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Title: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 07:23:47 pm
I realize the 2006-2007 season has not come to a close... but its not too early to look ahead and that means a new conference in the Mid-Atlantic or Atlantic Region (Pat is so thoughtfully linking this posting board to both regions!).

So... welcome to Catholic, Drew, Goucher, Juniata, Merchant Marine, Moravian, Scranton, and Susquehanna to the new "Landmark Conference." While I don't think an "official" website has been launched, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Conference) already has a page about the conference, so enjoy the quick read (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Conference).

Now... some news to know:

- Schedule:
After much debate (from what I heard), the conference has decided on a combination of a Friday/Saturday and Saturday/Sunday schedule.
Half of the schools wanted on version, the other wanted half. I know a tentative schedule has been decided on with at least dates... with the first games taking place on Dec. 1st, 4th, and 5th between travel partnerts and the final game will be Feb. 23rd - again between travel partners. The first true travel weekend will be Jan. 11th and 12th.
Also, the first game of the weekend will be played in the evenings... the second during the afternoon (unless it is on Saturday and a school gets permission to play at night as well).

- Travel Partners are as follows:
Catholic & Goucher
Juniata & Susquehanna
Scranton & Moravian
Merchant Marine & Drew

- Conference Championship Tournaments:
I believe this will only involve the top four teams with the first round being played on Wednesday, Feb. 27th at the higher seeds.
The championship game will be played on Saturday, March 1st - also at the higher seeds.
Unless it changes, this conference will have to withstand two years of Pool B - no automatic qualification - for two years.

I think that about covers it for now... let the posting... begin!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 20, 2007, 07:35:17 pm
I posted this in the Freedom section, but thought it might be also useful it upload the new logo in here.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/centralpasucks/landmarklogo1.jpg)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 07:36:44 pm
Yep... that is indeed the logo... just haven't had a copy to show :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 20, 2007, 07:38:52 pm
d-mac:

For what it's worth, some folks are referring to this new collation as the "Landmine Conference."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 08:29:03 pm
People also refer to the CAC as the "caca" and there are various other nicknames for other leagues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 20, 2007, 08:31:38 pm
d-mac your already leaving us at the cac's we love your insight but i guess it was going to happen eventually. 

Very intresting how the landmark will be different from the cac's. 

good luck
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2007, 08:56:32 pm
Salem... considering I post and read many sites and boards... I assure you I will not be leaving the CAC board!

Warren - I am sure there are PLENTY more ideas out there!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 08:58:35 pm
The Landmark and Pool B should not be much of a problem in 2007-08.

Maryville TN has always been there.  Lincoln is moving to D2.  The NathCon seemed to eliminate all but Aurora, which was a Pool B in the old NIIC.  The Pres AC takes its 7 teams to Pool A next year, so that is basically a wash.  Clarke moves to the NAIA.  Colorado College moves to the SCAC.  What happens with the NEAC and the various Northeast independents is worth watching. 

The thing that I want to see is what the calculations for the Pool B bids do in 2007-08.  This year, the calculation was one team shy (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2870.705) in the numerator of providing a 4th Pool B.  That at-large bid went over to Pool C.

In 2008-09,  it is a different matter.  The NAthCon takes 12 teams out of the numerator in Pool B into Pool A, but Aurora with them as well.  That is worth about 1.3 bids as the calculation suggests, and only 2 Pool B bids may be allocated for the tourney in 2009.  Is that the year that Chapman sneaks?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 20, 2007, 09:08:24 pm
Hey, new digs.
Whatever happened to Marco Sutaro?
Gotta love that Landmark Logo.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 20, 2007, 09:13:09 pm
I'm going to be interested in seeing who Scranton & the other Landmark members schedule for the "non-con" games. Will they start with some old names in the old conference or are those options non-existant? Will they turn to the Centennial for a few? This will be interesting as new schedules need to be developed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2007, 10:50:12 pm
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2007, 11:24:54 pm
Until the league gets an AQ they probably won't change the regions of its members. But I would put it in the Atlantic. That region is small and could use some balancing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2007, 02:16:55 am
Cold_Case:

Marco Scutaro...ha.

I'm still here, though I abandoned that moniker.  Still have a soft spot for him, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 21, 2007, 07:44:27 am
Might I suggest Gordon "Royce Ring" Mann?

Pat, don't forget about the PAC.  Y'know, the Poor A** Conference.  (Pathetic Athletic Conference?)

No AQ for 2 years?  I forgot about that prospect.  Though, I imagine the selection committee might like slightly more favorably on a solid "conference champ" here.

Is it too soon for a "It is now 7:45 AM, Eastern Standard Time, MAC Freedom is gone, Landmine is here... and Scranton still sucks!" ??  Too soon?  Alright...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 21, 2007, 09:15:46 am
Glad the detractors....WT and CJ have posted on the first page of the Landmark Board....thanks guys!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 21, 2007, 11:17:27 am
I certainly will be a very active participant on this board, but since Catholic is still going strong--and just notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season, I'm going to wait until the end of the season...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mwgoonie on February 21, 2007, 11:30:12 am
Does anyone know if CUA or GOU will play non-conference games with CAC teams?
Would love to play CUA out of conference! Plus its easier  for me to get to!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 21, 2007, 03:12:05 pm
Who, me, a "detractor? Not really, but I am bemused by so many venues leaving the MAC for what they anticipate will be greener pastures.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 03:13:44 pm
Does anyone know if CUA or GOU will play non-conference games with CAC teams?
Would love to play CUA out of conference! Plus its easier  for me to get to!

I would be surprised if Catholic doesn't play many of the CAC schools in non-conference games, including Mary Washington.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2007, 09:24:35 am
Well, there's a few I could do without ever seeing again...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2007, 10:19:40 am
I certainly will be a very active participant on this board, but since Catholic is still going strong--and just notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season, I'm going to wait until the end of the season...


So am I going to have to hear this every 5th post or so like on the CAC board?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 22, 2007, 01:29:42 pm
York is trying to play Catholic as a non-confrence opponent.   i know they are trying to keep a semi rivalry that has been building over the last couple of years with the cardinals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:37:06 pm
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?

Yes it will.  In fact, 5 members is not even an official conference.

Whom will they invite to join them?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 22, 2007, 02:20:34 pm
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?

Yes it will.  In fact, 5 members is not even an official conference.

Whom will they invite to join them?

Ralph:

I've been told that Lycoming is moving to the Commonwealth from the Freedom.
No official word on the new seventh member.

At the same time, who knows just how this will shake out? Or, perhaps, those who do know aren't talking ... yet.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2007, 02:54:20 pm
I certainly will be a very active participant on this board, but since Catholic is still going strong--and just notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season, I'm going to wait until the end of the season...


So am I going to have to hear this every 5th post or so like on the CAC board?

Nah.  Maybe a few times in the beginning of the year, but until/unless we get to #11, probably not.

Next year, Catholic is going to have (literally) no seniors, and like 2 juniors, so...that's going to be interesting. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2007, 03:30:01 pm
Ah... I believe the MAC has a couple of years to fix things before losing the AQ. They will still have it next year. And Warren... I don't think anyone in the MAC (higher-ups) knows what's going on or how to fix it. They have been very SLOW to react to something we have now known for over a year and half.

And the NCAA decides which region. Pat Coleman thinks Atlantic... I think Mid-Atlantic... and I personally think the regions need to be redrawn and conferences moved across the country. That may just be my off season project!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Coach K on February 23, 2007, 05:40:45 am
I know I am asking a lot, but can someone assemble a list of the new alignments in the MAC as they stand right now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2007, 06:46:37 am
I know I am asking a lot, but can someone assemble a list of the new alignments in the MAC as they stand right now?
Why don't you ask that in the MAC rooms... not the Landmark!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 08:34:43 am
Who, me, a "detractor? Not really, but I am bemused by so many venues leaving the MAC for what they anticipate will be greener pastures.

Warren, you have this knack for saying what I'm thinking...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2007, 08:52:57 am
I know I am asking a lot, but can someone assemble a list of the new alignments in the MAC as they stand right now?
Why don't you ask that in the MAC rooms... not the Landmark!

Mr. Know-it-all, instead of being a sarcastic boob, why don't you just tell Coach, unless you don't know tha answer yourself, hence, the Mr. Know-it-all tag must be lifted?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2007, 09:02:35 am
Mr. Know-it-all, instead of being a sarcastic boob, why don't you just tell Coach, unless you don't know tha answer yourself, hence, the Mr. Know-it-all tag must be lifted?
How am I supposed to know when I suspect the MAC doesn't even know?!

The MAC has been behind the ball since the day the Landmark Conference was HINTED about. They have three more schools looking to jump ship... and they pretend that they are going to be ok. The only thing they have going for them right now is the fact the NCAA isn't going to take away the AQ's right away (believe they have two years to fix their home before losing those).

And I will be the first to tell you I don't know everything... but you are the one who put the "title" on. Thanks!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 23, 2007, 09:05:47 am
Don't let CC get to ya, D-Mac.  He enjoys playing devil's advocate.  Or, he might actually be Satan.  Not sure.

And hey, congrats, Scranton is now officially freed of all their Freedom men's basketball duties.  They're yours!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 09:17:19 am
Who decides and how in which region the Landmark(men and women)will be?
Does the MAC Commonwealth lose its pool A by retaining only 5 teams?
Will they move the women's final this year to Mass Mutual instead of Blake?

Yes it will.  In fact, 5 members is not even an official conference.

Whom will they invite to join them?

Ralph:

I've been told that Lycoming is moving to the Commonwealth from the Freedom.
No official word on the new seventh member.

At the same time, who knows just how this will shake out? Or, perhaps, those who do know aren't talking ... yet.  ;)

WT, thanks.  This topic should make for some interesting off-season banter.  The 2-year "probation" that the NCAA gives to retain the AQ's will drive this, especially as everyone observes the demise of the AWCC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on February 23, 2007, 09:43:54 am
Matt...which CAC teams would you like to see Catholic continue to play as out of conference games.
Mary Wash, Marymount, and York would be teams I would like to see a rivalry continue with.
I'll be happy to be done with Gallaudet. I could go either way on Salisbury and St. Marys, and although there isn't really a rivalry with Hood yet, I think it would be good to find a place for them on the schedule if they remain competitive.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2007, 10:08:46 am
Who, me, a "detractor? Not really, but I am bemused by so many venues leaving the MAC for what they anticipate will be greener pastures.

Warren, you have this knack for saying what I'm thinking...


And yet the league hasn't even had its first game yet, nor the forum reached the 5th page...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 23, 2007, 03:32:08 pm
Mr. Know-it-all, instead of being a sarcastic boob, why don't you just tell Coach, unless you don't know tha answer yourself, hence, the Mr. Know-it-all tag must be lifted?
How am I supposed to know when I suspect the MAC doesn't even know?!

The MAC has been behind the ball since the day the Landmark Conference was HINTED about. They have three more schools looking to jump ship... and they pretend that they are going to be ok. The only thing they have going for them right now is the fact the NCAA isn't going to take away the AQ's right away (believe they have two years to fix their home before losing those).

And I will be the first to tell you I don't know everything... but you are the one who put the "title" on. Thanks!

While nothing definite is being noised abroad, there's noticeably something in the air about the future of the MAC. Whether this "something" has substance and becomes a story with legs is still unclear (at least to me).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 23, 2007, 06:41:57 pm
CJ: If you're not interested in talking about Scranton or the "Landmine" any longer...why keep showing up? I mean let's be honest, it's killing you that Wilkes is left behind with that other school down the street & your games to now get excited about are with Manhattenville, Arcadia & the various Bible Institutes. Who knows, perhaps Luzerne CCC will be a new rival in another year or so. Hang in there & remember the new Wilkes battlecry: Beat Del.Valley!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2007, 12:08:48 am
Matt...which CAC teams would you like to see Catholic continue to play as out of conference games.
Mary Wash, Marymount, and York would be teams I would like to see a rivalry continue with.
I'll be happy to be done with Gallaudet. I could go either way on Salisbury and St. Marys, and although there isn't really a rivalry with Hood yet, I think it would be good to find a place for them on the schedule if they remain competitive.

To be honest, the only teams I'd have much interest in still playing are York and Hood.   Catholic and Mary Washington have had great games over the years, but if I were the Cardinals I'd be tired of playing in that ridiculous gym where there has been safety problems over the years.  Plus, I'm just tired of Rod Wood. 

I'd be really wary of Marymount, too--way too much drama.  Always something.  The funny thing is that they think they're some kind of rival, I guess based on the fact that they got one big win against us in 2002 when we were in the top 5.  But I hate playing in their gym because their scorers table always makes mistakes in their favor and nobody knows the rules.  As for the other teams in the league, I'm with you..rather not play Gallaudet any more, ambivalent on the others.

I think York and Hood will be quality teams year in year out because they're good programs and seem to be attracting good kids.    Be interesting to see how the championship game goes with Hood--you've got a natural connection there already with a former Cardinals starting PG's dad as the coach!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 03:05:42 am
Scranton folks, as long as we're sharing our list of teams we don't want to play anymore, how about yours? :)

I am keeping my list private but I did share it with someone who has some influence on scheduling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2007, 10:10:56 am
I was thinking about whether I should even go there, but then I figured, what the heck, the league is over after today anyway, and its just my personal opinion...

But you know what?  Really, I just want them to put together the best non-conference schedule possible that will help them get that Pool B bid next year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 24, 2007, 05:00:43 pm
Over/under on amount of time before the Landmark Conference's board has more posts than the Commonwealth's: start of 2007-08 season

I'm going with the under.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Coach K on February 24, 2007, 07:05:42 pm
Doesn't Arcadia slip into the MAC Freedom next year? That gives the Freedom 7 teams, with Scranton and Drew leaving, and adding them. Weakens the conference towards the top.

The Landmark should be a quality basketball league right out of the gate!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2007, 08:09:06 pm
Pat,
    I don't want to play anyone that we don't have any connection with like recent foes Clarkson, Hartwick, Pratt Institute, Chestnut Hill. Can skip FDU since we'll still be in New Jersey with Drew.
    Would like to still play Kings and Wilkes. Don't ever remember not playing Kings twice a year, even when we weren't in the same conference.
Maybe a Holiday tournament revival.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 09:40:47 am
Pat,
    I don't want to play anyone that we don't have any connection with like recent foes Clarkson, Hartwick, Pratt Institute, Chestnut Hill. Can skip FDU since we'll still be in New Jersey with Drew.
    Would like to still play Kings and Wilkes. Don't ever remember not playing Kings twice a year, even when we weren't in the same conference.
Maybe a Holiday tournament revival.


I would love to continue to play Kings and Wilkes as well...but don't think it will happen in the short term. Next year can't get here soon enough...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 09:44:15 am
Oh yes it can!

Catholic will be hosting a sectional next weekend, with Lincoln playing Alvernia and the Cardinals taking on Messiah.  Should be some great basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 09:57:51 am
Oh yes it can!

Catholic will be hosting a sectional next weekend, with Lincoln playing Alvernia and the Cardinals taking on Messiah.  Should be some great basketball.


Wonderful....GO MESSIAH.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:17:10 am
Should be a good game.  Messiah has already lost to the two teams CUA beat in the CAC Tourney, Mary Wash and Hood, this year, but you never know.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 10:20:10 am
Should be a good game.  Messiah has already lost to the two teams CUA beat in the CAC Tourney, Mary Wash and Hood, this year, but you never know.

Throw everything out the window when it come to the tourny! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 10:20:52 am
Should be a good game.  Messiah has already lost to the two teams CUA beat in the CAC Tourney, Mary Wash and Hood, this year, but you never know.

You didn't expect Catholic to have a tough opener, did you?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:48:46 am
To be honest, espcially at this level, I think almost anybody is a tough opener.

I wouldn't want to be Hood playing H-S, either.  I don't care if they do have 10 losses.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 11:03:29 am
Oh yes it can!

Catholic will be hosting a sectional next weekend, with Lincoln playing Alvernia and the Cardinals taking on Messiah.  Should be some great basketball.

This is a regional. Sectionals are the next weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 12:06:11 pm
Right.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 12:12:41 pm
Messiah will beat Catholic...write it down
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 12:32:58 pm
Thanks for the support, Salem.

Any predictions for Hood while you're at it.

(I remember all the York people who wanted CAC unity last year.  Guess that went out the window...)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 12:40:04 pm
your bolting the CAC...you will get no support from me...Landmark conf more like the land fill conf. 

York is still in the CAC's, I will be rooting hard for Hood.  Catholic I have no reason to care for.  Same reason I am a big east fan when Miami won the conf.  Why should I care at all about a team jumping ship for what reason.  Its all political.

Thank you
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 12:43:04 pm
So far we have...


1. Landmine Conference
2. Landfill Conference


Let it all out fellas..


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 12:55:14 pm
Messiah versus Catholic.......as someone has already pointed out, the game has a Spiritual tone to it  ;D .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 01:04:05 pm
your bolting the CAC...you will get no support from me...Landmark conf more like the land fill conf. 

York is still in the CAC's, I will be rooting hard for Hood.  Catholic I have no reason to care for.  Same reason I am a big east fan when Miami won the conf.  Why should I care at all about a team jumping ship for what reason.  Its all political.

Thank you

Because until this season is over, Catholic is carrying the CAC flag in the tournament.

Now, look, I personally could care less.  Most of the other fans in the league hate us anyway--there's a word for that, actually---jealousy.  That's fine. 

But the bottom line is that if Catholic does well in the tournament, that reflects well on the CAC, and in turn, York.  So that's why you should care.

But its not any skin off of my nose.  The irony is that York is probably the team I have the most respect for other than us in the CAC, so I do tend to expect a little more from York fans. 

And I hate to tell you Salem--but lets be honest--without Catholic, where is the CAC?  Catholic put that conference on the map.  Its going to be up to Hood and York and a few others to KEEP it on the map.  But if I was in the position of somebody who is in the Catholic-less CAC, I'd hardly be putting down another conference. 

Year in, year out, given the quality of the institutions in the Landmark, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it passes the CAC. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 01:12:16 pm
your bolting the CAC...you will get no support from me...Landmark conf more like the land fill conf. 

York is still in the CAC's, I will be rooting hard for Hood.  Catholic I have no reason to care for.  Same reason I am a big east fan when Miami won the conf.  Why should I care at all about a team jumping ship for what reason.  Its all political.

Thank you

Because until this season is over, Catholic is carrying the CAC flag in the tournament.

Now, look, I personally could care less.  Most of the other fans in the league hate us anyway--there's a word for that, actually---jealousy.  That's fine. 

But the bottom line is that if Catholic does well in the tournament, that reflects well on the CAC, and in turn, York.  So that's why you should care.

But its not any skin off of my nose.  The irony is that York is probably the team I have the most respect for other than us in the CAC, so I do tend to expect a little more from York fans. 

And I hate to tell you Salem--but lets be honest--without Catholic, where is the CAC?  Catholic put that conference on the map.  Its going to be up to Hood and York and a few others to KEEP it on the map.  But if I was in the position of somebody who is in the Catholic-less CAC, I'd hardly be putting down another conference. 

Year in, year out, given the quality of the institutions in the Landmark, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it passes the CAC.   Already, Catholic and Scranton are a better 1-2 than anything in the CAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 01:30:07 pm
I disagree with you.  You love your Cardinals and I respect that.  I respect Catholic more then any team.  The last 3 years have really built the rivalry.  Its just to bad there leaving. 

That being said your right in basketball the CAC will be better the Landmark.  We are losing a traditional power in CAtholic and will be real tough.  If Hood wins 2 games it will reflect more on the future of the CAC then Catholic winning 2 games. 

I think the Landmark Conf will hurt Catholic with the rivalries more then help.  Most of the teams are no where near Catholic.  But whatever I can go on all day, Catholic is Miami, they think there better then the CAC and bolted, 3 years later there a 6-6 football team and the Big East went 5-0 in bowl games.  Yes I know long shot sceniro but leaving a conf is not always a good thing!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 02:03:41 pm
Well actually I said the opposite...Landmark will be better than CAC, in my humble opinion.

Yes, it will be great if Hood wins a few games too.  But all I'm saying is that THIS year, Catholic played a CAC schedule and in fact took some hits, so if they have a nice tournament run, its still a good thing for the CAC.

After we're officially gone, I certainly wouldn't expect anybody else from the CAC to care how we do.

And for the record, Catholic leaving the CAC was not about "thinking they were better" than the CAC.  It was a desire to be in a more geographically diverse conference that has more schools like them in it.   As has been said, I don't think this was a basketball decision as much as a big picture athletics decision.  There comes a point when a $30,000 a year school trying to attract a lacrosse player just can't compete with a $14,000 a year school in the same league.

Basketball is different because of the tradition and history--if you come play at Catholic, you can pretty much take it to the bank that your season is not ending in February.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:09:39 pm
thats all politically crap...York competes in almost all sports with catholic and it fact does better in a lot of sports.  Its catholic trying to "think" there above everyone else.  And please the CAC will be much better as a whole then the Landmark in every sport.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on February 26, 2007, 02:20:11 pm
thats all politically crap...York competes in almost all sports with catholic and it fact does better in a lot of sports.  Its catholic trying to "think" there above everyone else.  And please the CAC will be much better as a whole then the Landmark in every sport.

Yeah. Like-minded institutions, where the students know how to spell "they're" and "than."

And institutions where they can understand a simple debate -- we are saying in fact that Catholic can't compete for student-athletes with low-cost institutions and state schools. So, duh, if York does better in a lot of sports that actually proves our argument, not yours.

We'll take the CAC in women's basketball, in volleyball, and I think in men's basketball too. And that's just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 02:22:44 pm
And York is one of the least expensive private schools in the entire country.  You just proved my point!

I just looked it up...tuition is $11,160 dollars at York.  At Catholic, its $27,700.  Total cost of York is just over $20k a year with room and board.  At Catholic, its over $40k.   Catholic and Goucher alone in the league are in that stratosphere cost-wise.  If you think that has no impact on attracting students, you're crazy.

You can call that "political crap," but I call it reality.  


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:27:28 pm
point well taken...i agree with you in some aspects

but dont tell me the Landmark is better then CAC  it just is not.  York against other Landmark schools are better as a whole in most sports.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 02:34:19 pm
I didn't tell you that.  I just said that in a few years time, I wouldn't be surprised if Landmark passed the CAC.   And I was talking about basketball. 

Already, I think most neutral observers would agree that the Catholic-Scranton combo is better than the top two teams in the CAC just in terms of program (and recent) history.  The concern about Landmark will be what the bottom of the league looks like, but that concern always has been present in the CAC.  I mean, will the worst team in Landmark really be worse than Gallaudet was this year?  Some of the Landmark schools have actually shown some real improvement this year, and I expect that to continue.

Frankly, I think there is a real opportunity for a school like York or Hood to just totally dominate the CAC.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 02:35:17 pm
point well taken...i agree with you in some aspects

but dont tell me the Landmark is better then CAC  it just is not.  York against other Landmark schools are better as a whole in most sports.

Wow you should form a group with Colonel John and Warren Thompson.


York is one school in the CAC; they may be better than some Landmark schools in some sports. But I don't think you want to break down York vs. all Landmark schools in all sports.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 02:35:59 pm
i agree with you maybe in due time...York has already started to dominate many sports in CAC's are mostly top 2 or 3 in most!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 03:03:48 pm
Permit me to enter into CAC/Landmark discussion, but I think Salisbury has won the last couple of CAC all sports championships  :) .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2007, 03:26:53 pm
We'll take the CAC in women's basketball, in volleyball, and I think in men's basketball too. And that's just off the top of my head.

Juniata alone will do the trick in volleyball. I'd guess the Landmark won't be too shabby in lacrosse, either, although Salisbury will keep the CAC flag pretty high.

I almost feel sorry for Merchant Marine in this conversation... all this "you're leaving the MAC/CAC" hate going on, everyone's ignoring them.  ;) Any of their fans out there?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 03:33:53 pm
The Grove:

While Juniata has the Volleyball championships, Salisbury has won a few Field Hockey National Championships lately  :) .
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 26, 2007, 03:45:56 pm
You'll notice I also conveniently left out soccer, too (*cough*Messiah*cough*)  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:06:50 pm
Messiah and York could arguably be 1 and 2 when the polls come out in the fall for men's soccer.

York three years in a row national coach of the year (basketball, wrestling, soccer).

I dont think Catholic was better then York in womens basketball.  Mary Wash was top 15.

I think the CAC's is better then the LAndmark especially in both soccer, basketball, I was going to say wrestling but most schools dont have it.  Give York a little credit from where they have come from til now over the last 5 years.  They are the dominant power in the major sports in the CAC!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 04:19:10 pm
Well, honestly I was really only talking about basketball, since that's what this thread is devoted to.  I never really followed any other sport at CUA so I'm not knowledgeable enough about the other teams in the CAC and Landmark in other sports. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:25:45 pm
Matt-

I was just putting it out there for debate....
....I will miss Catholic and York last 3 years they split and it was always a good game (not the 2006 @ york or 2007 @ catholic).  It was always intense wheather it was home or away.  So i will miss that aspect!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 26, 2007, 04:29:48 pm
One final Salisbury post.  The Seagulls were National runner-up last year in Women's Lacrosse and have won 6 CAC titles and 8 NCAA post seasons appearance

Salisbury's women softball tean has 10 straight CAC titles and a couple of World Series appearance, and was national runner-up in 2003 and 2005.  The Lady Gulls were third in 2004.

The Salisbury Baseball team also has 2 World Series appearance 6 CAC titles and are currently ranked #16 nationally.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 04:34:53 pm
Wow. I thought the Freedom board's bombing of Scranton this year was something, but this equally as bad.
I'm sure by the end of it's first season, we'll all find out if the CAC will be better than the Landmark or if the Landmark will be their equal.
CAC fans must be aware that many Landmark schools have rich traditions they are bringing to the table.
I'm sure you know the success of Catholic's men basketball program and I'm positive they have other solid programs as well.
Scranton has won two men's basketball national titles and is always among the stronger programs in the nation; their women's program has a national title in basketball along with appearing in eight Final Fours.
That's not a bad start and I only mentioned two of the eight schools.
And it's not like the above two programs can go out and get whoever they want. Hint: I'm talking tuition, among other things.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 04:36:24 pm
Juniata has a nasty women's volleyball team. Its field hockey team also was pretty good and was ranked throughout the season. (It didn't win the Commonwealth, but that's a given with Messiah in your conference). Juniata's Kim Wagner returns after her first-team All America season last year with 31 goals.

SU's golf team has been impressive in the past. It had a streak of 14 or 15 consecutive MAC championships that was ended a few seasons ago. It also boasts good track and field teams.

Moravian's softball team is currently ranked 15th in pre-season D3 polls.

Merchant Marine is supposed to have good swimming teams, or so I have heard.

Scranton women's basketball is a given.

As far as men's basketball goes, Juniata is bring back a good team. Susquehanna isn't graduating anybody on its team and will feature a healthy Josh Robinson. Scranton and Catholic are sure to return good teams. Merchant Marine will be returning three players that averaged at least 10 points per game.

You also have to realize that 3/8 of the Landmark's teams stood in Messiah's shadow for how many seasons. In 2005, Messiah won national championships in, I believe, three Fall sports and gave up less than ten goals in them combined.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:43:23 pm
lets try to stick to major sports...baseball, softball, basketball, soccer, field hockey, and lax...sorry golf and track
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 04:43:35 pm
The Susquehanna-Catholic basketball game this year was one of the best games of the season--won on a buzzer beater.

Now, Catholic didn't play their best in that game, and frankly should have won more comfortably, but the point is that the games will be competitive.  

Its not accident that Catholic and Scranton started playing each other even before Landmark was under consideration--like minded schools with great programs.

I'll certainly aware of the success that Scranton has had and I think the Catholic-Scranton combo is one of the best 1-2's in the Middle Atlantic.  They'll both be Pool B contenders the next two years.  
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 04:48:02 pm
lets try to stick to major sports...baseball, softball, basketball, soccer, field hockey, and lax...sorry golf and track


Ha, Field Hockey vs. Golf and Track.....such a big difference...You have to include them all, Salem.


Moving on...anyone know when the Landmark website will be released...who will be hosting it , etc?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 04:48:47 pm
York beat Susquenna by 15 in men's basetkball...game was never close
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 05:07:09 pm
York beat Susquenna by 15 in men's basetkball...game was never close

York also barely beat Albright, which was one of the worst men's basketball teams in the Commonwealth. And Susquehanna also lost a buzzer-beater to Catholic, which defeated YCP by 16 in January. So what's your point?

If you're going to count lacrosse and field hockey, you have to count track, swim and golf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 05:10:39 pm
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2007, 05:11:14 pm
York beat Susquenna by 15 in men's basetkball...game was never close

York also barely beat Albright, which was one of the worst men's basketball teams in the Commonwealth. And Susquehanna also lost a buzzer-beater to Catholic, which defeated YCP by 16 in January. So what's your point?

If you're going to count lacrosse and field hockey, you have to count track, swim and golf.


He has no point. He is upset that Catholic has moved on to the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 26, 2007, 05:53:28 pm
i can careless about CAtholic...just intrested what people think about the 2 conf....so relax

York beat Catholic as well at home so they split this year.  Catholic and York have split home/home last 3 years.  Im talking about between the two conf I am just comparing.  This still be Albright no matter which way you look at it plus it was early in this year when York was forming there identity after two great teams and 6 seniors left..

....Catholic is good in one sport maybe 2...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 06:56:19 pm
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.

And why is that? It's on par academically with the other schools and is better than Moravian and Drew athletically. Although, three and four years ago, I will admit it had one of the worst athletic programs in Division III.

For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 26, 2007, 07:13:00 pm
Susquejamma: CC is not a Scranton fan...he follows all the NEPA teams & sometimes along the way...he enjoys tossing out grenades just to watch the collateral damage. Take no offense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 07:25:26 pm
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.
And why is that? It's on par academically with the other schools and is better than Moravian and Drew athletically. Although, three and four years ago, I will admit it had one of the worst athletic programs in Division III.
For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.

Your first paragraph is a riot and I highly doubt the second graph. Scranton wouldn't have joined if that was the case since they aren't going to play second fiddle to anyone.
I posted about Susqy to get a rise out of you, but I am still awaiting your response to your inane post around Christmas when you remarked that "Wilkes-Barre is a biggot city."
Can you be a man and explain that remark?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 07:58:05 pm
I don't like the idea of Susquehanna in the Landmark. It cheapens the conference.
And why is that? It's on par academically with the other schools and is better than Moravian and Drew athletically. Although, three and four years ago, I will admit it had one of the worst athletic programs in Division III.
For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.

Your first paragraph is a riot and I highly doubt the second graph. Scranton wouldn't have joined if that was the case since they aren't going to play second fiddle to anyone.
I posted about Susqy to get a rise out of you, but I am still awaiting your response to your inane post around Christmas when you remarked that "Wilkes-Barre is a biggot city."
Can you be a man and explain that remark?

I wasn't calling Wilkes-Barre bigoted. I was calling one of the Wilkes' fans -- who made homophobic/sexist/anti-Catholic remarks directed towards Scranton fans -- a bigot. If anything, I was trying to rebut the notion that Wilkes-Barre is a bigoted place since every other King's and Wilkes fan on the board seemed to be one. But thanks for putting words into my mouth. Appreciated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2007, 08:12:51 pm
From susquejamma responding to wb1313
on: December 31, 2006, 01:49:50 am
To be honest, I am ashamed to be from a city where such bigotry resides


Your rebuttal can be taken two ways. If you meant it to be aimed solely at wb1313, that's fine. I took offense to his comments as well since my niece goes to Scranton and she's Catholic.
It can also be taken as a shot towards all residents of W-B. That's where I thought you were going with it.
My humblest apologies if I'm wrong.
Besides, you're an Orioles fan so you can't be that bad. And, if you're a Peter Angelos hater, you're really near the top of my favorites list.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 26, 2007, 08:31:33 pm
From susquejamma responding to wb1313
on: December 31, 2006, 01:49:50 am
To be honest, I am ashamed to be from a city where such bigotry resides


Your rebuttal can be taken two ways. If you meant it to be aimed solely at wb1313, that's fine. I took offense to his comments as well since my niece goes to Scranton and she's Catholic.
It can also be taken as a shot towards all residents of W-B. That's where I thought you were going with it.
My humblest apologies if I'm wrong.
Besides, you're an Orioles fan so you can't be that bad. And, if you're a Peter Angelos hater, you're really near the top of my favorites list.

It was the former not the latter. My apologies, I didn't mean to offend. (After all, I'd be taking a shot at myself).

Down with Angelos.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 09:01:15 pm
I didn't think there were any Orioles fans left.

Every time I go there to cheer for my Red Sox, I'm part of the raucus majority at Fenway South, er...Oriole Park at Camden Yards at pick a name already!

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 26, 2007, 09:11:09 pm
Oh! Oh! Me me me!!! I'm an Orioles fan!!! :) :) :)

Can't jump off the bandwagon of the team who had Cal Ripken Jr. I grew up watching Orioles games and that's just how it's going to be. All the DC people who switched to the Nationals after years of Orioles fandom just cause the Nationals were closer and doing better are sellouts.  >:( :P :D ;) ;D

So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now? :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 09:22:59 pm
Oh! Oh! Me me me!!! I'm an Orioles fan!!! :) :) :)

Can't jump off the bandwagon of the team who had Cal Ripken Jr. I grew up watching Orioles games and that's just how it's going to be. All the DC people who switched to the Nationals after years of Orioles fandom just cause the Nationals were closer and doing better are sellouts.  >:( :P :D ;) ;D

So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now? :P

Baseball trivia...Name the last major league baseball team to integrate.

The Boston Red Sox.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2007, 10:09:19 pm
That is true.  Pumpsie Green was the first black Red Sox player, I believe.   They passed on Willie Mays!

The Tom Yawkey Administration was not so open to equality.  Though they were hardly alone.

But I never believed the Red Sox were cursed.  There never was a Curse of the Bambino.  Babe Ruth wasn't sold by Harry Frazee to finance a play.  He didn't die poor, either.  There's a lot of common misconceptions that make fun stories for the media, but aren't true.

But anyway, Orioles fans are few and far between these days.  I don't really blame them, but its pretty pathetic to go to a ballgame and get booed by fans of the opposing team in your own stadium.  I've been to games when its literally 75% Sox fans!

The Orioles are horribly mismanaged now.  They're never going to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox unless they get smart.   Even the Blue Jays have improved some, overall the O's rotation is pretty bad.

I was at Cal Ripken's last game...it was against the Red Sox.  Brady Anderson struck out to end the game and deny Cal another at bat...fitting!  It was great to see, but I was never a particularly big Ripken fan.  No point in going into that debate, but lets just say that there came a point where I didn't think he was helping the Orioles anymore.

I don't like the Nationals either.  I've got one team, born and raised since the time I could comprehend such a thing.   My wife and I watch every game on satellite.  We take trips and see them on the road, even stay at their hotels.  We are definitely what you call diehards! I cried in 03 and, winning the World Series was one of the best events of my life--I'd probably say #1 is our baby, #2 is getting married, #3 is the Sox winning the Series.  Well, maybe something political in there too...

Oh, and Catholic winning the 01 NCAA's...SEE, back on topic!!!
Title: Re: Oriole Nation
Post by: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 12:44:49 am
Baltimore has some promise. It has a young rotation that, if it works to its potential, could shake some heads. Erik Bedard is one of the best young guns in the league, and if Daniel Cabrera gets his control down, he could be a 15-game winner.

Anyways, it's hard for any team to get fans with an owner as bad as Angelos. Hell, Expos' fans deserted Olympic Stadium when they traded away their best players. Same with Florida. Give Baltimore some credit for at least showing up. Fenway South is a falsehood. When Boston was sitting in third place behind Toronto in September, Oriole Park at Camden Yards, one of the few newer stadium to have a noncorporate ballpark name, was full of black-and-orange. (And the Red Sox fans that did show up were well-informed of their team's bandwagon fans).

The worst is going to a Yankee-Oriole weekend series and sitting in the cheap seats. As much as I hate pinstriped fans, props to the guy who started a "Get a fanbase" chant.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 27, 2007, 01:13:40 am
Had tickets to see one of Cal's last games.  Date on the ticket:  Sept 13th, 2001.  Needless to say, it got rescheduled.  Turned out to be part of Cal's final homestand.  Great to see the Legg Mason building lit up with a big 8.  That said, the O's, ugh.  Think about how bad they'd be without the steroids.  ERRR, B-12 injections.

So, who out of Landmark made the dance?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 09:31:09 am
Yeah, that's what happened to us too--we had tickets for the last game of that series right after 9/11, which got pushed back to the end of the season.  Lots of people got screwed who had paid big bucks for what they thought was the last game of the season.  Earlier that year in Baltimore we also said Nomo pitch a no-hitter.

Catholic made the dance and is hosted a regional.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 09:42:38 am
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no."

And then after the first at-bat, all the Yankmes came out of the dugout and started applauding.

I say boot Angelos and sell the team to Cal.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 09:51:31 am
Sorry to say it but the O's need to get rid of Angelos...They are in for another sorry 90 loss season...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:01:17 am
Landmark will be better than CAC, in my humble opinion.

I think the only way to settle the CAC vs Landmark debate (as far as basketball) is on the court. We need a Landmark vs CAC tourney to start the season off ala the ACC/Big 10 challenge. Here is how I see the break down using records for this year so far, I know That CUA, Hood, and VJC are still playing:

#1 Hood (21-7) vs #1 CUA (22-5)
#2 VJC (20-7) vs #2 Scranton (19-7)
#3 Mary Wash (16-10) vs #3 Susquehanna (16-10)
#4 York (16-10) vs #4 Juniata (16-11)
#5 St. Mary’s (16-11) vs #4 Kings Point (14-12)
#6 MMU (14-11) vs #6 Moravian (11-14)
#7 Salisbury (12-14) vs #7 Drew (9-15)
#8 Wesley (11-15) vs #8 Goucher (7-18)

Obviously we cant pick who would win these games right now with out knowing what kind of off season recruiting each team will have but it would be a great way to kick off the season. You could have a game at 4 CAC schools and 4 Landmark schools or a pod system where 4 games would be played at one CAC School and the other 4 at a Landmark school.

Here are some numbers:
2007 NCAA Tourny Teams: Landmark (1) CAC (2)
2007 20 Game winners: Landmark (1) CAC (2)
2007 Winning Records: Landmark (5/8) CAC (6/9)
2007 Combined record: Landmark (114-92 55.3%) CAC 130-106 57.5%)

It all seems pretty even to me, but the best way to settle it is still on the court!

By the way, I'm also an O's fan. I was at Cal's Last game, October 6, 2001 and at 2131 September 6, 1995. I'll be in Cooperstown this summer to see him get into the hall. But, If I could change one thing it would be Peter Angelos!!!!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:02:09 am
susquejamma, do you see what you started with all this Orioles talk?
I always thought Robert Irsay was the most hated person in Baltimore. Not anymore. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2007, 10:03:56 am
So Matt... do I get to give my speech about how the Red Sox were cursed because they were racist now? :P
Baseball trivia...Name the last major league baseball team to integrate.
The Boston Red Sox.
That is true.  Pumpsie Green was the first black Red Sox player, I believe.   They passed on Willie Mays!...The Tom Yawkey Administration was not so open to equality.  Though they were hardly alone...But I never believed the Red Sox were cursed.  There never was a Curse of the Bambino.
Of course there wasn't a curse of the Bambino, they were "cursed" for being racist?  ??? ::)

No pity. :P

They're never going to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox unless they get smart lots and lots of money like everyone else in the AL-E.
Since that's the case, I'd almost rather lose... almost. :D

Sorry, my sis's fiance is a Red Soxs fan, and my sister is a sellout with all her pink RedSox gear. In fact, my future brother in law first proposed at Fenway on the scoreboard (like that wasn't predictable). (Ironically, my parents said "not yet," and they ended up getting engaged for real later at Inner Harbor!) :D I love em and all, but I guarantee they are some of those people booing when the Red Sox are @ Baltimore. I have to try and get my jabs in whenever I can... being in the league owned by the two richest baseball squads doesn't give me much to cheer about very often. Since we are all ethnic minorities, and the sis's fiance is even more obsessive than the normal Red Sox fan, the above assertion/accusation about racism being the cause of the curse produces visible pain/agitation. :D

That said, the O's, ugh.  Think about how bad they'd be without the steroids.  ERRR, B-12 injections.
It's funny cause it's true.  :-[ :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:09:21 am
Who does everyone got...

two of your tenants of the Landmark faceoff

Messiah
Catholic

Should be good, Catholic has a lot of senior leadership.

Matt- How is Catholic looking for next year with all the seniors graduating.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 10:13:03 am
Who does everyone got...

two of your tenants of the Landmark faceoff

Messiah
Catholic




Sigh. If we are going to compare Landmark to CAC, you need to know what teams are in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:14:19 am
Obviously we cant pick who would win these games right now with out knowing what kind of off season recruiting each team will have but it would be a great way to kick off the season. You could have a game at 4 CAC schools and 4 Landmark schools or a pod system where 4 games would be played at one CAC School and the other 4 at a Landmark school.

I know Scranton and Susquehanna each lose a key reserve but have all their starters returning. I also know Catholic got D.J. Johnston, a 6-4 G/F from Germantown Academy in Philly. How they got a committment from a player of his caliber this early is anyone's guess, unless he wasn't highly recruited? I don't know.
I have no clue about the remainder of the schools in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:21:29 am
cold_case-

that would be real intresting...it would be sort of like the acc/big ten challenge...have like a cup for the winner
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:22:20 am
cold_case-

that would be real intresting...it would be sort of like the acc/big ten challenge...have like a cup for the winner

Didn't I say that already?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:23:39 am
Sorry kitchenrat...i missed your post....you deserve the credit
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:25:08 am
Not looking for credit, just being a jerk. It's what I do best.

I do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:25:20 am
Salem, I can see why your school never got an invite to the Landmark. :)
Your post of fellow Landmark schools Messiah and Catholic squaring off this weekend is way off. Messiah is not in the Landmark. :P
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:29:42 am
cold_case-

my fault...long morning at work already...thinking of a different school, Morivan..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:31:46 am
I do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.

kitchenrat, why would the other schools that have no connection to the CAC want to participate in a challenge?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:35:04 am
I do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.

kitchenrat, why would the other schools that have no connection to the CAC want to participate in a challenge?


The last time I checked 9+8=17. I know I only have a poor York College education but I think the math is right.

I only showed 1-8 for the CAC, we also have Gally who I guess would have to play an intrasquad game that day.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:36:26 am
The Holiday festival December 29th, 2007

Landmark vs CAC

Catholic @ York
GAlly @ Us Merchant Marines
Susquenna @ Mary Wash
Salisbury @ Scranton
Juniata @ Hood
St. Mary's @ Goucher
Morivan @ Marymount
Villa Julie@ Drew (Not a traditional CAC team but its either them or Wesley)

OR have a 2 day event at the Grumbacher Sport and Fitness Center.   ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 10:39:49 am
I do think this is something that the 17 schools should look into. In fact, I may say something to the AD about it.

kitchenrat, why would the other schools that have no connection to the CAC want to participate in a challenge?



Or why would the CAC, Freedom or Commonwealth want to associate with the Landmark?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:41:04 am
Keep old rival's and create some new ones plus it will get the attention of many in the area if this were to come up...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:46:04 am
What area and where would this not-going-to-happen tourney take place?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 10:47:56 am
The New gym at York College, The Grumbacher Sport and Fitness Center

It will happen...I'll pull some strings lol ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:50:39 am
Why in York. Why not in Wilkes-Barre at First Union Arena? Or just a little further south, say, at Lehigh's Stabler Arena?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 10:54:23 am
The idea is consistency of non-conference scheduling. As a school in Central PA we (York) play a few of the new Landmark schools almost every year. But we also play one-off’s against schools we have no particular connection to, which is true of all schools. The only way to have a tradition is to establish one, I’m not saying it has to be CAC vs Landmark, but that’s as good a place to start as any.

Plus, the original point of my post was if we are going to argue who is better, the Landmark or the CAC one way to solve that is to play head to head.

As for where, the ACC/Big 10 just plays half at ACC schools and the other half at Big 10 schools.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 10:57:33 am
The idea is consistency of non-conference scheduling. As a school in Central PA we (York) play a few of the new Landmark schools almost every year. But we also play one-off’s against schools we have no particular connection to, which is true of all schools. The only way to have a tradition is to establish one, I’m not saying it has to be CAC vs Landmark, but that’s as good a place to start as any.

Plus, the original point of my post was if we are going to argue who is better, the Landmark or the CAC one way to solve that is to play head to head.

As for where, the ACC/Big 10 just plays half at ACC schools and the other half at Big 10 schools.


Sounds good, but it would have to be on the weekend. Landmark schools reserve the week for studying.... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 10:59:03 am
I understand your post but when you look at the geographics, the schools that will be inconvenienced the most (travel-wise) are from the Freedom, Commonwealth and King's Point.
You're also forgetting the costs involved such as hotel and meals. The Landmark schools already will be travelling distances and staying overnight during the season.
It's an expensive idea you have without considering what will go into it.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 11:04:11 am
In playing a non-conference schedule there is always travel involved. The idea is to use 1 of those non-conference games to play a school from the other league. Wesley can go to Kings Point, and Salisbury to Drew. Those are drives that can be done in one day with out an overnights stay.

I’m not talking about a win and advance tournament, it is a challenge involving one CAC school playing one Landmark school. Or one CAC school playing one ODAC school
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:07:32 am
Ok, well I don't know that we have to argue about logistics since this isn't going to happen, at least next year.  But I do like the fact that people are excited about games and talking about the new league already.  There is nothing wrong with a little rivarly to spice things up and generate interest, and there is a natural connection between the CAC and Landmark because so many of those teams already show up on each other's schedules and one of the most dominant programs in the East coast is switching over.

I think the biggest question mark going forward is what region Landmark will be in--that is what should dictate non-conference scheduling for all these teams.  Catholic went undefeated outside of the conference this year, and every single game was in region.  That had a major impact on the Cardinals getting a top seed and thus hosting a regional in the tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 11:08:28 am
kitchenrat, if that's the case, put Scranton vs York together.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 11:19:34 am
kitchenrat, if that's the case, put Scranton vs York together.

That would be great. That would be a quality opponent for York, and not a gimmie for Scranton by any means. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2007, 11:21:41 am
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no."

And then after the first at-bat, all the Yankmes came out of the dugout and started applauding.

I was driving back to D.C. that night after watching Mark McGwire hit homer No. 65 in Milwaukee. Aghast in the car listening on ESPN Radio.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 11:23:59 am

For a Scranton fan, I wouldn't talk. The only reason Scranton is in the Landmark, and I've heard this from quite a few legit sources, is because the Elizabethtown's athletic facilities were archaic.


You obviously haven't seen Scranton's world class facilities. Although I did hear Elizabethtown was in the mix...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 11:27:17 am
York has the nicest facility

Stabler is nothing special and old...

Matt- this could happen its not an actual tourney, its an event since there is much into this
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 11:28:55 am
Obviously we cant pick who would win these games right now with out knowing what kind of off season recruiting each team will have but it would be a great way to kick off the season. You could have a game at 4 CAC schools and 4 Landmark schools or a pod system where 4 games would be played at one CAC School and the other 4 at a Landmark school.

I know Scranton and Susquehanna each lose a key reserve but have all their starters returning. I also know Catholic got D.J. Johnston, a 6-4 G/F from Germantown Academy in Philly. How they got a committment from a player of his caliber this early is anyone's guess, unless he wasn't highly recruited? I don't know.
I have no clue about the remainder of the schools in the Landmark.

Uhh--yeah, DJ Johnston was/is highly recruited!!!  Actually one of the top D3 recruits on the East Coast.

Catholic will need him, as they are graduated 6 seniors, five of whom get big minutes.  Basically, when Mike Lonergan left to go to be an assistant at Maryland (and btw, his Vermont team just clinched the America East regular season championship in his second year with no upperclassmen!), Catholic didn't hire Coach Howes until late summer.  Catholic lost its recruiting class in the process.

Now, they have a huge freshman class and from what I can tell, a bunch of these guys can really play, but they didn't get big minutes thanks to the seniors.  They will have two starting junior guards, Stolzethaler and Olivero, and I anticipate big minutes and success from Fazzini, Quinn and Jones, all big guys (Fazzini more of a 3/4 who can shoot), who will be sophomores.

This tournament experience will be great for them.

Obviously, freshman class will be key, but
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 11:29:53 am
Let me make a prediction.
I predict by the end of this weekend, the newly born Landmark will surpass the Commonwealth is posts.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 27, 2007, 11:41:17 am
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no."

And then after the first at-bat, all the Yankmes came out of the dugout and started applauding.
I was driving back to D.C. that night after watching Mark McGwire hit homer No. 65 in Milwaukee. Aghast in the car listening on ESPN Radio.
 

Pat, I did my internship with the Redsox that summer and was upset to find out that Cal sat out the last game at home, because my boss with the Sox got me tickets to the last game of the year (O's at Sox) which I thought was going to be the day he did it. Of course he did the right thing by doing it at home. I sat in the WABU skybox and watched the game with one eye as I wateched Big Mac his #69 and #70 with the other.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 11:56:29 am

Uhh--yeah, DJ Johnston was/is highly recruited!!!  Actually one of the top D3 recruits on the East Coast.


Catholic has no problem getting kids into their program. Sets the bar in the Landmark. Haven't heard anything about any Scranton recruits.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 12:18:06 pm
Matt-

Do you think next year Catholic will struggle to win 20 games.  It looks like there will be a lot of turnover.

I don't see why this challenge could not happen, there would just be an odd team out probably Welsey or Villa Julie
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2007, 12:32:30 pm
Well just getting all these schools together to schedule something like that would be difficult.  I'm sure there are existing commitments for various schools (home and away agreements, etc) and that scheduling is already going on for next year. 

Yes, I do think the decade long 20 game win streak is in jeopardy.  Its tough to tell though simply because there weren't a lot of minutes to go around.  I know the staff is high on the freshman class there now, but us fans didn't see too much of them save for Quinn and Fazzini.

Switching leagues will help--its get to a point where familiarity plays a big role in winning and losing and that generally benefits teams with less talent.  For instance, Goucher stole a win at Catholic this year, but nobody on the planet thinks that the Gophers were anywhere near the Cardinals.  They just knew Catholic so well that it was easier for them to devise a strategy to win that one game.  The next time they played, Catholic blew them out.

In Landmark, there won't be as much familiarity, so pure talent may dictate a little bit more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 12:49:10 pm
Possibly Matt, when they came to York the bench produced 0 points if I remember correctly.  Its hard replacing so much scoring, ask York this year it took them 9-10 games to get the new players involved into the system.  I would say a 12-12 to 16-10 season would be a great year for Catholic next year.

Your right though being familiar with a team is important.  Plus there are 2-3 bottom feeders in the Landmark, so there should be a top 4 finish for Catholic behind Scranton, Juniata, and maybe Susquenna.  I'm not familiar with Drew and Us Merchants and Morivan is never very good.  I've backed up on my stance on how I care about Catholic, I was just hoping this great rivalry had a few more years in it!  Can't believe I am saying this but, GOOD LUCK CATHOLIC
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 01:23:08 pm
MORAVIAN


www.moravian.edu

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2007, 01:34:45 pm
Catholic has no problem getting kids into their program. Sets the bar in the Landmark. Haven't heard anything about any Scranton recruits.

Yes you have, cut the nonsense, NEPA!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 02:47:15 pm
I know Scranton and Susquehanna each lose a key reserve but have all their starters returning.
I have no clue about the remainder of the schools in the Landmark.

Actually SU isn't losing anyone. It had one senior who was out all season with a tumor. I think Juniata is returning most of its players too.

Quote from: cold_case on Today at 10:25:20 am
Salem, I can see why your school never got an invite to the Landmark. Smiley
Your post of fellow Landmark schools Messiah and Catholic squaring off this weekend is way off. Messiah is not in the Landmark. Tongue

 :) It's okay. He's also refered to SU as Susquenna about five times already on the Landmark board.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 02:59:35 pm
Ok relax i type fast, i am sorry for the typo for SU. 

SU will be OK next year at best
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2007, 03:00:50 pm
Catholic has no problem getting kids into their program. Sets the bar in the Landmark. Haven't heard anything about any Scranton recruits.

Yes you have, cut the nonsense, NEPA!


Oh okay....we are talking about non-rumors/confirmed recruits?


SU has the best player in the conference...when healthy...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 03:04:28 pm
:) It's okay. He's also refered to SU as Susquenna about five times already on the Landmark board.

Susquenna - Is that a type of flower or banana?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 03:05:59 pm
who cares Susquehanna ;D

probably still wrong
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 27, 2007, 03:20:37 pm
:) It's okay. He's also refered to SU as Susquenna about five times already on the Landmark board.

Susquenna - Is that a type of flower or banana?

I believe it is the name of one of the two-dollar hookers on Market Street in Sunbury.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on February 27, 2007, 03:24:21 pm
market street in york  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 27, 2007, 03:45:08 pm
Not gonna lie... as a south central PA native, thus knowing of which both of you speak, I may have to call that one a toss-up.   :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 27, 2007, 11:37:51 pm
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no.


 I was there that nite, also. It was Yom Kippur and my Jewish friend couldn't go and gave me his seats. Could have stayed home and not seen Cal play instead of going and not seeing him play. People offering $5 for the ticket stub on way out.
  Ryan Minor was a bball star at Oklahoma, by the way, when they had NCAA tournament teams.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on February 28, 2007, 09:01:19 am
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no.


 I was there that nite, also. It was Yom Kippur and my Jewish friend couldn't go and gave me his seats. Could have stayed home and not seen Cal play instead of going and not seeing him play. People offering $5 for the ticket stub on way out.
  Ryan Minor was a bball star at Oklahoma, by the way, when they had NCAA tournament teams.

Now Ryan Minor is the hitting coach for the York Revolution. The manager is Chris Hoiles, the Pitching coach is Tippy Martinez and the Bench coach is Al Bumbry!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 09:08:30 am
Too bad they can't pry Mike Flanagan away from his GM duties with the Orioles. He's reason #2 why we're knee deep in demise. Make that hip deep.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 09:25:35 am
I was there Sept. 20, 1998.. the night Cal sat.

I'll never forget the disbelief that spread amongst my group in the stands: *poke* "Hey, who's that at third?" "That's not an 8, it's a 10... it's Ryan Minor...." "Did they move Cal back to short?" *looks* "um....no.


 I was there that nite, also. It was Yom Kippur and my Jewish friend couldn't go and gave me his seats. Could have stayed home and not seen Cal play instead of going and not seeing him play. People offering $5 for the ticket stub on way out.

I still have an unused ticket from that night. Wonder what I could get for it?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 09:28:16 am
Grove, I have a deal for you. I'll trade you a Super Bowl XLI game program for the ticket.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:20:37 am
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2007, 11:23:14 am
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)

Wait a minute, your singing my song. :(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: susquejamma on February 28, 2007, 11:32:33 am
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)

Wait a minute, your singing my song. :(

Aren't we all? I miss the days when you could buy people off with 12-packs of the Rock.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 11:36:21 am
Tempting, cold_case, but I'm poor ... I need $$$$.  ;)

Wait a minute, your singing my song. :(

Aren't we all? I miss the days when you could buy people off with 12-packs of the Rock.


Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2007, 11:42:03 am
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2007, 04:18:53 pm
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm


Now who is going to find that one buried on the Moravian.edu site?   Huh, Landmark home offices are at Drew? Lets have the CAC-Landmark tourny at the Meadowlands.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 01, 2007, 09:39:35 am
Quote from: susquejamma link=topic=5121.msg690144#msg690144
Aren't we all? I miss the days when you could buy people off with 12-packs of the Rock.
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'Jamma, I can't say I've ever met a Toronto FC fan before.  Seriously, name one guy on that team without Google-ing, and you get a karma point.  That said, my boys in Liverpool would smoke your Canadians.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 01, 2007, 10:07:45 am
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm


Now who is going to find that one buried on the Moravian.edu site?   

I stumbled across it by accident, FWIW...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 01, 2007, 10:13:05 am
Maybe the LANDMARK is hiring...

Actually, it is: http://www.moravian.edu/athletics/landmark/AsstComm.htm


Now who is going to find that one buried on the Moravian.edu site?   

I stumbled across it by accident, FWIW...


Okay. I actually found it on a number of other sites, as well. Let me know how your interview goes!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 01, 2007, 10:51:19 am
Where do I apply. I'll have the conference being the epitomy of D-III in two years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on March 01, 2007, 11:00:15 am
I stumbled across it by accident, FWIW...


Okay. I actually found it on a number of other sites, as well. Let me know how your interview goes!  ;D

Haha... I would, if they'd let me work out of Selinsgrove.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 01, 2007, 11:14:23 am
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
 
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Colonel, Are you not a big fan of Latin?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2007, 09:52:36 am
Horrible bus accident in Atlanta, Ga this morning. Thoughts and prayers to the families of the Bluffton University baseball team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2007, 12:59:58 am
Ok, I'm ready--bring on the LANDMARK.  (Yeah, yeah, Catholic's run in the tournament is done.  But they had a very good season).

I think Catholic had already taken the CAC logos out of the gym...

I know things will probably be pretty quiet until next fall, but I hope we can get to know a little bit about the schools of the Landmark and what we can expect this year. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 04, 2007, 04:01:26 am

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
Colonel, Are you not a big fan of Latin?

K-Rat, I love defunct languages.  I just use that as my profile quote because some people *cough* Scranton fans *cough* believe they're smarter than Wilkes fans.  If any of them got the joke, I figure they would have posted a response similar to yours by now.  Their silence is deafening.

That said, I can not, in good conscience, refer to this league as the "Landmark" until we establish what landmark (or landmarks) warranted the name.  Catholic, I get.  They're close to lots of landmarks.  Other schools, not so much:
Susquehanna - River
Juniata - River, maybe some farms
Drew - Madison Corners
Goucher - Camden Yards
Moravian - Dorney Park
King's Point - Long Island
Scranton - The Hills Section?  Farley's?

My mistake.  Maybe Scranton is counting the monuments of Samuel Gompers and Thaddeus Kosciuszko on Courthouse Square.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2007, 09:25:26 am
Well, maybe you can include the Landmarks in BETWEEN the institutions...you know, things that you would see if you were traveling...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 10:51:06 am
I think seeing the skyscrapers of NYC from Kings Point's campus sounds for something.

Perhaps it was simply a landmark decision to leave their current leagues and strike out on something new.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2007, 11:01:36 am
Goucher - Camden Yards

Does anyone not know their history... or Baltimore? There is more landmarks than just Camden Yards!

- Ft. McHenry (fort attacked by the British, witnessed by Francis Scott Key who then penned what would eventually become the National Anthem)
- Basillica of the Assumption (first Basillica ever built by the Catholic Church in the U.S.)
- Edgar Allan Poe's home and gravesite (fear the Raven)
- Babe Roth Museum

And that isn't talking about Annapolis!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 11:04:23 am
I don't know if ColonelJohn knows his history or not, but it's clear he has some issues with Scranton leaving the MAC. Didn't seem to care when it was just other teams in the league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 04, 2007, 11:11:09 am
I don't know if ColonelJohn knows his history or not, but it's clear he has some issues with Scranton leaving the MAC. Didn't seem to care when it was just other teams in the league.

I don't know if the Colonel has issues with Scranton entering the Landmark, but E-town just might ....  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2007, 11:47:09 am
Warren "Zevon" Thompson,
Not that it matters, but does E-town have issues with anyone else in the Landmark other than Scranton?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2007, 12:00:36 pm
Just curious - why would E-town have any issues with those in the Landmark... except for the fact that has hard as they tried... E-Town was left out on multiple occasions.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 04, 2007, 12:04:42 pm
Just curious - why would E-town have any issues with those in the Landmark... except for the fact that has hard as they tried... E-Town was left out on multiple occasions.

You've essentially answered your own question.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2007, 12:12:38 pm
I'll retro this by about 20 minutes.

Warren "Moon" Thompson,
Not that it matters, but does E-town have issues with anyone else in the Landmark other than Scranton?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 04, 2007, 07:50:43 pm
    Talked with both ADs(E-town and Scranton) yesterday separately and neither knew how the individual voting came out or what criteria was weighted the highest; Toby said material was presented to the committee and they came and inspected the facilities. E-town probably has better outside facilities at the present time, but Scranton was probably a better travel partner geographically with Moravian.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 04, 2007, 08:23:14 pm

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
Colonel, Are you not a big fan of Latin?

K-Rat, I love defunct languages.  I just use that as my profile quote because some people *cough* Scranton fans *cough* believe they're smarter than Wilkes fans.  If any of them got the joke, I figure they would have posted a response similar to yours by now.  Their silence is deafening.

That said, I can not, in good conscience, refer to this league as the "Landmark" until we establish what landmark (or landmarks) warranted the name.  Catholic, I get.  They're close to lots of landmarks.  Other schools, not so much:
Susquehanna - River
Juniata - River, maybe some farms
Drew - Madison Corners
Goucher - Camden Yards
Moravian - Dorney Park
King's Point - Long Island
Scranton - The Hills Section?  Farley's?

My mistake.  Maybe Scranton is counting the monuments of Samuel Gompers and Thaddeus Kosciuszko on Courthouse Square.

A friend of mine and I speak Latin to one another when we don’t want people to know what we’re talking about. It works well unless there is an exceptionally educated person around... or a Catholic Priest.

And if you try hard enough you can find a landmark any where. There are like 500 “George Washington Slept here” houses from DC to Long Island, so that could be where they got the name. Hell, even York has the distinction of being the first Capitol of the US since the Articles of Confederation were signed here.

Plus Scranton is home to Michael Scott and "The Office" that's gotta be worth something. -Best show on TV, Hands down-
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 10:06:30 pm
Hell, even York has the distinction of being the first Capitol of the US since the Articles of Confederation were signed here.

I wouldn't be crowing about the Articles of Confederation. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 05, 2007, 03:38:06 am
I don't know if ColonelJohn knows his history or not, but it's clear he has some issues with Scranton leaving the MAC. Didn't seem to care when it was just other teams in the league.
Absolutely.  Could care less if Drew, some CAC, some MAC-C, et al want to get together and form a conference.  My issue with Scranton joining the Landmine is that they have to abandon the rivalry with my alma mater.  Hell, a segment of the population knows me ONLY as ColonelJohn.  Yeah, it's personal. 

The "history" I know about Scranton - correct me where I'm wrong.  Their rival from the mid-90s on was Wilkes.  Their rival from the mid-90s back to the 60s was King's.  If Scranton was leaving the MAC-F because of a 40+ year absence in a rivalry, they're idiots.  If Scranton leaves their two current rivals, they're idiots. 

The history I remember is Bob Bessoir going for his 500th win, wearing a now-legendary purple tuxedo.  In our gym.  The history I remember is Scranton winning the 1983 NCAA Championship, and losing one conference game the entire season.  At King's.  Recent history I remember is the 2006 MAC-F Championship.  Wilkes at Scranton, decided by 1 point.

However, unlike most, I'm willing to listen if there's history I'm missing.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2007, 08:21:48 am
The history I remember is Scranton winning the 1983 NCAA Championship, and losing one conference game the entire season.  At King's. However, unlike most, I'm willing to listen if there's history I'm missing.

CJ, are you willing to listen that your legend of being wrong continues to grow at a feverish pitch. Scranton didn't lose a conference game that year and King's didn't even come close to pulling an upset.
I think you meant 1988 when Scranton reached the national title game as the year King's handed them their only conference loss. That was the game that J.P. Andrejko had the flu and played all of two minutes. Ask him, he'll tell you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2007, 08:59:19 am
    Talked with both ADs(E-town and Scranton) yesterday separately and neither knew how the individual voting came out or what criteria was weighted the highest; Toby said material was presented to the committee and they came and inspected the facilities. E-town probably has better outside facilities at the present time, but Scranton was probably a better travel partner geographically with Moravian.


They really inspected the facilities before the decided on the last member? Wow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:15:44 pm
That's so common it's not even noteworthy, NEPA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: wb1313 on March 05, 2007, 03:36:24 pm
I believe what the good Colonel is trying to say is that it really was underhanded how Scranton left for the Landfill.  Scranton coaches didn't even know until after the move happened and it seemed to be a cop out after many, many years of affiliation with their local rivals.  I still fail to see what Scranton will gain from making the move (academically or athletically) but that is their decision.  This is not D1 where travel plans are easy.   Scranton leaving the MAC is the equivelant of Michigan leaving the Big 10...it doesn't make sense!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 05, 2007, 03:55:34 pm
That's so common it's not even noteworthy, NEPA.


I had no idea this kind of thing occured at the D-3 level. Sorry for the ignorance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 05, 2007, 08:00:11 pm
Pat,
I thought NEPA's question was fair but the response wasn't. He didn't know the requirements involved to enter a new league.
The only suspense remaining is the date the conference announces it will be placed in the Atlantic Region, although that's already a given.
There are a couple other no brainers but we'll wait to comment on them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2007, 09:16:56 pm
I just don't get all the hand wringing here.  If Scranton wants to leave Mac-F, then let them leave! So what?

It doesn't matter if Scranton leaving is a good decision for Kings or for Wilkes.  It matters that its a good decision for Scranton!

Now, I realize that some debate centers around that, but I certainly don't think those who have no allegiance to Scranton are really in the best position to judge.  The bottom line is that time will tell.

I'll tell you one thing--if all this keeps up (remarks like Landfill) I think those institutions that are in Landmark are going to end up with hell of a chip on their shoulders.  I'd watch out non-conference.  These teams are NOT pushovers by any stretch, and even the ones that are weaker in basketball are going in the right direction for the most part.   But this is sort of like the D-1 equivalent of Carolina and Duke leaving the ACC and starting their own conference.  Take lightly at your own peril.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 05, 2007, 09:47:06 pm
I doubt any the teams are going to care if it is called landfill or landmine simply anything with the word land works for me.   Matt your dreaming if players are reading this caring what the name is called.  And stop telling us how good the conf. is when it is not really that good, YET!. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 05, 2007, 10:11:37 pm
Its not really the players, its the institutions.  A program develops a certain mentality or atmosphere...believe me, I've seen it.  You give teams a little extra incentive for an early season non-conference game, it could be a big advantage.

If you want an example, ask the Marymount guys how they feel about playing against Catholic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: wb1313 on March 06, 2007, 08:22:09 am
Salem, Matt is just yapping because he feels that everyone should be happy for these universities.  In essence, many of them left old conference foes hanging.   Many of these schools are wanna be ivy league schools that think they are better than everyone else at the D3 level.  MAC Freedom fans have a reason to be mad at Scranton as they had said they weren't going anywhere.  Don't let facts get in the way of being hard headed Matt.   The institutions in the "conference I will not name for fear of causing them to develop a complex" will not have that fighting mentality because they already have a mentality of thumbing their collective noses at their former conference schools. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2007, 09:02:09 am
Salem, Matt is just yapping because he feels that everyone should be happy for these universities.  In essence, many of them left old conference foes hanging.   Many of these schools are wanna be ivy league schools that think they are better than everyone else at the D3 level.  MAC Freedom fans have a reason to be mad at Scranton as they had said they weren't going anywhere.  Don't let facts get in the way of being hard headed Matt.   The institutions in the "conference I will not name for fear of causing them to develop a complex" will not have that fighting mentality because they already have a mentality of thumbing their collective noses at their former conference schools. 



Have fun developing that rivalry with Misericordia. Just let us know when you are going to stop whining about the move..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 09:34:31 am
We are not whining personally I can careless about the land conference.  Its a matter of Matt thinking this conf. has a chip on its shoulder because people are saying landfill or landmine.  Im sorry but no one cares.  I doubt Catholic is going to go into the Marymount game thinking people on this forum are calling it landmine so we should play harder.  Sorry thats just the dumbest thing I have ever heard. 

wb1313 great comment about the Ivy league- I really think they believe they are better.  Reading some articles online about the conf switch and how its more "economical" for these schools to play in the conf.  Are you kidding me!  How is Catholic traveling to Drew more economical?  Or Scranton going to Catholic?  It seems to me it was about arrogance and tuition for each school to compete with others.  In the end Division III is about participation and academics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 10:03:54 am
1_ We are not whining personally I can careless about the land conference. 

2_ wb1313 great comment about the Ivy league- I really think they believe they are better. 

3_ It seems to me it was about arrogance and tuition for each school to compete with others.

Answers
1_ Then why do you guys continue coming on the LANDMARK board and take shots at the schools?
2_ They are.
3_ It was about breaking away from conference's where some schools lowered academeic standards to bring in better athletes. It's called "athletics first and ask questions later."
I can't be any more honest than that, especially on No's. 1 & 3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:26:53 am
1. Why not, its a board for thought and information

2. your not better then anyone, AT ALL.

3.  What colleges have lowered there standards?  Lets hear some facts
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 11:39:49 am
1. Why not, its a board for thought and information

2. your not better then anyone, AT ALL.

3.  What colleges have lowered there standards?  Lets hear some facts

1_ And all you Landmark-wannabe's share your thoughts primarily on this board. That's interesting.
2_ Sure we are. We're in the Landmark, your not. 'Nuff said.
3_ Not dumb enough to mention schools but if I did, I'd be sued for libel. Of course, truth is the best defense against libel.
I await the next losing argument you present.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 11:47:27 am
Whatever you say.  If someone gets a knowledgable argument I would like to hear it.  Cold_Case is obviously drunk or really has no clue what is going on D3 sports
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2007, 11:54:43 am
Whatever you say.  If someone gets a knowledgable argument I would like to hear it.  Cold_Case is obviously drunk or really has no clue what is going on D3 sports


You and others have heard the arguement numerous times. Fine, you don't accept the arguement, you don't understand why these teams created the Landmark, we get it.  However I guess you  do have to scream loud and clear that you don't accept it.


CJ re: your latin quote.....I don't know Latin. I must not be as bright as a Wilkes graduate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 11:55:11 am
Whatever you say.  If someone gets a knowledgable argument I would like to hear it.  Cold_Case is obviously drunk or really has no clue what is going on D3 sports

Yeah but cold_case is posting on the right board. You're not!!!
Although I can understand you wanting to rub elbows with the upper crust, that's cool.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on March 06, 2007, 12:08:57 pm
1. Why not, its a board for thought and information

2. your not better then anyone, AT ALL.

3.  What colleges have lowered there standards?  Lets hear some facts

Dude, every time you write you exhibit lower standards!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 12:11:16 pm
Upper Crust, why because you pay more tuition, come on.  I am a d3 fan but am CAC school.  I understand why it was formed believe me i get it.  I have no grip with most of the schools.  The conf. logistics are not what the d3 stands for.  

No school in the CAC has lowered there standards.  Its an academic first athletics second conf.  Just the way 3d is supposed to be.  They groom teachers and marketers.  That is what d3 about the STUDENT-athlete.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 12:11:58 pm
Cardinal guy relax, i am typing fast and can really careless about english grammer on the board
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 12:51:15 pm
Cardinal guy relax, i am typing fast and can really careless about english grammer on the board

Try this: "could care less."
It's could, not can. And it's care less in this instance. Also, using really in that sentence is not necessary. Try to cut down on wordiness.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 01:16:23 pm
thanks for the english lesson :)

Math was my strong point 720 SAT  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 01:20:26 pm
Math was my strong point 720 SAT  :)

That easily beats me. >:(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2007, 02:58:01 pm
No school in the CAC has lowered there standards.  Its an academic first athletics second conf.  Just the way 3d is supposed to be.  They groom teachers and marketers.  That is what d3 about the STUDENT-athlete.
Many would disagree with this statement. I don't have the time this time of year to get that far into this... but I would go out on a limb and point out the Habel controversy at SMC as maybe one example of lowering standards. Also, many argue the Salisbury Lacrosse program is athletes first and academics second - even though Salisbury does have some high standards.

At the same time, I would argue that maybe some of the schools are raising their standards. I don't want to downplay the CAC's standards, but I know some coaches at some schools leaving to form the Landmark have been frustrated at their respective school's admissions departments getting either tougher or raising standards that were already high. Some of the coaches have left, others have adapted. No matter, the schools that are forming the Landmark are doing so for more than basketball, lacrosse, soccer, whatever. They are doing so for the athletic programs as a whole and first and foremost for the universities/colleges themselves.

We shall see in the long run how this will work out. And I think the inclusion of Hood, Villa Julie and Wesley will raise the standards in the CAC, despite the loss of two tough liberal arts colleges in Catholic and Goucher.

By the way, hope Marymount isn't getting it's hopes up about playing CUA in the future... I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kitchenrat on March 06, 2007, 03:03:07 pm
3_ Not dumb enough to mention schools but if I did, I'd be sued for libel. Of course, truth is the best defense against libel.
I await the next losing argument you present.

CC You certainly don’t have to worry about libel in this case. First and foremost, for the libel statutes to apply it would have to be proved that you intend to cause financial damage to the schools in question by making your statement. Also, if a school was going to try and sue for defamatory statements made on an internet site it would not be for libel it would be for slander, because just like the broadcasted word, the net is covered under those statutes. So if you have dirt: Do tell.

Mind you I’m not weighing in on the whole Landmark debate but if we’re going to point out one another’s flaws and deficiencies of education… I thought I’d jump in too. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on March 06, 2007, 03:38:57 pm
Thank you kitchenrat

D-Mac are you saying schools from the LANDMARK never lower there standards for an athlete.  I find that hard to believe
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2007, 03:53:31 pm
Salem - I never said that. I said I know standards have gotten tighter and that has frustrated some coaches I know in the CAC.

I am also answer the question of situations in the CAC where standards MIGHT have been lowered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2007, 04:30:51 pm
Salem - I never said that. I said I know standards have gotten tighter and that has frustrated some coaches I know in the CAC.

I am also answer the question of situations in the CAC where standards MIGHT have been lowered.

No one is immune from this, even at the High School level rules are bend and broken for the sake of athletics.


I would say move on to the next topic, if we had one!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2007, 07:38:19 pm
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on March 06, 2007, 07:50:59 pm
for anyone intrested :::

Vermont's Chris Holm and Mike Lonergan Honored
March 4, 2007

BURLINGTON, Vt. – University of Vermont men’s basketball senior Chris Holm (Henderson, Nev.) was named to the United States Basketball Writers Association All- District I Team and the CollegeInsider.com America East Most Valuable Player, while head coach Mike Lonergan earned the web sites conference coach of the year honor. The top-seeded Catamounts (25-6, 15-1 America East) will host the America East Championship Finals on Saturday at 12:00pm against #2 Albany. The USBWA and CollegeInsider.com made the announcements on Tuesday.

Holm, an America East All-Conference First Team selection, is the only student-athlete from the league to be honored by the USBWA. The 6-foot-11 forward has been a huge presence inside for the Catamounts this season, as he is only one of 12 players in the nation to average a double-double. Holm is third on the team in scoring (10.7) and is second in the nation in rebounds, averaging 12.4 per contest. He also leads the country in offensive rebounds this season.

His 16 double-doubles is four times as many as the next closest total in the America East and he is also fourth in the conference in blocked shots. With 383 rebounds on the year, Holm has already smashed the UVM single season record with at least two games remaining. The old mark was set in 1960-61 by Benny Becton, who had 350.

Boston College’s Jared Dudley was named player of the year in the region, while Holm was joined on the District I first team by Jeff Adrien (Connecticut), Rashaun Freeman (Massachusetts), Aaron Gray (Pittsburgh), Herbert Hill (Providence), Stephane Lasme (Massachusetts), Javier Mojica (Central Connecticut), Curtis Sumpter (Villanova) and Frank Young (West Virginia). District I is made up of teams from Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Connecticut.

Lonergan, the America East Coach of the Year, becomes only the second coach in league history to guide his squad to the finals in each of his first two seasons at the school, joining Karl Fogel of Northeastern (1986-87). He is 38-23 in his first two seasons at the helm of the Catamounts. This year Vermont broke the school record for wins in the regular season with 23 and is currently tied for the all-time record of 25 with at least two contests still remaining.

Vermont was picked to finish third in the preseason coaches’ poll, but locked up the regular season championship outright at Boston University on February 22. Lonergan also helped the Catamount record their best winning percentage in conference history this season with a mark of 15-1 (.938). Vermont has won 13 straight overall and 20 of its last 21 heading into Saturday’s championship game.

Holm and the Catamounts will now face #2 Albany on Saturday at Patrick Gym in the conference title game. It will be a 12:00pm tip-off and televised on ESPN2 and streamed live on the web on www.americaeast.com. The game can be heard live on WEAV-AM 960, WXZO-FM 96.7, WCVR-FM 102.1 (Randolph), and on the internet at www.uvmathletics.com with the audio stream provided by sportsjuice.com.
 
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 06, 2007, 10:01:39 pm
Thank you kitchenrat

D-Mac are you saying schools from the LANDMARK never lower there standards for an athlete.  I find that hard to believe

This is getting kind of ridiculous Salem.  Have you been paying ANY attention to what's happened to the CAC recently?

Your argument is that CAC teams don't lower their standards for athletes...really?  Can you explain to me then why the supposedly HONORS college of Maryland accept a kid who 1) didn't even go to a legitimate high school, and 2). never actually met the minimum requirements for the SAT. 

Of course, all that is gravy compared to the fact that said "student" athlete was busted for dealing drugs 12 games into his tenure, but you get my point.  The following year, the same CAC school accepted another kid who was kicked out of D1 for posession with intent to sell.

If you don't call that lowering your standards, what do you call it?

As for Landmark Schools, part of the reason for this conference is so that these schools don't have to lower their students to be competitive.  I can't speak for any other institution, but I can give you an idea as to what its like for Catholic University.  Of last year's senior class, Shane Sowden was named male student athlete of the year at the University, and graudated with a GPA I believe in the 3.8 range.  His counterpart big man, Matt Spirenberg, is currently persuing an advanced degree at the University.

As far as next year's class, its already public knowledge that one of CUA's top recruits has a 1310 SAT score.  Now, is every kid who plays basketball at Catholic a brainiac? Surely not.  CUA, like many other institutions, looks for well rounded kids, and that includes athletics.  Perhaps that might mean a little bit lower GPA or SAT score than normal, which is compensated by leadership shown in other areas.

But since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 

One of the key things to look at too is turnover.   Most of the players that you see sitting on the bench at CUA are getting honored at senior night four years later.  At quite a few other CAC schools, I've seen numerous players disappear, never to be heard from again.  Mike Lonergan graduated 100% of his players, and that tradition continues.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 06, 2007, 10:23:57 pm
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.

If what you say is true, the MAC should change it's name to the RDC: Revolving Door Conference, or the LOL: Left Out League.

On a lighter side, did anyone watch the Sun Belt final between North Texas and Arkansas St.?
Arkansas football coach Houston Nutt's brother was the Arkansas St. head coach. His name: Dickie Nutt. I'm not kidding. 8)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on March 07, 2007, 07:29:39 am
Cardinal guy relax, i am typing fast and can really careless about english grammer on the board

The irony is rich.

[smacks head]
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2007, 08:10:18 am
Quote
But since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 


Devil's advocate, here.

By what social scientist's metric are you saying that the athletes involved are dramatically different from the student body?

Two standard deviations on any standardized testing?

Are you eliminating those student-athletes who don't have the narrow definition of intelligence that your using?  (See Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (http://www.thomasarmstrong.com/multiple_intelligences.htm).)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 09:06:14 am
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.

Pat, what "more moves" do you anticipate?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 09:47:00 am
Quote
But since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 


Devil's advocate, here.

By what social scientist's metric are you saying that the athletes involved are dramatically different from the student body?

Two standard deviations on any standardized testing?

Are you eliminating those student-athletes who don't have the narrow definition of intelligence that your using?  (See Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (http://www.thomasarmstrong.com/multiple_intelligences.htm).)



Yikes, who invited the square? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 09:58:22 am
Yikes, who invited the square? ;D

Yawn.....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2007, 10:16:29 am
Quote
But since I know the CUA program and the kids that have gone through it so well, I can honestly tell you that the basketball team accurately reflects the caliber of students at the University as a whole.   My hope is that the Landmark Conference will feature schools that are the same way--athletes that are not dramatically different that the student body as a whole in terms of qualifications. 


Devil's advocate, here.

By what social scientist's metric are you saying that the athletes involved are dramatically different from the student body?

Two standard deviations on any standardized testing?

Are you eliminating those student-athletes who don't have the narrow definition of intelligence that your using?  (See Howard Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (http://www.thomasarmstrong.com/multiple_intelligences.htm).)



Yikes, who invited the square? ;D
"Square?"   :o

I thought that was a "diversity" question!  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2007, 10:20:31 am
Next topic -- are the dominos done falling in the Mid-Atlantic? Seems likely there are more moves to be made, as more schools may be trying to get out of the MAC and the league keeps filling from the PAC.


Pat,


Do you plan on keeping your sources for the Miseri and Alvernia invite to the MAC confidential?

We know for a fact that Lycoming is moving to the MAC-Commonwealth.  Rumors of Kings and Wilkes looking elsewhere....that leaves Desales, Del Val, and Fdu-Florham the only teams firmly in the MAC-Freedom.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 11:22:08 am
We know for a fact that Lycoming is moving to the MAC-Commonwealth.  Rumors of Kings and Wilkes looking elsewhere....that leaves Desales, Del Val, and Fdu-Florham the only teams firmly in the MAC-Freedom.

From what I've gathered, the MAC may have the look of the PAC in the next two years.
I hear Elizabethtown may be leaving for the CAC and Messiah wants out.
Lyco is presently headed to the Commonwealth but it's a good bet it will only be for one year. They already compete in the Empire 8 in football and are highly interested in joining that conference in all sports.
King's has scheduled football games this coming fall with two Empire 8 schools and they have a solid relationship with a third school, Alfred. Keep that possible move for all sports in mind after next year.
Wilkes, and this is a long shot, could find themselves in the NJAC. Cortland State plays football in that league so Wilkes bolting is a slight possibility.
On a sad note, nobody is beating down the doors at Lebanon Valley and with good reason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 11:46:28 am
We know for a fact that Lycoming is moving to the MAC-Commonwealth.  Rumors of Kings and Wilkes looking elsewhere....that leaves Desales, Del Val, and Fdu-Florham the only teams firmly in the MAC-Freedom.


Lyco is presently headed to the Commonwealth but it's a good bet it will only be for one year. They already compete in the Empire 8 in football and are highly interested in joining that conference in all sports.

{Say what? Susquehanna is going to the Liberty for football.}

On a sad note, nobody is beating down the doors at Lebanon Valley and with good reason.

{If it's not too much trouble, kindly explain your comment above ....}
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 11:53:23 am
WT,
I'd be more than happy to answer your question in regards to my post as soon as you answer my repeated post to you from a couple days ago.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 11:58:19 am
WT,
I'd be more than happy to answer your question in regards to my post as soon as you answer my repeated post to you from a couple days ago.

Alright, here goes: I'm not aware that E-town has issues with any other venue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 01:27:21 pm
Alright, here goes: I'm not aware that E-town has issues with any other venue.[/b]

Cool. About my post regarding LV, I did that in hopes of you asking me why? Then I could ask you for a trade-off. If LV is happy in the MAC, that's fine. But if they want out, then I hope they find a suitable conference.
Hey, I'm a Vojko Pesa fan. Remember that. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on March 07, 2007, 02:20:26 pm
Hey, I'm a Vojko Pesa fan. Remember that. ;)

"Vojko Pesa"  ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 07, 2007, 02:28:32 pm
For what it is worth, from the MAC Freedom Board

Warren "Peace" Thompson, I challenge anyone on this Freedom board to match my knowledge regarding the MAC.
Remember Vojko Pesa? I believe that's how you write his name.

apparently he is McMaster, class of '82
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 03:00:51 pm
The class sounds right but the last name doesn't ring a bell. I have a 1978-79 LV roster with Scott Mailen on it and there is a kid named Vojko Pesa, a 6-8 center.
McMaster?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 07, 2007, 03:07:17 pm
McMaster U says he is a "lost" men's basketball alum, class of '82

http://www.athrec.mcmaster.ca/alumni/lost/mbball_lost_alumni.htm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2007, 06:51:21 pm
Pesa was a freshman on the game program I have from 1978-79. Obviously he transferred.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2007, 05:38:22 pm
Alvernia/MISERI to the MAC FREEDOM to replace Scranton..



http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18076204&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6


Miseri replaces Scranton as a local rival to Wilkes/Kings
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on May 02, 2007, 03:26:01 pm
Atlantic or Mid-Atlantic????????!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2007, 05:31:59 pm
We don't know yet. We'll move the board if the NCAA decides to put it in the Atlantic for MBB.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on May 30, 2007, 12:27:03 am
How are everyones recruiting classes looking for this upcoming season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on June 04, 2007, 11:57:52 pm
Royals' bball schedule is up on Scranton web site - no Kings/Wilkes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 08, 2007, 02:01:45 pm
How are everyones recruiting classes looking for this upcoming season?


Okay since this board is dead and we have some recruiting news, how about a little discussion?


U of S Recruits as of 06/08/07

PG-Zach Ashworth, 6-2, 186  Looks like a point who can score with 18.5 ppg as a senior at CB West  (think loftus, arnold, etc)

F-Ivan Bogovich   6-5, 205 Averaged 13.3 points and 13.1 rebounds per game, and had 28 in one game as a Senior.  Could bring some toughness to the Royals for next season.


Should be more to follow in the coming weeks.....


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 08, 2007, 06:17:04 pm
sounds like 2 good players for Scranton

I believe I heard Catholic has 2 6'8 kids coming in, a 6'5 kid from up near philly, and another 6'4/5 wing from. I won't claim to be an insider here so maybe some of the Catholic guys could shed some light on these players?

I'd be interested to know who Susquehanna brought in after loosing noboday and whether or not Robinson is going to be eligible to play this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 08, 2007, 09:36:00 pm
bballfan10, welcome to the board. Spread the word around campus -- we need more people from your area.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 21, 2007, 10:37:08 am
Noticed the league Web site is available:

http://www.landmarkconference.org
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on July 15, 2007, 06:12:07 pm
90 days and counting ..till the start of a whole new ballgame .. new faces .. new places...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on July 16, 2007, 01:04:31 am
Big Dog, I hear ya.  Is it November yet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 17, 2007, 12:01:06 pm
How are everyones recruiting classes looking for this upcoming season?


Okay since this board is dead and we have some recruiting news, how about a little discussion?


U of S Recruits as of 06/08/07

PG-Zach Ashworth, 6-2, 186  Looks like a point who can score with 18.5 ppg as a senior at CB West  (think loftus, arnold, etc)

F-Ivan Bogovich   6-5, 205 Averaged 13.3 points and 13.1 rebounds per game, and had 28 in one game as a Senior.  Could bring some toughness to the Royals for next season.


Should be more to follow in the coming weeks.....



The coming weeks yield the rest of the class....

SG/F Luke Hawk  6'4 190. Averaged 23 a game as a senior, second all time leading scorer at his high school. Brother of current royal Paul Hawk.

PG Jonathan Bracken 6'0 175...from Jacksonville, Fl...averaged 8 points, 3.6 assits, 1.7 steals.

G RJ Wallace...6'2 180  averaged 16 pts , 4 assists.

C- Andrew Wynne 6'7 215 ...reserve from Mcquaid Jesuit. Average 4 and 4...

Big class this year.....plenty o'guards



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on July 26, 2007, 10:10:29 am
Good thing Scranton is getting all of those recruits.  One of them might need to replace James Powell.  I'm not really sure how long it will take him to recover from his, ummm, injury.

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=18619864&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=590572&rfi=8

Y'know, you heckle Scranton for a decade, nothing.  The moment they go to the Landmark Conference, a guy John-Bobbitts himself.  UNREAL.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ycpfinal4 on August 16, 2007, 11:12:41 pm
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on August 30, 2007, 06:15:47 pm
45 days and counting till NCAA Official Tip Off.. CUA has new floor  this year..or at least new paint job ...wonder how the incoming frosh will measure up in the new conf ?? i understand a couple big men are coming in ..gonna be hard to replace  seniors from last season  but as in the past  Coach Howes seems to get the job done ...only time will will tell..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 07:44:45 pm
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on August 31, 2007, 12:26:38 pm
Pat.. that's what i meant.. they strpped it down , replaced a few dead spots and a whole new paint job and look.. you can see it on the Athletics Webb Site .. sidelines and baseline are now black instead of red and a new cardinal at ceneter court.. and i heard word to that now baseball and foot ball can not practice on the wood court .. but we shall see ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on September 04, 2007, 03:09:00 pm
Coach Howes has gotten the job done since he has taken over, but this will be the first year that he doesn't have Lonergan recruited players to rely on.
And he definitely relied on those guys last year. There are only 3 returners, assuming they all make it back, who averaged more than 10 minutes a game last season. His team will be very young as well as inexperienced. The couple of big men who are coming in better be strong contributors, because there isn't a whole lot coming back from last year's team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on September 16, 2007, 10:50:02 pm
Anyone with any preditions on how the first season of the new conference will go? Who will be the top teams, dark horses, and lower-level teams?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on September 16, 2007, 10:52:04 pm
Also, will Powell be playing this year for Scranton?  Anyone know WHY he tried to do that to himself?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on September 18, 2007, 03:24:23 pm
I agree, Catholic should not be as good as the past few "howes" teams and not nearly as good as the "Lonergan" teams from the 90's and the teams up untill he departed. Lonergan was a brilliant recruiter. I have heard catholic has some good recruits this year. Very optimistic for this season though.


Go Cards!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 04, 2007, 11:35:49 am
Also, will Powell be playing this year for Scranton?  Anyone know WHY he tried to do that to himself?


Scranton's roster is up and Powell is not on it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on October 09, 2007, 02:23:27 pm
Quote
Also, will Powell be playing this year for Scranton?  Anyone know WHY he tried to do that to himself?

Scranton's roster is up and Powell is not on it.


Since we are all coming together for the first time here in the Landmark, WHAT did Powell try to do to himself?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on October 15, 2007, 03:24:04 pm
As my name suggests I am not from the area but I am a big DIII basketball fan and was thinking it'd be nice to attend some games in the area.

I am attempting to figure out what conference Catholic U. is actually in. D3hoops lists them in the Capital Athletic Conference. Meanwhile, CUA's website lists the ODAC (just football I believe) and the Landmark Conference. However, there is also a link to the ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference). So I am thoroughly confused. Can anyone explain all of this to me? Is Landmark a new conference?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 03:29:00 pm
The Landmark is a new conference and when D3Scoreboard/Presto provides us with the ability to post our schedules we will update schools with their 2007-08 affiliations.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on October 15, 2007, 03:39:50 pm
The Landmark is a new conference and when D3Scoreboard/Presto provides us with the ability to post our schedules we will update schools with their 2007-08 affiliations.

Great, thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on October 31, 2007, 08:52:12 pm
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.

That's not my recollection. I was there in '92 and I think it was still the original floor with that funky material. The new one wasn't until '94 or '95. I think - could easily be wrong.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on October 31, 2007, 08:53:48 pm
The Landmark is a new conference and when D3Scoreboard/Presto provides us with the ability to post our schedules we will update schools with their 2007-08 affiliations.

Great, thanks for the information.

DCHN - I'll be living in DC this spring (directing the honors program) and plan to regularly attend CUA games. We'll have to drive up there together.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 09:27:25 pm
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.

That's not my recollection. I was there in '92 and I think it was still the original floor with that funky material. The new one wasn't until '94 or '95. I think - could easily be wrong.

Yeah, no, it was installed between my sophomore and junior years, the summer of 1992. 100% confident of this.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: muchacho on November 05, 2007, 12:08:14 pm
Catholic has played preseason games against American in the past, but their schedule has no mention of any steps up against DI or DII competition before the season starts. Anybody know if there are any of those games this season?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on November 07, 2007, 06:37:12 pm
The floor was installed in the summer of 1992, I believe. It could use some resurfacing. Too many baseball clinics held on it, I think.

That's not my recollection. I was there in '92 and I think it was still the original floor with that funky material. The new one wasn't until '94 or '95. I think - could easily be wrong.

Yeah, no, it was installed between my sophomore and junior years, the summer of 1992. 100% confident of this.

I'm happily corrected. I do seem to remember playing on the wood floor, so that would make sense I guess.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: diplomaniac1 on November 08, 2007, 07:03:45 pm

Folks -

I am normally a poster in the Centennial Conference room. However, I found this link on the Conference website to an article in The Baltimore Sun containing pre-season previews more than just the Maryland members of the Centennial Conference. So, I am also posting it and sharing in the rooms of several other conferences: AMCC, CAC, and Landmark.

The link follows below:

http://http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bal-sp.smallcaps06nov06,0,2462025.story?page=2

Enjoy! Bring on the season. Good luck to all teams. Regards to all.

Eric

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2007, 04:14:24 pm
Alright, Sox won the World Series, Pats are rolling, and I guess its time for me to be back posting about basketball.

I'm sure everyone missed me.  Thanks, you're too kind.

Anyway, its quite a different universe this year, isn't it?  New conference, lots of new players.  Looking forward to it.

No big D1 exhibitions for the Cards this year.  I think it makes sense--this is a YOUNG, YOUNG team and they'll need every second to learn how to play together and gel.

If ever there is to be a rebuilding year for Catholic, this is yet.  Haven't seen one since I've been around (almost 10 years ago...wow, I'm old).  But this is what happens when a team loses its coach and doesn't hire one for many months.  But no matter, I'm excited about the talent level on the Cardinals, its just that its concentrated among young players so expectations need to be realistic.

Long term, I think this team is going to be very, very good---able to live up to the tradition of excellence that Catholic has established.  This year? No idea, lets play the games and see.

I've seen the new floor and it looks awesome.  Much-needed update to the Cardinals logo is carried out on the floor.  Fitting for a new era of basketball.

Have to say, not really missing the CAC scene.  I think Landmark has the potential to be just as good, and eventually better than the CAC was and should make things a more level playing field outside of basketball.   You'd have to think that CUA-Scranton will be the 'marquee' rivalry in the league to start out with, but over time others will develop I'm sure.  Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival, but...that's what success does.

So here's to a good season.  And welcome back, Pat.  Now we're practically neighbors up the Toll Road (and Greenway for me).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2007, 07:58:53 pm
Long way to DuFour.  :-\
Title: Preseason All-Americans
Post by: bballfan112 on November 12, 2007, 12:49:56 pm
Hard to believe that no preseason all-americans were chosen from the Landmark Conference. I know Scranton returns two first-team all-league players in Bicknell and Arnold, and Juniata does too with Brian Cannon.

Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Preseason All-Americans
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2007, 02:26:02 pm
Hard to believe that no preseason all-americans were chosen from the Landmark Conference. I know Scranton returns two first-team all-league players in Bicknell and Arnold, and Juniata does too with Brian Cannon.

Any thoughts on this?

There are 42 conferences and 25 preseason All-American slots.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on November 12, 2007, 06:02:20 pm
Pat,
Good Point! I just wondered what people thought and if there's any worthy candidates in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2007, 10:26:08 pm
There are certainly some good players in the Landmark... but I would have a hard time arguing a few them over those already selected.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cardinal3007 on November 13, 2007, 01:00:36 am
New to the board and really looking forward to a great season of CUA hoops good luck to all the new schools in the conference Catholics bigs will surprise this year...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on November 13, 2007, 01:09:11 pm
Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival,

I guess I missed that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2007, 07:56:07 pm
Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival,

I guess I missed that.
I will have to admit, I don't know if CUA was everyone's top rival. Sure... Goucher had its years, but when I arrived, and even to this day, YCP and GOU was a good rivalry. And Marymount always thought CUA was a rival, but I don't think it was felt the other way around. Salisbury, St. Mary's, and Gallaudet... rivals of CUA?

Sorry Matt, not all the teams!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 13, 2007, 09:11:29 pm
Ask Gandolf, Bald... ;D

No, D-Mac, obviously not every year.  But even you would have to admit that Catholic pretty much got everybody's best shot year in, year out, and a win against Catholic was a big deal for pretty much every other team in the conference.  Ask the Gally guys who did beat CUA last year if that was a big deal for them.  I know it was, they told me.

From the CUA side, I don't know that there was a particularly big rival--probably whoever was at the top of the conference at the top--Mary Wash for a while, plus you had bad blood between Lonergan and Wood.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2007, 10:43:06 am
Any Royal fans follow the team to the Landmark, or are they still clinging to the Freedom Board?


Season starts Friday..... Where is everyone?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 14, 2007, 08:56:10 pm
  I'll be here; guess Saratoga will check in also along with dmac from goucher and matt from catholic; don't know if juniata,moravian, or susque had any followers on this site.
  I plan to see the men's and women's games against Messiah in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 14, 2007, 09:07:19 pm
Hopefully we can gradually get people from every school checking in now and then.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cacfan2 on November 14, 2007, 10:33:53 pm
No big D1 exhibitions for the Cards this year.  I think it makes sense--this is a YOUNG, YOUNG team and they'll need every second to learn how to play together and gel.

If ever there is to be a rebuilding year for Catholic, this is yet.  Haven't seen one since I've been around (almost 10 years ago...wow, I'm old).  But this is what happens when a team loses its coach and doesn't hire one for many months.  But no matter, I'm excited about the talent level on the Cardinals, its just that its concentrated among young players so expectations need to be realistic.

Long term, I think this team is going to be very, very good---able to live up to the tradition of excellence that Catholic has established.  This year? No idea, lets play the games and see.


Also, Howes has gone through several complete coaching staff changes.  That has to be difficult.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: donnaoc on November 15, 2007, 11:09:55 am
I can't wait for the season to begin....go Scranton!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 15, 2007, 05:41:28 pm
Word has it that the Royals have been picked as the team to beat this season in the Landmark. That's a nice compliment on paper...the real test, as always, gets accomplised each night on the court. From what I saw of Susquehanna last year...they'll be very tough as will Catholic...especially at home. I'm in D.C. through Sunday, so if Catholic is home on Sat. maybe I'll be able to get over there & catch some early season action. Best of luck to all the Landmark teams...this is already an excellent conference that is only going to get better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 15, 2007, 10:44:55 pm
Word has it that the Royals have been picked as the team to beat this season in the Landmark. That's a nice compliment on paper...the real test, as always, gets accomplised each night on the court. From what I saw of Susquehanna last year...they'll be very tough as will Catholic...especially at home. I'm in D.C. through Sunday, so if Catholic is home on Sat. maybe I'll be able to get over there & catch some early season action. Best of luck to all the Landmark teams...this is already an excellent conference that is only going to get better.

Catholic's at Widener for a tournament this season.  First home game is Tuesday against Haverford.

Scranton certainly is the team to beat.  Like I said, this is the year that CUA has to pay for the transition between Mike Lonergan and Steve Howes.  After Mike left, there was a gap of several months in which CUA had no coach, and as result, the recruiting class went elsewhere.  This year's Cardinal's have no seniors.  I think they're going to be a really good team, but I can't tell you exactly when and I hope that people have reasonable expectations for this particular season.  For the first time in a long while, though, Catholic starts out as something of an underdog.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 16, 2007, 11:07:44 pm
Catholic starts the season off with a win against Delaware Vallley, 64-60. 

The Cardinals will face Widener (defeated Williamson Trade 67-64)  in the championship game of the Oki Data Classic tomorrow afternoon.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 16, 2007, 11:39:14 pm
   Scranton beats Alvernia 80-73 @ Alvernia with better shooting and rebounding. Royals' turnovers on the dribble brought Alvernia back from 30-11 deficit to a 55-50 lead before numerous fouls put Scranton on the line(22-25) while Alvernia missed 6-7 final shots.
   The game was videostreamed over the internet and Scranton will play Walsh tomorrow @ 3 for the championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2007, 12:21:07 am
Susquehanna beats Kean in OT, 87-80 in the first round of their own tourney. They face Mary Washington tomorrow at 3.

http://www.susqu.edu/sports/teams/MBasketball/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 17, 2007, 12:40:17 am
With the opening round win tonight, the Royals will play Walsh Univ. for the championship tomorrow. This will be a serious test early on for Scranton as they will be playing an  NAIA team. These schools are generally noted for their love of all things athletic & diminished emphasis on anything academic. With two NAIA schools in this tourney...Alvernia must be reliving their former life as a member. Landmark 1/ MAC Freedom/PAC/NAIA-0.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2007, 06:03:48 pm
Susquehanna wins the Pepsi/Weis Markets Tip-Off Tourney with an 86-62 victory over Mary Washington.

Joel Patch and Kevin Cuff were named to the All-Tournament Team and Josh Robinson was MVP.

http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/teams/MBasketball/default.htm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2007, 09:19:42 am
With the opening round win tonight, the Royals will play Walsh Univ. for the championship tomorrow. This will be a serious test early on for Scranton as they will be playing an  NAIA team. These schools are generally noted for their love of all things athletic & diminished emphasis on anything academic. With two NAIA schools in this tourney...Alvernia must be reliving their former life as a member. Landmark 1/ MAC Freedom/PAC/NAIA-0.

First weekend in the books and Scranton wins Alvernia's Tip-Off Tourny by beating Alvernia and Walsh by the indentical scores of 80-73. Very impressed with Saturday's victory of NAIA powerhouse Walsh. As Saratoga said, this was a serious early test for the Royals. Walsh won the NAIA tourny in 2005 and features a 7'0 and 6'10 frontcourt. Great efforts from the whole team , especially Bicknell (MVP) and Arnold (all-tourny team).

Tuesday the Royals host future MAC-Freedom team, Miseri at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on November 20, 2007, 12:33:31 pm
Tuesday the Royals host future MAC-Freedom team, Miseri at the Long Center.

Freedom-bound Miseri? This is the Landmark Board. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2007, 01:45:04 pm
Hey... busy weekend of basketball and I am at the Provident Pride of Maryland Tournament where Goucher is playing.

If anyone is curious about what is happening and can't make the game, I am blogging court-side on the Daily Dose.
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2007/11/24/court-side-at-the-provident-pride-tournament/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 25, 2007, 12:02:36 pm
Catholic defeated Haverford 66-62 on Tuesday, and Mount Union 80-74 yesterday.  They'll be play Case Western today at 4.

I saw the Cards play on Tuesday.  They're missing some key guys due to injuries at the moment, and Nick Oliverio, who will be their go to guard, is just now getting in the swing of things since he also plays football (he had 19 yesterday), so its a little tough to tell exactly what Catholic will look like once conference play starts.

However, I'll give them credit for hanging in there--in both wins they were down by 8-10 points deep in the second half and pulled it out.  In the Haverford game, Stolzenthaler showed why he's a captain and made some big plays.

I was also impressed with how far Jones has come--he moves very well for a big guy and plays hard.  DJ Johnston stood out amongst all the freshman.

Tough game for Catholic today, but this is has been a good learning experience for a young team.  They've really got a ton of talent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on November 25, 2007, 04:59:48 pm
Any score yet on the CUA - Case Western game ??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 25, 2007, 09:57:43 pm
Yeah, Catholic lost 74-70.

They were led by Johnston's 16.  Looks like they had a tough day from the field, but obviously held it pretty close anyway.

Frankly, that's a pretty good showing considering where they are at. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2007, 11:42:28 pm
Goucher did not play well this week. They are certainly young and have lots of inexperience on the team, but they blew late game leads in three straight games in the Provident Pride tourney. Not sure how to solve some of their problems, but there are a few players I wouldn't mind sitting down and asking if they understand the game of basketball from a thinking-mans point of view - one of which has been on the program for a few years.

Interestingly enough, Goucher tied an NCAA record for playing in three consecutive overtime games... and while the NCAA record book for Division III Basketball shows that Goucher is the first to lose all three of those OT games, it turns out they share that "honor" with Mass. College who also played in and lost three straight OT games at this point last year!
Title: Scranton
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 26, 2007, 10:49:14 am
Scranton improves their record to 4-0 with a 70-67 victory over Ramapo (NJAC Pre-Season #1).


It appears Danzig has settled into an 8 man rotation....

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 26, 2007, 03:06:38 pm
Susquehanna's Josh Robinson made the All-Tournament Team at the Radisson/Carnegie Mellon Tournament and is this week's Landmark Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Week: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/releases/Winter07-08/landmark1126.htm

D-mac, that's amazing about Goucher. I hope they have a nice break before the next game so they can catch their breaths!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 29, 2007, 09:49:43 am
Saratoga, Ronk, or anyone else willing to respond:


Time to start talking about expectations. The Royals are 4-1 after giving back an 11 point lead with 7 minutes to play to Elizabethtown. However, they have already beaten quality opponents like Ramapo (on the road) and Walsh.


I think that this team is just as good as the Sweet Sixteen team from a few years ago. ( In fact this team may be a bit deeper.) I would expect from those around the program that anything short of winning the Landmark and playing a competitive NCAA tourny game ( ie not getting blown out by William Patterson) would be a dissapointment. Thoughts? Is this too lofty a goal?


On a side note....Hawk only played 7 minutes...Is he hurt?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 29, 2007, 04:35:07 pm
 NEPAFAN,
     I've been attending the women's NCAA games in recent years and have  seen the men only on video(Alvernia this year, Kings last year), although I listen to all their games over the internet.  plan to see them Wed. @ Messiah, so I'll have a better idea then.
    That said, the sweet16 group(ODonnell,Elphick,Rogan,Loftus,etc.) was pretty tough mentally, which you need to advance in tourney competition. They beat a more talented team in Ursinus. with the help of the home court
   Any of the 5 games(3-road,1-neutral,1-home) this year could have been lost/won so it's to their credit that they've won 4. Losing the defensive stopper(Powell) will hurt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 29, 2007, 08:55:43 pm
NEPAFAN: I think the jury will be deliberating on the future fate of the Royals for a bit longer. Regardless of the closeness of last nights game with E-town, each & every loss in the Region could be the dagger that does them in. With no automatic berth for the Landmark...even the playoff winner has to rest their fate with the NCAA Selection Committee...and we all know those decisions regarding Pool B bids can leave even the bravest of the brave scratching their heads in disbelief. That's why blowing a double-didget lead with about 6 minutes to play is not the best signal to send. Scranton has had a tendency of not putting teams away when they are all but gift wrapped...and unfortunately for Royal fans, last night is just another example. The other rather bizarre tendency they've exhibited through recent years is simply not being ready to play from the tip. They fall behind by large amounts...scratch & claw their way back in the game & then go about 7 straight trips down the court without getting a shot off...turning it over via bad passes, walks, offensive fouls, you name it & end up losing by 3 or 4. This is a veteran team & they need to do a far better job protecting leads & being ready to play...for 40 minutes or however long it takes. Until they consistantly play like they are truly on a mission...the jury is out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 30, 2007, 10:43:44 pm
Catholic loses to Piedmont 92-88 at NC Weslyan tonight.

I wasn't there, but I'm a little suspicious on this one...Catholic outshot Piedmont--a blazing 56% for the night--and outrebounded Piedmont 40-24.

The difference was free throws...Piedmont had THIRTY attempts, Catholic NINE. 

Now, its obviously possible that Piedmont took the ball to the hoop a lot more, BUT...based on what I've seen so far, I'm dubious.

The vast majority of Catholic's points came from the bigs inside.  Its hard for me to believe they virtually never got fouled.  Some of these guys don't even have a jump shot, yet...nothing.

Odd.  I could understand that kind of discrepancy if Catholic was airmailing stuff all night, but that's obviously not what they were doing...they were playing and scoring in the paint.  And magically, apparently not getting fouled.  Like, ever.

Catholic plays Maine-Presque Island tomorrow.

Catholic's lost twice by 4 points...they're starting three freshman and 2 other freshman got double digit minutes tonight.  These guys will improve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2007, 11:57:22 pm
Matt... for starters... it is Maine-Presque Isle... not Island. I assure you... they are NOT located on or near an island up there, though it may feel like it. Presque Isle is located nearly as far north in Maine as you can get. I should know, I've been there on several occasions.

Secondly... update from Goucher. They set an NCAA Division III and tied the all-time NCAA record with their fourth-consecutive overtime game. Yes... they played Greensboro - who just beat #3 Guilford on Wednesday - to overtime. Actually... it was double-overtime.

However, that isn't the real story. It was the fact the Gophers came from 23 points down to force that overtime. I have seen a lot of things, but in the past week I have witnessed five overtime games in nine contests... including three of Goucher's four OT games. But this game was on a different level.

At half time, I didn't think Goucher had a chance. Greensboro is a very good team. They are very quick - actually running Goucher's team rampid... something many people who know Goucher is not something you can do. Whether Goucher is good or bad... they tend to be the team who runs and is quick. Greensboro was simply faster, more athletic, bigger, and shot a heck of a lot better.

But in the second half, something changed and Goucher went on a tear! They also hit some timely and unreal three-pointers and other big shots time after time late in the game to force OT... even answering Greensboro's big shots as if Goucher was actually the team that should have been the favorite from the beginning.

In the end... free throws were the reason Greensboro won... and Goucher lost. Oh, and I can't remember how many fouls were called... but at one point Greensboro only had three in the 2nd half as it was coming to an end. And neither team shot the double-bonus until Greensboro got that chance... in the 2nd OT!

So Goucher sets a record... unfortunetly (sp?) they have lost all four of those OT games. This is going to be a very good squad down the road!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2007, 12:01:05 am
Oh... thought you might like reading the game story (http://"http://athletics.goucher.edu/sports/mbkb/2007-08/news/113007gboro") from Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2007, 09:49:19 pm
Yes, I've been up almost that far, I just slipped on the name.  I have some relatives in Maine and in Canada.

In any event, Isle means Island, its a curious name either way unless you're French-Canadian, which half of me is...presque isle means, I believe penninsula, or something like that, which is where the town got its name, I think.   If I'm completely wrong on that, sorry, Mainers...

Whatever the case, their basketball team is not very good.  Catholic killed them, 80-38, shooting 66% in the second half after a slow start.   Freshman Jason Banzhof continued to impress, scoring 18.  13 (!!!) players scored for Catholic--Coach Howes got all his kids some time today.

Up next for Catholic....GOUCHER! Just like old times.  Wed. night at 7:30, the first Landmark Conference game for both teams.

Are you coming done to see history being made, D-Mac?  I'm going to try to get there if I don't have to work late.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 01, 2007, 11:40:17 pm
Matt... I am seriously thinking about it. To be honest, it depends on when a funeral for a former co-worker is. I would love to be there, but a Wednesday doesn't make it easier.

Pat - want to call the game for old-times sake, and for history :)! LOL!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2007, 08:51:08 am
Well, I hope you can make it.   You won't really recognize things--new floor (which looks AWESOME by the way) and, well, pretty much a whole new team!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 02, 2007, 09:55:54 am
Scranton gets thumped in their Landmark HOME opener by a very impressive (at least for this game) Moravian team. The Royals were beaten in every phase of the game...especially on defense. They outhustled, out shot, out rebounded & out ran the Royals into submission. The game, especially in the second half, was not as close as the final score indicates. The Royals were never able to get into a flow offensively & on the defensive end, they were just plain bad. Moravian passed the ball with a precision that would make an Indiana high school coach proud as they time & again caught Scranton flat footed with their passes around the perimiter that found teammates wide, real wide, & very very wide open. So wide open in fact that the Greyhounds shot a blistering 69% from the field in the first half & an incredable 55% from 3 point land. Two straight losses in the Region & a Swiss cheese defense...the Royals have quite a bit of work ahead of them if they have any asperations of playing beyond the last game on the regular season schedule. Some bright spots for the Royals...the all-around play of freshman Zach Ashworth & the the hustle off the bench of Brendan Fuller. Some real good things are still possible for the Royals...but, the defensive intensity has to improve significantly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2007, 01:55:24 pm
From the ScrantonTimes

For as well as Moravian shot the ball, however, Scranton was sluggish on defense. The Greyhounds repeatedly were able to beat the Royals in transition, often leading to easy layups.

This from a Scranton team that has ranked in the top 20 in scoring defense in NCAA Division III each of the last three seasons.

“That is a concern, especially when you work on it all the time,” Royals coach Carl Danzig said. “I thought we were well-prepared; we had them down pat. Basically, it comes down to effort. I don’t think our effort was there.”


Hopefully they got it out of their system. Where is the inside game? Scranton was the bigger team ...a couple of 6'8s and 6'6 ...to the Hounds 6'3 and 6'5 inside players....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2007, 09:02:31 pm
Sorry, can't make it. Wish it were Tuesday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 02, 2007, 09:47:04 pm
Wow.

This is going to be a very interesting year.

I think Catholic will definitely compete, particularly in the second half of the season when they've got their rotations figured out and the freshman get their legs.  They should have the talent to play with anybody.

Perhaps Goucher can avoid overtime...for once!  Of course, I'm hoping the Gophers will be on the losing end of regulation, but frankly, for a while, anyway, I think pretty much every Cardinal game is going to be close.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2007, 10:16:06 pm
Matt... something to take into consideration about the Gophers that you haven't witnessed in YEARS. Goucher has a young squad who in most of the games I have seen this year, won't quit.

They came from 23 down on Greensboro... who is head and shoulders better than most teams I have seen in the Mid-Atlantic. Their problem right now is finding what group of guys plays best with one another and who is best off the bench, etc. They also have their best point-guard, in terms of experience, on the bench with a stubburd ankle injury.

I am not saying Goucher is going to win the conference, but I am saying that I wouldn't take this team lightly this year. They are going to win more than their fair share... as long as they don't go to overtime!

Speaking of that, Matt, you sure you want me at the game. Remember, five of the last nine games I have been at... have reached OT.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2007, 10:23:11 pm
Doesn't matter much being head and shoulders ahead of the Mid-Atlantic.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 05, 2007, 05:48:54 pm
Susquehanna's Frank Marcinek is going for his 250th career win tomorrow night against Misericordia. Where can I find all-time numbers on how many coaches have hit this mark? I checked D3Hoops' "Milestones" section but that lists year-by-year who hit what.  Pat? Dave? We've been googling around and not having much luck.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2007, 09:58:38 pm
Well, I wasn't able to make tonight's game at the DuFour Center... but I see the Gophers started their Landmark experience with a big win over a rival - Catholic.

I also see that Goucher didn't need to OT to do it - phew! Though, I suspect, if I had gone to the game... I bet the game would have headed into overtime... so all those at DuFour should thank me. Heck, I am thanking myself :).

TheGrove - good question. I actually think I have the answer, but I need to restart my computer to get it (long answer). Be back!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2007, 10:28:03 pm
TheGrove - the best answer I can actually come up with right now is that at least 70 coaches have achieved the feat... with plenty more I can't account for.

According to the 2008 NCAA Men's Basketball Record Book (http://"http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/basketball/m_basketball_records_book/2008/2008_m_basketball_records.pdf") - 70 coaches have won at least 275 games in Division III alone - heading into this season. But, they don't go past 70 on the list. I will continue to try and find the exact answer for you. But if someone else comes up with it, feel free to post it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2007, 12:25:11 am
Ugh.

I'm going to try to have perspective here.  When you don't score for the last 5:00 of a game, you really can't expect to win it.  But I am hopping mad about a late call, and that's the part that I'm going to try to be fair about.

Congrats to Goucher.  They showed a lot of heart to stay in this game and be in position to take advantage of the CUA meltdown.   They're cleary a better team than they were last year, and they played tough defense. 

Catholic had this game under control but then just completely...tough to describe.  This is where being young comes into play. They just went ice, and I mean ICE cold.  Rarely does something like that happen to a veteran team, but...a learning experience, I guess.  Pretty much everything that went wrong, did.  They missed wide open shots, every loose ball went to Goucher.   You've all seen it before.

D-Mac, I'm sure you'll be around the Goucher people enough to get their read on the call I'm upset about so I'm not asking you to take my word for it.  At the time, Goucher was up by 3, so I can't claim that the outcome of the game would have been different.  I'm not looking to place blame anywhere else anyway.

But...you've got just under a minute left, Gophers up 3 with the ball, and Catholic decides to foul to stop the clock.  So they do.  Or at least, you think they do...one guy gets fouled...no call...pass...that guy gets fouled...no call...another pass...THAT guy gets the usual end of game swipe, finally they call the foul.  Fine.  No big deal, the players all start to trudge to the line, whatever.  But then the ref walks toward the table with his hands up...intentional foul. 

I mean....I'm speechless.  That foul was about as routine as you will ever get.  It was not a hard foul, nobody was upset, you never would look at it twice.  The foul occured right in the area the player was holding the ball, and it was just one of those half hearted attempts to swipe at it.  To make that call...well, it was game over.  Goucher gets two free throws, two makes, gets the ball back.  CUA has to foul again, two more free throws, and we're done.

For me to claim that the outcome would have been different would be wrong.  I can't honestly do that.  But I can say that it might have made a difference.  I was about as mad as I've been at one of those games in a long, long time.  Of course that particular ref got ridden pretty hard for the remaining 45 seconds or so, but the other two officials out there knew it was a bad call and gave some leeway.

Uhh, next game Saturday.  Moving on...



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2007, 12:42:32 am
Matt - won't honestly be around anyone for awhile to chat with them about the call... but will take your description as being odd. The usual description for a intentional foul is there was no attempt for the ball... but it sounds like that might have happened. Who knows.

As for Goucher... I told you they were not the same as last season :).
Matt... something to take into consideration about the Gophers that you haven't witnessed in YEARS. Goucher has a young squad who in most of the games I have seen this year, won't quit.

Matt... I wish I was there, but from your description... you saw the two polar opposites of young teams. Goucher has a very young team that is determined and won't quit, no matter what.
Catholic appears to have a young team that can struggle in tight games due to lack of experience and because they don't have that determination... yet!

Both these teams will be rising at the same time in the coming seasons... I will be very interested to see (Pat Cummings, did you read that line) where they go. Goucher shows the potential to be a very good team in this region. Curious where Catholic may end up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2007, 10:18:32 am
Right--that's been Goucher's MO this year and it showed.  They'll probably give a tough game to just about everybody. 

They're both young, but Goucher is practically a grizzled, veteran team compared to Catholic! Goucher has 3 seniors, 5 juniors, 3 sophomores, and 6 freshman on their roster.  Catholic has zero seniors, 5 juniors, 3 sophomores and 9 freshman.

Its easy to get wrapped up in the day to day, particularly after a bad loss (and it was), but Catholic's going to be fine.  These guys are physically very talented.  They've got great depth, and they have a huge height advantage (and therefore rebounding advantage) over just about everyone they've played.  It was the first collegiate game for their new big 6'8 stud, and Ryan Jones, who is really developing into a nice player, missed last night's game.

Sometimes the shots just don't fall--they had some good looks down the stretch, just didn't make the shots--and sometimes the other team makes some great plays.  You just have to tip your cap to your opponent and not let your own team get derailed. 

The difference between the really good teams and the subpar ones isn't just losing, its how you respond to it. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Salem, VA on December 06, 2007, 10:41:19 am
It is nice to see old foes changing roles.

Hopefully Catholic continues to struggle, at York we are loving it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 06, 2007, 10:50:41 am
TheGrove - the best answer I can actually come up with right now is that at least 70 coaches have achieved the feat... with plenty more I can't account for.

According to the 2008 NCAA Men's Basketball Record Book (http://"http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/basketball/m_basketball_records_book/2008/2008_m_basketball_records.pdf") - 70 coaches have won at least 275 games in Division III alone - heading into this season. But, they don't go past 70 on the list. I will continue to try and find the exact answer for you. But if someone else comes up with it, feel free to post it.

Thanks, D-mac. I can't pull up that PDF (it keeps timing out), but I think it's a site problem, because I tried to pull up another PDF on the NCAA site and that's not working either. Anything else you find is greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2007, 09:21:26 pm
Try the site again - I pulled off a few PDF's today to save.

And Matt, yes... Goucher has three seniors, but their best players aren't necessarily those guys. Some of the underclassmen are the guys hitting the big shots and making the big plays.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2007, 11:18:52 pm
I know, but at least they've played more than once in their own building, unlike 9 of Catholic's players until last night.  And remember, we only see a tiny percentage of what goes on on a basketball team. Veteran leadership doesn't just happen during games, it happens during practice every day.  Sometimes its those upperclassman who never really play in big situations and don't fill up the stat sheet that are important players to team chemistry and leadership in practice.

I agree with your take on Goucher, I'm just saying that even for a young team, Catholic is very extreme this year due to the situation with the coaching change a few years ago.  They're going to have bumps on the road, as evidenced by last night, but even in that game...some of those guys were showing great promise out there. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2007, 11:08:12 am
Where to begin? I won't start with the Royals blowing an 11 point lead with 7 minutes to play against E-town. Or their poor effort against Moravian on Wall of Fame Day.

How about scoring 4 points in the first 10 minutes against Moravian? Several bad passes to no one, turnovers left and right, ice cold shooting. Calling a few timeouts did nothing to shake up the team....so how about benching all 5 starters and seeing what the bench can do? Isn't that why these Freshman were recruited?

Royals look great for 4 games, awful for 3.


In another note...I see Susquehanna lost to Misercordia..and is 0-2 in NEPA ( they also lost to Wilkes)..mild upset it you ask me.


Somewhere Colonel John is smiling.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MR. PAC on December 07, 2007, 09:31:15 pm
Wasn't Paul Hawk injured in those losses.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 11, 2007, 04:27:30 pm
Wasn't Paul Hawk injured in those losses.


Yes I believe so. His little brother is also out for the year. Tough break.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 14, 2007, 07:48:37 pm
I've recently read where the Radisson Hotel in Scranton gave the UofS $5,000 as the corporate sponsor of the upcoming Radisson Invitational Tournament. No offense to the schools coming in(Lancaster Bible, Lycoming & Wesley)...but, one would think that with that kind of seed money as well as the discounts on the rooms at this magnificent hotel...Scranton should be able to bring in much bigger names in D-III basketball. Last year they brought in a team that played about 15 games a year as well as a team(SUNY-Morrisville) that was in only their 1st. or 2nd. year of d-III competition. Whatever happened to trying to get schools like Hamilton, Rochester, F&M, Ursinus, Johns Hopkins, or Williams & the like that have great academics & great basketball histories as the competition? Since most of the tournaments are held when the students are home on semester break, one would think that the best way to get the local alums out over the Holidays would be to schedule teams with a certain tradition. If it's just about the chance for at least one Regional win...carry on. However, if it's about trying to put together a truly 1st. class tournament...one that befits both the UofS and the Radisson...then there is some work to do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 15, 2007, 10:19:07 am
Whatever happened to trying to get schools like Hamilton, Rochester, F&M, Ursinus, Johns Hopkins, or Williams & the like that have great academics & great basketball histories as the competition?

toga, you mean like the good old days when Bess used to bring in D-II's like King's, Mansfield, Slippery Rock, Kutztown, Hartwick, Philadelphia Textile, Buffalo, along with D-III powers like Hamilton, William Patteron led by Clinton Wheeler, Muskingum with the Dalkowski Brothers, Buffalo St., etc.? You mean those years? Remember the Kodak Classic Scranton played in back in 1987 when all four teams were highly ranked? How about the East Stroudsburg Holiday Classic back in 1975-76 when Scranton and Amherst were the lone D-III schools out of the eight competing schools?
By the way, you being an alum of yesteryear, do you honestly think F&M would ever come to Scranton for a regular season game? Check the host sites of the Mid-Atlantic Regional tournament history to see what I mean. Record books don't lie.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 15, 2007, 11:52:35 am
Guys-

I can't get that upset about the field at the Radisson Invitational.

1) Isn't it alumni weekend for the team? Alums want to see a win.
2) Recruits showed up last year for the tourny according to Saratoga. Recruits want to see a win.
3) Tough year for scheduling with the move to the Landmark.


My bigger long term concern is getting a Center to replace Bicknell next year.

Anyone know anything about Hartwick?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2007, 08:17:42 pm
CC: You nailed it. Those were some pretty hotly contested games with no cupcakes allowed. Good call on the Dalkowski brothers...I believe Myron was the bruser who could have auditioned as another Hanson brother from "Slapshot". As for me, I'll take a tough hard-earned victory over a walk in the park vs. a team not ready for prime time any day. I'd much rather see the Royals win by one against Williams than beat the Sisters Of The Poor by 30 any day of the week. CC, you are correct...F&M does not like to venture outside of Mayser unless court ordered...especially in recent years. NEPA: Hartwick has a guard from Jersey that never received a pass that couldn't be turned into a shot. They also have a freshman that's been helping them out on the boards & scoring a little as well. Scranton won by around 15/20 up there last year...they should win at home...should. My rating of the current Radisson field...D-... the only saving grace is Lyco. If I were representing the Radisson, I'd demand a refund & an audit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 15, 2007, 11:18:00 pm
If I were representing the Radisson, I'd demand a refund & an audit.

That's a good one. :)
Good story about the Dalkowski's. I was at the 1983 Final Four in Grand Rapids, MI, when Scranton beat Wittenberg for the title. There was a guy sitting next to me that looked familiar but I couldn't place him. He was into the game like a die-hard and rooted so hard for Scranton I thought he was going to have a heart attack. Everytime a foul was called on Wittenberg the guy would get up and yell at the player mercifully. The guy knew their players better than I knew Scranton's and you know that's amazing.
Anyway, Scranton wins and this guy, like all the fans, ran onto the court to celebrate. He was so fired up over the win it was incredible. About an hour or so later when he and everyone else finally calmed down, I asked him if he had a relative playing for Scranton and how he knew the Wittenberg players so well.
Ready for this? He was Mr. Dalkowski, father of the twins at Muskingum. He hated Witt with a passion and travelled to Grand Rapids just to see them get beat, even though Musky bombed them twice during the season. Now that's hate.
I later realized I saw him during Scranton's Holiday tourney back in December and we talked briefly at halftime of the tourney final. He said he remembered me which is why he sat next to me but was puzzled why I didn't say hello to him or talk with him. I really couldn't remember him until he told me afterwards. Funny stuff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 15, 2007, 11:39:40 pm
CC: I'm sure there is a degree of mutual distaste in the Ohio Athletic Conference to this very day. Those kids were players & say what you want...Bess never ducked anybody.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2007, 10:57:06 am
NEPA: Just a little more on the Royals next opponent...the Hartwick Hawks. In their most recent game vs. RIT, they(Hartwick) were down 25 points with just over 12 minutes left in the game & went on a 21-0 run over the next 4 1/2 minutes to cut the lead to 59/55. After a back & forth 3 minutes, Hartwick made their free throws as well & put RIT away for a huge conference victory. As for the Wick guard I mentioned a few posts ago...well, he finished the night with 43 points with 31 coming in the second half. This player...Jan Cocozziello nailed 6 of 9 three-pointers & hit 12 of 17 free throws down the stretch. Now that's a player putting the rest of his team on his back & getting it done. As the stats would indicate...he not only lets them fly from the outside, he drives to the basket as well & is more than happy to get the reach-ins & go to the line. Considering Scranton's Horrible & that is Horrible with a capital "H" perimiter defense...(please refer to Moraivian game) the Royals need to be vastly improved or they may be lit up once again like the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 16, 2007, 09:25:09 pm
The Catholic University men's basketball team (5-5) defeated the Villa Julie Mustangs (2-7) Sunday night in its final game of 2007. CUA faced the Mustangs at Towson University in a neutral meeting of the two teams. The Cards led from the opening minutes and carried the comfortable lead to the end getting the 75-60 victory.

The Cards tok the lead in the first half and never looked back as their strong defense didn't allow the Mustangs to get into double digits until less than four minutes left in the half. Strong shooting and impressive defense allowed the Mustang to shoot just 17 percent in the half. Wes Parker (Germantown, Md./Northwest) had an outstanding half for the Cards leading the squad in both points and rebounds. Parker had 14 points, including a 4-5 performance from beyond the arc, and four rebounds. His classmate Jason Banzhaf (Livingston, N.J./Seton Hall Prep) added eight points for CUA. The Cardinals shot 48 percent, commited just three turnovers and held a 23-19 advantage in rebounds. The Mustangs were allowed no offensive rebounds as the CUA big men pounded the boards. The Cards went into half leading 36-14.

The second half was much like the first and though the Cardinals continued to dominate, the Mustangs began to shoot better attempting to close the gap. In the fast-paced contest a layup, foul and turnover cut the Cardinal lead to just 11 as theMustangs started to hit. Just as Villa Julie gained momentum trapping the backcourt, the Cards countered by drawing fouls and scoring at the line. Holding on to a 16-point lead with two minutes remaining the Mustangs were forced to foul and CUA sailed to the 75-60 win.

Parker finished with 22 to lead all scorers he also had a team-high nine rebounds, two assists, a block and a steal for the all-around performance. Banzhaf finished with 12 and Danny Quinn (Annapolis, Md./Archbishop Spalding) had nine points in the contest. The Cards finished strong shooting 51.9 percent for the game to Villa Julie's 31.8 as well as outrebounding the Mustangs 43-35. The only category where the Mustangs outperformed the Cardinals was in turnovers as CUA commited 17 and Villa Julie had 14.

The Cardinals will break for the holidays but return to action to host the CUA Classic at the DuFour Center on January 5-6. The Cards will play Salve Regina in the 4 p.m. game on Saturday.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 16, 2007, 09:37:10 pm
   With regard to the Radisson, I would think the Royals being in Pool B these 2 years would want to play strong teams, raising their strength of schedule like inviting one of the good Ohio schools, a good ODAC school, and one of the eastern UAA schools. Lancaster Bible and Wesley aren't going to help come selection time and we've just finished playing Lycoming twice a year. Let's improve the team by upgrading, not downgrading.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2007, 09:43:52 pm
Exactly my point. The past few tournaments the Royals have held have been, shall we say...heavy on the lackluster side.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2007, 09:46:41 pm
Thanks for the info on Hartwick.  Please don't bring up the bad memories of the Moravian game.


The Scranton-Hartwick game is now a Businessman's Special as a result of the wintry weather. Tip off at 3pm on Tuesday at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 16, 2007, 10:05:40 pm
What is up with this 3:00 start on Tuesday? I fully understand Hartwick may have problems heading down from Upstate New York tomorrow & moving the game to Tuesday is a good move for basic safety...but, 3:00? This will now have the atmosphere of an inter-squad scrimmage.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 20, 2007, 01:11:04 pm
Scranton beats Hartwick by 14 and Arnold drops 30.


Paid attendance? 200. More like 20 if I had to guess.



How many days till the Radisson?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on December 20, 2007, 03:39:32 pm
Here's Wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season !!! may the new year be filled with love , peace, and good health thru out ... also some really good basketball..

HAPPY HOLIDAY'S   !!!!!!!

GO CARDS
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 07, 2008, 09:51:30 am
Scranton goes down to Lycoming in the Championship of the Radisson.


"I was proud of the effort. We put ourselves in a position to win, doing it without one of our all-conference players,” Danzig said. “In the long run, we’re going to be better off for this. Now guys know we can play without him. Other guys got a chance to play and that will make them better, too.”



Proud of the effort? Missing 11 of your first 13 shots is a good effort? Royal's didn't start playing until 5 minutes left in the first half. ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 07, 2008, 11:05:15 am
I guess it's true what they say that some coaches are great recruiters and others are great with x's and o's.
Understand where I'm coming from?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2008, 11:22:40 am
The first weekend of conference action is upcoming. Anyone wondering how their team will do with back-to-back games?

I saw Goucher play back-to-back games last week against two non-conference opponents. Honestly, very smart scheduling my Coach Trevino to get his team used to playing on back-to-back nights before conference action starts. However, the team seemed to struggle in the second game and weren't ready. That could be devestating when it comes to conference play.

The team that can put together more weekend sweeps than splits will have the early edge in this conference.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: CardinalRed on January 07, 2008, 05:50:37 pm
Catholic played back-to-back for the fourth time this season this past weekend. I think Coach Howes planned this for a reason. Coincidently they are 4-4 having split in all four tournaments. I think it will depend on which team you play on which night. Sometimes they look strong, and sometimes they look shaky. I think this will happen for most teams in the conference. This will make for some REALLY good games and some REALLY bad games considering two teams might both show up on an off night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 08, 2008, 09:22:37 am
I guess it's true what they say that some coaches are great recruiters and others are great with x's and o's.
Understand where I'm coming from?


How about motivaters???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: naismith on January 09, 2008, 05:39:30 pm
nepa, cc

don't tell me you don't miss us Freedom Fighters?
seems postitis has set in on this thread....

CC, did u get to Wilkes-Kings?
Real nice game and CJ was on his best behavior.

Think he might have matured a bit??

Naismith
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 10, 2008, 07:09:20 pm
don't tell me you don't miss us Freedom Fighters?
seems postitis has set in on this thread....

Are you hinting this bored is dead? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2008, 09:27:51 am
don't tell me you don't miss us Freedom Fighters?
seems postitis has set in on this thread....

Are you hinting this bored is dead? :)

Just a bit.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 11, 2008, 10:57:10 am
Well, if for no other reason than to get things going a little, I'll say that Catholic was missing Nick Oliverio, its starting shooting guard who was the only real scorer carried over from last year for this past weekend's games.  He'll be back soon, though.

My assessment is still the same--they're talented, they've got some great players, but they're very, very young.  The way to look at it is to evaluate freshman play after each game.  Win or lose, would take Catholic's freshman players or their opponents?  And there aren't too many freshman I've seen so far that I'd take over most of the group that Catholic has.  They're getting around 48 ppg from freshman.

I'm most excited about Chris McGrew--I think he'll be an absolutely dominant center in this conference and level.  He's 6'8 with a good jump shot and makes his free throws.  His away from the basket game is probably ahead of his inside game at this point but he's still a dominant rebounder.   When he's on the court, the offense flows much better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2008, 03:29:23 pm
NEPAFAN: With "Spin" like the one recently tossed out by the Royals head coach...James Carville & Andy Card better watch their backs. It would seem if the coaching career doesn't work out, Coach Danzig will certainly do well working for either the Republican or Democratic National Committee. The comments about  the Royals recent "effort" although laudable...is pure fiction through & through. Rather than enabling this "team", perhaps dealing in Reality Therapy might be a good first step toward recovery.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 03:42:05 pm
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 03:45:23 pm
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...

First we have to find those places. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2008, 03:56:01 pm
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...

First we have to find those places. ;D


Please rename the board Scranton-Catholic Chatline.

NEPAFAN: With "Spin" like the one recently tossed out by the Royals head coach...James Carville & Andy Card better watch their backs. It would seem if the coaching career doesn't work out, Coach Danzig will certainly do well working for either the Republican or Democratic National Committee. The comments about  the Royals recent "effort" although laudable...is pure fiction through & through. Rather than enabling this "team", perhaps dealing in Reality Therapy might be a good first step toward recovery.


Spot on.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 11, 2008, 03:58:28 pm
Weak, very weak.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 04:07:34 pm
Don't tell Dave you're writing out Goucher. :)

Trying to promote the site a little more on places like Facebook.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2008, 04:14:42 pm
Didn't we have an ardent Susquehanna fan last season going by Susquejamma? As for Juniata, I can honestly say I can not ever remember seeing a post emanating from that school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2008, 04:26:36 pm
To pump up this board we'd need to reach fans of Drew, Juniata, Susquehanna, Moravian and Merchant Marine...
First we have to find those places. ;D
Please rename the board Scranton-Catholic Chatline.
Don't tell Dave you're writing out Goucher. :)
AHEM!!! Excuse me!!! Do you just skip some of the posts around here?! Jeez! What the heck am I good for? (OK, please don't answer that, I might get answers I don't want :)).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2008, 09:34:51 pm
Susquehanna 78
Scranton 71

Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Juniata 95
Moravian 90 (OT)

Merchant Marine 66
Goucher 62
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2008, 01:57:22 pm
Susquehanna 78
Scranton 71

Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Juniata 95
Moravian 90 (OT)

Merchant Marine 66
Goucher 62



Another L for Scranton. Look for some positives....Ashworth a Freshman is looking pretty good...other than that slim pickins for good news ..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 12, 2008, 02:27:34 pm
Thus far, the Royals are pulling what has become all too familiar in recent years. Taken out of games early, not ready to play from the tip, trying to overcome huge deficits late & simply not not maturing as a team. A very experienced & battle tested group under-achieving yet again. I really feel for Tom Bicknell...he busts his butt every game & usually has to go 35 minutes a game banging with multiple bigs from opposing teams & he plays as hard at the end of the game as he does out of the gate. It's about time some of the other kids quit reading the press clippings from high school & start contributing. By the way, take a look at the points given up by Scranton this year...think Canio's absence is evident? Although picked to win the Landmark...I would not be surprised to see the Royals get another "L" at Juniata today & again at Albright on Wed's. A promising season at the start is on the ropes... should the Royals not regroup & redifine their season today, they may have a hard time reaching 14 wins let alone the Landmark championship.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 12, 2008, 06:30:04 pm
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 12, 2008, 06:38:35 pm
Didn't we have an ardent Susquehanna fan last season going by Susquejamma? As for Juniata, I can honestly say I can not ever remember seeing a post emanating from that school.

I'm hurt, you've forgotten about me???  :o

PS - Susquehanna moves to 3-0 in Landmark play with today's 92-81 win over Moravian. And Frank Marcinek got his 250th career win last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2008, 08:32:35 pm
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2008, 10:31:56 pm
Didn't we have an ardent Susquehanna fan last season going by Susquejamma? As for Juniata, I can honestly say I can not ever remember seeing a post emanating from that school.

I'm hurt, you've forgotten about me???  :o

PS - Susquehanna moves to 3-0 in Landmark play with today's 92-81 win over Moravian. And Frank Marcinek got his 250th career win last night.

Get some of your buddies on the site, my man!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 12, 2008, 11:16:07 pm
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.

They did lose, but they were down 10 very late and put together a run to tie it.  Had they hit a FT at the end and converted the three point play on their final posession, they would have won it.  McGrew had 22 today...watch out.  He's getting going.  Of course, just as soon as it I call him a good FT shooter, he has a bad day, but...

Game didn't go their way in OT.  Like I said, though, show me a more talented group of freshman--this many of them--on one team.  Its just going to be a roller coaster season this year.  But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2008, 12:00:24 am
Birmingham-Southern has a more talented group of freshmen, but that's ok, I know the question was rhetorical.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: HopeConvert on January 13, 2008, 10:59:10 pm
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.

They did lose, but they were down 10 very late and put together a run to tie it.  Had they hit a FT at the end and converted the three point play on their final posession, they would have won it.  McGrew had 22 today...watch out.  He's getting going.  Of course, just as soon as it I call him a good FT shooter, he has a bad day, but...

Game didn't go their way in OT.  Like I said, though, show me a more talented group of freshman--this many of them--on one team.  Its just going to be a roller coaster season this year.  But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)
I doubt anyone has more freshmen (9, by my count). And they have size, and I think play hard (I'm going on the basis of one game I've seen in person - Friday night against Drew). But, good Lord, the shooting was cover-your-eyes ugly, for both teams. I hope D-Mac was referring to CUA when he noted the improved shooting. On the basis of this one game, I'd have to say Hope's freshmen are quite a bit further along, but there's half again as many. I'll be seeing more games, and am eager to see how CU improves over the course of the year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2008, 11:36:50 pm
I was refering to USMMA... if you look at the stats for their games in the winning streak... they are shooting the ball very well from beyond the arc and from the line. Jumpers and inside... they are ok, but when you can hit well from outside and then you are picking up the easy points from the line... it goes a LONG way to winning.

In the game against Goucher, the Gophers shot 8-18 from the line and they were 6-16 from 3 point land, but only 1-7 in the second half.
Merchant Marine shot 10-14 from the free throw line and 6-14 from the beyond the arc, including 4-6 in the 2nd half.
Mariners won by 4. Thanks to those stats primarily!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 14, 2008, 12:09:10 pm
Catholic 58
Drew 48 (held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half)

Should we all be impressed? What did Catholic's defense do that every MAC team hasn't done to Drew over the years??
Drew was held scoreless for 11 minutes in the 2nd half... and Catholic is a rather young team this season, so some growing pains should be expected.

That being said... CUA lost to Merchant Marine today... who have now won five straight. After what I saw last night, they have certainly found thier shooting touch from outside... and made sure to convert three-point opportunites when fouled inside on a shot.

They did lose, but they were down 10 very late and put together a run to tie it.  Had they hit a FT at the end and converted the three point play on their final posession, they would have won it.  McGrew had 22 today...watch out.  He's getting going.  Of course, just as soon as it I call him a good FT shooter, he has a bad day, but...

Game didn't go their way in OT.  Like I said, though, show me a more talented group of freshman--this many of them--on one team.  Its just going to be a roller coaster season this year.  But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)


While I can't argue , I think I liked the board when it was dead.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2008, 10:11:30 pm
Scranton pulls out a huge win on the road at 10-2 Albright to stop the slide. Freshman Zach Ashworth drives the length of the floor with 5 seconds left in OT & lays one in with .09 second left to win it after Albright just tied it up. Randy Arnold's consecutive games started streak is over...he's started every game since his freshman year...the shoulder injury is just not allowing him any mobility. Another double/double for Tom Bicknell. Defense wins games...Scranton keeps teams under 70 they win...over 70 they lose. Hard to head into the conference schedule without your 4 year point guard but, it is what it is so keep making the best out of a tough situation. Should be a nice ride home tonight...finally!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2008, 08:52:12 am
Scranton pulls out a huge win on the road at 10-2 Albright to stop the slide. Freshman Zach Ashworth drives the length of the floor with 5 seconds left in OT & lays one in with .09 second left to win it after Albright just tied it up. Randy Arnold's consecutive games started streak is over...he's started every game since his freshman year...the shoulder injury is just not allowing him any mobility. Another double/double for Tom Bicknell. Defense wins games...Scranton keeps teams under 70 they win...over 70 they lose. Hard to head into the conference schedule without your 4 year point guard but, it is what it is so keep making the best out of a tough situation. Should be a nice ride home tonight...finally!


Great effort from the Freshman  Ashworth and the rest of the Royals. Must be something in the water at Central Bucks High School.
Although, it sounded like they were still being beaten on the boards. I thought another Freshman Bogovich was going to be a monster on the boards, but he has been MIA.


Saratoga any word on how long Arnold and O'Connell are out? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 19, 2008, 08:28:37 pm
Susquehanna now stands at 5-0 in the Landmark after sweeping Drew and Merchant Marine this weekend.

Now I bet you wish there were no Susquehanna posters, eh?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 08:56:07 pm
I don't. I wish there were more.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 20, 2008, 04:24:05 am
[But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)

Judging by Saturday's debacle, perhaps they're not inconsistent enough? (ahem).
Youth is no excuse and from what I witnessed, the inconsistent team played without two of its top three starters. (ahem II).
It was the first game I saw this year since coming home for the weekend. I haven't missed much.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 20, 2008, 09:17:21 pm
[But I'd rather be Catholic and up and down with a ridiculously young team than perhaps a certain veteran team in the conference that's been inconsistent this year (ahem...)

Judging by Saturday's debacle, perhaps they're not inconsistent enough? (ahem).
Youth is no excuse and from what I witnessed, the inconsistent team played without two of its top three starters. (ahem II).
It was the first game I saw this year since coming home for the weekend. I haven't missed much.


Well, when you shoot 28%, you aren't going to score much.

I don't think one game erases my point.  In fact, that was the first game all season that they weren't in.  Take a look at their losses...by 4 to Moravian, 5 to Merchant Marine in OT, by 3 to CMU, 4 to Piedmont, 4 to Case Western...etc.  With the exception of that one game to Scranton, in the first back to back away trip for them, they've come up just short.  It stands to reason that next season when these players are more mature and know what they're facing, some of those close losses will be close wins. 

Basically, this season is prepartion for next year.  At 10-6, Scranton is still a long shot for a Pool B (maybe they'll make a run, they certainly have the talent and coaching to do so), but if they don't make it, than I don't really see why I wouldn't rather be in Catholic's position.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 20, 2008, 10:34:17 pm
(.....they certainly have the talent and coaching to do so)

Matt, you got the first part right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 21, 2008, 09:55:35 am
Well I look forward to seeing for myself when they come down to Washington.  Hopefully it will be a better game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 21, 2008, 06:29:41 pm
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19215201&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=422129&rfi=6


Donnie Collins commentary on the Landmark Conference and Scranton.

Highlights...

-Playing back to back days may be the biggest challenge.
-Danzig believes the level of play may be higher in the Landmark compared to the Freedom.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 23, 2008, 10:08:12 am
Nepa Fan, thanks for highlighting that very interesting Landmark article.  In this morning's Allentown Morning Call, sport's section, i see that four of the top Men's Landmark teams ARE former MAC.  It makes one wonder why Coach Danzig would say the level of competition is "better".   Coach Strong was brutally honest - thank you again for posting that piece.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2008, 08:38:18 pm
Kate,


Is that article online?


What does everyone think of this?


Landmark To Hold First Institute
MADISON, N.J. - The Landmark Conference will host its first Academic Collaboration/Integration Institute Feb. 5-6 at the Hyatt Regency on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. The two-day event will bring together administrators and student-athletes from each of the eight institutions in the Division III athletics conference in an effort to try and foster collaborative efforts in areas of collegiate life outside of athletics.

Attending the Institute will be the Chief Executive Officers, Chief Academic Officers, Athletics Directors, Faculty Athletics Representatives and Student-Athlete Advisory Committee Advisors for all eight Landmark institutions, as well as two Student-Athlete Advisory Committee members from each institution.

The featured speakers for the Institute will be Daniel T. Dutcher, the NCAA Vice President for Division III and Dr. Christopher Thomforde, the President of Landmark Conference member Moravian College and a former Division I student-athlete at Princeton University.

"This Institute is a major step in achieving one of the principle missions of the Landmark Conference which is to produce collaborative efforts between our institutions outside the realm of athletics," said Landmark Commissioner Dr. John Reeves. "We are fortunate to have people with the expertise of Dan Dutcher and the experience and background of Chris Thomforde to insure that this is a positive, worthwhile event."

The Institute will begin on Tuesday Feb. 5 with a presentation from Dutcher regarding the membership issues currently facing Division III. Following that will be a reception and dinner with informal meetings among the constituency groups.

The event will resume Wednesday morning with roundtable discussions between and among the various constituency groups.Topics will include academic collaboration in areas such as study abroad, research and grant submissions, the role of athletics in the Division III community, integration of faculty into athletics, sportsmanship initiatives and membership issues facing Division III.  Each roundtable will be followed by a breakout session with each group reporting on its discussion. The goal of the discussions will be to provide the Landmark office with one action item for follow-up for the calendar year.

The Institute will conclude on Wednesday with a presentation by Thomforde about the challenges and benefits of properly balancing athletics and academics.

"We believe the Institute provides a wonderful opportunity for the leaders of our institutions to meet and discuss relevant issues face-to-face, and to be inspired by the energy surrounding the Landmark Conference," said Dr. Tom Kepple, President of Juniata College and chair of the Landmark Conference Executive Board. "To hear from all of these constituencies, particularly our outstanding student-athletes, will be beneficial for everyone and we look forward to making great progress over the course of the two days."

 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on January 23, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
Nepa Fan, the stats for the Landmark, mens & womens; the MAC, men & women are printed weekly in the Morning Call on Wednesdays.  That meeting next month sounds like what every conference should have at least twice a year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 23, 2008, 10:42:34 pm
    I remember seeing Chris Thomforde play for Princeton- a pretty decent 6' 9" center. Hopefully, he can also do the job educationally and leadershipwise in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 01:25:59 am
ANYONE chatting about the games on here?

I was at the Juniata/Goucher game... which the Gophers came from behind with some very tough and aggressive defense to win tonight. Goucher has shown all season long they are a second half team and tonight they really frustrated the Eagles guards with their defense. The surprising thing was how easily the Eagles broke the Gophers full-court press in the first half and part of the second. But Goucher made some adjustments and the Eagles struggled with it for the last ten minutes of the game.

Goucher's record shouldn't be taken lightly. While they are a young team that is still trying to find what works, when they are shooting well (which they did tonight) and playing tough defense, they are going to be very tough to beat - especially at home.

Now... I would like to say how impressed I have been so far with some of the teams that have visited Goucher this season for either the first time... or the first time in a long time. The fan support for the traveling teams have been very impressive. Goucher's gym has had some great crowds, in terms of support, a lot this season - more than it did in its late years with the CAC. You would think the fans in the CAC would travel more - since the distances are shorter. But so far the Landmark opponents' fans have certainly shown they support their teams on the road. Hats off!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 27, 2008, 11:40:19 am
Some of it is probably the excitement of seeing new places vs. interest kind of waning in the CAC (and lets face it, Goucher wasn't exactly much a draw there at the end), but that's great to hear.  It will take time for the league to develop but road trips help!

I just haven't see as many games this year, its much tougher to travel with the little one, and I can't get back into DC twice on a weekend.   We're going to go today though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 11:47:55 am
Outside of whether Goucher was a good team, thus a draw... I just like the fact a team's fan base likes to travel with them. CUA is about the only team I knew that traveled well as a fan base in the CAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 27, 2008, 12:24:35 pm
True.  We used to get a decent contingent of MW people when they were good, but that petered out the last few years. 

I may not even make it up to SRC this year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 01:00:52 pm
Sheesh Matt! The CUA/GOU game is on my birthday! You should be there strickly to wish the PA a happy birthday, right?! Just kidding!

Believe it or not, while I am required to be at games, it has actually been a fight for me to get to the SRC this season as well - but I won't bore you with the boring "work" problems.

If you make it, I will look forward to your comments about the refs from behind me ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2008, 03:25:52 pm
    I'm looking forward to Matt's comments also since a friend will be reffing the Scranton-CUA men's game and I plan on attending both doubleheaders that weekend. BTW, he worked your Goucher men's game yesterday but I haven't had a chance to discuss with him how it went.
     On another topic-since the Landmark adopted the UAA's partners travel and games on weekends, why didn't they adopt their no conference playoff idea also, especially with no AQ for the winner the next 2 years, anyways? Seems like that would be consistent with minimizing class disruptions. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2008, 04:33:41 pm
Lots of conferences have travel partners and since this one doesn't span from Boston to St. Louis I think the major reasoning behind forgoing a conference tournament is eliminated.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2008, 07:57:11 pm
Scranton puts in two lackluster performances at Kings Point and Drew and goes 1 and 1. I was not in attendance ( listened on the net, which was interesting in that you could hear Danzig yelling to cover the shooter and rebound) ..maybe someone in attendance ( Kings Point/Drew fans?) can shed some light into the games. The Landmark has not been too kind to Scranton thus far.


I am trying to figure out how some rivaliries will develop in this league, obviously Scranton-Catholic could be one of those rivaliries when both teams are playing well......Goucher/Catholic? Anyone and Susquehanna? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2008, 08:18:44 pm
Goucher/Catholic is an already very well established rivalry. And it date backs YEARS (11 or 12).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 27, 2008, 09:18:39 pm
  In a spreadout conference like this, the most likely rivalry will develop not by geographical proximity, but by whom you have to beat over the years  to win the NCAA AQ berth via the conference post season playoff. If the programs aren't consistently good enough to meet this way, I don't see a rivalry developing. It'll just be another game on the schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 27, 2008, 09:50:59 pm
Well, I won't disappoint my fans tonight, since I'm going to b*tch about the officiating tonight since it was horrible.  I think both sides would agree on that.

Which is too bad, because it was a very good game today at DuFour.  Very competitive and well coached--both coaches made multiple switches on the defensive end which had a great impact on the game.

In the end, Juanita won in overtime, so congrats to them.  Cannon had a great game is a really nice player.  Catholic played as well as I've seen them play in a while and made a great push to send it to OT.

But honestly...there were 3 fouls called on Juanita with 3:00 left in the 2nd half.  3! And its not like Catholic was standing around shooting jumpshots, they kept sending the ball in, Quinn was getting grabbed and bumped all over the place and the only thing that got called was an offensive foul when the defender wasn't even close to being set.  How can that be?  Nobody commits 3 fouls in 17 minutes, its just not possible, at least in this kind of game when you have attempts in the paint.

But my biggest beef came on the last play of regulation...Catholic is down 3 and gets the ball with 7 seconds left.  Because Juanita has so few fouls, they can afford to foul a few times and do as the ball is being brought up court.  Fine.  Catholic inbounds, sends the ball over to the corner to Stolzenthaler who really isn't a three point shooter.  But he's behind the arc, so the Juanita defender moves to maul him.  Well he side steps him a little bit, and goes up for the shot, at which point he gets hit hard right on his elbow.  It was as clear as day.  Now his form wasn't exactly pretty but somehow the shot went in (frankly, if he had used a perfect form, he never would have made it since he got hit).  It was incredible...and I'm thinking Oh My God---game tied plus the foul.

Except no whistle.  Now, it was blatantly obvious what was going on.  Those refs--particular the older one, who all CAC fans will know ("old guy") who has been known to pack it in--had no desire to ref overtime.  So no matter what happened, they weren't going to call a foul on a 3 attempt.  But they didn't bank on Sean actually hitting it, since it was such a low percentage shot.

Bottom line...with no time on the clock, he should have been at the line shooting a free throw to win the game.  As it was "old guy" grab the ball and walked back to the scorers table literally shaking his head as if to say "damn, I can't believe I still have to work."  It was really a poor performance and that guy needs to retire.  Of course, the other ref was the same one that called the intentional on Sean at the end of the Goucher game on a ho hum swipe to stop the clock, so...don't look to him.  He needs to study the block/charge rule while he's at it.

Well, at least those lazy refs did have to officiate the overtime period, which was surprisingly well played by both sides. 

In OT, Juanita made their free throws, Catholic didn't (4-4 vs 1-3), and that's your ballgame.  Disappointing loss, but at least they're still fighting.  But...next 4 games on the road...tough.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 27, 2008, 11:33:39 pm
NEPAFAN: "Lackluster" just about sums it up. Just when you think the Royals have figured it out & are ready to play as they are capable of playing...they revert to their "apathy defense" & get kicked in the head yet again @ USMMA. Then today, as usual, Drew makes Scranton play their game & tempo & has about 3 chances to beat the Royals in the last minute only to fall by 3. Really good teams take care of business on the road...especially against teams they are simply better than talent wise. How easy it would have been for Duke to just roll-over tonight at Maryland...especially after the flurry of scoring the Terps put on right before the half. What does Duke do...start the second half with intense pressure on the ball, create turnovers and let their defense kick-start their offense. The crowd is taken out of the game & Duke refuses to let any Terp shot go uncontested. Result...another Duke win on the road against an always tough opponent. Until Scranton remembers how to play perimiter defense, box out & crash the boards & play the game hard from tip to final buzzer...3 wins followed by 2 losses may be the norm. Over the course of 25 games not very impressive...just like their season thus far.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 28, 2008, 06:54:03 am
Really good teams take care of business on the road...especially against teams they are simply better than talent wise. How easy it would have been for Duke to just roll-over tonight at Maryland...especially after the flurry of scoring the Terps put on right before the half. What does Duke do...start the second half with intense pressure on the ball, create turnovers and let their defense kick-start their offense. The crowd is taken out of the game & Duke refuses to let any Terp shot go uncontested. Result...another Duke win on the road against an always tough opponent. Until Scranton remembers how to play perimiter defense, box out & crash the boards & play the game hard from tip to final buzzer...3 wins followed by 2 losses may be the norm. Over the course of 25 games not very impressive...just like their season thus far.

That comparison is an apples and oranges philosophy. Major differences in the level of play, in particular, the mental toughness. Unlike D-I, these kids don't have to be out there, they want to be out there, or do they?
You should just come out and say it: Something is wrong with this team and it doesn't start with the players. Speaking of players, I find it unusual how many talented kids left the team since Danzig took over. Steele, Clarke, Clabby, McGowan. Am I missing some others? And where is Ivan Bogovich, the kid who is said to be a "rebounding machine???"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 28, 2008, 12:15:29 pm
Crusaders win both on the road.  Catholic game was tight all the way into the second half and then SU took over and Catholic tried to bully SU, but it did not work. Crusaders were up over 20 with minutes to play and finished with a solid road win. 

At Goucher the game was tight early on and featured high pace action.  SU started to pull away towards the end of the first half.  Joel Patch had three dunks on what seemed like consecutive possessions.  One a fast break alley-oop from Robinson on two Gophers.  Second half was hard played, but SU made shots and defended well. 

Any thoughts on all conf. players through the first half?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 28, 2008, 12:35:00 pm
What do you mean bully?

Physical play?  Call them mean names?  ;D

Looks like SU has really asserted itself in the conference...though I doubt anybody is getting a NCAA bid from Landmark this year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 28, 2008, 04:57:14 pm
CC: Something is certainly wrong with the Royals highly inconsistent play...hard to say exactly what it is. Every team every year faces some type of adversity due to health & injury issues...some are just tougher & more resilient than others. I saw this team play without Randy Arnold against Catholic & they played so well I think they could have knocked off Rochester that day & then the next week they can't even control the tempo against Drew with everyone back. Coaches can only push so many buttons...at some point talented kids have to take control of their own destiny. Playing hard & with a passion is not something I've seen on a consistent basis for quite some time in the Long Center & especially on the road. What was once a very promising year at the outset has certainly taken a nose dive...time for corrective action may have already passed. I'm starting to feel like the Royals are getting me prepared for how my Orioles will be playing again this year. No sooner does the season begin & talk turns to "wait till next year"!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 05:12:29 pm
What do you mean bully?

Physical play?  Call them mean names?  ;D

I believe lunch money was taken and a pantsing was involved ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 28, 2008, 06:26:02 pm
Matt,

That is one of the best freshman classes I have seen in a while.  I wouldnt be suprised if they have some special seasons ahead of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 28, 2008, 07:31:20 pm
I'm starting to feel like the Royals are getting me prepared for how my Orioles will be playing again this year. No sooner does the season begin & talk turns to "wait till next year"!

You know things are going bad when we're looking forward to Orioles baseball.  :(
I do yearn for the days of Paul Blair roaming CF again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 28, 2008, 07:42:28 pm
CC: Something is certainly wrong with the Royals highly inconsistent play...hard to say exactly what it is. Every team every year faces some type of adversity due to health & injury issues...some are just tougher & more resilient than others. I saw this team play without Randy Arnold against Catholic & they played so well I think they could have knocked off Rochester that day & then the next week they can't even control the tempo against Drew with everyone back. Coaches can only push so many buttons...at some point talented kids have to take control of their own destiny. Playing hard & with a passion is not something I've seen on a consistent basis for quite some time in the Long Center & especially on the road. What was once a very promising year at the outset has certainly taken a nose dive...time for corrective action may have already passed. I'm starting to feel like the Royals are getting me prepared for how my Orioles will be playing again this year. No sooner does the season begin & talk turns to "wait till next year"!


Great points. Royals have looked great in knocking off Walsh, Ramapo and Albright, only to get smoked by Moravian, Juniata, USMMA. Does this inconsistency stem from the coaches not preparing the kids or a lack of effort and passion? I really don't know the answer. This upcoming weekend should be interesting, if the Royals lose both games the playoffs might pass them by this year.

As far as wait till next year, can we clone Tom Bicknell?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 08:03:03 pm
I do yearn for the days of Paul Blair roaming CF again.

I doubt he has much range at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 29, 2008, 10:28:37 am
Kevin Cuffe was named player of the week scoring 28 and 14 points over the weekend.  Robinson added 16 and 25 points.  Both averaged 7 rebs as well. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 29, 2008, 10:34:27 pm
Pat: Should the O's & Seattle not pull the Bedard trade off & Baltimore does not get a healthy Adam Jones...they may consider resigning Paul Blair because even at 63 he'll still get a better jump on the ball than Jay "Which Way" Payton. Whatever happened to Oriole Magic & Purple Pride?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: suhoopster on January 31, 2008, 11:29:44 am
Patrick asked for some SU fans and gets one.  Now all I hear you talk about is Baltimore baseball.  I'm going back to the other D3 message board where our conference gets some more respect.  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 01:09:40 pm
SUHoopster: Susquehanna certainly has my respect...they've won their conference games, both at home & on the road. Talking about Oriole baseball is just a temporary release for Scranton fans like me during what used to be a pretty exciting time of year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2008, 01:25:40 pm
SUHoopster: Susquehanna certainly has my respect...they've won their conference games, both at home & on the road. Talking about Oriole baseball is just a temporary release for Scranton fans like me during what used to be a pretty exciting time of year.


Step away from the edge Saratoga! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 01:38:02 pm
Patrick asked for some SU fans and gets one.  Now all I hear you talk about is Baltimore baseball.  I'm going back to the other D3 message board where our conference gets some more respect.  ;D

Feel free to actually talk and join the conversation.

Other D-III message board -- now that's funny.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 31, 2008, 02:48:53 pm
Patrick asked for some SU fans and gets one.  Now all I hear you talk about is Baltimore baseball.  I'm going back to the other D3 message board where our conference gets some more respect.  ;D

There is another D3 message board???  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 03:55:05 pm
NEPAFAN: Excellent! It was starting to get a little crowded on the ledge anyway. Could of swore I saw Carl heading out as I was coming in!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on January 31, 2008, 03:58:19 pm
NEPAFAN: Excellent! It was starting to get a little crowded on the ledge anyway. Could of swore I saw Carl heading out as I was coming in!

Did you consider giving him a little nudge??? ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2008, 04:06:03 pm
CC: I think there are more Royal fans on NEPAFAN'S ledge than there are for the 2nd. game at the Long Center these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2008, 04:47:47 pm
NEPAFAN: Excellent! It was starting to get a little crowded on the ledge anyway. Could of swore I saw Carl heading out as I was coming in!


Couple of his players might be keeping him company!


Way to bring me to the dark side!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 01, 2008, 10:04:00 pm
What a bizarre year.  Last weekend, USMMA beat Scranton and Moravian.

Tonight, at Kings Point, Catholic beat USMMA 70-41 (!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2008, 11:29:39 pm
   Yes, I'm also surprised at the Cards' blowout win on the road(especially the 1st game of the weekend) and to a lesser extent, the Royals' win spread over Juniata. Scranton did shoot better from the 3-pt line than the foul line which was a big factor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 02, 2008, 01:28:03 am
Scranton totally dominated this game from start to finish. The final point spread was not an indicator as to really how one-sided the game was. The Royals played one of their typical we can beat "anyone" games this evening...who knows what team will show up tomorrow. Until the Royals can prove they can play as they did tonight over a sustained period of time & against good teams on the road...the jury is still out. However, when they are firing on all cylenders as they were this evening, they truly are a fun team to watch. Kudo's to Tom Bicknell for another double/double. Tomorrow the Royals pay tribute to the Scranton 1983 National Championship Team. All the former players are in town & will be honored tomorrow between the womens & mens contest. Some great pictures of games from that season where the Royals played before about 3,000 each & every home game...can't remember the last time the men packed the Long Center. I still remember the double OT victory over Widener in the MAC Championship which may be the greatest game ever played at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2008, 07:56:59 pm
I still remember the double OT victory over Widener in the MAC Championship which may be the greatest game ever played at the Long Center.

Wait, hold it. Two minor errors, 'toga. First, Scranton beat Widener in triple overtime and secondly, it was in the Mid-Atlantic Regional Final.

Still waiting for Colonel Letourneau to give us the Catholic final from today (although it won't be as quick as last night) and to see how he works in Scranton into his post.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2008, 08:32:25 pm
Eh?

Looks like Catholic lost 66-64 to Drew.  As I said yesterday, go figure.

What's Scranton got to do with it? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2008, 08:43:04 pm
Good win for the Royals on a day when they were without their senior all conference point guard. Lots going on at the Long Center today, I wonder if Bess had his '83 team visit  the locker room for a pep talk?



....Hoping 'toga and Carl have taken two big steps back from the ledge.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 02, 2008, 11:07:49 pm
That's strange. I had two karma points taken away since my last post. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure who the culprit(s) were.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2008, 03:09:46 pm
CC: You are certainly correct...the UofS/Widener game was Triple OT not "double" as I posted & it was the Regional Final. For being such a good editor...if you recently lost karma..then I'll bring you back somewhat & give you the bonus you deserve. The Royals played back to back games with fire in their eyes & some very good defense...nice to see Royals basketball of old being played for 40 minutes. Also great to see the entire 1983 National Championship Team honored between games...quite a few look like they can stll play. Now if the Royals can take these two wins & build on them for the last 5 games...perhaps snowballs do have a chance in hell. NEPAFAN, two big steps back is about right...now were back in the room at least. Still a pretty big line out there though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2008, 04:06:50 pm
No worries. According to the radio broadcast yesterday Scranton is getting a 7 footer from South Africa... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2008, 04:40:39 pm
NEPAFAN: A 7 footer from South Africa would be nice...but, I'd be just as happy with another 6'6" kid from Austraila. Speaking of the Land Down Under...Tom Bicknell has to be hands down First Team All-Landmark. He must have 14 double/doubles all ready & bangs all game long against multiple bigs from the opposition. His numbers should also get some very serious consideration for post season honors on the National scene.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2008, 04:55:40 pm
NEPAFAN, 'Toga, it has just come to my attention that another karma point has been removed. Obviously some people south of the Mason-Dixon line.......eh, I believe it's called childish??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2008, 05:07:56 pm
CC: Not to worry...we've got you covered. As the sun rises in in east...so shall there be Karma.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 03, 2008, 05:13:51 pm
Cool! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2008, 06:50:51 pm
It's been pointed out that people who complain about karma tend to lose it.

I think you've lost a lot more than one karma point over 24 hours (and gained some as well), so must be more than one person smiting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2008, 08:01:30 pm
This weekend schedule makes for some sllloooooow weeks.....


I can start some All Conference talk , feel free to add..


From the Royals....


C Bicknell
G Ashworth
G Arnold ( even with nagging injury)





Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2008, 09:59:51 pm
From the Gophers:
G - Darrin Boswell
F - Marcus Cotton
F - Cameron Brown (maybe)

Susquehanna -
G/F - Josh Robinson
F - Kevin Cuff

Just some thoughts from teams I have seen. I know I have seen others, but I know Goucher and those names from Susquehanna jumped out at me.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 06, 2008, 12:04:32 pm
I'll agree on Robinson/Cuff, and add Joel Patch to the mix.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2008, 10:48:00 pm
I thought about Joel Patch as well... but notice a lot of off games stats wise. I certainly haven't seen them all, but I was curious if it is that consistent for all-conference recognition.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 07, 2008, 09:39:00 pm

Quite a few really good guards this season. Randy Arnolds injury causing him to miss playing time will probably cost him a First Team selection. I see Tom Bicknell as a lock at center & Josh Robinson as the other unanimous choice at guard. Some other kids that have been impressive when I've seen them this year are guards Chris Lopez of Drew, Darrin Boswell of Goucher & Chris Earley of Moravian. Some of the bigs that have played tough are both Patch & Cuff of Susquehanna, Brian Cannon of Juniata & Quinn of Catholic. I think for the contributions he's made thus far, Zach Ashworth would have my vote for Rookie of the Year. I'm sure there are a few good kids at USMMA...just havn't seen them yet. That said, I certainly hope they don't have someone that goes for 30 Sunday vs. the Royals & nails a 3 or slams down a put-back at the buzzer to defeat the Royals to make sure we now have a USMMA name to remember.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2008, 02:23:08 pm
So it's official. We will have one team made up of eight players. Bicknell, Cannon and three players each from SU and Goucher who have a combined 16-22 record, even though the players from the latter two schools "jump out" at some.
Good thing nobody on here gets a vote. Geeeeeeeeesh.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2008, 04:22:30 pm
CC: Slow down a little...what I said was that I see Tom Bicknell & Josh Robinson as unanimous choices...the other names I mentioned were kids that I said I've seen & were impressive. I was not picking an overall squad. The only other pick(besides Bicknell & Robinson) I mentioned was Zach Ashworth for ROY. On another topic...how bout' the O's pulling the Bedard trade off? Personally, I think McPhail robbed Seattle blind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2008, 04:27:32 pm
If you have an opinion, feel free to give it rather than just trashing the result ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2008, 05:22:33 pm
Cold Case's All Conference Team


G Randy Arnold
G/F Billy Bessior
F Tom Kraus
F Andy Holup
C Irv Johnson


Honorable Mention : Tom Bicknell
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2008, 05:37:25 pm
So it's official. We will have one team made up of eight players. Bicknell, Cannon and three players each from SU and Goucher who have a combined 16-22 record, even though the players from the latter two schools "jump out" at some.
Good thing nobody on here gets a vote. Geeeeeeeeesh.
Hey cold case... I believe some one asked what players could be considered for the teams. There were responses but no one said their picks were for sure, except for saratoga's unanimous thoughts on Robinson and Bicknell. Heck, even one of mine was a "maybe".

Glad you actually read things carefully before you post! Those are "suggestions" and obviously not all of use have seen everyone play!

-k!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 08, 2008, 05:49:44 pm
If you have an opinion, feel free to give it rather than just trashing the result ...

I'm not trashing the result. In my opinion the Orioles pulled off a major Brinks job. I hope.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2008, 09:51:14 pm
Yet another head scratcher for the Royals against USMMA. Royals lead by about 5 with under ten minutes left, Arnold gets T'd up and the rest is history.

Up and down , and down once again, they still are fighting for the playoffs...



Would love to get some opinions on how the players/coaches are liking the back to back weekend schedule....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2008, 11:28:18 pm
Nothing really complicated...the Royals simply left another one slip away. Senior day, Tom Bicknell's family in from Austraila, a must win game at HOME trying to secure the faint chance of a home playoff game & the same kids that hurt them at Kings Point killed them again today. All season long the lack of perimeter defense has haunted the Royals...today was just another chapter. The real kicker is that the night before Moravian clocked this team by 30 something...and held them WITHOUT a 3 pointer in the first half. As has happened generally all season against decent, good, pretty good & very good teams...the Royals were lit up like a Christmas tree. Instead of fighting for an outside chance of hosting a playoff game...the Royals are now simply hoping to be the 4th. team in. And with the final 3 games on the road, their margin for error is right around zero. I certainly hope the Royals are recruiting bigs, bigs & more bigs for next year as
I see absolutly no post presence after Tom graduates this year. No inside game...good luck!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2008, 08:45:23 pm
Agree on the post presence. Here is hoping they bring in a banger and a bruiser...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2008, 10:29:27 am
What does bringing in a low post presence, a banger, a brusier, have to do with the perimeter defense being so pathetic?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2008, 12:37:10 pm
CC: I'm not sure if you are posing that question to me or not...but, I'll answer it anyway. They are two very different issues...the lack of perimeter defense has everything to do with this current edition of the Royals while the need for a "post" presence is predicated on the imminent graduation of Tom Bicknell. Since the Royals rotation does not include another true post player, once Tom leaves this year...good luck finding the rebounds & points in the paint should another..."bruser/banger" that can actually have an inpact not be found. My hunch is that's what NEPAFAN was inferring. The Royals interrior defense is solid, it's the slow switches, the poor rotation & soft man to man that has killed the Royals all year. Look, when you are making the same mistakes in your LAST conference HOME game (USMMA) as you did in your FIRST conference HOME game (Moravian) then that about sums up where any team will be...middle of the pack or lower. The really good teams keep improving & develop at least a basic consistency...the Royals have certainly shown flashes & the potential is there...it just seems the effort goes south just when you think they've figured it out.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 14, 2008, 02:32:46 pm
In a nutshell, toga,
The lack of Canio is a reason for the porous defense; NEPAFAN has no clue; they may bring in a big kid who is experienced and talented; don't forget Luke Hawk, who is a beast on the glass and Bogovitch, who is out for the season. This kid is tough.
Title: Scranton Royals
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2008, 06:09:09 pm
Even though, I am "clueless". Here are my thoughts:

There is no disputing that the Royal defense is off this year. The stats don't lie. Is this due to Canio? Did he leave the Royal coaching staff with nothing, can't Danzig teach the kids just the same? Does his defensive philosphy only work when it comes from his mouth? Or is there something else going on here?


Next year will be intersting, you've got a ton of talent in Fitzpatrick, Ashworth, and Luke Hawk. The big question will be what the frontcourt looks like.


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 14, 2008, 11:32:51 pm
CC: You mention Luke Hawk & Ivan Bogovitch...from what I've heard, pretty good kids with projected talent that will certainly challenge for playing time next season. However, neither of these kids play or have played with their back to the basket. Again, no projected post presence from anyone on the current roster. This current crop of returning Royals simply doesn't take their defense seriously enough to push the opposing offense around, box out bigger kids or simply play defense with a purpose & a passion. Until it finally clicks that defense wins games, these Royals will struggle. It's really too bad because with their offensive potential...a consistantly good defense (not a great one ) would have easily picked up at least 4-5 additional wins this season. Call me clueless as well...but, the men in purple need someone in the paint that can play so next years opposition can't just force the Royals further & further from the basket & make them live & die from jump shots. Tom Bicknell has given the Royals the opportunity to play inside/out with kids like FitzPatrick, Ashworth, Arnold & Kirk...who fills that void next year on this roster?











it's really too bad
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2008, 11:39:12 pm
Interesting game at DuFour tonight.  Scranton won 65-50, but it was a tale of two halves.  Scranton led 40-21 at halftime behind some flat out unbelieveable shooting--they made TEN 3 pointers in the first half, including 7 in a row.  A few of them were open looks, but some of them were just flat out great shooting.  There really wasn't much Catholic could do.

So it look like it would be a blowout, but the second half played out much differently.  Catholic ended up outscoring Scranton 29-25, and played much much better defense, forcing 10 turnovers.  Frankly, if they hadn't been so God Awful at the free throw line (6-14), this might have been a real game.   It didn't help that the Cardinals were 2-16 (!)om the three point line, either.   

Obviously, a 15 point loss is not a good thing...but lets face it, Scranton's in a much different place in terms of upperclassmen.   At least Catholic took the punch, survived the barrage and played 40 minutes of basketball and made the Royals work for it.   They did a very effective job on the full court trap and Scranton got frustrated and never got much of anything going inside.  The bus ride home wasn't as pleasant as it could have been.

Weren't too many offensive bright spots for the Cardinals, other than Banzhof...who I think is hands down the Landmark Rookie of the Year (I'll spell out my case later, but consider this: of the top 10 leading scorers in the league, he's the only one who will even be playing next year, the rest are seniors). 

As for Scranton--frankly, I don't get why they are so 3 point happy.  Now I haven't seem them this year, so those that follow them can feel free to correct me, but...Sure, they'll have halves like today's when they make everything and therefore will blow people out, but what happens when they're cold.  When they're on like tonight, you wonder how they can lose to anybody, but once Catholic really took away the three and Scranton tried to go inside, I understood why they have some bad losses.  Seems to me they have the personnel to dominate more inside, but even tonight they got outrebounded.  Catholic freshman C Chris McGrew handled the Scranton bigs pretty well off the bench, though he did pick up 4 fouls (2 of them weren't related to interior defense though).

Be nice for Catholic to end the season on a high note, but it will be tough with Moravian coming in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 01:15:23 am
Matt: The reality is Scranton simply tries to take advantage of where the opportunities present themselves. Of course there are going to be nights where they can't buy a basket & on those days they will flat out look bad...but, if they at least attempt to play defense...they may still pull one out. On the other hand, if they collectivly are missing, fail to include the post in the offense & forget to play defense...they'll get some of the ugliest losses ever devised...& trust me, they have far too many of them already. The unfortunate thing for the Royals is at this late point in the season I'm not even sure they know who they are...are they the team that can blast an otherwise very good team on the road by 20 or do they go through the motions & lose to an otherwise weak team by 15? Bottom line...they are much better than they've played...yet, they are far too unpredictable to have any sort of faith in what they'll do from one game to the next. All things considered...a 15 point win on the road...even against a bunch of freshmen...thank you very much...next! By the way...is it true that even with a 20+ point lead...Scranton somehow was at a 9-2 disadvantage in fouls by the 14 minute mark in the 2nd. half? Life on the road can be, shall we say, interesting.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 01:25:45 am
Matt,
   Generally agree with your assessment of game tonight, although I would call the Cards' perimeter defense evan softer in the 1st half than you did.
   AS for Scranton's inside game, they've had just enough success from the outside that they don't look for Bicknell inside. He works hard enough to get open, but they don't give him enough touches. They're lucky he doesn't complain about it  Your supposed to get it inside first for outside jumpers, anyhow.
   2nd half CU pressured ball well, had some steals, offensive rebounds, loose balls but shooting betrayed them.   Came over at game end to meet you, but scoreboard operator said you had left by then.
  Royals may need to win out to make playoffs since they lose tie-breaker with MMA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 01:29:28 am
Yeah, but frankly it was because of their own stubborness.  They kept getting called for fouls on inbound plays.  The refs were telling them not to hold jerseys and release the guy they were defending when the ball was inbounded, and time after time, they weren't doing it (or at least the zebras didn't think they were).  Finally, the refs just shrugged as if to say "we warned you" and just started blowing the whistle.  After a couple of those, they got the message and went hands up.  Simple.  I'm sure they felt like they were being targeted, but you have to adjust to what the officials are going to call, and they obviously were calling that.  

As frequently happens, the fouls evened out during the stretch--I think it went from 9-2 to 9-6 pretty quickly.  At the end of the day, Scranton was +2 in free throws, and fouls were dead even at 19.  Not much to complain about for a road game, particularly when you consider that Scranton spent the first half basically shooting up bombs (you aren't going to get to the line doing that, nor do you need to when you are hitting them).

Besides, that's nothing--at home against Juanita a few weeks ago, with 3:00 left in the 2nd half, Juanita had been called for a grand total of TWO fouls.  That's right, 2 fouls in 17:00.  On the road.  Catholic was down something like 8 or 9-2.  I was furious--Catholic's not a jump shooting team, they were going inside consistently.   And that was a close game that ended up being decided in OT.

Life at HOME can be interesting too.

Well, good luck to the Royals down the stretch.  Hope we give you some better games next year--I think we've got the talent to do that, just need some more seasoning.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 01:34:20 am
Matt,
   Generally agree with your assessment of game tonight, although I would call the Cards' perimeter defense evan softer in the 1st half than you did.
   

Ahhh...yeah...no argument here.  Ugh.  Though in fairness, the way Arnold was shooting, I don't know if it would have mattered.

Catholic is lacking in having a guy like that this year.  Its strange...Nick Oliverio shot 38% from 3 last year and was deftinitely going to be the clutch guy from downtown.  This year he's at 29%.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:36:03 am
Ah Matt... you and your thoughts on officiating. Priceless?!

Just curious, my friend, since when does "going inside" automatically mean fouls will be called. If a team isn't fouling, they aren't fouling!

Tonight at the SRC, I was wishing the refs would put the whistles away. There were a LOT of calls in the Moravian-Goucher game. Both halves went to double-bounce free-throw shooting, first time I have seen that I think all season! Now, that being said, they could have made plenty more calls. It was a very aggressive game with Goucher playing tough, full-court basketball to get back in the game in the first half and nearly pull off the upset in the 2nd. So... I can't complain about the calls. Three guys for both teams fouled out of the game and there could have been more.

NOW, that all being said, there were some HORRIBLE calls, both ways! It just didn't help that the head ref, who is a new guy who I actually like and I think calls a great game, was pair with an average fellow and an older one who honestly needs to retire. I know all three, just can't remember their names.

I look forward to seeing Scranton on Sunday... and then Matt, another classic on Saturday!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 01:48:53 am
Yeah but they WERE fouling in that game.  Quinn was getting killed inside.  And look--you and I both know that its physically impossible to play 17 minutes of defense while committing 2 fouls, especially if your opponent is constantly trying to score inside. 

In tonight's game, the officiating was unremarkable.  Which probably means good.  If I was a Scranton fan, during that particular stretch I would have probably been irritated, but as I said, at the end of the day things ended up pretty much even.

Btw...how does "I cant complain about the calls" equate with "there were some HORRIBLE calls," in the next sentence, my friend??? (I know, didn't change the outcome...just had to give it back a little bit).

Unrelated note:  I left out the best part of the Catholic game.  Former American Idol finalist (and CUA student) Antonella Barba sang the National Anthem.  She did a really nice job.  Now of course Pat Coleman's National Anthems are certainly the most notable in CUA history, but I must say, Antonella is better looking.

(I was surprised she even came back to school.  Must have wanted to visit those monuments.)

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 11:41:38 am
Matt... it isn't impossible to go that long without a foul being called. It is in your mind, because you and most Catholic fans think a foul should be called on every possession and every time a player is breathed on when the Cardinals are on offense. Though, that isn't the case when they are on defense.  ;D

As for my comment... I'm not complaining about the officiating, I am simply stating there were some horrible calls. Anyone there would admit that, but not complaining about it. There was one call where one of Goucher's guard last night hooked his defender so badly with his free-arm that he actually placed his hand on the defenders "buttocks" keeping him from following the guard. He did it three or so times and everyone in gym knew he had done it. Twice, no calls. Third time, defender was called for blocking. Horrible call - fact. However, not complaining about it. Just pointing it out. It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game :).

Now, with all that being stated, I have actually been impressed with the officiating in the Mid-Atlantic Region this year. There are still some refs out there that either need to go or need to reevaluate how they call a game. However, there are several new refs who are younger and seem to have a better idea of how the game is played and should be called. They also seem less likely to be intimidated by the older refs and don't tend to change their styles.

As for the games, I was only some-what impressed with Moravian. They certainly have a talented team, but they really struggled with Goucher's pressure defense, especially when it was at its full-court best. Moravian, like many teams that haven't faced Goucher ever, or in a long time, aren't used to the type of defense the Gophers play, or some other teams in the CAC. That will take some getting used to - especially how to prepare for it.

Moravian hit some huge three's at the beginning of the first half to get out to a big lead. But Goucher turned up the pressure and clawed back into the game. It was a tight game at the half and Moravian decided to come out shooting three's in the second half, including trying to hit the shots just after breaking the press with essentially a 3-on-2 situation. It worked early on and then fell apart. Three's allowed them to keep the lead or get the lead back several times, but they weren't back-breakers.

Also, Moravian was lousy on the boards. At the half, Goucher was beating thing 22-16. I haven't seen Goucher beat teams on the boards all season, since the Gophers are usually sizeably smaller. But the Greyhounds just didn't do a good job on the boards and seemed to be out hussled on more than a few occasions.

Nothing against the Greyhounds, but if they make the NCAA tournament, depending on who they face up against, it may be an early exit. I think Susquehanna is a better team, but they have a tougher resume to prove to the NCAA they deserve a Pool B bid.

Heading to the SRC in a few hours to catch some of the women's game and then the men's against Scranton. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 12:38:59 pm
Matt... it isn't impossible to go that long without a foul being called. It is in your mind, because you and most Catholic fans think a foul should be called on every possession and every time a player is breathed on when the Cardinals are on offense. Though, that isn't the case when they are on defense.  ;D

Perhaps it's time to let 1999 go and stop painting people with a broad brush.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 12:40:55 pm
Pat... not refering to 1999. I listen to most CUA fans at games I attend that they play at. Heck, at the SRC they are yelling directly behind me! Also... I did add a  ;D!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 12:46:11 pm
"you and most Catholic fans" is a blatantly biased comment, Dave. You should know better than to paint any fan base with one overarching statement.

Especially since, at the games I've been at this year (95% of which did not involve Catholic), other fan bases behave the exact same way. So why single out one group?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 12:51:11 pm
Matt,
  Like I said before, my friend did the game last night, so  i'll take your description(unremarkable) as praise for the job. I was at the Scranton end line in the 2nd half and there wasn't anything questionable down there. I didn't have a good view of the CU end, but he told the Scranton staff that they were holding on the in bounds plays and after 2 calls, they stopped. Some of the hard-core are irritated with a 9-2 deficit in fouls on the road, but in this case, it looked legit to me.                                                                 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:07:39 pm
Pat, don't disagree with the fact that lots of fans in many places are similar. Heck, Moravians fans last night were irate at a game I thought was fairly officiated, though not perfect. Heck, I ever heard them commenting/heckling my comment "team is over the limit" when both teams had more than 10 fouls in the half!

One of my biggest pet-peeves is fans who complain during games about officiating when it isn't warranted. It makes it seems like fans have no idea the actual rules of a game. Also, it doesn't represent the school very well.

I have been to several games this season where I left shaking my head about another teams fans (both at the SRC and other locations). It truely is embarrassing sometimes.

As for my comment... it was directed at a CUA fan and about a CUA fan. I am not off-based with my thought since I usually hear everything CUA fans say at a game because either I sit immediately in front of them at the SRC or next to them at the DuFour Center. Matt and I have had disagreements during games when sitting next to each other. Also, the ";D" was to indicate I was just having a little bit of fun with Matt and don't take me completely seriously. I still stand by my point that I was having some fun with a comment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:15:02 pm
By the way, to be "unbias"... there is one particular fan for Goucher that is notorious for thinking every call on offense should be called and nothing on defense for the Gophers should be called. Nothing I can do about that fan, unfortunetly. I have tried to indicate at times my thoughts on the officiating so that fan understands that I think the comments and yelling are off-based, but it doesn't seem to stick.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:24:01 pm
Aren't all fans the same in regards to thinking their team(s) are getting a "home job" by the officials, albeit both road teams (Moravian and Scranton) won last night?
Dave, I was shocked to hear you say that the Moravian fans were "irate." In all honesty, when in God's name did Moravian ever have fans on a road trip before?
Colonel Matt, I read your post and many of us are starting to wonder if you're going to toss inuendos about officiating everytime Catholic loses? You sound like another Colonel from the Freeom board whenever his school drops a contest.
On a personal note, I commend kids at high-tech, academic D-III conference like the Landmark and others for the simple reason that they don't have to be out there, they want to be. This is not D-I and I don't really want to say anymore about the upper division(s).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:26:03 pm
Pat, is the Wes Parker at CUA any relation to the Wes Parker that played for the Dodgers in the 1960's and early '70's???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 01:32:16 pm
cold case - yes... there were Moravian fans at the game, though the number certainly shrunk when the women's team left around halftime. There were quite a few sitting behind me and I think quite a number on the other side of the gym as well.

Though, Merchant Marine probably has the best turnout so far this season at the SRC. Susquehanna has a very large contingent and I would expect the same from CUA next weekend. Wonder how many may come from Scranton today (since it's right now I-81 to I-83 to I-695... ok, maybe not "right down", though the trip south is primarily right hand turns!)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 17, 2008, 01:55:52 pm
When I went to see the O's for a set of games, I remember getting off Exit 29A I believe. There was a Holiday Inn at the corner by the light on Joppa Road, which is where we stayed. Across the street was the Fabulous Bel Loc Diner (good food), and Pollock Johnny's was on Joppa. More good eats. I also remember the Colts practicing down the road a piece at, I think it was Goucher College. I remember the campus set off into the woods, nice and quiet. Perhaps it wasn't Goucher, but I'm pretty sure it was.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 02:04:06 pm
cold case - that is old school!

The Bel Loc Diner remains and the Holiday Inn I think you are referencing is a bit around the corner on Crownville Bridge Road, but I suggest you NOT stay there if you come down - long story. There are plenty of other options.

As for where the Colts practiced, I believe you are right. I know the Colts trained at Goucher College once upon a time! Though, the campus and the facilities have changed since you were there :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 02:06:24 pm
Pat, is the Wes Parker at CUA any relation to the Wes Parker that played for the Dodgers in the 1960's and early '70's???

If so, his bio doesn't mention it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 04:46:17 pm

Colonel Matt, I read your post and many of us are starting to wonder if you're going to toss inuendos about officiating everytime Catholic loses? You sound like another Colonel from the Freeom board whenever his school drops a contest.


I'm confused.  What did I say about yesterday's contest that you consider innuendo?  If anything, I was defending the officiating.  I said it was "unremarkable," which ronk correctly interpreted as a good thing, because it is.  I'll say it again, more clearly if it helps: the officiating in yesterday's game was fair and played absolutely no role in the outcome.  There were a handful of calls that partisans from either side could probably complain about, but that is the case in every game I've ever seen. 



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2008, 04:59:53 pm
Half Time

Scranton  43
Goucher   35


Catholic   39
Moravian  36
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 06:18:26 pm
Catholic beat Moravian 85-79.

Cardinals were led by SHOULD-BE-Rookie of the Year Jason Banzhaf's 20 points.   They shot 55% for the game and were 7-12 from 3.  Nick Olivero regained his shot, with 18 points (3-5 from 3).  Catholic was 18-26 from the free throw line, too.

What a nice way to end the season at home.  I think we've clearly diagnosed their problem--me! (Couldn't make the game today). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 07:32:54 pm
Just got back from the Scranton/Goucher game...first, the officiating in both games was pretty good. There were no calls that made anyone jump up & take exception. In the womens game it was pretty much over at the half & the kids from both schools seemed to be getting along...some kids sharing laughs with each other during breaks in the game...some really nice sportsmanship. The mens game was a game of runs by both teams & did get a little physical at times but, never did it even remotely appear the game was getting out of control. With a minute & a half to go it was anyones game...then Randy Arnold hit a big shot, the Royals finally put together a great defensive stop & Tom Bicknell got a huge rebound on the miss & then made his foul shots. A real nice following of Lady Royal & Royal fans to Washington & Baltimore/Towson this weekend. Lastly, I would like to add that many of us that made the trip down were very impressed with the facilities at Goucher...a nice atmosphere for a game...certainly far better than some of the dungeons we've had to play in through the years in the MAC.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2008, 07:39:57 pm
Just got back from the Scranton/Goucher game...first, the officiating in both games was pretty good. There were no calls that made anyone jump up & take exception. In the womens game it was pretty much over at the half & the kids from both schools seemed to be getting along...some kids sharing laughs with each other during breaks in the game...some really nice sportsmanship. The mens game was a game of runs by both teams & did get a little physical at times but, never did it even remotely appear the game was getting out of control. With a minute & a half to go it was anyones game...then Randy Arnold hit a big shot, the Royals finally put together a great defensive stop & Tom Bicknell got a huge rebound on the miss & then made his foul shots. A real nice following of Lady Royal & Royal fans to Washington & Baltimore/Towson this weekend. Lastly, I would like to add that many of us that made the trip down were very impressed with the facilities at Goucher...a nice atmosphere for a game...certainly far better than some of the dungeons we've had to play in through the years in the MAC.


Bicknell had a monster game, perhaps his best as a Royal. Big play down the strech , with two minutes or so left: Brendan Fuller after throwing the ball in the hands of a Goucher player, hustles back down the court and steals the ball. Zach Ashworth then drains a big three to put the Royals up by 4. It appears to be very tough to win on the Road thus far in the Landmark. You really have to watch out for those landmines!

Moravian, Juniata, and Susquehanna ( lost to DREW!) tied for first. Scranton now in the last playoff spot...plenty of time to sort out tie-breakers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 08:19:09 pm
NEPAFAN: Got to meet Tom's family at the Goucher game today as they stayed in all week since last Sat's. Senior Day. Great people & as you stated...got to see him play another huge game. Well, three teams with 4 losses & the Royals with 5...they're in...just a matter of seeing how things shake out after next Sat.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on February 17, 2008, 08:57:17 pm
Hey, Saratoga - does the great facility at Goucher help em play any better?  Sooo sorry for the "dungeons" you all had to tolerate through your years in the MAC - good grief!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 10:13:52 pm
kate - those facilities do make the Gophers play better!  ;D :P

Scranton fans - nice to see all of you at the SRC! I was happy to actually meet a few of you one on one (those who came up to me as I was running around :)) and those who quickly said hello as you were leaving. I certainly looked forward to meeting new fans and seeing a new atmosphere in this conference, and many teams did not disappoint!

Also, thanks for the kinds words from a few of you. I do appreciate it!

As for the game... let me get back to you... I am working to get Hoopsville's (http://"http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville") archives up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 10:18:54 pm
What a nice way to end the season at home.  I think we've clearly diagnosed their problem--me! (Couldn't make the game today). 
Matt... any chance we can talk you into coming to the SRC on Saturday, then?!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 10:27:34 pm
   Good weekend going 4-0 on the road. Royals were almost as hot shooting in opening minutes against Goucher as they were last nite. Between good 3-pt shooting and Tom Bicknell getting baskets down low both from good passes and his own offensive board work, they jumped ahead 19-9 and held it until tied somewhere around 51.
 Goucher was aggressive and athletic, as advertised, although with no one who could contend with Tom Bicknell. They had a decent press but Scranton was effective in breaking it They came back mostly thru effective inside work on offense. They got as close as 1 down with the ball and 1:35 left but a tough driving layup by Ryan,  a big 3-pter by Zach and sets of fouf shots from Randy, Zach, and Tom, and good defense on Goucher's last 3 possessions provided the victory.
   Many good screens set by Royals throughout the play including 2 for Tom on sideline inbound plays. A refreshing change.
  Met Mr. Bicknell, a friendly gracious man, just like his son. We're lucky Tom came our way, both as player and student.
  Met Prof Harry Dammer, analysis guy on Royals internet radio. I, as an internet listener, count on Harry to let me know when the Royals aren't playing as well as they can.
  Finally, met d-mac, top-notch PA man at Goucher, and host of the Hoopsville show on this site.
  Yes, a good weekend.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2008, 10:30:28 pm
ronk - pleasure meeting you... sorry I couldn't chat longer, job gets in the way sometimes.

Impressed with your team... though I now want to know more about why the team doesn't have a better record!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 10:58:33 pm
  In general, I would say mainly a lack of effort in the Moravian game, Saratoga can probably tell about the other 2 home losses, but nobody knows about the 5 losses on the road. Most games that Arnold missed, we won anyhow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 17, 2008, 11:07:00 pm
  Saratoga,
    didn't know u were going to be there today or else I would have looked u up also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2008, 11:51:40 pm
What a nice way to end the season at home.  I think we've clearly diagnosed their problem--me! (Couldn't make the game today). 
Matt... any chance we can talk you into coming to the SRC on Saturday, then?!  ;D

Well, lucky for you, you might get your wish.   We're planning on making the trip--all three of us.  So be prepared for a budding marathon man running up and down the sidelines.  He likes the action on the court, but not the yelling--so when he's with me at games, its a new and improved daddy who sits there quietly, even with the officials blow a call.  (It kills me.)  Fortunately, mommy takes him for walks, so daddy can get some things off his chest.  (I'm mostly kidding, with the exception of really two calls all year (the intentional foul called on Stolz against Goucher, and the non-call when he was mauled shooting a made three against Juanitia), I really haven't been all that riled up about anything all year anyway--and both of those calls were made by the same official). 

I'm sorry I missed the Scranton people, too.  Would have liked to meet. 

I will say that top to bottom, I've been impressed with the conference, and the fan bases that have turned out for road games.  I didn't get to any road games this year--just can't do certain things with a one year old--but I hope to in the future.   Catholic has a good nucleus of young players now, and if most of them stay with it for a couple of years, I think we'll really have something special which could make for some nice road trips.

 I think play has been more consistent.  Landmark teams are more disciplined than some in the CAC.  There were some nights when you could just tell that a certain team flat out didn't care and the 5 guys out there were not even trying to play together.  You aren't going to get that in this league--sure, there will be upsets and not everybody is going to play well every night, but I think the "quality" from top to bottom is better.  The teams are well coached with good kids.  I don't think we'll have any Jerome Habel's popping up for 12 games and then getting busted dealing drugs.  (Btw...that kid blew another chance at SDSU this year...shocking).



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 17, 2008, 11:52:43 pm
Ronk & Dave: Would have loved to meet you both as well...just had to head back into Baltimore's harbor right after the game to meet up with my wife & daughter who decided they needed to do a bit more shopping. Thanks to the Great State of New York...off tomorrow so we stayed an extra night. Even if the Royals didn't win...we had a great time & obviously both Goucher & Catholic have a great nucleus for next season. Dave, you too are perplexed by the Royals record when you get to see them play some decent ball? It starts & ends with their defensive effort...when they come to play they can beat anyone anywhere...when they get lazy...they lose horribly...even at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2008, 01:18:11 pm
'toga, why don't you just come clean and admit you stood overnight so you can beat the rush at the ticket window at Camden Yards. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 18, 2008, 03:17:40 pm
Here is why Jason Banzhaf, hands down, should be the Landmark Conference Rookie of the Year:

He's averaging 11.8 points per game, 10th in the league.  He is the ONLY non-senior in the top 10.
 
He's averaging 6.7 rebounds per game, 7th in the league.  Highest ranked freshman.

He's shooting 54%, 3rd in the league.  He is the ONLY non-upperclassman in the top 15.  In fact, the top 15 is comprised of 13 seniors, 1 junior and Jason.

He is 9th in the league in FT percentage (.750).  Also the highest ranking freshman.

I think Jason's only real competition is Zach Ashworth, who is certainly having a nice year, too.  Its obviously hard to compare a guard to a forward, but Jason's better in PPG (11.8-10.5), and shoots for a much higher percentage (54% to 42%).

Despite being a forward, Jason is still an excellent 3 point shooter--40% this year.  Again, better than Ashworth.

And I think you have to strongly consider Jason's rebounding efforts against the big boys in this league.  For a freshman, he has more than held his own against bigger, older and stronger bodies all year long.

And frankly, he hasn't had all that much help around him, so the pressure has been on him to perform.  Ashworth has actually played slightly more minutes, so they've both had equal opportunity to put up numbers. 

I'd be extremely disappointed if Jason didn't win Rookie of the Year.  He deserves it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 18, 2008, 03:25:13 pm
Can anyone tell me why Josh Robinson missed the past two games?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2008, 05:23:38 pm
Word I have heard is he is out with a season ending injury, but I don't know the details.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 18, 2008, 11:38:33 pm
CC: I have to admit...I did make the pilgrimage to OPACY this afternoon. Matt: I certainly don't think Jason has the ROY award hands down by any means. He's certainly had a really nice season for a team that has not won too many games. On the other hand, Zach Ashworth has stepped in as a freshman and made huge contributions to the Royals this year both when Randy Arnold was hurt & since his return. Just this weekend he averaged 15 ppg. vs. Catholic & Goucher...handled the ball well against the Goucher press & has nailed huge free throws in games that have a bit more significance since the Royals are fighting for a playoff spot. Against Scranton on Sat. Jason scored 10 & Zach had 16 including three 3's. against Catholic. All things considered...a co-ROY would not be a bad thing. Both these kids have very bright futures ahead of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 19, 2008, 12:08:29 am
    Only scenario in which Royals finish 3rd instead of 4th finds them(9-5) beating Moravian(9-5) and Susquehanna(10-4) beating Juniata(9-5). In tiebreaker for 2-4, all 3 2-2 in head to head. Next, in record vs 1st place, royals and moravian 1-1, juniata 0-2 to finish 4 seed. tie between royals and moravian for 2-3 broken by moravian better record against mma 1-1 vs royals 0-2., as i perceive it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 19, 2008, 08:49:45 am
Only scenario in which Royals finish 3rd instead of 4th finds them(9-5) beating Moravian(9-5) and Susquehanna(10-4) beating Juniata(9-5). In tiebreaker for 2-4, all 3 2-2 in head to head. Next, in record vs 1st place, royals and moravian 1-1, juniata 0-2 to finish 4 seed. tie between royals and moravian for 2-3 broken by moravian better record against mma 1-1 vs royals 0-2., as i perceive it.

That sounds eerily familiar regarding how I explained it to NEPAFAN. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2008, 01:21:57 pm
    Only scenario in which Royals finish 3rd instead of 4th finds them(9-5) beating Moravian(9-5) and Susquehanna(10-4) beating Juniata(9-5). In tiebreaker for 2-4, all 3 2-2 in head to head. Next, in record vs 1st place, royals and moravian 1-1, juniata 0-2 to finish 4 seed. tie between royals and moravian for 2-3 broken by moravian better record against mma 1-1 vs royals 0-2., as i perceive it.

What can I say? I am sllllloooow.


Okay, since I don't want to see the Royals go play Moravian ( we they are 10-0 at home). In what scenario would Scranton play at SU or Juniata?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2008, 10:17:05 pm
Dave: Since you've recently seen both the Greyhounds & Royals play at Goucher...just wondering what your take is as both teams get set to square off Sat. in a game that has some implications regarding seeding. It's been quite awhile since I've seen Moravian...but, in that game, they torched the Royals seemingly at will from all over the court. Scranton has certainly put together some nice games since then...but, they are also a team that still lacks a killer instinct & that's not a good thing this late in the season. Thoughts from your vantage point?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2008, 12:06:21 am
NEPA,
  royals and juniata win - juniata is 1, royals 4 because of mma(2 losses)
  moravian and sus win - sus is 1 cuz 2 wins vs jun, royals 4

  moravian and jun win - mor is 1 cuz jun loss to goucher, jun 2, sus 3 royals 4 so

 royals @ jun under 1st scenario
            @ sus under 2nd
            @ mor under 3rd

if i got it right.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 20, 2008, 12:21:09 am
the kids from both schools seemed to be getting along...some kids sharing laughs with each other during breaks in the game...some really nice sportsmanship.

Saratoga,
   I noticed the same thing - refreshing break from constant in your face of recent years; they may have been discussing the music played during the breaks; I was pumped hearing Jessica(Allman Bros) a few times, myself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on February 20, 2008, 03:36:24 pm
Any predictions of what will happen in playoffs? I know we do not have the matchups set yet, but does anyone have any predictions? Who are the two best teams right now?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2008, 07:05:17 pm
Thanks for explaining the various scenarios, Ronk. Moravian is undefeated at home and that scares me a bit. Regardless of the final weekend's outcome, the Royals are going to need to be road warriors in the playoffs. That being said, I think that all four playoffs teams could beat one another on any give night. I think it is too early to predict, but it should be a very interesting playoff week.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2008, 08:29:54 pm
Dave: Since you've recently seen both the Greyhounds & Royals play at Goucher...just wondering what your take is as both teams get set to square off Sat. in a game that has some implications regarding seeding. It's been quite awhile since I've seen Moravian...but, in that game, they torched the Royals seemingly at will from all over the court. Scranton has certainly put together some nice games since then...but, they are also a team that still lacks a killer instinct & that's not a good thing this late in the season. Thoughts from your vantage point?
From what I saw this past weekend, I would be incline to be leaning towards the Royals. I honestly wasn't that impressed with Moravian. They had a very large lead against the Gophers and were easily shaken with pressure defense... nearly costing the game.

Scranton seemed to be a much more disciplined team. They faced the same tough defense and while they falted at times, they kept themselves together and eventually beat the Gophers.

Now with that comparison out of the way, I think Scranton has more threats. I said earlier I didn't understand the Royals record after seeing them play (I also didn't understand Susquehanna's season). They shoot well from all points on the floor and have plenty of weapons. They also have some size inside, which helped them beat the Gophers - while Goucher, a smaller team, dominated on the boards for much of the game against Moravian.

Also the fact Scranton had little trouble with CUA the same weekend, while Moravian struggled in a loss to the Cardinals also leads me to think that Scranton is the better team.

Yes, the game is on the road, but I think the Royals are playing better basketball at this time, and while Moravian will probably eliminate the Landmark from getting a Pool B bid with a loss (so, why route against them), Scanton seems to be the better team this time around.

Does that help? That is off the top of my head without going back to check stats and stuff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 20, 2008, 10:57:07 pm
I didn't actually see Moravian, but I have a pretty good idea as to what happened at the CUA-Moravian game and I did see Scranton...

I think Dave is exactly right.  Catholic applied a lot of pressure to Moravian too and it really threw them.  Scranton played one half of a great game against Catholic, at least, and has enough weapons were everything probably doesn't have to be working in order for them to win.

So I'd say advantage Scranton, too.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: fbfan814 on February 21, 2008, 10:53:03 am
I think it is going to come down to Juniata and Moravian.  Moravian has been pretty steady all season and they are always a threat.  And you can never count Juniata out.  Especially if they get to play at home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 21, 2008, 06:37:21 pm
Programming note...

D3hoops.com will broadcast Saturday's Scranton/Moravian doubleheader live from Johnston Hall in Bethlehem...

5:30 pm - Women: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds
7:30 pm - Men: Scranton Royals versus Moravian Greyhounds


The broadcast will be available at www.d3hoops.com/audio starting with pregame coverage 10 minutes before tipoff.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2008, 11:37:05 pm
I will make a point to listen in! If I didn't have to work or announce the Catholic/Goucher game, I might have thought about traveling up for that game!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2008, 12:18:33 am
Dave: Thanks for the analysis...here's to hoping your call is on the mark. I noticed the lead story on Pool B deals up front with the fact Aurora College's mens coach is certainly praying the NCAA Selection Committee understands that his team has gone through some injuries & that is a primary reason his team has lost a few extra games. I don't think it would be much of a stretch to add any number of schools to that list where injuries to key players have had a negitive impact. The main difference is most schools do not have to hold their collective breath & hope for a Pool B bid...as most belong to conferences with AQ's. In all fairness, I certainly believe the very same story could have just as easily been written about Scranton this season. They were doing pretty much as expected until 4 year point guard Randy Arnold went down in the first game of their Holiday Tournament. They then proceeded to lose 3 in a row...two of which were conference games while the other Royals were trying to adjust to a number of players trying to run the show & a whole new approach to various sets. Slowly but surely they got there & Randy has recently come back full time...now the Royals need to win their next three & hope the committee understands the various injuries they have had to deal with in addition to his...and cut the Royals some slack. Never underestimate the setback a team goes through when they lose a veteran point. However, should Scranton lose their last conference game @ Moravian & then not win the Landmark Tournament...well, there is always Lady Royal basketball this time of year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 12:29:28 am
Saratoga:

I don't think James Lancaster said anything of the sort and I didn't write anything of the sort. You're really stretching what's written.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2008, 01:39:59 am
Pat: No, the Aurora coach did not say he is ''praying" the selection committee takes his teams injuries into account...but, he certainly got that message out. I mean there is certainly some print devoted to "already down a starter before the season even opened" and, "the Spartans lost starting point guard Dusty Magee with 13 minutes remaining..." and, "Aurora later lost its second string and third string point guards playing forward Lance Robinson at the point for a December conference game...". The only "point' I was making was had you decided to interview Scranton coach Carl Danzig...I'm quite sure he, in this world of politicing when possible, would have alluded to the loss of his point guard as a turning point & learning point for his team. The bottom line is exactly what Coach Lancaster said...you keep playing the games on the schedule & let the chips fall where they may. When you further describe how Aurora was winning a certain game until an injury..."up 33-30 at the time, Aurora was outscored 33-21 the rest of the way & lost 63-54"...I think you can see how it could be interpreted that teams in Pool B really need the committee to look at the big picture which includes losses & their possible explanation as well as looking at strength of schedule, which Coach Lancaster also mentioned. If I've taken a liberal view of your article, perhaps it was due to watching the debate this evening or last evenings eclipse...or maybe, just maybe...there was some pretty good discussion of the "I" word. By the way, my comments were certainly not meant to be negitive & if I've stretched what your intent was, that was not my intent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 01:48:22 am
Yep. Everything that's not in quotes is what I wrote. It's not what Lancaster said and I certainly don't know what he prays about.

For example, I don't think he needs to pray that they cut Aurora slack for a couple of losses. Don't think they'll need it. And from talking to him, I don't think he thinks he needs prayer if his team wins out.

I objected to your post because it sounded like you were suggesting Lancaster was making excuses. That just isn't the case, though, and it takes a little bit of wishful thinking to interpret it that way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2008, 02:28:48 am
In no way whatsoever was I suggesting Coach Lancaster was making excuses. My only point is that any team in a Pool B situation had better hope the selection committee has at least a basic understanding of their situation & why certain things may have happened vs. certain teams. Obviously, the loss of any starter will have a generally adverse effect on that team...the good teams regroup, the average teams may not be so lucky. I think we all know that injuries are part of the game & that sometimes a little adversity can bring a team together. It certainly appears that is the case with Aurora...and I hope with the Royals as well. Pool B really is a horrible place to be with a good team...having others determine your fate creates a long selection Monday for many teams & an even longer off-season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2008, 09:18:37 am
Saratoga-

+ Karma. No need to defend you opinion. While I think it is getting ahead of ourselves I wonder if Moravian, Juniata or Scranton wins out if they go to the tourny. I think Susquehanna is the only team that can win out and have no shot at the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 11:51:19 am
Matt - looking forward to the game tonight... will you make it?

This is a great rivalry that transfered from the CAC to the LAND. Wait, that's right! I was told the CUA media guide clearly states that Goucher/Catholic is NOT a rivalry!!! I will be double-checking that tonight, but I certainly hope it is true! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2008, 12:48:38 pm
You shouldn't rely on what you were told. A reading of the media guide is probably appropriate before making such a statement.

Typical TV "journalist" there. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 23, 2008, 01:14:05 pm

Of course, in the CAC, Catholic was pretty much everyone's top rival, but...that's what success does.


 :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 03:49:55 pm
Jeez - I meant to write "I sure hope it ISN'T true!"

And us TV journalists usually rely a lot on the written folks - thus why we usually get burned ;-).

And I don't know about rivalry in the CAC... but CUA was certainly everyone's enemy :).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2008, 04:14:36 pm
If you rely on the print media then you are a day behind the story. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 04:17:42 pm
Jeez - I meant to write "I sure hope it ISN'T true!"

And us TV journalists usually rely a lot on the written folks - thus why we usually get burned ;-).

And I don't know about rivalry in the CAC... but CUA was certainly everyone's enemy :).

THAT was my point back in November!

Call it what you want, but there was something "extra" in a lot of those games.   Seemed like Marymount played their best games of the season every year against CUA, for instance.

Anyway, I really wanted to go to tonight, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to.   We've had all kind of sickness around here and my wife is getting over the flu.  I'd go on my own, but then she'd have to watch the baby all by herself tonight.  So it looks like its a no-go.    :(

Keep us updated!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 06:11:28 pm
Worse case scenario, Matt... I will do a good job updating the scoreboard (which I usually do!).

And if Goucher feels they want to broadcast it on their radio station, I will try and get a link up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 08:16:48 pm
I am updating the scoreboard as often as possible. I also put a link on there for Goucher Radio... or you can try this link: [url'"http://www.goucher-radio.net/tunein.html"]http://www.goucher-radio.net/tunein.html[/url]
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 08:21:40 pm
By the way... we have had two stoppages of play due to blood on the floor! Both have happend to Cardinals. One was Chris McGrew trying to pull in an errant pass on the baseline... looked like he fell and hit his head/face on the floor. The other was to Ryan Horka. He stole a Goucher inbounds pass or just a pass on Catholic's baseline. It looked like he may have pumped faked a shot, which got Goucher's Tim Merritt in the air. Horka never left the ground and Merritt landed on top of him; Horka ladded forehead first on the floor. Not intentional and certainly no malice... but unfortuneate (sp?) all the same.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 08:24:38 pm
Turns out it was McGrew's chin... not his nose (phew!).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 08:51:31 pm
Hope his chin is ok?  How's McGrew playing?  I think he has the most potential of any CUA player--if he can move more effectively (like, without fouling) inside, he could be really dominant.

Alas, looks like Goucher radio is not working.  According to D-Mac's last update, CUA is up 12 early in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 09:06:40 pm
Yeah - goucher radio is probably working... but you may have trouble with their quicktime stream (which means you have never listened to a live hoopsville show, matt!).

McGrew is ok. I think he certainly has potential... but he hasn't been a big part of this game - mainly because he missed so much time in the first half with the chin issue!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:09:08 pm
Well, it loads but then it gets stuck in the "negotiating" stage.

Yeah, he's a guy who needs to get involved early or he's generally not a huge factor.  Looks like they aren't having much trouble putting up points tonight though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:12:34 pm
Ok...well they WEREN'T having trouble.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2008, 09:14:08 pm
65-61 CUA 5:30 Matt!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:25:17 pm
71-66...hang on fellas...

I didn't know Jonah Goldberg went to Goucher, incidentally.   Doesn't seem like his kind of place!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 23, 2008, 09:34:25 pm
Just shut off the Scranton at Morvian game with about 10 minutes left with Scranton leading 66-37. Ouch!!!
SU leads Juniata, 26-21 at the half.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:35:52 pm
Looks like Catholic won, 76-68.

Important win for this team...get up to double digits and gives something to build on for next year.   Finish with two wins, and a good half against Scranton before that.  

This season ended for Catholic a minute ago and I'm already looking forward to next year.  They'll be a lot better.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 09:52:22 pm
Stat of the year for Catholic:

Despite their 10-15 record, they outscored their opponents 1667-1654.   They were ahead in both halves.  How often does that happen?

The reason--they lost SIX games by 5 points or less, including 2 in OT.  They lost another 4 by 10 or less.  That means they realistically had a chance to win 20 out of their 25 games this year.

There's no doubt in my mind that next year's time, with a little more experience and seasoning, will win their share of those games. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2008, 10:28:11 pm
Just heard that Jason Banzhof had 32 points and 18 rebounds tonight.  Wow...that should seal ROY for him.  He's really taken over in the second half of the season. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2008, 12:04:20 am
Matt,
     Impressive stats to be sure, but Zach Ashworth had a fine game also in leading the Royals with 20 points including 3-3 from the 3-pt and foul lines.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 12:48:03 am
Well, lets total them up tomorrow and see where we are at. 

Ashworth certainly had a very good year...but, you have to differentiate between the two somehow, and to me, the guy with consistently better numbers should win. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2008, 01:15:34 am
    I agree-we'll just have to find out which one that is.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 08:46:20 am
    I agree-we'll just have to find out which one that is.

Well, here they are:

Jason Banzhof, Catholic:  12.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, .556 fg%, (.382 3 point), .752 ft%, .9 apg
Zach Ashworth, Scranton: 10.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, .433 fg% (.403 3 point). .680 ft%, 1.4 apg

According to Landmark Conference leader statistics:
Banzhof ranks (overall/freshman): #10 in ppg (#1 freshman), #6 rpg (#1 freshman), #2 field goal percentage (#1 freshman), #8 field goal percentage (#1 freshman), #2 offensive rebounds (#1 freshman), #7 defensive rebounds (#2 freshman), #27 minutes per game (#5 freshman).

Ashworth ranks: #12 in ppg (#2 freshman), #14 free throw percentage (#2 freshman), #8 steals per game (#2 freshman), #7 3 point percentage (#1 freshman), #15 minutes per game (#2 freshman).  He does not appear on the leaderboard in rebounds, field goal percentage.


Sorry, ronk--I think this is a slam dunk.  You have a kid who is the #1 ranked freshman in 5 categories, including the biggies--points, field goal percentage, and rebounds.  He's actually widened the gap in ppg and its now nearly 2.  He shoots for a much higher percent and he's one of the leading rebounders in the entire league.

Ashworth only beats him in 3 point percentage--but Banzhaf is still shooting a respectable number, and assists--but 1.4 apg frankly is not that impressive for a guard, and not in the top 15 in the league.

Jason Banzhaf SHOULD be the Landmark Rookie of the Year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: naismith on February 24, 2008, 09:24:39 am
Well, lets total them up tomorrow and see where we are at. 

Ashworth certainly had a very good year...but, you have to differentiate between the two somehow, and to me, the guy with consistently better numbers should win. 

Matt, if that were the Cold Case, then Stephon Marbury could be considered a top 5 pg in NBA history.;

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ast_per_g_career.html

Add those assists to his 19.7 ppg and he places behind the Big O as one of the highest scoring pg's. ..
Add pts and assists and Magic moves above Starbury along with Isiah.
Still places him top 5!!

Point in fact, most of us including myself don't believe Starbury is a top 20 pg nonetheless a top 5 all time.

Stats are not the whole story. Figures lie and liars figure so they say.

What intangibles do these players bring to the floor. Did they excel in big moments in big games? Do they make the players around them better?
Are they selfish? How well do they play defense? Do they lose their cool or are they poised?

To me, 'value' is more than a box score.

Enuff on that subject.

Wish the Royals well in the playoffs. I really thought  this team was NCAA bound pre-season. Have followed them so am familiar with the injury issues etc.
I am thinking they are healthy now and ready to go. 

Naismith
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2008, 09:39:53 am
Ashworth only beats him in 3 point percentage--but Banzhaf is still shooting a respectable number, and assists--but 1.4 apg frankly is not that impressive for a guard, and not in the top 15 in the league.Jason Banzhaf SHOULD be the Landmark Rookie of the Year.

Colonel Matt, your rose colored Catholic glasses have allowed your biasness to flow through once again. Let's see. You left out the only two items that matter: Pressure and importance.
How many pressure shots did Banzof put up? Considering Catholic was 10-15, the answer is very few. Nobody takes a sub-500 team seriously, especially when they were 1-7 against the top four teams in the conference.
In contrast, Ashworth was more important to his team and played in a boat load of key games most of the season. In fact, Scranton would not have made the playoffs if it weren't for him.
Stats are impressive but Banzof started and played a heck of a lot more minutes than Ashworth (another factor you accidentally left out). I'll take a player that comes up clutch in big games over anyone.
However, Banzof is quite a player, but not nearly the big-time performer like Ashworth.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 11:02:50 am
First of all, I didn't leave out minutes. 

Ashworth ranks: #12 in ppg (#2 freshman), #14 free throw percentage (#2 freshman), #8 steals per game (#2 freshman), #7 3 point percentage (#1 freshman), #15 minutes per game (#2 freshman).  He does not appear on the leaderboard in rebounds, field goal percentage.

I did not mention games started, but if I had, it would have been Banzhaf 22, Ashworth 12.  Banzhaf certainly played his share of minutes though--and the fact that Ashworth played more means that Banzhaf was also the more efficient, productive players.  In other words, Ashworth's scoring is partly a result of simply being out of the court more--and yet he still scored significantly less than Banzhaf.

Now, as for intangibles, a couple points.  First of all, as I understand it, this is not a "Most Valuable Rookie" award, its a "Rookie of the Year" award.  Traditionally, in all sports, that award goes to the best rookie, which I think the statistic clearly show was Jason.

Second, I would argue that Jason had a tougher job.  He played with a much weaker supporting cast.  There was nobody out there to make him better.  His job, as a forward, certainly is dependent on guards getting him the ball in a good position and setting him up for good shots.  Frankly, he didn't get much help in that regard--he had to do it himself.

Third, its not like Scranton is an absolute slam dunk tournament team.  For some reason, cold case thinks I have something against Scranton.  I don't.  I'm excited Scranton is in this league.  They're a great program.  But I'm hardly a hater for pointing out that they had a bit of a disappointing year this year.  They should have been better--and actually right now I do think they're playing the best basketball in the league.

But anyway, its a stretch to say that Ashworth has been consistently clutch on an elite team.  Scranton hasn't been at that level and they did lose some games they shouldn't have.  I certainly don't hold that against him at ALL, I'm only bringing it up because its being used as an argument for him.

Meanwhile, if you look at Banzhaf, I can say the same thing--Catholic would have not won the games it did with him.   They didn't win as many games as Scranton did, no, but he was their leading scorer in the last 7 games in a row and in 11 games total.

In other words--when teams play Catholic, at this point, the opposing team knows it has to shut down Jason Banzhaf.  He's the guy they key on.  That is not the case for Scranton...Ashworth is not "the guy." 

Good debate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2008, 12:02:05 pm
Wow.  Matt I have to admire you enthusiasm for a team that went 4-10 in the conference. Now can we give it a rest? I see enough campaign ads on TV. Give Banzhof the  Rookie of the Year, I am sure Ashworth would rather be where he is right now, in the playoffs, then the recipient of the Rookie of the Year

No one said that Scranton is a slam dunk tournament team. But they put up an excellent all around effort and beat Moravian in their building, where they had been undefeated. Nothing but good things to say about the Scranton effort in Bethlehem on Saturday night. I did listen to Dean Corwin, rather than Gordan  Mann, but I hope he doesn't hold that against me.


The Royals go right back to Moravian on Weds at 7pm for a repeat of Saturday's game, and Juniata at Sus, for a repeat of their game Saturday. Lets savior this win and break down the  playoffs later.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2008, 12:13:10 pm
I did listen to Dean Corwin, rather than Gordan  Mann, but I hope he doesn't hold that against me.

I started listening to the Scranton announcers but switched to Gordon "Manfred" Mann. Scranton play-by-play man, Dean Corwin is very good, but I couldn't take Harry Dammer. Geez, listening to him is like finger nails scratching on the blackboard. Well, maybe worse.
I'm going down on Wednesday, first Royal road trip since I worked the Scranton bombing run at Wilkes last year. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 12:18:06 pm
Hey, you guys challenged me, what'd you want me to do?  I fight for my guys.  ;D  And frankly, I had a better case.

For what its worth, I think Scranton will win the conference tournament.   I hope whoever does gets a bid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 24, 2008, 12:51:24 pm
For what its worth, I think Scranton will win the conference tournament.   I hope whoever does gets a bid.

I'm a little biased, but why count out Susquehanna? They have the #1 seed and will have home-court as fas as they go. And last night they showed they can win without Josh Robinson.

Although I'd rather be an underdog.  :)

Last night was a crazy game. Juniata traveled well and the atmosphere in O.W. Houts was the rowdiest it's been all year. I hope our kids come back out Wednesday, and that Juniata's stay home to watch the women's team!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 01:07:20 pm
Despite their win without Josh Robinson - that is the reason I wouldn't bet on Susquehanna winning the conference tournament. My "money" is on Scranton as well. They seem to be playing the best basketball at this time in the season.

As for the conference getting a Pool B bid... doubtful. Moravian has the least number of regional losses with seven then any other team in the conference. That is just too many losses to be considered for the tournament, even if Moravian rights the ship and wins the tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2008, 01:24:51 pm
Matt: I too appreciate your devotion to Jason...let's let the coaches decide as I'm quite sure they have a much finer appreciation for the total picture of what each of these kids has done. In all honesty...I think there is far less pressure on any player playing in games that have little or no playoff implications than there is on a player whose team needs almost every possesion to go their way. Trust me, Ashworth played his role to near perfection last night in a game the Royals had to have if the quest is to continue. All things considered...NEPAFAN is right on the money.. Zach could probably give two cents about the award as long as the Royals keep playing. And, should they continue to play as they did last evening, I think regardless of who they play or where they play...they are going to present a challenge. Three things jump out at me from the game last night...first, the Royals established the tempo from the start...went inside/out & the kids continue to be on fire from the outside & they played determined & passionate defense for a full game. At one point in the second half Scranton was actually up 31 points against a team that had not lost at home, was playing before a Senior night crowd & had they won, would have been the regular season champs. Not a bad nights work. Of course, everything changes now in the second season...one bad game can be erased, one great game can be followed by a, "what kids forgot to get off the bus" moment & a missed free-throw here & there in the first half can make all the difference in the world by the time the final horn sounds. If the Royals can duplicate even 70% of last night game...they win. However, should they take the court & think it's going to be a cake walk & that Moravian...still licking its wounds will just roll over & die for them...well, then the uniforms get packed away prematurely yet again.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 24, 2008, 02:01:53 pm
'toga, did you ever hear of paragraphs??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2008, 02:46:08 pm
Agree with Saratoga. Scranton cannot go back to Moravian and think they can walk all over the Greyhounds again. Moravian will have a chip on their shoulder after last night's loss and will come out with a much better effort on Weds at 7.

If I am a Scranton coach my Mantra is to forget about last night's score and focus on maintaining  intensity and hustle. I also repeat whatever I told the kids Friday night and Saturday morning!

 Let's worry about Pool B after the Playoffs, the committee always throws in some curveballs so it will be something to look out for.

C_C,


I can take Dammer when they Royals are winning, it is another story when they are losing! ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 24, 2008, 04:04:55 pm
   I enjoy listening to Prof Harry analyze the games; I get a better sense from him on how the Royals are doing separate  from the score because he's more critical, tells why things work or don't, when the team is lacking in effort, when refs are out of position in making calls or make a call that belongs to one of the other refs.

 Nepa,
    You have to worry about pool B from the 1st game of the year; everyone's important; you have to eliminate reasons for the committee to choose someone else over you. Dean Corwin said last nite during the ladies' game that in comparison to Moravian, the royals had nothing to play for- they would be hosting the 4 seed regardless in the playoffs this week. He overlooked the importance of the game in the pool B selection process.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 24, 2008, 07:19:25 pm
CC: You mean a subdivision of written composition that consists of one or more sentences, deals with a particular point or gives the words or thoughts of one speaker, and begins on a new, usually indented line??? No.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 08:23:10 pm
While I get the point, I think there's a pretty fair amount of pressure on any freshman who is given a starting job early and basically has to be "the guy" for a division 3 team.  These kids come into the season totally unproven and unknown.   They fight for playing time and respect.   In that situation, to have a kid that is in the top 10 in their conference in scoring as a freshman, field goal percentage and rebounds is pretty special.


D-Mac makes a pretty fair point...its probably a stretch for any team to get in this year.

Any thoughts from the game last night, Dave?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:11:15 pm
Mat... it was an interesting game. CUA never seemed to lose it or play bad when they lost the lead several times to Goucher. They played the same way the entire game. Goucher, on the other hand, was up and down the entire game. They started a lineup I hadn't seen all season (two players hardly played all season) and seemed to click in some moments and not in others. Even though Goucher had been known for coming back in games - almost in ever game and from any deficit - I didn't expect them to in the second half... but they did and nearly pulled off the victory. CUA won thanks to free throw shooting and rebounding. Goucher had its chances but couldn't pull in the loose rebounds or hit their FT's (a theme for years).

These two teams are the future of this conference. I know there are some very good teams in Moravian, Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata, and even Merchant Marine and Drew... but Goucher and Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years. Right now, I would say CUA may have the edge since they have size inside... but these two teams are going to be putting up some incrediable battles for the next three years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2008, 10:30:59 pm
Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years.

Wow...considering the talent that was on Catholic's CAC Champion team last year, that is high praise, indeed.  I actually agree, though--I think the ceiling with this group is actually higher--there are a number of freshman that are well ahead of where guys like Scott Fumai, Pat Dwyer and Stephen Wheeler were as freshman.

Just judging from the amount of talent leaving the conference, you'd have to think that Catholic, Goucher and Merchant Marine will all be forces next year and beyond. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 10:48:09 pm
Matt... I certainly see more in the CUA team of Freshmen this year than I saw in Fumai, Dwyer, and Wheeler. That being said... let's see where the next three years take the Cardinals - before jumping out too far on that limb.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2008, 09:11:13 am
These two teams are the future of this conference. I know there are some very good teams in Moravian, Scranton, Susquehanna, Juniata, and even Merchant Marine and Drew... but Goucher and Catholic are young and full of talent that neither team has seen in years.

The future of the league? I actually enjoyed reading your posts until you came up with that comical one. We're talking Goucher, with absolutely no history or mystique whatsoever and Catholic over the past decade or so.
Colonel Matt's biased posts towards Catholic are just stupid, but we expect better from you.
You know, the six teams north of the Mason-Dixon line that comprise the eight team Landmark Conference?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2008, 10:16:27 am
Well, look...I said from the very beginning that over the long term, I think that Catholic and Scranton will consisently be at the top of this league.  If we fast forward 15 years and total up wins and championships, those two are probably going to be at the top of the list.

But, at least in the next year or two, Goucher does have some good talent and isn't losing barely anything next year.  Same thing for Catholic and Merchant Marine.  The other schools have to rebuild a little bit.  Doesn't mean they won't and they can't.

I love how I'm the only guy on this board that's supposedly biased, by the way...none of the Scranton guys are...not one bit.  Right. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2008, 10:20:37 am
cold case - sorry if the reference was too broad for you. I am looking, as Matt is, at the next few years - which is in the future. I honestly hope all 8 programs in this conference will be able to compete against each other and a title each season... that way the conference becomes one of the best in the country. But, as Matt points out, Goucher, CUA, and Merchant Marine have a good base right now that can bring them to the top of the conference in the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2008, 10:38:35 am
Based on the long-term past of the Landmark Conference, cold_case, I don't think any school is currently permitte to talk smack about another's history. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 10:55:37 am
Matt,


I think it has been five posts since you mention Banzhof. You're slacking.



We may be biased, but you pick up the pom poms.


On to the games....any previews and thoughts?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 25, 2008, 11:08:10 am
Matt,
I think it has been five posts since you mention Banzhof. You're slacking.
We may be biased, but you pick up the pom poms.

Ahhh, sophisticated humor, now that I appreciate.
By the way, did you ever notice that a losers refrain is always wait until next year? Another thing to ponder and I quote Joe Paterno: "Statistics are for losers!"
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2008, 12:20:00 pm
Matt,
I think it has been five posts since you mention Banzhof. You're slacking.
We may be biased, but you pick up the pom poms.

Ahhh, sophisticated humor, now that I appreciate.
By the way, did you ever notice that a losers refrain is always wait until next year? Another thing to ponder and I quote Joe Paterno: "Statistics are for losers!"

And yet, Pat...here we are.  Talking smack.  Fine...

I really wouldn't know what a losers refrain is.  Catholic's won 20 games for 10 out of the last 11 seasons.  At least when the Cardinals rebuild, they still hit double digits in wins...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2008, 01:20:38 pm
Found this on the Pool C board:



Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:00:05 am
Found this on the Pool C board:

Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.

That was talking about the women, dude.  As a reminder, the Lady Royals have won 13 in a row, and still might miss the dance because of that pesky "no automatic bid" thing.

I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:02:24 am
Based on the long-term past of the Landmark Conference, cold_case, I don't think any school is currently permitte to talk smack about another's history. :)

Exception to the Law of Pat:

Schools with a long-term past with current Landmark members are encouraged to talk smack about history.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 10:08:13 am
Found this on the Pool C board:

Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.

That was talking about the women, dude.  As a reminder, the Lady Royals have won 13 in a row, and still might miss the dance because of that pesky "no automatic bid" thing.

I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D


http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1500

Please see post #1501. I will accept your apology at any time. That is what you get for a MAC FREEDOM education. :D




Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 10:17:00 am
I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D

First of all, it's a 30-pack, nothing less will do.
Secondly, in regards to the schools south of the Mason-Dixon getting ready for golf:  ;D ;D ;D
At least Goucher always has a leg up on the competition every year. ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on February 26, 2008, 10:53:28 am
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1500

Please see post #1501. I will accept your apology at any time. That is what you get for a MAC FREEDOM education. :D

Apology granted. I just figured a 17-8 (9-5) team really had no chance of getting in, even with 2 more W's.  I mean, really, their resume includes losses to Lycoming AND Merchant Marine (twice).

And Chill30 - glad I could put a smile on your face on Playoff Eve.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:19:21 am
Found this on the Pool C board:

Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.

That was talking about the women, dude.  As a reminder, the Lady Royals have won 13 in a row, and still might miss the dance because of that pesky "no automatic bid" thing.

I just had to stop by and check on this Colonel Matt that Chilly24Pack keeps mentioning.  Nothing wrong with being biased at all.  BUT when you start calling shots about the future, AND your team missed the conference postseason... aaaaye.

CC - and what was that you were saying earlier about golf being better south of the Mason-Dixon line?  Or was it just that teams south of the line are getting their golf season started early? ;D

Not calling shots...just noting that unless some of the fine individuals playing for these other fine institutions are on a five year plan (which is certainly not the case, given said fine nature of institutions), there shall be significant turnover in the league next year.

In other words, a whole bunch of teams are losing their best players.  Catholic isn't. Senior day was very emotional this year...a great tribute to the manager.

And given the level of talent and quailty of kid on this year's squad, there's reason for optimism....and maybe a later start to golf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 11:28:26 am
Not calling shots...just noting that unless some of the fine individuals playing for these other fine institutions are on a five year plan (which is certainly not the case, given said fine nature of institutions), there shall be significant turnover in the league next year.

Hey Colonel Matt, you're other half paid a visit to the board. You make him look like Einstein in regards to posting.
And what are you insinuating in regards to players on five-year plans?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:36:22 am
Nothing.  That was my whole point. Einstein.

(They're SENIORS.  They're graduating.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2008, 11:38:03 am
Raises the question as to whether Einstein knew the proper usage of your and you're.

Your copy desk must have a field day with what you're filing to them. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 11:39:55 am
Nothing.  That was my whole point. Einstein.

(They're SENIORS.  They're graduating.)

So let me see here. You're annointing or hinting that Catholic already has the Landmark in hand for next year while knowing who the other schools are recruiting or what transfers may be coming in???
You must be Einstein!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 11:41:55 am
Raises the question as to whether Einstein knew the proper usage of your and you're.
Your copy desk must have a field day with what you're filing to them. :)

That's what they get paid for. You know that as well as I or anyone in the field.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 11:48:58 am
Nothing.  That was my whole point. Einstein.

(They're SENIORS.  They're graduating.)

So let me see here. You're annointing or hinting that Catholic already has the Landmark in hand for next year while knowing who the other schools are recruiting or what transfers may be coming in???
You must be Einstein!

Well I may very well be, but in this instance...no, you're just putting words in my mouth.  And not even that coherently, since you just asserted that I DO know "who the other schools are recruiting or what transfers may be coming in" when you probably intended to say the opposite.  But then again...I am Einstein, so maybe I do.

(Maybe you can run your posts through your desk first).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 12:47:58 pm
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1500

Please see post #1501. I will accept your apology at any time. That is what you get for a MAC FREEDOM education. :D

Apology granted. I just figured a 17-8 (9-5) team really had no chance of getting in, even with 2 more W's.  I mean, really, their resume includes losses to Lycoming AND Merchant Marine (twice).

And Chill30 - glad I could put a smile on your face on Playoff Eve.


No problem CJ. If Scranton wins the Landmark and finishes at 19-8, they represent the Landmark in Pool B.  Simple as that.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 26, 2008, 12:51:37 pm
Cold_Case,


I ask that you no longer engage Catholic's head cheerleader. We have two playoff games coming up tomorrow. What do you tell your team if you are the head coach of Moravian coming off Saturday's loss?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 26, 2008, 01:08:03 pm
Cold_Case,
I ask that you no longer engage Catholic's head cheerleader. We have two playoff games coming up tomorrow. What do you tell your team if you are the head coach of Moravian coming off Saturday's loss?

You're right. Why lower myself.
If I'm Moravian's coach, I'd tell my kids that we have a lot of seniors and Scranton has a lot of seniors so since we won't get back to the playoffs again, let's go out and enjoy ourselves, savor this one moment that the two schools south of the Mason-Dixon line afforded us.
Ooooops, I just lowered myself. Oh well, it won't happen again. I promise.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 26, 2008, 01:29:40 pm
Cold_Case,


I ask that you no longer engage Catholic's head cheerleader. We have two playoff games coming up tomorrow. What do you tell your team if you are the head coach of Moravian coming off Saturday's loss?

Well I'm about done with "engaging" Scranton's head cheerleader, so don't worry about it.   I can't possibly make him look much worse than he's making himself look anyway.

Let's try this: Good luck to both squads.  They're both talented, but I'd be surprised if Scranton didn't get the win.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2008, 03:18:32 pm
cold_case... what in the world are you doing? No one has insulted your fine school and I have said many a good thing about Scranton and the others here. Why in the world are you now taking cheap shots at schools "south of the Mason-Dixon Line?"

Matt and I have both said we feel comfortable about our squads in the future. Both are young with very little turnover this season. Other schools in this conference are going to experience a lot of turnover which may take some time to build back up from. I even said I thought CUA had the edge right now, simply from the talent I have seen from their underclassmen. None of that has been shots are the other schools, just stating facts and presenting opinions.

That being said, my thoughts and opinions are that Scranton probably wins the conference title this season. Moravian has not shown me in recent weeks that they have a team that can over come what Scranton has for weapons. Susquehanna has lost a lot in Josh Robinson and has shown they can't win consistently. And Juniata, while good, I don't think can win two straight to take the title.

All of that being said, as well. I don't think the Landmark gets a Pool B bid this season. I would honestly be surprised if they do. Scranton has the best shot and has to win out. They already have a number of losses that are not helping their cause. I also think there are better Pool B options that the committee will take first: Maryville (TN), Chapman, probably Nebraska Wesleyan (especially if they win their last two games), and there is still Aurora and others to consider.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2008, 09:56:47 am
Tonight's Scranton-Moravian game will be broadcast at:


www.scranton.edu/wusr     Game Time : 7:00pm
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2008, 10:32:17 am
NEPA, I just noticed across the top of this page that you can receive e-mails. I got one before and noticed there are six in all.

Predictions tonight: Moravian by eight and Juniata by five.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 27, 2008, 11:38:50 am
Direct from the "Desk"

 The 2007-2008 Landmark Conference award recipients are as follows:

1st-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class   
G-Randy Arnold, Scranton              Sr.     
G-Ryan Miller, Moravian                 Sr.                 
G-Josh Robinson, Susquehanna    Sr.               
C-Tom Bicknell, Scranton              Sr.                 
F-Kevin Cuff, Susquehanna          Sr.                 
F-Chris Earley, Moravian              Sr.                 

2nd-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class           
G-Zach Ashworth, Scranton          Fr.               
G-Chris Lopez, Drew                    Sr.                 
G-Kyle Opitz, Juniata                    Sr.                 
F-Jason Banzhaf, Catholic             Fr.                 
F-Brian Cannon, Juniata               Sr.                 
F-Mark Franzyshen, Moravian       Sr.                             

Player of the Year: Josh Robinson, Susquehanna
Defensive Player of the Year: Chris Earley, Moravian
Rookie of the Year: Jason Banzhaf, Catholic
Coaching Staff of the Year: Moravian College (Head Coach, Jim Walker)

No sophomores or juniors? Kooky.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2008, 12:50:04 pm
I am actually surprised Goucher's Darrin Boswell didn't make the teams... but I don't vote! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2008, 03:40:04 pm
Dave: Boswell looked pretty good in both games I saw him as did the shooting guard from USMMA who hails from Baltimore. A good friend tells me the Royals win by 7 tonight at Moravian & Juniata pulls one out at Susquehanna. If that happens...as unbelievable as it seemed 2 weeks ago, Scranton would host Sat. night for the championship. With that said, the Royals & Juniata probably both leave their games on the bus.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 27, 2008, 03:59:03 pm
Week 3 Regional Rankings just out...Scranton moves in at # 8. Can they further justify the move with another big road win tonight? If they are peaking...they certainly picked the right time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2008, 04:05:49 pm
Saratoga getting a little pumped up!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2008, 05:55:56 pm
Direct from the "Desk"

 The 2007-2008 Landmark Conference award recipients are as follows:

1st-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class   
G-Randy Arnold, Scranton              Sr.     
G-Ryan Miller, Moravian                 Sr.                 
G-Josh Robinson, Susquehanna    Sr.               
C-Tom Bicknell, Scranton              Sr.                 
F-Kevin Cuff, Susquehanna          Sr.                 
F-Chris Earley, Moravian              Sr.                 

2nd-Team
Pos-Name                                    Class           
G-Zach Ashworth, Scranton          Fr.               
G-Chris Lopez, Drew                    Sr.                 
G-Kyle Opitz, Juniata                    Sr.                 
F-Jason Banzhaf, Catholic             Fr.                 
F-Brian Cannon, Juniata               Sr.                 
F-Mark Franzyshen, Moravian       Sr.                             

Player of the Year: Josh Robinson, Susquehanna
Defensive Player of the Year: Chris Earley, Moravian
Rookie of the Year: Jason Banzhaf, Catholic
Coaching Staff of the Year: Moravian College (Head Coach, Jim Walker)

No sophomores or juniors? Kooky.

Speaking of pumped...

(Kidding, guys.)   Congrats to Jason..he deserved it.  Glad Ashworth made second team, also, so that he got some recognition for his outstanding rookie season.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 27, 2008, 09:12:28 pm
What the hell happened to Susquehanna?

Scranton-Moravian must have been a great game. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 27, 2008, 09:36:49 pm
Congrats to Banzhaf!  ;D



Scranton-Moravian was incredible. Down 10 with 6 minutes left, Scranton comes storming back to win.


I hope Dean Corwin didn't have a heart attack!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 28, 2008, 10:07:48 am
Last night's victory is a credit to Scranton's seniors. Randy Arnold and Tom Bicknell played great down the stretch. Also have to give alot of credit to Freshman  phenom Zach Ashworth (who played like a Senior) and was great down the stretch. A couple key layups and hitting those all important free throws.


And how is there no write up in the Scranton Times?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 28, 2008, 11:16:14 am
What the hell happened to Susquehanna?

They read all the "Susquehanna can't win without Robinson" hype and believed it.  :(

Credit to Juniata though. SU came out flat, Juniata was pumped, they jumped ahead and never looked back. I'd heard some Juniata fans muttering after Saturday's game that the refs gave it to SU, so I guess the Eagles came in ready for revenge.

That was a really hard way to see Cuff, Okanak, Gaebel and Marshall go out though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 08:11:19 pm
While rummaging though press releases and stat sheets, I noticed something very strange in the Juniata/Susquehanna playoff game. Sure Robinson didn't play for SU, but I didn't see Juniata's top scorer and rebounder, Brian Cannon, in the boxscore either. Unless it was a typo?
I checked all the scoring of the Juniata players and it totalled 77, with no Cannon listed.
Pat, any news on Cannon before I see a release tomorrow night?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 08:12:41 pm
Sorry -- we don't hear much from Juniata.  Us desk guys just edit -- it's you reporters who are supposed to do the ... what's that called ... reporting. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 28, 2008, 08:19:36 pm
Never mind. The Altoona paper has a kid named Baker scoring 21 off the bench but the conference website has Cannon scoring 21. You just can't trust newspaper people these days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 08:31:34 pm
Ain't it the truth. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 29, 2008, 07:53:47 am
Ain't it the truth. :)


That is why we have the D3 Family of websites!


Okay on to the Inagural Landmark Conference Championship. Tip is set for 7:30 at the Long Center. I won't be able to attend or listen for that matter, but here is hoping that Scranton students come out and make some noise for both the women and the men. Scranton and Juniata split the season series with both teams blowing out the other in their home gyms. I do believe that Randy Arnold was far from 100% when the Royals played at Juniata. I think he only took 2 shots and scored 2 points.


However, Juniata's victory of Susquehanna was pretty impresseive. It was a romp, they stomped on the Crusaders and will come into Scranton with a lot of confidence.


Bottom Line

 In a  very close game (however not as close as the Scranton-Moravian semifinal):


I'll take the Royals +3.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bigjoe on March 02, 2008, 09:14:35 pm
I was at the Scranton vs. Junianta title game and, without question, Scranton is the most improved squad I have seen over the past six weeks.  No superstars, who dominate a game, but Arnold is the best point guard in this conference or last year's conference and Ashworth is a pleasure to watch.  Tom Bicknell is a force, who gets the most out of his talent, and is the emotional catalyst for the team.  The rest of the squad plays Danzig basketball and nothing intimidates them.  This is one of the best-shooting teams I have seen, with 10 players who can contribute when called on.  Kirk can launch NBA 3's and Biagioli, who did not play against Junianta, is a great leaper with a nice all-around game.  Fitzpatrick will slash through the lane and can shoot on the run.  O'Connel and Fuller both come off the bench and hold their own.  Hawk is a very good passer with a nose for the ball.  Along with Bicknell, he gives Scranton just enough reboudning presence.   I believe Scranton will not only get an invitation to the tournament, but I also think they will make it to the 16.  After that, who knows?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 02, 2008, 10:11:54 pm
Good Stuff.


Glad to hear the result from this weekend. Congrats to the Landmark Conference Champions, hopefully the first of many.


Tomorrow should be an interesting day. We'll find out if the Royals are in and where they fall in the bracket.


Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2008, 01:07:36 pm
Wow.   BOTH Scranton and Moravian get in.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2008, 01:08:20 pm
Moravian gets in after losing its final three games of the season?
Pat, where is the Elms/Scranton game???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2008, 02:26:57 pm
Cold Case,


Game is at Gettysburg. Winner of the Elms (who?) Scranton game plays the winner of Gettysburg-Salem State.


I don't know when though, the Scranton athletic site is overloaded.

Congrats to Moravian on getting in!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 03, 2008, 02:38:17 pm
Elms is not bad. They won their last 13 games so this could be a great game.
I'll bet the house DeSales is a hornets nest right about now. Finish 21-6 and don't get an invite while Moravian not only gets in but hosts a game. This from a conference that doesn't even have an automatic qualififer. Funny stuff.
Who cares. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 03, 2008, 02:57:48 pm
Well, clearly, eligibility for a Pool B ended up being a benefit this year...who would have thought that you'd be better positioned for a bid by being a Pool B team?

I think there's probably more than a few eyebrows raised.  York's probably not too happy, either.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 03, 2008, 02:58:52 pm
How does Moravian get a bid in front of Juniata, who not only made the conference finals but is apparently ahead of Moravian in the most current regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2008, 06:32:06 pm
If Juniata was "apparently" ahead in a regional ranking that isn't even posted... they would be in. Moravian has a better resume than Juniata... that being said... I was SHOCKED that Moravian made it - and I said it on the show.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 03, 2008, 08:16:24 pm
Elms is not bad. They won their last 13 games so this could be a great game.
I'll bet the house DeSales is a hornets nest right about now. Finish 21-6 and don't get an invite while Moravian not only gets in but hosts a game. This from a conference that doesn't even have an automatic qualififer. Funny stuff.
Who cares. ;D


Okay but what kind of competition are they playing?


 Scranton is in a better bracket than say Moravian (and to the victor go the spoils), who plays 13-15 John Jay, but then has to play powerhourse Amherst in the 2nd round, or Kings, who plays Clarkson but then has to play at Plattsburg St.   Scranton on the other hand, can play with Elms College, Salem St, and Gettysburg.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 03, 2008, 08:25:17 pm
Dave,
Can you elaborate on how Moravian's resume is better than Juniata?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2008, 09:12:51 pm
Win-Loss Percentage against regional opponents
Moravian  17-8 .680
Juniata  16-9 .640

Strength of Schedule against regional competition
Moravian  0.464 0.501
Juniata  0.508 0.503

In-Region Head-to-Head competition
1-1 split - Juniata needed OT to beat Moravian at home; Moravian easily handled Juniata at their place

In-Region Results versus common regional opponents
Believe it or not, the Landmark conference games are the only common opponents.
Moravian 9-5 (LAND)
Juniata 9-5 (LAND)

Scranton: 1-2 for both teams
Susquehanna: 1-1 Moravian, 1-2 Juniata
Catholic: 1-1 Moravian, 2-0 Juniata
Goucher: 2-0 Moravian, 1-1 Juniata
Drew: 2-0 Moravian, 2-0 Juniata
Merchant Marine: 1-1 Moravian, 2-0 Juniata
Total - Moravian 8-5, Juniata 9-4
However, the extra lose to Susquehanna probably hurt a bit more for Juniata

In-Region Results versus regionally ranked teams:
I need to work that one a bit more... because I am so tired and I am not sure what the final regional rankings (since no one does). But I will get back to this.

It seems small... but the simple fact that Moravian had a better in region record... probably gave them the edge.

And for the record, I am completely SHOCKED that Moravian made the tournament. It is the ONLY think that has been glaringly wrong in the tourney. But that is MHO.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2008, 09:34:33 pm
In-Region Results versus regionally ranked opponents:
(this is based on the Week 3 ranked teams, so may not be perfect)

Ursinus - no games
Gettysburg - no games
Widener - no games
York - no games
DeSales - Moravian: lost (but since DeSales didn't make the tourney, I suspect this game didn't factor it)
Albright - no games
Lycoming - no games
Scranton - both teams were 1-2 against Scranton

I suspect there were other teams that made the final, but secret, regional rankings that probably gave the edge to Moravian. I am sure these games don't count, but Moravian has wins over Kean and Richard Stockton, both in the tournament. Juniata's only tournament opponent are Moravian and Scranton.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 03, 2008, 10:35:14 pm
Thanks for clearing that up with all those details, Dave. I thought maybe since Juniata made it to the finals and beat the #1 seed Susquehanna @ SU would have helped, and that Moravian lost their last 3. But oh well, that's why they have the selection comittees, right? I think a lot of people around the region are shocked that Moravian got in.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 03, 2008, 10:45:22 pm
First off...congrats are in order to the UofS for hanging in there while all the injuries healed & the ship was steared away from all the iceburgs. Best of luck to the "other" Landmark selection...Moravian in their bracket. That said...I really do question how Moravian really did get in. I mean how a team did in the last 25% of their games is actually supposed to account for something heading into the tournament & I'm sorry...losing a game to a very very sub par Catholic team when that victory will allow your team to clinch the top spot & then to get crushed by Scranton at Moravian on their Senior Night is simply not getting it done. Follow that up by another loss at home to Scranton in the FIRST round of the Landmark Tournament & that should be the ticket to the ECAC not the NCAA. I'm still hoping the selection committee can explain this move...thus far, nothing but a bunch of really minimal statistics that have many scratching their heads. However, now that we are all doubting the Greyhound selection...if I were Amherst...I'd prepare  hard...very hard for this game. By the way...John Jay is toast.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2008, 11:02:45 pm
    I almost got the daily double of the lady royals in the early game at Messiah and the men in the nitecap at Gburg. Could've seen the doubleheader since the schools are only 20 min apart; but I'll b happy with a short trip to see the men.

Dmac,
   Did/could you archive the men's show today? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 03, 2008, 11:18:28 pm
     Dmac,
         Sorry, just saw that you've already provided the link. and now I see the women are now hosting- must be because Rochester men have priority this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2008, 07:57:22 am
The "last 25% of the schedule" thing, I believe, was considered a secondary criteria. So, thus, it wasn't the first thing that came up. However, I do agree, Juniata had a better finish than Moravian did.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2008, 08:17:12 am
The "last 25% of the schedule" thing, I believe, was considered a secondary criteria. So, thus, it wasn't the first thing that came up. However, I do agree, Juniata had a better finish than Moravian did.
The "last 25% of the schedule" wording is new to the 2008 Handbook.  There is also the caveat that there must be approval from the Championships Committee.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 08:59:21 am
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2008, 09:48:37 am
Interesting tidbit for the Scranton-Elms matchup

Elms
33 Chris Hartmann So.  F 6-6 Canberra, Australia Canberra

Scranton
40 Tom Bicknell  C  6-8  230 Sr. Melbourne, Australia/St. Bede's College


Wonder if they know each other from playgrounds of Australia!



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:11:55 am
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.



Moravian is a Pool B team, DeSales is not eligible for a pool B bid, DeSales should have won the conf tournament to assure a spot.  When they did not win the conference they got placed into Pool C consideration and there were probably Mid-Atlantic teams ahead of them in the final regional rankings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2008, 10:25:19 am
It's not a question of how Moravian got in over Juniata, it's more of how Moravian even got in?
DeSales (and I'm not a fan of DeSales) should have been invited over Moravian. DeSales reached their conference final, had a better record and beat Moravian by 16. Wierd.

Another oddity from the weekend:
Anyone at the Scranton/Juniata doubleheader on Saturday may or may not have noticed something familiar during the postgame ceremonies. The plaques both women and men's teams were displaying in their team pictures were soccer plaques and they came directly out of the Scranton trophy case. Apparently the Landmark Conference didn't have the awards available. That's poor.



Well, its not really that strange when you consider that comparing Moravian to any team other than a Pool B-eligible team is irrelevant.  Moravian wasn't competing with DeSales for a spot.  They were really only competing with Chapman.  

The committee COULDN'T invite DeSales over Moravian.  That wasn't the question before them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 10:27:36 am
Knightstalker, it just wouldn't be you without playing the Devil's Advocate or chiming in with your two cents. Whoever came up with this stupid idea of Pool nonsense has issues. They should just go back to the way it was by picking the best teams, period!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:31:14 am
Cold Case, before the Pools it wasn't the best teams making the tournament.  Each region sent 8 teams.  That is when the NJAC sent 3 or 4 teams many years.  The Pool system is actually better, and in a couple of years we will be down to on one or two Pool B teams with more conferences getting the AQ.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 10:35:57 am
Cold Case, before the Pools it wasn't the best teams making the tournament.  Each region sent 8 teams.  That is when the NJAC sent 3 or 4 teams many years.  The Pool system is actually better, and in a couple of years we will be down to on one or two Pool B teams with more conferences getting the AQ.

Wait a minute. Aren't you the Don Agricola fan??
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 10:50:35 am
I watched him stumble back into his and my brothers room most nights when I was visiting my brother at Scranton.  He was a nice guy but always drunk.  Father Rock used to shake his head and wonder what he was going to do with that boy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2008, 11:02:42 am
Knightstalker, it just wouldn't be you without playing the Devil's Advocate or chiming in with your two cents. Whoever came up with this stupid idea of Pool nonsense has issues. They should just go back to the way it was by picking the best teams, period!
cold_case... the Pools make sure that teams get an equal opportunity to get in. Pool B is for those conferences without AQ's who are transitioning to those automatic qualifications or completely independent teams. Pool A is obviously the AQ teams. And Pool C is everyone else.

I would say it isn't that fair for teams who are independents that can't schedule nearly as many teams late in the season because of conference play, to have their difficulties compared head to head with those with large conference schedules - more games sometimes. So, I have no problem with them getting a few bids on their own.

And as for DeSales... they had some really bad losses this season and if they truely deserved to be in the tournament, they should have won their conference title. They didn't; they weren't invited. They may have had a chance if some other teams far better than they had won their conference titles. They didn't; DeSales was still not invited.

As for Moravian, I have stated I am very surprised they got in. If they deserve to be there, they will easily beat John Jay (who won their conference, and the favorite there - York, NY- didn't get in either) and then maybe shock everyone and beat Amherst!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 11:29:34 am
Let's see here. Since 'stalker and Dave came on in the past hour I've lost two karma points. Gee, I wonder who took them?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on March 04, 2008, 11:34:35 am
Nice unfounded accusation.  I never take karma without telling the person.  Maybe someone else took exception to your uninformed comments.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 04, 2008, 01:07:06 pm
I highly doubt D-Mac is out there bothering with karma points, either...

(And no, it wasn't me). 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2008, 01:57:12 pm
This is a long shot , but does anyone have some thoughts on Elms?


I see they have a ton of steals, one player with 100+

I also see they lost to Amherst and Brandeis, both of whom are in the NCAA Tournament by only a few points...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2008, 02:13:03 pm
Let's see here. Since 'stalker and Dave came on in the past hour I've lost two karma points. Gee, I wonder who took them?
Nice unfounded accusation.  I never take karma without telling the person.  Maybe someone else took exception to your uninformed comments.
Same here, cold_case... I would have told you if I had "smited" you!

Also... remember, people can +/- karma without posting!  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 04, 2008, 05:09:14 pm
Same here, cold_case... I would have told you if I had "smited" you!
Also... remember, people can +/- karma without posting!  :)

Maybe it's my old nemises from the Freedom. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 04, 2008, 09:29:58 pm
Cold_Case,

Maybe it was Don Agricola.




Okay so I was able to do a bit of research for Friday:


Elms is 2nd in the nation in steals behind only Grinnell.

Junior Guard Aswad Thomas is also 2nd in the nation with 3.7 steals per game.


Interesting Fact: This year they have not played in front of a crowd larger than 419.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 06, 2008, 09:38:29 am
http://www.gettysburgsports.com/Sports/mbball/2008/080303_MBB_NCAA_Regional.asp


Regional Website.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: old ends on March 06, 2008, 11:21:33 pm
I was hoping that Moravian would go futher in the playoff's. Did not think John Jay could pull it off but, they did.

John Jay 80 Moravian 74

Box score click here: http://www.moravian.edu/Athletics/basketball/games/MNCAA1.HTM
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 11:57:50 am
Well it is apparent I am not going to get much discussion on this board.



So with that being said and after Scranton's last Tourny appearance against William Paterson (70-45), I  won't offer any predictions for tonight.


Offense vs. Defense tonight.

Go Royals!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:02:58 pm
I'll discuss with you. What do you want to discuss? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2008, 12:07:22 pm
The Royals better control tempo & hit the open shots when they're there. Randy must limit the turnovers & when they press, Scranton has to attack like they did against Goucher. Two very contrasting styles...rock on Royals.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:46:59 pm
'toga are you lost or did you just happen to finally land in the right room?
Also, you going down to Gettysburg tonight? I'm leaving W-B at 2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2008, 12:49:54 pm
Leaving D.C. at 2:30.

Entire Scranton regional:
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 12:53:08 pm
"Scranton Regional" I like it!



Cold_Case,


Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:56:22 pm
Leaving D.C. at 2:30.
Entire Scranton regional:
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/

Pat, if 'toga is going down, he can be your color analyst. 8)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 12:59:19 pm
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 07, 2008, 01:30:37 pm
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.


Why would we want to do that? Sympathy for Clarkson? Anger at Kings?


This is the NCAA tourny. Things like this are going to happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on March 07, 2008, 01:32:27 pm
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

OK

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.


Why would we want to do that? Sympathy for Clarkson? Anger at Kings?


This is the NCAA tourny. Things like this are going to happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2008, 01:33:14 pm
CC: My daughter wants to see the Lady Royals tonight...so guess who wins that one? I certainly hope both win it's just that I'm really pulling for the men so we can then have a road trip tomorrow for the second battle of Little Round Top. As much as I'd love both to win...just so there is at least one more game somewhere for the Royals/Lady Royals that's all that matters.  CC, NEPAFAN, Pat & the guys I know heading to the mens game...safe travels.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 07, 2008, 01:46:07 pm
Pat: On your linked D-3 Cast schedule, they have the 6:00 game listed as Elms vs. Salem St. & 8:00 Scranton vs. Gettysburg. That may need a correction.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 07, 2008, 08:22:43 pm
how did that happen?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2008, 12:04:00 am
Well... the Landmark was lucky to get two teams in the tourney... and then disappointed. I was told that Elms was very good, so I will give that one to them. But for the record, I know John Jay, their schedule, and the same for Moravian... that should have been win for Moravian.

Oh well... get ready for next year!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 08, 2008, 01:00:10 am
    The Elms were a bigger,better,faster version of Goucher. They wore the Royals down with their defensive pressure and effort expended just to get the half-court offense started with 15 secs left for each possession. Elms had no one to stop Bicknell down low but he didn't get enough touches.
   Still, the royals led 42-39 but could have been up by twice that except for 3 pushing off fouls on inbound plays and dribbling off one's foot with the result the royals only got 16 shots in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2008, 01:03:03 am
ronk - thanks for that description... that actually helped me! I can see now why Scranton would have struggled. They had some trouble with Goucher, who is a year or two away from having a good squad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2008, 02:22:50 am
"Scranton Regional" I like it!

Cold_Case,
Want to discuss Karma ? Or Scranton basketball?

Actually, we can discuss why King's had two starters on the floor with 3:05 left to play and ahead by 32, while Clarkson already had 13 players in the game.


Why would we want to do that? Sympathy for Clarkson? Anger at Kings?


This is the NCAA tourny. Things like this are going to happen.

Were the starters perhaps seniors playing their final home game?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 08, 2008, 10:51:09 am
All in All a good first season for the Royals in the Landmark Conference.  The seniors, Arnold, Bicknell, and Kirk had a very impressive record during their time at Scranton. They overcame a lot of injuries and had a nice run to the conference championship.


I am not going to pretend that I am not dissapointed with another 1st Round NCAA tourny loss. This wasn't as bad as William Patterson but a letdown nevertheless.  Here is hoping that Scranton can bring in some players to replace Bicknell's size and effort. I am less concerned with their Guard play and am looking forward to seeing Ashworth, Hawk and Fitzpatrick play together.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on March 09, 2008, 12:12:37 pm
NEPAFAN: Agreed...a nice season considering some nagging injuries but, certainly some serious work to do if the Royals want to compete on the national level any longer. Great careers by Ryan Kirk, Randy Arnold & Tom Bicknell. All very best as they get closer to graduation & grad. school & in Tom's case...Medical School back in Australia. It's been a quick four years & its been a pleasure getting to talk to the wonderful parents of these kids through the years before & after the games. Great kids/Great families.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 12, 2008, 11:53:32 pm
    Possible offense for the next year Royals demoed in the Gburg-Salem State game after the loss to Elms when Gburg got at least 10 layups by its mobile big men(Powers/Spirenburg) from its Princeton offense using high post screens. It was beautiful to watch for an old-schooler.
    Biagioli and Hawk are matches in body types and athleticism with their Gburg counterparts and are capable of doing the same in that offense; without a Bicknell in the lane, it might be the way to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on March 13, 2008, 09:13:54 pm
NEPAFAN: Agreed...a nice season considering some nagging injuries but, certainly some serious work to do if the Royals want to compete on the national level any longer.

Saratoga,

Do you think there is the desire/commitment by the powers that be to once again compete on the national level?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 01:32:02 pm
Feature on the front page of interest to Final Four participants and fans here.

Faces of a champion (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/index.html)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on March 17, 2008, 03:23:55 pm
Great that you were able to include Pat Maloney in that group, Pat.   

Nothing will top the Red Sox winning the World Series in 2004 for me personally, but I don't think I've ever seen a run so improbably and exciting as Catholic had in 2001.   Not only did they win it all, but as you know they trailed by double digits fairly late in several of those tournament games.  I don't think I'll ever see a team with as much guts and character as those guys had.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on March 19, 2008, 02:42:03 pm
Congratulations to the Landmark Conference's 3 All Region Selections:
Josh Robinson, Susquehanna, 2nd Team
Brian Cannon, Juniata, 2nd Team
Tom Bicknell, Scranton, 3rd Team

All 3 of these players led their teams to great seasons and are all very deserving of the honor!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on March 24, 2008, 12:01:09 am
It was mentioned on the multiregional subject that Scranton is one of only 3 schools with championships in both men & women's bball. Wash U joined Wis-Stevens Point Saturday as the others. Rather select company.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on April 17, 2008, 08:40:19 pm
It has certainly been an exciting week for Catholic University.  Having Pope Benedict visit campus twice has been an unprecedented level of attention and prestige to the school.  Truly an exciting time to be an alum and I couldn't be prouder about the way that everything was handled. 

Can't hurt for recruiting, either... ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on April 18, 2008, 12:22:45 pm
Matt: Perhaps the real reason he visited is because he's applying for the womans hoop vacancy...the NYC & UN visits are just a cover.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on April 23, 2008, 05:52:42 pm
Danzig is being mentioned in the forums/blogs as one of the canidates as the next coach at Bucknell. Bucknell's head coach just retired and Danzig has close ties to the area. Danzig coached there and his father is in the Bucknell Hall of Fame.

I have no idea if Bucknell or Danzig are interested and it is a long list of candiates, but nevertheless:

http://boards.basketball-u.com/showtopic.php?tid/7527/tp/1/


http://00569a6.netsolhost.com/wordpresstest/?p=169

From the second link:

Carl Danzig – A holdover from Charlie Woollum’s staff, Danzig spent 11 seasons as an assistant at Bucknell before former Scranton A.D. Toby Lovecchio, a former Bucknell assistant A.D., hired him as the Royals head coach in 2001. Since then Danzig has compiled as 120-69 (.635) record, with three conference titles, including this past season, and three trips to the D-III tournament, including a sweet 16 in 2003.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 13, 2008, 02:45:09 am
So does anybody have anything to offer up in terms of recruits coming in for the teams this year? I see Scranton has on their website a nice update on who they have coming in, but I don't believe I have seen that anywhere else. With what little we know right now about the teams for next year does anyone care to speculate? I see Scranton, Catholic, and Merchant Marine being 3 of the top 4 next year. I don't know who I believe the fourth will be at this point, but those three teams I would bet money on being in the playoffs next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: bballfan112 on June 27, 2008, 12:34:01 pm
I think you could add Susquehanna to the mix. Even though they graduated Robinson and Cuff, they have back Majors and Patch to form a good 1-2 punch. Plus, you never know who they will have transferring in next.

Moravian and Juniata both lost a lot, so it will be interesting to see what kind of recruiting classes they both have coming in. I am not so sure what Drew and Goucher have coming back, but it does not look like Goucher lost a whole lot from last year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on June 27, 2008, 10:37:04 pm
Don't think Majors will be back at SU next year I think he transferred to Millersville. Goucher returns everyone I believe save a few role players underneath. Juniata has a very large recruiting class this year and Moravian I am sure will be doing the same. Juniata however returns more experience in my opinion then Moravian and will have Senior leaders where as Moravian will probably be dependent upon Bays for leadership and as the go to player.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 28, 2008, 10:48:40 pm
So does anybody have anything to offer up in terms of recruits coming in for the teams this year? I see Scranton has on their website a nice update on who they have coming in, but I don't believe I have seen that anywhere else. With what little we know right now about the teams for next year does anyone care to speculate? I see Scranton, Catholic, and Merchant Marine being 3 of the top 4 next year. I don't know who I believe the fourth will be at this point, but those three teams I would bet money on being in the playoffs next year.

Bballfan10,


Don't have more to add than what appeared on Scranton's website. Jaskula at 6'7 could be a replacement for Bicknell. However, Scranton losses a lot this year with Arnold and Kirk also moving on.   Thanks for striking up some conversation!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 02, 2008, 11:51:44 pm
Yes sounds like a potential replacement, but I think Paul Hawk, Fuller, and Biagioli will all be able to pick up the slack for the departed big man, what do you think? I guess in a sense you could also include Hawk's younger brother as a member of this years incoming class. I heard/read good things about him, do you know if he is a possible impact player for Scranton this year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 03, 2008, 02:41:55 pm
Yes sounds like a potential replacement, but I think Paul Hawk, Fuller, and Biagioli will all be able to pick up the slack for the departed big man, what do you think? I guess in a sense you could also include Hawk's younger brother as a member of this years incoming class. I heard/read good things about him, do you know if he is a possible impact player for Scranton this year?

Luke Hawk is the best player on the roster. Ashworth is a distant second, which tells you something about Luke Hawk.
They also have a 6-5 banger (Ivan Bogovich), he can rebound as good as anyone but his scoring will come off rebounds (kid can't shoot to save his life).
The new kid (Jaskula) is so-so. Scranton may be using the three-point arc more than anytime since its inception.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 08, 2008, 09:20:24 pm
Didn't know that about Hawk. Look forward to seeing how he develops through his career, and what he and Ashworth accomplish together. Another guy worth mentioning in my opinion from Scranton is Londo. I believe he can make an impact. Seemed like a good athlete who just didn't have a total grasp of what the coach wanted last year. Anyone have anything to add about Catholic (Matt)? I am interested to hear about them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 08, 2008, 09:22:11 pm
NEPA and Cold Case: Being from that side of the state, do either of you know anything about Moravian and how their recruits and returners look?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 09, 2008, 07:55:32 pm
bballfan10,


Interesting take on Londo. I know that he has been battling injuries throughout his college career. I think he will certainly be in the mix in the front court for the Royals and will probably have a chance to show what he's got.


Sorry I can't provide any insight into Moravian, although I do believe they are losing alot?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 10, 2008, 10:51:23 am
Well I have only seen him twice in person (1 of those games he was pretty impressive) so it may be an unfair judgement on my part, I am just speculating on why he wasnt playing. Injuries problly should have come to mind first now that I think back he had a huge brace on his leg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on July 11, 2008, 10:55:13 am
Well I have only seen him twice in person (1 of those games he was pretty impressive) so it may be an unfair judgement on my part, I am just speculating on why he wasnt playing. Injuries problly should have come to mind first now that I think back he had a huge brace on his leg.

Pretty impressive? You must have seen him play volleyball. He was all-state in that sport in high school.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 12, 2008, 09:22:14 am
Yes, Scranton has had some bad luck with injuries. Luke Hawk going down in practice last year, and an injury to Bogovich.


There was an article somewhere about everything Londo over came injury wise, I'll try and find it..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on July 16, 2008, 12:36:28 pm
 i know this has nothing to do with D III baskeball and most who read this will really care less but ,, for anyone interested , former CUA coach  Mike Lonergan will be in town on Nov 21, Friday  when the Univ. of Vermont takes on the Univ. of MD ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 16, 2008, 01:02:21 pm
There was an article somewhere about everything Londo over came injury wise, I'll try and find it..

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19359792&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on July 17, 2008, 10:10:36 pm
There was an article somewhere about everything Londo over came injury wise, I'll try and find it..

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19359792&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=416049&rfi=6

+ Karma, that is the article...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on July 27, 2008, 11:43:31 pm
Juniata posted an article on their website about their incoming class. It's a large class that looks like it will be able to contribute a little bit of everything from the sound of it (size, shooting, etc.) The most important thing is for there to be a PG that emerges from this group to run the team. Here is the link.

http://www.juniata.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.html?SHOWARTICLE+3392
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 01, 2008, 09:48:11 am
Juniata posted an article on their website about their incoming class. It's a large class that looks like it will be able to contribute a little bit of everything from the sound of it (size, shooting, etc.) The most important thing is for there to be a PG that emerges from this group to run the team. Here is the link.

http://www.juniata.edu/athletics/mbasketball/news.html?SHOWARTICLE+3392


Thanks for the link. Juniata lands a Catholic transfer huh?

Ryan Jones
F, Coudersport, Pa./Coudersport

Ryan will be transferring to Juniata College from Catholic University of America, where he has been a member of the Catholic men's basketball team for the past two seasons. He will have junior athletic eligibility at Juniata



So Scranton is really only bringing in two players in this year's recruiting class?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 01, 2008, 10:26:22 am
I'd be very surprised if that was the case for Scranton. Coming off another NCAA year and having lost a very good senior class I would have thought this one would be at least 4 or 5 good soild players.

Supposedly there is another Catholic player transferring to Salisbury University in MD. I didn't get a name but I was told he was 6'8. Possibly McGrew? If so that would be a huge loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 01, 2008, 02:48:45 pm
I'd be very surprised if that was the case for Scranton. Coming off another NCAA year and having lost a very good senior class I would have thought this one would be at least 4 or 5 good soild players.

Supposedly there is another Catholic player transferring to Salisbury University in MD. I didn't get a name but I was told he was 6'8. Possibly McGrew? If so that would be a huge loss.


Interesting, something to watch for.........Salisbury is a lot cheaper, right?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 03, 2008, 05:22:49 pm
Salisbury is FAR cheaper than CUA (one of the reasons CUA and GOU left the CAC for the Landmark - financially they couldn't compete with SAL and others). However, surprised if the move was made for team-reasons. I would put CUA above SAL right now (and over the last 10 years).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on August 03, 2008, 09:50:43 pm
Salisbury is FAR cheaper than CUA (one of the reasons CUA and GOU left the CAC for the Landmark - financially they couldn't compete with SAL and others). However, surprised if the move was made for team-reasons. I would put CUA above SAL right now (and over the last 10 years).

 Losing players should not happen to one of the two teams that are the future of the league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Cardinal guy on August 04, 2008, 05:45:17 pm
Catholic lost John Ginnity (sp?) when he transferred to Clark and still managed to win the national title, beating Clark in the Elite 8 on Clark's home floor in the process.

Kids transfer for many reasons. Not all of the kids who transfer are ... shall we say ... impact players.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 04, 2008, 08:31:48 pm
CG- Do you know who it is that supposedly transfered to Salisbury? Also, do you have any news about who Catholics new recruits will be this year? Something I found interesting that I heard about CUA recently was that they continued to practice even after the game against Goucher until the last day the NCAA permits it. Could have been some valuable time and lessons learned in that stretch, I was just interested if anyone else had heard of their team doing this?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2008, 11:20:53 am
I have heard of some coaches threatening to do it but none that actually did so, at least not all the way up through the final four.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 05, 2008, 04:11:48 pm
I have heard of being threatened as well before, however it never came to frutition. I'm not sure if it was through the Final Four I just assumed it was 2 weeks extra or something close to that. If they practiced through the Final Four then I could see why some guys may choose to leave.

DMAC- Who is the player from Goucher that I believe is from Walbrook or Woodlawn (I know it was with a W) who sat out last year with a knee injury? I don't know if you have seen him recently but looks to be in great shape and will be one of Gouchers best players next year if not the best. He will be a real tough matchup for teams in the league next year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2008, 05:44:26 pm
I don't know how long they practiced, obviously, but you are permitted to practice through the date of the championship game. (Makes sense, when you think about it.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 05, 2008, 08:47:16 pm
Pat-Yea I never really looked into that rule. Unless I was playing in the championship game I wouldnt be to happy still practicing and from what I have heard doesnt seem like the CUA players were either.

In addition to Jones leaving for Juniata, I have heard that McGrew transfered to Salisbury Univ, Wes Parker to the Univ. of MD where I suppose he could potentially walk on (he is better then the one walk on I know there just not as tall), and Danny Quinn to D1 Towson University just down the road from Goucher where he will play basketball from what I have heard. This is a HUGE hit to CUA. At times last year this was 3/5 of their starting lineup. I had thought going into this season that CUA would be the favorite, but now with these defections I feel it may be difficult for them to even make the conference tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on August 05, 2008, 08:59:07 pm
Pat-Yea I never really looked into that rule. Unless I was playing in the championship game I wouldnt be to happy still practicing and from what I have heard doesnt seem like the CUA players were either.

In addition to Jones leaving for Juniata, I have heard that McGrew transfered to Salisbury Univ, Wes Parker to the Univ. of MD where I suppose he could potentially walk on (he is better then the one walk on I know there just not as tall), and Danny Quinn to D1 Towson University just down the road from Goucher where he will play basketball from what I have heard. This is a HUGE hit to CUA. At times last year this was 3/5 of their starting lineup. I had thought going into this season that CUA would be the favorite, but now with these defections I feel it may be difficult for them to even make the conference tournament.


Some breaking news on the Landmark on a hot summer nite. Bball you have a source for all of this info?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 05, 2008, 10:32:49 pm
I had the opportunity to talk to a player on their team tonight which is where my news is coming from, so unless he was just pulling my leg I would assume this to be pretty factual information.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 07, 2008, 03:49:21 pm
DMAC- Who is the player from Goucher that I believe is from Walbrook or Woodlawn (I know it was with a W) who sat out last year with a knee injury? I don't know if you have seen him recently but looks to be in great shape and will be one of Gouchers best players next year if not the best. He will be a real tough matchup for teams in the league next year.
I am blanking at this point... but that is mainly because I haven't been on the Goucher campus in a few months (it has been a very busy summer!). I think I know who you are refering to, but until I am for sure I am not going to speculate. Give me a bit to get back to you!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 31, 2008, 04:18:34 pm
Don't think Majors will be back at SU next year I think he transferred to Millersville.

Actually, he's back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on August 31, 2008, 11:05:27 pm
My mistake then. Buddy of mine said he talked to him at a summer league game and he was with the Millersville team and said he would not be going back to SU and was transferring to Mville. That defn helps SU out.

DMAC- The player I was talking about from before's name is Reggie
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on September 17, 2008, 11:34:21 am
Recruits/Transfers/Scholarships revoked/anything? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on October 08, 2008, 10:36:41 pm
I read that there is a new coach at Drew:

http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/1c7c34138b/drew-hires-head-coach/

What happened to Coach Townes???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 08, 2008, 11:05:48 pm
Just a hunch...new A.D....new people loyal to him. Happens all the time. Sometimes the right move...sometimes a horrible decision. As they say, the proof will be in the results. The flip side is should the AD get a little power hungry & bring in all new coaches one by one & they just don't get it done...guess who's the next person shown the door. Coach Townes knew the game...just didn't have the greatest talent to work with most of the time. You can go back the last two coaches prior to Coach Townes...winning percentage well below .500 & that covers about 20 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 09, 2008, 10:44:51 pm
I have yet to wander over here since registering on these boards recently, but I worked for the program at Wilkes each of the last four seasons during my undergrad days. I remember Coach Keckler well from our scrimmages with Gettysburg over the last two seasons- a young and energetic guy who will do well at Drew hopefully. On the same toke, Coach Townes was a very nice person to deal with and did indeed do well with what he had to work with- best wishes to him with whatever he chooses to pursue.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 13, 2008, 11:52:39 am
I hear that Canio will be making yet another return to the Scranton sidelines this season. Since the Royals lost 9 overall games last year & 6 of them were decided by less than 10 points...I guess the feeling is a little more emphasis on D may have made a huge difference. In addition, Scranton won the Landmark with 5 losses & certainly at least 4 of them could have been won with a bit more attention on the defensive end. To say the least...the defensive effort last season was certainly lacking. Two buzzer beating losses to MMA, a non second half effort vs. Susquehanna  & in their first Landmark Conference game against Moravian they simply had no clue...and two of their conference losses were at home.Then there was their first round NCAA game vs. Elms...again no idea regarding adjustments and another one & out demolition. Canio's return will be huge from getting a fairly talented group ready to play D and make in-game adjustments...big question is who runs the point and who fills the huge void left by the graduation of Tom Bicknell? Word has it that a former Royal is returning but, other than that...not much coming out of Royalville camp. Some nice talent returning...just not much info on who may have come in. This is also a pivotal year to bring in a good group of freshmen since a number of starters will graduate this year. Not sure of the secrecy...I guess we'll see soon enough though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 13, 2008, 10:57:42 pm
Saratoga,
   The men did announce 2 newcomers- a point guard  and a 6' 7" center, both from Philly suburbs(May 23 announcement). 
    As for the point, none of the returnees have shown that he is the choice. Zach is better as a 2 than a 1.
   Hopefully, Canio can continue to make a difference, defensively. He and I go back a long ways to pickup ball in the Prep schoolyard. The loss to Elms wasn't due to the defense, however. They got worn out working against the Elms pressure defense so that they did little offensively the last 10 minutes.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on October 14, 2008, 09:34:22 am
They got worn out working against the Elms pressure defense so that they did little offensively the last 10 minutes.   

Maybe if Scranton recruited true position players instead of all these "combo" players, you wouldn't come on here and post a weak excuse?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on October 14, 2008, 01:39:13 pm
  Not an excuse-just the reality of the opponent. There's little  prep in Landmark or Freedom competition for the intensity and skill of NCAA level play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 14, 2008, 02:52:36 pm
Ronk: Yes, I saw the release about the two freshmen coming in back in May. However, I'm a bit surprised about the silence on other recruits...unless of course, there are no more. I realize Scranton is probably counting red-shirt freshmen Ivan Bogavich & Luke Hawk in this class...I just don't see where the primary needs have been met ie. post player who can score & rebound & point. I'm pretty sure a junior will have the inside track on the point...just not sold on his overall game. Tends to make unnecessary & careless passes, is not that quick... as in leading a fast break & has a tendency to pick up the dribble which leads to double teams and turnovers. I do know the Royals did not get either one of two outstanding players from Scranton Prep which has to hurt. One is headed to Ithaca & the other to Rochester.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 14, 2008, 08:25:00 pm
Saratoga,

Who were the players from Prep? As a local whose senior basketball season was not too long ago, I try to keep an eye on talent in the area, but I don't remember seeing anything on any players from Prep going to the schools you mentioned. Thanks for the info though.

On a related note, having also worked for the Colonels football program, I can tell you that Rochester is one of the few D3 schools to have established a strong recruting base here in NEPA- they have several players from Prep and other local schools on their football roster, so I am not suprised if that carries over to the basketball program
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on October 15, 2008, 10:55:03 am
Chris Dende is headed to the UofR & Matt FitzPatrick is from what I've been told, going to Ithaca. I was told this back in the summer so I'm not sure if anyone changed their minds since then. In the case of the latter player, his cousin is a senior starter for the Royals so this comes as a bit of a surprise. Both players are very good & led Scranton Prep to a Pennsylvania AAA Final Four this past season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 15, 2008, 12:27:45 pm
Looking forward to the Royals roster which should coincide with the University's new athletics website.


In other news:

Former Juniata Basketball Standout To Play Professionally
HUNTINGDON, Pa. - Former Juniata College forward Brian Cannon '08 (Fallston, Md./Fallston) returns to the basketball court this week, but his chances of winning aren't great. He's playing for a team whose own website touts the fact it has won just one game, while losing... maybe thousands.

Cannon will be playing for the Washington Generals, touring opponent of the Harlem Globetrotters, when the Globetrotters open an international tour on this week in Tel Aviv, Israel.

The tour will take Cannon to Israel, Turkey, Bosnia, and Romania over the next month, before he returns home in early November.

"I know he's excited about it," said Generals general manager John Ferrari, who signed Cannon.

"Brian is exactly the type of player I'm looking for - he's fundamentally sound and he was well coached in college," said Ferrari. "I love D-III guys; they're doing something they've been doing since they have been five or six years old, and they want to keep doing it. This is a great fit for the young man."

Cannon completed his Juniata career with 1,391 points and 579 career rebounds, becoming just the fifth player in program history to finish with both 1,000 points and 500 boards. He tallied 521 points during his senior campaign, good enough to place third among Juniata's single season scoring leaders.

"It's nice to see someone rewarded for the efforts they put into our program," said Juniata head coach Greg Curley, who recruited and coached Cannon for all four years at Juniata.

"For all of us that do this, all of us who are basketball guys, you probably dream of the opportunity to play professionally at some level, and the opportunity to do this is unique in itself - the experience he's going to have touring throughout the country and around the world. He had other opportunities to pursue on a professional level, but I think this one, for him coming out of college and the experience it would give him, is without question the best," said Curley.

Cannon earned First team All-Landmark Conference honors, and was a Second team All-Region selection by d3hoops.com. He led the Eagles to back-to-back appearances in conference championship games - first in the Commonwealth Conference in 2006, then in the Landmark Conference in 2007 - and a pair of ECAC Division III South Region Championship appearances.

While Cannon was used almost exclusively a post player during his Juniata career due to his size, Ferrari sees him in a different role with the Generals.

"He's a big body, but I've got a lot of bigger bodies on the roster so I'm going to use him in a variety of positions," said Ferrari. "I told him I wanted him to shoot more, and his eyes lit up. So I'm going to use him as a swing man, probably a '3' (small forward) or a '4' (power forward)."

The Washington Generals, owned by Philadelphia native Louis "Red" Klotz, have been the tour opponent of the Globetrotters since 1953, although they have played under a variety of names at times in their history. During the 1971-72 season, the Generals played as the Boston Shamrocks, the New Jersey Reds, the Baltimore Rockets, and the Atlantic City Seagulls, before adopting the moniker "New York Nationals" from 1995 to 2007.

It was as the New Jersey Reds that the team had its last win over the Globetrotters, a 100-99 win in 1971 in Martin, Tenn., which ended the Globetrotters' 2,495-game winning streak.

The Generals and the Globetrotters touring teams will begin a U.S. tour in mid-December, which includes stops in Pittsburgh at Mellon Arena on December 26, 2008, and Lewisburg, Pa., on February 8, 2009.

"I'm just really excited and happy for Brian," said Curley. "He's a guy who had a terrific career and gave our program a lot, and the fact that maybe his experience here helps him get somewhere he wants to go, or adds to the rest of his life is fantastic."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on October 29, 2008, 02:01:04 pm
2008-09 Small College Hoops Preseason Poll

1. Washington U. (MO)
2. Wisconsin-Whitewater
3. Capital
4. Ursinus
5. Randolph-Macon
6. Augustana
7. Widener
8. Wisconsin-Stevens Point
9. Wheaton (IL)
10. UMass. Dartmouth
11. Mary Hardin-Baylor
12. Buena Vista
13. Amherst
14. Gettysburg
15. Wooster
16. St. Thomas
17. Centre
18. Scranton
19. Lawrence
20. Puget Sound
21. Brandeis
22. Virginia Wesleyan
23. Salem St.
24. Cortland
25. Albion



Title: Scrimmages?
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 07, 2008, 01:23:15 pm
So no one is scrimmaging this weekend?? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: D3Basketball on November 07, 2008, 01:36:08 pm
All boards are dead at this time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2008, 09:35:49 am
Goucher scrimmaged its Alumni last night and it w as a pretty competitive game. Goucher has certainly improved over last year and has a bit more depth that can contribute off the bench than in years past.

There are a couple of freshmen on the team who will be contributing from game one this season. I haven't seen a Gopher squad as athletic or on the right page in a number of years. That being said, they look like a small team then they will face in the conference. However, that might not be a big problem.

At one point last night the Alumni had Pretz Durgovic and Garritt Smith on the floor at the same time - two of the bigger and talented players Goucher has ever had inside. I immediately thought, oh boy... the Gophers are in trouble with this lineup. Trevino immediately countered with a small lineup - taking out his tallest player on the court at the time (Ryan Comstock)... and it actually worked. Granted, the alumni aren't in the same shape - though Pretz looked like if he a few weeks of two-a-days he would be just as dangerous as he was in the late '90s. However, the adjustment worked to the benefit of the Gophers.

Now... the game was at least a 20 points spread at several times in the 2nd half, but the alumni kept chipping into it and with less than a minute they where within 6. The reason? The young Gophers started making mental erros and probably thought they had put the very talented alumni team away. They need to finish games this season. Goucher has the ability to win a lot of games this season, but they have to finish games, not make mental mistakes especially in the 2nd half, and stay aggressive. We shall see.

By the way for some of you who remember, here were some of the alumni playing in the game:
Pretz Durcovic
Garritt Smith
Pierre Jones
Clay Nunley
Jonathan Garritt
James Russo
Layfatte Melton
Logan Herring
Tim Merritt
Tony Posterero
Damian Pitts
... and many others. And Bernard Threat, Vince Williams, and Bakari Ward were in attendance, but not playing. Not a bad collection of talent who played very well - almost like they hadn't been off the court for years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2008, 12:36:08 pm
So Catholic had an exhibition game against D1 Loyola, and Goucher scrimmaged their old guys?  HA!

Of course, I think Goucher is actually pretty well positioned in the league this year and should be a strong contender.    The Cardinals have just lost so much...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 09, 2008, 03:50:24 pm
Just wondering...does the Landmark have a pre-season luncheon where the coaches go out on a limb and pick the potential order of finish like so many other conferences? It just seems very dead from the perspective of news filtering out of HQ. just one week before tipoff.  Matt: what has Catholic "lost"? From what I remember, they were a pretty young team last season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 09, 2008, 07:33:33 pm
Saratoga,
  Yes, CUA was all underclassmen, but Matt may be referring to the 4 xfers mentioned by bballfan10 on 5 Aug; don't know how many materialized because none of Juniata,Salisbury or CUA have updated their rosters for this year, but Quinn doesn't show on Towson's roster.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 09, 2008, 07:43:10 pm
Yes, several Catholic players transfered--three promising freshman and Quinn.

I'm not going to get into details, but my understanding is that none of them were for basketball reasons, and I don't believe that all of them will continue to play basketball, though I know at least one will.

Its a shame because Catholic would have had a very talented nucleus of young players, and this does set them back once again.  They have another big class of freshmen, but like last year, there will be a learning curve I'm sure. 

ROY of the Jason Banzhof was not one of the players that transfered, though--he will be back.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 10, 2008, 11:00:36 am
Thanks Ronk & Matt...losing good young kids you've already invested at least one year with has to get old. However, such is the beast called D-III athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: MACfan08 on November 10, 2008, 11:41:31 am
Well Scranton to be ranked in the top 25 preseason is a very bold call. I watched them scrimmage kings this weekend who lost 95% of their scoring graduated 8 srs and came into scranton with 8 freshman on the team which 2 of them start and the first guy off the bench was a freshman as well.  Kings who i was told got blown out of the gym by bloomsburg the week before only lost to scranton by 4 or 5.  Kings out played them and the only reason they lost was because they could not execute at the end of the game which is expected from a young team.  Scranton is going to have some questions marks that people may want to realize.  They looked very suspect at the point guard spot.  Two different kids were bringing the ball up and neither did a great job.  Starting their offense from about ten feet behind the three point line and not really getting out on the break.  I hope they turn it around because they have a very sr dominated team and have the talent to be good but they needed to take a young very raw team in kings and blow them out of the gym it should not have been a close scrimmage at all and in the end kings had a chance to win. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 10, 2008, 03:27:09 pm
MACfan08...thanks for the update & it sounds just about as expected. If Scranton could not win even one NCAA game with last seasons team, it may be next to impossible with this one. Last year they had a true point & 4 year starter & one of the best, if not the best post players in the Landmark & they barely got in the Landmark playoffs to start with & even though they won it...there were times during the season the Royals looked like they never played the game before. Then, just like 2 seasons before that...they were blown out in a 1st. round game. This year, with no true point & no serious post presence, I question how far they can really go. I see a team of perimiter shooters firing up at will & nobody that will be effective at clearing the boards for 40 minutes for second chance shots. I also think they are subject to the press & double teams and there really isn't any team speed that will hurt teams running up & down on them. Naturally, when they are on they can shoot the lights out...but, just like their NCAA game vs. Elms...a quick & somewhat physical team just isn't going to give them anything. Too bad they never played a Princeton style offense as that is how this group of kids could drive more talented teams crazy. Back door cut after back door cut with kick outs to their 3 point shooters & giving the few you have that will hit the boards this year a chance to get in position for second chance shots & resets. One big differnce this year will be the addition of Canio back running the D...so that is a very big plus...just not sold on how far this team can go even with his help. Not having a true point or running the point by committee is a proven recipe for disaster in just about any league.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 10, 2008, 08:40:03 pm
Saratoga-

I agree with the lack of a post presence. Not sure why a replacement for Bicknell wasn't recruited, when you essentially had two years to do it. It will be interesting to see who leads the Royals in rebounding this year. I do think you will see a lot more cuts and slashing to the basket this year.


As far as the point, wasn't Ashworth a point guard in high school? I believe it is his job to lose this year. Let's see what happens. I think the Royals are in better shape at the point than in the post. While I appreciate Macfan's recap it  sounds like he writes for the King's newspaper. I am going to reserve judgement until after the tip off tourny this weekend. Let the games begin!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 11, 2008, 01:10:55 pm
I must be crazy because I think Scranton has one of the top two teams in the league going into this year and another legit shot at the NCAA. IMHO Ashworth and Biagioli will be 2 of the best players in the league and certainly All Conference players, Hawk is a skilled big who plays good defense and is an above average rebounder, and Fitzpatrick is lights out. With regards to the rebounding the team has 8 players listed at 6'6 or taller I am sure at least 1 or 2 of these guys can go in there and do the job. Of these 8 players 5 of them are either Freshman or Sophomores so we havent had the opportunity to see what they could do yet. In addition to this I thought I read that Luke Hawk was a stud (granted that was before injury so who knows what kind of player he is now).

I am by no means a Scranton follower or that knowledgeable about the players on the team because I have only seen them in person a few times so I may be making some judgements that are out of line but I would like to hear a more in depth analysis of the team from someone who has a little more knowledge of them then myself.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 11, 2008, 04:15:42 pm
bballfan10:  Don't get me wrong...Scranton will be pretty good, it's just that I seriously doubt they are that much better this year when they lost their point & the best big man in the league. The fact is, they couldn't even get one win in the NCAA's with those guys so I do question where the assists & rebounds will be coming from this season.   There is no question that Zach Ashworth can get the job done at the point...the problem is at this level his true position is the 2 guard. He is constant motion and works as hard as anyone to come off screens & nail jumper after jumper & just when you come out after him, he'll blow by his man for a layup. By him running the show, much of his own personal strengths are taken away.  As for rebounds...last year Tom Bicknell averaged 11.5 per game...nobody else on the Royals was even a close second. You have to drop all the way down to Paul Hawk at 4.5 for the next in line & Biagioli was 3rd. at 3.5. Hence, my concern. Just because a particular team has some size in no way equates into an automatic post presence. Paul has never enjoyed playing down low as his game has always been outside. Obviously, when Scranton can create some mismatches they'll try and get him down low but, his game usually does not flourish on the blocks.  As for Biagioli, he can certainly bang with the best but again, he is more of a wing player who'll slash to the hoop not live down there. Another thing with Paul...he led Scranton in fouling out last year & does tend to pick up silly fouls...therefore, put him down low & out of his natural position & he may not average 16 minutes per game & now you lose his creativity with the ball.  I think Scranton's lack of ability to bring in big kids & a point over the last two years that are game ready when they knew this day was near will hurt them dearly if not this year, then most certainly next.   One thing going for the Royals is Canio will certainly improve the perimeter defense which was lacking much of last year & if the guys box out then maybe 4 or 5 guys can average decent rebound numbers that will help pick up Tom's departed stats. The hopes are high...let's wish for the best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 11, 2008, 06:22:52 pm
Preseason poll came out today

1. Scranton
2. USMM
3. Susq
4. CUA
5. JC
6. GC
7. MC
8. Drew

Toga- I didn't mean to come off as saying that because they have size they will have a rebounder, I was trying to make the point they have options I didn't mean to sound stupid there. With regards to Bicknell and his great rebounding numbers it certainly benefited him that he never had to guard the other teams best post player where as Hawk, Biagioli, and Fuller all had that distinction. Instead of being out of rebounding position and picking up fouls guarding the other teams best big he had the luxury of letting the other guys do that for him while he was allowed to focus on rebounding ( this also contributing to the others high foul numbers i.e. Hawk). Also contributing to Hawks low minutes per game I believe he had an injury that limited him in a few games.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 11, 2008, 08:28:51 pm
Preseason poll came out today

1. Scranton
2. USMM
3. Susq
4. CUA
5. JC
6. GC
7. MC
8. Drew


USMM returns all their starters and beat Scranton twice. Moravian must have lost a ton...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 12, 2008, 12:13:27 am
I think USMMA will be the other top team in the league and I believe they have the most valuable player in the league in Samuels. Right now I would pick him as my favorite for POY as long as the Merch Marines play to their capabilities.

With regards to Moravian they lose their top 4 PPG, RBG, and MPG guys as well as Siracusa and Bays. They do return Weaver and Young but the team is very young and has only one Senior in Dave Bowden who missed all of last year with an injury. Could be a difficult year for them.

Think the wild card teams will defn be the 3-6 teams. All of these teams suffered significant losses but all return a number of talented players as well.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 13, 2008, 02:30:10 pm
With Scranton no longer coming to the Marts Center, I only saw the Royals once last season, in the matinee special vs. Hartwick. From what I know of the players returning the Royals still have a greta deal of talent and I would imagine they will be right in the mixfor the conference title. In terms of the point, it was always my understanding that O'Connell was recruited as the heir apparent to Arnold, but you guys know the deal better than I do for sure.

Looking at Bicknell and the rebounding, his abilities and contributions are something that isn't exactly replaced by just plugging one guy into the mix. Rather, I look at such a situation and enjoy seeing how the coaching staff adjusts to compensate for the lost production. It may take two or three guys in different roles to get the job done on the boards, so keep a eye out as to who is getitng the job done on that end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 14, 2008, 07:45:24 am
You guys get that whole "automatic bid" thing straightened out yet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2008, 10:06:38 am
No Season Previews in the local papers?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 14, 2008, 12:33:33 pm
NEPAFAN: Season previews? In the local papers? That's a good one...they don't even know the Royals & Lady Royals exist until the playoffs roll around. I remember two years ago when the Lady Royals were in Springfield at the Final Four...the Scranton Times had their "beat reporter" up there writing all this wonderful stuff about the program, the players, the coaches & the fans like he knew what he was even writing about. In reality, prior to that weekend, he couldn't tell you who Taryn Mellody was in a lineup of only 3 players. On the other hand, if you want to read about some washed up hockey player in his 29th. AHL season...they'll print his glorious life history every day for a month.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 14, 2008, 12:39:09 pm
NEPAFAN: Season previews? In the local papers? That's a good one...they don't even know the Royals & Lady Royals exist until the playoffs roll around. I remember two years ago when the Lady Royals were in Springfield at the Final Four...the Scranton Times had their "beat reporter" up there writing all this wonderful stuff about the program, the players, the coaches & the fans like he knew what he was even writing about. In reality, prior to that weekend, he couldn't tell you who Taryn Mellody was in a lineup of only 3 players. On the other hand, if you want to read about some washed up hockey player in his 29th. AHL season...they'll print his glorious life history every day for a month.


I remember last year a fairly detailed write up on the transition to the Landmark Conference, I believe there were at least two articles.  I guess that was a one time thing?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2008, 01:12:22 am
You guys get that whole "automatic bid" thing straightened out yet?

NCAA has a two-year waiting period on new conferences.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ColonelJohn4Life on November 15, 2008, 07:25:07 am
You guys get that whole "automatic bid" thing straightened out yet?
NCAA has a two-year waiting period on new conferences.

Pat, it's not that you were able to answer the question.
It's that you were able to answer it, succinctly, at 1:22 AM.
Bravo...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cugrad on November 16, 2008, 03:06:38 am
Catholic over Adrian 80-78
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 16, 2008, 06:38:21 pm
Saratoga,

In case you missed it, the Scranton Times-Tribune ran a decent season preview on Saturday. Still not quite as comprehensive as it should be- as none of the teams covered got a good deal of info in- but better than nothing. Sadly, the days of the local papers giving priority to the local D3 schools is far gone, but cheers for the occasional good write-up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 16, 2008, 10:13:24 pm
Gman-WU...yes, I did see the attempt at a local synopsis. As you indicate...not quite as comprehensive as it should be...but, better than the usual nothing. Chances are we'll see nothing but 2 sentence write ups from this point till early Feburary & then, should either Royals team start playoff action...there may be an actual sighting of a reporter or a facsimile thereof. It wasn't that long ago that the Royals AND Lady Royals had their own assigned reporters covering each & every game...now JV high school ball gets as much coverage. Congrats to the Royals for winning the Championship of the Lycoming Tourney...Zach Ashworth...MVP. If it wasn't for the Scranton SID Dept. giving the actual writeup to the paper...they'd have no clue whatsoever. Can't wait to see tomorrows writeup!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 17, 2008, 01:14:01 am
Catholic blew out Saint Joseph's of Brooklyn today 88-43 to win the Mount Aloy. tournament in PA.  Cardinals were led by Jason Banzhof's 18 points.  I believe he had 28 in the opening round win.

Nice way to start the season.  Catholic's first home game is Wed. against Washington and Lee.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 17, 2008, 02:41:42 pm
Susquehanna beat Neumann, 59-57, for the White Rose City Classic Championship this weekend. They beat Misericordia in the opener, 76-67.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 19, 2008, 10:50:24 am
According to Scranton's really old and slow website:

http://academic.uofs.edu/department/athletics/mens_basketball.html


Tonight's game at Cabrini will be on Video, Radio, and Live Stats!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 19, 2008, 01:49:46 pm
I thought I heard Scranton was getting a new website? Not yet? I agree, that old one is bad.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 04:55:15 pm
NEPAFAN & The Grove: You are so right about Scranton's antiquated web site. I swear that is the poster child for the Slowski turtles. The sad part is their Athletic Dept. has been stating that they are in the process of "redesigning" that site since mid September. They've already lost all their fall sports and are now into the second week of the basketball season with no visable upgrade. Their delay in improving the site is an embarrassment to the university and beyond unfortunate for all the fall student athletes that have missed out. Perhaps the next time this administration proposes an "upgrade"...they may want to start in June so it will be functional when school starts. I mean Al-Qaida web sites are up & running in no time after they've been hacked & infected with state of the art virus implants from the C.I.A. yet the powers that be in the Long Center appear to be in no apparent hurry to enter the 21st. century.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 19, 2008, 09:06:45 pm
The young Cardinals are off to a 3-0 start with a 80-68 win over Washington and Lee tonight.  Details to come.

Catholic takes on Stevenson Saturday night at home.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 19, 2008, 09:16:34 pm
   Good news and bad news about the Royals 81-64 loss to Cabrini tonite.
  The good : the video and play-by-play was excellent.
  The bad : 12 Royal turnovers(8 steals) in first half in turning a 16 -7 lead into a 40-34 halftime deficit against an ordinary opponent. PG remains a weakness and no defensive stopper; they are mobile enough to block shots and did limit Cabrini to one shot for the 1st 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 09:36:23 pm
In a game that was seemingly reminiscent of last years NCAA game I thumping by Elms...Scranton gets crushed at Cabrini. Looks like another typical Scranton season we've become accustomed to over the last 6 or 7 years...beat up on the weak, play about .500 against similar teams in terms of talent & get totally lost rather quickly against teams that are physical & quick. No inside defense whatsoever & Cabrini scores at will. As many have said...let Scranton get set & shoot & they can be lights out... play them physically & have a little speed to go with some banging & they are in for a long night. Looks like another season that will end early when you arn't even somewhat competitive against a team such as the Cavaliers. Not a knock on them at all as they've already picked up wins against the supposed top 2 teams from the Landmark...just that they were not the # 5 team in the country the last time I checked.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 19, 2008, 10:15:38 pm
Really suprised by the score.   Always looking for Cavaliers to win (as they use to regularly back in my day).  Is Cabrini that much better this year or is it a down year for the supposed top two teams in the Landmark?  I am hoping for the former as a Cavs fan.   I know....it's still early. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 19, 2008, 10:42:10 pm

mailsy: Congrats to your kids & coaching staff. I've seen Cabrini the last few games vs. Scranton & although they had apparent talent...they usually seemed to just go through the motions & not really even play that hard. This is obviously a new year, a new coach & certainly a new attitude on the court. Totally outhustled the Royals & with the obvious advantage in raw talent, it was goodnight Royals after a timeout and some nice adjustments. Seems your new coach has them all playing on the same page. & that should bode well for them as the season progresses. Best of luck the rest of the year.







Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 19, 2008, 10:57:49 pm

mailsy: Congrats to your kids & coaching staff. I've seen Cabrini the last few games vs. Scranton & although they had apparent talent...they usually seemed to just go through the motions & not really even play that hard. This is obviously a new year, a new coach & certainly a new attitude on the court. Totally outhustled the Royals & with the obvious advantage in raw talent, it was goodnight Royals after a timeout and some nice adjustments. Seems your new coach has them all playing on the same page. & that should bode well for them as the season progresses. Best of luck the rest of the year.

Thanks Saratoga.  Hopefully we'll have a lot of smiling faces after each game.  :)  It's a whole new regime from top to bottom at the college.  A lot of bad memories over the last few years.  Hopefully, this is the start of a new successful era of Cabrini basketball.   8)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 20, 2008, 07:43:34 am
In a game that was seemingly reminiscent of last years NCAA game I thumping by Elms...Scranton gets crushed at Cabrini. Looks like another typical Scranton season we've become accustomed to over the last 6 or 7 years...beat up on the weak, play about .500 against similar teams in terms of talent & get totally lost rather quickly against teams that are physical & quick. No inside defense whatsoever & Cabrini scores at will. As many have said...let Scranton get set & shoot & they can be lights out... play them physically & have a little speed to go with some banging & they are in for a long night. Looks like another season that will end early when you arn't even somewhat competitive against a team such as the Cavaliers. Not a knock on them at all as they've already picked up wins against the supposed top 2 teams from the Landmark...just that they were not the # 5 team in the country the last time I checked.


Geez can we not write off the season just yet? I agree a that the turnovers and shooting were horrendous, but you are going to have these types of games during the course of the season. Also saw that Paul Hawk was T'd up and tossed with about 5 minutes remaining. Team has to forget about last night and regroup because a tough Ramapo team is coming to the Long Center on Saturday.

Where is Bogovich? I heard he has some talent...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 21, 2008, 01:56:22 pm
Toga,


By the way ...do you want to take bets as to when the new Scranton website will be launched? I will say sometime in January 2009....if we are lucky.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 21, 2008, 03:55:04 pm
NEPAFAN: Let's see...the Scranton Athletic Dept. has been touting this "new"  & "improved" web site since mid-Sept. & we've yet to see anything except a collection of uninspiring action photos & a plea for patience. Although one would think that the braintrust in their AD would have had the foresight to anticipate potential delays & start this process in a timely fashion so it would be up & running with the start of the FALL semester...but, I'm sure the AD has a perfectly good reason to be 3 months & counting behind. Therefore, your estimate of "sometime in Jan. 09'" is probably right on the money. My guess is we will see a plea from the AD & his dept. to leave spare change at the hot dog stand so he can come up with the funds necessary to complete payment to the 4 computer software grad. students so they'll finish their senior thesis project ie. The New Scranton Web Site. As for the game itself...I'm thinking a repeat of the Cabrini debacle as Ramapo is very similar...quick, quicker & board crashers. They are averaging 50 rebounds per game...many offensive putbacks have led to numerous second chance points. The holes in Scranton's game were fully exploited by Cabrini...let's see what adjustments have been made to offset Ramapo's strengths.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 21, 2008, 04:52:02 pm
To be fair, I've worked on a few site redesigns now, and it ALWAYS takes longer than anticipated. There is a ton of work to do on the back end, and it's hard to get done in addition to multiple other duties. If you can have someone(s) dedicated only to a redesign, more power to ya.

The best thing to do is not to announce a launch date til you're almost ready to launch!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 21, 2008, 09:49:56 pm
Day 1 of the Pepsi/Weis Markets Tip-Off Tournament at Susquehanna:

King's 64, SUNY Morrisville 47
Susquehanna 70, Penn College 61
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 06:10:34 pm
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 22, 2008, 07:17:30 pm
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.

Spenser Spencer? Is that a real name? If so best in the conference....


Scranton 73
Ramapo 49


Paul Hawk with 7 blocks. Nice turnaround from the disaster at Cabrini.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 22, 2008, 09:50:10 pm
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.

Spenser Spencer? Is that a real name? If so best in the conference....


It is real. Not sure where the "Casanova" nick came from though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 22, 2008, 11:12:16 pm
Nice job regrouping today by the Royals. The first half was close because Ramapo simply scored pretty easily inside & got far too many second & third attempts. Nice adjustment by the Royals starting the second half packing it down deep & forcing them to hit from the outside...which they never did. At that point Scranton was able to compete underneath & Paul Hawk...as NEPAFAN stated, established himself in the paint & took it right to them with block after block. Ramapo has some athletes & they do well from within 6 feet of the basket...push them outside of that comfort zone...which the Royals did in the 2nd. half, & their weakness was most certainly exposed. Good win...arn't they all though?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 23, 2008, 01:24:13 am
Catholic improved to 82-62 with a win over Stevenson (Villa Julie to the rest of us) at home.  This game was really never close, as the Cardinals pulled away early and coasted.

Former head coach Mike Lonergan--fresh off a tough OT loss to Maryland--was in the house, along with his family.

Its early, but I was impressed by the intensity of Catholic.  The personality of this team is MUCH different than last years.  Last year's team probably had more talent, but you know what?  This looks like a better team and a more cohesive and complimentary roster.  Sometimes you get an addition by subtraction type of situation. 

Catholic is lacking size, and that's the one thing that Stevenson wasn't lacking, but rebounding was even.  Breakout game for Matt Fazzini (22) points, and another 20+ game for Jason Banzhof--is anybody paying attention to what this kid is doing every time out?  Its unreal.  He's averaging 21.3 and shooting 65 percent.

Guard play is much improved, particularly RJ Dixon.

Obviously lots of freshman in the mix.  Some tough kids in that group.

Should be interesting.  Catholic has Haverford on the road before a tournament at Carneige Mellon and then an intriguing league game at Goucher.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 24, 2008, 12:42:17 am
Matt,
  While at Dickinson for the Lady Royals game in their tournament Saturday, I saw the rosters for the men's side which included Salisbury and Chris McGrew along with assistant coach Mike Wasilenko.
   Hope u meet Carnegie Mellon in their tournament so we can get a line on the Landmark vs. UAA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on November 24, 2008, 12:36:18 pm
I knew McGrew was down there, but I didn't know Was was on the coaching staff.  Good for him, he was a good guy and I'm glad he got a shot someplace.

It will be interesting to see how McGrew develops. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Phillystreetster on November 24, 2008, 01:01:26 pm
What day of the week do the d3hoops rankings come out?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: mailsy on November 24, 2008, 02:57:01 pm
What day of the week do the d3hoops rankings come out?

The top 25 rankings usually come out on Tuedays.  (You can look up top 25 rankings on the front page.  If you look a little you could find the explanation.)  But Pat Coleman said in another thread there will be no rankings this week. Hope that helps.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 24, 2008, 03:47:08 pm
Susquehanna falls to King's, 88-80 in OT of the championship game of the tournament. Joel Patch and Spenser "Casanova" Spencer named to all-tourney team.

Spenser Spencer? Is that a real name? If so best in the conference....


It is real. Not sure where the "Casanova" nick came from though.

To answer my own question... I just found out today that his middle name is Casanova. It's not just a nickname. His parents have quite the sense of humor.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 25, 2008, 09:57:17 pm
Scranton loses to Misercordia, they are see-sawing sandwiching two loses in between a great win vs. Ramapo.


Happy Thanksgiving to All , Enjoy the food and football!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on November 26, 2008, 01:27:03 am
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed. I had the opportunity to take in the Salisbury at Goucher game tonight which going into I thought the Gophers would win going away, however that did not prove to be the case. Couple of random thoughts

-The Gophers are pretty athletic, but very undisciplined and lack any true post players (if you thought they were small last year wait till u see them this year)
-I thought certain players got lost on the bench. Dada and Cotton are two of their best players and although they didn't have their best game and were in foul trouble, should have been on the floor
-Bailey who started for them last year, and was a solid player from what I saw barely played tonight which left me somewhat miffed
-They play a lot of freshman. Two fresh start and two others were in the rotation. Along with them Desouza and Cotton both sophomores play so overall a lot of youth
- Negron had a good game shame he was in foul trouble early
-Freshman Perry shoots to much. I never saw a shot I didn't like, but this guy made me even feel good about some of the shots I used to take. Says he only took 13 shots and had 4 tos but those numbers have to be generous

D-Mac would be interested to hear your thoughts on the game. I think you were the announcer for the game and if you were kudos to you, you were on top of everything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 26, 2008, 10:37:41 pm
Kudos to the Royals faithful for a very good win over Ramapo. However, in other recent developments........

The new boys to the MAC Freedom (who are VERY happy to be in the league, I should add) send the Royals (whose administration, as we all know, thought they were a cut above the MAC) back to the Landmark with an "L" that is sure to raise some eyebrows in the administration buildings on Jefferson Avenue :o Now, I know from seeing the Cougars several times in recent years that they have a solid, well-coached group, and could probably pound on some of the bottom-tier Landmark teams a bit. 

But for those of you who just go on name recognition (and probably still think of the school as "College Misericordia") I should ask...how bad do you rank this one?

Say, perhaps, with the Marywood loss from five or six seasons ago ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on November 27, 2008, 12:38:41 am
G-manWU,
   No, it doesn't compare-Miseri has a pretty decent team now. The loss that did compare was the 1st loss to Miseri-the same year that they lost to Marywood.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on November 27, 2008, 12:39:16 am
G-manWU: How I feel about the Miseri debacle is noted in my post of approx. 3:30 Wed's. under the thread Landmark. Didn't mean to start a new one...my intention was to simply add to the existing discussion under Landmark Conference. Just messed it up. This loss was not as bad as the Marywood loss...just as unacceptable but, not quite as bad. Basically  because Miseri can play a little...Marywood was plain awful & still beat Scranton in the Long Center. Just another of the many games the Royals played like they had never prepared for. It certainly seems like Scranton's killer instinct left when Bess hung up the Purple Tux. Pretty boring & uneventful basketball since then. I would rate this loss behind Marywood & blowing an 18 point halftime lead at Drew 3 years ago. However, it probably rates a tie with blowing a 16 point halftime lead at Desales 2 years ago that would have given the Royals first place in the conference. When you think about it, there have been some very serious meltdowns with the Royals the past 5-6 years & at some point you start to wonder............nah, its Thanksgiving...they were just dishing out some joy in Dallas. Yep, I'm going with that one for awhile. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 27, 2008, 02:02:06 pm
Saratoga & Ronk,

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you as well :) My post was- as always- good-natured fun, no intention to rubbish anyone or any group of people.

Indeed this season's Misericordia team is a cut above Marywood's squad from back then, and from what I remember Scranton had a depleated roster that had been caught between recruting cycles and also had some key injuries when that loss to Marywood happened. Indeed, when you look at Scranton's results from the last five or so seasons, there are a number of disappointing losses to teams that the Royals probably should have beaten. But also, don't forget that by the time postseason play rolls around, they are always in the mix for the conference title. Anytime a team manages to bring home two titles in four seasons, that is a pretty good job by the coaches and players.

Obviously no one enjoys early-season losses in the non-conference slate. But I would never count out the Royals from coking up a good season this early- there's alot of basketball  let out there, and I am sure the Long Center fans are going to enjoy some good times along the way.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on November 28, 2008, 11:36:04 am
Saratoga,


I share your frustrations with the inconsistencies of this and past Royal teams. My question for you is it A) Coaching, or B) the inability to recruit in an increasingly competitive market. I believe it is B. Years ago ( in the Bess Era) you didn't have to compete with the Miseri and the Marywood for talent. Nevertheless with the University surrounded by cheaper alternatives, I am still frustrated that Scranton has not been able to land top notch talent. Look at Jesuit John Carrol as a similar school and the recruits they are able to bring in.

I am not taking anything away from this team as is. We all know they have talent. But I heard through the grapevine that several transfers balked at the U because of the high tution prices. Coach Danzig certainly has a nitch for recruiting in the Philly burbs,  but we haven't seen him make in roads in Jersey or Long Island. Next year 5 seniors who all get minutes will graduate and after only brining in 2 kids this year, where does that leave Danzig and the Royals? My hope is that they really commit to the recruiting trail this year....with the promise of plenty of minutes....thoughts????
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 28, 2008, 05:43:42 pm
NEPAFAN,

You raise an outstanding point with how competitive the recruting market is for schools in NEPA. However, please allow me to add another viewpoint to your discussion.

As a very recent graduate of another 4-year school in the area, I can very much agree about the high prices (esp. adding room and board for some students) making Scranton and others a tough sell on pure dollars. However, as far as I know, Misericordia and Marywood aren't very far behind Scranton in tuition prices. While I did not consider either of those schools for my undergrad years, I did seriously consider what we sometimes call the local "Big 3", and they were all very close in price. In addition, if you look at the rosters for any local team, you will find a handful of locals, but many out-of-towners who come through the recruting pipelines, such as Danzig's good connection with CB-West and, going back a bit further, Bess and the crew from Holy Ghost Prep.

If you asked me what is the biggest recruting obstacle facing the local D3 basketball schools in recruting, I would say it is not so much each other, but rather players who get big ideas and try to make the roster at a D1 school. Great for them if they get a free ride, but many don't and instead wind up chasing playing time that never really comes, when they could be starting and enoying themselves at a D3 school. In District 2, over the past six years or so, I can name a half-dozen guys at least who have throw away what could have been four good years of education and playing time at Scranton/WU/KC/MU for a taste of a D1 roster. Again, good for them if they get a scholarship, but what a waste if not.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 30, 2008, 11:49:09 pm
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed. I had the opportunity to take in the Salisbury at Goucher game tonight which going into I thought the Gophers would win going away, however that did not prove to be the case. Couple of random thoughts

-The Gophers are pretty athletic, but very undisciplined and lack any true post players (if you thought they were small last year wait till u see them this year)
-I thought certain players got lost on the bench. Dada and Cotton are two of their best players and although they didn't have their best game and were in foul trouble, should have been on the floor
-Bailey who started for them last year, and was a solid player from what I saw barely played tonight which left me somewhat miffed
-They play a lot of freshman. Two fresh start and two others were in the rotation. Along with them Desouza and Cotton both sophomores play so overall a lot of youth
- Negron had a good game shame he was in foul trouble early
-Freshman Perry shoots to much. I never saw a shot I didn't like, but this guy made me even feel good about some of the shots I used to take. Says he only took 13 shots and had 4 tos but those numbers have to be generous

D-Mac would be interested to hear your thoughts on the game. I think you were the announcer for the game and if you were kudos to you, you were on top of everything.
Well - let me first say I am sorry it took so long to resond. It has been a very busy week and I just never got to this page - sorry!

First off, a lot of your points are good. Foul trouble hurt Goucher on Tuesday night and their inconsistent play and undisaplined ways killed them the rest of the tournament. The team is simply not playing together. However, they do have some good talent that if they can get on the same page (why, after years they haven't figured that out, I am not sure), they will be very good. But they are very much at a size disadvantage.

They certainly have had some of their better players get lost on the bench, especially on Tuesday. Bailey hasn't seemed very sure of himself this season. I think it's because of where he is coming off the bench. He certainly is a good player who seems to have his confidence shaken. He played a much better game on Sunday against Stevenson.

They are a young team which will help them in a few years, but that freshmen and sophomore playing time is hurting that team chemistry right now. Negron is about the only one who is an upper classman getting a lot of playing time - so there are some youth things to work out.

As for Micah Perry, first off let me say my thoughts are with him and his family. He was at neither game this weekend due to the death of a family member. However, your thoughts about his play on Tuesday are nice. He was horrible. He didn't see an opportunity he didn't like, but that lead into dribbling into double-teams because his head was down. He then on nearly three straight possessions, he was responsible for a turnover. In the second half, he should have been benched (IMHO), but he wasn't subbed for. I think if he had been taken out of the game, Goucher would have had a better chance.

We have certainly mentioned the problems for Goucher. Think about this: Saturday's game against Frostburg in which they lost by 8, they shot about .610 from the free throw line and .268 from the floor (15-51). They shot much better against Stevenson on Sunday, but bad decisions in the second half once again cost them the game.

BTW, I am indeed the PA at Goucher; it is a job I love and have been doing for 14 seasons now. Thanks for the props, I appreciate it. Just want to make sure you fans know what is going on!!! Next time you, or anyone else, are at the SRC, make yourself known. I love meeting other D3 fans, including D3hoops.com fans!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2008, 12:50:34 pm
Catholic had a pretty successful tournament over the weekend at Carniege Mellon in Pittsburgh.   They beat York (NY) 65-55 in the first game and then lost a close game to CMU 61-56.

I didn't make the trip but personally, I was encouraged that they hung with CMU for the entire game.  I don't think a close loss to a quality team at this stage in the season for a really young team is such a bad thing.  The Cardinals continued to get excellent play from Jason Banzhof (35 points in the two games) and RJ Dixon looks like he's still making strides.

Catholic plays Goucher Saturday night at the SRC.  That will be a really fascinating game and a good test for both teams.   On paper, they should be evenly matched.  Both Goucher and Catholic are really young.  I thought that last year, the Cardinals had a bit of a talent advantage, and I think they probably still do (at least judging by Goucher's loss to Stevenson, a team that Catholic handled with ease).  But with a young team on the road, anything can happen--although last year, Goucher actually beat Catholic in DC and lost at home.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 01, 2008, 05:53:13 pm
NEPAFAN,

You raise an outstanding point with how competitive the recruting market is for schools in NEPA. However, please allow me to add another viewpoint to your discussion.

As a very recent graduate of another 4-year school in the area, I can very much agree about the high prices (esp. adding room and board for some students) making Scranton and others a tough sell on pure dollars. However, as far as I know, Misericordia and Marywood aren't very far behind Scranton in tuition prices. While I did not consider either of those schools for my undergrad years, I did seriously consider what we sometimes call the local "Big 3", and they were all very close in price. In addition, if you look at the rosters for any local team, you will find a handful of locals, but many out-of-towners who come through the recruting pipelines, such as Danzig's good connection with CB-West and, going back a bit further, Bess and the crew from Holy Ghost Prep.

If you asked me what is the biggest recruting obstacle facing the local D3 basketball schools in recruting, I would say it is not so much each other, but rather players who get big ideas and try to make the roster at a D1 school. Great for them if they get a free ride, but many don't and instead wind up chasing playing time that never really comes, when they could be starting and enoying themselves at a D3 school. In District 2, over the past six years or so, I can name a half-dozen guys at least who have throw away what could have been four good years of education and playing time at Scranton/WU/KC/MU for a taste of a D1 roster. Again, good for them if they get a scholarship, but what a waste if not.


GU,


I did not realize that WU, Kings, MISERI and MU are all on par with Scranton as far as tution goes. I do agree with your point on the lure of D1, especially when it comes to scholarship money. I think that the PSAC (all the D2 schools) are also competition for the local schools.

My question is how does Scranton (or any school for that matter) overcome this? I think Scranton has been very "tight" with their financial aid office. Scranton (agree or disagree) is probably the most regional and well known local school and should be pulling more people in my humble opinion....and let's not get started on diversity..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: hoopzwiz on December 01, 2008, 07:41:20 pm
You just answered your own question.
Scranton is the most well know school in the local area and as a result can/has been able to recruit from a larger area and get more applications.  As a result, the institution isn't worried about filling beds so getting athletes isn't at the top of their list.  They get good players without lowering the cost or admissions standards so why would they hurt the schools academic profile by making exceptions for athletes.

They do cost more than the other locals which might hurt a little but the reality is that their name alone gives them advantages that other schools don't have. 

They've been to three NCAA tournaments in recent years.......thats pretty good. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 01, 2008, 10:22:47 pm
Catholic is in something of the same situation in the DC area (among D3 schools, of course).  Some of that might be true (if you want to play for a winner with tradition, Catholic is an appealing destination, with the added bonus of being in a world class city). 

But it is impossible to ignore the new realities of the economy and the financial situation that many families face.  The Catholic basketball team has already been the victim of it, and I believe many private universities in general will be struggling to attract students because of their price tags.  Parents are losing their retirement savings, and it makes it much more difficult to cut a big check for their kids college education.

It will be quite challenging for schools like Catholic and Scranton to continue to thrive in this environment.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 02, 2008, 10:39:17 am
It will be quite challenging for schools like Catholic and Scranton to continue to thrive in this environment.


I imagine it would be a challenge for all of the like minded institutions in the Landmark Conference.

 

They've been to three NCAA tournaments in recent years.......thats pretty good. 



Yes, but as you can tell by reading these boards Scranton's 1 and done NCAA tournament appearances are not satisfying their fans...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 02, 2008, 05:09:50 pm
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed.

I'm catching up on the board and just noticed this... but not sure where you got your numbers as Susquehanna didn't even play on the 26th.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: G-manWU on December 02, 2008, 05:53:12 pm
NEPAFAN & hoopzwiz,

In terms of cost, I believe Scranton is a bit above the other locals, but the difference is not as great as many may believe. Obviously this can differ in the case of each student, given things such as room/board, or involvement in certain academic programs that may require extra costs. But I still don't think the cost factor among local schools would be a huge difference.

In terms of the PSAC, I have never thought of any school in the league as a rival in recruting for a school like Scranton or their conference opponents, past or present. However, from my years of working with the Colonels football program, I can tell you that the PSAC teams were our number one competition for local football talent. Obviously we got some great local players in recent years, but a great deal also chose Bloom/ESU/WCU and some others over our program. There isn't much we could do in that case, and that makes those pipelines/inroads in other metro areas all the more important. We always had a good number of players from the Garden State on the roster as well, but there we face competition from the NJAC schools, so there is always another hurdle to jump over...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 02, 2008, 08:36:30 pm
Tough night for the Landmark, 7 of the 8 teams lose with USMM having their game postponed.

I'm catching up on the board and just noticed this... but not sure where you got your numbers as Susquehanna didn't even play on the 26th.

My mistake must've been a little to anxious to post that night. So 6 of 8 still not a good night. Early on here it doesn't look good for many of the Landmark teams aside from Catholic and your Crusaders. Scranton has been kind of dissapointing here early on with their 2 losses but the same thing seems to happen often here as other posters have alluded to. Big game for SU vs. Misericordia tonight who just beat Scranton recently and will be a good measuring stick for SU against a quality opponent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 02, 2008, 08:52:22 pm
Looks like SU lost 67-60. Didn't start Cosgrove or Majors and Zac Smith didnt even score? Is Smith Hurt? Surprised that Majors and Cosgrove weren't starters especially after the break out game for Cosgrove. Looks like TO's killed SU and they got beat pretty good on the glass which looks more like a product of not getting the offensive rebounds they usually do. Baumunk looks like he had his way after SU shut him down in the first game of the season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 02, 2008, 09:44:25 pm
bballfan10,

While Smith didn't play, Majors and Cosgrove were both in the starting line-up.

Misericordia accomplished the unusual feat of avenging two non-league losses in four days.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 02, 2008, 09:52:34 pm
p.s.  Thanks for showing some respect to the Cougars in your pre-game post. 

It's not embarrassing for any visitor to leave the Anderson Center with a loss. 


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 03, 2008, 01:00:05 am
As far as what is going on at Scranton & why they seem to be so inconsistant is really a flip of the coin. Some say the coach just isn't getting it done, some blame the Administration & others just say it's local parity. For what it's worth...I disagree with all three presumptions.
  Personally, I think Coach Danzig works his tail off identifying the talent he wants on his team. I think the real problem begins once that student is recruited and the numbers games begin.
  Regardless how one crunches the numbers, the fact is if you are a full-time resident student at Scranton, your parents are paying at least $43,000 per year. There is not another local school within $6,000 of that pricetag & depending on whether or not you take Intersession...you may be hit for another $2,500. It is at this point Scranton begins to lose the recruiting wars with schools like F&M, Ursinus & the Hamilton's of the world.
  Back in 1998 Scranton conducted a study which tracked the schools students were attending that had seriously considered Scranton as well as which schools those that decided on Scranton had considered. It was at this point that a trend was noticed that Scranton was no longer really in the same market for students matriculating at the more prominate NE Pa. schools with which Scranton had long been associated. A decision was made that the University should begin developing alliances with certain "other" schools that were targeting the same students and at this point the genesis was there for the now famous "like-minded" reference.
  To further elaborate that point, the following is a sample of the high schools incoming freshman & sophmore Scranton students attended. The Gunnery, Germantown Friends, The Hun School of Princeton, Fordham Prep, Wyoming Seminary, Avon Old Farms, The Shipley School, MMI Prep, The Haverford School, The Berkshire School, Episcopal Acadamy , Regis, Poly Prep & Burr & Burton Seminary to name but a few. What these schools have in common is they all cost around $30,000 per year & these kids can generally go wherever they want. My feeling is they end up going to Scranton for any number of reasons but, one very big one is that Scranton comes up with some pretty good financial aid packages for students whose parents are not really getting anything from their state or Federal grants.
  And this is precisly where Scranton loses its players. Because they do not have an endowment to match F&M or Ursinus...even though a great student that happens to play B-ball may get 10,000 off that 43,000 pricetag, Ursinus or Hamilton may have a 24,000 grant in aid waiting in the form of the George & Mary Jones endowment fund so where do you think mom & dad will be pushing junior? Scranton might be able to attract 40 qualified students from all backgrounds while many other privates with a much larger endowment base can cast a far larger net & in that net will be some pretty good ball players as well as students.
  Someone had mentioned earlier that Scranton is doing fine with enrollment etc. and they are...problem for Coach Danzig is they could really care less that the student from Episcopal Acadamy is not interested in basketball...the Administration just wants them interested in the school. And when the UofS is coming up with 9,000 in aid & Hamilton is offering 23,000...unless the circumstances are really tilted & the stars alligned...junior is headed north. Economics right now are & will continue to play a very large role in determining who goes where...especially when the school has made a decision to go in that direction for reasons other than athletics.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 03, 2008, 02:33:28 am
bballfan10,

While Smith didn't play, Majors and Cosgrove were both in the starting line-up.

Misericordia accomplished the unusual feat of avenging two non-league losses in four days.

Man I'm really struggling with my facts then recently. I was looking at the highlighted players on the LIVE STATS that SU offers on their website. Now that I am thinking back to it perhaps it was the players who were in the game that were highlighted which would prob make more sense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 03, 2008, 02:44:51 am
p.s.  Thanks for showing some respect to the Cougars in your pre-game post. 

It's not embarrassing for any visitor to leave the Anderson Center with a loss. 




NP. While I can't pretend to know much about the individuals in the conference they are in I know Misericordia was a premier team in the league last year and with the returning talent of Baumunk, Little, and Del Prete among others I would look for them to be in the hunt for a conference title and ncaa bid.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 03, 2008, 09:52:10 am
Man I'm really struggling with my facts then recently.

Maybe you're having trouble concentrating because you're up half the night posting on this site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 03, 2008, 11:31:25 am
Man I'm really struggling with my facts then recently.

Maybe you're having trouble concentrating because you're up half the night posting on this site.

*snickers*

If I could, I'd give you +k for that one.  :)

PS - thanks for posting the update, I was at the campus Candlelight Service last night.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 03, 2008, 12:12:05 pm
As far as what is going on at Scranton & why they seem to be so inconsistant is really a flip of the coin. Some say the coach just isn't getting it done, some blame the Administration & others just say it's local parity. For what it's worth...I disagree with all three presumptions.
  Personally, I think Coach Danzig works his tail off identifying the talent he wants on his team. I think the real problem begins once that student is recruited and the numbers games begin.
 

Interesting insight. I always thought you were not a fan of Coach Danzig, but it sounds like we agree the problem lies with the School/Administration/Powers That Be (whether it is the delay in the new website or getting athletes to the school). I have a feeling that Coach Danzig is waging a constant battle trying to get prospects A) into the school, and  B) financial assistance. Hopefully, it isn't a futile fight for him.


On your point to endowments and how they are spent...I don't necessarily agree that there is such a disparity between Scranton's endowment and other D3 schools....


BTW.....Scranton wins a ho hum type game last night 70-63 over Messiah.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 03, 2008, 12:49:04 pm
NEPAFAN: I think Coach Danzig does his best with what he gets. The million dollar question is: is he getting the right kids & they are doing as well as can be expected or has his recruiting been less than one would expect given his contacts from his Bucknell days. To be honest, I'm not really sure. I have heard he works very hard yet the one & done NCAA visits are getting old. I've also seen him lose more kids from one year to the next at a rate never seen by Bess' teams. Is that the product of the instant gratification nature of todays D-III athlete or his refusal to use his bench? Another question overheard last evening was why no true point or ready to play big had not been brought in over the last two years so they could be ready to fill in for Randy & Tom this season. Lack of effort on his part or lack of a good financial aid package? My vote is on the latter...and for the sake of better days ahead, I hope I'm right.
  As for Scranton's ability to run dollar for dollar with many of the schools competing for the same kids...don't bet on it. Comparing the overall disposable endowments of schools like F&M, Gettysburg & Ursinus & the % of aid they can provide to the general pool of applicants has historically had a far greater reach than what Scranton can put on the table. Don't get me wrong, Scranton is sitting very well financially as witnessed by constant construction on campus...but remember, we are dealing with Jesuits & they like very much to receive & hold. What they offer, at least up to this point in time has been selective at best.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 02:59:23 pm
Lack of effort on his part or lack of a good financial aid package? My vote is on the latter...and for the sake of better days ahead, I hope I'm right.


I don't see how one is more favorable than the other.....



Scranton at PSU Hazleton tonight...are they the new regional rival replacing Wilkes?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 04, 2008, 03:16:03 pm
... but remember, we are dealing with Jesuits & they like very much to receive & hold. What they offer, at least up to this point in time has been selective at best.

Just out of curiosity, does your generalization that "... [Jesuits] ... like very much to receive & hold" also apply at other Jebbie venues, e.g., Gonzaga, Holy Cross, St. Joe's in Philly, and Fordham? (Or do you refer to D3 Jesuit institutions only?)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 03:57:23 pm
Warren: Since the other schools you've mentioned are D-I and offer FULL rides...I think we can safely eliminate them as suspects.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 04:08:04 pm
NEPAFAN: One is really not better than the other...I guess what I really mean is that if you had to pick your poison...I'd at least rather know my coach was working his tail off trying to get the kids. With the financial aid stuff...sometimes you may get the student from one of the schools I've mentioned & getting a serious aid package isn't that big a deal. On the other hand...a lazy coach that does not recruit can wreck havoc on a program for years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 04:19:09 pm
I believe John Carroll is the only other D-3 Jesuit Institution.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2008, 08:13:49 pm
Warren: Since the other schools you've mentioned are D-I and offer FULL rides...I think we can safely eliminate them as suspects.
Though - you may be able to argue they aren't offering full rides to all of their players. I don't know how many scholarships those teams are permitted to carry, but remember, those numbers can be split up. The money for one scholarship may not actually go to just one person. However, there is a lot of information there I don't know!

Interesting thing to think about: all schools are suffering in some way in this economy. Private schools have lost some of their endowments and that is affecting many of the financial aid packages/scholarships they can offer to students. That is forcing some private school students to transfer to public schools. I can't prove anything, since I am not privy to the information, but were a lot of transfers from private Catholic to public schools like Salisbury. I know basketball wasn't the reason - that it was something else. I wonder how much affordability or the lack of aid was a factor.

Now, things are simple for the public schools. Many states are suffering from budget deficits/shortfalls thanks to states suffering in the economy. What does that mean? Funding is being cut from public schools. Not sure how much that is affecting financial aspects similar to private schools, but there is a factor.

Now... that all being said, I think the public schools are in better shape since they tend to be cheaper to begin with!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 09:54:05 pm
Scranton's game at PSU Hazleton has been canceled due to "unplayable court conditions". I'm sure we'll get all the details on Scranton's new & improved web site...in Jan. 09'. What a great tune-up this turned out to be for the start of conference play on Sat. Maybe ceiling tiles were falling from the rafters at the HazelDome. With 2 bad losses already Regionally, Scranton can ill afford losing a game off their schedule.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 10:04:09 pm
Yes, hopefully one of the Royal insiders can provide some insight into what "unplayable court conditions" means. Maybe Scranton encountered a hostile PSU Hazelton student section and Danzig pulled them off the court....
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 10:11:11 pm
NEPAFAN: Ahh..."a hostile" student section. Remember the good old days when Scranton had one? These days, the Lady Royals have a bigger crowd in the 1st. game of Long Center double-headers.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 04, 2008, 10:13:49 pm
We might have lost a student section but we gained Dean Corwin. ;D

Also put in an email in an attempt to get a firm date on the new website, I'll let you know if I hear anything.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2008, 10:19:05 pm
Saratoga,
  Would you know Scranton's Bball grant-in aid resources? $100k? Do they spread it around evenly or favor priority recruits? Assuming that most of their recruits qualify for at least $25k of aid.
  I did hear Coach Strong say that only 2 recruits showed up this year for the ladies despite graduating 5.
  I don't know or I do know but don't want to reveal Scranton's recruiting strategies are understandable responses.
  Any other school want to shed some light on their procedures? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 04, 2008, 10:56:16 pm
Ronk: In D-III, the NCAA bylaws are very clear...NO coach is to have any contact with those that make decisions regarding financial aid. ALL students are to be given EQUAL consideration based on that families specific need. In other words, Coach Danzig can not talk to the Director of Fin. Aid & tell he or she that "we really need you guys to come up big time for us with the Jones kid because he's a legit small D-I player & college X is going to give him a heck of a package". Can't be done...not that some schools don't...but, all the coach can do is point them in the direction of that office & hope for the best.
  I know a specific case from 2 years ago where Coach Strong had a young lady all set to come to Scranton & she certainly would have started for him only to end up getting one final "adjustment" in her Fin. Aid package from another school & that's all it took for her parents to say "thanks anyway Mike". Happens all the time. That's why I'm saying...those schools that have the largest endowments can cast the largest nets regardless of a players family income. By the way, the young lady I'm referring to is from your area & she had one great freshman year last season.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2008, 11:12:22 pm

  I know a specific case from 2 years ago where Coach Strong had a young lady all set to come to Scranton & she certainly would have started for him only to end up getting one final "adjustment" in her Fin. Aid package from another school & that's all it took for her parents to say "thanks anyway Mike". Happens all the time. That's why I'm saying...those schools that have the largest endowments can cast the largest nets regardless of a players family income. By the way, the young lady I'm referring to is from your area & she had one great freshman year last season.
 
   I think I know whom you mean, if she was from NY state. Coach Strong mentioned recruiting her. I think they could have reached at least the sweet 16 last year if she had joined us.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 04, 2008, 11:26:35 pm
Ronk: In D-III, the NCAA bylaws are very clear...NO coach is to have any contact with those that make decisions regarding financial aid. ALL students are to be given EQUAL consideration based on that families specific need. In other words, Coach Danzig can not talk to the Director of Fin. Aid & tell he or she that "we really need you guys to come up big time for us with the Jones kid because he's a legit small D-I player & college X is going to give him a heck of a package". Can't be done...not that some schools don't...but, all the coach can do is point them in the direction of that office & hope for the best.
 
  I guess we need somebody from the financial office to say what disgression they have in making their offers or do they work backwards from offering only to those applicants who need the whole $43k, $42K,...with no other considerations?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 05, 2008, 11:53:00 am
Just as an aside to the Jesuit finances and athletics discussion, I have read online about Fordham fan's consternation and disappointment with their basketball program and specifically former Scranton president Father Mcshane's ambivalent attitude towards athletics in general.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: kate on December 05, 2008, 03:53:06 pm
Hazelton's  gym floor was too slippery.  The game between the Hazelton women & Lyco was also postponed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 06, 2008, 09:40:02 pm
Susquehanna opens up conference play with a 64-41 win over Juniata. Joel Patch posted another double-double (14 points and 14 rebounds).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2008, 11:20:42 pm
Catholic and GOucher playered a thrilled tonight at the SRC. CUA wins 78-74 in OT. Goucher once again had their chances but couldn't do anything about it. CUA is a much faster team than in years past. It certainly helps to lose McGrew and other sizeable guys inside - it will force you to pick the pace up.

Tonight's game also proves you can't compare results and expect outcomes. CUA may have crushed Stevenson who beat Goucher... but that certainly didn't mean CUA would get an easy victory of the Gophers. Matchups and other factors play a major part.

And Moravian beat Scranton tonight. Could the reality of how much Scranton lost from last season be finally showing up?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 06, 2008, 11:45:33 pm
You wouldn't even believe what I went through tonight to try to go to the CUA-Goucher game...and after all of it, we never made it.

Long story short, we dropped my kid off at my parents in Winchester, with the plan of a nice leisurely drive through Charles Town, WV, over to Frederick, MD and on I-70 into Baltimore.

Oh. My. God.  Just the other side of WV, it started to snow.  And then the roads turned to absolute ice.  I'm from MA but I've never seen anything like this.  Within 20 minutes it was the most dangerous thing I've ever seen.  I must have seen 40-50 separate accidents out there.  I-70 the other side of Frederick became impassible.  I'm used to driving in that weather and even I lost control of my Odyssey two separate times on little highway overpasses.  I saved it, a lot of people didn't.  We got to a point where I-70 both ways were completely closed--accidents and impassible conditions.

Finally, we got to an emergency vehicle turnaround point and pulled a U-turn to get back into Frederick.  The 70/270 interchange was unlike anything i've ever seen.   14 car accident, all over the road.  It was an obstacle course.  We got off in Frederick and ate dinner and the guy on the ramp in front of me literally went down it totally sideways (lucky he didn't hit anything).

At this point I was just happy to make it one piece.  We finally made it back home.  Sorry I missed what must have been a great game.  I see that Banzhof had 27...what a beast.  Not surprised it was close--lots of familiarity and matchups, etc as D-Mac said.

Oh well.  Sorry I missed you D-Mac.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2008, 10:34:03 am
And Moravian beat Scranton tonight. Could the reality of how much Scranton lost from last season be finally showing up?

Didn't Moravian lose 4-5 players too? No insight into the game, but on paper I thought the Royals would cover by 3-5 points. The lost to Moravian last year to start conference play and we all know what happened then so we'll see..

The turnovers and rebounding (lack thereof) is concerning...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2008, 11:27:22 am
Yet another blown chance by Scranton to pick up a win on the road against a very, very beatable opponent. Yes, Moravian did lose about 5 kids from last year & about 90% of their scoring & rebounding...yet, with a soph. returning point guard & one other returning player, they turned it on mid-way through the 2nd. half & never looked back.
  I am very concerned as well the zero inside presence, continued lack of respectable defense, horrible team rebounding and on-going dumb fouls by this team. Couple all of that with no point & this is the current formula for disaster the Royals are sleepwalking into.
  I saw the Messiah game & the Royals were outhustled from start to finish by a group of kids not anywhere near in talent yet far superior in heart & sheer determination. At the moment, it clearly seems as though this team is without direction & playing without a passion, pride & purpose that, at this point in the season with such a veteran squad is really unacceptable. I am truly worried about the future of not only this season but, the future of what we all once knew as Royals basketball. If this team...with all the minutes these kids have played over the previous 2 & 3 years is struggling, then once they leave this year...how much will next years team be devoid of scoring opportunites, rebounding and all the other intangibles?
  Too early to push the panic button? Perhaps...but, certainly not too early for everyone...from the Head Coach right down to the last player on the bench to have a reality check to not only see they are all on the same page, but, that they all even have the same book. Getting continually outhustled is one very worrisome sign.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 07, 2008, 12:33:38 pm
You wouldn't even believe what I went through tonight to try to go to the CUA-Goucher game...and after all of it, we never made it.

Long story short, we dropped my kid off at my parents in Winchester, with the plan of a nice leisurely drive through Charles Town, WV, over to Frederick, MD and on I-70 into Baltimore.

Oh. My. God.  Just the other side of WV, it started to snow.  And then the roads turned to absolute ice.  I'm from MA but I've never seen anything like this.  Within 20 minutes it was the most dangerous thing I've ever seen.  I must have seen 40-50 separate accidents out there.  I-70 the other side of Frederick became impassible.  I'm used to driving in that weather and even I lost control of my Odyssey two separate times on little highway overpasses.  I saved it, a lot of people didn't.  We got to a point where I-70 both ways were completely closed--accidents and impassible conditions.

Finally, we got to an emergency vehicle turnaround point and pulled a U-turn to get back into Frederick.  The 70/270 interchange was unlike anything i've ever seen.   14 car accident, all over the road.  It was an obstacle course.  We got off in Frederick and ate dinner and the guy on the ramp in front of me literally went down it totally sideways (lucky he didn't hit anything).

At this point I was just happy to make it one piece.  We finally made it back home.  Sorry I missed what must have been a great game.  I see that Banzhof had 27...what a beast.  Not surprised it was close--lots of familiarity and matchups, etc as D-Mac said.

Oh well.  Sorry I missed you D-Mac.


That is scary! Glad to hear you are alright!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 07, 2008, 01:06:44 pm
Matt: as NEPAFAN stated...glad you made it back without serious problems...except for the fact you probably had to have your hands surgically removed from the wheel.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2008, 04:10:44 pm
Matt - being from New England myself, Saturday's storm wasn't bad in the Baltimore area... a little dicey, but not like what you experienced. However,  a few weeks ago I got stranded in York, PA trying to get back to Baltimore. Similar situation to you. I am very experienced in dealing with bad weather, but even I decided to get off the road and find a hotel - just 30 or so miles from my home. I-83 was shutdown in both directions and there was nothing but ice everywhere and on every surface. Sounds like PennDOT and MDOT both have been caught sleeping on early season storms this year!

Glad you are safe. You did miss a very exciting game, but I suspect you will get another chance at the SRC South! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 09, 2008, 09:18:25 am
In an attempt to inject some optimism into the board, I have been very impressed with the early play of Luke Hawk who sat out all of last year with an injury.



and BTW...Dmac...your picture isn't showing up ...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 09, 2008, 10:43:00 am
Matt - being from New England myself, Saturday's storm wasn't bad in the Baltimore area... a little dicey, but not like what you experienced. However,  a few weeks ago I got stranded in York, PA trying to get back to Baltimore. Similar situation to you. I am very experienced in dealing with bad weather, but even I decided to get off the road and find a hotel - just 30 or so miles from my home. I-83 was shutdown in both directions and there was nothing but ice everywhere and on every surface. Sounds like PennDOT and MDOT both have been caught sleeping on early season storms this year!

Glad you are safe. You did miss a very exciting game, but I suspect you will get another chance at the SRC South! :)

Yeah, the Maryland Highway Administration was really asleep at the switch.  Both DDOT and VDOT were mobilized early for this and the DC and VA roads were fine.  Now, I think conditions did get worse in the higher terrains of Frederick County Maryland, but that's all the more reason why there should have been trucks out there. 

We did contemplate staying overnight in Frederick, but fortunately by the time we stopped at ate dinner, 270 South was fine and we were able to get down to the Beltway and back into NoVa with no problems.

Goucher always does play Catholic tough...sometimes its hard to explain on paper.  One of the reasons why it was nice for CUA to get the win.  It might not look that impressive to beat an 0-5 team in OT, but for a young team on the road, it was actually a very good win. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 12, 2008, 12:33:05 pm
Can Scranton knock off Albright (7-1) tomorrow afternoon at the Long Center?



Apparently they can. Great not good win for the Royals with solid play from the regulars and a lift from Eli Londo.


Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 14, 2008, 08:48:48 pm
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 15, 2008, 11:19:35 am
Susquehanna beat "old" rival Lycoming, 63-55, yesterday. I was out of town, so you can read the recap here: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/teams/MBasketball/default.htm  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 16, 2008, 10:10:32 pm
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)


Maybe it was cancelled?


Scranton 83-66 over Etown tonight.  Eli Londo comes off the bench with 11 points and 7 rebounds, two back to back solid efforts from him.


Scranton 6-3 at the holiday break.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on December 17, 2008, 01:35:15 am
   In a statistical anomaly, the Royals' balanced offense saw each of the starters with 8 field goal attempts and, with a little license, their 6th man(Londo/O'Connell) had 8 shots, also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 17, 2008, 12:33:20 pm
Joel Patch had his third straight double-double and fifth of the season, but Susquehanna fell to visiting Bridgewater (Va.) last night, 85-75. Three other players were in double figures for SU.

That closes out the '08 part of the season; the Crusaders return to action Jan. 2 at F&M's tournament.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 18, 2008, 09:12:03 am
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)

Now that comeback made me come back. ;D

Lefty, do you know who won the Colts/Steelers game a few weeks back? I can't find that score anywhere.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on December 18, 2008, 09:37:45 am
Anyone seen Cold Case lately?
I don't watch that show. ;)

Now that comeback made me come back. ;D

Lefty, do you know who won the Colts/Steelers game a few weeks back? I can't find that score anywhere.

CC,
I'd like to say It's good to hear from you, but........

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 18, 2008, 09:55:49 am
CC,
I'd like to say It's good to hear from you, but........

Merry Christmas!

Yes, back at you and to everyone, including NEPAFAN. He's a little scary, you know?;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 18, 2008, 10:06:23 am
Oh, and by the way. I noticed Catholic is doing its best to hold up its end as one of the two "future of the league" teams, but the other school is 1-6. Not good, no sir, not good at all.

Hey 'toga, I see you're still miserable, as a close pal of mine put it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 18, 2008, 10:24:15 am
You do know that this is a basketball board , right?



Saratoga, how about some love for the Royals after two straight victories?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 18, 2008, 11:42:22 am
NEPAFAN: They did look pretty good in those wins. Passed the ball very well, created very good looks & the perimeter D is showing signs of life. The main issue continues to be at the point & E-town's press made that pretty obvious.
  The Royals are now 4-0 against the MAC Commonwealth...with wins against Lyco, Messiah, Albright & E-town. Enjoy the break & Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 19, 2008, 09:46:48 am
Saratoga,


Agree about the turnovers and rebounding as well. Some alarming stats. On the other hand, Fitzpatrick is top 5 in the nation in 3 point percentage, and Paul Hawk in the top 5 for blocks per game.


Cold Case who is the future of the Landmark?


Merry Christmas to All!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 19, 2008, 10:13:33 am
Cold Case who is the future of the Landmark?

Goucher. That's program with so much aura and mystique. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 19, 2008, 12:48:42 pm
While the Goucher program in its current state and under current management will never be a consistent top tier team in the Landmark, I think if the changes were made they could be a top D3 team in not just the Landmark but the country (ballsy prediction but its just a fantasy and will never happen anyway). There is to much talent in the Baltimore area with the BCL, the city, and the surrounding counties that goes unrecruited by Goucher as well as other Bmore Area schools. In addition WCAC, PG County, etc. is a short drive down 95. The school has a lot to sell in my opinion (aside from the ticket price which defn hurts it in some cases I'm sure). If the changes were made Goucher could be a consistent winner in the Landmark.

Eli Londo is having a nice start to the season. I took some flack for that prediction that he would be a good solid impact player for them and looks like he's proving some people wrong early on. While they don't have the 1 dominant rebounder this year it looks like they have everyone chipping in. They are 2nd in rebound margin this year in the conference, however just barely above even against its opponents so not quite what they were last year. The 7 block shots a game as a team is really good making up for the lack of perimeter defense some of you were talking about I'm sure.

Banzhaf's been real good out of the gate to start the season as has CUA. I am interested to see how he and the team do in conference as well as when they eventually face some adversity.

SU looks ok. Patch is having a great year as well. He defn has expanded his game with a nice midrange shot and still hits the boards hard. Cosgrove has had a few solid games didnt look like he was in shape when I saw him. Spencer takes bad shots but is a smooth player and will be an all conference guy before his time is up. My prediction: SU will once again fizzle towards the end of the season, get into the playoffs and lose first round.

Merch Marine has been a big dissapointment out of the gate here. With everyone back from a team who was on the brink of making the playoffs last year and adding a talented freshman in Snead I thought they would be a top team that would challenge Scranton. Perhaps there are some injuries they are dealing with but right now it doesn't look good for them.

Moravians win over Scranton was a fluke I feel. I imagine Scranton went in over confident and didn't take care of the little things while giving a bad team confidence that they never should have had. From boxscores they look like they will be a tough team who will play a lot of people close but in the end not have the talent to win. They have no one who can score on the block.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on December 19, 2008, 06:06:44 pm
bballfan10: I agree with what you've stated about Goucher. First off, it's a great school in a great location. Add the million plus people in the Baltimore/Towson/ Metro DC. area & you've got a recruiting base that's pretty unbelievable within a 40 mile radius of a really nice campus with a great facility.
  As for Eli Londo...the kid is in a zone right now. Too bad the Royals are off till after the New Year...hope it doesn't cool him off too much. Looking forward to the Royals Goucher/Catholic trip next month. I believe the Royals will be staying right in Towson which has some great spots right up the pike from campus.
  The one game that stands out right now against a Landmark team is F&M's 40+ win at Juniata. I know they lost the big kid (Cannon) to graduation...but, as down as they may be, not too many teams roll into Juniata & win by that margin. Not sure what happened in that one...just a really bad game or that plus old Mr. Robinson has loaded up in Lancaster once again. Cheers!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on December 19, 2008, 08:15:11 pm
A lot of great spots toga. Just another one of the great potential selling points for Goucher coupled with the fact you have Towson Univ right there along with Loyola and Stevenson right in the area and you can throw JHU, Coppin, and Morgan St. too. Lotta people lotta places to go unlike some other schools in the conference such as Juniata who easily had the most embarassing loss of any school in the Landmark I will agree with you on that. Although F&M looks to have a better team then in years past losing by 40 is unacceptable especially @ home as you stated.  The Landmark as a whole hasn't done as well as I expected against other conferences. Scranton has dominated the MAC Comm but other then them no significant wins to speak of for the conference as a whole that I can think of off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 20, 2008, 01:10:10 am
Catholic dominated Pitt-Greenberg in Atlanta today 82-58.  Not terribly surprising, perhaps, but the Cardinals shot 50% and out rebounded their opponents 47-23.  Four players in double figures.

Goucher really hasn't been particularly competitive in quite some time.  I thought they had some talent there this year and they would show significant improvements, but it hasn't happened.  Frankly, I don't mean to be blunt, but I think at this point they probably need to get some fresh blood in there.  The program has really plateued. 

As far as an academic institution, I think it appeals to a certain kind of student, but I'm not sure that many basketball players are really that kind of student.  Its a lot different atmosphere from a Scranton or a Catholic or even a York or a F&M.  They have certainly had some very good players over the years and they always play Catholic tough though.  One other thing in their favor is an excellent facility.  Oh, and they have one hell of a PA announcer.


I am not aware of the current status of the dance team, but suffice to say it was always a highlight of my annual trip up there, though now that I have a kid I'd have to shield his eyes from the action on the floor.  And was there EVER action. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on December 20, 2008, 09:01:12 pm
Catholic won the Ogelthorpe Holiday Classic today with a 77-75 win over Buffalo State.  Frankly, doesn't look like the Cardinals played a great--they got outrebounded and didn't shoot particularly well against a relatively weak opponent.  But a win's a win, and for a young team playing back to back games, its a nice way to end the first semester--and with an 8-2 record.

Catholic is back in action when they host the Residence Inn-Greenbelt Classic in January.  I remember when it was the CUA-Coca Cola Classic, but I'm clearly over the hill.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 21, 2008, 09:33:25 pm
Everyone's points about Goucher are valid. They have the opportunities and the chances to resurrect themselves as one of the top teams in the region and maybe make a run nationally, but they haven't figured it out. I sometimes think their recruiting is aiming at the wrong students. The players they aim for don't fit into the academics of the school, but I don't know enough about the process or the students to make that judgement. We shall see what happens in the future. The athletic program certainly has the facilities to succeed and I do think the Landmark could help that, but time will tell.

And Matt, thanks as always for the comment about the PA at Goucher. I do appreciate it!

As for the dancers... they are okay! :)

More about Goucher when I get more time after the holidays!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on December 22, 2008, 09:03:39 am
Everyone's points about Goucher are valid......I sometimes think their recruiting is aiming at the wrong students. The players they aim for don't fit into the academics of the school, but I don't know enough about the process or the students to make that judgement. We shall see what happens in the future.

That's disturbing to hear. If Goucher is bringing in below average student-athletes, why are they in the Landmark?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on December 22, 2008, 09:22:22 am
The players they aim for don't fit into the academics of the school, but I don't know enough about the process or the students to make that judgement.


Cold_Case,

Welcome back.. it would be distrubing if Goucher was blowing away the competition. Nevertheless, it sounds like it defeats the whole purpose of joining the Landmark? One or two "academic projects" I can understand, but the whole team?

Saratoga,


New royal site is up, before Jan. '09 and no more waiting and waiting and waiting for the website to load.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on December 22, 2008, 01:24:04 pm


As for the dancers... they are okay! :)

Pardon the hijack but since I have access to the expert here...  :)  I've always wondered why Goucher has a dance team and not a cheerleading squad. Any insight on that?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 23, 2008, 02:20:37 am
Let me restate what I was trying to say about Goucher and their recruiting: I think they are aiming at athletes who end up having trouble maybe getting into the school.

I am not saying the students on the team are struggling. They get students who are academically qualified and there is no question about that - I know many of them and they certainly have some very book-smart guys on the team.

What I am trying to say is that sometimes I think they aim at players that aren't as qualified... thus putting a lot of eggs in the basket that isn't going to work out.

I am not basing my theory on ANY facts. It is COMPLETELY a feeling. I do NOT know the recruiting habits and I do NOT know specifically who they recruit or have struggled with. That being said, in years past I have seen deeper recruiting classes come in that work well with each other. Until this year, I saw an effort to bring in a few good players instead of a group of them.

There is also som trouble getting players that work in the "system" that Goucher uses on offense and defense. You can be a book-smart person, but that doesn't mean you are game smart. I sometimes wonder about the game-smarts with some of the players that arrive at Goucher. Some players never seem to learn in four years how to run things and some players can't handle the pressure of learning the system.

I am sure I have just put my foot in my mouth once again... but the "censor" is not working right now. Long story, but I am in Malborough, MA right now after traveling from Baltimore today (left at 7PM) after a couple hour nap following a 24 hour day. I may not be completely working on all cylinders. I will check back in at a later time to see if I need to once again restate something! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2009, 11:05:35 am
Happy '09 to all!


Does anyone know is the Radisson Invitational will be broadcast over the internet?  Royals could face a real test against 10-1 Richard Stockton on Sunday at 4:00pm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 02, 2009, 01:24:15 pm
NEPA,
   I think I heard Dean Corwin say(during the Albright game) that he would be doing the women's games today and 2morrow and the men on Sunday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 02, 2009, 05:17:22 pm
+1 Ronk, thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 04, 2009, 08:36:46 pm
Scranton had a decent win against SUNY Plattsburgh yesterday and today found out what it takes to beat a nationally ranked program when they took on Stockton St. The good news is they finally brought in some good schools for the Radisson...the bad news, Scranton keeps on losing its own tourney & it becomes painfully clear that they are just a few athletes short of what it takes to win on the national scene.
  This is the same Stockton team that gave National Runnerup Amherst a run for their money last year in the NCAA Elite 8 game...ironically held at Plattsburgh. Too many weapons both inside & out...kids that crash the boards, a point who just doesn't turn it over & a smothering non-stop defense. The Royals played hard & had it within 2 with the chance to tie but, missed the front end of a 1+1 & it went downhill in a hurry after that.
  If there are between 10/16 teams better than Stockton out there, that should give anyone that knows the Royals an idea of where this team or subsequent teams need to be to get back into serious national contention...one can only hope some relentless recruiting is underway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 05, 2009, 08:51:40 am
Nice to see some press. Will post thoughts later..


U of S comeback comes up short in Radisson final


 
 

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BY SCOTT WALSH
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Published: Monday, January 05, 2009
Updated: Monday, January 5, 2009 4:12 AM EST
When the University of Scranton men’s basketball team got close, Richard Stockton College simply kicked things into high gear.

Using their speed and quickness down the stretch, the nationally ranked Ospreys held off the Royals, 77-62, in the championship game of the seventh annual Radisson Invitational on Sunday afternoon at the John Long Center.

Omar Smith had 22 points and 10 rebounds to lead Stockton (12-1), which has won nine straight games and is No. 14 in this week’s d3hoops.com Top 25 poll. Smith was named the tournament’s Most Valuable Player.

Santini Lancioni added 20 points for the Ospreys to join Smith on the all-tournament team.

Luke Hawk led four scorers in double figures for Scranton with 18 points and was named to

the all-tournament team.


Rounding out the squad were Steven Johns of Shenandoah and Errol Daniyan from Plattsburgh State.

Shenandoah won the consolation game over Plattsburgh, 63-39.

Leading at halftime, 40-33, Stockton opened the second half with a 10-2 burst to increase the margin to 15 with 16:53 remaining.

But the Royals clawed their way back. Over the next 6� minutes, they went on a 17-4 run to close to within 54-52 with 10:33 left.

“We attacked, stayed aggressive and were able to get to the foul line and hit some shots,” Royals coach Carl Danzig said of his team’s rally. “Our pressure forced some turnovers, too.”

Zach Ashworth capped the run with a nifty play. Inbounding from underneath the Stockton basket, he threw the ball off Smith’s back, caught it, scored, was fouled and completed the three-point play.

Stockton coach Gerry Matthews called timeout and had some harsh words for his team.

“I said, ‘How about guarding someone for a change?’�” Matthews said. “It went from 50-35 to 54-52. We were taking quick shots; just take your time and run something.

“We took their shot. We just had to get out poise back.”

Actually, the Royals had a chance to tie the game at 54. However, Luke Hawk had the front end of a 1-and-1 rattle in and out.

That’s when Stockton turned things up a notch.

With the score 63-58 and 6:24 left, the Ospreys defense limited the Royals to just one point over the next 4� minutes while the offense scored 12.

Smith accounted for five of the 12 points. Michael Darrow hit a 3-pointer — Stockton’s 10th of the game — before free throws by Lancioni (1) and Kai Massaquoi (3) finished off the Royals.

“Their team speed and athleticism wore on us,” Danzig said. “To their credit, they did a great job of holding us down.”

Paul Biagioli added 14 points for the Royals (7-4), which had a three-game winning streak halted. Ashworth and Paul Hawk each finished with 10 points.

Despite the loss, Danzig felt his team could take away some positives as it resumes Landmark Conference play with home games Friday against Susquehanna and Saturday against Juniata.

“We competed and that’s always what you’re always looking for,” Danzig said. “They were the No. 14-ranked team in the country, we went head-to-head with them and had a two-point game with 10 minutes to go. All we were looking to do was give ourselves an opportunity to be in the game at the end and I think we did that.”
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 09, 2009, 11:02:21 pm
After winning the CUA Classic last weekend, Catholic kicked off the rest of its Landmark schedule with a 74-43 win on the road at Drew.  Jason Banzhaf had 18 for the Cardinals. 

Obviously winning ROY should have put him on the radar screen of the rest of the league, but I can't say enough about how well he's playing.   For CUA semi-old timers, he reminds me a lot of Will Morley--only I dare say that's farther along as a sophomore than Will was.  Granted, Will's teams had more scoring depth, but Jason is averaging 19.8 points a game while shooting 58% and grabbing just about 7 and a half boards.  Just like Will, he's even got range from 3 although he doesn't look for that shot.  He dominated against Husson last weekend (who beat Clark and played Catholic surprisingly tough) despite a relentless double team in the second half. 

Cardinals take on Merchant Marine tomorrow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 11, 2009, 01:58:58 am
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  Here are the standings both standard and a new format(Ronk Standings) which stresses the effect of home court losses and road wins in a conference which has an uneven number of home vs road games for each team after each weekend(until the final travel-pair game), since the 1st weekend starts play with only 1 game per team. I think it gives a truer picture.

Standard                                                   RS

MMA           3 - 0                                        Catholic     2 - 0
Scranton    2 - 1                                        MMA           1 - 0
Catholic      2 - 1                                        Susque      1 - 0
Susque       2 - 1                                        Juniata      1 - 0
Juniata       1 - 2                                        Scranton    0 - 0
Drew          1 - 2                                        Goucher     0 - 1
Moravian    1 - 2                                        Moravian    0 - 2
Goucher     0 - 3                                        Drew          0 - 2
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 11, 2009, 11:22:24 am
Noticed that Juniata went 0 for at the line (0-8). When is the last time that happened?

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 11, 2009, 12:18:31 pm
Missing all of your free throws (even if the total is only eight) is hard to believe especially coming from a team that was in the Landmark finals last season. I thought prior to seeing that stat only the Lady Royals were capable of pulling that one off. I guess Juniata lost more than Brian Cannon because they really have struggled this year. However, as we all know, beating them at their place will certainly present a whole new set of challenges.
  Next week at Goucher on Friday & Catholic on Sat. I saw Goucher twice last year & thought they had a nice group of kids that were talented...just a little young. Not sure what's going on right now but, they too have yet to find the mark very often in the win column. Catholic will be tough as they always are at home. Last season we swept that road trip...this year it all depends if the Royals dig down & decide to play defense instead of the last team to score wins mentality.
  All in all a good weekend...anytime you get two W's I guess it is. Just have yet to see anything that makes me say the Royals are now ready for the Stockton's, Amherst's & Wheaton's of the world...not yet anyway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 12, 2009, 01:44:06 pm
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  Here are the standings both standard and a new format(Ronk Standings) which stresses the effect of home court losses and road wins in a conference which has an uneven number of home vs road games for each team after each weekend(until the final travel-pair game), since the 1st weekend starts play with only 1 game per team. I think it gives a truer picture.

Standard                                                   RS

MMA           3 - 0                                        Catholic     2 - 0
Scranton    2 - 1                                        MMA           1 - 0
Catholic      2 - 1                                        Susque      1 - 0
Susque       2 - 1                                        Juniata      1 - 0
Juniata       1 - 2                                        Scranton    0 - 0
Drew          1 - 2                                        Goucher     0 - 1
Moravian    1 - 2                                        Moravian    0 - 2
Goucher     0 - 3                                        Drew          0 - 2
 


Please tell us more about what goes into the Ronk Standings....I think I have it figured out, but was never any good with numbers!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 12, 2009, 04:47:30 pm
    The left side is the number of road wins; the right side is the number of home losses; for example Catholic has 2 road wins and no home losses.
    The idea is that home court is usually such an advantage that you are expected to win at home; if you can get a road win, that is big and hopefully, the RS will show that as the weekends go by. Remember, at the end of each weekend, each team has played an uneven number of home vs road games which isn't reflected in the standard standings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: old ends on January 14, 2009, 09:08:19 pm
Ronk-- I like your standings and would like to use it in the Centennial, of course calling it the Ronk standings.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 14, 2009, 10:38:03 pm
Scranton's web site has them playing PSU-Hazleton tonight in their make-up game... yet no scores posted nor writeup on their "new' & improved" site. Just a figment of their immagination, another mysterious cancelation at the Hazledome or just a real late synopsis from one of the nations better games?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 14, 2009, 11:31:50 pm
Saratoga,
    Royals victory now up on web site; Fitzpatrick only 12 min of action(no foul trouble); no mention of an injury.

Old ends,
   Feel free to use/adapt it for the Centennial.   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2009, 08:06:16 am
Thanks Ronk. I called it quits after 11:00 & nothing was up. Good catch on Fitz...hope it was just being a little under the weather & nothing serious.
  Your index is catching on...when do the predictive features roll out? ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 15, 2009, 08:46:34 am
How about 17 turnovers against Penn State Hazelton?  :-\
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 15, 2009, 08:56:33 pm
NEPAFAN: Wow! 17 turnovers vs. PSU Hazleton...not quite the classic tuneup one would expect this time of year right before you head into a tough weekend on the road. I guess it's safe to say the Royals are not peaking too soon. I guess the larger question yet to be answered is...will they ever?
  Another question re: the Royals. Remember back not too many years ago when Scranton would put 2,000 in the stands for a game against the bottom feeders of the MAC & absolutely pack the Long Center for the big games? What the heck has happened over the last 6-7 years? If they draw 500 it's a good crowd these days & most doubleheaders the Lady Royals have the larger student & local fan support...what has gone wrong with this program and the support from all sections? I'm not sure there is just one right answer...just wondering what others thoughts are & if other schools are seeing a similar wane in support...prior to playoff action anyway.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2009, 11:26:24 pm
   I would attribute attendance problems to (1) no more "big" games like Kings(men and women) and to a lesser degree, Desales(men/women) and Wilkes men and (2) intersession in the prime of the season. What % of the student body goes to intersession?
   It also helps to have players that leave it all on the court like the Kates(P and Doc), Erin Healy, Matt/Mellody, Brian O'Donnell, Bicknell, etc.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 16, 2009, 04:39:36 pm
The only time Scranton had 2,000 + in recent history was their run to the Sweet Sixteen during Danzig's first season. So I think that is a bit of an exaggeration. Nevertheless, no reason why they shouldn't be getting a few more fans. I do think that fans show up in Feb and especially come playoff time.


I think you would see those numbers during the regular season if you get Wilkes or Kings to return to the Long Center. (Is that ever going to happen??)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: old ends on January 16, 2009, 06:15:36 pm
Thanks again Ronk

set it up but messed it up but will correct next time
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2009, 01:42:17 am
  Royals struggle but victorious over Goucher. Eli with several strong inside moves despite foul trouble; Zach with several strong drives to the hoop; Ryan 4-7 3-ptr in 1st half; Dan O'Connell with 4 big foul shots in last 2 minutes, rebounds, tie-ups, and loose ball peskiness. Luke leads with 11 rebounds; Paul Hawk hits floor hard and doesn't return.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2009, 02:59:05 am
NEPAFAN: You are exactly right, the Royals last Sweet 16 team led by Bess' last recruiting class of seniors Dan Loftus, Derek Elphik, Bryant Smith & Jeff Kane were the last to play in front of what was then considered a "typical' Scranton crowd of 1,200 to 2,000 per home game. It was right after that season that it certainly seems the bottem fell out. If you remember, the very next season I believe the Royals won only 3 or 4 games all year with the first semester coming to an abrupt end with Marywood beating the Royals in the Long Center on a last second 3 point bank shot from about 40' out. It was all down hill after that game & with each additional loss it appeared less & less students & former regulars showed up.
  Since Coach Danzig's first season at the helm, I have not seen another game at the Long Center even when they played Wilkes & Kings that had the atmosphere of previous years. I am not in any way suggesting the decline in Royal attendance is to be attributed to him...just that Bess had the very real luxury of having his kids embraced by the students and locals & I've just not seen that in the last 6 or 7 years.
  The last game at the Long Center that had a somewhat respectable crowd was 3 years ago when the Royals played Wilkes for the MAC championship in Scranton's last year in that conference...good win by the way.
  One thing the Royals have done this year for the first time in many years is schedule a few Sat. games in the evening once 2nd. semester starts & I think if they are still winning, this will certainly help. Bess hardly ever played Sat. afternoon games (except Kings) as he wanted the students fired up & ready to support his kids. I guess we'll know soon enough & hopefully this years team can at least catch a little glimpse of what it was once like to play in front of a real Long Center crowd.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 17, 2009, 09:15:50 am
  Royals struggle but victorious over Goucher. Eli with several strong inside moves despite foul trouble; Zach with several strong drives to the hoop; Ryan 4-7 3-ptr in 1st half; Dan O'Connell with 4 big foul shots in last 2 minutes, rebounds, tie-ups, and loose ball peskiness. Luke leads with 11 rebounds; Paul Hawk hits floor hard and doesn't return.

Ronk,

Any status on Paul Hawk? I think they need him this afternoon vs. Banzhaf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 17, 2009, 12:05:29 pm
Nepa,
   I won't know about Paul until I get to the game; hopefully, Dean will be able to let you know on the broadcast. Guessing that they would see how he did overnite.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2009, 02:50:01 pm
That game also has live video, if you're interested. Links to audio, video and live stats for games on the front page where we have them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2009, 08:20:35 pm
Catholic over Scranton 64-59.

Outstanding game--tough, physical and close the whole way.  I'll post up some details and thoughts on both teams, but the thing that stood out to me was how hard the Cardinals battled, which is reflected in rebounds.  Catholic came into this game with a massive height disadvantage and frankly not much interior depth, especially compared to Scranton--and managed to outrebound Scranton by 10.  That was hustle.

I'll try to get some additional thoughts up tonight. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 08:31:48 pm
Quick note from Goucher:

Moravian 12
Goucher 32

Goucher sets a team and Sports and Recreation Center record for the least amount of points allowed by a team in any half.

Moravian show 4-26 (.154) from the floor and 1-8 (.125) from the free throw line.
Could have been worse, Goucher shot 9-18 (.500) from the free throw line. Though, that is about average - so that is about as good as it gets some nights!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2009, 09:38:04 pm
Goucher gets its first Landmark win of the season, 76-53 over Moravian. A sloppy, foul-filled second half of basketball.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 17, 2009, 10:24:57 pm
Some additional thoughts on the Catholic-Scranton game:

The way this game played out all added up to a very unlikely win for the Cardinals.  They were cold from 3 and shot just 4-19, allowing Scranton to pack in a tough zone and double Jason Banzhaf.   As a result, Catholic had just 12 points in the paint--so if you combine subpar outside shooting with relatively little production inside, it generally doesn't add up to a win.   The game was EXTREMELY tightly officiated, which should have benefited Scranton because they had so much more interior depth.  And sure enough, Banzhaf picked up his 4th foul at 15:09 with Catholic up 9.

Almost as soon as Banzhaf was out of the game, Scranton went on a run and took a 47-46 lead less than 5:00 later.  All the while, Scranton's big men were racking up fouls inside, but Catholic is much more reliant on Banzhaf who is by far their best player, and he ended up sitting until 7:06 with his team down 2.

For all of Scranton's size, though, it amazes me how little they did with it offensively.  They had major matchup advantages all night yet almost never posted anybody up.  Now I realize the "other" Hawk didn't play, but I'm still puzzled why Scranton took so many jump shots and LONG 3's (granted, they made some of them quite impressively).  They looked like a European team.

Even without Banzhaf, Catholic still kept trying to get the ball inside and that got them to the line.   Scranton never did--and while they certainly had a lot of free throw attempts, too, it wasn't as much simply because you aren't as likely to get fouled when you are standing there jacking up shots.

The other key for Catholic was totally shutting down Zack Ashworth.  A number of guys were on him including Evin Yarborough who did a great job.  Ashworth was 1-8 for 5 points.

I mentioned the rebounding number and that still astounds me.  Just a testament to lots of hustle and hard work underneath.

I see that Coach Danzig's antics haven't changed.  In the first half, the foul situation was virtually even--I think Scranton maybe had one more team foul, but it wasn't much of a discrepancy.  To start the second, Catholic comes out with a quick little burst to take the lead, and virtually the first foul that's called, he's up yelling at the refs "here we go...its the same thing every time down here" like he's getting screwed.  It was bizarre.  As I said before, the tightly officiated game should have played to his advantage because he had much more depth to work with, and sure enough, Catholic's best player ended up sitting for a major part of the 2nd half with 4 fouls.  I don't mind a coach working the refs, but that's kind of a stunning accusation to make in a game which had been called quite evenly.  To top it off, he ends up arguing a foul in which Reed was mauled that was probably the most obvious call the entire game. 

In any event, I still think Scranton is physically the most talented team in the league.  They've got size, they can shoot the ball and at least tonight they didn't turn it over.  Of course, that doesn't neccesarily equate to being the best team, and that remains to be seen.   Scranton led by 1 with 58 seconds left and had two opportunities to win the game--and got nothing on either trip.  Frankly, it looked like nobody wanted to take the shot.  On their last posession, Fuller had a fairly wide open look at a 3, didn't take it, badly faked out the defender which gave him a wide open jump shot--and didn't take that either.  Instead he dribbled the ball right into traffic and turned it over.  Now I don't know his range and what kind of shooter he is, but...he should have taken the shot.  Contrast that on the other end, when Dixon freed himself for a split second just inside the 3 point line and still took--and made the shot that basically won the game. 

Great win for the Cardinals to build on.  Winning in Scranton will be extremely tough, so getting this one at home was big.  They were pretty much on the ropes twice tonight--once early, and once late--and with a young team you just don't know how they are going to respond.  There may well be a 3rd battle between these two teams, and where it will be played is important so this is going to be an interesting stretch run. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 17, 2009, 11:52:21 pm
Matt: Good breakdown of the game...hard to believe in many ways Scranton did not win this...but, certainly seemed like the Royals were out hustled. We were not able to make this trip this year but a good friend & his wife were there & he called with about 14 minutes left in the second half during a time out wondering why the "hell aren't Scranton's guards driving to the hoop when the refs are calling all these touch fouls"? Once again the Royals settle in as a one dimensional team firing away & using very little creativity. Talking to him after the game he stated that this was a very winnable game it's just that Scranton made zero adjustments to the situation on the floor. I think this is starting to become the basketball version of Groundhog Day...same stuff year after year. From your discription, it sounds like you witnessed the same things by the Royals...bomb, bomb & more bombs...just like the final score should you be a Royals fan.
  PS. Hope your trip home tonight was a little less stressful than a few weeks ago!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 02:17:02 am
   Agree that Catholic outhustled the Royals(3rd road game in 4 days) as evidenced by 14-6 advantage in offensive rebounds, Royals' below average foul-shooting,  and Zach beating his man for the lead on a drive to the hoop in the final minute but coming up short on his leap(no spring) at the basket.
  Game was tightly officiated by 2 refs(including my friend, naturally) but overly officiated by the 3rd who called many fouls in the paint with little contact, no advantage/disadvantage, generally without the offended player having possession of the ball, then with game on the line in the final seconds, he swallows his whistle on a non call that resulted in Fuller turning it over. We'll never know if the outcome would have been different, but he injected himself into the game instead of letting the players decide.
   Jason was impressive in the paint, but at least he could blame himself for his absence in the second half with those 2 dumb fouls(running into a 3-pt shooter(#3) and getting ball-faked on the baseline(#4)
   Jump-shooting vs non-shooting maneuvering inside had nothing to do with the fouls that shouldn't been called .   
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 02:27:32 am
Standings                                               RS

MMA                 5 - 0                                Catholic          2 - 0
Catholic           4 - 1                                 Susque          2 - 0
Susque            3 - 2                                 MMA               1 - 0
Scranton          3 - 2                                 Scranton        1 - 0
Drew                2 - 3                                 Juniata           1 - 0
Juniata             1 - 4                                 Moravian        0 - 2
Moravian          1 - 4                                 Goucher         0 - 2
Goucher           1 - 4                                 Drew              0 - 3

Scheduling oddity:    Drew starts conference play with 5 home games, Juniata with 5 road games
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 18, 2009, 10:17:38 am
   Agree that Catholic outhustled the Royals(3rd road game in 4 days) as evidenced by 14-6 advantage in offensive rebounds, Royals' below average foul-shooting,  and Zach beating his man for the lead on a drive to the hoop in the final minute but coming up short on his leap(no spring) at the basket.
  Game was tightly officiated by 2 refs(including my friend, naturally) but overly officiated by the 3rd who called many fouls in the paint with little contact, no advantage/disadvantage, generally without the offended player having possession of the ball, then with game on the line in the final seconds, he swallows his whistle on a non call that resulted in Fuller turning it over. We'll never know if the outcome would have been different, but he injected himself into the game instead of letting the players decide.
   Jason was impressive in the paint, but at least he could blame himself for his absence in the second half with those 2 dumb fouls(running into a 3-pt shooter(#3) and getting ball-faked on the baseline(#4)
   Jump-shooting vs non-shooting maneuvering inside had nothing to do with the fouls that shouldn't been called .   

Yeah I don't know that anybody enjoys a game officiated THAT tightly.  I particularly agree with the advantage/disadvantage--or lack thereof--on some of the fouls.  It wasn't always in the paint, either--Olivero, Catholic's senior shooting guard, got nailed on a few touch fouls a little farther out.

But my point was that it was clear that's the way it was going to be, and it was absolutely happening on both ends, so at some point you have to adjust to that.   And that's where the style of play comes in--it wouldn't have taken points off the board if Scranton had tried to go inside more, but it would have gotten them to the line more too.  Plus, I just think an outside game like that is more effective if you at least try to put the ball in the paint on occassion.  Particularly when you have a couple guys on the floor that have a good 2-4 inches on anybody on the defense.  Yet I'm not sure there was even a single attempt to post somebody up.

Jason's third foul was stupid, the fourth one was a little questionable--I don't think he even left his feet--but in a game like that you have to expect it.  I didn't quite see the end of game sequence the way you did, perhaps not surprisingly--that looked like about a clean a steal as possible--and in any case, Fuller passed up 2 open looks just to dribble the ball around in the paint, so...

I suppose I do understand Saratoga's frustration--Scranton's got so much talent, they probably should be stomping teams like Catholic.  However, I wouldn't be quite so pessimistic.  They're still a really good team, their depth is outstanding, and they can shoot the ball.  It looked to me that they didn't quite know what to do with all of it yet--but its January. 

Meanwhile, Catholic has shown a lot of growth this year...the sky is the limit on Banzhaf and Dixon has turned into one of the better guards in the league already.  They will need to get more consistency from some of the other players, and obviously they don't have a true center, but this is a very well coached team and the chemistry is much better than last year. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 18, 2009, 11:19:43 am
A couple of things.


Scranton's interior depth- Scranton doesn't have a true 5 on their team. They have no post game, thus all the jump shots and 3 point attempts from outside. When you couple that with Paul Hawk sitting on the bench, your left with Biagoli, Londo, and Fuller, who all have height, but are not your bangers in the paint.

Landmark Schedule- Tough to win two conference games on back to back nights, especially when you are without one of your starters. Goucher knocks of Moravian is evidence of this me thinks. The Landmark conference schedule is a war and this game was a battle...

A Glimpse Into the Future?- With P. Hawk going down, Londo and Biagoli fouling out we saw what next year might look like unless Danzig and company have a solid recruiting year.  I think he will be able to offer some recruits 3 starting positions next year...maybe that draws them in.

I am getting ahead of myself...I see Scranton Catholic meeting up in the playoffs this year.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 18, 2009, 01:36:19 pm
Matt,
   Concerning Catholic, separate from Banzhof, who's topnotch, playing well were Yarbrough, Reed, who's plenty physical and athletic in the paint, and Stolzenthaler, who locked down Fitzpatrick on defense.
  Talked with Coach Howes after church today and he was happy with the two close wins, as well he might be.
   Looks like action is heating up at least as far as we chatters are concerned. I imagine Susque and the Grove are going to be making contributions soon,also.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 19, 2009, 11:07:39 am
Good to know I'm missed.  :)

Haven't been able to catch the team on the road but should be able to contribute something starting next weekend. Football's been making the most noise around here lately with the big conference change announcement. Don't worry, we're not leaving the Landmark.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 20, 2009, 09:19:56 am
Looking forward to see how Scranton does against first place MMA on Saturday Night. If you recall, MMA pushed around Scranton twice last year.....Hopefully P. Hawk is healthy and able to return.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 23, 2009, 11:47:16 am
Heard Hawk is healthy and ready to go this weekend against the hottest team in the Landmark.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 24, 2009, 10:39:00 pm
Huge win at the Long Center by the Royals tonight. Paul Biagioli drops in a missed shot at the buzzer & the Royals come away with a very hard fought win. This was a big swing game as with a loss the Royals would be 3 out & now with this win they are just 1 out & control their own destiny. Paul was having his way underneath so it certainly seems like the shot the Royals took with about 39 seconds left in the game, from the wing with nobody underneath was somewhat ill-advised because MMA then essentially had the hammer to win or send it to OT. They missed with about 7 seconds left & Ashworth got the rebound & tried a driving layup that rolled around & out & Paul was there to grab the rebound & put it back up at the buzzer. Lots of work still to do but, BIG win.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2009, 01:03:48 am
   More kudos for Dan O' Connell's stats(following a solid game @ Goucher) - didn't miss a shot, 6-6 from foul line, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal. And the Royals got laid-back broadcaster Dean Corwin excited at the end.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2009, 05:15:04 pm
Matt,
    Live video & stats of CUA-Juniata currently on Juniata web site.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on January 25, 2009, 05:57:08 pm
Susquehanna takes two at home this weekend, Catholic yesterday and Goucher today. Goucher ended up being tougher than I thought they would, based on their record.

I'm continually impressed by Joel Patch. Maybe he was just overshadowed last year by Robinson and Cuff, but he really seems to be coming into his own. His game is a lot smoother and he's averaging double-digits in scoring and rebounds (leading the conference in rebounds).
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 25, 2009, 07:53:59 pm
Anyone know why Paul Hawk didn't play today and Luke Hawk had limited minutes?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 25, 2009, 09:20:26 pm
Pretty interesting turn of events with Merchant Marine getting clipped by Moravian today.  4 way tie!  You know, I think we have ourself a pretty good league here fellas.  At least its competitive.

I guess splitting on your road trip is good enough.  Tough to tell where Catholic went wrong against Susquehanna from the stat sheet....defense?  Looked like Sus. just put in the ball in the hole a little bit better--everything else was pretty even.  But that will do it every time!

Yeah, Goucher is not a "bad" team, Grove.  They pushed Catholic to OT earlier--granted, at their place.  They just haven't really put it together, although they are clearly playing better ball now. 

Next Friday, the Cardinals play Merchant Marine--that ought to be interesting. 

Banzhaf watch:  this weekend, 23 and 7 in game 1, 21 and 9 in game 2.   Now averaging around 20.5 a game.  Looks like he's starting to take more 3's...and hitting.   He's got to be in the All America picture at this point.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 25, 2009, 11:59:13 pm
Standings                                               RS

MMA                 5 - 2                                Catholic         3 - 0
Catholic           5 - 2                                 Susque          2 - 0
Susque            5 - 2                                 MMA              1 - 0
Scranton          5 - 2                                Scranton         1 - 0
Moravian          3 - 4                                Juniata           1 - 2
Goucher           2 - 5                                Goucher          1 - 2
Drew                2 - 5                                Moravian        0 - 2
Juniata             1 - 6                                Drew              0 - 3
 
    5 home games in 2nd half for Catholic & Juniata; 5 road games for Drew & Moravian. RS suggests top 4 in playoffs, Catholic #1 seed.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on January 26, 2009, 02:33:01 am
Good news for Scranton to have Biagioli have the weekend he did. If he gets it going for them look out. I still think Scranton and Merch Marine are the top 2. Both teams depth and ability to have multiple players have a big game on any given night makes them dangerous and difficult to guard/prepare for. I think the 2nd half of the season will be real interesting. My personal hypothesis, Susq will finish 4th because they don't play d at a high enough level. they just have so much talent and athleticism they make up for it to get these wins during the regular season. Catholic will finish in 3rd in the league. Banzhaf is a special talent but things will get tougher as teams start playing him the 2nd time around. If other guys begin to play well around him consistently then things will be different but I think they are still a year away. Merch Marine will finish 2nd. Scranton 1st. both have 5 guys in the starting lineup who can score and both teams share the ball well however the Royals play the better defense of the two.

As far as All Americans in the Landmark I don't believe there will be one. Although Banzhaf and Patch are both having great years I think that neither of their teams will have a good enough season to warrant such recognition. Good chance I think we could see both as the forwards for the All Region Team. If CUA and Banzhaf continue their progression he will eventually get there.

Really surprised with the Goucher and Moravian boxscores today. Goucher because I saw Micah Perry a freshman drop 30 and Moravian with a big win over Merch Marine. Perry really surprised me. Saw him earlier in the year and felt that his shot selection was perhaps the worst I have ever seen next to my own,but now after seeing the boxscore im interested to see him and how he has developed over the course of this season. 

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2009, 06:53:13 am
Really surprised with the Goucher and Moravian boxscores today. Goucher because I saw Micah Perry a freshman drop 30 and Moravian with a big win over Merch Marine. Perry really surprised me. Saw him earlier in the year and felt that his shot selection was perhaps the worst I have ever seen next to my own,but now after seeing the boxscore im interested to see him and how he has developed over the course of this season. 
Don't expect to see that kind of performance out of Perry again. I have seen him play a lot this season and inconsistent would be a kind description. The reality is his shot selection is poor at best and he has a horrible habit of forcing the issue. He also has seen far less playing time until recently, but that is also a product of different substituation habits from the Goucher coaching staff on a game-by-game basis. Looks like Perry caught fire and they left him in the game, but that doesn't mean he will get a ton of playing time in Friday's game - it is all relative. I think he certainly has the talent to be a more productive player, but I have not seen the basketball IQ (my new favorite term, thanks to Gen Schmitt) from him to prove to me he will be a dominating player on the team or in the league.

Yeah, Goucher is not a "bad" team, Grove.  They pushed Catholic to OT earlier--granted, at their place.  They just haven't really put it together, although they are clearly playing better ball now. 
Interestingly enough, Gougher isn't a bad team... they just don't play an entire 40 minutes and they can't seem to play as a unit to finish a game. As much as there is senior leadership and experience on the team, it is amazing how many times they aren't on the same page when the game is on the line. Too many individuals on this team. However, I have seen them put it together on occasions (i.e. CUA, Scranton, and Moravian games) to show they are very capable. I am not saying they are going to win this conference, but if they can string a few games together and get into the conference tournament (top four)... they may be the most dangerous team there. (The Gophers are three games out of fourth - the four way tie for first - and with half of the conference schedule to, they could move up.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 27, 2009, 09:47:41 am
Okay, so the new site is 100% better than what Scranton was running....but what is the point of having a scoreboard on your website that you don't update? ???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on January 28, 2009, 01:58:12 pm
New to this board. Looking forward to throwing in my 2cents once in awhile. Looking at the rest of the schedule I don't think the there will be a change in the 4 teams at the top. This will be a another big weekend. Catholic needs more consistancy from Banzah's supporting cast, but different players have stepped up all year. Howes looks like he is down to a 8-9 man rotation instead of playing 11 or 12.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on January 29, 2009, 09:20:04 pm
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Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 11:00:21 am
This weekend could get real interesting for the Goucher Gophers. Perry is coming off of a big weekend where he nailed a dagger in a win against Juniata and had a big night scoring against Susquehanna. His shooting percentage was great so I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out fully loaded and ready to fire some shots against a Drew team friday night that upset Goucher the first time around. I got a feeling though that the coaching will play a factor and ultimately end in a loss for the Gophers again. No legit big inside for Goucher will hurt them and will be the sole factor of why they will not make it in the top 4 for playoff contention.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 11:03:49 am
7-10 from beyond the arc against Susguehanna. Dave doesn't that kind of numbers remind you of a (cough cough) deadly outside threat James Russo?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2009, 11:27:23 am
Hmm... Russo never shot that well... except in his head!  ;D

Perry certainly had a good weekend... but that is the first time he has put up good minutes are strung a few games together. So, unless I see something tonight and tomorrow, I am not jumping on the "he's playing well" bandwagon.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 12:32:37 pm
Word on the street is that Goucher shuffled up the playing cards again and will start a different lineup today, with Perry in the starting 5. Inconsistent starting lineup, changes every game, personnel never consistent, substitution woes and you wonder why the gophers can't gel. Yes a solid base to grow from but without the chemistry winning will be hard, Are you gellin?  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2009, 12:34:48 pm
To be honest, I don't know if I had announced the same starting five at a Goucher home game more than twice this season... so if they are changing the line-up again, it isn't anything new.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2009, 03:34:43 pm
 For those Royals' fans not traveling over hill and dale to Huntingdon for the games today, Juniata, on the school schedule web site(not D3hoops' schedule) is offering live video. I watched a few mins of their game with Catholic last weekend and while the speed isn't up to the level of other videocasts, it's worth watching.   


Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 30, 2009, 03:47:26 pm
Ronk,


You going to have Dean on the audio call while you watch?

Shaping up to be a good weekend in the conference. Showdown Saturday with the Royals and Sus. and Catholic vs. USMMA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2009, 04:13:20 pm
Nepa,
   Yes, I'll have Dean on,also, since there's no audio on the video plus I can check out out his play-by-play(hope Harry Dammer's along also); I get both(audio/video) over the internet; for a strange sensation, try Dean via the radio while watching the video. Usually, the radio landline is a few secs ahead of satellite video and disconcerting to see something happen secs after u heard it happen.
   I do this occasionally with my friend Rich Chvotkin(former Royals' classmate and broadcaster) who does Georgetown radio while watching the Hoyas on national TV.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on January 30, 2009, 11:22:53 pm
Looks as if Dave was right about Perry from Goucher. He Came out today and proved that a the stellar weekend he had was a fluke or possibly a lucky shooting night. 1-7 from the field won't cut it. Goucher was carried by Boswell, as they have been many times this year. Without him they may have been winless thus far. Merchant Marine will be another test tommorow and they are a tough squad who can do some damage inside. With depth lacking inside for the G-men (no reference to the Giants) I would say that Merchant Marine may take this one easily. Splitting games again, won't cut it.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 30, 2009, 11:33:54 pm
$$%$#@#$@#$#@$#@$@!!!!!!!

I'm not happy about today's Catholic-Merchant Marine game.  I shall withold comment until I calm down about it, but the end of game officiating sequence was less than satisfactory.  If a guy gets positively mauled when he's shooting a 3 in the final seconds of a game--I mean totally taken out, and the ball goes flying sideways--its a foul.  I understand that the refs don't want to decide the game, but by not making the call, they decided the game anyway.  It was a good look too--not one of those desperation-maybe the refs will bail me out--plays.  A legit, good--open, even--look at a 3--with the defense reacting way late and then overplaying it. 

Not happy. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2009, 09:35:03 am
Matt: I think there may be a bit more understanding for what you've just described had this game been played in Long Island as opposed to the comfy confines of DuFour.
  If the stat sheet is correct, CUA was 21/29 from the free throw line compaired to MMA's 14/20. As a matter of fact, Banzhoff alone was 14/17 which was almost equal to the entire MMA team.
  I realize there are some games where it comes down to not necessarily the fouls you've called but, rather the one you didn't call....however, it certainly seems CUA had more than enough chances to win this one.
  Could be a great learning tool for a very young Catholic squad...that's about the only positive spin that you can put on games like this. Dwell too long on the negitive & you may be ambushed by Drew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on January 31, 2009, 01:09:51 pm
Oh yeah, what I am complaining about has nothing to do with the rest of the game.  Merchant Marine FAR outplayed Catholic yesterday--at least for 37:00 or so--and was clearly the better team.  In fact, they are the best team I've seen in this conference in 2 years. 

Merchant Marine led by 12 with 4:00 left and this game was over.  Catholic put together an incredible run to cut it to a one position game with just under a minute left.  So I guess the only flaw was that MM didn't put the game away.  Their defense was absolutely outstanding--flawless.  Even though Banzhaf had 29 points, they were a very, very tough 29 points...obviously a lot of it at the line.  They really sealed the passing lanes so he couldn't kick out.  MM didn't do much when they actually had to run their offense, but everything is fueled by their defense.  They got a lot of transition points and pushed it up the floor.  They were not affected by Catholic's traps whatsoever.

So I can't complain that Catholic lost.  However...as you can see from the stat sheet, it was a tightly officiated game.  The bucket that put MM up 4 was on a drive/layup from the right side.  I was standing right there so I saw clearly that the kid traveled--took 3 steps and then leaped.  Well, they really didn't call any travels all day, so that's an understandable no call.  But they DID call a lot of fouls.  So whether you deserve to lose or not, and whether its the last play of the game or not, when you've got a kid taking a 3 point shot, he's set and got a good luck, and three defenders all realize it and arrive late, and then absolutely fall on top of him as he's shooting, causing the ball to go sideways and the kid to get  pushed into the ground...its NOT okay to swallow your whistle.

Irrespective of the outcome of the game.  Its quite possible that Dixon would have missed one of the 3 free throws anyway--and if he had I wouldn't complain.  I'm not complaining about the outcome of the game, I'm complaining about not calling an obvious foul after you've called everything else all night.

Fair enough?

And btw--I've had a problem with the lead official in that crew for a long, long time--years.  Rest assured, he never gives Catholic anything and he's an arrogant jerk as a bonus.   He t'd up a kid from Merchant Marine for God knows what...it was during a play.  Maybe the kid said something, but it couldn't have been to the ref as he was defending the ball at the time of the technical foul.  Power trip.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2009, 07:12:58 pm
Somewhat of an expected outcome for those that have followed the Royals the past 6 or 7 years. How many big games on the road have the Royals won anyway? Now in second place & if you're a betting person...take MMA and +7 next weekend. This just in from a long time Royal fan at the game..."never has so little been done with so much". No excuses, no ref issues, no we got jobbed...just another big game loss on the road...so what else has changed? How far can this experienced Royals team go...if they're lucky...second round...Landmark playoffs. Please let me be wrong!
???
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on January 31, 2009, 10:33:31 pm
This was one the Royals need to win. Next Sunday MMA +7 sounds about right, although with today's loss I think that  it is a must win for the Royals.


Still like this senior laden team in the conference tourny and to win their 3 straight conference title, but doing it on the road a la last year is a lot to ask. Havent the Royals been around 18-8 the past three years?


Toga to early to hear any buzz regarding next years incoming class?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on January 31, 2009, 10:56:03 pm
Standings                                               RS

MMA                7 - 2                                MMA               3 - 0
Susque            7 - 2                                 Susque          2 - 0
Catholic           6 - 3                                Catholic          3 - 1
Scranton          6 - 3                                Scranton         2 - 0
Moravian          3 - 6                                Juniata           1 - 3
Goucher           3 - 6                                Goucher          1 - 3
Drew                2 - 7                                Moravian        0 - 2
Juniata             2 - 7                                Drew             0 - 3
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 01, 2009, 01:30:22 pm
Standings                                               RS

MMA                7 - 2                                MMA               3 - 0
Susque            7 - 2                                 Susque          2 - 0
Catholic           6 - 3                                Catholic          3 - 1
Scranton          6 - 3                                Scranton         2 - 0
Moravian          3 - 6                                Juniata           1 - 3
Goucher           3 - 6                                Goucher          1 - 3
Drew                2 - 7                                Moravian        0 - 2
Juniata             2 - 7                                Drew             0 - 3



So of the top four in the Ronk Standings (and likely playoff teams) who has the easiest road to the finish line?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 01, 2009, 05:47:34 pm
Nepa,
   None of the 4 are travel partners so they have different home/away combos. Each has to play 2 of the other 3, 1 home, 1 away. Susque has 2 home, the others have 3.
   I'd rank them easiest to hardest:  MMA,Scranton,Catholic,Susque

RS predicts

MMA          10-4
others         9-5
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 02, 2009, 11:48:39 am
Its a little early now but I believe that a Susquehanna vs. Catholic Landmark Conference Tournament Final is soon approaching. These two teams have the tools to beat everyone else in the league. They need to finish strong and go into the tourny playing well. Let's just hope they don't play each other in the 1st round.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 02, 2009, 01:44:21 pm
Catholic was outplayed by MM period. MM played outstanding defense. Catholic rolled over Drew and relaxed too much after they got a big lead. Catholic needs someone else to step up offensively. They have alot of nice young talent. Banzah could be a 2000 point scorer by the time he graduates. I like the other big kid, 23 has nice shooting form but missed alot of shots, the redheaded kid seems like a bundle of energy and raw talent, and the point guard is a step from being very good. Like I have read here they look like a year away.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 02, 2009, 03:53:45 pm
Innerloop, would your sn be a reference to the Beltway?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2009, 05:19:55 pm
Catholic was outplayed by MM period. MM played outstanding defense. Catholic rolled over Drew and relaxed too much after they got a big lead. Catholic needs someone else to step up offensively. They have alot of nice young talent. Banzah could be a 2000 point scorer by the time he graduates. I like the other big kid, 23 has nice shooting form but missed alot of shots, the redheaded kid seems like a bundle of energy and raw talent, and the point guard is a step from being very good. Like I have read here they look like a year away.

Yes, they were.  Didn't see the Drew game though.  Banzhaf is the best Catholic sophomore I've seen in 10 years of watching Catholic basketball--and that includes Morley and Hilleary, both of whom won national championships as underclassmen.

Spencer Reed is tough and has come along pretty nicely--but they still need a big man to go along with Banzhaf.  Baker (23) is uneven and the redheaded kid is Clark Hindelang--lots of energy, yes!  Not quite there yet.

They do have two good point guards--I don't know which one you are referring to but RJ Dixon is the sophomore who I think has gotten a lot better this year.  He still goes through periods where he kind of loses it in the middle of the game, but he seems to get it back together and get himself under control.  I like the fact that he isn't afraid to take shots--I think he could be the additional offense that you speak of.

I thought they would be a year away, and in a lot of ways they are, but the rest of the league isn't as good as I thought it would be and Catholic is better than I thought, so that puts them in the mix this year.  I still think Merchant Marine is the team to be, because their defense is so good that they can survive bad shooting days.  Scranton can't.  Catholic could if they played good defense. 

I haven't seen Susquehanna--hoping to next weekend.  HUGE game obviously.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 02, 2009, 09:08:52 pm
Its a little early now but I believe that a Susquehanna vs. Catholic Landmark Conference Tournament Final is soon approaching. These two teams have the tools to beat everyone else in the league. They need to finish strong and go into the tourny playing well. Let's just hope they don't play each other in the 1st round.



Alright, I'm in. I'll go USMMA vs. Susquehanna in the Landmark Final.  Danzig is fired and the Royals bring in PJ Carlesimo in the off season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 03, 2009, 01:27:33 am
I know just looking at stats isn't enough to judge how good a team is, but since I do not have the benefit of being able to see a catholic game its all I have to go on. Looking at the stats Catholic is 1st in scoring O (avg pts a game) 1st in scoring D (fewest avg pts allowed a game) and first in rebound margin. Also top 4 in every team stat category if I recall right. The more and more stats I see the more I believe Catholic may not need that year that myself and a few others thought. Banzhaf is an animal. I don't know how he does it every weekend. Looking forward to next year when I will actually be able to take in a few games around the league in particular CUA.

IMAGINE if they still had Quinn and Parker! ... Also Jones at JC is starting to come on himself and McGrew is a starter at Salisbury

Prediction- Teams that will be in the playoffs need to watch out for Juniata to be a spoiler here at the end (MerchMar and SU still have to go to Hdon). could potentially affect the seeding
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 03, 2009, 10:00:34 am
Yes my screen name has something to do with the beltway---DUH! Just moved back to DC and hate the traffic. Last post said Juniata could be spoiler in playoffs. They won't make playoffs--I believe it is only top 4 teams?? Any of the top 4 teams could win the Landmark. Depends on all the intangibles like being on a run at the end of the year...home court advantage...injuries....DEFENSE.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 03, 2009, 10:13:44 am
NEPAFAN: Great idea! I think we might also be able to convince Latrell Sprewell to come on board as our strength & conditioning coach since it appears he's clearly out of options in the NBA & obviously he & P.J. have a very "close" relationship.
  I think we may be able to convince a few of the Trustees to take another look at the AD position as well if we're able to provide some good leads.
  By the way, I see Coach Knight seems to be itching to get back...who knows, with the right incentive package (Mannings ice cream for life, Scranton/WB Yankee tickets, Pens tickets, Old Forge pizza & Coney Island weiners), our beloved Royals may just be in the right place at the right time.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2009, 11:08:21 am
Yes my screen name has something to do with the beltway---DUH! Just moved back to DC and hate the traffic. Last post said Juniata could be spoiler in playoffs. They won't make playoffs--I believe it is only top 4 teams?? Any of the top 4 teams could win the Landmark. Depends on all the intangibles like being on a run at the end of the year...home court advantage...injuries....DEFENSE.


Prediction- Teams that will be in the playoffs need to watch out for Juniata to be a spoiler here at the end (MerchMar and SU still have to go to Hdon). could potentially affect the seeding

    He didn't say Juniata would be in the playoffs, but they might affect the seeding of teams in the playoffs if they would get upset in Huntingdon in the rest of the regular season.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 03, 2009, 11:41:59 am
Yes my screen name has something to do with the beltway---DUH! Just moved back to DC and hate the traffic.

I hate the traffic too, that's why I moved *out* of DC.  :)

Susquehanna's not caught up in their own hype this year (aka Josh Robinson), so I don't think anyone will sneak up on them in the playoffs like Juniata did last year. Right now I'll take a Susquehanna-Catholic final as well, though I reserve the right to change my mind. And I hope I didn't just jinx the Crusaders. But I like a Patch-Banzhof matchup in the final, because I think those are the two best players in the conference right now.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 03, 2009, 11:42:59 am
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up. A little question for the board...which is the worst team in the league Goucher or Drew?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 03, 2009, 12:16:11 pm
NEPAFAN: Great idea! I think we might also be able to convince Latrell Sprewell to come on board as our strength & conditioning coach since it appears he's clearly out of options in the NBA & obviously he & P.J. have a very "close" relationship.
  I think we may be able to convince a few of the Trustees to take another look at the AD position as well if we're able to provide some good leads.
  By the way, I see Coach Knight seems to be itching to get back...who knows, with the right incentive package (Mannings ice cream for life, Scranton/WB Yankee tickets, Pens tickets, Old Forge pizza & Coney Island weiners), our beloved Royals may just be in the right place at the right time.

Worst Team? Drew.....never seen anyone affiliated with Drew University post on this board or the old MAC Freedom board.


Okay, how about JP Andreko returning from Kings back to the Long Center with Bess volunteering as Associate Head Coach?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2009, 05:22:41 pm
Upcoming weekend

Saturday: top 4 play bottom 4

    Most likely to upset : Goucher over Susque

Sunday:  1st division contests        Scranton/MMA     Susque/CUA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 03, 2009, 05:54:30 pm
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up. A little question for the board...which is the worst team in the league Goucher or Drew?

Oh deftinitely Drew!  Goucher's gotten a lot better...frankly, I'm not really looking forward to Catholic playing them.  The game is at home, but Goucher's been playing--and playing well in that building--for years.

This weekend--well, Sunday-- will go a long way to figuring out who is playing where come playoff time. 

Statistically, anyway, the only category that Patch can even touch Banzhaf in is rebounds!  Jason's up to 21.0 ppg.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 04, 2009, 01:45:35 pm
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up. A little question for the board...which is the worst team in the league Goucher or Drew?

Drew

Grove- SU just doesn't get better as the season progesses typically imo. Looks like this year may be different with other guys such as Cosgrove, McDevitt, and Spencer stepping up as the season goes on. But lets be honest, JC didnt sneak up on them in the playoffs last year...they were fortunate to win the last game of the season before the playoffs then they just got embarassed 1st round.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 04, 2009, 03:15:21 pm
Upcoming weekend

Saturday: top 4 play bottom 4

    Most likely to upset : Goucher over Susque

Sunday:  1st division contests        Scranton/MMA     Susque/CUA

The Goucher vs. Susquehanna game may not be an upset. Last game Goucher was owned on the boards and inside by the Crusaders. I look to see a better game by Patch and the lack of depth inside of Goucher be exposed. Might be a night to take the kids to watch a few dunks as well, Patch has a tendency to throw down at Goucher.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 04, 2009, 03:16:09 pm
Well, now that there is consensus that Drew has been the overall worst team...they'll pull the upset special & provide the kiss of death to the Royals.
  This current group of Scranton seniors should remember only too well that fatefull afternoon in Madison, New Jersey on Jan. 28, 2007 when they were freshmen & that group of Royals blew an 18 point halftime lead & ended up losing to Drew 53/51. What made that loss even worse was that just 5 weeks earlier the Royals hammered the Rangers 72/38.
  The following year in the Royals swan song in the MAC, they handled Desales easily at home in Dec. However, in the last regular season game with Scranton needing a win to secure the # 1 seed they faced off with Desales in Center Valley. In what has become a rather disturbing trend, the Royals bolted to a 17 point halftime lead only to blow that one as well & ended up losing the game 75/70 as well as the top seed and any potential playoff momentum. Four days later these teams met again at the Long Center in a first round MAC Freedom contest & after falling behind by 15 early, the Royals made a great attempted comeback...only to lose 62/60.
  Bottom line...Scranton had better not even consider looking past Drew Sat. or their game on Sun. at MMA means nothing. The only question now is whether Scranton can prove they can finally win some big games on the road...they've certainly mastered the loss part recently.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 04, 2009, 03:31:51 pm
I think we all can come to agreement that Drew and Goucher are tied for worst teams in the league. Even though Goucher may have some talent, there lack of coaching skills and knowledge automatically sends them to the bottom of the board (trevino needs a set offense). Remember they did split there games this year, both beat the other on there home court.

Now about the Susquehanna vs. Goucher game this weekend. Last game the Crusaders outrebounded the Gophers 48-35 so the inside is open for them to dominate. Don't bet on an upset here. Again that was Micah Perry's 30-point game and since then he has been a non-factor so basically it was a breakout one time deal to score that many points, especially 7-10 from beyond the arc, no way that he will shoot 70% from 3-point land as Gouchers shooting the ball 30% from beyond the arc on the year. Won't cut it. Look for Patch to explode as there have been rumors floating around that Goucher has the key to stopping him. But then again Player of the Year Candidates always show what they got when it counts. Spencer Spencer will continue streaking.

Prediction Susquehanna- 77    Goucher-53
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 04, 2009, 03:36:37 pm
I would like to know what has gotten into this kid Cosgrove.....he has come from nowhere the past few games..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 04, 2009, 05:22:25 pm
Again that was Micah Perry's 30-point game and since then he has been a non-factor so basically it was a breakout one time deal to score that many points, especially 7-10 from beyond the arc, no way that he will shoot 70% from 3-point land as Gouchers shooting the ball 30% from beyond the arc on the year. Won't cut it. Look for Patch to explode as there have been rumors floating around that Goucher has the key to stopping him. But then again Player of the Year Candidates always show what they got when it counts. 

Perry wasn't on the Crusaders' radar the first time around. You're right, don't expect a similar performance this time around.

What is the key Goucher allegedly has to stopping Patch? Kryptonite?  :)

Hey NEPAFAN, I think (hope) it's a case of Cosgrove finally coming into his own. Crusader fans have seen the potential in him since last year, hopefully he's putting the pieces together. Man, that was sports-clichey.  ::)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 04, 2009, 11:37:39 pm
    We're going to fire up Dmac with all this discussion of the Goucher-Susque matchup. Not looking for Perry to go 7-10 3-ptrs but Boswell is capable of that. Also, not looking for the upset; just saying this is the most likely of the Saturday games to be one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 04, 2009, 11:45:24 pm
Hell... not going to fire me up at all! :)

By the way, no reason to have Perry on the Crusaders' radar this time around either. 31 points was like North Korea saying they would give up their nuclear weapon ambitions... a one time occurance. I am not convinced Perry has figured out how to be the best player on the court and for his team. That being said, there are several other guys starting to really come together for the Gophers who are usually in every game. So while not many people expect Susquehanna to get upset, anything is possible - especially on what is actually Senior Night at the SRC (no, Sunday's game will not be Senior Day!).

Finally, too bad Susquehanna and CUA have to play each other this weekend. They are both on the verge of completely eliminating themselves from getting a Pool B or Pool C bid. Just too many in-region losses. Speaking of which, many people are talking about MMA being a really good team. Just an initial thought - I am not that impressed. Though, to be honest, I am not that impressed with any team in this conference this season. CUA may be the one team that I have walked away from the game thinking - they are good or they showed me something.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2009, 10:08:32 am
D-Mac,
Maybe this actually proves your point, but I think some of these teams still have not adjusted to the back  to back weekend games.  Merchant Marine clearly played a lot better at Catholic than they did at Goucher the following day--to the point that when I saw the stat sheet, I figured you might question my assertion that they were the best team I had seen in the conference over the last two years.

Nevertheless---part of being a good team is winning even when you don't play really well, so I guess they should get credit for that.  But its proving to be very, very difficult to judge what is going to happen on these weekends--and its usually the second game. 
 
I have a hard time believing the team that wins this conference won't get a Pool B--even with a bunch of in-region losses.  Last year nobody expected this conference to gets two bids, but it seems that the selection committee is showing some respect to this conference and is perhaps showing some understanding that these teams are playing much harder "league" schedules than many of the Pool B candidates simply because they are in a competitive league structure with arguably only one really lousy team.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 10:55:45 am
D-Mac,
Maybe this actually proves your point, but I think some of these teams still have not adjusted to the back  to back weekend games.  Merchant Marine clearly played a lot better at Catholic than they did at Goucher the following day--to the point that when I saw the stat sheet, I figured you might question my assertion that they were the best team I had seen in the conference over the last two years.

Nevertheless---part of being a good team is winning even when you don't play really well, so I guess they should get credit for that.  But its proving to be very, very difficult to judge what is going to happen on these weekends--and its usually the second game. 
 
I have a hard time believing the team that wins this conference won't get a Pool B--even with a bunch of in-region losses.  Last year nobody expected this conference to gets two bids, but it seems that the selection committee is showing some respect to this conference and is perhaps showing some understanding that these teams are playing much harder "league" schedules than many of the Pool B candidates simply because they are in a competitive league structure with arguably only one really lousy team.
The "harder 'league' schedules" should be reflected in OWP/OOWP.

Other differences in 2009 versus 2008 are:

-- that the weaker NATHC is now Pool A, and took that 4th bid with them.  The Landmark might have the 4th best Pool B this year.

--the Landmark Conference "busted" in the post-season play in 2008.

Post 1258 and following (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1258)

Elms is having another "blow-out" season.  Elms, as a Pool A bid last year, blew out Scranton.  Elms will get a Pool B this year in its new conference.

The Moravian loss (hosting John Jay) was ugly in 2008.

Respectfully, as an outsider looking at this conference, I wonder if the Landmark is not in a prolonged drought.

Northwestern MN will have to prove itself if it gets a Pool B bid, but the B's look prone to being "bumbly", this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 05, 2009, 11:13:39 am
    We're going to fire up Dmac with all this discussion of the Goucher-Susque matchup. Not looking for Perry to go 7-10 3-ptrs but Boswell is capable of that. Also, not looking for the upset; just saying this is the most likely of the Saturday games to be one.


Dmac-please don't get all emotional at Gouchers senior night as we know you love Hakim, because he was suppose to be the next Garrett Smith.  :o

Perry and Boswell are a pair of descent shooters but I see Susquehanna making the adjustments to stop Perry even if he gets hot and to control Boswell if necessary, as he has a tendency to go cold. Spenser Spencer, THE BOY NAMED TWICE, is a freshman who can put a hurting on Goucher. It looks to me that this is the most popular game of the weekend.

To answer the question about the Patch stopper rumor, Goucher Gophers see him as the Crusaders most dangerous threat so they put added attention to details about him on the scouting report which fires up players to stop him because they feel as if he is the best player in the league and they have something to prove. Basically what it will end up to is;pay too much attention to Patch and watch others go off like Cosgrove, Spencer and Company.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2009, 11:23:51 am
D-Mac,
Maybe this actually proves your point, but I think some of these teams still have not adjusted to the back  to back weekend games.  Merchant Marine clearly played a lot better at Catholic than they did at Goucher the following day--to the point that when I saw the stat sheet, I figured you might question my assertion that they were the best team I had seen in the conference over the last two years.

Nevertheless---part of being a good team is winning even when you don't play really well, so I guess they should get credit for that.  But its proving to be very, very difficult to judge what is going to happen on these weekends--and its usually the second game. 
 
I have a hard time believing the team that wins this conference won't get a Pool B--even with a bunch of in-region losses.  Last year nobody expected this conference to gets two bids, but it seems that the selection committee is showing some respect to this conference and is perhaps showing some understanding that these teams are playing much harder "league" schedules than many of the Pool B candidates simply because they are in a competitive league structure with arguably only one really lousy team.

Other differences in 2009 versus 2008 are:

--the Landmark Conference "busted" in the post-season play in 2008.

Elms is having another "blow-out" season.  Elms, as a Pool A bid last year, blew out Scranton.  Elms will get a Pool B this year in its new conference.

The Moravian loss (hosting John Jay) was ugly in 2008.

Respectfully, as an outsider looking at this conference, I wonder if the Landmark is not in a prolonged drought.



How does 2008 post season performance affect who is selected in 2009?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 05, 2009, 11:31:17 am
Spenser Spencer, THE BOY NAMED TWICE, is a freshman who can put a hurting on Goucher. It looks to me that this is the most popular game of the weekend.

To answer the question about the Patch stopper rumor, Goucher Gophers see him as the Crusaders most dangerous threat so they put added attention to details about him on the scouting report which fires up players to stop him because they feel as if he is the best player in the league and they have something to prove. Basically what it will end up to is;pay too much attention to Patch and watch others go off like Cosgrove, Spencer and Company.

Watch out for Bryan Majors too... he's sneaky. And Matt McDevitt... his name doesn't come up a lot, but he is the third-leading scorer, second-best rebounder, and will steal a few from ya too.

Basically, the Crusaders don't ride one or two stars anymore. You shut one guy down, someone else steps up. They've had random guys have big games throughout the season (Jason Dawson, Brian Kerwin are two that come to mind).

BTW, what's even better about Spenser Spencer is that his middle name is Casanova.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 11:40:15 am
Thanks for the response NEPAFan.

I think that the long-term course of the Landmark has been that weak.

I was willing to concede a conference champion getting a Pool B last year.

Post 1334 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=2870.1320)

This year's team should be judged by this year's criteria, but we fans have a hard time changing our perceptions of our favorite teams and conferences.

As I read these posts, I get the impression that these teams are perceived to be better than they currently are.

The regional nature of D3 does preclude assessment of the relative quality until deep into the playoffs.

Maryville TN (and I am no partisan for Maryville) seems to be putting together a good team, albeit too late in the season.  If Maryville were in a Pool A conference with a tourney, I would be wary of them.  They may be the 2nd or 3rd best Pool B at the end of the season.

That being said, the Pool B process looks at the entire season.  We can see how the B's perform again this year.  (They have not gained the "Bumblin B" moniker for nothing.)

I think that the Landmark will get one Pool B bid.  As for the quality of the best 3-4 teams, they may actually be #40-#90.  Unfortunately, that is just below the cut-off for a 60 team bracket.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 05, 2009, 11:40:54 am
I think the Landmark has a chance to get 2 teams in the dance depending upon who wins the playoffs. I think the winner is in hands down and if the runner-up has a better or equal record then maybe that team too. It also could depend on the scoring margin of the championship game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 05, 2009, 12:05:39 pm
also--if either Catholic or Susquehanna win out the season they would have 22 wins. That will also get them ranked in the top 20.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 05, 2009, 01:05:05 pm
BTW, what's even better about Spenser Spencer is that his middle name is Casanova.  :)

That is hilarious, if there was an All-conference team for best name he would be a lock. But anyone got any predications on the score for the Goucher-Susquehanna game?

Majors is one of the best point guards in the league and can really dictate the pace of the game and get players involved. McDevitt as well can have breakout games. To be honest though with the lack of a guy inside for Goucher, Cosgrove and Patch should have big games. Goucher wouldn't be bad and probably could be in the top 4 in the league if it wasn't for there coaching style. Worst in the league. 

Susquehanna and Catholic both have a good chance at making it to the tournament. If they both finish with 20 wins and good runs in the playoff they could have an impressive resume.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 05, 2009, 01:15:41 pm
BTW, what's even better about Spenser Spencer is that his middle name is Casanova.  :)

That is hilarious, if there was an All-conference team for best name he would be a lock. But anyone got any predications on the score for the Goucher-Susquehanna game?

Majors is one of the best point guards in the league and can really dictate the pace of the game and get players involved. McDevitt as well can have breakout games. To be honest though with the lack of a guy inside for Goucher, Cosgrove and Patch should have big games. Goucher wouldn't be bad and probably could be in the top 4 in the league if it wasn't for there coaching style. Worst in the league. 

Susquehanna and Catholic both have a good chance at making it to the tournament. If they both finish with 20 wins and good runs in the playoff they could have an impressive resume.


What is with all the hate for the Goucher coaching staff?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 05, 2009, 02:23:49 pm
Well for one thing--its great to see 4 posts or so since my last one not that long ago!  The board is waking up a little bit.

Couple of things--first on Goucher's coaching---look, I'm glad somebody said it.  I want to be polite here, but...I think that program could use some fresh blood.  And I don't think their lack of success can be totally blamed on recruiting and lack of talent, either---they have gotten some very good players over the years.  But I question discipline, commitment, team unity, etc.  That's not always the fault of the coaching staff, but when it keeps happening...

Ralph--interesting posts and I appreciate your thoughts.  I think you have a point, but perhaps take it a little far.  How can a conference in its second year of existence be in a "rut?"  That's an overstatement, isn't it?  Yes, a few of the individual institutions that have been traditionally strong are down a little bit, but year to year that is going to happen.  2 years ago Catholic hosted in the postseason and won a game before running into a ridiculously hot Lincoln team that would take VWU to like triple overtime or something.  But they were cleary competitive and better than a lot of tournament teams.  Obviously they had a down year last year--really their first in over a decade, so I think they're entitled.  The future is pretty bright for the program though--they are a good team this year, and I think they're going to be REALLY good next year.  Although I'm a Catholic partisan I think the others that have seen them wouldn't disagree.

I see Scranton as always competitive.  Depth, size, skill---all the ingredients are there.  I wouldn't discount them.  Merchant Marine is actually a fairly young team too and they're getting good contributions from underclassmen. I could go right down the line, actually...I don't think too many of these teams are going to fall apart over the next couple of years.  So--I guess I don't really get the pessimism for Landmark. 

Now, I'm not saying that's going to translate into more than one bid THIS year...but I think we are all realists as to the quality of these teams.  If nothing else, the league  is proving to be quite competitive.  Maybe the hurts the teams at the top.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 05, 2009, 02:38:00 pm
Guys, I realize I have one foot off the Royal bandwagon already & jumping ship would be pretty easy to rationalize given what they've accomplished on the nationial scene (nothing) in the last 5 years...however, it may be just a little premature to write the Royals off just yet.
  Should they sweep this weekend, my hunch is they will then run the table at home vs. Catholic, Goucher & Moravian. In fact, I can't remember the last game they played at the Long Center when the students were there so the old house may be rocking.
  What tends to cast doubt on that scenario is Scranton's recent history of 1.) Not winning huge games on the road by blowing big leads and 2.) Not showing up for big games at home until the second half & the damage has been done.
  History also teaches us that 1.) Susquehanna tends to fall from the face of the earth around this time every year and 2.) regardless how much potential talent Catholic has right now...they are still young & will probably have to sweep at Scranton & Moravian & that is no small task for anyone, especially a pretty young group of kids. All in all...looks like a great stretch run.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 05, 2009, 04:10:01 pm
Boo, who karma-sniped?  :'(
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2009, 06:48:11 pm
also--if either Catholic or Susquehanna win out the season they would have 22 wins. That will also get them ranked in the top 20.
Not sure I would jump to put either of these teams in my Top 20. They are good, but from the basketball I have seen so far this season, the Landmark was a better conference last season.

I know many people want to see two teams from the Landmark make the tourney, but I have to agree with Ralph, I just don't see it happening. That is going to require winning out for the most part by more than one team and I don't see the consistency from any team to see more than one making it.

Also, remember one important thing: last year the conference got two bids while there were four Pool B alocations available. This season, it is down to three and with Elms pretty much in control of a Pool B bid, that leaves two bids for the rest of the country. I highly doubt the conference gets both of those bids. And if they don't, the extra team gets placed into Pool C and I don't like their chances with the Midwest, West, Great Lakes, and South region teams also in that fray. And don't forget how upsets in conference tournaments will only add to the challenge.

TPM - I am sure I can handle senior night. This will be my 14th and it has been awhile since I was emotional! :) There was last year's... never mind! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 07:11:44 pm
Well for one thing--its great to see 4 posts or so since my last one not that long ago!  The board is waking up a little bit.

Couple of things--first on Goucher's coaching---look, I'm glad somebody said it.  I want to be polite here, but...I think that program could use some fresh blood.  And I don't think their lack of success can be totally blamed on recruiting and lack of talent, either---they have gotten some very good players over the years.  But I question discipline, commitment, team unity, etc.  That's not always the fault of the coaching staff, but when it keeps happening...

Ralph--interesting posts and I appreciate your thoughts.  I think you have a point, but perhaps take it a little far.  How can a conference in its second year of existence be in a "rut?"  That's an overstatement, isn't it?  Yes, a few of the individual institutions that have been traditionally strong are down a little bit, but year to year that is going to happen.  2 years ago Catholic hosted in the postseason and won a game before running into a ridiculously hot Lincoln team that would take VWU to like triple overtime or something.  But they were cleary competitive and better than a lot of tournament teams.  Obviously they had a down year last year--really their first in over a decade, so I think they're entitled.  The future is pretty bright for the program though--they are a good team this year, and I think they're going to be REALLY good next year.  Although I'm a Catholic partisan I think the others that have seen them wouldn't disagree.

I see Scranton as always competitive.  Depth, size, skill---all the ingredients are there.  I wouldn't discount them.  Merchant Marine is actually a fairly young team too and they're getting good contributions from underclassmen. I could go right down the line, actually...I don't think too many of these teams are going to fall apart over the next couple of years.  So--I guess I don't really get the pessimism for Landmark. 

Now, I'm not saying that's going to translate into more than one bid THIS year...but I think we are all realists as to the quality of these teams.  If nothing else, the league  is proving to be quite competitive.  Maybe the hurts the teams at the top.
Thanks, Matt.

I forgot about the Lincoln-Catholic game.  Lincoln was a real power 2 years ago.

I appreciate your assessment of the Landmark.  As I look at the conference, the schools with the best programs historically do seem to be Catholic and Scranton.

Can those two schools carry the banner for the conference?  Will Susquehanna are any of the others have more success in this conference?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 05, 2009, 11:12:41 pm
[quote
Thanks, Matt.

I forgot about the Lincoln-Catholic game.  Lincoln was a real power 2 years ago.

I appreciate your assessment of the Landmark.  As I look at the conference, the schools with the best programs historically do seem to be Catholic and Scranton.

Can those two schools carry the banner for the conference?  Will Susquehanna are any of the others have more success in this conference?
[/quote]

Ralph,
   Don't overlook MMA; they have 6 NCAA trips in the last 12 years.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 06, 2009, 11:11:27 am
Merchant Marine Academy and Susquehanna are my two picks for the bids. Catholic has a chance but I believe they will get a devastating loss as a result of Goucher. The only success they seem to have is playing at Catholic over the past couple years.

MMA has a handful of young talent. With Izzo Samuel and Hueber being young they can make some noise and be at the top of the league over the next few years. Pat Grace a local Baltimoreohun from Cardinal Gibbons can make it rain, how come Goucher didn't jump on this recruit to bring along with Joel Smith another Gibbons product? Could have been a solid, local talent is always strong but seems to pick other programs...Salisbury, York other CAC teams.

Looks as if the board is getting a little more looks and comments, Good to see. Hopefully the criticism isn't frowned upon as it is just objective points of view expressed on a blog. What else do you expect on a blog, look what Ravens fans write about the Steelers!  >:( Stupid Holmes, go sell drugs.

Looking forward to seeing the matchup Live Susquehanna vs. Goucher
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 06, 2009, 01:28:46 pm
I am looking forward to the match up Sunday afternoon at Kings Point, it will be interesting to see if any of Scranton's 5 seniors can step it up. They didn't steal a road win in Selingsgrove, but if they can do so at Kings Point I think they will be in very good shape.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 07, 2009, 09:19:22 pm
JC over CUA
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 07, 2009, 10:16:17 pm
As my 2 year old son says...."uh oh."

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2009, 10:25:05 pm
Matt - I agree with your son... CUA's loss is a BIG "uh oh." Especially wth a very tough Susquehanna team coming to town tomorrow afternoon!

I said earlier that I had only been impressed with one team in the conference (CUA) when I saw them... make it two. Susquehanna came out on fire tonight and shot .678 in the first half and never looked back. Goucher shot 31% in the same half but were already looking desperate before the ten minute mark of the first half. Certainly disappointing if you are a Gopher fan because they never had a chance!

Susquehanna's Joel Patch is head-and-shoulders my favorite for Player of the Year. This is a team that is certainly clicking on all cylinders, especially Patch, and they are deep off the bench. Now, maybe I shouldn't be assessing things based on a game against Goucher, but since the Gophers have been in a lot of games (just not winning them) and show success and find another team's weakness... the simple fact they were dominated on all aspects of tonight's game gives me enough information to say Susquehanna is in the driver's seat.

By the way, to show you how much Goucher struggled, especially in the first half, Trevino called three time outs in the first 20 minutes. For anyone who knows Goucher basketball, that is telling you something!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 07, 2009, 10:49:41 pm
So as for POY candidates we all agree I assume on Patch and Banzhaf. Anyone else? I would still say Samuels deserves consideration but maybe thats only because I chose him before the season started.

Side Note- Recruiting at Goucher is an absolute joke.

Innerloop-
I think the Landmark has a chance to get 2 teams in the dance depending upon who wins the playoffs. I think the winner is in hands down and if the runner-up has a better or equal record then maybe that team too. It also could depend on the scoring margin of the championship game.


or the third place team instead of the conference runner up because that makes sense
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2009, 02:03:39 pm
Scranton plays an ok game at Drew yesterday...pretty typical stuff. The Royals had some good looks & hit some big shots from 3 point land & Luke Hawk & Paul Biagioli pretty much had their way when slashing inside to the basket. A very physical game & the refs let it go...I wonder just how much that may have worn down the Royals for today's battle on the Island?
  Primary area to worry about as it is in every game...will the Royals play a serious defense or just go through the motions. Drew had to score 3/4 of their points in the first half from either layups or 5' jumpers well inside the lane. For the most part, Scranton did very little to pressure the ball downcourt & was content to let the Rangers run a very patient offense with crisp passes, screens & cuts that led to far too many easy buckets.
  Today is the test...can the Royals finally win a Big game on the road? Are they serious about winning or very easily pleased? This game has some major ramifications & if Scranton has any plans for the NCAA's...they'd do themselves a huge favor if they realized that defense is a fairly important aspect of the game & played it for once.
  The mind says go with MMA & the heart wants to believe Scranton can finally win a big one on the road & give the kids something to build upon for the last 3 games all at home. In a good one...Scranton:63/MMA:60.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2009, 05:55:15 pm
This just in from the voice of the Royals...Scranton crushes MMA by about 20 & finally gets the big win on the road they so desperately needed. The team held MMA to 63 pts. & seemed as if there was an actual passion for playing D today.
  Great win...now if Catholic can help out a little by knocking off Susquehanna, the Royals can control their own destiny from this point forward. Should the Royals be able to bottle this effort on both ends of the floor from here on out...they'll be in very good shape. Well done!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 08, 2009, 06:08:29 pm
The Royals get the break they needed...Catholic knocks off Susquehanna by a score of 83/78. Looks like right now there is a 3 way tie for first with Scranton, MMA & Susq. The Royals have Catholic at home next Sat. evening while MMA heads to the Grove. Could be heading for a photo finish.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 08, 2009, 06:22:09 pm
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 08, 2009, 06:24:35 pm
Hey guys, hope your weekend was good! First off Goucher needs a change. I'm tired of supporting a team that is terrible. Susquehanna dominated them and Juniata came in and did what they needed to in the second half. I got more to say tommorow that will state distinct and certain facts and reasons why TREVINO needs to go. Its a catastrophe at the Goucher Mens Basketball program and I'm sorry but I hope Leonard is reading this but YOU GOTTA GO, your time is up.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 08, 2009, 06:54:41 pm
Matt - I agree with your son... CUA's loss is a BIG "uh oh." Especially wth a very tough Susquehanna team coming to town tomorrow afternoon!

I said earlier that I had only been impressed with one team in the conference (CUA) when I saw them... make it two. Susquehanna came out on fire tonight and shot .678 in the first half and never looked back. Goucher shot 31% in the same half but were already looking desperate before the ten minute mark of the first half. Certainly disappointing if you are a Gopher fan because they never had a chance!

Susquehanna's Joel Patch is head-and-shoulders my favorite for Player of the Year. This is a team that is certainly clicking on all cylinders, especially Patch, and they are deep off the bench. Now, maybe I shouldn't be assessing things based on a game against Goucher, but since the Gophers have been in a lot of games (just not winning them) and show success and find another team's weakness... the simple fact they were dominated on all aspects of tonight's game gives me enough information to say Susquehanna is in the driver's seat.

By the way, to show you how much Goucher struggled, especially in the first half, Trevino called three time outs in the first 20 minutes. For anyone who knows Goucher basketball, that is telling you something!


Hahaha...I almost think you are trying to get me riled up. 

From today's Catholic-Susquehanna stat sheet:

Joel Patch  18 points 2 rebounds
Jason Banzhaf 26 points 13 rebounds

The last time they played:
Joel Patch 13 points, 10 rebounds
Jason Banzhaf 23 points, 7 rebounds

On the season, league games only, NOT including today:

Joel Patch 17.1 ppg, .549 fg pct, 10.8 rpg
Jason Banzhaf 23.1 ppg, .642 fg pct, 8.6 rpg

C'mon. Patch is a pretty clear #2.  It isn't like there is a giant disparity in the quality of the teams--they split the season series and Catholic's just a game behind them.  Patch is not the offensive player that Jason is.  He's a little bit better rebounder, yes, but...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2009, 08:01:28 pm
Matt - not trying to upset you, just stating my opinion. I have seen Banzhaf and Patch play and I think Patch is the better player - besides on the black and white statistical line. Patch could have scored a TON more against Goucher, except he barely played in the second half (thus why some stats are hard to gauge everything by).

Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2009, 08:46:25 pm
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Standings                                               RS

MMA                8 - 3                                Scranton         4 - 0
Susque            8 - 3                                 Susque          3 - 0
Scranton           8 - 3                                MMA              3 - 1
Catholic           7 - 4                                Catholic          3 - 2
Moravian          4 - 7                                Juniata           3 - 3
Juniata            4 - 7                                Moravian         1 - 2
Goucher           3 - 8                                Goucher          1 - 5
Drew               2 - 9                                Drew               0 - 5

 MMA,Sus, Scr clinch playoff spots; CUA magic # is 1 for final spot.
 MMA/CUA 1 home game, Sus 2, Scr 3
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 01:12:28 am
Matt - not trying to upset you, just stating my opinion. I have seen Banzhaf and Patch play and I think Patch is the better player - besides on the black and white statistical line. Patch could have scored a TON more against Goucher, except he barely played in the second half (thus why some stats are hard to gauge everything by).

Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.

I know you aren't, I was kidding around.

But with respect--neither of us are really in a position to judge based on what we've seen with our own eyes.   You've seen Patch and Banzhaf play once.  Perhaps in the one game you saw him, Patch was better than Banzhaf--I don't know--but you can't discount an entire season's worth of statistics which are cleary pointing one way in favor of what you might have seen in one particular game.  Of course, you are entitled to your opinion! 

I have confidence that the coaches who have seen each team twice and watched all the tape--will get this one right.  Which won't stop me from reminding people of the facts!

I'd rather  be worrying about Catholic in the playoffs though.  Anything can still happen.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2009, 08:52:35 am
Juniata can be a spoiler and I am looking forward to see how they can possibly mix things up.

Good call, TPM.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 09, 2009, 09:29:27 am
Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.

And that's why it's "Player of the Year" and not "Highest Stats of the Year."  :)

(Matt, not trying to rile you up either, and lord knows I'm not qualified to judge, just like seeing some love for my SU boy.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 09, 2009, 09:53:32 am
I HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE SUNDAY GAME. BANZHAF HAS A REAL KNACK OF KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE HE IS 6 FEET FROM THE BASKET. THE LEFT HANDED OFF GUARD DID A NICE JOB. REED TOOK SOME BAD SHOTS BUT SEEMS LIKE A TOUGH KID. THE DIXON KID PLAYED OUT OF CONTROL. THE REDHEAD PLAYED WELL IN THE FIRST HALF. 23 LOOKS LIKE A GOOD SHOOTER BUT COULDN'T GET OPEN. 22 MAKES THE TEAM CLICK. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY COACHES ON A CATHOLIC BENCH BEFORE. THEY MUST VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME. THE SPENCER SPENCER KID IS THE REAL DEAL. THERE IS MY 2 BITS.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 10:40:48 am
Banzhaf is a good player, but I think Patch does more for the guys around him and is better off the ball then Banzhaf. Just my opinion - and based on more than just stats.

And that's why it's "Player of the Year" and not "Highest Stats of the Year."  :)

(Matt, not trying to rile you up either, and lord knows I'm not qualified to judge, just like seeing some love for my SU boy.)

I don't blame you!  He deserves some love.

I know we have had this debate before, but I would argue that it is tougher being the "the guy" that every team knows they have to stop every single night.  From the moment the games start, teams double Jason--I love the other guys on the team but let's face it, right now there are not a ton of other scoring options.  So to do what he does every night--with the opposing team all over him--to me, anyway, makes it all the more impressive.

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2009, 05:05:08 pm
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!

Nepa,
   What was the MMA's broadcasters' impression of the Royals? While some here have said the Royals couldn't offset a poor shooting game with their defense, this may be an example of the flip side-that they win a game with very good shooting in spite of their defense.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 09, 2009, 05:54:53 pm
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!

Nepa,
   What was the MMA's broadcasters' impression of the Royals? While some here have said the Royals couldn't offset a poor shooting game with their defense, this may be an example of the flip side-that they win a game with very good shooting in spite of their defense.

Ronk,

No broadcasters, just video. Interesting concept, not sure if I would prefer it over just audio. Everytime there was a timeout they just video taped the scoreboard. Take aways from video and no audio was Luke Hawk's ability to take the ball to the hoop with success, if Scranton has an open three anyone on the team is confident to take the shot, an impressive flurry where Scranton took the commanding lead in the 2nd Half (everything was going in) and a nice contigent of Royal fans behind the Scranton bench. As I said before , I saw Danzig get T'd up mid way into the 1st half.

How do the Royals prepare for Player of the Year Banzhaf on Saturday Night?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2009, 06:49:45 pm
How do the Royals prepare for Player of the Year Banzhaf on Saturday Night?
Does anyone, especially living closer to Washington, D.C., have a pin? I think we may need to deflate an ever enlarging head of my good friend Matt!!! :)

NEPAFAN - didn't your team already play the Player of the Year? Patch! :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 09, 2009, 07:22:09 pm
It has been 4 consecutive losing seasons for Leonard Trevino’s Goucher Gophers. When will the bleeding stop in Towson, MD. It isn’t the lack of talent as one blogger mentioned that the recruiting at Goucher is a joke. I wouldn’t say it’s an absolute joke, but there are certain reasons to lead people to believe that it is.  This is at the fault of Trevino’s inability to develop and maintain talented players that have the necessary skills to be a productive .500 or better ballclub. A good coach can take a team that is lacking talent and make them overachieve; a great coach can take loads of talent and concentrate on the strengths of the individual players to come together to work in his favor to produce a winning team. Trevino has failed miserably over the past 4 years and as our Country has elected for change, I believe that the Goucher Gophers should do the same. Ask him to resign or fire him for his lack of success. Change is inevitable and in this instance it is necessary if the Goucher Men’s Basketball program wants to win again. They need a change for the better of the program and its supporters. I know for a fact I wouldn’t tolerate 4 straight losing seasons from any coach no matter how many years he has put in. It’s not just losing seasons but struggling to get to 6 or 7 wins a year and remaining at the bottom of the standings, unacceptable. Trevino has been terrible over the past 4 seasons and it’s unfortunate that talented players have had miserable losing seasons at the feet of his incompetent coaching ability and strategies. HE HAS TO GO, VOTE FOR CHANGE.


I’m still sticking with Joel Patch as player of the year. I saw him this weekend dominate. He had 23 points at one point while the entire Goucher team had a total of 21. Pretty convincing performance I would say when you could have beaten a team by yourself if you would have played all 40 minutes. He’s a lock sorry Banzhaf.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2009, 08:13:38 pm
How about Scranton's 27 for 28 effort at the line? Believe that Danzig got T'd up halfway through the first half, his team responded and away they went in the second half.

I watched on USMMA feed rather than listening to "the voice of the Royals". Next weekend should be very interesting indeed , to bad we have to wait a whole week!!

Nepa,
   What was the MMA's broadcasters' impression of the Royals? While some here have said the Royals couldn't offset a poor shooting game with their defense, this may be an example of the flip side-that they win a game with very good shooting in spite of their defense.

Ronk,

No broadcaster's, just video. Interesting concept, not sure if I would prefer it over just audio. Everytime there was a timeout they just video taped the scoreboard. Take aways from video and no audio was Luke Hawk's ability to take the ball to the hoop with success, if Scranton has an open three anyone on the team is confident to take the shot, an impressive flurry where Scranton took the commanding lead in the 2nd Half (everything was going in) and a nice contigent of Royal fans behind the Scranton bench. As I said before , I saw Danzig get T'd up mid way into the 1st half.

How do the Royals prepare for Player of the Year Banzhaf on Saturday Night?

   That's the way Juniata and Muhlenberg do their videocasts. Too bad D3hoops didn't mention that the video was available on their home page.
   As for Banzhaf, we'll see if 1 more bigger body(Paul Hawk) being available or a box-and-one will make a difference. You don't want the star to beat you. Make one of the lesser players try and beat you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2009, 08:28:34 pm
ronk - D3hoops.com needs to be made aware by SIDs (or whoever is updating information for those schools) that those games are being broadcast on video. We certainly do our best to look around for what might be video/audio/live stat games, but there needs to be a responsibility on the athletic programs to promote themselves. You and everyone else can't expect Pat, Gordon, and myself (along with some others) to find every video/audio/live stats games in the country when at least 400 or so games are being played on a Saturday. It is also even more difficult when some organizations are "experimenting" with the idea of broadcasting and are either not consistent or gave up too easily (i.e. Goucher - my alma mater). And it is tough when some schools websites aren't even being updated with this kind of information at times.

I suggest that if Juniata and Muhlenberg are serious or want to point out to their fans that there is live video and such... then take it upon themselves to contact D3hoops.com or add the link to the site themselves. I know the SIDs have access to update their schedules, since they do put their schedules in and post final scores and sometimes mid-game updates. Thus, links for additional resources like video, audio, and live stats can be added well for games that day or any game on their schedule!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2009, 09:33:41 pm
ronk - D3hoops.com needs to be made aware by SIDs (or whoever is updating information for those schools) that those games are being broadcast on video. We certainly do our best to look around for what might be video/audio/live stat games, but there needs to be a responsibility on the athletic programs to promote themselves. You and everyone else can't expect Pat, Gordon, and myself (along with some others) to find every video/audio/live stats games in the country when at least 400 or so games are being played on a Saturday. It is also even more difficult when some organizations are "experimenting" with the idea of broadcasting and are either not consistent or gave up too easily (i.e. Goucher - my alma mater). And it is tough when some schools websites aren't even being updated with this kind of information at times.

I suggest that if Juniata and Muhlenberg are serious or want to point out to their fans that there is live video and such... then take it upon themselves to contact D3hoops.com or add the link to the site themselves. I know the SIDs have access to update their schedules, since they do put their schedules in and post final scores and sometimes mid-game updates. Thus, links for additional resources like video, audio, and live stats can be added well for games that day or any game on their schedule!

Dmac,
    Sounds good to me; I appreciate that D3hoops does what it can along these lines.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2009, 11:01:57 pm
This is timely:

Jason Banzhaf Earns 4th Player of the Week Award, 3rd in Last 4 Weeks

February 9, 2009

WASHINGTON-- Jason Banzhaf (Livingston, N.J./Seton Hall Prep) earned his fourth Landmark Conference men's basketball Player of the Week award this week after shooting 70 percent from the field and 66.7 percent from three-point range.

Banzhaf earns the honor for the second-straight week and for the third time in four weeks, after a pair of stellar performances. In Sunday's win over Susquehanna he poured in 26 points while grabbing 12 rebounds. This came after a 25-point, 13-rebound effort in a loss to Juniata.  He averaged 25.5 points and 12.5 rebounds for the week.

______
Jason went for 22 and 8 against Scranton last time.  A lot of that was at the line--so I'm sure Scranton will try hard to deny the ball inside to him.  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

That's a tough place to play and an even tougher place to win. 

As for POY--the difference is that Susquehanna has another major scoring option in Spenser Squared.  Catholic doesn't.  It cuts both ways, because it may take away some points from Patch, but its also a lot easier to do damage when teams are worrying about somebody else.   When teams play the Cardinals, its stop Jason--period. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2009, 08:43:13 am

That's a tough place to play and an even tougher place to win. 



Hopefully some students actually show up for the game...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 10, 2009, 09:26:03 am
Jason went for 22 and 8 against Scranton last time.  A lot of that was at the line--so I'm sure Scranton will try hard to deny the ball inside to him.  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

As for POY--the difference is that Susquehanna has another major scoring option in Spenser Squared.  Catholic doesn't.  It cuts both ways, because it may take away some points from Patch, but its also a lot easier to do damage when teams are worrying about somebody else.   When teams play the Cardinals, its stop Jason--period. 

Not in any particular order, but all those MVP awards Michael Jordan won was only because he had Scottie Pippen scoring alongside of him?

As for Banzhaf being the best player ever to wear a Catholic uniform.....never mind. You know you're the King of useless posts.
INCREDIBLE!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 10, 2009, 11:08:29 am
CC,

Where have you been - the Super Bowl? 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 10, 2009, 11:12:52 am
CC,

Where have you been - the Super Bowl? 

Yeah right, I don't make your salary. ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 10, 2009, 11:28:13 am
This is a huge weekend for the Player of the Year Race. If Banzhaf can go to Scranton and post a big game and get a W then he may move slightly ahead of Patch for the moment. My prediction is that Scranton will Win the game, Cathlic will then go to Moravian and beat them to split the weekend. Banzhaf I believe will struggle at Scranton as it is a tough place to play so don't expect big numbers from him that night. If he was on my fantasy team I would bench him that night because after a huge weekend Scranton will pay particular close attention to him at all times.

Patch on the other hand has 2 home games. MMA is big and if he has a big night against them he could go back to back games producing solid numbers, the 2nd game is against Drew and since Goucher and Drew are the two worst teams in the conference as we came to agreement  :D. I expect the same numbers against Drew as Patch produced against the Gophers.

Scranton over Catholic; Scranton over Goucher
Catholic over Moravian; Moravian over Goucher
Susquehanna over MMA; Susquehanna crushing Drew
Juniata over MMA; Juniata over Drew
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2009, 11:55:33 am


Give me your top 5 then, coldcase.  Obviously I meant through his sophomore year.  I watched Morley, Hilleary, Maloney--none of them were this polished until they were upperclassmen.  There were obviously several guys long before that that you'd have to consider. 

All this POY talk is great, but we should be focused more on the games at this point since things are still in flux.  If there was fantasy basketball Landmark Conference, though, I'd never bench Banzhaf.   For one thing, I wouldn't have anybody even close to him on my bench!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 10, 2009, 12:04:12 pm
tpm, Sunday (Drew) is also Susquehanna's Senior Day, so hopefully Patch has some extra oomph to shine in his home *regular season* finale.

Matt, you're right, the race is too tight to be worrying about POY talk - although I am enjoying that discussion. There's a three-way tie for first right now and home-court advantage is going to be huge for the playoffs, I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2009, 12:06:45 pm
   That's the way Juniata and Muhlenberg do their videocasts. Too bad D3hoops didn't mention that the video was available on their home page.

Landmark schools, since their league is a PrestoSports member, especially should be loading all audio, video and live stats links into the Presto system. That puts them on the conference's Web site as well as ours.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2009, 01:22:57 pm


Give me your top 5 then, coldcase.  Obviously I meant through his sophomore year.  I watched Morley, Hilleary, Maloney--none of them were this polished until they were upperclassmen.  There were obviously several guys long before that that you'd have to consider. 

All this POY talk is great, but we should be focused more on the games at this point since things are still in flux.  If there was fantasy basketball Landmark Conference, though, I'd never bench Banzhaf.   For one thing, I wouldn't have anybody even close to him on my bench!
Matt - I would argue that Dwyer was better now than Banzhaf (though, I think Dwyer didn't continue to get better through his senior year - more like just plateaued out) and I think Hilleary might have been better now. The difference is, Banzhaf HAS to produce now since they don't have a lot of other weapons. The other three had other options around them so they didn't have to shoulder the entire load. Sure, Banzhaf has certainly done well with that load, but to say he was better then teams that didn't need a sophomore to step-up might be a stretch of a comparison.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 10, 2009, 03:26:00 pm

Give me your top 5 then, coldcase.  Obviously I meant through his sophomore year.  I watched Morley, Hilleary, Maloney--none of them were this polished until they were upperclassmen.  There were obviously several guys long before that that you'd have to consider. 

All this POY talk is great, but we should be focused more on the games at this point since things are still in flux.  If there was fantasy basketball Landmark Conference, though, I'd never bench Banzhaf.   For one thing, I wouldn't have anybody even close to him on my bench!

First of all, Banzah wouldn't even make the roster of some Catholic teams of the past. You forget CU was D-I until the school de-emphasized it's athletic programs after the 1980-81 season.
With that being said, the best player in school history was Bobby Adrion, bar none. This kid was one of the best in the country (there were no D-II or III schools) and if freshmen were eligible when he played, God knows how many more points he would have had.
They also a kid named Glenn Kolonicks, who I saw play in Scranton's Holiday Tourney one year. He can play with anyone as well.
Heck, Billy Dankos, who had ties up this way, was an outstanding player and he scored over a 1,000 points with nobody playing alongside him. And yes, that was in D-I.
Banzhaf may be a good D-III player, but don't compare him to what CU once had. That's an insult.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2009, 04:23:24 pm
Oh, relax cold_case -- I don't think anyone meant to compare him to a D-I player. Untwist those knickers. :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2009, 04:25:33 pm
Matt,

I am having deja vu. Wasn't last year your campaign for Banzhaf to be Rookie of the Year?

Is Luke Hawk eligble for Rookie of the Year this year? ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 10, 2009, 04:26:08 pm
[quote author=Matt Letourneau link=topic=5121.msg1029463#msg1029463  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

   Since Matt's only a few years out of CU, he hasn't seen any of the guys CC mentions; that's why he limited it to the recent years. Bob Adrion was a very good one, though.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 10, 2009, 04:37:37 pm
NEPAFAN: Great point...wonder what the actual answer is? As those familiar with the Royals are aware, Luke is a soph. with freshman eligability due to last seasons knee injury just prior to the start of school.
  If he is allowed to be in the running, I haven't seen too many other freshmen that are any better. I say he's certainly in the mix for the Banzhoff Award. ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 10, 2009, 05:34:09 pm
I say he's certainly in the mix for the Banzhoff Award. ;)

If Spenser Spencer wins it this year, can we call it the Casanova Award?  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 10, 2009, 06:06:22 pm
[quote author=Matt Letourneau link=topic=5121.msg1029463#msg1029463  Regardless of how good Jason is--and at this point I'm pretty much ready to say that he's the best player I've ever seen wear a Catholic uniform at ANY point--certainly in the top 3--he's going to need help if Catholic is to be competitive in Scranton.

   Since Matt's only a few years out of CU, he hasn't seen any of the guys CC mentions; that's why he limited it to the recent years. Bob Adrion was a very good one, though.

Ha..more than a few, sadly--put it this way--more than a Senate term!

No, obviously I'm not comparing him to D1 players!  But there is absolutely, positively, no way that Pat Dwyer was better than Banzhaf as a sophomore.  I like Pat Dwyer plenty, but...forget it.  Not even close.  For one thing, Pat was like Shaq at the line, which was a huge liability for a big man.  And he wasn't really that big--he wasn't a bruiser inside, and he wasn't a good enough shooter to play outside.  He was decent at both, and he had very good intangibles.  But...no.

Part of this as you say D-Mac is what you see---the only Catholic big man I've seen that was so fluid underneath was Morley, but Morley didn't develop range until he was an upperclassman.  Nobody was a bigger fan of those players than me, but...it is what it is.  I'm not the only one who follows Catholic bball closely to have that opinion, either.  I know, I've talked about it with others.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 10, 2009, 06:39:19 pm
Its quite obvious that this player of the year race is a 2 man sprint to see who puts in work and produces not only for himself but for his team...its key that the POY should make others around him better and raise the levels his supporting cast.

Honestly though, not taking away from Banzhaf of Patch because I believe they are good ball players.  But in the CAC conference, from which Goucher and Catholic came from, these guys would be role players on some teams within that conference. I don't believe that these guys would be in the same categorie as a Chad McGowan or Garret Smith. Really I wouldn't even put them that close to a Tyson Leseme from St. Marys, Ray Williams from Salisbury or Robert Haney Jr. from Galluadet. They would be maybe 2nd team picks, MAYBE
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 11, 2009, 01:58:39 am
I don't agree, tpm.  I watched CAC basketball for a long time and I don't see any drop off in the Landmark.  In fact, actually, I think top to bottom this conference could be better. 

I saw every player you named.  They were all good players to varying degrees, but they weren't any better than the best in the Landmark.  Several of those guys like Williams and Haney were the Alan Iversons of the CAC--they got their points, but only because they took a ton of shots and shot for a very low percentage.  Garrett Smith never lived up to his potential, and McGowan was certainly a very good player, but better than Banzhaf--when he was a sophomore? Hardly.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2009, 07:45:19 am
I don't agree, tpm.  I watched CAC basketball for a long time and I don't see any drop off in the Landmark.  In fact, actually, I think top to bottom this conference could be better. 

I saw every player you named.  They were all good players to varying degrees, but they weren't any better than the best in the Landmark.  Several of those guys like Williams and Haney were the Alan Iversons of the CAC--they got their points, but only because they took a ton of shots and shot for a very low percentage.  Garrett Smith never lived up to his potential, and McGowan was certainly a very good player, but better than Banzhaf--when he was a sophomore? Hardly.
I think TPM has a point... though it is tough to compare. I think some of CAC players he mentioned would still be leading their teams if they played in the Landmark and if they played with Banzhaf and Patch, those two would be more like "Scottie Pippens" in comparison. Still good players, but more of a second choice to compliment the others.

As for your thought about McGowan compared to Banzhaf... again I remind you, Matt, that making that comparison isn't exactly fair to either player. Banzhaf has to be the man on this team; there aren't many other options. McGowan was on a team with plenty of other options both inside and outside, so he didn't have to be "the man" during his sophomore year. That being said, he still contributed. Sure, he doesn't come close to having the same numbers - again, because he wasn't an option the team needed - but he was still pretty darn good. I would say at least equal to Banzhaf, if not a bit better.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 11, 2009, 09:48:53 am
I don't agree, tpm.  I watched CAC basketball for a long time and I don't see any drop off in the Landmark.  In fact, actually, I think top to bottom this conference could be better. 

I saw every player you named.  They were all good players to varying degrees, but they weren't any better than the best in the Landmark.  Several of those guys like Williams and Haney were the Alan Iversons of the CAC--they got their points, but only because they took a ton of shots and shot for a very low percentage.  Garrett Smith never lived up to his potential, and McGowan was certainly a very good player, but better than Banzhaf--when he was a sophomore? Hardly.


Matt, totally agree with you about those guys not being big # producers as  Banzhaf has been during his sophmore run.  Only from a numbers standpoint. Numbers look good on Paper but don't really matter if you don't win games. We will see if Banzhaf can come up big this weekend to produce wins. I'm not knocking the Landmark at all because they did produce 2 great teams last year that went to the NCAA tourny but I do believe from a talent perspective and overall skill level that many 1st and 2nd team picks from the CAC would surpass Patch and Banzhaf in this conference this year. But who knows, I would compare CAC talents to Josh Robinson from Susquehanna last year who was dominant and unstoppable at times.

Duke vs. UNC tonight who ya pickin?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 11, 2009, 10:38:27 am
I also have a few roots in the CAC and have to agree with Matt - top to bottom, the Landmark is better. I see more consistency in the Landmark in terms of team play.

Patch and Banzhaf *might have* been second-team picks in the CAC, but it's more of a flash over substance thing. (The Iverson comparison is a good one.) And they are surrounded by better "supporting casts" than some of those CAC guys were.

I'll take the Dukies tonight, just 'cause the game is in Cameron.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Innerloop on February 11, 2009, 11:09:24 am
I really can't see anyone beating out Banzah for the POY award. He has carried CUA on his back. It ashame that nobody gives anyone else on the team any credit. Yes, there are no consistent other scorers, but somebody different has stepped up at different times. They have 16 wins and they will probably end up with at least 18 maybe 20. Alot of coaches and players would like to be in their position right now!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 11, 2009, 12:51:48 pm
Mr. Spencer is a good choice for Rookie of the Year...didn't know Susq recruited in the Pacific Northwest.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 11, 2009, 06:38:22 pm
Duke! Dickey V will lose his voice tonight baby.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 11, 2009, 11:37:57 pm
POY-I'm gonna say Banzhaf but if SU wins the regular season maybe Patch. I think a lot depends how these last 3 games go. I think this weekend Banzhaf is going against the best individual post defender the last 2 years in the Landmark in Paul Hawk, and @ Scranton he will not be getting the help to the free throw line that he did at CUA. If he performs well this weekend he would be my choice.

ROY-Spencer Spencer.... 5th in scoring in the conference has played huge down the stretch

COY-Howes.... to have the season they did with as much as they lost and as young as they are very impressive.

As for Banzhaf he is having statistically a better year then McGowan as sophomores. JB 21.4 ppg 7.8 rbg where as McGowan was approx 16-17ppg and 6 rbg. IMO Chad was the go to player for York that year despite having Bushey, Lee, Zerfing, and others. With all the talent around him Chad didn't have to deal with constant double-triple teams that JB faces. It works both ways Chad didn't get as many looks but he also didnt face the same pressures and attention that JB faces this year. I don't think JB is the same athlete Chad is/was but to say he wouldnt be a deserving player of All Conf 1st team is not fair. JB will be an Hon Mention Pre Season AA next year and who knows if CUA makes a run into the tourney could get AA status this year (I wouldn't hold my breath for this one personally). I think both he and Patch will be All Region players this year either 1st or 2nd team.

All Conf Picks
JB
Patch
Dave Thompson
Ryan Samuel
Biagioli or Ashworth maybe both
Dada
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 12, 2009, 02:37:54 pm
Forgive my ignorance but what teams do the following players play for:

Dada?
Dave Thompson?
Ryan Samuel?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 12, 2009, 02:51:15 pm
Dada I believe plays for Goucher aka Darrin Bosewell. I doubt any Goucher players will make 1st team. If Jon Garritt and James Russo couldn't make first team with there numbers they put up then there is no way. Sorry
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2009, 05:00:39 pm
tpm - you don't think Micah Perry will make first team with that 31 point performance??? :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 12, 2009, 06:26:14 pm
tpm - you don't think Micah Perry will make first team with that 31 point performance??? :)

Dave:  ;D ;D ;D I just got done with dinner and I just saw your question and starting laughing hysterically. Micah Perry should make the potential-team to breakout (not acne) for NEXT YEAR, at least now he will be listed on other teams scouting reports as a THREAT TO BREAKOUT ONCE, key word ONCE. Even though the 31 point performance was impressive, the consistency for a 1st team performer was lacking. But who knows the SID's in the league may like his hair, DREDS!  :D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 12, 2009, 08:34:56 pm
The SID's pick the all-conference team?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 13, 2009, 02:15:55 am
Forgive my ignorance but what teams do the following players play for:

Dada?
Dave Thompson?
Ryan Samuel?

Darrin Boswell aka dada I apologize for that one. Chances are he won't be an all conf 1st team pick but potentially 2nd team. Thought I would just put his name into the mix.

Dave Thompson is from Juniata. 3rd leading scorer in the Landmark. For this to happen JC needs to win at least 2 of the next 3, but prob more realistically win out if he is to get 1st team status.

Samuel(s;not sure if there is an s at the end) is from Merch Marine. He is the best PG in the conference. Avg's 10-11ppg 4-5 assts and I would bet around 3 rebs. He is what makes that team go.

You figure there will be 2 from Scranton (Ashworth Fitzpatrick or Biagioli), 1 from each of the other top 3 (so Banzhaf, Patch, and Samuel) which leaves one more spot. My personal vote would go to Thompson.

There is also a DPOY. Who would that be in the Conf this year? I would guess Hawk with nearly 3 blks 4 def rpg and 1.15 steals a game
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 09:24:43 am
Forgive my ignorance but what teams do the following players play for:

Dada?
Dave Thompson?
Ryan Samuel?

Darrin Boswell aka dada I apologize for that one. Chances are he won't be an all conf 1st team pick but potentially 2nd team. Thought I would just put his name into the mix.

Dave Thompson is from Juniata. 3rd leading scorer in the Landmark. For this to happen JC needs to win at least 2 of the next 3, but prob more realistically win out if he is to get 1st team status.

Samuel(s;not sure if there is an s at the end) is from Merch Marine. He is the best PG in the conference. Avg's 10-11ppg 4-5 assts and I would bet around 3 rebs. He is what makes that team go.

You figure there will be 2 from Scranton (Ashworth Fitzpatrick or Biagioli), 1 from each of the other top 3 (so Banzhaf, Patch, and Samuel) which leaves one more spot. My personal vote would go to Thompson.

There is also a DPOY. Who would that be in the Conf this year? I would guess Hawk with nearly 3 blks 4 def rpg and 1.15 steals a game

Thanks for the clarification.


Agreed, Hawk is the DPOY and hopefully he plays like it on Saturday Night at the Long Center. Fitzpatrick has cooled off a bit down the stretch, but see him in the mix for 1st or 2nd team.

I still think it is too early to name a Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 13, 2009, 11:41:38 am
The SID's pick the all-conference team?

Nope, coaches do.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 13, 2009, 11:53:41 am
I think Coach of the Year should be Leanord Trevino BAAAAA HAHA HAHA HAHA AHHHHHH ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D I joke, I joke
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 02:32:38 pm
A little motivation?


Scranton, USMMA, and Susquehanna have clinched three of the four berths for the upcoming Landmark Conference tournament, which begins on Wednesday, Febraury 25, with semifinal action at the site of the number one and two seeds.
Of the three teams tied for the top spot, the Royals are in prime position to clinch homecourt advantage. If Scranton wins its last three games, all of which will be played at the Long Center, the Royals will be the number one seed.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2009, 02:50:47 pm
NEPAFAN: So, what's your take? Do the Royals go 3-0, 2-1, 1-2 or 0-3?
  I don't see 0-3 being realistic especially at the Long Center...however, the other 3 choices have some degree of merit. Should the Royals defeat Catholic tomorrow, I think their chances to run the table go up considerably.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 13, 2009, 03:08:36 pm
Of the three teams tied for the top spot, the Royals are in prime position to clinch homecourt advantage. If Scranton wins its last three games, all of which will be played at the Long Center, the Royals will be the number one seed.

Go Catholic!  ;) (sorry, I want homecourt for SU, of course)

Do we have a full breakdown of the playoff scenarios, or just Scranton's? I know Susquehanna has a tough matchup tomorrow with USMMA, then Drew Sunday, and then they have to go to Juniata next weekend which is never easy.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 03:18:39 pm
I don't have the other Landmark scenarios, that was from a Scranton release. I was unaware that if they win out they clinch the 1 seed.


Saratoga:  I can see them losing to Catholic or Moravian next weekend...(2-1)..although I think they might be coming together at the right time as evident in the USMMA game. Does your friend still think never has so little been done with so much?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2009, 03:43:05 pm
NEPAFAN: Haven't discussed it lately but, I'm sure he does. He's a Bess fan through & through & is not sold in any way on the current leadership. Still feels Bess should have picked his time etc.etc. Not sure Coach Danzig ever really had a chance in their eyes.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 13, 2009, 10:25:45 pm
Saratoga,

Check your PMs..
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 13, 2009, 10:28:17 pm
Saratoga,

Check your PMs..

I don't think it's appropriate to be discussing anyone's pms.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2009, 01:01:53 am
Of the three teams tied for the top spot, the Royals are in prime position to clinch homecourt advantage. If Scranton wins its last three games, all of which will be played at the Long Center, the Royals will be the number one seed.

Go Catholic!  ;) (sorry, I want homecourt for SU, of course)

Do we have a full breakdown of the playoff scenarios, or just Scranton's? I know Susquehanna has a tough matchup tomorrow with USMMA, then Drew Sunday, and then they have to go to Juniata next weekend which is never easy.

    Today is the last of the matchups between playoff contenders(Sus/MMA & Scr/CUA), so head-head results will be known then. Right now, Scr wins vs. MMA, MMA potentially wins vs. Sus and CUA likewise vs. Scr with wins today. Then who you tie with will be affected by the final 2 games with the non-playoff teams.
    Scranton, currently with a loss to Moravian, has the fewest losses in games between playoff contenders and that is why they would have 1st seed winning out. It should be clearer after today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 14, 2009, 09:59:46 am
Saratoga,

Check your PMs..

I don't think it's appropriate to be discussing anyone's pms.


Ha....I think all the PMSing is going on over on the Women's Board...and no I am not making a joke.. ;D

Edit: So I don't get banned for life, I was refering to the Saratoga/Pat Coleman debate on Regional Rankings...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2009, 03:09:45 pm
So what's the best way to follow tonight's Catholic-Scranton game on the web?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 14, 2009, 03:22:35 pm
I believe Scranton has live radio via there website but I'm not to sure of it. I think they have live stats def. though
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 14, 2009, 03:58:50 pm
Live audio: http://www.susqu.edu/orgs/wqsu-fm/stream.html
and live stats: http://www.susqu.edu/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm
for anyone interested in the action in Selinsgrove today.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2009, 07:11:39 pm
So what's the best way to follow tonight's Catholic-Scranton game on the web?
Matt,
    For audio, click on the A of CUA/Scr on D3hoops home page or go to scranton.edu and search for WUSR.
   Moravian is supposed to be doing video today and tomorrow,but I haven't been able to get past buffering today
   Lady Cards give Royals all sorts of trouble but fall in a close one.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 14, 2009, 09:14:30 pm
Susquehanna ekes one out over Merchant Marine, 58-55. How'd Scranton-Catholic end? last I heard Scranton was up two with about four to play.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 14, 2009, 09:29:49 pm
Scranton won, don't know what happened.  Seemed like a tight game the whole time. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 14, 2009, 11:37:50 pm
   With Moravian eliminated today, I believe Catholic has clinched the final playoff spot. If CUA & Juniata finish 7-7, CUA should win tiebreaker by having a better record vs. Scranton @ 1-1 than Juniata's 0-2.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 15, 2009, 09:15:22 am
Joel Patch is, I believe, one game away from clinching Player of the Year. With a solid 18 and 9 performance last night he may have solidified himself as the guaranteed winner of the POY for the Landmark. Drew is the worst team in the league so expect patch to have big numbers again tonight, especially with it being the senior game. He may even break 1,000 points today.

The reason why he leads the race is because Banzhaf lost last night and couldn't propel his team to victory. His numbers were down just as I expected them to be. GUESS I WAS RIGHT, THANK GOD I BENCHED HIM ON MY FANTASY TEAM BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN WITH SCRANTON as I mentioned in an early blog. Goucher will get crushed today by Scranton, 2nd day, 4pm start, not enough rest, plus Scranton is undefeated at home this year in the Landmark.

POY 2009- Patch
POY 2010- Banzhaf (sit and wait till next year, he's only a sophmore and has the chance to post back to back POY runs his junior and senior year, wait his turn basically.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2009, 01:38:08 pm
I am not sure what happened with Banzhaf, but sounds like Paul Hawk and company played some good defense....nice write up in the Scranton Times for a change...



Persistent Royals to Much For Catholic

http://www.scrantontimes.com/articles/2009/02/15/sports/sc_times_trib.20090215.c.pg1.tt15column_s1.2306751_spo.txt
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2009, 06:26:24 pm
May I ask, tpm, exactly who did you have on your fantasy bench that put up more than 12?  You must have a pretty deep team.

I don't know what happened either---Reed's numbers were way up, so I suspect Catholic went to him more often.  Take a look at Hawk's numbers last night--he did virtually nothing--so apparently Jason played some damned good D.

Of course, Patch had a similar game against Catholic earlier, so I would assume that's eliminated from consideration, right tpm?



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 15, 2009, 06:35:42 pm
Paul Hawk is only averging 6 points a game, so don't pat your boy on his back too much!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2009, 07:01:34 pm
I know--and I imagine he had a lot of help keeping  Jason off the scoreboard.

I was just being a little tongue in cheek for my pal tpm who is being a little bit ridiculous.  I think Jason's still clearly the POY, but even if you don't, it still has to be a close call, and its a little hard for me to take seriously the notion that its a slam dunk for somebody else.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 15, 2009, 07:10:40 pm
I know--and I imagine he had a lot of help keeping  Jason off the scoreboard.

I was just being a little tongue in cheek for my pal tpm who is being a little bit ridiculous.  I think Jason's still clearly the POY, but even if you don't, it still has to be a close call, and its a little hard for me to take seriously the notion that its a slam dunk for somebody else.


matt you are BIASED, sorry about the loss today to Moravian haha don't blow another home loss to Trevino's sorry team again next weekend. I'm not hinting its a lock but I would say its clearly about 75% in Patchs hands. So again sorry to Catholic
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 15, 2009, 10:36:40 pm

Standings                                               RS

Scranton         10 - 3                                Scranton         4 - 0
Susque           10 - 3                                 Susque          3 - 0
MMA                9 - 4                                 MMA              4 - 1
Catholic           7 - 6                                Catholic          3 - 2
Moravian          5 - 8                                Juniata           3 - 4
Juniata            5 - 8                                Moravian         1 - 3
Goucher           4 - 9                                Goucher          2 - 5
Drew               2 - 11                               Drew              0 - 5

MMA clinches 3rd seed;CUA 4th; Scranton - 1st under 3/4 outcomes for next weekend's games; only one where it's 2nd is Sus win and Scr loss.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 16, 2009, 12:24:21 am
Had an opportunity to watch the 2nd half and OT of the JC v. Merch Marine game online. Very exciting finish. Samuel was extremely impressive. Basically he won the game along with some untimely turnovers by JC not least of which came in OT. With the game tied following two missed freethrows by Merch Marine JC came down and turned it over after crossing midcourt. They fouled, MM hit two freethrows, JC came down and either didn't get a shot off or it was blocked couldn't tell with how choppy it was online. Was impressed with how resilient Merch Marine was. Was a very well played game by both teams just MM made one more play in the end.

JB rebounded nicely today, but the team is limping to the finish here. Reminds me a lot of Moravian last season. Still like JB Matt so you aren't alone.

SU had a nice balanced game from everyone it looks like. On top of Patch being a great player, he is also a great student. Academic AA and All District I think with a 3.68 gpa. True student athlete.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2009, 12:54:49 am
Yeah, Jason had 24 today and tried to carry his team back.

Really, it was one hell of an effort--never should have happened but CUA opened the game ice cold and were down 24-6 at one point and 45-22 at halftime.  Ugly.

But you know--I'll give those guys credit.  It would have been easy to quit and go through the motions, but they somehow got the game to 7 with a minute left.  Shot 29% in the first half, 62% in the second. 

They're just really young, and down the stretch its hurt them I guess.  It wasn't like they got blown out at Scranton--in fact they had a narrow lead most of the second half.  Couldn't quite finish.  I'd watch out for them next year.

Even as a four seed---if they put it all together they could knock of Scranton and Susquehanna.  Not saying they will, but its within the realm of possiblities.  Problem is, Scranton is 10-0 at home this season.  One hell of a home court advantage--at least statistically, they are a mediocre team on the road, and fantastic at home. 

Kind of makes you wonder...awfully big free throw discrepancy home v. road.  Just saying....   :-X

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 16, 2009, 11:42:04 am
SU had a nice balanced game from everyone it looks like. On top of Patch being a great player, he is also a great student. Academic AA and All District I think with a 3.68 gpa. True student athlete.

Should have heard his "resume" during senior intros yesterday... probably took about 10 minutes! (j/k)  :)

I was hoping to see him get to 1,000 points yesterday; he's 9 away. He registered his 13th double-double of the season. Cosgrove had a big game with 15/10. But overall, as bballfan10 mentioned, very balanced game. That's why I like this team's chances in the postseason.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2009, 02:43:49 pm
Kind of makes you wonder...awfully big free throw discrepancy home v. road.  Just saying....   :-X




More tongue in cheek?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2009, 04:12:13 pm
Well the winking smiley face should probably give you a hint...

Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 16, 2009, 05:34:37 pm
That is your winking smiley face?  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 16, 2009, 07:14:34 pm
Two good wins over the weekend for the Royals...both games ending up probably closer than they needed to be. In typical Scranton fashion, seemed unprepaired for Catholic from the tip & found themselves down 10 early & had to regroup. Seemed as though they were taken by surprise with the Catholic intensity...not sure why since they are also fighting for a higher seed.
  The Goucher game is the one that worries me. Scranton was up by generally 20 throughout the 1st. half & honestly there were at least two trips on the defensive end that only one kid from Goucher even attempted to get back in the last minute. They just stopped playing the last 2 possesions & let the half end with the Royals up 22 or 23. All Scranton had to do was come out like they were only up 1 in those first 5 minutes & it would have been over. Instead, sloppy passes, minimal D, crazy shots & the next thing you know it's now down to 15. The Royals then stop attacking at the 10 minute mark which leads to a few more turnovers & rushed shots & Goucher starts driving the lane & scoring which then sets up their kick outs which start falling & they cut it to 8 & then Scranton got a couple of stops & Goucher ran out of gas & time. If they (Goucher) decided to play in the 1st. half with the passion they did in the 2nd. who knows.
  The big worry with the Royals is their general lack of interest in playing defense for 40 minutes. As was demonstrated yesterday, Scranton can get away with these break downs against certain teams however, try that against NCAA tournament teams & once again they'll be packing quicker than they can say Elms.
  In an unrelated matter...what is up with the lack of student support for this team? If it were not for alunmni & those from the area they may have not had 150 students there. In fact, there had to be at least 200/300 MORE at the Lady Royal game that then left prior to the start of the mens game. Talk about some serious disconnect with the fan base. Seems like the AD & SID better come up with a marketing plan because this lack of internal support is very serious...actually it boarders on unacceptable. It wasn't that long ago that if you were not in the Long Center at least 1/2 hour before games around playoff time, you weren't getting in. Perhaps cases of Becks to the first 2,000 students will get things going.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 16, 2009, 07:55:03 pm
Oh, well I thought it was.  Its a little tough to tell when you're doing it.

BTW--I do think Scranton probably gets some calls up there, and it might be a little bit worse than some places (everybody gets calls at home, bu I've heard from other players and coaches that they think its a little worse up there than most places--and not just CUA people!).  But I have no foundation to really make that accusation, I was just stirring up the pot a little bit!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 17, 2009, 08:57:36 am
I'm so glad we've moved on from the POY fight to winking smilies.  ;)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 17, 2009, 09:23:06 am
 ;D Here's a smiley face thought for you guys. Catholic will have the worst end of the season downfall in the conference this year. Losing two games last weekend and they will lose to Goucher this weekend. dropping 3 straight going into the tourny isn't good Matt.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 17, 2009, 01:45:42 pm
First of all, I don't think they will lose to Goucher. 

They had a end of season road trip.  They are a young team under pressure. 

To be honest, even if they don't win a game this year, they exceeded my expectations.  Go back to the beginning of the year and look at what I wrote.  They were a 10 win team last year, and they lost several of their better young players like Wes Parker.  As of now, they've won 6 more games, and they are going to continue to get better. 

I always thought that next year is the year they will really make the leap, assuming they can keep the current roster together. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 17, 2009, 06:05:14 pm
You get Kings or Wilkes at the Long Center and maybe you'll get some more fannys in the seats. Hard to get students out on Valentine's Day night and a Sunday afternoon.


I would have like to see some more use of the bench versus Goucher, these kids are going to get tired during back to back games, especially in what was a tough contest against the Catholic Banzhaf's ( I mean Cardinals)!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cold_case on February 18, 2009, 08:40:14 am
You get Kings or Wilkes at the Long Center and maybe you'll get some more fannys in the seats. Hard to get students out on Valentine's Day night and a Sunday afternoon.
I would have like to see some more use of the bench versus Goucher, these kids are going to get tired during back to back games, especially in what was a tough contest against the Catholic Banzhaf's ( I mean Cardinals)!

When did Catholic change their name to the Cardinals? Hmmm.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 18, 2009, 12:35:12 pm
Here is why the Goucher Gophers will come away with a win against Catholic this weekend to end the season on a good note against there bitter rivals....Catholic is a one man team, all Goucher will have to do is pay particular close attention to Banzhaf and not let him beat you. Let the other players who are not capable of winning a game as seen this weekend vs. Scranton attempt to beat you. Another reason why is because Goucher has had success over the past 2 years beating Catholic down there. My final reason is because Catholic is on a downward spiral and falling harder than the US economy, losing 2 this weekend and 1 this weekend will keep Catholic out of the race to make the NCAA. Sorry :o
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2009, 11:35:22 am
Congrats to Ryan Fitzpatrick, MVP for Royals for the 2008-2009 season and roughly 30 points away from 1,000 for his career.


Catholic is getting pretty beat up on the board, all in jest I am sure!  ;D
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 19, 2009, 05:45:10 pm
Catholic is getting pretty beat up on the board, all in jest I am sure!  ;D

Catholic brought it on themselves with all that talk about Banzhaf being the POY and how they may make the Tourny. It's quite obvious to any nimrad that they are a one man team and if you shut (Banzhof) down you will win. Take note going into the playoffs head coaches or whoever will play them first round! It's an easy equation: shut banzhaf down = WIN
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 19, 2009, 05:55:49 pm
That easy, huh?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 19, 2009, 06:44:49 pm
Yes, that easy. Guaranteed
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 19, 2009, 10:05:24 pm
Banzhaf or Banzhof? Nimrad of Nimrod?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 20, 2009, 10:14:22 am
haha i was typing on my iPhone, screwed up on the spelling. Please forgive me.   ;D  ;D  ;D

Goucher-66        Catholic- 59
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 20, 2009, 10:36:13 am
Dhoops.com on your IPHONE very impressive.


Goucher better win or you are going to hear it!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2009, 10:58:15 am
haha i was typing on my iPhone, screwed up on the spelling. Please forgive me.   ;D  ;D  ;D

Goucher-66        Catholic- 59
For a minute there, I was affraid you were showing off that Goucher education!!!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 20, 2009, 11:19:06 am
Dhoops.com on your IPHONE very impressive.


I was rolling livestats on my BlackBerry while sitting at the Susquehanna game on Saturday (wanted to see how close Patch was getting to 1,000), how's that?  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 20, 2009, 12:55:42 pm
Dave- Goucher education without boundries!...Nepafan you should def. consider getting the iPhone it is the best phone on the market.

Yeah im putting all my chips in on this Goucher-Catholic game, lets hope the Gophers can pull a Win. If not then i'll probably get torched on the board but at least I would be right about Goucher being horrible and Patch POY.  ;D.

Have a good weekend all, look forward to seeing the results after tommorow.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 21, 2009, 03:50:46 pm
[Catholic  U will defeat  Goucher by 6-8 points in the final reg season home game on the new Franny Murray court
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 21, 2009, 08:20:11 pm
Juniata's looking to make an upset - 37-26 at the half. Meanwhile, Moravian's trying to do SU a favor, leading Scranton 41-32 with 3 minutes to go.  :o

Patch has 11 points and hit the 1,000 career plateau in style with a dunk.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 21, 2009, 09:08:00 pm
Susquehanna turns it around in the second half and wins, 72-58. Patch finishes with 27 points and 13 rebounds.

Scranton's on the comeback trail too, up 80-72 with 3:16 to go.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: cuabigdog on February 21, 2009, 10:38:32 pm
Catholic --73
 Goucher--48

Jason Banzhaf     8 -11    22 points  8 boards 
 Nick Olivera         6 - 9  [5-4 from3] 17 points

 Cards dominated from start to finish
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2009, 12:23:04 am
Scranton defeats Moravian by about 10 & wraps up the regular season top slot. Hats off to Coach Walker & his staff  at Moravian for getting his kids to play like a playoff spot was on the line for them as well. Once again, Scranton's offense carried their defense to victory.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2009, 01:31:09 am
Did I read correctly, Scranton done by 12 in the second half and come back to win 91-75?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 22, 2009, 01:51:45 am
   Yes, 4 consecutive 3-ptrs, 3 by Fitz, erased the 12-pt deficit. Susque had a similar 29-pt turnaround to beat Juniata.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2009, 02:02:55 pm
Where is TPM to take his medicine?



Have the times for the playoff games on weds been announced yet?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 22, 2009, 03:31:19 pm
NEPA: I believe I heard last night after the games that the Landmark Conference will announce the schedules for Wed's. games on Mon. morning. Since both the Scranton women & men ended up as the # 1 seeds, both will be at the Long Center. Generally, this translates into a 5:30 start for the Scranton/Susquehanna ladies & a 7:30 tipoff for the Royals & Catholic men.
 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2009, 04:25:05 pm
Where is TPM to take his medicine?

I see his name at the top of the board, so he's here.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 22, 2009, 04:37:20 pm
Ouch.


Merchant Marine 111, Drew 46 


TOGA:


You might want to suggest to the Administration the beer give away idea, student section is still DOA.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 22, 2009, 09:40:13 pm
Okay, look...

I didn't even bother taking tpm's bait before the CUA-Goucher game because he was being a clown, and frankly I knew Catholic was going to win.  For one thing, it was senior night, for another thing, well, Goucher...eh, let"s keep it positive.

It wasn't quite the MM-Drew game, but it was a blowout right from the get-go.  I'm very happy for senior Nick Olivero in particular who had a great game on his home floor for the last time.  The three Catholic seniors (Sean Stolzenthaler, Evan Yarborough and Nick) went 70-36 in their careers during a time of great transition in the program.  They stuck with it and all contributed at various points.  I certainly wish them well.

For whatever reason, Banzhaf and Catholic have taken a lot of crap here.  I still think he's the player of the year.  Obviously I'm biased, but that doesn't make me wrong.  From an intangible standpoint, he was the anchor on a very young team that really turned it around this year. 

I understand the argument that being the main scoring option on a team means inflated numbers, but in Justin's case, his shot selection and field percentage prove that it was more than just lack of options that led to his numbers.  But all this talk is a bit disparaging toward the rest of the team--there are other good players on Catholic's roster, its just that on any given night, a different guy stepped up so the numbers aren't as consistent.

For as much as a clown that tpm was, he was right in that every team went into a CUA game knowing that they had to stop Banzhaf.  And yet how often did it happen?  I'll give you the numbers in a minute, but basically NEVER.  That's remarkable.

From a statistical standpoint, the numbers speak for themselves.

In conference games, Jason finished with a 22.8 ppg average, shooting .624 in the process.  He was the league's leading scorer by 4.2 points per game.  That's a huge gap.  He was also second in field goal percentage, proving that he didn't get all those points just by jacking up tons of shots.  He was selective and reliable.  He averaged 8.1 rebounds per game--second only to Patch.  He was third in the league in free throw percentage at .852--we're talking about a power forward here!  He finished tied for second in the league in three point percentage at .455.  He led the league in offensive rebounds. 

Let's compare Banzhaf verses Patch.

Points: Banzhaf +4.2
Rebounds: Patch +2.6
FG PCT: Banzhaf +60 points

How about head to head.  In CUA-SUS games this year, Jason scored 49 points and had 19 rebounds.  Patch had 31 points and 14 rebounds.   Head to head, Banzhaf was the better player.

The other thing is consistency....these are Jason's point totals by league game: 27, 18, 17, 27, 22, 23, 21, 29, 26, 25, 26, 12, 24, 22

These are Patch's: 14, 19, 25, 6, 19, 13, 14, 26, 14, 23, 18, 18, 11, 27

Of the 14 league games, Banzhaf scored over 20 ppg in 11 of them.  He was over 15 in 13.  His season low was 12.

Of the 14 league games, Patch scored over 20 ppg in 4 of them.  He was over 15 ppg in 7.  His season low was 6.

Now I've heard the argument that Patch makes his teammates better by sharing the ball more.  Given the other talent on Susquehanna vs Catholic, and given the fact that I've heard that argument, I expected to see a pretty substantial gap in assists.  Nope.  Patch had 38 for the season, Banzhaf had 35.  Are people really going to deny him the POY over 3 assists?

I'm not taking anything away from Patch as a player--and certainly not as a student!  But if he was a sophomore and Jason was a senior, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.  And frankly, we really shouldn't be now, either.  The award is Player of the Year.  Its not MVP, its not best rebounder, its POY.  It should go to the best player in the conference. 

Night in, night out--that was Jason Banzhaf. 



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 23, 2009, 09:45:45 am
I was sadly wrong about the Catholic-Goucher game and admit that it was a bad decision to try to back up a poor/terrible Goucher squad that had nothing to play for. Catholic took care of business as I should have expected them to do because they are well coached.

Great argument for the POY Matt Letourneau, there should be a heated debate as your boy Banzhaf does have an impressive resume this year. I guess its not up to us. But my vote still sticks with Patch just because I think Banzhaf will win the POY 2-consecutive years with at least one conference championship in his Junior or Senior Year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 23, 2009, 12:49:03 pm
Okay, look...

For whatever reason, Banzhaf and Catholic have taken a lot of crap here.  I still think he's the player of the year.  Obviously I'm biased, but that doesn't make me wrong.  From an intangible standpoint, he was the anchor on a very young team that really turned it around this year. 

I think the crap is directly related to the amount of your Banzhaf cheerleading, it can be a bit excessive at times. First with Rookie of the Year and now with Player of the Year.


I checked the conference webpage and Weds 25 FEB Catholic at Scranton 7:30pm at the Long Center.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 23, 2009, 04:45:18 pm
Joel Patch was Landmark Player of the Week again.  Of course, Banzhaf has four POWs to Patch's three, so that must make him POY.  ;D

(Matt - not giving Banzhaf crap, I have respect for the kid - just some friendly joshing for you.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 23, 2009, 08:56:28 pm
I understand!  Patch is a great player and he sounds like a great kid.  We're fortunate to have two players like that in this league.

NEPA--just one final push.  I wanted to get the stats out there.  With this league being spread out so much geographically, we just don't get to see the players/teams that aren't in our area very much, and its very easy to miss who is doing what.   I made my case, I'm done.

Should be some good games this week.   I feel terrible I can't see the Cardinals play Wed. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 23, 2009, 11:23:39 pm
Maybe if I donate a ton of money to the Blue & Gold society at Goucher College and place a stipulation on the cash that the only way you will receive this generous donation to the athletic department is if you fire Trevino, does anyone think that will work?

I have a solution to the POY award. Give the award to both banzhaf and patch just like Kobe and shaq shared the MVP of the all star game I don't see anything wrong with co-POY awards if both candidates are worthy. What do you think matt?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 24, 2009, 12:50:58 pm
Matt,

Scranton-Catholic will be on www.scranton.edu/WUSR


Here are some notes:

Cardinal Update (Team): Catholic University enters the Landmark Conference tournamenthaving lost three of their last five games, but did win their most recent outing, a 73-48 victo-ry over Goucher College last Saturday evening at the DeFour Center in Washington,D.C...four of the Cardinals’ eight losses this year, however, have been by seven points-or-fewer...on the offensive end, the Cardinals have shot 50 percent-or-better from the field ninetimes, posting a 9-0 record in those games, and 8-3 when shooting at least 40 percent fromthe 3-point arc... defensively, Catholic has held 11 opponents under 65 points and has held13 opponents to less than 45 percent shooting from the field...the Cardinals currently lead theLandmark Conference in rebounding margin (+4.9), are second in scoring offense (73.2),scoring defense (65.3), scoring margin (+7.9), and field goal percentage (.461), and third infree throw percentage (.700) and 3-point field goal percentage defense (.337)...the Cardinalsare also a combined 7-6 on the road and in games played on a neutral site...in this week’sNCAA team statistics, Catholic is 47th in free throw percentage (.700), 63rd in scoring margin(+7.9), 72nd in fewest turnovers per game (13.6), and 73rd in scoring defense (65.3 points pergame allowed) and win-loss percentage (.653).


Cardinal Update (Individual): All eyes are likely to be on Cardinal sophomore forwardJason Banzhaf, the 2008 Landmark Conference Rookie of the Year and prime candidate forthis season’s player of the year award...Banzhaf has led Catholic in scoring in each of the last16 games and in 23 of 25 games...Banzhaf leads the Landmark Conference in scoring (21.2),is second in rebounding (7.6) and field goal percentage (.598), fourth in 3-point field goal per-centage (.424), fifth in free throw percentage (.802) and minutes played (32.52), and seventhin steals (1.28)...after Banzhaf, its a scoring-by-committee mentality, as seven other playersaverage five-or-more points: sophomore guard RJ Dixon (9.0), sophomore forward SpencerReed (8.0), senior guard Evin Yarbrough (6.5), senior guard Nick Olivero (6.1), junior for-ward Matt Fazzini (5.9), sophomore guard Brian Baker (5.8), and Clark Hindelang(5.5)...in this week’s NCAA statistical rankings, Banzhaf is 21st in scoring (21.2) and 24th infield goal percentage, while senior guard Sean Stolzenthaler is 12th in assist-to-turnoverratio (2.58).


Royal Update (Team notes): The defending Landmark Conference champion Royals arein the midst of a season-long five-game winning streak....Scranton is one win shy of postingat least 20 victories for the fourth time in Carl Danzig’s eighth season as head coach and forthe 19th time in school history...in their last six games, the Royals are shooting 51.6 percentfrom the field (215 of 407), 44.7 percent from beyond the 3-point arc (67 of 150), and 75.6percent from the free throw line (127 of 168)...during this same span defensively, the Royalsare allowing 65.5 points while holding the opposition to 41.5 shooting from the field (188-453), including 38.5 (55 of 143) from the 3-point arc...in its last four games, Scranton has hadat least four players score in double figures; for the season, the Royals have had at least fourplayers score in double figures in a game 12 times; Scranton is 10-2 when four players scorein double figures...Scranton has yet to allow an opponent to shoot 50 percent-or-higher fromthe field this season...the Royals are 45-21 in (68.2 percent) in Landmark/Middle AtlanticConference tournament games, including a 6-3 mark under Danzig...Scranton is fourth in 3-point field goal percentage (.420), fifth in blocks (5.6), 16th in free throw percentage (.761),35th in field goal percentage defense (.402), 42nd in 3-point field goals made per game (8.2),43rd in field goal percentage (.478), 44th in scoring margin (+9.2) and win-loss percentage(.760), 63rd in scoring defense (64.7 points per game allowed), and 70th in assist-to-turnoverratio (1.04).


Royal Notes (Individual): Senior guard Ryan FitzPatrick is now nine points shy ofbecoming the 36th player in Royals’ history to score 1000 career points...in his last threegames, FitzPatrick is averaging 16.3 points while shooting 73.9 percent (17 of 23) from thefield, including 61.1 percent from the 3-point arc (11 of 18)...FitzPatrick leads the LandmarkConference and is third in the latest NCAA statistics in 3-point field goal percentage accuracy(.532)...senior forward Paul Biagioli is averaging 17.5 points in his last nine games, raising hisscoring average from 10.5 to 13.0 points per game...during this stretch, Biagioli is shooting 60percent (60 of 100) from the field...junior guard Dan O’Connell eclipsed his previous career-high of 11 points in the Royals’ 66-64 victory over USMMA by knocking down four of sixshots from the field en route to 12 points in 21 minutes of action in last Saturday’s win overMoravian...sophomore guard Luke Hawk has scored in double figures in six of his lastseven games and is averaging 11.7 points while shooting 44.4 percent from the field duringthis span...senior forward Paul Hawk has blocked at least one shot in every game this seasonand his team and Landmark Conference-leading 62 blocks is currently the sixth-highest sin-gle-season total in Scranton history; he is currently fifth in NCAA III in blocks (3.0 pergame)...reserve senior forward Eli Londo has shot 50 percent-or-higher from the field in 16of 25 games this year; in his last eight games, he is shooting 66.7 percent from the floor (24of 36) while averaging 7.4 points...sophomore guard Zach Ashworth has made 21 consecu-tive free throws and 27 of his last 29 attempts (93.1 percent); he has also scored in doublefigures in each of his last seven games and in 20 of 25 games this year.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 24, 2009, 02:21:47 pm
Joel Patch is a finalist for the Jostens Trophy!!!

(but Banzhaf isn't - now shouldn't that put Patch ahead of Banzhaf for Landmark POY, if he's a finalist for national POY?  ;D )
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 24, 2009, 03:04:54 pm
Jostens Trophy isn't for National POY. It's for a combination of academics and athletics I believe.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 24, 2009, 03:06:39 pm
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 24, 2009, 03:10:36 pm
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."

it is not national player of the year and is not strictly basketball related hence why he is on the list
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2009, 07:20:49 pm
bballfan10... I actually thought TheGrove was being sarcastic!
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 24, 2009, 09:33:31 pm
no don't think he was. look at his response to what I posted. it seems to me he thinks the Jostens is for the National POY. if he was then my apologies, but why wouldn't he just say he was being sarcastic then after my response?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 24, 2009, 11:36:12 pm
FWIW, I read it the same way as bballfan10.  Who knows...in any case, I think the people who are actually voting on conference POY know that it doesn't matter. 

And to that end, tpm, if an equal number of coaches vote for both of them, then they should tie.  But honestly, I think the most deserving player should win...whichever one the coaches think that is.  I certainly think that any kind of coordinated vote fixing by the coaches to ensure a certain result would be inappropriate.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2009, 12:54:22 am
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."

As a voter, I can tell you those two vital parts are definitely considered.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 09:48:40 am
bballfan10... I actually thought TheGrove was being sarcastic!

You're on the money, d-mac. Just indulging in some gentle joshing again, but bballfan10 had to go pee in the Wheaties for some reason...
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 01:40:17 pm
while you may have been joshing about the patch v banzhaf thing, you still thought it was the national poy award and you can pretend like you didn't now of course, but you wouldnt have responded with ur post explaining what the jostens trophy was and bolding the most outstanding players part. i was simply educating your feeble SU mind.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 01:52:30 pm
Feeble SU mind, says the guy with the Juniata degree... amusing. Maybe you're just jealous 'cause you were never nominated for it?

I highlighted the most outstanding players part to point out to you that one can't be a slouch of a bball player and win this award. It's not a "nice guy" award. I was around when Kristen Venne (another "feeble" SU mind I suppose) won the Josten's Trophy, and she was a hell of a ballplayer, three-time All-American, one of our all-time leading scorers, etc.

I realize this is not an officially-sanctioned NCAA award, but it says right there in the description, "most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year." While there are other factors involved, again, you have to be a darn good basketball player to get the award, not just a nice guy and good student.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 02:09:22 pm
Guys...Guys....like minded institutions remember?

Feeble minded? Those are the Wilkes and Kings of the world... ;D




Anyone seeing Scranton or Susquehanna upset tonight?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 02:22:25 pm
Guys...Guys....like minded institutions remember?

Feeble minded? Those are the Wilkes and Kings of the world... ;D

Don't forget the Lycomings...  :)

As for upsets, hey, any given Sunday... er, Wednesday.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: saratoga on February 25, 2009, 02:37:38 pm
Two big questions to be answered tonight in the Catholic/Scranton game. First, can Paul Hawk hold a potential Landmark MVP about 15 points below his average as he did in their last game and secondly, will the Scranton men finally outdraw the Scranton women in a home game?
  Answers: I hope so & not a chance.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 02:57:07 pm
Feeble SU mind, says the guy with the Juniata degree... amusing. Maybe you're just jealous 'cause you were never nominated for it?

I highlighted the most outstanding players part to point out to you that one can't be a slouch of a bball player and win this award. It's not a "nice guy" award. I was around when Kristen Venne (another "feeble" SU mind I suppose) won the Josten's Trophy, and she was a hell of a ballplayer, three-time All-American, one of our all-time leading scorers, etc.

I realize this is not an officially-sanctioned NCAA award, but it says right there in the description, "most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year." While there are other factors involved, again, you have to be a darn good basketball player to get the award, not just a nice guy and good student.

jeaoulous? not at all. Patch deserves all the credit he has gotten and has had a great senior year and its quite the honor to even be nominated for the award. look at my comments about him over course of the year. i have been very complimentary. however, him being a nice guy and great student is why he is in the running for the jostens (along with the bball aspect)

my feeble minded comment was sarcastic but you had to go and pee on the wheaties. with that being said if you want to argue the merits of a Juniata degree vs. a Susquehanna one i'd be happy to.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 02:59:55 pm
Two big questions to be answered tonight in the Catholic/Scranton game. First, can Paul Hawk hold a potential Landmark MVP about 15 points below his average as he did in their last game and secondly, will the Scranton men finally outdraw the Scranton women in a home game?
  Answers: I hope so & not a chance.


As long as the first thing happens, don't care so much about the second.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 03:10:18 pm
Two big questions to be answered tonight in the Catholic/Scranton game. First, can Paul Hawk hold a potential Landmark MVP about 15 points below his average as he did in their last game and secondly, will the Scranton men finally outdraw the Scranton women in a home game?
  Answers: I hope so & not a chance.

a. I think so

b. I don't know what it used to be like but the Long Center had a pretty good drawing last year in the Landmark Championship. It could have been better but the students filled up the one bleacher behind the basket while a majority of the stands on each sideline were filled. id say about 70%.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 03:13:36 pm
my feeble minded comment was sarcastic but you had to go and pee on the wheaties. with that being said if you want to argue the merits of a Juniata degree vs. a Susquehanna one i'd be happy too.

You stole my line, dude! As for arguing the merits of our respective degrees, I don't think I need to when you provide the evidence yourself.  :)

(And for the record, I have friends who went to Juniata, for whom I have much respect.)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 03:16:00 pm
PS to the Scrantonites - since no one seems to be talking on the women's board - good luck tonight. Aren't your women undefeated at home this year? You've got a heck of a team, SU's women have a tough task ahead of them.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2009, 03:24:25 pm
  The women have double-figure losses to Messiah and Rochester @ home; both games with Susque were struggles and I anticipate another tonight.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 05:34:18 pm
my feeble minded comment was sarcastic but you had to go and pee on the wheaties. with that being said if you want to argue the merits of a Juniata degree vs. a Susquehanna one i'd be happy too.

You stole my line, dude! As for arguing the merits of our respective degrees, I don't think I need to when you provide the evidence yourself.  :)

(And for the record, I have friends who went to Juniata, for whom I have much respect.)

darn i always do that o well. don't think there is much difference between the schools neway i just thought id try to get internet tough on you.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 06:15:12 pm
No need for internet tough, I've been to playoff games in your home gym - that's a tough enough experience.  :)
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: tpm4286 on February 25, 2009, 06:20:17 pm
Not going to lie but this POY talk is pissing me off. It will be Patch so all you Catholic chumps that think it will be Banzhaf wait your turn. Stop looking at numbers and look at the player and team as a whole and the actual individual player and how he contributed on and off the court. Word on the street in DC is that Banzhaf is not to bright in the classroom and is a little big headed and socially doesn't get along with other students.

Maryland over Duke let's go terps
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2009, 08:24:30 pm
Not going to lie but this POY talk is pissing me off. It will be Patch so all you Catholic chumps that think it will be Banzhaf wait your turn. Stop looking at numbers and look at the player and team as a whole and the actual individual player and how he contributed on and off the court. Word on the street in DC is that Banzhaf is not to bright in the classroom and is a little big headed and socially doesn't get along with other students.

Maryland over Duke let's go terps

What is wrong with you?  That's a ridiculous thing to say and its completely false.  He's a great kid and a great teammate.  I've never heard anything like that--especially in terms of him having a big head.  Actually from what I've seen its the opposite.  People have various opinions about POY but everybody but you has managed to be respectful.  Slandering some kid you don't know the first thing about is pathetic.

Silly me for thinking that a kid who is leading the league in scoring by a mile and is shooting 65% should be a leading contender for POY.

Scranton up by 4 at half time.  Low scoring game.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2009, 08:40:58 pm
4-0? 6-2? 7-3?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 25, 2009, 08:59:10 pm
"The Rotary Club of Salem, Va., annually honors the most outstanding Division III men's and women's basketball players of the year with the Jostens Trophy. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service."

Pardon me, I saw a reference to King's and Wilkes and I thought this was the Freedom room.

Kudos to the Rotary Club of Salem for presenting this award, but I've always thought the Player of the Year title was misleading.

While I encourage academic prowess and community service, I don't see how they relate to the Player of the Year.

Perhaps the Josten's Person of the Year?
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2009, 09:21:04 pm
I obviously have no idea what happened...but I bet it can be summed it very simply:  young team vs. veteran team.

Congrats, Royals. 
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 09:24:14 pm
Sounds like there was a heck of a game in Scranton tonight. As for SU, it's off to the Long Center on Saturday. Don't worry Royals fans, you'll outdraw the visiting crowd - SU students are on spring break starting Friday.

Congrats to Merchant Marine, they played a tough game - one of those where the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 25, 2009, 09:30:14 pm
I leave the details to Saratoga , but:


Royals dead and buried  down by 9 with 3 minutes left. Hawk brothers with back to back  3 pointers, Royals make some stops and Biagoli almost wins it with 1 second left.


OT- Catholic scores first, they trade some 3s... then Paul Hawk causes a jump ball on a block on Banzhaf and drains another 3 and Scranton takes it from there. He held Banzhaf to 5 points.


Unreal.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on February 25, 2009, 09:46:58 pm
Been following the banter all year about Banzhaf and Patch, 5 points in a key game should kill talk of POY.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: Matt Letourneau on February 25, 2009, 09:48:32 pm
Okay---I should take full credit for this loss since I obviously jinxed Banzhaf to hell and back.  He apparently had an epically bad night.  (As far as POY--they may already have voted, actually...usually that's the way it works because players on non-playoff teams are obviously eligible).  And of course Patch had a great night.

Frankly, with Banzhaf having that kind of night its kind of a miracle Catholic was in position to win in the first place.  

Tough way for the seniors to go out (losing a lead).  Hold your heads up high--you represented the program well.

As for the rest of the guys: let yourself feel the pain right now.  Don't forget it--use it.  You've got a chance to make it right--very few times in life do you get that chance, but you've got it.   Work hard this season and come back committed to finishing games.  The legendary Catholic teams in the past all had that in common--they knew how to finish.  You guys can do it too.



Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: ronk on February 25, 2009, 10:00:41 pm

Congrats to Merchant Marine, they played a tough game - one of those where the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story.

The Grove,
   How'd you rate the officiating? A friend did the game and I've seen one of the others ref and he was good; should have been a strong veteran crew.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: TheGrove on February 25, 2009, 10:02:52 pm

Congrats to Merchant Marine, they played a tough game - one of those where the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story.

The Grove,
   How'd you rate the officiating? A friend did the game and I've seen one of the others ref and he was good; should have been a strong veteran crew.

The crowd jawed at them a few times but I didn't see anything horrible. Pretty consistent.
Title: Re: Landmark Conference
Post by: BCannon on February 25, 2009, 11:07:09 pm