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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective
« on: September 25, 2021, 04:57:36 pm »
Enormous win for John Carroll away at Chicago, scoring with 15 seconds left.  And apparently without Turritin who indeed must have been struggling with an injury in recent games.  At any rate, JCU really needed a result like this which gives them the major added bonus of a near-guaranteed additional ranked win.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective
« on: September 24, 2021, 08:30:35 pm »
While I'd love to throw my hat in the ring, I just have to be honest that I'm just too parochial with my following of the game at the moment. I think I could be dragged into a Mid-Atlantic fan poll, but I just don't have the bandwidth to be a fair arbiter of teams outside of the east coast.

I have the same problem. That's why i offered to organize, not vote!

I strongly object.  Both of you would be fantastic voters.  We all will have to do a little research, but you both are thoughtful, well-reasoned, and would want to be as fair as possible, etc.  You're here anyway!

No pressure...but I bet some others will agree.

Also want to go on record saying that I think this poll will very closely track with the D3soccer.com poll.

Finally, I understand the anonymity aspect but I personally wouldn't oppose seeing how everyone votes each week.  Might be fun, and fun to see whether folks tend to overrank or underrank their own faves.

I'm sad as I realize I'm typing this on a Friday night....but I'm only sad because I realize I really don't care.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective
« on: September 24, 2021, 09:50:54 am »
I'll give this one more go. If anyone is interested in doing a fan poll for D3 soccer let me know. Only got one taker last time.

Not exactly sure how this will work but willing to give it a go.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 Game Notes
« on: September 24, 2021, 09:48:12 am »
Not an Amherst fan, but still.........


AMHERST, Mass. Amherst College (4-1-0) blanked Saint Joseph's College (3-1-2), 3-0, in a non-conference men's soccer contest on Thursday afternoon.

Both teams entered the game ranked in the United Soccer Coaches Region I Poll, as Amherst is sixth and Saint Joseph's is seventh. One of the elite programs regionally and nationally, the Mammoths have participated in the NCAA Tournament in each of the last 14 seasons and advanced to the 'Sweet 16' 11 years in a row.

Senior Jack O'Brien (Milton, Mass.) scored in the 42nd minute and the Mammoths netted a pair in the second stanza as freshman Ben Clark-Eden (Littlehampton, U.K.) and junior Ignacio Cubeddu (Davie, Fla.) hit pay dirt to account for the final score.

Amherst held the lead in shots (27-3), shots on goal (14-0), and corner kicks (4-0) on the afternoon. SJC graduate student David Walbridge (Hampden, Mass.) made 11 saves in the setback.

As many of you know, I am a former St. Joe's parent (my son graduated) and what was painfully clear to me is that there is a huge gap between St. Joe's and most of the top Nescac teams like Amherst or Tufts.  St. Joe's will do well in their conference and may win it and get to the NCAA tournament, but they simply are not good enough to play and beat really good teams.  Some may debate whether Amherst is in that category, but after watching them impose their will on St. Joe's, I'm convinced.

ON, thanks for chiming in.  Those of us following along in New England for at least a few years know that St Joe's has emerged as a very good D3 program that has caused some damage in recent NCAA tourneys, and if iirc took Tufts to PKs.  I would have presumed a very tight match with Amherst likely pulling out a 1-0 or 2-1 win.  There are obviously any number of data points, but aside from Amherst's passing performance or lack thereof they obviously found a way to thoroughly overwhelm the Monks as reflected by the shot and corner stats.  Getting off 27 shots against a good opponent (and holding them to 3) means you are finding some way to get ahold of the ball and make something happen.  I was very surprised to see those stats after initially hearing about the game.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 Game Notes
« on: September 23, 2021, 11:05:23 pm »
Not an Amherst fan, but still.........


AMHERST, Mass. – Amherst College (4-1-0) blanked Saint Joseph's College (3-1-2), 3-0, in a non-conference men's soccer contest on Thursday afternoon.

Both teams entered the game ranked in the United Soccer Coaches Region I Poll, as Amherst is sixth and Saint Joseph's is seventh. One of the elite programs regionally and nationally, the Mammoths have participated in the NCAA Tournament in each of the last 14 seasons and advanced to the 'Sweet 16' 11 years in a row.

Senior Jack O'Brien (Milton, Mass.) scored in the 42nd minute and the Mammoths netted a pair in the second stanza as freshman Ben Clark-Eden (Littlehampton, U.K.) and junior Ignacio Cubeddu (Davie, Fla.) hit pay dirt to account for the final score.

Amherst held the lead in shots (27-3), shots on goal (14-0), and corner kicks (4-0) on the afternoon. SJC graduate student David Walbridge (Hampden, Mass.) made 11 saves in the setback.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 Game Notes
« on: September 23, 2021, 06:14:25 pm »
I'm exaggerating for effect, but back in the day a coach at a lower tier Centennial school told my mostly unrecruited kid that he could play 90 minutes at center mid, pick the rest of the starting XI, and decide the formation and style of play...and admissions offered 30K per year.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 Game Notes
« on: September 23, 2021, 06:08:16 pm »
LOL.

Hi Rick, nice to meet you...I'm Coach Lasso.  Gonna be honest with you.  We play kick and run, chase and dump, dump and chase, park the bus and the train, and "Send IT!"  We care about each other, though.  A lot.  And gosh darn, dagnabbit it, I already really care about you.  Here's a couple of meal vouchers for you and your Dad to visit Dining Services.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 Game Notes
« on: September 23, 2021, 12:15:03 pm »
SimpleCoach, yes, you are very ill and definitely need help.  Unfortunately, in the triage process you rate as far less in need of assistance than the great majority of us.

As for the possession thing, doesn't that have something to do with level of competition?  I recall when coaching my U10 teams outdoors and indoors that we passed and dazzled like crazy....IF the opponent was very inferior...and when the opponent was much better than us, we suddenly turned into a launch, hope, and pray squad (IF we could ever get ahold of the ball).  This is my resolution for many teams not being as possession-oriented as the coaches like to think without concluding that many are psychopathic liars.  Random example...watch Wittenberg versus Bluffton, and then Wittenberg versus OWU or Calvin.


@Paul Newman.  Yes, a big indicator is who they play, by all means.  That's why I really am trying to watch games between teams that may be even in terms of talent and ability.  Clearly in some instances I watched some bad games.  And would say that there are probably another 20 games that I watched that were so out of whack it just didn't add anything to the discussion.

Players do have a role in this, absolutely.  And I will say that yes, those elite level players that you see at Tufts, etc. are in limited supply.  But not everyone plays these teams.  Like I mentioned, I am trying to figure out how a team goes about being better.... not just in terms of how I like teams to play, but also how they can win.  And if there are ways in which a team does get better that doesn't require something that would be out of the realm of possibility.

Regarding the coaches, fair point.  Not sure I think they are psychopathic liars, but I do know in my sons case, and having watched these teams multiple times for the purpose of if I misunderstood or caught the "wrong" game.  I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt but the 5 I was talking about, it's not even close ..... Anyhow, my apologies.  Will accept negative karma with no ill will.

No criticism intended at all and will add a +k to clarify.  I was embellishing with "psychopathic liars" and totally understood points made by you and our Hopkins friend.  I too have marveled at basically every coach thinking or at least saying that they are all about "keeping the ball on the carpet."

And of course I was joking about mental well being.

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Men's soccer / Re: CCIW
« on: September 23, 2021, 12:05:50 pm »
Fishercats, your post above strikes me as absurdly good.  Excellent, succinct observations....capped off by very generous praise and then generous constructive feedback re: the broadcast.

I watched the last 25 or so minutes (after all the goals already scored).  During that span -- except for the last 60-75 seconds when NP nearly scored twice -- I thought Hope did a good job of disrupting NP before they could get serious possession and real threats going, often keeping NP backed into their own final third.  Your comment about the fouls fits for me as well.  Hope seemed more aggressive/physical, winning a significant majority of 50/50 and even 40/60 balls.  I didn't notice the subbing but your point there also seems salient especially given NP being described as 2-3 deep with very good to exceptional players at every position.

NP should be fine.  And my bet is that Calvin and Hope will be NCAA-tourney bound.  As I presume was expected, Brandt has elevated the Hope program back to prominence.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 Game Notes
« on: September 23, 2021, 11:53:42 am »
SimpleCoach, yes, you are very ill and definitely need help.  Unfortunately, in the triage process you rate as far less in need of assistance than the great majority of us.

As for the possession thing, doesn't that have something to do with level of competition?  I recall when coaching my U10 teams outdoors and indoors that we passed and dazzled like crazy....IF the opponent was very inferior...and when the opponent was much better than us, we suddenly turned into a launch, hope, and pray squad (IF we could ever get ahold of the ball).  This is my resolution for many teams not being as possession-oriented as the coaches like to think without concluding that many are psychopathic liars.  Random example...watch Wittenberg versus Bluffton, and then Wittenberg versus OWU or Calvin.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective
« on: September 22, 2021, 12:23:12 pm »
Why does the USC bother with polls?

MCLA, 1-4, and fresh off a 6-0 thrashing at the hands of......Husson, I'm guessing for the first time in the history of the program has jumped into the RV category.

And I hope F&M had some Dramamine before their free fall from #2 all the way down to #24 within a week after one loss.

Agreed...but MCLA(or North Adams State) were a decent program in the late 1970's and 1980's and made a couple of NCAA Final Four's in the 1970's. Admissions became much harder for athletics when the school switched "names" and raised standards. Men's Hockey was dumped in the early 2000's. The President wanted a different direction in the mid 1990's and looking back he was right because believe me the city of North Adams, MA has benefitted. Of course, Mass Moca and the mayor should be congratulated. Damn that mayor was a horse's ass but he bullied, pushed and prodded to use eminent domain as a threat or sadly a reality. MCLA also started purchasing more land, buildings, etc. Moving historical house after historical house to fit their every need. Sorry a little off track.

That is interesting.  I would have never guessed that MCLA (or North Adams State) had been anywhere near a Final Four even 50 years ago.

Look up Tony Crescitelli.  One of the greatest ever to play in D3.  He went to North Adams State.

LOL....I will look him up.  In my very weak defense, in the 70s I was on a tennis court somewhere in NC or another southern state or searching for crayfish (or golf balls) in a creek.  I could have never guessed I'd grow up to waste a ton of time on a D3 soccer website (although to be fair 'website' wasn't in my lexicon back then either).  I have the same reaction to North Adams State as when I hear someone reference Boston State or Metropolitan State College.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 Game Notes
« on: September 22, 2021, 11:24:44 am »
Just an fyi... Friday Christopher Newport at W&L.  Worth putting in the rotation.

Done.

A few classics for down the road.....Amherst vs Tufts, Cortland vs Oneonta, Chicago vs Rochester, NYU, or Emory, OWU vs Kenyon, Calvin vs Hope, Tufts vs Middlebury and/or Bowdoin, Hopkins vs F&M...

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective
« on: September 22, 2021, 11:21:12 am »
Easy for me to say, but as long as they don't come out flat I would not expect W&L to have too much trouble versus CNU.  I think CNU plays a style that allows goals.  I think the question for W&L will be whether they can get through Sweet 16 and/or Elite 8 games versus a Tufts, Amherst, Messiah, Calvin, Hopkins, Oneonta, Rochester, etc 1-0 or 2-1.

I wish W&L good fortune (as long as it's not at Kenyon's expense, which could happen).   Where W&L is at reminds me of where Kenyon was 2013-2019ish....knocking on the door and within a ball slipping under a defender's foot, a missed 2OT winner by a foot, a 109th minute very avoidable catastrophe, etc of reaching the Final Four.  The pressure to break through may be as big of an opponent as the formidable opponents themselves.  Anyway, I think Singleton has what it takes and I definitely could see W&L breaking through.

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective
« on: September 22, 2021, 10:08:20 am »
Why does the USC bother with polls?

MCLA, 1-4, and fresh off a 6-0 thrashing at the hands of......Husson, I'm guessing for the first time in the history of the program has jumped into the RV category.

And I hope F&M had some Dramamine before their free fall from #2 all the way down to #24 within a week after one loss.

Agreed...but MCLA(or North Adams State) were a decent program in the late 1970's and 1980's and made a couple of NCAA Final Four's in the 1970's. Admissions became much harder for athletics when the school switched "names" and raised standards. Men's Hockey was dumped in the early 2000's. The President wanted a different direction in the mid 1990's and looking back he was right because believe me the city of North Adams, MA has benefitted. Of course, Mass Moca and the mayor should be congratulated. Damn that mayor was a horse's ass but he bullied, pushed and prodded to use eminent domain as a threat or sadly a reality. MCLA also started purchasing more land, buildings, etc. Moving historical house after historical house to fit their every need. Sorry a little off track.

That is interesting.  I would have never guessed that MCLA (or North Adams State) had been anywhere near a Final Four even 50 years ago. 

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Men's soccer / Re: 2021 D3 Men's Soccer National Perspective
« on: September 22, 2021, 09:49:07 am »
I am curious as to why Amherst is either not in the top 25, or quite low in every poll (United Soccer Coaches, Massey,, this one). Didn't they return everyone from 2019, when they were in the final?

I don't have a stake in this, but I paid a fair amount of attention to Amherst as my son went through recruiting. I can't say whether they should be in the top 5 (or whatever) but I find it surprising that they are where they are.

Fair question, especially considering where Amherst finished 2019 and looking at a handful of teams above them (even in the D3 soccer poll) with a loss and a draw or two.  For instance, compare to Calvin which has held its ground/brand value so to speak with three blemishes, although one could retort that Calvin has played more games and thus far has played a tougher schedule.  The D3 poll consistently is by far the best (and imo most accurate) but even there no one should presume that whoever votes goes into a fine-grained analysis three levels deep.  And I truly do not get the hype over Massey.

All that said, you must be pleased about W&L as you seem to have more than a fleeting interest in that emergent powerhouse.  Imo, Centre getting to 2019 Final Four was a bit of a fluke, but I would love to see a W&L, F&M, Hopkins, Trinity, or the like break through and spoil the brackets for those who already had Tufts, Messiah, North Park, Amherst, Calvin, etc penciled in two months ago.

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