvernia (0-0, 2-1)
2. Leb Val (0-0, 3-0)
3. Lycoming (0-0, 3-0)
4. Albright (0-0, 3-0)
5. Stevenson (0-0, 3-0)
6. Arcadia (0-0, 1-1)
7. Messiah (0-0, 2-1)
8. Widener (0-0, 1-1)
9. Hood (0-0, 0-3)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 20-5 (.800)
Season: 20-5 (.800)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 21, 2017, 05:20:35 pm
I think there is a pretty clear three team race on paper this year- Lyco, LVC, Albright. It's hard to imagine Lyco not repeating again but I wouldn't sleep on LVC- not that anyone is. Two potential All Americans (both All American talent) in Orr and Light. When you can shoot and have a dynamic two man game with SCORERS that could be a good recipe for you.

Stream of consciousness: I like Stevenson this year to surprise some and make a quick climb out of the basement. Messiah, another basement team had a nice win over Eastern Mennonite. New faces at Alvernia but I think they have enough for a playoff run for the 4/5 seed. Hood looks bad.

I agree that Leb Val could be a challenger to the preseason favorite Lycoming, but I'd expect the conference picture to be foggy until late in the season as there are many good teams to make a run for the conference championship. I'm hopeful Stevenson continues to play how they have since starting the season and find themselves in the hunt for the championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 21, 2017, 05:25:12 pm
I wonder if this year... there are no clear favorites in the conference. I know Lyco got votes and ended up in the preseason Top 25, but I couldn't vote for them. Too many question marks this year and from years past. I think the conference will be competitive and very deep as it always is (the MACC is one of the most competitive conferences in the country). I just don't think the top of the conference is as good as many expect and a three-team race may be more like a six team race.

Hard to get a gauge on this conference this year.

The MACC is definitely a tough conference throughout, but I too don't see any one team being a legit final four team at the moment. I believe right now the conference is a four team race as Leb Val, Lycoming, Alveria, and Albright have all looked good so far. Others such as my Mustangs have played good so far, but I'm hesitant to play into the belief that they can make a run until I see how they do further into the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 24, 2017, 01:08:22 pm
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions

11.24.17 Games

Arcadia vs. Lewis & Clark (-2.5): Lewis & Clark wins by 7

Week 2 Rankings
1. Alvernia (0-0, 2-1)
2. Leb Val (0-0, 4-0)
3. Lycoming (0-0, 4-0)
4. Albright (0-0, 3-1)
5. Stevenson (0-0, 3-1)
6. Arcadia (0-0, 2-1)
7. Messiah (0-0, 2-2)
8. Widener (0-0, 2-1)
9. Hood (0-0, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 20-5 (.800)
Season: 20-5 (.800)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 25, 2017, 09:54:32 am
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions

11.25.17 Games

Whitworth (-12.5) vs. Arcadia: Whitworth wins by 13

Stevenson (-6.5) @ PSU-Berks: Stevenson wins by 8

Del Val @ Hood (-4.5): Hood wins by 2

Pitt-Greensburg @ Messiah (-21.5): Messiah wins by 15

Week 2 Rankings
1. Alvernia (0-0, 2-1)
2. Leb Val (0-0, 4-0)
3. Lycoming (0-0, 4-0)
4. Albright (0-0, 3-1)
5. Stevenson (0-0, 3-1)
6. Arcadia (0-0, 3-1)
7. Messiah (0-0, 2-2)
8. Widener (0-0, 2-1)
9. Hood (0-0, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 20-5 (.800)
Season: 20-5 (.800)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 26, 2017, 08:47:16 am
How is Stevenson? Has anyone seen them? They went from being a really talented team to a big drop off. Are they back this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 26, 2017, 11:59:41 am
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions

11.26.17 Games

Widener @ Ursinus (-3.5): Widener wins by 2

Penn College Tech @ Lycoming (-30.5): Lycoming wins by 33

Alvernia (-1.5) @ Juniata: Alvernia wins by 

Leb Val @ Franklin & Marshall (-3.5): Franklin & Marshall wins by 4

Week 2 Rankings
1. Alvernia (0-0, 2-1)
2. Leb Val (0-0, 4-0)
3. Lycoming (0-0, 4-0)
4. Albright (0-0, 3-1)
5. Stevenson (0-0, 4-1)
6. Arcadia (0-0, 3-2)
7. Messiah (0-0, 3-2)
8. Widener (0-0, 2-1)
9. Hood (0-0, 1-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 20-5 (.800)
Season: 20-5 (.800)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 26, 2017, 12:06:04 pm
How is Stevenson? Has anyone seen them? They went from being a really talented team to a big drop off. Are they back this year?

It has been hard to read at the moment. They have looked impressive, but the level of competition faced so far could be reason why they have looked good. I do like the D2 transfer, Daniel Wright, as he has been a scoring machine (23.6 avg.) for the team. Overall, I see a team that looks to challenge for the 4th/5th seed in the conference tournament. The ceiling could be higher if the team continues to show out against good conference opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on November 29, 2017, 09:19:18 am
Thanks. Seems like there could be several who could compete for that 5th spot at the least. I just still canít see anyone going to Lyco, should they host, beating them. Although possible!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 29, 2017, 02:31:19 pm
Below are my week 3 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 3 Predictions

11.29.17 Games

Stevenson @ Albright (-9.5): Albright wins by 5

Hood @ Alvernia (-3.5): Alvernia wins by 8

Leb Val (-1.5) @ Widener: Leb Val wins by 7

Messiah @ Lycoming (-12.5): Lycoming wins by 14

DeSales (-0.5) @ Arcadia: DeSales wins by 4

Week 3 Rankings
1. Leb Val (0-0, 4-1)
2. Lycoming (0-0, 5-0)
3. Albright (0-0, 3-1)
4. Alvernia (0-0, 2-2)
5. Stevenson (0-0, 4-1)
6. Arcadia (0-0, 3-2)
7. Widener (0-0, 2-2)
8. Messiah (0-0, 3-2)
9. Hood (0-0, 1-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 10-7 (.588)
Season: 30-12 (.714)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 02, 2017, 11:18:57 am
Below are my week 3 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 3 Predictions

12.2.17 Games

Widener (-5.5) @ Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 2

Lycoming (-7.5) @ Hood: Lycoming wins by 10

Messiah @ Wilkes (-2.5): Wilkes wins by 2

Alvernia @ Leb Val (-7.5): Leb Val wins by 9

Arcadia @ Albright (-3.5): Albright wins by 5 

Week 3 Rankings
1. Leb Val (1-0, 5-1)
2. Lycoming (1-0, 6-0)
3. Albright (1-0, 4-1)
4. Alvernia (0-1, 2-3)
5. Stevenson (0-1, 4-2)
6. Arcadia (0-0, 3-3)
7. Widener (0-1, 2-3)
8. Messiah (0-1, 3-3)
9. Hood (1-0, 2-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 10-7 (.588)
Season: 30-12 (.714)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2017, 02:49:22 pm
Thanks. Seems like there could be several who could compete for that 5th spot at the least. I just still canít see anyone going to Lyco, should they host, beating them. Although possible!

CC - I missed the above mentioned D2 transfer at Stevenson in my "the transfer game is alive and well" post. Duly noted.................................
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 06, 2017, 04:37:55 pm
Below are my week 4 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 4 Predictions

12.6.17 Games

Leb Val (-8.5) @ Stevenson: Leb Val wins by 7

Albright (-1.5) @ Widener: Albright wins by 5

Lycoming (-9.5) @ Alvernia: Lycoming wins by 12

Arcadia @ Messiah (-1.5): Arcadia wins by 2

Week 4 Rankings
1. Leb Val (2-0, 6-1)
2. Lycoming (2-0, 7-0)
3. Albright (2-0, 5-1)
4. Widener (1-1, 3-3)
5. Arcadia (0-1, 3-4)
6. Stevenson (0-2, 4-3)
7. Messiah (0-1, 4-3)
8. Hood (1-1, 3-5)
9. Alvernia (0-2, 2-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 7-3 (.700)
Season: 37-15 (.712)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 08, 2017, 05:49:44 pm
Below are my week 4 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 4 Predictions

12.8.17 Games

Franklin & Marshall (-3.5) @ Albright: Franklin & Marshall wins by 3

Week 4 Rankings
1. Leb Val (2-1, 6-2)
2. Lycoming (3-0, 8-0)
3. Albright (3-0, 6-1)
4. Widener (1-2, 3-4)
5. Arcadia (0-2, 3-5)
6. Stevenson (1-2, 5-3)
7. Messiah (1-1, 5-3)
8. Hood (1-1, 3-5)
9. Alvernia (0-3, 2-5)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 7-3 (.700)
Season: 37-15 (.712)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 09, 2017, 09:32:57 am
Below are my week 4 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 4 Predictions

12.9.17 Games

Widener @ Lycoming (-10.5): Lycoming wins by 8

Stevenson @ Arcadia (-5.5): Stevenson wins by 3

Hood @ Leb Val (-10.5): Leb Val wins by 7

Alvernia @ Messiah (-2.5): Messiah wins by 5

Week 4 Rankings
1. Leb Val (2-1, 6-2)
2. Lycoming (3-0, 8-0)
3. Albright (3-0, 7-1)
4. Widener (1-2, 3-4)
5. Arcadia (0-2, 3-5)
6. Stevenson (1-2, 5-3)
7. Messiah (1-1, 5-3)
8. Hood (1-1, 3-5)
9. Alvernia (0-3, 2-5)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 7-3 (.700)
Season: 37-15 (.712)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hammond99 on December 12, 2017, 03:21:30 pm
Quick question for my fellow stat nerds:
LVC has a good records section on their website, listing game, season and career record holders.  Two current players, Sam Light and Andy Orr, are climbing the all-time scoring list.  But Light transferred in after his freshman season at Division II Millersville, and the 334 points he scored as a freshman are being included in his total on the LVC all-time scoring list.  They have an asterisk and a note at the bottom indicating that he scored 334 points at a D-II institution.

Even if you count just his sophomore and junior seasons and 9 games of his senior season, he's scored 1318 points at LVC, which puts him at 20th on the list.  But with those Millersville points thrown in he's at 1652, bumping him up to 7th on the list. (The site hasn't been updated since Nov 16th, so it's still showing 1496.)

I can understand wanting to recognize a player that has a real chance of scoring 2000 points in his college career, but his spot on the LVC All-Time Scoring List should only include points scored for LVC, right?  I realize this isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, but I guess I'm a stickler for accuracy.  Change the asterisk to say "he scored an additional 334 points at Millersville" if you want. 

I emailed the SID but he never wrote back.

Am I crazy or is this very odd?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 12, 2017, 05:15:15 pm
Below are my week 5 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 5 Predictions

12.12.17 Games

Arcadia @ Scranton (-1.5): Arcadia wins by 3

Week 5 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 9-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 7-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 7-2)
4. Messiah (2-1, 6-3)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 4-5)
6. Widener (1-3, 3-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 5-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 3-6)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 2-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-4 (.600)
Season: 43-19 (.694)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2017, 05:28:37 pm
Quick question for my fellow stat nerds:
LVC has a good records section on their website, listing game, season and career record holders.  Two current players, Sam Light and Andy Orr, are climbing the all-time scoring list.  But Light transferred in after his freshman season at Division II Millersville, and the 334 points he scored as a freshman are being included in his total on the LVC all-time scoring list.  They have an asterisk and a note at the bottom indicating that he scored 334 points at a D-II institution.

Even if you count just his sophomore and junior seasons and 9 games of his senior season, he's scored 1318 points at LVC, which puts him at 20th on the list.  But with those Millersville points thrown in he's at 1652, bumping him up to 7th on the list. (The site hasn't been updated since Nov 16th, so it's still showing 1496.)

I can understand wanting to recognize a player that has a real chance of scoring 2000 points in his college career, but his spot on the LVC All-Time Scoring List should only include points scored for LVC, right?  I realize this isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, but I guess I'm a stickler for accuracy.  Change the asterisk to say "he scored an additional 334 points at Millersville" if you want. 

I emailed the SID but he never wrote back.

Am I crazy or is this very odd?

It isn't the way I would keep my record book, but they can certainly keep their record books as they wish.

By the way, not surprising that the all-time scorers list isn't updated in-season. That's typically an offseason job for an SID.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hammond99 on December 13, 2017, 10:40:31 am
Quick question for my fellow stat nerds:
LVC has a good records section on their website, listing game, season and career record holders.  Two current players, Sam Light and Andy Orr, are climbing the all-time scoring list.  But Light transferred in after his freshman season at Division II Millersville, and the 334 points he scored as a freshman are being included in his total on the LVC all-time scoring list.  They have an asterisk and a note at the bottom indicating that he scored 334 points at a D-II institution.

Even if you count just his sophomore and junior seasons and 9 games of his senior season, he's scored 1318 points at LVC, which puts him at 20th on the list.  But with those Millersville points thrown in he's at 1652, bumping him up to 7th on the list. (The site hasn't been updated since Nov 16th, so it's still showing 1496.)

I can understand wanting to recognize a player that has a real chance of scoring 2000 points in his college career, but his spot on the LVC All-Time Scoring List should only include points scored for LVC, right?  I realize this isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, but I guess I'm a stickler for accuracy.  Change the asterisk to say "he scored an additional 334 points at Millersville" if you want. 

I emailed the SID but he never wrote back.

Am I crazy or is this very odd?

It isn't the way I would keep my record book, but they can certainly keep their record books as they wish.

By the way, not surprising that the all-time scorers list isn't updated in-season. That's typically an offseason job for an SID.

In past years when they've had someone climbing the list they've tended to update it in season, not always after every game though.

I also suggested adding games played and points per game to the all-time scoring list to add further clarity but I realize that's a big off-season project.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 13, 2017, 03:24:30 pm

The NCAA will count all his points - maybe the school decided to follow suit?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hammond99 on December 13, 2017, 04:32:06 pm
Could be.  I guess I look at it like pro sports where players move around to different teams.  LeSean McCoy is the all-time leading rusher in Eagles history, but they only count the yards that he got playing for the Eagles for 6 seasons and obviously don't include any yards he's gotten since joining the Bills.  But when he retires he will obviously be recognized for his entire career on NFL career rushing lists.

It's a unique situation because I don't think anybody on LVC's scoring list has transferred in the way Sam Light did.  So it may be uncharted territory for the SID's office. 
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 13, 2017, 05:53:05 pm
hammond99: can you explain what was unique about Light's transfer?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: noonhooper on December 13, 2017, 07:05:58 pm
It is unique in that no one else on the scoring list transfered at all so determining whether or not to include points from another school is something that would not come up anywhere else on the list of all-time scorers.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hammond99 on December 13, 2017, 08:04:10 pm
It is unique in that no one else on the scoring list transfered at all so determining whether or not to include points from another school is something that would not come up anywhere else on the list of all-time scorers.

Yes, this is what I meant. Said much more succinctly than I did.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 17, 2017, 11:04:16 am
Below are my week 5 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 5 Predictions

12.17.17 Games

Marywood @ Lycoming (-18.5): Lycoming wins by 15

Hood (-12.5) vs. Goucher: Hood wins by 10

Week 5 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 10-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 7-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 7-2)
4. Messiah (2-1, 6-3)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 6-5)
6. Widener (1-3, 4-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 5-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 3-7)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 2-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-4 (.600)
Season: 43-19 (.694)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 18, 2017, 01:40:51 pm
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

12.18.17 Games

Widener vs. Moravian (-3.5): Moravian wins by 4

Messiah vs. Pacific (-6.5): Pacific wins by 5

Stevenson (-11.5) @ Mount Aloysius: Stevenson wins by 12

Dickinson (-1.5) @ Leb Val: Leb Val wins by 2

Week 6 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 11-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 7-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 7-2)
4. Messiah (2-1, 6-3)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 6-5)
6. Widener (1-3, 4-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 5-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 4-7)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 2-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-2 (.714)
Season: 48-21 (.696)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 19, 2017, 11:31:56 am
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

12.19.17 Games

Widener (-11.5) vs. Mount St. Mary: Widener wins by 13

Wilkes @ Albright (-10.5): Albright wins by 15

Messiah (-2.5) vs. UC Santa Cruz: Messiah wins by 4

Week 6 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 11-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 7-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 8-2)
4. Messiah (2-1, 7-3)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 6-5)
6. Widener (1-3, 5-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 6-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 4-7)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 2-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-2 (.714)
Season: 48-21 (.696)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 20, 2017, 02:52:07 pm
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

12.20.17 Games

Goucher @ Stevenson (-17.5): Stevenson wins by 15

Alvernia (-2.5) @ Penn St Brandywine: Penn St Brandywine wins by 3

Gwynedd Mercy @ Leb Val (-3.5): Leb Val wins by 5

Week 6 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 11-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 8-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 8-2)
4. Messiah (2-1, 7-4)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 6-5)
6. Widener (1-3, 6-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 6-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 4-7)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 2-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-2 (.714)
Season: 48-21 (.696)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 29, 2017, 09:14:22 am
Below are my week 7 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 7 Predictions

12.29.17 Games

Drew vs. Alvernia (-2.5): Alvernia wins by 2

Penn State-Harrisburg @ Albright (-11.5): Albright wins by 12

SUNY New Paltz @ Lycoming (-21.5): Lycoming wins by 23

Medgar Evers @ Stevenson (-18.5): Stevenson wins by 20

Week 7 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 11-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 8-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 8-3)
4. Messiah (2-1, 7-4)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 6-5)
6. Widener (1-3, 6-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 7-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 4-7)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 3-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-5 (.500)
Season: 53-26 (.671)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 30, 2017, 04:45:15 pm
Below are my week 7 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 7 Predictions

12.30.17 Games

Alvernia (-0.5) vs. Gettysburg: Alvernia wins by 2

St. Vincent (-2.5) @ Hood: St. Vincent wins by 2

Rosemont @ Arcadia (-4.5): Arcadia wins by 3

Carnegie Mellon @ Lycoming (-13.5): Lycoming wins by 15

TCNJ @ Albright (-4.5): Albright wins by 8

Merchant Marine @ Stevenson (-10.5): Stevenson wins by 5

Leb Val vs. Hamilton (-1.5): Hamilton wins by 2 

Week 7 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 12-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 9-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 8-3)
4. Messiah (2-1, 7-4)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 6-5)
6. Widener (1-3, 6-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 8-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 4-7)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 3-7)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-5 (.500)
Season: 53-26 (.671)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 03, 2018, 01:38:09 pm
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

1.3.18 Games

Widener @ Catholic (-3.5): Catholic wins by 5

Messiah @ Stevenson (-0.5): Stevenson wins by 3

Albright (-6.5) @ Hood: Albright wins by 5

Arcadia (-8.5) @ Alvernia: Arcadia wins by 7

Lycoming (-2.5) @ Leb Val: Lycoming wins by 1

Week 8 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-0, 13-0)
2. Albright (3-0, 10-1)
3. Leb Val (3-1, 9-4)
4. Messiah (2-1, 7-4)
5. Arcadia (1-2, 6-6)
6. Widener (1-3, 6-5)
7. Stevenson (1-3, 9-4)
8. Hood (1-2, 5-7)
9. Alvernia (0-4, 3-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 8-4 (.667)
Season: 61-30 (.670)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 04, 2018, 05:39:14 pm
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With the midseason return of Hoopsville comes with it some of the more structured aspects of the show. For starters, Thursday nights are dedicated primarily to the East, Mid-Atlantic, Great Lakes, and West Regions for guests. Tonight also sees the season debut of the "WBCA Center Court" which is a segment that allows viewers to learn more about coaches and what they are involved in outside of basketball.

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- Brian Newhall, Occidental men's coach
- Guy Rancourt, No. 6 Lycoming men's coach
- Matt Dempsey, Merchant Marine women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 06, 2018, 02:50:19 pm
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

1.6.18 Games

Stevenson @ Lycoming (-12.5): Lycoming wins by 7

Leb Val @ Albright (-3.5): Albright wins by 5

Arcadia (-0.5) @ Hood: Arcadia wins by 2

Messiah @ Widener (-5.5): Widener wins by 5

Week 8 Rankings
1. Lycoming (4-1, 13-1)
2. Albright (4-0, 11-1)
3. Leb Val (4-1, 10-4)
4. Messiah (2-2, 7-5)
5. Arcadia (1-3, 6-7)
6. Widener (1-3, 7-5)
7. Stevenson (2-3, 10-4)
8. Hood (1-3, 5-8)
9. Alvernia (1-4, 4-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 8-4 (.667)
Season: 61-30 (.670)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 07, 2018, 12:52:31 pm
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

1.7.18 Games

Penn State-Berks @ Alvernia (-16.5): Alvernia wins by 15

Week 8 Rankings
1. Lycoming (5-1, 14-1)
2. Albright (4-1, 11-2)
3. Leb Val (5-1, 11-4)
4. Messiah (2-3, 7-6)
5. Arcadia (2-3, 7-7)
6. Widener (2-3, 8-5)
7. Stevenson (2-4, 10-5)
8. Hood (1-4, 5-9)
9. Alvernia (1-4, 4-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 8-4 (.667)
Season: 61-30 (.670)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: noonhooper on January 07, 2018, 01:44:26 pm
tweisman, do you ever pick an upset? Seems like all your "predictions" are pretty close to the line provided by Massey.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 08, 2018, 04:15:41 pm
tweisman, do you ever pick an upset? Seems like all your "predictions" are pretty close to the line provided by Massey.

There are times that I want too, but I have trouble entering the upset because my brain can't wrap around what my gut is telling me. I guess that is why my season record hovers around 67% ;D Honestly, I also feel that I haven't done so due too in-conference games that have been lopsided as the top 3, Lycoming, Leb Val, and Albright, have looked so good compared to the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 08, 2018, 04:37:16 pm
Below are my week 9 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 9 Predictions

1.8.18 Games

Valley Forge @ Messiah (-18.5): Messiah wins by 20

Week 9 Rankings
1. Leb Val (5-1, 11-4)
2. Lycoming (5-1, 14-1)
3. Albright (4-1, 11-2)
4. Widener (2-3, 8-5)
5. Arcadia (2-3, 7-7)
6. Stevenson (2-4, 10-5)
7. Messiah (2-3, 7-6)
8. Hood (1-4, 5-9)
9. Alvernia (1-4, 5-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-4 (.600)
Season: 67-34 (.663)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 09, 2018, 05:13:18 pm
Below are my week 9 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 9 Predictions

1.9.18 Games

Penn State Wilkes-Barre @ Alvernia (-12.5): Alvernia wins by 7

Week 9 Rankings
1. Leb Val (5-1, 11-4)
2. Lycoming (5-1, 14-1)
3. Albright (4-1, 11-2)
4. Widener (2-3, 8-5)
5. Arcadia (2-3, 7-7)
6. Stevenson (2-4, 10-5)
7. Messiah (2-3, 7-6)
8. Hood (1-4, 5-9)
9. Alvernia (1-4, 5-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-4 (.600)
Season: 67-34 (.663)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 10, 2018, 04:54:50 pm
Below are my week 9 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 9 Predictions

1.10.18 Games

Albright @ Lycoming (-4.5): Lycoming wins by 2

Hood @ Messiah (-5.5): Messiah wins by 9

Widener (-4.5) @ Alvernia: Alvernia wins by 2

Arcadia @ Leb Val (-9.5): Leb Val wins by 12

Week 9 Rankings
1. Leb Val (5-1, 11-4)
2. Lycoming (5-1, 14-1)
3. Albright (4-1, 11-2)
4. Widener (2-3, 8-5)
5. Arcadia (2-3, 7-7)
6. Stevenson (2-4, 10-5)
7. Messiah (2-3, 7-6)
8. Hood (1-4, 5-9)
9. Alvernia (1-4, 6-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-4 (.600)
Season: 67-34 (.663)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 13, 2018, 03:25:15 pm
Below are my week 9 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 9 Predictions

1.13.18 Games

Messiah @ Albright (-9.5): Albright wins by 8

Lycoming (-5.5) @ Arcadia: Arcadia wins by 3

Alvernia @ Stevenson (-4.5): Stevenson wins by 2

Hood @ Widener (-8.5): Widener wins by 12

Week 9 Rankings
1. Leb Val (5-2, 11-5)
2. Lycoming (6-1, 15-1)
3. Albright (4-2, 11-3)
4. Widener (2-4, 8-6)
5. Arcadia (3-3, 8-7)
6. Stevenson (2-4, 10-5)
7. Messiah (3-3, 8-6)
8. Hood (1-5, 5-10)
9. Alvernia (2-4, 7-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-4 (.600)
Season: 67-34 (.663)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 23, 2018, 04:20:34 pm
Below are my week 11 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 11 Predictions

1.23.18 Games

Gallaudet @ Widener (-17.5): Widener wins by 20

Week 11 Rankings
1. Lycoming (8-1, 17-1)
2. Albright (6-3, 13-4)
3. Leb Val (6-3, 12-6)
4. Messiah (5-3, 11-6)
5. Arcadia (5-4, 10-8)
6. Alvernia (3-6, 8-10)
7. Hood (3-6, 7-11)
8. Widener (2-7, 8-9)
9. Stevenson (2-7, 10-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-3 (.667)
Season: 77-42 (.647)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 27, 2018, 02:20:55 pm
Below are my week 11 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are a composite from several rankings. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 11 Predictions

1.27.18 Games

Albright (-6.5) @ Stevenson: Albright wins by 4

Leb Val (-5.5) @ Hood: Leb Val wins by 3

Messiah @ Arcadia (-4.5): Arcadia wins by 2

Lycoming (-4.5) @ Widener: Lycoming wins by 2

Week 11 Rankings
1. Lycoming (9-1, 18-1)
2. Albright (6-4, 13-5)
3. Leb Val (7-3, 13-6)
4. Messiah (5-4, 11-7)
5. Arcadia (6-4, 11-8)
6. Alvernia (4-6, 9-10)
7. Hood (3-7, 7-12)
8. Widener (2-7, 9-9)
9. Stevenson (2-8, 10-9)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 6-3 (.667)
Season: 77-42 (.647)
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 28, 2018, 09:02:06 pm
I was hopeful Stevenson could rebound this season, but as the season wraps up soon I wouldn't be surprised if Stevenson ends up replacing Gary Stewart. He has struggled these past few years to get the program to the heights Stevenson is looking to reach. He's done a good job building a foundation for the program, but lacks the energy the program needs to achieve higher results. Does anyone else agree?
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 09:38:40 pm
I was hopeful Stevenson could rebound this season, but as the season wraps up soon I wouldn't be surprised if Stevenson ends up replacing Gary Stewart. He has struggled these past few years to get the program to the heights Stevenson is looking to reach. He's done a good job building a foundation for the program, but lacks the energy the program needs to achieve higher results. Does anyone else agree?

Don't see Stevenson changing course. He is well respected at the school and they are still well ahead of where they were before he came on board. Sure, he has had some downs, but by that token, Messiah, Lebanon Valley, and others should have gotten rid of their coaches for the same reasons you describe.

Not sure why you think he lacks energy for higher results, since they have had higher results with him there.
Title: The Matrix
Post by: Jon on January 29, 2018, 11:12:04 am
Happy Monday, MACC Readers!

The 2017-18 Matrix (http://www.auwolves.com/mb_matrix) has finally been prepared.  Big games every night around the Commonwealth!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:44:17 pm
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2018, 12:45:24 pm
I was hopeful Stevenson could rebound this season, but as the season wraps up soon I wouldn't be surprised if Stevenson ends up replacing Gary Stewart. He has struggled these past few years to get the program to the heights Stevenson is looking to reach. He's done a good job building a foundation for the program, but lacks the energy the program needs to achieve higher results. Does anyone else agree?

Don't see Stevenson changing course. He is well respected at the school and they are still well ahead of where they were before he came on board. Sure, he has had some downs, but by that token, Messiah, Lebanon Valley, and others should have gotten rid of their coaches for the same reasons you describe.

Not sure why you think he lacks energy for higher results, since they have had higher results with him there.

On that note, if the LVC slide continues, would they possibly think about making a change?  The coach has been there forever (23 years), but is his resume all that impressive?  23 seasons, 1 conference title (in his first year with the defending national champs), 4 trips to the NCAA tournament (all first round losses).  He can clearly recruit, as LVC has had numerous All-Conference and All-American players during his tenure.  This year's team was expected to be the best team he's had in awhile, yet they are underachieving once again.  Meanwhile, the women's coach made went to four or five straight tournaments including an Elite 8, and then was gone with virtually no explanation.   

Sadly, those situations are apples and oranges from what I've been told about how things work behind the scenes. I'm just going to leave it at that.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hammond99 on February 13, 2018, 12:47:55 pm
I was hopeful Stevenson could rebound this season, but as the season wraps up soon I wouldn't be surprised if Stevenson ends up replacing Gary Stewart. He has struggled these past few years to get the program to the heights Stevenson is looking to reach. He's done a good job building a foundation for the program, but lacks the energy the program needs to achieve higher results. Does anyone else agree?

Don't see Stevenson changing course. He is well respected at the school and they are still well ahead of where they were before he came on board. Sure, he has had some downs, but by that token, Messiah, Lebanon Valley, and others should have gotten rid of their coaches for the same reasons you describe.

Not sure why you think he lacks energy for higher results, since they have had higher results with him there.

On that note, if the LVC slide continues, would they possibly think about making a change?  The coach has been there forever (23 years), but is his resume all that impressive?  23 seasons, 1 conference title (in his first year with the defending national champs), 4 trips to the NCAA tournament (all first round losses).  He can clearly recruit, as LVC has had numerous All-Conference and All-American players during his tenure.  This year's team was expected to be the best team he's had in awhile, yet they are underachieving once again.  Meanwhile, the women's coach made went to four or five straight tournaments including an Elite 8, and then was gone with virtually no explanation.   

Sadly, those situations are apples and oranges from what I've been told about how things work behind the scenes. I'm just going to leave it at that.

Doesn't surprise me.  I guess McAlester has a lifetime contract at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2018, 12:48:47 pm
Not an indication of McAlester at all... not sure he has a life-time contract, but there are other things going on from what I've learned. Going to take other chances in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2018, 12:54:55 pm
While you guys are at it, take a look at The Matrix (http://auwolves.com/MB_Matrix) and throw in some postseason prognostication.

The 5 teams could be determined by the end of the evening... 

Or how about a little All-Conference predicting!
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: hammond99 on February 13, 2018, 01:02:25 pm
This sort of feels like the Eagles circa 2012.  Andy Reid was a great coach and won a lot of games, but it was time for a change.  The next guy didn't work, but the one after that sure did.

A change may not be likely, but I think it's time.  Who knows if a new coach would ultimately move the program forward?  But we'll never know if they keep the status quo.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:03:35 pm
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:45:36 pm
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: deiscanton on March 04, 2018, 03:08:10 pm
Congratulations to the Widener Pride on winning the 2017-18 ECAC DIII Men's Basketball Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:26:33 am
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I havenít met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

How YOU can help our former elite D3 basketball players

While the end prize of this tournament is a monetary prize, being a D3-lifer, the goal is not the money (we all know that's not why we get into coaching), the goal is to bring an end to the stigma of Division 3 basketball, an awareness of how talented our student-athletes are and that we can compete (and win) against the best. We do need to raise funds for an entry fee, travel, meal and housing expenses for the athletes. In order to do this, we are conducting a crowd-funding campaign through GoFundMe to help make this a reality. These athletes need your support! Just think -- if every Division 3 school donated just $10, we will have raised over $4,000!!!! The link to the GoFundMe Page is below and please SPREAD THE WORD and email me with any questions/concerns at WeAreD3TBT@gmail.com. Thank you in advance for your support and Dave and I look forward to this "D3 Dream Team" taking the court this summer.-Mike Rejniak

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Title: Re: MBB: Commonwealth Conference
Post by: CCHoopster on June 06, 2018, 01:30:12 pm
Guy Rancourts run At Lycoming was really good. Congrats to him on taking over at his alma mater Western Connecticut State. Big shoes to fill for somebody.