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Title: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Westside on May 04, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
Welcome to the West Regional! We return to the location of the 2015 West Regional, Tyler (TX). Talk about a perfect location for this year's regional, as the host team is rolling in 2017!

Venue:
Irwin Field. Tyler, TX.
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Regional Website: http://www.uttylerpatriots.com/baseball/news/2016-17/5552/tournament-central-ncaa-diii-west-regional/




Teams:
1. Texas-Tyler (39-7)
2. Cal Lutheran (31-10)
3. Centenary (34-8)
4. Linfield (30-13)
5. Concordia (TX) (28-16)
6. Rhodes (25-19)




Team Stats:

Texas-Tyler: .327 Batting Average, 3.50 ERA, .972 Fielding %
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Cal Lutheran: .311 Batting Average, 3.17 ERA, .974 Fielding %
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Centenary: .349 Batting Average, 3.30 ERA, .972 Fielding %.
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Linfield: .304 Batting Average, 3.26 ERA, .967 Fielding %.
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Concordia: .305 Batting Average, 3.92 ERA, .949 Fielding %
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Rhodes: .274 Batting Average, 4.08 ERA, .969 Fielding
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Weather:
Thursday: 86 and sunny.
Friday: 89 and sunny.
Saturday: 89 and sunny.
Sunday: 89 and cloudy.
Monday: 88 and cloudy.




Round One:

Texas-Tyler vs. Rhodes
Cal Lutheran vs. Concordia
Centenary vs. Linfield
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalBaseballfan on May 05, 2017, 02:18:46 AM
Nice to see  30 win teams in so far
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 05, 2017, 07:40:07 AM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 05, 2017, 02:18:46 AM
Nice to see  30 win teams in so far

I'm not sure what your hang up is with the 30 win mark. Getting to 30 wins isnt the magic number, ask Illinois Wesleyan a few years back when they barely made it and won the whole thing.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 05, 2017, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 05, 2017, 07:40:07 AM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 05, 2017, 02:18:46 AM
Nice to see  30 win teams in so far

I'm not sure what your hang up is with the 30 win mark. Getting to 30 wins isnt the magic number, ask Illinois Wesleyan a few years back when they barely made it and won the whole thing.

In 2010 Illinois Wesleyan made it into the tournament at 23-20 because they EARNED it by winning their conference tournament.  They went 8-1 over the next 9 games to win the National Championship with a record of 31-21.  The fact that they didn't have a 30 win (hell, they were barely over 20) season meant nothing after the fact that they earned their rings.  I've seen 30 win teams go to a regional and get knocked out in 2 games so I think that argument stinks.  We played Chapman in '99 and they were 37-3 and we beat them twice in the regional and went to the WS. 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 05, 2017, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 04, 2017, 12:54:26 PM
Welcome to the West Regional! We return to the location of the 2015 West Regional, Tyler (TX). Talk about a perfect location for this year's regional, as the host team is rolling in 2017!

Venue:
Irwin Field. Tyler, TX.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.streamlinetechnologies.com%2Futtylerpatriots%2F19DF74D8-4C56-4679-B4F6-BB4C192EFC08%2FIrwinField14.png&hash=b932555160b5889755eba8b215a7ea2479ab26c2)



It really is a great ballpark and Tyler is a neat little town.  Covered and uncovered seating for those who might want to work on their bronze a little.  Softball will probably be playing that weekend too and parking isn't the greatest but it's a very nice complex all around.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 05, 2017, 02:30:11 PM
Good location for a Regional, about an 1-1/2 hour drive from Dallas. Lots of affordable hotels that are close to the field. Lots of restaurants and of course there is a must visit BBQ spot Stanley's!

Two years ago when it "was flooding down in Texas" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjdMLAMbM0) the grounds crew did a great job in keeping the fields playable even though the rest of the area was underwater.

...and there won't be no Alien festival, parade or such tomfoolery go'in on.  :o

Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: wildcat11 on May 05, 2017, 06:23:59 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 05, 2017, 02:30:11 PM
...and there won't be no Alien festival, parade or such tomfoolery go'in on.  :o

Yeah, you guys are going to be missing out not have the regional up in good old McMinnville.

(https://redtricom.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/ufo-fest-3.jpg?w=1024&h=682)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Possible Teams:
1. SCAC Centenary (34-8)
2. SCIAC Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3. NWC Linfield (30-13)
4. ASC - TBD
5. POOL A/B/C
6. POOL A/B/C
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 07, 2017, 06:17:02 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Possible Teams:
1. SCAC Centenary (34-8)
2. SCIAC Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3. NWC Linfield (30-13)
4. ASC - TBD
5. POOL A/B/C
6. POOL A/B/C

Looks about right
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Possible Teams:
1. SCAC Centenary (34-8)
2. SCIAC Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3. NWC Linfield (30-13)
4. ASC - TBD
5. POOL A/B/C
6. POOL A/B/C

Whoever wins tonights Tyler/CTX game should be comfortably in, regardless of what happens next week against ETBU.  Whoever loses tonight better root for the other to beat ETBU next weekend. I think it will be like last year where a Pool C from outside the West will be sent to Tyler.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 07, 2017, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Possible Teams:
1. SCAC Centenary (34-8)
2. SCIAC Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3. NWC Linfield (30-13)
4. ASC - TBD
5. POOL A/B/C
6. POOL A/B/C

Whoever wins tonights Tyler/CTX game should be comfortably in, regardless of what happens next week against ETBU.  Whoever loses tonight better root for the other to beat ETBU next weekend. I think it will be like last year where a Pool C from outside the West will be sent to Tyler.

If I had to break out my crystal ball, I see Ramapo being sent to Texas Tyler.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 07:44:54 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 07, 2017, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Possible Teams:
1. SCAC Centenary (34-8)
2. SCIAC Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3. NWC Linfield (30-13)
4. ASC - TBD
5. POOL A/B/C
6. POOL A/B/C

Whoever wins tonights Tyler/CTX game should be comfortably in, regardless of what happens next week against ETBU.  Whoever loses tonight better root for the other to beat ETBU next weekend. I think it will be like last year where a Pool C from outside the West will be sent to Tyler.

If I had to break out my crystal ball, I see Ramapo being sent to Texas Tyler.
The days of the West getting 6 teams in the West Regional seems to be days of the past.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 07, 2017, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Possible Teams:
1. SCAC Centenary (34-8)
2. SCIAC Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3. NWC Linfield (30-13)
4. ASC - TBD
5. POOL A/B/C
6. POOL A/B/C

Whoever wins tonights Tyler/CTX game should be comfortably in, regardless of what happens next week against ETBU.  Whoever loses tonight better root for the other to beat ETBU next weekend. I think it will be like last year where a Pool C from outside the West will be sent to Tyler.

If I had to break out my crystal ball, I see Ramapo being sent to Texas Tyler.

Rhodes might change that as they beat Birmingham Southern twice today to get an auto-bid.  Memphis is right at 400 miles from Tyler.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 07, 2017, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 07, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 07, 2017, 04:57:58 PM
You can add Cal Lu to the mix as they beat Redlands for the SCIAC Tournament title.
Possible Teams:
1. SCAC Centenary (34-8)
2. SCIAC Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3. NWC Linfield (30-13)
4. ASC - TBD
5. POOL A/B/C
6. POOL A/B/C

Whoever wins tonights Tyler/CTX game should be comfortably in, regardless of what happens next week against ETBU.  Whoever loses tonight better root for the other to beat ETBU next weekend. I think it will be like last year where a Pool C from outside the West will be sent to Tyler.

If I had to break out my crystal ball, I see Ramapo being sent to Texas Tyler.

Rhodes might change that as they beat Birmingham Southern twice today to get an auto-bid.  Memphis is right at 400 miles from Tyler.
Yes. 

At this minute, with UTT and CTX tied at 12 in the CTX bottom of the 8th, the "two plane flight bracket" would be

Linfield
Cal Lu
ETBU as the ASC Pool A bid next week.
Centenary as the SCAC Pool A bid
Rhodes as the SAA Pool A bid.
UT-Tyler which lost the series 2 games to 1 as a Pool C

Penny pinchers are rooting for the Patriots.

Final.  UTT 13 CTX 12.  UTT versus ETBU next weekend
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 08, 2017, 09:13:00 AM
If ETBU were to win this coming weekend, I would think that bodes very poorly for Concordia.  I don't see the ASC getting 3 teams in, but if Tyler wins, I think Concordia still has a pretty good shot.  This is the way I see things shaping up if Tyler wins.

1. Centenary
2. Cal Lu
3. Tyler
4. Linfield
5. Concordia
6. Rhodes

If ETBU wins, I see it this way

1. Centenary
2. Cal Lu
3. Linfield
4. Tyler
5. ETBU
6. Rhodes
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 08, 2017, 12:21:54 PM
If UTT wins i expect that they will be higher than 3rd in the region.  With ETBU winning this week they should be regionally ranked along with CTX.  That would mean UTT could have a 7-2 record against regionally ranked opponents. They were 3-1 last week. The ASC tournament changed everything. They jump Centenaary at least.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalBaseballfan on May 08, 2017, 01:02:27 PM
I am in total agreement with pool A bids winning on the field by winning their conference tournaments. I view that as round 1 of the playoffs
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 08, 2017, 01:14:26 PM
I would not expect Rhodes to be sent to the West.  There is a glut of Mid-Atlantic, New York and New England teams, so expect a team like Ramapo headed West.  The Midwest regional will take all those north and west of St. Louis which leaves the Central filled with the neighborhood that includes Rhodes and the western edge of the Mideast.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
West               
1.   Texas-Tyler      
2.   Cal Lutheran   
3.   Centenary (Louisiana)      
4.   Linfield   
5.   Concordia University Texas      
6.   East Texas Baptist      
7.   Chapman      
8.   Redlands      
                                   
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
West               
1.   Texas-Tyler      
2.   Cal Lutheran   
3.   Centenary (Louisiana)      
4.   Linfield   
5.   Concordia University Texas      
6.   East Texas Baptist      
7.   Chapman      
8.   Redlands      
                                   
Gotta give props to Jim Dixon on Concordia's (CTX) position.

If ETBU wins the Pool A, then CTX is way out on the bubble.
If UT-Tyler wins 2 of 3 against ETBU, is that enough to boost ETBU over CTX, which lost to UTT 2 games to 1 last weekend?
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 11, 2017, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
West               
1.   Texas-Tyler      
2.   Cal Lutheran   
3.   Centenary (Louisiana)      
4.   Linfield   
5.   Concordia University Texas      
6.   East Texas Baptist      
7.   Chapman      
8.   Redlands      
                                   
Gotta give props to Jim Dixon on Concordia's (CTX) position.

If ETBU wins the Pool A, then CTX is way out on the bubble.
If UT-Tyler wins 2 of 3 against ETBU, is that enough to boost ETBU over CTX, which lost to UTT 2 games to 1 last weekend?

IF UT-Tyler wins, It wouldn't surprise me if only 4 West 'A' teams made it into the West Region; with CTX or ETBU left out.   
Two non-Wests  could be driven or flown in.

This would be similar to 2014 Linfield Hosting:

Linfield
LeTourneau
Cal Lutheran
Trinity (Texas)

Illinois Wesleyan
UW-Stevens Point

Chapman, 30 wins but Ranked 6th regionally left home.
George Fox, ranked 4th and local.. also left home.

That year, J Parkman predicted:
1. Linfield
2. Cal Lu
3. Trinity

4. George Fox
5. LeTu
6. Illinois Wesleyan, John Carroll or St. Norbert

And G.Fox was surprisingly left home and "replaced" with UW-Stevens Point (who lost in Finals to Linfield 4-2, after defeating CLU 9-7 in 12 innings the night before)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 11, 2017, 10:32:07 PM
The new rankings confirmed what I thought. The ASC tournament changed everything aand boosted UTT to the top. With both CTX and ETB ranked UTT has the best win loss ratio and most games against regional ranked teams. The playoff structure and balance in the ASC with 4 real good teams made up for a weaker non-conference schedule.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2017, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 11, 2017, 10:32:07 PM
The new rankings confirmed what I thought. The ASC tournament changed everything aand boosted UTT to the top. With both CTX and ETB ranked UTT has the best win loss ratio and most games against regional ranked teams. The playoff structure and balance in the ASC with 4 real good teams made up for a weaker non-conference schedule.

I think you could be off a little on that as I am counting UTT at 5-3 against regionally ranked teams, Cal Lu is 7-3 (1-1 vs Linfield, 3-0 vs Chapman, 3-2 vs Redlands).  I'm honestly too lazy to look at the rest of the teams but I expect UTT to take care of business and stay #1. 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 12, 2017, 01:27:12 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 11, 2017, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 11, 2017, 10:32:07 PM
The new rankings confirmed what I thought. The ASC tournament changed everything aand boosted UTT to the top. With both CTX and ETB ranked UTT has the best win loss ratio and most games against regional ranked teams. The playoff structure and balance in the ASC with 4 real good teams made up for a weaker non-conference schedule.

I think you could be off a little on that as I am counting UTT at 5-3 against regionally ranked teams, Cal Lu is 7-3 (1-1 vs Linfield, 3-0 vs Chapman, 3-2 vs Redlands).  I'm honestly too lazy to look at the rest of the teams but I expect UTT to take care of business and stay #1.

JP, I started to look at each team and CLU had most games and wins of the top 4.   Alas, I was doing this from work and couldn't finish the review.   Maybe I can finish top 4 west regional " vs RR" review in the morning.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 12, 2017, 08:59:28 AM
Here is how the West breaks down vs RRO

1. UTT: 5-3; 1-1 vs Centenary, 2-1 vs ETBU, 2-1 vs CTX
2. Cal Lu: 7-3; 3-0 vs Chapman, 1-1 vs Linfield, 3-2 vs Redlands
3. Centenary: 5-2; 1-1 vs Redlands, 3-0 vs ETBU, 1-1 vs UTT
4. Linfield: 2-3; 1-1 vs Cal Lu, 0-2 vs Chapman, 1-0 vs Redlands
5. CTX: 5-6; 1-2 vs Birmingham Southern, 2-0 vs CU Chicago, 1-2 vs ETBU, 1-2 vs UTT
6. ETBU: 3-6; 0-3 vs Centenary, 2-1 vs CTX, 1-2 vs UTT
7. Chapman: 8-7; 2-0 vs Linfield, 0-3 vs Cal Lu, 2-1 vs CU Wisconsin, 1-0 vs Ithaca, 3-3 vs Redlands
8. Redlands: 7-8; 1-1 vs Centenary, 0-1 vs Linfield, 3-3 vs Chapman, 1-0 vs Ithaca, 2-3 vs Cal Lu

This could be a little bit overly influenced due to the ASC and SCIAC both having 3 teams in the rankings but it gives a little snapshot into it all.  Everyone is done with the exception of UTT and ETBU playing this weekend and if UTT wins, they will be the #1 with CTX being the first Pool C from the West on the board.  I have zero idea how they stack up nationally but I think it should be pretty solid due to SOS.  If ETBU wins, UTT is the first Pool C on the board and thats probably all she wrote for CTX, then ship in a team from out of the region.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 12, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
I was a little off has I had included in the UTT total their two wins against Trinity which has fallen out of the regional ranking this week. 

Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 12, 2017, 06:27:59 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 08, 2017, 01:14:26 PM
I would not expect Rhodes to be sent to the West.  There is a glut of Mid-Atlantic, New York and New England teams, so expect a team like Ramapo headed West.  The Midwest regional will take all those north and west of St. Louis which leaves the Central filled with the neighborhood that includes Rhodes and the western edge of the Mideast.

Process question:

When assigning the 14 Pool C teams,

1) Do they start with reviewing all 8 regions, and then any Region #1 that didn't make Pool A would be 1st in Pool C,
then the 8 Regional #2's, then 3's, then 4's, etc...
ie... Birmingham South #1 in South Region, but not a Pool A.   Birm South would get selected in first pass of Pool C selections.


IF UTT wins and is #1; and CTX stays at #5 in the Region;
There may be more than 14 #1-#4 seeds that didn't get automatic Pool A bids.
If so, then CTX may get passed over and West only have 4 teams representing us (like in 2014)


or
2)  Because of the disparate # of teams in each Regional Rankings,
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2017, 06:47:20 PM
 The Pool A bids are pulled off the table.
After the Pool B teams are allocated from the Regional Rankings (imagine WashU St Louis and Emory for the sake of this discussion) then the selection committee goes reviews the remaining teams in the regional rankings, putting one on the board from each region.
The bid awarded to the best team by the Primary Criteria (and rarely the secondary criteria) found in the Handbook. A #3 seed in one region might be selected ahead of a #1 seed in another region.
After the first one is pulled off, the next team in that region is brought to the table.
The 8 teams are considered again and a bid is given. The next team in line from that region is brought to the table.
The process repeats itself until the 14 bids are awarded.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 13, 2017, 12:49:24 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2017, 06:47:20 PM
The Pool A bids are pulled off the table.
After the Pool B teams are allocated from the Regional Rankings (imagine WashU St Louis and Emory for the sake of this discussion) then the selection committee goes reviews the remaining teams in the regional rankings, putting one on the board from each region.
The bid awarded to the best team by the Primary Criteria (and rarely the secondary criteria) found in the Handbook. A #3 seed in one region might be selected ahead of a #1 seed in another region.
After the first one is pulled off, the next team in that region is brought to the table.
The 8 teams are considered again and a bid is given. The next team in line from that region is brought to the table.
The process repeats itself until the 14 bids are awarded.

Thanks for the very clear explanation!!

Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalBaseballfan on May 13, 2017, 09:13:06 PM
ASC - Texas-Tyler
NWC - Linfield
SCAC - Centenary (LA)
SCIAC - Cal Lutheran
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 13, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 13, 2017, 09:13:06 PM
ASC - Texas-Tyler
NWC - Linfield
SCAC - Centenary (LA)
SCIAC - Cal Lutheran

I have no idea what is going on around the rest of the country (Pool C) but I think those 4 schools with be joined by Concordia (TX) and an out of region team.
my Matchups are...

1. UT Tyler vs a team out of the Region
2. Cal Lu vs Concordia (TX)
3. Linfield vs Centenary
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalBaseballfan on May 13, 2017, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 13, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 13, 2017, 09:13:06 PM
ASC - Texas-Tyler
NWC - Linfield
SCAC - Centenary (LA)
SCIAC - Cal Lutheran

I have no idea what is going on around the rest of the country (Pool C) but I think those 4 schools with be joined by Concordia (TX) and an out of region team.
my Matchups are...

1. UT Tyler vs a team out of the Region
2. Cal Lu vs Concordia (TX) (4th place team 28-16)
3. Linfield vs Centenary
Staying home
Texas-Dallas 33-11
East Texas Baptist 30-15
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 14, 2017, 12:22:24 AM
I hope ETBU gets in. They played UTT very tough and both games went extra innings. Sometimes it is not the fact that you lost but how well you played that should account for something. ETBU was the underdog playing on UTT home field in front of a predominantly UTT fan base. They battled back and forth in game 1 pushing it into 13 innings before UTT won on a passed ball. The second game was a defensive jewel until the very end when ETBU pitching gave up 12 hits through 9 innings but the defense rose and only allowed one run across. They broke down in the 10th but are a much better team than the one that lost 3 games to Centenary back in March.   
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 14, 2017, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2017, 06:47:20 PM
The Pool A bids are pulled off the table.
After the Pool B teams are allocated from the Regional Rankings (imagine WashU St Louis and Emory for the sake of this discussion) then the selection committee goes reviews the remaining teams in the regional rankings, putting one on the board from each region.
The bid awarded to the best team by the Primary Criteria (and rarely the secondary criteria) found in the Handbook. A #3 seed in one region might be selected ahead of a #1 seed in another region.
After the first one is pulled off, the next team in that region is brought to the table.
The 8 teams are considered again and a bid is given. The next team in line from that region is brought to the table.
The process repeats itself until the 14 bids are awarded.

Reviewing Ralph's post,

Based on Tyler Texas wins,  CTX should be top Seeded West Pool C candidate.
I don't expect there are 14 other Pool C candidates... So My final prediction is for their inclusion as Pool C in west, with another Pool C brought in from another Region.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 14, 2017, 10:27:11 PM
we like CTX coming off the table early on

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2017/2017-playoff-projections
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 15, 2017, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 14, 2017, 10:27:11 PM
we like CTX coming off the table early on

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2017/2017-playoff-projections

Will the Pool C list come out today?  Or maƱana?
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 15, 2017, 12:06:24 PM
West Region Hosted by The University of Texas at Tyler, Tyler, Texas
1. Texas-Tyler
2. Cal Lutheran
3. Centenary (La.)
4. Linfield
5. Concordia (Texas)
6. Rhodes

I'm not sure if there are any strong favorites in this bunch. Thoughts?
I do like how UTT battled through their conference tournament and being the number one seed gives them the advantage, plus they have been playing right up to the tournament. I don't like teams having to sit around for 3 weeks. Trinity used to have this problem and moved their schedules back. This could hurt Linfield, at least for the first game. Should be a well balanced regional from what I can tell.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 15, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
These tournaments normally come down to pitching depth and defense. Not familiar with all these teams make up. Dominating starting pitching with a good bullpen is what I would look for.  UTT has pitching depth and some good starters but no dominant ace. They won the ASC tournament through a refusal to loose mindset. If these teams are all evenly matched then that type of mindset might carry the day.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2017, 05:36:09 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 15, 2017, 12:06:24 PM
West Region Hosted by The University of Texas at Tyler, Tyler, Texas
1. Texas-Tyler
2. Cal Lutheran
3. Centenary (La.)
4. Linfield
5. Concordia (Texas)
6. Rhodes

I'm not sure if there are any strong favorites in this bunch. Thoughts?
I do like how UTT battled through their conference tournament and being the number one seed gives them the advantage, plus they have been playing right up to the tournament. I don't like teams having to sit around for 3 weeks. Trinity used to have this problem and moved their schedules back. This could hurt Linfield, at least for the first game. Should be a well balanced regional from what I can tell.
I like how balanced this field is.

There is not a dominant Trinity 2015/2016 team in this field, but depending on the first round draw for the D3 World Series, I can see the West Winner going 1-2 in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalBaseballfan on May 15, 2017, 09:01:47 PM
1.Texas-Tyler(39-7)
2.Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3.Centenary-LA(34-8)
4.Linfield(30-13)
5.Concordia-Texas(29-16)    Lost 2 of 3 to East Texas Baptist(30-15) and lost to McMurry(11-25)
6. Rhodes(25-19) (Winning 30 plus wins in the West dont mean much since SOS rules over on the field wins) but 19 losses is ok.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2017, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 15, 2017, 09:01:47 PM
1.Texas-Tyler(39-7)
2.Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3.Centenary-LA(34-8)
4.Linfield(30-13)
5.Concordia-Texas(29-16)    Lost 2 of 3 to East Texas Baptist(30-15) and lost to McMurry(11-25)
6. Rhodes(25-19) (Winning 30 plus wins in the West dont mean much since SOS rules over on the field wins) but 19 losses is ok.
Rhodes is the Pool A bid from the SAA. They beat BSC 2 out of 3 in the Conference tourney.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 15, 2017, 09:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2017, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: SoCalBaseballfan on May 15, 2017, 09:01:47 PM
1.Texas-Tyler(39-7)
2.Cal Lutheran(31-10)
3.Centenary-LA(34-8)
4.Linfield(30-13)
5.Concordia-Texas(29-16)    Lost 2 of 3 to East Texas Baptist(30-15) and lost to McMurry(11-25)
6. Rhodes(25-19) (Winning 30 plus wins in the West dont mean much since SOS rules over on the field wins) but 19 losses is ok.
Rhodes is the Pool A bid from the SAA. They beat BSC 2 out of 3 in the Conference tourney.

2010 national champion IWU entered the tourney with 20 losses.

Never underestimate any team that gets hot at the right time.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
This will help with understanding the at-large process.

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2017/breaking-down-at-large

Pat Coleman gives a primer to any coach or AD who doesn't know this stuff (or may not have the budget to get a good trip to where regionally ranked teams play.)

I am seeing good trend of going to tourneys in February in the South as well as the Arizona tourneys to which many schools have gone this year and in the past.

Nationwide, the really big tourneys, where teams rack up games versus RR opponents, are in March when ASC conference play has begun.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 15, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
This will help with understanding the at-large process.

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2017/breaking-down-at-large

Pat Coleman gives a primer to any coach or AD who doesn't know this stuff (or may not have the budget to get a good trip to where regionally ranked teams play.)

I am seeing good trend of going to tourneys in February in the South as well as the Arizona tourneys to which many schools have gone this year and in the past.



Nationwide, the really big tourneys, where teams rack up games versus RR opponents, are in March when ASC conference play has begun.

This really is a great article.  A lot of talk on Twitter right now about CTX getting in over ETBU.  I understand the frustration but it shows the general lack of understanding by a majority D3 fans.  I don't mean to sound negative on that either, I just mean it as this is the first time ETBU has been in this position so the background isn't there.  It goes to show how fast the dominos fall when teams get pushed into Pool C.

My Senior year we were 30-10 and stayed home because we failed to win our conference.  We had a 2nd round pick on our staff and 3 other guys who were drafted.  There was nobody we could blame but ourselves.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2017, 11:19:18 PM
Most of the talk I've seen on Twitter is one ETBU senior who refuses to understand the way Pool C selection works.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 15, 2017, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2017, 11:19:18 PM
Most of the talk I've seen on Twitter is one ETBU senior who refuses to understand the way Pool C selection works.

True.  Hopefully he looks back one day as one of the seniors who started a winning tradition there.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2017, 11:19:18 PM
Most of the talk I've seen on Twitter is one ETBU senior who refuses to understand the way Pool C selection works.

And someone from the athletic training staff.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 12:12:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
This will help with understanding the at-large process.

http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2017/breaking-down-at-large

Pat Coleman gives a primer to any coach or AD who doesn't know this stuff (or may not have the budget to get a good trip to where regionally ranked teams play.)

I am seeing good trend of going to tourneys in February in the South as well as the Arizona tourneys to which many schools have gone this year and in the past.

Nationwide, the really big tourneys, where teams rack up games versus RR opponents, are in March when ASC conference play has begun.

Thanks -- in fairness, St. Thomas and Wheaton (Mass.) and UW-La Crosse provide the primer and I just observed and wrote about it.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 16, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
Improving the SOS is the key and as Ralph pointed out most of the ASC teams start conference play in March. So that leaves February to get games in against quality opponents. UTT has had travel budget issues and to compensate hosts the Clements Fluids Classic tournament early in the year. This past year there were 4 teams. Trinity, Centenary, Mary Hardin Baylor and UTT. In the past Texas Lutheran had played in this tournament. ETBU could easily be in it.  It is always a crap shoot as to how good the teams are going to be. You schedule the games a year in advance and hope that the competition will be quality. No way you can tell that a team is going to be regionally ranked at the end of the year. That is true with any tournament.  The other problem is that a team can be mediocre in the early part of the season and lose games in such a tournament but improve dramatically by the end of the season. I think that was the case with ETBU this year. The timing of the wins and losses are not considered or weighted. So a win or loss in Feb against a regionally ranked team is weighted the same as win or loss in May. Not suggesting any fixes just pointing out the reality.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
Yet if you are looking at the teams I cited in that piece, which ended up on lots of at-large contenders' schedules, they basically are good every year. Hard to go wrong scheduling St. Thomas, St. Scholastica, UW-La Crosse, UW-Whitewater, Concordia-Chicago, Wartburg, Southern Maine, Wheaton (Mass.), etc.

Whereas Schreiner, Southwestern, University of Dallas are at the opposite end.

If finances are the only possible consideration in scheduling, well, that's unfortunate but you still have the ability to go win the automatic bid and get in. But if you don't schedule like you want to be considered for an at-large bid, you may not get one.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 16, 2017, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
Improving the SOS is the key and as Ralph pointed out most of the ASC teams start conference play in March. So that leaves February to get games in against quality opponents. UTT has had travel budget issues and to compensate hosts the Clements Fluids Classic tournament early in the year. This past year there were 4 teams. Trinity, Centenary, Mary Hardin Baylor and UTT. In the past Texas Lutheran had played in this tournament. ETBU could easily be in it.  It is always a crap shoot as to how good the teams are going to be. You schedule the games a year in advance and hope that the competition will be quality. No way you can tell that a team is going to be regionally ranked at the end of the year. That is true with any tournament.  The other problem is that a team can be mediocre in the early part of the season and lose games in such a tournament but improve dramatically by the end of the season. I think that was the case with ETBU this year. The timing of the wins and losses are not considered or weighted. So a win or loss in Feb against a regionally ranked team is weighted the same as win or loss in May. Not suggesting any fixes just pointing out the reality.

The SCIAC started conference games in the middle of February and they played 24, just like the ASC.  It does stink that a lot of schools cannot travel due to budgets but that is where fundraising comes in.  There is always a way to get things done if you want them bad enough.  I wish more schools would be willing to meet in Dallas or in AZ for 4-5 games early on.  Yes, some of the teams you end up playing might not end up having great years, but that is a risk you take. 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 16, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
Improving the SOS is the key and as Ralph pointed out most of the ASC teams start conference play in March. So that leaves February to get games in against quality opponents. UTT has had travel budget issues and to compensate hosts the Clements Fluids Classic tournament early in the year. This past year there were 4 teams. Trinity, Centenary, Mary Hardin Baylor and UTT. In the past Texas Lutheran had played in this tournament. ETBU could easily be in it.  It is always a crap shoot as to how good the teams are going to be. You schedule the games a year in advance and hope that the competition will be quality. No way you can tell that a team is going to be regionally ranked at the end of the year. That is true with any tournament.  The other problem is that a team can be mediocre in the early part of the season and lose games in such a tournament but improve dramatically by the end of the season. I think that was the case with ETBU this year. The timing of the wins and losses are not considered or weighted. So a win or loss in Feb against a regionally ranked team is weighted the same as win or loss in May. Not suggesting any fixes just pointing out the reality.
Respectfully, playing round-robin Trinity, Centenary, UMHB and UTT are kinda like "eating your own".  Getting two or three of our good SCAC/ASC teams to play one game each against Rhodes, Millsaps, maybe a Webster might help.

You need teams like DeSales, which annually comes to San Antonio.
Concordia-Chicago came to Concordia Texas on Concordia Chicago's spring trip to play Mid-Season CTX,  and I believe those 2 wins were THE DIFFERENCE for CTX.
UT-Tyler has gotten Castleton State to come to East Texas.

I realize the travel budget is consumed by 2 nights ion the road in Pineville LA or 3 nights on the road to Alpine, TX. Outside the South and West Regions, that is not a concern.

If you cannot go to Arizona where good West Region teams play in February or someplace in the southeast to get an Emory, a B-SC, or a LaGrange, then you need to figure out how you get quality teams to come to Texas to play several games and against several opponents, to increase the chance you play a regionally ranked team.


Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
Yet if you are looking at the teams I cited in that piece, which ended up on lots of at-large contenders' schedules, they basically are good every year. Hard to go wrong scheduling St. Thomas, St. Scholastica, UW-La Crosse, UW-Whitewater, Concordia-Chicago, Wartburg, Southern Maine, Wheaton (Mass.), etc.

Whereas Schreiner, Southwestern, University of Dallas are at the opposite end.

If finances are the only possible consideration in scheduling, well, that's unfortunate but you still have the ability to go win the automatic bid and get in. But if you don't schedule like you want to be considered for an at-large bid, you may not get one.
One other thought.

St Thomas is Pool C because they were upset by Macalester in the MIAC.
UW-La Crosse would win most conferences. They just could not get past UW-Whitewater. (Think ASC and frustration playing UMHB!)
Southern Maine is Pool C because of a strong UMass-Boston program.
Rowan is Pool C because the NJAC is a very good baseball conference.
Wheaton Mass is Pool C because of  very good Babson team.

If ETBU had eliminated UTT two weekends ago, and won the whole thing, then ETBU would be Pool A and UT-Tyler Pool C and CTX would have been regionally ranked behind UT-Tyler when the committee looked at the board.

In my opinion, the West Region (with its 36 teams) is the most balanced in the country. I believe that we have 15 West Region programs in the Top 100 of the 360 programs in D-3 and all but 3-5 programs are in the Top 150. WE haven't set ourselves apart from the rest of the pack the way that the other non-West Region Pool C teams do.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 16, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
In my opinion, the West Region (with its 36 teams) is the most balanced in the country. I believe that we have 15 West Region programs in the Top 100 of the 360 programs in D-3 and all but 3-5 programs are in the Top 150. WE haven't set ourselves apart from the rest of the pack the way that the other non-West Region Pool C teams do.

That is because Austin does not count after playing a schedule that did not qualify them for the post season. Well there were other reason they did not qualify for the post season. :)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 16, 2017, 06:21:12 PM
If any of you are going to be in Tyler don't hesitate to reach out and let me know.  I'll be there for the Thursday and Friday games for sure and possibly Saturday.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: D O.C. on May 16, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
QuoteThis could hurt Linfield, at least for the first game

That's the true odds. Perhaps that can be off-set by the fact the coach is retiring after the final game.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 16, 2017, 09:03:18 PM
I have learned over the years to never take Linfield for granted. While they travel well and are very, very well coached, there will be a ton of Centenary fans rooting them on because they are only 2 hours from home. If they can get up on Centenary early they have a decent shot. This is Centenary's first trip to a Regional so they may be a bit intimidated by the whole event and even though Linfield has not been to a Regional in a few years their coaches should have their team in the right frame of mind. Mental strength is so overlooked on the big stage, and every Linfield team I have seen is extremely mentally tough.

I like the fact that UTT had to battle through their conference final so they should rock solid mentally. Should be a really well matched regional, I am jealous that I can't be there. I believe UTT will win it but I don't think any of these teams have dominant pitching so it could get really interesting. I am personally routing for Centenary since they are carrying the SCAC banner. 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 16, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
In my opinion, the West Region (with its 36 teams) is the most balanced in the country. I believe that we have 15 West Region programs in the Top 100 of the 360 programs in D-3 and all but 3-5 programs are in the Top 150. WE haven't set ourselves apart from the rest of the pack the way that the other non-West Region Pool C teams do.

That is because Austin does not count after playing a schedule that did not qualify them for the post season. Well there were other reason they did not qualify for the post season. :)
When Jim said "Austin", I thought of the 'Roos. I appreciate his tongue-in-cheek.  ;-)
Congrats to the Tornadoes!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 17, 2017, 12:57:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 16, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
In my opinion, the West Region (with its 36 teams) is the most balanced in the country. I believe that we have 15 West Region programs in the Top 100 of the 360 programs in D-3 and all but 3-5 programs are in the Top 150. WE haven't set ourselves apart from the rest of the pack the way that the other non-West Region Pool C teams do.

That is because Austin does not count after playing a schedule that did not qualify them for the post season. Well there were other reason they did not qualify for the post season. :)
When Jim said "Austin", I thought of the 'Roos. I appreciate his tongue-in-cheek.  ;-)
Congrats to the Tornadoes!

I was thinking of Austin College.  It would have been interesting if they made the tournament, what the NCAA would do without enough D-III teams played.  This was the only team without a waiver and a non qualifying schedule
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2017, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
Yet if you are looking at the teams I cited in that piece, which ended up on lots of at-large contenders' schedules, they basically are good every year. Hard to go wrong scheduling St. Thomas, St. Scholastica, UW-La Crosse, UW-Whitewater, Concordia-Chicago, Wartburg, Southern Maine, Wheaton (Mass.), etc.

Whereas Schreiner, Southwestern, University of Dallas are at the opposite end.

If finances are the only possible consideration in scheduling, well, that's unfortunate but you still have the ability to go win the automatic bid and get in. But if you don't schedule like you want to be considered for an at-large bid, you may not get one.
One other thought.

St Thomas is Pool C because they were upset by Macalester in the MIAC.

St. Thomas wasn't seeded to win the MIAC -- Bethel was the top seed.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 17, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
Weather Forecast for Tyler - Rain in forecast especially on Saturday

https://www.wunderground.com/us/tx/tyler
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2017, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 17, 2017, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
Yet if you are looking at the teams I cited in that piece, which ended up on lots of at-large contenders' schedules, they basically are good every year. Hard to go wrong scheduling St. Thomas, St. Scholastica, UW-La Crosse, UW-Whitewater, Concordia-Chicago, Wartburg, Southern Maine, Wheaton (Mass.), etc.

Whereas Schreiner, Southwestern, University of Dallas are at the opposite end.

If finances are the only possible consideration in scheduling, well, that's unfortunate but you still have the ability to go win the automatic bid and get in. But if you don't schedule like you want to be considered for an at-large bid, you may not get one.
One other thought.

St Thomas is Pool C because they were upset by Macalester in the MIAC.

St. Thomas wasn't seeded to win the MIAC -- Bethel was the top seed.
Thank you. I assumed that the 4-team bracket had 4th place Macalester playing top seed Bethel and regular season co-champion St Thomas being the #2 seed.

I was very surprised at Macalester winning the MAIC tourney
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 17, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
The regional website

http://www.uttylerpatriots.com/baseball/news/2016-17/5552/tournament-central-ncaa-diii-west-regional/
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 17, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
Top Bats

This is a list of what I perceive to be each teams top two hitters.

Name                                 BA                         Hits                     HR                   RBIs
UTT
Trent Buckhorn                 .417                         53                      4                      35
Daniel Williams                 .414                         79                      8                      52

Cal Lutheran
Max Weinstein                  .356                         62                       4                     28
Gabe Gunter                    .358                          59                      4                      34

Centenary
Michael Schimp               .412                          56                       4                     46
Chris Zapata                   .393                          66                      12                    71

Linfield
Scott Hilpert                   .383                        54                        12                    40
Ben Andrews                  .361                        60                          6                    40

CTX
Carsen Novak                 .381                        53                          1                    19
Brett Leiferman             .378                        62                          2                    34

Rhodes 
Bill Munson                     .324                       35                          2                    22
Ryan Olive                      .290                      47                           2                    36
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2017, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 17, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
Top Bats

This is a list of what I perceive to be each teams top two hitters.

Name                                 BA                         Hits                     HR                   RBIs
UTT
Trent Buckhorn                 .417                         53                      4                      35
Daniel Williams                 .414                         79                      8                      52

Cal Lutheran
Max Weinstein                  .356                         62                       4                     28
Gabe Gunter                    .358                          59                      4                      34

Centenary
Michael Schimp               .412                          56                       4                     46
Chris Zapata                   .393                          66                      12                    71

Linfield
Scott Hilpert                   .383                        54                        12                    40
Ben Andrews                  .361                        60                          6                    40

CTX
Carsen Novak                 .381                        53                          1                    19
Brett Leiferman             .378                        62                          2                    34

Rhodes 
Bill Munson                     .324                       35                          2                    22
Ryan Olive                      .290                      47                           2                    36
Hilpert has a broken leg. 

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Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: BigPoppa on May 17, 2017, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 17, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
Top Bats

This is a list of what I perceive to be each teams top two hitters.

Name                                 BA                         Hits                     HR                   RBIs
UTT
Trent Buckhorn                 .417                         53                      4                      35
Daniel Williams                 .414                         79                      8                      52

Cal Lutheran
Max Weinstein                  .356                         62                       4                     28
Gabe Gunter                    .358                          59                      4                      34

Centenary
Michael Schimp               .412                          56                       4                     46
Chris Zapata                   .393                          66                      12                    71

Linfield
Scott Hilpert                   .383                        54                        12                    40
Ben Andrews                  .361                        60                          6                    40

CTX
Carsen Novak                 .381                        53                          1                    19
Brett Leiferman             .378                        62                          2                    34

Rhodes 
Bill Munson                     .324                       35                          2                    22
Ryan Olive                      .290                      47                           2                    36

71 RBIs!!! Wow.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: AllStar on May 17, 2017, 08:52:53 PM
*Bracket subject to change depending on results (especially Game 5)
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Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Purple Heys on May 18, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 17, 2017, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 17, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
Top Bats

Name                                 BA                         Hits                     HR                   RBIs
Centenary
Chris Zapata                .393                         66                      12                    71


71 RBIs!!! Wow.

71 RBI's from 66 hits!   That's a video game stat.   :o
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: wildcat11 on May 18, 2017, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 17, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
Weather Forecast for Tyler - Rain in forecast especially on Saturday

https://www.wunderground.com/us/tx/tyler

72 and sunny in McMinnville.....
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: D O.C. on May 18, 2017, 09:14:40 PM
Just dawned on me 'ol Robert Parish went to Centenary, didn't he?
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 18, 2017, 11:14:35 PM
D.O.D. Yes he did!

I caught a bit of the CLU/CTX and Cent/Linfield games on the feed.

UTT dug themselves a hole today, but they have done this before so they have the mental state to work back through the losers bracket.

Centenary looks like the team to beat although I did not see Rhodes/UTT game.

UTT vs CTX who are probably sick of each other by now...and one will even be sicker.

Big game is the CLU vs Centenary in the evening.

Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2017, 11:46:39 PM
http://stats.clusports.com/sports/bsb/2016-17/boxscores/20170518_n4gw.xml?view=plays

CTX had 2 on in the top of the 9th, no outs, and the tying run at the plate, who lines to the SS. Cal Lu gets the Triple Play!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 18, 2017, 11:14:35 PM
D.O.D. Yes he did!

I caught a bit of the CLU/CTX and Cent/Linfield games on the feed.

UTT dug themselves a hole today, but they have done this before so they have the mental state to work back through the losers bracket.

Centenary looks like the team to beat although I did not see Rhodes/UTT game.

UTT vs CTX who are probably sick of each other by now...and one will even be sicker.

Big game is the CLU vs Centenary in the evening.

CLU jumped out to early 5-0 lead after two innings and held on to win 6-3.   Game ending triple play with 2 CTX runners on definitely helps the cause.   Marshall P with a strong 8 innings, 10k outing leave CLU and bullpen in good shape going into Friday.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: AllStar on May 19, 2017, 01:19:18 AM
*Bracket subject to change depending on results (especially Game 5)
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Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2017, 11:46:39 PM
http://stats.clusports.com/sports/bsb/2016-17/boxscores/20170518_n4gw.xml?view=plays

CTX had 2 on in the top of the 9th, no outs, and the tying run at the plate, who lines to the SS. Cal Lu gets the Triple Play!

I was right behind the plate and that ball was absolutely smoked.  Heck of a way to end a game.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
 :o :o   West #1 seed, and Nationally Ranked #5 Texas Tyler could only manage 3 hits and are eliminated by CTX!

Congrats CTX for avoiding elimination and moving on to play again on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2017, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2017, 11:46:39 PM
http://stats.clusports.com/sports/bsb/2016-17/boxscores/20170518_n4gw.xml?view=plays

CTX had 2 on in the top of the 9th, no outs, and the tying run at the plate, who lines to the SS. Cal Lu gets the Triple Play!

I was right behind the plate and that ball was absolutely smoked.  Heck of a way to end a game.
That is the tying run at the plate. The rally caps are working. The dugout voo-doo is invoked.

That has got to be a "Walk-off Triple Play"!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
:o :o   West #1 seed, and Nationally Ranked #5 Texas Tyler could only manage 3 hits and are eliminated by CTX!

Congrats CTX for avoiding elimination and moving on to play again on Saturday.
Balance in the West Region.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2017, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
:o :o   West #1 seed, and Nationally Ranked #5 Texas Tyler could only manage 3 hits and are eliminated by CTX!

Congrats CTX for avoiding elimination and moving on to play again on Saturday.
Balance in the West Region.

Will depend on how the rest of the regional plays out -- this is a premature assumption which is favorable to the ASC but has only 40% of the precincts reporting, as it were.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2017, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2017, 11:46:39 PM
http://stats.clusports.com/sports/bsb/2016-17/boxscores/20170518_n4gw.xml?view=plays

CTX had 2 on in the top of the 9th, no outs, and the tying run at the plate, who lines to the SS. Cal Lu gets the Triple Play!

I was right behind the plate and that ball was absolutely smoked.  Heck of a way to end a game.
That is the tying run at the plate. The rally caps are working. The dugout voo-doo is invoked.

That has got to be a "Walk-off Triple Play"!

I'm guessing Walk Off Triple Play in Regionals is a rarity 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2017, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2017, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 19, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 18, 2017, 11:46:39 PM
http://stats.clusports.com/sports/bsb/2016-17/boxscores/20170518_n4gw.xml?view=plays

CTX had 2 on in the top of the 9th, no outs, and the tying run at the plate, who lines to the SS. Cal Lu gets the Triple Play!

I was right behind the plate and that ball was absolutely smoked.  Heck of a way to end a game.
That is the tying run at the plate. The rally caps are working. The dugout voo-doo is invoked.

That has got to be a "Walk-off Triple Play"!

I'm guessing Walk Off Triple Play in Regionals baseball is a rarity
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2017, 07:16:06 PM
Wow! Rhodes beat both UT-Tyler and Linfield.

Congratulations Coach Carnahan on an outstanding career at Linfield.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 07:26:39 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
:o :o   West #1 seed, and Nationally Ranked #5 Texas Tyler could only manage 3 hits and are eliminated by CTX!

Congrats CTX for avoiding elimination and moving on to play again on Saturday.

And now Linfield has gone 0-2.  Losing to Rhodes 11-7. 
Linfield gave up 23 runs in 2 games.

Rhodes has had strong play so far, defeating both Tex-Tyler and Linfield.
Their offense is doing well, scoring 18 runs in 2 games.


There will be 4 teams heading into Saturday:   CTX 1-1; Rhodes 2-0; CLU TBD; Centenary TBD
Rhodes will play the winner of the next game, CLU vs Centenary; While CTX awaits the loser.

If I have it right:
Game 6:   Centennary at CLU  Friday night
Game 7:   Rhodes vs Game 6 winner  Sat am
Game 8:   CTX vs Game 6 loser
Game 9:  Loser of 7 vs Winner of 8
Game 10: Winner Game 7 vs Winner Game 9
Game 11:  If necessary;


Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 11:17:06 PM
Another great pitching performance by CLU.  Nate Wehner complete game in CLU 8-2 victory.
CLU scored 5 in the fifth to break a scoreless tie, and a couple more in the 8th for good measure.

CLU heads to winners bracket vs Rhodes on Sat.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: AllStar on May 20, 2017, 12:01:14 AM
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Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2017, 12:13:39 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 19, 2017, 11:17:06 PM
Another great pitching performance by CLU.  Nate Wehner complete game in CLU 8-2 victory.
CLU scored 5 in the fifth to break a scoreless tie, and a couple more in the 8th for good measure.

CLU heads to winners bracket vs Rhodes on Sat.
Solid performance from CLU.  Long time CLU fans like what they see.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2017, 12:19:13 AM
Jack Parkman, it was good to meet you tonight.  Thanks for finding me.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Sluggerdad on May 20, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Cool that Cal LU is doing so well.  Wish my guy hadn't hung up his cleats.  But them are the breaks, as they say. 

Looked to me at first like this years team had significantly less talent than last year's team.  But they've gone farther already. 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: sportsfan on May 20, 2017, 09:25:49 AM
West seems very down this year.  UT Tyler does its usual 0-2 and done.   There is no Linfield 13 or Trinity 15 and 16 team in the field.  Those teams had Strong Arms and bats.    Rhodes is the team on a roll after beating Bir Southern last week on their turf.  Cal Lu has been so close all these years.   One of those teams should make its first appearance in Appleton. 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 20, 2017, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: Sluggerdad on May 20, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Cool that Cal LU is doing so well.  Wish my guy hadn't hung up his cleats.  But them are the breaks, as they say. 

Looked to me at first like this years team had significantly less talent than last year's team.  But they've gone farther already.

Their pitching has led them this year.  Once the rotation settled in; Marshall and Nate have been consistently good.  Roberts coming back from injury strengthened their rotation... Plus Newcomer of the year M Salud was a great pickup.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 20, 2017, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 20, 2017, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: Sluggerdad on May 20, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Cool that Cal LU is doing so well.  Wish my guy hadn't hung up his cleats.  But them are the breaks, as they say. 

Looked to me at first like this years team had significantly less talent than last year's team.  But they've gone farther already.

Their pitching has led them this year.  Once the rotation settled in; Marshall and Nate have been consistently good.  Roberts coming back from injury strengthened their rotation... Plus Newcomer of the year M Salud was a great pickup.

Cal Lu went ahead 10-1 in 5th and held on to defeated Rhodes 10-8.
Roberts started strong, middle relief really struggled before Salud closed out the final 2 1/3 innings.

Congrats CLU on getting to the Regional finals at 3-0!!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: AllStar on May 21, 2017, 12:16:15 AM
Through Saturday, 5/20
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Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 12:35:26 AM
Quote from: sportsfan on May 20, 2017, 09:25:49 AM
West seems very down this year.  UT Tyler does its usual 0-2 and done.   There is no Linfield 13 or Trinity 15 and 16 team in the field.  Those teams had Strong Arms and bats.    Rhodes is the team on a roll after beating Bir Southern last week on their turf.  Cal Lu has been so close all these years.   One of those teams should make its first appearance in Appleton.
Cal Lu went the Series in the late 1990's.
CTX went in 2002 under Mike Gardner.

I wish I had the URL for some of the old records that were kept at a WIAC school, and I am not sure where Jim Dixon's old records that were housed on a server at Bridgewater VA are.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 12:39:36 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2017, 12:19:13 AM
Jack Parkman, it was good to meet you tonight.  Thanks for finding me.

Great to meet you as well.  Always nice to put a face to the name.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 08:41:15 AM
CLU last went to the Series in 1999, went 2-2, eliminated by runner-up St Thomas. They were overall runner-up in 1996, losing to Wm Paterson NJ, 6-5 and to Wm Paterson in 1992, 3-1.

In 2002, Concordia TX lost to the Champion ECSU 5-4 in 10 innings and to Lakeland 3-2.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 08:41:15 AM
CLU last went to the Series in 1999, went 2-2, eliminated by runner-up St Thomas. They were overall runner-up in 1996, losing to Wm Paterson NJ, 6-5 and to Wm Paterson in 1992, 3-1.

In 2002, Concordia TX lost to the Champion ECSU 5-4 in 10 innings and to Lakeland 3-2.

In 1999 we went 3-0 in the West Regional and 2-2 in Salem.
West Regional at Georgetown, TX
W- Southwestern 8-3
W- Chapman 9-8
W- Chapman 5-2

CWS at Salem, VA
W- Cortland State 7-2
L- NC Wesleyan 6-5 (eventual National Champ)
W- Marietta 7-0 (beat Matt DeSalvo for a very rare loss in college for him)
L- St. Thomas 4-2 (eventual National Runner-up)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 12:47:42 PM
BASEBALL UPDATE: The DIII West Region final between Cal Lutheran and CTX has been changed to 4 p.m. at Mike Carter Field. ‬ This field is turf.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 21, 2017, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 12:47:42 PM
BASEBALL UPDATE: The DIII West Region final between Cal Lutheran and CTX has been changed to 4 p.m. at Mike Carter Field. ‬ This field is turf.

Thanks for the update!   Was wondering why LiveStat wasn't in progress!!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: AllStar on May 21, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
Through Sunday, 5/21
Congratulations to Cal Lutheran!
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Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 21, 2017, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: AllStar on May 21, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
Through Sunday, 5/21
Congratulations to Cal Lutheran!
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Agreed!!  Congratulations to CLU and Coach Slim!!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: AllStar on May 21, 2017, 08:42:18 PM
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Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 21, 2017, 08:58:49 PM
Thanks Allstar. +1 much appreciated.

Congrats to CLU and best of luck in Appleton representing the West. They get to enjoy the last one there, for the foreseeable future anyway.

I have to send a big shout out to Concordia who were the last ones seeded in the West, and nearly went all the way, fighting through their conference tournament, and then the West Regional. They should be very proud of their season. Like it has been said many times, it is not how you are playing at the beginning of the season it is how you are at the end.

As a side note, CLU better clean up their base running as they nearly ran themselves out of several games.

Congrats to them, the coaches and families. (as well as long time supporter and D3baseball contributor, Jack Parkman!)

I will be watching and routing for the Kingsmen!

Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 09:24:02 PM
Cal Lu defeated CTX with a walk-off Triple Play in the opener to win 6-3, and then got the 3-unassisted grounder third out with the bases loaded to win 9-7.

It was an interesting tournament. CTX really battled hard to make it back to the Finals. 

Good luck to CLU!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
My observation from this years Regional tournament...

1. I think Tyler is a great facility but forgetting to tarp the field last night just can't happen.  TX weather can say 10% chances and that means 100%.
2. The biggest difference between Cal Lu, Rhodes, Concordia, and the other three that didn't fare as well was simple....those teams wanted it more.  Concordia is crazy aggressive and they made you beat them.  It's amazing that they lost as many games as they did because they were a very good team.  Rhodes was as pesky of a team as i have ever seen.  Those guys came in and showed very well for a team that was only getting in by winning their conference tournament. 
3. The bats were hot for Cal Lu and that is the best they have hit all year.
4. Huge congrats to Slim and the rest of the CLU staff, especially Coach Scherer (pitching coach) who is in his 18th season at Cal Lu and is going to his first CWS.  This guy works as hard as anyone in the country for this program and it's great to see him finally get the opportunity to go.

Solid tournament all around with some real studs out there playing.  It will be interesting to see who makes it back next season.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 21, 2017, 08:58:49 PM

Congrats to them, the coaches and families. (as well as long time supporter and D3baseball contributor, Jack Parkman!)


Oh man, this has been a long time coming.  Can't wait to get to Wisconsin on Thursday!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
My observation from this years Regional tournament...

1. I think Tyler is a great facility but forgetting to tarp the field last night just can't happen.  TX weather can say 10% chances and that means 100%.



Gunter's 3-run HR is just a long fly ball to right field at Irwin Field! 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 10:17:33 PM
Doing a little 6th grade arithmetic on the Google Map satellite projection of Irwin Field, I calculate it is:

340 feet down the foul lines.
375 feet to the alleys in right and left center.
395 feet to straight away center.

Gunter's HR barely cleared the 361 distance at Mike Carter Field.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 21, 2017, 10:25:51 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
My observation from this years Regional tournament...


4. Huge congrats to Slim and the rest of the CLU staff, especially Coach Scherer (pitching coach) who is in his 18th season at Cal Lu and is going to his first CWS.  This guy works as hard as anyone in the country for this program and it's great to see him finally get the opportunity to go

JP, completely agree with Point #4 and comments regarding Scherer!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
My observation from this years Regional tournament...

1. I think Tyler is a great facility but forgetting to tarp the field last night just can't happen.  TX weather can say 10% chances and that means 100%.



Gunter's 3-run HR is just a long fly ball to right field at Irwin Field!

You know, I never thought of that!  Thanks to UT Tyler for forgetting the tarp last night.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 22, 2017, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
My observation from this years Regional tournament...

1. I think Tyler is a great facility but forgetting to tarp the field last night just can't happen.  TX weather can say 10% chances and that means 100%.



Gunter's 3-run HR is just a long fly ball to right field at Irwin Field!

You know, I never thought of that!  Thanks to UT Tyler for forgetting the tarp last night.

Thanks to the Rain, seems like there was Divine intervention for the Lutherans!!

Field dimensions aside, CLU had over 10 come from behind victories this year.  They know that trailing doesn't mean they have lost. 
They played in same field as a very strong CTX team and beat them on the field.  And also went 4-0 in the West Region!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: TexasBB on May 22, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
Congrats to both Cal Lutheran in winning and to CTX in making it to the regional finals!!

UTT needs to figure out how to win a regional. They had a real good team this year but like past years have flopped in the regionals. Not sure what it is but their regional record is very poor. They had a bunch of gut it out wins to take the ASC. Their battle through the losers bracket in the blue division ASC playoff to beat CTX twice and extra inning victories against ETBU last week made it appear that they were on a roll. But they basically did not show up at their home field against a field of teams they should have done well against.  Hopefully they will figure it out. Could be they put too much pressure on themselves. This field of teams at the regional was very balanced so who ever got hot at the right time had the advantage. Could be that UTT was burned out by the grueling ASC tournament.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 22, 2017, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
My observation from this years Regional tournament...

1. I think Tyler is a great facility but forgetting to tarp the field last night just can't happen.  TX weather can say 10% chances and that means 100%.



Gunter's 3-run HR is just a long fly ball to right field at Irwin Field!

You know, I never thought of that!  Thanks to UT Tyler for forgetting the tarp last night.

Thanks to the Rain, seems like there was Divine intervention for the Lutherans!!


Field dimensions aside, CLU had over 10 come from behind victories this year.  They know that trailing doesn't mean they have lost. 
They played in same field as a very strong CTX team and beat them on the field.  And also went 4-0 in the West Region!
I think that that might be inferred as denominational preference.

As I understand it,

Cal Lu in ELCA
CTX is Missouri Synod.

:)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 22, 2017, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 22, 2017, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on May 21, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
My observation from this years Regional tournament...

1. I think Tyler is a great facility but forgetting to tarp the field last night just can't happen.  TX weather can say 10% chances and that means 100%.



Gunter's 3-run HR is just a long fly ball to right field at Irwin Field!

You know, I never thought of that!  Thanks to UT Tyler for forgetting the tarp last night.

Thanks to the Rain, seems like there was Divine intervention for the Lutherans!!


Field dimensions aside, CLU had over 10 come from behind victories this year.  They know that trailing doesn't mean they have lost. 
They played in same field as a very strong CTX team and beat them on the field.  And also went 4-0 in the West Region!
I think that that might be inferred as denominational preference.

As I understand it,

Cal Lu in ELCA
CTX is Missouri Synod.

:)
;D ;D

If it was Concordia Texas Synods or Concordia Texas Lutherans...  then it would've balanced out.   Next year they should include their Denomination in their name to avoid "preference".    ;) ;)

;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 22, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 22, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
This field of teams at the regional was very balanced so who ever got hot at the right time had the advantage. Could be that UTT was burned out by the grueling ASC tournament.

I agree there were balanced teams this year, but I did not see a team like the previous Linfield, Chapman, or Trinity teams. (or even UWSP from a couple of years ago) They now get to take over the mantle of "best program in the West to not get to a CWS" from Trinity. As Trinity can attest, it is tough getting through a West Regional.

Thinking back on the UTT teams my son played against, I don't recall them ever having a pitcher that we feared like some from Chapman, Linfield, Whitworth, CLU, and some others. Maybe there is something there, but we never really feared going up against UTT.  Personally I think it had something to do with their horrible choice of uniforms, its hard to take a team seriously when they look they way they did sometimes. ;D

It might also be coaching also, the scrappy teams I always remember were Linfield, Chapman (old coach), SWU, TLU, CTX, Millsaps, Hendrix (coach now at SWU). Those teams we always knew could come back on us, even when we were supposedly in control in a tight game.   

Jack, enjoy the beer, cheese curds, and make sure you get back in town for fried fish Friday! (plan putting on 5 lbs!)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 23, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
One last post in the West before I switch over to the CWS thread.

It looks like CLU has a favorable draw, but as always you can not look ahead and just win the first game in front of you. They are lucky that they did not put a West team at the 10:00AM slot, but the downside for a 7:45PM start is that they very rarely start on time and you can end up playing at 10:00PM.

Best of luck to CLU in representing the West.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 23, 2017, 04:50:51 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 23, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
One last post in the West before I switch over to the CWS thread.

It looks like CLU has a favorable draw, but as always you can not look ahead and just win the first game in front of you. They are lucky that they did not put a West team at the 10:00AM slot, but the downside for a 7:45PM start is that they very rarely start on time and you can end up playing at 10:00PM.

Best of luck to CLU in representing the West.

Mr. 108, where is the CWS thread located? 
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: AllStar on May 23, 2017, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 23, 2017, 04:50:51 PM
Mr. 108, where is the CWS thread located?

Under National Topics, but I've put the link to it here:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cf7qmds82kkhoaf41k00a5iq5&topic=8642.msg1803327#new (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cf7qmds82kkhoaf41k00a5iq5&topic=8642.msg1803327#new)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 23, 2017, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: AllStar on May 23, 2017, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: SoCalSoxFan on May 23, 2017, 04:50:51 PM
Mr. 108, where is the CWS thread located?

Under National Topics, but I've put the link to it here:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cf7qmds82kkhoaf41k00a5iq5&topic=8642.msg1803327#new (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cf7qmds82kkhoaf41k00a5iq5&topic=8642.msg1803327#new)

Mr. Allstar:   Thank you
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 24, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on May 22, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: TexasBB on May 22, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
This field of teams at the regional was very balanced so who ever got hot at the right time had the advantage. Could be that UTT was burned out by the grueling ASC tournament.

Thinking back on the UTT teams my son played against, I don't recall them ever having a pitcher that we feared like some from Chapman, Linfield, Whitworth, CLU, and some others. Maybe there is something there, but we never really feared going up against UTT.  Personally I think it had something to do with their horrible choice of uniforms, its hard to take a team seriously when they look they way they did sometimes. ;D

It might also be coaching also, the scrappy teams I always remember were Linfield, Chapman (old coach), SWU, TLU, CTX, Millsaps, Hendrix (coach now at SWU). Those teams we always knew could come back on us, even when we were supposedly in control in a tight game.   


re: UTT pitching Campbell, Booher, Holland was a fierce threesome in '07. The latter 2 were underclassmen. Not scared to face, mind you, but 3 very good D3 arms.

Nate Jennings (St. Ed's transfer, I believe) was as unhittable as I've seen in D3 that year. Had a brief stint with the Blue Jays.

Yacko (Chapman) probably had best sheer stuff I saw in person.

JSG
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2017, 09:28:45 PM
Welcome back to the boards, JSG.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on May 25, 2017, 03:51:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2017, 09:28:45 PM
Welcome back to the boards, JSG.

Thanks, Ralph. I lurk a few times throughout the year.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: D O.C. on May 25, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
So, Knowledgeable Knuckleballers....I've read here in previous years it's the pitching that will win the CWSIII.

Who is on the inside track with the staff that can hold up?
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: mr_b on May 25, 2017, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on May 25, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
So, Knowledgeable Knuckleballers....I've read here in previous years it's the pitching that will win the CWSIII.

Who is on the inside track with the staff that can hold up?
Here is Pat Coleman's breakdown of the eight pitching staffs that will be in Appleton. (http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2017/armed-for-the-world-series)
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2017, 05:10:08 PM
Thanks for sharing the link -- it was a lot of work to compile that info and build that page but I figured even if only a few people read it, it would still be useful for us as a staff covering the series to have the info handy at a glance.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: mr_b on May 25, 2017, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2017, 05:10:08 PM
Thanks for sharing the link -- it was a lot of work to compile that info and build that page but I figured even if only a few people read it, it would still be useful for us as a staff covering the series to have the info handy at a glance.  :D
It's very informative, Pat.  It goes beyond just one or two pitchers and gives a much more complete picture of each staff.
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on May 25, 2017, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2017, 05:10:08 PM
Thanks for sharing the link -- it was a lot of work to compile that info and build that page but I figured even if only a few people read it, it would still be useful for us as a staff covering the series to have the info handy at a glance.  :D

Pat, your work is appreciated very much!   I read it the day you posted.    Well done and thank you!
Title: Re: 2017 West Regional - Tyler, TX
Post by: Purple Heys on May 26, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2017, 05:10:08 PM
Thanks for sharing the link -- it was a lot of work to compile that info and build that page but I figured even if only a few people read it, it would still be useful for us as a staff covering the series to have the info handy at a glance.  :D

I read it as soon as I saw it.  First class workup on the pitching outlook, tip of the cap to you, Pat.  A great primer for the Championship.  Thanks!