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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Mount St Joseph have made it a game in the 2nd half... Franklin leads 31-28 with 6 minutes left
Anderson leads Hanover 31-28 in the 4th
Earlham had a 20-7 lead at halftime but Bluffton has taken the lead 21-20 in the 4th
RHIT up 28-12 at Defiance

anything can happen when MSJ throws the ball up to those WR's they have... unfortunately for them, they won't outscore many of the better teams with that defense. 
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Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Mount St Joseph have made it a game in the 2nd half... Franklin leads 31-28 with 6 minutes left
Anderson leads Hanover 31-28 in the 4th
Earlham had a 20-7 lead at halftime but Bluffton has taken the lead 21-20 in the 4th
RHIT up 28-12 at Defiance

anything can happen when MSJ throws the ball up to those WR's they have... unfortunately for them, they won't outscore many of the better teams with that defense.

The QB for MSJ was horrible in the first half but turned things around in the second.  MSJ might have been able to win had they had any passing attack in in the first.  I dont think they crossed the 50 more than once in the first half.  MSJ is much improved from last couple of years and the GRIZ are not as solid this year as they usually are (good but not great)
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Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 20, 2014, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 20, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 18, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Mount St Joseph have made it a game in the 2nd half... Franklin leads 31-28 with 6 minutes left
Anderson leads Hanover 31-28 in the 4th
Earlham had a 20-7 lead at halftime but Bluffton has taken the lead 21-20 in the 4th
RHIT up 28-12 at Defiance

anything can happen when MSJ throws the ball up to those WR's they have... unfortunately for them, they won't outscore many of the better teams with that defense.

The QB for MSJ was horrible in the first half but turned things around in the second.  MSJ might have been able to win had they had any passing attack in in the first.  I dont think they crossed the 50 more than once in the first half.  MSJ is much improved from last couple of years and the GRIZ are not as solid this year as they usually are (good but not great)

The Freshman QB is good, but thats the same team they've had the last 2 years.  What you saw was a result of Franklin not having West at QB -- I just don't believe Franklin is anywhere near where they've been the last few years.  And thats OK, its still good enough to win the HCAC.  I firmly believe Leonard is reloading -- this was THE year for a MSJ team to take advantage of that. 

Where do I sign up for my Franklin HCAC Champs shirt?  I'd like to wear one when I'm on the Ohio side ( I live out in Southeastern IN and the Delhi area is close.  You can smell it).
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Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
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West was rock solid but I still think he gets a little too much love.  Keep in mind the Griz had a first team All American at WR and 3-4 stud senior DBs last year.  This year Leonard is breaking in several new defensive lineman and LBs and our QB is solid but not dominant.  My observation is that FC is most vulnerable to the big play pass (which I am sure is evident on film).  I am sure Rose Hulman will try and expose this (line play as always will be difference maker).  I am hoping Wabash  stays unbeaten and the Griz get shipped to Crawfordsville later in Nov.

I can scrape up a t shirt if you really want one. (especially to annly your friend Sayer)

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Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
West was rock solid but I still think he gets a little too much love.  Keep in mind the Griz had a first team All American at WR and 3-4 stud senior DBs last year.  This year Leonard is breaking in several new defensive lineman and LBs and our QB is solid but not dominant.  My observation is that FC is most vulnerable to the big play pass (which I am sure is evident on film).  I am sure Rose Hulman will try and expose this (line play as always will be difference maker).  I am hoping Wabash  stays unbeaten and the Griz get shipped to Crawfordsville later in Nov.

I can scrape up a t shirt if you really want one. (especially to annly your friend Sayer)

Yeah, I don't think West's departure is the real problem.  Welp is averaging 8.8 yards per attempt, 293 yards per game, and has thrown 21 TD/5 INT; for comparison's sake, last year West had 7.1 YPA, 326 yards per game, 40 TD, 13 INT.  I'll grant that West's efficiency numbers would have taken a hit from playing some VERY good teams (Mount, Butler, UWW, plus the very sterling defense of WashU) but Welp has nearly as productive on a per-play, per-game basis, and the running game has been more productive than last year.  West was an outstanding player, but Franklin isn't struggling to win because of a lack of top-notch QB play; Welp has been outstanding in his own right.  The defense is a much bigger problem...last year in league play, the defense only allowed >20 points twice (and both of those were huge blowouts).  This year, everyone is scoring a couple of touchdowns on them.  So I agree that Franklin isn't anywhere near what they've been the last few years, but it's not because West is gone, it's because their defense is not as good as last year's defense, or even close.
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Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 21, 2014, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: GRIZ_BACKER on October 21, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
West was rock solid but I still think he gets a little too much love.  Keep in mind the Griz had a first team All American at WR and 3-4 stud senior DBs last year.  This year Leonard is breaking in several new defensive lineman and LBs and our QB is solid but not dominant.  My observation is that FC is most vulnerable to the big play pass (which I am sure is evident on film).  I am sure Rose Hulman will try and expose this (line play as always will be difference maker).  I am hoping Wabash  stays unbeaten and the Griz get shipped to Crawfordsville later in Nov.

I can scrape up a t shirt if you really want one. (especially to annly your friend Sayer)

Yeah, I don't think West's departure is the real problem.  Welp is averaging 8.8 yards per attempt, 293 yards per game, and has thrown 21 TD/5 INT; for comparison's sake, last year West had 7.1 YPA, 326 yards per game, 40 TD, 13 INT.  I'll grant that West's efficiency numbers would have taken a hit from playing some VERY good teams (Mount, Butler, UWW, plus the very sterling defense of WashU) but Welp has nearly as productive on a per-play, per-game basis, and the running game has been more productive than last year.  West was an outstanding player, but Franklin isn't struggling to win because of a lack of top-notch QB play; Welp has been outstanding in his own right.  The defense is a much bigger problem...last year in league play, the defense only allowed >20 points twice (and both of those were huge blowouts).  This year, everyone is scoring a couple of touchdowns on them.  So I agree that Franklin isn't anywhere near what they've been the last few years, but it's not because West is gone, it's because their defense is not as good as last year's defense, or even close.

Well said.  And if you asked the GRIZ head coach he would probably tell you the very same thing.  Johhny West had nothing to do with defense last year nor does Welp this year.  FC gives up too many big pass plays.  They are firaly stout against the run but most D3 teams are pass oriented.  They may get the ship righted before the season ends.  Lot of football to be played.  A likely 8-0 conference record and playoff appearance will be just fine.
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Adam Sayer

Wouldn't bother me. I was hoping MSJ would pull it out but I told Kevin they were a year or two away from actually being in a spot to compete and possibly win a playoff game....that's assuming they keep the young kids they have. Offensively, they rotate a Fr and So at QB, the RB is a So and 3 of their 5 OL are Fr or So and one of the backups is a kid from Moeller who is pretty good and a Fr. Their #3 WR who often plays in the slot is also a Fr. I don't know what they have defensively but they should be able to score points in the bunches if they can keep guys on campus and eligible.
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BTW, we are getting together to honor the 10-0 team at MSJ this weekend for homecoming. Hard to believe it's been ten years since I finished playing and the greatest team in MSJ history walked off the field. It took a comeback at Franklin to keep that undefeated season intact. Wellendorf caught a late TD in the back of the end zone to win it.
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Quote from: Adam Sayer on October 23, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
  if they can keep guys on campus and eligible.

ding - ding - ding

You should have capitalized "IF"  -- the next time would be the first. 

You and I know they aren't really trying to win playoff games.  They just got rid of one of the two teams on their schedule who have done it.
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Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
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With a 48-14 win, the Grizzlies are officially back in the playoffs for the 5th straight year. :)
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Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 04:23:22 PM
With a 48-14 win, the Grizzlies are officially back in the playoffs for the 5th straight year. :)

On the eve of what should be Bridge Bowl Week, this makes me very happy. 

The new goal in Delhi is to simply win the HCAC and treat a playoff game as a bonus.  So far they are 0-1 with the new, less than lofty goal. 

Not to mention, if they did make the Tournament with this philosophy, they'd embarrass the HCAC.  Thomas More totalled 64 or more points three times this year (and are back in the Top 25 this week), A game against MSJ would've been the 4th game over 64 in 2014.   

At least the actual Bridge Bowl trophy is permanently in the place it's supposed to be.
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Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

FCGrizzliesGrad

Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2014, 04:23:22 PM
With a 48-14 win, the Grizzlies are officially back in the playoffs for the 5th straight year. :)

On the eve of what should be Bridge Bowl Week, this makes me very happy. 

The new goal in Delhi is to simply win the HCAC and treat a playoff game as a bonus.  So far they are 0-1 with the new, less than lofty goal. 

Not to mention, if they did make the Tournament with this philosophy, they'd embarrass the HCAC.  Thomas More totalled 64 or more points three times this year (and are back in the Top 25 this week), A game against MSJ would've been the 4th game over 64 in 2014.   

At least the actual Bridge Bowl trophy is permanently in the place it's supposed to be.
While both Thomas More and MSJ went 8-2 this year... if I was putting a spread in the pickems for a Bridge Bowl game this week I'd probably set it somewhere around 3 TD. Possibly 24 or 25 if it was at Thomas More.
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Mr. Ypsi

Is there an Ohio River bridge that virtually connects the two campuses, or is Bridge Bowl a more generic name?

SaintsFAN

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Is there an Ohio River bridge that virtually connects the two campuses, or is Bridge Bowl a more generic name?
There are six Bridges which seperate the haves (TMC) from the have nots (MSJ) in the Cincinnati area.  The Bridge Bowl was just a funky, generic name given to a game between two first year programs in 1990.  The series was supposed to be a good one since both programs were brand new- it hasn't lived up to that billing as MSJ quit the series after the 1995 thrashing and renewed it in 2002 when they thought they were better equipped to play Thomas More.  After going 3-15 in the series, including 75-6 and 59-13 the past two seasons, MSJ has quit again. 

We'll wait until they get enough D1 transfers who go to class, thus making them eligible for more than just their 1st year, and maybe the MSJ assistant coaches who voted unanimously to quit the series, will vote to play Thomas More again.

Or maybe with the way they can't beat Franklin now, these same coaches will seek permission from HCAC Officials to end the series with Franklin, also?
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2

GRIZ_BACKER

Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 09, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Is there an Ohio River bridge that virtually connects the two campuses, or is Bridge Bowl a more generic name?
There are six Bridges which seperate the haves (TMC) from the have nots (MSJ) in the Cincinnati area.  The Bridge Bowl was just a funky, generic name given to a game between two first year programs in 1990.  The series was supposed to be a good one since both programs were brand new- it hasn't lived up to that billing as MSJ quit the series after the 1995 thrashing and renewed it in 2002 when they thought they were better equipped to play Thomas More.  After going 3-15 in the series, including 75-6 and 59-13 the past two seasons, MSJ has quit again. 

We'll wait until they get enough D1 transfers who go to class, thus making them eligible for more than just their 1st year, and maybe the MSJ assistant coaches who voted unanimously to quit the series, will vote to play Thomas More again.

Or maybe with the way they can't beat Franklin now, these same coaches will seek permission from HCAC Officials to end the series with Franklin, also?

nothing like a good dose of sarcasm and cynicism!!  carry on Saints fan.  Not a lot of excitement in the HCAC.  Hanover may want to join the Lions.  Maybe Hanover and MSJ can form a conference with Wilmington, Earlham, Muskingum, and the likes?  Wabash could quit the NCAC and avoid Witt?  ;D
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