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jamtod

That behind the back 2 pt conversion was awesome though and I credit that with beginning my (now 9 year old) daughters love of football. We've only missed a few UST home games since then

OzJohnnie

Quote from: jamtod on December 04, 2019, 08:02:29 PM
That behind the back 2 pt conversion was awesome though and I credit that with beginning my (now 9 year old) daughters love of football. We've only missed a few UST home games since then

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Bartman

Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 04, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Meh.  St Thomas has a well-earned reputation for crashing victory formations.  They even did it against Mount in one of their losing Staggs (is there any other kind of Stagg for UST?  Well, no, there isn't).  Heck, you feel slighted if UST doesn't play dirty or cheap against you.

But come back to this when one of the LL teams' coaches organises a victory-celebrating team photo on the opposition side's mid-field logo.  Or goes for a two-point conversion with a blind, behind-the-back flip of the ball against a team that they went on to beat 80-3.  When that happens then you've got someone to complain about.  Until then, amateur hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgle8ZJll4
Hmmm...hadn't seen this.... I guess this partially explains Carleton's vote on the ouster of St. Thomas from the MIAC.
I was very impressed with the execution of the play by the Tommies; however, the timing of the play call by Coach Caruso(Ithaca '96) , not so much. +k to Oz for the contribution and good luck against Wheaton, I heard Coach Caruso has the time this week to draw up a 2 point conversion play for the Johnnies. ;D
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Jonny Utah

Quote from: Bartman on December 05, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 04, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Meh.  St Thomas has a well-earned reputation for crashing victory formations.  They even did it against Mount in one of their losing Staggs (is there any other kind of Stagg for UST?  Well, no, there isn't).  Heck, you feel slighted if UST doesn't play dirty or cheap against you.

But come back to this when one of the LL teams' coaches organises a victory-celebrating team photo on the opposition side's mid-field logo.  Or goes for a two-point conversion with a blind, behind-the-back flip of the ball against a team that they went on to beat 80-3.  When that happens then you've got someone to complain about.  Until then, amateur hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgle8ZJll4
Hmmm...hadn't seen this.... I guess this partially explains Carleton's vote on the ouster of St. Thomas from the MIAC.
I was very impressed with the execution of the play by the Tommies; however, the timing of the play call by Coach Caruso(Ithaca '96) , not so much. +k to Oz for the contribution and good luck against Wheaton, I heard Coach Caruso has the time this week to draw up a 2 point conversion play for the Johnnies. ;D

My former teammate Glenn C is just misunderstood.  St. Thomas will be beating the Gophers 150-0 by 2030. 

In other news, the final top 25 is out for TOP.  Playoffs starting this Saturday.  A lot of talk about Grinnell sneaking into the top ten this week.  People are not happy to say the least. 

1      Claremont-M-S   
2   Eureka   
3   Merchant Marine   
4   Becker   
5   Randolph-Macon   
6   Brockport   
7   Grinnell   
8   Birmingham-So.   
9   Denison   
10   Chapman   
11   Springfield   
12   Geneva   
13   Franklin & Marshall   
14   Albright   
15   Martin Luther   
16   Texas Lutheran   
17   Husson   
-   Millikin   
19   Crown (MN)   
20   Olivet   
21   Mount Union   
22   Juniata   
23   Maryville (TN)   
24   WPI   
25   Saint Vincent

Machiavelli

Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 05, 2019, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Bartman on December 05, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 04, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Meh.  St Thomas has a well-earned reputation for crashing victory formations.  They even did it against Mount in one of their losing Staggs (is there any other kind of Stagg for UST?  Well, no, there isn't).  Heck, you feel slighted if UST doesn't play dirty or cheap against you.

But come back to this when one of the LL teams' coaches organises a victory-celebrating team photo on the opposition side's mid-field logo.  Or goes for a two-point conversion with a blind, behind-the-back flip of the ball against a team that they went on to beat 80-3.  When that happens then you've got someone to complain about.  Until then, amateur hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgle8ZJll4
Hmmm...hadn't seen this.... I guess this partially explains Carleton's vote on the ouster of St. Thomas from the MIAC.
I was very impressed with the execution of the play by the Tommies; however, the timing of the play call by Coach Caruso(Ithaca '96) , not so much. +k to Oz for the contribution and good luck against Wheaton, I heard Coach Caruso has the time this week to draw up a 2 point conversion play for the Johnnies. ;D

My former teammate Glenn C is just misunderstood.  St. Thomas will be beating the Gophers 150-0 by 2030. 

In other news, the final top 25 is out for TOP.  Playoffs starting this Saturday.  A lot of talk about Grinnell sneaking into the top ten this week.  People are not happy to say the least. 

1      Claremont-M-S   
2   Eureka   
3   Merchant Marine   
4   Becker   
5   Randolph-Macon   
6   Brockport   
7   Grinnell   
8   Birmingham-So.   
9   Denison   
10   Chapman   
11   Springfield   
12   Geneva   
13   Franklin & Marshall   
14   Albright   
15   Martin Luther   
16   Texas Lutheran   
17   Husson   
-   Millikin   
19   Crown (MN)   
20   Olivet   
21   Mount Union   
22   Juniata   
23   Maryville (TN)   
24   WPI   
25   Saint Vincent

Yo JU, due to my lack of intelligence, i'm hoping you can do me a favor and add any national rankings next to these teams. I'm curious to see how they match up. I'm quite sure the top TOP 10 has at least 7-8 in the top 10 easily being this is all just scientific facts of the utter importance of TOP. Not seeing Ithaca on here speaks volumes to me. Maybe they woulda been better with the backup afterall.

Oline89

Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 05, 2019, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Bartman on December 05, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 04, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Meh.  St Thomas has a well-earned reputation for crashing victory formations.  They even did it against Mount in one of their losing Staggs (is there any other kind of Stagg for UST?  Well, no, there isn't).  Heck, you feel slighted if UST doesn't play dirty or cheap against you.

But come back to this when one of the LL teams' coaches organises a victory-celebrating team photo on the opposition side's mid-field logo.  Or goes for a two-point conversion with a blind, behind-the-back flip of the ball against a team that they went on to beat 80-3.  When that happens then you've got someone to complain about.  Until then, amateur hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgle8ZJll4
Hmmm...hadn't seen this.... I guess this partially explains Carleton's vote on the ouster of St. Thomas from the MIAC.
I was very impressed with the execution of the play by the Tommies; however, the timing of the play call by Coach Caruso(Ithaca '96) , not so much. +k to Oz for the contribution and good luck against Wheaton, I heard Coach Caruso has the time this week to draw up a 2 point conversion play for the Johnnies. ;D

My former teammate Glenn C is just misunderstood.  St. Thomas will be beating the Gophers 150-0 by 2030. 

In other news, the final top 25 is out for TOP.  Playoffs starting this Saturday.  A lot of talk about Grinnell sneaking into the top ten this week.  People are not happy to say the least. 

1      Claremont-M-S   
2   Eureka   
3   Merchant Marine   
4   Becker   
5   Randolph-Macon   
6   Brockport   
7   Grinnell   
8   Birmingham-So.   
9   Denison   
10   Chapman   
11   Springfield   
12   Geneva   
13   Franklin & Marshall   
14   Albright   
15   Martin Luther   
16   Texas Lutheran   
17   Husson   
-   Millikin   
19   Crown (MN)   
20   Olivet   
21   Mount Union   
22   Juniata   
23   Maryville (TN)   
24   WPI   
25   Saint Vincent

Fascinating compilation.  Now I understand why Grinnell canceled the season after 3 games, near perfection achieved by being a top 10 TOP team while scoring grand total of 3 points.

MRMIKESMITH

Quote from: Machiavelli on December 05, 2019, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 05, 2019, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Bartman on December 05, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 04, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Meh.  St Thomas has a well-earned reputation for crashing victory formations.  They even did it against Mount in one of their losing Staggs (is there any other kind of Stagg for UST?  Well, no, there isn't).  Heck, you feel slighted if UST doesn't play dirty or cheap against you.

But come back to this when one of the LL teams' coaches organises a victory-celebrating team photo on the opposition side's mid-field logo.  Or goes for a two-point conversion with a blind, behind-the-back flip of the ball against a team that they went on to beat 80-3.  When that happens then you've got someone to complain about.  Until then, amateur hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgle8ZJll4
Hmmm...hadn't seen this.... I guess this partially explains Carleton's vote on the ouster of St. Thomas from the MIAC.
I was very impressed with the execution of the play by the Tommies; however, the timing of the play call by Coach Caruso(Ithaca '96) , not so much. +k to Oz for the contribution and good luck against Wheaton, I heard Coach Caruso has the time this week to draw up a 2 point conversion play for the Johnnies. ;D

My former teammate Glenn C is just misunderstood.  St. Thomas will be beating the Gophers 150-0 by 2030. 

In other news, the final top 25 is out for TOP.  Playoffs starting this Saturday.  A lot of talk about Grinnell sneaking into the top ten this week.  People are not happy to say the least. 

1      Claremont-M-S   
2   Eureka   
3   Merchant Marine   
4   Becker   
5   Randolph-Macon   
6   Brockport   
7   Grinnell   
8   Birmingham-So.   
9   Denison   
10   Chapman   
11   Springfield   
12   Geneva   
13   Franklin & Marshall   
14   Albright   
15   Martin Luther   
16   Texas Lutheran   
17   Husson   
-   Millikin   
19   Crown (MN)   
20   Olivet   
21   Mount Union   
22   Juniata   
23   Maryville (TN)   
24   WPI   
25   Saint Vincent

Yo JU, due to my lack of intelligence, i'm hoping you can do me a favor and add any national rankings next to these teams. I'm curious to see how they match up. I'm quite sure the top TOP 10 has at least 7-8 in the top 10 easily being this is all just scientific facts of the utter importance of TOP. Not seeing Ithaca on here speaks volumes to me. Maybe they woulda been better with the backup afterall.

Outside of those teams that are highlighted. The TOP discussion is almost a flip of the coin, I think looking at each of the 32 playoff teams ranking would be a more tale of the tape. Nevertheless, teams that control the ToP either run the ball very well and often (i.e. Springfield) or defense is top notch (i.e. Mount) or a combination of both (i.e. Brockport). Otherwise, the others simply don't have good offenses and turn the ball over often giving the opposing team more opportunities with the ball and defense can't get off the field and eventually the other team runs out clock often against them.

Jonny Utah

Quote from: Machiavelli on December 05, 2019, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on December 05, 2019, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: Bartman on December 05, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on December 04, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Meh.  St Thomas has a well-earned reputation for crashing victory formations.  They even did it against Mount in one of their losing Staggs (is there any other kind of Stagg for UST?  Well, no, there isn't).  Heck, you feel slighted if UST doesn't play dirty or cheap against you.

But come back to this when one of the LL teams' coaches organises a victory-celebrating team photo on the opposition side's mid-field logo.  Or goes for a two-point conversion with a blind, behind-the-back flip of the ball against a team that they went on to beat 80-3.  When that happens then you've got someone to complain about.  Until then, amateur hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwgle8ZJll4
Hmmm...hadn't seen this.... I guess this partially explains Carleton's vote on the ouster of St. Thomas from the MIAC.
I was very impressed with the execution of the play by the Tommies; however, the timing of the play call by Coach Caruso(Ithaca '96) , not so much. +k to Oz for the contribution and good luck against Wheaton, I heard Coach Caruso has the time this week to draw up a 2 point conversion play for the Johnnies. ;D

My former teammate Glenn C is just misunderstood.  St. Thomas will be beating the Gophers 150-0 by 2030. 

In other news, the final top 25 is out for TOP.  Playoffs starting this Saturday.  A lot of talk about Grinnell sneaking into the top ten this week.  People are not happy to say the least. 

1      Claremont-M-S   
2   Eureka   
3   Merchant Marine   
4   Becker   
5   Randolph-Macon   
6   Brockport   
7   Grinnell   
8   Birmingham-So.   
9   Denison   
10   Chapman   
11   Springfield   
12   Geneva   
13   Franklin & Marshall   
14   Albright   
15   Martin Luther   
16   Texas Lutheran   
17   Husson   
-   Millikin   
19   Crown (MN)   
20   Olivet   
21   Mount Union   
22   Juniata   
23   Maryville (TN)   
24   WPI   
25   Saint Vincent

Yo JU, due to my lack of intelligence, i'm hoping you can do me a favor and add any national rankings next to these teams. I'm curious to see how they match up. I'm quite sure the top TOP 10 has at least 7-8 in the top 10 easily being this is all just scientific facts of the utter importance of TOP. Not seeing Ithaca on here speaks volumes to me. Maybe they woulda been better with the backup afterall.

No worries.  I explain it slowly so even someone like you can understand.

Now there are some interesting things coming out of the two polls here.  On one hand Mount Union (former #1 in the d3 top 25) is ranked 21st in the Nation in TOP.  That is the highest ranking team in both polls.  Now Chapman is 10th in TOP and 12th in the poll, so that tells us something as well.  Bethel and St. Thomas are also in the TOP top 40.

Now here is where it gets interesting.  Mary Hardin Baylor is 219th in the country in TOP.  This is out of 245 d3 teams.  Berry, Central and Linfield are also in the bottom 75.  What will be interesting is if MHB wins the National Championship (not the real one, the one that uses points scored as the winner).  Their head coach will have a lot of explaining to do.  Is he cheating?  Are they using a different clock in Texas?  Things don't add up there and I'm going to get to the bottom of it.

FYI (d3 top 25 and then the TOP rankings)

1. Mount Union   (21)
2. MHB (219)
3. Wheaton (42)
4. Muhlenburg (93)
5. North Central (117)
6. Salisbury (57)
7. UW Whitewater (55)
8. St. Johns (158)
9. Del Val (46)
10. Wesley (161)
11. John Carroll (157)
12. Chapman (10)
13. Union (63)
14. St. Thomas (39)
15. Susquehanna (124)
16. Hardin-Simmons (87)
17. Redlands (35)
18. UW Oshkosh (154)
19  Bethel  (31)
20. Linfield (166)
21. Bridgewater (109)
22. Wartburg (101)
23. Berry (206)
24. Central (174)
25. UW Lacrosse (141)

Here you go MANDGSU....

Jonny Utah

Here is the top 25 in passing efficiency.  Reflects the top 25 a lot more:

1   Mount Union   12   345   247   2   4128   54   222.59
2   Salisbury   11   120   70   2   1461   16   201.27
3   North Central (IL)   12   385   269   3   4103   50   200.69
4   Hardin-Simmons   10   251   174   10   2818   31   196.42
5   Gust. Adolphus   10   334   230   13   3366   40   185.25
6   Saint John's (MN)   12   418   273   8   4451   43   184.88
7   Muhlenberg   12   352   232   4   3291   45   184.36
8   Trinity (CT)   9   195   117   11   2193   20   177.03
9   Linfield   10   422   294   9   3792   46   176.85
10   Merchant Marine   9   130   79   4   1488   10   176.15
11   Mary Hardin-Baylor   12   283   175   3   2661   32   176.02
12   Stevenson   11   333   225   8   3293   30   175.56
13   WPI   11   229   154   10   2482   18   175.50
14   Wheaton (IL)   12   342   217   8   3127   41   175.14
15   George Fox   10   182   111   3   1835   16   171.40
16   Ohio Northern   10   234   148   4   2054   26   170.23
17   Aurora   11   443   281   11   3621   57   169.59
18   MacMurray   10   314   198   13   2999   30   166.53
19   Central (IA)   12   399   262   16   3441   44   166.48
20   Wartburg   12   386   251   8   3261   40   166.04
21   Bethel (MN)   10   248   174   3   2209   16   163.85
22   Union (NY)   12   314   203   6   2816   26   163.49
23   Endicott   11   349   246   10   2710   34   162.13
24   Delaware Valley   12   332   206   8   2852   32   161.20
25   Heidelberg

14/25 teams here are in the top 25. 

Machiavelli

Having a really hard time digesting any of this. None of it seems to make any sense to me. How can such an important statistical category differ so much from Wins/Losses/Rankings? Something feels fishy. UMHB either needs to be investigated, or they should play the Mount Union transfer kid STAT! I think they may get a little uncomfortable knowing we're coming close to uncovering their truths.

Jonny Utah

Top Defenses as well:

1   Wheaton (IL)   12   770   2240   2.91   0   12   186.7
2   Delaware Valley   12   723   2432   3.36   0   17   202.7
3   Mary Hardin-Baylor   12   786   2717   3.46   0   13   226.4
4   Mount Union   12   690   2747   3.98   0   20   228.9
5   Hardin-Simmons   10   606   2307   3.81   0   18   230.7
6   Susquehanna   11   677   2575   3.80   0   21   234.1
7   Brockport   12   708   2833   4.00   0   28   236.1
8   John Carroll   10   651   2428   3.73   0   14   242.8
9   St. Thomas (MN)   10   596   2437   4.09   0   21   243.7
10   Muhlenberg   12   747   2988   4.00   0   15   249.0
11   Martin Luther   11   690   2791   4.04   0   32   253.7
12   Redlands   11   691   2795   4.04   0   22   254.1
13   Denison   10   600   2557   4.26   0   18   255.7
14   Montclair St.   10   624   2582   4.14   0   20   258.2
15   Alfred   10   656   2649   4.04   0   20   264.9
16   St. Norbert   9   548   2451   4.47   0   18   272.3
17   Wesley   12   781   3275   4.19   0   30   272.9
18   WPI   11   685   3057   4.46   0   22   277.9
19   Wittenberg   10   652   2784   4.27   0   24   278.4
20   Bethel (MN)   10   647   2787   4.31   0   19   278.7
21   Maryville (TN)   10   601   2805   4.67   0   29   280.5
22   Bridgewater (VA)   11   752   3100   4.12   0   18   281.8
23   Saint John's (MN)   12   791   3410   4.31   0   25   284.2
24   Williams   9   576   2559   4.44   0   13   284.3
25   Salisbury

Machiavelli

These passing efficiency and defensive stats hold no water. Wasted stats in my unintelligent opinion.

Jonny Utah

Ok Mach.  I may be onto something. 

BK baby.  Yup.  You heard it.  Blocked Kicks.

I'll spare you the details but currently 4 out of the top 25 teams in blocked kicks this year are in the d3 top 25.

The BK final four:

4. (tie) MHB 8 blocked kicks
4. (tie) Muhlenberg (8)
4. (tie) Wartburg (8)
15. (tie) Chapman (7)

Ithaca798891

Yeah, but Cortland had like, 13 blocked kicks this year, and not only did they lose the most-attended D-III game ever, their coach retired! These teams better stop blocking so many kicks or they might be tempting fate

Bartman

JU and Mach are trending towards the QED award of the LLPP handed out at the end of the season.....although, I think Frank Rossi has live film of fatiqued defenders coming off after a long drive that could influence the voters on a human level....... but the anlysis to this point is fairly convincing( please note I took very little time posting this in order to keep my TOP stats low)
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